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Where Whiskey Runs Like Water

Aerial America

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Where Whiskey Runs Like Water

"This is the home of the oldest registered distillery in the United States and its renowned whiskey named after Jasper Newton Daniel better known as Jack Daniel. When he was just a teenager, Jack. Daniel bought his whisky distillery from the local Lutheran minister. He handcrafted the sour mash whiskey from his secret ingredient, the spring water piped into the distillery of a nearby limestone cave. Ironically, Lynchburg Tennessee is a dry town. So while the whiskey can be distilled here it can't be purchased.

Jasper Newton Daniel Jack Lynchburg United States Tennessee
[Bonus] Brought To You By from Business Insider: Jack Daniel's

Proof

35:02 min | 8 months ago

[Bonus] Brought To You By from Business Insider: Jack Daniel's

"Hey proof listeners. We hope you enjoyed season for of proof as much as we enjoyed making it and we're already working hard on season five, so that's going to be coming to you later on in the fall. In the meantime we're sharing a wonderful episode from our friends at brought to you by brought to you by is a podcast that finds the untold stories about the impact that big household name brands have on our world. Our lives our culture. There's a story about how way back in the nineteen seventies TGI Fridays was part, restaurant and part tender, and there's another episode that covers how selling Kentucky Fried Chicken became a Christmas tradition in Japan because of one very scrappy entrepreneur. In this episode, you'll meet a man a very important man that history forgot. And you'll also meet the extraordinary woman who changed her own course in life to help us remember and celebrate this man. It's a story about the beauty of a community coming together to set the record straight to do what's right. It tells the friendships that are just budding and recounts those that bloomed even in the darkest of times. This is a story about American food ways and their contributions. It's about how legacies are set through the brands that we eat and drink. Now if you love this episode as much as I did, there's plenty more from the fine folks at brought to you by, and you can listen wherever you get your podcasts now enjoyed the episode. You? Guys, what they're doing here only happens one to two days out of the week. I'm going to be honest. This is really exciting. Very rarely does a person actually get to see this happen? I met the Jack Daniel's distillery in Lynchburg Tennessee and what I'm watching is a crucial step, and why the whiskey that's made here is unique under this huge puts surrounded by four concrete pillars is an enormous stack of sugar, Maple Wood, and it is on fire. It's GonNa Barn for an hour and a half. It's going reach. Temperatures closed eighteen hundred degrees, and when it's done, it's natural charcoal that charcoal be ground up into. Pieces and then using a process called charcoal mellowing wall. We're GONNA strip beer whiskey through charcoal. In. This is what makes us at Tennessee whiskey. This is gonNA. Make your whiskey extremely smooth, and this is what separates us from a Bourbon for more than one hundred and Fifty Years Jack Daniels has been making whisky this way going all the way back to the day when Jack Daniel, made it himself. Yes, he was a real person and Y'all are only listening to me because I have a kindle whiskey sitting right there. In Tennessee, there's a long tradition of Scotch. Irish settlers who turn grains like corn into Moonshine, but charcoal filtering. Let's not something they were known to do before coming here, so where to Jack Daniel, pick that up from nearest green, the formerly enslaved man who taught him how to make whisky. What nearest green did and what he changed. What we now forever? No is Tennessee whiskey coming. From business insider, this is brought to you by brand. You can trust brands. No stories. You don't on Charlie Berman. Donald. Jack Daniels is the number one selling whiskey in the world. It's been the drink of choice for celebrities and performers bring Sinatra to Bruce Springsteen, cowboys and western slug back shots and regular. Folks like you and me drink it. I'm partial Jack and coke with every sip you can taste colonel and Vanilla with hint of sweetness, but in each class there are also traces of our nation's history and the ongoing movement. Give credit to people who have been left out forgotten as the company. Jack Daniel's acknowledges the truth about its founding one woman is making sure the world knows that story, the one about nearest green, the nation's first. African American, masters, Stiller one seven at atomic. STAY WITH to understand the story of near scream. It starts with knowing more about Jack. Daniel and their friendship and the best place to do that is where it all began Lynchburg Tennessee. So I win. Zach Daniels. My name is Jed. I'M GONNA. Be Your tour, guide and Yeah! My mom named me jet. Yeah it happens all right. The distillery is nestled among the hills in Tennessee, walking country about an hour and a half south east of Nashville Ironically Jack Daniels is in a dry county, but don't worry. They let you get a taste of the whiskey. After your tour, we'll be covering history I production second, and at the very end of the tour. We will be sitting down sipping top shelf whiskey you. You chose wisely aright. It is a huge operation with facility spread out over two thousand acres. We serve the entire world from this county and only discount, despite it's size and the enormous amount of whiskey. It sells every year. Jack Daniels is proud of being made according to old fashioned traditions and slowly aged for years before it's considered good enough to drink that spirit yet it draws hundreds of thousands of Jack Daniels fans to visit each year. We Love Jack Daniels so we wanted to see where it was made. On our buckle to come down here anyway, so yeah, definitely, find your bucket list. Yeah, just something that I have to do before I die read. Traveled to Nashville for a quick vacation. So this is ls a fully flat this afternoon. On this tour our guide Jed has about twenty people including one Pesky podcast host from places like Illinois Iowa. Massachusetts Montreal and Ireland it kicks off in front of a seven story building near the top of the hill. You're looking at a million gallons of Jack inside that one building. Yeah you've arrived. And eventually winds its way is. We're going to go walk around the corner. Want to show you jack off his property to the opening of Limestone Cave that with fresh spring water. It's where Jack Daniels set up his still and started making whisky on the property, Visser Jack was born about five miles south in here. He was born the youngest in eighteen, fifty six when Jack was. was still a child. He became a farmhand for neighbor. Dan Call Call also owned a still along with being a Lutheran preacher, and it was on that farm that Jack learned how to make whisky as an adult. He bought the property where the distillery is today. His One story office is still standing in it a highlight of the tour. That is the actual safe that killed Jack. One morning, Jack kicked it in frustration, broke his toe, and it later had to be amputated that led to severe complications and eventually his death. y'All WanNa Touch Yucca Duchy guys just don't. Sorry to kill. Over the course of an hour and a half jed tells us a lot about Jack's life. How he was only five foot two, how he never married, and passed the business on to his nephew, and he also mentions the man who had a big impact on the direction of Jack's life now, the man who taught Jack to make whisky was Mr Nate the nearest green, Nathan Green or as is usually called nearest sometimes uncle nearest Mr Green during the time of the civil war before emancipate. He was infected enslavement over on the call property. Unlike Jack Though less is known about nine green. There aren't vivid stories about his life or the random objects. He kicked just the bear details. Here's Nelson Eddy. The distilleries historian, the earliest book on Jack, Daniels that we have was written in the nineteen sixties, and it tells the story of Jack and nearest not only them working together, but a friendship that they had that Book Jack Daniels Legacy was written by journalist who went to Lynchburg to do research an interview members of both families. It recounts a story when. I still in slave man was directed to teach a young Jack how to make whiskey and for a long time. This was about the extent of what people knew about nearest you know the Bible for the Jack Daniels tour was always the legacy book in the Legacy Book. It clearly tells the nearest Greens Jack Dino story a few years ago, however, the company relies nearest was not brought up regularly on tours, and he had largely vanished to the world outside of Lynchburg so Jack. Daniels saw an opportunity in twenty-six Teen During One Hundred Fiftieth Anniversary. It was a story. We said. Hey We might like to highlight this. Because, not only did near a show Jack how to make whisky. How charcoal filter out impurities working side by side with enslaved man appears to have had a profound influence on him even after he became a successful businessman, it's something Nelson points to in a photo of an older Jack surrounded by the men who worked at the distillery. This was taken at the nineteen hundreds in the American south. And at that time, it would not have been the custom to seat immediately to the owners, right. An African American individual. Typically, they would be standing at the back. But not in this photograph. And When that photograph was uncovered, we wondered at the time. Who The gentlemen might be well The Green family has informed us that that is a George Green nearest green son. To of nearest green sons came to work with Jack when he moved his whiskey still to its current location later, nearest grandsons would work at the distillery today. Three of his descendants still work at Jack Daniels in fact since its founding in eighteen, sixty six, there has always been a member of the Green family working at the Jack Daniel's distillery. This history, largely unknown to the world, outside of Lynchburg struck a chord with reporter from the New York Times, and when his story was published in June, twenty sixteen. It featured this image of Green Next Jack Daniel. As there is no confirmed image of nearest green. One woman who read that article was gone weaver, and that photo Qatar I for the same reason. It fascinated Nelson the historian at Jack Daniels. The person in the center is an African. American man and it is as if Jack seeded the center of the photo to this African American man, and then stood just to the left of him and the question be gay. Who was that African American man? With that question and many more fun new which he had to do I became fascinated. Some people say I became obsessed. Whatever you WANNA call it. I became something and I decided to go to Lynchburg Tennessee. Though she had no connection to Mir and his family, she was determined no more about him. She was willing to move to Lynchburg in up in her entire life. To make sure the world would never again forget nearest green. Her story and his after the break. We're back in two thousand sixteen. Fon Weaver was an author and investor who lived in Los Angeles drink of choice Bourbon at Eh Taylor to be exact and barrow proof neat. That was about the extent of her connection to the industry. Then she read the story about nearest green, and saw the picture of his son and right there. She decided she had to go visit this small southern town where she. She knew no one and really didn't know what she'd find. She wasn't too concerned, but her husband was. I, mean you know we're African? American the city's called Lynchburg, so he had some pretty major reservations about my fascination with this story, and going to Lynchburg after being there for two days and meeting the people and seeing how not only wonderful they were how they were so open to helping. Helping, US, piece together this story and completely changed how he viewed when Fon got to town, she headed straight to Jack Daniels and went on several tours, but she said she didn't hear about near a screen like his name was not even mentioned which she found strange, the company said in that news article had planned to recognize him. It turns out however Jack. Daniels chose to wait on making any modifications. Modifications to the tours in the middle of Twenty Sixteen presidential election that article in the New York Times had proved to be a bit of a lightning Rod. Reactions ran from positive to negative. Some people wondered if the company had hidden history of nearest while others questioned its accuracy representative for Jack Daniels later said it worried about being criticized for trying to gain financially from featuring the story of nearest. In the end what Faan saw was that nearest was still missing, so she got to work very quickly. She pulled together documents and establish trust among the residents of Lynchburg who turned out, already knew part of the story like Nelson, Eddy, the, historian Jack Daniels Story of nearest green is something here in Lynchburg? They've long known Mayor Bonnie Lewis Definitely knew anybody that has. Study Dini his of Jack. Daniel knows the nearest greene story, and perhaps not surprisingly so did the great great granddaughter of nearest. Green Victoria Butler everyone. Lynch Park has always now. It was never secret the relationship between the Greens and the Daniels sliver secret in Lynchburg. Was that a revelation to you that wait, everybody here knows the story already. Oh, it was a complete revelation, so I'm in Lynchburg there to do some research and I'm getting a pedicure of all places and. Talks into the Nelson Right and I'm getting better here and I. Just asked the woman I tell her. There for and I said when that story came out in the New York Times I mean how did people here react? And she looks at Menges like well. We all knew the story already, so it was like totally not a big deal to us, and so I think that they didn't even recognize how significant this story is to America when the residents of Lynchburg met Fawn. Fawn and understood her interest in the story of nearest and how she wanted to tell it, they wanted to get involved and began actively seeking her out to share documents artifacts photographs with her. In fact, it started her first day doing research at the local library I wasn't even there for two hours before Jack's eldest descendent comes into the library and before she leaves i. I have telephone numbers and information on your screen sentence because they grew up together, they ate around the dinner table together. They were friends, so we begin there. And then she said you know where he grew up and where the distillery was where he learned how to make whisky. You realize that's for sale well. No, I didn't even I. wouldn't even thought the farm, was you? You know that they're still out there and an hour later causing calls me, and says I'm a Realtor I. Hear You WanNa. Go see the Dan Call Farm. You ran into my cousin at the library. I can take you up there, and and that is just the way these pieces began to fall together fond, and her husband bought that farm and have since restored it. Also assembled a team of more than twenty archivists, archaeologists, genealogists and historians who put in time and work to search for information about green and his family. They did research at the National Archives and the Library of Congress. They examined irs, Documents and census reports. Vaughn also interviewed the family near Green and along the way brief them on her findings in total estimates, they've collected more than ten thousand documents and. And other items about nearest and his family as well as Jack Daniel Lynchburg and distilleries in Tennessee the irony of it. All and I think this is a part of how I know that the story was just meant to be told no one ever build me to this day. No one has ever build me on the work that they did to help. This story uncovered with that information. FAWN has been. been able to piece together more details about nearest Greens life including where she believes he was born in the eighteen seventy census. There's one page where every single person put t in Tennessee for their answer to the question, were you born except nearest green next to his name? It's marked MD for Maryland Font also thinks she's narrow down the year he was born eighteen twenty. However, you have to remember African. African Americans were property, not people until the end of eighteen sixty five, so you have these census takers in eighteen seventy that showing up at the doors, and now all of a sudden they're counting African Americans. Not As property, but as people and they're looking at them and saying what's your name and they're telling them their name. How do you spell it I? Don't know I. Don't read them right. Well, how old are you I? Don't know I don't have a birth certificate and so there are literally looking the census when it comes to African. Americans is so inaccurate because there literally looking at you and trying to tell how old you are I. Don't know if you've ever heard the saying that black. Don't crack, but when I look at it and I see an eight thousand eighty. They said he's sixty I'm thinking he's closer. So. I don't know we don't know his age. We WanNA. Think we know his age, but we don't. It's one of several examples that demonstrates how hard it can be to learn about people who had been enslaved. There's often little documentation, but when nearest became a freeman, there were more records, and that's where fond made perhaps her biggest discovery one that even Jack Daniels did not know nearest was more than a teacher. He was Jack's I. Master Distiller, and that makes nearest green, the first African American one on record in the United States, being the first African American master. Master Distiller. I don't think that we should or can take that lightly. Because there are only so many things that we can give African American credit for during a period of time where we couldn't trademark, we couldn't patent. We could not have our own inventions so defined out that there was someone who left. This legacy of excellence behind is not small in the least bit font shared her findings with the leadership of Jack Daniels and pretty quickly installed a large display at the visitor center about nearest and his family, and it started talking about more frequently during tours. Most important in two thousand seventeen, the company officially acknowledged that nearest green was the first master distiller at Jack Daniels. Thanks to tax records, fond knows nearest kept making whisky until eighteen eighty four, but after that there's a sixteen year gap that she still trying to piece together. What is a burning question that you have about nearest green that you are still trying to answer whereas he barend? got. So. We believe that we know where he is and his entire family around the tombstone that we believe is his, but the original cemetery records were lost, and we're still digging to figure out. Is that him if she can confirm where he's buried? She hopes that will give her another thread to follow about nearest. Those small details that can lead to big discoveries, and it makes for a better story to if you know how it ends. It's important here to put the work that fond inner team, or doing in a broader context, because as much as it is about one person nearest green, it's about something bigger giving credit to the contributions by people who've been left out of history, whatever the reason we have a history, and which, even though it's filled with words, it's not necessarily filled with truth for example, the method of making whisky that nearest taught Jack a filtering it through charcoal. It's now believed came from West. Africa were. Were charcoal is still used today to purify food and water in other words, the very process that defines Daniels Whiskey and Tennessee Whiskey, broadly, speaking, most likely originated with the people forcibly brought to this country as slaves. Tennessee whiskey is your first American, like truly all American spirit, because you are taking what West Africans brought with them, and you're putting it with whites that are here and you're creating a product that is uniquely indigenous to books and I. Don't know of any other that has. has done that. This is particularly alive moment in terms of looking at African American. History Jessica Harris is a professor and author and a food historian WHO's been studying the food of Africa, and what happened to it after it left that continent and arrived in places like the US people are being reclaimed in many ways, people are being discovered in many ways. It's a real kind of unearthing and a repositioning of things I think that's a good thing you can that legacy here in foods like? Like Okra and watermelon and possibly even seed rice. They're also genetic traces of Africa in Texas longhorn cattle. There's also cooking techniques and the people themselves like Thomas. Jefferson chef and enslave. Man named James Hemmings. Yes, that hemmings, Sally's brother James Trained as chef in Paris when Jefferson was the ambassador to France, and he returned with Jefferson to the US and kept cooking for him. We all know Jefferson brought back ice cream, Jefferson back macaroni and cheese. What the question is was Jefferson cooking it. And that's where James hemmings comes in. Because of her extensive research and writing Harris's the lead curator of an exhibit in New York called African. American making the nation's table with the Museum of food and drink. It explores the history of African American contributions to agriculture, hospitality, entrepreneurship and beverages. Hello, near screen. It also presents a more complete picture of our nation's history, because as Harris puts it African. American food is American food and that started with slavery, basically african-americans. Grew, food. Harvested the food processed the food cook. The food served. The food cleared the table. And emptied the chamber pots. That's about is. Totally involved in the American food chain as you can be. As important as it is to uncover these histories and confront sometimes difficult truths. That does not always mean people will remember Fon. Weaver worried about that. She feared that simply documenting the facts about green might not be enough for people to know his story. We have so much history, but how does it get out there? What is the medium? So she decided to do with did not do open a whisky distillery. She called a ankle nearest. A new brand could write an historical wrong keeping his name on people's lips for generations to come. That story after the break. Welcome back! Thanks to fond inner team to understand the story of near screen you can go to the place where it's being told Shelbyville Tennessee, so I went. We've taken this. Hay Hay Barn. And we're making turf I bothering house. My Guide is Sherry more. The operations manager for uncle nearest premium whisky located about an hour southeast of Nashville. So what does this in here? This will be where we store barrels for single barrel. The distillery is being built on the site of Tennessee walking horse farm spread out over nearly three hundred acres of green pastures are several whitewash stables with green roofs, renovating these existing structures and building new ones will cost an estimated fifty million dollars and be completed in about two years already finished is temporary visitor center and the corporate offices. They are four stalls. So this win. Was Son still lot? So! I'm trying to get pictures of him to put on my wall since that was his home. And now it become office. Sherry has a long history with whiskey. She's the cousin of the oldest living relative of Jack Daniel. She spent thirty one years working at Jack. Daniels including directing whiskey operations when she retired, she became a real estate agent. In fact, Sheri's the one who sold that farm to Fawn in her husband, the one where nearest target Jack how to make whisky. By the way a picture of that farmhouses on the uncle nearest label typically when you're in real estate in your showing property to somebody from California, they do not buy the farm. They get back to California and decide. That was a bad idea, but they actually bought the farm and great piece of history, and they purchase it, so I met them on their second day when Fon arrived in Tennessee. She was not thinking about selling whiskey. Let alone building a multi-million dollar distillery. She was thinking more along the lines of writing a book about near a screen, and still on her to do list, but a couple of things happened that. That changed her mind as she got to know. The people in the community like Sherry and members of the Green family, she kept hearing the same thing about making a whiskey with nearest name on it from Sherry. It was if I ever decided to honor nearest with a bottle. She would come out of retirement to make sure I got it right. And then learning, come out of retirement mint, which is, she's the best in the business. Okay, so that was in the back of fawns mind, and then, when she spoke to some of nearest descendants and I said what is that one thing you think should happen in order to honor? Nearest to honor your ancestor, and they said we think his name should be on a bottle. Then one day she went to see the movie hidden figures with a few of those family members I cannot do my work effectively if I do not have all of the data and all of the information as soon as available I need to be in that room. Hearing what you? If, you don't know the movie. It's based on the true story. Three African American, women who played key roles in the space program Fawn in the family loved the movie, and they saw parallels to the story of nearest green and his relationship with Jack. Daniel, but about three weeks later, when Fawn was thinking about the movie, and what people had been saying to her, it all connected. I realized I could not tell you the name of one person. person who was a hidden figure? I can tell you Octavia Spencer I could tell you John L. Monet to Raji P.. Hinson I could tell you who played the characters, but I could not actually tell you who the people were whose legacy that entire movie was built to tell, and that's when we realized hundred years from now nobody's going to near says name unless it's on a bottle with that realization. She decided to go into the Whiskey business. I she found a source of Tennessee whiskey. She thought good enough to bear the name uncle nearest then in July twenty seventeen, she launched the brand since then raised the money to finish building the new distillery, and has already started making whisky that will be sold once it finishes aging. It's almost as if the entire universe conspire to make sure this story was told, and for whatever reason I was chosen to tell the story I felt very operation, saying it that way, but that it's the only explanation that that I can give. It's also happening very fast already. She's selling three different whiskies. Let's facing. Eight eighty four is on your left, which includes leading tastings, the country and each time telling the story of uncle nearest gave for. That year is the last year that we actually have records near scrape already. The whiskies are sold in all fifty states, and in a dozen countries outside of the US and in the few years since uncle nearest was introduced, the whiskies have won multiple awards. We start off. Afterwards world's Best Tennessee whiskey most recently at the world whiskies award in New York and that goes to. Uncle nearest. On is also brought the green family into the whiskey business. In fact, the master blender that's the person who decides what the final whiskey will taste like Victoria Butler one of nearest descendants. Which one did you blend that eight, hundred eighty four? And why is it eighteen eighty four? That is the year that we believe near screen last with skin a barrel. Cheers. Cheers It's delicious. It's got a lot of sweetness to it. For sure the now. It's a little. It's a little bit Nettie. Little like butterscotch. It's better scotch that comes from the Oak. Victoria has been almost thirty one years working for the federal government before she retired. Thanks to find, she has a second unexpected career. Though perhaps it's not too surprising. Considering who her great great grandfather was whiskey villa is in my blood. and. Had it not been for this brand? Being launched a may have never tapped into that so I'm thrilled to be doing what I'm doing now to have. The honor of being the first African American female to be master blender of a major spirit is huge and so i. don't take that lightly, and so I'm loving and. Master blender Victoria Butler. Her office at the distillery is down the hall from Sherry more, the operations manager and across the hall is fawns. Who I might add is the first. African American woman to own and run a major spirit brand. Our brand is the first major spirit brand ever to be led by all women I think. When we calculated them, there were like ten I. There are things like me being the first, African American on the cover of major whisky magazine like these types of I. You would've thought happened before, but no apparently these are the years to to break all the records. Making history in twenty twenty, just like in eighteen, sixty six, when nearest green became Jack Daniels I master distiller, the First Avenue American board, and for that matter, the last one for a major brand to. Remember that photo of Jack Next, George Green one of the sons of nearest the photo that sent fond down the unexpected road of creating a whiskey to honor him. The photos on the wall of these photos are all our master distiller. On the wall at the Jack Daniel's distillery. This is where Mr Nathan. Nearest grease picture belongs to memorialize one near accomplished and honor the friendship between him and Jack when the continues to this day among the families, visitors can now learn how after emancipation nearest kept working for Jack how Jack hate him a fair wage based on his skill, and how things Vaughn's research? We know that nearest when from slavery to becoming the wealthiest African American in Lynchburg potentially wealthier than some of his white neighbors. It's a story that visitors Jack. Daniels excited to hear like Stacey. Levine Ivan Stefan Oh. Do you think it's important to tell his part of the story when telling the Jack Daniel's story as well? I think. This story is probably just as important, if not more important because he's the the one who who made it happen. Here's the capitalist, and so the fact that he is a former slave, just adds to the the greatness of the story I think it's a story whose time has really come again. Nelson Eddy. The historian at Jack Daniels out of this really divided time comes the story people working together in this small town in the south. That's really a remarkable story. It's one I think we can be proud of. And Jack, Daniels we'd like to think that whiskey brings people together. But actually it's people like Jack in years. That could bring brings together. In the four years since fallen I read about nearest green. Her impact has been far reaching for Jack Daniels. Yes, but even more for nearest green and his family that includes establishing a foundation which provides scholarships for his descendants to go to college already, there are twelve recipients they're also plans to build a memorial park named after him near the Jack Daniel's distillery. What is done for my family is? Let the world know. Who near screen is so. Fine Waiver in my book has a Rockstar. Sometimes it takes a person from the outside to rediscover truths and uncover new ones that were always there, but just needed more attention and today thanks to the creation of uncle, nearest whiskey near story is one more people will like the here, because in the world of whiskey and Bourbon the good story, and is important as the actual. Drink itself especially when it's an important one. One. It's odd to say it this way, but it's it whiskey with a mission behind it, and I think that it will continue to be that long long long after I'm gone every time, someone orders Jack. Daniel's Tennessee whiskey. They're helping to keep his memory alive. That's been the case for more than one hundred fifty years. Font is creating the same legacy for nearest green. Everyone, I wanNa let you know this is the last episode of our. Let's call it winter season. Thank you so much for listening. 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It's got a huge David and Goliath by it does. It's exactly that kind of sling except for it throws bagels and I've got a very moldy bagel in there. I know you look horrified am I. I'm very touched by this gift. And the one thing he said on the note card that vaguely explained to operate it was do not use it inside. So I'm going to immediately do that. You already did immediately do that. You tried to use it in a kitchen. Not Not in the tiny confines of the recording. See so I'm just I'm just going to do it. Touched almond butter. I've been squeezing in my mouth. It did not the soundproofing off the wall slightly so so mad so if so you knew as soon as I got that in the mail I was going to have to throw it in the room where it would do damage to me. That's the only way this was going to go get it. It's over were. How're you doing today? So feel great. How are you? I'm doing fantastic. I got to throw a Bagel marks exotic because he didn't really did not work it hit with some force it did. My goal is always to do damage to the room and it did damage to the room. Sufis shooting daggers. At you with her beautiful guys. I'm slowly sipping coffee. It making eye contact the whole time so this is what the fans love. It's not the well researched essays. Anderson's five Sophia. Yes what do you know about Jerry. Falwell I mean nothing great. We're not gonNA learn nothing good. I'm just excited to be here for another baby. Murder themed episode is his not baby murder. Themed if you've if you've heard me on the spot as before you know that Robert Delights in torturing me with only the most innocent death so you know Sophia. It's it's that most most people aren't tough enough to handle the baby murderer episodes. I feel like that's one. An abusive dad says when he hits his belt. He's like no make a character better through character would if is it abusive. It's accidental just based purely on like Irresponsibility and recklessness. Yes okay well fair like what if your dad. Just doesn't make you buckle up early hypothetical for you. Yeah well Jerry. Falwell was kind of America's Dad And his career. I'll say this it's the opposite of of killing babies. Yes that is trail kind of. I mean he would say it's the opposite of killing babies. I would I'd say it's stripping people of their reproductive health right interest of clumps of cells but there's a disagreement on that fundamental level. Which is why are Dr America's sliding towards a precipice of any? He went to talk about Jerry Falwell. Let's get into this. According to some bullshit scrap of paper called the constitution religion and politics are supposed to be separate things in this country in fact churches can technically lose their tax exempt status. If they're seen to advocate Kate for specific party or candidate strongly oddly enough. That never seems to happen and a few million Christian fundamentalists have succeeded in holding large chunks of our national discourse hostage for decades now. Now how did this happen detail. Well it wasn't always this way. Sophia was it used to not be normal for religion and politics to be as is directly a thing as they are today in the answer to how things got where they are starts with a fella named Jerry Falwell today he is thankfully dead person but once upon a time he was alive and he fucked up a truly shocking amount of things for the rest of us. That's what this story is. This is the tale of how all of the different chunks of American Christianity at least the unreasonable chunks of American Christianity got together to really limit the rights of women and Gay People. That's that's that's that's the story of Jerry Falwell. I feel like you hate me because you're like unless invite a bisexual woman to talk. I want to invite the person who's going to be angriest hist about what we talk about today. Hey Fair enough. I got pissed off writing it like it was not a good time Jerry. Lamon Falwell I was born on August eleventh. Nineteen thirty three. That's a dope middle name. Why are we not focusing on? It isn't cool middle name. He had a twin brother named gene Who was born roughly at the same time but gene was boring? And we're not GonNa talk about him today. What about a sister Lululemon? Wouldn't it be weird. If that was the the reality of the situation that the same family gave us the religious right and Lululemon Yoga Pants. It's all evil so it is all evil. Yeah very overpriced Yoga Pants. Gene Green and Jerry were born in Lynchburg Virginia town named for the man who invented lynching fortunately he invented well. Okay but it's not actually a sad story he invented lynching to do it to British people. So it's not racist. Yeah I guess it's I'm fine with lynching British people aren't swayed alienate. Our Shaw Sophie. We've done so many episodes on British people British fans. I don't feel too big In English English God damn it took the name rights. See I know. Prince Harry's hot continue. I don't know what's not hot. The British Empire in the millions of people killed sharing. No Empires led Debbie Downer. I know and that's what lynching was invented. It was it was invented to Lynch colonial overlords Lords. So I'm just saying lynching turned into something problematic but it started from a good place a desire to hang colonial oppressors by I thumbs that was also the original lynching. I can't wait to see the t shirts this is going to inspire you. I don't know how I'm Robert Palmer. The ways in to defend lynching seriously you're making headlines Right now that no one needs and I am always trying to be cancelled. Which is why I recklessly throw Mouldy bagels else in a room well miles and I have invented cancel Vania and he lives that really? All right. Jerry Falwell's father Kerry Falwell which is frustrating to me frustration to right Jerry Yeah Yeah Kerry. Falwell was an incredibly successful apple businessman. He broke away from his family history of being poor farmers to start a grocery store in nineteen fifteen at the age of twenty two by nineteen twenty one. He done well enough to start opening a series service stations around Lynchburg to provide fuel for the growing automotive community. Carey's main innovation was to add a small store or restaurant to each of his stations. This idea proved popular enough enough that he eventually opened seventeen stores in the Lynchburg area so he invented that. Yeah I think he was like one gas station seven eleven type things one of of the guys like I think a few people hit upon the Were selling gas. We might as well sell some fuck and others therapies. Yeah yeah but he's like one of the one of the pioneers of the gas station market industry. That's Pretty Rad. Pretty red he's a he's a cool dude. You're you're going to like him more than than Jerry. I mean. That's not hard. Yeah that's not hard. He was an objectively better person Although still pretty terrible Yeah so Kerry success in the business led to him starting a new company distributing oil and gas to sixteen counties in Virginia Jerry. Falwell's best biographer. Michael Sean winters describes describes Jerry's upbringing as affluent. I prefer the term Rich Hill. Jerry grew up with no financial worries of any kind but that does not mean his childhood was easy. See Kerry follow was great business but the rest of his life was kind of a train wreck for one thing he was not the kind of dude who could keep on the street and narrow. He opened a hotel in a dance. Dance Hall which led him to sponsoring cockfights dogfights and a variety of venues. This was a legal at the time. These were not. You know respectable cockfights. He's okay this is the things that are going down for in this episode. You're dying on the hill of lynching and cockfights while I'm not dying. I'm just saying it was an illegal. There's a subterranean level to cancel Pennsylvania under regular Pennsylvania. And it's smells a lot there. Yeah IT'S A. It's a welcome only worse than cockfight smells. It's just story. Just ignore dogfight part of the story what the Fuck fucked up. I'm saying it's bad. I'm just saying he's dying on the hill or apologized Anderson. I am sorry Anderson. I just wanted to make it clear like Virginia in nineteen. Anything could be legal. I just wanted to make it clear that even even among in that these are not these were not legitimate dogfights again the facts separating it. It's like people who say what is it they're like. Oh Yeah There's consensual consensual sex and nonconsensual sex. No none conceptualist XS rave. You're doing a real similar job over there. I I assume there were legal dogfights. Virginia's well the good kind right away. Withdraw all dog. Fighting is bad. I'm glad at Tokyo but I suspect uh-huh just saying these were particularly bad dog fights just letting them your you dog lender if you split hairs enough eventually you split an atom that blows up your career. That's a beautiful saying thank you so Jerry Falwell got into the bootlegging business after getting into the dogfighting business His partner in bootlegging was. His brother Garland They would use the trucks for their oil and gas to deliver liquor to all of his century store. So that's how they would hide the liquor isn't the gas trucks which I'm sure made it taste great These illegal venues were incredibly profitable in a nineteen twenty seven. Jerry Falwell started another legitimate business the first bus company with routes between Lynchburg in Washington. DC that's good bringing lynching to other places pretty cool as long as it's the kind of thumb lynching that's not racist. Yeah Gary was too rich and too smart to get caught breaking taking the law constantly but everyone in town knew that he was the shadiest motherfucker in the city. This meant that the Falwell's were ostracized from high society. So they were rich but they weren't allowed allowed to hang out with the other. Rich folks sounds cool as house that does sound like the best kind of rich to be right. You don't want to hang out with losers your fucking throwing your money and you're just like not because that around that Dorky fucking rich people like Italians right. That's all they're doing just castilians left and right. Sounds like they're constant debutante ball. Sounds like no no but I think this this was. This was a bummer for Jerry Falwell as a little kid. But that's not love to debut he was a big debut her for the debut West so Exacerbating their sort of pariah status was the fact that Kerry Falwell had an unfortunate habit of playing profoundly abusive pranks on everyone around him. I'm going to quote now from a very fantastic book. God's right hand by Michael Winters Jerry. Falwell would later recall that. His father was a prankster. Jerry wants brought a friend home. Who admitted he was scared? Kerry Jerry told his father of his friends. Fear half cautioning half Golden Kerry as. He brought the young man into the house. When the young friend walked in Kerry shouted routed stopped aimed a pistol at the voice feet and shot a hole in the floor? If you insist in front of his shoes I've been trying to get that fly all day. Jerry's father announced returning to his newspaper while the boy fled fled the house. Jerry admitted that he and his father howled with laughter some of the pranks were cruel however took them work rule as opposed to that other good print. Let's police shooting at somebody who's a playful gunshot. Sophia not one of those mean gunshots. Some of the pranks were cruel. However as when Carey decided he had enough complaints from one of his workers when the man called in sick carry offer to have lunch brought to his house then killed and skinned the man's cat putting it into a squirrel stew and sent it to the man's home for lunch? The next day complained that the squirrel maintenance had been tough Kerry told him he had eaten his own cat. That is not a joke. That's not a break that's great. It's not a Greek myth thing thing that fucking myth. They fed to his own his own kids rate up fucking ancient evil. That's like not even like yeah. Modern Greek God would do like they have no sense of human morality. Yeah it's like an Olympic Prank. It's unleashed its serial killer Shit Mount Mount Olympus fucking insane. Yeah that's something. A serial killer does Joe one hundred percent. But I'M GONNA kill each a cat like so crazy. What what does he think? The payoff is when he tells the guy just watches them cry. I think it's just he's the guy's boss so there's nothing to dude can do against him. I mean what's the reaction. He's hoping for for him to cry. Yeah I think so. Probably sell craze just a piece of shit. He's really bad person way better person than his kid turns out to be. Wow Yeah so a hearing all that. It probably won't surprise you to learn that Jerry Falwell was it outrageous drunk. His brother Garland was too and we'll carry was a relatively peaceful drunk preferring to get wasted home alone. Most most of the time Garland was pretty much the worst case scenario for an alcoholic he had a tendency to fall into violent rages in nineteen thirty one. He was arrested for shooting at some teenagers. Who'd annoyed wait him? This was not an isolated incident garland. Falwell had numerous arrests for violent drunken behaviour. All of this came to a head in Nineteen thirty-one which is probably the worst year of young Jerry Falwell's life it was certainly the worst year of his father's life carries daughter. Russia and Jerry. Sister was struck ill with appendicitis Kerry didn't believe in hospital so he tried to treat her at at home her appendix burst and she died of peritonitis at age ten. There is a dead. Isn't that also. Like son of a bitch snuck one in there. Isn't it also an incredibly painful way to die one of the worst I understand when your appendix explodes us like the most painful. It sounds like a terrible way to die. Yeah also pretty cool that you have so much like hubris ultra free yeah yeah 1931 to there's actual medicine by that point for real real. Yeah now just a few months. After Russia died while Carey was still deep in grief Garland got incredibly drunk and started shooting firecrackers. Someone in town called the cops APPs on him for some unclear reason probably boiling down to the fact that he was really wasted garland became convinced that his brother carry the one that called the cops on him he tracked Kerry down and started. That'd shooting at him Kerry grabbed. His shotgun returned fire and killed his brother instantly. Oh okay that delights it's me. Yeah that's great you're GonNa like this to the local newspaper. wrote of the event Garland Falwell is dead thus. His turbulent career of terrorizing the police in populace was brought to to an abrupt close. Even the paper Shit on this like this is the worst guy. Inner City wants to dance on his grave. Tonight that's literally the tone of it. It's just like Shit. Thank God. He's dead. Ding Dong it in. It's one of those things like Kerry falls. Obviously a bad guy. Sounds like this was a totally justified homicide. I mean if it's just fucking horrible people killing each other is this. It's all a win win. They're both people who use guns as ways to punctuate like gunfire to punctuate their arguments. Well yeah I mean I feel like the only people then. They should argue with each other. And that's what happened. That's great. Yeah Yeah I prefer to use a nice throwing bagel on a sling as a way to punctuate my rages. I mean again would be more impressive. You could actually master the throat. You know It's it's it's new. You got to leave outbreaks. Have I can throw them with my hand. I'm trying to learn how to use the sling. All right it's outside like they said in the now. No I'm only ever GONNA use it in recording studios. You're fired at some point. Yes eventually I will cross a final line and damage equipment in this studio and that will be the end of this podcast anyway. Back to the Falwell's so things are going great for the Falwell family in one thousand nine hundred eighty one daughter dies of appendicitis gunfight between into brothers leads to one of them dying. Yeah This all broke Kerry Falwell. His alcoholism got worse. After this point Jerry would later recall the mini nights that his father spent drinking being heavily and sobbing over his brother and daughter. All these scandals further isolated the fall woke land from mainstream society in Lynchburg in this was all exacerbated by the fact that Kerry was the second generation atheist so he was not In line with the values of the town either now Jerry's mother. Helen was a very different person. Her family were hardcore baptists. Some sources will say that. She wasn't religious until her son started his church but this seems to be untrue. She even made sure that Jerry gene went to church every Sunday. Religion was part of Jerry's life from the beginning but it wasn't a huge part and for a long time. It seems like he Kinda took after his dad in that regard so he goes up a little bit of a wild child now. The third person who helped to raise Jerry Gene Falwell. was there black nanny. David Brown Gerry would later write in the mornings. He bathed and dressed us. He held in rocks at naptime. He Fed and changed us. He helped us with our first faltering steps and he picked up off the ground when we stumbled fought or fell. He was practically a member of our family but he ate alone on the back porch and and sat in the shadows when he wasn't needed. Wow sounds really valued him as a human being. Yeah yeah this is something that he writes. Regretfully about as an and adult As a kid you know kid from the beginning he took after his father both in the fact that he was filled with ambition in reckless energy his father taught he and his brother to drive when they were both ten years old. which is you know the right age to start doing that? there were allowed to drive around the family property as much as they wanted when they were thirteen. Kerry lied about their ages to get them driver's licenses. He was so jerry. Falwell was the first kid at his school with a car which obviously helped to social life kind of kind of washes away a little bit of the shame of of your your dad. Killing your uncle. People are cool car. He's I don't even care that his dad shoots at. Gerry was a good student and you took after. His father was intelligent ambitious and energetic but he also took after his dad with a dedication to mean spirited pranks when he was in fifth grade he led a snake loose in his classroom. This will be the least disturbing the pranks that Jerry Falwell commits. You look so excited to tell me I'm so excited to talk about. I love it. It's like I I love it. Whenever are these people have pranks in their history? I it's like talking about Saddam Hussein threatening principal with a gun like that the things that they call brings. It's like yeah for rich people. It's brings. Yeah it's a sauna prairie attempted murder Yeah In nineteen forty eight. When Jerry was fifteen his father died of liver failure? This at Gerry Hart and quite possibly had an effect on his behavior in high school but also is the least surprising way. Wait the non alcoholic. Yeah that was the only way Jerry Falwell was going to go shooting himself. Accidentally Yeah Jerry formed a gang called the wall gang with his friends based on the fact that they would meet a at a wall to hang out. That's a that's very very creative. I don't know if you're aware of this. But but Virginia in the nineteen forties was the world center of Creativity Jerry was the leader of the gang because he was the only one with a car and he liked to lead his group into a series of fist fights with other gangs around town winters rights. That Falwell insisted things never went beyond quote a few split. Lips the occasional broken bone own and small-scale property damage. Jeez yeah the the odd broken bone like who hasn't formed a gang to break other people's bones a little little bit. Why do you think I was laid today? youthfully just cracking somebody over the head with a two by four. You know how I like to be a rascal if you do it with a smile on your face. It's Ascoli. Yeah exactly as long as you're not frowning now Jerry's pranks grew more brutal in his late teens teens. I'm going to quote again. From God's right hand wants to punish neighbor. The gang thought had called the police on them. They grabbed some old tar soaked railroad ties and lit them on fire in front of the offender's so that is that the asphalt of the street would catch fire but it did entire street was inflames skills. A prankster also took a darker. Turn like his dad that he could be cruel. Many years later he would recall taking on a teacher whom he described as a mean. Little man who pranced about in our phys ed classes and who exhibited prissy falsetto ways. Falwell tackled him took off his pants locked him in a storage closet and then pin the man's pants to a bulletin board in another part of the school another time he placed a live teacher. Yes yes this. Is Jim Teacher. Holy Fuck teachers are usually the abusers. Yeah I think this guy I think like any clearly did it because he was. It's like your gay pants off school for that. No he's rich. Wow another I've seen sure fucking fee and blocking in a closet mainland pants to a wall had that's so fucked up. Yeah liaising another other time. He placed a live retina teachers drawer when she opened the door. The rat jumped out and the teacher fell unconscious to the floor. Now that's a classic prank. Yeah I mean that's the only one you could actually consider a prank. Yeah I guess the snake those are like good natured country prince if that if the snake bite is like like a gardener snake or something yeah then at the time then it's fine good natured. Fun Yeah abusing physically in paneling lighting. Someone's house on fire breaks Later in life Jerry would say that these pranks and straight up assaults are how he began to understand the principle of cause and effect actions responsible Lereah responsible lead to consequences but of course. There's no evidence that Jerry Falwell ever suffered any consequences as a result of incredibly bad behavior as an older man he smoked with regret about these actions. And the idea he seems to want to push by telling these stories is that he had a growing realization of how bad he'd been and that helped drive him to God. And this is where I I have to point out something important if you spent any time at all around Evangelical Christian communities at least the mainstream ones you'll notice something peculiar a shocking number of high profile figures in that community. We'll claim to have some sort of tremendously dark past selling drugs or being involved in prostitution her being. You know some sort of criminal being violent or whatever For many Popular Dealer Evangelical Speakers. This dark past is an integral part of their backstory. These stories are usually lies in always exaggerated and they serve primarily to highlight the power of Christ grace most most of our details on Jerry's early life come from Jerry himself and while winters who researched the man thoroughly does believe the stuff that I've related to. You is true. I have my doubts that follow will ever regretted any of of his actions But in any case it's important to Jerry Falwell or it was because now he's dead That you know that he was a bad guy before he found the the light of the Lord always really creeps me out whenever like really horrible people will say like Oh you know I was horrible and then I had a daughter are and I was like Oh man. I've been horrible or like Oh and then I. It's always very confusing to me. That they don't understand empathy yet all and they literally need to torture people people to learn empathy. How is it not something that you just feel towards people towards people? I think a lot of cases because you grow up rich and you don't have to. That's so crazy crazy right. It seems like money just takes away people's like value systems or replaces it and then they're like. Oh no I need to rape a girl like Brock Turner something to to understand and you know like Oh yeah things. Actions have consequences. Why do we need to be? You're like experiment like other people that's not right for you to learn your morals on other people and it only it really only seems to be with girls in particular because you only usually here the service like when I had a daughter I understood. It's like nobody's ever like you know. I thought it was cool to kill cats until I had a kitten and then I was like all this cat. Murdering I've been doing is a bad thing. Nobody nobody says that they just say like I thought sexual harassment was fun until I had a daughter. Now I realize it's not yeah. It's same same with these like rich. Ask guys like Jerry. It's like oh well I didn't know Oh that you couldn't actually do. These really fucked up abusive things until I did them and nothing happened to me. Why suffered no council makes? It's no sense lit. A Guy's house on fire Jerry. Falwell Sophie's telling me that it's well past time for an ad break Sofia Do you have any ads. 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We're back and Sophie is refusing to give me back my sling which is probably a responsible move But I'm I'm still furious. Angry furious I would would be if you slung something. And it hit Anderson who it's a Bagel dogs love them but if it hit her with a force it's not so she doesn't like everything bagels bagels does she like blueberry. Aren't all through blueberry. Next Time Anderson the room this Mingo. This is how empathy works. This is this is a man who understands empathy. She's still not getting back. You sling sorry fair enough. We're talking Jerry Falwell. J. Fall so Weird I don't like that. I always give my subjects a terrible nickname. I don't like it. You don't like that. JETER Jeff Jair. Jeff jere sounds it's like it's missy. Elliot exclusive cheer within your. I don't know but I did and I liked to do you seriously not know missy. Elliot's feel like you're doing this on purpose. I'm really not I thought it was Arianna `Grande for a very long time. It is what it is. You can't wait no. I called her grand. He's called her Ariana Grande there. We go I forgot which embarrassing thing I got wrong. Only one of jerks pranks had any sort of long-term impact on on him in his senior year Jerry and his got the combination of the school. Safe they still huge numbers of lunch tickets and handed them out to their friends in the locker room. They considered this a harmless prank. This considered who considered this thousands of dollars thefts Jerry certainly could have faced criminal charges for this because it was thousands of dollars of theft instead he it was simply denied the privilege of addressing. The school as Class Valedictorian so God. The consequences really ruined his life. Yeah yeah that really fucked things up form Tom. Jerry went to Lynchburg college after high school. Jerry Falwell majored in Mechanical Engineering and accelerated math and physics. He didn't spend any school time studying religion. He later called though that his mother's habit of listening to Charles Fuller's old fashioned revival hour on the radio every Sunday had an impact on him early. Nineteen fifty two while hanging out at the cafe with his wall wall. Gang Friends Falwell asked if anyone in town new church that had preaching Charles Fuller show one of his friends advised the Park Avenue Baptist Church he said the church had good music music and most importantly pretty girls in search of these girls. Jerry Falwell made the fateful decision to attend Church on January Twentieth Nineteen Fifty two done Don Don Don Don. During that service he met a young woman. Maicel pate who played piano for the Church soon after Mason and Jerry would updating and then marrying there'd be together for the rest of Jerry's life and young Falwell found more Mazel. I think she was pretty shitty too. Oh Yeah Young Falwell found more than just a soulmate at the Park Avenue Church. He found Jesus he would later recall that his journey to becoming a born again Christian started when he learned that the world of man was run by Satan. While the world of God God was ruled by Jesus Jerry had seen more of the dark side of the world of man than most kids by this point he turned away from the hand from himself willing to talking. This call came from inside the house. Jerry Falwell is murdering those here bullshit. been witness to you did strips. A man's ends pants off. Beats them up and locks him in a closet. Boy People are awful. Yeah he's like Oh this is really a lot of arson and assault going on. I don't know at least around me. Seems like people a really violent right around me. It's crazy I'm like at the epicenter in idiot. Yeah so Yeah Jerry decided after this point that he was going to turn away from the darkness of the world of man and align himself with the light of the world of God in Nineteen fifty-six at aged twenty to Jerry Falwell founded a church of his own. The Thomas Road Baptist Church and made himself the pastor and he started preaching according to the Western Illinois historical review quote quote from the time he founded this church. All of his activities flowed from his efforts to build it. TR BBC built a home for alcoholics a haven for unwed mothers in established a television ministry at the urging Falwell. Jerry's television radio show the old time. Gospel Hour was a direct imitation of the radio. Preacher his mother had loved making the jump to television. Falwell became one of the pioneers of televangelism. A guy named Percy Crawford was the actual first televangelist and both men Odette to fascist slash Catholic priest. Charles Coughlin in their attempts to create a media empire based trade is preaching but Jerry was one of the first ones to really like make televangelist thing like as the as the foundation of his career. The question how does pastoring work. You can just make yourself pastor. Yeah I'm pretty sure. Yeah okay I'm a pastor. Now Yeah this is America. There's I don't think there's really any more to it than that. That's it's fucking awesome. Yeah it's pretty great. I've been considering I've I'm considering becoming a freelance cult leader So I've been looking into how easy it is to just declare yourself herself. A whatever religion you it turns out there's no rules around that sort of UNITA sidekick. I'm here and I love just I. I don't know brainwashing people. I guess how other people put it. The key is we can't spend more than twenty hours a week on coat related business time for that. I want it for this to be more than on a part time thing exactly. It's a side hustle. Yes like that. I want it to be a Colt for millennials and as a result of that we've got to be like contract employees. Yeah Yeah I mean. It's like five hours driving. Lift a couple of hours run in the cold running a call ninety stand up at night and no healthcare what a beautiful Generations really got it made in the shade so like his father. Jerry Falwell proved have it brilliant head for business unlike his his father all of Jerry's businesses were above board and legal Oh Yeah I actually see. I told you you're GONNA like Jerry Falwell way better. I already miss him. Yeah I Miss Awesome Kerry alcoholism. He's shooting at People's feet in heaven. Now pal must be missing an angel in nineteen sixty seven. Jerry founded his first school the Lynchburg Christian Academy he became convinced of the necessity of creating a separate Christian education system that could protect students from the evils of the world of Satan some of the evils. He preached against imminently sensible given his difficult upbringing. He railed against alcohol and drunkenness. Due in part to the horrifying examples set down by his dad and uncle. But Jerry also preached against integration. So I was waiting for one that was going to reopen title. Yeah Yeah Yeah. We get a nice dose of racism. Here I'm GonNA quote again from God's right hand one early sermon. From nineteen fifty eight has come down to us is printed in the newsletter that fall will distributed to those who watch television show. It is curious that he chose his sermon for the first installment of the newsletter because it did not treat one of his usual subject topics. The sermon German is entitled Segregation or integration which unsurprisingly given the sermon was preached in Nineteen Fifty Eight in south central. Virginia Falwell argued in favor of segregation. Follow sermon begins by blaming the Supreme Court for the chaos and racial tension was then on the rise. He also noted that the communist countries were using the racial tension as a propaganda ended tool throughout the world. Indeed did not blame blacks for causing the trouble. The True Negro does not want integration. He realizes his potential is far better among his own foul. Oh blame the push for integration. I on Moscow. Second on politicians using the issue for their own ends and finally on the devil himself who boxed God out of the Supreme Court jurisprudence when it rendered its nineteen fifty four decision in Brown versus the board of Education ending legal segregation if chief justice earl. Warren and his associates had known God's Word and desire to do the Lord's will. I am quite confident that the nineteen fifty four decision would never have been made. Falwell said what could possibly have been worked out scriptural and orderly way has now become a touchy problem. Album touchy just a deep sigh of Yup. It's obviously terrible. Although it's also obviously like you throw a rock in Virginia and you'll find somebody who believes basically the same of course yeah yeah And in a little bit of fairness Ernest Jerry would completely change his mind segregation later in life And would devote years to preaching against it Not that long after this. But while the civil rights movement saw its most crucial. She'll difficult hours. Jerry Falwell preached against it. He believed God had decreed the segregation of races and he cited for one things. God's decision that the Jews should be his chosen people as evidence of the fundamental validity of segregation. Wow I've never heard that spin. That is quite quite the racist logic there. That's pretty insane. Yeah it's neat to run the new racist logic that I hadn't run into before. Yeah Whoa that's never connected those before. Thanks for bringing us into the fold for Jerry now now. Jerry started to change his mind about segregation in the mid nineteen sixties. There were a number of events that led to this but the single searing experience. He would later cite as key to his conversion on the issue was the day that his shoeshiner a black man named Luis asked him a question he told Jerry. He was a fan of the pastor's sermons and listened to them on the radio regularly. Then he asked if he would be able to join join Falwell's church Jerry later wrote that. This question left him utterly speechless because he wasn't allowing black people in Church shit suddenly confronted directly with the fact fact that he was racist to shit in the mid nineteen sixties. Jerry Falwell hired his first non-white employees the Indonesian musician Paul Tan in nineteen sixty eight. He opened the Thomas. Thomas Road Baptist Church to black members in nineteen sixty nine eight hold on a second. He opened the church to black members in sixty eight. When did he talk to shoeshiner? That was lake in the somewhere. Like sixty four sixty five took him a while so so he had he had a tiffany and then it took him three to four years still change his mind again. We're talking visit his reputation for Shit. Yeah yeah and it's also like exactly what we were saying like. Oh I need to. I think that black people weren't human to then be like. Oh I've learned a powerful lesson. What the fuck? I don't buy any of this. Yeah and it's also it's worth noting that when he does open his church up. The civil rights movement hit that point a critical mass. Like it's not like he got on board segregation when it was still it's one thing to be like in favor of segregation then realize you're wrong at a time when like it matters some courage it'd be like no. I was wrong like once. The civil rights movements passed its critical point. He's like Oh shit. I guess this is the way things are going to open my church up. Like oh progress seems to be happening everywhere okay. I'll join. Yeah it's like it's like being cool with gay marriage in two thousand fifteen. Yeah Yeah that being your first step there and and the thing is it's it's weird because ray now everybody talks about like cancel culture and like Oh what you can't be better like change or anything and I absolutely think that that is what we want from people. But I don't know how much of the story that Jerry foul made up about himself is actually actually real or true. And that's really what abject you not the fact that he changed from being racist to not being a racist yeah. Yeah it's it's good. Good that he got better on segregation but the question is do. I think that it was a matter of moral courage in realizing he was wrong. Or do I think it was a matter of. He realized where the wind was blowing. Exactly and I do think in his head he does believe the version of the story where he has a change of heart. I do think he believes that in his head because his I think he needs to think he's a good person and people like that make up stories to justify right off as like a better person just like he justified burning that house down by cold inside they were inside. Central heating wasn't around yet. I was being helpful helpful Yeah just like his dad justified shooting at that kids feet because he had with the fly. I'M GONNA use. That was a joke. Okay you just just don't get it snowflake snowflakes hate being shot at So Yeah Jerry was always adamant that the civil rights movement had no impact on his decision to integrate his church and school. He framed his change as entirely an internal revelation. I realized realized that I was completely wrong. What I had been taught was completely wrong for me? It was a scriptural and personal realization. That segregation was evil. I realized it was not taught in the Bible. So okay kind of weird that he's like specifically doesn't give credit to the civil rights movement he's like specifically none of different Martin. Luther King had nothing to do with me letting black people people into my church. It was all me baby so much more. That's still so racist. I Jerry Falwell had my own civil rights movement in my head and it was way better than the weird heard in my version. Yeah I was the leader actually wasn't Mlk. There was no Malcolm X.. There is no one really really. It was panther breath everything I did a great job. I did a great job. You're welcome you're welcome Jerry Falwell Boy Yeah so In Nineteen seventy-one Jerry Falwell started the Lynchburg Baptist College. It was later. Renamed Liberty University. The college college was something of a loss leader. For Falwell's burgeoning empire it relied heavily on donations and endowments from major donors and was in heavy debt for much of Jerry's tenure as the head of the school but still it succeeded seated in providing religious higher education to whole generations of Evangelical Christians. All these things would probably have been enough to keep a normal man occupied his entire life. And perhaps they would've done so for Jerry Falwell but nineteen seventy-three something happened that would change his life and the very essence of American Christianity forever. The Supreme Court ruled on Roe V. Wade this landmark case established a woman's right to get an abortion without excessive governmental interference. Falwell later wrote when he read about the ruling in the the newspaper quote. I sat there staring at the Roe. V Wade story growing more and more fearful of the consequences of the Supreme Court's act wondering why so few voices have been raised against it and when we come back talk a little bit about the surprising. History of how American Evangelical Christians Thought About Abortion prior to nineteen seventy-three. Dully me hanging like that. I mean I. It's an a plug time. You know what is also protected from excessive government interference the products and services that advertise on our show. was that a good thank thank you. Sophie Sophie Approves No cosign. I feel like you need to have both the self-support alright. Yeah it's it's for stamp this when you need to shoot launch a nuclear missile from time. We can't go but now we can. We are a parallel something across much leaf surrounded rounded him. Hey you you're you're surrounded rounded in who I'm capable of in pathetically viewing women as people the all the took was this even need to have a daughter. Nothing I have a sister. 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Plus today today we're back now as his preaching segregation. Probably keyed. You went on Jerry. Falwell was not a a big fan of the Supreme Court. He'd been pissed at nineteen sixty two when they ruled on ingle versus the tally which was the ruling? That decided was unconstitutional for schools to force students to pray he wrote of this when a group of nine idiots can pass a ruling down so that it is illegal to read the Bible in our public schools. They need to be called idiots but ingles eva. Tally did not convince Vince. Jerry Falwell to get into politics C.. For a very long time in America it was seen as somewhat foul even obscene for pastors to weigh directly into national politics. Sharon overcast the band jellicoe Christian. Who later worked with Falwell recalled that prior to the seventies politics was always labelled as dirty as something to stay out of for Falwell and many other Christian extremists Musts Roe V? Wade was a wakeup call. I'm going to quote now from an essay on Jerry. Falwell Doug Bandwidth of the Western Illinois Historical Review many religious conservatives like Falwell. Oh would later identify the road decision. As the critical issue that awaken them from a long political slumber after largely being an active in the nineteen sixties as Falwell. Put it the decision by the Supreme Court legalizing abortion on demand did mortar destroy our nation than any other decision. It has made molar later. Called the nineteen seventy-three road decision the stick of dynamite. That exploded the issue for Evangelical Roe row. v Wade was truly explosive in that it legitimized abortion international law a practice deemed offensive barbaric savage in a violation of God's precious handiwork here on earth not only did roe. V Wade provide a wakeup call to Falwell and religious conservatives and also resulted in later mobilization and activism onto closely related areas gay rights and women's Liberation Rights for gays and women and we're often closely tied to the abortion issue as family issues if women could get an abortion no longer did they need a man to take care of them no longer would they be confined to the kitchen household or local. Pta a meeting their newfound independence could result in a full frontal assault on the traditional nuclear family. which many conservatives believed to be the way God desired the family structure to look like? Yeah also Saturday was International Safe Abortion Day. So happy pappy that day. Everybody have a happy. That data did a series to on on the podcast parts. And you should check it out. Check it out international safe abortion day so good holiday important shit better holiday than international international podcast day which it is today days national something day Yeah it's been like National Siblings daily four times and I text my brother who is a doctor who who is not abused. I'm trying to. I'm tired of doing the same joke. Where just take a picture of an empty chair? And I'm like I love my sister child Now Jerry got together with several other aggrieved religious people in order to fight back against the Supreme Court's overreach. One of these people was Paul Weyrich a Catholic and another was Howard Phillips a Jew together they formed a political action group called the moral majority in Nineteen seventy-nine and Howard yet. Philip seemed to mostly be there. No we're not just Christians. I now we have him yeah. He's disown you pretty lame so The moral majority was formed Pacific lobby to end abortion reinstate school prayer enforce men and women back into traditional gender roles. Their goal was nothing less than to legislate late fundamentalist Christian. Morality is the law of the land and Mo- Sources you'll read on this including Michael Winters will note that Roe v Wade was the catalyst for all this but not everyone agrees on that that point other researchers were point out that segregation may itself have been a more direct inspiration for the formation of the moral majority than abortion. Randall Balmer a professor at Dartmouth University. The into historian calls the idea that abortion was the inciting incident for the moral majority one of the most durable myths in modern history. It is certainly true in documented beyond debate that abortion was the primary issue the moral majority put at the center of their activism. They even call themselves new abolitionists in their quest to end abortion the active comparing bring themselves to anti-slavery crusader take some enormous balls. Giving what I'm about to read the next quote the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact it wasn't until until nineteen sixty nine a full six years after Roe that evangelical leaders at the behest of conservative activists. Paul Weyrich seized on abortion. Not for moral reasons but as a rallying cry to deny president. Jimmy Carter a second term. Why because the antiabortion crusade was more palatable than the religious rights real motive protecting segregated schools see? Yeah it's a tough competition. Who Do we ain't more women or black people? Oh my God black women women. Yeah that that is the number one hated group yet so bomber points out with exhaustive documentation that throughout the nineteen sixties and early Seventies. Abortion was not a big deal for most Christians even fundamentalist ones in nineteen sixty eight the Christian Medical Society and Christianity. Today wrote that abortion was not sinful and that quote individual health family welfare and social responsibility could justify the termination of a pregnancy fine out in nineteen seventy-one the the Southern Baptist Convention had passed a resolution stating quote Southern Baptist to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape incest incest clear evidence of severe fetal deformity carefully. Ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional mental and physical health of. The mother relatively woke for Christians today. least the Convention reaffirm this decision twice after Roe v Wade in nineteen seventy four and in nineteen seventy six in the immediate wake of the ruling W Chriswell conventions former president in one of the most prominent Evangelical Christians in America said. I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual individual person and it has always therefore seemed to me that what is best for the mother in for the future should be allowed Hallelujah. Yup things really took a turn. Yeah Eh abortion. had been a significant issue for Catholics for quite some time however so it was like evangelical. Protestants didn't really care about abortion. Prior to nineteen seventy nine Catholics. You know they didn't they. They weren't down with condoms. I mean they certainly weren't down with abortion The church has been pretty consistently anti-choice for quite a while but American Protestants Addison Evangelical. Didn't really care about the matter. One way or the other. What many of them did care about? However was integration because they were southerners in the nineteen sixties and Seventies? And just really. You really racist. I'm going to quote from ballmer again in May nineteen sixty nine. A group of African American parents in Holmes County Mississippi sued the Treasury Department to prevent three new. The whites only K.. Through twelve private academies from securing full tax exempt status arguing that their discriminatory policies prevented them from being considered charitable institutions. The schools have been founded in the mid nineteen sixties in response to the desegregation of public schools set in motion by Brown versus the Board of Education decision in nineteen fifty four in nineteen sixty nine. The first year of desegregation the number knbr of white students enrolled in public schools and homes. Candy dropped from seven hundred and seventy one to twenty eight the following year. That number fell to zero. So one of the responses of the Christian community throughout the south was to open private schools so that they did not have to if there are private schools you can keep black people out and then we can still have our whites. Jesus and Jesus intended intended and that allows everyone in stages. Yeah that's kind of the birth of the private religious school system in America excluding black people. THAC talk pretty cool in green versus Kennedy. David Kennedy was secretary of Treasury at the time decided nineteen seventy the plaintiffs won a preliminary injunction which denied the segregation academies tax exempt status until further review. In the meantime the government was solidifying. Its position on such schools later that year President Richard. Nixon ordered the Internal Revenue Service to enact the new policy denying taxes exemptions to segregated schools in the United States. Wow she did a good thing. Yeah Nixon was actually pretty good on that issue Was it's not really like the religious again. This is before the religious right exists like fundamentalist. Christians are not a voting block at this point in any meaningful but Nixon also dropped opt a lot of slurs and stuff. That's why I'm like. Oh yeah okay. But he didn't give a shit about God. I mean I'm an in terms of black people. I just. I didn't know yeah would fall on that. You know he was good about this one. Yeah Nixon's one of those weird ones where it's like you can listen to ours if I'm using racial slurs and then he'll ban racist schools from being tax exempt and you can listen to him like threaten to have journalists murdered and he'll we'll start the EPA too confusing one confusing one Now reading all of this added some additional context to something something I read in God's right hand which definitely takes the the angle that like the moral majority was all about abortion like this bomber is kind of an opposed to other scholars when he puts segregation nation at the center of why the Christian right becomes a political thing but it did add some extra context to this quote. Follow had been profoundly disturbed by the actions of the Federal Government legalizing leising abortion rooming prayer from the Public School sending the IRS after Christian Academy's to him this amounted to a political assault on his turf the moral fibre of the nation and he could begin to visit in. Politics is the means to beating back the assault. So this is one of the weird thing. God's right hand is a really good biography by winters. It has a lot of really good info in it but winters also kind of comes across while he's critical of a lot. All welded fundamentally sympathetic to the man as a human being and I think he misses like the fact that he phrases it as sending the IRS after Christian Christian Academy's and. I'm sure that's how fall would like to report it. Like what will was pissed about stopping Christians from segregating. Yeah and it is something that I- winters doesn't really touch on enough. But I I really think bombers probably on the right side of this one but I'm not a scholar so Yeah bomber makes a strong John Case that the birth of the Christian right as a political movement was very much inspired by evangelical religious leaders to keep black people out of their churches and schools quote the Green v Connolly ruling provided a necessary first step it captured the attention of evangelical leaders especially the IRS began sending questionnaires to church related segregation academies including Falwell's Lynchburg Christian school enquiring about their racial policies. Falwell was furious in some states. He famously complaint. It's easier to open a massage parlor than a Christian school that massage parlor earlier opened a people of all races Jerry. Because if it is I don't have any problem with it out if you can help it. Yeah not if he could help it one. Such school Bob Jones University a fundamentalist college in Greenville South Carolina was especially obdurate the IRS. In its first letter to Bob Jones University in November. Nineteen seventy to ascertain whether or not it discriminated needed on the basis of race. The school responded to finally it did not admit African Americans wasn't isn't even they didn't Ha- you couldn't be the Taking someone of a different race too I think what their school stuff even recently in the news for that yeah. That's continued in Utah until the modern era. They Bob Jones really sticks by segregation. Have wild this is so recent. Yeah the the birth of the religious is right is very much tied into Bob Jones University wanting to be as racist to school as they can possibly be commission cool mission now Bob Jones University he did try to throw the irs a bone to maintain their tax exempt status. They took in a single black student. He dropped out a month later for reasons that I'm sure are completely unfathomable to everybody listening. Yeah why would that have happened. He didn't light love the new school. That's crazy it seems like he would have been totally comfortable things like. It would have been a great time for him. Yeah in nineteen seventy-five school was finally forced to admit black students on a wider basis. But they qualified that they were only admitting married black people. The fear was that unmarried. Black students students might fucking whitestone's then done couldn't have that interracial dating was strictly prohibited so in nineteen eighteen. Seventy six the IRS. Who are the heroes of the story? Today rescinded Bob Jones. University's tax exempt status. Good yes weird. Yeah Eddie I did. Hey Man. They're on the right side of this one Paul way rich and Jerry Falwell. We're deeply unhappy at all. This government overreach chose to focus on the Carter Administration which actually doesn't doesn't make a lot of sense. The Nixon administration had started going after evangelical schools. Bob Jones University had lost its tax exempt status more than a year before Carter took office but way rich and and Falwell ignored all this. They made it their overriding goal to ensure a conservative kicked. Carter out of office interesting that fact in on attack the Republican Party for their role in this they just go after. Jimmy Carter interesting kind of makes you wonder if maybe it had more to do with the fact that these were Richmond Than Christians. But that's just a conspiracy theory on my part. I mean being rich like crazy rich in this country is a conspiracy. I see theory. Yeah now the leaders of the moral majority knew that segregation was not exactly a major vote winning issue in nineteen seventy nine. There were not going to ignite and evangelical political movement by focusing on racism or any of the other issues. They were most obsessed with at the time way. Rich and fall were also both opponents of the equal rights amendment they they supported the banning of pornography but as way rich later recalled. I was trying to get these people interested in those issues and utterly failed so they're trying to like get the religious religious right on board with like banning era banning pornography allowing schools to segregate. And like they really. They can't get anybody on board. Nobody wants to hype about about these issues. People are at Yeah Yeah. It was a different time but abortion provide the moral majority with an easy cause to crusade against a banner other propagandized. Christians could rally behind stop. Killing babies is an easier battlecry than keep black people out of our schools so that is why they pick abortion as at least the public face of the movement in this brings up the question. How do the moral majority Organiz Evangelical against abortion if abortion hadn't been in a big part of evangelical politics prior to that point? The answer to this as with so many great questions in American history boils down to they hated women. Being Free D- Yeah of course. That isn't a great vote getter either so they frame their opposition to abortion in the equal rights amendment as being pro family. There we go that I'm going to quote Doug Ban more again over the course of the nineteen. Seventy S ministers connected defensive the traditional family with opposition to abortion abortion feminism and gay rights such rights to those in the moral majority attacked the tried and true social order that had persevered for generations according to the moral majority who could possibly be anti-family family in addition it was this return to moral sanity that was trying to restore America from the upheaval of the recent past. Rather than speak out directly against gays feminists in abortionists. They often delivered the same. Same Message. Shrouded and pro-family terms for example moral majority leader's define traditional families those with two heterosexual parents. This carried significant appeal among conservatives in the wake of of the nineteen sixties by framing. The issue is defensive. The family the leaders of the Christian right effectively turned liberals into enemies of the family at least in the eyes of millions of voters. And this is what led lead them to their violent opposition of the equal rights amendment. This was the first test of the moral majority Jerry Falwell warned the passage of the amendment could quote sanction homosexual marriage and and mothers and girls into combat and generally injury the dignity of the traditional family gasp. Yeah he's as you hug your traditional family family member Anderson the dog now For reference. I think I should read out. The main portions of the suggested amendments equal rights amendment. This very scary family destroying during amendment section one equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex section to the congress. You'll have the power to enforce by appropriate legislation. The provisions of this article section three. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification. So that I mean that that. Yeah Yeah Yeah that that families should be destroyed amendment to the amendment was a real extreme. So obviously we couldn't have that happen fall in his fellow conservatives were terrified that the IRA would lead to nightmares like government funded daycare AAC care and paternity leave is two things that they cited directly as why the area was bad. It just seems like how can you not feel like the biggest nerd when you're like like I'm anti porn. I'm anti like all the things that are anti makes us such a fucking nerd is is that party not ever being like dudes. Were doing the nerdy shit out here. What are we doing? They're keeping women under lock and key so crazy to me like it's like if you're you're a reasonable person being the post government funded daycare and paternity leave. Sounds like lunacy But the fear among conservatives was that like if there's government funding daycare women can have jobs and then they weren't. Yeah then they won't be REC- like reliant on a man for everything and if there's paternity leave the dad's could take care of kids to and then MOMS could have careers and be independent people. Just defending gender roles is so nerdy to. It's another another like this is what I care about. I WanNa make sure that the man does man things in the woman does woman things and we've decided with those things are like. How do you even get? How do you even get enough energy to care about that? It's the only thing you care about if you're the kind of person who cares about that it's just so crazy to me. I'm like all of your life. Yes that's the like. The core of this is a bunch of people who like can't fucking deal with other people wanting a different thing at a life than they do which is really usually the core of if like sixty percent of bastardy speaking of a gigantic bastard. Phyllis Schlafly Christian activists in a gigantic piece of Shit wrote that at the equal rights amendment would be quote the first anti-family amendment in the constitution. It would protect bigamists legalized prostitution in defend rape laws. The social and political goals of your ears are radical irrational and unacceptable to Americans in the essay where she wrote this schlafly created the acronym. Stop E. R. A.. Stop stood for. Stop taking our privileges. She made an acronym with the word that the acronym is saying the title of the movie and the movie. Yeah shirt the concert like now And so Jerry Falwell and his comrades leapt into the nineteen eighteen eighty election with the intent to restore their version of God to a position of primacy in American politics in nineteen eighty follow told his congregation. We're fighting a holy war. What's happened to America? America is that the wicked or bearing rule we have to lead the nation back to the moral stance that made America great nerve fluence on those who govern US trying to make America Great. Everyone's having fun. Fuck them. Yeah this does happen and like well no I guess. Nineteen eighty was about to be a fun year. I mean people were okay disco. Yeah coming off the fun ass rock and Roll Seventies. Yeah people are just having a good time not these Jerry fucking nerd around here trying to ruin it for everybody that pendulum you have like sexual liberation and like the the civil rights movement and stuff and then all of the assholes Organiz to push the pendulum back. It's kind of like what's happening now. Accept it happened earlier I know just upsetting. It's like let women work. They'll just buy stuff for you. Yeah Nice you know what I mean like like. We're so nice you just. You just want to participate in the flawless system of of capitalism. Like everybody else we just WanNa buy shit just WANNA buy shit. Weren't even allowed to have our own credit cards. Still like the seventy S. Well that's a fair rule cause bitches be shopping shop and I that's GonNa be the core my stand up packing on the anybody's guilt about that before. You're going to break new ground so you should really talk about the differences between black people and by people. I'm GonNa do that when I get my new Netflix. Show canceled really bold title. Really GonNA break new ground with that. I can't make or or something to do with safe spaces I one of those two is going to be the title for share really be groundbreaking. Can't wait it open for you I'm going to get eight million dollars to complain about how I've been cancelled. By Social Justice Warriors Miles performs and Hansel Vania. He opens for Louis C. K.. And as these opens for miles oh great. Yeah Yeah. That's who you want opening for us this season Sarah Okay. I'm just saying that's how Canes Alenia works I mean and it is literally how it works. Yeah so let's be still performs cancel. Vania cancel yeah. Yeah I mean. He's huge there. Yeah just stumbling onto the stage kids see anything because he's he's crushing it attempting to put. He's blind so he can't make his way up onto the stage for that so When Jerry Falwell spoke millions of people listened at the start of the nineteen eighties his TV show was hosted on three hundred? Seventy three stations. More than Johnny Carson's tonight. Show his church. The Thomas Road Baptist Church had grown to become one of the very first megachurches with regular attendance of more than seventeen thousand but the true genius of Jerry Falwell in guiding the moral majority was his ability to unify different types of Christians together Catholics and Protestants did not traditionally see one another as groups with much in common. They regularly found themselves in opposition position likewise mainstream Protestants pentecostals evangelicals and fundamentalists role distinct groups of Christians and they had no real history of organizing together towards a common purpose. Falwell Falwell's succeeded in welding them together for the first time. He was criticized by the President of Bob Jones University for creating an unholy alliance with the evil Catholics. It's weird like that where religion used to be in America where somebody was like. I want to get all the Christians together to stop people from letting women work in. Someone's like but we've got to work with the Catholics to do that. That's hilarious and nuts so Fall replied to that. I am indeed considered to be dangerous to liberals feminists abortionists in homosexuals sexual but not to Bible believing Christians. This time preaching would not be enough. It is my duty as a Christian to apply the truths of scripture to every act of government now title and then we asked you yeah. Why are you volunteering for job that Liz literally does not exist? Appointed yourself when we started this string on a huge asked level. Yeah he's like well. This is what I do now. No one fucking asked you this. This is worked in Virginia so clearly the entire country should have to have me as their pastor. I love that like this is the the like we have to apply. It's my duty to apply the truth of scripture to every active government. It's like no when when we hold started this whole country thing like the whole idea. was that like. That's not our don't do it. You we're not gonNA have religion be involved in politics now bitch your duty is still like groom groome yourself go out into the world and be someone that improves it. and that's literally at just. That's it stay away from everybody pay taxes and don't assault people. Yeah that's really the only goals we want you to always ask if anyone that's all we wanted don't on fucking feed people that are cats and shit like that. That's I mean. Is that a too too big and ask him and ask for his dad. Yeah Big Cat Feeder to people you guys. Yeah so Jerry Falwell's chief innovation. The one which has shaped American politics ever since was to convince all Christian conservatives that they're really we on the same side fighting for the sanctity of the family abortion. Opposition to gay rights advocating for the return of prayer in school. All these things can be bundled together as saving the Family Falwell wrote. The family is the fundamental building block and basic unit of our society and its continued. Health is a prerequisite for a healthy and prosperous nation. No nation has ever been stronger than the families families within her and so the moral majority set to work the starting to reconnect with your own. Dad You know this sounds like a personal situ always data shit now. I mean like whatever you need to do. It's like right on the letter Burnett whatever it sounds like your personal in his memory. Shoot at someone's feet but honestly just sounds. I think you need to work out your fucking daddy issues instead of trying to daddy the whole fucking country. I think that really is the core of a lot of this is dad was a piece of shit. Yeah and they're trying to make up for it solved next case the moral majority set to work preparing morality ratings for every member of Congress. See that's not terrifying. I love to be rated. Everybody does it's like airbnb but for Congress documentaries attacking homosexuals degenerates into crying. Abortion is murder and they launched a national voter registration drive aimed at Americans concerned with family values issues from bandits article moral majority spring into action. Action mobilizing politicians and religious leaders to help support their platform. The movement boasted a wide variety of accomplishments and energy to influence the election. We're going to change the country. Utah Senator Orrin Hatch. I declare fucking Orrin Hatch. The moral majority boasted a political war chest worth millions of dollars by the summer of nineteen eighty it opened offices in Washington. DC and in just one arcade eighty-three thousand new addresses for its mailing list. It's like the Black said in the nineteen sixties Falwell said. And this time. We're going to win. Oh my God. Awed roughly three months before the nineteen eighty election. The moral majority officially announced support of Ronald Wilson Reagan. Yeah surprise surprise MHM and that is where we're going to leave off the episode and part two. 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47: Drinking Buddies: Jack Daniel and Nearest Green

