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What happened to Madeleine McCann?

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What happened to Madeleine McCann?

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From UFO's to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events you can turn back now. or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of IHEART radio. Aliu welcome back to the show. My name is Matt Miming Noel. They call me Ben we're as always with our super producer Paul Mission control decades most importantly you or you. You are here and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know hold your loved ones close for this one folks. This is a very dark Disturbing episode that we're diving into today. because. Today's show contains at times graphic descriptions of violence. It may not be suitable for all audience members. Listener discretion is advised like many of our most compelling. Show suggestions this when comes to us from a listener John in Long Beach John says what's up guys big Fan of your podcast been listening for a year. Now only realized that the album logo has six fingers like a week ago. Hey. Off I know we're waiting for John Get it. Good on you John he continues. Anyway I was wondering if you guys do a podcast on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann I only just heard about it. When a friend told me, he just saw documentary on it. Thanks guys have a great week. Thanks for writing John. Yeah. This is referring to a case in two thousand, seven, a British-born three year old name Madeleine McCann disappeared while on vacation whereas they would say in the UK on holiday with her family in. Portugal the case made national headlines Authorities in. Different. Countries conducted multiple investigations and for more than a decade, they found no solid leads. So, what happened here are the facts Madeleine McCann was born on May twelfth two, thousand and three in Leicester England her parents were Gerry and Kate McCann they were married in nineteen, ninety eight, both of them worked in the medical profession. Kate became a general practitioner after studying at University of Dundee and was working part time while also taking care of she and her husband's children, Jerry was working as a consultant cardiologists in addition to Madeleine. Who was the oldest The couple also has twins born in two, thousand and five. And in two thousand, seven, the family you know they're working hard they're supporting their kids they decided to go on holiday as you do they went to a place called the ocean club resort in Praia deludes in Portugal and there they rented an apartment at the Ocean Club resort and I'm guessing this is like you know I. kind of a sweet kind of situation. I mean fancier hotel right? Well, I pulled. Pulled some you know I'm going to give a reluctant shout out to the Sun I know I've given it a hard time. These show in past episodes but they have a graphic layout of the apartment that the mccanns were residing in during this vacation and it's very helpful is you listen along today to have that up so you can see the positions of where the rooms the windows in the entrances and exits of this place were. But yeah, think of like an almost like an extended stay apartment. Yeah and if you you can go to BBC and find an overview picture of this whole area. So if you have those two pictures up where you can see where all the places we're GonNa talk about are, and then actually into the thing I think you're in a good spot. So, let's go to the night of the disappearance. On the third of May, two, thousand, seven, the mccanns, the parents met a group of seven friends at a Tapas restaurant in the resort complex. This was not very far from their apartment at all. It was about one, hundred, eighty feet or fifty five meters. So the reason that's important is it means you could easily walk back to that apartment and back to the restaurant without you know it would take hardly anytime at all. It's basically just walking across the pool area is and then you're at the top is far. It's literally that close. So Madeleine and her younger brother and sister were those are the fraternal twins they were staying in the apartment they were sleeping or they were supposed to be sleeping keep in mind. These are very young kids. They'd probably poop from day vacation. In fact, the parents it noted earlier that the children seemed very tired. So around eight thirty, pm. Sent to bed the mccanns in their friends are responsible good parents. They created a rotational system that the used to check in on the kids. So every twenty or thirty minutes, it's someone's turned go. Look in on the kids not wake them up or anything like that. Just make sure they're okay. Kate McCann's turn comes up around ten PM she walks over to the apartment. Support to note, they had locked the front door of the apartment, but it had a back patio door sliding patio door and that they left unlocked. So they could easily slide the door open or closed without waking up the kids. So Kate McCann. Looked in on the room where Madeleine and the two twins are supposed to be sleeping. She notices that the window to this room is open. The shutters have been pulled up. Madeleine. McCann has disappeared. The authorities are immediately alerted and the resort staff, the local police, other guests of the resort. Search all night for Madeline until daybreak and they fine nothing the I can't even imagine that sinking feeling of you know and just the. How to accept that and just the way your mind must spin when we were looking at this story I just kept putting myself in that position. You know being a datum. Sure. You could understand that feeling as well. Only not really just even the hint of it is almost more than you can even kinda comprehend but yeah, they they alerted the authorities. Right, away police, the resort staff and other guests essentially formed a search party. Looking for Madeleine until dawn. But they found nothing. in less than twenty four hours the Mccann family held a press conference and I believe there's a sixty minutes Australia piece on this that has some of the footage from at least one of the multiple public appeals for help that the McCann family eventually did. Over the course of the following few days, hundreds of volunteers joined the search party authorities at the border are were put on high alert staff at the nearby airport was told to watch for the child. And then on. May. Twelfth. The authorities in Portugal. Publicly. Stated that they believe that Madeleine had been abducted but silver lining was live and somewhere still in the country. Yeah. or at least they believed right because there was no way to verify it. Then twenty three days after the initial. Abduction or the disappearance on May twenty sixth the authorities there released description of a man who was at that point on identified and he had a couple descriptors. He was a blonde in hair. He appeared to have acne and he was seeing that night on May third two, thousand seven around the area and it was believed that he was possibly carrying a child or at least carrying something that could be confused for a child. In this description was based on a friend of the mccanns. Who gave it to the authorities spurs his name was Jane Tanner. She was one of the people who was attending that Tapas restaurant with them on the night that Madeleine disappeared and let's let's exist in the present tense here as the search continues speculation abounds taking multiple forms. There are ongoing official investigations, but remember this disappearance occurs in the age of the Internet, that means there are increasingly amateur sleuths getting involved theories some more plausible than others spread across the media and across the web sore question. Today. Again what happened to Madeleine? McCann cheers where it gets crazy. I things are going wrong with the investigation from the jump. There are fundamental problems with the crime scene in June the Portuguese police note that the scene was not properly protected. So they may have lost vital forensic clues there. You'll also see contemporaneous reports of blood being discovered in small amounts or of sniffer dogs reacting to Kate McCann in particular, and this is something that the red meat chasing tabloids latch onto immediately in July British police have canine squad, inspect the vacation apartment there at the resort as well. As the rental car the mccanns used and they get buckets no leads fast forward to August. It's now been one hundred days since the disappearance and for the first time, the officials heading these investigations acknowledged that Madeleine McCann may not be found alive and over the years since this disappearance in two thousand, seven numerous individuals and groups have proposed multiple possible explanations. We've categorized the most prevalent, the most prominent but we do have to say again, they run the gamut of plausibility and some of these theories are. Careful. Not to inject my opinion often at some of these theories are to my mind offensive because we have to remember these are real people in this is a real three year old child. Yeah. The hundred percent So I guess we should start at the beginning The first one that has definitely made the rounds and his reference pretty extensively in this twenty nineteen netflix documentary, which you know I in my mind is a little on the exploitation of side There was a lot of discussion of sex trafficking. Initially, it was believed by some authorities in particular in Portugal that Madeleine McCann had been abducted to be sold into a sex trafficking ring at private investigator named Julian Perry Bernez noted that. These kinds of duchesne's for. This exact purpose have happened in the past Also, he noted the profit motive. He was quoted in saying the value that Madeleine had was really high. If they took her, it's because they were going to get a lot of money. Wow. Okay. That's a very. Straightforward way of saying something quite horrible. Unfortunately this theory is plausible. It certainly is a thing abduction for sex trafficking purposes to basically sell people into human beings children into sexual bondage. Slavery is a very, very real thing There have also been some other theories along these lines according to the Telegraph. an unusually high number of assaults on young girls had taken place in the area. Specifically, the report found a quote police identified nine sexual assaults and three near misses on British girls aged between six to twelve in the three years before Madeleine went missing in one case from two, thousand, five or ten year old girl was assaulted in an apartment they're close to the spot where Madeleine vanished. And you know that's A. That's a troubling thing to know, and it's probably one of those things that wouldn't be broadcast out to people who are thinking about going on holiday there specifically in that resort or in that area in. It's pretty disturbing just to know that that kind of thing was happening, but that's not the only theory. Another concept was brought word that perhaps this was just some form of burglary that had gone wrong. Because remember, this is a place for vacationing people who are they're probably carrying cash a lot of people carry. Paper money of one sort or another. Even if you're in a different country, you're gonNA take some cash and get it transferred over to the correct currency. When you're there, it's just easier to to go that way rather than trying to use a credit card or something like that. So, what if somebody was just attempting to break into the apartment to? Take that money or take some valuables in there, but then came across. Madeline. and. If this were true, would assume that at least some valuables. There within the apartment would have been taken however, it didn't seem to be anything missing from the apartment besides madeline. Yes that's an argument against the burglar I WANNA, go back to the idea that you mentioned about the. about how to how the public is not informed about these higher rates of disappearances and attacks that's going to be important later in the story but to the point of a burglary gone wrong. Yeah I it seems odd that they if they were doing a snatch and grab before valuables, it seems odd that they left some stuff in the apartment and also why would you just why would you just walk out with? A young girl if you're there to steal valuables, right unless it was linked back to what knowle's is talking about you then sell that girl. It makes no sense and so the kids were just fast asleep and untouched. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's why again that's why I'm saying a dot when does not seem to add up. This leads us to something else the wander away theory which was popular for a while or you know pretty the US propagated for awhile. It's the idea that the child could have wandered out on her own while she was unsupervised maybe to explore the vacation area to check out the nearby water, and then after leaving the apartment, she could have drowned perhaps or she could have been tragically struck. By, a vehicle nearby roads in a hit and run. This sort of stuff has occurred in the past but it raises multiple important questions. The patio door was closed. Remember. That's how Kate McCann found found that her child was missing. So how would a three-year-old managed to close those pretty heavy sliding patio doors behind her that are also pretty tall for her to reach and then wouldn a body? Or evidence of an accident have been found if the if especially were hit and run this, this is why people went through those three theories pretty quickly and we're getting we're getting to the part I wanted to warn everybody about earlier, which is the possibly offensive theories. One of the most emotionally heroin aspects of a case like this is something that a lot of true crime. Docu series never bother investigating. It's that the parents have to also be investigated by the police imagine how difficult difficult doesn't even cover it imagine how horrific? It is how indescribably painful to be searching desperately for your child while at the same time being interrogated about their disappearance as a suspect and there were numerous theories here about this started. Almost immediately after police got involved in Portugal. Procedure. It's standard operating procedure to eliminate all suspects and that starts with the people that were the closest and but it's just I can't even imagine you're going through all of this stuff in your head and asking all these questions and then you're even the intimation of being you know a suspect would just be so shattering but that's what happened in September of. Two Thousand Seven, the Portuguese police interviewed Kate McCann as a witness in the case the next day they labeled the couple suspects I think the Portuguese word for that is our guidos span is that how you pronounce that well I don't speak Portuguese, but you're correct that's just the that's just the specific term in that language that they use for suspects of. But. To your point they didn't. They didn't lock the mccanns up nor they'd they detain them eventually they allowed the couple and their twins to return to the UK just a few days later a few days after that prosecutors said, there was no new evidence to justify re questioning the mccanns which I think is a good move because imagine how traumatic that would be to fly back. To have to talk about that again, you know in this setting. It's certainly not a good pr. Look can say that to be sure. Yeah. I would just jump back to the thing really quickly that that is under Portuguese law very specific thing they get labeled on people almost always right before they are taken in as the primary suspect basically to prepare to be charged for something that be the equivalent of like person of interest it's not necessarily they're not being accused yet but they're I mean I guess persons of interest and suspect to the same thing for some reason you hear them used not always interchangeably according to an expert from the Guardian. Ally expert there the quote is if you are in our Guido, they have to have suspicion that a crime has been committed by that person. So the authorities. Believe that you had something to do with a guy. Yeah. Because there is a difference, a person of interest to someone they just WanNa talk to a suspect that someone they believe might actually have been involved in the crime. That's how I would understand it. So you can see why this group of theories may sound offensive, but it is important to mention them here as we flesh. Out. The full scope of thought on the events. So back to the traffic, bring up, people began to say what if the parents somehow sold their own child to a trafficking ring and then just faked the disappearance there too big problems with that first off this would require extraordinary almost impossible level of dedication and acting on the part of the parents for years and years and years. More. mmediately wore brass tacks subsequent investigations to to prove something like this would have a very high likelihood of discovering any anomalous financial transactions and it's also one of the most monstrous things you can imagine someone doing and. Yeah just that alone. Feels it just feels so wrong and. To, make an accusation like that. You would need some pretty damning proof. It's it's that's a rough idea. But. But that's not. All right. Right. Yeah. There's the idea that. They were responsible for their daughter's death. Not, through a design, but through accident and subsequent panic. Yes. There are two authors, Anthony Summers and Robin Swann who? Have argued that the authorities believed or suspected that the mccanns possibly gave some kind of drug to in in an attempt to get her to go to sleep essentially so they could go the street and hang out with their friends. This would certainly not be. The only time that's ever happened in the history of the world, it's been a pretty common practice to give children a tiny amount of alcohol or. Maybe, a tiny amount of cough syrup or something that has sleepy effect essentially to help their children go to sleep if they're having trouble sleeping. That is by no means. An out there. I don't know even an accusation of something entirely wrong really. But the idea here is that the mccanns gave madeline way too much essentially. Despite their medical expertise, right? Yeah, right. Doesn't seem to add up. There's a Portuguese police officer who supported this theory he went so far as to release a book and a TV DOC on the subject. That the so the concept there, I have not actually watched that doc or read his specific book What is it going? Carlo immoral? Sounds like a real stand-up guy he is a disgraced police officer by the way. So this one of his his large lines of business is actually this went to court. In Twenty, two, thousand, nine, the mccanns started taking legal action against. His you know his work because it's incredibly insulting and defamatory right? If it can't be proven and Twenty Fifteen Portuguese court agreed, and then later he appealed the decision because the court had awarded them four, hundred, fifty, thousand, the equivalent of four hundred fifty thousand British pounds in damages. But I think that's still ongoing the this is interesting because I I thought you know all these people vultures who are. Trying to make a quick buck off of an unspeakable disaster. And, then you do see do see things that at least proponents of these kind of theories consider to be strong circumstantial proof. Unfortunately, it's something that POPs up a lot of cases with parents and disappeared children they would say, oh, this mom or this dad in this situation they focused on Kate McCann said, you know she doesn't seem as fraught as upset as emotionally. Damaged as she should be these people, say you know in my mind? And that's where this kind of armchair sleuthing can get dangerous. But there was one interesting quantitative thing that I've found the is a fact. In the initial interview, she was asked forty nine questions over a long course of time and she answered only one. I got also a full list of the forty eight questions You can find that online at the TAB DOT com. Just look for McCain Forty, eight questions, the TAB and they don't seem like. A lot of them seem like maybe relatively innocuous questions I I would want you guys take on the they didn't seem particularly loaded. They were asking about process order of operations and maybe it's just difficult to answer those questions. Yeah. I mean it's stuff like did you search inside the master bedroom wardrobe questions about things being out of place like why was the curtain by the Sofa near the side window tampered with to someone go behind the SOFA. So Ben, when you say she didn't answer them like she likes said I I reserve my right to not answer this question like she exercises her. Right to not what order should you said I don't recall or something like I don't understand. Will you gotta remember she is at this point. No matter what happened she is under a tremendous amount of stress and she is being looked at. As a suspect essentially by these authorities that are asking her these questions. It's a pickle of a situation to be in was like every attorney would tell you I'm not giving you legal advice here as Matt Frederick. But most attorneys would tell you reserve your right to not say anything. Every being asked questions by police. I am that makes sense shown point to that is your daughter's missing and these authorities are trying to help you find your daughter. Well, she said at some point that she didn't answer the questions because she thought that them questioning her was distracting them from actually looking for the real culprit, which is a little bit of an odd way of looking at it. You know you'd think she'd be as cooperative as possible so they could move on but again, I'm sure there's some resentment there. Why are you even bothering with me but against all procedural Daughter get abducted. You know under your watch essentially. And why do you Guys Care About the Sofa in my vacation apartment when there's a missing kid out there also again, how tremendously unfair and stressful it is to be tried in the Court of public opinion which trends misogynistic, right let's just be honest about that. You can't look at someone and say that they the way they appear to be experiencing grief is not satisfactory to you some stranger who's never met the person and also it came out later that. They had been advised by various parties not to not to show a ton of emotion like try not to weep in public interviews and so on. Because again, the tabloids will grab it. There are there more out there theories and theories. I try pretty. Feel like I can't say assiduously anymore I tried really hard to to. Find. Any kind of possible proof or logic for some of these very out there once, and I only found a little bit for one. But there are three really out there once and we'll get to those theories after word from our sponsor. Did. 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Don't know if you guys heard about this the secret discovery the idea here is that Madeleine McCann was found was found safe and alive, but the discovery was kept secret because the argument goes. By the time she had been found, there have been so much media scrutiny and her picture was plastic plastered everywhere in public that she would never be able to live a normal life under her previous identity. Therefore, Madeleine McCann is not found, but another girl is that just doesn't seem very likely. Yeah off mic, Ben. You're talking about how these are so out there and also borderline offensive that we're not gonNA spend too much time on them but here they are. They definitely are things that have been discussed. Be It on the Internet and some of the reporting and potentially even in certain circles of law enforcement the notion that there never was a madeleine mcadam that Madeleine McCann an. was some sort of a abstraction made up by the British government. To distract from other news stories to be some kind of red herring During I don't know potentially a a bad news cycle or designed to help raise funds that ultimately would be diverted to the government Okay I retract my previous assessment that this could have been discussed within law enforcement collecting this largely a fringy. You know when there's a vacuum of information, weird stuff tends to fill it. So this is not something that's being taken seriously by the vast majority of people even a little bit familiar with this case, and we'll just go ahead and caveat it and saying that the existence of Malan mcadam is absurdly well documented. There are numerous pictures of the. Child. With. Her family with siblings, numerous accounts and people who knew her and met her spent time with their for this theory to be true the mccanns themselves who had to have been so complicit in the deepest. And most well executed cover-ups we've ever been privy to and that would have taken probably decades that have been planned. You know the the all of the pieces would have had to be laid out meticulously and this is not make any sense whatsoever. By questions we wear as this being circulated like I did just it's wild. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is part of the online echo chamber. So we're talking about armchair investigators maybe on twitter true crime forums or Peyton read it's like that. It's it's strange though because one of the theories that. I, think you're right. We can dismiss the idea that there was somehow never madeline but I think there's a little more sand to the theory that there was corruption in Portugal at the time that Portuguese authorities had some sort of alterior motive in treating the parents as suspects or pushing that narrative. People were arguing that their. Treatment of the mccanns went beyond standard operating procedure and that they were in fact, trying to frame them to your point Matt in an effort to save that tourism industry. This I don't know. This is an interesting out of the three. This has more proof he has been. This is a theory that. Can have sand to it at sometimes just because of the basic facts that exist about certain locations and the economy there that's based on tourism. It comes this one in particular comes from a man named Brian Kennedy who was a businessman from Edinburgh he says, you can understand how the mood of public opinion would go from sympathy to vilification. In. Essentially that the Portugal authorities decided, let's find somebody to blame for this that doesn't make us look bad. He says I think it's all tied into tourism industry and tourism being down in the country's GDP. It is true that. Like you said, a lot of places, tourism is so vital that the money coming in from out of country out of state out of town is the only thing that makes the the wheels spin there I. Don't see that being a reason to want to frame a family for hurting their child though. Yeah. That's. That's all. That's you know that's even that's less of a theory or conspiracy about the actual events. Then it is a theory or conspiracy about the behaviour of the authorities afterwards. Right Yeah. But it is a conspiracy about not wanting to have a dangerous person or not wanting to admit that there's some dangerous person that exists around this high dollar Tourism Area Because then you know who in their right mind is going to take their child and themselves on vacation there. Yeah. I guess it's maybe the equivalent of like if a murderer took place in a house, you know the real estate agents lying about it or covering it up because it's not necessarily something would jump at the chance to live in the murder house. Yeah I mean not everybody at least some people it might be a feature you know right? Right some. Extra. Yeah but the. The interesting part about that point too is that this is a wealthy area there. You can look now and see normal homes being constructed. So. It does you can see the internal logic there but none of these theories the three we just explored have garnered much support primarily because none of them have generated much evidence in support of what they're proposing. However, this is where we get to the idea of predators in wait. We mentioned reports of some mysterious figures. But in two thousand, seventeen, the Telegraph I gave an official stance to these long standing rumors that Madeleine McCann may have been abducted on the order of an unknown wealthy childless couple. So not some crazed killer, not some cover up of an accident, but someone hunting child on the orders of someone else, and that's because. After. The disappearance witnesses we're coming forward saying now that I think about it now that I recall. I may have seen suspicious individuals hanging out at the resort in the days leading up to the event. It's got some pros and cons. Pro. Any lead is helpful at this point when these folks are coming forward con, they don't have. A lot of cases there have camera footage of this or something. They just have their memory and memory is one of the worst witnesses in human experience. But. But the idea here is that there may have been an operation involving multiple people some acting as spotters and to put a brutal fine point on it. In this theory, the idea is that. People. Were waiting for a child of maybe a certain ethnicity maybe a certain hair color or appearance a certain age, and then they waited till they found someone who fit those specifications that's chilling if that happens and there was one report that was followed up on. which was a report of a couple right an unidentified couple. That's right. This report of an unidentified couple seems to have been substantiated. The idea that these were something as spotters which would be People. Complicit in the child sex trafficking ring or in trade I don't know what the Hell you WanNa call it But this is a job people searching for a child who met the particular requirements of of what was being sought. Whether that be race or age or hair-color God only knows. And this report of this unidentified couple like I said does seems to have been substantiated couple later came forward and thought one citing may have been them. As they were walking in the area but upon further investigation, they had nothing to do with the case so. We should get back on track to that Tanner report a single unidentified man I believe blonde with acne. Descriptions early carrying a child. But as we know at the end of the day, predators are opportunists. So this notion of a Predator kind of lying in wait looking for that perfect moment to spring into action. That seems to be pretty plausible considering that there appears to have been a high number of sexual predators in the area at that time and sure you know like in any resort area which often. are in poorer parts of the world you know where they're the people that actually live. There aren't particularly wealthy would never actually stay in the resort. So there certainly is kind of a have and have not mentality and it makes sense to break ins and thefts would be relatively comment but this idea of a loan predator, really didn't seem to go anywhere until. Very recently this year in fact yes. One last time going back to that report that Jane Tanner Friend of the mccanns made about one person carrying a child. Did that actually have any weight to it? Maybe she saw something and maybe the authorities should have paid more attention to it at the time. We'll tell you all about it right after a word from our sponsor. You. Damn with black hair you down with the shing the prison industrial complex you down with puppies who is it with puppy? You'd be surprised. We're the comedy group Obama's other daughters and we're inviting you to come kick it with us on our podcast called you don. We're bringing you the same fun vibe we serve during our Improv shows in La only in podcast. Check in with us as we discussed everything going on in the culture and have the nerve to give our expert opinions to a lucky listener whether it's embarrassing hair stories or comedy fails he might even talk about goes. Listen to you now on the iheartradio. APP. 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And, there is a new turn of events in the case of Madeleine Macken recent revelations, which unfortunately didn't have to be as recent as they are after years and years. Again, a decade plus fruitless investigation authorities believe that they have discovered the abductor of Madeleine McCann. The suspect is a German man who is originally being referred to as Christian be we know now his full name is Christian Bruckner he is I must note not to be confused with a another Christian Brooker who is apparently a famous voice actor in Germany Which I was not aware of, but this Christian Bruckner. He spent his. ENTIRE ADULT LIFE BEING Being the worst person, a small time, criminal an absolute sleazebag. He would travel back and forth between Portugal and Germany often in an attempt to escape the consequences of one of his many crimes which began in his teenage years when he When he sexually assaulted someone. He was on the run for his sexual abuse of children for forgery for driving without a license for petty theft for drug dealing his former associates who are one of the main reasons that authorities caught onto him. His former associates described him as one of those kind of resort burglars he was known for Breaking in through the windows of first floor apartments and he did not directly get caught. Or you know he did not directly implicated in the McCann case for a long long time, which is chilling it's chilling and his most serious crime is a real doozy. Hard. Even say aloud he. Is. Known. To have raped a seventy two year old American woman on. September. Second two, thousand, five the victim tortured her yeah. He beat her with a metal rod after binding her presumably raping her and he you know the police report indicated that she had been beaten around the chest and legs and buttocks was horribly bruised thankfully she she left with her life but Yeah. She'd been staying in an apartment that was along the daily route between Brookner's house and the beach that he visited every day and yeah, I mean these these there's there's more details that we have here really steal yourselves folks these are quite disturbing. So we know that this, this person was you know their apartment was long daily route. Between Brookner's housing to be chief visited every day. One night's the night of September second around ten thirty pm he enters through this person's front door, which is locked because this is supposed to be relatively safe neighborhood. He dragged her through the building as you said, Noll, he boundary tighter down. beater which has been with what has been described as a metal rod, but also a Scimitar which might be a translation error there. He did assaulter. And torture her after which he. Dragged her forcibly into the kitchen of the. And he forced her to give him cash that she had on her person and he made off with her computer. She survived thankfully and Portuguese authorities investigated this case but they closed their investigation a year later in two thousand and six and Bruckner. WAS NOT. Brooker almost got away with this. He pretty much did no-one no-one knew about his association and then he started bragging to his criminal friends about it in the the. I don't know what you call it the world of thievery. The his his fellow thieves. His. The people who would who would squat on properties with him and then help the in their mind. Bruckner was asleep bag with a big mouth. But he would help them come up with schemes to steal stuff like really small time stuff like stealing gasoline stealing diesel I didn't know that was a thing that anybody other than like large oil companies did I didn't know it was like. A micro economic crime as well. So Bruckner is talking with these associates of his and he. Discloses that while he was conducting this horrific assault, he filmed it. So that he could view it recreationally later, and this is a step too far. Imagine you're one of those other. Probably not a profile, but you're probably kind of a sleazebag to. And you say, Hey, I thought we were just stealing stuff to get drug money or something. It's a step too far for me to be part of your. Violent sex crimes that are on Phil and that compels these people. That compels them to go to the authorities which we have to say. If they had not done. So we have no idea how the next series of events would have played out. Right and been. Didn't weren't there internet posts that he had made or some kind of journaling that had done talking about his kind of escalating fantasies about abducting and using someone a child even for sex those were alleged I actually seen the files themselves. They were alleged chat room log right? Right that he had done where you talked about capturing something little in keeping it for a while And there is an interesting point made in that sixty minutes piece on the the Australian sixty minutes where one of the investigators said that it could be argued that will the Mo for this guy was old women. But honestly, the IMO for this guy was just helpless helplessness and being able to take someone and and have them bend to his will, and so it's really honestly the same having a child or having a helpless elderly woman. This as awful as that sounds, it really does fit the same Emma. So the purported statements made by Bruckner online were found in dedicated. Pro Child Abuse Forums on on the dark web and again to your point Matt I don't think they have one hundred percent proof that he did that but they're Straw it's strongly suspected that he was the author. You can hear the re-creations of that on sixty minutes on the Australian sixty minutes, which is a bit exploitative, but it is important information because if one hundred percent confirm to be this guy than we see also. Evidence. Of Premeditation right of a plan, an escalation and it is it is pretty sickening. It's also. Not The first time again that this guy has been implicated in the these sorts of villainous unclean behaviors, there was a documentary macgyver I know a lot of us are familiar with the recent netflix documentary, but there was another documentary about missing very young girl a five year old named engaged. Garrick. From? Germany? She vanished from German campsite eight years after McCann disappeared and the documentary appears to implicate. Bruckner. He was investigated for the disappearance of this child. If the ground twenty, sixteen and. They ultimately did not charge him with kidnapping or with homicide or anything like that. But they they found things that were much much worse the kind of things that. If I were an investigator I think if anyone was an investigator, there would be the kind of things that that haunt you. For years. Afterwards Yeah and Then, if it was a movie, one of those officers who just couldn't handle it. would. Just end up putting that guy in A. Shallow, grave somewhere. That's Where that's where my mind started to go ago saying when I was spiraling out thinking about this, you know and obviously, I mean the parents are following all this in the news. They know this guy's a suspect they know roughly what the public knows what we have access to. I would just go I would lose my mind I would I would fly into a murderous rage I just don't know and just to note here, this documentary were discussing right now within there're apparently our friends of Bruckner who were speaking with the documentary filmmakers. They said that he would often brag about this very specific vehicle, a large camper van and how it was ideal for quote, hiding kids and drugs, and within this camper authorities found stashes of. Little Girl. Swimsuits. And Thousands of images of children in sexual situations. And this was when they were investigating Brookner specifically for Inga's disappearance that we were speaking about before 2016, a completely separate child. and. You also we should. To say it we? Have to be. Accurate an explicit here. This is this is child pornography. Yes I didn't. Around that is just A. I wanted to say without saying well, is there a sense? I mean. Maybe we'll get there I know there's another. Big Term. Twist coming soon, I guess. But was there a sense? Any of these were images that he himself had created? Or? Time okay okay. Yeah, we don't know at this time this Lisa thankfully legal consequences as of twenty, one, thousand, nine, hundred. Well Twenty twenty right now, bruckner is held in a German prison is held on charges unrelated to the McKEN case. So, let's start putting some of the sinister pieces of this puzzle together. He traveled often between Germany Spain and Portugal. During. Two Thousand, seven, the time of the McCann disappearance he had been living in this area prior Dan Lewis as a waiter or Barman which I assume as a bartender in various pubs. Right and he was also constantly by his own admission on the watch for opportunities to steal from tourists bragging to his associates about how great is van was how was a safe spot? He would talk when he was in his cups about the idea. Of selling children in Morocco know how much of that is just like self-aggrandizing Braggadocio of an evil man how much this is a plan or a process in twenty seventeen investigators start looking at bruckner main being a bartender would be a pretty, pretty choice opportunity to to find out information about folks that are there on vacation people that are you know having some drinks get loose lipped talk about where they're staying talk about who they're with. You. Know I mean we obviously know that the parents liked to have a good time like have their tapas. They ended up at this gentleman's bar at someplace where he worked and I don't know I'm I'm just saying you know there's certainly possible but you're right the now notorious Camper authorities worked off reports from neighbors that Bruckner spent long hours in a shed on the property. And began digging. The shed. As described in article I read as A. Something like a depraved shed, which is pretty accurate more than accurate actually they started to dig they found a hidden cellar. they were seen carrying forensic bags out as well as a child's toy bucket apparently uncovered thousands of videos on hard drives and USB sticks. Supposedly buried along with his dog. Is what I read Yeah Yeah I think it was underneath that stuff was underneath underneath. Yeah, right exactly. Exactly to clarify, this was a search that was conducted in a field in northern Germany where the guy was squatting for a long time. It's about four miles from where bruckner once lived but his neighbors all you can tell his neighbors all distrusted and hated him like He. He would tell people who is a car mechanic if asked what he did, but his own car was continually his own van was continually leaking fuel in an estate at disrepair. The hidden cellar is. True detective level stuff. Oh Yeah it really is did we talk about where he was staying? In Portugal right there by the resort to we talk about that already, we indicated that he was very close. Yeah. There are a couple of places online where you can find the actual area the place where he were broken was staying at the time when Madeleine disappeared and it was not far from those where she was abducted from and it was also the author of those things on the dark web. It's. His. and. If he did this, then it follows the outline, the order of operations that this author on the dark web was talking about. So that's another puzzle piece and you know as of now the none of these recordings or tear whatever tapes, and again, this is why I asked the stuff they found in his van. Is there any indication that he created this himself? This stuff seems like he may have Some of the authorities are interviewed in that sixty minutes. Piece absolutely are characterizing him as a serial killer type as a psychopath you know at the very least a serial killer in the making and. They're keeping a tight lid on whatever they found that seller and honestly I I would look at it as an act of mercy. To the parents that stuff isn't available for them to see who knows there's somebody again in the sixty minutes piece one of the investigators. Indicated that maybe she could have been on one of those tapes. German authorities. British authorities, Portuguese authorities all seem to indicate without sharing the totality of their information. They all seem to indicate that bruckner is the person behind the disappearance. The One of the most disturbing parts here is that German authorities right now? Are One hundred percent convinced that Madeleine McCann is no longer with us that she is dead they believe she died shortly after the abduction they believe she was abducted by Bruckner they believe Bruckner murdered her, but they also believe at this point insufficient evidence to officially charge him which puts them in a weird position because the German prosecutors are saying, this is the guy I told the family why we know this is the guy we just need more evidence and then members of German law enforcement in other regards are saying the same thing. Cheer, point, Noel. L. I think it is. It is noble to say that there with maybe withholding the act of mercy for the parents but I believe there there's also the very compelling motive that they don't want to fumble a technicality. Invalidate the case they want to get the monster right move all of this. Aside, you know what kind of charges he is facing I mean obviously, he must've gotten out for that rape, the of the seventy, two year old woman and I mean, they found the child porn in his in his van I mean surely He's already facing some pretty serious charges and isn't going to be like out anytime soon. Yeah. So He. He it's it's odd that you mentioned that because he recently dropped his bid for early release from prison, he has served he's been serving. He's been serving prison time on unrelated drug charges. So it's it's a pattern that we see happen. Often with. You. Know we've been very careful to avoid the word, but to avoid phrase serial killers, but it's it's a pattern that we have seen often. In these sorts of arrests in these breaks in a case. It's not uncommon for the person who turns out to be a Colbert one crime to already be incarcerated for a different crime, and that's we've seen it numerous episodes this show. He is I. Think. As of July. Twenty twenty, he's about two thirds through his. His prison sentence on those drug offenses, and then after he does that he has to start his seven year prison sentence for the two thousand and five assault. So they wouldn't the court wouldn't allow it to be served concurrently. If that makes sense they wanted to keep them in jail for as long as possible imprisoned I should say and just a reminder they did not catch him for that assault initially, it took a long time for them to figure out that it was bruckner. When the I believe it was the. People who are around him started talking absolutely and this. Also. Portuguese. Police currently confirmed they are reexamining evidence now that they have a better idea of what to look for they have saliva samples from the crime scene and they say they're sending those to Germany to be tested against Brookner's DNA. His lawyer one Friedrich Full Scher. said that his client Bruckner denies any involvement in not just the McKEN case but in chew other cases of missing children he's currently under investigation at some level for and that's that's where we are a so much of this stuff happened. Just a few weeks ago. Yeah. We can't recommend that you if you are interested in this check out some of the timelines that are available out there look at some of. The images that we mentioned earlier, take a look at it. Maybe you can see something that. The authorities don't we don't. You never know we may have one of those unsolved mysteries moments where something just comes to light that maybe you were aware of or you saw something night, you didn't realize if you were in that area and you're listening to this now It it is one of those cases that. I certainly hope has a conclusion at some point soon, they can give this family a little closer and now at this point. We know that there may be some sort of closure that is that is. Is something that can finally answer a question that has haunted all the survivors of Madeleine McCann for again, more than a decade, our thoughts to the McCann family. Our thoughts also go out to all the parents and relatives of other people who have disappeared. Or have somehow gone missing. We know that in this case, it seems the wheels of Justice. Grind slow but hopefully, exceedingly fine. We don't have the answers. We cannot predict the future. We do not know how this will proceed this case with Christian Bruckner, but we can say. It feels. A feels extraordinary that German authorities. Are saying that they found the murderer with such certitude. There's no hemming high. 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Madeleine McCann: new murder suspect named as police say Maddie presumed dead | PODCAST

The Leader

13:29 min | 5 months ago

Madeleine McCann: new murder suspect named as police say Maddie presumed dead | PODCAST

"Hallo is David here you for listening to the leader, please do subscribe and rate us whatever UK your podcast. If you could share the show to that would be greatly appreciated for the last few weeks on this podcast we've been concentrating on KUNA virus, but the identifying of a new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, his a major development of the story that the UK's being following for thirteen years, so we found that we had to cover it will speaking to a home affairs editor Martin Bentham. Evening Standard in London. This is the leader. I. Hi David Malzahn. Is this finally? The answer to the tragedy of Madeleine McCann although the have been theoretical, leans never being a single person in focus in the police attention in in the way that this particular individual is home fans, Adam Martin Bentham on a new suspect, identified in a German jail, and when you hear United, after twenty twenty nominations are coming, and then you see the shows that come comey think Oh my God. That was so long ago. You know backfield's like it was made in the world digital show. Biz Editor Rachel McGrath lockdown as changed the way we watch TV as nubile leads the BAFTA television nominations. Taken from an evening standard's editorial, call them. This is the leader for the whole thing. Pick up the newspaper or head to stand doco. UK slash comment in a moment and who suspect the Madeleine McCann case. He's a German national. He's countless in a German prison for number matter. He's white. He's about six foot in height. He's forty three now. At the time he was such a load h somewhere between twenty, five and thirty two. Detective Chief Inspector Mall Cranwell, describing a new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case forty three year old man named only as Christian be is currently being held in jail in Jammie for the rape of a woman in prior to lose in two thousand five. That's less than two years before Madeleine went missing in the same resort. ADITORIAL column says it may finally bring an answer to what happened to Madeleine McCann. Not, who deaths are equal? Some terrible crimes resonate through the years while others just as painful for the families of those who have suffered badly attract attention. That's our toys is. Every country can tell stories like this. Sir near reports of a suspect this week in the McCain case are understandably a sensation. We now know a German man currently imprison is thought to have been in the area when Madeleine was last seen unlike many possible breakthroughs. In the case, this one seems to have substance. The German police sound serious. All this must be investigated, but we should remember that confidence from the police is not the same as a conviction, and we should remember something else to that. Although the case of Madeleine is one that has captured a nation's interest, it is still at heart. The awful loss of the little girl whose parents have never found out what happened much as everyone else wanted to know. They matter the most. Justice has no sell by date and they deserve an answer. A home affairs editor Martin anthem's been covering the Madeleine McCann case from the very beginning thirteen years ago modern we've had a lot of leads and suspects over those years and none of gone anywhere. How seriously should we take this one? I think very seriously the although the have been theoretical leads, there's never been a single person in focus in the police attention in the in the way that this particular individual is media, mice have pinpointed set individuals over the years, and so the place, quite dumb mass, and so from that point of view. This is a very very significant. So we'll have police themselves actually said. What do we know what we know? Is that the? In twenty seven scene, there was an appeal in this country for information. The tenth anniversary of the McCann's disappearance in two thousand seven, as a result of that was some information. See what that information was, but some information seeds about US news now the folks the investigation, the Metro's place receive information then coordinates the German please. who were interested in. We're to assist. They work very closely together also. Also with Portuguese space to in extent of with Jim Place between them. They've reached this point where they have established a number of things one is that will? The man was living in the golf on an all, but most of the time from nineteen, ninety, five, two, thousand, seven to that he had a couple of vehicles racer, repeating for information about the distinctive of injury camp around the. Call. In particular, he received a phone call in pride's lose. He's been pinpointed to having been implied loose. The resorts where Martha candidate for all on the night of her disappearance received a phone call from one of two numbers, which they played a senior information on. Only an hour, also before she disappeared, they've also discovered that he tried to what he did that. Register the the Jaggi recall in another person. The day after Madeleine disappeared and that they believe the gym. His of the medical police haven't given any details of this, but this being some more information on the German side. That! He. Had A history of committing burglaries, hotels, and so on and he was. Leading US drifting type of lifestyle. In which he was submitting some of that by criminal activity and the theory, at least that He. Broke into the mccown's holiday room, and then opportunistically perhaps took Madeleine format room Nassar a theory. Yeah, the had been. Police previously thought the the this was an opportunistic movement. Really wasn't and that seems to be this guy's modus operandi, doesn't it? He was just doing opportunistic break-ins. Who Towels? It seems that we reading a great deal about what he was doing. That hasn't been a huge amount of information. That's that elements is come from places said Metros. He's given no indication tool about the man. Really don't entire toddy. We don't quite know what the motive was. or anything else or indeed. We don't know clearly whether. Madeleine is still alive or not. This difference between the two investigations, the Metro is still fussing. Missing Persons Investigation on the grounds that there is no evidence whatsoever either waste. What's actually happened to? The Gym piece describing as a merger best Gatien, I think this is probably just a difference in in emphasis in the sense in that's. The Metropolitan Police were keen to emphasize that there are cases where people turn up. An found having disappeared many many years later. Oviously logic would tell anybody that's the likelihood is diminished every year. That passes everyday, US unfortunately very suddenly so. What more information Jim Please might have beat that conclusion that they have been quoted the the officer leading the investigation quoted in a way suggest they've done some investigation which. Points in that direction that there is a murder that's taking place. Unfortunately but we don't know that information is given all the resources and the years that have gone into this investigation. How has this Passan only thondup? It's very hard to to know in a one or more level I mean of course the problem for the Metro's police on indeed the gym cleese is always a reliable the nate on the investigation at the outset. Turns out the Metropolitan Police officer, leading the investigation to take a chief inspector Mark Cromwell told me this morning. This man who was quite sociable, he engaged with people. would be known in the area and his name had emerged before, but never is a a potential suspects, but presumably if the information wasn't. Ed Wilson's adequate. Detailing of who was around at the time, and so on in the initial investigation, becomes quite hard truck it afterwards, and of course in many ways is great tribute. Get to find this now, because the most is, you would think that's the genius on. It would be very very difficult and the the whole spokes in in a sense in that's older many of the cases that get sold with co- case. Reviews new evidence being found in emerging Dan top evidence across alot in this case, it would be harder to obtain obtain that clearly because there is no. Muslim has not been traced and again that Apollo depends on the nature of what was taken at the time and how? Detailed the the of investigation at the time of the actual incident. Next in a way that they took that story, which is a story everybody in in someway Nour's. Town to into suspenseful piece of television, and I think really is completely remarkable digital showbiz editor Richard McGrath to noble leading the BAFTA television award nominations lockdown has changed the way we watch TV. I'm pleased to report that situation into Nobu is stable. In terms of radiation, I'm told Steve quivalent of a chest X, ray. General is on fire. Shonen skied landing in the UK and HBO in the States to noble was a TV cities about how a government responded to an event that threatened its people's lives came last year, but during the coronavirus lockdown has been rediscovered by audiences with little else to do, but watch TV, and now it leads the BAFTA television award. Nominations with fourteen notes are digital showbiz editor. McGrath's with me over zoom. Rachel came up before the pandemic, but I wonder if judges watching noble now one a little bit influenced by current events. Well I mean I think if anything they were going to be implements my current events. They might go the other way and. Completely escapist and totally wild, the pastas are a stranger because the energy ability period is off. Your shoulders have to come out so early. So when you hear you know the best to twenty twenty nominations are coming, and then you see shows that Comey think Oh my God. That was so long ago. You know fleabag fields like it was made in the world. World, so it's always a bit of a strange wounded, so almost like looking back into an ancient history. Really because there are some shows on their, you know things like the greatest dancer which required huge audiences that we just can't make right now. Completely, it's very strange in the greatest dancer came back as well. You know we had another round in January the. To say nobody watched so it does feel very weird and slightly jarring. Then CD's nominated astor's is an audit experience especially given the kind of situation where myron fourteen nominations for. Ties apparently with killing Eve as the most nominated show of all time. Does it deserve? That level of acclaim is an interesting one, because it's a short series than what we normally say, but you know it's just fantastic sky in production. You know if you haven't seen it. The production values almost guy in history have been doing to get up out of this world. The recreation is completely incredible. And the way that they took a story, which is a story everybody in some way noise and Tonto into a suspenseful piece of television I think really really is competing remarkable. Is Water bottle during lockdown because it does feature a lot of stuff about people being lockdown, and what governments are up to in that kind of thing. Is it a bit too scary, right? There hasn't only for me I think so yes, a much more into the escapist television I'm you know every few things on the list of what fleabag a might go back to the crown, which is also a bit more serious, but not quite close to hide. If. You're looking to kind of usual time to catch up when these prestige dramas and these amazing shirts that you might have missed than it should definitely be on the list. That's the leader. You can keep up with all the latest covid nineteen developments with the evening standard's live blog which you'll find a standard Dokodo UK. We also have morning briefings available at seventy three your smart, because just ask the news from the evening standard this podcast is back tomorrow at four PM.

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February 3, 2020: Madeleine McCanns Parents Cleared

Today in True Crime

15:33 min | 9 months ago

February 3, 2020: Madeleine McCanns Parents Cleared

"Today is Monday February third twenty twenty on this day in two thousand eight and interview interview with Alipio Ribeiro. Then head of Portuguese police was published. He admitted that law enforcement had been too hasty to name. Gerry and Kate McCann as suspects in their daughter. Madeleine's disappearance not that that did anything to stem the tide of hate directed at them. Welcome to today and true crime. Apar- cast original no today. We're covering the investigation into the disappearance of three year. Old Madeleine McCann. Her parents. Gerry and Kate. McCann faced based intense scrutiny. After her disappearance and for a period of time were considered suspects eventually they were cleared by Alenia Ribeiro Arrow the chief of police in order to understand the meaning behind Ribeiro's comments on February third. Two Thousand Eight. We have to go back to to the day. Madeleine McCann disappeared. Gerry and Kate. McCann were vacationing in in prior deluged Portugal with their three young children and a group of friends. The mccanns left three year old Madeleine and her. Infant twins wind siblings Shaan and Ali sleeping in their vacation apartment then. They went to eat with friends at a Tapas restaurant. One hundred eighty feet away from their sweet while. This was a parenting decision. That many would later. Criticise Gerry and kate felt safe leaving their children. The resort was fairly enclosed and again the restaurant was only feet away in fact this proximity allowed the group of adults to check on the kids regularly early throughout the meal. They each took turns walking back to the apartment to peek in. But when it was Kate McCann's turn to make the check sometime time between nine and ten. PM She found to her horror. That madeleine was missing from her bed and the window. In the bedroom was wide wide. Open the twins. Meanwhile were still sound asleep as police arrived and interviewed witnesses. One of the women in the group Jane Jane. Tanner recalled seeing a man walking away with a sleeping child in his arms earlier that night but police were unable to find him or Madeleine. Days turned into weeks turned into months. Several suspects were investigated but then ultimately elite cleared. The parents were desperate for answers. The Portuguese police were equally desperate. They needed to put an end to this high profile profile case they needed to show the world that prior to lose a resort town that relied on tourism was still a safe place for families to visit visit. Looking for any kind of fresh leads. Police allowed British sniffer dogs to search the vacation apartment and various items belonging to the mccanns. The animals were able to pinpoint several instances of DNA including one instance of blood across cost the apartment and in the mccanns rental car based primarily on these findings but without other corroborating evidence police concluded that it must have been madeleine's blood found in the apartment and rental car therefore she must have been killed in the apartment and and then transported somewhere else in the rental car. Gerry and Kate McCann were officially named as suspects in their daughter's I disappear. INSZ police chief Gonzalo Amaral championed this theory spreading it to the press. He he called the mccanns in for individual twelve hour interrogation. Kate exercised her right to silence. She didn't answer forty. Eight eight of the police's questions as she left the police station. A crowd outside jeered at her already convinced of her guilt. The press published increasingly defamatory articles about the couple claims were made that the mccanns had drugged madeleine to make her sleep through the night but had accidentally dosed her with the help of their friends. They disposed of her body and concocted the entire kidnapping story other theories. Were even darker. Claims of Pedophilia were leveled. Some even suggested that Jerry was not. Madeleine's real dad. Add on September ninth two thousand seven four months after Madeleine went missing. The mccanns took the twins and flew back Timberland. dings were becoming unsafe in Portugal. Once the family returned home the British and Portuguese press swarmed the McKEN household daily the family received piles of mail some of it extremely vitriolic and hateful accusing them of killing their daughter and lying about it. Social media still in its early days became a breeding ground for anonymous trolls. To say whatever they wanted about the McCann's many wished death on them giving into conspiracy theories that they were a part of some sort of child abuse. Ring all the Portuguese Guillermo and British press did was escalate the rampant theories trying to crack the case trying to find an answer to this persistent horrifying wind mystery and yet no brakes would come back in Portugal. The police investigation had all but stalled. It became increasingly clear that the conclusions from the blood reports were erroneous the recovered DNA samples. Were inconclusive. There was only one instance of blood and it could have theoretically belonged to any of the family members or even a different individual who happened to share similar markers markers with the mccanns and even then the presence of trace DNA did not in and of itself directly point to murder it became clear that the police and the public at large in both countries had been succumbing to confirmation bias using flimsy evidence to support their own beliefs on October. Second two thousand seven police. Chief Gonzalo Morales was removed from the investigation Chen and new officials were brought in. This would hardly undo the damage that his widely circulated accusations had caused. The Mackenzie sounds continued to receive. Hate Mail they continued to be portrayed negatively by the tabloids on top of the loss of their daughter they were now some some of the most despised people in England but for Kate and Gerry the worst part of it. All was that when people were focused on blaming naming them that meant. They weren't focused on finding Madeleine but as two thousand seven turned into two thousand eight. That's slowly began to change. Though their image in the public eye would forever be damaged. The mccanns achieved a small victory. There were multiple new police officials overseeing the investigation and Portugal. This included a Lebeau Ribeiro head of all Portuguese police police on Saturday February. Second two thousand eight. He sat down for an interview with Publico. A national news outlet speaking speaking to the entire country and indeed the world he all but apologized to the mccanns for the faulty police work of the previous investigators. He admitted they had been hasty and suggested that he would direct his men to now pursue other leads. This news was published on February third for the mccanns. It meant that they were no longer under significant criminal investigation but more importantly it meant that the hunt for Madeleine could finally get back on track next will analyze the way the mccanns were treated and see where the investigation stands today. Now back to the story on February third two thousand eight. The Portuguese Police East announced that they had been hasty delay. Blame on Kate and Gerry McCann in their daughter. Madeleine's missing persons case. The hope was that the investigation Gatien with new focus might yield new suspects but unfortunately by July of that same year the authorities were ready to to call it quits. There was simply no new evidence. But after months of tabloid accusations many members of the public in Portugal inland and the rest of the world had already decided that Gerry and Kate McCann were guilty and certainly they were guilty of a very poor parenting decision. Many blanched at the thought of leaving two year olds and a three year old alone own anywhere much less than a foreign hotel room with the window unlocked. But it's easy to cast aspersions. In hindsight one could also argue that the distance between the restaurant and the apartment was not actually that much greater than the distance between the master bedroom and the nursery in some large homes and yet the public continues to assert that the mccanns must've had something to do with the disappearance but in order to believe that we you have to also accept a mountain of inconclusive. DNA evidence. We have to believe that. Jerry and Kate upon accidentally overdosing their daughter her suddenly became criminal masterminds convincing their entire Party of friends to help them dispose of a body and concoct a lie that that would alter each of their lives forever. Is the nightmare that the mccanns of lived through for more than a decade really better than any criminal charges they might have faced from an accidental overdose. We tend to believe the simpler explanation. It seems most likely that Madeleine was abducted by some criminal element that at best sought to sell her to an adopting couple and at worst sold her into sexual slavery or abused her themselves. We already mentioned. How one of the vacationers Jane? Tanner saw a man carrying a girl outside outside the apartment that night. Kate McKEN further points to the history of rampant. Pedophilia in Portugal as evidence that someone would wanna take Madeleine Adeline for such sinister purposes the infamous 'cause appears scandal beginning in one thousand nine hundred eighty one led to the revelation that several wealthy members of Portuguese society had been using an orphanage to procure child sex slaves and even while this was still being investigated the Portuguese legislature passed a bizarre law that reduced sentences for sex offenders who had repeat offenses against a single victim. AM This suggested a somewhat cavalier attitude toward child-sex-abuse in the country or possibly the existence of a deeper scandal that included members of the government. This perhaps explains why the Portuguese police were so quick to blame the mccanns rather than and one of their own citizens but in order to explain why the British public would so quickly turn on the mccanns we have to think somewhat somewhat more esoteric tragedy makes us feel helpless. It reminds us that the world though often a place of beauty is equally equally a place of horror. It does not care about how we feel if people could blame the mccanns than they could convince themselves that the world would never or do the same thing to their child that by being more attentive parent you could guarantee that your child would never disappear. Additionally additionally when dealing with such a low evidence crime with no clear suspects there is no one to blame but the parents no one else to cast our anger onto on top of that. The mccanns have done everything they can to stay in the spotlight to make sure no one forgets about author daughter some members of the British public question. What makes them special but if they were in the parents position they might feel differently? Ultimately we have no answers for you. No one can tell you what happened to madeleine except for the person responsible but when it comes to the mccanns emotions need to be put aside to this day Madeleine has never been found. Her parents. Continue Tinubu the search operating a website called find Madeleine dot com asking for anyone with information to come forward. Thanks for listening to today. Hey in true crime for more stories like this checkout podcast original gone today. True crime is a podcast original. You can find award is so today and true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music. But now spotify defy making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to strain green today and true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today and true crime in the search bar at par cast. We're grateful for you. 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Episode 185

