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LaLaurie Mansion

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LaLaurie Mansion

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Every Thursday hostage tells the complicated stories behind the world's most intense hostage situations search for and subscribe to hostage wherever you listen to podcasts. This episode of haunted places contains particularly disturbing and sensitive material, including discussion of torture slavery. And suicide caution is advised particularly for listeners underage thirteen. Pale clear move cast light on the heads and shoulders of dozens of revellers trawling, the French quarter hurricanes in hand their heels clicked us to cut a rhythm on the cobblestones, adding their own per Cussing signature to the brassy New Orleans jazz, spilling out at the nightclubs inside eleven forty Royal St. however, Jamie couldn't hear any of it. The sounds of joy outside became fainter. The further they intruded into the house swallowed by thick oak doors and heavy to mass curtains Jamie, a friend of the mansions latest owners had volunteered to help with their move. The owners were doctors, and if truth be told incorrigible history buffs Jamie's night had been spent packing. The doctors collection of antique medical texts and journals the scent of cigar. Smokes apprised her the doctors didn't smoke, and she thought she was the last friend left finishing up the room she'd committed to but she noticed too light in a room down the hall and rose to investigate in the sitting room standing behind the doctors prized antique walnut bar cart. Jamie saw tall man in an old fashioned evening coat. The man was puffing. What looked like a hand-rolled cigar while pouring himself a drink. Jamie calls out to him, but the Matichon order Jamie always had a bit of a short fuse. It was one of her weaknesses and being ignored made. Her furious angrily, Jamie crossed the room and shoved the wheeled bar side. Jamie had planned to snatch the cigar right out of a man's mouth. But what she saw major stop short as the bar, ROY. Old away revealing the man's waste. She was horrified to realize there were no legs or feet beneath it. The smoking man's body ended in a sort of a wispy Hayes fading impossibly into the pattern wallpaper behind him. The man met her gaze at winked. Welcome to haunted places on the park cast network. I'm Greg Poulsen every Thursday, I take you. To the scariest year is most haunted real places on earth this week. Join me on a deep dark journey to the Laurie mansion where some of the most brutal and shameful acts in history occurred. Some call it the most haunted house in America, some call it's mistress. The most prolific female serial killer of all time to this day. It's haunted. At park cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do it. We love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at park cast and Twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help we also now have merchandise. Head depar- cast dot com slash merch. For more information, listen to more episodes of haunted places as well. As par casts. Other podcasts on your favorite podcast directory. The Laurie mansion takes its name from its most famous residents. Marie del phen- McCarty Lori and her third husband, Dr Leonard Laurie. I married at age fourteen Madame Delphine, Lori was twice a widow and a mother to five children by the time. She married Dr Lori in eighteen twenty five made vastly wealthy by your previous husband's untimely, ends Delfin quickly established yourself and Leonard as part of the elite New Orleans money society. In eighteen thirty one dolphin used her wealth to buy the unfinished mansion that eleven forty Royal street in the French quarter of New Orleans. She inter family moved into the square gray mansion in eighteen thirty two. Delfi threw herself into decorating the home with no expense spared every piece of artwork. Every item of furniture had to be of the highest quality soon. The lorry mansion was born and on its way to being infamous. Inside tucked away from the street. The mansion was not a home, but a torture chamber. There was only one way for those enslaved to escape Madam Laurie. They said no one had been looking up when the man fell from the third story of the Laurie mansion apparently no-one outside could say if he jumped or was pushed, but Leah heard the yelps in a tone. She knew much too well for her twelve years of age the man had made a mistake and the Madame had no tolerance from stakes mistakes were punished bones broken and reset at or angles mouth is filled with excrement and then sewn up bodies caged birds forced to watch other servants tortured to death. It did not do to displease Madame Delphine. That was what the Madame tilt them a warning as the enslaved women drew warm baths to wash away the blood of their companions as for her husband. He could not care less. Content to smoke a cigar while his wife was occupied outside they shouted for doctor gossip like schoolgirls inside they prayed to God. And whispered in fear from the slaves quarters to the parlour was much talk of the man who threw himself out the window on the third floor, dashing, his brains out on Royal street. Some said he committed suicide the Lori said he hit an accident. Leah said quietly to herself at night, he was free. But the lorries told their version loudest Leah's masters were always having parties acting as if there's was a peaceful home to show how committed they were to the safety of those. They enslaved they cemented over the window. The man had fallen from as if there weren't ten other street facing windows on that same floor. When called into the dressing room Leah did as she was told. She picked up the boar bristle brush and began to brush, her mistress's hair extra gently Madame Delphine was quiet and calm now. Leeann new this afternoon, she should be safe. She returned to her quiet thoughts of a man flying free. She continued brushing the woman, silky, stick straight hair. She was nearly done when she pulled an unexpected snarl the madams head jerked backward. Delfi yelped in the same tone as the man who jumped out the window. Leo was already running. She rounded the corner praying. She could put distance between herself. And the whip Madame Delphine kept on the table. She ran past Dr Lori who blew a smoke ring as if to hide Leah from his vision. Lia fled to the nearest window in tending to climb out. She pushed it, but it was stuck. She ran farther past the cemented window and onto another. She tried to fling it open. But it was lodged shut stuck the next window. Also stuck the Madame closer and closer the windows. Stuck Leah feet. From a whip a window. Stuck Leah abandoned the windows and ran upstairs, she wouldn't allow the Madam to cater Leah turned. Right and headed to the roof barreling outside. Leah was faced with a choice behind. Her was Madame del Fien raging and snapping her long whip swearing to beat her senseless in front of her was a four story drop. Lia chose to be free. In eighteen thirty three witnesses saw del Fien attempting to bury Leah's mangled body in a shallow grave in the corner for property this time, at least it looked like the slave who lost their life might have some Justice. The police notified by neighbors. Find Delfin three hundred dollars as punishment and made her sell her nine slaves the police failed however to prevent the Laurie from enlisting her relatives to buy the slaves back for her. There was no Justice for Lia or the unknown man who jumped before her Leah wasn't content with a pitiful attempt at Justice she received and she would make her displeasure. No. Her ghost haunts the mansion to this day. A little girl beckoning visitors to the rooftop to freedom, but she's not alone. 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The voodoo Queen of New Orleans to ensure the next child would be a boy the young parents chameleon Louis Matthews breathe size every leaf when Marie Lebowa agreed to perform the rituals to ensure a male heir. But marine knew more than she led on about Louis and Camille when Lewis asked her to provide him with the sun, she had to keep a smirk from her face one didn't earn the title voodoo Queen without knowing everything that went on in her city, even what went on in the tiniest. Didn't she is sharecropper shacks on the plantations lining? The Mississippi River. For example, the shack on the Matthews plantation where two year old MAURICE lived. His brothers and sisters were polite refraining from commenting on how little MAURICE was oddly light skinned, and they refrained from spreading the word that after drinking Lewis would often appear at the door of the shack or little MAURICE lived and Camille ever soft hearted would frequently stop by with toys or clothing for the boy Marie lavar didn't take kindly to liars and secret keepers, the voodoo Queen could have made a living zombie of Lewis with a single potion and here he was asking for a male heir when there was a male child with his is living just on the edge of his property. Marie would give Lewis and air. All right, son as he had requested. And she would let him live to regret it. She kept her face grim. As her snake slid over Comey's body wriggling under clothes, and in her hair. Lewis was properly scared. The snake wasn't poisonous. But he didn't need to know that when the ritual was complete Marie left at terrified Lewis to inspect his wife for snake bites. She'd be in danger of she would start bleeding for me warned him. Nine months later. She was called to their home again to help bring forward the male heir Louis deserved. When Marie arrived Camille water had already broken Camille labored long with their son Marie tended to her with care, wiping her bra with a wet rag soaked in a potent concoction of herbs finally after far too, many hours of labor the baby emerged in a pool of blood Marie wiped it out of the infant's mouth while his ignorant. Father exclaimed with joy, I have a son. Camille, continued to bleed through the night soaking through all the towels placed under her pelvis a doctor was called he fought to save her hemorrhaging body until the small hours of the morning as the blood red sun rose over the delta Camille took her last breaths. Marie lavar did what she could to make the young mothers exit from the mortal world, painless Camille wasn't blameless in her husband's dishonesty. But neither was she the voodoo Queen centimeters. That designation was reserved for the liar Lewis whose torments would be far greater. Lewis's nightmare began that very morning when he finally turned his attention from his dying wife to newborn son in the dawn light Lewis saw his son's face clearly for the first time. The rusty tint of his skin the types of vir- on his body. The two bumps on skull tiny horns coming to needle sharp points like two fangs from a snake? Now, Louis new y Camille couldn't stop bleeding refusing to even look at the point Louis ordered a servant to pack the baby in a bassinet and give him to the Queen. His parting words to Marie Lavoro, or I don't care what you do at that devil child Salang as I never see him again. Those were the last lucid words Louis effort spoke driven mad by grief and raving about how his newborn son was evil and carnet he was quickly committed to a sanatorium in New Orleans. Exactly as Marie had planned. She knew exactly who would want the baby Marie walk from Lewis plantation, baby. On her hip all the way to the foreboding Lory mansion in the French quarter. Madam Laurie and Maria VO had an uneasy relationship to such strong personalities were a poor fit as friends but on the spring day when Maria VO appeared at the Laurie match and the orphan baby Madame Delfi in the Laurie was delighted to receive her Madam Laurie had been experimenting with a little voodoo of her own raising. This child was the natural next step. The two women agreed to share responsibility. Marinela VO would formally adopt. The boy, but LA Laurie would keep him and nurse him at her breast. The baby's presence in the opulent. Laurie match wasn't open secret any serve into dared to mention his unholy appearance was swiftly dealt with and any neighbor who gossiped about the child lost their coveted place in the lorries, social circle nevertheless, rumors spread around New Orleans that the two women were using the child in rituals to summon Satan himself. The child grew his screams like nothing ever heard from an earthly infant got louder and louder eventually becoming enough to set every dog in the French quarter to howling each night. The screams infected both women's homes spreading misfortune like our rot in Maria. Vos? Household simple. Love potion turn to poison. For three days. The woman who drank it spoke only visions of infinite darkness and suffering on the fourth day. She expired in marines arms. The next day. Madam Laurie summoned Marie to her mansion. Her eyes were baggy her hair rumpled over mint juleps, Madame explains she could no longer keep the wailing demon child. It had killed and eaten one of her slaves. Madam Lori said with a yawn, and it's endless cries were upsetting. The neighbours Murray was unsure if this was true. Yes. Screams, and cries emitted from the Laurie mansion, no one could deny that. But Marie suspected that Madame had merely taken her tortured too, far and killed someone herself the cries coming from the second floor at this moment could be as have enslaved children. Marie had a feeling that in her later years. Madam Laurie lack the energy to stay up all night with the child, but Madame assisted she'd had enough of do and needed Marie to take the child back permanently. She led Marie to the nursery. Marie didn't want the blood on her hands not directly, but she had no home to give the child either. When Madame left Marie some her favorite snake, a boa constrictor walking in circles counterclockwise. She wound the snake around the cradle. Then she bid Delfin goodbye. The next morning Marie returned to pick up her snake. But instead of the familiar hissing, she heard a baby's coup its horns were stained with blood the child had killed her snake skinning, it entirely and using the skull rattle. They'd have to dispose of the demon another way. At midnight. Marie and Madame Laurie entered Saint Louis cemetery. Marie brought a shovel Madam the baby and a small black hatbox. It took less than ten minutes to bury the thing a lie. With that the demonic wailing finally stopped Marie felt that tension and the rotten lift from her spirit and her household the pair walked home splitting up at urban street. But as Marie walked she heard something. A subtle. Marie ran the rest of the way home. After the burial. No one ever heard the devil baby of bourbon Street Cry again. But every so often Marie saw slithering flash in the corner ver I she pretended. She didn't notice the large snake following her with its unstable bloody horns. In the late eighteen hundreds residents of New Orleans fashioned devil baby dolls made from gourds hanging them on the windows and setting them on their doorsteps, supposedly the devil, baby. Dolls would save them from the real devil baby and his food who curse however by the early twentieth century, a new legend had started the very dolls that were supposed to protect their owners were themselves cursed. Up next a woman summons the strength to fight back against Madam Laurie. In late October nineteen sixty seven a young naval Lieutenant prepared for his twenty third mission over North Vietnam. His strike operator told him to be careful as he boarded the four east guy hawk dive bomber the young Lieutenant assured a superior that he'd be fine. But he wouldn't be John McCain ejected from his playing after a surface to air missile sheared off his right wing. He landed in a lake he broke his right leg left, arm and right arm in three places, the North Vietnamese would then take John McCain hostage. He would be subjected to malnutrition, beatings and torture through sheer willpower and determination, John McCain, endured, what would have killed most soldiers. He was finally granted unconditional release and was allowed to return home to the United States to be with his family. But John McCain refused and would be held hostage for four and a half more years. Years. If Thursday hostage tells the complicated stories behind the world's most intense ausage situations, highlighting the moments where things went tragically wrong as well. As techniques that miraculously saved lives. Search for instance, -cribe to hostage wherever you listen to podcasts. Now back to the story. The lorries marriage was not a happy one and Madame Delphine took her marital frustrations out on the people in slaved in her house and her plantation over time Delfi grew more and more mentally unstable. Her moods shifted rapidly her own children and husband didn't want to be around. Her paranoia consumed her. She refused to feed the enslaved people working for her believing that they would be more obedient. If they were hungry and the irony of cooking, lavish meals for the Laurie dinner. Parties was not lost ten the starving people. They enslaved. Born April night in eighteen thirty four Delfi was throwing another one of her marvellous parties champagne in hand, she toasted the elite of New Orleans the very same people who gossip Dell fiends habits behind her back smiled up at her and raised their classes, despite the charming company and party atmosphere. They'll Fien couldn't help but feel a sense of overwhelming doom excusing herself from her guests. She made her way to the kitchen. But as she rounded the corner, she saw small white hands snatching fried oysters from the silver platters prepared for the guests. But the oyster didn't go into Delfi daughters. Mouths, they went into their pockets. The girls looked up their mother feigning innocence, white hot rage welled up within Delfin. This wasn't the first time. Her daughters had stolen from her. This was supposed to be a happy night. But here her two youngest daughters behaving like nasty slave loving feeds. She commanded them to turn out their pockets and fried oysters Bill to the floor. The slaves were so hungry the little girls cried. And there was so many oysters delcine stumped her heel over the food grinding it into the floor. Then she smacked them each across the face Delfi rated them. That's only at taste of what you'd get. If you fed my guest food to the slaves up their strength, and they'll murder the both of you in your beds, and me to would you really kill your own mother as they whimpered she recalled that they were only children the true criminal was the cook. Who allowed this to happen? This. Woman meant to start a rebellion. So Delfi made her daughters watch as she did the proper recourse and change her enslaved cook to the stove. She told the cook she could expect to spend the rest of her life. Here dragging the short chain between pantry and stove cooking. But never eating. After the monstrous Madame left the kitchen and went up to bed the cookley awake on the kitchen floor. She had spent seventy years working for cruel masters. But now, she couldn't even walk the ten steps across the kitchen to look out a window as she felt cold kitchen tiles, heart against her aging bones. The cook realized there was one freedom that Madam Laurie could never take from her. As dawn broke. She struck a match. She felt no fear that she watched the fire began to catch first firewood, then on the wooden beams of the kitchen walls themselves. The cook had lived in the Laurie mansion long enough to know several fates worse than death. On April tenth eighteen thirty four. The Laurie family woke to the scent of smoke. They ran screaming to salvage their favorite possessions from the fire as the fire raged. The neighbors gathered outside the small crowd soon became a mob. As the neighbors realized the lorries were leaving their slaves to burn judge cannot a local magistrate was woken by the noise. He ran downstairs and was a costed by infuriated neighbors who begged him to intervene. The judge politely asked Dr Lori to unlock the slave quarters. So that neighbors could rescue slaves Dr Lori bat in the judges face and ordered him to mind his own business. Judge cannot gave the order to break down the door strongmen batter. The door the slave quarters until a gateway when it did. And so they burst into a scene so horrific it made the newspapers across America local newspaper at the be reported the rescuers found quote, seven slaves more or less horribly mutilated suspended by the neck with their limbs stretched and torn from one extremity to the other and quote. Rescuers lifted the torture victims on their shoulders and brought them out of the slave quarters removing them to city hall, where newspaper editors were invited to examine them. Reporters observed the dismal condition of the men and women laying moaning on the floor of city hall every soul present was covered with scars from being beaten relentlessly with whips. Several wore iron collars with spikes facing inward, which would impale them if they lay down to sleep all were painfully thin with distended bellies reminiscent of famine victims abroad. One poor man had a hole drilled into a skull. It wasn't recorded. How long the whole had been there? But it was reported that it wasn't dusted with maggots eating away at the living man's brain. When word of the lorries crimes spread across the city, an angry mob approach to tear down what remained of the mansion? The Laurie mansion was ransacked from top to bottom dill Fien sections had publicly exposed the well known but little discussed dark side of high society indoor monds, and now it could no longer be ignored. But Madame Dr Lori were warned about the mob coming for them by the time. Anyone went looking for them. But couple were on a steamship bound for Europe. Madam Laurie is believed to have lived out the rest of her life in Paris. And despite the fire and the mob the house remained standing. If Madame Laurie header way death would have brought her eternal peace, but in the dark and mystical New Orleans, a murderous like Madam Laurie cannot expect death to bring release from pain to this day. She remains chained to the scene of crimes as tightly as she wants chained to remain. She aided seventy year old cook. To the stow, the ballast rods and galleries she so adored in life have become the walls of her prison. If you pass by the mansion on a moon Lewis night, you may see a light on in the attic and spot a woman's face peering longingly toward a street. She will never walk again. For husband, Dr Leonard Laurie has also been spotted in the house always full tales smoking, his telltale cigar careless to his wife's not Tross ities with these coasts and others in house. The mansion continued to be the site of tragedy. No matter how many new owners attempted to renovate it. The year was eighteen eighty two and fourteen year old Victoria, couldn't be happier. It's her parents had finally agreed to enroll her in the prestigious new conservatory for music and dancing operated, by an English woman who's tutelage attracted the finest families in New Orleans. The conservatory was housed in an old mansion in the French quarter located at eleven forty Royal street. One formerly owned by the notorious Madam Laurie. Victoria's brother Greg or had laughed at her for wanting to study violin at the Laurie mansion everyone knows he had said it's cursed or haunted or both. She fired back reminded our brother that all the best families were sending their girls. There would they be doing that? If it was haunted. To ensure a positive first impression Victoria arrived early to her assign classroom and found she was the first one there. It was a cavernous space that had once been a dining back when Madame Delfi the Lory lived there. All alone in this huge room, the Toya suddenly felt very small. It was darker than she expected. She had never been very comfortable alone ever since she was a small girl to banish her nerves. She began to warm up her. In the big empty room. The toria thought the strange sound was an echo of her playing. But when she paused her bow it continued. It seemed to be getting closer. But in the dim room Victorian could see nothing. Her pulse. Began to race. She told yourself. It must be somebody moving furniture in the next room or perhaps a dancer with squeaky shoes. She ran to the door to look. But there was nobody in the hall and from that vantage point, she could clearly hear the noise was coming from behind her Victoria struggled to contain her nerves. How could she be this unsettled by a little noise? The teacher would be there any minute. She was sure of it. Then she heard the child. Victoria, spun around and saw small thin black girl in a blue cotton. Dress facing the rear wall at the classroom. The girls hair was tightly braided and her arms moved methodically. She polished silver pitcher, I was relieved perhaps this was the daughter of teacher or of a servant in the schools kitchen. The girl cried softly as she worked. Of course, Victoria wanted to comfort the girl she called out her. But there was no reply. The child was engrossed in her chore. Entertainers, Victoria, protest, the little girl and reached out to tapper small shoulder, but the girl ran from Victoria, dashing across the room to adore and there we are the classroom the door opened onto a wrought iron fire escape and the girl dashed up at breakneck speed toward the roof, victorious, heart clotted or throat still clutching her violin in one hand. Victoria chased the child upstairs as she reached the rooftop Tori saw the little girl at the very edge of the roof. Wait, she shouted. It's not safe. Come back. Victoria could hear the little girl weeping from across. Who've she carefully tiptoed toward her. She wanted to comfort her, but was wary of frightening. Just as Toyo reached the corner of the roof but child turn to face, Victoria, were her nose. Should be was only a bloody hollow bid suffer orbital bones protruded from her forehead one nine dangled grotesquely from her skull. She opened her arms and leaned forward to embrace, Victoria. The toria reflexively backed away from the bloody arms her foot slipped. Her arms flailed at her violent flew into the air. She tumbled from the rooftop. Victoria's parents were told she committed suicide outta things ICTY about performing for her new renowned teacher, but Gregoire Victoria's brother knew better than to believe the coroner's report. He had heard the stories of people falling from the upper reaches of the Laurie mansion he had heard of twelve year old Leah who one day made the mistake of yank nece snarl while brushing, Madame Laurie's hair. He knew she was only one of the many ghosts who had been enslaved at the Laurie mansion. We can only guess at how many of the disturbing incidents at the school where Leah's work many could be pinned on the Madame taking out her eternal rage or at the doctor turning a blind. I'd tragedy or the devil baby of bourbon street bringing bad luck to all inhabitants. But we do know that each of the three times someone has tried to turn the Laurie mansion into a school tragedy. Soon followed in fact, each and every incarnation of the mansion as a commercial enterprise has failed in dramatic fashion from criminal allegations to sudden bankruptcy. It's seen ruin has a bar of furniture store and an apartment complex shortly after buying the Laurie match and in two thousand seven act. Her nNcholas cage based financial devastation and lost the property to foreclosure, many say the mansion is cursed after all since Madam Laurie. No one has been able to maintain a residence in the mansion for more than five years. Perhaps it's best to let the mansion stand empty as a reminder of the culture of cruelty that lay beneath the glitz glamour of at to Belem New Orleans. Thanks again for tuning into haunted places. We'll be back Thursday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of haunted places as well. As all park casts. Other podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you of asked how to help us if you enjoy this show the best way to help is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. I'll see next week. Haunted. Places was created by max Cutler, it's a production of Cutler media and is part of the park cast network. It's produced by max in Ron Cutler sound design by Kenny Hobbs with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Carly Madden. Haunted. Places was written by Devin Schwartz. 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137 - Madame Delphine LaLaurie: How Evil Was She?

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

2:16:52 hr | 1 year ago

137 - Madame Delphine LaLaurie: How Evil Was She?

