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Kingpins

16:55 min | 1 year ago

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"How will and i are thrilled to tell you about another incredible. New park has two original called today in true crime. It's a daily podcasts that takes you back to the big events and true crime that happened each day in history and right now. We're going to play today's episode for you to hear tomorrow's was all new episode followed today in true crime on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts here it is we hope you enjoy it. Today is monday august nineteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy. John norman collins was convicted of the murder of eighteen year old karen sue bynum an outsider would have assumed collins poland's called handsome by the newspapers was karen's boyfriend that it was a crime of passion however despite being tried for only only one murder collins was guilty of many many more authorities believed he was notorious that collins collins was the ipse landy ripper welcome to today and true crime apar- cast original every day. We tell a timely story from true crime history then analyze the historical stoorikhel impact of that day's events. I'm vanessa richardson today. Were diving into the conviction of john norman collins. One of michigan's is most infamous serial killers while it was a victory for the justice system for one sergeant on the case. The conviction came at a personal cost. I do too the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Let's let's go back to washington. All county michigan the morning of august nineteenth nineteen seventy around nine a._m. At the end of the worst year of sergeant david lakes life. He got a phone call. The jury had had a verdict court would be in session at nine thirty a. M. david was no stranger to court but as he dressed and told his wife sandra the the time had come the thought of sitting in the wide wooden room repulsed him he wasn't sure which verdict was worse either either he and his task force would be proven right but his nephew john would be put behind bars or john would be declared innocent and and david had put his family through hell for nothing when john first came under suspicion david had defended him staunchly he it was just a college kid a good catholic boy former captain of his high school football team. Maybe he'd had a rough start in life but his sister-in-law did her best. He was majoring in education for crying out loud but over the past year the inklings david tried to ignore had grown to full blown convictions. No more women had disappeared in the time john norman collins was held in custody as much as he hated needed to admit it it was more likely than not that his nephew had murdered a woman in david's basement and he'd use who's david status as sergeant to help cover up the murders of several more david called for sandra to get in the car it. It was a hard day for him but even harder for his wife. Her sister would be at the courthouse crying over the sun. She believed to be innocent. She'd taken out a second mortgage to defend him. There wasn't much to discuss on the ride to the courthouse. They both already testified against their nephew. But how couldn't they last summer. They'd gone on an innocent vacation to perfect summer weeks in madison wisconsin and lake michigan while john stayed at their house to watch the german shepherd before they left sandra gave david in their boys haircuts in the basement meant all part of a normal happy family life but when they returned they found the basement floor repainted and their children's hair eric clippings missing from the trash days later. The tiny hairs were found inside the body of a murder victim. Karen keren sue by neiman karen was the latest in a series of uncomfortably similar murders all young young brunettes all found with clothing tied around their necks all tributed to the epsilon t- ripper though the earlier killings had left authorities. He's with no leads the circumstantial evidence in karen's nineteen sixty nine murder pointed directly at john norman collins and and the desecration of her corpse matched the six prior victims officially he was only on trial for one crime but in the court of public opinion opinion and the minds of the police collins was on trial for seven murders. David knew the months long trial was the most painful for karen sues family but that didn't make it any easier for the collinses and the lakes sandra and john had been close all his life and john had always called david his favorite uncle. John played with their elementary school kids all the time had replayed today would determine if david sons would ever see their cousin john again at washtenaw county circuit court judge. John conlon called those present to order. It was just after nine thirty a._m. And the air was still fresh from the prior fire evenings thunderstorm david sat in the third row next to sandra who'd brought a rosary in the front row her sister loretta collins had brought a priest john norman collins dressed like he was expecting news of a prestigious internship. Instead of time in prison remained into stonefaced at the defendant table. His hair was neat. Save a forelock that hung over his blue eyes evoking superman like his mother he maintained he was the hero of this story. The jury entered at nine thirty three a._m. As judge conlon asked for the verdict david held his breath it was career or family but truthfully no no one would win. Seven girls had died horribly mutilated the worst crimes he'd seen in his career. Nothing would would ever be the same. The foreman spoke guilty a collective gasp arose. It was wash of emotions betrayal disappointment shame sympathy sadness horror all overwhelming the proud twinge winge of we got him that usually made being an officer so satisfying loretta stared into the distance white faced and immobile. David's niece gayle broke down in tears. John had no reaction whatsoever. Judge calm lynn thank the jury and the court was dismissed ears ringing. David watched loretta. Throw herself on john. She wailed for her sons. Compromised compromised future ignorant of the bynum and family still in the room whose daughter's future had been stolen as loretta the cried and caressed her son. John remained stoic. He looked to sandra mouthed something and she grabbed david's arm suddenly ugly overcome with what she'd done by turning in her nephew when the marshals put john in handcuffs loretta gave david and sandra a look doc that could burn down a city. What had they done to her little boy the right thing they'd found justice for at least seven women and saved the lives of countless more but that didn't make hurt any less ah coming up. We'll talk more about how sergeant lake and the michigan state police taskforce caught the epsilon t- ripper now back back to the story a few weeks after his august nineteenth murder conviction john norman collins would be sentenced to life in solitary confinement with hard labour in reaction. He would speak more than he did. The full year a year prior quote. I think they conscientiously tried to give me a fair trial. The jury did not take its task lightly but i think things were blown out of proportion the circumstances around this case. I think it was a travesty of justice which took place in this court over the past six or seven weeks weeks. I hope someday that error will be corrected second. I never knew a girl by the name of karen sue vitamin. I never held a conversation nation with karen sue bynum and i never took her to a wig shop. I never took her to my uncle's home. I did not take the life of karen orrin sue vitamin. He would maintain his innocence for decades but after collins sentencing sentencing there would be no more doubt a short time into his life sentence authorities would decide. It's too expensive to prosecute him. For the other murders others everyone would agree. He's guilty and limited. Resources are best aimed at criminals who are still at large sergeant david lake aac would continue his distinguished career with the michigan state police promoting justice helping others and remaining an honorable man between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen sixty-nine john norman collins killed at least seven women women a college student himself. He lured his victims from college campuses targeting white brunettes. He seemed to reserve a specific hatred for women on their periods evidenced in his personal life and the profile of his victims collins tortured his victims beating in them up stabbing them and degrading them with objects and chemicals before strangling them to death each victim was found with an article of clothing being tied around her neck and her bodily cavities plugged collins has a strikingly similar ammo to another infamous serial killer the the unknown scotsman bible john who operated in glasgow at the same time both targeted menstruating young women sexually assaulted assaulted them and strangled them. The bodies were left in a way that displayed the victims menstruation and with an article of clothing tied around their necks ax. It's an oddly specific modus operandi and because bible john was never caught and john norman collins won't talk doc will never fully understand the motive behind it and while bible john is one of the most famous serial killers in scotland collins is is the most famous in michigan and he seemed to relish the attention. His crimes were given at one crime scene. He left an earring stolen from a previous victim victim at another five lilacs for each of his five victims so far he regaled co workers and friends with the gory details claiming he'd gotten an inside scoop from his uncle sergeant david lake but while having an uncle on the task force investigating his murders hers was a shield it was eventually his undoing by june nineteen sixty nine collins was losing losing control killing more frequently when his aunt and uncle sandra and david lake asked him to watch their house for a few weeks he couldn't pass pass up the opportunity to kill driving his motorcycle on july twenty third nineteen sixty nine. He picked up karen sue bynum outside a wig shop. In downtown abs landy. She had just finished her freshman year at eastern michigan university and accepted a ride home from the handsome some stranger three days later karen's body was found on the side of a main road horrifically mutilated in the same way as previous victims but unlike previous victims karen's body cavities were filled with hundreds of tiny hairs. When the lakes returned home they found black paint spots on the floor sergeant lake thinking like the police peace officer. He was looked under the fresh paint and found red spots. He called his nephew who denied ever using paint in the basement assessment. This only furthered lake suspicion some of the red spots tested as varnish but a further search found blood type a the same as karen's while in the basement police found hair clippings left from the lake boys pre vacation haircuts hair clippings that matched those found on karen it was enough evidence for police to bring collins in for questioning and then arrest him john norman collins was only twenty two but his graphic killings had already earned the epsilon t- ripper a lifetime of infamy for more information on john norman collins check out the episodes of podcasts original show serial killers wear my co host greg poulsen and i did a deep dive on his is crimes and psychology. I'm vanessa richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime. I am on spotify. Just open the app and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow. In in true crime today in true crime was created by max cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by max jackson ron cutler sound designed by ron shapiro with production assistance by paul libeskind maggie admire and carly madden this episode of today and true crime time is written by maggie admire. I'm vanessa richardson today. In true crime seems like a great way to start off my morning. I can't wait to hear more. You can listen to a new episode every day to hear tomorrow's all new episode followed today and true crime for free three on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts.

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Unsolved Murders: True Crime Stories

16:49 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: TODAY IN TRUE CRIME, a new Parcast Original!

"I'm really excited to tell you about another incredible. New park cast original called today in true crime. It's a new daily podcast that takes you back to the big events in true crime that happened each day in history and right now. We're going to play today's episode for you to hear an in all new episode tomorrow follow today in true crime for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts. I hope you enjoy it. Today is monday august nineteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy. John norman collins was convicted of the murder of eighteen year old karen sue bynum an an outsider later would've assumed collins called handsome by the newspapers was karen's boyfriend that it was a crime of passion however despite by being tried for only one murder collins was guilty of many many more authorities believed he was notorious torius that collins was the epsilon ripper welcome to today and true crime apar- cast original every day. We tell a timely story from true crime history then analyze the historical impact of that day's events. I'm vanessa richardson today. Were diving into the conviction of john. Norman collins ends one of michigan's most infamous serial killers while it was a victory for the justice system for one sergeant on the case. The conviction came at a personal cost. Due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Let's go back to washtenaw county michigan the morning of august nineteenth nineteen seventy around nine nine a._m. At the end of the worst year of sergeant david lakes life. He got a phone call. The jury had a verdict court would be in session at nine thirty a. M. david was no stranger to court but as he dressed and told told his wife sandra the time had come the thought of sitting in the wide wooden room repulsed him he wasn't sure which verdict was worse either he and his task force would be proven right but his nephew john would be put behind bars or john would be declared innocent and david had put his family through hell for nothing. When john first came under suspicion david had defended him mhm staunchly he was just a college kid a good catholic boy former captain of his high school football team. Maybe he'd had a rough start in life but his sister-in-law did her best. He was majoring in education for crying out loud but over the past year the inklings david tried to ignore nor had grown to full blown convictions. No more women who disappeared in the time john norman collins was held in custody as much as he hated to admit it it was more likely than not that his nephew had murdered a woman in david's basement and he'd used david status as sergeant to help cover up the murders of several more david called for sandra to get in the car. It was a hard day for him but even harder for his wife. Her sister would be at the courthouse crying over the sun. She believed lebed to be innocent. She'd taken out a second mortgage to defend him. There wasn't much to discuss on the ride to the courthouse. They both already ready testified against their nephew. But how couldn't they last summer. They'd gone on an innocent vacation to perfect summer weeks in madison wisconsin and lake michigan while john stayed at their house to watch the german shepherd before they left sandra gave david in their boys always haircuts in the basement all part of a normal happy family life but when they returned they found the basement floor repainted and their children's hair clippings missing from the trash days later the tiny hairs were found inside the body of a a murder victim karen sue bynum karen was the latest in a series of uncomfortably similar murders murders all young brunettes all found with clothing tied around their necks all attributed to the upset landy ripper though the earlier are killings had left authorities with no leads the circumstantial evidence in karen's nineteen sixty nine murder pointed directly at john norman norman collins and the desecration of her corpse matched the six prior victims officially he was only on trial for one crime but in the court of public opinion and the minds of the police collins was on trial for seven murders. David knew the months long trial was the most painful for karen sues family but that didn't make it any easier for the collinses and the lakes sandra and john had been close all his life and john had always called david his favorite uncle. John played with their elementary school kids all the time time had played today would determine if david sons would ever see their cousin john again at washtenaw county circuit court judge. John conlon called those present to order. It was just after nine thirty a. M. and the air was still fresh from the prior evening thunderstorm. David sat in the third row next to sandra who brought a rosary in the front row her sister. Mr loretta collins had brought a priest. John norman collins dressed like he was expecting news of prestigious internship. Instead of time in prison remained stone-faced at the defendant table. His hair was neat. Save a forelock that hung over his blue eyes evoking superman superman like his mother he maintained. He was the hero of this story. The jury entered at nine in thirty three a. M. as judge conlon asked for the verdict. David held his breath. It was career or family but but truthfully no one would win. Seven girls had died horribly mutilated. The worst crimes he'd seen in his career are nothing would ever be the same. The foreman spoke guilty a collective gasp aspe- rose it was a wash of emotions betrayal disappointment shame sympathy sadness horror all overwhelming whelming the proud twinge of we got him that usually made being an officer so satisfying loretta stared into the distance white faced east and immobile. David's niece gayle broke down in tears. John had no reaction whatsoever. Judge com lynn thank. The jury and the court was dismissed ears ringing. David watched loretta throw herself on john. She she wailed for her sons compromised future ignorant of the bynum and family still in the room whose daughter's future had been stolen as loretta cried and caressed her son john remained stoic. He looked to sandra mouthed something and she grabbed david's arm suddenly overcome with what she done by turning in her nephew when the marshals put john in handcuffs loretta gave david it and sandra a look that could burn down a city. What had they done to her little boy the right thing they'd found justice for at least seven women and saved the lives of countless more but that didn't make it hurt any less coming up. We'll talk more about how sergeant lake and the michigan state police task force caught the epsilon t- repor now back to the story a few weeks after his august nineteenth murder conviction john norman collins would be sentenced to life in solitary confinement with hard labour in reaction. He would speak more than when he did. The full year prior quote. I think they conscientiously tried to give me a fair trial. The jury did not take its task lightly lightly but i think things were blown out of proportion the circumstances around this case. I think it was a travesty of justice which took place in this court over for the past six or seven weeks. I hope someday that error will be corrected second. I never knew a girl by the name of karen sue bynum men. I never held a conversation with karen sue vitamin. I never took her to a wig shop. I never took her to my uncle's home. I did not take take the life of karen sue vitamin he would maintain his innocence for decades but but after collins sentencing there would be no more doubt a short time into his life sentence authorities would decide. It's too expensive to prosecute prosecute him for the other murders. Everyone would agree he's guilty and limited resources or best aimed at criminals who are still at large sergeant david lake would continue his distinguished career with the michigan state police promoting justice helping others and remaining an honorable honorable man between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen sixty-nine john norman collins killed and at least seven women a college student himself. He lured his victims from college. Campuses targeting white brunettes he seemed into reserve a specific hatred for women on their periods evidenced in his personal life and the profile of his victims collins tortured his victims beating them up stabbing them and degrading them with objects and chemicals before strangling them to death each victim was found around with an article of clothing tied around her neck and her bodily cavities plugged collins has a strikingly similar ammo to another infamous fhimah serial killer the unknown scotsman bible john who operated in glasgow at the same time both targeted menstruating young women sexually assaulted them and strangled them. The bodies were left in a way that displayed the victims menstruation and with an article of clothing thing tied around their necks. It's an oddly specific modus operandi and because bible john was never caught and john norman collins won't talk will never fully understand the motive behind it and while bible john is one of the most famous serial killers in scotland outland collins is the most famous in michigan and he seemed to relish the attention. His crimes were given at one crime scene. He left an earring stolen stolen from a previous victim at another five lilacs for each of his five victims so far he regaled co workers and friends with with the gory details claiming he'd gotten an inside scoop from his uncle sergeant david lake but while having an uncle on the task force sources investigating his murderers was a shield it was eventually his undoing by june nineteen sixty-nine nine collins was losing control killing more frequently when his aunt and uncle sandra and david lake asked him to watch their house for a few weeks seeks he couldn't pass up the opportunity to kill driving his motorcycle on july twenty third nineteen sixty nine. He picked up karen sue vitamin outside a wig shop in downtown ypsilanti. She had just finished her freshman year at eastern michigan university and accepted a ride ride home from the handsome stranger three days later karen's body was found on the side of a main road horrifically mutilated added in the same way as previous victims but unlike previous victims karen's body cavities were filled with hundreds of tiny the hairs when the lakes returned home they found black paint spots on the floor sergeant lake aac thinking like the police officer. He was looked under the fresh paint and found red spots. He called his nephew who denied ever ever using paint in the basement. This only furthered lake suspicion some of the red spots tested as varnish but a further search found blood type a the same as karen's while in the basement police found hair clippings left from the lake boys pre previous haitian haircuts hair clippings that matched those found on karen it was enough evidence for police to bring collins in for questioning turning and then arrest him john norman collins was only twenty two but his graphic killings had already earned the epsile slanty ripper a lifetime of infamy for more information on john norman collins check out the episodes of podcasts original show serial killers where my co host greg poulsen and i did a deep dive on his crimes and psychology. I'm vanessa richardson today. In true crime is a par cast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify vise making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the app and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you. Our listeners listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network work and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help. We'll be back with a brand. New episode owed tomorrow in true crime today. In true crime was created by max cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by maxon ron color sound designed by ron shapiro with production assistance by paul libeskind maggie admire and carly madden. This episode of today and true crime is written by maggie admire. I'm vanessa richardson. If you like what you heard you can hear ear new episode tomorrow and every day follow today in true crime for free on spotify and anywhere else you listen to podcasts.

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Hostage

16:51 min | 1 year ago

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"Carter and i are thrilled to tell you about another incredible. New podcast original called today in true crime. It's a daily podcast that takes you back to the biggest events ensure crime that happened each day in history and right now. We're going to play today's episode for you to hear tomorrow's maros all new episode follow today and true crime on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts here it is we hope you enjoy it. Today is monday august nineteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy seventy. John norman collins was convicted of the murder of eighteen year old karen sue bynum an outsider would have assumed and collins called handsome by the newspapers was karen's boyfriend that it was a crime of passion however despite being tried for only one murder collins was guilty of many many more authorities believed he was notorious that collins was the ipse landy ripper welcome to today and true crime apart cast original every day. We tell a timely story from true crime history. Then analyze is the historical impact of that day's events. I'm vanessa richardson. Today's were diving into the conviction of john norman collins. One of michigan's begins most infamous serial killers while it was a victory for the justice system for one sergeant on the case. The conviction came at a personal cost. Due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Let's go back to washtenaw county michigan the morning of august nineteenth nineteen seventy around nine a._m. At the end of the worst year of sergeant david lakes life. He got a phone call. The jury we had a verdict court would be in session at nine thirty a. M. david was no stranger to court but is he dressed and told his wife sandra endre the time had come. The thought of sitting in the wide wooden room repulsed him. He wasn't sure which verdict was worse. Either he and his task force would be proven right but his nephew john would be put behind bars or john would be declared innocent and david had put his family through hell for nothing. When john first came under suspicion david had defended him staunchly he was just a college kid a good catholic boy former captain of his high school football team. Maybe he'd had a rough start in life but his sister-in-law how did her best he was majoring in education for crying out loud but over the past year the inklings david tried to ignore had grown onto full blown convictions. No more women had disappeared in the time john norman collins was held in custody as much does he hated to admit it. It was more likely than not that his nephew had murdered a woman in david's basement and he'd eight us david status as sergeant to help cover up the murders of several more david called for sandra to get in the car. It was a hard day for him but even harder for his wife. Her sister would be at the courthouse crying over the sun. She believed to be innocent. Can't she'd taken out a second mortgage to defend him. There wasn't much to discuss on the ride to the courthouse. They both already testified against their nephew. But how couldn't they last summer. They'd gone on an innocent vacation to perfect summer weeks in madison wisconsin johnson and lake michigan while john stayed at their house to watch the german shepherd before they left sandra gave david in their boys haircuts in the the basement all part of a normal happy family life but when they returned they found the basement floor repainted and their children's earns hair clippings missing from the trash days later the tiny hairs were found inside the body of a murder victim karen sue bynum karen was the latest in a series of uncomfortably similar murders all all young brunettes all found with clothing tied around their necks all attributed to the epsilon t- ripper though the earlier killings had left authorities authorities with no leads the circumstantial evidence in karen's nineteen sixty-nine murder pointed directly at john norman collins and the desecration of her corpse matched the six prior victims officially he was only on trial for one crime but in the court of public public opinion and the minds of the police collins was on trial for seven murders. David knew the months long trial oil was the most painful for karen sues family but that didn't make it any easier for the collinses and the lakes sandra and john had been close all all his life and john had always called david his favorite uncle. John played with their elementary school kids. All the time had add played today would determine if david sons would ever see their cousin john again at washtenaw just to knock county circuit court judge. John conlon called those present to order. It was just after nine thirty a._m. And the air was still fresh from from the prior evenings thunderstorm david sat in the third row next to sandra who'd brought a rosary in the front row her sister loretta collins collins had brought a priest john norman collins dressed like he was expecting news of a prestigious internship. Instead of time in prison remained remained stone-faced at the defendant table. His hair was neat. Save a forelock that hung over his blue eyes evoking superman like his mother he maintained. He was the hero of this story. The jury entered at nine thirty three a._m. Damn as judge conlon asked for the verdict. David held his breath. It was career or family but truthfully. No one would win. Seven girls had died horribly mutilated the worst crimes he'd seen in his career. Nothing thing would ever be the same. The foreman spoke guilty a collective gasp arose. It was a wash of emotions betrayal disappointment shame sympathy sadness horror all overwhelming the proud twinge of we got him that usually made being an officer so satisfying loretta stared into the distance white faced and immobile. David's niece gayle broke down in tears. John had no reaction whatsoever. Judge colin thanked the the jury and the court was dismissed ears ringing. David watched loretta. Throw herself on john. She wailed for her sons. Suns compromised future ignorant of the bynum and family still in the room whose daughter's future had been stolen as loretta cried and caressed her son. John remained stoic. He looked to sandra mouthed something and she grabbed david's arm suddenly overcome with what she done by turning in her nephew when the marshals put john in handcuffs loretta gave david and sandra a look that could burn down city. What had they done to her little boy the right thing they'd found justice status for at least seven women and saved the lives of countless more but that didn't make it hurt any less uh coming up. We'll talk more about how sergeant lake and the michigan state police taskforce caught the epsilon t- ripper now now back to the story a few weeks after his august nineteenth murder conviction john norman collins would be sentenced to life in solitary confinement with hard labour in reaction. He would speak more than he did. The full all year prior quote. I think they conscientiously tried to give me a fair trial. The jury did not take its task lightly but but i think things were blown out of proportion the circumstances around this case. I think it was a travesty of justice which took place in this court over the past six or seven seven weeks. I hope someday that error will be corrected second. I never knew a girl by the name of karen sue vitamin. I never held a conversation with karen sue bynum. I never took her to a wig shop. I never took her to my uncle's home. I did not take the life of karen sue vitamin. He would maintain his innocence for decades but after collins lynne's sentencing there would be no more doubt a short time into his life sentence authorities would decide. It's too expensive to prosecute him for the other other murders. Everyone would agree. He's guilty and limited. Resources are best aimed at criminals who are still at large sergeant david david lake would continue his distinguished career with the michigan state police promoting justice helping others and remaining an honorable man between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen sixty nine john norman collins killed at least seven seven women a college student himself. He lured his victims from college campuses targeting white brunettes. He seemed to reserve a specific typic- hatred for women on their periods evidenced in his personal life and the profile of his victims collins tortured his victims beating them up stabbing them and degrading them with objects and chemicals before strangling them to death each victim was found with an article of clothing tied around her neck and her bodily cavities plugged collins has a strikingly similar ammo to another infamous serial killer the unknown scotsman bible john who operated in glasgow at the same time both targeted menstruating young women sexually holy assaulted them and strangled them. The bodies were left in a way that displayed the victims menstruation and with an article of clothing tied around their necks. It's an oddly specific modus operandi and because bible john was never caught and john norman collins won't talk will never fully understand the motive behind it and wild bible. John is one of the most famous serial killers in scotland collins. Lynne's is the most famous in michigan and he seemed to relish the attention. His crimes were given at one crime scene. He left an earring stolen from a previous v._s. Victim at another five lilacs for each of his five victims so far he regaled co workers and friends with the gory details tails claiming he'd gotten an inside scoop from his uncle sergeant david lake but while having an uncle on the task force investigating his his murders was a shield it was eventually his undoing by june nineteen sixty nine collins was losing control killing more frequently when his aunt and uncle sandra and david lake asked him to watch their house for a few weeks he couldn't couldn't pass up the opportunity to kill driving his motorcycle on july twenty third nineteen sixty nine. He picked up karen sue bynum fineman outside a wig shop in downtown ypsilanti. She had just finished her freshman year at eastern michigan university and accepted a ride home from the a handsome stranger three days later karen's body was found on the side of a main road horrifically mutilated in the same way okay as previous victims but unlike previous victims karen's body cavities were filled with hundreds of tiny hairs. When the lakes returned home they found black paint spots on the floor sergeant lake thinking like the police officer. He was looked under the fresh paint and found red spots. He called his nephew who denied ever using paint in the basement. This only furthered lakes suspicion some of the red spots tested as varnish but a further search found blood odd type a the same as karen's while in the basement police found hair clippings left from the lake boys pre vacation haircuts cuts hair clippings that matched those found on karen it was enough evidence for police to bring collins in for questioning and then arrest him john norman collins was only twenty two but his graphic killings had already earned the epsilon nu ripper a lifetime of infamy for more information nation on john norman collins check out the episodes of podcasts original show serial killers wear my co host greg paulson and i did a deep dive yvonne his crimes and psychology. I'm vanessa richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime time and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true true crime on spotify. Just open the app and type today in true crime in the search bar at park cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow house to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help. 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Introducing: TODAY IN TRUE CRIME, a new Parcast Original!

Cults

16:59 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: TODAY IN TRUE CRIME, a new Parcast Original!

"I'm so thrilled to tell you about another incredible. New podcast original called today true crime. That's hosted by our very own and vanessa richardson congrats on the new show vanessa. Tell us about it. Thanks greg today and true. Crime is a new daily podcast that takes you back to the biggest events events in true crime that happened each day in history and right now. We're gonna play today's episode for you great. I can't wait to hear it to hear an all new episode tomorrow follow today in true crime for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts. I hope you enjoy it. Today is monday august nineteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy. John norman collins ends was convicted of the murder of eighteen year old karen sue by an an outsider would have assumed collins called handsome by <hes> the newspapers was karen's boyfriend that it was a crime of passion however despite being tried for only one murder collins lynne's was guilty of many many more authorities believed he was notorious that collins was the epsilon not ripper welcome to today and true crime time a podcast original every day. We tell a timely story from true crime history then analyze the historical impact of that day's events vents. I'm vanessa richardson today. Were diving into the conviction of john. Norman collins one of michigan's most infamous serial killers. There's while it was a victory for the justice system for one sergeant on the case. The conviction came at a personal cost due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Let's go back to washtenaw. County county michigan the morning of august nineteenth nineteen seventy around nine a._m. At the end of the worst year of sergeant david lakes life. He got a phone call. The jury had a verdict court would be in and session at nine thirty a. M. david was no stranger to court but as he dressed and told his wife sandra the time had come the thought aww sitting in the wide would and room repulsed him. He wasn't sure which verdict was worse either he and his task force would be proven right but his nephew john would be put behind bars or john would be declared innocent and david had put his family through hell for nothing. When john first came under suspicion david had defended him staunchly he was just a college kid a good catholic boy former captain of his high school football team. Maybe he'd had a rough start in life but his sister-in-law did her best. He was majoring being an education for crying out loud but over the past year the inklings david tried to ignore head grown to full blown convictions uh-huh. No more women had disappeared in the time john norman collins was held in custody as much as he hated to admit it it was more likely than not that his nephew had murdered a woman in david's basement and he'd used david status as sergeant went to help cover up the murders of several more david called for sandra to get in the car. It was a hard day for him but even even harder for his wife. Her sister would be at the courthouse crying over the sun. She believed to be innocent. She'd taken out a second mortgage mortgage to defend him. There wasn't much to discuss on the ride to the courthouse. They both already testified against their nephew but how l. couldn't they last summer they'd gone on an innocent vacation to perfect summer weeks in madison wisconsin and lake michigan while john on stayed at their house to watch the german shepherd before they left sandra gave david in their boys haircuts in the basement all part of a normal all happy family life but when they returned they found the basement floor repainted and their children's hair clippings missing from the trash rush days later the tiny hairs were found inside the body of a murder victim karen sue bynum karen was the latest in a series of uncomfortably similar murders all young brunettes all found with clothing tied around their necks all attributed to the epsilon ripper though the earlier killings had left authorities with no leads the circumstantial substantial evidence in karen's nineteen sixty nine murder pointed directly at john norman collins and the desecration of her corpse smashed the six prior victims officially he was only on trial for one crime but in the court of public opinion and the minds of the the police collins was on trial for seven murders. David knew the month long trial was the most painful for karen sues his family but that didn't make it any easier for the collinses and the lakes sandra and john had been close all his life and john had always call well david his favorite uncle. John played with their elementary school kids all the time had played today would determine termine if david's sons would ever see their cousin john again at washtenaw county circuit court judge. John conlon called those present to order. It was just after nine thirty a._m. And the air was still fresh from the prior evenings thunderstorm david sat in the third row next to sandra who'd brought a rosary in the front row her sister loretta collins had brought a priest john norman collins dressed like he was expecting news of a prestigious internship. Instead of time in prison remained stone-faced at the defendant table table. His hair was neat. Save a forelock that hung over his blue eyes evoking superman like his mother he maintained he he was the hero of this story. The jury entered at nine thirty three a._m. As judge conlon asked for the verdict david held his breath it was career or family but truthfully no one would win. Seven then girls had died horribly mutilated the worst crimes he'd seen in his career. Nothing would ever be the same. The foreman spoke guilty a collective gasp rose. It was a wash of emotions betrayal trail disappointment shame sympathy sadness horror all overwhelming the proud twinge of we got him that usually truly made being an officer so satisfying loretta stared into the distance white faced and immobile. David's niece gayle broke down in tears. John had no reaction whatsoever. Judge kolon thanked the jury and the court was dismissed missed ears ringing. David watched loretta. Throw herself on john. She wailed for her sons. Compromised future ignorant are into the bynum and family still in the room whose daughter's future had been stolen as loretta cried and caressed her son. John remained stoic. He looked to sandra mouthed something and she grabbed david's arm suddenly overcome with what she done done by turning in her nephew when the marshals put john in handcuffs loretta gave david and sandra a look that could burn down a city eddie. What have they done to her little boy the right thing they'd found justice for at least seven women and save the lives of countless more but that didn't make it hurt any less coming up. We'll we'll talk more about how sergeant lake and the michigan state police task force caught the epsilon t- ripper now back to the story a few weeks after his august nineteenth murder conviction john norman collins would be sentenced to life in solitary confinement with hard labour in reaction. He would speak more than he did. The full year prior quote vote. I think they conscientiously tried to give me a fair trial. The jury did not take its task lightly but i think things were blown out of proportion the circumstances around this case. I think it was a travesty of justice which took place in this court over the past six or seven weeks. I hope someday that will be corrected second. I never knew a girl by the name of karen sue vitamin. I never held a conversation with karen sue vitamin. I never took her to a wig shop. I never took her to my uncle's home. I did not take the life of karen sue vitamin and he would maintain his innocence for decades but after colin sentencing there would be no no more doubt a short time into his life sentence authorities would decide. It's too expensive to prosecute him. For the other murders everyone would agree he's guilty and limited resources or best aimed at criminals who are still at large sergeant david lake would continue his distinguished career with the michigan state police promoting justice helping others and remaining an honorable man between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen sixty-nine john norman collins killed at least seven women a college student himself self. He lured his victims from college campuses targeting white brunettes. He seemed to reserve a specific hatred for women on their periods leads evidenced in his personal life and the profile of his victims collins tortured his victims beating them up stabbing them and and degrading them with objects and chemicals before strangling them to death each victim was found with an article of clothing tied around her neck and her bodily cavities plugged collins has a strikingly similar m._o. To another infamous serial killer the unknown scotsman bible able john who operated in glasgow at the same time both targeted menstruating young women sexually assaulted them and strangled them. The bodies were left in a way that displayed the victims menstruation and with an article of clothing tied around their necks. It's an oddly specific specific modus operandi and because bible john was never caught and john norman collins won't talk will never fully understand stand the motive behind it and while bible john is one of the most famous serial killers in scotland. Collins is the most famous in michigan and he seemed to relish the attention. His crimes were given at one crime scene. He left an earring stolen from a previous victim at another five five lilacs for each of his five victims so far he regaled co workers and friends with the gory details claiming he'd gotten an inside ride scoop from his uncle sergeant david lake but while having an uncle on the task force investigating his murders was a shield it was was eventually his undoing by june one thousand nine hundred sixty nine collins was losing control killing more more frequently when his aunt and uncle sandra and david lake asked him to watch their house for a few weeks he couldn't pass up the opportunity to kill driving his motorcycle on july twenty third nineteen sixty nine. He picked up karen sue vitamin outside a wig shop in downtown insularity. She had just finished her freshman year at eastern michigan university and accepted a ride home from the handsome stranger three he days later. Karen's body was found on the side of a main road horrifically mutilated in the same way as previous victims but unlike previous victims karen's body cavities were filled with hundreds of tiny hairs. When the lakes returned home they found black paint spots on the floor sergeant lake thinking like the police officer. He was looked under the fresh paint and found red spots. He called his nephew who denied ever using paint in the basement. This only further furthered lakes suspicion some of the red spots tested as varnish but a further search found blood type a the same same as karen's while in the basement police found hair clippings left from the lake boys pre vacation haircuts hair clippings that matched approached those found on karen it was enough evidence for police to bring collins in for questioning and then arrest him john john norman collins was only twenty two but his graphic killings had already earned the epsilon t- ripper a lifetime of infamy for more information on john norman collins checkout check out the episodes of podcasts original show serial killers where my co host greg paulson and i did a deep dive on his crimes and psychology. I'm vanessa richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals is for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the app and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help buses to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow. In true crime today's a day in true crime was created by max cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by maxon ron cutler sound design <unk> by ron shapiro with production assistance by paul liebskind maggie admire and carly madden this episode of today and true crime is written by maggie admire air. I'm vanessa richardson. Did you like it. I loved it. I can't wait to hear more. You can hear a new episode every day into here. Tomorrow's all new episode followed today in true crime for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts.

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Captain Thomas Musgrave Pt. 2: Enslaved

