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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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10:12 min | 2 years ago

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"A precursor you know like that. He's just going to be creating whatever identity he wants and therefore <hes> like I said that gets you in the door and then people become vulnerable because here's this young lady that does not know who she's meeting <hes> she all she can base it off of is shit information that he provided her right and that's what it is. It's it's not facts. It's shit information. It's stuff he came up with or however he chooses to present himself. One one case that that has in will always fascinate me but I don't care what anybody says out there it would be the chances of it being solved. I think are are so slim slim to none the I'm willing to go and say zero percent here but the Jack The ripper case is one that you know that I I I get wrapped up into it right for a few weeks or a few months. Every year. I get pulled back in. I think I'm out and then they pull me back in but one thing that I've always tried to point out to anybody when you know there's websites and books that you can go to regarding the ripper case where they'll list as many as thirty AH forty maybe even fifty potential suspects but a huge problem that you have with that case is back in the eighteen hundreds even though this was the late eighteen hundreds and a lot of places in this world world. You were whoever you said you were. It wasn't like you had to walk around and show documentation and in three forms of I._D.. If I walked into a an English pub and in eighteen eighty eight and said that I'm John Brown <hes> that's who I was and I could live under that assumed name for a long period of time in a sense. That's similar to what we're looking at here. It's he's on the Internet who knows what what websites are howl that they connected at any point but in a sense he he could have just been whoever he said he was to her or to anybody else all south there one also like I mean this with social media. It's not even just meet up sites but you hashtag something. So you start working out you hashtag fitness. Whatever people start falling you others <unk> several people that I follow online or they follow me online and we don't know each other <hes>? I'm not meeting up this person. I'm not going to meet up with this percent three A._M.. <hes> that is risky behavior. You know if you are meet up with somebody that you haven't met even like with online dating. It's like meet at a public place. You know meet up with friends. What's so wrong with that but I think we have kind of two things going on now we have you know who people think we are in real life and our friends and family and Blah Blah Blah and then we have this this other world who <hes> online and that too many times is actually kept a secret from the real world and <hes> I'm sure now that they have her <unk> her phone and they have or they're able to get into these social networks <hes> that the police were able to find other things that they're connected with but it it's a cautionary tale? You need you know if you're speaking with people in line and you plan on meeting them. Maybe tell some people you know well and the other thing too is it's very obvious whatever was going on there that the to the McKenzie and Agi did not have the same understanding of what that meeting was four okay. There's you know McKenzie did didn't know what this guy had planned and had no clue who this guy was and when we say that that law enforcement has not released how they believed the two were connected or what the motive for these crimes were were. It may just be as simple as this individual gye is a a sadist is a homicidal maniac and that he was a budding serial killer. I think the everything points to that and that is the the motive is he's an evil individual and he was looking to kill somebody and he was looking to kill a woman in my opinion and and we can say look there some connection to the victim and the murderer but in a sense what he's doing is he's trying to go out there and secure a stranger because we all know that stranger on stranger crimes are very difficult for investigate well. It's like yeah it's like Bruce Mc Arthur up in Canada right the same type of thing but in S- you know it's very similar to Dahmer <hes> similar to me as well just a different different method of securing a stranger. Who's going to be your victim who might back back in the day like you said you can walk into a bar? Who are you you John Brown? You can be whoever the freak you WanNa be right and now you can do that online so it's it's a it's a place for predators predators and you have to be careful and and I can't say this enough that everybody needs to be on the understanding that there's always going to be a motive when there's a female involve and when the when there's a female victim Jaja like you said you don't have to look too far to figure out what the motive possibly was and you gotta be careful. You have to protect protect yourself. You have to tell your friends what's going on you. GotTa tell people who you're talking to and if you if you think this guy is cute and you WanNa meet up with him say hey we're going to bring a couple of my friends. You bring a couple of your friends meet up at a bar if they don't WanNa do ah screw not worth your time well and remember when we interviewed John Douglas what he was saying is in his opinion most of these guys when he's saying these guys he's referring to do serial offenders and serial killers. He is interviewed real pieces of. He says he says in his opinion what most of these guys want is to be able to hold their victim captive for a long period at a time and most of the time they the result is murder because they don't have that ability or cannot do that for whatever reason right this is no different than what we saw with the Jamie Kloss case yeah where she was held captive for a long period of time. That's what Ajayi was attempting to do with the secret soundproof room accessed only by a thumbprint lock and hooks on the walls above above head height so it's he's. He's a scary scary individual. That was apprehended not early enough. It's it's a little I mean it's very disturbing and I wish he really would have got brought up on charges of of rape. I don't know what what fully made that case fall apart but I just worry that even if he would have done some time for that he would have come out and picked up where he left off. Yeah he had agenda that agenda was going to happen and I hope they are strongly looking into this guy's background and his his whereabouts and if he has it could be connected to do anything else because what little we know about this guy is very scary. The the the attempting of building the secret room the abduction of a young woman well again then the concealing going through all that effort to conceal the remains yeah yeah well and that's a big thing somehow. This guy manipulated his way into a situation where he's meeting somebody that for for all we know this is the first time they met at a park very late at night and she's GonNa get into his car. He can control that situation her body than found pretty far from his property. You wonder and like you said discarding of some of the evidence he's Kinda. Wonder is like this his first time right and that's why I say I I think you're onto something there and I hope that they really look strongly into his background and if he is currently talking see what else you can get him to talk about yeah and I I have a little suggestion I think they should make a little room and put hooks a little bit higher than head height. Stick him on the hooks. Get him talking. Maybe can confess to something he did prior prior or some of the sick thoughts he's been having and this guy should never be let out of jail no he. He is somebody that regardless of if he's done or been guilty of anything before what took place last month he's somebody that should never ever be at a prison. This guy will always be.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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13:13 min | 2 years ago

