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Boston Celtics center Enes Kanter

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Boston Celtics center Enes Kanter

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DOT COM APP APP download it today and find your local stations or radio dot com sports originals connect with your favorite teams on the free radio DOT COM APP and visible. It's a little forty eight hour senior. NBA Writer for bleacher report. We're back baby summer's over vacations over. I liked vacation. Spend some good time in the mountains. Miss it already New York is crazy is always <hes>. NBA is almost back training camps roping in three weeks and my guest today today we'll be making his debut in on Media Day or in training camp with the Boston Celtics and his cancer heart Surkov man. How would you guys doing. I'm doing great. Thank you for coming back. We last saw you here in January. That was cute teams ago times. That was crazy times that was right around the time that you were. We're having to go to London because of various threats on your life <hes> and all the insanity that went with that so good to see you back under things in honor slightly calmer circumstances at the moment right yeah yeah you can say that. Yeah Yeah Yeah No. I'm sure it's never quite calm because is this your your your outspokenness and activism and the static then everything it goes with that politically. I think that the probably follows you wherever you are Portland Boston but you're here. You're in New York even working out. I mean as near my my American home home. Come here every off season and just hang out here. I know a lot of people here big Turkish community so it's fun to just come here and to spend your <hes> <hes> summarize I love. I love the summertime yeah so you've been here the whole off season. No do do jump traveling a lot because all the basketball camps stuff but most sorta mommy okay yes but did you have priorities coming into this. You had to get healthy first right. I mean separated shoulder game five Mr Adams. Oh man each other and hit each other and then I separated my shoulder. They took me to the locker room. They're like hey. What do you WANNA do like as game in five minutes over the shot. I went out there and play but then I'm like me and my shoulder terrible. I couldn't see it for three months three months. You must have going to sleep on it. Wow how is it now is way better. Almost on a percent didn't need any surgery anything known as so surgery just razzing Aston just to do some you know just just like some ice it and strength this ought. I I did not know so just takes and no no limitations during your off season workout so you so what's your Rossi's workout been about a guys often in the off season. You know either gaining fifteen pounds of muscle lose fifty pounds of fat or <hes> shooting shooting like ten thousand day. What's which boxer you checking well so so right off the season right. It was like crazy for me so right. After the season I took like forty forty-five days off and I actually gained over twenty pounds. I every offseason saw mommy mom my mother's used to it so again over over twenty pounds and and now all back to my play. I was closer to seventy five number unlike between two fifty to fifty five. Is that your right deal way always to fifty to fifty five and the Celtics have any particular <hes> requests or go along that line or is that they're fine with. That's where they want. Celtics maybe two three days. That's it okay because I've been so busy shoveling everywhere I I taught him. Sometimes they might have mediocre. Come over Celtics practice little bit worker workout little with the guys but I'm like a leader yeah. It's my first or second season. I got my going to nine seasons. I'll be there you oh you know the the the as I do yeah so was there anything in particular you want to accomplish this summer in terms of the off season training or your game well. Another league is changing engine a lot obviously and then now people are especially the big message. You don't really see back to basketball players anymore now everybody UCLA almost eight about such shooting threes <music> and put the ball on the floor that I'm that that's what my my main man focused. This summer should a lot of threes trying to put the ball on the floor and then if I if I feel like if fewer team meeting of course give you confidence and then I remember media there with Cambe dineen sitting next right so he said you know that the three point shot is now for decoration how Mike Okay say no more. I got you so that was the green light from the moment. They introduced you yes. I'm my I'm <music>. I'm confidence like I'm GonNa taking threes. You might as well say it now because a media day you're going to have to come up with that number of how many threes you shop per day or whatever because that's what we do in training everybody trots out so how many how many threes per day at least one third to two hundred. It's not enough to two hundred tries Mace Ace. George Mason makes me sad that you're shooting at the percentage. Well I mean I'm I'm good at provoke Roy Moore but I don't really I'm not against anybody but I'm just even if you play pick up some time you got so much confident because I mean you not is nice now real by when the game time hits and that's what matters but I I think if your team is in your give you confidence. I think I'm good with it. Is that the most you've ever worked on your three point shot. Yes this summer yeah because I'm like Doug. I said again now. The League is changing a lot. You gotta be able to do both yeah no I. I looked up early because I was thinking you know you're you're replacing Horford. Who Obviously it became a pretty proficient three point shot Hans career career. You've taken you how many three pointers you've taken in your MBA career officially. Just regular season only not even know you haven't made fifty you've taken over fifth. You've you've taken one hundred and forty-three threes okay and you've made forty two of them forty two of them. It's not terrible. It's not bad shoot them at all. Thirty seventy percent thirty percents <hes>. I'm looking up right now because I don't want to ninety four. I mean look for a big man for a central yeah. I should have been taking three yeah of course yeah so I'm GONNA sit. There should have more women. Even guys talked to coach Brad. He's like hey pop enrollment because last thirteen everybody was popping even Baynes. Everybody was popping now. He told me mix it up. Pub Brawl feel see what the game is going. See what we need a legitimate okay yeah <hes> every time you know a guy changes teams or a team change sometimes around him. Whenever there's everything's different stage of guys career. You're twenty seven now. How many years in our you're going to my ninth year. Utah was that's your your rookie in the League. You're finding your way a you end up in Oklahoma. You're on some fantastic there. You make the conference finals. You guys are like this close to making the finals then there was the Knicks ah the blazers was a really nice moment for you because those those fans embraced you. That team embraced you. You guys make a deep run. You get back into the conference. Finals again is not by the warriors. What what is this Boston phase going to be about four years. I think it's going to be very very special very excited about it obviously can buy it was a might ahead. Jeff Class is definitely a game changer and I will put like Apple. Put some of the players like like Dame Russ and also uptick candidate to those are the type of player that make themselves better and make everybody better run and this will make them really special and I think obviously for Jalen <hes> and Jason Tatum Adam is the limit is obviously all star so I feel like we have a really special young talent but I think I feel we can beat every team on every every quarter. August have to stay together <hes> one willing to learn and just go out and have fun and that's very important to bring positive energy and <hes>. I think we're going to bring that a lot this year. I don't think they had a lot of positive energy last season Attanasio could you when you're an opponent. Can you tell this stuff. You're on the court and you only saw them. Probably what maybe twice once or maybe three times because I don't know where the schedule broke between Portland next time but you probably didn't see the Celtics I remember member I we came to. Td Garden play against them with was with Portland. You could tell yeah you could definitely tell and it was just I mean amazing. Players was just not there if they're not cleaned. The chemistry wasn't there but I think this is definitely going to change is a body language like what are you pick up on as an opponent opponent when you're seeing another team and you go you know what those guys are messed up to just. I I was talking to see how they talk to each other how they H. treated each other. We got ours like we got him. I told my team is in a second or third. Koros that we got this game is over because they were just I think it would. I don't WanNA give any names but each other stuff okay. We got them and then we end up. I was up by thirty one point and then they came back but I think we wanted game yeah. It was a really interesting thing I was one of those people who before last season. I thought the I thought the Celtics like that was going to be their year. I thought they were sixty. Plus win team. That's what I taught so. I promise it's weird that way right. I think we all underestimate and and I'd like I've been around long enough. I don't underestimate it but I think we sometimes forget in the moment. How Important Chemistry is that. Look this talent on paper in sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't you can't always predict it ahead of time there was every reason to believe the celtics powerhouse last season and and no reason to think it was. GonNa end the way it did so you're coming in. Kemba comes in the structure of that same basic core of the young guys as their you know <hes> Brown tatum Gordon Hayward in another year removed now <hes> from the injury the talent it looks like is there but people are looking at these right now and you've. I'm sure you've heard it's Milwaukee and Philly Philly Milwaukee. That's the discussion can make the case for why the Celtics are in there. I feel like I said I've definitely we can show shock. The thing like I said again for us. The talent is there. That's why so important to be be a good locker room guy because after a lust after a bag game saw so it matters how you act to other deteriorate your teammates and it does matter how you GonNa just move on and just start thinking about the next game so I think for me wanting we did with Casey when we went to the western conference finals end with potent too. We lost some games but we were just. We got a really good guys. Unlock my words over so so quick so I think that's all being a lot chroma. Be The glue guy is having a very important. I think people people sometimes aren't sure what to make of you in that regard because you are you're not only just outspoken politically with regards to your home country Turkey. You're spoken about your role to when things started to go south with you in the Knicks the the sense I got was that because the nick I think we might have talked about this. In January. The Knicks are like allergic to controversy they they do not like and they're allergic to people being individuals. They don't like people speaking out. They don't like people being opinion but you did you. You're pretty public about when you weren't happy with your role so I think if people want to be skeptical so how's Ns Kanter Gawker room guy in Portland because or excuse me in Boston because we saw what happened with New York where he was kind of carping about his role. What's what's the response there well. I think the one who I had no problem with my teammates. I was so cool with my team. Is I had a conversation with the but I hi Ambassador Basketball player going to compete okay. I'm going to try to win no matter what that is in my blood. I'M GONNA go out. There doesn't matter we have off thirty wins and we have zero. I'm my job is a god their charter win as much as I can and if somewhat I'm not telling you to do this but if someone telling me the opposite uh I'm not gonNA listen to my job is to go out there. Play as hard as I can because all this you know defense paying so much money to come the would come through gardens of pack every game even really expense very expressive right so like that's why hello my problem was. I guess I wanted to win and some some of the things that just didn't make sense because they told me I'm too old to play and I was twenty six. I'm like that does that makes us even an NBA years. That's not to twenty six. They bring a guy even like four or five years older than me. They're playing him like this doesn't make sense. I haven't so we had some you know some stuff going on with the next but you know I'm I wish him the best yeah you were. You were not unhappy to have been cut loosen to find a new home at that stage. Now I was very happy because I'm evoked out for both auditing because they were going to a different direction they were going to younger and then I will. It worked out for me. Yeah well me the Western Conference finals. Yeah worked out spectacularly for you. I don't want to dwell too long on New York with me. Just finish it with this when they got you. A lot of it was well. If they kept you do you were you were one of those expiring contracts right. We're going to be a big summer for them. Clear this Catherine right didn't quite work out. You're old. You're old. Kevin Durant did not come. Kyrie serving <hes> ended up across the river with Katie and there's they brought a bunch of really good. You know veterans. I mean you know Taj Gibson and you know you're. Ah Julius randle young vet who still on the way up bobby portis still has some element to go. There's you know they. They got some solid guys but they didn't get that one flare that makes it make sense the guy who's like your fulcrum that everything works around. What do you think is going when you look at who didn't come and we're the knicks. Are you're and you. You've had you had some time there. You got some sense of of the organization. Can you sum up where you think this franchises and why it doesn't seem like a desirable arrival destination right now. The scene of many people know that the players talk for play from the different teams talk and then I mean I'm I'm not blaming antibiotic. I had an amazing time with with an ace but whoever teammate that I talked with which have a bearing on different teams. They always said amazing amazing. CD MSG amazing everything so good but ownership they will just go just keep saying but on the ship but don't WanNA shift so I was like I I don't always get game like hey the knicks amazing. You know there's is the garden mccaw. I mean if you win in Knicks you or the King of the world but they were just just keep saying but the ownership so the some of the players you know just are just I guess scared to even just come here and just don't WanNa deal whittle Pinkas. I mean I. I'm not saying that. Some of the players are saying that hey if you the first thirty games if you win you win but if you if you lose after the Thirty Games using on a bench not playing enter the season so I'm like I I was like I was always trying to give other teams. Hey is amazing organization. Good people around you know just all that stuff but they will always that one question about ownership yeah no and that is you know obviously it's certainly the impression here in. New York and I think most of us kind of understand that what's held the Knicks bag over the last twenty years is mostly about leadership and that goes all the way up to ownership and it starts there <hes> obviously still a lot of turnover at the GM level at the coaching level everything else and it makes it hard to build continuity and consistency but as a player. Do you even see that on a day-to-day basis like can you if a team is dysfunctional. I my belief is that most dysfunctional franchises it's because they have a bad owner and I certainly think that's the case with the Knicks but at the player level how how does that come across like how do you do you feel that or is it just more. Is it just more of the chatter chatter or can you actually tell a database like yeah. I can now see why this team has been stuck for a while. I can tell yes I want to aww you too much like the players will replace guessing locker room and talk about what what's going on and <hes> <hes> we always like the players always see how the the management or how the ownership treat other players trade. <hes> you know the people around so. I'm like I always say if the Knicks are listening. I was trying to give them every player. Hey Nixon amazing team crazy fans. MSG is amazing. Just come here. If you win here. You're the king but <hes> I guess that again. People some a lot of the people's a lot of cases. We gotta flying who wrote this note we do that. We find the killer. 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I'll follow gridiron and watch new episodes on the B our APP because Dame Lillard over the last yeah. We already know what he can do. As as a player and his playoff run the blazers just had such a fun posts so much fun and dame was obviously massive massive part of that but we hear these stories all the time about what a great leader he is how positive he is how inclusive he is and he's a true leader not just you know we always point to the best player on Tatum Star and say well that guy's the leader and not everybody's built that way they might be built that way in terms of talent but not in personality. GimMe your sense of it was a short period of their but what did did you see from Dame yourself that that showed you that that element of the three months that I experienced so potent. I understand why I've wide whole franchise franchise building Ron Dane not just a go player his his character his personality his be good teammate always try to look for young young guys and everything that's why you may. He's definitely special and <hes> I mean you see a lot of the players always want to go to big franchises is is one of the bigger cities and everything is like this is my home and I'm going to stay there forever and they just just playing playing with him. He he just feel so always. When are we just have so much confidence how he talks obvious confidence to his teammates before the game have a treatise the young guys. I street the coaches and everything it's just it's very fond of play but in my head of less yeah and it was I feel like a kind of an important moment for you when you when the Knicks cut you loose the chatter from Knicks fans and from a lot of other people not a lot of people but especially here in New York it it was whatever and carry put these numbers you guess he's double double of it but you know defensively liability all that you've probably heard a a little bit but you go to Portland and you play a critical role there <hes> for a team that made the coverage files and the Greenwich. Your minutes were little down the conference finals but you know you're planning opponent goes. It was a small the time not not a great match up for you. You're critical to them getting to that point and I think force people to kind of reassess again that well you know listen. Everyone's got holes in their game. There are guys were all defense no offense. There are superstars in this league who played very little value. Uh and those guys will get a little bit of a pass but his canter will will not on that was it was a gratifying for you in that regard that people had to at least kind of reevaluate that hey listen maybe he's not perfect. Maybe can work on a couple of things but but in his canter can be viewed as a winning player again after that run and that was the thing that cannot play play. Can you probably know all that stuff. I was like wanted to go out. There was like you know what it is. It's playoffs just want to go out there and everything you have ending one day. I remember Russell told everybody else defensible about trust and communication so when I was with Portland was playing this that also level guys and I was trust in them and they made me feel so comfortable and give me more confident on the core solo like I just feel I mean I didn't really change anything on defense. Whatever were just helping me even more so I was helping them. They were helping me. I would just you know and it was playoff games. You lose you go home so I think for me was just more about trust a semi t maze Marlboro confident and comfortably yeah and having the players around you who gives you that confidence are supporting when you have your family makes it easier to be a better defensive player better teammate than play with Moee play with chief you play with. Cj and dame all the guys and it was just that and then in Turkish we lost them to but our state is if he had neuro 'cause you could've championship yeah yeah. I think so if they had they might not have picked you up while what I was there so he was he was bench bench so like it's all blurred. I feel like if you would have their kid who championship. He was having a phenomenal season. Yeah I just feel bad for the guy his senior brother going down like that and he's my really close friends. They were just said said. You guys knew each other pretty well before you yes so you go through all that and you have this this wonderful does this renaissance great run and then now you're not there like was it disappointing like how how much interested. Portland Express do you think maybe they had the Hassan whiteside moving in the back of their minds this whole time. Could you have stayed and played with behind whiteside. I mean what what else could we have in my career. I did ball I started. I can't the ban so it's it's all about going out there and winning if you're winning among cool with it but if you're not winning there's a problem but <hes> you know think of. I mean partner was an amazing experience of course <hes> up. I had an amazing memory Tom Portland but on on <hes> it's been the scene and it's called business. You know but <hes> like like I said I wish him. The Best Nice any will form in an for them. Yeah no doubt it's always that was a really there was like I say it was a fun fun on team. <hes> and you always kind of as as somebody. WHO's watching the game from afar with no I've got no emotional vestment of it's kind of like to see them. Run that back kind of what it would look like right. Bring Back Kanter. Keep it together gets healthy. Don't know when exactly he'll be back or when he'll be back to normal but it would have been fun would have interesting. They'll still be fun and interesting got a lot harder again. Jess crew everybody's good now. It's it's nuts it. Is you got out at the right time. Perfect time came back eastern perfect at the right time why why Boston and who else was in the running. They're like what did it come down to a decision in between Boston and somebody else on the last was always human like was he here Bulls Boston. Portland was in a mix before they get whiteside. I'm trying to think I also gonNA Lakers and by the way don't Colli and <hes> trying to think who else there was. There was some couple more on remember. Remember remember right now but there was like four five six teams. One of the things Boston was I mean obviously the culture of the city. The winning never did they never tank so. I just wanted to <music>. I'M GONNA go to team that. I don't want them to take just want them to Charleena championship every game. Try to win every game. This is not a subtle. You're just saying you know I'm just saying that you know <hes> so that's why and then when I got released by the Knicks I was always hearing this name Boston Celtics Celtics and <hes> they were interested in back then yes yes and that when the clock hit with a six pm any sometime was a six year three in in in Cali- I think so so something like that so the call me you know I talked to him. Can you give me some time because they were asking me to take a huge pay cut so sound with the bus and I'm like I'm thinking about this so and then I was thinking about and then he called me again okay second San and so everybody was a deeper voice voice. Hello WHO's this is. This is Kemba he wasn't. He didn't call me from his father because he didn't know if I'm gonNA sound Ramona's. I didn't WanNa give me his number. David Ages fought you talk to you. Talk to me a little bit. It was okay. You know we want you bad. We just wanted to come here. Hey let's try to win. A championship is all he. He told me all that stuff. I'm like you know you just signed with the team and I think for for it was a really good. Show me a good really good leadership. Somebody's taking a leadership and trying to come home like okay. That's the way it did. You know much about Kemba before. Did you guys have any was much of class in China thing yeah. He wasn't my job because I wash obviously and years and years how amazing player his but I didn't know his character his personality and then I met him in a before Ed media they amazing Guy Really Locker Room Guy and brings positive energy and <hes> I mean I don't know how much you've said. Actually you haven't had a ton hon of of content. You haven't been up in Boston that much yet. Have you gotten any sense from Danny. AINGE Brad Stevens about the way they want you to play because like did we talked about the three point shooting clearly. That's going to have to be part of it. You Know Al Horford was a very unique kind of of player there right and he was a lot of talent there but he was that defensive lynchpin pinpoints he could you know he could spread the floor offense. He got it. Five positions doesn't even even at your best probably with your size your your build a house probably not going to be you would have they told you about how you can try to replicate at least some of what he did or at least you know you're going to bring more offense probably more rebounding ending then. Al Horford <hes> but they talked to you about where that balance is and how you fit into that scheme so that they don't lose too much defensive how whether the first thing they told me is rebounding owning you know because they told me they didn't really have a rebounders using US and <hes> I look now. I'm looking at one. We play against the Boston Celtics. Our game plan was crash. Offensive Rebounds everyday. They don't have rebounds so I think they told me the one thing. You know. There's going to be a lot of my says. Just go get defensive rebounding on the defensive rebounds too but I think like I said again I think when you play with guys like Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and Marcus Smart obviously I think they want to help you like they did in Boston. I'm just going to put more effort in it and just trust them. I think it's going to be it's going to be fine. I think some people thought we're when they see the the moves that were made in the off season there Kyri to camp okay well. That's that's that's tough but kemp a really talented offensive player and what they lose in. Maybe certain amount of talent. They're gonNA gain. Maybe better chemistry is kind of the you don't have to comment but that's kind of the sense and then with Horford to you. It's like well. There's a little defense gain. A little offense fence is that is that a fair way of looking at it that well the Celtics might slip a little on defense but they'll be better offensively and that's how the or or you going to surprise folks on that part of of it. I'll put up promise you this first of all. We're going to play better energy and wanting about Kemba Kemba beater. That's that's the most important thing but nothing you know. Obviously we just we just have to work on it. I mean obviously I didn't really play with none other guy so I don't really know yet but I think if you work on if you put Wpro mine on focus focus on I think it's going to be fired because Brow Labra soon he's going to be easy and four hundred teammates or planned together with snow say that that's got to be huge especially with Kemba being new though this time with Jalen sensory now yet I mean that's you can't can't you guys like play pippen summer and everything else but this is this is these are games that matter in the world and maybe the amazing they Turkey by one foreign washing since you brought that up okay no. What was that like for you. I did you watch the game live. I wash alive because I was going to a show yeah I was. I was like our nervous. Washer my phone yeah so you've got four of your teammates on one side yeah. It's your home country on the other side. Which of course obviously there's a little he wants me to be dead? Whatever Meyer Point <hes> but yeah I mean it must be mixed feelings are you are you rooting for Turkey in general and when it was charged versus the Celtics players who say I'll be I'll be honest. Obviously is my country but I was from Africa yeah because I mean what America gave me him so much and <hes>. I'm going to go home so that's why I'm like. I understand like Turkey's my conscience. They'd have worked my passport edema. Do you want me to come to your dinner all that crazy stuff going on with Turkey with Turkish governor but I'm like you know what I'm going to America and I was like I was rooting for. America was actually with my friend the same time it was like I want in America to win. When Jason Tatum Miss a free throw good now they're gonNA win but I'm glad that America one yeah so. That was an easy call for. Oh yeah easy. Call Your St you talked about last time you were on your within a couple of years of of getting your American citizens last June fifteen. Yeah on your twitter feed <hes> few days back after that game. Somebody tweeted out over the account was hacked. I sources nice twitter handle. Their Turkey would've wanted wanted to more. NBA players that was tall could rebound score at will in the post too bad. They don't have one of those living in Chris. Yes I believe that was describing you and so you re tweeted that and you said shame on Turkey and this lunatic referring to Erta one. Did they win that game. If you're playing I think so. I think the the there isn't the last they didn't have a big man. Turkey didn't have a big. Manetti didn't have any rebound and I think I feel like if I were to play. I think it could be America America. Yeah it'll be a fun match to go against four Celtics Players Albino. The Big Man Brook Lopez in a mouse turner so I feel I could beat Adam. Is it hard not to be part of that. I don't know how tight you are with some of the other Turkish players but I mean is it. You know they're obvious reasons why that's not going to be the case and may not be in the course of your career. You may never have the chance to play for for Turkey. Is it difficult to to feel that and to know that you know look like that. It would've been a massive upset. It would've been a great moment for Turkish basketball the biggest game well. I think what I'm trying to. NBA represented my I'm. I'm my country Turkey because I wanNA. I WANNA get drafted before my name basis from Turkey so I'm still trying to represent my country in America but now I it's tough. It was definitely emotional game. It was definitely tough game but <hes> I had what what what ah it's so weird even like the Turkish players in the league. There's one in Cleveland one feeling one in Milwaukee in when we play against asked him. I am trying to say hey what's up. They told him their face and other way because they don't want to be in a camera there smiling I made and and Turkish media the next day so even like I try to talk to them. A charter is a charter token Marashi that Osman Shock <hes> full con- N. Hey what's up man how you doing. I was everything was family. Determine their faith looking at the way they they just don't want anyone have have award with me and it's is definitely hers. It definitely hurts but I'm like what can I do. You understand it though understand their young very young they they don't really know what's going on and stuff but I know all that stuff and they're gonNA come back to them in a tough position right. They don't want they don't WanNa find themselves. Target the way that you are while you can. You can kinda like say hey what's up but that seems very weird man like come on as some of the players. I play minutes the same team with our chic and the heat. I play in the same team in national team on now. Stay like all they seem like as an enemy. I'm like yeah just want you guys. Has Anything substantially changed whether it's with regard to your own standing in Turkey or just the way things are going with the Turkish government. Has Anything substantially changed since you and I last sat down in January. I mean some of the things that obviously getting worst and mean and my brother actually can travel can go to Turkey and come back and I'm I'm always asking him. He's in America right now. I always ask them like hey. How was how was Turkey. I was my family. How is all this is. The people are just not happy. There's been a lot of terrorist attacks a lot of shooting and <hes> economy's going down and it's which is just getting worse and worse and you don't Wanna see your country going through their stuff and Turkey is a very important country because it could be a bridge of modernism in west by just because because of that stuff going on going on definitely impossible yeah we also talked back in January but the fact that your father was facing trial in a couple of months that was supposed to be in March two that happened so it did happen. They're scheduled to the Joe Fifteen and now again to October tents the reason they do this because they know they accuse them as much fodder and they know that he's innocent so they keep rescheduling his trial so 'cause they know if they do the trial trial that he's going to be innocent and he's going to be able to leave the country because if you're going to trial that didn't WanNa give you a passport and you cannot leave the country so they keep rescheduling this trial so we cannot leave the country so the next one is in this is the fourth time they delayed it was supposed to be June fifteen and Atlantic and October ten so now I don't know what is the next thing going to be so just hanging over him. Yes I mean whenever he left the house. They follow him and I'll listen every calls and stuff so the next one I'm going to be October. Aren't you think it will actually happen. They'll postpone again probably not probably GONNA postpone. Wow that's ending. It is subtle form of torture. You're just you just got this hanging over. You and you don't know you're limited and he is unknown. He you know what's going to happen and they're scared to put them in prison because they know I versus innocent and they know we can put so much media pressure from here the Turkey so they scare of fat so for me it just just I guess just way too October ten. See what happens yeah. You've been making the rounds last couple of days. You've been in New York. You've been bouncing around you been and I take and I think a bunch of other shows that are I in the title messing with my Guy Nick rights hair. We've become really good friends. He's a good dude. I did sometimes it's basketball. Sometimes it's about Turkey. Both are you you you you you enjoy you enjoy these conversations you really enjoy the back and forth with the media media which is great and we certainly those covered the NBA really appreciate it when you've got this platform where you can then be vocal about the politics back home and and world affairs. Is this when you when you decide to make the rounds over course of a few days here. Is that your hope is it that you know what I've got. You know I got this audience. I've got this this this platform because you you you've you made the rounds before. Is it important to kind of continue doing this to keep the pressure on to keep if your voice out there. It's important to create awareness. You know because once you stop talking about this conversation they're going to be that okay. He's title talking about this stuff than they can do all all that you know. They can't put my family. They took my dad in jail for seven days just because we put so much pressure from here to America to Turkey. They had to let them go. So I know wants to buy stop talking about this conversations that <hes> they my family will be in danger so for me. It just doesn't matter Democrats are Republican Republican side. Just go there and just tell them about your story yeah. Will you and you gotTa Lotta Superior. I remember earlier this year. You know your twitter feed. was You with with various. Congress members on both sides of the aisle you. You seem to have congenital a lot of great support there that certainly has to help to just on the political liberal stage part. I don't really have I don't have a Democrat or Republican. I'm just gonNa tell them about my story and whenever I meet this way it's you know Autumn Senators Congressman Congresswoman's. I tell them about my sore. They stop middle. They said don't worry about it. We already know all this story. How can we help you and that literally early made me so happy because they aware of what's going on so I think for me was it was very important to get the word out there and <hes> it's just amazing to see all the important people just got your back. Yeah <hes> are they said a couple of more lighter back to basketball notes before before. I let you go here so big summer with all these guys guys changing teams as we talked about one of your former teammates and Oklahoma now in Houston Russ Fade now with Brooklyn. Obviously we don't know how the Katie in Brooklyn things going to work out for probably year because of the Achilles injury. What's what was your snap. Take on on each of those moves. What did you think about <hes>. I was that for the Shark I was. I was like wow this. This is really a happened and if I was like for us to get traded anything can happen to sleek. Let me so I'm happy for him. Obviously Bill Casey fans over like heartbroken stuff but <hes> you know I think if him and James Harden can figure out they could be deadly you know but they all they both a leader they evolved both like basketball in their hand and they both like the guest triple doubles so if Mike the took for you now then <unk> deadly from the put them in a top three and in the West. I think it's going to be a really tough one. I mean they're obviously both supremely talented but man. Mike just it's just it's a massive problem right if two guys who handle the ball that much. I don't know it's a difficult balance the guy when Chris Paul Winter and people I said well. I thought it made sense because Chris. Paul can play off the ball. Great Shooter Russ Not exactly a shooter. He's like a great recipe three point percentage right around yours so wow I eddie check it out. At least it was last season but I'm a little skeptical on that one but mike offensive genius and those guys are incredibly talented they they may surprise it'll be interesting and and then Katie to Brooklyn I mean again. I know we won't know really for a while but I just want him to. You know just a hope. He recovers on the one hundred percent and comes back healthy but <hes> I think it's going to be good for them because Corinne is a big brother and yeah. I think Irene is big brother and I think Katie's that guy I and obviously you want it to be in New York now Brooklyn but <hes> I think he's he's happy so I think if he if they get a right they can. It'd be definitely up there with us. Yeah there's a strike you as odd that he would leave the warriors after three straight finals in two championships a thing. That's what I have to take him on stuff. I just didn't didn't click I guess yeah and obviously I mean the guy won any championships many the MVP's and stuff i. I'm I'm very happy for him now. He just wanted to do his own thing he wants to. He wants to be the main guy he doesn't WanNa pee. I I feel like he doesn't want to be in this. Antibody steam wants to be the main guy in bill the Tim Aram. I think the Brooklyn is that the that's the NBA thing now once you've got your championships. You're free to just like kind of like Oh. I Yeah I can just play in a different city. If I want to go with my friends they freeze you. Just do whatever I guess I mean. That's that's kind of where we are your back to number eleven in Boston and have I was looking at this earlier so you started out as figure eleven in Okay see the zero in Utah and you were double zero important in New York. I don't know why fascinated by like uniform numbers. I always I'm always curious. What what is there to eleven. What was the zero zero was. It was just the what is it in Utah always remind me to sustain humble and once I get to see it was it was Russell number so I just couldn't take that obviously but <hes> try to get something different. Stephen Adams was twelve eleven his model girlfriend and <hes> you know back to Knicks. I'll we'll get the double zero but when I was I was with Boston. The double zero was taken out almost every numbers taken Boston well. They're all retired. Yes is this. Is the retail like man this number this number. It's are so I was like. I love my own number. I'll just take that like even like put the conversation table. Hey I'm a mighty eleven. All the fans like yes they eleven they were like Oh. I'm against wasting okay. I'm I'm allergic to wasting right. I'm like they do not want any jerseys on. Just put the table and change the name. They just come to the games that are like that. I'm like do number jerseys and it will is respectful axel to him. I was like I didn't want him to burn injuries. Just take so. You weren't trying to stir it up or anything. That was just maybe a little bit. Maybe take a little bit yeah. It was especially because it was interesting because he had talked about having that Jersey in the rafters like in a commercial so <hes> I guess if that had happened it wouldn't have been available for you would've been up there so yeah but you do like to start off a little now and then is really fun to nature with the you know the defense and everything the fans loves it. A fans loves it. That's what I'm trying to do because last year wasn't there year and was looking at it of everybody saying there was a lot of negative energy. What I'm trying to do this year. Just I want them. I want the fans to come to games and enjoy the game with I want to put a smile on their face and I just wanted to come and just have the positive energy not just the players the whole city hold state so I just want them to just come in. Enjoy Basketball Yeah No. I think it's going to be a really fascinating and probably very enjoyable year there. I do think that like I say I met have been wrong about last year about about them sixty plus what's up. I still I still believe in that Celtics core. I think it's GonNa be very interesting to see how guys kind of reemerge maybe if if the chemistry is better and yeah look. I think you guys are right in there with Philly Milwaukee. It's going to be fascinating races always it's wide open for once in the NBA. There's like ten teams that think that they can make Ryan Brian. Yep I like it. It's going to be fun season as the crazy thing is our first game really than we got. Milwaukee gotten the Knicks home open today. We Got Toronto Yeah so you just gotTa be ready and just the shock the world possum. You got some other stuff to get to here of course like I gotTa let you go appreciate the generosity with your time and your thoughts as always <hes>. You're welcome back anytime.

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Christian singing: Why and how? (Ephesians 5:1920)

Lift Your Eyes Forget the Channel

19:01 min | 2 years ago

Christian singing: Why and how? (Ephesians 5:1920)

"Welcome to the audiovisual. Lift Your Eyes Reflections on Paul's letters to the Sir Winston New Testament lecturer at more college. Seniors Equations Chapter Five. This is nineteen to twenty Christian singing. Why and how music is part of who we are as human beings? We all know that music stirs the soul and engages. The hot but music isn't just something that happens to us. Music is something we do. Human Beings Seeing of course not all of us are very good at keeping Chin. I'm certainly knows but most of us still seeing or at least we humming along under a bridge to the tunes. We hear other. Seeing indeed. Human beings often sing to give. This has been true of societies. Society's down through the ages wither it's fruit chains anthems or chance at sporting events seeing has brought people together stood hotson consoles and enable people to express together what thy love and long four and some ways. Modern Technology has changed changed. How we in our Western society engaged with music? We now have instant access to a huge range of music from around the world record for our convenience convenience so we can play it back at Leisure and listen in private as a result we can each pick and choose and consume music. According to our individual tastes this means that the phenomenon of singing together using voices to sing one unsown with others needs to us is becoming less common in modern world on one Basser on one street corner. You're likely to find fifty eighty paypal with the pods listening to fifty different songs rather than a group of people all singing the same song and this. This means that the I.. Jolt Christian practice of singing together is becoming a little strange and antiquated and our world. I'll play the piano and I've been involved in church music for many years serving as a musician and music later in various contexts. One thing I've noticed is that when visitors who aren't familiar with church which come join us. They can find the whole idea of people singing together a little bit foreign uncomfortable. Yes despite its Strangeness Business We still do it. Why do we Christians resist the modern trend towards individualizing music and keeping singing together when we mace? Ace why does singing together matter to us so match in these verses from visions the apostle pulses else's something in some important things about Christian singing and what pulses he helps us to see why Christian sync together. It also helps us to understand a little bit more about how we should sing together. Officials Chapter Five US as nineteen to twenty speak to another with Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs singing and making music with your heart to the Lord constantly really giving thanks for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God and father who first. Let's look at why Christian seen Christian singing is a result of what Paul has despite a bass in the previous I. He said Bay be fulfilled by the Spirit's innovations being fulfilled by the spirit is about becoming who we were made to be for the sake of God and his purposes God has a great plan for his world to sum up all things in Christ and we believe of his play. A key. Part in this plan as Christ's body the church over the final fulfillment of God's plan weren't happened until the Lost Austin when Christ returns nevertheless even now through his Holy Spirit God is bringing us towards fulfillment a neighboring us to leave for him him and his purposes as this happens we have some work to do building one another up and growing together as cross body yet this is not ultimately are ironwork. It's God's work. God's spirit brings us to believe in Christ and strengthens us in Christ and in these verses we see that one important result of being fulfilled by. The Spirit's is that we seeing this tells us something very significant about Christian. Singing singing by itself doesn't cause God's spirit to welcome US rather it's the offices. The Spirit's work in US through the Gospel causes us to seeing. This is unfortunately absolutely one of the fundamental and serious resolve Bethel music a large and influential music publisher in the US. I they see it as a task to you. Create worship songs that carry God's prisons to worshippers and worship events to host his. That is God's presence I'm quitting From the missions titles but asking does not Harry God's presence instead Christ prisons among us but his spirit through faith in his word carries us. God's spirit leads us to sing praises to the God who signed us if we get it the wrong way round out. Singing will end up replacing. The Role of God's Holy Spirit will fill. We need to work ourselves up into a sit in emotional allstate throughout singing said that we can bring God's presence down to Earth. This is disastrous for AL faith because it makes our emotional state rather than the truth of the gospel of Jesus. Christ the measure of God's presence among us in fact the idea that our activities activities can carry gone. His prison ultimately adultress. The True God carries us. We don't carry him you see. The Nasdaq is up to forty-six a why do we seem. We died seemed to cause God to work in us. We sing because God is at work in us by his spirit bringing us to trust and know the Lord Jesus Christ through the message of the Gospel. Singing is the result of this work of God in our lives. The first few words Paul uses to describe singing he might sound a little strange. At first glance. He doesn't start by saying sing to God but speak to another in other words. A- singing is a form of speech to one another. This means singing. It has an important horizontal dimension. Singing involves building one another up through the use of words by using the word. Let's speak Polish. He deliberately connecting the idea of Christian singing with all the things he's already said in the face and about Christian speech at Christian life together involves speaking the truth in love to one another. This means speaking the Gospel of Jesus Christ speaking the implications of the Gospel and speaking the Gospel shaped way within the network of loving relationships characterized by God's love for us in Jesus we to build one another up with the truth of the Gospel rather than get carried away by false teachings an empty words. We are to speak the truth rather than lies to one another. Aw We had to speak words that point people to Jesus and build them up in him. Speaking to another in this way is at the core without lives together as Christians so pulled describes singing as a form of speech to one another he says important indications for how we understand and practice singing Christian singing is not simply a private individual experience. It's not even a private individual experience among others having their own private individual experiences in the same room it's not just about building building assets up as individuals rather it's about being built together as the body of Christ and that means that practice of singing should not involve involve shutting others others off for example. We should spend out singing Tom. Church with is closed only concentrating on their own individual experience. It's as we sing. We should be opening ourselves to one another to build others up and to be. Intern built up by others Christian. Singing is not about each individual scene individual words to himself or herself rather it's about everybody. Seeing the same intelligible Gospel Gospel focused words together building. One another up in God's word what are we to seeing pull he. You mentioned Psalms Hymns and spiritual songs. He's not talking here about three different forms of soul. All three terms commonly used in the Old Testament discard pretty much the same thing. Israel's responsive prizen worship to God but the three different words help us to see that there are different aspects of the one activity of singing to the woods. SOM- helps us to focus on the musical aspect of singing. Assam was originally a song accompanied by string instruments. It's related to the phrase making music and this is when it cut. This is when it comes to singing. Why the musical aspect aspect is important? Why well there's just something about music? Isn't they. Music has a power to affect us. It gets under under asking instead. Sol's music helps us to engage in a deep emotional level with the truth of the Gospel is particularly powerful. When used to help us to consciously engage our whole bangs a mind wills and their affections with the truth of the Gospel the emotional powered our music is a wonderful gift from God now because music is so powerful there are dangers associated with it? For example music can be used to manipulate their emotions and bypass our minds. And wills this happens when the music itself rather than the truth of the Gospel ospel dominates the experience when repetition volume or other musical devices a used to overwhelm the experience so that the words themselves become largely irrelevance and we need to resist this danger another danger associated with the deeply emotional power of music. Is that music can divide us. Yes we will come to church with different past experiences and different emotional reactions to different kinds of easy and this is where we need to remember that singing. Singing is not just about ourselves but about one. Another as God's people gathered together we need to sing a variety of songs and some types so that all of us would have varied preferences experiences have a chance to engage our whole beings with the truth of the Gospel. We need to keep bearing with each other and forgiving giving each other in this. It's profound active love to sing a song. That isn't your style for the sake of brother or sister who loves that style and will be built up by the word. Hymns helps us to see another very important dimension the vertical dimension a him is a song of praise to God praising God for who he is and what he has done and that means theology really matters when it comes to singing. Singing is in fact one of the most powerful and effective fifty ways to learn theology singing the truths about God and his actions helps to drive these truths deep into our Hats that's why pull uses the phrase spiritual songs. The woods spiritual isn't referring to spontaneous songs or to a sit in in kind of musical style. It means song that comes about through the work of the Holy Spirit. It's a song that points us to the Lord. Jesus Christ thank God the father a song that speaks the truth about God and teaches us to learn and love that truth. This is a key way. The Holy Spirit Spirit works in our lives and this is why we must make sure that those involved in leading music and choosing songs snatches have excellent theological training Christian. Music is one of the most powerful and enduring wise to teach the singing gets under our skin and into our souls so the woods really matter at a detailed level we repeat those words again and again and lent love them. Have you found yourself singing or humming a song from Chech- during the week not knowing what's popped into your head or when you're struggling you can call them mind. The words of the Hymn Music Ministry therefore is profoundly theological that means we need to look for music leaders who Theologically Astute and keep giving them all we can to help them grow in theological depth and insights pulls is to sing with your heart to the Lord. Today we often use the word hat to refer to our emotions but in the Bible the hot that is much more than that. It's a way of referring to our whole Bain who we are inside it encompasses our minds at wills our consciences and our affections wins. When Paul talks about singing without hot he sang the task? Singing is to come from who we are inside. The Person God has made us in Christ in his little Sifi pulls already said some important things. About what God does with the hearts of believers through through the gospel of the Lord. Jesus Christ believes have had the eyes of our hotson lots and that is we have come to know God's great purposes and plans and as the Holy Holy Spirit works in US bringing us to believe in that Gospel word and growing hope and love Christ his prison among us he dwells in our hearts through faith as a hard to renewed more and more that should overflow in song to the God who saved us and lobs us. Finally we should always remember that Christian singing flows from God's grace straight after he talks about singing pulses. We should be constantly giving. Thanks for everything in the name of our Lord. Jesus Christ to our God and father Thanksgiving is about responding. According to God's grace to us it's about being thankful for his gift of salvation and thankful for all the gifts that God has richly provided us with in this world. Singing is part of our whole life of thanksgiving. This is why we need to make sure our singing. Christians is not isolated from the rest of our lives. Singing price to God is meant to lead us into whole lives of Thanksgiving and if we sing praises to God and then straight afterwards grumble or complain. We've forgotten what we've of Sung and are denying the truth we sing. So what do these verses tell us about the why and how of Christian singing singing flows from being fulfilled by the Spirit's. This helps us to see why we see. It also helps us to see how we should sing. Singing has a horizontal dimension as we speak to one another in song building up and encouraging one. Another in God's grace it has a deeply personal final dimension as it engages your whole heart including our emotions responding to God's grace and it has a vertical theological dimension as we sing about and to God himself on the basis of His grace to us in Jesus Christ for for Reflection Christians sing together as the result of God's work in their lives by his Holy Spirit. How does this encourage encourage you as you gather in church to sing? Consider your own practice of Christian singing a

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Stars of 'The Good Doctor' talk about season 3 of ABC's hit drama series

Off the Red Carpet with George Pennacchio

22:31 min | 2 years ago

Stars of 'The Good Doctor' talk about season 3 of ABC's hit drama series

"This is off the Red Carpet with George Pinocchio sponsored by Mercedes Benz Harvey One and welcome to another edition of off the red carpet carpet. I'm George Pinocchio and today it's all about the good doctor Freddie highmore and his cast mates from the show checked in for a third season on. ABC Freddie's Freddie's character. Dr Sean Murphy has grown quite a bit during the dramas I two seasons both professionally. And personally. Recently I went to Vancouver the visit Freddie and several other cast members and we talked about. What's ahead this season on the good doctor? Let's begin with Freddie I feel like he is is once again a step ahead of where he was last season. So and watching the first episode I liked that. He's unto New Adventures. And I feel like Antonia is kind of your counselor. Yeah although it's interesting. I feel like their relationship between Sean and Claire will turn turn to a new direction at some point this year which is exciting. But obviously the other thing that you're referring to sean dating for the first time in his relationship with carly and taking that step by step and seeing how it goes. There's something about carly's face and her smile. That seems to tell me things when she doesn't speak when when she's reacting to you I feel like I mean obviously just a wonderful activity get to work with and I feel like she does wonderful. Actors do finding those moments that are silent that are about the nuances or the pauses. Instead of just the the lines. Are we going to get to see. See more of your characters personal life the season. Yes yeah I think so. It depends what you mean in terms of how much we're on Moss King Sean. I I mean I don't think he suddenly you yes. Yes in that regard. Yes it has to be exciting. Who because it's another area of this character you get to play more? Yeah and obviously. We've teased out from the very beginning with Sean Lee relationship van getting to see him. Interact with others outside the hospital but But Yeah it's it's certainly an exciting season ahead in terms of Sean in his his romantic love life and you say things to Dr Melendez and then he just Kinda has a look because what you've said make sense he's mastered the look of. I need to listen handed him. Yes Yeah it's always fun to get to do scenes with neck. I feel like in general. That's what's that's what's exciting. I've noticed more during season three. Is that you know all of the actors that you're working with so while at this point and everyone knows those characters and so it's always looking being for of course the movements that you were that you were talking about that. Everyone knows and loves it at the same time challenging ourselves to find new versions of that so it doesn't just become repetitive. In any way I noticed one of the donors at the hospital happens to be the bates. Family yes I feel like. That's something that no one else has noticed. So you've clearly been standing the phoned donuts for now. The personal lives of two other doctors who practice as with Dr Murphy. At Saint Bonaventure Hospital will be a big part of season. Three Christina Chang who plays Dr Audrey Lim and has now been promoted to chief of surgery is in a not so secret relationship with Dr Neal Melendez played by Nicholas Gonzalez. Seeing the first episode. I know Oh that this coupling works and I wanted to stay together but I fear that it won't because it's the good doctor and that's what we're allowed tough trying times ahead there are. There's a little tension little tension that's all we can say really. Isn't that terrible terrible that we can't give you anything Laurie or that. You've been doing this for so long George and you still haven't learned. We still try it faster so let me just say this though. I'm rooting for you. And I think that's a sign that I like both of these characters. Now now I really like I really like this character. Jinx there are moments here in this as we see the progression of your relationship. Where like like you? Just get a little snippet kisses I call them and so all seems very very real. Why do you think why do you think these two at least are working for now? There's so much respect. There's so much history and I feel like it's it's built on this mutual respect that really gets tested which were in the middle of right now. You know what what. We're shooting in a big way but if it comes from this this this history respect I think it starts there and Once once you're there I think that's a really great You know baseline for a relationship you know coming from that. Yeah they were also wanting to explore. I'm first of all they've known each other for such a long time. That's where that mutual respect comes from and then exploring sort sort of a more mature relationship versus. I guess what Murphy's going through but that's fun that's fun the Murphy stuff because you've all all invested in him and you want to know the end of a store you want to know what's happening in his life. I liked that a lot too. That's great it's great to see and I think especially in that first episode comes along you know we're all even our characters or so interested in seeing how this is going to look like because I think we all have a very sincere affection in for Sean Murphy. Some actors like a love scene some actor tate love scene for some. It's like any other seen. What about for you? Oh well uh I love seeing meaning just romantic. Things started stuttering Those kinds of scenes. I'm never comfortable with. It's uncomfortable for me. I get like sweaty betty. And he's better at it than I think. We're you know you're more concerned about camera. Everything else are they. Are they taking care of you. You know we're both like against your nose rose and that that's on our minds other than but I think when we're still around each other it's it's fun and it's so relaxed but much rather it be with her than which by the way in real life we've known each other for a long time too so I don't know that I knew that for about eighteen years. Yeah Yeah Nice all right. Is it my imagination. Or as the seasons pass the writers just love giving you difficult words medically to say in his character has them the most. If you like. It's between you and Freddie I mean I'm just I'm admin now I don't know say one linear him cells note langer him sell his doses. That say lamb lamb your cells. CBC ABC CBC. Atalay pays emily's driver. That's I was watching an you're in a surgery in pursuit of the season. And you have more of that Medical Lincoln so I just always amazed. I know that can be easy. Also being a boss is not easy and I think we're going to see I think every boss who well makes me worry makes me wonder I mean I think every boss at home that understands the things the boss has to do will will sympathize with what you have to do here thank you. There's never enough money you ever. You couldn't pay her enough. No I love it. I love this new position for the staff. There's never been for me. Yeah chief limbs fine. Yeah I love it. I love being boss. Give me something that I can tell viewers that they definitely can look forward to the season and you can be as mysterious and mystical as you like You'RE GONNA say motorcycle you're GONNA see Kith are we going to cry more or laugh more. I think there's a lot of bore of about. There's there's more there's more you're going to see. I think a very mature relationship and they're very realistic circumstances. You know as you know from watching this show we're not we don't lean into the relationship angle normally of soap opera type show but there's more there's line more this time. The relationships are in there but a very like a set of very grounded real mature dealing with problems that are so much bigger than themselves and trying to desperately hold on while all this is going on around you will also be seeing more of Dr. Alex Park played by Willian Lee. The character there's an ex cop WHO's turned to the medical profession for his second career. I WANNA be serious and I hope you'll go along with being for this and you don't have to but since I follow you on social media and I'm really interested in your stories. I am really connecting to your son. I think that you are trying to to let people know about what's going on. And I'm guessing to help raise money and I would like to be able to shine a light on on this illness. well No no I you know. It's it's it's so my son about three years ago was diagnosed with the disease called Moya. Am Moya and essentially. It's where in the simplest of terms. We're all the blood vessels in your brain to start collapsing. One by one and Three years ago yes I wrote. He was three years old. And it's been a it's been a long journey Long Journey of Treating something that was misdiagnosed for awhile and and we're starting to see some light with with the magic and the the help of of some amazing doctors And so I remember coming to this show the first time I stepped onto the set I just started. I just broke down because it was exactly the hospital. They the first season hospital they recreated was exactly what we lived in for like two years and so it was. It was really hard for me to to come onto sat for the first couple of weeks and and as time progressed things got better but part of part of doing this show Because it was just kind of the way the stars lined up Daniel Day came called me and my son was going through these things and I remember my son was having having brain surgery and an episode of the good doctor came on. And my we were at this AIRBNB and we're watching this episode and it was just a scene between Freddie and this young kid and we both just started crying and we sit Schwantz like turn it off. Turn it off and cut to about six months later I was here on the set and so I started watching the shows after not being able to watch any anything past that one scene and I realize is that the show became full circle with with our lives because my son was misdiagnosed and he was treated for Chemo with chemotherapy for a year which he shouldn't have been Dan and this show reflected my wife's spirit and eventually I got on this bullet train with her of trying to find. Think outside the box and find what was wrong with him and when I actually started watching episodes of the show after I'd been cast I realized like that's what I wanted in doctor and that's what I love about. This show is that it's a show. It's one of the few shows on television. That's a show of hope because that's as a parent of a patient of a young child like that's the only thing you have to hold onto and true that kids grow out of this was that It's not that they grow out of it. But there's like one of my heroes who who who who who took care of my son He was A. He's a famous surgeon and he basically reconstructed the blood vessel system in his head with a double bypass brain surgery. And you know it's just that's what this show so is in and it's I am reminded of it weekly when I drive on a lot that there's magic here the word miracle comes to minded like it. I think that's great. I'm glad you talked about this. I I want people to know and it's just as a whole it's a disease that gets mistaken for a lot of things and so it's it's called Moya Moya and all right. Let's get to the show before I rented all right. What am I in for this season with your character because I really like Dr Park? You know Dr Park. He's you know we left last season. He's having you know finding that path half of balancing life and work which which a lot of us do as parents and I think this season you know we could possibly as we continue that in terms of like how does he deal with it. And how does he balance a professional life with his family life but the but the fund Things that we've been kind of exploring. The first couple of episodes is kind of his new budding relationship with Sean and developing you know not a mentor but just two buddies and it's kind of like homo not to loneliest guys on the show. It's it's almost like the two the two people that are very quiet with their internal feelings. And it's it's he started seeing sprinkles of it in in the episodes where they start sharing are the Alex Park wants to share. The only person he feels safe in really sharing with is is Sean. I think when you talk about this show there is clearly a love for being here and you you know based on that one time watching the show. That was too difficult. How I don't know the the white we're but how maybe on spying for people who are tuning in people tune into the show and when it's over they don't necessarily forget it some of the episodes last asked and some of the themes or the illnesses that you guys tackle people know someone were you know? There's a there's a connects next people. That's the word connection. Yes and that's to me is is anybody who watches this show is someone you know. Eventually we will all be part of this system in some way or another whether it's kids whether it's her mom or dad or US individually and I think that the cool thing about this show is you know Freddie Moore's Moore's character along with the other residents and doctors you know it's always about what if or how do we or it's not this. Could it be that you and I found having been in that system in the real world that is not always the case and and I love that. This show teaches people to go. Oh no question it questioning question. Your best advocate. Where your your son or daughter's best advocate another doctor continuing to make rounds as Morgan resnick? She's played by Fiona Guberman. I'm conflicted sometimes about Dr Morgan. Because for instance in the first episode of the new season she is so happy be when someone has cancer. And you don't know how to react to that moment. Well the clarify. She's not so without that they've cancer cancer but she's so happy that it's opportunity for her to get to do her for Solo surgery and it is a very curable cancer. So it's not you know and here's another thing. You promised me a disaster about a first date you let this character loves the. She's kind of like the tornado in the the room. Sometimes isn't she well things up but she also is gifted is that gifted with I say this in with all the love and the world as my mother got older in life there was a filter that disappeared and she just said whatever it was she was thinking. Morgan has that filter at her young. I mean it's amazing. I would like that filter. No filter Morgan. It is unapologetic in many areas. Including just speaking what she what she thinks she's she's very opinionated. And the thing about Morgan is. She likes offer opinion in her advice. And she's not doing it to be mean but she's just not wasting any energy on being Mace Ace. So it's sometimes it's the harsh truth and people don't always enjoy enjoy the delivery the Russian producers of the show of decided that the residents. We're going to get more opportunity this season. So that's going to be great for your character. Yeah it's been amazing. Morgan is much bigger part of this season. And it's really cool like there's so many different sides Morgan. That people are going to get to see She's very competitive stuff. That happens and and you see more for vulnerability more of the things and she's going through in her own life and then also the different ways in which she helps other people patients and her co workers. It's a really cool journey to be on and I'm loving it win we've seen have Morgan can be when it's all stripped down. And when she needs someone in her life is they're going to be someone this season that you think Morgan will be spending more time with or being more open up with. You definitely see some of that. I would say a lot of Morgan's organs journey. This season is how she grows through helping other people and how how she gets affected by Being there for her co workers in her patients and during times. It's it's really cool. The thing about the good doctor is that it's always asking questions. It's always bringing gop controversial or as you know issues or things that people are GonNa talk about and they really try hard to present both sides fairly and and equally on the show and not necessarily tell you which is right or wrong but just to really start a discussion about topics and it school to the apart about and sometimes you agree with your character stance and sometimes you definitely do not but you know that's the beauty of the show and its storytelling is it gets people thinking and talking talking and one last. TV Doctor. I spoke with in Vancouver Hill Harper. WHOSE ALTER EGO DR Marcus Andrews? I think when we see the first episode of the new season what we see is a man who is listening. And I think that's really important because your character's been so used to doling thing it out taking it in is pretty powerful stuff. Yeah it is and woods. And that's what's exciting about playing the character because getting into a rhythm of of playing a character where everything is is him telling people what they're doing wrong and trying to put up walls and barriers to be kind of impenetrable. But you know someone who's in a leadership role that's able to maybe take some self analysis. Wouldn't that be great in this world. We live in today that our leaders would be able to look in the mirror and actually do some salve analyzing. That's what happens with this character and I think that's an interesting thing to play. I've I've asked people you get a sense. It's of what the new season will be for us because I watched one episode and I'm laughing. I'm intrigued and I think three times. I'm trying not to have tears tears in my eyes in a room full of women. Well he to me. What makes the show brilliant? And what makes the writing. The best on television is the fact act that it can simultaneously be touching be funny but also be really smart and it. It's really interesting because usually folks folks default into one category. Oh it's very just melodrama or we're just going to be funny or we're just going to try to hammer you over the head with with message. Our show is able to ride a beautiful wave. And that's all due to to David shore and the writing staff and and that's why it's wonderful to be able to play it because because every time you pick up an episode and every time you you don't know exactly what you're going to do not just one-dimensional we're GONNA see. More of the personal life of Dr Melendez does and and Christina Chang. We're going to see more of the personal life of the good doctor. Are we going to see more of your personal life. If you know what I I always wonder how come last season. My wife never walked down the stairs of our big beautiful house. We saw we did so. Hopefully we'll see more this season email. I am the character on the show. That is happily married. I wear I don't have on right now because I just came out of surgery so I don't wear my wedding ring in surgery patient. Lose the patient lift. Things are going well so But usually I have a wedding ring on and and hopefully we'll see The other half of this ring a lot to see them. I really enjoyed my time with the cast. Cast the good doctor. I always do and it was great to be in Vancouver on the set seeing what it really looks like behind the scenes. And I'll tell you it's very impressive off and you can keep up with all that's happening on the good doctor. Monday nights on A._B._C.. For off the Red Carpet George Pinocchio. Thanks for being here by.

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Mason and Ireland HR 1: Remembering Kobe

Mason & Ireland

36:35 min | 1 year ago

Mason and Ireland HR 1: Remembering Kobe

"Well it is the The day after the tragic death of Kobe Bryant along with his daughter gee-gee and seven others aboard aboard that aircraft. That crashed outside Calabasas yesterday. John you're You're on the team flight. back from Philadelphia yesterday. Good afternoon. take us inside what what went on how you heard about it. Well let me first say that. I don't know oh I haven't even had conversations with you. Yes since this happened correct. I don't know how I'm GonNa do the show today. I really don't I'm just GonNa Talk Doc To answer your question. The plane is the you know me have been Traveling professionally for twenty two years. I fly all the time for personal. It's the worst flight I've ever been on I I think anybody on the plane would say that We were in the air from Philadelphia. Normally we would have flown home right after the game. But they've been trying this thing and there's such a good road team that it would imagine the stays for a while where they protect the integrity of your sleep schedule in other words they look at it and they say well do we guys getting back to La at three or four o'clock in the morning they said No. Let's let's have him stay on the regular sleep schedules and see if that helps and all of a sudden now. They're twenty five on the road so it's worked well but this is maybe the second or third time we've ever done it. So we play the game in Philadelphia on Saturday night and our flight is at eleven am eastern eight am Pacific on Sunday planes in the air and because of modern technology. Now you can connect to the Internet can't use your phone but you can text and you can email and you. You have access to live news right and I had twitter open and I saw a tweet from someone. I know that I followed that. I know and he he said I can't believe Kobe. Gone in a helicopter crash and I went. My friend has been hacked right. This is a social media hoax and I actually my first thought was let me reach out to him and tell him he's been hacked. Sure you know then check because he he he was listed. TMZ TMZ and the stories there and my stomach dropped almost never Z.. Get some right. Yeah and I said I'm just is GonNa wait and I'm not telling anybody else on the plane and Michael. Koga who runs backstage Lakers sits up five rows in front of me and he turned around with this looks. Let's face it. I knew he knew what I knew and I held up my computer. Any said any chance. It's wrong and and when we realize to give people background we travel with security everywhere. We go the security is a company. A hired by the Lakers. And we've gotten to know all these guys really well. There were three of them on this particular flight. Our first thought was that. There's probably probably some of them at least one of on that helicopter and when we saw these three guys go into action And they were able to confirm it with their boss on the ground. The plane just everybody became inconsolable. Whole plane I think I'd the texture do? This whole plane was crying praying that we somehow had it wrong or that. Somebody was because we were in a confined space that somebody was playing a very elaborate. Well executed practical joke right. And when in Frank Vogel got up and walked to the front of the plane to tell the players we knew. Yeah this is real and and you know what Mace Ace. I don't remember the rest of the flight after that. I just don't i. We still had like three and a half hours left we it. I just remember looking about it. Sitting there watching everybody Cryan landing and when we landed on the ground around there are a couple of people. I was particularly worried about the first one is the head of our medical team. is a woman named Judy Judy. CTO Yes who's in charge of the trainers the strength coaches. Everybody if you picture pyramid. Judy was hired this year and we all knew her because and the way we got to know her was that she worked with Kobe throughout his whole career to keep him healthy and had this incredible track record of Kobe playing playing through anything. Yes and I'll tell stories before the end of the show that you know Koby literally played through everything and we all knew judy like so many of us. I mean I put myself in this. We owe our career to Kobe without Kobe. We don't have any of. The experiences are riches or trips to the finals or anything but her in particular you know. She works with all sorts of athletes in this was the biggest athletes. You work with him because of it she had you know she got a relation relation with Rob Pelinka and when we were ready to hire ahead of medicine we hire judy and all you do is hugger I and they're all being hugger and then the other one was allison alson. Bogey who's the head of PR FOR US for years. Kobi commanded such a media presence that John Black who was our director until Alson Elson replaced him a few years ago. John Handle everybody on the team but Koby really needed his own person. Yes and that was alison so for years. If you wanted to get to Kobe you you went through alley. And she was the same way I mean just just completely inconsolable and and so we when the plane landed the they did a good job of making sure that no media got to the terminal where we were got everybody out of there and you're seeing now individual reactions from players but the Lakers haven't issued a statement from the team or from genie or from Timor. Mr Anybody yet. And I think the main reason for that is they don't know what to say yet and right before we came on the air. We should continue to repeat this. The game tomorrow night's been postponed. uh-huh the Lakers are not gonNA play and that's a smart decision I am. I don't know how anybody could have focused on playing the clippers tomorrow night. I just don't. I'm not even sure Mace that. The clippers could have focused no hers. Don Evers Yeah Yeah And and eventually we're GONNA have to play. My guess is it'll be Friday against Portland staple center and then we have a game Saturday night in Sacramento as of now. Those Games are both still scheduled but to give you an idea of what it's like to be part of the Laker family family. Today I got an email last night. From Sam who runs Samantha and human resources that first thing this morning they had set up grief counselors slurs on site in our building in the first person respond. The email was Frank Vogel. Just say thank you very much for doing that. And my guess is most of the people who work in that building made use of that right. And you're a big advocate of of making sure you stay in tune with your mental health and and everybody's mental health now is a mess. Yeah you know I mean. I exchange those text messages with you yesterday. I had been doing my podcast Chris. Morales was there. My friends who Kalinski was there And I got a text message and I just froze I just froze And again like you thinking it's not real Somebody got hacked it can't be true went into the TMZ link As you and I often talk about. TMZ generally gets these things right now almost always gets these these things right and then came in yesterday and did three hours. I guess on the air the this scene outside side Staples Center right now in here in. La Live Plaza started yesterday There are fans wearing their eight jerseys in their twenty before jerseys and as I was driving up today fans or bringing flowers To The Alive Plaza withers There are a couple of different shrines right now. to Kobe Bryant Last night The Grammy Awards were stopped by what went on. I didn't didn't I didn't watch one second of I. Didn't I think that that anybody anybody who lives in Los Angeles it just the world's stopped as we know it all right a couple of things We're we're GONNA help you get through this and our phones today which they as you you know. We have a kind of running joke. We don't take a lot of calls today we will today. The phones are open. Eight seven seven seven ten. ESPN if you want to talk about this and again we're gonNA keep repeating this. Because I know a lot of you had plans and I know a lot of Laker fans wanted to make sure be there tomorrow night. Yeah because it was going to be. I came back from could we. There is no game tomorrow night it has been postponed the NBA has announced it So the Lakers will not play against the clippers tomorrow night there has been no announcement thus far on win. That game will be a sign interesting tweet from somebody. That said Lakers should just play. Eighty one Kobe's eighty as of this point the NBA is saying they will reschedule the game but there is no news as to win that measure. So we're going to be here till six o'clock at six o'clock we're gonNA run rebroadcast of Kobe game. I sent a note earlier today that I went back and listen to the fourth quarter of that game. Where Koby it'd be brings the Lakers from fifteen down and ends up with sixty points and it is vintage Kobe? It's like A. It's a love letter to Kobe. He's he's basically the crowd chanting his name up until we'RE GONNA rebroadcast game in its entirety Though that will be the call of Michael Thompson in me if you WANNA watch the game the ESPN Byan. Call the game Mike Tariq. Oh did that night. ESPN's can rerun the television broadcast at six o'clock tonight so a lot of Kobe. Love audaciously going to be going around tonight. Not only on our air and a lot of people's air all right Mason Ireland seven ten. ESPN just a heart breaking day for so many Laker fans for so many sports fans not just here in Los Angeles but around the world tributes to Kobe Bryant who along with his daughter. Jonah and seven others died yesterday in a helicopter crash outside of calabasas Mason Ireland. We will get to your phone calls today. Hey I know a lot of you guys have got recollections that you wanNA share we are still. I think it's fair to say absolutely stunned by the news. Pardon me when I woke up this morning. Thought it couldn't be true right. I think a lot of people are going through that emotion and I wanNA keep repeating because I I know people are tuning in and out. There will be no game tomorrow night. The Lakers clippers game has been postponed. So I want to mention that at least just once a segment which feels like though the right thing to do right a and you know he had such a gravitational channel pull I over one hundred text messages this morning when I woke up just because I covered him. Yeah imagine what it must be like for his family. And the few of the play with the Lakers and Jeanie and it just. It's just stunning news. Here's Blake and Tarzana. Hey Blake your seven ten. ESPN HI guys. Thank you so much for taking my call for being on the air today and just So in shock and I just wanted to say that Two things at Kobe's been a constant in my life He came into the Lakers. I was a huge Laker fan already. I was in fourth grade and Kobe was their elementary school. Middle School High School College and beyond beyond for him to be gone is just insane and I don't ever remember when even when chick hearn passed away will chamberlain. There's never been anything like this for the Lakers organization and I'm just in shock. Just as they announced that the game's going to be postponed. That's sent me back in shock again. So I'm GonNa hang up and let you guys being so on his point on Blake's point. Mace Ramona just tweeted that the last time time the NBA postponed anything. Any game for any reason was in two thousand thirteen when the Boston marathon was is bombed bombed and the Celtics had game scheduled either that night or the next night. They postponed him. And before that you'd have to go back to the Kennedy assassination that's how the land this is and the reason. I think this feels different then. The two that he mentioned that Blake mentioned he mentioned when chick chick died and he mentioned when wilt died. Those guys have lived a full life. Sure you know. Kobe was forty one in in the prime of his line. In engy is the one and you just go come on. Yeah you know thirteen years old and and let me say this to as many of you know I grew up in current Colonel Mar- The majority of those people I think eight of the nine of those people from Newport Beach Yep including Kobe and and in in that town it's just crushing talked to my mom today and there have been vigils in Kobe's old neighborhood in the churches and at the schools where the girls went. Can't I don't even what you say. Vanessa I mean yeah I mean you've gotta you've you've gotta just send your your heart and your love and your energy when your spirit out to to Vanessa and To Jonah Sisters. And what a what a terrible horrifying Twenty four hours. This has been Here's Raider Devon Fontana. Hey deb how are you guys Getting by just barely leave functioning Just working trying to keep focus and yesterday I was just sick to my stomach all day. couldn't do anything. It's just all I can doing is watching the coverage coverage I was twenty seven when toby you know was tracked it and or trade it for us you know traded twelve and I grew up watching him no even twenty seven though but it was young and you know my kids were watching. We'd be on the couch watching. We know we plans everything roundly games. Wow find it hard to talk to you in right now but there's two things I still just extend out on my mind one when he hurt his finger. He had the torn ligaments tendons. He refused to come out. Just tape them up. Continue to play. Didn't get surgery continued to play like he put on his back. Every game gave us everything that he had and then the two thousand ten championship against Boston. You see how bad he wanted to the Celtics for us fans and he couldn't shoot There were so many miss shots but Marie bounding this is determined not to let. He's not serious to Poston and lose again to that and then hope you think all right thank you too big. I think she's has the the same emotions are feeling it is. I think part of why we're so connected to a Moi's when he came here he was seventeen eighteen years old and so we want. We grew up with them then. We that's why feels like he's part of your family because he became you and I always used to talk about stop. What you're doing? He was always him. I remember being on the air with you the day that he was traded to the Lakers. We were doing the old show on on on Fox and wondering who was this kid and where did he come from. And what was Jerry. West thinking and Vladivostok trading. Him seem like a really big deal at that ammonia. Remember when we we happen to have Jerry Western studio on the day that Alan Iverson was announced as the rookie of the year. And we're we're just before we go on the Air Jerry said looked at us and said hey what if. Kobe wasn't playing behind two all star guards. I'll tell you the rookie. He the year would be. I mean he knew he knew from the beginning. The famous story is a about. Kobe is that they brought him in for a workout. Yep the Lakers brought him in for a workout. And they'd heard the stories that he is lighting everyone up so jerry. West Michael Cooper worked for the Lakers then the gain. It wasn't that far removed from his career. Right injury says to Cooper were ring Cogan for workout. I want him to play you one on one but I need you to beat him up a little I need you to you. Guard him super tight and frustrate him. I WanNa see how he reacts to an NBA player. Who knows all the tricks? Yes defending him so they give the ball to Kobe and he goes out and you know they start. Playing one on one in. Kobe is scoring left and right. So so west says to Cooper okay. Go ahead Cooper Looks Jerry. I'm doing it no no I need you to like okay. I mean I'll try try more grabbing hold. Kobe shaken loose to and everything else. And Jerry said that's when he knew yeah he said okay got with our intelligence agent and he said I'm I'm behind the scenes. I'M GONNA negotiated associated deal to get this kid so you gotta work with me and aren't said in you know don't have them anymore workouts. I guess he had already scheduled some that. He went and ahead and did but then that was the beginning of Jerry. was that Kobe at age. Seventeen was lighting up Michael couvert in a workout and and that was the beginning of his lore and so after that Jerry maneuvered to get him and the rest as they say is his history. Yeah all all right coming up next. We'll get some more your phone calls in more of your thoughts and recollections and feelings outpouring of sorrow Oh and emotion from Laker fans and from Angelenos in general also Gotham Chopra who worked with Kobe to make the movie muse. News A very hands on project for Kobe. We'll get got them S- thoughts as well Mason and Ireland. This is seven ten. ESPN people here in Los Angeles still. We'll reeling from yesterday's news. Kobe Bryant along with his daughter Jonah and Seven others Diana helicopter crash. It was just before ten. Am yesterday outside of Calabasas. We should point out that one of the reasons why I think we're going to bring this up John Why Kobe uses uses or use the helicopter as often as he did he? He actually was interviewed a few years ago and asked that question. Here's what he said but then traffic start getting. I'm really really bad right and I was sitting in traffic. I wanted missing school play. You know sitting in traffic in this distinctness came out and I had figure out a way. Racket Steel Train and focus this on the craft but still not compromise family time. So that's when I looked into helicopters able to get down and back in fifteen minutes and and that's when it started and so my routine was always the same weights early in the morning. Kids to school fly down practice crazy. Do my extra work media everything I needed. They do fly back. Get back in Carpool line. Pick the kids up and my wife was like listen I can pick them up on my no. No No I. I want to do that because like you have road trips in Tom. You're not you don't see a kid also like every chance. I get to see him spend time with them. Even if it's twenty minutes in your car I want dad. So the reason for those helicopter sure Rides was family spending more time with his girls for the first time. Since this happened the Lakers issued a statement. I'll read it to you. It says in consultation with the NBA League office. The game scheduled between the Lakers and clippers for Tuesday tomorrow night. We'll be postponed and scheduled for a future date. The Lakers would like to thank all of you for the tremendous outpouring of support and condolences. This is a very difficult time for all of us as we continue to support the Bryant family and we'll share more information as it is available. That's it that's the statement Let's get a call in here and go to a manning in Orange County. Hey Man you're on. ESPN SEVENTEEN ESPN. Dan Hi hi how are you doing. Okay I just wanted to comment on the fact that Kobe Bryant was about as direct smart. SMART there was nothing. Coy About him You know whether you liked him or do you like him. He was He was who he was and I think that was his great asset was that he knew who he was and he didn't pretend to be a very unique talented and driven Kobe. Bryant all right thanks for the phone call maze. I think often about the fact that Cobian Tim Duncan came out at roughly the same time. I think Kobe's Middle League in ninety six and Dunkin came into the League ninety seven. They're both first ballot. Unbelievable Hall of famers they both have five titles but I always felt very lucky that Kobe came here. It was almost an MP we say about magic it was almost like he was born to play in Los Angeles in a town full of stars. He was completely comfortable in the spotlight I was doing. I was talking to somebody earlier today and I said if you were to create a mythical restaurant and you were to take all the stars Lou in Los Angeles and put them at different tables. I really believe that Kobe table would still get the most attention. Whether at the you know Denzel or Julia Roberts and he just he he should. He shined so brightly here. And it wasn't chest in Hollywood but it was in the valley in Watts and in Orange County where he lived moved so it would Eric Garcetti. The mayor was on earlier with With our morning show and he was talking about made. They're trying to come up with ways to honor Koby. We now in in one of the guys suggested he should have a boulevard named after him that stretches from one part of southern California all the way to the other because that touched every every neighborhood. Yeah that was his reach and I feel the stars aligned for him to play here if we would add Dunkin we might have still got at five titles. Sure he wouldn't have never would have had the iconic Karima the Kobe Bryant and the difference between those two great stars is that Kobe was comfortable in the spotlight and relished it and we were all the beneficiary All right coming up next for you The movie movie muse was Kobe Bryant Project that came out a few years ago Kobe was very invested in that. The filmmaker Gotham Chopra. Chopra was Worked with Koby Hands on on that project and he will join us next Mason and Ireland this is seven ten. Espn the light of one. One of the greatest stars in the history of Los Angeles. Kobe Bryant was extinguished yesterday here in a tragic helicopter crash and The city is taking it hard. For good reason. He was among the brightest stars in this and Gotham Chopra New Koby well Kobe head after after his career decided to go into filmmaking storytelling and one of the reasons why was that he made a film while he was still playing and he did it with Gotham. A film called news. News in. Gotham is nice enough to join us now. I know this is a lousy day. We appreciate you joining us under these circumstances got them how you holding up. I'm good you know I. I'm still in shock. I think and and hard to to process but it's it's been nice if listening to you guys listening to everybody and realizing realizing what a profound impact you know. Toby had not just on fans look people in new em and and yeah. It's been helpful Cathartic. I think to celebrate ate him. How did your project? How did the Muse project originally get started? Gotham look I I met toby. Toby probably about ten years ago now and it was through a friend friend of a friend and it was at a philanthropic thing and I think told you guys before. I grew up in Boston. Huge Celtics Fan and Kobe and are pretty much the same age and so before he was of course Laker legend. He was a huge fan in the eighties. Watching you know the Lakers Out in in Italy That has I think to send him. VHS tapes so we Kinda bonded over that and you know Koby while Lakers fan. I remember once you know he called me said Hey. Why don't you come down? I want to show you like Barry burdens the greatest pump fake of all times. And he said you know people think it's a shoulder or his arms like just watches is it's this is is is what made him the greatest faker. So you know we bonded over that and I think at the time he was already thinking about life after basketball in the second chapter in the idea. Yeah being a storyteller and he was obsessed with documentary films. I'm was on his mind. Could we talked about working together but we just never really had an idea until he ruptured his Achilles Gillies in two thousand thirteen and he texted me that night after he announced he was coming back and he said hey man we got her plot and so that's kind of how that project started and then of course you know evolved from there and The relationship of all from there and and I think he says it in one of the trailers he said you know. This isn't a documentary this therapy happy. And that's what it felt like and I think through that you know. I got to know him pretty well and really developed a friendship and you know that's probably the part that artists to kind of reconcile. Gotham Chopra is our guest. Who did the movie news with Koby and Gotham his the thing that I always I tell people about Kobe is his work ethic? Is the thing that sets him apart from other people. He's got. This sick. Almost driven work Catholic that he is not under any condition going to be outworked. Certainly on the basketball court. Did that extend into the movie making process with you. Oh man did it ever. I mean you know I just told the really nice sort of version of it and it was nice and I learned a lot of boy was agonizing at times because you know as I think you guys know toby at some point I think it was after the comeback in half in the first time he decided. Okay guys like we're doing this. You guys got to do it for my office down here in Newport. So we there was no compromise. I tried to talk him out of that idea but he wasn't willing to you so we ended up basically moving the entire production and building an edit room in his office and Kobe. was there like two three in the morning and it was was you know we. I realized that the fan like do like Hanley. Kobe had his greatest success Kinda when he was combative and when he was in conflict conflicts even with like an all time. Great show like that's when they won three championships. So you needed to sort of bring that same energy To him and so there was like never ending reading. You know conflict in that dead room and during that creative process but you know while it was exhausting on the one hand it was also kinda exhilarating and he just just pushed. Everyone and I've been on exchange since yesterday with a lot of the team from that project and everybody has the same memories of Van was terrorist at some. Ah points but he pushed all and I think we all look back at like he was a catalyst in so many ways for what. We're what we're doing now and so you you know. It's a real gift that we received just working closely with him. Ramona Shelburne was on the show a little bit earlier today and she was talking about how your project and how they were Kinda the two versions of it. There was version A.. And then Kobe said he wanted to to all be in his words. So you created version. Jin Be SORTA described that process. Yes version was probably more conventional. It was you know we went out and talk from abating people. By the way you know Phil and shock and Jerry West and Jeanie and Vanessa even dare Derek Fisher Center. There were a lot of people who knew him very well But and we probably did to maybe sit down interviews with Koby and I thought that was pretty good. It was probably more than I expected. Affected initially But then again I think it coincided with the the sort of aborted comeback. He had more time on his hands and he watched the first news again. It's pretty good but you know I have more to say I thought like great. Let's do another interview. Then one more interview turned into two three four. I think we did if Dean maybe twenty interviews. We've built a set down in his office so that he could and he would text me at like three in the morning. We're like Bro. I have something I need to get off my chest. Can you come down. Therapy was and there were times like he would say things that I was like I. I don't really know how we're GONNA use that or we should use that. But you know what I'm GonNa let him. He was. He was reconciling things. I think I think In his life. And you know obviously a cer- pivotal stage. If he transitioned from basketball to life after basketball so I think he was coming to terms with that but he was also seen all these things that were exciting him these different roles and so again you know what privileged to have been a part of that Gotham and we're talking to Gotham Chopra. He decided post playing days after that experience with you that that was going to be his next chapter in his life. He was going to become Tom a storyteller. Could you tell that while you were working on Muse like did you say okay. This is a guy that's going to do this or did it surprise as you win. That was his next company. The storytelling company you know. Kobe always had great instincts and He one of the things he said to me is that he lived mystically. And so you know a lot of the mythology that now we're all talking about and that we've all heard. I mean the Black Mamas probably the best example I feel like he created that like he was great at mythology ising himself and the blackout workouts. And stuff like that and you know sometimes I would ask him about that and it would kind of like mark and about like the whole blackout workout and be like well. It's a good story whether or not that's true it was you know who really knew. He had great in thinks thinks he was also Incredibly veracious but we would talk about. I told someone else's story today like We were talking about like like the opening in the film and somebody referenced. One of the guys on the team Reference Black Swan the opening of netscape movie in Covy. I could tell hadn't seen it and so so I said hey we can pull up a link and he's like I don't. I'll watch it tonight. The next day I was in his office not only. Do you watch Black Swan now. He had an opinion on on. Have you seen Dr Enough. He's requiem for a dream. How well wrestler is and I did the math in my head and I was like? There's no way she could have done anything else to watch these movies overnight like he didn't have time to go to the bathroom let alone you know get a meal or even get some sleep and but that was him so so he said Yeah. I'm not surprised if he had the intention to become the storyteller that he came out of the game. I mean how Kobe of him to like win and Academy Award and then write a book. How can have at times bestseller you know? Of course it's Koby Bryant like that's the way that's the way he does it so I think you know he had a lot more to say and that was a tragedy all right. Well Listen Gotham. We appreciate you coming on Kobe. Bryant SMU's by the way is available on Amazon prime and on Youtube. You too been on Hulu so if you've never seen the film or you want to check back in with it. It's a great look inside the mind of Kobe Bryant. Thanks very much for coming on man. Dan thanks guys. I've really enjoyed helpful to me. I appreciate all right. Got Them have a great day. Appreciate you doing that There's Gotham Chopra Yen Jan Kobe's again. That work ethic like he talked about was legendary. I remember he was talking about the fact you something you and I talked about a lot that I don't sleep much. And he said to me he goes. You know that's a blessing not a curse you said you can get way more done sure enough sleep and I thought you know I started thinking of it differently and I thought yeah. There's the handful of people that that do that. It reminded me. And we're going to get Michael Thompson up your next but it reminded me of a story that one year here. We are on the road for Thanksgiving and I think we're in Detroit and Kobe found out that the traveling party was on its own for. There's about fifty people in the traveling party Yup. Kobe found out. We were on our own for Thanksgiving on that Thursday in between engaged on a road trip and he said well that doesn't make any sense he goes all rent the ballroom in the hotel and cater the whole Thanksgiving dinner for everybody which we thought was Super Nassar so he does and it's ridiculous it's got every type of thing you can imagine for Thanksgiving and somebody puts puts a ping pong table in the ballroom. So we have something in there Tim Center near. Yeah he spent a fortune so everybody starts playing Ping Pong and and it turns out that might trudell grew up with a ping pong table. so He's smoking everybody. Yeah and Casale comes over and Kosov grew up with ping pong table. And he's really good so so. Kobe goes over and starts trying to play these guys. You know Kobe's talking tough and you know he's not good enough to beat. Yeah right so insecurity guys told me as soon as he lost. Last one of those games from Ping Pong he ordered a ping pong table on Amazon. That was set up form when he got home and then turned himself into a really good player. That's like Gotham story like like. Hey It's like that Black Swan additive. Didn't know and he said okay. Let's go on the I'M GONNA Go Watch Black Swan right now and then all of our off skeets movies. Yeah that's the Mamba Mentality that is I'm not getting out worked no matter what. It coming up next. We will get thoughts from Michael Thompson. Who Obviously had a unique perspective on Kobe. Bryant's twenty year career and his Post basketball careers. Well we'll also continue to take your phone calls. Balls eight seven seven seven ten E._S._P._N.. Mason and Ireland seven ten E._s._P._N..