Survival

1:08:25 hr | 1 year ago

Captain Thomas Musgrave Pt. 2: Enslaved

"On sunday october twenty third eighteen sixty four captain thomas muss grave climb to the highest point of auckland island his eyes were bloodshot with exhaustion and he had to squint as he scan the horizon he will the ship to appear. He'd made this his near daily daily ritual for the entire month of october musk raven his crew had been stranded on the island since january over ten months surviving off z. lion meat and what little edible vegetation they could collect but the sea lions had migrated for the season. They were running out of food. Thomas's grave and charles sarpi had sworn to send help if the grafton and her crew didn't return to sydney by april as the months on the the island passed. The promise of rescue was the only thing keeping the men going. Captain must grave knew that these things took time his uncle had to first notify by the government to organize a crew then it'd take even more time to make the dangerous journey from sydney to auckland island but even still they should have arrived by now as he stood on the mount looking out at the vast empty waters muss graves guts rankled with even deeper despair he had been able to ignore the truth for so long distracted by the tasks of survival but today he could deny it no longer. No one was coming for them. He would never see his family again and without him they would be destitute one by one they'd all starve to death in this horrible place and it was his fault. It was the price they'd all pay for. Musk graves greed greed welcome to survival apar- cast original. I'm your host irma blanco. Well and i'm tim johnson every monday. We'll take you inside incredible true stories of life or death situations. This is our second episode on captain in thomas musk grave who was shipwrecked on auckland island in january of eighteen sixty four last week. We followed muss grave and his five man crew as they searched for riches. After coming up empty on campbell island the men tried their luck hunting first seals on auckland island however a storm blue their ship into the rocky reefs surrounding auckland and they were stranded this week we'll track the crew struggle to stay alive as they wait for rescue you we'll see how they creatively manage their resources and the drastic action. They took to survive at par cast. We're grateful for you. <unk> our listeners. You allow us to do it. We love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening it really does help we also now have merchandise so head to podcast dot com on slash merch for more information in november of eighteen sixty the three the grafton set sail for campbell island. The captain thomas musk grave had accepted the treasure hunt at the request of his uncle. Apparently he was a fortune waiting on the island for a man brave enough to seek it. Thomas considered himself worthy of the task. Uncle must graves business partner recruited recruited his friend france while renault to join the mission he had experience prospecting in the australian outback and would know how to find the argentinian risk tin that reportedly filled the island englishman george harris twenty and norwegian alec mclaren twenty eight served as crewman. They also hired a cook. Twenty-three-year-old henry forges whose most distinguished trait was his lack of knows it was reduced to a thick red had scar when questioned about the injury. He claimed that he contracted an illness at sea that ate away his flesh terrified that it would spread to the rest of the crew. The captain marooned him on an island miraculously. Henry came across an indigenous tribe and they cured him but then he realized is that the tribesmen were cannibals worried that they only cured him so they could eat him. Henry fled across the island. Eventually another ship came to doc and they rescued him. This was only one of henry's colorful recollections reynald deemed in his autobiography that they were likely all fabulous fabulous but added. That henry was a fine cook. All of the crewmen knew it would be a treacherous journey but many ships didn't survive the raging storms of the antarctic convergence. The boundaries of the convergence are fluid but it's generally the area immediately above and below the fifty fifth parallel well south leading to the nickname the furious fifties the grafton wrecked on auckland island during one of these storms on january second eighteen eighteen eighty four much of the upper half of the ship remained intact perched close to the shore on the rocky reef because of this the crew was able to salvage lifesaving supplies and tools in addition a thirteen foot. Dinghy boat survived the crash completely intact. They were well equipped to wait for rescue to escape the near constant rain on the island. The crew immediately went to work constructing shelter. They pulled planks of wood from the ship for flooring and used pieces of the ship's mast for supports they put a post at each corner and lined four seven foot tall poles down the middle of the rectangular structure once the walls were built the center polls would support a canvas sail roof mass grave plan to build cabin style walls stacking cut logs on top of each other horizontally but he realized this method wouldn't work. The trees on the island didn't <unk> gross straight enough their trunks contorted from perpetual storm winds renault had experienced building huts in the outback where the trees were similarly misshapen. He proposed they harvest more wood from the rack to build sturdy frames then fill them in with log standing on end side-by-side everything everything could be secured to the frame with rope as the cabin came together rain all realized they needed some kind of fireplace fireplace and chimney the winter season would arrive in june with temperatures dropping to thirty degrees fahrenheit without a way to safely contain a fire to heat heat the cabin they'd either freeze or end up accidentally burning the wood structure down he had previously fashioned a rock fireplace and chimney in one of his outback huts using baked clay cement but there was no klay on the island in fact most of the ground soil was mixed with pete a naturally. I truly occurring flammable turf. It would fuel the fire not contain it raynal still too weak to take part in the construction sat by the fire while the other men worked tried to come up with a solution. What else could they use to cement the rocks in place then one morning while walking being on the beach the solution struck him seashells seashells a rich in calcium carbonate. This is also the main ingredient in limestone stone raynal knew that the egyptians used limestone to make lime mortar type of cement. It was how they built. The pyramids. In giza lawn mortar is made eight from a mixture of lime or calcium oxide water and an aggregate like sand or gravel lime is typically sourced from limestone or or sometimes chalk but it's a naturally occurring compound that comes from many sources like sea shells rain all spent an entire day walking the beach collecting shells in two big sacks with enough heat renault could turn the calcium carbonate shells into lime but this process call the calcining is typically done in a kiln because it requires very high temperatures reynald dug a hole in the ground and built a huge judge fire inside once it died down to the embers. He dumped several pounds of shells on top and buried it all with more dirt. He left them overnight to bake hoping his gambit worked in the morning when he uncovered the whole the shells were transformed he he wrote in his autobiography. This lime mixed with the fine gravel. We found under the rocks on the beach made a capital mortar for our mason's work. The the cabin fireplace and chimney were completed on february second eighteen sixty four exactly a month after the shipwreck musk musk grave suggested they name their small settlements epic white a native american word meaning near the great waters they made efforts towards domesticating domesticating the homestead building furniture constructing shelves and adding a window panes of glass from the grafton using canvas from the support sales sales each man's strung up a hammock. The used a few of the leftover planks fashion dining table and a long bench must grave made a captain's chair from an empty cask and sat at the head of the table. He also made himself small writing desk from a broken trunk. He stored all of his books. Maps apps navigational tools on it. He dutifully updated his captain's log with their progress. When his ink pot ran out he replaced it with sea lion blood blood collected on their frequent hunting parties as the weeks went on must grave and the crew grew more adept at tracking and killing their main source food sea lions even though renault's pistol had been recovered they continued hunting with their clubs instead of bullets except in the in case of young pups one shot from the pistol wasn't enough to kill a sea lion even for a skilled marksman instead the sound of the exploding gunpowder in powder spook them and sent them running or worse if the bullet hit a sea lion but didn't kill them the enraged and injured third animal was likely to charge the hunting party in response given the chance an adult sea lion could easily crush or mall the men they encountered turn up particularly humongous and dominant bull several times during their hunting parties because of the way he lorded over his section of the beach rain all nicknamed him royal tom the moment the hunting party stepped onto any part of what royal. Tom considered to be his territory. He was immediately immediately enraged. He was so influential over the harem of cows that surrounded him that the second royal. Tom sounded the alarm. The entire repack charged at the men the first time they met him. The men didn't flee immediately instead. They quickly clubbed a few of the smaller a younger seals then ran to the safety of the dinghy boat with their prize and furiously road away but to their horror the horde of sea lions followed followed them into the waves royal. Tom leading the charge. One of the cows leaped out of the water and locked her jaws onto the side of the boat alec mclaren clarin one of the crewmen smack the sea lion over the head again and again but she held firm panicking reynald drew his pistol and fired your two shots killing her. They watched her sink down into the water. Their hearts pounding the rest of the pack spooked gave up their a chase as they gained more experience hunting the sea lions. The crew grew more discerning in their targets. The first sea lion feast was revolting the meat tough and oily. They later realized that the bull was too old to eat his age and diet. Hi of fish added a rank taste but younger sea lions were much more palatable more than once. They claimed a suckling calf and considered the meat. Ah delicacy must grave compared the taste of veal one afternoon in the middle of dressing a bull. They'd already killed right now and musk gave they've heard the week cries of baby sea lions nearby in the woods. They followed their mu-lin cries and discovered three pups without their mother under under a tree. The baby's tried to flee but must graven renault quickly caught them when it was time to kill them. However the men hesitated in his autobiography rain all wrote. They gazed at us with terrified. I which seemed to implore our pity and ask for mercy we were much moved and greatly tempted to spare them yet forced by necessity to obey reason rather than sentiment. It was not without repugnance. I may say not without remorse that we went through the task of massacring the innocence in addition to sea lions the men hunted birds fished i in the river collected muscles and scavenged for bird eggs they smoked and salted the birds as well as some large pieces of sea lion meet to store for leaner times indeed they had plenty of food but all the men were losing weight and showing signs of malnourishment most of the time when we talk about malnutrition describing someone who isn't eating enough but a person can be malnourished even when they're not starving it simply means they <unk> aren't getting the right amount of nutrients from their diet whether that's calories or vitamins and minerals must grave described their typical fair as exclusively protein stewed or roasted seal fried liver fish and mussels. We got a young seal which we cut up and salted like bacon high protein diets kito instruct practitioners to eat only a small amount of carbohydrates things like bread grains and potatoes. Our bodies turn carbohydrates into sugar for energy but if there aren't enough carbs our bodies start burning stored fats. This process is called. All the kito says it's an effective weight loss method for many people but they also lacked the full range of fruits vegetables healthy oils vitamins mines and minerals that support a healthy diet without these their bodies suffered from an extremely incomplete diet. This is compounded by the physical exertion of hunting and surviving muss grave described possible symptoms of this in his log. I am getting as thin as a lantern and some bummed disordered fluttering and heavy beating of the heart which causes a faintness is troubling me the crewmen or also endanger of developing scurvy in a diet devoid of vitamin c. It takes as little as six weeks for the symptoms to appear in scurvy can eventually lead to death before for the treatment of citrus fruits was discovered in seventeen fifty three it was routine for ships to lose half their crew to the disease potato skins <unk> are a source of vitamin c so musk grave saved twenty of the potatoes recovered from the shipwreck and tried planting them in the ground but it was a failed experiment armament they rooted and then disintegrated the same thing happened when they planted some pumpkin seeds. They'd saved and some berries. They'd forged the the p._d. Soil was just too inhospitable for anything to grow if they didn't find something to eat other than meet soon the crew would lose all we'll hope for survival coming up a bitter winter arrives on auckland island birthdays anniversaries holidays. These are the important dates. Most people tend to remember but the podcast network remembers important dates in true crime in history every day. The new podcast original today in true crime takes you back to the biggest events in true crime that happened each day in history whether the crime crime is infamous or just plain interesting. There's a crime story for every day of the year august thirty first eighteen eighty eight jack. The ripper commits his first. I murder october third nineteen ninety five o. J. simpson is acquitted. November nineteenth two thousand seventeen cult leader charles manson dies is today in true crime is podcasts. I daily true crime podcast. You no longer have to wait for weeks to get your true crime fix with new episodes each day. Eh you'll never run out of true crime content again and be sure to stick around after the show to hear today's episode of today true crime. You won't want to miss it. Crime never takes a day off and now neither does podcast follow today in true crime for free on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts now back to the story in february of eighteen sixty four captain thomas muss grave and his crew struggled to survive survive on auckland island. They'd been shipwrecked for two months and while surviving were showing signs of severe malnutrition hordes of sea gene. Lyons covered the beaches seemingly enough to feed them for years but they're all meat diet was making them sick. They had to find some kind of edible edible vegetable henry forges. The cook wistfully regretted that he hadn't saved all the buckets of potato peelings he had ignorantly tossed overboard during their journey. Now could have been the difference between life or death. The men redoubled their efforts scouring the island for any kind of plant plant that might prove edible after weeks without luck and their fair share of indigestion. They made a discovery on february twenty eighth eighteen eighteen sixty four mass grave noted in the log. We have found a route which is very abundant all over the island and it's very good food food. It makes a very good substitute for bread and potatoes. There is also a great deal of sugar in it. According to joan druids book on the grafton island of the lost the route was a type of edible mega herb commonly referred to as macquarie island cabbage. It earned that nickname name from sixteenth century sailors before the causes and cures of scurvy were discovered the earliest wailers and seamen made it a point to stop at macquarie island about four hundred miles south west of auckland island to harvest a store of the plant they didn't know why but when they added the plant to their stews and porridges none of the crewmen ever contracted scurvy in addition macquarie island cabbage is a rise zome home. Some other examples of resumes are ginger rhubarb and asparagus. These types of plants have large branching root systems that spread out over for large areas resumes use their vast networks to store nutrients like starch both to help them survive in bad weather and to feed newly newly sprouted shoots. This quality made the plant truly a lifesaving find not only did it contain vitamin c preventing scurvy but the starchy roots provided the crew with much-needed carbohydrates rain all immediately went to work trying different methods of preparing the route route which he nicknamed sacree route because of its sweetness intesting he discerned that it was certainly edible raw but not very pleasant using the gimblett and a piece of firewood as hammer he punctured several good sized holes in a piece of tin then he attached the honeycombed medal to some wooden handles it functioned as a passable greater reynald shredded the saccharine root and mixed it with sea lion lard to form loose patties then he fried in oil crispy up the outside at first the men praise the root as a godsend but like so so many things on the island with enough time it lost its luster rain all later compared the taste of the patties to sawdust but he couldn't couldn't deny that the bland mealy route had saved their lives for now after only a few months on the island the crew of the grafton and had acquired many necessities to survive they had a sturdy shelter a source of freshwater and plenty of food now they just had to wait for uncle uncle muss graves rescue mission to arrive but that was still six months away at the earliest rescue crew would reach the island in september number but october was probably more likely it felt like an impossibly long time to all of the men when they first wrecked the task of survival collecting supplies building the cabin hunting for food had occupied the cruise immediate thoughts but now that those jobs were complete and their situation wasn't so urgent at left their minds clear for other morbid musings on april tenth eighteen sixty four musk grave lamented in his log along stormy dreary winter is before us without the slightest prospect of getting away and and how those dear ones whom i left manage to battle with the misery in which my ambition and folly has plunged them. I dare not think i am provided divided with a good shelter and plenty to eat and i should then think that they shared these blessings at least but as it is i know not to what extremities they may be reduced indeed captain musk grave carried the full weight of both his family's and his crews misfortunes rain all noticed noticed how withdrawn he became as the months passed on the island. He spent more and more time alone under the guise of hunting and keeping a lookout for passing ships ships morale is incredibly important to survival and it becomes harder to maintain the longer life or death situation lasts if faced with enough depression or despair a survivor might stop fighting and give in to their situation from his experience in the outback raynal was familiar with the impacts of low morale. He was dedicated to keeping everyone's spirits up until rescue arrived however he could thankfully he had over a decade of experience surviving in the harsh australian wilderness and therefore had several tricks up his sleeve after conjuring lime mortar from seashells and then using the putty to construct a stone fireplace. The men joked that renault. Oh was an alchemist or possibly sourcerer over the next few months he only bolster that reputation much to everyone's relief he made soap soap from ashes and seal fat though in his autobiography reynaldo admitted that he created out of dire necessity all of their clothes lows were so soaked in sweat seawater and sea lion blood they either had to thoroughly wash them or embrace nudity because the fabric carried what a tremendous odor but once they saw the smell their clothes still had to be replaced eventually after enough excursions trekking through the trees agrees they were torn to shreds rain all went to work sewing new clothes for everyone out of sail canvas when captain must grave tried on his own onset he silently praised his foresight to pack extra canvas for the journey he was vehemently opposed to the suggestion of open nakedness renault renault eventually figured out how to tam the sea lion hides soaking them in barrels of li- solution for several weeks until they were pliable then he a us the cured skins to make everyone another set of warmer clothes and moccasins one night crewmen alec mclaren and george harris jokingly challenged the magical now to make some kind of alcohol who'd ever heard of sailors staying sober this long. It was laughed off at first i but the idea stuck with him a few days later he constructed still to ferment the sacree route to see what it produced with enough time. The sugary starches broke down and resulted in a week beer. It was a wild success with the group and a huge boost to their attitude feeding off this achievement rain all wondered if he could distill the beer into something stronger like a saccharine route brandy. He built another still and tested his method. It was a success though didn't taste very remarkable and after drinking a glass himself renal realized he was introducing a dangerous <music> element into the survival party. The salary root beer was fairly weak not really enough to get drunk off of the brandy was another story what would become of their survival efforts. If the crew devolved into drunkenness morale already teetered on a razor's edge renault dumped the brandy out and told the rest of the men his experiment was a failure turn to vinegar. No-one pressed the issue. Perhaps satisfied enough with the beer and renault never retry it again. As the months passed the weather turned colder winter arrived in earnest in early june of eighteen sixty four several times. It's snowed by now. They tend more sea lion hides so reynald made everyone capes from the for but by the end of july the dead of winter on auckland island the sea lions suddenly migrated day after day. The hunting party returned empty-handed they had prepared for this possibility by smoking and salting several pounds of bird and seal. You'll meet however when they unwrap the packages they discovered that as the oil in the seal meat cured it made everything tastes like rancid fish but for a time it was all they had as musk grave put it hunger makes the most effective sauce as winter stretched on the weeks is passed in the same fashion hunt for food. Eat the food find more food. They were skilled enough. See line hunters by now that as as long as they could find a sea lion they were nearly always successful of course finding them proved more and more difficult on one of their expeditions sion's. The crew encountered. They're old friend voile tom. He was accompanied by only two large cows abandoned by the rest of his subjects by by now he'd been dethroned by a younger stronger bull reynald wrote royal. Tom recognized us and leaving behind his two companions onions. He advanced to meet us uttering as usual his roar of defiance it cost us a pang to kill these poor animals and particularly the old lion whom we had always respected but necessity prejudice and hunger threatened us. The situation was made even crueller by the fact act that because of his age. Tom wouldn't even be good meat but they were starving. Between the occasional seal their stores of saccharine wrote wrote and scattered jackpots of muscles and birds. The five-man crew managed to find enough food to survive the winter by the end of august spring was arriving and the sea lions returned must grave estimated that if rescue came it would arrive sometime in september or october as the days passed in this tantalizing hope came closer to being realized the entire group was energized with the return of the seals the the hunting parties went from daily to weekly much as before rain all made sure that in the wake of this activity the men's thoughts were occupied with something positive with his encouragement captain musk grave held reading lessons in the mornings using what few volumes they had at their disposal the the bible a couple of english novels and paradise lost rain all whittled a chess set and a set of dominoes after some experimentation and he created a deck of cards using some book pages and flour paste but like the sacree route brandy reynald didn't consider the potential consequences consequences of his invention must grave was a terrible loser. They didn't place any bets on the games. What was the point in a place like this but still must grave raged and sulked when beaten eventually after a particularly harsh outburst reynald tossed the cards into the fire destroying them still the promise of the rescue on the horizon kept their spirits buoyed as the weeks of september past must gray refilled at once hopeful and terrified each day that he scan the horizon looking for sales the question of uncle musk graves honor became more dire on october twenty third eighteen sixty four months grave wrote in his log that he'd given up his last hope of rescue rescue more than himself. He despaired for his family calling them. The victims of his misfortune the next two months were another another test for the group again. The sea lions disappeared and this time they didn't have the carrot of rescue to motivate them. When christmas miss day arrived on auckland island it was particularly disheartening for the men each one of them couldn't help but long for their families picturing the traditions editions they would probably never take part in again renault wrote. My companions were lying on the ground silent their countenances dark with the driest melancholy evidently they had been the victims of regrets as bitter and despair as great as mine nine for a few seconds. I considered the spectacle then in less time than it takes me to relate it. I felt a complete revolution working within me. Full of vigor reynaldo addressed the men they were not going to die on this island to hell with uncle musk grave. They've and to hell with waiting on a phantom rescue ship. It was time to assume no one was coming. It was time they made a plan to rescue themselves themselves coming up the crew builds a rescue boat and now the conclusion to our story of survival on december twenty fifth eighteen sixty four after nearly a year on auckland island the crew of the grafton realized they could no longer rely on the arrival of rescue ship if they were going to make it off this island they had to build a boat francois greenall proposed that they modify the thirteen foot dinghy boat which hadn't been damaged that all in the crash into something more seaworthy then the men could sale for the nearest port in new zealand two hundred eighty five miles away but the other men were hesitant reynald wrote some turned pale hale and were silent before the terrible prospect of venturing on a c. Incessantly vexed by storms others objected the insurmountable difficulties. Kulti's of such an enterprise captain musk grave was among the dissenters he had considered building a boat a few months before but he ultimately ultimately rejected the idea because to build something that could survive the trip. They needed tools that they just didn't have raynal ever the enterprising surprising inventor assured muss grave that he could make all the tools and nails required it might take some time but what else did they have but time and to build the necessary tools renault needed a forge. This type of hearth uses controlled airflow to raise the temperature of a fire until it's high enough to melt and temperamental the refu- different ways to raise the temperature but one of the most common is with bellows with this hand held pump the smith shoots a continuous stream of air in strategic locations feeding the flames with oxygen until they reached the correct temperature in perhaps his most impressive stroke of sorcery rain all fashioned a pair of accordion bellows from wood and sea lion skin it it was arguably the most challenging part of the forge to build and he tackled it in just over a week when he showed the bellows to the rest of the crewmen renault watched the hope return to their eyes. He'd earned their trust with this piece of craftsmanship. This wasn't another false promise. They decided to divide their labor. George harrison henry forges took over all of the hunting cooking and household duties alec mclaren produced as much charcoal for the forge as possible reynaldo and musk grave build the boat though from renaut's account their contributions may not have been equal. He recalled the day when he particularly struggled to manipulate a piece of metal in the forge scorching his hand hand again and again muss grave stood silent observing his ordeal never offering to take turn in front of the hot oven but then when reyna was finally successful must grave cheered bravo victory is ours look at the master blacksmith the most accomplished fleshed in his trade to work. Let us beat the iron while it's hot in another instance must grave became hysterical in the middle of punching holes the sale the color drained from his face as he held up the gimblett to rain all the sharp tip of the tool had snapped off. How would they finish the sale. Dale riggings must grave cried out. All is lost ray. Now couldn't contain his laughter while muss grave blustered renault quickly used the grindstone to sharpen the gimblett until it was good as new after nearly seven months of work. There renovations were complete. They christened the new boat rescue on june twenty seventh eighteen sixty five. They launched it into the bay test their craftsmanship but on her maiden invoices she nearly capsized even with the added four feet in length and extra ballast weights dinghy couldn't accommodate five men they were suddenly faced with yet another unintended consequence of renault ingenuity for the rescue mission to succeed. Someone had had to stay behind. It was a terrifying prospect. There was no guarantee the boat would survive on the open ocean and even if it did it could the men left on the island survive long enough for them to come back but if no one went for help they'd all likely die here. The men argued you'd over who should stay and who should go on july thirteenth captain musk grave made an executive decision. He francois renal and alec mclaren would attempt to sail to new zealand and george harris and henry forges would stay behind assuming they reached a port. They would immediately immediately assemble. A rescue crew to come back for george and henry. The young crewman struggled with his decision at i must grave wrote. They were afraid to to go yet. They objected to being left behind but in the end george and henry decided that they were actually glad to stay behind and not not have to sail such rough seas in a nutshell still they couldn't leave yet must grave could tell from the barometer level that another storm was on the way they would wait for it to pass and then set sail in the meantime they hunted as much as possible to stock george henry with plenty of food to survive on their own renault also agreed to leave the men his pistol and remaining gunpowder july nineteenth eighteen sixty five donned <music> sunny and clear it was time to sail the men sat together for breakfast at the dining table an epic white and prayed george terrace and henry ford accompanied the three travelers down to the beach to help them launch the rescue. The men said their goodbyes letting their emotions show show the last year and a half had bound them together in unimaginable ways renault admitted that he shed a few tears before boarding the boat. George and henry waved from the shore for a few moments until the rescue was out of sight then they headed back to epic white to wait captain musk grave man the tiller carefully watching the compass so many lives would be determined by the success or failure of the next two hundred eighty eighty five miles they passed one of their first crucial tests around three pm that day navigating through a minefield of coral reefs that jutted out just past the most northern tip of auckland island after crossing the rocks without incident they continued north toward new zealand muss grave estimated tomato. They were sailing at a pace of six knots an hour. It would take between fifty and sixty hours to reach the nearest port depending on the wind. The rescue rescue was proving herself seaworthy but also taking on a fair amount of water from the waves that broke over the sides one of the men had to stand by the pump hump and continuously bail her out and then just as the sun started to set must grave saw massive clouds gathering on the horizon is in there we're going to have to sail directly through a hurricane reynald described how gigantic waves violently tossed the small boat wrote writing they raised us up upon their huge backs to sink under a immediately and plunge us into the depths of their shifting abysses. Our course contained to be a series of ascents and descents of upheavals and depressions until we were almost dizzy. The hurricane eric kane continued through the night at one point the rain froze to hail and snow the men huddled under the sides of the boat unable to do anything else in the morning it continued to rain but the see was somewhat less agitated hoping to relieve their lingering seasickness rain all retrieved a package of roasted sea lion meat but it had gone rancid somehow the smell was so horrific they tossed it overboard for board and must grave lost his appetite for the rest of the trip that night the ferocious weather resumed its barrage of wind and rain. The rescue was battered by wave after wave at one point. A wall of water broke on the deck of the boat and threatened to capsize it. The three men's screamed in horror. Eventually the ship righted the storm continued throughout the third and fourth day of their journey must grave every now and alec were so seasick from the rough water. They couldn't keep any food or water down that three men lay on the bottom of the boat frozen from the icy rain delirious from hunger trying to ride out the weather finally on the fifth day july twenty third the rain stopped even better the men could see a landmass up ahead it gave them the boost they needed and they mustered the last bit of their strength strength to hoist the sail then with the port insight up ahead. The wind died and their sales went limp. It was maddening ending for rain. All he wrote it is true that we had our oars but we had no longer the strength to make use of them. We saw ourselves on the point of drifting out to sea and perishing in sight of port. He thought about how many days on auckland he'd been able to survive how much work working done to keep the men alive the struggle to build the rescue and now at the final hurdle he had nothing left to give unfortunately later that night the wind picked back up nearly twenty months after wrecking auckland island. They reached new zealand at at eleven a._m. The next morning on july twenty fourth eighteen sixty five the men sailed their boat along deserted shore desperately searching ching for any sign of civilization. Eventually they came across a collection of maori huts a white man and his newfoundland dog played fetch outside outside when he saw the three haggard crewmen. The man immediately rushed over to help them pull their boat out of the water. The dogs barking drew more the people out of the huts. They all swarmed around in the excitement. Alec passed out a few of the residents scooped him up and they all went inside side one of the huts. The men were each given a bath and a fresh set of clothes once they cleaned up the man from the beach sat down with them for dinner in his name they learned was mr cross captain of the flying scud. He was married to a maori woman and lived here with her family but was originally from england. His wife prepared a feast for the weary. Travelers pork cutlets fish potatoes and steaming loaves of bread between bites. They told mr cross about the shipwreck of the grafton and how they managed to survive the last eighteen months but before they could finish the story. All three of them were suddenly overcome with exhaustion. Mrs cross showed them each to a bed to lay down. They slept for twenty four hours straight. When renault woke up he realized that the floor was shifting under him. He was on a boat load again. He scrambled to the deck to find the captain. The captain in fact was mr cross. They were on the flying scud heading for inva- cargo. It was a bigger city with a larger port about fifty miles away. They would have an easier time finding crew there to retrieve george and henry from auckland auckland island when they arrived on july twenty seven the details of their harrowing journey quickly spread throughout invercargill the newspaper even published an article condemn musk grave pleaded to the local government for money to hire a rescue ship but because none of them were new zealand citizens the magistrate couldn't help nope but the newspaper published a follow up article on the refusal and several townspeople stepped forward to donate to the cause within a day they raised enough money to hire a crew mr cross volunteered the flying scud for the mission against the recommendation of the doctor captain musk grave decided added to sail with them to alec and renault stayed behind since they'd landed in invercargill reyna's dysentery had relapsed elapsed once again he could hardly stand let alone sale on the afternoon of july twenty ninth muss grave and renal said their goodbyes raynal wrote. I grasp my friend's hand and penetrated by emotion. I could hardly restrain. I saw him set out again. For the auckland's onboard toward the flying scud in the midst of the acclamations of an enthusiastic crowd for weeks renault our waited for months grave to return with the other men then after a month past rain all feared the worst finally on september fifteenth eighteen sixty five the flying scud had reappeared in the harbor as the news of her arrival spread through invercargill the entire town hurried to the docks to greet her rain all could only shout the same word again and again saved saved twenty three months after setting sail from sydney. The crew of the grafton was safely back on land but their reunion was short lived only a few days after returning from auckland island wind. The five men split up again. George decided to stay in new zealand and try his hand at prospecting he'd been tempted by rumors of newly discovered goldfield's renal alec and henry. Each took place on a cargo ship headed to melbourne australia. They all wanted to return to sydney as soon as possible. Captain musk grave had reunited with an old friend and inver cargo and sailed back to melbourne on his ship along the journey he told the friend about his time on auckland musk reveal that when he went back to retrieve george and henry he'd spotted smoke from a fire on the other side of the island when they went to investigate it they realized that there had been another shipwrecked crew living on the island at the same time however none of that crew had survived muss grave found only their bodies this discovery haunted muss grave as much as they suffered in their time on the island. At least they had all made it off alive. Captain must grieve made it his mission to keep any other shipwrecked bricked crews from perishing auckland island a few weeks after returning to australia must grave petition the government for funds to check the island for any additional survivors. He set sail again on october. Third eighteen sixty five to thoroughly comb the island and make sure no one else was a stranded there in addition. He placed a store of food and supplies inside epic wide for any potential future castaways to us. Who's he continued these efforts for the next several years returning three more times to both search for survivors and play stocks provision. It's in different depots on the island because of his dedication must grave story and the wreck of the grafton became very well known in australia. He even published his captain's log into a book castaway on the auckland aisles. It sold thousands of copies in both australia and england the the harrowing survival of his crew has been described as one of the most impressive examples of leadership and resolve. It's interesting that captain muss muss grave is remembered as the hero of the grafton and not france-soir in all it was only through rain all's cleverness that they were able to build the rescue ship the forge the fireplace all the practical things that save them but several scholars give more credit to muss grave simply because he was the captain reynolds's final contribution to the saga of the grafton came in the form of his own book wrecked on the reef. It started as a series of <unk> articles published in a french newspaper. They were eventually compiled and published in five languages. It was wildly popular. Christiane retaliate affiliate a french scholar argued that reynolds book had a significant impact on author jules verne she points out several links in verne's earns various publications most notably the novel the mysterious island it follows a crew of five shipwrecked americans on an uncharted island in the south south pacific according to morte this book haunted jules verne's imagination to the end of his career. It's understandable why vern and so many others would be captivated by the story of the grafton. It's a story of incredible ingenuity in the name of survival. That seems aims to impossible to be true. The remains of epic white are still standing on auckland island the final record of their struggle. It has been named a cultural landmark by the new zealand government and a world heritage site. Several artifacts are also housed in the national museum of new zealand including rooting rain. All's forged bello's in one thousand nine hundred seven the dundonald shipwrecked on auckland island because of the supply depots the fifteen crew crew members were able to survive for seven months until they were rescued by another ship. The new zealand government continues to regularly stock. The island with supplies is fulfilling captain. Musk's promise that anyone who wrecked on auckland would have what they need to survive. Thanks for listening to survival. We'll be back next week with a new episode. You can find all of podcasts shows <music> on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. Survival was created by max cutler is a production of cutler media and as part of the podcast network. It is produced by maxon ron cutler sound designed by kerry murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro. Oh paul molitor and maggie admire. This episode of survival was written by abigail cannon and stars irma blanco and tim johnson as promised. Here's today's episode of the new show today in true crime to hear all new episodes so every day followed today and true crime for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts today is monday august nineteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy john norman collins and was convicted of the murder of eighteen year old karen sue bynum an an outsider would have assumed collins called handsome by the newspapers was karen's boyfriend that it was a crime of passion however despite being tried for only one murder collins wins was guilty of many many more authorities believed he was notorious that collins was the epsilon not ripper welcome to today and true crime time a podcast original every day. We tell a timely story from true crime history then analyze the historical impact of that day's events dance. I'm vanessa richardson today. Were diving into the conviction of john. Norman collins one of michigan's most infamous serial killers while it was a victory for the justice system for one sergeant on the case. The conviction came at a personal cost. Due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Let's go back to washtenaw. County county michigan the morning of august nineteenth nineteen seventy around nine a._m. At the end of the worst year of sergeant david lakes life. He got a phone call. The jury had a verdict court would be in <unk> session at nine thirty a. M. david was no stranger to court but is he dressed and told his wife sandra the time had come the thought aww sitting in the wide would and room repulsed him. He wasn't sure which verdict was worse. Either he and his task force would be proven right but his nephew john would be put behind bars or john would be declared innocent and david had put his family through hell for nothing. When john first came under suspicion david had defended him staunchly he was just a college kid a good catholic boy former captain of his high school football team. Maybe he'd had a rough start in life but his sister-in-law did her best. He was majoring in an education for crying out loud but over the past year the inklings david tried to ignore had grown to full blown convictions and no more women had disappeared in the time john norman collins was held in custody as much as he hated to admit it it was more likely than not that his nephew had murdered a woman in david's basement and he'd used david status as sergeant and to help cover up the murders of several more david called for sandra to get in the car. It was a hard day for him but even even harder for his wife. Her sister would be at the courthouse crying over the sun. She believed to be innocent. She'd taken out a second mortgage organiz to defend him. There wasn't much to discuss on the ride to the courthouse. They both already testified against their nephew but how l. couldn't they last summer they'd gone on an innocent vacation to perfect summer weeks in madison wisconsin and lake michigan while john on stayed at their house to watch the german shepherd before they left sandra gave david and their boys haircuts in the basement all part of a normal a happy family life but when they returned they found the basement floor repainted and their children's hair clippings missing from the trash josh days later the tiny hairs were found inside the body of a murder victim karen sue bynum karen was the latest in a series of uncomfortably similar murders all young brunettes all found with with clothing tied around their necks all attributed to the epsilon ripper though the earlier killings had left authorities with no leads the circumstantial substantial evidence in nineteen sixty nine murder pointed directly at john norman collins and the desecration of her corpse matched the six prior victims officially he was only on trial for one crime but in the court of public opinion and the minds of the police collins was on trial for seven murders. David knew the month long trial was the most painful for karen sues family but that didn't make it any easier for the collinses and the lakes sandra and john had been close all his life and john always call david his favorite uncle. John played with their elementary school kids. All the time had played today would determine termine if david's sons would ever see their cousin john again at washtenaw county circuit court judge. John conlon called those present to order. It was just after nine thirty a. M. and the air was still fresh from the prior evenings thunderstorm david sat in the third row next to sandra who'd brought a rosary in the front row her sister loretta collins had brought a priest john norman collins dressed like he was expecting news of a prestigious internship. Instead of time in prison remained stone-faced at the defendant table cable. His hair was neat. Save a forelock that hung over his blue eyes evoking superman like his mother he maintained he he was the hero of this story. The jury entered at nine thirty three a._m. As judge conlon asked for for the verdict david held his breath it was career or family but truthfully no one would win. Seven in girls had died horribly mutilated the worst crimes he'd seen in his career. Nothing would ever be the same. The foreman spoke guilty a collective gasp arose. It was a wash of emotions betrayal trail disappointment shame sympathy sadness horror all overwhelming the proud twinge of we got him that usually really made being an officer so satisfying loretta stared into the distance white faced and immobile. David's niece gayle broke down in tears. John had no reaction whatsoever. Judge calm lynn thank the jury and the court was dismissed missed ears ringing. David watched loretta. Throw herself on john. She wailed for her sons compromised future ignorant the bynum and family still in the room whose daughter's future had been stolen as loretta cried and caressed her son. John remained stoic. He looked to sandra mouthed something and she grabbed david's arm suddenly overcome with what she done in by turning in her nephew when the marshals put john in handcuffs loretta gave david and sandra a look that could burn down a city eighty. What have they done to her little boy the right thing they'd found justice for at least seven women and save the lives of countless more but that didn't make hurt any less coming up. We'll we'll talk more about how sergeant lake and the michigan state police task force caught the epsilon t- ripper now back to the story a few weeks after his august nineteenth murder conviction john norman collins would be sentenced to to life in solitary confinement with hard labour in reaction. He would speak more than he did. The full year prior quote route. I think they conscientiously tried to give me a fair trial. The jury did not take its task lightly but i think things were blown out of proportion the circumstances around this case. I think it was a travesty of justice which took place in this court over the past six or seven weeks. I hope someday that that area will be corrected second. I never knew a girl by the name of karen sue vitamin. I never held a conversation with karen sue vitamin. I never took her to a wig shop. I never took her to my uncle's home. I did not take the life of karen sue vitamin. He would maintain his innocence for decades but after colin sentencing there would be no no more doubt a short time into his life sentence authorities would decide. It's too expensive to prosecute him. For the other murders. Everyone would agree. He's guilty and limited. Resources are best aimed at criminals who are still at large sergeant david lake would continue his distinguished career career with the michigan state police promoting justice helping others and remaining and honourable man between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen sixty-nine john norman collins killed at least seven women a college student himself self he lured his victims from college campuses targeting white brunettes he seemed to reserve specific hatred for women on their periods leads evidenced in his personal life and the profile of his victims collins tortured his victims beating them up stabbing them and degrading them with objects and chemicals before strangling them to death each victim was found with an article of clothing tied around her neck and and her bodily cavities plugged collins has a strikingly similar ammo to another infamous serial killer the unknown scotsman bible bull john who operated in glasgow at the same time both targeted menstruating young women sexually assaulted them and strangled them. The bodies were left in a way that displayed the victims menstruation and with an article of clothing tied around their necks. It's an oddly specific pacific modus operandi and because bible john was never caught and john norman collins won't talk will never fully understand stand the motive behind it and while bible john is one of the most famous serial killers in scotland. Collins is the most famous in michigan and he seemed to relish the attention. His crimes were given at one crime scene. He left an earring stolen from a previous victim. At another five live lilacs for each of his five victims so far he regaled coworkers and friends with the gory details claiming he'd gotten an inside right scoop from his uncle sergeant david lake but while having an uncle on the task force investigating his murders was a shield it was was eventually his undoing by june nineteen. Sixty-nine collins was losing control killing more more frequently when his aunt and uncle sandra and david lake asked him to watch their house for a few weeks he couldn't pass up the opportunity to kill hill driving his motorcycle on july twenty third nineteen sixty nine. He picked up karen sue vitamin outside a wig shop in downtown insularity. She had just finished her freshman year at eastern michigan university and accepted a ride home from the handsome stranger three he days later. Karen's body was found on the side of a main road horrifically mutilated in the same way as previous victims but unlike previous victims karen's body cavities were filled with hundreds of tiny hairs. When the lakes returned home they found black paint spots on the floor sergeant lake thinking like the police officer. He was looked under the fresh paint and found red spots. He called his nephew who denied ever using paint in the basement. This only further furthered lakes suspicion some of the red spots tested as varnish but a further search found blood type a the same same as karen's while in the basement police found hair clippings left from the lake boys pre vacation haircuts hair clippings that matched changed does found on karen. It was enough evidence for police to bring collins in for questioning and then arrest him john john norman collins was only twenty two but his graphic killings had already earned the epsilon t- ripper a lifetime of infamy for more information on john norman collins checkout check out the episodes of podcasts original show serial killers where my co host greg paulson and i did a deep dive on his crimes and psychology. I'm vanessa richardson today. In true crime is a par cast original. 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"Orthodox community according to The New York Post took to the streets Tuesday night defying orders to disperse and lighting a fire in protest of new state mandated restrictions imposed on areas, synagogues, schools, and non essential businesses over a covert nineteen search. One large crowd huddled closely together the Corner Fiftieth Street and Fifteenth Avenue at about nine pm as Community Activists Jesse. Tischler. Ripped Governor, Andrew Cuomo, and Mayor Bill de Blasio over the order that shuts down schools completely and limits houses of worship to ten people in certain cove in one thousand, nine hotspots. That so unconstitutional it totally is it's it's an unconstitutional violation multiple ways. There's the obvious violation of the right to assemble, which is right there in the first amendment and an obvious violation of another I member should protected right which is your right to religion. So both of those things being violated. And that's you know we've had some great religious pushback against this over the last several months. There were the southern preachers who were arrested for continuing to have services despite the so-called lockdowns and these mandates, and then also the Jewish community the Orthodox Jews in New York City, they have been protesting this for a while. This isn't the first time out in the streets. It was several months ago we were reporting that they had like I don't know at least a thousand plus people in the streets like real close together packed in tight. For a funeral actually. So I guess that's something that they do for their funerals and they weren't just they're not gonNA stop just because some government goons are saying stop and yeah, I gotta say I have a real appreciation for that. Yes you thanks for fighting back much of the borough park is subject to those measures the most restrictive, which also shudder so-called non essential businesses. The level of restrictions broken into three color coded categories is guided by coronavirus diagnosis data Tischler told the crowd after tearing his face mask quote it's called civil disobedience. We can fight back do not allow them to torture you or scare you. He said referring to the elected officials. So kudos. Yeah and the thing that I am noticing is I don't feel fear coming from people any anymore with we were talking about the The difference with with the mask I don't feel the fear coming off people like I did in New Hampshire most people seem to have the attitude. Oh. These stupid masks. Can you tell have you spoken to them not so much by speaking? To I hesitate to ply being being very aware. Of People like shying away from me in the early days. Like if I was mask lists, people would would be like, oh, like they had had to stand back that happened to me today dude very when I went to go pick up the the sandwich I ordered the pizza place they got two doors I was walking in one door dude with a mask on was about to walk out that door literally turns around and then goes out the other door no specifically to avoid me. And I've had it happened in the streets in concord within the last couple of weeks the toll free number here is eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three you can take control of the airwaves. It's free talk live. Hey, everybody confused about staying healthy and a crazy cova culture me too. But listen after all the research all the conflicting studies after all the squabbling there's one thing almost everyone agrees on its that. Immune. 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Dot FM. This is free talk live into. You can bring up anything that you want style in the toll free number is fifty, five, four, fifty free like freedom. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three with you. Tonight you've got IAN and nobody talking about civil disobedience when it comes to old mask wearing large numbers of Pacific Jews Orthodox Jewish folks in the streets there in New York City protesting shoulder to shoulder. So same forget about your social distancing bs were rippin these masks software throwing them in a fire they started fires in the middle of the streets. And just lined up in, burn their masks publicly, which is an amazing thing. you WANNA, comment you're welcome to join us here. One of the they actually apparently had they even gave one of their snitch stitches. They literally did according to one story a different orthodox man who opposed the anti mask crowd story according to Gotham Dot COM com was deemed a snitch and reportedly hospitalized after a mob of protesters beat him with rocks. His brother told the GOTHAM missed. He was severely injured and knocked unconscious was doing better as of Wednesday morning. But Hey, you know what? You're in the wrong place buddy. I'm not saying it's okay to to beat somebody. But then again, if this guy actually was snitching on people you, Kinda get what you. GET WHAT DESERT You put that out there dude. So that just get stitches universe gave it back to you. Tissue, who's one of the activists leaders there Hershey, or she tischler told the crowd, it's civil disobedience. We can fight back do not allow them to torture or scare you. He said referring to the elected officials one of whom actually showed up at another protest on Thirteenth Avenue Councilman named Common Yeager who spoke to the crowd saying quote we are not going to be deprived of the right that in that we have in America like everybody else in America the right to observe our religion. So clearly, this is one of the few counselors who may have voted against. Some of these. Kovic crackdown measures well, it's interesting. I wonder if he voted against them or if you just thought, they shouldn't be applied to his people because a lot of times politicians think the desserts things shouldn't apply to them in their friends. Well, regardless he was there and said some good things at the event things turned unruly when the crowd litter rubbish fire after midnight at the intersection of forty-six hundred and Thirteenth Avenue and then chased away to city sheriff's deputies who responded Oh. Yeah. That was. Footage. Video that yeah. Yeah. Was Sun Video. What what what happens? Well I I didn't actually see very much of of video. We should probably have a look at it. Okay. Well, I don't have it in front of me so. From but earlier in the night, yeager was among four Jewish lawmakers who released joint statement slamming Cuomo. Over the edict they wrote quote we are appalled by Governor Cuomo's words and actions. Today he's chosen to pursue a scientifically and constitutionally questionable shutdown of our communities. Let the science settled. His administration's utter lack of coordination and communication with local officials has been an ongoing issue since the start of the pandemic and particularly recently, as we face this uptick lawmaker said that even though they represent Cova one, thousand, nine hotspot neighborhoods, the Cuomo administration has left them in the dark leading up to Tuesday's decision, and again for those just tuning in the decision was to crack down on a bunch of. Different of New York City including several districts in Queens and the Bronx and basically disallow any businesses that are so called non essential from even opening. So if you were allowed to open up, sorry, they're taking that away from you again businesses restaurants you're allowed to have people out outdoors eating sorry that's not going to happen anymore. You can't even allow anyone to eat on your premises anymore takeout only. Every job is essential to the guy who does it exactly? And also brought up by the legislators was CUOMO's choice to display powerpoint images of New York's Jewish community gathering in Mass during his Monday. Press briefing quote governor. CUOMO's choice to single out a particular asked now. Gathering on Mass Okay Okay Gotcha Gotcha governor Cuomo's choice to single out a particular religious group complete with a slide show of photos to highlight his point was out. -rageous said the officials quote his language was dangerous and divisive left the implication that Orthodox Jews alone responsible for rising covid cases in New York state wow. Who actually think the masks have something to do with that? That's crazy that people think masks have something to do with what with that that whether or not you wear a mask is GonNa Affect whether or not you get this virus that's a great point I. Just I don't buy it well, and you know what here's something to back that point nobody headline from our very own Nashua New Hampshire substantial spread of covid nineteen now seen in Nashua according to health officials. Oh, isn't that special because Nash was the city with the most her coney of all the mask ordinances So not working if that's what you think's GonNa work, it's clearly not working well, if you've got something moist and wet moist and warm on your face than. You know maybe a collector. Yeah. So Things can collect a naked reproduce in that warm wet space. The story out of national coming from WMU are where the spread of coronavirus national is now considered substantial up from moderate according to national. Public health officials they said, they've been following the trend of rising cases. Note there's nothing about rising deaths. is in cases now or even go about getting people people getting sick. I think security is I mean I guess you're right that doesn't mean. They're sick. It's going to play testing. They've got antibody, right? That's a good point our new case they say. Per One, hundred thousand is about one hundred point seven, which is what pushed us from moderate community level transmission to substantial community level transmission. So what does that a tenth of a percent? Yes, one thousand. Constantino epidemiologist Angela Constantino said covid nineteen numbers in the rest of the state have been trending up for the past month at schools reopen and a weather turns colder. She said each individual cases having more of an impact quote that means each cases exposing more than they did in the spring, which in the long run leads to more cases. Yeah. Well, oh no people might get this and then beat it and then not have to worry about it. Yeah. National Public Health Director Bobby Bagley said showing this slowing spread depends on people following good practices, including washing hands, wearing a mask and practicing social distancing. And the decisions that I make personally are going to have an impact on those around me. She said Nashville had an ordinance in place requiring the wearing of masks when social distancing is not possible Bagley says, she thinks it's making a difference quote. We could have had more cases if we didn't have the mask ordinance. That's hard to measure. Thank goodness. She admitted that at least because again, it's but decided to settle you don't get to compare. The two different realities right. We can't compare what national would have been like without a mask ordinance, but we can certainly look at other cities that don't have mass ordinances and don't have the same level of incidence that national does. So I mean you really can't draw any kind of conclusion about whether or not the masks are effective. It suggests that they're not effective at all. Yeah or possibly counter-productive which a lot of people have suggested. I think there's a good argument for that. We had dave from Siobhan call in last night he did a test wearing he put a mask on he had some sort of an air quality. Measurement tool that he inserted between the mask and and his face I guess and. and. What do you know the? Co Two that you know you're you're breathing out is. At a higher concentration. And oxygen is at a lower concentration. If you are not getting as much oxygen as you're used to, and you're re breathing in the stuff, you're breathing out overtime that can't be good for you. I mean you're probably not going to Keel over and die tomorrow because of it but. You know you're almost certainly not going to Keel over tomorrow and die the Govan. That's probably true to. So. Again, the Nashville or got worse within recent weeks just a couple of weeks ago they passed a more severe ordinance which will punish not only business owners and the individuals who don't wear masks, but also just a clerk at the store. So you know the teenage kid behind the counter if he doesn't throw you out of the store or refuse to sell you things than he or she will be punished with up to one thousand dollar fine. Over the weekend Manchester was also labeled a red community by state officials, but has since dropped to yellow or moderate Manchester health officials say they can't speak to how the state categorizes case numbers without color coding as the city uses its own system. So Nashua is Manchester was read but now yellow Manchester has more of a population than national does it's like one hundred thousand or so in Manchester and be one, hundred and twenty thousand. Nationals like seventy or eighty thousand. So. Has the mask mandate a very strict mask mandate. Manchester does not have a mask mandate. Nashua has more COPA cases. Then Manchester does per capita so you decide what that means. Yeah, it's. It's interesting if you look at the cities where it's been worst. It seems like the like the cities where they've been doing more stupid stuff are the cities that are getting hit worse and it's hard to tell because. To some extent that makes sense but. I wonder if what's caused and what's effect indeed toll free number is eight, fifty, four, fifty, free. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three, I know I am not going to be told what to do civil disobedience I'm on the side of the Orthodox folks in New York City remember when you first heard about bitcoin. How long did it take you to realize this little project would soon change the world the you kind of wish you had gotten involved sooner. Well, now's your chance to be part of the next revolution in Money Inter coin is working to finally make crypto go train. It's designed to be scalable enough to support every day payments and even elections without the state. Bitcoin was originally supposed to be a peer to peer cash system. 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And is to say the government debt not talking about individual dead here is now projected to be larger than the US economy in the year twenty twenty, we'll get into that coming up plus your calls and thoughts about whatever's on your mind. Also, on the way, if we get a chance, the Thanksgiving co vid craziness where people having Thanksgiving's or going to be doing things like taking their guests temperature before allowing them inside the home as we goes because people are just constantly living in fear. Wow that's really sad. We go first though to David in Jackson Michigan listening to W. H. M. David you're on free talk. Live. We'll get good evening again then hi David. Have stuff is going down here with Governor Whitman or. And some individuals that now have been arrested evidently Alec said that. You touched on this earlier I didn't catch that. WHO the Alex. Yeah. Your call screeners Oh okay. Yeah. Yeah. We covered this in detail in the first hour of the show several men have been arrested. In Michigan because of an alleged plot, which we believe was cooked up by the FBI agents who had infiltrated their militia and managed to sadly co convince these dupes into going along with it. That's my. That's my speculation based on the FBI's history of setting up Muslims for fake terror plots. Sending Muslims Oh? Yeah. Well, they've done the same thing to to. To Muslims although obviously this group of people wasn't Muslim right they for the last twenty years since September roughly twenty years in September eleventh two thousand one have been making fake terror plots. And getting an like upset Muslim man to kind of come on board with it essentially setting him up to take a fall every time you read a story about the FBI busting up a terror cell or a terror, an alleged terrorist who is going to bomb something or kill somebody it nine times out of our ninety nine times out of one hundred. Is. Actually the FBI who set up in the first place and encourage them thing. That's exactly what happened here. Well, well, well, likely is not quite the factor but. Now now under trump's FBI or us. It's all the word properly systemic all of the F.. FBI. The FBI doesn't change much as the president changes you know that right? There's a couple of men that are being adjudicated right here in Jackson County evidently there's a judge here. That has. Already. Seen Them. Now, I. Don't know if it goes into that type of thing as far as. Muslims. But. What is have you guys covered the point of what would be either they're the demands of capturing. Are. A lustrous, highly esteemed governor whitmer. Stand it personally like why would you WanNa? Look if you're going to if you hated Whitmer so much if you thought she was indeed a tariff terrible tyrant and she has a terrible tyrant. I mean, there's no doubt just just like rest of the rest of the governors. In the United States and all these government goons day all our our little or big tyrants depending, and by the way, the supporters are apparently calling her big Gretch is there little cutesy name for her like you know like some big buffy boss. Well. I think. Yes she is wretched. There's no doubt about that. But these these goons they are going to keep getting away with the violence. By by the government goons. So eventually, somebody's GONNA push back. But if you were gonNA push back and I'm not advocating violence. But if you were going to do something like that, why would you want to kidnap this woman? Then you just have to keep her around. You'd have to like keep her alive and feed her and and talk to her and if why would you WanNa do that. Yeah. Wouldn't be my cup of tea. And You think the other people are going to want her back. You know they might just be like caper. She's is asked us well, whoever it is that second in command I'm sure we'll relish the opportunity to take over. Our highly-esteemed Lieutenant Governor. Garlic Gilchrist from Detroit. And by highly esteemed, you mean you don't care for this guy. No catch see that's the thing you take out one of these goons and then another one just comes right into their place. Thank you David for your call tonight I appreciate hearing from you and yeah I mean he seems surprised when we brought up Muslims. But this has been going on for two decades where the FBI has set up hundreds of Muslim men who otherwise had no means or no real interesting committing these acts but manage to get them ginned up into such. A point to where they were willing to actually agree to take a bomb into a place or to to kill a certain person that was never in most cases, their original idea or never something that they had originally wanted to do. They were put in touch with the FBI agents secretly right they don't know they're FBI, their undercover. They've put in touch with these undercover FBI agents who encouraged them, who actually radicalized them. Yeah and some of these guys seem to have room temperature I- cues. That's right. And I wouldn't be surprised if that was true this group. So, if you WANNA comment, you're welcome to join us here the toll free numbers eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free I gotta apologize. I did I got fooled by Internet fake yesterday nobody and I should have looked closer at it. It was sent to me by Vincent and I shouldn't have presumed that you know that he had done any checking on it but I went ahead and mentioned it on the air was a fake graphic of John McAfee who as you may know was recently arrested. Did you hear about? John McAfee the software tycoon of the the eccentric cryptocurrency advocate. He was arrested this week in Spain on charges in the United States of tax evasion and non-payment of or non filing of taxes. So he's facing probably the rest of his life in prison. If he's convicted and I I he has to be extradited from Spain but there was a post or what appeared to be a post to twitter from John. McAfee. At least that's what was sent me and it is not actually by John McAfee as it turns out the post itself trying to find where I put it here here. It says, the fact that Joe Jorgenson hasn't said anything about my arrests should tell you everything you need to know from allegedly John mcvie, but it turns out. That's not really John McAfee is account. It doesn't actually exist at officially at officially McAfee is the. The account that account doesn't exist I checked it after the show and so therefore, the response from the Libertarian Party. Account is also fake. The response from the Libertarian Party says can't do the time don't do the crime. Wow. Yeah. It doesn't sound like. I believed it though that's the thing it was plausible enough to me that somebody had gotten in control of the Libertarian Party's twitter account who is not very libertarian because the Libertarian party to me has fallen away from its principles over the years and is no longer the Party of principle that they were when I joined it back in around the year two thousand, and so that's that's how a good fake works, right? They it a good fake relies on. It being plausible and to me it was plausible that somebody at l.. P. National could be that nasty to to John McAfee on on twitter but turns out it was fake and so I own apology for that. See what I really WanNa see though on the purity angle is I want to see. The Democrats arguing for just straight up communism and the Republicans arguing for straight up fascism and instead of arguing for anarchism we could we could argue for. ARCHAISM, and we might get it because the other guys went to the logical extreme of their argument and lost their entire voter bay. It's. So. So we then by moderating a little bit, would have been able to pick them up. Toll Free Number is eight fifty five, four, fifty free. So apologies to the Libertarian Party for fallen for that Internet fake. But that said I would prefer to see them being more principled in their their methodology. These days I think they're better now though they got Joe Jordan Johnson I, she's been an increase. In in that direction, there's more coming up here. You can join US eight, fifty, four, fifty free like freedom. This is free talk live. Divvy it's been a pretty good investment for free. Talk. Live. Their ad campaign started in September two, thousand nineteen and from mid March to mid July. The values soared by ten times. 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Well, as you know the more money that or at least as you should know, the more money that you print. Means, there's more money chasing around more dollars chasing around the same amount of goods and the economy. So you're likely going to see prices go up. So we certainly know what is going to be expected. What has already been seen happening at the grocery store for instance, prices have been going up. Gasoline is a different story because there's a lot of substance subsidies and government involvement there. But you're going to like these also part driving this much since the. Yeah exactly because since the crackdown specifically. CNN Dot. com. Reporting that as the United States continues its struggle with the pandemic induced economic recession. No. CNN It was the government induced economic recession through pandemic. We've been through pandemics before and had people simply done it treated this one the way they treated all the other ones they had gone about their business and sick people would have say stayed home and gotten better and a few people would have died just like has happened except instead they forced everybody to close. And so things have been very very difficult and the country's debt specifically the US government's debt is not anyone's top concern these days, but there's going to be a price to pay. There's going to be a reckoning here. Even deficit hawks are urging a dysfunctional Washington and chaotic White House to approve another round of what they call badly needed stimulus to the tune of trillions quote. The US federal budget is on an unsustainable path and has been for some time said the Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell this week. But he added quote this is not the time to give priority to those concerns. Wow. It's never the time they say, yeah. Well, when will it be the time? Because now they're talking about tremendous levels of money printing. And spending, and of course, no way to actually recover any of those funds that's just going to get added to the The death slapped onto you know the few more Chilean here a few more trillionaire before you know you're talking about real money. Yeah. Although you know at least will be able to stay warm. We can take of money and burn like they did find Germany. It may come to that the winner has yet to set in here. So, Jerome Powell the Fair Federal Reserve chairman just basically saying yeah, it's unsustainable but yeah. That's what we gotta figure it out of any kind of what we built it for. So we're GONNA ride this thing we're going to ride it as hard and as long as we can however when the country eventually pulls out of its current health and economic crisis CNN, I got news for you. It doesn't work like that. You don't get to just bill trillions and trillions of dozens of trillions of dollars in debt and just pull out of it. This isn't going to be some sort of a process that is going to be even doable. This system is not meant to be pulled out of as far as this level of debt, it can't be done. Yeah. I'm really curious as as dead doubled by now I mean. By sense trump's taken office I. don't know you'll have to pull up a debt chart and take a look at that I. Mean it's definitely gone up dramatically I don't know if it has doubled since two thousand sixteen but but it's up I know there's a debt clock website nobody if you to pull that up, I'm sure you can find that information but on Thursday the Congressional Budget Office estimated that for fiscal year of twenty twenty, which ended September thirtieth the US deficit hit thirty three point three, trillion dollars or fifteen point two percent. Of GDP. Thanks to the chasm between what the government, which is six, point, five, five, trillion and what it took in. Three point four, trillion for the years. That's that's what the deficit is. It's a yearly thing. It's the difference between the amount they take taxes and the amount they spent as share of the economy. The estimated twenty twenty deficit is more than triple what the annual deficit was in twenty nineteen. And it is the highest that it has been since just after World War. Two. The reason for the huge year over year jump is simple starting this spring. The federal government spent more than four trillion dollars to help stem the economic pain to workers and businesses caused by sudden widespread business shutdowns and most people agree more money will be spent until the White House manages to get the COVID nineteen crisis under control but those people who agree with that statement don't understand economics. They don't understand that printing more money is not going to get you out of these problems. It's going to amplify them. Yet it's going to get a lot worse. The Treasury Department won't put out the final numbers for fiscal year twenty twenty until later this month but the estimates if the estimates are on the mark, the country's total debt owed to investors, which is essentially the some of the annual deficits that have crude over the years will have outpaced the size of the economy coming in at nearly one hundred and two percent of GDP according to calculations from the committee for a responsible federal budget. Let's put that another way. If, the entire GDP of the United States for one year. Were to be taken all of it. One hundred percent of it. If every single dollar were to be taken by the federal government and applied to the national debt, it would not pay it off. Wow F every single dollar earned and saved and kept by the people in this country were collected and put towards that debt it would not pay it. Pay Part of it it pays a good chunk of it but wouldn't pay off. These amazing Yep and that's that's you know would you call that the point of no return? It seems like a pretty good one. I mean we were probably past the point of no return prior to twenty twenty, but it's sealed the deal. Probably the left seem to think that if you if you just grab a hunk of money off one billionaire, you'll have enough to solve all the world's problems with it and I worked out. Well, I was I was actually. Looking into it today, and apparently, if you took the combined wealth of every billionaire in America, it would run the US government for only eight months before. And that means all the companies they own would be gone to A. 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I don't know who actually believes that but some idiot on facebook if you do, we'd love to hear from you the toll free number is eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free like freedom and of course, remember it wasn't just trump. It was all of them I mean they voted for this Ron Paul wasn't there to say no. So I don't know if anyone's said, no to the trillions of dollars that were punk Rand Paul did did he? Okay good I'm glad to hear that. but most of them, WANNA heddon rallied behind. This is definitely a bipartisan thing and when they print out the next three trillion for the next bailout package which they're working on, they just haven't come to terms there hasn't been enough log rolling and political back-scratching to where they've managed to come to an agreement on how much more money they're going to print and distribute to their buddies, and of course, you cut you a small check to make you think that you actually got something significant. Payoff for not bug Luoyang One, hundred, twelve, hundred, twelve, hundred bucks you think it's going to be as much next time. Well I. Don't know. But what does that come down to spend a thirty weeks per week? You mean I well, no, I mean we the total that we've gotten so far has been twelve hundred dollars. It spent thirty weeks. Are you asking me how many week like much that is I get out of calculator for that one It's not a lot. I can tell you that it's not a lot of money. Because if it was ten weeks, it'd be. What's that forty bucks? Forty bucks a week or something? Yeah. Forty bucks a week. For six dollars a day you can sponsor an American Six Bucks a day get you not much. You can't even buy a happy meal for that. Much right. You can't buy a hamburger and fries, but the good news is if you starved to death alright Yup as Cova that's true. The debt has not been this high sense or the I think the ratio hasn't been that this. The. CNN businesses the debt hasn't been that high since nineteen. forty-six they didn't have never been this. Yeah. Then have twenty, seven trillion or whatever the hell. The current debt is, what is it right now by the way? Did you? Get is twenty seven. I think it was. Let me let me check a good site. It's US debt clock Dot Org I. Got I. got it pulled up here. Yeah. Twenty seven trillion dollars is the current debt twenty, seven trillion. So last I heard that was like almost two and a half years of production. What's the GDP. Hey do me a favor and nobody checked out front door there's somebody there for me. Would you there's Somebody knocking on it right now. So the GDP well I don't have that in front of me at the moment. That's a great question whatever it is it's probably slightly less twenty, seven trillion because again, it's one hundred and two percent now of the GDP and so CNN saying here, the debt hasn't been that high since Nineteen forty-six what they mean is the ratio hasn't been that high since nineteen, forty six, which of course was right after the end of World War Two. The debt is the debt is the size of the economy today, and soon, it'll be larger than any time in history CR President Maya McGinnis set because remember the fiscal year ends on. September thirtieth. So the fiscal year of twenty twenty over. So the whole year of twenty, twenty isn't over but the fiscal year is which means some of the economic damage that gets factored in you know in this next bailout comes into play whenever that is that won't be part of twenty twenty fiscal year that'll be part of twenty, twenty one. So it won't I'll get reported even though all the payouts happened in the actual physical. Year of two, thousand, twenty, they won't all get factored into two, thousand, nine, hundred numbers. So the numbers for twenty twenty are over as of last week, and now they're counting all the money that's being spent as part of twenty twenty one. So that's GonNa help them sort of cover over this for a short period of time until sometime next year and also consider this nobody. The amount of businesses that have closed. Remember we talked about the yelp numbers that came out showing sixty percent of shuttered businesses are closed permanently they're never going to reopen. In, the United States well, what's that GonNa do to the GDP? Well, it's GonNa make it a lot slower to swear to recover right it's going to be smaller whatever whatever. So right. So right now they're saying, GDP or the debt rather is one hundred and two percent of GDP. So if the debt is seventy or sorry twenty, seven, trillion dollars that must mean the GDP twenty six point something, right I guess I guess. So although that seems. That seems high to me. It was twelve or thirteen last time I checked but could be could be okay. Well, we're we're just taking CNN's word for it. Here I mean they've they've certainly got plenty of things wrong In the past but let's presume that it's true. They're relying on numbers from the C. B. O. which stands for the Congressional Budget Office. So let's presume that's true and so if the you know the numbers twenty six in some some change, trillion dollars in GDP but yet sixty percent of the businesses don't reopen in two, thousand, twenty one. Would it be safe to say that the numbers going dropped twenty trillion? We're going to see growth in the GDP right from twenty, twenty, two, thousand, twenty, one, you're likely not going to see an explosion of economic activity if the crackdowns continue if the mandates continue if the business restrictions continue people are going to go out of business, Christmas time is going to be a time where more businesses close and more people are going to. Get fired Oh yeah. Am I right about that? 'cause a lot of times the end of the year you see businesses trimmed down their staffs just normally when they're going to have to down their staff because they don't have the people coming through the front door that they did before they're out of business and the number I'm getting for last year's GDP is nineteen. Real. GDP. Is One thousand, nine, hundred, trillion laster being twenty nine, hundred, twenty, nine, thousand, nine. Yeah, I think so. So it we'd we've not only exceeded that with the national debt we've exceeded that by a great deal like almost. while. Yeah. That's amazing. So yeah, I mean it is not a rosy picture on the horizon here I. mean the only thing that can make this situation better is if the government were to actually get out of the way, Let. Decide how to reopen and whip in what way to reopen with what or if any restrictions at all with their customers. Let individuals in business owners, decide this for themselves and let people come back in whatever way they feel is appropriate but these control freaks can't let that happen these governor Sununu using Governor Whitman Governor Cuomo's of the world these micro managers that think they know everything about how a business should be run they're going to continue to micromanage and they're going to micromanage their economy right into the toilet. We're all going to suffer because of it. Yeah. No doubt about that I don't I can't imagine how they can get out of this mess and. LISTEN TO WHAT CNN says about why this is a problem the problem with such high debt levels going forward is they will increasingly constrain what the government can do to meet the country's needs. Oh good luck. Sense when haven't they done enough. Sense, when has high debt restricted the government from anything but we're not going to be able to kill as many Iraqis, next year. We do without Iraqi corpse. That's the thing they can kill as many people as they want to because they can keep buying the bombs and the and the missiles and the the jet planes and and the aircraft carriers because they can just print money. Well, they can intil the value of the I mean the way of Fiat money. Government, goes bankrupt is the value of its currency hit zero. Sudden it doesn't matter how much money we're not even close to being there yet where. 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Well I'm I'm running a write in campaign for every elected position in America. You got explain now when nobody well vote nobody for anything because if you elect nobody to to do everything nobody isn't gonNA do anything ain't nobody got time for that. So it's not The problem of government. So, I I always hear it it. It's always like the Republicans that are like on the more libertarian side are there. Really know. What's the evidence. But like the you know what I mean I, don't think. None of them do anything but. I it's not it's not the Democrats that are that are trying to make. Like to get rid of the government. The Republicans aren't trying to get rid of the government dude, the governor the Republicans haven't even repealed a single unconstitutional gun law. I mean on on on paper they act like they're they say they do pretend to be libertarians once in a while. But they're lying don't trust I if you look at what a Republican says. One of these ones that are seeking office, for instance. You look at what they say. But it's only if you glance at it only if you listen for just a moment, if you listen for longer than a moment, then you'll start to hear the the warmongering. You'll start to hear the fear mongering about Muslims for instance, you'll start to. To hear them, who, yeah the attacks on people's right to control their own body the religious. Shoving that down people's throats. So you don't have to hang around them for very long 'til the truth comes out, and of course, the real truth comes out when they get elected and then as nobody pointed out they, they don't do Jack Squat to actually reduce the size of government even when they control both Houses of Congress and the presidency in the United States, which they did for several years. Talk about free markets but then they're all about corporate welfare. Yeah. There are load basically. Yeah. I do like Rand Paul I feel like he's the best politician I mean that's a really crappy award though to be the best politician I mean that's not really. Into shiniest? Turn. Or the best. Dancer. There there are there any other ones though that like? Thinker like I mean Joe Jorgenson is fine. Joe Jorgenson course she's not elected I like Justin. Amash. He's also elected now I think he's he's out. Isn't he i? Think he still in office and a end of. The term. Repairing candidate rain she is. Yes she writes I'm definitely devoting voting for her yeah but I'm not excited about or anything like that. I. Mean I went to her campaign appearance I don't think you were there. She shouldn't get you excited because she gets you excited. She's going to terrify most of the people that she need. That's not true. It is not true. She could be. Also many Americans do you think are down for straight up anarchy? While I'm not advocating straight up anarchy. Well, but but that's what you want. I mean that's what I wa- interest. I'm a volunteer in. Suggests American's do you think are up for straight up voluntary government goes completely away it depends on how you communicate to them. I haven't found a way takeda time where they're down. Eight says he supports it I support it back. I mean a lot of people. If you say in favor of human interaction involving being voluntary, they will say that that sounds good. Yeah and then and then they'll talk about all the government programs that they think will still be there. No, that won't be. and. Then they changed their mind. Yeah. No doubt about it. You can't drag people further than they WANNA go. But the fact is nobody Ron Paul was a very exciting candidacy and his was in two thousand and eight and two, thousand twelve, and he was very principled in the way that he spoke and he did a great job of communicating the ideas of liberty. Even despite you know his elderly years, he did a good job. He's still doing a good job. Out there and you know again Joe Jorgenson, she's not bad. She's definitely the best candidate they've had since the year two thousand since the two thousand presidential campaign and Harry Brown is a very principle of guy and very, very good at speaking very good at communicating the ideas of liberty and his principal of a manner as possible and I was very excited by by his campaign. I mean, would I joe Jorgenson sign out in the yard? Yes. I would am I gonNA go out of my way to try to get one no probably not. If somebody were to bring one to me I'd put it there. But I'm not going to get a breakaway what a Joe Jorgensen sign. Okay. Yeah. But I'm not going to go out of my way to try to figure out how to get one or spend any time on it because I'm just too busy for it honestly, and it's not going to be a big difference whether I do or not Well, I mean that's that's the thing one way or the other it. It doesn't matter because the the election is rigged the the the fixes in she wrote. Order to get into the debate Seattle happen she has to get fifteen percent on a pole that doesn't include her name. Actually I was called by a poll I think two or three days ago before the show it happened at like six fifty here right before we started. Call came in on the landline here and I took it and I wanted to ask a few questions and so I said, all right because you know I like to hear what the questions are and what the answers are. If I ever get a, you know if I ever get one of these things all take and I was surprised when they actually offered me the. Choice of Joe Jorgenson and not only that but they offered me the choice of Justice Donald Who's running for I think US Senate appears as a libertarian and it wasn't the Libertarian Party that was sponsoring the poll because I asked the poll taker like who was it? That was behind it it was like new. Hampshire. Or New Hampshire opinion surveys or some sort of generic. Polling Niyazi? That's what I'd named the corporation if I was doing it. I still think we should have done a Data poll where we where we asked who are you going to vote for for new support for New Hampshire government or are you going to support Karen? Tests. ADMIT OR NOBODY Leaves the new new out of it completely see how he does. Hey, aiming thanks for the call tonight man appreciate hearing from you. Yeah. Politicians don't excite me at all just as general answer to your question. What excites me is the idea of liberty minded people coming to the same place same geographic area I still don't think there's a better plan than that to get to more freedom. Now I I agree and I love to hear it. If somebody's got a better idea, I know the centers are still cooking up something out on I think they got like a cruise ship now or something like that. So I mean there are some interesting projects in play but as far as the ones that have the most mature the free state project. Migration. 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He passed away last week after a twenty year Major League Baseball career with eight teams to world series titles and one with the Yankees and the other with the dodgers also WanNa Jay Johnstone's biggest baseball moments came as a dodger. When he hit a pinch hit two run home run in game for the eighty one world series against the New York. Yankees and that home run rallied the dodgers from a six three deficit to win eight seven and that win also enable the dodgers to tie the series at two games each and the dodgers went on to win the next two games to win the world series. 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That's eight hundred, seven, three, zero, forty, three, thirteen. The consultation is free go to bright side tax relief dot com now. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Baugh. Willie Lanier joins us on sports byline pro football and college football halls of fame linebacker. He played his entire eleven year pro career with the Kansas City chiefs after playing his college ball at Morgan State and he was selected to the NFL seventy fifth and one hundredth anniversary teams after being an eight time all pro and the NFL man of the year on the Kansas City chiefs have retired his number number sixty three. Well, you played your high school football at Maggie l Walker tell me a little bit about growing up in Richmond Virginia. Up in Richmond was very interesting at that time do to Richmond having been at one time the capital of the confederacy. Segregation was rapid I grew up in a part of town that was the near West end and that was all African American. And it was an individual's who's lived where they live and I did what they did and a very separate society. So it was very interesting in terms of the dynamics because that. We have the the land. And the point that was always important to me from education standpoint. With that nineteen, fifty, four Brown versus board of Education which teams separate but. Equal. With, unequal non-constitutional. found that that was a county prince that what about fifty miles richmond? Than instead of complying with these frame courts eating. the whole county shutdown, all the school systems for five years African Americans, they had no school to attend. I'm fifty nine to sixty four and even though I was young. I was paying attention to all of that in quite couldn't understand. How that would be acceptable, and especially for people who look like me were not have to go to school for five years. So the farming of a thought. Before coming of education if along the importance of that. for someone who was an African American this. City at that time was pronounced only to. phenomenally black highschools Richmond Maggie. Walk and talk. Was On north and west side of the city on eastern South. Side. And that was the reality of life than Richmond. The late Arthur Ashe was a friend of mine and we had long conversations about Richmond Virginia and one of the things I remember Willie. He telling me is the fact that sports was somewhat of a savior for him. It was a shield against the things that you were talking about was flip all the same way for you. Know, it wasn't because football OUGHTA. Play here, and he was in school that may walk to you the same class as one of my brothers. And he had to leave here. In his senior year to go to Saint, Louis Sumner to be able to have better competition because he couldn't play against bites in Richmond area. So with that sport was sport you play. in leagues where everyone was black but infant merely after your season's over, we would go out to the park and somebody attended benedict team, which was all quite up schools. We will take a football out and play a little touch tackle against one another those enjoyed competing against young man. We did not have the opportunity to compete against because of this out to realities of those moments. So it was not one that you. Gold into it as a haven, Jay was something that you accept it for what it was and I try to make the best of it. How did you end up at Morgan State? That was interesting because I wasn't the highly recruited athlete coming out of college even high school even though I had. Some talent I wasn't that big relatively speaking. So I think I play my senior in high school at about one ninety, five to two hundred. And did. Not Have. Any solid scholarship except for Virginia State University which was. How'd you witness at College about twenty miles south of Richmond. So I had verbally agreed to attend that school. But MIT summer of the year nineteen, sixty pre. As I thought about four years later with. Business. It didn't feel good and times of being in central Virginia I'm a racial standpoint so. I school classmate amount of taking a scholarship offer from Morgan State, which is further north and migratory pattern that African Americans had constantly thought. Being in the south, you try to go further north for better opportunity. So I called a coach of Morgan state myself and. July I'm nineteen sixty three and I sat my name was willing to there and I want to attend school. He said signed north thing about what you need to know. He just sending the transcript and send some film. So I did that and he was intrigued. Greyhound Bus Not Baltimore? He's had had to take an interest example which I did and I school at the top ten percent incoming freshman class. So now even born to eight, but you say to me, but we don't have any money. I because recruiting was old I said I had to come asking for money. I will do work study student loans the whatever takes them either be here. I will be that whatever you need to do in the future based on my academic and athletic you'll do. And at that same time, God gave me about a forty pound. Increase in size over that summer. So hot started out the about two hundred dollars to forty five when I stepped onto Morgan's campus in. September, you played under head coach Earl banks and you are twice selected to the small college football, all America team and I remember a conversation I had. At the hall of fame. With Deacon Jones one evening and he said to me he said Ron. I never played against a white player until I made it to the NFL the black colleges, of course was at the same way for you as well. Yes, Sir I never not only play I can't pay. Quite play. I had not been involved with white people. Until I live in Kansas City when I was twenty two years of age having graduated from former state. So the the next of that comment from Deacon and myself. And Ronnie Lott now, great friends. We'll do some business together and I was thinking Ronnie. That it was interesting because he attended, you say he's twelve thirteen fourteen years younger than. That he grew up in integrated environment. So he grew up in, but he came to the eighteen and that gave him a better view of how the reality of life in an integrated society mine and deaconess. We've already twenty two. And you're trying to manage something in the midst of trying to be competitive, but also for the question mark in your mind. Was Fat and it's really a part of what was going to happen. Because you were already stilted by reality of society. Grown up your college. Willie Lanier is with us here on sports by we're talking about his life and his career I remember talking to Ronnie he and I had a similar background. We both came from military families. He was in an army family I was in an air force family and he said to me the fact that his dad was military they travelled around that that eased some of the. Connection between people because in the military The only discrimination that they found openly was do you live non-commission housing or an officer? Officer housing. What what he used it for you to be able to move in and be comfortable in the mixed races. It is it is it is more challenging. Sometimes you you. You'd think because at times that can be circumstances and I to go into the DEP net. By by. People in different organizations might think you don't have the full knowledge. And insight of of what things might go on from. A competitive standpoint from the salaries standpoint and they hands that they play. Can Be once they shouldn't play and and I found that that was An attempt to feel that there were setting advantages that could be taken because I come from a purely African American environment and that was the thought that maybe I wasn't as a student and show of self all reality of the marketplace business but because I was a business major. At Morgan State and I've done a senior class paper on ballistic aspect folks football because they had to be a Sherman antitrust exemption for those who leaks marriage and nineteen, sixty, seven, mock draft I, first draft in the. In the league because both legs onto marriage and all of that kind of stuff. So so so that it was interesting in terms of. Getting your comfort level sufficient to trying to feel that others be fad these audible and to give you an opportunity to express your skills. Including what else? And have value for that, and that's a whole lot to ask and nineteen, fifty seven. They wanted to look like you have been given opportunity previously as background. To. Come I. We only have about forty five seconds before we have to break but I'm just wondering willy when did the thought of maybe playing professional football came to your mind? That was in my junior year at Morgan state after my junior year I had a knee injury in my second year and had a a hell and practice the tibial spine left leg. And therefore, I missed three causes of the season. So I became even more studios to make sure I was going to graduate on time and that whole thing about football past college was not something in my mind because I knew I had to have a very good junior year. And, one year was over academic. Success. What that meant relative for something else so I was able to have good health fully. Junior year. And there was some scouts that have started to come to the school to offer their insight and they're thinking that I might have to play willing Lanier is with us on sports by and we will talk about his NFL career as well, and also he's very involved in a very interesting project. A Concordance Academy will explain that as we continue across the country around the world, we've got on sports by. have. You written a book. You can become a published author with Dorrance publishing the nation's oldest publishing services. Company. Countless authors have trusted Durance for nearly a hundred years to bring their book to the market are professional team will editor text design your book pages and create an appealing eye-catching custom cover loss. Our authors benefit from a custom book promotion, Marketing Campaign that makes your book available where people buy books like, Amazon and brick and mortar bookstores. So make this free call right now. 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Wasn't massive in terms of you know big shoulders, big biceps and all of that. So they felt they inside linebacking. Game needs to be improved. So they were in the midst of trying to find a middle linebacker. So in the second round, they had two picks Jim Lynch. Notre Dame. Heisman not heisman trophy winner. Hall America wasn't far as long drafted then I was drafted in the fiftieth spot from. Oregon State. But also that was A. the Baltimore Colts. I wear Involved in a new team I think it was the falcons. All thanks thanks came to leave. So therefore, their whole backup core of linebackers had been taken by. About believe sanction expansion draft. So being in Baltimore. I thought that it might be touch from colts, but the national football league was. Very, much less interested in classrooms talking black colleges, then the Americans quality. So even though I was in Baltimore, they got all of their backup linebacker 'cause go to. New Orleans. Not Create any opportunity I had any direct contact with. Tell me about the first time you met hang straem. Well. That's. was they interesting. Interesting -ality in terms of meeting coldstream and I won't go into full detail that I talked to. Coast Tram. I probably in in. March of. In March of. Nineteen sixty seven. Because I had a scout let it come to see me at Morgan. State. Had just with the way things where I didn't know that I was a student I football person second. And I thought that I had gone to school to be a football player and not to get too. And unfortunately presented. contractual reality that was. Completely unacceptable to me. So my first. Interaction with Co, stratagem was when I called him the next day. And let them know that I was a graduate student at Morgan State College at that which they offering not acceptable to me, and that he needs to understand that I'll be very firm. About. Position I was taking. So it was a call first and that's all that town that once I went out to. Kansas. City maybe a month later we had a comfortable but stern reality. That a student skill. Team. They liked about a skill. And we will make sure that that's the way it goes fully. And how about the first time you met Lamar? Hunt? Well Lamar. Being, Lamar Hunt founder of the Been Football. Out. Answer in this way. and. That's the only chiefs player who has to Lamar Hunt to be presented at the hall of fame with me. So with that start point. And I don't know Miss Dot. I don't know about family history how your he founded a league. And that he was very personable and very interested. And his team. And then digital who could representatives team? So. Mine was view of. Cautious optimism. And feeling out. The reality of who the individual is. And just hoping that. All these different things could be better. Than, maybe some of the things that I thought. The. Sold involvement in. Society that had not been as open previously was more open now. Certainly. Parody and respect to came to the AFL with super bowls three and four. You were involved in Super Bowl number four. That was my first super bowl covering one and I'll never forget it down to new. Orleans they asked if I would please come to the Commissioners Party and they said I could buy as many tickets as I want for twenty five dollars a piece. Alley. So that kind of puts it into perspective. You Win that game twenty three to seven, and I'll never forget I was down in the bowels of Lane Stadium Looking. For coach Straem and everybody was pretty much gone. He comes out of the shower sopping wringing wet and I said, coach I do an interview with you and we did that interview now and I've never forgotten I mean he was very gracious cow around himself stopping wringing wet doing that that interview when you look back on that Super Bowl, what was significant that you think about never forget about Super Bowl for? Ho that we were twelve or thirteen. Whatever right? And that whoever was making that didn't realize get played the Vikings in preseason either. That same year or the year before. So we knew that personnel also knew that hop personnel defensively we have not. Given up one hundred dollars Washington any team that whole season. So we knew that that wouldn't be a factor in their game and we also knew that. Gene Wilder was fastest receive it. So if we play. Zone on one side and double cover on the other. We take him out of his game. I was able to get interception in the fourth quarter that's fighting back across to. take away tight in on a curl. So we felt that as the officers Augustine Fumble Hall give them the ball and our territory we really thought they might not school. On the best that we thought was five with three to six. So that's how it turned out when you think back on that after a super bowl number three and the jets win there how significant was that for the balance and respect for the AFL as far as professional league and the teams coming in the jets game against the coast prior year. But. The count him at Thomas and I were playing and the pro bowl in Jacksonville also. In. Jacksonville Cy. I convinced them that without first class tickets and Kansas City down to. Jacksonville because go down to Miami. and. Then still have enough ticket to Jacksonville and we have tended super bowl. So intending superbowl we were able to see the jets beat the colts and the just saying at the goal Mouth Talent Fort Lauderdale. And as we were heading up driving to Jacksonville, we stopped at the guard ocean island. We were talking laughing the jets. Came in. And we noticed that neighbor saw a standing over there and came over and we gave him a big and some of that because and thank them. For them having beaten the coast for the first of two in a row that even the series. To two. And it was fun Tang. So wonderful things jog saying because the American football league that's trying to get out of this. And to show the NFL that they could be competitive. And we were there with nameless and. It was a joyful memory. One of the things that I always respected about Kansas City was not only the toughness in which they played of course you on defense, but also the great rivalries they had in the old afl days with the teams like Denver. But also most notably probably the Oakland raiders indeed was that the biggest rivalry that the Kansas city chiefs had when you came into the link. was and I think because of obviously the in the same division and. How Davis made it even more so because I Had his own persona which was positive as far as the sport was consigned. And they just did things that meant they could win. And that's how they played and they drafted gene upshaw to go against buck. Buchanan. Because he knew that the canons size and skill and speed with less than a year too big offensive lineman. God to be able to take him on. So I was really head of his time in terms of that had been. Of. Masculinity. And how he went through. Okay. At managing. receive a decent back or even partner or whoever it is. That could give him any h get an equal with whoever other. Personnel standpoint. And the things that he would do in terms of I see a lot of teams with receivers who will run A. Out Out cutting is what I call it. But what Davis did was that his receivers they got ten to fifteen yards in that little. They would take one step further downfield and come back towards the ball. It's meant that that Defensive Act did not have angle and which he could make a cut and. So, it was just takes away. So even watching the game today, I feel watch players who run certain patterns in defensive back with. Because they don't run with big come back, you did you come back to get delivering boom you make the catch and you this yourself. So that was things that. Happened doing that time. Of The you manage coaches of Al Coach obviously before they came on at the team and the guy just had great lines and understood this thing and vertical nature of how he would have routes run and all of that. So was all was all fascinating fun. It was all wonderful to have competition that was equal to you and you have to be very gracious in. How you were to win. Willie Lanier with us pro football and college football halls of fame linebacker. We continue on America's sports talk show, and now today's rust eating tip of the day presented by free all deep penetrating oil. You're all set for a quick tire rotation until you have a rusted on Wheel Coz Lug nuts and penetrating oil let them sit for a few minutes and you'll have them often a cinch. 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If you have a checking account and a regular income source, you can get cash in your account as soon as tomorrow type this to your smartphone or computer address Bar www dot twenty, seven, Dot Com that's twenty seven cash dot com twenty, seven, cash dot com. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar. In our, we remember series we remember Jay Johnstone he passed away in twenty twenty after a twenty year Major League baseball career with eight teams. He won two world series titles one with the Yankees and seventy eight in his second with dodgers an eighty one he was a versatile outfielder known for having a good sense of humor keeping clubhouses loose with his pranks as gimmicks Johnstone later served as a broadcaster for the Yankees and. Phillies. One Johnstone's biggest baseball moments came as a dodger. When he hit a pinch hit two, run home run in game for the eighty one world series against the New York Yankees. The home run rallied the dodgers from six three deficit to win eight seven that went also enabled the dodgers to tie the series at two games. Each and dodgers won the next two games to win it all and now we remember. Jay Johnstone. Jay Johnstone joins us here on sports byline. USA. If you think back for just a second twenty years in the major leagues with eight different teams and he has four world series rings now J., who are the teams that you've got the world. Series. Rings Worth Seventy three as okay. Seventy eight Yankees. eighty-one dodgers dodgers. Let's talk about the seventy. As there was always a lot of talk that that team would fight. Once they got into the locker room but once they cross the white line, they really came together was that the I guess the catalyst for their success. Part of it, you know everybody was really young on that team and everybody really you know a lot of times when you talk about having veterans, we can we have a whole lot of veterans on that team has a lot of good young players good young guys headstrong had differences of opinion had their own ways doing? When they took the field when we went onto similar to the seventy, eight Yankees, they just knew how to win, and of course, the the big thing with that team is great pitching. Hidden and you talk about Bandeau and you can talk about Rudy. By Tennessee about Jackson and the defense you know with green and camping heiress and all that stuff. But but the pictures they have I mean, that's you know and with Dick Williams instituting the the four guys he had two left tennis two right hands for relievers It was pretty. It was pretty unstoppable team I. Mean I looked at that team they went three world series in a row. Had Finley not had financial problems or gotten a big fight with Louis tune. He probably could have had a mini dynasty there with the talent that he had on the team before you let it. Let it get away but Finley was just as head strong and stubborn as as the players were, and so it was kind of interesting mix. One of the things that I find fascinating about that pitching staff that you were talking about is the different diverse personalities I mean there you'll find a dichotomy in each one of those guys, and that's the thing that surprised me the most about their effectiveness given the that personality wise they were all each different everybody was different but the one thing that they did know they did. Know How to play the game and they knew how to play the game to win and you know you talk about a lot of people bring up the thing when Billy Martin I instituted like billy ball you know he did a little things and stuff like that. They not only could hit the ball at the ballpark but they can run. They could hit behind the runner. They could get the bunk down gets the guy over. So they knew how to play the game and Dick Williams was really stick on that he He almost was borderline on being a tyrant as a manager on that team basically If you if you weren't in the study lineup, he wouldn't even talk to you. Talk One of my coaches you know and so he was tough. It was really tough and he demanded. That you play to the best of your ability and if and if you couldn't couldn't do that. He'd find someone else that could of course in Dickhead to go upstairs and fight Finlay. Mike Remember when I. Got There the first time I got there. We're planning Kansas City and I got over there and back. Then that's when we were the white shoes. You know what? If Charlie Finley's innovations right right and so he had thought that the game was starting. He was out in Oakland. He thought that the game was starting at eight o'clock. So he called. our I'm sorry. Yeah he's key called about all maybe. Maybe. Eight ten minutes to eight and they had them put the phone the phone call down to the DUGOUT game start at seven thirty and it's the first thing. I'm sitting on the bench and we're hitting and as the phone rings dugout and and Dick Williams send somebody down to give his hey, is a phone call for you so what? Focused like we're in the top of the first inning and so I I saw her down to the end of the bench Finland I didn't know Finley and Dick Williams hands me the phone and says for you. So I, got on the phone. Jay Johnson. Shirley. Who's GonNa club he said, I got essentials white shoes how they fit everything. Okay. Fine Mister Finley find great you know what to do I'm looking at Dick Williams is looking at me like six is and the game's going on here on talking to the owner and You know I felt like I wanted to crawl under the bench and he's he's asking me if the shoes fit everything's okay. How are things going I said fine. So we get ready to play the game and none of us defending win the I O I thought the game was eight o'clock. Hey. Let's go get him. I'll talk to anybody over here in. Oakland. That was my really. I couldn't believe it. He was just he was kind of a guy, and then when it came to contract talk, he wouldn't give you the time of day. He'd fights your for a nickel you know. Now we're the Yankees because they talk about the Bronx Zoo, and the Oakland A.'s because of what was going on and I think about findlay and I think about Steinbrenner and all of those things was there a lot of similarities that way in those students? A lot of a lot of clicks. On the Yankees of seventy level groups. A little little tiny groups that would go off and do their own thing and it was basically almost a team that didn't like one another. But yet, the one thing that I marvel about that team is when we had to play baseball and you walked across the white line, it didn't say Thurman Munson Reggie Jackson Jay. Johnstone. or or Fred Stanley your bucky danner. Jim. Spencer said Yankees. and. So once they cross the line, we play baseball. As soon as we got back into the into the dugout after I got into the clubhouse, it was like they could care less who you were. The way. I describe it to people as if you were walking down the road, a bunch of the Yankee seventy eighteen and one of them got hit by a bus is a guy who just keep walking. Air West. Hey. Get up you know. So it it was an amazing team. The Yankees asked the as it. Seventy three were teen that when you had to win a big game, they could go out and do it and and both teams could win it with defense with pitching offense and and so the big similarity there of course, the teams are a little back in seventy, seventy, seven, seventy, eight Yankees had a great team but they also had had the great pitching integrate relief and and so I look back on both those teams and I try and compare them to the to the current Yankees at one three out of four, three or. Four and five four out of five you know and I'm saying it's close but it's just are different types of personalities different groups, games, a little different stuff like that. But I think I think Charlie Finley like you said, having not had the problem that he had financial wise and also with with the Commissioner of baseball he could have he could have picked up another two or three championships easy j when I take a look at the teams you play with I mean they were east. Coast West Coast and also big markets and even in between with Chicago White Sox in the Chicago cubs and everybody them. Everybody talks about the team I WANNA get market man everybody talks about obviously the Yankees and New York and everything. But when you look at those other markets even Philadelphia, which is a major market. What was the discernible difference between playing in a Yankee uniform any of those other uniforms? Cranking the Yankee in the farm was something very special itself that playing in Yankee Stadium that was the thing that was just unbelievable I mean here you're you're playing and walking out the same field is the the the greats of yesteryear, the hall of famers you know in the demise IOS gehrig's and the roof and the mantles, and all listed preceded us you know and so there were just an or and I I got into the League in with the angels. Nineteen sixty six and I came around and high school, and they still have the monuments and Sanofi. When I was playing center field. So I actually had to look out there and I could see the monuments you know when I turned around since then obviously they swish it around but just playing on that field and saying, wow, look at Yankee stadium. I can't believe it just being on that field made a difference. It made you feel special and made you feel like you WanNa do your very best, and so there's a great mystique about Yankee Stadium and and playing for the Yankees with the phillies. Phillies had kind of kind of like that You know there like a blue collar team. A lot of blue collar workers in Philadelphia that come out and they support the team phillies had great fans and the thing I say about the Philly fans if they were so tough, you know I was talking about Yankee fans me. The toughest of anybody that ever played for now I know there's a lot of things said about the red sox Ted Williams air but but the Philly fans give you an idea if we were playing a game of Philadelphia and Gamer to get rained out, they all get up in a math and without airport and boo bad landings by the. I knew that I knew that was coming there. How did listen? What have you ever seen? At a championship game. When the just before the game is over, the police department comes in on horses with dogs. Nineteen seventy nineteen seventy, five, and six playing the Ritz. I mean they were bringing in the dog to keep the people off the field. We're going holy cow. Then we had another time in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, we had the best one loss record of any team in baseball at home we only lost nineteen games at your home. We the reds who end up going to world series they lost twenty one. So we're planning Philadelphia in late August where six games in first place we find eight in a row. We're playing Atlanta braves is the fourth inning. We make four airs in the fourth inning. Now mind you eight in a row we're in first place by six games when we ran off the field on that Sunday game, they all stood up and Buddhists There's like, Hey, we're first guys we ain't neural they didn't care. We played bad Buddhist. How did you find the Padre fans? Then I love to Padre Fowler Plan in San Diego it was more of a laid back. A lot of military and stuff. But what I really liked about San Diego played the early games there and I played a game there when I was with the PADRES Randy Jones and Steve Carlton hooked up with the Phillies it was a one nothing game. There was an hour thirty, one minutes Randy Randy Jones be Carlton One. Night sitting hour and thirty one minutes J. let me go back to baseball for just a second I mentioned about the eight teams you obviously played for a number of managers you mentioned about Dick Williams. There's Tommy lasorda in that mix as well. Can you talk about some of your favorites and why they were Have, we got two three hour. of course. Dick. Williams is tough to play for like I. said, he was a tough guy to play for and but he got his his message across the probably Billy Martin was abyss strategist. I ever played four with the Yankees I mean he would walk down the dugout and if you weren't playing in the second third inning and he'd see look at and say, Hey, listen. This game plays out in the seventh inning. This could happen, and if this happens I, want you to be ready. Okay and he looks at Thomson Thomasson he said if this happens in this guy and they're going to bring up the phone so that they've got rating the bullpen. If he comes in I've got I want you to be ready to hit Johnston said if this situation we got runners on and I basis so they can't walk he. Now I want you to hit in this situation so that happens to be ready. Okay and so we're sitting looking at him in the second and third and gone okay yeah right all right you know and sure enough if the thing. Played Out that way the game played out that way and that's session rose I would say that probably eighty percent of the time seventy, five, eighty percent of the time that that when the Yankees had to get in situation or baseball late in the game and Billy Martin had explained that to. Play we have the advantage now we still had to perform, but it's nice to know that you have the advantage going into that situation. What's your favorite baseball stories? My favorite baseball story well that you can tell. I'll give you one real quick one Jerry Royston, I remember the big tall shirt looking left handed pitcher. we used to call big bird because knows I mean he could been down and pick up papers off and they could hire them out in the parking and the recreation department to pick up all of but anyway we decided that one day we were going to drive the Infield and so in the fourth any, we snuck down to the groundskeepers room and we took our dodge uniforms off and we put on the groundskeepers uniform. Then we waited in the bathroom. Off the Dasher Doug at the bottom of the the middle of the fifth inning came about. We are team came in off the field we ran out instead of the guy we have their good. So we're tracking infield. Right, away people are looking at US going because we didn't have that rhythm that are are real. Good groundskeepers. Had you know? So we're dragging behind some people going what's going on and so rick Monday seizes he goes down and he gets the guys at datavision place up on the big screen dodger stadium right and so you know the forty, three thousand and some people why the heck are they putting the groundskeepers up there? Well, finally when we got to the end of we started at third base when we got the end, the first base people realize it wasn't the groundskeeper. So us they gave us a standing ovation, but the only way we. Could get back to the dodgers dugout us. We had to go through the stands first base and I look over the dugout. All guys are cracking up and LASORDA's just shaking his head and of course Royce with me now, as we're going up in the stands I'm thinking Klein Chair we gotta go gotTa go before any stars and he's kissing babies and finding autographs and shaking huggy people thought he was running for reelection or some. So when we finally get the other side down the dodger Dugout, the sort of sent out money basketball coach and said, and he says he's leaning against the wall waiting for us combined said Hey Lasorda just wanted me not. Let's a nice job. You guys out there but it's five hundred bucks apiece for being out of uniform. Come on. So anyway, to make a long story short I, come in and two innings later I, hit a game winning home run to win the game for him. So after the game I, come into the office skipping the game on a you out of here for still five hundred bucks. So but for who does KABC talk radio for years and years came found out about it went up on the post game show till all the people all over southern. California do you believe that the fans and it's over a thousand bucks? A piece of for that? Fine we're getting ones in two dollars and five dollars bills. So we every time we'd open up envelopes money we'd take Nicholas. SORTA as more money for your fine Jay Johnstone had a passion for baseball new. Loved every day of his career. He was a great storyteller and he pulled off a number of infamous pranks during his playing days. We remember Jay Johnstone on sports pilot. Hello and welcome back to the Ronnie do each tax program on. The is Paul from California Hi Paul what's your tax problem today irony love your show. Listen I've got a big problem. See My paycheck was garnish last week. I only get half the normal amount to make matters worse. The IRS froze my account listen embarrassed and scared on help listen Paul. You need to feel embarrassed he just needs tax help in the great news is the IRS has some unbelievable programs that can eliminate your tax debt so you don't have to worry. About having your paycheck garnished or your bank levied doesn't that sound great? 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As we continue our series we remember and we remember Jay Johnstone who passed away last week after a twenty year career and Major League baseball played for eight teams and he won two world series titles one with the Yankees and seventy eight in the second with the dodgers eighty-one and he was versatile but he was also known for his pranks and his gimmicks and he kept the clubhouse loose and also we shared. With you an interview that we did with Willie Lanier pro football and college football halls of fame linebacker played his entire eleven year career with the chiefs and played his college ball at Morgan State and he was selected to the NFL seventy fifth and one hundred anniversary teams after being an eight time all pro and the NFL man of the year I'm Ron bar stick around because we're GonNa talk some more football with Jim Kelly as we continue on America's sports talk show. Hi, this is Ron Bar. 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And of course, if you're a football fan, you probably remember that he took the bills to four straight AFC championship four straight super bowls but they came up short in each case and he and his Buffalo Bills Number twelve retired who was taken in the first round in the eighty three NFL draft. But he decided to play in the USFL before finally coming over to the National Football League and I WANNA, talk to him about that about the decision he made to do that. He wanted to play college football at Penn State under Joe. Paterno. By Joe. Offered him a linebacker scholarship instead of quarterback and he went on to the University of Miami where he played an important role in helping build that program into one of the nation's best and he did not go into the NFL he played, of course, the first time out in pro football in the USFL. But if you take a look at his numbers, he had eighty three career passing touchdowns including forty four passing touchdowns in Nineteen eighty-four and he was the third quarterback taken in that eighty-three draft which featured boys. They had a great quarterback class in that. Draft, six quarterbacks taken in the first round were John Elway was the overall number one pick but we're going to kick things off talking with Mike. Ruth he played his college football at Boston. College. Before being drafted in the second round by the New England. Patriots. He's an inducted into the College Football Hall of fame and boy you talk about a guy that was a good one on the defensive side of the line. He was an offensive Lineman who won the outland trophy as college football's Best Lineman. He led the Eagles to three bowl games including A. Win in the eighty five cotton bowl against Houston and he played with fellow. College Hall of fame. Football player. Doug flutie and he was on that BBC team in one thousand, nine, hundred four that beat the University of Miami on Doug Flutie's long td pass to Gerard Phelan on the final play and he won the heisman trophy. That year I'm talking about Doug Flutie and Miami was the defending National Champs and ranked twelve. B. C was ranked tenth and eight and two that season early to crank it up good to have you with us on sports byline. Offer not valid in all states or where prohibited by law loans are subject to lender approval. See website for details need cash but have bad credit or maxed out cards. Now, you can get a personal loan for up to five grand whatever your credit with no paperwork twenty, seven cash dot com is one of the nation's largest personal loan networks if you have A. 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That's eight hundred, seven, three, zero, forty, three, thirteen. The consultation is free go to bright side tax relief dot com now. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar. Mike. Ruth joins on sports byline. He played his college football at Boston College before being drafted in the second round by the Patriots. He's and inducted into the College Football Hall of fame and he was a defensive. Lineman. Who won the outland trophy as college football's Best Lineman, and he led the Eagles to three bowl games including a win in the one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five, cotton bowl against Houston. You grew up down Pennsylvania. Tell me a little bit about where you grew up and your high school football career. As a little kid. I grew up right outside of Dallas Texas. So I think learned everything that was great about America. Right there. I think everybody almost two years in Texas just to just to feel good about America. and. Then High School moved up the Philadelphia. Which you might characterize as the brotherly love where people reach out and touch you just don't always ask permission. A little bit more of a rougher place but again, You know blue collar real hard working people. and you know fighting is is part of the culture you know but you don't fair. It's some Joe Frazier to. The rocky movies very much steeped and Church. Being tough being a man being good. NBA Hardworking. As they say about the fans in Philadelphia they go out to the airport and they boo bad landings and I always laugh when I hear that line. But what is it about that blue collar image that established the town that way is from their fans and the way they expect their athletes to play. I think it's it's it's a tough place. You know the weather's pulled its offered miserable. Yeah. Add your your steel plants. You have your call mills, you have your. Your factories the work is hard and you have a big influence on the church and it sounds like such an odd combination. But it's almost like from birth you know I guess if you're not steeped in in wealth. And and a privilege not slaving anybody. Your steeped in your workouts in one tough things. Happen you better be tougher than those things and then when you're done all that, you'd better go to church. And I think that's what builds that whole. That whole scenario people very strong convictions and they try to be very good. Very good family people. Get a more family picnic in it's like the best graduate. Mike when you were watching games for the phillies or for the eagles or even for the basketball team what athletes did really stuck out to you that you admired that you you know wanted to look up to. Montgomery was running back for for. The. Eagles. Roger Worst He. was a big Polish Polish Irish German Italian where the yeah. Populations of the day. And they'll Burgi own on defense as well. I love those guys and then there was Tim McGraw and Steve Carlton. it was knowing that the the of course, the flyers were the bullies. a continuation of the same but when we wanted to watch. An NFL game and we drive six hours to Pittsburgh. You know the one thing I've always heard and I think you'll agree with this Mike and I talked to some of the Pittsburgh steelers about this you know Pittsburgh is also blue collar type of talent I said, did you guys take on the personality of the city that you played in and I found that to be the case I mean, you mentioned about Dallas I'm out here in San Francisco I've always found teams take on the personality of where they play. Did you find it to be that way also in Philadelphia? One hundred, percent, one, hundred percent you know it it's the culture it's the fans. It's the everything you know and I, and I'll say one thing I mean the fans are blue bull the. bottles. But. Boy, do they respected up on to? You know and team comes in there and they're really hard core, but we'll be talking about them for the next week though so it's it's kind of even assessment they cloaked their side comes out. You. Know favorite what they look for how did you end up at BC? Oh that was. It was born into building a number of trips and I went to Arizona the funnest time the funnest recruiting trip ever and I'm not Arizona's wonderful school. But but you know for accuracy. And I just had a blast and you know I come back and the MOM was out she was an invalid. And I was concerned about you know how am I gonna be able to do the two things go to school still being shooting business as possible if they gotta you gotta be home at all. And you know I got I, got a phone call and may suggest a way to do that and I I didn't think that was the proper way. And then You know I had asked what their graduation rate was. And, they said, well, we work very hard on that and I said sure expert unreasonable. What is the graduation rate? Well, you know we put a great deal of ice I'm sure you do. What is your graduation rates and they said, well, if you stay for four years. Yeah the thirty four percent chance of graduating. Want the ice. Okay. I can't Miss Shot. I'm going to have to take care of mom at the time and I called up pieces which was the worst recruiting trip in the world. We got a sub sandwich. They go around in the rain. So look all these fancy buildings. This is a great laboratory, and this is a great science buildings, Great Library, but they're all closed. I watched the movie that was the worst movie ever was neighbors and. I got a six pack. Okay. I went back to the hotel. That was my BC trick. But when I asked what the graduation rate was. They he said if you participate in one freshman practice one. Be a ninety, three percent chance graduating. I said this offer still Aaron go yup I said I'll take it. You're kind of school, right? You know. Once again no my sitting around I think. We had one fluff course. in the four years and you know the rest of your competing with some really bright students from around the country and you really gotTA. You gotTa Hustle you get. You don't have any. There's no slack there. That's for sure. Let me ask you about Jack. Now who you played for at Boston College my impression of him and correct me if I'm wrong about this, he was kind of like a throwback coach. He was kind of a little bit on the gruff side There's only one way to play football and his mind you played for him later on of course, in Europe with the Barcelona dragons over there Am I correct observation? He was de best coach. In my opinion I have ever seen in the sport of football and be best. and. Four out because his sons. One into coaching and and. Believe them also in the NFL ranks and it was very much keeping with with the way the way I grew up. he was very direct. Any basically said that he said, uh. Well you're somebody. Find somebody saw something in their background I. Mean Straits. Character. And I don't care if they said all the measures in the markers. But if you've got something that shows character than offline and that's got a five foot nine Doug flutie. And myself and many others. Deal was listen. I want to be fair. And I'm going to promote the players. As much as the team. Your names are GonNa be on the back there. So don't embarrass yourself. If you're tough if you give it your best if you not shy away from anything. Well, then to my best ability, I'm going to be promoting the players to and it was important for him to do that. You know it was important to develop them personally. So that they could do the best that they could do. And there was no phony. Baloney. You know there was none of coachspeak where he'd say no, he said something that was it. and. If you were hard core and you were gonNA show up and you were GonNa give it your best. Then you're playing. And, that's how we got twenty two. Bowl team and I I few many colleges that. You could do this or do you often I mean maybe Alabama these days and some of the SEC teams like back then for C.. Twenty two players from one. Team wanted to be NFL for your more. And not one of US had started with the big name scholarship for USC scholarship. We just figured we had to be better and tougher than any two other players. And we thought it was such a great opportunity to have a chance to play football and they're going to pay for education. Are you kidding me? It's like we won the lottery. Man we owe everything back. Dan it worked. And that was the type of guy coach, but no us you trust him you can count on any spare. Then he was tough is now still we only have about thirty seconds left, but was he a raw type of guy in any way? Oh, God? No. No, he was a cowboy. Cowboy Jack was okay. That'll up. You know now they'll do it and I don't WanNa hear complaint, and you'd better get it done but you were prepared to do that job. So you've got A. Hold on just a second Mike. Ruth is with us again, he played his college football at. Boston. College. He was also involved in one of the most exciting ends of a football game and we'll talk to him about that. Also talked to him about his pro career brief with the New England patriots but he also played over in Europe as well, and we'll talk to other to him about other aspects of his career as we continue across the country and around the world we've got you on sports byline. 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Then, re-injure the same injury two more times that was. But You know it's it's everything that. You could ever want I mean just just picture. You have reason to be in a really bad mood. And you distracted cups of coffee. Then, now they're gonNA. Put you in as little box. and. Anybody who had is the right person. And you get your for that I mean. I don't think it gets any better for a guy that's a wonderful situation to be in But when you get when you get injured, it's it's it's very difficult. You know you're playing against the top caliber of UH. Of athletes in the country. And now you've got a limited basket tools that you can use. And Limited basket, you can still play y'all came back twice and grand battle kick off at a number of Of knockouts but I had no both here cruciate. Ligament in my leg. In business, day, every one hundred step. You know comes out the back in the next thing. You know you got you know Two liters of fluid on the party life. And it's very frustrating whilst also accentuated by the fact that you were the outland trophy winner as the college football's Best Lineman and I think when somebody is named anything, there is an expectation that goes along with it was that also part of the dynamic of this situation. Damaged but that was one of the brake parts of you know in the in the preseason games as a nose tackle they had Two or three sacks you know which is which I was thrilled with because you know you go from having. Over over ten and in college and said Jeez I wonder if I could do this here and you find out that you can. and you know the tempo is much quicker but the time to prepare is longer and better and it's it's the ultimate contest. It's. You. Know like being I. Don't know you're doing your favorite hobby get to play with all the best of them and you can. is there's really nothing my opinion nothing like it. I think had I not gone on special teams and I talked to Pat Sullivan years later and I. You know why did you put a do hundred, eighty, five, pound those tackle on. Kickoff team and Not, done that I would've played for a long time. But You know you. Make some good decisions and sometimes you make bad ones. You also spent a couple of seasons with the Barcelona dragons in the World League of American football. Probably, some of our younger listeners didn't even know there was a league by that name, but it was an interesting experience. Teams would send players over there to get a little more seasoned or they'll over there to kind of rehab a little bit. What was that experience like? Wonderful. Was Great. You know goes back now called up and he said they might we We looked like Spaghetti. Stranger against the run and I said coach I can't. I. Can't run anymore. You know I can't. Turn or twist or do any of those things in the. He's that's okay. Can you just pulled up the middle? And just OP- the. All the runs through the middle can do that The good heartbeat and you're tough enough. You can certainly do that and so we brought me over there with a fellow named Bruce Clark. Bruce was a great ray player. And after about a month to work through there, I realized that I, I would really here just like watch the younger players that make sure they don't get out of hand and he chuckled But I mean that was pure for and that was like. Having recess time over in Europe. You know they're you were going to be. Matched against the best of the best just awesome great talent people coming and talent. And you got to see a foreign country which was fantastic you and I were associated with two of the greatest endings in college football. Mine was when I was doing the play by play for Stanford it was hundred, eighty two it was against the University of California I. Think you know where I'm going with this when Mike and Of, Course Stanford they were took a lead with a feel gold a late in that ballgame and just a couple of seconds in the last play of the game The ball was lateral all over the field, and of course, cow wanted it. There was some dispute. But the the thing I was always proud of and calling that game was that I had seen out of the corner of my eye across the official down the line towards the goal-line signal end of the game because he was looking down the line and he saw the running back. When they were laterally with his knee down on the ground but they kept the play going, and of course, with fifteen thousand students and people on the field. There was no way they're going to reverse the end of that game. So that was my moment and then you were involved course in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four with the BBC team with Doug Flutie as a quarterback in the last final play with that long td past Gerard Phelan tell me a little bit about how that led up to that and some of the key moments in that game. Was So supercharged good down when we had does a quarterback. Always talk is there. It'd be any game and to this day one of the best greatest people that I've ever met in my life. And you can picture the most pressure practice moment of the most intense meeting led game and he'd be in that. Hello just saying, Hey, do I just doing this little thing like this? You're in the backyard of your neighborhood. You know get everybody everybody in just the right mental spot but you're going down there. Jimmy Johnson is the coach Vinny Testaverde's quarterback highsmith there's the running back I mean you looked at thirteen. they had a probably ten, twelve thirteen, very notable NFL players out of that. and. It's no understatement to say here we are at BC and we're looking at it and basically saying okay. We're GONNA, have to go out there and try to knock out four or five people. And just beat him to death as best as we can physically and hoped posing apple and it was really just that game. It was a a heck of a contest between now. The linemen and run into some of the Miami players since then and we chuckled. Run each other 'cause we both both sides met we we do everything on the field. Then you run into them years later and you say, Hey, that was a great defensive game. Wouldn't it oh? Yeah. We only gave four thousand points at twenty thousand yards. But it was like that and to see doug do that. It's just. It was the upset of the upset. It's. got a you know more of an old fashioned. Dynamic a DC again, you know overachiever tough kids lot of northeast kids. A little bit of talent, a little bit of speed. Against you know but you. With with with all the speed with all the coaching was all the. With all the talent with all the everything and who's done. Yeah they just keeping you know in that keeping back back. Close. And then to actually win, it was like a walk Disney movie. You know everything that you can imagine actually happened we got about two minutes left, and in that year the year before Miami was the National Champs they came into the game ranked twelfth. You guys were ranked tenth with an eight and two record. Here are some of the things that happened in that game, the Hurricanes Bernie Kosar passed i. Record four hundred and forty seven yards Miami running back Melvin Bratton ran for four touchdowns flutie pass for four, hundred, seventy, two yards and four TV's, and he became the first collegiate quarterback ever to surpass ten thousand yards passing in his college career. He won the heisman trophy that ear as well. Is there any one element of that gain that is etched into Mike roofs mind that will never ever forget? Anger. Just, just just anger just we want our attitudes were as good as you and we'll we'll be that's last breath or body. And then you know try to be. Try to catch him. First of all I, tried to get your all year long during practice you can barely touch the get any. He's only five foot two. And you still can't catch. It says something about his heart is determination. Doesn't it make? It sure does I. Haven't theology professor that said, what's the difference between the big center a little center opportunity. Well, Doug had every opportunity for everything and he was class act as he was in high school as it wasn't college as he wasn't the pros and that type of character is is it spreads. And we had four or five people that had that same character charisma. You know. So whenever we went anywhere, we always felt that it was our job to do something. Great. Because we were so darn lucky to be here in about thirty seconds. That is the type of game. Is it not my that one who was involved in a game like that will never ever forget it is something very meaningful to them on a personal basis. Absolutely. You know. It's it's the American tale in We're we're ranked this and that, but you know, can you group off of hard nose? Game boots are. Confident. They will get charismatic to win. Anywhere, and beat anybody, and that always goes down to me that story even if maybe that wasn't the way other people saw, that's the way we saw in that that Obama Forget Mike, I want to thank you very much. 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The Stuttering John Podcast-September 10th, 2020

The Stuttering John Podcast

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The Stuttering John Podcast-September 10th, 2020