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"All right cheers cheers captain. Well the Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown said in a news conference that he was quote relieved and grief-stricken to report the McKenzie. Luke's body was recovered. This was in Logan Canyon about eighty five to ninety miles north of Salt Lake City north of love property as well and investigators were subsequently able to forensically confirm that it was the body of Mackenzie loic she from the very brief descriptions I can find <hes> of course there was some evidence that the body or portions of the body headed tempted to been burned at some point and her her hands were found bound behind her are tied behind her so it's what's unclear here is if in fact Ajayi led them to this location because it seems to be quite a ways away from the space that they were looking at but we do know that he was arrested. We do know that they found her body. It would seem to me that they probably turn the screws on him and they were able to get him to bring forth some information shen he was also eventually charged with desecration of a body. This may have this charge may have been added after in fact finding her body. He is currently being held without bail. I couldn't find find a price for his his bond. It looks like they're not going to let that even be an option here for this case while this is so recent that they're still developments happening as we speak. There was developments yesterday yes. This was his first court appearance where he appeared via video he was still located in the jail and he was not required to give a plea or actually say anything during that court proceeding it. It's it's a little confusing as to what's going on. I mean this was just yesterday that he had his first court appearance. We also don't have information regarding because police have not released a motive for the killing right. I think you know you and I having done this for a long time in in listeners listening to the show you you don't have to doesn't take a great imagination to come up with a possible motive here but they've also not released how the two first came into contact with each other because this wasn't as you said this wasn't Mackenzie Lou act she went win. Clinton was jogging in a park and Ajayi grabbed her up in abducted her she was going to this hatch park to meet with him so there was some type of relationship friendship or something thing going on there for her to meet him in the park that night and it wasn't something that she was sharing with her friends or family because again per police statements to the public there they were unaware right that there was any type of reason for her to know this thirty one year old man where where I think we this this this is terrible to say because this is such a horrible thing for her family and such a tragedy and just really a horrific individual that carried out whatever took place uh-huh but in some way I really strongly feel that the there has been a bullet that has been dodged here and I say that because of some information formation that came out regarding gye this was from a contractor Aja apparently hired a contractor to come out to his house into look at a space that he wanted to who have outfitted he wanted this space to be a soundproof secret room and within this soundproof secret room he wanted hooks and the contractor actor says these hooks were he wanted them above head height is were his words. The contractor found all this to be very strange in in in weird and it really didn't want any any part of it so the contractor was smart enough to ask some questions you know what is the secret room for who needs a secret room to which Ajayi explains that he says I I need a room to hide alcohol booze and wine from my girlfriend who's very religious and the contractor wanted zero sense well. I don't know that it makes zero sense but it doesn't go along along with a secret room of those soundproof right right. I don't mind the secret room. What have a problem with is when you go yeah? I just want to put some booze. Maybe some weed in there is to hide it. It's a bad lie that he had to come up with the soundproof. Yes it's the sound proof. Bottles aren't down there going. He's drinking US depends on how much you're drinking. He wanted one of those <hes> thumbprint locks on the outside so so only a he could enter it so think about that for a say thumbprint lock. That's that's not like that's so one hundred percent like oh I can't accidentally leave the key lying around and somebody stumble into this room or I can't accidentally yeah right down the combination in somebody discover the combination and decide that they're going to go and access this room this is they're going to have to have my thumb <hes> to get into this soundproof secret room. The other horrible terrifying thing to think about too is the the hooks the he wanted as for me. That's for the meat. He wanted them place above what the contractor said was head height so the contractor says will what the hell are you going to use these these hooks for two which Gye explains. Could you imagine being this guy being the contractor. Oh man I mean I want some hooks <hes>. <hes> we're at a little bit above head height well we we just talked on off the record this week about the the company that was going to come out and clean a car and they find a bunch of blood in the car. Yeah you know it's it. It's this weird weird thing. <hes> a JI- so regarding the hooks the the contractors like look these hooks look terrible one and two. I don't know why anybody would need them to be this height. So what the hell are these hooks for and he says that he wants to hang wine racks on the hooks so he can put you know wine bottles on the wine rack the contractor this this seems seems to be like the deal breaker where they lied and said that's for meets. She doesn't eat meat either. I gotTA hide the meat well this. This seems to be the deal breaker for the contractor because I'm of course he says he suspicious and weirded out by this whole whole project to begin with but when he here when he hears Oh you want to use the hooks for wine racks the contractor just as look instead of putting up these hooks. I'll just put wine racks up for you to which is like now. I'm going to get the hooks and then I'll do the wine racks myself and so the contractor turns down the job he's like. I don't want any part of whatever this is that's going on. It sounds to me like this took place months ago. Oh Okay Yeah but hold on a second Giannis right. That's how you say his name Gye Gye you know he had s j <hes> <hes> he had fuck Gye was married at one point and his ex wife claims that he slashed her with a knife but also states here that Ajayi he's home was a airbnb since two thousand sixteen yeah into into which oddly enough he is quoted as being a an intelligent respectful nice host for the airbnb as he I mean that's <hes> that makes me never wanna stay in Airbnb ever again unless they want to sponsor some episodes and then I'll say differently but <hes> he offered accommodations nations in the basement of his home <hes> Oh right next Friday next door to the soundproof wine room well and he had a he did have a roommate for some time as well and I believe this was after his marriage marriage. I wonder regarding his the rape allegations. If that's why the marriage fell apart or if there was abuse or other things going on right with within that whole scenario. I don't know it's it's it's. He's a weird individual and a scary individual and that's why I say I think they're even though we have this horrible tragedy and it sands me to my core. What happened with this young young woman who had her whole life ahead of her? This was a promising young lady. You know she was doing a lot of the right things. She maintained a close relationship with her parents and grandparents even living in another state right. This was a good girl and even though this ended in tragedy and horribly in as I said it sands me to my core. A bullet was dodged in the sense that this guy in my opinion. I know that these are just started. These are just alleged charges at this point. You know these are just charges. He's not actually been found guilty. He looks really fricking guilty to me and I'm sure that everybody else out there. This was a budding serial killer her. This was just like you said early stages. This is what this guy I think was pursuing is doesn't mean it was the first one either we we don't know that's a very good point. He got he got this guy setting himself up but put beheld. Let's do a AIRBNB in my homeless. Let's set up this. <hes> you know secret room that soundproof <hes> you know he's on a lot of these meet up sites to is he the on these meet up sites and that's the look cautionary tale surprise surprise anybody can be whoever they want to be online <hes> and he has a bunch of pictures where he is <hes> and his army uniforms and and so what's strange is. I don't know if he how much he did in the army. Well you know what I should be clear here. I'm looking through my notes in it and and I do have is says after several months of service. I don't know what that means because I have other sources saying that he was never trained that he never technically did anything right for the National Guard so I I don't don't know exactly what that means but yeah you're right the pictures of him in his his uniform. Well think about this. You got this guy that is telling you hey <hes> on one site. He's saying I'm a gym rat. I I was in the army right. I'm <hes> above guy. I'm <hes> y'know. I'm a writer. <hes> just these simple things that that you can put out there her on these dating sites or meet up sites the an all you have to do is be able to come up with a couple decent lies and then you just have to come up with some decent pictures to back up some of those lies and that's Kinda enough to get your foot in the door that gets you texting somebody and and I think that's kind of what he did. I mean look he has self published book on Amazon called for a forged identity.