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Mason and Ireland (HR 1)

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland (HR 1)

"<hes> <hes> guess grou- ellen and it's been far too long ladies and gentlemen boys and girls that i've said these words might trudell filling in for mason mason and ireland e._s._p._n. L._a. I have not seen you in quite some time. Your you and your family have been in my pool. That's right when i was in lake tahoe. You texted me and said can we go crash at the ireland could very cute picture of talent on the ireland swing you know john look. I've been leaching off few for years. You gave me your old job it. You know you got me into the station here. You let me use your pool. It's really been quite generous individual happy to do it. I think i put the key back in the right place so that the maids didn't lose it and all that kind of talk to staff the staff got in you did find i was hoping you would use it more than once you know didn't want overstay our welcome and all that and the the security guard at the gate i know ended the code still works. You guys you guys are always welcome. <hes> so a lot to talk about. Mike and i as i mentioned not done show for a while so we're gonna touch on a lot of things. We've been talking about the dodgers with another explosion surprise last last night. We'll get to that in a minute but mike let me start with the thing that is blowing up my phone. The thing that is pulling up your phone the thing that when you you and i go to the gas station and to the store and everything is this dwight howard thing for real. Is this really going to happen and what they're talking about is when demarcus cousins went down with a tornado and by the way i haven't seen you since then and i just feel so bad for him. Of course we were moving onto. What's next in that story but mike i was really high. I mean almost to the point where i wasn't wasn't talking a lot about it because i didn't want to jinx it but i just thought they stole demarcus cousins in the free agent market and he was going to be our third or fourth best player and a chance to really rebuild his career so that i just feel awful court of course it's awful and it made me think driving in today as just listening to somebody else have a demarcus arcus cousins opinion. If you lost your voice right now so it's one thing just th- the thing that makes you be able to do your job best right and taking thank you whatever career that you're in for a lot of people you have to talk certainly in this job john what you and i do and if your voice or let's just severely injured your voice and like that at that kind of thing does happen not a ton but then all of a sudden you have to rethink your whole world view. I what okay wait hold on a second. What am i going to do next if it's just one achilles eliezer one a._c._l. Players come back from that and they're able to at least assume somewhat of the player that they were but now what is the a._c._l._u. achilles and by all on the left leg. You don't know how how that's gonna. Turn out in it. That was the way that it really hit me. If something like that were to happen in my or in your career with the voice it's devastating type of a blow mentally and to have to think about what you've been valued for for much of your life and all of that kind of stuff. That's the stuff that breaks your heart and i think when we debate on these talk shows <hes> who's the the best fit but we kinda we kinda gloss over that that the boogie cousins injury and i don't wanna do that. I wanna. I wanna recognize that that he. I don't know if he'll play for the lakers. He only signed one year deal but no matter what happens with him. I'm going to root for him for the rest of his career. You know he was going to cash in a one hundred fifty million dollar payday when he's in new orleans and he's been hurt three years in a row and this isn't a he is not washed up at all like helped warrior. He'll be like thirty two when he comes back. He helped them win and he's twenty nine right now so he helped them win two finals games last so this isn't just a guy <hes> that's that's your end of the roster fill in the blank center which now now the lakers are looking to fill the spotlight that this was a player that actually averaged a double double basically in two thousand five minutes per game plan for the warriors in the regular season before he heard thighs so i was totally bummed about that and also so getting past the personal stuff with demarcus thinking about how he would have fit in theory next to lebron in anthony davis where he's he's able to actually spread the floor because he can shoot. Three's about thirty seven percent in new orleans playing next to anthony davis. You can give him the ball in the post. If things are bogged down he can get you bucket. You can get a rebound in traffic and he's a much better passer than people realize from the top of the key now. He doesn't give you the same defensive impact. Maybe as some other senators that you could sign there but that's what's the to me the part that really got limits now what the lakers could have should have had in him and i do think there are things they can do though to make up for it but it's just it's a bummer for him first of all and secondly for the lakers and and i don't want to completely rule out they will will seem in a laker uniform. Those injuries tend to be six to nine months. It's so you know some guys come back. Sooner i think with him. It would be unlikely that he comes back early because he did that last year and he got hurt again so i think he's gonna be cautious but we'll just we'll just keep our fingers crossed and hope that the best for him now leads us to the lakers need a backup big the reporting from from all the people that cover the lakers on on a daily basis is that at least these three guys are going to come in for workouts joachim. I'm noah is is coming in for sure <hes> by the way you see the clip of him in devon booker loggers those fantastic yeah. I love jokey no yeah so and i'll say this about noah. Mike and i've watched game have been in the league long enough to know we've seen him. Take over games before and when i take over games he does everything he rebounds rebounds. He screens. He defends he passes. He blocked shots. He hit open shots. The big thing would know is is he healthy and last year in memphis. He actually was a pretty big contributor to the grizzlies he his body held up. You know he's been what's known around the league as tiptoed. Which is you know oh tom tibidow. When you play for him he lets you play forty minutes on and two nights in a row and back to backs and a lot of guys who have played for him have suffered shorter shorter careers. Derrick rose was part of that tibidow luau dang was part of that <hes> <hes> jono was part of those bulls teams <hes> and so a lot of people people say you got to watch him for injuries and and when he's with the knicks he he he was a shell of himself but the fact is coming off that last year makes me think okay i would consider him. He was really good in memphis. The second half of the season and i i know a couple of people that work with the grizzlies and that were high on him that said he was great in the locker room. He was great the court so yeah i i like that name but john looking at this spot in general okay. I think the lakers are doing the right thing. They're gonna they're gonna look. They're going to actually evaluate and look at multiple guys. They don't have to just go out and sign somebody. Today they can work is out if they want. They can talk to people around the league <hes> they can bring the people that you might not have heard of or at least that are like think about how well they've done in recent years with their g. League squad with bringing players up jonathan williams filled in for some key minute backup big like there and i mentioned by the way i mentioned jonathan williams uh-huh <hes> earlier in the week as an example of a guy that came up. I don't think he's an option. He's over in israel. They could go get him. They go over there and get him but he i think he has assigned contra play mentors just as as what they've done with that team in the past where they've had players like for example in summer league we saw guy named devante cock who played pretty well and he's one of those guys. That's going to be on on the type of contract where he's going to be in camp like so there. You don't just have to sign a veteran big. They definitely though do need another center. I think and that's because anthony davis has been pretty clear. They're about the he wants to spend the majority of his time at the four all right so joke him. No was one <hes> maurice speights mobike. It's who who had won championships. At the warriors. He played for the clippers. <hes> constructs the floor is an excellent three point shooter glad they're taking a look at him he again not the defender that that that <hes> that some of these guys would have been boogie wasn't necessarily a great defender he he was maurice. Speights is probably the best offensive option of the three names that have been mentioned so it was noah i then speights and then to white howard and this is the one that has laker fans fans texting and calling and saying no no no or yeah. Let's let's consider him. <hes> mike you and i were there for dwight's entire year. It did not go all the way to white or the lakers wanted it to but i made the argument yesterday that you're not asking him to come in and be a focal point of your team to be one of the main guys like you were when he was here six seven years ago. You're asking him to come in to be a backup big under that umbrella. I would be okay with it if rob pelinka and frank frank vogel decided that that was the guy. What do you think well they. I do think that they should evaluate. All of these guys caseload any any name that you mentioned. They should look could everybody. They should talk to people that should see how they're doing. Physically dwight for example only played nine games last year for for a multitude of different reasons but no what exactly what's going on with that you figure that out. How do you talk to the wizards. <hes> you figure out what's going with joke. Noah's health you figure out some people mentioned marsin cortott there see again. There could be four or five names that we're not thinking of. You know what i hope. Marsin cortott gets a look. He has a pet pig. I think it'd be really cool. Backstage lakers do a story on his pat piper leash and he walks take them for walks incidentally. I have a cousin in florida who has a pet pig. He of course it's florida. He thought it was going to be like forty. Fifty pound pig like the ones that you see playing with french bulldogs on instagram investors. I mean me this thing grew up to be like two hundred fifty pounds so he's got a two hundred fifty pound pig fifty pumping that just walks around the house anyway but all of that stuff john that you mentioned those players <music>. I'm not disagreeing. I think they do need another big body but to me when cousins went down the name that i thought i was kyle kuzma. That's the player that's going to spend more time on the court than than he possibly secondary to that. I think jared dudley is a player. That could get more minutes. I think w super smart he can bang at times if you need him to certain centers <hes> he's really probably more of a three four but he's smart enough to take some of those hits. Take a charge. <hes> let let a double team. Come down with from davis or lebron whatever it may be and then can threes on the other end. You're already gonna give up for the most part. You mentioned a guy like speights or even demarcus. If a team wants to go at you in the post they're fine but then you get them on the other end and with the offense and i think that dudley is one day but coups is the guide to me especially coming off team u._s._a. I do think he's going to make the team. I think he's gonna play well while he's in great shape. He's focusing on all the right things. He's cutting to the basket. He's rebounding. He's moving the basket fending which luke walton used to talk talk about where he needs to get better as a defender team u._s._a. Say he already has so so the focus is going to be on this roster so this roster spot but i'm going to like my own personal. The focus is now all right. You're going to have more lineups where coups is a piece of that and it isn't even necessarily mean. Anthony davis playing the five especially in crunch time john. It's not look look like playing center. Most teams are going small. There's no post ops. You're not banging your setting the screen and moving the ball around the perimeter like that kind of stuff is not as tolling as those first a couple of minutes of the half mcgee's out there. That's when maybe on a given night you have this secondary big out there but when the money time comes it's going to be coups. I think that's that's on the gordon. Setter cousins is jalen. Rose has a really strong opinion about this dwight howard thing you'll hear from jalen next and if you were with us yesterday you heard michael thompsons anson's newest creation what's tombstone which is what he wants put on his tombstone now you mike are mentioned in this tombstone poem but you have not heard it yet so we'll get trodellos reaction to tombstone coming up mason and ireland. Mike trudell information e._s._p._n. Bien l._a. Hey mason and ireland. Mike trudell is here and we were talking about <hes> everywhere. I go laker fans c._s. c._b._s. And they say hey hey is it true or we get into white howard really really and the answer to that is possibly mike. I actually think and that and i've heard other people say this. It's eventually gonna come down to what <hes> robin rob. Lincoln frank vogel decide to do you but they say is it likely or unlikely and i always answer. It's it's just possible. I don't know if it's i think they're gonna work. All these guys out but jalen jalen rose was get up this morning and jalen doesn't like the idea of of dwight coming to the lakers and here's why i feel dwight howard is to accomplish d- for that role with this in this market. Here's what i mean yeah. A future hall of famer is about to be on the biggest stage in basketball playing lebron james as an eight-time all-star all star as a future hall of famer. Somebody's been defensive player of the year as somebody that the lakers beg to say so very badly grady. They put up billboards. I just don't see him making the mental adjustment as you start to play become event. You make the physical adjustment because your body forces you to but the mental adjustment. I haven't seen him to play a role where he's going to play four minutes on nights that have two zero points in l._a. I just don't see i hi actually disagree with jalen. Here's why if he they're going to talk to him when they work them out and beforehand and they're going to explain to him what the role is and and if he goes all carmelo on him and says i need to start or i need to have certain amount of minutes in the game. They'll just go a different direction. <hes> i think that you can get an answer and this would what jalen is saying is that dwight will say one thing and do another but <hes>. I think that if they were asking him to come in and n._b._c. the guy that guy that they put billboards up his not the guy they're going after now. You know what i mean. I mean so. I just think that for all of the guys who've been talking about these. They're all vets like they're. They're basically are who they are. We know already said there's going to be some nights where he plays thirty minutes and some nights where he doesn't play at all but what i'm saying is so you're not. It's not like they're the names that have been mentioned that the lakers are going to be looking at. It's not like these are all new guys where there isn't any evidence on there all known right rap. Lincoln knows the whole league so does frank vogels so they know what twice about they know what joking knows about the talks about. They know what players that were not even considering that might be in this spot about. I don't necessarily think that some players could just going to change range and completely evolve from the player that they've been for their whole career just in general there might be somebody that that adapts to a role some sure but that's that to me is is lesser <hes> of of what you can expect from this kind of situation so i i think that the decision is going to be made <hes> with with all of the information in and it's not that hard to get all the information and i think also that there's <hes> i read one article that the i think i want to give full credit for it. I think it was in the big lead. They said they've got eighteen. Guys that would be better fits for the lakers then to white and and i thought that doesn't you know to me that doesn't you're not going to know until you talk to. These guys like there's some of these teams have been kicking around. What do you think are seen gore time. We'll go tot struggled some <hes> he he kind of ended up out of the rotation for the clippers last year of course he got traded from washington and where he's still it was still pretty productive but i like he's still got some real skills that he can utilize a good screener missile roles pretty hard to the rim. Maybe a step slower defensively but i think he's still pretty solid player. And what do you think it kenneth farid who michael both like a lot so for read. I like in a given role the the only so you have to think about read more as a pure power forward. He is pretty good screen enroll but he's not really going to be defending centers that much. She's not the best <hes> sort of rebound in traffic like that <hes> but super active super high energy. I think he could be nice as a bench guy <hes> but the question again here is if you're looking for somebody to put next to davis in certain concedes that would work since davis can protect the rim but actually i do kind of like the idea for read all right <hes> andrew bogut bogut was so the thing with bogut and of course the member he was with the lakers very rightfully. <hes> bogut had some injuries shoes was able to stay healthy. He goes to australia ends up winning the title and i think being league m._v._p. Comes down warriors having come back when the market goes down and he <music> essentially is able to replicate what he did in the past so i think he's i think it's okay right. He can make plays from the top of the floor. Defensively he still has some talent but similar classes these other guys. Here's an interesting one. Nayna hilario nine yeah is gonna turn thirty seven. I think it september my age. That's right. He's <hes> he's. He's slipped a bit last year from what is productive year in athletics marvel. What are you talking about now. <hes> he's an age isn't the only isn't a disqualifier. I'm just saying i think that he's now. His production level slipped some last year even from what it was a couple years ago but he still has some skills and battery. This list came from u._s._a. Today not from the big lead but which i read we both those sites and they're both really good. Kosta coops kufo yeah pretty solid. I can go down to select solemn measury. One amir johnson got all those guys a million names out there. This is the position john that now is the one that's easiest to replace zyppah julia zaza. I mean people remember him. Most from the warriors maybe from the leonard incidents zaza like these guys are all similar right. They can give you some things. There isn't a really a complete offense and defense player on. It's gonna be on this list but all of these guys can play all right the most important thing about this whole conversation we're having we're talking about a guy who's a backup big. Who's gonna play ten ten to fifteen minutes average. That's why i emphasized kouzmin before because once cousins cousins had a chance and his optimal back from health in good shape right which we had heard about him over the summer. He had a chance to really push himself onto the floor for big minutes in times like if he was able to find that cousins game. I don't think there's anybody else that's going to be able to outplay kuzma for minutes. They might they might be better to give enroll right at chop locking. Whatever and you can use that but you've got ya mcgee do that like louis davis davis in that. We've great <hes> early and late yeah that in the middle within so tomy the it's all about in the n._b._a. In the western conference in trying to figure out who's gonna win the title who who is your crunch time five who's going to be on the floor and crunch time in for the lakers. It's anthony davis. It's the bron- it's coups. Mma is danny green and then we'll see about that kind of wing spot on a given night. Is it else caruso. Is it rondo so is it avery bradley quinn cook. If you need shooting that you've got guys that can do different things in that spot but those four are to me the whole key to the lakers and that is is is more more often than not without that classic big man all right. If you miss michael's poem yesterday that includes mike trudell trudell hasn't heard it yet. We'll play that for you. Also can't wait for that. That dodgers exploded again last night. They are setting homerun records at a feverish pace will explain coming up buster olney is on the show today's on at one thirty and as always on the day after hard knocks. Jon gruden joins the show coming up a little bit later my trudell information. I'm john ireland e._s._p._n. L._a. mason ireland show that guy coffin in the background is mike trudell. I had my mic off but you you know the <hes> and one of the things that we've been talking about this week. Mike is that ramona has a pod five part podcast series. It's called the sterling affairs that is really good and it brought back when we were all in the air. I think that was the thompson cadel. She was on back then right in twenty fourteen. Yep okay so when we were on the air back then michael we it was a very hard subject to cover you know it involved racism and players boycotting potentially and it was it. It was very ugly. It's a matter of fact. I thought it was a it. It may be adam silver's legacy moment. He may go down as you know. It was his very first playoffs and just three days after those. Those tapes leaked on t._m._z. three days days later. Adam silver walked to a podium and said this effective immediately. I am banning mr sterling for life life from any association with the clippers organization or the n._b._a. Mister sterling may not attend any n._b._a. Games or practices he may not be present at any clippers facility and he may not participate you in any business or player personnel decisions involving the team he w- also be barred from attending n._b._a. Board of governor meetings or participating in any other league activity. I'm also finding mister sterling two point point five million dollars. The maximum amount allowed under the n._b._a. Constitution put this in perspective. No commissioner had ever kneecapped the owner like this before it just he he basically threw him out of the league which was extraordinary deservedly so obviously and ramona's podcasts ask covers all of this. It's in five parts greg. You've been listening to it right yeah. I just started listening to us into the first one yesterday and i got about halfway through the second one today. I've been through all five. It is very very much worth listening to and i think it's the best work ramona's ever done. Mike you remember back then it was kind of a dark cloud over sports radio because as we didn't know how to cover it and so we were trying to turn a corner trying to come up with with some any kind of levity and leave it to michael thompson michael handle that for us on the thompson trudell show one day. He walked in and he goes. I got a song and we none of us knew you anything about it and we didn't know where he was going and we don't even know the subject or what he was doing and he walked in and did this old man old hat a team uh-huh and on his team he had some blacks and these t._v. ano- with a black man here and a black man there he said if you're black or with the black. I don't want you to come back all med. Donal had a team as hell. No i won't go so you hear ireland cackling back i i loved it. I thought it was like the greatest thing michael had ever created so yesterday. He took another swing at it. How am i involved in this. You'll see how is it's possible. He wrote he wrote a poem. He said you know in honor of ramona's podcast. Everybody was talking about this. Sterling stuff and michael got his creative juices flowing and he had to write fasttrack fasttrack so he said i want to know he had a game he had a game of guess whose tombstone this is written on and who served greg and jay and i and we had to guess you know like it's the he would say an away we go and that was jackie gleason which uses uses old thing <hes> and and so he said i wrote a poem called tombstone and this is the poem poem and you are in it so i just want you to react to it at the end. This was michael yesterday. Often my make i go to meet with a bottle of chaos at my feet and as i go to meet my maker he will let me in because i was a laker and if you come bye visit where i lay think of me when you watch the the lakers play and every time you look up in my memory raise your glass or your cup and remember the show thompson and trudell. I'll be in heaven when he'll be in well. Let's not go there. Just raise a glass to me and let on a chair well. What do you say that's genius now. I have no problem with that. Oh totally into it. I think it reflects the most popular personality here at seven ten s._p._n. Michael thompson is the legend that is and i have no retort. I thought it was excellent as usual strong on your your on his tombstone that de eh people michael could've put his troops to. You're the only one that made it your whole the other person nobody i feel good. I mean he didn't mention his boys employs magic karim you take dishonest. It is an honor. I thought that he would have at least put trace on their his favorite son has no. It's definitely the not clay as he's been very clear over the years but look i didn't read the poem to trace who told him it was excellent and then you should do it on the air. I mean people like people like the show in the whole point of mike mike i saw my role on the show to put michael in the best spot is positive which john i think you do on the broadcast that you guys together for the lakers of course and it's the the reason the disciple is because he is an awesome funny ridiculous <hes> crazy great person so it's it's definitely his show and yeah i'll take the i'll take the mentioned there even if it does have some negative connotations all right coming up next the dodgers are hitting home runs at a record pace. We'll explain e._s._p._n. L._a. Mason and ireland show mike trudell sitting in for mace ace today who has gallivanting across europe and he's in croatia. You've been watching succession no and here's the thing that i i downloaded read the entire first season when i went to lake tahoe and didn't watch any of it because they just we ram too much fun and doing download. It feels like the one app where you can't download okay. There's there's this thing called. <hes> you download this app called play on. I'll show it to you during the break and the promise it downloads in real time so you got to do it overnight <music> download anything off h._b._o. And then you'll have it and you'll have it for a week no kidding okay but i didn't want to do that for china. <hes> yeah lakers going to china this here and and that's coming up. We'll talk more lakers in a second but mike the dodgers got back to be in the dodgers last night at dodger stadium. Do you know who threw out the first pitch anthony anthony davis and did you see it right down. The middle yeah man fucking somebody rotate roach me is he gonna fifty senate sent out a first pitch for the mets and it was awful. Yes anthony davis davis's pitch from the rubber. Jarred shadow was z. was right down the middle rooted in there and apparently <hes> he make cody bellinger before the game. I was following some tweets from some people at work over it does spectrum sports net and they said that he had a really good time in in <hes> really enjoyed it and so so anthony davis comes out throws out the first pitch boba shet dante's son homers off of clayton kershaw early matter of fact he homered twice but but then the dodgers absolutely exploded for five count them five home runs. Here's what they sounded like. Sports net elect alexa opposites flatbed since take it the dodgers on the board sewn guys at the top of the order use your those more than the guys and it's always gosh the guys at the top of the order pol one swing now full of warm later in the game. If he comes up what's ahead. This is his to on pitch. That's center-field moncey funniest. Fly battle white works by skyscraper things in your homeroom nine. Months is whole food fishes run. It's a flare by the right center field against three yeah and that was the final score sixteen to three mike to put this in perspective. The dodgers have hit thirty home runs thirty over the last eight games including those five. You just heard last night that was joe davis an oil hershiser sports net l._a. Those thirty home runs or the most hit over an eight game span for any any team ever the previous was twenty nine by the seventy seven red sox and they're also on pace to break the single season home run record for the dodgers and they may finish thing about this with eleven guys. It's in double figure home. Runs bellinger has forty two months. He is thirty two peterson is twenty-five turner as twenty two key k. s. sixteen seeger and for do go have twelve each will smith has eleven david freeze a._j. Pollock and chris taylor all have nine. I've i've never seen a team. Hit home runs like this and so so first of all you have to acknowledge that the whole league is changing in the ball so like the yankees this year. There are doing basically the same thing but yes this dodger team is so special because not only guys that we thought were going to be good but there are five guys there that we were really sure i'd never heard of will smith and now by the way by the way will smith is about to screw me big time all right so we bit mythical money around here mythical ethical money sponsored ride the bicycle hotel and casino bergman who are going to not even you thought you had a chance to win this bet you said that dodger catchers at the start of the season and would hit twenty five home runs russell martin was going to go for forty himself absolutely nine and will smith has hit like eleven eighty five at bats and now i'm going to lose ten. What does that money back greg. We'll know i will. I made the best thing that they were actually going to hit twenty five. I just thought that austin barnes was going to be the one that got to like ten fifteen he knows and then maybe russell martin hit a couple will smith is on a pace where if you stretch it out to five hundred at bats he hit fifty home runs yeah. He's the hottest home run hitter in the dodgers ever add france to be a part of the rookie of the year conversation if he gets another fifty at bats other nano isn't isn't isn't is in peter lonzo. He's a rookie. Peter is going to win but he's going to be a part of the conversation with the conversation is up three wins finishes. You still take think i do go over him just for his impact long in the outfield and everything but i'm just saying for what he's doing he's going to have he's going to start getting votes in terms of of just pure so the way sometimes when you watch baseball the best way to to think about it is how scared of my when this guy comes up to bat against me or how much am i feeling great about it when he's coming up to bat for my team and after bellinger and maybe muncie when smith gets up to bat. I'm like all right here. We go you know he's he's. He's got this just beautiful concise swing all of the power. He seems so relaxed not worried about anything. There have been no adjustments yet made to him by opposing pitching staff so he's been incredible. Boy i think about it you have last night will smith was in the three spot and then cody bellinger was in the fourth spot so you're going from will smith you went pollock and i believe it was muncie muncie after that pollock muncie smith smith and then bellinger and then seger you're going and who's been actually been feeling very very well. Recently that is a strong. I tried one of those homers cigarette one of the summers no he was he had taylor was after bellinger then seger than than kika than just cigarette one last night right. <hes> bellinger greg had three run double. Yes yeah he didn't have to run by the way apple only one other time in dodger history have two guys on the dodgers hit forty plus home runs in the same season as before any of us were born. You guys know who was no no negative. Ghostwriter right. Now is one and who else would have been on that to the best player on that team offensive player first baseman it was. I'm blanking duke snider sneider. That's right well. It was do you can outfielder. I'm telling you played both but duke snider and roy campanella who was a catcher like will smith had forty way back in the fifties but this team bellinger is is going to be the first dodger ever to hit fifty. No dodger has ever hit fifty and bellinger's on the way by the way both cody and mike trout have forty. Two home runs right yeah well. Let's let's sneak yeah. Let's just not be surprised. There is for both guys by the output last night so the dodgers. I just looked up since july twelve th right so there have been i think thirty five games then maybe thirty six they've scored at least nine runs eleven times so a third of the games that they play they're going. They're going for basically double digits. I it's just it's a powerhouse. The only thing that we've been talking about all year that remains a bit of a concern. I know more for you. Within for me and greg is the bullpen stuff but the the bats are just ridiculous and i don't. I don't know how that changes. They have so many dangerous guys they can bring in any any in any position at any time they are completely loaded and set at every position in what does the dodgers greg have actually made a bull bullpen decision that i was very surprised by and we'll get into that next also i. There's an absurd served suggestion going around. I absolutely ridiculous. Surrounding the fact that tyler do agreed to become the lead assistant for the clippers. I'll explain that coming up buster. Only <hes> e._s._p._n.'s top baseball guy is at one thirty jon gruden as he always does joins us after fasttrack today because hard knox's last night and it'll be a very special appearance by jon gruden all that still to come mason in ireland. Mike trudell information s._p._n. L._a.

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103. THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS: addressing the gambling crisis

Reasons to be Cheerful

56:57 min | 2 years ago

103. THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS: addressing the gambling crisis

"This as reasons to be cheerful with ed milliband hello be new year is the new term of reasons to be cheerful the episode you've heard over the past few weeks for live live shows but we're back in the same room although ed and i have had a lovely holiday together we went kayaking. Yes it was amazing. Just me and you in a canoe yeah what solo kind of we've got to be honest. We've not komo see each other for which you know slightly aggrieved by new family. I'm sorry i gather from your ziegfeld agree but did see myself very much to your family was to the cunningham family and happy days yeah. I think my happy days. Knowledge doesn't really go. It'll be on jumping the show eight right well. Ritchie cunningham played by ron howard yeah and the funds lived with the family was allowed to live at his own ronnie flab garbage. That's right you know. You'll see your family of adopted me in the same way you will. You haven't johnston shot yet. Have you had lessons before we get to the depressing bit as it been a good summer for you. Yes surrey very nice. We were in canada with a lovely time. Canadian rockies amazing get away from it all new really he did this way. You unplugged went off great i did i got rid of my email. <hes> change phone number. You got one of the annot he he didn't give me the new despite me making several barbed comments in a lot of people would have picked up on the q. Grab down by your parents have resisted us true impressive really i thought the floodgates you would sort of you know in a few long nights of the soul while you're could have really done with a friend on the other end of the phone book right tulsa anyway. Let's move on. It's nice has to be back together. How was your summer was. I've i've not had any holiday time soon but i was in sulphur doing in some way yes radio five live and then i was in edinburgh you've done you did something else you did. You did the commode and mayo film review so i said the ah universal swiss army knife principle also you've covered the corkscrew the tweezers it's really well. I'm trying to think of a good a good sort of analogy really thought maybe if i go and do a show with komo it could just stir up a little bit of jealousy definitely spark back into our relationship. Yeah definitely definitely stirred some jealousy. I i'd like to what without killer so yeah so. It's it's been a good summer all around. I guess until you switch to phone back on yes well. It's <hes> it's pretty <hes> wacky days. That's one way of putting it feel that often you and i can can kind of fall into these roles where you're a little bit of tyga and i can be a little bit of the AO but today it's felt a little bit. The other way around. I think honestly portable is extraordinary about this week. <hes> is i think boris. Johnson does represent a new level of charlatanism <hes> that we haven't seen british politics. I mean you know. I have a lot to say about david cameron hamrin people be surprised about me saying this but i think he draws johnson represents a new level of being just able to feel like you can say anything thing as long as you can. Get away with it. You know i'm not perogie parliament because of brexit. I'm gonna get a deal the european council when you when all the evidence evidences the boundaries of no intention of having a deal. I don't want an election when it's clear. He's gunning for an election. It's sort of like i mean i. I feel like what's happened is that we have kind of country in the constitution that is supposed to operate on the basis that there's a modicum of honesty among among politicians and i feel like he's just in a totally different place where he will sign anything and also. I think you picked up on his early before we came on air so i kind of didn't really know him. Well a tool but i think he is much much worse than i would have ever realized about him. Because when you've talked about the podcast you only ever heard about like from japes on the bus on the way to the car but i mean do you think it's an easy comparison to make a thing but you think ncua <unk> to cross the atlantic and say okay. I'm a different different donald trump but there there is a way that in what appeared to be a functioning democracy you can just say a anything and if you have no shame in my soul that when you read the telegraph article saying that muslim women who have <unk> illegible says all of that stuff you saw him starting to kind of think okay. I just need to be sort of populist right trump like and that's my way back you know lean i think and i think that is right and i think part of the thing is he doesn't really necessarily care that much about brexit. Uh he eating famous famously we've spoken to people who off the record have been with him in social situations and said that's that's very much is daily will sit there and almost as a party pace. Give the foreign only about one thing and that is about himself on on. He is really willing to do any anything to <hes> he he will say and do anything to advance himself. <hes> <unk> an is dangerous he he he is a dangerous dangerous phenomenon. Well we should point out that we are recording this podcast on thursday. Take what's going to happen next. Who knows way by the time yours quit as we've been as we've beheld aso <hes> <hes> yep. What does this may all be terribly type exactly you might become supreme ruler. They say may have come. Honestly it looks like a more more attractive prospect. I go all right now. The backhanded insult because it sounded like but but the world keeps turning and the podcast keeps appearing and what are we going to be talking about this week well this week. We're talking about gambling is estimated there are half a million problem gamblers in the UK with a further two million at risk of developing gambling problems for gambling at everywhere in sports. Half of primarily football clubs have gambling companies company sponsoring that shirts this season. I guess arguing. He's take a public health approach to gambling treating in a similar way to tobacco or alcohol there have been some moves in that direction direction recently but a lot more that needs to be done. We'll be talking to charles and liz rich you said on the campaign group gambling with lives and after that we're talking waiting to henrietta boden jones who set up the UK's i gambling addiction treatment clinic and jim wolford professor of psychology and expert on the gambling industry. They'll be telling us about some of the solutions so after longtime apart. What's your reason to be cheerful compass. My son who's three has become come obsessed with trumpets him have them in moderation anyone worrying about healthy eating. <hes> just wanted to put that out there but what i've discovered is crump. Its dont calorific. I guess because they've got so many holes in them. Is that so trumpet with butter. How how many calories you think that would be one hundred fifty hundred ten so i worked out somebody of my height. I probably need two thousand three hundred calories. A day could easily twenty chrome trumpets a day. I not so supersize me like some kirk just living on campus can i just maybe a whole milk trumpets why i know but that's betsy. You're supposed to have not supposed to have a refined grains but ice the but a whole meal crump is probably alright. Do they exist. Where're you shopping all the northland and intelligence yeah sure you can find wholemeal trumpets the bourgeoisie with his whole meal swiss cheese on a whole. It's on the same holes principal was. I'm not a great fiction. Um rita <unk> back copies of celebrity conference reports but i read this great book normal. Oh people by sally ruining talking about which i think has been dominated for the booker. Prize thinks i always say i thought this book with absolutely brilliant. I mean i think it's partly the the way she writes and and you know given that neither of us are millennials. You'd think well reading about millennials growing up in ireland. Is that really genucel. Speak to us but i think i think it was really clever about is it sort of speaks well beyond that age group so that is my tope summer reading tip sally rooney. I'm what's your top autumn rating tab while i mean david cameron's memoirs maintenance around any victory but it's true up she'll be page turner. You'll just be looking in the index. See how many times you mentioned you always name two reasons to the beach. EFL with jeff lied on the line. Now we have charles and liz ritchie who are the founders of gambling with with lives. Hello both thanks for talking to as and i wondered if we could start by asking you to share your story. <hes> your your son. Jack took his life in november two thousand seventeen following problems with gambling addiction. I wondered if you could share jack's story and then talk talk about how you set up gambling with lives as a result of that show will became addicted to fixed on bashing timeouts when he was at school he and a lot group of his friends in the six news to school in the school dinner hour gone on with lunch money on the fixed betting terminals and jar became addicted very quickly. He told us about a year later. <hes> when he lost some money which he'd been given by his grandma we didn't know at that point at all about the scale indepth of gambling addiction and what happened not going wall sir charles too late and he went round olivo case to kosov exclude which is very depressing experience for everybody but we found out auty died that he almost immediately went on a play on the same addictive casino games online be no gump a little money but t gambler the next seven years <hes> mainly online fine <hes> he was free for many months at a time <hes> butts at he he he he was teaching english in in in vietnam when he having been pretty much free for eighteen months gambling at gammel fifty times last eighteen months how gamla tool in the previous levy six months. I'm very much the blue an amazing aucoin why he he was dragged back into gambling. We assume that he got a an email or direct marketing or free bass or whatever and he <hes> he he ended up taking his own life in november two thousand seventeen. He hadn't lost money about point. You'd never did lose very much. <hes> he'd lost probably fifteen hundred pounds that day and on sunday. He contacted us to tell us that he was feeling down in the usa. Keep coming home and we talked about flying t would get we screamed for a long time and he <hes> the two we him operating and we paid off. He's called and then on the monday. I scott again. He said he was with his friends and he was they were watching films homes and so he didn't wanna talk you wanted to be with his friends and then on the cheese day i scott again and we had another conversation and then on the wednesday mm-hmm. Stay out of the blue lunch time we we had an email with his attack suicide note some incredible story very well. Thanks for sharing jack. Story can key to to the the aftermath of what you found out about other families in similar situations show well. I mean actually within a very short time. Jack dying we will put in contact with another family in sheffield who sung had taken his life six months before jack and at the same time we put in comes out to family in the southwest th west he suddenly taken his life amongst before jack inside we we managed to find about said he forty reports either newspapers north biological karnal <unk> networks and we managed to speak to about twenty families at the stage ovarian during the same session with us. Today i had got very bright happy normal chair for boys that when people had lots of other problems or rishton gambling really was that i mean problem gambling cools that deaths so we we are yeah the the point teased very bad experiences with getting quests so joe in the southwest for example karna would let her speak about gambling's a tool and and so she came out about the press on the steps of the cool so pretty much universally massively these deaths are no record and tell us about walt. A role gambling lives that for now now plays well. I have to be on his whenever we do a bit of publicity we contacted by non family so <hes> we are point of contact for families homilies and we provide a kind of community where we will talk to one another. We support one another. We do counselor works with us. Very very timing is no money because we don't we're now a registered charity but we don't take any money from the gambling industry and how many if i may ask how many families of of you so beating contact with we probably have contact with about forty families and a very a big part of what we're doing is kind of the awareness-raising side of things now because i think that one of the things that we found when we first started concept of these families and then started doing the research to find out what is known about gallon because none of us knew that the gambling was a potentially fatalite activity. None of us knew really anxious accounting. None of us knew about the death in classification so i i am on my background is in reserve so too so i kind of was was was reading all of the papers and i found the research literature stretching searching by literally decades making the link between gambling and suicide on as far as we were way that really was not a message which was in the public domain nine we also infer an unnaturally identified a number of international studies which we actually buyer actual suicides unbiased upon those we estimated that between two hundred fifty thousand six hundred fifty gambling related suicides in the UK every year so that's something to tend sensible suicides we were absolutely shocked than the the pulled and when we were talking to people involved in regulation in treatment he could only don't say the woods suicide to them and they'd have a blank look on ABC's as if what are you talking about agreeing of bereaved parents to to bring suicide to the debate about gambling in the all of the stuff that was was was written to to bow how was about how much money as those ruled the newspapers stores even around us. It was hammered. Somebody's in debt. How many hundred pounds today lost how how will we wrote. Was these realized bachchan that that actually it is the mental health aspects of wall gambling ruling. Does ta is not the amount of money that you lose. I mean a cool start plays a role of course as it brings his own crashes but the thing that killed our young men was walked gambling her done then what he had done that that that the very basic who they were who they thought themselves as to be and the played into the industry model that this is all about individuals. It's it's about fluid individuals. It's about inadequacies in them rather than facing the fact that there are some gambling products which are just too dangerous and there are some practices of the industry which are absolutely reprehensible. What what we found in talking to people is the festival some products that have very very dated for example the face don't betting tunnels sales and the cop the similar games online and then there's also choas manipulative practices to sort of a a VIP treatment they do move people up into the VIP status this where they have lost a lot of money and why they all gambling constantly so they increase addiction on ben then they have to close down accounts because people themselves into some trouble or indeed they will close accounts because people have died and it's worth noting that all all of the boys from gambling with lives families who've died all started as children so you could see this illness as a form of abused because actually what you're doing. You're creating the addiction. You're you're increasing it. You're not telling people but actually elite is appropriate addiction all the actually something that you might die from <hes> so for example gye. I thought he was saying when he went into the book as we thought he was safe at school. A six year old knows that smoking kills who knows the gambling tails and how does policy need to change g think the full what what would you what would you based on your experience in the the experience of other families. What would you like to see happen well. There are a number of things first of all as an initial thing we we need mandatory realty to pay for research and research education treatment is truly independent up to now. Everything is being controlled by the industry. <hes> very important wishing needs to product safety testing before products are marketed another moment. Nobody's really talking about us. We have to stall advertising it. We need to treat his leg. Cigarettes still advertising on most most important stalled dire marketing because the industry spent five times as much on marketing to addicts as it does own contrast. Your landed appetizing. Don't just on the question of as well as the measures around the industry what further researched you think needs to be done into into the particular issue of people taking their own lives in relation to gambling. I mean how much is the evidence base. And how much does that need to be improved. Well i mean it needs to be improved. Hugely actually right from the the position of the nobody can even tell you how many people die from <music> from downrated suicides is have been one of the things that has happened in the pond behind is the there was a small study commissioned on <hes> <hes> on what we know from existing data sources unmanned is important studying <unk> densify that was a factor gambling which could be explained by any other factors but what we need is we need a large much scale study to actually even count how many people do on one of the reasons that we also that we don't know a section chief. He's he's stunned diagnose guiding <unk> because there's no training. GP's so while we have on women there there is a suicide a coroner will look the medical and will a recorded this drug or alcohol factors. There's no diagnosis pretty much of on people's nerves so carne is not going to be able to do that will charles liz. It's an incredibly heartbreaking story and i'm sure the halt also listeners <hes> as well as jeff. Go out to you <hes> and it's also incredibly inspiring what you are trying to now. Do a for all the families family so thank you so much for joining us. We are delighted to be joined now. By henrietta boden jones who is director of the national problem gambling clinic gym offered author of the gambling establishment challenging the power of modern gambling establishment and its allies hello no both <hes> thanks for coming to wonder if we could start by you may be giving us an overview of what the situation is with problem gambling in the UK UK. How how bad is it. I'd like to just set the scene by pointing out that although gambling disorder is a really heartbreaking heartbreaking illness for both the people who suffer from it and their families it is a small percentage of the population who does suffer from this disease is just under one percent. Another two percent of the population are at risk and these people are experiencing some harm from gambling but not being to be high enough using the scoring during criteria diagnostic manuals to deem to be severe enough to be an illness so we're talking really about <hes>. Let's say two and a half million people in all for these people gambling is a real problem and treatment is needed. Yes delighted to be here. Thank you for inviting alighting me. We actually have a rather extraordinary situation in britain following the two thousand and five gambling acts which really opened up gambling in britain an effectively maids written the most liberal gambling regime manure and this this might gambling a form of entertainment exactly mindy and it was based on that fundamental assumption that gambling is an ordinary commodity like any operating entertainment product and should be treated as such so of course the result has been vats. We see a high streets becoming casinos in effect casinos on high street st fixed odds betting terminal scandal <hes> what's happening in football match at the day religiously every every weekend again and it's it's it's constant gambling advertisements. Your joel's fact who does research but it was extraordinary that i think for gambling logo shine on screen seventy percent of the time during much there is a there is a real risk here that normalizing gambling jumbling through advertising leads a whole new generation of young people who are more impulsive sensation seeking more likely to try new activities eddie's and pushing them into this gambling behavior and you can see the correlation between this legislation being introduced in two thousand and five and what's happened over the subsequent fifteen years in terms of gambling. Yes <hes> <hes> some people blame. The national lottery equals for starting it all it all off because that meant that government effectively was itself advertising gambling and of course the the the gambling industry lobbied very hard to have the same the same results of right so so the advertising spanish is the thing that people most aware of but but now i think people really worried about the effect on children and young people people in the normalization possibly how generation growing up who think that the association of gambling and sport is is normal. The infiltration of social social media is now a huge gray area which contains both obvious ways of gambling even though they may not be for money like i loot boxes that are that hit the headlines in recent recent times right luke luke boxes. I you know i'm not a great sexual media person myself so <hes> but apparently luke boxes are ways in which you can acquire <hes> goods the help you progress in a game online game by in effect betting for them <hes> so so it's it's not a it's not for money but of course because those are also things that he used in the game that you can pay for you are in effect act gaining money if you if you bet and then social media also is made a media now that's being used to advertise gambling and and connect people again so jim. You said we've got the most liberal gambling laws in europe. Just give us some of the differences the catching differences between all the countries in europe he he is one of the extraordinary things about just how how varied it is around different. 'cause i mean just within europe. I don't think people realize that in germany for example online gambling is still illegal had enormous pressure portable no cost to change that but it still is illegal in france you won't find a gambling machine and outside a casino which of course to british people use now to gambling machines all over the place and in betting shops would seem extraordinary and i think that <hes> going back to what some of your earlier comments we mustn't forget that recent statistics tell us that there are at least fifty five thousand pathological gamblers lows in children so that is an enormous amount so one of the things that i would really like to get across today is that in the way that we are able to deliver evidence based treatment for the people who suffer from the disease. We need to understand with very good methodology exactly the size of the problem in in this country at the moment. I can tell you now that it was nine years ago when the last very good or at least good <hes> study of prevalence in this country. I was undertaken so one of the most important things when you talk about deregulation you talk about advertising. We need to have a benchmark which to then progress so every every year every couple of years we need very large prevalence study to understand who is impacted negatively and then work out from there what they're doing being and whether there are potentially some will harmful types of gambling than others some more addictive types of gambling or types of gambling that are more attractive to to young people to children for example. Can we talk about you described <hes> gambling addiction as both a disease and an illness. Can we talk about what what are the underlying causes of that and also what you've found to be effective ways of treating gambling addiction at the national no problem gambling center so gambling disorder is the world over known as an illness in the old days it will seem more as as a as a weakness of the individual unable to resist environmental cues such as bookmakers for example on their way home from work. Nowadays we are very well aware <hes> that some people have a predisposing vulnerability. I'll start with the genetics of it. We know that all addictions there is a significant component is hera so about half of our patients have parents or grandparents who were problem gamblers. We know that impulsivity which is again very closely closely linked to neurobiological deregulation is much much higher in pathological gamblers and in other than in the general population so these are two factors that play a big part we also see people who start gambling at a later age who may not have the genetic predisposition but a gambling to fill a void maybe after a bereavement or divorce a loss <hes> sometimes a loss of a job with financial concerns and they feel that by gambling they might be able to to due to <hes> <hes> more money now there is one last group the students there is a large concern about students university people who are trying to gamble to make money to get through their degree years and we come across quite a few who drop out of university but who started with the mace ace perception that they would be able to make money from gambling and today those are the other factors that you've described are the students distinct from that sometimes the students get into gambling through what is known as an early big win and what happens here it is a well known and researched i factor or vulnerability where they witnessed early on in their gambling careers either someone else winning large amount or they themselves one large amount amount and large for their own budgets of course but deemed to be large enough to be exciting enough to create this reward pathway dis regulation that we i see so clearly now gamblers. I think henrietta obviously sees a lot of the sharp end of things that you in the in the in the canadian and sees a lot of these personal vulnerability factors which no data exists but because public health approach would would say in a very personal vulnerability okay then maybe family vulnerability but of course if you expose people in particular ways to dangerous things then those two things in combination are pretty deadly ainsley combination so a public health approach would start off by by saying. This isn't an ordinary commodity. We're talking about this is dangerous commodity talking about so big good good comparison indeed yes. Yes interestingly enough the prevalence. We talked earlier about the prevalence of it. People are very surprised when i say to the estimated prevalence of problem gambling in britain gambling disorder people's different terms is very similar similar to the estimated prevalence for britain of problems associated with illicit drugs and and how would we change what we did until the law and the way we regulate gambling if we would say public health approach when i think would start off with a completely different assumption the this is this. Is something dangerous so for example. I didn't think the fixed odds betting terminals thing would have would have happened in the way it did. If one starts with sumptious while would say here you are inventing inventing a new form of gambling to be in the high street a show us how that is safe whereas the owned us under the act of the moment is because we're an ordinary business and we want to innovate and do the thing show us that it's dangerous said the onus on evidence would be in a completely different approach <hes> place that's particularly important thing and i really agree with that joe and actually the other example is so pertinent and so recent is the in match watch betting justice time just at the time when we all know that frequency of event is one of the most addictive components of off gambling <hes> we have people who not only <hes> were finding problematic the gambling on football but now can gamble continuously without now even needing to wait for the end of the match now again using what you've just described one would have had to be sure that that was a good idea before starting in today's date rather than doing it and then saying whether it was harmful advertising because if you're watching live football on sky elsewhere <hes> <hes> i think almost all off of for gambling yes yes and it's getting it's getting worse week by week. Every time i watch match day something new who is happened lila the last time maps day last weekend it wasn't it wasn't just that the ban has went round moving around the ground but they flashed so bet three six five every every alternative show for betsy would flash up up at you and then and then i see new companies start out with with whose names are provocative to start with. There's a new one burnley this this season sponsored by an online gambling company that calls themselves selves love bet so all the all the bernie burnley players go round with this this law of slogan on the front love bet and then. BBC's focuses in on them would you stop advertising like that and advertising on commercial channels of of betting almost anything should be on the table italy for example. I believe it was banned. Gambling advertising altogether and then i think the government should be serious discussion with the football league and the football association association on southbound. This government has taken a back seat on gambling. That was the other thing about the two thousand and five act that it said we want the industry to regulate related self <hes> we're gonna take. We're gonna take a back seat that i think is something that should be completely stood on his hand and and and and change around from your title of your book is the gambling establishment tell us about the gambling establishment and sort of what role they have who its allies allies off one one of the biggest effects i think of the two thousand and five act was the date it gave the gambling industry history a central role in policy <hes> research <hes> and so what we have at the moment is is we have government government trying to take a bit of a backseat <hes> the industry very very involved <hes> money for research and treatment on prevention coming from a voluntary levy on the gambling industry. It's only voluntary and a and up to now they. It's ten million pounds a year which a a drop in the ocean nation for the problem of the prevalence that that these we have <hes> the gambling commission which does good work. I mean it's it's it's some big fines on some of the companies recently so they they try their best but they have to work within the law as it exists at the moment so basically they should be they have to license and encourage gambling companies as much as much as they can and then we have a supposedly independent body now called the advisory body for safer safer gambling which should be advising government should be completely independent but actually so tied in with with gamble well aware which is the industry connected body which receives the levy and gives out money for treatment and for a surgeon action and some say. It's a i mean people people i know from other countries who visit or we've been here for awhile and gone off really think our system is a bit of a laughing so we don't journal other tobacco industry regulate itself. Why did we let the gambling industry regulated so all right correct and i do. I echo what you're saying jim internationally our system. Tim is looked at in a very puzzled way and i feel particularly. If i use my research hat that is very problematic because because <hes> although <hes> this is a big issue for for various sectors of society how many gamblers we have what are they doing. Which parts of gambling are more noxious arbor's. The money that is available in this country for research is really only at the moment money that has come from industry which of course no one can really take because they take it at then they need to declare it if they declared they can't publish it in high by peer reviewed journals with good indexes so this leaves a void in terms of research just at a time when we need it most a crush on the public health approach coach so we sort of understand in terms of maybe banning advertising and educating people. I'm interested to know how <hes> and rieti you would. You would scale it up for treatments like the treatment you do. How how would you scale up for treatment more widely well. Your podcast is called reasons to be cheerful so this is a cheerful bit. It only took me ten years but it ten years of very hard work. I did manage to get energy. Adjust england involved an interested and now contributing large amount of money to <hes> setup fourteen new clinics aches delivering exactly the same evidence based model that i started in two thousand eight as well as all of this there are two children's clinics one for gambling starting from twelve years old which will be housed inside the national problem gambling clinic to start with but there'll be other starting up and of course the gaming because as jim was saying earlier the confluence gambling and gaming the potential priming of young people's brains as start with gaming at a young age and may move onto gambling blink they recognize features of games that then can be played for money is vital if we don't stop it now we will have a massive problem more more even than the problem we have at present is a reason to be cheerful. The tide might be turning on on this issue. Absolutely the tide is most definitely silently. Turning more has happened in the last year and a half than in the previous ten years in terms of positive things to protect our population and to really eighty help our problem gamblers. I will just mention a couple of things that are very very important. Technology has really come to our aid. We have people in clinic clinic who are abstinent from gambling because they're able to install some software like gabon into their devices phones computers. This stops awesome from accessing gambling sites and don't forget that when i first started the clinic ten years ago nearly everyone was in bookmaker's whereas now they're all online you can use use technology to to to block the relapse prevention aspect in a very positive way the other thing that's really changed in the last few years is involvement of banks thanks and the banks such as monzo in starling they have allowed people to block <hes> on their apps the ability to spend on gambling and they can even set the maximum withdrawal from an ATM to ten pounds if they won't so there then blocked in every direction and there's a forty eight hour limit limit before they can actually access the money if they change their mind fantastic work. Is i agree. I i think there is real reasons to be cheerful at the moment because as the tide really is turning on gambling i mean it's it's everywhere now. In fact as we will come in n. retina agreed. We keep on meeting places now because everybody wants to talk talk about gambling last time we met was at the house of lords because the house of lords set up its own select committee on the gambling industry just now public health england doing a special study that rolls society of public health party parliamentary group all party parliamentary group. Don't come together reasons to be cheerful. We have a thing on the podcast called the jeff accuracy so utopia with me installed as a benign dictator eight <hes> with that does my puppet prime minister. You wouldn't have any proroguing problems in relation powell whichever via <hes> <hes> so if i was to appoint you both mr for for gambling sounds good. What what what is the first thing you would again. I would stop the gambling adverts full stop. That's not a lot to ask yeah yeah. I be delighted if i was a health minister with responsibility for this because that would be a tremendous stars don if if i if if government said i was going to be the lead person on gambling because because ever since two thousand and five the lead department has been culture media and sport which really not too fine a point upon it is not really the competent department to be leading on something that has such public really implications health not come into it yet so if i was a health minsters once we're tremendous style and the first thing i hope i would be able to announce is that we my government will be working as quickly as possible for new gambling act which will establish this as a public health problem we recognize the gambling has a place place within society but we have to recognize that he has dangers and he's no ordinary commodity lovely. You got the job okay. So what did you think i mean. It's it's really blake is so strange how out of kilter we are <hes> with other european countries. <hes> i'm guessing that in two thousand and five when the labor government made these changes. They just didn't say say what was going to happen. Specifically with online gambling yeah i guess <hes> and the big focus was actually on casinos and stopping <music> <unk> because there was a one point that was going to be these regulation in relation to get casinos and that didn't happen but those obviously a whole other set of things things that happened which just missed. I had some awful stuff has took in somebody recently and if you'll you'll do if you'll the online gambling during life football if you start winning too much they shut your account down. If you start losing they start targeting goosing you with free bats and adverts for for more seen some some of the stuff we heard about people who've consistently lost money eh being targeted and they might fail they are the VIP's in the hirose is so depressed and it seems extraordinary the in relation to alcohol and tobacco baco okay not near neither of the perfect in relation to the rules we have but but we do worry about the health issues then we relations this industry three self regulates. I mean i mean it does feel to me like you know it's sort of out of control out of control situation from what we've heard they're all solutions but we need to act and if we do as we always do want to find a reason for shale that it feels like the tide is turning link and it also feels like this is an issue that belongs left feels like something weather's cross party consensus in a head of state bill but obviously they'll well. I mean that's true but it's got to be econ. Just be baby. Steps has got to be big steps. Does your ideas suggested guests for a future episode. Email reasons are cheerful. Podcasts dot com find us on facebook tweets cheerful podcast as ever share. Yeah your thoughts on this episode or if you have ideas episodes or anything you've heard in the past in fact you can email is reasons at cheerful podcast dot com you can find us on twitter and scam at cheerful podcast and an warm facebook facebook dot com stroke reasons to be cheerful podcast bit rusty on you a little bit yes. It's been a while eh comes from jillian who says i have become a massive fan of increasingly dark chocolate over us and ask sorry so. She did say cultural but she's wellington so it's winter. She says keep it a cherry on the evening extra points she just say i've now converted my husband chocolate rather than the podcast were declared this evening. I've turned into chocolate chocoholic. I told him it was a good thing as is high quality dark. Chocolate is definitely a health food is definitely true yeah yeah he was unconvinced. News is that right reduced blood pressure risk of diabetes beattie's improved brain function etcetera so obviously i thought of you guys what could possibly make us fail multifold than to hear from the experts about why chocolate is good for us dispel some myths and explain the science some of the benefits. I don't quite follow please. Can you do an episode on chocolate. PS my personal favorite is eighty two percent madagascan dark from whitaker's. You would love it well. I mean i'm really into the idea that we got also is more healthy. I think it's going to be more than like seventy five percents cocoa but it's it's. It's the cocoa thing that's really born. We we could just test a lot of them over the kosovo podcast in fact over the coastal weekly not sure whether it's about being healthy to be honest. I i mean the. I'm doing a disclaimer about anything about this stuff but i think it's more like it's less on the healthy than other thing is reducing the risk of diabetes. Is that all true walls anyway. Maybe we'll take under advisement set up across ponti commission of inquiry right next one a climate change stuff hijack ed. I've been enjoying your podcast since listen on the youth climate strike while on a long khanjani switch to auto play on the previous episodes couldn't change it without risking a car accident so i was. Let's talk with you for a few hours. That's a great way of keeping people listening. This is from chris option. Thanks thanks chris the topics i fish to be boring to that surprised interesting in the house of you and your guests anyway on the subject of climate change. I thought the final out by three guests on one hundred one at the end did a great job. Nappy key complementary policies are needed decarbonised transplant homes innovate and engage everyone in the competitions to how to do it. There's one thing missing for me. Countries should should use that power and influence to engage other countries and multinationals to also engage this partly supporting less wealthy countries in their efforts to mitigate and adapt but also also using tools such a strict carbon reduction requirements in trade agreements zero carbon export finance policy public sector procurement only buying from companies which of adopted science-based decarbonisation targets there are lots more and i'm sure a policy guy like ed. We'll jeff. I'm that can real off pass. We can have a show on the international national position at some point good point and more on the role of multinationals and how they can be encouraged or forced to act. We had a lot of people get in touch to about episode one hundred abbey road studios on android song strobe. Oh god you're going to be insufferable. When we get so episode one hundred dollars yeah this country juliette bad who says hi ed and jeff. I've just finishing listening. I'm just just finished it. Listening to this week's one hundred eight bakti about episode one hundred forty seven will that triggers something's new career one hundred and forty seven frank. I just finished listening to this. Week's episode of fixing music education and it's given me a renewed appreciation for my own experience. I went to a very arts focused high school. Where music particulars encourage in our first year we were given the chance to have free private music lessons on an instrument of our choice once a week during normal class times our school onto onto concerts every year for which we had year round choir practice and various bands or orchestras we could join despite big client academic person. All of these things were encouraged so much which i took art music and drama some of my highest into edinburgh university <hes> went on to get my. MA in french language and literature but was always looked down on mostly by people who went to private schools for having studied fewer real subjects than them because of this constant being put down. I started to feel almost ashamed of having shoot so many of the arts rather than traditional subjects but i would not trade my musical education for anything <hes> take away the music and that would be taking can go in parts of me. It's equally if not more important than any other subjects that children are taught and it should be treated as such when it comes to funding and teaching it says juliet yet. This one is titled music and my grandma from ben procter hi jeff. I'm listening to the music education episode like many people. It's really resonating with me. In particular reminded me of my grandmother. She died only a few years ago. The one hundred and one not long before she died. I also think back over a century of life and tell me what you really remembered singing with other people she he said that's where i was happiest. She sang the three choirs festival for fifty years shane little groups local people and huge claws choosing inherited cathedral when edward l. dot conduct doc to them she my grandfather never any money they never end up paying for music but music was their life. How we approach music education speaks to our values as a society is education that give young people opportunities and choices will turn out willing workers. Not everyone awful so in love with music that will define a life one hundred years but shouldn't they have the option. Keep up the good work. She has been. PS of recently started couch to five k. I'm a couch and inspired by your podcast geoff you to condemn it. I'm very much gotcha accounts fan and this comes from helen who says hello from brazil. Hello from brazil brazil brazil. Give us your points. I don't think brazil in the euro should be <hes>. I if australia can be quite. Maybe that's the campaign. You could stop yeah yeah. That'd be the finally the worth while campaigning energy. I've been over landing in south america for the last three months. I've traveled through peru bolivia chile argentina and brazil. I've listened to your podcast on the long fifteen our truck days many of the topics you've covered provided much debate over that's crazy my daughter's about to go to university and the episode on volunteering has given me some ideas. The volunteer on my return also traveling through these countries which is so different to ours has given us a lot of food for thought in the issues. You've covered in how they affect them. You've really give me a reason to be cheerful as well as having had. An amazing adventure says helen and suicide. There's a picture of the <hes> of the bus. Wow oh wow does not three hundred and fifty million. Maybe we need to go over landing. She think yeah in a bus yeah we could do like greta greta. Some bergen and you know we could take a boat that you'll be good for a relationship. I think it'd be excellent for our relationship. I think it could repair the damage. I think it could at the damage done by not. Give me your phone number. Your way might be the secret number. It might be quite hotline might be quite testing for us but you know maybe we come out of it stronger utah reasons to be cheerful ed miliband and jeff okay. We're in the altro. You've had five weeks to doc to foolery on me. You didn't hiding very well on your ipad. Somebody sent us in on facebook and did you ever play talk trump's. Yes yeah. I can hear the voice. I really well. This children's still play top. This appears to be some kind of grime scene. Talk trump's and somebody sent in on facebook and here is your top trump row on the grind real name real name the right honorable edward milliband okay straight name leanne add wall interesting wraps doncaster north roles with the labor party favourite headwear black snap back with the red rose logo baseball cap right at the back favorite takeaway. It says here dixie chicken. It's good to know that they didn't go for the obvious. One with bacon sandwich best bars the quote from <hes> grime editors. Don't chat to me about nonsense. I will box you at party conference. That sound like something you would say. Don't really keep going says says favorite smoke sour diesel. Is that what you're having eight rank. I really understand on these londono. It says house ashby with young dave cameras and <hes> and then it's your road credibility were hello. Hi my road credibility three out five stars but i have to say that reads like a four yeah. That's a good way. I think in a picture of you in some kind the rhyme yeah interesting. What do you think you could get a changing your profile picture on twitter to to you. May your head superimposed onto a grind mattis. It's his body a thing may flush neck and the pros tooth slightly anyway. It's <hes> creative. They found unread it right. Do who else finds one as well up. I'd like yeah okay yeah. Do you think you might have other things to be possibly <hes> so. Let's thank our guests. I'd like to think charles and liz ritchie for joining us and henrietta boden jones and jim offered and mccutcheon producers are podcast with backup from research from joe pearson joe kenyan gal left answers are an answer and seed made me compose music. James d comme de identified. The wasn't isn't designed by emily. The battle has been passed on to henry cole but we still love emily power very much. 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2019 Holiday Toy Guide

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55:46 min | 1 year ago

2019 Holiday Toy Guide

"Kirk was of lager in the early days of Youtube. Why didn't you tell me you had a youtube channel? I took it down the videos. The channel. Awhile ago where he used to scream. Read about video games. Do you think our information may have been leaked somewhere oxygene. No I don't think we undock sow. His relationship will be put to the test. No one is going to get in this house if not this is our home. No one can drive us from our home. When one night he is visited by a shadow person person? Are you calling. Pollino don't do. That won't stop tickling his feet Chasing the ghost a new play by Ashley. Lauren Rogers directed by Samantha demand at the walls theater for Performing Arts McKay the building Fitchburg State University Fitchburg Massachusetts Summer Seven through the fourteenth. Visit the Ford's theatre lab dot org for specific dates and ticketing and file Eh. Hi My name is Ashley Lauren Rogers. I'm the Creator Creator and producer of the TRANSPHOBIC podcast. I use she her and they've emperor announced today. I'm being joined by Jonathan Exodus. Them Action figure expert. Vert self appointed Teacher playwright Toy Collector et CETERA. So I'm really excited to talk to you about this. Because we we talk a lot about specific media on the PODCAST and now we've been looking at a lot more just sort of like a broader issue things today we're GonNa talk about toys choice and specifically because it's around the holiday season we're GonNa talk about like a some great holiday shopping some great toys that are out here therefore trans non binary youth as well as adults who like to play with toys because let's face it toys are fun absolutely but we're also going to chat a little bit about and this is a big the topic so we're probably not gonna hit everything but just to give a little idea of why the toy aisle had become segregated to just pink and blue right and of course we'll to start with the apology that we won't get to your favorite. Your favorite toy is I won't get to it because I know that there's always been that thing but you didn't mention drive John. I'm like yeah you're right so I think that this conversation. Has You actually go back pretty far. Let the good thing is we can jump around on whole bit. So let's go back to paper dolls. Who so paper dolls Used to be pretty much. The exclusive way that you played with dolls that resembled sampled adults or older kids in other words just not baby dolls right So paper dolls have been huge since the eighteen hundreds but the paper dolls questions and I want to talk about are really the ones that were popular in one thousand nine hundred eighty S. So at that time you could get papered hall's Just in books they would often come very gender binary. Of course you would get a sort of coded female one and coded male one and and then in the book would be many many many different times of closed either. Get to dress up your dog. The thing about that that what is interesting is most of the people getting these dolls were girls or young women. They were marketed as such but A lot of the designers behind the paper dolls themselves were male and a lot of queer men have sort of since said. Hey it was actually getting these paper dolls and playing with clothing and costuming in that way that sort of made me at least quasi aware of my own clearness That kind of speaks to an era in which gender segregation was not so much a thing. baby clothes. Were pretty uniform. You you can look up a picture of a baby. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And he's wearing what looks like address because they all were dresses because that was the easiest thing for for a baby to wear regardless of gender. Yeah and so is very uniform also because no matter what when you have a baby it could be passed on to the next baby yeah regardless of gender. Yeah so so the question is when did that attitude fall out of fashion. And when did we start art to Start to segregate Freddie judiciously. The answer to that is really after World War. Two and some people have made the argument that it was purely capitalistic. That people companies learned that you could make a whole lot more money by making a girl's thing so you get all the girls to buy it and and you can hold blood money. Boys things all the boys to buy it. I think that's one reason but I don't think that's the only reason because during this time we can also also track an extreme rise homophobia a deep concern that your child from birth would be gay And and the way that you thought that was by making sure that your child knew who the quote opposite sex was and that that they can identify that sex and then somehow develop an interest in them so because of that Girls Baby clothing boys. Ab clothing became really really I it's it's sold very well of course with that. What else serves to identify? Young Child By gender. Well toys could do it It was around this time that ruth handler and her husband. Elliot had just visited Germany and in Germany they picked up was called to build Lilli doll which was a doll of an adult comic Book Strip character in Germany and they said Hey if we just shave off the nipples this could be a great kid's toy. They brought it back to the states and they did just that right. And they made the first Barbie doll. Oh Okay Yeah and so ruth handler was very clear in saying she you wanted her daughter named Barbara to have a adult. That was not made out of paper. And that was sort of her impetus for creating Barbie that She saw how her daughter liked playing dress up with the paper dolls but she wanted something sturdier. She wanted something more long lasting so From that Barbie was born Barbie sold incredibly. Well as as we know. Mattel is a huge toy company which company that started that And so another another company wanted in on the money and that company was Hasbro that hasn't felt brothers basically said hey this is doing really well in in the girls market. But there's no way boys will ever play with dolls in that in that sense Surely plenty plenty of boys wanted to. But given the cultural temperament of the time Parents were again still very invested in making sure they're boys had the toy God don't or the football or the whatever else you would traditionally associated with masculinity. Yeah whatever you're going to see on cake for gender reveal party yeah exactly it. So what Hasbro did was. They created a doll. I mean it is slightly taller alert than than a Barbie and they made it a military fighting a guy actually set a guys But they were very careful oh not to market it as a doll marketed. Instead as an action figure The Action Marine the action pilot These all his name was airforce. I Aaron Right. Nick was a air force. Erin envy the Navy Guy. There air. Who knows yeah it was all JJ L. and That did the trick That that really sold extremely extremely well to and it's important to say at this time the power of licensing was just to get known as well so companies like marks works which made small plastic figurines think Think about like your green army men and then maybe make them a little bigger by like three or four times That's kind of Mark's made marks discovered that they can actually make a ton of money by making those figurines for comic book. Heroes so they started licensing those properties and Then we get into the seventies where licensing is the thing everybody's licensing everything that was the whole reason that a lot of the star wars toys are really not terribly great great because they were able to be licensed really quickly for a really good price but correct me. If I'm wrong. I just saw the toy that made us so I might be. You're you're right. What was star? Wars Star was as an interesting case because at first nobody wanted them and then Kenner decided okay. We'll we'll roll the dice and try it. They did and then they sold so well the everybody was just like. Oh yes Gimme any star wars thing that you have But other companies too I mean Migo for instance Migo made a series. He's of superheroes Star Trek Planet of the Apes Planet of the Apes. Actually being the first real sort of licensed film property pretty that got made into into toys in the seventies and they were Marty Abrams his his company. Migo did did really well with those and they. You just had a comeback doing that. So this is all to say though that that licensing itself isn't necessarily gender segregated. Putt the products did kind of still turn into you. Like Oh yeah that star wars thing is for boys right. Yeah we'll even even these days. It's very hard to find like. I know a lot of parents that I've talked to in a lot of things that I've read is like. Oh you know on the marvel t shirts you don't see black widow and that's changing but like for the longest time up to even about about a year ago. It's like well. Why is black widow? Not on this is captain marvel not on this bite. My my friend Chris. Bell has a Ted talk about that where he basically talks about the experience of trying to find his daughter. A Marvel Marvel Merchandise and star wars merchandise. That showcases the female characters in the in the movies and and it just wasn't there and you're right it is changing now but It wasn't the case for such a long time too long. Certainly So it's the way I would basically sort of track gender segregation is we go from no segregation really. Because it's all kid stuff to sort of this homophobic scare that kind of takes over the country in which we're segregating everything because you know Johnny needs to know who the Song mm-hmm saw good honestly the we were using some new equipment. It's amazing equipment. But that's why you're hearing a lot of things being put down because I'm drinking tea and it's picking up all of the me. Put The T.. Come down and that sound you just heard was Jonathan getting so excited that they flailed and hit the microphone so to go back right gender segregation. Just gets me so amped up in a bad way so we get we get the homophobic sort of scare that sweeps sweeps the nation. And then we start segregating everything because you know like a sort of jokingly saying Johnny needs to know who sally is. Johnny is and out of that springs this extreme profitability of gender segregation. Today is interesting because it feels like. Now there's more and more profitability in actually not segregating companies are getting very slow to learn that but I think that the more they take risks the more they actually discover that to be true who for example Hasbro has their forces of destiny dolls which are star wars dolls. But they're specifically sort of geared more towards girls and of course I wanNA say as we talk about being marketed to girls and marketed to boys and market anybody that logic is inherently flawed. Because you're gonNA find People really any gender that are simply going to love toy and so so when I say marketed to girls what I what I basically am implying is okay. It's roughly the size of a Barbie. It has big is it. It has sort of a heart shaped face. You know. It's it's a little keats here But that's not all necessarily to say that's what girls want. Or that's what every girl wants or anything like that That's just sort of how these companies are kind of thinking You know it's interesting just just to go back a few years into the early. Two thousands bratz dolls created a huge controversy around this because Barbie really thought at the market cornered they. They really thought that they knew what girls wanted and they they really that. I'm sorry if I said Hasbro I. I meant to say Mattel. Well because Mattel makes a Barbie Mattel really thought they had the girls market corner. Because they're like well we make Barbie and Barbie looks like vissel girls want well then this company. MJ comes up out of nowhere with bratz dolls and bratz dolls. Do not look at all like Barbie's brats have a bigger heads and you you've seen them. Yeah Yeah And there was this. There's this panic in Mattel land because so many parents were we're buying up Bratz dolls because that's what their kids wanted and it to me when I think about that moment until I history I think about how. How little will the most established company really understood about the changing watts of of young girls and again when I say young girls despite these dolls I am courses including young boys and young non binary people in that category because of course in the market anybody? Nobody will buy these but at the same time. Then Tell Company and correct me if I'm wrong is mostly trying to market to a specific binary market and that binary market is specifically to two young girls correct but yeah Wrecked so I if that can be true then the one thing that the toy industry kinda teaches us again again and again is the market is going to do whatever it wants. And it's fairly unpredictable. you could try to predict its trends and you can hope that what worked last cheer is going to work again this year. But there's no guarantee of that and brats. Was I think a really good indicator that that's true There are other similar things throughout history than also point to that that really don't connect so much to gender segregation but They always sort of reflect the fact that kids sort of go for what kids go for you know why. Why wasn't there as huge? Would you craze over dinosaurs that had metallic armor in the late eighties. I don't know that sounds pretty. Awesome to me. I would have been interested in that Dino. Yeah I know. Writers had a lot of problems selling their products even though now they're highly sought after by collectors. So you put in the research and you just don't know that I think can certainly go for gender as well and I. I'm very curious looking to the future. What what what? The changing demographics of kids are GonNa want because I feel like just talking to my own students. Their awareness of gender. Her is radically different than mine was as a child a lot healthier. I think that it's a lot more complete and a lot more inclusive live and I don't think right now. They're seeing that reflected in too many of their product Well I know also when I was doing research for this I was looking into into I remembered because I completely for maybe about two years ago target made the statement that they were going to not gender segregate their toy aisles. It was just going to put toys in place and they're not gonNA put colors everywhere and be like. Oh you don't play you know that you're in the right place if you're in the pink I'll you know you're in the right place if you're in the Blue Weil. And they were met with a lot of a lot of criticism on that. Yeah well that's because the Internet's a horrible place. That's very true. And and that what you say is true. And I think people fail to realize that the people freaking out about it. And the people that were congratulating relating target. I think both forgot like actually the change was not that significant. All they did was remove any sign that says girls toys toys and any sign that says boys. The placement of the toys themselves changed. Virtually not at all. Yeah so there was still a defacto. Two girls and boys al.. We just had to hope that SORTA society you kind of get the hint. That target like I was there all the time time and I mean they still have a men's deodorant section and a women's Deodorant section. So it's kind of like target. You know what's going on over there so so of course I don't mean to poo poo any positive step. I think that That is necessary if we're going to get to a place ace where I can walk into an aisle and see barbies stuffed animals and transformers in the same. I'll I I personally don't know why that doesn't necessarily exist. I I don't see that as a bad thing. But yeah like you said there was tons of tons of uproar about Out that In terrible ways. Yeah I guess Like what are because it sounds like it's still like you say all they did was just sort of remove the color remove the specific stated. This is for boys as girls have like. Do you think that there is a better next step after that because it sounds. It's still like slow progress in that space. You know. Progress is slow but like what do you think the next step would be for that to show progress. I think it has to be a sort sort of several pronged attack Something has to happen in the buying public. I to basically prove to somebody like Mattel l.. That what they are considering risks which would be to make trans positive toys to make non binary positive toys or anything that would involve some blending ending of of genders is profitable. We have a huge problem. I see it all the time in the various action figure collector collector groups that I'm in Where I'll give you a specific example When the the first appearance of the GAL Gadot wonder woman was in the Batman? v Superman movie and the toy that came out for her in that movie did not really resemble per that. Yeah well and I can't tell you how many times In these action figure groups that the comment came up of Osha. Looks like a man right. That was that was the criticism and we gotta get away from that. Because it doesn't look like Gal. Godot is a fair criticism. I mean that's that's the toy was sort of wanting to be but to bring it there bring it to a place of like. Oh I can't have this this because it doesn't resemble the traditional construct femininity in my mind That to me is is not healthy. Yes so it's it's a combination of both the people who are buying toys both as a collectors. As well as just consumers finding some way to and again like capitalism capitalism is garbage but at the same time like if we're looking at a capitalistic thing like a toy company it's like yeah the dollars speak. And also the specifically like what they're hearing and what they're being communicated. Yeah I mean in a way. And it's almost heartbreaking this sort of this way but being being being trans positive and and being just gender positive in general has to be as profitable as homophobia was in the nineteen fifties. Yeah and that feels like a tall order because in many circles of course homophobia is still quite profitable as as we learned from all the political discourse that we get get fed day in day out. I do applaud certain companies and we can talk about this more specifically certain companies for taking the lead on this and saying you know we're going to put this product out there and you haven't necessarily told us that you want but but we're going to put it out there in the hopes that maybe it makes positive change the other thing that I would say that that I hope continues to be positive and stuff like Oetzi an ebbe and places where you can find. People sort of selling customized work if that keeps taking off through three D. Printing and through. Are these sites that sell their work than companies. Do pay attention to that I really believe that DC superhero girls. which which was? Mattel's line of DC superheroes. I truly believe that that came on the back of the success of I meant I am elemental until action figures. which starts that's right? Yeah yeah because it almost it lines up almost perfectly like you look at that first wave of IM elemental no figures. You look at how well that did and you look at the amount of time then took D. C. to put out their product. Okay maybe you can make the argument that they had it in the works before but I think it lines up just to coincidentally for me to suggest that Mattel probably said hey there's there's this thing on kickstarter that's kind of showing us that the public is is buying female positive toys. What can we do to get in on that? And I think that if they did that with DC super girls and then continue to do so with with other products so I do think they pay attention to that I I do think they pay attention to stuff like twitter and what what fans wanted because basically fans are just telling them all the time we will put our money into this so the more they they tell Mattel or Hasbro. Whoever will put our money into this the more they'll make those products? Yeah because when it comes down to it if if the toys aren't selling they're not not gonNa make the toys like and correct me if I'm wrong if that's like just to recall like reductive but now I I'd be hard pressed to find a toy company that had a board meeting and at the meeting they said. Hey we got this idea. We know it's not going to sell. We've already produced produced. Maybe a couple of them. They didn't sell lost a ton of money. But guess what we're GONNA do a third wave in a has ever happened You you know that sort of ideology doesn't really touch that the big toy companies I think that a lot of really good ideas have gotten cancelled because of that You know one thing that I think of as what what I hope is going to start to tear this down is is the Mattel changeable world dolls which I I love For what they represent so for those of you don't know Mattel created created just this year in two thousand nine hundred a line of dolls that are meant to be gender neutral so the idea is that you get the doll. The doll comes with different. What kind of hair comes with outfits And you can make this doll into really any anyone that you want and that includes clues really any any gender. It doesn't necessarily even say this is a boy or girl it just says this is whoever you want. Now Where could we go from there? Well maybe you know. Include some language about being non binary and maybe include some things. But you know what like for a first step. That's great. I I think I think it's really really cool. I mean could the dolls use a little work. Well some people have been saying that It's tough to get the longer hair on over the shorter hair and the whigs exist. Come with and I get that I have one myself and I can attest that is hard but these are technical things that they can certainly work out. It's just cool to see that on the market so again though I mean there's that little voice in the back of my brain that's like if people don't buy this it will go away and I don't want that to go away. I think that's such a great way to start to conceptualize toys and action. Figures is like hey you know at the end of the day none of these have any concept of gender their plastic right now. They are what we say they are in so if we start to surround them in more gender inclusive language the more they will be that. Yeah so like I said. 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You're going to sleep and you'll never regret it yes. We're eating some chocolates from sweet steam. They're a a confectionary consortium And they are wonderful we see them at a lot of conventions and they just sell chocolates that are shaped like steam. Punky things and they're very the chocolate I can verify. They are very good so now that we've talked about a different company. Let's talk about some toys. That are coming out. That are First first off. What is the hot toy this season just for anyone for everyone? Yeah so I I would say that. There are a couple of things that tend to sell very well For younger kids the the pop surprise figures. Ll Pop surprise. Figures always do very well. They were a hot toy last season and and it looks like their prime to be a hot toy again. This season It's interesting because for the past couple of years. We really haven't seen the kinds of toys like tickle me elmo where the parents are trampling each other to try to get them The last thing to do that really was the hatchimal probably a few years ago Since then MTA MTA has has kind of had the hot toy success with pop surprise. And I think that's probably going to be what most kids want a a lot of the parents that I've talked to basically said that. Yeah I'll get my kid. The pop surprise they one. That'll be that okay cool the the This the trend now in toys especially for younger demographics is in the experience of opening them that has become become kind of the centerpiece of the toy experience. So what does the kid. And even now the fun that I take toys is Putting them into the world that I create opening them is kind of a unfortunately necessary. Step just to getting them into the place. Based that I want a lot of toys now work differently It's the opening that is is the funding and once you get the thing open and you see what's in the blind bag egg and maybe you put the thing together and figure out if it's one of the rare ones or not then kind of go under the couch and toys that kind of offer that are doing really okay. Well and in a way it's kind of a genius marketing model. Because you're basically saying well your experience will asked about fifteen seconds. Because that's how long it will take you to open on that and then you're GonNa want another one so you're going to be begging mom or dad or whoever to take you back to the store to get another of these toys so you can have that experience all over again that leads to households that have hundreds of these toys Because they're so collectible like that so when we will look hot toys toys you WanNa look at anything that can do that on the more adult side Funke. POPs tend to do pretty well. So those are ramping up for the holidays to the extent that they are a toy certainly collectibles. But I know some kids that play with them but largely it's to the adult market so So those are doing pretty pretty well L.. Outside of that there isn't a ton in the traditional toy world there are obviously popular video games and stuff. I like that. Yeah so one of the things that I wanted to talk about specifically is toys for trains and Non Binary folks This can be toys for transient binary kids or adults or whoever looks play with toys. What are some things that you've seen either popularly or things that people should look into for their trans or non binary potential person? They're buying for whatever word that is right there collector. I love this question because because for me as a non binary person I I can tell you that I am at my most gender euphoric in toy stores I know for a a lot of folks that is felt perhaps in clothing Perhaps in other spaces where they really feel like they can express themselves for me. It's in the toy toy area. The Toy I'll I would say toy store but toys R. US sadly no longer with us except in Houston in an parameters. They didn't want to grow up. They had to face it. Sorry that's a bad. I don't know Jeffrey is crying. So with that in mind for me. I visualize allies the answer to your question. A couple of ways. There is the The traditional answer of just like okay. You know here are the toys and I think these are hurt. These are really Trans positive non binary positive And A- definitely talk about that but I also Just remembering the first time time that I gave myself permission to walk into the Barbie. I'll of the store right so so as a child teenager even into early adulthood. I testified as a man that's assigned male at birth and as a result of of the masculinity that I knew Going into the Barbie eyler girls section was a huge taboo. Big Now right right But I knew I wanted to so going going there. Just simply being in that space made me feel so good Of course I broke out into a cold sweat. I was there because I thought it was committing a crime but just by being there was a great so I guess this memory is coming thing to mind because it makes me WANNA say Whatever toys people might have told you that you couldn't have as a kid for for for whatever gender reasons that were invented go there right go go explore that thing and give it a shot? Because is I think. There's a lot of euphoria that can be found just in those items so Hopefully you know you can sort of visualize something thing that maybe you had a leaning towards and somebody said Oh so and so's don't play with that girls. Don't play with that boys. Don't play with that. Whatever and you you can? This is me giving you the permission to say. Hey you can play with that you totally. Yeah so to your point though about about more concrete toys that you can actually go out and buy The changeable world dolls are magnificent. And I talked about that earlier so I won't won't really Rehash it but Those are awesome dolls And I think that they really do stand for non binary empowerment transparent in ways that other dolls haven't because before changeable world it was customization. You know you can get a Ken doll. You can get the dress and you can put the Ken doll undress. But that's really not the same thing as being trends or having Having adult that actually acknowledges that this is not a guy and address this is an identity I was gonna say. It's like the ninety sitcom com version of trying to figure out how to play with your toy totally totally. That's a great. That's a great way to put it. We saw this episode is going to come out earlier than the episodes that we recorded earlier today but we just did an episode of due south and it was like I've never seen anything about the show but it it has like one of the the episode episode. I saw was the episode where he is wearing address and he's undercover anyway. Yeah so listen for that. Adam transphobic audience seriously to the point about other trans positive toys. I can't necessarily surly speak to the availability of this now but I know that in twenty seventeen There was a Canadian company. Called Gender Creative Kids Canada that created Sam Damn the nesting doll and Sam nesting doll basically is supposed to tell the story of a gender questioning gender exploring individual specifically specifically designed for kids so the toy itself is designed to have conversation surrounding gender identity and gender With children and I mean the nesting dollars is darn cute. So I certainly would recommend that for anybody who might be parent went looking for ways to explain to their child. this this being sort of gender gender experiences of many many many people another one that I again really can't speak to the availability of but hopefully It's something that can be found. Is the Jazz Jennings stall that does exist. Yeah the tonner Doll Company which is located right here. New York made a doll of Jazz Jennings fully licensed and everything the transgender I Guess Reality Show Star and an activist in her own right So so you can find those Out there as well. Those are three products that specifically are meant to represent trans non binary identities. Kennedy's I I know that there are also other characters that you can sort of rope into the conversation for example Right now in the transformers comic books There are there are storylines being explored of transgender her identities in the transformers world really. Yeah which is interesting on a lot of levels like so specifically I just did a show that I'll just keep quiet about but There's a whole moment moment in the show where the transformers theme is used as a As a derogatory way to refer to a trans person and so it is a thing like I remember even then like I remember I had a bit in my stand up comedy. Rose trying to talk about like. Oh you know I said to my dad like Hey I'm transgender. And he he says to me like Oh what do you change into no. That's an inappropriate question. Are you at Audubon Septa card. It's just like it was just like no dad. No Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's so interesting because first of all having that experience at actually like I wouldn't in what anyone to say that to me then being said I was thinking about it the other day that I was thinking about how in my life the toys that I've always he's clung to have been the ones that were able to transform in some way and I. I wonder now as an adult if I don't see that as a bit of a metaphor for at least where I wanted to do on some level I wanted to transform if I could transform into a plane that would be great. Yeah in other ways just as good so I'm so in the comics now. They are leaning into that a bit. Like hi it's certainly not perfect and I do not think it is transgender. Writers writing those storylines which is unfortunate. But I bring it up just because every single transformer we're character has an action figure so it is totally possible to read one of those comics. I think they're in the lost light arc and then go out and get the action figures. Here's and sort of to you in your play. World he sort of can say. Hey this is something that has now participated in this transgender story. Arc I I I love the the transformers I I bought a t shirt of from the bumblebee movie. And I. I'm telling you actually like I really think somebody on the design side had hugh either be transgender or just really passionate about this because you look at it. The shirt itself is supposed to be kind of a a mockup of the back to the future. Movie poster you know words Got Bumblebee transformed and Bumblebee as a card. But in the background is like the light beams coming up from Bumblebee and it's seriously the colors of the transgender flag. Like an eye in a hot topic and I was like I want that I need this and like in big letters on top trans and then in the little letters it says former so I'm just kind of like it and this is officially licensed move. Wow okay yeah. That's what I said. I was totally shocked by it and I was like. I don't know if anybody else could see a sort of trans transformative message in this. But I do and I love. Bumpy is one of the greatest movies ever made sophomore. Santa get that but yeah what were they talking about. Oh Oh yeah twice well. Let's talk about also legos. Because I knew goes traditionally have been very open and very like specific acidic about visa for everyone here are all our old school ads that show everyone of every type playing. Actually before we get to Legos I do. I do want to clarify hi. My father never actually said that stuff to me that was just part of bystander. Back but yeah. Yeah yeah admittedly. It's not in my act anymore But yeah so with with with legos. Because I know that they introduced the like More what like kind of using a lot of the language that we've been using for the talk like marketed towards girls like the more pastels pinks go friends elves. And I'm curious about how how Lego who has been traditionally a very like we are for every gender we are for everyone and then to make toys that are like well these ones are Kinda for a specific type of person like yeah feels a little like bic for her. Remember those the nineties bic ballpoint pens and they just had a pink cap and they pick for her right and it's just like it's a little as little insane you know. It's it's a bit of a divisive issue and I'm sort of of two minds on it because on the one hand there's really no reason like need to be gender specific at all. I mean that messaging from the early days of like these are bricks. People like you can be of any gender and play with them and that's the joy of it and I'm totally on board with that a hundred percent The other side of me that sees a little differently is the side of me that has felt the liberation of being in a masculine body playing playing with something marketed towards girls For me there has been a little bit of validation in that And so is it worth necessarily preserving things like lego friends. I don't think I don't think based on the last numbers. I saw Lego friend. Who's actually we selling that well? Lego elves got shelved. I believe because it wasn't doing as well what is legal. L. celebral were base. I introduced the whole thing. I should note. It was like a whole other rabbit hole. Yeah so Lego. elves are based Lord of the Rings. I'M GONNA combat would be their Lord of the rings says so L. A.. Were basically if you know the look of Lego friends just like you said sad there pastels and The figures the mini figs are different than the. That's the thing there's no boy like right. You just say like the regular Geller Legos. which is really pejorative To to the to the to the girl I go by the lego friends. Figures are mini. Figs are are longer there taller. They're more slender and the Lego elves were in that style except they were meant to to be elps And and I'm still I'm kind of following Ed. Follow the concept so so. So there's there's girls in the LEGO friend correct. Are there boys in the Lego. Yes okay so girls and boys existed like Oh Fran also else yes. So these are the non binary people wealth of that would be Kinda China. Cool I I I would take it. There hasn't been any official copy on that but but Ah I mean maybe. They shouldn't be the binder I was going to say it's because people are sick of being portrayed as Nah. Yeah that's that's for sure. Yeah like that is true. For Non Binary people as a whole does this particular non binary people's like bring on the robots at the Elliott Elliott. Eligible will be all of them. But I also totally get why. That is problematic. Apologize for for that outburst. I will contain myself job so the elves were like. You could build a dragon and it would be a Pastel Dragon. And most of it was dragging a real rated and observed out sorry the mini figs are and then the dragons. Are the things that you build dragons. That's that would be. Yeah okay that sounds good to me way more work so I. There is a part of me that that does wonder because because lego friends is such girls marketed toy line. The boxes are pink It's it's you know it's it's clearly got way more female characters in it. If LEGO ELVES wasn't a way of saying like Ole if you're a little boy you know this is the thing it kind of looks like that but it can be for you. I don't know like I. It's it's a weird product Messaging Mace Ace. And unfortunately it just didn't work out so no and so I'll be interested to see the future that it honestly away from me. I don't think it looks good legos a highly successful toy company and very little of that. Success really comes from things like Lego friends and and from gender segregation and all. I mean look at the the Lego movie. Lego movies right none of them really feature that specifically they do work at in but yeah what what is the university. Yeah Yeah So. There's there's university I think in Lego movie too there is a Kamini fig in that WHO's supposed to be one of the the like friends style figures but it's not it's not a huge part of the narrative is a company sell Lego. I would say as a whole totally totally wonderful sort of gift to talk about in this sort of transgender. Non Binary buying guide that we have But yeah it Kinda comes with added caveat. Now of y'all Lego. Oh friends are a thing and I don't really know what to do with them. I don't okay so are there any. Is there anything else that we haven't talked about the you really like We need to talk about this. I know there's so much and we will definitely have you onto talking about more things uh-huh yeah there. There is so much I mean it's the because the thing is you know to address the title of the podcast. Is it transphobic. When when it comes to toys I mean they're not transphobic and they're not necessarily not transphobic? I mean they're they're kind of plastic things Or die cast or whatever other thing you you WANNA use That are surrounded by the language that we put around them and and And so they're such interesting space to talk about because you don't really picture toy executives as people. Oh sitting in big towers twisting their mustaches. Going yes. I'm going to get back at all the transgender people today. Not doing that. I mean well well yeah but but I think the thing is that many of them just don't know and care and we're getting to a place where you know we've had to address toymakers for not making sis women characters So if they can't get that at far in some cases how are we going to then make the additional sort of bridge to talk you about transgender. Non Binary identities we can then. I think today's kids who are going to be our future toymakers. Maybe awesome with that. But where we're at now his tough and and I think also as these kids who are a playing with toys and being a like you say like the future toy engineers future toy creators now now that they are having more interactions with adults who are openly transgender binary and kids that they are growing up with who are transient on binary that who can live openly. It is going to create more of a market because I think part of it is and you know like it doesn't all come down to capitalism. That was one of the big things that I I was getting from what we were talking about but the capitalistic aspect is there and ultimately. I don't WanNa say we need to show the Trans Non Binary people market but at the same same time. That is the quickest and easiest way to get to a lot of these people twirling their mustaches in their toys. Hours and honestly let's get the allies to do it right like you want something to do by transgender toys. By Non Binary toys give them to six gender people. Give them to your kids. Use them in your in your home's like to me you know ally ship is isn't really just like the facebook post. It's are you going to be the presence in a capitalist market society that we need which is to say. Are you going to buy the stuff by the A.. I will happily by all of the non binary things I can find. But I'm one person We need other people to also so show and to call companies out and to to prove that There's not only A positive morality in these waters. There's money in there too awesome. Okay so the other question that we usually ask the podcast addition to transphobic. 'cause I I I tend to agree with you Just to give my answer really quick. I I agree. I think like toys R.. What you how you make them how you play with them at the same time? There's a lot in them. And the toy. Aisle in general enroll is starting to move away from that binary and the more. It does the better in my opinion But it's still there are but the other question that we ask is is enjoyable so I guess I'm going ask of Vegas question. I've ever asked our toys enjoyable. Hell Yeah Toys. Are the greatest thing ever listened. I mean if people sometimes say that like I hate toys because I talk about them through critical Glenn sometimes and that is true. I apply that because I love them. I love toys so much to me. They are one of the great joys of life because think of it reaching back centuries in many many different cultures right. Our conversation has it's been very specifically western but In many different cultures we have figured out how to play. And the way we've done that is by creating little versions of ourselves else and imagining us as these kinds of avatars living in fantasy worlds. That's beautiful to me. I think that's a beautiful thing that human human culture has done some would say it's escapism. But I'd say what's wrong with that like that's that's great watching. Television is escapism awesome. I don't know what to tell you. Your your beloved game of thrones. Would you think that's a real right exactly so I I had this conversation all the time with people and like Oh you know. It's been awhile since I've been into a toy store down a toy. Or what toy do it just do it yourself feel that it'll be celebrating Yeah and I mean you. You don't even I hate to say you don't even need to play sleigh with the toy sometimes. It's just having it and that you could and I would even argue that that in and of itself is play because there's no singular definition of play a and I would say there are some toys that I have that are just on my wall and every time I look at those toys. There's just that joy that sort of plays through my mind and for me. That's enough sometimes. So yeah I mean you're exactly right. Just however you want to ingest that media do it yeah awesome. 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"Time's a Wastin'"