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47: Drinking Buddies: Jack Daniel and Nearest Green

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Hey everyone this is Charlie Herman we know that right now. Everyone is coping with the corona virus. Trying to stay healthy from the team here at brought to you by. We just want to say we're thinking about you and hope that you and your loved ones are safe in these stressful times. When there's so much news we want to thank you for taking a moment and listening to this podcast. Our shows about to go on a short break. As we work on our next season of episodes. But we'll be back very soon so again. Thank you stay safe. And here's the show guys. What they're doing here only happens one to two days out of the week. I'm going to be honest. This is really exciting. Very rarely does a person. Actually get to see this happen. I met the Jack. Daniel's distillery in Lynchburg Tennessee and what I'm watching is a crucial step and why the whiskey that's made here is unique under this. Huge metal put surrounded by four concrete. Pillars is an enormous stack of sugar maple wood and it is on fire. It's GonNa Barn for an hour and a half it's gonNA reach. Temperatures closed eighteen hundred degrees. And when it's done it's natural law. Charcoal that charcoal will be ground up into piece is pieces and then using a process called. Charcoal Mellowing Wall. We're going to do a strip whiskey through charcoal and this is what makes us Tennessee. Whiskey this is GonNa make your whiskey extremely smooth and this is what separates us from Bourbon for more than one hundred and fifty years. Jack Daniels has been making whisky this way going all the way back to the day with Jack Daniels made it himself. Yes he was a real person and Y'all are only listening to me because I have a can of whiskey sitting right there in Tennessee. There's a long tradition of Scotch Irish settlers who turn grains like corn into moonshine but charcoal filtering. Let's not something they were known to do before coming here. So where did Jack Daniel pick that up from? Nearest Green the formerly enslaved man. Who taught him how to make whisky? What nearest green did and what he changed is what we now forever. No Tennessee whiskey from business insider. This is brought to you by giving brands now stories. You don't on Charlie Macdonald Burger Jack. Daniels is the number one selling whiskey in the world. It's been the drink of choice for celebrities and performers Frank Sinatra to Bruce springsteen cowboys and western slug. Back shots and regular folks. Like you and me drink it. I'm partial Jack and coke with every SIP. You can taste caramel and vanilla with hint of sweetness but in each glass there also traces of our nation's history and the ongoing movement to give credit to people who have been left out forgotten as the company Jack. Daniel's acknowledges a truth about its founding one woman is making sure the world knows that story the one about nearest green. The Nation's first African American Master Distiller one seven at a time. Stay with us to understand the story of near screen it starts with knowing more about Jack Daniel and their friendship and the best place to do that is where it all began. Lynchburg Tennessee so I win Jack. Daniels my name is Jed. I'M GONNA be your tour guide and Yeah my mom named me. Je It happens all right. The distillery is nestled among the hills in Tennessee walking horse country about an hour and a half south east of Nashville. Ironically Jack Daniels Dry County. But don't worry they let taste of the whiskey after your tour covering history. I production second and at the very end of the tour. We will be sitting down sipping our top shelf whiskey. You chose wisely all right. It is a huge operation with facilities spread out over two thousand acres. We serve the entire world from this county and only this count. Despite it's size and the enormous amount of whiskey. It sells every year. Jack Daniels is proud of being made according to old fashioned traditions and slowly aged for years before it's considered good enough to drink that spirit yet. It draws hundreds of thousands of Jack Daniels fans to visit each year. We Love Jack Daniels. So we wanted to see where it was made. That is on her back list to come down here in definitely on your bucket list. Yeah just Something that I have to do before we traveled to Nashville for a quick vacation. So this is LS up before flat this afternoon on this tour our Guy Jet has about twenty people including one Pesky podcast host from places like Illinois Iowa Massachusetts Montreal and Ireland. It kicks off in front of a seven story building near the top of the hill. You're looking at a million gallons at Jack inside that one building. Yeah you've arrived guys and eventually winds. Its Way we're going to go walk around the corner. I want to show you buy this property to the opening of a limestone cave that's filled with fresh spring water. It's where Jack Daniels set up his still and started making whisky on the property. Jack was born about five miles south in here. He was born the youngest in eighteen fifty six. When Jack was still a child he became a farmhand for neighbor. Dan Call Call also owned a still along with being a Lutheran preacher and it was on that farm that Jack learned how to make whisky as an adult. He bought the property were. The distillery is today. His one-storey office is still standing and in it. A highlight of the tour. That is the actual safe that killed Jag. One Morning Jack kicked it in. Frustration broke his toe and it later had to be amputated that led to severe complications and eventually his death. Y'All touch Yucca. Duchy guys. Just don't kick it sorry to kill the mayor over the course of an hour and a half. Jed tells us a lot about Jack's life how he was only five foot two how he never married and passed the business on to his nephew and he also mentioned the man who had a big impact on the direction of Jack's life. Now the man who taught Jack to make whisky was Mr Nathan Nearest Green Nathan Green. Or as he's usually called nearest sometimes uncle nearest. Mr Green dirty time in the civil war before Mansa patient was infected enslavement. Over on the call property. Unlike Jack Though less is known about nearest green there aren't vivid stories about his life or the random objects he kicked just the bear details. Here's Nelson Eddy. The distilleries historian the earliest book. Jack Daniels that we have was written in the nineteen sixties and tells the story of Jack and nearest Not only them working together but a friendship that they had that Book Jack Daniels. Legacy was written by journalist who went to Lynchburg to do research interview members of both families. It recounts a story when uncle nearest still. An enslaved man was directed to teach young Jack how to make whiskey and for a long time. This was about the extent of what people knew about nearest. You know the Bible for the Jack Daniels tour was always the legacy book in the Legacy Book It clearly tells the Nearest Greens. Jacking Story. A few years ago however the company realized nearest was not brought up regularly tours and he had largely vanished to the world. Outside of Lynchburg. So Jack Daniels saw an opportunity in twenty sixteen during a one hundred fiftieth anniversary. It was a story we said. Hey we might like to highlight this because not only did near show Jack how to make whisky how to use charcoal to filter out. Impurities working side by side with an enslaved man appears to have had a profound influence on him even after he became a successful businessman. It's something Nelson points to in a photo of an older Jack surrounded by the men who worked at the distillery this was probably taken at the nineteen hundreds in the American South. And at that time it would not have been the custom to seat immediately to the owners right an African American individual. Typically they would be standing at the back but not in this photograph and when that photograph was uncovered. We wondered at the time who the gentlemen might be well The Green family has informed us that that is George Green nearest screens son. To of nearest green sons came to work with Jack when he moved his whiskey still to its current location later. Nearest grandsons would work at the distillery today. Three of his descendants still work at Jack Daniels in fact since its founding in eighteen sixty six. There has always been a member of the Green family working at the Jack. Daniel's distillery this history largely unknown to the world outside of Lynchburg struck a chord with reporter from the New York Times and when his story was published in June two thousand sixteen it featured this image of George Green next to Jack Daniel as there is no confirmed image of nearest green. One woman who read that article was fond. Weaver and that photo Khaderah for the same reason it fascinated Nelson the historian at Jack Daniels. The person in the center is an African American man and it is as if Jack seeded the center of the photo to this African American man and then stood just to the left of him and the question became who was African American man with that question and many more fun new which he had to do. I became fascinated. Some people would say I became obsessed. Whatever you WANNA call it. I became something and I decided to go to Lynchburg Tennessee. Though she had no connection to merest and his family she was determined. No more about him. She was willing to move to Lynchburg up in her entire life. To make sure the world would never again forget nearest green her story and his after the break. We're back in two thousand Sixteen Fon. Weaver was an author and an investor who lived in Los Angeles or drink of choice. Bourbon I e H Taylor to be exact and barrel proof neat that was about the extent of her connection to the industry then she read the story about nearest green and saw the picture of his son and right there she decided she had to go visit this small southern town where she knew no one and really didn't know what she'd find. She wasn't too concerned but her husband was. I mean you know. We're African American. The city's called Lynchburg so he had some pretty major reservations about My fascination with this story and going to Lynchburg but after being there for two days and meeting the people and seeing how not only wonderful they were how they were so open to helping us piece together this story. It completely changed how he viewed when got to town. She headed straight to Jack Daniels and went on several tours. But she said she didn't hear about near screen like his name was even mentioned which she found strange. The company said that news article had planned to recognize him. It turns out however Jack Daniels chose to wait on making any modifications to the tours in the middle of the two thousand sixteen presidential election. That article in the New York Times had proved to be a bit of a lightning Rod. Rations ran from positive to negative. Some people wondered if the company had hidden history of nearest while others questioned. Its accuracy a representative for Jack. Daniels later said it worried about being criticized for trying to gain financially from featuring the story of nearest in the end what Faan saw was that nearest was still missing so she got to work very quickly. She pulled together documents and establish trust among the residents of Lynchburg who it turned out already knew part of the story like Nelson Eddy the historian. Jack Daniels the story of nearest green. Something here in Lynchburg. They've long known mayor. Bonnie Lewis definitely knew anybody that has studied any history of Jack. Daniel knows the nearest greene story and perhaps not surprisingly so did the great great granddaughter of Nearest Green Victoria Butler. Everyone Lynch Park has always now. It was never a secret. The relationship between the grains and the Daniels is never secret in Lynchburg. Was that a revelation to you that. Wait everybody here knows the story already. L. is a complete revelation. So I'm in Lynchburg there to do some research and I'm getting a pedicure of all places and you know everyone talks in the Nail Salon and I'm getting better here and I just asked the woman I tell her what I'm there for and I said when that story came out in the New York Times I mean how did people here react and she looks at us like we all knew the story already so it was like totally not a big deal to us and so. I think that they didn't even recognize how significant this story is to America when the residents of Lynchburg met fan and understood her interest in the story of nearest. And how she wanted to tell it. They wanted to get involved and began actively seeking her out to share documents artifacts and photographs with her in fact it started her first day doing research at the local library. I wasn't even there for two hours before. Jack's eldest descendent comes into the library and before she leaves. I have telephone numbers and information on your screens ascendant. Because they grew up together. They ate around the dinner table together. They were friends so we begin there and then she said you know where he grew up and where the distillery was and where he learned how to make whisky. You realize that's for sale. No I didn't even I wouldn't have even thought the farm was you know that they're still out there. And an hour later her causing calls me and I'm a realtor I hear you WanNa go see the Dan call farm. You ran into my cousin at the library. I can take you up there and that is just the way. These pieces began to fall together. Font and her husband bought that farm and have since restored. It also assembled a team of more than twenty archivists archaeologists genealogists and historians who put in time and work to search for information about nearest green and his family. They did research. At the National Archives and the Library of Congress they examined documents census reports Vaughn also interviewed the family of nearest green and along the way brief honor findings in total. She estimates they've collected more than ten thousand documents and other items about nearest and his family. As well as Jack Daniel Lynchburg and distilleries in Tennessee. The irony of it all and I think this is a part of how I know that the story was just to be told no one ever build me to this day. No one has ever build me on the work that they did to help. This story beyond covered with that information font has been able to piece together more details about nearest Greens. Life including where she believes he was born in the eighteen. Seventy census. There's one page where every single person T in Tennessee for their answer to the question. Where were you born except nearest green? Next to his name it's marked. Md from Maryland. Font also thinks she's narrow down the year he was born eighteen. Twenty however you have to remember. African Americans were property not people until the eighteen sixty five so you have these census takers in eighteen. Seventy that are showing up at the doors and now all of a sudden they're counting African Americans not as property but as people and they're looking at them and saying what's your name and they're telling them their name. How do you spell it? I don't know I don't read right. Okay well how old are you? I don't know I don't have a birth certificate and so there literally looking the senses when it comes to. African Americans is so inaccurate. Because there literally looking at you and trying to tell how old you are. I don't know if you've ever heard the saying the black don't crack but when I look at it and I see an eighteen eighty. They said he sixty I'm thinking he's closer to so I don't know I don't know his age. We WanNA think we know his age but we don't. It's one of several examples that demonstrates how hard it can be to learn about people who had been enslaved. There's often little documentation but when nearest became a freeman there were more records. And that's refund made perhaps her biggest discovery one that even. Jack Daniels did not know nearest was more than teacher. He was Jackson. I Master Distiller and that makes nearest green. The first African American one on record in the United States being the first African American master distiller. I don't think that we should or can take that lightly because there are only so many things that we can give African American credit for during a period of time where we couldn't trademark. We couldn't patent. We have our own inventions and so to find out that there was someone who left this legacy of excellence behind is not small and the least bit font shared her findings with the leadership of Jack Daniels and pretty quickly installed a large display at the visitor center about nearest and his family and it started talking about a more frequently during tours most important in two thousand seventeen. The company officially acknowledged that nearest green was the first master distiller at Jack Daniels. Thanks to tax records fond knows nearest kept making whisky until eighteen. Eighty four but after that. There's a sixteen year gap that she's still trying to piece together. What is a burning question that you have about nearest green? You were still trying to answer whereas Barend got no clue so we believe that we know where he is and his entire family as around the tombstone that we believe is his but the original cemetery records were lost and we're still digging to figure out. Is that him if she can confirm where he's buried. She hopes that will give her another thread to follow about nearest. It's those small details that can lead to big discoveries and it makes a better story to if you know how it ends. It's important here to put the work that Fawn and her team are doing in a broader context because as much as it is about one person nearest green. It's about something bigger giving credit to the contributions by people who've been left out of history. Whatever the reason we have a history and which even though it's filled with words it's not necessarily filled with truth for example the method of making whisky nearest taught. Jack filtering through charcoal. It's now believed came from West Africa. Were charcoal is still used today to purify food and water in other words. The very process that defines Jack Daniels whiskey and Tennessee whiskey. Broadly speaking most likely originated with the people forcibly brought to this country as slaves Tennessee. Whiskey is your first American like truly all American spirit because you are taking what West Africans brought with them. And you're putting it with whites that are here and you're creating a product that is uniquely indigenous to both and I don't know of any other that has done that. This is particularly alive moment in terms of looking at African American history. Jessica Harris is a professor and author and a Food Historian. Who's been studying the food of Africa and what happened to it after it left that continent and arrived in places like the. Us people are being reclaimed. In many ways people are being discovered in many ways. It's a real kind of unearthing and a repositioning of things. I think that's a good thing you can see that legacy here in foods like Okra and watermelon and possibly even seed rice. There are also genetic traces of Africa in Texas longhorn cattle. There's also cooking techniques and the people themselves like Thomas Jefferson Chef and enslave man. Named James Hemmings. Yes that hemmings Sally's brother. James trained as a chef in Paris when Jefferson was the ambassador to France and he returned with Jefferson to the US and kept cooking for him. We all know. Jefferson brought back ice cream. Jefferson brought back macaroni and cheese. What the question is was Jefferson cooking? And that's where James hemmings comes in because of her extensive research and writing harasses the lead curator of an exhibit in New York called African slash American making the nation's table with the Museum of food and drink. It explores the history of African American contributions to agriculture hospitality entrepreneurship and beverages. Hello near screen. It also presents a more complete picture of our nation's history because as Harris puts it African American food is American food and that started with slavery basically African Americans grew the food harvested. The Food Process the Food Cook. The Food Serve. The food cleared the table and emptied the chamber pots. That's about is totally involved in the American food chain as you can be merit is as important as it is to uncover these histories and confronts sometimes difficult truths that does not always mean people will remember Fawn. Weaver worried about that. She feared that simply documenting. The facts about nearest green might not be enough for people to know his story. We have so much history. But how does he get out there? What is the medium so she decided to do with nearest? Did Not do open a whisky distillery. She called it uncle. Nearest a new brand could write an historical wrong by keeping his name on. People's lips for generations to come that story after the break. Welcome back thanks to fond inner team to understand the story of nearest green. You now go to the place where it's being told. Shelbyville Tennessee so I went. We've taken this Hay Barn and we're making First Bottling House. My Guide is Sherry more. The operations manager for uncle nearest premium. Whisky located about an hour. South East of Nashville. So what does this in here? This will be a where we store barrels for single barrel. The distillery is being built on the site of a Tennessee. Walking horse farm spread out over nearly three hundred acres of green pastures are several whitewash stables with green roofs renovating these existing structures and building. New Ones will cost an estimated. Fifty million dollars and be completed in about two years already finished temporary visitor center and the corporate offices. These are four styles so this one was son still lot so I'm trying to get pictures of him but on my wall since that was his home and now it's become a office. Sherry has a long history with whiskey. She's the cousin of the oldest living relative of Jack Daniel. She spent thirty one years working at Jack Daniels including directing whiskey operations. When she retired she became a real estate agent. In fact Sheri's the one who sold that farm to Fawn and her husband. The One were nearest tot jack how to make whisky by the way a picture of that farm houses on the uncle nearest label. Typically when you're in real estate in your showing property to somebody from California they do not buy the farm they get back to California and decide that was a bad idea but they actually bought the farm and great piece of history and they purchase it so I met on their second day. When Fon arrived in Tennessee she was not thinking about selling whiskey. Let alone building a multi-million dollar distillery. She was thinking more along the lines of writing a book about near a screen. And that's still on her to do list but a couple of things happened. That changed her mind as she got to know the people in the community like Sherry and members of the green family. She kept hearing the same thing about making a whiskey with nearest name. On it from Sherry. It was if I ever decided to honor nearest with a bottle she would come out of retirement to make sure I got it right and then learning what come out of retirement mint. Which is. She's the best in the business. Okay so that was in the back of fons mind and then when she spoke to some of nearest descendants and I said what is that one thing you think should happen in order to honor nearest to honor your ancestor. And they said we think his name should be on a bottle then. One day she went to see the movie hidden figures with a few of those family members. I cannot do my work. Effectively acting not have all of the data and all of the information. As soon as it's available I need to be in that room here. What you if you don't know the movie. It's based on the true story of three African American women who played key roles in the Space Program. Font family loved the movie and they saw parallels to the story of nearest green and his relationship with Jack Daniel but about three weeks later when fon was thinking about the movie and what people had been saying to her. It all connected. I realized I could not tell you the name of one person who was a hidden figure. I could tell you Octavia Spencer. I could tell you. Janelle Monet terrar- GP Hinson. I could tell you who played the characters but I could not actually tell you who the people were whose legacy that entire movie was built to tell. And that's when we realized hundred years from now nobody's going to know nearest his name unless it's on a bottle with that realization. She decided to go into the Whiskey business i. She found a source of Tennessee whiskey. She thought good enough to bear the name uncle nearest then in July two thousand seventeen. She launched the brand since then. She's raised the money to finish building the new distillery and has already started making whisky. That will be sold once it finishes aging it's almost as if the entire universe conspired to make sure the story was told and for whatever reason. I was chosen to tell the story I felt very oepration saying it that way but that. It's the only explanation that that I can give. It's also happening very fast already. She's selling three different whiskies. Let's say eighty four on your left which includes leading tastings around the country and each time telling the story of uncle nearest for it is that year is the last year that we actually have records for nearest great already the whiskies are sold in all fifty states and in a dozen countries outside of the US and in the few years since uncle nearest was introduced. The whiskies have won multiple awards. We start off afterwards. Best Tennessee whiskey. Most recently at the world whiskies awards in New York and that goes to uncle nearest on also brought the green family into the whiskey business. In fact the master blender that's the person who decides what the final whiskey will taste like is Victoria Butler one of near descendants. Which one did you blend that? Eight hundred eighty four. And why is it? Eight hundred eighty four. That is the year that we believe near screen last but with skin. A barrel cheers cheers delicious. It's got a lot of sweetness to it for. Sure that now Little it's a little bit nutty is a little like butterscotch. That comes from. The Oak. Victoria spent almost thirty one years working for the federal government before she retired. Thanks to Fawn. She has a second unexpected career though. Perhaps it's not too surprising. Considering her great great grandfather was whiskey really is in my blood and had it not been for this grand being launched a may have never tapped into that. So I'm thrilled to be doing what? I'm doing now to have the honor of being the first African American female to be master blender. A major spirit is huge. And so I don't take lightly and so I I'm loving master blender Victoria Butler her office at the distillery is down the hall from Sherry more. The operations manager and across the hall is Fawns who I might add is the first African American woman to own and run a major spirit brand. Our brand is the first major spirit brand ever to be led by all women I think when we calculated them there were like ten. I there things like me being the first African American on the cover of a major whisky magazine like these types of I you would have thought happened before but no apparently these are years to to break all these records making history in twenty twenty just like an eighteen sixty six when nearest green became Jack. Daniels I master distiller the first African American on record and for that matter the last one for Meijer brand to remember that photo of Jack. Next George Green one of the sons of nearest the photo that sent fond down the unexpected road of creating a whiskey to honor him. The photos on the wall of these photos are all our master distillers. It's now on the wall at the Jack Daniel's distillery. This is where Mr Nathan near screens. Picture belongs to memorialize what nearest accomplished and honor the friendship between him and Jack when the continues to this day among the families visitors can now learn how after emancipation nearest kept working for Jack. How Jack paid him a fair wage based on his skill and how thanks to Vaughn's research we know that nearest when from slavery to becoming the wealthiest African American in Lynchburg potentially wealthier than some of his white neighbors. It's a story that visitors a Jack Daniels or excited to hear. Like Stacey Levine. Ivan Stefan. Oh do you think it's important to tell his part of the story when telling the Jack Daniel's story as well I think this story is probably just as important if not more important because he is the one who happen. Here's the catalyst. And so the fact that he's a former slave just adds to the the greatness of the story. I think it's a story whose time has really come again. Nelson Eddy The historian at Jack Daniels. Out of this really divided. Time comes this story of people working together in this small town in the south. That's really a remarkable story. It's one I think we can be proud of and Jack Daniels we'd like to think that whiskey brings people together. But actually it's people like Jack and nearest could brings together in the four years since I read about nearest green. Her impact has been far reaching for Jack Daniels. Yes but even more for nearest green and his family life that includes establishing a foundation which provides scholarships for his descendants to go to college already. There are twelve recipients. They're also plans to build a memorial park named after him near the Jack. Daniel's distillery what it has done for my family is let the world know who near screen is so fine waiver in my book is a Rockstar. Sometimes it takes a person from the outside to rediscover truths and uncover new ones. That were always there but just needed more attention and today thanks to the creation of uncle. Nearest whiskey near story is one more people will like the here because in the world of whiskey and Bourbon the good story in these important as the actual drink itself especially when it's an important one. It's odd to say it this way but it's a whiskey with a mission behind it and I think that it will continue to be that long long long after. I'm gone every time someone orders Jack. Daniel's Tennessee whiskey. They're helping to keep his memory alive. That's been the case for more than one hundred and fifty years font is creating the same legacy for nearest green everyone. I want to let you know this is the last episode of our. Let's hell it winter season. Thank you so much for listening and just you know. We are already hard at work on several news stories and we'll be back with a full season very shortly but until then be sure to keep an eye out for some bonus content and other stories. We're going to be publishing in the coming weeks. We think you really liked them. Don't forget we love hearing from you. You can reach us in so many different ways. There's the brought to you by facebook group there's email bt. Y BE AT BUSINESS INSIDER DOT com. 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Season 8: Episode 8: Meg Christian