"If you've ever gone on a haunted tour of New Orleans like I have you're bound to stop the former residents of one Madame del Fien LA Lurie, the spooky haunted house music, located eleven forty Royal street. The lottery mansion as it's now known is just one short block off the bourbon street of New Orleans, mardi gras infamy breasts and beads alcohol and carpet diem lottery mansions, a swanky looking structure in the French quarter. That currently is a private residence that no one is believed to actually live in its emptiness certainly adds to its Irina Ted its fair share of owners over the years. No, one seems to stay long actor Nicolas Cage recently owned and then lost it to the Bank during a bankruptcy proceeding and current anonymous owner bought it at an auction for for round two and a half million dollars back in two thousand ten I wanted to say, it's really creepy looking place. But I think it only appears creepy to me because of what I've heard has happened inside its walls, some say like my. Ghost tour guide. The lottery mansion is the most haunted place in all of New Orleans. A city known amongst goes honors as a land of many, many huntings New Orleans consistently makes or tops varies internet list of the most haunted cities in America over the years. There have been numerous supposed paranormal sightings in the lottery mansion such as one occupant claiming to have an attack by naked black men in chains. Then ended his mysterious assault by just abruptly vanishing. Others have claimed to have heard the sounds of animals being butchered inside the house children have been allegedly attacked by a phantom with whip strange figures wrapped in shrouds have suddenly appeared inside the home one occupant. Young mother was once terrified to find a woman in elegant evening clothes bending over her sleeping infant before vanishing into thin air and there've been all kinds of claims hearing screams, groans and cries throughout the night, our tour guide told my wife Lindsey is that he himself had had seen apparitions peering into windows several different times. I remember standing on Royal street across from the mansion goosebumps. Cover. My arms are guide also spoke of strange accidental deaths that have happened over the years to those who have dared walk on the sidewalk in front of the house all these tales real or just baseless ghost stories repeated to sell more haunted tour tickets, and why this house at of all the creepy homes. New Orleans was about a thousand homes, the qualifies great place to film, a horror movie, why this location we learned on the axe man, suck of New Orleans, months and months ago. Plenty of horrific shit has happened in a variety of other New Orleans homes. So again, why is the residents of Madame Delphine lottery supposedly haunted or the answer takes us even darker possibilities and haunting here's an example of what a New Orleans ghost tour guide may tell you about the horse. Some volunteer firemen may have encountered in the lottery home caught fire on April tenth eighteen thirty four. This is a a guide speech referenced in the book. Madame mad Madam Lowery New Orleans. Most famous murderous revealed when I read this book, I immediately. That the authors, Victoria, kosner love and Laura lie. Shannon may have had the same tour guide that I did this tour guides depiction of what the firemen who arrived at Madame Delphine supposed house a horse is going to be extremely graphic. The firemen broke down the doors and found a scene more hellish than the inferno on the lower floors. These strong men used to gore and carnage backed out of the room, shaking and wretched some could not stop themselves from vomiting at last the firemen claimed calmed themselves along with some of Lowery's neighbors. They went into the attic to save the poor wretched creatures that they had discovered everywhere. The firemen look they saw chain slaves. Some were naked in some nearly dead. The stench of fear, sweat and human waste with stomach-turning. But what the firemen saw was infinitely worse all of the slaves have been outrageously mutilated abused or starved one woman had her skin peeled in a spiral around and around her body. So she resembled Macab, Caterpillar one. Man and one woman appeared to have had crude a crude sex change operation performed on them her breasts were sloppily sewn onto his chest and his penis sewn to her crotch another man chained to the wall had a hole drilled into his head maggots crawled in and out of an open wound a woman had Oliver bones broken and reset at different angles. So that she resembled a nightmarish crab when the doors burst open. She scuttled to a corner to hide shrieking out a high hideous barking sound buckets of body parts litter the room several of the slaves perished when rescuers tried to move them. Others fainted from the shock one woman blind with terror jumped to her death from the window. Well, fuck is going on in the lottery home. These firemen stumble across the, you know, some evidence of maybe the worst treatment of slaves or just human beings in general in American history, which is saying a lot or. Or is the tale of Madame Delphine Lowery. You an example of one of the worst cases of slander in American history as some historians suspect which would also be saying a lot or the truth as it often is somewhere in the middle. We're gonna find out today today, we dive into the folklore surrounds the life of Madame Lowery, which leads us into an examination of life in New Orleans in the early nineteenth century and sends us into the world of voodoo hoodoo laws regarding the treatment of New Orleans slaves. The war of eighteen twelve and much much more while we may never know exactly where the line between fact and fiction is drawing detail the dark tale of Madame lottery. We know for sure that her story is an interesting one, which is why she is our topic of the week today on time suck. Happy Monday, suckers, work can wait. It's time for time. Suck hail Nimrod. Loose a phenom bojangles. Hey, you're cool to what about triple m. What about triple m summers here? And that means so is y'all rock and who's the captain of the yacht. 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If I gave like a new age speech, I feel like I'd be neyland shit. And then if someone was like, hey, can you give me your dress? I live on this state of Idaho street, I-, coordinating, happy what? Okay. Let's get some history. Let's get to some horror. And and see what else we get to with today's tale. It is time now for Madame Delfi. We're gonna we're gonna go quick in today's timeline. No, dick and around the the context. Madam Lowery's life will come up or Ganic as we March forward. Fhu. Slavery war gonna get into all kinds of surrounding interesting contextual ship as we examined the life of someone by by primarily examining the lives of those around her. Since surprisingly little was written about giant chunks of the life of someone who's become so infamous get to it. Wrap on those boats soldier where Martin down a time summertime lie. Talk about Maria del phen- Lowery who we think was born in seventeen eighty seven. It's important to know about the social and political circumstances of Louisiana previous twin lot of relive. Their lottery was born New Orleans was still city in the Louisiana territory. Talk about that territory. How about you come back to sixteen eighty two with me that year people were way grocer the now because bikini wax and good shampoo and scientifically hand skin products hasn't been created yet. No one ever applied sunscreen or use legitimate toothpaste ever picture that when you hear about somebody beautiful from back, then kind of beautiful beautiful with fucking Brown teeth and leather skin also in sixteen eighty two Louisiana territory. Not the American state was founded by French explorer, Rene, Robert cavalier, Sierra de LaSalle named it in honor of the French king. Louis the fourteenth, it originally covered an expansive territory that included most of the drainage basin of the Mississippi. River stretch from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico and from the Appalachian nailed it mountains to the rocky mountains. However, just because Kelly had claimed a great deal of territory North America didn't necessarily mean that all of it was developed or even inhabited by Europeans. The biggest settlements were Nolan's found in seventeen eighteen Quebec founded in sixty eight and Montreal founded in sixteen forty two while the French had Fords from Florida to Wisconsin. There just weren't that many Europeans in North America. Two and a half million estimated population of North America in seventeen seventy five and most of those people were in major metropolitan areas, like Philadelphia, New York City. It's estimated that around seven thousand euro Pean immigrants settled in Louisiana during the eighteenth century, not a lot a number one hundred times lower than the number of British colonists on the Atlantic coast because everything being spread out. It was relatively hard to defend territory that you'd claimed especially if you were already fighting wars at home as Louie the fourteenth was fast forward. Seventeen fifty six the seven years war begins and includes every great power in the western world. But basically the rundown is that it's England versus France was pressure Portugal. Small German states coming in on England side, France getting a little backup from the holy Roman empire, Russia Spain, some historians. Call this war World War zero because of its unprecedented at the time global scale sw, what happened now who conflict well conflict between a Great Britain and France broke out in seventeen fifty four last between seventy four seventy fifty six when the British attacked disputed French positions North America starting with the British ambush of a small French force at the battle of. Of june. Ville Jim Ville, Glenn on may twenty eight seventeen fifty four and extended across the colonial boundaries and the seizure of hundreds of French merchant ships at sea. A lot of stuff also happens on mainland Europe focuses on Prussia trying to recover some land from Austria, which we won't get into Buchanan magin. It was a sort of a mini version of the chain of a set off World War One, which we've all talked about here on suck with everyone jumping side of either England France dependent one where enemies were wars also called the French in any war, which facility refers to the conflict between France and England in the new world. So what happened in the new world and the early seventeen fifty s Francis expansion into the Ohio river valley repeatedly brought it into conflict with the claims of the British colonies, especially Virginia during seventeen fifty four and seventeen fifty five the French defeated in quick succession young George Washington, general Edward Braddock Braddock successor Governor William Shirley of Massachusetts in seventeen fifty five. Governor Shirley fear into the French settlers in Nova Scotia, aka Katie. Would side with France and any military confrontation. He expelled hundreds of the Acadians to other British colonies, many of these exile suffered cruelly. We'll talk about these exiles or at least their descendants here a little bit throughout this period. The British military effort was hampered by lack of interest at home rivalries. Among the American colonies and France has greater success in winning the support of the American Indians and seventeen fifty six the British formally declared war making the official beginning of the seven years war. But their new commander in America. Lord Loudon, aka John Campbell, fourth. Earl of Loudon face the same problems as his predecessors met with little success against the French and their native allies what pompous name, by the way. Lord loudon. It does. I Lauren stand up on my white powdered wig behold. My shoddy buckled shoes gaze upon my cotton, Nicosia, cts, Laura loud and wears nothing. But the fanciest of fancy toll socks. The tide turned in seventeen fifty seven because William Pitt the new British leader saw the colonial conflicts is the key to building vast British empire Burling heavily to finance the war. Berlin, buccaneers just bird himself on the ground. He's gonna pay for this war somehow quick, stick a whole Berlin. He borrowed heavily to finance the war. He paid Prussia to fight in Europe. And he reimbursed the colonies for raising troops North America in July seventeen fifty eight the British won their first great victory at Louise Berg near the mouth at the Saint Lawrence river month later, they took fort Frontenac as the western end of the river, then they closed on Quebec where General James Wolfensohn spectacular victory in the plains of Abraham in September seventeen fifty nine we're both. He and the French commander the marquee Damon. Calm. We're fatally wounded with the fall of Montreal in September seventeen sixty two French lost their last foothold in Canada England, redirects this energy to take his much of Spain's and France's. Territories across the a can finally time for some peace. Conferences seventeen sixty three France England Spain plan on sitting down and figuring out how to divide up the new world. England has thirteen colonies on the east coast and parts of Canada. France has parts of Canada and Louisiana. Spain has Florida and Cuba. So here's what franchise because they hate England so much as negotiations began to end seven years war. Louisville fourteenth secretly proposes to his cousin Charles third of Spain that France gave Louisiana to Spain in the treaty of photon blue when the treaty actually has drawn up. It's called the treaty of Paris. It ends the war with the provisions of which France seeds all territory east of the Mississippi, including candidate to Britain Spain seat, Florida and land east of the Mississippi, including Baton Rouge to Britain Spain now controls Louisiana and New Orleans becomes a Spanish city. We touched on some of this in the Napoleon suck. Also at this time England starts kicking out French Canadians from Canada, the sets off the Acadian Cajun migration with French settlers from Quebec and settlers on the east side of the Mississippi who'd been ordered to leave the new. Reserve migrate into two Louisiana, which they believed was still French controlled land west of the Mississippi as well as New Orleans in seventeen sixty eight and Tonio day day allure becomes the first price fucked up his last name becomes the first Spanish governor of Louisiana doesn't go. Well, he doesn't even get to fly the Spanish flag and his forced to leave by a pro French mob in the rebellion of seventeen sixty eight the next year at one hundred zero O'Reilly suppresses a rebellion. Executes as leaders in send some plotters to prison in moral castle in Havana, Cuba, things go better for one hundred. Few executions. Sometimes it's a good way to stab some law and order, you know, sending a fear into the hearts of the citizens to properly rule them. Totally works just asked Lennon or almost every other dictator in history Alejandro was otherwise benign and pardons. Other participants who swore allegiance to Spain. He established Spanish law and the council of New Orleans, and he also has an interesting name this guy, or maybe two sounds interesting to me or funny to me because that's stupid O'Reilly auto parts Marshall, which has been played approximately a gazillion times last ten years as picture them saying stuff like me number is a handle or or orally autoparts. All right. Quick recap. Louisiana was French was endanger becoming British territory, then was given to Spain. And then mobs in New Orleans run off the first Spanish governor. And then Canadian still think Louisiana's French the spells one Bigalow? Identity crisis for this area. Not only is there a crisis of leadership. There's also just in general enormous. Variety of ethnicities, religions and nationalities. Living in New Orleans since it's a port city, the refresh Spanish and British residents as well as an enormously population immigrants from the Caribbean islands German Irish in Italian immigrants and more when the US government took over ownership of cosmopolitan New Orleans on December twentieth. Eighteen three when Mademoiselle Fien is only sixteen it acquired a city that immediately ranked as the ninth largest in the country and a port with extensive trade networks throughout Europe North America, the Caribbean Latin America at the time only one nine of the city's population was of African origin. The city more than doubled in size after ten thousand refugees from the seventeen ninety four to eight four rebellion in Haiti found a new home in New Orleans in eighteen o nine these Saint dooming gay refugees, included, French colonists free Creoles of color. Ex-labour many of whom returned to bondage after set and Florida American shores how much does that fuck and suck right? You just find a rebellion. You know, you're you win your freedom you sail over to America like half the prize motherfucker. Back. We got you. Again, Cudjoe suck eighteen ten cents is records. The city population is about one third white one third free people of color, one third African slaves who constituted, obviously, the bottom of the labor market and the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. The melting of all these cultural backgrounds gave rise to the term Creel as it was used in the new world. The term Creole was first used in the sixteenth century to identify descendants of French Spanish or Portuguese settlers living in the West Indies and Latin America, there is general agreement to the term Creole derives. From the Portuguese Portuguese word Creal, which means a slave born in the master's household probably also in pronounce that one right? My portuguese. Not good single definitions advised in early days of European colonial expansion, but his krill populations established divergence social political and economic identities the term acquired different meanings, which is why it's gotten so confusing today in the West Indies Creole refers to a descendant of any European seller. But some people have. African descent also consider themselves to be krill in Louisiana it mainly identifies. French speaking populations of French or Spanish descent people whose ancestors were upper class whites many of whom are plantation owners or officials during the French and Spanish, colonial periods during the eighteenth and nineteenth century, they formed a separate cast that used French. They were Catholics the retain the traditional cultural traits related social groups in France. But they were the first French group to be submerged by Anglo Americans. However, krill doesn't justify these people might this is one of the slippy fucking words ever, many Creoles descendants of French colonials who fled Saintamon gay Haiti for North America's Gulf Coast, when a slave insurrection that we talked about, you know, challenge French authority in Louisiana, the term Creole came to represent children of black or racially mixed parents as well as children of French and Spanish descent with no racial mixing persons of French and Spanish descent in New Orleans and Saint Louis began referring to themselves as Creoles after Louisiana purchase to set. Themselves apart from the Anglo American's moving into the area. Are you confused enough by this word yet because it gets worse? My laptop dictionary gives four different racial definitions for Kriel, it can be one a person of mixed European and black descent, especially in the Caribbean to a descendant of Spanish or other European settlers in the Caribbean or central or South America, three a white descendant of French settlers in Louisiana and other parts of the southern US four Allegra con of above average, height born in the western hemisphere, but with ancestry coming mainly from eastern hemisphere, specifically either Ethiopia Somalia, but not Madagascar who's fought of unicorns, but doesn't actually own one. Because why the fuck not? Of course, I was made of that last one. But the real definition is ridiculous. The same word commute is a person of mixture paean and black descent or a white descendant of French settlers, probably living in Louisiana, but not necessarily living in Louisiana all much other meetings. Back in Madame. They'll fiends day krill was used to refer to early Louisiana Collins, a French descent who had been born in Louisiana and were thus native to the territory compared to new immigrants from France or elsewhere, and and then to make it even more confusing. There's the Cajun situation Cajun versus Creel as to confuse Creoles with Cajun's all the time because frankly, it's very fucking easy to do. And no one outside of Louisiana for the most part gives us shit Cajuns and Creoles are both people of French descent. The two groups just arrived in Louisiana in different ways. While the Creoles are a little bit more native. Well, little their native to Louisiana again for the most part. He's Cajuns are the ethnic group that began in eastern Canada. Those French settlers who form that colony of Acadia lasted from sixty four to seventeen thirteen we've talked about it before Katie included, the maritime provinces parts of Quebec even parts of Maine. These are the people that were we talked about earlier that were kicked out of Acadia by the British in the mid eighteenth century when they refused to bow down to a new crown and they ended up. Exile down to Louisiana because they thought it was still controlled by the French so many came into Louisiana that a large section of southern Louisiana is known as a Katyusha a French Louisiana region that comprises twenty two of Louisiana sixty four parishes, which are like their counties against sorry. I know those a long tangent again Madam del fiends day Creel used to refer to early Louisiana. Colonists of French descent. My got such a good example of how confusing our language can truly be communication can be so challenging because sometimes what you think word means is different than what the person, you're speaking. With thinks that words means sometimes communication is challenging because the actual definition of the word in question is constantly evolving. And at times contradictory in this word to me represents today's episode is well, if this was an especially confusing sub to research, I think we got it. I think we got it. But it was tough because there are so many varying accounts all over the place about what actually happened the dates and the names get mixed around and tossed around and. Oh and change. And there's four different accounts of what this person's suppose you did in eight different accounts with that person's vote. He did. So that's why sometimes on the updates. You know, you guys send in some issues, which are awesome. But we don't read them all because a lot of times. It's just an alternative, you know, example of what the history might have been and we just happen to go with a different one. Oh, man. Why can't history before and perfect? Okay. Now back to the subject of the suck. So what was life like for a French krill named Madame Delphine with imported furniture wines books and clothes white Creoles were immersed in a completely French atmosphere in America, it's all fancy and elegantly European should very fancy life in in all likelihood, we're all virtually positive of that white Creoles clung to their individualistic way of life frowned upon intermarriage with Anglo Americans and others refuse to learn English resentful and contemptuous of Protestants, they can sue them irreligious and wicked. They really didn't care for voodoo and hoodoo we're going to find out later Creoles generally succeeded remaining separate in the rural sections, but they steadily lost ground in New Orleans. Eighteen o three. There were seven Creoles to every Anglo-American New Orleans, but these figures dwindled to two one by eighteen thirty Anglo Americans reacted by disliking Creoles with equal enthusiasm gradually New Orleans became not one city, but to canal street split them apart dividing the old Creole city from the uptown section where the other Americans quickly settled. Okay. Lot of context now. Now back to the timeline in eighteen o to France, regains control of Louisiana. So Lowery is born into Spanish Louisiana, which then switches to French Louisiana and h no two, and then becomes a US territory age, you know, three because France didn't plan on keeping Louisiana because France is now run by Napoleon Bonaparte who was we know needed the money to finance his wars in Europe as we just learned a few weeks ago in that suck on the Polian sold Louisiana to the US and president Thomas Jefferson now that we've gone through all the versions of Louisiana the existed in lotteries life. 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Suck use promo code times in checkout. That's a way travel dot com slash time. Suck use the promo code time suck for twenty dollars off a suitcase discount link in the episode description sponsor button in the time so gap now it's bounce on over seventeen eighty seven most likely year of Madame del fiends birth Marie del phen- McCarty was born in New Orleans as her original maiden name and most accounts do claims she was born March nine. Eighteenth seventeenth eighty seven is one of five children both of her parents were wealthy and well established leave only members of the New Orleans European Creole community slave ownership at that time was very widespread and was seen as a sign of wealth. As like a status side will look into that deeper, but the, but the gist was that the more slaves one owned, the more powerful and prestigious they were the culture of New Orleans at the time was a culture engulfed in the slave trade. Many of the whites without slaves wanted them and many people regardless of needing help around their home or not which is owned like one slave just for the status. It brought house. How strange is that reality that at one time not that long ago in this country people were buying other people other meats sacks for the same reason. A lot of people today get a new iphone or put an pool to impress their friends and neighbors keeping up with the Joneses meant sometimes buying other people who may have actually been named the Joneses not that long ago. Crazy Creole Delfi Creel mother. Now just wants to kill the time was Maria. Gene, leoville also known as the widow Lecompte as Louis ABI McCarthy was her second husband came from a very wealthy French family with deep ties to the French aristocracy. They can even be traced back to the emperor Napoleon Delphine. Father was a Louis Barthelemy the day. Mccarthy originally Chevrolet DA McCarthy a night in the service of the king descended from a long line of French military officers from very prominent Irish family sound prominent right that lawless fanciest names, you know, it's not like her parents were named Doug and Becky hilarious. My name is muddy data FEMA coattail. These are my parents dog in back. The McCarthy's were krill family distinction in New Orleans and the descendants of the two pioneers who brought the name to Louisiana are numerous today. Among the first families of that state. The McCarthy's originally McCarthy's were ancient Irish folks, one of whom Bartholomew was. Yeah. Captain an Irish Regiment of aber mal fled his native Ireland France to escape the political and religious tyranny of the English kings of that time, he married a woman whose name seems to be forgotten history than the other. They had five kids to of Bartholomew's sons, John jocks and Bartholomew. Danielle democarcy migrated together to Louisiana and seventeen thirty two as French colonial and the and the officers and Creole McCarty line began a Jean-Jacques became a Knight of the order of Saint Louis Bartholomew. Daniel was Madame del fiends grandfather. So yeah. So she got an impressive lineage the first thirteen years Adelphia's childhood between seventeen eighty seven and eighteen hundred are not well documented, but is it was a bummer, right? We don't we don't have any early stories. About are pushing another kid into a well or coming home from playing out in the swamp one day covered in blood with a knife in her hand, claiming not to know where she's been the past few hours, you know on the same day. A playmate goes missing forever. There's no stories of her parents, catching her skin and a family pet alive will merely humming. Some church hymns of. No nothing to point to and be like a hoc-. She had to torture. Those poor people when she got older she was clearly a psychopath. If Dell seen did commit weird cruel shady acts as a kid. We don't know about based on her family being a noted krill family of the area. She was most likely raised in luxury and comfort and did her best not to be, you know, considered improper for young lady, you high society as a daughter, well, bred Creole families should have been taught. Reading writes, the bulk of her education, probably would have consisted of music, art lessons. Etiquette should have learned the art of running a household from her mother to speak a bit more towards dolphins family status. Her aunt Marie. Stay Eleanor day. Mccarthy was married to Esteban Rodriguez middle the governor of the Spanish American provinces, Louisiana and Florida during seventeen eighty five to seventy ninety one kind of a big deal and her cousin a Guston day. Mccarthy would go on to become the mayor of New Orleans from eighteen fifteen to eighteen twenty also kind of. Deal. She was a lady of high society, her family was one of the most, you know, high status families and all of New Orleans. She was raised to be a socialite debutante. And and basically she and her family were about the closest thing to American aristocrats. We've ever had Delfi was most likely katelyn pampered like others raised by slave owners her and her families lives intertwined with the lives of the people. They bought and sold there were rumors that dolphins father slept with aka raped as be honest, some of his slaves, and he kept a black mistress some later point towards del fiends father sexual relationship with his slaves as a possible motivation for the cruel thing, she was opposed due to her slaves later her life, right? Like did. She blame her slaves or slaves in general, I guess for soiling her father's reputation. Did she blame a slave woman for for harming her father's relationship with her mother? Did you experience a lot of behind the scenes emotional turmoil? Lost a history who's related to slavery. Somehow is that why she may have cruelly tortured people in her New Orleans now. Now haunted. You know, abode all these years later love, you know, or many years later, we don't know we don't know, we do know Delfin was raised around a lot of slavery. Would you could say about virtually anyone living in Louisiana that time, but not everyone at that time was actually raised on a plantation like Delfin was in seventeen seventy one sixteen years before her birth? Her family became southern plantation owners is that year Delfin grandparents Francois, Helene Pellegrin and Bartholomew Daniel day McCarthy, they were gifted a plantation. We think this happened in seventeen seventy one several genealogy sides say that Bartholomee died in seventeen sixty four but those sites and my experience not entirely accurate. Not accurate news motions. I would like and some old Louisiana court records from nineteen forty one site and early twentieth century, Louisiana. Judge historian Judge Charles Geir as saying that Delfin grandfather was the tutor of the children of a man named Jean Baptiste Caesar Lieber tone. And gene was murdered by a petted and pampered slave that's quote in his will apparently he passed his plantation down to Barth automate Daniel McCarthy who received it in seventeen seventy one I'm gonna go with the court record. And how fucked up is the petted and pampered description, by the way my God. Yes. And that was written by someone back in the later eighteenth century was incredibly pro slavery and insanely abusive. That's why can't Pam with him. Call Nelia the slightest bit of pampering pet him. They will kill you constant beatings are required. For the safety of everyone vary integrity of southern society. There's no disagreement amongst historians about whether or not Delfi was raised by New Orleans area plantation owners that we know for sure. She would grope around injustices and violence of American plantation slavery, typically, far more violent and demeaning than American how slavery guest if you will make no mistake, also every was bad. But some slaves were treated far worse than others. And usually the worst treated slaves were plantations likes a March twenty six eighteen hundred Delfin gets married for the first time. And if you're good at math Emmys, she had just turned thirteen years old. He. Hey, had our thirteenth birthday had a party on the nineteenth. And then was laying naked under the body of her new, you know, naked and not thirteen-year-old full grown husband. You know, just a short time later now to be fair, you will find a fair amount of disagreement on the on the web about this some sources as she was born in seventeen seventy five I I don't believe though sources, and and again, this was super frustrated in that regard while she to me, and many others is incredibly interesting. Historical figure noted by prefer historian. You know has actually written like a like a real definitive biography about her. And I think part of the reason is that a lot of the info about her is inconsistent and hard to feel certain about and when she was growing up. Nobody knew that she would become an incredibly interesting historical figure the deed. She became infamous four happened much later in her life. So, you know, no, one to write that shit down early on seen pictures of religious tombstone, a website called find a grave that has been my experience pretty accurate of used it to verify a lot of victims ages and death dates, you know, in previous cry. Sucks and the name and dates it gives have consistently lined up with the name and dates I've been able to find other sources, and according to this side, she was born in seventeen eighty seven tombstone picture. They have for her shows were death date. But not a birthday. I know sometimes I go into too much detail this type of shit, but I just wanted to know that we work hard. Not to bullshit you with information. And unfortunately, that's not the norm. I wish I wish that came from my sources more often, you know, just an occasional. Hey, we think this is what happened? We don't know for sure we did our best. Anyways, it appears that she really did get married to thirteen the vast majority of the most reputable sources seem to insist this and and back at the turn of the nineteenth century, it actually made more sense for a woman to get married when she was thirteen than it did for women to get married at twenty five which is if you trust the other date of her birth, which would actually considered pretty undesirable the average age of marriage was closer to twenty that time but twenty five that was ancient right for a first marriage by like people would wonder what was wrong with her. Right. Have been old may to twenty-five already lost over ten years of prime baby making time. Now, what's what's going on with their? Why didn't they wanted any man want? This one's bride. Twenty five year old bride was likely. A widow who already had a few kids around talk about different times during the nineteenth century, the age of consent in the United States, actually, very between ten and sixteen depending on the state and the year ten as the father of an eleven year old daughter that is so deeply disturbing to me and people say today kids around to fast fuck outta here. Not compared to eighteen hundred Louisiana. You know, you just call your fifteen year old getting drunk who gives a shit. Does. Your fifteen year old have a five year old with a forty year old or the already a widow if so then. Yeah, then they're grown up pretty fast. If not then they're they're not nearly as fast as so many kids who've run up quickly before them, my son's thirteen. I can't imagine Cuyler get married either. His wife would have to have a lot of patience for his relentless mean. References. That'd be cool with the dude who doesn't play with stuffed animals, you know, anymore. But also won't let us get rid of them. The marriage ceremony was held at the Saint Louis cathedral by the first Bishop of the diocese of Louisiana. The marriage certificate was signed by celebrated Spanish priests Antonio day sedalia a man whose ghost is said to walk an alley now named for him which runs alongside of New Orleans cathedral that Allie pair antwon alley in a restaurant in the city's historic. French quarter are named after this, dude. And an after the ceremony the priest allegedly high five Delfin husband and then just leaned in real close. And just said now get them in. I get I get it. I like him even younger than that myself. But don't only the boys only. Sweet sexy innocent little fuck, boys. Sorry, not sorry. No. That's messed up based on. How many cases have priest? Pedophilia of read about the past few decades. I can only imagine the amount of Catholic molestation that was going on back in parishes. That time. Delvina husband was described in this document as Kaba gyro day, LA Royal de Carlos intendant of the provinces a native of the community of red no Galicia Spain and the legitimate son of lordship, Don Jose Antonio Lopez e and gala e Dona Ana Fernandez de LA daughter of Donna Francis. Kabar DCFS fucking get out of here with all those titles Jesus. Like seventy five words. Welcome to. I don't know. Why started going Scandinavian? His name is Don Ramon Lopez history is not clear as to how much older he was some research does say he was laced in his fifties. When they got married fucking gross. Some thirteen year old sent off to a wedding bed with grandpa. Hopefully, this is not correct. And he was much younger. But you know, what? Even if he was half that age if he's twenty five still pretty gross evening half of that. If he was like thirteen all, it's all pretty gross Mademoiselle, faints, first marriage scandalous, but actually not for age related reasons. Her high ranking military officer husband married this thirteen-year-old girl without the consent of the king of Spain. Which was a big no no that went against governmental protocol thirteen year old vagina all well and good. But you have to get the king's permission before you touch it. Maybe he wanted to lean in say some weird creepy shit. Just tell me later, what is like Mr. mopus, I won't detail when you've taken a charity quickly right down every moment of the encounter. On how new book with the others. Oh, my priest and I like to read it together at night. I'm sure there's other reasons for the king needing to give him permission. Actually, I'm not sure shit was super weird and gross back then, but I hope so. Don, Ramon was stripped of his office or to return to the Spanish courts for marrying without the king's permission. Maybe here again, you count very fucking stupid accounts. Here's the possibilities. Neither Asia four or maybe even late eighteen hours three after the American acquisition of the Louisiana territory that we just went over earlier, Don Ramon seemed to have been appointed to the position of consul general for Spain in the territory of Orleans, Bill FINA. Ramon traveled to Spain in eighteen o four varying. Accounts of this trip exists grace king late nineteenth and early twentieth. Century New Orleans, author historian wrote in nineteen twenty one the trip was Lopez military punishment and that Siniora's Delphine Lopez met the Queen who was impressed with MRs Lopez beauty a nineteen thirty six account by Stanley. Arthur who wrote for the encyclopedia Britannica nearly twenty century stated that March twenty six eight zero four Don Ramon Lopez was recalled to Spain to take his place at court as befitting his new position. But that Lopez never arrived in Madrid. Because he died in route in Havana, and all of the accounts seemed to verify that he did die in Cuba on March twenty six eighteen o four Ramon day. Lopez e and Guelleh, and willow is pardoned for his grievous lack of requesting marital permission. He just wanted that thirteen year olds so bad he's pardoned again one Spain gives Louisiana to the United States. And he's granted an important political position in New Orleans. We think and then yes in routes via the American ship. Ulysses the ship runs aground. Ramon dies of heart failure before ever reaching his destination. He's buried in Havana during the voyage Delfi gives birth to a daughter named Marie Borgia. Borja Delvina Lopez e and Guelleh daler Candelaria nicknamed board to bore Kita after Don Ramones grandf- mother Dona friend Cisco, and then Delfin and her daughter returned New Orleans afterwards after Don Ramones debt, they'll feel will be a single mom for four years. Very young single mom roughly seventeen years old presumably. Much of her mother and duties were done by servants since she was known to party down. But there are accounts that, you know, the speak to her adoring and doting on Oliver children. She have several others to her life. You're also gonna find out are later accounts as she gets older issues possibly very abusive to our kids. Okay. So let's look at our next marriage. You know, we're an examined all three remarriages thoroughly because when little is written about someone, you know, basically, the next base thing you can do is to examine the lives. They were intertwined with to at least get some insight into their life. And a fair amount was written about her husband's especially the last two mostly the second this guy. Twenty one year old Delfin remarried on June sixteenth eighteen o eight to amend name Jean Pierre. Paulin blank who is an attorney banker lawmaker slave trader and as you'll see soon pirate Adelphia John Blunk would have four children together who were born in the residence at four nine Royal street. Currently idea Mannheim antiques in New Orleans occupies at. Address if you wanna stop in check it out. What is such a fun city that way rare for America place with the residents of someone who lived a few hundred years ago is still around and use today. I mean, I know in Europe, you know, place like that or a dime a dozen, but pretty special still on the side of the Pont del phen-. Gent's eldest daughter Marie Louise zone. Their other three children's names were John Lewis. No, yeah. John louis. Leonard Lowery is the name. He would end up with later. Louis. Marie law blank. And Marie Louis. Pauline blunk. Delfin Laurie's mother Marie John died of natural causes the year before in February twenty six h no seven and left. Her daughter thirty three thousand dollars that will become her dowry. In addition to whatever actually was technically thirty three thousand and seventy dollars, which is a lot of money in that time. In addition to whatever accumulation of slaves Blunk manage on his own. He was also gifted twenty-six more slaves by dolphins father at the time for wedding. Also in eighteen zero eight gene blank was gifted his first plantation so strange to me to be gifted actual people at wedding. It's such a different time it sometimes feels like a completely different world little Baxter. Mr. blank who sounds like a French clue character? It was Mr. blank in the foyer with a both heen Hamma. Gene block came to New Orleans ain't zero three. And luckily for today's tale, we know quite a bit about Jean's known in some circles as the godfather of the modern carnival, America's first Carney. If you will traveling carnivals did exist in France in some form for several years. But nothing substantial is the guy who apparently put carnivals on the map is credited with the advent of the ring toss balloon dark game must've light of Louisiana children. And then children across the world is the first figure out you could trick fathers into spending the equivalent of two hundred dollars twenty five dollars stuffed animal for their daughter or girlfriend or wife. He made a fucking fortune, and he would and it would be this Carney money that would lead to the dark legend of Madame del Fien or okay, he wasn't a Carney. But he did invent elephant. No, he didn't we do know a lot about him. No, we do Jean-Pierre signature actually appears on the original copy of the constitution of the state of Louisiana data January twenty second eighteen twelve is display to the historic New Orleans collection. Pretty cool. You don't get to do that. When you're Carney. Some high-society shits speaks to delphin social status. And this is her second husband. You'll get a second husband of that stature unless you yourself amongst the upper crust of the social elite and pretty hot. She was supposed very tractive. Apparently, her beauty had not totally faded by the time. She was ancient age of twenty one when del fiends first marriage could be or wild elephants. First marriage can be described brief and gross her. Second marriage really speaks to how important she was in early New Orleans history. As we alluded to earlier nora's was a big deal in the early nineteenth century. It was already one of the biggest cities in the south. It was growing fast who become actually the third largest city in US by eighteen forty before flat lining, population wise between the civil war and the great, depression and Jean-Pierre he had a prominent role in early Orleans history jump block was a successful banker merchant as I said plantation or entrepreneur, lawyer legislator, slave trader and fucking privateer pirate. He may not have worn. I patch or had a parrot named Polly or. Peg leg or carried cool sword swashbuckling or even one time uttered with shaved timbers. You ain't Saint in his scouting lack David Jones locker today. Or maybe he didn't say that. While squint one, I real hard and clamp and his, you know, fuck fucked up teeth down on a corncob pipe billowing smoke is black gunpowder, but he was technically pirate. Delfin second husband actually, played a very important role in saving America's independence from crumbling in the war. Eighteen twelve the first real mention of John Blaha historically him walking off a French frigate called sorrel yacht onto a Louisiana soil Napoleon's right hand, Louisiana man, Pierre Clement Lesot Orla saw also was blocked cousin was on the same ship during that same long trip from France LUSA was Napoleon's appointment to be prefect of the colony after the eighteen oh three transfer from Spain to France, Louisiana territory after the sale to America, this assault character left New Orleans, but Blunk remained behind John blonde. Came to Louisiana fairly rich pretty powerful pretty connected, and he just seemed to do even better New Orleans. He declared himself a citizen Louisiana immediately. And just got right down to local. Politics records show that within the first year of him being a Louisiana. He owns three big ships, including one called citizen. There's quite a bit of evidence. These shifts were very least rented out to privateers to do much pirate ship. He wasn't a pirate in some sense of self. The main trade for Blunk was colloquially called a very dehumanizing term black ivory the fruits of his piracy were slaves along with other valuable items. We found court documents that he was once prosecuted in court for his involvement in the matter of twenty seven thousand pounds of coffee bean stolen from America. So so weird still whatever you want from any of our enemies, including actual people. But you take our coffee. I'll see you in court. You son of a bitch times are so different. Then compared to now in Sony different ways. I mean came out the equivalent now or only direct neighbors now are Canada and Mexico. We along both in pretty well. Right. We never have any real dust ups with Canada and there's immigration tensions of Mexico. But we're not like actively hostile. Them not in ways that we're tolerated two hundred years ago. I mean, you couldn't now drive down to Tijuana. Rob a few banks take a few families of people have their authorities. Chase you to the border then race past the checkpoint and just get high five by bunch of American officers to shows epic man. We're gonna have to have you pay us back for the barricade you broke through through but not the other burqa. Now's there's now. Fuck him. But hours looks like you snatch them some serious pesos. Good job, man. Could you brother you? Yes. Hey, U S. Hey, that's that's kind of a life was like back. Then right are shipping? Merchants. Could ransack the merchants of some other nations ship. And then we as a nation will be like fucking Cooman. Sweet good job. Now is that other nations? Like, hey, not cool. Give that crooks. We can try and court now bro fuck off. Oh, I see. How this I see? That's fine. I was pushed my anger down that eventually it'll boil up we'll declare war you Astles. Slavery was definitely John belongs main trade is methods and tactics were certainly technically illegal. But not only was he not chastised for his profession. He was held in high regard. As privateers often were the New Orleans banks. Look the other way even quietly supported this pirate in the trade in general for the injection of cash flow that came from it, the general public did not ostracize these slave traders, even though as we'll find out soon is technically illegal time, no have to delve into this guy's role in what many might say saved America in eighteen twelve the husband of Madame Delphine heavily involved in the battle New Orleans. The battle of New Orleans would would be a pivotal moment in American history. It was the first major battle of the war. Eighteen twelve I'm sorry. Not I final final final final. I can send people get on their keyboard? No. No. No. No, actually. Yeah. Final. We learned in the Andrew Jackson suck technically it occurred after the war was already over. Kind of the treaty that ended the war actually stipulated. The fighting would stop wants the treaty was ratified which didn't actually app until February eighteen fifteen the British were hoping that when the war ended they would own New Orleans and be able to control trade on the Mississippi blonde. His pirate friends the Lafitte brothers and Madame dolphins. Own family's home would become become some of the deciding factors in the British defeat in this war, if it'd played out differently our world might look very different today. The war eighteen twelve sometimes called the forgotten war. It's importance often underplayed misrepresented because it sandwiched between the revolutionary war and the civil war the war eighteen to kinda Korean war. Right. It sandwich, you know, in between a World War Two and Vietnam. It doesn't get the same press of the war eighteen twelve hadn't been going on been going. Well for the now at eleven Uncle Sam American suffered many defeats the White House has been burned down. Nearly all of the coastline was being blockaded. Americans were also defeated on the Great Lakes only a few ports in New England were still operational. The former British. Navy had affectively made the US an island surrounded by Her Majesty's finest all they really needed for completion of their plan. For victory was control of the Mississippi River, the Mississippi delta. London was confident that Americans would soon surrender to put an end to the fighting. The crown sent in our motto of fifty ships and eleven thousand soldiers sailors marines to capture New Orleans. The our motto was led by, sir. Edmund Parkin ham. He would go ahead to go head to head with American president j Madison's leadership choice General Andrew Jackson. He of the most controversial suck the man who lived two hundred years ago, whose very name still polarize people today as I found out, and I get it. I'm sure something right now like got damaged this guy. Again. I quit listen for a while last time showed up. Why why are we talking about this racist had again, well because you can't rewrite history? That's why actually you can and people do all the time which is fucking ridiculous to me to motionlessly week to me, right? The truth is what it is what good really comes from hiding it or sugar coating it. General Jackson arrived New Orleans December first eighteen fourteen required. It interpreter to communicate with the mainly French-Speaking people who live there fucking krill's Jackson quickly put together and. Opposition forceful of French and Spanish, Creoles, free men of color, slave German. Farmers frontiers men militia actual soldiers shit pirates. The melting pot of early America mixed into one early fighting force Madame Delphine McCarty Blunk was thirty nine when war came to her home, and she directly witnessed some of the fighting. She was pregnant with her fourth child at the time had been married to John Pierre blank for six years. The blocks owned a great deal of property, including their home on Royal street, their townhouse next to the Bank Louisiana regime Pierre worked and he spent their summers of the blonde plantation that was right next to the Dell fiends family plantation on the Mississippi River, not far from New Orleans lot of residences in the area. Would sounds crazy. Even for the wealthy until you remember they didn't have cars back then right to fucking took forever to get across town. Right. When you're getting pulled behind some stupid horse. No, thank you. You know, back then I would have wanted several homes right here in court, Elaine. If I was living here if that meant avoiding a forty five minute horse ride. Jean-pierre did well financially as public member of commerce his greatest source of income came from his above board pirating and smuggling he was a silent partner of two of the most famous of the pirates of the Caribbean. The real ones John and Pierre Lafitte I'd actually never heard of these swashbuckling before the suck. Or if I did have already forgotten about him. I love it. When the exploration of one character leads to getting to know, so many other cool figures hail Nimrod. It had been a legal to import new slaves in the US ever since eighteen. Oh, wait. This is why some of the banks were kind of on the on the hush hush about supporting these guys this law, all though created a highly profitable illegal slave trade market, and that market made Blunk and the Lafitte brothers a lot of money, which then made, you know, Madame Delphine lottery. A lot of money by eighteen fourteen. Jean Lafitte had become public enemy number one in Louisiana. Thanks to a brazenly ignoring the slave trade law because you know, while the banks didn't didn't mind some other people didn't care for. It and then sometimes, you know, took shit like coffee from, you know, the actual Americans that piss people off and his brother Pierre had been caught and incarcerated for this pirating, the Louisiana government sick of this particular pirates and Governor William Clairborne offered a five hundred dollar reward for the capture of John Lafitte. And then check out this pirate move the feet responded by putting out a fifteen hundred dollar reward for the capture of governor Clairborne Touche motherfucker. So fantastic. I'll see you reward. And I'll raise it with bigger bounty on your head. That's like the police shown up and arresting someone only to have that person immediately slip out of their handcuffs arrest that police officer. No, you're arrested. What no you're no, you are you were first sabotage the British were like we love to do. He clearly is not a fan of the governor. I bet we can get him to join our team in this war. The British were all too aware of defeats many ships cannons and very well trained men. They approach the pirate with the rank of captain in the Royal Navy. If he would just join them in their attack of America the feet thought it over and then decided to to work a different angle, he wrote many letters one of which went onto fiends husband revealing what the British had offered to Lafitte. I love me an old time. He let her here's what Lafitte wrote to Madame Delphine. Second husband Jamblangan in eighteen fourteen. It's dated for September eighteen fourteen. So though proscribed by my country. I will never let slip. And you of serving her or approving that she has never ceased to be dear to me prescribe. By the way, means condemned denounced or forbidden, and I don't add that out of being patronizing in assuming that you dear times Dono to means. I added because I did not meant is he just misspelled prescribed to be prescribed medicine was like what the fuck. How is how is his doctor country prescribed him? What what have they prescribed you do? Now. They've condemned him back to the letter of this. You'll see here convincing proof yesterday. The third of September there appeared here under a flag of truce a boat coming from an English Brig at anchor about two leagues from the past. Mr. nNcholas luckier, a British officer of high rank delivered me the following papers to directed to me it proclamation and the admirals instructions to that officer all here with enclosed you will see from their contents advantages. I might have to ride from that kind of association. I may have aided the parliament of duties. Of the custom house, but I have never ceased to be a good citizen and all the offense. I have committed. I was forced to buy certain vices in our loss. I love his pirate. Rationalization? This is what I hear him saying Louis is I know I know we've had our differences shit. You guys. You know, you have your laws and whatnot. But to be totally honest. I don't listen. I don't about those laws. Right. Only real. I chose not to follow those laws, and that's how I live my best life. But check this shit out. I'm proud to be an American. No that and overall other than the laws, I continually broke because if I want to be totally honest, I had to those laws are super fucked up, and they're kind of hurt my business. If you feel me so really is your fault to make dumb laws. I had to break to be a good American. 'cause like I'm like a straight a student when it comes to protecting the red white and blue that's to me what he's saying. Backed letter says in short, sir, I make the deposit. Tori of the secret on which perhaps depends the tranquility of our country, please to make such use of it as your judgments may direct dude with confidence. So, you know, you know, bro. You gotta do you. But if you guys blow me off, I wouldn't you know, because we both know with my hope the British are going to utterly mother. Fuck you and your whole world. So you know, you do what you feel is right for you. I may expatriate on this proof of patriotism, expatiates means to speak or write at length or in detail. I didn't know that one either. But I let the facts speak for self I presume, however to hope that such proceedings may obtain amelioration, the act of making something better really know that one of the situation of my unhappy brother with which view I recommend him particularly to your influence now I read that as bro. I'm a patriot. You know that that's the main reason I wanna help. However, my brother is imprisoned. And I would like to think if I help you out, you know, you can ameliorate the fuck out of his ass and get him out of that cell. You you feel me I'll help Beulah my brother go. All right. Then he keeps writing it is in the bosom of a just man of a true Merican endowed. We all qualities that on it in society that I think I'm depositing the interest of our common country and particularly concerns myself, our enemies have endeavoured to work on me by a motive which. Which few men would have resisted they represented to be a brother and items brother, who is to me, very DEA who's deliverer. I might become an I declined the proposal. Well, persuaded of his innocence. I am free from pretension as to the issue of a trial. But he is sick and not in a place where he can receive the assistance. His state requires. I recommend him to you in the name of humanity. Listen, John, blah, bro. Please British told me they're gonna bust. My brother the fuck out. However that may take a while and he's six so I'm have a lot of time. You know what I'm saying? So how about you take care of him? And I take care of you. As to the fact of truce, I have done with regard to its everything that prudence suggests to me at that time, I have asked fifteen days to determine assign such plausible pretext that I hope that term. We'll be granted. I am waiting for the British officers answer and for yours to this be so good to assist me with your judicious counsellor. And so. A weighty in a fair. I have the honour to salute you zone Lafite. Out of all the people. He could ride this letter. He writes Mademoiselle fiends husband. He's writing, you know, essentially as to who he should help fight the British or the Americans and Jean blank, we can safely assume advises him to side with America because that's exactly what he does the shocked governor Clairborne he thought this was a trick just to facilitate the escape of the Lafitte, brother. It was not it can be argued that his help actually turned the battle in the war into America's good fortune had met him. They'll scenes husband advised him differently. The map at US look very differently today or theoretically, not exist at all if you play different scenarios, but governor Clairborne he almost ruined everything. He still wasn't convinced that Lafitte the man who put a price on his head earlier was earnest and his offer of aid, and he ordered an attack defeats pirate headquarters. Luckily, the governor's men were no match for the feats men. And then when general Jackson heard about this not happy with the governor's decision. He reached out to this pilot was like, oh before you go to the British for governor Claiborne, FOX itself for all of us. Let's talk. Delvina husband continues to lobby the New Orleans government, take the fees help. And then general Jackson, you know, ends up meeting this pirate on Royal street with Laffite, you know, where he accepts the pirates offers that were meets with Laffite gives me where accepts the pirates offer to help as fate would have it the place chosen chosen for the final. Battleground is the childhood home of Madame Delphine. The McCarty plantation is just a short distance down the river from New Orleans and was then owned operated by dolphins. Cousin? Andrew Jackson would dig in and make stand there. Make his stand there that would later help him catapult him to the presence because it was a very successful stint. So Jackson's ragtag army brought Lafitte cannons ashore pointed in towards the sea. The British navy attacked hard over a hundred cannon struck the McCarty plantation in the first ten minutes of fighting. But the British aim was thankfully off and then the pirate led American cannons wreaked havoc on the British fleet. Lafitte men were battle hardened soldiers. And they're helping all the difference. The British suffered almost twenty five hundred casualties compared to just a handful of Americans the British had to retreat and their leaders are Edmund Parkin ham was killed this. Unexpected loss was a defining and unifying moment in the history of the United States. The US had the collective will to come together and defense of their newly pen constitution and their hard-fought independence was one again. Andrew Jackson JAL feet. Both went onto become famous, gene. Block. However, ended up being relegated to being mostly known as the second husband of Madame del Fien pretty cool lupita history there also for a little closure on this story line here. Lafitte the pirate. Did earn a pardon for that brother and some other pirates who had been incarcerated by governor Clairborne they'd bounce on over to the waters outside of Galveston island after the war outside of Texas there and build an army of pirates they legitimately had an army pirates. The brothers would also work as spies for Spain during Mexico's war of independence, and then Jean Lafitte is believed to have died after getting wounded in battle in eighteen twenty three. Okay. Last point Dell fans. Tailfins life with Blunk. Although there aren't too many sources to corroborate this. It would seem she became, you know, fell into possession of a lot of rare and illegal items and substances from his privateer, Ian. And and that made her a lot of money is reported to have loved to host parties, increasingly lavish parties at the block mansion, and you know, probably hasn't pretty cool party favors. Probably the best damn sugar and coffee, those pirates could steal and so far. Yeah. So far in the sucks seems like she lived a lavish pampered in scandal free life in the sense that yeah, what she did was not or what her husband did. There was not necessarily moral, obviously, but you know, benefited greatly and no nobody locally cared. So so far, no no dark sinister. Anything is associated with Madame Delphine. The only real tough breaks, you seem to have as being a child, right? In eighteen sixteen Jean-Pierre block dies would we Delfi? And again, this time at the age of twenty nine some sources say he died in eighteen some sources say he didn't die but fled and abandoned phen-. No one seems to know how he died the. Probably that they'll fiend spent the next twelve years, a single mother, a very rich, very powerful single mother. We have almost no records of how she lived her life during this period. We don't know what you thought or what you talked about. We do have one court record from eighteen nineteen in July eighteen nineteen court records show that Madame dill phen- did something that initially doesn't seem like it matches up very well with the kind of person. You know, she would become infamous for being someone who tortured and killed slaves. The records of parish court show that Marie Delfin McCarty. Widow of the late. John blank presented in a man's patient petition to the court noted that she intended to emancipate her male slave named Jean Louis who is upwards of fifty years of age she declared that Jean Louis was all had always lead. An honest conduct was his life had not run away had not committed any crime Mademoiselle Fien asked a court to order that the notices prescribed by lobby published in the usual place in form in order to enable her to emancipate her slave. And again, this seems like a nice thing to do at first right at least nice for the times, a pro possibly and probably not this could have in fact been pretty cruel act, sometimes slave owners would emancipate or free elderly slaves. So they just didn't have to provide for them in their senior years, which most plantation slave owners actually did do. But sometimes when when these these slaves were unable to keep working for them. They would quote unquote, free some poor destitute. Crippled senior leave them elderly often disabled without a penny to their name to somehow fend for themselves and their last year's pretty fucked up. I don't know if this is what Madam del fiend did. But it's worth pointing out on January twenty eighth eighteen twenty eight now forty year old Delfi Mary's again, her third and final husband the man who made her Madame Delphine Lowery was Dr Leonard Louis Nicolas lottery. Dr Louis is said in virtually all the sources to be significantly younger than Delfin. But none of the sources seem to know his actual age. I'm confident he's probably a lot older than thirteen though how we're going to be was flipped around. And he was thirteen that he described as a nondescript man with a hint of darkness about him. Dr Lori grew up in France, who's a mediocre medical student actually dental student who venture. Graduated from dental school in to loose after graduation, a of repaired immigrate to Louisiana, and at that time, which is so interesting to me dentists and doctors were interchangeable like you you could go to one school to become just the doctor of all things medical. I believe we learned that in the the doc Holliday suck. He left France on a boat called the fanny on December eight twenty four arrived in New Orleans February thirteenth eighteen twenty five. One month average, arrival Dr Lori sought to establish a medical practice New Orleans. He didn't started what some describe is a successful medical practice. Others ascribe as moderately successful. At the time. There was virtually zero regulation medicine, and it was as I said super common from a meta for medical professionals just to skip from field to field, which was cracks me up. You know, you could be a dentist and a surgeon same thing one document shows that Lowery build a man for making a potion to treat a six slave historical details like this, actually. I've helped fueled the rumors that lottery would later medically experiment in horrific ways, you know, on the slaves. He owned with Madame Lowery, you know, that he going into evil shit like cut him open or sell their mouth shut. Also, fueling the legend, the Dr Lori medically experiment on his slaves is the reality. The doctors did that quite often. Here's one of many examples of this which I feel like is important context for our story today in eighteen ninety four the journal of the American Medical Association announced it for the first time in American history. A public statue had been erected to the memory of a member of the medical profession j Marion SIMS I unveiled in Bryant park in New York City that monument board inscription celebrating a physician, whose brilliant achievements. Carried the fame of American surgery throughout the civilized world. Sims had designed the vaginal specula- m- developing a treatment for Vesic vaginal fistula of v f and he'd built. Such successful medical career promoting VF repair that he would later be dubbed, the father of modern gynecology. I mean, pretty cool. Right. Not exactly this Vivey treatment. He developed came as the result of a lot of terrible vaginal experiments. He performed on African American slaves and doctors did that shell the time. And last year two thousand eighteen New York City's public design commission voted unanimously to remove his statue. All right. So there is that. Okay. Now, let's lighten tobacco lighten it up a bit this this next detail about Dr Lori is ridiculous upon arriving in the US. Dr Lori sent a letter to the editor of the courier announcing the following to establish his medical practice in that city and keep in mind, just for extra comedy that you know, technically is a dentist. He he writes. I pray you to announce and you'll next number that a French physician has just arrived in the city who is acquainted with the means lately discovered in France of destroying hunches the. Individuals submitted to the operations required ceases deformity, gradually diminish an after a treatment longer or shorter. According to the extent of the deformity, the body resumes its natural forms that discovery has met with the greatest success in France. And everything induces the belief that it will have the same result in this country early nineteenth century when Dennis or working on hunchback's whiskey. Saw. I just love it overdue. I let me get a good little those choppers. Okay. Allow you laying around you hunt. You bit. Oh, hey, you got quite a hunch there could I conducted take that down right after a POS teeth. You know what I'm out it? Well, I'm gonna check your circulation for that. I I could try to make sure you're not pregnant, you know, Jake pulse. Kentucky about from potions various ailments of the stomach and such. And then let's get you some new eyeglasses and how much leeann the counter-bid and talk about your feelings, Dr one stop shop. That's what they called me whiskey. Solid dentist. Oh, God horseback. By the end of eighteen twenty eight they'll fiend has her first child with Dr Lori Jean-Louis her six child overall of keeping score. An individ-. Del phen- sells the family plantation and purchases. Lots for the construction of a new house on September twelfth eighteen thirty one upon this land. Edmonds Sonia DA Forsa constructed a magnificent mansion the French quarter at eleven forty Royal street, boom, we've made it took us a while had to go through a lot of how to Wade through a lot of history to get here. But now, we're at the current address of the original house of horse. No other buildings stood there before its construction the house that sits today is not the original structure, but obviously built on the same lot the buildings. We see today is a much larger version of the original this all brings us to the dark side of Madam Laurie lottery. House Laurie mansions one of the most famous homes in New Orleans if not in the entirety of the United States, the original lottery home was magnificent two story Creole style structure with an interior courtyard like a lot of New Orleans homes. How would your fucking beautiful if you ever walk around do a lot of peeking through gates, not even kidding in the French quarter sealed his cooler courtyards in. Inside the blocks at several balconies to allow air to circulate throughout the house. They decorated opulent Lii and filled the property with gorgeous furniture and the finest art the couple regularly threw lavish parties and were irregular feature in the society pages of the local paper. So all we may know a lot about we may not know excuse me. We don't know a lot about our thoughts is we do have historical documentation that she liked to party not gonna let six kids stop that. Like all public lives. The attention was a double edged sword in the case of Dell FINA Louis or Lewis. It would swing back to cut their heads off. Right. By the end of eighteen thirty two just a year after moving in the marriage had began to sour and the two hill but separated, so maybe it's the location. That's haunted. You know, nothing. Nothing weird is written about her until she moves here by Tober of eighteen thirty two rumors of the lottery, strange slave abuse begins to circulate or begin to circulate around New Orleans. Also in the fall of eighteen thirty two delphin, and Dr Lori petitioned the court to free one another of a two free. Excuse me to free another one of their slaves. Kind guest your or more cruelty? I guess gesture. I'm immense. Say gesture on November sixteen to eighteen thirty two Delfi and petitions for from four Jesus in a fish oil separation from Lou is the charge was Lewis was beaten her. Remember, these French wants to Lewis comes up Louis Louis if I go back and forth. It's the same dude. Her historians disagree as to whether or not this abuse actually happened. They'll FINA system that the abuse was ongoing. Here's a foreign statement from her Representative in court on the twenty six Tober last in the presence of many witnesses the said Louis Alary went so far as to not only ill-treat her, but was to beat and wound her in the most outrageous and brutish manner wherefore the plaintiff praise your honor to authorize her to sue her said husband for a separation from bed and board and Thenceforth to grant her decreed that they be separated from bed and board to authorize her to live separately from her said husband, so. You know, probably probably was being this makes me think that this new guy did beat her. She didn't seem to be one to make you know, a fictional claims. There's no record of her doing this with either one of her first husband's. So that's interesting to me as I as I think about what goes on coming up. This of course, is not usually brought up in a folklore of the subject. But yeah, definitely has questions the narrative, right? One question is edge questions. One question is were there was there any correlation between the freemen of the slave and Delfin cessation separate from her husband, you know, in some accounts. Both these events happened on the same day. Did they'll Fain try and intervene on this particular slaves behalf? You know, was the doctor the sadists and Madame lottery. One of his victims was this man, beaten, this other slaves, so terribly that, you know, Delfin thought that she had to free this person. We may never know. But again, it's it is interesting that there were no rumors of ill-treatment between Madame lottery and her slave during her first two marriages, no rumors of her ever mistreating slaves prior to Dr lottery, and then the rumors start around the same time. She takes her husband to court for spousal abuse by she frees a slave when she when she does that all makes you wonder what was really going on after the official separation Delfin remained to the Royal street address. Her. Her husband is still comes and goes from this place, they're separated, but not like entirely apart. You know, we'll see later this really infamous fire that happens. He was at the residence when all the shit went down that led to their legend. Yeah. So okay, we're gonna we're gonna move forward. Chronologically here a little more in a bit. But we're going to detour into some voodoo who do context that adds to her legend, and and we're going to stay in the same period for quite some time. So how about we hop on out of today's time suck time line? Good job soldier made it back. Ben. Right now, we're going to get to some some gruesome stories accounts of the story, the this pillar of New Orleans horror lore, trillion or stand. Why the accounts of Delfi murder so graphic, and frankly, so strange we have to understand things about voter and hoodoo and and a good way to get into New Orleans voodoo hoodoo is to introduce an important historical contemporary of del fiends, Marie Lavoro the voodoo Queen of New Orleans if you've ever been there, they all kinds of stuff dedicated her certainly a future times that candidate Marie Catherine Lavoro again known as voodoo Queen of New Orleans born in New Orleans September tenth eighteen o one. Just thirteen years. I guess fourteen years after Madame dill Fien, she was the illegitimate daughter of a Freeman of color and Creel mother her connection with Delfin, not well documented, however, it is referencing some dark New Orleans folklore, which I think has to have added to the dark legend of Madame Delphine one story stems from New Orleans painter Ricardo. Who's Daniel locally famous for his paintings of Madame lottery and the devil baby. Baby cap capitalized, it's not just any random, Debbie to the devil. Baby. He stated in an interview some New Orleans natives claimed ill phen-, and Dr Lori were associated with the actual devil, baby. They spawn of Satan, this was supposedly a deformed or insane child rumored to be the spawn of a mortal woman and a demon possibly Satan himself. So, you know, it's probably for sure true. I did look up some devil baby stats, and according to the national society of unquestionable facts based in Washington, DC, six point seven devil babies are born each and every year in Louisiana loan. Seventy five percent of them appear evil did their twenty five percent or mostly evil hundred percent of them grow to be circus clowns. So there are some facts I made up, but of course, there's not a real devil baby. But a lot of people have believed there was some people still do they think Madame Delphine in Nevada Queen we're really in league with Satan and had something to do with bringing a devil baby into this. Plane of existence legend states that the baby was found or or conjured somehow by the Queen and then given to phen- and her husband raise some would claim to the devil. Baby was delta godchild weird story detail right to devote acquaint found the devil baby. But gave it to Madame Delphine to race. Why didn't you want? I'm guessing della BBB hard hard kid race, right? Go clean your room up bitch. I'm devil. I'll clean your fucking clock. When you fall tonight. If you need me, I wanna be out, you know, the back skin some cats until I feel like stopping. And a devil baby skin. Catch actually actually reminds me that I need to talk real quick about today's final sponsor one. Last sponsor time suck is brought to you today by Ed campers pet sickles at Kemper the maker of pet cycles and pet kebabs cat and dog heads mostly cat heads violently cut off in jammed on sticks. And then either grilled or frozen for your culinary pleasure. Will Ed has a new product just in time for some birthday. Parties can't kick pops. Oh, man. Amid Kemper and. I want you to listen to me talk about cat K pups. If you do not, listen, there's a real good chance, you're gonna get more samples Cohen and all star thinking about mother and your Linda put a fucking stick. Any anyway, my khaki pops or cat heads that had been baked into delicious cakes. 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But certainly interesting rumor of Madame LA LA La Rue raising a devil, baby. She got from voodoo queens, certainly attitude or dark legend ties her to the religion of voodoo and the bloody dark magic of hoodoo if hoodoo voodoo we're actually a big part of Madame Delphine lotteries life, and we don't know for sure that they weren't would explain some of the very specifically gory blood ritual, look and shit. She supposedly did to her slaves for what could have been many years, but more specifically from eighteen thirty one eighteen thirty four. So what is fhu and hoodoo? Well, I I'll do is a word that will forever. Remind me of Reverend Dr Joel motherfucking pays favorite song by God's MAC. I've had this earworm in my head a lot this week. And now, I'm going to infect you. And but mostly though, I'm doing this to infect a Reverend paisley not the one who so far away. Feel the snake? Buy in to in. Switch into Michael McDonald? Now doll remember Hooker? Who every wasn't making McDonald's? Wow. How would he sing that? I can't do it. I can't do it. It's too hard to hard to combine one really distinct. Melody with another very distinct voice, I'm not the one who so far fucking. Thank you for that. One silly guessing you're still playing paying your bills that nine hundred ninety nine Diddy his everything about that. Like, I do some yards a song twenty five years ago royalty checks pay for their life the rest of their life. Okay. Food who is a religion. That was brought to the west by slaves originated from Africa hailing from the West Indies and late eighteenth century. It's believed to have started in Haiti in seventeen twenty four has deeper roots in the much older African practice of of ood moon, practiced by many different African cultures for very many for many centuries. Gives me a vote on a voodoo has a number of God's rituals and practices that can be found in today's vote do through slavery of Odin traditions spread out to places as distant from each other as Cuba. Brazil Haiti the Dominican Republican North America. When slaves were brought to the states many were forced to convert to Catholicism. By their new slave masters in order to keep a connection to the religion of their homelands. The slaves had to hide their gods. This is a classic example of religious syncretism. Right. Uniting of different religions into one new school of thought into a religion, the slaves integrated Catholicism into their voting beliefs merging, their ancestor gods and rituals with Catholic saints and practice and created a new hybrid religion foodie was practiced and displayed publicly in New Orleans during Madame Lowery's life so much. So that laws were passed to keep it in check due to its increasing popularity in seventeen eighty two Louisiana's then governor Galvez prohibited. The importation of of black people for Martinique explained that they quote or too much given to them and make the lives of citizens unsafe. This ban was lifted in eighteen zero three but the Christian fear of voodoo remained plantation owners fleeing the revolution in the West Indies began arriving a few years later, bringing with them considerable numbers of West Indian slaves when Haitian. Activities of arrived in New Orleans became even more popular even more public of voodoo became more popular still after the signing of the Louisiana purchase nature. No three the relationship between blacks and whites was less volatile under American rule than it was previously at least in New Orleans that time of voodoo flourished and the sect gained a significant number of converts. Some of the imagery that we are familiar with is is a snake sacrifice. Right. The drinking of blood before looked into this. I remember some some samba shit too. All right. There's definitely some zombie stuff voodoo has all kinds of energy rituals. As you also might imagine a bunch of aboard, Louisiana debutantes took a liking some of them to the exotic forms of spirituality and acts that were generally seen as taboo, some of them became a bit obsessed with them, right? Made for good gossip few Louisiana whites publicly practice voodoo, but many gleefully observed and spied on the proceedings, right? I can picture that. Just oh my goodness Marie. They're cutting head. Head off a chicken. Oh, how dreadful and look at that man dancing. How sinful oh that dark man with the chiseled apps and all the muscles in his chest and arms in that high tight, but on a strong JAL line. Look at those soulful penetrating sinful is why it's all just so dreadful. Did it just get a lot more humid in here prior to any voodoo activity a common ritual was the is to raise the power. This is when all worshippers press raises the power of all the worshippers present for this ritual for this ritual. Imagine a voodoo Queen and king stand on a box containing the snake. They join hands. The people this ritual. They literally transmit the power of the snake, everyone in attendance. Sometimes he fastened bells the outside of the box would shake it to produce a tinkling sound bewitching, the whole congregation in the midst of the gathering, there would be a boiling cauldron in which were thrown chickens, frogs cat snails. Maybe maybe some squirrel balls. We'll fuck we don't know for sure we weren't there. Always a snake? All these offerings were brought by various attendance. And this is where we get zombies. The dead brought back to life by the power of dark voodoo rituals. We'll save an indepth look into zombies, by the way for voodoo besa suck down the road. But the zombie part would be played by the by some male dancer, or or by the or the voodoo king representing the Legrand's zombie or the great zombie at this point in the ritual. Right. This power of you know, life over death at this point the ritual. Everyone present would would come forth to dance and drink from the snake or the evening supply of toffee raw alcoholic beverage, you know, completely possessed by snake power. So I guess they filled. The snake up some kind of fitter. I don't know. Maybe there during his blood the dancers repair off with lust in there is and the ritual with some. Times ended an actual orgy Hailu Safina now this kinda shit. Of course scared. A lotta white people think about early nineteenth century Christians hearing about or worse witnessing these rituals. Right. They undoubtably thought of them as being satanic. There was a growing concern. Amongst whites such meetings were you know, being held to to work black magic against them. The plot. Some kind of revolution for this reason. The city of New Orleans issued a municipal ordinance eighteen seventeen which forbade the gathering of slaves for dancing or any other purpose except on Sundays, and then only in places designated by the mayor super worried about this shit to the point that laws were being passed. This is the atmosphere. Madam lottery is living in one of our time suck researchers actually spoke with a practitioner of of do in a dedicated student of who do this person wished to remain anonymous, but did promise not to turn any of us into Samis the outline the similarities between of virgin vote do who do many Celtic Bavarian other. Early or other early people's traditions as we mentioned who do is the practice of folk magic while voodoo is the much larger religion in a way, you can think of is like Catholicism or Lutheranism or or being Methodist, and who is like thirty people who are all related in some way. Tending a snake handling service in a backwards Appalachian trailer park church adherence of do not necessarily practice. The much more blood related rituals of hoodoo. An example of hoodoo is the popular voodoo doll sounds counterintuitive voodoo and hoodoo or a few other voodoo dolls is considered a sympathetic magic. Otherwise, defined is use of personal effects facilitate change in a person's life for circumstances. Good or bad avoid Udal, which again is really who do starts out as a small cloth. Doll sown by the practitioner and the likeness of the target individual or into the light as the target individual the cloth can be made of any material. However, it's preferred the material come from the clothing of the target. The doll is fixed with a mix of herbs, right? Or herbs cloth personal items of the targeted like hair fingernails picture of drawing. Their name end or birthday written on a piece of paper and possibly possibly a couple pairs of balls. We don't know for sure probably not it's not run anywhere. Wants the doll has been completed practitioner will breathe life into the doll. And then so it's shut thinking about the the accusations of mouth sewn shut now in when they about the torturing the lotteries supposedly did from that point. The doll is like Chucky on crack rights believed to be a living breathing effigy of the target everything. The two who do who do or does to the doll is meant to affect the target like in that one Scooby doo episode with Globetrotters. Other examples of who practice or curses, like, stop, your slander, this ritual uses a cow tongue slice down the center and filled with peppers pins, rusty nails, and sometimes even urine man they say God works in mysterious ways to who do. God's mysterious shit all of these items are sewn into the cow tongue and nail to fucking tree. Targets prop property as one does to invoke spirit powers this curse dot to cause pain and discomfort in the target whenever they slander the who doer, and there's you know, ten tons of other spells that are done the do. And who do they get even more popular when yellow fever is brought on by mosquitoes and that ravages Louisiana region while slaves and free blacks get sick. They're able to get better while white Europeans die off and many attributed this to voodoo and who do as opposed to African-born people's immunity to the virus. Okay. Besides a culture of do and who do another cultural situation factions, Madame FINA Lowery legend was growing pushback against slavery and new law seeking to protect life's Madame ollery. With someone who owned a lot of slaves. Made a lot of money office lays came from a family who owned a lot of slaves hung around people who a lot of slaves and a lot of other people in New Orleans around the time. We're starting to think you know, what I don't know about this whole sleigh riding. It's it's almost like when you really think about it. It's super fucked up an anti-slavery movement have been alive in America's since the very beginning. Even some of the founding fathers, despite being slave owners went on record against it, a communists and business owners from the north would argue that slavery impeded economic growth when hiring cheap workers, you know, would actually be more practical since he didn't have to feed some Irish fellow when he was young you'd have to take care of him when he was old as as again, many southern slave owners actually did once they retired nations like England put their money and their lives of their own. Own soldiers on the line to end slavery throughout their empires. And beyond by the mid to late late nineteenth century for all intent and purpose of slavery was all but a radically did virtually everywhere except US the specifically, obviously, the south in Brazil treatment of slaves and laws dictate in the treatment range from state to state the Louisiana, code Noir or code of ethics relating to slaves. Read as follows we also forbid all of our subjects in this colony was ever there. Conditional ranked may be to apply on their own private authority the rack to their slaves under any pretense whatsoever. And to mutilate said slaves and any of their limbs or any part of their bodies under the penalty of the confiscation of said slaves in and said masters, so offending shall be liable to a criminal prosecution. We only permit masters when they think that their case requires it to put this lives in irons and to have them whipped with rods or ropes Louisiana, Noah seventeen twenty four. Now that's way back in seventy. Twenty four. How how crazy is that Louisiana? Legislators felt the need to pass a law forbidding physically mutilating, people, right? You don't pass a law like that in a staunch pro slavery area, in my opinion, unless a shit ton of mutilation is already going on which is starving. Like if Madame lottery herself did not mutilate slaves. I if if no one in her household mutilated her slaves. Other slaves were for sure mutilated in Louisiana was which is owned haunted tour worthy horror story. Okay. Now, all the cultural context has been laid out. So so how did Madame Lowery truly become known for being a torture of slaves? It all started with a fire on April tenth eighteen thirty four fire broke out in the lottery resonance on Royal street starting in the kitchen when the police and fire marshals arrived. They supposedly find the cook a seventy year old woman chained to the stove by her ankle. This cook allegedly later said that she had set the fire as a suicide attempt. Because she feared being punished. She said that slaves taken to the uppermost room of the house. Never came back as reported in the New Orleans be the very next day. April eleven to eighteen thirty four bystanders responding to the fire attempted to enter the slave quarters to ensure that everyone had been evacuated upon being refused. The keys by the lotteries. The bystanders broke down the doors to the slave quarters and found quote, seven slaves more or less horribly mutilated suspended by the neck with their limbs apparently stretched and torn from one extremity to the other who claimed to have been imprisoned there for some months. One of those who entered the premises was judge Jules Francois Kanye JR. Who later wrote for the New Orleans be or what he said was later printed excuse me in the New Orleans be he said. The following deposition, stating the material facts attendant upon the horrible disclosures at the late configuration has been made by judge Colnago before or knowledge fucking whatever's names, God, damned French English. This judge see fuck it is judge see coming from the source does is entitled to full credence. We shall make no comments. But let's documents speak for itself. The the punt. Declares that on Thursday. Some of these things are hard to because it's written English. But like with an Asterix, they have so many archaic words fucking people. Why can't they just speak the same language as me, which is not good English? Anyway, on Thursday, the tenth of fire took place on the premises of MS or MRs Lowery that this is poorly written that he repaired as a citizen for the purpose of affording any assistance within his power that on arriving there. He was apprised of there being one of the apartments some slaves who were chained and who were from their situation exposed to perish in the conversation. And he's and he said a bunch of other stuff in this letter. The basically he gets this thing of he he claims that he talked to the lorries, and I'm just kind of summarizing now, I was originally planning on reading this all, but it's just it's written so bad. He was planning on, you know, trying to help people who are trapped inside ask the res to give them no to let. Let these people in let him and some other people in to help the other trapped inside and says it lotteries were just like now. Now, we don't don't worry about it. And basically just refused to help them. And so they had to break open the doors. I'll go back and do it for a second there. And he and then he says accompanied by the citizens with him he ended and found to Negras with incarcerated whom he'd liberated from this den. Several voices were heard that were other victims in the kitchen, he repaired thither, but found no one that one of the negro had an iron collar, very large and very heavy and was chained with heavy irons by the feet that she walked with the greatest difficulty that he was unable to examine the one behind that one individual whom he believes to be Mr. yet said to him. He knew of another slave was confined he ended with this gentleman to another apartment where upon someone's removing a mosquito Baugh an old negro was found with the deep wound in her head. She appeared to be quite feeble too much show to be able to walk then the demont design. Some of the persons present to have her removed to the mayor's office where the first two had been moved demanded, Mr. Lowery, if he had any slaves in his GARRETT'S somebody's I guess we're trying to ask him. Hey, man. Do you have any more people in he'd be helped he replied and insulting tone that they were persons who will do better by remaining at home and visiting others to dictate to them laws inequality of officious friends. Okay. So here's what I just got from that. No one saw a buckets of body parts littered littering the room or a woman with her skin peeled into a spiral. You know? So she resembles I'm gonna Caterpillar like New Orleans ghost guy tour guide will tell you. But seems several people who were witnesses to the fire did find other human beings, you know, slave shackled inside in irons. You know, it does appear that a lot of res didn't seem interested in saving them that they seemed very okay with letting them be burned alive ended, the, you know, these people inside were very very very mistreated and in another article from the time, they're report. The people witnessing the bodies of quote mutilated slaves that doesn't look good. All right. I think there is a there's starting to be more truth as legend than I originally thought. There was going to be following that eighteen thirty four fire. The New Orleans be also reported that an angry mob formed around the Delphine home wants the fire was put out and the sheriff and his officers like when people started hearing about the atrocities as opposed you went on. And they're in a sheriff and his officers were called in to disperse the crowd. And then the paper reported the by the time, the mob left the Royal street. Property had sustained major damage with quote scarcely anything remaining, but the walls the paper also reported the slaves who survived the fire were taken to a local jail where they were made available for public viewing the New Orleans be reported by April twelfth up to four thousand people had attended to view the slaves to convince themselves of their sufferings that doesn't look good. I mean still is now reports of crude sex changes in crappy would still a lot of horrible shit. But but how did that story? Grow into the story of today will an early British social theorists named Harriet Martineau has a lot to do with that Harriet is widely considered the world's first female sociologist. She was contemporary of lotteries who traveled to New Orleans two years after the rumors of slave torture. Two years after the fire in eighteen thirty six to interview locals in her findings. She did note that Madame Delphine slaves. Look, haggard and wretched and appearance. That's what people told her Harry reported that one of lotteries neighbors, one saw one of the lottery slaves, a twelve year old girl named Leah fall to her death from the roof of the Royal street mansion, we'll try and to avoid punishment from a whip wilting del phen- Lowery. This is an important piece of the puzzle. That speaks to her direct involvement in slave abuse. There are several different versions of the story. Here is the main one Lee was combing Madame lotteries hair and eighteen thirty four. Madam lottery, roughly forty seven years old at this time, apparently at some point she tugs, the Madame's hair too hard Delfin goes fucking beserk over right grabs. A nearby bull whip and chases after this young girl whose exact age is not given the accounts. I read accounts vary widely a regarding what happened next. There were allegedly witnesses to this but their stories about this event. Do vary. Bit some accounts say Leo was first beaten with the whip. And then kind of thrown off the roof most accounts over say, she ran the side of Madame Delphine grabbing bull whip all accounts do have her running from Adam Dale Fain, and ultimately falling or being pushed to her death from either the roof of the home or from an upstairs window. So did she jump, you know, from from the home from the roof of the home to escape d'ici that she trip she pushed these are some of the questions around these events that will likely never be completely answered. But there are records that showed that, you know, Madame Adelphia was fined for her involvement in the death of this girl. Find a measly three hundred dollars, but still. You know, there's a record of this happening and of her being guilty of this happening. Some kind of abuse according to Harriet Martineau this incident led to investigation the lotteries in which they were found guilty of illegal cruelty to other slaves and then forced they were forced to forfeit nine additional slaves. Sadly, these nine slaves were brought were bought back. You know by the lotteries through in through through a relative relative go by back, then give them to the Madame Dell. Fina husband, and they were returned to the royalist residents. You know, sadly shit like that happened all the time. Interesting to note that the lotteries gotten legal trouble for slave mistreatment during era of history when it was the norm to mistreat slaves, which leads me to believe that the very least, you know, these people were especially sadistic and cruel March. No also recounted stories that the lottery kept her cook chained to the kitchen stove that she beat her daughters when they attempted to feed slaves the pits. Pittsfield son writing several weeks after the evacuation of Lowery slave quarters following the fire claim that two of the slaves found in the Laura imagine a died since the rescue. And then added we understand that in digging in the yard bodies have been disinterred. And that the condemned well in the grounds of the mansion having been uncovered others, particularly that of a child were found. So, you know, more bodies are found secretly buried on the property ten years later, another author will darken the already dark tale of Madame Lilo read, the American novelist, George Washington, cable, probably the most famous writer to spread the lottery. Legend. He was born in Louisiana in eighteen forty four. He fought for the confederate army later became a journalist and historian Creole life before and after the civil war painted, an incredible picture of pride opulence, racism and money his eye for detailing the battle between the Americans and French Creole was remarkable, especially in his famed novel. The Grandes seems a he conveyed a sense disapproval toward the racism still present in Louisiana after the civil war cable, eventually moved to Massachusetts became friends with Mark Twain and actually did some book lecture tours together and an end in his book. Strange true stories of Louisiana originally published eighteen eighty nine he told a lot of retail. He didn't include medical experiment injuries in the list of tortures suffered by the slaves. But he did corroborate claims of household slaves being terribly mistreated and then being freed by others during and after the terrible fire and his accounts are backed up with original documents and depositions given after the incident in eighteen thirty four and then decades later in nineteen forty six. John de LA Wien wrote ghost stories of old New Orleans. This is the book most likely responsible for some of the gory or embellishments on what the rescuers found during the lottery house fire of eighteen thirty four including stories of medical experiments and buckets of body parts. No documentation to back up aspects of these aspects of the story, Dale Levin wrote a horror story, not a historical book, but his book has been treated as a historical accounts since arm. Sorry, genie, not, gene. So it's a she genie day Levin. She wrote, for example, the man who smashed the garage door saw powerful male slaves. Stark naked chained to the wall. There is gouged out. Their fingernails pulled out by the roots. Others had their joint skinned and festering great holes in their buttocks where the flesh had been sliced away their ears hanging by shreds their lips sewn together their tongues drawn out and sewn to their chins severed hand stitched bellies lay. Legs pull joint from joint female slaves. There were their mouths and ears Cran with ashes and chicken awful and bound tightly others had been smeared with Honey, and we're a massive black. Ants intestines were pulled out a nodded around naked wastes there will holes in skulls were rough. Stick had been inserted inserted to stir the brains some of the poor creatures were dead, some were unconscious and a few were still breathing suffering agonies beyond any power to describe. And again, that's a hor- novel were they really ended up and clearly integrated a bunch of do who do stuff, and then, you know, since it's kind of become part of the, you know, quote, unquote, factual mythology and then in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight the stories taken even further embellished further by book called journey into darkness goes and vampires of New Orleans by cat Trina Catharina Smith who is the operator of a New Orleans ghost tour business Smith book at a more explicit details. Such as you know, a victim, obviously. Had her arms amputated in her skin peeled off in a circular pattern, making her look like a human Caterpillar and another who had her limbs broken and reset it ought angle. So she resembled a human crap other specific tales of atrocities not document about early eye. Witnesses have also wove their way into delving story stories of people chained to walls and strapped to tables stretched and torn people were suspended by their next which would also stretched and torn, you know, an and you know, in those some of those actually were in some of those early newspaper accounts, you know, women wearing a cruel spiked iron collar, callers, one story that a woman allegedly had her mouth forced open feces of some kind shoved in and then her lips shut again fucking hoodoo. And then there's yeah, there's that whole story gets told by law the tour guys about the guy with with the spoon sticking out of his head. You know, had the whole drilled in the spoon sticking out. There was meant to quote star his mind, or, you know, drive him stir crazy another potential who legend. There are tales of a female slave a found hung to the rafters by arisen her intestines wrapped around her body, which was supposedly thought to be some who do practice some ritual and other county that after the fire workers found a number of bones buried on the boards in the yard. Or in addition to you know in the yard. All right. So that's that's those are all the legends. So what about the law? The res what happened to them will Harriet Martineau that sociologist road in eighteen thirty eight that Madame del Fien fled New Orleans during the mob violence if all fire taking a coach to the waterfront than traveling by schooner to mobile, Alabama. And then traveling on from there to Paris looks like she fled alone. The doctor do not seem to stay together at all following the fire. You know, Dr law re sorta just disappears around eighteen forty two that year. He sent a letter that had been seen or that we found he's had this letter from Cuba to a friend in New Orleans, basically asking if they could send him some of. Shit after the separation everything stuff that was still New Orleans Mademoiselle Fien Martineau wrote that she had her six-year-old son by Louis Lowery Jean-Louis with her. She also had her three of her adult children, according to Harriet and other accounts once still female into French. She just kinda kept living your life. And as if she had not done something horrific. She could not be prosecuted in France for what she allegedly a New Orleans, contrary to a lot of other accounts. She didn't have to live in secret genie. Dolphins daughter by John blank, allegedly visited her mom in Paris in late eighteen thirties with her children and husband as shown by numerous pieces of correspondence found in the Missouri history archives. Madame ollery, supposedly, thrived and Paris. You conducted business in France, pay taxes, even supposedly financed the repair of residence. She still had a New Orleans not the Royal street one. But a different one that you rented out there are several accounts of dolphins death that have been entertained by storytellers and historians one report suggests that she was killed by a wild boar hunting. Accident and France, while another more likely a story ran in the New Orleans paper the times picayune March eighteen ninety two said that she died amongst friends and family in Paris. You know, as a quite old apparently yell if if she died in eighteen ninety two she'd been over a hundred years old she might have made it back to New Orleans before she died in the late nineteen thirties. Eugene backs who serves Sexton to Saint Louis Saint Louis cemetery number one until nineteen twenty four discovered an old cracked copperplate in the alley four cemetery rally force gives me that cemetery. The inscription the plate read reads, Madame Lowery born Madame born Marie Delphine McCarty died in Paris, December seven th eighteen forty two at the age of sixty something that final number was apparently missing a road it. But you know, if she died in eighteen forty two then she would have been well, she would have been quite sixty. She would have been like a fifty seven. All the numbers a little little fish. But it, but these are all all the things that are said, where's she buried? We don't know gene block the block daughters and Madame lottery all rest unknown burial sites. But there's lots of speculation. There's speculation that she's in one of those, you know, New Orleans cemetery. There's a couple of throwing around is possibly one of the number the number two crypt in the forestall plots one of the forestall plots in Saint Louis cemetery. What about the house where the slaves were probably tortured will after a lotteries death. It was it was purchased and at some point prior to eighteen eighty eight it was restored over the following decades. It was used as a public high school conservatory of music and apartment building a refuge for young delinquent bar has written a furniture store a luxury apartment building. And then as I said earlier, nNcholas cage bought it in two thousand seven, and then the current owner is, you know, someone with the regions financial corporation is last record that I found. Okay. Sorry that there's one who was a little bit all over the place. We actually spent more time on this one than than a lot of recent ones man when you look into this tale, it is super super hard to decipher folklore from actual facts. You know, the court records themselves are hard to read because people spoke in fucking weird formal crazy ask krill version of English. Here's my final thoughts. You know, they're made knob anybody's in the attic, you know. But they did supposedly up skeletons from the yard. There is evidence of a lot of mistreatment for sure including the controversial death of twelve year old Leah was the abuse worse than what other slave owners were probably committed to the time. I think it was I think it was probably quite a bit worse even even here internally. And to suck dungeon, there's some disagreement on this. But I think I think a lot of the legend actually is true. I think it's going to be impossible to determine if you abuse came at the hands of either Dr Lori or Madame del fi lottery, but based on the lease tail and the fine. She was given a does seem. Madam dolphin might have become quite cruel in her later years. I mean, there's also you know, this. I mean, you know, the the possibility that a lot of that was under the influence of Dr lottery because again, none of this stuff happened at least, documented wise until he came into the picture. I don't know. Maybe it was his influence. Maybe she was covering for him. Most the time there's I witness accounts of her, you know, not carrying slaves were trapped in a burning structure, you know, many witnessed or slaves in a poor physical states in again how much of that was her and how much of it was her husband. I I do think that he was probably a much bigger monster than she was, you know, could some of this been false testimony. Yes. We'll never know. But we do know that they both were run at a town because of tales of mistreatment, you know, tales started being printed the day after the fire not necessarily years later. People got so mad about her treatment slaves, an angry mob attacked your property. You know, two decades before the civil war. I don't think that happens unless you've gone fuck and way outside the bounds of what was acceptable to time and a certain level. Of abuses slaves was acceptable that time. So to receive the press she did to flee town like she did to flee the whole country as her and her estranged husband who ended up in Cuba. Did that leads me to believe that, you know, the two of them or at least one of them were terrible. Terrible. Terrible people. Do I think you raise a devil baby and broke people's bones to reshape them into crappy? Fuck no. But I do think she may have done shit that was equally horrific. I mean, as we learned doctors really did do horrific medical experiments on slaves. You know, the rumors of abuse didn't begin until after she married a doctor. That's a weird coincidence. If it's not outright incriminating. I think there's a good chance. There was some weird experiments done those poor people. But without more details. I mean, this is just my speculation and opinion, we'll never know the full story, which is why her former home, it's such a popular spot for goes tour. Right. There's a lose to all kinds of horrible dark shit. There's the do who do angles. I mean, it makes for a great ghost tour tail because there will forever be the possibility that that some mad woman New Orleans really did do horrific shit deserving of a later depiction as that monster Kathy Bates portrayed in the third season of American horror story. It's a crazy tail for sure with or without the voodoo or who do elements. Take a take a few more. Looks back at his tail in today's top five takeaways time. By the way. Number one, the tale of Madame Dale Fain is a fascinating mix. A fact folklore did she mistreat slaves and possibly even torture them. I'm gonna say she probably did did you turn them into human caterpillars and crap people and raised della baby. No, probably not number two did Madame dill Fien or her third husband perform, a horrible medical experiments on slaves possibly me. Personally. I think probably I have no hard evidence of that. But we do know the doctors related perform these experiments number three Jean Pierre blank Delfin. Second husband was fucking pie. Writ pretty cool, or at least to due to rain with its. He was also a lawyer whose association with pirates helped save America in the war of eighteen twelve fun side detail number four Saturday. The most important witnesses to this whole story would never likely interviewed not that we know of the slaves that lived in the Laurie house due to racism known ever seem to ask them what they thought about this certainly a missed opportunity to know a lot more about this story. Number five, new info. You want to go on the tour? I went on the sparked my interest in this topic. Check out go city tours in New Orleans. They're not a sponsor too. It's just a business that I you know, I went I thought it was cool. They'll walk you around the French quarter talk at length about the legends of Madame. They'll Fien Viduka Queen, you know, Marie Lavoro patients Dombi tons of huntings. I recommend it highly. If you like it in the dark folklore is highly morbidly entertaining hail, LUSA FINA time. Takeaway. Episode has been sucked. Right. New Orleans sucked. Gin already look forward to getting back there for the next suck. What an interesting city. Interesting tale. Fascinated makes a history true crime in folklore. Hope you liked as much as we did here in the suck Dench wasn't too convoluted. Big thanks to the time up team. Thanks to Queen suck. Lindsey come as high priests karma camp. Jesse guardian of grammar donor, Reverend Dr Joe paisley, timescale, high priest Alex Dugan. The guy's a bit elixir danger brain access apparel, thanks to New Orleans native and upcoming summer intern here in the suck dungeon self. Sophie fact, sorceress evidence hope Sophie enjoyed what I did with the beginnings of her research and huge thanks again to new fulltime suck dungeon, employees and hetero. 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They don't have shown the KGB KGB was a multifaceted multifaceted organisation to combine intelligence gathering national defense duties protection of Soviet officials messing with other nations election processes sounds familiar. They were also entrusted with policing their own people. Big mistake the treatment. A political distance and undesirables into gulags is one of the most horrific and mind fucking bits of world history. The details not for those weak stomachs. But if you handled today, you probably to thanks to a couple of Russia's thanks to a couple of Russia's best riders will go into details of life in the logs. We'll also look into the many friendly competitions at the US and USSR had going between each other cover the space race last week. Right. There was propaganda wars that were equally interesting. Also, the topic gives us an excuse to look into the many secret police agencies around the world, how does the KGB compared to the Israeli massad? Or Britain's what does it m I six I was going to say M16.'s mix. There's such a vast topic with the KGB filled with traders, national heroes, six secret military actions, perhaps the most amped up fear based propaganda in history in the next week's episode of hope that we can all get a better understanding of just how far collectivism and ideology can go when neighbors police neighbors in the name of the common. Good, it seems at least in this in this case that. Nothing. Good comes from it. All right. Let's let's let's now Mosey on over into the not secret at all world of time sucker updates. In time. Sunday update got a few youth. My dog lies in the moon. Landing episode time sucker Dylan Melva. No is one of you who got pretty sad for those dogs for bit Dylan wrote God, dammit, you got me after one hundred thirty five podcast. You got me one dog in space. Yeah. I knew that four dogs. Sure. Why not but twenty-six fucking chihuahuas? 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140 - The Legend of King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table, and More