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"Time's a Wastin'"

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Soap is so give the chess candy sugar scrub try when you do use our code. How bound Cosette our friends is? It's GonNa save you a discount on your entire order for this week's episode Silly Lauren and myself talked about time and not the kind on the wall. It's the timing. Do you show up late. Do you show up early or do you show up right and time. Which one are you the now? I Clarke had some Margaritas today. What kind of Margaritas are they? Aw while I bought the Jose Cuervo low calorie mix new. which isn't that great? I learned it's zero sugar and ten calories. It looks just like Margarita. Mix that language and color and okay. You know So I don't know my boyfriend made them like I wanted a frozen one so I just saw him adding lemon juice and orange juice and I really didn't ask any questions but they were okay. Lemon juice and orange juice Margherita that happens. I don't know if it's a replacement for triple SEC. I think it was like a triple sec. Replacement added. I really. Don't know misunders Tequila in them. Does it matter exactly. Have you ever had one of those in one of the Margarita machines yes those are so worthy investment. Yeah I have one and it is amazing because it actually rarely yet it shaves the ice instead of chops it so it shaves it route. All my got it is so worth I think. One hundred fifty or two hundred bucks but it's worth it all day. Long mild okay. I'll be going to tomorrow seriously and you might even get. You might even get a deal Alana now that we're on the holidays. Oh Shit Irving you can make anything and everything in those mudslides. It comes with all different. Obviously concoctions you can and make with it for more of a make our own. Yeah we did when we do we do. We'll get together. It May Lake House over the summer and one of the guys is just like step for all sorts of different booze in it and it comes out looking like diarrhea but somehow it tastes good. Because I guess when you just throw Oh Lake fucking Margarita mix and are all those different kinds of things together. It's good the other thing you gotTa Watch out for so good at can fuck you up quick or one hundred percent because you can't taste the booze rate we used like hurricane mix of you ever heard of a hurricane drink gas. Oh my God they sneak up on you like like a Mo fo. You know you're old when you're hurricanes thou really I think so. It's an old thing. I don't think anyone under the age of thirty knows hurricanes. The thought there'd be like a Manhattan hit a Manhattan another all people Jerry. Yeah I've never heard of a hurricane old person during how I I feel like it is kind of an Alabama slammer to Bacardi one fifty one rule. See I think kids these days. Know what Manhattan is they've got to you know I just don't think they're drinking. They might not I mean. You're talking about millennials. Here you know. They're not like us. You know what I mean. They can't handle that shit now. Drinking's emas still. Well Fuck waclaw and waclaw exactly the personification of drinking US ask. We have made Manhattan's in the Margarita. Machine yes we have. All those are delicious. I bet they fuck you up in there even worse. Obviously because they're all booze you know what fuck up to. This is funny. It might be me because we went to dinner with ipads Eric last night and then my dad after dinner we drinking throughout dinner. And he's like well. Let's let's just have another drink and we're like okay in so I ordered a orange critical Martini which was really good And then he goes to my mom. What do you want to drink? And she's like I'll have a long long island iced tea on life. Wow die before your mom's always on your and make it a double it. I was like wow okay. What got in her? We need to hang out with your mom. Brass sounds like mom's not afraid they're out of control now. She not afraid now after they had those drinks. Did they want to stay out for more or they wrap it up after that wrapped it up putting the lady though like I mean at least for me. It was like tunnel on the clock. Yeah I'm invited like eight. I know speaking of feeling old. That's right to you. Keep you guys up late. I apologize so John met your parents. Yes was the first time no He's that my parents. Many times infects now every time he's here. My Dad makes his bitch so the new trim all so they're very grants. I feel terrible for him every weekend he comes up. It's a new project so it's okay shovel. Yeah I I went in the situation so I'm not planning you know what I was really surprised tonight that I kinda wanted to talk a little bit about and I've made mention of the sun episodes before and the fact that you were actually on time tonight Lauren. It was like seven fifty eight and we were scheduled to record. What at eight o'clock and you were an you like boom? There's Lauren Mike Holy Shit. Roure cavs I have a saying in everyone of my friends and family family knows that I don't do rate you are so like I know but like if you're late on dislike APP the fuck it. I'm always waiting for my friends if they make dinner plans or something. I'll wait in the parking lot for fifty minutes. Otherwise I'm I'm Oh fuck any. There's you can only get people so much tame especially if it's a planned thing like a few Gatland to meet your friends at the restaurant for dinner and they've known about it for a week why the fuck can't they show up on time well and that's the thing that I think is the rudest thing in the world because time is something that I really don't have an so if you're going to waste my time and then like you you know your cutoff. It and people don't think that it's brewed. They're like also you know I'm always late. Well no you're not because at some point in time you had to have been on time in your life. Anyone that has a job you have to time for your job right. Yeah you had to be on time for school. That was never time for school. Everybody has the ability to be on time. You just choose not to be because you have whatever it is time management skills or whatever but the end of the day expert like me. I won't tolerate it. I don't do late. Yeah I think that's what plays into a lot of. It is poor time management skills right because you pisses me off. The most is the fact that school you have to be on time to school. My daughters both have to be to school by a certain in time in the morning right. If they're not there after like ten minutes they start calling call now I get the idea like maybe they were walking to school or maybe something happened so they you want to check up on them but then when I have to pick them up from school they're always fucking late letting them out. What are we teaching these kids right? This poor tame management if you have a set schedule during the day for certain classes and certain times like the girls have The special it's called and so they got GM and are all this other crap and it three thirty to the announcement still having gone off. They're supposed to be released by three thirty and I'm like are you fucking kidding me. Like that's where what you just said really hit home with me. That's where I'm getting a little angry because you said they don't value other people's time I have to get home within like literally twenty minutes from town that's fifteen minutes away to get my daughter off the bus. And if I don't make it here on time Sir. I can't get her off the bus right on. Well that's just what I was GonNa say is depending how will your kid is. I mean if your kids between the age of twelve and seventeen. How do you know that? That child isn't responsible to be a younger sibling or get a younger sibling off bus. Exactly actly I I I don't get it that's a one one of my biggest pet peeves is here. We are with elementary school age children and we. You can't even fuck and release them on time yet. You expect them to be on time. Everything's so you're expecting the parents to have them there here by a certain time and chop chop and this is the way it needs to be run and that's responsibility but when it comes responsibility lying on us You know we. We ran over a little bit late. Not a big deal like what the fuck. No I totally agree and I don't know if they don't have like the bell anymore but I mean I just remember in high school. There was the bell after kicking. We'll fight no even if the teacher was in the middle of talking gang in the bell went off we would just run out of the classroom like too bad you can finish it errol well you know what if the kids in high school or even in Middle School Lake Lake. You said once they're eleven twelve years old. They're old enough to stay at home by themselves so they should be responsible enough to be home by themselves. Because he's I plan when the oldest daughter's old enough to be able to start leaving her here like next year near after going to take it slow or you go down to the store in town and it only gone for fifteen twenty minutes and then come back and before I leave here for long periods. But she's going to be eleven in May right. You know so it started make that turning turning point in if Eva was eleven or twelve and I missed her getting off the bus at that point. She's going to have a key right so she's GonNa we'll be able to get in the house on your own. It's not that big of a deal but right now. I'm at a time crunch like I got to be home to get her off the bus in if I'm not here the bus goes right in the socks. Yes absolutely but a lot of women and I I hate to just say it about women. A LOT OUTTA people tend to be late or tend to run late. Yeah but no. You're you're I think you're accurate in your first statement. It's majorities women. Is it a time management thing. I thank or is it just that they don't give a shit about other people's time. Well I yeah. I think it's cultural. I don't think it's women or men I think it's it's it's the US like the Americans like. We're very fast paced. We're very much go. Go go go. Time is of the essence. There's nine of time today. I gotTa go do this. I gotTa go do this. I gotta go do that whereas like you look throughout the rest of the world and like Italians are fucking rushing rushing around everywhere. The French rushing around everywhere. You know what I mean like taking fucking enlists. Yes doesn't share like they eat dinner like now. I think like well call one thing too. Is I think it depends where you live. Oh very much so yeah because down. South is a little lakefront will. Yeah and obviously they're scoring self but if you live in a city where there's a lot of traffic kind of really make plans for a set time if you're in New York or La because you've the second traffic committing two hours of just being stuck in a road behind three hundred thousand assholes. I couldn't live there. How do you even make plans? I don't have a helicopter right. Let's recall daddy trump. And you know it's so true but I feel like it when you grow up. They'll so your parents sort of teach you the whole time management thing like my parents raised us where the world does not wait on you. Nobody cares and you need to be on time and not waste other people's time so they would make us set our own alarms when we were kids and we had to do a math equation. Of what time do we need to wake up in order to get this done in order to walk out of the house at this time to be at school at this time so now. I'm in my thirties. And it's still rings true if I have dinner clans at seven I know okay. Live far away from everyone. Probably a thirty minute commute. How long is it going to take me to get ready until I walk out of the door and then I have to add the thirty minutes to get there so it's like an everyday thing and the same if I travel when I go to the airport? I'm like okay. What time do I need to leave my house? What time do we need to wake up? Do you know what I mean like. You need to figure out I literally. We'll subtract it like okay. This is the departure time of my flight. I'M GONNA Board thirty minutes. Prior to that same. We eat to be at the airport. Sixty minutes prior to walk say need to leave my house thirty minutes prior to that so you need to wake up forty five minutes prior to that is exactly what I just figure it out because when I went to Florida Uh last week were flying to buffalo and instead of getting up at three thirty in the morning to be on the road by four thirty to get there like you said ninety minutes ahead of time because I I like to give that buffer. We're staying overnight across the street from the airport in that way. Were there and I look at it. Is I am spending sixty extra dollars over the long term parking In order to buy myself essentially three hours of sleep like I did all that. That math. Right like okay. It's GonNa be worth it for me to just drive out there the night before I fly out. Then get up at three thirty in the morning and drive out there that morning Plus it's a little less stressful on the family. But I am the same way but I don't tend to get there right on time. I'm compulsive enough that I get there early in sometimes really early like we have some appointments with the girls where I've been fifteen twenty minutes early and they're like dead. Why are we sitting in the car? Now My cous- like twenty minutes early and they're like the fuck are we gonNA do is. We're going to say here and listen to music or something you know we can talk but you know and I I tell them I'd rather be early than because there's nothing more stressful to me than rushing just adds to all the bullshit we deal with in life having to rush around bound to try to be somewhere when you can just if you have good management skills you. Can you know like all right. I've gotta be take her to dance at this time. Take her to soccer. This time in the nave got podcast recording. And then I've got this and you just scheduled throughout the day and then you know how your day's GonNa flow it's so true and then depending on what climate you've given through. I mean my alarm clock for getting up in the morning is completely different in the summer than the winter. Because you have to count from driving snow you've snowy state share do so. I always have to leave earlier and it's not even know because Valia Tahoe but it's the people on the road that can't drive so the first time driving in. Yes so you have to account for all of that. Can you believe that there was a study done in. Believe it or not. It was done at Harvard. That people who usually run late tend to be a happier and live longer fucking nerds because they don't have a care in the world and they also don't care about other time so yeah they probably are happy. That's kind kind of it. They say what happens is people who are always late. Tend to be optimistic in. It's actually good when it comes to health because they're always positive and upbeat sir. They're positive about wasting people's time says it. It's what's funny is as says before you fly off the deep bend in. Berate them for their inconsideration. Take a look at their overall personality. And you'll find that they're more passionate enthusiastic and their overall L. Happier people that might be but I don't agree. You're not getting a free pass because you're optimistic give a flying fuck about anybody else. It's it's just not proper and I mean if you look at it if you know anyone that's in the military. They're never late for anything. No they're not and like. My parents were both raised by two Marines and you can tell because his I feel like I grew up on a Bhutia. We just being late was unacceptable. But that's the way that they were raised. And it's just you know what I mean like. It's just unacceptable. But I can always tell anyone that's in. The military is like ten minutes early to every. I don't know if you guys ever notice that. Oh absolutely absolutely and you can tell. Who has I have such a hard time thinking that it's time management problem versus just being an inconsiderate asshole? Because I want to the good vibe. That people aren't really that big of an asshole that they're not good team managers so I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and then the other hand when they come in all happy Jelly because they're they're all optimistic and passionate and shit they pissed me off because then I'm like this motherfucker. You don't give a fuck that he showed up to work one minute before. I'm supposed to be relieved. It's so true and but then the late laidback people are alike. All it's okay that you relate. It's no big deal. I don't I don't care. I was busy doing this anyways. Where someone like us very regimented mentioned unlike motherfucker on a time like I'm shit to do right? What comes onto philosophy? So let's say for example Kevin and I we start our shift to like seven. That's the ANA book time that you're supposed to be at work but I typically get there like at six thirty. I'm their past six thirty. If I show up at six thirty eighty five I feel very just because that's my norm right so in my mind shift starts at six thirty just because of the way that I was that's right. Yes my mindset. So it's it's not that I'm early I'm on time. Well I guess is the frost about it. When you guys were in? The academy was acceptable. He late oh no no no because we we live there so yeah so not have been good now now. I don't think it's a thing that you know for us and emergency services. You get that discipline when you're in the academy but that discipline can also be lost throughout your career. You know people get they just get they fall back into their own ways so well we have relatively whole Chitaun relatively relatively new guys and they say relatively new there about two years three years on. They're all super early right. Now that it'll be interesting to see what happens ten years down the road. Oh definitely definitely it depends too when you're in that work field through your supervisor is because we have some supervisors that are like listen if there's snowstorm we'd rather have you here. You're alive then you don't worry about being late just taxes but then there's other supervisors that are like no you better and you're stressing out driving crazy trying to get to you work. A lot of ours is done guy so if solely was running later if I was running late I would call the guy that I'm supposed to be relieving and say. Hey Bro sorry. I'm running a a little bit way. I'm going to be there about fifteen minutes late. I apologize and then you know whether you fuck the guy over. Because he's going to be mad about it or maybe he's like. Hey we're no problem. It happened but at least he had the courtesy to let you know exactly. I think that goes to the launch point to if we were supposed to meet her and like we didn't show up until twenty minutes after the time we agree to. She's like what the Fuck Sally like. Where where are you whereas if I took the time to at least call here we're like hey listen? I'm running late. But here's here's why gives. It shows her the respect of listen. I know your time's important. I'm still coming right but I ran into a situation so I think I I think there's factors that play into bowl scenarios now in that scenario Lauren would you hang up the phone with silly and then mother fuck him to yourself be like what the else fucking kidding me fuck financial again. I mean it depends. If I didn't have anything going on I would just be like. Oh sounds good and I think that fucking Asshole uh-huh but it also goes if the last twenty times we've event like we're both on time and everything and anyway you know what I mean there's patterns and there's other other things that are involved but if you're late twenty times and showed twenty first time then she wants to meet you right. You know what I made like I'd say F AFTER THERE'S MARTHA SCENARIO THAN JUST A. Hey He did a show up or they didn't show up right exactly where we are are. We can't use commutes as much of a excuse Lauren has a little bit further. Drive but you know. Our average commute is actually Salihi fairly low compared to some of the other and this is compared to some major cities and states. But what do you think is the worst city or state I I should say. State and will include Washington. DC in that as a state is the worst commute. What do you think so fucking Florida because everybody suicide nobody gives the Fuck California well at least Lorraine made the top five so you did not With the number one worst commute in the country is Washington. DC and believe that it forty three point six minutes an average I quit. That's worse in New York because New York's number two at thirty five minutes New York City. Yes not the state of New York. Well it's it. It says New York so I'm guessing it's could be all of New York state because New York City might be longer but the rest of the cities across the state with the Lower Commu tame bring that average down right note. I mean right. 'cause I mean fuck when I was in FDA and Y for school fuck. It took us an hour hour and fifty mendicant to Brooklyn from Queens Right which is literally like twelve miles right. Number three is Maryland to thirty point. Choice seven minutes. Massive to shits is three point two fucking muscles. I'm not a fan. I apologized any listeners in Massachusetts you've never showed up on our high listening scale so I don't think we have many there but if we do I apologize mass schools right. Yeah I mean I'm sorry Dr Looking at all they do the fucking ticket drivers. It's so true they have got ought to be the worst drivers in the United States. Feral fuck you and fuck Tom Brady but hi. Deborah in California is twenty nine point four minutes. You know what I believe that poll because when my brother was stationed at Chronicle for the Marine encor my parents would drive down there and they were like you don't understand how bad the traffic is. There and I thought there exaggerating but then when you think of it the couple times drill down to DC for police Once you enter DC. Yeah it's like an hour and a half just to get your hotel and you're already in the city to shoot show. Yeah it's horrible horrible. DC is horrible. I just I think it's they tried to cram too much into that district. Yeah in it's just it's just a it's ridiculous it's absolutely plus you fucking cities like literal cities bordering. which doesn't help? I blame the founding fathers. Let's not thinking about traffic flows fucking horses back then. Encourages Shit. Think they wanted to wait in line or so on the other end of the spectrum the shortest average commute. What would you go in? These are states only because DC was the only downstate. Technically what would you guess so. We go with South Carolina Allies L. South Carolina. Okay Oh my Lord. Were you drinking Margaritas today. Take in South Carolina just trying to come up with like the most daily left field. Actually Hawaii I'm going to go to Hawaii. It's fucking chase you. I change my name Laura and what do you think I'm GonNa Save Virginia Eh. That what's funny. Is Virginia. Talk to my parents last week. When they're on their way down to Florida as they drove down and they actually got stuck on ninety five? Just outside of Fredericksburg Virginia. It took them one hour and fifteen minutes to go one mile our radio when I talked to my dad he was so stressed out. He's like yeah we guy here he goes. We literally SAT ON I. Ninety five in didn't move. Move ahead it in park for fifteen minutes and then we'd make like an inch can yeah. I think it was just all the people going home from Thanksgiving. There was no accident or anything like that. All the snowbirds own peace out bitches. I hadn't fucking South Fuck Doc Dad but number one shortest average commute is South Dakota Seattle's close you. You said a South South South Dakota's sixteen point six minutes then Wyoming and Montana both were at seventeen eighteen point. Three minutes. Alaska was at eighteen point. Five minutes North Dakota eighteen point six minutes in Nebraska eighteen eighteen point eight minutes. See those are like obvious to me. The states would cause no one lives in Nebraska. One fucking loser who is in Nebraska like do you know anyone anyone who lives in Nebraska can you name me one city in Nebraska now leakers more than one. I forgot it even existed. It's my wife Dot Wyoming. was she thought it was just a county in New York. She didn't realize homing was a state day. We've got that going for US ed in Nebraska without looking and googly no I've no reason to go there those Nebraska anyways I got corn here. I'm surprised that Iowa was an an here because because I was like lonely town it is corn town. Can you name a city in South Dakota south. How Now these are no names states. Isn't there Sioux Falls South Dakota. Is that really going to have to Google. I could be making that up. I don't know I'll take it South Dakota cities googling at sue false that is one. Am I right got it. Yeah hundred points. What else is in? South Dakota sturgis. Motorcycle sturges Yup. See I. We didn't know that uh-huh between you and me well one of our captains at work goes there all the time. Now I'm GonNa tell you this and I don't want you guys to feel bad for for not knowing but a city in Nebraska Omaha. Oh you're right Omaha steaks Omaha Nebraska. You're right I don't no any other ones that are on here because when you're a kid you have don't you have to memorize all the capitals of every state I think so. They tried to make you remember that I never could. Yeah so I usually am very good at retaining useless knowledge but I guess. I didn't pertain that it's one of those things like. Do you really need to know just like the teacher tells you Matt Lounge ago that you never going to have a calculator with you on all the time. Yeah showed her while the calculators in our fine. So joke's on them. I sucked it Algebra in a fucking dropped out of Algebra in. I said you know I'm never going to use this and you know what I've never had to use. Is it so I don't really fucking care story. Fuck Algebra here's a city in North Dakota Fargo. Fargo Rally is as a ring a bell now yet Fargo North capital most populous city of course in North Dakota unless you hunt. Why would you go there Bismarck as mark? I knew that Bismarck North Dakota's capital See it all comes to mind when STOR DR hearing it. But it's not lodged in the back part of our brain of Shit. We need to know. Could you imagine if you actually sat around and thought about this stuff. He'd be elite for everything he would abso fucking funny speaking of late. We had six six days to shop for Christmas this year. Really is that just the way the Oakland Thanksgiving was later. Yep so you almost a week less. I mean to just put it simply. It's a week lesser shopping. Time right do you guys do your shopping now and and get it done or do you wait until like a week before I mean. Do you really want to know my answer for some kind of like the grinch. Oh yeah that's right. You're not a big Christmas person. Well neither AM I. I do to my best shopping on December twenty fourth difficult man. So you way yesterday you get the best deals. I mean. The box might be a little fucked up. But you know it's good. Do you get better deals by waiting. Sometimes yeah really is. I've always wondered about like the best looking package. Though why because it's been bought and returned. I would think you'd get the best deal on black Friday cyber Monday Jimmy to not in December twenty four th but maybe maybe you're on to something so the last one on the show notes on the clearance rack gotta get rid of it making room for all the Valentine's Day stuff coming in you're right because they will switch that shit over really quick. But I'm a grinch like you learn and I don't Like Christmas whatsoever whatsoever. I don't like the time leading up to I like the day I shouldn't say I don't like Christmas. In general I like the day. I do not like this time that we're in right right now where everybody's fake happy of so that multiple times on this podcast but I do however think can't be everybody's medicated. Yeah that's true everywhere antidepressants and boozed up from Turkey day that. Why can't I January because I should be an fucking depressants are antidepressants? Oppressing is Nicole before bed solid. Believe it or not I get benadryl before bed. Spend it or before bed silly. I I get all my Christmas shopping done before black Friday or just after and have done before Roeber desma. That's my OCD CD. Because I used to be the Christmas Eve Shopper. I was the one that went out on Christmas Eve and got literally everything I needed and I found myself that was really stressful. So I said you know what I'm going to go early and now my Christmas shopping done. I got nothing to wear Lau and now eight nightlife is less stressful right because of that so intern. I'm happier which run. The same of the year is a godsend because as I go from like a negative ten on the happiness scale to like negative eight instead so maybe like two or three four. Yeah two or three people. He full throughout the week. Reprieve from the fuck off. Yes simple is that but you know what I did do last week. That was really cool. Was I got to meet the grinch is doing. He's fucking great. I never thought I'd be happy to meet one of those characters but I learned about it about a week before I went in one of the guys at work. That's a Universal Gore in Disney. Goer is like they got the grinch there and stuff. I'm like no shit. I didn't even think about that so as soon as we got there. Mike I was on a mission to find him. Mike I gotta get a picture with the grinch so I got to share that on social media me with the grinch grinch definitely so I know you're wiccan. I know you probably don't celebrate Christmas personally. Or maybe you do. Do you does your family. Do you still participate. How does that all work? Also Christians Got Christmas from what my holiday is. You'll which is the winter solstice December. Twenty first right. That's where you get the Christmas trees and everything from and I mean historically Jesus was born in June so that the whole Christmas thing it just bothers me. I can't stand the whole presence presence thing because you're wasting so much time shopping for gifts and the money you spend. You're just going to get back on gifts that you don't need anyways but then you can't get all that time right so hate it. I can't stand it so I'll get my parents something because they know they always get something other parents think and I'll get like my niece something but I tell everyone don't get me anything because I'm not kidding you anything I can't stand whole concept of it yes and I don't want to go into stores go shopping. Do you like the day itself of spending time with family and kind of feel now. I mean when I was a kid I loved it right and I like the whole lights. I like the way the trees look in holly relates. Let Lights attached to the hell. I mean I've met Chris Tree already I have my Christmas lights on my house. LIKE SEQUEIRA ICICLES. I like all of that stuff but the day itself. No because you know you know the emergency services industry mostly you have to work it in. So it's like I have to work Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and then in between. Let's see my family who offered to sleep in around and have a luxurious day. I'm stressed in a time crunch and I can't get drunk. Look up at five am for work and so it's like on the miserable one. He donated it. pissed me off. 'cause thanksgiving I saw my aunt and she always always pictures about having Christmas Eve. Every year she tries to get out of. It always told us going to be in Florida. But she's really not going to be in Florida which might cancel it or she want what someone else to be like all. I'll do Chris so of course I at her house on Thanksgiving and she's drinking her. She loves blackbox. Churn as three right. And she's like you know all God have Christmas Eve this year and I'm dislike high safety here this every year and she's like well what are you going to bring the pass. And I'm like I have no idea it's a month away. We'll can you bring something with him in it. I work sixty hours a week and I don't Cook no like are you insane goes it was only just Haha and thinking to myself you know what I went. Why so my family working? Because he's doing it do nothing but aggravate like I just don't WanNa want to deal with it. You know what I mean Ooh Shit. That's funny yeah. I mean last Christmas I worked at. I worked double before more on Christmas Eve and then had to be up early to work Christmas Day and I was wrong. I was so stressed out. Miserable and my brother was like on the same boat is me. He's like I'm not doing it this year. So He's going to Florida in originally. I wanted to go away for Christmas for Florida and then I had to be other things going on so nets definitely probably GONNA be next year. I might just go away and then I get out of were. Didn't you just go to Florida. Like maybe like a month ago or so. I did the bill was that it was great. The game was awesome. The Dalton Salk we destroy them but I didn't get the hotel experience because because we went to Ross Salvatore's party the night before and it was free tapped shelf booze from five pm to midnight and I drank like an entire bottle patrol mace ace. Now who's Russ Salvator. Okay the rest of the tour is. He's like famous in Buffalo. He owns Salvatore's Italian Gardens. Like Oh yeah okay and then Russells cels pictures all over like the Buffalo Airport you know who he is so he's obviously got like a billion dollars every year bills Miami game. The hosts a party for a thousand Buffalo people that are bills fans with a top shelf over seven hours every year via you know somebody lake and that was the night before. Yes but you don't buy tickets. It's you unique tickets to get in. But they don't cost anything but you have to know somebody to get the tickets tickets. You can't just be Joe Schmo bills fans by invite only yes raced and so he you cram a thousand people into this bar so it was a blast. I went with like a budget. Co Workers Coworkers good friends with Bras. We got VIP tickets. We had an awesome time but we just drink way too much so how we all woke up Sunday and like couldn't even think about cracking. Open a beer kick the horse. It was bad it was so so bad that I didn't even tell gate but what I did. Do I got to meet this. German shepherd that foul on social media and that may hurt so that yeah that's so they did before the game I went I went to see him. Mitch cool while. When did you come home? Did you come back right after the game you stay until the next day. Yeah my may okay. Monday Monday morning. You didn't drink at all for the game. You were that hung over in our C. Yes I would've been I would've been back on the horse choices drunk. Say What's the day before it was that bad though. We drink that much Tequila Bikila Lakers out to the point. Where about midnight? We all went to go drinking literally since four. PM Right and my coworkers. And I it there was like twelve of us that it's evil and we ordered food and ordered like three shrimpers Margarita and a eight to shrimp burritos and my coworkers. Like you better take a sip of that Margarita. And I I was just thinking about it I was like I think I'm GONNA throw off. I had to leave. I was like let me know what I owe you. I'll vendor what you have to be. Oh No Berg went right to my man. If all super table now it was bad wakeup solely remember being like twenty one going like how motherfucker the fuck pass out at the bar on now. I know I'm thirty six and I would be. That guy passed. The Bar fucking exhausted all the absolutely we should go with Lauren. Next here too. The Miami game silly. That would be fun. I just went to Denver game a dead I was at. Could we get the Pepsi clubs seats that the heaters and everything. Those are Nice. Oh Yeah ooh Yeah Nice. Classy the bars serve the whole game in game. Same thing with the food to gain rouser worth it just for the bathrooms in Buffalo. Yes Oh yeah yeah. It's not worth it. Ask you gotta deal with all the Shit Bird fucking drunks. But I'm sure I'd like you. Probably the only one in the bathroom. Lauren in Miami because there was like I think it was just buffalo fans down there that it was only bills fans. The whole thing was built in. That's hilarious which was funny. Because I was at the dolphins game a couple of weeks before that the Denver game in Buffalo. And there's there's like same thing I think there's more dolphins fans in buffalo and there are probably probably are because fuckers up here just use them. mm-hmm is like a way to be able to go see a team in the warm weather. I don't really like the dolphins. They just say they like the dolphins so that they can have of an excuse to go to Miami two times a year so charro down there. It's all college. Football is me. You think Miami Miami you you have lost a huge huge athletic departments when I went to the Tampa Bay game last year in Eighteen They had a pretty pack stadium. Really I was. I was getting Prestia. There were a bunch of saints fans there too as I'm sure a lot of the people from New Orleans drove over. I don't know how far of a drive it is is but I'm sure it's not too too bad and yeah I mean the place was pretty full. I was surprised considering how many people talk shit about the Tampa Bay. Hey Buck near style. That was a good experience definitely better than any buffalo experience. I've had it's buffalo bills. They're doing good this year they are. Are we going to be interesting to see what happens. And they play my steelers super bowl baby a little worried about it. I saw Actually a some sort sort of thing on instagram. That they're going to change the time of the bills steelers game. Yeah from what he was doing something. It'd be the Sunday night game. Prime Time on Sunday night game dent into Dente. I feel like I'm like ten again now. Like watching all these bills like when games like the fans be happy the the players be happy. It's just exciting. Yeah so well. It hasn't happened in years so although my pants were when I was twelve don't fit anymore. The tiger striped ones. That's what the nineties were about. Actually all the fucking shit from the eighties and early nineties is coming back. I mean my daughters all love fluorescent shit now and vans shoes and buddy I Orissa genes. Yeah it's all come but we ought to go into business in just find upton that was popular in the eighties and bring it back. We'd be millionaires. Yeah we could bring back to my pet rock. Swatch Watch by Swatch watches my pet rack all sorts of goods motoring fund. Long Guards. I is it true. That lawn darts are illegal in New York probably long. Dark angels are now. Did you ever play Lawn Darts Lauren. No I don't know what they are haven't lived through these fucking things in there. They got a big like you know the ends the dark. How they got like the fins on them so these things have bigger fins on them like probably six inches and and then the end is literally a spike in what you do? Is You got to put out this ranked all spike. It's fine it's fucking pointing. You put out this ring and you actually throw the darts. Well there's a ring into the ring. Yeah you gotTa make it into the ring with fucker up. And the reason they're outlawed. Who Knew Yeah? I guess too. Many people died from wandered. So I'm I'm almost positive in New York doc Dr to illegal. Come across a call regarding launder but You never know you watch. You will now when three go ahead. Yeah Yeah we got reports of kids playing with laundry. I'm on the way back up at one three had to do. You can escape the the London or do you. Just let them go and say all right guys became confiscate them. You bring them back to the station and play with them. Hey guys look at these uh-huh I always take it with you right just like the underage drinking. You always take their booze. Obviously for a can't condone that shitty though I don't be keystone. I've lived that life. Mad Dog Twenty twenty and What else what's old English? The Bro College Kid. I don't need a slight it you know I thought Bush was making an appearance again. I thought I've seem some kids drinking this shitty bad member Miller lite Kinda went into like a funk where nobody drink Miller lite and it was like the Shitty beer and you don't drink light originally though like to Champagne Abuse Miller lite. Yeah Yeah Miller lite highlife right. The the champagne is yeah. The highlife beers even made the little bottle look like a fuck in champagne bottle yes back in the day. I like Miller Lights I had about. Oh six hundred dollars. At least week. They were bed. Is that what they get the only thing you can get their beer wise. I think yeah. That's true when she could go further south. Yeah once you get past like Pennsylvania. There's no blue light. There's number right Nelson you order a blue light and you get blue moon. If what the fuck is this. Narrow Lake Lauren's Margarita Appear in my abeer her twenty calorie fucking blame and mustard margaritas salary. Jose Cuervo no my the funding that. We should let you get back to those kind if I was recording a podcast and I had a Margarita waiting for me in a hot man. I'd be like I know you know what fuck you guys. I'm Outta here right. You know. That's where I'm going. I don't WanNa keep you late Lauren. I don't want to avert a calculated. I appreciate that stay true to John. I'm going to try to No forge this relationship and say look get. We only kept her for the allotted time. Line has benadryl kicking. How did you see you know me you too? Well so check I really. I got some more Christmas shopping today. All right well it was a pleasure talking working with both of you and we will talk too soon. If I don't we don't talk to you. Low have a great Christmas. Enjoy the day as much as you can and it works be festivals and I'll try happy days are ahead because we're almost through it a couple more weeks and we're all right. We'll talk to you. Guys Lead Lounge presents an evening box. I wrote this next song. 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Send in the Clowns

Talk Filmy to Me

55:38 min | 2 years ago

Send in the Clowns

"Today's poll. We're gonna talk about it. You know it's that is it checked to be playing a game. It's going to be clown. Guess what we thought of that. Coke down to clown and finally quantity. We're gonna talk about the crisis movie about a mixed type that was never told in a cloud where there are already too many film podcasts asks. You have to ask yourself. What's the harm in one more ordinary men armed with unqualified opinions. They talk filming to me. Hello welcome to the talk films me podcast film podcast bad news entertainment general coach john boy how you doing. I am very very good. How are you planning you had a good week. I spin and manic week. I don our first interview with an actual film director this week. Uh i want to talk too much about that because we're agreeing date went to drop that interview but it will probably the next couple of weeks that was really exciting watched a few films a finished binge watching netflix stock crystal age of resistance absolutely loved it highly highly recommend probably do a feature or something about that that we are in conversations with people that have worked on the film so t._v. Shows won't be something in that as well but i found something which blew my fucking fucking mind john now now you haven't you haven't seen a lot of these films of the muppets and stuff like that but basically around the same time just before the original original dot crystal movie came out those labyrinth which john for the uninitiated is basically about david bowie stealing child and stuffing his pants and frosting it towards jennifer connelly anyway. That's generally the just in front of a bunch of puppets and they decided to use it. They were so like brassica the money it's like years to make this film oh by tim though site brassica for money they just used one of the puppeteers kids to be the baby in the film. They'll silence jewish kid. It's just it's just kate. You need is literally. A toddler doesn't speak yes or anything. It's just the baby is fine. That kid grew up to be one the head puppeteers on dr crystal t._d. Show on netflix is lit n._s. This song that david bowie sings which is like you remind me of the babe babe babe able to power the power voodoo you do brilliant song checkout fucking classic and he literally has become the baby with the power and that is blue my fucking mind rowland. Oh you've been watching. I've been watching the boys relate to the pie halfway through the series yeah really it's very easy to follow but it's enjoyable and it's just been absent. Prime needed one night esther now. I i think my found the proper hit fifty nine shaft the cipher. Oh i'd i have to think about that. I'm not committing yeah but i want to see the rest of the series because everyone's absolutely raving about homeland is performance and it's. It's been amazing so far. I'm just clip so number you in f- five last night okay so if i say this is the splitter if you don't get it and if you watch the show you get it. Has the plane happen jet. Oh yeah yes how fucked up is that scene messed up but yeah completely messed up. That's why i kind of like about the show it's insane. Predicament less insane exciting in the context of the show and the main dude the average joe guy effing is doing an incredible job as well. Yeah ed how much fun is caller than having in that row. He is love in life man. He's yeah he's keeping things taken along you. Just just what's the invisible yeah. That's some great lines. You can tell the rye. Is i mean. Sometimes you're like oh okay. You know. That's a line to describe a huge huge plot point now. We're just going to gloss over because we have time. It's getting rushing through applause with loads but you don't mind because you know we ain't got time for that ban. Yeah i love it. Seasons who already got commissions before the first season came out that that was always a good sign and yeah he was. I think it was call. Lebanon instagram was posting up photos on certain stuff so exciting. It really is and <hes> yeah glad you you'll get in there and i talked to me when when you've got to the end of it and <hes> we might even do like a proper in-depth chabert. There's anyway to you. Let's talk. Fill me about our view this week. It's chat to take something happens to you. When you leave this town farther wave easier. It all gets the me <music> left. I remember all the been chapter. Two is the sequel to it. If the nineteen give it away which is basically a remake of a t._v. Movie based on a stephen king novel heaping up anyway so this film. The first film was set in nineteen eighty five. I do believe about a group of kids who live in a fictional town could dairy essentially there's an evil cosmic bean that is a inhabiting the town it's killing a bunch of kids and it is feeding off them and the kids manage to four the thing back into a whole with the understanding that maybe just maybe it will come back because it's on this weird loop cycle and every twenty seven years it comes back to feed off the living so basically chapter two is that c- cool set twenty seven seven years later now. I'm going to go for a couple of bits just to set some ground work as to why reviews during the school the ongoing to give it so first of all is based on a book in the book is a very very very long book and in the way flip between the original time in twenty seven years later in the book is it goes chapter one kid's chapter chapter two adult chapter free it goes back and forth and it does the same in the t._v. Show movie adaptation with tim curry playing the lead pennywise weird cosmic been in this they actively decided when they made this film to do it and so he passed first part being set in one thousand nine hundred five a bunch of great actors like these kids kids that perform. They're not film absolutely fantastic. We reviewed this back. In two thousand seventeen. We spoke very very highly very much of a surprise package and because because of that performance because of how good that first film was the expectations for chatto joe mature agree is fucking like high like skyrocketing high absolutely yeah. The first one was a massive here so in the second movie they've decided to first of all i had to recast the kids because they're adults now and they went out and got literal troll like ma best actors. You can find jessica chastain james mcilroy bill. Hey dr a j ryan just to name but a few and essentially as film film takes off twenty seven years later events is starting to happen in dairy again mike if you do remember him he was the kid who had the he was was he went the butcher in the first film and like the flames and and all that stuff hey stuck around into town and he remembers everything. Officing knows that this is a sign that pennywise is coming back and contacts the other kids aka the gang from the losers club site. You've got to come back to derry to do pennywise now. Ody's characters have grown ronak that moved on their lives to the point where they're forgotten about what has happened in dairy and there's a reason for that pennywise cloudy de judgment and basically mike convinces them odds comeback and as you can tell they have to take on pennywise so let's talk about this cast because this cost like i say is absolutely fucking phenomenal so you probably have seen chapter one on you might not have seen it recently sarwono bicycling just tell you what the adult actors are taking the rose from from what kids so jessica chastain is going to be beverly basically the red haired girl and this or the only girl in this is the and joins mcelroy's playing bill aka kit with if the stammer bill hader is playing ritchie aka kid from stranger. Things was fucking hilarious. Israel misfire is playing mike aka black kid. Ajay royan is playing ben aka. The fat kid james robinson is eddie aka the kid who was really nervous and not his mom was really controlling and he it was gonna get cancer every time he touched enough and andy bean is playing stanley aka to jewish kid. They'll go without the speed dirty adults that applying the kids versions at and and i do phenomenal performances jeremy fink that forms is great but i think the writing lets them down a little bit so first and foremost this film is a free our <hes> all fucking movie like in my mind horror movies needs to be not immunised out the door because it's all about pacing. It's all about building up about being that dramatic of things to john. Announce a big fan of long movies like a free al horror has that sounds sounds horrible flynn quite the why do they do these unless it's the shawshank redemption or the green mile and warrants it. I've got long gripe about modern movies that truly do not were warrant the two hour plus smart but that's probably for another day the definitely not my idea of a of a good night now and their mind the first film was quite long as well that was two hours thirty thing like nearly two and a half hours around that mark anyway and so yeah you've got potentially five and a half hours worth of story line and and is there five and a half hours worth of material absolutely but does it need to be on the screen. I don't know and one of the things which are kind of brushed up against with this film is that it really tries tries to remind you about these kids these original kid's and the way it does that is free flashbacks and that means they get the kids back to record these flashbacks. Now will tip my caps. The people that made this film because i generally believed that these things they put into the sequel must have been just on the cotton floor from it chapter one because the kids look identical and it has been two and a half years and seven and a half years when your between the ages of fifteen to eighteen you try and in fact they had to digitally change been wolford's performance to make him look like how he did it chapter one. If you remember watching stranger things from season one to season freida kids have grown up become gangly have become kim young adults and everything in between of that. It's patronizing. That sounds and it's amazing. The continuity is absolutely beautiful and the way the the adult versions of these kids like they can clearly say that. Jiang's condo looks like the kid from their bill hader. You can see a world where he kind of is ritchie and yeah. That's that's great where this film. Let's itself down where i've got this problem so ladies and gentleman named adam flynn had high hopes and nip in slightly dampered bup now. Let me explain as to why so the first half of this film is britain is just like the first movie. The tone of is bang on the thing is opening sequence that did i found very disturbing. Apparently is in the book so focused on the table not read the book i intend to when i have a month free because apparently it's a trucking long book but the opening scene apparently is in the book as well and it is tara told as well side sticking societe survey fair enough about halfway food is film they try and explore different ways of setting the tire specifically comedy to a point where literally this isn't a spoiler they randomly drop the needle for <hes> be my angel baby my darling doing dead pole and it was completely out of the fucking saying it did not work being there and yes bill hader is a funny man in fact. He's probably the m._v._p. Of this film probably best performance him being ritchie like he's he's a funny kid is actually a comedian so i'm going to bring my chops to this as well and he does to great effect sarkar. I can't dispute that part but the way the tone it gets almost comical. There's literally one scene where they're out the front of the house. The it's chapter one house and they're back there is adults and they go what what would we say normally a time like this and they're doing lots of jokes and riffing fitness like i wasn't prepared for that and it did brush up against me on that and also the film goes into this kind of like five acts and essentially find an excuse to take each adult version of these kids and put them back in net childhood homes or childhood environments in a nostalgic. I need to get something and you know again about going into story tribes. Essentially it's back back the kids to go a collector mcgovern. H put it together to make a super macguffin that will stop pennywise the clues in a trailer closer all over the poster. It ends wins. The idea is to kill pennywise album bill scott fucking amazing like hayes the creepiest man alive anyway as pennywise and he brings it back again up to eleven absolutely loved it but essentially i gotta take these kids putting back in childhood environments and i gotta find something help. They'll use to hopefully get rid of pennywise and because it's already been a couple years since the first film not a lot of time has actually passed in the public zeitgeist you mentioned the kids have grown appleby and all that sort of stuff and i had to digitally d._i._a. Something but truth truth be told a lot of people are still discovering his film for the first time. It's only become actually available on of networks on national t._v. Avail sky and things like that arnie recently for a papal. This film fills very new which means the sequel. Sh in your mind feels like this is just around the corner and the truth traffic twenty seven years later and trying to give that play of nostalgia but because it's a couple of years since the last film it it felt tedious and what they tried to do was vice any replaced some of the greatest hits from the first film but cranked up to eleven because the concept his pennywise feeds off your fear and obviously the fear that you'd have this child is kind what if different as an adult because you're now aware of death a little bit more spouse seinfeld repetitive. It felt like i've seen this before or i've just seen a lesser version or maybe even a better version. If you comparing chapter one chapter two sometimes so yeah i was disappointed with the length has disappointed with the direction it kind wing comedy wise and i found it a little bit tedious. Would i sign that wanna. Come out to cinema. Ilitch rep my eyes so it's like oh my god was that free dad. She went quicker but just another thing as well. Just before we get onto the good stuff they literally really try and shove it down your throat that these are those kids. James macro backwards bill standards so much like literally. I get what i try undecided trying to say when he's under stress like stomach gets worse and obviously the situation gets more stressful down the film they go but it was getting to a point where every line it was just like oh my god i get it your staff kid you would have kicked with the stammer you don't have to kate hitting on the head with it and that brushed up against me a little bit but all in all a foot foams is rhapsody fantastic. I really did enjoy seeing penniless back. The screen i enjoyed going back to derry it just felt like a little bit too much of a good thing and that's kind of disappointing by also in the book the stephen king universe it's so so interconnected because apparently when he was nuts in the eighties he decided to big very together and fucking stuck to it they do try and go a little bit crazy and try and explain some of of it but they don't go all crazy which means it just becomes all confusing so a lot of people walked out that cinema guy i get it and and when it's aspires to be the conclusion you probably should explain a little bit more showing us or telling us. I'm kind of indifferent to but i kind of wanted a little bit. More of this can occur horiuchi external universe 'cause it's pennywise isn't just the clown at all. It's a cosmic being from another universe. That's literally feeding off of the planet. He was calling himself itself the world eater at one point and you don't understand why and they there's just no no real explanation to that so yeah. That's me kicking it but now i did enjoy this film. A lot of people are surprisingly have not seen chapter. One before going in seat is highly recommend. You do see chapter one because let's be frank film but actually it means. It makes a lot more sense. The second film when you get in so i'm gonna have to go free or five is is not as good as the first one or the empire magazine have said it's a masterpiece think aegean gave seven the guardian gave it to five. I'm going. I'm going to say it down the middle of the road. It's good. There's some really good. First half essentially in my opinion is really great haida m._v._p. Just chastain. I thought she was good. I wish he was given a bit more to work with other than just dance. In distress who's fucked up like they re give her much of an arc from that perspective in my opinion but but yeah you know will this is still a great film and recommend seeing in cinema and i do recommend if he wants a complete loop just just time peer expectation slightly. It's just the first one was so good good. The expectations were so high for this one so they have it free at five chapter to it ends news there has been i fuck faulk law of traders over the last week before we get to try just wanna talk to some of the news things have happened over the last week or just before the weekend and handy at will. I absolutely love her. She's incredible. I'd love her and captain america. I don't think she advocates enough screen time in the e._m._c. but also she was in an episode of black mirror which was absolutely phenomenal is really creepy. It was the one about the irish fella who dies and he's mris takes his consciousness and puts it in a robot jimmy no one yeah she great great actor anyway. She is joining the next mission impossible. Move your should i say movies because the filming and back to back with the the narrative of they're very much interconnected not much better character yet but we've got people like elizabeth diplomatically. That's been involved. Rebecca ferguson off abc's. Tom cruise simon pegg at the cost of these films that congra- anyway let alone some highly involved as well so i am really pumped about this. I don't know where go guy at this because tom cruise is literally every stunt on the planet so the only logical conclusion is we send tom cruise to the moon are excited. Are you how you found fan yeah definitely especially at role in black mirror. That's probably why not best for yeah. Solid acquisition isn't it. I am is i'll swim. I mean director james. James recorded as side prolific <unk> highly recommend you follow him because he is such a nerd. He will literally like hill happily talk to anyone on twitter if he's got the time and he he's he's doing this big campaigns to get rid of motion blur until you and you got your applaud the kind of nerdiness about it but it's fucking coors man. It's like no. I built this film this way and your t._v. Is ruining that because because it is doing some weird settings over it you're fighting your crusade and good view and anyway crusade which unfortunately is looks like it's definitely come to reclosing to be honest. This is the last time i'm going to talk about it on this podcast because i've only talked about this at length and i think people get a bit bored of it but spiderman sony she has said the door is closed for an m._c. Return but john fat variety in a recent interview says he is cautiously optimistic on. Are you sitting there looking again she chart. There's two charts charts. You have on your wall one is can we reverse brexit. How meat is can we we do that in a second is what are we going to get spider man back in the such such a shame but john farrell cautiously optimistic so you know you never not yeah exactly the boys so attends on his head. Isn't there yeah it's very much pastiche whilst at the same time just just poking fun at in older right ways speak about jon favreau have you watch on netflix says his t._v. Show does who chef so good like. If you like food yeah. He's really really good so basically klay. He done a film like for years ago which actually watched a film films. Fantastic is called chef. It's about guess what a chef guy who works in a food van and he's basically actually traveling around america and he cooked scarlett johansson amazing pastor but he he the process he went for for that film was he hung around with a chef become really good mace ace and they decided to the t._v. Show where i just travel around america making food and i it. It's just something really enjoyable valuable asset. I find watch in food programs quite hard because if this music or it's visually stimulating than audibly audibly stimulant last great but if it's food it makes you hungry right and then i don't know about your cupboards but mine on full of the nice stuff the they have any shows all the time so you end up in absolute crap but that's my feeling. I'd like to know what people's feelings. I think is very love hate so food t._v. Shows but that's more. I'm usually with you but on this t._v. Show and particularly is great for people because it's basically jon favreau gang little black book of like i'm going to hang out robert rodriguez and we're going to talk about mae king city whilst we're making pizza and it's just like think of it as like a chat show. We've a cooking element to it comedians in cars drinking coffee but with food yeah but this yeah and not james corden inside right so that's i highly recommend anyway something. Are you a doctor who man no side but actually sign out during during an david tennant's run. When i was at university i did have a little bit but binge enjoy it but when that matt smith go i was in now the guy great actor. I love him in the stuff. I've i've seen the crown and and a bunch of stuff it just it didn't want anything to me anyway. Doctor who is a former doctor people are cutting passes right peter castellini or cappuccino. He was basically owed much to capacity and i should never do like teddy proximate. Should i don't interview anyway anyway but anyway i know him as the old guy in world wars he's joining the suicide. Sekou james guns movie. That's in the works at the the moment. This is exciting character. You could portray but this film won't quit right. It started out as a research escort was saying and yeah we get staffed. That's not bad up too much but then you go joins guns involved is higher and some interesting people idris al say and all of a sudden it becomes really really interesting and this is just another interesting. Take on that job and you're gonna give this guy. Is this the time you become a fan boy. I am a big fan. Appear capote actually <hes> particularly <hes> yeah mostly. That's how i discovered. The deed is the most insanely funny political comedy comedy thing check him out in it absolute potty mouth but <hes> yeah i mean he if he puts his name to something it's usually at the mark of <hes> eleve- apple quality so i'll give a guy flynn and that's my promise to you so oh year and a half ago. We reviewed the tomb raider array boots. We'll talk about it and one of our first cars actually when we talked about video game adaptations and stuff like that you remember when we used to the right proper in-depth analysis and stuff. We'll get no one day people but said ebb anyway we we enjoyed that remake butts basically the law insurance it was it had great moments. Take him from video games but it wasn't stitched together in a way that made it narrative stimulating enough to make a classic movie so i think the general public responded in similar kind taken a little bit longer than it normally would to rely rely sekouba. A sequel is definitely in the works and quite interestingly. Ben wheatley is guided directing the sequel and lisa alycia for candor is coming back to be reprising the role of lara croft and nick frost is. It's actually this as well because he doesn't. He has like an interesting to guns gun salesman in the first film which is kinda cool but no remorse and i think we're getting rimma back in this one the last year actually nine does it seems like the soul of franchise that won't go away flushable. It's kind of seems like it's it's just there and it's going to keep coming up every few years. Someone's pain to watch it. I haven't seen a good to maybe movie server so it. Just i feel like it's benefiting from abu in just a general film boom world might i films have saw that. Maybe wouldn't may degrade at one point actually does now because maybe 'cause hoffa china. Just goes goes crazy shit. That's a good point good point. I think a billion making a billion dollars a billion dollars is more money or overseeing mytalk life but it used to be a film past billion mark it was i all my god. It's fucking gone with the wind. Don't have gone wind of made a billion dollars. I'm i'm just saying that i'm saying it was such a such a high bar that only the very elite in terms of success and reach in canada would actually do and now it's kind of leica ever filmed that is kind of expected for a massive hollywood budget blockbuster to do a bit in if it doesn't do a billion. Dan is deemed as an absolute failure which justice league's a prime example. I'm not saying justice leaves. It could fill mind we gave the scoring deserve but that did make like five hundred billion dollars which in a world where five hundred billion dollars is not considered it a lot of money. That's fucked up so yeah. I do agree with you. I like us. I stand by my review. We gave it back in the day were great moments but took those great moments exactly from that video game vice you turn right. He got rebooted in two thousand thirteen and two great great acclaim. Everyone loved the new direction. It was very much inspired by the new games around the block staff stuff like uncharted and stuff like that very much cinematic experiences now cinematic experiences in a video game do not necessarily translate to a great cinematic experience on an actual. I choose cinema screen and that is definitely the case for tomb raider. There was some amazing set-pieces but again it wasn't it wasn't floated or stitching away. I think is ready for it yet but then wait is great director so he's got some interesting ideas guy with that anyway traders. I was gonna talk about the black. Christmas tried it because that drops in tweeden does us but then we went fucking everyone else going to talk about it and john suggested we talked about another netflix trader. Anyway and it's been a minute since we spoke about netflix john. What's this trade. He wants to talk about <music> so i don't know if you remember funny or die between two friends who've zach galifianakis now i don't know if i pronounce invite ono flynn. I think ashley ashley for nakas presented ridiculous web episode ten minutes show he interviews celebrities and he's really outrageously originally route to them and it's all scripted and they're burying on the joke as well. He adds everyone. He had some absolute coworkers using you. You know his address book so we got some amazing people. They completely laughed at themselves so basically this is talent into a movie which there's not just the interviews obviously going to be a lot of celebrities and love interviews. It's also a behind the scenes at the show him playing this character survey completes cenex cheese day guy who's just bitter however finger somehow gets these these and that trae let me be enough in many any places is netflix only as out that means. You're on your way to next week for its out so i highly are fitness is going to be a good one. <hes> i loved the original episode series. I think we're about to get a genuine unity. Good comedy on that flex so nice. What's it called was coca. Organ is caught between two ferns with nice. We should worship bang on netflix and see if they'll give us a screen for that. Definitely i'll check talk men on. It and i never tried it at dropped bad boys for life now. This is the film. I never thought i would see the light of day so this is martin in lawrence will smith of c. Reprising narrows of mike larry and the other guy and <hes> it was they had a time with michael by it was all about hey burn shooting electric guitar sex will smith porsche nine eleven. It was everything you loved and more and it was very much products time. I loved it. Circle byron folks she went on even more michael bay which let's leave that there but the tried out for the long awaited firt movie and it confused everyone by corn it bad boys. He's four life except when things somehow miss deferred movie but anyway john are you happy. This film exists bad boys for life. I mean taylor if that's the best guy i'm not. I'm not holding out huge hope. I'm totally rooting for world smith because we spoke about he needs a hit. I want him to have a hit so badly. I love smith. I don't wanna be watching out fresh prints episodes because i loved him because he's such a dude so i hope i've got hope for this but the trailer didn't fill me with light huge excitement and by did like the remix chewed the you know bad boy for life banger which never used in previous films they so as you're seeing 'em <hes> the jamaican e bad boys but yet psyched about martin lawrence too. He looks like the guy who ate more in lawrence in this film doesn't it. I'm not taking on a guy in fact shaming hangups here in this part. He does conduct not big momma's house though now does he's going to that transition but well hey. I was thinking that when the nine eleven posed at me that car used to be the fastest car on the planet in fact i remember dialogue of will smith literally just this is the bask car on the planet as he's driving it fucking dope seeing but now you can probably pick one that yellow secondhand car dealership critical but things it and the dialogue between is the magic still yes okay. It takes me a minute to adjust my sets to be is that martin lawrence but you know what those looking good for his age man from that perspective will smith somehow managed to travel back in time with as look though because i germany for a one point he was is becoming uncle phil so he has managed he's. I thought i've it's just great styling warlike just however managed to maybe use some of that germany mantech the a day. I eat them a little bit who knows but yeah well. If you got the same attitude that you have for the affection for the previous films you probably gonna lobby. I love the fact they've got the captain back and he's like he's basically being jabber last action or what's it called last action hero with the stereotypical captain who's just shot in my top. I'm getting married. I can't trust you. I've got i've got indigestion. I'm gonna drink some dope. This boy literally was the personification of characters. I loved it. You saw me up absolved absolved big. Will you've got my hill. Let's talk about georgia. I robert. Oh yeah let's talk about why tiki setting during the second world worl about a young boy who has an imaginary friend who's hitler nonetheless what should force we solve excited about this film but like didn't really not fill l. in the blanks in this trailer saw frozen allow blanks amazing cast so happy see stephen merchant in sort of comedic row scarlett johansson's heinsohn's and it's got taika waititi. Doing you know he's gonna be carrying this movie in a comedic way. I think i can't wait. I finished movie looks ext hilarious. I think solve there's definitely going to be some kind of message and i'll be here for it and i just you know you a comedic film about from the nazis sites involving kids think a win amman. I think this is going to be very great movie away and you know we're huge fans tikey not so i think <hes> excitement hopefully not too much silent but definitely time from this one. I love the fact that he's obviously he's of ceduna right in the moment. I think he's making bank. It's fair to say and he's sitting at full rack narped. I'm really really well and james gunn. Monnaie close friend of mine just been fired for some controversial tweets when he goes back but still you know and now i'm working really closely if disney on a bunch of projects right now but i'm gonna make a comedy about hitler. I'm sure that's going to go down but he thought he managed manage their party to hit. This looks so funny. I think the charm he has he is he's funny funny guy like whenever you about social media he addresses outrageously. He's he's always like coming up. Hilarious stories only served as a joy to the world. We need more people like him and he's support that start of comedy today he posted a video up on instagram couple months ago and it was someone has dubbed over an old hit the film and it was just basically z. Hitler received a note saying what a polynesian jews going to be playing me in a film. It's just like i love heat unknow research for the overall. He's famously done an interview about a month ago. Saying what research did you do for the wrong. Guys are non. I just think he's a he's responds. Well in full. I mean just from the trail you can seize full is like kind of slightly naive style to play hitler and bob. I mean and why would you do any research. Really is is going to be a complete is not our many about that. I guess he's yeah. He's just just a funny dude a lot of that being in and out of acting still so he was an actor before he was a director or before it was a no director anyway he was in films like green lanson like here's the body in that. I'm the best friend who you forget very quickly so overall but he's actually he's been costing james gunn suicide squad films. Well forgot it's mentioned as well yeah. He's in that now as an actor as well so he's still got you still grab issues to be in front of the cameras as much as behind and orchestrating straighten as well so is and where we're not yeah definitely man heavy say in the hunt for the world to people. I know evan even higher recommended so it's got a fat kid from porto in its <hes> and s._r. Horrible wise me as a white just described him. He calls himself that the films are on the dick but he's he's in that film as well and he's he's trying hilarious and briefly speak about that switch back there for a second a birds of a birds of prey the mass the fabulous emancipation of one harley quinn aka the longest film tartu history dropped estates traitor and i think think because i didn't see to try in front of each chapter two i assure you it was meant to be a teaser stuck in front of that film because there's lots of red balloons they try and play off of it and you see harley quinn pop up and then she smacks the balloons and say i've had enough of fucking clowns and they show very blink and miss it clips of this film. You're mcgregor's big bad in this plan black mask. If you know your batman law he's basically a gangster who gets his face fucked up and has to wear a black mask the very inventive of the names and yeah yeah well. I fucking love mugabe. I think she was amazing and so one of the saving graces in suicide squad with her performance and <hes> she loves the fact that she can she can she can do films like i tanya where she's like proper going for. It posed a packed in medford getting in narrow green stuff fuck. We'll do stuff like once upon a time in hollywood one bisi just dancing go. I will be harley quinn downplays. This john lewis is converted to the fan boy it or you pass why love margot robbie to do or as an actor say she brings. It just enhances anything she's in doesn't she one of those yes even when she's not in the greatest movie. You come away thinking she's. She's the good bit. She's you know up north so i think you've just described this reviews. Probably the <music> you're immigra- just the rep off knows he is going to be in the sequel to the shining directed by our boy car members nine but the guy who made the haunting of hill house won the best t._v. Last year and i'm excited about this trade the other night as the final try but this is a big trader. This is the one with lots of stuff in real red room stuff literally and <hes> yeah lots of nostalgia but lots of awesome. This is well. What was your doctor sleep trailer yeah no. I'm definitely <hes> we. I mean we talked about a while ago with the first trailer was it. There's a lot of the original and i think it's gonna pay ahah love homage to that so definitely catch up on the original before because i think we're a generation now where they classic basic movies. The older ones say many of them. They pass a lot people by so if you're younger if you are age the shining may well passed you by so i would i would catch up and i think this one will make a lot more sense yeah oh so again in the director's name apologies and i can't i can't do the whole goofing walser warsaw work because i literally only one china for time but the guy who made huntersville housing is making dot safety sapio also directed another stephen king add. Hey mike flanagan area guy. Thank you very much boy. So finding a great direct he has might another film previously with net flicks a coup gerald's game we review data as well and that is really good and it shouldn't have been good like it's just like the premise is is basically a woman in the husband go to a cabin that got to have some fun time in the bed and she chains into the bed. She he gets china to the bed. The husband has heart attack and the film is about her. What do you do your bed like. You will dehydrate soon. You are hungry in fact actually you're out in the cabin and you can't remember if you shut the front door or no and there are wolves out there and it's it becomes such an emotional journey for the woman mun but it also becomes a fucking for the audience because it just makes it dramatic tension so at euro against the counter 'cause if you don't do anything you will die and he just i he's got such a great way a building that narrative and intertwining stories as we saw with haunting of hill house and the sequel to that is going to be happening very very soon as mr flanagan's against busy boy better try dot com busily rebuilding the entire hotel sell the original movie as well apparently obsessively acidly which really kind of cool that that will get you the gangway now or you go to any like film buff film buff bar in london the amount of times i've gone into these various like screening places and devil tried studio version of that goddamn carpet all pitt anyway first world problems on violin flint better film places but the attention today's house dad like if if you're going to get given the keys to the shining because like you say a lot of people may have missed this film. We all know that film is we all know what it was based. Iced on the master of the master of horror somewhat awed actually agree that in terms of who's anyway yeah this is probably one of his masterworks and and to be given the case to the sequel which has literally launched so many careers and that i feel like that is a big big task and has a lot of expectation that comes with that and if you're in the horror our world remaking the bible you people so i don't blame him for wanting to make sure that everything every little details there but don't a lot you immigration carry and you're gonna. You're in good hands right yeah. I've got quietly confident with this. One hopefully very much looking forward to that you sound like me just before it chapter two on that show news predictably and john random question. I was <hes> <hes> managing took them with me. Twitter account follow it plays onto where families and i noticed spotify trying to be down with the kids and i tweeted something which spots bit of a debate which was interesting which was which song could you have a movie made about our idea exact wording was which song should have a movie made about it and i respond to her a couple of days. I saw a lotta people responding with stuff interesting topic on the podcast. Thanks for the content so my first four and a tweet the paper grade with me and people correct because i love the song life on mars by david bowie is a beautiful song. The fucking piano is just absolutely sensational and there is a narrative in that that song as well and as for our i'd love to see that mumia which is basically the back catalogue of <unk> aber taken for a narrative that last christmas movie that's coming out at the end of the eight asked by sydney taking the song last christmas and other sons by george michael and done that i'd i'd love someone to take life on mars and do the same now when i post the apollo two people go back to me on twitter. This is adam have you seen lazarus in my answer was yes. I actually have david musical absolute fantastic. Yes elements of that in their of also said people adam how you sing david bowie's fell from fell to earth and i said yes actually read the sequel that but anyway an empty about you know the t._v. Show life on mars. I was like yes. I know but still it's a great fucking like someone to thirty something with it. Well is your life life. Well sean preparedness. But what was your like your music man so this must be right up your i._d. What what song would you like to see. A film made from unquestionably mambo number five by lube base on an absolute manhole gore. I wanna i wanna know the backstory of these women. The east just mindlessly cheating on today mumbai number five in twenty nine saying i woke canal gonna happen. I'd have to say you know. I love creedence clearwater revival and proud mary. I feel proud. Mary's like rustic american brokered so old school song love to love for that one and i love always political songs. I love how credence of film about them that would be great green day for the same about american indian school and a pirate music was fucking terrible but yeah i mean this is touching. Go isn't it yeah. I love a lot of good options. You can pick any blink one eighty two song. You know that's just this yeah. I mean it's technically daredevil spies with american pie derek so it's about just bringing you got someone. Scientists site looks down and sort of i one. This is kind of cheating but i think it should be a great idea for him and that is you know right now. There's <music>. I forgive me spice nuts out there because i've definitely got this wrong but you've got the premise rightfully so there's a prob- i think it was one of the first probes we ever sent out spice spice or at least the most successful in terms of how far it's traveled out and in this probe we have put in a collection of and this was dining like the sixties or seventies again mudassar completely terrible in this a little bit of knowledge is a terrible thing as evidenced by and they basically filled this this capsule with a bunch of stuff off from human history from humans themselves and we created a universal language which has some grounded logic in which we believe if beings from another world discovered this we might be able to get a message across which is signed high coming out of us call and we're tightly light not dick's at ignore donald trump and they they put some music together and this music was composed by two amazing music artists composition oppositionists wherever you want to call it and took sounds of the most beautiful things in the world and they may distract and track had things like while music at the sound round of a baby being born at lowe's things now. Why is it will be an amazing. Film is not necessary to music itself but the story of these two artists meeting for the first time now the only time these two artists met prior to the recording was one one telephone call and i may have it was a man and a woman and they may have on this telephone co. Oh talking about the things i love about. Their own lives about human existence itself at the end of that telephone code. I arranged to me after that first meeting. They got married. There's something beautiful about and i think on absolutely flabbergasted film has not been made of that story of you because i know seriously is true that is one hundred percent true and literally to catch is like they made a mixed tape for the universe and and fell in love during that process and i think there's something fucking beautiful about dave and i would just say can't you do diana in a film or something uh-huh amazing and i thought the idea of that would be beautiful yemen. I someone hasn't made that then would maybe we should flynn a talk filming filming. Maybe original. We know that's the way netflix shown us yeah and we've got a budget of about twelve pound fifty. We'll use iphones and staff. Sign is making a load of film. These i find it can be done so anyway if you can think of songs that you think should make great films or stories behind great songs songs that would make even better films again. Contact was on twitter at took filming today <music> john with it being clowns the focus of the review. I fall out do a clown. I am i. It's been a minute since donna donna game. I'm calling this. One down to clown is pretty simple. Basically omnitel you some famous bill been clowns or clowns from famous movies and you've got to get the film so i have. I said pennywise you would say it. I would have accepted it chapter one chapter not to t._v. Maybe but don't worry john wayne not that kind of podcast. I'll give it a point. I got prediction. I predict you might get one or two hours of this because actually what i will think about clowns now whenever thinks about the clowns name whatever fox to clown and this is my moment. I want to give them their time to shine or the character in the film. The character in the film are so i'm gonna give you the name of the clown character from a famous movie the guest the movie or daca say i'm not going to be burgled. If i hear any type in or any form of shenanigans going gone you will be sent to the naughty step of film twitter house. Grab it but oh ooh speak wish. I literally saw someone posting interesting up saying pay having our may for pirating movies today my reviews by can't afford to go to the cinema. Maybe poder my patriot. I could afford to go. It's just like don't work like that. You break the law the or a saying. I can't be good food critic because you guys won't you pay me to go to a mitchell installed restaurant anyway. We all start before i get on. I i'll start before i get hounded but anyway i say first one. This is a clown called captain. Spaulding captains boden <hes> so he's in rub zombie movies. I'm gonna give you the point for that matter. He has he's needed to at the moment and the third one is coming out there. He sued house of a thousand corpses and the devil's rejects and there's going to be another sequel coming out very soon commun-. I'm going to give you that man rob. Zombie movies is enough. I'll give you that idea got off to a star off to a good start ed. You're okay so next one. The violator violate lighter yes. There is a clown character called the violator it a client. If i'm moving people not notice film. We're gonna be screaming at right now. People that don't know we the token old horror horror action. I i have no idea gone is doc. I think darkhorse at dark horse comic book movie spawn remember <hes> leonine sees a revolutionary in terms of computer graphics great acting a- as well right spot spot man. I got ladies and gentlemen viable voice. I've worked twice. He has a very interesting. Thanks very interesting prosthetics anyway the you should get this one as the guy is too spicy a t._v. Show but it became a movie so it qualifies crusty. Oh it's the simpsons movie crusty. The guy so to africa ain't bad okay so this is kind of a trick because this character was given has has has a name and it was given a version of a name in particular adaptation jack naper jack naper yet that was that's the person's name of clown in question. I'll give you a clue. Have you ever the answer to their own. The panel moonlights. We've used used that quote on this and i was screaming right now. Batman a batman returns batman nine thousand nine hundred nine. I'm i'm not giving you that man you you you. You're so close next one. I died expecting you to get this randy to clown randy. Dan the clown clown. I have no idea that's eight all right. Sorry for his former film clownhouse early eighties sam brockwell played. The character is pretty fucked up movie but what he went on to win an oscar so judge judge not to finish it off again. It's the clowns coach shakes. The clown was to name the film fill shapes. The clown shakes the clown. That's isn't that what the movies cold yes got a brain on john from shakes the clown and it was voiced by none other than the guy who would go on student voice of spongebob squarepants next time you watch spongebob squarepants vancouver of a psychotic murderous clown you smash that night i won- ally macleod some of these people that prejudice against clowns us begin is the mosque risk. I mean that's a clown right. He's a clown now. It's a guy wearing the mask of loki inheriting. The power of the norse. God is couldn't be any further away from cloud in debt for knowledge right well stanley it curse is my voice dynamic <hes> so hey guys sean you down to clown good work five seconds on to listen to this podcast. If you've enjoyed listening listen to it than just maybe you're willing to go a little bit further. If you click on the light follow subscribe wherever passionate means you'll get more concert from films me. We have more interviews lined up. I know i promised i missed one this week but unfortunately unfortunately great fucking interview but the filming question will be dropping in the near future and i'm agreeing with the publicist set director as to when to drop the interview so that's coming very very soon i also we'll be speaking to someone who literally did trader for what can only be described as the bible for star wars fans barcon. Go are into any more detail the not at this point but again. It's all amazing stuff so if you keep following us and keep getting involved as we get through more staff are constant gets better you get how it goes eddie white john boy my wing man the guy from episode one up until episode eighty four. How can people find julia lords. You can find me on twitter at desk manteaux utah so anyway as mentioned. A bunch of stuff is coming. We might be talking about rambo last blood as which can only be described as taken meets rambo it makes he's got saved the kid and a bunch of other stuff in between of that anyway steinfield me to next on by wchs talk fill me to me.