Learn Astrology with Mary English

42:43 min | 3 months ago

Episode 185

"Welcome back to learn and study with Mary minus marrying. She can find me at W. W.. WHAT MARRIAGE DOT COM arranged K. or UK Asto Roller Jar. Hello, how are you? How am I thank you for asking? The, most awful during this morning and this is she's. Part of the reason for the subjects is as podcast and longs to show in the Trim Tattoo which isn't true. I wasn't married to any of the people who have been married to but I was the mother to a little girl and in the Tarim. That took Toco dissipate. Just completely. Dis- paid on our stood in a housing estate cooling her name. And nothing happened, and the showed never reappeared so whoa capsule, Crikey! What might have it that you know and also in the gym was absolutely breath at one point. I was calling the child's nine, and and I was just so being a real screaming. Trust me the dream. You don't know what the dream is about. but I do know that if that were to happen to me, a had two little child and because in the treatment are just full child at wondered off somewhere. And I didn't even in the tree. Know How she was I didn't know she was three, or she was five by knew that she was told law, and when I phoned. The police I think I said that she was three. Years Old. Wherever. In the tree on nude that she was a totally strange considering, there was the other to this child she had nine, but wait say what the name wasn't always yelling the name. and. Anyway, so we're kind of. Curious about the stream that had a William any. The. Thing that might be happening in the news the moment that might have triggered the dream, but it's not something I've read up a lot on is the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Now there's been absolutely. Teen! Things have been written about this little garden I remember when she first went missing I. Did make her birth chart. Because data birth these public knowledge I made her, but chart are stored on my website and I just kept it in. When I made the Charter Geno. She's not going to be found that quickly and if she's ever found. To learn, but the the latest. Is that the gym police believe the person they having prison already. believe know for fact that he was in the place where the mccanns were on holiday. ETC, etc, so I thought I'd just do a demonstration today. about and I'm only going to use to dates so I'm GonNa do the date that Madeleine missing and the date that the latest piece of news. has arisen. And, we have the birthdate date of four champion McCann. Who is the fall? both Gerry and Kate. General Practitioner GP's is the medical term new caiphus somebody that is a a a medical doctor. The works in public practice in the NHL. According to the General Medical Council register which have checked today. It doesn't have. Kate State Outcomes Somebody has. Apparently seen a Jerry's. BET certificate. AM. I. Wonder how they've got a time of birth. Because Times of birth on't written on birth certificates in the UK, so the person that did the research to get this chart making it seven, forty, five, a. m. and according to Stoke dates at bank, which get it back, one second story dates at bank. The person who was the thing about these stories that you you can? Get all emphasis snow his. because these things aren't in the public nurse was no flow of things had been written, said about her disappearance. Word payments didn't didn't do a lot of is heaps of as conjecture. Now the search for somebody cold. Cap Sauce Nights, cavalier jared quotes birth certificate cited by David Fisher in transit magazine publication of the Astrology Association of Great Britain. Coats birth certificate, but they're. They've made these born in. Cities opponent hold on a second. Okay Glasgow big upon a case Glasgow. Yes, there would be a time of birth written best I take your by. Porter Sport. The UK is born class. Go in Glasgow. They do record times about a case. This is more likely to be and it comes up on. Date is at AA, chop. So if we got that's up I'm we're more likely to be able to find out the impact on dad on the day that Madeleine goes missing now. We've got mandolins data birth. We've got dad state birth because his time because he's in Scotland, Madelyn was born in Leicester, and her mother wrote a book about her disappearance and the fact. She's still missing her think unquote. I think it was written two thousand seven. And in the book she. Says that she went through routine appointment. At the obstructions. Coded pregnancy unit and they discover that she was already in labor. and. An appointment normally in a hospital in the UK is during office hours say generally offer Support Office hospital points between the hours of roundabout, ten and four of Nevada Hospital appointment earlier than that, but maybe and then this is a description about the birth. People give straight away after their appointment is not a few hours later so plumped for what o'clock in the afternoon is a birth time commodity now that might not be at all accurate, but we do have heard data bourbon possibly in the afternoon, but just reading the description that. Kate has written. possibly. In both straight away, generally speaking. and. She also mentioned in her biography that Jerry had to drive to the hospital. Mets had there, so he had time to get there after her appointment. He was there when she was boone Blah Blah Blah and again that's. I put it down as. Possibly in the afternoon. Don't knife shark. Now Kate State birth. In her biography, she writes that she was born on the first day of a bus strike in Liverpool, and her mother says that, so she doesn't say in the book. What is her own day to both? Which sometimes people do when they were, but she didn't, and she says that she was born on the first day of the bus strikes. That took me Walter to finally because when you Google it and you put data, Bertha Kate mechanic comes up is the fifth of March my to sixteen, but no other reference to wear that date has randomly come from. It comes up as a google on Sir but. But no link to where that might be well, the independent just conduct with the person themselves, and she says in her book that her mother not that she was born in the first day of the bus star can differ pull so I went to the parliamentary records and their debated in parliament. The date that the bus strikes started. Unfortunately, they keep saying his x amount of weeks before that discussion in parliament, so I've plumbed four the eleventh of March Science cates now all of this Madelynn states, birth and kate data, but what matlins day breath. We know Kate's date of birth is not hundred percent. But it's definitely march. Nineteen. Sixty eight and the strike started on the eleventh of March and if she says she was born, the eleventh of March then that's the date of coach tied to find these things. It's easy identify. It came up with a fifth based just, but he was boy. Beth do surveys watch when the fifth March. ooh crikey. except I was born in Sixty but I don't think it's the fifth march, because the amount of weeks straight would be on when the discussions coming up and parliament wouldn't be. The first discussion was six weeks after it started and the strike itself is poster lasted for eleven weeks another discussion in parliament about it, so it's appropriately not the beginning of March sentinel earlier in case, so that's where I've got these charts from. So, let's start with. Jerry's. Charts. Is Stat cancer ascendant sun in Chinoy in the Eleventh Moon in Virgo, conduct you innocent Pluto's. the moons under stress there with two planets conjunction it to outer planets. So this is somebody who is emotionally under the stress of. Their generation. As Helen squares in the chart and there's a yard and the your pointing to more as The your disappointing to Sutton in the ninth house. An cancer sentence very family orientated. They do of a reasonably. Big Family I'm. To just check. I think she's got some twin sisters. Did they happen? Yeah, other children. I'm. Boom. Let me just pose. Know will ever had the twins I haven't had any children after having. The twins have had the twins a little bit after. GAMBETTA model so the only siblings she has but Diet has a cancerous sentencing. Family's very important. He's gymnast his now. We need to pay attention to this. The sign that Mercury's in because diet has. Sign Gemini, and Mercury and cancer and Mercury's in the twelve which. Isn't that how helpful for what has happened to? It's more difficult to be able to communicate when you mercury's in a different sound from sons is not impossible, but they were tricky. Dad Scott Salkin jumped malls. In fact, that's some tiny sandwiched in between Vincent now there was a long time where the parents were considered to have killed. Madeleine everyday somewhere goodness knows war the Portuguese police. Accused of of fats and they were held in some sort of. Restriction, because there's been films made about stories a never ending story. This one is horrific. Are But. In data. He's an awful lot of things that are square. To get right now, some is square to Pluto. Son Is Son Square to plead show. I'm thought. Muniz Square choose Mercury Moon Square to Mars. Mercury squad chew humanise. there's there's. A big chunk of squareness going on there. And do say as he has a yacht. Now I've put in this shop to about now. I've put on there. The date that Madeleine goes missing which is the third of May. Two thousand seven hundred dots born, fitted united, Sixty, eight, seven, forty, five am cancer ascendant son in Gemini Moon in. Virgo in the third house. And the old. and. This is the date that Madeleine disappears was a few days before her birthday. So the sun is in ten th house Venus is in the sign of Gemini I. That's Gemini. Her satins in the sign of Leo's. The Moon as she was see is in the sign Scorpio in the fourth house, the fourth houses, home and boots. Scorpio is the sign of Trust but it's. Scorpio his constantly accused defeating the sign of. More severe things it will by Pluto Body My. Dad Scott his Neptune in Scorpio. Okay, now don't forget. Don't forgive. Forget the wrong word Madeleine's mother discovered that she was missing it ten o'clock in the evening, and they were sitting on the patio near to where the bedroom walls and I'm sure they've had a couple of drinks, whatever whatever, but you'll notice astrologically that the moon is now going to transit over Dad's Neptune in Scorpio so. The, just how people feel, that's not his moon. She's the main transiting, but the moon is going to trigger his Neptune, and his neck chains, Parvati awed, and so it's not gonNA. Make particularly easy for him to be I. Don't think they even reported her as missing. Until however many hours later, they didn't immediately. Come back to the room. Find a missing and then phone the police as far as I'm aware I. Think In fact as discount happy. Just check! With Robert. What's the story? Mama Minimum. Are we now? Parents check the children trapped leaving. Kate discovered she was missing it twenty two hundred hundred hours. to. wikipedia pages chuck. Identify it. Being had biography. So twenty thirty the parents. Five eighty diamond, their friends and is distance half fall things away. The children were sleep. Madeleine's father carried at the first check. the children were sleeping was well except he cold bedroom door slightly ajar now at stood almost wide awake. Does not. Is Not bad sightings, but not the actual story itself from the moments in time to. To. What did he meets it be do having discovered that they were missing adenoid practice search. Be My sh. Beside the point Megyn, Scorpio, and the moon would be opposite. Madeline Sunshine. so, what's the immediate impact for him Lewington fourth? It's the ruling, Planet Choctaw and There's nothing in his full house, but immune cell now so he's GonNa Vermont feel that. Each check about his family, because the the twin sister, the rim yeah. And, he's got Mooney furger himself, so he's GonNa he's going to be in a heightened state of Warri conjunto. You this is what I'm sure that's GONNA. WanNa to to get triggered over the next few weeks. But because he's mattress and cancer, and he said Jim going to be slightly more difficult for him to be able to communicate okay. I'm one of the issues continually over the years the McCann. Family haven't communicated the full with them. It's just one of those things. So let's have a quick look hurts I'm. GonNa push going to make a chart for the moment that at Madison disappears or is not. Space is discovered to have dissipates at one second. Okay so I've made a chart for had shoot me ages had. Reached my maximum charter, my couches, the thousand. That's delete some. The ascendant is such a terrorist international philosophical, blahdy Blahdy Laura sentence. This is the chart just for the time that the Madeleine has. Supposedly this is the time that The mother discovers that she's missing. And we got. The Moon is twenty nine degrees, so it's it's coming after Scorpio but it still in school player, and the Moon is in the twelfth, so if we just take the charter self for just isn't all recharge for event. I haven't put made Meta theme. Legis made this event. We've got sun sick. which is about health and healing? We've got a unison Mars in. A Pisces in the fourth. This is the home and you're unionist. The sudden flopping planet malls, which is a bit sort of action orientated type thing, so you've got something dramatic going on there in the in the fourth. You now this is the key thing. You Got NECC- in the third so communication. Isn't. An easy thing that's going to confuse things were looking at fifty. Six hundred yards can junked car on. pollutants in the first. Jupiter's there as well so the. International is not a what did become international, the missing child pigment, international and Venus in the sign of Jim annoying the seventh dots. Jimmy Sutton's in the ninth opposite of having to take this seriously, so we're just saying that's the time that she's missing. That's not the time the the time. She discovered to be missing us all the time. She went missing it sometime between whenever it was, they put them to bed and then they. Came back and Chatham avantage. She gone. but the choice of the the moon is in the twelve and the. Ruling plan to the chart. Such terrorist is Jupiter and Juba. The first and it's retrograde. So plutarch writes greatest thing also in such a terrace. Yes, this is this is a number of years ago. This is two thousand and seven. Are But just as a an event chart. We'd need to look at the ascending so I'm which is saggy. That's nice ascendant to have and the reading planet to is in the fourth position retrograde. So this could be misunderstandings is going to be The luck is not going forward luggage running out. And the sun and Mercury in the sick. So Health Healing. Hard work! And also without the in this the whole Charter Square Mitchell. Shape wise is so. Some sort of Komo TV type thing Sabet of messy char. Dara opposite. Venus in the seven. I'd be looking at the fourth year nece. Malls. Sudden. Just an impact challenge. so let's have pits. cates all kate's mum. and we know she's the Pisces. That's for sure Jenna Beckenham enough to the Mothers Char. Somehow the day of birth then not turned out that she was an aquarium. She's not quite. She's definitely a pisces or so thinking. Oh, well, actually. She's Sudarat right to Pisces. Typical Pisces is They always confusion associated with it not she's done anything intentionally. About Ronald Riot but. A Pisces can be guilty of alertness carotene. Now we don't have a birth time off. Understand at six am, and this is the date that the strike happened in the post was shooting that when she wrote a biography of mother, saying that she was born on the first day of the strike. Then if that's to Haditha, birth is now not the fifth. March is the eleventh march. ignored. The is actually done that. I'm wholesome, but forget that from. Mercury's in Aquaria Dad's a gym Ni- with Mercury in cancer. Mum's a Pisces Mercury and Aquarius Mercury and Venus in Aquarius and possibly be. One hundred percent sure, but the date that the strike starts the Moon's in Leo again. We don't know what time of day she was born, so the moon could go as far as own. However many degrees is it takes two days moon to change signs, so it could. On that day be anything up to. Eight or nine degrees possibly. I don't think she's born. Ming conduct you petitioned up to be born the following day. But definitely the Munising Leo. Not as about this is the attitude towards her own mother, and to be a mother. She wants to shine. The children are important. These my babies. That topping in? We've got Saturn and malls in aries. And the date that I'm using there again is the. Third of May two, thousand, seven, hundred. This is the date that Madeleine disappeared now. Mum has now gone UNIS son sewing, and Moore's there. So this is something very. Unsettling unpredictable that has happened okay. Which data leash old? and that's the only conjunction there and that chins transiting and it's now. Obsolete can jump talked on to take. Neptune is twenty one degrees, Aquarius and mom's Mercury's twenty three degrees for us, so that's not particularly helpful. can make gang communication. Confused Confusing dissected deceit order these they were accused of order these things. When the disappearance happened, yeah! And I don't think they need to be criticized for either in my dream. When my child had dope havoc, daughter said Jennifer Todd data, and I'm just I'm disclaiming and when the police and not even joe how old she is! My child has gone. Don't lie loss Mitchell. Matale just isn't there. May I. Don't know how Kate felt that time I know. How is it in my dream? which is which is what prompted me? Just going through these charts as point of interest. For the story it has reappeared in the news I haven't been for both of the. obsessively watching youtube videos about. Leaving funny. Subject Mary I was I. Love Bat. Has Son. Opposition pretty showed unionist conjuncture in virgos. Big SEASO's been going on there and she has a seesaw chart, and since she's born the same year as a husband. USA has a Neptune in the sign of Scorpio. It makes a nice aspect. Her son sign and the day that a modeling disappears. The Moon is activating her neck chain, so it makes a nice aspect to her son sign, but it's causing the square to Mercury and Venus on the date of disappearance. Sutton's already gone past to moon the transits so well in our on our believe know when she in her biography mature. What's about the disappearance of Madeleine the first few months? Madeleine's live. She didn't sleep and Kate suffered from sleepless. And was quite positive stressed out about it Yeah. So. Possibly I haven't done which may be I ought to do, but I don't online at Tom. So that's the. the disappearance. What's the impact on Mum Universe Moss Okay so mom doesn't know what's going to happen yet now I. D will under the influence. You initiate done. What's GonNa? Happen next is two stops coming out from all over the place and Unisys exactly conjuncture some. Thank you and this is. ABC Junkies Seventeen. Degrees in the Sun is twenty degrees seventy three degrees pop. So mums on the influence of two planets foot me. Neptune like a delusion dissection. And Eunice southern happenings. Mom also is a devout Catholic bad matrix to seep. In. To help Now that seven Luca Madeleine's chart. I've made her. As being born in the afternoon. But absolutely no idea how many just? Break Mums Book. few soon in. So she's definitely as sunshine tours, and a possibly with mainly, the moon is changing sign in the day that she's when she certainly not born early in the morning. That's not the story that MOM's telling. In her biography and also mom says that she said a routine antenatal plea Natal appointment where if you hold and She's a routine. Natal appointment. And they discover that she's in labor. So she's not. There's no way on the maths of it. She could be born before twelve o'clock. It's just not gonNA work, so I've done. One Coke possibly with Ferguson. So full as a son in tourists I'd say definitely in Libra. Doubled by Venus And the day that. Whatever happens to happens to. The Moon is opposite. Her son sign. Mercury's returned. The Sun Is there. FORGET ABOUT MC NO RESPITE Official. we've got. Carbon on Moss net change to debate. To. Some Pluto, but the moon is in Scorpio so the moon is opposite. Has Sun Sign? Venus on has Saturn. Saturn is on her cheap. Now one presumes the on the day. And the moment that she went missing. Possibly! She's still alive while she's in the Bittu when she's snatched. I doubt very much. Whoever was as much to kill destroy away. would expense. would be later to bed dinner. What goes on? Now Dad's Scott Moon Pluto. So. Pluto yoenis conjuncture in the sign of Virgo. And Matlin has possibly a virgo. Center Dr Bernard. And if she's bought a little bit earlier, she could have mood in herself. NO IDEA! I'm. Venus on Sutton. Stand. Phoenix's love. And with the Tempe am discovery channel, so she goes missing before ten PM. Just APAs well. with that being a saggy ascendant, so she's a witty dissipated. Pluto. Yeah. But I expect went a little bit before that. In between the last check, the dads made and then the check that made that be window literally, so think chip personal remorse coffee window. The window was discovered to be open or something. and. The ascendant. For her disappearance. Might. Be a little bit earlier in that. Might. Be Slapping, on the main school pick knows. I don't. Know want to think about what my doubt that anyway. And so now we're where we are now our twenty twenty. And one on one. When I detach all originally, she went missing certificates don't. I! Didn't think that she would be. Found Straight to buy. Approve of pot, but that'd be. said she's been discovered, so she's been discovered now. There's a possibility that. She could have been captured by this job person and whatever happened to but the news. On the third of June this year, so we'll take it with that child I so how would the impact? That can you imagine? Nightmares visit. The some Venus return that don't forget. Venus was in Germany. On, the date that Madeleine went missing. I'm mercury is on his mercury mercury now led to grade so i. don't think there's going to be any. It's GONNA be resolved. Until Creek comes out of it. Quite one wouldn't assume. And look about mean sign again, so this is this year third June, when the police made the statement that they want to find A further. Evidence from people about this particular person, the camp of and the owned and where they were, what the deal! The weather. The Munis once again in Scorpio. So it's taken how many years we now? Justice seven seven thirteen years SURPRI. gummy, Sanjiv Thousand and seven, when out to an t barrio masters about thirteen years right, but the moon is once again in Scorpio in Dad's fourth house, so wouldn't thought that's not clearly fluffy thing. Neptune's now on. That's MC so. That MC's this the. The People Witness Your Professional view from others. How not like you were sending? How everybody sees you about how your bit that you showed? The world is, and it's in that confusing sign of Pisces and niche even is there. So again! There's still confusion I'm sure people still accused him of having killed. Dumb Webber with? and Free Planet Springfield the seventh. I mean that's sons in the eleventh friendships really important for him. but the moon once again shuttles robin key. In the school Pierre, so impact is that, but news frame is. He's our I would have thought if anything else you could be in. which cold it What's soldiers suffered from when they come back from the wall? By cold into second. Also something like toxic shock syndrome university, the repeating of it. You're going to get a re-, repeats of of the agony of of the discovery is gonNA come back and to be fair that you might have had thinned is now gonNA, repeat up, because the implication with the discovery of this person is imprisoned and what you markle to. He hasn't gone loops. He hasn't up. Typically Nice things with anybody's not upstanding citizen at. The person is imprisoned already. I would going to trigger followed scary things awful. What impact could that possibly have on Kate? Just mum? Discount. We don't know ascending sign Assuming that the information of is correct. Forget the ascended return to the time of birth now when Madeleine went missing, Eunice was conjunctiva Hassan sign. So, what's conjunctiva now gene again? The confusion, but Mars is there as well so. I'm expert. She's feeling. If nothing else close, yeah! Maybe you wouldn't even think cost me. Just a dream I was just thought aside Misao for sorry. Think. There's an else's conjunctiva. Mums charges malls and Neptune and obviously gonNA Trans again. Market did in the day that she went missing. I would've thought you can get some sort of flashbacks. I would but I'm not. Madeleine. Obviously Madeleine's no-go with us. Okay the chances of her survived for this amount of time all in one piece. A slim. However even though you've paused your chalk and still be triggered because you Utah exists EPA. K.. Your chart doesn't disappear even though you might have done, you've gone to heaven. and. I thought it was interesting. I hate choose what interesting gazette makes sides, if on complete detached from what's happening and I'm talking about something sad and upsetting. Interesting is the wrong word conflict seaboard. She was boom with mercury, retrograde and Unisys now conjuncture mercury, so macri, so madeleine has some and mercury in tourists. But Mom and dad had been mercury's different signs, and they have strived over the years to to give the information people want, and the pair of them have struggled I haven't done the chance for the the twins. It's important for one about today, but Madeleine has self as sun and Mercury in the same sign. Bart Bart's her mercury is in the is retrograde, not as good or a bad thing, but look now. The news is hitting southernly this this newsday come from nowhere. Woman it's I don't know how the be. Miss Searching discovering it. But when the news hit, it was a completely unique. Angle to the whole story. Biggest story had gone off millions of directions now the police have been working on this case rages. That got is person is imprisoned for attacking of killing. Or some older person? Some delayed and now Unisys conjunction Madeline said, this is a chart. Say you this about sudden happenings on Macri so Merck Chris about how we communicate Eunice coming in conjunction a mercury retrograde. It's good to trigger. communication, which is bad, it's it's. It's retrograde than NATO mercury veteran. Maybe the story will never be resolved. Maybe the person who's imprisoned will never confess maybe the body. You'll never be found. It's going to be an eternal dilemma. Is it nor because we're now still under a mercury retrograde in Kansas cancel about family. on that's the only conjunction in her chair of Van. the north node is now uncertain. NATO satins inside sondagem Night Daddy's agenda Annoy. North node spiritual purpose satin. Opposition to NATO Pluto Retrograde. Mas already gone past her NATO year and a sympathises Neptune's sweaty dammit. you know. When is this ever going to be when he's when his has spice her story ever going to be laid to rest? I don't either. However. Yunus will continue to transit through Tucson. Tourists I'm would eventually conjuncture sun sign and I dunno I'm putting the idea out there. Is that when the? Eventually. The the story is resolved. Unionist Trick, is it? Somebody has memory in three or four years time Oh. Yes, this happened or some is discovered somewhere to know this is. This is still a story that hasn't been finished. So I'll put the charts out there, so you can see them If you've got any opinions on it, do to email me. Let me know your thoughts. It's just Alexis is a to a to the date of the disappearance, the CIA over and just reminded the reason that prompted this podcasts today's that are haddish dream and I haven't gone missing child. I don't have a daughter. I have some. and. And it was in the twin was just the feeling of just. It wasn't even panic. It was it was deeper than grief. It was a real loss in the tree and. It was interesting to find out what interesting it was. I felt. Something for Kate, the had never felt before was never even. Done anything to do with her chart of than I created Solo. You know if that were me in that circumstance, Howard I feel how I felt my tween. I've got no idea how she felt reality. So apologize if this ever blurry. Episode nothing to clear, but it's fierce from the charts added. Think it's ever going to be clear and I don't think he thinks that things are. It's not like ABC one two three. It's always solved the get your tragedy. Things aren't clear past. The reason that tragedies. So I hope you have a Fab Week. I will be back next week. You can find me at marrying dish combining stock Heidi. If you'd like to understand that you with me to gain contact are teaching one on one. There's two different types of stores I teach this the introduction stodgy, which covers all the basics and then do another one called next steps each lesson since you as a word document. Document and a youtube video to watch in the Michelle or one Askar Obsession to have off. Do you read the lesson? 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The Morning Briefing: Thursday, June 4

The Briefing

02:28 min | 5 months ago

The Morning Briefing: Thursday, June 4

"Halloween Danny Boyle with the briefing from the Telegraph. It's Thursday June. The fourth and police have made a breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann investigation. So. It's the biggest development in the thirteen year. humps. Scotland. Yard's identified a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann they've revealed he's a Futi. three-year-old German national imprisoned for child sex offenses. The man was in prior to lose on the day of Madeleine's disappearance in two thousand seven. He's believed to have been living in a camper van at the time officers of released pictures and also his Portuguese mobile number. They're hoping to gather data for mobile phone records. Back in twenty seven seen case in Gerry, McCann made a fresh appeal for information. It might have prompted more sympathy than hope for most of those watching, but the appeal seems to pay dividends Golden Rain written a piece explaining how a tip off led to a secret cross border investigation. Onto Corona virus and a fool ahead of Emma, six said he believes the pandemic started as an accident so rich did lava said the disease escaped from laboratory in China. He claims to have seen a scientific report. Suggesting the virus didn't emerge naturally, but was made by scientists. He's given an exclusive interview to our planet. Normal podcast. You can listen to the full thing. and. Does the weather takes a turn for the worst? Many thoughts will be turning to holidays, but it's emerged that holiday makers might have to wait up to eighteen months for refunds on canceled trips to Europe. Countries including Portugal Italy and France of told hotels they can offer credit vouchers instead of refunds. They be valid until December next year. Consumer Affairs Editor. Some meadows explains what it might mean you. Rights if you're listening on WHATSAPP all, send you those links now. If you're listening on spotify apple lower ever you get your podcast, you'll find them in the show notes as well as links to some non corona virus material, including the latest on black lives matter protests in London and how to tackle an invasion of Asian Hornets now sit. You're up to date. Press will have your second briefing of the day this evening.

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 How the disappearance of Madeleine McCann became a national obsession

Today in Focus

33:51 min | 4 months ago

How the disappearance of Madeleine McCann became a national obsession

"Today. Could a breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann case finally laid to rest a story? That's become a British obsession. Go Talk Asthma. She was the come Cuba shot so much of contract. Comes in. My costano boy has been. Prosecutors, Germany held a press conference to update the media on a story that has gripped the world over a decade into. Medina for swindon this dieting. Maitland Beth McKEN. Thousands even. After thirteen long years, the search for answers in the model McCain case could be nearing its conclusion. German who is currently in prison is now the prime suspect and is being investigated suspicion of her murder. He's also being linked to cases of other missing children. German police say they have substantial evidence that Madeleine is dead, but need more information from the public to bring the suspect to quote. It is devastating development from Madeleine's Peres Kate Jerry McCabe. They say that they have never given up hope of finding her alive. But his could at last bring to a close searched, the began in Portugal as extended across the world, involving thousands of police officers and costing millions of pounds. From the. Guardian, I'm Rachel Humphry. TODAY IN FOCUS! The disappearance of Madeleine McCann. How a tragedy became a national obsession. S Ashley you reported on the model and mccown story back in two, thousand and seven. Take us back to you. Remember when you first heard about the case. I, do remember where I was when I first heard about it. I was actually in Edinburgh covering a murder trial, and I was in the press room with a number of other journalists waiting for the verdict I'm we use about this? Child's disappearance came across the TV or whatever it was, we were watching. Breaking, news for this morning. Just tearing the she's under way from three zero British go. He's gone missing in the alcohol of Portugal and she went missing last night. Hundreds of people have been searching for the girl and not such continuing this morning. We were trying to get as much on that for for you as soon as we can. We can speak now Dan Mason who's a journalist who works in that area? Don Thanks for joining Sky News Sunrise this morning. What are the details gleaned so far? She's. Three years old I'm still the name of Madeleine Monday We all in each other and you that this was going to be a big story. This was at almost if picture, perfect couple and two doctors with their beautiful children in this amazingly gorgeous little resort and I'm had they had experienced really every parents worst nightmare. How did you end up reporting on the Kafe? Am I sleep deprived Louche a few days after the disappearance of Madeleine and it was a very very. Atmosphere require a lot of families there and you could see people were nods. You know they were keeping their children's close, and of course at the same time there were just. People arriving from rolled across the word journalists like myself TV crews everywhere. It is safe to leave here. It's basis the. Do biceps. To the sound Britannic eight them binoche. This is tiny little time particularly around this apartment. And where can Josh mccown and their family had been staying when Madeleine disappeared tonight Madeleine's parents, Jerry and Katie still waiting desperately for news. With every hour that passes the questions only grow, and the sense of dread mounts. With the fact that the case that were stop in those first few days. Well, it's a great tragedy about mother McCann's case that for all the millions of words that were written about the story. and. All the resources that have been poured into the investigation, and all the scrutiny that the Portuguese investigation had helped by the British and international police. The. Really have been very few facts that have been established the are. Absolutely proven to be true. On the night of Thursday. The third of May of two thousand and seven and Madeleine McCann was asleep with her two younger siblings She was nearly four, but not quite in this small apartment, and at some point in the evening her parents were having dinner in a restaurant, a little distance away. The family were checking periodically on. Friends were checking periodically children on point sort of between nine, thirty and ten o'clock. Modern seems to have vanished and. Beyond that the facts that have been established without. Any question of Are Very very few. Will. You'll memories of the mccanns. Gosh. What's cannot describe the anguish and despair that we are feeling as the paints of a beautiful daughter model and. They the shell shocked they. Were would occasionally sort of emerged to speak to media. A member them during a press conference quite soon after I arrived in the street. Safely. Please a few half Madeleine. Late heart come home to her mummy? DOTTY rather than sister. Mrs Mukamba's holding. Toy cuddle cat that had been onto madeline. and. She didn't put a dime. And that I saw for for weeks and weeks. It's sort of a company to everywhere. I mean what can you say? Their daughter disappeared and they were devastated. Would just like to express saw sincere prostitute. Thanks to everybody, take you. Live community here who say what suppose. Could not ask them. All I just want to say thank you. Please continue to play from. She's local. Whoops the relationship like between the mccanns and with you and other journalists well in the early days I think The mccanns? were. Obviously eager to do whatever they could to. Help bring their daughter back and if that meant speaking to the media, if that meant publicizing their daughter in any way they could than they were very very willing to do that. They also you know within a few weeks of Madeleine's disappearance. Went on a sort of tour for one of the better world around Europe to speak to Spanish investigators, Spanish journalists they went to the Vatican. They saw the pope. Today. Meeting the pointer was. Expedience that has very mixed emotions Florida's. And an ordinary circumstances, of course it'd be the highlight of any. Catholic to come and meet with Paul. We're trying to sort of spread the word across. Europe, we do rush to publicize her disappearance and the whole. That somebody. Has Information. The knowing rushes on noise. You may have taken up. We appeal. To people all over the world? There was such a huge appetite for this story wasn't there? It's like nothing I've ever seen before there were stories told about the number of sales that. You could get as a tabloid newspaper if you put Madeleine on the front page, and the appetite for information from people by Kobe was enormous, I think I think there was A. There was an enormous public empathy for this little girl on for her parents. Certainly initially, and there was also fascination with this story, because it became a sort of national talking point. With people with a quick. was. Why because at the end of the day was people on council estates would give children taken off of those. Doctors. They should show an example. They went on holiday the big after got. The end of the day wanting to pay A. Babysitter? Ten percent his technology with them. They want to go on holiday with children want to leave him. Hundreds and hundreds of Kuhn's here to BBC radio next to my this the breakfast show from denise or fishing village when we went. To. The parents leaving children I. Think is very unfair because. Always, say safe, it's safe and you can't see the apartments, but the apartment. You're looking. At the bedroom back. The vocal, these very heavy. Metal shutters. A lot condoms. Her. One person could have lifted them up because they are extremely heavy shutters. You can never leave your child alone in a house in a hotel room. Things that had sort of. Puzzled people a little better bite them. It was that they had always seemed quite composed, and they didn't want them well. Sue. How. About how people? Behind. Be Able to. This is A. Got, from somewhere. We believe fighting folded. The size talking to do that. I would. See. You are. Relaxed knock knock, on Wood. Very? When you're sitting here. Presently bag talk about. Time think for a lot of people that. Couldn't. See Heart. They would have been able to react in. That way couldn't couldn't imagine themselves being that strong in that situation. That was one of the reasons why people? Sometimes. Felt that the mccanns didn't react the way that they expected them to. And that may have been one of the reasons why people were open to being suspicious of them at as time went on. Santa Lavelle you are the Guardians. Crime correspondent in two thousand and seven. If you were to describe a textbook criminal investigation into a case like base, what would it look like? So if you talk to homicide detectives in any crime like this where a young child goes missing, it's really important to capture the evidence early on Golden Hour of evidence so whether it's fingerprints all a broken window or A child, dropping something one detective I know. He talks about clearing the ground in front of your feet as you walk forward, so you put your nose down in look in front of you and you cleared inch by inch the ground in front of you until you reach out out out. In an attempt to not miss anything. While you're doing those searches. You're also looking at the obvious suspects and the obvious suspects in a homicide aura abduction tend to be initially. The parents have to be looked at and then. It's the known sex offenders in the area. That's what police would always to the tournament that sex offenders people who've been convicted. Are there any in the area? The Portuguese police. Did they do any of? The Portuguese police didn't seem to treat it as a crime initially from what what they did. They didn't see it off the state and they didn't do a fingertip search, and there was already tension in the the mccanns said that there was a window that had been broken into looked like a break in and the Portuguese police was saying publicly. There wasn't a break in there wasn't a breaking. And I remember talking to relatives of the mccanns very early on saying, we said the window was broken. It was being treated as a child wondering off all. Or maybe even already by then suspicion of the parents. What was the evidence that led the? Portuguese police to think. The Kate and Gerry. Mikan had done dumbness I'm not sure there was any evidence. Initially I think there was a suspicion that was crystallized with the use of British. Sniffer dog sniffed out. Send him a corpse in the back of the car and the boot of the car, which just set whole? Issue of them being suspects off. Sniffer dogs were also taken to ten vehicles. The only bucked when they came to the Mackenzie Hayek are. The dogs jumped into the boot. Their reaction was widely reported and was seen as damning evidence in Portugal out. Can you explain the coincidence of the off the cat of of category felt by British and not? Sandra maybe allows. Because they affects mental. Don't don't ask thanks for nation for that. Austin the Hawks Sandra. Has the ducks, no, Jerry now i. think that I I feel free to ask you Don't you feel free to me? I can tell you said look to evidence about. Builds and incredibly undermine. Unreliable. Talks but it was a lot to discredit evidence. For example DOT COM had been hired by the mccanns twenty five days. Often? Madeline had gone missing, so this theory rested on the pretty implausible idea that they had hidden her body for all that time wall. The is of the world's media on them. And then there were also questions raised about whether the Portuguese investigators even knew how to use these dogs. What did you make? If this theory at the time detectives I spoke to at the time were saying this is one piece of. Apparent evidence, but it has to be put into context with. Did. They have the means to kill the child at the time to move the body. What's the motive here? All of those things have to feed into an investigation. You can't just take one piece of evidence. Isolated piece of evidence and then make a case around. But in this piece of evidence or pound, evidence emerged allowed the media to. To run with the idea that the mccanns have been responsible and even though. Had they stopped to hang. Had they looked around? They might have pulled. There was no there was no pausing set media on an absolute frenzy. You've talked about how the mccown's initially welcomed. The media focus on their story perhaps impart because they didn't have a lot of faith in the Portuguese investigation I. The coverage of them was sympathetic, but we know now that it didn't stay that way. When did things change? I think the relationship had sought been suffering throughout the summer. Partly because Portuguese police have been leaking things into the Portuguese media which were defensive of the police and sort of critical of the critical of the family, but it sort of broke into the open I. Think when police officially named came Jerry McKenna's are Guidos. With badly. Company Cameras Kate McKinnon emerge this afternoon officially now a suspect in the disappearance of our own daughter. This disturbed meaning. Official suspect or person of interest, and there was this sort of extraordinary thing where where they visited the police station in nearby ton, and as they emerged from the station. Kate mccown was booed. Whistles from the crowd, but also a few shouts support. Those closest to how adamant she's innocent, but the acknowledged the shocking possibility to the police may soon charge kate with Madeleine's death. Think. They were quite shocked by that, but obviously devastated, because not only had. Police that were meant to be looking for their child named damaged people of interest bought. It was clear that some sections of the crowd watching were also. Very hostile to them. What happened at that point was it suddenly gave permission to? Those people who had. Taken against them accounts for whatever reason to sort of say. I never really liked to cut their job. Why didn't she crime or they've seen a bit cold to me? The fact that they had been named ARGUETA's led to Time A. Type of reporting that. More and more outrageous, really in the way that the mccanns were described in some news outlets and very much not all, but in some news. I, it's some of what was written about them was. latently libelous in the most Yeah, I think many people will have been shocked by some of the headlines written about in the cans, which range from directly accusing them of killing their own daughter to even saying they'd sold her into slavery. Organizations which completely false. If I think about it's hard to think of many people who have received worst treatment from some sections of the British press K. Mukarram. That relationship was incredibly destructive and I. Think has a really good claim to be the most dishonorable period really of a really bad bad period, and British journalistic history and not intrusion into mccown's life, and the accusations made against them by the press, continued even after the Portuguese police shelf investigation and lifted. The mccown Zarghee does status in two thousand eight. But this period of journalistic history was examined at eleven inquiry into press ethics in two thousand and eleven. Kate and Jeremy kind gave evidence to the inquiry. What did they say it was a pretty shattering? Thing to listen to. These Desperate Times no river, having to try and find out also south needed all the help. We get on face with no monster headlines. Caught in the car I. Don't Know How many times at body fluids in the car and gets repeated. That often becomes fact, but when a body fluids. I'm desperately wants to shout out. It's not true it's not true, but when it's your voice against the powerful media. You know. Just to how? A desperately. Shout out internally. Please stop what you do in I mean we're trying to find. And you was stopping our chances and find. We were being tried by the media. And unable to defend ourselves. Mrs McCain at one point said that she had felt like climbing into a whole milk, getting art and that that came because her diary, which had been taken as evidence by the Portuguese police had appeared one day in the news of the world and. Her most intimate salts written to her private diary. Written these words on Seoul, supplements desperate time in my life, these people experience stocks, and it was my only way of communicating with Moslem. And Me, you know there was absolutely no respect shown to me as agreement order human being. Off My daughter, and it made me feel very vulnerable and smoke. I just couldn't believe the injustice, and actually just recently read through my diary entries at that point that week and talk about. Not Coming out, because I just felt so worthless. Being treated like this, you know Jerry Mikan have already gone through the worst thing that can happen to a parent on the other hand. They have been through an experienced. That I think is sort of uniquely dreadful and. And at the hands of of some sections of the British media and It was quite clear when they spoke Leveson that they were, they'd had kicking for wanted better way of putting it, but. You know they're. They're very strong. Couple and am was quite clear that they just want to focus on finding their daughter and finding out what happened to. I think that is in some ways and the thing that has driven them for the past thirteen years and They've been absolutely doggedly focused on not. In the same years Leveson Thousand Eleven, the Prime Minister David Cameron announced that he was asking Scotland Yard to review details at the McCain. Case David Cameron has written to Kate and Gerry. McCann's saying the met will cost a fresh eye on the evidence. The McCann family say it's a step in the right direction. And immediately the idea that the mccanns had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance was dismissed by Simon foy. He was head of homicide at the Metropolitan Police at that time Eden searched. Long of what we looked at. When we took the information back and run it through our own understanding and verified. Sightings and accounts and statements, and all the rest of it. It was perfectly clear to us that the mccanns themselves had nothing a tool to do with the actual disappearance why? Because he was just, it was just hopeless from that. Everything's stacked up the they you know they went. Would they wear where they were in? The child went missing. And this is an investigation has come under a lot of scrutiny both the amount of money. It's cost more than eleven. Million Pounds, and the amount of time is being spent on looking for one child while Sony investigations a draw. It still ongoing but wars. It managed to achieve so far. They've certainly shaken down the evidence and they've. They've looked through the evidence. They've gone through the cell site mobile phone evidence, if come up with hundreds of suspects and then they've sifted them down further. They gone back over a huge investigation and tried to put the Jigsaw together. And what they've achieved. We don't yet know They certainly given I. Think the mccanns more peace of mind that at least someone is looking at this properly. I think there were has led to tip-offs and inflammation coming forward about the latest German suspect, the paedophile. After this House, the police secured a breakthrough in the model mccown investigation. Seemed like the trial had gone cold in this case and then last week, there was this breakthrough. Where did it come from? Publicity around the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. In the UK the parents of interviews, the Metropolitan Police held a press conference. appealing again for information and then in in Europe in Germany. There were press conferences and of Crime Watch program. That led to information coming forward about and Bruckner at the German paedophile. Who's now the prime suspect? And what do we know about him? Well! so He seems to be an archetypal it's. Child Abuser. Who has been one step ahead of the system throughout his criminal career, just looking at? The bioch- of his crimes and his life that that is emerging. He's German who spent a Lotta time in Portugal? In fact, he seems to shuttle between Portugal Germany every time he gets in trouble in. Germany flits to Portugal. He seems to escape the German justice system at least three times I in ninety when he fled to Portugal. From a jail sentence in Germany for sexually abusing children in Nineteen ninety-five earliest that. He was then later jailed in two thousand six in Portugal for theft, so he committed crimes in Portugal. He then goes back to Germany that in two thousand sixteen again he leased. Portugal when facing prosecution for sexually abusing a child. He was extradited back to Germany in twenty seventeen. and started serving a sentence for drug offenses then in December last year. Just December twenty nineteen. He was convicted of the rape of a seventy two year old woman American. Woman who lived in Pride Aleutian Portugal. Half a mile from where Madeleine McCann was abducted. And this happened in two thousand and five so two years before Madeleine, mccown was abducted. Only, just been brought to justice for that crime. That's one part of the evidence that puts him there. There's much more compelling evidence that puts him within a mile of the apartment. Before she was abducted in two thousand seven. The mobile phone evidence shows. He had a phone call on the phone. Call with puts him. In the vicinity of the apartment on the night, she went missing. he lived in a farmhouse in prior to Louche lived there for many years. And he moved out of that place shortly off. She went missing he also. Changed the registration of his car that had import. You'll the day after Madeleine. McCann went missing. Changed the registration he got friend apparently to put the registration in his name in Germany. He's well known. He's well known to the German officials. He could have been well known to the Portuguese he. It seems he might have been looked at. We're not clear about this, but this is. This is a man with a history of. Abusing children history of burglary, his of drugs offenses. And like I, said at the beginning. You know he's. He's a sex offender. One look at him when you're clearing the ground in front of you maybe should have been led into focus a little more on him in the first place. And we should say he is currently appealing dot, twenty nineteen rape conviction, but. You've just laid out a string of crimes to his name. Would you have expected? The police investigation might have been able to identify him as a key suspect earlier on in the case. That's a big question I. Don't know, but I think that. He should have been one of the P pulled. You would've looked at. You should look at known sex offenders. Now the Portuguese might well say. They didn't know he was a sex offender hadn't actually at the time committed sex offenses. The Bay knew about in Portugal but. This was two thousand and seven. This wasn't nineteen eighties. We have a European arrest warrants. We have apparent cooperation between countries in Europe. It seems to me that was. Extraordinary lack of eyes on this man. Given his history. Do we know if there's any physical evidence linking him to this crime? I don't I. Think it's interesting to see that they've identified him his way back. In two thousand seventeen, he was identified as a key suspect in the McCann case, three years have gone by, and which were told the British police and the German police have been an awful lot of work on this man. And I think it's interesting that last week they chose to identify him in Germany and Britain. To me, that smacks of. We haven't got any physical evidence. We need put out another appeal to get more information. Maybe the loss. Throw the dice to get some information some evidence on him. But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the half got forensic evidence and they're just. Putting this out there to see what else they can get. It's interesting that the German police have said they clearly. This is a murder investigation. The participation of always called a missing persons inquired because they have no evidence. The child has been harmed. Sandra Dean competency if the initial investigation. Left to vacuum really which was filled by disgraceful media coverage, and these things combined left a trail of devastation that we haven't even have time to go into here. People's lives ruined off. They were falsely accused of abductee madeline. And even the case of a woman who took her own life after the media reported on her trolling of the family. And, of course, the awful treatment of the mccanns themselves. But up until now belly, any new Fox have emerged in this case, so what has sustained the story for quite so long? I think it's a combination of factors. This is a beautiful little girl on holiday in Portugal and those images of that child. Amend people by the newspapers when she's on the front cover. That's a fat, so that's one reason it's code on. I think also her parents have persisted. In in pursuing. What happened to her? Trying to find out what's happened to her and. Maybe, his annoyed some people, but. To their mind. I'm sure that they want to know what happened to their daughter. In their hope, tenacity has been extraordinary. In terms of the criticism about other cases, don't receive. This kind of attention is interesting that Bruckner is now suspected of the abduction and killing a four children including Madelyn so. If if this case is solved, you can see how possibly the cases of three other murder children might also be sold and. That would be great testament to the tenacity of the mecom parents. Will it mean for the family for this case to be concluded D think. I sure for the family I think. They said they talked on the tenth anniversary about their hope that. The continued hope that she was still alive, and their belief that she was still in i. Don't realize how strong your until you have no option and I think that's very true. Obviously. Mazda van Slyke this. Calls, a lot reaction a lot of trauma and upset. But ultimately. You have to keep going and especially when you've got other children involved. Model is now less than it was almost ten years ago when it was quite touching. The Joe mixon spoke about. The extraordinary stories of people who'd been abducted thing in their youth in their childhood, and who had since been found alive like Jaycee Dugard in California. It was found. In two thousand and nine, after being -ducted at age of eleven, and he said at the time and this interview to Sky News that he thought that that would be what would happen Maryland some of the scenarios with other people who've been abducted and cat. That's just so unbelievable that you think. Hike adopt. and. That's probably what's. Going to happen with Matlins case and when you hear that, and then you, you see what's happening now. You just feel this pain for them, but I think also the family have said they do just want to know now to have some peace so knowing better than not knowing. Esther it's clear that a conclusion to this case would mean so much mccown family. But. What do you think this would mean for a country? That is still so obsessed with this case. What it would mean. In a broader senses you know if someone were to be convicted It would obviously be a great vindication to them who have had to suffer for a long time under suspicion am. Very unfairly and by the, and it would also I, think be. A moment, probably Britney's look at little bit and say well. You know I did that happen. How did that happen? People, were pointing I that actually? And there was no evidence to implicate them and yet they had to. Suffer what they did did that happen? You can read more about the latest developments in the model Mccann case and fully Sandra esters reporting on other stories at the Guardian Dot Com. That's Today. I'm this week. This episode was produced by Joshua, Kelly and Courtney UCF sound design was by Axel Katie. He executive producers a film may not and Nicole Jackson have a lovely weekend and we'll be back on Monday.

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The Evening Briefing: Thursday June 4

The Briefing

02:14 min | 5 months ago

The Evening Briefing: Thursday June 4

"Good evening I'm Chris Priced with the briefing from the Telegraph. It's Thursday, June, the fourth and German. Prosecutors say they think Madeleine McCann is dead. It's the statement. Any parent dreads German prosecutors say they're treating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as a murder inquiry, and we've learned more about the German man suspected of being involved in her disappearance. He's been named as Christian be, and he's being described as a sexual predator. Who has convictions for many offenses against children is thought he may have been a German. Man Convicted of raping an American tourist in pre deluge two years before Madeleine vanished. We have everything you need to know about the suspect. Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for the mccanns hinted this breakthrough his the most significant in the thirteen years since she vanished, they've been countless twists and turns in the search for the truth. Montana Evans Reconstructs how the investigations have led to the discovery of the new suspect. If you're having to use public transport to get to work. He will need to wear a face covering from June the fifteenth, then e policy was announced by transport secretary grant shops at this evening Stoney Street press conference. The move comes as the next phase of easing lockdown expected to happen on June the fifteenth and it comes as Downing Street Admit Sports Johnson may have to self foster late. He and Chancellor Richie soon. Commit with Bitten Secretary Alex Shaw this week. WHO's awaiting the results of corona virus test. And, if you've still your sights on that summit gets away. You could bag a ballgame. The cost of flying to Europe will plummet this summer as airlines offer cut-price. Exclusive for search for the Telegraph shows peak season Balkans, vigil, and August Larussa set to remain into September. Right. Stay put if you're listening on WHATSAPP Messenger. Those links now and if you're listening on spotify apple, or why Vegan Post your been the show news as well as thanks to some non corona virus material, including the Duchess of Sussex, giving his speech to students about the protests, following the death of George Floyd and how a naked baby on the cover of Nirvana's nevermind album transformed rock. That's it. You're up-to-date. Danny will have your next briefing tomorrow morning.

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The Morning Briefing: Friday, June 5

The Briefing

02:34 min | 4 months ago

The Morning Briefing: Friday, June 5

"Halloween Danny Boyle with the briefing from the Telegraph. It's Friday June, the fifth and we've learned vital mistakes in the Madeleine McCann inquiry. So it was an error that meant the prime suspect in Madeleine Mackenzie abduction spent a decade liberty. It's emerge. The German man suspected of murdering the three-year-old was investigated by Portuguese police, but he was discounted just months after her disappearance, the suspects been named as Christian be. He'd been living near Pride Deluge when Madeleine vanished in May, two thousand and seven. We've been hearing that. He had a reputation as a bit of a Flash Harry, but it turns out. The reality was murky a much much murky. Ah, how chief repulsive Robert Mandate has the inside story. What happens next and while German detectives of seeking witnesses, but they're a long way from challenging the suspect. We'll have the latest throughout the day. And what about the? Mackenzie, will they soon closure? While? It's thirteen years since Madeleine disappeared, and her bedroom remains untouched. Joe Shoot profiles. A family frozen in time, still searching for answers. Now Onto Corona virus and the head of G H accused issued a warning about foreign states. The director of Britain's spy agency says there have been attempts to steal information about Britain's vaccine project out defense correspondent dominate Nichols reports on what states going to and how? And if you're a man losing your head, this isn't a cheery one. I'm afraid there's emerging evidence that suggests bald men may be at higher risk of suffering severe covid nineteen symptoms. Scientists have been at a loss to explain why men are twice as likely as women to dully after being diagnosed increasingly though they think it's to do with hormones linked to hair loss. We've explained what we know about the science. Whereas if you're listening, WHATSAPP will send you those links now. If you're listening on spotify lower wherever you get your podcast, you'll find them in the show notes as well as links to some non corona virus material, including the latest on the black lives matter protest cleanup operation in London and how Penny Lancaster's joined the police. You could say she's from road to applaud. That's it. You're up-to-date will have your second briefing of the day this evening.