"Who? installed. including. drivetrain. Again. Even. You. Is. Great again. You. took. Okay. Yeah Baby. How are you? Welcome to the stuttering John podcast or should I say the world famous stuttering John Podcast? Yeah I drove out to Santa Barbara Matt my house and Santa Barbara today just in my living room in the background my grand piano. Oh. Thank you for all your donations. There S my green screen. Look how beautiful it looks. Now, now a real studio. There we go. I'll see the little outside of it. There we go. F- The green. Screen. That's how goes baby. WanNa Thank Hal sparks for his advice on getting the Lagarto Gatto Green. Screen. Which I offered said, it wasn't going to be here till October but arrived. And now. You don't look at my amps. My Lou GEHRIG JERSEY. And my marshalls. Anyway. This is like my old house that I used to have before the tonight show was gone the bubble burst and I got divorced. Why am I crying well, I'll tell you why there's so much to talk about but first let's. Let's just get a something. Funny well. As. Long as nobody was hurt, it's funny but let's just Laugh at Brent her hyun. was latest or one of his latest. riffs. On. Lake Travis as you all recall. Well apparently. Brent's boat sank. You know I'm getting a bunch of calls and texts. I figured I'd just be easier to. Jump on facebook and let everybody know but I'm fine. Thanks for asking. Yes, that was my boat that went down on Lake Travis. During the trump Bo parade and I I don't know what happened. I. Think we had too many. Mega flags on the boat I never thought I'd say that but we had too many Maga- flags on the boat the. Wind picked up the current shifted. I couldn't tell was port and what was star bird bunch other nautical terms happened. One thing led to another and I was in the water and I turned around. She was gone. The S Magherita Villes gone and. I love that boat. She was. My personality in them flags would be lowered to half-mast tonight if they had been lower to the. Bottom of the lake earlier today. They had to fight to get me out. Is If I'm not gonNA wear a mask. I'm damn. Sure not going to wear that lifejacket they kept throwing at me. I. Just kept saying, leave me leave me I wanna go down with her. Obviously I'm I'm here. I'm safe. On Dry Land and I'm. I'm still going down with the ship so. I just want to thank everybody for reach it out. You can't. You can't not laugh at Brent turn you the guys got I. Mean This is awesome for him. He's got like. Well he's already becoming huge but. I mean, these videos will make them you speaking videos making someone you ge-. On Sundays podcast I have an old friend of mine a comedian victory potato. I started hosting a giggles and bits comedy club and VIC. Dibitetto was the headliner he used to do this with. Mannequin heads and it was it was it was really funny but the. Doctor Dina Grayson will be on. We got a lot Lotta. Great guests. Today we got the great. House sparks coming on. We have David Weisman former veteran. And form a trump supporter who finally saw the light thanks to Sarah Silverman and now. He is He is against trump and I can't wait to get his take on the latest from Of trump calling the veterans. Suckers and losers calling our generals dopes. And then disparaging the top. Officials at the Pentagon this guy is a doe tarred and Before we get into the idiotic, which is to me another impeachable offense and we're going to talk about the tapes of trump. And Woodward. which are only the tip of the iceberg can mind there's a lot more going on. And that's why I can't wait to talk how because. Also. I don't know if you saw. That trump told. Intelligence to stop looking into the Russian interference and move towards China and Iran. Now, why do you think that? Well, maybe because he's in bed with Putin and he and he doesn't want China. To Help Biden Because, China already what would rather have biden as their as our president because because they know. He's a rational human being and not an elitist corrupt dope asshole who actually does drugs and snorts it, and we store the white slate come out of his nose knoll casler will be on this Tuesday the return of Knowle Casler. He's agreed to come on this Tuesday I asked if he would come on today. He said he had another comedian show to do I said fine Sunday or Tuesday. He said, Tuesday. I'M GONNA hold him at his word and I look forward to get in his take on everything that's going on. So for all you guys well, we'll see if he gets it on. And you know. Then there's proof that there's no problem between Nolan on although there's no problem a mine and yet that's. What you want I got three freaked cats that my kids. Got Me to get and now I you know I'm stuck with cat hair on the Mike L. you want from me. Haven't seen any cockroaches since that one time. I didn't even get an exterminate. I hadn't exterminate. He said. I wouldn't worry about it if you haven't had any like you know before. So right now. I look around. I haven't seen any since. and. Like somebody said, those are the big ones and Hopefully those aren't the ones he said he said it's the smaller ones that you have to worry about. Anyway hello, Temecula Joe had the one a DB in Harrison Mark B Nikki be in the House Kim Hunter. Karen Rix J. C.. But yeah. So we have a lot a lot of great guests coming up. Clean my fingernails, my fingernails dirty because they look dirty but it's because when I used. just for men as I was. Using the cheaper way to color my hair. then. Apparently got onto my fingers. So they're still brown and black and my fingers, Jillian Lamb, and thanks for the five dollars. Thank for everything. Jared smash that like button. Thank you Jillian. CANADIAN BACON ANY SHOULI UPDATES? Yeah he's moving. Alabama. I think he got divorced. But The. Leg Travis thing if that's not irony. Then what is here you have all these maggots. Like you know without even thinking that with all the ships in the water with all the boats that they're not gonNA cause a big wake and that might cause water to goal on the boats and then there's the boats that are sinking. Several boats was sunk, which is presidential, which is president trump's reelection. Hopes their sunk. And I know you're gonNA I know there are people skeptical and I want you to be because I want you to go to get your ass out in vote November. This is not going to be easy. He is doing everything he can to rig this election between the male and between the Russians between ESPN s devoting machines will have Jennifer Cohen on next week to explain what's going on with Donald Trump and Russia see that's what we're doing here. Okay. Me How John Fugel saying Dino but DALA. Stephanie Miller. I mean, we're just doing our best to inform and educate all you guys. So we can take down the dough tarred known Donald Trump. It's incredibly important. And that's why. I thank you for your donations here. I didn't even put up my link, but I should, I put it up at least twice a show. Just you know to get the support. I, want to thank everybody for the nation's last show. It it. It was a record day and I appreciate it. I will continue to put money into this podcast. Because it means a lot to me. And it means a lot I think to this country to get. VOTED OUT OF OFFICE And Eve and it's really really imperative. Look We hit one hundred twenty one degrees last week in woodland. Hills California, which is right next to me. There are fires going off. Going on in California right now like crazy. Okay. Climate changes we'll, and it's a bigger threat than Cova. Climate change is happening. And the only party that seems to give up about it. Are. The Democrats. The Republicans don't Care Mitch meticulous dozen care because all he cares about is his reelection bid because he has a lust for power and he wants big oil. Yup Yes to Macula Joe San Francisco looked read yesterday. We are in the worst look if we don't start doing something now it's too late. It might already be too late. You think the temperatures this year are going to a bad wait till next year, it'll be one thirty one. The polar ice caps are melting and the Republicans do nothing. They don't believe in science. They don't care. They don't care about their children. They don't care about the children's. Children. They care about their wallets. that. Were you -ality? Of the GOP. In America. Right now. Robert Myers, how are you my good friend big oil and coal? That's the truth. DB The entire San Francisco Bay area was in a red. Haze all day yesterday. Good. As gold. Thank you. Know worth equals no wallet and ain't that the truth. It really does. And I just you know it's so sad to see the images of the polar ice caps from satellites as you watched them diminish. And it's even said it to watch the images of the polar bears who who literally running out of terrain and running out of food. Because the ice is melting. Have the hydrate I worked out today. I thanked the lovely head of sending me this fan. I have right on my face little green fan. Thing looks like it's from nineteen fifties but doing a hell of a job keeping me cool. You don't see any sweat on me today. Nikki, how are you? But we got. We got how come in. We're GONNA. I'm GonNa Talk to Hal about the Woodward tapes because there's so much to cover in Halis House house like let's face it. He's you know he's a genius. But. Before we do that, let's just go to one more. Video from the Great Brett Tour Hyun I think here he's upset. About TACO. Bell. Taking Mexican pizza off the menu. Yes had their. It's vintage style. So here we go a little a little more funny from Brent Hyun. Follow him. Britain. Tour Hyun just seen on Fox News at. TACO. Bell is taken the Mexican pizza off the menu and that pisses me off. What a flatter is going on because I they came for our Nacho supreme at our Spicy Potato Soft Taco. We said nothing. All this shit. Scott stop taking my Mexican pizza. It's been the only good thing. They've been able to sneak over that border wall. I'll be damned if you're going to take it from me. Because what's next? What's next? So they're gonNA take our TACO Salads to the only salad I touch because I'll fight to my dying data, protect a food item or the bowl is also part of the meal. It's extra food and IT SAVES ON CLEANUP Well the me, it sounds like all them doritos locos Tacos at gone to your head Taco Bell. Go Crazy. I. Don't know why I need to talk to God their manager that Chihuahua Ronald McDonald Colonel Sanders. CANCELED HIS ASS. Already Officer Big Mac Probably Pepper Spray Mir tear gas me little Caesar, Big Caesar. I don't give a damn. You fast food places need to quick changing stuff. Yakir out. TACO bell to leave the day menu alone. That's what I want. Everybody wants to change stuff. They want to change things they want to tear down the confederate statues. I can't bring my trees and rag. NASCAR. No more Taco bell was only consistent thing I had in my life. And all you had to do was keep put Cheetos Fritos or whatever snacks they had at the gas station on your food and wrap it in the case of Dylan's sprinkle some Dorito dust on. But now you can do all that and then stick it up. Your ass. And I know you like to write your little messages on your sauce packets like it. Some Kinda, Mexican Fortune Cookie will here's a fortune for you Taco bell. I'm done. Now get off my. I'm sorry I guy. Guy, makes me laugh every time. Okay there's the link there you have it. 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There's a tidal wave coming, but I don't WanNa tell people on the beach because I don't want to panic. You Can Tho taught i. think we can handle it. Knowing the truth. And the most despicable part. Is that. He then. Tells people to go to church to following week on Easter. Then, any has rallies. When he knows the virus's deadly this is homicide if not genocide. This is murder. And Glenn Kirschner will come on and we'll see just how. How bad this gets. Can you imagine having a president? Like an asteroids about the hits in two months and he's not gonNa tell us. He's not going to. Have, a say our goodbyes. He's not gonNA help us prepare. This is our commander in chief. Thank you mark P trump didn't want cause panic yet. He incites panic on his multiple tweets every freaking day ain't that the truth every day the dams are GonNa, kill you democracy. You know you know the dams are GonNa do this. And that, and he's always trying to instill fear. Always. Nowhere HAL is. Let's see two hours ago he tweeted. I don't know. Man I. could use them here. Let's see. It's never lie calculate. Either screwed up timing. Let's see what I wrote to him but see. WanNa come on the podcast. Love to twelve fifteen tomorrow. Okay. Says it works for him twelve fifteen tomorrow. So I duNno areas I'll invite him again just to make sure. that. He got it. Sent I sent it again I don't know what else do now. Anna or healthy how will get here? He hasn't responded. I don't know areas is. Maybe. Something happened to him. I. Hope He's okay. I said I mean I said I don't know how I don't know what else I could do. Anyway I don't need any guest, but could you imagine and do you know like? And then trump goes. I did it. So people wouldn't panic. God. You did it because you don't WanNa. Hurt your reelection chances. You did it because you don't care about anybody but yourself. You seriously could give a crap about any other lives than your own. And this. Is A, dereliction of duty. And this is another impeachable offense to not let the American people know that there is a deadly deadly virus. Coming And you do nothing. And yet I have dumb asses like Scotty pace who still don't care. Still will support this guy. And I gotta say Scott the pace is a good friend. But it is. It is upsetting in gross to watch him support this guy the way he does it's one scandal after the other. I mean. The long list of scandals. Is Amazing to me. It's scandal after scandal. From the kids taking three point one million from cancer charities from hill him calling veterans loses and suckers. I mean how many more and then for him you know doing quid pro quo with Ukraine. And having multiple witnesses say it happened. It's him obstructing justice by this allowing people to be subpoenaed. There is such a long list of criminal offenses. And that's and that's only. That's only the tip of the iceberg. We're not getting into his love for Vladimir Putin even if the Putin put bounties on American troops. Well, I have David Weisman here. I don't know where how sparks is bullet bring David because this is a perfect time. David how are you? And and. Good David. Weisman is a former. Well, you know you're a veteran of which was David. And Kenniston. Of Afghanistan. How many tours did you do? All, year. Long. I'm sorry. To tours and and David used to be a trump supporter, and now he's seen the light and realizes how horrible Donald Trump is is that is that accurate David? Complaining accurate. Now David I have to ask you this. You know. Yet first of all, thank you, crozier Shell. Station. Thanks for your service. And if you could speak a little louder or turn your mic up a little bit. Okay. Okay David. How do you feel isn't it and you know this? Why should come on today? How do you feel? That Donald. Trump. called. Veterans and called people that serve the people that died. Serving their country suckers and losers. Very, despicable it's respectful. I mean. Terry people go volunteer for certain you know they know their. Chance on the war and you know her. Sacrifice. Is Very unpatriotic un-american. In. Comanche look at on Sunday. Sounds right this. Wrong. And David I have to ask you how like I shouldn't say former veterans. Thank you. Six foot. Ben. I should say veteran I'm sorry I always I meant to say former trump supporters but sometimes I you know a screw up there but like have you talked to your other. You know fellow. Veterans that have served and how do they feel about this? The night spoke with feel the same way might. have. Friends where veterans that are slow some trump supporters and they don't believe it. some the you know with all the sources of his past history they just deny in. Bringing tile issues at thankful orange. On her most part most military and I spoke with. The same as I did. Yeah No, and and there are those Y-. There are those people that will say, oh, he didn't say but like David we all know that he said it I mean he he called John McCain not a hero he doesn't. He likes people that don't get captured and even saying that when He. Dodged the draft five times I can't imagine like any vet getting behind them. I mean, just from just from dodging the draft and doing it with fake bone. Spurs. An informed Selena when he came to John McCain. Presidential election on uniform many conservatives falling trunk kings, not conservative enough call them a writer. elegant name only so. They always had the insults, attack, some of us. Wasn't on its most starace slang when trump type than mainstream chairman on that. Not. than. Criticize. Trump. Home Canukus. The audience on Americans November man in Republican working with emigrants. Yeah. It is sick and now like David are you like a you like smacking yourself and head go? Why do I ever support this guy? Aaron Age everything something inside. And sometimes failed healthy on its. No people try warning. I'm against China warning in. vinyls. In. You Know I. mean. I realize he own. I never thought it would be like this bad in like feel guilty about it soon though. originally, Hoffner thousand people dead. On coronavirus as you you know about the situation in. Any anyway, you imagine how many kids will. Eat. Worn of ax you seriously. I not I mean they'll still. On. It. and. Everything is something always something. You know it is. Get and I mean what I mean even the. I mean. I'm. I mean could you imagine that Putin is putting bounties on American soldiers and trump did nothing David? Tell nothing and you wonder why they believe. Any any. One to know. What's going on? AOL. In. COMMENTS ON IT IN A. Yet listen and then I. I mean. Everybody in a circle says liking. I mean, you can attack He to me in. For some reason and I attacked connect Russia? Questionable. Remember what I was turned it. Any terrorist attack. Home A. Any hidden. And Advice. Italian Male USA Islam He installing then. Most right for him it in. Line can, trump. Yeah and that's and that's the thing and not only trump not to anything. But you know he he he's all over Putin. He loves Putin you know it's. He chooses his Putin over our own soldiers and then he expects us to believe that he didn't really call troops, losers and suckers. His father always looked down on the military like you know they didn't. They didn't let any of their kids served because they don't because as as as a fred trump said, there's no money in it. Shame in. Encino starting second really off the money that small country alert bombing. Shot mislaying islets. ILL, LA multi. Yeah no I know and man I mean so. Are you are you going to vote by mail or are you going to go to the you know? I'm going there. I trust office in May, how he's interfering Mill melts. Capital ride only wearing masks and practical should this insane in? Alan. One person. Where do you live David? Owen on me. Orienting of county. Okay Yeah. Then, that's the thing. I. Mean like now. We see images of trucks dumping the mail I mean this is this is Louis d joy added bet I mean it's literally trump is doing everything he can to try and rig this election I mean. David like you gotta be shaking your head going I can't believe in the most powerful country on earth. With a democracy that this dictator is being allowed to do whatever he wants to do. In Arina. Lies. A Mitch McConnell not enforcing She turning our elections. Why? Are they allowing interference and the Why? Yeah I on society but is he? Instead. I mean I believe there is an appearance I mean out in public those women. Any little. Mice talking route. Yeah and it's also. Are you seeing at all a shift in the military because I know that have been reports about are you seeing shift? That the military is it is not getting behind him this time I mean you're noticing that. one year in the military. You're not really supposed to talk about health expert has close to. Something Lonzo in nine eleven the longest. I did see in a stars traits were. When they worry. About it. S. Unity more against trump. But again, it's kind of hard steamiest acted any technically, you're not a Lotta. Politics. But. I mean, do you go to the vfw there or? Yeah. Around patrons I haven't spoken. On. Imminent, imminent. county so I might. Well Florida I'll tell you David Florida is is key key state for us and and You know you know we need people at at the at the polling places or you know at the at the voting places to make sure that you know they're not going to try and screw with the elections there. Need to be suppler unguarded make sure that. relations are protected meeting people should hand In. Child were not any English. Listening one novel for Nets. I. And One last thing David It's hard to hear you. That's why and I you know. I I. Don't know why but I don't know if microphone or something, but I do WanNa, get your opinion about the the recent Woodward tapes. Where trump knew about the New about how deadly this thing was yet still would tell people to go to church did nothing. To- people, you know what? It wasn't important to wear a mask I mean how you feel Like you serve this country, and now you're seeing this like idiot who really could care about American lines. And it's really important. I. Mean Pumping earnestness. Life Party but. Then are doing any. Actual, pro-life in. I can't help but they. Consider sling. I find it. Try? To. BACK THEM UP PEDIC SPE- S. Illinois writing I can submit sunny days war Max Mikako encourage social the same will be like other countries right now of course many people That I'm going to have problems but the as I think has is now in the right thing. In pretty disgusting that. that you know not so out of hand. I mean. Hundred as. Some category drinking. Yeah. Well, yeah. I I agree David Listen I'm sorry like connections going and it's hard to hear you. But thank you for coming on and thank you for your service. Me On. David. I'll talk to you. Assume you try and get a better? You know next time. I'm wondering that's what it is. I mean I know he hasn't amino acids universite worse ahead on the phone somebody wondering nights. Dare look look I'm the worst technology, but you know you know but I'm you know some People Alo-? I mean you know it's always something you know I had a guy on on on Tuesday who's COMP-, and he's the tech guy and his computer every five seconds sound like he had a rattlesnake in there. So. So what happened but listen thanks again for your service and seriously come back again before November I'm. My. Right David I'll see you. and. David everybody. Yeah I, felt bad because it was hard to hear but I mean the guy served our country I just wanted to get his opinion on just. All the stuff that Donald Trump is doing and saying about the military and like we all know he said it, there's no, there's no question in anyone's mind if he said it or not. But. I mean it's just amazing to me and and now. Donald Trump and this is just he makes his judicial appointments. Yesterday uses this as in the White House as another platform for him to campaign, which again is against the Hatch Act, and he doesn't seem to care, and at this point, the Senate Congress, the House nobody does anything they just let him do this but. He. Appoints. Tom Cotton we've had Dan Whitfield on who is running against Tom Cotton. And Dan and You know I mean he's got he has got. He's got to take Tom Cotton Down Tom. Cotton. tweeted out yesterday. Row v Wade has got to go. Now. Let that sink in for a second Roe v Wade has got to go. So, in other words, Tom Cotton. Has a chance to be a Supreme Court justice and he wants to. Overturn Roe v Wade. And it. It's. It's amazing to me. That females like Cassandra Fairbanks? And Ann Coulter. And Tommy Lauren. And Laura. Ingram. And Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. Are. Still going to support. A senator. A Republican senator. Who wants to take away? The reproductive rights of women. Are you okay with that America. Are. You. Okay. Without an Coulter Tommy Lorraine Laura Ingram you're okay with that. Seriously Is that your America. Take away a woman's right to choose. Really. Is that is that what you're four? seriously. What you think that you'll be, you'll be special. Somehow you are not going to be affected, but the other women will be. US You are supposed to be serving us. Not the other way around. He. Roe v Wade has gotta go get over here Tom Cotton, you get hassled. Tom Cotton. What an a hole. WHO ELSE DID TRUMP APPOINT? Lying Ted. You remember when he was called Ted Cruz was lying Ted. Now, Ted Cruz. He's appointed a judicial appointee. Really Ted Cruz. I mean no, it just keeps car I mean you can't write this crap. It's just one thing. After, another violent end. Thank you for standing up for women, of course. A woman has the right to choose. These idiots are in favor even if your rate. They don't want you to you know they want you to have the. And then. They don't help you after the kid is born. then. We'll give you any assistance. And you know I always found this to be the biggest hypocrisy. There pro-life Yet, they're pro death penalty. Now Explain this to me. So. You're okay with bringing a kid into the world because you don't WanNa kill it unborn fetus. But then you're okay with killing an adult. Who committed a crime? Now. Look I'm not supporting murderers at all. It just seems to be a contradiction. I don't understand that. Really. But more importantly. How dare you take away? A woman's right to choose Tom Cotton you should be ashamed of yourself ashamed. And Donald Trump will you don't have a harder soul nor a brain? So? You'll never feel shame. But really. Any any person in the GOP who doesn't denounce Tom Cotton is a coward much like that fear Donald Trump a coward. It boggles the mind. I mean I don't know what to say anymore. It just I can't wait until November but the only problem with November is that we have to worry about the rigging of the election Jennifer cone just tweeted out another another sick thing that's going on with the with. The voting machines oh she. Oh, she gave proof that in two thousand sixteen. They. Voting. Machines where were connected to the Internet. And not only did the Russians interfere the inserted malware. In Into into the machines. Proof. Of course, I forwarded that to Scott the pace because he claims there's no proof and then we had the proof I said, here's your proof Scott. How does this grab you? Know. Response Just like when Scotty Pace was supposed to come on and debate Jennifer cone now suddenly hasn't responded. Because he's a coward, just like his era. Donald Trump is a coward. He does not care about you. I know the man? I've hung out with this guy. He does not care about you. He. Does not. Like minorities. He looks down upon women and sees them as only a use for one thing for him to. have sex with or to rape or sexually assault. This is this is the Donald Trump that you gop. have. Elected. And that you still support Mitch. McConnell. Ashamed. Ashamed. You don't care about climate change. Don't care about gun control. Now. You don't care about Roe v Wade all you care about is team of a country and you should be ashamed. I. Just it's very hard to be proud to be an American right now. seriously. And the only time I ever felt this way was under GW Bush when we went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. That's the only time. I was like you know what? I'm not proud to be an American. And now this time again. Because our country is being led by a moron. And I argue with people I go to the pub and I get these gop is like it's almost like a matter Klan rally. Seriously they don't care about black people. You know. You know they used the N. word. They use the N. word. And they don't care. They don't see why it's wrong. And and they. And they you know call us Lib tards. Why because we, care about people. because. We want equality. We want. The rich to be taxed more. And the middle class and the poor to be taxed less. We don't want big corporations to have. A tax write offs like Donald. Trump's where they don't pay taxes at all. Now. Why because we care about our teachers and nurses? Because we care about the United States Postal Service. Because because we care about women's reproductive rights. Because we care about climate change. Is that what makes us so bad is that we're live tards. Care about. Gun Control. We don't want our children to be shot in our schools. We don't want a are fifteen to be allowed to be. obtained. By everyday citizens even the inventor of the a fifteen said it was never intended for civilian use. It does that make us live tarts. 'CAUSE WE CARE about the homeless Is is that what it is. Is. That is that why we're so bad. Tell us. Tell us what's great about the Republicans I I'd love to hear it. Tell us what's so great about what you're doing to this country right now. Tell Me Tell me Donald Trump. What is so great of what you're doing besides bragging about yourself. After, George Floyd was killed. You had the audacity. A week later. To make speech about the stock market and say somewhere George. Floyd is smiling in heaven. Looking down at the stock. Market. You can mind. The man was just murdered by a white COP. While three other cops watched it and did nothing and all you can think about is inserting George Floyd's name. into. Your stock market. And by the way. The stock market. Really. Hal is here John Wear was how? I don't see how anywhere. All. Done. I don't know where HAL is. Something must have happened till. It said I, really wanted him on today was a perfect perfect time for him. And and I had the whole hour form I don't know where he went. But seriously. So what's so bad what? Are, we supposed to support the GOP who really doesn't give a frog fat ass about climate change when every scientist is saying that we should. We should have done something ten years ago and we should still do something wit. Are we really supposed to care about? Are we supposed to really support the GOP. And now, we have Tom Cotton who wants to take reproductive rights against for. Away from women. Really, this is this is the GOP that whistle. The West supposed to. Support We're so. We're supposed to support a party that is not in that is not into social distancing. That is not into wearing a match. We have a president who just told the report at the take off his mask. And then applauded the next report who took his off. I mean, this is just unbelievable. Sarah unbelievable and I'm asking all you. Everybody to tell your friends and your family and do your hardest to convince them. Get. The independence. The Bernie supporters get them get the elderly drive them to the polling place I mean to the voting place, drive them there if you have to. Get them. They're convinced them to vote Democrat. It's incredibly important this the election of our lifetime I know that's a cliche. But this. If Donald Trump wins another term. We are. Doomed Seriously doomed. This country is GonNa. Look like back to the future to and BEF- when Beth takes over telling you. I'm telling you. And I saw a tweet by someone today. If Donald Trump wins a second term, he's GonNa try and change the constitution. Or you know change change it. So he could he so he could do three terms. I'm telling you people. Be Afraid be very afraid. And we need the youth. We need the minorities. Everybody's got to come out. And vote and we got a vote blue across the board. Mitch. McConnell. Right now, trying to figure out how not to lose the Senate we have to make sure he loses Senate. We have to make sure that he loses the Senate. Look I have kids, and I'm sure a lot of you guys do to. And they're GONNA have to deal with this this mess that we're leaving them. Limited gun control. Doing nothing about climate change we just watch as. As. You know. It the effect happening all all around the globe and we just watch and do nothing. It's SIC. `a get to your questions right now in five minutes. Glenn Kirsch should be on can't wait to get his take on this. I. Don't know what the hell happened to how. I it has to be something. Because, HAL is Ah Wait wait is that Hallett's. Let them know we'll try again I was. He had three hours ago. I don't know if that's how sparks. House sparks would just tweeted me. I doubt that's how sparks. That's just in Pasta. House sparks lives in California. And I said Twelve fifteen. Thanks yeah. This is my home in. Santa Barbara. Yeah Sean Hockey Canada Twenty five thanks for moderating I know that's not how. I don't know what happened to how he's never been I mean he's never ever. Not showing up on, you know I I don't know. Crosses. Shell station. What are those scars on my right hand? That I don't know. Banana Buoy. Is that a background of course? Not This is my house the Santa Barbara. Yeah. That's not how how must've forgot. I, don't know. You know. Maybe, got an acting gig. I don't know I'm sure get back to me at some point house a good dude. Glenn should be here although Glenn said that he you know he might have. Wi Fi. This kid just being you in David. This is the lemon lime gatorade. This is the original. This. Is what got through football. Has the electrolytes and hydrates us. I'll be, drinking cores lights today. Last night I had hungry men dinner. Fried Chicken. You. Know I cook almost every night and I was like I watch on. 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Let's do it. All Right Glenn I. Thank you so much for coming on I. Know You're all over the shows. That I've watched you on other shows I know you do your own podcast please plug your Youtube, thing that you do every day yeah. So every day I upload a A video onto my youtube channel is just under my name Glenn Kirschner. So today's for example, is all about how Donald Trump has just upped his own criminal anti from manslaughter to second degree murder. I come at that question not from a place of politics I come at that. Question from the place of a former career homicide prosecutor. If there's nothing else, I know John I know my way around a murder case and what Donald Trump did as we now know from the Bob Woodward tapes is he lied to the American people about the threat that the corona virus post about the fact that it was airborne about the fact that it was. Far, deadlier than the seasonal flu he lied to US and put us in harm's way not only that we know that he refused to produce the personal protective equipment that not only are healthcare workers needed. But that we all needed to protect us from this area born virus instead not only did he refused to use the defense production act which gave him at his. Fingertips the legal mechanism to order American manufacturers to produce the lifesaving equipment we all needed but his own State Department was facilitating shipping this stuff over to China while he was lying to us about the fact that we could catch it by breathing near an infected person, the man has upped his own criminal anti in my opinion from manslaughter to potentially second degree murder. And just. So everyone knows Glenn is a thirty year. Prosecutor so I mean. You know you stuff and that's what I wanted to ask you about. Not only did he do? You know everything that you just said but also didn't he he told me to go to church. The following week after the would. After he told. What were that I mean so He's actually and then held rallies didn't he? He set up his own little super spreader events you know. All the while. Now we know saying I am going to intentionally down play this. I'm not going to be honest with the people I'm not gonNA tell them how they can protect themselves. Instead I'm going to say it's business as usual. Go out there pack the Church's pack my rallies shoulder to shoulder breathe all over each other. No masks are necessary I'm sorry John But at that point it becomes what we. Called depraved heart murder because all we have to prove, he already satisfied the three elements of manslaughter criminal liability for second degree murder, we only have two to prove two things. One that he caused the death of another now, causation doesn't mean you fired a gun or you choke somebody out causation means your conduct was a substantial factor in bringing about the death of another let me give you a quick hypothetical. Not a hypothetical and actual case we brought in DC a robber is chasing victim. The victim as a result darts out into traffic gets hit by a car and is killed. You know what that is that second degree murder why? Because the Robert didn't kill the victim but the robbers conduct was a substantial factor in bringing about the victim's death. You know what Donald Trump has done. He has chased us out into the path of an oncoming deadly virus. That's why he has caused the death of Americans. And what do you think about his? Excuse or his speech whereas his I just don't want people to panic because I believe in America. There is no I didn't want people to panic defense, right? If I see somebody who looks dangerous that is approaching a crowd of people unarmed but looks dangerous I don't get to kill that person because I don't want that person to create a panic. There's no such thing as the I didn't WanNA create a panic defense to what is otherwise criminal conduct by putting people in harm's way it's nonsense that may have I don't believe anything the man says, but if he believed that the Reason he was downplaying the risk to us was because he didn't want to create a panic one that's not a defense and to demands entire re election campaign is based on panic. He's trying to annex all every day into voting for him. So I will not ever believe that that man does anything because he doesn't want to create a panic he wanted to get reelected. That's why he did this from us. Exactly. That's what I was saying before but let me ask you is is. Is is pence also. You know guilty of this as well because I mean, he must have known. But I don't know. There's only one way to find out and that is on January twenty. First we began we begin investigating all of this in the grand jury subpoenas, everybody and anybody with any knowledge of what trump did what did will pompeo did and the whole you know rest of his merry band of criminals and we see what does the evidence prove regarding tenses, knowledge and his conduct. I don't know how pence is not complicit in all of this. He was the head of the Task Force. You know he was not only getting the same briefings Donald Trump was getting. He was actually paying attention to them right you and making decisions based on the information he was being provided but you know trump was saying look mike look EP I don't want to create a panic. We're not going to tell the American people the real deal about the danger that distinct poses. So you just follow your marching orders and I'm betting. Pence followed his marching orders. Pence is nothing if not a good follower. Yet now, Glenn. Now. There's debate on twitter is this homicide genocide? It is I would say mass homicide. I don't know that he's trying to exterminate a particular population other than. Who is in the path of this oncoming virus I would call this a mass homicide or a mass murder if he ends up being charged with second degree murder of the American people that that died. I could answer this question on my own, but I will jen from the Jingle Department. What about Pelosi telling people go to. Chinatown. Pelosi was in privy to the information that Donald Trump was the the answer Glenn I think that's an important answer. And I do think. A lot of people were assessing the information that they had available to them at the time when they were saying do this or don't do that. Here's the thing the information that's being put out by the federal government by the executive branch by the president is part and parcel of that information. So if he's putting out bad information and other people politicians or not are giving advice based on his intentionally false information that's on him it's not on the people who were using his information to decide what they should say, and that's why I say John You. Know I don't use the term all the maggots in the magazine this. And that the folks who listened to the president of the United States, we might disagree with him because we know what he's really about but people have a right to rely on the information being put out by the president of the United States and make their life decisions accordingly, which is part of what makes him criminally responsible when they listen to him they behave in accordance with the advice he gives a pack, the churches they go to super spreader pep rallies and they die that's on him. It's also on them because they decided to listen to foolish advice. But when the President says something people have a right to listen. See in Glen. That's I mean everything is saying is so true but then Why aren't? Well, we'll just have to just. Why aren't? The Republicans calling amount like what? Where's the house? Isn't as impeachable offense? Oh, absolutely it's improved. It's criminally chargeable once he leaves office, it should be criminally chargeable while he's in office but. Why aren't they doing it I don't think anybody can answer that question to our satisfaction because it doesn't make sense. They have no patriotism. They obviously don't care about their constituents dead or living because the Republicans constituents are dying as a result of trump's lot is and apparently they don't care about their dead dying suffering constituents. It doesn't make any sense to me other than maybe the if Donald. Trump has compromising information on all of them maybe past the Donald Trump by Russia because remember all those Republicans couldn't get over to Russia soon enough to celebrate the fourth of July. So what does Putin have on them that he is then passed to trump so trump can also have it on them. I don't know I mean there's nothing that I would put pass Donald Trump at this point. Yeah and. A School me on this Glenn because he always says, well I stopped people from China coming in in. January. Tell me is that I mean I don't even I've heard so many different stories about it. Could you please clarify what the truth is I mean? Yes. The truth is he he did put travel bans in place at one point in time. But even if you stopped first of all, he didn't stop it from coming over here. There were thousands of people who were traveling either from China directly before he put a stop to it or from China to. Other countries, they were infecting the residents of those countries those people were coming here. So he didn't put a stop to anything more importantly once he knew how grave the risk was he lied to us all about it. So that's kind like saying you know I did one good thing by not killing one person even though I ended up killing a couple of hundred later, I should really be given credit for this one good thing I did that's ridiculous. Now. Well, I know, and then he did nothing after that and still people got in. From China is what I heard, correct yes. They did. They did you can't believe anything demand says. So. What happens next Glenn? Next is because there are no you think about this John. In Nineteen, seventy four. Nixon tapes were released and we found found out that Nixon was involved in a cover-up of a second rate burglary. The Republicans March to the Oval Office and said Mr President. You're done. We no longer have your back well now we have tapes released showing Donald Trump lied to the American people and ended up killing tens of thousands of people that didn't need to die. Had he been up front with us from the start? and. Yet, the Republicans don't see that as egregious enough to march on the White House and say Mr President you need to resign. You're done now I don't pretend the Republicans are going to have a spasm of patriotism or decency. So they probably won't do anything. They're willing to go down with the trump ship and they will beginning in November. But what happens now unfortunately, I don't know that anything happens other than we now have probably gone from an an enormous blue wave to a gigantic blue wave because people will continue to peel away from. Donald. Trump he's got that hardcore twenty, five percent. They're never gonNA walk away because he likes the way they hate they hate the way he hates and so that's their man. But I think this will all but guarantee that the man is crushed in the election come November. Yeah and think about all the lives that were lost because of his negligence because he hid this information from us I mean. Glenn How could anybody support this guy? I don't understand it argue with people like Well, he just didn't want people to panic and I say, okay, that's like saying, hey, there's a tidal wave coming but I, don't want to tell the people on the beach to get off because I, wanted to panic. Yeah. Let's let them die because that's a much better. Right, yeah yeah. Other countries told their people and you know. We're adults we know how but if we knew all the information, we would practice social distancing but donald trump did what denounce social distancing Wearing a face mask. Does the reality is it's not that he didn't want them to panic. He didn't want them to prepare. He didn't want them to take precautions why? Because he was afraid it was going to hurt his reelection chances. So as you say, other countries were informed by their leadership New Zealand. South Korea they have all but extinguished the Corona virus in their countries there. People were given the truth by their government and they took precautions they didn't panic and they saved themselves and Donald Trump sacrificed us. You know it just seemed. So cut and dry Glenn like I can't believe there's no I mean. Is there anything you can do as a citizen Detroit? Sue, him. I mean is there anything that we could do now I mean like now that it's out in the open, he's obviously A. Responsible for all these deaths at least most of them is there anything that we could do you know we can look at bringing a class action lawsuit but I think it's all going to come home to roost, beginning I in November when he loses and then we have to hold on tight because I suspect he will issue across the board pardons to everybody he will issue pardons to Pinson bar and members of Congress who were enabled us. He will issue probably pardons to select governors like you know the scientists down in Florida who may also have criminal liability for the way he has intentionally mismanaged the corona. Then, he will probably resign and try to get to pardon him that pence has a political death which wish wants to commit political suicide, which is what a pardon would represent. But even if pence does pardon him and I think this is probably a fifty fifty proposition that the president steps down and then tries to get pence pardon him I would go into court every day and fight. That is a corrupt pardon. If we can prove that Donald Trump and Mike pence were co conspirators in this, you know complete. Abject failure that led to the death of Americans I think you can get a court to rule that that would be an unlawful pardon. A corrupt pardon because one co-conspirator cannot pardon another. So I don't know what we can do now other than make sure we drive everybody to the polls from earliest moment that they can vote early until election day. And let me like I don't want to keep you too long. 'cause I 'cause I know that you didn't this as a favor to me and I appreciate it because I had to get your take on. Happy to join your John Although my foam may die. So let's keep talking quick. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just. Lasting well, well, two things. The first being, what do you think about him calling our veterans, losers and suckers and and I mean and you know he said it yeah I don't consider myself a loser or a soccer for being on active duty in the army for six and a half years. I don't consider my father a loser or soccer for lying about his age joining the army earlier than he should have because he wanted to serve his country and he did it both on active duty and then he stayed in the army reserves and he retired I don't consider military members losers in suckers and I hope every single. Soldier soldier sailor marine seamen, I hope every single one of them thinks long and hard before they pull a lever for Donald Trump, because listen the military is typically pretty conservative. They support. Republican candidates more often than not man I hope those men and women think twice before a single one pulls the lever for Donald Trump when he calls them losers and suckers and they're like, what's in it for them? Why would they serve? They're not making money what's wrong with those losers and suckers that they decide to dedicate themselves to something bigger than the Almighty dollar boy that that gets my blood boiling and like. You say something Glenn we know he said because he said about John. McCain Bingo any centered about the generals he called the general's dope to now the Pentagon is like I mean he's always trashing the military. Yeah. He said the generals are a bunch of P's right? Yeah. The thing he likes to grab without women's consent. There are a bunch of keys because they're more concerned about their alliances with countries. Then they are about trade deals that could bring in money I mean the man has no concept of military service of patriotism or for living for anything beyond the dollar. And this is who he is. We've all known it from jump and you know anybody who votes for him in the upcoming election shame on you. And then the last thing I have to just get your opinion Tom Cotton. Has. Just said that Roe v Wade has got to go. I would just love to get your opinion of that. Yeah. Well, you know what the Supreme Court has had opportunities to do away with Roe v Wade and it hasn't In fact, they've kind of quietly reaffirmed that in a number of ways over the years so. Tom. Cotton. Can go the way of the rest of the trump cronies and. Sycophants and ACOLYTES and aiders, and a betters and enablers, and you know what? We probably ought to investigate him in the grand jury together with all of the others because here's the thing when we get this stuff before the grand jury, we do it honestly, ethically fairly an apolitically but every single person who committed a crime, we submit them to the grand jury and we asked. The grand jury sitting is the conscience of the community should this person be indicted? has nothing to do with politics are D- I doesn't matter should this person be indicted and John. Come January. We have to investigate every last one of them because there can be absolutely no healing no justice without accountability for every single crime these politicians committed against the United States and against the people. Well. Listen Glen thanks so much and please come back before November I love having on man anytime John I love being with the appreciate brother. All right. Thanks man. All right. Take Care of Grand Kirschner everybody. No I mean he knows everything about everything and now we'll talk the house sparks Here we go. How? Birdie. We're moving and my Internet here at the House took a shit there be the houses next to me are. And they're like little Bob Cats in front of a Megan Yard work and all that kind of stuff and about once every two days in the last week and a half either the lights flicker or the Internet goes south and today luckily, the tech was next door. So I ran out and yelled at him and he re hooked up the cable to the street. So I'm fine I'm all right. How are you? I couldn't is usually in the first hour I was I was struggling there was like I'm sorry I'm very terming you're right I got I can pretty much patch any gaps in personality that anybody has apologized and it won't happen again. High. because. You got my my said this is so Because and I said it and everybody knows I was like how is always on time? Must have happened. Yeah. So I apologize for the scramble on it was like I finally get back. Can Use. Typing in every, you probably got a text DM and a tweet all at the same time because I was like. Okay it's up so and and I didn't even have literally had to throw my green screen up. Because all, my other stuff is still like boxed and crazy and all this stuff. Higher ask you about the green screen. Because I have mine up now. Yeah. Looks Great I. Love Your New Digs. You look very together when. Santa Barbara. Right. When did you move to Aspen? But let me ask yeah. Yeah. I. Have to the Green Screen right close to my back or else you'll see the sides is that what you? Yes. Well, in this case your because of how string cast are streaming or does this you got a narrow narrow window anyway. So you can't reach past this part regardless can move back a little bit you'll be able to. See it in your side right when you're setting up your camera. But when you're actually interviewing somebody, they don't really see much it can be minds about mines like here I can touch it. It's like an arm's length because mine's right here. Yeah. It doesn't have to be that close although I've got gaps on either side of it when I and I don't use stream. Yard. I adore you John. But like the attack I, mean, we need a tech intervention for you. That's my goal. Back, we need. To using either ob s or e Cam as your software to put the video into. Stream Yard or whatever the shit you're using or directly to your youtube page and just dump stream yard entirely. because. You're not streaming to multiple places. Are you just going to get you place? Are you go? What are you using? I just to Youtube. Yeah. So if you're just streaming youtube just streamed to youtube, you don't need to ban bank shot through stream yard to make that happen and people can join you using other stuff. E Cam is awesome for that kind of stuff for bring guests and whatnot. It's not a hard setup and it's probably one of the easiest pieces of software to figure out e Cam e. c. a. m. it's one of the it's my fallback software. When anything else I'm using takes Shit my if I'm using wire caster or ob s I you stream labs. Mainstreaming thing for my stream and you can do all kinds of cool shit as far as like when people give you a Super Chad it can it. Can you know show that they did it you can give them a salute you know. It's it's just good. It's a it's a nice thing. You can do for fans when they superjet you and the like or benefit you and you can source it out to other shit. You can use stream or some of these other things too bouncy. It'd be on periscope on twitter. And facebook at the same time the okay and but I tried steam labs and and yeah, and it was very confusing. It takes. A little bit of Dick, and around it'll take you a day but I would use some dummy streams to figure it out I'm just on here fucking around with my setup people like it. It's fun anyways I had to do that a dozen times. Well into this and like I said you. Zoom call with you take over your desktop and fix that shit for you. Do. You like my my moving bruce. That's a good solid one right there. That's that's the leaning the box against yourself you're carrying A. biceps come on through. Yeah. But I would I would be it would be my. Pleasure to help you. You know up your stream game anyway I can. But one of the ways you can do it is like isolate myself because this when I'm with you, I, just throw that thing up and doesn't matter. It doesn't quite matter because I could put up something else. But when I'm streaming on my own thing, you know with the technology available right now, you could do like a broadcast level television show pretty fucking easily these days no. Everything we had for talk soup available to us. Is is Pro Sumer now. Like the level in size of green screens, you can have and the cameras and the lights like it's about a grand olien bearing all your cursing. Has You know has made my. Of Limited I was doing so well I didn't I didn't realize that chips in your monetization. It's not you do you have like auto. Caption on it or something YouTube is so quirky that if you curse more than two or three times, then you just get like the yellow flag which means. You, don't make money on the ADS but if You can't McLean. You know then it doesn't matter. I. Don't really know it just. ADDS get liquor ads and I mean I don't understand it. It's only epoch times in and that I almost oregon that. Stupid raid, shadow legends, game, or something anyways. Like who the hell else what am I gonNA blow off tied ads. You think you're getting a good slice of tied ads on Youtube you kidding me like as yeah you won't lose your monetization for super chats and stuff, and that's really the only game in town. Google ads is good for click views a little bit but it's it's pennies compared to actually being honest and and genuine with your in your language with your followers. Castle curse all you want. But look before we get into the dough tarred years moving to. I just we just moved basically a mile east of our old house, but because of because of covid and stuff Mike, Girlfriend's son was gonNA move and go to college but he's staying here and going to local he's going to UNLV. So he's going to stay at the House and I my kid basically, we were gonNA shift that room when my kid comes to here. So to go to school and so we can't. We couldn't do that in the house we had because it had three bedrooms. So now we have four that's the only reason. You're in La. No this is the Vegas House. I have a place in L. A. in North Hollywood. That's that's that's the band house, the Ba-. That's my space for their and I've got two of my band members lived there the rest of the time when I'm not there so If, you're moving La Sell Your House I'm your. Guy And I insist I'm the real to the stars yeah. My goal is to buy. Land in and print a house on it but that's another conversation for another time we'll do. Okay how so let's get into the real story here I mean, right just had Glenn Cursing Ron who who said he's great. Yeah. Trump is guilty of homicide I mean he's guilty right at this point man on the side is what he said I'm. The Woodward tapes alone should just that's it. I might. Normal University, it would yeah absolutely and I will say on top of that that trump's supporters will. The refrain I. keep seeing in all their twitter feeds and on their youtube videos and stuff because I keep an eye on that crowd to see what their argument, what their pushback is. You know what I mean and there there pushback is. You can't blame a disease on trump. It's like nobody is. We're not blaming you don't blame the shark on the mayor of. The Island in jaws you blame him for saying it's safe to swim. That's what makes him a murderer that's not the shark. That's not the point. A natural disaster is a natural disaster. But if you tell people to go swimming when there's a flash flood warning because you don't want, you don't want to Ruin Beach Day or You. Don't WanNA panic people urine urine. You're a psychopath that's and the his whole argument I wanted to keep people calm. I DIDN'T WANNA freak people out. First of all, he's talking about the market he means the economy he didn't mean human beings. He could give a rat's ass people I mean he basically masturbate to all the battle flag all the riots because he thinks it's doing him a favor in the polling because he can. Tag Anarchists as if they're Democrats, the people who don't vote for anyone and don't believe in organized government are Somehow Democrats all of a sudden right so but his whole. Idea that like? I WANNA keep everybody calm. I don't WanNA panic people if you are. Incapable of telling people the truth. Without panicking them, you aren't a leader. You are incapable of leading. That's there's ever a job that a leader has its the shit hit the fan and I need us to marshal a response and not freak out that is one hundred percent watch from the walking dead to World War Two. The responses always like okay. The enemy is outside it's going to be tough, but we can handle it. I. Got a plan. Let's do this first this person this verse if doesn't work that will and that. Nobody needs to panic. This is take care of yourselves and we're going to get through this. That's what people have always done in leadership. This asshole can't is incapable of leadership incapable. He can be a cult leader. Jim Jones wasn't a frigging leader he he was hypnotised effectively. That's all trump is able to do these waves this stupid fake gold watch in front of people's faces and they're like. It's brutal and the fact that like. This. This is the only story. The can wipe out the fact that he just shit on our soldiers. He just shit on like this inability to understand sacrifice or or dying for freedom or the government or your your country or your fellow American. It's I mean, he just can't fathom it because he's so transactional and he's so what's in it for me that he literally worded it to to John Kelly at his son's grave that what was in it for them like he can't figure. What's in it for him to even go to the cemetery in the rain because it'll fuck up his hair. I mean this is stacking upon stacking and the, and that's a horrifying. There was bad enough when he craft on John McCain. And that I was amazed that people wash that off the. Instill Grind people. POW'S AREN'T HEROES TO DONALD, John? That's I mean that's a fact that man has that wasn't caught on his side taper cut out of. He bragged about it about what a dickey is. Boys still at that slide and you're surprised ECON suckers and losers are you kidding me and then the only thing that could knock that story off is that he knew that Kobe was airborne five times or ten times as deadly as the seasonal flu and he knew the seasonal flu killed twenty five thousand people. And he went out there and went it's going to be gone. It's no there's nothing like that was. Church and yes and hang out. Yeah. He had rallies. He traveled he brought like the press corps that he brought to India with them. You know like there was no limited and by the way. His fallback is I banned travel from China before anybody else that's his big thing. Okay. January thirty. First, there was an order to to ban travel from Wuhan and in China, specifically for people with non-resident visas. And and non-citizens. So if you had, you had a non-resident visa or you're citizen, you could fly in that was fine. But if you were if you had a new visa, a work visa visa or any are you just visiting, you can't come in he instituted that on the thirty first. Something in the order of sixteen other countries had already ordered travel bans on China before the thirty first another eight did it on the day on the thirty first immediately saying travel ban starts. Now, if you're at the airport, you're getting back on a plane and going home. Trump's ban. Was announced on the thirty first and didn't start till February second. So people had three days to just hop on fucking planes left and right and fight in the united. States. And as long as they got in there in that window, there was no mandatory quarantine and they wouldn't get checked at the airport and then nine thousand private planes flew in don't forget about that. But three airlines had already stopped by February. Second flying from China to the United States had already done it. Forty countries thirty eight in total had stopped travel from China into their country before February second before hours went into. into effect and to other countries did it the same day? They did it on the second they basically grind it over the weekend about it and shut it down to, and it was probably due to the legal structures of their country. There was nothing about our country that you could on January thirty first going sorry everybody goes home is an emergency fuck off like you could've he had every power to do that. He do can't wait to shut down borders. and. All of a sudden. It's a porous and then all our meat packing plant problems. So China last year cold seven, hundred, million pigs they are running out of food because they're the other diseases have been running amok through food systems they're buying from everybody they're buying from Brazil, there. Brian. From Canada, the buying from us even with tariffs in place, they don't care because the premium the tariff put on not enough of a premium to stop them because they have eight hundred billion. Million people to feed. You know I don't buy the one point, three, billion story by the way I think it's closer to six hundred million, but we'll talk about that later. But they got eight hundred billion people. Millions gives me eight hundred million people to feed. And they don't care if we charge them more for food they don't they print their own money and it's all internal. It's fake at anyways when he goes to devalue their currency, what means is they just make it up out of whole cloth as much people should on the Fed over here at least it's a balancing act against the market and. Yields on on long term bonds and shit like people are thinking through in. China. It's. It's like a summit in nine thousand people on Mimeographs just crack. WACK WACK and you throw it at some astle who thinks it's real money outside the country and then they come and try to cash out other funds and find that it's no good anywhere. It's the. Other than that I have no opinion. So how I, mean well. There's so much about. All right. So Trump makes tom cotton, a judicial appointee and Tom Cotton out today or yesterday. Row v Wade has to be done with. Yeah guarantee well by the way. That is A. Steve Bannon used to have this thing about flood the end zone with Shit flood, the zone with Shit. If you can't, he actually got, you don't have anything material to do and you're up against it just. dissemble just throw a bunch of garbage out the announcement of John of Tom Cotton and. Ted Cruz as part as part of his I'm telling you as part of his Scotus list and the announcement of that list and the intentional putting those guys in and Tom Cotton saying this shit. Today. Has Neither one of them has any fucking shot. It's never gonNA happen. Don't kid yourself neither one of them is ever going anywhere near being a Supreme Court justice not happening. They put that out there because they think it will grind a certain amount of the news cycle and bury the fact that he called our soldiers, suckers in losers ignored bounties on their heads. Dump this Shit China money into building military equipment says, he's behind the military because he fed all this stuff into it, which is basically military. Industrial Complex doesn't go to the soldiers because goes to Boeing and Lockheed Martin shipbuilding companies and Shit and then it's all going to get sold to the Saudis. We promise the UAE and Israel fifty billion dollars worth of military aid. Well, what do you think that is that's ships and F thirty five's and rifles and bullets and stuff that's being made with that rise in military stuff that we're bragging about he's bribing the Middle East, both sides. With with weapons of war, if they play Nice through the election. This normalization to the UAE and Israel as some sort of major peace deal is such A. First of all, there's never been a hot war between the US and Israel. What the hell like what are you talking about peace in the Middle East these are. You as a mall. It's a big Muslim mall like there's the specially Dubai and Abu Dhabi, their industrial trade centers, for rich, jerk offs. This is. There's nothing up and and they're running out of oil. So the Saudis are running out of oil and their cash for this year they they know they're done for there is no economic base for them. Once the oil goes the Iranians are running out of it or the Iraq spent most of what they have their oil is drying up in the Middle East because it's been siphoned from their first and the biggest reserves in the United States Russia and Canada and and Venezuela. That's that's where the oils coming from for the next three decades and you know what? The Middle East is going to have to do start playing nice with the rest of the world for the first. Time in forever. Yes. That's what this is. The is just waking up to the fact that if they don't have trade partners for normal shit you a is trying to be the new Cayman Islands in the Middle East. That's what they're trying to. They're trying to the Swiss banking arm of the Middle East Hide your money here. That's what it is. It's the trump tower mentality of hiding money, and that's why they're digging around with the Israelis about this. They don't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians or even the Muslim faith in that regard I got the I. got the religious police called on me in Dubai when I perform there, I was almost taken away to jail. and. Yeah and and it was on a whim. Here's here's the funny part and thank God. But this one shake who out ranked the shape that called the cops on me thought I was funny. and. He was like this this Louis goal and he was awesome. He was so funny and his wife was nice and they were nice conversation with him. Had I not been talking to them in the lobby when the cops showed up, they dragged me away and I had been gone for month and a half and paid. Vines and then they find Jon Lovitz for mentioning Jews too much in his act like this. Yeah. Yeah. They're trying but but the thing is there's a bunch of shakes and and Muslim leaders over there who were trying to. Carry out what's effectively a soft. Enlightenment of you know you know on the on the more moderate side of the Muslim world and they're trying to do it in a Dubai and Abu Dhabi and stuff because they wanNA trade with the rest of the world and go back to what it was like in the nineteen fifties when the Brits went and skied in Iran. People used a vacation down there. Post oil this all goes away anyway I like I'm going to rant on this bullshit forever and trump knows none of this by the way. It'd be abundantly clear. He has no idea. Isn't any of this Shit Kushner set this this gun deal up. This is Iran Contra. In another form to get the Israelis to play Nice with the temporarily to buy him a win and help Netanyahu and his crowd. For the next three months that's it. This is going to pan out the cutter's going to join the UA and its normalization of. Like being on the see. People how many crazy assholes and boats would roll up on cutter if they started playing nice with Israel all of a sudden you gotta do long-term work to make shit happen. But what do you think about the Norwegian? The. Donald Trump for the nobelpeaceprize. Yeah. The clock is ticking on how long we go back to find a post by that guy who's saying that the Swiss have no business returning Jewish goals after the Nazis took it. Was nominated for a peace prize to in nineteen thirty. Well I. Mean the Nobel Peace Prize itself is by name is fairly hysterical because it was the inventor of dynamite was the first guy to get it essentially and it was named after because Jesus Christ such a huge explosion no one will ever want to fight again burden. Clearly did not pan out. So I don where where's the Hiroshima Peace? Prize. you know maybe. You don't think he's really GONNA receive it. No this is the same guy who nominated last time. It's smoke. They did this. They've made a phone call nominated for the Peace Prize over the thing cover my ass like they're dialing. Phone a friend on who wants did not pay a million dollars fine and go to jail. That's what this is. He's never going to get that. That's absurd it the Israeli. He's the and getting like normalization of what between Serbia and Bosnia. Kosovo rather. What are we going back to the nineties now for new wins or whatever we do we need to go back and look for his remarks about. How Clinton had no business intervening and in. In the Serbian conflict over there like come on, he's not like it's silly but I will say this, there's a bunch of. trumpsters that are digging in even harder because they can't admit. that. They fell for this schyster. So badly that it's I mean it's gotta be look yourself in the mirror and by that this dude is a billionaire for one being not not guilty of sexually assaulting multiple women even even if you think he had the highlight where some women were throwing themselves at them that doesn't give you the right to grab the ones who don't. As a matter of fact, he gives you less right. You get the look as someone who's been on TV. And who has. got. An an outsized amount of ass over the course of my life due to fame. If I was just me at my height with my hair and my eyes in a club, I got a decent shot at the world but the. Once, you get on television. There's there's an attention aspect of it. There's people who will chase you down because of it and so you'll get thirty percent more action than you deserve. In the north of. Here that how it's safely s There you go. So. And and not to say, I, don't deserve it by the way and everyone goes home satisfied but the point is trump. Benefited from as well as being a second-generation rich kid with a lot of money to throw around, and then of course, being on the apprentice and and. Being kind of this. Page six darling of New York thing. So there was he gets some of that attention that has nothing to do with his what he looks like or how carries himself or his breath or how he acts. You know what I mean the kind of stuff that. Woman with sense of dignity and so we he gets more of that than normal person being rich having been on television. and. I say rich in quotes because he broke his foot, but we'll get to that as well. But we'll wait I want to talk to you about that. Yeah. When you when you get that much action. Beyond what you sort of earn would earn normally in life just being a Schlub. I believe morally. You have even less call to demand sex from someone who doesn't want it. You know what I mean like not that some loaner psychopath in cell deserve sex because he wants it but. Basically you're you're. You're adding greed on top of your disgusting sexual assault. You know what I mean. There's a secondary set, know one of the seven deadly sins added on top of that. So grotesque is a grotesque man. You know that about him you also know he lied you lied to you about Kovin allied you about the economy allied you about Va choice he didn't get past that passed in two, thousand, fourteen under Obama. He's a liar lies about and to veterans all the time and he doesn't care and he has total disdain for them and when he says, I, love the military listen to the words. He he'll say I love our military and occasionally if it's in the teleprompter, he'll say I love our heroes well, that allows him to not love John McCain because he doesn't consider POW's heroes. He doesn't consider Vietnam vets heroes. He considers maybe World War vets some of them as long as they made it home heroes but anybody who died overseas was a loser so they don't qualify so he can say heroes but to us when we hear the word heroes, we mean anybody who fought and especially including those who fought and died. But he doesn't include those folks. We are filling in the gaps in the word heroes. Well, when he says military, he means the stuff he means the tanks and the planes in the airplane, the bombers and fighter jets in the boats and and like rifles and all the material. Immune. His and give a shit about the military families. He's pulling money from from base housing to pay for his Goddamn Wall. He didn't pull it from the SHITTY would've mail that he's sending to the Saudis. And by the way you know those soldiers we pulled out of Syria member holding what they're coming home. We're shedding that the Kurds whom we gotta die they helped sure they helped us defeat Isis but what have you done for me lately we're bringing our soldiers home. They've been over there long enough. It's not our job to fight the Syrian Turkish border conflict has been going on for thousands of years now it hasn't but. So we're going to bring them home. Do we bring them home now we bring him home. You know where they went. They went Saudi Arabia and they're all standing as human shields for gas processing plants because the hootie rebels in Yemen were firing rockets at them. So basically we went we we are now being paid by Saudi Arabia to park our soldiers arms crossed in front of these things daring the WHO to kill some of our soldiers so that we have an excuse to carpet bomb Yemen. That's what they're there for they're not. There's no nobody's ground attacking these frigging places. There's no reason for soldiers there if anything cinema missile defense system, that's you want to help park a park a boat nearby and go. Yeah. Well, if anything rule down where you were just going to do you solid, you can pay. No didn't do that. No. Sent thousands of soldiers to go stand there in the one hundred, eighty degree heat. Acting as as human body armor for Gas Processing Plant for the FRIGGIN Saudi Royal. Family that's that's America first that's America I. Never Been. America. I never it's been it's it's trump family's. Real. ESTATE DEALS AFTER HE GETS OUTTA office I, which is why The next point I was going to bring up is Trump. Was GonNA. said he's going to donate one, hundred million of his own money to his campaign. But we we know where that money's coming from. Don't we? Yeah, it's taxpayer money we're paying. The tax payer is paying retail at trump's properties for the secret service and the government employees that followed the president around to park their ass Borussia giving him the hundred like they did last time wage bank. Oh, he wishes. That money isn't coming right now that's why taxpayers are paying for all of his properties right now if if Donald trump hadn't become president and the money actually from the government that follows him around wasn't poured into his properties with great regularity, they would be in probate right now. They doubled the membership cost at mar-a-lago to thousand dollars hundred I. Think it was actually a hundred twenty thousand dollars before that and it was already fading they put up to three, hundred thousand so that basically people spies could lurk around the frigging place. You know what I mean. So they could just buy their way into listening distance while he eats chocolate cake and tells the South Korean president. What. Where our troops are stationed like it's or about the the latest Israeli spy he knows is you know in Minsk right now and their home address like The Dude is ridiculous. But the point is all that money all that we have paid him and he was like he says, he donates his salary. We the United, the US citizens have paid three hundred so far three hundred and twenty four years of presidential salary carting him around to his own properties, and that's not including. You know when he has to travel to go to the G. Seven when he has to go over seas for Bass Deal Day or when he goes and. Gives Kim Jong on a hand job none of that stuff I mean strictly just golfing bedminster going to mar-a-lago going to his. Scottish. Property all those places and he charges he raises the rates for the secret service the people who take a bullet for him and makes American. This is a billionaire. This dude who went I don't even need the money. Is charging double. What it would cost to stay in their viewers civilian to the secret service, the people who would. That would are there to save his life when he supposedly doesn't need the money, he's not writing a check of from his own money into that and if he does if Donald trump does a big thing, I'm writing a check to my own gambling, which would be embarrassing the fact that he blew a one point, one billion dollars and needs to write his campaign a check within six weeks of the election think about that for a second. But. That check I guarantee you without will be. Without Cohen to bounce it around or Allen Weisselberg. The that money's GonNa. Show up that it. Bout, it was like NRA money from Russia given to him through a subsidiary they paid rented property, and then that money came out of that you know or they bought a building suddenly. Because he needed to get the cash. But it'll take six months to find that out. That's what he's counting on. Actually did and now this is another new. Development had I guess he told the Intel? I. Mean Stop Investigating into the Russian interference and focus more on China and Iran yeah, and you know that's because you know he wants to Russian interference because they want him to win. Oh. Yeah. They just hacked Biden's. There was a company that the Biden campaign has been using Microsoft. Notified them that they've been hacked by. Russians and. And it was it has specific point and by the way I guarantee it was delight grab a bunch of emails, put a bunch of like put the word pizza in a bunch of them, and then closed the door behind them on their way out because one of the one of the things about the the hacking that went on with Hillary and Podesta and all that kind of stuff is not what the Russians took and disseminated is what they added. This whole like happiness Q. Nonsense is built on the fact that these assholes broke into the DNC, stole a bunch of emails and stuff who gave them to wikileaks in DC leaks and said disseminate these but then modified and added a bunch of different shit that they planned on strategically releasing attacks on later. So and the problem is, let's say I go through all your emails and you should talk your ex wife and you do a bunch of other stuff and you don't want that coming out but I ask a bunch that I'm going to release of yours. I had a bunch of stuff about how you helped with an armed robbery in nineteen eighty-six. And you go I wasn't anywhere near that. I know you were in the vicinity I could PRI place you there I know you had nothing to do with it, but I can just tack and twenty five emails like you knew this guy you talked about dropping off the keys at this one thing where did you get the gun? You put little Throughout there, and then I just let it sit let a bunch of assholes, chase it down on the Internet forever, and even though it turns out to be nothing later on, you're dragging this bullshit behind you forever. And by the way, the was hacked to none of that shit came out but bullies, Lindsey, Graham trump fan now. Yes Oh yes, he is. Going to be live boyer dead girl was the. Was The you know the old black male thing for politicians. In the library dead girl. The Lincoln project just came out with a new video calling Lindsay a parasite. Planning that he's just like like he was against trump and shatteringly he's all in for trumpets. It dude that dude right up. There's like. All of them well, and especially like the way just takes a dump on John McCain's grave like that and even came out today Bay defended him. He's like I don't buy it. Trump said that stuff will first of all asshole. You heard him say that Shit about John McCain and John McCain was supposedly your best friend. So. Why why would I take any of what you're saying seriously I know No I know I it's it's sad. It's it's genuinely because some of the stuff some of the stuff is just disgusting some of US I've I feel like I've gotten like a like a lot of people like a gallows humor about Kobe these days 'cause we're just all. Kind of stuck in it. because. It's just. You know who the hell. Can. Like. Process the number of dead the number of sick and the number of people who are going to have like long term illnesses from it God knows. But and so you kind of get a wall up around it but I find myself with the with the soldier stuff. It. It never gets old in that regard it never it's never a wound that scabs over. And you saw those people like that ad that was running. That's where the like the gold star families and stuff were saying, my son's not a loser my son's not a sucker and I felt so brigham bad for these people to have them tap to say that, can you being in a situation where you have to defend your dead child because the president of the United States re referred to their death in military service as them being a loser or a sucker? It's unbelievable. Yeah. It's heartbreaking and these poor people to sit there in front of a camera and want to say this to defend their child. Definitely. They're not. They're not whimpering about it at all they're you know. Vehement in their you know in their anger about this. But it's just sad at even has to happen. It's. It really is and it's and it's sad to see. The Republicans support like well now they're saying he never said it, but we know he did. See did well, look at how he's saying it. You know and like when the Russians defended their thing yesterday they they called the charges nonsense and somebody I think it was. One of the people who defended trump right away said it was outrageous whenever somebody says, it's outrageous to suggest or they see something is nonsense that's not then denying I am convinced that outrageous is the obvious tell in any situation even if in fact you are innocent and someone is calling you on something that's just ridiculous. Never use the word outrageous because that's the guilty word. That that'd be the that's outrageous. I can't I can't even believe he would bring that up. Okay. You just admitted you fucker. I. It's it's gross heading through more fun topic. Okay. Let's talk about Frago who is who says the NFL is dead because the cowboys are allowing their players to kneel during the national anthem. Of referring to Eric, trump? Yeah. Right. Well and. Eric Eric himself. It's interesting. Have you read Michael Collins Book at all no. No. Yeah. So I just started it. I got it yesterday and then this other stuff hit the fan. So I was reading some of that or whatever, and you know Eric almost gets a pass in the family because it's understood that he's dumb. Frayed. Oh. Yeah. Right. But Don Jr. apparently for a while had the illusion of being smart probably just because he's a loud mouth whatever and trump craps on him nonstop like he first of all, he hates both of them he thinks they're both ugly. And stupid and they always bring him bad deals quote unquote. Sort him out. What do you mean like? What are you talking about? If he they bring you bad deals, you signed the paper dumb, ass. What did what part this? How is this the minute? If becomes a trump branded anything that means you signed off on it that means they're no longer the stupid ones you are. Yeah. So Eric. And I. Love It. No, you know. Knowles is convinced I guess that that Eric is Giuliani's kid, right? Yeah Yeah Yeah. Because he looks just like Giuliani son. And I mean, there's a lot of stupid to go around there possibly but but I can we be abundantly clear that if if people respected the peaceful protests stuff that was going on in the NFL early on a lot of this shit could have been avoided Oh. Yeah. and. Especially, when you know when you're talking about, you know Colin Kaepernick are we know like trying to find a way to be to show his disdain and anger and sorrow but not turn his back on the flag or not come out? So you know. It is it seems so obvious to everybody you know and plus you know you you're in a situation where the majority of the players are black, the you know and and then you've got. So pretending you, they don't have an outsized concern. Of The circumstance compared to Ivory Tower Eric you know who's never shat on a toilet that wasn't gold. You know and and you know my dad used to say when I was a kid he goes if you don't think loves rich people look. Stupid people look at who gives money to? And and you know he was talking about like second generation, rich kids and these guys are third generation rich kids. Yeah. You know what? The success rate on the Uday and Koos as of the world like this are. Well, speaking of coup say. You would have enjoyed I. Don't know if you saw my tweet. Donald trump junior tweeted out. A you know Nancy Pelosi. Your. Third in line for the nuclear codes yet you got duped by a hair salon let that sink in and I responded. Hey You Know Hey Donny Dick at the president. Got To know the president is first. For the nuclear codes got duped by Stuttering John let that. And people say. Seven hundred. Like you on the Internet, right? Right. Right and it turns out that Pelosi's the second in line for the codes which I'm hearing now it isn't pence. Well I mean. There's a lot of technicalities about. The ultimately, it depends on what happens. Yeah. If if you're in a situation, she'll get them to what will happen. So no matter what happens trump goes down. Then you know pence's definitely he's vice president that's what happens but she will get every briefing. He gets because they were considered the. Malleability of the upper of the administration and the and the threat to the nation. So high that the speaker of the House will also get whatever briefings that he gets. So there it's not that they co run the government, but it's a lot closer to that when the executive is is beheaded in that regard when they're taken out of office for whatever reason. So. I it's. It's really. Fascinating to me. Watching this guy deal with this threat because sometimes he gets. A we attacked by the press for something he did and his response to it. Is. He gets excited by it you. Hee Lee likes the fight even when he's wrong he likes winning when he's wrong as much as when he's right as a matter of fact, he probably likes it a little better. Because he's clever he got away with something if you win because you're right. So that's the law, but if you can win and still be wrong holy. Shit. The smartest guy in the world how that's the only reason why I think I got through to him as Senator, Bob. Menendez because it was right after the Madonna was acquitted and trump couldn't wait to congratulate him for committing a crime and then being being found innocent. Like me that's right. Yeah. Yeah absolutely. So I'm going to be I'll be doing trump's press conference today I don't think it was long on my stream. Because he changed. How do I watch that how? TWITCH DOT TV slash l sparks or HAL sparks dot live. Is the way to do it right now. And until I get my youtube page back, but we'll see. What? Did you get off to yeah. Yeah. Yeah 'cause. From Modique. Yeah. Yeah, and so did. They've been hitting like four or five different liberal talk show people. Wow. You of a four, a four year old video with a copyright strike. That universal. Music. Group that did it and they end somebody I. Don't think it's the I. Don't think it's universal music that's like this. But somebody in their legal department is targeting people because they know they can shut you down. So they wait until I within ninety days of the election and then filed the four year old charge to which they could have said, can you take this down? Down, but they didn't they just did a strike that they knew would limit my ability to to livestream. So so Google is is a right wing company. No? No No. Universal music which. Is The one who did the strike I don't think the right wing I. Think there's people in there though that no, they have a weapon that they can selectively attack people with you know what I mean. Oh, I don't see. Yeah. Like if you like, I think Universal Music Group owns the gun. They just left it on the dresser going I don't know who used it as you that kind of thing it's not my fault. I didn't i. didn't tell anybody to shoot. You just left it there for them to do it at their discretion, and that's that's basically what happened. I don't WanNa, get conspiratorial about it and I can fix it, and by the way the twitch thing is becoming such a success because of it. So it's almost a blessing in disguise it's been great. Yeah. So My friend. Ammoniac is on twitch now. Yet but we're. The thing like you said, they're targeting liberal shows. That's why is Youtube Republican? No Youtube doesn't do youtube is just the gun. But they're allow book you're allowed three strikes no, the my channel still up but I can't livestream. They weren't able to knock me down with three strikes. They just gave me a strike, but they waited until I was within ninety days. So I couldn't stream for three months until five days after the election. How somebody at Universal Music Group in the Legal Department there is doing that on purpose and they did it to you know. A couple of people so and I think it's an individual there I don't know who it is. 'cause I can't know because there's no there's no paper trail they use a general email for all their strikes. So whoever their has the access to it. I've been moving and I was talking to the people over there about it, and then I just dropped it 'cause I'm like. It's not GonNa Heals I'm GonNa, start a whole new youtube page from scratch. So I don't have any you know stuff they can go after me for. So I'm going to turn that on this weekend and get it kind of up to speed. But yeah so like. I mean it the bigger fish to fry and like I said the twitch thing and being able to go on periscope and facebook I've got like one point eight, million minutes a day of viewing on. FACEBOOK already. Just from posting it there. So you know there there's always a way around it. It's just sad that youtube was a was a fundamental income source just got yanked out from I. Know I know. And I appreciate that you. Know supported me with the Super Chad in the paper. It's like. I don't do a Patriot on and and just for me out, and the reason being is I don't want to have to put extra content all the content is here so. I'm not going to do extra. This is the whole show and not GonNa, take it away from you. Pay For the wall I want to donate donate. Fail, to that's what I do. So I don't put I don't put anything behind their like I will occasionally like I'll do little personal behind the scenes stuff but the show itself is the show itself. You know what I mean it stays on and the whole point is that the Patriots the Patriots supporters the great thing about them is they're basically helping provide the show for other people. It's like it's like you know donating. A public television show brought to you by the the Sparks Foundation kind of idea. They make it possible. This made few through viewer participation for people like you and so if people can't afford to give anything, they just got Internet and just limping by. They can just watch it get entertained. Feel a little better and it's the benefit of it's the people who Patriot or or or now subscribe on twitch that support that and make it possible for me to do it because if I couldn't do this I'd have to do something else. entirely. I couldn't put the time in. If it wasn't financially viable doing the show every day because I have to grind for something else I mean I'd have to be like offline writing scripts nonstop trying to sell something you know whatever 'cause we can't tour and there's no production so that you know it's and I've got a nine year old defeat and a girlfriend and her son defeat as well. So it's important. No I hear you. Same boat I mean. Burnett. Eight. So I have to ask you this one. Yeah, and you know I'm GonNa take off soon because I. Would go more than two hours but I understood the coke flying at trump's nose. Oh my God. And I saw it live and I was like, what was that? Yeah. Yeah. We were doing livestream I- livestream every one of his speeches and if I can do it when it goes live I will. But I started doing a regular time because it was easier for people to find it. So if it happens earlier, it happens earlier if it happens later we pick it up live as I'm doing show and we're doing that he's outside I. Don't know why he's outside. He's moving around the White House trying to figure out like we we used to joke that he was just trying to say the word scourge. Improperly in every room in the White House, he keeps saying score skorge and he would he he managed to say it in every room. and. So I think he's got five lies that he wants to tell and he wants to tell them in every place. It's like a game, a clue and. I'm like, why are you outside what difference does this make? And It it seems like coke logic. It seems like it. Let's go outside. Hey Man. What are we? How about? Let's do this know that kind of weirdness and in the middle of talking this, you know he just does a you know what my? Hungarian girlfriend drawing used to call a Russian handkerchief. You know. He doesn't accidental Russian handkerchief and sees it. Yeah. Like. And like that's a lot of that's a substantial something coming out of your nose I mean it happens. It happens I mean Carleen used to have a big like hey dave. Slot on your shirt that kind of. Laugh and blow a big like that kind of thing but he wasn't even. It didn't even seem like he was going you know like he was. Huffing like bill. Bill O'Reilly I'm shocked doesn't blow, Snot all over his desk at the time because he bull snorts constantly in an attempt to intimidate his staff. Always do but trump after the thing flew out. You know he sucked everything in because Oh. Yeah. Yeah Right. Here it comes. Yeah. Somebody's GONNA come up CSI this shit and find out how much how much of it is direct coke at all meth see Alice whatever he snorts to just get his body a wreck than his legs in the right place I honest to God. I mean it's GonNa. Get Worse. That was kind of where I was going to. We were talking about was I he's starting to. Fall. Apart. Any He'd you can definitely see him getting his energy up sometimes when he's in front of a crowd, but it's like for him it seems to be like watching the same porn over and over again like you can say like it but eventually, it's GonNa wear out. You know it just doesn't do it for you anymore you know having like it's not. and He seems to have that kind of reaction his. If, he's mad about something occasionally at these live events, he'll get on terror and have some energy but his reading of the speeches is so perfunctory and they can only do these smaller crowds and they can only do like twenty minutes when he's got multiple stops now. So used to do just one giant rally and screw it all of his sycophants with drive from all over, and it would look enormous because it was five states worth of trump fans. But that was a minor group of people comparatively it's why lost the popular vote by three million even when he had all the Republican votes and he will not have all of them this time. But he like he's reads this thing and he's just bored like you can just tell like does this back and forth with both teleprompters switches like he supposed to do his read yesterday. Oh. My God when he came out with the Tom Cotton and the Ted Cruz thing he was so lethargic. Yeah. Did and he's reading dead center teleprompter. So he's looking at the thing. And it's GonNa get worse because he's not a healthy man it doesn't take care of himself. He Eats Shit. He's you know it used to be fine. He acts like somebody who like I don't understand it used to be able to drink all this all the time when I was twenty and I would go right back to work like first of all no you. Didn't just don't remember how bad you felt, and secondly you're not that anymore you got other problems take care of yourself. You're the president of the United States. If you get the SNIFFLES, the world worries. That's how it happened. You know like you have to have the dignity like Biden coughed five times at his thing and it was half the news on Fox that day. Largely. Because if they showed any of his speech that he, he basically smoked trump speech he's been the Biden doing a great job with that. Yeah I think he's been here's either rope a doping or he was just like I my personally decided and want to attack the other Democrats during the when when there was dozens of them stage, you know he was being nice and wasn't he was well my time's up and. No? No, that's not exactly right and so people could attack them because he wasn't they were. They were way behind. So what did they have to lose and? I'M NOT GONNA attack you I'm the guy who was hired to work with Obama because I was able to get Republicans Democrats to work together. That's part of my stick. That's part of what I'm selling to the American people if I take a huge dump on you for being an asshole and lying about what you just said. You know when when there's nine of us on stage somebody's GonNa, come to your defense and then I got attack them to know forget it when he got with. Bernie. That's when trump got nervous when when the last debate with Bernie. You know he's been bought they watched it apparently as part of prep. The his people were saying you gotta sit down you gotTa Watch this and that was the day was like he's on something he's got to be on drugs or he's gotta be gotta be taken something. He must know some does he have the the limitless pill? How did Biden get so good at this all of a sudden he started shitting his diaper and the same thing is happening. Now that's why he's like we should have a drug test like have one we think private provision gonNA show up on a drug test you dumb ass meanwhile coke asteroid. I know coking. But. Here's the thing you know what I always say if you recall when Biden debated Paul Ryan. Just like you know, he just dressed him. I mean just laughing at them and go. And you know and his his thing how Chriswell the moderate Chris Wallace is not afraid Kuala trump when his life, right? Right and you have Chris Wallace. Now, who are GONNA call him out and if if I'M Advising Biden I'm saying you have to call him out on every says you have to do it. He does go wrong on Yeah. You know and just call them out. Yeah. Yeah and he'll and by do you know they go they're they're supposed to go out there with no notes they can write stuff down. It's a weird little college debate prep kind of thing because you got Kelly mckinney. Kaley Kennedy coming out with her binder of lies and she can hear you watch your like find a trigger word something somebody says, he goes up page sixty, five I, need an Iraq. Lie You know page seventy, two, I needed an adderall lie whatever it is he's got a whole book of them. So she's doesn't feel like she's lying personally she's just the delivery system for the lies that the press office setup it's the way she wears cross feels like she can get away with it. With him and he's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah and so her like her lying about it is just brutal to watch. Well, they can't come out there do that and trump's rambling nonsense. How many times can you say in the same debate? We created the greatest economy in the world up against the guy who's going go the trade deficit is higher. Now than it was when you took office, there are eight nine point one, it's actually ten point six minimum. Right now, as far as unemployment goes according to CNBC and the Wall Street Journal, and all the people who actually give a shit because they make money off this stuff like do you want to see people freaking out about how shitty trump is a a as a leader? They'll go to MSNBC NBC or CNN when they're having in their more like. liberal-leaning segments or whatever go to go watch street programming. Those people think he's frigging ridiculous and it's GonNa fail. They're like this is awful. They're all voting for Biden just because of he'll stabilize the market like he did last time after the last Republican screwed the pooch exactly exactly. All right last question. All right. Why are we letting him get away with disobeying the Hatch Act I mean he keeps on using the White House as a prop, and that's our money that is paying for the White House and he's using it as like a campaign rally. I I will say. That it is it has one hundred percent to do with Kobe. He's getting away with it because of Kobe because Kobe giving. Limiting. Saying limits the travel of the president and other people in. Places that are available and Yada, Yada Yada that's that's their argument. You know exit exigent circumstances caused the fact that we had to do it from the White House and we didn't want to move the first lady out of here. So we might as well have people you know five people come here and we can clear them and test them and get them out. That's the excuse they're going to use, and they'll never be a full hatch act violation on this except for the money that changed hands to do it later on and that's next year If if he's not in office because they'll bury all this stuff to just like they did the inauguration slush fund. Bats. Yeah. That's why that's I mean because of Kobe you have a lot more leeway. Like the hatchback would go at one hundred that's why Pelosi in them aren't going after it. That's why because because the defense will be Kobe is a mess and why are you even calling these things? You're getting people in a room together and you went to a hair salon. It'll be a waste of everyone's time. It's the law and it should be more firm and what we what we've really found out. I think in the big lesson from the trump presidency is there were a lot of norms that we considered laws when they weren't they were just norms and they've got to become laws. You if you're going to run for president. You should have to. Satisfy certain elements of background check. You should at least be legally allowed to be a babysitter. Leg. And and you should have to provide ten years of taxes. Not and not as an option. But because we need to know if you have any financial liabilities, you're getting security clearance, you should have to go through the same security clearance to run. As anybody who works right next to the president why should you be different and if you can't pass it, the people should know that and they can go you know. You can make. The law that it needs to be. Whatever your clearance was Has To be given to the public, but they can make their decision whether or not. You passed to vote for you or not like you can't stop you from running, but it can let the the country now. That kind of thing. You know even show you what's in their taxes. If they haven't committed any crimes, you can look at their Jackson sketchy or it's okay. All right. How do me a favor first of all thanks again for coming order absolutely. Sorry. No. At all yet listen I've had internet problems to. But. So. Good here. That's the thing it's like got. We just moved here and it up to our quality. So now I'm like like when it works I'm like Oh my God, this is a miracle, and then when it goes out, I'm like the world I'm going to have to go back to thirty. Mega. Megabytes a second upload. This is horrifying. A So. Anything that you got going on. I'll be streaming trump's remarks tonight. My stream today on Thursdays at four o'clock. Pacific Time at Hal sparks dot live or at twitch dot TV slash l sparks or on my facebook page or or on periscope. If you hang out on twitter, you can watch that way So there you know there's and you can people can become a subscriber on twitch if they're an Amazon prime member, which is one of the best reasons to go on there is there's tons of people. Who are Amazon prime members and you get to do it for free? It didn't cost you anything and it pays the channel. Four you, which is really cool. You get one free subscription month, which is really cool and. So, yeah. So how's sparks dot live twitch dot TV slash l sparks are follow me on twitter at how sparks and Instagram Hussein You know. I'll see you next week. We're are going to have a text stream. That's what I WANNA do next with you. We're or log on I'm going to record a zoom call with you and run through all this stuff with you and we'll post it later it doesn't have to be live because the. Because the. I think the chat will scream at you, but we'll. We'll make it happen. Now I love you pal. U2 absolutely it look forward to seeing you in future very soon. All right I'll see you. Out Sparks. Everybody I I love how sparks man I told you had to be something because you know how hal is not someone that. Is unreliable professional and I and that's what I said I. Go I started has to be something. But I. Think. It was a great show I. Know David Wiseman was a little hard to hear but you know. I still love his take. He's a veteran and you know I love to get. His opinion of what he thinks about this note tarred who keeps on trash in the military. The guy is an idiot. And Yeah I'll do the debase. The debate with the pace. Like once you I'm GONNA put my link-up again that's how donate to the. 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Episode 164: A Monumental Celebration

Latinos Who Lunch

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Episode 164: A Monumental Celebration