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2253 - A Place Outside the Law: Forgotten Voices from Guantanamo w/ Peter Jan Honigsberg

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

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2253 - A Place Outside the Law: Forgotten Voices from Guantanamo w/ Peter Jan Honigsberg

"You are listening to a Free Berge of majority report with Sam Cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes daily program go to resort he dot FM please. John Ready Rub. It is Monday January thirteenth. Two Thousand Twenty. My name is Sam. Sita this be five time award winning majority report. We are broadcasting. Live five steps from the industrial ravaged Ghana's canal in the heartland of America Downtown Brooklyn USA on the program Today University of San Francisco law professor. Peter Jon hose and bird on A.. Place outside the law forgotten voices from Guantanamo also on the program today Pelosi to release articles of impeachment later. This week says the the house May Subpoena bolden. Meanwhile McConnell Sandwich he stuck between his Kentucky voters voters and Pennsylvania Swing voters who have diametrically opposed ideas of how McConnell Donald should hold the trial in the Senate. Meanwhile trump administration tries to justify it still Amani assassination and protests continue in Iran over the Iranian government's downing of a commercial jet. Aw reported that Iran Major. US troops knew the details of the Iranian missile attack in advance. It's there are some rational actors. Sanders takes a lead in Iowa as all the campaigns go on the attack except for Cory Booker's as he is out while Joe Biden running hard from his Iraq war vote. AFC launches launches a pack to support progressives both incumbents and democratic challengers. In New Hampshire. Sanders gets a key union endorsement and lastly the heartwarming story of Donald Trump. Icing Matt Gaetz over his war powers. Act Speech all this and more on. Today's Today's majority report. Welcome lays gentleman to the program It is a Monday. Michael's out I think for most of the week on a personal fact-finding missions trying to find himself but Everybody else here. We have quite a week for you ahead tomorrow tomorrow. Night will be the last debate before the Iowa caucus so this is it it As we head into the debate and of course we will get to all the rigmarole over the weekend. Everybody's opening up their their OPCO DRAWERS ARS and they're sort of late Late game strategies it is at least in the context of of The Iowa caucuses which really do tend to set the tone for the Democrats that's in particular for whatever reason. The Democratic Party in particular Iowa is a huge huge Well I don't know which are to say causation. Correlation but it correlates the winner of Iowa correlates very closely a to the at least in modern times to the winner of the Democratic primary. Of course who knows. We're living in a very strange era but people are trying to people are putting the pedal to the metal as it were and We will get into that. Of course well also talk about impeachment. The the I mentioned the other day that tray gouty had written written opinion piece that echoed. I've been saying for months about impeachment not to pat myself on the shoulder but it's these things are far and few between so when they happen. I WanNa make sure that I have pat myself on the shoulder but there's an interesting piece about Chuck Schumer you know. In Classic Schumer Style will take the least ambitious ambitious opportunity to maximize the value of impeachment to the hopes of Democratic Senate. In the fall all the he will take the the least risky the least upside the one that protects him the most I we live in a blue state folks. The reason why you would want theoretically a senator from a deep blue state to be the Senate minority minority or majority leader is presumably because they have the freedom to function in a way that is actually going to be good for Democrats nationally and we can see this constraint on Mitch McConnell final. He had he still manages to do it. It is It is literally been like years of watching. The Washington Wizards play the globetrotters hoped trotters. But we will talk more about that later. In the meantime the trump administration is still in the position of attempting to justify their assassination of castle Mani and and it is. It's stunning. Frankly this is a great opportunity for those those of us who are trying to curb the institution of the President Presidencies power to wage war to take advantage of this. There have been many opportunities like this and sadly that's specifically in terms of war Powers Act but across the board whether it's protection for whistleblowers. Whether it's any number of of initiatives that could could be taken to take advantage of a the general disdain for Donald Trump up to use that as a lever in which to get reforms across that we couldn't get across during Obama because everybody trusted Obama at least on the left and at least in on these issues Silence so it's civil rights in whistle blower protections excetera. Hopefully we will get more in terms of war powers act resolutions as it were and I think Bernie and Senator Mike Lee are working on a joint resolution and it's helpful to use people who are so incompetent now. The story that is being leaked now. Is that Donald Trump authorized this months ago and they just needed. You did the right time. I say bs this is there is an entire project to make this look like this was not donald trump sitting living in his office thinking about how he could get the story off of impeachment and these Lunatics Mike pompeo Ao and Mark Milley and secretary of Raytheon going in and a and seeing an opportunity and knowing that the mad king might just be mad enough to start a war fortunately for us the Iranians it showed a certain amount of re rationality. They made sure that our soldiers as reported by CNN today were aware not specifically the soldiers. Whatever the leadership of where they were going to be firing these missiles and so these bases were essentially evacuated at least the areas in which they were bombed here? Is Mike pompeo trying to figure out how to answer this question of Donald Trump on Friday. They sing four embassies attacked. My Casper is his name. Mike or whatever it is mark s spurs over the weekend saying well I. Didn't you see any of that. But if he believed it then I believe it like it like we're talking about Santa Claus or the Easter bunny money like when there is an imminent attack on four of your embassies. That's a fairly specific claim. It's not just something. Well we take it on faith could have. Here's Mike pompeo's getting a little frustrated at the fact that he has to answer questions brave Savo here today putting yourself that the imminent threat was a threat to us. Embassies precisely when or where last night the president said it was a threat to embassies embassies including to our Baghdad embassy. Why can you say that here on? The president could say that a rally in Toledo but no one said it. Lawmakers behind closed doors and the classified setting multiple senators have since. Then we get you said so the lie that we've talked we told you about the imminent threat all of the intelligence that we've that did you've heard today. I assure you an unclassified setting we provide in the classified setting as well because you told them that embassies were sort word to be targeted. That was the threat. I'm not going to talk about the details of what we shared in the classified setting but make no mistake about those big. Tell first of all if you're saying it publicly. Why can't you say that we said that during the classified like there's no new information here it's just that when it really counted like you're not going to tell whether or not you told the senators when it really counted and the the big towel is just go back a little bit? What does he say like? I want to be absolutely clear. What is the? There's the towel you know like when it's like look it's clear you know I'm lying so so I'm going to say something that is going to start that is really meaningless. But it's going to sound incredibly authoritative and definitive. Well he slips between the guy says did you tell them or did you say that. And he says it it was provided and they have access to that information. So that's where I think he's right. It was provided publicly. And they have access to that information but we weren't going to say to him directly because they'll know relying and they'll call us on it they'll say show us the proof because you can because we we're allowed to see the proof we get we we told we told you about the threat all of the intelligence that we've read that that you heard. Today I assure you an unclassified setting we provide in the classified setting as well clear. You told them that embassies were sort word to be targeted. That was the imminent threat. I'm not GonNa talk about the details of what we shared jared in classified setting but make no mistake about it. Those leaders those members of Congress who wanted to go access this same intelligence can see that very same intelligence that will reflect report described you and what the president said last night right now with all the money gone. Threats are never gone great. It's always a lot of danger and the world will always always a lot of danger in the world Throughout the region nobody believed that a single mission in any respect took down the risk of terror tear from tear from Isis terror. From Al Shabaab. No no no one believes that president doesn't look at the list though. Look at the achievements in the administration. Yeah don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining here. Third is Mike pompeo trying desperately to make it look like This wasn't just simply. Donald trump trying to divert attention from impeachment At the risk of a a a a massive war and you know a one day I don't know maybe we will. Maybe we won't. We will hear the story of Mike Pompeo and And Mark Milley and Mark Casper's uh-huh figuring out. Hey we're on the same page. We all think we should be doing this. And let's give it to an option to donald trump trump and then it's just a question of we drop a bowling ball. Let it roll down the hill. Unfortunately fortunately the Iran's we're savvy enough to realize like Oh we can we can stop this bowl from bull a ball from rolling and it's not as if we couldn't have stopped it from Bo Rolling but if Donald Trump's manhood was challenged enough off and he saw numbers that said. Oh they've actually bombed us. I need to strike back now. Then then it's off to the races so Mike pompeo mission unaccomplished. We'll see if they get a second bite of the of this apple but I don't know I doubt it do you. You think that the war's unpopularity played a role in trump backing down on this as well because he seems completely driven by people liking him without a doubt without a doubt I think he I think trump was aware. Well look. I think trump was aware that a war would not be helpful. Tim and Geraldo Tobin on Fox News. Well Maybe Geraldo talk but I think he can he can read polls and I think he thought he he could look strong and it would be you know and and I think he was told that I think had had the Iranians responded by I. I don't know what maybe I don't know if it would be blowing up our embassy or Uh or you know having some sleeper cell attack the US continental us us. Maybe the polling would change in his calculation which age but I want to remind people Ronald Reagan was able to stop that that ball from rolling when he pulled out of Lebanon after two hundred and fifty. Some odd soldiers were killed in a base in Lebanon. It's always doable. But he's a lunatic. He's surrounded by lunatics. Who knows but I think yes? The in this instance they would know the failure to create a narrative leading up to this moment is helped all of us and I think the fact that look. There's a certain amount of war weariness that I think the public is is but you can't go out there and say we killed the number one terrorist that you never heard about. I mean it just doesn't work. He wasn't even on the plane cards. He wasn't on the plane cards. There was no. He wasn't part of the axis of you know now the troika of evil or whatever you know the construction they were going to have. Yeah just didn't work folks we're still all in January was the only a couple of weeks saul was asking me to the the weekends like like. I just said Happy New Year to that guy. 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I'll be talking to professor Peter Jon Berg on his oral history you of Guantanamo Bay. A place outside. The law forgotten voices from Guantanamo disturbing stuff but very important for us to keep in mind uh-huh quick break be right back after this Bye on off long. We are back Sam Cedar on the majority report on the phone phone. It is a pleasure to welcome to the program professor of law at the University of San Francisco author of a place outside the law. Forgotten voices from Guantanamo Antonio Guantanamo professor. Peter Yon Hoenig Zberg. Welcome to the program my pleasure thank you and let me be another prison to wish you happy New Year. Well thank you and happy New Year's to you as well thank you let now we are now. I guess two days out from what was if I'm not mistaken. The seventeenth anniversary of I guess the formal opening of the detention center in Guantanamo Bay in the eighteen. Th Two thousand and two okay so that was that was basically four months after or just not even four months just a couple of months after we. That's after nine. Eleven September eleventh to January eleven and added its peak. And I'll get into the details but I WANNA put some of the numbers down I at its peak. There were seven hundred and eighty people or or that's correct over over the almost two decades there were seven hundred eighty some people and there are forty two as far as I know remaining or people remain six of whom who will be tried and then and the other thirty four are basically in prison for life without ever being tried well actually true. They're convicted one was sentenced to have his waiting to be setting so there are two others there but they're twenty. Six people who called forever are prisoners. There's not enough evidence to try them and convict them because the evidence they obtained on these men with through through torture but the government somehow feels that these men are dangerous and they can't release him so basically the there without charges and never be prosecuted no convictions and probably dive at never having been charged which is unheard of no countries in the world has ever help people for that long without charges then the five other men there who were actually Could have been released by President Obama but for various race reasons warned released in time and now in trump of course won't release them so maybe if they were a Democratic president here she might release them but at this point there. There's well okay. We you just outlined before we talk about how people got to Guantanamo. Automo- we you just outlined for us like why Guantanamo was chosen. This is about a forty square mile patch of land in Cuba. It is not Cuban per se it is basically our little outpost. I AH in Cuba We just explain that to people because I don't think that that that that people are fully aware of this dynamic and then talk about why it was chosen which is in part a function of it being such an odd piece of land actually the turn of the last century we use to control of that forty mile stretch from Cuba and contract with Cuba where they would Pay Cuba two thousand dollars a year in gold for the lease and then they Cuba tried to get out of the lease but the least said that either. The country can maintain the lease both countries have agreed to cancel it and of course the. US Won't and Cuban won't accept the money anymore but the US keeps paying them and the US just keeps the land in Cuba of course cannot go in and attack the US to take it back so the US controls that land and they have have for more than a century and after nine eleven the government was looking for a place where they could house the captives and they wanted a place that as reasonable. My book is called a place as the law. They wanted a place that was outside the Lo- where they felt the federal courts could never intervene. Lean and that they can do whatever they wanted to these men and no one would be able to stop that and so they actually looked at places all all over the world including putting men on ships and there were just too many men to put on ships and putting them into the basis around the world but they decided that there are a lot of advantages and going to China one of which was close to the US mainland so that officials military officials could fly down. There were necessary and also because they believe since he was caught on Cuban soil and there was a US Supreme Court decision from nineteen forties that seemed to indicate that that these men might not have any recourse and not have the right to go to court to challenge their detentions. That was wrong. But at that point that's with with the federal government officials thought and that's why they chose Guantanamo because there was this sense that the government had that at this is neither fish nor fowl. We we are we're in basically I guess international waters as it were. Even though that we're we're essentially we claim with authority over it. Nobody you know. If you're on a boat in international a I understand how the legal legal logic could have worked. I mean it's under. US control but when did the Supreme Court ultimately decide that. Yeah that theory. Sorry all right. That's not gonNa work but actually I decided in two thousand four and I can tell you cute story behind that and the US government mint kind of challenges. They didn't it was based in the spink said that the detainees had the right to challenge their detentions in federal court under a statue within statuary habeas and the federal government said. We're going to change the law there and consequently still keep the men from challenging their detentions and so the lawyers on behalf of detainees went back to coordinate two thousand eight. They came up with constitutional decision. Which said that the men had absolutely right under the US Constitution to challenge their detentions in court and that was pretty remarkable? The government never should've let them get to the constitution because that has changed the law can't be returned. So that's what happened but initially there was two thousand and four very early decision given that the war began in two thousand and one and for the swing court to step in and war and decide that the Manhattan challenge the detentions. But they did. And I'll tell you this story. Sam wanted all of the no one expects US take the case and one of the lawyers who appeal to Pinko to taste the case. A man named Tom Wilner lives in Washington D. C. wrote in his brief to the court to take the case that when the Cuban Iguana is in Cuba it is a delicacy and can can be eaten but if the Cuban Iguana subsequent under the fence and coming to Guantanamo naval base it is protected by the endangered species. She's act and so will argue that. The Cuban Iguana had more rights than the men in Guantanamo in the courses. Pink Cord never touched that on paper right but we often wonder whether that had some impact on them. Oh that's fascinating And what were what was the and I want to get to some some of the The the the the people you talk to and and sort of like the the basis of the book in just a moment but what were the implications for the prisoners in Guantanamo Of that legal decision like how did their their destinies or their our fates in their trajectories change because of those legal rulings unfortunately after the first legal really not much changed I accept that they had now a retro loy before then laws were not allowed to go down to the base to represent them and so they were completely at the mercy of the. US government wants. That decision came out it entitled him to an attorney at least once attorneys came down they had a little bit more protection in the sense. The attorneys could observe what was going on and so a lot of the Torah much of which was psychological seemed to become much more limited. Did after that first two thousand and four decision but because of the US government did a Lotta machinations which it too complicated for me to go with you over the phone. That wasn't a whole lot of success on challenging detentions subsequently from two thousand and four. It wasn't basically it wasn't until two thousand. Ah with a later constitutional decision that it made a difference. I will tell you a couple of things along those lines Sam since you as a lot of lawyers believe and it seems to be true true. That essentially lawyers didn't help the detainees as much as they would have liked to that. In fact people who released from Guantanamo. Were pretty much released. Because the the administration decided it was time to release them. The courts tended to go with government in so if the government challenged and if the the the claims of the detainees they released usually the courts afraid to quote release a terrorist tended to side with the US government and the Washington DC. Court of appeals are very conservative sided with the US government and every decision. Consequently these men were not we released by the in courts they were released because the US government decided it was time to release that and there were lots of political reasons why they release them when they did. Sometimes they released him because they whip a members of our country or our country that President Bush wanted to join his allegiance against Iraq and he just had but then to be on their side so we'd release them as a favor to the country so a lot of political and unfortunately the lawyers got very frustrated because they they did phenomenal job. They work really hard. They were very passionate but at the end of the day that costs tend to side with the US government for fear that quote they will be releasing terrorist. Who didn't want it on the hands? I will add something else Sam just so people have a context. The seven hundred eighty people in Guantanamo. A large. A number of them can't say but it's likely a majority even were purchased by the US government. They weren't quote captured. What happened was the? US government job fly. Fly is over Afghanistan after nine eleven and the fly is said that if you bring us al Qaeda and Taliban fighters will they will pay you and they paid three thousand to five thousand dollars a person so essentially anybody who is a stranger. We'll even tribal enemy was an and with money to anybody on the ground. Who could grab them? And so and we purchased everybody who they to us and so a lot of the people in Guantanamo would just people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and people made a lot of money selling them to us. Why do we know how many of those people exist and and and and I say like what what was? was there any vetting process. So I you know I'm going to military command and in a Kabul or Bog Rahm airbase and people show up at the front gate here. We've got this guy. We tied him up. He's al Qaeda. Okay here's your three thousand dollars. was there any vetting process. And then what happened to a lot of those people because most of this torture began In Afghanistan. That's correct. Both of the physical torture at Guantanamo detainee. Fini suffered was most severe in Afghanistan and there was not a whole lot of vetting. They pretty much thought that whoever they had could be a potential terrorists that was a terrorist. They didn't really early Betham all that much. Most of them were just put in these big tents and a Helluva tied up and tortured and then ultimately plane center Guantanamo if they actually captured someone who was a thread they sent him to what they call a black side to see a black site round the world about one hundred twenty five never there was no official number but approximately that number of people were sent to places around the world and severely tortured by the CIA or by proxies at the CIA for the rest of the people were either in Afghanistan Afghanistan. And then I'm pretty much sent to Guantanamo. They figured they'd vet them in Guantanamo which was naturally. All that happened happened is like I said a lot of his politics All right and so your book is essentially an oral history. You have been working on. This is for at least a decade at this point. What was what was the impetus for this for this book Doc? That's a great question. What happened was back in two thousand and eight? When President Obama that time candidate Brcko bombers running and John McCain running Republican Republican Party? Both men said that they want to close Guantanamo. And actually president. George Bush also said he thought Guantanamo should be closed so it seemed like in the air. It was going to happen and my concern. I don't ever since nine eleven I had done work on terrorism post nine eleven and it seemed to me that yes they were probably going to. Whoever became president was probably going to close it and I was concerned that these these stories of Guantanamo would fade away into the dustbin of history if you will and there was no narrative Guantanamo very little written tobacco channel by that time and no one had really told full length stories all histories about Guantanamo? And once that close it'd be over. I felt left and so I was excuse me as long as you asked. I was actually inspired by my father. You probably know the Shoah Foundation which Steven in Spielberg started in the nineteen eighties. He wanted to document the Holocaust and there were Holocaust denies that time and my father had not been an But had barely escaped from Austria just in time and he was one of the people interviewed by the Shoah Foundation nations. I happen to be present when they interviewed him on camera film and that inspired me. I thought we should do that too. We should film these all all his people. Both at detainees were there and Americans who were there. As prison guards interrogators interpreters military official sial government officials people who saw it from both sides and so I was very fortunate. There was someone who had a small foundation in San Francisco Cisco who bay area who often me some money to be able to go to five countries in two thousand. Nine interview sixteen detainees. He's got the the project started and eventually we interviewed one hundred fifty. Eight people both detainees and others over that decade telling the stories on film and no one else has done that in the world of course and we have over three hundred hours film that we donated the Duke University Human Rights Archive. They'RE GONNA put most of it up on the Internet. Did you at the time when you started. Did you anticipate that. Ten years later in the that Guantanamo would still be open that there would still be more than two dozen prisoners. Some some of whom will just will die. They're actually you know it's funny you ask that. Even though I thought it I will. Maybe these men will close Guantanamo. I also don't trust what I hear even from people who have good intentions and I felt that I don't know I don't know if that will happen in someone even from the Obama Administration when he won the transition team in call me up and said Look Peter Look We. We're going to close Guantanamo and we're going to hold hearings and you don't have to do this and I said well I I would love to know that's true but I'm going to start this just in case that's match and so I was still doing ten years later and so so it's not that I'm cynical even skeptical but I just just know the way politics works and I it good example. That SAM is a lot of people when we tell people what we're doing. A lot of people said well Guantanamo's closed. I said it's not closed. Why do you think that? And it's because President Obama said four times. He was closing Guantanamo. People leave if he said it he did it but he never did and honestly. I'm not sure we want to go into. But it wasn't just Republicans blocking income that reason why he'd never did but beside that he never did and and so even people with very good intentions. Don't always follow through and and I felt we had to do this for history. I do actually want to get into that. But let's first talk a little bit about talk a little bit about some of the the of these Spoke to yes and and you know the thing that I was struck by was I talked to To advocates of of of abolishing the capital punishment and one of the things that they talk about. Is You know you never hear the stories of and obviously they shouldn't be centered right. I mean the EH. The victims are but you never hear the stories of how the people who actually kill people how how it impacts the executioners and and there's a quality of work here that I think sort of like brings that out as well but let's start I mean I don't know if there's a detainee that that is that that sticks out in your mind that is most relevant. I'm curious about hearing about and I may be pronouncing his name. Murad benching Benchellali. Yes I mean he was French and he's he he was kind of naive. His brother actually had some connections to toews organization and went off gas and he encouraged Murad to a follow him. Murad was a young man and fact Sam there were. There was some number of juveniles in Guantanamo. who were over sixteen? There were few under sixteen but most were between sixteen and eighteen and they were held as adults and Murad was I think eighteen eighteen or nineteen but he was naive and he kind of followed his but the to Afghanistan and then was caught up like so many other strange's in Afghanistan and purchased list and brought to Guantanamo and he was miserable one of the reasons why he caught my eyes because he was in very depressing. We interviewed him the first time we interviewed him the second time as well and it was because he felt that what he saw in Guantanamo was much worse for him than fiscal prisoner was a psychological the logical prison and I don't think people realize that a lot of the torch. The physical beatings were done Afghanistan. But when the men came to Guantanamo they were more psychologically tortured and to Murad into most of the people. We interviewed detainees. That was worse as one other fringe. Detainee said to us once you pull out the knife start to heal but with psychological torture. You've never heal and the rapid the UN repertory special repertoire offer. Torture told us that after fifteen days in isolation people usually never come back fully and so these men were held in isolation sometimes for for more than a year and they also there were also other ways that they messed with these men in in ways that Murad Express. You just couldn't come back from it. There was something called frequent flyer where they took these men and move them to a cell at let them stay there for two to three thousand house and came to him and said time to move and move them to enter another sell for two or three hours and then came back time to move again. They did that for two or three weeks of the men never got got any sleep and they just removed from cell to cell and that was called frequent phineas done as well. I can go into other ways psychological culture please do. They were told that they were GonNa go home and they were dressed in street clothes they were going to put on a plane and go home and then they would kept in another camp where they were told to getting going home and then they never were going go home and then some days later weeks later they were they were taking them back to their cells and said I guess you're not going home and then another man was told once that his mother was on his way to Guantanamo and she was going to be raped gang-raped if he didn't start talking and so it was so it was in terms of how they mistreated these people they did. They took away what they called comfort items. Where if you didn't behave you didn't tell them what they want to hear? You even denied toothbrushes toilet paper if you will whatever it took to get them to be just more miserable and took defeat into feel like there was no way out in fact some people said there was no way out they were. They thought they were the rules. The the rules in the prison also changed day to day. That people who in charge just made up rules as the day went on and so the men never knew what to expect from moment to the moment and they also played with another way. When we detainee a week is the week is now? They're the Muslims in China when we get told us that they came to pick up his meal and ask for a spoon. He said You'd never gave me a spoon today. And they said yes we did and he said No. You didn't so they brought in what they call the Earth Force which is a force of sixer Gods that come in and Mace Ace the detainee and then beat him up and carry him out and bring them to isolation and and the he said they did that they probably knew he didn't have a spoon they did. Just throw them off. God they kind of want people not to be resisted not to fight back and so you never knew if you're going to be earth did not and this is another even though it might be. Physical and sapphires goal to people is really more psychological. Because you never knew when you be earth it would just happen for leases. That were not rational now. I know that you spoke to a whistle blower and that there is Some military guards you spoke to. was there anybody who you spoke to. Who or have you learned subsequent through other means that how how systemic this was I mean how when they when they start this like frequent flyer program as they called it or when they would put someone in isolation for that had extended period of time or or do any of these things were they were? They were these people where the guards with was the commanders. Whoever authorized this I mean how how high up the chain did it go in terms of authorization A.? M B How how studied was this or was this? Just sort of like Something I learned when I was a working at a jail. You know. uh-huh private prison in Pennsylvania or something like that I mean. Where did these ideas come from? Well you know I mean it's it's an interesting question because the obviously it had come from above I mean prison guys are not going to take a kind of initiative on their own. Someone how to tell them to do that. And the question is how high up from above whether Donald Rumsfeld He. I didn't know about some of the torture that were done Guantanamo whether he instructed these particular methods of whether people below did honestly. That's a great question. I don't know the answer the two that I do think it was very diffuse and I do think it was very clear that people have the option to do with the need to do to get Intel. What they were afraid of what? The government is very frayed of is another nine eleven happening on their watch and they wanted to and they weren't that concerned about these men other than then had intel et wanted it and so on some level the government officials military. I didn't really care what was done as long as they got the until. That would tell them if there was going to be another attack not so they pretty much the interrogators off on their own. They let the prison guys on some level off on their own. Basically in the hope that a detainee would quote break although detainees didn't have information of course 'cause they weren't important but but they're thinking was maybe they had something and they were breaking. Tell it and we would stop another nine eleven. has there ever been a public claim by the United States that there's been information. Asian obtained from any of those Guantanamo detainees That has prevented a terrorist attack. In this country I think President Bush. She says something like six hundred attacks prevented thanks to the Intel lead. He obtained or the government obtained through various sources probably for black sites as well as through Guantanamo. But it was never documented and no one ever believes that if that was true semi was I haven't seen documentation to say that have you seen any documentation for one. I mean this is I mean I asked because you you know just this week. Donald Trump is. They're saying that they're you know four embassies were were about to be attacked imminent. There was an attack attack on four embassies and the media is being skeptical of this but it wasn't true so as we said that he didn't have the information in but he believes it if the if the trump believes it and but my my point being that you know I I was doing what I'm doing now during this era and the credulity T- that was given George George W Bush in making these claims that Bush administration making these claims is stunning when you know the idea that we are now ten years out from when he made that claim more probably twelve years out when he made that claim. And there's not been one single all. I owed a shred of evidence to back that up. I think is is pretty amazing And I mean that's why I say it like the the credulity that existed instead amongst the press and just sort of like a largely. He could say six hundred cases you know that we stopped six hundred terrorist attacks. And that's the end of it. Everybody just sort of says okay. It's it's stunning. Tell us about Matt. I'm not sure documents this because long ago but I think Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was going to take some planes and possibly do some more explosions on planes. I'm not exactly sure that works. I don't remember the time line I left. There was something about that. That might or might not be true. But that's one of the theories that I heard and I'd have to look that up after we hang up and you can look that up to fair enough and so. Let's talk about Mattias Mattias. He saw what was going wrong. They're very early. Who was he and he was a lawyer who works for the government right in Guantanamo in in his job was essentially to kind of cover for the Pentagon in Guantanamo and one day he received a he he was copied on a letter that a human rights lawyer and in New York City at the center for customers or right sent to the Pentagon asking for the names of the detainees and Matt was Diaz was copied on it and the Pentagon says I? It's classified. We can't reveal the names and this really upset upset Matt because he felt that a lot of the loved. Ones of the detainees thought the detainees dead. What happened was when we bombed Afghanistan lot? A lot of the men escaped to Pakistan or tried to escape to Pakistan and were captured but some of them died in the bombings of course in a lot. Her family's thought that their loved ones had died. And so they didn't even know their loved ones. Were alive and yet their loved ones were alive in Guantanamo and so mad felt that if the the US government was never going to release the names which is by the way violates the Geneva Conventions than these families would never know that feel loved ones or they're so mad felt belt depending on wasn't doing maybe he should and he knew that I was a violation of law. He knew that if he was caught he could easily go to prison but I think he felt he needs to do the right thing as he said to us he was on the wrong side of things and I think he felt that if that these families would never know that their loved ones swing on time Oh and he felt they need to know that which he adds something. I mentioned the G. Conventions President Bush said in February of two thousand into that Geneva Conventions do not apply to Guantanamo this Supreme Court in two thousand six hundred. Actually they do but in the meantime. They didn't apply when Mattias not as did this. We decided he was going to download. The names of the detainees in Guantanamo. CUT IT up into small names sheets of paper and put them into a greeting card and send that greeting card till lawyer New York and the next morning mad left the base but a year later he got caught and in was tried and serve. Serve six months. Could've gotten twenty four years but apparently the military jury seemed to understand where he was coming from and and he only got six months in prison. He lost his license to practice law in Kansas but actually last year in two thousand nineteen. He got his license to practice in the city. And now how he's in New York a defense lawyer so you know He. He's back on his feet and it took him a long time to get there. Can you talk about the the the development of the term enemy combatant. This was one of the fun things of that first decade mccade of this new this new category of of People Essentially Sam. I really appreciate. You must have read the book you at a large part of it. I'm very impressed. Thank you because obviously as really intelligent questions I appreciate it. I'm the enemy combatant from day one when I heard that term I said that's that's not a real term. That's a bogus term. Those things under Jeevan conventions you either lawful combatants Toyota unlawful combatants. Say like a spy but that that is the universe of combatants. And there's no such things any combatant that's generic term and it means nothing and yet the government kept using it and they use that because they wanted to circumvent the Geneva Conventions because they didn't want to get caught. This Bush said that you don't apply so it drove me nuts to tell you the truth because I knew that was. I knew somebody had come up with that term. And it's not ah true and I wanted to. It was and no matter how much research I did. I couldn't find it and so when I started interviewing people in this this project I asked me military president of the United States. Do you know where that term comes from. I didn't expect an answer but I just thought I need to find because I'm history. We need to know that it was fake and finally just by chance a very very smart man man who worked for the Pentagon who is very highly respected he colo- I'm sorry we you were just just you dropped out for a moment. Who is highly respected very highly respected military officials in the Pentagon named a billet sow marine? Betty worked in the Pentagon he worked for both Obama and Bush. She was a very bright very wonderful person. In in that field. We interviewed him. He agreed to interview with this and I asked him that question too and he said matter of fact I came up with the term and he told us how it happened. He said that he was he was prepping some. US officials for TV newscast and they said we need a term and we can't use unlawful combatant because that has kind of patients Jeeva convention so they said to bill it can come in no time and he said well you can use enemy combatant if you want. But it doesn't really mean anything and they said okay we're going to use it and the administration grabbed it and ran with it and that's how God life and legs in a used it. I mean every possible. I'm way into that term now. Is that recognized by the courts in other words when they try to make the case. That like look this guy's an enemy combatant baton therefore none of the laws that we have apply because no one's ever referred to an enemy combatant before because of course they've just made that up. I mean that categories was minted specifically because it stood outside of the definitions that existed. Do Courts recognize that as a legal we'll classification now. Because I remember they even said that about like Jose Padilla at the time did hey said about as and this guy who's in Chicago and seven American citizen. Yeah I mean what. What does any courts recognize that? I mean if if you were to if you were a lawyer from you know the federal government you came in and you you said the episode an enemy combatant with the judge say. I don't know what you're talking about there. Well I would hope that if a government lawyers said that they'd be a lawyer representing the person who's being being accused of being a combatant and explain to the court that in fact that term has no meaning that under the conventions which do apply to us. We signed the convention's as as every other country in the world has that is not determined in fact Obama did acknowledged that in fact and we combat. It's not a term and tried to go back to g conventions when he was president but just the other day. Sam I heard somebody used that term again. It might have been for the Mirani General. who was killed in so a it seems like it's on everyone's mind still but it's now now determined? I think of anybody does go to the court with that term. I'm hoping that that's a lawyer for the other side would say in fact it's not it has no meaning. There's there's there's a lot more I want to talk to you about. Specific individuals lawyers from the Center for Constitutional Rights. Back in the day. I used to interview Michael Ratner quite a bit There are others. There was a a one person who was literally nickname was king of the tortures who managed to be found not guilty When he was brought up in court but Folks should should check out your book but before you go. I do want you to address the Obama. Administration's attempt to close Guantanamo. And how much of that was how much of that was a function. The argument that we heard from the Obama Administration was is that Congress basically stood in the way that there was a fear mongering Sort of like I guess initiative if you will to try people in New York mark that if we hold People in New York federal prison then New York becomes a target again If I'm not mistaken Chuck Schumer and you can correct me on. This came out and said we can't have that here that type of thing but there was a lot of that but but you tell me the story as you know it well. That's a separate story SAM. I mean it's true that there was a lot of pushback when Obama tried to bring some of the prosecutions in New York in in fact the prosecution is very very very very very very very few people with fast commuted out of seven hundred eighty people so that those few prosecutions really have have no bearing on closing the prison. They only obeying on a few prosecutions. The extra closing and the thing is a different issue and Obama said four four different times during his eight years in office that he wants to close Guantanamo and he claimed that the Republican would let them and and and that's because in each appropriations military appropriations bill. There was a clause that said that Guantanamo could not be closed closed however no one says a very few people say that Obama signed that bill every year and he didn't have to sign it now of of course he had to sign a bill to give funding to the military and the Pentagon but he could easily have gone to Mitch McConnell and said Look I'm not signing the bill until you take that provision out and he. An Obama didn't do that he didn't go down and negotiate and deal with that for various reasons which I can't tell you because he's I don't know he didn't do. It happened year after year after year. He signed the bill that allowed the Republicans to forbid even closing one time. Oh so when. He said that he wanted to close Guantanamo. I think he really did. I think he really did but he also did not follow through. We could have part of it was that there was there were there. They could not figure out a way to deal with the prisoners right. I mean like that the the idea of of of housing him stateside And putting them was too onerous. I guess in terms of like finding a a suitable prison and returning folks to their homes to their home countries was also off the table. Yes or no well you know. He didn't have to go there because if he was forbidden from closing. It didn't have to worry about what you just described. I mean you know. If in fact he had the option option to close it where he wasn't restricted by the Congress. He could've been thought on what to do with these men. I mean as we said most of them were released anyways only forty left so in fact they weren't all that much of a threat otherwise they wouldn't have been released. An Obama released a number about two hundred men as well. So the fact is I'm no he you know. At some point he could have dealt with these last forty the rest of we're out anyway so he just it but he didn't give himself the option by San ability. He didn't give himself the option to take the steps needed to close and he understood even said at one time was a stain on America. It was you know a stain on America people. You know I will tell you this salmon you know. Some of the detainees we interview. You said to us that before they were brought to Guantanamo they love the US they thought the US was the standard the golden standard for human rights and the rule love. They really believe that. And then they see the way we treated them and Obama understood that he totally understood that and he could have said. I'm closing it down and and figure out a way to deal with the last forty people. It wasn't that hard. If we got rid of seven hundred and forty people they will only forty left but he never gave himself the option when he signed that bill every year. That's my feeling well. The book is a place outside. The law forgotten voices from Guantanamo. It is it's a it's two it's a disturbing read to be honest with you But it's hugely important and people need to have a better awareness of what What we've been doing thing for twenty years to Folks you know actually I have one more question. If you'll indulge me do you think what do you think that that Guantanamo taught him. Oh has done to our has. It had an impact on our national psyche. In some way. Why has the when we talk about? You know a Martin Luther King said you know when a bomb goes off in Vietnam and explodes in cities here in in. The United States has what we've been doing in Guantanamo jet weather it is how it's impacted our our our court system or whether or how it's impacted just our our vocabulary. The idea of enemy combatant this this this fake The sort of extra judicial or extra legal status has it has it impacted what we are willing to accept in this country sampling. Smoke after say. I really appreciate this conversation. Is You ask very intelligent question. I really appreciate it. I don't always get that. I really do financing. I gotTa tell you two parts to it. The first part is that whenever we went overseas everyone knew about Guantanamo. Everyone everyone is back on time. It really mattered to people in other countries all the time it was shocking. Because then I came back to America like I said I would tell people in America. They thought it was closed. They didn't want to think about it. They didn't WanNa hear about it. Essentially is such a stain on our national pride. People didn't WanNA know about it. It was too painful a and it's funny. You said my book is very disturbing. People always tell tell me that they. They're so glad I wrote the book. It's so important for history but it's really so sad and one woman said to me. She gets so sad addi- so mad when she read it because it it it's against our nature you know we really believe in doing the right thing. I mean we really cabot doing the right thing. We do the right thing. And this is one of the Dhaka's periods in American history where we didn't do the right thing and people like to and deny that or at least not acknowledged they don't want to go there it just not what they want to see. They'd rather think it didn't happen right. So these things very disturbing like you said and therefore they'd rather think it was closed they'd rather not address it and unfortunately we do. We can't move on. I mean really I mean some people think you know that was just a start of would allowed. I'm trump to get away with what he's doing. Essentially we have to acknowledge when we do the wrong thing and come back to correcting we did that. took a sixty s as with putting the Japanese Americans many of whom were citizens in internment camps and we need to acknowledge it with Montana Motoo and I think when we do we'll be a better country three and a more unified country and the country that we were will we all believed in human rights law no matter what side we're on. We all had the same same values and I think we need to go back there. Peter Yawn Huggins Berg. The book is a place outside. The law forgotten voices. This is from Guantanamo. We'll put a link at majority dot. FM thanks so much for your time. Today I really appreciate it. Thank you very much timers. Honor a real pleasure. Thank you thank you all right folks are not sure. That was the best thing to do on a Monday but really disturbing and I you know I think the I you know I haven't you know sort of been on this Bandwagon for a while but the inability of our media and our political system to deal with the lies of Donald Trump. Were and maybe I my. I'm limited by what you you know. My my the scope of my political awareness at least temporarily but whether it was George Bush going up there and saying we have forty six hundred terrorist attacks from what we've learned by torturing essentially torturing people at Guantanamo almost an attack per detainee yes and Or frankly weather it was some Republican. You Know Arthur laffer saying that when we cut taxes raise revenue. I mean all of these things were simply allowed to just sit there and it was either out of fear or complacency or some notion of like you no careerism or whatever it was but our media largely. We didn't get a chance to talk about cow Rosenberg. Who is who has been reporting on Guantanamo for maybe a decade and you can follow her work on twitter? She works for I. I don't know if she's still with Miami Herald but she's talked about in the book as well now. She works for the Times. Don't just the failure to hold George Bush to account for these things and this that dynamic that the professor talked about in like having this horrible. We'll dirty secret in the closet that like everybody knew was there. We just occasionally had to go by and just make sure the door was still locked. Walked these things in the aggregate damage National Psyche which is not say that obviously We don't have a history and didn't have a history of of of of horrible nece whether whether it's you know what we did in Vietnam or you know the the institutional racism in this country where slavery or the genocide of of the indigenous people in this country but there was like Whoa. We kicked it up a notch after two thousand one where even like To the extent that we had made any progress progress or self-awareness at the very least to have shame about certain things there was multiple years. Where rush limbaugh made millions of dollars off of his show by talking about club Gitmo? I don't know if this is something that you guys remember. But they were t shirts. This was an ongoing enjoy that they had on that show like they're getting better meals down in club Gitmo that I mean this was a marketing campaign. Hayne four that movement and I don't like it you know and and it was. There was no. There was no pushback of any significance. I don't think that the vast majority of people in this country outside of the conservative movement. We're like aware of if they did. They pooh-poohed it but you know when you have millions of people who are celebrating the notion the club Gitmo kind of psycho. Do you have to be to celebrate that I mean you. There are so many of them. This is what it was in two thousand four two thousand five I distinctly remember him doing like Produced Audio Packages Club Gitmo. Oh Cub and it was like an ad for you. Know for clubmate. Here's some copy. There's no better place than club. Gitmo Club Gitmo. The Muslim resort. It's a tropical paradise down there where Muslim Lim extremists and terrorist. WANNABES can get together for rest and relaxation. Jesus Christ I mean this is and this was not you. You know a small sort of minority of of of people. I mean I was having this conversation over the weekend again like this was coming everything we see now. Pre Pre tea party. Here's more of it club. Gitmo you tropical retreat from the stress of Jihad still voting Democrat. You're stuck on stupid club. Gitmo staff parking. I mean this was all the. WWW DOT rush limbaugh dot com on these bumper bumper stickers. He was selling. This was his audience at this time was in the probably tens of millions fifteen million people was it nine. Eleven scrambled scrambled. Everyone's brains like that or was this something more pre existing it was something that was pre existing that was then nine eleven was like a an Allergen and I mean but you know limbaugh had been doing this for twelve thirteen years at that point and had the base in sort of the base of people who were convinced that You Know Hillary Clinton had Murdered Vince Foster. And then doing this is when I had this conversation with somebody this weekend actually and I forgot about this episode. Frankly from the tea party right and I'm like no no this is this is pre tea party and it. Ah There's nothing better than like this as an example. That's all I got like. We didn't know what was going on. Gitmo it didn't take a lot of you didn't have to be a super sleuth to know this. I mean I was talking about on the radio but there was just it was not kids. You know to the extent that I would go to dinner. Parties people didn't want to hear about it they didn't know about. It wasn't something that they were gonNA argue about. And meanwhile the other side of that conversation is this t shirts hats bumper stickers i. I think there were senators. If I'm not mistaken now as I recall call it Republican senators who are getting up in the Senate talking about the three square meals. These people are getting down at Guantanamo and and Better than they were probably living in Afghanistan. It's still live up on their website. Actually there it is. Yeah they still have it on the website probably still sell this day. Still have people in Guantanamo Bay Club. Gitmo still open after all these years at the pleasure of the president. I mean this is why I say it's the Republican Party the conservative movement. It is true that That Obama always too weak to close it but I do think it was true that he wanted to throw something something. If wishes were horses well L. Indeed but there is a like a material difference between celebrating it with t shirts. My mother went to club Gitmo when I got was this lousy t-shirt they have a lot of variation and and an inability to prioritize it as a political project particularly when the country was. You know this is your country and you're the president you WanNa Close Gitmo and this is your country. Country that detainees are equally detained whether people are wearing the t shirts or not. It's true it's true but I guess I'm talking about both not. Not just from the perspective of the detainees the psyche of the country. And this is the point I was making the other day like September. Eleventh Event Changed Our culture in profound terrifying ways for a pretty long time in some would say that the effects are still lingering. Hi some degree so when a similar kind of attack happens on another country we have to imagine that it's going to have an effect on their yeah culture as well I would think I mean this is the sort of thing why we think. 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"Over movie episode of Games my mom found I Mike Alberton and who's with me tonight Stephan. Jd US can think of anything touchy no. I couldn't either so stuart awards us to do okay okay. I'm going to introduce what lovely movie I picked for US tonight. Because this was essentially my pink we're trying to think of a more of a horror movie. Do that was the game and learn a lot choices along on the dark house with a dead fuck both of those movies and we're debating non resident evil with events but we did ended up settling on resident evil goal degeneration the animated movies. I appreciate you messed up her name. Might the gender is so forty off. Who I kinda wish we've done that. We Will Win Towers in it I I. I don't WanNa do those movies. I WanNa do all six of them and Stephan doesn't have a choice but to join us just because we need his commentary for them so hard Shitty on the far. Maybe as well anything you've able as your head no worse the resident evil anything you have to be careful though because we talk about you may bowl he might try to box because apparently that's fucking thing now. He's trying to box. Everybody says movies eighty will be cut on the movie he can. He can spot us out and all the social media. We'll get more hits that it's hard to balk seven billion people though we are covering resident evil generation it's a CG motion picture movie that Ashley Canons of the story that came out in two thousand eight the first films. I don't like to now. It just placates too many of the tropes resident evil to like. Let's just get into this cleared up his babysitter of the year in every single story she's an and in this one she's even babysitter as well and Leon in this one I mean it's the same voice actor for resonated before but this time he sounds like he took like two volume everytime report them I'm Richard this before but Claire Redfield is the only responsible and smart adult in the entire world series clear. She has to be the babysitter. The Chris could be hustle like to that like this is a movie starring Leon S Kennedy and clear. We'll really claire. Redfield getting shows up halfway right through and suddenly it's his movie yeah yeah. It's Kinda Weird. It's yet another like is a the other movie or game where Claire Exists in it but Chris is just nowhere to be found like. I don't think I've have they ever been onscreen together at all. They weren't right at the end at the end yeah yeah and then in the books. They're are all on a plane at some point talking to Trevor Andy Non Canon Book Sarin so in the Canon Claire has canonical seen her brother Chris who she was looking for throughout the entire Grozny will to once. I think it's like a throwaway line in like like vendetta or something where Leon Meets Chris and I can't remember which one is I want to say. It's Leon no might be Christie's like Claritin told me about you and he's like Oakland. When did that fucking happen when you together. Did she give you my email address. She does that all the time except he works for the government it just it's a business card that just says. Leon S Kennedy with no contact information and like a Stencil of his hair. This is how you'll know him on. I should say that one they'll be spoilers for this movie and Resin Usual Stuff and to this movie takes place after resident evil four but before or resident evil five right before five which is weird they they. I think they call it. Four point five is what the movie's called really that makes suggest a couple months before five. It's right up there. It's interesting. I mean there's there's a big thing that happened. The end the mood we'll talk about later that I did and not realize that Washington two thousand men nothing to me. Explain this to me guys because I don't get. I didn't get this through the whole movie and I told Mike even I had rewatch it twice because I was like I don't know what's going on but at the beginning of the movie it's an airport and a dude on the plane is sick and he's GonNa turn but there's also a senator in the airport. WHO's suddenly gets attacked by ZOMBIES. I don't understand how those two things coexist list visit every right lane. It was the most resident evil character. There's ever been the most like what blatantly evil. US senator that's just the most like weasley he's like fat and bald is always sweating is is like it's it's give me out of here only to from what I understand from what I feel like the plane coming had the one Zombie was a guy who was going who was sick who was trying to say like hey. This is what's going on here test me. You're saved me whatever but the airport was setup well. It was all a setup. It was okay for those who don't know this. Movie is basically three very very very distinct acts. This is like a very structured movie starts off your in an airport close air port. She's meeting a little girl. Karani and Ronnie's aunt who. I don't think they ever say Ronnie's aunt's name. I think she's just known as Ronnie's on oddly enough. She is also voiced by Alison Court who voices clear also in this movie actually yeah they gotTa get the movie has a a lot of really good voice acting by the Laura Bailey in their Stevenson's up Crispin Freeman. There is lot better than prison. You will normally likes to do so Michelle F anyone doesn't know who Alison Court is. You do know you just don't you just don't know like she did the voice of Lydia and beetlejuice she did the Voice of Jubilee the X. Men The man animated series and of course resident evil to one of those voice actors. That's been everywhere you recognize another face in the name she is. What's the documentary behind the voice or something steeple failure both in that yeah but I don't know if Alison is Yeah Yeah. That's a good one. If you're at all interested in boys actors yeah actually no Ronnie's Ronnie is played by not Alison Court. She's played by the Voice of Jill. Valentine was really funny. I had to find a way to get hurt so yeah. I think she did the like what happened was originally. She did the voice complication so she had to go back in and do it. Allen's Alison Court had had to do over us have not having facts on the show on his aunt who has three lines in the movie is also famous voice actor dirt plays the major and Ghost in the shell. Oh Wow and she's Mary Shepard Sutherland the we were we really need to. I need to replay that game. So much for the show is in a bunch of if you started naming some voice actors like Oh like Steve Lum you know him from these five thousand rolls one of the minor characters in in this movie. The one of the SWAT team guys was voiced by the guy. I JUST SPIKE IN KABUL S. T. Bomb okay net him in real life. I think I've told the story the pilots before basically like I was like freaking out toffs default so much I like you and me. He was so nice all of the experiment yeah. It's really fun anyway. Relate whose genius kept talking and I just doing him to sign a piece of paper and he was like a like a picture of a Spike Spiegel. What do you want me to write on. There and I was like whatever you all no no no. This is my mind. I hope he writes. Whatever happens happens but I couldn't vocalized that forever. I know what I'll write. Whatever happens happens this. Is I love you thank you. He's like I'm GonNa need my hand back the Pauling snot out of I know there's a lot he's actually going to be a galaxy. Come here in Minnesota here when I go in November two. Hey does all the galaxy guns. He's a really nice guy from second interact. He was nice enough to not be like. Get the fuck out of here so I think he's a very nice. That's a legitimate reason. Why are you telling me you acting weird. talking about voice actors showing up and other resin that you will things the Laura Bailey who plays Angela Miller one of the two Swat agents in this movie Swat Swat S. RT which is based in addition to playing lost implemental optima she also played Helena Harper in resonable six who is basically the same fucking looking character as Angela Miller in this thinking the same thing when I was when I was watching this for the first or the second time and I was like reminded me a lot of that character and fish I when you have a theory every time I watched this movie you know and every time I play resonable six I always have I always think about this. I think they were supposed to be the same care I blitz. I think what they were doing. Resnick six. They were trying to find a way to make it Angela Miller because he's got more involved like I can only think that they were like it looks kind of the same they look yeah. They're both like of email Eric Brown hair tall tall brunettes with like the same facial structure and in this Angeles trying to save her brother who's gone bad and latest trying to save her sister. WHO's gone bad I hadn't I actually hadn't seen this movie since two thousand eight when it came out. I doubt that's what I was kind of excited to watch it again. I only watched it until later leader kind of avoided. I like this I think because I was like all the movies now or shits Cincinnati. I don't know I I remember this came out and DVD. I worked at target and Latronic and I think I forgot it was coming out. Also I walked by him like what it was in the new release action. I remember I just grabbed it. Took it home and watch it that that year. Is that how you got fired. I bought it. I the get fired but not for that. I got hired okay since it's been it's been over ten years or we're. GonNa on the show. I got fired for leaving my area to to help customers nobody to answer the walkie. That's that's that's bullshit. Toy It. What what it was is that they wanted to get rid of the position. They didn't like me in the first place because 'cause I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't okay employees that I wasn't like the best but the attitude say and they just didn't like me got mad at me and I'm like customer needed help. Nobody I answer the walkie so I went and helped them what we told you if you leave the Tron if we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA coach. You get fired like so I I. I was put here. That's why orchestrated especially years ago. Okay tell stories that will probably over ten years ago a grocery store. I worked at yeah. I got fired once for for not leaving. They were like you need to leave. You need to go home or you're going to go into overtime and you could be fired for going into overtime because apparently that's lot worse thing you can do as an employee in America's user overtime. You need to leave but they also costly told us like on a daily basis. They said you're not allowed to leave. If there's customers so I work like they got pulled like two or three double shifts weeks dangerously close to going over over time. They're like you need to leave. If you're like if you don't leave out of here five minutes you're going to be reprimanded and I was like okay then I go back to the Deli and there'd be customers whereas like because it was a busy busy store in the middle of the ocean front like the most heavily tourist areas her tortoise orest times of the year and they were like you can't leave. We need you easy. You can't leave if you leave. You're GONNA be reprimanded. Okay awesome imagine. It's like you need to leave or else. You're GONNA get represented. I was like okay backfill like you'd better not leave. It was like okay I don't know who listen to. I have seven bosses. I don't know what to do because I think at one point I told my manager too. She was like she's like. Why do you keep trying to leave and I was like look talk to the store manager? You guys work it out. I I don't know what to do with getting information here. I don't know removing myself from the situation. I have a story about bullshit overtime to but maybe get next but I WANNA say speaking of bad situations like this movie star. Soft with Clare in the airport. You end up having her get. Let's say say double Foxton one way so. I like the part where she sitting in the airport. I don't know that could be taken your point put shit in the airport and you see Curtis Miller who is this guy that was on tv who nothing to anyone revenue because these brand new character that but he's also a brand new obviously evil character. He's wearing when I I when I was watching that scene all. I think it was dead rising for Xbox Xbox. I'm like this scene but a lot of dead rising this weird walking around he doesn't do does army outbreak. That's about the O- Other Capcom game doesn't help but he's voiced by Roger Craig Smith voiced sonic. The hedgehog instantly put off by him. A little bit earlier is you do have to outbreaks to happen you. Have you seen on a plane where the guy in fact it gives a note and of course you know the planet. You know the plane's going down. I just see that senior life well. We know this is going see you see the plane and then you see Claire in an airport and you're like well. I'm smart enough to put together I did. I did like the scene where it opens up. Where the Senate they ended up being the senator and this guy walks up due to an with a with a Zombie mask on and he's all Claire Grabs. She's like stop it. You idiot with whereas opens up with the news report because it's resident evil and it's very reasonable thing to do is open up with a news report slash brief history. talk about lighted. Yeah it is because it's important to the plot of this movie specifically talking about the destruction of records city. Actually there's a lot of information this movie that is important to the game floor. That doesn't really matter to the movie like they've talked about. How president resigns out of disgrace out of record city blowing up. I didn't know what happened in rapid city now yet were linked or like terrorists and activist groups that are like trying to release invite trying to figure out what actually happened and answering the questions. It was like all right I'm done this is no disgrace out so yeah yeah and the whole point of the terrorists in this. This movie is that they're they're saying they're. GonNa release a virus at midnight if the government doesn't reveal who was involved in raccoon city and the spread and the spread of the viruses says in the other incidents information dea of the virus. I want to say where people are turning or something but they don't realize they are aware of what's really happening. It goes into lake. It's like it's a briefly two three two three minute description of movie but it's like umbrella was was dismantled. Essentially bought umbrella still exists in his like selling the viruses as biological weaponry to other countries they talk about a very brief line that is super important to the end of the movie where they're like this foreign general slash dictator data got his hands on the t virus and was releasing a UN investigation going on Oh. It's just talking about the state of umbrella right now. Basically Yeah isn't umbrella gone at this point in the history. There will well yeah ties in name okay good. This is after everything happens in the opening original five which I don't WanNa go into too deep where Spencer is not. Let's say with living anymore at this point. Actually that happened right. After this move ethic okay this link right before rescuers official light of a rescue this is West was running umbrella from behind the scenes but before he officially officially killed Spencer took over as the chairman okay. I don't like what happened with the events after Code Veronica things things that umbrella wasn't really in very good shape after all that but I couldn't remember yes. They basically well yeah by name. They they no longer exist okay yeah remember we also have to remember that they're an international company so if they were to dissolve in the US they wouldn't dissolve another other countries. It would be completely different laws against them. Yeah I'll tell you why the gas A. is later created because it's supposed to be an international bioterrorist group or by the stopping by an asshole sex is something hurts five races. I five is the first occurrence to stay VISA is around in the umbrella chronicles game for we in the side story. Go on if it's B. S. A. But yes bioterrorism security assessment alliance Let's see here. They were trying to find their first appearance as I know for sure it wasn't five because they show in the stage show before five and that's I mean you laugh at that's like when they were like that's when like all the different branches were introduced honestly because it's I read years working as the North American. BSA and they're dealing with the Oceania BSA Sally so that is that is legitimate like when you get the most information about the BSA a for the first time you know looking back all the rest of the done in the show part of me wishes we would've did the chronological order which to it now but we have so much shit to slog through before we even got four to be honest arden's Artan. Oh Yeah so the airport Claire Redfield is hanging out with Ronnie and his aunt at Ronnie's talking about like all you know is it's like Rani's parents were killed in India and there's all sorts of background information about my yeah. They were killed in like Ronnie's aunt works for Tara Safe with Clare because Claire did not you don't be whistle blower organizations on right but it's like a watchdog group okay okay blower don't taken out yes she works with Ronnie's he's on and they investigate they're kind of like they're kind of like a watchdog group that works with the UN that like yeah they keep track of like all of us relish fallout base where the viruses being spread humanitarian They're kind of like the Peace Corps of the umbrella university collected neighborhood watch he scores but watch tests all over my computer. I did like clear one on to work for an organization mission like this where Leon goes and works the government and also like I remember seeing this when the movie came out. I remember being such a big deal to see Claire Back in in a game again. Even though I know hold around eighteen when defending clearly on together again all I actually thought that Claire would eventually go on to be like a more tougher person like I thought she was is. GonNa join some like blackout shit group that was going to go in and just kill people without permission from anybody. That's where I saw player going. It's so weird like Clair's big. Reappearance in the Games is in the like the remake of the second day. They're big auction already in. She's she's in revelations to also right yeah but yeah that's not cleared never played revelations too so I don't know I hate that version of clear that don't even know what that is like more bad ass claire but yeah like cleared in this year. I think a lot of people like where Claire went where she's like. She's like the humanitarian like there's even a line. Those were talking to lay on like you became the rescuer rescuer. Chris and I became the fighters is like Clinton Kate a lot of slow on at this point. She's been as many terrible adventures. Leon on has what's also funny because this place after resident evil four lanes like I'm not a rescuer and it's like dude you literally early just invaded a fucking eastern European country to save somebody like you're literally a rescuer. Sometimes s your one and only only job in the entire city whenever league it's called in its to save somebody else. Does this movie clear at the airport and after the virus breaks out out and then the plane hit so you have zombies already creeping around you as a plane that you saw earlier crash into the airport zombies poured out of that of course which I really do like helping out with the default airplane I was a I am and then of course player in running away but it's kind of like I. I said this is a structured film. This is the part where they introduce every single character in act one you get the senator shows up on the Clare and Ronnie Irani's on he was an important but you get no not at all you see a little bit of Kerr's send air. That's your first hint that like he's involved because he's on like a news report in the background. Zeus's lightning and clear like walks by enemy delays like Curtis Miller Zombie starts acting. Maybe you're right Mike. Maybe that's what I was confused about. He does look like a character from dead rising data before this so he looks like the the guy that civilian that released the virus in the mall dead rising that you see early on walking by before reading like Standard Standard movie movie bad guy long black hair over code scruffy like looks like this. It looks like if Tommy Wiso wasn't evil terrorist which would be great does not yeah. I think a lot of people don't even know the movie even exist like there's a there's a friend of mine who almost guests on this on this episode using our podcast who does covers horror games thing then he didn't even know this. It was really like what they're CG movies and their cannon. He's like what yeah I I really wanted to the radar surprising. It wasn't like huge huge huge thing I think it's just like if you're like a big die hard fan. You WanNa go experience every resonable thing easily. You definitely seek it out yeah. I mean yeah just for this game this game. We're going to keep saying this day because it looks like a video game hell there. It looks like a really good cut. I've seen from Arizona but yeah like it. It introduces a lot of background information that leads you from resume before to resume five and and also sets up resident evil six which I think is impressive in its own right six did Yep clusters another movie in between five and six right from damnation which takes place just after five okay sorry like right in between five and six okay okay who which will definitely be at the show has ever seen it also one thing. I'd WanNa say like when you title coming out. Claire has no gun because of course he has no gun. I did like that. I've like Oh shit. Things are just things start breaking out and then as soon as the the the airports are getting infested and alarm goes up nobody running for their life best one off and it goes to Leon Yeah. They're Severi zip very funny part where the showing the people at the glass windows like being kept in this lady's like why are you holding me in here. You're like let me and I kind of feel like that's the lady looks like. Can I speak to your manager and the manager just though PAT's worse or way all the way up to the cousins the President's point aides or whatever forget it wasn't it wasn't yeah it was solid snake good members name. The next is her in front of the George Washington A. I excuse me I was being held and no one told me wait is this. I see no not everybody. Buddy is trapped behind the glass and they're starting to do the whole light up. We gotTA deal detox. Everybody and also my question was like I didn't realize right away but the government Ashley knows what's going on like they know all about the virus. They know how to treat it. How you find out after the damn here for the viral yeah we we didn't we didn't mention that another candidate. I felt the final character that set up in the very beginning is Frederick Downing. It was also the most residential character ever who I'd say white. Guy Fairly effectively goes back and forth between being a red herring. You know real villain. He's a Birkin light what I call them. Basically he's basically Burkan it light but even Birkin. You like are short. He's a bad guy the enzyme Fredrick Downing I I'd say they wrote him. Well enough relate. Oh is he actually trying to help or is he part of us like die. That's got where up in it or is. He planning everything what's I thought. He was a good guy up until later so he's white suit. He's he's got white hair. He wears like Wester like thin glasses. This guy's definitely break. We're GONNA talk about him later because I have some questions about out. His whole. Fucking role lists movie very weird. I've watched this movie enough. I've got down Pat. I can tell you everything yeah like twice in my life so it cuts to heart cuts from like layer. Actually I think it's a pretty solid cut because it's like Claire in the Senator Irani on not all white panicking within the airport ended like heart cuts to a couple of hours later and it's I keep wanting to call Laura. Bailey is Angela Miller a great Glenn the officers there are like definitely important to the story because they're voiced by Steve Bailey so weird though because Greg Greg Glenn like when you first meet him in this movie. He's very calm. He's very like why should we trust Leon. I don't know about this is Angela. Yeah and the knicks gifts inside in the while they get inside of the airport because they have to go in there and rescue the survivors and he just starts freaking out he does. It's all really literally. He's entire mad. Yes you know of any living. Leaving people are hidden anywhere at this point Wesley seen right before that is the girl runs forward and we fucking idiot Greg in the stomach and she goes into a room sees a woman like are you okay that of course she's now okay 'cause she's. Dombi and then all of a sudden you see all zombies rise up every Leon. It's an room. He's like Oh shit like he's like do what I do and I've that scene was awesome a Leon John. I feel like human besides Claire in their annual. Series is a fucking idiot. Lean does nothing to like like present any sort of competence at any point he's he's just like these shows up and he's like. Aloof and a total dick and they're like why should we trust this guy and it sounds like he knows what he's doing. He's from the Government Greg Raises. Some good points is like should the government have fought like softness already blah a lot of wealth and you're like yeah you totally get it and lands just like two of you like don't we need more and he's like no any reason why no shut up come on. They say he doesn't want more infective. Yes he doesn't want to resolve only gonNA say. CC So stupid. I I guess you know how win is like a bank robbery or like they take a hostage. They only centered one swat guy. They don't WANNA risk. Is that what they want to risk getting killed so the only Senate one guy well at least an art in real life. You get shot by a bullet. You don't change all their side now like this. You you get bit. You you change nights real fast instant which is totally isn't. I WANNA like depart. I WANNA be on the head what security guard earlier on when when the when it does start the outbreak and you see the first Dombi security guard and by the time you hit the floor within like second he changed he changes and that actually leads into the point I want to make there's a weird cut in this movie that they didn't fix or they totally screwed up on where when the senator is like being freaked out by all the zombies and you can see some zombies in the background oh some zombies actually act like humans kamins and they're all freaked out and run away yeah on purpose of are you sure it wasn't the people wearing Zombie masks asks. It was like real zombies yeah house weird. They're like it was like they were trying to just feel free down. The back already screwed up the models. They're like zombies last weather like hey did you fix Zombie Broadway. The zombies are acting as the in the game shifts or the movie ships today. Nobody will notice them apparently art show where Leon is going into to save Claire and the Senator Senator still addict the entire time where he's like reason. You haven't been killed yet because I'm here and it's like okay but they're gonNA rescue. It's kind of funny though the Claire is carrying around parasol to the soil yet. We've talked about his time in the podcast is one movie where so I guess she she's like. I need a weapon and it it hard cuts to her holding an umbrella. That's colored like the umbrella logo competition. I wasn't expecting this or something like event. It was a funny comment. I was expecting expecting umbrella today back fighter weapon here having an umbrella of WII but yeah this is Claire being the Rescue Oregon. She's here like sound like they. They hear the center secretary scream on up as many secretaries even though you see him with a like personal assistant earlier who do at some point. Oh that must be the senator secretary. I'm like wasn't the Senator Secretary. The Guy who did he have a personal assistant and a secretary. I mean he was timber so so it's like he takes his he takes his personal. His takes exit. Ta and his secretary and only two security guards entre he walks around with more people in his entourage than his the security team has people he needs someone get him tea and coffee and making sure the coffee's right not to heart or whatever the hell he can play. Is that the secretary which does that I don't i. I don't know he tells the personal systems do it in a personal system tells the secretary to do it comes back backup total It's your turn to this. Let's ask and then shortly after clear without with the umbrella. She runs into Leon Riyadh which I like. I did like that scene where they finally Swat. Team is a total digging just shines his flashlight. Inter is for like twenty seconds like like not saying who he is or what's going on clear freaking out they actually play on the tropes of Nostalgia when he tells her to get down down because that's exactly what happened in resonable to yeah get down. I like how that's repeating joke in this series so much that Liane eventually does that to Chris so it's like just trying to do that if the entire redfield family like resonated eight needs to be Leon s Kennedy and the Redfield Dad like an eighty year old do Leon's going to save get down. I'm John Redfield you town nope and I really do and then once they get together. You have this. You have a few next scenes of them trying to escape the airport which I do like they're like we're going right through the middle because he thinks her. Lohan we can run yeah. This is senator was not okay without an idea was not okay with that at all. He's he's literally like the humans from wally like that's that's essentially senator as he was watching this movie with me. It was like Batman Villain. I'm like you say he's like. He looks like I mean he acts like billy. It's so you know what after he got out of the airport and he gave the speech from from Batman men women children will kill them all the only beautiful like what did he say. It's only the beautiful androgynous will be left behind. This is that same each others quote because he loves those movies. I used to know at heart like word for where he's by heart. It's such a weird line since we'd speeds but shortly throb when you have them trying to escape you do you have it. The guy voiced by spike from would be about getting bit by Zombie and I did like that. He knows that yeah. We're at the airport escape is. I think I think most people's consensus not just mine is that it's the best part of the movie. The most residential part of the movie is a Lotta in jokes like the whole idea of well first of all. Let's go back because Leon meets Claire. Go back to the senator and the senators just being addicted to everybody constantly at its. I somebody says like what Mace Ace like. What makes you think like she knows what she's doing and he's like she was a survivor of raccoon city. Just like I was in higher outlook changes owner for like a split second. He's like oh well. It does a flashback to resume will to yes and that yeah it's great because it keeps their like original resonable two outfits for some reason its place within the movie but it's a great call back foreshadowing too because it shows that that William Perkins I and kind of Zoom in on it like yeah remember the side because it's going to be important later the virus it should have been flashbacks should have been running and then Birkin showing up and going gee virus like really obviously it was cool. It was cool. We'll see her. I really liked Clair's original outfit resume will do. I think it's just cool needless. I highly doubt the over ten years later. I'll say this on a podcast sorry Jesse but he got pissed off. The the the original outfit had black a sleeves and then the rebate didn't he's like they've fucked it up. I'm like it's just sleeves not that big a deal remember. He also likes to thirteen curt ones though his opinion can't be trusted any listen to us all about having a side parted hair center part of their totally only ruin at all. I think I think he brought up like some fact delayed about like Leon and what's his name. Steve or kind of boasts based both based off of those Leonard Dicaprio yeah kind of like the Hollywood idea that he couldn't find an old picture Leonardo DiCaprio's with his new hairstyle and the report gets every every new shame they use the most recent picture of Leonardo DiCaprio. It's mainly on it's like Oh. It's like like fucking candy from genuine chains. Ask They tried to escape the airport. The second part of it is end up in the middle of the airport and they're shooting down zombies in the fat. Senator decided to be a dumb ass and knocks the girl off and tries to escape and take advantage of the situation and runs out run and they'll do survives that moment when he jumps up in the air and lands on his ass like ten feet down unlike character or something yeah that didn't make show because he kicks Ronnie off the plane sue he's like in such a hurry to save himself that he takes the little girl off the plane and she falls the same distance but she's okay because she lands on like a plane seat. Bethel off that's cushion and it makes a point to show that she lands lands on that so she's not hurt but he does the same joke on the floor and his line it would not be okay and then that part where declared jumps on the ground and grabs. Ronnie with no weapon and just hold your like. What are you taking Claire Babysitter the year. That's all me by clear tonight together. Roddy clear like Sherry players like she's GonNa say she's GonNa. Save the kid no matter what even if even if it's throwing yourself into danger and then Dirk Korea like Leon gets tackled by Zombie throws his gun to Claire and then cleared preschool seen shoots them all yes. I yeah okay so to say this because then I have a complaint about this person I like okay. I'm glad somebody's isn't it like a first person. Almost where she shoots couple zombies I remember he throws his his main gun. which is GONNA be like that at some point that became? Leon's like standard handgun is like the HBO I know in Four. I think it was well enfor. He starts with a guy. I can't remember what he starts with four. I think he's I it doesn't matter because in and for the main gun always ends up becoming the red nine and if anyone picks the other gun you're wrong the red nine forever but yeah it's like he can get the USB and that but his is like main gun in the series was is always the wing shooter the the HP seventy. I think is the model a handgun. It's a really weird looking hand gun. You're right yeah and it's like the attached to it and little gun. It's a good gun so it makes sense that he'd use it but he throws his USPA Claire. It doesn't awesome first-person scene where she shoots three zombies in the head and then Leon polls fucking shooter out of his Goddamn boot on top of him in the head if if Leon had two guns. Why didn't he give why was all about jazz really even even if he doesn't give Clare his son he's got to SR team members with them with multiple guns they all have their one guy has his his em. I'm for the chicken has MP but they both have their sidearms. Why didn't they give their side on that. Claire who is like a known Beth S. Like Leon could've been like I'm a government government agent. She knows what she's doing. Give her a gun. I guess because she's a citizen maybe or something that was a weird suppose. He'd says it's in front of everybody like the flashback shows her with a gun talk if he was like. I didn't give this to you because you're maingot supposed to be revolver so semi-automatics gives them the gun back. I WANNA be like you keep it for a little bit alight. Things are not good right now. Yeah it's like did she swear some kind of like she swore off guns in between like right after two happens he's like. I'm joining terrorist save. I'm never holding a gun again. They're still cold Veronica of oh boy we're going to ignore that for. We're GONNA door that and so we you have to play for the show. I think he I don't anytime soon unless we make fun of Steve from that game we will but yeah cool Ogle blue goose yeah okay and then and then they run out the door. Well you'll see the light run for the light and then they're outside and there's a whole the military sitting there ready to go yeah yeah. Some doors are open now for some reason and everyone's out for some reason this is my second complains the movie because at this point Greg who has been who for he freaked out but then he turns this like an awesome bad as again or use it can ass saving lives. He gets bit and they're running to the door and before they get to the door he's. Greg is like looking at his arm. Noses Bit Leon Angela nosy spit. I want to point out that at this point in the Canon eight at the antivirus exists there is an antivirus. There is a serum for the virus. He cares it up and that's why they keep people when they go outside. They keep them in containment because they have to test nice to see if they're infected and if they are they're going to give them. The antivirus. Put Greg is like like running in great just stops and Angeles. What are you doing and Liens like no. He's got this. I was like what the Fuck Leon addict like like Leon View specifically. No there's a cure. You've used it come on. He is bitten. He gets hurt and to write that you're talking about boy. He sees like Sh- like share he's taking. He knows Sheri's taking it. Okay Mrs after four when he gets infected with the loss bloggers and he has to cure himself and Ashley Graham he knows curious can't be made point now fucking like you could argue that the security guard in the beginning dies you could argue that his neck gets bitten out any dies and that's how he turns her quickly an argument could be made for that but greg is on life and he's like a healthy S. RT member he's like a beefy healthy duties jets. It's like I doubt he's going to die within minutes in fact maybe he should already know that there's an antivirus they don't while Craig are both like they're both like completely in the dark delay they even have a line is when they first showed like Oh. This sounds like that thing that happened in that city or something it's like how is that not like. I know it was Kinda. The Rock I know in the candidate raccoon city kind of the rug but like people know that virus exists because it's being used as a weapon people know that exists because or sure is being synthesized inaccurate was synthesized or that a town was blown up in the U. US yeah go nuke that was always a big thing and I kind of like try to address that resonable six but yet it's just like you're like finally had it and they just want to know what the fuck happened with raccoon city this goes into my this goes into my idea for the perfect resident evil eight-game whether you know backtracking interacting city because after six people know what happened there surly people are GonNa WanNa. Go back in like investigated. It all fits together. Make it happen Capcom. I would say eight people never go back to nuclear fallout sides but look noble. People take pictures there so for years. It's like big foot and in the resident evil universe it happened. Man Truth is out there all my motor scully fighting. Lisa threader make it happen what after they get out of the airport. That's when you start talking more about. We'll Pharma and how well you do a little bit about well former early which we we skipped over where we'll farmers. This company took over after umbrella. Umbrella is a separate company altogether. Okay like became big because they they had an outbreak in India or something isn't it. There was an outbreak in India and they got into a lot of trouble for it. Informative for say you'll growing around people or people infected like that's that's why people wearing the masks ask them getting of this movie and protesting because of the even though. I only realize what they're protesting. I don't think they realize really obvious out there from well. They they know that there was an outright right than other than it was like a biological outbreak in India. People died and that's why Claire is involved because she works for tere save and she was previously in India kind of like Jews Kinda like blowing the whistle on we'll Pharma so she and Tara Save like are what brought that to light. That's why okay down a adopters like kind of iffy about Ariza character for college is is later on then right yeah because then the senator and Dr after downing just put a like lay on the biggest fucking guilt trip ever with their light. Oh in India we are trying to synthesize the cure. That's we could have had this year immediately but because of Tara era save we all these like government regulation and that's why it took so long to get the care and Clarence. This is all my fault. It's like no. We'll really shitty. You did a good thing glare and then you also have a scene where they have all the trucks full of the antidote and that's what they're freaking out like you don't you didn't tell us then they blow up the dam antidote they all the trucks are low on explodes firm mysterious reason and that's real. Downer and that's been clear reveals that she saw Curtis Miller and they do this whole thing with like Curtis Miller. He's that ECO terrorist and angel on his like Curtis. I'm ansel Mansell Miller. He's Curtis Miller. Were Siblings. Since that was stupid. Curtis is my brother and everyone's just watching her and no one thinks to. They like what the fuck really only on side out. I hope they go right into in Baxter but they end up going to backstory where her brother. Curtis Miller used his family wife can child. We're in raccoon city at the time of everything went down anytime after player guys on her whole guilt trip Angela goes on her guilt trip and his like Curtis was such a good guy. He's the one who told me Deli keep fighting He Lost Justice Family Raccoon City and that's why he used to work for will Pharma but he he he wasn't actual whistle blower and got fired from Wolf armoured because he knew that umbrella was involved in he was trying to say like whoa farmer was working on this virus as well. That's add shit me up there and then he has hair about three feet on became the lead singer of death clock. It's remarkably like live action. Nathan explosion. This is essentially act to the movie then we're both Leon and goes with Angela to go to Kurdish house which burned down and Claire Gold with the clear it goes with threat to wait for the West version all in worst call him. How am I know Wester the most notable Harper yeah this is and that is a part to that. Why would you take somebody who works for an agency that kind of hey. Why don't you come to our headquarters. I'll show you around. Come on and I'd be like no. This is the part that I had questions for STU. I have no idea why he invites Sir there. It doesn't make any sense and even the way he acts like it makes no sense whatsoever her she make tea with him. Remember he bite her to have tea. His villains do well in okay so two parts of this in the context of the movie movie. This is the part where they say Frederick. Downing is obviously a bad guy in the beginning. This is the part where you make him not so obviously a bad guy. Ease working with Claire is giving her all this information and he's telling her all. This stuff is being kind of like like selfish about it. He's like Oh but I like. I Want My. I want like my immunity for this too but here's this information formation is like showing some moral bombs in the context of the character. He is trying to get clear in the building because he knows that. There's a bomb tom in it by the rest of the movie. He knows that there's a bomb in it and he knows curtis. Miller is about to freak the fuck out so these pudding Claire Player in a situation to be killed so that she's no longer a problem for a while is that why when he okay because he drives her up to the main entrance and he's like. Oh my passcode. It didn't work as like let me use. The Master Code is that why is has that how he knows. How does he know that there's bombs. They're like how how does he added. Oh Oh he put the bombs there and the reason that he can't use his card is because it's not his car. He gave his car to Curtis Miller to get into building earlier. Oh aw they don't find that okay yeah but that's how parents he's like. Oh like car doesn't work. It's because he had to get rid of Speller into the building. Somehow all cats that simultaneous. Oh we all want lovie from like that's something I mean I. That's I assume what happens but that makes sense to me is or just going to say that's cannon because I think that's what happens. There is a comment at the end of the movie where they do talk about. He was the one that set it up but this is like again talking about how Strut drought-like this movie is so ridiculously structured when it goes into act two. It's like total shift like before in that dark airport suddenly Claire Claire. Suddenly Leon and Angela are going to curtis how signed up and it's burning down because he like little cuts him earlier where he's burning is the house down. He's like getting rid of his old life so there at Charlotte burning wreckage while she's going into her backstory and cleared Frederick Grad. There's like giant bright building so hard cups got some dark airports a really bright environment. It feels like going into the second chapter video just very much like the intermission before the finale is what it is yeah yeah yeah. It's so obviously like okay. We're done with that. We're moving onto the next part so weird. It's it's very odd because most movies even like really structure movies. Aren't this like define like it's so it's like it's falsies very specific. It's like one third of the way to the movie cuts you act to Heart Gut. This is happening like yeah. I was like pulp fiction where like suddenly were telling a completely different story yeah like. I feel like if this was a real moving what they would have done is Angela what it called his house he wouldn't have answered and then she would if somehow found out like oh maybe he went to so the wherever the thing takes place at at the end. What does it trial. Will former world fair rides like go. Maybe he went to Wolf Pharma. We should go there clears over there. Let's go like that's probably what would happen. In a real movie so bizarre they go to Curtis's is house and Claire Calls Leon Shit's going down. It will forma. There's a bomb and somehow get there within like minutes is like on the other side of the city. There's something wrong with the servers Pharma labs though like what you will about residential they know I know how to make a really intimidating science lab. Oh yeah it's six stories tall and is all white in glass. It looks very modern evil building and it's like the size of a fucking city. It's got like this giant like wall around. It and it's just this big tower. The center looked so menacing missing something that they kind of added in there that I think is in the novels to is. It looks like they have a a built in structure where like ws can roam. It looks like they test them out there. That field yeah I always thought like is that what's going on here or are they testing. BMW's while they even have I think that like the so you find out the lab is mentioned this. I find out like the doctor. Disappears says a bomb shit just starts falling apart in the lab immediately like you get like some security. Cameras see like other doctors have been turned into zombies. Even though Zombie stopped showing up at this point. Basically you just know the zombies in the building. Curtis is like hang out in the center of this this giant facility and even a center is like a big like the O. W. testing site looks like a big cage it also I'll I'll banned by the way zombies in the building sauvage. I have a really important where the hell's the security in this. There's no security I was watching this movie with Tiffany. I'm like the should be security guards. There should be someone at the gate. Where is everybody. I think the idea is that like the security guard have left. I don't honestly know I assume we'll. Pharma does have security because they have security office but Frederick orchestrating. The security has like mandatory vacation for all the security guys on the same day. I think it's like terminator two or like Perkins. You can't leave the desk like that like chained him to the toilet in the bathroom. All this there's security a yard and downing has individually chain them to various toilets at the building. David and Gary the terrorists they all talk to their own stock to Director Downing and disappeared anyway director. Johnny wants to see his office. We gotta go right now. Sleep the totally that bother me but that lab was super bowl. You're talking about I really. I really wasn't pressed that smart kind of cool. It's like something out of like like a slapstick slapstick movie like clue where the security guys walk into his office one by one each clubbing them on the head and driving the bathroom like calls the next one. That's gnawed by attention. That was a whole day for him. That was the day before he's just he's just so exhausted. I know there are people in this building until they turn into zombies yeah but there were a lot of people in this building. Alabama Leon shows up with the entire army the one fires and goes on with them and they get fucking destroy did like seeing the virus again. I mean well for me. This is the first time the vendor played resume but that one I I when I watch his movie in. It is cool wall seat when he injects. DVR He just Fox people that was cool. There's yeah and there's a very cool instance that they put the put in this movie like the one of the coolest bits is that they use the lower resident evil two again and they say that I Angela he's after you because he's trying to find a mate because what the others is in resident evil two sherry pregnant a little child by her dad ad because the virus would it does it looks for the most identical. DNA to impregnate. It's just so gross. I'm on assist almost a sexual yeah. I like as Zoya so curtis turns into G Virus Ernest before we go. I need to call a famous. Amos line from grant three my mother's my sister okay continue on but yeah so this is like the midway point is clear the doctor. Leon Liane in Angela like getting backstory away getting all this is basically the expedition of the movies the entire act to Dr Giving player and then when Curtis shows up. Oh yeah good downing's light like there's a bomb the building I'll try to deactivate it edited somebody calls the thoughts. Curtis earlier. That's the last you hear from Downing for. Awhile L. and curve shows up turns into Gyrus Curtis and they're just like hard. Stop Act three suddenly happens an actor like a like no joe in a forty minute fight between Leon Angela Curtis and occasionally Clair's Elba It's just so bad like I wanNA appreciate fights like this because I imagine it's how they played out in resident evil to any of the resin evils really but like for some reason this movie doesn't use horror to the effect of poorer horror like it's just actiony yeah is it actually says with like bio hazards yeah hopefully we'll watch a damnation on the sense because damnation will we'll have more with in vendetta now all action again although vendetta does have the best action in the entire series. I'll God I saw let on facebook. I was like Jesus Christ Capcom and I wish that was the entire movie I fucking love that segments for those who don't know just look up like vendetta action scene. It's probably like the only legitimately great scene from the movie but it's just Chris and Leon kicking ads for St four minutes and it's like any clearer Cleveland the hallway. It's literally a single hallway. What's that movie with Christian Bale Out. No Oh equilibrium laugh yeah the gun Kata on the never come up with a show again I do. I have the story with that movie that I'm GonNa ask somehow actually kind of pertains to this when I used to work at target around that same time receiving movies this there was a girl that I liked that worked at Harvard that I was hitting that invited over and she was talking about that movie. I actually bought that movie. Never come over again so we can watch together over again by the way spoiler the story. It's a good movie. I feel like there are people out there. That love equilibrium ended the worst kind of people. Oh Yeah you don't know why but we just because on the show I like that I do like that movie. It is enjoyable but I know people that like long equilibrium and they're all ages like total douchebag. I think it's because it's based on that form of government like not like people like starship troopers wrong reasons. Reasons people are so you were interesting. Yes so so I I did like that you have when you haven't become the bill in monster. I I did like everything with that and I like like how Claire is trying. He helps clerk at the elevator. She goes in the basement. He gives her a gun this time yeah and at all and then there's a partly over. CLO- he says be safe and she says Ditto and and well. My wife is not here to tell this joke I'm going to she's like she instead of hearing her daddy and she started laughing. I heard I heard him. Say you too Sudan. I'm like what the fuck is a part of the deal that Clair's stoop Oranje Leon and he's like super for Ada. It's just the worst kind of triangle because someone we used to know a friend of mine innovate and his girl he doesn't have the shows like you say the story and for some reason she started calling him daddy I'm public and stuff and if our enjoyed for since then it's been that kind of inside joke be like of inequity away so much abusing it gives all of his players and affection but although I am I hate them all but my dad is just like silly rod saying like Papi copy which means basically the same thing like we call so he poppy. I'm like yeah whatever you say. Daddy get up room. Hey I don't ever come out okay so after I do like that scene where she's going through. She's limping through the hallway. Shooting people that will Kodak falls under fucking foot or something she gets home because the time bomb goes off. It makes you believe that Frederick Downing is dead the bomb like these. There's a bomb here. I'm GonNa like see what I can do to defuse it near like what the fuck you're just A. You're like biochemist. What do you know about bombs allow long who blows up and it's like well he's dead but he dies offscreen. Shirley is not dead because it's a movie. She has such a like. I know the animation is of at that time which isn't that far behind but she has the weirdest reaction when she finds out. There's a piece of glass stuck in her leg. Yeah we'll just like Oh. It has great something about the movement of them is like lights. I don't know like I don't know not used for this. I don't think they did I was just about to say I don't think this happened. They should have used to smoke APP. I don't know before Obama was like super accessible. I'm not sure as I feel like they smoke cap in damnation in vendetta. What Year was released this. This was two hundred eight right around the same time. River was using better mccafe's else. I thought the graphics graphics are pretty good in this actually like it's the graphics are great. They're like the actual character. Miles look fantastic whether in close ups. They don't look like they don't look like why fly but they look good. They look really good like they avoid like the uncanny valley but they they still look really nice and close to humans that sounds it sounds like sit in with close to humans but it's kind of like spirits within like founded Sunday. Don't sink of your sickly. The hair is a little like floaty but it's still there like it looks like here. I don't know they have a problem with it at all any of the animation so but let's see here okay another example of mobile. APP from season eight was his Kiana reeves the date years should still so take that that was bad movie by the way the original is great though there is a real cool seeing that we that in this movie R- after what we had mentioned so far back on track when you have like when they start fighting g virus and they g virus monster they in a blown his ass up which I did like that cause the building search cleansing itself and there's a part where the army has been shooting the Jaguars guy they're like those get knee elevator the elevator and like we'll catch the next one and then elevator goes up mantra jumps up grabs yellow very they're just started beating him. I was laughing yeah. Yes it's elevated. You'll be safe fucking demolish. It's it's almost like all shot. They erred that elevator. It's almost comedic. Oh bitter because of that. There's a countdown that starts happening where they get sprayed with some kind of chemical a gasoline life materials like trying to sterilize. He's he's like no the building yeah. They're going to burn the building down which is trying to stop a virus I mean can they have the virus the virus I mean it makes sense. This is is my second favorite aspect of the movie. The first being the the airport estate the second winning. How's The lab functions. I think is really cool. APP is messed up. Yeah we talked about earlier to get back onto the lab. They yeah they spray the gasoline to burn burn out any organic material in the building which which makes sense because it's like a lab that secretly working on very harmful biochemical second breakout destroyed entire city and then sections the lab can be like decoupled from you find out that the building is actually sitting over top of like a giant pit and sections can be decoupled dropped into into the pit like miles under the ground which is cool yeah. It's a really cool on something building in it's actually in it's actually in resident evil six to up. Jake Jake's campaign yes ye- campaign and the end of the various event yeah so it's it's been done before while at this time it hadn't been done so it's a it's a it's a really cool concept. I think they knew it was gauntlet because they brought up and raising six and game bagging resonable damnation similar kind of lab with the secretary's office that are the the prime minister's office satellite goes underground. It's it's a cool way of doing it because it's not like. It's not umbrella facility but it's built up. It's actually to be honest. It's more advanced than the city. lab would be umbrella would just be like okay. We don't need security. Measures full year was the last umbrella lab destroyed like two thousand later almost homeless. You need the umbrella lab into dozen in six hundred zero five. Why why was thinking the one in Berlin on your article in two thousand twelve under his Nielsen's it will be the last one I thought or the whenever I don't I don't know when Rosie O. Seven takes place while we have to assume that they they built them a long time ago because I think umbrella was created. What in the seventies something as eh sixties company at this point specially. There's labs all over the place. Dude isn't Antarctic have CAL UNROLL as a company is like the WHO put in charge of that that lab. It's like who's the weirdest fucking person we know make him. It's Kim delivered like Ah Ashford guy that talks to himself in the bonus sister. Put Him in charge. I really did like that fight when every Komo the platforms dropping down where they're trying to get the virus guy dropped down. I mean that part was that part was awesome to watch yeah. I was really confused because after he dropped out in normal fashion movie fashion he grabs the girl's foot and then Leon grabbed her and he's hanging his foot and I'm like how the Hell's he hold the fuck is free by you listen in her but he the mantras holding onto a rope to well. If we consider conversation conservation of mass he technically would wear the same he wouldn't have gained any extra mess around even shut my glasses. Exactly one hundred pounds come on that. I ball I agree. I don't agree with stewardess. I understand where he's coming from. The normally I'm always offer science I kiss agree with helium entire body assume the only and that's why he can jump so high. I don't take all he's not a debit. Angela Angeles one hundred eight and her brothers went to fifty so three hundred fifty eight pounds leeann could do it right. What was your hat around metal piece he will he's dangling from like like tizoc theme or at a split so he doesn't have to hang on to it doesn't have to hang on with the CD's as to hang out with his hanging out with his foot no relatives. La That's all raping it with his toe. He's got his now. His leg wrapped around a bar which you can. You don't have like exerting energy she to do that because you're saying people now. What is weird. Is that after like the the the thing starts swinging and he does this. This weird like triple backflip with her somehow like he doesn't. They get flung off. He does like this backflip in somehow still lands on his ass like white on his head Leon. That's lost on assume cool until I do. I do know that this has like a nice little joke unless little where he starts with his jacket and at some point he loses his jacket that never before he goes into welfare may never puts it back on really. I didn't even notice that. Don't don't do the epilogue. I don't WanNa make these wearing it then either. That okay are we. We're about done back three then except for the earnest gets he gets dropped. Well versed they fire that doesn't work Leeann Manjula jump underwater avoid the fireworks yes and then they guess lemming Leon okay. I know this is a movie and I'm usually pretty forgiving with this but this is so I do. You get annoyed a little bit when this happens in a mini. Leeann is underwater with Angela there about let's say five feet away for this giant thick glass. Pane Leon on while underwater pulls out his pistol shoots the glass pane it shatters and allows them to escape You cannot gone underwater it all fire. If it's closed it'll fire I think a USB that'll fire underwater a- about three feet before losing all energy is one of the biggest like contentions with saving private Ryan when they were getting shot under the water. It's like like no bullets would stop way before that before the hour plying from out of the water insular pseudo. They were still going fast enough. If you fire underwater it loses energy really quickly because of like the way the air bubble implodes essentially 'cause I saw video on it and they tested it was like one lose you know fact checked ones and they shot they shot at water firmed feet away and I it was like a foot and a half. It would stop yeah. It doesn't go very far but I think like I don't. I don't think did it go through anybody under water. I think it did actually I think you're right also fired from from very powerful weapons too so that back then it was like I mean don't get me. There are some very powerful guns that World War Two. Up GM split under the tanks that would takeouts tastes so when I did Google that it did say a revolver which revolves tuner water I can shoot but it will lose all of its energy very laid out. A few feet is deadly. You're so if we I saw deadly if we're underwater and we're not gonNA test this but if we were underwater with saying you were three feet away from me and I shot it with a thirty eight underwater it wouldn't even fiercer which is it might not even reach you did it was bouncing off of this venue unserious by the way smarter every day. Did it actually smarter everyday did it. With the slow Mo guys they fired a third sir. I think they fired a clock and a revolver underwater and be filmed in slow mountains very cool video. I should mention that that I have tried to do with Leeann did for Angela and that's that he tried to give her underwater. Yeah Yeah that that does not work. I have tried that with a girl before. That does not work because it's just like before these. CPR on a live person. It's like a it's like asking drown really honey to where or when you give somebody. CPR You're blowing oxygen into them. That's not how fucking CPR awards anti in fact I first of all they don't even tell you to do they don't even tell you to blow to people's mouths for CPR any more because it doesn't really do much and it's gross and you can and actually get like you actually get sick from the personnel disease or something new. Things are gonNA show every day. Yeah that's just like the idea that it was like to Do compressions on your chest. They've determined that that is enough to compress your lungs and expanding again really you did that and they blew into to expand lungs at some point. They were like hey. That's not really that much of an extra staff. That's really not doing anything extra so I just impressions now. They will have the breathing apparatus but that's different okay so after the escape yeah. My mom found wonder about guns. CPR escaped the escaped this place that's when you finally find out that the albino molester turned out to be a villain who I think used to work for umbrella who then sold the virus the virus brought the T G virus yeah. He did a better job. hunk trump did slow Pharma. I know that this is my third complaints about the movie. That Leon actually doesn't figure this out. Liam is told about it so Leeann stupid and clear stupid like Li like Claire should have been the one to figure this out because clearly smart person in the entire resident evil series aside from Amy Rebecca glad we stay but it should have been cleared a figured out instead what happens is is. Claire's just like well that was all useless and liens like not quite we just found out about it. Remember that guy we talked about in the news two hours ago at the beginning of the movie his like right hand man folded and told the UN everything admitted that the person they got the the virus from was downing and that's how I find out that Downing's actually a bad guy. It should have been clear. It should have been claire putting the pieces together. Yeah really should have been it could easily put that in yeah it could. It could have definitely been clear. I appreciate it. They tried to have like a setup in bay off from the beginning of the movie. It just would have made more sense bills glare. I'm looking at the end of the movie now by the Way Leon does actually his jacket back jacket though because he lost his jacket as zero four he never got that back up then you have the scene where they were you'll by a whisker sitting at a car to arrange somebody to pick him up up to buy the virus because he has the virus in the cure in a case yeah I want to say he's an he's just he's just sitting like slightly outside of town. I would have just kept driving enough. Stop drive if I were him. You're fucking of rich scientists. You don't have like Bluetooth in your damn car. Kids make the call from the road. I just do thousand eight so you know it wasn't until I am blue cards. They didn't exist. I said well big so you know so. He had to stop and make phone call. It stopped me well he wanted to do it was a rental. You don't want to smoke it very concerned. You know that Criminal Car Ah evil now so he's smoking when this the first time you walk in and it's only because you know he's evil. I I did like that scene where they they both with guns up to destroy the virus and the Angelique with the under the back of his head and he's saying they don't shoot me. I didn't need it. It just starts to cry almost gun to be a bad idea to bring along like she's pretty emotionally invested in this case. I mean you think think about he didn't eat the reasoner brother died but here this guy we have all officer we could ask but we're going to bring you a his case is. GonNa get dismiss. That's like clearly a conflict of interest yeah also I don't she's not I don't know Arrellano. Swat procedure on arresting people. I don't know if she's really the proper arresting officer. I'm pretty sure you're not liens. Government Agent surely he should be anyway a lot of questions also he did work for umbrella right like he did escape raccoon city good evening. I'm like I'm not wrong with us on he. He used to work for Rela. He stole the t virus and the virus and as I said early we're on so sam. If you're listening better than Hong he actually took his death. It does get caught. Honk is presumed other. Oh hoax in raccoon city still he's. He's in constant war with Lisa. A Trevor Goalie the imaginary game. We're just take out Lisa Trevor. It's hope you find hockey finally said Trevor. This is the rest of this podcast from now on is like every now instead of dragging ballsy and is going to bring up my fictional resonable eight eight minute episode without enduring multi references. I think I made a joke about dvd of rich at some point that nobody thought but but then you have the the weird epilogue of after all that you're the weird epilogue the movie where for some reason we unclear wearing the same clothes yes and the SR girls wearing a purple addressing their standing on the cliff. I'm not sure what cliff why they're standing there. I'm like why is she. All of a sudden wearing addressing like what's going on here. I don't know I don't understand that scene. I don't know if it's the trust from the picture because she's got this picture of her in Curtis in Curtis's wife daughter. I don't know if it's the same just I'm trying to find out I'm trying to picture of the picture as saying but it's just too weird scene and then that's when she makes a reference Prince about her having an underwater diving together and Clair's like what did you go diving. I'll tell you some time any white blouse so yes. It's very jarring to see her dover. RT uniform to herbal Sundress I think it was nice though that it pointed out how Leon even matty's slightly a pervert he's not willing to go date the president's daughter because She's underage but Angela she's okay. She had this little swimming with her unskilled. Only get such like a okay so hold on actually my theory another dress now is that because address physics actually looks pretty. A good theory is that they just wanted excuse to like show off this engine that they made the movie with and they were like we got to put some stuff in there. Maybe a little bit of her to and show your boobs are it's ridiculous again. Ashley Angela Eight is supposedly hunt survive raccoon city by the way yes. He did okay yeah. Hog is a hundred he's still he's still alive. He's still out there okay. I thought he was going to be involved in retinal seven but I don't think was so they they haven't quite explained and the whole there's there's a lot going on the University of seven that I think has never been explained really not yet list. It's explained more in the deal sea but it's not it leaves questions to be answered the phone who's this guy what's act dangle say anything about rounded but yeah it's a very it's a very confusing and being back fame. It's it's going to be on the PODCAST. One day it will be on the volume. Are It's cheesy. That ending is where hunting is standing of this cliff by herself and then Leon Claire like Inter offscreen at separate sides which is like almost creepy now Hannigan hundred cutters though on Hannity. Oh yeah we forgot to mention. Huntington is on the phone chronically who is from revenue afford. I didn't like that was kind of a cool. Touch on again is I feel like really his underutilization. We need a hunting story does that she takes over I WANNA say her in Clive for Brian. Like Oh God I wanna say like site the BSA at some point like there's a BSA like inner conflicts inflicts. I think I know another another episode. No I don't know Huntington's like never shows up. AstraZeneca Nikola liens cue to James Bond exaggerating any last things you guys just want to say about this movie. I have on the whole the end of it. After this whole thing well first of all there's a very funny scene where clearly on her like WanNa hang out now. I got Shitzu like both of them. Both of them kind of implied. WanNa hang out and then both of them separately say no. We are both busy. Leon like like all it's. It's like a series of comedy shots where it's hunt again and then Leon declared just appear that it's a close up on Leon and suddenly does a helicopter bind. You WanNa ride. Eh Clair's life things I've got a limo and suddenly behind her is ronny interrupts. It's it's like a series. I'm a hard cuts huts that are all. I think they're all supposed to be really funny but it's like going on that. Helicopter earlier is right next to them. Yeah we go into the actual like epilogue of the movie which is only like a minute and a half but this is is like we're really leads into five where Shitty senator did killed somehow. You don't know how a cipher I wanted to mention. I almost forgot thank you yeah. He's just like dead at his desk with a newspaper covering his face because that's how you know he's dead. I like how that's A. That's a trope in movies where somebody somebody will be held on their desk and just have a paper on their face like. Oh Yeah as you also got arrested for. ilise. Bee's knees resigned office over Algebra. I inside not being arrested as A. US Senator Senator is never going to jail machine that reality right now that trump is so funny to me like somebody would walk into his office and see him lip at his chair with a newspaper cover is facing. They're like Oh. He's sleeping like there's just leave them there for days so so tug out what's that smell. I spilled his strawberry jam Oliver Himself L. Cleanup later the I think what I saw I didn't it didn't meaning to me or it didn't click but you see everything off it and of course one of those shots try shell on it. Yes down yeah because cells. Spy deletion software has the try so branding on it. It's the classic umbrella thing where they got mark all their shit and it's just like that you have like somebody's somebody's sitting at their computers like somebody is like holding onto all their files like they're. They're collating everything and stealing. Oh Shit. WHO's doing this. Try South Thousand Cots. Just put your name on your deletion program. It's a virus didn't even exist until revenue five. Those are the first anything you think you see and then it's shows of the ruins of the facility I think it's yeah I think it's silly an they are thinking of the Gerardus like a courtesy remains in putting them in containers and it's much guys in suits. Try Sell all GIGAN- object. Asthma suit against has been sued. There's a Harvard and try so logos wearing large as they are pretty. You'll see what I I mean. I can't actually see because try ridden over there. visor says completely away from Talladega and I can't see I can't see a damn thing but I sure do love Fig Newton. I can't see a damn thing you love working for. Try Sale is the only outfit slashed ashed complete like you know 'cause try fell plays a big part in revenue Faisal would say five retry cell is a Shell Corporation that is just umbrella vapid didn't even really know. I haven't played five and so long as I don't really remember any of that story. That's like the big reveal in five is like they're trying to find all this stuff. Out of. I try like try. Cell is umbrella like yeah. No Shit no Shit Chris. It was it was handed. Hold on its exact suffered everything that this movie. I do have one thing I want to say before. We close up there. Actually is a mobile game this movie Yes. I didn't even insisted he played googling for this for this again. I actually try. You can try to find an online. I've found something that would lead to it but delisted everywhere. Also I found it in a way that I'm not going to mention but it is online. If you really WanNa Google Front what is it. It's a T. generation. I think rose resume I it is. It's basically appears one game of resonable floor taking place in the same setting as the movie eh but you have an over the shoulder view the the last boss actually you have to you have to guide him into a jet engine so it's overblown yeah you literally as Leon Guide him into jet engine. You turn the button on he goes into into it. Liens like Nice than the game. It's also an engaged or anyone has an NBA looking for reasonably wow. Is that bad. No I can gauge. It's been gone but I'm sure there's a engage emulator wonder if you could still get engaged not there's only a nokia phones. Nokia and then it was on iphone for a while but I think they d listed it. If you had I was gouvernement. It is found someone that posted a link to it but I didn't download it. It's gotta be something out there because this is this is the Internet somebody out there has to have jailbreak in their iphone and they're still running engage on it. One Guy who's like no engage was the best system ever just desperately in. It's Har this up so long. I thought it was my shouldn't Kaik. Keep saying fucking game. This is not a game. This is a movie. It just looks like a cut scene and I'm Oh my God. That's a long time after we cut this down at definitely won't be as long this Do you think I do editing but this recording is about the length of the movie about Greta Hour and thirty one. Yes six minutes of the recording movie is about an hour not counting the credits about an hour and forty minutes that you're listening to US bitch about this movie in talking about it. You could also lost the movie. Let's just leave five minutes of silence into the gas station so that way longer than I was just yeah we'll get up. I'll drink go jonathan resulting. We'll come back in five minutes all right. I think we should move to shelter box. I'M GONNA go. I actually 'cause I want to and I'm going to put this on the shelf because I honestly enjoyed this movie and even though I hadn't watched some two thousand eight and I almost forgot it existed until I was like so you know we should do this on the and I found it. I I liked this movie. I think it adds a little doesn't really add that much overall story but adds. A little bit is entertaining is worth worth. It's worth your time to sit down and watch it definitely going on the shelf how much do Stephan but he's so man all right so there's going to be a little bit of controversy here but on. I actually enjoyed the first live action. Resident is an evil movie more than this movie. This has been great so before I live action movie so I feel you like somebody somewhere just punch monitor or their phone or something you want to pay for that. Shit but no I this. This movie isn't what I want it because when I first saw it it's clear Leon and the first thing I think of as resident evil two and just kind of wanted more of that more the horror more of them. It's Kinda funny. 'cause they're close. Actually are like different versions of their closing resonable to class. Classic clear always has do- read for some reason yeah. It's it's just the same thing over and over again and a little bit of the movie too is preying on this stall which I'm not a fan of for some reason I don't know because it's probably just points to the fact that this isn't what I wanted but I still think it's a good movie. It's just not the movie I WANNA and I'm GonNa put it in the box still this is also kind of I mean I really do enjoy this movie. I'm going to say it's going on my shelf because I do. You enjoy it. As I enjoyed as a resident you will as a movie. There are things I appreciate about it. I appreciate the CGI. I I appreciate it as a resin. You will fan. I appreciate the airport escape scene. I think the whole airport section is great has its. That's like that's what it feels like the most residents it feels like it could have the most core aspects to agree with Stefan here. I guess what it feels like. It could really do some good scares and stuff It's got like atmosphere to it. That's kind of missing from the rest of the movie I think as a movie it's not great like I said it's so rigidly structured auctioned to the point where it's like like this happens and then this happens this happens. It's very clear like we're moving onto the next thing. We're going to talk about that works for some movies. Don't don't get me wrong. It's not bad thing as -sarily it doesn't work for this It feels like it's a it feels like a video game where it's like. You're you're skipping to chapter to all of a sudden and it's an entirely different level. I like. I like the characters very resident evil. They're very like over this op ridiculous this. Ron Davis is basically the penguin for Batman. It's going shelf for like for like weird reasons I. I don't think I would recommend this to everybody. I'd only recommend like hardcore. Recipe will fans. I think 'cause as well. I don't know like Mike. You're not super big president offending realize it so. I love the story. I just don't really care for the original like ten controls. I'm bad at those but I I love resident evil as a whole Alga as site. It's the movie it's a fun movie. I don't think it's a great movie. I think it's got some really fun moments in the movie though so it's going to my show for that. I'm pretty forgiving. You are still did anyone else notice. How liens hair does not change through the whole movie cloth the whole time will I. I suspect that Leon has like a mountain of Jalen air whenever any anywhere onscreen because it also looks Super Jones frightened maybe nearly on has like plastic these actually bald and he's GonNa Y'all Um Is Ellen Mary like a you got any advice berry. I think it's time to start wrapping as I distract everybody from my bald head with my giant gone all right time revenue up. I I want to thank everyone for listening. You can follow us on facebook. Instagram twitter also WanNa thank Bobby Mike Stony for awesome intro altro cool kids squad from his EP bite the bullet. I WanNa thank everyone for listening and I hope you enjoyed radar spooky movie for October. Everyone have a wonderful night and listen to a podcast so that we can do an episode nation much. Yes I also could go longer than the movie by the way. Yes Awesome Anyway UH.