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

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140 - The Legend of King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table, and More

"Who hasn't heard the following names, King Arthur, Camelot Excalibur the sword in the stone? The wizard Merlin lady. Gwen aveer, so LANCELOT and the knights of the round table actors from Richard Gere to Clive. Owen, Charlie Hunnam played the various characters of the Arthur in world. Disney's at a field day with our theory, and themed rides. And it's classic animated film the sword in the stone. JR Tolkien's EPA trilogy. Lord of the rings heavily influenced by our three and legend token, even wrote an unfinished poem the fall of Arthur, published after his death, basically almost every movie or comic book or graphic, novel or animated series, or television show that deals with armored knights jousting matches English castles, powerful kings medieval dragons, and witches and wizards at cetera have been heavily influenced by the legends of King Arthur, including game of thrones ever been to medieval times. King Arthur fan of Monty, python tons of sketches based on our three and legend either. In the name of roundtable pizza comes from king Arthur's, tales. I daydream about being a bad ass. Medieval Knight as a kid, so much imaginary fund saving the damsel in distress ride into powerful. Steed holding a more powerful magical sword. Maybe I was the one destined to pull from stone. I love medieval themed film, TV and literature to this day. But what did I actually know about the basis of all of this before this week? Approximately not we'll lose and digging today to find an answer to the question, did any of these people actually exist, King Arthur, real, this story will accuracy of all these characters has been debated for centuries. If they didn't exist who made them up and why we're gonna go on a journey that will take us to the origin of jolly old England and lead us through centuries of powerful myth building will travel through tales of sorcery magic stones dragging sex, triangles, bad ass nights, and much more on this fine Monday, it feels like we hear in the cult of the curious could use a little break from the extreme depravity of the KGB glands. The death destruction cultural polarization of Vietnam and the horrors of Madame Delphine and slavery in nineteenth century, New Orleans time to light shit up beyond a British origin tale in makings of king. Arthur in his cast of heroes monsters, and villains will also take the opportunity sake, a closer look at the mythology of dragons and additional info, wizards knights and dragons, my so much wonderful curiosity to explore today on time suck. Happy Monday made sack nation. Welcome to the cult of the curious. I'm Dan comments. 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And so dark, let's just say he and Ed Kemper had lived during the same era and had been prison, cellmates. I think Ed Kemper will be the one tap out. I think he'd be the one asking for new cellmate because fish would have creeped even that psychopath out mother pushed Jill the ward, nurture, taking mother or do not enjoy listening to this discussion pervert Muller. My Zappa's just threw up. But not today. None of that today. Let's get to the legend of King, Arthur. If King Arthur, and his band of interesting characters did in fact, exist, they supposedly existed in the fifth, and sixth centuries. Lot of quickly written web articles say, that's when the deeds of some battle-hardened legends were first recorded, however, when do just to bid digging you, learn that if someone did do the deeds of King, Arthur. They weren't recorded when those deeds went down, and they certainly weren't called Arthur, no one named Arthur was mentioned doing anything remotely cool in England before the ninth century, there may have been some dude named Arthur, like, yeah, I don't know beaten often wheatfield, maybe making a fool of himself in an in or could have been at Arthur now, and then we tell you know, thing sig. Sagawa n-, Pena's, attorney, lia- hours, pay for my drinks is a misunderstanding now the past that once in his in alone to three times a week. That's wench accuses I've Milena. Where my I but again, this is unfortunate. It's not bode. Well for my case that could've been that Arthur Goodman, some putts like that, but not some bad ass. The Arthur, Ian and Marlin are Merlin Marlon Marlon the wizard. Right. And Merlin legends as we know them today, we're really created didn't really get going until the mid twelfth century. So why did it take seven centuries for this tale to to get moving along? If Arthur was, so legendary, probably because he is just that, that is what I strongly believe a legend, a story told to inspire, and the story may have really gotten going in the mid twelfth century because England desperately needed a noble leader for people to dream about, at that time England, had devolved into anarchy literally in the mid twelfth century in eighteen year long fight for the throne sued when king, Henry, the I died in eleven thirty five CE left, no clear successor to the crown for nearly two decades for nearly two decades. Lawlessness ruled the land during a period that would become known as the anarchy a lot. Was being shed in the name of misguided attempts to take the English throne by variety of claimants for years, villagers didn't even know who ruled them from one day to the next. No one was protecting them lawlessness abounded guessing the story of the noble king who protected his people in unified, a nation was very reassuring. And comforting in the twelve th century English trying to form a new national identity land of present day England been home to numerous different kingdoms for centuries. It would take some cultural unity to take Britain from being in the midst of anarchy to become into colonial world power will examine some of those early English kingdoms and come to an understanding of the origins of modern England in today's times a timeline, but first, let's look at the literary basis for the arthurian legends the tale of king. Arthur begins with a brief ninth century mentioned of a legendary British fighter like the best fighter ever, like fuck everyone a game of thrones. This do would've made short work of the mountain dew to chop down the mountain, and Jamie land. Mr. in his prime with one hand while calmly just munched on apple with the other, the history of the Britons is the modern English name of a book, generally attributed to a Welsh monk named Nene us sought to have been written around eight thirty see an in this book, or through makes his first cameo that we know of what has come down to us throughout the years. What we we have access to. This is the first time he seems to show up chapter fifty six this big mostly boring, as hell book, discusses, twelve battles fought and won by dude named Arthur called a war leader in the nineteen set in the ninth century, skews me not a king. He's, I mentioned, not a king, a war leader that the king would come later, then he only provide specific details about two of these twelve battles. The first is the eighth battle, when he says the as battle was as fortress of Guinean in which author carried the image of holy Mary ever virgin on his shoulders. And the pagans were put to flight on that day. And so the power of our Lord, Jesus Christ and through the power of the blessed Virgin, Mary, his mother. There was great slaughter among them. Interesting carried some immature round of mother Mary, on his shoulders and battle. I don't I don't picture mother, Mary loving, bloodshed. But okay, too many couldn't have carried around an image of Nimrod now. That's that's nimrods ready for battle Nimrod scary looking Chuba Kavre, ass would win great for battle scare the shit out of some pagans. And then then he has rights one hell of a gun boat tail regarding the deeds of Arthur during the twelfth battle little bit over the top says the twelve battle was on Mountbatten in which there fell in one day nine hundred sixty men from one charge by author and no one struck them down except author himself and did all the wars, he emerged as Victor really nine hundred sixty dudes, one battle by himself in the days before explosives and guns and tanks and other advanced weaponry gets the fuck out of here. Do is apparently the original Chuck Norris you, he was like Chuck Norris? Wrapped in Steven Seagal wrapped in Jason stadium Repton. Chris Hemsworth, wrapped in Wesley Snipes blade era. Repton Arnold Schwarzenegger commando era rats in every other over the top action movie star in the history of cinema Rambo with fucking sort. Or maybe it was missing details. Maybe he was the only guy that have armor net battle. Maybe he was fighting nothing but small children, maybe there was that maybe in addition to the armor, he had a sword and a horse and the kids didn't have armor and only had goats to right around on and just held small sticks to fight with or maybe, for some reason, none of the enemy soldiers had arms. Maybe he was fighting a weird tribe of completely armless people. Or maybe he had one really strong Lance in a good horse and the enemies made the mistake of attacking him in a single file formation for some reason, and he just mowed them all down in like one super long charge. I just feel like we're missing crucial details. Understand how this one guy in the day of hand to hand combat could wipe out almost thousand suits and one battle. Anyway, then he is chronicles a lot of the same history in the history of the Britons that was already covered a century earlier by Saint bead, an English Manca story and in scholar, who lived in the kingdom of Northrop north north rumba. Saint beat was a prolific writer and many of his works have survived to the present day and beads most. Well known work is a history of the Christian church in England considered to be one of the most important sources of Anglo Saxon history in existence. It's believed to have been completed in seven thirty one CE, this book earned Saint beat the title of the father of English history and be road of the same battle. He wrote about the same battle on Mountbatten never mentioned Arthur, a single time, never mentioned anyone killing nine hundred and sixty dudes which I feel like as an important part of that battles description, he did write a Celtic Britain leader named Ambrosius orleanians winning the battle against the angles at Badin hills and four ninety three CE it seems that Nene 'Send for reasons, unknown may have swapped Ambrosius Arlene is for Arthur, I guess, I guess all the words do start with letter as some historians think that he ended up swapping this character for Arthur's, father, louder for stories will be will be written about Arthur will find out soon some mistakenly believe that a sixth century monk in Britain historian named Gildas road. The legendary King Arthur, sometime around five forty see the year after this legendary Arthur supposedly would die in battle. So he would have known Arthur, right? They would have been contemporaries. However, this is not true Gildas, did not in fact, ever mentioned Arthur, as did write historical account of the Britain's before and after the arrival of the Saxons, but in his account titled on the ruin and conquest of Britain, he never mentioned Arthur, although he also covers the battle of Mountbatten, most historians do think that battle took place sometime around. Five sixteen five seventeen five eighteen CE but Arthur didn't fight in it. Gildas also does not mention some dude who supposedly killed nine hundred sixty enemy soldiers in a single day of battle, but people did come to believe that you'll just wrote about Arthur, because centuries later Caradoc of Len carbon a twelfth century Welsh cleric wrote a book called the life of Gildas, sometime between eleven thirty and eleven fifty and this book is not considered by. Historians to be historically, accurate so centuries after Gildas wrote about his own life this other character, this Caradoc wrote about Gildas life. And then added the character of Arthur, he acted like Gildas did encounter Arthur, but he seems to just kinda pulled that out of his s he wrote self like Saint kill this was the contemporary of autho the king of the whole of Britain, whom he loved exceedingly, and whom he always desired to obey. Nevertheless, is twenty three brothers constantly rose up against the aforementioned rebellious king refusing to own him as they load. But they often routed and drove him from the forest and battlefield. Before I address this little bit of propaganda twentieth year. Others as less a lot of brothers Ali. I don't even have a Jonah, but my vagina hurts just thinking about that. Some poor woman really pregnant for three out of four seasons for twenty four years since babies died back, then if she had twenty four boys who made it to adulthood, how many did make dude, what two three four at least what about girls highly unlikely to have twenty four straight boys. No girls, I would say she at least had five girls six seven. What about miscarriages seven eight nine basically we're talking about thirty thirty five years straight of pregnancy during the time when women died of pregnancy, or was she cranking out twins and triplets every year two that's gotta be it a good. Okay. I'm glad we figured this out, and you Caradoc wrote lots of other details about Arthur like who will the elder brother and active oil and most distinguished soldiers submitted to know king, not even author, he used to harass the latter and to provoke the greatest angle between them both. He would often swoop down from Scotland setup conflict rations. And carried off spoils with victory and renown in consequence. The king of all bitten on hearing that the highest spirited youth had done such things and was doing similar things pursued the Victoria, some excellent youth, who as the inhabitants used to assert and hope was destined to be king in the hostile pursuit council of war held on the island of Manal he killed the young plunderer after the mode of the Victoria's author returned. Rejoicing greatly the heat overcome his bravest enemy one brother down twenty three ago or twenty two. Little more details about this mysterious, and in all likelihood invented Arthur, fella, his legend grows a bit, and then it grows a whole bunch with the writings of a contemporary of curd. This. This guy Geoffrey, we're talking about her in a second this, this cared act that guy though, I mean is interesting how he added so many acted like this guy. Gillis had totally seen this guy Arthur, and that they were temporaries when that was not written by Gildas in his own time, but the Arthur legend it really gets going because of another twelfth century cleric bridge clearance, name, Geoffrey of Monmouth Jeffrey puts ours on the map when he writes the history of kings history of the kings of Britain, sometime around eleven thirty sixty book that was considered to be historically accurate until the sixteenth century. Once you remember that if you talk about these tales going forward, this is a book considered to be historically accurate. It has the craziest shit written in it. And back then people like, all right. This ends reasonable how many dragons with it. All right. This book, okay? Now considered to be a mix of actual vents. And a lot of folklore Geoffrey of Monmouth did so much to introduce the legend of King Arthur to the world. He is now considered the father of our three and legend. This book would have been written just before perhaps a little after Caradoc spoke. I think it was written after for reasonable state in a minute in the preface to this book. Jeffrey rights oftentimes, intending ova in my own mind. The many themes it might be subject. Matter of the book, my thoughts would fall upon the plan of writing the history of the kings of Britain, in my musings, thereupon me seem to, to model that's beyond such bench in his guiltless and bead have made of them in the luminous trek Tate, not could I find as concerning the kings, that had dwelt in Britain before the incarnation of Christ. No, not even as concerning author in the many others that day to succeed him after the incarnation Albie. It's that did deeds be worthy of praise everlasting and be pleasantly rehearsed from memory by word of mouth, the traditions of many people's, as though they will written down very clever, what he does here if what he was doing was intentionally writing some are thirty and propaganda Jeffrey is claiming to write historically, historically accurate depiction of the kings of Britain. And then mentioned that. He's bummed out that king greatest King Arthur, a man who clearly accomplished deeds worthy of praise wasn't written about in a lot of detail by the historians Gildas and beat. Yeah. He wasn't mentioned at all by those mother fuckers. I and I think he wrote this book after care docs book because he references Gildas mentioning Arthur, which never happened. What did happen was Caradoc reference Gildas referencing Arthur? I mean who knows maybe there's a source book, lost to history that connects all this stuff, some book that Jeffrey and Caradoc leaned on some book associated guilders with Arthur or or maybe just cared about invented that association. That's what I think, anyways. So now we have Jeffrey actions. Arthur's been written about for centuries. It's yes. Coming out not true. Unless a whole lot of other books that were written about King, Arthur, have been lost. I personally do think he's making his shit up just based on campfire tales because Gildas original account of this battle, the battle of Badin did in fact survive Jeffrey knew about this book. And in that book, we know the Gildas didn't mention Arthur. And if anyone should have mentioned him, it should have been gilded to me that is enough to prove that, like, now this guy, this guy didn't actually exist in zone time now, the Jeffries given Arthur, far, more historical legitimacy than he deserves the twelfth century proceeds to write a bunch of historical accounts about the guy that would become the basis for a lot of our thirty and legends bunch of short stories about Arthur Merlin, all sorts of people who probably never existed, doing this, or that, and what he lacks in his historical accuracy. He makes up for in great imagination Jeffrey with his inspired writing turns Arthur from an interesting, bad s briefly mentioned by a few other authors into an inspiring legendary mythical figure that we still talk about to this day with Jeffrey Arthur's given armor and a helmet. A gold adorned with a sign of the virgin. Mary, his weapons. Become the powerful lands known as Ron the mighty sword caliber, n-, caliber, and sounds pretty mighty. I like that work and compasses the word burn pretty bad ass. Makes me think of some sort of fiery weapon used to kill white. Walkers game of thrones, but Ron. Like RO in, like fucking like wrong. Like your friend, Ron. This is my powerful. Lance ron. She doesn't hold up. Maybe maybe that names animal more powerful back then. I don't feel like Ron translates to the present very well as the all inspiring moniker. Some powerful death weapon Steinbeck do not make me attack. Hugh, with Ron, if Ron does not frighten you. Maybe I should grab my Mace, Gary, perhaps, I shall pick up my double X, do not make me take my double ax into battle noth- Haniel. Well, these saves gonna tax with aks, Nathaniel Jeffrey, also changes the name of the battle of bad and hill to the battle of the bath, and he gives Arthur specific personal enemy to fight in his battle awesome. Nice story building here. He's doing the Saxon leader. Children name change later tales to certify the Saxons, and Jeffrey story have taken an oath to Arthur's tributaries and just as quickly have broken it, the great battle is transformed from a defensive stand spoken of by Gildas bead, and then into an offensive campaign for the very welfare of authors country, and his personal data for the glory of England. Although Arthur, loses significant of men in the battle of the bath, you wins the day, personally, killing four hundred seventy sex swine and he drives children from the field for seventy what a strange number to switch to. Well, the Jeffrey felt at nine sixty that's, that's just too much, man. That's an unbelievable. Number dudes for one guy to kill him days battle. So he went with the more reasonable some four hundred seventy dudes. No big. Whoops. Just lands in the fuck out of a couple of hundred dudes was Ron. Arthur builds from this victory Jeffries, tail goes on to conquer Europe and subdue Rome, Arthur's, making power moves the history of the rest of Europe, kingdoms in the history of the Roman empire pretty well documented, they do not exactly back up these claims. So he's kind of alone saying that he wouldn't just kicked. Everybody's asking Europe and Roman. Although he's the greatest king of his time Jeffries, Arthur, still remains humble and gracious to its friends is tentative to the needs of a subjects does remain characteristic of Arthur throughout the development of his legend, his chivalrous nature will inspire the chivalry that will become a socio with medieval knights, and what a great tale for English peasants, living through the anarchy in twelfth century England to look to Jeffrey is the first author to introduce other characters who will go on to become integral to the later, legends of Arthur, Arthur's wife, Gwen aveer, again, the wizard Merlin ser que ser better veers, gallon, Arthur's, father, youth, or Pendragon, more drid, the nephew and treacherous killer of Arthur Jeffreys, worked big hit New York Times bestseller equivalent. A very I've had that equipment because one person, but actually the New York Times, did not exist in full century English wanted to let you know, just so you're clear, there was no New York Times, very popular arenas day, spread around translated in subsequent decades in English, and French from Latin by number of authors, and poets, such as Robert wass in Lebanon, sixty criterion, the trial, and eleven seventy and Robert de boron in the late twelfth century, these authors, and many others added more details to Arthur's tail change in the name of his store to x caliber, which I gotta say is better than caliber, n- and fucking light years ahead. Ron Arthur's quest for the holy grail is added, sir. Lancelot suddenly shows up. Arthur is a boy suddenly pulls the sword. Excalibur out of the stone in a future tale. The mythical land castle of Camelot appears additional magical swords, you know, the legend of volts additional writers would continue to add additional details for centuries. Lord Tennyson further popularized. The legend through his works beginning in eighteen thirty two with the publication of his poem, the lady of shallot. Continue with others along the same theme, including the eighteen fifty nine publication of idols of the king tenison had long been fascinated by the arthurian legend. And he revised Arthur to reflect the values Victorian, England Tennyson work inspired other Victorian, writers and poets. Take subject matter or thirty and literature was reborn again, in the modern age, lots of authors did this throughout the centuries. They would bend the tales of King Arthur to reflect the values idealized in their own time. Why was this all done again, a short because people want a hero to believe in historically? They want someone from their own land, one of their own tribe to rise up and give them someone to be inspired by someone to show them, what it looks like to live noble virtuous life. I'm lucky that way, I'm lucky that I have my grandpa award for that. My, my grandfather is my is my life model in many ways. My cue document my blueprint, my source material. Not everyone is so lucky historically, people want to believe that some mythical hero can find to defend them against any foe. They can feel protected and safe under their leadership. They want someone is noble and fair is, they are powerful, someone who will both defend against enemies. And also, not turn on their own people hard to find a leader like that in the ancient world hard. Now we still want that today. I feel like people in general people from various political parties, Democrats. Republicans more pretty sad about the current state of affairs in America. And that is not a shot against Republicans or even Trump. Specifically lot of people I talk to are just disappointed with the whole machine in general, how nice it would be to have some godlike King Arthur to lead and take care of us. No more backbiting posturing, congress members, no more White House, mudslinging and passing the buck no more, you know, senators seeming to try to just appeal to their to their base as opposed to doing what's right just noble. Just mighty mother fucker making shit. Great. I all what a legend that's allegedly can help unify a nation. No more. Polarized us versus them culture of liberals versus conservatives, and more. Everyone could get behind Arthur, you know, or, or some female equivalent in the twelfth century with the anarchy England need. Did this unification thing, the thing about the way this is a weird analogy? But think about the way Tom Brady has unified. The New England Patriots fan base. I know it's a silly example, but ninety percent of patriots fans would not give a single fuck about that franchise. If you took Tom Brady away from its existence over the past two decades, his consistent sustained excellence on the field outside of a few football cheating snafus, but of a scandal from anti beginning with his wife. He's come across as a pretty noble dude. Dude, it kind of looks like a night what you think of when you think of a night patriots fans will bask in his gridiron glory for decades after his retirement. Their fan base has been energized. And united. Now imagine if you believe that someone more, handsome, and Tom Brady, someone who dominated battlefields, like Tom Dobbin dominated Super Bowls, some without any skeletons in his closet to be dug up even in the social media age. Imagine this dude. It's established your nation defended against all enemies kicked. Everyone's ass was the most likeable just kind of motherfucker in history. That's King, Arthur. He was George Washington. George had beaten the British basically. Handedly said absolutely not to slavery, major women could vote and own land immediately, and then just carried a magical sword to top it off. King. Arthur wasn't a real dude. We know that now. But back in the twelfth century, the British thought he was a real dude. And this belief helped propel England gave them so much pride. It helped move them into becoming any world, colonial power most blog spend on that here in a little bit, too. Let's let's look into the rise of England. Now in today's times timeline before bouncing outlook, deeper into more aspects of king Arthur's legend and the legend of those around him. Right after word from today's next Bonsor days time so is brought to you by movement watches. So I'm where one now or one rhino stop. What you're doing. Look down your wrist. Our friends at movement, m v VM t watches have got exactly what you're missing. Sweet ass affordable. Watch when I was contacted to see if I was cool with 'em via Mt. 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Let's start way back like eight hundred thousand years way back or gala, just found evidence of some type of early humans living in England as far as eight hundred thousand years ago, it these early humans establish any semblance of civilization. We don't know about it. Pro- probably not much going on back then other than clubbing Grun trying to freeze to death because the ice age, especially highly unlikely there was any kind of civilization back then the Pleistocene, epoch, or last ice age lasted from roughly two point six million years ago until about eleven thousand seven hundred years ago, and England isn't believed to have been continuously inhabited until after it ended early. Tribes started using javelins, and, bows, and arrows, and living in little groups and England about ten thousand years ago, tribes likely Germanic in origin. The weather steadily got a little nicer and by thirty eight hundred BC civilizations began to arise in the lands of the mythical King Arthur, based on the discovery of timber trackways, aka ancient roads in England between thirty one hundred and twenty eight hundred BC the great curses of Stonehenge. A big ditch and banks round in those misc- rocks, about three hundred yards from the stones of Stonehenge was constructed around twenty seven hundred BC Stonehenge itself was constructed. So clearly there were people in England with a civilization advanced and organized enough to build a giant monument is still stands today, at least five thousand years ago, likely built by the British Celtics druids also dramatic and origin or possibly as many people interesting to believe billions, maybe nefarious reptilian, luminosity members built it like David is seems to believe, but let's not go down that were home, a win the bronze age hit and twenty five hundred BC trouble warlords us, new weapons at allowed for more sophisticated warfare, which began to lead to bigger kingdoms, the Atlantic bronze age from thirteen hundred to seven hundred BC saw the rise of trade routes between tribes and minor kingdoms and lands of present day, Portugal. France England Ireland and more Germanic tribes also spread out across Europe into the British Isles many of these tribes, which arose out of early hunter gatherer communities. Have been lumped together in what has been called the house dot culture house at how stat dot house dot is German for the place of salt hall, meant salt early Celts, the whole sad tribes learn to mind salts and other precious metals. Accumulate riches for the rulers house that burial sites from the twelfth century BC to the eighth century BC show, a lot of commonalities between people all across northern central even eastern Europe, Iberian peninsula, modern day England early. Celtic arose out of the whole stat, kosher. Our thoughts would begun to colonize and inhabit, the British Isles around five hundred BC Celtic culture started to evolve as early as twelve hundred BC and mainland Europe. Even though there is obviously some discrepancies here because some people think that some form of Celtic culture built Stonehenge. That's just I guess I should clarify. That is some speculation. No no definitive proof there. And for modern British Isles inhabitants. He Celts form the basis of modern UK kosher. Their legacy remains most prominent in Ireland and Great Britain were traces of their language and culture still prominent today, then. Came the Romans in fifty five BC led by none other than Julius Caesar when he first arrived on August twenty six of that year Caesar within leave, then return again in fifty four BC then leave again. And then in forty three BC the Romans come back to Britain to stay under emperor Claudius. They conquer numerous Celtic kingdoms, including the cat to von Villani cut Villani and the ice. Seni- kingdoms by ABC, Romans have an amphitheater and governor's palace in London. They're building roads, strongholds walls towns around England, completing almost eight thousand miles worth roads by hundred CE some stories also believed the first ancestors of England's future Anglo-Saxons come into England. At this time, mercenary of Batavia and troops based in modern day, Germany, brought over by the Romans more and more dramatic people would migrate to the island over the following several centuries, basically, all of the various cultures that arose in the first few centuries were derivative somehow early dramatic people from northern western Europe. And most those people if you go back a few more. Thousand years are believed to come from Asia and the Middle East. And if you go back, thousands of years earlier most thought to have migrated out of Africa, pretty funny, really the history of human civilization has been a constant battle of us versus them. You know, those enemies aren't us, and we want what they have, so we need to kill them. They think different than me, but the truth is, we're all the same meets AC. We've just been split up for a while. And one twenty to see Roman emperor Hadrian orders. The construction of the famous Hadrian's wall northern England to try and keep the pesky warriors in Scotland warriors such as the picks. Celtic confederacy of tribes from attacking Robens completed by one thirty CE the Antonine wall is built further north a decade later by four Tennessee after three centuries of constant clashing, with various Celtic tribes and various Germanic, tribes, such as the angles and the Saxons the Romans needing to focus, their military energy elsewhere in Europe as their empire begins to fall apart. Leave England for good these angles and Saxons, then go on to form the beginnings of England's Anglo Saxon, cultural future. The name England can be traced to these early angles. Their name is thought to be dried from the name of the area. These tribes originally inhabited, the Anglia peninsula Anglia also the Latin name of England. The term Anglia is thought to be derived from the term for a fishing hook since the angles, had were tribe, sustained by fishing think of angling being synonymous with fishing England would come to mean land of the fish. Sherman and English would come to me, the fisherman's language, so cool trivia, writes a love it. Well done, thanks for that three to five stars in the fifth century wake of the Romans leaving England would begin to be divided up into seven separate primarily Anglo, Saxon, kingdoms, whom local, Celts will battle against north Umbria Murcia, East Anglia Essex Kent Sussex, and Wessex. Details of king. Arthur placed him in this period of English history and most legends pit him against the Anglo Saxons fighting on behalf of the Celtic Britons more on the Britain's just a moment. King Arthur, said to have lived roughly from four sixty CE to around five thirty nine or five forty c got varies a little bit from tale to tale. He was said to be born this, this really cracks me up, you said to be born at ten tangle castle, which is hilarious to me because that castle was not even fucking built until the thirteenth century. It was built in twelve thirty three CE by Earl Richard first, Earl of Cornwall, who wanted. To establish a personal connection with our three and legends written by Geoffrey of Monmouth. Right, almost one hundred years earlier wanted to connect himself to Arthur in a quest for power like so many kings would do over several centuries. Earl Richard, even had the castle built in the style of earlier castle construction, so it would appear ancient legit. The ruins are still there today. If you want to see the site, where King Arthur, for sure never had a castle since no fifth century castle ruins have ever been found. There was also zero historical record of a castle ever existing there prior to the thirteenth century clear to me that this place is now in our thirty and tourist destination. Sometime between five hundred and five sixteen. C E, L likelihood, the battle of Bayden took place and again, this, this year's fluctuate because a lot of speculation this is that famous battle he's spoken so much about where King Arthur killed nearly a thousand dues by himself in the legendary version, does battle between Anglo Saxon, aggressors and Celtic Britain defenders king Arthur's, I mentioned supposed to have thought on behalf of the Britons the name Britain to drive from the Latin word, but Tony. A term invented following the Romans initial conquest of the island in English the terms Britain, and British for many centuries. Denoted only the Celtic Britons and their descendants most particularly the Welsh Cornish and Britain's who were seen as heirs to the ancient, British people. That's how it's used to describe Arthur here. So he would have been Celtic one of the descendants of one group of people who over for mainland Europe's Germanic tribes centuries. Earlier now fighting a new group of Germanic tribes. Celtic tribes, such as the Britons were United by common speech. Customs and religion. Each tribe was headed by king was divided by class into druids the priests warrior, nobles, and commoners. They'd been in England for centuries by the sixth century. Then the angles come along from of present day Denmark, and the Saxons come along from present day, Germany, and formed, their own kingdoms with their own language old English, bring their own customs, and religion, which essentially was the same pagan religion that Norse mythology would evolve out of before they adopted Christianity, the. Terms, British in Britain, eventually came to be applied to all inhabitants of the kingdom of Great Britain, including the English Scottish and some Northern Irish after treaty and seventeen six unify the king. Nos Galan with the kingdom of England. Celtic and Anglo Saxon cultures. Now United for the most part into one, kosher. So anyway, so this early battle all these law. These words, change meaning over the years, anyway. And this early battles. We learn King Arthur supposedly fell nine hundred sixty men another battle in the arthurian time line is d battle of Camden said to be sometime around five thirty seven CE, maybe five thirty nine. This was king Arthur's final battle will be his final fictional day. Now, we move ahead of few hundred years to eight thirty CE and that's where the first stories about Arthur begin to be told when Welsh historian Nene as mentioned Arthur is king and hero of the battle of Bayden hill between ten ninety five and eleven forty three c historian William of Malmesbury a man, I did not mentioned earlier, also mentioned Arthur, as a war chief of the Celtic Britons and a book called deeds of the English kings. Seven twenty. He mainly just quotes Ninian, his ninth century depiction in the twelfth century, the French poet, Christiane soi introduces the legends of the grail quest the character of LANCELOT several other elements of our three and legends. We said earlier, and, of course, as we said, Geoffrey of Monmouth, and many others greatly add to king Arthur's legend in the twelfth century various other English German and French authors. Especially let a French others wed more king Arthur's legend over the subsequent centuries. In eleven fifty four see the anarchy ends when king Henry, the second takes the throne and attached himself to the arthurian legend some story insane. He searched for king Arthur's tomb others say he claimed to have discovered king Arthur's tomb, and then also recovered Excalibur. So he must be the one. True king by Levin. Sixty things have stabilized things are improving again England. The nation is unified under his rule. He actually ruled part of present day, France, too. But let's not complicate this song even further with the cultural Royal blood connection between England and parts, France king. Henry son in subsequent English ruler Richard the first aka Richard, the Lionheart would also associate himself with King Arthur, some say he searched for king Arthur's tomb as his father had done other say his father gave him Excalibur, either way, the continued association with King Arthur, cements, the mythology English culture forever, and generations of kings will do the same claim. You are descended from Arthur and immediately. You give your rule and noble and magical air in fourteen sixty nine to east. Thomas Mallory, an English night during the war of the roses composes, the whole book of King, Arthur, and his noble knights of the round table and fourteen sixty nine again while imprisoned and has published after his death in fourteen eighty five under the wrong name initially actually lay Mortz. They are which was actually the title of the last chapter and French for the death of Arthur. This book became the definitive, fifteenth century version of Arthur, three legend is passed around a whole bunch, then, of course, many other authors, add further to the legend, others, like Lord Tennyson bay. Basically are three entails have become their own genre. Think of it like Dracula, who is Dracula, vampire. What is Dracula's exact story, he doesn't have an exact story? He has qualities. He has some identifying characteristics, but many of the specifics are very malleable, tons of authors have written about them as we talked about net Vlad and paler suck longtime ago long before Bram Stoker wrote about Dracula in eighteen ninety seven Germanic monks, were writing about a Dracula, like vampire character who had evolved out of propaganda written about flat, the Impaler by people scared of that Impaler Sandra's before, Bram Stoker, Romanian folklore had tales of destroy troubled vampiric, spirits, that became part of Dracula's modern mythology. It's like that with King Arthur two and his band of Camelot. Wizards and warriors. The story of Arthur is legend stacked upon legend folklore presented as fact by one English king after another bending the tales to strengthen their claims to the throne if they were descended from Arthur. They were descended. From a man who is more God than king. They were the rightful heir to his caliber, and therefore the rightful heir to all of England. Okay. So I think we have the basics of how to legend started down down pretty. Well, now why they started why they're important English identity while we come clean, and colonizing the world. Why? Because we are the most no motherfuckers to of ever lived, we descended from king. Autho the first truly noble king in the world in his blue blood runs through all veins. Okay. So let's get out of this timeline. Have some fun. With more details of our thirty and folklore right after a word from today's final sponsor plays. Time soak is brought to you by Lisa. Love the, the visa had leesamattress for almost two years now. And that mattress holds up the brand is as awesome as ever. So lucky to have kick ass sponsors. Lisa believes that Abed is more than just a place to sleep is a place for relaxation and rest. And they believe that everybody has the right to quality rest us why they make too awesome. 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They can impregnate human women, or maybe they just come magic then they don't get into a lot of those specifics, and a resident in house. Demon Radicati Woody. Oh man. What he wishes the world was just plump full of incubus. I sure do was your whole he didn't you might have a whole lot more incubators. I wouldn't be sitting on a warehouse full of wounds paranormal rape, repentant, losing my skinny would. Those Mike man shoe protectors. His not enough. David Roddy bitch to create a demand for my supply. Beijing economics. Well, I run. Drills worker, little shot, a former show to knock off Rolex downtown. When I finish up my hip. Best luck. Would he be careful? They're worried about that strange. Little fellow. I've come to care about him more than I expected. I would anyway. Merlin's story first came about in the twelfth century. See V Geoffrey of Monmouth history of the kings of Britain. The Merlin figure was based on two older myth mythological characters that merged into a Merlin that we recognize today. The name Merlin comes from the Welsh Myrddin, the name of the Bard who is one of the chief sources for the later legendary figure Geoffrey of Monmouth Latin is the name to Marinus in his works. Medieval historian, Gaston. Parra suggested Jeffrey chose ass- rather than the more proper Latin translation of Medina's, because the Norman word for feces was Murdy and he wanted to avoid that association. Good call tough to root for magician whose name sounds like shit. Are you ready to be amazed? Welcome to the stage, the great and pow full illusionist master Todd kiss. But he's. Later, translations Merlin's will be shortened to Merlin, according, Geoffrey of mindless imagination, Merlin's semi divine demon. Birth gave him magical powers as you would expect. His most famous powers is built to see into the future. Many of the are thirty entails would plan psychic powers, but psychic powers around his only supernatural gifts in one story about the birth of Arthur Merlin paves, the way for the birth of ours through some dirty wizard trickery, check of this nonsense Arthur's father who three Pendragon a king falls in love with a grin or grain. The wife of Duke Gordo's of Cornwall, or whole of tin Taegu castle, depending on who was telling the tale and utha. He's fucking names are so dumb, by the way. I'm sure they're good at the time some names do not. Hold on. I paul. If we have a lot of youth, or Pendragon out there and a lot of grins and gore Loiseau's fuck while. Oh, my key magin naming a kid like that today. These are my these are my children, we have youth over, and it grain and tin, tackle, what fucking. Do because at my house youth or asked Merlin to help him figure out a way to impregnate grain knows you can't just barge into the castle and take her by fourth force, which he obviously, is thought about because the story includes him, discussing the only one entrance. Do Duke Gauloise castle in the duke's men were too strong for him to easily sack is fortress, so Pendragon turns to Merlin and Merlin shapeshifts transforms youth are also written his almond. That's even dumber. I don't like the name change. It's sexy up. How about how about oment do you like L mud? Do you want to be called own mud? Yeah. Yes. I do like that. You have written is into ingrains husband so essentially author becomes his enemy. Walks or raw walks right into the castle and basically raped his enemies wife impregnating her with his Royal seat. And then he walks fuck out, and this is why Arthur is referred to his ambassador to many stores part of the reason makes him more likeable like Jon snow. He's Jon snow. The more learn about all of this. By the way, the more obvious. It is how the game of thrones saga also heavily influenced by Arthur in legend interesting orders. Dad being pretty rapi was a real problematic for, for people back in the day, when they're hearing these stories, a lot of old myths. If you really look at him loud, pretty rapi old miss out there. No wonder sexual assault still a prevalent crime today. We, we gave it a pass on some level for centuries. Merlyn was introduced into the service of king Pendragon well before the birth of Arthur in another EPA tale. This one involving dragons, the stories actually Geoffrey of Monmouth attempted the origin of Britain's story, the people of Merlin's time or bit bit backwoods -i at a pretty strong pagan streak and then that included a fair amount of human sacrifice at one story. They were actually searching for a bastard child to kill place under. The foundation of a tower. The king was building to keep it from falling down, because, you know that's the best way to strengthen your foundation is to put some kid bones in there and sadly, a lotta shit is based on truth, which which reminds me of the Aztec suck bunch of meat. Sacks. At one time, thought it was totally reasonable to kill an innocent child and bury their body in the foundation of a castle tower, the gods demand it. The more I come across age religions, the better. I feel about the historical Christian atrocities committed by the way, a lot of people died in the name of Christianity. However many pre Christian religions arguably much more brutal and much more. Violent in one version of the story, it's the bastard. Child's blood that is needed to be mixed into the mortar to keep the tower from crumbling. Can you imagine a contractor showing up to do some work at your home, and you find them just mixing kid blood into the door? What flush what are you doing what you want your driveway to crumble, or not to parts mortar, mix one kid blood? Thank God everybody knows that the teacher's union pun hearing about the child sacrifice Merlin is able to talk the king out of it. But not for some noble reason, he just didn't think kid bones would help the foundation. He thought they had a dragon problem needed to handle Berlin, told the king and his men, the beneath foundation of the tower would be a pool. An inept, who'll be two stone containers after the men laughed at Merlin, Horowitz drag into we'd some kid bones. Everyone knows the men. Dug sure enough there was a pool after draining the pool they found the containers turned out to be dragging aches to dragon eggs, one red one white, and then the dragons would would take to the skies and fight each other. I don't know they grew up fucking super fast. I guess, like immediately group immediately. I don't know how was possible the white dragon takes the victory. But in that moment, Merlin's show shed. Showing the king, he was a seer, the red the white colors. The dragons are important to the red dragon would represent the Britons the white dragon the Saxons and what the Saxon dragon did defeat the British dragon in this tower story. It also led to Merlin's version of Britain one day vanquishing the Saxons and solidifying Merlin's service to the king, plus they can build a tower now for your dragons. Yeah. Which is great. So great dumped of the dragonstar. The king would go on to ask Merlin for his advice all the time, including how to make a baby with his enemies wives without anybody knowing. And if all sounds crazy, it's because it is what I like to think about again, is how people in late twelfth century were presented this yet, as fact, like peasants would listen to stories like these and just walk away thinking, oh, good thing Mellon found, those dragon eggs that talent is Shelly fallen, just as surely, as my name is Mildred donkey Shah something else fucking stupid. Now, if you excuse me, I'm off to buy witches potion need to get rid of some pesky witness in my garden people dumb as rocks back then they were dumbest fucking rocks. The dark ages one of the most time, listen, best known tales of Arthur is the sword in the stone, legend that comes to the twelfth century French poet, Robert de Barnes work simply titled Merlin, we mentioned Robert before the story starts right after Arthur's birth born of Royal blood Arthur was secretly taken by Merlin to be raised as the bastard child of a loyal ally to king user, or third Pendragon, a man named, sir actor at cer- actors castle know what, including extra new, the boys realize entity the son of the king, and his enemies wife thought to be illegitimate, the boy grew up being looked down upon tease by his adoptive parents, his stepbrother Circe and his friends, and it's a couple of Dicks for parents are real kid. Suck for you are the group ashamed of was birth unaware. He was a prince. Meanwhile, Arthur's real father was sick, like, really sick. You died just a few months after forgiven Arthur up. No one knew Arthur was the king's son to the kingdom fell into disarray without an air to lead them in this chaos. Very reminiscent, I might add of the real twelfth century situation and Carina half-century before this tale was written, the anarchy rival lords and dukes debated, which amongst them was most fit to lead England and again this parallels. What happened during the real energy with no answer inside to nobles of the time called upon Merlin to help them? Figure it all out Merlin? The only man aware of baby Arthur's lineage, creative solution. Merlin brought forth, a large stone, as one does a must about it kind of a magic stone quarry place and placed a heavy anvil on the stone churchyard in the Westminster region of London inside the anvil is you guessed it a sort the inscription on the blade. Reads who, so pull us out his sold from this stone is right wise, king bone of All England Moore. Erlin revealed the magical properties of the sword explaining that own only the most qualified men in all of England would be able to pull the sword from the ambulance claimed the throne nobles from around the region came to give it a try. No one, not even the strongest nobles could do it. The sort of eventually was nearly forgotten. No king was crowned and subsequently England some further into anarchy and disarray, and people were prettier -tated with Merlin, for adding this useless fucking stored stone situation to the promise as Arthur grew Merlin, introduced himself to the boy the two began to meet after Arthur would finish his chores around, sir actors castle. They became fast friends as old weird mail loners and unrelated. Children often do nothing to be alarmed about Merlin became the boy's tutor Merlin's teachings, including many subjects, but his major emphasis was in knowledge over brute force hailed him rot. Arthur in this tale is described as a scrawny lads scarcely capable of lifting his sword from sheath. But Merlin saw the potential future king. He thought Arthur would one day be wise and honorable enough to unite Britain, and save the nation from its current level of horse shit. He saw greatness in the boy, and since he was psychic, he knew what he was talking about the one day when Arthur's fifteen the wizard brings the boy to Westminster besides being a great wizard. He was also an excellent promoter. He assembles an anxious crowd to witness the boys attempt at pulling the sword from the end Ville Merlin stepbrothers for K also makes the journey bigger and stronger than Arthur Circe can't even budget sort, the crowd's not surprised. Yeah. They're, they're remember to bunch a buff adults couldn't move, either, when his Arthur's turned the crowd goes fucking ballistic. When the scrawny son of a bitch, does what no one else could do. Just pulls the magic iron blade right out of it. Stony resting place. Just can't. Yup. Yeah. But he's. He. He's go kill now something like that. That's one version this tale story ends up being retold in several ways one of the most popular being a situation where Arthur supposed to bring case or to turnament, but forgets, so the fifteen year old Arthur goes on the hunts replace it. See the sword in the stone. Pulls it out with these not even realizing what magical DD just done. And then when Arthur gives that sword decay in this version, he notices it has inscription that basically says he's won the fucking lottery and is now the king of England. No one believes that a teenage boy, had done the deed that no one before him could do. And they make him do it again. He does the people are blown away. He's crowned king by Saint Dubravice a big part of Arthur's legend is this sword. This magic sword. Excalibur the sword of the stone. In some of the stories is Excalibur in others there it's different weapon, and these other tales lead us to the lady of the lake part of the mythology and some tales local leaders not happy about Arthur, pulling the stone. You know, pull in the store from the stone they don't. They don't want him to lead by their their, their one to lead themselves. They don't like the fact that they may have to bend their needed. Some fifteen year old bastard. They form an angry mob to rebel against his lead against his rule. Needs tales Merlin helps the young kid escape, the mobs brings him to a magical lake where the lady of the lake lives beneath the waves. Incidentally, Merlin said to have had a sexual relationship with lady of the lake in some stories. She's his sister. So there's that two very different stories or they sister fucking not frowned upon back, then like it is now. But anyhow, these tales when Arthur and Merlin arrive the lady of the lake basically just reaches up from the water hands. Arthur, the magical a magical sword Excalibur when given the magic blade. He's told he will always defeat his opponents when he uses it. He's also told that as long as he wears the blades, scabbard sheath. He will be invincible and both of these prophecies of become true not a bad gift, not a bad gift. You know, I've got to say my birthday was last week. And while I do love my wife Lindsey, and I love my kids Katamon row now. Now. One of those mother fuckers got me anything even close to his cool as that not close to his cool to sword that will kill anyone as shape that will make me immortal in which really frustrating to me. Because those are the things that's all literally ever wanted, like what the fuck it's like it's like they don't even care every year for so many years now. I asked the same question can you please just give me a fucking sword? That will kill everyone. And also a matching sheath that will allow known to kill me. Is that really such a big deal you cheap assholes, and I slammed the door to my room and I saw until I cry myself to sleep. That's, that's every may sixteenth for me is crime is sleep knowing that the next day, I'm not going to get anything that I want. Anyway. Or -ther gets the coolest gifts ever. Which I gotta say, helps me understand how he killed nine hundred sixty days in one battle. Okay. All right now, I get it. There are lots and lots of stories about lady of the lake and legends. And most of them, she seems to had different names relationships empowers in one of the legends. She said to have had stolen orlands lot when he was a child. Also, cured his madness later in life. She is also the cause of Merlin's death in many of the stories. She she's complicated. She's nuanced halo. Safina. King Arthur, or thir Pendragon as he's also known, of course, the main focus of the Arthur legends historian, Merlin story. Merging bend over the centuries. While various details about Arthur's deeds would change over the years certain traits about King, Arthur would remain pretty consistent. He's always brave just and wise. Powerful sense of honor duty loves England, loves his people these traits, of course, become a source of great national pride for the English. But he wasn't perfect. He did have weaknesses and his major weakness was his love for Gwen of year. The marriage of Arthur Gwen aveer is warned against by Merlin from the very beginning Merlin told his young friend that she was not wholesome enough to be his bride, and Merlin will be right. Gwen avair would go on to have a long affair with Arthur's favourite night, sir LANCELOT. And this unfortunate trait of Navarre's, this unfaithfulness would go on to be retold by various authors and artists in bards and musici- musicians, just like, you know, Arthur story would change actually the American twentieth century. Poets DJ quick. AM G e would join play a ham, and tweet Cadillac aka penthouse players, clique and release a song about Gwen aveer on their nineteen. Ninety two highly influential hip hop album paid the cost called trust. No bitch. Kidding. All that info was real, though except that song that didn't have shifted with one of your. I just am happy that I could throw out a reference to penthouse players clique. I wore that CD out in nineteen Ninety-four. Gwen is the daughter of king, Leo grants, and upon their marriage Arthur's, new father-in-law gives them a dowry of one hundred nights and the roundtable, the nights would sit sit upon or sit sit around there. You nice roundtable. Roundtable's nice ring to it. Good thing that table was rectangular that would've kind of ruined things nights. So the rectangular table doesn't a roll off the tongue in the same way nights of the rectangular picnic table nights of the fold up squares poker table. Round round definitely the best best shape, a poor Gwen of year. She's really not much of a developed character. Why because English society in the twelfth century was incredibly patriarchal and was in just about every part of the world at that time and mail readers and authors didn't really give a shit about showing any complexity with her female care, even lady lake. I said nuanced earlier. Not really. She was always just kind of mischievous Jeffrey, and other male writers were interested in a strong, female character. They're interested in a strong male character saving a week female character. Gwen aveer, really is just a vehicle for Arthur to be brave in the legends bit of a foil character. Really? We see his strengths because of her weakness. She helped kick off one of my least favorite literary tropes, the damsel in distress waiting to be saved by some Knight in shining. Armor. Doc that strong women only please I'm not interested in saving anyone, you want to be saved. Save yourself. Hail FINA anyway. Help us win aveer concert and kidnapped neck, deep endanger, fucking, his best friend behind ours back, and he keeps calling and carries on throughout at all orders, chivalrous nature and the honor of the knights of the round table in general will influence. Medieval England greatly England still nights people today, who have brought honor to the realm, but we're not here to talk about new nights or to talk about original nights some case. That doesn't sound nearly as cool as, oh, gee, that's okay. We're here to talk about awesome nights. Some case that doesn't work either. Let's talk about wouldn't after Arthur received Excalibur. He fought many battles, and like the lady of the lake prophesied he won every one of his battles without injury. The eleven lesser kings who initially refused to bend their need to him. All ended up agreeing you know what? Hold on, on second thought we now think that we should follow the young invincible king. That's probably a better plan than continue to fight. Someone who can kill Arthur went on to set up his Royal palace Camelot a mythical walled city with a castle. It was said to be surrounded by Woodland's, enlarge fields where many tournaments were held and many would camp when the city was full, there's no specifics, the city size or layout. I mean it's not a real place. Camelot is made up. Camera is a major city of ours focused in many legends. But actually isn't mentioned until the thirteenth century as we just noted Arthur married Gwen of your king Leo. Whatever king fucking Leo. Stupid name gives Arthur, a giant table as a wedding present. And then Merlin is then sent to help fill the ranks one hundred fifty nights. Apparently the biggest table in some legends. Merlin himself creates the table and in one legend, there are sixteen hundred seats around it. No wonder wizard had to make eat it. You can't pick that up. But I care he can't put together home only a magical table, c sixteen hundred people, which I had wizard making me tables. That's, that's what I should ask for for my birthday now. I think about it a good wizard. A good strong wizard next year. I'm gonna ask lending the kids now for two things, which is for like one, one just good wizard in the wizard can make the magic sword and the magic sheath, right? And a cool table and probably conference and dragons, and gold and probably some sexual butts. Why not in a new family that gives me undefeatable sword? When I fucking ask for it. Plans really starting to come together. Okay. The vogue, eight cycles the thirteenth century telling the author tailored, among the first to mention Camelot also says that when the nights were assembled Merlin said to the group now on you must love one another, and hold one another as deals. You'll brothers full from the love and sweetness of this table where you will be seated, they'll be bone, and you'll hot such great joy and friendship, that you will leave your wives and children to be with one another and spend your youth together in new Denise unto God and touching one another's glorious muscles, in rubbing down of size after heated battles and relaxing and doing shoulder, massages and sometimes touching nibbles in the frolicked the fund way. And then sometimes just gently stroking one another's. Cox on the battlefields to reduce tension from the walls, and then putting Cox mouths and buttonholes and really enjoying he didn't say that, but I just feel that there's a lot of homoerotic tones. When Merlin comes up hanging out, dudes, you know, just spend a lot of time alone with them trying to talk them out of marrying, ladies tell them much. Dudes, just fucking forget about your wives just, you know, have found each other and the names of one hundred and fifty six hundred sixteen hundred nights would be engraved in each of these chairs. What a great legend by the way to inspire unity in your army. If you want to be a good night, you have to love each other more than your own families. Why are you with each other in the first place to defend around with England to advance glory long live England? I mean, this should is fantastic. Propaganda like the best Merlin left one of the chairs open for a great night of the table that he called a perilous chair that share will be filled by only the bravest most capable night of the mall and that night would end up being Sagala hat, the son of the already famous nights, a LANCELOT and some legends. Galahad also pulled a sword from the stone his case, he was named his strongest night in the world for lasts less stones and source loan around the store today. Sir galahad sounds like a real bad ass. Arthur light weren't talking about him in a moment, I was talking about his dad arguably the most famous night of the round table, sir LANCELOT Selena was the first night of the roundtable. And he's never failed in gentleness Kerr. Courtesy or courage. Lancelot is Arthur's favourite. And every turn landslide is totally devoted King, Arthur, and never betrays him other than constantly fucking his wife like so much. That's the only little tiny chink in his armor as the only minor tiff between the two is to constant y fucking other than that devoted besties when landslide is not being led astray by his Nadi dirty pain. He's doing all kinds of noble. Cool shit and legends killing bad guys rescue other nights saving damsels, fight giants, that kinda shit, and he was one of many nights, sir gallon. Another famous night of the roundtable said to be Arthur's nephew prominent figure many legends in France. He's generally presented as, as one who has adventures paralleling but not quite overshadowing or Thor's and Lance lots ventures in English tales. He's also sometimes the star of the show gallon is the principal hero, some tales, a great example of courtesy and