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Las Vegas remember when I had a beautiful studio here on my God, those were the good all day of. First Unofficial Latinos who lunch to remember is it the same? It's on the same building. It's a different one shot to the jewel J. U.. H. L. in Las Vegas. For having me here for another apply be for like three or four months. So this is nice. I set up a little recording studio and a closet so. Back in the closet baby Thanksgiving all over again. That's exciting. I'm back in Vegas I'm. Just going from my house, my studio living the dream. Team, you know. Trying to help these gas institutions over here in Vegas one petition at a time. You know doing unpaid Labor for all these fucking. White people. Doing all the violins is kind of like. Once you start seeing. It's like labor, the never fucking ands, but God bless you. God bless you i. I noticed a lot of things that you've been working on, so that's amazing. What are you up to where you at what's going on with your life? So I am in Chicago two weeks from moving. It's been a whole entire deal, but before I tell you. Meyer deal. Let's talk about food none of. This is my episode. What are you doing? Okay okay, okay, okay, so I was put on hold by my school. Because of covert and non tenure track positions, and I talked about another episodes were now gonNa be renewed, and they were like online protests. The Union got one thing about Chicago men like the unions here. The history of unions here goes way back and people are so well organized so people being pushing pushing pushing I mentioned. students road letters. They approach a local foundation, and they are in a way sponsoring my next couple of years so finally I was offered a contract, and that was negotiating between here and placing Colorado. I came down to the wire I. Didn't know I was. S. You'll more pincher frontiers, men and Colorado's like fuck. I'm just GONNA. Leave my best prairie life and divorced from all this shed, but ultimately I have. I have a foundation here like students have been incredible and we decided to stay here, so we're going to be here for two more years, but only. The whole thing is that we had to give up our lease so now we don't have an apartment. Yes so we end up doing is I just talked to my school. I said. Did you just have to promise me that? I'm gonNA teach online because you put me through all the shed and now I don't have an apartment, so we're GONNA go to the West Coast for the rest of the year. We rented a little place in California so we'll. Just, continue writing, and the goal is to finish this damn book proposal that I keep putting off because of I have all these other projects going on, so the and the thing is with everything that is going on it just. Put things in perspective that the reality is that I am considered. A professor of color the any I don't have the same opportunities that this. Bird White Privilege astles. You know so. Competing for jobs is so complicated for somebody like me in I, have to have a bulk or a book project or at least a book contract, so I just gotTa Hustle so for next hiring season I become a better candidate so I can compete with all of this privilege Fox. You know, but. It is what it is, so we are about to take a road trip across this country in a couple of weeks, so just prepping for all of that and. Busy busy visit just writing writing writing. How are you? Yeah, well I have a couple of things to say. I'm I have noticed that you have been using commas in your email, so you're almost. GonNa get your dream job soon I'm. Very proud of you for that. 'cause I don't know how many years I asked. You sign off and you put a signature and this. Is Kill Writing I. Still. Don't understand this language man like I am so blessed to live with such a good writer that that's all my does. Oh, my editing like gala gramatica towards a better way, just doing shit in Spanish when we have to come to this fucking country, and then now was learning this basic shed when I was already starting to look into like all this academic staff. Union in them, which has cost I don't know I mean. Yeah? That's true. Saito put. Literally showed you, but it's okay. I'LL! Step by step and you used to learn. But where are you? Where's your road trip part of California? California's a big state girl, right? Where are you moving to? I want to do research in Pasadena, so we'll come. Woman. With those day owned, so I'm just because everything is close I'm just making appointments in the the Huntington. That's where I wanted do research. They have all my documents. There girl. I had a friend who worked there. I'm, we could talk off Mike about that place. Oh my God! Oh, yeah, I mean. Yes, it's a thing anyway, so, but we decided to move to my favorite fucking place in the world, which is Joshua Tree. All. My you are GonNa, live your white Brouhaha fantasy bitch, you better get your crystals in order. Coming honey, you gotta get ready. Distancing Bitch. There's nobody around me so. I can't fuck in weight is. Nice you're fucking air conditioning bills going to be crazy, but it's going to be nice. It's all included AIRBNB baby. On airbnb fantasy? It'll be like you out there. Looking to the side taking pictures. How the next youtube videos are coming from. I come in from the desert. Speaking of fantasy. Tell me more about your residency right now. well. I've been trying really hard to be productive the last two weeks, but like I said I've been. Doing a lot of work behind the scenes trying to. Trying to help people at the NEON museum can go more into that I. Think, go more into it in the Patriot. Because I did update with might the last time that was pretty. And intense and whatever. I don't want to bore everybody with the details, but yeah, I'm in the studio space but honestly. I've just been like on my computer the last two weeks. just emailing and writing things and you know adding podcasts and interviewing people this that that meeting people. All my gosh. It's so weird and this time to like meet. People I've I've done in person meetings like. The park outside of a restaurant. You know like because because of covid. But it's really opened my eyes to why people aren't as vocal and aren't as you know like when when there's so many injustices in the world we want to do the best we can and do our part, but being an activist, and actually doing the work is really hard, and it doesn't pay and nobody. I mean nobody really volunteers to help you because they know that it's hard work, and and like burnout is a real thing, so I'm trying to figure all of that out, and because I can't do by myself anymore, and there is a bunch of people that are helping me behind the scenes, but none of them. Everybody's anonymous, obviously because they're like connected to this institution, so they can't be like I. need another. Another person that can be like public like me. You know what I mean right, but anyway I'm figuring all that out. but I am enjoying my time here in the studio I. Hope to start making some paintings pretty soon. I'm also sharing it with my good sister. Lance Land Smith is an amazing artist. Google Land Smith Art, They are amazing, so they're showing the studio space with me, About. It's like an upstairs downstairs situation so I. Actually took the smaller space upstairs, so that leads could have more space to paint downstairs, ons. Just in a panel together. This was an online symposium organized by Arche Toby Foundation. The panel name is gays and place the act of traveling invention of this donations on. We can put the links on the on the website. And Man. He's fucking amazing. He made me think about Vegas in a completely different way, and it was so interesting because. The idea of traveling and mobility has changed now you know 'cause everybody, fantasize and romanticized, just traveling and going from one place to another, but at the at the bottom line of that is that. Not only is a form of privilege. Betty Costs Allied in its to the environment and to a lot of different things, and he has a traveling and tourist. Thing it's like. It's such a hasn't such an oppressive history and now artist residencies are rethinking. You know the role within. Mobility but also within everything that is happening right now. The protests and everything so it was it was. It was really cool to talk to land and other umbrella from all over the world and this panel. It was pretty pretty bad ass. Sorry, I interrupted. You just got excited because I this just a couple of weeks ago. No, it's fine. This podcast is about you go on. I never talk on this podcast, this is. I'm the only one that talks. Really I'm sorry, listen. Anyway I. Don't WanNa talk about same fucking bullshit nobody cares about. What we're doing anyway. Let's talk about food. Let's talk about what what have you been eating? BABS? I have been eating a lot. fucking pastries ongoing nuts, and the thing is that I'm I'm giving myself like five to seven hours a day of just writing and editing and everything so I wake up I, have like my boom may just make coffee cake. And then banana cake and cheesecake and sour dough bread so I wake up. One and then like two three hours later. Metallica Cafe Goma's caffeine on MC, more pastries, and then I think I have like. Three to four servings of pastries all day long video I need this sugarman, so I can be writing. So that's exactly what I'm meteorologist meeting Banana, coffee cake and some some. Nanna slash coffee, cake, no or a banana and coffee cake exactly but I also just had banana bread like an hour. With chocolate chips off. Oh my God imagine a banana nut. Chocolate chip coffee cake. Which I'm sure. My, sister said we recipe of today's legis pound cake I was like what the fuck is that something from from Arta Stewart, but see so my excuses like fuck because I'm still doing all those online videos and shoutout out to fitness blender fitness blender. has this fucking videos online and they're just like? A basic ask couple from from Seattle I think it is, but as soon as all this black lives matter started. They put an amazing amazing statement on their website, and no other fucking websites are doing that, and there were over a thousand comments from everybody, just fucking, thanking them for what they did in their words so out to them. Because you know, the videos are simple, you can follow along, and they're fucking aware and they're bullshitting anybody, but anyway so my excuses that I'm jumping and doing all this shit. Loma own now. LA BANCA PARASITIC CEO. So three days ago I was like. Fuck it I'm GONNA, exercise and meeting. All this have to do it. Blah Blah Blah. But I bought some cheap has. Best us in. Think was. Not Not the end of wounds so instead of tie. You know how you you is that kind of? You can change, so you can add or take away, but the the thing that ties them together. Wasn't that tight so I was doing this exercise. I describe the weights though I don't understand how the weight is basically a little, it's like a little bar and you had like different small plates to it you. It's almost like they. They're like dumbbells, but you can take away, so you can make them ten twenty thirty. Okay. They're like dumbbells that you can snap more weight onto exactly. Okay so I was doing this chess exercise. You bring the weight on top of you. and because he doesn't hide hard enough. The weights fell in my face Oh my God did anybody that on video bitch? It was over forty pounds, and that was bleeding like crazy. On the front of your face in my on my face less last. By did did you just like bleed everywhere? It was it was there was a lot of blood it was your nose didn't break aid. It's luckily did embedded million pincher wake number. You go to the doctor. No, you should broken years. No fucking Latino overall. You didn't go to the tax. Doesn't needed fifteen stitches, but. Daughter Essie Stanley. Money. WHAT THE FUCK! What happened so like I think I went in shock, so I was. Like. I remember that screaming and. Morella. GonNa, Manno May lemony was full of fucking blood, so he did it again. But I couldn't talk, so I went to the bathroom, and I just put my face on the water, and he was just like running. Running water in my husband is like what's going on. Are you okay? What do I do? What's going on and I don't think I. I mean I. Don't know like I couldn't react and finally one point. He's like I. Just need you talk to me. Are you okay and I'm like Oh. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm fine I. Think I'm fine, but I was shaking and. Dramas Damn went away. Make mcchord DOLL Asoka Maverick Okita Makoto so like I just put ice in it in close. Did but I was bleeding for a while. Oh my gosh I, cannot believe that see. That's why you shouldn't work out. Telling y'all. Dangerous look. You got to wear a full helmet now, Bro, you gotta get a motorcycle helmet to work. Oh, my Gosh, that's so scary. It was really scary like afterwards and was like. Are you okay Oh, my God I'm so happy you're okay. Oh, like he was so scared because when you cut yourself in the face, it's extra men, and it's just blood and blood and blood and blood. So all, my God I, remember when I was a kid. My brothers and I when my mom listen y'all. I don't understand these kids nowadays because I remember when I turned eight years older like you're old enough to stay home alone now. You know. I'm eight years old. Oh, by the way your five year old. Brother, five and four year old brother. You'RE GONNA. Take care of them while we're gone, you know and so me and my birds were go. I've always been a nice person, okay? I wasn't a bad kid, and my brothers were really bad, so I was just had to like wrangle them usually because they were like, they used to call my little brother, that motto like he was crazy. Ecosystem mounted on dry. No, he was wild. I should be saying so. One day I remember. They went into my mom's room. And you know when you're a kid, you WANNA do all you want to do is jump on the fucking bad, because that's the one thing you're not allowed to do exact. And so my brother was jumping on my mom's bed. And you remember those those goal from the from the eighties that were like they're like Purple Green and black, and it was like faux marble, and then like accents of gold. Remember the SAVANNAHS. Every! Them. They're like full marble parent, so they're so good. Remember those I remember those five on us and. And I went in there and I was like. Oh God. What are you guys doing? Get outta here. And right when I was trying to get them off the bed, my brother took this huge leap. And he jumped off the bed like towards the door. He sees us. Run out and he hit his head. On, the corner of one of the one of the dressers. Of the net. His head, or the top of his head just started bleeding, just dripping blood and I was like I. Don't know what the fuck to do. It must've been. An Angel watching from above or below, and my mom walked in when that happened like right after it happened, she walked in. She had just gone to the store or something. And My. My brother just bleeding and it was so amazing to see my mom's instincts. Them what happened I'm like? You know I'm just like freaking out. She's she's like Oh my God. There's blood okay. She grabbed my brother. She took him to the kitchen and she got a whole. She got a whole thing of Asuka. Blanca the white sugar. She opened the whole package of how you can buy the paper bags of sugar, like the two pounds of sugar, or whatever see one, but it's also kind of Blanca. Yeah and the pink packaging rotary. She fucking ripped it open. Dumped the whole bag of sugar on his head just like. White. And the blood like the the sugar coagulate like formed a scab. And formed a perfect scab on the top of his head. He Whistle Been Chihuahua that's it. That's what we did. Go to the doctor, not ask. 'CAUSE! Cassette. It'll heal. Jab because there's no, there's no barriers literally. Just your your bone. And the thing. Is that like because you're in the shock of what happens, it doesn't hurt. And that was the whole thing like I was like I was scared of going to the mirror and see what happened because I know. I knew that moment I'm like it doesn't hurt, but there's a lot of fucking so something must have happened so afraid of like touching it, and feeling like it actually broke local in the process of the Marina Laura's pinch emergency room, and then with the share with covert like a billion things went through my hand, but then I just you know like the. Way yellowy Kamala. Those sorts was good, so oh my gosh I'm alive. I must've. While looking at you I'm Looney Fund. Got Through Fun shut out to the homemade, God oh, my Gosh, so that's. Okay. Right. You don't WanNa. Know What I. Eight Nine Oh oh. Yes tell me everything. No, it doesn't matter, so we're gonNA take a little. We're GONNA take a little break, and then we're GONNA be right back with the topic at hand. We talked about monuments last episode. We re aired episode. We're going to talk about monuments one more time. not one more time. We're probably going to talk about him a lot more about after these messages will be back with some. 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The ABC's of Latina that coloring book on our website Latinos who dot com slash coloring book or go to the writer's block. It's only four hundred ninety nine people plus shipping. Didn't. Sh. And we're back. Okay here. We go so We talked about monuments in the past and you know there was this big movement back in two thousand seventeen of taking down these confederate symbols, confederate monuments across the nation, and that movement continues with this uprising right now, and remember everybody. it's still happening, even though you're not seeing it on social media, it's still happening. Please support local black lives. Matter Groups Support your independent grassroots organizations that are helping with the cause. Don't forget If you're not out on the streets you can, you can sign petitions. You can call legislators. Pick up the phone call Kentucky Legislators and representatives and ask for justice for Briana Taylor. You know you can do that and so I'm saying that because this removal of monuments is a really great thing, but it's also a way for city officials or people in power to to be performed, live and performance of. Them is something that I've been paying attention to a lot lately. And you know that applies to social media that applies to just you talking to people about you know civil rights or or black lives matter, but not actually doing anything about it. Let me tell you something. There's been record sales of like anti-racists books that have sold in bookstores across the nation that they were ordered like a month ago two weeks ago by white people, and they still haven't picked their buck and books up right. He was all ready I know it's fucking performance, and even the removal of a statute can be performed of. What happens after that statue was removed. What policies are put in place? Right so that this never happens again, you know. So a lot of things are happening right now that are just to kind of commerce down, and you know entire us out like okay. We got rid of this statue. We made a black lives. Matter Post We hired to black people now. Everybody calm down right and in five years. We're going to be back to the same fucking bullshit if we don't pay attention, you know what I mean. That's really good, because and the thing is one of the reasons why we talked about. When we refer to diversity will always referred to the D. Word. The recent is because of that because it's just vacuous. Because you can replay, you can hire more people of color, but that doesn't mean anything if you're actually not. You know serious about some some changes, so that's something that happens in every single level of every single institution so. If you're not? If people are using this time to really think about the ways, they can actually make a change outside of themselves, these center yourself people because many times. That changes that you WANNA create out there just for to make you feel better. You know you like to fill out a quota. Nothing's fucking GonNa Change. We are a society that is built out of empathy you know in the empathy always works one way, and it's always to benefit s you know, and it's not GonNa, fucking, do anything so they as you mentioned as we mentioned in the beginning with a podcast. This are changes that never stop like you never stop working in. That's just. Just the reality of it, but if everybody's really getting, you know like paying attention, but now as they are like substantial changes should be happening right now as opposed to just as you say a couple of of monuments, but I still think it's a good opportunity to start replacing some of these monuments with people that are actually have been fighting some real ass change, you know yeah for Real, and so you brought me this idea which is fun of coming up with three people, they should be honored with a monument with a statue, big bronze statue in the middle of old Timey Square next to a general store across from City Hall Oh America. I've I have three people that I. Want to talk about here but yeah, imagine a world where they take down on a question. You know Robert e Lee Statue and Something else somebody else that we could celebrate who are true people that we honor as let the knows as people of Color as queer people. You know that's kind of what I was thinking about when I was coming up with my list, and so I brought three. Did you bring three dubs? Yes, I also have three and night. What I did is I was. was trying in the spirit of our episode of monuments. Try to highlight some of the oppressive monuments of colonial line American history so I concentrated on that. That is not to say that there shouldn't be you know all this other monuments. The Breeding Queer Black in Latin history in the United States had just I was looking. I was thinking specifically about some of this. Some of these figures that it should be honored throughout Latin America and that's just in the United States you know. Okay you WANNA go I. I basically chose a figure that should be. A statue that should be eliminated and replace it with something else so for every Christopher Columbus Statue in God knows. We have a lot of those. This country went obsessed with Christopher Columbus. Around eighteen ninety two, you know with anniversary. And then there was a whole expo here in Chicago. In eighteen, eighty three I. think it was the Columbus. Expo CDs were named after Christopher Columbus. The United States to attach its legacy to you know an expansion somebody that is expanding the Empire for every Christopher Columbus could replace it with this fieger. Her name is Annika on now, and they're not gonNA was tightly no leader from. She was born in in Haiti and she actually was one of the first people to resist colonization against Spanish she convinced. Her family members for instance to fight Bartholomew Columbus. which was Columbus Brother so native resistance started happening since eighteen, thirteen, fourteen, ninety, three like within months after the so-called. Discovery of the Americas and this is a female leader, and this is one of our first native resistance leaders in this fucking continent and I haven't even heard of it before I. Put together my class so again her name is. On a diagonal leader, and we have to honor her legacy by fucking getting rid of some of this. Columbus Tattoo so that's my first one. I was thinking so now that I'm. You know. Trying to CH-. Do you know help organizations from the inside out? I am I've been part of administrative staffs for museums for nonprofits, and you know I've function in. The greater nonprofits slash you know big why our institution world, and so with that understanding of the way that the United States works I understand that putting up. A statue of a black person is very scary for white people right because anytime. There's just a black person period. Standing anywhere minding their own fucking business, it's a threat to be. Imagine, having a statue looking down at you that's going to scare a lot of these white people, so we got to ease them into it okay. Because, remember, let starry Oprah. I am also white passing Latino. The first. The first person I'm I'm picking is actually I respect way more than Oprah to be honest, which is crazy. But I don't know I have mixed feelings about Oprah lately. It's a lot a lot of. A lot of things that I just didn't see before I'm seeing very clearly now. She's on empire. Yes. My pick is and far away from her. Actually, all three of my suggestions for monuments are drag Queens today. which has let's go and the first one, and this is not an idea. This is not a brand new idea. I didn't make this up. This is actually going around. There's actual petitions going around to replace confederate statues with statues of Dolly Parton. I think that would be the first step, so my first nomination is Dolly Parton statues and I'm going to need three different versions of Dolly Parton. I will always love you. You know back in the day. Stays you know cute, little dress with a big big sixties, smooth beehive hair, and the big old chunky guitar you know. With the hummingbird or something like I want that. Dolly and then I want a eighty S. Feminists Dolly. which much money you have for this month, you. Get. People. I could re. If I was seriously going to raise money for Dolly PARTON statues the money in two days I would make a million dollars on. Go Fund Me Bitch three lower which yes, three hours I know, right. and then modern day Dolly of course, and that would be that would be. More of a relief sculpture algorithm. Mount Rushmore but on a building. I'm not I'M I don't. I don't want to colonize of native American land I I WANNA. Put it like. Oh, God maybe on the side of the of the Smithsonian of American pop culture. Maybe like. I. Don't know you know Ri- On the side of the Capitol building. Something like that. I think that would be cool. Did you Dolly Repose? Three different, dully pardon, representing different historical context, looking exactly the same fucking way, 'cause. That bitch does an age okay? It was going to start at least a lepetit. Don't tell me so I can sign all right. I'll have my people work on it. Back to Latin America so the Second Datu I. Think should replace all status of non-core tests. In decided tattoos of Golly view. Of Newark. New! York over Romero stay. The way in the middle. Of Gaspar Yanga Gaspar Gumbo Gaspar. Yanga, yes, Gus, by the younger was a Maroon leader Alpha colony of slaves in Veracruz Mexico, and he actually started one of the first revolutions of this entire motherfucking continent. This was. An attack on the colony that was a Spanish colony. Sixteen owned nine invite groups. Why don't we have his statue? Replacing got this I have no idea. Why don't we have him? In all of the fucking education history books of this country and every country in this whole entire continent I am not sure why not, but he is the leader of one of the firsts. Firsts again, if not the first revolution of this whole entire fucking continent again gas, but a young guy. You don't know who he is Google. Loca and again that's for every especially right now. Bitch! There's so many shows around like on Kista because the conquest happened between the invasion. The don't want to call it. The KISTA the invasion of the nostitz land of the. The state capital today's Mexico. City? Happen Between Fifteen nineteen and fifteen twenty one, and there's all these fucking TV, shows and movies I think Steven. Spielberg was GONNA do a movie in their idealising the whole thing. They call it at key Stan. They always show La Melinda, which was a translator of Cortes falling in love with Cortez, and all of that show is Bullshit I. I! Mean so right now is the time to rethink our relationship with that with that idealize idea of of the meaning of two worlds. You know like they're the native world, the Americas and the European world like it so much more complicated than that so again, there and there's so many figures that could replace a lot of those a lot of those fogging. idealization you know because we're all about the encounter and romanticizing that shit, but anyway about a younger. It's my second my second figure that they'll get the okay. My second figure would be. My favorite all time drag queen. One and only. Celje crews. A Thinning. So would replaceable BELUGAS WITH My God! Wouldn't that be a? Beautiful tribute. Oh my goodness. Buildings in big cities like they different cities, they change colors according to the National Day, which should share sell the status of of Celia Cruz change the belugas according to the celebration. I definitely think that cruise. Is that you? Should light up. Where would we put it? Probably Miami Pussy. You wonder I wonder where would be the best place? I think. I, think the national. Mall also I think that would be. Yeah. Yeah right Let's see. Where should we put it I? Think yeah, right in front of the white. House sudden w perfect. Actually. Must be replaced the White House with the whole. Nobody goes to the to the Jefferson Memorial, or whatever let's put it over there there. You'll that people actually go there, you know. Yeah. Which which which one? She's an icon man, and I feel like before I knew what I let that was. She was the first representation that I saw on television of of that culture and of those people because after Latini. That is erased most of the time. That's still an issue. We talk about today all the time and crews. Even though she didn't really. Talk about all the time you know. She was the representation that a Lotta. People I saw on television. And so I actually really loved Selah cruise because she reminded me of my grandmother, my grandma had accrues look very similar my Guatemalan grandma. Yeah, and so I always had a love for her ever since I was little because when I would see her on TV on, you know whatever show. She was on silo. He didn't they or on a talk. Show or a music video It was really the only time I saw people like my grandma on on TV and so Latin, American culture is very very whitewashed. If you watch the news, all you're going to see is basically white reporters right the only time you really saw. was on on comedy shows, and they were making fun of people or in sports you know, and so it was, it was really great to have somebody like Celje on on TV as the representation and. And You know it's not fair to say that she was the only one, but that's the one that really stuck out to me. And yeah I wanted to stick with the theme of drag, Queens and cruces. Ultimate one. That's perfect. Yeah, like chat out to the Black Student Union in UIC wrote a letter. Say Okay, so you all talking about diversity. What the fuck are you GonNa do and as as a department like the art history department. Like WHOA. Yes, this is this is true. What are we going to do it I? I am committed to do a class on Afro, Latino History and art history in in in the. The colonial period because we, there's a lot of those. There's a lot of talk about her Latini in my classes, but not a specific class about it and I don't think there's a lot of classes on the colonial period on on I. Mean I just talked about Gaspar Yanga. You know there's just like the contributions goal way way way back from as early as the fifteen hundred sixteen hundred. So you're absolutely right. Okay? So third and last one so for every every stat to all every statue of. Alexander. Von Humboldt and I can tell you that I've seen tons. There's a huge park here. Call one humbled park. There's parks in Mexico City. They're statues. Invite accrues that I've seen. Alexander van humbled was a Prussian. He was his germond quote unquote travel. This holiday used to call them. So the the Spanish crown basically gave money, and gave the permission to humbled to come to the Americas to explore. And he visited everywhere in South America, he took a lot of scientific information about the height of volcanoes in in bed. Who in? Columbia and and of course the writings that come along with that Shit with that quote unquote, second wave of discovery are so problematic. The utilize the regional knowledge of native peoples to be you know used for their quote, unquote universality. You know because whatever the Europeans teach you. It's the truth about the whole entire fucking world, so needless to say is that he's contributions were important in scientific terms, but he was just another fucking Christopher Columbus and for that fucking reason. Latin America fucking limos levels way they fuck in love him, and their tattoos of him I want to see the status of humbled be replaced by the stat. Do Buck Amato. And Tobacco model was a leader of the native resistant movement of the Eighteenth Century mid to late eighteenth century in Peru. We know a little bit about him. Because two packs, mom name him after this Peruvian if resistant leader and nobody talks about him when he was a fucking bad ass, and there's so many different communities in South America in Chile them Butcha in different parts of the Andes. They never stop. We think about the conquest or the invasion or the colonial period losses biology Garand Keystone always. Ya will not dude like there were so many areas around the Americas, would they? Never they could never conquered. They could never take over. And the the the revolutions that were started a rump, who because of tobacco, motto, legendary in the history books in South America. We should know more about them so if we're going to celebrate this astle Alexandra on humbled. Who came here to eat? Pray Shit, I mean eat pray love through. Throughout the Americas, we should also know the history of two buck a model, so that is my third choice. Noise All right, my third choice is. Niagara Twain. But speaking speaking of of stonewall. Pride month is over her. Thank God and It's been very interesting because I took a deep dive and started learning more about stonewall, because actually watched the drunk history of stonewall and they credited. Marcia Johnson a Trans Woman that was there for throwing the first stone or brick or bottle or whatever. but statuette WANNA see? That'd be an amazing statue so yeah, that's one for real. And so she actually was not there until the riot, which it wasn't really a riot. A lot of people that were there would say it was more of a demonstration or you know a revolt. You know. It wasn't a riot, but. That's what it's written down as in history right, and so the other people that were there. Though a lot of them claim that the first, punch. That was thrown at stonewall was bus may attain. None other Jessica Simpson. which I mean. All of them with the Lindsay Lohan? Is the. More than that. It was through my Anna Nicole. Smith, first brick thrown at stonewall was by Kelly Clarkson. I'm just trying to get the most basic white girl. The first brick thrown at stonewall by jo-jo. Okay, so wait. Where was I damn lost track of what I was saying? There's a lot of misinformation out there about stonewall and also stonewall movie that came out recently. They like gave credit to this blonde white guy when it was an obviously trans women drag Queens Butch Lesbians. That were the ones also there. You know fighting the fight, so speaking of again of a set it up again. The first person throw a punch according to. Several accounts severs. Stormy, Della va okay stormy was and later in her life, became a bouncer and she was, she was not. I don't know if she was the bouncer at Stonewall, but she was a bouncer around Christopher Street in new. York and different in different bar. She was kind of like a local celebrity. Everybody knew who should show US and she's like so fascinating. There's really great interviews of her. In the early two thousands talking about stonewall and talking about her career, so she was an entertainer when she was younger, beautiful beautiful woman. And a beautiful handsome man She actually performed as a woman, and as a man on stage. one of her one of her debut shows. was called the jewel box revue, which was gender bending show back in the I. Think it was the nineteen forties and. she would go on and sing, and she had a very beautiful like low baritone voice, and she was actually arrested I think a couple of times doing drag even back in the day because it was still illegal, I, some stories I heard was that they even thought that she was a. she was a man dressed as a woman when she would present herself hyper feminine. Stage because that's how that's. How much of that you know, stubbornness just came out I would like to dedicate a statue and and put one up of her in New York It would be really cool if it was in front of Stonewall or in central park or wherever they removed any of the old Columbus statues in How York. Yes it should be. Stormy up there so shot up to a fucking king. We love you and your gaze. Learn your history Derek Berry. Nobody died at stonewall. Okay, and it was you know. Interest happens in history. A lot like one thing is like is said, be the beginning of a movement, but there was many incidences stonewall in La in new. York in I should say in Chicago and in New Orleans. That even proceeded stonewall. There was a movement already happening, and it's a reminder to all of us I think that this black lives matter movement that has that has popped up again. It's been happening for a long time. y'All. It's nothing new, so don't be like. Why do we have to talk about are now like? Talking about it before, so it's good. It's progress because I'm having a lot of conversations with a lot of people that I would never openly had never known in two, thousand, seven, or whatever and so there's definitely progress, but there's still so much fucking work to do. Are we going to say babs? I think when you add a narrative to history, it becomes more successful so if you have a whole story behind a specific moment of your pinpoint like. Dosa the October Squadron Atar. The eat arrives specifically at this moment so like we're gonNA, Iraq, the monument writing this precise place, so all of that helps to to legitimize the met or or the movement or the idea, but the reality is, there's always so much more. This is one of the things that I learned from my knowledge Rodriguez, which was in one of our episodes. She said we always talked about the victims in lynchings when he comes to Lynchings of Michigan Austin Texas which she studied, and we always concentrate in the mail buddy, but what happens to the wife's and the daughters and the mothers that survived those men you know. They were fighting for the rights of this Mexicans within this lands. You know that they originally belonged to them, so the fights before they were hang during the process of lynching, and then afterwards, the same thing with his native resistant movements is just one day gospel, youngest thirty watching. On. Amazon. Like isn't that that you know like it's a long process. He'd always involves a Lotta people. Many times the discontent of an entire fucking community, not just one person, but we always have to have that face that represent us. Things have much much much much more complicated than that. You know it's Betty Complex very very very okay, so let's take a little break. We're GONNA. 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"The dental for Noor podcast. Okay doctor it's time to put down that hand piece. You're listening to the show dedicated to helping dentists get their lives back. It's time to decrease your stress, increase your ability and regain your passion now introducing your host Dr Mark Costas. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of the dental from podcast armor host. Dr Marcus, this episode being brought to you by the dental success network dental success network, dot com slash free forty-five, get your test drive to the most positive and educational network in all of dentistry huge group. One of the largest incredible continuing education library. We'd love to see you over there. Make. Sure you give us a try come on over on what you're waiting for. We'd love to see their This is part two of my. Very interesting interview with Dr Andrew Church in my buddy from Aspen. Colorado previously from Manhattan. New. York City on Fifth Avenue. There I love his story how he was willing to give up a huge thriving practice right there in Manhattan and traded in. For a not so certain future of following his passions of skiing and cosmetic dentistry to the mountains of Colorado, and how he was able to overcome the odds and build a thriving cosmetic practice as well as continuing education hub right there in Colorado. If he has haven't listened to part one of our interview to make a whole lot more sense if he stopped this. Audio right now go listen to part one and then come on back and listen to part two. If you've already listened to part one, enjoy part two of my discussion with Andrew Touching. Yes. Have a great day and we'll talk soon I suppose I never asked you this question specifically before but you know you talk about some of these other case presentation Gurus especially when they're talking about full mouth reconstruction or full mouth. Rehab. Not necessarily cosmetic but full mouth reconstruction and and many times you know lifting vertical and all that stuff and. They're talking about bring the spouse in allow two to three hours you know the work is going to end I kind of expected to hear that from you I'm I'm actually a little bit a little bit surprised by your answer I couldn't do it I I mean I I'd be out of business and I imagine most of those guys teach a lot and I know I. Love to teach I left a lecture. It's a wonderful thing but it's only something I like to do because I like to share and if If that was my business. Know I could support my family nasty and that's for sure if I was a doing what everybody else does here, which is prep a lot of teeth every day. I wouldn't be in business I probably spend a little more time talking than others because they're real says all you need a crown people ground and I do plenty of that as well. but I I think it's an interesting thing to start my patients. If I want to do a lot of this work I spent a little more time and it's only a half an hour. That's the thing. It's a half an hour if he can't dial it down to a half an hour then I think it's it's counterproductive right? So I hear what you're saying I, believe you but. There I still feel as though the cosmetic picky people are little crazier. I mean, we all you know if we get. A hundred new five star reviews to Google. In a two month period of time. I remember. The three one-star reviews. I, remember their names and I remember exactly what they said in their reviews and the ninety seven are just like, okay. Thank you. But I'm going to focus on these three the the crazy ones where you could have done everything flawlessly I could have I've could've prepped it with no pain perfectly done perfect margins perfect contact perfect con tour shade and they still would have had. Something to say about the something that somebody did or said during their procedure and they're just they're they're they're not the type of person that would be satisfied with anything. Do you think that you have a higher percentage of those and what do you do with those crazy people? I don't think I have a higher percentage I. Honestly think that I've a lower percentage I mean okay. I. Think I've had it run of lately to be honest and I may because the lunar cycle I think there's been a there something. There's been a full moon and I truly do have an uptick in craziness. Depending on the lunar cycles. Crazy. I I've seen it, and by the way I believe in the mood I don't sleep for three days around the full moon. Every single mom that's I, didn't know that I used to complain I'd come into although office over and over again say every every month I didn't realize I didn't sleep last night I sleep like a baby usually and once a month and somebody my office said, you know every time you come in the full moon know that and I'm like. So tighter Wolfenden. Could Be, let's not talk about my. Suitcase here. Okay. So you think you have less. Than the time I've been it's average and I think part of it is. I I think people get crazy. Some people are just crazy. Let's just say there's a few crazy people but I think. As dentists. Can make people crazy. I know people at some patients can make me crazy I believe me I had A patient I just had a patient I, just I couldn't believe I won't even get into take too long but I had a very difficult patient to post your units and Sh- I think she was absolutely insane but. Even with not withstanding the fact that she was insane and I think normally under less stressful times and again I don't think the stress is practice related or. COVID related. Another words worried about getting it. I'm not worried about getting it on not worried that my business suffering I'm not worried about any of these things but I it's it's changed our billy to do the things that we're used to doing, and that's stressing people out not having the normal outlets now. I. Urge. I. Certainly have not and I think I've been less patient with the crazies and therefore they become crazier because I didn't listen. and. Say Patients. It's not about time. It's like I don't WanNa hear you just I know you're slightly crazy and everything so I'm human and I think I think a huge part of doing this type of suffer anything at a high level anything at high level you have to have the mindset and the mindset. One of my favorite things about mindset is doing a practice of the things that. Build your inner strengthen wellbeing and happiness and confidence or be WanNa call that and I mean for you. It's exercise and boxing and and these things and for me. It's skiing and Live music and and being with my family which I'm sure. But. Those are you know we should all know our list and I urge everybody especially in this tough time. To take a piece of paper, right two columns and on one side confidence boosters and. Competence suckers on the other side and list them and and just I realized that we're in a place where we're some of our confidence boosters we're having less of those and we're having more confidence suckers and like you said, it's the three negative things not the so we really should concentrate on getting rid of the the things. That aren't working for confidence and that's you know that's a huge part of it and just cross out tasks at work. We don't like delegating I mean your your master of all so. Anyway, just a simple exercise to keep the mindset right to perform at a high level. I. Think it's a really good idea right now I love it. That's really really good device specially right now Let's. Let's switch gears here a little bit I. I. WanNa i WanNa hear specifically what it is that you do with doctors and how you teach courses and what specifically goes into the training what are your docs learning fascinated by by your approach? Awesome thank you we have. So we have three kind of things I. Mean I do one off little lectures like I think a couple of years ago GSI did getting patients to yes. which was Very. Well received. Yes us. Thank you. and. So maybe I should have said by the way, this only takes a half an hour of Dr Time. I had no idea that it was that quick. Honestly. To you missed the points with. Thank you for pointing out that. Three, our guy I could I couldn't do it. I'm not that patient I. Think we all have to be patient as this case stuff but not that patient there's. To make it really efficiently we do are just so to be clear, we do our full mouth reconstruction in twenty clinical hours, and we get a very hefty fee for that. It's You know as good as doing you know some implant work and everything else. So we get to charge right and we we also get to do it efficiently. So. Sorry what was the question? I but I will say that I'll get back to the question, but I will say that with that comes. A really high level of lab work like you have onsite ceramics that you've literally brought in from all over the country and out of the country you have the Ferrari of of dental lab technicians in in inside your facility. So it's not without investment that you receive this high compensation for what you do. Yeah it's it's true but. And yes. We're GONNA high compensation but I would argue that. This could be done with Sarah if you're if you're that kind of guy, you know the guy that says I want just do everything with Sarah. It's such predictable thing we're talking about you know the if if we ever get we welcome reading too much fun with this, but the do a blueprint method. Our process about copying something. So there's nothing better than digital to do this I mean we're trying digital everyday to do this. It's just not quite where we needed yet. And we're still doing everything at Hog, but we'll get there real soon and I think that'll be I think that'll really expand who can do this and who wants to do it because some guys are just stuck on digital and don't want to. Do it the analog way, but it lends itself to digital actually because we're talking about having a blueprint and process that copies the original with some refinements and things like that. So So my question back to my question was well, let's specifically are your courses and what is your method for training docks that either come out to you or if if you go to them what is your trainings? What are your trainings look like? So, we have we have three different trainings. One is the simple and the one offs like we talked about but we do We do a full day lecture and I. This is my thing I want to give it all every time I speak. I don't mean give it all like I. Mean Give all the information I could possibly fit into that into that timeframe. So in a full day, I could give my entire process that we do that. I did that in Tennessee Today Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry and and a few others. So we do a full day program and that's great but it's all lecture. My whole goal is to give people knowledge in a way that they'll feel confident using it, and although it got great reviews and was extremely, you know I was told it was most thorough full day they ever had which was quite an honor because they had quite a few pretty well-known speakers. But The second one of my favorites is at middle ground. It's our. It's our four day course in Aspen it's an over the shoulder. It's hands on and it Sta Dacic lectures in what I love about that is it gives information in three different ways and it gives information in a way that. I'm sure you're embarrassed I can't imagine you. Would it be? Oh Yeah. I mean of course, of course, and many of his off shoots I I have one degree separation from Tim in many many ways with Peter. Attiyah and Jaakko and lots of people that that I've come across that are offshoots of of Tim Ferriss but I've never actually met him personally yet yet but. I love the yet very important word in life, right? Yes. Yes. but Tim really popularized the idea of accelerated learning. And I'm a big fan of it. We don't need to know pipers classifications for full mouth reconstructions. We don't for cosmetics. We don't need it That's nice information if you WANNA get geeked out. And on Joint Health Or better in other words they should be better. But the point is we're not gonNA, we're not gonNA Nor Joint Health and we're going to make sure it doesn't get worse but we can't necessarily cure all joint issues just like I don't know North thought can cure my knee but So our process is to teach people the information they need to know on Monday to get going that's my goal and without doing a two year continuum. Continuum are wonderful I mean I'm a big fan of Dawson Panky. And I mean, I've been to parts of all them. I've been lucky enough to practice with a couple of them myself and I learned over the shoulder I learned in the real world and for me early people like and there's a lot of people like me I learned best seeing doing. That's how I learn. You could sit in a lecture hall for months at I won't quite get as much as having seen a patient, go through the process and see where the you know the pitfalls are then projections are and then and what and what works in. That's how I learned. So I designed my program to be that. And to bring people into the opportunity as much as possible and even in my full day lecturers it's it's a lot of clinical slides and it's you know video showing people some very simple techniques that are are huge to to make things work predictably. So I have extremely accurate processes in my office and everybody that comes by chorus gets. Everything. Every checklist that we do clinically in every appointment in our. Cosmetic work has checklists are planning has checklist. So it's relatively systematic i. mean our smile design is really algorithm. You could plug it into excel spreadsheet in mathematically tell you where to move teeth in what to do with the length and everything else. So it's it's really It's a recipe, it's a recipe and Doesn't mean one smile. It's everybody. But at this process, the blueprint process and they get there, they get their point to speak and I cut my patients off. Sometimes we go at the end of our prep appointment they get temporaries they well I. I. I always say you know this is where you could suck a lot of time away his bothered to listen to. I completely understand you might not like this for now I might not like it either but honestly, I can't you can't tell your nomin you're tired I'm. Tired. We're going to see in a few days. And we're going to have a whole appointment just so he could hear all your thoughts and your thoughts after having really looked at things over a few days looked in the mirror when you're not numb and everything else. Say. Listen. You'RE GONNA have lots of criticism. I have a whole appointment for that. That's fine and that's really the mindset we have to go into instead of feeling like Oh my cosmetic case in go right because somebody didn't like the temps instead it's like, no, let's let's no they're not kind of liked attempts anticipate that and rehearse your response to that and have like have like a standard way of responding to I'd love that like you know that they're going to to drone on and on for another forty five minutes about questions and you know exactly how to handle it. That's cool. That's probably why you don't think that that many of your patients are. Difficult. Because you actually have rehearsed on how to handle that executive difficult and shut them down when they start talking about at the wrong moment I I know I know I, know I find. Everybody's got a different opinion. I want to hear your opinion I'm GonNa feel differently in a few days to we have. That's why that appointments every time that appointments and I explained the process of front with this flow chart showing them what each appointments about an hour process that they either. Wow. Oh, you do that and but you have to remind them all along but instead of listening which I should say no but you know, I, it's amazing. Somebody's like this. I think the mid lines are. You could be right. Let's look. Let's look at a couple of days when your point is that's what you're coming in for to tell me that. But I can't tell right now. Yeah. Tell me this how many people are typically in a training at a time at your Aspen facility? So at our office we want everybody to pair up and do exercise with each other. So we have five opportunity. So we have ten students Max and I built a large opera Tori. I know there is I think there's one other over the shoulder that I know of. and they have people in all the opportunities watch closed caption I. Don't think that's the same I mean might as well just be home on a great. Zim, call like this. I have all ten docs in the Opera Tori. At the at the moment including the dot, the patient is always a a dentist and he's watching he's the only one watching it streamed from my loop. Cam. To the overhead monitor me sort of taking the course to, and he's at the lectures, and then he takes in the hands on course. So so when you say hands on, that's on models not on live patients so they're not prepping but what we do is would take a full set of records centric relation by. Choice Analyzer and then in in the month in between the prep and insert, they actually learned to mount their own models I know nobody wants to do this by highly recommend just learning to do certain things. It gives you good understanding. Waxing your partners case designing based on the Algorithm and then when they come in, they get the try it in each others mouth just transferring it with a you know a putty impression into the mouth and they get to see how their work happened in real life and they get to adjust it play with that just likely would with that that appointment where we see if you like it. And we adjusted they get to go through a lot of it. They don't prep teeth but they see me prepped talk a lot about perhaps. I think by the end no, he's worried about the prep. It's about how do we design it? How do we figure after collusion and having mounted case? Designed case figured out the inclusion on the case I think it's it's really helpful and it's something I. Think it's a combination that nobody else is doing. And I just with the end in mind I just said I want people at the end of this not to ask for another course I want them to feel confident that they could go on you know and maybe they might want my coaching I'd say, and most of my courses, one person's of coaching and that's the other thing we do some coaching we can use over the other two ways that you actually work with dentists. The other was the full full day where I just give it all didactic lecture. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's that's another way that people you know people like to hear a lecture great I just think the I think the over the shoulder so much more powerful and then, and then we do a year of coaching which includes today come to the over the shoulder there one of the. Participants in the course but I go to their office twice once for a prep. Wentz for an insert. Oh. Wow. So you're over the shoulder kind of coaching as they're doing this big full case. And temporizing. And Yeah TEMPA PRIME TAP in every single part of my process I'm there for for one case and. It's pretty it's pretty unique. And then and what I think actually some people blown away by this. Every case cosmetics to do a Mutt, we're not doing single units, but every cosmetics they do. I help them with the planning if they need help with presentations. So people need to hear it over and over again. How how? I present big cases in twenty minutes very quickly. but. Most importantly all their lab work comes to my lab. And I look it over and they get the same results I get from my lab because. Bush is an amazing ceramahs but without a second set of eyes on it, he would be just less a little less amazing. So what and that's why Call Cosmetic Conference coaching because Imagine. From Day One, you have a success. The second day you have another success every day you're doing cosmetics while I'm holding your hand. You're having success I'm there with you the whole time I make sure that it's just like my cases predictable hundred percent of the time and It's very powerful to have a years worth of cases. It's great for a before and after to show your patients it's rapier confidence which I think is the most important thing. I think a lot of what people are missing when doing these cases have been continuing for two years doesn't. mean. They confidence to do that because they don't feel like they feel alone and they feel like they're just working with some lab far away but it's a lot different with me on the phone and text helping them through that throughout the year and all those guys have gone through it and we don't do it. We literally due a year maybe three a year. Sometimes I do very limited because I'm a busy guy too I mean we're. But fulltime. Practitioner Amer fulltime Dad and I'm a full time skier. So that's a lot to do already has three full times. So you don't. Give a lot to each guy. It's meant to be some like Oh. You know some little thing on the side. I want all those cases to be major successes for them. Yeah it seems to me like we all people that have dabbled in cosmetics and have gone away from it haven't gotten this type of training. Because you know collusion's a huge part of and obviously and. While, we take a weekend course and learn how to prep and had to take a good impression to get good retraction and isolation. We might not necessarily have a good foundation inclusion and props forty percent thirty, percent twenty percent even of our cosmetic restoration fail because of inclusion and it sounds like you go deep into that. That's a huge part of it and I'll admit you know I've I've made some bad. Some bad decisions of cosmetic cases that I've accepted not taking a collusion into account because I didn't have the correct training. Yeah Yeah I think we all do I. Mean we we all want to say yes to a patient at once. You know four units when we when we know there's a canine guidance issue and there's a central relation and everything else. I I you know and I could argue for days about this I? Think it's kind of silly. We all do it. It's it's just. Just because work on teeth doesn't mean they're going to work I'm glad. That's a good one. I like that. That's good. So true. Yeah, we have to we have to do better than the natural dentition and if we ignore it, we're GONNA have trouble and One of the things design I. Teach is designing restorations to be much stronger than natural teeth anyway. Notch from a bonding protocol but also like we for instance, we layer imax on the INCISA Lech, which is unheard of if he you know. Ivoclar says cutback in size ledge two millimeters. What's the sense of doing e Max I just never understood this what's the sense of doing imax and then cutting off? Two millimeters on the inside ledge in building bells pethick porcelain. On the insides ledge, which is the why not do felt vasic porcelain there's no. Where's of near break it breaks on the inside. We've all had the problem ray course breaks. Bracing, size leads. So we design. And we're looking that's why we think digital. So cool because I think we could. You know design it for the masses with a very minimal cutback it's micro layered and we do it in house. But how can we standardize it for the rest of the world and that's what we're trying to. That's what we want to bring. We just WanNa bring easier processes that are predictable for everybody and part of it is the laboratory for sure. This has been fascinating conversation man. I really really appreciate you taking the time for the last few minutes that we have. Can you share with us how we can engage with you and? Get Involved with your your coaching in your trainings. Absolutely well, my email. My personally mouth anybody needs. It is Andrew Church in tr C. H. I n. d. m. David David Edgy, mail dot com, and that's just if you WanNa hit me up, personally shoot me a message obviously I'm on. I mean a lot of plee- people just chat me up on workplace Chad I. Think we call and and of course, the website for coaching and the course. And by the way, five, hundred dollars off, there's only two spots left. For this fall. So when twin, what are the exact date? October ninth. November. Fourth and fifth. Okay. Crap date and the seat date. Exactly, not your days wonderful days and asking we always have a blast by the way it's a, it's a small group got to dinner every night and it just it's a lot of fun. And then out the website is 'cause medic coaching. Dot Com. Real simple to find. Awesome. You're doing great things man I love the way you think I, love that there's that there's several different ways severed the different modalities of learning which I think is really important because the people learn different ways but you know the over the shoulder kind of hands on mentor ship I haven't found anything better for me personally clinically to absorb. skillset than that whenever I try to learn clinical something and apply it in my practice based on didactic lectures. It goes horribly wrong and you don't have the confidence to do it and it goes wrong one time and you put it on the shelf forever potentially or for years until you bump into this type of training but I'm a big Fan of what you're doing man I. Really really appreciate you and and thank you for your support inside the San and being. So about you know you know the processes that that have made you successful it's been. It's been a great relationship so far. So thank you very much for everything you do. Thank you mark really appreciate it. It's a pleasure as always and that wraps it up for another. Of the dental plan podcast look forward to reconnecting on the next episode. Thank you so much for joining us today on the dental podcast check out true dental success dot com for full recaps of every show, a schedule of our live events, free video tutorials and a whole host of practice building resources.

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71: Epic Achiever: David Osborn: Create Your Freedom, and Build a Life Worth Living

Conscious Millionaire Epic Achiever with host Marcus Aurelius Anderson

46:33 min | 5 months ago

71: Epic Achiever: David Osborn: Create Your Freedom, and Build a Life Worth Living

"Welcome to the conscious millionaire epic Achievers Show Episode Number Seventy one with your host. Marcus Aurelius Anderson. Welcome TO SEASON. Two of the conscious millionaire epic achiever show part of the conscious millionaire network heard by twelve million listeners in a hundred and ninety countries. Are You an entrepreneur? Ceo WHO's facing adversity on each episode. Discover how to turn your adversity into an epic with as you make bigger money. Create a bigger impact and enjoy a bigger life. Now here's your host. Ted Ex and keynote speaker author mindset coach holder of multiple martial arts black belt and the world's number one expert on the gift of adversity. Marcus Aurelius Anderson. Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Conscious Millionaire. Epic achiever show this. Is Marcus Aurelius Anderson? I am your mindset coach and I want to introduce you to our incredible guest today David Osborne now. David is a New York Times. Bestselling author of wealth can't wait is also a passionate educated. That shares with candor is journey to financial freedom the well-cultivated methodologies. That helped him get there today. David has built and is the CO owner of one of the top real estate brokerages in the world with more than five thousand agents at an annual sales volume exceeding twelve billion per year. That's billion with a B. Davis continued. Success allows his freedom to poor time into his priorities being the best father and husband to his wonderful family giving back to others and teaching people how to achieve success that they too can live a life of abundance. David thank you so much for being here today. Welcome to the show. Thanks Marcus great to be with you today. Thank you so much for taking the time and as we were saying before you're in the middle of a fast and to do an interview in the middle of the fast shows a lot of amendments. So thank you for that. I I really appreciate you. Of course what's it's a new kind of fast for me. It's an intermittent. It's a fast mimicking diet. So I do get to eat a little. It's just less six hundred calories a day and I think an average man needs twenty five hundred. So it's different. I've normally done the full on fast and I would not take a call on day. Three of full you know. Yeah I'm glad to be with you. Well and I think in some ways you're more difficult because for for me as a human. I don't do moderation. Well I I'm better at just fasting and saying I'm not getting anything. Having six hundred calories in some ways is more difficult because there's temptation in and put it in perspective. It's a little bar at this is from prologue and they create the whole meal plan. I'd I think I'd prefer next time to cab. My wife and I cook it ourselves. But it's a little breakfast bar than it's tomato watery tomato soup for lunch with some sesame crackers and then minestrone soup for dinner. What's you're going to be stuff by the independent but it is interesting as you know when you fast you just feel so different and so probably way more natural compared to the evolution of humans before we had industrialized food. This is probably a pretty normal feeling to be hungry. I did notice today when I was making my soup. It's Day three that I spilled a little bit of the powder and I wanted to get that make sure I got active and I had this thought of what. If that's what it was like for you know the people that were in prisoner of war camps that were set enough food and they spill one crumb and they'd be like I gotTa have that Crumley. Give me ten calories. I need that but anyway it's it's interesting. I test myself in many different ways and fasting is fairly new to my life. But I'm I'm a big believer in it. Having read the books looked at the site so I tried twice to four times a year. Beautiful and I. I was telling you before I love your physicality and how you walk the talk. You put all those things into play and I think that's one of the things that really has led to your success and we were talking about. How incredible you have with what you're doing here with over five thousand agents. What is it that you do differently? Because so many people are in real estate so many people have their own businesses without. You've obviously done something different. That's made you so. Successful is a couple of things that you could really point to the lodge to do that. You know always asking. What's the next level? What else could I be doing I've always focused on financial freedom. Which is you know. Equity based Buying rental properties have a private equity fund. We'd bought souls in close to fifteen hundred homes in my career and flipped a bunch of them but kept a bunch of them and I think I'm always curious. What's at the next level so I never get satisfied with where I'm at? I I don't back up to the counter I've just had a curiosity about what's possible for a long time. Jim Ryan says if you go to work on your job you'll make a buck but if you go to work on yourself you'll make a fortune and that's probably my one of my mantras. The other mantra live by his. As you work on your goals your goals will go to work on you There's nothing we build in life. That doesn't also build us that's a paraphrase of it so extremely driven around the world of goal setting and I always was curious as a kid. So maybe that's why it's just there's even right now. I'm as much success as a hat. I'm always thinking. What else could I be doing to be more successful? And I don't believe in one faceted success like you know I don't believe in Just being a great business man with a lot of money and not being a great father or great husband or keeping yourself in good physical shape or seeing the world or learning and growing while you're here so or being generous as a as a philanthropist. So I try to do all of it. But again I don't know what makes me different. There's a lot of guys you know. Just just another dummy doing the best he well I I will give you the complementary to say that. I don't think you're a dummy. I love your sense of curiosity and adventure. I think that that's what really helps separate you as opposed to just being a person that grinds one hundred hours at a time to make some amount of money. That's on a piece of paper on a computer screen. That that really in the end doesn't mean a whole lot when it comes to financial freedom though. There are a lot of misconceptions that people have especially for those that have not yet achieved that. What would you say are some of the biggest misconceptions that are holding people back when it comes to that? Well one of the biggest things is that it's not you know it. Everyone thinks it's easier to be rich and it might be for some but it's definitely not for me. It's not easy like there's a lot having built wealth and that wasn't exactly your question but I think you have to be prepared for it. You have to be prepared for the complexity that comes with wealth. I mean the trust the tracking multiple assets the accountability the You know the it's probably any one time. I probably have one hundred and fifty bank accounts you know we. It's just complex so and then in order for that in order to deal with that complexity you have to be prepared so when you see a football player get a giant paycheck day. They sign and then they're bankrupt five years later like. How could this guy be bankrupt? He got fifty million bucks while he wasn't prepared. You know preparation for success in and doing the little stuff early. That leads you to be successful later Balance Your Checkbook. Be Aware of your money. Make sure you live below your means Make sure you save enough. Money to invest the whole game of capitalism is to invest in income producing assets or some kind of growth based assets. And if you're not you know living below your means and everyone says that's easy for you to do when you're wealthy. But when I was you know I didn't buy a new car so I was in my mid forties and that was for my wife. I I've never bought almost never bought a new car. I have now. I wish I could still say I never. I live below my means I lived in a house. I rent out rooms to to my first house I bought. I rented out to other rooms to room mates to help pay for the house. I lived there basically for free so all these little things I did and then later on balancing my checkbook no longer makes sense you have to evolve with the process But the main thing is for people is you have to put yourself in a position to win in. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting to result. So if you're in a job you hate and you're barely making enough money to survive and you're not wondering why you're not rich You maybe ought to put yourself in a different place you know even if you have to move cities just shake it all up and I think in life are twenties is a time of discovery so you should be checking everything out going and trying out new jobs and try different careers and try. Sales sales people usually get paid a lot And then try leadership or try just being you know an irs data processor. Try It all and then in your thirties when you just bear down and grind and that could be your thirties and forties or it could be just your thirties but you really should start reaping in your forties from what you've learned in your thirties and the expertise you've developed and then the fifties. Frankly you're overpaid like I'm in my fifties now and I'm getting paid because of all the work. I did in my twenties and thirties. Not Because of the work I do now now. I'm still committed. I'm still growing I'm still working But I think I was underpaid in my twenties and I'm overpaid in my fifties but I put myself in a position to to win and that's what I think. Listeners have to do for instance if you have a house if you don't have a house and you can afford one. Why haven't you bought a house and had two roommates? And secondly if you have a house and it's you know it could. It could turn into a rental. Why don't you move and buy another house and turn your first went into a rental? I mean the whole name of the game have assets. That eventually appreciate so that while you're going to work and working and developing skill and make more income you hold a certain number of assets that are also going up in value while you're sleeping while you're working while you're doing whatever sure do they go down sometimes yes. They occasionally do but ultimately the general trajectory of asset prices is up. The general trajectory of real estate is up. The general trajectory of rental income is up. So put yourself in a position where time is on your side instead of working against you and the way you do that is by acquiring some assets. I love that and I love that point that you were talking about because nothing breeze confidence and what we're doing like preparation and as you were saying before if you're a person that's making a hundred thousand dollars a year and you can't save a little bit of money you know. We tweak or month to month now even whenever you're a multimillionaire or if you're trying to get level you still won't have the discipline to be able to do that stuff and like you said I love what you talk about. How this idea of if somebody were to give you a million dollars you would turn it into ten million. While he gave ten million or give a million dollars to a person who wasn't used to that they would likely spend the majority of it and it would just dwindle away in the end they would get back to that place of zero sum value. Yeah we put that in the book Wealth can't wait if you if you had a million bucks and you bought ten one. Hundred thousand dollar. Rental Properties are ten to two thousand dollar rental properties with only a hundred thousand dollar mortgage on each one. You could run it either way As people might say you can't find a hundred thousand dollar reynolds anymore and that might be true and then you put them all on fifteen year notes and then you allow you know your tenants pay them off You would live poorer than the person that took that million dollars and just spent one hundred grand a year for ten year ten years but in ten years. Your your assets would probably. Let's say they just appreciated at three percent a year now. They're up thirty percent. Let's say you had you know those two hundred thousand dollar homes. Each one is now worth to sixty so you gained sixty times that six hundred thousand. You pay down your principal on your mortgage. At least you know thirty percent. So that's another Thirty Times ten which is three hundred thousand. So now you're million is worth two million and you're generating maybe sixty thou- let's see if you if you bought those homes with that size mortgage maybe five hundred per home. Her months as ten of them. That's five thousand. Maybe doing sixty thousand so you had to live on sixty thousand a year instead of the hundred thousand a year but in ten years you're worth two million and you know and and the rents have probably gone up now so you probably making eighty thousand a year and in five more years. They're all gonna be paid for and that point you're probably were three million and living on one hundred fifty thousand a year or something like that. So that's the that's the game is. That's intelligent positioning with that million bucks. I love the like you said you're beginning with the end of mine and you're not afraid to make that that time investment everyone. You wouldn't stay tuned. We're going to be right back because David Osborne is about to give his epic twenty four hour challenge this is jv crime. The third founder of conscious millionaire DOT COM. And I urge you to grab this opportunity. The reason is coaches are my secret edge. 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That's right free conscious millionaire accelerate session. It's time for you to accelerate claim your session today just go to conscious millionaire DOT COM FORD SLASH ACCELERATE. That's conscious millionaire. Dot Com forward slash accelerate goto conscious millionaire dot com forward slash accelerate. Welcome back to the conscious epic achiever show. I'm your host. Marcus Aurelius Anderson. And I'm here with our featured guest David Osborne. Thank you so much. We'll be joined us today. We are both honored abuse listener and has reminder took at the show notes and everything about today's episode at consciously in epic Achiever Dot Com and also markets release Anderson Dot Com. Now David there are a lot of people that are listening right now. That love what you're talking about. But they don't understand the need for urgency so if there was one piece of advice Iki give our listeners for their personal development that they could apply in the next twenty four hours. What would that be? Hang out with somebody that's driven and making stuff happen. Rewrote in our book tribal millionaires about the importance of being around the right people. And if I had twenty four hours I would call three five ten people that I wanted to meet or want to spend time with. Maybe the top performer. In at work. Where you're at maybe a boss that you respect. Maybe a sports athlete that you know maybe a a church member may be a a minister. Maybe just a friend I would call them and set up an appointment. Have Lunch with them and then at that lunch. I would ask them questions. Just like you're doing marcus on your podcast and ask what what makes you successful in. What inspires you? And how did he get to where you are Warren Buffett says if you want if there if you see something that you want to be like an hang around with them and the secret to winning in life is a language just like anything else. It's like playing basketball or playing baseball. There's a way that you have to be in order to win big and be successful and so if you hang out with people that are successful in her winning you'll pick up on that language and if you'll allow yourself to open up and receive that information instead of being a know it all or being fearful at information you soak it up you'll start moving incrementally towards the Success Paradigm. We talk about virtuous ambitious cycles. Everyone knows it a vicious cycle is. That's when you lost your job so then you lost your house so then you lost your wife so then you start drinking and the next thing you know you're in jail right. That's a vicious cycle. When worse worse there also virtuous cycle. You picked up one idea. You learn how to prospect a little bit better. You made a little bit or money which you then invested in training. You got better at prospecting and then you made even more money and then you learn how to manage your wealth and then you surrounded yourself with better people. In all of a sudden your life goes from you know poor quality higher and higher quality the starting point to a virtuous circle is to hang around with the right people and there's so many people out there that want to help you in my life. I've been helped by thousands of people and they will give you time. They'll be gracious You know they're they're going to help you learn if you're if you're willing to receive it and that doesn't mean that you sit down with them and start telling them how great you are that's talking about it all you. Listen you're in pure student boat and if you do that you'll if you keep doing that over lifetime who you hang out with who you become that's so true like you said this that humility and I also love what you talk about because how many times have we heard people that will say yeah. I've heard that before but they're not putting it into play. They're not putting it into action and they don't understand why they keep hearing the same advice over and over again and yet they're in the same business they were before. So what you're talking about is about you know the rubber meets the road. You really put it in a play and continually trying to push to to put that information into something that you can actually execute on as opposed a concept. Yeah there's a dangerous trap called the know it all trap in the know it? All trap is. Oh Yeah I've heard that I know that. Yeah I've heard that. Yeah I know you're supposed to work out. Yeah I know you're supposed to eat vegetables. Yeah no you're supposed to make your phone calls It's just a Sarah terribly way. It's such dismissive way of living life. You're dismissing your own soul's wisdom like I hear things that I've known my entire life over and over again and they were reminders. Like oh my gosh. That is so true. I was just reading. The Poem Invictus Because I interviewed a company that was called invictus ironically and I asked them where their name came from. They told me in so I looked it up when I read the poem. And it's about this guy that lost his leg and decided that even though he lost his leg he's going to this in the eighteen. Hundreds were losing a leg. Really sucked always really sucked worse when you didn't have ADA and all these different wheelchairs and things that could serve you and he wrote this poem minutes. Basically I'm not going to yield I'm going to. I know I could fall into despair but I won't. I'M GOING TO STAND UP. I'M GONNA fight. There's not a single thing that poem that I haven't heard a thousand times but with the context of the situation and The beauty of the punk is a great poem. I came away from it. Reinspired for the one thousand million time in my life by a man who's now dead and pass but chose to to go on the winners dirty inspite of his difficulty in spite of losing his leg and and wrote a beautiful poem about it and And so yeah I mean. There's so many lessons in yes. I'd heard every single thing in that poem before you know it's it's about mindset. Yeah it's about sucking it up. Yeah it's about. You know making the best out of what happened. Not Yielding Depression. But at the end of the day I still got inspired by it and I do every single day. There'll be a Tony Robbins quote or a Jim. Rohn quote for the nine hundred time. And I'm like Oh yeah yeah I forgot I mean yeah. I knew that one but I'm a little out of harmony with it so let me re harmonize myself with the idea of reviewing my goals or spending time with my kids or go to the gym or whatever. It's just it's a never. If you think you know it all your debt the only thing you really knows you know nothing like that's it. There's nothing the no and you just gotTa keep receiving being open to that reception And that's what makes all the difference keeping the clear mind the beginner's mind right call at like we're every day you wake up zero. Yeah I love that that that white built mind is when I talk about or even like we were talking about before when I teach martial arts. I say that if I teach you a technique you learn one technique but if I teach you a concept you thousand techniques so we're revisiting those concepts like you're mentioning again to keep us a line so that will allow us to go in the right direction and and having said that there's so much bad advice out there so much. What is the worst piece of advice that you hear? That is continually perpetuated that we all know to be true but yet people for whatever reason latch onto maybe it just sounds good words romanticized. You know I think one of the worst ones is You know it's funny is just like you just gotTa Work Yourself to death. I think one of the worst bits of advice out there. Is You get five hours of sleep at night. Work a hundred hours a week. Just grind it out no matter what you do. If you work a hundred hours you'll be successful now. There's some truth to it. If you work a hundred hours forever you are. GonNa you work in two weeks in every one week for everybody else. So you're going to get ahead but keep in mind. Ants work really really really hard and they're still just aunts. They never stopped working so hard. Work IS NOT ENOUGH. You have to position yourself in the right space in the right environment with the right mindset. God bless a ditch digger for all. I met a guy the other day. He said he was worked for the civil engineer. I said what does that mean. He said basically dug ditches my entire life and he was an older man and he was proud of it and they don't make is like that anymore. I was proud of him for being that tough guy that always did his best and didn't try to just mail it in but worked really hard. He said the kids nowadays. They just work half whether that's true or not. I don't know I think. Every generation says that about the next generation but what I will tell you as I admired him but I wouldn't want to be like him. I didn't look at him and his Middle Class House. Right across one of my rentals and say that's the path I'd like to have gone on because he could have worked just as hard buying and rehabbing houses and he would have one hundred houses like the one he lives in now again. That might not be right for him. I'm not saying that my worldview should be his worldview. What I'm saying is for me because I want financial freedom. The thing that drives me crazy is work. Hard work hard one hundred hours a day for a week a hundred hours a week for twenty years. You're probably die of a heart attack. You know everything in life is about energy management and it doesn't mean you don't have to work one hundred hours weeks. I'm not suggesting that I've done that I've kind of sealing out at around eighty five. I didn't have the engine of some of my friends but at the end of the day. That's not what matters it's where you position yourself and what you're doing with those hours that matter and as you get older you have to manage the energy better. You have to look after your body you have to include workouts when I hear people say I'm working so hard I can't possibly work out. I'm like that's crazy because you're just cutting off ten years of the end of your life fifteen years off the left end of your life so you're not actually winning. You might be scooting ahead of people right at this moment but at the end of the day if you're hundred pounds overweight and you're not in shape and you die of heart attack twenty years earlier than you had. You're still going to lose and we're all GONNA die of anyway so it doesn't really matter but it's just how do you WanNa live? How do you want to be and you could push through in your twenties and thirties and force yourself to do a lot of stuff? But I'm telling you it gets harder in your forties against harder in your fifties and you don't WanNa be in a position where you have to work a hundred hours a week in your fifties is just a bad idea so that one of my worst things is what people say you know you just gotTa Grind it out And while there's truth to it it's not the truth is not. The total truth is not complete truth absolutely. And we've mentioned Jim. Rome and Tony Robbins. Are there any other books that you would give or that you would recommend and all of your books phenomenal by the way but are there any books by other people that you would recommend for people that will help them in personal development or an entrepreneurship as well? You know as a man thinks of his a very short of eighteen hundreds that I love. And it's it's very sexist so I apologize all the women listening because it's only talks about man but forget all that put again. You're no it all on your judgmental piece aside and just read the book and he basically talks about the importance of how you think in your mind and treating your mind like a garden and up rooting negative self defeating thoughts and nurturing and feeding and and fertilizing the powerful thoughts and to me that means It's the I think that's a huge mystery in life is like how do you win and the way you win? Is You turn down the volume on the defeating thoughts and you turn up the volume on the inspired winning thoughts and no one ever is like you know insecure less or no one ever had doesn't have doubts every single person out there whether it's Michael Jordan or the greatest businessman of all time Warren Buffett's. They all have doubts but whether they've successfully done what I've able to do in my life starting off site insecure like everyone or maybe a lot insecure is I turned down the insecurity volume. And I turn up the WE'RE GONNA make this happen no matter what volume and then when insecurity shows upper fear shows up or doubt shows up like I recognize you. You don't serve me in the situation. I'm just GONNA change the channel here and flipped to a different more inspirational channel So as as a great book Thinker riches are incredible book. There's been so many visionary business You know million dollar habits Unlimited power. I've just been on a journey. You could go through these books and each one of them. You know they all. Kinda say the same thing people new books today and there's a lot of the same thing but he goes back to what you said earlier if you WANNA be a black belt. Black Belt and white bill is done the same move like one thousand times or a hundred thousand times to get into mastery of it and it's the same with these books are just ongoing reminders. I enjoyed Atomic Habits last year. That was a good. Yeah James Clearly Berry sustained very precise great examples from triggers to everything else that we do and I think that was a tremendous book as well. I've got a massive goal. Setter keep eighty goals every year I never understand when they talk about people not getting their New Year's resolutions done because I get them done but I didn't use to so of course I do slightly understand but I've turned myself in productivity monster by having my eighty goals land out in the gardens of life and I use that as my flight plan. You know if you see a pilot flying better. Hope they're checking their flight. Plan almost every minute you know. 'cause things change weather comes up plane show up so ideally either the pilot or autopilot or up there. You know adjusting the course of the plane and I look at my goals at least twice a week one hundred times in a year and I see where I'm on track I read through them and you know almost just by that force of will of reading them life I hit probably forty or fifty percent of them and then with accountability and Effort I get up to about seventy eighty percent of my goals every so imagine that you. It's almost like having a magic. Genie lamp that you can rub and it comes out and says. I'll give you eighty wishes but I'm not perfect. So you're only get seventy five percent of those wishes so then I write down my eighty wishes Which are my goals? And I get seventy five percent of and they're amazing like trips with my family trips to see the northern lights working out two hundred forty times stained great shape a certain number days with my kids and building businesses and yes making money and you know helping people succeed and helping my clients and raising capital and all. These things are on my goals. And there's a seventy five eighty percents likelihood. I'm going to get each done so I could write down tomorrow. travel around the world for a year with my kids. And I don't choose that right now but if I did I would know internally because I've created a certain level of integrity with myself and my goals and my words that up there's pretty high likelihood I would do that and so That's the fun thing about goal setting for me an atomic habits kind of discussed. I had his journal here. And you know it's a bit big for me. I usually prefer the smaller kind of mole skin journals. But I'm trying to use that guys journal and there's been one will add that. I've really enjoyed from his. Which is having a habit tracker. He has which has every day so I would always just Roman numeral like workout workout workout workout but sometimes I get confused and I couldn't keep remember exactly what is our so. My goals are never tracked perfectly through the year by having a thirty. You know a monthly check off. I always remember the dates. I can just look at the dates with our road. My Peleton it's tracked and I can keep up with a little better. Sometimes I'd Be Sick Front of my journal saying did I marked off yet or did not well and I love that concept you were talking about to about being meticulous about keeping an eye on back to James Back to James Clears Book. He was mention. How IF YOU'RE OFF BY. Even what was it fifteen degrees as a pilot and you're trying to go to New York by the time you get across the country. You're pretty much on your way. So yes it's completely off so that's a great example. David you've given us a lot of fantastic information great examples. Where can our listeners? Go to find out more about you. Where would you direct to learn more about what you're doing so I'M DAVID OSBORNE DOT COM? If you go to. Www DOT DAVID OSBORNE DOT com. You can find a lot about me or if you go to tribe of millionaires DOT COM. You can download the book for free just shipping and handling has to be paid for or I M David Osborne at instagram. I love your instagram account. As well as fantastic stuff. There's so much that you've done and there's so many things that I know that you're proud of but could you share with me. The thing that you're most proud of from all that you're doing in your life and your work and in your endeavors. Yeah so that's a great question you know. I've done a lot of achieved a lot. Lotta have a lot of financial freedom. I came from a very middle of the middle class. Background but what I'm proud of of the most is how I've changed the way I look at life like what I'm proud of. The most is how far my inner personal journey has been so I was a high school kid that was rebellious. I got thrown out of a few high schools. I was Kinda dumb and reactive and very anti authority possibly from having a great Green Bay father. I'm not sure but I bet that had something to do with it and then also I was also fearful. I was not super social. I was sort of you know Insecure and then I would also you know had a lot of self doubt and I felt like I procrastinate a lot so that was all fifteen to twenty and then over many years of adventure and of work and discipline of training and teaching. I've turned that around where I'm highly confident. Highly goal driven and really. I think well balanced in the way that I I put the effort into my children and my wife and my health and contribution and I think the thing. I'm proudest of Marcus is my mindset. The amount of effort put into shifting my mindset from one that was not functional. The rebel who got in trouble smoked a lot of weed and did stuff even going to bars and drinking too much even my twenties. And just don't do any of that anymore. I'm like it doesn't work for me and the willingness to be able to grow and change and say hey. This doesn't work for me anymore and I need to change it. I don't think a lot of people do that. I think a Lotta people fall into patterns. And they just Kinda get stuck and they think that you know going to the bar every night on a Saturday is the thing to do are watching football religiously as the thing to do or working religiously the thing to do whatever it is and I think that that I appreciate the child if I look back. The kid in me that was willing to remain curious remain open minded and willing to know that. I don't know it all in that someone else may have something better to offer me and then absorbing that and applying it in my life so that's probably the the thing I'm most proud of powerful and now it's time to dig deeper. You'LL WANNA stay to come back after this short break when David is borne talks about how he was able to turn his adversity into an opportunity. This jv the third founder of conscious MILLIONARE'S DOT COM. And I urge you to grab this opportunity. The reason is coaches are my secret edge. I've been highly successful and one of the reasons is. I've had coaches and still use coaches today. Why because they helped me uncover hidden blocks reach a higher level of accountability and achieve at my peak performance. Having a coach on your side can do the same thing for you. A coach can help you get a winning edge. If you've lost your job or been furloughed WANNA start a business. Take control of Your Life or you're an entrepreneur. Coach business owner. Who isn't getting the traction you want. Perhaps you're struggling to attract clients close sales and even reach that hundred thousand dollar mark. Then this is an important question for you. Do you WanNa make a bigger impact with your life and put more money in your bank account. Coaching can make the difference. It's a statement that you want more and are interested in getting more if you want to accelerate your life business and finances thin take advantage of this opportunity to get a free. That's right. Free conscious. Milliner accelerate session. It's time for you to accelerate claim your session today just go to conscious millionaire DOT COM forward slash accelerate. That's conscious millionaire dot com Ford Slash accelerate goto conscious millionaire dot com forward slash accelerate. Welcome back to the conscious epic achiever show. I'm your host. Marcus Release Anderson. I'm here with our feature gusts David Osborne. Now David you were talking about when you were younger and this can be at any point in time but in my experience. I've never met anybody who has been incredibly successful that hasn't gone through some sort of tremendous hardship or some sort of tremendous adversity. Because for a lot of us that is the thing that is our catalyst it forces us to go to the next level and that helps us really scratched the surface of what our potential is. Is there an adversity that you've gone through any arena? That you feel was really sort of the the thing that perpetuated this for you. I've had a bunch. I almost feel like I have a pretty heavy one every ten years. But I don't like to put that out in the university case Gotcha become self fulfilling. But I had one at twenty but I'm going to go into the one at thirty. 'cause you're more interested from a business so when. I was thirty approximately years old. I was working in Dallas. And I'd start buying franchises for Keller Williams. I'd sold for three years in Austin and decided one is in sales for the rest of my life. Only go when franchises so I went up to Dallas. I had still very little money. My parents back to be financially and my mom was also respected realtor so I could work with her name and her reputation in Which is amazing lady and so. I went up opened franchises while I've been working for a couple years and I had you know. Three franchises open and another franchise was failing I was my job was to sell franchises as well. I was working as hard as I could. I remember that year I decided I was going to read the Bible cover to cover meditate every day. I'd quit alcohol and I was working as we discussed earlier like one hundred hour as hard as I could so probably eighty five hours a week and I just wasn't getting the breakthrough I needed. We were barely breaking even in most these businesses. The stress was intense. I was doing everything from recruiting the talent to assembling the cubicles to fixing the computers. And I I started having a rash on my in the rash. I went to the doctor and I was like man. This rashes killing me. It's like a bunch of blisters. And the doctor said wow you know you have shingles like singles are caused by wres- at your only thirty years old. I see at an old people but I've never seen a thirty rolled with shingles while it got worse. It spread across my chest. It was in agony and I was. I used to say that I had a nervous breakdown. But what I realize is I had an identity crisis. I've come to realize later having read books on identity the identity of who I was wasn't working for what I had to do with the way I worked back. Then Marcus is you might have guessed. I just did everything that was on my to do list that day. It was assembling a cubicle. Assembled the cubicle of it was returned the call to the Pool Guy. Returned the call a pool guy and if it was recruiting a major talented agent. I recruited a major talented agent. But I didn't prioritize things very well and I was having failure at the same time a girl that I thought I loved broke up with me. It was just like complete chaos so I actually went to my partners. I said look I'm going to quit. I'M GONNA resign but I'm but I'm not gonNA leave you in the Lert so I'm going to go hire somebody to my job while I resign. And and that created some space. And you know how when you're going to go on vacation you just start getting stuff done you get super productive. While I did a couple of things I went into therapy and went and did a spiritual retreat in the Smoky Blue Ridge Mountain and then I went to some business retreats as well I was actually there mostly to look for somebody to higher. But the wealthiest guy new came to me at that time and he said look. Here's the secret to success right down the three most important things you have to do. Everyday of all the things there are in your list. Just do the most important three every single day. That's it just the April and after about a six months sort of healing. 'cause I created a space for myself once. I said I was quitting. I didn't have to put in one hundred hours a week anymore. I went back a little bit from the job and in six months I kind of recreated myself and when I came back I quit wearing the suits with cufflinks and the whole ties I started dressing more comfortable and I just the most important stuff and as soon as I started doing the top three things on my list every day. Two things happened one. I had amazing. More success hired better agents. I made better decisions. Maybe the cubicles were put together. But I recruited that big hitter from my office and then to I start having more fun all of a sudden it was fun. It was fun to do the most important stuff shirts fearful. Sometimes it was a little more scary to call that top producer risk rejection than it was to do my laundry for instance but for me it was like physical health like it was literally. I had this health. The doctor actually told me I don't know if it's true but he said it goes all the way round your chest. It could kill you. I don't know if that's true or not. That's what I thought he said so literally came back from this and I blew off. All the and priorities adjusted the April and it changed my life. It created some other dysfunction like one day I was working at home in my entire power got turned off because I'd forget forgot to pay my bill. I can't I haven't done my dishes but I learned how to manage all that. I learned that for thirty five bucks a week. I could have someone come in. Pay My bills for sixty bucks a week. I could have someone come in and clean my house and I learned to leverage through others. Did the most important stuff and man from then on my life just exploded so it sounds simple. It sounds like a fairly straightforward. I'm sure there are people going. I already knew that. I know you're supposed to prioritize but at thirty years old I didn't understand it and it took the pain of those shingles to break down my identity. The part wasn't working. The part that wanted to please everybody wanted to do things in an equal order and I was reborn as a focused business guy that just at the most important stuff and that changed my life Three years later I was probably a millionaire and it just kept growing from there. That's such a tremendous point. I I always tell my clients that if we make everything a priority then nothing is a priority. And just like you're saying there's a part of US especially if we make lists if we're very organized a lot of people there's it's very satisfying to have all of these B. C. D. Priorities. And like you said oh I check my email. Oh I wash the dishes. Oh I did this and to check. That box gives them the feeling of accomplishment. But like you said if you're doing that as a way to to hesitate or as a way to as subterfuge to keep you from doing the right thing. Then you're just keeping a very unorganized keeping a very organized business that's failing and don't have that so one thing I did was a bit of a list guy at a a B or C to. What's that's how. I started misery in a Party B. Privacy parties and I wouldn't do the beers or sees either delegated him or they didn't get done. I only did the as and it's a huge mind shifts shift but it's what winners do if if you're a winner in life economically you do the hard important. Seven is really not that hard. But it's just a little more fearful usually like calling. Somebody might imply rejection. Let's I'm looking for a manager to run my office. I have to call a guy to say. Who Do you know? That would be a great manager. That's harder than just doing the dishes or assembling a cubicle. Because they don't talk back. But all the highest pay comes from doing that more difficult or challenging stuff. Do you still think about the shingles on you know. I've had so many blows in life. Marcus I mean you know I lost my father in law. Twelve days ago. He was a very special man. I we had A. We had a still birth. You know as you get older. You're just and that's what I tell. Young people too is you know you have anxiety and worry but by the time you're fifty two like you've been through so much you're just like. Oh Yeah I remember that one. Oh yeah there's a little self doubt. Yeah I've had self-doubt before. Oh there's a little fear that that business is GONNA failure I've had that before so yeah sure the shingles was definitely a seminal moment for me a moment that helped me shift radically. In fact one of my business partner said you know you kinda going into that you were like Clark Kent and then you came out like Superman Because of that six month kind of window so I guess it was took a long time to change in the photo booth but what he really saw was. I went into as a as a as a unclear person. An unfocused unpurposeful person and I came out incredibly purposeful and what's been great about the shingles and there's always in every tragedy there's always Probably more benefit than there is cost. Start Liza my life. Mostly there has been in The pain of a shingles last with me for ten years so literally when I would get that inclination to call a C. Priority. Like someone trying to sell me something back and I blow him off and always hurt me slightly. Because I'm a good person I don't want to blow people off but then I just almost like scratch my chest. I'll be like Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah I remember this is for. This is for my life. This is a life and death thing Because of what the doctor told me which may or may not be true but regardless and so I just started blown all those often. I'm sorry if you're a C. priority to be trying to sell me insurance. If you call me seven or eight times I'll probably call you back just out of respect for the fact that you tried so dang hard but if I if you called me three times I don't call you back. You can tell all your friends. I'm rude I don't care you're just not a priority for me and I lived my life based on my family. My my faith my businesses. I do that. That's the top of my priority list and if you don't make that priority list and it's in Mike Value System. It's fine for me to blow you off. That's what I do now. Well like you say everything that you're doing every decision you make literally affecting your wife your kids your business so again if you can use that as your litmus test and say okay is this going to help me get to this point or is this going to bring me down makes it very easy and we away all the destruction and if you take it another step it's all about energy writes the more energy you have in life the more you're able to contribute to others to your family to people in general and if you allow US energy suckers to kind of latch onto you whether it's a phone call or something you don't really WanNa do you're taking away from the energy you have for everything else so I really manage my energy field pretty effectively now and certainly in my twenties I was terrible at it will in your twenties you were like this this light that was scattered but now you're laser even any when you talk about what you do when I was researching Uber's mentioned how again you do this stuff in the morning you had the rituals to give you strength but also you prioritize those difficult things early so that by six thirty or even noon you've won the day you've already done everything so now there are fires had to be put out or whatever you're on top of your game win the morning to the day I wrote Miracle Morning Millionaires With Hal elrod and it's really a if everything you have your life till about eleven or twelve really you know that then you're in reaction mode whatever seeds you've sown in the morning and I used to be a night personnel memorial person I love getting up at five thirty by seven thirty. I've already got two hours of even if it's just self care like reading a great book or journaling or doing some exercise doing my meditation soon. My visualizations the days that I do that are much better days than I. I sleep till seven thirty and then I get going in the day. Seems like it's over before it even began. That's beautiful David Osborne. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for sharing your diversity. Thank you for all the wisdom. I can't thank you enough and if you're to this people I hope that you listen to it over and over take notes as stuff action because this is a person who's done it. This is a person who lives a very. I don't want to say balanced life. But he is doing everything at the highest level. And if you WANNA get anywhere in your life at a high level this is the person you should be listening to follow by his books. Go to his website and support him. Thank you so much. Mark is so great to be with you. Thanks for interviewing me. Thank you my friend. 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1753: Epic Achiever: David Osborn: Create Your Freedom, and Build a Life Worth Living