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 235: Featuring Sean Avery

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 235: Featuring Sean Avery

"Where everybody welcome to episode two hundred thirty five of spitting chip. It's presented by Pink Whitney the pink lemonade flavored vodka from our friends over at New Amsterdam. Vodka we apologize will come to you a little bit late on Monday. We had some travel issues but it ended up in the worst thing because we had some huge news Komo with a y late Sunday. We're going to get to shortly. Let's say hello to the boys I as always produce a G my eagerly. How's it going pal? It's going great. I had had myself a fantastic weekend. I went to my first show ever on Broadway on Friday night on Saturday. I got to see the bruins spanked the islanders at the Barclay Center. And now I'm here here with you guys on Monday. Got To have Sunday off to relax a little bit so I'm ready to go. I got so many questions here that was it a date. It was a date it was a date and the worst part was I had to pay for two cups of wine. Fifty four dollars for two half cups of wine. Those those which play. Did you go see by the way I saw. Chicago's fantastic and all that jazz all. Yeah Oh shit. Maybe we've got a karaoke battle between Vulcan Grenell alright all right Dan for that and then is Barclays our. How'd you pronounce it? It was the Barclay Center. You had a nice little Twang on that back lease went down and saw Torey Krug after the game had some nice words for him he had some nice words for us about the podcast so shuttered. Toy Kruger's well will you lathering up as quads quads and Kenai brands a stroke yourself off one hundred percent. That's why I went down. There awesome awesome. Good weekend and that jumping in early of course as Paul Biz. Nasty D. Bissonnette. What's up Buddy Ben? I traveled once again. You're always traveling. Yeah I was in Toronto then London. I gave that speech at the University of Western Ontario. I just want to thank all those college kids who put together guys these these kids. They gave me hope in the future. All very respectful intelligent young individuals and You know I was. I was was very nervous. I ended up getting up there and we me and Faizal from sports net. He was the one TV up so that made things a little bit easier. I didn't have to just get up there and talk myself but but Yeah I WANNA thank them in Jon Chaikin Aaron Cohen. Who obviously with the coyotes? I didn't realize that John Chaika was the youngest general manager in in all of major sports history at twenty seven years old. I thought it was just hockey. So little fun fact for everybody and that's young on my age. Imagine me being an answer. Yeah Oh yeah you'd be lathering up guys quads. Before Games you'd be the fucking best year I'm ever But no it was great guys and I was very humbled by the experience and once again. I can't thank them enough right. And last but not least Ryan Whitney the whip dog. What's going on buddy? You still golfing what to call yet. Snowing right now I went to a Broadway show one time me and my wife went into New York City and Boston up my neck. I got a herniated disc on the train and I was losing my mind. I can't even move when it happens but at least you still have to go to the a show going to go to the show. It was that movie it was it was the Broadway. Play a boat like Africa or something. What is it Book Mormon Book of Mormon Yahtzee. I see that and so I had muscle relaxers. Thank God I took like fourteen of them and then she looked over in the middle of the play and we were third row so imagine what what the people onstage dot Hong Kong and. That's a thousand dollars ticket. Wake up wake up and I would wake up. But like what's your body's on those muscle relaxers. I was right back seat three seconds later so I never really saw the show but I was on Broadway. One time sucks about the price is Mikey Nice. Nice Nice of you to C Krueg squad though is GonNa say the same thing Biz. Did what else was brought up while I was going to say for the one the one. Why didn't you get full cops? What do you mean half Cups Dude? Full Cups would have been like seventy five dollars but at that point. I mean you're already screwed bro. Like what's the extra twenty bucks walks you might as well have a full glass and catch a buzz and final Biz. Great great congratulations. That's awesome where you where you spoke and and had the whole What kind of meet and greet thing was? It is a business. School was if he's not too many questions. Okay please. I was trying to digest everything and it was the. Yeah the IVY. It was a sports management conference. So that's that's a and so Matteo John. Thank you guys and eight when a ED. How much did you pay for those third row tickets? 'cause I went to book a Mormon where membrane associated the deal with Jane where I only had to pay for half my ticket but but those tickets were were even near third row and we're running seven hundred and fifty bucks a pop. You must've been over a thousand. I never remember things like that all uh so I went to a surprise birthday party. Saturday night do that. No idea fortieth birthday Danny mcglaughlin. He's got absolutely no but on him. He's got like a box showed up his mum's Work Party. That had a magician. I guess he was back at his wife. Walks and bunch of people and there was hilarious but I was reminded there by a guy that mean Foley cranked them ten years on. We totally forgot. We used to do the same prank. We must have got one hundred people so I'll remind me at the end of the Yep so to tell you that one that's the key people around because apparently no one's GonNa stick around because we have Schon Adrian today don't we are yes. We you do He gets quite a reaction. We do introduce our next guest ahead of time or loosening on that list and it's like bullshit you still gonNA listen anyways. I mean I think it's great I mean it. It means people fucking care one way or the other but I think everyone bitches is still going to tune in and the ironic pot as we didn't really talk like wasn't like come on track hockey. We actually talked about some non hockey things like his likelihood of getting murdered and traffic and do city. What would the bike lanes situation and him being in a big production Hollywood production with criminal and so I thought it was a really interesting conversation. We had with them. And at the end of it. So Scott Gomez came in and he was interviewed right before Sean Avery was on and they played together in NYC so towards the end of the interview Scott Gomez ended up hop on and tell us a few of the stories of when they played together one of which was was a rule change. And you guys probably know what I'm alluding to. I don't WanNa give way too much. Listen to the fucking interview abors and Interesting Guy I get some of. You may think he's a fucking asshole but at least you get entertained. We just mentioned skype Gomez whereas of course he was on the New Jersey devils. And that's a team that made a lot of news over the weekend particularly Sunday night. Huge news drop was actually kind of good. We got delayed. Because we're able to give I take on on this. The New Jersey Devils Fight Jersey devils fired general manager. Ray Shero out of nowhere. I mean this usually a little bit whispers. Maybe from the Canadian meteor up north but there was absolutely really. No Room is anything. That's just Kinda come out of the blue and what's crazy. He just made two huge moves that really affect the future this organization. They dropped the I you know. He dropped the coach. The coach any traded tail Hotta Arizona. And then all of a sudden they fire him what. Let's go to you on this. I may be one of the most shocking. GM firings firings. I've I've I can remember makes absolutely no sense how this is all gone down and so right now you look at the two owners. I think there's two of them might be more more. Josh Harris and David Blitzer. They talk about making zero sense zero cents in an explanation of why you decided it to fire your GM after trading former MVP and after firing the coach you end up just right before six weeks before trade deadline. Let's just get rid of our GM to it's like what what I don't know what they're thinking and the amazing. The amazing thing is if you want to hear the devils managing partner. Josh Harris the quote quotes Computer Fan. Looking for a reason as to why this is happening not necessarily every fans happy with Ray Shero but right. What's going on why they fire them? It's never a good time to do do this but once you make the decision you have to act on it. We thought this was the right thing to do for the franchise. We're just not getting it done. We're just not getting it done buddy what we haven't been winning there was nothing really specific. Nothing really specific. What are you talking about? How how are you letting a guy who you all all offer have been down for a while if you're gonNA gas him like this? How are you letting him decide if he's getting rid of the coach and what he wants in return for Taylor Hall? It's like I just the timing of. It makes absolutely no sense. If you're a fan of the team you have to wonder. Where is the direction of this team going now and the same way as very happy for Elaine now starting to get a chance head coach very happy for Tom Fitzgerald as well lost out to the Minnesota job when Paul Fenton got it that was two thousand eighteen so he now gets his chance to become GM which is always wanted? And I think everyone realized would happen at some point but it comes at the expense of his mentor and he mentioned that ratio done talk for him in Pittsburgh They WanNa Stanley Cup. They're together bill. Garin was a part of that group. He's now a GM so a bunch of people that learned a lot of things from Ray Shero are getting to move up while he he ends up getting fired in a in a move that just to me makes no sense timing wise my brain around this and it could be a bunch of small variables. Variables could be pumped maybe public opinion on the fact that they weren't happy about the return on the Taylor Hall trade which I mentioned that I thought it was okay. Okay you know unless you waited to the deadline and found a desperate team to give you more. I mean that was the best option it also. You had to remember that that that both teams weren't going to give you an overvalue it. Because he wasn't prepared to resign. He wanted to wait to the summer time to in order to lock in for a big contract now while maybe another little thing that upset them was the. PK trade because that hasn't necessarily worked out as well as they assumed to be. You know he's I. I would assume mm-hmm everyone's assessment on that trade is has been. PK's underperformed a little bit right. Can we all say that. He hasn't laid the same as he did in Nashville. And maybe it's because it just hasn't been a good fit there because in Nashville he was tremendous and they didn't miss fucking playoffs when PK was in Nashville and now that team struggling. So sometimes it's it's a lose lose situation in a trade situation on then looking even further into it. Maybe it's a situation where Fitzgerald had other options coming into the summertime where they didn't want to lose him and they saw him as the next new GM and they thought that in order to keep him they had to get rid of ratio. So I'd imagine if that's the a case that's going to be an uncomfortable situation for Fitzgerald. Because Ray was his mentor. But but I don't. I don't think ratio is going to be without the job for long. He's a fucking very competent general manager. I mean I look at some other major moves that he's made for that organization. I would say Adam Henrique for VAT that and and is that how you pronounce his last name. I'd say that was a a fairly significant one as of late within the last few years I think that definitely playing a lot better than then he did when I moved over there in. Henry Henryk is a solid player but can you think of anything else that would be like He made a bad decision or bad. Move here the trapping. I think you could question that Pavel Zaka pick is not looking good. He was fourth overall. So the thing is though. Oh it's like you just you just want as an owner. You can do whatever you want. That's that's that's you're right. I mean you own the team do whatever you want. Whatever you want but I just feel like there should be rationale behind things and so when you can't give any in terms of wide now? Why why did you allow him to make those moves? It's like I know. So you're saying the moves upset them not much but I. I don't know if it makes no sense to me in terms of where do you go from here because now you gotta figure version ends. He's Ufa so do you. Shop him around. We mentioned Simmons. There's another they have another Ford. I think WHO's your face. You have to figure out that along with the goaltending so blackwood at times looked like he's GonNa be. He's twenty three years old. He's looked awesome. Maybe he could be the future starter and then is time these look like Kinda average it show. It's like you got to figure out where you go from here. They still schneider six million the next two years and after year and he shared by the way like he he hasn't been on really any good teams that the one playoff run but is he he looked like an awesome first overall. Pick to you is certainly not at the level. Here's what I'm saying is is that I guess. There is justification the fact that they're not happy with the t where the team is with with him an body of work. He's done there. Fox I mean and Christ Some of these guys said just haven't worked out where most people would have made those decisions in that situation too. I mean I'm not saying I. I hate to throw Jack us in the mix but it just sucks that. He's the one guy gets drafted first overall. WHO's supposed to be like the next mcdavid where I mean? When's the last time a guys you know only performed up to what he's done so far so if it was all these little moves if you're the owner and whoever's onstage announcing the firing fucking say it like are they just hoping that it just goes away without having a explain to to anyone widey fucking condom so I don't know it's I don't I don't really have much to say EH? Fires Mistakes Biz. I think one thing you can. Maybe criticize him about was standing pat on the goaltending going into this year given the last couple years of Schneider I mean there's a guy that had down to the minors he wasn't performing you know you could say maybe they should have improved in that area but also to there was a ton of hype. I can't remember the last time the doubles had this much hype on into a season between the acquisitions of PK. Wayne Simmons than bringing choose. Everybody thought they were GonNa sail until the playoffs and you know right now. There are eleven points out of a spot to teams beneath them in the east and so I wonder if the owners of war expect a lot more just from this season but either way the timing of it is just like you say it just it just kinda waxed how the blue Share was hired back in May fifteen. The devils only made the playoffs basically. Once in his ten year they lost in the first round. Back in I think it was twenty eighteen and also to what you mentioned Tommy Fits. It must be weird. May I like it's like the mob hit only other business with somebody gets whacked in like we lost the anybody a job hoping for me now. It's probably the allergy. We had tangle of emotions of something by either way. Good luck to Tommy fits. He's on Boston. has asked for a long time. You Know Work Assistant Director Personnel. And all this thought show you know best elect now. We also praised hero for being competent. GM and then Kinda you know tore all his little trades and moves apart a little bit. You might see pulmonary are we there. That was another good deal. I would say most of those trades when they happened if not all of them I was like. That's a great move. Like bringing Simmons and great move when they picked up. PK I'm like fucking right. This this guy is a proven winner. where he's bringing helping bring his team in the playoffs every year I mean I don't think he really had a choice with Jack. Use thing I mean that was the guy a and he showed that he was the first overall pick. I mean capital Cocco hasn't really as he surpassed him and play so far early in his career. No no it wasn't like they really missed the other thing. That was funny. It was like in terms of time in the devils. She started playing. Well they were. They were five three and two in their last ten I saw and then and they beat Tampa Bay so they're coming off a five one win over Washington and a three one win over Tampa Bay. Louis deeming started both. Those played phenomenal. But it's just if you're a devil's fan right now man. You GotTa Be Pretty Pretty Disgusted. That's kind of what it comes down to. Your team isn't very good. The whole front you've got an interim coaching and interim and GM maybe that is the recipe for success is out on their toes at all times. Nobody's Kit and contracts. Were going game to game now with to hop in their Sokha was sixth overall. Pick and Andy. Green is also a free agent. Coming up thank man. Good luck to all you devils fans. I know you've been through some a few painful years here so I hope things turn around for you and good luck to Shiro. I love Shero. Think he's a great person I hope he it gets a job soon. Yeah you think you love Ray Shero. He's one who gave me twenty four million. I die for that guy so you'll be back whenever you want in the front office. I know no it. Yeah he definitely won't have any issue getting a job after here. Though some other big news Sunday night down in Sunrise Florida. Jonathan Hubadoo had a goal and an assist to break the panthers his team record for points. His Assistant Mike Robbins third period goal gave them for one hundred twenty points to pass all yolk in and take the top spot. which you know? It's another one of these guys who was an absolute stud but doesn't get as proper. Do I think you know if he played in the northeast candidate probably be a perennial all star which take on sable though. Oh you and it's really been the last you know last year and this year where he's taken that next level jump you know ninety points last year he's probably GonNa GonNa get that this year you know. Knock on wood. He stays healthy looking what he's doing congrats to him I'm more WANNA focus. Well I WANNA folks who but I I want to bring up. Because he passed all Kokin talk about a very underrated player in his day. All the yoke and it could bring it. That guy was an animal. Did you see the case. The trophy case. They had for only oaken Florida. Did you guys get a look at us now. Oh my God checklist memes is going to have a field day with it. It was the most depressing depressing pathetic display for your all time. They need score. They had like old helmet. That wasn't even the helmet. He wore just a random blue helmet like a magazine like on the floor and then like one picture and like his Jersey hung up just pathetic. We'll see we'll get that picture tweeted for everyone to see it so that was horrible. Hopefully Lee Someday Huber Doa way better you know case of showing what he did for this organization and are a type of player. Is you're very right. In terms of how underrated radio is and that has a lot to go with being panther and being in a market. That is isn't huge. What did this guy dominates? And it's funny because you look back at his draft two two thousand eleven. It's wild to think that he He's been in the League for that long but top three picks nugent-hopkins land discard huber dough. Biz Who do you take right now. I think yeah yeah. It'd be between him and land discography just as far as how can create and produce offense. Yeah Yeah I would have to bump up him up to the top. Land Scott's a very solid leader on you know he's reliable good in all facets of the game but I mean with with ty you have if the plane nowadays. Yeah I pick Hubert. Oh it's crazy as you said how. The trajectory of his career keeps going up and up and he sustained a few major injuries. Didn't he snapped his Achilles a few years ago. Oh I don't know if it was a killer but yeah he did he did battle. He has battled in. So he's yeah he had to battle of a few a few major things and and like you said it's a shame that that these guys are getting lost in in Florida but that team's starting to make moves where they're getting talked about more and more just because of where they are. You don't hear enough about him. I mean they you gotTa have. They still beheading overs like they were at the start of the year. Eight four last night they won. I don't know if they're still doing it but it is just so when they're going when when they have nights when they're just clicking and their power play they can almost be on. Stop on east. You always see them giving up three or four as as well but the way that they can score and like so many teams would look around and do anything to have an offense like that and it's pretty cool that they're coming up huge win as Quenneville gets ready to go back to Shaw Chicago goal. Which I'm sure it'd be emotional for everyone involved us your? Do you know how they're doing in attendance because every time I see highlights it seems like there are more and more people in that arena. Yeah I don't know what the exact them but just watching the games. I do definitely seem like there are more people on the low ball. I mean they got of playoff caliber team. If it's another city that needs it a good run. They had that run when they first broke again and that Buzz wore off a long time ago. But you know my that market though I m e Fort Lauderdale is probably the most fickle sports Mike in the city. You know when you're talking about a sport that's not native to the area but Yeah the attendance said the numbers. I don't know off the top of my head but it definitely arena. Looks a lot fuller and which go back to your point. Five is not yet I would take atom Washington Flipping Padilla Hall. There you go. You're taking away outside the box. They're like don't even talked Ra. You won't even understand what he's thinking or saying yeah. He went third overall the year and he spent eight seasons as Anthony's never spent the day in the minors either You also got a mention because we talk about some of the best bargains in the League. Heuberger right now is in the middle of a six year thirty five million dollar contract so he averages under six the year think about their whole team. Fucking Bark gobs on a ridiculous deal. Barkov is one of the best league for making less than Hubert. All that money is he barely making less than him they both they both make five point nine million. That's that's Boston. That's what you're looking at. What the bruins these guys are like may make them Hoff Hoffmann five one throat check four seven dabbing off four million like this is like and findings basement this vodka and Ross one? Do they have a good time. We spent on Florida. They deserve it. Yeah absolutely yeah and I love to see them get an an a nice run especially boy K Y But boys the Firearms Song. Oh Hey Ross. Yandell Dr Dr Ross the drink shrink he'll be back he's coming back. I think very soon he's got a bunch of things. A bunch of different stories people emailed them and he told me yesterday he was coaching one of his sons. In the Ref Song Ref skated by and Song. The head coach she goes. I know who you are. It's tough to him for him to get through all those emails. He's got like ten kids. So Oh he's gotta be Andy Reid any carried so we've got people claiming on twitter that they were the second sock down on the arena. Oh we heard the audio one on guy claimed that and then some other guy claimed that athletes off the check the feed later today to see who I who it really was but anyways boys the real fireworks this weekend happened Saturday night the battle of Alberta Calgary Edmonton Calgary won their fifth in a row and jumped in the first place in the Pacific but all people want us to talk about after the game was the matthew could check. Zack Kassian run. It's unreal stuff man. The first time get could chuck Berry cash and I thought it should have been a penalty. Looked like his hip. Cotton are cash neck at area. No calling the play then he fucking bundle them again. Later in the game cash took exception to snap kind of slap a little beat Nakhichevan ended up fighting. Give Calgary power play. which was the difference in the game? Great stop either way wit talking get on on this one quick. I started the other one inside so I saw the video. When when the whole melee ensued? You're saying there was an incident right before that that had happened earlier in the game. Okay so so casting. It probably had enough. Kassian had his face to the wall and he had somebody on his on his back and Katrina came off his check and came down to hit Kassian. I mean considering people are saying his ASS Kinda hit his neck area which of course it would be a hit to the head. Kassian was pretty hunched over. Mind you the fact that he came off his check in quote unquote blindsided them now. Now I'm going to say it was like a complete dirty blindside but I think that there was some there was a rift. They're going on where he wanted to fucking get him in of owner -able situation. I don't have a problem problem with the way Kassian handled that. That's fucking the game policing itself. That's exactly what Brian Burke talked about when he came in the podcast. and to me. Personally if you're going to play with that edge like Matica chuck does I don't care if he fights them but I care I okay with Kassian handling it. The way he did did I would have liked to have seen chuck fucking fight him because he was going after him deliberately like the old play Dennis Bond. They used just to do it a lot when when when when defenseman would be taking authority taken to defend wide and he would end up getting around the net. That weak side Ford would come down down office point and just fucking put them right into the wall. You know what I'm talking about and I kind of saw that out of that. Hit where you know. He came off his check in order to take a run at Kassian. So Do you feel that. That you're okay with Kassian job in the mets and fucking taking matters in his own hand. Considering it was it was it was kind of a target. Oh one hundred percent. I have so many things to say about this. Because you've read a million different from comments about all that I'll start with this matthew could chuck dirty rat okay. He's a rat. That's that's what he does. You know what else he is. He's an awesome player and every single guy and his team loves And there's been amazing dirty hockey players before Mark Messier. Chris Chellios the list goes on and on to be dirty as much as fans. You hate players. Who are dirty an Omega Omega? That makes many many hockey players and will forever are hopefully make many many hockey players who they are and why they are great is being a dirty rat on the ice Brad Marchand the same exact way. Okay Matthew Chuck Chuck people say Kassian. Call them a pussy right in the media. So he's a pussy maybe he doesn't fight. Yeah call the Pussy Horsey right. He doesn't have to fight every person out there. He has to fight if he's GonNa hit like that no he doesn't you may want him to. I think that it would be the the honorable thing to do. Business said he probably should fight. If you watch you can say you should fight him. You're going to run around like that. You should fight him. You know what he doesn't have to especially clean nowadays with the rules like this. Okay he does not have all the people who are so furious about this entire incident Matthew Chuck he has to fight him no dude no he doesn't he he doesn't have to fight them. You know what he does. He doesn't fight him. He turtles and many people say looks like Pussy looks foolish while they got power play and they scored the game winning goal on the power play. So what do you mean has to fight. He just proved didn't and his team won. Now there's a flip side to all this and I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm not even giving an opinion. I'm explaining tall sides to this. That Kassian had every right in the world to rag doll him and beat the bag out of them like he did and you know what part of it is is is embarrassment. Because I'm pretty sure that you'll back this up no matter who you are especially if you're guys tough is big and strong. Zack Kassian when you get lit up. Not once but but twice by the same guy. You're embarrassed. He got his helmet he got buried buried with his helmet. Knocked off quite all. Say this in my situation. I wasn't implying a lot. I would never want to put my team down. A man and I didn't really have the luxury to do that because my leash was literally an inch long. And if I would've took a stupid Pantley I'd be out of wine for ten games but if I felt that somebody had head hunted me. My wires would across the exact same thing. And that's exactly what happened. Okay now the two hits all right. Let's talk about the hits. The first hit Kassy's coming around the net and that was a dirty hit. Scottie upshall roller on twitter. It's a dirty hit hit and and in the end do I think he hit him in the head. I don't think it was the principal point of contact. I think he definitely caught part of his head. The League is decided that is not worth any supplemental disciplined this discipline. Whatever the word is I'm okay with that I mean I kind of could've seen either way? You want to give him a game or two for that hit. I'm fine with it and if you don't I'm kind of all right with it as well it's weird. I'm like fifty fifty the second hit when Cassie and snap I thought was an awesome. Hit another another play. I'll I'll say was dirty in the fact that you're leaving your man. It's the Colby Armstrong hit when used to knock people out but he turned around and he buried the guy with his head down and and separated from the PUCK. That was not that was not a dirty hit. I mean I'm sorry it was a dirty act. Go down the kit itself. I don't think was against the rules to stopping. It's stepping in for your. I D I. I hadn't seen it. It's basically exactly what I described as far as the Dennis Bond be one. He came down the weeks. I point and ended up dirty. Yeah he played a part of his head. But it okay but it's the League decided not to give them anything. So they must see the part. Where castings bent over shirking it bent over enough and they think that the first point he hit the main point that he hit him was in his shoulder? Whatever it was it was it's a skull? It's a scumbag hit. It's GonNa Piss a player playoff okay. So the second one the one that was the good hit what you see cassie and do is exactly what you said is that is full blown. I have no control of my body mind or spirit right now. I'm going to kill the sky walking going to murder him so in the end after when tip it says tip tip. It was a Dave Tippett was asked. What do you think about? You Know Kassian getting getting a penalty and you guys lose it on the power play goal. He said well I thought it was. It was a dirty hit. I understand it but I wish she taken a number and that's the final thing. Is that as you understand. Why Kassian did it? And there's no stopping at that point when you look it's like Oh my God. If he had just taken a number and gotten them back then the game could have been different and it was a game for first place now Kassian said after he goes on. It's middle of the season. I'd do it all over again. This isn't GonNa make or break us. Well if you don't get in the playoffs by one point it could end up looking like it make break you but I understand where he was coming from in that basically basically nothing is going to calm me down. Nothing's GonNa slow me down because this rat that I wanna murder just fucking buried me again in almost the same exact style hit and I'm GonNa GonNa kill him so the whole aspect of fans saying like Chuck Noll he doesn't Kassian Kassian Kassian should've Should've squared up with them. I saw that like what are you talking about. He knows he's not gonNa Square up with him. He's just GonNa fucking kill me sees him. He's going to murder them. That's IT I wanNA kill him the thing that Cassie and could do moving forward. Tell me if I'm wrong on this. He knows next game could chuck won't find him. He's not gonNA fight him. This is when you start like doc take an example and going after Monahan going after Gujrat it saying. This is your teammate. Did this to you idiots. I'M GONNA kill you because he's a rat and and he won't fight me so now I'm going after it's the same way that that In the Cup of limited series Toronto versus the Kings when Gretzky scored and the Kings went on to lose mantra on the Cup final. While nine hundred Clark Window Clark was all over Gretzky all over him trying to kill him and and Marty mcsorley said. Wendell cut the fucking Shit and you know what Wendel Clark didn't cut the shit you know. What Marty mcsorley did? He started trying to murder. Doug Gilmour all right cool you go after my guy your rat or you do something that you're not going to answer the bell for. I'm getting somebody else on your team. And they can blame you. This is your fault. You're GONNA get you. You could tell him. You'RE GONNA get one of your teammates murdered because you being a punk and you won't answer the bell and then the other thing about it was Oh my God was fun to watch WanNa talk about emotion back in on us. Thank you Saturday night to the battle of Alberta talkable being back and the League can hate it and they cannot show highlights. It's of it you watch the game recap on H.. L. Dot Com. It's like five minutes long. They don't show a clip of that madness while the league's better off for having that madness and you you could say what you want that. That was exciting. That was fun to watch. I think everyone enjoyed it. And I'll tell you right now. Zack Kassian is GONNA get suspended. I think which is shocking shocking to some but you look back. Darnell nurse got suspended for the same type incident where he grabbed Rome. Pollak didn't really WANNA fight and you beat the shit out of them and not only did. Did he get the penalty on the ice. He got to thinking three games. More so the League's doing thing and where they want to protect people who earn vulnerable positions and when Kassy's acids rag going Matthew Chuck by the way the linesmen the lines and I thought he could have gotten a little bit earlier this he met him fucking rip them down. Throw going. You're going and yeah you're sucking different FORTEX. Although so many different aspects to this. I can't believe I waited long to saying that how awesome it was how exciting it was. This is a hockey fan to see it. But the ref the linesmen man you gotta you gotTa think the couple of guys around the League that want Matthew could chuck dead might chuck some money money to that lines. The thanks buddy gave cassie in another ten seconds. Waylon on his Dole. He actually said that in his post-game quote he said quote he was grateful. The Ref didn't commend right away because he was able to get a couple extra lixin and as far as the GONNA play a safety cash does have a hearing Monday for roughing slash aggressor on Calgary's matthew contract and like you said Don L. Nurse you've got three games of the same thing essentially fighting the guy who doesn't want to fight you and you beat the shit out of him and he wants nothing to do with it and the quotes it's after the game are good and we're casting are. He mentioned. He called him a pussy and Cassie and had a great little line of you wouldn't fight me last year. He called me a fourth final. Now I've got thirteen goals. What's the the reason now caught? That was pretty good. And then paraphrasing. I don't have it in front of me. Matthew Chuck Sir. I don't give a shit if you don't Wanna get go ahead. No I get ahead and see if he doesn't WanNA get hip than stay off. The tracks caught him three times. This so you think he learned after the first one but if he wants to react like that we'll take the P P we'll take the game we'll move on to first place place I mean he like and then he has asked about fighting. I'm not fighting him. That's a tough little trade off there. Now that's a total dig saying fucking taking him him off. The ice is an equivalent to take me off. I thought that was a funny photos. Well I'd regardless of what side you lie on this game needs villains because it's the entertainment even business and just watching all this now. Because I hadn't had the chance to catch up and I saw I saw the one where we're cassie ended snapped. I will definitely say the one before that but as far dirtier Oh yeah the second one was a good hit you. I'm going to retract my statement from from watching. Ah I ended up seeing it from a different angle so regardless boys we've spent quite a bit of time on the subject but I'd imagine like you said with the Battle of Alberta has it's just had gasoline put on the fire and the Kassian could end up regretting another post game quote where he said You know what next game I think I know he's is not GonNa fight me and so I'll just wait till he's in I don't know if he said vulnerable position but something where like if he now does anything you have. The old dot quotes beforehand to really Barrio area. So we'll have to be smart if he is in the lineup for the for the neck all that degree murder. You're dead you're dead. I mean I just loved it. I loved watching it I love. This is this shit after emotion regular season hockey. That's a special thing. That's how most people who watch hockey hockey. Let's not let the fucking small all minority who just fucking complain. Online violence people loved it. Yeah that cashing quote where it's like. It's going to be one of those games where I know. He's not going to invite but maybe it's my turn to deliver something to follow him around a little and wait until he gets in a bad situation simple so it's almost like he's Kinda delivered to through the media there and the other part of Tippett's scored I thought was was good. He said I deal with winning the game. He said like in other words you know yeah take a number of deal at one of the game right now and hope cashing if you're an Edmonton Fan. Learns his lesson the Matt and let's just be honest about this entire situation if you're a fan of Edmonton you'd want to check on your team. If you're a fan of Calgary you'd want casting on your team either fucking gamers. They're the guys you want to go to bat with so pay just so happens. They just hate each other's guts taking over marshawn. No Oh yeah a- and he hasn't been scoring and you saw her mention i. I'm trying to do other things. That's a good players. Do granted his other things. Just beat a dirty rat act. But you gotta bring something to the table if you're not scoring and his coach Ward said after the game was his best game in a long time so onto onto more league happenings openings or whatever we actually was definitely close shave for constructive because it could have been much worse but I bet he's probably using the Phillips Roca one blade the Philips norelco one blade is the one one to let let you trim edge and shave any length of fail at the single pass. It's easy to use for both your face and body and styles made simple the one blade does it all Boston Philips norelco of teamed up the stubble bold sweepstakes giving one lucky won a trip to the party with the Basel Crew in Miami Prize. Include a trip to including roundtrip if a hotel and access the Boston radio in VIP tickets to rough and rowdy. Eleven in Miami so go to boscell stubble bowl dot com to end the fulfilled terms and conditions. Grab Your Philips Norelco One Blade to get you ready for Miami. Wanted definitely take advantage of that free trip to Miami. I even I do that. I'm more of a more of a Gulf coast. Guy Biz as we know but I would. I would take a trip to Miami wit Toma where you're just on fire today. Well it's like it's just a lot of Shit Eh. You know it's it's I was so I'll give Jeff America a lot of credit. I was so mad when I watched the five minute. Highlight the next day of the game. That they didn't in have the whole melee. An and I was like how do they not. We're shooting Shit holiday. Not like those awesome and he said you gotTA remind yourself with. This is a league. That's being sued. It's being sued right. So why are they ever going to promote any sort of violent stuff on the ice. So you're not gonna see it promoted by the League. That's it's that's the time that we live in what's going on but fucking as that hockey man that was that was that would find it on Youtube. It's January when you get excited in January watching the NHL lately. That's what we're for a speaking of the flames. The team signed defenceman Rasmusen Anderson to a six year extension worth with twenty seven point. Three million dollars the twenty-three-year-old right shut. Defenseman was taking the second round back in the fifteen draft was scheduled to be an hour. Fay after this season is is a time we got. He plays all situations in the flames of obviously very high on them. And they're open. This is one of those deals that looks like a steel and a couple years. He gave up a couple of years of unrestricted. Free Agency. You can see for the security of. You've seen a lot of this guy out in the Pacific a lot. Yeah I mean you said he plays in all situations agree with that. I think he's a competent top. Four defenceman with with the way the League's going and how salaries are arising. Yeah I guess this is a fair contract. And if they're hoping that his talent surpass the dollar amount yeah I I mean he's been on a good trajectory since he entered the league. I think I played against someone. He was playing in Stockton with the heat so he spent some time in the American league. He's got a little chippiness to his game. Aim as well He's got a great mentor. Jeered Ano- in order to you know. End Up maybe filling that role in not to maybe the same physical demeanor but you know I mean journalists getting a little up there in ages anywhere does he thirty six now. I mean the way keeps in shape. I guess you might be might be in the League fucking just as long as as Chara but but No I I. I'm interested to see how this one plays out. I don't I haven't looked and watched him enough to I. I've read online. A lot of coury fans ends. Who are going back at people who are criticizing the move that you haven't watched this kid enough? We get to see him night in a night out. And he's like a robot he's very consistent he he He started up his game offensively. You can kill penalty. So that's the going rate for defensive. Plays in all situations nowadays right with fucking you only away played powerplant exactly what I didn't do shit and I got that much besides rip back door one-timer shelf but Anderson Dude. He's top four demand. That's what you're paying you you got them slot and he's going to be taught for demand for you. Pay Him what he what what those guys deserve and and earn and it makes sense. I haven't seen enough of them but but I have seen what you're saying is that he's like a game or like he has some aspects of Yom listen to him to where he's blocking a ton of shots hard to play against. He's like he's like he's he's a thick little fucking cigarette machine out there and I think the way can log minutes and how young is the signing makes sense to me like if he moves. Put it this way. If he doesn't continue to improve maybe in four years. You're like shit this. This wasn't worth it. But where they they've seen him go from his first year in the League to now now I think they consider that there's going to be even more improvement. And when he gets to where they really think he could finish off as it'll be worth this money if he isn't already I would say in order to be worth fat money he does need to continue to produce more offensively. I mean his numbers are okay for for for for defensive who gets power playtime but if you can get to data forty point range. I think that's a that's a fair number. Yeah he's not. He hasn't even been close to that either so also Saturday night. Ilya Kovalchuk scored. His first goal is a Canadian was a big one coming in. Ot versus Ottawa. About the haves is still eight points out of playoffs spot. It's going to be tough to leapfrog all those teams in front of Tom. Let me ask you. Is it possible that Kovalchuk could become trade bait for the Canadians. If they're out of it at some point maybe I don't know I mean the guy's skull discreet shot go look at the replay. Didn't take a stride from the red line was an overtime winner. So right you get all the space. Well you didn't he didn't need. It was just so funny. I was like Oh this strategy talking any pushes hits the red line NGOs cruises in like like. What are those Stealth bomber Mama Doll. Like like He. He was doing them. What are you when you ski on water skiing? You know when Mark Berge used to do that behind the Zamboni Biz kind of look like which is water. Ski It in Bar Down Hours happy for him so it was I. I was just I thought it was classic stride but I don't know Kenny Kenny. Move were teams like. Can you move well enough. Where a playoff team that plays with pace wants throw him in the lineup? I don't know maybe in the playoffs when spots are precious. You don't WanNa guy was it's fucking to milk it for half the game either but keep milk it. I don't think he'd milk it. I just don't think he hasn. Yeah okay. Big highlight Thursday night. Pekka Rene became the first I golden six years to score a goal in the twelfth. All time the presser up by two obviously so he had the liberty to take a shot at it and as a guy knows a thing or two about nail long distance shot. It was a pretty impressive. One by Rene their second in franchise history as well Chris Mason back fourteen years ago. These are always cool. Highlights I mean in the the best teammates get all fired up for him and fucking surrounded like the game of that. Well people are saying this might be the turning point to their season. They did have a big win last night. Against somebody who we're GONNA talk about one nominee peg. Who's WHO's a very solid team? Only I believe it's the only organization the NHL who has two goalies who have scored a goal. I believe that's the stat. No other no other team has had two guys do it out our. I'm actually. That's a good question. I'm not sure like I said it's the twelfth all time but that could be very well read it online so it has to be true detroi- of course absolutely. Yeah maybe things are going to turn around there Nashville and fucking based on the broadcast to. He walked up and down. Yeah I did. At first. God's first game was behind the bench first game adventures yesterday win against against Winnipeg. I had I don't know fifteen tweets immediately with a picture of his suit. He looked great. Really great yeah look look good areas suit. I first game behind the bench. Because he'd been the eye in the sky for a couple of games and I said Scuds he was chomping down on gum to how guilt tweeted. dummying that gum gum do you Scuds. What's even funnier is the fact that how Gill his defense partner when they won the cup in Pittsburgh and they were pals they used to go grab beers everywhere? He's GonNa be fucking chirping him on the broadcast probably now like every game just giving it to him. That's so awesome by the way two guys. That are good buddies. He's now on the radio color and the other guys defense coach. You know what that means. How gals I covered every game together road trip together? He's Scott's come up with some beers like now I gotta watch him. He's now you're coming off for beers all right fine you see that thing. Gill does online on twitter. The bag chuck like he'll go to his room opened the door. It just throws his bags in fucking hits the by right after he's gone or I'll kill and Bill Garin were. The last guy saw have six packs in their stall after games. I I think it was preseason. But they'd have a few beers waiting for him. That's fucking old school abso fucking lutely a little bit of news out West Patty Malo played in the seventeen hundred game and he scored in that game becoming the first player in NHL history dussault score colon is seventeen hundred game. I imagine that's a pretty short list But also some bad news out of San Jose has Logan Off a small fracture in his left. Ankle in Tuesday's game at Saint Louis. He's expected to miss about six weeks. They'll be looked at during that time But you gotta fill in. It might be a little too late too little too late for San Jose at this point a wit. It's tough if you if you think about how that year's gone for the sharks it's kind of shocking. I mean I thought they were going to be right there and I don't know I don't think they'll be able to get in. I mean you got to go on a crazy ron which team like that. That could capture healthy. Maybe but without him for six seven weeks whatever the. I don't know sorry if you just Saturday. I wasn't listening But that's SOx because he's not only your best players you captain opt in and a guy that if you want to try to make this miraculous run the slide into the playoffs. You're going to need and it's just a it's a weird time there we've talked about the contracts on D.. We've talked about some of the younger guys and what you're going to get out of them in terms of their career arc and how good they're going to be in step backs they might have taken this year and Kinda Meyer and and WHO's the other big Guy Hurdle I'm thinking of so sharks and other crazy time but certainly the the worst possible scenario is having your best player? Go down when you when you can't afford lose many more games. I see it as an off year. I still think they have a lot of good guys in that organization They need to address goaltending. It sucks that couture's down but I mean look at it this way. Maybe they really start tanking and they ended up getting a fucking high pick. That's able to come in and contribute entry level contract. I mean the way that organization is Asian. How I don't want to say lucky? Because they've made some incredible moves in order to keep themselves competitive for as long as they have but they'd be the type of organization that it would end up getting a lottery Deepak and maybe even get first overall if if they take shit this year and I don't think they'll be bad next year. They just have to address a few things so hey they've had. They've rained long enough in the Pacific. Division let some other fucking people step in and take it. Okay all right. Unfortunately they don't have the hardware that really counts business. They got one trip to the final. And that's it. You know we know teams can battle back but seven points back in you still get four teams you got to leapfrog. That's that's GONNA be tough to do one of the injury of note affiliate defensemen Shane Gaza's bid he's going to be out for three weeks after knee surgery And the All Star game festivities. We mentioned that they were going to include a a little bit more of the fiend Afar. What little bit more of the ladies players and what they're gonNA do this year? Emily Kaplan of ESPN broke the story. Late Sunday. She said that they're going to have three three scrimmage between the top American and Canadian women's players all the women selected. They're all part of the professional women's hockey Players Association which is a group of about two hundred and female players who they're boycotting mm professional hockey this season because as we've talked about before there were there were two competing leagues and neither one of them was having really any sixteenth sustained successful with they wanna do is combine. Annan have one fucking league for all these ladies. The plan Unfortunately it hasn't happened yet. But this is another way to showcase the ladies game. We saw Kendall Coyne Scofield lashed after school field absolutely teared up. The fastest skater competition last year. So it's open the door for this so we'll get to see some of the ladies. Show this stuff again business. Some the silence. I I love it. I mean it just so happens even talking about women's hockey lately. Listen for for for you. Feminists combat me. I imagine not many of them are listening to this episode. Owed I didn't claim to know much about the female game. But there's a reason why it hasn't it hasn't grown and been able to sustain sustain itself financially. We were just spitballing ideas. But I think this is an incredible idea. It's a great showcase and and you know not to take anything away from guys but that's kind of them just going there and fucking around down and having a good time I bet you these fucking women are going balls to the wall you know. Obviously they don't have balls. I'm sorry I used Allen. She the ball up metaphorical boss. But I hope we were able to gamble on this in in live gamble because I think this is going to be the most competitive point of the All Star game. They'll be getting after it. And last year when Kendall Coyne was shot out of a cannon buzzing around the arena. That's when I think everyone was. This is awesome. This is great. They could do this every year. And it makes sense to do even more after the success of the women playing being a part of the skills competition. Let's get them. I'm into little more game action type thing so you pretty cool. I mean you you gotta think there's a a bunch of women who are wondering I. Maybe they've already picked them but talk about wanting to make a team. I mean I imagine they'll probably bring six or seven each side if it's three on three maybe ten each side more probably at least ten but still be some some people some members of of the national teams like most recent team. That don't get invited. You like faulk. That's one you don't WanNa mess and I applaud the NHL on this right. They're going to get to showcase these ladies which I mean I'd imagine they're going to be the best show there because they as I mentioned they're going to be going the hardest because that's can be their time to shine in order to get some momentum to start this league up that they wanna get going so you know now that the platform there's going to be you know maybe you know what what how many People Watch All Star game a million people. No I'm not at the top of my head Biz. Well guess what there's GonNa be some of those people that watched their skill and and and are going to be pumped comped and follow that League whether whether it's ten percent of the residual it's GonNa be a positive. They'll definitely be more this year because you're gonNA have a lot of little girls watching watching. I'm sure because there are so many young girls playing hockey than there certainly were twenty years ago. One of the note on the All Star game as well the League also completed its last men in fan competition. Vote The four players. They did add with David of Saint. Louis TJ Oh she of Washington Mitch Monitor of Toronto in Grenell's twin Quin Hughes event. Couva those the last four guys voted in. What did you have someone that I don't know? If you'll put nearing no no I was. I didn't mean to do that. But all picks make sense to me Peron what a season and the OC one is very meaningful because with the game being in Saint Louis and him starting off there and what he did for the blues and how good he was. I think it makes. It wasn't just Washington fans voting for TJ. Oh she not last spot for the Metro team. I think all of Saint Louis Israel looking forward to seeing him back. Maybe we get him. Get Him in person there for the interview. That would be nice. I always I always completely forget. Sometimes he played Saint Louis Nasty today. Louis though she all right boys I think we should send over to Sean Avery Right now. I know a lot of fans out. There will wait with bated breath for this one so without further ado movie stash on every Sean every in the building and you got some nice per holy fuck. They're white I can't. I cannot do anything to you stain them. It's impossible all I'm doing so I've been smoking cigarettes and drinking red wine for the last fucking five days to try and just dim them a little bit. When came very weeks two weeks? It is the worst experience ever ever. I was GONNA say the hell I still have to go through a drill. Basically they shave your original teeth down to little tiny knobs. That's the first day then. They put these temporary ones on you. Then you come back the next day and you meet with the ceramic specialists the guy that designs your teeth. Then and if you're lucky you come back the third day they break off the fuck contemporaries with like a chisel an axe and the whole feeling of it is as Saas fucking awful. You're frozen for week. You'll never forget that feeling ever at least with a slapshot or a stick. It happens and it's done. This is like four hours in a chair. And they're pickaxe WCHS. She's leaning your fucking teeth off. And then they put God so I have a bridge right now but the mkx my bones eroding so I have to drill in and be able to to set up the peg for the one day I still have to well. That was going to get these beer bottle. Ones off to the side maybe redone as well shaved my canine. They're like Oh aw get to design your fucking teeth like whatever you wind kost perfect go in there. Let's let's go do. Is that a lot pot. Because you've been doing some accidentally. Yeah I I'm a fucking heavy smoker if anyone didn't notice but love rippin darts because because because my teeth got fucked up playing and there it was all bonded. So bonding stains. And you can't. And so. Yeah I'm on screen now now and you look like the fucking poor guy in the scene that you can always tell like guys and actors made a little bit of money. His next movie comes back. His teeth are just fucking Glenn Weiss Toilet Bowl Joe Joe Biden white so I ask. GimMe the Joe Biden White Ob. Are you allowed to talk about the movie. Just Christopher Nolan's director of big time as director in the game right now pretty much which I think. He's probably the biggest. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's a movie called. Tenant comes out in July Is that when you were in that town in New York. You're sending instagram videos of. You're talking yeah that was in the we. We shot that was a different at the beacon. A small independent that. I did a probably like a month before beacons and at ninety minutes up the west side highway beautiful fucking Tout Beacon New York. They used to sold me on it. They used to make hats there. They were it was a it was a town like World War Two hound. where the town where they made hats a What's a what's a hat? Maker called Habit Haberdashery haberdashery but the what's the man the guy that does it has happened. Look at this side of the room. He knows Pat Right. So yeah so So we fill L. News funny because John David Washington is one of the leads in the movie and like you know his dad's fucking Denzel Washington but he also was a professional factional athlete. He played football so it was very interesting just to kind of see like a guy. Obviously he didn't play pro for that long but he made the transition transition his dad is probably one of the best actors ever to walk the face of the fucking earth and this guy is the hardest working mother. Fucker I have ever pursuing does not fucking leave sat. He's still got the mentality. You can see it in his head like I haven't made it yet and I have to work extra hard because my dad's ads Denzel and I'm not living in this STU shadow name name. Yeah Yeah it was very. It was very interesting to watch. Watch him more work work because it's funny. When we played hockey coming back to hockey we hadn't got into the phase? Now that it's now in we're like you're playing. Some guys has are playing with guys that their dad played. Yeah right this whole transition. That's happening now like I don't oxen just all right so many fucking players old old. It's interesting how that that whole thing works but Criminal and is a beast. It's a director that you know what he does. He's a guy that takes a studio giving him six six hundred million dollars very seriously bats and like dozen fuck around and waste any time an all day long like ah Shinyuka fucking blackhawks over our head and and three four. Hundred Extras is a wild. It was it was one movie making one on one like every hour that I wasn't onset. I was walking around like taking it all in just like asking the camera guys. Because there's so many fucking terms terms that you don't know rips and all that shit that like that's a whole different language and vernacular. Yeah you have to at some point. I'm yeah until Oh you make it. But I'm so in minor into this game right like I do fucking internet videos. Shit right didn't do right but S. funny as that may sound. That's what I was going to like. You learned from doing right now and and every time I walk in a room and meet people especially in like film or any type of media I I asked a ton of questions. Let's say it's not even that type of environment. I always try to find the smartest people in the room. Total questions tell you gain your knowledge. That's what what what kids are people or fucking they don't understand like what the fuck do I care if I have to ask a question like I don't know any of this shit I was a fucking fucking Hodgman player for twenty years right questions. The one you don't ask exactly. I think they respect the fact that you're literally talk about the king. Get a castle totally. They're not bothered by some fucking one of the actors like asking him about his rig and and how. How much is an I? Max Camera camera cost like I was like I have no idea how much those things are. But there's a fucking there's guards watching the role of film is like seventy the thousands and a second the role of film when they're done and I max film they take the film out of the camera and they put them in these steel cases that they fucking lock shot and they take them to these trucks. Where there's there specially made and they split slide them into these slots like it is a crazy ya he? Yeah I mean accurate with. It's like seventy thousand dollars a second for Imax film. It could I mean it could be it. You have whatever shot you want. You have to know exactly exactly when the sun setting you have to be there days with four and and seeing how it hall I'll tell you what the hardest thing is we're just talking to To gomer about this because Ah if you haven't seen it Scott Gomez in young and the restless beautiful singing performance. It's a one night to live Dep I'll tell the hardest thing is like for fucking twenty years. I came home at two o'clock or I came home at one eight food and then I go up to my bedroom and I'd lay down like a little baby and I'd take a nap for two hours. Now you get on a fucking movie set. We were getting picked up four thirty in the morning. Not Coming home till seven thirty at night. Hey you working fifteen hour days. Don't get the fucking nap. It is the hardest thing I saw you guys in behind the scenes videos. It's like do. That's a long fucking doc. In Day people don't understand hockey amazing. You work four hours a day maybe an and you stay fit. Yeah that's checks checks that that that you don't think actors do that whole scene filming that movie. Christopher Nolan's by far and away the most powerful guy onset he snapping at people know he's he's What's interesting about him is like I think that he sets the tone? The moment the sun comes up like everyone is standing on set. The Sun hasn't set hasn't rose yet and like when the directors the guy I leading the charge on his feet all day and I counted. I saw him take four bathroom breaks and the whole twenty two days that we were shooting. I mean this guy's a fucking beast and you know I it rubs off. It's like when you have a captain. That's just a workhorse. You can't it's tough to kind kinda let it slide. So yeah just get said Scott Stevens captains working the hardest zero thing. Were you able to meet Michael. Can I see him on the year. No so they they they shot I see this. I definitely can't say a lot of right right. He wasn't He wasn't filming when I was filming but that would have been. Yeah yeah that can brand names named you to memorize lines. I don't know if we mentioned it last time. You're on the DO I. I can't fucking Oh man. I had never memorized I. I realized once I started this I was like when I hear a song on the radio that I've heard for twenty years. I know none of the fucking words so now all of all the sudden they hand you like last night. I had an audition today for Anna the Shonda rhimes new show about the Russian girl that came came to New York and Condo these people out of money all. Yeah Yeah Yeah finding an so I got I get the pages last night. Six o'clock at night. I gotta addition. Today it's four pages missile dude. I've been up for fucking twenty four hour to probably twenty six hours. I can't memorize shit. I have to read it four hundred times before it even starts to sink in a little bit that I gotTa say it out loud another two hundred times in the mirror in the mirror non the mayor but the whoever's around like I literally like my wife or I I've asked the dog Walker to read lines with me before like anyone that I can find a human that's GonNa fucking heartbeat might trainer when I do my go to the gym for an hour workout. He's running lines with me the whole time. He's like telling me for that. The extra I should. But I haven't Amick warm-up eating lines gives I know you had that issue with the dog groomer the dog tip the a tip on me and then called me. Cheap hotter she she. She texted somebody thinking but she accidentally texted Sean. She writing a nasty message. What's Sean be cheap? First of all so she I get a text message and it's from the groomer and the groom or thinks she's texting her employ. Oy In it says Shawn's coming to pick up the dogs. Make sure you add twenty percent onto his Bill because he's cheap. That cheap fucked bevere test so she sends ends this to me so I write back like capital Aloe Al la ha ha ha ha ha. You fucked this one up and then me immediately. mmediately go to instagram and just on our load on her. That's all but you don't feel bad at all songs that you don't feel bad. I love when the moment you know. When the instagram goes private live it and the facebook and the yellow pages start coming down you know been effective like they go silent for forty eight hours and I did exist exist penalty on him when he's been driving he's like I did my job? I did my job. Are you worried about getting killed in one of these videos. Because I'm worried for you you'RE GONNA go one of these trucks and tell one of these drivers. Go Fuck Yourself. You told me earlier. His dream to walk out of his door and see somebody in the act of stealing wakes up. Yeah I've I've I've played. I've played it out in my head. Four fucking hundred times if I come out of my apartment and I see the guy. And he's cracking my lock. There's one scenario where I drop kick him and then I curb stomp him. There's another where I where I get. I have my bike bike. Lock in my hand and I last sue him with the lock and like suck in Steven Seagal right like I'm going well. This came up a lot a lot. Alan stolen bike stolen. Maybe we could reenact a scene and then we flavors like when you pick up the machine would be. You looked good. I already would be a great. You elect guy I would. I have been so I'll tell you like three days ago. A guy got out of his truck with a hammer and it was the first time he got a somebody's got out of their car. It was a heating and fucking cooling van and the guy we we got into it. I started it. She gets out of the car with a hammer. So I always have generally my backpack and I carry around a fucking giant. Can of bear spray. Gomer you know what bear spray is not mace. Ace hairsprays hairspray over over was gonNA last fucking dares Mason doing a thing to a bear. God knows hair sprays. You got a fighting chance. You got a fighting chance with bear spray. So I'm like fuck. Do I go for the bear spray or are I'm thinking to myself. You got to be pretty accurate to come at me with a hammer and you're gonna get me in a spot that's GonNa put me down like really really you gotta get me on the temple or the top of the head and I can fuck in Juke and move like if you're coming at me I'm going to take a step. I'm going to try to rocky in this. Yeah like hey hey he. He has his trainer. Reenact the scenes decide with them. Not just as lines Sean. Lasso astle thing again so I spray with bear spray again. Shawn's mother so so so to your point are the moment that the guy knows that. I'm not fucking afraid of the hammer because I'm thinking bro. You better done this this before. Because you've got one fucking dot at this you're GonNa get me fucking square or you're fucking in trouble because you have a hammer in your hand now. So I've got cost. Yeah like put it right by giving me a total green light myself. So that's in the situation that if the guy if they they escalated. Generally that doesn't happen. What happens is I roll up on a car and I start in on them and just depends on the weather the time of day like my my material? Sometimes it's good sometimes. I'm like it's not great. I mean I did that for a long time on my feet became. I gotTa Talk Shit. He's officer officer right right well so they they look at you and they're so fucking. There's there's such shock like they don't know what the Fox going on and you're yelling at them. They don't know if I'm yelling at them. Then they realized that there in the bike lane and then they're like this dude this mad about me park in the bike lane through ridiculous. Yeah so it's a fucking crazy thing but I'll tell you what people really like it because how many times a day do you see some asshole being an astle and you just want to throw your hands up like in fucking network. Say I don't give a fuck. I can't take it anymore. Yeah and go crazy and people on instagram. Love it because you can live vicariously through me calling out the assholes right let it slide. Are you a bit of a hypocrite. hypocritic excuse me in any sense of his or something that you do or you're like I know I'm being