Making Gay History

27:31 min | 2 weeks ago

Season 8: Episode 8: Meg Christian

"I'm eric. Marcus and this is making a history. When i listened to the decades old interviews. We've been sharing from the studs. Terkel radio archive. I tend to reflect on where i wasn't my own life when people like leonard. Matt levine. Joe johnston were experiencing milestones and there's or lesbian folksinger may christian who were featuring this final episode of our eighth season as you'll hear nine hundred and sixty nine was a turning point for meg for me that you're mainly brings back. Memories of mrs green's fifth grade class. A ps ninety nine in queens new york but outside my prepubescent bubble lgbtq history was being made nineteen. Sixty-nine was stonewall. It was the dawning of the gay liberation phase of the movement and from a christian it was the year of feminist awakening a new consciousness that found heartfelt and witty expression in songs that came to define women's music women's music was a movement. All its own in the nineteen seventies. It was about social change feminist solidarity and self empowerment and more often than not it was about lesbian love and pride not surprising since lesbians with a driving force behind the movement. That's where christian played a major role in nineteen seventy-three megan a collective like minded lesbians family. Olivia records it was groundbreaking independent record company for women and by women what the olivia collective lockton capital and experience. They made up for in talent and vision both on stage and behind the scenes. Olivia provided an antidote to the street boys club of the music industry and they put women's music on the map. The labels i was megs i know you know released in nineteen seventy five by the time makes down. This does terkel in his chicago studio. She just released her third album turning over. Let's join megan studs for conversation. First broadcast on september sixteenth nineteen eighty-one and for a listen to some of makes a tunes. We're gonna make the set of an autobiography of three or songs who has made christian portrait with us. Go back to the beginning. Who are you where where where where it began and we came from well. I was born in tennessee in nineteen forty six and grew up in virginia and north carolina and What else would you like know. Beginning family well. My father Taught in universities and colleges taught history and he died when i was two and my mother. raise me. I was the only child still. I am and she worked as medical record librarian in lynchburg virginia and We were we were each other's family for my whole growing up. Tom and so. I spent lots of time by myself. Learning to play. Anything with strings started when i was five playing a ukulele and promptly sat on it and had to buy another one and probably hit that over. Someone's head and bought another one and Finally worked my way up to two guitar. It was very much self taught at organized groups during the the sixties in lynchburg and and we learned to play the guitar by listening to people like joan baez and the kingston trio and bill. Fati was it was interesting. Because i stayed very much in my own Terry shell until i got into college. I was not involved politically. But i knew growing up as a woman that i could not couldn't relate to the stereotype the stereotype social images of women. That kept coming my way I knew that i was different. And i couldn't understand why my choices would seem to be so limited Why the boys in the class looked at me. Funny when i ask too many questions you know. They were all kinds of little messages. That something was amiss. And it wasn't until actually gene mccarthy ran for president that i that i sat at a booth in front of the post office in chapel hill and gave out pamphlets and had no idea what i was doing but that was the beginning and so and music comes out of music as southern home. This is autobiographical. I suppose is very much. Though it talks about that Very ambivalent relationship that most southerners feel about the south get intense love and intense embarrassment and You know you you grow up to believe that the south is a special beautiful warm rich cultural social place and at the same time you you are taught to believe that it's got to be the most oppressive Awful place in the world for anyone who has any different ideas about life and you grow up feeling that you're kind of ignorant because everyone always makes fun of southern accents You know. I used to listen to people on tv. Who had accents just like me and be embarrassed hearing them talk. You know which is a little strange and so for years. After i left the south. I tried to learn to talk differently and pretended like i've forgotten where i was from not until several years later. Did i meet Some people who Were proud of their heritage and who learned to sift through and take what was beautiful and special and hold onto that and some were even going back to to take what they learned to do. Political work in the south to help make change in the the place of their roots and it moved me so deeply to hear them talk that i it allowed me to go back and and see it differently and accept what was always in there. The love southern home around friends. From sal as soon as we'd good Fleet including closets pain the southern big words To the place Door to bad been trying. Saw sir Found a oh been. Reclaim your saw. You to own. Ooh ooh embrace embrace a pound Wanted as ma Until funny lessening the song southern home to make christian who originally of lynchburg virginia and then university of north carolina. I wanted to forget it Routes and one of the lines is fleeing confederate closets. Pain then what happened well then. I study classical guitar for awhile and moved to washington. Dc and found the women's movement and the gay liberation movement sort of simultaneously in the fall of sixty nine. Were starting up. And i was working in nightclubs just singing any pretty melody that came down the pike. I suddenly realized that I take what. I was learning and translated into into my music and start singing songs. That had true things. Positive things to say about women's lives to give us a sense of out the fullness and the complexity of our lives I realized that the the images of women in popular music were limited to say the to be kind insulting usually And i couldn't relate to him. And i wanted to talk to the truth. I wanted to talk about my life to people who could understand my experiences because they were a lot more of us than i used to think in my confederate closet of pain. The had to be certain people influences on your lives. Weren't there i mean to make you feel freer. There was a movement but also had individuals to aren't they will certainly as i was growing up. I was looking around for role models all the time for women who had chosen non traditional jobs for women who had chosen not to marry You know my mother was a tremendous example to me because she she lived as a single independent working woman. And all the other Friends that i had had two parents you know the the father worked the mother didn't and And so there were people around you know. I had a a high school teacher who was a gay man who Who was incredibly supportive to me At a time that i needed support. 'cause of course i was the only one in the world to me. That's the essence of it to be reminded that we are not alone in anything that we're feeling 'cause i think that will kill us faster than anything is feeling. We're alone and a gym teacher. This special connotation doesn't it song well at the song off my very first album and It's a song about role models about my eighth grade teacher who i absolutely worshipped because she was one of the first woman that i ever seen in my life who was having a non traditional role no and she was strong and she was beautiful and she loved what she was doing and i thought oh boy maybe they're more choices in this world and i thought they were so anyway. Here's a song about my gym teacher. Called ode to a gym teacher was a common good jewish. You'll always be up there on the mall. A note been on my end. Edge did on my locker in car. Medina's hard her initials on the books. And i never knew till later wack on those was just Willing gym class while the others. Talk the boys that they alone. I've been thinking of new aches and pains teacher head to and while other girls went to the problem languish bad call men hanging Johnny mathis your chain for her whistling and some daisies. Suggestive warns for christmas edna. Jewish imminent long. So you just go to class and you'll see one girl who sticks to teacher thinks to a one girl runs need all made. It'd be a ball. You'll be a player on the ball field of my net that tender tender loving. What is it is is their way of describing the difference in feminist music. Maybe i don't wanna force anything. Well i prefer to use the term. Women's music women's because for some people. Feminism has a People have certain put certain emotional connotations or tend to narrow it. When i like to think of of i mean because of course. My music is feminist And but essentially the way i would define it for myself is that is music. Bet comes consciously out of my awareness of myself as a woman in the world what that means to me. the insights that have had about it and That it tries to it tries to tell the truth it tries to give positive images and give us support. I spent years of my life. Doing intense political work to help make change within within the the idea of women's issues and women's rights and at the same time. I was working so hard That i was killed myself. drinking heavily. I was Not resting and i realized at some point that i was doing what What i had been saying that the world was doing to me you know. Don't you bother out there. i'll take care of it myself. And that i wanted to be around for this revolution and so for me it starts inside myself learning to change myself To create a life. In which i can function. What can i do best. What can i relate to personally. what do i have the talent to contribute to. Who who come to you concerts. Well mostly women. The all the concerts that. I'm doing on. This tour are open to anyone An increasing diversity of people in the audience mostly women. Young women had have an older women. Oh yes definitely lots of generations. We have coming now. Lots of young children you. When i think about what my life would have been growing up in lynchburg virginia. If i had heard this music when i was thirteen years old i would be a different person. Will you first aware that something out there. Well it wasn't when i was in lynchburg virginia. Tell you that I had to really wait until i was in college now and that to me is the exciting things that the music can travel. Sometimes where we as Physical bodies can't get to and the music travels and goes and we get letters from time any towns where you think where on earth could they have heard that album and they here and they know that they're connected they're connected and so there will never be the same is there are places where you we. We are considered controversial. You name it Though women's production group in boston doing a concert at harvard on got sued Because we wanted to have one Open to everyone concert in one all women's concert and one guy who wanted to come to the women's concert in refused to believe that anything could legitimately exist without. His presence sued the production company. No it happens everywhere but in smaller You said you performed with salt lake city. That's right we'll just a few days ago. We were there or was it yesterday It was very exciting. It's one of the first concerts of women's music that they had there and mormon country. You bit I remember hours singing one song that do call leaping lesbians which is on my second album face the music. It's a very funny song about the stereotypes that many of us carry around inside of us. We pretend to be ever so open minded I said at one point. And now i want you all this with me latte enough so they can hear it all the way over the tabernacle and this gas and everyone kind of wit gulp. We're not sure we want quite that land but you know the act of coming to that concert Whether or not you're lesbian whether or not you were just anyone who was open to new ideas and to some support just for the idea of being a whole woman in this world. It was a risk. It was a personal professional risk. It was a political act to come to that concert. And so the energy. And the bonding that was there was quite amazing. There were over three hundred people there depot in them. Only thing you get to go runaway homeless written out. You gave your taste be Nasty a real say hosk yellow Christian largely retired from the music scene in nineteen eighty-four she moved to an ashram in upstate new york and adopted a new first name shembe. She's recorded several albums of devotional songs and lullabies and works at a nonprofit that spreads the spiritual teachings of city yoga. Olivia records transformed itself into view. Travel a company that designs vacations for lesbians and lgbtq plus women since two thousand and to make his performed on several olivia cruises revisiting. Her classic hits for during audiences. Many thanks to everyone. Who makes making gay history possible senior producer and honey rouse co-producer deputy director of d'italia researcher. Brian for re photo editor. Michael green genealogists michael the clerk and social media producers cristiana opinion and a quarter special. Thanks to generalize berman and our founding editor and producer sarah birmingham. Our theme music was composed by fritz. Myers making a is a co production of pineapple street studios with assistance from the new york public library's manuscripts in division and the one archives at the usc libraries season eight of this podcast has been produced in association with the studs terkel radio archive managed by wwl. Fm t in partnership with the chicago. History museum a very special. Thank you to ellison. Shine homes director of media archives. It wtt w chicago pbs and wfan t chicago for giving us access to studs. Terkel treasure trove of interviews. You can find many of them at studs. Terkel dot w. f. m. t. dot com this episode featured the songs southern home and ode to a gym teacher written and performed by may christian courtesy of bumbling music and symbolic records. Leaping lesbians was written by sue. Think and performed by may christian courtesy of tara music and shumba vik recordings. This podcast has been made possible with funding from the jonathan logan family foundation. The foundation proud chicagoans barbara levy kipper and irwin andhra press and our listeners including eileen and tad smith amy key spay and brad prony on behalf of his husband and pioneering activists tony russo. Thanks leinen sad thanks. Amy thanks brad case. You've just recently started listening to making a history. While working on her next season. I think just having a listen to some of our previous episodes from the past four years. You'll find them at making a history dot com along with archival photos and additional resources. Who were you can. Listen to make history wherever you get your podcasts. If you'd like to be the first to know what we've got coming up next go to making a history dot com and sign up for our newsletter so long until the next season of making a history.

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How Eating Simply Worked for Doug

No Meat Athlete Radio

47:02 min | 2 years ago

How Eating Simply Worked for Doug

"Hi, this is how this is Corrine. Hi, this is Katie from Washington DC, and you're listening. No me radio. W will be excited to hear that. I watched my first round of disk off the other day. I'm really excited. Not much. Did you watch it on YouTube in Washington high per US live, it's it's not exactly seriously. I watched it. Watch the round of it. What I what I did was when park and someone who is linked, not not even quite that much when when we my my, my son has soccer by destroys a week. And when we leave that area, it's through this. This, this sports park that is that is local and there's fields and things around there and. There's just one discount hold that we drive by. There's always this long line to get out his weight. 'cause because of the flooding that happened earlier this year, one of the field to the deal is way too crowded now, and there's a huge line to get out. So what we add to sit there and watch and I, it's only one hold I saw. I watched one threesome go past in, do the whole, and it was enlightening. Did it make play? No, it didn't at all it. Actually, it saddened me Doug for you an all day care. Those backpacks with their clubs in with their disks in them like little like regular like LL bean backpack like fifty five year old men are playing the sport and the care that thing around grab a frisbee out of it, throw it will those those fifty five year old men don't have the speak year then. Oh, no, what what's the real bags but to be well. So like I have like a little slick little satchel kind of thing, but it's designed for this could hold out of maybe ten days or something. I'm like a water bottle. It's like that. But like the one serious guys have backpacks that are designed for it. So they're like open in the back and you just like side you're disks and it looks like a legit this this bag. Do they wear like hydration packs or have any major nutrition strategy. Sometimes you'll see people with like a like they have like a pack has a spot for a bladder or something. You ever do you ever see like a bad, bad bunk and in discount people like crash at whole sixteen, how many, how many children do. How many, how many children disco eighteen eighteen to get that. That s bet they get that aspect. We have parse and in all that stuff. You be excited here that like one of the best players in the world right now who's just been blowing up this year is is vegan eagle McMahon. Are we going to get him on. I would love to get him on. Suggested a couple of weeks suggested a couple of weeks ago, and then I thought you're giving too much to it's crap. But you, but you'd be the interview, be Doug, hey, exclusive. Difficult feature, man, that'd be. So you find out about what he eats during around when he tennis Naxi brings. Oh man, a, that'd be like in total. Like, you know, pretty nervous thing. Yep, name. We could see if he knows any vegan defy east sports players. And you could do that you? Yeah. The the fever nineteen comes out on Friday the one day after this one, right? But that's that's if you didn't preorder a month ago to get the champions edition and then you got the game on Tuesday, you think I didn't do that? Did you have to do that course? I did that. How is it? Is it just, you know, it's kind of exactly the same game. There's a few little new aspects, but not that much. What can they change every year? I mean, what did they clear what they can change every year is they can change player ratings, which my son holding this totally into the player rating for him is the end all be all number that dictates that players worth in life. Basically, like he just thinks like if somebody is eighty nine, then that guys knew the United and he wouldn't understand why real life. Some one club would ever trade in eighty nine for eighty five. He thinks it's just like, why would anybody do that? So what is good? It's just kind of reduces it all the one one dimension and all the kits update which I mean, soccer has a major racket going on with with the the jerseys and things like they change it every single year. And then the fans just go by the new eighty dollars every year because you don't want to be seen wearing the old one. I don't think so. They update their Jersey's rear every single year and and they all look really cool in their own Adidas, Nike in it just like a big deal when they get released in like all the whole color scheme, Shane, everything changes, they keep something constant, but it all changes in it seems all the all the gear, all the scarf things. If people hold up the ball, the balls that have a team logo, does everything changes. And then everyone seems to me that everyone buys because you don't see that much old stuff compared to the new. Yeah. So like if you, if you just can't afford to buy a New Jersey every year, then you shouldn't be the Joe loser too poor to be thin. Let's. Which is strange considering you're supposed to be able to play with their feet in not need any actual a ball. That's right. That's right. Everybody anybody can play soccer. It seems you're supposed to be that way to me. Yes. What a paper if you need to. But you gotta have the right jersey right. I don't even know if we're going to get updated. Yours is that we did it. We bought them one time more for my for my son, and I don't know that we're gonna get the next year. Right. Right. Yep, I did. Of course. What about like the the like the locally here? They don't change jerseys every year delay. Yep, of course. They Chris. So I did buy one of those because the season ticket to get in to the games. And that's maybe that's the expo the excuse for, why is it? That makes more sense. That makes while I think they would change it either way, even even the kids sons, this academy program Adidas requires that the jersey change every two to three years because they want us to more usually get. Oh gosh. Yeah, that's awful. That is really, I think there's a ton of money though. I think it's probably one, maybe bigger money making you know tickets and TV they maybe I don't know anything. Maybe that's totally off, but because I don't know how much how much per per fan a TV contract makes, but I just know a lot of people are sporting hundred dollar jerseys and they buy them again every year. Who knows. Very interesting. It is. So, well, I I've been, I was thinking about you this weekend here. It's good. I was thinking that you to see. Yeah, so that a wedding and. The ceremony was beautiful, but during like, right, as everybody made it underneath the tent into the reception just started dumping rain. I mean like inches of rain over the next few hours into the point where by the time dinner was done every like all the tables were basically unlike an inch of water. And the night turned a little bit weird, but it reminded me of a story I heard about you and your wedding. Oh yeah. Where your your wedding turned a little bit weird here because of rain because tells. Then we'll compare it what if you feel comfortable till you? Yeah, I don't know that it was eating, but the same thing here my my only we insisted it started pouring and so we had a tent outdoor thing. The ceremony was fine. That was also outdoors that was fine. Then we moved onto the ten for the reception and halfway through dinner. It's skies just opened up and rain for like an hour straight hard and the DJ's equipment. Apparently all got ruined because came in the sides of the tent. And then people started slipping sliding. They started running bibs at this big farm, and people started just running full Pettus team out of the tent. And then we'll just dive on the grass and just go for like, I don't know. Thirty yards seemed like at and then and then people started chanting names people. They want all like reverberated through the tent. And there was this big like. Like that thing started going on, and he was just so loud into the tent with the rain pouring. And then people started chanting my best man in the way he was my friend named Pat. People started saying Matt and pet matinee pet. And I, I've heard some versions of the story where I did it at that point. But the version I recall is that I went up to my new wife and said, can we, you know, this is this is this is this whole planning this event was a little bit more important to you than it was to me? Not not that the event was important, but I think I think that just. In many times, one of the one of the partners is more about wedding planning than the others. So I said, you know, what do you think should we do as we were chanting, Matt and pet. I would do it and and she said, no, don't do it. So I didn't do it. That's the part I remember. So you never did it did not do it? No, but I know some people got their got their talks ruined one of the guys in the wedding. Ruined his thing. No, that that's one one guy ruined his new suit. Someone else who did it who was in the wedding, just returned it as at like that, and it was fine. Didn't never had Bayern's. That's funny. Yeah, yeah, yes. Kind of a similar story where although there was everything was kind of underneath attended it flooded, you know, I don't know if it was poorly placed tent or if it was just the amount of water that came down over the like couple of hours, the reception the ground is couldn't handle it. But there was so much water underneath the tent that anywhere people would walk like inbetween tables around the dance floor in front of the bar just by like. I don't know by an hour after dinner was just a huge mud and and so by the end of the reception like so, so piece on people were comfortable with that like left. But you know, the younger crowd definitely stayed and continue to party, and people just took off their shoes and roll up their pants and ladies were like tying up their dresses into skirts. And by the end of the night, the mudpit was like around the dance floor was over your ankles. Doc name, five like. That's exactly what it felt like. It's just like everywhere and and then so eventually people started doing the same thing like running off the like wooded part of the dance floor, diving into the mud pit, getting it head to toe in your face in your ears, and. I didn't do it, but but a lot of people did and the night ended with like at, you know, at the last song, the bride and groom did it and then would often. I mean, I think that's as well as a wedding could possibly go. That is great. It's great for the guests. It's so much more memorable for the guests in the couple than normal scripted wedding would be. All right. Ed is that is perfect and yet and this adults, we don't get that may chances to do that kind of fun stuff. But for some reason it happens when natured it was. It was. It was a night to remember without a doubt. Like, I'm sure that they would plan it that way, but I don't think anybody who got it and you know, and I think it comes down to, you know, with every situation like this, like not just weddings, but like especially weddings or something, you've put a lot of effort into a lot of planning and probably a lot of money. You know, there's like those expectations. And then as soon as the rain comes in your your party turns, but like, what are you gonna do? And you could see that like the bride was struggling with it at first. Like when I dance is like water coming in on the band and everything right. But you know, sue major major credit to them because they just rolled with it and ended up having a total black man said today when they did at the end, did the bride to it in her dress. She did. I saw on Instagram the next day. She would like it was in the bathtub with Oxy. They were just like dumping toxic cleaning. I'm sure it is ruined. I'm sure the they. He was wearing a custom made suit for the wedding. And I mean, I just can't even imagine like I had so much getting mud out of my clothes and I did not dive in the mud mutt. Right. Well, that's good. It's a good time duck. I like that good time and and but it was funny when it first started writing it. I like getting a little wet under the table owes. I was telling that story about your wedding which had only heard once maybe a really long time ago. It didn't know it all that and then you know. Sure enough. That's what it turned into you. Yeah, that sounds like even better than mine because mine he had to go out of the tent. They used to partake in the mud south. This sounds like it was. There was literally no. Well, good for you. I heard that you tried my eating approach while you were away this Rhode Island, look, everything else. You know this was in Virginia's was Lynchburg, Virginia. Okay. Home home of the Virginia Tech. No hold move. Lynchburg college. Blacksburg Virginia. Yes, that's right. Yeah, which Lynchburg? It was actually outside Lynchburg. And then the wedding was at a farm and we were staying at like a an Airbnb with some cousins, and everything was kind of like fifteen to twenty minutes away from everything else. And there's really nothing out there is like the, we weren't really near a big town or anything like that. I mean, Lynchburg was there, but like maybe half an hour away and so it just it would didn't since since we were family members and we were going to the rehearsal dinner and all these other things just didn't. Linda itself, well, to being able to cook much and being able to kind of prepare a lot of food. And then of course, the wedding and the rehearsal dinner didn't really have much being an option, not even. They didn't say, Doug, your steamed guests. We're not gonna vegan. Thank for you. They had. They had what looked like a delicious vegetarian option that was possibly Rivera covered teas and. And butter. The my cousin sitting next me his and mine and you, you must be raised a big fuss right made a big scene about, oh yeah, I just like went up to the bride. It's just breathing a huge fuss to stand up for veganism. Tell you do. No, I kind of had a feeling that that that would be the case. And so I followed your purchased. We talked about a couple of weeks ago and the simplicity episode right point on your. You also followed our poaching. We're talking about all the time which is in what we just said, not making a huge human people like to do that. That's fine. But that is not not my preferred way of doing it, and I don't think that's the best way to represent boot. So I'm glad that you felt that approach first of all, that's more important. Yes. And you know what? I think. I mean, I could have done anything, and I'm sure it would have had its own impacts, but. When when I was sitting at the table with a with some people who didn't know me that well, and it was served in in, you know, in it was kind of obvious that I wasn't going to eat it. But when I didn't make a fuss and I didn't like do anything. And I didn't like it didn't even say anything suffer to my cousin next to me if you wanted to eat it and he did. You know at like the like everyone was of like that was really cool. You know you, what are you gonna do. And I was like, well, I brought some snacks and some fruit in the car, and I, you know, went out like after dinner, you know, when the party was getting going, I went out and had some food in the car, and you know it's like no big deal. And I think that they respected that so much more than anything else I have done. All right. That was my heart. Yeah, but but I took your, we brought like all these snacks all these like nuts and seeds and are not not really see it's nuts and a bunch of fruit and like a little bit of peanut butter and jelly sandwich for the for the wedding night. And you know, just like had all these like really easy to eat non cook foods that we just kept in the car and kept at the house and and it was fun, eight that way the entire weekend. I got home and realize I hadn't had a real meal the entire weekend. Right love that it was like, oh man, that was so easy and not a big deal at all and not just that. But the whole point of what that episode was, you probably eat healthier in the amount of fruit and nuts. You eight and whatever else you probably did a better job than you know, had there been all kinds of food available? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure negated all that healthiness with, of course. But yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Like if had I eaten a big heavy pasta meal even had been vegan. You know, it probably would not have been very healthy. Right, got or whatever. You know, whatever they were serving. Yeah. Good. Well, I'm glad that you do you understand where I'm coming from, because I'd sounded like a wet wet then upset. I think. I felt like I like an extreme. I dunno, extremist. It was a little weird. You're you're, you're pretty extreme, manic guests them. Any extreme video soccer? Well, do you remember when I. We had it was after this year's beach vacation that I did one of the two. And I was telling you that I almost wanted to just do the fruitarian thing during the beach week, instead of having to try to eat normal food animal, we ended up doing was bringing that air, and that was fine worth. Great. We had to do a lot of preparing food, but it was pretty easy and convenient. Once we did that. But I said yes to this you this before we really laid out this talk much about this. This approach of kind of forgetting throwing out the window. The idea of a meal, just eating fruits or raw vegetables or HAMAs for Nazi just healthy foods one at a time, not thinking in terms of meals. And I said, I said, that's why I think it would be sort of I Don. I see myself doing like during one next time go to the beach, maybe saying for the week, I'm just gonna do fruitarian bit for a whole week. I'm still going to drink beer, whatever it have -cation fund, but and you thought that was crazy isn't. That was a terrible idea. To enter, and maybe now you've come around a little bit. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying. I'm not saying it's a good idea to do that on vacation, right? Because for some people, vacation is a time to eat junkier food usually do not mind. It's just a nice way to contain that, so that's fine. But as far as like convenience and when you're like, we go to fourth of July, it just it just always sort of a big everyone supportive. But like I always gotta make sure we have our own dinner range because there's always big dinners at happen and very often they're friendly enough. Someone will be thoughtful enough to make vegan. Option happens a lot, but I've just wondered like I didn't have to think about that. Didn't when people get subs in the day, I don't have to have some pre made ding for the kids wraps or for myself. Like what if I just had a whole bunch of oranges interstate those it just I think the convenience will be so much more. To just eat that. Yeah, so yeah, it was. It was like after, you know, kind of, I don't even know if I like decided I was going to eat this way with. We decided we were going to sway it. Just kind of like we just once we decided that we weren't going to rely on any any meals like the like the breakfast after the wedding, the wedding dinner, the rehearsal dinner, and then like all the things we were doing during the day. You know, once we kind of decided we weren't going to rely on any of that. It was just it just like freed you up right to just kind of have a bunch of things at your disposal and can eat and pick around as you as soft that, right, you know, and I liked it and then took all the stress out of like, gosh, I'm going to have anything to eat at the at the rehearsal or at the wedding dinner, and you know, and then they ended up having like a nice salad. So I had some some solid along with the fruit and stuff that I'd already eaten before the for the ceremony. You're right. I can see I can see how that would be like a really nice. It would wake. You feel free when you're right, you're freed from your bonds of having to eat meals. Hey, during your vacation because you could just eat me, you're hungry and you eat the fruit that you have with you. You know on this, I wonder if people hearing this, do you think it's crazy earth like I all the time when I think if people listen to this and have heard us for long enough, think they've got to be a little bit like us in many ways and they would've not tolerated us for that long. If for two hundred. I'm sure some people think this is crazy, but I think they're probably ought to do have experimented this or discovered this on their own. Maybe, you know, I think you could just naturally find this sometimes because sometimes that's the only option you have to eat food is to, you know, go swing by the grocery store and grab some adapted to be fifteen times in the past couple of years at this golf tag gone each summer, it has become tradition that I show up with a full head of cabbage, and then just rip off pieces, demand helmets, and he had for snacks, and I get made fun of for it, but but people expect it now. So I, I do it. That's pretty good. It's once I actually left it in. Got. So we play this morning around I and I got a ride from rented a car and got there. He picked me up at the airport or something, something complicated debt, but I wrote it with all my stuff in his car. And then we play this first morning, nine hole thing before the whole thing really kicks off. And I left the cabbage in his car in that morning, and then it was really hot and it just it just reach me up in the car. That's really funny anyway, speaking, what we'll before we move on. I think we should acknowledge your mic because there's yes, we have a serious problem with today. It is seems that it doesn't work anymore at all. So I'm using those. Your bud lights at apple Inc. Yeah, which are are just fine, but they're not not that high quality standards. We like to set here sleeping. Right that that's true. But hopefully we'll go on Amazon and get ourselves a new blue Mike, or maybe if someone from from blue listening, they'll just as a free replacement. Mike. Two and a half years at it had this thing. I know it. It's too expensive for it to go out that quickly business expense though. Right? Just write a check for it. Yeah, exactly. Anyway. So speaking of fruitarian, Doug that reminded hold on before we change subject. I feel like I was kind of talking down on the wedding a little bit. Did you feel. Food and everything. So I'm very grateful. So if they if anyone's listening here to my cousins and it was a wonderful, beautiful skin, and thank you very much. Okay. Anyway. All right. Fruitarian. Okay. Do you ever feel that way? Do you ever wonder like if people listen in there? Not not too awful. Okay, but I don't take things that are bad. I don't say things about what he's a good. So. Mean of. Now, I'm just kidding. I think it's fine. I think. I think I think if they were listened to that, there was a, hey, Doug is pool that he didn't make a scene in our wedding, even give me. Exactly. All right. Just haven't texture cousin after this is done in the preemptive warning. Tone the the entire being communities here anyway. Okay. Don't you guys did that? That will. So much better as Jack, did everybody. Okay. So anyway, Doug, the Taryn thing. The reason I keep getting better. I keep getting back to that because it reminded me of an episode that we did a long time ago shortly after the fruitarian episode. Which has been as if it was the same as the fruit carrion of so, but we did have a hearing episode along time ago did. Yeah. Yep. No, I think you, no, we, we did because you were you were really into. I was really into. And I remember I even that I was not too sure about the long-term prospects of it, and that's kind of been my became, but I really enjoyed how I felt on that. And that was that was long time ago that was like three or four years ago now, but I always have fun to raise of it annoys one of these days. I'm gonna win. I'm gonna commit to doing it again. It's hard because you don't get hot dinners and that is that's really difficult. And if you're trying to really do it, it's like that when I was doing I was not having coffee in the morning. I wasn't having a beer at night, maybe once a week or something. I was doing that, but I was going to be really strict about it, but I've just, I don't know. I really loved it. I felt on it and I was to get back to that. But it reminded me we didn't episode after that. That was some consummate like why we love diet challenges, and that is the one that always comes up for me that I think, but I did others. I did. Joe Firmin's eat live plan. I did that for you know, three or four or five weeks. I don't remember how many I did before I was vegan, which was was the one he lives basically just extreme whole food plant based. I mean, it's I say, extreme. I just mean it's, it's. Hundred percent wholefood pip wholefood. No oil. There's no oils they, he really discourages added salty foods. So I was trying to not do that. Good. Definitely. No coffee. He says, he says, alcoholic, not something he'd recommend, but if you're gonna have a glass or two a week, then that's fine. Hey, definitely, no coffee, but you can't have alcohol? Yes. So that program is a lot of the marketing of to the targeting I think is as a weight loss program, and it's really really effective for that on my book tour. I remember it has meant so many people and it was kind of not really on my radar at that point. But then on that book tour, so many people came up during the little signing part, and they would say, I've been doing this for three or four months. I did live and I lost eighty pounds or something crazy. Maybe not that amount in three or four months, but maybe but just huge amounts weight loss and and it just sounded like a really healthy way to lose weight. I mean, some people who aren't familiar with this stuff would say, well, that's crazy that you would stop eating all animal products in oil. But anyway, it's just I, I think it's a really, it's for me. It is sort of the ideal. Like if I, if I could get myself to always eat a certain way, most of the time, that's the way it would be because I just think it just makes so much you just it's, he calls it Neutra -tarian. It's just lots of very nutrient rich planets and it's not. None of these new things at modern culture has added like coffee and alcohol. And so I did that one for a while and this is this is also a little bit of a side note, but I have as I think back alleys, things I remember without one like the salt is what made it so hard for me and seamless with like what was so what was very hard about the fraternity thing was not being able to drink coffee in the morning. That was one of the harder parts. And I wonder now like if you sort of lose the forest retriever of I did when I was doing these things and I would be so strict about following every single rule. Whereas now when I think about revisiting those things, I think I would relax the salt thing or relaxed, the no coffee in the morning thing. If I was trying brawl or fruitarian and maybe have a much much better chance of creating some sort of sustainable lifestyle with not not just the short term challenge that you reach a finish line and then you're done. Which of course is the point of these short-term challenges. So I've done a bunch these. This is how I actually got to be being vegan when I wanted to be being in for a while. I was vegetarian shortly after I started the blog actually wasn't quite vegetarian when I started the blog, I was studying fish. This was almost ten years ago and what vegetarian over the next two years kept wanting to be being, but never felt quite ready to do it and then find this at all, right. I'm gonna do vegan. I'm gonna. It's going to go for it because I'm close to ready, but I'm gonna do it as a thirty day challenge that way. I haven't out after thirty days if it's just not working for me. I don't feel like I failed or like I, you know, lied to everyone on my blog and said it was going to begin in them. Went back on that. I said, I'm going to do for thirty days and see how it goes. And that was so great for me because I got to experience what it felt like to be Egan by the way you could apply this to anything it doesn't have to be doesn't. It could be a subset of big. It could be wrong, could be tearing whatever you want. Got to experience it having the thirty day deadline, kept me going because after a week or something when I really wanted pizza with cheese on it, like I was used to having which was like the big obstacle for me. I, I didn't say no can never have pizza again because Biegel now I just had to say, I have to get through this month and then if I want when I'm not creating pizza in that moment, I can make a decision about, do I want to keep doing this or not? And as it turned out I got to the end of that challenge and I was counting down the days with three, two in one day left until I could have pizza again, like I was clearly. This thing taught me. I was not ready to be a hundred percent, and I decided, okay, that was good. Try. I'm not ready to do it. And I think I actually know I wrote a post about how thirty to challenge went in. Why for now I'm just happy being vegetarian when I did not expect to happen was that within, I don't know three or six months of ending that challenge. I did become begin a hundred percent and the way it worked, I think is that because that challenge it exposed me to what it felt like got me to be it for a full month. Then it didn't seem so although I wasn't ready for it, then I learned that I wasn't ready. It didn't seem like this crazy, horrible idea that was just such a such a major change from my current situation. And so I was able to gradually approach that over the next three or six months, not even really deliberately. I just sort of started producing the cheese eating because I was kind of used to nodding, jeez, still having my pizza once every two weeks or something. And then finally got the point where that was the only non digging thing that was left was the pizza, and I said, all right, I'm this far like wanna just be vegan now, and it was a little bit of a struggle for the first couple of times for a couple of times I wanted pizza and didn't have it, but that challenge even though it, I guess someone looking in could say, well, that was a failure because you made it thirty days and then you decided not to do it. Three. That was an affiliate at all. It felt like I did exactly what I said out to do, and ultimately resulted in me being ready to do this later. So I'm just such a huge fan of that approach and it. It comes up a lot in the we talked about how to change all the time. And I, I make those eager to being a fan of the small steps method, the idea that rather than you know something like a challenge where you just go vegan overnight and you do that indefinitely that you would approach it over over a longer time with smaller steps gradually removing it, maybe like you to Doug. I think he went vegan at home for awhile and and vegetarian out right. Yes, but it started with a seven day vegan challenge Lou about to challenge. Did. So it was, you know, full vegan seven days and then and then you know, didn't know what was gonna happen. Similar us like maybe I'll keep, maybe I won't in what in what I realized for myself was that I was totally cool doing at home, but it wasn't, you know, I didn't wasn't ready to take that on, you know, in the like at restaurants and everything like that night, I liked the the option to be able to go to restaurant and in have whatever, not not be limited to what the economics were yet until it's really interesting to me that in all the habitation stuff you read, this small steps is all the rage. Everyone talks about that. Charles, do Higgs book power of habit is about, you know, preserving you willpower. Not taking off big chunks at once that will make you fail and then give up. You don't really hear a lot about this about this challenge today, but interesting that in both of our stories about going vegan, a finite length challenge with the finish line on it, and one that we completed in them went back to not be vegan, played a role in in in conjunction with small steps, played a role in becoming beacon. So I think there's tremendous power in this sort of thing. And full disclosure to the reason I'm bringing up challenging is because we're doing a brand new one with the help it simple program, which is it's been around for awhile. People have heard us talk about health made simple, I think, which is our meal planning program. But anyway, we read on shit. We remade it. It's gonna be simple, two point. Oh, and what's really, really special about this is that it comes with an eight week challenge at the beginning so that things aren't over. I right now it is Thursday, September twenty seventh. So if you listen to this on Thursday or Friday or Saturday, you've only got a couple of days if you want to join that challenge right away. But honestly, if you start a couple of days after the challenge, it would not be the worst thing in the world because it it is a challenge, but the first two weeks of kind of gradual ramping up to the full health made simple program where you do it a hundred percent for a month. That's the sprint portion. So anyway, that that is there. I don't even know you around for that Doug off off top of my head to you. If you just go to Netflix dot com slash h. m. s. so for helping HMS dash. H. m. s. dash challenge video like it's a ship ATM. The ATM has challenge the HMS desk, John. Yep, that is. That's, that's not just the challenge that's full health Minton bull membership, which, like I said, we've we've totally revamped and overhauled, and by the way how the tipple is not is not extreme in the way we talk, we talk about this kind of book tour diet, where you don't really meals anymore. You just eat whatever foods are available when you forget about the concept of meal because it's way easier not to think of them. Help me till is not that, but it's definitely not big about like cooking, complicated recipes. That's the guy like that as a hobby. In fact, I love that as a hobby, but the way that I eat most of the time today, the most of my family end, the way my partners in the program cigarettes homes, family eats is not like that it is. It is much more assembling meals in kind of bringing together foods into a relatively simple meal. Like I wrote a blog post the guy and like we talked about a couple of weeks ago where we had broccoli, rice and beans, and there was no real meal. We just ate these foods in that was fun in that particular example, but held its avoids. There's more thought that goes into meals. They are good tasting recipes. It's really meant to be something that someone who's new at this diet could do without saying, wow, this food is horrible implant anyway. So that is that's all be able at Nomi dot dot com. Slash HMS desk challenge. If interested particularly interested in the eight week challenge, which like I said, has all this habit change stuff built into it, but is a thirty day sprint in the middle of it where you really doing it hundred percent. And all wraps up in time for the holidays. So I mean, that's clearly an ad for helping simple and the thing we had fruitarian and the challenge thing to talk about two leads into that, but I do want to talk more about the sprinting, like not really not anymore in the context of healthy tipple, but just the value for someone listening. Who might want to be changing anything, whether it's diet or fitness habit or something else. I just think it's such a great thing that provides. We didn't episode like two months ago that was about back to switch woman's go as about back to school stuff and just sort of a reset sort of thing. But I, I really, we mentioned several challenges in there. I distanced so much power in it when you have the finish line there because it kind of allows you to do things that that otherwise would be overwhelmingly large. But when you put that finish line on their, it gives you that. I don't wanna say it gives you an out. It just gives you a way to succeed. Without having changed your habit forever, which you know know if the point is to change your habit forever. I get that, but our examples of going vegan are good ones that should you can. You can quote unquote fail at making the change forever through your challenge. Even though you succeed in finishing your challenge and then ultimately still succeed because that just the challenge enabled you to experience it for awhile without having to deal with these thoughts. Like my favorite one is the example of I can never have cheeseburger. Again. I just remember when I first tried to become vegetarian without knowing anything about any of this stuff mean, I was just saying I was in college or grad school on, it's it. I don't want to animals anymore. So tomorrow I'm going to start not eating animals anymore, and it lasted like three days because I made it up to up to a bar and wanted a cheeseburger on the menu and just didn't have the skills tools to say like, what's a better way to think of this so that I don't just have two beers and then give in because I'm hungry and wanted, jeez, right. When I when I first heard had that little, I did it with a seven and ten day John was the beginning of my going vegetarian vase. And I just noticed like when I when I had a craving, it was like, okay, I do really want buffalo wings right now, but I realized that if I just wait for more days, I will have succeeded. And I won't have failed at this thing that I committed to doing. And then I can decide to do that if I want. And as it turned out when I got there, I said, okay, I'll make it thirty days because I feel good, and I love how this is going. And then. And then that just let eventually into all of this. So a really big fan of that. Yeah. I mean, I think that for me, the challenges. I mean, there are of course about, you know, succeeding within the challenge and kind of. Whatever, but. For me, it's it's all about changing perspective of 'cause you know the going vegan or eating whole foods or whatever your you know, big step big leap is can feel so enormous right in in scary. And but when you when you go through the challenge and you succeed in even if you go back to whatever your old die was or whatever your fitness have, it was even if you go back to it, you now like understand that. Okay. Well, you know, I mean, like I don't have to have cheese year or I don't have to cook with butter here, you know, or I, you know, I can run five miles because I just did it five days in a row. You know, whatever it is and and it changes that perspective. So that even if you're not doing it all the time you're making like little micro documents regularly, oftentimes you are and and then that becomes the norm and then you're that much closer to that really big thing. And that was what that was for veganism. Absolutely. What happened to me is I, you know, I was not. Ready to do it all the time. But I was like, you know, I can do it at home. It's like no big deal to do at home because you know, I'm pretty close closer than I thought it was anyway. Right. And then once you start doing a home, you're like, oh, I can go to this restaurant. They have really good vegan options, and that's no problem. And maybe the next night will go to a different restaurant that doesn't in might not be vegan, but just kind kinda like you just gradually start to to get to a point where that big step is no longer that big of a step. Right, right. Yeah. So I think we had the debate even with rebels. Then on this podcast, not to be he is sort of expressed a different opinion when he because their engine to program is all about the twenty eight day thing at the beginning. And this is when we had him on it was before we really had made the distinction, drought challenge versus small steps. And he's, he said, things like. You know what? We, what we like about our our twenty eight day thing is that it is. It lets you experience the results pretty quickly. Whereas if you approach it with small steps, you don't get results in the first two weeks or three weeks because you're barely changing anything, right? You might be just having changed breakfast or if you're if you're trying to start running. Maybe you're walking around the block and you started to jog for, you know, a quarter mile of that or something. It's very, very slow that small steps method. So it doesn't bring obvious visible results. It brings it brings the result that is invisible, which is kinda that you're, you're rewiring your brain starting to create a natural habit in your head, and that's really, really important, but it doesn't bring these extra result. And I think that's, that's one of the great things about challenges of that. They do give you that and they give you this. They're just more exciting, right? Small steps for all the great stuff that at us, it's really, really boring and it. I mean Xavier willpower. But like let's say you wanted to start running a marathon. Let's see. For me been a runner before I want to get back to it. If I think about just running, I don't know every day for one mile. Or even not that, let's say, let's say something like even smaller smarter first step might be, let's just run a mile three times a week. While that might be the first the best first week I could do. And then the next week I would I would make two miles per times a week. And then the next two that may be would start to become four or five days a week in the be a little bit more while that might be the very smartest. Best thing I can do to get myself back to say a year from now running an ultra marathon. That's kind of really boring, right? I mean, it's just it's just very hard to have that kind of business. But if instead I said, I'm going to start a challenge where I run every day on how far it is, but I'm just gonna run something every day. I just I don't know. It brings something with it where I, I can doesn't make arguments as to why that's not as intelligent as the other one. But perhaps it adds enough of a change in my life and a jolt that it does make me do because now let's say I've got to get my three mile run in every day or whenever my my minimum is and like I'm doing something right now. It's an actual challenge. So I realize a lot of this is sounding the opposite of the small steps approach, and that's because it is the opposite of it of it. But what I think is realizing that both of them can play a role. They both as integrated into into a single thing where maybe you try challenge. I like we did in our experiences and then a small steps thing after that, or maybe you're supposed to lead you up to a challenge where you find the gopher and you keep yourself a finish line where you can do it all the way for this law. Yeah. I mean, I guess what I was when I was trying to say not very well because I don't think it should consider stood restaurant say earlier, was that like that that jolt that sprint at the beginning, that challenge at the beginning led me to be. Able to do to take small steps to get to where I wanna be. Yeah, and but I think I think it took that like shock to the system, even though it was only seven days it took that to like beyond to be like, okay, I can do this now almost are taking the small steps to get there. Whereas before I would have put off those small steps than because the end result seems sort of unattainable. But I think if you, I think if you've actually tried it even if just for seven days, same with me when it did third, anything, it just shows you what it is like to live in that space and you. You can learn that even maybe you're not ready for it yet, but you understand now what is in. It's not this big thing that you can't even picture anymore. Exactly. So they so I like these sort of things. I think I think they are great. And I think really they can be applied in a ton of places. And I think you can use them intelligently with with a smaller steps approach to get what you want, but don't do just the the challenge that like don't don't just assume this means we're saying gopher hundred percent and forget to add a finish line at the end of it because that then you're just back to the unintelligent. Way that we all try to make changes. Unfortunately, which if you don't know anything about this, if you if you don't ever bother to listen to podcasts like this or read about it, the default way that we try to make changes is exactly what I did for years and years, which is you say, okay, tomorrow, changing everything. And that's final. And that's the new me and I'm flipping the switch. And now I'm I'm this new way and I'm just gonna use willpower because eventually it'll get you're used to it. And while there are some people for whom that works it in most cases, it does not. It breeds his perfectionist attitude, and then the very first live up. You have feels like suddenly the whole house of cards has Glatt because you failed and you're done and you give up, and then you go back to your old way. Right to know perfection. Don't like that. No perfection, unless it's just in the context of of a challenge, then you can be perfect until the deadlines. Temporarily? Yes. All right. Well, I like it me too, and I hope that I hope that some people will join the health made simple challenge because can be it can really fun and it's going to come. And I think it's it's a good kind of blend of the small steps in the the big job. Exactly. Hey, we'll more reminded that is not what been simple, but the nomad athlete book re is republished revised updated edition comes out Tober second, which is the day after our challenge challenged. And that's a Tuesday. If you go to know me, Nancy dot com, slash book dash info. You can. You can preorder that book with its with its new recipes. New cover new revised texts, new little snippets. I've added into it. Are you still you still on the cover with your shoes? Draped them. Until now I was one of my conditions. I must not be on the cover of this book. There is a, there's some sort of trail winter running facing away. So we don't know who he is kind of like the good book. We don't know who that who the mysteries g-get personnel. You don't know the mystery buff guy is every veggies magazine thought it was me. They said something like. You know what? I don't know what it was. What would I in my head when I remember being was men went to be met. Frazier knows do women want measure. Men went to be met Frazier. Here's how you can have a body like marriage. Average. It's not what it was being quite that like it wasn't that it was. I think it was sort of more like one about one body like macrey jer here's one hundred fifty right speeds to do it or something, but. And that was like the skinniest time, my life where where you would not want to buy like me. But I think they just thought that was me on the come round. That's. We'll let willing to cover. I. Although miss that missed that picture with your running shoes draped over his head. Let you have the copy of the book right in your house. Do have a copy so I could sign cover you bring your wall. You know, anytime I'm like, man, I kinda missed that mass mad Frazier. Yup. Yep. On weekends when you're thinking about me, just. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, all right. Well, this has been fun done. It has been this kind of upset about nothing. It's kind of in a soda, another thing and also with about something yet little bit of each. If we will have a new Mike for you for the next episode? Yes. I'm gonna make make an effort to get that so that we did. All right, good. Everybody in Tokyo next week.