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"Enforcement. Was We believe that his home his property is the nexus of this case is where her where this missing person's case is going to lead us and we believe not only do we. We believe we should get a warrant for their. We believe we're gonNA find something of significance there right which they do they found within the ashes of whatever he was burning. They found some of her like remains remains of some of her belongings as well as some some flesh remains from McKenzie which they do the proper testing on this and they confirm very quickly through D._N._A.. That that whatever those remains were came from McKenzie Loic right so who is this this Gye guy. Who is this creep well? He's not he's. He's not one hundred percent unknown to law enforcement. He's somebody that has been accused of rape in the past. Although the charges were dropped a JI- joined the Army National Guard but apparently never attended any type of training so even though he signed up he was never really he never joined he defined right right. That's the wording that should be used. They're kind of like mean gym memberships at after this he started studying Computer Pewter Science at Utah State University but never graduated according to the college records that are provided to this newspaper that I'm reading from the the thing here is his life really really takes a turn and this is in two thousand fourteen when he a lot of people that study computer their lives take turns well. This is when he became the suspect and a rape investigation and this is from the North Park Police Department. The investigation itself was halted. It was dropped because eventually this woman decided to not press charges. I've seen some sources that say say that he that Ajayi was not allowed on the campus for either months or years after the fact right I don't know how that plays into that whole scenario but that could one hundred percent play into him not ever graduating from the school right according to the Salt Lake Tribune Giannis linked in profile indicated that he worked in I._T.. For companies like Dell and Microsoft or soft- <hes> his account has since been deactivated so I it seems to me like he was working in tech support or I._T.. Some form of that at the time of of this case he's also an author publishing a crime novel called forge identity this he published last year and according to good reads the novel is about a man drawn to crime after witnessing gruesome murders at age fifteen. Do not anybody go out and buy that book I think you can there are ways to purchase that book online but <hes> let's not. Let's not give this guy okay anything credit for anything at all because we're GONNA learn that this is a terrible terrible individual. He is because what they found on his property. He is arrested and placed in custody regarding these items in this evidence when they arrest them are they charging him with McKinsey's murderer and Gye has been charged with aggravated murder aggravated kidnapping and obstruction of justice so other than this as evidence I guess in his firepit <hes> well okay so there's a couple of things going on there. From the different sources that I pulled some sources indicate that there was there was ground around that was freshly dug. I don't know if these items were burned and then placed in the ground or you know partially placed in the ground sometimes people berry ashes or place them elsewhere it. It feels like that that these items that they collected may have come from that ground and or his burn site. Let's call it his his fire pit out on his backyard so he tried to burn stuff remove it from whatever fire pit and then bury it correct and there's a lot more to learn about this sick individual. We'll.

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14:16 min | 2 years ago

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"In the trailer there that is Fox News Thirteen out of UTAH. This story was was and remains big news. This is the missing person's case of McKenzie Luek and as you heard there just after one week detectives and Salt Lake have what looks to be some promising leads and an interesting wasting time line McKinsey Luek was born in Elsa Gunda California and nineteen ninety five she grew up there with three brothers and her parents are Greg Diana Luek. She attended Elsa Gundel High School and played on the water polo team. After high school. She went off to the University of Utah where she studied nursing and other studies. She's a member of the Alpha Chi Omega sorority she worked for some time at a starbucks bucks and then at another coffee shop but per her linked in account she more recently was working at P.. R. A. Health Sciences LAB IN MILL CREEK UTAH. Even though she was living in another state and busy with her studies and worked she maintained a very close relationship with her parents and both sets of grandparents sadly last month. Funeral services were held in California four McKenzie's grandmother for for this she flew home after a brief stay. She returned to Utah the night of June sixteenth. She took a Redeye flight from Los Angeles to Salt Lake City arriving in Salt Lake at one thirty five A._M.. In Salt Lake she text her mother at to a one A._M.. Letting her know that she arrived safely. She waited to collect her luggage from the baggage claim and then using the lift APP she scheduled a ride to pick kerr up at the airport. There are security cameras everywhere in the airport and she can be seen texting waiting on her bags and walking through the airport at no time. is she seen talking to anyone. The lift vehicle picks her up at the airport at two forty two A._M.. Now we know twenty-three-year-old Mackenzie Luek is later reported as missing and unfortunately this is really starting to sound like a terrible terrible tragedy like so many stories that we have heard before you know recent stories of young women getting into a vehicle from a car service and then going missing. You know we've seen this movie before and unfortunately we know. Oh how it's going to end in ending is a bad one but very quickly we can move on from that theory because we get news that the Salt Lake City P._d.. They start looking into Mackenzie's life and her Internet and Social Media Activity digital detectives sifting through data. We learn a few very very important key elements to this case one and law enforcement they know who the lift driver is and they speak with this driver and two there's evidence to suggest that Mackenzie was delivered by the lift driver to a location of her choosing using and arrived at this location unharmed would have that data from the lift driver to let us know where her final destination was. <hes> yes so from the information collected through her phone and the lift APP and the eyewitness statements given to police from the lift driver. Here is what we learn. McKenzie did not schedule for the car service to take her home. She requested a drop off at Hatch Park. Mark this is this location is in North Salt Lake City and located twenty minutes from Mckenzie's home which is near Trolley Square. She arrived at Hatch Park at two fifty nine A._M.. The lift driver says Mackenzie was very obviously she was meeting someone there right now as far as I could find the lift drivers identity has not been released. I think in the beginning of this whole thing that may they have thrown some more suspicion in the public's eye toward the driver but the driver tells police Mackenzie was meeting someone and whoever it was Mackenzie got into that other car willingly the description of the vehicle of the person or persons she was meeting is re reported as unavailable but it could just be that the lift driver was unable to provide one to law enforcement. You'd think you'd at least it's now what kind of car she got into whether or not even what brand of car but Mike was it a sedan was S._U._V. Yeah he he or she. The driver probably gave a very vague description would be my I guess they're they're looking to move on to their next drive looking to pick up their next fair great but again through information hold on your meeting people at a park. This is not a normal drop off. You know most of the time people you're picking somebody up from the airport may be driving them to their car <hes> picking somebody up from the airport driving them back to their house. You're probably we're talking about probably a very small percent that at three o'clock in the morning is picking picking up a young female and driving her to a park to meet somebody. I guess yet incredibly small if not zero this might be the first of its kind right again through information deduced from data on McKenzie's phone. We learn even more after texting her parents after she arrived in Salt Lake City Mackenzie was texting someone else she's texting thirty one year old Ola Agi and the police quickly figure out that both McKenzie's phone and giants phone our Ping in are in close proximity and their location is both hatch park. This is at three three A._M.. On June seventeenth two thousand and nineteen I'd so this gives us some evidence that she's texting one this individual but to this is probably the person that she's GonNa meet up with. Yes <hes> police speak with Ajayi and going into this they know he was communicating via tax and likely through other means as well with Mackenzie. AJA does not deny communications with Mackenzie however he says he last ask texted her at six P._M.. The investigators have different information proof. That Mackenzie Texted Gye at two fifty eight A._M.. Now remember per lift. She was dropped off at two fifty nine. Am just just one minute after that text and her phone and giants phone are in very close proximity and in Hatch Park at three M so bribe disobey devil's advocate she's dexing him to do. Do they have evidence that he's texting her back after six P._M.. <hes> that I don't know the only thing that I could find reported was that she text Gye at two fifty eight A._M.. And again it's it's no coincidence. There's no no defense here. It's it's she's texting him and then one minute later she's dropped off and both their phones are enhanced park read that time so this is where you go okay we might have got him moment but now it's the problem here that they're going to run into and they don't arrest Ajayi after talking with him and we'll get into that in a bit but the other thing here that we we need to go through is what law enforcement knows that took place shortly after Mackenzie arrived at Hatch Park at some point her phone is turned off and once police started looking for Mackenzie they announced that they had no known activity from her regarding <unk> her cell phone or Internet as they put it. Her cell phone is not ringing no calls no email no social media nothing right just like we heard in the trailer they have former Salt Salt Lake City police chief talking there and what he's saying is at this time in the investigation. Yes she is missing but the question is is she in danger right so we have evidence that her phone is obviously there. Are we have evidence from the lift driver that he took her to the park but once that phone is turned off. We're not GONNA get any more pangs now from her so what what they are looking for. At this point point in the investigation they very publicly say this. They're saying hey look not only do we need your help in locating this missing individual but we would like to know if anybody out there is aware of her having a second cell phone on that that we are unaware of right or if she has some social media accounts that we are currently unaware of or if there's anything that she would have under a different name regarding internet or social media but again the problem here is very simply this that at that state in the investigation yes mackenzie is missing but is she in fact endanger because police are very very suspicious of this guy that they've talked to but Mackenzie missing is technically not a crime without evidence that she was abducted. There's really no crime to charge this man with but that's not going to stop law enforcement from getting a search warrant to search this man's home and property by Don like Mackenzie went running in the park and would just never seen her. She's adult choose a meeting another adult. She has every right to do so she has every right to turn off her phone. So who knows where she that <hes> and the thing here too is they don't really understand they being law enforcement. They can't get any confirmation confirmation from anybody. In Mackenzie's close life of why she would be speaking to this man that they that law enforcement is suspicious of they don't know what the connection is between the two two of them while you're gonNA find this more more with social media. There's a lot of people have kind of like pin pals online friends online but you might not know each other in person I think so. We have a bunch of reasons here why they're able to get this search warrant fairly easily. It looks like it's probably for a multitude of reasons but of those some quick ones to point out is first first. Ajayi story is not lining up with the facts that law enforcement know to be true regarding this whole time line right remember his texting time line is significantly off from what he's telling them to what they can prove what they can see on paper. So are they able to go. I I don't know the answer. Maybe are they able to go to a judge and say we have evidence that this this individual was texting. I've seen this other individual and when we asked them about it they're they are lying is that does that give them some kind of probable cause exactly that's exactly what it gives them there. They are going to get probable cause search warrant art for this man's property now keep in mind whatever they've released to the public is probably a much shorter version of what they know and what they're holding onto where you ask if did did a text her after the time that he said that they last communicated right. They know that if he did or did not they've just not. They're not choosing to release that information that money. He did his store yeah his this story is very plain and simple the last time I text with her with six P._M.. The day before and they what they have released publicly is they're saying to fifty eight A._M.. She text you. Oh right so that's your stories off there to begin with but then on top of that this is what's even more disturbing is they have neighbors of his that come forward word and they say he was out burning something in his backyard on June seventeenth and June eighteenth and using gasoline to burn whatever it was that that he was burning and on top of that they he also so denied knowing what Mackenzie even looked like and denies viewing her social media profile picture but they found at least one of those photos on his phone. His neighbors are coming out and saying 'cause she goes missing the early the morning of June seventeenth neighbors come out and say he's burning something on June seventeenth and eighteenth yes in his backyard using gasoline so it's with that information probably with some more for information that we are unaware of that they are able to secure this probable cause warrant to search his home and property. They don't make any buts about it. I think that the words that they used they they being law enforcement. Was We believe that his home his property is the nexus of this case is where her where.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on True Crime Garage