an asshole in the situation that you that is a great question. I am on a daily basis unlike so first of all I stop at all fucking red lights. I bike all over in the in New York City. I'm the only biker in New York City that stops at a red light. There's no that you couldn't find fucking person really. It's three in the morning. It's fucking six in the morning. I'm on a dead street. I'm stopping at that Red Light. I challenge somebody to find a fucking video or film bike. Run in a fucking red light. It does not exist. One million offer one million dollars. You know but I will just embarrass me. You'll ruin me if you fi- because you are I can't i. I'll tell you what you're saying. There's one caveat okay. There's one caveat meat for half of our FAN base option. One exception se wanting sector fenby words. Now Caveat I've usually on the subject can you respect our audience one exception there is one exception. Okay there's one exception I think he's you're you're making it up and you're headed. I don't know it's it's it's mildly. Now it's mildly. It's mildly embarrassing a little bit. New York is cold. Okay for fucking nine months of the year and if I have the wrong gloves on sometimes I just grabbed the wrong gloves if my fucking hands are so frozen that I can hardly hold my handle bars. I'm running a fucking rat and I got full exception in my mind so rarely if my yeah my hands are fucking freezing. You'd be you'd be more likely to see a lunar eclipse than that happening. Because you're all obviously pretty accurate with gloves. Your I know exactly I generally know like okay I. It's going to be outside for this amount of time. I need disk these gloves. Or you're like these are new leather gloves. They haven't been broken in yet. My you know when you wear leather leather gloves with you in a sense is i. Don't I don't think a lot of people pay attention to the weather. In order to be perfectly comfortable at the temperature. They are outside true now. You're a sick puppy right. I would imagine that you have a whole. Oh Algorithm in your head and maybe even a fucking spread checking the weather. I have seven pairs of gloves. That are fucking weather appropriate that have variations of like three to four four degrees Greece. All right well. That's why I I I did the. I'm using a more Pacific right now by the way that Skincare line from Korea. Oh Yeah I really went on his house tour he showed you you know no no. It's not but I've really adapted the the higher priority skin care. Is this a swipe up. This is fucking stroll up. I don't I don't think that they I love you. Call me for that by the way but but listen but if it's a mortgage payment now process I got the under the eye stuff. I got the you you remember. When the word Metro sexual was a thing? Yeah we used to hear it like who the fuck wants to look old now no like his getting old looking looking old is not fucking cool. I'll roll into Sephora into the fucking eye cream section and I'll buy fucking ice cream and I'll look weird and and the girls behind the desk asker like. Oh who's the gift who's the lucky lady like. No it's not a lucky lady. It's me I'm putting the shit all over my face tonight before I go to bed. I'M GONNA wake up fucking fresh. I people women's First thing women sees your face your and then they see your teeth and then they will now they see my teeth actually her teeth. I see my teeth fucking from a mile away and we kinda talked about the grooming thing in In the world warriors. There's a lot of different roads to go with with Sean John. Everybody you got the new podcast. I got the new podcast so explain kind of what's going to go into that I'm guessing it's not GonNa be hockey centric as it is so fucking stuck in weird man. Have you released it yet. No I think I've listened to the whole thing. I think it's Yeah Yeah you listen you sent it to me. I thought I think you have a soothing voice. I think you're an interesting this guy. Obviously you're a polarizing figure. Either you're going to be very successful and and I'm happy that Kevin Connolly added another good one to his bag because I I hope he does well with that accompany. Kevin Connolly started a media company Action Park Media. I think One of the one of his podcast guys Bob. Bob Met Memory Bob Memory Entry Henry is is that they don't like each other. I would say mentally kind of Dave own talk shit and L. Faulk hold on a a second hold on a second this fucking sex tape or he was hounding. Okay okay but I I saw all the guys in the office. The barstool office were like that was the greatest performance of. I've ever seen. Okay first of all our first of all. I hear first of all if that it was the greatest performance you've ever seen. He would took his right hand and there would have been a cross body asked slap. That did not happen. Or you playing twister. That did not happen happen. That was a fucking and then and then everyone's giving them props because he's standing catcher's position. Wait what you remember. Some of these guys are fucking doc in athletic and they've never John oxx trump in their life chicks man. They're not. Oh my God I think I actually know what you're saying but the following doing and seeing Dave from the beginning when he was a fat eating pizza came on but more people think of him as like a Yucky likes. How does what the flow Reich? Hey you gotta remember Sean. Like this is like he's started from the bottom okay but I'll say like hockey players. Get a lot of chicks six okay. I'm the sounds weird because but like you know we know how to we know how to we can take care of a lady a lady. I think we're I think we're going to the hips and the US you were bat. So they're all fucking high fiving because he's standing in a in a catcher stance. It was a waterbed water. And there's no loving. They're like not a reach around and underneath and like get some like yeah but it really hits it was strictly for like we're cameras flex a little bit. You think John Leslie Right now. Holy Fuck I was very disappointed in like barbaric. That's what I thought I just. There was no loving in it and I like some vulnerability or something else some sex that was not sex without fucking that was oil oil drilling oil drilling. Yeah we'll be blood holy shit on one of the best. I drink your milkshake shake great. fucking move what we're talking about right before the podcast. The podcast. Yeah so it's me talking to myself for an hour once once a week which is so hard. You'RE GONNA fuck food I like myself. I'm like dude I can fuck and talk to myself. I Paul I can do it too but I think I would always talk a little bit of a challenge. I want somebody Like pushing back on my thoughts right so that's interesting because I do that to myself. Sort of that's what I'm saying. Yes devil's advocate all time with myself right so Anyway so we're GONNA put it out. It's so fucking weird I think especially with me half the people are going to say you are. This is shit this is the shittiest is thing I've ever heard they're still gonNA listen to it and half the people are going to be like. This is fucking good. I like this. It's soothing it's like I can put it on the on the train home and and like I'm just getting shit off my chest. I'm talking about all the assholes The first episode IV a new york-based Talker de Blasio. Yeah New York in General Nice. Oh here's a reason. I fucking delivery guys in New York and Yeah yeah you hit a lot of fair points. IBM City hearing. And I. I I was in agreement with the majority of what you were saying. I would like to hear someone pushed back and you because I guilty i. I sent it to a buddy of mine who I trust. Yeah Yeah and he thought that he goes. I think he very soothing agree with me on a lot of great points but he he said the the poor the point you made about the guy who actually take the subway who is in Bloomberg work but but apparently he was he was getting dropped off in a limo at one stop fifty guys surrounding them. They got he got in a car. And then you got picked up at the next stop and it was more of a photo op so that that is not true. Okay well we'll here's here's the thing that's why when he said that was interesting. I know nothing about the subject but if in that in fact is true. That's why it's it's always nice to have an attorney pushing back where they could maybe stop you or might shift your phone. Your your your mind right and I'll tell you I've been searching for that person but fuck it's like a lot of people. Well you know and I feel like you do it by yourself. Yeah I think so. We're we'RE GONNA put it out and we'll see what happens. I think it'll you know guests will come on at some point. The beautiful thing as you said me know and I told you I'd love to see. Of course you come but I gotta get my feet under a little bit. I I figure out what the fuck is going on. I'll tell you my microphone at home is way better than this piece of shit really turn. You can't hear me now why I think of when you talk into this one is better but whereas like your doesn't pick up as much minds guy like yeah I can. I can move studio and Lucky you are a I have to turn this thing. What else should we talk about? We're talking about the. I'd love to talk about the coach. Oh Fuck you didn't just play uh-huh markraaff news about that. came out and said hold on. Hold on but you also played for Babcock in the NHL so you must have a couple of different story BABS Uh Dude Man. He called me into his office and One day was like did you stab my did you slash tires. We told us on the right. Yeah I was like th you know I had to think to myself for second fucking slash his tires last site site. No God no. I didn't slash your tires. So babs was a guy that played head games. But I'll tell you one thing when I think back now although so we have spoke about that before now when I think about it I was twenty years old. We're playing in. Cincinnati was Detroit. Farm team. We were talking out of control troll. We were insane. I led the American League in penalty minutes that year. I think I had three hundred seventy eight. I was twenty years old and the American League in two thousand and was fucking pretty tough league I was I was out of control. So how would you like get into the mindset of a twenty year old what you would probably fire with fire in my my head like so you're like he had a reason to ask you because he's like faulk. Maybe this guy did do it or or yeah or it was just his way of like getting into my head and getting me under control so that was a different time. Okay but the whole Crawford thing. I'm fucking mortified. I don't think anything has affected me like this in a long time. I had a conversation with Larry Brooks the night before Thanksgiving after all this Peter Stuff came out and brooks kind of halfheartedly asked me like you know as a coach ever kind of been rough with you know Roth for like well I just said it I was like Yeah Crow fucking. I remember getting kicked by Crow One time on the bench but but like I took a penalty and fucking deserved it so brooks. He writes the article and next thing. You know three days go by and I wake up and fuck and mark. Crawford's getting investigate because some fucking stupid thing that I said Larry Brooks and attacks and it's been haunting me will you didn't see it coming. I was kind of like a perfect storm. Yeah it was just like It was just a perfect on the story. There was NO UPSET ABOUT ZERO S. Ask Zero and and honestly he he. I'll tell you what this fucking statement. I am mortified because this statement that he made will be you in on the World Wide Web until we die and my name is in that fucking statement him. He's apologized to me. He has nothing to apologize to me about. Okay you're like I was not China. Look I'm not looking for that. No fucking way I was looking for it and whatever cro did to me I fucking deserved dead. And he didn't do it enough to me. Yes and you WANNA play the victim but that statement online were reacting as if you were trying trying to play the victim and and and and I know I had a lot a lot of people were like the other half the fifty percent that you always have to have so. There's always the fifty percents that were coming at me. Were like your fucking snake. You sell out you fucking rat when they stay. When I started get called a rat I was like whoa? WHOA WHOA? Let's let's put fucking brakes on this here for a second so then I came out and I did a an instagram video or I tweeted saying like whatever Mark Crawford Did to me. He didn't fucking do it enough. Let's just be clear so I fucking spoke to the Chicago Blackhawk attorney again a phone call. I get a text message. Judge one day out of the blue from this blackhawks attorney saying would be part of it. Dude I he's like. Hey Sean Send me sends as me a text first of all. I called Stan Bowman's on Monday morning. I spent three hours calling the Chicago. Blackhawks fucking practice rink drink or the United Center called every number that was available on online. So it's not that easy your fan. No that's not. It took me a thank you Jim on online at Pussy crusher six nine six nine male counterparts back. ADS will enjoy that. Okay so I finally get Stan Stan Bowman's and I leave a message saying my name's Sean Avery. Could you have stand. Bowman call me back. He might know me. I played Fuckin-. His Dad coached me fifteen years ago. I don't know you also apparently investigating. You're fucking assistant coach because of me give me a call. I don't hear Shit for three more days. I get a text message from the Chicago. Blackhawks Attorney Mike. Okay so I call this guy back we get on the phone he starts the conversation like Like a weird weird and uncomfortable way like I'd like to speak to you about Mark Crawford I was like okay. Like what the fuck do you WanNa talk about. Crawl like just lay it out on the table for all so he says You know You you said he kicked you and I'm like Holy Fuck Doc. Now I'm thinking to myself and my like in court here like where's my lawyer. I don't have a fucking way or on the phone like also like I don't want to bury exactly I'm like when I say the wrong thing so I said to him. Listen coaches have different styles behind the bench like sometimes a guy a break a stick on the ice in an and and you know the guy at the end of the bench. The last guy at the bench with a stick. He's responsible for handing the stick. Well well if you didn't see that the guy in the ice broke stick. Maybe the coach comes down and fucking kicks in the ASS and says Hannam your stick like there's a million different personal. Yeah no reasons why a coach would touch a player on the bench. They also touched them to tell them to go on the fucking ice so I said I was like you don't don't have a meter to see how hard a coach tap me to say. Go on the power play versus the way he fucking kicked me to say. You took a dump penalty so I was a fired up. Right off the Gecko then. He asked me if I had ever heard. Crowe say anything Homophobic or racial. I was was like Whoa. WHOA WHOA fuck in wall? Put the brakes on here right now. Like are we talking about the same coach because no mark Crawford never said anything racial or homophobic in a million fucking years. Never so. I'm thinking like like I go. Who where'd you get that from? Mike did Somebody tell you that. And did you think it stem for maybe the Patrico solve and stuff and and Patrick O'Sullivan still still apparently as he tweeted out. Having hasn't gotten a phone. Call an apology where where where I what do you mean is fucking names in a statement I as is mine. It'll never be able to scrub army out. But okay. I'm I'm just paying devil's advocate kick up. Dust is is I think that some people draw draw Drew the moral compass on that one which which would be fair if they did. Because it's a little bit personal graph someone for something they can control at such an early age right and would you do not expect. Maybe a phone call No I never expect a phone call and it's hard for me to to just not You know accept his opinion because he's been through it and I haven't. That's where I can say with packer. Chose Patrick Solvent. I'm going to just bow and say I'll let them to. I'll tell you I'll tell you I've learned a very interesting lesson in this whole process because I personally am mortified when I read that statement and now that's going to be something that I'm GonNa have to see for the rest of my life. The backstory EVA result plane. What a pussy right right like soap all said the same thing right like I like so soaps as a good guy? He's a good guy but that was his thing like don't fuck in lump me in and with all those guys now but without I lump soaps because he didn't complain when he first told us we were kind of laughing right. I remember kind of took took the narrative right hall. Did a love hate and it was it was right but he also traded forum and brought him to right. So it's like I don't know that whole situation. It's very fucking uncomfortable for me. Okay so do you think moving forward and I think it slowed down. Thank God because it was. Yeah I'm of under the opinion that unless you're we're using racial with the illu- stuff or homophobic stuff then like deal with economist. Frans into different thing. He was battling some like serious mental issues issues but a lot of this stuff is like wall will well. Here's the thing I think. All of us in the room can agree. You WanNa play for a coach that you would take a bullet for if coach. They weren't helping themselves no they weren't helping themselves and like the one thing crow never did he never came down to the bench. gave me a hug or gave everyone a hug. babs never hugged anybody. You know. There's a nice balance like mix fuck and hug every once in awhile year after Australia plan I play for Mike stutters. I bring his name up all the fucking time guy you would want to take a bullet for and even he would come on. After like emotional things things happen. Notional wins and you would see the big tough guy fucking you know get Syria right like it's fucking nice to see a little emotion. It's those types of guys that you wanNA play those the ones who are. Just they're to fucking rag on you absolutely and I think that coaches shouldn't feel uncomfortable now like men. I can't fucking coach. How am I gonNA coach? I can't do anything to the players. Like you'll get way more out of these guys if they WANNA fuck and go through a wall for you then if they get into a taxi at the after a game and his his mother fucking for three hours until they're you know drunk enough to not care. I would say the best coaches in the one who survived the longest are ones who are able to DAB to each individual personality in that locker room and read whatever guy needs right like like. I don't know like going back to the Jamie Benn an entire second stuff like maybe those guys need a kick in the ass once in a while right and and maybe they do need to be treated like kind of like throwing around and chirped and you know fuck you match here and there. You know other guys are a little softer like if you can't if you can't eh your job as a coach to get out of your player each individual one and I mean you played for one of the goats and Scotty Bowman I mean he he. He had the ability. I'd like to hug he didn't give you a hug but like I felt like there were times you get tapped on the ass by Ski Scotty and he says good job. Bob Like that's a hug that goes a mile man. I'll fuck in. That felt good. Like I'll never forget that whatever you want to do Scotty just talking bear in the body right here. It doesn't matter right exactly but you do that anywhere though. Him and Shani you know hemorrhage and Brendan Shanahan always had there's always tension between in the two of them and there were times that I remember. That Scotty did something that really got. Shani pissed off and maybe it was. He loved Gamaa. The power play for a couple for a period and like or at the third. He He didn't he shortens the bench shade as in play. Shanti comes back the next game name. And he's fucking angry. He's miserable to be around for two days until we play again. And that works and Scotty understood that there was a way to get the Shani without You know because what are you going to do. Some guys are just too rich to good-looking. Got To go out there eagle. She had like Shanti. So what are you really going to do. So those are the good coaches those are the guys that understand how to get the most out of the fucking twenty three guys in the room. What's the go ahead go? What's the biggest regret the NHL career if you have one biggest regret a minute you'll career signing in Dallas and fucking bread hall over probably? Yeah you've said you felt just hor at that. Yeah although it was a strictly money play total money. Play and Did you self sabotage you think. Oh fuck thirty self. Sabotage now is I Dunno Gomer. Were you you there when I came back. Yeah I mean I wasn't gone long. No Time Amy Games. Yeah like quick it was then back up with their neighbors. It was it was email I remember I got to Dallas. I was just like how the fuck do I get back to New York literally in my head. What were they offering you over? The ICE lattes was it was like you know nine eight or nine state tax. That's what you're worth you you know. And I don't know Glenn is like such a interesting dude. The way he he just puts his foot down. Sometimes and that was the situation. I got to Dallas. I was like I don't fucking fit in here. I find it shocking that you bought heads with so many guys. Just because they I I hate kiss asses I hate like I just fucking don't like kiss asses I don't have you ever next career now. been seeing like because there's no. There's no chance that those people as an yeah. It's not I wish I don't wish I kissed ass but I wish I had a little bit more of like totally I know. I know what you're saying line. I know what you're saying that the interesting thing about the You know being on a film set now is like you're you're kind of giving a pass to be in your own world and you don't you don't necessarily have to like there's a team environment for sure but you don't once you're done you're seeing you go back to your own trailer and you don't see anyone you like. You're not on the plane. You're not your own trailer. I got my number five live call. She is that good getting your own trailer. I had a fucking. I had a big trailer like bigger than yeah. You get your own fucking trailer. We live on the West Coast Wagon tour. That's that's not that's not good. Okay wait so but we're calling this similar to to get caught up in it you had you have a couple of games. This is a big break for you and they say yeah. It's going to be the biggest movie. I think that's awesome. I think it's going to be one of the biggest live action movies he's ever made. How much seconds will you have in this movie? Well that you have no zero. Oh no no. I know for for sure herb because of the way that things were shot that I was beside that you ask them questions now. I was just in too many shots that I wouldn't be in the move when when you're on Patriots is patriots dead about the Boston Marathon Bombing Peterberg you guys are friends or Patriots Day. The that was what I saw like. Oh that was avery. What Peter Burgess got the documentary old coming on twenty five million to swipe documentary? It's just coming out on Amazon. I think Yeah Yeah I didn't mean so. No Pete Pete Pete I knew from Celli because Celli played in Chicago and Pete was on a show called Chicago. Hope for a long time by David. Kelly yeah and died the Michelle Pfeiffer. Yeah they were buddies and Chicago and then when you go to. When I got to New York I ran into Pete? And we'd known on each other for for since I was in Detroit so We became close and and He was shooting Patriots Day and said come to Boston one. It was just like I don't know a year after stopped playing. He said COME TO BOSTON. I'm GonNa put you in this movie. So yeah I get there and like fuck and Mark Wahlberg. You're in Boston and like the street. Shut down and IT'S A. It's a story that happened in Boston's pretty. Yeah it's a pretty pretty powerful story for Boston. Johnson strong baby. So I'm on the train home after a shot I was like holy. Fuck man your onset. There's three hundred people standing around they say action and like if you're in a shot here in the shot it's pretty powerful like you get a feeling. There's nothin' similar to fighting a Madison Square Garden Center ice but like dots. That's pretty close so I came back and I was hooked. And that's what did it. Yeah that was Yeah so so. You got the audition today like is it so so you're on your grind and get shit you're on employed until you're fucking employed every single day. It's a little nicer when you got enough in the bank. Where like you know the garden breadsticks? Sean Yeah or you have a where am I. breadsticks stick's rubbing his deck on six shit. That you might want to keep you know he'd be going through his head and situation situation so I was GonNa kill you at the butcher knife in the kitchen. Just the bike lock. People think show every actors like a million makes a ton of money when that's not the reality at all it's like you hopping from fucking job. You're fucking unemployed until you're employed and then when you're employed you pay I mean athletes. Have it nice. Three percent of their agents actress pay twenty three percent to their agent and ten percent of their manager or sometimes twenty and twenty. Then you pay the fucking government fifty cock like you gotta work so Denzel. Zell making twenty sheets for movies paying that He's probably got it with his agent that he's paying twenty early on they're getting you. Oh Yeah for sure it in the grand end scheme of things though for what they endure and to his crafts of Denzel Washington. He hasn't necessarily made that much money. Like twenty tale. Here's where you make money. I'll tell you right now and I know no no dance. Twenty Tanai Brands Hash tagged as dense twenty. Every couple of months. I go to the mail and I see a little fucking envelope. And it says Sag tag on it and it's a residual check from Patriots. Day that I was in for one fucking day and it's a residual check for nine hundred dollars no way and until mark last residual get one from every good movie so if you put a a if you put a library of work together do these guys make fucking money I'm getting a night. I'm last year. I don't know it was probably four thousand dollars altogether from Patriots Day. It was one day a work so for the rest of my life. When that that movie on that movie's On you get paid from all of the town you should automatically? So yeah you got to you. That's the difference like if if you're a day player versus you know they get you on like a real say you're on a westjet flight. You're putting every fucking screen on patriots every empty uh-huh thinking she's watched some Ma'am could you imagine but I'm thinking of a movie on TV. All the time like National Lampoon's freemen's check from from Josh every year. What about what? What about Chevy Chase National Lampoon's Christmas vacation? How he so you're in the film industry? No Taylor mad now. He's always been an ASO. Ah Yeah he's always been. He came from money. He didn't like Jerry teases talented but he came from the blue blood family the SNL he was the war. That's just not a lot of people even when he was working like he's he's always been an asset that's why once he stopped like being really like that prime actor. He's kind of stopped really wants to do all can't work and then you wonder he doesn't like ours resentful because I mean let's be realistic. Hollywood now is like a new. He looks he's a fucking if if you're if you're like a six out of ten actor and you've got ten million followers and somebody would acts you all right. Yeah you're an eight of the ten actor and you have one million. They're going to pick the one with the following absolutely right absolutely now. So it's gotTa be a bit frustrating for people who have talent who you don't have the following. He has an aging Chevy. Yeah that's another thing I want to ask. Where's your impetus impish nature come from? We've always been like an irascible fell when you played even off the ice with it was out like how you grew up you just well. I was always the smallest guy my fucking class or on my team. And I. I have like major small or little very self-aware little. Yeah I'm sure because I always I always had to like fight for everything so I was always the guy that was like I gotTa Fuck in get in there and just like get shit going. Because I'm just that little fucking kid you know the how shouldn't have been here on the team. So yeah my mom's also like a she used to be like a bit of a firecracker occur like I remember going to sears and my mom returning something and like five of them. Yeah and she just wouldn't leave the store the little genetic to secure we're for hours because she's trying to return a fucking do cover that you bought a walmart and maybe that would have been she buys you do Ooh. Oh I think I've never done it. Coast Buddy fucking work and change the price tag on something every once in a while. Wow mother how much does guys making the coast. Fox have they got. You WanNa know the worst. This part of the coast now is teams own your rights. Now Shit what does that mean like as in every guy no I know but like certain guys coming in. It's like I don't know if there's a draft or the first team he signed for they like own your right so they can control what you're getting paid. It's like the the next off season. You're not going into an open slate. You're going into like you're back with them and they're only offering this amount of money so they own your rights. Walsh I think the ideal the worst case scenario in the coast is that you can only be called up by one H. I'll team because once then you're because if you can see every team can call you but usually that means you're getting more money. Guaranteed sometimes guys like the guarantee but I get what you're saying. Yes you WANNA YOU WANNA get to the next level and make more money. How much are they getting every two weeks or week or how how man when I was in the coast but yeah I was on a trip I was on? I was on a two way. Twenty million yeah right yeah. That was a tough year. Wait we want we never ask about the Alaska Aces Eh Gomez got seven more episodes. That'll be like the fucking Harry Potter trilogy. Bucket Star Wars going to be doing the pay. Close the sequels roles. The it's pretty easy. Ride a bus when you're when you're checks are three hundred and six thousand every two weeks. Yeah it's it's tough. Wait for confirmation here this is this. Oh yeah he paid for the whole team at all. Yeah that's true. How Golden Sky of how? `Bout Gomez Mayan like a fucking Tuck in whatever a penthouse in NYC. He did a full ran on it. And it looks like a fucking lumberjack in Alaska skiing. It's actually a very very It's like a manly chic beautiful of March. There's not there's not much to spin on the floor no no no Gomer was one of the first guys to like. I think personally get like an interior designer. That like knew what the fuck they were doing. And what's what's Henderson. It's insane Mehta. Shell Gerson a wide. You Rent Gorgeous. He was gonNA spend so much more on the CONDO. He's now I'll use this designed the whole play by the way the yeah go. We're talking about today. Tell US balked. I hadn't seen Gomer for fuck years. Okay okay so ever cake home or it's going on. He goes he fucking asshole. You fucking you fucking. You got the book I was like. What the fuck can you talk about your book? What book are you talking about? I guess I went over to Gomer is apartment one day and the designer and Gomer they went to the bookstore and they got all these fancy like cool books these fashion books so I go over to the apartment went damn like Gomer. That fucking book is awesome. Can I borrow that book. And I guess site in borough it I go so I go over to displace I book. You bought the same book I got. He goes now this is it was like Gomer pride and give a shit because that guy buys everything everyone everything I oh I got his book. So what have dinner with golden and you try and be ready to try with an axe. Are you skates off forever. I've never put skates seminole. But I I'm going to get talked the Food No. I don't own a pair of skates I've never skated since the last Well you guys look pretty good in that you know what cameras go saying. I'm never going to get back and I'm not going to be playing. Tell you look fucking tall. I looked like he was close. Shoulder pads looked looked You just chopped it off you. You were off the MPH shots. I was asking those accurate. I think they dropped minding. They raised his shock. I was yeah. I wasn't a good. I found a way to make a living at the National Hockey League. And I'm so fucking grateful I how you shall be more grateful for his fucking new Amsterdam Vodka because boy oh boy talking us us. Yeah I it's hey it's a two way street now beneficiary. We Me In every little run in when we're in the American hockey league remember don't no remember three hundred. Seventy Wilkspur was when we were at the and then I had to fight back Alice. I bet no this is when he was with his his point went to Hartford between Dallas. And the right off I was I was well. I was fake pretending because you oh. Jesus ooh Devon Devon yet brandon. Fuck in Sug Din. Wow I wish him on anywhere survive. Holy Holy where is he. That guy was tough toughest. What the last League Brandon Saad? I would say the the the North American League in Quebec where they where they just the senior. The Senior League team was that you were playing for her. Obviously with the Wilkspur and they'd asked me about vote. Somebody and I and I said I said some comments. I was trying to stir the pot I was trying to make a name for myself and in warm up why you had already played the NHL now. No Oh Oh oh you're young up and comer that's funny red the red line. You're like why are you talking about. Why are you my my name's who are obviously got me going and then your whole Ba? You had a very vibrant words word. Yeah we had some fucking nut jobs see offer the Tulsa oilers so. I've sucks sucks. Hey sucks gave him like a he goes. You won't find him you pussy and I'm like fuck you. Fight Him suggs. You would fight him three seconds into the fight. Every piece of equipment on his upper body would be off his body. I've never seen that. He was not everything was off of his body as quick as it was like a second and everything was gone and he was a fucking nut. Job Sucks I loved you. You're you're talking it's like we're talking about you like your your debt or something home. A year. The year I played against Games. He's one goal. Two hundred and fifty two and I remember the war. Syracuse rink was the war memorial. We've been going quite a while here and I know we've got some other guests. Come when we got to ask you about Holy Fuck at seven o'clock and dinner your all your. She's right. Yeah you're GonNa read the lines doc. was going to ask you get in your car. Towed and Scotty Gomez is one of the guys Gomer Gomer. That came last last year by Mike. Grenell are also Gomer was on the ice when I did the borough Dir When I did the Brodeur screen the fuck? It was called off with both the avery liberal and he made a sick pass and buried it five hallway Scott still here but anyway who sucked into the onyx. So `haves I forgot. We went somewhere all day. And if you ever get a car Schon ever you realize that that he is Yeah he's road rage. Come to come to mind but it's everyone it's the guy not selling hot. Dogs is correct. Or whatever. So it's so go to dinner dinner and he brought it up again like we thought his car was valet. It wasn't just part in the wrong spot so I I think I got out of the car. I felt I was walking on water as we had a good game. Tonight Sir and there wasn't a valet to catch catch it and taken the guys piece of pizza fast forward. We walk out of the restaurant and Gomer with me on Mike. We're the fucks my car and then so so maybe in a good team and I'm like you know what go get your car with you. It's not so anyone that's ever gotten told towed figured out it gets towed so me and as go there and anyone's ever been to New York City Port Authority. You know you just they run your show. I mean there's nothing you can do so I'm sitting. Yeah I'm sitting down and I'm just thinking that this this is GonNa go up to the window and in his car and this fucking guy goes up. The ladies back is turned kind of heavy. Heavier set lady insured back is turned and aves pounds on the window like every times where the fuck is my car it was you guys do and right thinning there. I'm like Oh my God we're going to be here for a long time. It was bulletproof black. We have glass and I didn't think she was going to hear me and she wasn't the nicest Gal al in the world and she had a twinkle in IBM like Oh. Don't worry your cars coming right away. He was there I finally had but speaking as we drove all the time in in where we lived we'd go to games and aves would Right away in the morning. Talk about himself talk about what he did last night. This and that. And finally he turns out he was the runt store he descends. So I turned to me one time and says what's your fucking problem Gomer like God can't say morning I good morning. I'm like no I just have to wait till you're done talking about yourself morning game even game and Long Island and it's too bad that things can get recorded back then and so we're leaving game because we live by aves is just the next car and he's just mother fuck all you you think that he's on the phone and just printing you think that fuck okay you try doing this Yeah and he's just he's just Yonne someone interests like holy Sh- wilde whose tying after about five minutes of it as it was like I just put that on the phone just put down the Ciller gone and the driver Looks Amino renew my what the to your point. I think my mom was like giving me shit that I played like shit that night. And we're probably yeah added on the body of work here mother. She can go back to total six games. I drew to minors. Are you kidding me. Money talk at take time you play against saves you know. It's like another guy. I was Steve Hot. OUGHTA great. You hear you hear that you're going against you're going to go against the prick on the ice and and we all say no one's going to. It's not in any way I'm taking to face off. And here he is the Sean that came over from Hollywood and he's just served me saying he's got that stupid. Look like you said about the fight you and everything like this is Glen. He's like you're Chirpin and Chirpin and I just turned learned. He was and I'm like hey man I smoked pot. Chill out this is like okay okay. That was ah like everyone's like those pretty but yeah like hey. We're so wound up if I would have been like dude. I think you're funny. You're a good guy. And you're like Oh. I came on the bench I was thinking to myself Gomez is a pretty good guy there all right. That's all it took for Mardi. That's very went all right. Let's talk about this Gohmert. Sit down. You're on the ice when this all happened what were you were so it's not even that I mean first round we we go against the devils. Have all the team's gotta go there anyway. So this is the thing I think we're in. Let's say or people have the misconception of age because we all know him as a human being an actor but he was a hell of a hockey player and not used to bug me. 'cause I we you know I used to every day have psychiatry session with Vice pissed about this and then I'm like you could help so much like you. Could you know you're the Kinda guy a aves course be like. Yeah you're right you're right and then you know someone would say summary Look at a fan different than he was back so that just never yes but not much of a sponge. So we're on the power play. It's a five on three big. Anthony Reggae two or three game tour of the garden and and Get a five on three and people were like shocked at Chinese in the diamond on the five and three but we know it's this guy you know. He's a good hockey player like He. You know I'll never forget. The puck comes in the corner. I'm grabbing it and I turned around and you start hearing fans do some go back to the point I turn around and this cocker's looking at Mardi and he's waving and it's like and we all know people have no clue what's going on if this is even legal now thinking the guys on the ice. The we all grew up playing hockey. We're all like this is play offs and it's literally like what the fuck is lake so the puck comes back and and for anything. It's Kinda working working but if you watch the video you Kinda see me Drew Christina. They didn't know what down on like A. I don't know if you can do that. Like chill turn around and the best part is is that people. Don't watch the video longer is yeah puts one right in. Go over the past that you bring any rules dead. I wasn't breaking any. I was not breaking any rules. I was on the ice with was on four the shift or we're just happened Brodeur. It had been going at it all season long and every time I went to the front of the net. He's fucking Wiley. Vati tapped me in the back of the legs and falling into them. And I'd get a penalty so you're on the power play with Gomez Yager jury Shanahan okay. I'm doing everything in my power not to fucking take a penalty because I want those cookies. I'm staying on on the ice for this power play so I'm fucking five on three and I'm so nervous before I remember go skating on the ice on Mike you dumb motherfucker. Do not take a penalty. I'm telling myself and then look what he does. Don't take a fucking panel treats rules so I just turned. I was like fucking Sean. Don't take a penalty turnaround turnaround. I turned around and I just hit me and I put my fucking hands up and I could hear Gomer on one side of the Andrew on the other like they're gonNA give you a panel rap. I HAVE NO I. It was one of those things do. Allieu Rep was as we were like. Hey Hey travel a travel ban dates what am I doing. There's nothing wrong with this and these kind of it was like literally was. I was pissed about not impairment as but like hey you know the puck semi stick. I still need another guy for. He's he's fucking he's in the right and the prime spot and I'm like put your stick on the ice as I can't be yeah that'd be put right in there was buried it and that S. MSG New rules tomorrow. The next day is the worst part is is. I gotTA drive with Dave's we're GONNA and he's like and he's got the stupid laugh like every talkie players got their own eleven and you see that they made a rule and so I'm like the next day aims got fucking in a t-shirt selling outside the garden the every rule and I was just like Jesus fucking like it was when we were driving. He's like see that. And I'm like fuck as we I had my own merch store before Barstool had merch. I gotta ask Gohmert summer Does it upset you that you know that one guy you get along with another guy you get along with and Martin Brodeur. Don't get along. Do you WANNA bridge. It's it's literally it doesn't name. It aims answer. Honestly it's like there's certain in in we've all had it. I might love a coach. Take a bullet for coach. This and that and one of my best friends I would piss on his fucking grave if he could. It's just it is what it is. It's a business. It's later on in life to the whole point is later on in life. We all get together. If you're still still that prick prick that's our about some. That happened twenty years ago. Or you're still your life is not. I don't mean to seven but your life hasn't probably been good because because this was a fraternity it was some special in like I said earlier with the devils. That's why as people this is the first question. Got How you never judge what you do. Yeah I mean we're on the ice which will never like me and Gomer played in. MSG Madison Square Garden before they did the renovation. We had some fucking great great great games in that building. That's a memory you're going to have for the rest of your life that's the most famous arena in the history of arenas ever on the division the cost. Yeah it could be. I mean I think the reduce also it's it's not the same thing too is. We're all taught US hockey players. Here's since we're D- don't say anything. These guys are always right San. Maybe I got prompt that later on. Because if you're gonNa tell me to do something if you tell me when the Stanley the Cup I gotTa go through that window I expect you tell me how to go through the window. And that's but that's the question like just do. How do you guys like as in you know certain they were ahead of the game about you know this is a business? You're your own series. Were done I mean. We're talking about these guys place for a little bit. You know they can talk. Everyone talk about passionate. This is how many guys we played with the they signed their families. Go get a nice house blah blah. You're going to be here gone. You're gone and it's just okay. But we're not supposed to give our opinion for aids some of the antics like the t shirt thing. It was the fuck you doing dude. It's money in your pocket. Yeah that's listen. It was smart so there was a lot of things I think people because I you know I was from the old school more you know. How'd you get along with Sean cared about? I just cared about what he did on the Ice John. We have fucking students seventy wife's going to kill you. I'm hungry I'm tired. You dogs are thank you very much. Thank you for Communists Mess Times or go. Hey I think this interview might like make people like you now. I just get a big tax once again. Buddy shot every for joining dining. I say that was his second or third. Time joined the show. Between this house visits show visits is it's quite a few in also for Scott Gomez jumping in for a little bit to those together. It was pretty fun Biz Piano Brands. We've been doing a lot of traveling. Help Joey traveling. 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Vote for what he said Again if you could check his feet if you wanted to hear the thing in full We at arranges defense make some history. Tony de Ngelo this. This actually jumped out. He was the first ranges. Defenseman to record a Hattrick since nineteen eighty two back when I radio route Selena did it. I was particularly surprised with that Brian. Leetch never had a hat trick. I want to live out that I was surprised at that as well. Don't sleep on the fact that this savage had two assists in the game as well five point night your point night for a guy who is going to make millions thousands of dollars this summer. And and you know you've you've Kinda heard. I've heard rumblings before the skies free thinker. I'll say I think there's times when Tony the Angelo's guy who speaks his mind right. We're going to say that that's kind of what I've heard. But dude his play. This year has been fabulous. I mean he's he's looking. He's looking at a big extension I think he's RFA. He has to be signed a one year does making less than a million boxers. Bright's I don't know I don't I know he's are probably know that type of stuff should give no. He's he's he's I ref the season. What okay so? We don't Offi Offi as our rights. Either way he's going to get if the rangers are smart. They're going to offer this guy six years maybe maybe could get him at maybe could get him six years ears at twenty eight million. Maybe who knows I mean. I don't know he's had. It's going to be one huge year but the way he's looked at times as you want sky around for forever. If you're a rangers fan. He could skate. He can move. The puck plays with an edge teammates. Love we talked to Kevin Hayes. I remember asking him what was he like. He's like I love that guy so I just think it's cool to see a player. Who had some question marks go in and have a career year at the perfect time when he is a free free agent understandably so our face changes everything but that game was was the highlight of his young career so far but what's shocking? The Rangers defence percents. Who didn't have a Hattrick I thought strudwick American League might have had one and somebody? You mentioned the Jewish sixty also tied the franchise record with five points in a game by a defenseman fence man so So kudos to the Angelo. Also got a little news out of the Midwest as well a Robin Leinna says that he's open to re up with the Blackhawks to somebody won't take less money to sign fine He says we'll see what happens. But I've been taking discounts my whole life. I'm not a guy wants to be overpaid. Either WanNa gain some respect that I think I deserve. Sounds like trader calling clone. We'll see if that happens or not. We'll see what happens. All I know is I really like it here. And we'll see I've learned enough. This is a business in no matter. How how good things are going? How are you like it sometimes? Sometimes it's not up to you. Know control what any reaction to this year. My reaction is. I've never understood why an athlete you were publicly. Say I'm not taking a discount. What I what is the point of that when you're doing the negotiations? I mean. You could tell him that when behind closed doors just when negotiates get get public the only time I think it makes any sort of sensitivity if a player in his agency take this team's completely fucking like we are being totally reasonable. I mean in a situation like Leonard. Nothing even has been brought up in terms of like. You're in an exact extension that we know of and just publicly to say. I'm not taking a breaker. I'm not taking a discount. It's like I make no sense to me. It really doesn't quote Chu said. I'd like to be a part of this turnaround which is kind of interesting because it kind of subtlety acknowledges that the hawks trying to turn things around even though the you know the front office office might not come out and say that. But it wasn't interesting quote. I thought We got some best wishes. We WanNa send along as well a hockey hall of Famer and Berry Cope Colts head coach. Deal our our check underwent a successful gastronomy per tweet from his son. Eric that's a surgical removal of pot. All of your stomach. It was announced back in October. That Dell how a check was diagnosed ignored with stomach cancer show. We continue to which deal the best. I hope he's feeling well and he's on the road to recovery. It's up wit del. Howard Chuck I say it? Every time but He comes into my mind. Not Because of what you just mentioned but also Connor mcdavid who turns twenty three today. He is taught five points in. NHL History Torri is V Before the age of twenty three Lemieux Gretzky Crosby mcdavid and as it goes along with bill. Howard Chuck a lot? People don't realize is how good he was. He's the guy he used third in points before being twenty three so The most underrated great player of all time deal Howard truck. We're thinking of a absolutely also another note to Toronto. Molly's assistant coach Rob Davison. He had a grand mal seizure right before Friday's game versus is the Texas Stars and now giving time and in state of the players and staff after witnessing the event the molly's decided to forfeit the game. That's a pretty traumatizing thing to see. Anybody have a seizure but especially someone who closed doing to. Have it happen right in front of you. That's you know it's tough to expect is to just go and turn it on and play a professional game after that But Fortunately Davidson he was kept dove. Ninety was stabilized released from the hospital was able to fly back to Toronto for further evaluation. He'll be away from the team indefinitely for medical leave but it's good to hear he was able would've at least fly back to Toronto and sending well wishes his way as well Biz style at all. And he did he ever cross pats them no no I. Don't I remember planning. That's a tough bastard. Stayed Home Demon competitor. I don't know in personally though. Not right another set. Of course. What's the name again? Rob Davison Not David's Davidson. That's okay yeah all right Had some other sad news out of Canada as well. Canadian rock DOC. Legend and Drummer and lyricist the ban rush Neil pert. He passed away at the age of sixty seven from brain cancer I wasn't a huge rush fan growing up But if you didn't know nil pert was then probably weren't rock and roll fan. He's one of the truly great drummers in the annals of rock history if you've never seen a picture of his drum kit we can have aggie tweeted out later. It's incredible. He's got like it. Looks like forty fucking drums cymbals all the shit that he has to play He was a pretty brilliant. Well read guy as well and in his final. His of touring story. I thought this is interesting. He didn't actually take the bus. He would drive as motorcycle from Gig to gig which is pretty interesting. But again he's Canadian rock and roll royalty Potter on a rush nail. Pert again passed away at sixty seven our condolences to obey his family friends in all of Canada. Because I know how proud Canada is of the Rock Band Rush Biz. I know you're a little younger boat. You Arash Guy at all. I mean I liked their tunes. I don't put them on a lot when they come on the radio. Keep them on though but It's such a shame. Yeah was was was was he planned up until up until you pass was eat was he. No I don't think Russia's toyed for a couple of years he's had the brain cancer for for a little while to show. I don't think he was in any shape detoro as well but he certainly left one hell of a legacy and I. It was one hell of a drama for sure but switching over to a little more fun on news you guys been following the NFL playoffs wet. I know you will watching all weekend. What was your favorite camp all weekend? The only game I won because I got dummy gambling bill bill. O'Brien the worst off the league for the Houston Texans Yards fucking up that game against a wagon Kansas City chiefs in. Fuck look it up dude. How did he fuck they? Got To twenty one or twenty four not thought enough thorough twenty four on one of the best teams in the NFL on the road road after beating the after the bills and they go and I have met pause ten and a half so I'm up thirty four and a half points right now. I'm laughing. Do they have the ball. It's fourth and like a centimeter he decides to. Did you see any kicked a field goal now and that's what made them go up. Twenty four nothing right so even whatever. I didn't necessarily agree with the decision that was that was when they kicked up. Twenty four right right I know he I yes yes I'm sorry it was either way either way Biz. They want to give up one touchdown. Twenty four seven whatever buddy. He's on his own thirty yard. Line coach fake punt. Obviously shut down by this savage on Kansas City Stevenson. Evenson or something. I don't know this guy was all over the field. White Bald Guy. Crushing people making plays for the chiefs. So obviously they lose the ball. Oh Kansas City goes in you know what they did they outscored them. Fifty one to seven. The rest of the game bloom out. I didn't even cover let alone like even even sniff covering it was just a complete joke of a of a game. That by no means was locked down a win for Houston but coaching decisions. Like faking speaking of punting when all is already with Kansas City. And you're on your own side of the fifty dude. You're up by seventeen points. I just dumb dumb. Tom and everyone's like oh if he'd gotten people to say great play. Well actually like. If you've got it I would have said Oh. That was nice but those stupid. Why did he do that? It was a fun week every football but I I got crushed. I had the over in. What was Tennessee Tennessee who they beat? Uh Balkan beat all of them are schemes between fourteen and seventeen the over in Sanford and Green Bay and San Fran who many didn't didn't hit then at Baltimore Baltimore which I didn't even like I knew funny Brad feeling about that so lost that and then I lost Houston and then I had the over in Green Bay packers one on so I don't give a shit good job. Pack Aaron Rodgers. You're the man I watched the game. I bet why because we had a game with the coyotes so I didn't get to see much of that. The coyotes played Pittsburgh Penguins who have been battling injury. Said was supposed to make his return but then didn't well. There was rumor he was going to make his return. Turn Brennan town of very very very impressed with this guy. He was all over the ice last night that third line the penguins were very dominant bluer. Aston Reese and then ten of scored is fucking tenth of the year yesterday at the time that game late in the third period and then they go on winning like the eighth or ninth round shootout but I tell you what when he signed that deal. I hadn't watched him enough. I was like Oh my God like co like. Why is he getting this much money? While Jim Rutherford fucking knew something that no one else didn't because he had a he had a fairly limited role in Winnipeg and he gets the six year. Twenty one million dollar deal this summer for a guy who was like a a bottom six I would say probably a labeled. There's a fourth liner right. and He's played considering what their injuries. He's probably gotten more opportunity but I tell you what he shined. He was gray on the penalty. Only kill an and just a very good player who who I think. A lot of people are starting to respect a lot more after after now. He's on the main stage. So hopefully you didn't get crow too bad and you saved a few bucks for vittles because dude ash has a sweet off of for everybody out there. Listen door desk connects you t a favorite restaurant straws in your city ordering is easy you open the door dash APP. Choose what you want to eat. The food will be delivered to you wherever you are not only. Is your favorite pizza joint already on endorse dash but there are over three hundred forty thousand restaurants and thirty three hundred cities you might find a new favorite to and what the door to door delivery. 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Another two assists against the coyotes. He was a fucking bully out there and in Malcolm's career a one hundred ninety eight points in one hundred forty six games without said he has a point to better Points per game without sitting the lineup. So and he's I think he's at one point three six or seven points per game without said so for that narrative heritage that that some of you wack shows had that this guy you know he can drive his own. Bus is what I'm saying a Bagel not the short one big old gray good laws. Not The bus. You took this boys now Santana send it over to the gambling WANNA. I'm going to stretch my. I'm hearing about myself on the back because I did. Pop that fucking twenty nine one shot. I start text. You guys Saturday night. Tennessee would win by between fourteen and seventeen so I walked out for a couple. G's and all that that was paid for my Putt line losses losses for the rest of the weekend. Thankfully the bill me out but I said it before I cannot tweet out all my picks guys. It's like Saturday had twenty different pieces of action. I can't tweet out that many fucking pick so I know tweeden winners after the fact that it's like Oh fuck by storing your Papa Twenty nine to one shot six grand. Do you gotTa Fuck in tweet. That shit out. They probably loved it. Considering they'd picked all your hockey picks in the fucking in the whole no actually not had a nice little ward good decent week on the corner picks you know the stuff I posted last week. Yeah I I three and won but either way. Let's look ahead to this week an Tuesday night. That's what my two picks coming from for this segment. A couple of road guys Vegas in Buffalo If if big if Marc Andre Fleury gets the start we're going to be on vagus We're GONNA be taken them on the money line for Oughta we'll call it a dime dime on the money line they're gonNA be. That's GONNA be seventeen hundred. I bet at least two to win a G. Minus one seventy Y- AH IN BUFFALO. Well again this is only Marc. Andre Fleury starts but he the way I'm GonNa throw it on the money line for Vegas a nickel on the puck mine as well all righty. I think I think Yeah I think they're looking to hit the road they've been they've been hitting a little bit of a stumble lately and also the same night another team that we just discussed that I think has turned it around the Nashville Ksfo predators they are in Edmonton. So we're going to jump on Nashville. It's we'll go Nashville logo money line for a nickel and we'll partner for two fifty to make whatever that is so again vegas in Buffalo Tuesday night Won't take vagus dime on the money line nickel on the pipeline and Nashville Their Edmonton five hundred on the money. Line to fifty on the puck line and that will conclude the gambling corner for this episode. Boys the Oscar. Nominations just came out as we were recording I don't know if you've got a chance to catch them yet. But Robert Deniro did not get nominated for best actor Joe Pesci End Al Pacino. Both supporting actor nominations for their work in the Irishman. And I'm sure the odds will be posted. I'll have some wages on this at some point being degenerate that I am. I don't think Robert Deniro deserve the best actor nomination for that that movie. I didn't think the movie was that great but I think Leo's going to get best actor for the once upon a time in Hollywood he did get nominated. Yeah no from uncut gems either are a while. That's I I mean I. It's a stunning. He was very good in it. But I think there's probably some sort of snobby segments of the voters that thank you still like. Adam Sandler makes all those goofy shitty net flicks movies. And they probably didn't want to give him the respect. He deserved for best actor and Best Actress. Okay for actor Antonio Banderas on this movie pain and glory. I haven't seen it yet. Not Familiar with Leeann out of the Capitol. Once upon a time Adam driver in marriage story or he was excellent than that Joaquin Phoenix in Georgia. All he's probably GONNA win. He was excellent than that. And also Jonathan Pryce In the two popes. I haven't seen you can't say it's on my list of movies to see for actress Cynthia a revolt She was in Harriet. The movie about have you ever heard of Harriet. Tubman have been. I haven't seen the movie Scholar Johann she was nominated her. Yeah we'll bet. She was not nominated for marriage story. let's see a Share she ronin. She was nominated for little woman. I think that's her fourth nomination. I think she might have set a record for most nominations by a certain age by a woman Shalit's the Iran. She was nominated for bombshell and renee. Zellweger was nominated for Judy. Which is the Judy Gallon movie? She's the chock right now from what I understand. Renee Zellweger really really. She's on top. I don't watch enough of these Oscars actually no because she hadn't really done much work of of of really anything for a while and she kind of come out of nowhere in played. This judy garland and crushed it. According to everybody who's seen the movie got social reviews but they said she's so good that she's probably going to win the Oscar and as far as motion picture. We've got a few of them here. Ford versus Ferrari which the width dog said was an ex law day. Where love that movie? Haven't seen yet myself the Irishman which would just discussed a second ago Joe Rabbit. I haven't seen that one yet. Harden Joe Joe Rabbit. It's about the little kidding. It like Hitler's like saying like like what is it is okay. I joke which we just talked about. I don't think it was That great of a movie. I don't think I don't think it'll win. Little women was nominated. It is well marriage story once upon a time in Hollywood Nineteen seventeen which is the world while one movie. I'm going to go see that later. Would Paulie Walnuts and the last movie movie. That was nominated which I hope. This wins was parasite which is a foreign language film. which is they? Don't get nominated for best picture all too often and for my money. That was the best last movie. I saw it in twenty one thousand nine parasite quickly. 'CAUSE I gotta go soon the reminder of the Foley the Prank we used to Paul so when I was in Pittsburgh for some reason I two cars like what is the power play demand with the big contract at the escalator. And the Mercedes Biz. So I'd have have like my buddies. Come out and drive them home with me. So in this escalate I had. I had a phone number tax rate but it was like a random six one seven number so we spent spent nine hours driving back from Pittsburgh to Boston. I'm not kidding. You drank one hundred and in at least one hundred people if not more they got all of them all of them so I'll call up and it was perfect because it was not only. Was it a random six one seven number. It was also like because the speaker phone. When you used to call the escalate it would like the speakers up you know where the what's the thing? That blocker sunglasses. Yeah what's the thing that blocks the sun though I net on Walker Walker. Now do they call the sun blocker because I always get made fun of what's it called. Ra It drops down on. When you're driving CRA Nelly I know the? How is it escaping me right now? This is so I know podcast. Nobody knows the name of the thing boxes on while you're driving Walker Awesome blog. It doesn't even matter to the story. It's everybody knows exactly what the fuck. You're talking to some Walker dot dashboard either. So the speaker because it's a couple inches feet away like it. Muffles voice a little bit so even people who knew my I call up and Iza Biza whereas on have a golf course oh I was just GonNa say nerds whereas irs golfing so so I'll call up and right away say same as it was a buddy tim. Hey is this tim yeah this is. Hey this is billy mayfair called. I'm with kiss one away. which is a local station in Boston for everyone wondering it's actually one zero seven point nine and ten years old and being shocked it was called kissed one away when it was actually one zero seven point nine talk about rounding up? So this is billy. They may have Billy Mayfair Golfer. He's like five nine a buck thirty. And he's like champion store off. This is billy. Mayfair kissed one away. And I want to congratulate the you've won four tickets tickets to the Red Sox Yankees Game Labor Day. Weekend at Fenway Park Ten rose from the third base side. Congratulations every time. The Person Tim Tim what what. I didn't even apply for a contest like that. Where do you mean like yeah? Well listen we had a bunch of big old fish balls filled in in welcome malls Cambridge Galleria the social clause and you could drop phone number eight possibly get a win so somebody must have put your number and congratulations. Holy Holy Shit. This is unbelievable every person so dumb. Oh this is awesome. We just need one thing from you. One thing because you know we're giving away these tickets we're GONNA play. We're GONNA play your voice on the station so I'm GonNa need you tempt. Just GIMME A. You're listening to kiss more. No eight the best music and Boston and every single time. Tam or Lindsey. Whoever we recall and we had half girls they were easier to get than guys they? You're listening to kiss. One await the Best Music Boston. Now mind mind you. If this person had screamed the first attempt that we were going to play on the station I was like listen. That was good but you know let's give it our own. You know we just one four tickets to give your best and the next time all hundred. You're listening to music at Boston off. Boy Eli would be laughing so fucking hard so hard plaguing brady eighty might t shirts. I make thank you so much. That was perfect. Now listen stay on the line. I'm going to bring my assistant. And they're gonNA get your Info your address they're gonNa send you. The tickets have blasts at SOx Yankees and go sox and they'd be like awesome and we just hang up. We like to pass nine hours hearing eighteen hundred. You're listening to the kiss hallway. Best Music at Boston got. We pranked a guy that we ran into with this party. And the guys like you guys prank me and I said Holy Shit forgot all about that. How how how long people caught on that? It was you guys or do you help people nine. When they hung hang on the line to give their info we'd hang up right but but so he said member when you guys pregnancy? How did he eventually find out that? You Guys Paul. Oh there was a couple of people like our bodies we called and like dude we never are. We told but like we were picking out random like girls or whatever from our phone and never even they third. They're hearing right now for the first time. If those tickets never came qualifies Dako such a good way to end the episode man Yeah back in the pre caller. Id Days you can get away with fucking murder on. The fall was a random number so it didn't matter so Wednesday night. We're GONNA have the rink shrink with us. He said he's got a bunch of stuff to talk about. So that'll be Thursday's episode right and we don't know who we're dropping yet for an interview but we look forward to doing. Can we tell them. Oh we doing what we're doing. We're GONNA do Loophole O'Brien together when they are in studio with Mikhail. Okay Andy mcglaughlin involves three guys there. And and also Scottie upshall. We're going to be interviewing him on Tuesday. which will be tomorrow about his spangler what he's been doing over in Europe and so basically got the trio so liberty fun episode? We can't wait. What's that live bringing up beyond? That means they better if I can fucking shirt and look nice little. Make you iron shirt all right guys. We always have a great one. Thank you sorry about the delay but we I appreciate you. Listen and love your bad as always say thanks to our awesome sponsors and hopefully you listen to taking advantage of the dynamite deals that come your way in Philips. It's not a you definitely want to check out the Phillips Oracle one blade good stuff and we're also having Boscell stubble bowl so you wanna boscell stubble dot com. Enter to win in a free trip to Miami for two including round trip if a hotel access the Boston radio in VIP tickets are often rowdy. Eleven in Miami again go to basketball stubble bowl dot com for that to check out Kenai brands go to. 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The Clone Wars | Star Wars