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Ep 75 - Netflix Is Fucking Us Up

The Tiny Meat Gang Podcast

1:22:32 hr | 1 year ago

Ep 75 - Netflix Is Fucking Us Up

"What's up guys? We're gonna team g podcast. This is actually last week's episode. If you want today's episode that'll be on our patriot right now, you can get a week early. If you contribute. It's patriots dot com slash tiny meet gang. So thanks. If you do that. And if not enjoyed this one who's apologize before we get started. Why? Because I had to coffees this morning, you idiot. Oh, yeah. I'm like on the I'm on the verge. You've of his melting down into an awful panic can dumb, dick. I can't breathe. Yeah. I might just start convulsing. Yeah. Made episode. I don't know, man. I've that's the thing about Dixit. I've I've not had anxiety really in the last month. That's good. I don't know what I did. But it works. You solved. It my. Maybe. Maybe I don't know. I'm figuring figuring it out. You know what? I was. Sorry. Go ahead. I was just going to say pussy as cancer in it. What? Yeah. What? Yeah. What do you mean? It's got cancer in it pussy pussy. Yeah. So can you get cancer from eating pussy? Yeah. But you know, you can't get cancer from is blowing your broS. So I was gonna say eating asks. Now, you can get cancer from that too. Just a weird form of Ivan Watson too, many molestation documentaries. Do you watch the Michael Jackson one? I did. Yeah. Those like weeks ago, man, you all you're in Hawaii enjoying life. Shit scarred. By my. I'd man I said it's the bonus episode, but they would they described was molested is not the word is deeper than that. Yeah. That was a fan fiction. What do you mean all the shit? They were saying it's like, oh, you know, he liked it when I bent over and rubbed his nipples. And it was real like, you know, I didn't think they had to go there. It's just like, oh, man. And makes it so much worse to their splicing in like as they're describing this stuff. There's a splicing in pictures of close up of Michael's face. And you're all because he looks awful. You know, crazy, no matter how much you like Michael Jackson's music. You can't get around the fact that he's a fucking scary. Looking do fucked up his face, really? Yeah. Now, all of a sudden, it's like, yeah. You liked it? When I rubbed his nickels nickels. He liked it. When I rubbed his nipples. And then it's like, it's just a close up of his just like, oh, man. Oh. I just picture his nipples are just two of his noses. They took skin from his face to replace his nipples. He's got weird. Yeah. Not only want to go down that path. Yeah. Those do just go into full detail. Yeah. So do you know all the drama with how they've like with Wade Robson? No. So he. The story is that he tried to sue before for like a billion dollars in the judge threw the case out. And then he applied to be like, creative director for the circus. Soleil, Michael Jackson, like one dance or whatever like do work for Michael basically, still in death. So that's where people from Michael Jackson's estate challenge. His like his claims like, oh, he's just trying to get money. That's what they're saying. Right. Then that that could very well be a spin. Oh, I think what's fucked up about now a fucked up, but like the his family like breaking apart. That's real. Okay. Wait. I haven't seen are two or three. Oh, there's only two parts. Okay. Yeah. Whose family them you'll find up I know, but just tell me. Hold on. I'm going to set the timer. I forgot you in. Wade his family breaks up. Yeah. He doesn't speak to his family anymore. You'll see you'll get the full details. Okay. Yeah. So that's that's real whatever. So what I started watching last night was the Arkle documentary. And oh, yeah. Okay. Man. Okay. Man. How Musab is that he's like dislike some cult leader shit as far as like as far into his? I've got oh also Michael Jackson shit is pretty much in my opinion as bad as gets come on. Dude aren't Kelley should is way. Worse. He wasn't fucking seven year old boys, dude. But he was he like pretty much these kids captive too. Didn't he he just didn't like a super charming way. For some reason. The parents were like yet. Sure, you can babysit my child weeks at a time. Yes. And then are less him, but are Kelly would do shit like like he would get a fourteen year old girl like multiple them and like hold them hostage and like beat them. If they disobeyed him and. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Like, it was it was like actual like like there's there was nothing. No, no, hidden, whatever about it. I like you're my property is like that's how he's actually shit. Yeah. She's was wild was it like when when you look at the victims in that documentary man there, you know, I think that was the biggest thing was in the Michael Jackson documentary. Those guys you look at them, and they you could tell they know it's fucked up, but they were so young that there's still a part of them. That's like still processing like or like, you know, there's like a clear there's something wrong in their mind that when they talk about him, they still have affinity for him. But they know what he did to them as fucked up. That's I mean, that's kinda how I see the Michael Jackson shit too. No, no. I'm saying these two dude I'm saying they oh they do. Yeah. For some reason, they still like, I don't know like the families didn't seem that like remorseful. That kills my thing. That to dude psych. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you kind of have to like put on this weird like like memory guard when you're talking about this shit. Yeah. Right. Like, some part of your brain has like block out the trauma and something like that. But they still con- like that's why I think like you apply for. That's why I think that maybe that guy applied for a job to be working on his. Yeah. Michael Jackson ship because he was like such a big part of his life. Yeah. And he and he's and he goes and he says that in the second half. And but that's what is significantly different is when you look at our Kelly's victims they are. So like when they cry they are like broken humans. The you could just tell they'll bring up a word or ask them about something. And they just they like freeze, and they kind of cry, but they don't wanna talk. And then we ask him for details. It's just too humiliating. They say, I really can't. That's something. I just really don't want to discuss. And they just break down because of how beauty brutal. He was to them. You know? So then how could he how can that do go on live TV and say, he's not a monster? He's not all these things is it literally just to save face before he goes jail yet. So you're convicted or whatever, you know, was crazy is he had a a wife while he married some girl. First of all he tried to marry a Lia at fifteen. Yeah. Weird. And then he married a woman later, and he was still, you know, he had girls on the side and stuff, and he brought a girl home like just those part of his positives. A backup singer and sparkle and his wife knocks on the door. And and the eventually it opens, and they're all in the living room watching TV, and there's the kitchen in this room. She says hi just wondering if I could get some food and R Kelly thinks about it. He goes. Yeah. Come on in like, he would he that's what he would hold over their head. And it just this crazy, and he's doing this to fourteen year old girls this this producer that worked with him. He said he came down at a point or came to a point where he came to the studio, and he would look and all these rooms and there's sixteen and seventeen year old girls in every room of the studio. And he you know, he goes to some other producer ever. Then he said what the fuck is going on in here. All these little kids doing he would go to his fucking form. Our Kelly's running a high school out of the studio. God it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like an after school program. Just pro he would hang he will go back to his former high school and just straight pit girls up. An air in everyone. Just didn't know what to do. And people would talk about it with no one will believe it and he called himself the pied piper. That in the, you know, the myth of the pied pipers of Weiser you'd like play music to like lure kids like to follow him and be like their leader. And to take them away from their parents. Yeah, he's I'm only on episode two. And Honey does is six Jesus was that the Michael Jackson, doc? I watched the Madeleine McCann documentary. I don't want a really don't wanna kid now. Yeah. Do they're going to disappear and get fucked by somebody or just don't let them hang out with weird famous people. Yeah. But that's kinda mad isn't going to be real number one. The Madeleine McCann documentary made me think there's just child, rapists everywhere. Yeah. The they is at the duct in plain sight one. No, there's that one too. What if I buy what if I get what's what these? What's what's with? So there was like in Hollywood trends, like true crime documentaries in and all that shit like making a murder and all the came out. And now, it's true crime documentaries about m- child molesters. Yeah. Every fucking network. So now. Everyone's a pedophile. Yeah. Do what what if I have a kid and I suddenly become vulnerable. And some dude game's me up, and he gets me to give him a hand job that he FOX my kid. I mean happens to the best of happened in the past. You know? What's funny is like how weird all this shit is in hindsight. But how like in the like when you're watching the Michael Jackson thing. And you're like, dude, how did no one think that having your own personal theme park. It's fucking weird at the time. Yeah. Like oh. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's yeah. That's cool. If I had like a billion dollars. Maybe maybe I'd get my own personal Disneyland. Yeah. To win in hindsight is all no. It's too Lert children. Obviously it is to fuck kids. When the moment, you're like. Yeah. I mean, no roller coasters or anything. No. It's just a giant hedge. That says never land. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Gosh, sure. I see that. I I wonder if in ten years the Drake Diller documentary comes out. Yeah. Exactly exactly that shit with Millie Bobby Brown that and the other girl that model that he was commenting on her pictures and just sixteen. Yeah. Everybody's a man. What the it? I. Manage should made me want to vomit which are Kelly being thirty one and like charming of seventeen year old girls weird. And like the music producers like took the words out of my mouth. He he's like, you know. It you can just tell when someone's you just know it it doesn't matter. How much makeup the had like, you just know it, and I'm like, yeah. Yeah. You do like does. It does innocence about being seventeen that's fucking creepy. And I never saw that interview. He did it like a well known interview with with eleo, the they're like dress the same in their matching clothes, they're asking them like direct questions like saw you guys together. And she's like, oh, he's just my best friend. I was like it just like, you know. And then of course, or I hit song as age ain't nothing, but a number. Hey, wasn't ignition remix about or ignition was about. Did you see the the should that has old lawyer said, nah, his old lawyer is like on his deathbed? And so he was like fuck. Fuck client. Yeah. But jelly, or whatever he was like he's guilty as hell he said that the lawyer I don't want. I don't know if this is true or not this is just like what I read the lawyer had to change the lyrics to ignition because it was like. About fucking kids. Basically, his lawyer was a you can't you can't release this. Oh, you're released this instead and like rewrote it send it back to him. Why? Barely. That's what I don't know. If that's true or not bad. It's funny. Damn well. Yeah. So the the Madeleine McCann one that one is brutal grant, you know, granted I do put a little I don't want to add fuel to fire kind of thing. But or be an asshole just on the outside. So that was a huge case. I didn't know that it was back in two thousand seven. Yeah. I don't know anything about this. It's fucking spoiler alert cause the documentary kind of drags you could sum it up right here. Smell and McCann is Z young British girl. She's like two years old two three years old and her parents went to Portugal with some friends, and they all had kids, and they had some mutual agreement that they would put the kids to bed, and then they will go to this restaurant in the resort, and they would just leave their kids, and they would take turns checking on the kids. Okay. So, you know, the mom Madeleine McCann's mother goes back to her room during the check and she sees the the doors kind of open, and then madeleine's gone, and then there two twins who are newborns are still there and the windows open. So it sparks this huge case. And it basically turns out that that head of the authority. That's kind of looking over the investigation is super corrupt, and he basically just kind of starts. They start pointing fingers at everybody. Okay. And it's cra- is a great example of how the media just fucking. Just ruins people for the sake of click bait like from day one Portugal's just like covered in fucking reporters. And there's this political pressure to not make it seem like Portugal is a child abduction place. So they just painted on the parents, and they they make them prime suspects. And they start just kind of feeding Portuguese media weird information and and shit that was just very not true. Like they had a DNA test and the people doing the test were in the UK. And they said all right. Big asterisk here. We wait until the findings are official because as of right now that it's whatever and they just reported they found DNA haired van Diener. So they just kind of slandered, you know, this couple and they uses to your kid gets up -ducted. Yeah. And all of a sudden that's not bad enough. You're the fucking says back and because of some media bullshit. Yeah. And. And and people would, you know pressure them into why did you leave the kids there, and this and that so a couple like private investigators start doing a lot of work, and and they them and some other investigation firms kind of piece together that there were twenty seven other identical Kate like child abduction cases as he think. Or is that me, let's you. Oh, it is me. So we talked to Cellamare hitter. Anyway. Yeah. Twenty seven other cases, just like hers and that dude who pinned it on the parents. He was fired from another PD like police department or whatever nearby because the exact same thing happened. And he did the exact same thing when he couldn't figure out the case, he pinned it on the parents, he beat the shit out of the parents that he had someone come in and beat them up while they were in custody and like force of a confession. Yeah. Yeah. So what? So then one of these P is. He he's like yo that guy's corrupt bet. You he tries to pin on the parents homes fucked up here. So he gets an interview with the the uncle of the daughter from the previous case his cellmate. So the couple that got thrown in jail after getting the shit beat out of them. The wife got the ship out of her or or the mother sorry. It was the mother and her and her brother. So the kids ankle the kids will his cellmate gets interviewed by the pre one of these private investigators. And he goes, yeah. That guy has a picture of that of the kid the kid is still alive. He gave her he gave his niece away for a lot of money. And he kept talking about how he's got a lot of money. So it doesn't matter that he's in jail when he gets out. He's rich. Yeah. He's like I for sure seen pictures of her like recent pictures, like he has them like in his in his cell, and they try to interview again, he got freaked out. And like you just ghosted him. So then they start thinking. Okay. The then they they go down the rabbit hole further and they start figuring out. There's these weird. There's this weird web of witnesses were like, yeah. There were people here asking for donations of because they're trying to raise money for an orphanage. But every single person said when they asked him what orphanage they couldn't tell him and got weird, and they they walked away one lady she answered the door this creepy guys soliciting her for money. She comes down the next day that fullest standing in the living room looking at her kid, and she chases him out of the fucking like whatever apartment or staying in. Okay. So basically, they kind of developed his theory that there's this pedal ring that is like nabbing. Little British girls for because it's probably top dollar like to get a little blonde white girl to put on an and then people start these child. I guess it's a big deal Portugal is like a stopping point for child trafficking. And that's something that the Portuguese government doesn't want to acknowledge his so close like Morocco and other places and people are saying that the way Portugal is set up like geographically is that you can take a kid they'd be another country in two hours. So by the time, you realize your kid could be just well into the fucking. Yeah. That's scary. As fuck. Yeah. What does it talk mentoring on? It's on. Netflix is a new. Yeah. It's fucking Jesus Christ. Yeah, dude. Yeah. I'm never if I if I have kids, I'm never taking them to right, right? I'm fucking dude. I'm gonna have my kid like just just bolstered to my fucking chest. So that did they arrest anyone or anything do to this day? Their parents are still like raising money and spend money to try to find her. Twelve years, dude. That's crazy. And and and they they were telling uplifting stories at the end. There were crazy cer- some people adopted twenty years later, they come back to their parents. Yeah. Yeah. So wait was this was the was this police chief or whatever was he involved in the pedal ring is that why he's like, no they like the way this documentary kinda painted, Emily. He just kind of a corrupt piece of shit. So he got canned from the the second PD like his doing, the Madeline canvas the Gatien he goes and writes a fucking book and a documentary, you just Leah and use money. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then they had a judge season desisted than like an appellate court overturned it and all that shit. All this on Netflix where every person's gonna be fucked up there. You know, the average person that consumes Netflix Content's everyone's a pedophile or you don't get involved in any just means that like are like the generation that's coming up like our kids. We're just going to be the biggest helicopter parents of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Just like my kid just constantly on a leash. Yeah. It's this if freak me out thinking 'cause their stories of people doing it in Disneyland. Yeah. Like just like snatching up a kid like putting clothes on him. Just running him out the brief in fucking Neverland. Yeah. Which is crazy. Do that at Neverland that play seems so sick. I know I took my kid there. And then lo and behold, Michael Jackson is the blue do you? Remember the first time you heard them. I go Jackson has his own theme park. Yeah. What did you think was after all the pedophile or the after all the molestation accusations came out? I so. You know against this. 'cause it's gonna give something away about me. Okay. Okay. Okay. But yeah. Two times the first time it was like, yeah. You know, he's got a an in the second time was like he's a fucking sicko. Yeah. Don't talk about that place. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the first time I ever heard. I was like, oh, that's that's cool personal theme park. Yeah role. I was thinking roller coasters and shit like that. And then after all that is Asians came out. I saw the get like a bird's eye view like a satellite image of the place. It's like, oh, that's creepy. You know, it's really creepy is. So I would you know, I would dance on Michael Jackson's a kid. Okay. All the time. You have been one. Yeah. It would have been on chosen, you know of says before. But if I knew I could have been his Tuesday bitch. Fox too far. Oh god. Mom, get the camera. I don't want to do this podcast thing. I don't gotta wait till I'm you know, twenty one to get famous because I'm twenty one. Anyway. So when my mom, I tell me about that theme park. I thought it was so cool had a dream. I went to that theme park. Really? And in my dream. I mean, it was not as cool as what actually, but you know, the you picture like rides and shit, right? In my mind. It was. It was like it was almost like a zoo. Just had Hello like exotic animals just like like in the open. I thought it was just like held to cans and Tigers ensure knows just should that's a legal. Then like crazy. Yeah. And I woke up like man that would be so cool. I wish I could go there. Yeah. Yeah. Then, you know, Michael Jackson fingers are but. But yeah, yeah. It's it's weird. You know, maybe maybe it's better. Now that. 'cause you fucking BDO talks about how there's no mainstream media anymore. Like, you can't be a superstar. And all that said you like it's a superstar like Michael Jackson or Kelly or whatever is a lot more rare. You know, like that level of power, you know, and then they always kind of spiel it now, it's all neat now. It's youtubers. And maybe it's better that way. Maybe it's more, you know, people won't get fucking, you know. Annihilated by people. They look up to. Yeah. They're cheeks and emotions, okay? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Do you know what I was watching on the way over here? I know what you're thinking that. Yes, I do watch YouTube videos in my car. Of course. No. I wasn't a hat kind of had it. You know, just like listening to the audio, sir. Yeah. Like, a podcast, Logan pulse. Flat earth documentary, which just dropped dude. Yeah. Hot off the press shit. Yeah. And I don't know if it came out today or yesterday or whatever but someone like the Senate to yesterday. Okay. So someone sent it to me and was like, yo you should watch this, blah, blah, blah. And so I pulled the tweeden. It says it says here it is my flat earth documentary like the internet will never be the same. Yeah. So do nobody asked for this. You can't pretend like something. Like this is as impactful as it is when nobody asked for. You know what I'm saying? We'll get some degree of anticipation futile to really like rock the internet or like the world, you know. Yeah. Literally. It's just you being like, oh, I should go make a documentary about flatter Thor's that that's like doing a documentary about. Like fucking vaccinating your kids. Yeah. I thought what knows it's fucking it doesn't cause autism. But I thought it was a mock you memory is it a mockumentary. Yeah. Like, I thought this what it ended up being like it was like him like basically baiting everyone into believing that. He's a flag. Good all this shit. Okay. Yeah. Good. But it's just like I'm like this is a forty five minutes set up for a really bad Joe. Yeah. It's just a goofy bit. I don't think he's a good bit. Yeah. I mean, I don't know man to put that much effort into it. Then it kind of becomes now. Because of a good bit. It's not a good big as you don't really own it. He just all he said was I think I'm a flatter there. And then he just took a bunch of close with people being like man Logan Paul's a dip shit. And then that's it. Like, he didn't like he didn't really own it and double down on it and really take people to the Bank with a that to me. Then would have been a good bit. You know, if he was. If he like did a log where he's talking about the earth is flat. Everyone goes you got young impressionable kids watching your content Logan, and blah, and he does it again. And then he's like, oh, a fucking pranked y'all then I think it would have been good, but just to be like letter, and that's a little more effort fair enough. Yes. See this is what happens when you watch something for twenty seconds. It's all right. But I remember like the first one of the first lines is conspiracy theories. Spiracy theories. We've all heard them. I was like. Yeah. Logan. That's the most high school essay way too. Spiracy theories. We've all heard them yet. Then like, but what about the people that believe them? Yeah. Bigfoot area. Fifty one my area do is the nineties who's talking about area fifty one now. Did you Jones? Did you hear that as a kid growing up? Yeah. Yeah. But you know, I don't think you hear that. Now. I haven't heard that terminal long when he's aliens that to me was just that's how that's how Hollywood got us on independence day. What if you made a movie about area fifty one? Conspiracy theories we've all heard them. That's true. That's actually true, though, we have all heard them. Logan's on some real shit. No one trusts the government. Why would they? They don't always get it. Right yemen. They don't that's actually, you know, now that I think about it like that damn. They don't tell us everything fucking. This guy is do the stress cut. He's he's calling. He's calling out the big shit. Yeah. There's some of the dumb YouTube. Oh, eight real quick. Speaking of controversy, everyone. I didn't realize how many Meli fans we head. Okay. Yeah. What was the deal? It's everyone goes, oh, he has split personality show some. Yeah. But no that part is is scary. Okay. Or weird. He he's basically just schizophrenic in plain sight. I don't really think he is maybe his fans like trying to find a reason why he would kill two people. Yeah. Like people dismissing the shit that in interviews these acts did well like what like after the shit like just claiming his girlfriend faked everything. And all I mean, there's that everything I don't think people talk about what I've seen is. Not anyone being like, oh, it's an excuse. It's more like. Someone should have looked at this. You'll this kid needs fucking help. Like, he's just an interviews this one creeped me out like they go. Oh, you got multiple personalities like multiple personalities came up. He's a. Yeah. Ghassem? And they're like you do and then the squirrels like tell us about them. She's he's like, I can only tell you about three because the other lady kind of starts like articulating why he can't talk about the other personnel. So it doesn't seem like kid booth thing where he's I got cloned Boban. Now, it's like real it seems split to me. Yeah. It's like this kid, very easily could have been schizophrenic, and there were multiple instances where he publicly says something fucking weird and everyone in the room is like like what like what it it? Just kind of seems unrelated like or he'll kind of silly Yemen split personality. Melvin you know, he just become an out and people say. What every every time? It happens. Everyone in the room is like that's not really related like it says he could tell there's a stale air that's like. Guy. So this isn't like a non this is not like, oh when I get drunk not been comes. No, no, no, no. It's not like that. At all a big thing him in a room. Laughing at schizophrenia. But like him in a room with three other people. That are like, yeah. Let's get wasted do book in all Nellie is coming out tonight. Well depends. You know, it depends. How fucked up I guess because if we're lucky Melvin might come out tonight, and you know Melvin. Always trying to send some money. Yeah. Dude. So I guess he killed his friends before murder on my mind came out. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Or no, no, no. It was whatever I read that too. So it was both know is inverted. Okay. He made the song. And then he did it. So it was like the song was not related to like his actions kinda thing, right? Still looking weird still like I'm thinking about murder. Yes. Yeah. It's not like I'm thinking about the murder that I did. It's more. I'm thinking about my future murder the one I might do. No, no. No, no. So I don't know about the split personality. Should this really is a cause? I just read a couple of comments where it was like people on Reddit shipping. Like, well, actually, you know, I'll have you know, that y n w Meli actually has like a split personality disorder, and I'm like these are just fans making shit. Just like justify and their own mind. Why this person will do bad things? I think it's a to me what I guys people saying like you'll this dude the whole time what like needed medical help. And like nobody would. Everyone's just like y'all this shit is fi. Yeah. But he's like, yeah. Melvin is fire. This should come out more. No, no. He's sick. Yeah. I know fucking sick. I know I fucked with all of the dudes in. Yeah. Whatever the fuck. He's got more of it. Shit bangs you'd I love this song. Because it's like why w on the verse. But then Melvin comes out on. The course you know, what I'm saying because it's like hardest. Look, and you know, meldons really about it. Right. You know, Melvin is about it. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. His last name is demons broke demons. Yeah. No. Yeah. Melvin demons did await his that's his split personality isn't melting government name. But then kills by Mel. I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, hey conspiracy theories. We've all heard we've all heard them. We don't really have. It's crazy. How life is like that man. We've all heard these things out Chicago. And you know, I've never like really really party the Saint Patrick's Day only a couple of good. It was good. I'm done partying then. Yeah. It's taken taken a toll take into toll on your body. Don't even have. I don't know. It was. I mean, it was fun. Definitely fun. But it is like I'm getting too old for this. Really? You had to old for this shit where you wake up and start drinking and just drink all day. You know? Yeah. Some college shit. It really isn't tool for that. Really is some kids shit some kids shits some kids should. Yeah. Exactly. Let some kids stuff. Yeah. Kids stuff. Yeah. Was that firm again, Doug? Right. Relief. God, Dan, did your mind is just stuck in these molestation? Documentaries. You really got his data. Check them on this little crazy. I never I've never had. I don't could you be sold into jerking someone off now. Now, what do you mean? Like, do you figure dude could really con you into jerkin them off? No like, I'm just imagining what how much is he offering though. No. It's like, no. He didn't offer the dude any money. Okay. Okay. He got him to do it out of now. I know that but I'm saying like how like in this hypothetical situation like how much is he offering? None just he's offering you the the ability to bring him peace. I mean, I'm not doing it for. I that's what I'm saying. So there's a price what you're a home. You're a fucking ho. I'm not saying I'd do it for money or not for money. I'm just saying what is he offering? Should we should take a break, actually? Yeah. And that and that's not a knock on sex trafficking. I mean say I mean, I damn it. I do not sex trafficking. I'm not not not a knock on sex workers. Yeah. Not oh my God. I'm not knocking sex trafficking. Don't do dry. It's only out of context say you're a ho in that there's a there's a price on on your bugging on your morals or your. I'm not saying there is or there isn't I'm saying in this high pathetically. What is he offering? I was like to pick an amount that's like just on the edge. So what? Forty eight hundred dollars. I'd do it for that. Forty eight hundred bucks, man. That's like just a brand deal. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. That's like what doing the seatgeek read while you're jagged money. Speaking of ED's we're going to go to the break. See to say, ladies and gentlemen. Today's a special day. We got a couple of sponsors to think. Yeah. We do a few actually. Yeah. We wanna thank set it off express VPN first and foremost speeds admitted you think that cybercrime is something that happens to other people. 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For fifty percent off your first year get paid faster works smarter with Honey book dotcom, promo code tiny Tian, y and we're back men that Ye guy just came everywhere. Thank god. He didn't put any of my ask. Because Lord knows. I can't get any more come in there. No packed full stuff really stuffed full of come. So I recently, actually, I haven't reason I'm lying. Scene. Three gonna jerk. What's up just podcast? Right. Just looking at some porn real quick is. Yeah. It was just browsing. You know, all this talk about jobs and everything got me turned up a little bit. Like, we said a so cutting we want making the bonus episodes is fun because you know, we put a little I don't know. There was like either a kind of a theme, you know, we trying to spice as it was fun. So we were thinking I'm spicing up. The next bonus episode by watching all the shocker porn that at least I receive. I didn't watch any of it. Because like a lot of people were just phrased it in ways that was like I'm not going to consume this tonight. How did I not send you this one? I saw last night on my God, you've probably seen you honestly, some person the EMMY link or some shit, and I clicked on it. And it's just this girl and she's bent over. And so the the shots from the back. Right. So she's bent over far enough where you only see her ass and on the table. She's like squatting in front of a table and on it is a plate with an open hot dog bun with relish and. Mustard and catch up like, you know, it's all dressed up as he's been really. I haven't seen this coming. She poops out a hot dog and just land on the bun perfectly. And is poop. It's a hot dog is. All right. Adam her as it's like them, and it's super clean. It's like the most innocent shocker porn Evert on my that's open. You're like oh God. Then you're like oh. I would do eat that weird. What I eat it. I mean how much we talk. What is being offered to eat? It guys Cody can be bought. That's all it takes is five grand. Yeah. Five grand? Yeah. Say. Two hundred bucks. Three forty. I'll have my nigga. My lawyer negotiate a little bit four four four. Yeah. Def couple plug ins couple do universal audio plug ins. That's my fav- do that as my favorite shit, the whole like, you know, would you suck a for million dollars and give you a million a million is auto? Yes. Yeah. That's like for most people. Yeah. It's like a dick for a million dollars. I mean, not me personally. Most people most people's like, yeah, it's a million dollars. It's like it's like, you know, that to me is just a way of asking your friend is like you're saying. You have like in this theoretical place like change your life. Forever. Would you suck? A dick would you? Yeah. Yeah. This is trying to get your furnace suck. My dick not same. My dick per se. I mean, I met him unless like that make. Whatever. Yeah. This is trying to fantasize your boy. So you wouldn't do there is a con dealt man. So there's a context there's some parallel universe where you're sucking. My dick right now weird Oregon say about shocker in. Well, no, I I like asking the question with you know, a an amount. That's like. Yeah. It makes you bite your teeth. You see that? Personal really really not attracted to. Fucking for. Six hundred dollars. I like that next grade. Anyway, shocker porn. We're we're talking about doing the voters have where we watch all the shocker porn and react to it. And it's going to be on the screen. You know, would you watch that? Would you watch that? Yeah. Because it's it's it's going to be gross shit. It's going to be like actual shit is going to involve in actual shit. There's that one that no one sent us. We'll try to mix it up. You know? We'll get it. If you're into this idea. Send us some shocker porn at the steamy tweets account. Okay. St. me, ask tweets K. Right. And we'll see you get a general consensus. We'll do a little Twitter poll. Yeah. I think it was just before I just had to be too long. Just ten minutes of you know, maybe we try this out on patron. And then we. Yeah. The bonus episode. But then then if it really works we start a series on porn hub is gonna be porn hubs first reaction series where we just want. Like, we go on like e FOX and watch all the funniest porn. And we just we what we call it. That's crazy. As we gotta we gotta differentiate here. Yeah. Or that's that's saucy or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a. Oh, that's porn. That's poor. That's foreign. Maybe that's what we put. That's gross. We bring back that girls. That sounds like it sounds like a like a early two thousands, porn compilation. Yeah. Now, that's porn. It's gotta be. Oh now. That's born. Yeah. Oh, no. That's porn. Oh now. That's what I call porn. Have you seen? Oh, five yet. Oh, oh, seven was. Crazy. It was having was nuts peak. Yeah. Yeah. Also. Well, then we just take it all the way. Yeah. Sixty nine and then that's where we end. Yeah. Idea as well. With your boys. You know, nothing more uncomfortable than watching porn. Hated that real always aided that in elementary school Gillette's watches like. Gillette's watches is like just six of us in here, man. Why are we doing this? Why would you like trying to push it down? You're like stop stop it. I don't wanna be hard with friends hard with friends, bro is made me really uncomfortable. Oh man group of friends did that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every every time every dude group. Buddy. Danny. I remember we got talking about that in high school, and we're just laughing about it. And he goes, dude, I remember I was in a room. And you know, I was way in the back. And he he just was like looking at the backs of all his friends, and he like it just got really quiet and the silence freak me the fuck out. So he just got up and left like he lived close up those plays. He was like YoM outta here. And they're like, oh what no dude? Like, nah. And he just left. It's just getting started. No, I'm cool. That's on the gang is called. Yeah. Yeah. Later. Bus down at home. Plus it down home y'all could buzz down. Yeah. How is he as a team? But i'm. Oh my God. Dude. Fucking blue face and NAR. Came out today. It's so funny man, blue face has no idea who Nour's really zero idea. No idea. Okay. The whole time. He's like, man. He's like like your swag. You've got like a weird thing going. Like Nardo comes up to him at south by south west and goes, hey, can we get an interview and blue phases? Like, I'm sure you actually, really nice guy. Okay. Yeah. It's pretty funny. Just funny like having. No because every like, he's such a legend. Yeah. Every rappers like, oh my God. Yeah. And they like the gifts and stuff. Yeah. Man. You got a lot of gifts. Yeah. Yeah. Weird the one that people always about is push t- just not giving a shit like when Ardmore like poses it. Then pushes like, I I don't want all these records. I want all this shit. So you like picks out the ones like I liked it. I'm gonna keep dis. But you have the. It doesn't grab it drops it on the floor and he walks away. That's why he does it though, those reaction. It's push me. And the oh them when Lucy vir- runs off on the interview that's pretty funny because he's clearly on Molly. Go back and watch that shit. He's rolling his fucking balls off after the interview. Yeah, I forget why did he take off running because he's freaking out, right? Yeah. Yeah. He was like this is too much and he like chases. Good. It's so funny, man. That's funny. Yeah. I gotta go peeved at telling me about rice gums family. This is some shit that came up on my recommended yesterday. Okay. Rice gums started as like a new channel. But it's called family gum, and it's like him and his girlfriend who who's dating him. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I got to see this family gum. Yeah. Family come definitely sat dad support series for sure. Fam- family come not just family gum family gum. That's also be a shocker porn link. Yeah. Family gum. Totally if your family gum. Yeah. Oh, whoa. What? Oh, God scrotum ill. I'm now the. What's that? What's that movie? Or I sat in gum. You know that quote now damn look at sat him gum. And then he just like stretches out his balls know what the fuck is at from dude. Oh waiting. No. Is it nine I'll think so it's it's. How I met my girlfriend story. Yeah. Asian mutt? Bang. Asian just racial muck. Bang just any race muck bang that sound. That's a great porn. It's a sounds bad. It really does. Can just imagine forty year old dads on porn hub, searching stepsister muck band. The the. How do I have guys? I saw muck Bank before. I mean, a gang notes amok thing. All you can eat stepsisters muck bang. And I say that because that's just what porn is now. Yeah. It's just stepsister shit do or just straight up sister shit its way deeper than that. What do you mean it just like can I retweeted this kid? He was like, I'm sick of porn hub. It's just like listening to my brother Jack off like it's not even that's what I've talked. It's not like sexy fake titles. It's like real fit like, wait. Why is she got her ear to the wall? Sacco who would get off to that? It's hot girl get off to watching a hot girl listening to her brother Jack off. That's the thing. Like, maybe if it's one thing, maybe if you get turned on by maybe like, some incestuous shit, whatever if that's your fetish, whatever. No, not whatever. I mean. It's weird. But like to get off by watching somebody listening to her brother. The wasn't even it would just like it was like my brother like walking in on my brothers. I just said listening, but that is infinite on your head. Not grow just sitting up to the wall. Just here. And you're making the same sounds him. It's almost like she's it's almost like she's listening to me Jack hall. And I'm her brother. Oh my God. Dude. Horn is fuck let's go on porn hub right now. And just see what's the fucking landing page. What's the most dudes are going to buy sex dolls and put them in the next room? And then jerk off. Dude. I don't I I got to be quiet my sex dolls listening. Jesus christ. Do these thumbnails are just fucking brutal. Mike multiple oozing cream pie. See that's normal. That's normal shit though that that's like the good old days of quotas. Fucking auto play gifts. I just saw five people getting. Why do? Somebody in. We look together. Oh my God. It's just like stumping stumping, somebody stopping out a Gobert pack fucking here, we go do four down sucking her step broS cock while he meditates what what what get out of here. You can't admit you cannot meditate while you're getting that's there's no way. I don't like this title. This is like a tweet. This is beautiful. Ask girl kept sucking after I nut it now. I had to cover the tweet, man. It's too honest. I don't like this. Way too weird to cover. What happens in the end? He asked her to be his girlfriend. He actually is the porn. Yeah. Yeah. I've been thinking. I mean, I'm not seeing anyone else. They start a couples Instagram in the video in the video. Yeah. Like, I can't Jack off to this this sucks, bro. This is this shit is to HD, homey. Fucking hell go the views on some of this shit is crazy sixteen million. Someone tweeted me the thumbnails is what is it parentheses? Wow. Head to fill that s with come. Oh my God. Wow. Wow. Oh, well, wow. Heads affiliated with g I just have fill that asquith. Come. She bent over. And I thought, wow, I just had to fill that asquith with come guilty as charged take me away, boys. I had to so weird plastic surgery. Commercial the testimonial. My wife's asked before was lose like just jamming it into an ironing board. But now when her with her brand new doctor Miami ass, I tell you when she bent over. I just had to fill that as with co with calm. She's as Christ porn is boy. Porn, crazy, man. Fucking crazy. Did warn is crazy. Yeah. I'm. Nah, porn is. So yet to work so hard, no pun intended for porn back in the day. Not really, but not really. Year we talking I'm like DSL wasn't that fast fast enough? I mean, what was your would you go? I wouldn't go to sites. I would use kazaa. Oh, no. I wouldn't do that. I would just I knew the virus was brutal. Okay. Because it was only it was only PC's bag. Yeah. That's how you get fucking viruses Trojan, horses and shit videos kazaa. I mean. Yeah idea where you're download. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. But I I didn't care. I'd gamble. A gamble. It away the old. This might fucking destroy my hard drive. The spanker gamble at that's known as or I might get to come Mike to come today. I take the old spanker gamble. It's so funny. How many new computers were as a were? As of a result of fucking some kid downloaded. Yeah. I just bought a Compaq last week. It is fucked up shit was smoking the disk drive this morning. What has happened just there? This twelve year old just like. Green. Yeah. Matrix shit on the screen. Ascii images of boobs fucking scrolling by the best buy guys just looks just looks at the kid. And like, I know I know what it is. But I have no idea how you got this. Got you. We were you looking at porn, sir. No. I would never. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, me get this stuff, and you have to be eighteen to go those websites. And clearly he's not doing that. So blame it on the dad one fuck in law is that website. It's gotta put that shit up. I know it's so funny. Such a funny regulation just a button that says, yes, yes, I am who goes to that. And just oh, damn no. I'm not doing, you know, everybody doesn't even work. I mean now modern sites they do something funny out of it. But before I think it would just like it would just hit back on your browser. Or just like like go to like some legal so funny. Yeah. It's fine. Thinking about like the nerd kid that fuck I'm going to see some Bubis. Here. We go opens at the porn link. No, I'm not eighteen. God I gotta dip. I think to this day where I grew up. There's a fuck, and there's a video rental place creepy as hell not creepy, but just like scallop, it's got a smut vibe in there. And they had the back room full of porn. And I'd never in a video rental place ever been in that section. I think I was like fucking twenty four. I'm like is with my friends, and my one of my friends used to love going there because it was like, right? Vice places like yeah. I don't know, man. I'm like, I you can just you can get free porn. He was like, no. I know the owners is great. It's fun to pick out a move out. Right. Like, yeah. Right. Okay. Did. Uh-huh. Okay. Katie you're really doing and just going in that room and thinking it was not as big of that that was going to be. I thought it'd be like the library of congress porn. I thought it was going to go there in the video store is going to be bigger. Yeah. Exactly. At least. And now it was just like a closet space. It's like goes in my dad's closet. I'm like, this is strange out of here. We're going to do. Get Boehner's looking at video covers not I mean, even just like to go in there and check out with that shit. See some Teddy's like you're you're a sicko what I'm saying. Like, you just roll up in their like, let me get a busty girls for this. And that just to go to the counter where they, hey. Hey, Don, is that the way it used to be? Yeah. I remember this bit on comedy central. This guy did about going in there. And getting like tapes, you know, and it's like, I think the bit was like it's supposed to be like in a in a black bag, but the fuck and. The lady like pulled out a clear bag, and he's like what the fuck. I was going to go do other shit. Now. I can't do anything. I gotta like get on the bus with this clear bag fucking. Can porn VHS. So good just like trying to cover it up or whatever. That's so good. Yeah. That's how people used to get it man v. Like like, well, then what would you do? Like, I can't imagine not just scrubbing to the part that you want. Now. I think people gotta wait your fast forward. It's always Janke go too. Far timid go back too far. Oh, yeah. Like VHS? Yeah. You put that shit. And it's all the way at the end. And you're like a one sit here amid rerun the should rewinding VHS is like the, hyper and you sit there for a while for your movie to go back to the start. Everyone bought like the standalone like shit that would just rewind it like I didn't have that tape reminder there. VHS? No, it's all you burned your VHS. People bought the tape reminders, and they were like five times faster. Oh, wow. Do then. But I wouldn't know that I'm twenty one. I just read about that on some nineties kids would know website, actually. We're not all my oldest shit. Dan. Dammit what? Now, I'm just reflecting on how I'm twenty one. It's bad sick, man. I got nine years nine racy being born in the year two thousand or whatever the five two. Made. Yeah, it's thousand it's it's actually crazy that kids are two thousand nine morning nine kids born in no nine or twenty one. Now how crazy is that? I just turned twenty one while. That's that's what's insane. So crazy. So crazy our podcast. This old ask motherfucker? I thought old do no now L do how old am I? How old they look. Twenty two. Yeah. Twenty two. Yeah. A little bit older than me twenty dollars. Sure. It's only do just graduated college. Ready to make my Mark on the world, man. What am I gonna do? Fucking. I just can't wait to impact the world. You know? Yeah. Really, swi- brilliant an internship. You know, what the hell is? I'm gonna say I'm into breeze up earlier. But we apparently we got someone who went to high school with Meli. She's she's got crazy stories about things. He would do. Really? Yeah. I'll one of them is like you just shit everywhere. Say some truly fucking crazy prison ship. Yeah. Yeah. Hope it's like insanity. Yeah. He just he just fucking peed all over. Cafeteria some shit as a senior prank. Yeah. How's this for a senior prank? Then it was the first day of school knowing. There's actually no maybe it's like selectively really just took a shit on a pizza and he put in the middle of the school. Just like a singular shit on a microwavable pizza. So isn't it weird that the song that he did a song called split personalities? They I I wasn't a fan. I guess the one with Connie. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Well, this girl's you've got split Burt. But it's about a girl. But maybe that's another one of his personalities yet. Maybe a girl. It's. Because then she also has split personalities. They're this movie split. Yeah. Yeah. The I got to see the m nice Shamlan a moment. Ding dong. Yeah. Mash up where he brings Bruce fucking Charles Xavier. And the where the fuck that what what's the name of that movie just came out? It's like a meshing of all his weird movie, titles storylines, all crossover. Oh, really? Yeah. His new one. Yeah. I forget, I don't know. I guess I want to see that new Jordan Peele one us. Yep. Fucking. There's a premiere last night. I now we could have gone. I just I just I don't wanna leave my fucking neighborhood. I just this weird zone. Now that every time I leave. I get fucking depressed. L LA just taking its toll on me. Yeah. I was thinking the traffic here from not going to do it. I'm not going to do. I was thinking to talked about the traffic is just city. Now, I will say someone DNV they said, hey, man. I'm in LA. You weren't fucking kidding. The shit sucks. We're not kidding men were not the sole riding your dick. Yeah. We're not not in a good way. Not in a good way. People can Linke me to this Riley read tweet. What does it say? She said watch me suck the soul out of this poor lad's, dick. And it's her just like give it like like like her like legs are overhead, and she suck in his dude's dick and his heads like like like hanging off the bed, and you looks like me. And so people kept being like, oh damn like this. I didn't know you were you did porn or whatever cov-. But I thought that was a really funny way of like communicating. The fact that you're giving a blowjob sucking the soul out of this poor lad's. Dick, lets me Suckley Sola is Pauline. Stick for months day, all that poor poor soul. How that call? Oh, man. There's some recipes some shame as he died too sloppy toppy. It was. Fucking awful. Phony to describe that shit as bad head. Anything? That's super good. Yeah. Yeah. Like. All dude, not chill as what having with this girl. And she just she ruined my fucking life, dude through she just she just. Oh, I feel bad for myself. All this shit was happening. I thought it was at the dentist. The dentist is like cleaning the water was like that. But on my dick. That sounds that. Sounds awesome. Yeah. She's she's sucked. All the come. It was awful. It was awesome, dude. She sucked me dry disgusting. It was awful. It was awesome. Dude was awful. Oh, yeah. That sounds like fun. It was gross. Awesome. Bit everywhere. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna not gonna air mount we're talking to somebody. And he was saying he doesn't like a lot of spit on the blow job. He wants a selective amount of so. Yeah. That's what I would what. Yeah. I'm I'm like Lou, I don't remember who that was don't don't say anything, but we'll talk. I'm like, nah, legu- my shit. Yes. No, no. Seve samri. He'd be like. Oh, yeah. Not now. Sam what did he just blinky? No Sam wouldn't you wouldn't say shit sit there silently. No, he I get all yet. Really? Oh, yeah. Lougee? No again. Fucking Lou gate. No, thanks way. I'm trying to I'm trying to personally Sam right now. Yeah. Yeah. Because then if you come fast, and you can just blame it on the Lougee. That's pretty good actually. It's pretty good. Sam always has weird like. Logic train. No get out of jail card. That's how his whole brain works. Yep. Yeah. But then like if you get caught doing this, and you could say was that. Yeah. Always as an out. Yeah. Same committed crime. What does he think like that? I mean is he been Welby criminal? Why should he be criminal though? Why should he be? Yeah. Because he'd be killing like, you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna share them not. I'm not trying to publicly share them. All right. All right. It's mad when we shared him behind his back. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Try shade. And he's doing well. You know? Yeah. He's a real. Well, he is. He's he's got like criminal thought process. Definitely. I mean, I I think I do too to degree. I've woo paranoid them. I think everyone's out to give him. So, but yeah. Did you listen to Alex Jones episode? We talk about this already. I started listening to haven't had a moment. Like, really, you know, listen to that much madness. Yeah. It's like what five hours or some shit? Is this crazy of him? Just not being able to breathe. Oh, yeah. We talked about on the bonus episode. That's what it was. Yeah. Those those fun. They have been really guys check those things out, you're on dot com slash tiny gang. We've been cranking off on those joints. Yeah. We yeah. We wanna make them like truly weird. What about that one that you are suggesting that we do we should we reveal that idea? Oh, no. That one's got just hit him in the balls. But that one if we do that one that I have everyone like, Yep. Get ready. So you wanna do it? Yeah. I definitely over one hundred percents of no mother. Yeah. We just we just press him with some real challenging question. Yeah. Yeah. So I might say that might be like this not going to be like easy. We're gonna like like to him. You know, like man, man. We're gonna ask you some shit. Yeah. All right. All right. Okay. Let's the most we'll say about that. What? So what we got? We got got new shows. We're Lee leave next Tuesday. We sort of take tickets Vale. Oh, yeah. There's like. Yeah. In three in three cities. It's like single digit. You know, what I'm gonna bring up the listens. Because I yeah. I really want to as well, let the people know. Yeah. Keep keep a feel like everyone patriot mostly that can go has got to take it. So I don't even know where these places are that we're going on. Now never been any of these bitches. Hold on. Sorry, respectively. Condo sons a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Let Cody British okay. So the three cities are. Portland. Maine. Burlington virginia. Yeah. And also. Syracuse. There's like three tickets lost or something like, okay where? Yeah. Circus circus. Burlington portland. It's like three ten tickets left's fifteen or something like that. Yeah. You know, come through. I'm just I'm just blew my mind that we even sold tickets in those cities to begin with. Now was like it is pretty crazy. It's sell like five I'm going to have to cancel. Yeah. Gonna say. Speaking of lawyers supposed to meet with a lawyer right now. But what to get to known entertainment lawyer? Yeah. Is it who is it Ryan? Yeah. Yeah. He's amazing actually. I've been with him since I've I moved here. That's still. Yeah. He's great. Keep it on the family. I mean, I might as well, man. Yeah. Might as well in the family. It's a, you know. Way to find people. Yeah. Word of mouth, and well, sorry, I'm jumping all over the place. I've been looking as studio spaces. Okay. We just might have to move, man. All three of us. What do you mean? You mean Spock we just gotta go the valley. Take it on the chin go to the valley never ever. In my fucking life. Knew it. What I moved to the San Fernando Valley studio sitting damn there's so many places that are like as West Hollywood as yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could probably move there. I probably move. There is no more Brig. I know. But like, you know, when you live in a neighborhood for a few years, and then it's just like now have been to every place every single place, and it's not like, I don't like them. But like the idea of something new and something exciting just moving somewhere where you don't even know any of the places around you. So you can spend a couple years get another neighborhood is kinda peeling. I don't know when I'm going to get to the age where I'm just like content with everything around me. I mean, yeah, I don't I'm. We have to figure it out. Yeah. But the -bility to have guests was is huge. And we have all the gear for it's like fucking God. We gotta find something. Yep. What talking to a few people? But I don't wanna studio to come in. And like fuck shit up start telling us like how to talk and. Yeah, I don't really we don't need it. That's the thing. I'm not. I'm not like I like out like, I was on context. Guys. We've got some people being like some studios being we lived to make you guys part of the family, and I'm a little bit like anyway, they're like a they're like a production company. Yeah. And like I was on Travis mills podcasts at so I got to see like his setup. And he's with a company like that. Like for someone for someone that just like, I guess like wants to do a podcast has an audience. And so they do a deal right off the bat. Like before the show is even I totally get that. Right. Yeah. Because they're like, listen, we have the studio we'll say to customize a set a little bit have all the gear. We have an engineer that sitting here that you did walk in with your guest like you said down all the average are on like a TV up here. Everything is like super streamlined, right? Okay. But then for someone like us who's built our show from the ground up, and it was done everything along the way. Yeah. Upgraded. All of our gear. We know the whole process now, we know how to do this shit ourselves. We need someone to help one person to help us run the whole thing. Yeah. So if you have to be a podcast producer, and you have some skill and interest hit us up. Yeah. We probably should have actually put together a real pitch for this. But not I mean, we're we're at the point where we wanna you know, we wanna do more. And I think. Yeah. Third hand would help. Yes. So we basically we might as well just pitch this right now. Yeah, we need someone in LA to basically run the podcast for us. So just be the administrator on all of our socials. Do they do the editing which is pretty minimal Bahir every time we record distrbution helpless with talking points distribution growing the podcast. So like figuring out like growth hacks for lack of a better term, but like editing funny. Clips for social media's let stuff. Yeah, we want one person to do all this full-time gig. And I don't know if you're if you're versed in audio and. Yeah. Growing shows and stuff like that. I don't know if anyone is then we'd love to hear from you. When we Email, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. He M G pod at gmaiLcom. If you're serious about it, and send us your resume and work experience and all that stuff. Yeah. Just because you know, I've been like and by the way top two patriots. Finally, your merges, we got all your to consolidate. Yeah. 'cause I've been doing all that. And that's just like, you know, I don't wanna keep missing the Mark on that. I want people get taken care of. And I want the experience to be good for everybody. So finally, we got a running list, ma'am, patriot. Just though. They're too worried about getting more money and stead of like making the shift work know, what the fuck so patriots apparently is like testing this new tier system creators where you it's like a it's like a plan system. So it's like gold, silver and premium or whatever. And so the the basic one is free. I guess and you can set up a patriarch accept tips. Just for anything. No goals. No tears. No, nothing. Just just tip in the people can decide how much they wanted to. Then you have like the premium or the gold one was like what we are on. Right. They take three percent cut of all the earnings, and you get guessing, plus the processing fees. Yeah. Yeah. And then now there's this new gold system where you can earn premium or whatever where you can pay three hundred bucks a month, plus an additional two percent or something like that. And you get like creator workshops and webinars. We don't need a fucking webinar. Dude. We make your site fucking. Yeah. We need the make built hosting video that. Yeah. Fucking people on your website are video creators, so many and the feature is so simple. It's so fuck, I know a work around. But it's like I don't wanna get into that. Like, it that we we did the work around we figured it out. No, there's like like we could build like a like, a, custom domain. And then there's a there. I figured out a way that we could get the video I think to play back, but it's like. It just adds another layer that I, you know, I don't want shit to get weird or fucked up and people figuring out what the domain is. And like the bonus should so, you know, whatever. Yeah. Stop trying to take more money man and just make the fucking video playback work. How about let's start there. Yeah. Let's let's start with in your fucking comment view. Maybe don't have the last comment bug out. And you never see maybe make the app fucking work. Yeah. And then start to ask for more money and do fucking webinars webinar who has ever who is ever voluntarily watched a webinar. We got a whole bunch of Java script developer is being like, dude. I fucking we used to do that. I never watched a webinar recordings of people. Like, yeah. Teach me ship. Like, I've never like tune in for a live webinar about certain technology. Isn't that just what a keynote is a webinar? A webinar. No. But webinars like a lecture. Yeah. A keynote is more of like, a it's like a speech. Yeah. It's all the same shit to me. Okay. Actually now web in our guarantees shitty. Audio. That's what I think of when I hear webinar. Yeah. And like to far from the I hate the I I don't even like that word that I'm saying it's been our webinar. Webinar sounds like a superhero found now is webinar. Spiders, nice did. Thank you. Did you pitch that? Yeah. How about instead of spider man, we do webinar? If you made it all the way to the end. Webinar curious how many people just listen to us complain about picture on for ten minutes? Rename is. Oh, no. It's webinar. That's not funny. But it's funny right now renaming Spiderman as webinar, I don't know why dude. So dumb. It's a bird. It's a plane. No eleven are. Mary jane. I love you webinar. No, he just bores his victims. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Just pulls up with the fuck and. Yeah. Well, actually, there's a webinar for that. There's a Ted talk lightly encyclopedia. Dudes, robbing a Bank here can't figure out how to get the safe open. Interesting thing about safes fucking, no don't do it. He's got like an old school school like old school high school projector. Yeah. Yeah. Wrist. Yeah. And his wrists. And he's like writing on his with marker and protect you. Yeah. The overhead projector thing. Yeah. So here's the thing about safes back in nineteen eighty. No, no, no. It's already working. All the sleep. Yeah. All the Bank robbers leaving. Thanks webinar. We'll take it from here. Nice work web in our. Well, you know, you stick around for this. Don't. Everyone's fucking asleep. Everybody's asleep. Oh my God. Only only thing that can beat him as a kid like hitting spitballs on his fucking forehead. Venom is just a twelve year old fatal hates math. You are anyway fucker we yet where we're good. What a terrible joke to close. Great Joe, Lebanon. I like that shit better than better than fucking fill my ass with com. Yeah. I'm a innocent joke. Yeah. Clean clean clean humor. Clean humor kinda squeaky clean. Cody lakes. No grout that he likes a grout. Lewis floor of comedy. This weekly. I dunno. Grout means I dunno. It's between tiles. I think okay, whatever. Anyway, guys, dude at everyone's going out to the shows. Thank you. We'll see you there. We will see you there. And we got that new to skull t shirt. Yeah. Always the merge plug guy now. But I like I like that shirt a lot TMZ pod dot com. If you want one of those awesome. Yeah. Brennan and for the new gear the new we'll see guys next up. Yeah. On the next episode probably in a venue right back all being a venue green rooms again. Sorry, guys in the green rooms gang.

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The Evening Briefing: Tuesday, July 28

The Briefing

02:03 min | 3 months ago

The Evening Briefing: Tuesday, July 28

"Good evening I'm Chris Price with the briefing from the Telegraph. It's Tuesday July twenty eighth and Boris Johnson's of sons of a second wave in Europe. It's up to you to decide whether you want to go abroad. According to the prime minister, but he's given his biggest warning about the state of the pandemic in Europe I Johnson defended the government's decision to place quarantine restrictions on people arriving from Spain. He says the All signs of a second wife in some places, but if you're one of those people. People traveling back. You might want to check. The rules is most the restrictions on returning holidaymakers much more draconian than even at the height of the lockdown. You're not permitted to leave the house to shop unless you've run out of supplies and you can't even leave for exercise. You can read the only reasons though so fascinating can go out of the house. Some concerning news now police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann of started digging up an allotment in northern Germany is near the former home of the man suspected of abducting her. A number of is with heavy equipment have been working on the ground. The prosecutor's office has confirmed the said she's in connection with the Madeleine McCann case. You can read the latest from the scene. And thirty five years ago. Princess Diana while the world as she took to the dancefloor with John. Travolta now the famous dress she wore is to display at her former home at Kensington Palace. She wore it to dance at the White House color in one, thousand, nine, hundred five, and it's going show for the first time since historic royal palaces acquired. It's an auction last year you can see again the fantastic pictures of her with the Hollywood star. Along with that you can read anthony bright on how the Johnny Depp and her trial has exposed celebrities, greatest lie, and as true at broad, becomes only the fourth seam bowler to take five hundred test wickets. Read why he's likely to be lost. If you're listening on WHATSAPP essentially those links now if you're listening on spotify. With you focused you, find them in the show notes. That's it. You're up to date. Have Your next briefing tomorrow morning.

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The Evening Briefing: Friday June 5

The Briefing

02:06 min | 4 months ago

The Evening Briefing: Friday June 5

"Good evening I'm Chris Price with the briefing from the Telegraph it's Friday June the fifth and the prime suspect in the McCann cases being linked to the German Maddie. That cases eight years apart, but with striking similarities Madeleine McCann was abducted from pride deluge on May, the third, two, thousand and seven on May. The seconds twenty fifteen five year old ingrid garrick disappear as her family had a barbecue in a forest in Stendhal in Germany nine traces, ever been found of either young girl, and no one's ever been charged today emerge the man up the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance was linked to English case you can read how the disappearance of Inga unfolded, and how Christian based home was raided by police? Remember brexit high-level talks of continued this week resulting in techy news conference with the E us, chief negotiator Michel Barnier today. He said there's been no significant progress and accused the U. K. of backtracking on commitments in the political decoration signs last year. However, he remains optimistic. A breakthrough can happen by the early autumn. Our live blog has more. And it's been a day of figures in the coronavirus crisis on the one hand, the breach to grim milestone with the official tally of people who've died after testing positive for Covid nineteen surpassing forty thousand today. But the Office for National Statistics has revealed infections in the community of more than half day in a week, and the one in a thousand people are being newly infected day. Right, stay put listing on. WHATSAPP MESSENGER those links now and if you're listening on spotify apple or wherever you focused, you'll find them in the show notes. As well as links to the video of a seventy five year, old man left in a serious condition after being pushed to the ground by police in buffalo during the George Floyd protests. And more than ten years after the last series of both. Boys Comedian Leigh Francis only apologizing Fritz black-faced characters. Now that set you up to date Danny. Will have your next briefing on Monday morning.