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1753: Epic Achiever: David Osborn: Create Your Freedom, and Build a Life Worth Living

"Walk into the conscious millionaire. Podcast SHOW EPISODE NUMBER. Seventeen fifty three to conscious millionaire the number one show for conscious entrepreneurs and CEOS on a mission to build a highly profitable business that makes a positive impact on Egypt's discover how to make bigger money create a bigger impact and live a figure live. You're listening to the conscious millionaire network her by over twelve million listeners. In one hundred ninety countries now joined your host. Jv Chrome the third the conscious near Mentor. Toward Master. Nlp Coach Speaker and author of the number one international bestseller conscious millionaire. Grow Your Business by making a difference. Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the consciously epic achiever show. This is Marcus Aurelius Anderson. I am your mindset coach. I want to introduce you to our incredible guest today. David Osborne now. David is New York Times. Bestselling author of wealth can't wait is also a passionate educator. That shares with candor is journey to financial freedom the well-cultivated methodologies. The helped him get there today. David has built and is co owner of one of the top real estate brokerages in the world with more than five thousand agents and an annual sales volume exceeding twelve billion per year. That's billion with a B. David's continued success allows his freedom to poor time into his priorities. Being the best father and husband to his wonderful family giving back to others and teaching people how to achieve success that they too can live a life of abundance. David thank you so much for being here. Welcome to the show. Thanks Marcus great to be with you today. Thank you so much for taking the time and as we were saying before you're in the middle of a fast to do an interview in the middle of Fascism. Thank you for that. I really appreciate you. Of course what's it's a new kind of fast for me. It's an intermittent FA- it's fast mimicking diet. So I do get to eat a little. It's just less six hundred calories a day and I think an average man needs twenty five hundred. So it's different. I've normally done the full on fast and I would not take a call on day three of a full you know. I'm glad to be with you. Well and I think that in some ways your fastest more difficult because for for me as a human. I don't do moderation well I. I'm better at just fasting and saying I'm not getting anything. Having six hundred calories in some ways is more difficult because there's temptation in Oh to put it in perspective. It's a little bar at this is from prologue and they create the whole meal plan. I'd I think I'd prefer next time to have my wife and I cook it ourselves but it's a little breakfast bar than its tomato watery tomato soup for lunch with some sesame crackers and then ministry soup for dinner. What's you're going to be stuff by the end of but it is interesting as you know when you fast you just feel so different and so know probably way more natural compared to the evolution of humans before we had industrialized food. This is probably a pretty normal feeling to be hungry. I did notice today when I was making my soup. And stay three that I spilled a little bit of the powder and I wanted to get that make sure I got it. I had thought of like I wonder if that's what it was like for. You know the people that were in prisoner of war camps that were fed enough food and they spill one crumb and they'd be like. Oh I gotta have that Crumley give. That has ten calories. I need that but anyway it's interesting. I test myself in many different ways and fasting is fairly new to my life. But I'm I'm a big believer in it. Having read the books looked at the science so I tried twice to four times a year. Beautiful and I. I was telling you before I love your physicality and how you walk the talk. You put all those things into play and I think that's one of the things that really has led to your success and we were talking about. How incredible you have with what you're doing here with over five thousand agents. What is it that you differently? Because so many people are in real estate so many people have their own businesses without. But you've obviously done something different. That's made you so successful. Is there a couple of things that you could really point to that allows you to do that? You know always asking what's the next level. What else could I be doing I've always focused on financial freedom. Which is you know. Equity based buying rental properties have private equity fund. We bought souls in close to fifteen hundred homes in my career and Flipped a bunch of them but kept a bunch of them and I think I'm always curious. What's at the next level so I never get satisfied with where I'm at? I I don't back up to the counter I've just had a curiosity about what's possible for a long time. Jim Rhone says if you go to work on your job you'll make a buck but if you go to work on yourself you'll make a fortune and that's probably my one of my mantra. The mantra live by as as you go to work on your goals your goals or go to work on you There's nothing we build in. Life doesn't also build us that's a paraphrase of it so you. I'm just extremely driven around the world of goal setting and I always was curious as a kid. So maybe that's why it's just there's even right now. I'm a as much success as a hat. I'm always thinking. What else could I be doing to be more successful? And I don't believe in one faceted success like you know I don't believe in Just being a great business man with a lot of money and not being a great father or husband or keeping yourself in good physical shape or seeing the world or learning and growing while you're here so or being generous as a as a philanthropist. So I try to do all of it But Again I. I don't know what makes me different. There's a lot of guys you know. Just just another dummy doing the best he. Well I I will give the couple to say that. I don't think you're a dummy. I love your sense of curiosity and adventure. I think that's what really helps separate you as opposed to just being a person that grinds one hundred hours at a time to make some amount of money. That's on a piece of paper on a computer screen. That that really in the doesn't mean a whole lot when it comes to financial freedom though. There are a lot of misconceptions that people have especially for those that have not yet achieved that. What would you say are some of the biggest misconceptions that are holding people back when it comes to that? Well one of the biggest things is that it's not you know it. Everyone thinks it's easier to be rich and it might be for some but it's definitely not for me. It's not easy like there's a lot having built wealth and that wasn't exactly your question but I think you have to be prepared for it. You have to be prepared for the complexity that comes with wealth. I mean the trust the tracking multiple assets the accountability the You know the it's probably at any one time. I probably have one hundred fifty bank accounts you know we. It's just complex. Oh and then in order for that in order for you to deal with that complex you have to be prepared so when you see a football player get a giant paycheck day. They signed and then they're bankrupt five years later you like. How could that be bankrupt? He got fifty million bucks while he wasn't prepared. Preparation for success. And and doing the little stuff early that leads you to be successful later Balance Checkbook. Be Aware of your money. Make sure you live below your means Make sure you save enough. Money to invest the whole game of capitalism is to invest in income producing assets or some kind of growth based assets. And if you're not you know living below your means and everyone says that's easy for you to do when you're wealthy. But when I was in I didn't buy a new car slides in my mid forties and that was for my wife. I've never bought almost never bought a new car. I have now. I wish I could still say I never. I live below my means I lived in a house and I rent out rooms to my first house I bought. I rented out to the rooms. Two roommates to help pay for the house. I lived there basically for free. So all these little things I did and then later on balancing my checkbook. No longer makes sense. So you have to evolve with the process But the main thing is for people is you have to put yourself in a position to win in. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results. So if you're in a job you hate and you're barely making enough money to survive and you're not wondering why you're not rich You maybe ought to put yourself in a different place you know even if you have to move cities just shake it all up and I think in life. Our twenties is a time of discovery so you should be checking everything out going and trying out new jobs and trying different careers and try. Sales sales people usually get paid a lot And then try leadership or try just being you know an irs data processor. Try It all and in your thirties is when you just bear down and grind and that could be your thirties and forties or it could be just your thirties but you really should start reaping in your forties from what you've learned in your thirties and the expertise you've developed and then the fifties. Frankly you're overpaid. I'm in my fifties now and I'm getting paid because of all the work. I did in my twenties and thirties. Not Because of the work I do now now. I'm still committed I'm still growing. I'm still working But I think I was underpaid in my twenties. I'm overpaid in my fifties. But I'm put myself in a position to to win and that's what I think. Listeners have to for instance if you have a house if you don't have a house and you can afford one. Why haven't you bought a house and had two roommates? And secondly if you have a house and it's you know it could. It could turn into a rental. Why don't you move and buy another house and Turner I one into a rental? I mean the whole name of the game is to have assets that eventually. Appreciate so that while you're gonNA work and working developing skill and making more income. You hold a certain number of assets that are also going up in value while you're sleeping while you're working while you're doing whatever. Sure they go down sometimes yes they occasionally do but ultimately the general trajectory of asset prices is up. The general trajectory of real estate is up. General TRAJECTORY OF RENTAL INCOME IS UP. So put yourself in a position. Where time is on your side instead of working against you in the way you do that is by acquiring some assets. I love that and I love that point that you were talking about the because nothing breeze confidence and what we're doing like preparation and as you were saying before if you're a person that's making a hundred thousand dollars a year and you can't save a little bit of money you know. We tweak month to month now even whenever you're a multimillionaire or if you're trying to get that level you still won't have the discipline to be able to do that stuff and like you said I love what you talk about. How this idea of if somebody were to give you a million dollars you would turn it into ten million. While he gave ten million or give a million dollars to a person who wasn't used to that they would likely spend a majority of it and it would just send dwindle away in the end they will get back to that place of a zero sum value. Yeah we put that in the book Wealth can't wait if you if you had a million bucks and you bought ten one. Hundred thousand dollar. Rental Properties are two hundred thousand dollar rental properties with only one hundred thousand our mortgage on each one. You run it either way As people might say you can't find a hundred thousand dollar reynolds anymore and that might be true and then you put them all on fifteen year notes and then you allow your tenants to pay them off You would live poorer than the person that took that million dollars and just spent one hundred grand a year for ten year ten years but in ten years. You know your your assets would probably. Let's say they just appreciated three percent a year so now they're up thirty percent. Let's say you had you know those two hundred thousand dollar homes. Each one is now worth to sixty you against times ten. That six hundred thousand you pay down your principal on your mortgage at least thirty percents. So That's another thirty times ten. Which is three hundred thousand? So now you're million is worth two million and you're generating maybe sixty thou- let's see if you he bought those homes with that size mortgage maybe five hundred per home per month so it's ten of them. That's five thousand. Maybe you're doing sixty thousand so you had to live on sixty thousand a year instead of the hundred thousand a year but in ten years you're worth two million and you know and and the rents have probably gone up now so you're probably making eighty thousand a year and in five more years. They're all going to be paid for. And at that point you're probably were three million and living on one hundred fifty thousand year or something like that. So that's the that's the game is. That's intelligent positioning with that million bucks. I love that like you said you're beginning with the end of mine and you're not afraid to make that time investment. Everyone you stay tuned. We're going to be right back because David Osborne is about to give his epic twenty four hour challenge. This is Jay Crime. The third founder of conscious milionaire. Dot Com. And I urge you to grab this opportunity. The reason is coaches are my secret edge. 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That's right free conscious millionaire accelerate session. It's time for you to accelerate claim your session today just go to conscious millionaire dot com forward slash accelerate that's conscious millionaire dot com forward slash accelerate goto conscious millionaire dot com Ford slash accelerate. We'll come back to the conscious epic achiever show. I'm your host. Marcus Aurelius Anderson. And I'm here with our featured guest David Osborne. Thank you so much for joining us today. We are both honor to listener. And as reminder check out the show notes and everything about today's episode at consciously in our epic dot Com and also markets release Anderson Dot Com. Now David there are a lot of people that are listening right now. That love what you're talking about. But they don't understand the need for urgency so if there was one piece of advice you could give our listeners for their personal development that they could apply the next twenty four hours. What would that be hang out with somebody? That's driven and making stuff happen rewrote in our book tribe of Millionare's about the importance of being around the right people. And if I if I twenty four hours I would call three five ten people that I wanted to meet or want to spend time with. Maybe the top performer. In at work. Where you're at maybe a boss that you respect. Maybe a sports athlete that you know maybe a a church member may be a minister. Maybe just a friend I would call them and set up an appointment to have lunch with and then at that lunch I would ask them questions. Just like you're doing marcus on your podcast and ask what what makes you successful in. What inspires you? And how did it get to where you are Warren Buffett says if you want if there if you see somebody you want to be like an hang around with them and the secret to winning in life is a language just like anything else. It's like playing basketball or playing baseball. There's a way that you have to be in order to win big and be successful and so if you hang out with people that are successful in her winning you'll pick up on that language and if you'll allow yourself to open up and receive that information instead of being a know it all or being fearful this that information you soak it up you'll start moving incrementally towards the success paradigm we talk about virtuous ambitious cycles. Everyone knows what a vicious cycle is. That's when you lost your job so then you lost your house so then you lost your wife. So then he started drinking. And the next thing you know you're in jail right. That's a vicious cycle. When worse worse they're also virtuous cycles. You picked up one idea. You learn how to a little bit better. You made a little bit or money which you then invested in training you got better at prospecting and then you made even more money and then you learn how to manage wealth and then you surrounded yourself with better people. In all of a sudden your life goes from you know poor quality to higher and higher quality the starting point to a virtuous circle is to hang around with the right people and there's so many people out there that want to help you in my life I've been helped by thousands of people and they will give you time. They'll be gracious You know they're they're and they're to help you learn if you're if you're willing to receive it and that doesn't mean that you sit down with them and start telling them how great you are. That's not talk about it all you listen. You're in pure student boat and if you do that you'll if you keep doing that over lifetime who you hang out with who you become at so true at like you said this that humility and also love what you talk about. Because how many times have we heard people that will say yeah? I've heard that before but they're not putting it into play. They're not putting it into action and they don't understand they keep hearing the same advice over and over again and yet. They're in the same as they were before. So what you're talking about is about you know the rubber meets the road. You really put it in a play and continually to push to to put that information into something that you can actually execute on as opposed to a concept. Yeah there's a dangerous trap called the know it all trap and the note all trap is. Oh Yeah. I've heard that I know that. Yeah I've heard that. Yeah I know you're supposed to work out yeah. I know you're supposed to eat vegetables. You're supposed to make your phone calls It's just a certain terribly way. It's such dismissive way of living life. You're dismissing your own soul's wisdom like I hear things that I've known my entire life over and over again and they were reminders. I'm like Oh my gosh. That is so true. I was just reading. The Poem Invictus Because I interviewed a company that was called invictus ironically and I asked them where their name came from. They told me in so I looked it up and I read the poem. And it's about. This guy lost his leg and decided that even though he lost his leg. He's going to this in the eighteen. Hundreds of losing a leg really sucked always really sucked. Worse when you didn't have ADA and all these different wheelchairs and things that could serve you and he wrote this poem and it's basically. I'm not going to yield. I'm going to. I know I could fall into despair but I won't. I'm going to stand up. I'M GONNA fight. There's not a single thing that poem that I haven't heard a thousand times but with the context of the situation and The beauty of the poem is a great poem. I came away from it. Reinspired for the one thousand million time in my life by a man who's now dead and pass but chose to to go on the winner's journey in spite of his difficulty in spite of losing his leg and and wrote a beautiful poem about it and And so yeah I mean there's so many lessons and yes I'd heard every single thing in that poem before you know it's yeah it's about mindset. Yeah it's about sucking it up. Yeah it's about. You know making the best out of what happened. Not Yielding Depression. But at the end of the day I still got inspired by it and I do every single day. There'll be a Tony Robbins quote or a Jim. Rohn quote for the nine hundred time. And I'm like yeah. Yeah I forgot I mean yeah I knew that one but I'm a little out of harmony with it so let me re harmonize myself with the idea of reviewing my goal zor spending time with my kids or go to the gym or whatever. It's just it's a never if you think you know it all your debt is the only thing you really knows you know nothing like that's it. There's nothing the no and you just gotTa keep receding being open to that reception And that's what makes all the difference keeping the clear mind the beginner's mind I call it like we're every day you wake up here it's euro. I love that is that that white built mind is when I talk about or even like we were talking about before when I teach martial arts. We say that if I teach you a technique you learn one technique but if I teach you a concept thousand techniques so we're revisiting those concepts like you're mentioning over and over again to keep us a line so that will allow us to go in the right direction and and having said that. There's so much bad advice out there so much. What is the worst piece of advice that you hear? That is continually perpetuated that we all know to be true but yet people for whatever reason latch onto maybe it just sounds good or it's romanticized. I think one of the worst ones is You know it's funny as just like you just gotTa Work Yourself to death. I think one of the worst bits of advice out there is get five hours of sleep at night. Work a hundred hours a week. Just grinded it out no matter what you do. If you work a hundred hours you'll be successful now. There's some truth to it if you work a hundred hours forever you. Are you working two weeks in every week for everybody else? So you're going to get ahead but keep in mind. Ants work really really really hard and they're still just aunts. They never stopped working so hard. Work IS NOT ENOUGH. You have to position yourself. In the right space the vite right environment with the right mindset. God bless a ditch digger for all. I met a guy the other day. He said he was worked for the civil engineer. I said what does that mean. He said basically dug ditches my entire life and he was an older man and he was proud of it and they don't make is like that anymore and I was proud of him for being that tough guy. That always did his best and didn't try to just mail it in but worked really hard. He said the kids nowadays. They just work half whether that's true or not. I don't know I think every generation says that about the next generation but but I will tell you as I admired him but I wouldn't want to be like him. I didn't look at him and his Middle Class House. Right across one of my rentals and say that's the path I'd like to have gone on because he could have worked just as hard buying and rehabbing houses and he would have one hundred houses like the one he lives in now again. That might not be right for him. I'm not saying that my worldview should be his worldview. What I'm saying is for me because I want financial freedom. That thing that drives me crazy is work. Hard work hard one hundred hours a day for a week a hundred hours a week for twenty years. You're probably die of a heart attack. You know everything in life is about energy management and it doesn't mean you don't have to work a hundred hours weeks. I'm not suggesting that I've done that I've kind of sealing out around eighty five. I didn't have the engine of some of my friends but at the end of the day. That's not what matters it's where you position yourself and what you're doing with those hours that matter as you get older you have to manage the energy better. You have to look after your body you have to include your workouts when I hear people say I'm working so hard I can't possibly workout. I'm like that's crazy because you're just cutting off ten years of the end of your life fifteen years off the left end of your life so you're not actually winning. You might be scooting ahead of people right at this moment but at the end of the day one hundred pounds overweight. And you're not in shape and you die of a heart attack twenty years earlier than you had still going to lose and we're all GonNa die of anyway so it doesn't really matter but it's just how do you WanNa live. How do you WanNa be and you can push through in your twenties and thirties and force yourself to do a lot of stuff? But I'm telling you it gets harder in your forties against harder in your fifties and you don't WanNa be in a position where you have to work a hundred hours a week in your fifties is just a bad idea so that one of one of my worst Things is what people say you know you just gotTa Grind it out And while there's truth to it it's not the truth is not. The total truth is not a complete with absolutely. And we've mentioned Jim Rome and Tony Robbins. Are there any other books that you would give or that you would recommend and all of your books phenomenal by the way but are there any books by other people that you would recommend for people that will help them impersonal development or an entrepreneurship as well as a man thinks of his a very short eighteen? Hundreds that I love. And it's it's very sexist so I apologize to all the women listening because it's only talks about Forget all that put again. You're no it all on your judgmental piece aside and just read the book and he basically talks about the importance of how you think in your mind and treating your mind like a garden and uprooting negative self defeating thoughts and nurturing and feeding and and fertilizing the powerful thoughts and to me that means I think that's a huge mystery in life is like how do you win and the way you win? Is You turn down the volume on the defeating thoughts and you turn up the volume on the inspired winning thoughts and no one ever is like you know insecure less or whatever doesn't have doubts every single person out there where there's Michael Jordan or you know the greatest businessman of all time Warren Buffett's. They all have doubts but were they've successfully done what I've able to do in my life starting off site insecure like everyone or maybe a lot insecure is. I turned down the insecurity volume and turn up. The WE'RE GONNA make happen no matter what volume and then when insecurity shows up for fear shows up or doubt shows up. I'm like I recognize you. You don't serve me in the situation. I'm just GONNA change the channel here and flipped to a different more inspirational channel So as a man is a great book thinker riches are incredible book their spin so many visionary business You know million dollar habits unlimited power. I've just been on a journey. You could go through these books and each one of them. You know they all. Kinda say the same thing people right new books today and there. There's a lot of the same thing but he goes back to what you said earlier. If you WANNA be a black belt. Black Belt and white bill is. They've done the same move like one thousand times or a hundred thousand times to get into mastery of it and it's the same with these books are just ongoing reminders. I enjoyed Atomic Habits last year. That was a good. James Clear Really. Bury sustained very precise great examples from triggers to everything else that we do and I think that was a tremendous book as well. I've got a massive goal. Setter I keep eighty every year I never understand when they talk about people not getting their New Year's resolutions done because I get them done but I didn't used to so of course I do slightly understand but I've turned myself in productivity monster by having my eighty goals land out in the gardens of life and I use that as my flight plan. You know if you see a pilot flying you better hope. They're checking their flight. Plan almost every minute you know. 'cause things change weather comes up other plane show up so ideally either the pilot or the autopilot are up there. You know adjusting the course of the plane and I look at my goals at least twice a week a hundred times in a year and I see where I'm on track I read through them. You know almost just by that force of will of reading them life. I hit probably forty or fifty percent of them and then with accountability and Effort I get up to us about seventy eighty percent of my goals every so imagine that you. It's almost like having a magic. Genie lamp that you can rub and it comes out and says. I'll give you eighty wishes but I'm not perfect. So you're only GONNA get seventy five percent of those eighty wish so then I write down. My Eighty wishes Which are my goals? And I get seventy five percent of and they're amazing like trips with my family trips to see the northern lights working out two hundred forty times. Stay in great shape a certain number days with my kids and building businesses and yes making money and you know helping people succeed in helping my clients and raising capital and all. These things are on my goals. And there's a seventy five eighty percent likelihood. I'm going to get each done so I could write down tomorrow. travel around the world for a year with my kids and I. I don't choose that right now but if I did I would know internally because I've created a certain level of integrity with myself and my goals and my words that up there's pretty likelihood I would do that and so That's the fun thing about goal setting and atomic habits kind of discussed I have his journal here and you know it's a bit big for me. I usually prefer the smaller. Kinda mole skin journals. But I'm trying to use that guy's journal and there's been one will add that I've really enjoyed from his. Which is having a a habit tracker. He has which has every day so I would always just Roman numeral like workout workout workout workout but sometimes I get confused and I couldn't keep remember. Exactly what is our so? My goals are never tracked perfectly through the year by having a thirty a monthly check off. I always remember the dates. I can just look at the dates with our road. My peleton tracked and I can keep up with it a little better. Sometimes I'd be sick friend of my journal saying that I marked off yet or did I not well and I love that concept you were talking about to about being meticulous about keeping an eye on back to James Back to James Clears Book. He was mentioned how that if you're off by even what was it fifteen degrees as a pilot. And you're trying to go to New York by the time you get across the country. You're pretty much on your way. Yeah it's completely off so that's a great example. David you've given us a lot of fantastic information. A great examples. Where can our listeners? Go to find out more about you. Where would you direct them to to learn? More about what you're doing so I'm at David Osborne Dot Com if you go to. Www DOT DAVID OSBORNE DOT com. You can find a lot about me or if you go tribe of MILLIONARE'S DOT COM. You can download the book for free. just shipping and handling has to be paid for or I M David Osborne at instagram. I love your instagram account. As well as fantastic stuff. There's so much that you've done and there's so many things that I know that you're proud. But could you share with me? The thing that you're the most proud of from all that you're doing in your life and your work and in your endeavors. Yeah so that's a great question You know I've done a lot of achieved a lot. I have a lot of financial freedom. I came from a very middle of the middle class background But what I'm proud of of the most is how I've changed the way I look life like what I'm proud of. The most is how far might interpersonal journey has been so. I was a high school kid. That was rebellious. I got thrown out of a few high schools. I was Kinda dumb and reactive and Berry Anti Authority possibly from having a green beret father. I'm not sure but I bet that had something to do with it and then also I was also fearful. I was not super social. I was sort of you know Insecure and then I would also you know had a lot of self doubt and I felt like I procrastinate a lot so that was all fifteen to twenty and then over many years of adventure and of work and discipline of training and teaching. I've turned that around where I'm highly confident. Highly goal driven and really. I think well balanced in the way that I I put the effort into my children and my wife and my health and contribution and I think the thing. I'm proudest of Marcus is my mindset. The amount of effort put into shifting mindset from one that was not functional. The rebel who got in trouble smoked a lot of weed and did stuff going to bars and drinking too much even my twenties. And just don't do any of that anymore. I'm like it doesn't work for me and the willingness to be able to grow and change and say. Hey this doesn't work for me anymore and I need to change it. I don't think a lot of people do that. I think a Lotta people fall into patterns. And they just. Kinda get stuck and they think that you know going to the bar every night on a Saturday is the thing to do are watching football religiously as the thing to do or working religiously as the thing to do whatever it is and I think that that I appreciate the child if I look back the kid in me that was willing to remain curious remain open minded and willing to know that. I don't know it all in that someone else may have something better to offer me. And then absorbing that applying into my life so that's probably the the thing I'm most proud of powerful and now it's time to dig deeper. You'll want stay to come back after this short break when David talks about how he was able to turn his adversity into an opportunity this. Jv Chrome the third founder of conscious. No IN AIR DOT COM and. I urge you to grab this opportunity. The reason is coaches are my secret edge. I've been highly successful and one of the reasons is. I've had coaches and I still use coaches today. 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It's time for you to accelerate claim your session today just go to conscious millionaire DOT COM FORD SLASH ACCELERATE. That's conscious millionaire. Dot Com Ford Slash accelerate goto conscious millionaire dot com Ford slash accelerate. Welcome back to the consciously inner epoch achiever show. I'm your host Marcus Release Anderson and I'm here with our feature gusts David Osborne. Now David you were talking about when you were younger and this can be at any point in time but in my experience. I've never met anybody who has been incredibly successful. That hasn't gone through some sort of tremendous hardship or some sort of tremendous adversity. Because for a lot of us that is the thing that is our catalyst that forces us to go to the next level and that helps us really scratched the surface of what our potential is. Is there an adversity that you've gone through in any arena? That you feel was really sort of the the thing that perpetuated this for you. I've had bunch I almost feel like I have a pretty heavy one every ten years. But I don't like to put that out in the university case Gotcha become self fulfilling. But I had one at twenty but I'm going to go into the one at thirty. 'cause you're more interested from a business point of view so when I was thirty. Approximately years old. I was working in Dallas. And I'd start buying franchises for Keller Williams had sold for three years in Austin and decided one as being sales for the rest of my life to go with franchises so I went up to Dallas. I had still very little money. My parents to be financially and my mom was also respected. Realtor so I could work with her name and her reputation and I mean she just amazing lady and so. I went up and opened franchises while I've been working for a couple years and I had you know. Three franchises open and franchises was failing. I was my job was to sell franchises. Well I was working as hard as I could. I remember that year I decided I was going to read the Bible cover to cover meditate every day. I'd quit alcohol and I was working as we discussed earlier like one hundred hour as hard as I could so probably eighty five hours a week. And I just wasn't getting the breakthrough I needed. We were barely breaking even most these businesses. The stress was intense. I was doing everything from recruiting the talent to the cubicles to fixing the computers and our. I started having a rash on my chest and the rash. I went to the doctor and I was like man. This rashes killing me is like a bunch of blisters and the doctor said wow you know you have shingles like singles are caused both breasts at your only thirty years old. I see it an old people but I've never seen like a thirty year old with shingles while it got worse it spread across my chest. It was in agony and I was. I used to say that I had a nervous breakdown. But what I realize is I had an identity crisis. I've come to realize later having read books on identity the identity of who I was wasn't working for what I had to do with the way I worked back. Then Marcus is you might have already guessed. I just did everything that was on my to do list that day if it was assembling. A cubicle assembled a cubicle was retained the call to the Pool Guy. Returned the Call Pool Guy if it was recruiting a major talented agent. I recruited a major talent agent but I didn't prioritize things very well and I was having failure at the same time a girl that I thought I loved broke up with me. It was just like complete chaos so I actually went to my partners. I said look I'm going to quit. I'M GONNA resign but I'm but I'm not gonNA leave you in the lurch so I'm going to go hire somebody to my job while I resign. And and that created some space and you know how when you go on go on vacation you just start getting stuff done you get super productive. While I did a couple of things I went into therapy and went and did a spiritual retreat in the Smoky Blue Ridge Mountain And then I went to some business retreats as well I was actually there mostly to look for somebody to hire but the wealthiest guy new came to me at that time and he said look. Here's the secret to success right down the three most important things you have to do. Every day of all the things there are in your list. Just do the most important three every single day. That's it just the priorities and after about a six months sort of healing because I created a space for myself once. I said I was quitting. I didn't have to put in the hundred hours a week anymore. I went back a little bit from the job and in six months I kind of recreated myself and when I came back I quit wearing the suits with cufflinks and the whole ties I started dressing more comfortable and I just did the most important stuff and as soon as I start doing the top three things on my list every day. Two things happened one. I had amazing. More success hired better agents. I made better decisions. Maybe the cubicles were put together. But I recruited that big hitter from my office and then I start having more fun all of a sudden it was fun. It was fun to do the most important stuff. Sure it's fearful. Sometimes it was a little more scary to call that top producer and risk rejection than it was to do my laundry for instance but for me it was like physical health like it was literally. I had this physical health. Doctor Actually told me. I don't know if it's true but he said it goes all the way round your chest could kill you. I don't know if that's true or not. That's what I thought he said So literally came back from this and I blew off all the BNC priorities. Just did the priorities and it changed my life. It creates other dysfunction like one day I was working at home in my entire power got turned off because I'd forget forgot to pay my bill because I had done my dishes but I learned how to manage all that. I learned that for thirty five bucks a week. I can have someone coming to pay my bills for sixty bucks a week can have someone come in and clean my house. And I learned to leverage through others. I did the most important stuff and man from then on my life just exploded so it sounds simple. It sounds like a fairly straightforward. I'm sure there are people going. I already knew that. I know you're supposed to prioritize but at thirty years old I didn't understand it and it took the pain of those shingles to break down my identity. The part wasn't working. The part that wanted to please everybody wanted to do things in an equal order and I was reborn as a focused business guy that just the most important stuff and that changed my life three years later I was probably a millionaire and it just kept growing from there. That's such a tremendous point. I I always tell my clients that if we make everything a priority then nothing is a priority. And just like you're saying there's a part of US especially if we make lists if we're very organized a lot of people it's very satisfying to have all of these BC Even D. priorities. Like you said. Oh I check my email. Oh I wash the dishes. Oh I did this and to check. The box gives them the feeling of accomplishment. But like you said if you're doing that as a way to to hesitate or as a way to as subterfuge to keep you from doing the right thing. Then you're just keeping a very unorganized keeping a very organized. Business is failing and don't have that so one thing. I did was and I was a bit of a list. Guy at a ABC to what's that's how. I started misery at a Party B. Privacy priorities and I wouldn't do the Beezer sees either delegated him or they didn't get done. I only did the A and it's a huge mindshift shift but is what winners do if you're a winner in life economically. You do the hard important seven. It's really not that hard but it's just a little more fearful usually like calling. Somebody might imply rejection. Let's I'm looking for a manager to run my office. I have to call a guy to say. Who Do you know? That would be a great manager. That's harder than just doing the dishes or assembling a cubicle. Because they don't talk back. But all the highest pay comes from doing that more difficult or challenging stuff. Do you still think about the shingles on occasion. You know. I've had so many blows in life. Marcus I mean you know I lost my father-in-law like twelve days ago. He was a very special man. I we still birth. You know as you get older. You're just and that's what I tell young people to is you have anxiety and worry away by the time you're fifty two like I am and you've been through so much you're just like Oh yeah I remember that one. Oh yeah there's a little self doubt. Yeah I've had self-doubt before. Oh there's a little fear that that business is gonNA fail you? I've had that before. So yeah sure. The shingles was definitely a seminal moment for me in a moment that helped me shift radically. In fact one of my business partners said you know you kinda going into that you were like Clark Kent and then you came out like Superman because of that six month kind of window so I guess it was took a long time to change in the photo booth but what he really saw was. I went into as a as a as unclear person an unfocused unpurposeful person and I came out incredibly purposeful and what's been great about the shingles and there's always in every tragedy. There's always a probably more benefit than there is cost or at Lisa my life mostly there has been in the pain of shingles last with me for ten years so literally when I get that inclination to call a C. Priority. Like someone trying to sell me something back and blow off and it always hurt me slightly. Because I'm a good person. I don't WanNa blow people off but then I just I'd almost like scratch chest. I'd be like Oh yeah. Yeah yeah now I remember. This is for this is my life. This is a life and death thing Because of what the doctor told me which may or may not be true but regardless and so I just started blown all those often. I'm sorry if you're a C. priority to me trying to sell me insurance if you call me seven or eight times. I'll probably call you back just out of respect for the fact that you tried so dang hard but if I if you call me three times I don't call you back. You can tell all your friends. I'm rude I don't care you're just not a priority for me and I lived my life based on my family. My faith my businesses. I do that. That's the top of my priority list and if you don't make that priority list than it's in my value system it's fine for me to blow you off. That's what I do now. Well like you say I mean everything that you're doing every decision you make is literally affecting your wife your kids your business so again if you can use that as your litmus test and say okay is this going to help me get to this point or is this. GonNa Bring me down. It makes it very easy. We away all the destruction and if you take another stab it's all about energy writes. The more energy have in life the more you're able to contribute to others to your family to people in general and if you allow energy suckers to kind of latch onto you whether it's a phone call or something you don't really WanNa do. You're taking away from the energy. You have for everything else so I really manage my energy field pretty effectively now and certainly in my twenties I was terrible at it will in your twenties. You like this. This light that was scattered but down. You're a laser even when you talk about what you do when I was researching. You're you're mentioning. How again you the stuff in the morning? You had the rituals to give you strength but also you prioritize those difficult things early so that by six thirty or even noon. You've won the day. You've already done everything. So now everything else there are. Fires had to be put out or whatever. You're on top of your game win the morning win the day. I wrote Miracle Morning. Millionare'S HAL elrod. And it's it's really a if everything you you have control of your life till about eleven or twelve really you know. Then you're in reaction mode whatever seeds you've sown in the morning and I used to be a night personnel a morning person. I love getting up at five. Thirty by seven thirty. I've already got two hours of even self care like reading a great book journaling or doing some exercise doing my meditation soon. My visualizations the days that I do that are much better days than when I am. I sleep till seven thirty and then I get going in the day. Seems like it's over before it even began those beautiful it osborne. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for sharing your gift to the versity. Thank you for all the wisdom. I can't thank you enough and if you're listening to these people I hope that you listen to it over and over take notes. Start putting this stuff and action because this is a person who's done it. This is a person who lives a very. I don't WanNa say balanced life. But he is doing everything at the highest level. And if you WANNA get anywhere in your life at a high level this is the person you should be listening to follow by his books. Go to his website and support him. Thank you so much marcus so great to be with you. Thanks for interviewing me. Thank you my friend. Everyone I want to thank you for tuning into the conscious minor. Epic achiever show. You are an epoch achiever and you can turn university into an opportunity and that opportunity into an epic win as reminder check out the show notes and everything about today's episode consciously inner epic Achiever Dot Com. If you found this information valuable. If you've found what did it was talking about powerful. Please share it with somebody shared on social media because people need to hear this information and this is how you begin the journey to your own self discovery and once again David Osborne. Thank you so much for being our expert today. I appreciate you so much. Thanks Marcus great to be with you. Thanks Linden conscious. Billionaire media PODCAST radio network host producer and owner of the show distributors and Broadcast Media. 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Thursday 20 June

Monocle 24: The Briefing

58:45 min | 1 year ago

Thursday 20 June

"You're listening to the briefing, first broadcast on the twentieth of June two thousand and nineteen on monocle twenty four. You're listening to the briefing coming to live from studio. One here at Midori house in London. I'm Elson Hello. And a very warm welcome to the program coming up. China's Xi Jinping makes his first visit to North Korea will find out why his there an Oscar, he can smooth. The often fractious relationship between the two communist nations. Also, I had on today's show, our panelists Bennasar and Rafael upon tutti will discuss the very latest on the deterioration in relationships between Washington and Taryn present Trump does not want war, and we will continue to communicate that message while doing the things that are necessary to protect American interests in the region. Plus monocle twenty four financial Agosto push echo will review the international front pages, and we'll be joined by the film director and Frederick Wittman, plus the author and entrepreneur. Julia Hobbs born will be popping into the studio to talk about next week's monocle quality of life conference in Madrid, all that right here on the briefing with me. Aminals announcing. Let's begin with our top story. China's president Xi Jinping has arrived in North Korea for talks with Kim Jong UN. It's the first time that a leader from Beijing has been there almost fifteen years, but it's not the first time that the two men have met while I'm joined in the studio by the China expert. David Schlesinger David was for a number of years, the editor in chief for Reuters combat's the PR m David. So this is the latest in a regular series of meetings between these two men, isn't it? Yes. Kim has gone to Beijing like four times they're obviously close allies as close as you can be with with North Korea. I think China wants to have more influence, but Kim is a very difficult man. And he's been playing all sides, very well. What is the significance of the fact that she Jing pink is traveling to Pyongyang as opposed to the other way round? Well, do your place or my place is a question. That's asked on I states and in diplomacy. I it's really important to show that he is actually giving. Kim face giving him status giving him prestige, both internally and and externally and it's really key that this is happening right before the g twenty meeting. This is seasons. Ping's attempt to get some leverage that he can use Donald Trump. When you when they meet and talk about the trade war, the one of the subjects that will undoubtedly raised at this meeting between the two men is the collapse of the Hanoi summit between Donald Trump and Kim Jong UN earlier this year to what degree is China's still able to have skin in this game. That is a very important question. Kim see Putin. Trump, they're all difficult gnarly characters, and they all surrounded by aides who have in many cases, very different ideas than their principles. So how this can actually be unravelled is, is a very, very important question that I don't have the answer to just today. We, we learned that there are still completely different interpretations of the word. Denuclearization. Does this mean just a one-sided denuclearization for North Korea, which Washington, apparently still wants or does it mean more see Putin? Kim idea that denuclearization actually goes on both sides with the US, pulling back from South Korea, which is what China would love to see. Of course, what was I find it stunning? What you've just said, as you mentioned, three indescribably powerful men, don't from Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping menu described as difficult Nali. But in the same couple of minutes, he say that Xi Jinping want to give Kim Jon earn face and status. It seems that there are these three incredibly powerful men dancing around one leader who is clearly, calling the shots here. I think this is been Kim's year for diplomacy. He has actually played the world very, very well. And I think a lot of it is because of this bromance. He has with, with Donald Trump. I don't know how. How it started. I don't understand it. But it's clearly there, even even know when relationships are very difficult after the collapse of the summit, North Korean propaganda is attacking the US madly attacking Pompeo madly hacking, many other US officials by name madly, but Trump is off limits. So the bromance continues this strange relationship this friendship, this love between the two men still continues, and that I think, has changed the entire equation of, of world diplomacy. If he's as you say, now, you see and Putin also wondering how do we actually manage to keep our influence? It is a friendship in a bromance. So that hasn't touchy produced any results yet, yet, and I think Donald Trump's ego, and his desire to somehow rival Barak Obama on the Nobel peace prize stage. I think that is a motivating factor that we can't rule out. Let's talk a little bit more about the regional dynamics when it comes to. Meeting being Xi Jinping and Kim Jong UN. There is a real desire by both men to create some sort of economic stability. What is the relationship between the two nations at the moment? And how far does that relationship influence other players in the region? Will China still is a huge deliver of aid. They are a trade partners, but the key issue remains the international sanctions, which Beijing Kent bust. Absolutely. They can find some ways around, but one of the keys to this whole denuclearization process is getting the sanctions relief, so they're actually can be true economic relationships. So tell us a little bit about what we think, might come out of this meeting then. Well, I don't think we're going to see much publicly. I think the key thing to come out of this meeting. We'll be some line that she thinks he will then be able to deliver to Donald Trump. At the g twenty meeting that will help give him leverage in his battle is separate battle with Donald Trump over over trade. This has not been a good year for C. He has the trade or he has a career. He's just had the Hong Kong protests, which were embarrassing to him as well. Why he needs to have some stability, some win. He needs to get his economy back on track. And it says sanctions lifted against North Korea what can China d-, what China has been quite clever. D- finding ways around saying it's a major trade partner with Iran. For example, even now, China does want it's remedy curtsey to be an international currency. So it's always investigating ways in which the beacon supplant. The US dollar has a major world trading currency. It's a very difficult road to go down. And you can't go against the entire world community. But the entire world community is not that unified at the moment. About anything Iran in particular, but North Korea, I think that you could probably drive some lines in there as well. Thank you very much indeed for joining his own monocle twenty four you with the briefing. The business news follows in just a moment. First Monaco's Ben Ryland has the latest world news headlines. Thank you view. Turkish president Richard Tubb Erta one says he believes the United Nations will look into the death of former Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi Mosey suffered a fatal heart attack in a Cairo courtroom on Monday. But there have been accusations of foul play the UK's conservative, and he's will hold a series of votes later, which will go some way to deciding who will replace. Theresa May prime minister the final two candidates will be confirmed by secret ballot before conservative party members across UK caused the deciding vote and the monocle minute reports only dominance of Paris, men's fashion week, a major reason for it success has been in part because the luxury giant LVMH has defied the general industry trend. To stage co Ed cat walks. We'll have more on that later in the program, those other days, headlines, MO. Thank you very much indeed, Ben. We'll have more on it. Now in fact, so Paris is eating everybody's lunch. Seems to be eating. Everybody's lunch. Certainly when it comes to fashion. Anyway, I'm not sure how much you're actually aging. If you're taking part in fashion week, of course, it will be indiscreet morsels, but just gently salami slicing continuing the food and fashion metaphor that, I mean, this is going to be bad news for the likes of Rome, and Milan lights in Milan, and for New York and for London whose reputation has been building steadily on the lot in the last few years of saying, you know, men's fashion week is is the thing that we do better than anybody else. And then Paris with LVMH come in and say, we're doing it different deals all the catwalks. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Isn't it? I think, but when you're competing in the fashion world, you do have to try pretty hard to steal the, the TR away from from Paris, don't you? I mean, para certainly has that. Pre existing reputation when it comes to fashion. And of course, a lot of this comes down to perception. They'll be a lot of people who are writing and absorbing everything about fashion weeks. You don't always actually attend all of these fashion weeks. So, you know, a lot of it is really down to how you'll city is perceived, and how you can build your reputation. And then there is the the details that go into building a fashion week as well. I'm Paris is flying high in every other aspect of the moment as well then. Right. And thank you very much. Indeed listening to the briefing, the time here in London is twelve ten. Let's have the latest business headlines. Now I'm joined on the line by Bloomberg Sebastian. Salek sebastian. Welcome. Tell us a little bit about central banks and what they're trying to do to get a little bit more easy money. Yeah. We're seeing a big trends towards easier monetary policy around the world, really, it was led by actually, the first banks to, to, to cut rates were Australia and New Zealand. But it's really genuine led by the Federal Reserve over in the US the governor there yesterday saying that they. Opening the door to a possible rate. Cut next month. Remember we were on the path of gradual, hiking is trade, that's got in the way here, creating uncertainties. That means that the central bank's forecasts on, perhaps, as reliable as they previously worked to the taking the easier option in the sense that they're looking potentially to cut rates, and that means that they encourage investment, and more spending. And this is something that other central banks have been taking notes off to the Bank of Japan saying today that it's appropriate for them to keep easing. Beth been struggling for a long time to meet that two percent inflation target, and they really wanted to give the impression that they're going to do what they can to get there to get into the minds of Japanese citizens and businesses to encourage them to spend an invest in order to reach their goals. We saw a couple of exceptions though, Nagas bang over annoy hiked rates earlier on is really the only one going in that direction of the major central banks and that's because of the amount of oil, the country's producing it has this money coming in. That means that eight can tighten things and the Bank of England today we just heard a few minutes. Ago. It's held rates unanimously, but it is looking potentially at hiking later down the line. They say they'll do that. If economic plans come to fruition, but of course, the big elephant in the room here is Brexit another thing like the trade story that's playing out that makes it very, very difficult for central bankers to plan ahead and St. the economy accordingly. Eight everybody else seems to take a very, very cautious route, and you mentioning the, the unwillingness to hike any rights. But some suggesting that actually even if you keep a low policy, right? You're not actually going to encourage that much real gross. Yeah. We'll be the reverse of tools that central bankers can use to, to create the conditions that they won cutting rates is just one of them. And indeed is one that the many of points to be saying in Europe saying earlier in the week pops last week. That was the first thing they would turn to. Of course you can stop buying assets and many of them already all buying assets, but it's a case of how you combine all of these tools in your armory to try and encourage businesses and citizens to, to spend an invest in the way that you want to create those economic conditions. Okay. Let's move onto slack. The messaging out that possibly has one of the worst names, I can sink. But it wants to take over on our emails, and it also wants to list. Yeah, pretty Paul startup put pretty poor name. I should say, we're pretty good stuff. If you're talking about valuations. The fastest startup to reach a billion dollar valuation when it did a few years ago, and now they're looking at listing is going to be a direct listing which is slightly different to this sort of IP areas that we see coming onto the market in the sense of the a big roadshow. You wouldn't have banks trying to drum up business. They really just want to get their stock onto a public exchange allow those who already own that to bail. The trade, it more liquid -ly, so as taking this unusual route that we saw specify do earlier on in the year at is creating some level of anxiety within the Bank, meaty community, because it means lost business for them, if they can't take that big chunk of the IPO money, and we're talking a lot of money here. I then the really is a lot of business lost to them at the time when razor so low. That's another thing that's hitting Bank. So both of these stories really in a way combine to paint a pretty poor picture for lenders globally. So they're set start trading on the New York story stock exchange today issues, the second company to try. This method off to Spotify. I said, it's going to be very closely watched to see if they can pull it off and to see whether it's going to be something that can be adopted Milwaukee select from Bloomberg. Thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle twenty four. You're listening to the briefing. It's setting footing in Zurich twelve. Fourteen hit in London. Some news, it's broken in the last couple of is an American military surveillance drone has been shot down by Iranian forces as it flew over the strait of Hormuz, Iran says the drone was violating rain, Ian base, the US maintains it was flying over international space, well to discuss that in a few days, other big stories, I'm delighted to say industry, I'm joined by Rafael of Penn. Teach e here in London. He's a director of international securities, at the Royal United Services institute neatly, renamed, as Roussy, and in Switzerland Bennasar. He's a researcher at the center for security studies at E. T H, Derrick. He's on the line from our bureau in Syracuse Switzerland. A warm, welcome both to you, gentlemen. If I can start with you. What do we know about the drone? Well, we know it seems to be an American Re perjure own. I think that, that the Americans have said was actually shut down. They claim was shut down in. In international waters, rather than in Iranian s base. I think it's, it's highly likely that there was a drone in the area at any were any reason to doubt that, and as I said the Americans have claimed it, I think the, you know, the fact that this is their does not. I think surprise us given the long standing tensions, we have between the United States and Iran. And of course, the United States would want to use every tool this disposal to try to gather information and joins a key part of that. I think what's interesting is the Iranian decision to shoot it down. Because of course, this comes at a moment. We're seeing escalating tensions and we've seen the US president talking about sending we'll force it to the Gulf. We've got a very clear sort of narrative coming out of Washington, with requests, senior government officials talking ever more bellicose terms about confronting your on. So it's coming against that sort of backdrop, and, you know, I think it is clearly quite a worrying esscalation the one tweet hundred out toward of this, which is quite an interesting developments. I think are so in some of the, the American coverage this morning that President Trump was apparently telling some of his stuff twice she toned down. Some of them will. Bellicose rhetoric that we were seeing coming out towards her on. So, I think it's, it's sort of another interesting question about what's actually driving this Ford's from a United States perspective, will this order to sh- to shoot the drone have come from is this local military decision that could possibly be a mistake with huge consequences or is this coming directly from Tehran. Well, this is at this stage really haunts us I, I mean, it could could well be a local commander who decided on the spot to shoot down this drone, whether it was on international waters or over your own interpreter, which we also don't know or it could have been more of a central order from from Tehran. Or there's a certain protocol that kind of makes very clear how to react in such a situation. Well as Rafael is already said, it's really part of an ongoing series of escalation, both in terms of rhetoric and in terms of what's happening on the ground. With. These last week incidents against like oil tankers in the streets of almost very mysterious explosions. And what strikes me the most is that despite all this quite hawkish rhetoric that we hear from Washington DC. We don't really see how it all makes sense all these allegations against Iran to kind of trying to disrupt oil trade in the area to support all kinds of conflicts in the region as well. It doesn't really make sense what kind of mode if your own would have for example, in, in this latest series of incidents to, to really attack presence there, because there's nothing to win really only an we've, we've seen that with very aggressive rhetoric from Washington DC, John Bolton Trump's national security advisor, who's written. An article in the New York Times thing if you're years ago, entitled how to stop well how to stop. Iran's bomb is by bombing Iran, and that's been the policy that he's pursued for very. Time, but I do think can maybe Trump is sincere in saying that he does not want collation at it does not want war. But both with this kind of esscalation has painted him into a corner almost where it's very hard to get out of to back down and hence, we see this esscalation increased troop levels that he's really wearing tight. We had two thousand troops more sensitive, but the United States to the region last week. Now we have the shooting down at a very conjoined by the Iranians. It looks incredibly busy in the Gulf of Oman. The moment, doesn't it? I mean, could you be painting picture of who the players are at the moment in what is one of the world's busiest places for the for the transport of oil? And what the purpose of everybody's presence is that I mean, Ben, Ben, I was describing this confused picture with no strategy. I think it's I mean, you know, this is a very, the straits of Hormuz are famously a very important waterway, because a lot of. Oil transport goes through this. Oh, so very watch sort of environment and one, which, you know, has long been a focus of a lot of attention, in particular, because of the sort of Iranian presence, that and the sort of importance of to international international trade in comas. So, I think what we've got is, you know, an area where there's a lot of attention. I think the real question is a bit wha-, what sort of by no is alluding to him. Would I tried to touch on my comment is? I think we're getting mixed messages, because I didn't go different factions in both Washington and Iran, that are pushing forwards in very different directions. I think from an Iranian perspective. My sense would be that actually for some time, the Iranians have been quite worried that in fact, the conflict that they've been the confronting with the United States is it a foam escalated level than maybe the Americans are actually thinking that they've been signaling and I think what we're seeing now is the American response does seem to be catching up to I think where the Iranians thought the conflict actually was, you know, we've seen the Iranians have had tensions really across this entire region. I think it's it was only it was. It was sort of late to last year. I'm forgetting exactly the date right now. But the Israelis I she shot down raney during the day. So that was coming out of Syria. And this was part of what they said, was sort of problem that was emanating from Syria, that was coming towards him as all from Iran. So I think we've got a very sort of aggressive Iranian posture, that's coming out. Probably mostly directed by the, the revolution, regards council. But, you know, I think the question for me is how far they think the conflict is already. And I think they think it's a far more advanced stage, then maybe the Americans think that they've been signaling last brief word on this subject who tones it down. And how does it happen? This is rated. It's Ricky question. I think the Europeans have been very reluctant. Both when he came to the nuclear deal with Iran were the US Specht back now they've been defending hit, and there's next week. I think there's a meeting in Vienna, whether try to save as much of this treaty as possible. So those are so neat, the voices who have also come forward saying, we don't really believe the evidence so far. That Iran has deliberately attacked or tank, for example in these straits. But I also think within washing as Raffaello has, has hinted that this factions who are not really interested in it escalates in the Middle East, yet another conflict in the Middle East, like Iraq that may unfold or the them, people may blindly step into. I do think also in the Pentagon, this huge factions who would be way more interested dealing with the threat to the challenge from China, rather than being bogged down in the Middle East yet again. So one can only hope that these voices reached the leaders that they reach Trump's ear and that for once he listens to here in London. You're listening to the briefing, and we move now to the charging a full men over the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight, Emmett seventeen over Ukraine, almost five years ago, the men for separatists backed by Russia or accused of shooting down the aeroplane murdering two hundred ninety eight passengers and crew. Well, these charges come just as the ru-. Russian President Vladimir Putin takes part in public phone in Rafael aponte Chee. This is awkward timing. This is the first time that prosecutors have announced charges against suspects is Anita action. It is. I mean, it's a sort of clarification of something that we knew was coming. I mean, we knew that there was an accusation that, you know that Russia had clearly supported these rebel factions in Ukraine, and giving them equipment that they'd use to shoot down this cross. But what we've seen here is the Dutch prosecutors coming out with a very clear message names in evidence that they've, I think so substantially from Ukrainian intelligence, but also others pointing to the exact individuals who they accuse his responsible for this atrocity and wanting to bring them to prosecution. So, you know, we're seeing a very what is essentially the culmination of a long investigation pointing fingers at, at who was culpable, full this territory, terrible event, that was happening in the fingers are invariably pointing back to Moscow and a coming in a moment, when actually President Putin is increasing, if eating under pressure at home. His popularity is not as high as it has been in the. Cost, and we've seen a growing number of protests, sort of around the country as the economy, sort of softens, and frankly, as people mostly in sort of outside the major sort of Russian conurbations get angry about the fact that they don't think that they getting the same benefits that everyone else from their country. What is the likelihood of these full men ever being brought to trial and Justice ever being seen to be done? Well, that's very good question. I don't think it's a very likely. And let's not forget, these are the full men that were somewhat responsible on the ground as the investigation commission says, but then the matter is like, politically, who's behind actions that led to the shooting down of this disaster craft and that is certainly Russian leadership. Whether it's Putin himself for the defense ministry, sending these anti-aircraft missiles to Ukrainian territory to the separatists who may not have known how to handle them, properly, or may not have had the proper reconnaissance twenty densify aircraft in the first place. And the real blame in the end will be. We'll be with them bar on the ground peaceful full will probably be protected by Russia for the foreseeable future. I don't really see them being extradited, and send to any kind of international court because there's really nothing to win for the Kremlin. And the Kremlin is facing sanctions, anyway, that may be increased sanctions. Now, if there is no cooperation with such a trial, but that will not really alter the picture in the end. And this is something that the relatives of the three hundred people hit died have said look, you up politicizing the murder of our loved ones here. Yes. I mean, I think they've got a very you know, it's, it's a very, it's a very strong case from that perspective. That they're the murder, frankly of their loved ones is something that has now you know, not seeing any Justice or any acknowledgement or responsibility in many years now. And you know, it doesn't look like we're going to see anyone actually brought to blame or brought to, you know held responsible for this terrible act this happened and you know. I think from that perspective their new awkward situation. This entire event has kind of been politicized from the very beginning because of the nature of where it happened in the nature will the actors involved, so sadly speaking, I think that they're gonna find themselves. Stuck in this corner from some time, yet, we mentioned, the idea of this being pretty bad timing for Vladimir Putin wrath mentioned the pressures that he faces domestically. His popularity is sinking. There are increased numbers of protests against him. And yet today he will take part in this annual very strange orchestrated public, phone-in rest, the questions that are asked to him. I'll brought by the ordinary Russians in the street precisely it's this funny annual exercise cold direct line to the president, and it's actually more of a marathon than an exercise. It can take up to five hours where like one question after the other is Israel has responded by Putin, who sits there with surrounded by fficials and governors who are quite afraid of what he may say because. Pains this picture of well, the president listening to the grief and the problems of everyday Russians, even though the questions are handpicked with no illusions about that. And then kind of solving these problems in a case to case thing, and blaming the people responsible for it. And that kind of fosters, this picture of Putin being detached from everyday corruption from everyday problems in Russia him being this lead who tries his best. But it's only this one person who can't solve all the country's problems, even though he's been in power for twenty years. So it's quite funny, exercise and recently tuned into the live ticker. And it basically said, lots of questions have been about the health system, for example. But some question, maybe about NATO enlargement in the east all kinds of random questions coming up. But it's all well rehearsed in the end. So quite a funny exercise to watch. I mean if I have spent five hours, I show tuning in a little bit later. I mean he's having to do with raff the likes of questions over the future of, of, of NATO. Russia's relationship, but also solving absolutely hyper local problems that is the resurfacing of a children's playground as people accused the infrastructure of rusher of not functioning, local authorities be not being unable to fix local problems anymore, and so ring Vladimir, and he'll send the Kremlin round, so you'll probably what I mean, I think it speaks a really big problem that he has, which is, you know, when you look after some of the poll numbers, you know, in some of the popularity ratings is James, they all going down. But they also relatively high, you know, in most western nita's be envious of this numbers eaten come on. So he person is still seen as a sort of relatively positive figure in the country in a sort of strong leader, though. As I say, there's definitely softening. But people often a massive complaints about local government. And the problem is that they find that the problems that they address the local government level, don't get address. And so in a way, they're trying to reach out to the center where they feel there might be responsible to that can help them, you know, this comes against about your over the fact that, frankly, there is not a as much money flowing out to the region. Jans as there wasn't the past we've seen the sort of the infrastructure, as you correctly point out is falling apart, but then also they're actually pulling back. So, you know, Russia's genomes country and one that did used to be connected by sort of network of rail and airports in particular, and what we've seen over the past year, or so, a lot of those being closed down, not refurbish, which means that people are getting very disconnected literally around this enormous country. And so they just kind of feeling that this prosperity in this advancement, and, you know, this is their one way of trying to reach out to, you know, the great sorry engaged his attention to maybe try to help resolve their local questions. You're listening to the briefing with me Emma Nelson. Joining me in the studio here in London. Rafael upenn tutti has director of international security studies at Roussy, and in Zurich bureau. Bennasar keizer is set to at the center for security studies at e h zero. Let's focus now on next week's g twenty summit in Japan normally a chance for the world's key leaders to on the surface at least speak as one but they'll be too. Tick yearly fractious characters in the group photo this year, they meet Donald Trump and she Jing ping, the trade war between the US and China is now being seen as a problem for the other leaders at the meeting Benno. This is a rather odd situation. We find ourselves isn't it to the world's most economically, dangerous squabbling children in the class photo precisely but they will shake hands elected, the best friends, and maybe they even when they talk about other issues Bonn, and the twenties, quite an interesting institution, bringing together to twenty largest economies in the world more or less, but it's a club where people can discuss where leaders can discuss directly all kinds of issues, and it will certainly be pressure by all kinds of other members on these two both individually and collectively to make sure that they kind of reverse, this course of a trade war of ongoing escalations of more and more tariffs being imposed, and that's been estimates, my the CD the organization for economic cooperation and. Development saying this may cost the world economy, hundreds of billions of dollars and appoint seven percent of the global GDP, just this trade were alone and I'm pretty sure that with these going esscalation other leaders will try to come in and try to prevent the worst. But we'll Trump listen will she listen. They all have their agendas in a way their domestic audiences. So this is a very hard very hard to solve. It's very hard and a loss of people have their economies at stake. I mean just looking at the front cover the New York Times today, it says Trump policies are starring uncertainty and weighing on global manufacturing. Some of even suggested that the, the dispute between the two men wrath is undermining the entire way that the well does its trade. I mean it really is. And it's, it's doing it already fundamental in really quite dangerous way. And I think this is one of the key messages, that's going to come up at this g twenty where you know, you've got a world where economic interdependence, globalization has been the reality that we will be working towards and we are all. Living incredibly interdependent economies that rule wired up around the world in a way that kind of creates a context where if we see to the biggest heaviest actors within this squabbling with each other and saw talking stead about renationalization about isolating themselves about Turkey and much more. You know, in terms that are sort of against this lobes -ation that he huge detrimental effect on everybody else around the world. Not only in terms of the fact that, you know, you start, you know, I if you go to sort of a web, and then two of the key nodes a sort of pulled out of it in talking to each other, then that whole web will sought fall apart, but then, also because what we've seen coming out of Washington, and, and China in particular is increasingly a push to get people to choose sides. And so this means that, you know, people are getting forced into recision to try to make a choice of either Washington, or Beijing, which is a choice and no one really wants to make. Because both important actors if you have though banner, that context of the g twenty okay up until this point, people have been told. Okay. Pick me. Me over him, the G, twenty hopefully is an event in an organization, which is bigger than the squabbles between to individual countries. Will there be an opportunity for other world leaders to sit the two men down and say, look, let's offer a little context, and let's just try and sort things out calmly now with all the grownups in the room? As many grownups in the room has as possible and Japanese official. The hosts of this summit have made clear in advance that they will try to talk bluntly about the issues at stake, because this is so clear. It's so important, there's no way to put it in nice words that will certainly be exactly those meetings, but has said earlier, like, Trump has a fully different audience. He's not thinking about whether he appeals to European leaders or the Japanese leader in any way he's thinking having his next rally in mind where he can bash China for destroying American jobs. And I don't think he's understood any bits of this fundamental logic of trade, and that such a trade war in the end only creates losers but I think he's a very much of the mind, so that even if you understand that he will just think, well, let's have the Chinese lose more than we lose. And as long as he's convinced by that, well foreign leaders can talk as much as they want, it may be very hard. Convince him final wed very briefly on new Begnaud mentioned, the fact that it's up to the Japanese to try and sort all this out, what role of what particular influence can they have in these proceedings the conference is happening on their territory? They've got to get this, right. I mean, I was in the other day where, you know, some quite prominent visiting American colleagues were say that, you know, the defender of the current kind of leadership. Global order is really Japan. You know, so I think amongst countries that are really advancing a very positive messages with the Japanese have done is they've done a very good job of continuing to, you know, embrace Trump closely, but also maintain a functioning relationship with China, so they tried to find a way to thread that needle between the two and you know, you can see president Ave is trying to step into increasing the other ways now. Whether that's totally advise. I don't know, for example, his visit to, to Han recently to try to calm things down there, but we can send the Japanese are playing very impressive game in terms of stepping up their role. Seeing that there is this difficult vacuum in terms of leadership as a sort of global level. Cheer here in London. And Bennett's oak in Zurich of Seki, both for joining me on the program still to come on today's briefing. We review the international front pages. I may look ahead to Monaco's quality of life conference in Madrid. So stay tuned. Thirteen thirty five in Paris, toll thirty five here in London you at the briefing. It's more than a quarter of a century since Kenneth reams was convicted for his role in a robbery that ended with a man's murder Kenneth is now in his mid forties. He maintained he never pulled the trigger. But he's been on death row in Arkansas, since he was eighteen now film has been made about him about not only living for twenty six years incarceration in a small cell, but also the hope he has created through marriage poetry and art. Let's have a listen. He didn't have the gun didn't pull the trigger didn't intend to kill anybody off. He went to death row. Lamb. Clip that from free men. It comes courtesy of journeyman pictures intimate so films. And it was a film made by the investigative journalist and Frederick, Mun, and teach joins me now very woma consist do. And thank you a stunning story. How did you come across it? I met Kenny because we were putting together an art show, and we went to him at the warned a unit supermax prison, super security prison. And so we ended up being in a cage, I mean, literally in a cage with him, that's where the visits takes place. It's very small cage, and I thought perhaps, he would just be talking about him, being innocent, or complaining, or, you know, he was telling us about his projects and the project was an art show in London at the temple and that art show, you know, at that time when he told me about that I was like, okay, you know, and it took place at the end of two sixteen and he was talking about putting together a play. And he was doing and had beautiful and very meaningful projects. And I was really, I mean blown away and I thought you and being really have a lot of power. I mean this guy lives in a cell, the size of your bathroom, or even smaller, and it has been that way for twenty twenty six years. Now. And so us end decide to share this man's voice with the rest of the world, the beginning, we're told we're going to hear the voice of a man sentenced to death, and we hear his story and it's up to you to fill in the other bits. Yeah. Because, you know, Arkansas is a tough state. It's very pro death penalty. Silla lot of racism, a lot of economic inequalities. And of course, they didn't wanna make didn't want me to make this film. So they did everything they could to prevent this film from being made. And of course, I mean, what could control was my ability to film, not Kenneth, and they said, no, but I mean it took a long time. You know. And they said, no consensus, and then I thought that's I'm going to do it anyway. You know these death row inmates. They don't they just number. They don't have a voice, they don't have an existence pretty much forgotten. And so, I thought, okay, his voice is going to tell the. Whole story. So I taped hours of fun conversation with Kenneth, and I mean, his life is incredible. What he's been able to do is incredible. And you'll hear his voice for ninety minutes. But I tell you, it's worth it. So we know the story of a man, who you say he lives in a cage, but in so many ways he refuses to be limited or indeed be broken by the limited. Limitations placed upon him. Exactly. And that's really, you know what I wanted to bring out in this film, because I thought his circumstances, of course, are terrible extreme but listening to him. And he also tells me that I mean, the some parallels with our lives. You know, he was able to push back the walls of his cell, all of us sometimes feel like we're, you know, trapped or in a small space. Where do we find the strength to push back those walls as Kenneth did it. And I think history is. Very, I mean raises universal questions and bring, I think also very human answers. He talks about the idea of having to fight against these rules. If you don't psychologically fight against then these walls will come for you, and come and get you, you said he I met him news pulling together an art exhibition. So what does he do to make sure that he does push back in any way that he can? This is this is poetry what is it that he's doing? Yeah. So he was able to build a world of his own. You know, really some he's a free man. I mean that's art. That's love. He was able to create beautiful relationship, and with the woman who became his wife, and it's really a great relationship also put tree, and he's been able, he really tells me that he's not in his cell all day long at all. I mean, he lives his living outside of his cell, and that's really fascinating. Tell us a little bit more about the pictures. I mean we're on radio here, so. On the back foot but describe a little bit of bounce. The tennis little bit what the art of Kenny rims looks like kind of incredibly powerful images, it conveys. So his art is mainly about the death penalty. He's, he's. I mean, he says, there's no museum on the history of the death penalty in America while this history is really a crucial one in our country. And I think he's exactly he's right. So he paints the history of the death penalty. That is, you know, people executed. You know how a devolve, which for how like when you learn that somebody was executed because he stole two dollars. I mean, you know, that's quite impressive. But in the film, I mean you will really see what he can't see because he's locked up in his cell. But what he sees in his mind that is his family. His love is a bell this art exhibit art show in London. All this surroundings and. You'll see it, sir. He has very rich world. It's an incredibly joyful love story between him and his wife is about it. They are a proper couple. Tell us a little bit about this story in how you maintain a marriage when your husband is in a cage, and how you maintain a marriage, when you your wife can never be with you. So that's incredible question can, you know, I mean it's a very important question. They're able to be to have this great very rich. Love light without having any physical. Contact basically. I mean she lives in France, he lives in this in Arkansas. And even if they lived in the same city I mean, they would not be able to touch, you know, or, and, but they share project, this share hope for him to be free and their love is really strong. And Kenneth because I get him to speak to audience after the screenings, and he explains that he says, okay, I just we just realized how strong love can be even if it's platinum, you know, and. And believe it or not is about is the most jealous woman I ever met. Given the fact that there's an unlikely of quite unlike off any unlikely, but as they tell me all the time, we're just a normal Cupo. But then again, I mean I can imagine though, if you have guarded you'll privacy, incredibly jealousy and densely had this amazing relationship with someone. And then this magnificent investigative journalists sweeps in says hi, I want to make film about your husband ensure tally show, how I would feel about that, frankly. How did you make happen, then how did you get over onto your side? You know, I told her I told her right away that I was married with three kids and quite happy. You know, so, but was, but it's to that, now he's getting a lot of attention. And so a lot of people organiz those cleanings where the people is able to really interact with him after the film, he calls in this guy has never boarded a plane. He never travelled out of Arkansas and because of this, he's allowed just to call me. But of course, the prison doesn't know that on the other side is like three hundred people four. People that's my little victory and also can little victory. But I mean people get to speak to him. And he he's so he applets everybody. Can you believe that what these three hundred people in the listening and finally you, and when you listen to Kenneth, and you hear histories what life lessons, have you taken on board in terms of navigating? The world this something really smart. I mean he he tells me it's not being smart. It's just, you know, survival instinct, but he got believe it or not. He's been victim of such an injustice. I mean being locked in for twenty six years without killing anybody. He feels no anger. Can you believe that he feels no anger and I go? Wow, how do you do that? And he says, you know, just realized that if I, I've been angry, of course, but I realized that this, this just is going to make me implode. I'm going to die if I stay, you know, if I keep on being angry, so that leads you to forgiveness. Okay. You're gonna think I'm just a re religious. Film director. But not at all the something really wise about how, you know, focus on essential things of life and the positive things of life to, to make your life. Interesting and not lose your energy, being angry or being jealous or whatever and Frederick Goodman. Thank you, very much, and defending me in the studio and Freeman is available on demand now and it is well worth a watch. You're listening to the briefing live monocle twenty four. For global perspective, and some fresh ideas direct your door on business culture and design, not to mention fashion travel, and much more subscribed today and join the world of Monaco as valued subscriber. You get ten percent discount in all monocle shops, and our online store. I receive exclusive imitations to our events. And how full access to the magazine archives. In addition, all one year, subscriptions come with a free limited edition, monocle, tote back with four bespoke subscription package. Choose from you decide. What suits you and Joe lives down best? What are you waiting for? Visit monocle dot com and subscribe today. Time now to review the day's papers joined in the CD by monocle twenty four culture. Correspondent and man, he knows what a good newspaper story looks like when he sees it fish echo. Hello. Fay, heavy lifting found I in the papers. Let's start 'Argentina have the front page of Linus yawn. I know you told me if I could bring some happiness, but unfortunately, because quite a lot of bad news, Tina in the world of economy, and the world of sport, is well, let's turn to the main story here an employment inner Genton reached ten point one percent. That's the highest number six thousand six and origin has been through manual me crisis before, but this one seems to be particularly bad, as well, because the GDP in the first quarter fell by five point nine percent and is interesting because again of said is before Modi's to market was elected people thought he was a moderate that he would improve the economy, but it doesn't seem the case, and let's remember Argentines voting in October. And that's very bad news for mockery who certainly try real action. What is he trying to do about this, if anything to try to solve the problem in order to stay in often where what is trying to do? I mean he has a new vice president, who's from the Paranaense party, which is not as right-wing, Mark. So I think he wants to open up his coalition a little bit more. But so far in terms of solutions for the economy, I haven't seen much of what marketing is proposing. I did mention to you that it's not only the world of economists port as well at the moment in South America. I'm not sure if you're following that we have Copa America. We have two big terms. Of course the women's World Cup. But also Copa America, which is the euro's, but in South America Argentina tied with Paraguay one one, so they are they could be imitated in the first round of the Stormont, and let's be honest here. Paraguay's not exactly a football powerhouse here, so quite embarrassing Argentina with boating. And the same Leo. No mass as a problem Dana myself force terrifying stuff. Let's move to Spain to L LP's talking about Spain. We're heading off to Madrid next week. But Spain is having a problem with very, very low birth rate, very, very low actually in fact, birth plummeted thirty percent in ten years. So now you know, they have quite a lot of gronk graphs. You're in the story. So, for example, graph, take good graph, so nineteen seventy five the average, you know, birth rate in, in Spain was two point eight for each women and now is one point twenty five. It's one of the lowest in Europe and I would say perhaps one of the lowest in the world as well. And of course, Spain had a problem of lot of not only immigration in Spanish, leaving the country. So, you know, some people are concerned, and then you might ask one of the reasons, as you know, here in Europe, in the Nordics, they have quite stable for today to rates in one of the reason because they have quite good maternal care. And you don't see that in Spain. So I can't imagine lot of Spanish women say, you know, I'm going to have if I have a baby, I'm not gonna have any support from the state so that becomes quite hard for that as well. And, and is there anything being done by the Spanish authorities to try and redress something which will be a problem in twenty years time? Well, you know, of course, they are trying to do kind of e more care for, you know, for mothers, or even kind of kind of free childcare, but so far, not a lot has been done to that. And of course if you look an autograph here, sorry, I do, like my graphs and the last two years, there's been more deaths than births and that's you know, that's very new thing in Spanish society. But let's, let's be honest here. I don't think Zony Spain, the living through that I think countries in Portugal, Italy is won't some countries in eastern Europe has are suffering the same problem finally voice efface from your childhood lease and indeed, from vast amounts of Brazilian popular culture, Rubens have Al filial has died has died. He's the most celebrated film critic in Brazil, he died, seventy four years of age. And e you know it's his here on full its power, a lot of people, you know, offering their tributes to hin I grew up with him talking at the Oscars ceremony when they were live in Brazil he was the commentator in saying, like who's going to win. So he was quite famous. I think it's very hard to have a film critic that, you know, the average Brazilian would find. No industry's CEO, that's who've been, you know, and he wrote a lot of books he was even the author of the script of one soap-opera co Adam assays, or we were six so very much. He had a very celebrated career and yeah, very sad. And he's the man, you know, I'm very interested in cinema. He was the first kind of him critic. I got in touch when I was very young watching TV back in Brazil about him that driver to him. Well, he's very charismatic. I mean he's incredible broadcasters. Well, I mean, he did write for papers, but I think people know him as by his, you know, strong wit I wouldn't say. How, how can I compare with someone here from the UK? I wouldn't have any names for you, but yeah, who've been very sad to hear about that. Thank you very much data. Joining me in the studio financial Agosta for Shekar there with the South American newspaper review. The times tall fifty one here in London. You're listening to the briefing on monocle twenty four. Finally, this time next week, monocle de camps to Madrid for our annual quality of life conference. One of the panelists who be joining me is the financial hub spoon writer to expert on all things to do with work technology security, Nate you name it. And I'm delighted to say she's joining me in the studio. Welcome back. Tell twenty four. Julia, so we are getting on planes case Madrid, and we will be talking you and I a lot of other people about privacy. Yes. Yes, tell us a little bit more about, you know what, if you were to be one of the two hundred sitting in the audience next Friday for the conference, what we will be talking about in terms of privacy, and actually how much we wish to compromise. Well, I think one of the most interesting aspects of the new moment, we're having around technology, digital social media is that perhaps for the first time really in an entire generation since we'll fell madly in love with the internet and social networks is this is our number one concern. I'm not sure it necessarily should be the number one concern. I think there's lots of things that in fact, you and I've talked about in, in a separate context. Amer about the, the, the pervasiveness of technology in our lives. But I think it's fair to say that everybody is worried about privacy, partly because we've all given it away. So I think what people are going to hear about what will be talking about is real the architects, partly of our own misfortune, where partly at the mercy of algorithms, the have been designed and written surreally without anybody's control other than the owners and commissioners. And what does that mean and really what it means is? I think something that Scott mcnealy CEO of SUN, Microsystems said about twenty years ago, which is probably the best statement on the subject, which is you have zero privacy get over it. There is a into what's you realize that you've handed over your privacy? Away without actually being that conscious of the act being done. It's really hard to try and grab it back in once it's gone. It's gone and chewed we have to deal with it or should try and chlorate back a tiny. I mean I it's interesting point I don't know whether that's completely true, actually because I think lots of things can be repaired and refresh for example, I automatically clear down tweets after certain period of time, not that I'm worried about anything tweeted in particular, and not that if I did say something silly or contentious, it couldn't be found. So yes, you can't ever completely look, Dohrn it. But just because there's a good practice. We can take steps to stop sharing an over sharing absolutely endlessly. And Ditto Facebook to be fair to them. Did introduce a much more coherent set of privy settings quite a long time ago? So do you think we can undo unpick and correct? Some of the excesses, but there is an awful. A lot of data that we have given away for free models around commerce, and with Jere location that we are only just realizing gives us trackability all the time you're talking to, has difficulty in keeping a house, tidy, let alone keeping her tech tidy, but there has to be that, that acceptance now that both in our personal and indeed, our working lives. And you've written about this recently tech, his the extra colleague who never leaves us now. Yes, I call technology third person in the room, you know, if you go and see a shrink or psychoanalyst they'll, they'll usually say that there's a metaphorical third person in the room with you at any given time, which is, you know, your problem with your mother, or your father or your lover, whatever technology is ever present with us, likely third presence, and I think we're only just beginning to come to terms without the other thing that is, in fact, the subject of my next book is really how we're coping with complexity. And we're craving simplicity. Technology ashes in something that is build a simplifying. But often isn't what I mean by that is the app is great and convenient until it freezes. And then you're absolutely screw, you know. And so what interests me is how we retain our identity as humans and I'm going to be speaking at the conference next week with a wonderful anthropologist. You know, this is the question of all time, whether we're talking about procedure, whether we're talking about convenience. How do you retain the human in the machine age? You guys are lots of people know who actually his his entire existences people. They feel that they have to be validated by their online presence. I mean, something that I suspect that if you're over a certain age, you don't care what you look like on YouTube and fuck you not interested in it. But if you look at people under twenty a lot of people find themselves to find that way. Yes. Social, anxiety and social media. All all connected. I do think that that's an issue. I'm relatively optimistic about the fact that we're talking at a much deeper more complex level than we have been before around this stuff. You know we as say blindly for fifteen twenty years gave away, our identities gave away, our privacy gave away all believes that social networks and connected technology was going to be the answer to absolutely all of our prayers. And of course it's a little bit more nuance than that, finally, what you're looking forward to next week quality of life conference, kicking of Madrid. Next Friday, go shot headache. I have to say, I'm really really interested in attending. I'm thrilled to have been asked. I'm I'm looking forward to going to Spain. I'm a big a big euro file when it comes to traveling and are not not really been to Spain very much and the minds the meeting of the minds and also in my work around connection. I write a lot about design principles architecture. 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54 - Unsolved Mysteries: Our first obsessions with True Crime

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54 - Unsolved Mysteries: Our first obsessions with True Crime