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The Clone Wars | Star Wars

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Wars and store were Saugus to date taken official Canon end legends Hashtag cannon on an into account so keep your eyes on the father daughter and the son because it's time to head tomorrow's Jason Yes live for the Living Janai. We must live through US forever. They will and that gets us. To this episode's big idea sold search our feelings and use the force. The defining theme of this episode is expanding the universe start with the film and then the formation these steps that brought us to the two thousand and eight clone wars series series in two thousand and three star wars clone wars. The Gandhi tartikoff's ski micro series. That I will be talking about later in Jeddah. Temple and depth began ultimately ultimately airing on cartoon network for three seasons twenty five mini episodes about three to five minutes a piece in the third season. They were twelve minute episodes up which they were five Disney then acquired Lucasfilm in two thousand twelve and unfortunately our good friend. Gandhi Tarkovsky Kaczynski's clone wars series was then De canonized. Tough very tough because there is some Tremendous it's really great. There's there's so many good things about it including like the most visceral force battles that you've ever seen from certain jet is really incredible tools. And then in any and pad may almost digging down their alley also very detailed cutting of the Pantheon braid ritual. Yeah great great stuff there love that and then Great shocked he action tons more on that star wars the clone wars the two thousand eight theatrical film and ensuing animated TV series was not he canonized Kospi's clone wars and Star Wars. The clone wars are different things. Okay now that that establish it can you know the difference. One as the threat is the more recent Canon yes clone wars animated series. That's right by. Hi Dave Looney that aired on cartoon network and then later on Netflix. Yes different animation styles. Different people running in different approaches different different different effort ones can and what isn't had to get that set up top so the clone wars film which was a theatrical release. Yes came before the show. The movie came out. In August of two thousand eight it spawned a fresh push for Merch. Yes video game novelization comics etc etc etc.. George Lucas was heavily involved in all aspects of the beginning of this it a two thousand eight interview with entertainment. Italy's Joshua Rich. He explained the desire to pursue this clone wars project again on the heels of the prior micro micro clone wars project thusly quote whenever you create a universe there's just vast areas you've never touched and part of that. Was this just to say well. Gee I do the movies about everything but the clone wars so fun to do a TV series that is nothing but the clone wars and we could just have all the adventures. So there's an aspect that's funny. It is funny because it was obviously his choice to focus the prequels on Corny Romance and the tax policies. Yes blockades but the heart of what he's saying there is actually the key to what makes the clone wars television show so so satisfying that you do have all those new adventures you do spend all that time. In the aspects of the story that you weren't previously able to inhabit so this obviously takes place between attack loans intervention the fifth another key difference between the clone wars and clone wars is that clone wars came out in two thousand three which was of course before orange. It's right by the time he doesn't it rolls around. The prequels have been finished. They're out there. Everybody knows what's in them. Everybody has seen addicts fall. We have seen my darling. Ob One Xiaojie algae where my brother we know are moving toward and so we can explore fully every event that led. They're the the film got made. This is the animated clones raiders movie. which if you read any George? Lucas quotes from the time. By the way he'll describe consistently is three and then immediately correct Iraq himself and say it's now three D.. I mean. CG It's very funny. Well I mean it's interesting because they call. Traditional animation is called to yes that is certainly and then what he he was there. The animation style is that blocking three dimensional quality. He will also say things like you know who use words like anime. The main. He's he's trying all of his describe. The aesthetic was deliberate and very different. Found that to D flat. Admission that Before so there's three d. like unique glasses frogs which is also something he wanted to star wars and thus why he had to keep correcting himself. The movie came about because Lucas saw the first episodes of the clone own worse. I love this so much and was like yeah. This is great. Let's make a movie. What are you guys? Put it up their own out. Howard Rothman the then president of Lucas Licensing told the New York Times? Douglas Cuenca in two thousand eight quote. Sometimes George Works in strange ways. Yeah just like soft. Three episodes of the clone wars was like. Let's this movie. So why is this a key detail because it is important to note that this was not the plan. This was never be a movie. This was never never supposed to be a mass theatrical release and it's important to know that because of what we're GONNA stay next. which is the people they sent? They login the eighty eighty and hated it or way that very few things associated with Star Wars are heated. Even even the most reviled terrible things do not Garner at estalishing dropping. This is a real. It seems this fake eight percent fresh so tough on the rotten tomatoes website that is rancid. God that is very hard to do. It is is something within the Star Wars Brand Iran. That is almost unheard of so we have just now in the current day gone through this moment in time where there was a lot of. Thanks about star. Wars ride skywalker. People are unhappy. Were still the trevorrow script league that were still living just gripped however that was balanced out by the Fauria around the mandatory and all of this excitement been about other aspects of Star Wars Creation. Put yourself back in two thousand eight when you're rocking an eighteen percent around tomatoes. And you've just come off the prequel run now. Of course. Revenge of the Seth is widely considered the best of the pre core and so there had been a little bit of a restoration of faith but this was probably probably a scary moment. Do you think it was because of the banking collapse enough and to be clear. You mean the Real World Bank I I rushing rush Kovacs banking collapse. We'll see and season six difficult. Onerous Rush Clovis briefly holding a gun in Japan as head and saying I'm not the villain. Just take a step away. Look at yourself guy. There's some incredibly tough. Clovis energy throughout all of the Clovis scenes in clone wars and that is some of the darkest anikin his response to that so well. Here's a here's a good some good context for a just how heated the clone wars fell. Movie is Razzie Razzie Star Wars episode. One the phantom menace terrible film fifty three percent on rotten tomatoes. That's over on my God better reviewed than the clone war. If you're trying to make a salad you got more than half tomato There yeah just pick those bad ones out you make a solid that's fine. What is rising skywalker? Currently sitting teague s US fifty eight. I'm going to go higher. I'M GONNA go like seventy ready Fifty two percent holy Shit Shit so its lowest now know what attack of the clones sixty five. Wow My god. Delicious eighteen is studying with that sake. You fucking hate it. They they hated hated it for real. We're not even going to bother reading the reviews of their savage. Treat yourself to them. If you're so inclined. Why should you watch the movie? Then what it. What might you get out of it because I think there are quite a few reasons to watch it? First of all if you are embarking working on a clone wars journey there are a hundred twenty one episodes plus enormous supplemental material arcs. That were not not actually released as full episodes and they came out and other ways which was about a minute. You're GONNA spend a Lotta time you're GONNA love it. It's going to be one of the delights of your life as it was for for us. It's great but it's it's a long show very long. The film is ninety eight minutes so it's a very very very white lift in a moves Bouche at the beginning beginning of your journey of in that sense. It's kind of just like why not sure because if you just would want you're going to have some questions it's better to Orient Yourself fully the way that you were intended to for example. It's where you meet a soak up and so close one of the three primary figures in the clone wars. Obviously it's also where your first introduced to startlingly handsome obi-wan-kenobi his animation style see throughout the clone wars. I of mentioned in this before you get it out of the way now and then I'll while I was gonna say I'm not gonNA mention it again but that's a lie. I'll probably mentioned like fifty times. He's so sir handsome. I understand that he's a cartoon that I sound crazy but I don't care. He has these incredible cheekbones peak bones. This chiseled jaw a wonderful beard. Great Hair that grows throughout the series. And sometimes it's like the piece of Herron has the front of his head kind of like will fall loosely draping draping over his forehead. And you have to be to brush it aside. It's wonderful as these piercing blue eyes. He's so hot. We learned that he is robust. I love life history. He is a delight. One of my favorite things about the show. So you get a Orient Yourself to him here. It is a Sasha venture says introduction in Hanan now of course she's a really important figure and Def- loney directed the movie and He is now the godfather of this era of Star Wars TV. He's the primary driver other than obviously George Lucas of the clone wars. TV Show rebels made us as part of everything. So you get to acclimate yourself up to his star wars craft right away and basically it service a pilot for the show. Yeah so even though it was again put out his movie because George decided he wanted to do that. It's just supposed to be the beginning of the show and so it's kind of the best starting point it's worth it even. If you're not gonNA necessarily like plus meet Stinky Stinky. Hello hated stinky. His think he's not really compelling and it's kind of there's no dignity in jobless son Stinky. There's like you're talking about a respected acted. Nee feared name in the galaxy of feared bloodline and then to have the offspring of this titanic Juggernaut of gangster named Stinky. I just think it's up there with like darth Wilson. What about Darth Smith? Darth Smith DARTH Achey. I think everyone what a what an incredible development Dr thicky would have been so then we get to the show shows legacy its lifespan. It's eventual cancellation and return in a couple different varieties the fact that the show works so well so while the film does not is actually in many ways the endorsement for the show exactly. It's the key to understanding that secret sauce. That makes the six seasons that we've got in the seventh there were about to so fulfilling time. Yeah space the ability to really exist alongside both the characters that you've known for so long already Eddie and see them in a different light and then to meet all of these new people to understand really they are to explore y they behave the way they do why they make the choices that they make. What's their history? How do they feel about the relationships in their lives? How did the people in those relationships with feel about them and the choices they're making what are their abilities what are their desires? All of that is explored leisurely jury Asli in the clone wars television. Show it is wonderful. If anything it makes the prequels like really devastatingly sad. Yeah yes ask because you really you get this background on Anikin on the young llings on the relationships that all these characters have with each other on the clones and the way they're actually actually individuals not just disposable. Ray like soldiers that you can just make more of an throwaway and to know where it's all going is. Really really heartbreaking The show debuted on October. Third Two thousand eight shortly on the heels of the film with Dave Baloney Operating as supervising director seasons is one through five aired on cartoon network and featured twenty two in season. Five's case twenty episodes per season Dave phony to Andy on the star wars show in August two thousand eighteen. It was looking back at the Moore said quote. It was the greatest time for sure for a lot of us. I think it was like a masterclass. Getting your doctorate in filmmaking directly from George Lucas. He was teaching us just what he liked. Not so much about Star Wars. Sometimes it was but it was really just about the way he thought about film saw film films he watched. It was the greatest. Rita's learning environment that I've ever had in this job. There's a really cool little feature at on the empire strikes back. DVD where you can watch. George Lucas sit in the clone wars writer's room and read his notes. We've talked about this before a couple of times when talking about the nature of the dark oxide in the nature of the force. He's just sitting there with pieces of paper that he has maintained over the years and reading aloud to this room if people people who are obviously love star wars and are getting the chance to now make star wars. And he's explaining to them how he conceptualize Star Wars. This is what the force is. This is how it works. This is why the dark side is easy. This is why the light side is hard. I think when you're watching that the most interesting thing obviously please just hearing that information but the secondary factor that is almost school is watching all of their faces. All of the people in that writer's room in Flint is one of them. They're all they can't believe that they have the privilege of making star wars and I just think that's also one of the things that's so cool about this and about clone wars. Is this this kind of baton passing moment in the Canon where George Lucas still obviously a foundational force and we feel his presence especially at the beginning but also like his tutelage and the way that that is filtering down to other people who are then and now responsible for so so much of how we think about the story and what we think. The story is the characters you know. We're GONNA talk about a lot today and we're GONNA do entire podcast on Soka soon. We're GONNA do a character study. Buddy goes Dave bolognaise baby. That's a pretty crazy now. She is beloved by Fans Actually an interesting thing to think about the difference between the movie be in the show in one of many people kind of like he did so good at first I thought she was obnoxious. A who why she calling could sky guy. Why is he calling her snip? Since weird but the way that she grows and evolves throughout the series and becomes such a titanic force in the story and somebody that you were so attached to and so drawn to. It's one of one hundred examples that you could give about how this show succeeded and really carved out this lasting place in people's hearts and minds. They must feel absolutely absolutely incredible to have so much love and respect for this story and to have it affect your life to really become a huge part of your life in the way it clearly has for floating in the other people who created the show and then actually be able to not just play in the sandbox but like like introduced new elements must be like truly heady stuff. Yeah you get to put a new turret on the castle or build a new castle entirely. This is what Wolf like one day when we get to make a Harry Potter. Let's well one day. They'll say man when Jason and Molly got to make law or it was like they didn't just have to play in someone else's Sambat on the seasons were structured with themes three lines season one is unnamed but focuses. This is heavily on the conflict itself the war and the battles which is a great way to transition from the two thousand and three series. There's a lot of Juku. Grievous Davis in the season a lot of republic versus separatist politicking season two is called rise of the bounty hunters interiors. Very good lots of off hunter driven. Quests we get cad bane we get Bobo we get the famous seven Samurai Amish Omar's and bounty hunters season. Three secrets revealed tremendous the stuff here. The first half of the season stitches together more cohesive chronology and information and then the second half long-term Mannequin Force. Jed that I am insights season. Three is like a little bit disorienting at first because so much of it is out of chronological order and there to watch clone wars. You can watch it and sees an order or you can watch it in chronological order and their guides all over the Internet including unofficial on on starwars. Our shot calm about what the chronological order is. If you want to watch the episode to that story since basically when you're watching for the first time just in the season order the first half half a season three is like a little on mooring but ultimately even though in the moment starring it feels a lot gaps and answers a lot of question that you have and then when you get back half of it and you're on more we're gonNA talk about some of those episodes later today. When we get to our most essential episodes of the entire experience it's awe inspiring how deep dive into the mythology and to how the force works and to what the implications of some of the questions that we always like talk about like the idea of choice in destiny? Snes what is establish. What would you have free will and agency over so season three is like it's almost two seasons put into one and it's fascinating season? Four is called battle lines in nere. Here we get an expansion of the existent conflict with new armies planets new focuses on how the conflict is impacting. Different systems in different cultures. Mangala Lombardo Zeh Geria- data mirror and more on and on and on season five is also a name but some of the best episodes the biggest emotional punches in the series or in this season You're getting in the. That's the mandal or stuff here is we'll be gone long on that in his really great and it ties together. Some stuff that had kind of been seeded out throughout the preceding absolute Now here we're starting to get yet the show runners delving into some longer form storytelling five four part are exhausted forum twenty total episodes at various Soka heavy. ABC's and leading toward her departure from the Jedi order. A fog emotional got punch and lots of Darth Maul. Yes and then season six. Six final season is called loss missions unique structure In March two thousand Thirteen Disney cancelled the series. Eventually eventually these thirteen episodes says refinished aired on Netflix dining team the show is canon thankfully but also wanted to put his own stamp on Star Wars TV with new projects like rebel. Risen will later on resistance it. We're very lucky. Given the decision to say we're finished with this. We want to make our own thing that they were able to put out these thirteen episodes. Yes is his and six and do. aww It starts off with a bit of a Tick Tock from the perspective of the clone soldiers as we head towards order sixty six six and the fives now and always Shasta Fi Tops meets like at one point. Five's is like we're not throw a soldiers like people were. He's an in individual. You can't just like get rid of him in. This isn't a great episode. Where five's discovered that air is editor inhibitor chip and is trying to figure out who did this? And what's going on. Also the fear and him when he has his own removed and he's like he doesn't know if he's going to die knowing who you are what somebody else's intending for you to do as is a obviously exponentially terrifying thing. It really strong strong strong. Start to that season. The clone wars legacy also followed disseminating the episodes. They never made it in different ways. Darth Maul Sun Dafa Mir a four episode arc that was turned into a four issue. Comic Great Comic highly recommend reading it. If interested in mall or mother Tollackson worth read also a heart wrenching moment where Obi Wan cries and reflects on sixteen devastating Crystal Crisis Isis. On Europol at Matt's of the four episodes are on the BLU ray and on Youtube. That's a jarring visual experience because it's not fully rendered animation. So you want an advocate and like they don't blink. They have holes in their next limit to start brands. Also go horror film version of it. I found myself really lamenting the fact. The Dat for episode Arc had not been fully finish and realize put out as official episodes in season six because four episodes roads were OBI WAN and Anikin run around together and talk about their feelings. I mean anikin talks about how he misses Soka in these episodes which is so important Cornyn so crucial in the Khyber still element of it. There's this massive guy identity that grievous is pursuing and that they're trying to use obviously to power their weapons and it's just it's that actually feels essential and I wish that we had gone to see the fully realized version. But it's cool that you can go find the bad batch of four episode anime attic on starwars dot com. And you'll find YouTube. The I'm a little bit of a lightweight when it comes to our elements at the moment this where you I see echo and see what he looks like and what they've done him again to your earlier point about humanizing the clones. That's a really tragic moment for seeing. How literal is the idea of a human being turned into a machine in that world was and it's very upsetting but the bad batch which itself those four clone soldiers who do not fit the mold perfectly and have different power different abilities different physicality that really cool getting to know those characters characters and then dark disciple aid turned into a Christie golden novel which focused on venturous and Quinlan boss? That's when when venturous has abandoned. Her life has dupuis apprentice out. There bounty hunting Elaine venturous this just too much flipflop I like it and I appreciate the fact that her character actor Salish is that you don't have to be lost forever. You know you can eventually come back and fuck a jet. I I thought it would be. We'll talk about later. But the chemistry St Extremely Light Bow. Fuck right now. It's bound the hugely usually anticipated season. Seven return which was just a classic fan fuel. Seve the clone wars efforts. Each of Band Merrin come this. This was announced a comic con in July of two eighteen. It's going to premiere on Disney plus again under days loonies guidance on February seventeenth this twenty seven very soon it's going to be twelve episodes. It's a war left unfinished as how the trailer opens. I got a chill and then it says until now it's like Holy Shit spine tingling if you watch coal north for the first time heading into this again. We mentioned you can do the season or you can do the chronological order. A little snapshot of what we mean here. If you look at the chronological order. The episode numbers on starwars Dot Com would read two one six one six teen film three. Oh one three zero three one one one two I You're watching this season order. It's a can be a little bit confounding. What is happening? What order when you return to certain plot points and why but broadly? I think it doesn't matter which which way you choose to watch it. You're going to have a lot of fun either way. So intimacies and seven and what we're GONNA get. In those episodes you know soak lease at the end of season five. It is absolutely gut wrenching. We're GONNA talk about that episode one of the best in the entire run of the show so because not in season six. You're waiting you're waiting so close. Of course she has her own novel. She's rebels rebels but season seven of clone wars. Looks like it is largely going to hinge on Asakusa return now how far it goes toward cifs and where we are with and can. I'm not one I think is kind of Niki question. Actually and I think that it's probably deliberate that we're not seeing a lot of them in trailers in the marketing for that reason but the point join is that there's a lot of story left to tell and that the story that's left Ital- specifically is really actually the stuff that people care about the most. It's what happened to these people. We live in the relationships that they share with each other. They're so they've Lonnie in an interview with aws. James Hibberd this past August said this is really this is definitely actually the final season and we just basically needed to finish it to hit those final notes quote it will conclude the story that George Lucas and I started together. There could be stories after that to take place with a lot of these characters and of course that will be true but especially for me directing Kleinwort's being that hands on I wrote and directed the final four episodes. It's the end of something I feel really good about that. Makes me me unbelievably excited for those final four and very let me ask you a question. Yeah do you want to see the animated clone wars version of events from seth like. Do you want to see Anna. Can it'll be on because I do. I think that would be really cool. I'd like to see it from a different perspective. Doesn't need to which I think is what they would do. Yes but I would like that. I think that would be really awesome. I think especially because we have gotten snippets Atkins vision of his future. On mortis Yoda's vision of order sixty six unfolding on data. We know that those key events what actually does happen in revenge the fifth is something that the show and the animators want to explore and have introduced in these little snapshots I I would be surprised. We didn't get it but as you head when you enthusiastically shouted the siege of Mana Laura earlier. That's the announced announced focus. That has what felonious has said. We're GONNA get. We're getting the seizure mandatory. We're getting a soak returning for that conflict. which if you've read her novel you know as he's a key event for her arc? We're GONNA get more darth ball. Obviously he is in rebels. Save those deaths spoiled by us. We know who make it through season seven kilometers to make it to rebels and again when getting kind of at the heart of what has meant to him into fans Baloney said on the Star Wars show in that interview mentioned earlier in two thousand eighteen. I wanted to make sure that there was a story there worth telling that could really get into it and find the emotional center of it. What was is the piece that people needed to see that they didn't have? I just can't wait to see that I'm so excited. I'm also really sad. Yeah because just knowing that there was the prospect of getting a little a bit more of it felt like something that we could hold onto and I just have struggled a lot as a fan the past year or so with things that I cherish ending and the thing thing that I have to hold on to of course is I get to be here with you talking about them forever you know and like old man the stories are they wait and they'll always be there. We can always return. I've already excited sater's re-watch all of this again and there's so much of this as said season seven more to come and then by the time you get to the end of midway through season two rebels is like your ooh returning. That is some heavy hitting shit fulcrum. It's show heavy heavy hitting so why does clone wars. The television show works so well. Why do we love it? You mentioned the Prequel comp earlier and I think that's worth talking about for a couple of minutes here because it is a correction against so much we really didn't work in the prequels now. I think there's a flip side to that. which is if you require other sources to tell your story than clearly? Your main story has is failed a little bit that being said this is the best way to engage with the story of the prequels. It's just it just is so live and rich. It tells you more of what happened during that time with the character up to in a really immersive way it tells you about a key period did in the not just in the time of the lives of these characters but in in collective history. So that's an important point because it's easy to mock can derive the prequels but a lot of what's in the prequels is important. Good yes and is stuff that people actually do love and want more of and I think in many ways the entire clone wars project endeavors recognition of that that is really rich textual period to explore. Just because you know. We talked about this a lot in our vengeance under the sift podcasts. We don't need to relocate all of it but the miracle of that movie in particular that you know exactly where it's all about finding out how you get there and clone wars that idea at large you know. Of course we know what's going to happen with Anna. Can it'll be one. But how annex relationship so evolved for examples entirely new does seeing more with Anneke Padej recognizing all of these different aspects of Anikin persona and he. He's the main character but there are literally hundreds of characters that you get to see in new ways. Yoda the Jedi order. How where people interacting with PAL Patina Duku so much more? We're going to run quickly through some of the characters here now. Now it is again to go back to the tick tock leading up to order sixty six to realize like how close they really did come to uncovering. This plot is double both had to meditate on exciting and in absolutely infuriating. Where you're just like come? On shocking appalling and maddening putting together that blend that alchemy of the old and the new characters we already had time with and were invested in some way and people who are introduced us for the first time same for planet same for events you know return to places like UDO POW and Gino says and and on and on and on goes also introduces so many new species the season races and ways of life and cultures. And you get to think in a new and bigger way about the impact because galaxies vast. What the war really do and what does it really mean? How did it impact all these people in? The show allows us to ask questions. So let's let's quickly run through some of the characters characters. Let's start before we get to our old pals let's start with someone in new characters who clone wars either introduced or introduced in Canon and acknowledge. What's that distinction that some of these characters existed elsewhere? But this is there now official Canon introduction. We asked are the SOKA. Yeah probably the most important non film yes character character that has been introduced to star wars. And sorry we're not gonNA count her. One Line of dialogue and rises skywalker are now being still waiting. Yes voice wonderfully by Ashley extremist with a lot of pathos and emotion and fierceness as well so the magic of a Soka is is manifold incredibly compelling and engaging character in her own right in the back you could just watch the show and you really have a good time in no way does is the next point minimize that. She unlocks advocate. Oh yeah more than any other character more than even pad may or Obi Wan as is the responsibility. Liberty of mentoring her. Yes it allows you to see him in a totally different light and to to respect him and care about him more than you did before. Because he's a leader and you know we talked. So much in the Prequel pods about how the tragedy Mannequin Skywalker. Is that the way that he felt about his mother. The way that he felt about had had may alternate listening. Good love is corrupted and corroded to lead to his fall of course in addition to his hubris greed. EXCETERA has desire to control his relationship with the so-called allows you to see that love from him. It's such a new and fresh way. He is so invested in guiding her nurturing her and protecting her and it was fascinating is he is still obedience paddle on right so he is in this this interesting middle ground where he is this revered general leader in the war effort. He's a master to a Soka a prodigy in her own right But he's also wants to also telling him what to do all the time. It's it's this fascinating. Blend endan emissary pretending a lot of ways. He gives her while he fries are ample guidance. He gives her a lot of ways the freedom that he wished that Obi Wan on gave he lets he lets her lead missions on her own and trust certain do it and then in the moments where he finds that. He doesn't have the strength to do that. He he is forced to look inward assess his own hypocrisy while. If I don't trust her to do this why should I expect someone else to trust me either way whichever yes fashion. He's acting in. It unlocks something for us about him for him about himself. Day Phony said in the sorrow show interview of a Soka. One of her secret superpowers is that she is Anakena. Jason and that relationship is every because for the old fans that means insight into a character that they knew for the young fans it means insight into a star wars that maybe they're not as familiar with so she's a tremendously important bridge catcher. That that's a nice way of thinking about agree. Then we have a Sasha interest interest. Your girl voiced by Nika Firm. I Love I do love. She's incredible she is a fierce and terrifying firecracker white eight sexy in a really kind of force choke me way a a bit of a loose cannon absolutely not willing to Kowtow to anybody marrying a soak it in the sense that she questions things a lot. She's an important character because she's a villain in a lot of respect for much of the story. She has dupuis assassin his apprentice ever. We're calling and and you want to hate her. You know we see her fight and Kenobi one time and time again. Many again she and Obi Wan have absolutely electric together. And they overtly flirt like there's nothing subtle fighting. It's incredible like Youtube. Just turn off the light sabers and go fuck instead of trash. trash-talk during a sporting event and fuck talk during his like absurd could watch it endlessly. I love it. But in addition to all that we get to see eh her back story and the tragedy of her own uprising and the Jed eye master who she lost and the way that her life was torn down ripped away from Mr then of course she is also an into the night sisters. One of we have many of the night sisters and mother tells him with Spothero Press Mall etc the expansion mansion the magic in the lower and the way that you can two different characters tap into the force in different ways we go to death Amir that is all fascinating and then win. PALPITATION orders Duda dispense with her. You feel an unbelievable surge of empathy for character he previously despised and the round and unbelievable chief. Milius it's tremendous A Tattoo on the back of her head looks like the elder wand. Oh interesting it does. I find that's Vicky about that. Then sixteen voiced by Anna Graves. The Duchess sitting mandal or leader of the new man delorean in political movement. And when we need her the leader of Manda Loehr I think one of the plot. I think isn't too. I think probably among the most courageous characters definitely actually principles Yes principal blake walks in and talks. It is trying to to lead her people into a completely new era now ask of their history and is on the one hand trying to keep the republic away in order to maintain their independence because they are a fiercely. Proud people they don't want to. She doesn't want even the implication that they might be yes A puppet of the Republic and on the other hand fighting this desperate battle against the insurgents from within yes and incredible and the whole time yes he has electric relationship with. Ob One that was clearly consummated consummated. Back in the day. Obi Wan we soon discover was sent to with Gregg on with quite sentimental or to watch over her during Z.. Civil war that gave birth anew Malloy in order. Yes so we're GONNA talk about a couple different seasonable amazing a couple of different sixteen episodes at Ark smadar top eight episodes list which were going to get you later so we will return to her and specifically to the kids love relationship with Obi Wan but she as an incredible character and her death is absolutely shatteringly sad. It's very very rough my favorite. It's maybe my favorite overall plot. Yes solicit team stuff and of course if you I mean bulletin is also in close. But if you're a rebels fan in your vested in Book Mattis Stints Sister. stor sit-ins impact stretches out across the story. Even be out in the roads that she's in but she's she's beautiful and in many ways of heart of mind of body that'd be one would happily tell you she confesses her love to him twice. It's absolutely shreds your soul times. I was very tough specifically so a previous listen. Baloney clearly loves the man Lorient's orients is fascinated by them. As does Jon Favreau yes. Previous love voiced by John Farrow previously. Now the leader of death breath watch this hard core traditionalist splinter group from within Mandala or that is to restore the warrior way is trying to restore the warrior ways being a terrorist group basically to unseat SA- teen and etc etc etc.. So it's really exciting. are both introduced in the mandal or plots us into episode twelve previous other key contribution in addition to the political strife on manned Lauren how it impacts all of the primary characters he wields sabre yeah and he is savagely don't don and killed by mall in their door which which will also get to later. It was saber passes a miscalculation three I. It's the clone wars version of like swaggie thrown back briefly eighty before it goes in calculation by my guy. Come on free stuff for free. Oh mother tells the night sister Hell Yeah brothers you tonight. Sisters and mother ultimate more interesting really cool stuff some very convoluted stuff with mother towels end but like very very fun and very Madjeski aways. Is it a magic spelled with a K.. If you're watching with closed captions always fun. The green missed the way that mother Tall Zan then impacts not only venturous and mall and Savar. Her boss her son but the way that she connects next to do coup in particular is really riveting. There's a great sequence where she basically makes a Duku Voodoo doll. Dollar is torturing him from afar he's covered in boils wrench over bonding. Like this is the second get most feared Sieff Lord of the Galaxy. It's she's tremendously powerful. Now that's the point and is unafraid to introduce her and her plans version of maneuvering into the store and the night sisters are eviscerated after they rally around mattress and fight for her. That's not stop. Mother tells from from finding a way to stick around folks. And you gotta read those Ball Com Audi or nobody she stick around that's right So visual press voiced by Mike clancy. The Greek clancy Brown. Jeff could himself rock jeffcoat drought geographical. The brother Yes of Darth Maul the loyal loyal brother of yet terrifying guy Ferocious never if you really look at the clone wars never actually actually wins a fight. You know it's an interesting point. He's a real presence a forceful president. He's scary to other people. He is a terrifying irvy's to look at. Yes but you're right that he just kind of instantly fast. Forwards from the mother tells Literal Expansion Chin yells. His body has sizes haft to entering the training to be dupuis apprentice that goes sideways in. Because right with I have a lot of questions about Duke. Who is a manager? Just I mean he is failing all the time consistently failing and they level failing my guy the counts and like getting found out by his boss and he's taken on apprentice. I like all the time. It's come on definitely helps close again fills in a lot of gaps but one of the things does really well you never ever again. We'll watch PAL PATINE CONVINCE ANAKENA CUTOFF dupuis head. And wonder why this fucking finally I got somebody. Yeah we get get rid of this guy unbelievable constantly with him you right there then survives finds mall and brings his brother back and very quickly after that is arm sliced I often. He's killed very ultimately. He's Lightsaber is Jeff. I did a Colo.. I'm Kinda come. Show any correlation any like any Djeddai or or sixth century. Myth like there is in the human muddle. Were all about like shoe size lights rebels. Canaan just tells Ezra that you just turn the dial but he's the shaft of it as a wise. You're wiser lightsaber nine feet long. Oh let's very quickly go through some of the other new characters before we get harassed friends there. The great cad bane I mean are you ready to rate and the feared your cad bane. Are you ready to recant. Your prior take that you would pick Boba over cad bane. I mean had been gets a lot of spotlight in this series and he is handful handful tremendous one of the great episode. That is not gonNa make our top aide is called box and it. Is this entire fascinating secrets. Were Obi Wan in essence fakes. His death. Yes the impersonates a sniper so that he can then go underground with cad bane and other underworld contingents in some very heartwarming stuff without adding response to the prospect of OBI Wan dying. By the way. But it's really funny to see how cad bane is threatened by someone being on his corner that is the only thing that really makes me doubt him other than that. He is exemplary steel and saw Carreira. Yeah men men's partisan action Sauger era Leeann some handsome little bit of a little tation little flirtatious. Some love triangle. Stuff wear aware because in love with lock. That's right who is a pretty young stir. Look kid looks Matarese another character. We can talk about him now because he's connected connected. He's an interesting way actually better understanding the separatists. We've been a lot of time with various separatists. His mother was a senator a real believer in the cause was ultimately killed. Leads locks down this long and winding path where he moves away from the separatist faction briefly toward death. Watch great episode tough decision from locks walks and then eventually after his entire sequence here with saw and Seila eventually towards the republic he and his socar. I haven't hot the heavy for each other. Except that then locks falls in love with steve to their together Wallace Okaz looking at locks and then saw looking at a Soka. Here's my take a Soka. Is there on the planet order to like train up this freedom fighting malicious to get them battle radio really sad droids ethical conundrums Kirk Eric. By the way Oh so many way too many but it's it's kind of like look guys we're here to fight for freedom. Yeah we're using using live weapons often just keeping your house. Yes stop flirting during the train. I'm going to go completely in the other direction I point and I I respect it. I were hit back to that. They're they're trading with grenades. Yeah there's a lot of Bob looks will like throw is at stealing. The downcast sad is it as a guy were fighting with like blasters and laminated name's boiler but what are the ways that this all manifest dissidents feel a falls to her death when a Soka is trying to rescue the force but what is also. It's it's Joe to kill your boyfriend's girlfriend messy out here however let me just say yes. I think that one of the real signature achievements and I don't just mean this because I'm in love with Obi Wan though I am yellow one of the signature achievements of clone. Moore's it's humanizing because almost all of the characters have some sort of love interest or relationship if such and we are reminded we hear them say it. We heard them acknowledged. Those feelings are natural and that gets to the heart of one of the things that we talked about in the prequels which is what if everyone had just said to Anikin Anikin. Oh you're in love with Padma you fuck pad may go with God. My guy a walk could have been different and plan. Were shows that aspect of all of the different characters. Those feelings for other people are pointing alive. We'll touch on this later but like it's a great point like the gentle ribbing of back when when he finds out about patient is fantastic. I'll go this way your girlfriend okay. She girlfriend what about Padme as X.. Clovis amount on clovis that's my stance and I will not be altering it. There's not a lot to offer from Columbus. He's ultimately bad dude. Who has way too many irons? In the fire is useful in the sense that he helps uncover the banking clan's machinations modeling moon. Action that we have plane both sides of the Galactic civil war that said Clovis ultimately not a great guy also super stupid fistfight eight again. It gets his teeth knocked in. He's a real dummy he's also like he maneuvers versus manpower and then his ousted within literal. It's like come on compelling part about Clovis is that the way that anikin response to seeing in Clovis and Padma together in this is over two separate arcs the first start Moore watching this for the first time horrify because pad may is basically like used post. Yeah Oh go on this date with your axe so that we can get information. And it's very gross. In Weird ultimately though the way that Anikin Action Response Response to Clovis then and then especially the way. He reacts him in Season Six the counterpoint. Everything that we've been saying about kilometers again. He's lovable. He's likable you root for him. You invest in him. The counterpoint is that you actually still need moments like this where you see the rage inside of him what we always hear the fear. The anger the jealousy greed right. You have to actually still establish those parts of his character because ultimately this covers the same span of time where. He's marching toward becoming darth vader. So the Clovis Arc is actually essential in that respect. What about your boy Honda? NOCCO that wraps skelly pirate always causing trouble everywhere. He he goes and he's in this from the beginning. I mean anyone episode eleven. We don't need you just Kinda feel like okay whenever they need a little bit of levity. There's is to maybe too much he's a riot too much like venturous. Just like scowling. Or how do we inject a little bit of excitement. In to be young angling putting together their light sabers how about we get Honda Anaka to parachute in and through the whole thing into chaos winking chaos what is this cast disrupt specifically balance right. What are we talking about all the time? When Star Wars story the binary of dark and light it's actually essential it is imperative to have characters who refused to live in the black and white who acknowledge and remind us of the fact that so much life exists in the gray? That is Honda. Very bad guy who does bad things but also sometimes there's a heart of gold and someone who are friends turn to and rely on and the unlikely team ups are one one of the best things that happened in clone wars and he's just as likely to be imprisoning Obi Wan anecdote enforcing them to align with do as he is is to be partnering or a persona as he is to be partnering with. Ob One adventurous to help topple mall. He's a part of it all fascinating character absolutely. What about some of our old friends? Oh yeah the characters who he loved or hated already get to see in a new light spend more time with obviously and against the heart of and he can voice. My Matt Lander just fills him out in a way that this is gonNA sound over up and it's not as kind of miraculously it's incredible. It just adds an incredible amount of depth and real pathos to a character that you thought you knew. Yes that is concise and well stated. Yeah I think the the upshot of the achievement is that clone wars and Anikin that we get in clone wars gives us the version of mannequin that we needed all along but also it allows us to basically enter George Lucas heads face when he was conceiving of Star Wars in the first place and I ask you to hear this and learned think about it in a mild mannered open-minded fashion. I don't mean this is shaded at Luke who is obviously an important part of Star Wars. This allows Peter Remember that Anikin is actually the main character stores. It's it's it's a great point. Yes Hot Obi Wan James Taylor Voice Obi Wan is is just amazing. He's great he's definitely my favorite character in the show. Not just because he looks fucking great though he does he is so Sassy I see. There's an incredible video on Youtube of many of Obi Wan Strolls yes from clone wars. He's weighty and wind whips smart and he likes to talk shit he likes to push people out of their comfort zone and a lot of ways the most different yeah from the characterizations in both the prequels and the original certainly the original show Jay. There's some of that comedic. DNA in the McGregor prequel portrayal. But it is. It's like on steroids. They're in a way that is immensely effective and then also though he is thoughtful he is very much in falls in line with the order. And you it's thrilling when you get to see moments where he steps out of that and shifts into Anna's way of thinking and a little bit more of the roguish spirit We talked in our Hans Solo Solo character study about how clone wars OBI WAN has a lot of that roguish. Rebellious Han Energy. He stills also going to be the one who goes into Aniston's bedroom durum sits him down and says when I mentioned clovis the darkness rises in you and you can't let that happen so he's the only one we know you still want to shake him sometimes and say. Why are you telling advocate to do the thing that you yourself regret? Like his we see in this story that his life is in many ways defined defined by how he loves the Teen didn't pursue that tells her when she is l. gunpoint and he thinks this might be the inference. Not Actually yeah she. Later die in his arms tragically ethically his all right. If you had asked me to I would have left the jet work. Amazing was data's revelatory let about. It's a great point because even even in the prequels where we meet the young one Kanobi we never really understand what makes them tick and we do because of clone wars because we get Satini we all these other things that we understand the heart. That's beating him in the things that drive him. Yes you really get to know him in a completely different way through this show yes there's Absolutely nothing flat or unexplored about him and it's just a really rich and rewarding experience and I think he's one it's actually so fun and engaging to learn more about him that he's actually one of the characters who even though you get a ton of time with him. I mean I I have to sue me has probably like the third or fourth most minutes of any of the characters characters Anikin. It's probably right. I would stink or something. He's probably got a little bit more than me. Might have a little bit more than I don't know he's certainly top five years after you still end it thinking. Oh my God I have all these questions these other things I wanNA see no and learn the he's just tremendous how about pattern pad me a much more frontline leader in this series and independent woman. She has her own life. She has complete own life. She is going on missions on her own on may be accompanied by art two or three pl sometimes but she is out there making moves in the galaxy herself. She's an important ambassador. Hugely usually a huge like she's the front line of the republic absolutely is so respected that aid in order to launch. What is really a historic Soreq meeting between the sides in this conflict? The only person that is trusted enough to do it is Padma. That's incredible I. She is just a titanic attack figure within this series. We actually very rarely. I mean there are some romantic moments between Antikainen Padma in clone wars. But we very rarely are with them in in that fashion there so often ships in the night literally. Sometimes they both are enmeshed in these immensely inconsequential events. And every when you see them come together one of many examples we could give them on Kala plot that open season for with your your dude princely. Char your favorite delicious faith He's a great. It was a great leader. And it's tragic. What happened to him and you know look you have a moment? Where Jar jar has to save Padma because Anna can can and it's no fault of Atkins but the show does a really really strong job of reinforcing? The challenge at the secrecy of their relationship relationship constantly foisted upon them. Now it was of their own making and it also grapples with that reality but wasn't mean to constantly be together in situations of dire peril and not be able to fully express how you feel in any one of those moments could have been the end for them obviously eventually will be and they didn't get to just be in love with each other but it's never sappy or Sakhnin in the way that attack of the clones which is got an incredible and important and we're grateful for it Darth Maul. Yeah man so this is where you learn that is alive. He's alive and this is where you learn that. In so many ways he is the kind of like embodiment of the dark side in the sense that he's your rage he he can't not feud with everyone except for his brother that he comes in. A cart is feuding with chief Albertine. He's feuding with county. He's feuding with OBI WAN who can't wait to get revenge on. He's feuding with Anikin. He's feuding with the mandatory. It's like everywhere he turns. It's a fight. Yes the Sam wet were my dude. aiden voice work. Really taps into that. Almost hyper exaggerated quality deliberately to mall when we return to him he is actually lost in madness and has to through civilian mother Tauzin. There will push through that in return. He is restored and revitalize numerous different fashions. But he's of all the things you just listed his his obsession with Obiang. He's is the driving force. Get back person in this world. Who's more obsessed with cartoon obi-wan than I am in its darth Darth Maul? Darth Maul cannot stop with. Ob One then. We have iota voiced by Tom. Kane Masol the narrator quite a Yoda Ron here. It's it's quite a Yoda run. It can be really off. It's very up and down. I think Yoda if there's a character who comes off not rough from a storytelling perspective by the way Roth in terms CBS of classic meditate on it iota. If there's a character whose reputation is in any way even more tarnished its iota. It's iota because the amount of clues that he actually does get that you understand that the amount of threads that he had at his disposal whether it's order sixty six whether it's the true sure nature of sheep palpitation etc etc on and on multiple. Yeah chances to uncovered these things and without fail every single time he whiffs on it and even things like Soka being accused of bombing the Jedi temple. He's at the forefront and so is our dude mace window of just being spectacularly on what happened there he's also involved in some absolutely riveting sequences were one of his Rx made our top. It's actually the Arctic conclude season says great stuff just mesmerizing and wondrous. Quite gone force goes on and on and on we'll get. It's that later. Made a large dude kit fist. Sto Sheltie we're getting a lot of PLO koon chuck t very the Involved with the clone warriors like a lot of great stuff so getting spend time with these Djeddai who are given short shrift necessarily within the movies is wonderful. Oh as seeing them lead their clone troops seeing them the way they fight within the galaxy seeing the respect they have the way their troops respect them makes order sixty six even more tragic because because you wanna understand that they had fought so closely together they become real people to you and then you feel that loss keenly dude pappy. Listen Yeah I got it say there are so many moments of the clone wars were palpitation is is like Oh. It's so terrible that this thing his happened and it's like everybody. He barely even stopped short of hinging. Singers go aw. He does often do the tentative fingers like wild all the secrets where he goes to Mandel Orders Challenge Mall and we actually get to see. AM fight and door and you see him. Unleashes power is thrilling and terrifying. It is particularly affecting because mall is really like on a hi at that. You are not assist. You are not sit down and not only that but malls reaction to palpitation arriving. There is almost immediate. Obsequious like this guy who is this. Fearsome rage fields builds warrior is immediately. Oh I've doing this all for you. for greatness yet. Do we get the new one of Duke. They're leaning into the. He's a rich kid at his palace aspect of this in a way that I appreciate it in a mire. Yeah he is very he is Extremely Haughty yeah then we have grievous in a lot in the beginning out there is his eye on cannon a a wildcard we get an understanding for his inner tactical brilliant Z.. Is the attack Zeno. Incredible the driving having forced behind the actual movements of armies of the separatist army and other guy who fall his reputation kind of never wins. I mean just consistently getting dunked on like the number of times that we have to see him jump into some sort of at all just leave just before for his entire army explodes absolutely astonishing the other pal very quickly because they obviously they connect part of his apparatus like there are moments like with zillow plot but actually now in hindsight seem even more important because something like that was like centered on cloning. And when you can turn some sort of genetic protection shen into maybe something that makes you invincible. So you look back at that now. I'm kind of a different way. And then when you think about the forces that were often challenging Juku in Greece in the separatist. Yes we've already talked about ANAKENA. Nobody wanted but then you also have like. We haven't talked about our two yet through center. Lots of incredible show for our two and when we talked about Anna Cam and his relationships the other relationships that you really prize in new ways his relationship with our to our two as a prisoner of war at one point is torn apart everyone Provorov Yvonne. Leave him him. What do you mean you didn't wipe his memory and he just refuses? He risks everything to go. Get him back. It's wonderful. How about the clone trip? It's really another tiny miracle in this. Show is the elevation of the clone troopers from actual carbon copies right to soldiers with their own personalities polities their own points of view there in hopes their own fears games their own names they inject the numbers give himselves names and thus obviously identities what is the point ultimately of the helmets that the clones where the Mason faceless of course also they look cool and then they can sell march but it makes them faceless and then when the clone troopers in clone wars remove their helmets. You see they have different hairstyles. Some of them dye their hair. They cut it differently. Some of them have tattoos on their faces. They decorate their armor differently. Some of them draw the things on it. They have their call signs become names and identities and lake the relationship that they have. You know advocate and rex a Soka and racks. Our friends like they care about about each other and we see the wrecks soak relationship will carry on through her novel and then into rebels. Cody and OBI one we get ninety nine and thinking about what what happens when you're supposed to be this perfect creation and something goes wrong for you. What that shame? Feels like the desire to participate in this thing that so many of the other clones. UH-HUH JUST WANNA rebel against you know. There's a lovely sequence in one of the episodes where they discover that a clone soldier has gone with and started a life found a wife had children children five where you talked about him. But his refusal to abandon top and Matthew. quit trying to share this information with everyone. The way that racks and bad batch will will not give up on trying to find echo. I it's remarkable and it's and it's some of the most heartbreaking stuff in this series. There's a good George Lucas quote it to Star Wars Dot Com in March. Two Thousand Eighty said. Yeah now you get introduced to the clones which we didn't get in the movies correct now. They're like the main characters and they really are essential the whole thing and you can identify them. No they are and it's sort of like band of brothers only with Jed. I sure our good friend jar now quiros that can only putting Padma in peril by the way saves her a couple times who who would have expected anything else from our good friend figuring leashes virus rested almost killed figure bizarrely figures quite centrally. It's a season six in in one appeared that appeared at absolutely bizarre Ark. It's nice to have him back but if there was any kind of inkling that he might be doing something else no no no charge. Art is up to his old. He's always charge. Although I do appreciate the attempt to slightly rehabilitate him and say that yet. A function he had a role to serve any found out that he fucked at one point. Julia could the absolutely cannot get enough. Could not get enough. That wet flexible. Goggin hello and then Boba clone son just out there blowing up cruisers killing everyone he can now be your bounty hunter. Absolute fucking killer out here. Menace blaming the characters highlight all right return we will afterward from sponsors binge mode star. Wars yours is presented by state farm. No those days when it feels like problems just pop up nowhere. The helpful folks state farm do like lake a fender bender. When you're already late Bora the've breaking into your home and making off with your new flat screen? TV Luckily there are more than nineteen thousand agents. 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Teach US everything we need to know about the other clone wars the only Gandhi Tartikoff Skis Star Wars clone wars the micro series which debuted on the cartoon network in two thousand and three Gandhi. Tartokowski represents kind of American success story. That should be available Elba. Everyone can he was born in Moscow. Nineteen seventy beginning in the early seventies. The Soviet Union with basically no explanation began allowing significant numbers of Russian Jews to leave the country in nineteen seventy seven same year. New Hope hit theaters. His parents had dentist Senate Assistant. Principal move the family to the US in search of a better life and they ended up in Chicago. Haga I just wanted to fit in. I wanted to be American. I wanted to be normal. Gandhi said in two thousand seven mini doc about his career. Young Gandhi immersed himself in American popular culture comics cartoons of course star wars. When he was sixteen his father passed away and a steady paycheck became important career goal? He considered studying. Advertising is in college but when the classes he needed filled he took what was open animation. It was a moment but one that Gandhi where he earned whether he understood would it at the time or not had been working toward quote in high school. I would drink on Friday night. Wake up on Saturday with hangover and watch my cartoons. Tarkovsky said in two thousand thousand eight during a speaking engagement at the Rhode Island school design deep in my heart. I have always loved animations by the time Lucasfilm approached cartoon network about a potential. The animated series to tie together episodes. Two and three Charter Kofsky had already established himself. In the Industry He had created Samurai Jack dexterous laboratory and helped produce use the power. Puff girls quote. I was out with my boss and this would be my collazo vice president programming at cartoon network and he goes Gandhi. We might have star Wars Turkovsky said at the two thousand fifteen on C.. International Animation Film Festival. In France the reason for Lucasfilm's interest in an animated series is is an almost perfect encapsulation of the unique relationship that merchandising and creativity have in the Star Wars universe the Prequel who'll based toys manufactured under license by Hasbro. We're not selling well folks credible. According to Gandhi Laszlo told him that quote the the movies didn't do as well and then sells many toys as has were wanted so they kept begging George. We need more content in between the movies. Lucasfilm pitched the idea of an animated needed serious to cartoon network. The initial idea was that the episodes would be one minute long. I said well I would love to do it. But one minute episodes are basically commercials. And so I don't really want to do that. But if we can get at least three or five minutes I could see what we could try and do with charge. Kaczynski told Lisa Grant Shaw at SCIFI DOT COM in two thousand fifteen lucas An Apparent Fan of Samurai Jack Greed. The project went from theoretical to happening very quickly quote. It was one of those things that just kind of happened in conversation. In the next next thing you know they go. Yup You can have more time and you get two weeks to make a presentation so then it's me and the art director Paul Rubbish just kind of freaking out and figuring out what's going to be the style. What are we going to actually do for it? Because they said we just want clone wars so we had to figure all that stuff out in two weeks time. Tarkovsky told Sifi the vaulting show show star wars clone wars debuted in November. Two thousand three. It was the first star wars television series since the E. Walks animated series which ran from nineteen eighty eighty five to nineteen eighty-six series covered events linking attack of the clones to revenge. The prequels prequels basically within prequels Tartokowski and his team team had to stay within the boundaries. Set by the film's while not contradicting anything that might happen. Insists with an edict to keep character arcs and plot progression to a minimum star hours clone. Wars had to depend on action to tell the story his mission statement for Samurai Jack the series which he was working on before clone wars is instructive in this regard as he said at the NC NC Film Festival in two thousand fifteen quote. I always complained about action shows so I go okay. I'm going to do an action show the way I see it stylized visuals rules visual storytelling little dialogue artistry combined with bad ass action and this philosophy would of course carry on to his next project clone wars which even even by. Today's standards is extraordinarily violent. Yeah it's knocks violent. It's pretty wild. It's depiction of warfare. At least to my eye I draws more on news coverage and general cultural awareness of the Iraq war and modern warfare rather than the kind of world were too aesthetic that the prequels is known for drawing on the fighting is grim and urban and desperate crash clone troops pinned down by snipers smart art missiles homing in on targets. The show was produced using mostly traditional animation techniques pen and Pencil and paper which candy prefers clone wars uses is this style to depict space warfare in the air and cities and underwater cities on a titanic scale and the Djeddai meanwhile are almost godlike hot like one can sense influence of the matrix in a standout sequence involving Mace windu. If you've only wash films you might be a little perplexed. By macy's reputation. Mutation as a master swordsman. He quitted himself well in the battle of genus and of course decapitated Django in front of his quote unquote son clone son. A later though some would disagree he basically got owned by palpitation. I mean palace killed his colleagues right in front of him and then Maye duel with him for a while at Basically Twain with them also distracted by Annika who had spent his entire life doubting basically ago in Tartikoff's Ke's clone wars you understand why Mason by extension the SU feared and respected. Mace finds himself surrounded by an entire army. Needs keynotes like when I say Army a whole whole army like I don't know ten thousand battle droids he then proceeds is dispatched to them all by himself. Force hurling them away in vast numbers like they were matchsticks breaking their Chelsea's with punches and kicks six dismantling them with gestures than using the pieces like a storm shrapnel to shred more score upon score of droids. I'm not sure any jet lead. I in a video medium has ever been as powerful as this six minute or so segment of Mace in the original clone. Wars animators I mean. He's just like unbelievable. Delighted by the one-sided demolition a young boy smiling and thankful for the jet is actions to free his planet landed offers me to drink from his canteen may success then proceeds dead serious like twenty miles away it's like he just jumps jumps into the fray which is in the distance and he just like flies twenty miles. It's nuts homeland or ask. It's so crazy crazy. This series introduced several original characters. Most notably assange venturous in general grievous. Yes while do they grievous now in his first appearance in this incredible look exactly the say exactly the same count do happens. Upon the death of Marianne assange venture at gladiatorial arena and noting her talent talent the force he poached her as his apprentice and extended duel between assange and an-and is a particular highlight of her appearance on the show. Grievous I was asked for personally by Lucas before the second season quote he called me to San Francisco. I had lunch with him. We talked about Star Wars and then he wanted me introduced general grievous and it is quite an introduction. The good general cuts through six jet nights with ease. Killing three in sequence. Plays quite like an animated harpen with grievous. Like hanging upside down like a vampire than just appearing out of nowhere fighting them with to light sabers that he holds in his hands and then he holds with his feet. It's the way you hear your hand before. You see 'em or shadow creeps into the frame. It is quite impressive. Several of the voice actors from Star Wars would continue in their roles in the various series and video video games which followed James Arnold Taylor. follows mel on twitter. Now great moment in my life. I followed him first but still Joe's great absolutely nails you and McGregor as you would like to mail your nails you and Macgregor's mellifluous stones and would go on voice obi-wan-kenobi among others in the two thousand eight clenwar series that followed as well as stores rebels. Tom Kaine as Yoda Corey. Burton is count. DUKU would go onto play zero the hut in the clone wars and a few other characters because episodes were briefed the dialogue even for the primary characters was spare. You'd you'd spend more time parking your car than you would going in to do it. I just come in and say man antic etiquette. Why and Aleve? I love it. Star Wars clone wars ran from two thousand and three to two thousand five. The series was a hit for the cartoon network network. The show twice won the Emmy for outstanding animated program of more than one hour for CBS's wanted to end the Emmy for outstanding individual animation for background key designer Justin. Tom Thomson after the series Gandhi. Still Preaching the Gospel of Traditional Two d animation did work in advertising and return to same jack in two thousand seventeen. He since moved onto onto movies with. The hotel Transylvania series next in line. Now you may be asking what about the action figures information. It's hard to come. How `Bout Hasbro of course did capitalize on the success of clone wars by releasing action figures based on the series included a size for interest and it can mace ace? Obi Wan Yoda Duke. Agrees and clone troopers among various others. The idea of a star wars television show see you clone wars. We see rebels. We see resistance assistance. We see the Mandolin. Plying the uncharted waters between star wars movies is something we take for granted now is completely normal and and that is all because of star wars clone wars. Thank you to Anikin and your shirtless sequence with your body paint great stuff thank you for almost having sex with Padma in an alley. They came really close. Hello really close strategic pause there. You know what I'm saying. You great show if you haven't seen this yet you're wondering how you think it sounds great and boy is it. You can undo some very light googling and find your way to a nice handy edited cut of this on Youtube where it's all right there for you in one sitting delightful now I presume you are acquainted with the collection of half truths and hyperbole known as one Kanobi am I well. Let's how to get better acquainted. I would biblically well. Let's help acquaint everyone else before we conclude today's episode poor season seven of clone wars. So soon be eight through eight of our most essential clone wars episode xanax. Lightning round style. Where we're okay okay? So sometimes a single episode sometimes. It's an ARC. Yes number eight. Darth malls return are just stay. cannoned redefining moment tremendous stuff so this covers brothers. Yep and revenge which are the season for pennells episode and Finale Twenty One and twenty two and in an revival the premiere episode of season five his return of previously been teased in monster another outstanding episode season three episode thirteen and in season three episode. Fourteen th which is the most also fucking banger but the return really crystallizes here at the agencies of four and the beginning eating of season five. That's really fully enters the story and new not just as a whisper from tall ZANU or a face. That right vase is looking at 'em I am while that return obviously is precious fodder in our string of nobody who falls down a shaft and star. There's ever really dies bit recurring stores. No one dies true. It's more than a bit here in the sense that his return his presence presence ends up having a incredible footprint and impact on clone wars. I like I like your choice of words their footprint because the the initial sequence of sabotage finding mall on the actual planet of Trash Luther Minor Trash Planet in mothers is stunning. Hang in speaking of that. Footprints Mall built himself. Yeah this is tough a arachnids blake lower torso which seems like it would be more more difficult than just doing the two lakes. We find our guy with the whole operation setup to Lor yes with the aid of a snake companion basically food pray and to his lair vermin various vermin. This is cybernetic spider body carrying carrying him around and his body's on the only thing that has changed of course has mine shades of standards breath. Ian Eating rats breath in the siege of storms and toiling bookbinding. Yes throughout mall and survivor's Ark. We also get tremendous world widening. Laura through the the introduction of Mother tousands restorative expansive Magic Magic aggie including here in revenge higher return. ARC is fueled you'll by his absolutely single minded obsessive burning passion to extract revenge against the hated Obi Wan Kanobi and who half it almost redefines Myopia and we'll get some of the consequences of that when we get to our number one episode massat on our lesson Abed but mall has other aims and other agendas that he's pursuing but everything is all about leads to pursuing his his revenge against Obi Wan this this comes into focus in the episode revenge for gene and Mike Alliance with the new bounty hunter. venturous episode is rife with edge in surprising spunk and some pretty smouldering sexiness honestly when ventures and OBI we one pair up for this dual this battle against wall and press. I don't even know really how to describe. I bet even though our job is to describe things like this on this podcast. There's something almost like forbidden about the appeal of washing. It like you're seeing something you know you're not supposed to see you're not really allowed to see. It's so titillating and scintillating and as we've talked about many times throughout this episode their chemistry together we are invested in obviously goes to Tina's a love story but from a pure sexual charge cards watching Obi Wan adventurous together is just I would urge anyone. WHO's interested to just kind of like Google ventures? Obi Wan dual any of them because the way they fight right it's like often ventures will like take off her likely dealer robe and he again cut through like she'll throw it at him and he'll cut through fours beyond even the metaphors he uses. Love language to talk or clustering dear Dr and like they're just originally flirting with each other and then here in this sequence 'cause he's knocked out she's also there and he doesn't know that at this point and she goes our to wake Evan. She's kind of like this fucking guy too. And when in many Caesar and he says what a lovely sight to a up to be. Don't tell me someone's finally not the fight out on a few wake up then Chris. It looks like I'm here to rescue you. Rented when did you become the good guy himself me with lovely sight to wake up to. Don't flatter yourself Kanobi. You've never been much to look and especially now again. There's no other way to interpret that line. He's making a reference tweaking the morning after you've had sex with them and it's just kind of thrilling waiting to hear him talk this way and then she says don't flatter yourself conovy. This is where she lives meal. You've never been much to look at excuse. She's not she's nagging. This is hot. And he's like Kinda fixing his jaw here which also think of some other things anyway and then. There's the great moment where because his his saber is gone out of his possession at this point. Of course there are always losing their light. Sabers venturous is still on the part of ARC. where she's got her door? Red sabres gives him one and seeing obi-wan-kenobi this bashing of good and light fire on even temporarily rarely a Red Light Saber to thrill my God and he addresses lean into that she says I want that back and he says that's fine. Red's not my caller. Let me tell you something it is. It is Jason. Everything's scholar surprising bedfellows. Surprising allies prizing insights into motivations behind previously two dimensional villains or characters are some of the greatest strengths of the series. And you get just a ton of it here. In revival level we see what the collateral damage of malls absolutely blinkers on blinding quest for vengeance. We'll be in also fascinating palpitations pathogens. Response to his one time apprentice return though the characters in the world can't really appreciate it for what it is. What else is now? Yeah number seven. How these in my feeling number seven? Oh big gathering doing great stuff and a lot of strength season five episodes six and seven Aka where the young lions lightsaber Harry Potter in space. So again plenty else happens here in this arc which extends episode eight rescue including a focused captured by Honda and the ensuing. hijinks that crazy crazy space. Pirate just the join a circus at one point in that. I mean that is wild stuff anyway. Anyway but the heart of this. What cars out? Its lasting place in Star Wars is we get to experience the ritual of Janai Pat Owens the ruin going Neelam and finding their Khyber crystals and then under the care of Mr Levin. Excuse me presser crafting crafting the light sabers then The materials materials that will encase the handle and all of that stuff and then using the force to assemble all of these pieces into the lightsaber that is specifically crafted for them right and it won't work if they don't craft it and if they don't craft it properly so so much of these two episodes are about enhanced understanding not only of the order. The rituals of who you are and the trials on Ilan which again now we have tragic confirmation was turned into office star killer base and then destroyed is just so illuminating in riveting beating each of these young wings faces a test that is ultimately test against not the the frozen doors unit will of course dramatically reveal in time mm-hmm but what are they really facing. They're facing they are facing themselves. It's a proud tradition in star wars. We talked about the data. Que Viva La already when Lucas Facing vader realizes he's actually facing himself. This is a version of that. And when you understand that all I have to go through this. They all have the trials what finding lightsaber and forging it. You know we hear so often that this weapon is your life. What is you have to go through? And what is you have to contend with to get to the point where you had it. And the fact that the crystals we learn call to them yes they each have a different trial they face a different aspect of some sort of fear or limitation inhibition within has to face his fear another has has to face her lack of confidence and other has to face his arrogance. Exactly and it's much like the launch using the wizards that crystal chooses them. The question is can they. Can they reach it. Yeah it's also a great episode arc. Rather for a Soka her growth and transition the young legs look to her as a mentor and I think a great example of her importance within the Jedi order is when they arrive on Ilham. Young Ling's yeah. It is Yoda and soak. Those are the two guts rare for these young links. It's a right of passage that we've never previously got to see and it also makes the tragedy in the temple and can skywalker slaughter of the young Ling's really personal and really tragic. You spent higher kids and understanding that it and it can then kills them all and they worship him they absolutely look to him. As this pinnacle of Janai excellence. What for extremely tough? Look for our guy very very tough. I love these. I just love that. It's tremendous number six loose goodwin too so we are putting together here to season. Six one goals goals that are not. Actually there's a there's one season and then we go into other stuff including including some time with our good refrigerator breaks and Clova and Clovis and we come back right this second exactly so season six opens with four episodes the unknown conspiracy fugitive and this is up this Great Aka the fives inhibitor chip Camino Clone Army Origin Arc. And then we're also putting in this bundle number six. I hear the tenth episode of Season Six standalone the lost one and iconic episode that you talked about in a jet item mall back in the attack of the clones. I think that's how much these episodes shape and firefighters real cannon altering stuff yes. They're separated by two other offices because we just said the clovis and the jar jar Julia but they're connected the first arc centers on clone true. I think about the fact that they knew they only had thirteen episodes. So it's left. And they said what if between the order sixty six stuff. We spent some time with Clovis unbelievable the first arc centers on a clone trooper named top in the midst of a battle air off loses himself walks up to his Djeddai. General did I master tip lar and murders her and cold in plain you of everyone all his brothers everyone. Fives goes with top back to Camino Camino. And they try to figure out what's going on five uncovers the truth about the chip and what the clones have been programmed to do right and the tragedy unfolds from near as he desperately tries to tell people that this is happened. Yes as the propaganda and the lies and deception is. Deception is not only from palpitations camp from the Camino INS. Oh it's a virus. Tumor are all these attempts to maintain the fallacy because at this point in the palpitation do plan. It's almost the end game. And they can't have so many different Trent eight. So many different non palpa teen figures are covering up. The truth is people are different reasons. Yes that's one of the fascinating wrinkles of these opening for episodes of season. Six is that we realized that the cleaners are hi. Ding something from the Djeddai. But they also. Don't you know the truth of it. They're covering it up for players players and in addition to all that to how much this uncovers about the plot it's absolutely essential stretch for understand thinking about the clones humanity so for the fact that they are people with free will and agency and the desire to make choices and be independent and to not be just part of this faceless army this like fists that someone else wheeled and the recognition from fives part. They were robbed that that somebody built them to ultimately deprive them of that free will is devastating and then we lost one. The long anticipated Jed. I'm asked her ciphered. Diaz reveal might eight think of it as the episode that they had to write because there was a Typo scarfed at one point orange. It's great here. We discover Lloyd Tirana's role Semalaysia. Discover Christly it'll be one and and yes in the formation of the clone army and one of our best insights into how teens greatest weapon wasn't just Duku or his own ingenuity but Jiu Jitsu doing. The jet is own moves moves against them. Yes know your enemy and here we get. Maybe Yoda's worst moment in the prequels and in this series writ large crowded field of contenders from our guy. Iota and this is a record setting gold medal-winning show it's very tough. So when and so in the end are presented with over you wanted an anikin coming via hollow right right and they finding right Obi we'll be one an- anna can have discovered that silman right. Who was the right hand man of the former Chancellor Laura's velarde chancellor learn was sent it's with Scifo? Da Susan debt. WHO's dead to the PIKES? As a ride along to squelch again were that was. They kept him. mm-hmm is leverage. All this time right. So the pikes kept silman alive after the assessment for all in all over him silman revealed. It's not just the JED did I. Who are interested in this? Because How do Co. Amazingly did not know so. This is a huge risk to them right. I had no idea that that there was a witness to this. Describe so silman reveals to them that among other things the cith created the clone army. And that Saif. Oh D. S. was killed and possibly impersonated by another sieff. Cu we believed to be count. This shows who then shows us like yeah and eight wrangles swimming in front of all. We wanted to get weather like what. Oh no anyway. They pass on their findings. Yeah Yoda and Mace Windu on Mace. Windy Day Jason. Our enemy created an army for US may says if this was known own public confidence in the war effort the Djeddai and the republic would vanish. There'd be mass chaos and then what is iota say in response to that. Shortly he says says Mace. I hear you but the Djeddai way is about peace and courage and justice right so there's only one thing that we can do unfortunately personally no. Oh cover up this discovering no one. Even the chancellor may know what's why right I iota your sworn enemy self as created in army. Then you were now using recently a member of that army assassinated a general. Can we examine this further. No Okay Hey. Fine is has called for the articles of impeachment. I mean it's it's really his top this month this moment for Iota our guy so fad ads. Rip Fives yes he. He tried to heal. Who against great odds and at great personal risk himself from basically every side sought to tell the truth? Yes what was how. No matter the cost removes. After he's learned about the inhibitor chest surgery on. WHO's it from his own brain because he cannot go forward thinking about the fact that someone else will be able to flip a switch inside of him? It's unbelievable number five. This is not sure ready to talk about this hour. Duchess ivine Obi Wan Intro Tro and a key manned Laurean Plot Expansion Aka the mantle or plot and voyage of temptation season two episodes twelve of and thirteen. Also the Duchess bandler episode. Fourteen is technically part of that arc but those first steps towards plot and voice your temptation. My personal favorite. I've heard of those two are great episode just great episode really insight. Into what makes you tick what his history has been and crucially gives us a window into the culture of Mandala or what's been going on there again. Introduced the death watch key figures like previously Prime Minister Almac and and Merica introduced in these episodes as well and this is essential stuff now that the mandatory in television show is part of our lie. So much of what we're calling on. As we assess the current events unfolding that have come from this sit-ins pacifist regime. It's this elemental insight into the different political approaches and principles that guide people and places so often we talk about the a republic and the separatists. Or if we're in another part of the Star Wars Timeline we talk about the rebellion and the empire higher or the resistance and the first order always talking about one side or the other but their legions of people who want nothing to do with it and want to carve their own way forward in the way they see it. Don't want someone else making the choices for them about how they and their people should live their lives. And as you noted earlier teen has a couple primary functions in the show show obviously the one that we respond to the most firstly as the relationship with Obi Wan Lemon many ways that political aspect is as important to the overall overall themes of the show and the story but nothing really matters more than everyone and learning about their history and their relationship and seeing them together it it is really truly whether or not you are in love with Obi Wan or whether or not you ship them. It really is just unambiguously one of the best surprises in the show. The purest delights in the the entire on I mean they are in love now. We should say because we spent a lot of time over the course of Benjamin Star Wars saying. Oh Be Fox and we wanted to teen clearly fucked doc. We listeners to we specify that this is our head Catena. There's no heaven moly implied. I mean it is candid. They are in love with each other jettas. She says it's all said and he tells her that in the these episodes right here that he left the order for her. So that's cannon leap that we have made that they consummated that enjoyed cannon during Obi Wan's previous stint unmanned lowering the civil war when he was protected I really i. I really think it's a listen. They were at that time they would have been like teenagers. And it's clear that that Hap- yes also if you explore ob ones wider cannon. And I'd love to cheat Keith. Sorry Isaac his legends. Can't he has other love interests across his legends can't on and you know his sexuality and his romantic side of definitely just a part of his character. Anyway here we see that they have this history that they loved each other in the past ask they still do and most crucially that the respective paths that they took her commitment to rebuilding Sandler after the civil wars that adorn the planet apart his commitment to his jet. I douse the jet. I way of life drove them apart and that they have both in their own way. Hey regretted it and been defined by it ever since the epigraph at the beginning of the Mandala plot is if you nor the past you jeopardize the future and we we feel in these episodes in so many ways. Yes we feel that the Galaxy the Republic the relationships we prize the choices. We make this that holds true with all we wanted to teen in particular their attraction and love is such a vibrant and potent. And it's a third said playful. It starts so much of that like almost middle school energy. Yeah you kind of bicker with somebody who you have feelings foreign don't really know how to express the shillings keys and needles needles in. Oh absolutely lights there it is just wonderful. It's playful so when you get something like when she rescues him on the moon after he really doesn't nearly die but then they have to kind of take turns rescuing each other because these are fighting previous law and he says like he has that great moment where we don't really think of him as being boastful and he's like mine was the more daring of the to rescue city. It just like wants to kind of show off. And then you know the moment in the middle or pied contain when he comes into other on their a pleasure yacht I J- I love a pleasure. So yes the Duchess is being transported with public and she says senators. I presume you're acquainted with the collections of half truths and hyperbole notice. Ob One good one. I'd love a veteran character and their relationship and we see it too in the way she even begins to interact with in here. She's completely unafraid. To call anybody out even someone she's very fond on what she perceives as bullshit. So there's the great moment where Obi Wan and Anikin or trying to basically defend fanned the way that the jet I currently practice and talking about how you have to sometimes be violent in order to maintain the peace because she's taking umbrage with their characterization accusation as peacekeepers and she the way she says. What an amusing contradiction to the way that they describe their own work? It's just blissful this is also you oh you love this you have to talk about this comment so so sometimes certain actions are playful. But sometimes they're just genuinely seem very zero sincerety moving out so at the end of tation and that whole episode. I mean there is an actual plot that are trying to uncover with barrick politically. The actual politics is is quite intricate and really well balanced because again Cetane is playing a very delicate strategy here where she needs to maintain her independence from the republic in order to maintain the goodwill of for people but she also needs their support while fighting off this the violent insurgency that death watches is trying to deploy on the plane and the Republic has concerns about what's unfolding and developing their that. She initially does not even want to except I wonder if she can handle it on her own. And Jeez like regardless of whether I can or can't if you guys come in I lose the planet right. It's like there's a lot of politics. Let's accept play. And so when they bring her back to correspondent barely dodging assassination attempts. Along the way fucking Merrick. There's this moment where they are parting at at the end and this was the alterly- reunite in the next episode. But she puts her hand on his face to say goodbye and says I'm still not sure about the beard and the way that he responds. He's like kind of chuckling. This is why he's almost embarrassed but he's also like clearly into it and that kind of physical interaction with her. What's wrong with it? It hides too much of your handsome face again. Wrong disagree helix fabulous but it's just such a tender little and then there are moments that's what they share that move beyond tennis into being genuinely overwhelmingly moving like when she is at gunpoint in is merrick's hostage and she confesses her love him because she's not sure that she's going to have another chance. She thinks she might die and he initially bristles hardly the time Barris. He's uncomfortable he has to face his motions and then she gives him that. Look like are you seriously gonNa tell me that you love me motherfucker. And then he does all right had you. He said the word I would have left the jet I order and hearing obi-wan-kenobi the person who in a new hope is the one who introduces us to what the force is to what the Jedi order means to joining it represents it stink credible to hear that and then there's the fact that we're not the only ones who were seen this anikin has to and it can getting being a window into his master's personal histories life's and loves. There's a moment where after witnessing their interactions in a hallway way he says it's obvious surely that would affect your decision. Oh it did. I live by the jet. I Code of course as master. Yoda says Jed. I must not form attachments. Yes but he usually leaves out the undercurrent of remorse devastating mazing staw number floor. Yoda's concluding Arc Holy Shit in which we get to watch iota. Go into the maw of the yeah where it all started for them voices destiny and sacrifice the final three episodes of season six and the clone wars to date minus the legacy. The extras great. Yoda action we see him. So calm in the face of what feels like overwhelming danger and you will which is really needed in a series where? He's doing a lot of meditating and then when he's not meditating is making some really iconic bad addison. What he knows her here? You can feel every step of the way that it's something that would break almost anyone else. They would the fear the you kind of rage that would well up the need to fight back up all of that Iota resists with aplomb yes. There's this beyond the the Yoda character-building factor just this injection of pure mythology that we a few times rather series but really got here that that is also serving as essential gap filling and setup for key events that are to calm leader in the Canon chronology including laying the groundwork or for why. Yoda ended up in exile. Dago we see here. That's because quite gone sent him to that planet. How yuna learned to become a four discussed how he was granted the pathway to that power the sequence you know you mentioned the kind of assuredness the confidence before we get at that point with iota here we see doubt crippling doubt? You know the sequence where he is hearing voices speaking to him calling him and is not sure if if he can trust what is happening is not sure if you can trust himself if you can trust his own mind there's a you know the syntax of it because it's the ODA makes me mable but the idea is really kind of debilitating losing my mind. I am not he's implant. You'll he's undergoing hospital tasks medical exams and one of the really affecting parts. Parts of this is seeing how all of the other jet who revere Hanya Worship Him who hold him to a standard that they don't think anyone else can meet almost considering him infallible. Well here questioned him entirely mace. Even Obi Wan can we trust Yoda. And what he is experiencing. And that's a kind of a destabilizing thing to witness and the irony of courses in this moment of surprising vulnerability in frailty who does he turn to Mannequin skywalker. One person who has consistently bucked write the orders question Shen things wondered why certain things done certain ways why because in that moment he needs an outside perspective he needs a thinker. Needs someone miserable breaker. There has questions these rules that the jet I live by. If you are a mid chlorine hater these are probably not after pills for you but if you want to learn more about them and how they give rise to the forest harnessed how the fourth itself is embodied by them then and this is essential viewing. Yeah also the DAGOBA sequence is haunting realizing Yoda's version of the Cave of evil events that haunted luke was seeing in order. Sixty six show unfold and the Djeddai fall under his watch. There's this whole loosen Tori equality to what he's saying this kind of hazy fuzzy aspect to it that really is almost the only thing you can hold onto about it. This idea that he can perceive the specifics and also that as we we always hear from him and others the future is on fixed. It is moving and that that is of course the reason he would have thought that that didn't have to be the path they move toward but at the end of the day he winners sorta sixty six and he didn't do anything about it and that's a tough thing to ultimately reconcile and then his ensuing trip to the wellspring of the force. This is like a gorgeous burgess visual sequence his interaction there with the five priestesses and what they represent and the tasks. They're going to put him to their unleash on him. This slew of new fresh trials that challenge the very fundamental nature who. Yoda is of who the Jed eye are of. What being jed had I master being aligned with the light means whether jet I stand for what they should be proud of? And what in that. Pride their failure failure and Yoda's failure here in these trials to recognize what is unfolding into recognize palpitations. Very particular and specific hand at play will ultimately lead to and then we get to the core submission. The pursuit of immortality Gilda travels to the home world more bend grade episode encounters Darth Bane Bane voiced by non under him. All he is tested visions. He displays. Courage it has it all. It's Yoda's version of the MORTIS ARC. That yes absolutely crucial to Anikin character development and that he endures season. Three is a key missing piece. We needed for IOS evolution. His trial against the dark. His quest to become worthy of secrets is failure coupled with this achievement number three. This is Great Shit here. You just mentioned it. Yeah the more Sark. So so this is overlords altar of mourners and ghosts of more episode fifteen sixteen and Seventeen of season three absolutely tremendous television television. It's essential clone wars but beyond that it's just essential star wars so among the most important parts of antigens character development and Arkan the entire story and by entire story we mean and all of Star Wars not just clone worse it is absolutely revelatory elemental cannon expansion. Much like the dark. We just talked about when it comes to to understanding the force understanding the very idea of balance of dark and light and the role of choice and destiny. Is your future determined. Has someone else or something else. decided if we're you or do you get to decide what life you're gonNA lead. And of course we want an Asaka our air with him by his side. That's really the troika at the heart the series it's a reminder of how key those bonds are are and how heartbreaking is when they are torn apart yet they do not leave his side. They won't faith in him nor he them. Absolutely mortis the mystery box force. Nexus contains call the father the daughter and the son who are not only directly connected the force in the idea of balanced. But who are in the father's this case pursuing anikin because he is the chose yes a specific standen for maintaining balance and using Anikin in that way and as a pawn upon essentially in the larger game magic mind games the force they all work and and the people who are playing them in highly mysterious. There's ways in these episodes. The real master stroke of this arc is that amid the visions amid the tests. The most powerful for supplies is ultimately mannequins not just ability to fight and persevere but his friendships his heart those forces in his life that humanity which the Assan basically the worst case counterpart that is presented. There has lost entirely the daughters sacrifice. Is Shattering stuff. Offend the Lakers. Answer between the daughter and soak is crucial precursor for the powers on display rise of skywalker to a really like this is unbelievable. Heart heart palpitations sequence. Kinda can't believe you're watching yet. So ghosts of Mortis yes. The Sun shows anikin his future. Yep His path to becoming ooh Lord Darth vader the death and destruction the pain that he will cause APP. And then you hear obi-wan shout you were my brother Anikin Mannequin literal literal. Your tracks shits slake the hair on your neck. We'll stand up and we hear Antica shout. I hate you. Snippets of course of what we know is have and it can is so dismayed that he aligns with the son to try and avoid disputes. Yes and this is obviously so so fascinating because it is a deeply troubling glimpse into a future that we know will actually unfold. And so then you ask this key question and it's a fundamental on it any fantasy story. What role does predestination play in? This is truly sad insight into what Anna can win still at this point more light and good than anything else wanting to protect people wanting to avoid. He's just seeing what he would do and what he would give up to not allow that to happen. Which is just tragic to think about given what we know will actually happen but also because all of this is about give and take push and pull the fact? He thinks he can make a choice like that gets to the heart of the aspects of his personality and his disposition that allow allow to think he can always control the outcome. Sorry you will not understand what I have to do to end clone war. We'll try to stop me on akin why we return to a realm of choice and consequence because Yup tragically amazing. The father plucks those memories and insights from mannequins mind. Why do you say tragically? I'm curious 'cause I found myself grateful for it because it reminded me a bit of what we talked about so often with. Brand at the end of game of thrones spoiler game of thrones like. Can you be trusted to lead. If you know what's coming whether it's about yourself for somebody else. And then I found myself grateful for the fact that Anikin was put back in a position where he could make decisions in his life without knowing where they might lead him even if they ultimately ended up in the same place. It's I think it's just you know by that time. You're you grow so fond of him and his struggle and it's like you just want that thing that will snap him away from what no is going to happen. I know that will just be that gut check of him realizing that something that he is doing is leading him this way. I know his natural instincts as pure and as right as they are are leading into this place. So he's gotTa stop doing something. That is right eight but I think one of the really brilliant parts about the episode. Is that a positions at as avoiding. That looks like something totally unrecognizable from his life. So what is a choice like that even mean then. If in order to circumvent that outcome you have become the Sun. This other thing. You're you're held hostage pitch basically by fear over who really are. And that's not a way to live either and of course this is just all you know at the heart of the tragedy Vandyken Skywalker the father's sacrifice and the son's eventual death off cap. On your daggers. Listen but there's no end to the impact. This experience has and again or on US says viewers. It's a mystical and really magnificent sequence. It's also beyond the mythical mythological explorations expert for shattering that so maintains a degree of hoping agency. which is it's like an incredible balance to strike? Monroe is talking about balancing here. We see it tremendous stuff. Check it out. If you haven't number two a kick to the fuck in heart. The wrong Djeddai the season five finale which concludes a four episode arc about a Soka being being framed for the bombing at the temple. Corazon I think we both agree that actually a lot of the elements of that four episode arc actually fall kind of short because it is so infuriating so mad any to dodge the Djeddai it crumble and behave in that way and that's a great point because usually listen there. There are a lot of things that are calibrated. Just so that could at times be maddening. In and there's a lot of things that happen over the course of the clone wars where it's like order sixty six is about to the be discovered but then someone dies or thereabouts. Figure out that Sipho D. as in the fifth manipulate and then silman is killed and this is kind of like those episodes are where that kind of thing just goes a little bit. It's what you always talk about these episode very emblematic of when you you live long enough to become the thing you hey us right and the doing that in the stretch. Yeah but none of that in any way diminishes what it leads to county absolutely absolutely gorgeous and devastating season finale which is is in the running certainly for the best Colin wars episodes of all time and one of the great things about it is a a series that goes on as long as this did six seasons to date so many characters. They're able to bring in different elements and this is a courtroom drama it. It is an absolute courts Shirley up the courtroom procedural gives way to a massive moment of agency for a soco which is emotionally devastating in its consequences for anti breaks breaks heart crushing veer indictment of the Myopia of the Jedi. Order in the kind of institutional stasis ACIS yes that that organization has undergone yes and this is the episode where the order and leaves Anikin after being wrongly accused in persecuted and expelled from the order. And then because Anna can never gives up on her this entire tax stand by her. And there's there's like an unlikely team up between Socha ventures a lot of stuff unfolds Paris's betrayal etcetera anikin never leaves her side and refuses to give up and fights and fights and fights until he finds the truth conventionally she is then welcomed back in like oh we fucked up and she s what. She's not I'm out and it's a real moment of dissidence as viewer where you want her to stay day. Because you know what leaving means but you also know that. She's making the right choice proud of her for finding the courage to do something that a lot of these other characters couldn't find the way to do in in that fashion. She just has arrived at the point. Where after experiencing this plenty of other things along the way but this was the decisive event she can? Yeah no longer serve something that she doesn't fully believe in or trust anymore and it is a really really really heartbreaking snapshot of loss and doubt and fear and shame and the consequences of the people or things that you rely on and life leading you down the capstone sequence of this episode of the best one of a singular scenes in the entire series beautifully animated aided gorgeous the shadow so focused leaving. Anakan is chasing her suing her outing. Her name the genetic orders your life. You can't just throw away like this. You're making a mistake. Maybe but after sort this out on my own without the council without you. It's we're talking about like how young she is here like. This is a courageous stance for someone who's dedicated their entire life to this organization. And is he's still really young to me like I'm going to strike out on my own. Forget this it's an amazing moment. And so is the most singular moment understanding what they ever share. I understand more than you realize. I understand wanting to walk away from the order. Kills me. She says I know she really. She spent more time with him than anyone and she gets who he is. He understands the doubts that he had and the struggles. Es had the way that she she's walking away at this point she's made up her mind and the way that she looked kind of looks back at him as she sang. I know and then the the the expression on his face because think about how much of his life is about basically feeling misunderstood whether that's justified or not is almost irrelevant. This is a moment where he feels seen clearly by somebody he actually respects and values and loves and they've never had a detail conversation about say pad I may Soka is incredibly close to it spends a lot of time with two words I know. Tell US basically everything mouse. What a Soco understands his life and the sacrifices that he's made and the choices that she probably knows he should have made instead? And what happens after this is like this is like losing the breaks in the car. Yeah it's an outlander to your life and your humanity after this. There is nothing to Moore Anikin rights when that final break losing breaking up with him because of the way he behaved with Clovis well justified but when you think about the impact of Sohka's exit ultimately on Atkins Fall. It's just again when we talk about. What clone wars gives us at the PREQUELS didn't this this is like so emblematic of what we mean? It's just an absolute. It's not even it's an oversimplification. Say It's a key. dominoes aren't Domino's this you know it's the whole will the board everything connects in this way and it's also of course it's not just about Anna about Soco. Who By this point in the story you were immensely ensler invested? Ns as her own character her own person. This is about when you have watched grow like you said from a child lose her face in the thing that she is invested her her entire life in. It's absolutely devastating. And we realized you know this going in having seen the prequels but did the jet. I've lost crystallizes that and it's probably that conversation between them in her. Walking away is probably the second nine only best but saddest moment in the series and it just so happens that even though much of the show is about action enjoy the two best moments you best episodes are devastatingly sad and that gets us to today's number one number one. The lawless season five episode sixteen eighteen then the conclusion of three episode mall taking over Mandal or ARC. But it's also it stands alone as a signature episode and and it completes a kind of along gated arc. That's been taking place yes as soon as we were introduced to such a teen in the new manned Lornia in the duchess in season two and mall hinted at three. I mean it's the highlight of that arc. It's the highlight of season. It's the highlight of the entire series. Do Watch the piece of teen worked so hard to foster crumble. As the Mandolin people fall under the spell of Death Watch who in conjunction with mall has worked to stabilize is the numale lured regime so that previously can say the numale owners have failed. We need to return to the old ways. I am the leader that can take us into the future. It's one of those moments where you have like the troubling real WorldCom's start to enter for you and you think about the hypnotic quality that an actual leader or just a puppet regime can have. It's it's very troubling. And in the midst of malls power play Amanda Lower and him forging the shadow collective previous SLA trying to actually make powerplant landlord. These plots are basically united deliberately on both sides with each of them knowing they're gonNA turn on each other so they're unified but there are also at odds are a lot of machinations and subtleties play their the dark sabor plays a massive role book. Thanh plays a huge role which is obviously important moving forward and your boy. Palffy plays a quieter on awesome. Es He senses that his former apprentice is alive and go can't ignore it anymore. Can Ignore Name Goes Demand Lor challenges him and pretty casually with these whoops the ass of so vase and mall and of course smells for salvation getting and of course. This is the episode where we and Obi Wan I'm like God the Dushan sitting who dies in. Ob One's arms after Mall Juniors. Obi Wan to Mandel order or to torment torture his nemesis four-stroke sixteen and then stabs her the worry at the moment of her death. We at the moment of her call for help. This episode is just so jam packed with jewels of goodness and despair she's imprisoned. She knows that she is spacing death and she only thinks one person become safer. And it's one this is both incredibly moving and and crushing because that is of course whatever was counting on it is a trap to lure him there and part of what happens in this episode. You know we think of it as the lead Tina bestowed again everything Mitch About Mall. Albie Death Watch them into Lorient's there's also the Jedi order in the republic to think about because when her hologram comes through another in essence helped me. Obi Wan Kanobi my only hope Hologram that he has to watch and the the agony plan on his face as he sees this person that he loves in distress stress. And what are the jet. I say they do not give the okay to you. Can't you can't and we're not helping you. And that is devastating. Feeling feeling for him and for us they're neutral. They're not in the war and watching across the season. The episodes the moments where decisions about who to help and win are made not by the pure moral guidance of somebody being in need but by the political ramifications involved in the war again. It's when the jet. I become very thing that they think. They're fighting. And it's a heartbreaking end infuriating moment because the are well aware of the internal politics politics and the reasons for manned Lords Neutrality They understand why Duchess team has taken the stance which is necessary for her to maintain her her hold on the government also when a man's someone in mandatory enormous attacking one of their ships. They're up there in a second asking about it and so it is rather infuriating. See them now in this moment. Be like well right. Sarah neutral rights. It's maddening bought. One breaks the rules. Crucially that does not stop. He goes to you her aide when she calls upon him and what does that. Boil down to basically he's acting as anikin would and it's despite the tragic ALCOM. Oh come pretty thrilling. To Watch acting impulsively. He's acting purely following his heart instead of his orders and it is it is genuinely incredible to watch it unfold. It really is I do my own bidding. He says when he opens her jail cell in rescues her and he looks so pleased so proud of himself. And it's painful on rewatch because you know that arp she's minutes away from dying when she embraces him and hugs him in that moment the look on his face the way like tosses back his hair and smiles and kind have is gonNA fight it a little bit but then gives in and just holds her in there just for a brief moment in time even with this destruction Shen looming. They're just together each other's arms and their love and it's really really really lovely and wonderful he despite telling ventures that right isn't his color looks really great wearing feel furred delorean armor of the mandatory and guards who stayed loyal to mall after the schism with the original the Jason. He looks so hot. Insane is hair longer accused flipping the red the black the outfit. It's just so sexy it's great and there is a brief moment where it appears that they've made it away scot-free the at Aachen and they can maybe build some kind of life together figuring out but then of course mall captures them as we said where's teen in front of will be one for shook Sir makes will be one watch her suffer and then kills her mall doesn't care about mantle or the shadow collective plot matters to him yes but manslaughter is just kinda in a chip in the game. He's doing all of this. All of all of this to get back at OBI WAN understands. He's watching the love of his life. Die And he knows does it and he knows it's happening because of him he was the bait and now she and her pain is the cultural and it's agonizing to watch early as him recognizing why this is is happening to her and a really fascinating moment in the episode occurs when Obi Wan basically gets the kind of dark side recruitment pitch that we expect Anikin Anikin alone to hear now obviously an attack of the clones. We hear Duke say. Hey you want to join me but this is different because it hinges on what obi one is feeling you should should have chosen the dark side. Master Djeddai your emotions. Betray your fear and yes your anger. Let your anger deepen your hatred. Fear anger the emotions pulsing from him so fully that the person who was standing on the opposite side is calling them out to him in order to try to goad him. That's not the OB when we think of it all you know that kind of vulnerable horrible raw emotion. Lack of control is something we associate fully with Anikin but it's really compelling here because it's what ultimately is human in relatable unreal real and that is really the power of the moment and then she dies in his arms mall stabs her with the dark sabre she falls it we once feet and the way he runs to her God picks her up cradles. Her arm. Brushes her hair back from her face. Looks into is is really a heartbreaking death it's crushing and then with her dying breath she reaches out touches his face God the way that he closes his eyes only has his face into her hand for a second. The idea that would be one. Who loved you? Face is a holter kisses her hand and then she dies. It is so much and Guy Why did this happen and a incredible encapsulation of of like the emotional heft that this series yes meal emotional you care so much? Because you're that Davis it's a series in which you know what are going going to happen to the main characters in this series can still Gut Punch you. I mean it's amazing that she it's a it's a great point the way that he just looks so distraught and totally broken. I mean he obviously finds a way to fight on and continue forward but this is a defining moment in his life and for the show and his Grecia briefest so clear and unmistakable. That Mall relishes in it. He loves taunts him and he says energized by it right. He knows that killing. Ob wanted that. That's no fun at has not even we're not even chorus and of course that's the only thing he's wanted this whole time but he knows that the real death is the one that he just delivered. It's a life without Soutin for ob one so when survivor says do we kill him now. Brother Mall Says No imprisoned below let him drown in his misery free and they have to like pull him away. His body's basically lifeless really sad it's showcase for the destructive capacity of hate smalls hate and now the perfect tool for my vengeance is in front of us and planned on killing you but I would make sure you share my bean conovy the carnage and the heartache. He causes says because he can't accept what. Ob wanted to write can't Lecco. It is really showcase for the depth in law that united. Ob he wanted to teen and the kind of life that they were deprived of because of the choices that they made in their failure ultimately find a way forward together in any insomnia that is is not lacking in heartache. This really stands out as a true true tragedy remarkable. It's a great episode Jason. Jason Yes when your jet I master you can make the plan until then every episode will be honoring a character archer. Who rallied the troops advance the cause and today the winner of our Clone Wars Edition Medal of bravery is of course the Anikin a Soka? Ob but just an incredible character debuting in this show a Soka and the way her relationship with antic in matures. Moore's him is one of the highlights of the scary sky. Guy snips Mel's darling. Ob One level so much of clone wars source but this trio and their mutual mutual bond there shared bond is truly the emotional heart of this show yes and Anikin of course is the primary figure even among the trio. WHO's at the very very center of that you know one of the great delights of clone wars is getting to know and admire the Anikin that the prequel so often failed failed to yes present us? We see him lead. We see him excel as a general energy missions. We see that roguish stubbornness that improvisational spirit. Spirit that make him so willful. On so individualistic. We see the awe that he inspires in so many other people but we also see his heart part before it leads him astray. We see had made question him and them struggle rush. Clovis where you at. We see. He puts a beating on clothes. Guy Advocate literally. Almost murdered rush with his bare hands tells a look for my guy. Clovis Clovis whose like fight me like a man without your strikes against him curbs make mistakes sir. We see Yoda confide. An can't say hey help me get outta here. We see so much from so many different relationships Simpson interactions and choices that broadens. Our understanding of anti kids were worth and his sense of self and of the journey that he's onto that I point that he's about to continue on we see his respect for the J. Order. Ns fierce love that he s for the people in his life from Padma into a soaker to open one before for that love and desire was twisted and turned irrevocably toxic. It makes his fall all the more tragic and we can better appreciate how far or he did fall. And more than anything. That hinges on recognizing the power of the relationships he shared with OBI WAN and a Soco. Yes on the OB. One tip. And I would won't be on the ambiance God next. I'm sorry Mallory on the tip. All we won straddled Sir topping next Tom kaine narrator. Yeah Eh I honestly. That's a thing that I do it for my love it. It's tough when you then resume watching rebel. Yeah I miss it you miss it and akin is still of course atkin which means that. He is fiercely independent. He doesn't like to listen to what anyone else says. He doesn't fall in line but their respect for each other and it'll be one as master and apprentice and his two fellow jet. I N generals who were out there all the time side by side. They have this playful competitiveness in most crucially of all they have it really really really sincere affection for each other and it is it is just clearer here and more fully realized here than anywhere else in the Canon. Something Lake like their discussion about eighteen and pad may during the season. Six Clovis arc that we were just joking about you. Know a moment like hearing OBI wan say a two anikin. It's not that we're not allowed to have these feelings. It's natural is like a freshest precious gift that were not provided with elsewhere in the story and because we get moments like that and we get so many of them are just makes it all the more crushing when you reflect on those two characters could not find a way forward together her despite that love for each other. They've really had more in common than they were always able to see an outstanding job of highlighting that on the front we get to see a side of Anikin. We never saw the leader the teacher and mentor not the BRATTY. No it all patio on. But the guide their their shared growth in ambition and apprehension and the crushing story altering weight of Soka leaving legit I N in behind after the institution failed. Her alters our understanding of antic in more than any other clone wars heartbreaking shit devastating devastating on their own. All all three of those characters are marbles and Akhund is the consummate chosen. One of the show is Sassy and inventive hero. He so when you want to watch and invest and OBI WAN and smooth ellos are cast charmer handsome again. A fear general a cherish leader a lover we get to see the whole new aspect of his character. A SOKA OHKA is this whip smart prodigy who asked tough questions doesn't just want to buy into the bullshit and we're going to be a lot more time in an upcoming episode to her and her arc but together they form the beating heart of these six seasons. They're not always the primary focus. We spent a lot of time with other characters on other aspects of the story given the scope an ambition at the show but they always remind us as individuals and specifically together. What was worth fighting for when everything everything was working and then what we in the characters really lost when it fell apart wonderful France? We've seen the guy who will stand in the way of peace just as we've been telling US Glands Akram are indispensable producing researcher. Still we hope you had as much fun as we did today that you're as excited as we are to hop beck into the speeder. Continue to explore the galaxy with us and they will join us again next. Time is the binge mode star wars adventure continues. Tell Dan remember. Do Control your proteges in silence so we can concentrate loins inflamed by the loss now they ruin sits to record the clone wars episode of Binge Mode Star Wars and while talking about her love and Obi Wan Kanobi she is overcome by passion. What will happen next five notes now?