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Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abdill

Murder Minute

18:52 min | 4 months ago

Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abdill

"Welcome to murder minute today the story of Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abdyl but I your true crime headlines. A suspect has been identified in the two thousand seven disappearance of Madeleine McCann who vanished vacationing with her parents at a seaside resort in Portugal. McCann's parents were a Tapas bar with friends. While three year old. Madeleine and her younger siblings slept in their vacation apartment about one hundred yards away. The adults made periodic checks of the sleeping children. On one of those regular check INS Kate McCann found little madeline missing from the apartment. Early Missteps by Portuguese authorities derailed the investigation and the case crew cold despite international attention. Now more than thirteen years after the little girl's disappearance police have identified a convicted sex offender and career criminal as their prime suspect. The man, forty three year old Christian Bruckner is a German national and from nineteen ninety four to two thousand seven. He lived in the Portuguese vacation district where Madeleine went missing. According to German records. BERKNER has seventeen previous convictions including theft forgery, drug, dealing firearms, offenses, rape, and sexual abuse of children. Berkner is behind bars Germany serving time for a drug related offense. Since becoming the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Bruckner has been investigated for possible connections to three other unsolved cases, involving missing or murdered children, taking place between nineteen, ninety, six and two thousand fifteen. A man who spent nearly three decades in prison, most of those on death row has been released after prosecutors determined that he is most likely innocent of the crime for which he was convicted. Walter Oh. God walked out of the Pennsylvania's Phoenix. Institution after his charges were reduced, and he was granted bail for the nine hundred ninety eight murder a four year. Old Barbara. Jean, Horn. Horn was found stuffed into a box and left on the curb side not far from her Philadelphia. She had head wounds and had been partially wrapped in a garbage bag. Oh God rod, then twenty-three lived nearby at the time of the child's death. He was arrested for years later, according to his attorneys, he was railroaded into a false confession by Philadelphia police. That confession included incorrect details about the crime including the little girls cause of death. Additionally, a review by Philadelphia. District, Attorney's office found violations of opioids right to due process of law. And that prosecutors had withheld potentially helpful evidence. The judge said she was not able to throw out the case completely, but instead lowered the charge third degree murder, allowing God to bail and be released. Prosecutors then filed. A request declined to retry him. Which is now pending? According to his attorneys, opioids first stop after his release would be a backyard barbecue hosted by a family member. It is unclear if police have any other suspects in the death of Barbara Jean Horn. Prosecutors. That there is no physical evidence linking to her murder. A southern California. Police officer has been arrested on suspicion of raping a teenage girl, according to authorities. Twenty eight year old Nicholas. Sean Starke was arrested and charged with suspicion of rape of a minor intoxication, according to the San Bernardino Sheriff's department. At the time of his arrest stark was an officer with the Fontana Police Department. However, the assault allegedly took place before he joined the police force according to sheriff's officials. FANTOMAS police chief William Green released a statement explaining that he was unable to immediately fire stark based on California law. Instead stark was placed on paid leave. Which Green called disgusting before promising to work to fire stark as quickly as possible. Green said Tanna police learned of the incident when one of the departments captains became aware of post on social media from a young woman, indicating she had been a victim of sexual assault, and that the culprit Fontana police officer. This post led green to personally requested investigation by the sheriff's Office. Stark was booked into the West Valley. Detention Center after his arrest and posted bail the next day. Those are true crime headlines next a murder case, the town of Medford Oregon will not soon forget. But first a quick break. Welcome back to murder minutes today. A Tale of love lies and murder. Roxanne Ellis and Michelle abdyl met in the early nineteen eighties in Colorado when Michelle Tha job in the doctor's office where Roxanne worked as a nurse. Roxanne. A divorced mother of two was drawn to Michelle's spitfire nature and strong will. Michelle admired Roxanne's warmth and quiet generosity. A friendship blossomed and soon the women fell in love, committing to a lifetime partnership. Eager for a fresh change. The couple decided to move near Michelle's mother in Medford Oregon. `sleepy, sleepy southern town surrounded by mountains. There they started property management company together and hired Roxanne's daughter Laurie to work in the office. They swiftly became involved in the community and spoke out against two major anti-gay rights initiatives in the early nineties. Both of which were only narrowly defeated, they were tremendously brave in quiet and unobtrusive ways. A friend of the couple later told the LA Times. They weren't usually public or anything, but they were eloquent one on one. Respected as activists, the women appeared on TV and at fundamentalist churches. Sharing the message that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. And when two of their friends were dying of AIDS. Roxanne and Ellis visited them daily to provide meals adjust I-I've change bedpans and tend to yard work. By, December, of one, thousand, nine, hundred five. Things were going really well for the women personally and professionally. The adored their children, grandkids and each other. And their business was going well. If only they had known how tragically insidious a newcomer to their circles would turn out to be. On December fourth. Days before a historic windstorm equaling category, two hurricane hit Oregon. Something far worse destructed a close knit family. That morning Roxanne left for eleven. Am property showing appointment and never returned to the office? When she missed an important appointment that afternoon. Her daughter Laurie feared something horrible had happened. But then Laurie heard from Michelle who told her that Roxanne's car needed a jump and she was on her way to help her. After Michelle left to meet Roxanne at the property. She'd been scheduled to show that morning though she too became unreachable. As another our past, Laurie couldn't wait any longer. She drove through the duplex and spotted her mother's truck. Once again her sense of relief was fleeting. As. She pulled up beside Roxanne's truck. It sped away. Certain her mother wasn't driving. She headed to the duplex, finding the front door unlocked something very uncharacteristic of her mom. And the building was empty. Immediately, she phoned the police. Deputy Chief Tim Doni spoke about the case and the Canadian crime documentary, very bad man, and said he sensed something was off from the get-go. He agreed to look around the duplex finding no signs of a struggle. Even, so he suspected foul play. And, because the women were active in the gay and lesbian community, he wondered if they had been victims of hate crime. These weren't women who just disappear, he said. Detectives questioned people throughout the neighborhood to see if anyone has seen or heard anything unusual, that might help them lead to the missing pair. Next door to the duplex lived a woman and her fifteen year old son. The boy recalled encountering someone. He described as a white male adult on the property. He said the man told him he would soon be their next door neighbor. The boy also heard the garage door open and close and vehicles driving in and out of the driveway earlier that day. His mother to had seen the man walking along the perimeter of the duplex. Based on the boys, description of the man police created a composite sketch. The suspect looked to be in his late twenties. He had straight hair along knows, and were square wire rimmed glasses. Michelle's planner showed only the name of the showing no client, which seemed odd. She had received a phone call from a motel earlier that morning, but because the establishments phone system is broken, the owners couldn't verify which room the call came from. A fingerprint found on the garage seems promising, but it pulled up no matches in the database. As the search continued gaining widespread. National Media Attention. Laurie felt frantic. She started listening to police scanners. Hoping to hear any possible. Break in the case I. Finally one came. Someone had spotted vehicle that matched the description of her mother's truck. She raced to the scene. Saw The truck and darted toward it. As she did a police officer grabbed her. She would not want to see inside that truck. The complete horror of The cargo bed appeared to be full of shipping cartons and a mattress. Around the perimeter of Mattress, detectives could see part of a torso and arm and ahead. They quickly confirmed that the two bodies found belonged to Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abbeville. Laurie heard the news. I and with spend months worrying about their final minutes what they had seen and experienced. One can only hope that shocked took over protecting their minds somewhat from the harsh reality of one of the women having to witness her partner's death while anticipating her own. Once the missing persons case became one of double homicide. Investigators worked even harder to find the perpetrator. Oregon reporter Libby Dowsett covered the discovery of Roxanne's truck as she honed in on the man who had called the police a cable installer need Jerry Walker. Many people were struck by the similarities between him and the suspect sketch. But, Walker a solid alibi and police quickly ruled him out. tits continue to flood in from people who believed they could help investigators. Catch this killer. One in particular could not be ignored. A woman named Darlene. Who requested anonymity back then? Called police suggesting her own son twenty-seven-year-old, Robert Mont may have been involved. In fact, she believed was the killer. She later told local reporters that she called police because she quote had to look God in the face, adding that she would do anything in her power to ensure that no more people were hurt. Her son she said was sick. She showed police labels from shipping containers. They had used to move which matched those covering the women's remains. Police soon found more connections between the man and the slain women. Most notably Roxanne had showed him the very apartment. They had disappeared from just two weeks before the murders. And on the morning of December fourth, he had gone to his brother's Motel. The same one Roxanne received a phone call from. The next morning he packed a bag and took off claiming that he was sick of the dreary Oregon weather. Police were able to find a fingerprints on file from job. He had applied for back in California. When lab results showed a matched prince found at the crime scene. They had all they needed to make an arrest. While making plans to do so. They learned that Ackerman had just been involved in a botched burglary. Under arrest as authorities questioned him, he confessed to the two murders and a third. He said he killed Scott George a twenty three year old man who had been missing for three months. He was last seen at a bar with Ackerman's. After Scott had agreed to show him around town, and introducing to people, his father had dated Ackerman's mom. Darlene for a time. Scott was known to be kind the type of person who would do most anything for anyone. Including help someone out, even if that person was a bit rough around the edges. His loved ones believed that that strength should not have led to the end of him. After police questioned the suspect three separate times about Scott's disappearance. He and Darlene packed up and moved to Medford. By that point. He told his father that he had killed. Scott, George. When Akron confessed. He said he shot. Scott George once just to see what it was like and a second time because he was pissed about a mess, he made his car. Still sickeningly high on those crimes killer told police he set his sights on a new mission to kidnap a property manager and get them to write him checks that the cleaning or security deposit account. That's when he met Roxanne Ellis. The morning of her murder, he said he held her at gunpoint and demanded the money. She told him there was no money in that properties account. He must have forced her to calm shell and ask her to bring him funds. Believing that once they paid him, he would let them go. While? He claimed he never planned to kill them. Evidence told another story. Investigators discovered that he had prepared a kill kit, containing plastic gloves, a knife handcuffs and a gun before assaulting, Roxanne. When Libby Dowsett later asked him if he had premeditated murders, he said. The perfect crime has no witnesses. He also said that it crossed his mind that they were lesbians. Later in an interview with the San Francisco Examiner Akron, said he tried to rob the women because he was frustrated about finding a new job after quitting a position at a railway, and that he had recently broken up with his girlfriend because he couldn't afford to visit her in Las Vegas. Later that woman would testify that he merely spent thousands of dollars at the club where she danced, bought her expensive gifts and occasionally paid for dinner. It was a purely financial relationship. She said he was a client. She also testified that he put a gun to her head in his truck at one point and told her that he had murdered people there. When she told Vegas police that they didn't believe her. Ackerman also told the examiner quote. I don't care for Lesbians. I couldn't help but think that she's fifty four years old and had been dating that woman for twelve years. Isn't that sick that someone's grandma for God's sake? While it remains unknown whether the women were targeted solely because of their sexual orientation. He was definitely homophobic and investigators treated it as a hate crime. The killer later revealed that he killed Scott George partly because he had made a pass at him. When a deputy arrived at Laurie Ellison door to let her know that they caught the man who stole Roxanne and Michelle's lives and devastated their families. She said she was ecstatic. When she learned he was sentenced to death. She said she hoped would experience the same torment. He had put her mother's through. He was sentenced to death for the murder of Scott George to. Achromatic died behind bars reportedly of natural causes in two thousand eighteen. In Nineteen ninety-six in lgbt Advocacy Education Center opened in Ashland Oregon in honor of Roxanne Michelle, it was called the Abdel Alice, Lambda Community Center and stayed open for fourteen years. The center served as a place for community and connection and ran. Women support groups. When it closed due to lack of funding the lotus rising project, a youth run Social Justice nonprofit group took over as outreach. Something Roxanne and Michelle. Who cherished children and Equality and each other? Would probably appreciate. This has been murder minutes for true crime anytime. Download the murder minute or follow us on Instagram at murder minute.

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Ep - 157 - PHIL KEOGHAN, HOST OF AMAZING RACE

Reality Life with Kate Casey

1:06:58 hr | 1 year ago

Ep - 157 - PHIL KEOGHAN, HOST OF AMAZING RACE

"Amazing cake JC, welcome back to another episode of reality life with Casey, again, I hope that you guys have been having a great week the other night, I was up late watching American idol and crying my face off. This season is really good. Now, forget about the fact that Evelyn from ninety day fiance is a contestant on the show. Nothing's changed. I still hate her. But there are a couple of other contestants that are so good. And you note, sometimes it shows a little hard for me to watch. If the people have a terrible singing voice, but I'm telling you this season there nail in it. First of all there's all a hundred who's a musical genius self taught for years ago can play the guitar lake. He's been playing for twenty seven years and a beautiful beautiful voice. And he's this soft spoken, very sweet unassuming person who was the dishwasher up until he tried out for the show. You have Dimitrius who's basically a male beyond say, he sang with Lukas Graham, and I was basically on the floor crying. And then there is the delight of Jeremiah Lloyd Harmon who is a musical teacher twenty six years old from Maryland. He sang time after time by Cyndi Lauper, which basically is one of the greatest songs ever. Let me just give you a little a little piece of it. And this has. Ching through. Those one ring. These. Okay. I mean, I lost my mind. My husband was out of town. So he wasn't there to judge me the kids were all asleep. And then I looked through YouTube videos of both of them for a good extra half hour. I could barely keep my eyeballs open when the baby woke up in the middle of the night. I don't even I don't even know what I fed her. I've may have been coke zero. I don't know. But I'm telling you, you've gotta checkout American idol. Unbelievable. This week's episode. I love first of all Phil Cogan has been the host of amazing race since two thousand one I can't even get over how well produced the show is they received so many words and deserve every single one of them what they have to do to make this show happen is mind boggling in it really is above all of the other competition shows, maybe not survivor, but. It is an unbelievable show. And what a nice guy, can you? Imagine. The life experiences experiences that he's had traveling all over the world. I'd like to also add I would be terrible on that show. I'm the pickiest eater. Like one of my supposed to do in Asia. When I eat gluten free. I mean like come on. Also could never have my husband run with me. I've said this before I know that we would be void the whole time. 'cause we argue when we drive to Los Angeles. I mean, it was just a nightmare, and I'm also terrible with directions. So if you're an amazing race lover, you're going to love this interview with him, Kimberly and Katie from date with dateline or so funny, and I made them watch selling sunset on Netflix. If you love real estate shows, this is right up your alley, and there's so much to unpack with the show. So get on that flex right now and start watching episodes. I promise you you will find yourself hours later still watching them and then Darren car. Is like Andy Cohen's right hand lady. She does everything she used to be as assistant, and she's super dialed into the network there, and does a bunch of very cool things. She's also the host of martinis and murders on oxygen. So she loves true crime. Just like you guys. Do I asked her to watch the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, which is also on that flicks? It's difficult to watch your apparent. But like, I always say this stuff is important for us to watch. So we can all just remind each other the importance of protecting all kids. 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Phil Cogan has been over a hundred countries around the world as host producer, author motivational speaker end cyclist, he's been hosting the show since two thousand one Phil welcome to the show like you. So tell me a little bit about how you got this job because everyone believes to be the best job in the entire world. Well, I'm not going to disagree with that. I think I still won the lottery when I got this job. I hit I hit hosted a show for CBS back in nineteen ninety nine. It was a special, and I guess I was on the radar or CBS. And then it was being considered for survive with Jeff Probst, and I was back on the radar there. And then I got shortlisted again for amazing race. And there were few different shows going on at that time. There was a show called Guinness Book of world records that that the network was doing the networks really starting to get into the idea of doing network reality shows and of all of them, and the people that I was talking to the amazing race was the one that really struck a chord with me, and thankfully, they they took a chance on the I I had just being. Hosting a show for the Discovery Channel. Which was called the venture crazy where I got my lifeless might list of things to do before. I'd I'd and I had been traveling around the world forty six different countries in twenty six different episodes. Doing crazy things from right when world records, and and and being venturous, I guess out in the world and that really helped and then I was lucky enough to be part of the race team. Which? We said go in central park in in early two thousand and one. Now this season. The teams are going to include members of castaways from survivor houseguests from big brother people from amazing race, previous episodes or seasons. How hard is it for you design? Oh that you are producer now of the show is well, how hard is it for you to find the right people to be in each season. Well, look, I mean just to be clear about my involvement in the casting. I go to the casting sessions, and I certainly way with my opinion, but you know, testing is a very specific job. And we have really good people who do it and have done it over the years. It's crucial to any reality show because the people that you put in front of the camera the words that come out of their mouth the reactions that they have to the emphasis to what the situation that. They're in that is that they like the script writers of of reality. We transcribe those words and. Those words really dictate the story, you know. That's why it is absolutely crucial that we get that. Right. Because if you put a dull test into a really amazing adventure around the world, it's still going to be dull, but you could put really vibrant, captivating characters into adult situation, and they could still make it vibrant. So I would say the the key absolute key element of any reality show working if the cast, and so we have a team of experts, then we'll go in and we could shortlist of people, and ultimately, it's the network that signs off on who they think are going to make the good TV, and I will tell you sometimes people exceed our expectations, and they offer way more than we ever expected. And there are times when a team maybe doesn't make our expectations for one reason or another because they just get so of wealth by the jet lag or they just find it so hard to cope, so but overall. We we have a very high strike rate with the cast that goes out and overall it's a little bit like cooking. You gotta have the right ingredients. You you can't just make just, you know, beautiful fresh vegetables, you need also need spices than you and you need sources. And so a cast a good cast is not about one team. It's about the collective, and that is what we're serving up if you like to the audience great mixture of really interesting telegenic captivating characters doesn't help you when the contestants have had some television experience. Not really, no. I mean, I look I have a voice said this. I mean, it's it's it's again, it's only my opinion. I prefer the people who are more fish out of water characters. But I also know that our fans and race fan race fans and survivor fans that big brother fans have also for a longtime really the wanting to see this reality mash up, and I I have to, you know, say initially I was like, okay. I'm not really sure how this is gonna go. But what it exceeded my expectations because the survivor big brother teams really are like fish out of water characters because they have they have no idea. I mean, they they have been competing in a house where their world is are the full wolves of the big brother house or they'd being on an island where they're essentially in their own world. I mean, that's like a large set on survivor. Suddenly when you're thrust. It into the real world. And it's a race course that extends thirty five thousand miles around the world, and you're going to dozens of countries, and you're exposed to the elements of the real world, the weather the train schedules. It you cannot create a a protective layer around the show the show is in the world and the world dictates what we do. So these teams are fish out of water. Even even though they've been on reality before they have no idea. What's coming and those amazing racers who have come back? Because the show is always different because they're always you think about a lot of shows that have a challenge that that the task will get briefed on the challenge. Okay, everybody. Here's how it works. You're gonna run up here. You're going to go down. There. You got a leap across here. There's a briefing. There's no briefing on amazing race you rip the unplugged. And it said fish like the local fishermen do. And all of a sudden, you're you know, up to your neck and water in the surf, and you're trying to climb up a stick with little pegs on it. And you trying to figure out how to fish like the local fishermen do. So it's it's baptism by fire. It's like more on our show than than a lot of other say challenge type shows when I don't think that people understand you aren't doing twelve episodes in twenty one days and visiting anywhere from three to six continents. How in the world how in the world are able to pull this off like what are some of the logistic, logistics issues? Like, for example, a lot of people. I know like how do you get travelling basis for everyone without them knowing where they're gonna go. Well, you, you know, you're you're talking about. Now, why the show works the show works because we have an increase. I'm part of a huge team of super experienced people who are really good at what they do the mazing Arthur up your can pull together local resources to be able to address the set or to suddenly find an extra donkey in the middle of the night because we need a spare donkey because one of the other donkeys walked off into the wilderness or getting I'm serious. I or maybe they can't find the donkeys. Now, we have to go with meals, and so we are all operating in a state of heightened anxiety for twenty one days. And I signed the people, you know, we're not there days where we were where we will not get to a hotel room. We we will fly all that we were start shoot all day will fly overnight. We'll get up shoot all day fly on. I get. Shoot all day. We're rolling from one place to another and there's no time to breathe. It's no time to to to get. Right. So the planning that goes into the logistics is so complicated that charts the one thing gets out of place. One thing goes wrong. We lose a certain element. And it has a domino effect all the way down the line to the finishing show. I've had same say we all you must choose when when you want a non limitation or women, and I have to explain them. Can you imagine? If you suddenly just say, oh, you know what I love this team. Let's make it anonymous where are you gonna find the extra hotel room? They extra flight the extra logistics the extra car for the challenge to extra donkey that you need for the chance. You can't just make this stuff up as you're going along it it comes with with months and months of of of planning. So yeah, the logistics are off the hook. You think about shooting says? Studio show in in in the valley. It's sixty nine degrees. You've got four walls cameras a hot at at nine you roll cameras lunches at twelve thirty beautiful catering service. Nobody's sweating inside that studio. It's it's it's beautiful. It's beautifully lit that. You know, a camera breaks down you go. Oh, I'm gonna call the camera rental place. It'll be here and a half an hour. Well, when you're in bus, and you're in the middle of a salt pan and the camera goes down because of the heat or dust gets in the in the camera, and maybe it's not one cameras to cameras, and you can't you can't grab a cell phone and call anybody because there's no cell phone service. And you can't call over to the valley to get a replacement camera. You have to make do with what you have. And so there's a whole other layer to making this show were and and and and a lot of unsung heroes on amazing race who keep this thing on the air. And who keep this thing rolling and who have maintained a. Standard of excellence for eighteen nineteen years. I mean, I I can't tell you. You know, I feel tremendous responsibility the best that I can be because I am surrounded by. Unbelievable team of people who are just on marvel. What they what they didn't. So, you know, my grandfather always said never you never wanna be the weakest Lincoln chain. So I'm fighting the, you know, the the best that I can be at my job, and there's no makeup. There's no wardrobe. There's no, you know, I'm writing making script changes on the road as we go. Because like I said things are chopping and changing. There's a lot to show that is hard hard to to to this to describe it. It's complicated. It's very complicated. How many people are just travelling with you in in like the scenes where the teams are running to the to the end of the finish line. It are you. What are we not seen? Just a team of like twenty five people behind you. Well, it can be upwards of fifty people moving at a time. And then don't forget. And then don't forget, the, you know, every every team has got a cameraman and sound person. There are countries that your system book after different countries. They go ahead to prep for us to arrive we roll in like a steam train, we get out of the airport. And sometimes I'm on the same flight of the team. And I have to go to every place they need to go. So if they're I it's the nation's the detour, I might divert. I might take a Detroit myself and go to the roadblock and shoot that explanation. And then as they are traveling back to the as they leave the Detroit Trump, the roadblock. I'll flip across the detour I'll shoot that. And then I have to make the calculation constantly about whether I can be slightly ahead of them to be the first one at the max welcomed the first team in. Sometimes I can't get I can't get everything shot before they get to the match. So then I go to the man and then on the way to the airport out. Of there. I'll go back and get them to hold the six donkeys. I keep talking about donkeys. But I get them to hold the set in place and say I'll be there. I'm gonna within quickly before I go to the airport, and I'll within and then I'll shoot the expansion and then I'll go to the airport. But if you think about all the leapfrogging that's going on. So you might have a team of of cameras at the detour and they're covering the event while the teams is there will win the last team leaves that group of people are now resources that can be used on another challenge. So they'll wait for the first team that wait for the lasting then as soon as they're clear, they'll leave from to another challenge. So might be over at the said the speed bump or it might be over it as at a yield or something. And so they divert over there. Now, they're dealing with real life challenges. Traffic suddenly there's a donkey going in. Sorry, not a donkey and elephant let me use a different animal. Maybe there's an elephant involved in an Indian festival in the street. And suddenly, they get caught and traffic. And then the producers are calling. Hey, where are you guys that you know, we need you over here? The teams are about to ride in ten minutes, and I go, well, we're stuck in a festival here is elephant right in front of us. We can't get there. We'll hurry up. You guys pooch? We need you there the coverage. So and then, you know, then all of a sudden the skies opened up, and there's a monsoon and then teams are on a train that was meant to get an substance such a time with the trains broken down. You know, these props and things that are part of our show that we don't have any control over, you know, tell you the number of times he sat on the plane and the late, and we watch the teams take off the head of us on another plane outside the window. Oh my God. It's complicated. So when you're waiting for pairs at the finish line. I'm assuming that you're not just sitting there you're writing scripts you're doing you're working out logistical issues with the crew. Yeah. So I shoot the of the introduction to the pit stop. So we're working that out. We work out the camera position score when the teams have a run in where the crew in a be. To let them run in into the mad the car yard fee of when they run into Matt looking at the lighting of you know, which changes throughout the day sometimes from dates night. So we might have to bring in lights, that's a constant we changing element. But then you have to other the other thing that people forget is that I don't know what the audience knows when the team arrives at them that. So if you watching the show three months later, you've seen everything I haven't and now and now they come to the mat? And now, I'm meant to be up to date with what you've seen and what I meant to know the story. Right. So the only way I can stay on top of the story is I have to follow along with story. Now, it's on my phone hate notes. Look at things I need to interview them about at. And that understanding I haven't seen it. It's all hearsay. It's just notes from you know, the the team that's the detour they saying, hey heads up by the way, Chris sprained his ankle, or you know, heads up. You know, we had team that just had a big argument, you know, over who is going to do the road block. So I have to be armed with all of that information. You know, every now and again, a fan will say something like how come you didn't ask them about this or how can we as a lot of times? Just 'cause I I didn't know in that moment, I assure no after the fact. But and then what happens if those notes get that information doesn't get to me because we're in a place where there was no cell phone service. Or that information gets me. You know, I it's changed a lot over the years of how the information is disseminated technology has definitely helped show because we have new ways of communicating that we just didn't have back in the day, and there are more cellphone. There's more cellphone coverage in more remote places in the world than there was when we started to what is the response that from foreigners to this American show. What is your experience been our people welcoming or really thickly are there people that you've come across that have a bad taste for Americans. I would be lying if I said, you know, that that there weren't people that had. You know, they didn't necessarily have a woman fuzzy feeling towards Americans. And I'll tell you why. And conversely, there was many people who who just love welcoming us. I think one of the greatest things about amazing race is that we are able to dispel a lot of Mets. It's about the rest of the world because we are fed a lot of information in network primetime television. And in media is about what's wrong with the world who hates Americans. And there are these bad people that are dressed up in clothes that we don't wear our selves, or they live in a culture that is different from ours. You don't see good news about other countries or other people typically, it's generally when something goes wrong, it makes the news, and then we'd become fearful, and then we think we can't travel and those people talk about people talking about all those people, they hate us, etc. Etc. There's so much love out there for people in general, regardless of what nationality they are that we are able to dispel some of those nets. And conversely when we have good embassador traveling. We. Always. I mean, there's some ugly Americans that we've had the short traveling on the show, but on the whole when they get see us in a positive light. It's the same thing it opens their eyes up to the fact that there's so much. There's so many wonderful people in America people think of America's is a safe country, and it is, but they are very surprised to find out that it's not the safest country in the world and doesn't even rate in the top ten. It can't quite believe. Like, what do you mean? How can you know, we keep seeing this news about how dangerous it is out in the world. And how these people hate us. How can not be the safest place in the world. So there are lots of state places to travel to there are lots of good people in the world. And I think that's to mean, our show is more relevant now as a as a means of of creating understanding in the world, then it has ever been because there is a lot of divisiveness now in in in the media about us and them, you know, I come from price shirts just had this terrible killing terrorist act in in in Christ Church. I am I'm can I'm very concerned about some of the misunderstandings that that exist in the world, and and just some of the sort of want. I'd opinions that people have about how the world is that the more weakened kind of show, I have people stop in those Muslim people really invite them into their home and offer them money or where they really like that. Because because something like the word Muslim is. Is so Societa societas with terrorism. And and that that people just assume, well, they must all be bad people have Colby bad people because every time I see them. They're on the news doing something bad. And conversely, sometimes when people see Americans on TV, they're also doing something bad. And so they assume that Americans over saying nothing could be further from the truth. So many wonderful people everywhere you go on there. How many times do you cry because I feel like I'm gonna cry just having you explain that to me. I mean, pe- you probably see such humanity in this job. I can't tell you. Yes. You're absolutely right. And and I look years ago. I wrote my bicycle across America. And years before that I used to live show across America in every single state. And I went to everywhere in America. I mean, if we were old fifty stays little places like zanesville, Ohio, and I saw America close heart in America and Americans are unbelievably generous people, and I find anywhere you go in the world is a direct correlation between those who have the least those who give the most tips for joining the show if somebody's sitting at home right now, and they're like that sounds like something I'd love to do. What do you think they need to know before they thought the application? Well, first and foremost, don't try to be anybody else. Don't see, you know, try to model yourself after another fire that you that you might like be yourself. It's hard to describe what you're looking for. And till you see it right in a win. The when the guards walked in. If you if you remember Kenton vixen season fifteen when they walked in. We hadn't written a mandate like all live like with to have a couple of Dawson who where like make up and who are kind of contrast each other. They just walked in. This is interesting like where did you guys come from? And and then we're unique and there were different in or what are the Cowboys one of my favorite teams ever? You know, they woke in with the cowboy hats on. Beautiful manners in and they did themselves to so many fans. Yes abuse. So remember that you're selling yourself? So you've got to put some energy into selling itself to be a little bit. Like if you met somebody of, you know, potential partner at a bar, and you were trying to flirt with them. We bid you would wanna put on a good impression. So it'd be wanting to like let them know why you might be a good potential partner or potential day. So there, you know, remember that? So you have to flirt with the floor with the camera. Do you remember stocky from fan or pump rules in her family? I absolutely do. Yes. I do. What is your like memory of them? Well, certainly you could tell that they they knew how to sell them. So that's the sure, but I I I I haven't seen this this show for a long time by because some informations me know, if everyone wanted to know because they've always been fascinated, but she was on amazing race before Vanna pump rules in actually suspect that perhaps she so successful as a cast member on that show in navigating rally television because of the experience that our family on amazing race. We'll let you know. It's an it's an interesting point. I mean, I I personally like when. When people are more. They literally there just for the experience of wanting to be on the show for the experience of what amazing race has to offer rather than being it as a stepping stone to something else because I think there's a different mindset. When when people come in that way, it's just that's just my personal opinion. And and and and the landscape has changed so much since we started when you think about the idea that people can leverage and opportunity like being on a reality show into something else. I just didn't exist a while ago. So you know, there's that fine balance of people being to media savvy that they're too aware of themselves that they don't let their guard down. And suddenly, you don't really see the real them. You see the them that they want to they want people to see as opposed to just that rule reaction of just being so innocent. And there's an innocence that being lost in reality television. Now because of the fact that people are are watching themselves back. Yes. Well, you must be so proud of your team. This is an unbelievable show. It deserves every word that's received. I'm. So excited the show premieres April seventeen Telera buddy where they can find you. And I know you work on a couple of other things. So please tell us what you're working on. You're I guess what? I would love to tell people that. I'm gonna be interviewing the original winners of the amazing race, Robin. Brennan sees one winners on my podcast, which launched the the interview with them will be launched on April. Seventeenth the podcast is called bucket with an IT so bucket with so Koga. It's available wherever podcasts are available. And also the video version is that so Cogan dot com. And at some point they'll be doing Leo and Jamal with as well on this show. And and bucket is really about just inspiring people could get out there and some of their full lives, so everybody Mark McGrath. Bonnie hunt two astronauts that even my dad was a re greeter on season thirteen of amazing races on so awesome. Date with dateline they recap each new dateline episode with lovingly smirk twist giving their entirely uninformed opinions on the clever and not so clever murder plots, the affairs, the antifreeze the poetic prose of the prolific hosts and everything else you need to win their dateline bingo parts, Katie, Kimberly. Welcome to the show. Hi here for having us. We're so excited. Thank so much. All right. I have asked you to watch his show called Celine sunset I've been talking about the show. Basically, those that have not watched it. It is an eight episode series. The follows a group of real estate agents on the sunset strip. Now. The show centers on the real estate brokers at the Oppenheim group, which focuses on multi million dollar homes for wealthy clients. So they say twins Jason and Brett Oppenheim who I've mentioned before look like two vertically challenged bald men with Volvo, arms and ill-fitting shirts. Run the company along with their all female group of agents who look like latter day playboy playmates the series focuses on what happens when a new agent crucial Hartley, Chris show, her name is a combination of Chris and show referring to the man Chris who helped deliver her at a gas station. And show the gas station Kentucky where she lived. She's married. Not a joke. That's true. She's married to this is a star Justin Hartley who plays Kevin on that show. Again. This is my lady friends. What do we think of the show? Well, I just wanna point out that we watch murder shows for a living, and this was just as disturbing. This is very accurate portrayal of every woman in Los Angeles. Let's just throw let's throw that out there that we try to avoid no just pretty much is what everyone is if you moved to Los Angeles. You will you basically get suited up with batons and get a job like this. And then you make you make your living side live in a studio apartment with no dishwasher washing machine. No, of course. No, minor conditioner isn't broken. No, no. We live with this. Why is crucial on the show? Because she's married to that guy on this is for sure. And you have to have a sweet character, I'm guessing. And I think that she is supposed to be the underdog. That's right, right. She's supposed to be the underdog thrower into the lion's den. That's what the plot is supposed to be. Yeah. I mean, there is a plot. Even though it's a reality show. It's real it's awfully scripted. Now, it seems to me that Maya and Chris show are the ones that are actually selling real estate in what they're selling is probably more like duplexes and one story homes and condos in the valley. It doesn't seem like there are many sales going on within Los Angeles proper. Do you get the sense that any of these women are actually quite successful in the real estate industry? I think they're very good at acting like they're successful, especially Christine the resident b word but looking back. She'll disc clients the second walk out of the room to the camera. So I think she's much more interested in being a reality star and quitting this job. Do you believe that Mary who's the elder real estate agent? She claims she claims she's thirty nine I'm gonna go with a hard forty nine because nobody in television of bits to their real age. So if they're telling me that she's thirty nine I'm gonna add ten years. So I agree. I actually showed her to my husband. I said how old is this woman? I need you to tell me how old she just looked at her and give me a blank age. He's like forty four. And I was like, right. So, but would you believe that she's dating at twenty five year old French pastry slosh model, I didn't slash model? Is that is that what he was? Well, he's a hyphen it they claim I don't believe that he's twenty five either. I think he was like an even thirty three. There's no way he's twenty five. And I don't believe that. He's a pastry. Chef I think that he probably sells protein supplements at equal. Yes. Also, he is only four years older than her son. So I think that she has lip fillers older than both of them. Do you think that Mary and are young French pastry, chef friend Romain lettuce? Sorry, romaine whose English is questionable. This are they together. And are they really is that? Okay. No. He's all this is my guess, my guess is that he's her personal trainer. She said I got this opportunity to be on TV. I need to make it seem like I'm younger. I feel a lot of pressure. I finally get my chance to be on TV. But I'm considered an old widow now. So what do I do? And he's like I want to stay in the United States a little bit longer. If you could work out. A program for me. Let's pretend that we're together. And then maybe I can get some sort of secondary TV opportunity through this, and you it'll make you look younger because I don't even believe they've ever kissed. Vo. No. It was the most awkward engagement. I've ever the the engagement was rough to watch. Yeah. But really there's a bunch of people that work for that show that aren't on the show that worked for that company. So the only way she gets on the show is if she has this drama with the young boyfriend. So then there's there's Maya Maya is from Israel. She is an incredibly annoying accent. Did it bother you the way bothered me? And when she was in that black mesh top, and she said asked everybody in office to quiet down said. It's time to be silent of the lamb. Yeah. Did you want to punch through the TV the way I did? She was the only one I could have tolerate not do you believe that property was forty million dollars. And was it sold by anybody in that real estate office? No, I don't believe it didn't sell right. I mean, that's the lead in for part two. I'm assuming we're going to have part two and three of this because it was a giant Norma's hit right to should be a full on hunger games to see who sells that house, and they are competing for stilettos and diamond rings and clawing at each other's realtime drinks, not the fake one that Mary gun and also Christine kind of blew off the way that you get your real estate license. It was sort of like you go to the doctor. You get some outer all you study for like three months, and then you take the top student super easy. Yeah. That was a phenomenal statement. That was episode one. I think I was like, okay. Okay. No. I think I think Christine has planned all of her soundbites ahead of tight great. And they're when there's a situation that kind of has to do with that. She goes to her little notes section on her phone and picks the sound bite that she's written. And then she does it for the camera echoing green more. Now. Here's my question. Now that you have watched approximately seven hundred forty nine episodes of dateline. Yeah. Which one of these real estate agents is most capable of committing a murder. Oh, gosh. I want I like Christine is the obvious one. But I'd I don't know. I think she's maybe a softy underneath in is doing this to be the villain. Davina? I think is a sociopath. Davino? We don't see a lot of. And I think there's a reason for that. They're like she's not introduced to like episode three because she became a bitch. So she was clearly like, I'm not getting any attention. What can I do? I'm gonna be the bitch out bitch Christine, and then she got on the show. Interesting. It worked for her. I guess can we go with David? And Brett can we go with the actual Oppenheimer twins? Okay. Because I feel like that's if it hasn't happened already. It's it's coming. There's only been a few datelines about murderous twins. But they're great. Dateline saja? So did anyone notice the waiters in this that the waiters repeat they repeat waiter? Getting credits felt on the red headed ginger ginger at two different restaurant wrecked. And they keep introducing themselves. Keeps me like. Hi, mike. Can I take your order? Hi, I'm Brett. So what waiter introduces themselves number one and that he had the shakiest hands. He's giving the whole milk cappuccino which kept catching my ear because they kept saying it and the Shiqi Cup and saucer. Gig. He's nervous recast. But he they're they're planted. They are planted weights that staff that was crazy to me. Well, I need to go back into watch that where can people find your podcast because here's the thing. People who watch reality television shows also watch and everything to do with true crime. It is none true crime documentary reality show, they all go together. So where can they have their have their hair blown back with Amisi in the interesting murder cases and the two of you, ripping them apart. You can find us on I tunes in all podcast apps. A date with dateline we often discuss ninety fiance, and when Daniel is gonna kill Mohammed. And when that will be on a dateline where on Twitter and Instagram date. Dateline and on Facebook, we're going to be crime con in June in New Orleans, and we have a patriot dateline. And we're pretty snarky Katie cuts out the really mean stuff, but I'm pretty mean. Robin Hood is an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks ETF's options and cryptos all commission free. While other brokerages charge up to ten dollars for every trade, Robin Hood doesn't charge any commission fees. So you can trade stocks and keep all of your profits. Plus, there's no account minimum deposit needed to get started. So you can start investing at any level. The simple intuitive design robinhood makes investing easy for newcomers and experts alike view, easy to understand charts and market data and place a trait in just four tops on your smartphone. 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So yeah, I started out his anti Sistan. I mean, we sort of had this joke that I'm like his chief of staff, but I'm really is right Andrews his left hand, depending on what he's doing. I just had an eight year anniversary with him. So I've been with him for almost a decade. So we really grown together, and he's been such a mentor. So I definitely work with him. That is part of my day job. The other part of my day job is I host a podcast on oxygen called martinis and murder. Please check it out. It's basically at once a week. We do a murder. Case or disappearance case, and the we drink themed martinis to go along with that murder that week. However it relates to the case. So I basically get paid to get drunk at work on Wednesdays at four really can't complain about my job. And then I also have my own Bravo, TV dot com web series called Bravo. Pre-game where I essentially interview all the Bravo liberties that come on watch. What happens live before they go on the show? It's in their dressing room getting ready. And then I asked them questions based on preview clips of what we're gonna see that week. So those come out I've about six episodes coming out and they come out every Monday, you can find those Bravo, TV dot com slash Bravo preaching. So I listen to your episode that you did I know year in half ago almost a you're into method on the Madeleine McCain case since then this. Oh, yeah. Since then this net flicks specials, come out. It's probably been maybe two weeks, but it's called the disappearance of Madeleine McCann again on net flicks. And it's an eight part series. It's a detailed look at the. Appearance of three year old Madeleine McCann who vanished while unholiday with her family. So before we get into the nitty gritty, how how much do you think this series changed your perspective from that episode that you did about a year and a half ago? Well, okay. So here's the thing. Like, we always say murderers recession proof, right? Like, there's so many murders that we can cover. We're never going to be able to uncover all of them though. The way that our podcast works is one where very much advocates of the victim because a lot of times in Netflix series or any series that you see they really talk about the killer. And they don't really talk about the victims. And I we try and give victims of voice. So we obviously could only speak for Madeleine McCann. She was only three when she disappeared do as best as possible, but there's just so much speculation. So before there there was a little bit of focus on the idea that the parents may have done. Something and tried to cover up this this series really imply that perhaps Madeline was taken as part of a sex ring sex trafficking ring. What are you? What are your thoughts about that? It's entirely possible. You know, I don't know because I will say watching it's hard because a lot of times the cases, especially with disappearance cases that usually someone. No, it's not someone that is just random, you know, going into your house taking them for me, it almost made more sense for the parents to sort of be involved originally when I was watching the show, and I it was probably the first I don't know two or three episodes of probably covered this. You know, they seem to intimate that the parents drugged their children with coal pro which was kind of just like a medication. You know, you take if you have a cold, and you know, they were little and so maybe they just and they were both doctors, maybe they given them too much, and you know, Madeleine had passed away and. It was a complete accident. They didn't mean to do it, and everyone sort of covered it up. Okay. They accidentally killed Madeleine. This is horrible. I could see I understand the psyche of wanting to get out of that. Right. Because they were with a group of friends everyone to keep silent about that. Forever. Seems unlikely to me. And they had blood sniffing dogs that found blood in the room that Madeleine was staying in obvious if you drugged your kid, and they died there really wouldn't be any blood unless you know, she cut her finger something beforehand, and so there's just a lot of questioning back and forth. Now, what we sort of know how the series is really playing out at least in the last three or four episodes is it's possible. She was taken into a sex ring, which is a common theme among the watt of missing children, Johnny gosh. She was the first milk carton kid people still believe that he's alive, and he was taking into this underground sex colts and kind of sold into sex slavery. It's entirely possible. I hate to say it it's tightly possible. I'd like to think that because she was taken when she was three that, you know, either. She's not suffering any more to say, oh, I hope she's dead because that's terrible. I hope she's not suffering any sort of place. Engine. She's treated well. I would really hope that she wasn't in some underground ring and someone could save her. I just I don't know. There's so many creepy things out there. And then the other kid who also disappeared who was also three during that time, it's entirely possible. What do you think Kate? This one was really hard for me to watch. I have children around the same age. In fact, I have a daughter who is three almost four not Madeline was taken on may may third. Her birthday would have been made twelve making her four years old. She disappeared. And there was a sighting of her being taken by someone while wearing pink pajamas and barefoot an as ripe before we've started this. I'm taking my daughter the same age who looks exactly like Madeleine out of the car with pink pajamas without shoes on on my like tears me apart. I think also she was up -ducted the week that I got married. So a lot of people will ask me will would you have gone to dinner so far away and let your kids stay in the government, the more. I think about it. I think that this shape. Really this case really shaped the way parents think because I would like to say, no. And I do think that there are many Europeans that have a more cavalier way of having dinner, and and entrusting that they can have their children in close proximity. Think Americans have different point of view. But I also think that. This case shape the way people think because now even at a baseball game last night. I didn't let my kids play on the jungle gym even within sight because Madeleine McCann's case is always at the back of my head. So I had children after Madeline was taken. And I do think it really has changed the way people think about how how much they watch your kids. I do know that well, I have to say that after watching this. I tend to believe that she was taken as part of sex trafficking. And here's why I live in southern California. And I'm friends with a police officer who works in the hate crime unit of the Los Angeles Police Department. He pushed me to get my kids fingerprinted, even the babies, and he said, it's really important because there is a a really bad ring here and kids are being taken to the Long Beach port and they're taken overseas. And if you don't have them fingerprinted and put into an international database. We don't know. Wherever going to be able to find them again. Should they all like, if they're taken, you know? I mean, listen a lot of this. And to your point earlier, even about being a mom, and you know, how Europeans might be feel differently in different cultures than in America. You know, because I think a lot of people, and listen, I'm not a mom, so I could be misspeaking aired, and you could bubbly speak way more to this than I ever could. But I feel like once you let your life out there, and you have children your allowing everyone to judge you. So a lot of times in the documentary, at least Netflix they were like the parents were acting so cavalier about it. And they just want the press, and they're not crying enough, and they're no remorse, and they're laughing. They're doing this. You're not there under so much scrutiny. And so I think when they're saying that it also affects my perception of how I'm viewing them. You know, what I mean, even though I don't have children, and who knows how someone would react to losing a child. I couldn't even imagine that's gonna be the worst thing to happen to anyone in the entire world. I do know that in many of these cases that the police departments or the authorities. Tell the parents do not. Cry on television or an interviews because the captor right? Will look it'll look weak you'll look weak, and they all almost get off on it. They enjoy watching the parents in distress. So they they begged them not to react in interviews. And that's why you see people look like they're drugged or something because they've been told this is the only way to protect your child, you cannot react in the news interviews, and it goes against logic. Because we would think that if we were on television. I say, please, I can't breathe a need my child, right, please. So it's I think the parents are in an awful situation, and the idea that these parents would have done some in their daughter. I don't believe it. I don't believe there diabolical as you mention there too many people involved that would help to have to help with the cover out. They have two other children, you know, like, the they have to their kids and not for nothing. But I do a lot of cases, and we just covered. Chris watts last week we've done Susan Cox Powell aware, it's. Rare that it's just one kid that they if you're, you know, a sadistic parent, it's pretty rare that you're just gonna kill one of your kids. You're gonna kill all of them. If that's the case, you know, what I mean like that. Andrea Yates thing you're not not just going to be one. And then, you know, the only thing I think that was interesting was when the other two kids that they had were like sound asleep during the entire commotion which I find interesting. Well, I don't know. I don't know how I almost four year old and she when she's asleep, she's asleep. So that didn't really reason eyebrow. I think that interested. I think that this family was targeted. They arrived at that resort on April twenty eighth. So they had been there for five days enough time for people to monitor what they did they want. They went into the kids club each day. The families all had dinner at the same tops restaurant. They could they could see what they were doing. Also note was left out to say this table is reserved. They. They were being watched. And let us not forget that this is a tone while it may look beautiful on television. There's an underbelly to it. And it is also in close proximity to northern Africa and more more Tena has horrible sex trafficking, reputation. So I think it's hard for people to to believe that there is this part of the world. That's so sick. But it's very it's a very complicated world there's a lot of money behind it. And I think people if anything with this case does it reminds us all to keep our eyes very wide open and to each other's back. And that's always my hope in some of these cases that there's there is a silver lining to it. And I hope it's that. Well, here's a question for you is like a parent, and I agree with you, a whole hardly endless in these things absolutely exist, and that show the exist in the United States, but they definitely exist overseas. Do you think that by? By having these getting these cases out there of missing children, the disappearance of makes parents now sort of over parent their kid like are we doing a disservice by not giving our kids freedom now because we're so worried about them being the next Madeleine McCann. I am relentless in in my job, which is to protect my children. I will not apologize for that. And that way, and I think that many of these documentaries like -ducted in plain sight and leaving Neverland that and I've had the privilege of talking to the directors and producers of some of those films, and I've said the same thing to them that I think that it has been hugely important for those films to be shown because we need to remember how important it is to pay attention to the people in our children's orbit, and who you know, where they go because we need to protect children. So I will not apologize for that. And the truth is is that Hirsch chief fit the profile. File for a trafficking ring. She's she's a white three year old almost four year old girl. It's awful. But it's the truth is that that there's there's a tier system, and she sort of hit the fit the profile, and she was targeted and there were people that were taking photos of the children that ocean club. So I I don't think that having money still go to the fund will upset people and the other part to your question is I if I were the parent I would try to keep that secret as long as possible because right? It was suggested to me that Natalie Holloway may have been hod like track marks, and you know, had been subjected to awful things. And so if someone is taken and they have been under drugs for like four five years and they've been abused. It's gonna take a long time for them. Unwind. This is not like an aerial Castro situation where five girls live in Detroit in a home. This is these are peep, women and young men who have is slaves a transported from country to country, and and and been slaves, and it would take a lifetime to get over that. So I don't know what the timeline is for for us to know what has happened, but I have to trust that their parents and the mental health professionals that are working with them. We'll know the answer to that. It's just so scary to even think about you know, when you were talking about the perfect profile of like, and Madeline McCann really hit it, you know, because in my mind from what I've seen in the cases that we've covered at least Martinez murderer and the stuff that I read in the news is that you kind of want to get them young. So you can have them for a long period of time her being three, you know, you could have her for fifteen years before she's a full adult. A three year old girl is going to start to forget about her mother and her father and her siblings in shorter. Periods of life. Right. And this is how how it should be. You know, that's especially officially today's age of just you know, it almost seems like these these types of captures would have been easier twenty years ago to pull off. But now social media, you know, I don't know it seems like especially if you're going to three year old. Okay. They're not gonna fight back. Probably not gonna say anything, you can manipulate them in any way. But almost like stealing, you know, an eighteen year old. It's kinda like how could you possibly keep that quiet? So it's such a disgusting. I think people would be surprised to know how easily it is. I've reasons, but Amy Bradley who disappeared from the cruise ship, you know, eighteen years ago, remember, Amy Riley up. I believe she's still alive. I think that she was taken into sex trafficking. And I think that she probably. Feel some sort of shame and doesn't know how to get out of it because in the process of surviving. She may have had to do things in order to to stay alive. And and maybe that's a difficult life to leave. And especially if somebody has forced you to take drugs. God, this is horrible. This is really bringing on my mooring. But you know, what I always try to replace that feeling of frustration defeat with action. Always an idea think that this is going to this. There was a reason the story needed to come out again. And its to remind us all to be vigilant vigilant for our own children and for the children of the people in our own line. You know, in our circle of friends, and all our vigilant that that these cases will start to dwindle. And that we're all in this together. I hope we all don't forget that we're all in this together. Absolutely. And you know, you're so right about just making things public. And you know, I always the bestest infected is is sunlight and certainly at oxygen and on Bravo. We cover the dirty John case, which was a really popular podcast is the story broke by the LA times. I'm sure you've heard of it. And you know, we talked to Debra Newell who was mediums Vic. Victim here. And she said, listen, the reason I wanna do this because I really wanted just show other women and men the red flags and to make sure that they're aware. And they're more villages vigilant, and they're paying attention in the future. So I do think that the more. We're able to talk about this society, whoever dark and terrifying. It is the better will be all around for everyone. I just think that we all need to adopt. The the I don't think so mentality. That's the way I like to live my life. Like you get an answer in. You're not happy with it. You're like, I don't think. So like, I I'm gonna fix this problem. So God parenthetical those poor. Parents just it breaks, my heart. It really does. It's horrible. And all the all the press that they were getting, you know, again, if you're especially because they couldn't cry all the hate mail that they were getting from people. That's another thing that I don't understand. I don't understand. Trolls don't understand people that go out of their way to say something horrible to. Another person and the amount of stuff that they were getting in probably still get is just cut wrenching to watch never live. They lose a daughter. But now they're being vilified for it. You know, what the the other victims that we forgot about our her siblings. Right that they had to continue life without their sibling unto watch the pain in their parent's faces every morning when they got him on other daughter. Honestly, I can only imagine I could only imagine I would be the same way. If I children, you make me feel better about having children in my future. Kate, you you you will be just fine. You've watched enough of these episodes of like forty eight hours mysteries date. You just now exactly tell everybody again where they can find you social media your podcast. Yes. So podcast is Martinez. Murder. You can find it anywhere. You get your podcast Spotify tunes wherever Stitcher wherever you get your podcast. We have episodes coming out every Thursday and Sunday. You can follow me on social media at carpet Darren which is essentially just my name backwards. But it's supposed to be carpet. Diem you can find all my videos on there. I also started a little mini talk show that I do tiny talk show, which you can find it tiny talk show dot com. Avai amazing cake JC, my great guests this week recre-, Greg. Yes. Phil Cogan Kimberly and Katie from date with dateline and Darren carp, the great Darren carp, please go to Facebook and ask yourself to our group reality life with Casey like I said, we're going to discuss ladies who punch on Sunday. And you can also talk about all the other reality shows like there's a lot going on with this hills reboot. It's not even on the area, and there's so much to discuss. And who could forget about all the different real housewives shows, and I'm happy to see that Porsche from real house. By wise of Atlanta is now posting pictures of herself without all the makeup and all the assessories now that she's had a new baby because that's truly what happens you have a baby. It's so beautiful. You're so in love, and you really give two shits about eyelash extensions at least for good couple weeks. And then you're like, okay. I gotta get my act together. So so much to unpack there. And then also you can find me on Twitter at Kate. Casey. I tweet during shows. Does and about shows and my Instagram is at Kate Casey C A, please go there. Check out the upcoming guests that I have. And I always do Instagram stories about the ridiculous things that happened to me all week. And finally, my website is love and knuckles dot com. Hope you guys have great week.