True Crime Garage

03:22 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Is free and we are on there so go and get that now that is enough the business. Everybody gathered around grab a chair grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. The family of Mackenzie Luek has issued issued a statement. A police are also providing new details about the last time that University of Utah Senior was Seen Fox thirteenth. Matt McDonald is live at Hatch Park in North Salt Lake tonight to explain Matt. What can you tell us why can tell you this attach park behind me is where Mackenzie Luek has to be taken and was dropped off by her lift driver one week ago tonight now after looking at surveillance video from the area and talking to that lift driver police believe she met someone there at three o'clock o'clock in the morning one thirty five A._M.? June seventeenth Luke's plight arrives in Salt Lake City. She'd been in California for a family funeral early Monday morning the seventeenth of June when she texted her mother at Tula you WanNa A._M.. Mountain time for more than an hour. She remained at the airport where surveillance cameras are everywhere. We reviewed that tape and we have we know we're not going to release that right now at two forty two A._M.. Mackenzie got got into a car to fifty nine in the morning she arrived at a requested Destination Hatch Park in North Salt Lake detectives spoken with the lift driver and learned that Mackenzie was met at Hatch Park by an individual in a vehicle police believe she met with the person at the park willingly the making the model of the car has not been determined from here Mackenzie disappeared Mackenzie have an alternate phone that she is used or is using who did Mackenzie meet in North Salt Lake City Mackenzie heavy social media accounts. We don't know about one more question. Police are trying to answer. Does she want to be found. She has no obligation to call the police department or anyone else and say here's where I went. Crisper Bank is a former salt lake city police chief cheap. He says police are doing the right thing culling Luek missing but not necessarily endanger in the circumstance it would certainly be tragic if this young woman is in fact in danger and we didn't do enough late this afternoon. The Luek family issued a statement reads impart. Our primary goal is to find Mackenzie and bring her home. Her family is grateful for the concern prayers in the tireless efforts of the Salt Lake City police and members of the community Salt Lake City police have is that a dedicated tip line just for this case you can find that phone number on our website McDonnell Fox Thirteen News Utah Man. Thank you as we just mentioned Mackenzie. Luek is a senior at the University of Utah a spokesperson for the school. All says the U. is deeply concerned about her well. Being the dean of students of the university has been in contact with her parents and has expressed our desired cysts to the campus community for her safe return and offering whatever support we can Nelson went on to say the university is cooperating with police. The school is also offering counseling students and staff who may need someone to talk to.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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Utah police say they have found body of slain college student Mackenzie Lueck

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00:31 sec | 2 years ago

Utah police say they have found body of slain college student Mackenzie Lueck

"A body recovered in Utah is that of murdered college student mackenzie Lewis police in Salt Lake City say her remains were found in Logan canyon about eighty miles away from where she died mackenzie was from the Los Angeles area but attended college at the university of Utah she had just returned to Salt Lake City after attending her grandmother's funeral in California police say she caught a ride from the airport to a nearby park where she met with the suspect that fox is Christina Coleman formal charges are expected to be filed next

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on 106.1 FM WTKK

106.1 FM WTKK

01:31 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on 106.1 FM WTKK

"To include the controversial question on the next population count fighting very hard against the system that's a very difficult system what will make a decision last week the Supreme Court blocked the administration's efforts to add the question for the time being sending the issue back to lower courts critics say such question would result in under reporting of migrants and minorities Utah police say the body of a slain college student has been recovered some of the remains of twenty three year old mackenzie look were found in her murder suspect Salt Lake City yard last week her body was found in a canyon area of just over eighty miles from the city she disappeared on June seventeenth after returning from a trip from her California home town Chicago police say three people were stabbed more than a dozen injured in a stampede at the city's navy pier this came after a crowd of people thought fire works with the sound of gunshots sporting to police what happened is after the organize fireworks display about people continued lighting off firecrackers and police now say with a member of the private security team at navy pier who mistook that for gun fire the active shooter protocol was initiated and that sparked the pan pan police now say was seventeen people were injured in the paddock most of the injuries were due to traveling one person was impaled in the legacy ran into an overturned table that added to the chaos because officers initially thought he had a gunshot wound fox's Mike to open in Chicago strong aftershocks continue rumbling through the Mojave Desert after yesterday's magnitude six point four earthquake that hit near the southern California town of ridge quest.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