"Welcome tone, fours talk, or we're not really horse. We just like word play. Hello and welcome Horace Talk. Horror I'm Sharon and I'm Melinda. We have a very special episode today and I am super excited about it, so one of the first episodes that we ever did was about our first horror movies that we watched just kids that made us turn into lifelong horror fans since we are now in our second year, we thought it was about time that we do an episode about the first true crime stories that we remember hearing about that turned into lifelong true crime fans. and honestly before we go any further I need to make a slight in fashion here. I was a true crime late bloomer. Honestly My Mom's always been a true crime buff like literally my entire life, and while she'd spare me like all the gruesome details. She wasn't shy about discussing cases that freaked out, or you know indulging me and mccaw bludgeoned stuff like that. For instance at a young age I I knew in theory anyway, who Charles Manson and the family were and kind of what they did, or at least that they were evil people in did horrible things, but I can't ignore true crime as a kid because like for me, it like that. Was MOMS boring stuff? into scary movies and stuff like that rather than crime, which now I think was my super lay mass, way of rebelling as like a fourth or fifth grader so yeah revelations all around this week. But I was having trouble thinking of something to do for this episode and I talked to my mom just last night after I had come up with my idea, and asked her what she thought, and if she remembered me talking about anything as a kid, and literally she and my dad in unison talked about this story. they also talked about a story that Sharon is gonNA. Tell a little bit later which I'm psyched to hear about because I don't know the story. Okay, because I love a good good story, I'm calling dibs and I'm going to go first with minds. That I can sit back once. I'm done and let. Sharon tell us all a creepy creepy tail wash Sharon. It's just like when we were little. All right I'm very curious to hear what your story is because you've been. Giving me. You won't even be given me hints all week, but you've been very mysterious about what you're going to be talking about. And I was trying to think back to our childhood. Honestly the story that I'm telling is the only thing I can really think of that stands out around that time, so please indulge me and the rest of our listeners. What are you going to be talking about okay I'm GonNa? Get to? It I. Just wanted to clarify that this is at really your typical true crime story. Story, but it does involve all the goods mysterious deaths multiple. What the fuck moments like honestly I? Actually have more questions now after researching this as an adult and like with the Internet at my disposal than I, did it as a kid. It was also the turning point for me. It was the first time I really stopped and paid full attention to a real life story one that ended up bridging my love of horror while planting the seedlings of what would become a full-fledged true crime obsession. But it also drove home. The fact that you know sometimes even when you're a kid, mom and dad can't always make better. So enough what the four play! Let's get onto it. I'M GONNA. Talk about the death of actress Heather Rourke from the Portuguese movies Oh. Shit! How good one on my okay! Yes, I'm excited. Go we'll. Say. Poor choice of words but God. I haven't thought about this and so so long, and I forgot a lot of the details, so yes, we talk about this all the time, but sharing and I have mentioned that. When we were like you know in the third grade, we would play poltergeists to my parents basement as kids do. But I was legit freaking obsessed hardcore with those movies particularly with the character of Caroline. Just to refresh the memories in case, she was the young daughter in all three films. Actually, that was kidnapped in stock by ghosts. She was close to our age. The actress was I would scour every people magazine. My aunt would give me when she was done or any teeny bopper magazine. We could find just to like it info on her because she just seemed cool and she was in my favorite scary movie so like we should be BFF's right. And she her sudden death was utterly and completely shocking, because she was frigging twelve years old. And I'm not I'm already dating myself, but I I was a slightly younger that at the time as was Sharon and that Shit didn't happen twelve year, olds did not die. the story was and to me is still mysterious, and it actually eventually lead to litigation so yeah I'm going to jump in heather. Michelle rourke was born for a little backstory on December. Twenty seventh in Nineteen, seventy, five in San Diego Her parents were Kathleen and Michael. Kirk MOM was a seamstress. Dad was a carpenter, and then heather had an older sister Tammy, who was also a dancer, an actress and we're going to get back to Tammy and a little bit. But just for us to the fill you guys in in one, thousand, nine, hundred, one Kathleen and Michael divorced mom and her two daughters. Tammy actually spent quite a few years living in a trailer park in Anaheim California and then eventually Kathleen Mary Jim Appeal in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty four, and that was how they in Tammy Stepdad so back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty tammy o Rourke, how there's older sister had a small role in the MGM Movie Musical Pennies From Heaven which is set during the Great Depression and fun fact, it stars Steve Martin Bernadette Peters and horse talk horror favorite. Favorite just fucking harper thanks IMDB. I just found that out any. You heard of a crazy right any who as he explained in an interview with American premier? Magazine producer Steven Spielberg at was looking for a quote beautification for year old child, every mother's dream unquote for his lead in the horror film poltergeist while eating in the MGM Commissary Spielberg saw then five year old Heather O'Rourke having lunch with her mother, while her older sister was shooting the pennies from heaven movie. Spielberg approached the family after lunch offered how the poltergeist role and she was signed to the next day. Heather's performance carry on led to several television and TV movie roles. She worked with Disney and eighty three. She did episodes of chips webster the new leave it to beaver our house. And then she had a recurring role on happy days. which that's choose like five at the time. That's crazy impressive. She also did a few made for TV movies, and of course start in both poltergeists, two and three. Actually remember her from happy. Which is oh. My God I love that you ruin number of that. But no insurance, it's not that weird. No it's not at all, but I love it. Put It on the list. Anyway. Heather's success did eventually allow her family to purchase a nicer home in big bear lake, California but older sister Tammy claims that heather was never really aware that she was quote. A star sheep aunt both Tammy and Heather attended public school as opposed to private when they weren't filming stuff how there was very popular, she was president of her fifth grade class, and she had a photographic memory so at age five. She learned all her lines poltergeist in a day including those of her co stars. Like wow. In early Nineteen eighty-seven Heather Contracted Okay Sharon. You might have to help me out, but I did try to Fennell phonetically spell it. Jared Isis. can you? You have to spell it. What you're reading. G. A.. R. D. ISIS SIS it's a parasite that lives in water geared Isis I think it might be geared. Isis because I was close. Thank you though I because I was also very I was also like excited to tell the story because I knew that. If I got confused about medical term I could be like sure how you pronounce that. Anyway, thank you for that Sharon. PRONOUNCE IT radio. It's Georgia infection, and then it says Giardi Assis Giardi Asus. Actually how GOULE PRONOUNCES IT? They spelled it phonetically that way, and at the time it made sense, but that was yesterday or two days ago. Who knows anyway? Back to her. She got that disease that. Illness is a Paris a parasite contracted that parasite. Let's go with that. It's easier to say from drinking. well-water at her family is big bear home. And at the time she was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and prescribed cortisone injections as treatment. We Just cut you off. I Apologize. Spencer pulled up something about the parasite that she contracted. It has another term as well. That's easier to pronounce and I'm not even making this up. It's beaver fever. It's was in Beaver, fever. Sharon likes to laugh at the end of her sentences when she thinks something is really really funny, so you sometimes lose the end of it, but bieber fever so you could say. She contracted beaver for you. You Know I. Would have laughed at that. Thank, you. That's much easier to say and Yeah, yeah we're not making fun of the death of a little girl. A WHO I'm seriously. Some of the terms that they use. in the money. They couldn't do any better than that seriously exactly exactly in the fourteen year old boy that lives inside me just right. I mean let's be honest. I was giggling to. Yes, we are fourteen inside. Sorry back back to your story so. So the beaver fever cleared. But she was still showing internal, swelling by the intestines, hands the cortisone treatments and the krones diagnosis at the time. It was during this time that she was in what what what Chuck Oh filming poltergeists three, which was fun. Fact claimed that she didn't like poltergeist, too, because it wasn't scary. Enough I just think that's areas. Unfortunately, while filming poltergeist three, her mom Kathleen talked about how heather was. Was Very self-conscious because the cortisone treatments she was receiving caused facial swelling of the cheeks I actually just re watch this movie and I mean I. Know About It, so I noticed I didn't think she looked bad. But it's a common side effect with long term steroid use call it moon face, but yeah. I do remember that as a as a kid that she had that. Yeah, totally. So poltergeist three wrapped on January, thirty, first, nineteen, eighty eight. Own Work began exhibiting. What just seemed like symptoms the following morning. She actually got up and told her mother she wanted to go back to school, but she was unable to swallow her breakfast, and her mom noticed that her fingers blue, and eventually she collapsed in her family's home. Other was rushed to community hospital, and we're GONNA go with L. K. on. In California on route. She suffered cardiac arrest of paramedics were able to restart her heart at nine twenty five, am after being airlifted to the children's Hospital of San Diego. It was discovered that she had intestinal stenosis. Pretty sure I got that one right She went into emergency surgery and survived it actually, but had another cardiac arrest while being transferred to the recovery room. CPR was performed for over thirty minutes, but at two forty three PM. was pronounced dead The cause of death was ruled congenital stenosis of the intestine complicated by septic, shock. so Dr Daniel, Hollander the head of Gastro Gastro end and. I cannot talk. A good thing Dr Gas. Trio and terminology there we go big words. at over at the University of California Irvine Medical Center. Dr Hollander stated that he felt works. Death was quote distinctly unusual as she had lacked prior symptoms of any Baldi fact, he said quote I would have expected a lot of digestive difficulties throughout her life, and not just to have developed a problem all of a sudden. However and this is not a joke, the head of gas, theriault and terminology at Children's Hospital of. Whose name is Dr Frank? Sinatra? No, Joe. Do you want me to tell you how to say that correctly? Gastroenterology, thank you I. I was close, but good old doc. Frank Sinatra No Joke! That was his name. He stated that he thought it was possible for the congenital bowel, narrowing to set to cause sudden death without symptoms of an infection prior, and it still could have caused the bowel rupture so. I'm already sort of confused, but stay with me. Shortly well a few months after her death in April of nineteen, Eighty, eight her mom mom. Kathryn O'Rourke peel was her full married name filed a wrongful death suit in California. Superior Court in San Diego County, claiming her daughter's illness with misdiagnosed, which eventually caused her death. The suits primary defendants were the Kaiser Foundation Hospital and Southern California. Permanent Permanent. medical group. I'M GONNA. Stick with Kaiser going forward Kathleen states that she received a letter, which was dated March thirtieth of Nineteen, eighty-seven, so prior to others death from Dr James Tipton of La's Kaiser Foundation Hospital saying that there was quote conclusive radiographic. Radiographic? Thank you evidence for Crohn's disease, and in case you don't know it's a chronic inflammation of the bowel. In an article by AP News on May twenty fifth. Eight Sanford EM gauge. The family's attorney stated quote. The doctors failed to recognize that she had a bowel obstruction since birth and misdiagnosed condition. As a result, they prescribed medication instead of a relatively simple operation that would have cured her Jesus and then unquote. Unquote, and then her mom quote says it was an intestinal blockage that it probably been present since birth, the rays taken if properly read, would have disclosed that this was the kind of condition that should have been treated surgically so not much detail. As is the case with legal stuff is really available as to the outcome of this lawsuit, but through a few online legal databases I was able to get enough info to see that Kathleen, peel settled out of court for an undisclosed amount with the Kaiser Foundation My guess is that the Kaiser Foundation did the usual. We don't want scandal. Let's throw money at this. Settling out of court is not an admission of guilt necessarily, but it doesn't really answer a lot of the questions that I have still. so stick with me because we still got a little bit more to go remember Tammy Hersholt heathers holder older sister who she was visiting when she got for poltergeist. Literally the night before we record the recorded this I stumbled on a podcast called fan counters. Close encounters, but it's like if you're a fan, so fan counters. and it's hosted by gentleman named Nick No last name listed, but he in November of two thousand eighteen had an interview with none other than Tammy Walker heathers existing sister. Sharon, you'll be happy to know that Tammy. Left the entertainment business and is actually a working nurse. She lives in California and she says that she's a nurse within the prison systems and she didn't really get any more specific with that, but hey good on her marriage. She's a family. She's happy she did say that. Due to the lawsuit with Kaiser and I'm assuming whatever they had to sign, she couldn't really talk a whole lot. Specifically about her sister's death, she did however disclose that heather had a known congenital quote problem since birth, and that's literally what she said. She didn't go further with that. She didn't offer any details so. Regardless of Heather's death I want to be clear that I'm not placing blame accusing her parents or anyone of neglect practice nothing like that. I'm just a little confused because. Did others family ever inform her doctors at least without initial krones diagnosis that she had known congenital condition. In retrospect, it sounds like they kind of knew about it, but again this is like thirty two years of hindsight, so that does wonders for people. Clearly I'm no doctor, but I. I do kind of agree from the casual observer reading that I. Did you know no medical training but I kind of agree with Daniel Hollander and his observation that it just seems odd that this severe of a condition came on so suddenly as opposed to showing signs like throughout her short life well and also. Is She didn't say what type of congenital condition she had right. She just said that she had some type of congenital problem. Right since like which? Could be anything. It doesn't have to do with her intestinal problems. It could have been a congenital heart condition, which may have nothing to do with it, or it could be any any problem with any part of the body that she's born with so who really knows and. I'm guessing it was probably documented somewhere in her medical records if she had this. Someone would have written it down and hopefully, whoever was treating her what have read through all her previous medical history and would have been aware of it. I think that actually plays into the lawsuit and again. This is me totally. This is not like. I found, but one thing that was mentioned that Kathleen her mother had mentioned when like pursuing the lawsuit. She said that the group that they would see doctors. It wasn't like it was one specific group. They all work together, but you wouldn't necessarily see see the same doctor every time you went. and I remember in the eighties for short time like my family, and I had a health plan like that and nothing like this ever happened, but I could see how if it was recorded in her files, it could have gotten overlooked. But for sure, there is no electronic medical records back then I mean even today all hospitals in facilities are equipped with electronic medical records. There's still people using paper. And that stuff it is very easy for that stuff to get lost in the chapel. especially, if you're seeing multiple practitioners, and if you do have some. Major medical problems were you're required to see multiple doctors? Yes, absolutely that stuff, kidding. Just go to the wayside and get completely overlooked. I'm a little confused because the way that I heard it when you were describing the situation was that. I didn't take it that the mother that the family knew before her problem in the hospital that you had a congenital issue. I thought that maybe they sort of figured out that she had a congenital issue after the fact. Thank you for mentioning that Spencer, because that through me, too. Because the mom like I found like old people magazine articles on line that I remember like physically reading, but her mom kind of said it was probably there, but in this interview with Tammy she was clear about it, she said Oh yeah, no, we. She had something since birth. But she didn't specify what. So. This is why I'm like. Okay I can see now a little bit more clearly. How so many wires could have gotten crossed, but kind of like well. At least her sister seems really sure you would think somebody would have said something during the Crohn's disease situation like. Has Whatever the condition was I'd but I don't know because. I. Don't think they can be specific obviously because of the lawsuit so. To be clear I'm not. I mean with hip in it. It's none of our business. anyways. What her? Her medical conditions are so yeah. That's also true and it was the eighties. but like I don't WanNa give anybody the impression that I'm building any sort of conspiracy here. Literally you could do a quick Google search and find more horrifying bs than I could even handle. I think I'm naive, but while there's a lot of crazy ass, conspiracy theories about how their work on the Internet and they're very very strange and creepy. clearly thirty two years later this. STORY IS DILEMMA MIND and it was truly the first obsession I had with story. That wasn't told me by someone else or that. I didn't over here while like. Battering unsolved mysteries. In many ways it sort of remains unsolved for me, just because so many of those puzzle pieces are missing, and we probably will never get them. At the same time I feel like I, kind of got a chance to know heather a little bit more if I could say it that way because I got to hear more about her as a kid her sister told US hilarious story about how they were collecting stickers, and they were in an elevator to go to the Jerry Lewis Telethon and heather. Heather dropped all over stickers and so tammy tried to help her pick them off the elevator floor. They reached the ground floor. The elevator doors open, and how they're said Tammy and dropped her stickers all over and walked right out of the elevator like she sounded awesome, and who, like? It's just horrible because like she could have been forced to be reckoned with. And could have maybe been working with Mike Flanagan who knows or even been at that level because she wanted to direct so. That's my story thirty two years later, and I'm still heartbroken, but. That is the tragic story of how the Row Work Caroline Anne freeling from poltergeist. Shut well, thank you, I, do doppler remember when she passed away because we were a years younger than her, and were such fans of that movie I got Shit My gramma kept that I'm GonNa put online that I was embarrassed to find as an adult. Not, like anything gross, but like yeah. I was obsessed. Yeah it was really sad when she died. I couldn't believe it because you're right when your kids you just didn't. I didn't know any other children who died when I was little. Neither of US did I don't think I. Obviously it happens, and it's horrible when it happens, but it was not something that either one of us dealt with personally, this was like the closest thing. Is You know seeing an actress that we both really liked and liked her movies. Pass away was just so sad and tragic delay, and like you said possibly could have been prevented. Yeah, I didn't realize. Like obviously, she seemed like a bright kid, but the fact that she like memorize the poltergeist script literally like an hour. That's just. She's brilliant like who knows so. That's my story on a lighter note. others famous line there here from the first poltergeist movie that is ranked at number sixty nine on the American film. Institute's list of one hundred movie quotes another fun fact how they're being five years old. When she filmed the first poltergeist she was super, excited and interested in the skeletons that they used I know Sharon. Have talked at length about how they were real, but she thought they were cool in scare at all. Maybe she would have grown up to be a doctor right among many other things Tammy was asked during her interview, if Heather and her family went to the funeral of Dominique, Dunne the actress, who of course, played Caralan and Robbie and pull the original poltergeist films older sister, who also tragically passed away before her time another story we might get into another time and lot lots of you probably know it, but This is what I wanted to make. Sure Sharon new Tammy said that they didn't really know Dominic Dominique. That much, because she was older, but they were buds with Oliver Robins, who played the brother? Robby and Sharon had a big crush on when we were little. For like two seconds when I was like eight. and. Then he got braces that exploded everywhere. You were like Yup I'm done I was like ooh. WHO's this Christians later guy? By Oliver. Later. The other thing that Tammy said that I swear. I have I think since young age sworn that this was true and so I just feel sort of indicated, but there's no proof. Tammy swears that in the beginning of the film poltergeist to that there was a very brief yet fleeting mention about how Dana, the older sister decided not to go with the family to the grandma's house and stayed with friends because she's clearly not in poltergeist, too. I also remember hearing that very briefly the first time I saw. However I've not been able to find that line sense so kind of weird lastly about the poltergeist movies. We could go on all day about them, but this fucked me up hard. I guess, original ending of poltergeist three has been up for discussion like heatedly online again unbeknownst to me completely, but people were like I found some post. People are like come on. MGM released a photo. Could you know you want to? And the studio is always said that they never reshot the ending. You know they had wrapped before how they're passed away. Tammy confirms that at the end of poltergeist three. They were GONNA fucking kill. Carolyn what you can't do that, yeah! And then they were like they shot it and everything, and then after she passed, they were like. Maybe not and. The ending is now what we see where Tom. SKERRITT and Nancy, Allen are hugging. Oh Donna from our our friend from twin peaks. Aka. Laura Fumble or Lara Flynn. Boyle sorry and Heather arrives. Character is laying in their arms so we assume she's alive, but like it sounded like they for real. We're going to have a death scene and I guess. Nick from Fan counters podcast interviewed Zelda Rubinstein before she passed, and she was very terse and was like i. don't remember I. Don't know. I don't remember what they shot whenever I don't know and like didn't want it. No one's ever commented. In fact, Lake Nancy Allen and Tom skerritt agents flat out like turned down any requests about it. And again I'm sure it's just because there was a child involved who passed away and people are trying to be sensitive, but it's a scary movie, and it just adds fuel to the room fire. So I just wanted to bring that up because I thought it was kind of interesting. All right well, thank you. Many I was like thinking all week. What are you GonNa? Tell me who what is your going to be? I had no idea, but this was Yeah, surprised me. I did not think of this at all and I. Thought for sure you'd know I thought you would have guessed for sure, or you'd be like. No, I don't know like or something. I was like I. Don't know, but this is meeting more true crime. I wasn't thinking of like mysterious death, but you did say that it was kind of involving. Horror movies with a little bit. You crime with mystery with Blah Blah Blah so yeah I was stumped. Yes dumped me poor little innocent. Mindy realize you know it's hard to hear about a kid your age who got really sick? And when you get sick, your parents take care of you, and in this case like that didn't happen. It just yeah. I remember us all being totally fucked up about it, which sounded odd to say just now because it was actors tweeted. No, but we were fans. So yeah, but it's been over thirty years. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. So yes that it please keep memory alive. That is tally of how there are work. Sharon I'm glad I was able to surprise you, but My parents are really excited about your story, but I'm more excited because I. Don't know how I don't know anything about this, but please do tell. I. Don't know how you didn't either My I came from a family where I watched the news allots because My brother and I would go to my grandparents house after school where they would watch us, because my mom was a single mom, and she worked a lot, and my grandparents were those people that put the news on from like three thirty. All the way until the ten o'clock news, and then they would watch Johnny Carson, but yeah, they just had the news playing all day long so I would sit on the couch sometimes and watch the news with them. And this story was like the biggest thing in the news when I was growing up. That really just like changed my life, it got me super interested in true crime and well. Get into it. Yeah, this is the disappearance and the murder of seven-year-old Jacqueline de Wallaby. She disappeared on September Tenth Nineteen eighty-eight from mid Lowthian Illinois, a south western suburb of Chicago, just seven miles south of where I grew up, and where I actually lived for two years of my life as an adult put a pin in that we'll get the debt leader so before we get into my case I wanted to give credit to my references. I used a bunch of different websites. UNSOLVED MYSTERIES DOT COM ABC seven Chicago at DOT, com Wikipedia Reddit Chicagotribune.com. what else lot northwestern E. D. U.. Fletcher MARPLE DOT COM bizarre and grotesque that come and find a grave dot com. I also want to give a trigger warning. This story will contain child murder, sexual assault against a child and also an adult and a possible child abuse, well definite, child abuse, but Here we go. Jack Linda Wallaby was born may seventeenth nineteen eighty-one. Jacqueline was described as a sweet innocent, little girl who is very shy and had big beautiful blue eyes, her parents, Jimmy and Cynthia guests. Jacqueline's father Jimmy, who admitted to being in and out of trouble as a kid said he met Cynthia when she was thirteen or fourteen years old at a roller skating rink where he worked the dated for seven years, then married after Cynthia became pregnant with Jacqueline. Cynthia Jimmy had separated a year after marriage before Jacqueline was born. I didn't want anything to do with her Jimmy set of Cynthia bitter divorce eventually, Jimmy moved to Florida to do construction work. Jacqueline never knew her biological father in her short life, but Jimmy said he was kept informed about her through his mother Jackie. Who is close to Jacqueline. Cynthia eventually remarried a man named David Douala. David adopted his step daughter Jacqueline six months after he married Cynthia. Cynthia and David also had a son together Jacqueline's half brother named David Junior or as they call him Davey. On the morning of September tenth, Nineteen eighty-eight David in Devi woke early. They made sure to stay quiet and not wait the rest of the family including David's mother who lived in the basement. However at seven fifteen, a M David discovered the front door to their house was partially open. At first he thought that maybe his mother had come home earlier and left the door open. Her car wasn't in the driveway, so he assumed that she left again while leaving the door open. Two hours leader Cynthia when to Jacqueline's room to wake her. How ever Jacqueline was not in her room? The initially assumed that she was out playing with friends, and after searching the Home David and his son went out to search for Jacqueline, but they could find no trace of her. When Cynthia went to Jacqueline's room, she discovered that Jacqueline's comforter was also missing, which was unusual as Jacqueline, would not have taken her comforter to go outside with her. Especially, you know she's going to play with her friends. I'm trying so hard not to say anything I'm just listening very intently. That's okay. I mean if you have something to say or comment. That's relevant to the story. You I'm basically just enthralled and slightly terrified already so I'm like breathless waiting. Okay? When Cynthia walk down her driveway to go to a neighbor's house. She noticed that the basement window had been broken. It appeared an intruder had used it to gain entrance to the house and I want to say. That? This story has a lot of resemblance to Jon Benet Story. You'll see a lot of comparisons but Jon Benet happened. I think ten years later than this. Okay, all right I'm in it all right Oh God. It appeared intruder had used the basement window to gain entrance into the house within hours, the police and the FBI. We're at the wallaby household waiting for a ransom demand. However, no call came search. Parties were organized Jacqueline was nowhere to be found. Cynthia and David named Jacqueline's natural father Jimmy as a likely suspect. Years earlier they said Jimmy had broken into the home of Cynthia's parents in an unsuccessful to snatch jacqueline away after bitter custody battle. But. unbeknownst to the wallabies Jimmy guests had been in prison in Florida for almost two years on May twenty, third, nineteen, Eighty, eight, three, and a half months before Jacqueline's disappearance, he was sentenced to seven years in prison for two counts of sexual battery, threatening with a deadly weapon and one count of attempted sexual battery. Guests at the incident involved a woman he had met at a bar. In September nineteen eighty-eight guests said he learned from an FBI agent that Jacqueline had disappeared. I cried for two or three days in the prison chapel. He said officials of the medium security prison put him in closed custody for four months out of apparent concern, he might try to escape. Guests said he'd been looking forward to the day when Jacqueline would be old enough to visit him in Florida. She was my child. Guests said that was the only thing I thought I did right in my life. Back, in mid Lowthian, police found no sign of forced entry into the duality home, and said Jacqueline who is only four feet tall couldn't have opened the front door herself because of an inside bolt that was on the door that was above her reach. The wallabies contended that an intruder entered through a broken basement window. Investigators believe that the basement window was broken from the inside of the House. She make it look like an intruder was responsible. There is more glass found on the ground outside than inside the basement. A police investigation also found that dust on the inside windowsill was undisturbed. David's mother, who lived in the house and Wallaby told the police that numerous objects on the floor directly below the window had also not been disturbed either. From the beginning, the investigation into Jacqueline's disappearance was two pronged while they pursued the possibility of kidnapping. They began a detailed questioning both Cynthia and David. The questions involved what the wallabies did the morning of Jacqueline's disappearance. Cynthia Wallaby made inconsistent statements when questioned about how she discovered that Jacqueline was missing. On September tenth she told the police she discovered Jacqueline missing at nine forty am later. She said that her husband was out searching for Jacqueline when she awoke at nine thirty am. Cynthia wallabies sister-in-law however told please Cynthia had called her September tenth to cancel ceramics class and told her she was about to awake the children. There is no time on that call but telephone early. Cynthia didn't give a time, but telephone records showed that the call took place at nine forty six. Am what the fuck and I can see inconsistencies because when you wake up in the morning and you're about to go about your daily routine. You're not necessarily looking at the clock to be like okay. This is the exact time I woke up. And this is the exact time I started making breakfast, and this is when I did this. And, it's not until something like this happens. Where you just your child is missing. I can see how you would get confused and you're. You're stressed and your resolution. You'RE GONNA. Make mistakes you're human. Oh, for sure and you're panicking and I mean I don't even know what's going on most days until like eleven am I like working at eight thirty in the morning, so I can't even imagine being under stress of your child going this thing. Exactly so. you know I, mean they have to pay attention to everything the police but. There's inconsistencies like this I don't think it's extremely unusual. Yeah, so on September. Eleventh the day after Jacqueline's disappearance, David agreed to take a polygraph exam at FBI headquarters in Chicago. An agent told David that he had passed the exam. Three days past with no new leads David was asked to take another polygraph. The results of this test were inconclusive with the examiner claiming that David was uncooperative. David however claimed that the examiner told him to answer. Yes, to every question including the question. Did you kill your daughter to which David said? He refused to respond with a yes, and this was because he was told by the polygraph examiner that they wanted to calibrate the machine to see if it was working, so they're basically like just lie. Say say the opposite answer to the truth for all these questions. Yeah, we're calibrate and the old. Yeah like a smart move on his part not to answer F- I agree I think it was a smart move i. don't know if this is something that they I'm assuming maybe they do this with like. What is your name? What is your address? Obvious questions, but telling you to say yes to. You killed your daughter and think that's like somehow not going to be turned against him later like. Yeah. I would have done the same thing. If I was him I would not have said yes to that. So. After the second polygraph David was interrogated for five hours before an officer interrupted and told him that Jacqueline's body was found. David believe that the police officers were lying in order to get him to confess however, when he came home to find Cynthia crying. He knew that the news was true. On September, fourteenth, nineteen, eighty eight. Jacqueline's body was discovered in a vacant field amongst weeds and brush and Blue Island Illinois. Found at the scene was jacqueline's comforter that her mom reported missing from her room and her nightgown along with rope. That was around Jacqueline's neck. Pubic cures were found on the bedspread that covered jacqueline spotty, and under were found near the body. An autopsy was unable to determine when Jacqueline was murdered, but it was determined that her death was attributed to strangulation. On September seventeenth. She was laid to rest. The investigation now involved the state, please the mid Lowthian please the Blue Island police. It doesn't say that the FBI were still involved, but they were possibly still involved. In the case, there are always involves still for two months. The police gathered up and built a case against the wallabies so two days after Jacqueline's body was found, police canvassed residents of the apartments behind which Jacqueline's body was discovered among those interviewed was Everett man who had aspired to be a police officer, but had been rejected because he suffered from bipolar disorder. Men claimed that at about two am on September tenth. He had seen someone with a quote. Large Street knows. Pulling away from what he later learned was the location of the body. He said he could not tell whether the person was a man or a woman, but thought that he or she was Caucasian, he described. The car is dark, colored, Dark Blue Navy blue, black or dark brown. He wasn't really sure. Ever, it was at least seventy five yards away from the car, and it was a dark moonlit night. So all right I'M GONNA. Come back to this in just a second I have to read this this next part, but later the mid Lowthian police station man was shown an array of photographs of possible suspects, and asked which no structure most resembled the one he had seen. Number four men said which happened to be a photo of David Duality, however, the photo spread that ever it was shown were frontal photographs. Ever. It said he saw the person from a side view. David's photograph was also larger than the four other photographs. Okay, so this was. Let's see two days after. The body was found. So I know. The police want to catch. Whoever murdered this poor child is soon as they can. Because, residents of the community are going to be freaking out However this just seems so planned by the police to have a larger photograph of David, Wallaby and also if man couldn't even determine whether or not, he saw a man versus a woman. How did they expect him to accurately pick out? One person from a lineup and say yes. This is the person that I saw right with a straight on view with us right on view even though he only saw this. From the side so luckily someone realized that this identification of David Wallaby. Was You know? Not not the. Third something off about it, we'll say. Not all not all the analytics would add up. Exactly doesn't add up at all. Robert Clifford the head of the south suburban prosecutions for the Cook County State's Attorney's office with skeptical of Man's identification as he should be, he enlisted Paul grieves the Blue Island, police chief to join him in an experiment. It was a reenactment of man's identification of a man with a big nose from seventy five yards away. They concluded that it was impossible to see a new structure from that distance, especially in the dark on a moonlit night, totally also in subsequent interviews. Man's description of the car changed I. It had been merely dark-colored. Bannon became mid sized. Then he described it as the latest seventies version of the Chevy Malibu finally, a nineteen seventy nine Chevy. Malibu needless to say the reliability of this witness would come under intense scrutiny. Shelly Chevy Malibu from the late seventies was not a small car like a boat. I will take your word on that. Say Anything is what Lloyd doppler drives Oh. Yeah Okay Yeah Oh. Yeah, it was a boat, but most cars back then of were boats. They were either like really big or really tiny 'cause then yeah, when they remade them not too long after they yeah pro down to size, but still like that would have I feel like I would have had a better idea of the color. At least the car shut well. Whatever I'm GonNa stop guessing and let you keep telling the story, but this is crazy. We'll Cynthia wallaby did own in one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty Chevy Malibu. However, it was light blue in color, not dark, but the police surmise that it might have somehow appeared dark. Because you know it was a very dark night that night. was forensically examined, but there is no evidence that a body had been transported in her car, okay. To other eyewitnesses claimed that they had seen Cynthia's car near the area where Jacqueline's body was found. However, the sightings were discredited as well because it was confirmed that Cynthia's car was in front of the duality home at the time of the sightings. Another issue involved the basement window. Forensic analysis was done on the window to determine if it had been broken from the inside or the outside of the home. The report concluded that the window had actually been broken from the outside. Apparently, perhaps maybe to minimize noise, whoever broke the glass, just punctured it, and then removed several large pieces of the glass, placing them on the ground. But unfortunately this finding was discovered a little too late. Based solely will base mostly on Everett. Man's purported identification of David. And the assumption that the basement window had been broken into from the inside Patrick, O'Brien the head of the offices Felony Trial Division obtain a grand jury indictment for both David and Cynthia on November twenty, second, nineteen, eighty-eight, charging both of them with murder of their daughter and adopted daughter in concealing a homicide. David and Cynthia Wallaby were arrested immediately and charged with Jacqueline's murder. Cynthia was also now two months pregnant. Oh my God! The couple both insisted that they were innocent. WHAT THE FUCK! In April Nineteen Ninety David. Cynthia Wallaby went on trial for Jacqueline's murder. The prosecution had built its case mainly on circumstance evidence. So now, let's talk about the trial and the case against the wallabies. Prosecution questioned whether it's possible for someone to enter the House without disturbing the items below the basement window. There were several items including a nightstand towel rack. TV tray and makeup trae all located beneath the basement window that was broken into. What were they using that area for well? His mother David's mother lived in the basement. I'll get to it in a second, but you can actually see video of the basement the way it was set up. Just put a pin in that. Yet that like. Yeah No, it was. It was Beasley set up to be his mountains bedroom, so none of those items were disturbed to prove this was possible. David shot a video showing in neighbor, entering through the basement window. The neighbor was able to wedge his leg on the wall and enter without disturbing anything. You can watch video in an old episode of unsolved mysteries, which we'll talk more about unsolved mysteries later, but yeah I found this on Youtube, and yeah. His neighbor was able to slide right in put his foot on the wall, and push himself off, and just Kinda like hop down over all things that were set up under the window, so it was was possible. That's why you shouldn't have. So you shouldn't have a basement or basement window. Who's you should basically just live in a fortress that's like fifty feet off the ground, or there's only one door in an hour, preferably a moat with electric bills and piranhas around the entire structure. ABSOLUTELY LAVA And no stairs or elevators into the normal unit. Just you get up with the police system in a bucket. That's how it works anyway. Nightmare for bringing groceries up, but worth it your safety is worth it anyway. Let's get I want to hear about this jury thing. This is not looking. Good Jurors rejected the evidence by the defense that an intruder broke into the home and kidnapped and killed seven-year-old Jacqueline. A slender built jer the only one on the panel who was able to climb through the narrow fourteen by twenty eight Inch Window That The defense contends a kidnapper entered helped. Convince the jury that no one entered the house the night jacqueline disappeared. The only way the juror could maneuver through the window was feet first and on his stomach. He couldn't get through the opening without removing any dust on the windowsill. Police testified defining an even layer of dust on the sill. And when the wiry juror dropped five feet down to the floor as an intruder to the Wallaby home, what a pad to have done! He knocked over a flimsy metal rack under the window. We gave it a nice dent. One of the juror setup the rack. But please had found nothing disturbed inside the duality basement. Prosecutors contend evidence shows. No intruders entered the home the of Jacqueline's death. The wallabies maintain that they did lock both their front and back doors before going to bed that night. And the next morning, David Wallaby. Contends that the front door was open. Other evidence from the prosecution included a blood-stained pillow found in Jacqueline's bedroom and had here's similar to Jacqueline's found in the trunk of her parents, car. The defense attorney said the wallabies would give authorities, hair and blood samples. Prosecutors also asked for saliva samples, however, the blood on the pillow and the hairs could not be confirmed as coming from Jacqueline here's where things get a little more dark, and here's where things look even worse for Cynthia n David Wallaby. Jacqueline's brother Davy claimed that Jacqueline got spanked a lot by their parents. Prosecutors said that DV saw his mother on past occasions. His sister about the shoulders with a broom, belt or rope. Cynthia wallabies attorney Lawrence. Hyman argued that she spanked her daughter. It wasn't relevant to a murder charge. He also noted that Jacqueline's brother had made the allegations after he had been taken from his parents and constantly questioned by psychologists in the presence of police and prosecutors during a five day. Stay at Mount Sinai Hospital. So who knows what really went on, you know. He was taken away from his parents his home. His sister was just murdered. Not sure if that was information that was disclosed him as he was quite young at the time, he was being questioned by psychologists who who are total strangers to him. There is please surrounding him. I mean. Can you even imagine staying in a hospital with all this going on not being in your house or being with your family? And I mean some of the things he might said definitely could have been made up, or they could have been like putting words into his mouth to get him to say things that weren't true. Who knows right and we know that like people like from war or even confessions with cops like if you're sitting there being yelled at for so many hours and told that you did something eventually. You're going to want to just say you did it to get out of there. Really if all my God. That's awful. Another argument from the prosecution was that David Di, wallabies, mother, and and undisclosed neighbor identified. The rope found curled around Jacqueline's neck. As the same one, they had seen David Junior playing with numerous times, which came from the wallabies garage boy. There is also evidence of violence in the wallabies house. Photos of the interior of the House revealed signs of quote great violence. Fish marks through hollow core doors and drywall jumped out at you in the photos. The duality is never testified during the trial. Before closing arguments, the judge address both legal teams without the jury present. He decided that the case against David. Wallaby would continue as scheduled. However. He felt that there was insufficient evidence for Cynthia's case to be put to the jury. Cynthia had been acquitted of the murder by the judge, although the only substantial difference in the evidence against her, and that of her husband David was was the purported identification of him by average man, which is. Shoddy evidence at best right. Yeah, after the trial against David Wallaby, the jury deliberated for nearly fourteen hours over three days. They had waited through twelve days of testimony and more than two hundred exhibits before finding David, Doi- be guilty of first degree murder. The evidence of the fist marks on the doors, and the walls, and the Wallaby House and also telephone records, suggesting a quick cover up played a major role in convincing the jury of David's guilt, according to the jury forewoman Phyllis Halverson. According to Halverson, the jury took only one vote in finding Wallaby, guilty of killing his young adopted daughter. WHOA I. There are people who feel we brought in the wrong decision. Halverson, said God help us if we did, but we did everything we possibly could to find this man innocent and we could not. Prosecutors had never pointed out the jurors. The damage done to the house, but the inference that the jury apparently drew from those photographs was that only a hot headed father could have done that kind of damage and a father with the kind of temper like that, it could result in killing. On May Third Nineteen Ninety. David was sentenced to forty five years in prison forty years for murder and five years for concealing a homicide. Had the jury been allowed to decide on Cynthia. Douala's involvement in the killing Halverson, said I think we would have probably convicted her of concealment, but I don't know if we would have convicted are of her one. Halverson said she had found Cynthia. Frequent crying during the trial unconvincing. Her crying was at all the right moment she said. Cynthia and friends of the family created a grassroots movement in an attempt to get David released. The moving caught the attention of legal analyst. David protests. In several articles. He criticized the conviction of David Wallaby. In July nineteen, ninety, the Chicago Tribune published a two part series by protest. Based on the interviews with the wallabies. As, a result, one of the trial jurors contacted protests telling him that she regretted the verdict. Caved in due to pressure from other jurors God. Protests took the story to Paul Hogan an investigative reporter for W M Ache Q. TV Chicago's NBC owned and operated channel which gave the story major play. I probably spent hours watching that as a kid. In. The months ahead protested Hogan worked together on other investigative stories about the case they discovered the undisclosed experiment that had led clifford ingredients to conclude that it was impossible to see a no structure from seventy five yards away, and it was apparently not brought up at all in the trial that there was this experiment which would have been impossible to see that, so I'm not sure. If, that was a fault of the the defense or maybe the judge didn't allow that evidence. I'm not sure why it was not included in the trial at least I. Don't think it was. It seems from other things that I've read that I'm going into now. It seems like it was not discuss at all during the trial. Hogan also broadcast an interview with man who noted that O'Brien. The lead prosecutor had a news more prominent than David's. If O'Brien's photo had been in the array, he was shown man proclaimed on camera that he would have identified O'Brien instead of David Wallaby. However there would be no retrial on October Thirtieth Nineteen ninety-one the Illinois Appellate Court unanimously reversed David's conviction without the possibility of a retrial, holding that Judge Neville had aired not directing a verdict in David's case as he had done with Cynthia. David Wallaby was released from prison on November Thirteenth Nineteen ninety-one after spending five hundred eighty three days behind bars counting twenty four days in jail after his nineteen eighty-eight I. However, some investigators are still convinced that David he is responsible for Jacqueline's murder. Nine months later after he was released from prison, NBC's unsolved mysteries broadcast a segment on the case which resulted in a tip on an earlier suspect in the case, which many comes back to your question and brings us to other possible suspects. The I suspect being Jacqueline's uncle. Timothy gas the brother of Jacqueline's biological father. Timothy guests was a paranoid schizophrenic and had provided a false alibi for the night of. The disappearance guess had told police and the FBI that he had spent the entire night an all night restaurant in south suburban Harvey. To waitresses had corroborated the by at the time, but they told protests and Hogan that in fact, guests had been there only briefly around nine thirty PM. They said they had lied because they believed that duality guilty and they did not to get involved. Oh my God which. They pretty much got themselves involved and led to. I mean. I'll tell you who I think. Did it after we cover all all our? Options, but yeah, they helped convict a man. Of murder whether he's guilty or not. You know no one knows for sure one hundred percent sure I don't think he is. But. They definitely got involved. By by lying. It was just really inconvenient for them, so they were like well. We're just GONNA. Tell you what you want to hear, so you're not above us. We can go back to doing our thing Oh my God. That's infuriating and horrifying. Yeah, and it's really nice for them to make judgments judgments on the parents without knowing all the evidence, that was involved and decides. They were going to lie because they thought the parents were guilty like how fucked up is that? Several customers who had been out the restaurant who had never been questioned by the police also said that gas had not been there. Do in addition protest Hogan learned that another waitress at the restaurant Margaret Murphy lived in the apartment complex wherever man lived where Jacqueline's body was found, and that gas had often driven her home. Oh, Murphy told Hogan that she had never been questioned by police, but before the wallaby trial prosecutors had instructed her not to talk to the defense lawyers, only God, and yeah, so it sounds lake between the allies who lied between the police questioning everyone that they could have or should have been questioning by that. Photograph that they presented of David dwelling being much larger than the other photographs in that lineup. Also the prosecution I mean they were looking to convict the parents. Whether or not they had enough evidence, or they just needed to create evidence or whatever like in the Jon, Benet Ramsey case. There's just a lot of shit that was fucked up by lots of different pupil, so but like this is like blatant well, it happens a lot and yeah right now. I, know I. Don't know why. I'm like what, but still it's fucked up to hear about it. On December, seventeenth, Nineteen ninety-two protests, and a colleague conducted a taped with guests who spoke freely about his mental illness. He said he had begun hearing voices when he was a young child, and he had been in and out of mental institutions, and suffered repeated blackouts, and had taken various drugs, legal and illegal for much of his life. Since Age sixteen guests said he had been guided by a spirit who quote gives me psychic powers powers that enabled him to precisely describe the layout and interior of the be home where he had never been when asked how to get to Jacqueline's room, he said I walked past Davies. Room, quickly adding that was the spirit talking not me I didn't say nothing. I just released information. So guests adamantly insisted that he had been at the Harvey restaurant the entire night that Jacqueline disappeared when asked by customers and waitresses would say. He explained quote. Maybe I was invisible that day. The spirit can help me do that I. was there physically, but no one can notice me. Oh, man Oh God. On January fourth, nine, hundred, ninety, three, a spokesman for the Cook County State's Attorney's office announced that the investigation into Jacqueline's murder had been reopened, but despite mounting questions, guests never faced any charges, and he died in two, thousand and two. Sir well I'm not really sure what actually happened. There I mean I. personally think he was the one that murdered Jacqueline. My job is like open right now literally. I don't know if they ever did any DNA evidence on him to see. If any of the hairs they found on the comforter, matched up to him or the blood that was found on her on her bedspread because. They said that the bloodstain, not the the best bread, but the pillow. They had a blood-stained pillow that was in her room. I'm picturing that. Maybe if he broke the window that night oh. Yeah, could've possibly cut himself. When he went to take jacqueline from her bed, maybe he got some blood on the pillow. Nothing that I read about them ever testing that to see if the blood matched him or the hair that they found matched his. You know you've care that was found at the scene of the crime. Obviously, that did not belong to Jacqueline. which up did you find anything about? Is that true that he had never actually been in his brother's home or was that? Yeah, that's what I heard. I read. No, it's not his brother's home. His brother they had gotten divorced, his brother had moved to Florida. This was his his ex sister in laws and her new husband's home. Yeah, I, I know what you meant though. Yeah. According to what I read. He was never in the dwell home, but somehow he was able to tell the police the exact layout of their house. How I am year a spirit, or maybe you murdered Jacqueline to Wallaby and that's how you knew. Well. There's one other suspect Okay Hernandez. He is a convicted sex offender who committed a similar abduction almost exactly one year to the day after Jacqueline's murderer. Perry who lived in Blue Island which is the town where Jacqueline's body was found. Abducted his seven year old neighbor from her bed at night while her parents, four brothers and sisters were all sleeping, so there were six other people in the house. Her twin brother is sleeping in another bed, only three feet away. Perry carried her in her nightgown mile away from their home before raping her under a railroad bridge. By the Kelly met SAG canal. The wallabies always contended that an intruder perhaps Hernandez, broken into their mid Lowthian home kept Jacqueline and killed her. The prosecution hammered at differences between the two incidents, but the defense stressed main point that a young child can be snatched from their home in the middle of the night. Right under their parents noses I mean clearly. Hernandez girlfriend also said that Hernandez occasionally stayed in her apartment where she lives in mid Lowthian about five blocks away from the duality home. Hernandez steadfastly denied any involvement in the wallaby killing, and even though there is a lot of similarities between Jacqueline's case and the kidnapping of Hernandez's neighbor, evidence found, Jacqueline's body did not match him. Police ruled out Hernandez as suspect. In October Nineteen Ninety Hernandez was sentenced to forty five years in prison by Markham courthouse judge who called the crime? Appearance Worst Nightmare. This is for the abduction of his his neighbor in sentencing associate judge John. Was a loose candy also tacked on thirty five years for four other crimes, including the attempted rape and beating of a woman passenger on a Matra train station platform so hopefully he is still in prison today, because what a fucking horrible piece of shit and he should not be walking the streets. So, where do things stand as a today? After David and Cynthia were both acquitted. No one else has ever been charged. To me I Kinda, WanNa know what was done about Jacqueline's. Uncle, who has passed away I want know like. How much did they really investigate? DID THEY DO DNA? Testing and I wonder if that evidence even still. Because stuff does tend to like quote. Get lost or go missing over time. You know 'cause technology so much better now. I would be totally interested. If there's any way they could read cottam random hair's end up in her bed pillow, like what the fuck or pubic hairs in her underwear I mean yeah I. Don't know if any of that was ever tested. He passed away in two thousand two, so if it was him. I mean he's gone, but yes, it would still be nice to have answers and hopefully. David, Cynthia pressed the police to look into that further I'm hoping they at least received a satisfied answer. Even though maybe we don't have anything. Maybe it was never released to the public. Hopefully, they got a little bit of closure about whether or not it was him. I guess if it wasn't someone out. There still could be at large, but the Wallaby case files are rarely touched at the mid Lowthian. Police headquarters and Jacqueline's murder is officially labeled as unsolved. please. Say there hasn't been any new leads in years, and even if new evidence were to surface further implicating Cynthia and David, they could not be tried under the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution. David and Cynthia Diwali are still searching for Jacqueline's real killer, and they now live forty miles away from where the murder happened and have since changed their last name Oh. My God in Nineteen, Ninety six CBS actually aired a two part made for TV movie about this case, which you can also find on Youtube I watched the first part and It was fine I mean it was literally kind of like reading through all the newspaper reports I read it was. Pretty much verbatim everything that I've found in this research. I didn't feel like I needed to watch the second half of it. But if you're interested, it is out there and it stars Shannen Doherty and Kevin. Dillon S Cynthia David Wallaby is called gone in the night, and it's based on the book by the same title Wow. Jacqueline would have been thirty nine years old this May. All right, so here is a really weird personal connection that I have to this case. As I stated I. Remember hearing about this case when it happened, I was basically around the same age as Jacqueline when it happened and I remember seeing it on the news a lot from basically nineteen eight to about nineteen ninety-one. When David. was released from prison, and even beyond then, and I always remembered thinking how scary it was that a child could be taken away from their home in the middle of the night while they're sleeping and murdered. At. This point I was already watching horror movies. I'd see. The shadow man in my room when I was little, which we've talked about in past episode so now on top of all that I had to worry about murderers breaking into my house in the middle of the night. And I never forgot the story just. Stuck with me and I. Never Forgot what Jacqueline looked like. She was a beautiful little girl with dark hair. Big Blue Eyes freckles Thurs one photograph that they always show it in the news in newspapers, and like that image just stuck with me. As I said, I thought about this case often in my life and when I moved to mid Lowthian where she lived. To live with my then boyfriend I was like Oh. Shit like a wild. This is the town were Jacqueline Wallaby grew up in. This is where you know. She was abducted from and then the town where they found her body Blue Island actually spent tons of time. There I actually dated a guy from Blue Island and had a bunch of friends there so I like always hung out and that area is well. But when I was living in mid Lowthian I, never thought to Google where she lived like that never came across my mind to do that or that I would even find that information. When I started doing research for this case, though last week I googled, were her house was at not knowing if I would actually find out where her address was, but you can find it online and I. Almost had an anxiety attack when I saw that not only did I live on the same street as her, but her house was only four houses down from where I lived for basically two years, and I had no. IDEA. Mind you the House that I lived in. I've also talked about this on the show before as well. This is the house where the man who lived there. Before my boyfriend bought the house diner, look living room and haunted the fuck out of the place until my face was like stop. Please Stop I. can't take this anymore and I always felt when I was there that someone was watching me in that house even when I was home alone i. mean you can hear all these stories on previous episode that we did. It was episode seventeen of our podcast. Lot of good stories there. If you want to check that out, but besides that that area is just not the safest place to live. It's not really the best area. There's actually a NI-. When our neighbor chased man of his yard that was trying to break into his house, and the man jumped over the fence and ran through our yard, only a yeah, so on top of all like the weird stories that. That happened while I lived in that house, and all like the ghost stories that I heard about before I moved into the house. If you told me that Jacqueline de wallabies house like the little girl who got kidnapped and murdered that you are obsessed with that was obsessed with most of my life lived Bazeley four houses down for me I. Think I just would like moved the faulk out of that house asap. But I literally walked or drove past the Wallaby House hundreds of times while they're without even knowing it. Wow, because it's sunny out right now I feel safe. Saying that I'd be like oh I'd probably try. Like may contact. As maybe she wanted help but calm like eleven thirty tonight. I'M GONNA. Be Like I really regret even thinking that because I would have been terrified to. But Holy Shit that's crazy, and then also on top of finding out that I live four houses down from her. I was texting with my Galina who has also been on our show before when we did our episode about Indigo Children. Episode, number, four, if you WANNA, listen to that episode, but I was texting her that we're going to be doing this episode and that I was going to be talking about Jack Linda Wallaby and I asked her. She remembered that case growing up, because she actually grew up in blue islands and she was like Oh. Yeah, my Dad's side of the family is related to the Wallaby Oh my God and I was like what the fuck I mean I know it's not something that would just come up during a casual conversation like. The coincidences regarding this case now that I did the research into. It are kind of strange. That's totally strange. I don't know man I feel like there's this weird energy. That you seem to pick up on and like then we're gravitating towards people that were somewhat related. Maybe I don't know that is CR-. Oh, my God! This is crazy. Yeah, I! Don't know where the synchronicity is are leading me but I honestly I really think her. Her uncle did it. So. I don't think I'm supposed to like. Find her killer or anything like that right? He's well since passed, but but you're telling our story and it's getting out to more people. Maybe that's bath. What needs to happen or at least just to honor her memory, but the own? My Gosh, that is just. I cannot believe that you like were in such close circles and didn't know until I just recently. You must a freaked the fuck out. Yes, she did. She told me you. You told me a little bit about it, but then you're like. No, no, no I'M GONNA. Tell you when we do the show so I've been on like dying to hear about that as crazy as we mentioned as I mentioned in my story there was an episode of unsolved mysteries that features the dwell Abe's, but mindy and I have been watching the new unsolved mysteries. Oh my God and. yeah, it's on Netflix now. In case you did not know it originally aired from eighty seven to two, thousand two, and then again from two thousand, eight, two, thousand ten Robert Stack, hosted the original series from eighty, seven two. Oh two, and then he passed away in three. Recipes Robert Stack Oh. Yes, Oh, my God! He made that show He. Did, he totally did yeah. Then Dennis Farina hosted in two thousand, eight to two, thousand ten, which I don't think I ever watched the episodes where he hosted the. Just going to say the same thing I never dead. I kinda give up on it just because the music and then Robert Stacks voice just set the tone and I was terrified like from the opening. Like note of the theme. Song nobody can tell yeah. I know. I was asking my mom too I was like. Have you been watching the new unsolved mysteries, not flicks, and she was like I never watched the old one, and I was like really I'm like so did I watched that by myself, which just seemed odd because i? Always I watched it with her, but yeah I was just watching by myself, 'cause. I was obsessed with that show. It scared the fuck out of me. That doesn't seem odd to me. You might have come over to my house at one point because I, do we? I watched it with my parents I know, but they would always be like. Are you too scared and be like? No, but then that theme song would just like hotline nightmares. And it was awesome. The new season is on Netflix. It's ten episodes, but only six are available right now. of course many nine binge, the first six episodes and I can't wait for the next four to come out. I think the first episode is my favorite. We're not going to give away any spoilers right here, but the first episode sucked me in immediately. Super Creepy, I couldn't stop thinking about the case itself because it was just like a. what the fuck like how? How did any of this happen? Check it out if you haven't seen it. Yeah, they I really think they've done a good job. Bringing it back Sharon had commented because we have been texting all week about it that there really isn't a host. Necessarily which I think was a good choice. I will say that just because Robert Stack is so iconic, but they they've done a great job for with it and I was at the second episode sharing that I was like what the fuck. I texted you like their cases. The cases they picked everything it. Yeah, it is a doozy. It is really engrossing and terrifying. Whoever made the decision to just not have host? Because I know there's a lot of people who are talking. About it I was on them when it was first announced, and if you haven't watched the new season yet, because you're a huge fan of the original, and you're just prepared to hate the new season. It's actually really good. And I think the like as Mindy, said the decision not to have a host because you cannot replace Robert Stack his voice him walking out of the shadows, wearing that trenchcoat. Music. It's it's so conic that no matter how good the replacement may have been. You know that people there would have been backlash, so the best was for. They're just not to be a host or a narrator at all, but the people involved in the stories. Are the ones telling the story and it's really well done like it's really. Like directed and curated and yeah. I Yeah I really think they did a good job. They retain the original shit that used to scare the crap out of me from the original show, even when nothing was happening, but like have modernized it and they've done a great job, so yeah I wouldn't be afraid to watch it if you're a fan of the old show. Each episode is basically set up like a mini documentary so. The original show you would have multiple stories over like a one. You know one hour actually with commercials like forty five minutes. So this is just like one one hour episode. Just one story, so yeah, the way they set it up. It is like little mini documentaries and yet the music's basically the same. I was Kinda worried about that? Because I was like oh either. They're going to replace the music which if it's going to be unsolved mysteries, you have to have their original music, but I was like Oh. What if they like monitoring? Is it too much where it's like this horrible remakes? Yea Right or like green days playing it now or something I don't know why Green Bay came to mind, but. Yeah I. Love the. They kept the theme, but they also did a great job with that, too, and I think it might freak me out more than the original to be perfectly honest. It's just cords and those notes that I'm like. Oh! In. The reenactments are also kind of like oddly similar to the original. The original didn't have any frills. It wasn't overly dramatized, and it's kind of set up the same exact way, and then you know they'll cut to like a disturbing shot of an empty field, or like a creek or something that just like gives you chills. And then you know, obviously it's interspersed with interviews from the actual people involved in the cases and photos and home movies, and whatever which I really liked that we see more of the actual people and more of like the original imagery. Because I I will never forget that episode from the original series about the father who built the bunk beds for his kids and La-, would he? He use was supposedly like they thought it might have been haunted, and the kids sleeping in the bunk beds every night with Lake see a witch behind their bedroom door, and because it was like one of their like supernatural episodes that they would do every once in a while an all I know is it scared the living shit out of me, but it was all reenactment. And I actually found these people talking about their real stories to be wake rapier and scarier, because it's like the real people. Yeah, it's. It's good I I agree. Check it out. Missiles the one you of story. I think every other story was A. Missing Person Case or a murder case and there was even one episode that was all in French with subtitles, so I kind of liked that there including international mysteries. Yes I was like okay. They're really putting thought into this I like it and that's a good story, too, so we both recommend it. Check it out if you were skeptical. I think you'll like it even if you're a fan of the original like we were so. All right well I think that's going to do it for this week. if you have any ghost stories, scary stories ufo's stories adoption stories that you wanNA share with us please write to us. You can email us at horse. Talk horror at gmail.com. If you are able to please subscribe to our Patriae on. You can have early access to episodes here. 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Episode 172: Of Muelas and Spicy Nuggets

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Episode 172: Of Muelas and Spicy Nuggets

"Hi. This is five eighty, five this bobby lethal. And we are Latinos who launch the podcast where we talk about important things like I was casinos video. Hello. Could show the show home. How's it going? It's going good I am in transition almost to California. Moving my mom calls me Callsas Gypsies 'cause we're in. Would just was wrestling with this new normal by doing everything online for school. How are you? Oh, well, you know just living my best life here in Las Vegas turn onto. Mel. You know trying to stay alive during a pandemic. SORT. Then you know I thought that because of the. Pandemic because of the quarantine, a my summer, I call them my summertime blues you know summertime sadness like. Our next Queen Lana del Rey. Things about I thought it wouldn't happen but it set in anytime. It gets so because like I've mentioned before the weather in Vegas is so hot that like summer kind of our winter here because we have to stay inside, you know it's just like miserable to do anything. So. But it's been great because I have a studio here at the jewel in Las Vegas J.. H. L.. And it's nice and air conditioned, and so I try to stay daylight hours here and then. Go out for walks and you know social distant backyard may be hangs once in a while with people but. Let's basically it. I'm just in my studio in my house back and forth. I just made a big low rider been yet the for the first time with a real car. what's I know Bitch listen to this I'm not gonNA say any name because I don't know if there's been a press release or anything yet but. Keep. An Eye out East Coast Philadelphia Area I think I said too much already. But there's this going to be this like pop up like public art project that's going to happen soon and I think by the time this comes out, it'll be it'll be you'll you can find it on my instagram page and all that but I was supposed to fly out there this month and work with a bunch of people and mechanics and low rider people and like actually been yet the a car because I usually make them from from scratch. You know there's this but this time I, said, you know I don't I don't really feel comfortable flying right now and It's just going to have to be like me and a couple people instead of a big thing. So I thought the project was going to be canceled but the organization that I'm working with worked really hard to make possible for the project to still happen. So guess what me, they bought me a car here in Las. Vegas. Old Car. It was so weird because. Okay. So I this is how it happened. Let me give you. Let me give you a little insect because I. Know You want these boring details, I do the curator. Sent me bless her heart. She sent me a a list of like ten cars. She's like, okay. Based on your address. We found the cars closest to you that we can afford to buy you that are like older than nine hundred, ninety s cars because I'm like I want old eighties, seventies sixties but once you get past the eighties, it gets kind of expensive because they're like classic cars. and. So on the list, one of the first cars on the list was in nineteen eighty, four thunderbird Alana which was. My MOM's first car. It was the first Kharlamov saved her money and and bought herself in the United States and when I I was like I almost got emotional cause I when I was little, I remember that car was the car that I would always my mom would always driving around in as a single mom I, spend a lot of time in the car waiting for her for you know running errands all that shape. 'cause you know back in the day they just left us in the car. Okay. You kids nowadays all the Gen xeres. Don't even know what it is to breathe. Okay. Got Don't even know what it is to be in a greenhouse car. Three, hours while your mom was shop shop in up at Ross? Okay. Way Way detail questions. Wasn't gonNA. Go ahead. Okay. So okay. So they bought the car and they it was it was working they drove it to my friend Dan dancehalls shoutout to Dan the man Hernandez. He is a lifesaver I've been. He has a huge garage. So we've been working in his garage the last two weeks making this happen and. We finished it early a few days ago, and now we're just waiting on them to pick up the car. So they're gonNA, pick up this being at the car, put it in a truck like in a in a in a semi, and then drive it to Philly so that in a few weeks they will install it as public art and the design of the low rider is all my mom's design because I'm like this is too perfect. So I talked to my mom and we wanted to she wanted she wanted something to represent Guatemala and you know my mom's very like. She's really proud and she like she also loves like really pretty. She has a lot of flowers and a lot of birds like decorations in her house. Yeah, and so I'm like. Well, let's go with a bird because I've already done a low rider with a lot of flowers couldn't get side except lament is. So the hood has a big get ceylon it like with its wings open and then the tails. This is where the this is where I this is. This is my part of the design that tale actually goes. Past the hood, and then like goes the design follows up through the roof of the car on the back kind of like a Mustang Stripe you know what I mean. It's feather like the two long feathers that I could sell has that go all the way back and they slowly kind of separate as they go back into like a shape. And then so it could silent it's like mating season the mail gets out of. It also has like two other auxiliary long feathers on the side that are a little bit shorter, and so those stripes go down the side of the car. And then so it's white on the top just like the flag the Guatemalan flag why on the top. And then blue on the side like like a nice sky blue. Side and my mom wanted everything chrome she's like everything silver I well. WAIROA. All for eggs. So. But. Yeah. So that's is totally makes sense 'cause like I WANNA get historical here but the kids feathers like for the ethics irrep scented Donnelly, which is the light of God. So like people -solutely so like the reflection of the krone and. Side I. Like that I. Like that Mesoamerican. Touch of your mother. That's nice. Yeah. That's what that's actually exactly what my mom said. That's crazy. A yeah. Yeah. So I'm happy that that's done And well, happy isn't a word because I'm dead inside. So but I I I'm I'm glad that that it went smoothly. I got to work with my good friend on it and I'll be an you know a longtime listeners know that. Used to make fun of me for this but now I know that. Shouldn't be shamed for having so many best friends. Some of us are just like that. Way every person I'll be like all the you have. You meant that like, yeah we used to be roommates. It was like that for like two months with you bitch that I never made fun. It was just so funny I don't you like. Anytime, you would meet somebody you like. Let me guess he was a roommate. She was a roommate and I'd be like, yeah. I'm sorry that I lived a life. Anyway. I was so nice to spend time with Dan and then also nice. You guys all know Michaela if your listeners, my friend Michaela is my guardian angel. My Rock, she took really amazing photos of the whole process. So as soon as I'm allowed to I will reveal the car I know some of you have been following me on instagram and I was like putting little previews and my stories so you saw it but. Yes. Stay tuned for that project and I also mentioned on a couple of episodes ago that I worked with on Hilliker from balloon. Helicopter grown on a project and so that is super secrets can't even talk about it at all. I. Know What it is big me. It's so exciting. So that's going to be coming out soon i. hope we'll see. Okay. Yeah. So other than. Moving across the country which you've been up to since the last time a record. Just. How was that journey I live my son humble fantasy 'cause I was like fuck? I'm not gonNA drive straight through I just can't. So we stopped at a couple of places but we stop at the Utah National Parks. Bitch no wonder everybody they're so religious like if you don't believe in God, that stayed will make you believe in God it's It's I i. was leaving my best westward fucking fantasy. It's so gorgeous. We went to arches I have never seen anything like that and I can honestly say that that's the most beautiful place that I've seen in my entire life. It was fucking extra and the best part is you could just do it in your car. You don't have to go out I mean you can. You should. But right now it's not the best time to be you know like hanging out with strangers in national parks. Shout out to my best friend Roommate Keira she visited Vegas in February and K WE WANNA go see some nature. It was February was really nice out. You know like great. Let's go to Red Rock and we went to Red Rock and you know how there's a scenic loop us a national park like in Vegas. Basically if you have if you don't know and we're and we just started driving I'm like Oh there's a nice little hike that has a lot of shade over here. and. We started to and we had a rental car like a jeep, right? So we started driving I've never had like this big of a car. And there's all these dirt roads. So I was like let let's were allowed. You want to just go on these dirt roads and see how far we can make it and we made it so far into this hike but like we were driving. Like pass people hiking. We're like and then we get to our destination. We're like, okay. We should probably stop here at actually hike right and and we look at each other and we're like I. Think I think we were I. Think this Council psyching, right? Yeah. Yeah we were on a dirt road. We were going less than five miles an hour at some points. We're like great this this turn around and go eat. We fucking left. With you. But describe arches. 'cause I'm imagining in my head I'm imagining. Kind of like Valley of fire deserty or is all trees think about exactly the Red Rocks State Park in Vegas but ten times larger in ten times taller. Arches like are they like the the rock formations or was? There's there's like I. Don't know there's so many of them but some of them are like thing long arches there's like the typical arches from the West movie like the Western movies and stuff. So many times you just read like Red Red Cross all of it. It's gorgeous men like. Seen Pictures of some of those arches but being in the park, I mean, it's so fucked up because those are native American lands and all those fucking rocks have like names of white dead men is gross but is just like. I don't know like I don't even know I was fucking doing everything I preach against him my landscape class I was like, yes I've always finding myself again like I was like having sublime moments is just like it was so so so so so amazing and I wanted to go to dead go through. The national. Park. Pin, number with as many non at Yosemite. Monument Valley Monument Valley. Yes. But as you may know covid ravage through Navajo. On so it's dad and like the visiting center because the the monuments, the national monuments are are owned by now people he was close and the and I wanted to go by there because I'm writing a paper on Westerns and I'm actually going to percent next February. New York. But we went to where John Wayne stayed while he was filming the movies. It was so disgusting it was just like a little hotel and they have this little homestead store that this guy basically the guy who made this whole thing happened live. There was this man and he called John Wayne and said, you know what? Monument Valley is the place you should come here and filmed your westerns and like the most iconic Western landscape it's monument valley and it started all there. But a you go there and of course that the workers of the of the store are Navajo but the owner of the tiny little museum, two white men crews from Mexico. But now the Mexico that you'd think he's from those like I. The later Latter Day saints like colonies that you see in outside of Casas. Grandes Horon. What is so it's like. Those compound. One of those Louis C. K. Mexican. Exactly one of those transparent pet of noms getting them. Of I think what governor of Texas also came from there something like that I don't remember anyway. No carry on with jump I don't know. I don't know if. can you tell we fucking politics anyway so we go there I don't excuse me. Twenty. Twenty year go to the store and I'm like can you the museum because I am writing paper BARF how fucked up? Westerners. Are and she looked at me like I was crazy and then my husband is like don't don't frame it like that I was like, why'd like she's now a whole she knows that this is fucked up. But I was wrong. And the owner came in and bitch this man growing up in a mission and that's what I'm doing. I'm comparing religious missions with the home steadying life. So he's living his best fucking mission life and he talks about how much all these people care for the Navajos even though that's basically like a neo-colonial setting that they have it's so fucked up they have a statue of John Wayne inside all kinds of pictures Oh, my God, it was. So it was so hard because I needed this tour and I needed the pictures. But at the same time I just wanted to fuck in Mandela Chinga you know what? I mean like if. I needed his picture. So I was just nodding now's like esta been there who man and it was interesting. It was really weird but. But going through the national parks and you test something else man it's fucking. It's beyond it's beyond it so. Now we want to do this because we took us over three days to get here. But Oh, not the Mama through temp wasn't hard and like Las Vegas. Still. Yeah, I'm leaving tonight actually go into California I'm going to Jesuit trees I'll be there for the rest of the year. Yeah. So it's been it's been interesting but the hardest part in the most complicated part of all of this is that traveling here and there I'm trying to finish the commission for four. That I have to do basically in two months. So I'm almost there which it feels good. But I'm excited because if everything pans out by next year I'm going to have all this fucking new publications and I can't wait to talk about all of them in detail. Especially, they whined about La Melinda. Once. All of this shit is over hopefully soon. I WANNA have Victoria from the Denver Art Museum maybe as a guest. So we can talk about the legacy of Lama, Lynch because it's such a controversial figure and their organizing an exhibition around her and art that celebrates her legacy. So I wrote an essay about that, and that's the part that I'm more excited about. So hopefully, by early next year, we can have a long conversation with Victoria which I met through you with the Denver Art Museum, which I'm very, very grateful to she was my roommate. Yeah, she's so great. Energy Energy Yeah it's unmatched. What's her last name name? howl shout out to you. I remember your days before that last name now just good. At that out. Okay. So Let's Doug food all my God. We haven't even done that yet and we haven't even done that. Oh girl. I have a story to tell you because I actually eight real food today. No mummies like food was alive? Yes. Ma'am Oh. So yeah, it was like. I went to my mom's house yesterday. Yes. I think it was yesterday she cooked for me and because that's she knows now I trained her well, she knows that if she makes food I will come and so. She had to let us and Salsa Verde Equa- Suma the Yes. With a rose and this. I don't know if it's a quantum allen or it's my. Listeners right in call in. Let us let me know. My family all of our all of my family has a version of my Guatemalan side. They have a version of boy and Karima, which is like like. Now you're like. That boy oh, but but with but with cream in it like with with opening. In cal like sour cream like the like the May Ghana kind. You know the the watery one? Yes. They like put it in the Gado and it makes it buoyant grandma and and the vegetables are a little bit different to than like a lot of potatoes and What does it out there whatever? and. and. Carrots and shit but it's like You've never described. Of Food you're doing it right now. Normally you're so detail you're like, you know what are a cream? Potatoes and shit. What you have to do a better job I don't know how to explain it. So comforting, the food that is very simple. That's just what it is, and then my mom makes the best right. So that point on either with Rice and Youtube. And she made me handmade Guatemalan thirty s when I was there. Spoiled me. It was delicious but you know Guatemala but at the as Y'all know. That you can only really like to 'cause they're so. So I actually prefer eating it with regular the so that I could eat more thirty. As you know boom I indulged a couple of Guatemalan thirty as they're like, you know they're like, Oh, I learned a lot actually from my mom because. She figured out how to get the Youtube. From her old phone now on her TV sack. And I said mom your phone sucks need to get you a new phone. Can I do for you? She's like, no I just figured out to put it on the TV. It's fine I'm like okay. Meanwhile literally the Samsung she has. Shocking her every time she uses it. Okay. Like Exactly, which is. His docusign quantum perito. Okay. And I'm like, what can I buy you a new phone? Going to explode in her ear like CEELO remember that video. God Yes studio whatever. So my mom watches these videos from people in long what the mullahs. That just like I don't like them because it's like that thing I like some of them but a lot of them are them going to check on these poor people a lot of indigenous folks unless as you in the jungles and the Little Pueblos and Do do like Komo psych on boxing videos of them like bringing them all this free shit like, oh, he's Tyson. Your Elettra go like you know here's some cereal and some soda and some water and like I wish they would be more creative with their content I wish they would they just give them the stuff and not that's like the worst part of for me growing up that was the worst part of my birthdays is when you had to sit there and open your presence in front of everybody to be like, ooh, how much does this the i? Love Me Oh and then you have to like perform that you like kit for everybody or else you're like Shit you know. So. Basically, this is what I'm watching and I love the older indigenous ladies because they don't give a fuck they're like. Just bring some water. What are you bringing me all this Javad you have the privileges your responsibility really don't take the credit who know it's just like what people do like Michaela when people keep things just so they can take the credit. You know what I mean. So like exactly a lot of. A lot of folks understand that that's why they do that. They're giving you shed just so they can feel better about themselves. You know that's probably why they react like that. So anyway, my mom showed me this guy I forgot his name, but I'll give him a shot at another day, but he has his whole family like sister has a youtube channel now and her mom his mom. Does like a little cooking channel and they're bad really bad and they have thousands, they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers so I was like mom you know that if I make a channel with you cooking like you could have as many followers as this lady like you're that good. Yeah and I could shoot it on my phone like ten times better than what they're doing. and. She's shy and I'm like well in the was showing her Tiktok like look there's all these people that don't even show their face. They just show the ingredients in their hands doing everything. We could do something like that and so I'm trying to convince her just. So she has a hobby you know instead of just talking about my weight, you know so. But she was showing me those the the moms videos of her cookie and and the media, and there's this will really cool one where actually at this was my favorite one where they're walking through the GAO. And that was fun because they were just shopping. They're like, Oh, this fruit I love this and describing every everything you know Dansko and that was really cool and then they show they go up to this thing to this to this west with Siniora's cooking You know what I thought were PAJAMAS ON A. Right and I'm like wait there colon why are they making papooses? Miko Donaldson she's like, should I don't know why my mom has a Mexican accent but she does she's like elimination drive. Guatemala one. I, I can do it. To Lethal. As On she says those on Busa us on Panetta's. Or something like that and I'm like what I'm like okay. What is it? Not a guy is going the. saw each other on and I'm like you just described Pusa. Funny and she's like, that's not that's just not what we call them. And so anyway, I thought that was really funny because. We talk about it all the time about Mexico, how like the same food has different names in depending on what state you're in basically right same thing with like what the malign like lower rate like they have very similar foods but they call them. Completely different things like I grow with those. Sta. but then I learned that they were thought topples and then I've heard doty tests. So it's like everybody has a different name for it. So yeah, totally. Yeah. They're either called empanadas Titas I didn't call. I don't Dunno God. Either way it looked delicious and it reminded me of my mom's. Thought, the eight and so just to give you guys a visual I took you on a journey all the way to what the mile to the cows, our land, but you know that. My Mom's thirty s look just like those in the video that I'm not gonNA share a link to. I don't like that they exploit these indigenous. Up It makes me so uncomfortable it makes me uncomfortable. But I had she packed me leftovers and so I have my studio and so I just A. Boy and Ankara on top of rice. But get this I have I made I have a lot of ginger for some reason on my house and so I keep making ginger rice. So it's Buzz Mati Rice with ginger and garlic, and Oh, that sounds bomb. That's the base and I poured the Caldo on top of it. The boy in Kramer was and. It made me like it made me think oh my gosh. This is like curry I'm because it tasted like over the ginger garlic rice. It tasted almost like a pinning or yellow curry and and and it click and I thought Oh shit if I didn't use chicken and just use vegetables and some sort of you know alternative meat or protein or whatever. I could totally make I'm Vegan. So I think I'm GonNa try I'M GONNA I'm GonNa try and have my mom teach me recipes and then try to do Vegan versions and see how good they come out because I bet girl a cooking milk version of it would be so bomb that sounds awesome. One time I got my mom Japanese Korean the first thing he did was like ICBM Molly. How is your mom? How is your mom about that? 'cause whenever I asked my mom like. I always say like mom I love your cooking I, WanNa save it forever. Let's do a cookbook. Let's do videos. Let's. She's like I. Hope I. She doesn't think her food's good. You know. How does your mom react? You ever say stuff like that well, I cook I try to cook everything that she makes because especially now that I'm so far away I miss it all and I don't think I've ever appreciated that food as I do right now but now it's become a competition nauseous so one time way against you. Yes. Fuck, of Bush, I I love her a bit better at they were she uses. Competition shoes your mum's your mom's picture in the dictionary. She uses my husband as the fuck in proof. So a lot of the is so like before we went back to Chicago impact or shed, she may Tacos. So, he takes a bite and they're fucking good los tecos hitters in our only if I give him the recipe here before but is just like be stick with Bacon and salt and pepper, and that's it in bed she makes. Being also be negative. Volume been aggravated because they got yourself. The Oh control. So like a whole thing, right? So he takes the first bite, he goes and that's it. We continue eating alleging era. Two weeks later, I call my mom pretty much every day and especially now with food I was like, oh, almost as so catchy like comparable Blah Blah Blah and I said I'm making tacos right now she goes okay when the Los Private Mamie may have recess and I was like one. She goes out. She's like I'll know if they're good if he doesn't say I love. The either not that guaranteed. So. We sit down and eat and then he tackle. Tackle in now. So. I had to call her back I. Say mom, there was not Beginning? and. She's so upset Babs I I was just like entertaining the whole thing. But now it's like everytime he doesn't see that he does it. So he will take a bite of something. and she goes S. If. Let me tell you a story about yourself. I will never forget this moment. You made some bomb, ass shit that you're. You know you're always cooking and you know I like to make fun of you because it's like what? I live for Casillas Man yes. Coronavirus trying to get me. It's what I live for and you made something it was really good. Had like a big on it. It might have been like a Asian inch inch e lavas another no Makiko I, don't know what it was. It was an a bowl and we would go to your house and what's drag race and whatever you're wonderful thing you made. And and I ate it up so fast and like Lee out literally almost lick the bowl clean. And I was just like, wow, thanks you know whatever and you were so upset do you remember this? No could. You're so upset because you're like, well, how was it? I was like, oh, it really good. This was like the next day or two days later. Yes. was like I was like, yeah, was so bombings like we didn't say anything you never say anything when you eat my food I was like bitch I basically eight, the ball. The reviews are in. I'm like, what are you talking about? Loved it. But I do remember because was like because I just remembered like. You and I the same things like we will go out tacos and share and we were like, oh. Yes. This is bombed like when we were in sync when he came to eating out. So like the first time I cook for you, I was fucking nervous. I was like Guilio. What I what? Charta. Food then again I think it was by the third time when I was like bitch say something. Because you will be like Thank you. Does it. So I was watching my stories the not eating I was having the best time ever. I apologize you know like a now I understand that some people need verbal affirmations. Community. You'll see what you also be. fucking. Like. Understand. I'm the very same way I'm a cancer. So I always need. I always need people to kiss my ass that's like my personality or or validate my existence. Need people to validate my existence. Okay. But I know that about myself now so I'll always be like so what do you think the? Just ask a simple question like that and. And I know you could have been like, Hey, what do you think and I would have been like? Can I have some more? Let me tell you the best and war story about food since the last time I talked to you Oh, girl did you here's I'm so sorry I'm so sorry. You just had the worst than best thing about food and. I just want to announce to the world right now that I am officially an influence sir? Okay. What? Okay and not only a basic asked instagram influencer. Okay. I am a chicken nugget influencers I Vietnam because I got a personal email. In English and Spanish the. From McDonald's Oh. And they're like Hey Justin. We love you. We've heard you talk about chicken nuggets in the past lots and we just want to let you know because you know I make art about chicken. All this shit is I'm obsessed. We just wanted to let you know. that. Comes September. McDonald's is rolling out spicy mcnuggets. You heard it. In spicier sauce and then they're also coming out with a chips Ahoy mcflurry. Okay. And basically, they just tricked me into doing a commercial for them. I got a coupon for Free Nuggets Bitch and I'm happy it and that's all it takes. So if you're listening to this show and be like, how could I get an ad on the dinos who lunch just send me? Free Food Okay. If it's from an Evil Corporation Benny Shit. That is killing millions of people. Every day. People. Or Labor. Pretty, much, just ruining the world anyway spicy next check them out. But go ahead what was the worst and best would experience of for you. Okay. So I was taking care of a friend's house by the way if anybody else wants to send me chicken nuggets. Fish to there's some really good vegans out there. So if you're a Vegan company and you have chicken nuggets, did you like my review of McDonald's I haven't reviewed it yet but? Just. Vegan chicken nuggets. I will review them on the show just email me. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. Okay. Our your system. I was taking. Stupid Taking care of a House here in Vegas I was just recording fucking classes because now not only I have to prepare class I have to per class I, have to record it and they have to edit it. I've learned how to fuck in edit video now. So it's just like all entire fucking thing but I I love it the results are good anyway. So. I just use a time in that house to just record record record, but my dad is a fucking bad, ass. I said, I need a pull up Bar which one do you recommend me to buy because he knows and you know he's like I'll make you one I was like great. So instead of spending three, four, hundred dollars in a pull up bar he just made me one. So of course, Komo NEO WHO We're in the other house I was like I wanna go to my mom's an exercise. Let's go. So we come here I do my exercise. Cheddar. and. I was like now I need in and out because you know muscles need burgers. So I want to support the LAPD. That's right. and. I'm and Line Latching Guy IMOs bypass Econo-. Cheesy love Erica and then. Love. Ride between the BURBS. And minimal style. anyways. So I get by gave my own Little Hawaii. They'll hooligan Guandong mega or then. fucking pain in my tooth Wait. Wait. This was allies DSL not share way, and I'm driving back home screaming and crying. Like I'm not making it Oh, have any video of that equal swooping they wish. that. Come at this because SNL. Pinchas anyway. So we get to the case. So you you broke your tooth on a on a burger or or. Go metaphorical a pinch. Ho that was a saddest part, the fucking bag. Daring and GONNA rotted tooth back there. So no but the problem is that I am petrified. Petrified of the fucking dentists. So I bring it up because I I had A. YEAR NOT Filling out fell. Back in New York I was like man. Almost If you were. If anybody was unsure if there was a Mexican now confirmation right there. All head it's been at this to be. Go to the dentist because they're gonNA find something wrong with my teeth way. Mechanical 's. Peru macos interest. Anyway. So I I my grandma remember the first one of the first times I went to the Dennis Michael. See Vanessa. Mustard Nah. Get a second us. Matvey baucus onto. Good. They're gonNA scam you. Get all those teeth pulled out a once don't go back and I'm like. All right. She's absolutely right plus if you might as well suffer one day instead of like thinking about suffering again. So we get to the house and I was like no moment don't care the Mama don't give it if the lower lows the 'cause sometimes you know you get sugar and the Mirror we latching on. So I brush my teeth and I think the the toothpaste like nominated for fifteen minutes. So I'm like okay whatever less watch cartoons or whatever. And killed him in Notre simple throws. Like Youtube video mathematician though like I felt like that. So fast forward to five in the morning of me screaming basically nonstop. I was like I can't. Take me to the emergency room like I need. Fuck. Inge rocks. So we get to the emergency room in coronavirus fucking time I'm petrified I don't. WanNa. Touch everything. But at the same time, Misao fucking moody in the way till Hurricane Caveat experimental on fucking the Lord that it was. So fucking painful and I'm just walking from one side of the emergency room to the other Like I'm trying to scream but he fight on dino sack also neither while go wait till who me that's my. So thankfully. Shoutout to all the. You MC. There were wonderful. So finally pulled me back there and then to just like Oh my God I, see it. I see it, I get it I. Get it all give you painkillers like no more questions ask because you know that shed it's so control. Our. Nerve like give it to me like and I had a whole prescription but I was like, no, we admitted NSF Bhutto territorial but I still wanted something just to fix the pain to like get to the dentist. Weight matters here circa to give me the fucking pills. He select kind stupider and I'm just like are you fucking kidding me like I'm dying right here like I need you to shot me or something and because it's me out bitch I'm trying to die alone and because you know like nurse Jackie. So freaking out about control substances, she had to call somebody. Oh. God to be a witness that she's not pocketing those pills because that stuff is you know. It's heroin. That's that's what they give you. So I. Have to wait another ten minutes better looking for the as me nor does Musleh goals they pin Chevy there finally they give to me I'm still. I'm still crying. The last Marya Marielle Amana. Guyana, his mother but. I was like Oh my God and I fell asleep for one hour. Woke up call all the dentist available and finally when it's like, yes, we take your insurance come in noon I fell asleep for a couple more hours and I go there and as soon as I got there, the guy goes the dentist union a Root Canal I'll was a latching ga that way. I was sitting there for five hours. Thankfully I got a Mexican dentist and the Mexican nurse of Dentists Assistant and she was making me laugh the whole entire time. She even told me a story that when she lived in Mexico, it was Christmas ally Communist our vm when but my heard. So I will go to their room and shut myself and put myself. And put my Moya to sleep come come outside it some food go back to the room shut herself again she was making me cry laughing but it was the most horrible twelve hours of my life but needless to say I can chew in both sides of my mouth for the first time in three years and it is wonderful. So food tastes even better than it ever did before. Oh. My God I can't believe it I mean ever since I've known you couldn't chew with half of your mouth really much like I didn't hear bells Yoda. Good. Y- but. They they drill on my three times at one point after they drill because felted, they put la- hitting got into one of the holes and chided so it it just shut this painkiller whatever it is directly into the on until the Navio I. Felt like I saw lobbied and my delos Santos I was like what? Yes. So Nina's. Please take care of your teeth. It is no fucking joke. Even my swagger like Eskimos as Komo's looser. I was like Roy Glover on horrible. It's fucking Shitty. But I survive. And I'm here taking care of my teeth like never before. Has Been. Oh. My Gosh I can't. That's like one of the worst pains for real. It's It's something men I remember one of my. I have pretty good teeth. So I usually don't have I don't think I've ever had a cavity. But there was something going on with my teeth, my front teeth. For one Thanksgiving and I'm like, you know, how can you kind of feel like a tooth is loose something happened. So I keep having nightmares of my front tooth cracking. It was not great but. I just ignored it like you did and it's all good I just. It just flaps open. Once in a while my front tooth, you'll make deal hoops COPA missile. You sorry my. Tooth fell out. But the dead tooth back in your mouth. Aso's scary being in the hospital right now I can't imagine it was it was a lot but they. They they people were cleaning. It will support you know like they're taking the precautions because it's just it's fucking scary but I thank God is I remember sitting there and be like, Oh, I cannot wait till this. Was Too. Much. But. Anyway, why don't we take a quick commercial and maybe we'll have time at least one letter before we come back OK lucky didn't eat. Shit. Oh. My goodness. It's that time to thank our wonderful marinas and marinas here at Latinos who lunch without you we couldn't do it. Thank you. Are Patriots subscribers supporters. and familiar. Really. We really are overwhelmed with a suppor- and we want to take this moment to shout out our mother in us, Bob Alito. Let's do it. So first, Janelle G. Thank you so much. P. I mean Asia are. Alison are ANA be Michelle. S Nancy are Carlos M Caroline K Chris and Berna Gloria de Sherry W. Edeka t Santos Q. Miguel M.. David our brand DC umbrellas Jocelyn see Judith G.. L. Gianetti Jesse S Monique's J. Shutout, Mother Gina. P. Joan. 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Jesse important things like does my mom make better Tacos than me? And that's why you tune in. Tune in every week, we didn't talk about anything relevant to what's happening and you know what? What, a blessing and yes. What if I three times girl? So you know what? I was about to drag our show. But I'm celebrating it now. Sorry about go ahead. You have any. Okay. I'm going to try to explain this the best I can to give you a little insight and how my brain works because. I've admitted on the show many times and I know beverly tells like so annoyed that I don't like to read because he sends me all the time and I'm like. I try price so hard I try but I can't bear. To Send You my forty two pages article. So good luck with. Just put him in the folder with the rest of the stuff. Jingu I realized that. Might have some undiagnosed like not learning this I don't know if it's a learning disability or what but. My attention span. For. Like. I'm a really slow reader and then I get bored because I'm such a slow reader, but it's GonNa take practice. You know what I mean like if I have to do something I will do like in school if I have to read something I'll read it. You know what I mean so. I'm trying to I'm trying to have a goal now reading a book every every two weeks a new book every two weeks. And It's Kinda working but what I decided to do because. You know I think we've had this conversation before about or I've talked about a recently with you Baba. Lido. About like how a lot of Latinos especially like white. Latinos. White. Mexicans they excuse themselves from conversations about whiteness white privilege because they don't see themselves as white. Yes. Culturally, culturally, they are not you know. But in the United States you are treated differently and that's like without a doubt that's just the fact you know right and so you so like for example, me and part of my family were very white and we are and we benefit from white privilege and I realize that I'm blind to a lot of bullshit or blind to a lot of injustices and realities because of my white privilege. So obviously I grew up with a lot of people in my life that have helped me become a person that's not a complete piece of shit when it comes to social justice issues. but I, I want to set the example for other Latinos and be an own that privilege and be like listen I'm a white Latino and and when people are talking shit about white people. I'm not I'M GONNA I'm GonNa, pay attention and apply that to the way that me and my family also act and that has really changed my perspective on everything that I read online because I feel like a lot of people and this happens a lot with queer white men and women who are like, Oh, I dated a black girl once in the nineties I'm not racist. You know like the lesbian saying that you know like You know or like, Oh, I'm gay and so I've had to struggle so much. I feel like it's like the same thing like, Oh, I'm Mexican I've had to struggle so much just doesn't apply when you're saying things about white people it applies to white gays you know what I mean right accept. It does matter. If you if you one of the minority categories these enriching the Guinness Aromas and we're victims from now on but nobody doesn't work like that right and just like the conversation I, we had a couple of weeks ago with blood in it g the podcast is like intersection and we talked about like well, I talked about like the first time I really heard. For me personally because I didn't go to school for four. You Know Race Gender Studies, intersection -ality was a big buzzword when the when the women's March happened and I call it the white women's March because that's when I started to realize like and you know with like podcasts like tea with Queen, and j like Oh there's a difference between like feminism because it's really white feminists right and then there's woman is and then so there's a lot of different. It's it's. You know white supremacy is very real. Okay. So anyway, all that to say. when when June when we when the travesty happened and George Floyd was murdered and we had the uprisings again and the black lives matter protests. All of these guides came out like here is your Google doc with all the anti-racist things you need to read. and. I saw one that's like anti-racist resources for white people. anti-racists resources in Spanish anti-racist resources general. There's like three main ones, and so I said, you know what? I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go down the list of all the anti-racists books that I need to read on the on the list for white people to see what they are like what and just learn from square one. You know number tend that because I have a podcast about identity and let me that that I am. Race because I'm not right absolutely, not right and so. I started going down the list and this is actually you know I mean I feel like I after five years of doing this podcast me and like if there is a list of things for me to do. I am I love to complete the list like so there's that list of of resources and you better believe I will go one by fucking one and read every fucking thing on that list, and so that's what I started to do. So the first book that I could find in my library was racism without racists. So the author is. Vilnius Silva and he's a I think an Afro Puerto Rican based on the context from the book and you know what I thought. This would be a great opportunity to share with. You like a book review even though it's a very dense like academic material I thought I could be saved some of y'all time. because I if if you listen to the show and you've been listening for a few years, I think a lot of the concepts and the research done. In this book primarily you already kind of know 'cause it's just it's awesome. 'cause like like the resource says it's for white people that don't have a clue you know. So the main study in this book is in Detroit Michigan and they survey White white black, white, and black I think mostly students and then like people in the Detroit area that are older also and so. Basically it's the book is cut up in sections and they just you're Kinda just reading people's responses to questions like what do you think about biracial marriage? What do you think about white privilege and you get to hear these like really uncomfortable answers from people that are trying to be politically correct talk about racism like post nine, thousand, nine, hundred, Seventy S, which is like colorblind racism we're like I don't see color everybody's equal. You know like when people say that shit just makes my blood boil yes. So it's just like it's a lot of like well, if they want to do that. That's fine. Anyway. where it gets good. Bitch is chapter nine. So good. So if you WANNA ask you just want to reach accidentally. Chapters of the book I recommend them because that's where it gets juicy. There's a whole chapter on on the racial like structure of Latin America and how it's how it's like a myth. You know, of course, it's a myth that there's no racism in Latin America. It's shit that we talk about a lot but I love the way that this author puts it and then so I it saying that the United. States is kind of eventually going to go to this kind of Latin American version of of the way that we think about race, which is more even more problematic than how we think of it in the United. States because Mexicans pretend racism doesn't have doesn't exist which is what we're trying to do over here. Right but right we see you killing us. We see you kill black people to you know especially them so. anyway. But it's good because if you get the book now there is there's a whole chapter on Obama which is amazing about how You know coming from a black author, your. You know I, remember when Obama was elected it was like. Oh might we cried we were so happy. We never thought the day would come but this author really gets real about like how Obama became president and how Ye has been like one of the most moderate presidents in the history you know like of the United States and how ya how hard it any sort of emotion are you kidding he? Will I been defied? Yeah. Once I think I, remember and it was like a whole thing. So I liked that it was very objective. You know and like you know Obama was also the deport her in chief basically. Never, forget I and a lot of there was a lot of things that he did with you know with the military that was Kinda fucked up. So that was fucked up not kind of was, and so anyway he gets into that and then there's there's they added a chapter since since trump was elected and it gets really into that in a really entertaining for me I thought it was entertaining based on the rest of the book anyway. So I do recommend it but just so you know the first few chapters are a little bit rough because it's just like white people be like well I don't know. Data themselves I'm fine. You know like it's just like you can hear the racism in their voices. You know it's so scary. We were talking about this with an uncle couple weeks ago and he put it in such a good way he said. This is a system in a country that was put together several hundred years ago by white people, and now the people are telling you that the system that you put in place a. Couple of of hundred years ago for white people, it doesn't work anymore. So you have to fuck and change, and like I think we've got to the bring point that even though this movements of freedom this. Equality are not new it's gotten to the point of almost no return. This is why the political game on the other side is fucking. It seems more ridiculous. Never have you seen the trump ads on youtube? It is so fucking entertaining but at the same time is not because it is it's is real because this shed has hit the fan and I mean, he hit the fan in fourteen, ninety, two right but his gun to the point where like there's no fucking return to everybody needs to fucking be ready because the changes are. Just skating started. You know like and we all feel like came out of nowhere a lot of people feel like you came out of nowhere. So this type of resources as. And as dumb as they may seem to some of is that had been thinking or talking about this show for a long time, they're steel necessary. So that's that's a good recommendation. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Recommend it and like I said I'm giving you a low cheat. If you WanNa just read the last few chapter, the intro in the last few chapters baby that's gold and. You just reminded me of. So that's my first recommendation is the book racism without racists and then second is. I've already I've I have already talked about lacey mostly on the show before she's a comedian who has the podcast scam goddess where she talks about scams. and her latest episode was about Shaun King who may or may not be white but his posing as like a modern day Frederick Douglass basically like activists. I don't know you got to listen to that episode. It's good but. I say this because Lacey on a on a past episode when you know they were talking about Joe Biden and they're talking about what's happening now with a coup, we have to choose for you know like we have to choose as president like we either vote for this dumpster fire of a president to keep ruling this country or like a dictator right or only Senator Clinton's. Right. We settle, for Joe, Biden and Lacey says. Lacey says. Dig about it this way trump told police on air an interview or whatever whatever I during a speech or something. Like to why police are just shooting people straight in the heart. Was So minded, and there are there is also a recorded Joe Biden saying will wire police shooting people to kill. Maybe they should just shoot them in the legs. That's what Joe Biden said. Probably a public statement. And Lacey was like that this pretty much sums up. We have to choose from somebody that's GONNA shoot us in the heart or somebody that's going to shoot us in the leg. Dally, dodds right and so. She started this new campaign and it's called leg twenty twenty. So you can go to. Go. And buy the shirt leg twenty twenty that's my recommendation. I am supportive black business and buy a funny sir. I almost want to have a whole show of. I'm voting because it's my privilege and a half do and I cannot vote but not. How I've been thinking about it because it's just like, I, don't fucking know what to think anymore and I don't even know what you know like it's just out of control and there's been so many times where I'm like fuck it I'm not going to do it but. I have to do it. For. You Oh. Whom Twenty twenty right I. Always. I'm buying that t shirt. That's awesome. Okay. So my recommendation for. Something that being wanted to recommend for a while and I've been waiting for a new album from this band for a while because this person has become one of my favorite musicians out there in as you you've been listening to the podcast for awhile. You know that I've been obsessing over Colombian. Colombia Colombians, and there's just so much like I went into a rabbit hole it Mr Guy in the way there's so much fucking amazing shit. But as fucked up as this sounds that started through a Spanish, the the no because that album. That I did it was one of my top albums of last year I'm Colombian I think it was called. It was produced by Eglise Alvarez and everybody's Alvarez produced dot album. He has two projects. One is low speed. Yes. which is psychedelic. Columbia have. You don't know who beat onions is. Google, it's amazing. It's just fucking amazing music and it's all. These like they don't necessarily plan the songs they just jammed together and they put incredible shit. But another project of Alvarez is Meridian brothers and the Meridian brothers every time. I read something about them. It's all the same thing and they always say this is unclassifiable music and the reason is because this shed is unclassifiable it's so fucking weird. It's so crazy every time I hear a new meridian brothers album I don't know what to think anymore. I Love Them. So strange and they're so weird and they just came out with a new album a couple of days ago. So by the time this comes out it's like a couple weeks ago is called Gumby Gumby. Siglo, in Juneau, if you listen to this album expecting to listen to something familiar like you're wasting your time, just going to this album knowing that it's going to be a fucking trip. This guy did. This guy did a cover of son of a preacher man is called a will be Chaman. and. 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Mothership Sci-Fi Horror RPG