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Gordon Rochford Interview

New Media Lab with Robert Southgate

46:37 min | 1 year ago

Gordon Rochford Interview

"This is a really difficult question. Oh that's a great question. That's a good question. That is a great question. That's a really good question. I love this question and i think this this really is going to help me kind of meditate and grow on it want to hear the answers checkout season. Two of new media lab with robert southgate new episodes leads every tuesday available on spotify. I tunes google podcast and wherever you subscribe to your favorite podcasts <music> welcome back to another episode of new media medialab. I've got a fan tastic episode for you today before we get into who my guest is. Let me introduce myself. I'm your host robert southgate southgate and i am so honored that you have decided to join me as promise last time. I have a great interview for you today. Some of you may know this person and for those of you that don't it is my pleasure to be the one to introduce you to him. My guest is gordon rochford from those conspiracy guys podcast. It is a fantastic show that is totally crushing it after my conversation with gordon i can see why this is the interview that i mentioned in the last episode as s. Having over two hours of additional content which i will be placing on our patriotic page for our subscribers what i pitched the idea of an interview to each of our guests i told him i had ten questions and that the total time commitment would be a maximum of maybe twenty five minutes. Gordon kept me on the phone for almost three hours and it was mind blowing he shared tips and secrets no-one else did he was so forthcoming and honest about his podcast journey. I couldn't imagine cutting him off one of the thing i'll tell you about gordon and his podcast those conspiracy guys is it completely ignores the rules and is unapologetic attic about it before we get to the interview. I do have a little business to take care of. 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Media group dot com where you can find this as well as over the hundred other podcasts that i'm an executive producer on plus blogs videos and so much more finally follower newest endeavor on twitter at indie podcast project and be sure to use the hashtag support indie podcasts when posting your own shows or sharing anything. That's podcast related okay enough with the business. Let's get on with this interview so gordon. Can you describe your podcast. Yeah mytalk passes those conspiracy guys and it's a a conversational conspiracy show where we take some of the classic conspiracies like nine eleven sasquatch. Ask watch these <unk> usual fair. We also do political and cultural analysis on discuss it in a friendly forty forty eight manner and the humor in some of the topics is like the sugar to helps the medicine go down a roundtable discussion usually with three guests and <hes> there comedians for my old life a stand up comic in dublin city in ireland and the join me we have the <unk> roundtable discussion as easily casual conversational and <hes> some of the episodes go six seven hours which seems maybe manageable for for a podcast <unk> yet people seem to love and we get another little feedback people like the conversation they like the kind of casual nature of it and we like to delve deep into all the topics so we go into what's usually on the internet is our our main fair and if there's some books or some specific knowledge that we need to guess we go look in there so the remainder of the show is to take whatever is online and examined that run our bullshit meter over us to see if it's true or not true and at the end of the show at we get off the fence and give our own personal opinion union about the information that we have to find so it's a it's approachable. It's functional. We ruin our browser history so you don't have to look up stuff like jimmy. Savile at bush end the conversation <unk> under discussion like the deep discussion and taken a pirate. These theories is what people really idiot joy. When did you start podcasting. I started the idea. Those conspiracy in mid don't twenty thirteen <hes>. That's where we were doing a show. I was already already given up. Stand up comedy. Eh i was itching to perform in some way shape or form on a <unk> the two original conspiracy as we all came together and started making this show ice tacked on my own in summer twenty thirteen and i started to produce the show learning how to make websites learning how to do with podcast learning about the industry at listening today of jackson's podcast on the podcast and pasolini as well and trying to figure out like what makes you need and equipment. Could we get away with <hes> because we didn't have. I didn't have much time working part time job at a phone store <unk> <unk> job as a traditional irish music at guides ramdan city so you know it was a weird time a climate for a whole year we launched in twenty twenty fourteen in september eleventh with show on nine eleven and into <unk>. The whole first season was over before the end of twenty fourteen so what's over just over four years doing it now and it didn't take off straightway. It has grown to a behemoth now. Are you a celebrity or are there any celebrity celebrities associated with your show. I don't think i'm a celebrity but i have been stopped in the street like a bunch of times. I'll be like only got you the guy from the tang and i'm like yes. Yes i am but i always take step back because we conspiracy finds it could end up being like allows nice which is like. I love you so much stop. I don't think i've ever heard love knife before today's daytime if they can't it if i can't have you nominee will stab stab stab i think now with the amount of people that listen listen for the amount of time that they do. I think of which classes some <unk> as some sort of celebrity yeah but i don't think of myself. I'm still doing sits around in my underwear like macomb podcasts when you started your podcast. I know that you're talking about the podcast part of it but when you started do you think you were a level of celebrity already. I don't think so at all because you said you end up comedy yeah but i mean like sixty <unk>. Sixty people knew who i was like. There's there's more. There's more people at <unk>. Acute style bookstore would have known me for being a stand up lenient. You're mostly friends and stuff you know in like zero capacity was as liberty when i started winning our first couple the twenty thousand downloads amount which is huge for a new show wanted to move with data is getting those emails at the standards audits is cool on it seemed like <unk> vindication stand up here in ireland and you're doing thirty or forty people. They didn't initially buy a ticket to see just you. It was more like a showcase type things so they show up in the news just general comedy happening so you were just like a pleasant or sometimes unpleasant surprise so you have to go there. You have to win them over. It's not like you know in america you go to a comedy show on you. Have you know go go to a comedy show in l._a. You might have as eason's ari is playing and you know him and he's like oh my god we gotta get tickets to go see he's marion. You're in a place where like in ireland it doesn't work. There's just some lad telling jokes dick and you know it might end up. It might end up making a fan or someone on twitter but there's no real infrastructure. Far are the creation of celebrity in stand up comedy in ireland's. Music may be little bit different but i don't think any way successful outside of the medium podcast <unk> for the production of media. Do you think gaining audience today is the same as when you started. I don't like gin audience scanning audience of the things that are universal universal across any you know media forget an audience if you have regularity of both production and quality if you have consistency of of boats lick release schedule and of of content quality <hes> the willingness to adapt and change if you're you're you're content is gonna stay the same forever. It's going to grow too big for the pasta. That's in so you're gonna have to change. <unk> revolves slowly as somehow and realize that don't do that. Don't stay successful. You see that most <hes> in music music where you know the first is like roll and it's all in the garage man and the second tends to be more heavily produced and the tar a lot of intends to veer off into some other kind of genre and they'd be changed a little bit like dylan going electric this still feel so if you're not willing to do dash a <hes> you won't be new audience because the people who could be new come to join your show. That's the same old shit. I was listening to the tree years ago. I i was given this guy a chance. Also the people are getting older. So the longer you have a show electricity black podcasts for ten years so their fans may decide to listen to my twenty if it was like you know a beer and boobs as i called him a beer and boobs by castro it's just like tree fat white guys and they talk about comic books computer games tv shows and indeed reviewed whatever beer-drinking under like color so funny man like those shows peter off very quick because the people start listening to them at twenty by the time they're not. They're like this is blue shift that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm i'm finished with that so if you're not willing to evolve and change and develop develop and grow the audience know for me i find that a common intake her and fostering reach tipping point so if you've read their wonderful the book the tipping point you he had tell you that at some point you don't have to do you don't have to enact that same. They don't have to do that still does the same way not to wholesalers hired so at the very restart we report you know social media post. I have what they call the integrated media so i had like it's a grand plans that ended up being way too much like i made a plan at the very start in that first year of five people's equals work like i i already had a whole production companies job in my head so like i wanted to put an episode on nine eleven. Let's and then have every points is like twenty points in that show that we talk about i wanted to have it's either a website article. Social media posts posting the source article got information from our a ah video x. going deeper into more the visual aspects of something like we were talking on the nine level on for example at the way the towers fall tulsa small coming at the site on the pike acid <unk>. It'd be better if he could look cat is happening while i'm describing go at the end of that video on youtube go and if you wanna hear is going to this in-depth head over to our podcast listen to the whole team so it's the youtube people people are being directed to the podcast podcast per being directed to youtube people who are looking stuff on google would find it into website and then there's the directed either youtube or to podcasts castillo is all this integration that i had been from the very very start. This is going to be a huge multi media. Yeah endeavor all podcast should try to at least have some element to that because if you're not podcast with no supporting the media the only way people are going to is going to be in their podcast up by typing in either. Your podcast name are the topic of your show so for the very start. I think a lot of our audience came in for the madeleine mccann case off you know about that. I don't know it's a little girl who went missing in in portugal in two thousand seven and it was a whole big thing about people think that her parents killed her and hid the body and there's this massive international her national search that still goes on today. It's like a gopher. A government saunderson give millions of pounds a year to the family to find this girl who disappeared more than ten years ago like it's the johnny gosh are jon benet ramsey no of portugal off the top of england because it was an english girl went missing portugal so that got us massive amounts of traffic he like huge amounts of traffic on the website so the websites post host was showing up at the top of our google searches when you typed in madeleine mccann hoax are madeleine mccann conspiracy which is a very popular term because it was still a popular case it was a hot topic topic and then that would drive people from that website into the show on when they get the shoulder like hey. These guys are hilarious. What else at the so like if you were only available in <unk> are in the podcast search where you have to look at the height love your show and the titans of the show is sometimes are episode one one six. There's there's nothing in tight of to let you know what's in the show. Might maybe the description but descriptions would show up further down the search if you typed it into agents so it's like these kinds of things that you have to know and learn at the very start to get an audience straightaway so a lot of people would start to show. Its don't get a massive feedback because you know their egos. He goes said i should be getting one hundred thousand downloads not getting out of not doing this happens quite a bit and you've got you know what's it called podcast creek or whatever we're it really put a fight shows all right once a week and then like three weeks and then it's like five months and then you just don't put ghost you you yeah it's gone because they're not getting the numbers they deserve so for for our show at the stack was an awful lot of audience acquisition and retention by putting in different elements of media so people could cause. I knew the conspiracy has into their watching this stuff on youtube this huge long four five six hour documentaries and they want to be able to disseminate that information with someone so we do at florida we do the chewing and they can just swallow it as part of our podcast and now it's a big. It's a different story because there's people calling me up looking for interviews among other the shows. There's a bit of juice going on right so people know i have an audience. They want the non so we're cross pollinate and there's also like you know i've that'd be on national t._v. <unk> national radio here in ireland of been on loads of podcasts in america the u._k. In ireland as guest so i'm getting into all of those things on it's now more of that ah products that you either like or don't like it's not about me or it's not about break through us a orange color breaking through that kind of veil spiracy yeah the wall like yours. There's a whole veil just generally draft overall conspiracy podcasts and the one that pops out to you the most like i like the way those guys do so you can choose to take in last podcast on the left are if you wanted to hear tree lads make the books so we have a direct competition because it's a very similar flora greg howard with higher site chance he does one to one interviews with delays who write the books that we read and talk about it on our show. He's talking to the actual people you know and then you have the snowflake joe rogan. He gets people any get celebrities. Comedians in talk about the topics in the clinton learned format so it's like a different shade of conspiracy for everybody a now. That's where we're working on getting the audiences. This is diversifying. I'm still trying to make teased t._v. Try to make as pretty youtube channel. I branched out got into doing true crime because default under my rematch of conspiracy theory like i'm a analysis or whatever sure but they weren't strictly conspiracy conspiracy theories but i never wanted to be stricken series from this tax so i think to recap at consistent <unk> consistently improving moving quality <unk> sees the mikes were season to a little bit better seasons free way better and they were up to like pro level. Mike's but that comes with money only sold consistent quality improvement consistent innovation in the type of media product. Did you produce absolutely essential like if you keep doing the same show all the time. Maybe caroline are mac. Myron is an exception to the rule bush. Bush are johnny carson. You know david letterman. They're exceptions to the rule but if you're a podcast you're trying to maintain an audience attorney maintain interest you have to involve yourself and then for podcast and particularly irregular schedule so your tires tonight or montemar or whatever like. That's the thing when people know when they're getting if they expected they don't get you will lose audience and that's for a stat new podcast. That's hundred percent essential to success asked if you're not regular with it people think because they're not like the look on the have over a hundred episodes <unk> under like a release it when he is not stopping now. It's his full-time job bob but if you've only five episodes they're not going to invest. They're trying if those ships are weeks apart. They're going to be like i dunno. It's like watching is like watching the first season of some ropy. T._v.'s like firefly or something like no one's going to watch firefly sees one now because they okay counsels yeah right. Nobody goes it is. They're like i mash so yeah. Consistency and improving quality is the main part right but getting audience what are three key things. You've done to grow your audience a stay true to myself and my own vision no matter what what people have said like audit shows too long are all you make too. Many dick jokes are <hes> you know changes to the way i like it out of the hundreds hundreds of thousands of people that could listen to it to be one cont. That'd be like on like this and somehow because like i said we we have all the detriments of celebrity survivor benefits. They get a direct line to me through twitter and that message hits goes like aw that's sore on somehow there louder than all the praise messages and you start denver stuff like maybe maybe i should make the show a bit different and maybe i should change it to that like don't be listening to people who don't make podcasts. Don't be listening to general off off the street decades. They're usually they don't want their <unk>. Stay true to your vision. Keep doing what you're doing on train improve for yourself on the people who like it with like other people who don't want apple. Maybe they will later on if you get better. That's the attitude to have asked <hes>. The other thing that i've done is try to get as many of the popular bush pertinent episode is probably very particular. Tamale show like to get all all the proper impertinent base information so that i can grow like a plan hades these answer the planet hayes is my second one. Ah i planned all these episodes <unk> earlier episodes are like groundwork on background knowledge to the more complicated later episodes her so when you talk about we have a whole series on money so it was like five money episodes so the first one is like money in the second one is like here's the dollar works at the third one on is like what's the petro dollar and the fourth one is like the history of the federal reserve so it's like growing. The knowledge with the audience at undercharging is if you want to grow your <unk> have a successful podcast for some people. It's impossible but to make content. It's evergreen so obviously if you're you're doing a sports podcast if you're doing like u._f._c. podcast or you're doing that a news podcast watson politics today or whatever like it's real hard to make stuff that stands the test of time on like say like a baseball podcast. That's only good for one week to the next a next week. That's that content is is you you know inconsequential that means you have to regular and you have to be improving equality but you can't make evergreen stuff for a history podcast or if you're doing at politics podcast <unk> a retrospective something that can be evergreen. Leave out like the common references leave about the the the jokes are the most recent episode game of thrones like these these things that would break break. The audiences concentration are make someone feel like they're not anonymous like if you're listening to something from three years ago and i made a joke some taking obama did unin. They're not gonna <unk> joke. League slick watching old episodes looks like watching all episodes of the late show with jay leno and then i'll fry. He's like i showed this week. Did you hear about this. Did you hear about this guy went into a seven eleven and it's like the national magris anymore. People don't watch reruns. Jay leno deal yeah right all right. That's a good point. You have to have current stuff so that people can feel involved no matter when they listen to it on having your like it gets easier to more show as you have because if you have one hundred episodes needed new listeners like your listeners these two episodes that's that's two thousand downloads. If you've a hundred episodes over the space of a couple of months that's a hundred thousand downloads so so the more episodes you have the easier. It is to grow the audience because they're going to go back over your back catalogue. If you're still is evergreen they're ready to go in. Listen to all your back catalogue to get to know you to come up to speed and i get a lotta messages at people to refrain for message the until they get to the most recent one and they're like it. Just finished got to the most recent episodes. It took me seven months but now i mean what's the crack gardo like it's like a half a casual and now i can say hello to you because i know everything and they're like hey what's up. What do you like brilliant knowing all the crack and then they get to have done anticipation of listening to every episode like i i remember when i watched lost for the first time the first tree seasons i watched in the space of maybe two or three weeks because i had them all to download and it'd be anticipation went for new episode like on a thursday or whatever you're like all when it's on it's on your like all yes feel involved like it's your skin it. Yes you're part of it. <hes> rotterdam rather than feeling that loop. I'm like you don't get the jokes because nobody wants to feel on smart and ironically. I don't even know if on smart is a real word. He'll be feel dumb. They don't wanna feel left out. Are you could say you could just go get away with anything like that. So yeah like nobody wants to feel a outside cooed gangs so i do try as much as possible to do that in my show shows where we're making jokes nostalgia stuff. That's way back in the past. Are you know we're we're not doing something today. In the news this happens happens like a lot of our store a lot of episodes history so it's easy to make historic jokes in ends up being evergreen content because you're backed in water three key social media media practices that you've utilized you mentioned some of your social media before and part of the question. I got two parts to this question that i want want you to think about to what platforms do you use with social media and do you use an actual strategy with a plan or is it like we just make sure we keep putting stuff how consistently what do you mean by strategy the plan like what i'll give you an example. If you had a social media calendar and you said okay on mondays we put a edged out on tuesday. We put a poll on wednesday. We make sure that we have or we ask a culture that you sir i don't have i don't have something as as regimented as bash like we'd have certain things for certain days. I would imagine if you had like throwback thursdays days. Are you know a feel fe- feel good friday's or some other kind of alliterative tting include your audience that would probably work but they don't think for our show and you're scrambling to keep up with stuff in there which politics conspiracy the way it is every day as a brand new thing like you could pick your choose the topic to to jump on and you just post away the strategy really had a note from the style was like i said before we release an episodes. Let's say it's an episode on traffic. Watch our sasquatch episode. We talked at the florida skunk. We talked about the aquatic aquatic game theory and then we talked about the picture bash was very famously taken with the blurry sasquatch. Look inside like oh yeah right so those three things in the week release. The sasquatch episode went around social media under wasn't discussion about each of those things so like. I'm trying to take content. That may have been a discussion point that wasn't that that somebody else may have had input on sleep with other social media joined the week. I also put stuff up on the website like more like not like deeper dive into something that may not work audibly. It might have to work. Visually i do work a lot with patriarch folks. I would push like mike and mike patriots strategies that have been more specific so take outtakes and i take the bits and bobs wouldn't go into the main show. I put them on pitcher but social media is like a mix between my achievements as a podcast <unk> achievements of the show so i mean cool the show they always make sure to crank knows an awful awful others congratulatory <unk> by austin push. 'em like re post. Hey this week show. Is this so a lot of reports and reminders that there's a new episode of <hes> port like still discussions from the show's ira push the funny bits that you would find that would be to be something to have <hes> hashtag alerts on feeley so he went to feed lii which is like an r._s._s. feed catcher. Am i have all different tags hundreds of tags for all this stuff. We talked about in all the shows on an infield the every morning like wind. I try and follow. That's a cool thing. Whenever news has come up around that hashtag i would then take a few of those active goes go said for example we were talking about nibiru planet x and and you know the progenitor alien race car the medals at attainment recently about a malware which is a orrock that flew flew past. It looks like a needle. I yeah the first thing the camp the camp site of our solar system ever on. I think it's like a an aliens pains parole or whatever so sharing stuff with a dash. It's always lincoln back then to hey this week things into our solar system mental mental. Did you ever think to his aliens well in our new bureau episode. We talk about this. I'm more check it like that kind of thing so it's always going back to an episode. People can go to a wink. Yeah yeah yeah yes. What's the episodes are cornerstone content and a little bit slow visual aspects <unk>. That's all extra stuff. There's also conversation. I also do <hes>. <hes> live chats so once a month with the patriot folks. I'm with everyone in general but the patron folks can join me on it where i put up the webcam chat for three three four five hours about that months too big episodes so this month we released cultural marxism on just about to release kosovo on the k._k._k. So i do a live chat next week and people come on sunday gets to talk about what they thought about the the the social the justice warriors and the alde rice and like they get to take the points that i made in both of those shows and go like on such as facilities said this thing now i think is that when we get to actually because a lot of people listen to our show wiser walking to and from work or getting their commuting i hear from people i meet relay for to say and when you said this on the show i wanted to show them to fallen that jet that it was this survey was i often get replaced from people like when to say when i say on the show again the name wrong and just to be involved are just the feelings have contributed. They'll send me the correct sir right so they've never communicated with me. The floor and i'm like the guy what's his name the dog whisperer cesar cesar chavez under like no at caesar alan and i guess like five dozen messages correcting me yeah so it's those kind of things people want to be involved in so i try and involve a ah trained involved in that a us buffer which is a <hes> an app that you're able to to write one post post on facebook twitter instagram on on google plus which is better to die largent gocha plus. I also have a sober british and that's usually the place where you have to feel criticism because the people on read the tend to be mildly toxic <hes> but there's a lot of nice people are too but obviously you get your get your cripples. Am i also avak pinterest page. It's not very active but i have all the all the sources now go in there and then communicate with people true d._m.'s on on instagram twitter facebook or probably the three main ones. I usually put the same content of everywhere. I tried to make like and for my for my documentary project <unk> make documentaries. I have a private t._c. G. t._v. instagram feed and that's only available to the people who donate to go fund me on patriots so that's a private feed that i'm gonna have stuff to they. Don't want the general public but they can be part of it and that's driving people to donate so they can get access to that material sampled patriot like you have secret stuff that only patriotic people get stay dollars for them to give you some money ace but in twitter facebook and that you really use one piece of content you throw out but then for the premium places like patriot and you're doing would special things am i getting back yeah yeah and then when i stream i stream on all platforms so stream on facebook twitter twitch on youtube <hes> because youtube and patriots have an integration i stream the episodes live using youtube. I love to do using twitch which but there's no way to make like a pro a private stream on twitch where you candid on youtube snags at so. I met a stream privately just a pantry on folks. I didn't get released at the end of the thing when they released the episodes but like there's there's a certain element of exclusivity and inclusivity to two times insulate jews when it comes to social media so you want everyone to be included. You want that feeling of inclusivity. If you're an audience member you're in on the joke. You're in iraq you. You're you're in on the information. You're not left behind. If you do your homework you can get the full appreciation of the content of the show and then the exodus of pirate is if you want to know more if you wanna get near me like to have a conversation to be involved. There's a paywall on you know. That's that's my wage salary history than exclusive barrier donations so like if people are if people are still on social media. It doesn't have to be regular the if you're if you're buzzfeed or if you're within ago one of these lads like a what's zooey <unk>. Hello bonnie are like one. She has has right right. You go on and on instagram which is like fifteen polls. <unk> lashed out go to many. I can get overwhelming so they don't like the platoon much up there close i wanted to reply to everybody and i do try to replace heavy. I read every message in every email every every d._m. That sent me. I read them all but sometimes you just can't replace everyone wanting to sales by fail on is is at like we said earlier on the negative ones often are louder than the positive ones somehow so i try to refrain in from rewarding that negative energy with a replay but if some things are making accusations sansom sheet here like no fucking buddy to respond to it the natural inclination to be like fuck you so. I trying really hard to not reply you too negative. People are more reward the positive people for their positive input. That's the thing that i think is really important that if someone's willing to glazer way eh positively support your show even if it's just a comment to say hey love your show. This is great that you just like tanks plan like there's more here are thanks for support or whatever to replay more deposit people into negative people is <hes> could your head at its good fear fan base as well. What is the secret britt to your podcast success. I think personally. I feel that it's just sticking to your principles. No matter go mature goes like no matter what people are saying you do are like the technical stuff like people are like oh man. You should get a better microphone. Are you should put up some some san treatment on your walls or whatever like yeah i know. I know i show everyone. It's like we were all if we could all be radio station making these podcasts we would but if people are like oh man you shouldn't talk about such and such thing so much. Are you know you shouldn't make fun on of this. Are you shouldn't do this at i think sticking to your principles. Make no one who you are. I'm i'm being yourself on your show unashamedly yeah when make it a lot easier to grow because you're gonna grow naturally as a person and your audience is gonna grow each seat seatac growth. You're going to be able to be more natural and be more relaxed while you're doing the show because you don't have to put on a facade. You don't have to maintain a fake nyerere's in your your heads to be a certain person like oh. No this this podcast gardo now. I'm not allowed to talk about this or not. Let's say this like faulk as say what you like <hes> to be able to create as much as possible without getting burned out because you you barnardo's if you're trying to maintain that facade you barnard a lot quicker. That's why michelle is six and seven hours long because i'm like an widow. Let's go. Let's go back and talk about this thing. You know that's my natural inclination as a person. If i was in my head worrying about like the audience getting bored are people are going like all these episodes are too long. You know oh you could miss out on something. Important could miss it on a certain part of the conversation that could be the best part of the show right so i think the secret to the the success on the natural growth of the shoal aena as a person on his podcast on his a man amazon media producer user and as a technical operator of all of these different things that are advancing all the time if you're a person who uses audacity and and you get the opportunity to use a better software but you're like no. I won't use this because i'm used to audacity. You're like okay. Just dig your own grave and 'cause that's dover few the people using feed burner years ago under like i swear by it. I absolutely swear by and then like four years ago. Google just went burner. Never going to update that and you have your whole business built on a feed burner feed like you're stuck so being yourself. I'm willing to grow win at the change and stick just having a central principles that you stick to either personally or professionally at a not listening to the miniscule miniscule negative comments that people to change this find your painter on hammer hammer i._b. Yourself that's what's your audience will come and find you and i found that when i was doing stand up comedy that i was trying to push myself on turkey people who hadn't initially uh signed up to see me and i turned up they were like this is not what i signed up fart but if you have a podcast podcast people will find you and they're like i want more which at all exactly exactly did not like it. They can just switch it off to another one. They're not stuck there for fifteen minutes where you can jokes deal lil attacks comedy club and the secret to with i think is is <hes> you know unabashedly myself. What's the next big thing in podcasting as we talked about the four. We started at the official recordings here. I think the next big thing is the unification of podcast stats that unilaterally measurement of all shows and you know with our with our powers combined captain planet like all the kids come together rings together on the we're able to then go to the advertisers <music> as legacy media as as you know at movie studios as t._v. Networks are able to do with the unified the audience measurement statistic yeah. I'm be able to go. This is how many people according to this thing and if you're paying him that much you pay these guys this much so means that it doesn't just exclude artisan just include the massive massive shows that get paid that you can have like a youtube infrastructure where even if you're getting to thousands downloads for your episode. You're still getting you know ten in two thousand fifteen twenty dollars right. It's still some sort of an incentive whereas on a handwriting on the money unless you're making two thousand four episode has dollars per episode like with all all the way up to that. That's like going into a job under like hey canova job here. It's like yeah but you can only you can only work at seventy hours a week. If you work on the less than seventy you don't don't make any money right one minute under and you don't get anything happens. If we work forty hours a week you don't get anything for they worked really hard yea but you have to work seventy around but when you work seventy you get like two hundred thousand dollars a year which doesn't make any sense being done on my tink kim gam a unilateral podcast measurement service may be true. I tunes if our partner with one of the big measurement services like pug track are like lipson abson are blueberry if we're all able to unite declines in all like braveheart william models everyone comes together and we just sign sign on the paper the fellowship rain like we're all together in this thing like an axe that could make monetize obliterated have it on youtube or even small appears get paid and that helps them get better equipment. It helps them be able to pull back a bit from the full time job and maybe the hobby as more of a job. I get to take that power type position on work on the podcast. Maybe at some point in two to three years like flip it over until full-time gig. I was blessed that that happened to be delighted that the i never turned us into a full time job you know but it is a full time job. Sometimes i do in twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen hour days. Yes like your stick to the chair right. You know which is why in japan's exactly you gotta have comfort and but i think the next big thing is is unified measurements imagine statistics and measurement service so that we can finally get paid. What word am i say we in all podcasters altogether with each episode. I tried to come away with three takeaways that was impossible with gordon center view. I've listened to this multiple times already. Take each time. I stopped taking notes because there's so much information coming at me. I just want to absorb it. What are your take what word to say that affected your business and content creation going forward. Share your thoughts on the facebook threat with this episode. I would love to read your insights. You you can find board this website at those conspiracy guys dot com make sure to follow those conspiracy guys on facebook definitely joined their facebook group as well. 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June 05, 2020

Sword and Scale Daily

11:56 min | 4 months ago

June 05, 2020

"Hello and welcome back to sword and scale daily. I'm your host rain? Williams! It's Friday June fifth. Coming up on sort scale daily. An American man is in custody in Russia. Awaiting extradition to Colorado where he's been charged with two thousand sixteen murder of his then girlfriend. West Virginia couple or facing multiple charges after the husband allegedly helped the white paper death to avoid a prison sentence on fraud charges. Finally authorities in England and Germany have identified what they consider a prime suspect and the two thousand seven disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The suspect is a German national already serving a long prison sentence on unrelated charges. All this and more coming up on sorting scale daily. Forty six year old Jeffrey beer of Littleton Colorado is in custody in Russia, awaiting extradition back to Colorado to face trial for the two thousand sixteen murder of thirty six year old charlene void. Voight beers live in girlfriend was reported missing in the summer of two thousand sixteen. Her body has never been found. Voice Relatives told NBC News that she and Beer had been in an on and off relationship for years. One month before she was reported, missing void graduated from Cal Poly Pomona with the degree in landscape architecture and moved from southern California to join beer and Littleton. Her family reported her missing on July. Eighth Two thousand sixteen after not hearing from her for days. Shoot missing along with her car and her beloved Chihuahua Toby. An investigation found the witnesses last saw her live on the evening of June thirtieth. Four days later beer was arrested and charged with sexual assault and another woman, a charge, which was initially described as unrelated to the persons investigation. Later that summer voice car was found dirt law not far from the home. The beer in her had shared. The. What this Sharleen car was found on was owned by beer. A search of the local landfill turnip up several charlene personal belongings, including the decapitated body of a small dog believed to be toby. Court records showed that the couple's relationship was plagued by abuse going back to two thousand eleven. In two thousand, thirteen, according to Channel Nine News Beer, pled guilty to a felony charge of beating void in May of two thousand eleven. In two thousand twelve void applied for a restraining order against beer, saying he'd slapped choked and dragged her and feared. He may kill me the next time. He gets drunk. However, the couple ultimately reconciled. In September of two thousand sixteen prosecutors dismissed the sexual assault charges against beer without prejudice. That could be refiled later. In the filing, the prosecutor said the sexual assault case was related to voids case. It become quote factually intertwined with an ongoing missing persons investigation. The prosecutors were dismissing the charges because pursuing it would require them to quote turning evidence related to the ongoing investigation. Two Beers attorneys during the trial. Shortly, after the charges were dismissed, beer moved to Russia, got married and had a child. CBS News four that he was violent towards his Russian wife. Prosecutor secured a grand jury indictment against beer last year, but did not reveal that fact publicly until Monday after beer was taken into custody by Russian authorities. Beer has been charged with First Degree Murder First Degree felony murder, two counts of tampering with evidence, two counts of attempting to influence a public servant and aggravated animal cruelty. He's also charged with sexual assault, but it's not known whether this is a reinstatement of the two thousand sixteen charges. There's no date scheduled for his trial as of yet. Our next story brings us to West Virginia. K TV news eleven reports that forty seven year old. Rodney Wheeler of beaver West. Virginia was charged with helping his wife Julie fake her death. Ronnie allegedly reported that his wife fell into a gorge while hiking, sparking a massive three-day search that ended Julia was found hiding in a closet in the couple's home. West Virginia State police say they received in nine one one call that a woman had fallen off the main overlook over the New River Gorge at around eight PM on Sunday. Rodney and the couple seventeen year old son allegedly told responders the Julie fell over while trying to retrieve an earring. A search of the gorge surrounding land was launched, and some personal items of Julius were found around the gorge. But according to the Criminal Complaint Ronnie and his son or accuse the planting these items. The search ended on. Tuesday when West Virginia State police were executing search warrant for cellphones and other communication devices between the family members. During, the search of the family home officers discovered Julie, safe and sound hiding in a downstairs closet. The indictment claims. The Julia wanted to fake her death to avoid a prison sentence for fraud. On February Eleventh Julie, pled guilty to submitting fraudulent -application to the Veterans Administration. The Register Herald provided more details about the charges against her. Julie claim to be providing daily round the clock here for relative who suffered from Spina Bifida and who's eligible for va services through her father. She reportedly received seven hundred and thirty six dollars a day and benefits. Julie Sensing scheduled for June seventeenth. She faces a sentence of up to ten years in prison, two hundred fifty thousand dollars in fines and up to four, hundred, sixty, nine, thousand in restitution. Julie were both arrested at their home on Tuesday and remain in custody. They've been charged with multiple counts including, but not limited to felony conspiracy, fraudulent schemes and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It's not yet known whether their son will face charges. After the break. Authorities in England and Germany announce a new suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance. Now for final story of the day, authorities in England and Germany have announced the new suspect in the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine can. McCann disappeared from an apartment at holiday beat complex prior to lose Portugal on the evening of May two, thousand, seven, sparking a massive investigation. She's never been found and known as face charges in the case. This week prosecutors in Germany announced. They are investigating new suspect in her disappearance. The suspect a forty three year old, German national only identified as Christian be is currently incarcerated in Germany. He lived in all of Portugal from nineteen, ninety-five, two, thousand seven, and is said to have been seen in prior to lose at the time of the disappearance. German sources also said he has two prior convictions for sexual contact with girls. German authorities are leading the investigation and should lead to charges. The suspect will be tried their. Authorities have asked the public to come forward with information about two distinct vehicles. The suspect had access to in May two thousand seven. One is a nineteen eighty s model Volkswagen. Westfalia Campervan white with yellow trim. The. Suspect used this vehicle in the spring of two thousand seven, and may have been living out of it in the days before and after the disappearance. The second car is a dark blue nineteen, ninety-three Jaguar Xe G. R. Six, this vehicle, which was owned by the suspect was registered and Jeremy, but was in Portugal. On, may fourth ever the disappearance, the suspect transferred ownership of the car. Someone else in Germany. Police have impounded both vehicles and are asking for tips from people who may have seen them in the area. Please also released information that on May third. The suspects mobile phone records show that you receive an incoming call at seven thirty two PM which lasted until eight, oh two PM. This conversation took place approximately one hour before McCain went missing both phone. Numbers have been published. Police request the person who made the incoming call to contact them quote their their key witness, and we urge them to get in touch with us. The suspect was one of the initial six hundred people that police looked at was not considered a suspect until significant new information about him came to light in two thousand seventeen. According to the mirror, the suspect is currently serving a long sentence for sexually assaulting a seventy two year old US tourist inside her in pride deluge. Clarence Mitchell. The attorney representing the McCann family told the BBC quote in all the thousands of leads and potential suspects that have been mentioned in the past. There's never been something as clear cut as this. Although English. Authorities continue to treat the cases of missing persons on Thursday the spokesman for the State Prosecutor's office. Braunschweig told CNN. It was a murder investigation. Before we go, we've been updated the armory case. During Thursday's preliminary hearing for the three men charged with murdering armory gbi agent Richard, dial testified the armory had been chased then hit by a truck before he was fatally shot. Dial testified the William Brian the neighbor who joined Gregory McMichael Travis chasing artery called quote got him when he saw them following twenty five year old jogger. Brian then got back in his truck and according to the testimony, he in the McMichael's chase, Arbor around the neighborhood, trying to box men. Are remains to of them several times. At one point, Aubrey was about to run out of the pursuers neighborhood, but the McMichael is blocked his way forcing him to run back past Brian. When he ran past, Brian hit rb with his truck. Dial, testified that investigators on palm print on the back door of the truck, con fibers in the truck bed and a dim below them. The Mcmichael Syndrome ahead of Brian. It was at this point. The Brian began filming. When asked whether the McMichael's could have been acting in self-defence dial replied the the opposite was true quote Arii was being pursued, and he ran until he couldn't run anymore was either turns back on a man with a shotgun or fight with his bare hands against a man with a shotgun, he chose to fight. Dial also said that during an interview on May Thirteenth Brian told him that after shooting three times travis. Mcmichael called him a racial slur. Under Cross examination dial confirmed that Brian did not provide this information earlier interviews, but added that and social media, posts and private messages Travis frequently used the N. word. In the video of the incident, a confederate flag stickers seen on the toolbox travis truck. He added the brains phone records also indicated a bias against black people quote. There's evidence of Mr Brian's racist attitude in his communications and from what I extrapolate. That's the reason why he made the assumption. You made that day. There is no hate crime law Georgia, but federal hate crime charges remain possible. Attorneys for the three men all maintain their innocence. The judge agreed the cases against them should proceed trial. That's it for today's episode of Sword and scaled daily. We'll be have a great weekend. We'll see you back your next week. And until then. Stay safe. Sorting scale daily is an incongruity media production. 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Shannon Louise Matthews Pt. 2: Beautiful Princess Daughter

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Shannon Louise Matthews Pt. 2: Beautiful Princess Daughter

"This episode features discussion of kidnapping that some people may find offensive listener discretion is advised. It had been more than twenty four hours. Since anyone had seen karen matthews nine year old daughter shannon despite the freezing winter weather practically the entire police force dewsbury west yorkshire was out searching for her but karen wasn't satisfied. The police had warned her that any interference interference could jeopardize shannon safety but the thirty two year old wanted to do more and so she opened her front door where a crowd of reporters had been waiting for hours hoping to get a glimpse of the grieving family lights started flashing cameras started rolling reporters reporters started shouting and karen started crying begging shannon to come home pleading for help. She looked exactly exactly as the distraught parent of missing child should she played her part perfectly and this is hostage apar- cast original every week we tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage situations and the people inside them. We'll also cover the psychological tactics used in kidnapping situations and with the human brain does when held captive i'ma burma blanco corduroy you can find episodes of hostage and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to to stream hostage for free on spotify just open the app tap browse anti hostage in the search bar par cast. We are grateful for you our listeners nurse. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help. This is our final episode. On the kidnapping of shannon matthews and the town of dewsbury england on the afternoon of february nineteenth two thousand thousand eight nine year old shannon waved goodbye to her friends and left school but never made it home over the next twenty four days the west berkshire police carried out one of the biggest and most expensive missing persons searches the united kingdom had ever seen and as the search progressed the case only got stranger last week we looked into the backgrounds of shannon matthews and the two people ultimately convicted in her kidnapping and her mother karen matthews and her stepfather's uncle michael donovan we also explored the cultural and social factors that may have inspired the kidnapping itself and impacted how it was handled by authorities this week. We'll track the high profile race to find the little girl and and explore what little is known about shannon's time in captivity on the cold winter afternoon of tuesday february nineteenth two thousand eight nine year old shannon. Matthews hopped off the bus after her classes swimming trip to the local sports center and and into the car a thirty nine year old michael donovan michael was her stepdad's uncle and shannon was expecting him to take her to a local local funfair as her mother may have suggested but instead of the fair michael took the unsuspecting little girl to his apartment a few miles away there he gave her a free rein to explore and watch cartoons while he waited to find out what he should do next back on dewsbury moor council council estate shannon's mom thirty two year old karen. Matthews started to raise the alarm that her oldest daughter was missing by seven n._p._r.'s. She called the police and by eight p._m. The entire neighborhood and local police were out searching for the little girl thinking she might have run away but when february twentieth dawned without any sign of the nine year old the police suspected they weren't looking for a run away more likely the not someone had taken shannon and they also knew that their best chance to find her alive was within the first twenty four hours of her disappearance had shannon had any idea that so much of west yorkshire was out looking for her. She'd likely have been surprised raced. After all shannon had no idea she was missing not only did she think her family knew where she was but she was also in a constant state of tiredness and confusion. This was because for nearly two years her mother had been feeding her a combination of antidepressants sedatives opiate painkillers and travel sickness medication dismayed her amenable and easily controlled sanan was also intimidated him dated by authority figures and generally tried not to make waves even if she thought she wasn't supposed to go to michael's house she would have been easily convinced convinced otherwise and besides being at michael's apartment was almost like being on vacation from her family here. The little girl was allowed to watch all the cartoons. She wanted play with all the toys. Michael's daughters had left behind and pick her own bedroom. Shannon was likely happy to have a reprieve from her stressful home life when she realized she wouldn't have to face her parents again that evening. She probably breathed a sigh of relief at some point. Though shannon must have started asking questions either that or karen had told michael about using drugs to keep her docile missile because he to started feeding her a cocktail of his own medications every day he gave her a sedative painkillers and antidepressant and travel sickness pills he also wrote out a list of rules for shannon the list read you must not make any noise or bang your feet. You must not go near the windows. You must not get anything or do anything without me being here. Keep the tv volume low only up to volume eight or lower. You can play the super mario games and you can play some. D._v._d.'s and you can play the c._d. Music nick at the bottom of the list of rules he'd written. I p u which stood for i promise you apparently karen had used used this threat this promise of repercussions or violence when her children misbehaved and so the timid child was easily cowed by it these were the same kinds of hard line rules michael enforced on his own daughter's before losing custody of them between the drugs and his strict rules michael was able to control shannon but it's hard to know what shannon's life was really like there. The drugs left her so confused used that her recollection of the experience was entirely incoherent. In fact for at least part of the time shannon was held captive. She thought she was living with her beloved. I loved biological father. Leon rose it might have been a narrative for adult mind constructed to calm her or make sense of the unusual situation. It's hard to say what was truly going on in her head and any studies on this kind of behavior aren't well documented either way. She did her best to settle into endure strange new life unaware of the tumbled happening just outside back at dewsbury more a day into the search which police were no closer to finding shannon matthews than they had been when karen had reported her missing now they had to consider the possibility that she might have been abducted. Detective constable christine freeman was the one to break this news to karen and craig a fifty one year old single mom freeman freeman had been assigned as the matthews family liaison officer as she and her colleagues started to explain to karen in the most sensitive way possible that shannon was now being considered a potential kidnapping case freemen's phone began to ring the ring tone was a lively pop song song and entirely appropriate for the somber atmosphere embarrassed. The detective quickly silenced it but before she could karen dan hopped up and started dancing exclaiming how much she loved the song freeman and her colleague gaped at one another shocked at this behavior but then they assumed karen was in shock and people in shock and behave entirely out of character as they struggle to process traumatic situations. The british royal college of psychiatrists explains that shock is often a person's first response to a traumatic event. They described the experience of being in shock as feeling cut off from your feelings or from what is going on around you similarly in the british journal of clinical michael psychology p._f._c. charlton and j j thomson right that avoidance and emotional suppression are two of the most common responses to traumatic events lance. This can result in seemingly inappropriate behavior for the situation so the officers could have been right to assume that karen was acting in the state ashok once they were able to refocus the conversation freeman gently explained to karen and craig that they believed shannon may have been kidnapped. Freeman explain that most children are abducted by people they know often family members and so the police were we're going to need to build a family tree for karen craig shannon and the rest of the children in order to do this the police i interviewed all the family only members helping out at the house. Most of whom were craig's relatives. Karen's relationship with her parents and siblings was still tumultuous but they were nevertheless happy to help police. A sprawling local family tree began to emerge police started to realize they were going to have to interview hundreds of people but the one person whom no one thought to include was michael donovan. He wasn't a close relation compared the extended family members who spent every day or every weekend at each other's homes shannon and her siblings never went over to his house after school will he was. It seemed one of those relatives. Everyone jest forgot about after building the family tree detective constable freeman had one last thing she needed to discuss with karen craig how they would manage cases publicity. The press it had already been tipped off and reporters were gathering outside. Law enforcement handles the press on each kidnapping case differently in some instances instances investigators used publicity to garner help from the public who may have seen something or have pertinent information about the missing persons last whereabouts however in situations where the police believe the kidnapper is seeking attention. They try to keep the news of the abduction out of the press. Yes in order to better protect the hostage in the case shannon matthews the west yorkshire police were conscious of not repeating the mistakes. They've made the year before in the madeleine mccann search in the journal theoretical criminology professors chris greer and eugene mclaughlin and discuss ways the mccanns attempts to gain publicity derailed the investigation all of britain had watched the search play out in real time and he sensationalism awesome had led to numerous issues in the investigation false tips a focus on the parents rather than they're missing child and even civilians acting as armchair sure detectives interfering in the investigation as far as the west yorkshire police were concerned if shannon had been kidnapped by someone who wanted to harm arm her the worst thing that could happen would be a repeat of the mcken case after all madeleine mccann was never found so so detective constable freeman told karen not to listen to those urging her to go out and talk to the reporters waiting outside the police assured her they would utilize the press in order to seek the public's help but they alone would need to manage the relationship. Freeman made it clear to karen that going to the press is on her own could jeopardize shannon safety so freeman was shocked when later that evening she saw karen on television. The sobbing mother begged shannon. Please come home. You are not in trouble suddenly shannon. Matthews was a national story. Just as madeleine mccann had been every major publication and network sent reporters to dewsbury everyone unwanted interviews with karen craig and their friends and family on thursday february twenty first when shannon had been missing for two you'd as the police tried to keep the press away from karen craig hoping to manage the publicity the lead detective gave a statement clarifying the scope of the case peace officers visited every registered sex offender in the region while others continue to comb the surrounding area but that evening karen was back out in front of the cameras again. She sobbed calling shannon her beautiful princess daughter pleading for shannon to come. I'm home begging whoever had her little girl to return her. Freeman didn't try to stop the distraught mother. The police could only advise karen on how to support their investigation and karen was clearly upset but it surprised her to see how quickly cairns tears dried up as she stepped away from the cameras. Freeman wasn't the only one who noticed this karen's neighbor. Natalie brown also felt something was off. Natalie and her husband were taking care of karen other children. During the search and before long the whole family was staying at the browns as time went on natalie started to notice that karen seemed to be putting on a show for the the cameras in all the years they'd known each other natalie never heard karen call shannon or any of her children a princess. She thought karen earn was good mom who tried hard but she had to admit that karen wasn't the most attentive parent when natalie saw karen take a teddy bear with her to talk to reporters reporters. She asked if it was shannon's. Karen responded that she didn't know and natalie's concern deepened watching her friend and sobbing and begging on national television. She barely recognised her strangest of all in natalie's mind was that when she tried to ask ask karen if something else was going on karen pushed her away instead karen leaned on craig and his family and started to separate herself from her friends friends at a moment when everyone should have been focused on looking shannon when hundreds of police officers were doing just that the matthews excuse me and family seemed more focused on the media attention worst of all shannon had been missing for three days and police were no closer closer to finding her. They had more information than the day she disappeared. Shannon could be anywhere with anyone and as far as they knew there was a real chance she was no longer alive in a moment will find out what shannon's kidnapper kidnaper planned to do with his new ward. You are passionate self possessed and bring enthusiasm to everything everything you do your the life of the party but you're also a fierce champion for those who have one year trust leadership comes naturally to you and you crave any opportunity to make your mark. If this sounds like you you may be eleo life. You're not eleo that's ok. Whether you're an aries 'capricorno rap record or scorpio par cast a horoscope show for each of the twelve signs of the zodiac find leo today along with the rest of the astrological signs lines for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts simply go to the search bar and type the name of your sign and the word today for example aquarius today gemini today or virgo today and stay tuned after the show to hear today's episode of leo today now back to the story as freezing cold february two thousand eight stretched on practically all of britain was riveted by the strange disappearance of nine year old shannon matthews less than a year after the disappearance of madeleine mccann another girl had gone missing this time from a tiny poor town and west yorkshire each day the the likelihood of shannon's surviving decreased but there was still no more information about what had happened to her. The police continued to direct torri sources towards the search and before long it had become west yorkshire's largest and most expensive investigation in decades coming hard on the heels of madeleine mackenzie disappearance. The case couldn't avoid comparisons and as the press dug into shannon's family. The national conversation started to be more about class than about shannon herself. Pundits and politicians debated the national response bonds to a middle class family like the mccanns versus a poor family like the matthews before long. Karen found herself at the center of the national conversation that had very little to do with her daughter's disappearance. The press wanted to know about her her family and her community and karen who'd long-sought attention reveled in the spotlight much to the consternation of her friends and detective constable freeman and but by the beginning of march a week and a half into the search and with no further news of shannon the story was starting to a slip out of the news in his book chavis the demonization of the working class owen jones writes that in the first two weeks yes she was missing shannon's case received a mere third of the press coverage as the mccain case over the same period of time though jones attribute tributes this to a lack of interest in the working class by the more middle class british media. It may be more complicated than that. In two thousand eight study entitled the media poverty and public opinion in the u._k. John h mckendrick his colleagues argue that a lack of access to traditional media gatekeepers. I keep stories about the poor from getting the same coverage as britain's higher classes or as one unnamed newspaper editor in the study said journalists. Don't slam the door in the face of the poor. They just don't go knocking regardless of the reason. The people of dewsbury more worried worried that the dwindling coverage proved that britain didn't really care about its poorest and most vulnerable and young shannon would pay the price in in order to stand a chance of finding the nine year old. They knew they needed to keep national attention on the case. Unfortunately on march first two thousand eight the sun when of britain's biggest tabloids decided to offer a twenty thousand pound reward for information about shannon's and ends whereabouts it was far less than the two point five million pounds offered for information about madeleine mccann and the discrepancy was appointed conversation in the news but more importantly the introduction of reward bumped shannon's name back into the headlines two days later on march third. The police asked karen to give a press conference in order to help them keep up the searches public profile by this point the window of keeping ping her out of the press had long since passed and they needed any help they could get from the public and so karen went back in front of the cameras she again cried and begged for shannon to come home but then she added something new something. The police hadn't spoken about to the press. Karen told reporters that she believed the person who abducted her daughter was someone the family knew and scared her. She said that made her feel unsafe. Because perhaps this person was trying to hurt her and her family once again. The story sorry splashed across the british headlines and the police hoped someone would come forward with some new piece of information despite being one of the biggest names in the u._k. At the moment shannon's world existed entirely within the confines of michael donovan's apartment there the drug the little girl spent her time sleeping watching tv playing video games and playing with the toys michael daughters had left behind the worst this times though were when michael had to go out because despite his list of rules he didn't just leave the nine year old to her own devices instead instead. It's likely that he tighter up with a harness that was secured in the attic which would have allowed her to reach most rooms in the apartment but not the front door while michael later denied doing this. The harness was found in his apartment and shannon later spoke of nightmares about being tied up and so it seems likely that the little girl was tied up like a prisoner whenever her captor had to leave the house perhaps she she complained or fought back or perhaps michael felt badly because he eventually started to take her with him. When he left the apartment he'd bundle l. her into the back of his car dressed in his daughter's old clothes and drive her to the supermarket. She'd wait in the car. The hood ever code pulled up while how he went grocery shopping and bought her clothes and toys and at least three times michael even took shan into the park at dusk so that she could play and embiid some fresh air somehow. No one ever spotted her again. It's hard to know the details of shannon's day to day and michael's apartment but it seems that he treated her very much like he treated his own daughters. He generally was focused on taking care of her making sure she was fed clothed and able oh to play a neighbor later reported even hearing laughter coming from michael's apartment during the time shannon was there but michael donovan was also also incredibly controlling and strict as he had been with his daughters. He likely used the cocktail of medications to make sure that shannon didn't act out. He later said that he never planned to keep the little girl for more than a few days. He said that karen had told him she'd be in touch. As soon as the reward award money was high enough but as the weeks stretched on he said his fear of her and his concern about the situation pulled him in opposite interactions on march tenth two thousand eight when shannon had been missing for twenty days and the cost of the police searched for for her had reached millions of pounds the sun tabloid raised its reward to fifty thousand pounds according to michael donovan. This was the amount karen had been waiting for. He said she contacted him from an unknown number to alert him to the news. The prearranged plan was for him to take shan dan into the dewsbury market there he would send her off on her own before making scene when he pretended to find her he would then claim the reward money which he encountered would later be able to split. Karen denied that this was ever the case but even if it was the plan it seems james. Michael may have already had other ideas. Michael started to run specific errands. He went to the bank and got out six hundred hundred pounds in cash. He bought a child on board sticker for his car and he started to talk to shannon about going to blackpool the same seaside city. He taken his older daughter too when he kidnapped her couple years prior on march thirteenth just days after the reward was raised he packed up to duffle bags with close he swung by the pharmacy to pick up more travel sickness medication for shannon and chatted with pharmacist misses about going to blackpool for the weekend excited by the idea of a trip to the beach shannon began to draw pictures of blackpool tower a notable landmark landmark. She even wrote a letter to an unknown person about how she and her dad were going to blackpool to take pictures of the sea. It's it's impossible to know what michael's plan was considering. He denied all of this but it seems likely that he decided that since he couldn't have his own daughters back <music> shannon could be his new daughter. Whatever the initial inspiration behind shannon's kidnapping michael was enjoying his reprised sized role of father. Besides shannon was a model daughter under the influence of sedatives painkillers and antidepressants that is the drugs kept her confused enough that she believed whatever michael told her she would follow his rules implicitly and as a child who had grown used to being ignored ignored and shouted at shannon was grateful that michael looked after her and played video games with her and michael the best part was that no one a new she was there so no one could take her away all he had to do was get her out of west yorkshire without anyone noticing and then they'd eh free out of the purview of the police who were turning over every stone in search of shannon. If they escaped soon enough they could disappear ear into the coastal city of black pool and start a new life. The police would never be able to find out what had happened to shannon then after the break. We'll find out what happened. When michael started to get cocky about his success now back to the story oy by early spring of two thousand eight thirty nine year old michael donovan had managed to stay off the police radar nine year old shannon matthews he's had been missing from her home in dewsbury west yorkshire for twenty three days and there were no new leads concerning her whereabouts. Michael wasn't the smartest smartest or most cunning kidnapper but he'd managed to keep shannon out of sight and avoid raising suspicion for more than three weeks and somehow how no one in the matthews me and family had thought to mention him to the police when the reward money went up to fifty thousand pounds karen may have called hauled him about their plan as he claimed or as his behavior indicated he may have decided that he liked having daughter and was going to run away to blackpool with shannon but then on march thirteenth michael made a mistake a relative called michael to gossip about shannon's this case assuming that he had been interviewed by the police already but when they learned that he hadn't been they were baffled so the relatives suggested stood to michael that the police would wanna talk to him considering they were interviewing. Everyone else related to the family road instead of a normal agreeable response michael said he didn't want to talk to the police in fact he told his relative that he didn't want the police to know about him at all and would prefer to stay off their radar entirely. The relative became immediately suspicious as soon as he got off the phone with michael. He called all the police. He wanted to make sure that they knew who michael was and that they knew he was acting weird about. Being interviewed of course police shared the relative suspicions. They were surprised that no one had even mentioned michael before that alone felt worthy of inquiry. Even if michael hadn't said he he wanted to avoid police attention when they discovered that he also had a criminal record for kidnapping his own daughter though they realized they might be onto something and so the next day on march fourteenth two thousand eight to experience police officers drove elver to pay michael visit at this point they'd both been on the case for a while they interviewed hundreds of people been out on search teams and unlike most of the officers feared the worst shannon had been missing for more than three weeks. They realized it was unlikely they'd find her alive. The urgency of the early days of the search had started to give way to despair around noon as the officers pulled into the lid gate gardens council council estate and parked outside michael's apartment. They saw his silver peugeot parked out in front but when they knocked on his door there was no the answer they went around back and try it again but still no luck. Maybe he wasn't home a neighborhood them knocking and came came out to see what was going on spotting michael's car. The neighbor said he must be home. Michael drove everywhere. The policeman weren't sure the neighbor was right but decided to see what else they could learn from michael's neighbors. They started knocking on doors asking around michael's downstairs neighbor neighbor. An older woman named june badly told them something even more useful. Apparently june had heard a small mall child's footsteps and michael's apartment over the last few weeks. She assumed michael must have a new girlfriend. The child must be hers but now that the police were asking about him. The footsteps felt suspicious. The officers suddenly realized they might be onto something. They radioed for backup cup and after a knocking on michael's door once more to no avail. They decided to break into the house. When a few more officers arrived they covered covered the back door while they're co workers used a battering ram to break through the front door crashed inward. The officers rushed in dan methodically work their way through the first floor of the apartment but it was empty in fact the whole apartment was was silent but they had to keep looking just in case. The officers continued through the apartment until they found another lock door. They brought the battering ram in and broke down that doors well inside. They found the master bedroom but again it was empty however ever the room smelled of cigarette smoke and when one of the officers lean down to touch the unmade bed sheets. He realized they were still warm. Someone had been here recently but the police had no idea where they could have gone. The officers were just about to return turned the hall when they heard a muffled disembodied voice child said stop it. You're frightening me. The the voice was coming from inside the bed. Two of the officers started to lift up the bed and found it surprisingly heavy v clothing started to spill out from underneath and then suddenly a little girl's head popped out from a hole in the side of the bed within seconds. The crying child had climbed out from the bed scared and confused. She looked at the policeman standing around the room home and then she introduced herself. I'm shannon. She had no idea what was happening or why. These men were there but she didn't protest when one of them picked her up and carried her downstairs as soon as shannon was out of the room the other officers looked under the bed where she'd been and their curled up in a ball was michael donovan the police told him to get out from under the bed bud it michael ignored them paralyzed the officers ultimately had to pick up the bed and pull him out by force michael thought back but they manage needs to drag him out of the apartment and into the police van as his neighbors watched shannon buckled in safely in the back of the police car watched too will she didn't understand what was going on but the police and neighbors around them were in shock against all odds the little girl they'd been and seeking for twenty four days was alive and safe the triumph and relief the entire community felt at finding shannon annan was short lived as soon as michael was in the police van he started shouting for the officers to call karen because they had a plan to split the money and suddenly the police had to question whether shannon's mother had been involved in the kidnapping and in cahoots hoots with michael the entire time a case that had never been straightforward wasn't going to wrap up easily before accusing cairn of something thing that might have been a diversion tactic. The police had to determine if it had any basis in truth and to do that. They needed not just michael's version of events. It's also those of the only other person who'd been there shannon but it didn't take long for child specialists to realize that shannon shannon wasn't going to be a useful witness over the course of a couple of weeks. The specialists interviewed her in short bursts of no more than ten or fifteen minutes at a time. It became abundantly clear that she was deeply confused and traumatized. She didn't know who had been keeping her captive. She she kept having hallucinations and nightmares that one point. She couldn't remember her own siblings. In fact the only constant was that when asked shannon said she did not want to see her mom finally as rumors started to swirl through the community the police confronted karen and at first she flat out denied even knowing michael then she admitted that they'd met and he offered her a place to say if she was breaking up with craig but she swore that she had no idea he had taken shannon on that seemed like it might be the end of it but then three weeks after shannon's rescue karen's boyfriend craig was arrested for possession of child pornography shortly thereafter craig's mom uh-huh and sister were both arrested on suspicion of having been involved in the kidnapping they were released a few hours later but it was crystal clear that something being more was going on to of cairns friends including natalie brown who had been suspicious of karen's behavior from the start finally decided to confront karen they believe that karen had been trying to leave craig and had asked michael for help somehow her plan had gone wrong and the situation situation had gotten out of hand along with detective constable freeman the two friends ask karen for the truth trapped karen <hes> admitted through sobs that natalie's version of events was correct. She said she planned to leave craig the afternoon of february nineteenth eighteenth but he unexpectedly stayed home from work and she hadn't been able to when shannon hadn't come home that day craig's family had insisted she call the police without admitting she'd been planning to leave. She couldn't tell them the truth. From their everything had spiraled out of control detective constable freeman called in the confession and promptly arrested karen but karen story continued to change jumping from implicating acadia craig and his family to denying she'd known where shannon was before long. It was impossible to know what the truth was especially. Since so little matched up between michael and karen's ever changing stories ultimately both michael and karen were convicted of shannon's kidnapping and perverting the course of justice but even the investigators involved leave they never fully got to the bottom of the strange case and what matters is that shannon was taken care of after her rescue she was protected from the press from the moment she was found michael's apartment and was given the time and resources to heal after her traumatic ordeal she was briefly reunited with her siblings and her biological allegorical father before being given a new identity and ultimately being placed in a foster family who were hopefully able to give her the home she needed wherever she is now we hope she's happy cared for and known only to those who love her so thanks again for tuning in to hostage we will be back next thursday with a new episode you you can find more episodes of hostage and all other podcast originals for free on spotify will not only the spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite par- cast originals like hostage for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker this dream hostage on spotify just open the app and type hostage in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network network. 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March 14, 2020: Shannon Matthews Discovered Alive