Best Case Worst Case

11:33 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

"Maybe start recording victims bit of additional writes in this in these types of cases well you're absolutely right bobby said a key word there and that was balance let's end it is what is lacking in the system and as a prosecutor i saw it all the time and child abuse in rape cases in these sexual assault cases against adults and children the defense attorneys runamuck they're allowed to attack the credibility of the victims to try to destroy their reputation in the in the press in the public arena first and then they're allowed to go into the courtroom and intimidate harassed and harangue in these children and these women and men making these allegations and you're right defend is of course have a right to a vigorous defense a an advocate who stand up for them i get in respect that but at some point we have lost are way when women and children are afraid to come forward because the system will seldom and there's example of this week bobby in fact i might have read about it today where a young man a young college age man was convicted of some kind of sexual assault it might have been raped i'm sorry i don't recall all the details but the judge said that he was giving him some slap on the wrist because he was from a good family what the hell does that have to do what the crime that he committed but it is that kind of example that women and children and men see and so they say to themselves why would i want to put myself through it if that's gonna be the result of the ultimate arbiter of the system the judge i think there's a lot of judges out there the bail victims 'em and i i am i am a firm believer the judges have way too much discretion in the courtroom in in a the sentencing phase when i was coming up as a young age and working narcotics cases in new york in the mid eighties you know i would benefactor of the sentencing guidelines which are very strict and took a lot of discussion out of the hands of judges and judges spent a lotta time and effort in defeating goes and have defeated them and the sentencing guidelines no longer exist the way i worked under them and i can tell you that a lot of the very violent gang members and i was able to take off the streets in the eighties and nineties in new york city i was able to do because of the sentencing guidelines of because they were so strict and they were a you know the judges did not have the discretion of of of of letting people uneasy sentences and i'd like to see some kind of sentencing guidelines you know for sex crimes like this end where the judges how much less discretion about you know about these things and and unfortunately that's that's a hard road the whole because the judge very influential in defense attorneys are very influential and they don't want you don't want these sentencing guidelines district and the discretion of the judges no i agree with that completely robbing a lot of people today and i don't mean to get into politics and this is not a partisan issue for me but both parties are talking a lot about what they call criminal justice reform but what that really means is in my opinion is leniency for criminal it certainly doesn't mean making it easier for victims to come forward or making the past testimony end to real justice easier for victims so i don't consider to be criminal justice reform i consider it to be people bragging about leniency for those who victimize others and i never support sure i think the more the defense bar is certainly a much more powerful institution the victims rights movement in this country in 'em and not as long as that imbalance a is is in effect than and you know the defense bar in an end criminals a who they represent a well how how will have the power in in how those new laws are passed and an end in defeating any kind of attempt to get a stricter a sentencing guidelines in place you know i'll ask you this fancy as a prosecutor 'cause i am i went to law school but i certainly didn't prosecute and i certainly wasn't that reno but while i had other areas of all that has specialized in but 'em in this this particular case with this particular legit perpetrator in his background we know all the one situation that we already spoke up and former coworker said he forced me have non consensual sex with him in we have his ex wife said i left him because i feared for my life in this particular case will be jury be able to hear people like that a to talk about this person you know violent past yeah that's a great question bobby being of course it depends on the jurisdiction every state has a different a different law on what are called similar transactions or or evidence presented that a defendant acted in a similar way to conduct in the pack california for example is very pro defendant on this it's very difficult to get that kind of evidence in front of the jury georgia my own home state is the opposite it's pretty easy to get that kind of evidence in front of the jury and i fear but in this case in particular this is so horrifying even say but in this case in particular when you have a young woman who it looks like was murdered and then her body burned i do not think absentee confession or or some other kind of very relevant dna evidence like i don't mean to be gross but seeming i don't think they're going to be able to prove if in whether he sexually assaulted her until my fear is that that sexual assault claim by the prior co worker will definitely be considered irrelevant because there is no evidence that it is quote similar perhaps the wife will be able to testify about violence but boy again judges in this country country tend to bend over backwards to make sure the defendants rights are ultimately protected even to the detriment of justice and any victim a writer satisfaction and so it will not surprise me none of that evidence get in front of me alternate jerry body you know this is this is a frustration i think a lot of people face because they we stuck on the newspaper they see it on tv and they realize there's a story here there's a story we're talking about a potential monster that has history in part of the story is they ex wife saying that she feared for her life part of the story is vx coworker who said he had forced me to have nonconsensual sex part of the story is the contractor who said this guy wanted me to build a concrete soundproof bunker which which would thumbprint access control this leads me as investigator and that is works here akilah cases to think this this individual was eight psychopathic potential serial killer an in sexual a you know rapists and murderers in all of those things be ex wife the former coworker the contractor they add to that story that i think a jury should be entitled here here when they allegation is he potentially sexually molested her sexually violated are sexually raped her and then murdered her that's those three individuals tell any part of that story that we all know now that a jury being tunnel tunnel well it's a great point bobby i one hundred percent agree with you but i suspect my best guess is that at least two out of three of those stories will never be put in front of the jury the contractor i do not think will be allowed to be a that will be allowed to testify i do not think the colleagues it says he sexually assaulted her will be allowed to testify potentially be ex wife because of aid violent a allegation but i won't be surprised if she also can't testify defy because ultimately bobby and i think this is a flaw in the system isn't about who he is it should be but it's about what he did exactly that he's charged with you know he's not charged with making a murderer room we can't really prove it was a murder room we all know it everyone understand it but we can't prove it and there's no charge about it so i do think that again i don't get on my soapbox but criminal justice reform to me in a lot broader then what anyone is talking about and we all ought to be talking to our elected representatives are elected deejays are elected judges about making the system more real and more fair for everyone not just the defendants i i hear you and i understand like you know having been to law school and graduated from law school i get due process and i do understand that but you know you know we both work with jim clemente famed profiler and you know in in being on the gyms jim's twodimensional last few years you know i've really come to learn about behavior and how it informs what we do so i understand that a child on these particular charges might not be about who he is but what he did but who he is austin informs what he did m n and so you know they're not bringing that those behavioral things about the person's pass because we say it's just about what he did today on this particular night but you know what a person's past indicates cates who they are and what they might do you know again you know i get frustrated with a system that does not allow a jury to know and individual because sometimes you know especially when the crime is so heinous and we i can't even imagine a human being doing this right and then when we know the defending these cases comes in and they get shaved and they get a haircut and they get a suit on they don't look like a monster that might be able to do this until the jury only here's this monstrous monstrous crime and looks at this person that doesn't look like a monster but in his past he has many behavioral instances that indicate or point towards him being a monster that the jury never hears about all they she is the guy that comes in with a clean hair cut and clean shaven face and the nice suit and they don't get the here about his past all of these other incidents where you know that point to the fact that he could have in fact committed such a heinous act and the jury nocturnal that is a real warner that's really well said bobby and i really appreciate you coming in on the fourth of july to talk to me about this worst case scenario and i sir i know you agree with me we both hope that mackenzie lewitt find peace wherever she is in the justice truth justice is meted out to her vendor sooner rather than later on welfare proper i went from when i absolutely thank you bob before joining me on this edition of best case worst case worst case scenario and everyone thank you for tuning in on this holiday week and.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