chivalry he is sir gawain. There's like one of the stories that sir gawain and the green Knight's. There's other arthurian romances. He's the lead character. Kevin Gallen sometimes arrival of selene Salat, the accidental death of gallons. Brothers at salons, lots hands causes gal one of the mightiest warriors court become the bitter enemy, his once great friend. He ends up getting mortally wounded in a fight with LANCELOT, who it is said, lays for two nights. Weeping at gallons tomb before his death, gallon for Pence his bitterness towards landslide and forgives him because the bonds of knighthood, too strong for the two petty. Squabbles. I know we fought. But think about all the times the battle, we were just laying cuddled up spooning together your little spoon. I was a big spoon. Just thinking about not being with their families. There was also, sir jaunt so drawn to cool last night, who best night, known as the night of the sparrowhawk and only, let's sparrowhawk live in one famous tale when sparrowhawk promises to take his dwarf to Camelot and apologize to one of the queen's maidens for being rude seriously. That's, that's the story. This story is a good representation of foul fucking weird and crazy. All these old nights tales were here. Here's it in the racial regional while I guess, a version of the original language, this is the story, the nights, face each other as the trumpet sound, and these ninety talking about here are, this is sir Geraint, and the night of the sparrowhawk the nights, face each other as the trumpet sound and they rush towards each other the horse hooves trumping like thunder. They crash together in the middle of the field with loud role in the sound of splintering. Lance, it is the nights. Lance splintered into twenty pieces. The Lance of suggestions was held and passed the shield of the night, lifting him out of his stats. Throwing him onto the ground with great force, causing him to roll over and over the excited crowd calls out. Who is this night in old Armagh is he sa- LANCELOT of the lake who is he as the crowd rolls? The night leaps to his feet and draws his sword. Call it out to Jarett come down here and face me on foot. I've still got my sold the crowd cries out, get off your horse and fight him on foot. Is that really what the crowd cried out, seems like a little to worry, you know, get get off your horse and fight him on like in unison? Get off your horse and fight him on foot. So Jared leaps down from his horse and draws his sold with his shield before him. He approaches the night, then suddenly they spring together like to wild bulls bashing into each other. Now hockey in a way to each other was sold until the dust cloud surrounds them and no one can tell who is winning toront- goes, very angry in the night withstands all his smashing blows. And he smashes away at the nineteen harder the night begins to weaken and drops his shield, a little Durant les blue. So blows, so heavy upon the nights, shielded, knocks it down to the ground, then Durant hits the nights. So hard on top of his helmet. A direct hit on the crowns of the blade cut straight through and into the bone, which can somehow doesn't even kill this guy without blow the night of the sparrowhawk falls to his knees. Now, I would think so catching hold of Germans legs joins snatches the nights helmet from his head grabs his hair pulls his neck forward as if. To chop off his head the nights Biggs for his life. And during agrees to spare him on one condition, if he will tell him his name, the nights response, my name is Szigeti miss of the moles Duran says sa- Gotti must must you must do another thing. And then I will let you live. You must promise to take your dwarf, and go to Camelot where the dwarf will apologize to the queen's maiden for his roughness towards her. The night promises to do it. And Geraint says arise Sugata miss a fly spare the what. Okay, if you're wondering, like what did the dwarf do? And that's not me being derogatory like like just referred to as the dwarf in this tale. What are the dwarf due to piss off Jarrett earlier that day? He gave Jaren back at Camelot a quote, dirty, look and okay. That's not all. And he turned some maidens horse around in a way that caused her to almost fall off a horse you turn it around some out, and she no one care for it. Then he wrote off with Saudi Mus and sir, sir Drenthe was fucking pissed how dare that dwarfs look at him at thirty way, and almost knock a made enough a horse by kind of turn it around a bit, somehow social drink. He fucking chase those dirty look, given horse turn in sons of bitches all the way to some night, tournament and got to Johnston atoll. Seriously, these dudes took chivalry. One dirty look from a door. I was like, oh. Fucking cut. Your best friends nights head off. Sanity and people again, would read this back, but found sounds reasonable is good for him being chivalrous in defending her honor, guests have not into off. Another night is sir bed, aveer, cer- better here with a trustee supporter of king. Arthur from the beginning of his reign. One of the first nights to join the fellowship of the round table. He helped Arthur, fight the giant of Mont Saint Michel or Monsanto, Michelle. Yeah. A giant is a giant ravaged France until confronted by King Arthur, this giant of Doug to the niece of the king of Brittany giants. Do these sneaking places fuck? Take ladies took her to his cave in the mountains known as Mont Saint Michel and just, I don't know. Eight a big old, elk lake bone, and just gave a weird looks and this big bastard. Plunder some nearby villages and spread fear among the locals big son of a bitch crocodile skin for armor fought Arthur with a club there was on fire. Luckily, luckily, Arthur, had his trusty invincible sheath super handy to have that when you need to kill crocodile skin. Aware wearing giant dungeons and dragons. Clearly influenced by our three and legends. Bet aveer ended up with only one hand later in life. Just like a certain game of thrones night. Better your lost one of his hands in battle, but continue being kick ass night. But of your was also present at the last battle the fateful battle of Cameron. He and Arthur alone survived this battle, he was given the command by Arthur to throw Excalibur back into the lake after line twice to Arthur finally tossed a precious sort out into the lake and the hand of the lady of the lake came up and retrieved the sword. And then sunk back to her watery depths of why would he do that? Why would he get rid of the coolest shit ever will in one story, lady lake told him he had to eventually return it or Excalibur, eventually bring about the demise of the kingdom, bummer does kind of make sense, though? Like if he's caliber films, the wrong hands. I guess that would spell disaster for the right kit. Chemists get now. Let's revisit that bad. Esther galahad, sir galahad against son of LANCELOT. One day another sword in stone was seen in a river by authors nights, because this was everywhere. Back then. And it was said to be said that only the world's best night could pull out this. Ord galahad was led him to Arthur's court. He drew the sword out. No problem. It was later on when the grail appeared in a vision at Arthur's court to galahad was then chosen to be one of the three nights to undertake. The quest for the holy grail. He was given a white shield with the Red Cross drawn blood. Right. Just like the crusading knights Templar an order, founded around the same time, by the way that these stories written in the early twelfth century also probably not a coincidence. I'm sure the knights Templars were inspired. But the nights at their own table, and vice versa, in the sense that the author's writing about tonight's roundtable, we're being inspired by the real knights Templar no fits on board a ship during his quest galahad obtained, another kick ass soared, the sort of David disorder taken by the biblical David when he beat Goliath, another magic sword that no one balmy from my fucking birthday. Gal had ended up finding the holy grail after beholding the holy grail galahad requested that he died. He accomplished the most noble mission. Any Christian night ever could find the holy grail and his work on earth was done. He's granted his wish and ascends straight to heaven. He's given the spiritual shortcut for being the perfect night. He was perfect encouraged gentleness, courtesy, and chivalry and immediately peasants started selling and wearing W w S G D bracelets. What would sir galahad do? And this little story, you know, because this story we still have jackasses digging an oak island today. Looking for the holy grail? Okay, one more there's a ton of these guys. Honestly, their stories get a little redundant. He was fucking chivalrous. I get it. You want some battles. All right. Yeah. Yep. Has worked out okay. The last night. We'll talk about today also related to King Arthur stepbrothers K history, records ks being a very tall man as shown by his epithet the tall. He appears in some of the legends as the foremost warrior at the court of King, Arthur, and apparently had mystical powers and was called one of the three and chanted nights Britain. Here's why here's an excerpt from one of the old tales nine nights nine days, his breath, lasted onto water nine nights and nine days, would he be without sleep, a wound from Kay's sold? No physician might he'll when it pleased him, he would be as tall as the tallest tree in the forest when the rain was heaviest, whatever he held in his hand would be dry for a hand breadth before and behind because of the greatness of his heat. And when his companions coldest, he would be as fuel for them to light a file, and it was like one of the vendors so I get a sort almost as good as Arthur's, another cool sort out. I didn't get while he didn't have an invincibility sheath. He holds brother under water for a long time, like almost all command long. He didn't need to sleep very much. That's pretty sweet. He could shoot some kind of fire somehow, I, I'd want him on my side for sure. I've got a knife, fight us, archaic times at a volatile and cruel nature, but was also one of Arthur's most faithful companion well spoken super tall. Sometimes get fired. Get dealing with, you know, gives them cranky almost done talking about nights. Let's just touch on the holy grail a bit more than the code of chivalry before moving on one of the most important things are three and night could do was hunt for the holy grail. The fabled artifact that usually shows up as the Cup Jesus drank of the last supper the Cup of supposed miraculous power that can provide happiness, attornal youth or substance in infinite abundance, pretty cool Cup. Can it just kind of reminds me of gifts? You know I mean I got a coffee Cup for my birth. You know, Joe paisley gave me coffee Cup but not not a grill Cup. You know what I mean? Just regular you know what? It's just a regular parade of disappointment today. Just think about this stuff during the during the late twelfth century, French and English poets and troubadours transformed, the Arthur legend from political fable to tail of Shiva, Rick romance. Mysterious holy grail. One of the most captivating motifs and all the literature, I appears as part of the thirty and legend in Christiane, the twat this unfinished poem Percival, or the story of the grail, Brennan, the very end of the twelfth century and one of his passages about the grail. He writes, a girl came in fair and Komi and beautifully adorned and between her hand. She held a grill. And when she carried the grail in the hall was two fused by light so brilliant that the candles lost their brightness as do the moon or stars. When the sun rises, after her came another girl, bearing a silver trencher. The girl was made of the finest that grail, sorry girls. The grail was. Made of the finest pure gold and it were set precious stones of many kinds, the richest and most precious in the earth, or the sea. Krit jahns image of the grill, luminous, and other worldly became a mystical symbol of all human quests of the human yearning for something beyond desirable. And yet unattainable with that the Arthur legend entered the true realm of myth, now for some final notes on chivalry, the hundreds of nights in around that magical round table, all to live their lives by code of chivalry, a moral system that rewarded bravery, courtesy honor honesty, valour loyalty gallantry towards women. The chivalrous Knight was expected to be a great warrior in battle. But also temper his aggression with a Chevrolet side to his nature when not in battle chivalry is defined as the combination of qualities expected of an ideal night, especially courage on our courtesy Justice and a readiness to help the weak and to be chivalrous is defined as courteous and gallant, especially in the context of a man towards a woman. If you're a dude, and have a lady in that lady expect you to open doors for her, or walk on the side of traffic. When you sauntered on the sidewalk as Lindsay does with me. She is expecting you to be chivalrous not for everyone. I know. But we liked. The r thirty and code of chivalry was emphasized by oaths vows that were sworn in the knighthood ceremonies later. The code of chivalry was written in the epic poem about Charlemagne called the song of Roland exactly when it was written is not known, but probably in the early twelfth century and then it was extremely popular from the twelfth century to the fourteenth century in the song. The chivalry knights were, here's her qualities number these out, one to fear God and maintain his church to, to serve the Liege Lord, invalid and faith three to protect the weak, and defenseless four to give a systems to widows and orphans a lot of stuff with ended up being taken by the knights Templar. I remember this from that suck. Five to refrain from the wanton giving offense, six to live by honor and glory, seven to despise pecuniary or monetary reward eight to fight for the welfare of all nine to obey those placed in the thority tend to God, the honor of fellow nights eleven to eschew on fantas meanness and deceit, twelve to keep faith thirteen at all times to speak the truth. Fourteen to persevere to the end in any enterprise begun fifteen to respect the honor of women sixteen never to refuse at challenge from an equal seventeen never turn your back upon a faux eighteen never run from giants. Nineteen always fights dragons, with magic, swords twenty to look at a woman when she is naked leads to certain death twenty. One always touched one sold instead of one's penis, twenty two always attempt to go number two before jousting match begins because it takes a long time to get the armor off, and then back on again, and it's not cool to make everyone wait to watch you launch your foes, with the mighty Ron okay, I made up eighteen to twenty two but the others were real at the end of most of the legends, sadly, Arthur, and all of his knights will die, but they die for the most part with honor and their fictional lives not lived in vain their ideals. Inspire England and a great deal of others and helped push England and also other countries like France to become the colonizing powers. They do become. Yeah. These stories also very popular in France now is talking about Arthur's enemies from dragons and giants to witches and rival kings and nobles. He battled with the Saxons in the Irish from the north. The also battled with love nature. His two greatest enemies were actually relatives Morgan lefay and his nemesis mortar. Talk about mortared first mortared was on a mission, destroy Arthur from early on mortars, parents were Arthur's half. Mr. Arthur himself. Gotta have a little more incest. It's not going to be a proper medieval royalty story. You don't have enough incest. Mortared stepfather is king. Lot of Orkney and his half brothers are the nights gallon, aggravation Harris and Gareth. That place all these old medieval names, and then, like a modern name we have gallon, aggravating, Harris and Tim. And also, Timothy, it was Merlin who saw into the future and warned that a boy born on May Day would grow up and caused the fall of both Arthur and the knights that are on table upon hearing, this Arthur makes he completely rational choice of decree that all boys born on May Day or did he placed on a ship and sent to Europe to find new families for which is pretty nice really lesser king would just stop them the second, they popped out of their mothers' wombs, but noble, Arthur, just took them from their families, and shipped them off to Europe. Just a just a ship, little babies and own wants seems reasonable. Unfortunately, the ship was caught in a perfect storm one year and wrecked killing everybody born on may, I almost can you guess who survived Mortensen that baby fucking swim man baby mortar swim gets dumped into cold Atlantic Ocean during the storm that just took down a whole ship and he just motored his chubby little baby has to shore. That's impressive. Michael Phelps descended from mortar, again, many people's out these stores were true. I'm sure some people still do probably somebody out there who thinks that the others flat, that we never landed on the moon and that baby. More driven swam his fucking baby ass off. A mortar was raised away from the court until he was a teenager. Then he came to Camelot joined the roundtable, his actual identity was unknown until it was too late. Mortared was instrumental in uncovering the adultery. Gwen of your and LANCELOT tells tells about it talks about King Arthur force them to sends the Queen to death when Arthur pursues LANCELOT or in some stories, he Roman emperor Lucius mortared seizes the throne in Mary's himself forcing Arthur to abandon his battles in France. And rush back to Britain the to face, off, for the final time in the battle of Camden, which results in more towards death by spirit, the hands of Arthur, but not before he mortally wounds. His father who's also was ankle who's also was king shit held onto that invisibility sheath Arthur or there's other mortal enemies more going to say mortgage was Arthur's half sister. She's normally depict as a witch and militias enemy prior to Arthur's marriage to Gwen aveer. She tricked Arthur into sleeping with their sister mortgages, which gave birth who gave birth to Arthur's son and nephew, mortar mean which trick some legends say that more. Faye was the mother of mortared herself. I buy a lot of barely a lot of sexy, half sisters. This guy was talking about fucking Morgan was involved in all kinds of conspiracies against Arthur from killing some origins best nights, and subjects trying to poison him and ultimately didn't him to his death by stealing the enchanted scabbard of x caliber leaving Arthur vulnerable. Okay. That's what happened to the sheath damn sexy. Half sister took it. Okay. So that's some of his enemies. Let's talk about some of his dragons or some dragons, general, they weren't named in this, especially fun to talk about drags right now. We'll game of thrones is going on, on a lot of reminds you after just wrapped up an integral part of the legends of Arthur, come in the form of fire-breathing four legged winged. Reptiles known to nearly every child on earth is drank. It's they didn't show with big backstories, or even specific names and are three and legend, but their presence definitely felt again, kind of like game of thrones. I can't name any of the dragons in that show, but they don't really show up that much, but the presence alters the landscape of the show, and the plot and everything, while dragons are mythical creatures legends about dragons have been recorded by cultures around the world, the western stories of dragons differ from that of the eastern legends, and it western dragons breath. Fire have giant wings, generally pretty evil eastern dragons, wingless fareless, and assign a good fortune, for the most part, dragons, are a massive part of the lore of the H, Britons Celts, and the Icelandic people spoken of long before the time of King Arthur. And one famous British legend about a medieval Knight, named Saint George story goes dragging decided to kill all the beautiful women of the land and kidnapped the king's daughter. Oh man white. What a dick dragon move messed up. I kill his. Why can't you at least, you know, tweet a little bit. Like I'm going to ban the ugly ones. Oh, please don't but well, okay with the help of an enchanted, orange trees, Saint George slay. The dragon rescue to Princess trope has been repeated throughout the centuries saving the Princess from the dragon the Celtic peoples revered dragons for their power wisdom. Many Celtic myths say the dragons had the gift of prophecy and thought they were the guardians of the underworld symbolized the joining of this world in the next life. So, basically upon deaths when entering the pearly gates Celts were met by snorting monster as fun. The Danes also tons of dragon stories including the story of a Danish king sending the spirit of wizard scout of foreign land to see if it can be invaded. The spirit goes wizard returns after being scared away by dragon an army of snakes and insects, a giant bowl a massive bird. And a mountain in mountain giant needless to say the wizard picture of these four monsters was a bit off putting the Danish. King was easily convinced not to invade the country who focus writing these stories like if I sent back in time and stuck there, I want that job. It seems pretty easy soon. Like he's got to make up just whatever shit you want it. Right. You can just use that to, to Ben things to, to your desires. No, please king pays we, we, we should dare not go further north to settlement. And I'm not just saying that because I hate the cold and I, I have a pretty sweet natural hot spring in my backyard right now and the women here are super hot and kind of into me. The real reason we can't move up north with our people is because there is thousand snow dragons up there. Yes thousand in may can bring more pain than you could ever imagine. They breathe in a new type of fire. It's ice fire. It's both ice and fire, and they do that to you. That's listen. Listen to. This. They're the least of your problems, the dragons are the least of our concerns. If we had no us, there's also the, the ice giants and ended the ghost with. It's of course, this can't forget the ghost with its and also if you're still not thinking about moving there. What about giant snow scorpions, have you re redirected we could handle them? They shoot lasers from there is all of the scorpions all being ridden like horses by three headed witches with poisonous snakes for tongues. And they can curse you with never ending diarrhea. If they look you in the eye wink before you look away, our winked is. And then you feel it so head. No. If you won't but that's your call. You're the king. But boy, Howdy gonna be a literal shit show. We leave this land of the hot springs in the in the sexy, ladies and whatnot. No one really knows what the original idea of dragons comes from so many different types of dragons, and somebody from with allergies hard to say they're important enough to our three and legend to have Arthur have his last name. B Pendragon, the chief of dragons, now, let's talk about wizards briefly electrical. While there's only one Merlin, there's no question that he is the most famous wizard of all time. Others have been labelled as wizards. The Merlin of Japan has to be ABI. No see may the Japanese legends of AVI. No seem a ascribe him a number of supernatural abilities. He would oversee the emperor, spirituality, banish evil spirits to rid of illnesses, one famous story says he got his power from his mother, who happened to be a white FOX. So dad real kinky, dude, a little bit FOX fucking op seem as story filled with demons slain magical combat some serious, jet masters shit. That is kind of weird. All these animal store. It really does. I know joked around the past, it's like we're just fucking animals a lot back then why does someone of these myths have like one parent, who? Human on the other parent who's an animal and it doesn't seem like anybody who's like what, what I mean? If you thought that through you're like, okay, guess his guy who's out fucking. Fox's the story of Merlin actually helped create more interest in becoming a wizard back with when more people sauce, itself was real. One of these people was out, you know, thirteenth century scholars thought to be a source for Michael Scott, one of the greatest minds of his time, he's remembered for having doozy Asiatic injuries and occult subjects and practices, as well as more mainstream, subjects Scott was the personal astrologer to the Holy Roman Emperor and was a tutor to the pope probably wasn't shit when he's with the pope, but maybe you know, aluminum d do what luminosity do Scott was credited with making successful predictions, curing illnesses changing the course of a river, even making a robot a sand us, even reference in Dante's inferno. He ended up getting stuck in the wizard level of hell, probably pretty fun level to get stuck on really one more wizard his fellow. This guy was the adviser to Queen Elizabeth and the sixteenth and early seventeenth centuries. His name was John D. Said of being called a wizard usually called a mathematician, astronomers geology alchemist cold philosopher, he also advocated for the expansion of England, credited with coining the term the British empire while he was a man of science expert, navigation and promoter of Matthew, also a super interested in some wizard shit. He's with last thirty years of his life, trying to commune with angels to bring about a pre apocalypse situation by learning the universal language of creation, low cookie as you got older. And then there would be other people like former sucks subject, Alex Crowley, who thought studying the Colt, give them wizard like powers and. Yeah. And so that there's some additional wizards it wasn't just Arthur. But, you know, I'm sure Arthur in legends inspired other people to have wizard mythology in their own cultures. So now time for some final thoughts. I, I hope he learned way more about our three and legend, and how it helps shape England, which then shaped United States, and so many other nations, we learned way more than you already knew thinking about how much talk of knights wizards dragons cetera exists, in our culture today. Lot of it comes from the tales. King Arthur Merlin nights. The roundtable. In conclusion was was Arthur real. No. I don't think so. But, but some do think he was at least based in part on some real people like Ambrosius orleanians that doodoo showed up in the battle of baton, as told by Gildas, who actually live in that battle was fought one of the greatest figures of Britain towards the end of the Roman empire. In the fourth century was a Celtic prince called Magnus Maximus. That's a fucking great name does a solid warrior name by some of the names, today's episode pretty dumb pretty soft. But if you're, you know, if you're some guy, like, ooh, you got a Lance called Ron gets fuck out of here. Take Ron home weirdo. But if you show up I am Magnus Maximus. I'm listening, okay? You have my tension. Many scholars think it's max. That's the basis for Arthur's heroic deeds, max kicked ass on behalf of Roman Gaul Britain Spain. Even northern Africa. Real dude a ton of battles even helped knock emperor Gration off the throne. He was certainly the most noted military commander in the area of England around the time of King Arthur, another candidates man named. Arth. No are so was a Celtic prince who lived in Cornwall in the sixth century, a piece of slate was found called the Arthur stone discovered in excavations in tin, toggle and nine hundred ninety eight the name Artic. No. This name, they show up in different spellings in two different different places. Sometimes it's arth knows sometimes it's like art. No anyway. Celtic historians have have said the name could have been related to Arthur, somehow or they thought that initially, but then upon more review. No, one really seems to think it has anything to do with King Arthur, basically, there's a lot of theories out there about real people who are may have been based on, but they're all pretty flimsy from what from what I read and what I see overall this folklore seems to be at least ninety percent just pure fiction and what great fiction. It is love. Good night. Dragon wizard tail pretty cool to learn how to collection, a story can shape a cultural or a culture, excuse me, identity Merlin Arthur, and others. Help take England from the anarchy to the crusades to colonization helped fuel the belief that they were the greatest nation on earth because they had the best origin story they had to go kick some ass. They were, there was the land of the knights of the round table and King Arthur oranges, origins matter to a lot of people feeling connected to a powerful pass. Is important. Too many fuels the desire to reclaim loss glory, even when that glory, as is the case here, never actually existed, and twelve twelfth century England what actually happened centers before it didn't matter. What matters is what people believed happened this type of historical revisionism still goes on today randomly, I think, as part of the reason nited states has refused to apologize for its ugly history, slavery, slavery doesn't fit the narrative of being a kick ass. Just fair every man is created equal one nation under God. USA USA were number one type of mythology, but I guess, no need to extrapolate too much like, applying stories that have happened. Centuries ago, two things that are happening. Now. Let's just let's look back at what we did learn today and learn something new before we move onto some amazing time. Sucker updates based on experiences in Vietnam with today's top five takeaways time. Bye. Merlin and Arthur number one Merlin, and Arthur, or the George Washington. Thomas Jefferson of England. That's certainly one thing we should take from this is part of the reason, ledges stuck, the British were also the most powerful empire in the world. Just a few centuries after these legends really got going just like in US and probably most nations. Really, we deify, our founders in our in our founding seems to be part of the tribal nature of human DNA. We're number one with a magic sword. We have a kick ass wizard and you don't have shit. Number two, Ron really who names, a Lance Ron, I still keep thinking about that. Number three. We love. Wizards magical swords impossible powers just about every culture on earth is had psychics or Sears prophets, shamans, warlocks, wizards, wizards are important, no matter how science minded and rational, we tried to become. There is something are very DNA that seems to lead us back to the supernatural. We want to believe it's what our brain does best. We seek patterns that match the world that we either want to see or one. To believe in as cold, the political and skeptical as I can be here on time, suck. I do hope that we as a species. Never totally lose our belief in magic and folklore number four, another take away from this is once again, the old telephone game has been played a ton in every historical episode. We've ever done the hardest thing to do is find a cohesive time line that is actually agreed upon in the case of the Arthur legends is really hard to talk about exactly who in the other characters were because a lot of creative license was taken by a lot of people stories tend to change over time. And that is certainly the case with stories of Arthur, number five new information. We've talked about a few swords in stone say that are nothing more than folklore, but there really is an actual sword in the stone. In Italy today, once fucking crazy. It's been there since twelve th century, Galliano would Dottie was born in eleven forty eight and Tuscany under spending his youth as a wealthy night. In eleven eighty he decides to follow the words of Jesus, and retires as hermit. He begins to experience visions of the. Work angel. Michael leading him to God. And the twelve apostles on the hill of Mont sippy, see when one vision, Michael told Gadhafi to renounce all of his earthly possessions. He responds that this would be as difficult as splitting a stone and to prove his point thrusts his sword into Iraq, did surprise the sword. Goes through the impenetrable surface as though it was water shortly after an errant horse leads to the very hilltop, that appeared in his visions where he was moved to plant across not having any would handy he purchased his sword again into some rock, just as he had in his vision and its, it slides in easily again, and then it remains, they're embedded until the present day, one year later without he dies in eleven eighty five pope Lucius, the third declares his Saint, and the Monte, CIP chapel build up around the sword or build up around the store that he put into that stone, allegedly callous, people have tried to steal this sort on display the chapel or the mummified hands of a thief, who tried to remove the sword and was. Legend holds suddenly slaughtered by wild wolves. I don't know if that have while only the hands of survivors unexplained, they do serve as a warning to would be sourced natural. They're still there today. Seen a picture of these days. The sword is protected by a by little shield, as well as the disembodied hands, while the sword was considered fake for years reason studies examined the sword in the hands and the dating results as well as metal in style of the sort are all consistent with late eleven hundreds early, twelve hundreds, while it was impossible to verify the storage, legendary history. And all the details it does match up with Saint Galliano with time line. And it does certainly appear to be embedded in this stone. So how weird is all that Google that if you need to see pictures for yourself a real life sword in the stone time. By away. The legends of King Arthur have been sucked. Wizards dragons, swords, and more. Hope you enjoyed look into the legend. Nice addition to the suck catalog, I think big thanks to our space losers for voting in a topic that I don't think I would have sucked. Otherwise, I would have never learned all that big things at the time. So team thanks to the Queen of the suck. 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So perverse cruel his crimes. They don't even seem real lot of nervous laughter in this one, because just like what, what how he was eventually executed, and based on his strong interests in Beedi, SM, extreme masochism. I think he might have enjoyed getting fried and literature. Okay, excited now to move onto a very special Vietnam. Addition of the time, sucker updates all of today's updates our Vietnam related hope you enjoy him as much as I have. In times updates. As I update comes in from island ferris who shares, a lot of love and respect for his Vietnam. Vet grandfather. Right. He writes this one is a long one. So I apologize in advance. Island says, oh Lord sucking ten. He who sucks, sweet life. Nectar from the teat of Nimrod praise be upon you of a second with us since I, I heard you. I'm Bert cast and have always been amazed. The way you approach hard topics with such balanced perspective. The Vietnam war being such a polarized topic for some I wanted to share the story of my grandfather, who was a helicopter pilot in the war, and no, he wasn't just your ordinary pilot, my crazy as crapper, flew rescue missions in Huey. Which means he would land in the middle of a firefight. With only one co-pilot lane cover with the stock M16. fucking crazy on one particular mission. You've got a call that a group of our guys were pinned down, outnumber four to one and even after being told not to go because it would be a suicide mission. He went anyways and didn't make just one trip. He made four successful trips when he went back for his fifth trip, he was shot down when an RPG hit the tail of his helicopter as he was spiraling towards the ground with his helicopter on fire. He made this split-second decision. To jump, but couldn't chopper was so shot up. He couldn't get his cockpit door open enough to jump, there was a glass portal in the floor near his captain seat that he threw his camera through so that he then could jump. He's revived spent three days in the jungle along alone. Crawling towards base with only his side, arm, he had broken in a broken right leg and a seven six two AK forty seven round lodged in his left ankle. He took on his second mission. He never told anyone about. He never bragged a really ever talked about the war. And the only reason I know this is that at his funeral a man showed of the, my family did not know he stood up and told us who my grandpa was that man was one of the men that was saved that day this guy told his story, he was only eighteen and it was only as fourth day in country moral of the story is my grant was a bad ass heated three tours and nonflying rescue, and was shot down four times. I got his portrait tattooed on my arm. And then he tash a foes, is beautiful in two thousand fifteen six months before he died. I'm so happy to able to show it to him. And. Old his hand hours before he passed away. He retired sergeant major in the US army was awarded multiple purple hearts, a silver star Distinguished Flying Cross, and many more. Medals thanks for everything you do. And for creating the cold curious future space hazard island. Parents were hippies ferris. Wow. Thank you for sharing for sharing that incredible tale. No arthurian legend here. Just some real shit. Nice reminded. There are in fact, real heroes out there walking amongst us thing that the next time you're noise, some older man is taking too long crossing the street that dude that you're annoyed by that, that nice. Sweet looking grandpa might have been the baddest motherfucker nomin nine hundred sixty nine we have no idea what most of the people around us have done this guy, this guy who never talked about. It was a bona fide war hero. Next up is mad Baker who has another tale of how difficult of a war. Vietnam, really was terrible sacrifices were made and about being lucky enough to have known a kick ass vet Matt writes. Hey time suck thought I would share some of the time I got to spend. Favorite customer from my previous job. Mr. Williams was marine. Sergeant who served in Vietnam over a year and would always talk about how much I looked like a member of his platoon, but he always did so without a smile, and always sounded Sambre when he brought him up, I had the chance one day to ask him. So he told me about going on one of their search and destroy runs with the big guy guy that looked like me on point to hear the story told they came across a boy, walk into the jungle who looked ragged in a Macy's bigeye, grab some of whatever food he had out in his pockets and gave it to the boy or out of his pockets, the boy intern reached in his bag pulled out something closed in both hands and place it into big guy's hands and trotted off. It was grenade with the pin already pulled. It took off both his hands half his face and sent shrapnel into his chest causing big I to bleed out in the jungle. He told me through tears at the moment, find the conflict for him as much as he was proud to serve his country and do whatever was asked of him. It was obvious that, no matter how much kindness and compassion. They could show they were not. Wanted or accepted there it was hard to see a man three times my age choking back tears talking about regrets from a lifetime ago. But I've always remembered the obviousness of the hardships, and entire generation faced well enough in the eyes of a man that has showed me, nothing kindness as much as kind as had caused him. Sorry that's a little wordy but I heard Mr. Williams past about four years ago when the sucks you brought up some good memories of him. Thanks for the outlet and prayers for all from a loyal sucker. Holy shit madman. Thank you. What an intense tail? What a terrible way for someone to die. And I'm so glad that this brought back some fond memories of Mr. Williams for you and men. Hopefully, he, he is rest in peace right now. Another personal. Vietnam tale comes to us from time. Sucker named Drake, a tale that again, those traits how a war can haunt man, Drake, writes, greetings, Mr Collins, load of all, that is suck. One is start off by saying the Vietnam, war suck was gripping. And I'm sad. It was only two hours long you asking at the end for stories events of the war, a close family friend of mine was drafted into the. Himself. Sadly, he isn't the greatest technology, but I wanted to share what I know for that human element. His name is rich, w I want to respect his privacy. So that's all I can give he was drafted into service, and sent to the jungles with a rifle he was around eighteen to twenty time and sadly, I don't know, when he got back from what my Grandpa's told me he enrich used to go hunting, camping and fishing all the time before the war, which was amazing shot loved the outdoors very full of live in a very funny person. When rich guy back everything was different. He stopped campaigning for roughly fifteen years, the annual trip he my grandpa started he no longer continued after those years, he did start joining the first day of the trip leaving that evening it was about a three hour drive there and three hours back after a few more years. Invest in blow Abair matches and was able to camp again. He vowed never to sleep on the ground, again when he got home from Vietnam. Rich was also silent. He didn't make jokes anymore. Didn't talk much at all. I honestly, couldn't tell you if I'd ever heard more than fifty words out of his mouth in the eight years. I attended that camping trip he would just. Sit back and listen to everyone else not to say he was rude. He would always answering speak with people, but not often on his own accord, the biggest change in him. The one I saw first hand was his attitude, towards guns before the war. He was a hunter when he got back and even to this day he has never touched a single gun. He sold all his hunting rifles and shotguns, and will not hunt on camping trips rich took the same vow with guns. They took about not sleeping on the ground. The account I saw with someone someone was loading his shotgun to go hunting. They leaned the gun against the car. A safe distance away from the camp and walked back for whatever reason the shotgun began to fall rich was next to it instead of reaching down and stopping it from falling. He stepped aside and let it hit the ground. Everyone looked saw what happened and just asked if he was okay. No one was mad. They understood why he wouldn't touch it. The only thing I know about him in the war, because he would never talk about it. And this was from my grandpa was that rich would have to clear tunnels, I can only imagine the hell that was those tunnel systems and what he had to do. I'm sorry. There isn't more info. I can give I don't. Known rich for about ten years before his health kept him from coming around as much. He's a good man. It's sad to hear about the life that was destroyed over in Vietnam. Thank you for your time. And thank you for all the great knowledge show once a week have a great day week month. Keep on truckin Hailu Safina Drake. Well, thank you, Drake and holy shit, man. Clearing tunnels hell on earth. I can't imagine clearly doing what he do or what he had to do took a took an enormous psychological toll on him. I hope I hope you always knew that there were people like me who had enormous respect and gratitude for the sacrifices. You made don't know if that would make a difference. I guess, you know, you doesn't matter people appreciate it or not some memories. Now I'm sure you just you just can't race. And they just it is high 'nother family, bad ass veteran tale from Jacob Davis who writes, saying, suck master, Dan, my grandpa retired from the reins as a Master Sergeant was bad ass warrior in Vietnam. He did two tours one in sixty seven another year later in sixty eight and received a purple heart. The Viet Cong shot at him with an RPG and the explosion was so close a piece of shrapnel about the size. Gulf all went deep into his leg after he died, this past December. My grandpa, grandma gave me the shrapnel that he kept all those years ago. Then you a picture if you wanna see it, he didn't speak of his time in Vietnam often when he did it was brief the few times he did. He spoke about being shot out ambushed, fighting hand to hand and getting wounded, my dad has my Grandpa's K bar, which was the marine issued combat knife. And it is covered in blood states. Wow. He never said more because it always brought him to tears he definitely faced horrors, and how to do things. I can't imagine he carried that pain strong like true, stoic. He was the baddest motherfucker. I knew. And my father figure his name was Jackie James Davis. The means a lot to me to see the way you factually talked about the Vietnam war, and it would mean a lot to him. Thank you for the sucking all the awesome stuff, inhale Nimrod your fan. Jacob davis. Will. Thank you, Jacob and rest in peace. Master Sergeant Jackie James Davis Nonni to send that pick. Jacobs store was enough man insane. What people again walking amongst us have seen and experienced have had to do to survive. Thank you for bringing some from wrecking I for bringing some recognition to another unsung hero. Switching it up now for a different perspective on Vietnam, sending by MS evergreen. She writes, nice work under Vietnam episode shirt, took a ton of research, but you broke it down. Well in the time line, always helps. I am teaching in Cambodia right now in this info, really helps to put things in context, the recent history of genocide is still deeply felt here today. I saw the first elderly monk I've seen since I arrived, I read that something like half the country's population is under eighteen as present as it all is it still far beyond my imagination to conceive of the horrors, that happen here to think of what so many people anyone just a couple years older than me live through and the trauma, they must be carrying. It's just astonishing. One thing I was a prize, you didn't mention was the link between Agent Orange, and its manufacturer Monsanto Bayer legal issues. Now just, you know it was hard to hard to get into the only so much info in, in one of those. Episodes. But just as in the case of the chimera Rouge, few, if any of those responsible for Agent, Orange have been held accountable for the thousands of brutal deaths. In fact, how many former employees the Monsanto went on to work for the EPA and USDA. Yikes. So in a way they make Pol Pot in his cadre of lunatics. Look a bit like caveman in comparison sad. But true. But hey was billions is the most important thing on planet earth chimera food is amazing. People are so kind and friendly and the land is gorgeous beyond belief. I hope more people in the west can come to be educated about the US secret bombing campaign and how that pave the way for the rise of radical bass ackward K are extremist takeover in a visceral. The population with primitive control tactics and heavy foreign firepower. Dang it, this was supposed to be a quick note. Anyway, I do certainly enjoy show. Thanks for your hard work. Keep on sucking. Thank you, MS, evergreen, appreciate you letting us know about how the effects of that war, obviously, still being felt over in that part of the world being felt in Vietnam. Neighboring nations today, not just veterans over here that are suffering. A lot of suffering still going on. Over there, because of that conflict in and gotta do a Pol Pot that one of these days, so many interesting topics out there, too many to choose from next up, Josh Taylor who shares his father's. Vietnam story with his all Josh rights. Josh just listened to your Vietnam war episode last night at work and have to say to the damn good job, you mentioned wanting to hear from Vietnam veterans. I thought I'd chime in with Mon. Father's experience in the war. He was twenty one year old plumber when he received his draft notice on heat and my mom's first year wedding anniversary. Oh man. Upon graduating basic training. He was elected from medic school. He was extremely happy about this as he wasn't going to be like everyone else. Little did. He know that medics go out into the field with the infantry upon arriving in Vietnam. He became a combat medic. He was stationed out of coochie a city mentioned on your podcast with the twenty fifth infantry division, who you also mentioned on your podcast over the next three thirty three hundred sixty six days, it was a leap year. You get an extra day in Vietnam. He saw extensive combat. He carried his shotgun because the early M16.'s were so unreliable and the air, they were fighting, it was covered in dense bamboo. Once I became older me and my dad became hunting buddies. So eventually after a few drinks around the campfire at asking questions that I always been curious about. He never spoke of the war at all until he became older. I once asked him if he thought he would survive the war, he told me, there was no doubt in his mind that he was a Dead, Man, Walking Vietnam. Is that that's intense? I asked him how close he'd been physically to other people who were killed. He said men were killed directly to his left and right. He. He once was in a situation. So dire that he actually had to call in artillery on top of their own position. This means that death is imminent, and you hope and pray you somehow survived the onslaught of death from above you read the letter of the soldier talking about going to Hawaii to meet his wife on arnuhar. My dad being married was given this option as well. They'd fly your spouse to Hawaii, and you'd meet them there. He declined, however, due to how many people he'd seen come back to beat Phnom after arnuhar an end up dead in a week or two their minds were still on the world and their loved ones and they dropped their guard. My dad is and always will be my hero. It saddens my heart. There were no parades for those craziest boys who didn't even want to go to war. They were drafted not given sufficient training sent off to hell itself. And they had to wait thirty years to finally hear people thank them for their service to this day. The only people I've heard my dad's speak up with hatred or LBJ and Jane Fonda. He came home burned his uniform didn't talk about it again until his nosy pesky. Son may started asking questions. Thank you for doing. Vietnam. Veterans Justice in this episode of Justice. They didn't get for years. After surviving. Hell keep on sucking, Josh from Texas. Wow. Yeah. Powerful story. Josh? I'm Saudi didn't get a parade either. I mean, your dad and others fought bravely is meant in World War Two, they didn't get to pick the context of their war. They were just drafted like millions of other men have been drafted over the years. Glad he made it back. 'nother grandpa tale now from Caleb for girl Caleb writes, dear Mr. suck master one point. Oh, great leader of the spaces are army bringer of truth, and all things sucky savior of the soccer. I absolutely love the Vietnam, suck. A group was stories from my grandpa, Kenny about it. He always told me about how he tried to join the airforce when they started up the draft to take the easy way out. He always said, but he drug is feet and was drafted as a combat engineer in the army a story that always stuck with me and one, I think would also be interesting to you took place basically right after he arrived in Vietnam. He had been on patrol in the morning hours looking for mine's other explosives. The enemy had possibly dug up and placed onto pass the GI's would normally take he always mentioned how he would tape his dog tags together. So they wouldn't make noise when navigate through the jungle with the clashing of guns and heavy boots tripping over down trees and other foliage couldn't have been any quieter, they'd stopped for a brief rest and started off again when the entire treeline ahead of them lit up everyone dropped returned fire into the. Would line and then silence. No birds, no bugs nothing making noise. He said it was so quiet he'd here, his buddies heartbeat next to him. Not a single person was blinking as fast as it started. It was over. And then he said, we picked up our shit moved on. And then he laugh and I remember thinking, what the fuck when I was sixteen sitting his house, Sharon, a joint and watching twilight zone. Yes, you'll bass, you're still parties. Ha ha. Anyway. Just thought you'd like to read a story, I fucking love your show and I'm very proud to be spaces or keep on talking give Django so good. Head-scratching for me. Yes. Praise jingles and can't imagine someone going through stuff like that Caleb. I've in the woods at ton, and it's such a place of peace for me. So lucky to never have had to worry about just being lit, the fuck up at any second, again, like I said during the episode no wonder so much PTSD from that war. Glad he made it back as well. And now a tale from Eric staffer. Who wants to let everyone know how bad ass his. JR OTC assistant army. Instructor was Eric writes. Hi, dan. Absolutely. Love the show. In been an avid listener since episode one. Wow. Thanks for being longtime listener. I've been to both. You're both. I've been to both of your Grand Rapids shows absolutely loved it looking for returning later this year. Just finished the Vietnam, saw you did an amazing job who's incredibly entertaining. And I learned a thing or two. You ask people to Email you, if they had experience with fighting or protesting. Well, my old Jero TC assistant army instructor. Sergeant. Mater sergeant major Adams? He was an amazing man who taught me a lot. He was the first man of Tommy shoot and later coached, my marksmanship team to a state championship on one of these trips. He told us about Vietnam, and the one firefight, he was involved in that haunted him to the grave, he was patrolling through rice, paddies when a stipend bullet struck his rucksack knocked him to the ground gunfire erupted around him in his squad. They stepped into an ambush they fell back some wooded area and held their ground and the dense forest hours of fighting he attempted to regroup and make sure as men were. Okay. One man was MIA once they realized he was missing. They began searching the surrounding jungles and known VC hideouts hours later that missing soldier, and this is going to be very graphic was found tied to a tree with barbed wire and shot multiple times as though he'd been used for target practice. His body had been mutilated, and desecrated sergeant major Adams blamed himself for his death and suffered from major PTSD years after high school. I learned that his. Mental state deteriorated rapidly and who's being detained by police for calling him bomb threats to local businesses. He said he was trying to save people from a box of live grenades. He died a few years ago, and I can only help he was able to forgive himself. I still have an old message from him where he congratulated me on winning my first target shooting competition apologies that along message but wanted to share that with you and your team. Thanks, Eric staffer. And thank you, Eric who good thing to think about when you when you see a homeless vet to, you know, may maybe not so fast with the lazy bum type thoughts, maybe they saw some shit that would have fucking completely wreck your mind as well. Hope he did finally, find some peace, so yes, rest in peace. Sergeant major atoms nother tale of Vietnam service comes in from Jason Scott, who shares his father story, Jason writes, dear sergeant suck and the bojangles army third. Triple m division LUSA FINA company, thanks to the Vietnam, suck. It's still very personal to a lot of listeners, and I feel like you handle it with a great deal of diplomacy and not too much humor that could've taken away from the reality of it. My dad served in the army near the end of the conflict in the eighty second airborne division. So Vietnam lived in my home for my whole life. He wouldn't shy from talking about it with me, and I learned a lot. On his perspective. I don't wanna go onto long but I wanna share just a little bit of his hard earned wisdom. He objected to veterans being called a hero, not excuse me. He objected to veterans being called a hero just for signing up and he always made a point to remind me that sometimes people weren't brave saying, son. Sometimes they're just stupid. And sometimes they are just run into their own grave on purpose. He volunteered because he didn't want to suck hind teat in the regular army, and got in the eighty second dad sounds like fucking Chuck Norris. Tough motherfucker despite being an impoverished rural kid from the south. He understood some of the political wrangling behind the scenes Vietnam and knew it was a shit show going in throughout his life. You always said that he knew Kissinger, LBJ, etc. Took advantage of the mostly poor soldiers in the war was about free market space that his heart, but he ardent patriot always said that, even if all they did was make life, a little more tolerable for one Vietnamese kid, it was all worth it. He said that he never felt he was fighting for the president or for congress, but for the ideals of freedom and democracy. And that any amount of bloodshed. Was worth it. If it meant people could have a chance of freedom, sadly, Vietnam, became what it did. But I know that hard bastards like my old man believed in a greater cause we're willing to lay it all on the line for it. If nothing else comes out of it. I hope the experience in Vietnam serves as a sad reminder of the human costs of advancing political agendas, and the lives of our vets can remain a daily reminder of the debt, we owe them for their selfless service, even if they are polish. Or in the air force new listener. That's a callback to small jokes. Anyhow, thanks for a sobering, suck. My dad passed last year, and this reminded me of him, and I hope some other vets out there know that despite the political fuck, ary surrounding surrounding the war. We appreciate all those willing to serve a country. No matter what to our vets, my lose FINA be ever. So merciful, and her temptations. Bojangles bite, the ass of our enemies yours, and sucking humble spaces are Jay Scott man. Thank you, Jay for such a poignant message and rest in peace, Mr. Scott. Love the way your dad, rationalized the service, J perfectly. He fought for freedom fought for his for his own notion of freedom and spreading that and didn't care about the politics is surrounded. It's okay time for two more tales told us going to be big one. I the two comes from Rochelle, man, Rachelle you got tricky 's name sticky. Okay. I know you didn't pick it rebels to Katie who writes in with a subject line of fuck Vietnam and shares a tale of her father, Rachelle writes. Hey, Dan, quick. Vietnam story for you. My father was born in nineteen fifty one was drafted just days after eighteen birthday nineteen sixty nine for years, he'd watched numerous other young men in his hometown of dodge city. Kansas, be sent over for the war, including two of his older brothers. He went off to boot camp in Georgia, or maybe Texas and said they would decide who set up the mess hall, who cleaned up the mess hall by line is all up in having his count off one two, etc. He said this was a common practice for breaking up. The man who was used for all situations, including deciding, who is to be stationed in Germany, and who is going to be shipped to Vietnam. His words were if I'd been to that day, I would have died. He knew many of the men who are the unlucky twos. The regiment those men were a part of was complete. -pletely obliterated in Vietnam, not a single one survived. While my father was stationed in Germany, for two years and immediately pond, getting back to Kansas enrolled in college to avoid for service. He was one of five young men drafted from dodge city to make it home alive. I visited Washington DC with him last summer. He never been never had the chance to see the Vietnam memorial before took the time to find all the names and pay individual respect all those who he knew who weren't as lucky as he was before that trip, he had never talked about his army experience twenty seven years a life. All I knew was that he was stationed in Germany, during Vietnam. He definitely believes that the military conflict was nothing more than a giant, fucked up hamburger hill. I've included a picture my dad at the memorial pointing to a classmates name as well as a picture of the memorial as a whole and one more of him smiling to light. If the mood you're loyal spaces Rachelle will. Thank you for shell. Thank you for the pictures. They are wonderful crazy thing. How close he came to not make it home alive. Now just random chance. Crazy thing how, how close you. To not existing glad both made it to that memorial. I have seen it in his definitely on Spiring, and that's for someone who has no personal connection to it last message nother perspective on Vietnam veteran. Tara Snyder sending a message titled shot down during a ceasefire South Vietnamese, South Vietnamese pilot is kind of a nice one to end on terror writes, dear suck master flex, I just finished the Vietnam, war, suck and as a bit of a history in Vietnam war buff. I loved it. I wanted to write you however, to share some perspective from the South Vietnamese air force pilot and two thousand and two I listed in the army national guard was assigned to an aviation unit at that time, there were a thank you for your service that time there were small handful of Vietnam era pilots still floating around the flight facility. One of those pilots was a South Vietnamese man named Chief Warrant Officer chew Lee. I took advantage of Mr. lease friendliness and openness several times during one of my conversations with Mr Lee. I asked how many times were you shot down? He cast. Only four times that's fucked crazy. That's four times gets shut down. Then continued by stating how the first time he was shot down was during the ceasefire. Nine hundred seventy two his casual demeanor to the questions still stuns me to this day, but I'm not writing Justice share that story, actually, it is actually his story of how he came to the US permanently though. I wanna share he flew you h one or Huey helicopters throughout the war. He was flying his helicopter on a mission when it came across the radio, the Saigon and fallen at the south surrendering, he suddenly found himself without a home or a country, he landed his helicopters airbase sock Trung, located fifty miles off the coast. He knew he stayed in Vietnam. He'll be treated as a traitor, and you're killed or sent to reeducation camp. He knew the US navy seventh fleet was somewhere in the South China Sea. But there was no guarantee he could make the flight with the amount of fuel onboard, seeing no other option. He turned on his helicopter prepare to take off at that moment is helicopter was flooded with other people wanting to escape the communist regime. He recalled that when he took off his helicopter was alerting him that had too much weight on board. But he nor the lights, he saw no other option for himself, and headed out into the abyss with only twenty minutes of fuel left. He was able to make contact with an aircraft carrier who guided him to a safe landing as soon as Mr Lee landed, and everyone was off the aircraft carrier ship crew. Pushed the helicopter into the ocean to make room for the next helicopter trying to land. There are still hundreds of aircrafts sitting at the bottom of the ocean due to the mass exodus of people from South Vietnam. Here's a link to a longer interview, they share in that in total nearly one hundred and thirty eight thousand refugees fled Vietnam, to seek refuge in the US and other countries around the world. I have an entire twenty page paper somewhere regarding the US hailing, the Vietnamese refugees, but I won't bore you with those details details, also, if you ever curious to read a first hand account of what it was like grope and South, Vietnam, I recommend reading the book, a thousand falling the true story of a Vietnamese family torn apart by war, communism. The CIA written by young crawl. Ms, crawls father supported the north from other supporting the south MS crawl would marry a you. Air force pilot moves the US prior to the end of the war, she would work alongside the CIA and FBI to gain intelligence through her father, who became the communist Vietnam's ambassador to the Soviet Union or excuse me, in the Soviet Union served as long as just really wanted to mention the South Vietnamese men, women and children who fled their homeland terraced Snyder will thank you Tara, what an ice message to illustrate what soldiers were fighting over there to free people, many of whom clearly did not want to live in a communist regime, and like, like one of the veterans we mentioned here today, spoke of, you know, to me that makes makes the involvement in the war in the war. Definitely morally justifiable, thanks to all of you who send in your tails ED's. Great personal touch the topic, you know that just reading history ports just can't do just just makes it so much more real, thanks to all of you who have served in that war on any other serve your message did not get red. We were flooded with tons of Vietnam messages being sent our way this past week which were so thankful to have had that happen. That's all for today. And of course HALE Nimrod. Thanks time. Nine. We all did. Thanks for. Listen to another show suckers pre she had the support have a great week. Hope you find a magical sort. If you do. I mean, it would be kind of nice to get it for me for my, you know, from expert they to may seventeenth two thousand two hundred twenty I'm not gonna beg for magic sword. But clearly my fucking family's gonna give it to me, so you know, when you think about that. And I guess, price price keep on soccer as well. Can you? Please just give me a fucking sword. That will kill everyone.