Today in True Crime

15:08 min | 7 months ago

March 14, 2020: Shannon Matthews Discovered Alive

"Today is Saturday march fourteenth. Twenty twenty on this day in two thousand eight nine year old Shannon Matthews was discovered in a flat in Dewsbury West Yorkshire England. She'd been missing for twenty four days. Welcome to day and true crime. Apar- cast original today. We're covering the discovery of Shannon Matthews. A nine year old girl from West Yorkshire England who went missing in the winter of two thousand eight after failing to come home from school on February nineteenth. Her Mother Karen Matthews contacted the police in a state of distress. The story sparked an intense search for Shannon that captured the nation's attention for weeks but twenty four days later the police were no closer to finding her and had essentially given up any hope. That Shannon was still alive. That would all change around one PM. On March fourteenth two thousand eight it was a typically cold grey wet Friday afternoon in Dewsbury and the weather was doing little to improve the moods of the county's residents the local playground and badly car had gone practically unused for weeks swings dormant chains creaking in the wind. The same flier plastered every lamp. Post street sign displaying. The smiling girl with a pony tail of dark brown hair Shannon Matthews was the second missing British girl to capture the nation's attention in less than a year the first three year old Madeleine McCann had vanished in May of two thousand seven and had never been found. She remained in the news for months. Of course the mccanns had come from higher stock nine year old. Shannon Matthews came from a poor family and was already losing her place in the headlines after only twenty four days but not in Dewsbury for the small West Yorkshire Community. The disappearance had hit troublingly close to home. Especially when Shannon's mother Karen Matthews appeared on the evening news tears streaming down her face as she pleaded Shannon flees. Come home. You are not in trouble. That was over three weeks ago. It was common knowledge among the West Yorkshire Police that most child abductors killed their victims within hours officers. Were relatively certain that Shannon Matthews would not be coming home alive. That didn't mean the search was over in fact it was quickly becoming the precincts. Most expensive investigation in decades constables had spent countless hours tracking down and interviewing the many family members of Karen Matthews and her boyfriend Craig Mehan so far they had no significant leads. And so it was that detective constables. Paul Ketil fifty five and Nick Townsend. Forty-nine found themselves at a row of apartments in lid gate gardens just before one in the afternoon on March fourteenth. They'd been dispatched to check up on yet. Another relative in this case. An uncle of crags named Michael Donovan. Donovan didn't answer the door but the constables knocking alerted one of his neighbors. The neighbor was curious as to how the investigation was going and insisted that the tenant must be home after all his silver. Peugeot was parked right out front in clear view. Soon a second neighbor emerged from the apartment directly. Beneath Michael Donovan's the elderly woman who introduced herself as June badly confirmed that she had heard Michael Moving about in the apartment earlier in the day she thought it sounded like a Man. At least the footsteps were certainly much heavier than the pitter-patter of a child's feet she had heard over the last few weeks twenty minutes later a battering ram crashed through the door of. Michael Donovan's apartment. Dc's Townsend. Dan Kettle. Well streamed inside flanked by three more members of the West Yorkshire Police Force. They moved methodically through the kitchen and the living room but the apartment seemed completely devoid of life. The master bedroom was locked but the battering Ram made short work of it. The room appeared to be just as empty as the rest of the apartment but the faint scent of cigarette smoke filled the air and the bedsheets. Were still warm. Someone had just been there but we're they'd gone. The constables couldn't say at least until they heard it a faint. Weak voice called out. Stop It. You're frightening me. The men shared a look before they knew what was happening. The bed began to jostle and move. Suddenly the head of a small girl popped out of a hole in the baseboard drawer. She was crying distraught and clearly bewildered by the arrival of the policemen. She continued to crawl out of the bed until she stood before them. I'm Shannon she said without a word. Dc Kettle well scooped up the sobbing nine year old. He carried her out of the bedroom down the stairs and out the front door to the police van waiting outside a few minutes later the officers still inside the apartment. Received a call over their radios. It was kettle well with a message from Shannon. Mike's where I was he's under the bed constable Matthew. Tricky knelt down so he could peer through the whole that Shannon had crawled out of inside the frame of the bed layup thirty nine year old man curled in a fetal position as the officers approached him. Michael Donovan kicked and squirmed. He even tried to bite but eventually they manage to drag him out from under the bed and down to the curb once he was safely handcuffed and locked in a second van. He finally seemed to calm down after a few minutes. He croaked out a single phrase. Get KAREN DOWN here. The constables shared a look of consternation. No doubt wondering what Donovan wanted with. The mother of the girl he abducted and held for twenty four days. We've got a plan. He offered by way of explanation. We are sharing the money coming up. What first appeared to be a typical case of child abduction unravels into a twisted sordid tale of betrayal and neglect pilots nurse. I'm excited to announce that crime junkies Ashley. Flowers has a new podcast original series. I think you'll really enjoy. It's called supernatural with Ashley. Flowers and you can find brand new episodes every Wednesday. We all know that most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenge the unexplained and dissect the facts with a heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready to get to the bottom of history's most peculiar events? Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story on March fourteenth two thousand eight nine year old Shannon Matthews was found in the apartment of thirty nine year old. Michael Donovan the uncle of her mother's boyfriend. The police officers who rescued Shannon were relieved and astonished to find that she was still alive. Investigators Hope Shannon will be able to explain what had happened to her but it quickly became clear that this would not be possible. She was traumatized and extremely confused. Doctors would soon determine that she had been drugged for weeks with a cocktail of sedatives. Painkillers antidepressants and travel. Sickness pills likely in an attempt to keep her quiet and docile. The only thing Shannon seemed certain of was that she did not want to see her mother. Investigators were initially confounded by. Michael Donovan's assertion that Shannon's own mother was behind the abduction. So far Karen Matthews had behaved just as they expected a worried. Mother should but some of Karen's closest friends soon told them that she was anything. But a loving mother and they believed she was putting on an act for the press when the investigators pressed Karen with these accusations she finally broke down and confessed. She admitted she had known. That Shannon was with Michael Donovan but she had never wanted anything less than the best for her child. According to Karen she'd been planning to leave her boyfriend Craig for some time but was worried about what he would do when he found out. Michael Donovan had supposedly recognized the young mothers distress and offered to give her and her kids a place to stay away. Karen said that the plan was to leave Crag on the afternoon of February nineteenth. She asked Michael to pick Shannon up after school and would meet up with them later. That evening with Shannon's siblings but Craig surprised her by staying home from work. Karen didn't want to reveal that she'd been planning to run but also didn't have an explanation. For where Shannon was Craig's family had pressured her to call the police and report Shannon Missing and she'd caved then the media story had gotten out of control and the mother hadn't known what to do that was Karen Matthews story or the most coherent version of it. At least the details and excuses kept shifting and changing. Meanwhile Michael Donovan had an altogether different version of events. Michael and Karen had met at Craig's father's wake a few months prior Craig had taken the death. Hard and their relationship had suffered. Meanwhile Karen and Michael had grown close. Then in January of two thousand eight Karen came to Michael. With a plan to stage and abduction Karen would report Shannon missing then play the role of hysterical mother to garner media attention. Meanwhile Michael would keep the girl at his apartment. Once the reward for Shannon reached fifty thousand pounds he would quote find Shannon and split the money with Karen Neither Karen nor Michael would agree to the others version of events but it was clear that both were lying to some degree and that they knew each other fairly well they were tried as accomplices in the kidnapping on December fourth. Two Thousand Eight Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan were found guilty of kidnapping false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice. They were sentenced to eight years in prison while we may never know exactly what happened to Shannon Matthews during her twenty four days in captivity. It's clear that she survived. Childhood fraught with abuse and neglect. She was repeatedly betrayed and mistreated by the very adults. She should have looked to for protection and comfort during the course of the trial. The prosecution presented evidence that Shannon had been regularly drugged for years. But in the end Shannon's story is one of hope after the trial she was placed in foster care and given a new identity. She wouldn't ever be neglected drugged or hidden inside a bed again wherever she is today. We hope that she's happy and safe. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Today and true. Crime is a par cast original. You can find more facades of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original. It is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Anthony Val sick with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. Carleen madden and Aaron Larson. This episode of today in True Crime was written by Andrew. Kelleher with writing assistance by Maggie. 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183. Denise

LBC Election 2019

2:02:40 hr | 4 months ago

183. Denise

"Dear listeners. This is an email I got from Jackie Smith a few minutes ago. Just getting dressed be about five minutes. Would you like to tell the listeners what time it is Jackie? Yes, but you are. You are traducing me in jail because it is now ten past eleven, but let me be clear with our listeners. Right I got top at just before eight o'clock. I went out for a run. Yeah! Run I came back. I had a bacon sandwich. And then I made the mistake of getting in the bath, and it was very Houghton. Lovely and I got a bit. Lower bit too much when I should have been jumping out ready to so I want you to give them the impression. I've been in bed until eleven o'clock in the morning. And as me, packing up mugs gang up the shop to Drummond as people industrial ever. I've got. A new little a merchandise range in my online shop coming to this week. Didn't want to know what it is. Yes, go on, tell me what it easy and everybody wants to know baseball caps. Oh? See I I can't imagine you a nice red baseball cap with the words I am a care leader on the front. Yes I. I'm kid. As brilliant. Blue with Roger Rather unoriginal slogan I back. Boris. That go Biden Twenty twenty and I'm afraid. We also have trump twenty twenty I'm slightly ashamed of that one, but we have to be balanced and cater for every taste even if they are a bit niche in this country. No honestly if you tweet at, you will have seen this tweet against trump. You get a few Americans having ago, but you get plenty of British well. Actually you're right. There are far more trump supports in this country, the new the newest thing so. Full. I've I've only done a limited run of these because I'm not quite sure that there's a huge appetite for political baseball caps, but we will soon say so even if I've done while I'm not going to say how many, but it's not. It's not hundreds. Let's put it that way so that they might. They might turn out to be a very limited edition if they didn't sell very quickly. Do they have little hole in the back so I can put my hair up and put. Yes, they do. So if you wish to preorder them. They're coming on Wednesday I think you can go to politicos dot. Co Dot UK, and you can find them on the site that. This podcast is becoming one long advert, isn't it? It's like those promotional messages. Pretend. Something, but actually it's just the beginning. Words or other incidental it's. All about the money honey. Name. ME. Months. Right let's tell people what we are about to talk about. Because this is a Saturday podcast. As can be NUT, no loss. I was GONNA. Say Lassen read that's not what I mean. Is it last miss? What do I mean now? Cine isn't all sunny fruit or something. On this podcast. been as Renault larks the game, but no larks, and very little of you know. What is your father? So! We are going to talk about in the next hour and a bit. Face masks the new. BBC, director-general America Hong Kong Madeleine McCann Denise. And that's about it. I. Think in anything else comes up along the way we go off in banding in one of our little soliloquies. Face D say face coverings. Yeah, let's start talking about that. Because the government of announced the anyone going on public transport will have to wear face covering. We should say face covering rather mosque. Shouldn't we because you hit that? They're encouraging people not to wear actual medical masks because they still need them for the NHS though I think the supply of those actually has been okay lately, but still well, yes. Last last night, five o'clock without having checked with the NHS. Matt hancocks suddenly announces the People. wherever they are hospital or caring for people will have to wear face masks. When that wasn't actually the rule before now I think in lots of places in hospitals. People are already doing at, but given the problem that they've had distributing PP to do that without any consultation for weeks time. Is Pretty bad really an. Irradiated people in new secretary of State for health. Presumably, he consulted Simon Stevens. Well I'm I'm not even sure if that's the case, but it's a very operational thing, and you have to have got roaches in fear PPA, if you're going to be delivering something like that and it's not. A week might not necessarily be long enough people to work too many extra. They're now going to need enough got the orders in place. Well no doubt that'll be the next big story then. But what about the story this morning? Yeah, what about the principle of the thing that I because? It's a bit like some of the other things it will. Why didn't they do this months ago? Well also the World Health Organization have changed their advice, have Nyas obvious today to become much more. Positive about. Having to have a of the benefits of using face marks because they were pretty much coming in hiring previously so to be fair to the government, they I think were sort of reflecting VAT advice need vice that they were getting from scientific advisers, but and grant shops were sort of quite convincing. I thought on this yesterday when he was explaining. It's been A. Grown shops as overtaking brandon loose in your affections, I think. I wouldn't Sam affectionate towards him, but he did at least sounds as if he got a career an argument when he was on about it yesterday. and. Of course, the argument is the in. A week's time now we come Monday on the fifteenth. Because a lot, more shops and places will be opened up more people to go into. Be Traveling on public transport. Therefore, it's going to be much more difficult to keep an appropriate distance between you, and therefore, whilst you're traveling on your train or your boss or youtube wherever. You should be wearing face covering because walls that might not protect you. It may well protect you from. Spitting over somebody else. And therefore passing on the virus. And That's I think that's the reason for the change, but the trouble is. It comes a time when my feeling is I. Don't know what you think, but my finance people losing a bit of faith in the Prime Minister, the losing a bit of faith in the government's handling this, and therefore it becomes much more difficult for them to put out any message and for people to believe that this is actually going to be. You don't this is legitimate, or this isn't just a sort of way of appealing to the public. Do Think city-khan is being a bit rich on this when he says I've been pushing the government to do this for some time, but the fact is, he could have easily done it on Tran- on London. Underground buses right from the start if it wanted to. He has got the power to do it. guestroom recommendation noted he, as he got the party changed. The lava will will the government said that I'm not the government entities you need or I think no. I think they are making it. What do they call it a a condition of passage so that? Hong could have done that on London Underground easily. About that but to give him his Jew, he was saying it way back. In fact, he was saying it before I, even thought it was sensible thing to be saying, but you will saying. And this is something whether the science is very inconclusive illness. Isn't it as to, but you think well, even if it actually only helps matters by, say ten percent, you'd still think it was worth while doing and I. Should I ever go public transport again. I will wear on I know I will really self conscious about it. I'm I I went up to the corner shop. Just now to deliver parcels and every single person I saw either on the street, or in the shop, had face Moscone apart from me. Really Yeah Golly. That's a change well I haven't been around your neck of the woods, but I would say. Well. I'm going to the later today I will check. In terms of the statistics that the the slowing of the death rate. is a of a concern, isn't it because we've still got over on average this week on, if you every average over the week, yes, the numbers are still coming down, but they're not coming down the rate. You would hope. And what's more and we talked about this I think it was last week when I said Andy Burnham, been arguing for more information about regional our rates regional reproductive rates. It appears today that actually in the northwest the alright is potentially above one, and therefore you've got You know if it's below one in other areas. Well if nobody's traveling anywhere, you sort of feel that perhaps particular action should be taken in those areas where it is above one. That's why for example I think today, one of the the Great Manchester, authorities is suggesting that their schools shouldn't be going back now for another couple of weeks and. People are understandably worried because if you think your chance where you are of getting, the the virus is much higher, and what's more, that's going to multiply because you are rate is above one well. You'RE GONNA. Want some different action taken on here. Why do you think the alright would be different in the northwest as opposed to the Midlands or the Northeast I? Don't know that's a good question. I don't really know the answer to that I mean perhaps. I mean certainly the prevalence of cases that we've had. Our hospital isn't the, but this is obviously where most people obviously contracted. The disease has been in areas of the city. Yes, where there is. ethnic minority population quite often. But also of course where people are likely to be living much more closely together where you may have more people living in a house where. Out is likely to bring you into contact with far more people I. Don't know if it possibly something because we don't know what the our rates in Birmingham Oars. Let's say a month ago. When cases were much much higher than they are now, it could have been the sort of levels that we're now seeing North West. Do you think we're going to get regional lockdowns? Or even even just individual cities or towns. Somebody had said yesterday. I haven't been to find proof of this. That western Superman was being lockdown for the reason which is the constituency of John Penrose whose wife Naito harding is leading the track and trace initiative which is. A. What did happen in Western super-mayor was that they had to close their hospital to admissions because. They became too full. I think it was an grouping for wisdom covert so First Time that's happened, isn't it? I think he I think. Is People sort of? Get to sort of very high levels of. Seriousness in hospitals and they sort of effectively closed their emergency departments and diaper people to other hospitals, but my impression in Western. was that this was something even more than that it's well of course everybody feared might happen. As we went into the first peak, and which thank goodness didn't happen in most parts of the most parts of the NHS, but that you know I wonder I think people do worry that we may now becoming becoming a little complacent, and it wouldn't take. Take much of an upturn for the NHL to be under normal pressure again. Not least because what we're now trying to do is to develop co fit free hospitals or parts of hospitals so that we can start doing operations people again because there is a real risk that if we carry on putting people's operations, for example for what is at the moment. northerner, geant cancer treatment, but could very quickly become urgent cancer treatment that if you're not careful, you see deaths from cancer rising just as you'll reducing deaths from covert, it's really really tricky situation for hospitals, and sometimes for individual patients, because sometimes people say no, it's all right. I won't come in my operation because I don't want to have to isolate myself a fortnight. which is what you have to do or I'm what I'm still worried about what might happen and then pap? Potentially things become wistful them. So in terms of urgent cancer treatment is still being carried out. was just all cancer treatment stopped? I'm in most cases. If it is really urgent, it has still been being carried out, but you know obviously anybody an embrace being certainly in our hospital has been sort of individual, a assessment of each people, each person's case in order to determine what they need to happen and win, and radiotherapy has been going on for example in terms of treating people, but particularly some of the diagnostics that might need you to do an anesthetic all to do. A more invasive type of procedure has had largely stopped during the course of the covert outbreak, and partly this was because weighing up the risk. This the medical device was if somebody comes into hospital to have an operation and they have covered that makes the anesthetic much much more dangerous than it would otherwise be so so this is a sort of balance of risks that people have been working with over the last eight weeks so. Now if you got an invitation from anyone to go to a barbecue, which you accept. Well No, if it was a spectator journalists no! Most bizarre story this is. Deputy editor Freddie Gray who I know they used to be on. CNN talk with occasionally. A more level headed guy. You could not hope to meet. Apparently, Scott high on the Olive Wyatt and he decided to hold a barbecue invited Bob Seeley local MP as you. would. I suppose if you're holding barbecue? Your deputy editor of the spectator Richard Tyson, the brexit party and his squeeze Isabella Shot, they were there amongst various other luminaries and Bob of causes now how to apologize for getting, but what on earth entered any of their minds? because. Even if I mean natural fact, this was before you could even have six people in Europe. Wasn't it as I understand it, what were they thinking off one? It was over six two. It was before they were allowed to do it anyway three. It was strange. Bunch people by me. Nuts price of. Up That's not. Having having read right wingers in your garden, it's not against the regulations as far as I'm aware. But. All to be. Well, it's a gate. My personal regulations eight. Tyson shot in my back garden. To Popular Room. Sorry Graham now it's not stop. now, also, of course, this enables us to talk about. The return of were spitting body got. Barry Barry, Barry I mean seriously, and we haven't heard from him for two or three months after he was summarily fired by. Kiss Tom from the shadow cabinet. And, then he decides that he to break social distancing rules by going to be supportive of all the demonstrators. In Whitehall for black, the black lives matter protest because he wanted to take a knee height expression. Again, you think well. What was going through his mind. I feel really really conflicted about these protests. Because there was a protest in Birmingham on Wednesday evening. Actually people it to. I wasn't there, but it seemed to me that people were making as much effort as they possibly could to to socially distance and presumably these people without symptoms. That's why they were out. But the problem here is the wideness, and the power of your case doesn't undercover doesn't come the danger over mass gathering at a time like this and you know I wholly understand what I can't holy understand, but I try to understand the power of people's anger and concern over this and wish to sort of demonstrate solidarity with what's going on in the US, and with you know their fears about the situation we face in the UK, but people are going to catch co fit because of these protests, and that is a dangerous thing. Now Barry Gardiner must have known that he can't have been unclear about what the regulations are around a mass protest so whilst. Think. People should gather light that understand for a lot of people why they would. I have no idea why he thought it was a good idea because everybody was going to focus on him going and the reaction of other labor. Frontbenchers is actually from sort of mildly to extremely pissed off as far as I could gather from the sort little things. I was saying about him. Well it is I think tightly responsible of him I'm. I kinda I sought of gats, the protests, but in other ways I genuinely don't because if you if. I think in Birmingham. They were protesting against the lack of action by the government in terms of protecting Beim people because they are more risk from caveat, and you think well the thing about the logic here I mean if if that's what you're protesting about whether there are other ways to protest I guess, but you actually putting yourself in danger by protesting as the very thing that you're concerned how I mean the logic of this is just ridiculous and find if you're going to have you. They started in London in Hyde Park or clearly. Distance in Hyde Park. But not count if you've got thousands of people congregating in Whitehall. And, that was what really got me ignore the fact that there was sort of the old violent incident in my own throwing things at the police, which I thought was a disgrace, but the very fact that had all of these people predominantly from ethnic minorities, but not exclusively. What was going through their heads, but I think the distinction here is. What was going through their heads was. We've been telling you this for years? You haven't been listening. Look what happened in the US we feel in. We don't know how to have a voice so therefore we want to demonstrate literally our anger, and our concern over this, so that people will listen right so there is some justification for that Barry Gardner Hazza Voice. He could have stood up in parliament. He might AKIVA forty five minutes, but it could have stood up in parliament and use that voice to make that case he didn't he chose to gotten. Grandstand with the protesters and that's where he's. He's very. He's much more wrong than they are. What let's turn our attention to what's going on in the United States oversee their been huge protests and quite a lot of. Arson vilest while in about seventy five cities across the country, people are saying it's the worst protesters nineteen, sixty eight, and I remember seeing the result of these nine hundred and sixty eight protests, but my first visit to America, one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine thousand nine years later in Detroit, though whole areas of Detroit that still had burnt out houses, and it was quite horrific. I mean it's like going through a post. Apocalyptic city, actually all sort of a city. They're being attacked by nuclear weapons. It was that bad and I was really shocked by this. And of course the these fires going to mean that they're going to be more places like that now. Donald Trump, obviously has not covered himself in glory over the last week, which is probably the biggest understatement of any theology podcast. Him To comment yesterday about the latest. Employment figures whether the apparently two and half million jobs were created in May I. Mean how how that happened, but anyway. and. He said that George Floyd will be looking down from heaven in aberration. And you just think to yourself. How could anyone think that was an appropriate thing to say? It was. Would you just you you jewel drop any further as far as donald trump is concerned. Can It really you just let a time? When people said this, there have been loads of us. Presidents who I have pretty strongly disagreed with on quite of the policies, but not one of them can I. Imagine wouldn't have at least tried to bring the country together at a time like this. When have found some words and some action? You would hope. To try to. Do something about what is clearly an a massive race and policing problem in the US. And not, and he's done none of that. He's just stood the poll on every occasion, and interestingly I hadn't I hadn't understood this, but listen to the radio this morning I didn't know the on earlier on this week. He did a two who were tweet on the two words were silent majority. It is disgusting because I think what he thinks he's doing is appealing to the people that he wants to vote for him. In November, who he believes will respond to this sort of barely veiled racism that he's tweeting and the soft aggressive. Get the troops on the on the streets sort of rhetoric that he spouting it is the antithesis off the type of leadership that you need time lightness, and it's just utterly appalling, and at the you know I've been give Boris Johnson his Jew. He has at least publicly not very much, but he has at least publicly said. This is not the type of approach that you should take his sort of criticized donald trump this week as have of course. Loads and loads of other people, but it's having. It is resonating in the UK. I've been quite surprised in all of the places that I work with immense strength feeling from black, Asian and minority ethnic people, and from others who who want to support them that he's much stronger than anything I've ever experienced before which rightly had to be knowledged should be acknowledged by those of us who are leading those organizations because our star and the. The uses of our services I'm really really impacted by this, and that's partly because of the hideous of what happened the killing of George, Floyd but I think it is also the awful spectacle of a country that is all the leadership country that he's completely failing to listen and acts on the anguish in the clear injustices exist in that country, and to certain extent in our country as well. We don't normally do this in the podcast, but I want to play a clip from my show on widened stay night. where I took a cool, we were talking about The protests and took a call from denise and Enfield. And it was one of those calls that will live my memory for quite a long time because she had a real go at a four seeing. Everything through the prism of being a white male I kind of bridled at that a little bit and we had a good natured sort of referring She then had to go at the media for not having enough. Me Representation particularly LBC an I said things which I think were shall we say slightly across the boundary of what people would have expected me to say? And it had an interesting results. Let's let's just listen to that call. Right back to your calls, let's go to denise his infield Hi Denise. Oh Hi thank you taking my call, so I think the question that you pose which is about the social distancing of the be any protesters. Leslie Excuse me. I, think that was the wrong question and it was posed to create a particular response in terms of the people who call into the show I. Think what the question should have seen is if you're concerned about particular outcomes, namely social distancing, what is the important things that you need to think about these the other issues that you come out for and I think what you find is that a lot of people have come onto the streets because we are I'm a black woman. We're very concerned primarily about our life experience. 'cause we're not just facing corona virus. Facing Corona virus plus racism, so you have the NHL Chris report that came out today and spoke usually about the fact that. People are more likely to die from the corona virus, but then the government response was absolutely mill and what we have, the hill is we have so many of our own community experiencing poverty as well as racism, the outcomes of those things impact on our lives, so the question around social distancing and I think was wrong, and it was post primarily because of your own personal prison about issues around race so I'm allowing you to respond. We'll do tell me what my personal prism around races. Well in in the Times that we have in the north fifty years in this country, we had one thousand, four, hundred forty one death in police custody and I. Don't recall any show or any woman Saito on this entire radio station ever picking up on it. We have combination nine investigations in Birmingham, police brutality, and this list I'm GonNa. Read out to you all the deaths in police custody of people since jared totally Gardiner Liam Bricks Christopher older. Russian Charles Asami Lewis. Saunder read mock duck, and these are the people in my community who died and I don't really have a commentary coming from people like yourself about those issues so when you pose that question. The question the when you post a question about social distancing that was based on a question that was based on your own prison as a mine and someone who is in a of privilege. If he were black, you wouldn't even awesome question, and that's my point to you. Think I would actually I I really object to it when people come on the radio and say Oh, because you're white, you don't. You're not entitled to V I? Asked a question. It wasn't designed to elicit a particular response. I think is a perfectly reasonable question to ask when we're all being told that we can't congregate with groups of more than six because of the health dangers, and I think it is entirely right to point out that not only where the demonstrators today not practicing social distancing. There was a street party in Brennan today. Last night, hundreds of people clearly not practicing social distancing now I don't care whether that black or white. That is wrong. If you're saying to me. you I. Call an off, could you? You're asking the question. At the white person. I'm allowed to ask the question. You are allowed to ask the question. That's not the point. I'm making the point. I'm making is that you'll go prison experience is that if a white male you know understanding? The. Monday deny. You know understanding and no comprehension of what it is to be a black person in this country and experience discrimination. You got no knowledge of it, and therefore you're only understanding is going to be I. Know you'll saying you may have some degree of understanding you know in certain circumstances, but you're not gonNA. Know about how it feels to experience life as a person of color, and therefore your on one. Let me just finish my point, and therefore you'll Kristinova understanding. It's only going to be articulate through own experiences. Just me off. Quick Point on on L., C.. You have one mandated presenter. One everyone else is why a male do you think that's an accident? Miss Dale. That's not a point that one or two of us have made over the years to those in charge. I think the point of whether it's been made on not. Frankly superfluous, the fact is the reality of the experience. Is exactly the same? You don't have anybody else on that radio station in the entire organization that has any understanding outside of their own narrow prison. Never talk with the one moment when we talk about the meritocracy, but it's a boss. In, relation to your question, is it? Should they be socially distancing where we are imprisoned to forty percent more than any other community when nineteen percent of the population? How is that case that's been going on year in and year out. How many people are commenting about? Just tell well, look, don't keep asking me questions, denise and not allow me to respond to them, can I? Send myself an just just listen to us and then come back in. Have a garden. If you want to I've been on this radio station for ten years I. Don't know how much you've ever listened to me on my programs over those ten years I will stand by my record of covering issues of race am. I have been incredibly critical for the metropolitan. Police over the years particularly on stop and search to the extent that. They've been very unhappy with some of the things that I've said I encourage people from ethnic minorities to phone in I'm not a presenter who dog whistles to people to for racist to phone into have ago people of different colors. It's something I've never done. I would never do it. I don't ask provocative questions designed to do that. Because I. Know Look the easiest thing for anybody on the talk. Radio Station is to throw some red meat out to people and you and you get a load of calls, but all of them are calls. That probably shouldn't even be at I don't do that. I genuinely don't do that. Okay. I think I can't say that I agree with you because I have listened to your show and I've listened to a number presents it on NBC. Because the show obser- is, there is no other radio station anybody listens to. This is the only vehicle and invariably every issue about race is on circulate between is articulate for a male prison, and as a consequence of that you have a skewed exercise. The gentleman came on before you. He said he had to lie or mislead research so he could get on. Didn't. That's annoying. He didn't hold on a second yet. He you may say he didn't have to do that but I know he did. Okay. I'm sorry I'm not going to let that go, so he did not have do that. I just look if I thought that calls are being screened for that reason, I would immediately resigned my job because I. don't want to work for radio station. That would do that. The people the answer the phone. I mean I know who they are. I'd see them every day. I know what kind of people they are I. Know that none of them would ever ever do that. It's a simplistic. Moment if I could count to me because it's the truth Oh, okay, okay, well, let me give you alternative perspective. The reason I think the gentleman said what he said is because his life experience has shown him whenever there is a platform and whenever they issues I want to be discussed about race, they are invariably articulated through a prism of whiteness, because we don't have access to particular animals conversation. We don't own any radio stations that black communities. We don't own any of the infrastructure. That's a separate debate. Therefore, you have to go to the places where you already experiencing this comes certain discrimination and to get through the door. You need to riddle and that's. That's what that gentleman with explaining to you. Now you may say, hold your up. No, no, that's a perfectly. That's a perfect point to make I. I I would take that one, but we we might produce I've just got a little message on my screen from my producer, saying we let Denise on knowing she was going to say this, and he says I would say resign as Jake. The guy that took your call so i. know what I can do to persuade you. Denise knees, but we do not operate like you think we do I can assure not, but what I can see. LBC is the outside of Sheena you one woman and you've got. The rest, if the right boy club, and therefore as far as I'm Rachel, Johnson. Okay well I am. How what did you? She goes through? Let's face it. She's the prime minister sister. She just call upbringing. It was brand you know brand association. How come she was able to get adult? I mean what? I'll be into you. Question you are asking me a question. I call on Sir. I'm going to. I'm going to be completely honest with you. In the? I, would like to see a more diverse presenter lineup on all radio stations. We are not alone in this. And I would like to see that and I have made this point to the people who make these decisions I can assure. Forward I'm probably. I'm probably. Well I'll tell you what you'd be brilliant presenter. Food Bill if the sentinels what holding me back and that's the treat them. Or producer. I mean look. I probably said mobile than I should have done in this last few minutes I'll probably. Get into trouble for it, but if I'm not here tomorrow, you'll, you'll know why. Well. Wouldn't that be up for the books? and. I bet. I'm genuinely look I. You said a few things which I fundamentally disagree with particularly about the way we operate. He said if he thinks are well-meant, and I have listened and I hope other people who are listening to this program will listen as well I cannot say more than that. Denise. Thank you very much indeed well that we. Now don't think you heard that. The time oversee. We're inserting in, so you heard it now quite quite difficult for you to comment into on it. Did you find her on at the end of the cool? No I didn't. After side I just felt that there was something about her that. Was a bit different. I thought she we hear more from her. So I felt I got a phone number from producer at the end of the show, and find her up and sort of explained a bit more of the things that we talked about and she was very receptive to it all. It was all very very friendly. And then. I had a couple of discussions with. My bosses LBC and We all agreed. We should have on the next morning. So that's what we did we. We raised it so she would come in. She was actually in the studio. Obviously I'm no. I'm doing it from home, so I haven't actually met. I didn't even know what she looked like a so she was the between eight and nine and. I I I. I sort of described to I said she's going to co present, and she really really did and in the end after about rubbing your hands again. Oh sorry, yes, it's. Keep hand soft for you. I'm. So. We thought. So YouGov poll came out. He did a brilliant job, but basically is what you're saying. Fifty to fifty two percent of British people think we live in a racist society I thought well. That's the hook for the discussion. and. After half an hour, I could tell that she was completely capable of doing wgnradio present a needs to do say she introduced the eight thirty news came back off the news she was introducing callers, and in the last half an hour I basically sat back and let her do her own job application. and. Boy! Did she grab it with both hands? The first time of doing that with no some prior training. That is phenomenal to be able to do. That turned out that she does do podcast and I think she a couple of things colorful radio, so she wasn't totally a total be, but. As I on, she done anything like that and she was obsessed. He brilliant I never seen an audience reaction like it I mean even now I'm still getting texts. tweets from people say oh my God. I just listened to denise. She was amazing. You must give her a program of not within my control but I'm she? She will be back. She'll be getting we'll. She looks she getting because I mean as far as I'm aware there aren't any black faces on Lbj be there. So we'll she getting the chance? Well, that's that's the thing when that was her point. You've got magic was. She used the word. Heard. Melanoma something an anyways in the call, so you will have heard it. And then she's talking women. Obviously, we've only got Sheila and Rachel Johnson. I'm saying. And I said look I have made these points to those who make the decisions and I agree with you. It's not just this radio station, though its most others that have exactly the same issues. So well, we will see look. It's not within my gift to give an easy job but I. think that she displayed. Enough ability to be given a chance to do something I mean I. Think we'll have a back on my program reasonably regularly, but I don't know the answer. I mean I would love. I would love to see it happen because However, Somebody said look. They've counter. We've got fifteen presenters on LBC. So if you actually look at it in, I mean if you if you were going down the Coterie which I don't think you should do. Actually you would only have one or two. So I mean we can get. We can't go overboard here obviously with women well. You could say it should be. Yeah given that you not London only, but you'll very big in London, and there's a flip incite more than ten percent of the population, a black majority ethnic in London. But I mean should. Should we really look at these things as? A will if Should should you should reflect? The population. If you look at the number of gay presenters we've got. We are far over represented. But I mean nobody really whatever compl- at the High Court, to terrible trouble when I said that. Gay People are actually are getting close to being over represented in the House of Commons. Letting the side down and I mean I didn't actually say that they were I said. We're getting close to the point where you could argue that, but of course people don't see the nuance of of that, do they? But it doesn't make you know I. I understand your point about quotas. Actual fact I think if you want to change things as with all women shortlists in the Labor Party. Sometimes you do need to have positive action positive discrimination in old to do that. But actually the argument for it is, doesn't it make? Just? Isn't it likely to wear new listenership? Isn't there S A commercial? Could be being made. Must even I much as I love you in and I do listen to you, LBC I do sometimes think to myself is all a bit white male when I when I turn on and actually a different sort of voice, she relaunched. Our example does make a difference to how you feel to whether or not. You feel that you get in a variety never. Never mind myself being represented on their now. You're absolutely right and I saw that on twitter. There were people saying they knew I had announced she was coming on. They said they'd never listened before or they were white. People who found that they learn something from her I mean that were. That were white. People who didn't want to learn anything from her and. Say! I can't believe you. You're just going so woke. You'll so lefty and having all these ethnics. Well they get pretty short shrift from me, but I would say. Am Barry Mind this twitter? It was ninety ten in her favor an. People, really being very enthusiastic and I I put the whole thing on my all talk and whole show podcast so people and it's got the initial call, plus the our, and if any of you got now to spare at all over the weekend, do give that a listen because it was really refreshing, and in fact, let's play a couple of minutes of denise in our because I think you'll be quite impressed by this. And these you are actually sitting in my seat on. She I'm just keeping at one for you in, so yes I am. Old I'll try and believe that. Now one of the things I want to talk about this with you. It's obviously what's going on with. The black lives matter protests. I'm public health England report, but also this YouGov poll that has come out today, which is very relevant for our discussion, shows that fifty two percent of people over five thousand people surveyed so looks fairly representative fifty two percent thing that we are either a very or fairly racist society. Now that kind of confirms what you were saying last night. Well I'm not surprised and thank you very much for inviting me onto the show today, but I'm not surprised that a lot of people have that perception about their life experience, because invariably their day-to-day. day-to-day experience shows them that they are the victims of discrimination, and you can look at it in certain from certain angles, but when it comes down to a consistent activity all the time. You can't say that race has a huge factor to play in the life, outcomes of people of Color and black and Brown people so surprised by what the Yougov report says I. Just think for some people. It's a little bit shall I say non black people for them. It's more of a own my gosh. Is this actually true? So I'm not surprised. Do you think that this is particularly true for people of Africa are African Caribbean. or I mean a lot of Muslims. Listening might say well. You think you've got it bad We have a even worse I mean I. Don't want to construct a league table here. But what's your view on that? I think when it comes to like the Caribbean Community. They're distinct of discrimination. That may experience, but when it comes to the Muslim community. A I think what you find, that is because of the current. Current climate where they're in. They're probably experiencing different types of discrimination as opposed to the types of discrimination that you might find that more people of Caribbean. Descent could point to so I think it's not that there's a hierarchy of what I would call discrimination, but you have certain communities. They will experience particular things like for exclusions. Black Caribbean boys are the most likely to be excluded in terms of like mental. Mental health issues you will see an over representation of Caribbean mills who are in psychiatric care, but then if you look at other things I don't have any statistics for issues that relate specifically to the Muslim community but I think you will see more issues that are specific to them and I'm sure that when we start taking calls, people will be able to actually relay what their experiences, but across the piece what? What you really got is that people are experiencing discrimination and they are experiencing racism in this country. We like to look America and think that somehow it's an American. Problem is not an American problem is a UK English problem. There's no black in the Union Jack Russell. Say so W- and what's more IAN. Wright, she so bloody good that now. The suggestion is being made that she should take my place on. Well of course when you go on holiday again, I'm. Should you ever again that might be? There might be a little gap you never know. Is I did see that I thought that was quite quite a good idea, because of course. The lovely I issue has gone over to the dark side so she won't be coming back. Oh she is she done for now? Come Up. To me, absolutely, do you want to explain to our listeners what the dioxide is! Not. We should advertise it, but. she's going to be doing a show on that new radio station. That's. Lean to that newspaper. Anyway. Thanks for bringing that up, right? Let's have a little word about the Madeleine McCann developments. What I first heard this I kind of in Whitley side which I know is a horrible thing to say but. And this actually does link back to the last story in a way because I don't believe controversial statement coming up that if this had been a seven year old black girl, we would've been spending eleven million pounds trying to find a justin. I'm. You may be right but I. Don't think that you can. I. Don't think you can blame. The, people who are involved in either trying to find Madeleine or fact, her family and people who have been so desperate to try to get justice, you know it's not their fault that there is not a level playing field in the way in which people. Approach this I mean my first thought was. Jerry and Kate who have been through sort at the sort of agonizing period of time, you could imagine i. have met them. Yeah, yeah, and I. Just feel obviously you know when you meet. Parents I in UNIM- other parents of children that heard disappeared, or who had been killed, and I always just found it both one intensely moving and to it makes you hug your own children harder and just think whatever's going on in my life. I haven't had to deal with that. solve pain And the pain goes on and on for them, and you just hope that perhaps if this German, obviously awful man is the person who's responsible although I don't think that they've been able to prove that yet of Wise I don't think they'd be making quite such a meal of seeking witnesses in the way in which they are. If only they can find some closure. They yes, still hoping and praying. I think to find Madeleine alive, but. Very least to have some understanding of what happened so that it takes uncertainty out of your life, even if it's for, tragedy would be an important step I think they were loaning. Get closure in one or two ways one if she suddenly reappears an icon, imagine how that could happen really now because if she was abducted and is still alive. She probably can't speak English now. She'll speak Portuguese and she ever. Think about sort of I. Mean especially might see a picture in a paper at some point. You can't really see that happening I'm be the biggest story of the decade. If it did happen, the only other ways is the tragic way. Were the the guy this guy or If it, isn't him? Somebody would say yes. I did kill her. And this is where her body is, and they will find closure when they know that her body has been found. Otherwise, it will always be that faint glimmer of hope, and then of course I mean it's only natural. That the thing that the remember discussing many many years ago and the reason why I say about the I. Don't think this would be happening if it had been. A black girl from a working class family. The. The reason part of the reason why this got so much traction in the media apart from the circumstances was because Gerry and Kate. McCann were to journalists. People like us. I'm I think that's why it got so much. Traction An I mean in a way they were they were. They were very very skillful in trading on that and making sure that the that the whole story stayed in in the front of the media and I have no I. Don't blame them for that whatsoever. WHO which parent wouldn't but I do think there were questions to ask about why one particular case gets this kind of blanket coverage, even thirteen years on because I've always been fascinated by. That the phenomenon of missing people whether they voluntarily go missing, or for other reasons, and I've always thought when when eventually I stopped doing a media stuff. That's what I quite liked to do. Go and work for the Missing People's charity. I did phone in many many many years ago on this and it was, it was amazing to hear people's stories and people really in my son disappeared ten years ago. I don't know what's happened to him. I've never heard for my nephews, alive or not and. I just would love to know what goes through people's minds when they decide that they're just going to disappear, because they must know the her that they're going to calls, their family and their friends, and then, of course they all found years later. And I, mean how how ever get that sort of relationship back? Yeah because it's not. I mean first of all is a phenomenal number of people there who go missing. And I think possibly I. It's potentially. It's a bit like taking your own life. It's like suicide that you reach the point where you just can't bear something and actually you think you aren't really thinking about other people. You're only thinking. I compare the situation and so you leave it either by taking life or by Lich physically just removing yourself from it, and not because anybody's necessarily to blame. Blame, it's just because you're in that mental place, but you're right. It can't be a happy ending, can it? When people are then reunited, because what's happened in the interim? Why did you do that? Why all sort of recrimination which even if you don't express it, you must have probably in your heart somewhere deep down is going to affect that that relationship it so. It does make you think, doesn't it? Despite my sort of having had