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What To Do When Loved Ones Resent Your Success

The Ken Coleman Show

40:43 min | 2 years ago

What To Do When Loved Ones Resent Your Success

"Hey, podcasters kin here on today's show. I want you to focus in on the call from Kelsey who wanted to know if she was in a toxic environment. I walked her through how to determine if that is. In fact, the case plus more of your calls. It all starts right now. Fly from Nashville music city USA, you're joining a conversation about who you are what you were born to do where you want to be and how you can get there. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven is the number to jump in eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. We'll get to your calls. We'll materially. But I got some big news. Big big news on the Ken Coleman show excited about this. So before it takes about the news. Let me give you the context of why this news is big. And why it's important to you. So many times on the show. I'll talk to a caller, and we talk about the the the planning part of the journey. We call it research. The second stage into realizing the dream is who you're researching and building a plan a couple of the questions, and there's three specific questions. I talk about on a regular basis. The first one is what do you need to learn? So now that you know, where you want to go, and what that sweets. Spot is an in the role that you want to play. So you got to ask yourself. What do I need to learn in order to get there? What do I need to know what I need to learn who do I need to learn from? So this is the learning question L, you got to find out the best places to learn what you need arm. And then we look at well how much does that cost me? How much is it going to cost me based on your financial realities? Now, we look at the next and very important question. Which is how long is this going to take? So based on how much it's gonna cost me. Then I need to know. Okay. This is my financial reality. This is my relationship reality. I got kids. I got a fulltime job. I got a wife. There's only so much time. I have. So we look at the cost of money and the cost of time. And then we say okay based on those costs. This is a realistic. Timeline. To learn what I need to learn. And so I couldn't be more excited to announce that the place where I went to college liberty university has signed on with the Ken Coleman show. And the reason I'm so excited about is not just because I went to school there. And I had a great experience there love the people there, but because they're one of the leading universities in the country with their online options. Now, you can go to school in their fantastically gorgeous campus in central Virginia. But if that's not a reality. And for many of you, it's not you need something as simple as a certification or you may need law degree or you may need the medical degree. You may need a doctorate whatever it is all the way from certification to a doctorate liberty university offers it all online, and here's the best part. 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So go to liberty dot EDU slash kin. You'll see my ugly mug there on the page. They're going to give everything you need to know to kick the tires, please. Give them a call talk to them say, hey, I heard about you guys on Ken Coleman show and Ken says good things about you, folks. And a little nervous. I got a lot of questions. Will you help me the answers? They will help you and talk to them about your realities. This is my funny reality, and this is my schedule reality, if you will this is what's going on in life, and how much time you can put into this necessary learning, and they will help you create a good schedule when it comes to pain and participating liberty dot EDU slash kin. I'm so proud of this. And let me tell you this folks, my commitment to you as long as we do the show is I'm not going to sell my soul to just any advertiser. I want to promote people who. Who can do something that I cannot do for you? If Ramsey solutions. Can't do it for you. I want to bring in people who can do things for you that we cannot do an I cannot give you the education but liberty university can enter listen just kick the tires talk to make sure it's a good fit. I'm not saying they're perfect in you may not need it after I don't know. But I'm telling you I trust these people, and they really do have tons of options for you as it relates to learning. And then how you pay for it. And it's so easy because it's online it's two thousand nineteen you don't have to go to brick and mortar anymore. If you want to great, they got a great campus. But I'm telling you folks, I am not going to endorse somebody services unless I trust them. And unless I believe they can get you where you want to go. So liberty dot EDU slash Ken. That's liberty dot EDU slash kin. I'll be talking about them a lot going to be going up there doing my show at some point talk to their students. I'm really excited about this. Check out the website, liberty dot EDU slash kin. And tell them Ken Coleman sent you. All right. The phone number is eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. We started off with Matt who's on the line in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. Matt you're on the Ken Coleman show. Well, I'm living the dream, sir. How are you? I'm doing better than I deserve. Oh, I like it. We've got a Ramsey listener on the line. So how can I help today? I'm twenty three years old, and I've had some some past gigs. But I'm currently in the discovery phase. And I'm trying to find my passion. But I have particular set of skills that I found that. I'm really good at I can't find that one job. That's like that's the one. I wanna do. Okay. Now. This is a good statement that you've made here, and it's important for me to tell the rest of the audience. What I teach is that we all have a sweet spot where your top talents. What you do best and your top passions, which you love to do most intersect. But there's not just one job. So mad. I wanna free your mind right now before we start into this that we're not looking for one silver bullet job, there might be seven eight ten twelve thirteen fourteen twenty seven jobs in Matt's. Sweet spot. Do you understand that? Yes, sir. All right. So that'll free your mind a little bit. And so when anybody comes to me, and they say, I'm having a hard time coming up with passion work. I wanna move over into what you do know. And what's easier to identify about yourself? And that's talent. So I want you to tell me you think about all the things you do. Well, subjects that have come easy to you task that you've seen other people struggle with. But you've never struggled with I want you. Tell me the things you do. Best could be a strength. Could be a talent could be an actual skill talk to me. I'll definitely ills of would be revolving around woodworking with particular emphasis on hands on experience. I really enjoy working with my hands and kind of the nitty gritty of of more the worked on doing with know construction or painting or stuff like that. And then I'll probably say my my other strongest skill is just the this year, determination and willing to make the company in the best. I can just porn myself in the company not holding back. Okay. All right now. I don't know if you realize this map, but when you were talking about woodworking being one of your top skills. You went over into the passion side of things and said, can I just love work with my hands? I love getting down to the nitty gritty, so you like a detailed all consuming type of task that allows you to work with your hands. Is that sound right? Very right. Okay. All right. So look what you just did you've already given us a general idea. Now, we can get specific now or maybe it's gonna take you a little bit more time. But let's just talk about the the the actual work that would be fun, and let's just take off all limitations. And what I mean by that is I don't want you to start thinking about how you couldn't get there or what you'd have to do to get there. I just want you to dream for second. And if I could snap my fingers and give you a job all consuming working with your hands. And let's just play with woodworking. Let's just take the town of game. If I gave you a job where you working with wood, which allows you to be all consumed with your hands, creating something that made somebody's life better. What would that be all day long? Go. I guess we'd be doing what I'm doing right now except on this inexperienced in in the idea of where this is gonna take me. Okay. Stop. So where are you right now? What does that mean, I work in a small business shop, and I'm currently the lowest on the totem pole. But there's only three people. And so I'm I'm pretty good base. Knowledge of all the process that starts from building cabinets to installing cabinets to paint cabinets and finishing and. Okay. So you really so you really enjoy it is just you're the low man on the totem pole. So what you really want to know is what's the latter? Look like is that what's really bothering you. That's what that's why you call me today. Ken. I need a ladder. That shows me a great career is that correct? No, definitely true. Just to see word if I didn't pick with working specifically lighters would take me where. Yeah, that's fair. Right. Forget cabinets for a moment. Okay. All right to me cabinets are irrelevant. What tells me that? I think you're in your sweet spot. But you're meaning you're in the area of your sweet spot. You haven't reached your dream job yet? But you're in the area that you want to be in because you are using your hands and your ability to work with wood. And you are creating something every day. Yes. Or no. Yes. Definitely. All right, then. So let's dream some more tell me where you'd like to be five ten years from now, you're in you're working in wood or you're working with your hands. You're building crafting something is it owning your own business. Is that the ultimate dream? Tell me what it is. Drains that would be. No, limitations. You're just doing this all day every day, and you feel like you're stealing from somebody. What is it? It's on the tip of your tongue. You're holding back. Just say at blurted out. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm not sure because I felt that strongly about what a dream job would look like for me. All right. That's fine. So you have to start to dream a little bit. What would make your current job better? Tell me that right now. Tell me if the hours are a little more stable for sure. And if I knew what was coming instead of kind of plant living on the edge of this what I'm figuring out on the day to day basis. Okay. What does that mean you knew what was coming projects? So you had a good product. Listen. I mean, I don't be sorry. It might just be a change of working somewhere else telling you right now. I'm about ready to tell you. I think you're doing the right thing in the wrong place. And you're not the first caller that I've had to tell that to. So the good news is you're in the right space. Meaning you're working with would you you said woodworking something really good at and you love getting to do work with your hands. So let me tell you Matt you're over thinking the future the future for you is to do that work every day and to make a nice living doing it. So that when you go into work on Monday, you're not going. Oh, boy, you're going. Oh sweet. I'm building this today. Or I'm leading a crew. That's. Building this today. Does that sound right? Or is that sound wrong? That sounds really nice. Okay. So don't over think it here's what we know about you. The thing you do better than anything. Is working with your hands with wood? That's what you said. I didn't say that you also outlined that determination and just a dedication and diligence is one of your top strengths. So that's the kind of person I want build my cabinets, or that's the kind of person I want leading my framing crew building my house c Matt I don't know where you're headed. And you don't have to this moment. But here's what we do know you're going to be in your sweet spot if you are using your hands and dive in deep to create something. So that's what we know. So here's the problem, you you are confused because you're in a shop doing something you enjoy. But all the other circumstances, you don't enjoy poor leadership poor communication. I don't know. What it is. It doesn't matter. But think everybody on the on the radio can hear you going? Yeah. Actually, I think I think I'm in the wrong place, the answers you are. So here's what you're looking for stay put right now 'cause your big boy, and you can handle it. But you're looking. In for another opportunity Murphy's borough. And by the way in this economy, their everywhere, somebody is good as you are with hands. And would I don't care if you go join a framing crew for six months. Learn that side of construction go try to find another cabinet maker or go work in some other custom would outfit. I don't care because you're young and you need to be out there. You know in the space. You wanna be in learning all the different types of ways that you could use your hands to make a great living, and you're young enough to experiment, and then it's going to become very very clear, but you need to stay in woodworking. That's proximity. The proximity. Principle says in order to do what I want to do. It got to be around people that are doing it. And in places that it is happening. So stay in your industry, you're in the you're doing the right thing just in the wrong place. So let's find another company or another work opportunity for you to get into. And then say Syon ARA to these current guys. Eight four four seven four seven two. To five seven seven is number eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to Morgan who's on the line in Addison, Illinois Morgan you're on the Ken Coleman show. Hi pen. I was I have a question about my resume. I was looking at your resume template. And I've been kind of aiming poured my dream job for a few years. Now, I've been doing internships. Volunteer opportunities. Seasonal jobs just to gain experience and get no people. But it's left me was a lot of things to put on my resume. And if I only put most relevant than it looks like I have large gaps where I didn't really it was just internships and volunteering to. So in that time, but you know, what was there a when you were interning, and when you were volunteering was there a position that you were filling. Sometimes there wasn't some house there what I'm going to disagree with you. Sometimes there every time you did that you are filling a role. Did it have an official title? That's what you're saying. Sometimes it did sometimes it didn't. But I want you to talk about your experience in my resume template a set up to talk about your experience. So I want you to actually put in those internships. And I want you to put in the volunteering and put in the role that you played and the work that you did. Because in my template. I tell you specifically do that. In fact, I'm not a fan of titles for that very reason because sometimes someone will put a title in there. And and if I'm scanning a resume doesn't tell me much, but as you as you recall, I really push you on my template to put the relevant experience. This is exactly what I did this these were my day to day responsibility. So whether you're volunteering or you're an intern doesn't matter you played a unique and very specific and needed role. Yes. Or no. Morgan did you did you played a very important room? So described the role dinner saying what I'm saying? And they and that by the way that to me is relevant experience. So did I answer your question? Hello. All right. We've lost Morgan. I don't know what happened. But this is a good question. We get this a lot. I'm worried about gaps on my resume. Okay. Let me explain something. Gaps in the resume don't matter as much as you think you think if you show a two year gap, if they're looking at all that they go, oh, would you do or you sitting around eating bon-bons for two years? It's not the case you wanna put in relevant experience and listed out that way, and you could say in this in by the way, you're listening out if you want to in you're insecure about it put one line in it says with an asterik it, maybe it's italics and say in this two year gap I worked over here. This is just not as relevant as the other experience. So they know, oh, there's no gap. So if you're worried about space, which again, I really know what I'm talking about folks when I challenge you to get that resume on one page people people do not want to read, you know, a novel. They wanna get a snapshot of how you can help them win. So that's how that's how it works. Do exactly what I tell you to do. And I'm giving you confines. I'm giving you borders boundaries to force you. To make the best case about how you can help the company win eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven got a new article to share with you. Specifically about those view. They're going to be leaving college soon and heading into the workforce that and your calls next here on the Ken Coleman show. Hey, folks, I know how important it is. When you're looking for the right job, not to waste any time at a kid think of a better smarter way to get yourself out there, then working with my friends at ZipRecruiter. You know, what you wanna do work that you love? 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Or you heard me earlier, I'm ecstatic for those of you who say all right Ken in order for me to get from eight A B or eight A B to C two CD, you know, the whole deal where I want to go. I'm going to have to get some qualification in. It's going to require education because I always push you make sure make sure make sure for you start thinking about spending that money and spend that time that you really do need the additional education. The reality is some of you do some of your kids are thinking about well, do I go to college? So I go away. I mean, they don't have the money. They haven't got it all figured out. Please go to liberty dot EDU slash kin at some point today or this week and just check out my friends at liberty university where I went to school. I know him I love him. And I'm only going to tell you about folks that I trust that I know can help you. So no matter what you're thinking about whether it be a certification or a masters degree a doctorate they can allow you. You to go at your pace and at your budget because it's online game changer can stay in the day job and pursue the dream job. And take care of the learning that you need by just talking to my friends at liberty. Just talk to them get all your questions out. Give them a call again as a great information page. Liberty dot EDU slash Ken, liberty dot EDU slash canceled. Check it out. I'm really excited about helping people get the learning that they need from people that I trust. So really excited about some of the stuff. We've got some other things we're working on more people to help you. I I'm just so excited. I I can't I can't talk about can't talking about yet. All right. Let me tell you what I can't talk about. We just released a nother blog post at daveramsey dot com. The team came to me and said, hey, we need to put some stuff on Dave site. And we'll venture will be bringing this over to Ken Coleman dot com. But this is four daveramsey dot com. Slash blog is where this is. And this is how to get a job after college. You know, this is a terrifying thing for a lot of young people coming out of college. It just seems so intimidating. They feel this natural pressure. And so I have written a blog post takes ten minutes to read, and there are simple and effective steps that I give. So if you've got a college grad coming, and you've got somebody like that in your house, or, you know, go to daveramsey dot com slash blog and just copy the link and send it to them. This is going to help a lot of people so excited about that sharing that as well. And then real quick boy hitting a lot of thank yous for this. The five minute insurance coverage checkups takes five minutes, and it's easy to do. And this is about insurance because you don't want life curve balls, and you know, potholes in the road if you will to knock you back financially says you can't pursue the dream. So we're talking about life insurance health insurance auto insurance homeowners. Renter's identity theft protection long term care insurance umbrella insurance, even your credit report getting that cleaned up and your will. So all of these things need to change from time to time based on where you're at in your life. It's five minutes textile checkup two three three seventy nine checkup. Two three three seventy nine techs checkup. Two three three seven eight nine and you'll get a link from us takes a five minutes. And it'll help you with your financial plan. Remember, I've seen so many dreams sidelined and never return to because of unexpected financial problems. This all all the stuff matters, folks. It's not just all right? I'm on the yellow brick road. And so, you know, I'm hearing birds and songs and skipping along. And no problems are coming my way because I'm on the path to my purpose. No, no, no does not work that way. All right. Let's get back to the calls here. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to Kelsey who's online in Wichita, Kansas. Kelsey on the Ken Coleman show. Oh, I'm so excited at the opportunity to talk with you. Thanks for taking my call. I'm happy to you know, I'm excited to talk to you. You just have some juice, and I like it. Well, yeah. Thank you. I would love your advice next for teeth on win a work environment is too toxic. When when it's time to leave. Okay. So tell me in your most specific terms how you think your current environment is toxic described. The toxicity. I would compare it to being very similar to be an abusive relationship, maybe a loved one or a spouse where it gets so bad, you wanna leave and then they throw money at you or raises and it's good for a little while. And then it it's just a cycle. So what's have told me? What what how is it abusive to you personally? Sure, it's very controlling. I've been marketing so a lot of graphic design and strategy is put behind it, and very our CEO is very very hands on and then requiring more than fifty hours a week a lot of the time. But then throwing you know, really great raises at you. I mean between fifteen and twenty percent when he knows you're about to leave. But again, and again, I want to answer you honestly, doesn't sound like it's a very Kofi environment because you feel pressured to work more hours than you wanna work. But what else is going on? I didn't hear anything of him being a micromanager. Tell me tell me something else. What else? What else? Do I need to know that makes this toxic because right now. I don't hear the abuse part. Sure. Okay. Well, I guess for me being in a creative position. A lot of the creativity is taken away from me. And maybe that's where from. Yeah. Because you feel like wait a second. You're telling me exactly how to do it as opposed to me listening to the client listening to you. And then coming up with what I think works in allowing me to create and you're not allowed to create in that sapping your energy. Down the head. Okay. Well, I would say that toxic. I'll that I'm good. I just wanted to make sure jenner's see what I'm saying. Because I never want to give blanket advice on something until I have a good sense of the the true environment, you're dealing with. And as a creative you are being stifled. It's like he's throwing a blanket or she's throwing a blanket over top of you. And you're ready to leave. How many times if you wanted to leave ballpark? Every three months since I've worked there for about almost three years. How many raises as you have you gotten out of that? Promotions did the promotion more money. Yes. It's been about twenty five thousand dollar increase starting from three years ago. So I'm just gonna take a guess that you know, who's to blame who's to blame in this situation yet, the leader of the owner of the business the company, no. Do you? You you have accepted his behavior. You have told him that his behavior is acceptable as long as he throws money and promotion at you. True. You're letting him beat you up a little bit. And as long as he brings home roses and some jewelry us day. We are. So right. I'm using your analogy. I am not making light of domestic abuse. But I'm I'm using your analogy of abusive relationship. And so the it obviously, he's being he's not being a great leader. But in this situation, this is not an abusive marriage. This is a situation where you can walk at any time, and you have wanted to. But every time he throws more money at you. And a promotion you you allow your lizard brain to go. Well, this is stupid if I walk away from a raise and a promotion as that sound about right. Yes. So Kelsey, I am not picking on you. Okay. But I put you to the test. I thought you were going to thought you're going to figure it out. But this is all on you. Now, he does this guy doesn't own you. You're right. You're absolutely right moon way. And let me tell you something else. There might be a touch of fear in you to to leave because you go. Well, it's not great here. But at least I know that I got a place to go. And he's gonna keep throwing raises at me. Once I start showing my nerves, or whatever, you know. And I think for you, you gotta know that you can go out and make just as much money if not more, and I believe more, but you're going to have to find a better place to step into. So I stay where you are right now because you're big girl, and you've been able to put up with the so far, but I would be actively looking to leave. So the answer is you need to get out of that environment. It's not helping you at all. You want to you on enjoy your work? Don't you? I do so badly. Yes. How exciting what it be to actually create something as a designer that that was truly collaborative between you and the customer, whatever the situation is. And you've got a leader doing nothing other than great job Kelsey white ago. This is good work. How would that feel? I don't think anything can be better than would you? Please go do that. Please for you for me. It's not for me. I want you to do it for you. Because you deserve it. Kelsey. All right. Appreciate you. You got the you got the, hey, folks. Listen. A lot of the situations that we stay in. It's not someone else's fault. It is our fault. Let me say it again. This is America. If you're in a bad situation that you continue to stay in. I'm not saying you are responsible for and the source of the bad situation. But it is your fault. If you stay there get out of dodge. Get out. No big giant asterik for second. Don't leave today unless you really are in some type of crazy, you know, abusive situation, then get out of there and call the police outside of that hang tough. Hang tight you've stayed in there this long. It's your Dagenham fault. You're miserable not mine or anybody else's. So do what you gotta do to stay there. So that you can step out of this current situation that you don't like where you're stuck and into a new situation. Don't just Geronimo jump and less financially. You're able to do. So those would be my two caveats. All right. Oh, this is fun setting people free eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to Joel is on the line. In Utica, New York. Joel you're on the Ken Coleman show. How are you today? I'm living the dream, Joel. How are you? I'm doing pretty good any. So why I'm calling you today is, you know, I'm I'm a firm believer. I'm living in my sweet spot right now. And you know, all those people that were around me that supported me to where I am right now. We're all seeming to be the folks that now I feel like resent me. And if turned a blind eye to me because you know, I'm in a position of life where they haven't reached yet. And it's just it's a little disturbing to me. And I don't know maybe it's me thinking of it. Or if it's, you know, maybe it's the other folks, I'm not sure what do you mean by that? Last sentence, you thinking of it or maybe what what does that mean? Is it is it in my own head is it because you know, is is is my own head making me think these things or is it these people literally don't reach out to me anymore. There's no more conversations there. Okay. Let me ask you this. Are you are you reaching out to these people that you're you have in your you reach out, and they don't they don't return your calls. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. What do they return your calls or not? No, not at. All. Okay. So so that's not in your head. If you are trying to engage with these people that you have in your head that you know, you're talking about and they're not engaging then that's not in your head. That's that's real. They're they're not engaging. The question is why has there been any type of friction? Have you changed who you are to them? No, absolutely not. No, I'm I feel I'm still the same person. Yeah. I've just reached that I've reached that goal that they've yet to reach which I is success to live the dream. I lived the dream every day. I let me ask you this. Was there a point in time where this group of people that you're you're identifying that you rain with them like up in a pack, and at some point you had to pull yourself out of the pack or spend less time with them in order to get where you are now. Yes. Okay. So and let me ask you this as you begin to pull yourself out of that pack, and you had to sacrifice your time with them in order to do what you needed to do to get where you are. Now did was that. When all this started to happen when they started to pull back from you and resent you make little statements here. And they're not return your calls is that what it all started to happen. Yes, sir. Okay. Well, then good news jolts not in your head. You're not crazy. You're not seeing things you are witnessing what I talked about. I think it was a couple of shows ago. I talked to guy called in and he and his wife want to move to California. So she could pursue her dream, and he's in his dream job and can transfer to down and he said all their family or mad at him. Because they're going to move to do what they believe they're supposed to do in the families mad at him. He was honor stand. I said I understand I tell you exactly what's going on. It has nothing to do if you move across country, and then not be able to see you head is hit has everything to do with it. When you leave. It is a reminder that you left to pursue your dream. And it puts their on reached dream right in front of their face. And all of a sudden, they resent you. I'm stepping on toes today. Joel. Hey, joel. Here's what I know. Here's what I know. I do believe those friends care for you. But I believe that they are. Hurting when they see you. They took you sacrificing your time with them to be who you are supposed to be. They took it personal. They have not chasing their own dreams, you identified that not me you see that. And what happens is they resent you because you represent what they have failed to do what they are scared to do. And you can't worry about that. Does it hurt? You absolutely. Yeah. But is it up to you to fix that? Or is it up to them? That's the question. No, come on, man. It's not up to you. You can't live. Their life is hard enough to live your life is hard enough to pursue your dream. How in the world are you going to live there and pursue? There's for them. Right. Joel it's time to get some other friends. Yes, sir. Preach preach here you preach regularly about you. You know, you gotta run with the pack of like minded people. You know what I mean? But it seems all those like minded people are the ones that are, you know, the ones that pack that Iran, where they're, you know, I feel like I don't have a pack more. Well, then you probably the point the point is for you to go. Find people who are on purpose. And you got to you got to put yourself out there and start hanging around people that have the same values as you don't act like you're the only guy in the world has the values that you have you can find new friends, and you need to go find a pack because if you don't Joel you're gonna end up walking back to those guys, and they're gonna pull you down. Here's what's going on. You're out running right now, you're jogging around the neighborhood on a nice ten minute mile pace, you're Rockin and they're sitting around and lawn. Chairs drinking beer. That's what it is. That's exactly what your life is like compared to theirs. Sure, you need to go. You need to go. Find other guys like jogging. Unlike running a good pace in life, and they're on purpose. And you start hanging around those guys, and they're gonna lift you and you'll forget those guys pretty darn soon. All right. I know you're hurting Joel. But this is about do you want to do which you were created to do. I do every day. I know you do you want to keep doing it? What do you want more? Do you want to injure your life, regretting that you didn't go for it because your buddies or do you want to look back and say I wish that those guys would have made the journey with me. But I'm so glad that I did what I was called to do. How do you want to end up? Absolutely. The latter half for sure all right, go find you some people that are going to lift you. That are going to push you. And that are going to celebrate with you gotta get jealous. I tell you some. I got a phone call last night at oh, I don't know seven thirty. And it was from best pal Bill. I talk about Bill on the show all the time. You know, my buddy called the told me these forty seven years old. I'm forty four. He's a millionaire. I'm living the dream. He's living the dream. You know, what he called the told me that he just whooped some guy next door it ping pong? Now, you're going. Why are you telling me that? Because he called his best Powell to say, I just smoked my neighbor and ping pong. And it feels really really good. I forgot how good at ping pong. I was and I laughed we had fun with it. We talked about his routine technique. I said boy, I haven't played ping pong forever. You know, we started talking about. But you know, here's the point. You ought to have friends that call you over the smallest things to celebrate. You know, why Bill called me to tell me that? Because if he told his wife and his wife's amazing. But if he told her she'd kind of look at him like, but he called a guy that he knows is going to celebrating no matter how small the victory is. Are you hearing me folks, you need to have some bills in your life? So that you could call them and go, hey, I just spoke some big bog. I'm pretty awesome. He goes. And I say what I dude way to go. How's that feel and we broke down his pingpong victory? Are we slight bit crazy? Yes. But we're crazy about each other. We're going to celebrate. We're gonna lift each of that means in the serious stuff. In the small stuff. Today's quote comes from Henry Kaiser, he said the evidence is overwhelming that you cannot begin to achieve your best. Unless you set some aim in life. So today's question what are you aiming for? Our time is almost up. But before I let you go you matter, and you do have what it takes. Thank you so much for joining the conversation until next time. This is the Ken Coleman show press on. Hey, folks, I want you to check out our other Ramsey solutions podcasts such as the entree leadership podcast with me. Hey, folks, Ken Coleman here with the entree leadership podcast. 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Uncle Nearest: The Whiskey Making History