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Steven & Cary and Madame Lalaurie

Bad In The Boondocks

28:06 min | 1 year ago

Steven & Cary and Madame Lalaurie

"Is. Would. Baddie. The boot. Good. Hey, welcome to bat in the boondocks as always I am Stanley, and I'm drew, and we are surely glad to be here with you today. It's been a long day, but just one mention we do have our first, we are now on patriot on our patriotic page is live. There are three tiers each tier has different perks and benefits won't you tell them the tears. We have our we, we wound dockers, we have our growing boom. Doctors and we have our full grown Boone doctors, so go out, go to patriarch dot com. Search for bad in the boondocks, and it'll bring up our page you can join there. We have our first bonus patron only episode out and it's a good one. We're excited about our patriots page. And we are hoping that you will join us because we have a lot of interesting and new things that we're going to add to patrons only. All right. Yeah. We both have a story today we're going to get right on into it with you going. I all right. Let me take me a sip Morrison the throat. Okay. And I'm gonna do the interesting case and tragic case of Stephen and Kerry Steiner. The two brothers of the Steiner family are both famous both tied to the wonder of Yosemite national park and both new unspeakable horrors, that have similar national park is that like in California or some, thanks. Fund back for you. If by. By that up. Well, you keep on talking you keep talking. And then I'll come back to you. Stephen Steiner, captured the heart of a nation when he helped another child at scape from a pedophile after enduring years of abuse, and not willing to see the child experience, the same fate Kerry Steiner will forever be known for marring Yosemite. Reputation as a peaceful retreat with the brutal murders of four innocent women. And guess what, what it is in California in from the pictures, it looks really good. Yes. Very good place to visit the Steiner family made up of the two brothers there, three sisters and parents K and Dilbert lived in the secluded farming town of Mercedes, California. Tober. Surrounded by almond, groves, and peach orchards. In the shadow of Yosemite, national park Kerry looked out for Stephen according to carry Steiner, former classmate JAT bunker. He loved us, brother. Martin Purdy a friend of the brothers remembered as nice guy. Martin says he was kind of a quiet guy, our days would be just get on our bikes in the morning, and then go to the park, hang out with our friends or skateboard. The boys were still in elementary school when a man named Kenneth Parnell entered the picture. Parnell worked at the Yosemite lodge located about two hours away from the stain or home he befriended. A co worker named Ervin Murphy to assist him in abou- at that would shape the family forever. It was a sleety wintery day. He in urban Murphy got into Kin's big, white Buick, and drove into Mersad big white view. It was December the fourth of nineteen seventy two then seven year old Stephen Steiner was walking home from school on highway one, forty when Parnell in Murphy were driving towards town stain. Her was lured into the vehicle and up -ducted. Kenneth Cornell stopped his car and went to a pay fo and then he came back, and he told Stephen your parents, I just spoke to them. They no longer won't you. So, you know that probably devastated. Little Steven or. Yeah. Mercedes was the lead police department, and so they really mounted a large effort to search, and they searched and they searched and there was just nothing. Carey was very upset. When Stephen was adopted are witnessing mean on bass own this national park. It is pretty big. So it would be very difficult found somebody out in here about he wasn't in the national park. Who are you even list, then never mind? Well, it was busy looking stuff up. Okay. While Carey is the one that's going to be. The Yosemite killer. Okay. Okay. All right. You get on with it. For years. Parnell traveled around California. With stephen. Stephen Steiner had a new father figure. It was Kenneth Arnelle who by day was this father and by that night. He was his ripest. Stephen was told his new name was going to be Dennis Parnell. And he was even enrolled in school. Against the odds. He flourished there. He had a great personality said, Laurie Duke data's Stephen in high school. But new as Dennis he was spunky. She said. While Steven was a freshman at Mendocino high school some three hundred miles to the south. His older brother, Kerry wasn't upperclassmen at Mersad high school. There was a slight Paulo over on Kerry, because he was the kid who had his brother kidnapped. What does that have to just like, in the shadow, everybody knew him as the child that the brother was kidnapped? Okay. Here. Steiner was a very good cartoonist and will he was voted most creative at school. Steiner. However, he always wore had he had a horrible. He would yank his hair, so he actually wore hats cover all the ball spots. Not very good. Carey Steiner also exhibited some behaviors that made others uncomfortable including as he later, admitted, exposing himself to assist friend, one night while she spent the night. It seemed as though he had a compulsion with trying to get close to women or be sexual with them. But he was unable to develop any sort of interpersonal relationship with any woman. You had one brother who had been subjected to just unspeakable horror for years. But by all appearances everybody else he was a happy go lucky kid and had a girlfriend, then you had the other brother who was left at home, and he had no interesting girls and no interest in people. He wasn't just a loner. He was like a creepy loner who, by the time Stephen was fourteen he had been abused. Emmy manipulated by Parnell for seven years. At some point poor Nell and Steven together realize that Stephen was growing up in that he was no longer going to be controlled by Parnell Parnell wanted. Another kid that was younger that he could sexually assault in February of nineteen eighty Parnell decided to capture a new younger. Boy, he paid a local kid to ride with him to the little town of Yucai, California. And he put the high school kid out on the street to go find him a boy. And he found five year old Timothy white walking home from school to say so he paid. Lucca teenager to rob with him row fund a younger boy. Right. For him. Yes. Okay. For two weeks. Stephen watched Timothy supper suffer the separation from his family, then he took matters into his own hands. His high school girlfriend said he later told her what happened he said that he was not going to let that child go through what he had already been through. So he knew if he didn't take care of it. Now, it would just get worse on March, first of nineteen eighty Stephen waited until Parnell was at work. Then he fled with the new younger. Boy, Timothy, the to hitchhike hitch hiked to you Kaya California. It was dark in TIMMY, couldn't remember where he lived. So Stephen figure that the best thing to do was to take him to the police station. Not only was Stephen able to explain to police, what happened to him and Timothy, he was also able to tell them, his real name was Steven, not Dennis telling police. I know my first name is Steven became the most iconic moment in Stevens remarkable story later, it became the title of a book and television movie, Steven was a national hero. He returned to Merced said, try off it within days of returning home. He was on good Morning America on good Morning America in March nineteen eighty Stephen shared with former host David Hartman that it felt great to be home. He told Hartmann that his parents didn't change that much. But his brothers and sister, they changed. Lot. He never recognised either one of them. At a press conference outside the stain her house. Everyone was smiling. There was a lot of jubilation. But if you look in the background, there's something worth noting, and it's Carey in his baseball cap. And he's not smiling at all Kerry, as the older brother had a very strange relationship. Now with his youngest brother Stephen, who was getting all of this attention, and who was a different person. The brother were four years pond a shared a room, but they did not get along Steven didn't understand the rules that he was now expected to live up because he had been allowed to drink smoke. Whatever he wanted to do. Yeah. The first year was pretty hectic for seven years. Carey said that he had been supposedly an only child, but now he had to complete compete with us brother and three sisters. Stephen also struggled in high school where he was bullied for the tragic abuse. He had endured. Flynn said his sexuality was constantly under attack in addition to his fraught life at home and at school, Stephen steel, Justin ager also had to face Parnell in court Parnell was convicted on kidnapping and false imprisonment charges. He was sentenced to seven years in prison, but he only served five that was less time than he had Stephen kidnapped for. Exactly. That's pretty sad. It was outrageous. There was out and out fury over the senate's Ken Parnell went back to what he had been doing for years. He found someone else to help him find another boy, but he was called and he was sitting prison again, and he died there in two thousand eight. While Steven was grappling with life after his escape, his brother was out of high school with his own troubles. Terry after high school seemed to little loss lucky didn't know where he was going. He was known to take refuge in nearby Yosemite, where he driven up and got lost in nature. Whatever demons were clamoring around in his head by being naked by smoking pot. He could find the peace that he so desperately needed. Stephen Steiner's famous shortly up. He grew up got married. Any add to kids? He was very proud of who he was. He was just very well grounded for person that had gone through what he had gone through. However, tragically Stephen Steiner was killed in nineteen eighty nine in a motorcycle accident. He was twenty four years old. That's not very fair. It doesn't seem fair that shortly after Stephen's death. He died before his kidnapper. He's ashley. That's what I was thinking this says shortly after Stephen's death and alkyl within Carey was staying was very close with was shot and killed in a home. They shared together. By this point Kerry, stain her was suffering. He had had a couple of nervous breakdowns, and one was pretty violent. He stated that he felt like jumping in a truck driving it through the shop and killing the boss and killing everyone in the office. And then torching the place. Instead of seeking mental health treatment stained. Her ended up taking refuge in Yosemite in nineteen ninety seven Steiner got a job as a handyman at the cedar lodge, seven miles from the gate of the national park working at cedar lodge gave Kerry access to his beloved Yosemite. His idea of serenity was to maybe smoke a little pot and to sunbathed naked to of course Steiner had been at cedar lodge for two years, when Carol sun her teenage daughters. Julie sun and her friend Silvino Pelosi came to stay one night in February of nineteen ninety nine that night. He talked his way into their room under the guise of fixing a leak, because he was the handyman. But then he sexually assaulted both girls and brutally murdered all three. The search for the women was the largest ever mounted in Yosemite. At anytime after several weeks, the bodies of all three women were discovered five months, passed without another killing and the community surrounding Yosemite was loaded into a sense of calm, especially when the FBI announced that those they believed responsible for the murder for in custody. In fact, the raw men were in custody, but on July the twenty first of nineteen ninety nine when Steiner saw, Joey Armstrong, a twenty six year old naturalist at Yosemite halt children about nature in the park something instantly changed with him. He was ready to kill again, after her friends reported her missing. Police found signs of a struggle at our cabin and a half a mile away. They found her body her head, which had been removed. Moved was found several feet away in the water. There wasn't really much time for the police speculate on whether this was related. Because right now Yosemite. Fork has Val thousand population right now. The all in back, then I don't know how much it was, but only about a thousand so there couldn't be two min old less than that suspects. I guess you could say well, but you have all this. Yeah. With it would be list than the now on that. But Steiner left a substantial amount of evidence in and around Armstrong's cottage. But police initially started searching form because his vehicle had been seen near her place. And they thought he would be a natural witness to interview, thirties had already interviewed him once before about the other three murders. But at the time he hadn't raised any red flags FBI agents caught up with stain at a nudist colony where he hid fled to after Armstrong with murder. After he was brought in for questioning he can. I wonder if they gave him close. Honestly, sir. He confessed murdering Joey Armstrong, describing the brutal killing as if he was reading a soup label. Soon after he confessed to murdering Carol son. Julie sun and so-, Beena Pelosi. Now, this is quote, I went to ask if Kerry wanted to talk said, if I won't you to get a hold of some Doucet's in Los Angeles. I wanna movie of the week made about my story. That's what carries him. There was a movie made about Stephen Steiner. He wanted the same treatment. He wanted the world to take note of he also did way. Good in him. What if he had tragedy put on him xactly, it's difficult for me to picture, what Kerry has done and knowing Steve, because their personalities are completely opposite Stevens? Former girlfriend said the only time Steve would kill anything like a fish is because we were going to eat it. You know what I mean? She said I wouldn't think that he would think of himself as one but he is a hero. For the last twenty years Steiner has been on death row at San Quentin prison. He's. Eight years old. Now, of course. And that's what a gun on him. But he's never been remorseful about killing or meaning that if that even ask for some child porn. And he would tell them. Yeah. And he would convince. Okay. It's what you got, who you got what you got who you got. When you've got y you got. Okay of God. Madam low. Laurie madam. Pretty it's pretty old, but I mean a sparkler oldie but goody only good. I guess you could say that. Well, Madam will Laurie was born as Mary Dell. Fien McCarty on March nineteenth seventeen eighty seven in New Orleans, she was you are offered lid. She was the child of Louis Barthelemy her father in her mother was Mary, Jean her father immigrated from Ireland to the US in seventeen thirty her mother was French, and they lived in the white community in New Orleans. The McCord family was very wealthy and moved from for ans- to New Orleans to engage in different profitable ventures. The McCarty family was very broad ranging from rich merchants. Army officials and slavers Madame belonged as one of the five children of the family at the age of thirteen. Madam was a very pretty girl, which is not make Horford fund. A decent groom. In June of eighteen hundred at the age of thirteen she had her first marriage with a high ranking Spanish official named Don rain, Delopez e Angelo, which she got married at thirteen. That's how it was. Yeah, you've got married pretty young. You've popped out base by the time. He's exactly he was appointed general Spain shortly after the marriage which made her one of the most powerful women in the state because most of New Orleans was ruined by Spanish occupation at the time. Dome was called back. Spain in eighteen four. But on its way he passed away. Mysteriously many people at different claims for staff, but his death is still on shore. On dome don's way back to Spain. Madame had a daughter in after his death. She returned back to New Orleans the next four years. She spent her time living in her mansion in New Orleans. So they got married for the second time in eighteen o eight two gene block. He was also very wealthy, working as a merchant banker in lawyer after they got married. They bought a house in Royal street and gave birth to four children. And this marriage is will did not last long when Jean passed away. Eight years later in eighteen sixteen. One of the daughters over second marriage was deformed and have problems with their spinal cord. She was sent a doctor Lewis low Lori for treatment to fix her, but was unsuccessful the doctor was attracted to Madam and proposed to her. He was twenty years younger than her. But that didn't matter. And they married in eighteen twenty five. He's a. He'll commit may recall reporting loud noises coming from their house. Wonder what that could be house of no? Doku hockett. She became infamous for the bad treatment of the slave, she owned she, like many others own slaved, and she kept them in the slave quarters outside of the Royal street mansion. They were they were hired to do little jobs around the house. Rumors spread that the slaves were very mistreated and lived in fear one time, one of the slaves Xidan licata tangle, while brushing her owner Sayer. So Madam got a whip and try to hit her with it. But by this time, the slave ran into the attic in climbed on the roof. They are she lost her footing and fail to her death. The neighbor of Madame witness her being on the roof in slipping only to hear the Lael fall blow from this instant, she had to pay three hundred dollars and give up non for sleighs, which, of course, she bought back not long after one of the slaves was scared a punishment that would have to him. So he threw himself out of the third story, window and fail to death. There were mixed feelings about this and people said that she was sweet to them. And then more other said, she was able to them a fire broke out in madams Royal street mansion, which started in the kitchen. When police arrived, they found a seventy year old black woman Todd to the stove climbing. She started the fire because she feared the punishment Madam was going to foot on her. So these are a lot of slaves like you know, that the punishments way worse than the slaves actually killing themselves. Yeah. Torture. Yeah. The fire would not slow down. So some of the by standards, they tried to intervene. But Madame and her husband refused soy, anyone into their house. So the crowd they took it upon themselves to break down the door and enter enter the home. What they found when they entered the home was shocking. They found seven brutally torture slaves with some of their limbs to form and some of them their intestines were pulled out of their bodies in Todd around them which caused their death. Yeah. The wall mob broke hill on the mansion after finding out this news. They destroyed any positions that remain firs. That the fire did not get. This the slaves that were not brutally KIO were sent to the police station where they gave their counts of what? They went through the court Kreil was even more fury aided after they were sent for public viewing, so these slaves that were already beaten were sent to be viewed in public after it was all over. There was basically nothing left of the mansion, and it was left in ruins after the fire Madame knew not to get caught. So she fled after this. There's not too much about what she was doing. But we do know that after the fire in eighteen thirty four. She flew to pairs France, where she spent the rest of her life. What is known to this day is that she died on December seventh? Eighteen forty nine. Choosy. Looking at some of the pictures. Yeah. And on some counts say that she could have actually tortured and killed over a hundred slaves but that's not one hundred percent accurate. So I didn't that seems a little. Yes. So I didn't put that in there, but there were some accounts, it said that she could have. While even if it was, she's definitely even. Oh, yeah. All right. 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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 110: American Horror Story