this week, a bit of lockdown, lowdown various other things you think well. Thank goodness. I have my health and my. Boys and all the other things I can be thankful for. Do you need to matter forty light on a shares long? I. Do actually I'm feeling a bit higher bt Reno? I'm quite good at the old Souda psychotherapy log even though have no qualifications whatsoever. Me I'll who knows. After the hour on Thursday evening, we then did our mental health our them, Kenny. And I was I was failing stood it slightly euphoric after the hour because I knew it, I was really pleased with the knees. And, then our first caller in the mental health, our was a Guy Stephen Bolton. WHO had found in a couple of weeks ago? he sounded. I mean so depressed and he was effectively suicidal. And he was talking about the he'd made plans to do. It will rest of it. And so you. And I talked to him for about ten fifteen minutes and we gave. We? Both gave him some advice I mean I I'm always very conscious that I'm not qualified to give advice so I say things that I think are appropriate, and and that might actually help the situation but I. do think about before I. Put my mouth. Anyway, he find in again He's first caller on Thursday evening. And it was as if we were talking to a different person he was. Upbeat. was able to. And you could hear that in his voice and he told us that which saved his life. And Robbie my producer had rung him I think the next day and he he was saying how gratefully was for that, and he said well. He said if I hadn't made that. Call for you I. Don't think I would be here now. So just shows you what effect? These kind of advice food can have. With people and and the reaction again on social media to it was incredible, because people remembered his Co. from a couple of weeks ago. you never know. Also how you indirectly affect people buy things that you're doing and I always say that. When you take calls like that, it. It means that other people out there who are in a similar situation. They know that they're not the only ones and I think just even. That is of help to some people, but they don't feel. Well exactly and they also know that recovery is possible because when you are in the depths of despair I think you think this canal, forget better. I can never feel different, and actually to demonstrate recovery is really important message to give to people. A Lotta how I. Feel Slough despoiled them. I'm sure the questions come into. Question is will. Happen. So the BBC is new to General. Privately educated went to Oxford white male. Comments. Nothing wrong going to upset. I and he did get apparently already had to. He was on the news last night CEO. He was privately educated. And he's had to kind of explain. This is privately educated, but Abe was on a scholarship so he he doesn't come from that kind of background. I don't really know much about Tim Davie I mean he's. He's been at the upper echelons of the BBC for a long time I think. He stood in to be director general. When Georgian whistle. When didn't he was at Twenty, twelve, twenty thirteen? But it doesn't strike me as the kind of imaginative appointment. That might have shaken things up a little bit. Hasn't he also being a Torey candidate? Do you think the Boise is thinking? Yes I read, he had been. He's got Tory links coming presumably not now, but he has in the past parliamentary under. I'm not sure he's been a parliamentary candidate I think he might have been something like a constituency of fish. He's going to be driven out of the brownies that, isn't he? Ally suspects. This is the BBC thinking license Phoenix Charter negotiations carrying on the right side to the government's. Let's put somebody up. Who they can't claim is just some sort of lefty stooge, which is. Scott some where you can see the argument for that, but I just think the BBC needs to be robust, stand up for itself and its values, not trying kowtow to the government and bring the public on board, and actually if any party as we said, previously has had a good crisis, the BBC of had a good crisis. They have responded exactly as you would hope. Public service broadcaster with do not just with the programming, but with the. The educational stuff that they're doing with this amazing stuff they're doing with concerts and trying to make the promise go ahead, but with sort of you know concerts with no audience and all of that power. They've been really imaginative, and they should get credit for that whether or not they will I don't know I mean that's Tim Davis job, basically it keep the keep the license fee and keep the BBC from being chopped up by the government. Well, it's going to be interesting to watch, but apparently is not taking over too much later in the year and you think well. If you appoint someone, just let them get on with that. It's always difficult, isn't it? When you've announced that you were going, and what's more somebody there to take your place? You saw dead man walking on on, but presumably he can do quite a bit when he's already there. He knows he knows school I mean. They don't particularly like people from outside of the BBC, either do they? which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but. It's there is nothing fresh about him I think we can agree. A quick word before we go to questions, China and Hong Kong. Carrie Lam I kind of. She's the ultimate Quisling, isn't she? She's. I'm sorry, deeply insulted, but. To power the Chinese line like she has this week is is absolutely disgraceful. And how she stayed in that position. I do what I do. Know because obviously the. Job, because she's a place there isn't she does her. That's her role. Yeah, but she. Probably the leader of Hong, Kong, you've got to kind of keep the people inside, and there are. There's a tight rope to walk which I completely understand, but she is now gone so far over to just parroting the Communist Party of China's line that she's an incredible figure in Hong Kong now I would have thought. Yeah, yeah, well I think that's where I. It's very dangerous time in Hong, Kong and a very. I mean last. The government appears to be moving slightly. There is a lot of pressure being brought upon them by Leeson Andy and Offers parliamentarians and others to live up to our sort of leading international responsibility with respect to Hong, Kong and to stand firm against what certainly seems to be an encroachment on the conditions of the. Treaty agreements that we made for the for the at least partial independence. Oh Hong Kong in its political system rbis very critical of Dominic Robb and the government's initial response to this, but they have toughened their line now, and then now talking about not just allowing three hundred thousand British passport holders to come to this country, but three million people from Hong now that. Are. That is quite a promise now i. don't know if they are going to do that. Then they've got to take the British people with them and I think they can, but they've got to do the planning for I believe that three million people would come, but even if only a million came I mean that would be. The the infrastructure planning that would be needed for that. I mean it would. It would need low dighton to basically oversee it. Wouldn't we the the little beaver of of his age? so I was saying Oh. Yes, they can come here, but you've got to plan for it and. I'd like to see evidence. That planning is about to start. I'd also love to see You know someone to poll in Hong. Kong saying okay, what if this law comes in? Would you then want to go and settle in Britain? Because of it I'd love to know the percentage of people that would say yes, we would. Yeah, I mean the thing. You're absolutely right. It would take an enormous amount of planning and coordination. How would you handle the applications? And how would you handle the impact? When people arrived, those things are not impossible. And of course, this is a group of people who will in quite a lot of cases, presumably, not be short for penalties coming here. You know to be a drain, not others. Others come here to be a drain, but you couldn't even make that case against them, so it's it's possible if you remember previous occasions when we have opened our doors to Ugandan Asians for example to other groups who've come to this country to more recent refugees who've come from Syria, and from Afghanistan, and from other areas, these quite often people who then make an enormous contribution. To the country, and our enormously pleased to be here and therefore are normally positive citizens so You know actually good for you for persuaded Ian last week for obviously persuading. Johnson to shift is because you did argue for it. On this podcast last Saturday. You argued for it on Monday or Tuesday or whenever it was. He's writing in The Times. He's GonNa. Do it you've you've struck a game? I don't know my own powers. Do I really? I'm. We can have the triads in this country fantastic. At are various other sorts of gangs raw. Spice of life. That was a joke by the way for anybody thinks I'm serious. Trouble, nobody Longs. You've done so well in this podcast so far, you you? You saw almost becoming. You know respectable in your. In your attention to diversity in your action that you've taken, and then you go and blow it all. On a job like that's the trouble with me I always blame it. Right I'm saying nothing I think. Questions. I've got a few. I'm disappointing number on. Speak Pipe. If you want to actually ask you a question using your own voice on the podcast. Just go to speak pipe dot com forward slash four. The money always start. Question with your name and where you live I love it when we get some from abroad, so do if you all if an, but I got the statistics for listeners this week, and it's the first time I've actually asked how many listeners to the for the many podcasts live overseas. It's not twenty percent of our listeners are outside the UK united maybe yeah, by eight percent in America twelve percent rest of the world so amazing. Isn't it internationally recognized? Internationally. To Be Award winning podcast. What small listeners come on speak pipe because we we then particularly me if got like a nice voice I, get a bit carried away with you. What's more as you heard on Wednesday people people get in touch with us to say all can is so and so single you. Economic definitely poll if you come on for the many. It's like you've become Cilla black overnight. Surprise surprise another different one. Isn't that right? He this is from Hugh. Some of these do take a while to get going of noticed when I press, play I in I got two questions. How do you think this pandemic will be remembered in the years centuries to come when we look back? Would you be for the threesome? In the fact that? Guest the for the many podcasts. Sorry to disappoint the. We see Eli onto. Shacks I do like about Welsh. Was He was lovely as well as NIS. So happy my point? Now where we we're not for threesome because Jackie, I committed to each other and I. Don't think we had a guest exclusive, are we? We we are monogamous. It doesn't actually people don't like it when we have guests. On the rare occasions that Hashtag more Dan appears who hasn't made an appearance for dozens of episodes. People do some people don't like it? Caroline Flint is about the only one that we've had on this podcast and people actually quite like that, but we intending to not intending to change the format. In answer to your first question I've forgotten what it was How will people remember this panda knees and centuries to come? To A to say. It is, isn't it? I was. So lost night I went with a few friends, obviously six fewer up the. Hill up the modern hills because it's a full moon. And you pay this. Yeah, that's right, and then we stripped off darts through. Virgin that type of thing. Clearly. Well, to be honest, it's been so long. Graham. Graham really blames you for all of this, and he's absolutely right. He's I know you try and restrain, but she can't help herself, can she and he's right. Sorry. How will it be? down. PODCAST. Quite. Do you think my? God Do, you think we looked. Like after CV or before seavy. Is it going to be like the Second World War an epoch-making era. I don't think so. No the point I was trying to make before I- smart. It off was the The actually it was a lovely to sort of be with other people, because obviously, these friends are only like zoomed wave and. As I soon, thought Oh. Yeah, this is nice. This is what it used to be like so I just think people might go back quite quickly to as soon as we're able to to the things that we had before so no, I don't. And this is one of the things that we will struggling with in organizations which fits. Will we want to hang onto? which bits will not want sir? Which bits what we want to go back from I mean I. Am Now getting a bit tired of zoom meetings for example and I. Sort of at the beginning of this I thought right. That's it the whole things changed. Everybody's going to be working from home. I, think I will work more from home, but it's not the same as being need with Myrtle, and having sort of feel for that body language, and and then all of the other bits that go on outside the meeting, and the when you're with people that you just can't do when you're not physically with are totally agree I've done a few. been at betrayed you the podcast this week. And one of the questions I'm always asked his world. You think you'll stay broadcasting from home. and. I mean a few weeks ago. I might be more tempted, but it is very difficult to do. Interviews with people when you not actually looking at them and I did. The talk podcast this sweet with Andrew Maher to the fifteen minute interview with him, which actually was really good I'm, but I would still have preferred him to be opposite me in the studio. So I might make a case for maybe doing one show a week from home, but even then how do you judge which date will be? Because if big breaking news? They want you in the studio. They won't even the CD so they can get all the video clips down so I don't think that this is going to be something. I mean if for example. When I used to do a weekend show. If they said to me at some stage, would like you to do five chase eight rather than four. We want the fifth one to be at the weekend I. might well say well. Yeah happy to do that, but only if I can do from home. So. I think that will be changes from that point of view, but I'm I'm getting to the stage now I really look forward to going back into the studio. I hope that we will remember that. We found it difficult that the things that made it bearable were. The people who found ways to support each other in new an original ways that we appreciate it the NHL, some people who care and people who work on the front line who aren't the highest paid and in many cases are not paid enough and that we remember those things we make a change about that. That's why I hope, but I think our lives will not be sort of ever changed this. Yesterday Joan took bubba amateur Schnauzer to the dog is because obviously they had to shut down, but they reopened this week, and he had started to resemble a woolly mammoth. And I kept saying any looked. Rian killed the Baba and he looked really fat and a miniature schnauzers. Do not look good when they look fat. So, as bit worried that we were feeding into much nicer to cut his lunch Russians and whatever and he, he didn't look a happy dog, and he was constantly sort of morose with dessel, laying on the couch, looking at you with his eyes open rather than asleep and I just thought. You're not happy dog. And but when he came back from the dog room, as it was as if he'd been transformed into a different dog, he was so happy that he got rid of all of this for an literally just spent the rest of the night, just being the old bubba said. dogs have been have been affected by this to even though they don't understand why. Nobody is going to be surprised about that. When the hairdressers open I'm to be fighting through the flipping front door. Right. Let's have another speak pipe one. This is from Joseph. Hello Jackie and Ian Has Johnson's handling of the Caribbean virus crisis reduced the likelihood that he leads the Conservative Party into the next general election. Thank you for including this question and indeed for producing the point cost week after week. See Young Fellow. Identifies as posh totty. A I don't think there's much question that. Boris. Johnson wouldn't lead the Conservatives into the next election as Well Matthew Paris this morning. Writing a really really critical piece about him saying effort. Actually I mean I. Don't think he's ever been Boris Fan. But actually, and this is so of my view. The the idea that he was going to grow in. A crisis has not taken. Hold a tool, and actually what we've seen is the person who. It's clever, but can't concentrate is a bit populist. The hasn't ever had to put back into anything and is now faced with having to do that in this crisis, and of course he's been ill, and we need to recognize that, but hasn't actually really got a grip on it. In the way, you would have hoped, and is now faced not with the sort of wonderful I've won a general election I'm going to. Execute Brexit and get back to my to mistake, my positive domestic policy program, but the at an economy that is going to be rocked to its foundations, a country that is going to need help to recover and I'm not sure he's really got the backbone all the resilience, or the or the willingness to knuckle down and do this and it doesn't mean I. I don't know the Tory party, but the parliamentary Conservative Party doesn't look to me like a harmonious sort of happy place necessarily at the moment, so yes, it is a long step to say the meeting. Gray suits will therefore come dispatch. Him I'm. Don't see quite how that happens, but I don't think this is anything like he imagined it was going to be. Well that DOT is true. I can't see any circumstances where he doesn't lead the Tory party into the next election. Unless he has health concerns which. I do think that there is still an overhang from his hospital experience in his performance I. Don't think he's firing on all cylinders I. Don't think we should blame him for that. I think the only way he would ever stepped down as if he felt that he wasn't physically capable of doing. The job now is far to early to to judge that, and hopefully he will get back to full health within a reasonably short time, but I think you look at him. And you can see that he's. He's not one hundred percent, which is understandable. I mean I, did a a zoom thing yesterday with the your festival of ideas, because bear in mind. This is the week that my book should have come out so being booked to go and do a live event with them, and so they put it all online, and they're about three hundred and fifty people I thought about twenty people watching by the ten thousand, three, hundred fifty. So I did about a twenty five minute talk com Boris because it was related to my book. Boers quotes the big book of Boris and. And talked about a lot of these issues quite openly about sort of how it handled the crisis in a and everything else, and it was meant to be sort of reasonably lighthearted. Look look at, but it's quite difficult to do that when you con-, feedback often audience, but you know what it's like when you got a few laughs. That makes you be Funnier, but it calls you. Even, see the people that it was zoom thing. It was just me and the woman who who introduced me so I wasn't sure whether I was pitching this right at all, but most of the questions that came in were all about trust and him being a complete charlatan. Really Yeah. I mean. It was a I. Mean Your Festival of Ideas. It's basically a guardian Mr. Sort of circle, jerk I imagine. That I think we should be surprised with that. Could I say some of my best either? But it was good and if you want to see if it goes to the festival of ideas website. In fact, they were quite was really. Sort of. Flattered by suppose was the afterwards on twitter. There were quite a few people who'd be watching it. He will listening to this podcast listeners to my ob show. If you do want to see it if you just go I'm sure they. They said they were going to put it on Youtube. Which mansion you can get through. To through that website your festival of ideas now you will bit dilatory in your duties. Yes, then. You didn't have a tweet, did you? I apologize to apologize I. WAS NHA testing yesterday and I actually had to do some flipping work, so I forgot the tweet for questions. I'm really really sorry -rageous. Can Apology I've had to make today. So I've OSCO looks good questions here. This is from Jacob Herbert loving the PODCAST. Always last Saturday people asked whether Dominic Cummings had become too powerful does a survival of dominant coming show how difficult reforming the civil service is proving to be and that Dominic Cummings is essential for this reform project. In Boris, Johnson's opinion may Jackie's jugs live long and prosper. I think that is very esteemed. I think. I said this to the festival last night that if Dominic Cummings had gone boys. Johnson would have felt that his right hand being cut off. An an as we've said before all politicians have advisers who they trust implicitly, and who are absolutely vital to the modus operandi, and we saw how important dominant cummings is to Boris. Johnson I'm not quite sure about the civil service reform thing. Brexit more the the free trade agreement some stiffening voice Johnson's backbone on that and we haven't talked about Ashley. We I. think that is going to be quite an important thing for dominant cummings today I agree with you. I think they had effectively backed off the civil service reform thing. So, many Cummings Sonny's great long job advert for widows to join him and had got a few. But. That wasn't a serious civil service reform and that disappeared. They didn't combine departments like they said they were going to do this. Machinery of government stuff, so I think that's on the back burner certainly is now because they can have a load of other things to worry about, but the other thing I do slightly wondrous. I think it was what what what Boris Johnson get got from Dominic Cummings I. Think was his instincts and his political judgment and his driving in the direction. Direction that was sort of popular system was going to deliver the things that Boris Johnson wanted. He's fatally undermined in doing that now because he's clearly his ability to communicate has been brought into question is judgment has been brought into question so I. Agree with you that that's why Boris. Johnson is kept him but I just wonder if perhaps after six months. I don't think to himself when you're not quite as valuable to me as not quite essential to me as you were. And perhaps I can move onto somebody else, but let's wait and see what's this. Is this just trolling that he's going to get a knighthood in the? Queen's birthday on. Twitter. That? People were say I was thinking though that is just you just trying to irritate me now? You've tried to wide me up. Well. It's unthinkable. I think we can probably look for to the future. Lord Cummings in twenty, twenty-nine something but That's the future right Bob Grip says I enjoy your podcast. Please continue to keep the balance debate. Little idiosyncrasies of life and downright dirty banter flowing. You have kept man detained over lockdown. My question relates to Second Chances Richard. Nixon lost the nineteen sixty election, but was given the chance to run in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty eight Howard Wilson lost seats and was out of power in. In one thousand nine seventy, but was given the chance to run again in seventy four Neil Kinnock lost in eighty seven, and was given the chance to run in ninety two, despite being behind by fifteen percent in the vote total and eighty seven. Would a politician be given a second chance now, and when will you be on celebrity pointless? I would love to see you both covered in quiz. Let's go that bit. Second Chances, I. Think if Kearse, Dharma. Improves the Labor. Seats they are now two hundred, nine, ten or something like that if he gets them up to two hundred eighty. I think he would deserve to get a second chance, don't you? I completely agree. I think people have sort of factoring in whatever they say in public that this is a long old smoke, and that it may take more than one go, and therefore I don't think Beta in a you know. I hope he wins next time and who knows the way that governments going out I? Don't think they'd be in the mood to get rid of him. Jimmy Kuban goes accosted me and that's because. Seventeen. A lot less. Yeah how they worked out, but the seat totaling twenty seven eighteen was worth sharing about. I do not know, but they they that that was actually. Oh yes, sir, yes, example, a political spin! The people really should call that much more than they did. Celebrity points. We don't know when we're going to be on it. Apparently can take anything up to a year. But seeing as it was really an episode, you have thought that I want to show so to cheer people up during lockdown, wouldn't you? Of course you would. Say. As you said The some of the ones that were filmed around the same time as us are on at the moment, so there's the rights today. Yeah, yeah, the writers are on today so I'm and also just the other thing, but that and this isn't a spoiler, because it was a program that was full of politicians and political commentators. I think some of the things we said are big time limited, so if they don't get you know some of the issues. I think sure they were so. If you don't get on with if they don't get on with it, we might run out of time and never be shown. When did we doer? We did it. Was it before the election? Honestly can't remember when it was. No, it wasn't it at the beginning of. On who else happened on the same day, but I can't remember. On the same day that was when the mail announced that I was separated from my husband. He remember 'cause like A. We discussed it in the chain him. The changing room I. Don't want everybody to that median. We're like getting naked in the same. We have a separate quarters. Social distancing even at that point. A right Stuart Wilkinson said I was wondering if Jackie was ever on the receiving end of Gordon, Brown's famously volcanic temper. I've been inhaling politic- politics books during lockdown various boats to pick brown as a man whose fits of anger almost want. I never was i. he was always very kind and gentle to me but I. Think I didn't think it was A. Do you know this was not a irrational anger. This was a I really care about things I want to get them done anger when it happened to anybody, but no I never was on the receiving end in fact I was sort of slightly the one that tried to. Jolly him along a bit. Jack says Holiday Inn and Jackie. I hope you will well. Unfortunately, I am not a question on your Wednesday podcast triggered a memory which I've sought to banish from the darkest recesses of my brain years ago I was attended graduate day at Your University after receiving an offer for politics, 'cause we were in a seminar room, and the discussion was revoked around American politics when my turn to speak arrived what I wanted to say was president. Obama was a very good debater. However in front, you see what's coming a mile of here here. However in front of a professor parents and my could be cost mates I called the forty fourth president a master debater. snickering smoking to kind professor who pretended not to notice? It got me wondering. What's been your biggest public foot-in-mouth moment? God! It wasn't a verbal on. It was written one. Just something that springs to mind in about nineteen eighty. Seven, Eighty, eight I was running a course at was ancient hall in Oxfordshire. As one of these country houses by companies go to sort of have little weekends, get togethers and I was running cools called public public relations in the ports industry, and we had about a twenty thirty people from all sorts ports around the country, but I'm ask. Someone pointed out to me on the invitation letter at cooled it pubic relations in the ports industry. And I've I've I've always been shipped proof, Rita. Eye. Dogs making growling noise. I haven't I. Don't think I've ever said. Apart from when I told a future constituent, fuck off in the election I think it was nineteen, ninety two, which was not great I obviously have had some wardrobe malfunctions that have been noted in the newspapers. But. I don't think I've ever said anything is. Always, growling does not usually. Only it may be. It's just got very gray and it started raining, so absolutely hates thunder lightning. Cool Plaque I. Get to look out my front window at the Moldovan up the Moldovan hills, and in fact, my back window, but my where my desk is in the front, I can look at the hills, and they are looking very dark, and there's rain, and there's a dark cloud over them. A better explain that for people who haven't listened to previous episode. That was a take on the fast show sketch. I wasn't being racist or anything. You have to explain all these things nowadays ain't shit now. Reese has sent me Robert Pistons latest questioned from the Downing Street press briefing, which proved to be a very popular feature when he did before, and this isn't quite so. Well. We'll ever let me this is Robert. Pistons question I think it was on Thursday or could be stay. Good Afternoon Gentlemen question for the Prime Minister, first. Your predecessor Theresa may today said she was deeply concerned about the way. The quarantine is being imposed on travelers to the UK. Are In her words closing Britain off from the rest of the world. She wants us to take the lead in developing an international aviation health screening standard that would make it unnecessary to have those kinds of quarantines. You're going to take your predecessors advice and lead talks on devising such a scheme to get aviation going again. traveling going again. and to the chief, scientific advisor and Chief Medical Officer just picking up actually on what Beth said, professor witty things. You simply just said just now. Warsaw. Point of the the the threat levels was to basically advise for example on whether we can have local lockdowns to talk outbreaks local level, but one of the things we know from Idaho harding, for example who is in charge of the whole test and trace process is that we're not going to have that data for another month, which makes people concerned? The easing of lockdown has happened to Matthew Very. Could you just reassure comment on that? Wasn't quite as on eloquence as the first one. But the thing is quincy word inelegant? Tonight, but the point is though. That I just read that very quickly, and it took about a minute, so that question was probably ninety seconds long so in the second question allows the politician. However, it was on that day to think about the first question rather than answer it very very quickly, and it's. Just I don't understand why. All these journalists have to all such long questions now. As we said before it is a waste of that. It is not effective. The most effective question because you know politicians, this is why you know when you go to ministerial speech you, you take three questions time so that you can also easy one I have a bit of time to think about the second one completely ignored the third one. That's why people do it. I mean on no. It means you get through the questions quicker, but if you want to really nail somebody down, you have to do a short sharp question to them. will his short questions from Dome? Dome lunch, not that one. No, not that one. Is that really surname? Lunch never heard of anyone could lunch before as L. U.. N. C. H.. Lunch pack. A It's awfully office twelve. I'm thinking about a sandwich. There's a village name in Norfolk called trench. I've always wanted to live in a village called trench. I just think it's most magnificent name. Right digital Indian in light. Of Kiss, Dhamma, joining L. B. C. which MP would make the best or worst radio host. Well several piece of course of done some radio or civil fulmer. MP's have done some radioing. Myself! Duck Sonic Santa's documentary. Ellen Johnson Johnson Brilliant Radio Tom Watson did had an ABC show to me. He's not gonNA peerage. He's no Gosh Nordstrom Burger? No. I didn't hit on Berko and any questions was he was he good? Did you hear a night? I'm thinking. Listen to it I'm. Who Else? When? It's quite difficult whilst you. It's quite difficult to do sort of. Type Account in Flint did a brilliant archive from radio thing. About, single mums! I, think it was. It was really really good Difficult whilst you an MP, because you just cannot be free and interesting in the way which you would want to be to do to do a good radio program so. Just. Did well enough Leyla. Quite good radio presenter. Bad ones that have been a couple of bad ones. I'm trying to remember who they were. Account. There was an MP. Longtime ago did one on obesity, and it was an absolute car. Crash Punches car. Remember who it was twenty just as well just as well. I got a question. Somebody has given me third question. Despite me, no asking Somebody's this person is called key hermit. It's a really interesting question. Actually Dear Aunty Jackie, Ankle Ian, but it serious enough for Saturday spurred on by Jackie's newfound success in the squeezy, not squeegee department, and while I would never compare my jokes to hers though I used to possess rather splendid pair of chapel hat pegs. Will happen when you have children. I plugged myself on a dating website, but deliberately initially omitting one fact, it was like watching the tight turn, as what had been a slow, but steady incoming tide hallows turned into a rapid outgoing tide of good boys mosquito than Abe ofter. I added the extra fact that I am paraplegic so if he was single, would you date someone with a disability? I expect forthright answers from both of you as fool. The money is the home of honesty, not political correctness. Go, bloody. Becky I can remember and this is a hype isn't GonNa Weird, but when I wor- I worked in a state Mandeville type hospital Germany for paraplegics and I was only eighteen at the time. And there was a guy who'd had a motorbike accident. Who was eighteen? Who came in and I must admit I shall we say without being totally unprofessional? Have the hots for him. Obviously never did anything about it because that would be unprofessional, but that demonstrates that I can fancy somebody who had that sort of disability now. I'm going to be completely awesome. Sure. There are certain types of disability that I couldn't personally cope with a relationship i. I'm not GonNa sit assay, particular ones but I would be very easy for spoke to come in here. So of course it doesn't make any difference a- tool well, I mean. I think. Well. I I'm becky. I mean you've just demonstrated. That clearly does make a difference to an awful lot of people, but actually what you've also demonstrated. Is that your saw funny and Lots of people were obviously attracted to you so I. Hope you'll gonNA. Carry on with this because I. Honestly I have never dated somebody with a disability and I can't say how I would respond I think the you know the the first thing that. Attracts you is obviously something about physical attractiveness, but that's not to say that people with disability aren't going to be physically attractive, but actually it's much more about what you've got in common if you can have a laugh together all of those. Things so I hope. I hope most. We've tried to be honest. You won't get put off dating, and you need to come back and tell us If when as I believe, it will be you. You get some lock. I did think of another adjunct to that question, but I'm not sure it's supposed. To go down. does not This is from Charles. Smith from SUNNING THERESA May's Village deal on is he says it's a question for Wednesday to it now, anyway, Asked where we listened to your excellent podcast I listen to in before going to sleep at night. Such are at soporific qualities. That wasn't. We'll put me to sleep several nights running. The thing is how'd you know where you fell off to sleep? And anyway he continues and with two podcasts, but we that is nearly every night of the week. My question, what do you like to do in bed before going to sleep? I'm going to be very honest with you. Charles and that's the thing I like. Today is lay on my side. Put My head on the pillow. And read a book. Yeah. I know if you well obviously during this lockdown period Wat- I like to do is. I, do sometimes read a book I. We used to go to bed light. Lying on my side reading a book, I've got a bit into podcast now. So a bit light you I tend to put on a podcast. Listen to that to go to sleep or sometimes a story or an audio book. See I I. Don't listen to sometimes if I'm a filling on my computer in bed, which I actually I have to do that is this is a no. You shouldn't relocated. Scream if we sleep, but when I get into bed. I, always finish off looking at twitter. Whatever while I'm doing that? I might have Alexa playing something Alexa to listening. Who she is. She she. You just said I don't know that one. If you say Alexa play the full the many podcast we'll she do it. Alexa, play the for the many podcast. Yes it does. Alexa Louder. Alexa Louder. Alexa Louder. Election this is. This is matter. This is podcast masturbating. Isn't it really listening to your own? Alexa Louder! She's going. Stop shouting at me. Master Costa. Anyway. Sorry Graham. Right now, here's a good one. This is from Chris. I've been a fan since the start and cannot wait for my Mug to arrive. Actually took it up to the shop earlier, Chris. You guys have inspired me to get involved in local politics so much that I've been selected by one of the two big parties to find a seat in my era year I don't want to say which one is I. Really don't want to disappoint on Jackie. You just did Chris. I might be coming down to campaign for you then Chris. Council seat would be a tough. Ask Jackie. You said in the past that you knew you were going to lose your seat before the twenty turn election Indian and I remember you saying that you knew you couldn't win your two thousand five campaign. My question is known this. How did you both motivate yourself to get up every day and campaign knowing that you're not going to win the series? Did you ever just want to pack it in concede, love the pod Iona. Cafe and I'm in the middle of renovation renovating an old pub, so the Cova crisis has had a big impact on my life the twice weekly podcast keep me going. It is a difficult one. Particularly, we were both in marginal seats, and when you work out that you're not going to win, the thing to do is just carry on as normal because you. You can't let the seapower to your party workers that you know that you're going to lose. Because it would just completely d motivate them, so it's just put on a brave face and get on with it. That's all you can do. Yeah, yeah, and and because you feel I, suppose one. The democracy needs people who will lose as well as people who will win, and also because you think the message that you've got. needs to be got out there and people need to have the opportunity to meet with politicians from all parties, so that's why and your team is Ian, rightly says that those are the reasons why you carry on doing it and sometimes miracles happen. I mean that's the other every candidate in the world, however unwinnable seats, and even if they really know they're going to lose, occasionally thinks stuffing might happen. Something might happen. I might end up winning after also. That's the other thing that keeps you going. This could be the longest podcast EPA by the way because. With with with denise on that's going to add another ten or fifteen minutes to. Go. Thomas Flame by doesn't. because. We're enjoying ourselves. We are You might not like this one day. Clayton. Could you you're lefty mate Jackie, why the left is so fucked up? By hold the guilt later later. They held a black lives. Matter Demo three thousand miles away from where the death occurred, but when a black man shoots or stops another black man in the drugs war in this country. You don't hear sweet fa from them. Could she please explain we'll you talking bollocks? Clayton number one, firstly, the point about the protests being held in the UK as I explained earlier is one about solidarity, and to about saying actually there are inequalities in this country that we need to address. As, well and three. I mean blood yell. I'm not the person as home. Secretary, who manage to take tough action both knife and gun crime and bring it down that you could lecture about not caring about people of any color stopping offshoots, people of any other color and I do know you know that in some parts of our cities there is a. Predominance of black victims and sometimes black perpetrators, of course I know that and I've taken action about it so talking nonsense me. On a similar theme Amanda says some wonder why the arts culture and media are predominantly left wing. Is there a historical context I? Think you mean an historical context Amanda. That's quite. It's true it is true. But I I. I'm not sure if. Jim Davidson. Bless him. With his daughter ones. Today. That's just weird. He was on a hiding to nothing, wasn't he? Eighth annual he didn't. Do that I think she quickly did. I haven't got the answer to that of you. Know I mean I think it's true, but it's not. I think possibly. There's a sort of bias that comes from the fact that. I think on the left. We tend to shout a bit more about our views, and therefore I suspect they're actually quite a lot of people in the arts and culture media who aren't left-wing, but they don't shout about the fact that they're not left wing so I think. It's possibly not was extreme. As you're suggesting if now I know the answer. You're going to give to this next question from John, myhill. Which UK celebrity do you do you and Jackie? Think could have made a good prime minister or could make a good prime minister. We. Know The answer I'm going to give because we did this on Wednesday we. I forgot to delete the question. What did he say? The. See. That's what I was gonNA. Say now, so let's say you meaning oversight. To. See what what happens is just so people know when they come in by email, I, put them in an email folder, and then when when I. When I asked the question I deleted overseas, I forgot to delete that one. Let's you. Simon in Ilford says. Have you ever mispronounced someone's name during an interview or official event I'm thinking the former health secretary or as stay. Baroness dildo harden. Someone's name don't think anyone. Really careful about checking up on people's names and reading so Feb sharing something I'm always really really careful caught. Remember what the name was, but a few months ago, my producers had booked someone for the show and I didn't know that they'd booked this person, and so they put the words of my screen to introduce them and it was. A. If. I mispronounced it. It would have been a very rude word. and. I think the began with C. and the whole. F- Ten minutes before I had to interview this guest. I was thinking for God's sake. Pull yourself together a make sure you speak very slowly and deliberately so you don't say what you really want to say. I wasn't Jeremy Homeless it wasn't. That's a good question, but I'm afraid I haven't go any great answer for that one. Scott. Oh nothing. We did this one, didn't we? Yes, we did do that one. This was about the fourteen year. Olds with maybe a syndrome and. I think I must have done all of these in forgot to delete any of them. he needs to. He needs a PA doesn't listeners. Do I'd love to have I used to have one but I never thought I gave enough work to do. Such a control, I like to have control of Mine Dario countless. You our control-freak. WE'LL CON-. You have a virtual PA, and then you know you just like pay them by the hour or something, and they can be doing other people at the same time so to speak. I just. Think that I may. Not really me. He Nice to hand. Listeners Katie Kennedy says this is my third email to you. Since lockdown, I appreciate, that makes me seem extremely weird. However, considering you've entertainment for hundreds of hours, it doesn't really seem that disproportionate. Thank you for what you're doing. Such interesting, funny, balanced content every single episode. I genuinely believe that you've helped. Contribute to turning. What is actually a frightening time into quite a pleasurable time? My only say I'm not this is this is to me the sense you. Alright and My only complaint in is that you don't sing enough on the podcasts you have an. Extraordinary voice and I think. When I say that we're very clean to find out more about anti Jackie's mystery man well. You need to listen to the previous episode where she made all sorts of lurid revelations. Pledge to him that I'm not going to reveal much more yeah. was. Was He angry? No, he was, he was fine. He said he didn't mind people knowing. But not on the sweet. I mean obviously we're looking. Over share, AM I. Any more than my word you have done. His another one from speak pipe other new. Dose already. In Jackie the new Iraq the BBC is torn is a static. Am Isn't a time. We ended decided. The PPC has deprived is. We've had all the extraction. Then Pretend T. AXEMAN! Unsure Neil Nick. Robinson I'm in the risk on on and on. Yet became. The baby is meckling absolute Jenkins for the tortoise. Good one. Good one. On I never knew Allegra Stratton was a Tory I've always thought she was failure. Blair it, but she's physician sooner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, although hasn't she go on as the ice? I agree that this probably means that she sort of feels. Aligned to him but I think she's gone. As a civil servant is director of combs or something like that. Yes you're absolutely right. What? What was his name Tom? Tom Quite right Tom could contribution to up about the director general I don't agree with you. I. Don't actually believe that the BBC is a hotbed of Tories or Labor supporters, but I do think it is a sort of liberally based institution, and that doesn't make party political, but it will always take the liberal line rather than a conservative line on anything with the small and small. See. I think you'd agree with that, wouldn't you? Well Sometimes I. Broadly yes, although sometimes I think in recent debates that emphasis on balance has almost been. As almost favored a sort of. Conservative strike right wing view actually. I I. Wasn't that impressed with that brexit coverage for example. Oh I felt that brexit coverage was actually really balanced until the brexit actually had been voted for, and then I think it swayed to the more liberal end of the spectrum. I thought in the referendum campaign I thought they didn't about job. Right Ken in Cheshire real name, withheld. Dear uncle and Auntie Jackie. I would like some advice. Following a request from help from a neighbor in the flat above Sandra has a wonderful smallholding down ballet, but her partner who lived some distance away usually does gardening for her as he cannot get round at the moment due to the lockdown. Sandra has told me that her foliage is getting out of control, and she needs a little touch with trimming it back. I was shocked and weak at the knees the other day when she pointed out that her cla maters was. Totally hidden by her client hydrangea. She hadn't found a play area for weeks now. She's y y you find this. Very serious problem. She says that she is always be the very keen on keeping everything trim untidy and would reward me with a lovely juicy pear as much as I, could handle strawberry patch. I've spoken to a charcoal burke from down the road. He used to be a regular visitor to Sandra's, but he was put off by her partner. WHO's apparently a keen gardener who likes to arrange things his way? Curtis advised me that I shouldn't miss her lockdown opportunity and I should give her the experience at my fingers. He told me that he is a lovely gladio early right next to her back entry which I will remember for a long time to come naturally I'm keen to assist my problem is. Do you think I should give into Sandra's request and run the risk of jealous partner finding out once. The lockdown is over, do you? Jackie have a gardener or do you do your own? Well, it took a long time to get. No I. I could see why you didn't want anybody to know your name. Kenya dirty bugger. Pill Gardner a downhill. I need one because. My my garden is out of control. Basically, we keep buying that tractor. Miwa thing that jumble the other day last period to be a complete waste of money. Yeah it's leaking hydraulic oil wherever. So, we did one one cut with, and it's just sat there ever since after it say our lawns are completely overgrown I needed a bit of edging. Right. Do I actually enjoy edging. Do the garden is question. Time present present. A role is being taken to you in. Some of. It really isn't A. flowerbed gardening, rid weeding or anything like that. Cutting the hedge. Davey mean. Quietly with garden shears. Should we have another one from trae? This is another voice one for failing this. He in and Jackie on Wednesday. The UK recorded more deaths than the entirety of. Together by tens and tens of people. Why isn't the media at really reporting this catastrophe? This disaster, which is DC think? That the media is to embed with the government, and hence why we are not getting an accurate reporting on this story. Clearly, something has gone up drastically. Thank you I've run out. Totally equipped with the premise of the question it was reported in several newspapers I heard it on Newsnight it was on the Internet quite a lot. I think there are people were questioning actually the accuracy of those figures I because Spain on that day recorded zero deaths. An somebody was saying. If you actually know how the Spanish calculate, their figures that that's just not possible so I know that the media are no in bed with the government. Surely you can see evidence of that every single day of the week. Yeah! I don't Trae I believe the major in bed with the government I. do think there has been some reporting of the scale of deaths, but where I agree with you is that it is shocking and even if there is some. Sort of more accurate counting in the UK as compared to some of the other countries, I still don't think that's enough to wipeout. The sort of discrepancy that you were talking about where we have more than all of those other European countries put put together and you know there are all sorts of potential reasons why that may have happened. We started the lockdown too late. particularly in care homes. We didn't provide the protection for the staff all the all the people living in those care homes that was that was necessary All of those things potentially have contributed to is I. See sometimes as part of my briefings the. Analysis I think that comes from John Hopkins. University I think it's pretty widely available, and it always shocks me when I see the list of cases and the list of deaths that we are. Up in the top three alongside variously the US Russia Brazil and that just feels totally wrong that we are in that position at this point, and that is about more than how you measure. The statistics is as you say a dreadful tragedy. Nadeem hammered says I've been listening to starter, probably gone through all of your back catalogue, three or four times now, Golly, that's devotion to duty a metal. You bring a welcome distraction. Maybe we should send him a free Mug for that. You bring a welcome distraction to Bring Chore The Greater The Smart The greater the distraction. I'm probably the point where addict Sullen for the many themed lockdown Quiz Hint Hint. which random topic you would accelerate in a themed quiz to Jackie. This is not an excuse for you to brag about your mastermind success. Oh? So I can't talk about my celebrity mastermind success. Right JC just one okay. We'll see see I I'm quite good on sport, but only particular sports. If there's anything on be I wouldn't be able to do so i. like sport questions like geography questions allow history questions. Oversee politics Maybe we should do a for the many quiz night. I mean people have been doing them. Have they all over the place route? The trump is. How you do them on zoom because you're. You're restricted to one hundred people. Thank, aren't you? And obviously without thousands of listeners, we'd have far more than that. So if anybody's got an idea what technology we could use where I could host for the many quiz evening. Do let me know by email and. We might look and see if we could do that because fall. Be Quite cool I like setting quiz questions to. Yeah. I'll night in my favorite rounds. I should, of course say politics, and generally would be quite good at it, but just to shoehorn in another mention of my mastermind parents to be slightly more humble about it. When we got to the general knowledge questions, I couldn't remember who became president when JFK was assassinated nine. I I sit the rope I sit I sit there on the next question. The next question was who is representing us in Eurovision Song contest and it was the year when blue representing us and I got that straight off. Grows wild woman of the people. Indeed! This is a question submitted on the tenth of May so you can tell. Actually trying to get rid of all the old ones now and Mrs from. David Brooks where in the UK Zhou favourite drive mine. Is Long Furlong? worthing. Ask Question I tell you. What is Beautiful I. Always Love it when I go to my caravan. We drive down the more history to bar. Muth extras absolutely beautiful and you and driving in one direction you get to see the sea and the bridge across the a story, a bomb and driving back in the other direction you get to see the mountains cutter Idris and It's it's beautiful I. recommend it Lago Three on the North Norfolk. Coast from say Hayes right along. Along two wells next the sea second one would be minehead pool, or along the North Devon coast i. think that's fantastic, and then the third which I've only done once is one. I applied to be the candidate in Monmouth in two thousand and three, and never been to wonderful wires. Let alone moment an an I drove around the constituency just to get a feel for it and honestly I remember driving through some villages along river, Carmen. What the river was maybe the river? The why by? Just stunningly beautiful thaw here. So. Those would be the ones that I would pick I think we'd better stop now hidden because this is, this is going to be our longest podcast ever, but can i. Can I just plug on Monday evening on my radio show, which spending two hours talking about the future variation, and effectively I suspect going to be largely sensitive around the disgraceful behavior British Airways to their staff We've had so many people. About! That we in the time, honored tradition of Emily Mates News Newsnight. We have asked British Airways to put forward a representative, but they have to kind. They couldn't be all stars. No, I'm not. Putting anybody up to an hour long program you. A friend of mine has worked for British Airways for. The t five years ads coping crew. And Seventy eight thousand pounds a year. He's going to be sacked and and rehired on new terms. Do you know what these new to the salary under these new terms is going to be thirty two thousand? Hearty. Just Common Sense tells you that they can't get away with. That is just outrageous. We've had other. We've had other listeners. I've one Disney contacting me directly. WHO WORKS FOR A and is being was being treated awfully so. He's one of the people it's getting in touch with you. Full? It really is So what are you up to over the next few days? I will probably go for another run tomorrow. I'm having my mom fatigue in the garden. It won't be pouring with rain and then I've got various bits of work to do next week and then I'll be with you on good morning. Britain again next Friday, Andropov and. Stay off to noon. We. This is the thing that Jack August with about six other people we I'm could contribute contributing editor to a new magazine called maces, quarterly, political implementary magazine, and I've got to under list Senator, basically each each magazine, going to list the first one is the top hundred most powerful people in politics and we have got this panel. Bai Xue on Tuesday afternoon where we're going to try and decide them so if Got Names of people that you think ought to be considered for this I. Mean don't say like Boris Johnson Kissed on because they will obviously be in people who you think of is really powerful influential in politics, but we might not consider. So feel free to send on nations to me of on my website. Be Grateful for that. And that's about the only excitement. I've got next week really. So, from what you're doing with me. podcast wisely podcast you dave. Owen and undoing another podcast with your friend. Roy Field on Monday. You enjoy failed on. Its bromance. I will say goodbye goodbye. Julia.