Best Case Worst Case

11:46 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

"A little bit about the next steps and investigation that led to the tragic knowledge that mackenzie a has been murdered and you know you talked earlier about her cell phone in finding out who in her life might have been nyu which led police to this man who we will not name on this podcast but led police to this offender an they discovered the communication between between them an they discovered that his cell phone was at the park at the same time hers was end then when police confronted him he denied even knowing her or knowing what she looked like how would that struck you bobby ali if that was your case well it would have struck me very suspicious number one because i you know i would look at a park like that at three am and say this to people in this park at three am or at least their phones are both in this park at three am they're probably together 'em end particularly when he denied knowing her knowing even what you look like i believe they even found they photo of her in his possession so right away you know he's lying to you m you know that ratchets up is is a you know his are suspicions of ham bright right of way way way high end so i'm sure the police right away were on him as a main suspect in this case well and then once they got turned onto this offender as a suspect aspects in the case they naturally went to his house and canvas his neighbors what what is that experience like bobby what is the goal there when you have a missing woman you have no idea missing young woman you have no idea where she has what's happening what do you care what really happened in a can't you know really we used to call it a neighborhood we let's do a neighborhood and it's really it's really what you see is what everybody would think and what you see on tv show it just pounding the pavement it's it's it's knocking on doors it's asking people you know have you seen anything different adamy ordinary suspicious you know what what has been going on in your neighborhood when i used to work in new york city a lot i work gangs that were pretty predominant in a particular neighborhood 'em you know some of be older residents in the neighborhood who were clearly were tired but still there and sat out on their porch everyday and just watch the world go by you know everybody that came in when they used in everybody's business because they just were observers rivers they would just they would just sit there and let the rest of the rising watching their neighborhood they knew who came and went and so you know those are very good predictors of what's happening in a particular neighborhood and so you'd literally go door to door knock knock on doors and in toco people while you're there and just talk to people and a lot of people resist spinner hesitant to talk and a lot of people either protective of their neighbors are fearful of the neighbors in but if you've talked to enough people in the neighborhood and that's why volume and this is is important you talked to enough people you start getting a general sense of the happenings in that neighborhood in who's who wouldn't watch widen and what's happening in this particular case a you know we the police knew the date of her disappearance and the day after the neighbors say the gentleman that they were looking at this monster a this alleged perpetrator 'em with burning something in his backyard on the day after she disappeared on the next day and so you know there again there's another reason to increase are suspicious of this suspect well of course i mean that that's obviously a massive red flag and i'm certain that at that point the law enforcement said burning something in a in combination nation with the disappearance of this young woman they must have feared for her life one of the things happening at the same time bobby that i thought was fantastic was from the standpoint of sort of sit isn't awareness and participation in the investigation and you had once this offender was named a person of interest before his arrest but once you his name a person of interest after they learned of the burning a man came forward a contractor came forward and talked about this contract track that he offender was asking him to fulfill inside his house he talked about that a little yeah so very interesting this gentleman sees the suspect on tv and he says i know that guy that guy initially calls the police and he says i know that guy on the tv actually he actually tried the contract me for some services and a police say what did he want you to do and they said he wanted me the bill they sound through bunker below his porch soundproof bunker concrete bunker below his porch she said it was for wine cellar 'em but he asked for it to be outfitted with eight some trent 'em access control in some kind of big high substantial hooks up embedded in the concrete way up high like above had level so when the contract asked him why he would need these big ugly hooks you know anchor the way above had level he said it was the hang his wine racks and the contractor basic responded by saying oh i could fashion much nicer wine rack see you know out is big over hooks aaron until the contractors said he basically had a really bad feeling about this guy an an and it was really weird the requests he was making for this is basically concrete bunker 'em soundproof by the way most wine cellars don't have to be soundproof per say 'em in so he didn't do the job he walked away from this guy into what this guy's there's something wrong with him and i i won't do business with them and lo and behold a you know a couple of months later he's looking at the news and he sees the same guy you know being brought in handcuffs on central murder case so he called recordings intelligible robbers well and i just have to congratulate that contractor and say that he is eight perfect example of listening to instincts an acting on a lot of times we listen to our instincts we hear what her instincts were telling us and then we ignore them this guy did not ignore his instinct and imagine how he would have felt bobby if he had built that what is probably he was probably originally designed in a torture chamber of some kind or detention chamber assam guide if he had built that and then discovered that it was being used by this killer yeah unfortunately he might not found out for many years and after many victims because i think you're exactly right i think that's exactly what this individual is going to use that for well and we talked a little bit earlier about forensics and so then another sort of grin happening in this case was that of course police heard from the neighbors about the burning and they took samples of whatever was left of the material that had been burned and they discovered that it was human dna in further but it was mccann these dna yeah that's you know this should they it what i mentioned earlier this would be traditional type of forensic work they did eight eight forensic a excavation of that burn pit and a you know and then that's a very meticulous process it takes time and a but in this particular case it wasn't that big a pit and so they were able to excavate identify her dna and some of her belongings i believe you know at the same time this is happening there's you know investigations have multiple a multitude too many tentacles out there and show at the same time they're looking into this gentleman's background and they find his ex wife and they find a former co worker who are indicating that he has some behavioral a history that would leave you believe that he could person yeah and that's another a terrible tragedy about this tale is that one of his co workers came forward after a knee arrest and said that this offender had sexually assaulted her in the past and she had the courage which i just so admire she had the courage to go forward to the police and report the conduct but she declined to press charges for reasons that i don't you know i don't know i don't understand but i respect i understand it's a very personal decision and i am in no way do i blamed the woman for not wanting to go for we see it all the time in courtrooms around the world including recent famous case in ireland of a gang rape where juries blame the victim and they're dragged through the mud their reputation is in tatters end in the end the jury almost well a lot of times a jury won't convince someone rape it's a very difficult charge it make are prosecuted many of myself and they are they're very difficult cases to win for victims so i understand her reluctance but i just wanna point out to our listeners in order to catch people like this in order to make sure they don't have the opportunity to offending and other people we is society half the not only agree that these people should be prosecuted we should be pressing charges but we as potential members of the jury half the stop victim shaming end blaming victims end seems so reluctant to accept evidence i'm not jim and i had lots of we had lots of podcast episodes on this earlier we were talking about the whole me too movement and believe women and i do not think thank you automatically believe a woman making an allegation but what i think is important is we don't disbelieve them that we do listen to what they're saying try together at whatever evidence is possible and make it reason decision and i swear i just think juries are a reluctant they're just were locked in to convey men of rape and i cannot understand why i really don't yeah i mean it's it's unfortunate is worthy unfortunate history of this country we haven't treated this type of crime the crime of rape serious as it should be and certainly we in in the past i mean in in in the recent past in in my lifetime it wasn't it wasn't treated as a very seriously at all on it you know i could think back to two times when a man was convicted of raping got a three year sentence on you know and so i i still think some of that happens in some places and and and i think it's it's terrific i think it's changing but it's it's changing indian far too slowly and you know when you say the jury's blame and i know that they do but my mind always clicks immediately to you know there were some defense attorney telling that jury to blame that victim and you know i understand that you know under our constitution defendants are are are allowed to have the most vigorous defense of their rights but i think that we need to start looking at you know defense attorneys and how we allow them to attack a victim and i think that there should be some steps taken on you know and it could be anything from you know pretrial hearings to you know other things we we have to protect the victims we all we have to protect the system and the defendants rights i understand we also have to build the system and change the system in some ways that protects the victims more when they come into the system when they testify or they gave a statement 'em in in you know when you have a reluctance like the woman in this case to to actually free file charges that's a reflection of the system that's reflection of her her concern that the system will not protect her not a it's not gonna be worth her filing those charges because of lack of support you will get from this system system and so i think we'll take a hard look and balanced due process where you know victims rights and.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