GSMC Television Podcast

1:06:25 hr | 9 months ago

GSMC Television Podcast Episode 110: American Horror Story

"Watching TV has changed over time. Streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television. PODCAST UNCAST dives headfirst to the world of cord. Cutting wants to be on the loop of what's hot and Netflix. Or if it's not a preference what about original shows it was in Hulu. We've got you covered. Join us as we fill the blind and talk about movies to stream and what show. You should be benched. This this the golden state media concepts television podcast. mm-hmm thank you for tuning in to the GMC television podcast brought to you by the GMC. PODCAST network I'm your host Leeann. Ao Me. I'm excited about today's episode. Because we're going to take a deep dive into American horror story the show from fx and of course later in the show we're GONNA do set it on red it I let's start out by going through some of the shows stats it. Got An eight point one out of ten on. Im DB seventy six percent on rotten tomatoes and ninety five percent of Google. Google users like the show American horror story just wrapped up. Its ninth season called H. S. Nineteen eighty-four So I'm really excited to get to fill you guys in on that but we are going to start at the beginning. We're going to start with murder house so there's been nine. Total auto seasons each one is a separate storyline with a beginning middle and end all to itself a lot of the actors that are in each season played different characters in other subsequent seasons. I think that's one of the things that I really find entertaining about the show and of course a lot of the newer seasons seasons have some wonderful guest stars as well so we'll go through each of those and a little bit of Trivia as we work our way through all of the seasons of American Horror Story Story. All right here we go. Murder House is season. One of American horror story it aired in two thousand and eleven centers on the Harman family doctor Ben Harmon. Vivian and their daughter Violet. Who moved from Boston to Los Angeles? After Vivian has a miscarriage in Ben has an affair affair they move into a restored mansion unaware that the house is haunted by the ghost of its former residents and their victims. I really like the way that this description description wraps up What the show is about because that that really is what? The first season is Murder House. The first time I tried had to watch it being really honest with you I was not a fan. I did not understand what the show was supposed to be. Overall horror is my favorite genre in Russia and I love thrillers and adventure type movies and shows and I just hadn't seen anything like this and I didn't know oh where the story was going and so the first attempt that I made back when it was coming out on. TV In two thousand and eleven. I stopped watching a few episodes in now. Leader wants you could binged on net flicks and a couple of seasons were out vote. I decided you know. The show's really popular. I should probably give it another try so I started again with murder house and holy moly early. I absolutely fell in love with the show. I don't know what my problem was that first time around. I just must not have been in the mood or something but on the second watch I I fell in love by the end of the first season. I was all in and could not wait to see what else they were going to do. At that time I hadn't realized realized that the second season was going to be a totally different story so again a little learning curve on my part but it was the first time something like this had happened. I'm the show. Did Win. Numerous awards for being so just crazy. Cool I guess. Some Trivia that that I thought was interesting from this season There's one of the characters who dies and discovers their body and when that character discovers their own body they are not faking their reaction. The scream everything is genuine. That particular Miller actor had not seen their body double and absolutely freaked out. They caught it. And that's what ended up making the final cut. I find that got to be very interesting. Also Zachary Quinto who plays a gay man in the show. Hadn't actually come out as gay at the time of the airing. He did come out shortly after I find the timing on that really awesome and empowering that you know I like to think that something the thing about being that character and having it be so well received may have helped him to actually step up and come out and be who he is yes so that is murder house now. We're going to move on to season to season. Two of American horror story is called asylum this aired in two thousand and twelve. Of course it's a whole new setting a whole new set of characters but many of them are played by the same actors and this season begins in nineteen sixty four at the fictional mental institution. Briar cliff manner. Following the stories of the staff and inmates who occupy Diet and intercut with events in the past and present returning cast members from the previous season includes Zachary Quinto Sarah Paulson. Evan Peters Absolutely Rabi Jessica Lang Dylan McDermott and Francis Conroy. And for me. The most notable guest star for this particular season was this justifies. who also played he who must not be named Lord Voldemort in the Harry Potter series? Now while the first season takes place place in a beautiful house in a normal neighborhood and in regular everyday life asylum really takes place in a gritty dirty already tainted asylum. The whole environment is different flavor and feel is absolutely palpable. I really really really enjoyed this particular season of the show I've watched it through twice. At least maybe more now in this particular season is pretty graphic. There are a lot of buts shots in the season There's some canings and some of the clothing that the prisoners wear that sort of thing So actually this particular season Earned itself the nickname asylum. Which I thought was pretty funny? I had to share that with you guys another little interesting tidbit tidbits. That I found in this season is Dr Tread sins characters played by Acharya. Quinto who as I already mentioned is openly gay l.. His character victor in this particular season actually advocates behavior modification to treat and cure homosexuality. So there's a little bit of irony there one of the things that the show does well. is giving nods to developmentally disabled type characters. Even in the first season there's an actress who oh has down syndrome. Who's playing an amazing character? And she shows up in several other seasons as well There is an actress named Naomi. Aggress men who plays pepper. Who is a pinhead character Who is also developmentally delayed? She becomes one of the most lovable characters in the season. Even though she's not maybe the most prominent character she also had Toco through an extremely grueling makeup process in order to play that character. So I find that really interesting. She did a great job in acting in the role will and this character also shows up in another season. Adding the layer of creepy intensity in the show Most of the seasons seasons have some ties to real history and things that have happened For Asylum in particular Sarah Paulson's character is in under your cover person she goes undercover at Briar cliff. To do an expose on immoral practices but in reality. She's based on Donna J stone who went undercover to expose a Willow Brooks criminal practices Of course it played out a little bit differently for her and ultimately draw the Rivera Was the one who actually shut down willowbrook with an expose But it does add a level of creepy nece knowing that something similar you no in some ways have ha- has happened out there in the world I mean on that point asylums in general have a really creepy sort sort of aura to them. Most of them were used more like a prison to go and throw people who are different who were challenged challenged in any sort of way You know there because of the way that the laws used to be a husband who is no longer fond of their wife could have have them committed and no longer have to speak with them or deal with them There's been lots of different movies and shows about it and because of that and The I guess beginnings of Mental Health Services and some of the more brutal practices that went along with the beginning of that type of work Not Everybody who was put into an institution was treated very well and ask. Funding went away and supervision wasn't great. There's some pretty awful stories out there so I think in asylum is a magnificent setting setting for a horror movie. I would never be that person who goes to sleep in an asylum for any amount of money overnight because I'm just just going to play it safe All right well That's it for season one and season two when we come back from break. We're we'RE GONNA start talking about American horror stories season. Three the Coven until he testy the president of the Law School School Mission Council working to make legal education accessible for everyone. If you're thinking of applying to law school the law school. Admission Council Offers Free L.. Sat Prep tools practice exams and many other products and services to help you and your law school journey make a difference in the world visit visit. WWW dot discover law dot com today to know the latest cantatas music hitting the airwaves dillard be left out listened to the golden state media concepts music. PODCAST G. Keeps you on the loop with everything you need to know from rock hiphop top flooring and we'll throwing news of your favorite artist concert and tour dates and so much more for you. Listen no further because this is the gold standard in music podcasts. All right welcome back. We've been talking about American Horror Story We have reached season. Three three the coven which came out in twenty thirteen. This season takes place in New Orleans. It follows a coven of witches. That descended descended from Salem as they fight for survival it also features some flashbacks to sixteen ninety two during the infamous Salem witch trials. The eighteen thirties thirties. One thousand nine hundred thousand nine hundred sixty nine hundred seventy s and nineteen ninety s This particular season has a lot of returning cast members. There's from the first two seasons and the most notable Additions to the cast would be a roberts. Kathy Bates Angela Angela Bassett and debris city bay. I absolutely loved this particular season. I thought the acting was great. Some of the characters in this particular season are so lovable and interesting. I just. I couldn't stop watching watching. I binged this series as quickly as I could basically swallowed it whole No regrets there by the way so that is something the highly recommend that you do. I'm not sure if I mentioned it before. But American horror story is available to binge on Netflix. So definitely signing Sinan and get to Watchin- okay. So the coven. It was so popular when it first started to Air Maybe because of the change in cast or the additions to the cast that it added five point five million viewers to the view list. That is amazing Also each individual episode of this particular season got really high ratings if you look on. IMDB you can check that out it. And I can understand why the ratings again great characters great acting but the environment that this particular the season takes place in is also very interesting and rife with real history once again. This season is playing off of some real life history mixed in with a whole lot of fiction I think one of the most notable real life characters is Madame delphine. Lulla re we who has played by Kathy Bates She was a prominent New Orleans socialite in the eighteen hundreds. She was discovered to have tortured and killed many of her slaves leaves in her chamber. Of Horrors Her house is still said to be haunted to this day I also believe it's a place that you can go to take get tour so if you're into that sort of thing there you go another notable character that was based on true life Would have to be Marie. Ludo Marie lavelle is played by Angela. Bassett in the show. She's an ancient voodoo queen of New Orleans in reality she was a revered woman in the city Back in the eighteen twenties and eighteen sixties She practiced black magic. Just like she did on the show But she was a hairdresser on the side I am. She was north known for being a nurse in a healer So really she garnered a lot of respect from her community the way that they integrate her character. You're into the show. I think is very clever and very well done overall. I found this story arc in this particular season to be really really fascinating. I highly recommend that you watch it and if you're going to binge through to the more current seasons you're definitely going to want to watch this one because there are some call back characters in the future which is great But I don't want to spoil any of that for you. So instead I'm going to smoothly transition onto season for freak show. This came out in two thousand fourteen. Now Freak show is is probably my third favorite of all of the season's overall The reason that I'm in love with this show. Is there something thing about the freak show and circus sort of atmosphere. That just gets all of my creepy API census tingling. It just reminds me of the original freak. Show movie in Black and white one US one of us absolutely fabulous creepy filmmaking but after all that was always the intention of you've the freak show or the sideshows in the circus was to grasp your creativity and draw you in with wonder an an off. Unfortunately the people who were on display were not always treated well they were taken advantage of but also unfortunately the way that a society was at the time it actually gave a lot of autonomy and control for some of those individuals in their lives that they would not have had in regular society. So I guess it's a mixed bag but overall having been a caregiver of developmentally disabled adults and having studied psychology. I am very very happy that our world does not function in quite the same way today but as far as a horror anthology series is concerned concerned. A freak show is a wonderful season of American horror story. This particular season is mainly set in nineteen fifty fifty two in juniper Florida telling the story of one of the last remaining freak shows in the United States in their struggle for survival There's again a lot of notable returning cast members. Some of our favorite characters come back. I'm including Kathy. Bates Angela. Bassett just Jessica laying playing and Sarah Paulson happens to be one of my favorites. That's on the show With some special guest stars Michael. Goal Chiklis Finn Withdraw Talk John Carroll Lynch and Ben Wolf my favorite returning cast member though has to be. Naomi Grossman returning as pepper Pepper one thing that I am particularly happy about from this season especially considering the sensitive nature of capturing people with disabilities is that many of the characters the character or has a disability in the actor shares that disability for instance legalist suzy shares. There has the same condition. Paul Ma Petite petite and meet are all characters that have that condition in real life. So that's I mean Kudos to them for that and while my a seasons favorite character pepper is not played by somebody who has that particular disorder she has based on a real life character and so is salty her husband in the show. They are inspired by the Solti surtees Known as the show shelties. They used the PIN head from the early nineteen hundred sideshow performer. And they have micro self Issey a neurodevelopment developmental L. at mental disorder that causes an unusually small brain and skull. He had the cognizance of a three year old and could only speak in single syllable words he. He was mostly known because of his part in the nineteen thirty two film freaks which I already mentioned. It's the the Black and white film where they chant one of us one of us. Absolutely great filmmaking I loved his character dirt in that movie and I love the way that pepper capture suspicion of that character in this show there are several other characters that parallel parallel real life influences. But the last one that I'm going to mention on this show today is twisty the clown who is clearly you call back to John Wayne. Casey creepy clown performer turned serial killer. So overall freak show is is a really fascinating. Look at behind the scenes in a freak show. There's a lot of psychology in there. I really enjoyed enjoyed this particular season. I think you will too so definitely take a binge I spent a lot of time talking about this one because it is one of my favorites We are going to go ahead and cut to a break when we come back. We're going to pick up with season. Five of American Horror Story Hotel how to find out what movies to go see checkout. GMC movie podcast. It's it's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or were action. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See Now don't bother. What's hot on Netflix? And everything in between that's GMC PODCAST DOT COM slash movie dash podcast. When it's all about the movies movies? It has to be this new show. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. GS MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO. It took. Yeah you are right. Welcome back we've been talking about American Horror Story. We are now on season season. Five hotel Season five is interconnected with the first and third seasons and it is is the first season to not include the actors Jessica laying. In Fra Francis. Conroy the new additions is to the Castro Lady Gaga and Cheyenne Jackson. Other than that. There's a lot of returning people. The plot centers around the mysterious hotel core tease in Los Angeles California. It catches the eye of of a homicide. Detective though Cortes is host to many disturbing scenarios and paranormal events. It's overseen by its enigmatic matron that Countess who's played by Lady Gaga She is a blood sucking. Fashiony Jenista the hotels loosely based on an actual hotel from eighteen ninety three in Chicago Illinois the real life life inspiration was built by h homes and was basically built to torture murder and dispose of evidence. Much like in the court cortes really. It was known as the Murder Castle. I find that that history makes makes this really creepy sort of a rich story as well. There's a little bit of a shining vibe because we're in a big creepy hotel. I particularly particularly enjoy the shining. So I don't have a problem with that overall. This is probably my least favorite of of all of the seasons of this show. I dug some of the things they did with the vampire. Some of the characters. Some of them that are in the show are very interesting but most of them really are not. I stuck it out and I watched the whole season hoping that I was going to be wrong and there was going to be some big big twist. That was gonNA pull it all together. There was a twist it did get pulled together but not enough to redeem the rest of the season. I think that if you're going to skip season of American horror story this would be one. That's probably okay to skip however there are some call back to this particular hotel in future seasons. And so if you're a purist like me and you like to get that complete story just grit your teeth and get through it. It's not all that bad lady. Gaga does a good job in the role that she's she's very believable in her character. I'm just not particularly a fan of her acting skills. I guess I found this this particular season to be a little bit tedious to get through. Maybe it was a little too predictable for me. I just felt like overall. In the American horror story world. Some of their other stories had been so textural and so interesting. I didn't get that from this particular story and so I feel like I could have done without it. So let's see some of the things I did like again are the parallels to the real life inspiring characters so h h h h Holmes Being one of them Mr March is the equivalent inside this show We also see an alien warno character which is pretty interesting. Richard Ramirez makes an appearance. Jeffrey Dahmer John Wayne Casey so really. We're seeing a lot of serial killers pop up here and there but again I find their story interesting and actually there's an episode with all of them together other. That episode is my favorite episode in the entire season. So just going to throw that out there. I really don't have much else to say about that particular season so I'm GonNa go ahead and move on to season six roanoke roanoke which came out in twenty sixteen roanoke happens to be my favorite season of all the seasons so so far I definitely hope that they keep working towards beating roanoke because I would absolutely love to see some more of this Roanoke roanoke is really interesting because it takes on a totally different format than the other seasons had taken on. I really liked that at creativity and how they really turn themselves upside down and took a new approach. It was very refreshing especially in the sixth season of show but they stuck true to some of the things that make American horror story such an interesting show to watch of course a lot of our old favorites as far as the actors are concerned. Make a return Scuba gooding junior does joined the cast as well as Andre Holland. So that's really interesting. When it comes to this particular season the creators of the show were very careful to actually hide what the topic was going to be? Until the last minute They did we do end up. Finding out that the season incorporates the infamous fifteen eighteen eighty s roanoke colony disappearance. So there's your play on history It follows a documentary documenting paranormal documentary. That's being filmed Called my roanoke nightmare so this series or this season actually chilly plays out more like a documentary. That's being filmed and we follow along with that. So more of found footage type of feel for for at least part of the season which I really thought was nice and fresh for the series. The characters are really interesting. Kathy invades blows me away. Every time I see her in anything but this is absolutely no exception to that overall the season got positive reviews news. It was well liked by many so I definitely think you should give it a watch. The environment of the show is it is frightening. It's in that rule type of area. There's not much there. But of course the creepy woods We don't know what happened to do. The people who disappeared in Roanoke. I mean it's you know a one of those American legends actually in real life. So who knows what happened happened. They do a good job of painting a plausible story and making it creepiest. Heck some interesting trivia. Bits from this particular season season Angela Bassett actually directed the sixth episode of the season. It is a great episode. A good job Definitely give it a watch. Honestly just can't say enough good things about this particular season so on that note we should probably transition to the next season Zain which was season seven of American horror story cult. This aired in twenty seventeen hotel is definitely not my favorite season but colts is on that list as well I. I think that it could be that. This particular season feels too real to current. I mean it opened the opening being episode of season opens with finding out that trump is president I'm not I mean I'm I'm not a political person. It's not my jam and so I just didn't dig this season as much. It really felt real for those of you who are driven by political interests. This particular show really plays up on current events and and problems and things like that. Terrorism is a theme. It's it is an interesting story. I stuck it through not board for the second. I just felt really uncomfortable watching it. I I felt like I was just watching the news or modern events and that is so unfortunate is to be able to say that about our world now Well this particular season takes place in the fictional suburb of Brookefield Heights in Michigan during the year. Two thousand seventeen it centers around a colt that is terrorizing residents in the aftermath of the twenty sixteen presidential election. Those particular season did win several awards including Several EMMYS and best actor in a limited series. So you know. It was critically acclaimed good for them. But like I said just a little too real when I dig into a show like American horror story I mean it has horror in the title. Yes the political climate in America America you can be related to a lot of horror stories but when I I guess I watch this kind of stuff to escape and live vicariously and get a little adrenaline rush and like I said this feeling so real. It wasn't the the mood that I was in. I wanted to escape from all those things. I happen to live in a very politically charged area. And it just didn't take on my fancy to watch a show about the things that are happening across the street from my house. You know I was not in a cult just throwing that out there world So overall you know you're looking for realism and that's what you want to get out of American horror story. Then you go right ahead and jump to Colt season seven It is still a good watch. The actors did a great job. It has some of our favorites in there but like I said overall not not my favorite season okay. Well we're going to go ahead and go to break on that wonderful positive note When we come back we're going to talk about season? Eight of American Horror Story Apocalypse. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close. And here's with this out their podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. 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Really it does take some of the characters. And some of the backstory for Murder House and mix that in with Coven In fact some of the same characters make a reappearance and the history that is behind. The apocalypse really starts back at the Murder House story. So I I absolutely love call backs in tie ins like this but it is its own individual story and so. I'm definitely interested rested in that as well. The best way to sum up what this particular season is about it is definitely a post apocalyptic world old. We start out the season finding a couple of characters that are pulled from their regular lives to be saved because they are chosen. Listen we have no idea what that means. They get shipped off to some facility after the apocalypse happens. Most of humanity's dead had the majority of this particular season happens within in underground type of a shelter Where where there's a handful of survivors that are basically living under the rule of the people who run the shelter It's definitely an interesting story but I feel like it could have been done a lot better. It's a slow burn. It really is. I was not on the edge of my seat. I think the thing that kept me going is I wanted to know what was going on outside. Are we ever going to find out what happened. who else is alive and then just when you start to abandon all hope new characters show up and you're like I didn't know there could have been anybody nobody else alive in this world so I found that to be interesting. I did watch all the way to the end I like. I said I was never bored but but I don't know how well I actually liked it. In the end of this particular season I was left going The last couple episodes where you really start to get those tie INS. I found were a lot more interesting. The action picks up a lot but the the the first episodes is great. The last maybe three episodes are great. But those middle episodes are a little tedious to get through So if they had just condensed it down down and cut out some of the fluff. Then maybe it would have been a more interesting show. One thing that I do find interesting. Is that because we we start to see characters from the previous season's show up or interact with the characters in this season. We really start to see the the actors playing multiple characters that they have played on the in the American horror stories shows over the years and spanning over a couple of different different seasons which is pretty great. If you can keep track of who they're supposed to be at what time When they're acting but overall all I liked it? I love a good callback now. Of course this show typically will base its characters or actions on real real life events in history or at least have some deep influences and things that have happened doesn't appear to be as true in this particular their season. It's more of a callback. Like get the band back together. Type of season I have heard people compare this particular season into avengers infinity war It is back to a lot of like apocalyptic type of movies and get some influence from there Also you know even in real life. There have been prophecies and people who who sit around and ponder the end of the earth and so that's wrapped up in there as well but we do see some of the characters from some of the other seasons that are based on in real life inspired events and those hold true one of them being tate from murder house who is based on The the columbine murders at the school overall this season really feels like a mixed bag of a season. Great Great quarterbacks interesting story could have been wonderful wasn't my favorite and that leads us to the most recent season and of American horror story nine thousand nine hundred eighty four which aired this year and ended in November. This is definitely up there in my top three favorite seasons. It is a huge callback to basically anything horror related from one thousand nine hundred eighty S.. Nineteen eighty-four just seems to be the culmination of all of that. So I found it absolutely glorious. I did not get bored at any point and I really enjoyed comparing all the little tropes to some of my favorite lifelong horror movies and Series that I've watched in my lifetime. There's some heavy influence from Friday the thirteenth. There's some Halloween in there. I like to think that sleep away. Camp also sprinkled a little bit of love in their overall. The costumes are amazing. There is one in character who actually comments about how everybody just hates her because she has such red hair. That is such a quotable line. I have found more more than one occasion to use that in real life. I'M NOT GONNA lie. As far as Trivia is concerned the chet character. Jour- is an embittered would be Olympian. Who is actually played by real life Olympic skier? Gus Kenworthy I found that to be interesting. I also find it interesting. That Emma Roberts in this season plays sort of the nice girl. The final girl playing into those does Classic Horror Movie tropes whereas in a lot of the seasons in American Horror Story. She plays sort of the boss. Girls the The bitchy a whole type The Alpha character. And that's not the case in this particular season. She's he's more of a goody two shoes lovable type character almost to the nauseating type of sense as as I said before. I'm a huge horror fan in one of the things that I love about like the serial killer multi Episode so type of horror movies like Freddy and Jason and Chucky and even like final destination and saw those kinds of movies as your moving along through a series of films. You're really taking a look at how. How can I kill people in the most interesting clever way and this particular season of American horror story definitely plays into that horror movie trope? There are some very interesting. Kills it up hold the rules. That exist assist inside the American Horror Story universe Such as in Murder House one of the things that they've established that if somebody dies in the murder house they're ghost is stuck in the murder house and that happens as well With nineteen eighty-four eighty four It's a summer camp movie all the teenage camp counselors come out for the summer to escape. Whatever it is? That's bothering them. I'm in their real life and each character has an interesting back story. They've all got something that they're running from rather than running to the summer your campus self. Many years before was the site of an awful serial. Killing and one of the survivors has decided to reopen the camp in a way of cleansing herself from that awful past and once all all of the camp counselors are present things start to unravel of course. Because that's what makes it an interesting show like like I said it's up there in my top. Three favorite seasons might be my second favorite season after roanoke. I highly recommend that you watch it of course being a purist I believe that you should start at the beginning with murder house in work your way all the way through one thousand nine hundred eighty four. In that way you'll be all caught up and and ready for whatever unfolds in next season there. Better be a next season because I love the show all right so we are going to take another break when we come back. We are going to talk about what you can watch if you're caught up on American horror story and some titles that you might enjoy based as Lon- each season storylines so we'll catch on the other side of this break. Cooling state media media concepts side gather we dive into the world of science fiction from episodes of Star Doctrine Star wars resident in all Zahar beanie science fiction movie from the Backdoor Marvel or DC golden. It state media cuts Sifi podcasts. You'll never looked get science fiction the same way again All right welcome back from that break. We've been talking about American Horror Story and of course I don't WanNa leave you hang in once you're done with the show because the show is totally binge -able so I'm GONNA go season by season real quick here and give you some other titles that you may enjoy Based on whether or not you enjoyed that particular season so we're going to go ahead and start out with murder house. If you enjoyed played the season one of American Horror Story Murderer House. You'll probably enjoy the haunting hill house. which is one of my favorite shows? Currently it is available on Netflix. There's one season out and in two thousand twenty. They're supposed to do a second season. I did hear ear that a second season is going to be anthology style as well where it'll be a totally different story than the first season but hopefully we have some of the same writers and directors because it was amazing Another thing that you'll like if you like murder house would be amityville horror. That is is a movie. That's available to stream on who It's a straight up Har- movie about a scary house and the things that have happened there. it's it's a good movie it doesn't there's the classic one and then there's a remake as well I happen to enjoy both of them So have at it. And then there's the haunting in Connecticut That is also available to stream on Hulu. It is a a really great movie If you're into the whole haunted house scenario type of thing all right if you enjoyed season two of American horror story asylum. Then the first thing. I'd like to recommend a session. Nine session nine is my favorite asylum based movie of all time. It's absolutely frightening. I've watched it several times. It it is available to rent on Amazon prime so I highly highly recommend that you go on and stream that because it's it's you're missing out if you haven't seen it and if you like horror at all another good asylum type of movie is Shelter Island starring. Leonardo di Caprio Tom. I really enjoyed this. It's nice and twisty and has some surprises in it. It's a little bit creepy. But it's more psychological in a nature All around though really really fun movie to watch That's available on prime as well if you enjoyed royd season. Three of American Horror Story Coven. Then the first show that comes to mind to watch discovery of witches so you can get it on comcast on demand and hopefully it'll show up on another streaming service soon. But it is it's really great show I binged it and basically swallowed whole. It was so good Highly recommend that to anybody who's who's into any kind of which lore or any of those kinds of shows For Kevin I would also recommend the the craft which is why all time guilty pleasure favorite which movie it came out when I was pretty young and and actually part of it was filmed at high school that I went to. So there's that as well but it's a really fun movie about teenagers. The jurors who are witches who are coming of age and sort of figuring out what to do with that with this power that they have and that's kind of what that that season of American horror story is about as well so some good parallels their coven is definitely more up to date than The craft but still. It's a great watch You can get that on Amazon prime for season four freak show. I highly recommend that you watch the old classic black and white film freaks. You can get it on Amazon prime you can rent it from there Otherwise go to your libraries. Look around because this is a movie that you don't WanNa miss it's a piece of classic movie making and I remember watching it. Throughout my time growing up I studied it when I was in college. Edge taking some film courses just a really well done very twisty cool movie and the other one for freak show. Oh that I wanted to recommend would be big. Fish is a Tim Burton movie. It's available to stream on Hulu. I I know that big fish is not a horror movie but it does have that wonderful circus side show type of aesthetic to it It's it's a lot of fun. It is one of my favorite movies of all time. Tim Burton is amazing. So I highly recommend that. Also if if you're into sort of people who are different then I would recommend them Miss Peregrine's home for unusual children that is also. Oh a really great movie You can get that on Amazon prime okay so for Season Five Live hotel this being my least favorite it. I really had to think about what I would recommend in between it but I landed on the shining because it is that It does have a similar feel that big vast it. You know you're stuck here type of a place. The long hallways what's behind this door The ghosts that pop up you know so. There's a lot of parallels there the other movie that I landed on was fourteen thousand eight which also takes place in a hotel. Oh but it's it's about being haunted internally in the things that come up So there's some good recommendations both those available on prime for season six roanoke. I would highly recommend any of the ghost hunters or ghost adventurers type of shows rose there several of them out there. One of them that I like is Ghost Adventures on Hulu. So recommend that you stream that if you're into that let's go and see if they can catch creepy stuff on film type of stuff And really any found footage type movies. So Blair witch was was really the first of those That's available on stars. So I recommend that you check that out seasons seasons seven of American Horror Story Colt I would recommend the purge. There's a show show on Hulu which I haven't watched yet but I just I didn't know until I was researching where you can stream these things so I'm definitely going into binging that in the coming week but the movie is available to stream as well on Amazon There's also on Hulu. This really cool show called Colton extreme beliefs. It's a reality documentary type of Show and and the information that they give is really interesting and it gives you some insight into some people that may not think about the world the same way that you do For Season Eight's apocalypse. I recommend twenty twelve. which is available to stream on prime? Of course it's just that stereotypical end of the world thing. But there is that sense of the elitist only the few that are rich or privileged. I can be saved type of a thing happening as well. Also escape room on stars. I am escape. Room is a great movie. If you're into that like how do we get out of this small space and I feel like over the course of the apocalypse season. There's a lot of those kinds of themes and last but certainly not least for season nine American Horror Story Nineteen eighty-four. Of course I. I would recommend Friday the thirteenth binge the entire Friday the thirteenth series. All of the the movies shows great stuff on Scifi the Halloween movies you can get on. HBO Now and my favorite Britt of the camper type of Horror Movies would be sleep away camp which is available on Amazon Prime Crime. All right so we're going to go to a break when we come back we're GONNA do set it on Reddit and I'm GonNa Give You my top ten in theology type movies shows and where to stream them. Are you tired of the Channel News. Are you sick of the seemingly endless political spin then in negatively the Diaz Mc. America's still. Beautiful podcast is a weekly news. podcast covering all the positive and uplifting US stories we cover stories they will inspire uplift and remind you of the good in the world tune into the golden state media concept. America's still beautiful podcast to get all the great and positive news stories of today. Download the MC. America's still beautiful podcast on Itunes stitcher soundcloud. Google play or anywhere you find podcasts. Just take just MC in the search bar all right and welcome back. We've been talking about American horror stories We have wrapped up that segment. We're moving on to set it on red it so from. NPR W seventeen camp is fun but camp is not always well executed with American horror stories. They has begun relying on camp with the last few seasons in any sort of emotional connection with anything else is losing. Its footing I can agree with that in some ways. The season Colt really tried to be funny in places and I feel like sometimes they were trying a little bit too hard Let's see this one is from user name that's been deleted. If you don't consider Billy Eichner screaming while wearing a Sombrero one of the highlights of television history than then. I don't know how to have a conversation with you. I mean. Of course I agree. Who wouldn't this one is from Festus? Forty one it's important to remember that isolation and desolation of an apocalyptic event wouldn't necessarily have reached these characters yet by the end of the episode. We've lurched eighteen months forward. We're presented with a different style. The character seemed to be more desperate unless can't be. I'm all for the seasons tone but I hope that they're building up towards a slow horror and they did build up to very very slow horror. I do agree though that the the sense of isolation really was just thrown at us in that season almost like we were being forced to think or feel a certain way without really having any context for that yet. All right. Well that's that's it for. Set It on Reddit. The really good ones as usual had a bunch of spoilers than I didn't want to spoil anything for you because I want you to go on there and binge binge. So we're we're going to move on to the top ten anthology type movies or shows and where stream them. These are my personal top ten. I'm going to start at ten work down to one I stuck Kinda with the horror thriller type Genre because that's what American horror story is and so here we go all right so number. Ten on my list is tales from the hood. You can stream this on. Stars Tales from the hood is a hilarious movie. I remember watching it when I was little There is a sequel. That came out which I didn't think was as good as the original may be some. The topics are more current but overall I think tales from the hood is hilarious and twisty and horribly awesome. Awesome number nine. I have. ABC's of death. This is a movie where different directors were given a letter of the alphabet and asked to make a short horror story about it. And it's just so cool The resulting stories were really awesome. And this you have to be creative to do that really It's available bill. Prime highly recommend that you watch it. VHS comes in at number eight this is also a really fun. Horror Movie Some of it is actually pretty creepy but the idea is that somebody finds us. VHS Tape and they watch it and there's different found footage type. Videos goes on there that are all supposedly real and then there's some nice twists as well. You can stream that on Amazon prime number seven I have the show tales from the crypt. There's a movie as well. I recommend that to you can get both on Amazon prime tales us from the crypt. I remember watching this when I was way. Too Young to be watching this and there are some episodes that really stick out for me There's one in particular that still to this day really creeps me out and I haven't even seen the episode in a really long time so I recommend tales from the crypt from anybody. WHO's looking for some creeps and chills? Number six on. My List is outer limits. This is another really great. Great Show you can stream it on Hulu you can actually stream the original series and the more updated version. Both are really great great. I grew up watching the updated version though. The old originals are also very clever Some really great episode definitely early sci-fi and cool at number five on my list is cats. I Cat's is a Stephen King movie. That is it twist together all kinds of characters and events from Stephen King's universe It's got Drew Barrymore And a whole lot of other really famous people in it There's a scene with a little monster. That deals Drew Barrymore breath. After seeing this when I was a little kid I slept with my head under the covers for quite a while. It doesn't quite have the same effect now watching it because it is an older. CGI type of thing. I I believe it's more claymation style So the affects. Don't stand up but still very creepy story. I absolutely love. It's it's got some humor in there too clever. Especially if you're a Stephen King Fan at the number four spot. I've got twilight zone so of course there's a new version of twilight zone which you can stream on. CBS All access. Or you can watch the rod sterling originals on Net flicks. I mean twilight zone is just a classic show and the updated show also has some really great mm storylines and some call backs to the original series so I really enjoyed both of them so go ahead and binge binge. There's lots and lots to watch their and number three. I put creeped out from net flicks. Now this is a horror anthology. Show that's geared more towards children. Dron maybe older children but still children. I still really enjoyed it. I found the topics to be current. They twists and turns to be great. Great I actually watched this show with my fourteen year old and she really enjoyed it too. You can get that on net flicks coming in at number two on. My list is Black Mirror which you can get on net flicks. I have so much to say a black about Black Mirror. Black Mirror is it's a show about technology and if we could fill our lives with these different friend kinds of technology what would be the cost and there are some intense seasons there some intense episodes and and some twists and turns. And I absolutely love the show mostly. Because it's so real like these things are probably going to happen. So if you want to see what the future in our world looks like go on and watch Black Mirror. Like I said it's available in net flicks and the last number one. Top of my anthology horror thriller type of list is trick worker. Treat this movie. I watch it every Halloween and probably a couple of other times throughout the year you can stream it on prime trick or treat is to me harder perfection from beginning to end the way that all of the stories seamlessly blend into each other the acting as good. It's creepy its relevance. It's a really good time. I really like it so trick or treat my number one Santhal Aji in the horror genre of all time. 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136 - The Moon Landing Conspiracy