MarketFoolery

28:32 min | 6 months ago

Uncle Nearest: The Whiskey Making History

"It's Wednesday August fifth. Market foolery I'm Chris Hill thanks for listening. Let me start with a quick programming note it is a short week here at market foolery as I said on Monday I'm actually away this week. So this is going to be the last episode for this week, and if you're thinking, Hey, what, what am I supposed to do on? Thursday. What about? Industry Focus. What about rule breaker investing with David Garner? What about Motley? Fool answers closing in on its three hundred episode of all time. By all means if you haven't already check out some of the other podcasts for the Motley fool. With that out of the way, let me talk about today's episode and I'll start here. You don't have to be a whiskey drinker to know the name Jack Daniels. You don't even need to be someone who drinks alcohol of any kind. To know the name Jack. Daniels. It's an iconic American brand. And the history of that brand has been in my mind enriched because of the relatively recent discovery of a man known as uncle nearest. The story is much better told by fawn weaver she is an investor and entrepreneur. She's written a couple of bestselling books about having a happy marriage and when she saw a news story about uncle nearest, it's set her on a pass to her current job. As CEO the fastest growing. Whiskey. Company. In America. I got the chance to talk with her a couple of weeks ago. So here's that conversation starting with fawn talking about where she was when she saw a story in the New, York Times about uncle nearest. Singapore and it was on the cover of the New York Times International Edition journalists clear is in had written a piece that he describes a wonderfully as a lob meaning. There was only so much information. He was able able to gather to one trip to Lynchburg and then spending time trying to do this work from New York and it became very clear. To him that the story needed to be told, but he wasn't going to have the time resources to really dive into the story and I have to tell you. He was right because I had the higher. It gets eighteen nineteen archaeologist junior historians, conservators, and and literally pull documents from six different states, thousands and thousands of documents to really be able to. Not just piece the story together, but to be able to prove the story, but I will tell you what brought me to Lynchburg with not this story about whisky. It was not this story about Jack Daniel as a grown man in Lynchburg they called him Jack and the most respected men that would have walked down the street during that time were named. Uncle Jack an uncle nearest. So Nathan Green. We know that as his legal name. But what we also know is he wasn't enslavement and formerly enslaved people. A lot of times following slavery chose to go by a different name and that had to do with the fact that a lot of them were named after their slave owners or their slave owners children. The the largest slave owner in this area was named. Nathan. And Yes. And so you you kind of look at it and say, all right. There is a really good chance that he did not want. The same name is Nathan Bedford Forrest. Who was trading over thirty thousand slaves year here, and so there is a really good chance. But what we know is when the nearest uncle Jack walked through town, it was nothing but respect and as I began diving through this story, I, write books as you mentioned about love I don't intend on changing that people keep asking me to write books on business and like at about forty five I can refer you to I love them all but what I can't refer you to books on love written by powerful minute. By myself. and. But what really drew me to this story? Where two things the first is, if you look at that original New York Times article, there is a photo that was prominent in be article itself. It was a picture of Jack Daniel with his crew. It's the only known picture that Jack Ever took with his crew. But if you look closely at the photo, people notice that there's an African American to his right which in and of itself taken an early nineteen hundreds about nineteen hundred four that already would have been extraordinary. But if you really zoom in on that photo and you look, you'll notice that Jack Daniels, the most famous American whiskey maker of all time. Has Ceded the center position to the Black Man? That is astounding. Jack is off center near screen. Son is WHO's at the center of this picture with his crew, and so I knew that this story had to have been about more than just an African American taught Jack Daniel you don't see senator position to someone son if all they were to you as a teacher in. So that was the first thing that drew me in the. Second thing that drew me in is I've been bought Jack Daniels biography nineteen, sixty seven written at the height of the civil rights era. So if you know anything about what was going on here in sixty, five, sixty six when it was being written and sixty seven when it was published, it was not a pretty time and in civil rights history especially in the south. And so you have this biography written by a white reporter Tuscaloosa Alabama that comes to town called Lynchburg genesee to write the authoritative biography on the most famous white whiskey maker. And includes nearest green and his boys, fifty times and a biography this thick. Every single person who? The biographer was speaking to were Jack's nephew who took over the distillery and then his nephew in his children jacks, great nephews, the four of them that took over after their father and so you're talking to the people who knew Jack, the best who knew him the most and they included nearest in his boys more times than Jackson family. So what that said to me was this story was not just about whisky or whisky maker. This story was in part about an African American elder and a white orphan who not only he taught but who developed this? Incredible relationship and mentor ship. But then following the civil war Jad Daniel decided to take the distiller he had been working at alongside nearest green to buy that distillery to rename it Jack Daniel distillery and he asks her nearest to be his first master distiller and so the story I was chasing when I came to Lynchburg was the story of love and it's the story I found when I got here. So at what point in this process because I know. You win into this and pretty quickly in the process you're thinking I'm writing another book about love. It's just different from what I've written before at what point in that process do you decide? To put the book idea aside for the moment and say actually I think I wanNA start a distillery. Didn't put the book idea side I was very much. So writing it but the home on our bottle anymore when he looks at an Oakland responded, there's a home on there that is the home where Jack Daniel grew up. That home sits on the three hundred thirteen Acre property that we own where the original distillery number seven in district number four sat and near. Green, is the only known master distiller for distillery number seven in. So you have this property that I've been in town for less than an hour at the library doing research before Jack Daniel's eldest descendant walks through the door and offers her help because it very quickly on. Word. Got Around The New York Times bestselling. Black woman. From Los Angeles wasn't down and doing in writing on this story of this enslaved man teaching Jonah you have to remember you go back to two thousand sixteen. If you look at any of the articles that were written after clay's piece Claes piece was not negative in the lease Claes p simply said until now we have known a white preacher Distiller as Jack's teacher however. It's more likely that it was actually this African American. This enslaved man who worked on the property of this preacher alongside Jack Daniels who also was working as a chore boy and so if you think about it if I show up in town, why would you think a black woman from Los Angeles was looking for a story of love I mean, it just doesn't even seem plausible but that is why I was there and so the eldest descendent get call to the library. Once a librarian calls and says, Hey, there's somebody who are doing research on your. And she comes down and I could see in her eyes I could see her face in for very good reason concert. And I looked her in the eyes and I said I am not here to harm your family's legacy I. believe that the press and social media have this story wrong and I believe that in I listed all the reasons I believe that most of it coming from Jackson biography is a if he wanted to hide a person or steal a recipe or This is the worst place to document all that. And and so I told his his eldest descendant I said listen if I do the research and I discovered Jack is not who I believe. He is an by discover that this was not a story of love honor and respect of as I believe that it is. Someone will come down here and pull the same exact research as me nothing that happens in the dark ever stays in the dark always comes to like I said however. You have my word it will not be written by me. That is not why I'm here and so she said to me in that case, I want to help you and she pulls out her cell phone and she gives me the names and numbers of near creeds to send X.. They grew up together they eight around the dinner table together. They were still friends and the last thing she said after giving me names and numbers and offering to help before she leaves at a library. She said, Hey, you know that harm that you read about ejects biography you realize it's for sale. Of course I, did not why would I think property one, hundred, fifty years with a house still standing? No, absolutely not I didn't know it was for sale and so the long the the long answer to your short question is the person who she'd been connected me with to take me to the home was her cousin sharing more sharing more had been in the family business, her entire life and when she retired from the Family Business Jack Daniel distillery after thirty one years she was head of whiskey operation. And as we began diving more and more into this research, I was sharing with them information I found out about their family which matched the story that I believed. I was going to find here in Lynchburg. Then one day she says to me you know if you ever decide to honor nearest with the bottle I will come out of retirement to make sure you get it right And not long after that I was meeting with about forty or fifty of near assist ascendance and I said, what is the one thing you think should happen in order to honor your ancestor and they said, we think that his name should be on a bottle. He deserves to have his own bottle and I literally called Sherry after that meeting and said, listen if you will come out of retirement I will raise the money and that's how I got started. It's amazing. Impart because of the reaction from. The people that if you're just looking at it. If you're looking at this in terms of sides you can look at there's the Jack Daniels side there are the people on that side. And the reaction. Is Amazing for a couple of reasons but one of them is it reminds me of in the early nineteen nineties when the small batch Bourbon. Craze for lack of a better term started to get going you booker no, the grandson of Jim Beam. Jim Beam really starting with their small batch bourbons. There was this sense that all of the distilleries in Kentucky while they compete with one another they were all also all working together. There was a collegiality about this endeavor because they saw it as a way to grow the segment, and that was one of the things I was thinking when I was reading about the reaction of from the the Jack, some of the folks on the Jack Daniels side of this equation. because. They saw it as a way to. Sort of. Embrace. The history you know because let's face it. There's there's a version of this story where that's not the reaction. There's a version of this story where the librarian calls and. Someone comes into the library to cause trouble of some sort or absolutely, and and the thing that I love about this story. The most is beside the fact that it's absolutely true is the only reason we know who nearest grain is people give me so much credit and I always try to shift that credit because yes, I did the digging, but you have to understand that the only reason we know near Green was is because Jack took the time to honor him while Jack was alive and then Jackson nephew limb to time to continue honoring nearest and his children when he was alive in every generation. So that's the only reason that we know it isn't that I was able to just dig dig dig and find near screen was the first master distiller and show a document that no one had seen. They had gone record enough times that it was very clear. They want it to make sure people knew who was Jackson's master distiller who taught him was his mentor that's extraordinary because if you go up to the folks in Kentucky God bless him I love all of them I work side by side with them but they all had African. Americans at distilleries in the beginning. Named one of. Them. So the only reason that we're able to honor nearest green as the first African American master the Stiller is because Jack. And I think that's remarkable. To. Talk a little bit about business that you have started and Start with where we are right now in this pandemic with covid nineteen. How are your employees holding up and what has it done to the production side of Your Business? Are Laser holding up fantastic on the production side we ramped up. React we have been selling like crazy and so there is there is no time to slow that process down and so we lay down anywhere between four and seven thousand barrels a year that is not changing this year because of how crazy it is out there and our team you know we made a decision very early on and we began having weekly video calls with the entire company and those were really you could have just called them hope calls the entire conversation. We never talked about what challenges we're going on in the field. What challenges were in our industry we didn't care. The only thing that we talked about was our ability to not lose heart in our ability to overcome any challenge and that we had the team to do and the team believed it one hundred percent in. So even though we were from home shelter in place two months straight not one person left the house unless they were going to the grocery store I did not allow one person into the field during that period of time, and when we closed out each the Q. One and. Q Two when we close out you one because we on premise basically shut down in March of. This year. So on premise, the restaurant, the bars, and so when you have something like that happened you automatically fake my this is about to start tanking and when we close out hugh to one, it was our six quarter in a row of triple digit gains. I don't know many industries where you can just go over quarter triple digit games and so I remember. That earnings report going out to our investors in them going. Oh boy I guess that's GonNa stop for Q to like. We're not going to be able to see this again in q two was our seventh quarter in a row, a triple digit gains, and so I think the thing that we have to understand about American whiskey is it as a native spirit and it is what people are going to. Drink weather higher low good times or bad times, and if we embrace that which we have in understand that, yes, who's drinking may change over this period of time but they're still somebody who's GONNA WANNA drink. American. Risky been you're able to just keep giving. So I I can say that we have pivoted as an industry multiple times during this corona virus this industry is solid and it's doing incredibly well. It's amazing growth and I should point out. For those watching and listening. Uncle nears the fastest growing independent whisky brand in US history. All the more impressive to me because of the aging process in a good vodka takes a lot less time to make than good whiskey. which leads me to this. When you decide to go down the avenue of starting distillery honoring uncle nearest by putting him on a bottle. was there any pushback from people you went to talk to or? Was the story so great that you were beating off investors with a stick. Oh Yeah beating off investors stick Fisher still still still the to this day, and so folks will ask me how do I set my valuation because I get so many incoming investor requests in. So seed series, I set evaluation and said, this is where we are and series as series be safe and after. When I get incoming I'd say this is my next number when I hit that number election. No then I'll open up another round, and so we've done a little different than I. Think most the interesting thing about coming into this industry is one that people may or may not expect is the greatest challenge that I would stay in my team faced is I hire an executive team of all women Now they're the best of the best in their fields and I wasn't looking for women, it just so happens that the best of the best for this brand were all women and I remember my head on my ex VP of global sales and my head of whiskey operations sharing more in Cage Jerkins when we were beginning this, we all had a conversation one day and realized we were having the exact same problem and that problem was we couldn't get calls back. So we knew that we needed to be able to source a whiskey in Tennessee that was aged that was still being made the way that mere made it. There were only so many that were doing that we were going to need to buy bottles and corks and and have a co packer and all the rest of the stuff before we had our own distillery, we knew we needed help we couldn't get any calls back. So I call my husband who's an executive vice president Sony Pictures. So all you have to do is Google and know he's busy I called him and said they so we have just. Discovered that we're getting no phone calls back and everyone recalling calling our men were thinking it may be a coincidence, but could you just test this theory out for me and so we all set him the names in the numbers of the people along with a brief synopsis of what we needed him to know before calling that person and in every single instance people that we have been waiting for calls back for weeks got back to them in five minutes or took the call and calls would by the end of it would go hey, using beer you wanna meet at a at a bar you golf. Course and so for I know a lot of women that's bothersome for me. I looked at it as less work because. If I could turn over some of these calls him and you could make a very quick phone call and get it done that allows me to focus on other things and so for the first year and a half, maybe two years. If you look at any interview that I ever did, you will never see me references the CEO of uncle nearest I'm the chief historian. I'm never people thought he was the CEO for the first year guys. All you have to do is google to no, he wasn't. I mean, could get on link to do a little bit of homework. But in work it worked and he calls me one day and he says Bape we're REMINGTON still. Going to come back to the business side in just a second I would be remiss if I did not ask this question and I'm I'm not trying to intrude in your personal life, but because you have written a couple of bestselling books on having a happy marriage. What was the reaction from your husband? When as I read it in one article You had a birthday coming up. And he said, I think I wanNA take us to Paris because we like to travel around the world and you said I have an idea. Let's go to Lynchburg Tennessee instead. He was not happy about the fortieth birthday and I tease him that if something had happened to us here, then nobody would have known where to find us because he was so embarrassed that I had chosen for my fortieth birthday to go to a little town called Lynchburg Tennessee that he told everyone he was taking me bourbon tasting. So everyone would have been looking for us in Kentucky. But no I mean he's an African American man. He's six foot four. He is a you know a big guide. The last place he wants to go was a town look Lynch in the day I think it's fair and in so no, he was not interested in he ran through every city that he knew I loved around the world and finally after weeks of this, he says, okay, I got it I know you've been wanting to go to Prague you've not been to project everywhere else I bid and I said you're I I would love to. Do that for my fortieth birthday but let's go by way of Lynchburg. And by. My husband employs lobbyists for living. That's a part of his job, and he says, you know if I can just employees you as a lobbyist boy when I get a lot done because I lobbied to no end and so what I wanted for my fortieth birthday is what I got and that was to chase this story even if only four days, which was what he said was the limit we will go four days and then we're leaving but I have to tell you once we got here and he met the people here and they were amazing wonderful people in the way that things lined up. So quickly, he was absolutely certain very early on that. This was about more than whiskey and that for whatever reason I had been the one chosen to tell this story and so it was not difficult at all. After that point I mean we bought the farm on the second day we were here. So yeah. Wasn't hard. The business of Whiskey is very different from the time of Jack Daniels. There are corporations, they're public companies Diaz Brown. Forman. Which owns Jack Daniels Constellation brands. What is something? Every investor should know before they buy shares of spirits company. You know I think you really need to know the leadership and I. Don't think that's any different from any industry is I learned very early on by losing several million dollars to not invest in a brand or a overall industry you invest in the person who is leading that Brandon. So you have to really look at who is leading Biaggio who was leading. Brown former loss in widening over there, and then you have to look at their track record of leadership and that will tell you all you need to know because in a moment like this with corona virus, we've seen a lot of people make some pretty big mistakes, and if you look into our industry, I think we have been really really steady overall. You've not seen too many make major decisions now for craft distilleries which we technically fall within. I'd say a lot of them made mistakes. The moment things started going bad. They began laying off and furloughing very quickly will then that makes it very difficult to get your people fired up and ready to go to the moment shelter in place in, and so those leaders who decided to stick with their employees and say listen we are not going to make permanent decisions for temporary problem. Those are the ones that I would back. What to the extent that you have a crystal ball? What does the next year or two? For uncle nearest distillery. Assuming an eighth consecutive quarter of triple digit growth is. Ninety days away but. where, where do you want to take this distillery? People who get into the beverage business whether it is alcohol whether it's beer wine. Certainly not alcoholic beverages and their goal is their end goal is to sell to someone enormous Coke Pepsi or a Constellation Brands Diaz show that sort of thing. What are the next couple of years look like for Ankle? Nearest Yet my goal was to not to sell to any of the big guys. It is the exact opposite of that. In part of the reason is is number one. There has never been an African American to lead a major spirit brand period I would be foolish to come in and make history and to be the first and then turn it over to one of the big guys. Because in case you hadn't noticed all the big guys are are white male in. So then we no longer have. Someone in that in that place. But for openers, you mentioned it earlier the fastest growing independent American whiskey brand. In the US history I'm not content with being the fastest going American whiskey brand. I want to be the fastest growing American premium spirit of all time and the only one who has beat at this point in their lifespan is cost Amigos that's who we're going after not because they're not fantastic but because they're Tequila in American, whiskey is the native spirit and that is who should have the record in America, and that's what we're gonNA. Do. Last question before I, let you go and I appreciate your time because I can only guess at how busy you are particularly during this time. I have been to the nearest website I have a bottle of the eighteen fifty six on its way to my home. How would you recommend I enjoyed Oh Gosh. It depends use you already said that you love whisky. Right. Okay well, uncle near is be most awarded American whiskey of Twenty nineteen. So far of twenty twenty, I say enjoy it neat because the world has given it every double gold there is the world's best best in whiskey if you go across the spectrum and just look for what we ranked Best Best Best, best ninety talk awards in in to use so I'd say drink at neat. It's how I drink. Since I had that conversation with fun weaver the bottle did arrive and I cannot recommend it highly enough. If. You're not a whiskey drinker. This is one of those whiskies that makes a great gift for someone in your life who is a whiskey drinker. In part because. There's an amazing story that's part of it. If you want to learn more, just go to uncle nearest dot com. As always people on the program may have interest in the stock and talk about the Motley. Fool may have formal recommendations for our. BUYER SELL STOCKS BE SELLING HERE That's GONNA. Do It for this edition of Market for Louis? The. Show is mixed by Dan Buoyed. I'm Chris Hill thanks for listening. We'll be back on Monday.

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S13E20  Bananas on board

Ubuntu Podcast

44:02 min | 6 months ago

S13E20 Bananas on board

"Thursday hello and welcome back to season 13 episode 20 of the urban to podcast today. We are going to be discussing the proliferation of recent Urban two remixes. We took some gooey love and all your wonderful feedback and joining me this week as ever our Mark. Hello. Hello. How are you? I'm a bit warm, but overall wage All Things Considered. I'm doing quite well. Yes, it is a bit warm and Alan how are you and are you warm? I am tickety-boo and I am warm bath. So we are agreed in the south of England. It is somewhat warm at the moment. I'm expecting that bottle of club-mate on your windowsill to Bubble Up and boil over at some point with the Sun spin there for four years now. Oh my God, cuz it tastes awful innuendo drink it now. It's is proper. It's Club up into mountain and I was given this a new boo Khan in 2016, and it's Cobalt a with a nicely decorated with a whole bunch of urban two stickers. What you been up to this week Martin. I have been building a monster joysticks these down stairs monster trucks like gigantic tires on them. Well, one of them is simply called a monster joystick and the other one is called a monster joystick mini home. So they are Joy sticks made from their customers you go to Monster joysticks. Com to find out more often. The mini joystick is designed to plug into old eight bit computers using an Atari Deport connector. So my Commodore sixty-four is off and the monster joystick has a Raspberry Pi inside and then hooks up all of the joystick and buttons over gpio and it needs an arcade cabinet inside a joystick enclosure, but the killer feature is this monster joysticks use sanwa arcade joystick and buttons. So you get a proper industrial-strength arcade quality. Joystick to play your games on So when you say it's an arcade in a box, it's like you just plug in HDMI is Charles Rock and play into Italian where you go exactly that yeah. So it's a joystick you plug into a tele and then you start playing your games and the monster joystick hair is long. A fighting stick so it's got six buttons on the top and then it's got three buttons around the side for select and start and inserting coins and all of that sort of stuff. They're off of Lee is it like a critic that you peel stickers off and screw all together? Yes, it is. Yes. So it's a bit fiddly to construct not doesn't require any soldiers or anything like that. It's all you know pluggable Parts, but it is a bit fiddly, but I have to say worth it. I'm I'm looking forward to the reprise of 8 bit vs off and giving you a run for your money and Daley Thompson's to Catalan cuz I've now got a bulletproof joystick there that can utterly withstand the rigors of you know, nineteen eighties joystick waggling has if you think about the new joystick is what you needed and not skills fair enough all the gear and no idea. So Mark, what have you been up to age? I have been playing a red alert. What's that? It's a turn-based strategy with no roguelike elements. I don't hear about it. What what is Red Alert package? I've heard of it. Is this a command and Conquer thing? Yes. I spoke a few weeks ago about playing the command and Conquer remastered collection and I was playing the original Command and Conquer game. Well as well as that game. It also comes with red alert, which is the sequel prequel parallel universe game that Universe where it's it's it's not exactly clear. They kind of odd retconned some some stuff into the storyline there which made it not make a lot of sense. But essentially there's the command and Conquer storyline and the Red Alert storyline they eat there's each a series of games which is kind of similar but different but basically so regular is is an alternative history where Einstein goes back in time and kills Hitler and therefore your fight off. Alternative World War Two between the allies and the Soviets and you can make either side. Wow, that's quite the storyline. It is quite a sort of the thing is Westwood Westwood real time strategy games all focused very heavily on being cinematic as well as being games. So you have like fully acted cutscenes and some of its, you know a bit hammy but a regular in particular is quite good faith in terms of you kind of you feel like you're playing through a story as well as playing an RTS like what I found remarkable going back to it after so many years and having just played Command and Conquer is how much better a game it is than Command and Conquer like each level that you play in single player mode feels very much like you're playing a bit of a story even though it is sort of, you know, a builder base and build a load of tanks and go and killing me back in time. How much time was there between the first game in the second game? How how long before red alert came along? I think it was dead. We're between two and four years. I can't say off the top of my head. I mean the engines look very similar at the time. It's the same sort of Graphics. But and it was also the same with red alert two thousand come on and Conquer to was that you could see there are a lot of similarities in the engines so they would appear to be sort of co-developed to some extent. But yeah, it's just awful how much better it is a game to play like as a single player thing. And yeah, it's been really fun revisiting it. I have to say I didn't know what the plot was but now I do I think I might give that a go that's like fun. Well with all of that joystick and red alert chat. Let's get on with the rest of the show. So this week we are going to discuss the recent proliferation of a bundt cake mixes and I suppose we need to start with Alan. What is an urban to remix? So a remix is where you take a bun to and then they you fiddle with it in some way and make something new and there are other terms that we use which are slightly different. So there's a remix a Flash and a derivative and from our perspective a remix is something we expect at some point probably wants to be a flavor but it doesn't have to but it's it's really built on a bun to built with a bun to but could become potentially a flavor in the future. Whereas a flavor is something that's built using packages from the dead. Live primarily so all the flavors that you already know and love unto cabin to live on 272. They're built from packages that are in the oven to Archive wage using canonical infrastructure. That's a flavor and then a derivative is like someone who takes a bunch of make something completely different. So you would think of Linux Mint pop OS Zoran, they're driven straight-edge. Yeah, they've got their own branding. They've got their own style guides. They maybe have their own app store there like something very different but Underneath It All there's bits of Ubuntu. So we're talking about remixes where they're very close to a bun too, and they're not official. They're don't have to be they can just be something someone throw together a weekend and it's just kind of fun for someone to play with so the remixes that we're we're referring to the C evening are the Ubuntu cinnamon remix, which is obviously up into with the cinnamon dead. A bun to Unity remix, which is a reimagining of a boon to with the unity desktop and then a bunch of DDE remix, which comes with Thursday pin desktop and didn't you have a remix Martin? Yes. It's wonderful. Although I haven't released any images yet. So we spoke about that in the last show. Yeah, maybe by the time you listen to this song. I would have gone back in time and produced some images that people can download and on their Raspberry Pi so I try these out in VMS cuz I wanted to have a look at the I'm I'm pretty stuck in my ways and I tend not to use default Ubuntu with Cano. I do flick around with a few other things and I try stuff out on other laptop. So I tried out he went to Cinnamon remix and took the appeal of this is for people who are familiar with cinnamon on Linux Mint but want to be closer to a bun to and don't necessarily want the other changes that you get with Linux Mint but want to stick with something that's built off. Into pure rather than you know, lots of modifications I live has been do so installed that and it's I think the best word I can use is Jinja. It's very ginger in color quite orange. Yeah, it's quite I mean it's cinnamon colored. Yes, and it uses the calamari's installer which Lilburn to also use and I think maybe one of the other flavors uses. I can't remember which one the deed deepen also uses calamaras for the umbrella and I tried 2004 off and install totally fine it ships. Cinnamon 4. 4 to 8. I've got no idea. I don't know the lineage of cinnamon and how New or Old it is and it had a bunch of apps you'd expect and some pretty sane defaults. It seemed like your Pleasant environment and if you're a fan of cinnamon, it seemed like a good place to start really. Yeah. I mean I gave these a quick test drive as well. I've obviously been wage. Either of them for some months now, but it's the first time I've actually sat down and installed them and I wouldn't say used extensively but definitely used enough to create some initial first impressions wage will cover each of them in in, you know, some cursory detail, but I have to say are quite light Urban to cinnamon and something that I immediately did was control team was delighted to see the terminal appeared. I mean in in the words of Ted gold who used to work at canonical control old D. Should Control Alt T should be an ISO standard. Yeah. I I had a new link around in cinnamon and it's it's pretty quick even though this was running in a VM on my laptop. And obviously I've got loads of other stuff running it felt pretty sprightly an age. I was quite pleased by that I can see why the cinnamon has an appeal to people because it has some of the feel of an older desktop in the you know, you've got off Channel down the bottom of the screen but it has the the feeling of a slightly more modern desktop a little bit like Windows 10 where you you hit a button and you've got an expanded menu. It's not just a long list of applications like you would expect to see also 11:00 to or or maybe on xfce some of those menus seem to be quite stunted and very very very retro and this felt like a nice compromise between the old world and the new world and it was nice and quick and it had some sensible applications pre-installed it seemed okay. So yeah, okay. I didn't I didn't control of state but I'm glad to see that that that was I mean, that's your benchmark for a you know, good lyrics distro isn't it is based on my experiences of the early bootstrapping of a bun to mate. I couldn't understand why so many people were so incensed that I hadn't implemented control old T and I didn't understand why that was so important to people at that time. I'm now wedded to that particular key combination. So yeah, it was when I tried out cuz illustrates to me the level of attention whoever put the remix together is showing two thousand, you know the abundance who community and the ecosystem and the expectations of the other flavors that have come before so the next one I tried was a bun to DD the deep in variation. What did you make of that? I've Heard lots of things about D. I've never really took an anger and I thought I thought it was quite pretty I liked the fact that when I booted it, I got down just in the face with two options a little choose-your-own-adventure the detected that I was running this in a VM, and it said do you want, you know rubbish mode or do you want blink off? Food and you know I chose I didn't know what they were called. They weren't called rubbish and playing they were cool probably normal and normal introduced. I think okay, and I chose the restrict the lower one because I figured I'm in a VM, but even even though I did that it still looked quite pretty it looked very much like Macos like with the the when I say look like Macos in terms of the the panel being centered in the middle of the bottom yet the kind of the way you would expect a Mac to look. Yeah, also use the calamari installer like you said like cinnamon and the strapline I saw was this on the website. I think we're supposed to but the most beautiful desktop environment or it might have been in the installer. Actually. I think the installer actually made that claim and yeah, I I could believe that I could believe if they yeah, if you're the kind of person who likes Beauty you could see that the pin is is quite pretty so yeah, I can see why people would like that. Yeah. I mean I was very impressed. The initial Impressions. I liked the sound theme they have lots of sort of distinctive sounds to signify the system booting logging out shutting down and all the rest of it and I was quite taken with with all of that. I must have read my muted cuz I didn't hear any right? Okay. Yeah, so I was quite taken with that but I've always liked deep in because it seems like a quite a departure from what we expect when we see a Linux distribution, you know, the the design and implementation of the deep in desktop in environment is quite distinctive and I am quite like the look of it and also control old T worked in urban to deepen. So I was I was going to find that yes ten points out of a possible 9. Well then Thursday and then we tried winter Unity. Yeah this so I've been a Unity fan for you know a long time. And I used it in anger on my main machine before I worked for canonical and then you know after I started working Chronicle unit Unity was my desktop of choice. I really enjoy using Unity. I have it on my extra 20 and bearing in mind the extra 20 is getting a bit long in the tooth. It is so fast, you know, when you press the Supercross the menu appears super fast and when you use the navigation to move workspaces, they fly so fast and the animations are just they just feel instant though that are happening straight away, which is something that I don't feel other modern desktops get right yet, but Unity did wage and so I was I was quite pleased to see that this remix existed and I again chucked it on a VM and it was very much like seeing an old friend because I'm very it's very familiar to me and I use it for such a long time. It did freak me out initially because when I first brought it gave me a little text on the screen and it was actually doing an fsck kind of thing. And I think it was the the new Checker that checks the Integrity of the I so I think it didn't display properly and that freaked me out initially. Oh God. You download but actually I just left it alone and it booted fine. Yeah, so I saw that you did encountered that issue. But when I ran through it, I didn't I didn't see that at all. It worked just fine for me. Hm weird and we're both using the same emulator as the same VM. I was using qmu. Yeah same yeah. Okay weird. It has a tasteful take on the Felicity wallpaper. They all were using the same, you know, taking their cues from Upstream Urban to with their mascot branding which is lovely to see dead. Yeah, I like that like the understated one in d d e where it just has a little Felicity in the bottom right-hand corner rather than like occupying the front and center in the middle of the the desk top of the universe. Yeah uses ubiquity the usual installer for Ubuntu desktop. Yeah, other than that, it was very true to the original Unity wage. Very familiar very easy to just immediately start using so if your AC fan, it's it's great because you can install a modern supported version of Ubuntu with the package longer supported Unity desktop on top. Yeah, it's great. I I would highly recommend it. Yeah, I'd say this was the one I had spent the longest amount of time playing with because there's that familiarity so I know what to go looking for in the corners of it to see like how true is this to like, you know a burn too as it was the other thing I noticed is it's not just true too long. Unity experience as it was but they've also taken cues from like Modern urban too. So you've mentioned, you know, using a bun to but also the Plymouth boot splashes the new style boot Splash that they've branded with their own logo, which was good to see as well and it does have elements of yoru and some other icons which and I have to be honest. I did have them switch it to the ambience theme for it to actually feel like, you know open to Unity, but I kind of loved this one and you say not supported but not supported by canonical desktop team anymore. But supported by the community khurshid alarm has been doing a load of work on Iris for years to sort of, you know, keep it current and maintain compatibility with the the libraries and components that are coming into the ability to sort of Corpus of software via, you know, uplifting genome and what have you and also Control Alt T was dead. Ported sub is it says gold standard pass Mark there what I find interesting is the bunch of unity remix really is, you know going back to what happened to you was five years ago. You know, it's it's the same software. It's it's yes, okay, there's been uplifted and they've kept it running and they kept Unity but it's basically the same which means Unity does look a little bit dated, you know, when you open the launcher it it can do with a refresh. It would be nice. If someone could do that visual refresher some point. Yeah. That's the thing. That's always like I know that you can just install the energy desktop and keep using it. But the thing that's always put me off doing that is the fact that it's not getting the love that it did you need when it was the default desktop. You had not getting you know shiny new bits each release, even if they were only small it's just being kept alive. Basically. Yes in sustaining. Yeah. Yeah, and I know yep. If if J was here, he would tell us new is not always better but it's nice to have new things going forward. It's nice, especially when you see that change the default experience is is constantly being refreshed and updated to know that you're basically stuck in something of a dead end with your experience. That's not going to change very much forever issue sad and that's true of you know, there are real tangible things that you won't see in there like the settings panels that have been updated in Gnome shell that have stuff like fingerprint reader off settings and Thunderbolt settings and all these other things that have moved forward are not fundamental parts of the desktop. They're not like a core part of your activity that you'd miss them because they're not there. So if you went looking for them, you wouldn't find them and you could probably massage and figure out how to get these things in but because it is in dead, Relatively development dead-end. You don't get those you don't get those new things that you know, some people enjoy like the fingerprint reader stuff. Yeah, the the main take away from me from trying. All three of these out is they will all impeccably well presented with their own distinctive look and artwork and definitely had that I you know feel of quality that people expect from the ability to Flavors and and as they stand right now all three of these would look the part alongside the the rest of the official flavors, if you know, they were, you know, part of the, you know, official community of Flavours. I was really impressed and I have to say good job to everyone involved in creating creating those those remixes. Yeah, and it's worth noting they are very small teams of people who are creating these remixes and okay for Unity I dead. And expect there was a tremendous amount of work required because the desktop already existed was already packaged and already exists in the archive. So it's not like they had to go and hunt down packages and submit them, you know to the to the to the archive admins or anything I mean, but it's still an achievement to crank out a release and get it all working anyway, so I didn't want to belittle what they've done that. I love it. I think it's fantastic. And this is why one thing that I've always loved about a button too is people could take it and remix it and make something new and different with it and that still happening fifteen years later or something. I'm not familiar well with that congratulations to everyone involved in those remixes and I wish you every success in applying to become an official flavor. And with that we'll move on with the rack of the show that gorilla if there's an app that you've been using that you just have to tell everyone about female Yorkie love to show up on to Comcast. Org off. So I have come with my pockets Laden with a gooey love. Oh my God, what's your gooey? Love this week Martin. This gooey love is simply called screen ruler and it does exactly what it says on the tin. It rules your screen. Click. Okay, it doesn't do exactly what you're saying too. But it is a ruler that you can change into different units of measurement but the default being pixels wage and you can orientate either vertically or horizontally and you can measure things on your screen and I've been using this for years, but I've been using it and awful awful recently as I've been working on my set designs in OBS studio and trying to work out if I've got elements in the OBS Studio Design correctly aligned and space dog. Rest of it. So I use this all the time to measure the distance between things in my OBS scenes to make sure I've laid my screen out properly and I just absolutely love it. It's it's super simple just have to install screen ruler you start it, you know in the usual waste have to start it from the command line and then you line it up with things and make sure they're you know, the right distance apart the right size or if you want to know how thick aboard or is or whatever and and paired with Stuart languages Magnus. Sometimes you need like Pixel Perfect measurement and you can overlay Magnus on top to zoom into the area and make sure you're measuring things down to the pixel. It's it's brilliant. I actually use something similar to the back windows, which is called a ruler for Windows, which is very handy doing web development. Sometimes, you know, I might get a bug reported from a designer that says can you page They spent this many pixels away from this thing. And so I drive at the screen router on and I can say there's that many pixels and then I can adjust the sliding rules. And so it's correct. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's remarkable how you use for this thing is but I love it. I've been using it forever and I thought I don't think we've ever talked about it. So I wanted to bring that along I noticed the code is hosted on Launchpad and the most recent release was November 2011. Yes. It's ancient it's still I think it's still gtk2 but it's just a ruler right so it doesn't actually matter cuz there's no tool kit as such you know, it is it's an opaque or translucent ruler that you put on your screen. Does it support each the high DPI or probably not almost certainly not I've never actually run it on a 4K machine cuz I my panels here and not high DPI at least on this main workstation. Nice to get back I go. I mean there are variations on this from the KDE Community as well. So I think there's one called K ruler or something like Thursday. Especially other things exist cruel. Oh man, I'm saying it wrong, right? So there you go. And with that we will move on wage right? Here we go. It is time for all your wonderful feedback. So, first up this week Jason Armstrong emailed us at show a tab. And I know there's been some controversy over snap apps, but I've allowed a snap of renowned into my elementary school system. I couldn't live without. Oh my Gerard a fun game my son and I play and laugh with I don't know what you mean controversy. Yes. Oh, my giraffe is one of the first things I snapped. I think one of the first games I snapped a long time ago years ago. I loved that game is so much fun. Yeah, so if you haven't played oh my giraffe you can snap in school. Play my giraffe on insert name of your favorite distro here 50 distros supported moving on my Glover emailed us with regards to episode 17 and the popularity contest being moved and looking for some form of replacement. What's about having it is something you opt into when you're doing a release upgrade catching the information before doing an upgrade gives you a better picture of a system which has some mileage on it. This is true. However, most people install very few applications on their system. So when you aggregate all of that you end up with the same picture, which is all wage fault applications are massively popular and everything else is a long tale of irrelevance and it's also about the infrastructure and the rest of it as well as simply you know, we've not been made sure to get my gotta not bother to maintain it. And another thing I suppose is especially with LTS releases systems, which have a lot of mileage on it. Sometimes they never upgraded. Yeah. It was turned off. So even though even though this thing was installed it wasn't actually doing anything unless you actively went and edited a text file and said yes, I want to connect the station and send it. And even if you did that the back end was so decrepit. It wasn't reliable. Right? So Eric Nance emailed us about data collection. Are there any plans to open source the anonymised data sources that drive the user report dashboard at a bunch of Mystics. I'm a data scientist at my day job and my spare time. I am creating visualizations and summaries with the our language using open-source data sets. And this will be a great set to create some Innovative visualizations. As far as I'm aware. There are no place to make the broad data available because it potentially discloses commercially sensitive information. Kevin Ratcliffe emailed us about inclusive language in the Linux kernel, that's an interesting bias. When you say there is a vocal minority against the change when surely the vocal minority of the project leaders home making the changes nobody asked for you just have to look at the voting ratios on the register comments section for public opinion on this matter now, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't people who comment on the register the vocal majority that was being referred to here. Yes, and and also I I don't know that nobody asked for this change necessarily it may be that that's not something you may have seen but I don't think it's necessarily nobody asked for this right? And I'd also like to point out that it's the project leaders making this decision not people who wanted not part of the projects not invested in it and not contributing to it on a regular basis. It's no good being a re-register commenter and then failing like dead. Have some say over how a project is governed and managed is also important. They talking about bias is important when interpreting biased, you know, this is looking my one one website commenters. That's a particular group of self-selecting people to get an unbiased opinion. You would have to go out and ask people you aren't going themselves and posting on particular websites hmmm serious eckenberg emailed us in a recent episode Alan discussed using events to fill out government forms my experience filling out a tissue PDF forms on Linux comes from my involvement in a third political party here in the states having tried all of the open-source options. I could find I finally settled on using Master PDF editor off a proprietary software that is available for Linux. Not my favorite solution, but workable good to know there's other options. Yeah, so we've been using that at home as well. My wife does wage. Voluntary work for the scouts organization and she needed to clip bits out of past Financial reports to collate them. And that was what I found that enabled them to do that effectively. It's pretty decent bit software. Actually. I made the mistake of trying to re-edit one of the documents and I didn't realize why done is after I'd filled early and I did a file print to PDF and then I later opened that PDF and tried to edit it and that was never not going to work. So yeah whoopsie Damon Lynchburg emailed us. Have you discussed the conflict between having a real rescue a process for Siu's on the one hand absolutely vital for canonical and putting out bug fixes for volunteer-driven Foss projects the Distribution on the other whose project maintainers have limited time. I'm one such maintainer. My project is rapid photo downloader. I've been trying to get a partially broken package fixed in a bun to 2004 since birth. Of course snaps I meant to resolve problems like this, but I had to pause my attempts to putting out a snap after running into difficulties. They're probably not insurmountable difficulties. But again, the issue is me for me is time. Yeah, so I mean, I'd love to help you sort out the problem with your snap. Obviously. I don't know what the problem is with the package in the archive. I don't know the specifics. He did send us a link to the the bug report and it looks like there was there's basically an issue with the package and because it's in the LTS, it would have to be a stable release update. Is that the right which requires some justification? When what he's trying to do is just you know fix thing that's broken and doesn't have a lot of time to go through. Yeah, you're giving a big justification for this thing. I think would have talked about Siu's in the past and the fact that there is a bit of bureaucracy around it, which has to be there. Yes, in order to prevent just random, you know, untested changes landing page. What is supposed to be a very stable release but it is possible to get updates into Old stable releases. That's for sure. And I'm sure for desktop applications. Martin can find someone who could help I may know a few people. Yes. So Damon two things. Yeah, I'll take a look at that bug and see what we can do to help you and second of all fan of your work. I'm a user of Rapid photo downloader. So thank you very much for all that. You do on that. That project is rather terrific. Matthew Robinson emailed us. I was curious to know what are the areas that have been to needs the most help with I've read the excellent discourse post by Poe p and while that gives direction for things like updating the Wiki page is not as clear for more technical users. Hm. This is a good question is I think it depends who you ask as to what needs help because everyone has their own perspective on you know the bit that they see that yeah, I I could personally say oh something I would love to have the time to do is. And there's like half a dozen things on that list that I just don't have time to do that. I would love to get help with but if you ask someone who works on the archive, it'll be a completely different set of things and if you speak to someone in QA, it would be another set of things. So I think as long as always it really depends on where your skills are you it's very difficult for us to say what we really need someone to write documentation if that's not the thing that you're interested in doing like if there are dead. Things that you already skilled at like if you were a ruby developer, then we could point you in One Direction. But if you were a C plus plus developer who might point you in another Direction. So it's it's it's a hard question to answer without knowing the background of the person it almost needs like a an interview with the person to discover what they what their motivations are and what their skills are to figure out where the best place for them to approve myself. Maybe we should put some kind of wizard together that people can go there and click some buttons and say I can do this. I'm interested in this and then it tells you you should do this thing. We did not have one of those. Oh, really? Yeah. There was Mozilla project had one I think Fedora have one as well, which is like a flow chart of you know, show me stuff I could do and you just you just have to Asians on the screen you just press one and eventually it takes you down a path flowchart that takes you down a path and at various points, you can exit out and say no I don't want to do that or no. That's not my skin off. It's of scaling. It takes you further back up the tree and tries to get you to somewhere but it wasn't super well-used. I don't know if it just wasn't well architected or off wasn't well promoted. I don't know it'd be lovely to bootstrap that again and he'll Point people stuff that needs doing for sure. There's a task. Yeah, right exactly. So they go Matthew that's what he needs most is a means of directing people to their way. They can contribute to the project. Most effectively Julian karstark emailed us about his favorite keyboard. I use our Google Docs easy. It's an absolute Cadillac of keyboards aside from being good for my wrists and fingers the custom layouts and layers are super fun to use now. This is one of those split keyboards where you know, it's you well, it's a split keyboard. I don't know what else to say. It's it's got birth. Change keyboard layout and it looks like from the pictures on the website. The people are very great fans of this thing. He really really puts comes to work this keyboard. Yeah, it looks like it. It's yeah, can I ask you have you have you ever tried one of these? You know ergonomic split keyboards? No, I haven't only on somebody off his desk when I used to work in it support many years ago. And one of the early Microsoft ones it wasn't the split one. It was the one that's got like the hump in the Middle where Microsoft one. Yeah. Yeah, so it wasn't completely dead and I just didn't take to it at all. Yeah. I tried one for a month, but I couldn't get on with it something about it just doesn't compute for me off. So Robert Nelly emailed us about his favorite Gadget. My personal favorite Hardware Gadget is a Dell mini 9:10, which type picked up on eBay for the purchase price and shipping of a total of 30 jul. Was when I read on my laptop I missed the tablet experience less. So for its touch-screen them for its size or form factor enter the Dell mini 910. I loaded q400s on it installed. The software and began a new reading life the process of switching to Publishers who used the drm-free model has been far less restraining that I would have imagined from the Sci-Fi of tore down or to the small press literary works of Cromer Norfolk salt publishing to Guttenberg. Org. I found lots to read in addition extreme. Tux racer requires new poignancy on a 1.6 wage. It hurts Assam see. This network as an e-reader has emerged as a what if idea that worked out perfectly. That's really quite cute. I I haven't seen one of those Dells for a long time. Those really old Dell many nines there. Yeah. I miss netbooks really I used to I when I was at University, I used a netbook as my main machine I wrote down. My dissertation and the software that went along with it on a netbook. Wow, so I've still got my Dell mini 9. So if you want to see when a Lenovo whole I'll you know, pop it over to yours some point and you know netbooks are still having this having something a Resurgence right now. If you look at the likes of GPD everything that they're pumping out is in the speed of you know, the net books of old and there's a number of other organizations making similar form factor devices. Yeah. I love my Dell mini 9, even though the battery is long since dead Jim emailed us about PS2 ports the gaming Geeks that I know swear by mechanical keyboards and PS2 ports for better responsiveness and multi key role over. I'm not enough of a gamer to notice or care that said no one is getting my model M. So we had a few people I say a few our inbox was full of feedback about PS2 keyboards wage. Now I am aware of multi key role over and all the rest of it. I feel like I hadn't made my point very clearly. It wasn't the technical reasons. Why pstg? What's a good? It's like why PS2 ports are being included on Modern motherboards that are being manufactured in the current year because as far as I'm aware all the current crop Auto Rudder Big Brand mechanical keyboards are all USB or Wireless. So that was my incredulity about this. Yeah. Yeah. It's very strange and final say make Bacchus emailed us. Have you encountered situations where kids go to high school and need a laptop our school now requires laptops and both our kids are dialectic as some that are entitled to using the software kerswell 3,000 provided by the school, but it's Windows or Mac only when mailing score I think they short-circuit when reading the word Linux since they never respond off. Emails have you experienced with this? And this is an area. I want to confirm cuz to provide better support for kids educational software is one of those tricky places like schools often don't have that in my experience people who are technical enough that could you know, choose something that works on other platforms or they just don't care enough about something because Microsoft is the dominant player here and everyone has windows at some point. Now that's changed a lot with Chrome OS and people doing stuff in a web browser and it's also changed with iPads a lot of stuff on touch-based interfaces, you know, but I I think part of the problem is the software is just not available, you know, a lot of a lot of educational software was made for Windows and a lot of those. I'm moving to the web so that it can be used and they can enforce subscription licenses are still get paid, you know long after they made the software originally and also people are moving to touch basis basis. IPad but because there isn't a ton of Linux workstations in schools, there's no market for those educational software vendors to make software. It's a chicken in the egg problem for ya that we saw with games and we've seen with other software on Linux. Yeah, it would be great for people to bootstrap, you know more educational software on their life, but I don't know about this specific use case, but in general that's why I tend to find yeah and that rounds up all of your wonderful feedback. And there it was that's it. That was episode 20. Thank you. All for listening will be back next week when we'll be discussing Community news goings-on and events. In the meantime. You probably want to subscribe to at a bunch of podcast on Twitter to stay informed with everything that's going on in the urban Joe podcast world and we'd like to say thank you to Joe Reston for our podcast Production Services. And if you're seeking professional podcast Consultants, Thursday or Services than find out more at Joe rest, speak to you next time.