Best Case Worst Case

01:48 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

Best Case Worst Case

03:29 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

"In using technology to living your life and to and to do the things you want a wave and you're like the end because you do that is not mean you somehow a you know part you know part of of of the blame a in things in bad things will happen to you in coming across the psychopath a cause of psychopaths uses a dating site the find you does not mean you were wrong and using a dating site it's just a psychopath used it that's that's that's all there is to it there's no you know there's there's no blame to be had in in using a dating site the psychopath as a cycle that that's who's to blame you happen to used a dating site maybe find her i dunno that will come out 'em but if he did even if he did that's not that's not a faulty you got signed it just isn't an end to indicate that it is and say well because they used a dating site somehow they are partly responsible is absolutely horrendous well it is and body it's one of the things that a gym client in i my co host on the podcast generally what we train and teach you about all the time when we were talking to kids especially kids in middle and high school about not meeting people off line that they don't know an kids do it and get themselves in the same kind of trouble and you know it's sort of shocking we we just think to ourselves oh well once you're in college once you're twenty twenty one or twenty two you're smarter than that but it's still happening you know you meet someone online and then you meet them off an in my opinion that is a risk that has to be mitigated i do not suggest in any way that people shouldn't use dating after shouldn't meet people they don't know but if gonna meet someone that you don't know you need to take necessary precautions someone needs to know where you're going someone needs to know who you're west and i think the first timer the second time in the third time that you meet someone that you don't know you should be doing these things in a public place well yeah i agree i you know i you know i like i said i have two sisters and growing up with them in a in a cop that you know we were always we're always told to you know make those types of decisions an end to make yourself less likely to be the target of a criminal and my dad wasn't expert at spotting criminally did then why pd detective for many many years decades and so he knew about how to take steps to lessen your chances now obviously like i said earlier everybody is prone to being a victim there is no one hundred percent solution but there are steps you can take in our behaviors you can engage in that will lower that risk in certainly like a in this particular case now the dating app aside i wouldn't advise meeting someone put the very first time a at a park at three am in the morning and so you know now that is not in any way to blame the victim in this case it isn't just a psychopath was hunting people hunting women out and i think that we should more look in a case like this and lessons learned at how we stop a perpetrator like this what he did because they worst signpost that this guy was a powder keg get this guy was eight it predator an end the system didn't pick up on it and and so that's the conversation not lessons learned.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

Best Case Worst Case

14:12 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on Best Case Worst Case