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Mothership Sci-Fi Horror RPG

"Gaming and BS episode to eighty nine being recorded Monday April April thirteenth thirteenth. Twenty twenty welcome to gaming and BS at tabletop. Rpg podcast. I'm wanting your host. Sean Number Brett's Williams show folks welcome back letter base here and on board although he been Sean. I'm doing fantastic Brett. How are you a few kind bad? And here's why today's my sons ages. Fourteen th birthday. Oh today and there's new can't birthday party right. Normally normally has his closest friends over and I run D and e for like six hours for a couple of them. Don't really they don't have the equipment at home to zoom earning like that. So he's like. Oh we'll just wait for us to end. And they'll have a big party your buddy. That's what we'll do so well that SUC sems- are yeah. I could see how that would. I think this is probably hardest on on the kids right like I mean my kids. Don't I mean they have all technology here so they can do stuff and whatever but? Aj misses his friends right now and I miss my friends. Normally this time Sean I have like. Hey let's go get a beer for time. Hey you got a new job. We should go get lunch or something and this is as close as we get. GotTa Kinda sucks in that part but little guys fourteen. He's Pretty Happy Hem. That's pretty cool. How did oh we'RE GONNA talk? We'll talk about your game later in the setting and whatnot but so we're talking about mothership. We're talking about that later on main topic. But how did You ran the officials since we ran the The survey and people said Hey. Yes you two jackasses. Run Games for us. You ran the first game as you are older than him. So you're one of my age scouts if you make it. I know it's safe for me to proceed and This is the same thing. Had you run your game? I so the goal Okay Am I. Am I safe to proceed? I think it went fairly well It was sessions zero so mothership which will get into Character GENERATION WHICH MR. Hobbs can have told him he asked me so that night from Hobbs and friends asked me to join his game and I said no. I'm runnin sessions zero mothership and he's like well you don't need to run a session zero for mothership which he is correct like the guys all five of them I mean they. They created a character like less than ten minutes. The remember sessions here was more than just making characters that is fair. And that's why I did want to have one because I also wanted to make sure that the players were clear and unlike some of the rules and if they had questions and things seat that I've gotta run on the twenty fifth again avalon game then running and she's I hate his five. Most people go. Fight your whatever they can go read up do research whatever but I will still start the first one a hey. You're old. Give up the pretense at a time and do some QNA. So I mean there'll be stuff going on. I'm going to treatment similar to a con game. Yeah even so it bears. I've never played mothership. So we're GONNA. I'd probably have a lot of questions anybody played with. You didn't have so I think when sometimes when we think sessions here was all about character agent at is not the case not case all the other things we can talk about we throw out there but before we get too far that let's just how'd it go fund. Give good time we did. I thought we had a good time. It's we select. People will tell you that having fun part of the gateway to the Yes yes I. What's the point of doing this? If it's not fun will we had some some pretty good laughs at certain junctures of the So WE AVID STREET. We streamed here on twitch and so it's recorded here. I'm John Blow it to youtube but we had some some good chuckles along the way. I think You know made fun of Jeff. Goad on you know not being able to commute himself even though he's a podcast or the fact that he's run it So he's surprised. I told them my camera. We're running dead planet. He's like dead planet all. I've run that like twice and I'm like what the Hell is he doing here. Like what are you doing here? Jeff Do you want to see how you do it? Actually Jeff and I had talked ahead of that he and low side project. We're noodling on together. Just it's peace time as we work our way through it and I told him I said well this way. You can find out how not to do so. It's like that's me. Yes yes it is and it was fun. It was fun. We so they have all their characters. Generated The ship is up in the air. Like we didn't really get into the ship. Probably create that for them and set the tone on the first session and say okay. You're all on this ship and you've been tasked to to do. I can't say too much. Dan's in the chat room. So as we're GONNA be reckon stuff But yeah and it's a lot of random stuff in in about we'll talk about that later time. That's what matters. We had a good time also but on another subject I ran to of annihilation this past Saturday with Jeff and the gang virtually virtually of course not good at rural. Yeah I I was on the verge of going on to roll twenty and and pulling my subscription like I was so pissed off. Wow what part of rule twenty was not functioning. Oh I was literally getting browser crashes just Puke like Wow Yeah. I was so ticked running. You're running the weekend. I was runnings. Yup I am. I run with my own group. I run avalon a Tuesdays and Elvis running a Thursday night dinner round game and so far Alpha's game. We had a couple of different browser issues that time but otherwise I don't know if it's a weekend thing where their servers don't get the shit kicked out of them or something but Regardless yeah so I was super super ticked off. I I used a couple of different browsers was not using video as not using voice. Shut everybody down just it was a tremendous and I thought I did at one time. I said I'm going to shut everything down and Marie boot. I'M GONNA launch one browser. I'm GonNa Launch Zoom and no other tabs will see how this goes and if it pukes out I swear to God I am going to kick role twenty to the curb and it worked from there on. Oh for the rest of the day but you know Brett Threat that's what it was. Dude some browse. Some browsers have memory leaks and if you don't restart your computer or kick that browser to the curb you your memory just just expands and expands and expands and then it just ends up puking and being with do anything for you so so this is a very good point as people are giving online more than as you and I are gaming online more. I believe it's worth before you game online if you've been running your pc all day whatever it is. He being clear that browser issue for the last hour. You know whatever it is Save all your favorite links. Whatever Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah but pc reroute your computer before you start stars fresh as you can Alfred our had talked about it with. Um what had happened on Thursday? I said you know this is last Thursday. I said I had my back up and running all day. Doing lots of different stuff in browsers and move over here and doing whatever I said. I'm willing to bet that that had something to do with it. Because after I did a complete reboot problems. I think it was fun. Yeah I was not happy at all and so once it got working got into the groove. Dynamic lighting was working. There still couple couple things that was not. It's kind of weird. If the fog of war and revealing some rooms didn't go as smoothly as I wanted to it. We got through it. But here's the leading for individual character. I do cause Alpha Kappa Alpha as Alpha's got down. I don't know what he did. But like okay. We go up to the door. What's the next room? Need like turns on something that turns on dynamic leading for me past the door and my scout sneaks in and I see shit. It's as wicked cool. Yeah so yes. That's that's that's that and everything will be fine. The next time we run and then of course mothership I'm going to run the next session. On April twenty third Thursday. Then it'll be. Every two weeks is theater the mind it will be mostly for the most part. I don't anticipate thrown out maps on the on the screen or anything. I may have to get just a quick whiteboard APP where I could just pencils something out. Noga you're here. You're here you're here. This is what it looks like But nothing too crazy. I'm not GonNa do role twenty or anything. That's there's really no need for it necessarily But I'll do rerun that April twenty third session one kicks off at eight. Pm Central Time we argue streaming here on twitch and there were uploaded to youtube so if you can tune in. That's great if not later. Oh let's see I think we cover. That's pretty much man. We smash right into announcements as well. Brat Brett's running. Yeah I've got mine on the twenty fifth at two PM Central Time they'll be on twitch which is really really cool. Thank you very much on. 'cause I can't do this I cannot host without Sean so Sean said hey you? Australia's I loved. You have no idea what I'm doing. He's like dude. Of course we do that for you. Which I think is very generous of you sean. Because you freeze its background man. It is just phenomenal dude. My wife's life as green screen. She's a photographer a walk into she. Loves PHOTOGRAPHY IS A hobby to walk into her into the room which is working on her. Mac said Hey. She Work Photoshop as photographers or want to do. I said you know. I know you've got this little backdrop. Hanging thing kept parliament by green screens. Goes I have a green screen. Like what kind of idiot am I that I don't know all the backdrop looks fantastic? The lighting dude. I thought Brett's always can come in you know. And no lighting. And I know she's Camera. She came emerges at this. Turn Lights around. Move things like there. This is how it works so but we didn't. We didn't get to finish what Brian was saying. So he's running at streets of Avalon. Because we didn't mention your running that and on the twenty fifth Saturday at two o'clock central time we're GONNA streaming it here on twitch I'll be here Kind of running things in the background and That'll be five. The system just case BAR UNFAMILIAR WITH STREETS OF AVALON. Setting five rules. Correct Shaw do thank you again for streaming for me. Because I can't do without you. Yeah absolutely man so jer. Rascher have wants to run the streets of Avalon game. And he's like. Hey so what do you do run a gay man? You bought the Book Run. The game run the world do it. Gogo so we've got some influence our forums out there. He's talked about it so he hit us up over twitter and I'm like yes absolutely. Goddamn lutely you get out there and run run you some avalon son. So that's really cool. I am currently flattered. The wanted to do that at all. Which is really cool so I really appreciate it as of this recording. He may have one commitment. But he's looking for. I think around five players and if you head over to our forums at forms gaming and BS DOT COM By the time this drops I'd hope he'd have his players outset he does have a questionnaire that kind of mimicked some of the questions at Bratton. I put out there like which are have you ever gained online You know it's your email so we can get contact info Things like that so eas go to the forums web link in the show notes and If if he's got a waiting list but yet Jarrett is going to be running that dirge topnotch doing. He knows his stuff he he did the when the first reviews of. Malvo on book which again think was very well done for insightful. Very deep as jared has want to do such reviews so he knows the setting you know spy be like the back of his hand so I think this is pretty cool. I'm very flattered and very pleased. Jared wanted to do that Blasio and bring up. Go ahead no say kind of champions on May Twenty third of the twenty fifth online. This helps to support tabletop events. I brought this up before Think it was last last episode tabletop events. If you have gone to ever con- When I've still helping outside the perform just not one of the runners anymore step down from that role but that is the engine that takes your credit cards prince. Your badges does you. Tickets organizes things prince maps from a back end. It helped our finances. I mean it does a Shit. Ton of stuff is incredibly powerful system for rank. Gary Khan uses a chunk of it. I know that Quincy conquest was using at least at one point a number of other small conventions who had actually contacted me Because they got a hold of. Jt from tabletop events. He's a hey talked user stuff and I've pimped. His stuff. Repeatedly people aren't conventions origins is delayed. But if you that one on the origins got the late so when things like that happen when events get pushed off or cancelled things like tabletop events who are running it Kinda jams. They need to do this type of thing in order to stay afloat. They've got overhead. They've got people need to pay To keep things running and quite frankly it's the best God damn concept out there unless unless you want to build your own which I don't advise you to do no don't do that to Alicia and the business of writing software for conventions don't fucking do that don't stable up events anyway. Lincoln show notes. Go there check that out. It is definitely worthy most definitely even if you don't want to run online and do anything if you throw these guys five bucks. That would be awesome because there were. I don't know yet if I can actually run anything online. I got to take a look at my schedule. So if I can't do that I'm going to definitely donate something up because gt and the crew. They're good folks. No I think we covered a lot under announcement. So we'll get into Random topic that's it. Let's wrap up show counter segment of the show every field voicemails comments from social media and the forums. Alight Week this week you go laremy comments on episode two eighty eight changes the playing RPG ONLINE. So that was our last episode. He says a couple of thoughts for me on this episode. I've been running fantasy grounds for awhile now out of convenience that my group can sneak in a game after we put our small children. Abed three the six players have kids under three. Ooh Yeah Yeah as its perks but I know I for one would still far rather play face face but it's way better than nothing have started adding tools to my toolbox including music and sound. You guys were talking about getting too tied up in it which I believe. Fortunately I HAVE THE INVERSE ISSUE. I forget it a lot which is cool. It makes a bit more punctuated when I remember it as far as other tools. I get a lot of mileage out of one note when running my online game also while I know voices more popular than video my preference if I can meet face to face is video. I feel like it's a lesser bri barrier than voice alone and keeps the game more personal and speaking of barriers. My last point I had a first time game. Play a one shot with me last week. A nice run right. I feel. Let's see and then annette good friend of mine mutual NERD SLASH CO worker slash drinking body but hadn't ever gamed. I don't think I've ever seen a first time Gamer. Take to it so quickly. It's awesome. He didn't have to figure out which dice dice did. What which then. When then when to add? What modifiers or anything. Oh my God. I think I butchered the crap out of that. He didn't have to figure out which dice was which went to add. What modifiers or anything. He just had to hit the right button on his character sheet. Anyway stay safe. Cheers Laremy very cool. Hey Larry Your nurse stay. Safe Brother wants your next convention date. You take care of yourself man. That's right on the front lines. Yup Oh Speaking of if Shawna digressing we want to talk about gaming. And we don't want to just talk about current events because it can be very depressing but folks declare me Where gators wife is a nurse and I follow her on twitter She's amazing person. I've met her. She's wonderful. She's a nurse Mola Mola solder my stepdaughter Michaela. Inertia just moved out to Portland. She were via out there All the people in that space and I'm not just talking doctors nurses and medical professionals all the people out there who are doing the essential worker thing and either under the store today for something stupid. So GonNa go buzz in. Bas out as fast as they can. Look at the men and women who are there working. That's that's a tough gig. It's a It's depressing GIG and I can see that I could feel it in the building when I was in it. And all of you men and women out there listening to us Thank you thank you very much. It's it's got damn awesome that you guys are doing what you're doing so I know our thanks is not somebody to bank but It's it's awesome that you guys are doing what you're doing so thank you keep at it. Yes yes all right. So I'll go back to Laramie content here one thing. He says he's talking about getting too tied up in it. I E The music and sounded whatever he said. I make up for it. Because of the inverse issue I forget a lot honestly I find. I have the exact same problem if I say. Hey I'm gonNA use music and a rig up a thing and I get going off. Fuck I forgot. I had a sound effect for that and they forgot the dragon breath and I forgot the noise. And THERE WAS DRACULA TACK SHIT. Spend two hours setting up a thing and I forgot. That's okay quite frankly. That's part of it and sometimes We will be tough on ourselves when we forget that stuff than the players will fit or even a player say oh I had a really cool. I worked on my you know German accent I was GONNA use for this character and I was really getting into something. I completely forgot to do at those really going to do with this character. I feel like a fool. You're only you really didn't let anybody else down. So don't don't take it so hard yourself so I would say that it happens. I forget you too. It's like forgetting the drowning rules in the middle of women game. They like Crap somebody look that up. It's it happens you know you're gonNA try a new trick or the trade and you're gonNA fall because you're gonNA forget about it totally fine totally fine. I would say though my advice. Is that if you continue to forget the thing? It might not really be a thing. You're interested in. Yeah yet wonder. How like how excise important? If you're forgetting your halfway in the campaign like fuck I was Gonna use this wonderful soundtrack. Every time they encountered the vampires I completely keep forgetting to run the GODDAMN SOUNDTRACK. Just dish soundtrack tried another time kids. It's totally fine totally fine. We good men. Yeah let's get into the main topic. Yes let's talk Sean started running. Mothership you talked about mothership a briefly before I know crap about it other than there's a ship in a mom so need to know more about this game is just so today spirit. Backdrop looking point. Anyway I don't even know kids say that today the point the point is why here mothership I think. Oh yes clearly spaceship game. I've heard it can be a lot like the Aliens. Movie Franchise that there's horror online or horn the sporran space and so. I don't know enough about it so I wanNA know about the system sitting system system system. That's the word own about the system. The setting combat skill checks encounters. What's the VIBE of this game right? So mothership is not. It's not dungeons and dragons. It's not shadow run. I would say this falls in these small press indie press os place. What are you Summer Shove John. Tell me more by Tuesday night games Tuesday. Night Games okay. That's the publisher. I have mentioned Don Stroud by name because I know Dan we know of done. We've we've never met. But we know of Don. Because he's set on isn't Tom and Jerry Count. We pumped in the. I don't think he's been to Gary. Khan he's No. I don't know him. And Adam used Iran drake spin run. Swear I've been talking about drunkenly where I was drunkenly talking with John at a convention no fan of Mitch. Down I apologize. Shawna McCoy's on the crew gay. Okay so yeah but It is a Sifi I mean it is literally on the Front Mothership Sci fi horror. Pg So what made you. What made you pick it up. While it has won any award eighteen I think could go and unite talking about Games Yolk bread. I gotta buy the latest any word winner. That's obviously the game for me. That's true but I do think that despite some people's opinions about the any awards and and their feelings about it I do think it brings light to certain games that some of us are always aware of. That's that's a good point by the US from advertising perspective when somebody says hey you know best actor best front person. That film What I didn't even know there was a film. Who is this person all my God? That's that person. Yeah it's enough fair enough. It's pay what you want okay I think it's pay which one might be free actually For the core rules I got the PDF. I did order a print. Copy although I don't think I need to. It is very thin and rules light. It is when you say them talk one hundred pages fifty pages. Do you tell us get. I've got it in front of the reason I asked US focus because sometimes we'll say oh it's not that bad. It's pretty quick. The book the author book is hefty. Dc FD right. Small mean good Games. Initially small print but astonishing source for survivor aura. As a small print north wind at makes the you could kill them in with that book. Yeah so I'll big is a sucker thirty six pages numbered and then at the end of the book is the ship gration flow chart and guideline and then it also has the character sheet and the player sheet. Which are no? They're not they're not part of the number pages so there's some good appendix appendices in the back useful stuff correct so the setting it says space poorer that have official setting or is it like. Hey generic generics patient air corps. Yeah it's not it is that does not have a setting so it is There are pre published adventures. That you can run but it is very much in the spirit of the OS are okay. What means so. If you take the system you know yes the MOTIVA- stuff whatever or even people say. Add was all set great. No yes and kind of I mean there was Blackmore thing was actually the first public Published a quasi setting this thing for for dungeon dragons but it blew anyway backyard coming from so officials setting but does it from a setting perspective. How does it tell you what to do with that So that's a good question. It doesn't really set up a lot of the setting up front in saying. Hey we're setting agnostic and you know Blah Blah Blah. There isn't a lot of that. It's it's very much You tell the influences of the game come specifically from Mike. The Alien Franchise the movie franchise because even the characters that in the classes that are involved. You have an android you have Marines have a team stirred. They do actually reference Ripley in one of the things like. Hey if you want to do this and you want to mimic your character be like Ripley. Then you're going to want to play a teamster. Do they go into the event horizon version of horror in space They they don't call it out specifically but you could certainly play it. I mean the thing about this game. Is that if you want to run a science fiction game with a horror band this this will fit that mold. Now if you're looking for a specific classes like oh I want class that are similar to the expanse right the Amazon. I think it's Amazon now. Used to be the sci-fi here's the they're not because it hasn't picked specific setting. The classes are going to be more agnostic. Generalized like teamster pilot. Correct that type of thing. Yeah I mean there are only four classes if I'm not mistaken so Tia. Teamsters scientists androids Marines. Now you can be a captain of ship. But that's more of a component of probably I would say teamster marine probably fights and that's where you're going to get one of the skills that will allow you to do that. So if you've got the pilot skill then you can qualify as a captain of the ship. I know you're not a big war hammer forty k. Person but do you know enough aboard. I'M FORTY K. To say oh I could do a gene- steelers I could do a chaos versus do you. Does it strike you as you could do? A warm forty K. type adventure with it. I I mean I'm sure if you don't know you know I'm sure there's people out there that could say hey I'm gonNA use mothership to run a F- in a forty K. Setting but I don't think that the the forty K. setting is so rich that I don't think it would be up to Genera size. It would be tough. Yeah it's especially if you only got those four classes you'd immediately say well. I need a psychic. I needed to let you know that even if you took space marines you're going to one of their powers and things with it okay fair enough and it's really is about horror like there is. I mean it's not. Hey we're gonNA play firefly and this we're GONNA USE MOTHERSHIP. That's not that is not the intention of the game. It is literally like imagine every a like the thing would be a great influence right. Oh Okay Yeah keep take the thing put it in space for take thing put on a planet in the group goes down to the planet perfect example Aliens Perfect example which is essentially the thing in space in a weird way. Any weird movie. That has a horror Ben that science fiction that you're like an it may mimic even space travel are Sub Light. Or maybe there is a little bit enough T- LP's to it but it's not star. Trek. It's not it is definitely not star wars Star Wars It is genuinely maybe like even what I would consider. Maybe some good B. movies that hey it start out like it's a exploratory mission and shit goes wrong on the ship and it crashes on a planet and then things are revealed and then you see the trailer flashing back and forth between stunned faces of the actors and actresses and Shit is obviously hitting the fan and things go awry. There's a stress mechanic. That's involved that you inflict upon the player characters which completely ties into panic. You do imperfect here so hold on. Hold on so we. We established the fact that it is setting. Agnostic is designed to do a horror in space perspective. Great so in my experience when you're doing something. Hey this is agnostic setting wise but to get the feel this the thing I think that's average rose does really well is it says. Hey sending agnostic. The central system but the mechanics of that game breads opinion. Anyway really enforce the type of play. They want the economy like this woman. They got that to try to do the fast and furious. I think it works really well I have not learned me. Now we're talking about Hitler he's talking about Hack master at one point Ed Game Khokon and it sounds like it really. The system really helps the drive Bala. And we've said this before I can. I can do the classic. Old School Brat. I can do any game of initiative and watch me go kids but a good system doesn't form the type of play in for something like this. It sounds like they've got mechanical tools and systems stuff to help you. Create. Take whatever setting vision. You want to make it happen so you talked about stress and what was the other one. Hanshin panicked panic. So what when you're setting up When you're setting up the world where what talk. Talk to me about the system. Let's go to the root basic here before we go into some of the other pieces percentiles Dice Pool Twenty Six plus a a coin flip. What are they doing all detention baby detail like a dice pool No just defense. You Need to defense. That's so you are running. You can run. You can roll percentiles. So there's GonNa be a percent check. Most skilled checks run on percentile. You're trying to roll under your skill or attribute and then you have X T ten. So there are. Hey instances where you might roll three D ten forty ten. But typically it's to ten or I'm sorry percentile rolling under the skill and then there's also a interesting kind of Moniker TO THE DICE. Rolling which is x with an underline which is a little unique so the Tutti ten. But it's underline then what you're doing is you're multiplying the result by ten so if the numeral to the letter lower case d. and the numeral ten that whole thing is underlined to ten times ten corrects. You could get two or whatever it is. It's Wendy ten times to end to ten times so it's twenty two two hundred in that correct okay. So That's interesting. Yeah that's pretty much about it. There's really nothing new different damage that we get the ten like. Hey you shoot somebody. This weapon does one determine minus two to ten underscore that everything. Kerr Lemme check the weapons. But I believe that that is typically the case and the weapons are also little on the Genera size space weapons. They are and they've I mean you've got your you know this type of rifle this type of weapon I'll tell you man. There's there's a thing that games like this. Do you have talked about this. I think we were talking about this before with the weapons and if most weapons do a D eight wh why do you what is what does it matter what it's called it's like this? Is the debate weapon good? It's an accident disorder to stick. There's something I I like about the fact that you could say slugged thrower to ten plus two right. That's the thing and go was my slug through our look like I don't care you've got the Colt Python supermax good for you move on so there is renewed really smart rifle does damage Wendy ten underscore okay then sites yup and then pulse. Rifle is five to ten no underscore. How many points is your average dude? Have I'm assuming do how I guess? How do you kill a dude in this I play a character. Non Player characters. It's yeah it's pretty lethal. It's all against their health so their health is derived from. I believe their strengths. So basically they've hit points health points correct yup and it is a very lethal game. I UNDERSTAND IS JEFF has like I said earlier Jeff. Goad from a panic podcast is run this a couple of times and I think at one point he had a T. PK in dead. Plant the adventure that I'm actually running so That's it actually says I think in the game that you typically want to run away you don't WanNa typically fight if you don't have to okay so that's important to me because that invokes the if want to do something like it's been awhile since. I've seen the vent horizon with economic through Lloyd. Type twist to it or one of my favorite weird ass Sci Fi horror games. Is John Wicked. The shutoff look at it now but he did a yellow sign trilogy and there was the World War. Two one which I ran you through Sean with the game whole while a couple years back the first time Joe came to town ran that and then there is one Rio spaceship and things go crazy so this sounds like it could fit that type of bill as well this type of ca through Loyd it horror. You're not gonNA stand fight the monster. It's better to run away type thing right. As a matter of fact there is a mechanic. Where the if the marines panic so some of the classes kind of have some synergies right so for marines in the room In there's another marine in the room they can kind of Feed off of each other. Where if one of 'em panics than it's kind of a demoralizing component. Overbid came over total game over people. Start TO FREAK OUT THERE. Isn't the steadfast? Hold your ground type of mentality and Shit starts to fall apart pretty quick. That's also where we get our five. You're five words for retreat. Which are Marines? We are leaving right. That's where my favorite movie love that. Going back to one going back to the tens though is also what you'll find is because it's in the spirit of the the Os iron for those. That aren't familiar with oocytes old school renaissance. Which is kind of you know. Playing the older games is really what it is and it is. There is kind of A. I don't WanNa say mantra but there is kind of a different mentality with playing those old games which is like rulings over rules There's a lot of random tables Oftentimes skill big list of skills. Not so much. Not so much right. Yeah some would say player player skill over character skills but that could be debated yard right but going back to the d tens and how it is or it's ours. There's a ton of tables like there's a ton of tables in the mothership basic The rules and then. When you get those supplements there's random tables Throughout Dead Planet. And I I don't have a pound of flesh which is another adventure that they published. I'm sure there's different tables throughout that. I mean it's literally I mean. It's usually roll this and it's either percent table or it's like one to ten so even to name your ship there's literally three columns one D ten and you can roll on one one column Second Third Column and you combine all the results and you get your name of your ship. Oh she says no strom. Oh okay. So it's that it's you know. What do you come across? It's like character creation. You get a trinket in the patch role on the table and you get a unique patch One of the guys rolled up Afraid of BS is one of afraid of the. Ats or was it. I don't know if Dans Dans might might know But yeah so it's bread. I think one of the guys roll the patch and it was like red shirt the patch. So there's some images to the science fiction genre on pop culture and so so. Let me ask you this when we when we do that stuff. Some of that has the from horror perspective. One thing that are can have. We'll get I wanNA talk more about the system here in a second before can have some wonderful dark humor right circle my God. That's funny in the worst way. Possible like ha ha ha. They're covered in their own. Blood like sometimes gave them. That's why this is funny. I don't know or Oh my God is head actually did implode As we cheer when the Asshole in the teenage movie he gets stabbed by Freddie that that type of thing. Do you feel that when you read this stuff? You'll mush the red shirt or some of those quasi ha ha tongue-in-cheek You'RE GONNA die. Do you think that trivializes the horror aspect of it or do you think it just adds a nice punctuation for that dark for that dark humor to cup so I think as players we all approach will. I shouldn't say we all many times. We look at a game and have or get. We're all buddies friends. And I think when we sit down at a table we all share different types of humor and I think with role playing games. That's not wholly uncommon like. I think there's always a joke that's made at a table. I think there's levity and I I mean back in the old days it was whoever quoted Monty Python. You shut the fuck up right because it was the money python fast right for those of us who are in their forty S. Maybe maybe maybe the kids they do the same thing but Yeah I get what you're saying. We look for fun and funny is fun cracked so I think that while you can be super serious like this is really serious game. It's like okay like okay. I'm serious now okay. Let's get down to business. There is that and I think that that will come out in any game that you set the tone for so if Brett's GonNa Ron Cauca through or Delta Green or you know chill or call my due to my avalon Gamer Hunker. I've I've known these guys for almost thirty years. Now I've been running games for them. It has a dark component of it. Some under one dude. Lenny's buddy wakes up. He wakes up alive he's got puncture wounds on his neck and maybe there's vampire is crisis. His buddies always dead comes crashing in the in all sorts of craziness this happening. People like That's disgusting and the way Elvis says it is just funny and the way this thing happens you like. Oh my God I could see you saying that and it's funny because it's not funny type of thing right so having said that. I don't think by rolling a patch that says red shirt takes away from the game. The game's overall. Hey this is a horror game thus good it I think it also depends on who the gay master is in which case in this game. It's called the warden. Okay Oh hell warden and then how you set the tone or how the players are I picture in our game that there will be like a more of A. Oh Shit this is gonNA suck. Oh my God of course. It's this right so it probably because of the the gang that I'm running this for It's not gonNA be serious business all the time well. There are certain times when you're watching the horror movie or the story like Yep. Yep Yep I'll ah that chester is going to put his head in the thing that look just losses could sought come and he's the guy that sticks his head and stuff that's just what he does like Chester. He's a moron. Of course my hat and I assume it rips my heart out and I di well yes. It's right why wouldn't it? It's just what it is called art rapper. But also you know as the party walks down a corridor and it's a quite ship if I'm gonNA run sound effects and you hear the home you don't hear anything and all of a sudden everything becomes deathly quiet. You can't even hear the sound of your breath or the respirator. The lights are dimmed. And there's a flicker at the end of the hallway. Somebody's GonNa either make a comment or they're going to break that or they're gonNA to do here. This is really tense. But I bet this is where the Mazda choose my ass off. Yes yes you're on the mall struggle you my ass off right now seriously. He's going to bite you. That's where I'm saying. Is We knowing in your ass? Yes what's GonNa Happen so let's talk more about the the system so I want to. What can I do? I have is this A STRENGTH INTELLIGENCE. Wisdom to sturdy constitution charisma thing or is it. What do you got forced? What are they forced that strength? You know what that does but the such a Masumi indicates how strong I am physically so much I can punch things very good. Brett lifting pushing hitting things hard. That's what I get for gaming since then third grade picked up the skill. That's a vocabulary speed. Faster can move dexterity. Typing it is and it is really reacting under pressure and speed specifically plays a role with initiative. Okay that's good point. Yeah so having said that when you roll speed K or are you role in combat euro against your speed if you succeed on your speed check then you g you go before the Battye. If you crap and don't succeed in your speed check you go after the body. So if there's five it was playing in three of US pass into fail how is it kind of a side by each thing where the three of us that passed? We decide it's Brett. Jeff and SEAN WE PASSED FOR. I lean and fill their their last so Brett. Jeff Sean get to figure out which one of the three of US goes I or does it is there. How DOES INITIATIVE FUNCTION? That's a good question. I actually don't know they bring in Israel. I think it is pretty much you who gets who wants to go before the other is as far as I know. I don't know if anybody else which is which is a make sense to me. It feels very oles art type of thing where you roll the DC x one side. It's side-by-side said based initiative so okay. We've got that. How do I fight so sharp going? Sorry sorry I mean you. Through the strength. Speed and intellect intellect all right in combat combat. Okay so combat sounds Pretty Zephyr. Handy is effort shooting stuff. How good you are at fighting all types of fighting. Yeah very nice simplified. So I don't have to be master of knives and guns I can just be a combat dude. Well and their skills right so there's a firearms other is so so. How extensive is the skill list? All the skill list can get. I mean so Brett. You've played F F G Star Wars. Remember talent trees. Yes right plus five. Xp Plus Ten X. P. and you Kinda went down the trees and in order to get to this one you have to either have one of these two prerequisites reminded me a fee trees. From Pathfinder Dandy Three. Oh three five like oh I wanNA have ultra mega mighty cleave. Better start with Powertek my weather exactly so it is very similar. So there's three levels of skills there's trained expert and there's master and so you have to be trained in order to get to the expert and the Abbey expert in order to get to master and then at each one of those you get a plus onto that onto that skill so in other words so say for example I think Jeff was military training so he picked military training game which is under trained so he gets a plus ten percent so give me a list of skills. Now we talking about like Broad Sword Short Sword Dagger Club like it's firearms knives punishment face. How how? How do the skills breaking down so trained skills? The list of is linguistics. Biology first-aid hydroponics geology zero g scavenging heavy machinery. Computers Mechanical Repair Driving Piloting Mathematics. Art Archaeology Theology Mute Military Training Rim Wise Athletics Chemistry. Okay not a combat skill. Really not really no. I didn't I didn't hear guns. Correct or grenades. Well so that gets into the next kind of level keep going expert bumps things up to plus fifteen percent and then they wreak. Some of some of these are actually all of these will require some prerequisite to trained psychology genetics. Pathology Botany planetology asteroid mining jury rigging Engineering Hacking Vehicle Specialization Aggregation Physics mysticism tactics. Gunnery Firearms Close Quarters. Combat Explosives. Okay so you go. From purely academic or a lot of very basic stuff to now. We're talking space marines. More you know seek you see your close quarter combat stuff firearms on. This is an interesting concept of the game. So if you fire an automatic weapon And you're not trained in it you actually have to take reload action reload action so so there's two you kind of get to actions during combat or have you and if you shoot an automatic weapon which you know this is it's defined as you pull the trigger and it shoots as many bullets as it stop until you stop pulling the trigger because you are untrained. You do not know when to undo the trigger. No that's all it makes sense man. I that you have to take a reload. If you're not trained if you have watched people the first time they use Go to something to elite mundane but yet incredibly dangerous a chainsaw. I I'm somebody does it or you'll watch kids driving cars and they panic and they put their foot down for they. Don't stop and driving star to hit the fucking break and the kids like I don't know what to do. Turn the wheel hit the brake. You're driving removing the first time you used a chainsaw like whoa. Whoa wait a minute let go. It's the dumbest simplest thing but hey take your finger off the trigger kid and guess what the bullet stop spraying. Yeah and it's loud it Kicki in It does a lot of jumpy jumpy. Doesn't want 'em you're aiming anymore. Yeah Okay Cool. Like that yeah. It's pretty cool mechanic. Right is a very simple mechanic especially in which stays true to the ozarks model saying look. Here's the deal you're untrained fuck. You get because you can't do this river and that's why firearms is at an expert level like anybody in. Oh not anybody can just pick up a gun and necessarily understand. I can't use it properly. Which would probably be the mentality at. Why it's at an expert level so that you can you aim at? You can fire it appropriately. I think it makes sense as well. Because when you're talking about this stuff you look at the alien system or any of the Games or games. Excuse me some the setting material that I would think of that space horror. The scientists kind of gets it right. He can pick up the he can pick up. The you know the depending where he is he picks up the the Colt nineteen eleven and starts pulling the trigger in. May Or may not work. Because you doesn't realize he first has to pull a goddamn hammer back. Oh you didn't pull the slide. Oh you didn't properly so the magazine there's a gripping properly the crypt Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. This different things that could cause it not to work properly. Therefore you need at least be experienced. I get it and it fits new genre quite well. I like that so then it goes into master which is at plus twenty percent right at that skill level and it's softened typology Zeno biology surgery cybernetics robotics. Ai Command hyperspace Zeno esotericism and weapons specialization. So the the list on the expert level prompts. I master is significantly shorter also. I should stay. That there are blanks there so as a warden you can if player says. Hey Sean I really WanNa do I wanNA have this specialization? If you want to craft a game setting of any kind you've got room to grow cool like so. I WanNa be a skill check. I'll check my Zeno. Biology percentiles just percentiles role under networks. While so here's kind of how the mechanics overall work right in a in a gist is. You're usually rolling against the skill. Like that and you roll percentile if they're all under and if you roll under succeed if you roll under a new role doubles it's a critical success if you roll doubles and you fail it. It's a critical failure. There are opposed roles are critical success and failures narrative based. Are there definitive rules? Like this is what that means Typically Narrative based okay. Yeah so you know what I mean. Like oh a critical hit. I do double damage or a critical failure. I lose a turn. It's not that cut and dried gives you more room to wiggle cracked. It's it's a catastrophe. Got Yeah now when you do opposed. Checks uniqueness is okay Brad. You and I are GonNa Fight Yep K. You Roll Your combat check. I'm GonNa Roll my combat check got you have a say combat of forty. I have a combat a forty K. You Roll a thirty five. Ira twenty-five who do you think succeeds? We both do so. We both succeed sure but there is that win. You should beat me because you came in even lower and that is not the case mothership in mothership and opposed role is whoever rolls the highest without going over all. Wow that's tricky so I'm fighting. The more from the Zeno Morph has the same principle. Then assuming fight. The Monster Monster has So as you ought interesting about that is. You're pushing the edge failure to win Sir. Those Seriously Ripley in the aliens movie spoilers. If you haven't seen one of these for God's Sakes where you've been trying to do a thing kicked alien out. She's like right on the very verge of I may or may not make this. It's the skin of your teeth win. Right you roll the percentiles. You have a thirty percent chance you rule twenty nine son of a bitch. That's like right on the edge of failure man. That's dramatic winning okay. I get that I like that. That's emulation type of thing. I think is very clever. Yeah that's pretty cool. Yeah so there is some pretty subtle nuances with the game. That are rather interesting. I think either. Pay attention to those pieces because just from euless dish from me listening to you explain it. I'm like Oh that's an admission. Oh that's a piece to and take an together. It's GonNa make a more intense experience. I think prediction brat runs. Brett runs this within six months. Yeah I'M GONNA I'll have to ask shut as advantage and disadvantage as well. Nice out getting assistance from a player character. Taken certain drugs that may enhance them. Or what or maybe not enhance them. So it sounds simple enough with the skill checks and so it doesn't have special social encounter rules or mini games of grappling or anything like that. It's all just a PLAT set a like that. There's an actual so the thing about the game. Two is what I mentioned in session zero retyping as I look up. Mothership House right now as the guys Created their characters within like five ten minutes. There is an actual flow chart to character generation. Like it is roll the stats pick a class. And then when you pick in the class has columns so when you pick the class goes oh these are your columns and based on that column you get bonus on certain things so if you pick marines you get a different bonus than if you pick scientists fair you just fill in the blank. He broke you. Add this and this. Put this in this space. The then your abilities done so it is very. It's very simple character generation very quick but also Shoot for France where I was going with Combat the player cheat sheet is super awesome basic mechanics stat checks. It has saves right so there are sanity. Fear BODY OR ARMOR SAVES CAKE IS. Those are also can be opposed. GimMe a body safe armor safe. There's critical hits failures. I mentioned advantage and disadvantage their skills. And then there's opposed checks like that's the basic mechanics of the whole entire game. It pretty cool lows. There's enough pose mechanics in different components from horror perspective. You get to run the I need to be the bad guy to the big red button. I need to power this door open. I need to say all those stressors that you get out of horror environment. I need to be able to pull this thing off. There's a one in a million chance but I just might make it. You've got to have the ability to make the oppose check of some. You know when Luger draw right that type of thing like it anytime you Faye typically anytime you fail a check to get give or take you. You're supposed to take stress. So how'd you die in this game? So have we talked about lows you a and all your health goes away okay. So there's there's there's no so your your shot or your health pointed gone. You hit point. Your health is eliminated. Can you be stressed to death? no typically stress. Well you can be knocked unconscious but typically stress really plays a role in a panic so okay so if stress can if stress can lead to incapacitated via unconscious that's a gateway drug to death right in Oregon right o clock. Mantra Easter had a guess what you're dead and there's so when you when you hit zero health. Typically you make a body save so just because you hit zero doesn't mean up zero. I'm done I'm dead Daw again. Another horror wonderful thing. Oh I've got. What just energy hit the button there you when I heard horror I mean. Of course I think called Catholic gaming like How are they doing sanity? Insanity Madness and so on you're seeing panic is the phrase. Yeah House. Panic work So that's a good one. That is typically you. Let's just panicked panic. Run away basically. So you would roll for panic. It's a safe. It's typically when you encounter perfect creature us more than half Max your hip points. So that's another thing too so he used to be like in three. Oh if you took mass damage the mass damage rule right which was more than half your total hit points you. Could you have to make a save or you die right? It's something similar to that where you lose more than half your Max Health in one hit than you would make a panic. Check If you critically fail a save See a crew member day. Die Some of those things and when you panic I can't remember. I think obviously you are running away that just just for full disclosure. Sean is not. This is the first time you've done it so I'm girl at you like you're the rules master on this so I appreciate the fact. You know this much this quick but you know less than fifty pages. So yeah it's not it's not overly. I mean I make panel check rolling a critical could mean a variety of things critic Blah Blah Blah. So if you say it's like a crisis checking. Can You die from panic but go go you go insane and die in 'cause panicking die? I guess is the idea. So there is a panic table okay. Dark Camping All Star game table for panic man. Yeah so a panel determines whether you are able to keep your cool under pressure so you make stress check to determine if you're over your current stress. You don't panic and you relieve stress but enroll for panic On the panic affect table to the right and then you add your current stress and the panic effects. Are This laser focus so you so you could be out to kill the monster major adrenaline rush so going from lower to higher roles fair for anxious at each one has a mechanic effect to this. So when you say what happens when you panic you roll on this table. And then whatever that is results and even more stuff so Krypton your rope later that kids there you crippling fear so gain a new permanent phobia whenever you encounter this phobia. Fear Save at disadvantage or gain. Wendy ten stress overwhelmed gained Wendy. Ten stress rattled. Let out a blood curdling scream. Disengaging your stress failure cause you to gain stress. This is what's called a stress. Death Spiral People Stress and failing again ordering are harder so you've role a thirty plus spread near check. Guess what you suffer Catalunya Heart Attack. Die Instant death for me. I love this game. Do you love this game? I'm telling you you'd be like saying I looked up. Drafted is pay what you want suggested. Prices Seven Bucks so for Colonel Loud throw seven bucks at Tuesday night games in grab a copy so it sounds like to me. Oh okay very cool but yeah it's The players cheat sheet which is on the back cover. It will literally outlined combat. Okay do this flow chart overhear. Yes no go to the next one fail succeed go this way and so it's very simple straightforward There's a lot of tables to roll under. I mean if you're in a pinch she could roll on a certain table in some of these adventures and I'll tell you what's going on But it is it's a slick you know it's funny it's you know. Some Games are are made overly simple and that's kind of the uniqueness of it like the one page RPG contest what can you write on a one page RPG where you're not putting a bunch of mechanics into it right and I literally I? The Nice thing is not only the presentation a mothership. So but like literally flow charts the combat and how it's laid out so it's it's not complex but it's not it doesn't insult the intelligence of the player. Yeah I mean this is a toolkit right it says hey this is what you need to have the CEPA game. We're not going to give you a complicated setting. We're not going to give you pages of backstory. We're going to assume that you have an idea that you'd like to run and this is the thing if you're not quite if you read this like. I want to do it but I don't know how you go find dead planet pound of Flesh Hive Mind if you one which is high minded one is actually free on driving looking at now. Mothership the haunting Fourteen They've got stuff right. So there's there's cool shit out there by Tuesday night games that you can get a hold of take a look at and there's some pretty cool stuff you can pull off so even creating a ship like it's hey life support you start with life support if you have. Life support is how many human people are on the ship to give me a number twelve twelve people on the ship. You're going to need at least you're in a divide that by Ten that's how many life support modules. You have to have on the ship up so interesting so I can tell I need. I need to those broken. And if you and you have one life Support Unit. Your whole value is one nice. Yeah so you just go to the next one okay. Select jump drives boop fill that in those are also uses. That are that are less support jump. Treasuries are all tropes within that horror space or a space in general theory right. You're stuck on a ship. We've talked about this before. Like the pirate ship thing or whatever you need to puncture the hull you need to the life support has gone. One of my favorite old firefly episodes was when their delight support starts that they can't make oxygen. They're starts to get people leave. Whatever the whole episode is around the fact that they don't have this piece one stupid piece of hardware like this size. Lsi's football and you know it'll kill you because you don't have air. Don't have admiral. What caused it? What broke it you go to look at it. It's got green slime on. It's been burned by acid. Some what the WHO the fuck it. Now and it goes downhill from there. It starts bad in only gets worse you know. The asteroid passes through punctures. The hall destroys something and Next thing you know you've got Colorado space in space. Wow very cool. Is there anything else about this game? That I mean so. This is cool everything you said. What about this when I saw it drew to was it? I mean I gave you shit. They use an origins award winner. But is that what you're what made you think? Hey I gotta check this out because I've seen copies of it. I'm looking here on drafts. Unique you cannot get a print edition on drive through so I don't know where you can get a printed get it at exalted funeral exulted funeral. Okay I've got one on order. It's taken them a little longer. I remember seeing them at Carrie. Kahn a hard copies I always passed it by. For whatever reason somebody gives us you could gain Micah. So's one hundred million other things to figure out what it isn't going to buy. But what drew you to finally pull the trigger on the sucker you know I had heard about it and it was in passing and I thought you know I'm GonNa check this out and see what the hype is and you know as pay what you want thicket through them. You know five ten bucks whatever and when I started like just reading it or looking over the layout and how things are put together I was just I mean do we talked about innovation and RPG's and we have a long ways to go but this game is is it. Just I put these guys in a room and go us how we should do it. I gotta give them a lot of props men because there's a lot of games that are out there that are just not easy to figure out. It's complex and I don't say we you and I we've been in the hobby for a while so it stuff where we yeah okay. It's a three hundred page rulebook. No big deal. But that's Charlie season rulebook have served multiple masters here right. They have to be a textbook. Deaf to be instruction manuals. They have to give you setting material the letter F ing. I think that they did which is smart. And some people do not like this and there's no fault against people do not like it is. There's no setting included by no included. I believe you're able to focus back on the critical. What makes this thing do what it's supposed to do and stay to that? You don't have to say oh. In order to emulate the fact that this takes place on steady Alpha five which is the mother ship setting. You have Taboada block low self promotion year when I did the I want peace like. I didn't worry about guineas the five mechanic I said. Here's the setting. Here's how you run the setting with that system. I didn't have to retread how you do advantage. In after retread any of that stuff I could just focus on what makes avalon avalon. And then what they've done from telling me is scrap that piece of it focused on what makes the experience the experience from me rules and system to really help drive the experience perspective. How do we do that? We do this way. Cool for seven to ten bucks you can. You'll see and hear some adventures figuring out dish. See this as a campaign type of game or do you see it as More of a one shots only say one shots we can define that differently. But I'm talking like you know you do see this. Oh if I ran this last as long as you or do you see the saying. Hey four or five sessions I think. Jeff and somebody mentioned it in the chat Earlier where I think Jeff. Teepee cade his party the I ninety ran dead planet so so but he even said during our session. Zero Dead Planet could be run lots of different ways. It really depends on the ward. It could depend on what the warden puts the crew. The situation you know. That's a very old start up. Approach to that when you're playing a game if you're playing eighty hell even second edition. Biak's dungeon crawl classics any of the OS are styled systems. You could fucking die thing and you could run your character to a level and then he crooks make a new one so the last question for is there a from a campaign perspective? Some people have said to me that they don't think a game has campaign potential because characters don't grow right where even call casula x band. Your skill sets by rolling dice and getting better at something. Is there an experience point? Character grow thing or is or not so much there is yeah you can get you can get experience points so it is a game where you can kind of quote unquote level. Yeah cool so there is that you can run a campaign. I would see dead planet as so. I'm running dead planet. Once it's done it's done whether they succeed or fail so there is no reason why you would not be able to have an ongoing campaign because there is some would say maybe some more highly fallacy rates that it. But it's like you know be X. men you you create a magic user be x four points and your stub your toe in your fricken done so but at the same time these guys like even the ship I have to create like what. What kind of ship should we get in size and I said well it probably makes sense to get a ship that carries like twenty guys because when they die things go into the ship and Mike grab another one you know private. Brett ski come forward on the next mission that surgeon. Kelly out here you need. You need the bodies again with you if you had a party of five and nearly only ones on the ship and one of them dies and then maybe this isn't like old school the auto back to town and get some pilings bringing all your hirelings with your kids. You can't hire can hire mercenaries in this game. Watch what we say is packed them in the in the industry Kids you know if you can. I like it. And that's another thing too is like in the in the spirit of hireling this and all that mercenaries that you can actually do that in mothership as well and there's a small like little NPC sheet and they have certain attitudes that role on a table Depending on what you get so some are cheaper than others name. They got named job. Hint hits combat instinct loyalty and notes. And so you could the crew. These guys could hire extras nice song. Kuhlman what's good? We're getting a little bit longer but not too bad. I think this is this is good. You got my interest definitely interested to see Held the next session goes and what the final after action report is all right. Let's get an indirect wholly. He's all right good stuff that chip Brett. He's GonNa run this watch question. All right Darrell Moody for Miscellaneous Week or you WanNa bring to you few this week. I'll go through them really quick. Excuse me Renou Renault Barton because English is not his first language Exalted Exalted Veils Kickstarter. Coming exalted. Veils is the land of mystery bathe by Mystic Energy the utter most strange phenomena occur. They're the most impressive of them are called by the inhabitants. The mantis stations. So if you WANNA check that out you don't have Lincoln here the mothership you dummy ship in there that'll be in their head all right next. One dejesus bright. You want to check this one out too. Yeah Yeah it's all. Pdf's are free to download watched the trailer on Youtube. It's it's so it's thanks to Irwin a Rodeo At six more vodka studio letting us know so emailed US and said. Hey our tabletop. Rpg. We're giving it away for free via PDF You know for ages play primal punk. Rpg in it is an interesting game to say the least the year twenty seventy three brings destruction from unity war. Yeah the arch. Oh my God. Yeah Oh my God. The artists phenomenal end. It is very scary. Oh my God Dude. Yeah spin diamonds here man. These guys must've been at work for a long time. Rpg Obviously straight out of Europe. So LEX Maguelonne Zavala. Made two thousand minis that you can print at home. Dini's specifically so more INFO at poly gone My Buddy Nick. Just got a three D. Printer because you stuck at home. He's like that's it. I'm buying a three bedroom like nick price. He's making rank orange. It the next one. D Five E ARADO. Sage advice compendium as out. Thanks Joe Swick for pointing this out So if you WANNA get up to speed on that. That is out wizards of the coast website last but not least at. Dm D D M. David blog started a thread on twitter about the quirks of de. Check it out. Thanks to Joe Swick on this one as well so the quirks that he has in twitter is the The weird things like the daylight spell does make daylight yes by really an object from PC TO PC and consecutive turns a group can make the object outraced jet in six second round. So this reminds me I have. I think I still have. Murphy's rules of Gaming which was a pyramid magazine thing. The Steve Jackson put out. It had Wonderful things where in can't remember which game it was considered I think we've ruined quest. Children are considered a nuisance. Animals yeah it was. It's just wonderful fun crazy shit like that. How cool workout. So it's cool. If you put something in there I I was reading. It was kind of hilarious. So but that's it that's all I had for this week Brett. Excuse me. I don't know we're GONNA talk about next week. This was pretty cool dude. Thank you very much for sharing which you know. Figure it out. We'll get some time we do all right. Thanks for everybody. That's tuned in via discord. And which thank you so much? Be Sure to follow us. We'll take this recording on youtube as well. Otherwise I WANNA. You're Sean branch tonight. Gale this episode of gaming in this brought to you with the help from the following Thurs Cram Minor Corey. Win Larry marked Asaka pure Mongo Chris. Do Ray Otis. Ron Bishop Thomas Hook. Weiner Humphry Craig Brandon Bars Laremy Wall. Dan Lavallee Jason Hop Sky old school. Dm Perry Bizarre. Jim Fitzpatrick John Keyword. Cora Gonzales Eileen Barnes Robert Nemeth Nile diamond. 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Do you know what I mean? Bright, right you want to make them suffer Jackie O on the side I would argue that what you're actually doing is incentivizing them to drag it out longer. Okay. Well, it's just it's because it's it's that good. Okay. Thank you you too youtube kind. You are looking healthy and beautiful yourself met. And now you're a hiding under a hat. I. Don't know I'm fine. It's DNC Week Dancy League. Hundred and eight degrees single. I don't have a take. I don't have fucking fresh thought in my mind. Between the extreme heat and the. The you know, hey, look we're. Democrats but not like that 'cause here's Colin Powell. Of It, all it's like it's all it's squeezing the life out of me. Did we get Sarah Gideon introducing Maggie Rogers on a rocky main beach. Yes, we did. That was great. What have Maggie Rogers have to say she didn't say anything she. she said because. You know. Telethon type concerts from early in the you know. Michelle Obama speech, of course was was beautiful rousing. Didn't care for it. She's a perk human. That's what I'm saying it's like, what can I say about this or any fucking current event that everybody has said? Yeah, it's just to me to me here. Let me let me bring it back to the subject matter of this podcast to me. The this week feels very much like coming out to a conservative family. Like different but exactly the same like don't worry breath challenge you in any way I'm not GonNa make change your position. We're never going to mention Medicare for all. We're never gonNA mention police brutality we're never gonNA you know black lives matter is not really going to have a place here like we're not. WE'RE NOT GONNA speak to any of the things that progressives fucking screaming and fighting for justifiably. They're screaming fine. Justifiably they're not ignoring you know what I mean. It's just very much like we're basically Republicans. Let's get this weird crazy person out which is noble in its way, but also like kinda frustrating. ANC is it is. What a shock? But. Speaking of coming out. Yes. There's nowhere to go with that. It's just it's a half a rather that look. We've we've really enjoyed the flesh hunger journey I hope it continues in many ways, but we are kind of settling into a meet. Cute. Yeah. Moment you know a new mood I'm you're talking about you're talking about hot sexy stories. At a time when nobody can touch. It's frustrating it's frustrating for the listener. It's disrespectful. The people that we can't touch anybody we titillate them, and then it's just like well, you're at home with your parents. So to we're GONNA take it all the way back to G. rated PG right at the most. Yeah. With these meat cute stories. Soliciting from you to tell us first time you met the love of your life or just a just a great meet cute that you have baby with somebody ever saw again that was extremely memorable. Give us your hallmark channel moments and you have we have got a ton already We got our first one. We have not yet read this one. Dive fresh cold read. Let's dive in. Okay Hi. Dave my name is David Hello David a couple of years ago I went to a Halloween party with a friend dresses a Transylvanian. which the kind which are kind of the extras or partygoers of the Classic Rocky Horror Picture Show needless to say it was a very niche costume is that Niche And Dot is iconic. I. I'll share not as Konica recognized Dr Franken further firm further further. Fair. But I was very into it and felt cute plus I don't think I coulda pulled the doctor Franken for if I'm being look if I'm being honest. Okay. At. The party I was approached by Guy Dresses nickelodeon arnold cartoon best friend. Gerald. That is a real deep cut he pointed in screen. Or Transylvanian. Shocked that someone even knew what I was as screen back at him. Yeah I love your costume. He replied I, Love Yours and Dave. What happened next I'll tell you what felt like a good opportunity for an introduction or conversation fell short due to the bars crowded and loud atmosphere and my lack of flirting ability. It's tough to flirt allowed bar especially. Ginette, do it naturally two months later in late December on Grindr and started talking to this guy we were having great chemistry. But I'm not on any dates yet. We were discussing favorite holiday movies and I told him mind was home alone two because Tim Curry is in a fan of his work especially, the rocky horror picture show it told them how at Halloween I went to a party as Transylvania and got recognized by one guy and that kind of made my night because I knew my costume was to specific now this. is where the story takes a very Noor Ephron. You've got mail twist he told me he was guy who recognized me he complimented me and told me I looked very cute. What are the odds of had a meet cute in person and I didn't even know it until it was digitally formalized months later Matt What has happened. That realization made us have a bigger connection, but we couldn't go on a date because I was visiting my family for the holidays we talked from Christmas to New Year's almost every day in. January for our first date six years later, and we're still going strong. It's social media dating APPS. It's harder to have a meet you glad that it worked out for us the way it did and that Barr interaction grew into much more with a little help from the Internet. Takes us on PS. I love your podcast and shine light on different queer issues. It's amazing to get to hear from other queer people and their experience in life going up and dating some of them really resonate with me and at times helped me reflect and understand myself even more. With Love David M. David. Show in the first place. That is adorable. A party goer from Franken. House is way more recognizable than anyone from hey arnold I don't even think I would recognize. The absolutely, not let alone his best friend Gerald. This was obviously meant to be David. We love you and really appreciate you and rolling. Little shocked that your favorite Tim Curry movie is home alone two and not. Holiday Movie Got Favorite Holiday. Okay, okay okay that's fair. Clue how is it not clue how did not clamp? Thinking top David m get it in here. Get it in. Home Affiliate Padres G. Mail DOT COM Senate You can do a voice note you can do you can write a essay you can do whatever you can do it as a poem you can do it as a song. You're free to do what you want. Any old time home affiliate, pod, Edgy, mail, DOT COM. Also, we are soliciting five-star reviews were basically soliciting compliments and I'm so glad we are We got a great one from Courtney in La just recently. I. Gave This podcast to try because I'd read Dave's Book Party One. Thank you and loved it. 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But if it was one, hundred, eighteen yesterday than today feels lovely like one hundred, zero. To break from the heat, poof. Yeah. It's Nice Oklahoma. People taking seriously is is lockdown or people mashed up what's going on? It's tricky to save for me because I'm pretty serious about it. So I stay home and I really only go to the grocery store or the doctor and a, but it doesn't seem it doesn't seem like people are being too loose like it's like people are trying to be serious and. Just great. Good What has been a typical day in your life in quarantine lately. It's been a little bit um a tricky kind of getting back to normal. I had a recurrence of stickler cancer recently. So just got done with Chemo and So I'm kind of getting back in the groove. You know my hair starting to grow back a little bit and. I'm starting to get a little busier with work stuff and some resettling but I try to start every day I go for a walk in the morning for it gets too hot. Little Dog till gets me up pretty early. So she and I, go outside and. And then new just the day off. You look like a new marine recruits. I feel about that right now. Yeah. In a good way I just started bootcamp. Yeah. I'm all in I'm all in I love it. I used to be so stressed about my hair, you guys like what do I do with a style? What's important with? What's what's the what are the trends and no one I lost all of it it was such a relief and the now I'm starting to get back into the what do I do and grows back you know. It's been nice to have it short. Yeah you look great with long hair and with very little hair which. Very few people can do either of those things. I was so scared of what was under there I was so scared but it. Has Not Terrible, and so I feel like I. dodged a bullet. You did. Your blasts What have you been watching consuming pop culture wise. I mean umbrella Kademi right now. My Boyfriend Stephen I. We just watched season one again to get US ready for season two and I think we're in like episode five and I just I just love it. Umbrella Cat Academy what is the like log line of? I'm sorry. That's all right. I'm a big NERD. So it's basically. Five five people with sort of superpowers who were raised by like in accenture billionaire to stop the. Apocalypse. So, there was an apocalypse and season one ED stop, and now we're in the thick of us some dramas in season two. And there's a talking monkey Butler there's a talking. Monkey Butler. Yeah Yeah. Yup what am I waiting for and listen that right? This is the that's. Got It off I paid. Great. Fun namic it's beautifully shots and. It's just really fun. It's fun. So Stephen I cook dinner and then we get into it and we're going to tell but I also love old guard. We watched that recently that was amazing. We just finished the Howard Ashman Doc, which was also tomorrow. Yeah. So we're hungry for content Renault. Starving for it and yes days. Yes. We started the umbrella academy, end the magicians at the same time, and there were so similar and we couldn't decide what you wanted to go with. So we just stopped watching belt. What listen that's an easy choice that was made the you made easy as you just got out. You just got but I mean listen we've got nothing but time right now. So we'll probably dive back in and it will probably be the umbrella academy. Okay. All right I hear you I haven't seen the magicians but I hear great things about. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. With music what are you? What are you? What are you brave enough to share your last three spotify searches I'm not afraid of you. So spotify I'm not a spotify person to be honest with apple music whatever I know. I'm so I'm boring with music to last thing I listened to was the motion picture soundtrack for Moulin Rouge. That's sort of that's fantastic. When I'm on my walk that's like my morning Goto platelets, I, cut out ones that I don't love. But You know I keep the good ballads you know and I'm just listening to you Nicole just live there truth and that's exciting. It will run for fifty years. That's right. Steve is really good with the new music. So sometimes while he's cooking, he'll put on his his music and I'll say, well, who is that what is that from and it's all mistreats me but but yeah, he's like our new music guy thank goodness for hammer it'd be. It would just be that in the bodyguard over and over somebody somebody's got to be clued. We know what the bodyguard is. Fantastic. Not Nothing. Yes. Is that a massive like you know I didn't really know that soundtrack until much much later it wasn't until I. was like out of school in New York City, and hearing queen of the night on a regular basis. Interesting. To know. The rest is very sad. Yeah. Yeah very sorry now who album is so is so so great. So and those my favorite movie you know when I was younger I don't know. So lots of nostalgia. Belgium why not? It's a good time to to. Hearken back to better moments. Yes. I agree. Yeah. I can't I can't I reviewed some stuff that I wrote in two thousand eighteen about how terrible the world was since just adorable. Funny Perspective of two, thousand, twenty all changes so fast. Yeah. I had no idea. How could we add it? To your other favorite childhood movies childhood such as. I loved don't tell mom the babysitter's dead your hand scene at the end where they do the sort of fashion show thing I wanted to have that kind of life. And I remember one time having turning it up. So loud I was just jamming to them doing this fashion show in my debt home for work was like what the Hell's going on up there you're gonNA blow the speakers, the TV. So, that was my business. And Tomlin guys I was in a rural order Louisiana and I just related to the country sadie so much wanted to be city Sadie so bad. So those are my those are my go to films. Oh Man, that's raise Madeira. Having us. So you are now in the middle I mean you you are the book has just been published. Board Yes Stars Board Day was July twenty eighth without the world. Fresh out that is it's a crazy time. Right? It's a crazy time to be doing this. I got to watch Steven he's he's on his third book now and I got to watch him release the first two and they're all the book signings and crowds here and there, and then he traveled for all of it and the now me it's GonNa Blank. I'll setups. Though. It's been it's been different, but it's also been lovely everyone's been so kind and to be honest, there's a little bit of pressure off like I. Don't feel like I have to Know. In some ways like if the if people like. About the book I'm like well dependent. It wasn't traveling around knocking on doors often the staying. So I just kind of doing what I can and. I'm okay with it. Reaction No. That has not at all been there. I'm really lucky. I'm really lucky people. So is it just wall to wall? zooms phone costs no. Now no one. No one cares that much I wish the the first week though was back-to-back phone calls for radio stations mostly back east. So yeah like wake up at four am and talk to Ron in the morning and. That kind of things and you really really I didn't know what to expect before it started. So it'd be like Ron's dynamic adventure and be like, okay. Let me get rubbed for Ron and then Ron. Online. Let's talk tonight ever. It was always a little bit of by what's happening and they're all Erkki, because their sleep deprived I guess and all that. But so anyway, those were my morning back to back calls. That's the lighten up now. Those are disorienting as hell. Yeah. Because it's gotta be it's gotTa. Feel like the first time every time doing. A lot and they're so different. My favorite was this one guy who was like. Alright. Byron. So here's how it works. We're, GONNA. Get you talking in know this is about you you say what you got say you hit your bullet points. If s something weird you just answer whatever you want and you just go to the next thing you know like I spoke maybe like ten words the whole time like just like this is just going to town he's living in full life you know. Is he going to town on your book? Is You? Got US talking about the book after every answer, it would be like and we're back with Byron. Lane. With a star is board is a great book. You know just all that kind of thing like reintroducing. The only thing that made it odd to me was that he was sort of like it won't be that and then. On in it's very much. So yeah. Yeah. So how did it come to be because I? I mean I remember just Seeing on facebook this beautiful posts that you wrote you know years ago when Carrie Fisher pass about your time with her and and was so. Moved by it and move what was that the beginning of the journey to writing this it really was. So I had worked for Carrie Fisher versus in for three years and then yeah when she passed away, I wrote that host and that was the beginning of of reflecting on how important that relationship was to me the ways in which it changed my life, and in any way save my life and and so then I I started writing about it and ended up with the stars board and I wasn't sure at first. Avenue, it would take in terms of What have you walk? Would it be a script? But but there was just so much and before you know it, it just felt like a novel and it felt. It felt like something I wanted to share with the world. She is someone who Turns her own life into arts. D Do do you think that she knew at some point that you would write something like this? She hired me because I was a writer and former journalist and she used to say to me all the time There would be little things that would happen and she would jokingly say, don't put this in your book. There's always a sense of Lake that spirit but the truth is she was really she lives her life and Open Book Like Carrie Fisher Day, ABC secrets she was. Honest and open about everything and and she used to say to people take your broken heart and go make art and that's that's one of the things that I have echoing in the back of my mind as I was working on. This is Aching taking my heartache and turning it into something positive. So it's obviously it's a novel it's a fictionalized account and you say A. The making the for what you say if you really want to know this isn't really about, Fisher, if you want to know about Derek Fisher read her own her own work which I appreciate but I also and I'm sure many people. Still, read this as if this is like A. Exact account of what happened to you with the names changed. How is that accurate? Will this is fiction and I wrote it that way because it's it just more fun. You have more creative opportunities you can heighten everything including the things that happen to. Charlie, the assistant, the things that happen to Cathy, the actress Charlie's family, and also carry herself used to like to write in this way, take take real life and let it inspire fictionalized version of it all it's also the kind of thing I like to read So just felt like a natural fit to to make. But some of the stuff is inspired by is inspired by real life like I had a great time working with her like every day was Super Fun. I think we both. Care for each other great deal. There's lots of trust and respect in great communication and we did travel all around the world and I'm just some poor kid from Louisiana and all of a sudden I'm with. Princess Laya in some Emperor's Palace in. Japan. That's been converted into a hotel that you can only get to by river, and so I did have some of those experiences and so I tried to capture the spirit of that time together and and put it in the book but for the most part the the dialogue is obviously made up and you know some of the scenes and carrying I also didn't have a lot of drama like we kept things normal and. We had good communications. So the book also had to manufacture some plot so. That's why it just it really is fiction. Can you give us a little reading if you don't mind they, I'll I'll be. Done this before. Exciting to me. All right. So this is a bit art. So you've got this character named Charlie whose whose? Life's not going the way he wants, and he gets this opportunity for a job interview with his idol this movie starting Catholic Canon. So he has arrived to her mansion. He gets buzzed in the front gate. He runs up her her walkway and this him a shortly after he knocks on her door. The air seems to thin out to make way for her front door swings open like ember shooting up from a fire. She appears her hair blowing back by the door and e cigarette dangling from her mouth her eyes widen her lips part and she says, Hello I'm Catholic Canon from jaws three I hold my breath and stare at her Catholic. Canon to Lara real and living barefoot into shoveled dressed in a flowing black robe over loose black T. shirt and. Tattered Black leggings she's wearing no makeup no palmer circumstance. No fucks to give faces tired. But alert the Milliyet mysterious g looked so much like the woman I remember from my childhood movies yet done in gravity time like sometimes disguised like some kind of mass that's taken up residence upon her leaving her both in old beautiful acquaintance and a strange fresh new one you answer your own door I, blurt a mix of surprise, an enchantment as my eyes adjust to. Her, like they're suddenly seeing daylight. Yes. She says, we had a butler, but he died in the Pantry a few years ago who were you? I'm Charlie and I'm a big Fan. You don't look very big. She responds intimidatingly sharp for being. So tiny by foot one with all that light squeezed into that little frame she grabs the door as if ready to slam it on me, I'm here for the personal assistant job I say not the colonic Ashby says. Disappointed, yanking the e cigarette from her lips leading her hand flopped were side her shoulders slumping her other hand still holding the front door that he had sway slightly closed than opened enclosed as if she's considering excitement drains for my limbs a Kolanik. This is why I was granted such quick entry. She expected someone else not who she wants. Of course sorry I start feeling the magnitude of the not completely unexpected moment unforgettable hero has forgotten. We had an appointment. Shame horror foolishness except I noticed kathy cannon beginning. The smile she stands up straight POPs the e cigarette back in her mouth. Let's go to the front door allowing it to swing open active. She says smugly raising eyebrows proud of herself. Wow I say speechless entranced. Just fucking. With you Kathy says dryly come in. She turns casually walks in the wonderland that is our home motioning for me to follow. She moved with ease comforting call at odds with the commanding surroundings were in the definition of a great room with vaulted ceilings and a huge disco ball. The size of an oven affixed high overhead sunlight from skylight is hitting the Little Square. There's the ball and sending twisting and twirling bits of pinks and blues and purples all around the far wall is covered in antique portraits of animals. Someone's beloved cat aristocrats precious dog bird that looks suspiciously like Sean Penn have he turns back to me as I pass through the doorway a please wipe your feet. She says, the floors are made of endangered trees. But Then was over. Yeah. That's right. That's the exact section that I was hoping you would read this. Is Charlie meeting her. Where you talked about how? That relationship saved your life in some ways. Where were you in your life? What were you up to wind job came along? So I had studied journalism in college I wanted to be a big fancy news anchor and anchor the today show and all that stuff live in New York of the fancy life. So I started as a writer in New Orleans, and then I got a job as like a news reporter in Alexandria Louisiana, which was like market two hundred where the biggest story was like. Someone dented the stop sign like nothing. And I couldn't get a job after that I look young. No, one would hire me and. Finally. I got lucky and got a job as a reporter in Vegas. TV News reporter in Vegas, but it was for like a cable channel that the CVS affiliate owned. So I worked there for a while work off in eventually they promoted me to their morning news reporter for the CBS affiliate. Job was really depressing. I would get to work at midnight listened to a police scanner with a photographer. We would drive around from crime scene to crime scene you're. Totally, crawler guys. So it was like the craziest Shit that happened in the middle of the night that those reminds stories and then when seven o'clock rolled around, put my tie on. Try to brush my hair and and then do a live report on whatever was the worst bloodiest thing and so I was in Vegas for three years that was a terrible depressing nightmare of sleep deprivation all that and then I left to Vegas. Vegas story though so I'd Anorak Vegas story you're yeah. Every biggest experience in same thing sleep deprivation and terrible deeds that sometimes ended blood. Day. Tired bloody and tired. So. Then I ended up in La I had some friends who worked at CVS to Geico nine who got me a job interview as a news writer there. So I just kind of the the only position that was really available for five days. A week was a writer for the overnight show. So I did the same thing I showed up at midnight I would type the copy that when the teleprompter for anchors to read, and I did that for like seven years and in the meantime during the day I would I would go on additions trying Jamaica of life with acting and writing and all that stuff but But, that's what I was doing at the time. So I was I was on the graveyard shift I was down the dumbs and and then I got an email from a friend who worked at Gersh where Carrie was represented at the time in my friends like, Hey, when we're Princess Leia she's looking for an assistant who has a writing background and I thought. I'm not happy here. Why don't go run and I go meet Wow. Were you were you worried about? Because I mean you know celebrity assistants have great stories that are usually stories of? Personal Trauma. At at work where you were you concerned about moving into that line of work it all. Yeah. So I was worried I was worried one. This was at a time when people were starting to do a lots of reality shows. So it was like she doing a reality show like I don't want to be a part of that and then I tried to watch everything I could about her and so some of those things were kind of like. She's very, she's a complicated lady. Watch her and her mom on Oprah and stuff and Mike Oh she was in the middle of doing wishful drinking. So she was that was all about her family and drug addiction and all that stuff. So I definitely had concerns that this be like a a crazy thing, and my ego was also a little bit. You know in my head because I was going from a career as a journalist. Do now is going to be an assist. Though I had all that kind of BEBOP and round up there. But then when I met her, it was like. Her home was immediately disarming you. You can see her house in the documentary that she did on. HBO. It was just bright and beautiful and and spacey and more like an artists colony than some rigid mansion She wasn't She wasn't crazy busy at the time that I was working there. So. Her schedule was very chill and she's very chill person and our meeting really ended with her being like what You seem groovy and that was sort of it. Do. Seem groovy I feel. Dave? Thanks yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah! Can we talk briefly also about the the other woman in your? Life. TILDA Swinton the SWINTON. Yeah. I will say everything about your. I was your relationship with her. So I wish the real till the SWINTON was a a real part of my life. But a really I just wrote a play called Tilda swinton answers an ad on craigslist Andhra. Basically a Stephen and I adopted a dog and she's the blond and beautiful. But also a little weird looking and we should name after Tilda swinton that's come till his brand. and. So we've got this dog be around and she's got one I. She's invest and I wondered what it would be like to live with the real Tilda swinton. So I wrote this Rojas play Tilda swinton answers now on craigslist and Tom Lang from buffy the vampire slayer and he's famous on Instagram for doing like a red looks out of garbage. Plays Tilda Swinton and marked. You'd Sullivan is in it and Jana, whistle and directed by Tom. Treanor. So this this group of five friends we all got together. We started doing this play and then it Kinda started catching on, and so we did it in L. A. and San Francisco and New York, and then we went to Edinburgh fringe twice and we did a two weeks London it's this weird life of its own. It's been a it's been a really lovely lovely experience. All that is shut down now but but. Wild ride. Yeah it's such funny play. Thanks. Fran is such funding play. We got close to until