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Leeann

Candid Conversations with James

1:36:39 hr | 4 months ago

Leeann

"Hi everybody and welcome to another episode of candid conversations with James. Today's guest is another Facebook friend, of course who we've gotten into a number of exchanges some debates agreeance has on on a bunch of topics, but the one that came up recently that I really wanted to explore whether it was this idea of a traffic human trafficking particularly that of children and and the hashtag save our children and and does that help is that hurt and and then I'm also to explore a little bit of the work that she's been doing with organizations that are helping these victims and and and hope to helping put a stop to the to human trafficking off and and caring for the victims after the case. So it was a fascinating conversation. I I learned a lot and I hope you will too. Thanks. All right, and we're alive. So thank you for joining in another Facebook conversation a candy conversation with a real person behind the the headline. So today we have lyanna Facebook friend. We I don't even know how long we've been Facebook friends or how long even happened as these things just kind of go over time. But happy to meet you for the first time officially nice to meet you too. I don't think we've ever actually official page that I think we are actually just Facebook friends. I I know you because you lived in Polish again. Yes, so, you know, I know your last name is a big game there, huh? Yeah, you know, it's funny even so I live in Texas now and coming back from coming back from Texas. We always drive because wage We're I don't know why we hate ourselves, I guess so we always do this twenty two hour drive and we come through Lynchburg. Right? And so I know I'm getting close to home when I start seeing like Timberlake Road and Timberlake, you know the square and all this other stuff. It's really weird. Yeah, I bet but Bob berg by the way, it's one of my favorite places here in Virginia. Oh, it's so beautiful. And it it rung is me and my husband used to take her anniversaries there. I I I miss it. We really need to go back. So how long have you been married twenty years this October? Wow, that's awesome. Yeah right out of high school and a great. So twenty years man. It flies by the then it it really does sometimes you know, she doesn't seem like we've been married that long but I have a daughter who's just as old as our marriage so I know that we've been married that long literally. Yeah, that's funny. We're kind of in a similar but not as long we're 4 a.m. Years, but thirteen yeah, thirteen year old son. And so it's like every year it just like man it just how did this happen? You know that I still feel like a kid. How do I have a basically a young adult in my house and understand? Yeah. I'm about to be a grandma. So I definitely understand that feeling. They're crazy. Yeah. Wow, it's nice and you know, so just kind of hit on kind of what what led to this conversation, you know, we we've exchanged a few different things on Facebook over the years, but the one that kind of money I guess really want to where I wanted to talk to you was the the save and forgive me if I say it wrong I very well may cuz I think there's a couple of verses going around. So I'll let you educate me but the save our children as tag, and so that led to a few different conversations on Facebook some more productive than others, but it was all very educating right if for at least for me if I appreciate that but when dead It is like is that something you've been involved with for a while? It sounds like is that something that started out of being a kind of a mother yourself or is that had just tonic walk me to how that all happened. Well my faith in the military, so it's something that I've always been fairly aware of. The save our children thing. That's that's entirely new to me. I've only just really been doing that part for like this past year, but I've always known about trafficking and child trafficking and just human trafficking in general because being having my dad be in the military, that's one of the things that they either adult with or was aware of So my dad made sure that I was safe, especially when we were traveling around the world because we lived in Germany. We lived in DC or outside of DC close enough. So and and these are very You want to come hot zones for this type of activity? So he he made sure that while I didn't know the grand scheme of how things were wrong. I was at least smart enough to be protected. So I've known about it. I've been active in the fight against it probably since I became a mom. I've tried at least educating myself. If not so much being out there trying to educate my daughter because she's small. She's pretty she's a prime target for things like this well, and my boy is too because it's not just girls so, you know, I've been educating and talking about it that type of thing for probably close to sixteen years. If not a little bit longer. Wow. It's been a while. Yeah. I've only really been vocal about it on Facebook and my social media in the last year. What what changed in the last year was it was something happened with you or is it the society or or was there more of a need what kind of happened there? I don't know. I don't know if it was just it was the right time it landed in my lap and I was presented with an opportunity to actually work with they found a tour. It's a beginning to be a foundation. I think it had a lot to do with the fact that Society is becoming a little and I hate to use this term but woke but more like oh, wow, I like millions of years, you know like to use a wake and a little bit better because they're they're getting waking up to what's going on. Outside of their own little bubbles. So people are more willing to talk to you about it. And instead of going. Oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist. Yes. I've been called a couple of different jobs. So I want to be really clear when you when we're talking about. I believe what you're essentially talking about is Domestic human trafficking right Americans that are being taken or not. I guess not just Americans, you know you all that you've correct what's wrong in that sense? But basically people in America off as being kind of Taken now into some type of human trafficking condition predominantly children, right? So when when we say save the children as a hashtag, that's what that's focusing on right correct wage. Okay. Yeah, that specific term is is for the say is is specifically for children right now. I'm more of a broad because it really you don't realize just how badly it affects kids because most of the time when people are at the end of their trafficking they're close to being eighteen. That's when they get found because they fortunately been locked up since probably the age of twelve that seems to be for the domestic and hold on. I got my paperwork right here. Okay. I came prepared nice. Yeah, you've got your domestic work your agriculture. You're traveling sales crew restaurant Food Services construction. Illicit massage pornography resident base Commercial Hotel based online ad Avenue and being there is just so many. Avenues for for trafficking to put people in and the average age for a six traffic top person is twelve years old. Wow, So there's two things I want to ask you about in there. So the first one is I know you said construction is that so that's it's so people are being taken and used to do construction or or that used as a front to I think I missed how it's both. It can be both like take for instance. You see in you've seen a rise in illegal people who are coming over from different countries whether it be Mexico or Ukraine or or wherever and they get it's almost like being an indentured servant. I got you now. Okay, but but there's a I guess I will make sure I'm understanding you're talking about we're seeing an increase of people that come here willingly versus they're getting mixed in with people who are being brought here against their will is that what happens? It happens both ways like okay say well, we'll take Mexico for instance because that's actually the the one that I'm more familiar work with. I don't remember what they call them. But look at these people who are like okay for this amount of money. I can get you across the border cuz they want to come here and whatever reason they want to come here. That's why they come but when they get hooked up with these people They some are sometimes and not always but I can't say always are sold to either illegal brothels or construction Crews or off or culture. I mean any of these things that I listed off it could be sold into Okay, so that makes sense. So these are people that came here willingly but under false pretenses so they thought they were getting basically smuggled in and they were going to be set free for lack of a better word choice kind of thin for themselves. But at least they could do what they wanted to do. They they were through the through the crossing but what's happening is once they get here, they're never kind of let go they're shuffled into an immediate work program something of that nature. Wow. Yeah. I mean there are definitely cases where like Williams China is as an example. There was a three-year-old girl who was snatched up off the street. No one knows what happened to her. No one knows where she is the parents are saying the authorities are not very helpful. And that's something I believe because Chinese authorities are not usually helpful in some cases. And there is a problem with a lack of women and you'll find that in India, too. There's just there's more men than there is women so these girls are raised too basically be Brides. Hm. and so when when there's such a high demand I guess is that is that I guess leads to some of the what's so I guess I'm more of a question. I don't want to assume are they being taken and then roll be hate using this term but basically sold into servitude within their own country in cases like that somewhere like China for example that you just mentioned or yeah, you'll find that they're being sold. We sold into their own country. They do get traffic to cross borders. I'm not real sure of what the numbers are for that one because I even though I tried looking I couldn't find a good source for that information something that didn't lead you down a rabbit hole that people can go that's not right. Right so long I couldn't find any real good horses. But I do know that they do get shipped cuz you find people in shipping containers that has been an issue at some Sure. Yeah, I I definitely heard of cases with shipping containers under belts. Now, you know, I've heard it from a couple of different angles. So I've heard about people who come back what you were alluding to earlier with with the cases of Mexico where they were basically they hired somebody to transport them and then that person took the money put them in a cargo container and then just said screw you, you know, later I already got your money one thing. That's I had actually had it. It's funny that seems to be more though people that are trying to get into the West Palm. I actually had a gentleman that I'm helping him work on his book and he tells an amazing story where he was in Afghanistan and and Pakistan during the week or the the start of the war on terrorism and he actually uncovered. I know if you you might be familiar with this, but he uncovered a really big dog. Child sex ring within Pakistan that was written about and then shared and got a lot of publicity. It was called the dancing boys or extras Afghanistan dancing boys of Afghanistan. Yes, you know that story. Yeah. Yeah, I do. It's very sad. That is so so the guy who broke that story. The photo journalist is a friend of mine. And after that story came out. He was actually they put a contract on this life because they yeah because they they didn't like that he exposed what they were doing. And so a lot of the few of the local Lords in the area had put a contract on his life. So he actually went to a human Smuggler to get away from death and to smuggle him into Australia. So it was it was an interesting story where young in his case. He's like, you know, I view human Smugglers as Heroes right? It's crazy, but I had never heard that perspective before. And they can be I'm not you know, I don't it's kind of a double-edged sword, you know, like on one hand you have some of them who are rescuing. All from a a life that could be just absolutely horrible. And then you have others who are putting them in a life. That's probably just as bad. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's like anything else right? Like you have good people and bad people and some people are there to to you know, honestly try to help and some people are there to just make a buck at any cost and they most people are off in between. Right? Right. But I mean, it's like take take a look at CPS, you know, some people you'll have people on both sides of the fence one side CPS is a horrible machine and they're just government-run and all they do is put children take children away from good homes and put them in bad ones. And then you have people on the other side who are like no, it's not all that bad. I'm over here. Going on the fence. It has a purpose. Yes. There has been issues within the program itself as trafficking. They've been known to traffic children both here in Virginia and in other places in this country and another other countries, but you know, it's it's like you said, it's You got it on both sides good and bad. That yeah, and that's kind of crazy to think about too is that even the organization the government organization that has tasked with, you know, at least it when people think about all the CPS is there to protect kids as even the name, right? So the idea that those people are then actually a source of trafficking in some cases wage is is are very horrible to think about it really is. I mean the biggest case right now that I can point out is Sophie long. Have you heard about that one? She's actually it's a Texas case with something like sounds familiar, but no, I don't think I know the details this poor child. Okay. I don't know how I came across it, but I thought she was. Claiming that her mother was allowing her boyfriend to abuse her and her dad was proactive and off corded the drop offs exchanges between the two of them and one of them there was a couple of different instances one where she was talking to the mother's lawyer. I think it was and she was screaming. I don't want to go back. She he he's touching me. You know, it's just I can't I don't want to go into because it's absolutely heartbreaking and thought the grandmother was just completely gaslighting this poor child and it turned into he had to give the baby back because that was court-ordered or he'd go wrong email. and then what good would he be to his daughter or his his there's two boys in the picture too and they ended up putting the mother and in the children in protective custody because the internet blew up about it and just went full force and they went a little too far in my opinion because they made them run and go hide in a hotel under protective custody, but still hm and The poor thing was still abused under her mother's care police officers were supposed to be doing welfare checks and they didn't talk to the child. They didn't see how she was doing. And if they had talked to her she would have told them that she was being abused. It was so bad that her father while he had her over the long weekend had to take her to the hospital because she had suffered injuries from the abuse. Oh Lord. Yeah now and I I appreciate your sparing the details as you continue to unless they're needed but I'm curious so since he had to take her to the hospital. I assume that there was some type of evidence that could be used in his fight to get the daughter. Is that correct? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, there was documented proof that she had been abused the judge the original judges. I think there was by the by the time all this will be over. There should have been three digits. If I'm following the story, right the original judge gave the Dad full custody something with that changed and it went back to mom having most of it while Dad had zoomed and then like once a month weekend visitations. Mhm and dad and stepmom was taking Sophie to the hospital when they had her because she was complaining of pain and the doctors were documenting it. So that's you know, we're sitting here and we're hearing this and his lawyer is saying there's documentation that she has been victimized. The system failed post-soviet her brothers and the dad because there was even drugs in one of the brothers system. And these are children younger than 10. Hm. So, you know in this case. It's interesting. I don't even know the word. It's it's I guess it's a little surprising that it would get reversed in the first place. But the video that Nick Berg when you talk about it, I did see the video. Although I didn't know all the context but I did remember the video now and was that video of the worker basically forcing the girl in back to the car after the initial decision and then reversal or is this prior to the initial decision that gave her to her dad just like this is my one after they it was the 31st said okay, and then there was a reversal and and she didn't want to go back to her mom's house or obvious reasons. And like I said, I can't I don't know. I've heard two different stories about someone said it was CPS. And another one said it was the mom's lawyer and they've never really given any indication as to who she was and if they had I've missed it somewhere along the way home. Which is entirely possible because I've been trying to keep up with it as all over the place. I'll go ahead and that was in my opinion and should not have been said to the child. She should not have if you don't go with your mom your dad's going to go to jail. Like I understand telling a kid the truth cuz I don't lie to mine. But I also don't give them that much information. You know, I'm sure they could have they definitely could have phrased it differently or you know, eight years of or sugarcoat but for you know a kid that maybe is the most appropriate thing to do but also, you know, it's I don't know if it's a little bit dumbfounding to me how that whatever wage how that situation happens. Although I know, you know, I do know that it happens obviously. Yeah, so I guess I'm a little and so this is where I get I find myself a little bit torn on things. And this is kind of how Irish original conversation started. But you know, like I get a little bit torn on on when I see young hashtags about anything. My concern is always that we're going to take a super complicated issue and we're going to try to squeeze it down into a you know, hashtag because that's easy, right that's going to be right and then my fear is exactly what you pointed out where it's like well then we're going to have people that are running for fear of their lives because the the internet's angry at God and that's that's scary when nobody's been convicted of anything yet, right it is. Yeah and so but then on the same hand I can understand some of the outrage or or desire to bring attention when you hear cases like this where the system is is failing, right? And I think we're seeing that obviously this is not limited to CPS or that we're seeing Systems Failing across the country and a lot of different ways and people are standing up to that. But I mean, I guess that's you know, but that's my concern and so I'll just ask kind of for you like how do you or the people that you work with? Like, what do you kind of your thoughts on on wage? And as far as you know, do you think that since we've started using things like hashtags whether this one specifically the save the children specifically or even before that, you know using other types of things off. Does that actually bring awareness? And is that actually helpful do you see Do you see positive results do we see increased convictions? Do we see more kids being saved? Honestly don't know. I'm I'm legitimately asking because I've had this conversation with other people and a lot of people like, yeah, absolutely. We do but they you know, but they don't know that like that's that's an assumption and understand why people would make that assumption. I'm just curious. Do you know if there's any direct correlation that can be shown wage or we've seen tips come in with these hashtags Associated that have led to say a rescue or conviction or anything. Not that you'd have all those stats. I'm just curious right if you've known cases like that off Sophie's is the only one that I know of and there's no conviction as of yet, but because there's been so much increase in it the second job. Just had to recuse herself. And actually kind of feel bad because she left the state to for things to cool down. So she's that's the only case that I know of for sure and I tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to things because we don't know for sure but I have seen positivity come from it take Corey Feldman. For instance. Okay. You know, you know who he is, right? Yep. I am a product of my age for like first of all, I love him. He's fantastic and he has been in this life probably a heck of a lot longer than most of us have been and because of the hashtag he came across this came across Sofia's case and promised to donate money to help Father get custody and have you know treatment for her because there's going to be a lot there's going to be a lot of need for that. So there's that and then there's other dog. Things people are being more aware because of the hashtag like we were talking about it the other day with my with our friend group and they're like, I didn't know about all this and I'm like most people don't the hashtag brings awareness now, whether it's going to bring any more convictions, I think time can only tell what that one. Sure. Yeah, I mean and that makes sense. Like I said, you know, I know it's probably too recent of thing for anybody to have done the studies needed to correlate it. But you know, what is interesting is and again, you know, I've gone back and forth and it's I'm a cynic by Nature so I can't help myself, you know, I assume the worst and everything but by by by name but you know, it's interesting is even myself now. I've had more conversations about this topic with people you're now, you know, when I I remember when we first said hey, like when I first thought they would you be on talk about this. I've now had four other conversations that have been in some way related to this broader topic. Yeah just from then till now and it's really interesting and and that's why I was like, yeah, maybe you know, maybe there is some value to it that I wasn't seeing so I try to be very open to those things. Because I understand citizen. Yeah, because you know what, I think part of it for me at least and you know again, maybe it's different for some people but for me, I guess I see so many of these hashtags and she kind of our a flash pan for a week and then they go away and you know, and I'm curious. Are you seeing something similar with the the save our children? Is it still going strong? I don't follow it specifically right? I just see it pop up from time to time. So is it still going strong in or is it is it kind of increasing or decreasing or do you know yet? I think for young people's probably decreasing. I do kind of keep track of how the trending just every now and then I pop in cuz I don't really focus on that one too much. But the last time I checked I think we were at three point 1 million, I think. And that's that's a lot because I think we started when this whole thing started in the beginning of August. We were only at like a hundred K. If she would think it was that it was like much less than that. I can't remember what the original number was but it was it was below a hundred K. Wow. Well, I mean that makes that wouldn't surprise me cuz it kind of it definitely seemed like it came out of nowhere to me write somebody who's not already following those types of things. So it definitely seemed like all of a sudden it was everywhere when it had been nowhere. Well, even for me it was just I think the quarantine really helped put that to be honest because I mean one day these have conversations mean my husband have because you know, we have children. We want them to know them want them to be saved and you know and but on a broader Spectrum, we don't really talk about these things. I haven't heard anybody really talk about him. And then just all of a sudden as only thing anybody can talk about. Yeah. Yeah, it's driving it is and I really do kind of contribute people being home then board to it. Well, yeah, I I would too because you know people you know that there's there's people that are there's like right now if you want to go out and protest there's plenty of opportunity to do that. Maybe not as much now as there was a few weeks ago, but still, you know, but for but for most people yeah, their their activism is online, right and and it's becoming more and more of a accepted way to bring awareness to a cause at scale down and I you know again, I'm kind of with two Vines of it. I mean in one case sure it's like it's spreading probably faster and further than it ever would it was just a local event or something like, you know purely in a physical venue something like that. I think they've had protests in every single customer. About this for the same for the for the children the human trafficking specifically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've now Hong Kong is has a couple different things going on, but they actually had their own little thing for this Canada. I believe may have had one. I know there was one in Germany England had a black one right outside the gates of Windsor Palace because prince Andrew has been indicated into it. Now when you say not to cut you off but wouldn't well my prince and you're talking about the page or right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. What's her name? Goo free know. I'm probably pronouncing her last name wrong. She when she came out about it people were like and then he did that creepy interview and everybody was like, yeah, you're guilty. Oh, okay, so he was and I don't believe in crucified five people in a court of public opinion, but there's just so much evidence against him and and I understand that it's it's what do you call that? That evidence like circumstantial thank you. Yes, that's what I'm looking for. I know it's circumstantial because it's all just photos of her underage, but there's a lot of it wage and there's a lot of her talk a lot of things that she can describe that someone who's been with him intimately would only know God really yeah see again not following that that one as closely either. So I think I had heard his name mentioned with We was at the flight logs. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Yeah, he was on the flight logs quite a lot. But he was also there was a couple of different parties have been into where Virginia Go free was at she is a major case I watched I was that filthy rich on on Netflix, which is Thursday. Yes. Yeah. That's have you seen that. Well, you know, I saw the first I think twenty minutes and I turned it I couldn't watch it like as much as As jaded as I am like I'm still a dad and I can't watch but so much of that real life stuff with it. It bothers me. So yeah, I didn't get too far with it. It was enough to make me go. Yeah. This guy is a creep that's enough wage all I need to know as far as I guess. Oh, I totally understand it was awful because I actually was helping with a missing persons case I think wage was like three years ago and there was this rash of missing girls between the ages of twelve and fifteen which is that major age group for sex trafficking and all in Ohio where he has a mansion and I'm going okay don't jump to conclusions but my stomach drop because I'm like he's dead. He's a part of that and there was kids going missing before he got he got arrested. Really. Yes now, I didn't know he was I didn't know he had a place in Ohio, I guess that month. And so it's kind of the middle of nowhere. Why would anybody expect them to be there so high so I have a lot of questions. Sorry, but like one of the things that I think surprised me about the small part of that movie that I did see was and I guess this was ignorance willful maybe ignorance on my part, but I guess I just assumed that one of two things was happening either. We were they were straight kidnapping girls off the streets or it was it was just like they found for lack of a better word prostitutes underage or otherwise who were already working the streets and we're bringing them into the Mansion, but it doesn't sound like that's what was happening based on again my short review of the movie what my pull from it was was these girls were actually basically going in to make money on their own dog. Being recruited by like their friends and other peers and then once they got in there, you know was obviously, you know now it's like well now I'm here now, I'm scared now. It's like now I'm going to go further than maybe I thought this was you know, like I'm not in any way suggesting they knew what they were getting into. Yeah, but it's not the narrative that I thought it was either know and it usually isn't home cuz you've got they call them Romeo pimps. They're the Romeo pimps interesting. Yes. They're the ones that oh, baby. I love you. You're so beautiful. And these are they usually Target girls off to our probably around the ages of Fourteen and fifteen. That's their that's their target age and maybe a little bit younger. They tell them that they're beautiful. They call them baby them them princess. They give them love and affection. Basically what you would imagine a Romeo would do in the next thing, you know, they're pimping you out to their friends. That's how it starts wage. I would just you know, please to sleep with my friend. It'll make me happy and she's so endeavored into him that she'll do that and but that's a that's one subject. But that's not what happened in Florida with Jeffrey Epstein what happened with that was similar. It was more of you had these young girls between the ages of twelve fifteen who that same Target. They were disenfranchised poor families either in the system, or just troubled young women in whatever shape or form that maybe and they're like, well, here's a way to make an extra buck and they did not exactly go into detail. What they would have to do. It was just come be a masseuse, which is actually elicit massage is one of the Avenues for for trafficking dead. And the next thing you know, they're doing things that they didn't expect to do so and I'm curious in that case where they're kind of odd because these are so let me ask I guess are these girls were they local or were they brought in from other areas? Cuz it sounded like in the one case it was local but his is and is that still considered trafficking or is that a even if they're cuz they're not being transported necessarily they're transporting themselves, but it's Charles under that. Yeah still falls under that. Okay. So I mean this goes back to kind of a lot of things. I feel like and this is you know, kind of like I said, I have this odd double mind on things but you know, I would never consider that trafficking in my mind. I'm not saying that it isn't I you know I'm saying that as as somebody on the out side that would never be my assumption. So when I hear numbers like and and you probably know these numbers better idea, but I think I heard somewhere was Or maybe you know, do you know how many currently traffic people there are cuz I'm going to say a number but I don't know if it's accurate. I think it's like six twenty-three 123,000. I may be way off base and I can't remember got the number from its going to be depending on where you're at. Like Mexico right now has 37,000 435 that's actually up in the last four years. Wow, I have this UK has a wait. No, that's not the one. Well, I guess while you're looking for that cuz I'm so curious. I guess my point is is the definitions are such that some things are being included in that that may be an average person wouldn't include trafficking and there's probably situate. I don't know what I thought my head but there's probably situations that aren't included in that number that the average person may consider trafficking or or or otherwise, and so I think that's my going, you know, kind of like that's my finger with like oversimplifying some of these Concepts because you know, just at this cursory level this discussion that we're having we talked about Like I don't know what ten different types of really what you know, it's it's it's some type of slavery right whether they're being transferred it whether they're being used for labor or sex or whatever. It's kind of a shame that we kind of group it all into two to one thing. But because I would imagine there's no one solution because all of these situations are so different. There'd have to be a lot of different approaches to combating it. Mhm. Yeah there there's definitely a lot of different approaches and I'm no expert at that. I definitely leave that up to organizations like Underground Railroad that deal with I don't know if they specifically package deal with sex trafficking, but I know they do deal with child trafficking and and little older I don't know they do with adults too. I'm sure they do but and leave it up to organizations like them to handle. Because I have no clue how you would combat something like that and it's cuz it's it's very tricky cuz you get people who have been in it for so long. They don't know how to get out. It's it's very much like an abusive relationship. You know, you you you look at women who are in men too who are abused and you're like, oh why didn't you just leave and they can't give you an answer because they don't really have one. I mean, how do you leave something you've been conditioned to do with most of your list of divided? Well, sure people are survivors, right? That's what they're going to do. They're going to adapt exactly you're going to do what you can to survive whether that means that you become part of the trade and that something traced which is it was freedom for her children, but we've decided to break away and do our own organization and Thursdays. We're it's called Trace now and that's what we're talking about. It's I lost my train of thought so you're talking about race and kind of the thing you guys are focusing on is is going to be you said a lot of the other organizations like Underground Railroad focus on some of the solutions different methods of solutions. Yeah, and we're going to be focusing on trying to get harder convictions off and getting awareness out and hopefully our big step is trying to find cuz we're going to start local for us to take care of your own backyard and find missing children from Virginia because while they are being traffic inside the state they are also being traffic outside of the state. It does happen. They tend to stay home but that's not always the case. You know what I mean? Sure and so, you know growing up in Virginia. And and not having left that long ago, you know, I don't you don't think of Virginia maybe Northern Virginia and the DC area code leave that there for a while maybe up there sure I could see it but not a Virginian as a whole you don't think of as a hub for for that kind of thing. You know, you just I don't know why I don't think of it as one because you know, I guess it just doesn't seem like as big of a multicultural area. There's not as many people who are non-native speakers. I would think like, okay like if I was again, maybe I'm completely wrong, but if I was a human trafficker, I would think well, that would be my like, that would be the first thing I would look for would be somebody who wouldn't be able to tell authorities that For whatever reason either they're they're here. Illegally, or they don't know how to speak the language or something like that. Those are the people I would think that I would want. And you know that I go. Okay. So that's going to be places like Disneyworld or DC and so when I go to those places, you know, I'm a little bit more heightened as a parent life. Like this is the seems like it would be a breeding ground for this type of thing. But like just walking down say Richmond never would I think that you know, well and you you wouldn't I mean look at Virginia a beautiful place is Scott. I've heard people describe, Virginia Hills like you would find in Scotland. I mean, yeah, it's gorgeous out here. We've got Farms we've got people or knives. You don't think if it does happen. I mean, I think It had to have been three years ago two or three years ago. We had a rash of six girls almost in a month. Let's see six girls one week six girls next week and then there was like a break and then another six girls went missing good Lord, and it made them in girls, but it's it's been a minute. But yeah. And this month you had what twelve people go missing? That's crazy. And these this is that same age range kind of that early teen. Yeah, same age range told me that well any I mean, we're any of them found ever or they just night or yeah that I'm not sure of I think a lot of them and I could be wrong like I'm going to err on the side of caution. And optimism and say I hope at least half of them were found because there's a real chance that they were runaways. There's a real chance that they were parental objections that they didn't know about or they they took off with a friend for the weekend or something like that. I've never got any updates about that that I I distinctly remember but I do know for sure at least three of them were still missing as of last year, Yeah. Do you know again, I'm sorry. I've done all these questions that you I'm just curious It's just think of but like do you know if if there is there's a higher rate of return home or like runaways versus somebody who's taken like you Runaways? I know this is a generalization but do runaways ever like find their way home on their own thing kind of like a dumb question. Okay. It happens. I think the kids who moved and I really hate to put it this way but kids who have somebody at home who who wants them there. They have a better chance of coming home. Run away is are you just running away from something? Like I can't remember what the name of the show is me and my husband we were watching but it was in California and there was talking to this girl who'd did ran away from home and it was a couple of different girls and they were all runaways and they were all running away from abusive situations or you know, neglectful parents or dead were parents were not in the home for whatever reason and she had been trying to get out of prostitution. Bring that she was in birth. I think like about a year. And it was started out as a Romeo type situation and he'll order in and next thing, you know, she was working the streets and it became very very dangerous for her as as it does and she finally did break away and was trying to get other girls off the street because she knew how that system worked. So that was what she decided to do. Unfortunately, I never did hear what her rest of her story was I do hope she managed to stay away from it. Yeah, cuz there is a high rate of returning to it because you know, you you go back to what you know. Wilshire go ahead at that point. It's it's I think it stops being trafficking even though it started off that way, you know it and unfortunately being a personal choice, whatever reason yeah. Well, that's funny cuz that's a little bit kind of what I was thinking too cuz you know, it is a sense of At what point does it become a learned behavior? And at what point does it transfer over to your point of being a a choice? Right? Like right. Yeah, then I suggest you know, the slightly related. I see this a lot with cases of just quote unquote regular prostitution. Right? These are adult prostitutes who had a lot of them, you know, they fell into this life for any number of reasons, right? They didn't want to but then once they're in it then oh there's a stigma right? There's there's a threat usually if you try to leave or there can be threats. If you try to leave and then to your point now you've wasted probably a good portion of your later youth or early adulthood. So now, you know, you don't you didn't necessarily build up a resume or skill set or or school or anything that would prepare you for other opportunities. So what else are you supposed to do and there's so few safety nets in play. Especially once you become an adult that you know, it does seem very very likely that you know, if you find yourself in this life as a as a young person it has to be in desperately hard to escape no matter, you know, whether you're let free or give an opportunity or not right now exactly and then there's the chance of re-victimization you manage to find yourself in a group that will help you get out and which is awesome because of groups like that and they they don't know it's happening like they try to get you like, okay, we've got you set up your you've got a nice outfit to wear the to this interview. We've got you set up for an interview and then the person interviewing them finds out what they used to do in a formal and their former life and their re-victimized again. Which can you know, if any if you know anybody who deals with complex PTSD or even PTSD itself that can set off a whole chain of events off? Oh, yeah, I would imagine so I mean I have limited experience with it. But the what little I do know about it from the people that I know that have it, you know even just something as as simple as say a certain song or or something like a bird chirping, it could be anything at seemingly random, but something about that sound or an event or something like that triggers that memory and then it's like they're reliving it. Yeah, and even that Whether or not actually reliving it, but just that just that trauma that comes from emotionally reliving that memory could be devastating. So I can't even fathom how much a month it would be to physically read almost a visit. That's not the right word to be to be re-victimized. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, I I would imagine a lot of people don't come back from that at all. Yeah and you that's when you find a lot of people go back to that life because you've learned to build up a shield around yourself like this is what I know. I know how to protect myself in this situation. This is what I don't know and I don't know how to protect myself here sure that makes sense cuz you know, I was supposed to be able to trust my boss or boyfriend or whatever whoever it is who's now re victimizing taking advantage of this history of yours. Yeah, that makes sense because you know, you're you're taught to trust these people and then yep. Hurt you too. Well at least with The Pimps I knew what to expect. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hm. Yeah, that's yeah I get that and that's horrible. I mean, how do we to try to swing it? I guess towards a positive note. How do we as just independent? You know like normal people. What do we do to help? I mean sure I mean there's a guess that's why I'm you know, I'm kind of coming around to the idea of the hashtag and kind of sharing and getting the word out there. Sure but like beyond that what like what what do we do? How do we fix these things as a society as individuals? Like well, I mean one thing you can do is is and it's also very it's a simple issue in the hashtag. You can donate to organizations like or Underground Railroad Track, you can donate to missing and exploited children National. I don't know if national hot tip the tipline. I don't know if they do don't take donations, but yep. Just like that, even if it's not even globally or or universally known thing if it's a trustworthy organization, you can donate to it took a look into it and find out what it is they do and then go from there you can cuz I'm a big believer in that and you can also walk Underground Railroad gives you it's very little training thing and it's nothing big or difficult, but it definitely teaches you what to be aware of if you're out and about like like you say you go to Disneyland he go onto our and take their training program and you happen to be out. You're like, oh, okay. Well, I know at least based off of what to look for and what to do if I see something so you go out with that knowledge to wherever Disneyland the mall or wherever and you said Something that makes your brain go. Hold on this isn't right. And you pay attention? You can call the tip line or you can call your local PD and just be like look, I don't know if this is anything but this is what what I've seen this is what's going on because there are definitely indicators like tattoos dog collars or necklaces or something like that. You'll see a lot of girls who are in the prostitution Rings. They'll have the same College necklace or they'll have the same kind of tattoo. I show you what signs like if they're agitated. You can tell a difference between normal education and downright fear. Which is always good to know anyway is because if you see a kid who's scared half to death, you know, you're you're going to want to help. There's that there's also other things you can do. You can actually be more trained. You can join see what we do the training to join CPS, so you can be 1080p s workers or Just even join in on their underground railroad does drops where they go in and rescue kids from certain situations whether that's here in America, or they just like they did recently one in Africa, but they go all over the place and you can take them out of that situation and you can even even churches do it. Yeah, so interesting you said for underground railroad. They actually go out and and like Colette I guess collects the wrong word wage even know the right word. Uh, yeah help transport victims out of these situations and they to do after care too. So they are making sure that they are fed and taken care of and getting medical and psychiatric help that they're definitely going to need. Hm. That's good. But now I would imagine this is after somebody like the police or whoever have already gone in I would yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm signing up for the door team, right? Yeah. No, they work with the with the the police department, whatever it may be and do it like that. Yeah, and you can even do that locally. I don't you'd have to probably be in a very special place for your local police department to be like, okay, come come join our team and helping us take the online predators and things like that. There's and I can't even name them all but there is a lot of programs out there that need help with this type of thing. Well, you know, it's interesting. I didn't know I didn't know there was a I guess I should have I didn't know there was like an online volunteer training program and stuff like that. So, I mean that's interesting and I'm glad those things are out there cuz yeah, you know, I don't I didn't know about any of those things. I didn't know what the training I didn't know. I knew about some of the groups, but but you know, I think Not anybody ask me but I think maybe they could do a better job of sharing some of some of those resources. Well, you know, and they do but it gets kind of lost especially when you're talking about in terms of social media. I mean look at everything going on right now and just kind of getting towed down to the bottom mean I have actually seen people say why are we even talking about this right now? It's not a problem. We have an election coming up and I'm going all right granted. We you can be worried about both you know that right? Well, you know what's funny is? Well, it's not funny. It's horrible. But there's actually I think there is a limit for a lot of people that especially this year has really tested their off their empathy. It's stretched it right? Like we're we're everything is falling apart all at once, you know, there's too many priorities. So you just stop nothing becomes a priority. Oh, yeah. No, you're not wrong there. Yeah, so I don't want to I don't want to defend those people that say that but I kind of not the not the politics thing. I I hear that that's a whole month to me. That's just and I have my own issues with people that are like, oh, you know vote this way or that way and nothing else matters, you know, and I I can say that either side and So they give us some of these things. You like, you know human trafficking homelessness a drug addictions, you know, all these things, you know, a lot of them kind of feed one down to the other and they go you know, they go Administration to Administration, right? It's not the Republicans didn't fix it. The Democrats haven't fixed it. Nobody's fixing it. It's still there right off, right? So yeah focus on the election, but I would think that that's kind of a to your point. I think it's silly to think that you can't focus on this bigger longer-term goal because you're worried about going to happen in two months or whatever. Right? Exactly. You know, it's just it boggles my mind when people say things like that, it's just like, all right, look, I understand prioritizing things, but people it's like they don't care about it unless it's personally affecting them and I can understand that too agreed myself because I thought Is some aspects unlike that but when it comes and my husband will agree with this when when it comes to human trafficking this affects everyone because anybody could be a victim. So in that that's another thing too that I think probably you know, I guess again just I guess movies have painted my perception. I don't know. But yeah, I do I think of like the when I think of a human trafficking victim I think of like the eighteen-year-old. Actress looking young lady right? Like that's kind of the stereotypical victim that comes to my mind and I have a hundred percent sure because that's the only thing I've ever seen in a movie. Yeah being portrayed but when I hear there was one and I think I actually did post about it. And so you might have seen it or you might need independently of that with the with the US Marshals. They saved like twenty three kids a couple I guess. It's like a month ago now. Yeah. Yeah and I think the age range if you I don't remember I think it was like three thousand 17. Yeah, and that was mind-boggling to me that you know still gives you that average you were talking about earlier rightly gives you the average of twelve years old and it's like but when you hear the average of 12, that sounds when you go, you know, the average age is 12 years ago, that's bad, but then we hear about it not as an average, but as a range seems so much birth. To me, it seems so much worse like but here's something that'll really blow your mind. You think about it you get these women specifically speaking perspective or picking they get pregnant. What do you think happens to the babies? I don't even want to know they probably are either killed or sold off exactly and because their victim their parent or their mothers a victim of trafficking they have no birth certificates. They have no social security number. They're gone. They're not even part of the system. Nobody knows or even missing to look for a job in here. Here's something it was a Law & Order episode, which I actually think was pretty close to getting accurate. There was a cracking ring. It was a prostitution ring. It was all so it was kind of all intermingling with each other and they main lady Olivia. She actually adopted be one young girls kids because she got pregnant by one of her Johns and if I think if she had Nicole along and I know it's fictional. She hadn't come along. Nobody would have known this kid existed. So you've got these kids who are being either raised to be traffic just like their parent mother was or they're being sold to adoptions being adopted out. Cuz that's another problem. Yeah, I you know, it's it's it's just I think probably it's hard for most people to to fully appreciate the what's happening because In uh, it's just something it's just a world that I don't think your mind naturally goes to as a normal person, you know, like it's not something like normal people don't think I'm going to go steal a kid, right like normal people don't think that I'm going to keep a ring of of human slaves to sell other it's it's so weird. Thing to wrap your head around and so like I think for a lot of people on the that, you know aren't forced to confront it right. You think that it's the way you do you tend to think of like the the pimp on the corner, you know, it's like one bad guy and he's got some people that fell in there what it really, you know, you think about it in these small local kind of all self-contained local areas. It's like yeah, I mean, there's a few people here a few people there, but I guess the thing that I really over the last few weeks have been exposed to as just the size of it that the complexity of it. I figured it was more complex than I knew but it's it's definitely got more layers than I even assume that it would but the the problem that I'm I guess I'm also running into is two things one it it seems like it's hard to Fathom in some cases. It's hard to know where to stop where to draw the line. I guess. I would say kind of like your point earlier rights too easy to go down a rabbit hole and land in you know, you started researching some of the stuff you end up with there's a, you know, a moon base full of kids that were taken out of Antarctica or something. You know, it's like, okay. Hold on maybe we've gotten a little too far off. So it's you know, it's I feel like a lot of this gets Unfortunately just kind of thrown in with this idea of conspiracy theories and then these ideas kind of get co-opted or they don't show up the the the the what should be a much broader movement to where it not as much gets done because people don't want to think about it. And as soon as they can write it off as a conspiracy, they don't have to think about it anymore. All right, so then they're go back to their safe lives. Yeah. Yeah, and then you've got people like me who's probably been a conspiracy theorist for a really long time and don't mind it too much before this. It was a hobby. It's a it's an interesting topic to get into because there have been conspiracy theories that have been proven to be real like they're no longer conspiracy theories, but they're still labeled a slave wages such. Yeah now they're just conspiracy. Yeah. Yeah, you know, so I mean it's kind of like you get people on on both sides of the fence one's home. Nope, it's it's crazy talk and then the other people are like is anything crazy talk anymore. We're in twenty-twenty. That's that's what we use to describe the year. Yeah. Yeah, that's true and and that page and that's that's terrifying for somebody like me cuz I'm not a fan of extremes and so like both of those are equally terrifying to me because obviously it's not it's not all conspiracy. It's not all I think, you know, there's real people being really hurt and in some cases systematically and in a lot of cases habitually in over a long period of time but on the same hand, right like not every and this is again, this is the other fear is like, you know on the same hand not everybody who Gives you a glance in the grocery store is trying to steal your kids either. Right? So it's like you gotta be careful not to walk around. So paranoid that you shut down. You start seeing everybody but you know, you can't ignore it either and it's it's like God, it's it's a hard. It's it's a really hard balance to walk. I think it is especially as a parent, right? But oh, yeah, definitely, you know, I found my I think in the beginning of them I was doing a lot, you know, my dad had just passed away when I really started getting into this. So I was on the verge of becoming more than a slightly obsessed and I was like, it's fine to be all hard about this but you do have a life and you do have people who need you off and this will consume you if you let it because it's so thick it's so deep. It's so intricate that It's hard to walk away from because once you go into one layer, there is a whole. It's like an onion once you feel back one layer. There's a whole nother underneath it and moved it and each layer can be as just just as disturbing as the first one. Oh, yeah, I would imagine and and I think just the nature of the fact that there are so many of these layers write that in and of itself is kind of horrifying at least for me coming from like outside you go. Well, you know you thought you were dealing with you know, I don't know like if you thought you were dealing with, you know a single layer you go you okay, you know, we'll take care of this. Then you start realizing all these interconnected issues and not only is it a rabbit hole, right? But the sheer scope of it can be overwhelming if you if you really internalized it right if you really if it's a passion or if if if you really have that empathy that that it really connects with a victory or something like that. It's gotta be overwhelming. It's just too much it is it is too much I was For when we were first when we were still just freedom for the children my one of my job was researching which is why I have a whole stack of papers all over my bed with all this information and get after it was all said and done after the March. I had to take a break because I made myself physically sick just from just trying to absorb it all off. You know, my kids are just watching me cuz I had my son's computer and go using it cuz it was mobile and he's like Mom, are you still researching and I'm like, yeah. I'm like did you find anything? I was like I found way too much that and he's like, I'm sorry, Mom and I'm like I am too. I don't know if I'm ever going to let you leave my house, right? Well sure. I mean, you know, I this one's a little bit new to me. But as a younger man conspiracy theories was a big thing for me I am You know, I I didn't care what it was like the crazier the better, you know, I didn't believe most of them but I found them fascinating and you know, I was one of those guys who got into Alex Jones took early on if you're familiar with him. Yeah and not so much in the last ten years but at the time and yeah, like I even noticed even though I may have even said that I believed a lot of the things that I was hearing in the in the under places of the internet or whatever like they were these conspiracies lived at the time. They weren't as mainstream as they are now, but you know, even then it was like taking in that much darkness really did Make My Day My Life feel darker, you know, like casts a shadow on your real life. it does and it can I think that I've Give me I'm a little bit spiritual these days. But I have what they call a Spiritual Awakening about four or five years ago. And I think that gave me a really good foundation to deal with what I'm dealing with now with all this because I found a faith in something outside of me and outside of this world and it's helped me cope with it because I know how to take myself out of the situation. I can look at it from home like an outsider looking in and not absorb it and just be able to be a functioning human being plus this and it's not easy to do if you don't have a foundation prior to diving into it. It can become a very sick as we see it can become a sick Obsession for some people and I know you've talked about qanon and I'm going to talk about just 1 second. Sure. I know they're crazy, right? Okay good, I've looked at the qmap there some of it I'm going well. I mean you're not wrong here, but y'all nuts but Some of them are way too into it. Like I just want to go like hey, honey, you might want to take a take a breather go step outside because you're becoming too involved. Yeah, you know that can be dangerous. Well sure and but for a lot of people that's all they have, you know, it's like they said they don't have that Foundation of a family or a spiritual practice or a faith or whatever you want to call it for that individual. They don't have any of that. So all they had of is their sense of you know, helping this larger than cause them like so they feel like they're really part of something they're bringing down the conspiracy. They're bringing down the house the elite what they'll lead or whatever I'll even know who the bad guy is for for them anymore. But but to your point if that's all you have. Then in you wrap your identity up in that you're no longer objective, right? You're no longer and then at that point I would argue are no longer. Effective you're no longer helping your if anything you run the risk of hurting the very thing you claim to be for because you're you're muddying the waters, you know, like like, you know, you got people like me who you know, I see a you know, like I'm going to rip on myself, you know, like I see a hashtag and I see it associated with like the save our children like how this whole thing started I see and associated with wage, um, you know, everybody in Hollywood has giant, you know, sex rings and then okay, maybe not everybody but probably a lot I could almost buy that like you're you know, if you react in a little bit I could probably align with you but they take it too far and then they'll take it even further and they'll go and actually and these are the things I've seen like, oh, well actually every movie that's been a major Blockbuster is really about pedophilia and it's like hey and it's somehow like you take it even further and now there's you know, a million kids that are living in Chains in secret underground bunkers. I'm like, dude. You know and they all they're all getting shared under the same hashtag. So you have people like me who come in and it's hard to distinguish between the real cases and the real work that's being done. And the the crazy people that's you know, and I think that's the real for me. That's the real danger. Yes. You have a huge supporter of free speech in every way that it can be expressed. But I think there's a responsibility that comes along with that and I feel like that's the part that as a society we given up and I think that was what I was trying to say in our original message probably very very poorly. I tend to your yes a hundred percent you did it before no. Yeah. I like that's that's the fear because you know, I I want a little bit deeper and I talked to some people in that we're talking and so I feel like I've come a long way personally on the on the issue only be off. For only because other people have taught me and I've looked at things right but most people it seems like nowadays don't take that time to to seek out. Okay. The subject matter expert just somebody who has talked about this more knows more about it read an article that disagrees with the original premise, you know, they don't they they stay in their their kind of sauce Circle, right and they all kind of share the same things. And and then yeah, you start seeing the boogeyman everywhere and I think that's that hurts. What could be a really powerful movement that could help a lot of people? Oh, absolutely. No. Yeah. Yeah. No, I absolutely agree with you. I think one of the the biggest disservice is anything I can do to themselves as only listen to people who they agree with one of my Anna probably a little too much involved in it. But one of my favorite pastimes is listening to different political commentaries on YouTube and they touch on a variety of subjects lately. It's been a lot about what we're talking about here and and they all have different views on it. You'll find some people who are a little more extreme are some people who are just as they call it being red pilled. So, I mean, I assume that's that's for the Matrix, but what what do they mean when they say that they're coming out of it. They're realizing that we probably have been indoctrinated a little bit cuz you can't doubt. It's there the media lies to you every time you turn around. The film industry gives you a false sense of what's going on in the world because people tend to believe what happens in films whether that be this is it only affects people of this age or dead. Everybody's a monster, you know, depends on how you look at it. I mean, it's it's a variety of different ways. You got to look at it from all aspects. You can't just listen to people who you only agree with because then you lose sight of what's going on and you lose you lose out on a double information. yeah, yeah hundred percent and you and you you run the risk of You know being wrong and never not knowing it exactly. Yeah, and it's like I'll go ahead no, no, please go. Well, you know, I want to talk about the Movie cutie. Is it supposed to be Netflix show? I don't know if you've heard about it. That was the latest cancel culture and I hate cancel culture, huh? Yeah, that's a whole nother topic that but I think we agree on that wage. I think the whole idea of counsel cultures is ridiculous. Oh, yeah. I hate everything about it and they came so hard for that movie All Because Netflix and I put the blame on Netflix on this one because he uses suggestive picture for the they're the preview. They used suggestive words for the description of the month and the director the lady who made the movie is that that is not what this is about at all like yes, there's twerking involved and yes, they're eleven, but it's dead. Much deeper and complex issue than that. And because people got all riled up about it. They completely missed the director's words. Well that yeah, I mean that that's an interesting. So I just bought I just finished a different podcast where we were talking about and this actually came up this this cuties came up because we were talking about the documentary. I pedophile. Are you familiar with that? Okay, you've seen that one good. So I'm afraid anybody who hasn't seen it. Basically. The premise is that we can try to do this Justice and like to suck just the premises that you can't help that your pedophile. It's a mental condition, but that doesn't necessarily but that in no way excuses you the action so there's not offending pedophiles need to treat it like a disease. I mean is that fair? Would you say in your mind? I would say that some of the psychiatrists were not leaning in that direction, but the movie as a whole. Yeah, I do agree. That's what they were going. And that's fair cuz they they did do a pretty I think they did an okay as far as documentaries go did a pretty good job of showing an opposing view to but yeah, there's definitely that was the premise of the movie and and so we had a discussion based on that and cutie. Was it kind of brought up in that same thing and and there seems to be this issue of You know, like you said this immediate visceral reaction without kneeling any of the contacts with any of the facts were so quick. It's like we almost want a victim. You know me that well, I mean that's what the world has turned into. It's a victim for everything these days. Yeah. Yeah, because then we can be outraged. Yeah, and and that's more fun. That's more cathartic than preventing crime in the first place. Right? Well and it's funny outrage culture, which is apparently a thing feeds into cancel culture and they're both problematic like yes be outraged but take a step back and listen to the whole story. Yeah. Well, that's why there's don't be outraged for no reason or or or yeah to your point like dig in and make sure you're outraged about outraged about the right thing. But yes because curious is a great example that you brought up because people got outraged because to your point it was it was they did but they didn't get mad at Netflix for the way. They marketed the movie pack. They got mad at the the director and the actors and the writers and all these people that created this thing that wasn't then represented properly. None of the people that were outraged watched the movie Home. Right and that even come out yet? Right. So they're they're basically purely on a trailer or or in most cases. It was let's be honest most of the people that were outraged and this is true of anything have no idea what they're outraged about. They just saw an article that said hey, you should be outraged by this and they are yeah, and I think that's my bigger issue with any of these things. We were talking about like that's harmed in my mind that's legitimately harmful because while you are all whining and complaining about this movie that doesn't even say the thing you think it says, you're not having a conversation about the real girls who are really being victimized by a family member or a teacher or you know, like the Sofie right by a boyfriend off of a family member or or something like that. There was those stories don't get told. Nobody wants to hear those stories. Nobody wants to get outraged about those things. Map and that can lead into another problem. Like if they do listen to stories like so beat and one of the other things I'm a big and I never thought I would use this term for myself at an advocate about is men's rights. I'm a big supporter of men's rights as long as you know, the man is not a m o s sure you know, I mean, I do have my limitations but you know, it can lead into the and it has happened plenty of times because it happened and Sophie's Choice is the mom going. Oh, he's horrible. He abuses our child and and and this actually and I don't have the full story on it because nobody has a full story on it, but it's a little girl named Sloane and the mom is saying that the dad is the abuser and the Dad's going I haven't done anything. The mom is Ben dialogue. Just unfit by the court just won't my daughter. I'm not doing anything to her. I'm not hurting her in anyway, and that that leads to a problem. Is he victim himself? Is he a victim of the system? Are they listening to the mother? Because most courts tend to listen to the mother for over the father. Yeah. Automatically yeah exactly. I mean, Virginia is a big as a big thing of that. Oh, yeah, I mean we're a mother's rights States almost completely across-the-board when you hear a dad get custody of his kid, but like oh, how bad was Mom and it's like it's not that's not always the case guys. I know but you're right. That is the at least in Virginia. I don't know if it's like that everywhere but there's a lot of things I thought were Nationwide that apparently are just Virginia. I didn't know that time moved but month. But yeah, I remember going up like we even had a joke about it where to your point. If you ever heard somebody's got put with their Dads man that mom must have been on all the drugs and wage, you know, like how how screwed up of a human being do you have to be for the judge to decide? You know what I mean? It's like God you must be already in prison and it's crazy. Well, there's this thought that we as women are automatically better and that is definitely not the case because while it's not dead You do tend to be pedophiles more than women. It's women are still in there. I mean if you see a sixteen-year-old boy who's having sex with his teacher. She's a freaking pedophile. Yeah. Well, you know what that was what was interesting about that? I pedophile documentary is I didn't realize they was cuz I guess technically they're not a pedophile in the in the lounge. What would you in the scientific term? I didn't know there was three different terms what we as normal people for lack of a better word call pedophilia. There's like three different terms based on the age. Yeah. I didn't know that either that was actually new to me too. I was thought they were all just pedophiles. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think probably most people think that because that's the only even to the I've seen the dead of winter and I can't even remember what the other two are because they're not they're not words I've ever heard outside of that documentary. I think one was like, I can't even say the word birth. Input and and file at the end of it. Yeah, probably. Yeah, cuz there was there was one for like if I remember correctly it was one for prepubescent one for early pubescent and then one for like home, you know, basically post-pubescent 318, right? Yeah, and I think what was interesting and this is more to your point if I recall correctly. I forgot one thing. I don't know if they ever told us the percentages for the for the later age, you know that post-pubescent the pre adulthood they were women in that category wage. But in the younger categories, I want to say it was exclusively men like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there are cases. I don't know the exact number of the women who is children under the age of like 10:00 and they actually tend to be dead. Not some mother but like a trusted family member like an aunt or cousin or even a babysitter. You'll find something that is where those their abusers like are not the panel right which I guess is should pack. Yeah for the I know right? It's feels weird saying that's good. But I guess it's less bad. Yeah, that's pretty much the only way to describe it is less bad. Yeah, but I mean to your point though the idea that the man is automatically the one at fault in in a relay in like in a court when looking for college and things is such an Antiquated idea. It is kind of ridiculous. It really is and it's one that I tried to Breakdown, you know, I'm a mom to two boys and me and my best friend. We've had this conversation. One of my biggest fears is that they're going to get into a relationship with a girl and for whatever reason it ends but there's a child involved the courts are going to automatically listen to her if things haven't turned around by that and that could mean that they lose out on precious time with their children that I wouldn't want to do is true and and you know, it's also getting more and more just difficult for for for kind of off even if the courts aren't involved right A lot of times the assumption is like I still hear it like, oh Dad's babysitting the kids but when bombs watching the kids moms just watching the kids when Dad does it. It's like, oh, he's babysitting. Yeah. I heard that one a lot when I was Raising Crystal with the beginning. It was yeah. It was it's just a silly thing that mentioned be just as involved as dead. As the mother when raising a child, but I don't know. It's a it's a stereotype. I hope we outgrow as a society, but we'll see. Yeah, I do too and so too, but well, hey, you know, we're pushing up on 90 minutes. I want to be respected. Oh, okay. All right. All right. We're back my dog pulled it out. Either words what you know what these things happen. We're doing all this stuff over remote now and listen to new wave of the world. You know, we're all pretty we're working and living and dealing with dogs and kids and everything else now, but hey, I wanted to I wanted to thank you for being on I you know, I I feel like I learned a lot but I really enjoyed a conversation and I and I I love that we got to go a little bit deeper than we could ever go on a Facebook conversation, but You know, I think it's an important issue and I hope people really take it to heart and and really do some research on their own. Me too. Yeah, and and that's not encourage everybody to do. So any any last minute stuff you want to say about you want to re highlight any of those organizations, maybe your organization anything like that before Before? I Let You Go with a specifically for Virginia. We have Trace which is t r a c e we are trying to partner with different organizations here in the state of New so we haven't done much with that yet. Not that I know of. I'm not I'm not that deep into it. But also the national hotline for Iraq and trafficking missing and exploited children International and local What was and what our operation Underground Railroad awesome awesome program 10th Ballard is an amazing man wage and plus pretty much it. I did find those numbers for you though. Oh, yes here listed on that cuz I do want to know those. Hi. This is the global statistics and you have to kind of put it into context because some places did not even have organizations or way to report the they're missing like Africa is one of them but in this is your estimated numbers Australia has 20,000 Canada has 45,000 280. Germany is a hundred thousand India's 96,000 to make has a 1984 Russia was 45,000 Spain 20,000. UK was 112853 and the US was at 460,000 good Lord. Yeah. We are also the major consumer for child pronography. Really? Yeah, you'll find people in like Indonesia where it's kind of a big problem over there and their place department has says a lot of their customers have been people from America. Wow. Yeah, I guess I'm a little surprised by that too. Yeah you I mean I was too I'm like we're America. What the heck? Yeah. We're we're supposed to be like the fighters for Freedom here. And here we are the major consumer at least for childbirth ography. Well, you know and that that really maybe that's maybe that says a lot about why this this subject isn't as widespread as as it should be. I don't know that's that's kind of messing. Yes. It's crazy that we have such a much much. There's such a high number compared to all the other countries. I mean, how do we have ten times as many as Russia off kind of ridiculous? Well, and you like I said, you've got to take it in context that sometimes they're not reported or they're in areas where birth You've got corrupt governments and you know Russia. I mean, yeah, that's that's that's a fair point. So it may not be that we have a disproportionately higher amount. We just might be more honest about a fact that we have them exactly and I think that's where it kind of boils down to that. We're just a little bit more honest about our numbers and other places. That's maybe that's a good way to look at it. And India is another good example for this because I mean there are if treatment of women I guess I should say life is not very great. So, you know, it's It's sometimes it's accepted and sometimes it's it's not so it's kind of you've got people on on different sides of the fence. So it's going to be like if you've got people who are like I got enough kids. I don't care. I don't know. Of course, that could be missing the slope. But yeah, I hear you I have really is dead. But you know it really it's it's also true. Yeah, that's you know. That's the biggest thing. I've learned over the last several years working with with people to help tell their stories is you know, there's a lot of amazing wonderful caring empathetic people out there every man. There's a lot of real bad people to oh, yes. Yeah. So yeah, so all that to say I'm going to I'm going to choose to look at it in a positive light like we we admit that there's a problem and I think that's the first step to solving any problem. Yes, so and I thank you for all that. You're young and you know sharing the awareness helping people like me to be at least introduced to the subject. You know, I'm not I'm not an activist by any stretch of the imagination but you know, I think conversations home because now I'll tell somebody and those people tell somebody and and you know, that's how things spread so hopefully hopefully hopefully things will get better over time. It was definitely take time and a lot of people joining in to figure things out, but I think it'll get better. Hope so well. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for sharing your story and all your information, and this has been great. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Thanks everybody else later. Bye. Off off off off off. off off