"What your hello and welcome to best case worst case this is worst case scenario is you're host france he hates former state and federal prosecutor and i'm joined today by a very special guest to discuss a very difficult topic with me and my guest is robert you're gone returnable bureaus bobby i just wanna say thank you so much for joining me everybody i know you are listening to this on friday air after that but we're recording on the fourth of july body has taken his time away from backyard barbecues and friends and beer and god knows what else they helped me record this worst case scenario so thank you bobby orr come from a recent grid from running our i know we did it was very scary i'm in atlanta girl and we had an earthquake this morning here in southern california we lay were i dunno a hundred miles or something from the epicenter but the building where i lives was swaying in shaking end 'em i would actually show spooked by it then i went outside that i thought to myself you know now's a good time to get the hell out of here you know is one of those weird things my dog's noticed the first i looked at them they were acting we're one of random in the closet and then i felt so they they they must have open joe shortly before the yeah they're like an alert system yeah well thank you for joining us in spite of fourth of july and earthquakes bobby this is such a difficult it's a cold case i wanna talk to you about today especially given your background in not only an f b i agent in general investigations but also evidence gathering because i think this case has been so important in front of it injury standpoint so let's jump right into the first round talk about the disappearance of college student utah state university student mackenzie lewitt she went missing a couple of weeks ago and it was reported that the last contact packed friend her family had with her was at about one thirty in the morning salt lake city time after she landed at the salt lake airport from a funeral family funeral and she texted her mom to say that she arrived and then boom she vanishes russia's so i think it's really significant i love to talk to you as an f b i agent about if this was your case if you get a call in the middle of the night a you know or probably early the next morning friends and family of said mackenzie is not showing up where she's supposed to be me hey start an investigation like that when he only information you have is you know college students slide in salt lake city and never makes it home what do you do we don't know we all carrier show cones and they do actually become like a defacto tracking device or us end so yes she was last seen last known to be at that air at the salt lake city airport she had arrived from los angeles 'em that night in when they they were able to track her cell phone and it went to aid park park i believe in salt lake city and then you know they were able to i used properly her left account to realize that she had gotten into eight lift vehicle on the ride service vehicle an on they got a hold of the driver of that because you know the lift app tracks all that stuff as well and so they were able to determine that in fact the driver did drive her the act which is where you know so it confirmed the digital evidence of her cell phone bank in that park and then they had a human being test saying but i did drive or two that are in fact i saw her get into a vehicle with another person in it she seemed to be fine she didn't seem upset upset or nervous or anything so now we have eight somewhat mysterious a part of her journey because her family and friends did not know anything about this particular part of her trip and so right off the bat detectives have what looks like something the follow up on why did she get into that let them take it to that particular park who did you meet what what car whose car did she get into that is all outside of her normal routine and so that's what you look for when someone goes missing in the last few minutes and hours where they were seen did they depart from in normal routine in the normal life well i'm bobby one of the interesting things about this case i so admire her mackenzie louis because i think you can judge people often by their friends and in almost immediately mckenzie's friends came forward because the first the first claim by everyone including police understandably is gonna be are you sure she's just not off voluntarily with someone perhaps she's had a date her she's going away for the weekend and she just didn't tell anyone in her friend immediately came forward and said that is not something she would have done she would have contacted one of us or her family there's no way she would just go off turn off her cell phone and not make contact contact and i think t that's the most difficult part for you guys as law enforcement to figure out whether because a lot of times missing person do turn up they have just gone off and so how do you know what we which one you have yeah we talked to family and friends and you have to talk to a number of them because oftentimes people when someone goes missing they want to you know think the best they want to maybe not say something like him this person who's done this before and i so if you talk to a number of them family members and friends and you get pretty unanimous opinion that no this is way out of any ordinary this person this is not something they would normally do they would not disappear for overnight and not you know not contact anyone they would not turn off their phones because of phone wasn't fact turned off it wasn't receiving any data and so you know when you get that kind of unanimous opinion from all family and friends are really quickly you start to determined and that this is probably there's probably some possibly fell apart work well and then obviously because as you said a matter of really in this case i think technology you know in the old days i don't know what on earth law enforcement would have done on but today not only cell phone data but like cameras people's you know we see it all the time ring doorbell or other kinds of a video doorbell systems are video surveillance systems you could buy these little cameras were you know forty dollars and will a hook them up and cheer why fi and you're good to go until police really have to engage in a combination of technology hunting an old fashioned footwork it that sounds like a lot of work to me not all of that took place in this case and later on well we'll talk about how deep the traditional forensic work took place but but sure early on this is an electronic world we're living in had she got into an unmarked no matter on mark but the yellow cam as many of us used to do from an airport 'em you know they might not have been that that connection from that salt lake city airport the hutch park and they wouldn't have had that driver identified 'em if she paid cash i used to pay cash in new york city when i there you know in taxes all the time there's no wreckage of that 'em half the time if you left and item of a personal item in there you it was really hard to track down a but nowadays with left and went to bring all these ridesharing apps people having their phone it it benefits you because recor the way you're gone you're rocket the driver if you love something in the vehicle you could get it back and things like that and in this case you know that was that was crucial to to find out you know you know because of her last known scene was in salt lake city airport but then no now we know rational point was in half and so that's a significant development in the case well in poverty other interesting thing i just wanna say a plug you know there is that recent that disappearance and then murder of the young woman who got into a car that was not be over that she had called and so there's all sorts of a potential safety protocols being implemented by who were you know lighted signed in of course you're supposed to make sure they know you're name before you get in at cetera but when it comes to i'm out here in an alley a lot by myself i take a lot of hoover i've met i haven't taken a list but i know they're very similar i almost always and i certainly will always try to share my ride with someone someone it's usually my husband but it could be any friend i've shared by ride before with my sister just to let someone know that i'm in uber and where i'm going and even if they're not getting it you know right then 'cause maybe they're asleep they'll be able track where i'm supposed to be sure that is very prudent i mean a generation ago i was raised by a father who is in new york city police detective in you know he taught my two sisters are member him giving one of my sister lecture when she forgot her first job teenager in the local shopping mall and when the when her store manager told her don't talk with the customers park park as far away as you can in the parking lot way across the parking lot so the customers could park closer to the store my father said don't do that you know are close close to the store under a light or something comes in a couple of hours when you come out and it's dark you're gonna forget that you park all the way across the parking lot and you're gonna be you're by yourself walking to a car in the dark and so you know little tips like that in in now in a new age in a new electronic age a tip like that would be just what you mentioned will share your ride with someone so people just have to start getting attuned to this digital age because the criminal element is so adaptive it can really take advantage of technology just like technology we take advantage of that technology to make life more convenient an easier so do the criminals out there in in a multitude of ways will use technology to carry out that crime so so we so just be aware of these things in in in the small steps you can take to you know narrowed down you're you're 'em no chance of being in in a bad situation well it's risk mitigation you know and it's funny because it's it's one of those things when i do share my ride i don't know whether the driver knows i share my ride but i feel like from now on i wanna tell the driver oh i've just shared my ride with my friend her my husband and my boggling that they know someone is tracking you sure sure yeah and and you know hopefully they they teach some of these things in schools on how to be safer online and things like that because you know my dad used to talk to my sister's about being you know you know if you look at a victim pools you know criminologists will talk about victim pools and you know if you can keep yourself you know from being in the larger victim poll put yourself in a smaller pool an an end so it's harder for these things now nobody's immune to crime everybody's a potential victim but there are steps you can take to lower that risk and so in the digital world there are different steps you could take a new just highlighted one yeah until speaking of digital this case start it off investigation with lots lots of digital evidence but then the digital forensic trail left by her accounts on her phone and of course as you know bobby having been a trained f b i agent one of the first things we do when someone's under arrest is check their phones who were they talking to what their potential criminal circle and the same thing applies really in a victim case so water water law enforcement doing at this point they tracker to the park they've cleared the lift driver ever which i remember hearing very early on in the investigation and being surprised by so i suspected there were cameras corroborated his story that she got out of his car into someone else's but that was you know potentially not identifiable so so then they got her online accounts what did that help them gail well you know what you're trying to do now is because you talk to her family and friends and you know that there's been a departure from her normal routine you start to look at as as anyone else come into her life recently that may have something to do with this change in routine so are there any new friends are there any new you know telephone call telephone calls into of course in this case i believe they got they they they saw i phone call of the day or two before maybe even the day up with this individual that they that her friends are apparently were not familiar and so you know there's a leader right there she was in contact with someone that was a new front or new acquaintance renew contact something new in her life and that's a big leading the case well before we get to that the league that 'em that they pursued let's talk a little bit about dating apps because while mackenzie was missing there was information that came out that she was on different kinds of dating apps and i was really disturbed just see that there was all most at or in some cases right over into victim blaming where they're saying that because of the kind of apps she was on her because of the what we would have called in the old days risky behavior and she was engaging in that somehow whatever has happened to her is her fault and i think that is just appalling that people i mean it's of course the social media age but i think it's appalling that people take that tack while a young woman is missing and potentially fighting for her life somewhere you know there was no there was no a doubt about it there was blatant victim shaming in this case i think one writer obviously and deservedly so got fired up a posting some really disgusting a victim blaming cokes on twitter or something and it's it's just horrific you know it's it's the worst of the worst when we see social media you like this that there were no one responsible for this murder accept the murder on so you know technology has made her life's more convenient easier and there's no faulty late.

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"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on 790 KABC

790 KABC

01:30 min | 2 years ago

"mackenzie lueck" Discussed on 790 KABC

"Counsel at first liberty institute. We'll talk about two major supreme court decisions yesterday. This is the Ben Shapiro show. Seven. KABC news, live and local. It's five thirty. I'm Liz Warner. Utah man has been arrested on suspicion of killing a young woman from El Segundo and burning her body in his backyard Twenty-three-year-old MacKenzie look went missing June seventeenth after flying back to Utah from the Southland correspondent Scott McLean, has details on how the suspects neighbors helped law enforcement. They also realize from neighbors that the suspect had been burning something behind the home that she also said that in interviews with them that the suspect claimed he couldn't tell MacKenzie, Luke. He didn't know what she looked like. But that belief had evidence already that was not true. Fourth of July. Fireworks are about to go on sale, and parents need to use. Caution in Orange County. Officials showed off graphic pictures of burned faces damaged is in charge hands, all the results of dangerous fireworks. Generally speaking fireworks fall into two categories safe insane and dangerous. OC Undersheriff, Bob. Peterson says those safe and sane fireworks are only legal in certain cities, the big fireworks, think aerial mortars are totally illegal, but even legal options like sparklers.

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Arrest made in case of missing Utah woman Mackenzie Lueck

Ben Shapiro

00:35 sec | 2 years ago

Arrest made in case of missing Utah woman Mackenzie Lueck

"Warner. Utah man has been arrested on suspicion of killing a young woman from El Segundo and burning her body in his backyard Twenty-three-year-old MacKenzie look went missing June seventeenth after flying back to Utah from the Southland correspondent Scott McLean, has details on how the suspects neighbors helped law enforcement. They also realize from neighbors that the suspect had been burning something behind the home that she also said that in interviews with them that the suspect claimed he couldn't tell MacKenzie, Luke. He didn't know what she looked like. But that belief had evidence already that was

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