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215: Action Boyz - Rapid Fire (w/ Ben Rodgers, and Ryan Stanger)

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215: Action Boyz - Rapid Fire (w/ Ben Rodgers, and Ryan Stanger)

"This is a head gum podcast. I sit heads. Welcome back to another episode high and mighty. It's me your boy boy. The number one dog tangled in the microphone cord fuck boy Johnny g joining me as always in the high and mighty studios my nearly silent Co host Arthur Gabor's art. They're slightly less silent host chain Rogers Jane Kim Shout joining me. Maybe I haven't been on in a long time but they were early on in high and mighty years major recurring guests. I got the Action Boys Ryan stagger and ban Rogers Yo what's up shit head to to to to what shit heads what Fam- The crew is in the house and the reason you guys are coming back on high and mighty for this special intro to previously recorded episode is we're giving out an episode of Action Boys for free. Oh Mama said don't do that. Mama told us no but we're unlocking an episode of Action Boys for the shitheads yes so if you are a high and mighty listener and and have not joined on action boys yet. 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Yeah I mean it's not really caused plates more like kink play and you have someone just point a gun loaded with blanks at you but it's it's it's sex positive and like it's fun and and sexual yeah it's like for whoever like you just gotTa bring a gone. I provide the blanks because I don't trust. Oh Yeah. You have to load those when you're doing gun play in bed. You have begun yourself. I even let I even make sure like I checked the Lube job before I let anyone put it inside me. You know like I'll make sure that the lubes on I'll definitely taste the lube yeah you guys are always telling me that the devil's in the details you WANNA get gun fucked by ranger. You GotTa make sure it's dabbles. I always say man you're right the devils in the details a lot of people out shadowed. Maybe maybe this is a good time. If you haven't upgraded shadow wolves where you can ask us some questions go ahead and do that if you're into that sort of thing <hes> it'll blow your minds. 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It's one hundred dollars a month and if we find anyone ripping on him in the comments were fucking coming after you at this point it's hacked to make fun of Jepson Yeah Yeah A- and where the kings of hack and we're not even going beyond beyond the Pale so fuck all of you this the end to devils in the details kink faming paycheck dot com slash Qing Feng Gerald thought I mean a couple of things ran through my mind the weird overlap of this movie and the Chinese politics along with the trade war which is currently early underway. It's really oddly Zeitgeist in a weird way depression and the most Asian character actor like there's like twenty boys favor. There's so many action boys overlaps yeah. There's a a lot of recurring characters because every every Asian character actor ever from the nineties is in this fucking the vice president the vice president from sudden death to both people from southern day and if it can be told me a year ago when we started this podcast that we would have done like five movies with powers boothe believe you growing on me I he's particularly good in this and and his character is written like hot garlic movies like very poorly written. I somehow love it. I the action is amazing. I will say that the fight Corey fight choreography is fucking banging in this movie and then more guns than I remembered I thought he more largent's but there's so many different cool where it doesn't even make sense and it's like who cares. Let's shoot up. Every place. Why does every bag is a different gun since weird thing to where I like so I watched this same? I watched it when it came out. Maybe went through a phase where we rented it a few times but has not popped up for me in anywhere near my adult life at all so I couldn't remember really anything from it and what struck me was. The martial arts cool like it's cool interesting stuff and there's this weird thing where they don't. They're not precious and how they shoot it so it's like really like utility style like him. Just fucking bussing acid interesting as Jackie Chan creative and entertaining he throws the rag at the guy and makes like the noise to scare the guy and then hits him like when he slides and kicks the table so that's through the fuck in banners yes one of the trailer moment trailer the trailer moment of him kicking the table sold me on the movie because this this was the era when V._H._S. had trailers yes and and I remember this was a heavily promoted. V._H._S. was in a lot of Van Damme and Seagal. I gotTa get rapid fire and I loved it then at first but somehow didn't work itself into like it wasn't on T._v.. Laws it wasn't on heavy rotation in basic cable. It's not an H. B.. O. Movie might be too extreme it is it is a busy movie. It's very forced to all the a lot of like weird exposition lines. Were it's like hey this is me. This is my background dwelt. That's your story literally literally. He's like withers my number one intelligence agent and she here my intelligence agent L. and you are attracted to men for that guy. He's also not like I think he's a quarter Chinese bruce. Absolutely Bruce Lee was half German half Chinese but I wouldn't know that I thought he was all all full. Chinese and Brandon was half but I could be yeah I mean that's one of those things I meant to look up before <hes> and I'm just basing it on eighty nine. The guy's not fully make a very big deal out of his Chinese heritage and like a lot of like racial remarks about him. I was you know who's like like Oh. These cops are dirty dirty. These guys are racist right anyone who says something like all right. He wants to order Chinese food. Do you like this guy needs to digest clearly a bad guy. Good Kaku Racist Not Crooked Wow this movie doc is that powers would also be an older exist also brandon Lee fucking shredded as stop would have been a fucking superstar. He's he would have been a super gigantism thing under whatever he's got going on with his cheek and his horse yeah he's like a big Mac tonight face on hold saying too many teeth right his whole head shooting thrown into it though and like I think that's a thing for like heroes is to let me start big head the big east and he's a tiny guy yeah but his moves are awesome any kid kind of deliver a joke better than most and he's American yeah. He's he's getting there. He would've got there like this. You can kind of these crows straight up good. Yes this one. He's got some charisma. Everybody's a little stiff in this movie suffers from like I don't know once in this movie where they are like city wise. He's he's on a plane and they're like you could go back to your palm tree and I'm like where's he from things he's from L._A.. His Dad was like a Chinese diplomat like blurry kind of U._C._i.. Randomly Kit Randomly Cares about his dad's history for one scene. They moved the there's a lot of DADS stuff. This movie features a lot of weird agit too much to the point when like his voice relationship with powers boothe were like powers boothe wants to tell me the love Sousse like they've been with this guy win win. Why didn't you tell them? I can't do something like that. I mean even like clearly. He's supposed to say I love you because that's a big deal. How hard is it to be like? Hey Man I like you said it's like a pussy who can't muster up the courage to like tell his girlfriend loves. I'm falling in like with something I said to. This is actually a girl. She was like I love you. I'm falling in like with. I couldn't say I was like I have to get. I can't lie to this girl really like you. Hey I want you to know I really really like you. I really like you and shit. I'm just like really like falling in like with you and shit and just I like dude. You're really cool and shit and like I like you but like I really like you a really awesome body and shit and I like how I feel with you and shit. I was single for awhile and that fuck and Suck Dick and shit. I like you and shit before we get to into the movie. How is this charactered jake low? How how is he good at martial arts in every way his dad was a martial arts master that trained C._I._A.? Agents is choice year. They said that the guys at Langley Doing Langley training twice a year I mean they throw in to be as good as he is and he would have to be keeping it up and also he has extreme weapon straight and he knows how to fire. Try Try to make a big deal of him like like Oh my God I shot a gun but it does feel kind of like the Tuxedo or some shares his movies were somebody suddenly get superpowers one minute after he's like Holy Shit I shot a gun is where he's sprinting shirtless doing hurdles with a silenced pistol in Chicago. Why not just keep it in L._A.? They want to go for L._A.. Supposed to be like a Chicago neighbor when it's Franks race house it's like the palm trees drive why not just make take place say one of the mob but the market could just say go to the fucking show. Why did they decide that they picked picked for another couple of repeats in Goon from last boy scout is is the number to Toronto and then our main guy is the C._I._A.? Rat in under seed. Oh my God. It's so much shit going on. Also this movie like last boy scout features the line. He broke my fucking nose a lot. I was thinking that's action movie thing. I was GONNA say how many movies I want to see this. I know there's the super cut of get out of there. I WANNA see the super cut of in my fucking nose broke. My Fuck knows it's in this multiple characters several times exactly and the dude who plays the the Italian guy's number two is the guy who said he broke my fucking nose unless boy more focused. Oh I think I think when you're cutting a movie together and you have multiple heads strikes they all start to kind of look similar. You could throw in each either like prominently feature they throw in just like a wildland like he broke my fucking nose and also a lot of people have had their nose broken so it's and it sucks titans. If you have a lot of head strikes you have that thrown in there like it heightens your like this is more than it makes them more than a regular puncher to that broken noses. Oh yeah the me too. Many times been broken at least not that I know like my nose takes like three right turns now same with mindset same like I had to get. I had to get it fixed as I could not fuck and breathe through it at all. Oh Shit yeah this piece. Just this gives keeps getting bigger and bigger like the fucking for like when I like got glasses the guys like all right. We'll think of we heat this up. We can stretch this bridge out. The Guy Thought that he had given you those joke glasses that have the big fake news on and he's like hey making those thing staying your shut. Your fucking voted off man the way I broke mine. The first time is so not cool like I was maybe eight or nine years old and we had like a like one of those like hydro slide it was kind of a wave board before wave board because my parents used to water ski and like we weren't water skiing anymore and that thing had just ended up in the pool and it was like hard far fiberglass yeah and so like I just jumped on it off like the side of the pool the kind of try to like surf on it for a second and like it dipped way down in the water and then like I just kind of jumped off and then like popped out of the water and like blue into my fucking like flat across my face. There's no cool way to break her nose. Deal only branly can like unless you re times in a row by Brandon. That's the only way late here something that'd be horrible. Damon Wayans junior blasts you with the fuck and type viral from not junior near senior break. She knows you're a fucking loser. Was your dad broke my nose or my I've read even would be cool. I Love Kem to do it. Can we came Museum K.. W. One wasn't a s W W on Sean Way that was D._J.. Name in living color the cat yeah before when he was just fucking like to let them do one sketch where it was like an action movie starring S. W. One like fucking spin records you guys at the same time. was He really Jane or just pretending to be on the show <hes> that's I don't want no one sip family full of Comedians. You have one sibling. I'm sort of into D.. Jiang perfect that works out. Well Bob your head should we should we do this thing which is back this tenement square remember Tiananmen Square. My Dad is pinned him now but a wheels we also someone else let me put on my t shirt with a Chinese character on it. Show that I'm in China and younger then. We'll cut to me thirty five now here. Uh let me pose this way you start drawing me. I'll start drawing you all right. Okay here we go and this is my finished paint and this is what I see of. You did buyer command. Oh the baby gone. Hey man how's he. You're looking particularly chill this summer. I notice you're wearing sunglasses. Which is normally part of your get up? Are you trying to like change your image a little bit. I'm just the relaxed guy you gotta backwards hat on now. Just I'm super chill. This feels targeted staggered by backwards hat and sunglasses as my new look. This is a shadow wolves episode right. No no now wait worth. It's now man I I thought I'd be paid to do in shadow wolves episodes. No we would love for you not to be shadow all actually can't your heart of that cash grab shadow holes are supposed to be a little bit shorter of episodes. We have like a twenty minute. They can do every day. I can't be a part of that transparent cash grab. I'm sorry staggered. What might be all right? If you do show wolves yeah we'll buy. We'll fuck and get you some wax for that surfboard yacht or some- Nebi chill that would be. I mean if you get wet doesn't like destroy me Sir all the more reason to stay on the board Bro Yeah you don't you don't like that or wipeout dude or you're dead. Yes for life given the net. That's good for life advice so baby start. This is twentieth century Fox later. That doesn't have wheels. You can't kid scratched a hole in the hardwood floor in Valverde with your skeikh Geico Dude. I'm trying. I'm trying to ride the wave out. If you all right the Blue Wave Dude on devoting Gabor's his chill chill okay where do I. That's the bathroom just pick up for shadow wills money shovels. Money is is coming in he did yeah sure it's a little tight up right now and some foreign investment later later later. Oh Jeez can't believe the Gorgon has made me excited to see Stang are by which is an insane situation. I'm Gorgon today. Now I was staggered by but he's going through some identity crisis. I'm kind of more of like a surfer dude cool dude but like an eighties idealises sort of like chill as somebody must've program chill into his lexicon stuck on chill chill a lot. Eh that that it that the twentieth century Fox or the <hes> the mouse bought it before the freaking big mouse in it's big heavy wallet came Amen and fucking purchased Fox. I'd like you only worked for Fox right because you like Murdoch guy. He's got good ideas about. I haven't really watched any of their programming besides the MIC and Fox News so I don't really know well I refuse fused to work for them until they hire me but like up until then I mark my words I will not work for them unless they hire me. I like the fucking powerful. Thanks man thank you. I take you out of the Twentieth Century Fox executive watching the first cut of this movie. Hey it's great but you know the first eight minutes in the movie. Don't have Brandon Leonid. It's like well wait T. Z. The credit sequence. He's just doing karate and a back room. So what movie did we see. Listen the the last dragon last dragon yes yes. It's a Bruce Lee thing right. The first of many older montages yeah especially the laundry outfit yeah the laundry off it is off the last dragon. It felt like a descent similarities to last drag drag racing to the data hilariously tacked onto an otherwise pedestrian kind of action brandon. Lee said Bruce Leroy was the biggest influence on this. He actually switched his name right before he was killed on the set of the crow. He switched his name. Yeah Weird enough who actually killed him. Yeah a high powered Hollywood lawyer Burke feels that was just like all right man. I'll fucking push this paperwork work through to the Chinese government hiring sho nuff I mean he's doing all this shit about ten minutes square they wanNA quite that down and Sho nuff can show enough can be bought like fucking no no that so so yeah we have these weird like kind of like time lapse easy movement just displays of Brandon lead like kicking dudes and fucking sidekicks fucking elbows and then boom rapid fire her and we were in Thailand which I think is where the movie starts out and it's clear land is where the Chinese guy gives the Italian guy so keep in China Chinese this guy who's American whose American went back to Thailand to have a heroin pipe line then he became a big dog and now he wants to get an even better deal than he has so the there's a couple of guys on a motorboat and they're clearly bad guys because they're in suits or in the jungle and like soldiers or overseeing a bunch of people move and cargo and put in the cargo on ships <hes> <hes> and they pull up meet this Asian dude who make Chitchat. It's pretty lame opening sequence for longtime long flights Serano is like Twenty Six fucking hours Tommy Twenty Six fucking hours at Tommy's like well. I wait for you to come out here for twenty years. Okay you guys go back and they love talking about how they've known each other for twenty years. Do you think that the Guy Doing Serano like improvised a lot and they're just like Oh. You're doing such good mafia-style so Serano you. There's a line that is so obviously improvised that it's just like it's like if this is the Tagliatelli I don't WanNa taste the raccoon meat or whatever like yes so clearly like four random specifics and they're all laugh at the table. Arado is sort of like a he. I can't remember the actor's name. He looks like a poor man's Don Johnson and we said before he's the evil C._I._A.. Guy In the war room during under siege the guy who's like backing taking Tommy Lee Jones the guy who is like doesn't trust he like fucked Casey Rybeck over once in the past that you in there yeah yeah he kind of liked scampers out at the end and he's he's in under siege to also bring him back. I can't wait till we get to dark territory. He's really bummed out when like they win in the mad really happy with domestic terrorists. We're GONNA fire off some missiles and his right hand. Man is the dude from last boy scout that was making the prostitute sucks the WHO would gave her character from la-z-boys cameraman's Siragusa yes his name is like Tony Longo to or something it is like almost Tony Siragusa and ED. Tommy are drug dealer guy his number two is Eliane Alley. Chew Die Hard eating the candy bar yeah. He's the dude in big trouble. He's in everything he's in China guys eight on this movie. Eliane is one of the few guys I would be legitimately starstruck if I met him. If I met that dude I would be like I would hug him. I would want him to break my nose. I would say break my fucking my nose. I eat recall. Excuse I'd be happy to meet him but not I saw Peter Scott Meyer and Gallison's I saw Peter Stott iron gallons and I went up to him while he was at the coca counter. I just WANNA say man. I'm a big Fan of all that you do and he turned to me and goes. Do you work in the business and it was like he goes. Those are usually the only people know who I am a very cool moment where he's like clearly. You're like care about the craft whereas no one recognizes me on the street. I saw candy man at Gilson's. Oh Wow what an in the big black dude yeah so much and he's he's. He's he's fucking the rock. He's one of the voice he's like. Six six. He's huge and his voice is so so fucking like gravelly in Deep Shit Gray. Casting candyman is like underrated classic. He's also ends up being one of the guys in final destination two. I feel like he's like the heart mystic of final. He's like the Weirdo that knows about it but it doesn't work enough in my opinion now with that I could see that guy you could throw in every fucking movie. Yeah Fuck Yeah Talk to him. No but I ran into you too. I saw Zukas driving through the parking lot and I was like hey what's helped me heads Zukas them like human candyman is over there and he was like a cool okay man. That's great never wavered never goes into Gal since just like now I gotta go to Ralph's Rogers. Well got to avoid this place forever. Rogers Rogers candyman again like running away from candy demand at Albertson's. Okay Sir go albion fucking awesome that he's in this so they go through the woods to stick fight for this is like two guys staffs and our Sorrento's like a Tommy. I didn't come at ten thousand miles to see the two guys whack each other with toothpicks whole crew roaring guys really laying on the Mafia guys and then Tommy's alike <hes> well then. Why did you come Tony and like what he's characters? Tommy and Tony Tony's wild tie adventure fucking Tony's desperate Tony Serrano. He's like I supply you with this. Hook up you used to fucking run for me used to be my boy and now I wanNA taste and he fucking gets his and Tommy's like fuck you Antonio gets pissed off and he like wax some like shit on the table and everybody stops because commies the boss and he's fucking embarrassing and it's one of those classic situations where Tommy is the head of the drug running organization so everyone who is fighting performance for the head of the Drug Organization knows that and respects him but also in this case the twist is Tommy is also very good at fighting. This is great you I I was like Gabor's is going to like this move so it's getting pissed off totally just fucking disrespected him in in his house in his place he grabs a staff and goes and then fights these two guys these two guys who've been going at each other whacking each other with toothpicks and he starts whacking these guys with his toothpick and I wonder if the fighting later with some staff like objects and if you're one of those guys like do you win. You'RE NOT GONNA win. You just let the Guy Beechy right yeah so it's like he's trying to like show that he's tough but these guys are clearly leading them win. They're not gonNA give their best fight so so we've been trying to reach out to you Tommy the heroin plants on fire. What are you doing? I was fighting with two of the guys you know. How do those organized fights sort of near the drug factors like Vladimir Putin shit yeah it really the guys? Did you Chris Documentary. No did you watch documenting acres and Netflix. It's pretty interesting about the Greek myth or whatever the guy to close on his short story `Bout Russians doping during the Olympics and it's like Oh yeah who was a part of it is insane. I gotTa Watch that got him. fucking eliminated shit that documentary that on that yeah well and the documentaries interesting because the guy doesn't intend to figure out that it just keeps going deeper and deeper than just casually explains like all this illegal shit that they were doing well well. It's bullshit. It's nonsense you could trust to Vladimir. Your beauty is a good man. He gave me his passport. I trust him. I trust the mattress a lot of people I'm working Siberia's a nice place and for me to respect him means a lot those fucking gifts of him like taking taking the carrot and eating it. I don't know why it's so fucking funny because he's a vegetarian and so he goes so a lot of people can send imagine the context that we've seen the gift of a lot of action boys fans. Send it to us on twitter. It's fucking tons of photos of him eating this giant carrot and Russia so no it's not it's if it's the last dictator in in like Bellarusse heater of Europe okay so he's a Russian fuck in Straw man got yes but it's like the last official dictatorship in Europe and fucking Seagal goes there and it's a big deal because no celebrities go to these fucking even dealers celebrities like Seagal so they roll out the red carpet and that's why these guys do it. They roll out the red carpet forum and he's a vegetarian which is why he's like and he doesn't work out so we probably just eats like cake and shit. Yes seagal is like college vegetarian. We grilled cheese French fries so we've got this euro muscle mass and a huge fuck and gut. He's eating tons of soy and you're in yeah guy no mass for it's like they don't like issue era. Be vegetarianism Korean okay like less gravy. I guess on your sausage so they just give them a carrot to eat fucking rabbit and he's like real thankful it's huge and it looks like a prop carry. It looks like a fucking sketch like it looks like okay and he like nods and it takes a big bite out of a rock and they're in like a field and it's like four people's press up yeah it's three people dressed in suits and he's in bulletproof. Komo the fact that you sent that link to me you fucking like Eddie Munster digest on his hair and eyebrows sprayed on widow's. I speak a little kid doing fucking dracula well. I need the sunglasses because my eyes are too good. There actually too sensitive from easy elite darkness. I can imagine yeah vision during the day the Sun Ignites my thermal see it's crazy. It's crazy that they may you know like the Predator in one shot. I would've been friends with them. Genetically Enhanced predators the sequel aren't they genetically enhanced bullshit. You know it's going to be bad and the new one yeah about them being genetic. They're bigger like there's through trailers bad. I think where it's like like you know what was in that ship and they cut to just a really big Predator room. The surprise surprise they ruined with is fucking lame. I was like you gap and they also call them predators in the trailer which is dumb because they never do they ever say that like the tremors there called graboy. Nobody calls them trimmers. They Call Kevin Bacon tremor like the lead of the movie all right trimmer. Let's get out of here. The titular line favorite characters tremor tremor's the best part tremor would a classic character. I screamed at him. I saw him in fucking Gilson's and I was like tremor dude dude. You're fucking awesome. Go tremor tremor do when you played that pedophile now I love hollow man tremors. Those are my two favorite movies dude high five the following Schick the character's names avail. We'll fuck you brother guitar dude houses head off a puck and compete. You can deli number talking little. We'll get a pound of sausalito sliced thin fucking loser actually imagine you got an altercation in which you had to send a text guys I just spit and Kevin biggins face Gilson's. Let's go what happened. I called me. He didn't think his name from tremors was trevor. UPPITY army forced him into some book and dialogue from sneakers fucking pissed off fucking mad because I guess he was in in sneakers. He's that guy that molest them. Oh sleeper sleeper way different Negro Seniors where Robert Redford I forget molested by by David Strauss sleepers. What I met fucked up read that book? I remember just being so fucking jarred when they're like. What do you want a blowjob yeah? It was like wait. This is what this movie is. I know I didn't know what it was when I the beginning kind of starts like it's going to be like a stand by me. Tie actually kill that guy with the hot dog. This is taken fucking turns. uh-huh gets terrified me man. Fuck me up so I quit. My job is a children's prison more than after I saw I stopped fucking stealing hot. Dog Carts straighten me right out. I realize you could still just the dogs so back in Thailand. We're we're getting through the opening scene here. Yeah we're at minute forty and we just got through the openings have not even so <hes> Tommy rattles off some Ford stuff and the goon is one of the just say and Tony's like it's Cillian proverb means. Don't ask for what you can't have. Don't ask what you can't take okay. Uh So then we cut the tenement square for ten minutes square route like fundraiser rally turned ninety two in Modern Day Los Angeles at a Chinese like power to the Chinese people. Rally we will be shortly flashing back to square so we're like at some unknown university in Los Angeles Ocean views and Shit. We're thirty eight year. Old Man in a leather jacket is a college freshman taking Studio Studio Art classes. He does not look between eighteen and twenty two moving. No He's probably like twenty six. Maybe died when he was twenty-eight yeah so he's got to be twenty five or twenty six. I mean these young play his. He's he's got. He's got like a big forehead big jaw yeah. It looks like a little bit like h g h head yes jack to mask yeah. He's hgh or some some guy of masking yes the rocky tennis story Yeah Yeah. We're like I read kid gets that fucking stoltze turns green somebody stop shares cry Sam Elliott. Oh Yeah Guard that for like as you read in the papers like the perfect family movie role like why the Fucker we've watching this. I watched it a lot for some reason it was on it was on a lot it was on a lot and it was like one of those things where you like click through and you're like damn it. I don't even WanNa see that when he's dead at the end and he's doing like the like the monologue from the grave or whatever got holes in my pocket Sun on my face I remember like fucking being wrecked trek so we flash back so brandon Lee walks by this like protests remembrance and he he was at Tiananmen Square and we see his dad his dad trying to save some lady who'd like a whole wall fell honor her and he's a kid aught here Jake and he's like no the dad falls down and in the wall of moves on Dan Marino take Crohn's Abo- right. It was very confusing yeah. It's very confusing. He's and you're also like now. How old is Jake that he's at Tiananmen Square? Yeah maybe two or three hours young tennis where was only a few year years eighty eight maybe which she's also crazy that like Chinese have successfully just like God and people to stop talking about it used to be in every fucking every TV show had like kind of like a tenement square like epic. It was kind of an action adventure thing like there may be some foreign exchange student who had like talk about it and it was like real soft power shit and now completely forgot yeah it does not come now. We get like a fucking Chinese actor to come over and like nobody knows that was why or who they are. We get like Chinese Carter. The movie the audience completely into Tiananmen Square scenes anymore began as we need to sell all our movies to China and Tenement Square scenes. They're all my favorite. I love watching someone. Square off against the tank is literally the only thing I know about it so like one of these student activists recognizes Brandon Lee Jake low by full-face his name and that jake low right and Jake's like I'm not interested. We know every every Chinese guy on this campus. Now I think for you like Jake Bean. This guy who doesn't WanNa do anything is one of the big fall to the movie especially since I think Brandon Lee has kind of a genial personality he looks like a he seems like a boy scout so it's like on a motorcycle with it really rings unsure when he first pulls up on the motorcycle and he's got more of a Chad energy. He's playing analysis. He's off the percent Brandon League Jake Law we got the character of Alex from Brandon Lee like when he pulls up on the motorcycle at like does the jackets Jay Fair looks like one of those like like weird like puppets doing like terminator or something Kermit and when Cartman they put sunglasses and a jacket on Karma to make some sort are a pop culture reference mugged by Kermit one time when he had it fucking leather jacket fuck intimidate us what inspector inspector backup comes around behind the karate kid so we cut to Jake in art class and the instructor director guy from West Wing. He's like come on Jay. You GotTa draw what you see and he's like this is what I see and we get some glimpses of the nude model. She's like I miss I truly in this movie and remember I'm like and this gratuitous news. Hey do miss the random bits and action movies. I'm sorry I was thinking about it because I saw the first purge home for some reason I heard it was good. No it's not and it's like even the name because people get confused. It's like Oh yeah. How's that a holdup even Hawk right? It's like no the movie the first purge not the Virgin game out insane that they were so stupid yeah but just purged the beginning you know some stupid I just wanted to get new people that come entities purge movie or like perch ten. I guess Bloom House just doesn't do nudity <hes> like they do a lot of setups but there's some point where the main character gets attacked by two prostitutes who were seducing him and and they seem where everyone would be better seen if everybody was naked invulnerable like even just beyond being titillating like the scene itself would benefit from the characters being naked. Yes Hi new heightened state. You're naked in somebody tries to kill you. It's different than being fully eastern promises scenes you love that scene. I Love I just love Vigo's Dong but also like four movies. You're supposed to SEC sanctions so wrapped up the way you do it. Yeah I mean like with the gone and in the crow makeup and again I'm giving a free tastes Kinda the podcast right now but I was waiting. faming warm house doesn't do like any nudity and I was like is because a porn deport rune movies because it ruined a lot because a lot of people way ruined me like a some Shitty fucking dude would be like Oh that actually shows your titties. I WANNA see Halle Berry's titties happy. I said it right you fox. Yeah I WANNA see Haley Berries Ted's. I'M GONNA go see swordfish or now. Everybody just fucking swatches so much like who cares right or also in the flip of that too is like actresses less likely to do nude scenes because then it's like Halley. Holly Berries tits are like zoomed in like mister skin site where it's Mike Look at all the here's a frame by frame of someone's air forever right we get body doubles shit yeah just do it for the fuck and the movie not like for so somebody can have the fucking weird victory lap seen you naked. It's always weird when when a guy is all harvey cartel naked and the piano that power over V it's me I saw R._V.. I've seen I saw harvey nights naked piano. We had a beautiful body. I will go into combat with him at any time based on his tongue alone. He's got accused Kok. I know he would know how to fight lighten what to do with it. Getting puppetry the penis I'm looking to symbol crew but yeah like stuff having sex with bras on under blankets and move you know what I mean like. I get that like you don't WanNa show nudity but then like sex scenes feel weird without any nudity to God. I can't wait to get the sexiest in this. I know he's it's it's on the list of grace montages. We've covered yeah. Take a close up of her with her lips around his hog. Do the next shot her again. He's as we get if true are fucking receive so the new model gets a robe on and his titillated by fucking Jake like has some mysterious drawing. She's gotTa check it out and it's her naked. He's a very good artist with a dragon again behind her. They immediately should put him in a home if he sees a dragon and that's one of those weird like animated porn shifts that like we're like a dragon his tie. It's a tentacle like what I see. All right man like I'm an artist it involves nudes and it's like pornographic like they're like this beautiful beautiful female body and it's like thug in his like Family Guy Porn. It's a deviant vient art. It's fucking Elf with huge tits get fucked by Centaur and he's like it's beautiful. I knew figure drawing classes are always weird as fuck and everybody's like try and everybody is weirded out like uncomfortable double. The model doesn't ever seem comfortable. I hear they are they are though it's unsettling in no way no way all the models are like super cool about it and like like yeah love be naked New York. I always felt we I've. I've I've been to a bunch of figure drawing feels like someone took a few in college but it feels like someone's aunt is like doing a favor for the guests New York every like and this was like in school like all the models seemed annoyed and like they were doing a favor ver- and it was always like I remember one time wanted clearly just woken up and did not shower and it was fucking gross and like you because you're staring at every fucking crevice of their body and like really studying it and like one time. We got the only person that was okay with doing it. Was this little old man who looked like Bob Balabagn who comes in. I was like wait this guy's a model and he fucking drops. He's got a fucking little as Dick and then he has a staff he starts doing all these like javelin. Throwing poses like he's a Greek guy. He's a little and he's like this tiny like skinny Achilles five year old guy and he's just doing all fucking Mr Olympia poses then I was like Oh this student like gets off on this that's awesome and so then you were and you're still allowed to like just cut a little bit of their hair and keep it in a ziplock bag. Well technically you gotta get permission beforehand and I I s them not to tell all the the teacher I pay them before class. I kinda intercept them before they walk in. I'm like hey and it's important to me that I get the hair after the drawing so I kind of meet up with them before and after and again this free taste the podcast you guys ever has there ever been like an attractive woman and the models in Los Angeles are very attractive out here and it's an but all the artists are around here too because there's so many animators and like story board artist exposed if you're destroying trying to be agree. What do you got John over there? It's just the dragon hardest you got. You gotTa be good what did you did you get Pearl colored colored paints for this little SPLAT when you walk in and they don't recognize like you definitely are scoped out like is this person actually an artist or are they fucking pervert. It's more like what level of what level of pervert pervert is like acceptable enough to continue with this art class 'cause that's. There's a base level of perversion in those situations to read welcome to art one. Oh one she's he's GonNa be doing five thirty second uzis followed by longer Pu Jasmine quit your grin and drop your Lynn. I'll read fellows. You can draw with one hand. Get Your hands ads out of your pockets. You will be doing a ten minute pose in the champagne room for those of you with deep pockets so we cut to. She asked fucking Jake our she's into it even though she seems a little bit older than him. Maybe maybe seem so he seems upset by being asked out. She's like maybe you'll find me sexy with my clothes on which breaks a level of professionalism kind of and then he's like I doubt it and that's when you realize what you're in store for for the like writing and dialogue in this movie or it's supposed to be kind of a cheeky back and forth and it doesn't come out that way at office like two people who are like I did someone make them like. It's like text message really read this because it is delivered without any energy or so for some reason. The heroin shows up in L. A. on its way to Chicago and both Tommy and Tony also came to L._A.. And this is where we meet one of Tommy's like elway Henchmen Chang Chang who's data's dad from the Gooney. Yes they also dude who's been in a ton of stuff. Yes if you were a working Asian actor at this time and he warned in this movie. It must have hurt. It must have been like being a heavy set Italian guy in in New York mark in like the nineties Eugene Cool apted that video about not being asked to do Hawaii five o the only Asian actress who mortar if you had to like play down that the somebody yeah. Let's let's Scott Caan was pissed about Daniel Day came and Scott Caan showed up to his house. Scott Kahn was furious that dude funny too. It's not funny Scott Ari. I don't know what to say on sorry Scott Caan legit survivor in this business like somehow still somehow has been metoo by some miracle looks like looks like a walking metoo you too. I would hope to find out that he's like oddly the most likely Intersex F._M.. Totally like so been married since he's eighteen childhood sweetheart somebody it looks like the marriage the honor of going down on you madam thereby flipping him all the way back around to scumbag. That's like the fog inhuman red flag if you said that's what I've written at one time in an instagram post get two girls through instagram posts. Oh that's the best picture of yourself doing chin ups and five different women. I grew to girl to criticize your instagram because I think it's fucking cool as hell. I'll think there's enough shirtless pictures picture Ziyuan there and I think you've got to change your profile pic to you. Shirtless yeah take my car off of it. Well you gotta be sure let's on the car man you gotTa get in the Shatt. You should be on the hood shirtless and if you will figure out a way to photoshop that tattoos so you're comfortable being shirtless or you could wear just sleeves so branding reversed tanked. It's just so that's a good luck man. We should all start rocking crossfield. The climbing gear actually helps my kettle bell swing. When you're like bells they've knee braces high socks underwear a sports bra gloves? It just wears shirts pants at this sorry put clothes on this shows up at a gallery to pick this girl up for his date and he knocks on the door and she immediately opens the door like she's just standing on the other side door at a party. Hardy had a party waiting for like the right person to knock and she duped him. It's a fundraiser for these student. Activists Chinese for Democracy Chinese for democracy the main protest guy we saw before for he wants him to say a few words and the sponsor of the event is Carl. Chang Tommy's dude that we just met in Carl. You know get some fucking money and goes up to his office. Serano Serano is in there somehow so Toronto's in their where to assume Chang's been at a party at his own gallery for a little while and hasn't been to somehow a bunch of twenty twenty security guards with them none of them's. They're just waiting impatiently. He's still down as a party always taking a long shit I think down the Chimney Jojo which I guess is trying to justify how they got in there okay sure and Serrato delivers align times than I just said it how he does like. That's what got him the part that he did like a fun read on. Does Santa Claus the reference. You're trying to make it at all. So it's a shock on his like you know I'm an American and we know how to take things any wants. The manifesto where like and the contact he wants to take over the heroin busy wants to take over. They went to soaps option. When Tommy met this Guy Chang Carl Chang he gave him a fifth century Mongolian dagger and Chiang's like Oh yeah? I know you don't have to explain to me. Everybody knows the thing Fifth Fifth Century Mongolian idiot is the dagger at the two prongs. No comes out later called takes us out now throws it at Sorrento. Throw seems legit surprised like you can't believe like that actor even fucking did that. He he misses Toronto. Don't be the only missed I in. They have to justify why Toronto pulled the trigger so throw shoots him. He goes out flies through the glass wall of this office this and Jake's on the other side Jason. He's on the other side Pudding Foundation on his bacne from his round of testing like did he he. It looked like he was juicing like his head was used huge shredding. He knows that's always like a steroid. Sign in a movie like they're like way bigger and then they'll get aggressive and then they get a nose bleed on steroids. Did you ever see the Ben Affleck yeah that's right like trashes his room to dress and all he does is like heavy leg extensions and hamstring curls. I was like all this weird like fucking. You know like Nautilus Dudes Dude Steroids in your high school tonnes. There's like long island steroids power hardy ball through like juniors in high school Tehran have fucking thin hair bacne and they like do who were already on that path a little bit you know and they were just like fuck it lean in and just fucking bulbous acne on their forehead save. It's all Diana Ball and shit like Winston was big and Mike because the wind chills for cutting deals for balking was like the big thing in my high school and like I remember one point two football coach just like said something like one of the linemen who everyone knew was on steroids who went from like B-team to starting the next year and put on like fifty pounds of muscle. The coach was like what's the matter you don't have any of your juice with you today like but still let him play and like never talked about win. He's got not too high school playoff game. Besides thirty pounds of muscle on isn't too hard. If you live in the weight room and close the ball's juiced you put thirty pounds off season last year. Put on anymore you can play offense would have to be dumber too. I can read motherfucker. See The the shoe it says Adidas. I know my heart. I think technically an action movie and I think me and Sanger go off when we talked that you reciting that was like Jake Lamotta doing on the waterfront they just slightly more punchdrunk motion the I think the trailer has when they lie down in the road they cut it from the movie and my and we saw I can't remember what movie we're going to see but my dad leaned over to me. He really wants to be a tough guy. He lays down the other way side vertically so he does die. That's good so we definitely gets run over by. One of the two table in the left lanes swerved swerve. You're playing you ever put out the like the mystery science theater three thousand show you deal with your dad you guys I mean yeah. It's like poor audio by the way a very good idea for a show is don't tell your dad you're filming like odd at you know like watch a movie with your dad and just get them to keep talking about it and then at the end just put it out as like my my dad's sleeping and I would just be my bag on. She's a Peace Asa. Mike my dad like losing his place in society no coming back from whatever you mean what exactly that would be my diabetic snape johnny you know maybe I shouldn't put this podcast. Maybe I should just throw this tape that kind of like my memories of my dad before I have them all kind of set in stone so Jake Toronto make eye contact and Sorrento flips out so clearly. There's guys with machine guns everywhere. It's fucking tons of weapons ammo yeah. Everybody has some machine guns. Some I'm Chink Cayden saw me whack him yeah get. That yellow mother fucking says I did so much shit like Toronto Super Racist Add some his like. Anybody works for also done some like. AAC Chinese voices and stuff to like he kind of does some Wesley Snipes Demolition Man Jon. I forgot about that part so jake does a fucking dope ass move kicks kicks through stairwell and takes one guy out then he fucking slides down the floor kicks a table up into another guy takes that dude's breaks his arm and takes his gun that shoots fucking like another dude right. He's already ready to kill people well. He's like yeah. He's like combat ready to kick through the banisters through that that stairwell is the trailer moment. I remember that I was like that's a very cool thing. What what what I like I was saying earlier is like this like this like a utility way? Shoot it to where like I'm used to like the Van Damme movies where a lot of those like you would see three times and the third time in slow mo inserts their special shower with special lighting. This is just like him doing cool choreography but it's just wide show I mean it's like renew lists. You just keep going back and you find new things every time you re read discover and Rewatch it. It's pretty bad acid. They do show a lot of their fights in wide and wide like he's in wide which is cool cool to see him do his actual backflips over people and actually it looks and he's super creative and the Corey Geography's really fun. It gets long in the tooth in the last Eliane fight goes on like has a beat you too too many in my time there in the laundromat. It makes no sense that nobody else has wept that. There's so much hand to hand like all the other hand to hand seems justified in the movie and it's fucking shoot. It's also this movie has an. I can't believe I'm going to say this for one hundred minute movie. This movie is one too many set pieces. Maybe like I love the set-pieces because the other scenes definitely suck. It feels crazy that there's still one more with the set pieces I think just the story makes no sense right so the last mission she's like Jack Dawn and also we needed a moment where like I don't really like Jake as a character I think he's pretty bad character and he never has a moment where we needed to see him fully leave Chicago and then be like no stain there and helping him is the right thing to do instead. He was like weirdly by the end of the he's like duped by the girl like does she like him into doing which people but like that last the last kind of unnecessary mission they have him walking up to help you feel more than what you end up feeling. It was an interesting thing to where he was just kind of like this whiny kid that didn't want to be involved and then he ends up getting involved as opposed to like some like his brother dying like him wanting to be too involved and they're saying you can't you're not a part of this. The character jake as it is in this screenplay only works if he doesn't know martial arts yeah right yeah if he's a complete fucking Weenie who's like I'm going to get killed. I can't fuck and do this. If he's not a total bad ass they can take out when the guy when they're like you. GotTa go in undercover. It should be nerve wracking instead. It's like we've watched. This guy killed one hundred people with his bare hand. It'd be fine move fucking. Get the fuck human weapon again. That's the missing got an intelligence. We got this guy. He can do everything he's GonNa kill. We're just GONNA put them in their he'll kill everybody like I don't know who would be like Jona Hill like if it was Joan Hill as his character like the story as written would make way more sense. It's like you want me to go when they're all good fucking killed it would be weird when he spoke Mandarin and stuff but otherwise it would be that would be weird when he puts on Laundry Audrey Outfit Square. If it isn't Asian character I say change agenda and go as Scarlett Johansson so you don't have to change the gender complete transfer. That's GONNA be so hot as a trans guy dude yeah everybody. Is You do the fucking APP. Do you say Trans Guy or do you just say like trans- Trans- Trans Okay transitioning to Trans Guy is works. PRIMES awful cousin Trans Guy then meets the optimism. What's up man? You got that forty dollars. We're talk about your body is Trans guided more than meets the dude. It's me trains guy. What is is what is Trans Guy just to be clear a transformer? It's a robot right. It's the guy is just some guy. He's just making sure that we're not making fun of. Let's put it out there to know a transformer. That's like thinks he's cool. Choice abbreviated it entrance guy. I'm rogue right clear you are as we move past this fucking third rail the the third rail coming in the suit relieves in his fucking motorcycle and then gets followed to go back through the gallery and he fucking like dreicer hug he hits a guy with his motorcycle drives that guy through glass display and then out of fucking window and it's all practical it looks great. It looks cool as hell. It's an insane thing that he does that and then he doesn't land so he falls on the ground he gets surrounded by COPS. One of the Fed's show up and like a butcher feds also show up the fucking vice president from sudden-death food already squared off against booth once before and <hes> they lock them up and this is where like as they're going through the lockup. They're like the father was taught martial arts at Langley and they kinda give the like explanation of his background would know but like he's like really they could've easily make them like you know he was fifth degree Black Belt International and then when his dad fell off when his dad died he was in the military and he quit or something like this time drawn and doing martial arts he's just he's constantly at the gym shooting up with his boy beautiful looking for trying to help him keep his emotions in check because all over the place but if you cycle correctly and drawn keep your focus and do breathing exercises so just trying to fit into this jagged he he's Jack F it's your turn. The in a smaller size is smaller check. It was on clearance. It seems like he's got the weird thing where like part like his shoulders got too big but his waist is too thin so we had to get like a size up with the jacket and then it's like bill yeah yeah I mean this trucker jackets are men. It's just him being styled and not giving any input right just throws check old lady like from a motorcycle okay. I got the Classic Motorcycle Jacket you're GonNa look like Marlon Brando on the waterfront. We'll take it off this four hundred pound teamster and put it on your shoulders near ready to go so he so he's doing derogation room. He draws a picture of Serano and it looks like like it's fucking comic book style awesome and then they start kinda kissing his ass because they're like you're going to be our star witness. We were trying to get this guy. Forever probably has pulled the trigger himself a fifteen years so now let's let's get you closer to the bad guys and it's sort of a porky grabs at one cops hand and puts it in a hold and they basically blackmail him. They're like either you do this or we're going to rack up a bunch of charges on you so they kill a person the street fighting I think so probably I mean killed at least one judge would hold that up and they're like my judge to Chicago Judge Reinhold. What is what is the fuck this up what it's the Marlon Brando movie where he is like the rebel like where he wears a leather jacket and stuff the James Dean is rebel without about? I said that that was wrong with Lee Marvin Vallon against what are you got that one. Yeah Wild One swallowed up yeah. That's what I was going to be called out by some fuck actually all you guys were talking about macgyver. I would be much more appreciative macgyver which does have a tenement square episode <music>. We should demand actually knows cop away with here. She goes no hockey so we cut to a bowling alley where powers booths team is set up. I I love out of Bowling Alley like sure why not fun small thing because they're like working there like a special unit or like Chicago P._D.. But like a special unit he's just kind of playing pretend F._B._i.. Has An intelligence officer officer which doesn't exist intelligence officer is Carlo Winter and then he's got another guy who he's. I can't remember his name and this but you probably recognize him from a loss in all the videos he's he's the yeah he's Chinese and this. I don't know he's an Asian dude of some sort and he's funny. I like him in this movie. He's got a great look. I like the mullet kind of choices that he probably probably made like all right. I'm kind of like an undercover guy right got some chains and Shit so she the intelligence officer which is fucking awkwardly stumbled out of booths mouth to to explain who everybody is. She does this my intelligence and guys. It's not Leah Thompson Away Lot likely she doesn't have a shop. I might be the only guy in this fucking thing with any chops only actor lack the hell out of Shit. Some of these Asian guys got it figured out but they don't have as big a part as I he he's great because there's like a just like a little bit creepy nece yeah. He's a fucking freak and trashing to him all the time I love him. He's handsome. He's handsome buddies. He's got yeah he's but he's a totally believable cop. You know what I mean like ugly ugly and there's always just as a little bit of danger level because his eyes hi Sir permanently half hooded and then he talks my powers boothe impression. This is a big part of it. You gotta get those bottom teeth out talks. He talks with lowering his bottom lip and not as top lip like most people Arar kid home early J. Outta tell you this. I know we just met but I love the hell allow you. You're going to have guy no Masta Jake I love you. You got to get off juice buddy jake. You're my son. I love in <hes> Jay. Carl wants to fuck shit out of you and if you're if you're testses earl tiny you're not going to be able to do a small potatoes. Make the steak look bigger but jake this is going to be an issue in the long run. It seems fun right now like you're invincible but there's no there's no free pass nature. I want you to watch his Lila Szeto documentary shake your tendons are going to get shredded to hail buddy and we're not even talking about the pressure you put on your C._N._S.. From all this heavy lifting you're doing jake. You're on your Jack. You're my baby boy. They say men can't breastfeed latch John Jay. You'RE GONNA have titties to you. Don't get all that juice jake yeah I got. I got a special custom change table. That'll fit you a a little bit died. Gets you in a little too with your giant ass leather jacket while we're talking about Toronto. Let's throw the old ball bowling a bowling ball just like I did with my dad so she gives she gives them. The scoop that the feds got a star witness and he's like go get yourself a bag a donuts. The feds put Jake into a safe house and they're like relaxed. Watch T._V.. Eight hours this'll be all all over he goes can I get a glass of water okay and they cut to him slicking his hair back shirtless in the kitchen and I said give it to the focus imagine if I was like hey can I get a little croix. They come back no shirt no song what the fuck happened in their man. Tell me what time is it. The company Syringes Round Borrow. That's insulin man. I wouldn't shoot him refill. Whatever do with Jeff One was going to say? I will say though it's good that they got the shirt off because his build looks much better with no shirt than with clothes on yeah yeah. He knows that only wear tank tops yeah. He's got the Van Damme off it. On Ballet Tank Tahoe we soon pants tucked in tank tops chance that you can do hikes and yes so tanks that a woman wears underneath a shirt people don't know I was wardrobe. stylists for rapid fire eye watery copy legs peg legs it easy to do that splits. I bought him a Cami and Camisole very ard with these big leg such big leagues he can do all the splits. You don't know this but the character has silk underwear. I wear silk underwear so he comes out the guy. The COP who went in with him that is like his handler is he's like I'm going to see if there's a game on while it gets up to change the channel on the TV the other two cops were already in the safehouse feds. That's by the way yeah he goes like looks to write and goes. I'm going to see if there's a game him on gets up and it's like does not know when his squibb's are going to go off like waiting. He seems genuinely. He knows he's getting killed. He's like I'm going to see if there's a which is a sentence. Nobody says like you go. Is there a game on someone would go like Oh yeah I think New England's playing when you know it was a different time man Internet time off the Internet so it's like screw on silencers fucking blow away these guys go full he'll turn with like like saying mean stuff and like weird like like pithy lines and shit and then you find out later that they were actual feds that they just rebel the payoff right and then I think they'd be conflicted and do it for the money. You wouldn't think there'd be like a real bloodline order. Jamie's he's got there where he was like. <hes> hungry pop tarts more pop tarts. Yeah he's like opens the fridge and there's pop tarts in the fridge and a cabinet. What the fuck is the safe listen? I like my pop tarts cold. You like them room. Temperature aperture we can figure this out with the s'mores one in the fridge and the Cherry ones in the cabinet alright that had two cups guy do like an UN credited rewrite on some of the heat does have a cough sequence where he so he looks in sees the the co- the Fed that was with him get blown away then he looks at cameras like Oh shit yeah. He says right down the barrel shit. Is that a Bruce Lee into the Reuss Leo Majd again but it's more but like I figure it was actually probably cuffs chiefs like I think he had read the script for coughs because cuffs hadn't been made yet well Bruce. Lee's like when he was coming up with Jikun doe he said used all different styles up to and including cuffs. He was like I heard like patrol special for a while when he first came to the United States like in San Francisco to San Francisco patrol special before you opened his Dojo together he cooked Turkeys for all the other well here. I am in a safe house and and I guess the feds are dirty. That was good. This year's a fun little escape sequence here he gets to do some cool. Shit throw silverware dude which is awesome which I think. It's really fun 'cause he didn't take a stake was fun joke about it. He's going to take a knife but he just throws the whole train when he when he kicks the door into the guy's face three times to that's such a funny like that's so cool to these guys are doing. They're like mean lines. You're not GONNA do anything there being real talking evil foods and he like clad up into a closet a dude fuck in like machine guns so much machine-gun work in this machineguns align across the closet door. Kill them but jake was like up high kicks through the closet knocks the guy down <hes> tries to escape kicks a window out. There's bars in the window. He can't undo him he reaches. She's out grab. Some grilling gear grabs like on the fires. I don't people keep a grill skip against hefty N._y.. Regulations I mean maybe Chicago you could do it but we got our grill taking off our fire escape. Where'd you tried? We tried to ensure it wasn't F._B._I.. Safehouse around the rule pop tarts. I like my pop dot on the grill. You like cold like room temperature. Check the free pot hearts in the freezer to God. We partnered up. We all like pop tarts differently. I love fucking long. Eight hours. Puts this fork in this dude any kicks dude through the window and so he's got an out he you fucking runs down. Winters has a gun on him. The intelligence officer Carla Hot fuck the COPS fucking get the drop on her. I kind of liked that that they tell her to put her gunned down. Then the Fed dude shows up and he's like that dude's a cop killer. Her starts just taking shots at this is frank the Fed guy that he was on his side. No this is another guy. This is another guy because broken nose. This guy with the broken known calls frank so he calls frank and gives <hes> shed Serano. Meanwhile is like fucking at his restaurant that everybody's guzzling down Italian food. No everyone's eating. I paused this radio. It's like fucking craft service. It's not like it's not it's like some Rockley yeah. It's it's really you made as Hurrell and like a bowl. Linguini tried to cover it up with acting like everybody's taking the biggest fucking like ICU spoonfuls ipod. There's like they have like the Cutie Mandarin oranges out and then like some trail mix with peanut butter crackers red vines right. I'm going to have to ensure that stomach years Lord's London hey come on. He's a fun so noon. They're trying to do their like their little cotton clubs like noisily like eating and everybody laughing at him you know so the Fed Guy Calls Sorrento's number two our guy from the last boy scout and he's like I got the kid our vice president who sort of like a poor man's Christopher walken a little bit may kind of dumb and this to like. He's a weird dumb. He's got a weird energy <hes> at the end when he like blows his own plan. I should say well. How are we suppose you're doing business? Is this with pleasure sweating like a pig. He's so immediately blows his own cover like he was in a failed pilot for tales from the crypts off show called two fisted tales. I think they later showed voted on to actually William Sadler bad guy from die hard to as as a handicapped war veteran that was insane and he was the Kripke paper and he'd like just talked to camera camera and like say crazy ass shit too and then they cut to like the fuck and the stories and one of them was called King of the road starring this guy as a cop who used to be the greatest drag racer in the country so Brad Pitt. Is this new bad ass driver who tracks him down. It's like one race. I want one race with you and the guys like I don't know what you're talking about. You got the wrong guy and he like fucking romances his daughter and like challenges yeah so keeps his daughters trunk and his like you gotTa Fuck Race me or I'm GonNa kill your daughter. That's awesome Brad Pitt and so it was like sort of more of an action adventure version of tales from the crypt would have been cool but never APP reboot it <hes>. I think now that T._v.. So good people like the the concept of anthologies less appealing because they're blowing up more. Now I see we'll mini. Mini series are the idea of of an anthology was like wait. I can get Dick Donner to do one episode of TV year and he'll bring in his stable of actors and so I can have an all star forty minutes show everyone does he have any what about Black Mirror anthology black mirrors matter dude boy. Oh boy is it an anthology. Though it is yeah I and a lot of these shows are like anthology seasonal anthology right now where it's like. It's one season in the next few years definitely the exception to the rule but I I mean I love anthologies. I wish they were on all the time like short stories. They keep trying to do amazing stories. The remember that these stories was bad. It was bad but they I keep trying to Redo it. I think test from the crypt was the only successful because it was on H._B._O.. Violence and and like it was great twilight zone tales no boobs. obscenely wasted our for Young Ryan after senior William Saturday School Amaro just it was brilliant to have that guy fucking puppeteer appear to like it was such a great choice <hes> anyway. I can't get lost talking about the fucking crypt keeper but that is one of my outfits so this Fed ed guys talking to Serrano's number two is being recorded. Powers boothe is in a fucking van outside tapping the phone to Sorrento's restaurant so he's got the fucker on tape making the deal to hand over the kid at at the shadiest alley in all of Chicago. What's that alley that has all those buildings that no one lives in that we could all be in the windows outside the lot fucking Los Angeles one with just a payphone on pay phone filled with fucking empty cardboard board boxes so they agent Stewart he's there? That's our fucking dude from two fisted tales of vice president he he's at the phone booth and powers boothe shows up interrupts the hand off and is like getting a fucking car. If you WANNA keep breathing kid hey. You're my son now at that. Luckily into your child seat you sit in the back and I'll sit in the back on the on the phone removed kid all the all the plans of the bag is involve all right everyone hide and when I say go come slowly staggering out of where you're hiring then setup bad guys good guys rate the rate of all time bringing back so shit goes bad like right away the bad guys show up late and they're all like in buildings and they start shooting these empty cardboard boxes. Jake jumped into some boxes and guys are just fucking sprain garbage and he builds like a car out of the boxes and drives away and it's it's actually pretty cool. Jayco disarms a guy and does some fucking John Woo shit stories like double barreled shoot guy takes show puts ten rounds in a dude's chaz jumps into powers boothe is key booths car and powers Judaica cheerios back their powers boothe by the way also in insanely insanely good shot. His name is Great Mace Ryan. That's fucking one for the books Ace Ace God. That's my fucking son's name Mace Rogers. I can't do Mace Ace Gabriel. It's too it's too similar. Yeah staggered to like alliterative towards the end their Pailin Dramatic Mace Mace Ryan and then this fucking chase can mace. It's like guaranteed. He's going to be a disappointment Mason Glenn the two names or you're just like this kid's fault yet. Mace gets kicked out as either gets kicked out of school or is like only interested in shit. You can't stand as an actor and prefers to be called Moss uh-huh mispronounced class. She's lost native Spanish for more. I'm just thinking this right now. I haven't said this to hundreds of people. How about you go out little experiment so we see Mesa? Ryan Fuck in the end of this chase is pretty awesome. He busts out the shotgun and they stopped driving. The car gets out and fires rounds into the chase car. Never pumps the shotgun so awesome though just blowing blowing holes in the fucking car catches fire it swerves he stays ice cold. Just fucking firing rounds good good good practical effects you know yeah shots happening. fucking blowing up and the fire should feel feels good. It looks so this this whole fight scenes awesome and then how does it end. I'm trying to remember what happens at the end ear they kind. We don't have rodgers here in arena at the end to go pee they. They end up back at the police the fire I think they take them. I think they take him to the bowling alley right. She takes him he takes her to the bowling alley and the girl punches him in the stomach. Oh right right yes he met he already disarmed me. Oh and jumping back to that moment after he disarms. There's that's when he does. The sprint went head on towards camera ripped trailer moments trailer moment hurdling over something that is very evenly spaced out over there with a silenced pistol in his hands. She's pissed. She punches him. We're back to the bowing out. She punches him in the gut here. Do you have a bad day kid. We're having a bad day care to what we haven't always usually do it for a bad day milkshake. I'll get you take you out for milk. You're quiet on the ride to the bowling alley. You'll get as yourself a milkshake Kiddo. I'm your dad talk about is they're going to have the standardized tests and at your school next week. I'm your dad. Now your boy my son died. I didn't Tiananmen Square this kind of work so I was made says yeah. I don't know what he was doing there. You're young. You're young boy. Aren't you a little boy on our shoulders watching parade you know while we're just keep a dull orange juice juice juice all right off that stuff off the ours us get on the juice too big burning. You're just yesterday. I didn't know you now know of you. Huge Man Fuck and frequent so your jaws bigger than mine and I'm a fucking square us. y'All but I'm pretty big it made sense China Kid. You got a huge thing. All you got a big old head and face like the bad guy in the mass yea Jim Carrey Ken Griffey for that Simpsons episode actually meant the Jim Carrey mass when the bad guy puts on the mail and billy's ain't no now zad from pulp fiction who is poor man's Vilis ain't in my hand yes so we're at the bowling alley. They kind of like again. Blackmail him like you know what happens to cop killers right and it's like what I'm going to be off your Christmas list because because he's in a weird spot because the people who were protecting him are he killed some of them spend whatever story they <music> 'cause they were actual feds and Mesa has been after Serano for ten years and this is where we they're really laying on that. He's dad now. They had a <hes> the head writer for the smothers brothers to some of the jokes for they just like my dad. What are you wasting your time on something that you believe in your just like by? What would you have a family? I'm divorced. Let me guess as long as you have no family because they're a divorce and your dad died in Tiananmen Square job. It's a cause let me cash yeah. This is odd. He died cannabis where now you're looking for new son one with a huge fucking you you had a son huge fuck. You want to ban guy. He has the cobras the guy from covert space. Hey gives up. He's this gal out of people's opposed. Let's talk about steroids reasons so whereas checkup Schroeder correct if you do it correctly you cycle. They have actual deficiencies asthma. That's why is just one of those things. The studies aren't there. We shouldn't vilify it. I love that he records nater faster bigger bigger stronger faster. Those guys were bouncers. There's at my college bar. The one yeah the bell brothers Oh wow they were bouncers at Rennie's there from like Poughkeepsie Poughkeepsie area is that one of the kids that died like no his older brother that was the wrestler smelly lived right two of them live but there's the third one that died right or one of them ended up dying. I think just the one that was like who's like so nice. There's a La Belle in this movie we are also powering through and I'm like distracted talking about another documentary. It's like well. Why don't we finish talking about rapid so you know they? They're fucking. They go to Frank's house so they're driving to the Fed guy's house beautiful southern California home in Chicago and they're like powers boothe Zeiger. I be good son now and don't you do nothing wrong and he immediately opens the door and fucking kicks him Ella rose him into a fucking like pick out a toy for under ten dollars are no happy meal happy meal now Jake Jake Yeah so they convince lost ten minutes of video video game time no ipad on the flight back to California because we're not there now right so this the Fed flips again like fake flips within this or like yeah so Jake's dad cakes him out of the room and plays the tape for frank of him being fucking dirty fed ah frank you gotta go into the and this is where they had not this is where they come up with a plan for the restaurant so you guys really working with them. Frank is really with the police now yeah I mean he's protecting and I I think this is like kind of a slick move by Mesa Ryan of like listen. I'm not gonNA fucking press charges. Just help me get this guy and you're like he makes a legit deal and his tape goes away but he wants to know where the shipments mints coming because he wants to bus him in the act cell. He wants to get tau he wants. He wants a bulletproof case against Tommy TAP. Yeah except you know answer on like the guy at the F._B._I.. Guys like I only Serano knows was worthy shipments coming in and so they come up with the scheme where he calls Serano and sets up so the Fed Guy Calls Toronto and wants to talk to Serano and says like hey. I'm going to hand them off to you personally right so everything's in fucking in motion were setting up for this big fucking showdown at the restaurant they talk about the plan a little bit they showing Alley Carla has a full fucking mockup of the office very sits. I know everything about you so the all the pipe laid about her beating intelligence officers paid off now and it means I know the lay out of restaurants yes yes you can pay once this women was there used to be the less time on your feet yoga yeah. She's also very this is one. I was like Oh Brandon. Lee must be very small because she doesn't hold a gun well L. because she's very very tiny and I think they wanted an actress. That was smaller than him. Yeah she looks in the one shootout she does get in at the laundromat it. It looks weird. They like they give her any training like Framer Roemer from down below so she looks she used to like double for kids in like when you know movies where they have to get around the child labor like proportions easing goonies like sliding down the slides and shit like a little like a Yellow Rain Jack Track and then turns around with like an old face. Oh some weird shit's going on absolutely terrified. I think there's like oh big animal like on top of my air-conditioning. That's probably what's going on. Something just sniffed the window. The Baba Duke just Argh oil with the branly phase me do desire which is why won't go to trader. Joe's the Bob Duke is there the Bava dukes interest there. I don't think people were listening talking about that. candyman stuff that was on the podcast on the Holy Shit. We wasn't now you got me confused yeah because it was like talking about Berating Kevin Bacon No. I don't think it's weird that we got to it. Yeah I mean people were listening to it but it was reported to be people aren't listening to this so Franken the signal for the cops to move in no matter what they won't do it only if this is said no matter how awful things sound he has to say. It's nice doing business with you but but I didn't do any business with you. It's like literally responses. I forgot that that was the code word the second time he says God. This is really melting down reminds me of the naked gun thing and I love it. I mean sweating raw sewage and I love it. What about wrongfully accused you like that? Do I come up. We have to do better than the fugitive the future. What are you better than future because it's like the fugitive buffon the fugitives a parody of the series it would be pretty good if it was serious so fucking powers boothe as kind of a great line at Karla was like I know you got the hots for a McKee? Keep your like self together keeping your pants. You're my daughter. Fuck your brother daughter my wife the fuck a bowling ball. I'm doing fine a bit after surround over ten years the same amount of holes as my wife. They tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong but the Mana orifices wait. Can we please get to the kind of weapons that are in this restaurant so the teams in place we got snipers. Surrounding the building snipers are played exclusive by actual fifth year olds like they're like around those got religion Gimme the word now send them. There was maker so does Rondo Rondo puts on gloves to punch Jake so the hand off takes place jake goes in and then he's got this weird like health thing that he's been like where he's like bad posture 'cause every health problem in America he's been bringing at this is like the third of those lines which is kind of like you know stallone's mad about that. I heard that guy always right. Why are we making them a bad guy? You should be the good guy is a hero for the Buddha's real thick absolutely so we gotta keep referencing posture so everyone seems like they're six feet tall so a one of my favorite characters dislike mullet jerry curl like waiter comes up to give the Fed guy money and he's like a bodybuilder fucking amazing haircut and they do the hand off and but Franks keeps wanting to get serano alone <hes> because they're trying to get the shot on them or some. He's like it's finally does. He's like the bureau knows about the hand you let's go into my office. Is Tomorrow Night Chinatown town midnight purchase wow. Could it be anymore obvious. Couldn't we just guess should we in Chinatown midnight every night for a little Chinese guys. Probably you know important China amount in in Chinatown. That's all the more specific than that has to be like a placeholder that they're like fuck. It is and they say like you know port three whatever the fog and the Fed guys like now I'm sorry I know this is Chinatown Chicago or L. A.. I keep forgetting what city were so key as frank four like what he's like. He tells frank like Hey. The feds are going to be cool and I'm not GonNa pay you and frank like yeah. That's fine and that sets off. Serano Sorrento's like nobody wants something for nothing and then he gives them a big pat down and fucking somehow has the ability to pat off a Mike so winters loses uses the recording lost all decide to do nothing even though fucking both Jake has been attacked and it's lucky they didn't just fucking kill them. They did nothing now. They've no contact with their snatch. They still do nothing. He's giving the signals and we have to sixty five year old former baseball managers hiding with sniper rifles and then to three guys seen him watch three guys behind one car across the street and then a fucking U._p._S.. Truck full of fucking swatting is full of assistant football coach casting. Is I mean I guess they all look like Chicago. Cops Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's like a heavyset mustache guys v._F._W.. fucking Polish BERTA fee like thrillers grabs a machine gun guns down our dirty fed the cops fuck and finally move in snipers lost the shot. They can't take it. They throw shoot some smoke grenades in the good guys have like a fuck or the bad guys like move. Some paintings leans away and they have like a crazy arsenal already have guns and I will say the variety of guns in this movie. It makes no sense for even one gang to have that many different guns. You know what I mean like. Who'd be like you would get a shipment of twelve A._k.? And that's why everyone but instead there's like somebody has like the show repeating shotgun different guns underneath the plank bills area and level variety shootout in the alleyway. A guy had a fucking grenade launcher so fucking Jake's fucking kick ass. He starts kicking dudes. He's sort of like the second floor of this restaurant or it's almost like the stairwell and on the I floor like guys are like just fucking shooting out of the windows. Jay Tries to exit and a guy gets jake in his sights and one of the snipers takes that dude. That's fucking pretty cool. He flipped he does this move. Where a guy with a shock on gets in his face? He grabs the shock on another guy with a shock on sites him up. He flips over the guy. He's doing with the guy he flips over gets shot. He takes his shock on A. and shoots the guy who just shot at him. I don't know if that was a good job explaining it but let's fucking off the only thing that you could you know it's the kind of thing you can only learn from like drawn pussies and U._C._l._A.. Focus where you can draw draw an accurate Pussy fucking dragon I know he knows how to do. flips had a fire and load shotguns super easily with a great name. No disdain for like nothing affects a murderer wise so jake gets jake. It's unlike bladder in the face one of those sliding ladders for high shelves out like bookstores and libraries and shit or in this case a fucking Nice P- shitty bar and it's Sorrento's number two guy from last boy scout he picks subject slides Barsky exactly. I wonder if he's going to do the sliding across the whole bar across the whole bar lasts he killed Jake kicks out of a load bearing. I'd like pillar and the whole bar falls on this guy the whole fucking like roof of this ball so cool yeah looks great somehow it by the way during this part eighty year old man has set up a a twin m sixty machine gun mount. That's what's the guy who choked out Steven Seagal. Yes the value. Oh yeah the fucking crazy stunt man but it's funny that they have this gun in Italian back home from fully mounted like the guy in a gun. That's on like a swat shows they go. This is where he goes. Call in the second wave. When the big machine comes out there spraying brain the car that the three are hiding behind he goes call in the second wave and I don't know who's driving the car in the second way but they turn the corner like keystone cops swerving all over the road they drive directly into the line of fire where they're getting the car sprayed then they all start just climbing out randomly and they're getting gunned down? I'm like what is this not very good for the Chicago. Police Department powers boothe has like a weird little fake team ignition is interesting so many guys got killed to take down this heroin dealer fuck guy with exotic guns. I saw a couple of the guys that had like bayonets. Muskets on fucking Jake got a machine gun somehow and he you take some down the guy with this like fucking <hes> high-powered fucking belt loading turret gun and so he basically kills everybody inside. Tom Grabs Tony Serano and starts giving him his own lies like you're sweating like a pig man whoops his face a couple of time to give them big Albo drags him out and end of movie. He's eventually well. He's still got to come to terms with all the Shit with his dad. He's pissed boo powers boothe who plays them a tape for some reason. That's like yeah. We had all these guys. This was just a test for you now your. The man now you're really my son. Today's your name to Mace may slow race low low Mace Brian Shrimp Lo Mace you WanNa do like a prequels theme for your Bar Mitzvah so he punches Mace Ryan and fucking. Mace wants to get tau. Tommy Tau are fucking original staff fighter who we haven't thought about fucking our we do see him a couple of times in the next month is he's just like watching raids on his own lunch now. Jake just wants to go to L. A. But Karla got his DAD's army file which he's been trying to get for years huge red herring here. We'll give give it away. There's nothing in the file so in callers Jason by the files she's like what were you expecting to find like. I duNNo. They must have tampered with say he's six super cool dude. It still doesn't explain how I'm so bad ass. He's got a a couple of weird reads in this like he's like mad at one thing and then kind of okay with the transition from being like I almost died to this information about my dad. I've always wanted Oh. It's no information okay. Let's and then Carlos like hey he died. Doing we all die. He died for something he believed in. You should focus also do that kick in the worst guitar they start to fuck and it's the most awkward like sex scene between and put them to like the fucking heroin shipment and it turns into a montage is catching up with all our characters like it's not enough to save Aachen on his case. There's so much of his chest in this where she's like literally sucking on his nipples and then like kissing his avs all I Miss Ellie on getting into a cop uniform. Kill surrounded cut back and forth between very like awkward intimate soft light yes. This accent is rating the laundry mat and there's nothing there so his bus on on Tau is a Buchan is a bus and towels watching at towels. They're watching happy in town from Thailand. It's it's like Tau watching powers boothe bus not happening back to them like fucking medicines and Eliane takes out of fucking throwing star. They show a cop in the foreground like an O._T.. s you don't see what it is. Then his hand comes up. You see the Fed mouthing like no no no please don't begging on his knees and then you just see a Ninja Star come into frame and you're like what the fuck is the body he's got a Ninja Star in the neck and two years like Jake's ass or maybe hers. You can't tell really hairless with just four injection marks in it so it could be either one together together. We get to see some Nice boobs here. The yet to see a couple of sides very tasteful beautiful. Yeah Shot I love side directors marked for death and Ryan shows up next morning rhines finds their winter like staggers out of bed puts on a robe tells fucking Jake to hide so that she pretends like she's not in Buckingham. Even though Ryan is his dad and has already knows who's in love with who was on smell my sons come on. You know you gave my son. A big old. Boehner SOCATEL got one of those e t Elliott Boehner's last night. Powers boothe just comes just to kind of vent fucked up in my life. I wasted my life. Kid was read. I Love I love Macho until them but I can't because she's I yeah. She says I liked that. She goes you should tell him and he's like Nah. I can't we're joking about it the ship but he really does that like I really liked that done. The last time they interacted. He punched him in the face. The last time they interacted he literally attacked him to the ground up so much. I love playful yes. She's like why hasn't even add and and ship fully puts it out there. I Love Them WanNA qualify. You know really I don't. I don't think you're right for him. I don't want to really like him yeah. I don't think you should be getting involved with the COP over your number one fan. Are you know when he eats girls out usually choose them all all the way up to the abdomen with his big asthma. Did he go down on you last night. Did he eat your entire pussy and over. I got some J.. T. Shirts made guys so much the chance to show you can't be your heroes like that. My son is my hero unusual but my hero is big for the big swollen asks on getting your gas tank top. Take your shirt off freak. Yes Shit fucking shower in the kitchen again the frozen these sopping wet and Shirley's no my boy he never met a slinky didn't use for a shower. Have you seen his drawings so she's so he's got on his fridge. He's got all these dragons begins and nudes. He's I must so as he draws everything. He's a top of his art classes very imagining he's in college. Raza motorcycle art class in the foreground in the buff dragging in the background draws big buff dragons my boy nothing makes me prouder than to have seen him killed twelve people killed. He's GonNa kill more the huge fan of his. I'm GonNa Miss Him when he's killed in a freak stunt next movie Dad It is Your Dad. I don't think you should take this role in the Crow Jake. I got a bad feeling he's late night action boys recording does he go little trails pass his same way seven hours earlier a little bit normally record boy so fucking Mesa's all this made and he's like you know fucking Carlos like we're going to get towers like yeah right unless you want to get a job at the laundry mat and guess what that's what they do so they convinced jake to fucking put on a disguise and they wire mob and he is this like a straight up. This is a Bruce Lee Chinese next year. I'll say right because he puts the buddy holly glasses on so they're all set up and it's just the three of them. Empowers booths are just the family or so nobody knows about is we got no bag up my sons go. I will say there's a moment where he jake puts on. Those weird glasses powers boothe says something to him and he takes off the glasses to react like to give dramatic reaction. It's like those are prop glasses. You just put on like in the same shoddy but awesome and then he goes <hes> but stopped by the our friend from big trouble Eddie and he says he's Hong Long Kim walks brother and he was promised a job images letterman powers boothe had given a bunch of names like remember all those names and places I told you about and I think jake does a good job of like dropping to his knees to like make the other guy like super comfortable is like all right man just winners both winners and fucking can Ryan get get fucking kid immediately Y J flying laundry and then Jank it's in the she climbs up through the laundry fucking mechanisms and goes to an office this worry sees both Mace and Carla fucking getting on tied and and having a confrontation with Tau this legit video game thing. He's a moving platform above the bad guys like you were once a worthy opponent but now you've gone sloppy and you're glad we're playing chess macab. You're a bad guy. I'm AQAP your bag. I Ma son is somewhere near here. I could sense his charm <hes> and his plan <hes> Jake's plan at this point is to leap out of this thing land in as mashes through the office luckily for him when he does that powers boothe and whether or withers whatever name is able to think it's winters winters oh maybe yeah winters and they are able to unarm the to disarm the two that winters both says winners. It's hard to it's hard to tell because he's biting on a leather strap throughout the entire movie. This is a classic this big Action Boys Trump to the slight distraction in which the person who I'm rescuing you but I just distract the guy enough that you can kick the gun out of his hand and turn it into hand to hand combat that happens so frequently and this is a big moment that winds up fighting the dude who had the six shooters and the bullet bald guy trouble in little China on the yellow squad. Yeah the guy comes out with the shooters yeah fucking who has like bandoliers around yeah and then another dude like fucking takes out like Knox. He's fighting like he'd beat. That guy starts find another guy. Ryan shows a carton of some dude who shoots him three times. He's like I'm are he is uncurable in the winter you back and so and then he has this big like kind of death scenes like Gills. Give the ALAMOSA. There's a a lot of like people almost saying something but not being able to finish it in this movie like the rhetoric and follow through and figure out what the right what would be a charming thing to say in this moment about we haven't die in the middle of the centers. We don't have to come up with a break it okay all too well. When George die he had told me to become a patrol special so oh bad guys are burning the place down they started setting all the fucking heroin or they turn it into a final stage like setting like four individualize around torches <hes> and it looks cool so like what does numb chucks and throws a rag atoms this arm them takes another dude out with like like he screams in his face and surprises them takes them out then it winds up being Eliane and they size each other up and kind of do the shoulder fuck and like Lucy Nina? Let's see we both know karate. I think it's time to do it. The raid did that like sixteen. Sometimes Yeah Yeah Tau is like taking money and meanwhile they're having like a fucking out of hand to hand fight that gets intense around all these flaming cards of heroin. AL finely takes out a split knife cuts jake with Jake does a reversal and fucking stabs allen the stomach so he's dead. Tommy is running out movies is out as Alvin killed in all other because he's always is just a henchman like he's gotTa Play Cop and some movie where he lives yeah well. Let's we should like. Let's seek something. Let's do a special on him. Okay yeah totally will definitely get around to that we have we haven't even figured out exactly shadow wolves is yet. I'm getting guys gave signing up. We know exactly what it is queuing a baby. We never released for them. It's just just stopped releasing podcasts. We keep fucking putting up point break podcasts uh-huh keep doing commentary episodes where we eat thousands of wings. She's so Tommy Chases. Are Thomas Getting chased by Jake they got. They got to go across a L.. Train platform and Tommy gets across jake wait for the train to go cross. They both carefully go around the third rail so we all know that's it's like in the foreground and you can hear it crack like they like show. It'd be like once or twice. That's where that is be afraid this this is Chicago's deep dish pizza and the shot and Jordan and pippen or like those guys are fighting on the L. L. off to Evanston. Tommy POPs out from Pepsi Machine. It was good disguise like fuck. Are you Kizzie like fucking random art student killed all men are you in why is your head so and they and he knocks amount of the tracks and gets the upper end with them. We know you mean business and they get the two hooks that like they used to like change rails. I think are some like some fucking railway device gaff Hook you will use it to like pull a cargo over from the side of a boat or something like that yeah if you shots that are just silhouettes and like Brandon Lee looks like the Little Marionette from pee wee's playhouse in the heat maneuver so he's Got Jake pinned and jake maneuvers so so he hits so Tommy hits the third rail with his metal rods and he fries is that he finally lets losing gets hit by a fucking train. I will say that when they cut to the wide shot and he's got to meddle bowls. He's one stretching of third rail ones touching a non conducting service and he's like how's like this is fucking cool cool yeah. I wish he gets hit by the train. Does it die from electrocution. He's panting crazy like like had a train run into a dummy or something they look thought and it's gone. It looks very good so it goes back to the laundry mat which is burning down and Carla's like he's in there and it's his dad right so he's got to go. There literally says he's in there. He said he was going to leave and he didn't like. We want the conversations you have with them. Grab them then we have to hit the dad shit even harder pan flute starts to play as he enters the laundry mat and he starts remembering the one day of shooting they had at the back lop dressed does tenement square whereas now jake is in a diaper and bib and he's screaming. Papa Papa running through the fire has a number one dad had on he's sipping coffee from the kid my kid my son I love you like I had a good teacher you my dad. He really says I had a good teacher and it's you because you're my dad now. The we're a family of this movie year my daddy and I'm your boy and we're like she's just doing you to get to me your real case you know that yeah hundred sixty proof drake MIA. You'RE GONNA get fucked <hes> but don't drink me because I'm your dad you fucking freak can mask. You've got the funk I know I'm going to shock your head. Looks Normal normal more steroids to even out the size of your fucking wear such big Jack Helmet you can find what so they're fucking zoom out Chicago row credits again. The ambulance drives away. It is true. She's like Yep. I get the ambulance like are you going out. We're coming in of course. That's my dad in this my dad in there. I'm probably the only guy who could match fuck and kidneys knees or whatever he needs and then there's that weird part where the ambulance driver goes what happened to him and then he goes he was shot by a gun and then they zooms in Brandon Lee and he goes it was rapid fire so weird yeah. It's fucking weird. Movie called Rapid Fire title that you can put on and rapid fire. There's a lot of machine gun. There was a rapid fire to be fair. I mean it should be called like head on a bike by orange blossom cheat on pop pop. I love my son Chinese son Maranda matchsticks a come on guys. You're fucking throwing toothpick sat each other pieces Christ. Look at you and the Godfather Guca. We rate this bitch yeah. This is a classic action movie Gabor's. Put it to you. I where does where does rapid fire rank on your star meters zero to five stars Babes five giant Swollen Sunken. I'd strong Judge Stars Baby. Wow wow yeah all right rogers. Don't let that influence your your decision zero to five well yeah and you know obviously we called out a lot of the problems with this movie rapid fire starring Brandon Lee and you could say that Martial Arts Zara character in this movie specifically. I think wind sean is I didn't see it. The first time I watch movies but the third time I notice that there's a decent amount of martial arts yes you can not see it knowing that martial martial arts is a character in the movie you get a lot more out of a love letter to wing Chun. Everybody Wing Chunk Tonight Up Stars Five Stars staying rang back. I'M GONNA be Flinty and so the League and Maske real mask you give it five stars prisoners category of adjectives that Ryan governor from have you can victim where the pyramid title steely Flinty Maske recruited by the government to develop a coat decipher apparently when you're trying to Abi communicative no one understands you. I think you're the perfect guy. You're like a wind Gabor's. 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