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Noble Ackerson

Revision Path

59:30 min | 8 months ago

Noble Ackerson

"You're listening to the revision PAT podcast, a weekly showcase of the world's black graphic designers, web, designers and web. Davila put through in-depth interviews. You'll learn about their work their goals and what inspires them as creative individuals. Here's your host Maurice Cherry. Hello. Everybody welcome to revision path. Thank you so much for tuning in this week I'm your host Marty Sherry, and before we proceed. Let's thank our sponsor for this episode facebook design. To learn more about how the facebook designed community is designing for human needs and unprecedented scale. Please visit facebook dot design. Now for this week's interview. I'm talking with Noble Akerson, a senior product manager and self proclaimed recovering startup founder in the dmv area. Let's start the show. All right, so tell us who you are and what you do I. Thanks for inviting me. I'm noble Akerson, a senior product manager at Ventura Corporation Virginia now before we get more into what you do in your background, just tell me like. How are you holding up right now? Same as most people sheltering in place, working from home, being a in a moonlighting as a as a teacher for a two year old and a five year old, and so we're maintaining. It's tough like with everyone else, but the or motivating each other in. Let's talk about your work a little bit at Mattera. What do your work days look like now one hundred percent remote, and it's actually counterintuitive than what I thought I would say if you'd asked me this. Hey, what would happen if you are? You moved one or remote percent remote on this program out of said it's isolating, and it's tough, but day to day find that. The constant you know, zoom or Webex or video calls. have caused me to connect more with my team, my customers. 'cause we're. We're all in tune where going through it together, so we we just sort of checking on each other a whole lot more obviously, our meetings one hundred percent of the day workday, so we see each other more at if there's any silver lining. I think it's It's been generally positive. That's a good thing I mean the fact that you're able to be closer in this kind of situation. Right how did you first get started at Tara? I left a nonprofit that I've really fill passionate about the National Democratic Institute. It was the same. Basically the confluence of my perfect job right, but it was just stay sabbatical, and it was due to end, so I had to leave. It was essentially I was both a product lead had a product and an engineering lead on, but it was in a startup within a nonprofit, which is normally unheard of how that focused on innovation with with you know fifty five plus countries around the world that were needing technology services to verify the quality of their elections working on under with underrepresented groups in different countries, and just doing some really really cool stuff with data governance. I just really really cool projects on that at and I left there to join Ben Terra. Similarly to to help a major government agency to improve the lives of patients and residents around the country, they are grandma living. In a nursing home or a page, a provider providing services for home, health agency, those Kinda customers, and for years they have been using new for two decades have been using this antiquated desktop class system that is bifurcated. My job is to improve the lives of those who protect the ones we love. Three technology and bring adds to the web and has been very very rewarding for me and I would imagine like. Like especially at this current time, probably even pretty like rewarding and fulfilling in that respect. Now the work that you're doing I mean of course it's helping patients, but at a critical time like this, it's even more important. Absolutely. The world got turned upside down for a lot of people, but as you. If you've been following in the news, those at risk are the providers in the surveyors and people who are making sure. That our loved ones on infected by this virus. And aren't endanger and so more and more of the work that we do in the issues that we're seeing today with his pandemic has become a whole lot more. Relevant I guess for for on the team. What drew you to that kind of work so kind of be able use your skills in almost humanitarian away, but to be able to use your skills in in such a public facing forward way that may be as not sexy against way to put it, but. The some that. I've mentioned on the show before. How oftentimes product design into such will go into working for a company because they want to have a specific title, but not necessarily because the work that they do really helps people. I'm curious to Kinda know. What made you go that route with your skills? He came to this very good question because i. came to a point in my career started a federal to start up. We can talk about that, too. And after that attempt to add launching a product from zero to not two zero one I decided to pivot actually. Why was at that nonprofit we spoke about? How I could use my skills to to help out in areas that needed it the most advantageous This specific project spoke to me more because my dad for years owned a home health agency just like a delivered prescriptions to people who were who lack mobility were older, those kinds of things a lot of the pitch I guess when that opportunity came around hit home, and so just moving from. Folks that needed the help the most around the world with a massive organization like a National Democratic Institute moving to an enterprise application that almost did the same thing helping people through tack. have these philosophies about product. That are a little counterintuitive for somebody who who lived maybe seven or eight years in emerging tack that says basically the technology doesn't really matter solving the problems. Really does the philosophy and. What can I do to abstract? The tech from solving specific needs is paramount for me and so the opportunity to work on a modernisation project when you're going from literally mainframe systems to the Web seems very status quo, but sort of coupled with the type of people that would benefit from accurate data coming out of that say you know helping save lives that way really means more to me than the old, no offense than. Anyone. Working just anything and claiming we're changing world, but I can actually say that if I don't do my job, right? You know my loved. One might endanger. That's what breaking their. What made you decide to take the Sabbatical at India like? was there something specific about their mission or vision that spoke to you on the face stuff for the top of the funnel stuff like the mission spoke to me, but to be honest. House tired I worked in a startup for years, and then I had my daughter. You know working in startup as a founder is, say the least stressful and lonely because he has found. You have to have all the answers and. Stuff so tired of that. We got acquired by a larger startup and the DC Metro region on my team did in that grind was also taxing so I decided to take a break crumb, pushing product in the enterprise and the consumer space for a little bit and go help. The transition wasn't as sort of a flip of a switch like that I took a break from a ex wear that the company that acquired hired nineteen and committed my time shoe, helping underrepresented founders like me that would go through the trials of being told Oh go raise angel. Friends and family around and I'm thinking to myself why my friends or my family. We don't have twenty five grand like out of. Edet so for several months maybe a year. If you were founder in emerging tax specifically or in an innovative space that I that spoke to me, you probably got a call from me, or you probably reached out to me I responded now the mentoring you or on your board kind of thing, so that sort of hit it was due to just frustrations with silicon, valley, and again offensive Silicon Valley, but just that grind of of. Move Fast and break. Things Kinda thing I figured if I was GONNA do anything. Bring some of that to nonprofits in outing organizations. What did working there? Teach you working at the nonprofit? Yeah? Coa One taught me that office politics is not stopped. Tech Space and bureaucracy, and all that stuff isn't a walk in the park when you come to nonprofits, but it did teach me that as a product person I and someone with my background that if I did what I could to stand out, have the conviction to stick to tomorrow, Morals and Ethics around whatever the mission was. Speak out more even though some may think that might. talk too much. You know Kinda stuff. I learned that I a double down on that core belief that being open being continuously learning does not end. There's one when you come into nonprofits and larger ones like National Democratic Institute. Invasion doesn't really matter. If you don't have a you, don't tune in. To a customer, so that would be my second. Piece of learning, there's a constant regardless of what industry I've been in was definitely learned again in nonprofits that. The two that constants one whether being IOT Ed Tech. Startups being in tune with the users feedback in maybe behavioral trends, and also delivering value as a second constant to my business in my users doesn't change right just how you deliver so that definitely spoke to me because I went in the nonprofit thanking amended. They're not going to be able to change and just speaking out. Time you build trust in you. Start Changing minds. Can do some pretty powerful things now. Let's switch gears here a little bit. I was doing my my research on you before the interview and I saw that you were. Born in England's. Did you grow up there? Part of my life also grew up a little bit in West. Africa Ghana Sauce, born in England moved to West Africa God. I'm then moved to the US lived with my grandparents out there in the UK lived with my grandparents again and Ghana GonNa. Live with my parents I here in the US. Also you grew up in the in the area, too. High. Was Technology like a big part of like your childhood and growing up. You're exposed to it. Kinda, but by happenstance. So we weren't well off, my parents weren't well off and my dad. My late father was was obsessed with garage sales. And so we would spend weekends going around the different neighborhoods, and whenever he would see like computer parts or just computers. You bring it home. And sat part about that practice. That tradition was that using good with at all didn't know what bounce was. If gas undergo grab mouse, and so what would happen is we'd have a whole bunch of technology in the garage and get bored, not have to start putting it together so that actually sort of fixing. PC's of putting them together. And then eventually building my own sort of got me into that sort flexing that left brain a little bit more. But I didn't start out as a technocrat hours more. The right brain kind like this creative is in architecture, focused in in school very good high school out here in Northern Virginia, but science program, but they had a drafting class. Architecture glass, and that's basically where my heart sang, and even that I found myself just tweaking software up a little bit in figuring things out so before he di basically pivoted, and now so you went to the University of Lynchburg Virginia. What was that experience light? Did it help prepare you once? You got out there in the working world man. Quick story about that so. We're her black man like. I got to back that up a little bit okay. Love that college, for for some reasons in in I am I should qualify that. I love it so much. I'm actually on the alumni board there. I'll explain why Lynch for before I got the Lynchburg. I'm talking like a week to accepting link, head, Mike Bumper stickers and my hoodie. All that stuff for Virginia, Tech I was going to be. Through are already accepted for that school university in in Blacksburg Virginia Virginia. And Lynchburg was very aggressive with me. They came with a possession, Scott Scholarship and and my parents. You know wait. It's private school you know, and so they waited and gave me. The choice is a plan out because I went a very large high schools, I decided to balance it out by GONNA a smaller at the time. Was Lynchburg college the switch the name to university 'cause they growing, and so that was as far as whether prepared me. Until the story is certainly did Lynchburg was one of the sleeper schools for computer science students They had an endowment from the from Bill Gates I leaves. They had very impressive computer science. Department and I actually went to minor and neural networks and artificial intelligences. Those computer scientists my major in your networks. During the eye, desert, or whatever whatever they call it. I'm a little older so nineteen, Ninety eight through two, thousand, two. Okay, and so they were pushing boundaries, may I class changed curriculums like twice in semester. That's how. Nascent it gone through its cycle urine that trough of disillusionment, if you WANNA, call it, and so it definitely all these pieces go to build out to who we are today with some of these little decisions that we make at Lynchburg definitely played a role net so. I kind of like job out of Undergrad where you were like really working in what you're studying. He also in Undergrad. I was an it. Technicians I worked in their. It ops office in I would be the person to set up your computer when you're freshman terminent. And that was made me enough money. Even though I was making more money than the folks at the library in the air on the grounds I was proud of that, but I'm African. is a we just like to work? For me. Maybe we're more than study so I, actually took up another opportunity that came my way that which was basically a coach. For this program called Tech Writers in Tech Writers was a program funded by now senior senator. Virginia Mark Are Warner and what he did was he partnered with a awhile to provide equipment and software and other companies to go help underrepresented folks that don't have. The mission was to bridge the technology divide rights. We would sort of put together a bunch of smart students, a bunch of industry professionals Bam together go to a place of worship, working with the Deacon, or whoever at the church will come there on a Saturday. We train people on how to use. Word or powerpoint and stuff like that and coach on stuff, so I ended up becoming the the trainer of the trainers, and through that got me into my first job once this industry now tech industry millionaire guy is that he wanted to run for governor I guess it would have been in two thousand and would have been his second time for me, he he he lost, and so my first job out of Undergrad was the technology guy I think bows my title. Every anything from fixing building, one of the first websites for a political campaign and I still have an article on my wall here that I'm looking at that had a store, so that brought some e commerce to it and Mark Warner's gubernatorial campaign in two thousand, one was the first. This is a new. York Times article. I'm looking at here. Anybody WanNA. Go look it up. Yeah, we built. The first website. Didn't sack I guess. Wow. That's amazing. I mean especially when you think about how technology plays such a role in campaigns, and at how politicians are using it now like people that Obama was was revolutionary when he was doing it for his first campaign, but you're doing it all the way. BECCA two thousand one. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Because after that success after he trounced, forget the other candidate it. We moved in. was basically part of that family I went to work for his administration in Richmond. Virginia is a technology liaison there. and then after his his term, he called me back in two thousand London. I was about to go back to College University of London to to do continue my studies, but I got a phone call from his right hand. Man in the UK were thinking about running for president. We're GONNA. Do a political action committee. This was you talked about Obama. Obama, the reminded me about this story, so you know they convinced me to come back I was going to be Director Technology Moonlight Young, how so I show up and we talk about how Obama was innovative, but a lot of the team members, the smart talented individuals that made up. That team came from Howard Dean's campaign. If you remember the Howard being. Put Him. Howard Dean's campaign. We post a lot of wants. His campaign fell apart poached a lot of his developers through centralized in Austin a lot of the gone to build great things like box media. The shot trains the CTO at Fox on no Trey Trey Brenda right yeah yeah yeah yeah. And so a lot of those you know. We put that pack. committee up big, no, the on the back of of the Dean campaign of Course Warner never ran. If you remember in the end, but a lot of those that talent went to the Hillary campaign and the Obama campaign. That's where innovation started happening in that space. Wow, now, I have a story because it sort of is like a bit of A. A I guess kind of a corollary, which it's all about so when I started my studio in like late, two, thousand, eight, early, two, thousand, nine I got really inspired by Obama and I quit my job one because I was inspired by Obama Patou because they owed me like three thousand dollars in back pay, which I finally got cleared, and once it cleared I quit that same day and use that as seed. Seed Money to start my studio, but the first big client that I had was in two thousand nine, and it was for a mayoral candidate here in Atlanta, and it was kind of the first set of municipal races after Obama. Where like now you have even local politicians being like. How do we get some of that? Like? How do we get some of that S- that Obama affect with technology and things like that. That and so I was really fortunate to work on a campaign where we were really kind of innovating a lot of ways, because there was no blueprint as to how to do this like how do you take technology, particularly social media and really use it within the campaign. I mean we had our candidate on twitter on facebook on linked in, she was also on my space. Let you know how long ago this was. Had filed. We found someone on Black Planet. WHO does customize space designs to do her? My Space Page by God. But it was so interesting like trying to navigate that space tech new media for politics in in a time. When nobody knew what they were doing like I mean now of course technology in politics I can't glove with so many things both good and bad, but back then it was so weird like trying to explain to the candidate like just because you have four thousand twitter followers, it doesn't necessarily mean you have four thousand votes like it's another tool in the campaign toolbox outreach, but it's not A. A direct one to one relation with voters and forty. The candidate did not win, but that ended up getting me in front of so many other people that were like we saw the work that you did for her campaign. How do that for our nonprofit Outta? We do that for our small businesses, etcetera etcetera etcetera, so in a way, the work that you did Kinda like paved that for other races and other candidates to kind of start doing that including me doing it for this mayoral candidate. So I guess like while all of this is going on. This is when you knew for a fact like I could do this for a living like this is what I can do. Yes, so from that those markets like the political nonprofits last political action committee slash small business space, so say for example you're looking to help out a campaign. Do their you know their their net roots stuff? They used to call it. They still do. Would mean you would need to. You'd probably hit me up and I would of sort of sat. Nasr sold your Oncho. Software partnered with other service providers end GP van Staus to Crm's and stuff for your finance team. Safia website all that stuff where we could just build it for you before you know it like campaigns, come and go, but I realized that in the US always campaign, and so my first. First Startup it was based on that identified a need which is basically is always a campaign. He campaigns that are wrapping up like almost always whether they or lose wanted to offload equipment furniture lease the space that kind of stuff, and then the campaigns you know halfway across the country that were getting ready for the next November, whatever were looking to buy things on the cheap because they had raised money yet. Yet you know so. My first startup was a company called camp share that was a logistics company in a bad you know below the the iceberg right like but on the top just basically like the Ebay the pitch was like you don't want. It's Ebay for for political campaigns nonprofits because you don't want to as a candidate. You don't want to buy a bunch of chairs and find out you know. Know you bought it from. You know upon the porn star or something like that like so you know that would just tank campaign, so we would set the basically be that conduit between campaigns that were closing campaigns, our or opening, so basically got me into product in a weird way by just trying, and in that case failing and learning a lot about you know how to run a business one into how? Today I can say how to make approx succeed. That's basically yeah. That's a good question, so the start that you mentioned was the first of many startups that you worked on Oh. Yeah I like I. Just I had an audience. I had a market that I'd worked on for so long since two thousand one thousand that I knew there needs through and through so even if it was justed to supplement. My income because I wasn't really I didn't really need to look for a job like a traditional office job, and so my Guy Inc gotta good CPA. And all that and started something called a company self-aggrandizing sounding. Company able world, and it was just a company that was targeted towards packs towards political organization small businesses. We would do things like before the. Modernization Jargon came into play. We would try to fund certain initiatives that we're trying like. The capture startup was funded off the back of just going to organization organization, asking them to digitize their their means paper that they're financing left, so we would a U. Haul the ban slab. Our logo bought a little Matt magnetic logo thing from a local banner store. Drive up there. We had this Fujitsu. Remember had this Fujitsu scanner that I saved up on bought, and we would just set it up in just started scanning things in. Charge by paper. You know so a couple cents for every paper that fractional percent. Every paper that you'd scan and that's I would monetize while the crazy ideas that we. While, now another startup! I saw you did something called links fits talk about that. Yes, fit is probably my proudest. Moment as a startup founder links fit. Try to that. I was fortunate enough to be invited to Google in work with their marketing team to to understand how to release that Google glass product to the market. as part of that group, my CTO and I was also part of that. Sort of pre release group. That were made up initially non-glamorous. My CTO still google now we would go in and and we try out. The devices think of different ways that would you know different personas or target audiences that that we would want to target all this at the time? Was Nda limitations long casts. Air But yeah. It was fun. They organized Google organized the first half on New York in La and San Francisco. I believe around that time I was in that normal group This is before glasses out in the market, and through that I got my hands on the device already drinking Google school late. If you had asked me back in two thousand eleven two thousand, twelve out of Said Look in two thousand twenty, the won't be a thing called Cova, but every single person will have a face computer. You went to Tom Price You could just add more tech to your regular prescriptions right like bows. How much I believed in the future of wearable Tech Ed, warn assisted reality assisted reality is my colleague. Call it and so that whole kool-aid Franken Sorta gave me a lot of ideas student to where things were smart. I in hindsight out of started in the enterprise space, but I actually started a prototype, an idea using the glass API mirror. API ought to track fitness. It was very simple. It would show you a within your field of view a workout to do, and it would just countdown until you were done. It didn't use any sensors. Convince a lot of people that was there and at me in retrospect and so We decided you know what that's my future. To get into computer vision. I'm going to get into a are. Of course glass launched in wasn't really fully a are actually wasn't at all. It had capabilities to be augmented. Reality Focused Enzo double down on the length fit. The whole goal of links fit was to give you a virtual coach, a virtual coach that would tap into the sensor fusion of a wearable device. So if you don't know, glass was basically nexus phone. miniaturized our stripped out in form-fitted in a very very compact where device those light, and was balanced out, so it didn't wait too much when you weren't seemingly okay, and so we try this out we took out. Try to find customers. We are targeted audience at the time were physical health or rehabilitation tr customers in fitness coaches in gems. That kind of stuff. In prototype did gave it all away for free I will never do or advice any startup founder to do especially with emerging tech, and it became something. We won a lot of awards We sold our software. We actually made money, but we also ran out of money Glenn. We found out well due to the fact. That glass never hit the market. We were overly focused on the success of our partner in Google later in the success of the copycats that we had partnered Samsung and Sony as well they also are may or may not have the time have had competing devices ready to launch, but they never did. We exit access to the devices was downfall of what the primary downfall of links. and so we sold the company before world after I ran out of payroll, and we're wondering where the next paycheck was gonNA come from. And so and so. That's the story of links fit. It was northern Virginia's most innovative company. One award their Washington Post's most innovative company I slept there. You've seen a lot of media. Chatter on it whenever they talked about fitness wearables are leaving at copycats out of England. Call themselves the same thing. It was great. Do you still use the Google glass specialty purposes as it mentioned I have a five year old a two year old, so I've been using a consistently with them whenever they're out in the playground, so when a quick story that. When my daughter was able to walk in and go on a swing in the play at a playground I would at the time glass was. The only thing I cared about side out even carry my phone i. just sort of slapped thing on my face and every time she would start swinging I would take a video in a picture, so you know as I. let her go I'll take one picture S. you came back out. Take a video, so yes, he swung take a thirty second video. Every single time she did that. I would take a picture in a video and I kept that up with you know it will save to take her to play day out. Still be doing. The goal in my feeble brain has been that if she's old enough, and she's be about to get married or have their big milestone I would then take the time to find every single picture in video. Slice it up into montage, and as I let her go as I push off. She's a baby in when she comes back from swing, he's an adult, and so it will just be a stop motion kind of thing, and that's what I. That's what I'm hoping to accomplish. That's why I still use that term Nice. No, that's that sounds really don't to be able to use something like that. I hope that I remember do that someday. So let's let's talk about wearable tech I. Mean you mentioned Google Glass asks not taking off and I remember when it was first coming out I know the cost was a very prohibitive thing for a lot of people, but then just like the general look because their glasses, but they're not really. Glass is kind of just like a like a piece in a way, but like now wearable tech is super common I. Mean I think mostly in part because of the Apple Watch, and we've seen other smart watches from other manufacturers. We've got other smart glasses in the vein of Google glass like the snap spectacles. I see some from Bos- that are not necessarily smart glasses, but they have access to the Google Assistant, so you can hear through like bone conduction some some interesting technology, or something like that whether you also see smart bracelets of course fit bit things like that. They're smart rings. Smart Jewelry of other kinds pendants, Cetera and as I mentioned to you before we started recording like I feel like one of the biggest wearable tech. Of the past ten years of body cams whether they've been for us for law, enforcement or people just doing like you're using it in a way to sort of capture a moment very quickly. Like what do you think about wearable tech and its place in society now wearable tech for the first round say from maybe two thousand twelve through sixteen until when the Apple Watch finally launched. was trying to find its place when I was running a start up, there was the buzzword thrown around by marketing. Our firms called quantified fitness. If you remember that fit bit was around the. Nike fuel band was out of the whole bunch job. Bone had their own thing. And the value delivered for everyone was to in a seamless way. Capture your motion in order to tell you how while you sleep. How fit you were what you needed. Some some of the better ones tell you from your. From defying your motion and activities, tell you what to do to improve your life. That ended up taking off. That's what set the stage for Apple. There's always everyone always says apple doesn't really come in I on with exception of maybe the IPHONE, and even that you can argue blackberry and other devices trio are preceded, but they always try to find do a lot of market research and try to find the best value for the user so wearables. WanNa sort of just classifying different categories there obviously other use cases outside of quantified fitness, tempering tearing up with a t in an in an thing sensors in order to tell a worker in real time or near real time. What an alert could be and so you'll find oil and gas manufacturing anyone who? Makes moves markets. Any object or widget off. A lot of these industries have started looking at wearables in order to. Allow allow the end user to understand or the worker to to understand what's happening around them, or what's happening with thing? They're working on something that you don't care about. Another industry you brought up body camps and I've got lot to say about that. Please do go in. Another vertical for for wearables have been surveillance so in black folks like me. Normally get the the the. The the worst end of the stick for being brought up into. Being after being mistreated, sometimes, unfortunately, being killed here with variables, and so I'll go back into my story. Most store I'm an African saw. We tell stories about everything. Brother. You talk about what I was doing at the nonprofit National Democratic Institute announced today. What I did right around the time where GDP are the general data protection regulation in in the EU went into effect. INDIAIA ban, Ban Help them end. Other major nonprofits move to focus on data, privacy and data governance. Good data stewardship through technology, and so you might be thinking. What does that have to do with Google glass or body camps? Right story is back in my links. Fit. Days traveled a lot I was in an accelerator in San Francisco momentum accelerator, former combinator founders decided to off do their own thing and on one of those travels. Here I am I go through the airport, putting my bag up in the plane and about to down the second sat down the flight attendant walks up to me and says take off that thing. I go, wait, were and she goes. You're making our customers uncomfortable nothing. Can Myself I didn't say this out loud because it was in the moment of Mike, what is going on a the whoever's complaining has just gone through airport. By how many cameras? Scanners. All kinds of stuff that you know about they gone to. They're worried about a black dude. Sitting down with the face computer, a google glass device this is. Right so at the time I just took it off but I had failed to try to explain her that like if i? Were to record. Her like to my face out, have to be staring at her the whole time. And that would make me uncomfortable because I'm not a sociopath. Right and this thing doesn't stay recording, 'cause it's a tiny device out run out of battery. Before I got to my destination. None of that mattered, she asked me to take it all right fine, but in them Mitt I was also thinking about so many other privilege folks that had Google Glass I've got mine for Free So. I was partnered Google. Time we're. We're doing very well, but in that moment I started thinking about folks in on the bar in San Francisco getting beat up or slab. I hear the same thing when folks put pod the not I thought about the the apple headphones the airmont airports. And a lot of people just start talking smack. About that stuff, so of were hated with Google Glass, and so I started thinking. What is this inside? The about glass like lied. People concern themselves about me. The person just like you. Potentially recording him in about was not. Versus, the government or law enforcement officer recording. It's okay to go through entire airport experience being recorded, but it's not okay for me to do it. In that moment, I realized it's not about serve aliens. valances about mean you normal people walking around recording it. And I say that because we don't have these devices that we wear normal, people don't have the right. The companies that make these devices don't have the right ethics normally town when it comes to protecting people's privacy. And so if I don't trust where Google is going to send this data in I. Don't trust and I don't understand how the device works and I have no control to say no. I don't WanNa. Be Off Camera. Note that that story that I said about that flight attendant as I was explaining it to her. Every single person around me had their phones out recording that will. Talk probably right, so it wasn't about that. It was something deeper, which actually diverted my tensions to data, privacy and data governance a little bit, but I'll come back to body cams here in a second, and so what I wanted to basically understand how these companies could be better stewards of people's data whether they are hardware devices, creating cameras on things like snapper, whatever asking them three questions. Do you provide enough context that is easily readable for for normal people to understand what's happening with your device Vogel? Whoever facebook are you capturing? Information Selamat data facebook you know those Kinda questions, so do you have enough context? Secondly, do you give normal your audience? Your your market a choice. Choice to act on that context right and once they have the choice to do that. Do they have the control to act on that choice? Right so it's context. Privacy policy does easily readable control in choice now. I made that my mission. I like for two years at Indy. I anything that we build especially for at risk women in Cambodia wherever we wanted to make sure that that data remained true. That data was contextual of what we're going to do with it are that we gave folks the choice to opt out and gave the context out to do so. That's sort of setting the stage for where we are today. You'll notice that some police agencies are around. The mostly police agencies around the country conveniently have situations where the device doesn't work, or it wasn't turned on when they know they're about to do something different. I think that lack of transparency and that lack of context around that is what makes people like Me Black Folks on frost worthy whether they're wearing a body camera, not because I don't think that they follow their own governance in stewardship with that data, because that data's normally just disappears when. Most and what's sad is that there is good that comes out of body cams. It changes behavior when you know you're on camera, and you are the person with the weapon, looking to protect and serve a when you lean on that shroud of ood. Oh we're just going to delete. This are right. That body camera does not matter I'm just GonNa do my bidding and is GonNa. Just keep doing his killing black folks goes I. Fear Them, you know when a twelve year old takes off because they don't trust you. You'RE GONNA. Pull your weapon conveniently. Turn off the camera and say while it wasn't working in. This is what happened. He was the aggressor. She was aggressive so. I don't know what to go with this, but I just wanted to say that. There is a paradox with how society addresses camera based wearables. We're distrusting of surveillance and we're also trusting of surveillance because we have no idea, we have no context. We know that whatever's captured won't benefit us. In the case of surveillance we've I'm walk into an airport and I got mugged. My Mom at Bwi in Baltimore accidentally flashed a bunch cashman. She's looking to pay someone to help. That helped her with her bags years ago back in the nineties. She's never been back to Bwi because. As. She put her handbag. At that desk in order to sort of check in her bag disappeared entire bag disappear. I have no idea what happened. We believe the attendant behind. The thing was in on it. It just disappeared this money she was traveling was. As adults all gone Lonzo. That's why I for one are I'm shaped by this because it's on distrusting when it comes to sue valence, it benefits one side the enterprise, the company the facebooks. And their beneficiaries and stakeholders, but it doesn't affect both of us. You and I right in so sorry I'm GonNa. Leave it there I could go. Yes. That's where I wanted to anchor on a little bit. No I'm so glad that you brought up. The concept of surveillance is actually something that so for one of the podcasts that I do at glitch or that I worked with. Call function with Neil Dash is the CEO and we were gonNA. Do a whole episode this past season about SUV aillance. Maybe we'll get to in the next season, but the interesting thing about surveillance is that it's sort of demonstrates like this defiance against surveillance because you know while the mini are watching the few. The few are also watching the many like in that. That kind of way, but like you said you know in order to truly kind of disrupting than what does it mean to to hold onto that? That data is the data encrypted data can easily be removed, or you know like you said other things can happen because of the data that you get from that, so it's such a such interesting concept I think especially. Now when we look at like stores that are starting to use starting to use surveillance like Amazon. Has These convenience stores I think called Amazon goes stores or something like that where the stores are not really man you just kind of walk in with your phone, and you grabbed the stuff that you need and you just you just check out without having to interact with humans. I almost feel like now in this age of Kobe that. Might start being the norm in a way, but there's a lot of surveillance s to go into that I mean. Of course there's the just digital tech you know reading the packages and all that sorta stuff, but you know what's to prevent them from going in there claiming that the whole store right right and they like with every piece of technology I've been emerging tech for so long that I know that there is. Value and their, unfortunately, where human so folks are going to exploit tack in order to benefit themselves and. Normally that's harming this. Going to be a confluence of regulations are going to have to go in place, and hopefully this movement of folklore hyper sensitive about their data is GonNa talk to their wallets right. These companies wallets in the market is going to judge whether the fail I'm hoping fail or succeed in a market based on on how good they are with our data act, and so the the benefit for the go store would be not necessarily to put you know a store clerk out of business, but to allow the store clerk at scale to do more personable things that humans are. Are. Good, at like just be out in the world to help out folks that may be having a hard time to pick a pick between Doug, or whatever the competitor Deva's right. You know things like that I have when I walk into a store. Right whether it be a ghost or not, like I just don't know where things are being able to use technology to help me out by the same time as you said, folks are GonNa exploited the old adage that I use my talks where I talk about the proverbial caveman. Cavewoman who invented fire I like they strike to rocks together. And you know they start firing. Everybody's all excited. You know jumping around the fire. Like how do you do that? And before they run back to the village, you know one person who wants to exploit the technology grabs. A rock knocks over the person who invented it over the head and you know runs to the to the village and says Oh look. I invented fire now what that story in? It's a fake story of obviously don't know but I. Tell that story. Did you just explain a simple construct to that? The technology in that story is a a rock. Right in fire is the benefit is the outcome of striking to rocks together. You use that to burn down the village. Or not somebody upside the head bud. You can also use that the chainsaws in the. Where you know, fire or lights has sort of shaped the world that we live in today, and so we give facebook I tear. FACEBOOK could new I love I. Love The people that work there, but the leadership and where things go i. give him a hard time, but in times like this and this pandemic I'm not on Facebook, but see the value of being connected when you can't physically season body right, so it's it's very important to way then hopefully the markets that are awards or or punishes companies that take our data. Or what keeps you motivated and inspired these days? I mean what I get just from. Our conversation has entered definitely like a futurist. Like. You're looking to see how we can. Take emerging tech in us. It's help. Like create more. Futures, but what is it that keeps? You inspired to continue with the work. Wow, to do just to center it with this whole covid situation. What keeps me motivated is that? A lot of technology that may have been laughed off as A toy or something? That's not serious. is perhaps one of most important. Some of the most important technologies that we depend on today if you remember just not too long ago, the concept of video calls netted something that companies had come and go been born and died, trying to make work teleconferencing was always promised, and lots of companies failed added hangouts failed. The video immigration in hangouts failed. It's only until recently that once the value in the trend of remote works are going into place min- accelerated by this at Tandam Of Sort of saw the value. Give them the example of other technologies that motivate me right. Every person with an iphone or a android modern android device or Apple Watch or android? The two people who use android watches me being included. In, you often have contactless payments right sort of that NFC, secure NFC feature so another attack another piece of technology in this time in these tough times that motivate me are mobile wallets and point of sale systems that are touch, so I don't have to really exchange average. I don't have to touch can have a wallet, so I'm just sort of just going through, but you know you can think about it. From a couple months ago years ago. What happened you in that was? Nobody used that I would love to see. Of usage starting from this year, another one would be say connected fitness hardware Telecom Peleton came out the commercial oh yeah. Months, AGO Super Bowls. Yes, SUPERBOWL AD and everybody's making fun of it, but that may everybody making fun of it, so you can go to the gym right now. You could swing it. You probably get Peleton in sort of socially workout through that connected fitness software. Now they get the last laugh, right? Sisters like you know the the Alexa Google home that kind of stuff. Yeah, home pod! Like I think about people who are these Latin ability who are sick in bed? are stricken by this Kobe. They can't get up. They can't go and turn on the light or they. Can you know? Turn on the TV. That kind of stuff, but just speaking to a thing. To Be inanimate object on now brings. Some sort of assistance to them through these assistance baked into these things. Like this is just some examples right like the what motivates me about like where things are that things that may have been laughed at with any technology I don't know who to attribute this do every good idea starts out as a joke until people start seeing value in it. Yeah, all right. I used to say this when I was running a startup because i. get that a lot like we'll google glass, make it all right especially. When when months passing hadn't dropped him twice out, always say society of the market won't use it if they don't see value in it, but contradict you know as a paradox, they also won't see value in it if they don't use it right and it takes like at a situation like this where you have to use something in order to see value in it, so that's where we are today. Nine motivates. Where do you see yourself in the next five years? What kind of work? Do you want to be doing? I'm at this moment the way I who knows is the short answer, but I see a lot of reward with helping folks and where I am currently have been Tara, is is definitely rewarding in that sense out with a lot of the projects that they were on as I definitely. See Myself there unless I get bitten by the startup bug again with an idea that I can prove will work, and so have five years is probably too short horizon, the sal proud still be doing that altruistic bs that stocking up with. Just to kind, wrap things up here. Where can our audience find out more about you and about your work on my? I am on medium. Post once a month, but I've been lacking lately so medium dot com slash at Noble Akerson. That's my full name and it'll be a e. Selanne also on twitter by same name Noble Akerson. You'll see me cross post stuff to twitter, and then distributed to medium where there's a paywall, so a lot of people don't see it, so I put on my website, which is nobles? That page nobles that page webpage all right sounds good. We'll noble Akerson. I WANNA. Thank you so much for for coming on the show. I mean I sort of had an idea based off of your bio like Oh these are the things I wanNA talk about, but I was really not prepared for how both wide and deep this conversation. Conversation went in terms of not just your own story, and your personal motivations Behi- Emerging Tech, but also just your thoughts on how these technologies are affecting our society I. Mean we're in a time right now? Where we're all going to this shared collective experience of the pandemic and locked down the downturn in the economy and stuff and tech kind of seems to be the one industry that is almost say flourishing in light of it, but it seems to be doing pretty well or at least coming up with new innovations in so. To hear your thoughts on, not just where we are or where we can go with these things I think is is really inspiring. I'm so glad to have had you on the show to talk about this, so people can really see your expertise in the subject matter, so thank you again so much for coming on the show. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. Huge thanks to Noble Akerson and of course thanks to you for listening. You can find out more about noble and his work to the links in the show notes after vision path dot, com. And of course, thanks to our sponsor for this episode facebook designed. 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PPP63: We Made It Through 2020, Let's Get After It 2021!