the Swinson Real Tilda swinton connection and Edinburgh on link was handing out fires Tilda swinton play Tilda Swinton, play, and is beautiful. Young Blonde woman came to she goes Tilda Swinton. She whips a flyer out of his hand and says this my aunt does she know about this and I'm like Oh shit you know It's really loving. Lung portray will you WanNa come bring your friends and sure enough. She came that night and she got her friends and had a great time and we're showing pictures of her with Solta and so that she'd tell her her aunt about it and we never heard anything more but it was a really it was really fun experience. Oh, that's great. She knows about it. You know she knew for sure and you know I've heard of other celebrities who get a little bent out of shape when their their name and likeness is used in art like that. But TILDA swinton seems like she is a major like like she does the stuff where she sleeps in a glass box in a museum and. Characters in disguise and all that stuff. So I, think she did she. She takes a nap for you that about us. Who Does that? Yeah. Yeah. She's she's down for some some weird shit that's right. That's right. James Frank. Not Sleeping in museums and Lena Julie's not going to be hanging out in disguise. Yeah. God. No Sheila Booth yes but he's not going to be cool. Yeah it's a whole different experience was shot. Yeah. Very different experiences Shyla buff, right. So you are in palm springs with with the boyfriend yet tells about your talking about your romantic situation. Even I met this is our anniversary tomorrow tomorrow will be seven years. and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. It's really my first long term serious relationship. So, proud of that and we met on Okay Cupid and I. I actually just proposed. Those in the acknowledgments of the book. And I knew that I saw I don't instagram. That's right. Yeah. So I was. I was not sure about that. We. Had talked about marriage for a long time but we never settled on anything or you know made any final decisions of whatever and so I thought well, it isn't every day. I have a book coming out. So what if in the knowledge that section of the book I asked him to marry me and but I know a stressed out at the time was going through. Chemo. But I was going to do it. I needed to do it because the advance reader copies were already printed. The hardcover was just going to the printer. So I reached out to my editor knows like I WANNA do it and we can I add a few words, the acknowledgments and he said What, what are the words? What is on its way? The Prentice? Marry me and I made some calls in some emails and whatnot and he was like, sure. So we added in there and then he fresh off the printer, rushed it out to me out here and I opened it up and I showed Stephen I was like, Hey, I added some stuff to the section about you. You know hope okay and he's like what he opened up the gasped and then said, yes, it was really sweet. I was really. Giddy I felt. That is incredible and also extremely bold because there's a lead time. Yeah there. It takes a long time now. For books to get printed and stuff and so much fun by how long it takes but that's took. Off Yeah and the stakes are high because here they're going to be in every copy and intact like after he saw it. He told the some of his relatives propose knowledge of the book and they were like wait that's in every book you know. So it's in the library of Congress. Now's owes like yeah. But it worked and there's a chance you could have said no force and I don't know I. Would have had cereal for a second book. A second play this. Rage fueled my creative lie creative products for years. So you got to novelist under one roof in palm springs crazy. It is. Well is it I? Guess is the question why feel really lucky because? I've had lots of questions about this process and I can just shout out like Hey Steve What about this and he's been so kind about answering whatever I need and. I would say so like pros and cons for me, it's the it's pro pro pro like these whatever I need for handling one con might be Byron House. A lot of questions you know but we we share our work with each other and that's really fun and rewarding, and we also get a little bit of the are creative processes a little bit similar where we like to work, and then like take a break and check out or before the pandemic, it would be like, Hey, do you WanNa have? Popcorn for dinner and at a movie and so we were able to kind of get on the same page with that kind of. That kind of stuff. So it's actually manage. Nice. Are you when you give each other feedback art ed I said no-holds-barred. Yeah. Yeah we're both pretty honest might style of notes is I give people, notes, Steve Notes the way I like to get note. So prescriptive. So a lot of my notes are like like more of this more and more of this Steve's notes are a little bit more. Bigger Picture Kinda thing like he'll say like he might be more descriptive like, oh, great. Here's the mainstream wear and he's own market just in general you know. Sometimes like that. So we have a little bit of a different style, but I think it I think it serves us both. Yup. It's a delicate dance I've with A. Fellow TV writer and we are. Read everything give each other feedback but it's I think that he has probably bitten his tongue quite a bit because he knows, Oh, there's only one correct answer to I if I'm too honest about this. We're done. Hi, folks. Yes very. What would you needing and? Consuming when you're ready to buck. Were you looking to is sorts of inspiration I. I will say I find it harder to. To read and get into a novel writing loan. So that was tricky but I but before I carry us to do this thing where she would read before she would write and she kind of felt like it was. Filling the coffers getting the rhythm down that kind of thing and. So if I if I had to look back on things that I, kind of us to get me inspired a, I read a lot of chuck, Pawlak I fucking Love Chuck Palahniuk all his books are dark and crazy but they also are feel like you're freight train like you are moving. From from the I, feel like fight club starts with a guy with a gun in his mouth you know and and I do like to have any guns in this book but I do like to have I do like to write in a way where. It's moving it's moving. So this starts with the him at the gate and then next chapter is him at the front door you know. So I, try to take a little bit of inspiration from that. So I think that that's probably my thing. So I did read Fight Club a zillion times, beautiful monsters, invisible monsters by chuck onyx also another favourite. So he was sort of my he sort of my go-to guy. Would you grow up reading? Move I used to like What was that book about the doldrums? Now terrible titles But I like to I like more fantasy type stuff and but also wasn't an the books that I did read were Were honestly few and far between because I mostly was into TV. I was in Deke Man and and then later on these movies that mentioned earlier like big business and all that stuff but I wasn't a big reader. So did young Louisiana Byron connects with the homoerotic content of he man and the masters of the Universe Oh for sure. Don't you think how did you how people not? Yeah, that was. Equity Right. On talking the cartoon. Sure but. We've all seen the live action movie with I have not. Now. What, that is now through GEICO, Camp Really. Yes. All it's. It's only it's gone on the West Yeah. It's not great. But Yeah you see that? Yeah I think of student all that stuff I I. I I really loved him and I'd love the whole whole universe and I still like nowadays when I'm sick or when I first started chemo I'd watch some episodes just to try to chill out and captures. Moments you know. where were you in life? What what? What were you up to when when you were diagnosed Burstein? Oh so for that one I was an assistant at a an entertainment company and. So I was I was peeing and I was feeling my balls and I felt a lump on one of the balls and then I was like, oh that's weird and then a few months later was bigger. So I went to the urologist he was like, oh. Yeah. Not Good. But. We can't really tell what it is until we cut it out so. Probably Cancer, we won't know about the degree of malignancy and that kind of thing until it's out of your body. So So that was two thousand fifteen and say took the testicle out and it was cancerous and my two markers in my blood all went back to normal. So they were like, oh, it must have been just contained and you just have to do regular. Scans or is and will make sure that it doesn't spread or combat, but we don't think we don't recommend chemo right now. So it's like rate. So Then I think the thing was like if you go five years of regular scans with nothing showing up, you're in the clear and guys it was almost like five years among that I hit a routine scan they're like. There's something weird there. So then the chemo thing those this year Yeah Yep in April. In in as we're all talking about twenty twenty being a nightmare but he's Christ. That's it's weird because it's a it's like good timing and terrible timing because You know not I didn't feel like I was missing out on things. It wasn't like people are like, oh Mr, the barbecue or whatever you know everyone was was you know had to stay home anyway. So in that way, it was good. I. Was also able to finish the chemo before the book came out. So, Chemo ended around July first and came out July twenty eighth and I was also grateful have the book to look forward to so that was nice and But but it was it was sad it in in the Chemo I was I'm forty forty-two I was one of the younger ones there and a lot of people there had worst cancers than meet stick cancer is pretty treatable. So it was hard to watch There was this one lady in there and she couldn't keep food down and so that also meant she couldn't keep her pain medicine down and the doctor would come up to her because it's Like a big room everyone just sits in like lazy boys they try to sit you like you know they tried to do social distancing, but it's hard. So this doctor is talking to her and very somber and he's like you know we I know you can't keep your pain meds. We want you to keep doing chemo you gotta and she's like sure I gotta think about it and then he would turn from her and seemingly like Aveyron, how's it going? It was just like this craziest world where it was just like. You know, and then the nurses talking about their lunch and their plans and and I everyone suffering is just like so weird. It was weird. Are you writing about it. I don't know I did I did a web series after the first round called last will and testicle. And that works that was really fun and lovely and easy and I think part of the part of it was lovely easy because they were like you didn't need chemo and I had an easy go of it But I I did write down I do keep notes on all the experiences that I've had here with this recent round of Chemo but I'm not sure what form of art might ever might ever take maybe it'll be another season. Less we'll festival. Why, not why not? Yeah. Guy And forgot the time that's right. take us back to Louisiana Byron. Kid were you growing? Oh I was very serious I remember. Shopping for clothes and my mom would be like, oh, yeah. Let's get you some jeans for school rule and I'd be like well, Khakis are the same price as jeans. Why would anyone wear jeans they were Like I was. Nightmare Kit Sassy boy Sassy boy. Yeah. So just a professional from. Professional Yeah Yeah and. I don't know it was we we moved north of New Orleans. When I was pretty young. And then. So I at one point went to kind of a pretty rural school. In Franklin Louisiana and then transfer my junior and senior year to school in Covington which was a little bit bigger and my memories of high school are in my mind. It's like I was so alone and and all that stuff. But I think the reality was probably kinder. My sister has up spawned memory at one point. I, she she says I was kind of cool because I did this radio program like over the morning announcements morning announcements used to just be like teachers reading the announcements but I was like the today show. So I got my friend dilemma and I was like I'm GonNa let's write a script and made the teachers alternative. Their announcements ahead of time and I went to the ban and had them record like an intro and so hold the little microphone and we do this Intro, and then we will be like today at coming tonigh-. So I did do like crazy shit like that. That is kind of mortifying when I think that I'm like what but my sister thought was goals that seems important. So, wait down pretty who would this is it sounds very cool. We had nothing like this. Would you so you would be recording somewhere and people would be in classrooms listening to it before class started just saying it to you. I'm sweating camp. and. All right. So in the bold in the movie Big Business there's a scene where the bad guy basically gives the wrong character plans that they're going to strip mine their birthplace, and so it's a big drama. So the plan at the top said Prospectus plans. Then it was like, for Strip mining, Jupiter hollow and all this. And I remember seeing that and digging that's how you do business. So I typed up perspectives, plans or abyss chs today morning show member giving it to the principal and. She must have thought I was such a lunatic by down, but she was like sure. So yeah. So also all the kids would be in their classes and I would be excused to go to the principal's office and I would go to the microphone and a lesson and I would would do these morning announcements to music. Any of those recorded. I hope not. I doubt it but. We did it. What is the strangest or wildest example of someone sort of crawling out of the woodwork or someone that you? Never met reaching out to you after the book came out. had long had a lot of really special touching experiences like that. What will one Tangen is for the cancer stuff I tried to be open and honest about that. Whole thing on instagram and people would reach out to about their own experiences and that was really cool rewarding and and then when the came out I get lots of people who Had Fond memories of of carry one. Lady was asking me if I remember her from an autograph convention and she said she, she was with a guy who had a lunchbox. The Star Wars lunchbox that the whole cast signed except for Kerry and just as he was getting up to her the time limit happened whatever and so they stopped it and she had to leave and we were on our way out and and this lady said, she told the guy well, let me try and so she grabbed the lunchbox she said she. Came up to me and asked regarded, carry decided that agreed when I don't remember any of this Kazoo these things happen all the time but but it was it was so sweet to hear that and she was so excited that carried signed up for this guy, and it really is just a great example and a reminder to me of how generous and cool carry was because she really did always say, yes, like that's that's just how she wants and So it was nice to hear people's lives touched in that way. But was your relationship after you. Moved on from the job. I understand from my assistant days that it's such A. Complicated relationship and. A walking away from it just because you're no longer an employee, it feels impossible sometimes, and I still have this feeling like these people I worked are like my children. Out there in the world even like. I'm you know they're old enough to be my parents. What was experience for you? I felt a lot of the same things you just described like You know I felt like she was family. We did stay in touch lots of texting and emails and I would go to her birthday parties I just seen her at her birthday party before before she passed away. So definitely stayed in touch, but it was different. It's just like when you leave any any job, really move away from your family and she one of the reasons I left was because she was about to move to London issued Star Wars. So she was out of the country for big chunk of time. So so a lot a lot changed in her life at that time and end in mind to really. We stayed in touch. I mean she does the truth is. Everything with her was so memorable and heightened because she was. A big. Star she had a big personality should like things to be boring or uninteresting. So so many of my experiences were with her trauma in a good way like like. Can't believe this is happening or that sort of that sort of is. So when you're around someone like that, they really do build a home inside you and So I really even now still feel very connected to her. For for having you know because she did sort of bring me offer that graveyard shift I was living a dark wife and suddenly I'm you know at her mansion with blue skies and the sparkling lights Erin I'll I'll always be grateful. Byron, thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having. The time babble too much like a crazy. You didn't know we thanks you guys can come back. Right. Minor Docket Aviv. Not Book Worthy But yes, we'll. We'll talk shop I love that. Thanks, guys, I, appreciate you view. Good health take care of yourself out there say, Hey, Stephen I will thanks friends a star is board is the book Byron Lane. Well, Matt. We've come to the end of another upset tape taped. Dave Dave Dave Dave thank you for being here with me giving me a reason to live. Thank you, Matt. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you for reviewing us on apple podcasts with five stars. Of course. Thank you to Rene Colbert with a T. Our producer. Thank you to Ryan. 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Full Show (LeBron criticism, Zeke's holdout, Dallas Cowboys, Big Ben, NFL's new rule)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode. Sodas undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate so skip Shannon. Let's get to it welcomed undisputed. We are live from L._A.. L._A.. I'm Johnny Taft here with skip bayless Shannon Sharpe on his way to the hall of fame a Good Morning Guy. I knew you weren't in the hall of fame yet. Yeah boy skip. I end up with Oh boo jiving this morning. David Griffin got all skit about to get ugly. Lebron is having a tough week because we all know the number one cowboy fan is Lebron James Right so he's cowboys were in salary cap calamity with Zeke Zeke and and now this happens to Lebron. He's having a rough ride man a good point who this might be a little worse than what the cowboys have going yeah you guys are setting me up perfectly. We have a lot to get to on today's show plenty to do with the cowboys are things getting ugly between Zeke and Jerry and in his deck a man on a mission but we will start with everything going on with Lebron so we thought he had a good relationship with former cavs G._M.. David Griffin but probably probably not anymore. Griffin told sports illustrated that he was miserable working with Lebron in Cleveland he added for literally the moment we won the championship. I knew I was going to leave. There was no way I was going to stay for any amount of money. Brooklyn also said but Lebron Code. I don't think he's the same animal anymore about winning after the article was released Ron tweeted this all right enough is enough. The throne has been played with too much and I ain't horse play coming soon Shannon. Do you have a problem with David. Griffin's comments absolutely have a problem with scale. We know David Griffin is telling a abol face life. He was in contract negotiations to try to re sign on as being the president of basketball operations with the with the Cleveland Cavaliers before David Griffin who says I'm not giving you a penny more than what I'm offering you and then he took his name out of the running so for him to say he was not coming back for any amount of money is a lie. If you you know that is a lie because it went up to the eighteenth our before if he finally walked away because David Griffin excuse me because Dan Gilbert would not give him a penny penny more skill miserable there is there is no context for miserable. You can't be taken can out of context for miserable skip on the way over here. I was going through my mind. I'm trying to think of like okay. Miserable miserable doesn't mean what I think it means skipping. I got a couple of definitions is that being in a pitiful state causing extreme discomfort or unhappiness scale. I didn't go beyond that's news knows don't know skip this way this. These last two got me skilled these last two. What got me goes way beyond sad absolutely awful for you in can yes? You're in contention to win a title every single year and you're miserable so even though Kevin Durant says winning a title did not give me the peace that happened is that I thought it would. He never said he was miserable. Scale scale <hes> David Griffin see David Griffin. Is One of these guys get. He doesn't want the expectations he than ideal situation right now 'cause skip if he goes forty and forty two he deals thirty five and forty seven he misses the playoffs. No harm no foul he up the thing that Lebron James these the players have now skip is that they have power and the power that they have is signing one two three year deals therefore they're able to keep their foot on the next next of the organization to make sure that there's no lapse in competing for title David Griffin when you got when you got when you did not resign or what you got fired basically to make a long story Short Lebron James tweeted griff. I appreciate what you did even if no one else does last week when your wife opened up a winery or whatever she opened up Lebron James tweeted where you miserable then skip you remember he used to go won't N._B._A.. T._v. and talk about how Lebron James that brought into the coacher how Lebron James You need guys like Lebron James. If you WANNA compete in Niger I just go get on the podcast and talk about you miserable skip their only been a handful of guys in N._B._A.. History that every year they suit up the expectation is titles Lebron James. It's one of those guys we know. Michael Jordan was one of those guys we know Magic Johnson a Larry Bird there have been only. They've only been a handful that every year the expectation is titled or nothing and for David Griffin all of a sudden now the reason you have a job if because Lebron James can you imagine skill Bela's had he not come in contact with Lebron title he'd been Dale Deals. Let's see how soon dale get another job David Griffin it'd be careful now. Be careful. Oh Lebron James. Don't go eat the only rise above this look just he's probably gonNA come out with a situation say look. There are a lot of people saying some things about me. I like to think that I was this Yada Yada Yada but don't don't worry about it we you I got this today. Let me let let me pull the hammer how embedded David Griffin over his hair. I want you to stay away from the pre. I am loving listening to you. Try to talk yourself through this because this was a stunner and here's my bottom line take away the king just got got stabbed in the back by a trusted friend and a former colleague whom Lebron endorsed and continued to endorse just a couple of weeks ago so when he endorsed the wives right wine venture reiner right yes this. Is You love to refer to the Julius Caesar Play Hey by Shakespeare Julius Caesar come to life because Rudas the trusted friend stabbed Julius right in the back when Julius least expected it because this is a shocker man I did not see this coming and I guarantee you Lebron didn't and rich Paul didn't and Maverick Carter and the inner circle did not see this coming because David Griffin just assassinated the basketball character of the king. That's what he did. He attacked all things Lebron internally and the point is David did again you can argue about how good he would be without Lebron. He was an up and coming rising sort of star as a G._M.. Figure did it help obviously did do do I think David Griffin can stand on his own as a G._M.. While we're about to see because he has the makings of something pretty special in New Orleans so we'll see how that pans out from here on but I do like the start he got a New Orleans. It helped that he hit the lottery so we got really lucky right out of the box but the point is he worked worked very closely with Lebron in the pointy made in the sports illustrated interview was Lebron would listen to me. I was the only one who could talk to to him man to man I could tell him what needed to happen. As in I could be critical of Lebron to Lebron. He responded very well to Mike criticism like we need to do this because you need to do that and then you go in betray Russ Okay but but he does come with there's some credibility because he is highly respected around the league and remember he also speaks firsthand because he just is traded for three young players who spent a year in L._A.. With Lebron trying to coexist in Lebron's realm in L._A.. Lonzo Brandon Ingram Josh heart so you know and I know that David Griffin has heard the stories from those three young Lakers about how hard it was to coexist in Lebron's altitude last year in L._A.. And maybe they co-signed on the fact that he's is not the animal he he wants was when it comes to winning he doesn't go ahead skill. You covered Michael Jordan at his APEC. I did how how young players respond to Michael Jordan. He wanted vets. He didn't deal with no young players there. There were no young player of plan heavy minutes Michael Jordan. Well Lebron accepted this he came here for what what did I tell you I told you from the start he he was chasing Michael B Jordan more than Michael Jordan because he came here in part for Hollywood and that's what David saying is he achieved his ultimate that goal and Cleveland and Home Home Area Akron obviously and there was nothing left and Lebron's talked about well. I've done everything I really wanted to do. Whatever I do in L._A.? Would be icing on the cake so Lebron is pretty much validated that premise but nobody so. Why is he getting creek? Why is he getting criticized for trying to get anthony the days to come to L._A.? If that was the case okay well okay well. He did need some help but that brings up the other irony to the David Griffin nuclear blast because between the lines this is also a parting shot at the player who desperately wanted out of New Orleans Orlands to get to Lebron David Griffin is basically saying to Anthony Be careful what you wish for. You're going to find how dangerously how hard it is to coexist with Lebron especially as his Co Star and the point was Lebron wants all the credit and none of the blame. What what have I been saying years? I've been telling you all not true skip. You know that's not true because every time you talk about it you say Lebron. James is three and six. I have yet to hear you say the Cavaliers in the Miami. Heat are three and six. You said Lebron James just like you say Michael Jordan and is six zero an N._B._A.. Finals I have yet to hear you say the Chicago. Bulls are fixing. Oh that's just the way it works Betas your. I'm only talking back act you because you've told me repeatedly. Lebron James is better than Michael Jordan so let's just do superstar versus superstar best player ever versus versus quote unquote best player ever so one six zero and one is three and six. Also you see you see but that's what do you see you wanna be. When you want to be the lead players you get all the blame you get all the criticism okay? Lebron James had the triple double in game seven but did you see the shot carry hit Lebron. James has a triple double but did you see Ray Allen saved his legacy. He only Lebron only Lebron. James can have his legacy saved by a teammate AAC doing his job what would rail him on the team for to make to shoot make threes but now all of a sudden we hold that against him see David Griffin skip. David Griffin was ploughed up under the radar but when you play Lebron James or when you play with Michael Jordan skill. Was there tomorrow for Michael Jordan. Did anybody say well. You know Michael in two years from now once he started winning titles it was title every single year a bust magic Johnson Zain every year or bust Larry Bird every year or bus. That's what the expectations are David Griffin so think about letting you think he is give David David Griffin was there with three point three years and he was miserable. Lebron James did it eight straight years the pressure the anticipation the expectations and he handled it for eight years and David Griffin could not okay but what am I told you obviously Lebron. James is all time I'm great. He is all also all time hardest to play with. It's difficult because he is the drama king. It's a crisis tonight with Lebron and if there isn't one he will create it and I've told you from the start and this is being echoed by David Griffin that the goat as you call him does need a scapegoat if it does go south. It's like don't look at me look at him and him and him and the first one you're going to look at is going to be Anthony then he Davis. He's on the hottest seat in the N._B._A.. Next year because he is the CO star to Lebron James It's why Paul George said I want no part of that. It's why why number two said own any part of that. It's just too hard to to live in Lebron's universe because he is the son in that universe and he tends to melt everything around him. He's really good but it's really hard to play with him into win championships with them. Let let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Was the easy plan with Kobe Bryant. No how many how many guys were the easy play with Michael Jordan easy play play with no no no no no it was business as usual every night it was it was so it was so easy easy to play with Matt and Michael Jordan. He puts the steady Steve Curr what about big wheel purdue yeah vanderbilt university seven feet tall in writing yeah. It's motivation year. Everybody walked in fear of Michael Jordan in it absolutely recently lifted that whole basketball team that whole franchise because they knew they were going to get Michael's best during the game and they were definitely GonNa get Michael's best post game. He didn't call people out post game. He didn't try to deflect if they lost he took the brunt of the blame. Blame it on me. They loved loved playing with Michael Jordan. I feared him but they loved it because it was going to be killer business as usual in a basketball context so so so because Lebron James they expect patients. I expect you to do your job and I expect you to do it at a high level and if you don't I'm not GonNa put you in the face. I'm not gonNA push the. I'm not GONNA say anything. There's this expectation. I'll just call you. That's all he does skew we're. I don't know what said Lebron de la De. La Can't say that you can't just completely disrespect the bottom three fourths of the roster Jordan would never have done that ever skip Holo skip. Do you realize what he was doing all the players that they flipped over because they tried to get the roster better. They traded his best friend and Charles Oakley. What did he do that because they thought they thought Bill Cartwright I can make the rough the better and he did but nobody okay okay so so what you go to criticize Lebron James for wanting the best roster he possibly can have in in order to go and compete for title Michael Michael had no say on personnel moves it all? They ignored him. Jerry Krause ignored him. which in the end is why it all blew up skip? I'm all I'm saying is is that whether the team is doing what's in the best interest or Lebron. James is trying to get the team to to do within the best interest at the end of the day. The the results that we're trying to get is to get to and win an N._B._A.. Title now everyone's get what we're starting to see here is that everybody wants to create. Everybody wants to see Lebron. Hey I'm a major role. Okay give me some credit David Griffin without putting all the strength and Lebron listen to me. I need some credit waterboard say. Did you see how made that gatorade not too much sugar a give me some credit. That's the way it works. You understand that you've covered the sports for too long to know that when you win everybody takes more than their fair share of the credit and I think that's what we have going. Don here is that David Griffin feels. He didn't get enough credit but as you mentioned in the Shakespeare Play Julius Caesar this is when it was when brewed us did what he did that Julia see finally gave up because he was fighting until then it was too is that youtube brought us to outdoing you stab but unlike Caesar like Caesar Lebron James John Paul Jones. I have yet begun to fight skip bayless. If you think this man is going down without a fight you sadly mistaken now. Just want you to know the most dangerous with animal is one. That's wounded now. Everybody's taking trying to take their pound of flesh from Lebron but I can promise you this and I don't normally make promises because promises like pie crust. The enemies are broken this commitment Lebron James if on a mission and he will get to the Promised Land Skip bayless. It looks you what Mark Maher were. I'm marking a market down right now. Because it's going down down down and by the way speaking of Lebron in tweets his response tweet about the throne has been played with to retake denim and tinker with fresh leads to Oh oh. I don't know maybe give yellow come here for the English lesson coming here for that. Well just just quick. Maybe the type of maybe he was just so furious. He's typing so fast. He's brought over that second. Oh Right Hugo proofreads. Nobody got time to be proved Reno. I'm not no no no tweet so now he's going either on all of his enemies and all and nay sayers Nay sayers doubters and backstabbers neighbors and it took nine fire emojis nine not Emoji nine loves the Wadi lately so our brimstone okay my first I issues with the throne what throne the throne has been gone twenty eight and twenty seven last year. Kevin Durant took the throne two years ago to be honest with you and fortunately for Lebron. There's going to be no Kevin next year so it is wide open but you know what I get tired of this because I don't tell me Lebron just show me. He keeps flexing his muscles comeback season for the ages that was even before David Griffin. Don't tell me do here. Come out and show me skip. Do you find it ironic that Lebron James has stepped up a clear a cliff. You're sixteen when he had twenty seven eight and Kevin Durant Paul George and Kawhi Leonard has never ever in their life ever had a season like that. I mean let's think for one second Lebron James. You're sixteen stepped off a cliff Paul. George Kawhi Leonard and Kevin Durant has never ever in the N._B._A.. Careers had one season let alone to Lebron did it back to back doc a season like that speaking of back to back Kevin Durant had back to back finals. M._V._p.'s case closed thrown abdicated to Kate D. which brings me back to digi as no. I'm sorry this is David Griffin Yes D._J.. Griffin did you the point that is why would he do this now. What what what would motivate him well? This is my take on it. This is my two cents from a distance. I believe that David Griffin often is feeling himself a little bit he did hit the lottery in New Orleans and I don't think he likes his new team. I think he loves it and he talked about how in organic it was in Cleveland because Lebron kept doing one year deal so you can't build around him well now. He's got the flipside of Lebron he hit the lottery and got Zaylon the UNLV and Lebron who plays with in moves with joy that Lebron doesn't move with at least anymore where he's just so happy to be New Orleans and happy to be built around and you've got veterans on this team when I looked down the list. You got drew holiday J._J.. rettig derrick favors. You still got way more Jalil Star though the vet those veterans derrick favors J._J.. RADICATI ton more and all these guys what whatever one okay well. What are they about to win because then you added the rising stars Lonzo B. I.? Josh heart maybe not Josh Arnold Rising Star but a contributor and then you got zay on Jackson Hayes in Kiel Alexander Walker as the kids in the mix and all the sudden seating explosive list mix in the SL I Aldea was we're going to play faster than anybody. They're going to be must-see TV and David Griffin's final salvo in the SL piece was don't be surprised surprised if I make a big trade at the trade deadline and people are going to say what the F. Are you doing. He's going to try to win next year. That's how much she loves this team so he he is a position of strength all so in other words you willing to make moves in order to win but because Lebron James we've kept that foot on your neck to constantly make move to win you had a problem with that David Griffin kick rots. Nobody listening to you and you talk about these rising stars ars meal the rising stars. That's all star weekend rookie of the gift more that's rather stars you already know skip bayless but you by the find out the hard way well. You'll head heart mark but we'll show you David Griffin just kicked the biggest rock right in the back end. There are lot of layers to this story and we are going to break it all down but really all week. It has been a tough one for the cowboys are skips cowboys in big trouble. We'll discuss the latest next. Don't forget you can check us out every day on the Fox sports for Channel on Sirius X._M.. Summertime is here and while you may be breaking out that baseball cap for a day at the beach the Ballpark if you're wearing it to hide thinning hair. You may not have to anymore. Thanks to science. Baldness can be optional. Hymns connects tax you with real doctors and medical great solutions to treat hair loss no waiting room no awkward in person doctor visits save hours by going to four hymns. 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These guys is just one foot in front of the other and go and do what you have to do the next play which is put somebody else in there. Just keep going well. She uninjured cowboys. Fans feel encouraged or discouraged by Jerry's comments. I think there should be discouraged because Jerry Jones is talking tough a publicly when there's really no reason to because if he's unconcerned if he's unworried like he saved the year skip. There's no reason for him to give you this tough of talk but Jerry is concerned because he knows Zeke is not about to take devante Freeman tight money which is reset the market around eight nine million dollars. Does the market is going up. Whether you want to say thank you it is or not they're not going to allow you to reset the running back market lower the lady on bail lower than Todd Gurley you see the thing is get Jerry. Jones made a statement. I think it was early in the week. Maybe a yeah it was early in the week that you don't need need a a franchise running back leading league leading running back to win the Super Bowl. He's right. If you have built your team I like that when you go get three off his alignment in the first round and their first team all pro and you running back lead the league carries tour to three years in which he's been in the league. You're absolutely wrong you skip. I don't need flour to make steak but I need flour. Oh to make biscuit you leave you up is arousing so you need him to run the football in order for you to be successful accessible. I need state if you need a biscuit but so you can have the flato you but the bag that about is I'm just making analogy of how how you cook it. You're right you might not need flour to make us day but you need to make a biscuit. You might not lead need to leave leading rusher to win the Super Bowl. If that's not the way you built your roster. If that's not the way you built your offensive team but when you built your team round a sound running game with three first first team all of all pro office landman yet you do you kind of need that guy and Jerry talking to publicly skip. I don't get the benefit of it. Oh like Oh my God. Did you hear Jerry says he's talking tough. Let me get on his plane back from Kabul. You know he's DOT COM yeah. He had a a good old and get on back down to Oxnard so I can get the training camp is not going to happen Jerry. Get get ready to break breathe. If you won't seeking camp <hes> so you're hopefully discouraged about all this. I think cowboy fans should be in discouraged as in encouraged encouraged but somewhat discouraged but in the end encourage. I know that's complicated. Jerry's series really complicated to try to decipher true but he he comment yesterday was when he's looks sideways and said winning by not gotten one done yeah seriously. When is he ever not gotten one done never done say at one more time? What Jerry does best is money Jerry's genius when it comes comes to money? Maybe not football decisions money. He's got it cap wizard. He will figure this out. It's just going to take hake awhile so he dug in harder yesterday and he's just spitting facts back Zeke. I don't have any time line. There's no point meaning no no point of no return. We're saying well. There's going to be a deadline here. There's no deadline. Why is there no deadline because he has all the bargaining advantage? He's got all the leverage over Zeke Zeke's got two years left on his contract and then they could franchise them for two more years. That's four years. Okay skip to your point though you said there's no time line if there's no time line Oil Wells. What does it take Jerry's? His motto of in life is tolerance for ambiguity meaning. How how much risk can you take? Most people can't take as much risk as Jerry took in the oilfields because there was one day that he's talked about flying going into love field in which the woman at the car counter the rent car counter to his credit card and and took scissors and cut it in two because it was done he was tapped out. It's so he went bust several times in the oil and gas business before he struck it rich. It's tolerance for ambiguity so he's saying I've done this a lot more than these players have and he said I don't want to see him. Try It. I don't WanNa see him cavalier about it but he's just basically saying I have the patience to wait. These kids is out. They haven't done this before my whole. Life has been tolerance for ambiguity meaning ambiguity what might or might not happen. You have to be willing to to risk it by being patient. Jerry is ultra patient. You do skip and that's that's the thing is that Zeke Week. Is that when you take this dance you got to be willing to go the distance but skip. I don't know if you remember this. Jane Slater was on our show who works. I think N._F._l.. Network she covered the cowboys what he's all things cowboy. She says something very interesting and I don't know if you picked up on it. She's like how broke is the picked up asthma the second time thank you. What did I told you skip? I said financially the cowboys. No words Zeke is they've done their homework. They they know Zeke has a house. Zeke has cards Zeke probably got Mama House so they know how long Zeke and play this thing out agree. I've always felt that in order to hold out you know hold out. They can start thinking about holding out the year you're going to hold out you start the year before and you start putting a plan in place ace so you said okay no extra expenses because I'm going to be willing to miss checks but I also understand that there were mortgages and car payments and things of that nature after that must be paid in. There's no money going in and money coming out. I need to have as much already stored up so when that money goes out. I'm not in a rush. Get back. That's up and that's Jerry is talking about Jerry says I can do this. 'CAUSE y'all see Forbes. I got the most valuable franchise by billion. I'm worth six point you too so I got the stomach for this. He does. I'm not going to get. I'm not going to get sick. I've been on this rocky ride before and I'll take him my dramamine. Grandma me so I'm good. I'M NOT GONNA lose what you're saying. He's also carefully analyzed the psyche of Zeke versus. Let's say an Emmett Smith Smith who obviously held out for the first two real games back in nineteen ninety-three and they lost both then Jerry came to the deal with with image but anyway cheap those imminence. There's been no money in it was cheap and it's always just money agreed seek as opposed to emit and around him at a lot Zeke loves football Zeke loves being around the FELLAS in the locker room and out on the practice field zeke loves to practice football. It's just fun form. It's where our he's most content in Life Im- it not so much he didn't love practicing at all. He didn't WanNa practice at all so again. Emmett was more built to hold out through to real games than Zeke is in so Jerry's going to push this a little harder with Zeke if Zeke showed him you WanNa play hard ball okay. Let's play hardball in obviously there are a three pronged attack here for Jerry because he's got back. Amari Zeke will who's more of a priority right now. Will it stack because he's in the last year of a contract that pays him a grand total of two million dollars so you better get that one done. I I okay what's next. Amar is in the last year but he seems very content right now practicing with the cowboys he's he's voicing no urgency for renew deal but he's in the last year deal that pays him thirteen point nine million dollars. He's he's way. Does he deserve eighteen million billion or whatever else you know Mike Michael Thomas has got almost twenty million okay fine but he doesn't need it today and then we get down to the third priority already me which Zeke who's GonNa make three point nine this year nine point one next year so he's got two more years so again Jerry's pushing him down to third priority right now and endures just daring him basically to hold out. Do I want to see him. Hold out through a real game I do not do I think he will I do I'm not I think they will get deals done. In the order of Dak Amari and then Zeke give apathy I believe Jerry overestimating his hand. Jerry's as we got the way he can figure this ballclub Jerry built ballclub to be running team first and then play action and everything else off the run game so he he he's he's misplayed his hands. He might have pocket fans but I believe <hes> Zeke have the better hand Zeke guy pocket jags pocket Queens or kings of better so oh for jared for Jerry to think well I got back DAX in a quarterback two year two million and he's in the very last year Amari's Ariz playing on the option year. I got two more years of the but the way you've configured your team Jerry. You built your team around what Zeke Elliott really really really well and that's run the football and then when you can run it you can play action off of it. There's a reason why you said Dak Prescott. He he took off what's he got Amari so in other words as long as he got other great players around him he can be somewhat a better. He could be somewhat he it can be a better player. He's dependent you say receivers player dependent position but your guys dependent on the running game and Amari Cooper so that's why they scale if they thought Dak Prescott was what what you think is. Why wouldn't they have already given him his money? <hes> how many guys have gotten money quick question. Do you think Tom Brady is dependent on his run game. Do you think the Bill Shiqi and offense philosophy isn't built around the run game because that's all they do. They run it more than they eight. Throw it every year but biscuit nobody skip. Here's the thing the thing is that they would rather have the ball in Sunny Machel's hand then. I'm Tom Brady's. This is what at the in the playoffs they average one sixty to a game. I know Tom Brady can do his five super bowls for M._V._p.'s. Please all things being equal our him handed off to Sunday Machel. Listen to Michelle get four five yards a carry then have the ball in Tom Brady's and unless there is burst skill own the cowboys is reverse they would rather have the ball and Dak Prescott hand as opposed to having the ball Zeke's zeke Elliott Elliot stomach therein lies the difference remember Jerry got to see his quarterback throw parties against the Eagles twice in throw an run Seattle out of jury world in playoff game. That's what he got to see last year so he knows yeah yeah and then we got to in a career high scrimmage yards. Now Guess Eagle you remember. That's no. I don't remember exactly yeah you do. Those are the things you remember well. You know what guys perfect because we have more to talk about. When it comes to Dak Prescott he did not make the list the top one hundred players in the League which was voted on by other players fifteen quarterbacks did make the list and yesterday Dak was asked how he feels feels about this? Take a listen one hundred percent of motivates me <hes> MOTIVA- to make that makes that you're bigger <hes> one of the biggest <hes> complimented complement is from a peer <hes> so it's also I guess you can take that the other way as if when you're not getting it <hes> it it should should motivate you and motivate anybody even those guys on that list. I'm sure all of them were motivated for wanting to be higher but yeah when you see that list comes out come out and there's one hundred guys yeah likes to right. I'm glad he addressed this Shannon. Did you like that response from Jack. I didn't like it. I loved it because he spoke open. He spoke on his skill because because so many times get when we talk we do what we do. We criticize we criticize we offer critique or an analysis of a player if the player doesn't like what we say what's one of the first first thing they say skip. What do you play and if you did play? How good were you that gave it to you straight unvarnished ernest? He says those are my peers. I take critiques. I take criticism I take praise adulation. I take from Liam because they know they watch. They studied they play gives me and they didn't think I was the top one hundred but here's why we we open the field Jada we will make it top three hundred because I wanna make sure I get any twenty twenty and I love it. Why it just takes on Famer says about them? But what do I know if I play what our a analysts. I've been analyzing for fifteen. I didn't even play football skill so I don't even know what you're talking about. A lot of people have forgotten not play football they but I love it to be on a no joke. All joking aside skip. I love a deck said this and I know is going to motivate him because it hurts. It hurts you when the guys ad that you play against that don't think you're that good that the reason why the cowboys have success is almost like they're telling that the cowboys have success I in spite of you because of those landman is because of Zeke is because of a Mari is because of Banda Edge is because the Brian Jones not you iron so he's very he because he made the list. That dagg said that if you're on the list as you probably disappointed. The only person wasn't disappointed on that list. Is there Aaron Donald because he's number one. Everybody else is like man. I should have been Ir. There's is no way I should have been different tack saying not only should I've been. I'm not even on the list you think Holo. I wanted the vision I wanNA play off game. Okay I'll play the most important position and I can't get on the list he he's very motivated and I'm getting a little scared right now. 'cause man when when a guy's motivated man mhm ain't no telling what the list go go go to to to make sure that thank turns around scale a little nervous. I told you yesterday that not making the top up. One hundred from my quarterback was the single best thing that could have happened to my team because Dak Prescott responded as we just saw exactly exactly like I told you he would respond. I remind you again. Landon Collins then a giant last year before game two made the mistake of calling out Adak before that game and saying we want to keep the ball index hands because it gives us a better chance to win the football game DAX response that day was was challenge accepted. That's what he was saying here. Is You just saw challenge accepted national football league because the leader of the Dallas cowboys just got called out by the League the big game playmaker of the Dallas Cowboys just got called out the whole league. The most underestimated quarterback in the national football league just got dangerously underestimated by the whole League league now. Dak Prescott has a hundred reasons one hundred reasons to show the N._F._l.. Next year just how wrong they were and and he actually has a one hundred and one reasons because on first things first this morning my man Bart Scott had something to say about my man Dak Dak Prescott and I can't wait to hear right now radio anywhere else on that offense to play well deck needs those two does he doesn't like like Brady obviously needs a perfect situation to be a great quarterback or a second tier quarterback. I'll let him walk and take Teddy Bridgewater and you'll have a better football team. Take Me Teddy Bridgewater right now. Now that are better shining delivering man that can sit well. Let's head he brings the hurt has bart. Scott watched my quarterback play. I I like Teddy Bridgewater. Though I was on record before the draft Graf you can look it up. I did not love him. He the last pick of the first round to Minnesota and with North Turner's guidance he was the all all time perfect game manager for a very good football team because team very good defense good receiving core at that point a decent running game game team manager. Mike quarterback is at game breaker. My quarterback plays with much more fire in flare than teddy ever thought about playing with my quarterback is the Alpha male in my locker room. Teddy just went along for the ride. He's a soft armor. He's a nice kid. I've been around him a little bit like him a lot but he cannot carry decks. You know what I'm sorry. That's a preposterous statement for Bart. Scott got to make that you would take teddy bridgewater over the guy who leads the N._F._l.. And game winning drives over the last three years seriously no wrong. Thank you bar going flew flew yeah. You'd probably take Teddy Bridgewater just because you're the king the haters I that's the only thing skip skill. I'll say it. I'm glad he said it because so many times what do play normally say would it doesn't matter because that's that's what happens when when when when when a media member vote where they don't know they didn't play it if they did play there weren't any good. He can't say that can't say that skip because these guys are currently playing. They currently play against him skip if the guys that currently play gifts. You don't know how good you are. You're that's a problem operative problems no. I don't think they watch a lot of times. They don't really watch that much 'cause they're. They're playing their own game. It will get hotel their game going on every week and you saw the cowboys. Don't play anybody so anybody told no one the cowboy. Please please anybody else in the league. I don't know I guess they missed the two games. DID THEY MISS I. I WANNA no no they miss the two games in which we are in the whole postseason they miss that Bart must have missed it's. I don't know they didn't Mr Talk. They didn't miss the titans game. They didn't miss the I. I haven't Seattle. Did they. Miss that game skill no. They didn't miss that when did who wanted to did they miss. Is that okay okay okay. Once a month. Remember arrived in there was an actual credible receiving target for breast credible you do they took off you. You know you give him bars argument more credibility on by saying the arrival of the arrival of nobody cooper he had a detrimental Dez Dez Bryant using for you know I'm ready for you already know about it so now we're comparing back Tom. I kinda like it keep going to you. You said You'd want to say these Brady is he is Brady esque. They thrive off him play remaking in different than Tom because he can't use his legs who made the plays of the game against Seattle. Go look it up Bart Scott go look up playoff. Go look up passing percentage over the last three years. He set the all time record. You tried to counter yesterday. Everybody was higher well that means he's even hot. He's all all-time highest in an era. When it's it everybody's completely passes? He's completing more than Brady and brees and anybody else you wanNA throw talked about. Stop Stop. Stop Skip. Stop Skip. Stop Tom Brady. You'd have to go back to two thousand two thousand two thousand one thousand two to get that you'd have to go to one two and three ready to get drew brees stopped doing that. I see what you do is give you think you slip. Don't know these hit. So are you saying his completion percentage over the last three years. It's better than drew brees well. It just was yeah. No it's now. The jury's I three years has droop here three reuse but that was a different era of football. I'm talking about now is easier skipped you know is easier to throw incomplete passes. They protect the quarterback they protect the receivers you know their skill and he'd say that he did it with a liability a handicap and Dez Bryant that's phenomenal nominal <hes> there is no denying the DAX is going to be motivated this season and skip. I know you like where that is going but also might be motivated by I some negative comments Legrand. How upset should he be about David Griffin's comments and everything he said there we will discuss that with no <music>? 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The throne has been played with too much and I ate horse play author coming soon we are joined by F s one and the analyst Chris Broussard Chris. What are you hearing about all of this well this morning I have texted with David Griffin and he said that a lot of his comments or the comments in this article article were taken out of context? He said that the misery that he felt you know in Cleveland came from the constant media scrutiny <hes> that you know he went through being G._M.. For the bronze teams he also said that he is going to address this situation publicly later today today so I guess we'll get some type of statement or something from David Griffin later as far as my reaction to the article the way it was written. The thing arena surprised me. The most was the way it was put into this context whether Griffin agrees with it or not the way it was written. There was a great lack appreciation for what Lebron James Did for David Griffin and that's really what claim was surprised me the most you know it came off like David. David Griffin would have been happier building if Lebron had never come to Cleveland and he builds the team around Kyrie Irving and it's all about how can we make the playoffs. Can we get to the second round then. Can we become a contender in the conference may became we get to the finals like he would have been happier happier doing that and never win the championship or get into the finals then what he had with Lebron which was three straight trips to the N._B._A.. Finals the only the championship in any major sport in the fifty s last fifty two years for the city of Cleveland Ohio so that really surprised me the most look Griffin G._M.. Nobody disputes that but had Lebron never gone. The Cleveland in Griffith had nothing to do with that he likes griff but griffin absolutely absolutely nothing to do with Lebron choosing to go back to the cavaliers. If Lebron doesn't go back there and griff builds up the team the likelihood is that they probably never become a contender chance they may never even make the play offs griffey eventually gets fired and then he's not the sought after and highly respected G._M.. That he is now and probably is the G._M.. Of the New Orleans Pelicans elegance with what looks like a bright future right now so that is what struck me. It just seemed like there was a real lack of appreciation at least a way it was written written from David Griffin for what Lebron had done for him. There is no there is no lack of context no out of context when misery three is included in the discussion and I agree with you Chris is that it seems to me he would have been much happier building this thing because like he said he used the word. Inorganic will take your but the whole foods and they got all the organic food you want. He's like this inorganic so he would have been perfectly fine. Eh because this is what I gathered and tell me if you agree with me Chris I gather let me build it around Kyri. If we get to the playoffs that's fine riding good but if we'd never win a championship I'm going to get the credit for building this. We get to the championship with Lebron James. I won't get another credit because everybody's saying this Lebron. Did this Lebron defeats together. He only had to what I wanted some younger guys and we had to sign Mike Miller. We had this. I had decided Kendrick Perkins so it seems to me he very unappreciated the championship that I do not believe he would have got without Lebron the other the opportunity that he got because lebrons. It seems to me that he wants to take shots from a distance now that he has a new the opera at the time take the shot is when you work N._B._A.. T._V.. That's what you say God look. I'm up here. Many it was miserable. I mean Lebron James Signing one year contracts the constantly we use the proud beating and Yada Yada Yada. I had a terrible time. You don't wait till you go get you. Another job and you think you're sitting pretty. Don't forget Lebron. Lebron James did give your night recommendation but that's neither here nor there. Don't forget where you came from David Griffin but you know what I believe abroad you know he says there's eaters coming. I believe Lebron going to take the high road. Lebron door has always been open to players coaches and general managers the name. I'm a player that didn't get paid that with around Lebron look at J._R.. Liga Tristan Thompson look at K._B.. Low everything these guys do you Kevin Durant had no media board room. That's a direct copy of uninterrupted now. All of a sudden these guys got media companies Kevin Durant Venture Thirty Five Live Steph Curry. The Brian Keith is doors open but everybody loved it takes out that the guy that's all right day coming. It's going to be a day Ahah rickety when we we we hold it at trophy. Next year. What got for participation Larry O'Brien and worthy? I shot a Christian check that trophy and and he had that rep he like how bad taste y'all. I taste yeah so we'll Lebron's going. I'd say probably not Chris Broussard. You're telling me that David Griffin is going to crumble and and walk it all back. He's GonNa Backtrack on everything he said in this article is that where we're heading is going to be interesting because one thing I wasn't surprised that with the article was the candidness that Griffin show the Griff is a very candid guy. He speaks his his mind and so is going to be interesting to see what he says but yet appears. He's going to certainly walk some of it back and if I may skip quickly I know you WanNa get get to your point and you'll you'll remember this because you were around. Those Bulls teams with Michael. Jordan Jordan wasn't Jerry Krause very resentful that he never got credit for what he felt was building around Jordan his contributions to those championship teams like he didn't get credit for bringing in a Toni Kukoc coach and the other pieces lady put to win the championships shift. It was kind of like Jordan Jordan Jordan heirs right yeah and when Jordan finally left with Phil Jackson Krause was was kind of relieved and happy that he was going to get to build a team the way he wanted to and we've seen how that's worked out the last okay remember Krause crouse push them all out the back door because he made it clear he was going to go higher. Tim Floyd from Iowa state to replace the Great. Phil Jackson and Michael said I go where my coach goes and if he's going out the door I'm going out the door and Michael stood by his word and quote unquote retired for three years before before we went to Washington so yeah Krause Scott is shot and then what happened nothing happened okay so back back to these remarks. It's hard for me to see how you could take out a context a remark that Lebron got all the credit and none of the blame. I I mean that's just stands by itself. It's hard to take out of context. The fact that Lebron isn't the same animal as he used the word when it comes to a winning. He wasn't as driven as he came to L._A.. Last year as he was in Cleveland to win a championship for his home area once it was one David Griffin is telling the sports illustrated writer that was all there was and by the way Lebron validated that that last year in some remarks he made at Boston when he said this is all just icing on the cake. I've done all I set out to do in the N._B._A.. So I think he pretty much validated my premise that Lebron came to L._A.. More to chase Michael Jordan in Hollywood than Michael Jordan on the basketball court so I thought everything rang true in the article except I was shocked that David Griffin actually said it. Is it possible Chris because you and I know this sports writing business. Is it possible that Griff I just thought he was off the record on some of this and the SL Hey is that on the record. Can I use that because it got to a place where you know. We're just kind of talking about all types of stuff. It's possible that happened. I think was also possible. Skip is that you know how it is for an article. I think Griffin it Griffin Lebron have a have had a good relationship two weeks ago head Griffin Griffin Ass Lebron Griffin ask Lebron to tweet out something about his wife's vineyard and Lebron diddy. He's got followers so that's obvious publicity publicity that they've had a good relationship. It's possible I think that in the midst of the interview Griffin said some favorable things about <music> out Lebron and those just didn't make the art. Maybe you know maybe the the writer went for the controversial quotes and if that's what he was going for he certainly early got it but let me ask you question. Let's be all the way one hundred sports illustrated writing an article by David Griffin who read that article. David Griffin got the article said he was miserable with Lebron James. Who's reading the article now you guys in the writing Biz? How does that work Christmas artists skip baby? I got one want. I'll read that article because of Zairean Williamson. How about that? I got that for you because that's where I wanna hear about right now but see no no go ahead. Go ahead Chris to your point skip to your point what else another thing that surprised me about the article was how griff talked about the pressure and having the win you know all the time and how he didn't like how when he found founded Lebron was coming. He fell on his floor and his office and cried my thing. Is this your win. If griff does a good job Bob in New Orleans and let's say Zion because what you and others think he can be skipped. That pressure is coming. Oh it's a honeymoon period right now. All Zion is this transcendent superstar if the ex Lakers Lonzo in Ingram and these guys play well then that pressure's coming for Griff and you're going to have to if not win championships certainly compete for those championships so you can take some of the things easy said in the article as if he'd rather just be is some situation where there was no pressure right if we make the playoffs a offsets great. I'm celebrating no but I would say go ahead. No I'm not seeing that at all. He was saying with Lebron he felt held held hostage because Lebron kept going year to year so you have no choice but to try to bill just for that year Max out that year because he's on one year <unk> deals in Zaylon he's got him for a while obviously and he can build around him and if you read the SL article all the way to the bottom autumn he's he's not trying to deflect a run from the pressure. He's embracing it. He's begging Ford. He's saying we're going to play the fastest of anybody in in the League next year. He's basically saying we're must see TV. He's saying that my team is much better than anybody thinks and that at the trade deadline. I'm I'M GONNA make a deal. He said you watch don't be surprised if I make a big deal at the trade deadline to make us even better and he said people are going to say what the Eh for you doing well. He's trying to win now this coming year in New Orleans. That's not say let's slow play this for five years until we barely make the playoffs CABELA's. Let's just say for the sake of argument Zaire. Williams is everything you thought he would be in more and you don't do you believe do you believe Lee David Griffin is going to build his team around him or say. I don't care how great this mania. I just going to build a team the way I want to build it we just going to build around him because he's on a scale. You had Lebron James you build around great players. Stop Play Okay but you can't even healed around one year Lebron and you can only tweak you say I'll get this vet that vet. He's got kids coming of age. He's got those Lakers kids. He's got his own draft last year. Yes we've got a fairly young drew holiday for that matter but see see the thing is Zion in these young Lakers. Don't understand that Lebron understood at a very young age. Is that the only way to keep my foot on their throat and keep this pressure to make sure they do what they say. They're going to do if for me to sign these one year deal because the only spread I got if I locked myself in the four five years. They go do a year three days like now we good but if I go year to year if I do one plus an option or a two plus an option now I'm gonNA keep that pressure on your neck and you go. I'm GonNa make sure you bring peace than here that I want to compete every year David Griffin there is no summers off. There is no winters up. There is no all star break for you. You must be on your grant on a daily basis. He will anything else well. He got. He didn't WanNa be that with Lebron but but for you well for for Brutus that's his name. Brutus Griffin is no longer David Griffin. It is Brutus et Tu brute us because you the scale. Do you realize we know who he is because Lebron. We never heard David Griffin if he doesn't go back to Cleveland. He's not getting this job if he didn't work Lebron Cleveland. David Griffin just stabbed the king right in the back and now he's trying to pull knife back out like I didn't I didn't do we don't blame me re good now. We good Lebron's going to be tweeting out anymore. Support Oddly Nov <hes> no Chris. Thank you for joining us. We'll be waiting to hear from David Griffin. Hopefully a statement coming from him later today. Aw thanks so much appreciate that I'm sure you wanNA tell us more about the cowboys. Though are there super bowl dreams already in trouble. We will discuss all that. There's a long list of cowboys that want to get paid right now. At the top of that list is Ezekiel Elliott Dak Prescott an Amari Cooper doc and Amari are at camp and they don't seem too worried about their contracts but Zeke is hanging out in Kabo right about now. I wonder what he's up to yesterday. Jerry Jones said quote when have not been able to get a deal done. We're joined now by Rob Parker so rob how much trouble is Jerry and with all of these contracts. He's in a little trouble from the standpoint that I think I'm surprised that Jerry is not just going to take care of Ezekiel Elliott from the standpoint. This is the same guy that he went to bat for with the Commissioner. Remember even try to cu two GIG goodell dell out. He was so outraged about the suspension so you have one of those situations. You're Jerry Jones trying to win a championship which which you haven't been able to do since win Jimmy Johnson skip right. He parted ways with Jimmy Johnson Shannon here it is your opportunities. Dare your windows open. Your Championship. Biological clock is ticking Jerry. What are you doing and this is one of those situations where yeah yeah he wasn't expecting issued and expect Dak Prescott skip in the fourth round the wind up being your franchise quarterback so you made a trade Amari Cooper came and was big time for you and when you gave away a first round pick you expect that you'll have to pay some money for the guy and now you have the best wanted back in the league so you've got to figure it all out but to sit around and wait and play this game when you know Zeke Elliott is going to be the reason reason why you have a chance to win the super bowl or not and I mean the number one reason I get all the other pieces parts? He needs to get this done and stop playing around. Here's my my problem. You wait played at Emmett Smith Game Skip. You were there right the first two games you got an easy schedule giants Washington Miami God forbid you go in not fully loaded lose one or two of those games and then you know what it it might cost you might you might win the wild card rather than the division. You should go in this. You fully loaded expected and I don't WanNa see Ezekiel Elliott in week four skip trying to get back into shape playing shape there. If I'm Jerry Jones get it done paid a man just pay them or are you rooting for the cowboys. No I'M NOT GONNA put a cowboy but I'm rooting for Ezekiel Elliott paid 'cause he's done nothing produced since he's been here and don't give me the off the field stuff the the cowboys lead the league other than maybe the Bengals and Felon and felons on their team and you notice give Greg Hardy. He's gone out you. Can't you know putting together acquire a boys choir. He's done it before so you can't use that against Ezekiel Elliott now by the way we have fellows. We don't have felling better better way to put it. The thing is I think the three guys they have the leverage because they've outperformed the contracts and the question of Jerry Jerry if all three guys unperformed their contracts would you have taken this long to cut them as you are taking this long to reward them for outperform their contract absolutely not not you see the thing. Is You keep saying this is a great problem to have and it would be if Zeke wasn't up if Zeke had three years lil if Amari had two years live if Dak had three years left yeah. That's a great problem to have coming down the road. It just so happens everything reached a crescendo basically at the exact same tab you built your team around your ability to run the football and play off of that that's why you took three alignment in the first row and they turn out to be all all pros you compensated them. Ezekiel Elliott has led the League in Russian two of the three years but he's led the League in yards per per game since he's been in the League and then you have Dak Prescott a fourth round pick that you thought was just GonNa hold of clipboard sit behind Tony Romo. Tony Romo gets hurt and Yada Yada Yada Yada next thing we know that is played his way into thirty plus million a year probably a hundred million guaranteed skip. You're asking for trouble by doing it this way you leaving the sour taste and guys mile because you gotTa Pay Amari Cooper because you gave up a first round pick. If you don't sign it you basically your first round pick up twenty nineteen. That's why you you knew this. You knew it was going into with Contra is if option here on the contract you that within the last year and you waited you let Russell Wilson set another market. You said a Rogers and then you let the guy walk it to get one hundred twenty eight thirty eight million one hundred eight million guarantee skip. That's your market. You're in trouble cool and I hate to be the bearer bad news. Actually I don't get it done or else so rob Parker. Is You notice right now. My Man Shannon Sharpe is in all his glory. He is so happy because he's on his way to Canton Ohio. He's GonNa Rub goal jacket elbows does with all the other hall of famers what topic Du Jour will be how to kill their big trouble now because Jerry can't pay all three of them in Jerry's up in Jerry's right. That's all they'll do the topic on everybody's lips because everybody wants to talk about the Dallas. Cowboys can't stop talking about the Dallas cowboys unfortunately for you Mr Sharp it is only August. The second can't write happy Ernestine tomorrow August moral happy birthday. Tom Brady Ernestine. Tom Brady they got that in common greatness right artist first of all skim earnestly her own happy to be combined with Tom Brady so I remind you it's only August second a. and the season opener isn't until September the eighth. That's a long way away right. What are you always tell me he who laughs laughs last laughs best? I will have the last three last laughs before September eighth because as Jerry Said said yesterday one of I got one of these done he always gets them done when it comes to money jerry is genius when it comes to salary cap he invents loopholes he creates new ways to get creative with the CAP and you'll sit back and say how did he do that because Jerry has genius when it comes to money maybe not football decisions. I'm glad I'm not saying it but when it comes to making money spending lending money genius he has revolutionized the way he makes money within the confines of the National Football League. Am I right Mr Sharp. He will figure yeah. You're this out again. Zeke went the wrong way. I told you this from the start because I know Jerry Zeke should have showed up the first day in camp and buddied up to Jerry and he would have gotten his deal much quicker and much better and much more easily if he had gone the easy way the sweet way a love you Jerry Rian Jerry love and back and give him his deal instead Jerry's going to fight fire with fire. Zeke wants to play hardball most Amiss Camp and go to Kabul all. That's hard ball up here but don't you think now I think the one in backs in his league the C._B._I.. Doesn't work for them. They have a shorter shelf life and they'd be right Shannon being controlled do their first five years and then after five years teams. Don't WANNA pay is worn off fall. It's Jerry's fault assistance so union. I've said this to Shannon many time yeah. It's like the worst union deal ever seen all right well for running backs. We saw oh do it and now Malcolm Melvin Melda. Gordon Gordon is doing the same thing right okay for what I understand left after all that money on the table at four hundred touches he's worried he's going to get hurt and then he doesn't get a deal at all okay but to your first point remember Jerry did go the distance for Zeke. He fought he put his his reputation on the line for Ezekiel Elliott and there's a quote from yesterday city I felt strongly. Zeke had the high ground in the accusations against him so he's done it every incident he is he has fought for and protected in defended Ezekiel Elliott and how Zeke responded that by missing camp and going to Kabo Jerry took that personally so this has become a little bit personal plus get. We saved all the time this business. This is money right so I get it. Jerry fallen trying to Chen and take up for him but now this is money. I need need to get paid but here's the thing robin everybody knows. Jerry thought he had a super bowl contending team. That's why he was fighting for Ezekiel Elliott guilty guilty or not whether he believes it yes or no at the end of the day he knows he has a much greater chance if Ezekiel Elliot's on the field running the football now now now like you said he went the backboard. He put his reputation on the land. He tried to order a coup against the Commissioner House to commission them. You try to fight commissioner making too much money now Zeke Wilson Money Man. You don't need to pay running backs. The League is already said their development in the no no no no you you don't get to have it both ways Jerry. You don't get the fight for me in what is because you walk me on the field and then when I take myself off the field so we we go here. We Win without it we don't. We don't really need him like that. Okay I'll I gotta say about Jerry. Jones is Zeke has picked a battle. He's going to lose because if you fight from money with Jerry Jones he's been doing his quote yesterday. Was I've done this a lot more than these players have so I have more patience. He will wait eight this out and lose. Did he lose the contract. I thought he took far less than I thought he was going to get. You're thinking it was it was about fifty fifty about <hes>. Let's end this Jerry came running back when they were all went to to start the year well it expedited things I would say and obviously does Jerry need cherie sure he needs Zeke. Will he get it done bottom line yes by September eighth done. Yes you need to know because if not you're in trouble <hes> you're going to be a trouble yeah. Okay Well Hall of famers. I said Hi oh the first person the first person I'm GonNa find is Mike Urban. I go to the Super Bowl. It's GonNa have a lot of stories as for us when he gets back next weekend. We are moving on to David Griffin Wide Heathrow Braun under the bus yesterday. This is getting interesting sting. We'll tell you next see here's the thing we thought Lebron had a good relationship with his former cavs G._M.. David Griffin but probably <hes> not anymore. Griffin told sports illustrated that he was miserable working with Lebron in Cleveland. He added quote literally the moment we won the championship. I knew who I was going to leave. There was no way I was going to stay for any amount of money. Griffin also said about Lebron quote. I don't think he's the same animal anymore about winning going after the article was released Lebron tweeted this all right all right enough is enough. The throne has been played with too much and I ain't for horseplay ether are coming soon and then plenty of Emoji nine followed Rob Parker is still with us rob. Do you have a problem with the's comments from Griffin Shannon. Can you see me yes. Yes your mood of course not I got. I got to say this this. This is like here's an old T._v.. Reference for you candid camera. Nobody could be more candid than David. Griffin wasn't what I mean by that is this is was like he didn't know he was talking about where he's just being honest and a conversation talking to your best friend these comments here are not what normally normally somebody would do if you're still in the business still have to see that guy he asked us to deal with some ideas are really really honest and these are the things we've been talking talking about forever. Lebron never takes the blame. It's always somebody else. It's not fun. That's why players won't come play with them and don't give me Anthony Davis this 'cause he's under the same management agent Management Gimme somebody who's not who doesn't share the same age then I'll buy that somebody wants to play okay where he Lebron and don't tell me about being seagraves players who are looking for a ring and all that joy abroad who they go play who wanted to go play with the Katie. WanNa go the carry Jimmy Butler you mean the guy just won a championship with no with no. How do we fix that guy know? All I know is Paul. George didn't want to come back to Los Angeles to play Lebrons what he came to the clippers to play play with Kyle Cova California and don't give me that don't give me that southern California don't give me that southern California that the clippers favorite team and that's what I don't I want to hear that he's not by now but I just thought David Griffin a lot of stuff that he talked about. I thought was spot on really really really honest. I don't think he was just going out to Lebron. He was being honest to still use the word miserable he could say it was tough to work. Work Will Abroad Lebron wouldn't committee organization. He's asking us to make moves for two and three years down the road and he's only committed to one those are all honest takes on what he's talking about but to use the term miserable that's as candidate as you can be Shannon. That's not Mickey Mouse around around so I love that he was honest. In this situation for guy was still in the business. I didn't have any problem with it. Did Lebron have a probable abroad ron have a problem. I guess he won't be as friendly with them now after that stuff but I don't think that he went like after Lebron I think the asked him some questions and I think he was on my question is so so why do you need to have a press conference to offer clarifications. You said what you said Elliot stand by what you said and keep it moving. Why would you need to have a press conference Rob Parker? Why is he sending out now? That's not what he meant. Why would he do that? If you say you'RE GONNA. I'll stand you stand on this this. You have an honest conversation. Is there reason to have a press conference to offer clarification because that's where we all in this world everybody body hype about the week people walk by every day Shannon because they don't know how it plays I think he was being honest and then when it came out and sometimes you know this thing's imprint look totally different but when you say when people can go back and read it you go you comedic hard it can be. I'll tell you what I'll tell you what normally when someone says they've been missed misquoted. They were saying play the transcript. Tell David Griffin to have that gentleman to release the transcript so we'll have perfect context of what he's saying. You don't want that because there might even be worse than what the guy imprint say it but anyway with that been withstanding he was without a job. He's working for N._B._A.. T._V. Rob. Why didn't you say that then why what did he say that Lebron James brought into the courtroom and that he won and you can win with the guy like that see? I'm a guy if I got something to say to you. Uh I bet you. I bet you five dollars to a bucket of Boo John. I said to your face. I ain't GonNa wait till I'm away from you and say this. You know exactly exactly how Shannon Sharpe feels about basically everyone. I don't get behind closed door and say I'm taking out of context. No this is how <hes> Wi fi you the man hold on the would he didn't get the contract extension Lebron James tweeted. I appreciate you grip. Even if no one else does his he tweeted forty three million followers about the winery the venue the whatever his wife saying talk glowing praise about grip game a recommendation and this is the things that we get no good deed goes unpunished Cornish Shannon. Do you want people to be honest. I mean and talk about it in life. I think some I've always it's not always as as pretty as you think it is and they Raunchy I will be honest and say you know what Griff was terrible. The only reason guys came was because of me Eh because the you know what grip before first of all grid got the job because Chris Plante got fired. Let's be real. We're going to get an opportunity to find out just how good of a general romance that he is. Now you know the standard deals if he doesn't WanNa Championship now what rob what do you say then. Oh and least he's happy I. I'd rather be happy than win. Is that what you're GONNA say Ron. I'M NOT GONNA say it's about winning. It is about winning okay by the way Shannon Sharpe today. You're <unk> hiding in a little box so you're not saying it to our face. You're hiding in your box. Where are you up? I'll be back Monday. Okay okay so you don't have a gun to our face. You have to hide your little box. Now back to Jimmy's question. Do I have a problem with David. No I don't have a problem. I've been saying the same things for years on television that he said in this article I co-signed on all the points he made Lebron wants all the credit you know none of the blind zero part of the blame and again has Lebron lost his zest for winning is the winning animal he used to be in Cleveland before they broke through through and got lucky and draymond got suspended and they came from three one down to win that championship four Cleveland Nope. He's not been the same since then to me but it again. David said it and we're going to have a huge problem is if he has a big press conference and says. I didn't say that I didn't say that and I didn't say that or that's out of context which I never quite understand because these quotes stand alone what context you need that he was miserable. Okay Ah Skipping Charles Barkley Bid Myth quoted in his autobiography. How you get what you say he did say so we also might here and I'm not casting any aspersions on the young SL writer who conducted the interview and wrote the piece but we might hear I thought some of that was off the record well then you set it and it got into print? Whose fault is that? The one thing I always loved about Jerry Jones we spoke of in our last topic was I did three books. That heavily involved Jerry Jones. I spent literally hundreds of hours hanging out with him. Just interviewing interviewing him. Sometimes I was taking notes. Sometimes I was taping and sometimes we were just talking. Jerry made it clear to me whatever comes out of his mouth is quotable quotable like like he nothing off the record. I'll I'll just talk well. You got to respect that and David Griffin. I think is not a good talker. I think he's a great interview and when he gets wound up and its rolling maybe he thought some of it was just in idle conversation with the writer just talking to a ride on a means you talked about mention. I'm sorry nobody better skip. He better not say say he thought he was being off the record because then context does not matter no because you thought you was off the record. That's why you're saying you're trying to add contact <unk>. After the fact you're not going to be able to do that. You're better off not having a press conference giant leaving it as what the stuff that he talked about an this is Lebron and we're telling me lose. He didn't have help. I can you expect them to win. No matter what they've brought them all he doesn't have help the other part to Hollywood part and Lebron Lebron's said it himself won one championship remember when the tape he said that's when I became the go he basically said he was done that was his crowning moment and when he came here skip on this very show. What did I say? I said he came to L.. A. B. Meryl Streep he came here to the Hollywood part of it. It wasn't about us. We ball well. No this is the first time he came without a team in place. You remember this was not look. Brawl upon us never ever done that. The Measure Quick Question Rob David Griffin said he's a different animal. He doesn't have the same but when they traded Carrie and David Griffin was no longer general general manager. Can you tell the people where Lebron James ended up in a row parker. What do you mean where do you end up winning? The finals. Oh in the final that same Madam Easy Eastern Conference Will Lebron had a cake walk every year. Come on Shannon came. You say you can make you see what you do. You see what you do rock. He goes is the is the easy conference now he didn't. He didn't demand that the Lakers go get a second superstar. Like why did I have not heard rob. Parker say one thing about demanding the second superstar. I have not heard Rob Parker say one thing thing about Paul George demanding trade just like A._D._d.. With two years left on his contract but you see what you did that Rob Parker out starting to see you starting the little skip. You've been around too long you start to rub off on them. You start to look just like everything yeah. y'All look alike. Look alike yeah yeah. I know O.`Neil every everything that Lebron says does is bad but Saying I need you to train me with two years left on my contract. Can you tell me the difference and I say you know what rock you're right that did do I get the old part about out of the adding another store. Nobody said Lebron shouldn't get a that was the plan as that he was going to add another star to come with them. So that's one Lebron tries to do is stack the deck. He wanted to one Leonard as well. He wanted three guys. That's what he did. In Miami. He always wants to index stack and he's the one created balancing. Women go back with the deck's stacked and Golden State was this was the decks also drawn. Look Braun is one who did that made Golden State decided that they wanted to add Kevin Durant Raphael Lameta question so Larry Bird Kevin McHale Robert Pairs and Dennis Johnson. That's not a stacked deck. Those plays you want me to give you a history lesson