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

2:23:11 hr | 1 year ago

136 - The Moon Landing Conspiracy

"Two thousand nine hundred nine the perfect year. Talk about the moon landing fiftieth anniversary of the first moon landing. If we landed there at all done done done a lot of skeptics things that we did not that we still have not. And I like skeptics scepticisms good to point as Cochet goes is great to have an open mind as long as it's not so open that you brain falls out for this episode of the suck. We're going to look at a lot of anti moon landing skepticism. And then you can decide if Mundi denial is reasonable skepticism or if wackadoo brains have indeed fallen out of whack a doodle skulls. I get why people questioned the moon landing. I really do. I think the disbelief is less about the moon and more about not trusting the government in general, and the government has for sure lied to us from time to time and the circumstances surrounding the moon landing further fuel a fake landing scenario. The United States was in the middle of the Cold War space race with USSR and had everything to gain from getting to the moon. I getting their first met winning important national morale. Raise that had been ongoing for over a decade. The United States had incentive to fake a moon landing a lot of it. We were extremely concerned with the Soviet Union in the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties the Cold War and the big red scare very much part of US national culture that time the Russians making to the moon. I would've stabbed US national pride in the middle of it's red, white and blue heart. If democracy really was superior to communism if the US really was superior to the Soviet Union. The why did they make it to the moon? We couldn't are they better than us might sound a little silly now, but the cultural stakes were high, and is it really past the limits of decency for some politicians to come up with some fake space. Fuck Orie how about Richard Nixon and his crew Nixon was president when the Landi went down, and he turned out to be a proven liar in a way that was exceptional even for politicians that it is the only US president to ever resign. He resigned because he was about to get kicked the fuck out of the Oval Office for the whole Watergate scandal which involved lot of big lies. Then also fuelling moon. Lanny. Spiracy is the fact that we haven't sent another astronaut to the moon's as nineteen seventy a long time ago. Technology has come a long way since nineteen seventy two VHS tapes did even come out until nineteen seventy six now a base model cell phone can take and play, you know, record better video than the most advanced technology, nineteen seventy six the first mobile phone. Call happened in nineteen Seventy-three now almost every twelve year old in America has a cell phone that doubles as a computer and that computers way, more powerful than any computer that existed in nineteen seventy two. So why hasn't space technology evolved in the same way? If we really did land men on the moon between nineteen sixty nine and nineteen seventy-two. Why don't we have basis on the moon? Now, why don't we have colonies malls? And Starbucks and rush hour traffic on the moon, not going back and so long as another reason to faked moon landing is one of the most popular conspiracies around today. A nineteen ninety nine Gallup poll found that six percent of Americans believed the moon Landy was fake right or faked. That's. Millions of people who don't believe we actually landed on the moon millions of people in this country. The percentage is much higher in certain countries. Like Russia over sixteen million people in the US if that percentage still holds today that's more people in the population in New York City, more than thirty three or forty four European countries. That's a lot of potential wackadoo. We'll see if we can change that percentage a bit as we take a hard look at how NASA claims it made it to the moon today. We'll examine the space race between the Soviet Union in America, the resulted in the controversial moon landing. And we'll look at variety of theories some of them are so good regarding how and why the landing was faked today on another conspiratorial edition of time suck. Harry Monday, you time suck and meet sacks. Hey, LUSA FINA. Thinking about her today for some reason, probably because she's us smart, and sassy and sexy as hell I think about it quite often to be honest. Welcome to the cult curious. 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There's going to be giveaways Votto booze all fun stuff tickets or first-come-first-served, that's more money. It's it's only fifty five tickets. And when they're done they are done because that's all we can fit at ten over six. And this is just a test to see how well we can do an event and hopefully build it and make it much bigger for the following year. So make sure you you read all the directions, and you get your tickets include your shirt size mailing address preferred tour time of the suck dungeon. All right now. Let's let's keep on truckin and suck into the moon. Landing conspiracy space awaits. Right out of the gates. I say that looking into the moon landing conspiracies, which led to understanding why we wanted to land on the moon in the first place. Why humans are interested in space space expiration just at all, you know, in the industry, and beliefs of many people that they have about all of it was just a blast a research. Lot of moon info on the web. And luckily, not all of it is written by British wackadoo supreme and conspiracy living fucking legend. David ike. He has some very interesting talks about the moon. Not everyone shares David's belief in the moon matrix, David is two thousand ten epoch book human race. Get off your knees. The lion sleeps, no, more, maybe my favorite conspiratorial book, David says, and I quote, the moon is the resilient control center, and it has manipulating and regulating life on earth. And extraordinary detail. The reptilians are broadcasting a false reality from the moon that humans are decoding into what they think is a physical world it is vibrational construct the same as the reality portrayed in the matrix movies, the moon like all quote, physicality like that's a for debate is away form the nominee on that. We did code into a hologram that only exist as such an Arctic coated reality. So. Yeah, that's that's one school of thought regarded the moon. David doesn't think we ever landed on the moon because the mode is in a mode of vehicle of oppression? Its vibrational frequencies to make to make you fucking want to just work and not think about the oppressors wake up Shapal. What we call the moon is some sort of a lizard luminosity, Mike control desktop are if you look hard enough. It's unbelievable. How many people actually believe that? There are no shortage of people who don't believe for hot minute than a human has ever set foot on the moon, my own great grandfather. My great grandpa, John apparently was was stanchly believing that the moon landing was a hoax. He didn't buy it for a second. He thought it was all shot on a Hollywood studio did Stanley Kubrick actually helps show shoot the whole moon landing seen on a sound stage to help the US when the Cold War like my grandpa is landing on the moon. Just a fantasy scientifically impossible like some people believe at least far beyond our current technological possibilities or definitely beyond the the technological expertise. We had in nineteen sixty nine or is it definitely possible to land on the moon. What does a science actually say as lots of unpack? When it comes to the moon landing conspiracy have always start with a little bit of cultural context. I like that you know, that you know, like setting the stage for the for the actual topic. What was happening in nineteen sixty nine when we supposedly land. On the moon. What was going on in America? What was happening with the whole space race? July sixteenth nine hundred sixty nine that's the day that NASA trick the world into thinking. They launched the Apollo spacecraft Levin carrying commander, Neil Armstrong command module, pilot, Michael Collins, and lunar module pilot, Edwin Buzz Aldrin, damn Manati, two years after the summer. Love Americans and Russians were itching to get off this rock take step towards becoming a multi planetary species. In the background of the space race between the US and the Soviet Union race to see which country possessed uperior technology that could be military militarized which nation was scientifically capable of putting a man on the moon who wins democracy or communism. There was the Vietnam war constant fear of the Cold War between Russia, and the US turned into some kind of World War three apocalyptic nuclear holocaust counterculture, antiwar press, culminating hundreds of thousands of protesters for peace in DC. Also, several peace based music festivals were going on which included the iconic and largest of nineteen sixty nine music festivals. Woodstock with an estimated. Four thousand plus people rocking it out for peace. If I could pick one music festival in history to attend Woodstock would be for sure. Like hands down. Joe Cocker's rendition of the Beatles with a little help from my friends from that concert. Maybe my favorite live performance of any song of all time who do say to who who to stand who our own me. Your senior soul would turn out honesty. Arkansas little hill from our whole half. Have all buck. I love he's like having a seizure on stage. All shaking, his hands. All around shit speaks myself for some reason anyway gas was thirty five cents a gallon and nine hundred sixty nine cost of a home average around fifteen thousand five hundred bucks. Easy rider. Chitty chitty. Bang bang. Butch Cassidy the Sundance kid with the most popular movies stilling to watch easy rider. I'm ashamed. Avid seen it yet. Classic. Dennis hopper. That movie really kind of opened the door for a lot of indie films. Just in general, by the way, it was shot for almost nothing made tens of millions. It'd been a little over a year since debt the Martin Luther King junior. And there were so many things to be worried end or excited about tops amongst them for many with space travel party, thanks to a massive amounts of pro space propaganda being pushed on American and Soviet people. Although there are several other moons. Just in our solar system alone. We call our moon them moon because fuck other planets moons. There can be only one moon the US moon landing. If it happened was televised for an audience of approximately five. Eight hundred thirty million people on July twentieth. Nineteen sixty nine that's the day. We won the race. If it was real. It was fake. It wasn't remains the highest rated short film of all time. And actually, we still one if it was faked which I don't believe it all by the way, we still want in that case, we just cheated. Random moon landing trivia on that summer date. Neil Armstrong, actually may not have said his super famous, quote, that's one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind. That quote may have been a little bit of flood. He was actually apparently supposed to say that's one step for a man one giant leap for mankind. And he may have said that. But that's not what the world heard recent analysis shows that the signal was likely muffled that lack of of a single letter negate any of the awesomeness of the accomplishment. But but that may have done a little bit. You know, this this mush mouth understands this. I think on every stand up comedy. I'm I've ever made there at least four or five jokes that came out a little differently than I planned. A mouse did match my brain and conspiracies about the moon. Landing started the moment. It was televised. Unlike major events of today, the moon landing was not replayed at thousand times, this is part of the Genesis of the conspiracy. Right. It wasn't it. Replayed over and over was not a twenty four hour. News station, wasn't drawing the web immediately to dissect by everyone around the world. It was broadcast live just one time snippets were then played on certain news programs, but VCR's worn thing yet. So almost no one can replay what they'd seen without being able to go back and rewatch some people began to question what they just witnessed and decided must have been faked. Right. They couldn't comprehend it. I mean, how can we get a TV signal from two hundred thousand miles away when it was still pain in the ass to pick up a TV signal from a transmitter on earth a few miles away. I fucking move your little rabbit ear antennas Reynolds. Even today, we can still barely get our cell phones to work under certain types of bridges random dead zones in the middle of major metropolitan areas. How can a moon landing be broadcast perfectly to television says around the world and nineteen sixty nine I will admit it's confusing to someone like me who lacks a technological or scientific education other concerns? People had right away nine hundred sixty nine where why was the video footage washed on home televisions actually, a recording of the real footage taken on the moon. Basically, why didn't the camera on the Mon directly feed into a transmitter that broadca-? I I said onto home televisions, we're discuss some more detail later. But like why was there an extra step in bolt? You know, we can get a signal from space, but we we couldn't afford a plug in an extra RCA cable to run the image directly to TV when people found out NASA allegedly filmed the Lanny with some special cameras specifically built for recording in space a lot of people started to question if they're really up there on the moon. It'll was there actually a discarded coke can in one of the shots. That was an early rumor. No why why are there? No stars in the images. What's with the shadows? How how would any camera work in the extreme climate conditions of the Mon gets gets really hot and really cold up there to moon has won six gravity of earth. Why does it look like that? Why why weren't they jumping like fucking two hundred feet in the air? You know, why why was Neil Armstrong clearly hanging to the left when he was known to consistently hang to the right when he was on earth. Why was Benny hill seen chasing two women in the background for a few seconds. But proper penatta tap on a program primetime. Why that happened? Why was why was there a shadow of a sketchy ball? Russian guy with his hand down in sweatpants from moment what this big deal shuttled Chico till time travel now arousal dark side of moon. Okay. Those last year are nonsense, obviously. But but other ones are real real concerns. People had and in another big question. Many conspiratorial minded folk had was why would we even actually try to explore space in the first place? Let's start by answering that one is a big one with variety of answers. The question of why we explores base is is a bit controversial on one hand makes sense intuitively to explore what humans have always done. We love to explore new continents. The depth of oceans the genitalia of someone we've met shortly before the bar closes. We love exploring. It's not necessarily logical. But as humans, it is our nature to be curious and explore perhaps the more we know about the universe. The more. We know about ourselves. The rain also be economic and even national security incentives. Pertaining to check it out what's going on around the earth. What if the moon has Shipton oil or gold, whether some Marsh? Is out there. We need to light up with some earth. MO hover with space it's super expensive to explore. And according to what we've seen via telescopes with other technology zero chance to find any valuable natural resources by anywhere near earth. So with space exploration are the risks and expense really worth the rewards. Maybe we have ended up using a lot of stuff on earth. That was initially designed for space or at least Zion. Because of you know, our desire for space exploration. We'll get to some of those advancements in a bit here during the Cold War. Space race NASA spent twenty three billion dollars to either make it to the moon or enrich the fat accounts. Various illuminating members in today's money just for inflation. That's almost one hundred seventy billion dollars. I wonder I wonder what those luminosity members bought with other money. Everything about that. There's all this talk of like, the aluminum with all these conspiracies, you know, it's all fucking getting them some money to illuminate against some money. What are they what are they buying with it? Like, what are they buying with the ultra rich people can already by what crazy exotic horrific things, you know, what? Like diamond floors and their torture. Fuck dungeons, you know, and their underground satanic sacrifice layers always goes back to that kind of thought, you know, they're probably buying a bunch of cool ceremonial like like diamond swords and robes made a versions pubic hair. Yeah. Where wearing shoes made out a baby's faces other super expensive super evil shit like that? I mean, I certainly don't know for certain by -ssume if you shoot made a baby faces that that's gonna cost you a pretty penny. All right. I mean, you got to find someone to take and then kill a baby and carefully. Take off that baby's face skin. That's not going to be free. Right. That's gonna take some time. Then what if you have really large feet, you then you have to wait for like a perfectly match set of quadruplets. If you want like a matching set of shoes or really large twins. That's gonna take a while to source. There's the whole ordeal. How do you? How do you? Find gifted cobbler who specializes in making shoes at a baby's fucking faces. That motherfucker is not gonna work for free right surgeons make more than doctors because they specialize and was. And supply and demand economics be what the if there's a high demand amongst upper level aluminum members for baby skins shoes specifically made out of babies phase, then there's like probably one cobbler making those bad, boys. And that dude or dude it they're calling their own shots. You know, I've gotten more than a little off track. And some of those observations came from Jesse governor editor, by the way, I thought I went pretty dark with the baby face can shoes. And then he took it even further, which is one of the reasons I love them. Okay. I was trying to say is that space exploration is expensive and because it's expensive. There is the argument of why do it right? We we got a lot of problems on earth to fix or we spend all this space money. So let's look into how to answer that question. Full disclosure when I was younger, I was totally against base expiration because of all the problems that I feel like need fixing here on earth. So looking for for the answering this question particular was very interesting to me the arguments in favor of space exploration based mainly in security, our own scientific understanding, plus light, sabers and tie, fighters and cooler shit, just as. Sheer amount of interest in science fiction can tell you how popular idea of humans being a multi planetary species is the argument for survival is based on the thought that the universe may not be safe of place. Right. There's that concern that goes outside of money, even without some unknown. Hostile raises space creatures the universe is one giant killing field with thousands of deadly variables so many things that can kill us. All stars. Exploding storm solar flare space, debris asteroids, black holes. Gamma Ray bursts, wherever the fuck dark matter is powerful, gravitational shifts. You know, those are few threats that we could use better understanding of and even if we don't have to worry about being killed by an outside space threat. We do have to worry about destroying the earth and needing to possibly someday relocate that might sound a little far fetched Assam. But it's a logical concern in my opinion by you can't just quickly put together an intergalactic relocation plan plan ahead for something like that. So it's good to be starting on that. Now, the earth is full all kinds of catastrophes. Fires floods earthquakes disease extreme climates tyrant with access to nuclear weapon. Juggles Carney's pines. Look, I guess. Atalla's Bayern all kinds of crazy shit with a new ice age hits have global warming exhilarated crops and livestock die off and mass and trigger. Global starvation. What if we in the ocean somehow throw for world's entire ecosystem? We might need to leave the earth to survive space travel to ensure that the human race exists in the future. Even if earth is destroyed which is great for humans. Maybe not great for the universe. If you look at our species like a cancer like some of my favorite comics have like Bill Hicks. Doug, Stanhope, George Carlin, maybe spread in the human disease across the stars, not ideal. Right. Hey, tighten we're here. And we brought civilised Taco Bell and porn hub. Nice to meet you. There's also the national security argument in favor of space technology technology. You know, the United States is spent a lot of money about one hundred seventy billion over four decades and brain power to fund the Star Wars programme that Reagan kicked off nine hundred eighty three dad another level of defense against the missiles of hostile powers looking at you Russia by this program was designed intercept missiles various phases of their flight. But the technology didn't exist do that nineteen Eighty-three, and it required military technology orbiting the earth and space to work. So we had to figure some space out critics of the program very skeptical of the strategic defense initiatives ability to do what is purported to do. But you know, at least we're trying I guess Jorge Luis professor at MIT who assessed the strategic defense initiative in two thousand ten says the department of defense is tests only offered the appearances of success saying that the tests were carefully orchestrated scenarios that had been designed to hide fundamental flaws. But again, at least we're trying currently President Trump is brought space defense back into the mainstream. Conversation with his space force and August two thousand nineteen vice President Mike Pence outlined plans for the new US military branch designed to fight wars and space. This new branch would be equal to other branches of the military would go into effect in two thousand twenty is it actually going to happen. Next year are going to have marines and other military stations based enough. No fuck. No, no, no way. But it'd be super cool. If we did, right. We're not even close to having that technology now. But if we don't try to develop it now, we're never going to get there. And if we can militar militarise space, I won a huge advantage. US will have independent itself against threats from other nations or unknown threats from other parts of the galaxy China has developed weapons that can destroy satellites and two thousand seven demonstrated this by destroying one of their own. Additionally, Russia's tested missiles that could potentially destroy satellites if another major World War broke out in ten or twenty years space weaponry could play a major role. And of course, there's critics, you know, in spending money on this type of space technology, critics such as Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders who says maybe just maybe we should make sure our people are not dying. They lack health insurance before we start spending billions to militarize outer space. I hear you Bernie with your sarcasm. But what about fighting the fucking lizard, people burn? What about that? No one knows you care about your stupid health insurance and free educational access of new angrier racist space, lizards flies over such fucking up our planet, it we didn't have the foresight to get some space marines out there with laser guns and force fields. Another cool star Trek's shit Bernie anyway. The Trump administration actually asked for eight billion over the next five years to continue. Our quest militarized space. Okay. To circle back to the financial upside of space expiration of tease at a few times. There isn't any at least not in the short term in some ways. Like like in the sense that could we make our taxpayer money back. If we venture further out into space. No, no, no, probably probably not as I said earlier. It's highly unlikely we're gonna find like a ton of gold or some other precious mineral resource, and even if we did not cost effective to bring it back from space, many, economists support the idea of letting private businesses explore the stars and put the potential profits or losses into the hands of these private individuals instead of putting the taxpayers in line for a gamble unlikely to pay off financial anytime soon if ever lawn must space x corporation. You know is one of these companies I'm in favor of that. That is kinda my libertarian stance. Like, let's let these companies figured out, which the government is looking into more and more and more by the year. You know, maybe maybe want someone can set up some kind of kick ass all inclusive resort on Mars or something with gravity. Free pools space orgies that'd be moneymaker. And actually while the tax payers may not benefit from our space technology. Corporations have made money off technology developed because of space exploration already another benefit of the huge. Product of going to space is a scientific advancement comes with it with space exploration is done by private companies or governments science and technology that comes from space. Exploration attempts undeniably beneficial already. I mean, I mean, thanks to the a hundred seventy billion we spent in late sixties, we have sweet shit like velcro and tempurpedic mattresses. That's that's not bad. That's probably worth it. I don't like tiny shoes. I wanna sleep like an astronaut, but here's the list of scientific advancements that come from NASA is extensive already. So like a dick I'm going to read every single one of them so strap in this can take about three hours. No, not gonna do that. I'm going to break it down into a few categories, medical tech transportation energy tech. Everyday tech and list off a few randoms of metal tech. A medical technology is a big one tasked with the mission to keep astronauts alive in the most extreme space conditions. Nasa contract. Scientists have pushed medical technology to incredible new levels the responsible for improvements in x Ray technology, better understanding of osteoporosis. Developing improved vaccines, better breast, cancer, detection and treatment infrared ear thermometers artificial limbs ventricular assistance devices on and on and on and on one important research area is growing high quality protein crystals with the Heller those well hundred thousand protein crystals can be found in the human body and earth has billions of them. They are all different and unlocking the secrets of protein crystals could lead to better drug designs. The micro gravity space makes perfect. You know, the perfect study these interesting little guys, even the areas of robotic surgeries and tumor removal have benefited from NASA. Scientists earlier this year as my favorite those back to the future like hover boards argument. Fly was on. They went on sale in China Japan and South Korea that comes directly from the advancements in anti-gravitational technology pioneered by NASA. The YouTube videos are fucking insane. About these things. I'm hoping they pass the expections in the US soon. So I can have one, you know, before before I'm too old to ride a hover board. I models float roughly six inches off the ground. It can hit speeds of over fifty miles an hour, which I know may not sound like that fast. But when you're hovering I, but it feels like you're going three miles an hour won TEK site thinks that future generations will kick the speed of these babies up to over thirty five miles an hour by sometime in twenty twenty. That'd be fucking amazing apologies anybody who wants one now like myself, but can't get it because I made that shit up. So, you know. That's not true Asari forgetting, your hopes of our boards. How excited were you for a second semi hovered for Christmas? You can't get one. You get something called a Harvard. They sell a variety of Hanley scooters online called her, but they're liars because none of them fucking hover. Space exploration technology hasn't led to have reports yet, but lead other cool products that are real besides sending a pretending to send astronauts to space. Nasa engineers, have designed a number cool technologies that have been used to make terrestrial travel easier and more safe anti icing technology, right? That sounds like it's something to do with Hayden cake. But it actually is pretty neat technology that makes air travel out safer, and it's also causing me them connections. Right because Diaz and people at the airport can't get your fucking shit together. And they take too long my pinion. So there's also noises because NASA highway safety has been upgraded by NASA research and the development and implementation of safety groups, these NASA hoaxers have helped improve radial tyres the Hilton prove anything GPS related. I mean, how big is that we have that on our phones. Now, we also have NASA thank for, vans and water and air purifier. Techniques and upgrading to freeze dry technology infrared light or currently grown food across the globe of NASA thing for that as well. Here's some other random cool products to me this first one probably the biggest most important to most people. We can think NASA for camera phone technology. How important has that become to modern life some people based on the Instagram profiles that I look at seem to live almost exclusively for Selvi like they had to pick between a selfie or water. I think they would I think they'd struggle. You know, initially diamond hard coatings for aerospace systems were research in this technology led to the development of scratch resistant lenses, which also led to scratch resistant like phone screens. Keep all you clumsy motherfucker from busting your phones or your while you're dropping them making taking yourself. He's Nike airs Nike airs partner designed to NASA Nike. Our trainers would not exist. If it weren't for soup construction technology developed by NASA man, think about that NASA. Technology is led to fucking better dunks. That's pretty sweet even the black and decker dustbuster Otis designed to NASA. Nasa approach black and decker develop a lightweight device to collect samples on the moon, and then black and decker used that technology to create the dustbuster and nineteen Seventy-nine sex lube. The porn industry owes a lot of their appeal to NASA necessarily research with lubrication led to well, you know, extra holes being more comfortably in and more often filled which is a huge part of porn, if you've ever looked, you know, asked her glide is based on NASA technology, Astro glide that clear water based lubricant was developed by an engineer named Dan Rae while he was working on the space shuttle's cooling systems at Edwards Air Force base nine hundred seventy seven thanks, Dan. And Hailu Safina. I thank you. Also, so many Dick's pajamas clint's, and especially butthole. Thank you Mandy hole. Thank you. Rough rough before consistent quality loop. Also, you know, other body areas be probably thank you like area between breasts and probably some feet there. Maybe between even toes in certain spatial conditions that the knee pry, thanks armpits. Thank you. And God knows whatever other body parts. People have lived up which I would have known about Astro gliding. When I when I took that banana peel into a break room, you know, back when I was sixteen years old. I would've had a much better sexual experience if I would lube that Pilo any who so many cool profitable products. Made thanks to space technology. So space exploration in this way. Very profitable enlisted products. It goes on and on and on memory foam dissolved by NASA nine hundred sixty six it was shocking airplane seats. Ultimately found uses again, tempur-pedic mattress football helmets, right shoes. Hospital beds. Prosthetics cars, amusement parks modern. Art Balat more concussions in the NFL wasn't for NASDAQ analogy. So. Okay. So now why why do we humans? So now that we know skews me why? Why humans one explore space some of the incentive we had to go to the moon. And we know that space expiration is actually not just a huge waste of money. So why can't people accept now that we've kind of spelled us out? Why can't a lot of people except that we did land on the moon? Well, partly because the moon has been a huge source of fascination and wonder since the very first days humankind. We have a tremendous amount of motion energy invested in the moon and emotions often not the friend of logic before we jump into today's time line of the supposed- moon landing and dig into conspiracies about the moon in check in with. It's the internet so good so good also ask the big question if we really did go there fifty years ago. Why haven't we been back going to answer that stuff? But before we do that. Let's go over some moon facts. A Senator stand a little more about just what the moon is. A our moon is pretty large for a moon orbiting the planet of our size and adjust a two hundred thirty eight thousand eight hundred fifty six miles from earth is relatively close for a moon compared to other planets that we know of. Many of the moon hoax theories start because of this relationship. People think it's too perfect by so perfect. It's gotta be fake on some level. That to me is some seriously paranoid thinking, right. There's. Oh, right. Spos- moons happens to be the perfect distance to move the tides and just the right way just enough to allow the possibility of moon Linney. All right buying it. I know faking it. No, you are. It's got to be some sort of jammed projector, some sort of computer simulation? There's no way this shit's real. Oh, right bet. Sunsets. A real too. I see matrix. You think I'm too dumb to phone for perfectly ram moon supposed to be moon? Why is it lumpy? Really that. Why why is it all one color wise looked like some kind of light bulb at night? Okay. It's quick. What am a wife? Leave me. One of my kids return my tax. What am I mom a Willer home to my sister? Because she she says she gave it to me. She that I will quote this. Visit all the way why has a blood in my urine. Well, say fucking disability checks. Why why aren't shirts investigators? The liquor store or so two questions. Anyway, you know, what I'm saying? The mood was pretty perfect. As is amazing. How perfect our little planet moon combo earlier. I know this emotional thinking is emotional thing on some level. But this perfection is one of the main reasons, I consider myself agnostic most as and not atheist, right? I think about this ship. I believe that some creator some life giving force beyond the abilities of our comprehension created the planet. Perfect for life. So why why wouldn't they create a perfect moon to accompany? I says my beliefs, I know, but that's what hail Nimrod the tides perhaps even earth access life itself. Rely on the perfect placement of Iraq next door. The sun's diameter is about four hundred times the size of the moon and about four hundred times as far away making the sun and moon appear the same size to us on earth. There's the answer that question the two thousand one hundred sixty mile diameter at the equator gives earthlings a chance to witness total eclipse of the sun, that's pretty cool. Scientists believed at the core of the moon is likely molten at least partly some of the composition. The mood is unknown. On probably lizard tunnels. The crust of the moon is comprised mostly auction silicon magnesium iron calcium aluminum with other trace elements extreme temperature fluctuations exist on the moon lease compared to earth on the moon's surface. Highs can can exceed two hundred and sixty degrees Fahrenheit as one hundred twenty seven degrees celsius as fucking tank top weather, right? If that's the man that is that is that is sizzling. Whether that's when you go and you're like, man, what's that steam off? That's my skin that made the space race not just about. Oh, no sorry before I say that in temperatures as low this is two hundred and eighty degrees Fahrenheit in the negative one hundred seventy three degrees celsius my God right below in with a little little dash in front of it little negative. That's how that's when you get frostbite on second one. Return into some fucking freezer burnt food and second to. So this all made the space race not just about who could build the best rockstar spacious, but also who could keep human alive and hellish post-apocalyptic conditions that could have some use usefulness. If we fuck up earth too bad. And by the way, if you look up online the highs and lows list for moon temperature varies considerably the numbers. I just gave you came from an appear to me to be the most legitimate sites. Inconsistent numbers also given conspiracy theorist more MO. Okay. Okay. Now, given a lot of info we know a little bit about the moon. We know a little bit about why we'd want to visit the moon. So now, let's jump into today's timeline to look into the space race supposedly got us to the moon in nineteen sixty nine right after a quick word. From today's sponsor. Today's time suck is brought to you by quip one of the most important things we do for our health every day is to brush chomp chumps by most of us. 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I would totally take a quick on a spaceship the link to this deal and the description, but Lincoln the times apple website time. Suck mother fucking time line right now. Wrap on those booths soldier where Martin down a time suck. Meantime, lie. Nineteen fifty seven the year. I was born. That's that's where I wasn't born. He's seventy sons of bitches. As when we that's where we just arrived and our timelines space race between the United States and Soviet Union was more about politics and technology. It was communism versus capitalism. Western collectivism, and central planning versus individual liberty and open markets to simplify was the ideas of the east versus the ideas of the west while the conspiracy behind the moon landing hoax started right as Neil Armstrong took that first step on the surface of the moon. The space race began over a decade earlier the competition between the USSR and the United States and to be fair few other nations here, and there was like a prize fight between world champions. But with rockets, right? Miss Karna wearing red white and blue trunks way in one hundred seventy two million citizens who for the most part enjoy the lives, especially if they are male and white we have the United States of America. And in this corner, wearing red and gold trunks Wayne in two hundred and five million citizens who for the most part. Live in constant fear of imprisonment, and or death, regardless of gender or skin color and hate their lives. We have these solely at union. Let's get it on the second of that. United States ended up when the battle and eventually the Cold War with the space race was important period. In history that in the end help bring the world together while the root of the conflict simultaneously helped destroyed almost you know, although the USA in Russia had been working on their own space programs for years. It was Russia who actually drew first blood in the space race with three successful space missions in nineteen fifty seven on August. Twenty first nineteen fifty seven the USSR who had been working on their space program for a decade already began their space where the intercontinental ballistic missile testing with their sim your commission on August. Yeah. Again, on August twenty first Russia put up the no, I'm sorry. On October fourth nineteen eighty-seven seven Russia put up their very first manmade satellite into orbit and receive signals back with the famous Sputnik. One mission by November that year, they had sent the first living creature into orbit a young and small husky mix named Leica as part of the Sputnik. Two mission. American journalists dubbed the mission. Mutt? Nick. Unfortunately, like did not survive the journey polo guy the overheated in the cockpit during the crafts fourth orbit around the earth. Bojangles is furious right now bojangles is held up a note saying he's gonna time travel back nineteen eighty seven and he's going to put a few of those Russian scientists shuttle instead send them to overheat up there above the earth while while he and a little Leica eat steak and chase cats down here on earth. More on animals led the way for human space traveling bit the United States desperate to to fight the propaganda power of the Soviet space. Success put their for satellite into space, January thirty first nineteen fifty eight this mission known as explore one was the first time humans detected the van Allen radiation belt, which will come into play later and movement. He conspiracies explore one revolved around earth in a looping orbit that took it as close as three hundred and fifty kilometers two hundred twenty miles earth as far as two thousand five hundred and fifteen kilometers one thousand five hundred sixty three miles away it made one orbit every one hundred and fourteen point eight minutes. Or total of twelve point five four orbits per day. Cooking up there, a satellite itself was two hundred three centimeters eight inches long and fifteen point nine centimeters twenty six and a quarter inches in diameter explorer one made its final transmission on may twenty thousand nine hundred fifty eight it enter earth's atmosphere burned up on March thirty first nineteen seventy so lasted a while. After more than fifty eight thousand orbits the satellite weighed fourteen kilograms, thirty point six six pounds. All right. So the US army ballistic missile aged was launched launched satellite. Conjunction conjunction skews me with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory based in Pasadena using his Jupiter c rock rocket passing. Not far from movie studios in Burbank. Right. That's that's fun for conspiracies. Also, not to be outdone by the Russians. The United States sent three dogs into space to young golden shepherds named Mickey and spot in a black labrador puppy named star. Mickey and spot both died from overheating during launch. Star survived and live for two hundred twenty sorry for twenty seven orbits before dying from oxygen deprivation, so pretty cool that the US was able to keep a dog alive longer. I mean, that's that as a win on March. Seventeenth nineteen Fifty-eight the vanguard one the world's first solar power satellite was successfully launched by the USA. And this was followed by the launch of the world's first working communication satellite week before Christmas nineteen Fifty-eight both of these satellites also featured crews of three dogs a piece all six of them. This time all black labs all lasted until their auction. Ran out one dog made it to almost a hundred orbits before running out of air. So that's progress. Russia countered, the successful US missions with their Luna one missions and early January nineteen fifty nine the Luna one completed the first engine restart orbit became the first human object to be in the heliocentric orbit of the earth. I satellite to rotate around the berry center or center of gravity of our solar system up in the animal anti as well, the Russian stuff that satellite with no less than a dozen, husky mixes. From February nineteen fifty nine to August. The United States would punch back and have four more groundbreaking missions. They launched the first ever satellite vanguard to our shooting. I ever weather satellite. Vanguard I satellite in polar orbit. Discover one. Discover one they launched a spy satellite with a camera. Discover four which actually not work, unfortunately, and August, seventh nineteen fifty nine in the United States explores six took the first photo of the earth from orbit not to be outdone the Russians accomplish the first impact into a celestial body as they crashed him shit into the moon during their learning to mission as timber fourteenth nineteen fifty nine they weren't done several dogs on that flight the Russian the Russians. Luna three mission. Took the first photo the far side of the moon, October seven hundred fifty nine launching satellites just left and right. The United States have four more space missions nineteen sixty which included launching the first imaging satellite. The first successful spy satellites. They recovered the first intact satellite from orbit and on August, twelve nineteen sixty NASA. Launch the first passive communications satellite with the echo one a mission. Huge gains Broncos Sam the Soviets to four consecutive blows from United States, but they were far from knocked out before we continue with the space race. We should acknowledge the sacrifices of the of, you know, many earthlings before humans the made space exploration and travel possible. This is just interesting to hell to me tons of animals were jettisoned into the deep darkness of space by the fall of nineteen Fifty-nine. No, listen, one hundred eighty six dogs were sending the space between the US and Soviet Union. The oldest dog was a fourteen year old greyhound makes him Sally. And the youngest was a ten week old Springer spaniel named lucky lucky actually caught fire during launch in the spring of nineteen fifty nine so not lucky the most dogs ever launched at one time was twenty six twenty six two hours into the discovered thirteen launch. So none of those lift as I should point out. Probably at this point. I should point out that I have lied about the dog stuff other than the first Russian dog. Like so sorry, not sorry. It just makes me laugh so hard. Picturing a lot of you listening traveled to work and stuff and be like, but the fact why why so many duct why do they cram all those fucking two hours in one launch? Why what what's the scientific benefit of that? But they did do actual animal experiments. So we're not off the hook animal lovers. The Russians were the first ascent plans in animals into orbit. Also, the first to have them return alive with the Sputnik. Five mission August nineteenth nineteen sixty. That's a huge step. Right. You wanna find out if you can animal back alive before you start sending people up there, although it was like who can be credited as the first creature to orbit earth Belka and stroka to iron curtain pups became instantly famous as the first surviving dogs to return from orbiting in space these two strays chosen because purebreds were believed to be too coddled for space or the earth more than a dozen times before landing the next day man, but had some strange thoughts heralded as heroes. These russe qui Matz appear on stamps, they appear in Russian propaganda. The pave the way for the first human in space just a year later. For their unprecedented. Hard work, the two dogs upon their deaths were stuffed. Yep. Mounted and put on display with the capital. He traveled into cosmonautics. Yeah. Cosmonautics memorial museum in northern Moscow. Not getting the US also had at least one stuffed space animal space. Monkey was it. One time on display in the US national air and Space Museum in Washington. DC able to female rhesus monkey was born in independence, Kansas and she flew inside a Jupiter nose cone with Baker a female, squirrel. Monkey on a may twenty-eighth nineteen Fifty-nine nine and a little army experiment designed to test by medical effects of space travel launch from Cape Canaveral. They reached a maximum altitude of three hundred miles traveled down raise two thousand miles at speeds reaching ten thousand miles per hour before reentering the earth's atmosphere and being recovered by navy ships both monkey survived the trip of than able died from the Aniston Zsa during a routine post-flight operation, and then they had able stuffed key imagine. If we did that with people like if you could go to the space receive and just check out. Neil armstrong. Naphtha had a taxidermist just go to work immediately. When he died in two thousand twelve at the age of eighty two just sad glass eyes staring out from a mummified face. Every once in a while family members swing through to pay their respects museum just drop off some flowers by his feet, you know, in between Asian and European tourists. Nabokov Selby's in front of his dead creep preserved body one year for April Fools joke. You know, they bring the tax numbers back in and put deer Antlers on his head make them how to like Jack lope like human version of that. Anyway, the army transferred able to to the NSM in nineteen sixty and in the national museum of natural history preserved her the first four legged space virus Belkin stroke have interesting stories as all these Soviet space dogs were the two heroes were rigorously trained to survive in the tight space of the capsule to endure extreme cell exceleron. And probably not to look each other's buzzmachine is quite as much as my dog's penny ginger do which horrifies Lizzy, by the way every time. She sees it happen. Hello Safina appraisal. Jingles I'm not sure which one to you know, to to mention there before stroke passed away, she gave birth to a puppy named pushing. And that and that probably was given to president JFK's family as a gift by Soviet premier Nikita. Khrushchev pushing lived at the White House was actually known as fluff and nine hundred sixty thousand fluff gave birth to four pups butterfly terrible in for nog. White tips also pretty bad Blackie, probably the worst and streaker, which is just gross the pups were popular White House attraction and to send. Are still alive today? I doubt Soviet space puffs or AK AKC registered with a probably not cheap either pretty cool pedigree dog to Senate from space Deng. January thirty first nineteen sixty one the US said fuck dogs and sent the first surviving Hamad into orbit four-year-old chimpanzee Noda's ham, the Astro chimp this brave and or scared out of his poor mind. Early astronaut was part of the mercury Redstone two mission that probably stinky, and almost certainly opinion Bashur lived until nineteen eighty three and then went onto rights to several successful books, including the New York Times bestselling children's book, I pooped in space and his popular autobiography ham fucking beans for centimeter space of real ham was named after the Holloman aerospace medical center was the first earthling to perform tasks in space. Not just go on the scary guy damn ride those animals that ever seen. My got hamstring pull levers trained to receive some tasty banana trees into avoid being shocked for him several monkeys and apes guts take trips into the stars. The first were actually before the officials space race began the first living creatures possibly besides possible. Bacteria were fruit flies sent up nineteen forty seven by the US. In nineteen forty eight. The first of many simians went up with a bunch of science loving Soviet Astles duct tape. Oh, sorry. The first of many simians went up when win a bunch of science loving Soviet Astles duct tape Albert the space MC a macaque. Mc MC MC. Space macaque strapped to V two rocket shot him thirty nine miles towards stars before that brave little fucker suffocated during the flight. Okay. He wasn't duct taped. Where the technology was still in early stages, and he didn't survive Albert was followed by Albert to who survived his terrifying. V two rocket flights managed to travel eighty miles into space, but died on the way back from a parachute failure June fourteenth, nineteen forty nine technically our two is the first primate in space as his trip past the Karman line a little bit about the Karman line. The Karman line is the place where the distinction between the earth's atmosphere and space sits the border of space sits at one hundred ten kilometers or sixty eight miles above sea level in luminosity space leaders are hiding up there like some wacky doodles actually believe you could say they're Carmen chameleons. Yes. Comecon com. Okay. I'll show myself out. Back to monkeys in space, Albert, the third Albert four would also gets trapped into BT rockets. What also die to move technology forward? They would continue to name these macaques Albert and most would continue to not survive. They would suffocate burn up freak out or the pressure would. Nope. It by got. Now. I'm going to be honest. I feel a little bit sad about the dog alive. Earlier. I didn't know that a real life monkey horror show was coming up right around the corner when I made that shit up. I had no idea these poor space monkeys. We're going to be lighting up like sparklers or Vialli smashing into earth. After falling thousands and thousands of feet is ridiculous. I I read this internet actually thought I was getting loopy then is making this up. The United States seem to prefer monkeys while the rookies did use a lot of docs. God dang. They had fifty seven dogs were used as part of the space. Now. Now, I feel bad about the dog live even more. It's all so much worse than I imagined. Why don't they just use like repeat sexual offender? Pedophile is instead, right. Send them up the world has no shortage of them. And who cares? They don't make it back. The very first dogs were. Tis gin and Zeke they reached space July twenty second nineteen fifty one, but they did not orbit who'd be several years before like, it would be the first they were however, the first mammals to be successfully recovered from spaceflight many animals pave the way for human spaceflight and are still used to increase our understanding of the effects of microgravity all sorts of monkeys chimps dogs, mice wash Beatles. Turco tortoises warms fish, Ravitz bees. Ants, crickets, rats, snails urchins Maas brine, shrimp, jellyfish, Guinea, pigs butterflies, scorpions, cockroaches bullfrogs garden. Spiders, Tara grades. Even even ten space news, probably couple of Roanoke reclusives made into orbit. Probably some of those Hombres Sinoe ans-, right? Getting getting a space tough as well. A few cat fanatics. France sent first kitty into space Tober eighteen nineteen sixty three that Astro kitty was named a Phillies. It successfully recovered after parachuting back to earth. I mean like an and I say that I picture the cat can jumping out and pull them like a Ripcord and then just shooting down. It was the it was, you know, the the little space, fuck, whatever. Now, I'm blanking on the word some kind of ship. You know, what I'm talking about the little space. You had the parachute out the cat, which would have been even better. Okay. Okay. All right back to the space race, February twelfth nineteen sixty one Russia completes the first launch from earth orbit made many technological advancements, including the first mid course corrections the first spin stabilization with venero one mission that a few months later. They would crank to space race up to eleven unable twelfth Yuri Gagarin became the first human to achieve space light. Right. The Russians are winning now. The the the Vostok one mission became a massive card in the Cold War propaganda game. Not to be done. The US would quickly respond a may fifth. Alan shepherd pilot, the first manually controlled spaceflight and complete the first ever piloted mission. Freedom seven Russia, not impressed. We are the make space we have mountains space, the snow Brolin. So I stay so stay longer you want. Impress us. You get the moon you plan to fly. Then I'm press then you win the Soviet Union achieved the first planetary fly by of earth. Neighbor, Venus on may nineteenth and then on may twenty fifth nineteen sixty one president JFK gave his famous we're going to the moon speech. Ask congress for five hundred thirty one million to put a Yankee on the moon before the end of the decade. It would go into cost over thirty billion the American response to Russia's reasons. Successes was to put the first orbital solar observatory in March of nineteen sixty to put that up there. And then impact the far side of the moon for the first time with. Spacecrafts in April of nineteen sixty two then out of nowhere of the UK jumped into the space fund didn't expect that the UK became the third country to get a satellite up in space with area one satellite. The US helped put the first commercial satellite into orbit for a private company. Skews me AT and T on July tenth nineteen sixty two. That's a big moment. The privatization of space or privatization of space me. There are now hundreds of private satellites in space. There's actually over eleven hundred active satellites between government and private plus nearly three thousand satellites that are no longer working C C like it wasn't just about when he conspiracy theorist handling. We never made it to the moon. They're really discounting much more than like, you know, a few trips to the moon. They're just counting like this entire space race. 'cause now like you just the technology came out of nowhere, right? They're thinking that the Russians and the US just made up all of this shit on August twelfth Soviets cranked up the technological know-how. When the Vostok three in Boston four missions became the first simultaneous flights are doc post. Doc. Three and four I simultaneous flights multiple crewed vessels. They also chief the first ship to ship radio contact on December fourteenth US made their own fly by Venus with mariner to mission Russia's Julio. We all do this. No big way. Why are you copy? We do already June sixteenth nineteen sixty three Russia once again up the ante with Vostok six mission by sending Valentina Tereshkova the first woman in flights, and I into space few days later, the Soviets would break the five day human flight record three days later on July nineteenth NASA. Senate the first reusable piloted space plane with sub orbital x fifteen they would also send up to more advanced satellites in December of nineteen sixty three and August nineteen sixty four in the Russians would counter with a couple of space race haymakers over a year later on Tober twelve nine hundred sixty four the Russia, a Russian buckshot one sent the first multi person craft into space then on March eighteenth ninety sixty five they chief the first spacewalk. On the Vasco to mission or cod to mission boom right to to the job. United States would have their first spacewalk on June third nineteen sixty five the Jim Knight four mission July sixty five NASA did their first fly by Mars in August accrue. The gem nine five broke the record for the longest spaceflight with eight days in orbit in December the gymnastics gymnasts seven would make sweet spaceship love they spaceship fuck becoming the first craft to rendezvous in space getting it on docking pods and holes. December eighteenth nineteen sixty five NASA and the gymnast seven crew increase spaceflight record two weeks. Russia counter February third nineteen sixty six the first ever soft landing on the moon. The first pictures ever taken from another celestial body to add to the taunting rush with the first impact on the planet when they're venero three contacted Venus back and forth back and forth. Making sure we put our flag on the fucking moon for is making more and more sense. When you think about this context, right? We didn't just randomly decide to do that. And then just not go back, you know, for years after a few more missions by at built towards this on March sixteenth, nineteen sixty six NASA and the crew of gem nine eight successfully docked, right? They're getting it onto April that year the Soviet then put the first satellite around the orbit of the moon, the United States returns with demonstration of superior rocket power. And in November the crew of the Jim Knight twelve million would complete a record five and a half hour spacewalk and demonstrate that people could do practical work in space and later. October nineteen sixty seven the Russians doc, some remote control vehicles in space. Right. More back and forth. Undescended seven nineteen sixty eight US launches at the older ultra-violet observatory oh A O one two weeks later in December twenty first Apollo eight launches and on December twenty fourth they become the first human crewed flight to orbit the moon. Also, the first human spacecraft to ever be under the influence of gravity from another celestial body, and then he Soviets answer back with the Soyuz four and five missions where they had the first exchange of crew between two ships and space. So that's impressive. But not nearly as impressive as what Americans would do next the Apollo missions. Would usher the knockout punches for the United States in the space race? So now we've made it to that big controversial year for conspiracy theorist nineteen sixty nine right? When the Apollo mission supposedly culminated into the the first moon landing on Marston ninety six nine the space craft known as Apollo nine was launched this. Missions three member crew included, the super not famous astronauts, James mcdevitt, David Scott, and Russell Schweiker pollens mission was testing tire spacecraft, including the lunar module and the Saturn five rocket. The the Apollo nine crew spent ten days in space space walk several technical tests being the first crude flight of the lunar module, two months before the moon landing would take place on may eighteenth three absolutely forgotten names in history crew, the essential mission known as Apollo ten. It was basically a complete practice run at the moon landing minus the actual ending crew members Thomas p Stafford note never heard of them was the mission commander, John w young command command module pilot and Eugene Cernan who that was lunar lunar module pilot. They would test all aspects of the upcoming moon mission, including a lunar orbit and a descent to just nine miles above the surface of the moon, man, they came so close nobody knows their names after a day several transmissions and various systems test later, they returned safely. And then after decades of work and a great deal of treasure spent and a Warfield space race to push the preposterous idea that a man can step on the moon. It became a miraculous reality or one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. Apollo eleven. We'll be crewed by the two most famous astronauts in history. And also by one almost totally forgotten guy. There'd be commanding officer James Tiberius, cook first officer and science officer Spock, and then the much lesser known chief medical officer Leonard McCoy, and that is a starship enterprise. Neil Armstrong was the commander of Apollo eleven Buzz Aldrin the second to walk on the moon. It was lunar module pilots. And then all poor Michael Collins was back in the fucking back of the stage playing bass Michael Collins was actually the command module pilot and third crew member on July sixteenth nineteen sixty nine. Apollo eleven is launched from the Kennedy Space Center launch complex thirty nine in Merritt island, Florida on July nineteenth craft passes the behind. And the moon and begins lunar orbit on July. Twentieth. At twenty seventeen UT see coordinated universal time the lunar module known as the eagle separates from the command module Columbia the eagle than lands. The eagle has landed. Right on the moon in a place called the tranquility crews asked to sleep is one of my favorite details. The cruise asked to sleep before stepping onto the surface of the moon. Just take a little nap. Right, right. When you get there. The men reported being too excited and unable to sleep. Yeah. Who's fucking dumb idea was that. Are you kidding me? It goes against everything and human nature of the Mon before you get out. The fucking step step on the moon and take the greatest episode mankind. I'll let you take a little nap. I right. Just they down read a book falsely for a little bit. That's ridiculous. Incredible news, everyone we have found the lost city of Atlantis mermaids sea serpents wizards most incredible city you've ever seen at the bottom of the Atlantic. It's enclosed in a giant protective shield is going to change everything we know about earth. There's some other civilizations living inside their team alpha. You're gonna be entering the city at noon tomorrow and especial new submersible designed for Justice monumentous occasion. When you enter you're gonna see technology never seen new race, beautiful people streets golden jewels. The secrets of God in the universe may be locked in Atlantis soon as you get there. What you lay down? Why don't you take a nice long nap? Don't don't rush you just lay down immediately after arriving in the most exciting environment and human has ever seen these fucking take a quick little now, this is going to be naked Mur people. Probably gonna come ask you to come inside the ship and have sex with you. It'd be I'm sure it's gonna be amazing. Tell them to come back after you've gotten your wrist, right nap. First then exciting shit. That's not how life works anyway. Just six hours later, July twenty first to fifty six UT. Neil Armstrong, utters, his famous line. That's one step for a man a giant leap for mankind. Buzz Aldrin could be heard muttering in the back on God. Damn. I wanna fuck to be the guy who stepped out the Buzz Aldrin was a second to walk and speak on the moon. One thousand nine minutes later known cares. What he said. He described what he saw his magnificent desolation known was paying attention. They're like fucking Neil Armstrong was the best buzz. Like now him. I'm here to you guys. What around I'm saying even cooler stuff like yeah. Whatever anyway meal can't wait for him to get back. And then Michael Collins like he was eating anyway, even knew he's there. It's right around here. The conspiracy theories actually believed these dudes this is we're gonna get this later. It's my my favorite part of the suck. Some people actually believe that around the time that these guys met, Nazis or aliens or agents Marion gods, or you know, had a coffee break while they're waiting for Stanley Kubrick say action again later on the twenty first lunar module reconnect with command module Columbia with all three pioneering space apes inside. And they start the journey back to earth three days later, the twenty four th Columbia splashes down in the Pacific Ocean randomly it. When it landed hit a dog that was swimming out there in one more dog would die because of the NASA stuff. That I don't even know I said that this is the official story of the first moon landing and the three astronauts who had part of this mission have never wavered. And they're telling you the story if this didn't happen. These men are line as are many other men who claim to have stepped on the moon in the years that followed in nineteen sixty nine Pete Conrad and Alan L Bean landed on the moon is part of the Apollo twelve mission. Guess they lied to nineteen seventy-one Alan Shepard. And Edgar d Mitchell landed is part of the Apollo fourteen mission liars. Also in seventy one David Scott, James B Irwin land. As part of the Apollo fifteen mission liars the following year hundred seventy two John Young and Charles M, Duke junior land paid off by freemasons to say that obviously. And then in nineteen seventy-two Eugene Cernan Harrison Jack Schmitt landed or bribed by officers of the bohemian grove all Americans, by the way, the Soviet Union. Never did lend anyone on the moon to this day only the United States, the USSR and China are the only countries to ever land anything on the moon. So anyway, all twelve astronauts who landed have to be line for moon landing conspiracy to be true also line are all the other crew members associated with these missions. Okay. So now before dig into the conspiracies, let's take a little closer to look at the first three men conspiracy theorists. Think are full of shit. The first three men, you know, the part of that mission that conspiracy theorists think our national traitors some of the worst liars in common the human race has ever produced. And let's do that by hopping out of today's time suck timeline. Good job soldier made it back, man. Okay. The twelve different dudes who set foot on the Mon not just random jackasses heavily vetted. Tough people is guys had flight experience. A lot of it backgrounds in engineering. They had to have degrees, you know, and some kind of relevant field like engineering or medicine or physics or biology or chemistry. They weren't launching just some random jackass into orbit. You know, they weren't going into the gas station and checking out who's cleaning the floor like you fucking sending the space. Lots of the best of the best. One of the very best was Neil. Motherfucking armstrong. Neil armstrong. Born in these words, what can Neta Ohio on August fifth? Nineteen thirty Neal was a successful navy a naval. He was navy guy. You guys he worked in the navy will now he was acceptable. Naval aviator from nineteen forty nine hundred fifty two that he joined the naval advisory committee for 'aeronautics the nineteen fifty five that would later be dissolved and reborn as NASA Armstrong would go to be the project pilot for over two hundred for models of aircraft, including the high-speed prototype project ex fifteen this this thing could fly over forty five hundred miles per hour. This is a bad as pilot became an astronaut in nineteen sixty two he was first assigned his command pilot for Jim nine eight where he performed the first successful docking. Yeah. He did the first USA space fucking March nine hundred sixty six and then nine hundred sixty nine as we stated he became the first man to land a craft on another world. And to step on its surface. He go on to be the deputy associate administrator for aeronautics at NASA at their headquarters in Washington DC here, he oversaw the air next research and technology. The NASA worked with you. Don't do those kinds of things if you're dummy, I don't think you do all that. And then just dupe the American public with a big fake moon story, but that's just me from nineteen seventy one to seventy nine. Neal was a professor of aerospace engineering at university of Cincinnati. He then entered into the private sector to crush it and become chairman of computing technologies for aviation Inc. At a Charlottesville Virginia, his a bachelor of science degree in air, nautical engineering from Purdue master of science and aerospace engineering from UCLA holds honorary doctorates from several universities. He's been decorated by seventeen countries. He's held a number of prestigious titles several awards like the presidential medal of freedom. The congressional gold medal Nasr's distinguished service medal, and the Royal Geographic Society gold medals just to name a few. He passed away in two thousand twelve at the age of eighty two and he was a tough son of a bitch up until the end. Neil actually during his final interview in two thousand twelve at the age of eighty two did address the moon landing conspiracy theories. He said people love conspiracy theories. I mean, they are attractive. They're very active, but it was never a concern to me because I know one day somebody's going to fly back up there and pick up that camera. I left love it, some Mundi conspiracies go so far as to say that NASA even trick Neil buzz nether astronauts into thinking, they just went to space and the moon get the fuck outta here. As the dumbest notion by these guys are way too. These are highly educated highly trained gonna fucking trickle into thinking they're another planet if they're on this planet. That's absurd. Yeah. That's just you something is very wrong with your brain. If you think that's possible, Buzz Aldrin, also an incredible man, he attended West Point and graduated third his class you flew f eighty six sabre jets and sixty six combat missions in the Korean war was decorated with the Distinguished Flying. Cross he flew f one hundred and Germany than earned his doctorate of science and astronautics MIT. He wrote his doctoral thesis on manned, orbital rendezvous. He was the first astronaut when he was selected in nineteen sixty three to have a doctorate in his peers called him. Doctor Rhonda vu NASA still uses the rendezvous techniques. He developed day. He was also one of the underwater training pioneers to help simulate spacewalking this bad acid extremist credit with the first successful spacewalk or extra vehicular activity. Evey a set a record of five and a half hours after trip to the moon. He authored nine books, including the New York Times bestseller. No dream is too high life lessons from a man who walked on the moon. Great title, and even a children's book. Welcome to Mars making a home on the red planet. He has an asteroid a moon crater named after him. He started his share space foundation to push steam education. Steam stands for science technology engineering arts and math for kids K through eight. He also started his own space institute in two thousand fifteen to help develop a vision for a permanent home for humans on Mars, and he's still alive today. Eighty nine years young does this sound like the kind of guy who could be tricked or convinced to lie about a moon landing. He's been accused of being a fraud, and obviously, and he doesn't care for a loved the store is a tough son of a bitch man, two thousand one Thirty-seven-year-old filmmaker named Bart Cyril and a cameraman surprised buzzes. Apollo mission, buddy. Then seventy one year old Neil Armstrong event, New York City bar became key. Bark came armed with the bible demand. The Neil Armstrong swear on it. And swear that he really walked on the moon. And then he was kicked out of the event. Rightfully so. Nielsen fucking lunatic. Anything I hate people like Bart ride. Somebody makes a. Public address, and then they specifically hundred but I want you to tell you look in my eyes, and you tell me don't give a shit about you. Right. Fucking weirdo. A year later bartend made the mistake of going after Buzz Aldrin with presumably the same tactics. Maybe even the same bible, and then a seventy two years old bar excuse me, pardon buzz. He's fucking buzz ethically punched thirty eight year old Bart right in the jaw and became one of my heroes forever. Bart had lured buzz to a Beverly Hills hotel under the pretext of an interview for Japanese children's television show, wasn't real it was an ambush right Bart set him up when buzz left the hotel after realize there was no one