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IAMKAYPEE Podcast #84 - on Micheal Jackson, Madeleine McCann and Bodybuilding Bellies

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IAMKAYPEE Podcast #84 - on Micheal Jackson, Madeleine McCann and Bodybuilding Bellies

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PC part pecker, and I need all your Gordon's individually, and then they'll sought together, but they'll tell you if they are not compatible. So you know, she has the power thing that would Kenna fuck me up. I'm not very good of the whole elektron IX that. Well, vote which isn't a lot. I'm not I think I'm not dare to go into the voltage side of it. 'cause it's like overclock in out of that. We are. So part of the P C world. I didn't know it was just standard people overclock their stuff. So you basically just change the voltages and on your CPU. But it's like, I think it ruins the warranty or something like that. So if you're overclock tetanus fuck, you're not gonna get your money back. It's like you your face like a few of cloak as well pastime. No, you just lost me. They so that's the one of always sucked is like the Foltz watch woman shit like. It's over my head. So I think it's basically just saying like if it runs too much power, I sort of I can make too much and there's something called like so can Lori. So it's basically with your CPU comes down to the silicon was made and that's completely random. So then you can decide much actually overclock it, and you can get more pilot. So it's just to have it was made like things specifically for the podcast on valuating und- gaming. Beast of DP you like. Just the other parts like seven hundred quid for the justified yo code, and that's cheap. Yeah. We'll you play rust play playoff games that much. Well, he makes me feel like I used to be a Muslim. But. With the last game system owned was a -sego mega drive a new shit. There was ice mega drive to show the differences between the beg drive the mega drive to. But I would imagine. It was plastic thing the first sixteen bit. I think the second one was thirty two. I think. Yeah. Sure. Mega drive is fucking all any fucking podcasts. Videos on a cigarette. To see go make a computer nowadays you played that one the sigma dive. Yeah drive. I don't have the tanto stuff. The cigarette stuff. Thank. The Moscow system as well. That was the first one that was. Yeah system, and it was just like this is unbelievable. The difference. Like, the game's called a lot in memory. On the Toy Story, PlayStation. No catch before. Okay. What do you play on your old reminisce? So my first ever computer was the it to me, and it was called a Commodore Vic twenty I just remember that is that when you plug the cassette. Okay. So you put the keyboard. And is I what it was. I couldn't even remember that. He said, set your computer googling. It was like a tape deck. Right. Okay. Yeah. We govern one by like a family go eighties. People just gave you confused because the late Tepe to fucking Louisville just hung around skips waiting for people throw the computer. That was just I mean you to both grew up in path. We just figure there's ice the ten years of difference between us right? Okay. So so you've got like, yeah. I'm just a bit too far. No way. Could be ten for this year making me feel super old younger than me. Now you can knock devoted. You know, sorry to Feddie to your Saturday. I'm. When you get to like, you feel like you should be more have explain it. You should be just more. It should be. Feel like a business and all that you got your. So you know, it's like a feel way I should have. Cutie? I don't how security was probably three. No, you can't blame to these may for your own fears. But when I. Did you ever newest go field here like father, Ted? She does. Ted Cruz head a little bit has. But when I turn that obviously shit in my pints. It was like the world was gonna end. I was really devastated about it was like I felt like Hutton. And she used should have achieved. I lost my youth and all the rest of. Some of Zimin towards for. I don't feel thought coming towards four eight. I was I was I eagle hit come into that. I just don't feel like coming to watch the floor. You're gonna have to deal with it. Because you're going to be irregardless of good to be honest. Like I'm actually coming into four and reasonably good chip. You know, I think thirty hurts a lot people does the one where your ego just like bullshit Detmold overdone. Was it? You've got. Fucking. I was having the worst crisis of anyone ever by sport. Josh I twenty five year old. I just go a twenty five year old. Sports. Well, it goes. One of those ticket. You've got to cars. I go because of the logic that no I don't have to cost. It's just my only wanted to one Volkswagen caddy couldn't afford one because they because it's full and by holds value, but schoolrooms does possibly one of the ugliest fucking things as ever when the road. I think of even ever seen one before Homer Simpson car, right? Okay. The bell. If you just giggle, but yeah. And that says just your logic. Bikes and my show in my life and the back. The the uphill bacon. Don, how good I fucking recently. Haunt myself. Dislocated McCall McCullough Buna there colon. Cool. We had the discussion last didn't we were talking to Paul? Been invented. To talk about that way on a few more. So stump comes as stumped. Collect porn. Stephen Aikens, really exists light Lekan. Just came up with one in the car. Just before we go here, which soft pulpy. So remember, not just. So. I'm just thinking types of cancers upon don't exist. That's my challenge. Just thinking of names not filling it you're not flashing the rest of it to Bill doing was the logistics of that can even tell me could you fluids of fucking. Stop collect import food. What would you do people's time Clayton and people get off? As I said, I'm not interested think meat to the booth. I just I just trying to think of concepts that don't exist to beat in my own twisted brain to over stuff that doesn't exist. I have this problem that because of overpopulation in the world, I'm just absolute and in our place in the universe that was just so relevant. So I often can have that fear that nothing really Mars and that, but then it does. But that gives me the feel so often come over these challenges to prove ado have Christmas and my body and brain not just random number that there is some Absolute Auto shots, which is making up categories of things. We don't exist. Just to prove myself. I'm not just a number of dum are. Well, the smart there's no such thing as like, you know. Nah. I guess he's sometimes just come up with wacky ideas. Feel life. Like, the people that make it and like successful things are not these superintendent people. They're just people that are not stupid enough to not follow their idea. If you know what I'm saying like, they're so stupid. They'll just do it. Yeah. That's what you find these people. It's just like off the side. I'm going to start whatever I'm not taking us. Intelligent guy. Thank you people that do these things and people who are intelligent over think things end up stopping themselves from dune lost them, for example for a while. There was a shop in Paris that was a Christmas shop all year round. Can I just see the show Christmas show up this increase, and they had to move too much much bigger premises, and they awfully all year round enough fucking huge business as like blind. Chris it must be run on Christmas show all year round. Fucking hate me. Not to somebody that you need to. Listen this Christmas. You go to a store experience this, right? This is Easter all your. Was this someone holidays? Fuck booking is it Halloween Christmas every day Christmas stresses on this basis that we Faulk in Meeks children believe in this imaginative far mine who's based loosely on synth nNcholas who therefore is directly linked -ffiliated with Jeep Jesus. Jesus though making stuff behind it. There's tool pigs the red and white and all the rest of or Coca Cola. But then also we make believe this delivers them gifts, and he's affiliate other possibly are not possibly dependent stances make believe fucking God. But actually, it's just us comes by. Nobody presence. Why can't we just be like a fucking love you a boy at present because lake? But there's because there's so many insecure people in the world, it's not going to fly. Like, if you said to, you know, your your advice to someone, you know. No. Girlfriend in the pass or something boy something 'cause you know, I love you and it's Christmas. So let's just get on with that. They'll be like, oh, hell, no. They delight me. That's how you'd feel because. Single business. Probably. Because. Happy with it. Miss with water. But we are on a similar sort of like mindset when it comes to these things like I will get her a president. But it's not because is Christmas. Like we do things in Christmas. Same Valentine's Day. It's just fucking capitalism. Dave where you found ten days. Christmas and Easter doesn't it? Money to make money for companies us all is. Yeah. And everyone falls into feeling your partner extra extra on that specific Dave Barr. Rick. Lisa watch. Yeah. But it's not it just doesn't do anything for me that like I'm above control as well. So like some details after like do. I'm not that. I'm buying presences. Well, wake I would rather work. Not really like if I just seen some I came across something that I thought summed with like, I could just buy it for them, whereas Christmas, you're forced to thank thank and you end up. Wait like I've been girlfriend for like a while awake. Sex. So. You've got to remember mine. Just Bill a love of ages. I think it's six. Three years. Yeah. How long? You're talking sex birth sex Christmases like start to run of wake individual gifts or something. Yeah. List of types of porn, which. Really badly. Skirl the books. If you don't own. To try to fly one into Donald Trump for somebody from the Trump administration dill. Yes, you're fucking del John. He's actually doing this. They'll doing pardon that comes with. No children porn gaffe comes up important. Welcome to the world of. Okay about. It's real. Wow. That was a good catch. Steven just call. Some real billboard. I can't see. Realize? Thought it was going to be. There's no is this like a hole in woods. Birdie or adored prepares could just give you a haircut. Please. So I'm just gonna move onto some stuff that's been grown this week. Actually, I'm so yesterday McGregor retirement. Did you see this does? Expectedly was like on Twitter with no like build out new last fight. Nothing is just CEA. Busy. The second thing is done that way. See, right. See if he's. Drama pigeon. If that guy was in you shoes sort of like, I was in your club. We actually hang does. He goes straight years. Feel off right as the media storm that he creates before. But there's another just a me like calling McGregor. Actually, just no also did well deck it's hard because you'd be someone their whole it's like training with your coach for all your life. Like when you were. And then you're in the same age as well. Like, I think Conor coach is not old thinking. He's really old. Like, they're gonna similar should need. An affiliate just sort of bonded. No way. Like they're together is hard to say. But as a person, you don't think he's a complete deck. Oh, yeah. Yes. But I don't know him personally. I only know what we perceive from the media. But it's crazy though, like he's just the we don't get last fight. I think those important to say so what we see is the media image of him in the way that we see view that man has no obviously who the mon- is that so important point that we just see the hype as he's done. I think he has. I mean, my view is not the wanna see him fair. And I didn't wanna see him fake beep. I mean leading up to a gag on the Budweiser gin, but initially I was like keys just not being trained in all year. You can maintain this level. No train all year. And then go against the best competition anyone to Rhonda as can't do that. Like the person that would be anybody in the world Kohner the world when he was in the federal m. Featherweight division, and he was on his way up to the title that guy with a beaten anybody. But after that when he was just like for a year training Boxx in like that you just got distracted. He I think he could have generally beat the as off the back of. Lead up to the featherweight title because that was his whole life at that point. And then he just after Bill shit. See I'm not sure I mean, the last loss I mean, higher Munich to him as he to less Vegas, bent money. I mean, like did he really lose them? But the fight against Khabib. Yes. Generally believe because I was good to be a little bit money around. In that area. And everybody has a price. You know favorite that was in a favorite. Would want them to lose just questions through these things. And I think it was pretty much people thought was going to lose. Really? Yeah. Kinda shit and Japan. I shouldn't have shit too. Good. Probably would've adult ones come from. Oh, yeah. Seems like they have the technology. Could be. The most an advantage. Have knowledge. Everybody's the ten dollars. Mom, but this is the he retired. There was these allegations again came out that he was like sexually assaulted someone who's not fidget hem lake with some loss in the toilets to some places. I think it was his hotel room. He had a picture of this girl, and he was grabbing are thi- on. She's the one that says that she's got a bam to a baby. She's one of the person this Cleveland sexual assault different. I think is in Dublin or something the the girl that's claiming sexual assault and the girl that this hop with design liberal pillow new council, you know, imagine having all that money and then hanging to. Kooks helluva, Doug. Things you do when you're on coke it while you think maybe by retired. 'cause he loves the. Changli? Maybe just love Stilton. He's maybe done McLean. Living and training like fuck and living like a monk is nothing to fight for any more. I think is how much did you make off the actual box by a million dollars sixty sixty million link something like that. A little money. Long. Does that last one if you live in Ireland Ruutel Ireland in a mansion the money will go a long way? But, but if you live in fucking Bailey all the time like going on though, I'm sure you'll come up with a TV show. The economy Geiger YouTube channel the condition is whiskey. Yes, where he keeps them supposedly fuck intangible as all of you tied at all Wesley settled I fucking hate whiskey because my flatmate pasta way, this is. Start with that. It doesn't like can he? Can he? Any whiskey before that point? Then I e cl- diving Clave accident, then we went up and Bill akiem forum, and then is fever. Drink is two favorite dregs. Respect one was the worst cold la- Floyd might as well just let some duck. It's like a punch the poss from air as a pace of your listen from anywhere. Face from soil, right? And that the flake Freud Pete supposedly them after Scotland in the EU all the our dog Shatner. And the Japanese are coming out bear, but they're related to do differently. From the scars of the Japanese actually came across in the nineties and went around, and basically be moved from the distilleries distilleries that went to college with and he's over into putting all the time light didn't Aminov whiskey. Yeah. Whiskey seven hours. There's a new whiskey still have just popped up and three seconds at the back of bridge. Uva backup path lake is there one day. And I was like. But that's the thing is just jumping on the bandwagon. You have like these old west. Disorders. But. Gonna mcgregor's. Do he's jumping on that whiskey bandwagon Dom, right? I mean, he's he's Irish is it makes sense, you know, to have a brand like that. But it's just a brand. Shut people drink fucking popular. So he's in a lot of people that in the industry are saying is super popular. But it's not great taste young. Rushed over off the back of his name but alcohol guys. Expos alcohol only during like tenants. You've got we'll Robinson's die where juice daily. Well, waco. Doing special. War is war. About three years of the day. I fell on the war my war, and my host is fucking vile. Bill Nye is as to do with the clothing in the wall. But it generally you come in MOS and drink. You come in my fucking, vile. Inside my stomach is like a swimming pool. It's just like clothing fast as Bod. But it's fucking. Yeah. Because it's supposed to be when you go down. So when it starts to become a problem, you have to have fellers on your stuff to get lame. It's some lame off your your I was many moons ago vegan. I know solely, but just in then tell everybody. Before crawford. Still. Qualified told me every couple of weeks. You just finished cross roads. Was it kept whatever. Ward. Places like that pop enough though over Scotland like parents, would you wanted moneymaker? Do you go to impair of I've got some members that famous go there and the bag. What are you are in terms of have it applies to other sports as well? I mean, it's super functional like the the guys that trend cross that chain with us. Our our proper fat creates athletes. Describe twenty year guys fucking brick wall in always a fucking bag mother in. No, he's Nobel quick a bodybuilder, but he's fucking. I say I think it's really gen- general is really good. Forsake Lynn, you know, in terms of Mon beacon, you know, because it's. A has a basis rent Morella is well, you know, there's no lakes traditional bodybuilding where you know. That is right. You just nice that you know, is limited. You what you're doing is? You're training a muscle group in a specific movement. That grew the muscle as much more for me. I can do it in the garbage. And I can do this off explosive stuff in my garbage, and it works, really. Well, you get into that. Well. What's the closest because his really similar to the condition of used to show because as you know is so Casseus Amoah, you know, like, you know, like. I don't know bit yet. Feud. Across fan. Fuck also noted then probably Tori, spews, every workout. I used to be like that. Usually in the news over here. Liane often says to me like, you know, it'll be in the garbage total trainer. And she you're almost. I'll do sprints on the train of the. But I have headphones on and music. I can't hear it just like obviously punishing the pitch by she's still like fuck it always going. Always against cross that back in the day. I think back in the day, the dead have Kane a bad reputation. Now, it's much more. And I think. Again, it's just done to this individual gems. Some of them are really professional distant like stupid shit like suppose, it's. Supposed to be one of the phone does one of the main guys Dave Castro's. Yeah. He's the main Google compute for now. I'm not good. When have you seen documentaries of the competition? I've seen a couple of them. It was a couple years ago. The first one I saw so I'm not very good like gonna. As a as like, a real sport. Like, and it's Mazen how because Crawford. So very that. They've Castro a well will drop the workout wake the morning of. So you don't even know what your training to drop the work with corn rules, and he is a very white guy. Can you pull the home? Probably would appeal office. No, I don't know like the competitions in the last few years because they've had them cycling. So you've got these obsolete guerrillas? And of course, whether it is they buy two or to get two hundred bikes which are all identical, and they make them do this bizarre lake sacred thing before the anywhere near anyways, really weird to the as they were known aches. But they were doing a cycle cross. They'll thing which is like gonna loop when I say, but and it was just like quite odd. But I think that's fighting with crossbows. Because I think what they're trying to do is like. Just run them mud. You wouldn't normally do I think that's the point of the cross. Only do and therefore that it's your overall wellbeing Venice because you're doing these bizarre and all the rides helps as well. Probably snorkeling, definitely knock queens. Is always told to me that it was what female cross take? And I was like, okay. Yeah. Because they're all shredded vision of like some of these incredible like. Like they've got like muscle. Yeah. Like women kind get like that. But sometimes says hell ick is held damn. Taro show can way and just. He was always traditionally thought that the total shelve is due to eat. She h but I think it I think it's a is more insulin based because it was always thought it was because I was the organs people's stomachs are failing. Roll girls. What happens is that your heart and your lungs grew? Right. But the chest cavity can't grow. So therefore what then happens is that disdained is called until in there for you get like a Toth. But I think that is more to do with insulin on they start using insulin. I don't know how what bodybuilders they use insulin. Yeah. Okay. If not clean. There's a Canessa of a movement is trying to get away from that image in especially in bodybuild, yell guy. You know, they do the trying to not, but like within the sort of chill mean bodybuilding? They're trying to move away from those like beg distended bellies. Classic. I mean, clearly though, of course. But then. To the into the fuck it. Pumping iron now, which which one of the massive the massive massive bodybuilders is like an appeal chill new green or something like that is one of them is like tulips of gone. He's weird though. I was like alien quite straight. Yeah. You're talking about the guy that was before that it was the powerlifters. Well, right. What's his name? Ronnie coleman. I regret nothing. To to bring on a game. He's the best wheelchair. Lifting himself up this Thurs by his like arms wheelchair. You know? My favorite motherfucker is. I love Judy MU. Okay. Did you? Got into him. Goes on YouTube sternum, some extra powerlifter Lassie. So just as we are running Coleman will never will again two million dollars three years. Times. Crazy like. For years old hats, and it was just what I was needs. Jim nation is beg swing a deck. He's buying tasted. This. I also know they're saying I think after something that happened a couple of years ago they were saying up and other were saying if he starts painting again leave him paralyzed. But what is it? Spin mental. Yes. That's the surgeries an incessant training. So this is raft of surgeries is probably immune system's fucked. So he is not able to keep anything off when he goes for a surgery or is injured or is just training all the time. Do you think is affected is never system, or as I cannot fate tokens training instead of defect your immune system, though? Because taxes it run starting out when you're over train the not really. Yes. Touch. We don't have this leeway. The point of can you get to the point where you're on a fucking cheered. You can't lift a fucking bison. They're not doing training like like normal strain. And he was known as one of the strongest ever because he left is probably still trying to hang with a young guy. Well, and. You're not supposed to look like that for after all that gear. Give them in the all the all the folk in new idea. Like a mind much in there. Fucking Bill for the gear. Like, I've I've watched that. There was a guy did you move whose YouTube channel called Ladda wheel? And I was like he's going from bodybuilder too strong moan. Because they were over Thor wherever has poces gold and a well you seen his paralyzed in one face on one side of his face. Yeah. The Mona fucking me. Good. Like some weird version of a stroke that left only just as face parlays one side. Yeah. As call something. Long enemy being that size. Anyway, are they gonna like this guy lifting? Fuck. Forced on his girlfriend. I swear to God as. I-i scares me. She is tiny like obviously tiny he weighs over. I think he weighs something like two hundred twenty kilos and say, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure he's two hundred ten to twenty years. Buzz a low. These people is not the natural body weight. There are some of these bodybuilders and strength competitors. Bake. But am what's his name? The the moment. He was like a thin basketball player, but really tall is eventually put the way on. Like Eddie halls. Well, he's a smaller guy and he put on like stupid immense await so he's able to left fuck and see when he did the deadly bleeding from the news half left thought gives me the feeling did you see it gives me the actual fear along with his joint. That's crazy like who would have ever thought. That's the guy that would have dead lifted five pounds the five hundred five. Half the time like they are bleeding. They're fucking skin. Their foreheads starts Weedon. Just sweat explosion of the tension. If you cannot. Today's. Those two. But he's like taking as into food town is not competing strength anymore. No, he's gone by like physique. Twin? Guys, like fuck like rectal. The one unitards. Like. A fucking death metal album. A unity was lead list. From the unitards so pool will. There was the bun anal con. Guys. Yeah. Good stuff. They can sell it me the name. Yeah. Wheels who've is on Jima. I like I like to of this guy. He is in good good. And he's strong. And then you watch them these like, you know, when I was a kid and then but he's like twenty two or twenty three. I was like holy shit today. There's no Miki Luke young likes make you Luke fuckin- well older than yards like for sure. And did you see when the world arm? Wrestling champion was under the Canadian guy can members name. Yes. Fucking amazing. But he was done all the strengths challenges, and basically build do what he does and then he'll trying to like their work. So they haven't left. Like the grips are were. But he doesn't he doesn't armez over the grip. He just he's like so best than four on like, he doesn't grab. Yes. Yes. Usually different twists of the rest to help him that play the situation as. So like if watched it, and there was those different muscle, groupings and arm, which is the twist in motion that the us, right? So just like bicep tricep Tual like in the other motions in the arm that they trained to do. His name's Dave and Laura Devon. Yeah. He's got the steak haircut. Absolutely. Giant giant Deleu fingers? If you'd like. Be like exactly you. Be if you're an arm wrestle a washer. Oh. These of because you don't put on deodorant now. Really why? Twice a day. So I still stink. More susceptible to ringworm when you show her all the time. Maybe but you're probably even more susceptible to suffer after don't shower. But there's you can start taking my skin is fucking constantly, dry and half. They always moist rise not because two shows day. Oh, fuck your scanner. But then I would rather be clean than dislike smell. Univer touch our shower. Don't if not trained even teaching our show experience of ringworm Ray. They're all stuff once. Sucks. But I mean when I got rid of it, and like a week to me once this is the most idiotic thing ever, right? A couple of years ago the flu right there ended up in hospital with the flu. So it was pretty, but I lost a student shit. Yeah. I would never go bad for month on a after recovering right mummy. It was like, oh, we come in to say call the Strath Puffer, and it's like. In the next day. He come into this race we need to do. So it's twenty four hour race in this new and John Ray up the north past Venus. So enemy the be all end. All is that eventually lost me so much just Thomson that I went and did it, right? The twenty four hour race with him in a team. It was minus fifteen my last cycle. You dilute. So this year pass January join me after right after it. So it just had the flu in December and Halsall for Christmas. So in January did a twenty four hour cycle race. Then after when my heart rate, monitor goes had this late little rash as I fuck I've got ring one. So did everybody does ringworm because some bleach? So I was like. I swore it didn't. It didn't go away. So I was like, you know, I need more. Awfully three or four days of bleach. And it wasn't going to be fucked up suppose about whom see on the them. So into the town, and she was like, that's no ring one you've got shingles. Fucks? Heedful spent spent a month in bed twenty four hour fucking sake racing. This new, of course. Jesus Christ one symptom of old as well. Fuck you. All form of chicken poke. I had that when I was like airway twin other by walks in bond, drug your body other much as actually Philly Brown fucking dying shingles. Chickenpox the version. Saucer. Yes. Of nervous getting around. It is caused by the bestseller bolster virus? I got these polls for similar to chicken books. Yeah. Sorry, these POWs for shingles, the doctor gave him all these around depressants worked to combat shingles. All right, Carolyn take them right with these we blew house and fucking strep in at the ball. These guys I was in bed. Right. And I'm sleep. But if I opened my eyes I could see room, but it was guys off in the Destin my version running towards me toy fucking kill me. And I was just remember being frozen. Couldn't move screen minnows is fucking terrified. When I finally got without washed the wall. Yeah. That's crazy did prescribe. You boys considered Anita presence wrinkles disgust monacell shit. A new hospital with flu because it started to listen, do you remember when I bring more remember that? Because I don't my face. They're like spread. I didn't know what it was an pray late. When I go to politics, you know, kind of member fungal one hundred been training. I think it went back once or something, and I was using on e bacterial so which is tangible for your skin. So my schedule is like get wiped, and I was really susceptible to get much late in the knew what it was the first time. I got in a little blame show my cheek then it just like bigger and bigger nothing because then eventually. This out to go to the doctor sucks. We have a we have white really really liked strikes strike hygiene rules German. Everybody's informed. Like f you do get why athletes for our fungal nail are Wrangler that that Lama. So while some cream as only one everybody if you go to the doctor, they'll give you a Coniston or something and get rid of it and like. Right about super super-quick. Yeah. So we just basically every almost every few months, I go over and over the hygiene royals because there's new the cleanest Jim ever. The rule in heaven the band bras. It's like their place I've ever seen. It is beautiful. Yeah. I know how much still coup. Why did you choose wait months? Was it that you thought I'll clean. I'll wake well. I mean, maybe a few reasons I wanted the four was originally are at jigsaw square. Dry jackson. And then like the grooves obsessed hygiene. I don't like the grooves between them under still I say it to get like a bag tarp. So it's made by the guys that make like the stuff for the state of the waters. Zebra. The same as some kind of vinyl ever. And I just told white and as tries transparency for the hygiene when you come in. And you should yeah. See the most pristine m makes sense that makes sense a net. Also, again, what everybody's talks about on social media. Looks good looks good. If I video of some thin like some people in gem at works out. Trying to score. Yeah. Yeah. Looks awesome. Yeah. And need always need redone in that book. People who have the mindset of all we'll get darker ones to hate after anything more. Kennedy juicer gems. Not saying that, you know, everyone is. Between the some pray and key places whenever we. And I'm white freaked out by who AAC nasty sorrow in the cage, and you can see like when you're rolling. Imploringly ruling a ride get arm bar. Mostly just lake him. Delay. You'll get pulled over the role in all the time. And then you look at the legal these just I think. And his. Dragon. But he shaved his dragons. Yeah. It's probably belly. European started Whitley and not not lately. Joy. No two. I know it just. Bevan random. Did you guys watch anything actually general view, the new Michael Jackson document, not? It's like how many parts that too? Yeah. Crazy like guess, I don't know how people can start with the phantom. I mean, I. What people that I'm not gonna watch it. You know, these guys were on the brink of humna shit career. So no, they're trying to promote in and make some money ever Navales. But when you hear them speak when you listen to them. I don't think they think they're telling lies like I think it just there's something he had over there's. Yeah. Like, I mean, if you were molested as a kid your life going to be fucked up do anyway that not a result of being molested is your careers is just never gonna work because of what happened to you being the last seven years when your child, and then you get to the joints. There is actually finally got the the college Tacoma and tell people what this this guy done, and they is not anything care, and there's people saying that you're fucking line. And you just want money. That's not too. And especially if someone convinces you that you love with those on that he loves ya. We're seven years old basically thought the burner early key crafted them into what they are today. And they're broken men. Their ways have been destroyed as the parents as well on the fans GATS on Michael Jackson's stuff. I mean, anybody like I think one of the meats was said that she saw something at one of the testimonies. And then she was like it didn't cooperate with one of the kids 'cause he was paid off to nothing, obviously, so hard testimony was thrown aside, even though she was like a walk in on. All of this stuff is pretty graphic some of the stuff, I didn't think 'cause you hear that. He might be came cly castrated thrill the drugs that you taken. Or is that given them today with his voice and all this nonsense. But it seems like he was you know, hyper sexual for so. Yeah. A motherfucker fucking not case. But the the more time that passes from seeing from these things that were having like hem have always having a young boy around all times like a new flavor every every however many months, but the more time that passes from that. And you look back on it, and you're a fucking coarse. But then if you listen to MacAulay Culkin MacAulay culkin's late night, you so fucking to thing, you know. But let's face the whole fucking thing stinks that he fucking weird mother fucker. He was a heroin addict colleague. Well, this is someone who's been paid off. You know, this is this is what the us Makoko can is like. Well, no, they say MacAulay Kokin says that he's so he's not done anything. But that's what these guys were said up until the book. Thirty six or something. He might just be defend where they were like, he's he's not ready to find the Barbara mega strays and was like, no everything's fine. Here have a to. She wasn't in a new kid. She said something we we then. It's not going to answer you when you're saying stuff. But she said something she said some in this week, which was about, you know, people be molested as really I don't know you have to go that shit. That's on looking at internet prompts done. No that the computer automatically fucking answer, Jamie. So that can young Jamie. Google Barbra Streisand was a there's video of what Toya saying that. She was Michael, but he's a paedophile. And that was in the three a thing did fall as well. I think but. Yes. She was too needs to stop. You know, these obviously he's done. Something was it. She said this was like a Middle Eastern country or something. The awards show that she's getting view dot one ic- Fisher, she's been outspoken about. So we're going to pull the Dr Jill give him a fucking medal. Which was when they killed me. That's another thing. You didn't talk in him. Right. If Michael Jackson's asking you for drugs and. When you're in your doctor, you're probably nine everyone. The drugs like he'd been Callum. Yeah. Everyone thinks officials is you know, they're making you take some real world works. Everybody wants to buy that shit thing was completely strange. It you member we looking at didn't need the Michael Bashir view on y'all or years ago. And he said it never had like those job. Then eventually it was like just like hot one one knows dove. Yeah. And then his skin color changes. Well, these are things that people just never ever, but you know. They said on his autopsy, but he did help that that in impetigo, but it doesn't evenly distribute like that supposedly like it's in clumps that you get this white got his knuckles. Also, like more white or than the rest. It's not like. I uniform bleaching of the skin. Asmal? Glad he's fucking gone than the truth. So yeah, I'm in Jimmy Fokin Hovena. I mean before I watched it. I was like if he'd done all this than to be a bunch more people that came out afterwards this in the same way with Jimmy Saville when he died that was the sort of the dumb wall broke. Then everyone came in and said, this is what happened. But after watching it I was like shit. The thing is that people will still listen to music, but they won't listen to cloud people on like sort of spy or even like resilience, like they show on just to be like Homer with the, you know, and the people that write bonnet, obviously, I'm not I had a few songs of has which is weird because I've never been a mecca Jackson, but I just go into the off the wall album reently before documentary, and then I had to take him off Cuevas because I was like I can't less Dennis right night knowing that the songs pro seven point. Kelly. He's always been a criminal, and the everything I was never condemn. Seems much more commission is the only song I love boarded by his you know, you can. Something geniuses genius. When it comes to song. You know that doesn't represent them in. They don't represent in the best thing is he did these terrible things. The best thing ever the 'alliance trapped in the drive. Is amazing. We'd all young so parties of Michael Jackson. Always great. I'm fine. Yeah. That's. Across all brand keep up with the Kuttner eater pita. That's it. Yeah. So she said, basically, the Streisand she said something about like containment lasted, but those children as you heard say grownup Robson in safe Joe they were thrilled to be there. This is what driving side in regards to those kids. But then listen before you'll find by both children. So it didn't kill them is what she said. I know. But before you're abused takes to Disneyland. You could dislikes Mazen. Then you got us. Also my ruin Molly. How'd you recover from? Almost go them. You know, I mean, it's pretty much just the tortured people constantly is that every decision in their life. It's not won't be just a case of a Cecilio. I was molested by Michael Jackson. It's like everything in the life is just overshadowed by that. And you can't you can't like a guess. Like discern or obstruct from it. Like these things if is this just me yours this. You know, what happened to me my past? He's are things affected one. Young age their pin shaped onto shaped until seven and yet jail us when he was hanging on gather crazy body to one of them fake. I think the whole Hollywood scene is a business in look at everything from Charlie Sheen to Madonna even to some of the managers of happen league JC getting money to what's his bus? The guys lesbian known. She might a famous while e Lassie chatting Tatum. I coned tanning Tatum. Because it looks like you say Jesse is not. Wait minute and thought she was the Lisbon. She doesn't use shift other Marlet successors ago, you're on the fuck and bulbous the heartbeat. Expected. The report but somebody's this conspiracy theories. But I'll see you thought she was this thing is that she looks much ex wife, they think maybe just by a who is he married to. Don't know us previous wife's name, she says by sexually by she'll allocate was fades. That's like me. I used to be. But it's just a phase. No, you're still there doing this shit. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I love my stinky GT, I don't often drink when I do go to ten have you seen him? We'll Scotland's going to be fighting for the title on cage warriors in against judge shore and opening his own name. A major impairment. Good for you. I guess maybe. Yeah. That's cool. What does he fighting for the tail the twenty seventh of this month? Thank nice like this huge weight for way, less today. I'll be Saudi able. He's a destroyer. Howdy be focused like by technically. You know? I'm genetically able is. It's as if he's like me who's like a high function Nydia with shit genetics. He's good genetics undies like tentacles. Well, but he's bee's nece ways is taking his well, take a head cook. Already had kicked him in the face one day and never came again. Because he. He retired. This. So was the knocker the day inaugural self with the heads. No. But he's a he's a gifted athlete. He deserves what he gets like. The thing that a lot of people do once they start to get a little bit success is is build these gems in the diversifying their portfolio split. So it speak, and then he can live off that as well as other than our life. Because only one Bill is Jim. I don't know how it would work. If you're trying to do. Back of being a name amaze star, you're doing it through sheer dislike. Yes. Yeah. Dan that that means I can dedicate the time to the gym trying to be like a. Highway. Lastly, I don't know how that would work out. In balancing, the one fires extremely competitive. You know in its does that tons late whale into teaching in having a gym in whatever think of the workload score is going to have. All right. So he is a professional athlete is working in ninety five job. He has a following with kids. Well, Jim antiques judo where the fuck does not mind the team from in a lake. The. We feel tired. Get out get the KGB late at least news. Tired like you've got one one. Shea news. Yeah. I feel like if I was to try and be out like, well, obviously, I'm pasta. Nobody like if I was to have. I could never be a while champion, though, adult I could never be in other words. Don jets, just so the Israeli different story. Just as a difference in masters, and there is a difference in between masters. Are the people are the people aren't masters are not necessarily or is it just you're older. Masters because his age ages it mass, for example. An idol. There's other blue belts right now that are seventeen. Right. But are like a black belt Wagle. Because of the time you have to spend the belts. Every can be promoted there by the time. They get divide belt the twin eight twenty one under moral class been transferred five so Bluebells nowadays, you can have a without as bear. So cool guy. He's been trying for years guess widow. But because these kids have been training since they were five if always been almost ahead of their belts and get the blue belt. They're already about will. And if so what to get through purple Denbigh, whereas masters you're talking about guys there. Why about so they could have been trained hallway m and they're just having to be there at that point or and I just feel that is people are they're their day wiser different like these guys that are seventeen the. As training for them. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how I would hope fair say jets would have been a success if I had to focus on myself because you need to be super Selva. I I've always been about focus on my own progression. But I've never had to worry about like being the best diversion over time. Because if a HUD to do that, I feel like it's one or the other. You always like to try and be like UFC oh, ever take nude. I would need to just just in your passion for juicers obvious outweighs the love other things in your life. But. I'm where. For seven days a week just know and an going fill time. No, so freighters moas debt, my work. What do you do? I work in a coffee and the time just to just to supplement. Do the. Not do you. No way. So I'm doing I'm doing. Veterans. So there's like seventeen. Too late nine classes of snow. I that another hopefully four and in the boat, and then I can be on same or some. So we're going to be proper way there's gonna be MS basically as supervision that way. If you if you were in parents that you'd probably have a night that you're free to train. I've made it like that has no as looming. Moral doodoo suggests though it's hard if you unless you're off on a specific night, it's hard to find some they're very like open all day, or they have other people teaching other times as hard to not make a closet or sage though because of the to a no because I'm outta even more. I'm be going to hopefully, women's only more kids costs more daytime classes, there's going to be inky. Nobis Nobis only it's. You know, I'm looking forward to that again that I can only do that. No. And I've been working in the coffee and the gem. For two and a half, maybe two and a half years gems being going on reworking the cafe late as well. So we're going to twenty hours a week there. And then al-mahras McCain's the gym max. So now, I need no hard to quit. The works can put more time in the gym. Of what you built that way as belt at by that to collect two and a half years to build up addition where where could quit my job to be to feel safe and people don't been feet for those types of things need just fall. I would have the truth. I'll have to do that. And it's been two years of like. Tough life whether on the bones are not really been able to do too much weight. We my girlfriend like one because I'm either having to teach classes or. So you've been on any holidays. I mean holidays be on holidays been. Holidays I've been lucky enough to get holidays. And now, I go guys cover classes in Spain for a bit. Then you before is. Ms. Bluebell and spin. On what to like have a little conversation about that generally because of heavily skull in. There was a cow. Kelaniya over there. The time when they were champion for independence. There. I was there to win. Scotland voids for independence. And some of those did so the. Against that. I wanted to be set from most of the UK. Vote by proxy acts as always. Work. I got my mom to a mom how to go there. Two. Yeah. He's like over the week. I'm fine with that. Giving you gonna do with the cross the be more conditioned. Of course leap. By you know, there was amazing. One of the best thing, though, don't annoy not gonna live. We moved by. Yeah. Yes. We met and got one and then removed over to Spain there for just about a year. And then we moved back. She went to university here. Oh finished or university here. She's a masters and the am. The that's been a star gem. Right. Not straightaway. But after last the gym. Is that what you wanted to do? I never wanted to be a teacher 'cause I walked compete in like, my selfishness. But just a Haddad class a couple times a week. And then a west the place that was teaching a couple times week to start fierce agency. Because when I left the place I was teaching. I was like oh shut. There's like there was maybe twelve people something training know shack. We've these people with nothing. Right fog it. Why should do it? And I just jumped jumped in walk Marsov since that all these like smaller places Paris essay, wouldn't quote, just two of these places sprang up when we start training. You know, you you more. So you to go up to India? On D wherever trained in Glen Rothfusz flying onto sure some urban disturbance. Remember, it was good. Yeah. It was like the conditioning heart. And that was that was decent. Why needed to that point? You were going up there tap in to train both year. Yeah. I was driving to train. But then that's just what you do when you know when you're young up. Trained. Yeah. Just you know, you can be selfish as self ocean. When you stop it. You've got to be, you know, affects you like, you know, but then uses just developed into different things, it sort of evolved. So speaks he went from that so selfish train, and we just focused competition. And what's actually happened is grew narms lanes and turned into something completely definitely say jujitsu compete much. I competed. The month ago or someone I'm hoping to get back injury for watching of in training. It's a hard hat as I injury of how to take time off and like eat like three years. Thank you, the source muscle and my glue, unlike hep strain, or whatever it's like, a mass, and I'm just trying alike. I keep coming back and treated, and then it sort again. So I need to try and find a piece to come back and like. Hopefully, I'll get back into competition there at couple months ago and just at purple belt. There's not many guys into my way on my age. So got one much I got moved up to under seventy I got one much. One sixty under sex four competed under fifty. I've seen a few times the journal as well. Sometimes I've been I've got moved up to seventy there was that it was fine. All right, and international competitions of gone down to under fifty on the fifty seven. So you like diet for that one year amend fast? Yeah. Yeah. We do. I don't I don't not for this second or third time on it. Yeah. I've just I just had to be golf. But I'm I've been doing quite in in fasten. I went to stock do on a when it came by faucet for like twenty one dollars. It's not race Rory. And then, but no extras pelican needed to do. I just saw I totally saw me because drinking full days, and then just fast it in seem to what your routine for it. So it just do that sixty eight. So you do so you don't eat for sixty dollars in the you do for the day every day every day that coincides with the winter sleep in as well. Yes, that's right. So I just saw pretty easy. That's almost like skipping breakfast. Yeah. Yeah. You do. You do breakfast. So what time do you stop and start in? So he finished nightly or nine that you can eat like one to the next day say like so as easy. Then if you just have a block coffee for breakfast, and then you like charter from black coffee, and then you have another black coffee Bill live, and when you've been fast and as well in the morning. Yeah. Ofek anything initially it does until your body. So against that call it that lip fob on process. It does fuck. Tights or so. Yes fucking. It's a hormone Olympics thing. So the five every five sale has a home on sensitive lipid in a and that's like a light switch to Bunn the hot zone. So that's what when they talk about fired up shin. When you start to bond, not five said of using the blood shoe, go in your body. So once you get into that. But I've just come off so pledges diagnose deaths, but it doesn't so I was I wasn't cycling for ages because fucked collarbone as saying Allah, but so because it wasn't saquon. I just went too fast. And then a lawyer never really lost them. Actually did lose lose lost three kilos. But I would say little nights they lose much. Why didn't do it into enough nor lost Hilo reasonable event of weight? Yeah. So. I myself this morning. Three and a half keillor's lost. So what he what he after you like fast. So of the thing the phones is that see initially when a fuss died, I was really having late fifteen hundred calories a day happens. Your body just goes into lockdown. You have to actually have for me. I'd have to have those in college and wants to start eating to those two thousand colleges. Then the we start coming off, which is a bizarre concept. I think that if heatless you'd lose more weight, you body seems to go into sharks stubborn. Latins and go, and I don't know if retaining more water what he was doing. But then, you know, as to eat more the way it started really falling off. So I worked for me, but it doesn't necessarily works. Really? Well for. Quite well when you're like, I was like, dad left and stuff. So I actually works fine for that. You know, traditionally body bells tell you that you know, that really facts your strength that didn't find it to defacement strength was fine. With that affects men I'm not able to keep on going after like forever start to feel about league. Dizzy and ship. You know, then we wanna that different when we will shoes early UD level and often you'll get a bit dizzy when you first start dying and you do like when offends conditioning classes, they lake. Lake. Can see Fokin gonna work and heat manure are we were like a pass train in like wasn't just before Christmas that I mentioned this. No. So then like just in loads a heavyweight, whatever. And I went onto the bar for some reason for a kilos. L five, and I just saw up an hour member was being on the floor, and it was in the gym by myself. So I was like fuck no one else. Oh. The cameras. Well, so it was like. Some guys probably watching lofted, but I got up, and I was just like fuck up and don't know, but I've been training pretty hard the whole day on. So a law for Faulk in like Liam basically fucking left is also said that was in Boston and sometimes remained fashionable people feel like after the finish their fast. They want to gore. No. But see, I actually just if you actually break your fast break, I break your fast properly, and if you had something like he'll or you know, I for the first few weeks, I was actually breaking fast with solid fucking ridiculous. But what men was Leland the day wasn't Gordon because when was wasn't just the in that shit, give me the sugar high dropped again, you know, evenly played that if you have. You will gorge little, but you've got to still, you know, you can I think you can have a reasonably normal meal in the evening of a big meal because you need to give fuck into off those calories in you see trying to end two thousand calories window as fucking hauled kicking then. Yeah, you have to back. You can like bumper. I fucking lazy your diet like price. Is fast like just something even thank about anymore. I eat like maybe twelve call to to claw each day. Will fats peanut bar clean equally clean. Ten extent. Could rank Milkin. But on outside clean. I don't like it personally. But it's less included in shit. We don't drink your carbs either drink because you drinking carbs. I don't do. I was ITO glow. Cobber? No, no. You don't have to them in fast. Bit more relaxed. The book just when I think about drink. It's like giving two hundred. You know, some activists well have been going claiming awas in recently. Well, so I've been burned shut with a calorie. So have to try and get and Malkhas like pray. Good for the county. Something I as claiming something done before going to. And then got back into recently just trying to bounce back out. Sportscenter past is tell me a west weights. Try and Kim. I got Ron amount of. Those real name real name. And but she she told me to do some weights not to balance. In font. Join us rebalancing audio feel gray. It's like takes my mind off to Jetson for a couple of hours again on it helps up strain. So think after watching that pre Sola documentary, I think everyone wants to Alex. Yeah. Yeah. It's no. There was another one called the Don wall, which has got the guy who helped Alex. And I thought it was a document. Have you watched it? Yes. He's the first to go up the Don mall dollar of L capital. One has never been done. You guys are talking to Michael Jackson there. Was divorced. Mighty shirt. Never watched new Fokker, Alex. And the Mahdi was crazy as a whole. On the whole of sausage fingers. But it's a good a good dog. Don't get me wrong. The free so free Soling, but it was a bit. But it's like, but the actual. But the actual document added and find great, but the Don wall wanted to me is a National Geographic documentary. So it was. Yeah. Yeah. Don was on independent guy. I think it's probably the same Sandra films or something. Diving's claiming phones, it's an Asian guy. Isn't it like? Right. Well, Domos good because it has a lot of Komen has other stories in it. And then it has Johnny. Climber. Was like kidnapped in Kurdistan by these like, rebel Muslim fires. And then end up priestess guy off a cliff because we're all like, it was one fight left on the four of them in the group Americans on the reclaiming this this this face, and they were all used to claiming Oviously so they felt. Es being up there. But they could see this guy the guy that was keeping them prisoner. Wasn't that great up there? So the relate gonna get if you're someone's going to have to do something. So he pushes us guy play at nighttime. And just he's them sailing over the cliff and is like just. Complete grief and trauma that affects through is life because of it in claiming takes over saved feeler people's lives. Difficult thing to do you know, it was like such a moral quandary when I was watching it. I was like holy shit. How would you really feel? I mean, I know you would probably likes this is spot or the guy. Well, let's go train. I'll spill. Bye. Then. But. Like to be honest like. Also sort of just like the also loses a finger as well. And then the claiming world especially your index finger. That's the one that everyone needs to on your fourth as your thumb over your index for small, so that's the one that people need he lost it. After Trump in for go. After a new like see, it's just the mindset that I don't know the fucker in one hundred twenty seven hours still doing crazy shit one hundred and he's still claiming stuff away is the did ever watched it either another thing of noise. But you're right. I think I probably would have killed them on the phone numbers holding everybody hostage. But I would have beat myself up a bow for the Malays, you know, but I think it was maybe like seventeen point as young as a young guy. The time that was in the group as well. Well. That's one thing a free soul as the guys go friend. She she was the one that first-rate me. I couldn't watch it because of her because you frustrate the hell at me. Hey, people get in the way of other people's genius. So frustration we've been talking about how how wok empathy. Nice one thing. I hear is like. Did you? With autism. I give them the really diagnosis. He knows how to Schick some of these times of for using justic. Can you look people in that's the back can can shake some of these hunt. So apparently, I'm mortgage. I'm his girlfriend was the thing that for me so much just because he's a bit. So if you think about chilled liquid relationships because he's not really hot any leading up to this really about. And he's always just as claiming taken over as punch in with her night. He's a really nice guy. He's like a Mormon. But without the religion doesn't join key. It's like a monk. Yeah. He's among is basically you. More humble me. Sausages kill people. It's more of the succession me. Just you know, buying the risque on Mon evidence. There's a highly movie Patterson. Maybe just to protect them. But China not she's she is also fake though. Like she's trying to change him. I think every girl most girls get the successful person. And they think he'll change for me type mental air feels like that Miami, Gordon said that us at like, the primarily Cest like, yeah, this is wasn't. There was the dos goes wherever the thing is this is for you guys hungry today. Like, how do you feel about this? Yeah. We've been awkward CT's county, and they should just locked the par of like fear and his mind with other bit ex-. Meghan up when other people does. So he's not scared nothing thinks things don't rose as much as other. He doesn't is not thrill. I think condition that by the way, I just want to feel definitely probably got some of that. Definitely do not feel I feel like on the bike like I don't feel fear while other people would feel, but then there's some things that bully them into bike. But no everything but being on a bike is different from being without ropes up moment. But whether doing is the taste is actually nothing to do with claiming. It's just like no patches of like some delight with the night. Some the contractor a plane going down. Example of that. When you first started spotted, right no respond because you guys call it spun. So when I first went ruling club years ago with the relate some news own spas to the teacher. But no, gloves and. So you when you first ever get punched in the face and a spa and thing, you know, like, you know, journaling is so high that you believe bleeding food four heads because you swears. Absolutely exhilarate. You know, you're adrenaline is through the roof week you'll lick Joni then fast forward two years time. You're spot. Okay. Yeah. So you can condition that sort of level of fear. You know, look at racing drivers be similar, you know. Whereas if you if you put into their car, he fucking shit your pants, obviously you did today. The room store. Fast run. You can condition that level of fear, and maybe not I don't think that's biological. I think that's something that we have the ability to a very skilled, he cat young person. And as an adult sleek if somebody had a fight right now from me, unless they pull the knife, just like more less. This or less as you think your Alex? I just think he has the ability to chew of his brain. He's done that himself. Everybody is born this like the nature. So fucking deal. If you're a fucking wheel dealer, right? You shut your everything. But if you're a deal in zoo, you don't give a fuck of infant. Goes I don't mean. That's what he says. He says may be metalized just tired after. Being. So he says Greg to think he's constantly on constantly use. It is consulted himself in such dangerous situations that becomes. Well, you know is not another case. Like, we are. That's why he then starts to go farther deeper harder. I are more dangerous because maybe he's actually looking for that head. Maybe that's like because then the found they were there. Look back out a all the people, and you have been free so claiming and they're all dead. Yeah. There's no none. None of them. Bike bag successful solo quite are alive. None of them. Yeah. No. And then the thing I I remember years ago when I was claiming Alex was sent free solo, but free solar stuff that I feel is safe and easy. But no, that's not really the case. He's doing proper super hard shirt. So I would be absolutely terrible to see how Steiber statistically it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. Like, I don't know why for only L L comp claims. Yeah. L Kaftan is that I was in Edinburgh ones here as we think it was waiting for tattoo with Jason Corbett. And what happened was the end of his always the had an appointment. And I went into an out galaxy obviously by mistake because Mike, but and it was a photographer, and it was really three or four floors and his name is Ansel Adams, but he sort of specialized in use EMMY. And it's like black and white. But I tell you what you should go. Have look is what was like fucking stunned. Of course, I was just like bang face from paraphrase, but a swag into this place. It was just like holy fuck. But you quite a few fans food of El capitan. No, it's not until you see the size of the trees in the food high. You realize fucking monumental faces. So hard to father. Mm-hmm. Beggars because most you'll take like one or two days to claim is what bet your on. And it depends on what claiming Alex I think to under three hours to free solo freed either holy shit. But Don well was such a hard route two fourteen days days, seven seventy movie fourteen days was geared Aleksis, obviously free. So it doesn't have the about that. That race. The like makeshift camp. They have up face. They're amazing. They're called nece pure models. Fuck again. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a little town. Came up with the porn. It doesn't. If I think we've just come full circles. Standard that way because for coming on as anything you want to promote. Just your Jim Magus me. Jim. Just tell we giggle. Thanks for coming on the new two point. Oh studio. I'm keeping podcast. If you listen, I'll see you next.

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Season 5 - Episode 7

They Walk Among Us

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Season 5 - Episode 7

"Thank you for listening to this episode of they walk among us. Is the PODCAST is being expanding. We're looking a multiple ways to keep his sustainable. You can now get signed. They walk among US books along with t shirts and other branded merchandise in our at C. Shop, and if he wants to sign up to Patriot, Herat free content bonus episodes and season one, maybe a costs new supporter tool is for you. To get started, you just need to click the support. They show link at the bottom of the episode description or visit they walk among US podcast dot com forward slash die night there's absolutely no subscription or regular commitment is just a one off payments in it's up to you how much you give with apple pie or Google pay will take less than thirty seconds. Thanks again for listening. Five. Episode seven of they walk among us. A podcast dedicated to U K. True Crime. This episode contains distressing things. Explicit language and descriptions of violence. This podcast is intended for mature audience. Listener caution is advised. The disappearance of Madeleine McCann A three-year-old the went missing from a Portuguese holiday resort in two thousand and seven as being widely covered by the media. Back in Nineteen ninety-five. Another three-year-old went missing wall. It's a holiday park. This is the case of Leoni Keating. The end of Nineteen, ninety, four David en- gales relationship was either. The constant fighting and arguing made it impossible to stay together. Even, if just two years earlier, they had welcomed their daughter Leonie into this World Queen Charlotte's Maternity Hospital in. Hammersmith. Gayle Keating Fred the couple's home in north halt. West London. She moved to a women's hostel in Acton along with her daughter's eleven year old Nikola known as Nikki. And Leoni. A partner Ran Leonis Father David Cornell moved to Battersea in the south of the capital a custody battle for Leoneans shoot between Gail and David. Burt by August the following year, the courts made their decision. The irony would remain in the care of her mother. Gail was ecstatic and whence out for a celebratory meal at a pub with her mother, Joyce biker and her stepfather. Charles. Later that month the refuge where she was still staying hood organized the trip for Gail Lanta daughters along with the other residents. The Seashore Caravan Park in Great Yarmouth Norfolk was almost a three hour drive away. Gail was given the keys to k twenty four, just one of the thousand nondescript holiday homes. Rows of identical Brown and cream caravans sat side-by-side. Nikki and three-year-old Leoni spent the next few days playing on the nearby Sandy beach eating ice creams and enjoying the children's entertainment. Comfort and child. Leoni made friends with other children at the holiday park. The week long trip had gone plan and with only one night left on the evening of Friday September thirteenth nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five. Nikki wanted to go to the onsite disco with a friend. The pair would be accompanied by Gail, who would arrange for a babysitter to come and watch Leoni from ten thirty PM. The told, Lois. Usually a sound sleeper. Often resting quietly throughout the night. Gail cooked her door to dinner go Leoni into her pajamas and by nine pm she was in a deep sleep after a busy day taking in the refreshing Sia. Ten o'clock rolled around and gallant and her daughter Nikki will looking forward to going to the disco. There was still half an hour until the babysitter was due to arrive. She was staying in the caravan next tool. A new GAL is she was a resident of the refuge to. Gal. Later said it's another woman was staying in a caravan opposite was also going to keep an eye out. Leonis mother then made a decision that would impact the rest of her life. She decided to take a chance and leave Leoni sleeping align. Gal she locked the door off the she left. The baby sitter arrived light sometime around eleven pm. Entered the unlocked caravan. She noted Leoni was not there. She made the assumption that Leonie's mother had changed his mind and decided to take her daughter with. The baby sitter left and a twelve thirty am gallon Nikki returned to an empty and and looked caravan. Couple of hours later after a frantic search with Leoni still missing. The police were called in. At first, they thought the total had unlocked the door and left the caravan to find her mother and sister. Maybe, a kindly holiday maker had taken her in until morning. But she was nowhere to be found. After hours of searching. It was apparent that Leonie was not at the Caravan Park. Nine clues as to where the child might be your uncovered. So subsequent search of the see-sawed was carried out. Offices were of the opinion that Juta young age. Leoni could not last more than forty eight hours on her on. A loudspeaker speaker announcement was broadcast by detective Chief Superintendent Raja Sandal at the Yarmouth races appealing to the hundreds of attendees at the horse racing venue on the Norfolk coast to join the search for the missing three-year-old. A helicopter could be heard overhead carrying out an aerial search of the coastline and Caravan. Park won't two lifeboats true the water. The mood of the holiday makers quickly shifted from what was a cheerful and carefree atmosphere following the arrival of over fifty offices searching for Leoni long with a specialist team that employed the use of several sniffer dogs. Police. Considered if the bright lights of the amusement arcade on the had attracted the Shell to wonder in that direction. Sach was carried out on questions harassed. But no one had seen the three-year-old. Several days passed. Gayle Keating appeal for her daughter Safer Turn to press conference. Afraid of anything she would have made straight for the life definitely on people and she was cold defined on someone's car rental. I didn't know young boys always take an interest in the she has been chanting. Attitude about teaming. Even, where I live. Over senior. Businessmen at thousands of pounds for inflammation. In three hundred holidaymakers joined the search for the toddler don seen in pajamas. Align was formed near the Seashore Caravan Park. The public help scour every inch of the beaching case Leoni had wandered off in the direction of the sea and got in trouble. Subsequently being washed up on the sand. She wasn't found on that stretch of beach. Body was discovered in water. My sixty miles away around baltin mills village in West Suffolk next to the a eleven road. The scene was located beside a popular picnic site close to a large roundabout beyond some prickly Bush's. Four days after Leoni had disappeared a pair of locals out for a walk stumbled upon the body of a small child bloating in a murky drainage canal which led to the river Lark. The total is hands were tied behind her back with yellow washing line. And she was wearing only a light blue. Pajama top. Leonie had no hope of saving herself once in the water. Following the discovery a police spokesman issued a statement. We have no idea how long the body had been in the water. having said that we would not appeal to anybody who is visited the picnic site, all the immediate area but he failed at night may be able to help up leasing cars to get in contact with us at the incident room at Milroy playstation playstation. Peonies. Body was taken to the mortuary at West Suffolk Hospital. The postmortem found that the three-year-old drowned my slide clearly on Saturday morning a few hours after she was taken. Even, more horrifying. That was evidence of a severe. Sexual. Assault. People living in the area have reacted with shock to the news of Leonis brutal death in a nearby pub. Locals couldn't contain their feelings of revenge and bitterness. Warrick. Mitch, to the same epidemic blowing the doors myself just quite a bit older things subsidies coasted honestly. On the quicker to get the person to justice in our think I think. In most people's views on. Most people in the field now because he's Day on the. Veni. Totally shocked. Done. What's the sad thing is this constant when I found these or pay, they're not hard enough with them. That's the trouble with him why they carry on doing it. Got To be sick riveted in with I mean. Investigators got to work immediately at the crunchy. Plaster casts were taken of some shoeprints found in the mud on the bank near the toddler's body. Dive is examined the waters of the muddy canal hoping to find clues particularly the bottom half of Leonis pajamas was still missing. they are Pale, blue. Pajama bottoms naturally to fit a three year old child. they may be on route somewhere between on and boughten mills. They may be at bought mills and that he's wanting, we're conducting a major search area. Have you any idea real? Can you give some indication of the sort of person you're looking for? You're looking for a very callous person he must be to have done this to center. If he might have learned the area. There is a possibility of course, the eleven is a major trunk road. With David Cornell identified his daughter's body. Afterwards he would have to be sedated. Recalling his daughter. To. Set. The only was one in a million cannot be replaced. If she had one fatal flaw. It was she was too friendly. Choose a three year old who acted like a nine year-old. Leonis father spike about his feelings towards the person responsible for his daughter's death. I would like to have thirty minutes alone in a cell with him. David along with other family members plan to stain Great Yarmouth until the Papa tried to had been court. Gale. Found accommodation in a local hotel and was joined by her mother Joyce. He try to comfort a DOTAM. The investigation into a missing person had quickly turned into a murder inquiry. A search by scene of crime offices was underway as they come the waterways nearby picnic sought. A vital piece of evidence was discovered by chance. Two days after Leonis body was found a taxi driver stopped the Goldstein to great yarmouth bypass for a short break. Around Midnight Graham lights put his headlights on and spotted something dark on the ground. When he left the taxi to check lights lighter said he felt ill when he realized it was a small pile blue pair of Pajama bottoms. had been following the case in the news lie to ready knew who they belong to. And called the police. After the discovery offices did use Leoni had been abused in Great Yarmouth, just three and a half miles from the caravan site before she was driven the seventy miles to where she was ultimately killed. Ten days after Leonis mud detective chief Superintendent Eric Shields told the press. The Picnic area was a popular spot for courting couples and he appealed to anyone that was there on that night to come forward. Discretion was guaranteed. DC S Shield set. We want these people to come forward. If there is the slightest chance they might have seen or heard anything unusual that night. On the tonight that they have nothing to fear from our enquiries. We. Don't want to know what they were doing or who they will with. Our only interest is to find Leonis killer before he strikes again. T thousand five hundred calls came flooding in from potential witnesses who was staying at the Caravan Park. Some cool is believed they held a vital clue on new. The murderer police was so desperate to find. Additionally four thousand people flock to the Seashore Caravan Park for a light some holiday when Gail Nikki and Leonie were that. Investigators would determine to question every one of the guests and most of the holiday makers had returned home to all parts of the country and it was a colossal task to try and find the mall. Some useful, information to filter back to investigators. Brown car was seen at the holiday park not far from the caravan wet Gail Nikki and Leonie was staying. But I the press incorrectly reported the vehicle is being Ford. However. The make was in fact Arriva. Offices decided not to correct the newspaper reports as a way to keep the investigators cards close to the chest so as to not spook. Killer. The washing line binding leonis wrists matched the type of line us Dan sold around the caravan park. During talks with holiday makers, detectives unearthed another incident occurred on the evening the three year old was taken. To women staying in a caravan came back to discover someone had forced their way in. A camera and some other items were taken. Soon after a handwritten note was slid under the door. The author claimed to have the camera. He said, he would return it if the women performed a sex act in front of the window. Surprisingly this was not something they agree to, and the fact of their belongings was reported to the like police. Was it coincidence or was it the same person? That's Leoni. Truly after Gayle Keating and Hurrell de two left their accommodation to go out. Some of the holiday makers from three-set per caravans said, they heard a small child crying mummy. Mummy. They cooled hearing it at different times throughout the night into the Leo's. Detective Chief Superintendent Rogers Sandal from the Norfolk police said. Were I had used after eleven pm. More about an hour later. And again, at one, forty, five am. The people who had the cries were in bed. No one was quite sure if the voice was Liam Neeson, one of the many other children holidaying within the grounds is the witnesses was staying in different locations on the sizable park. The television programme BBC brick, first time provided I considerable audience for an appeal. Following the announcement cools came flooding in. Looking through police records, it was initially considered the case May of being linked to an incident that happened three years earlier. Just like Liaoning, a child had been -ducted from a Caravan Park. Instant Tausif collected on sea in Essex. It was reported in this instance, the child was physically unharmed. Polling Co had been snatched from the park where her parents had a holiday caravan by a man she lighted described as quote. Fat. A full description was helpful to officers as they managed to make a photo fit of duct. And seen he had second thoughts about harming pauline by the time he got to Great Yarmouth. In the car he had learned about the child's life. She spoke a love of animals. Surprisingly Herod mission paid to resonate with her captor. Admitted that he wants spur akin to an animal laboratory. When they arrived a great yarmouth he dumped pulled lane tied up and gagged, and so the toilets on a South teens camping site. Two hour drive away from her original destination. Furthermore. There had been an attempted abduction just three months before Leoni was taken at Sign Caravan Park in Great Yarmouth. A fourteen year old was getting ready for bed. At parents were out having a drink in the camps. Club She owns said knock the caravans will. A man initially convinced about her parents had sent him to get her. But she had second thoughts outside when she saw and squirmed data the man's grasp to get away. Now of a, he had a knife and tried to stop the young teenager. bankerly she managed to escape with what was described in the press as minor injuries. She needed four stitches. An in yet another kidnap attempt that month. Woman in huff teas was also attacked the same seashore caravan parking great yarmouth. These two was linked to the other incidents. Detective, Chief Superintendent Derek Shields Head of Norfolk CEO ID working the investigation into Leoni's murder voiced his fears about the number of abductions and attempted abductions that were taking place. There is a waste such a danger at such pass and may strike again. During the time of Leonis abduction. They make is at the Seashore Caravan Park was showing the fighting fit and asked if anyone had seen someone similar the daily Leoni Keating disappeared. Witnesses believe bed seen a man acting suspiciously some said lunchtime. Some in the afternoon. Of as in the evening. And his description and daij varied. Finally feet to five feet, ten inches to sometimes wearing spectacles. The age span from twenty, five to forty five. The man's had parted on the left was wavy and brand, but grain on the site. He was reported to have a moustache and wore a camouflage jacket and a pair of dirty jeans. As the investigation unfolded offices manage to make a further link to the rover car when a witness reported seeing Schultz soaping in the back seat of the Brown vehicle around ten thirty pm on the night Leoni disappeared. In a horrifying coincidence, not even a week after Leoni Keating's abduction on mud. Two of the young children huddle say being killed in raw the high the south London. Seven year old Tina Beach. And a four year old friend Stacy Cavanaugh. While the incident had occurred nearly seventy five miles south from wely only was found. Detective. Chief Superintendent Derek Shield said about the possible link. I have got an open mind on all other cases. There are many other cases you could say could be linked. At they stage, I shall pursue this inquiry. But. Of course I bet those in mind? During that same period six-year-old Lewis also went missing from London just two days off to Leoni on September fifteenth they time from woolworth about four miles away from Tina beach shook and stacy cavernous home. It was understandable parallel loins withdrawn between these two cases by thin the price and within the police investigation. But when the bodies of stacey and then teen were lighter found, the murderer was identified almost instantly. This is a case we will be covering later in this season. Sadly the body of Barry, Lewis was not discovered until December that year. It fool and pray to Sydney Cook. Otherwise, known as Hissing Sid, it was part of a gang of paedophiles. Barry's murder was not linked to the only Keating's however, it was an awful land heartbreaking coincidence that the four young children had lost their lives in that same week. themselves. Mud is an cases of child disappearances in Norfolk were reopened and reexamined to see if there were any apparent links to Leonis mud. One such case was the disappearance of April Fab who went missing on April Eighth Nineteen sixty-nine. The only evidence left behind was the teenage is Boise. Signs of West she went or what happened. At as being over fifty years since her disappearance. And the case. Is Unsolved. Leoni Keating attended a nursery attacked and green primary school. The People's given lessons about the dangers of strangers. Praise fully only were offered in assembly. They young age, some of the children could no comprehend what had happened to their cost might. The parents of other people's are understandably frightened and horrified. Some the parents drew a petition which they plan to submit to a local MP. They wanted the death penalty to be reinstated for cases of shelled mud. A mother in the playground commented. Death may be the only deterrent for beasts the one who killed Lee owning. A. As a search for Leonis killer continued, the case was featured on an episode of BBC's Crimewatch. Gail. was wracked with guilt over leaving Huchon the. She told the Hammersmith and Shepherd's Bush. Gazette in the five weeks since her daughter's murder. Some of the tabloids had falsely reported on her actions during the nights Leoni went missing. Gal said once Hob Lloyd kind that she was gone LSD the knighthood child was murdered as she left the caravan without arranging babysit. And that she dropped Nikki of somewhere else. So she could bring a man back. Their allies, the lots of people that can back me up gail set. Leoni was fostered asleep and I thought the babysits would come back any minute. Cal went on to talk about how in the past she had never left. Leoni on her. It was the only time I left Leoni alone. Clearly of always being the one to say children should never be left alone. Usually, never took my oil flee only. This is something I will never forgive myself for. I will never get aren't A month light of the women's refuge where Gail and nicky was still living was broken into. Cows belongings were rifled through. And the thieves took some unnamed checks amounting to two thousand pounds The bereaved mother told the press. I'm very upset. About money was for the funeral and to get me in Nikki started again. As people across the country slightly heard the news of the theft while wishes sent funds to help. Luckily, most of the stolen checks was stumped before they could be cashed. Minus four hundred pounds. Own. Unexpectedly two months after Leonis mud. Newspaper reports confirmed on November. Twenty third. Suspect was being questioned. Twenty seven year old man from. Bedford was eventually charged and appeared at Mildenhall Magistrates Court in Suffolk two days light. Is the police fan pulled up with the suspect inside a group of people wanted outside angry poised ready to throw eggs at the VIC. Gary Hope was charged with Leonie Keating's mad. Your thirties were permitted to keep hopkins in custody until the trial. Until to light a court appearance, you'll save face further charges relating to the abduction and attempted abduction at the holiday parks in Essex and Great Yom. Despite the pouring rain in early December the angry crowds that would usually gather before Hopkins appeared in court had grown to fifty people. Wanting to catch a glimpse of the man responsible. Hawkins a good local knowledge of Yarmouth. He'd holiday did the show campaign one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three people who know Hopkins remember him as unpopular and Alona who went out of his way not to talk to people his millman Wayne. Lock says some people even nicknamed him guts never spoked he was. Very happy person. It was a miserable person known home with him. There's about four flats up there. No one. going. To. Leoni Keating's funeral service was held in great yarmouth on December Nineteenth Nineteen ninety-five the Church of Saint Nicholas, who was the patron saint of children. Leoni system Nikola was in tears went on Jia data mother for leaving Leoni alone. And for wearing red shoes to the funeral. The small white coffin with a beautiful teddy bear created from tiny yellow flowers was the focal point of the front of the service. Reverend Richard Arlington Smith addressed the two hundred mourners that did not include Leonis father. Not even a week before Christmas, the Reverend Poignantly said. Listen Nicotiana on our banner seems a Roth a sat. Santa. And when you think about all the terrible things that have happened to children in recent months. And he has every reason to be set. This is this'll goals socialization Jarvis very sad. That I feel that. So we we need to pay the point of view if the church part of the town, a attribute to her because I think one of the great things that needs to come out for this is the tremendous value of human life, the life of a little girl, which so want it away with. it became too much regale Keating. Collapsed on the way to the crematorium. Gary Alec Hopkins Born in Romford Essex in nineteen, fifty, six counties childhood difficult. He had epilepsy and suffered from claustrophobia. nope. Kim's had trouble making friends. So he spent a lot of time with his grandmother who owned a Caravan Instant Tausif in Essex where polling co was later abducted. As a boy, he caused some concern at the holiday park when he would stay three the white windows of the static caravans and into running voided when people around to steal valuables lie cash in cigarettes. When Hopkins was a fourteen year old school student in which suffolk he was apprehended for exposing himself to girls. As the is past working life did not come easily to hopkins either. He struggled to read and write. The twenty four Hopkins started but did not complete to six month nurses training course. When he gets a job as a cook on a merchant nervy ship some thought it might just be the thing he needed. But the position wasn't last and he jumped ship because he couldn't tolerate the confined space of the bite. In September nineteen ninety-three he pleaded guilty to burglary at Norwich Crown Court and was convicted at a further trow lighting to the same charges he received twelve months and eighteen months respectively. The any evidence was an oral confession. He had made regarding the burglary of a club above a Bingo Holand amusement arcade where he worked as a Binga cold. Is Conviction was appealed the royal courts of justice. Me Arguments have a coerced confession was dismissed by three high. Court. Judges Hopkins. Council had suggested his client had been oppressed while in police custody. Oh climb that he was kept small into fever. Could not breath and started to panic. Moreover he fainted wall in the holes of the prison. Hope Kim was released less than a year into his sentence. His time in a small prison cell did not pass quickly. Nineteen ninety five, he was living with his partner and ha two children on seven way in Bedford. Gary Hopkins had been questioned by Bedford phychi detective constable poll right. Would only recently become a member of the C. ID after permission from the traffic police. The young officer like hundreds of other members of the police force around the country were asked to routinely question patty thieves but typically cat burglars during the investigation. Kim's nine came up on DC rights. List. His name had been mentioned by Norfolk detective constable P to wash. Won't should arrested hope skains in connection with his past burglary charges and was aware he had been apprehended for exposing himself. So raised Hopkins name with the investigating team. During questioning. The answers to the repeated queries. Hopkins was being asked by D. C. Right concerning Leonis disappearance kept changing. Furthermore the man in front of the Detective Constable Board. UNCANNY resemblance to the fighter fit. The detective asked Hopkins if he had ever bean to the Seashore Caravan Park and Great Yarmouth. Tokens. First response was that he hadn't. quit and could not sit still. DC right task again. It's time was fun at this time. Out Kim's then acknowledged that he had, and before long he was admitting that he was there during the period in which Leoni was abducted. At, first when asked Gary Hopkins said the tea did not have a car. However when questioned further, it was revealed he had disposed of his Brown Rove Motor vehicle a few days early. Kim was placed under surveillance and intern. A search warrant was action before Gary Hopkins was arrested on suspicion of murdering Leoni. Keating? Detective constable writes he was a father to a daughter just two years old van Leoni. was modest went asked about the capture of her suspected killer. He said something didn't Gel. If. I hadn't have checked him out like that. He would have been caught eventually. But this made it sooner rather than later. An undeveloped roll of film was discovered among Hopkins Belongings. Once processed the images showed the picnic software Leonis boaty had been left. Hopkins finally admitted to her abduction and sexual assault. However, he was adamant that he did not commit mud. He claimed the used one of his keys to get into the caravan without knowing the three year old was there. The light was on. The only was up and out of bed. Hopkins said he could not remember much else. The trial was held at Ipswich Crown Court June one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six. Additional security was employees to cope with the angry crowds outside. One man stood beside a spray painted signed with the woods hanging shit sprayed across it. Gary Hope Canes was tightly facing charges relating to the mudder of Leonie Keating but for the abduction of polling Kyw from an Ethics Caravan site. And the attempted abduction of a fourteen year old. When Hopkins was asked how he pleaded? He, admitted to abducting Leoni. But denied murdering her. New. Before, the trial was even underway. Gary Hopkins. Counties head in his. Hands. Then after being offered water, he collapsed and crumpled in the Doak, only an hour and a half into the proceedings. To cut off the prosecutor Michael Hill showed the jury photographs of the location where three-year-old Leoni was left. Hopkins appeared to be out called. It took three quarter officials to get him up off the floor and put him in his seat. It took over twenty minutes to bring him. Round. Out Kim's call was loosened. and water splashed on his face. The entire cooled sat whiting more. Would come to light while he was in police custody. Gary Hopkins admitted to abducting sexually assaulting and tying up leonis hands with washing. Line. You refuse to accept he killed her. Instead saying that she was still conscious when he left the scene. Now, of the investigation had found an issue with Hopkins claim, he left Leoni alive. He said he left in a woodland nearby. When trying to reconstruct the child's movements detectives found it almost impossible for the. Three zero to get through the thick thorny bushes in front of the waterway she was found. Oh concetti it lifted how're over a fence when they arrived at the picnic spot? Then carried huts of the woodland nearby. He was asked if Leoni was screaming. Pumpkin said. Yes I. Put my hand over her mouth. A took her into the trees. Now far. Just a bit. In the interview he claimed he wasn't aware of the water nearby because of the darkness. You Win zone to tell the officer. Choose, crying and still tied up when I ran away. Reverse staff to the ride neely Laurie. I was in such a panic. A countdown off to that. took. Before the jury tips which Crown Court Prosecutor Michael Hill debunked Hopkins claims that he didn't put Leoni in the water. The prosecutor to set. The condition of her legs showed, she did not get her feet before stumbling through the forest unfolding down the riverbank into the water. The truth is that this man threw her into the water wall she was tied. She drowned because of his deliberate actions. Leonie's mother gail sat a few feet behind the accused throughout the trial. And at some point, she couldn't be in the same brim. Fleeing the court in tears. The trawl was sure to just three days and jurors we unanimous in their decision on each of the charges. Gary Alec Hopkins was handed a total of four life sentences and a minimum term of two and a half decades. The judge Mr Justice Man told Hopkins he would most likely die behind bars. Both. Leonis. Attended the trial but Gayle Keating and David Cornell made no contact with one another. Cornell was extremely vocal in the press speaking about both his daughter and his form upon. He told the Daily Express. She was a beautiful child. Out of this world, but my wife Gal was always leaving how relying. Too lenient as a mother whatever the children wanted to do was right with She went out the nightly only vanished because another daughter wanted to go to a club. And I'm believed there was a baby sitter at night. If there was why would gail look the Caravan Dole? Husband David Cornell has. Laid the blame on new partly for Leonese death. How'd you feel about that accusation? Quite honestly. I Don't concern myself with that Hispanic take mistake. Stu since of Gilts now about having. Car. I feel guilty us but. I also feel as I've said many times that. There were hundreds of other children that come side who left to learn. And I'm sure that every mother then must have thought. That could have been my child. And also said before I didn't kill him. Gal Stepfather wanted to offer sympathy to a mother who had lost a child. said. Gail was a good mother. There was plenty of love and affection. But I'm blame her for won't? Happen. Even. In the old days I remember my father and mother used to leave me sometimes. So awful. The worst happen this time. Gale would never normally leave Leoni align. Even when she came around here. She wouldn't let her run up the stats outside. Recalling the three year old, he said. Leoni. Was a beautiful kit. She could be a stubborn little devil and if he told her to do something, she wouldn't do it. But I love to. Walk. Following the trial. Gary help younger brother Wine expressed the opinion that there was no love lost between them saying. Wouldn't be surprised if someone in the family ton team into the police. We all knew what he was like. He was always his granny's fight for it. But even she realized in the end. Janet. Hopkins stood by her partner even after the trial where Hopkins confessed to sexually assaulting three three-year-old and was convicted of the same shells mud. The mother of two shockingly said. It would be wonderful to Mike Love. Or even spend a few days together wall he's in prison. But if not. Would like to have his baby through artificial insemination. After serving eight years, the minimum time Gary Hawkins would have to spend in prison before being considered for parole was increased by the Home Secretary. Hopkins would have to serve another five years. So where are we now? Gal Keating and her daughter Nikola left the refuge. Finding a home in Battersea. Ferry very grateful to the police Phil, what they've done. Effort. They put into it, which was terrific. and. The fact that he can't hurt anyone ever again. How do you feel about Gary Hawkins himself I can't really answer that. It's not an easy thing. I feel very bitter. Obviously. Gary Hopkins who had since changed his Themes appealed his minimum term of thirty years following the increase in the mid nineties. On. August. First two, thousand night. then. Fifty wrote pleaded his case before. London's High Court. You'd been in prison for twenty three years including time on remand. skains lawyers told Mr Justice field but that clients have made such good progress behind boss should be reduced. But the judge responded to this argument by saying. After a start. He's done very well education. He has a High Q.. However in my judgment, his conduct in prison has not been sufficiently exceptional to justify reduction in what would otherwise be the appropriate minimum Tom. SKAINS defense team also try to assert the to recently discovered diagnosis as hot part to play in the crimes. The judge responded to this point by saying. The application raises the argument that during the time of the mud, he may have been suffering from asperger's syndrome. If. He were these would not mitigate the she eve lan cruelty of the mud. The applicant was fit to played and did not fall within either of the rules, governing plays, of insanity. Furthermore there is nothing to suggest that asperger's syndrome woody given the applicant defense based on diminished responsibility. Gary. Hope KUENZ appeal was rejected by Mr Justice field. And the judge believed the sentence was fully justified. Hope or Xavi themes was eligible to apply for parole in two thousand and sixteen. Current whereabouts around nine. Thank you for listening. Special. Thanks to our new Patriot producer, nick, Evans and everyone who support us on Patriots. The more information on this episode. Please see the show notes or visit our website. They walk among US PODCAST DOT COM.

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