there that was going to interview bar approaches him with a small camera crew of, you know, some other pieces shit buzz refuses to speak with Bart. Bart yells at him. You're the one who said you walked on the moon when you didn't then he got. But then he got his old older guys face, and he calls all a coward and a liar and a thief and watch this video so many times Aldrin than asks. Bart. Will you get away from me and bar because he's a complete. Piece of shit human being does not and then bust socks him and his fucking face. And I've watched the footage this punch. It's one of my favorite punches of all time. I watched yesterday about thirty times, there's compilation videos on YouTube that just show going over and over and over I smile, every time great form great form. He doesn't rear back. She's a solid pop. Forward thrust right to the job perfect technique. I wish you would have followed by curb stomp and BART's fucking head into the ground and bar, by the way, has one of the most punishable faces. You will ever see he looks like a villain in an Adam Sandler movie. Right. He looks like like some some pudgy trust fund kid. But my dad said I could do what I wanted to fucking touch. And then Bart being the Weasley little cowardly shipper that he is runs away. Tries to sue Alden for assault. The charges will be dropped when the court ascertains that. Bart clearly provoked buzz hail Nimrod. So that's that guy. Michael Collins, also appears to be man of great integrity. Michael Collins, also, graduated from West Point, he became an experienced military fighter pilot and test by so I keep flashing back to maybe like that punch also came from a place of anger that had nothing to do with. Bart. It would be even better. If while he punched Barton, I should have been I stepped on the Mon. I I was the better ask for something. Like that. Anyway, Michael college graduate from West Point became an experienced military fighter pilot test pilot became the first son of a bitch to orbit the moon alone during his orbit while Armstrong and Aldrin did moon shit. He would lose communication with earth. And other two astronauts writers, I lived we're like little two minute like dark period when conspiracy theorists and a lot of weird shit with aliens happened. He's quoted as saying, I'm alone now, truly alone and absolutely isolated from any known life. I m it if account were taken the score would be three billion plus two over on the other side of the moon and one plus God knows what's on this side. What great quote on two thousand sixteen in an interview, the then still very active eighty five year old said he performed in one mini triathlon. A year at eighty five do the winner. Do the champion. These extremely accomplished men are who the moon landed. Hoaxers are calling shit lords who they're calling liars. And I don't like that. Also, a lot of their friends died. So we could land on the moon, which kind of pisses these guys off, right? Kind of a big deal to do that eighteen astronauts have been killed in five separate incidents. The fallen American astronauts are memorialized at space mirror memorial. At the Kennedy Space Center in Florida while the cosmonauts were generally buried at the Kremlin wall Macropoulos in Moscow. Among the fatal tragedies are to spatial explosions. Nine hundred eighty six challenger explosion killing seven and two thousand three Columbia explosion killing seven more. Additionally, eleven other astronauts have been killed in training and all of this for a hoax. I mean think think about this just with a little bit of logic all of this for hoax. Okay. Now, we've to conspiracies. Yeah. Yeah. A general rule for tearing apart a feasible conspiracy theory is based on how many people knew about it in this case. It was thousands moon. Hoax. Troopers will say everything was compartmentalized. And that's true. But there are a few people who've come out even on their deathbeds to decry the truth of the hoax. This might be a good time to bring up another person whose reputation gets thrown into the bullshit of occasion of the moon. Landing Stanley Kubrick ride, legendary filmmaker who in nineteen sixty eight film, the masterpiece space odyssey two thousand one number one suspect to have directed the hoax and most people who believed that the moon. Lenny was faked seem to believe that it was filmed, and that he filmed it this is the main conspiracy Kubrick is a good candidate to a film the hoax. I mean after all he did make a pretty cool space movie, you know, just a year earlier and two thousand fifteen the Kubrick theory gained even more traction fake interview, complete with a pretty convincing actor was made and released by t Patrick Murray. Mr. Murray who has never officially admitted. This was a hoax created a film called shooting Kubrick or an actor playing Kubrick seemingly admits to filming the moon landing in studio. It's an obvious hoax with the main actor at times breaking character and Murray calling the guy Tom, but like all internet horse Shiri. There are armies of credulous fuck wits will into embrace and disseminate this particular bit of information. Perhaps the best way to perspective in in the Stanley Kubrick aspect of the hoax theories the most efficient way to put his involvement to bed. Rest is to hear what Stanley's daughter Vivian Kubrick has to say about her father's alleged involvement. She said surely an artists such as my father, who's profound degree of artistic integrity is self evident whose political social consciousness is manifestly manifestly presence in nearly every film. He made who's highly controversial subject matter literally put his life at risk and yet he continued to make films. He's made don't you think? He'd be the very last person ever to assist the US government in such a terrible betrayal of its people. There are many very real conspiracies that have happened throughout our history are happening presently. I'm only too aware of the dreadful manipulations perpetrated by government secret services, banksters, the military industrial complex et cetera. But claims that the moon landings were faked and filmed by my father. I just can't understand it. How can anyone believe that? One of the greatest defenders of mankind would commit such an act of betrayal. My father's artistic works are as unimpeachable defense. Finally, my love my father notwithstanding. I actually knew him. I lived and worked with him. So forgive my harshness when I state categorically, these so-called truth, these militias cranks persist in flirting that my father conspired with the US government to fake the moon. Landings is manifestly a grotesque lie. So there you go make that what you wish meets ex. Right. So where do these moon landing conspiracy get started? There are many sources of moon-ho claims Russian authors, and researchers have been publishing books like Yuri. A McCain's anti Apollo lunar scam of the USA for years. Lot of the moon landing propaganda has come from Russia. This is where some motivation to point fingers at Stanley Kubrick comes from as recently as two thousand eighteen Russians have been molding the space race to be in their favor. Dmitry Ragas Roxanne the head of the Russian space agency roscosmos announced Russia's preparing moon mission to amongst other things. Check to see if the US did actually landed on the moon. I actually found in two thousand eighteen Russian study. It said fifty seven percent of Russians do not believe Americans ever landed on the moon. In fact, again, a lot of this propaganda comes from Russia. What's interesting, though, is that Russian cosmonauts back in nineteen sixty nine did not doubt that Americans land on the moon. Probably because those dudes were very intelligent and smart enough to understand that we did. In fact, how the scientific scientific capability. To do what we claimed not all of the anti moon. Landing rhetoric. Started in Russia. Bill Kazin does Chicago author of we never went to the moon, America's thirty billion dollar swindle. First published his conspiracy claims in the US back in nineteen seventy six a lot of current popular claims about moon hoax has come from this fucking crank of a book. Some of his claims included it the Apollo Lander did not create blast craters. No dust would disturbed on lenders legs or from the engine blast and a bunch of tinfoil favorites about to go through a big part of the need for conspiracy theories is general disdain for people who are in charge of things in the case, the US moon mission started good people loved it. When JFK give speeches about space, but people felt less comfortable with people like Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Nixon part of conspiracy beliefs is the is that conspiracies do exist and the proven distrust one area can lead to paranoia and others, right perhaps the most popular and amongst the easiest moon landing hoax conspiracy to bunk. Is the is the waving flag on the windless moon. How could that happen? Well, when Neil Armstrong plame DC tranquillity in the name of the USA to flag moved in the in the quote, unquote wind why right there shouldn't be any win. So therefore all of the things spatially faked. Fuck NASA, right? Will the truth is the flag is still on the moon stillness same spot. It was propped up by wires to look taught. And when Neil Armstrong shoved the fifty starred symbol of kick ass barbecues and individual liberty into the Ashy looking dirty moved a little bit because of inertia the inertia from moving the flag. When planting created the flag right to move as shown in the video. I've read articles written by tons of scientists saying they have no problem to flag moving like it did all point to inertia, and if they don't have a problem, neither do I there is also the claim that the photos of the moon landing were faked. My brain wants to point to the fact that over eight thousand images were released by NASA covering the entirety of their moon. Missions is proof that went to the moon a lot of photos DeVos shop back. Then. Right. When photo shopping wasn't as easy. Fuck around your phone. But you know, I guess someone could hire an army of Photoshop experts. Ancient pre Photoshop experts. This is one of those claims you can't prove if you really wanna believe that NASA. Edited all those images back, then I'm not gonna change your mind. You know, you in logic. Just don't get along. What about the shadows claim? There are multiple shadow angles and some of the moon images, and there shouldn't be right this, according to skeptics indicates multiple lighting sources when the lunar landing shouldn't have had multiple lighting sources, right only. The son was supposed to be light source will this when you can actually go bunk by yourself. You can take pictures outside on an uneven surface, the Mythbusters did this on an episode, right? And and you know, took pictures, and it shows, you know, light anomalies. The shadow argument is connected to the argument over the illuminated many objects in the Apollo pictures with one light source. Why are there so many shadows will because of the reflective material present in the moon's surface? The light bounces off of the moon service is lumpy. It provides. A lot of different looking shadows. You know, who doesn't have a problem with shadow angles in photo taken the Mon professional, photographers, if they're not constantly pointing out that the shadows on the moon fucked up and fake looking. Then why do we care what some random jackass in some basement putting videos on the internet thinks another popular complain about the authenticity of the photos taken on the moon is the crosshairs that help frame the picture appear to be in the background of several pictures. This of course, means that some airbrush trickery right is a foot is the whole fucking space program is a fraud. Now, the crosshairs are in the background in any of the high definition photos. They do indeed appear to be the background of a handful of low resolution pictures, this is a pixel issue that is easily debunked and connects with the next popular claim one of my favorite claims about the trickery with the mown is it Walt Disney used models to fake many of the beautiful moon shots, and that the you know, they stapled like down certain props in this set. And I guess there's a few pictures where people think that are Staples on the feet of the. Astronauts. You know, they think like Disney was doing this. You know, I they slipped penises and sexual innuendo and their animated films. And now they're helped helping Nixon faked the moon landing the appearance of Staples is against trick of pixels. It doesn't appear in the high definition versions. Wasn't the dude working on Cinderella airbrush and shit? Also. And just lo fi photos you've ever taken a lot of pictures. They just have natural defects in them. You know, there's that I've had that many my own photos, but I'm but I probably work for the aluminum. Maybe I don't even know about it. What about the c shaped rock and one of the photos wiser fucking seen one of the rocks at nature of the make letters. This one isn't as popular as it's also easily debunked during the copying process. Somebody lost a hair. It doesn't appear on the original. Sometimes a hair will fall on a photo in a photo lab, even moon votes. Right. The eyelash and your dinner isn't a sign of a conspiracy. And neither is a hair and photo the most popular of the fake photos arguments is the lack of stars. Why why Casey the stars lot better simple technical understanding of how photos you're taking debunks this right of aperture to keep the lunar Lander and the astronauts in focus in the foreground, the aperture was turned on them. And it wasn't able to pick up the much more faint light source of the stars. This one's weird to me that anyone has a problem with this. Have you just never taken a fucking picture? I guess you just don't know how photos work, but I mean, I guess a lot of people don't there's push a button in this the farthest thing. Yeah. So that's ridiculous. There's the the conspiracy about the wires right there. The dash are clearly on wires that one comes up a lot. You know, there's even you know flashes of light that appear to reflect off said, wow. Wires and the images of astronauts seemingly being pulled up by wires after falling. You know, which points that it happened on a Hollywood set or an Arizona, very fifty one. You know, or, you know, Burbank, this one is devised common-sense le-. Let me get this straight. You think NASA took billions of dollars to fake moon landing, but then left in obvious wires in the pictures. Get the fuck outta here. Right. You think they photo shopped everything else, but they just forgot the wire parts they operate on a budget of billions of dollars a year hire some of the brightest minds in the country, but they leave the wires in the photos. Okay. Another photo related aspect of all. This is the man meets moon. Deniers claim that the cameras wouldn't have worked on the moon. You know, the extreme temperatures in the absence of the atmosphere to protect the cameras from sunlight would have ruined any chances of eating photos in the Mon. And that's van Allen belt. Didn't get him. I that's actually probably why I thought it was important to go over the space race earlier. Lot of early missions were about figuring out cameras and space and how to protect sensitive instruments in extreme temperature conditions. Nasa did have cameras break. Earlier missions, Neil, even dropped one for future explorers. Defined pick on the moon as we alluded to earlier, right? The engineers working for NASA thought about protecting the film beforehand. They didn't just set up a send up shitty. Little polaroid cameras. Another interesting conspiracy claim come from the atmospheric makeup of the moon or lack thereof that makes the gravity the moon about one six that of which it is on earth. This means in theory, the national one hundred eighty five pounds would way around thirty pounds with the muscle strength, being you know, of somebody with one hundred eighty five pounds still, and this has, you know, many people speculating about or this had many people back when the millennium went on speculating about superhuman athletic ability on the moon. But it was that a golf ball could be hit over the horizon on the moon in one six gravity that leaps of several feet. Could be achieved easily people seem to be disappointed when they saw footage from the lunar landing or there was unique. But it didn't seem insanely superhuman will part of the reason it didn't is because of the equipment. The men wore their suits weighed well over one hundred pounds, even if the equipment weight as much as demand in theory that three hundred seventy pounds you'd only about sixty pounds of force on the astronauts was still that's more weight. But also like why didn't the astronauts bounce even higher? Than they did. We'll probably because he didn't wanna die. You know, they weren't interested in jumping very high because you know, if they're suit tears, if they fuck up and hurt themselves, if they crack their helmet, you know, they're going to just suffocate or dive decompression on the moon, right? Like in this environment. What kind of jackass is going to be carelessly flinging his body around? I'll tell you what kind of idiot of the internet a personal Atkin educational overall intellectual understanding to realize doing so it will be extremely reckless and soupy if you put some fucking hillbilly up there. Hacking jump how to Mon fucking crack air dead. Speaking of it. It's let's check in with him before continued to examine even more insane conspiritors conspiratorial lunar notions. I promise to big it's of the internet last week. I hope you feel like I'm delivering with this one. Injured that. Video. We looked at today posed by the Discovery Channel back in two thousand eight when they were focused on science and not undramatic reality shows like naked afraid and gold rush. The video is called top-five moon mission bloopers almost two hundred thousand views over twelve hundred comments. It's quick video just over two and a half minutes. Long features bloopers from the final two Apollo missions. And the bloopers aren't very funny. It's not funny. Video just astronauts singing songs or saying dadgum, it literally Saint dog Dan going when they have a hard time picking up something, and they fall down the comments though beneath the video to me, very funny. Right. This golden these three it's pill mono, atomic idiot. Gold. Trunk twelve posts NASA, and some fraction of the shadow government knew that the internet's fast-growing capabilities would soon expose all that is wrong with the Apollo program and the so called moon landing. So what do they do? Yes. They orchestrated diversion and thus enters the flat earth agenda. It has infested and subverted the one highly appreciated conspiracy theorist movement said, wow, you've gone deep, buddy. Do you hear what this jackass is saying that NASA invented the flat earth conspiracy theory to discredit fake moon landing conspiracy theorists. Right. So people would take them less. Seriously. Holy shit. This definitely has a room with some sort of fucking peg board situation. Scott strings running between different images, you know. Just can just paranoid shit. All make sense. Okay. Okay. They faked the moon many in a good way to until until the internet comes along. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Then when they read a few comments that okay? They connect this quick come up with a diversion. Okay. Let's make flatter videos. If they find out we fake, the moon landing. They're surely going to cover the luminosity. Okay. So we got to come up with some more shit. We need to start making lizard luminosity videos to get people to stop taking the real eliminated. Seriously got thrown off track. We are talking about a new world order layer underneath the Denver airport. Right. So off the set of real layer underneath area. Fifty one talk about the bohemian growth talking about Hugo take some of the heat off, the Bilderberg smoking mirrors smoking here. Peachy gate, always says, you know. Fucking crazy. People are fucking crate and in three three posts and expert of insanity. Now, they have blurry pictures of a black hole, which is more bullshit. How about a pic of the US flag on the moon? I love how he's upset about. The fucking photo definition from the from the black hole. It's fifty five million light years away you shit bird. Gotta be hard to get solid. Focus. Also, you know, why we can't see the flag clearly now because it is it's not built in the wind. Right. Because there isn't a win weeks. We explain that. It's not really photo ready. What women live reverence here? Let's feel show that you could see the lawyer why sees now for the ready. Why poke fun the shame cook? Whether it'd be the assume cook, maybe the loss of space rates real reason, not to have a hard pride new post, Nick so many username new nobody's ever been to the moon, Jack. So what do you mean back to the moon? Disinform agent alert and this comments in reference to the bloopers. Coming from later Apollo moon. Lenny missions, right? But what I wonder if this guy doesn't believe we've ever been to the moon. Why is he focusing on the words back to right? If he's if you don't think we've ever been then the whole video is a disinform agent alert user chief John Paulson post next. And since he misspelled the word chief in his username as I she. I don't expect anything smart. He writes, they forgot how to go back to the moon with sixties technology. What a crock I urge you all to look into the actual truth that they never went at all and can't ever go because it's impossible. Wow. Can't ever. Go has sheaf not seen how quickly technology around him advances can't ever go. I hope someone someday send him a postcard from ours saved life post next. It's comical L fake, this is he got dragged by the cables attached to his harness yet. Everything else remain. Stationary. I watched the video and Nope. Daddy, o nine thirty. Then posts we never went to the moon. Why because all the elements in the periodic table can be found in solar flares that would include radioactive elements. Apollo twelve would have had to fly through solar flares for twelve plus hours that is impossible with our technology now. So they couldn't have done it then that level of radiation with a fried him like a hot dog in a microwave oven. What you fucking what are you talking about? Daddy. You don't know anything about technology. Can't do it because of solar flares can't ever go case closed right picture. Daddy, o nine thirty high fiving. She John Paulson after this told you bro, not ever. So parallelly every single employee of every space program in the world is either too dumb to possess. Daddy, O's inciteful understanding of solar flares and they just futile. He continued to do you know, what is literally impossible or they're liars in bed with the aluminum body. Daddy, o has zero critical thinking skills fucking. So they're not sending off their tank tops that space on user. Todd peachy is a man of few words, he posts only fools believed that we ever went to the moon research. It you research toddy, fuck and half wit read books with big words. Clearly heartbeat understand when you do words like, astronomy and 'aeronautics and college doctorate stop getting on your science fro from conspiracy forms, only fools believe what a food who. Step out of. That was that was not a planned, Michael McDonald? I just came out of my soul. Dave sins. Clearly doesn't know fucking anything about the mooner space or science, but that doesn't stop him from confidently posting the following. You miss a step or trip over land on a sharp rock your suit will explode. Or burst out killing you in a few seconds yet. They are skipping and singing like, there's absolutely no imminent danger. The reason because they're not on the moon. Also, the extreme our pressure would make very difficult to move inside a blown-up balloon. How do you close your hands and take pictures manipulate small tools too many questions and no answers? Wow. Too many questions is right. Dave where do I start? You miss a step in your Soule explode. What are you talking about move inside a blown-up balloon have you ever seen an astronaut suit? I mean, you know, there's not actually made of the same material as a kids cheap party balloon, right? Can handle a sharp rocker to you Jack s how do you think they didn't think of that? Why would they ever send astronauts to space suits that would tear like like cheap Saran wrap with the first contact with sharp rock and how would leak explode them? Someone who wrote their user name in Arabic posts, and I it's not English letter. So I don't know how to say where the fuck is Neil Armstrong, and Buzz Aldrin, shouldn't they? Shouldn't they be on TV every year to celebrate this historic event media? Give them too much exposure, no media give much exposure to prostitutes in horse more than those legendary quote, unquote, astronauts, but spelled Astro and then dash not an OT s Astro nuts. Well, Neil died in two thousand twelve there's going to be hard for him to make appearances buzzes, very very old and their astronauts, not Instagram. Celebrities. They don't give a shit about on TV now by them not going on TV every year in no way proves Lenny was faked. I don't even know it's getting harder and harder to even understand. What these some of these are talking about it's hard to just to connect to their ideas. Just what the fuck are you even talking about user, Nicole riposte the mood is now what we think? There are already humans or alliens out there. I don't think space is what we think. What are you even talking about Nikko Nakuru? That's cute. Thanks for stopping by. Once he goes to the stable use a Robert Thayer post. I find it amusing that many people think that those of us who know the moon landings were hoax think we are delusion idiots. Yup. But are unwilling to look at the obvious inconsistencies and make judgement. Nope. We look we're just fucking smarter than you. I thought the moons were real until I grew up an educated myself and realized they are not, oh, Robert, Robert, Robert, I think you have the words educated myself confused with the phrase, stop listening to all credible. Scientists and other academics how the fuck do you look into this and come up with your conclusions? It's so easy to debunk this fucking conspiracy. Chef for two oh, six posts. Anti-american hate writing. It is staggering. And so many people believe this moon landing craft when the foul. Of it is so obvious and inescapable for fuck sake. You stupid unintelligent Americans wake the fuck up. Your governor has been fooling you in the world for decades and their last pathetic effort was on eleventh of September two thousand one. What do you do about it? Watch digital TV eating shitty. Mcdonald's thinking them for protecting. You sit back and do fuck all paying tax unless somebody calls to wake up and look at the truth without a single link to the truth or any evidence of how the users become woke. These people are all the same these conspiracy. They're all the same. Right. They just fucking sitting a little vacuum. Right. Little echo chamber with their other idiot, friends and share the same stupid ideas. And none of them have a fucking clue. How science works right there. Sources never linked to any credible. Scientists or academics. Just other fucking dip shits on yoga mats with fucking crystals. Man, the sad. Fuck wouldn't last one minute in a legitimate intellectual argument? Okay. Hey, how's it? So obvious that the moon landing was faked. Are you serious open? Your eyes puppet are open and my want to give you some proof pulled me the real proof. That's all around you. Why don't you wake up? Get your third eye open for change. Please point me to something specific. Chef would you point me to anything specific it with an inside job, man? The moon Shiv focus on the moon there. There's the search exploded the solar flares think about the solar flares how it solar flares. It's mother what do you do? You understand yourself flourish shift? I will talk about anymore. Just please. Let me yell shit. I never have tobacco with careful thoughts and research research arguments in detail patients, you're lucky more samples, so angry father all your question. Make put your kiddies hetero. Stick. I don't know why can't came up, but he did user kids union twenty-seven brings Satan into the thread to close out these internet because you know, what fucking why not Satan hasn't showed up with bring him in here. He post this new the news is owned by satanic beans. One lie leads to a million lies and these scum. Have new lies all the time. The thing is they don't care look at the Cantrell issue. They got people. So brainwashed. They're still arguing over if they're real or not frowny face. It's like living in a nightmare wide awake. While everyone else is sleeping think. For one second. What great knowledgeable things could be on TV. And what do they put on instead crime war hate drugs? You know, what kids junior twenty seven I'm gonna agree with you. It is like living in a nightmare like being wide awake in a nightmare. Sometimes it feels to me like he was living in a nightmare rhyme continually surrounded by growing army of superstitious. Ignorant, overly confident paranoid delusional mindless, fucking idiots of the internet. The injured. I will say those in its internet man, they make appreciate time. Suckers who we think? There are means Zack's do not think these things now let's get back to examining theories. I just a little bit more little more thought out than the comments. They just mocked. Well, maybe not. The van Allen belt talk about that. Keep mentioned that one of those popular and what appears to be too many as as a moon hoax. Truth is idea of smoking gun is to then Allen radiation belt discovered by professional people studying space after the explored space. The truth is claimed that no human could Inouye survive the effects of the the belts, high levels of radiation. Turns out the can as proven by all the people that went to the moon and came back not from just sitting US. But from you know, USSR people surviving many people living long healthy lives, including the lively Buzz Aldrin, as we learn punched in the face when he was in the seventies of the van, Allen, radiation belt, isn't an issue. There was overlooked by the engineers of space programs the effects have been studied precautions have been taken the results are humans cans revived about when wearing suits built to shield aware from the harmful effects of radiation. What about computers right, how nineteen sixty nine technology sentiment of the Mon? This one comes up and a lot of documentaries and a lot of. Sections across the internet. The Apollo space you had the computing power of a modern calculator. How could it do it? Well, because it had enough competing power to fucking get someone into space. Right because they did it. That's how they did it this debunks it self the Apollo missions were carried out during a time. When Harrier jets were being introduced the military theater. The Concorde supersonic planes were being introduced to the masses. There were plenty of known. I witnessed extremely powerful miraculous technology already existing in nineteen sixty nine. You know, it's not like the earth was full of people drawn pictures on fucking cave walls with charcoal or some shit. You know, fire. Good look at space shuttle. You know, it's not like we doing that one day. And then the next day we're sending to the moon there was there was a lot of other provable technology. Existing us talking about footprints. There's no water on the moon. How could there be footprints on the moon? So skeptics say that Neal's famous prints couldn't exist because footprints require water and eventually nature will dry up and wipe it away. In other words, we are used to earth where there is whether. On earth. Yeah. A footprint can disappear days or sooner. However, there is no weather on the moon. No rain. No wind no liquid. No living things to muck it up. The only thing we know of that moves the particles of the service, the moon are impacts from space objects. So footprint argument easily debunked the moon landing never happened. Because NASA itself is a fake. There's that argument and that sadly is a fairly popular theory. Nasa is some evil cabal. Phil was aluminum puppets. Lot of different strains of the moon. Landing. Troopers seem to agree that Nastas Cambrai comprise of line traders to the human race, everything they say or do the lie through this Nasr's fake theories idea the space that the space agency is really a propaganda arm for either the not space program or these super secret space program, again a lot of lot of pathways to follow hearing looney tune land. I just wanted to bunks itself propaganda. Was was definitely a major force during the Cold War. The US government spent truckloads of the taxpayers money to sell those same taxpayers. The the idea of the space race was really cool that was super important that it was unpatriotic to disagree with any of it. But but conspiracy with that many people who all have to tell the same lie doesn't line up with human nature. We as a species approve over and over again, not great keeping secrets NASA. Not actually existing is way too. Big of a secret for so many people to keep now, here's a here's a fun one not seized on the moon. This is this is my favorite. This is my favorite conspiracy theory. One of the craziest moon hoax theories is that Nazi's began their space program in Germany, nineteen forty two. They built a small base far side of the moon. The theory goes at after World War Two Hitler and several of his officers escaped persecution by first heading to South America. Then to a secret aunt Arctic base, then straight to the moon and some kind of exo-atmospheric rocket saucer. Impressive and highly illogical, let me get a straight. They couldn't build an atomic bomb to win. In World War Two, but they could build a spaceship and a fucking secret base and Artika they could launch a spaceship from Antarctica and fly to the moon and stay there and live there. How to grown-ups who are not legitimately meant extremely mentally ill believe in something this fucking stupid. I honestly don't understand it a Bulgarian author and self proclaimed engineer, and physicist named Vladimir to ski is the main voice behind this theory wackadoo to alert the Nazi moon theory, also asserted that Hitler's colonies on the moon, this even better we're responsible for the mass sightings of UFO's in the forties and fifties. The those weren't flying saucer with aliens in them spotted over the country. They were fine saucers with Nazis in them. You know, just check and shit out fucking with us messing with nuclear missile silos of ducting people and cattle in impregnating redneck women. That's so deliciously insane. This theory also explains whether whether US and Russia abruptly discontinued their efforts to visit the moon why there was a brief two minute. Pause. And the Apollo eleven transmissions during that time, Neil Armstrong and buzz apparently had to negotiate and or fight with Nazi space, Nazis in two minutes. Hail nimrod. What a great seen some crazy not to moon based movie that would be. Also, even better apparently, not he didn't just Bill based on the service in the Mon they burrowed holes down into the moon where they where they live today. My God another rabbit hole in which to amble is the idea of the hollow moan and his Dirk fuck, buddy. Cousin the artificial moon. They both kind of insinuate. The same thing that our moon either has or has had cities and people living in working within it. This theory splinters into different moon landing related threads some artificial moon. Folks. Believe that the move Bill by ancient alien travelers, right? Some ancient Samaria international arts before recorded time the reference writing from various places like African tribes more obscure pastures some old Roman Greek and Hebrew texts including the bible, these writings all reference a time before the moon. They even talk of ancient sky gods, bringing the moon with them from far away to watch over and study mankind. This goes back like the David lizard luminosity thing if this moon matrix base. Some of these sorts of the moon landing couldn't have happened because aliens were already there. You know, there's military forces occupying hollow moon, they wouldn't let him on. Other theories, I discovered online seem to believe at least the moon landing did happen and whoever whomever occupies the moon met with Neil and buzz way. I guess they waved at Michael this accounts for some time in the broadcast is theory expands to claim flying saucer had to airbrushed at a several official NASA photos. No idea where the source material comes from just rabbit holes. Disappear into more rabbit holes that bend into giant wackadoo the wormholes. Okay. Now back to a more dare I say realistic proof, I guess to more proof of moon hoax theory. The original footage made on the high quality cameras designed for the Apollo missions have been lost. So this is troublesome. What happened to the footage? We'll Nass admits in two thousand and six that no one could find the original video recordings of the July. Twentieth. Nineteen sixty-nine landing and then Richard Navegar. An engineer at NASA Goddard. Space Flight Center in Maryland who oversaw television processing for the ground for the for the Apollo eleven mission went looking for this footage. The good news is he he was able to discover what happened to the tapes. The bad news is they were for sure lost. They were part of a batch of two hundred thousand tapes that were magnetically erased and reused to save money. So fuck I mean that does suck. And why would you not put those tapes in a very secure place? You know, maybe Mark them with first man to land on the moon. Never erase maybe make a thousand copies. I mean, there's a bad. There's a big mistake. But does a big bad mistake equal to cover up. No, it doesn't. That's a conspiracy minded paranoid brain thinking. How many times have you lost something important, right? I regained my kids birth certificates because fucking awesome left him in file folder somewhere. Lawsom? How many times have you fucked something out? There was important me. So many times. I miss the start of a vacation because I left my passport ninety. Home. Right. That's fairly important funny. How when we is individuals make mistakes we rationalize is just being human. But when big organization does they're hiding something. Another aspect of original footage that conspiracy theorist feast overs. How come the entire event was broadcast directly to the public? Well, here's Nastase explanation of that for audio. There were private channels between Apollo astronauts in Houston control center, plus the actual video of the event was filled with insent earth who's this whole calmly process. Because of the unique kind of film made to withstand extreme weather conditions. It was in shown on the screen and fill my TV camera for over a half billion. People are watching across the globe to see, you know, conspiracy theorist suggests that the dark images were necessary to hide the truth. The reality is they had to defend the projection of the original film because TV stations weren't equipped to technologically to play the footage directly. You know, the the they wanted to make sure that they had kind of a nice little highlight chunk to show people. I found my research that it actually pained the creators of the special Apollo camera to see the live footage because they knew that their original footage was clear and brighter. And there's so many other theories. There's so many misunderstood details that have used into the world is a little bits of intellectual diarrhea is difficult to pick which claims to. I mean, there's secret navy intelligence space programs to ancient Egyptian astronauts, the financial claims the flat earth bunch. I'm the stuff all over the conspiracy map you want freemasons. They're they're CIA CIA shit for sure men in black cover-ups, political SAS nations hidden technology cover-ups. Yup. It's all there. It's all a big onion of a topic. You can just keep peeling and peeling appealing many moon triggers, I've stumbled upon believe present JFK was assassinated due to his knowledge of secret moon, bases aliens other shit that makes no sense rather than redundantly over all of that. I I wanted to answer two more questions. Why haven't we going back to the moon and does the science community today? Agree that it was for sure possible to travel to the moon. Well, a according to NASA part of the reason we haven't gone back to the moon is a case of been there done that back in two thousand nine John Olson, the director of NASA's expiration systems missions directorate, integration office said there was much more than flags. This is much more than. Flags and footsteps we're going for a sustained human presence in space. They wanna go bigger next time a lot bigger, Chris Hadfield. Former astronaut reasonably backed up to sentiment telling business insider in two thousand eighteen a permanent human research station on the moon is the next logical step. It's only three days away from art. We could afford to get it wrong and not kill everybody. And we have a whole bunch of stuff we have to invent and then test in order to learn before we can go deeper out but a sustained human presence on the moon. We'll be very very very very expensive based on a variety of estimates from variety of super nerdy tech sites. It would cost anywhere from thirty five billion to well, you know, much more than one hundred billion dollars to build a moon base because sustain human life. And then it's going to cost billions and billions and billions of dollars to upkeep it every year. That's a lot of money to get political support for I mean, Trump's controversial border wall, criticized for variety of reasons, but one is expense. It would cost an estimated twenty five billion to build for comparison sake. The Apollo program, by the way. About one hundred and twenty billion in today's dollars. But but we weren't in his nearly as much national debt in nineteen sixty-nine as we are today in nineteen sixty nine we were three hundred fifty four billion dollars in debt our debt to gross domestic product ratio the GDP being the kind of a good overall measurement of the size of of a nation's economy with thirty five percent. That's our debt to GDP ratio. Thirty five percent, you know, our debt equaled thirty five percent of our annual gross domestic product this year. Our debt is approximately twenty two trillion dollars are debt to GDP ratio. Is a scary. One hundred six percent, we have more overall debt, then the gross domestic product for the whole country for a year. Why are we hustling back to the moon were fucking broke were more than broke? We have trillions out on credit cards win. Will we get back? Probably when we have more money, I wanna private company like SpaceX does or when some other country with more money like China. Does it? And finally the scientifically possible. Yes. And it was that's the short answer. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. The long answer. And this is where a lot of conspiracy. I think come from is it's a lot of just high-concept math. You know, a math is above. My pay grade math is above the pay grade of all of these conspiracy theorists. And if it's above yours to just think of this. Why has it one, you know, high profile mathematician or scientists ever said that it was impossible to do ninety six? Why didn't Stephen hawking say before he died? No way. There's no way that could happen. No, one credible has ever said that and that alone should be all the prove a logical person needs people like Alex Jones, David Eick are on one side of this argument, the world's entire scientific community is on the other. It's like I said in the beginning. It's great to have an open mind, but don't open it so wide that you're fucking brain falls out. You know, I in conclusion to me we landed on the fucking moon. The thought that it is hoax has been debunked over and over and over again, a variety of ways, you know, I finished research for the suck last Thursday night here in quarterlane, and as I did as a little late. And it was kind of a nice night out. There was a great big beautiful moon in the sky just one night away from being a full moon. It was so vivid. It almost looks fake. I I could see with my naked eyes. So clearly because he's a lot of the shadows of the craters and such. And I I did have this thought, you know, I thought how sad is it that some people just cannot appreciate its natural beauty. You know, that the thing is something to affairs instrument of mind control instead of the beautiful celestial body that it actually is how sad that the world does truly have so much pain in it so much suffering, and then some of us have to invent even more pain and suffering instead of just, you know, taking a moment staring up at a majestic sunlit orb and let go the rest of the world for a few moments. I stare at the moon. I think that I a little motion actually, do I think the callous others who have started the same wondrous space rock Shakespeare Cleopatra Alexander, the great, you know, kings, and queens mothers and fathers leaders and peasants titans of industry poets painters musicians. You know, Kirk obeying, Chris Cornell there looking at it anyone from a history of ever admired whose blessed with the get the site at one time or another in all likelihood stared the big breathtaking rock in awe and had some special moment so moment when they were living breathing meet sack just like you are right now I stare and I feel connected to humanity. You know, going back to the beginning whenever that was. I think of all those who will live long long after I'm gone who will stare at the same moon. The same moon sailor stared out when they crossed the sea as Vikings Spaniards, you know, or just some elderly couple holding hands on on a cruise, you know, it's fucking beautiful and we've been there how inspiring is that we stepped on the fucking moon. You know, there's meet sack DNA some meat sack DNA infused body. You know was inside of a suit that was walking around on the moon looking out at space in a whole new never be seen way. How incredible what an example of what we can do is a species when we? We point a see powerful minds and brave souls towards the same seemingly impossible goal. We can accomplish what seems impossible. It makes me think about what we can do with enough time and hard work what we can accomplish going forward. But some just can't think that man they can't add to productivity they can't push society forward. Gonna try to hold us back. They got a smugly look up at it and shake their heads and just think Pook dome. Miller happened not real nice try. So why do I do that? Life is short me sacks. Don't diminish what precious little time. You have here by being paranoid. Fucking asshole time now for top five takeaways. Away. Number one. The space race was a huge contributor to monitor analogy. As I mentioned, there are dozens of not hundreds and hundreds of everyday items that enhance our lives that were developed by force base travel for modern medical technology to advance transportation communications equipment and the finest mattress, billions of nine hundred sixty nine dollars combined number two. There are literally dozens of theories regarding moon trickery, we cover several of the obvious ones and a few of the obscure and my favorite is that Nazis launched a shuttle from Antarctica set up a base on the moon and then flew spaceships around the US nineteen fifties. Yeah. Just to fuck with Americans people alive now actually believe, that's terrifying. Number three, the real winner of the space race was humanity. The high stakes contests was east versus west the beginning, but would become a massive step towards human solidarity and cooperation in the end by the end of the moon missions to countries along with other participating nations with tear down their imaginary boundaries, eventually turn space exploration and study into a true international affair that we continue to the we continue to pursue today. Pretty good anyway. Right night. Russians. US, you know, astronauts in the same space station, number four, the astronauts and cosmonauts short history and space where some of the most amazingly capable intelligent humans as a species of ever possibly produced men and women of high integrity and great achievement came together to make the goal of humans walking on multiple celestial bodies a reality. These space heroes. We're so feisty and strong, right? Even over seventy buzz mother, fucking Aldrin was willing to knock a bastard in his face for the space 'cause love so much. A number five new info one are Nasr's most current plans regarding the moon, like what are they really kind of touched on that a little bit ago, you know, and I did say depends on budgetary considerations. But but thoughts are being tossed around. They're pretty cool right now two thousand nineteen just two months ago on Valentine's Day February fourteenth. Jim Breitenstein NASA administrator told reporters he hoped to have asked nonce backup there by two thousand twenty eight NASA currently plans to build a small space station dubbed gateway put it into the moon's orbit by two thousand twenty six it'll serve. As a way station for trips to and from the lunar surface before this man program. This next NASA is also pushing to send scientific instruments and other technological tools to the moon in two thousand twenty Nasr's accelerated plans flesh out of the space policy directive that Trump signed in December two thousand seventeen in envisioning and biz envisioning a return to the moon before manned mission to Mars possibly in the twenty thirties. He also added that the next time they touch down on the lunar surface. The plan is to build a base right saying when we go to the moon, we're actually going to stay. We're not going to leave flags and footprints, then come home and not go back for another fifty years. And I and I bet when that Mace that when that base excuse me when that base someday built humans are actually living on the moon. There will still be other humans living down here who still will not believe we have even ever been there. Away. We did it. We landed on an episode about landing on the moon. I just planted a time so flag in the floor. Suck dungeon tomorrow. Vision fund suck. I hope you liked. It was fascinating to me. A big thanks to the time team. Thanks to the Queen to suck. Lindsey comments high priest is Carney valley Cam. Jesse guardian of grammar donor, Reverend Dr Joe paisley time, suck high priest Alex Dugan. The guy's a bit elixir danger brain axes apparel, thanks to the lily twins, hammers. Pam the knowledge for chicken off the research this week huge. Thanks again to the new full-time suck dungeon employees. Head of research that Flannery for help still need a proper nickname for him. It's gonna come. I can't rush extra special shoes. Thanks to time sucker in space, lizard, Zak Stevens out of Larry lamb, you Wyoming who runs mountain edged design Zach made a custom heavy duty metal in would stand from ipad. So I can hit the segment and intro buttons rights without without a knocking my around. I can do it, you know, much more smoothly. So we can record straight through not have to stop. He made it for the secret suck what where he was a lot of buttons and has been a lifesaver. So thank you back. If you haven't already done, so check out the coal to the curious private Facebook group, a group online over eight thousand members now over two thousand members on discord linked to both in the episode description, and you can also link to discord in the app next week we travel back to New Orleans love it. I wish I was traveling real-life Madame Delphine Lowery born in New Orleans seventeen eighty seven back when it was out New Orleans audience during the whatever during the Spanish, colonial period, del phen-, married. Three times. Louisiana was twice widowed. She maintained her position New Orleans society until April tents eighteen thirty four when rescuers responded to a fire at a Royal street mansion a this mansion walk pass it on a New Orleans ghost tour supposed to be one of the most haunted places in that supposedly very hunted city. It did creep me the hell out and apparently creeped out a lot of owners over the years, nNcholas cage, who can whack doodle actor bought the house talked on Letterman about. How his own family members had no interest in spend the night there. It's not sure if he has been a night there before Bank repossessed it in two thousand nine he'd only bought it seven a lot of people think it's cursed. The mansion has served as a high school music conservatory bar furniture store empty tenement apartment building almost every inhabitant moved out within months or suffered tragedy and death. It supposedly cursed because of a bunch of really really evil shit that Madame del feigns Posey didn't that mansion a long long time ago when rescuers responded to that eighteen thirty four fire they discovered bound slaves in her attic who showed evidence of unbelievably cruel, violent abuse that had happened to them over long. Periods of time. Lotteries house was subsequently then sacked by an outrage mom mob of New Orleans citizens. Think about how bad the abuse had to have been for the public to become outraged over the treatment of slaves in eighteen thirty four for American horror story fans. The incredible actress Kathy Bates, one of my favorite horror actresses of all time misery anyone portrayed a fictionalized version of del phen- in the two thousand thirteen third seed. And also in the two thousand eighteen eight season hearing about lottery on that goes to her in the third season American horror story, what made me move this topic up to to to turn into a suck. It's dark one next week darkened different. I hope you like it. Now, let's get a little lighter. And then emotionally a lot heavier as we dive into this week's possibly tearjerking time sucker updates. In times updates. All right. Well, we'll start off with the non-emotionalist starting off with the Vikings update coming in from Josh house, Tom sucker. Hello nimrod. Hello, Dr sucking ten mixed sucker face. My name is Josh I'm in Indiana, sucker, it only as a few weeks ago, and honorary spaces are. Well, tell of space. I'm also a massive nerd term of endearment for Vikings Norse old Scandinavian history. I wanted to write you about one. And a when I was listening to episode one thirty five Vikings suck yesterday, and you mentioned twice. Vikings worn horned helmets. I know that every other Viking loving sucker, myself included cringed and thought about writing to correct you. I can almost hear their sighs of relief later in the episode. You stated that in fact, the Vikings did not wear any headgear with protruding horns to a two. Yeah. In that combat situation. So I instead I decided to write until you have fan fucking tastic times though kiss. I love every episode. I've heard as well as the secret sauce, and all the awesome features that come with being a space lizard, please keep up what you and the team were doing and keep on. Suck baby. Thanks. Josh you keep on talking, and I did get some other emails about that. The horn mention the sad thing is I mean, I know a correct. But the thing is it was written in my notes in the whole suck. The didn't have horns on the helmets to separate researchers verified that. But but the stereotype of a horned Viking is so seared into my brain that just just forced it back in. I just threw that detail back in. Yeah. Thank you for the kind words and keep on truckin space got another Vikings update from time sucker Ethan Turner, another non-emotional one Ethan, Ethan rights avast, dearest, suck master writing this as I'm listening to the Vikings suck on Monday, which happens to be Wednesday. And I have something to add about the hygiene habits that you talked about the Vikings having when you mentioned the Vikings were considered cleaner. The most folks at the time due to many supposedly bathing at least once a week. You also mentioned that some other European royalty would bathe once a month will history shown that may be a bit of a generous estimate. Well, I'm not one hundred percent sure about the timeframe in many European countries in the medieval era, being nude in any capacity was considered batter. Sinful from the perspective of the church. Okay. So bathing would be avoided at all costs by royalty a fine example being king Louis the fourteenth who's opposing only pay twice in his life. La. Got one guy wanted to be filthy on Queen Isabella of Spain. Brag that she'd only bays twice once when she was born at once when she was married fuck and gross on top of that the way we treat influencers like the Kardashians king or Queen was doing it. Then the folks the bottom considered it, you know, the popular thing to do and actually opted out of bathing themselves as well. An example of this is the king does example of this the king does it. So we should to mentality was when the affirmation king Louis the fourteenth develop an anal fissure, an opening between the anal canal and the external skin on my God. Typically in the pair Neil area. Basically an extra butthole. Many of the lower class men and women alike would bondage there are bandaged their asses and pretend to have an anal fissure themselves because the king had one it's kind of like Kim Kardashian seemed to professionally have an infected on her forehead and kick the band on it teenage girls start putting bandaids on their heads. But enough dirty fun facts level, you do love this community gotten to grow with since the start, and I can't wait to see what are not so little anymore. Colt will go in the near future. May Nimrod bless you every day, Melissa FINA keeper sultry hands from your holy work and Mabel Django stay his keep his jaws away from your mouth neck on keep on sucking. Wow. Man. Such great info you history was so gross. Oftentimes, wasn't it. And thanks to your kind words to bath in a life left Orel sex had been less common back. Then. Right. A that's immediately where my mind goes, or I guess you just get used to the stink and that anal Faucheux that is ridiculous copying at because of the king. How strange can we meet Saxby with strange notions? We have in our heads. Now, a moderately emotion in a very very cool and one of the best updates. I feel like we've ever got this. This is an incredible update. That speaks to the growing power of the colty curious, and it makes my heart. So happy in anonymous sucker wrote, dear master sucked Lord of all his sucks. My name is Ray Taylor. I'm using a fake name. Because the information I'm sharing with you. So this is not the real name and. Grew up in a doomsday cult for most of my life. My parents left their Christian faith, nineteen Ninety-seven and started to follow the current leader of the church. I grew up in in two thousand one a group of ex Christians created this cult it's called and then blank, please share this. When I was seven years old. I was taught our leader was God becoming and at the world is we knew it would end in an apocalypse. If I we believe that it would be a massive natural disaster. But this changed the ideas of nuclear war. Martial law even human zombies. I'm not joking every family had their own gardens and farm animals, and every summer we would can up all the food for survival one day, the us learn how to kill and clean animals, shoot guns and other survival skills. Meanwhile, we were going to public school watching television and having Christmas parties like other normal children. We were told not to tell anyone about what we believed in what we were preparing for. I cannot explain the emotional burden of believing that the entire world was ending and not being able to tell your friends, teachers and other family members about it. But I live this over and over again believing that the next time the world really would end because it can. Sure. Changing the date. My leader was never wrong about the times and dates we were just too selfish or too preoccupied in the world for it to end. It was always our fault. And I believed it I was child, and I believe that was a terrible person for not wanting the world to end when it became an adult all of the youth in my church had left his cult, including my younger, brother. He desperately tried to get me to come with him. But I refused. The time it began to become more intensive on my faith and church responsibilities. I became a teacher for the women in my church began to try to convince others to seek my faith this intensity in secrecy cost me, callous, friendships and my boyfriend, but to me I believed they were turning away from some sort of truth that they would die then December two thousand seventeen. My brother told me to start listening to a podcast called time. Suck created by our favorite comedian. Dan comes I was obsessed immediately in binged almost every episode except the ones about religious cults. My brother implored me to look into these episodes, and I listened and to listen to them with an open mind when I refused. My brother offered to listen to it together. We chose to list. Into the Jonestown massacre. Jim Jones episode. I remember you saying you couldn't understand why these people would continue to follow a man who was so crazed and clearly lying to them. When suddenly my brother stood up and shouted at his iphone? Okay. Will you weren't there? Man. We both looked at each other stunned at this outburst, but then started to laugh hysterically because something had finally clicked for us. But especially for me we had not chosen our childhood because no one gets to choose how they're raised. We had just been part of it. And none of it was our fault at all suddenly had a new way of looking at the world. And I started to think critically if everything I believe in feared my whole life. I spilt everything to my boyfriend who was surprised, but told me he still love me for who. I was and said that I should leave. I came to my leader and told him I did not want to be a teacher anymore than I was leaving the church, he paused and replied casually. I didn't think you'd last this long by parents were devastated when I told him I was leaving our church. But now, luckily, we have come to a healthy understanding that we are different people in want different things. I had let this cold control me for so. Along. But now, I'm pursuing a bachelor's in history. And I love the study Volusia genetics. I'm also planning my wedding for two thousand twenty. And of course, I'm a space in love to spread the word of the suck. I know this is long, but you are willing to give a shoutout. Oh, but are you willing to to give shadow to my brother JR d also fake name? But he will know he's your biggest fan and loves you and has been listening your comedy since he was a child he was only twenty when you last came to our city and wasn't able to see you. So the shoutout would mean so much to him. Thank you for pushing the boundaries and teaching people that the world is bigger than what they believe in. What what they've been taught keep on sucking, especially on colts. You're humble oil space lizard, the real Queen of colts just kidding Lindsey. And then a anonymous NPS I would be happy to answer any questions. You have if you have any will. This is incredible. I'm so happy for you. Thank you for sharing this. And I'm so glad that our co could help you get out of yours. You know, I'm I'm sure, you know, put some strain on the radio with your parents. But you know, I'm glad to hear that. Getting better already and you're going to have such a happier. More filling life. Now, your eyes are open. You can see the real world. The real beauty the world has to offer. There is still so much pain. But at least you can see it for what it really is. Now, you're not just waiting for the end you're living. You're really living hail Nimrod, you beautiful brave soul. Enjoy your new life. And you know, what JR de thank you for not giving up on your sister and forgiven. Her a chance at honest happiness. If film at bojangles he might be kind of like a happy cat right now. I don't know that I've heard him per before. I know dogs could hurt. He's fucking loving it. Keep on sucking get that history degree and enjoy being engaged and and live beautiful life. All right. So that's that's one. Now, a little quick funny pallet cleanser pallet cleanser of an update from time sucker Michael Schmidt, who writes ate their babies fucked. They're dead as I sit at work playing times on my speaker fucking business. This is what place this from the Vikings episode as my coworker approaches to do some more male of a postal worker. So thank you for the awkward stare. Airs I got from my fellow co workers who are now concerned for their safety, haloed, Nimrod and Beaumont fucking jungles. How love it. Yeah. Haloed sorry might serve for the awkward stairs. Now. Cool update. This is another non emotional one. This is before the big motion. This is an update from a Swedish sucker Aline Gustaf Gustafsson or maybe Gustafsson Gustavson may Ellen Gustafson. Elaine writes, all hail, Dr suck aka bojangles footstool, aka older cities. And I'd say it was written into Sweden on a huge fan of yours. I think my neighbors think that there is a funny loud American due to my apartment 'cause I play the pot on speakers. Basically every second I spend awake. They're just finish listening to the Viking episode and just wanted to say hilarious zero offended. We Swedes generally don't have any don't have like a super patriotic culture except for our dear right wing extremists. So we're basically unaffordable in regards to our language and such. That's that's gotta. Be a superpower for you. We don't really like have any beef with Norway and Finland, but we do like to make fun of them. One sane is that Norwegians are descendants of jellyfish and seriously finished, maybe the ugliest most unsexy language ever. And we Swedes are awesome. Okay. Maybe tiny bit patriotic any who's will on stuck in the sweet juice from the teats of knowledge house and go to front several years. I just fucking guest those letters Aline. Thank you lane. I'm glad it makes me happy to hear about being heard in the land of Odin in the land of Thor and LOKI I've been watching the Vikings on Amazon prime by the way, I fucking love it album McAteer land one day. In the meantime, I hope you keep on sucking and keep on caring. They like to do we always from time to time hitting me. And finally another powerful update. The speaks volumes are good. How much good are our growing community. Can do it comes in from Adams? Seltzer the wonderful Canadian father with the hall of fame like fighter of sun. Beautiful. Boy Jacob tear Jerker alert. If you're in a place where you don't wanna cry. I don't I don't think my is going to be a stay dry for this. I didn't last night when I was going over a hate crime, especially when it's recorded, but I gotta share this Adam rights, suck master. I don't know. How you did? It took time and effort and coordination that I cannot. Thank you enough for. I am certain that there are people working for the sucked at help yet a lot, please. Please. Please thank them for me said it before. But I'm truly anonymously blown away by the compassion warm reception. My son's story received from you and your people. Thank you, Dan for the nation for the donations, the care packages, and all the kind of supportive words. Right. We we compiled a bunch of patches. And then sent this for adamant is little boy Jacob. Who's battling cancer? I've enclosed letter that explains. If you thoughts I'd like everyone who helped us to know, if you can please share it how recy- fit, but between you, and I I don't know the future. I have no idea what comes next, and I've learned that I control very little, but I do know two things for sure firstly. I know that someday down the line. I will pay this kind of forward to some other time sucker who needs it a promise? Secondly, I don't know when or where but someday I will stand right in front of you look in the I shake your hand to. Thank you face to face, a promise. Don't let the darker timelines you've done. Make you nervous. I'm not gonna murder you raped or anything. I'm a normal human. You'll be fine. Thank you praise will jingles, Adam. And now here's Adams letter. I was going to quickly civil water. Got to get ready. Got stabilize myself. Atomised, sir. Sometimes it takes the right? Kind of is to see a thing. Even though it is right in front of you the healthy wear crown that only the stick and see this is in quotations years ago. I read that quote somewhere else in my life at a different time when I was a different person. It didn't really resonate with me then now in the hospital hallways nicely and rooms and the long nighttime drives repeats itself in my head over and over a see those crowns, everywhere, it is easy to feel alone during this fight. No immune system means no, crowns, are no crowds. No public areas. No visitors. No backyard firepit with neighboring friends, no social life. No one controlled elements. No spontaneity. No, no, no. You step to the side and watch all that moves past you, you have to ignore it now to focus on the fight. But there are inevitably moments of feeling isolated and disconnected feeling alone. Everything is more difficult. When you are alone pediatric cancer is no different, nurses, and doctors swaggering with their crowns and their advice and their couple minutes of sympathy a week, then they are gone. And it's just you in this awful thing. Alone struggling until one of you gives in it's easy to lose ground. You have no support way too, easy looking closer. However, it would seem that I am a very special kind of. It's because I believe that we are in this fight alone. I don't know how you did. It you sly bastard who. Man. Wow. Man. You have made all the Jesus Christ. I take a second again going to take a little break. We'll take a break through letter. We'll keep talking to a man man, man. I don't know how you do it man with your fucking powerful words never been so emotional outside of your letters and years years Christ. Okay. I don't know how you gather all these amazing people and created this phenomenal care package force. But you did it. We came home from yet. Another draining hospital. Visit only to find two boxes on our front porch. Direct from the fame suck dungeons ship right to our house toys, clothing food, book, stickers, our work and letters beautiful heartfelt unsolicited amazing letters from time suckers in spaces around the USA to support was unbelievable. So many sweet and wonderful people send us a giant care package. Absolutely guaranteed to keep Jacob warm and safe and entertained and supported whatever comes next for us. It is impossible to feel alone. Now for him or for us, a feel like I've had blinders on for months and they've just been ripped off. I thought we were alone struggling for every inch by ourselves. I couldn't have been more wrong. We are putting in the work here at home. But this fight is much bigger than just us. This fight is in Ohio, an Idaho in Iowa and Kentucky and Lansing Michigan. And all to the states all the way down to good old, Texas after we sat and saw every gift and read every letter immediately filled up my new time travel mug with a mixture of coffee and bay. In a ratio known only to me, and we walked to the lake we sat there, and I explain to Jake that we have to do the heavy lifting here at home, but out there on the other side of the lake. Man. Out there on the other side of the lake is an army of time suckers spaces that are watching us and supporting us every day now on our walk. We go to the lake, and we waved all the people on the other side who are in this fight with us. Man. We way because we know that we are not alone. And we wanna live friends to see us and know that we are still here we are still fighting and that we're doing okay. Thank you all of you thousand times over. Thank you hail Nimrod, Adam and Jake random Canadian space, and then also enclosed by Adam or too little pictures, Jake, and he's a fucking handsome, man. He's surrounded by gifts Senate for from time suckers, and all those gifts are helping him Pfeiffer fucking life. Joe Lindsey all cried over this one man harmony and Alexey to how man you keep loving that little boy with all your heart, man. We'll we'll keep them in ours. We're going to we're going to set our our little mental crowns on his perfect little head. And maybe all that love and support will be enough to do what science sometimes can't man, maybe miracles all real. Maybe we're part of this one. I'll fucking hope. So I can't wait to shake your hand. Adam. I hope you're holding Jacob and your other on when you when you when you shake my hand into every time second helped his family. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Van this ride. Stop today. This alone would be worth it. We helped one sucker out of a call. We're helping another not have to fight. Life's hardest fight alone. And actually a matters. Matters more than any jokes or silly characters or any podcasts could. Who've love this community. Thank you for being a part of it special. Thanks to harmony leads you put out of care package together. And making sure it made it to Adam. I mean, lots of lots of big hearts, lots of big hearts working on the suck. And I'll I'll shake your hand down the road, man. Thanks time. Sung miss nine. We all did have a great week. Everybody. Joy a glance of to the moon next time get a chance to beautiful think. Adam little Jacob looking at it. When you do maybe one day sometime suck will walk on it. And if you know that happens take time so sticker up there for me for all the slap it up there. Somewhere hail Nimrod you beautiful bastards and keep on sucking. Man. Adam gave me so many times scammy so many times demotions party really hope that this is all going to be practical joke, it'd be one of the best ones of all time. If after all this he's like man, just found his guys don't even have a kid made you cry so much. My God what a show.

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