People, Process, Progress

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PPP63: We Made It Through 2020, Let's Get After It 2021!

"If you wanna hear people's stories from all walks of life if you wanna learn from their process that helped them through good times or strife if you wanna make progress in your home at work or other areas of your life. You've come to the right podcast and i'll be your host. My name is kevin panel guiding teams through tough times is what have done most. Thank you for listening if this is your first. Visit not to disappoint. If you're a returning subscriber well let's get to the point. Let's get started with this episode of the people process. Progress podcasts in three two one two episodes sixty three. We made it through two thousand twenty. Let's get after it. Two thousand twenty one. I'm just going to share some numbers in what we did. And how you help. Make the show a success in my eyes as we encroach on thirteen thousand downloads and reaching people across the globe sharing stories and templates and hardships and discussions. And just thank all of you so much for helping. Validate this medium for me for the thoughts that i share for the guests stories that i shared. And just we're gonna keep it going and twenty twenty one. There's more to come. Arctic guests lines up some really exciting folks that i think you'll really enjoy some more of my two cents the foundational five things. But let's talk about this show and break it down and give you some behind the curtain scoop. And a little doting on myself and those. That helped me get here. This podcast stream has a total of one hundred eleven episode. So i used to have a show called the between the slides podcasts. My first thing. I focused on incident command system stuff public safety. That's what i knew. Transitioning kind of into the project management field and then grew from there got into doing interviews. And so i had forty eight episodes of that show. There's been sixty two episodes of this people process progress podcasts in so since my relaunch in january of this year word almost thirteen thousand downloads. My goal as a brand new podcast was ten thousand with the first between the slides had almost seven over year and a half in just this year. Which isn't quite done yet. The full calendar year for me start We've beat that so thank you so much. That's just a a target. So who's listening to this show. While sixty four countries have hit click order downloaded or some variation of that and again. Thanks to blueberry statistics. Blueberries the hosts b. l. u. b. r. y. Of my podcast. They're great sixty four countries in the top three countries that listen to the show united states. So go america. I am american France and germany. So thank you to our european friends there. And there's other countries as well and i'll share more of that breakdown. I do every now. And then but that's the top three in the united states. Virginia my home state where i live california and then texas of the top three states which is pretty cool right. We're in forty five out of the fifty states. So i got a got to work a little harder and get some more good content for the folks in those other five states be cool to have every state have listened right and what about in the united states what. Us metro areas and these breakdowns again from blueberry stats. Awesome roanoke lynchburg. Which is where i am. Which is where. I belong so geographically richmond. Virginia petersburg area which is where i came from. Which is where. I have a lot of roots and then los angeles right. We're have no roots. Where i've never even been so again. Podcasts reach everywhere. And if you let people tell stories if you provide good content if you have a good conversation i think this is just a medium that we can all use to get better and it's made me better and again. Thank you all very much. And so another part of my data breakdown with my podcast. Because it's good to know right. Data driven solutions is what category. So it's called people process progress. So i went through each of my episodes and categorize them into people process progress. Go figure about even on the breakdown of of the downloads across those kind of categories. And here's how i groups. Oh people episode is guest interview. That's pretty obvious or anything that i self reflected on or focused on how we people could do better including myself i put in the people category process pretty straightforward how to write incident management team systems stuff project manager for other things things that you know articles. I read our podcast into that. I translated Here's how we could use these things and then progress personal and professional improvement. Anything that focused on it whether it was me personally interviewed one of those. My sent sessions would seem to be popular so again. Thanks for listening my two cents. Everybody but that's how i broke these down. And so that about thirty. Five episodes focused on people and again that's interviews and self-reflection kind of things forty six focused on process so that was the highest. That's about eleven more than the people that's again how to do things. Step-by-step those kind of things so and for progress about thirty so the lowest there but focused again on how we can personally and professionally improve ourselves. And i always look at myself that way and i think that's a good way to go through particularly this year right. This year was tough but it was an opportunity. There were many opportunities through hardships through the push in medical innovation vaccine innovation through the spotlight on racism through the spotlight. Also on politics in the media pandering just so many different things right but for us personally. How could we have made ourselves healthier this year. How can we do that in the next few months. Because we're going to be home for awhile. Home gyms push ups all that kind of stuff. I've talked about here. That's what we should look at. I think not. Just oh my god. I'm glad the years over frankly. I took advantage of this year. From the standpoint of we are home we have internet let share knowledge and make each other better. So how did i do that so through. Some of these shows indirectly through linked. In which again reach out to me kevin only then peony l. l. e. mail me people process progress gmail.com happy to share resource. So i shared resources templates planning tools from public health and public safety. Time with folks. The lincoln from all across the world. I helped where. I work in kobe. Surge planning and technology deployment and other things and shared with other folks. How do we do project management in the public safety emergency management world war. It's not quite translated. Which i think is a great crossover right. It's where i came from into proper project management and again people process in progress. If you can focus on those things if you can sure there's some specific techniques in there but that's huge and again those foundational five things right. Let's no our leaders intent. Let's get those objectives. Let's create that organizational structure. Let's coordinate resources. Let's communicate communicate communicate that translates between emergency management project management incident management. Whatever kind of management. Whatever kind of place you are. That's huge also super fortunate that other folks decided that that my two cents and my background and my thought was worth their time particularly craig row of the people with a passion. I was on episode thirty one passion for process. We call it where he and i touch base. he's australia. We found each other through the internet. Said yes let's have a chat look forward to catch up with craig is now focusing on something called od swoosh in. Screw that up craig basketball. She's a basketball coaches while. But that was a great discussion folks from around the world which is always a challenge synchronizing times and things but it was a great discussion. I think so. Check people with a passion. He has many other good episodes as well both video and audio series on the podcast platforms in on youtube. But again craig. Roh people with a passion. I was fortunate to talk to james gearing. Someone i look up to in the podcast space. Who started in a fire medic From the uk and in america for a while. Now in who tells people stories had people that i admire like tim kennedy and jaakko willing and many many other people ordinary folks right with extraordinary stories on episode three sixteen with him us talking. We recorded a few months before big surge stuff. So i look forward to catching backup with james and setting up some time with him particularly to talk his book. One more light. And if you haven't read it by james gearing checkout amazon one more light james gearing. It's a fantastic book. Especially if you've been in the arena. We've talked about this from roosevelt. Teddy roosevelt roosevelt. Man in the arena. If you've been in public safety or even the military if you've run calls you've seen hardships. His book will speak to you. It'll be just like you're sitting there talking with your spouse or reliving memories some good some bad but it's well worth a listen so check out one more light from james gearing checkout behind this show podcast it's fantastic selfishly check through sixteen. 'cause i'm on it. I think we had a good chat and got along well and then. I was fortunate to talk to the guy in charge of blueberry. Who hosts my podcast. Todd cochran with podcasts insider on episode one ninety seven talking about what's this people process progress all about where the name come from. What do you do. And he was a navy guy. Aviator i was a navy corpsman. So that was a cool experience. And then i got to be featured in. Ems one where early on. I had been remote working For about a year over year maybe when we all got kind of locked down the first time. So i had some tips for folks who weren't used to staying home and working and teleworking and getting up and getting dressed and getting after the morning to get the blood pumping and all that kind of stuff and that was helpful and and got to share with a company called methods and best practices of what we did where i work. How to deploy smartphones devices for inpatient use to support things to cut down on us and communication and it was just a really really cool opportunity to feel things and so by saying that one. I am proud of that work. I did but what i want to think about is. How can we do that. Now how can we do it next year. How can we leverage this seemingly horrible situation which the death and the sickness and all that is horrible. It's certainly is so. How do we chip away at making it better for everybody else. I think that's really important. So how do we do this year. We started off little slow. Spiked up. Highest month was was july With a couple of thousand listens which is amazing to me. And we're averaging between nine about nine hundred or so listens. A month was awesome. Which again is all from you all. I wanna make better content to have more stuff that you all want to listen to more people that you want to hear from and i'm accessible as i say people process progress dot com. Oh my contact information. Is there but thank you so much for helping me get through this year for helping this show grow for telling me that what i'm putting out there. What the stories that. The people i talked to are sharing is worth the time and i commit to doing even more and better next year and hope we can all do that. Both in our personal professional lives and over this holiday season. Whatever you celebrate from. It's christmas and new year's do what you're comfortable with safety. Wise right. wash your hands one hundred percent. Get some rest unplugged from whatever job it is. You have if you don't have a job. Maybe it's an opportunity for you to get mental rest as you're searching for one. Look at your health. We know from cova underlying co morbidity of of obesity and smoking and and some of the conditions that can be helped from better fitness in health. Are things maybe we could focus on. We all have to do it together. Though we can't be pointing fingers at who did what and all that kind of things. There's there's certainly a huge fans. I've said here of after action reports of being objective of being honest frost america coming together this next year and the next few months in particular is key so that we can all make progress. We're all people. We may look different. Believe different things. There's a process to us evolving humans particularly in america for us. Getting to where we are in that process has been hard but we are gonna make progress together. Thank you all so much. Stay safe out there. Wash those hands. One hundred percent and godspeed.

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EP35  Dan and Bob Discuss Weight Training for Youth Athletes

The Morning Brushback with Dan Blewett

1:17:48 hr | 7 months ago

EP35 Dan and Bob Discuss Weight Training for Youth Athletes

"The. Song. All right. Bob I think we're live. Happy Friday everyone. It is June twenty six. Two Thousand Twenty. And Bobby the year just got a lot better. Do you know what I'm talking about? Not Baseball, there is a really phenomenal. You don't know what I'm talking about I. Guarantee this. I have no idea. But I'M GONNA screen. Share this. This is like made my morning. It just has me. It has me giggle heavy Gillet giggling like a girl when I woke up and checks a minute so. I'M GONNA share. This thing so if you haven't seen this. Experts call for regulation after latest botched art restoration. Spain and hopefully you can see on. Video so in Spain. This guy had the copy of this famous artwork called A. I don't know what it's called, but it's. Well! That's the name Bartolomeo Esteban Mario. as as he became the latest in a long time, art works suffered damaging and disfiguring repair. So this you know this beautiful woman is in his painting. I guess he gives us his art restorer. Who really dislike does furniture made twelve hundred euros clearly not enough, and he basically just seems like you wiped the painting cleaning and then redrew himself. It looks of. D-, it is absolutely absurd, so if you're listening to this on on audio, please do me a favor. Google art restoration, Spain or restoration fail. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's like taking a photo beautifully done artwork, and then dislike making it into what a fifth grader would paint. At least I can appreciate the one of the upper right like at least he's got the head tilt a little bit. Yeah, the second one that had it's completely forgot what it looked like. Like the it's. Not then a little. And then they referenced this other one called bit which they call the Monkey Christ. which was this very photographic. Photo of Jesus Christ that was eroding away a little bit ends. They got a restored run away a lot more, and then they painted over it and it looks like. He's like sticking out his tongue. Interval, it's from two thousand twelve, and apparently it draws a big crowd because of how absurd it is, it's hilarious so. This morning. It's the best thing that in twenty twenty this far answer. Those are pretty good. It's amazing. It's amazing, so be sure look that up. If you're out there in audio land Bob I What's new in your neck of the woods? While, I just pulled up a, we're talking about our previewing. Are Tuesday podcast with Richard Skank and Jeff Frye? And I have brought up to you that a reminded me of kit movie kingpin, and when they play the song showdown show. Effort to to to to to. were big earners were they like a flash back and forth to the bracket to the showdown, and bigger hairs, all over the place, and I'm not good at screen shot, but I've got big earns texture up and his hand. Is there's everywhere I Rueda's. Rose Ball it's. Murray's. Scenes in movie history. It's a it makes me so happy. I love the hobby so much as I mentioned this now I don't know how to share my screen at the bottom of the big green button friend. You've disabled my screen. Sharing Ability I'm Gonna I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA. Enable it right now. I don't know how to do that. Can't you screen share? advanced sharing options all participants. All right, my friend. Time to shine. A sharing will be listening. This is my first screen sharing i. I mean it's perfect. It's perfect. That's exactly the picture when I see when I think of Kingdom. It's such A. It's such an underrated movie like there's still people that haven't seen kingpin, but it's just it's just incredible. That was my walkouts all my last year in baseball. Look showdown, which is Hilarious, which I pitch terrible, but. It, was it was the best because bobby? What were your walkout songs over the years? Let's let's talk about this a little bit so. In the beginning of my career like my second third fourth years with the Orioles. I changed my walkouts on pretty much. If not every game every home stand. So I, went from like I. Had Lady Gaga like boy bands? Are Kelly pickus random ninety song ahead and then right before call maybe came out like to get huge. I had heard it. I don't know why. Younger sisters whatever. I heard the song I'm like this. Is the song call maybe like absolutely so that was my song for a while like that was probably my. That was my favorite walkouts on I had that for the whole year and then when I got the ball, it was it ended up being a my kind of party by. Jail Ding. Had that for a couple years, and then when you go to Europe, they don't even have announced now by college do in College We did one in College I. Don't remember Sometimes they picked him for you. wasn't exactly like. The front of the line with a did they have music then. Are you allowed to dance and you're one of those schools? No. They just had like the one speaker that was always real fuzzy, so it's like why are we might even have this on? Try and play music, but it's more static than using. I miss the days when I was in the bullpen with. Our friend, Sean Tuffnell did you play Sean tough. Gambling did mets royalty Yeah Sean? Shuffle his dad is tim tough. Who was the? Bench coach Third Base Coach for the mets for a while I was, he played for like the miracle. Mets Big Leaguer. And Shawn's a great did of very devout Christian and went to Liberty University and I would just pick on him relentlessly about liberties. Policies which they're not as strict, there's schools where you're not allowed to do lots of normal stuff. was like Sean. How did you manage for years without being allowed to listen to music Dan Music. Dawn! When did you learn to dance I know they outlawed dancing at Liberty University but like so, how did you figure that out as an adult? He's like Dan. We're allowed to dance. Sean. How did you reach Your Wife Lake? Aren't aren't they? A male female like you're not allowed to even smell a woman in liberty is Dan. Fun, by my favorite lives, I lived in Lynchburg. Lynchburg had a minor league team to Ah, when I went to the braves. I lived in Lynchburg Virginia. And its high April. At May HEMI SET UP IN A. Host family very nice woman. Her house was that it was actually glaus on fifty acres. It was self sustaining house. So collected the rainwater like heated itself through the ground. But there was at this. Time. We're like cell phones kind of new guess like two thousand twelve, and they had no cell phone reception, so I got moved up to Aa like. I don't know supposed to give the phone call. Ten Am and I didn't leave my house until like what because why would I go to the field that earlier? There's nothing to do Lynchburg. At. Like four voicemails from the trainer. Like where are you answer your? Phone like your get moved up. Get on a flight. And I'm like I'm sorry gets. Put me up in the middle of the woods. I got nothing in here. I'm sitting on basement. So. It was like get Lynchburg is there is nothing like liberty? University is Lynchburg Virginia that in the tractor supply. My parents came. We literally went to tractor supply one because we had never been there, I had never even heard of it. As a twenty three year, old and two, there was nowhere to go. Interesting Yes oh my walkout songs! I. Don't think we had them reading a lot. We weren't allowed to pick them early in my college career when I was number one on the staff, which I was never good in college. That certainly not a brag. When our number one I'd like sixty are terrible. I chose because you always have. Here's the here's the the route you can take with walkout songs. You can choose some that a pump you up something to make you look cool. which could be the same or some? The please be a crowd pleaser. And so the more secure I think adults it's. It's not a security issue, but. You learn overtime. You don't really need to be pumped up by the song. To do your job well, I think. But. You can still have like a song of so anyway. As Junior College I chose that Song Like Ladies and Gentlemen by Saliva of your that wants duties in gentleman like Israel pups on like if you're walking. Yeah. In hindsight. I cringe I cringe about that. Before that it was when the levee breaks by led Zeppelin which is a phenomenal, some sun on debt, heavy drumbeat, which they actually recorded that song. That when they record it, they had like the drums down the basement or something to this far away. echoey sound, which is really interesting. And then it evolved over time. Some usually have a walkout song pro ball. Some usually don't depends in relievers kind of overlooked because they're like doing south between innings sometimes with the crowd, but my I think my favorite was a showdown, but I pitch terrible by a different Zeppelin songs I had warns Yvonne. Where Wolf in London one year, which is also crowd-pleaser which I chose because one of my coach in summer ball, said he used that, and he said the reason. It's cool. Dan is because if you get one of those long innings, so he was a hitter. One of those long at bats were they swap pitchers as you're coming up the play like a lot of the song. An empty will in the crowd are gone. Oh, where we'll start singing along. Everyone starts howling in the stands is very so I chose that one those fond for a year, but I like the crowd pleasers personally I think I think you. WanNa have people. You know, and that's clearly obviously a lot of your motive. Call me maybe hundred up, but it's good to the crowd dislike, feeling, goofy, and silly and associating something fun with a certain hitter. I think that's a good way to do it why Clark Kazak Clark was I think he was t mind when I had that song and it was just. Like, everybody enjoyed it the people. Even the guys in this in the dugout because it's like it's not supposed to be a walkout song. Right like you're not. A grown man should not be coming up walking onto the plate every time with call me maybe or or the backstreet boys just blaring through the stadium. But, yeah, the fans seemed to enjoy it. Depend on. Yeah, they're not really paying attention otherwise. They're just there for the hot dogs. Yeah it also depends on your. It's also kind of like you dress like like bobbies, a good looking dude, if bobby worse silly, some silly shirt to the bar and I, he could pull it off because you like. Oh, he's clearly like a good looking guy. He's being. He's being silly right, but if you're just kind of nerdy girl, like maybe you don't like, exude that I have some kind of style. And then you were something weird like that. Just terrible taste like was he doing? It's the same kind of thing. We've walkout songs so I'll give you an example in college. We had a guy who. He, like he wasn't funny or like really that fine, he was kind of weird and like we had like saint strain suspicions about him. But. He chose ace of base. As his song. Like I saw the sign and it wasn't. A No, but it wasn't that situation, but that's the problem it was just like. Why. Why did you choose that like oh? You're the worst. It wasn't you know what I mean. He wasn't one of these is. Yeah and it just didn't fit his personality where we thought like. This is really how you feel inside like your weird. Like this is just you being strange? Not You being like? Thirty to be fair like ninety percent of the teammates I've ever had just show the Sonnen Lincoln through country guy chose countries on that you like if you're. Sitting or chose wraps on that. You liked or something hip hop song. Most of the people shows normal songs them that either they lights. They necessarily pump them up or that. We're just maybe like bachelor song like the Latin. Guys always had songs that I felt like. There always. At nobody knew what the people were saying in the song, but it was like a Gotcha like Oh. This is got some energy to I think it's also kind of like waving their flag a little bit when they come up to like bringing just like you know pride from their homeland, which I certainly get like I can't imagine how it feels to be in a foreign country, your whole baseball career. You know I think that's I think that's for them to have branding their culture up every time they come to the bat. Get School I'd I did it was granted? It's a little different. Obviously I'm going to Europe, but it's tough. I mean not speaking the language awhile, and and plus a lot of these kids come there. Sixteen years old seventeen years old. to the US is not easy I mean it's really not, and they'll get enough credit for they definitely don't get enough credit for acclimating themselves to basically here. You'll live on your own a lot of us go to college. We live on our parents are. An hour away to drive. These kids are coming from an island to place, speak, the language may not really making any money and told I k find your own housing. Or your own food and make sure that you understand everything we're saying because Repeat it to you. Which is insane, actually insane. So. Yeah, it's it'd be interesting to hear more of the story of the A lot. The the Latin players and what they go through it'd be. Really interesting. I know that stories will have been told that well. Of what it's like to be. Hey America I'm sixteen. I got half a million bucks or something, but. order. Dollars rightly way yeah. The money wasn't really relevant, but yeah happenings. The more money is is helpful, because sometimes you bring somebody with you like you know that stays with you or whatever ask. Your Young Kid. Meg like treated like a hot caprice will gig on a college in the US. There's plenty -cause leave school. Come home. Homesick in. They don't fit in or the all kinds of crap. Magic GonNA. DO REVERSE SEND A cow Dominican when he's seventeen inches. Tell them to figure it out. The Song Yeah make sure you don't go into these areas like this bad neighborhood. They can't tell you. It's bad neighbor Understand what you're saying. It is daunting thing for sure So if you're out there on twitter or youtube, hello shoot a comment or question and we'll answer on the show also. Please Jumble Ni- tunes. Leaves Review Tell us that we're great. It's it's good for our egos. Are Egos are very fragile these days, so it helps to be helpful. We appreciate that thanks say something Nice. So on the agenda today was about lifting in Czar Ball, which is important I think people probably have less of an idea how to get this right? Than ever before so complicated with even have equipment. Are you going back to the Jim Mike? Would you do if you missed a lot of time? It's complex or chat about that a little bit. Rossi until how stupid because. It's really stupid They're gonNA. Play just great, but. yes, we're told that a little bit, and then what else on our agenda there Robert. I'll probably just start off few questions at You don't really necessarily like you're going to answer because. I'll start while. WanNa, before we go the lifting stuff is number one. Richard. And Jeff on Tuesday. This is gonNA. Be is a highly anticipated Virgil cage match. How do you feel like this is going to go, bobby? I. I think it's GonNa go. Totally fine. Like, there's GonNa, be some shots fired. I'm sure you know verbal shots but I. Think it's actually didn't go well I and I will stick to my original assessment than I'm the spectrum of. Hitting baseball people like if it's former, bigly resigned one side and strictly analytics on the other. That Richard Jeffer- very close to each other on that on that spectrum. And I just don't think they've ever I mean. Jeff obviously went into this whole twitter thing. You know what he started five months ago, start becoming more prominent twitter going after some of the guys at teach hitting a you went into a blind essentially and I. Don't know if he's ever linked looked into what richards ever said about hitting. Responded from afar, but they're very. I feel like they're very close. And maybe I'm wrong in I think it will go a lot better than people expect I know everyone expects fireworks. By all means like shoot from the hip by those guys but I think is going to go. I am positive. that. It's going to go well. I think it's GonNa. I think it's GonNa be on this. Go less combative than you would expect for sure because Jeff was very very polite on our show. Not Not not yeah, not that he wouldn't have been, but his. His twitter persona certainly wasn't presented with us. But I think they're so far on the other side of the continuum. League Jeff doesn't WanNA talk about mechanics. He just wants to talk about the mental side of it. Rich just wants to talk about his side of which is his view of the hitting mechanics, but he's not gonna like. He's not gonNA, get into debate about hitting approaches. He doesn't teach that and he's clear that so I don't really know what yeah. That's lists can act right and know what's going to happen like what the point has kind of mean. This was your big deal, but. And I I don't know I don't know I'm not sure how adjudicate. If like the judy comments, come out because their ridiculous like they make no sense you can't. It doesn't matter what you think about baseball if you succeed in the major league level. For many years. There's nothing anyone can say. The point of it is being good at baseball and Jeff was objectively that. It doesn't matter it like if you your role might have been different if you grow if you played today, because if you play in today's game, you would have grown up kid in today's game like Jeff's development as a player. If you'd was born in Nineteen, ninety, two would have been completely different than his development player being born in. Seventy two or whatever you Alan. How Old Jeff! So it, it doesn't make sense. We talked about this and the other on our other episode, where like Jesse Owens won of the best track athletes of all time renaissance, seven hundred meters back against that he's like the slow Pansy. No, he's one of the great athletes ever lived. And if you had if you had grown up in same thing, if was born nineteen, ninety two, he'd be one of the best sprinters I'm sure by all means today as well. I, mean he didn't he? Didn't he? Run that ten seven on blocks. My Dad was chat about this day. Here he didn't he not. On the line. They have blocks back then. I'm actually crazy. Pretty sure that's the case. But I think it will go well I think it's. Like. They're not even necessarily arguing the same thing. Like jihadism same thing Judd the snake oil salesman. The ones. Jesse Owens did not have starting blocks. Which is, that's actually? How fast would he have been with blocks? Yeah, that's a majors I mean the the. Blocks. Match the angle that your body that low body angle that you take off with. That's huge. You're shoving in the exact direction. You WANNA go instead of shoving it kind of into the ground. I mean that's a big deal for sure. I think it's GonNa go I. Think it's GonNa. Go well. I think they're going to both. Linda both make their points like. I'm not sure they're gonNA I still not sure they're gonNA like. Go head to head on. To to to to do, I'M GONNA make. I'M NOT GONNA be like this on the podcast I wanted to make my avatar the bigger in the crack. With the with the Rose, I mean the amount of calm the amount of Dry Humor from bigger and that I just didn't want to lose to a guy with a hook. Seems to be heeds. And the all the commercials were. He's on TV and he's been talking about him. Helping single mother families in need is comes up. Like puts his hand on her breasts. It's it's just like unbelievable. In the little kids like sometimes wake up, MR, mccracken's already there is like. Good grief that show that movie is amazing. It would have been. It would have been canceled today's world for sure which I would love to get into cancel culture, but it makes I just I'm very over. Everything in the world top time. Toppling I don't I don't i. don't Understand I. Mean Will? They pulled down a statue in? was in Minnesota knows who is Madison Wisconsin that was like an abolitionist. I mean. I don't understand what's happening at. This point isn't even like everyone. Everyone was everyone was like you idiots like why did you do that? This was a person who is completely anti-slavery and you pulled on their statue like. Do you even know what you're doing? He's on your cell phone. With you I mean hundred percent get like. Let's get rid of you know we need to stop honoring the confederacy hunter percent like hundred percent and allow the statues were erected, because they want to stick it to people, hundred percent agree with all that, but like they pulled down one in Madison Wisconsin and I was reading about him like I. Don't know any master Wisconsin, but they're like. That's The statue down. That doesn't make any sense. Either I don't WanNa get into cancer cultures. It's it's an insane thing right now, but. Yeah Bill Murray continues to be a national treasure. Just show up in your house, your dishes, the show, but your wedding get a photo. Just looking around. The man of mystery doesn't have a cellphone you have to call. His is landline. Leave a message. It's crazy. One wasn't the other was at one statue. Statues pulled on a mass and I. Think the other one was a by. She was like A. Like a lady of freedom or something, and it was created by by a female sculptor. Let's! TRY NOT TO I. Try not to follow solid craziness. But my other thing that I want to talk about is i. get this email service. Bobby and I'm pretty. It's pretty interesting. Have you heard of hey, hey, dot, com, H., e. y.. No, but I'll be looking up right now, so I listened about it on the Rico decode broadcast. Which is by care? Swisher also listened to pivot which is by Karen Scott Galloway. But they had the CEO Company basecamp. Basecamp Isley collaborative software that is used by web developers typically. When we got our first website built for us, which was garbage many many years ago. This is when I realized we should be building. All of our sites are so I built my first blog into the other night. And then when I took my business partner Lucas, and we rebrand award academy. Where like we need a big boy website. We paid five grand for website that we could make ourselves surprise. US was very stupid. This two thousand eleven. I. Mean Five grand was. More mountain more money than it is today. It's still not a small amount of money. But I, so we may talk about this company. So when we did that. I had been dislike puttering around the web and I'm like Oh. Wow, this guy's websites really cool. It was fitness guy that wrote for a t nation DOT COM which is a site that I was writing for at the time. And I'm like this website also might score the bottom i. find out you know is made by Blah Blah. In our reach out to him that hey, we're looking for website. I saw this one looks looks really cool. And Clearly, it looked very different than other sites is very slick. And assumed that this company was just creative. That's kind of like what they did. And you'll give idea and they like. Make into the school thing not at all. Basically I end to tell them everything that we wanted and everything about how it should look, and they kept coming back with like blank white websites. I'm like what I'm like. I'm giving you the feel that I want I literally had to pick out everything it was like being in a two is hiring tears. It's like hiring an interior decorator, and then you have to pick out every piece of furniture and the paint color and everything like. Isn't this your job? Like literally was a maddening experience they were. They were bad about communication. They're about about pretty much everything. and I mean sort of Soju. On the beach we'd deleted that website a year later and built up another one ourselves. That worked way better, and it was way nicer. It was really irritating. I went to the same thing I had I actually had one of the DADS building one through. It might have been wordpress. He did he did nice chiming at like a basic framework of it, but then he just gave me the log in and any like violin to put like news on. There are like host, tryouts or something then I had to do it, which was virtually impossible. I'm computer illiterate like anybody. That's watching this. Dana's doing all of the tack on this this podcast like uploading it other than posting a few posts on the website. Damn doing everything the website the. audio all that stuff. So like I gave money to do it, but then it now. I'm like sitting there, okay? The website was built and I was just clueless on how to work it. Trying to self teach, which is not easy. I use like a framework website now. They built it out the it's almost got drug plug and play type deal. It's you pay you pay a yearly subscription? They up to four, but it's a little bit better than my. Wink syrups squarespace.com which are also fine like I've used those before length. They're okay. They're not good for like high value websites, but just throwing information out there. Yeah. This is like my area of expertise. Actually do this on the side, and so you should tell me that what you better website or would it help? You maintain yours because yeah. Well. It's one of those things where you don't realize. You take for granted cumulated just like anything else, but I've built probably fifteen websites over the years and. So, it's a relatively quick thing for me to jump in and do, and there's also lots of little things that can make it the the next amount of better just like in baseball be. You can have a really good swing and have a lot of power, but you're just like not really that good yet until you really learn little the little nuances and that's a lot of how websites are. Talking to a friend about this recently in, and she was going to maybe do a wickes website. I'm like. Don't do it like not for long term because of the search engine optimization, a lot of those little things that you can control which do take a lot of time. There does not nearly as nearly as good and. It's weird evolution. But how do we get on that topic? That's the request. This is Dan top I, don't I don't remember. Oh, so the also the emails, so this services interesting it costs a hundred bucks a year which I get a free a free trial, if the sign up for like an invitation code, but I'M GONNA. Pay For it, but it basically strips out a lot of different stuff, and it categorizes your email to like five different bins, which is really cool so basically any new email that comes into your hey, dot com inbox you get a little notification in in the APP itself and says. Hey you first time center you click it. You can read the message, and then it says. 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My one question would be on phone as an Africa's following the mail. No it's it's. It's its own out so right now I'm forwarding my g mail to the to the hey. Dot Com address also search for you. So basically I deleted all my g mail. My old jamile emails from two thousand eighteen in an earlier. I delete them all. And now only the new jamile emails. My personal email gets sent to hey dot com. or The hey, email address, and then if filters them from there so I'm like I. Keep My g mail. It's not gone because people still email me through it. But. That's GONNA. Help me slowly migrate to the new only. Give my new one out so like. Personal friends or whoever? Check it out. You're rich. Damn that your is year. Well email pisses people off and it's nice to like. I don't know I. Think something's worth paying for some things are not I mean eight dollars is not a lot of money. Obviously does it up I spent a lot of money per year on software as my taxes on. Mount might alarming, but. Well, let's. Let's transition into lifting I. This is my topic for the day. 'cause. I had actually had a couple kids so I had to lifting questions from players this week. One as a kid is going to a prominent division one university and they sent him like hit. They're lifting program for the winter for the off season. many send it to me and he asked me as enough and. Essentially! It was three days a week. an an upper lower total by. and. The forever exercise. It was a max of two sets, and about eighty percent of them were just one set twelve fifteen wraps as enough. And, my immediate reaction was. Not This is just not enough. You're trying to gain weight. You're trying to get stronger. Off Season for the. Is For i? Guess what they give their players for the summer before they come back to campus. And he's shelby supplementing. Workouts and I said look. You know you need to gain weight catcher as like you still need to. Get stronger. A Mike this to me does not seem like enough. So I guess. The real question is at what point do you transition into in-season phase in? Are these youth guys always in a growth essentially growth phase for lifting? Where do you I mean I? Know you do lots good or that? That's a good question. Yeah, I still consider myself a strength coach Of course, anyone can, but. It's a that's a good question when you're young. So, when you're older, so say you're a college age pitcher, and your or you're a high school senior and you need to get seen by people. You Basically GonNa fall into two buckets. Does it really really matter how well I played today, and how fast I am how hard I throw! If the answer is yes, like you're seventeen in high school or your? College Sophomore something trying to trying to get seen. Than than okay. You need to be like real actual in season or a pro guy real actual in season. Where are lifting is tailored where you're not gonNA lose any velocity. You're GONNA be optimally. Fresh enough petite. if you don't fall into that category where your high school kid who's not GonNa, get signed the summer. You can be a little bit worn out and worn out. Find out the right word, but you can be a little bit fatigued. Because we need to grow this summer because next summer summer. So you, have you have to make sure you know what you're doing because you don't WanNa. Go full in season were now were. You. Know trying to just maintain and slow the decline, but really for most kids who aren't yet seventeen years old. They should still be hitting it like re relevant hard, just being smart about it. I mean do you might like Kinda still squat your face off and do stuff. It's really gonNA. Help you get bigger and doing a lot of rowing exercises, but we probably minimize the pushing and some of the stuff. That's higher stress. That's GonNa maybe make your arm little Barky. But in the volume should be a little higher if you're not fully baked yet because you don't WanNa take six months of summer, and not make any kind of gains at all, and you can make some strength gains during the summer you absolutely can. You. Know you're not gonNA pitch every day. You'RE GONNA pitch once a week. Probably Pitcher, right? You'RE GONNA. Play the field a lot. If you're just employer obviously but. You can you can be. You can have tire legs is simpler. You can crush in the gym. Monday Tuesday Wednesday may get a workout Thursday depending and then be a little tired on the weekend. That's and that's okay. Because your long term goals are still. The biggest most important thing, so it just had you. Had you feel about that statement? I I mean I I agree with you. I told him specifically. What. What's the overall goal to feel fresh for the Summer Games? You'RE GONNA plan or to get strong. Get ready for the next chapter of your baseball life and that kind of leads into WHOLE GONNA question from moneyball a Bill Murphy not. Is is what amount of conditioning should incoming freshmen be ready for? I assume he's talking college, but What was your lifting like when you were in college? Are Lifting Birdman was great. However, our summer incoming program was may bar head coach. Who is he I mean? He was living in the seventies still so our our incoming program was. A three mile run three days a week. Follow by. Like fifty push-ups and sit-ups or something like that. And the most throwing your gym sweats ever workout. Ours was in college. It was six ams Monday Wednesday Friday. Afternoon, conditioning Tuesday, Thursday, so sprint work whatever we're doing sometimes distance, but usually sprint work. Five days a week, but still only three days a lifting which didn't feel like enough to me. And that's that's the other question to to cut you off. I had you youth guys I. Ask a lot of them. Like how many guys are lifting like they all raise your hand like we're lifting. How many days a week! Ago How many lifting three days a week, and it's like half the hands four days week like you know ten percent of the hands. For me lifting to gain weight. It was a survey a week endeavor. I mean. Maybe that's a little excessive, but. Saying now now, devil assembling. was the sweet spot right? It's three or four days. It's three or four days if you really work hard, and you have a good lifting program. The six days thing I mean. They're just they're a set amount of volume in the all the old powerlifters. They all talk about how they've gotten older. They start doing less, and they start doing, and it's not because they're older. It's because they have learned that the benefits of hitting it hard five or six days a week which they made it when they're. It didn't really add up to better results. Just add up to more fatigue mentally and physically and more injuries. IT I. Don't see the case for lifting six days a week. Because your muscles, they need recovery, and if you really actually I think really just. The volume decreases as the days increased, so if you're doing six days a week year, certainly not doing the amount of volume that you might do if you really hit hard on three days. What you just couldn't use couldn't so I felt like my sweet spot lifting like when I was GonNa win at a trainer in off season for pro ball, and everything was four days a week lifting with. I always acted six days a week, so the fifth and sixth days were like a yoga or swimming. Some kind of swimming Redan thinks that's rate A scheme, but it was. It was definitely a sixty a week active like actively engaging in exercise. Yeah, so maybe I misunderstood what you meant, but I think that kind of thing is great. If I mean, it's not, you can get. You have to get all of your exercise done on four days and have three com- like completely no exercise. That's certainly not the case. But my my overarching point was if it's like true strength and conditioning in the weight room, squatting heavy. Doing your deliberations. Pushing and pulling. You can't do that six days a week with a with a volume that you would say that. That was a good hard. Our seventy five minute workout. You couldn't do that six days a week and not end up being just burned to the ground essentially long-term. Three four days a week of really good qualities conditioning within like a yoga day or Whether it's your conditioning. Day is another one of the two days off. Whatever that's completely. That's different than that's. That's totally fine, but for young players use it asks if if that's realistic for them as as high schoolers, probably not right, or they're doing stuff with her like they're playing pickup basketball, and that's totally I mean that's a great thing to do on Day from lifting whether playing doing other stuff whatever? I mean the the issue I have with the younger guys like let's say the freshmen Sophomores, juniors high school is they don't understand how to gain weight. Understand like the non of stress that you WANNA put on your muscles to expand them to get the blood flow whatever feel calm like I always use that like I used the benchmarks there. It is I use the benchmark of two hundred rats per whatever body parts you're doing so on so like okay, you guys are doing like. Do Two hundred. Push like you're gonNA. Feel like a little bit of a palm are a pie. Describe a pump as you're biceps feel like they're flexing even when you're not flexing. When you're doing arm workout sound like you need to try and get that with whenever by party, work whether you're doing poll lakes Hartfield in your legs sometimes but. That's kind of trying to break it down for the guys as simple as possible. Bats seems like an easy way, both rep wise and what you're supposed to feel. It's like I'm not trying to offer. Ninety to ninety minutes to two hours. Crank it out forty minutes. If you want just feel a pump like get your body stress in whatever you're pushing bowling legs. I mean I. Get what you're getting at. Two, hundred, hundred, two hundred arbitrary number, is the total artists, and it's certainly not the right number for a lot of exercises, because of using appreciable wait Maria, two hundred reps of like a heavy barbell row, or even like a reasonable weight for barbell known as twenty seven to ten, so a body weight kind of thing sure within the same time you also question like. Why are you doing? Two hundred? Push ups everyday like maybe let's do some heavier. Pushing exercise was no. That's my point. Two hundred reps of any. Push off your to enforce at ten. Than enforce US attend flies. That's eighty wraps right. Two hundred wraps whatever for the day though that's way too much plan. Now No, no, your either way to middleweight huge trying it doesn't. Work that way sunny now gotta get. You're trying to get huge if you're doing two hundred reps of a push of a different pushing exercise. That's literally four by ten times five pushing exercises. That's that's. Insane amount of volume that would take you forty five minutes just to do all those Oh. Yeah, and then you got your back. Forty. Exit Poll. That you're talking about. You're getting into bodybuilding splits, and that's not the way athletes train I mean if you WanNa be I wanNA stirs. Hours well. This is the thing like the way muscles grow, and some muscles are different than others. Is through time, owner tension, but also through the pump. That's a real thing. It's just like What's the word for? metabolic stress. So if you don't have a lot of weight and you want to get your quads to grow, can pump them full of blood by doing tons of squats, and then tons of squat jumps like we felt that crazy burn. That's where you're at the pump you. You do BICEP curls with a thirty pound dumbbell drop. You get a twenty pound. You keep going and get a fifteen pound. You keep going that's metabolic. Metabolic stress. It's pumping tons and tons of blood and nutrients into that muscle to get to do that job. That's one of the tools that bodybuilders us much more than athletes us. It's something that helped get a lagging muscle up to speed a little bit, but that's not the way that you really get stronger. It's not the way more explosive. It's a way to boost up lagging muscle more using the bodybuilding world. which year and all show and no go kind of guy, so the saw all adds up. Some muscles respond to that better than others like the deltoids seem to be one of them. The four arms seem to be one of them. the mid back like those little muscles. Those also are one of them so. It just depends, but you wouldn't do that. As your exclusive meanings means of training, because at some point, your by are sedap to it, and now you're not forcing your muscles to. Increase the work that they have to do like you have to overload progressively overload your muscles on point with more weight more time under tension, not just tons of pompey reps embody voters are grave as they find a balance of all that stuff. They know that they that there's a time to like. Pump some extra blood in there, but it's not. It's not the only thing they do even for bodybuilders. Yeah, but I want my due to get huge. Just, monsters and granted the guys I'm talking about. Honestly like the ones that are the ones that are five foot. Eight hundred twenty pounds physically overmatched most of the time like they need to try to get up to speed. In. This is one of the things I I see lot more with like kids coming up like our. Our senior class in high school when they came in, they were much bigger. Physically I don't know why, but it's gotten progressively smaller like less kids come in physically developed. Maybe muscle tone whatever and I. Don't think it has to do with other like Kim Huber early 'cause. Some of them have sprouted in. They've got mustache. Whatever it's just they're not physically like. Ready to? Handle all that stress said. We're trying to get him up to speed with pushups, or you know just dry squats or something like that I agree with you is not like the end of professional athlete to go to. Two hundred reps of plush. Just no, you shouldn't be telling anyone to do that. Number makes no sense, but as I, mean the the whole point is to kind of get them in the mindset of like. You have to do more than what you're doing. You're doing three cents. Ten of PUSHUPS Your with your workout. That doesn't make it like you're not getting anything out of that. You you you do that when you're ten years old. Yeah, but that's also just adjusting to partner Mike. You wouldn't do three who attend pushups unless you're a young, a young kid who three says, the San is actually hard i. mean the goal of Reps and this is I. Think was misunderstood. The goal of a rap is whether it's sets a tan or sets a twelve or said six you could do maybe one or two more, and that's it so with a push up for a high school boy. He can probably at least twenty pushups. You know if they're like sixteen seventeen pretty athletic lots of kids can't. That's fine like I think it's a lot harder than people realize to do. Good push ups, but anyway if you're a high school like Varsity athlete, you can probably do twenty push ups viewing threes of the ten year just leaving on the table and it's not hard enough for the ten wraps again. The standard is always in again. This does take a long time because understand. If it's vice. Aside it's well that means you could do. Fourteen ribs match before you're gonNA. You're form really breaks down and you're and that's it. That's the right way. And in kids also don't know how to work that hard either. They don't know what it feels like to grind out a three Rep. that's really heavy because they get the way on their back. Like Oh God I can do this once it's like. No, you could three times you just. You don't know how to get out of the whole fast enough with your legs. You don't know how to tighten up. Heart hard enough so that you're safe with that amount of weight on your back, etc, etc, mental. It's mental, and so they learn that, but like I. I. Should the story somewhere I? Don't remember where, but there's a kid who was like a pretty hard worker and our Jim, but I looked I grabbed his workout card one day and I'm like. Well! You've been doing to sixty five on squats for like. A month. The deal. Why have you not GonNa? Wait? He's like I don't know. I'm not working I'm not working hard. which was true? He wasn't not working hard. But I watched him squad and I was like Anna. He basically stopped after his fifth or sixth rap, and he thought it was hard. Okay you're next. Rap We're, GONNA leave that weight on there we're going to do. I think it was like ten or eleven wraps twelve after something. We're going to double essentially what you're doing. Say I can't Geoghegan. I'm the I'm be right here. Mut Spot, you totally fine. And he banged up like thirteen of it, and it was a big learning experience for him, because he thought that six was all he could do, but it really wasn't because I was watching bar speed when you watch feed. That's that tells a lot of the story. His bar speed was still pretty fast. The top like it's definitely getting heavy, but you're not really slowing down. Unit your sixth rap when you say like you're done. Really. Hard squad or really hard del, if the bar speed slows tremendously, it's really hard to grind through that sticking point you watch a world record delegate, take some like five seconds to get off the ground, but still they still finish it. Whereas a lot of kids, they still get the ball off the ground one half seconds. They're done and they say that was hard. It's like no, so that bar starts slowing down actually hard. So. Teasing them what that looks like and what the? Again that's why. If they're doing. Breezes and being done on push-ups yet. They didn't choose the right weight like they need to go. Add some load and be whether it's dumbbell bench press, or whatever so that now ten reps is actually hard for them, but a pushups hard. It's an wraps than sure you a hundred. Or you switch exercises in actually loaded so just depends. On with you, it's it's definitely like obviously I'm just tossing out arbitrary numbers, but I'm just trying to get the the set of you need to do more the two things we always do for testing Three things actually is tested kids in push ups continuous. Push ups so as long as. As long as her hands and feet around the ground and nothing else like there's still allowed to keep going How many can do in a row and pushed? Sit ups in a minute. Someone holding feet. You know just. Can do in a minute. Again mental thing and then bar hang so straight arm. Over like bar hangs from, pull up our. In that one is just straight, mental mental toughness where? Kids as soon as it starts again, a little bit of four on Burnley let go, and then when everybody's watching you all his sudden, it's like Oh. Casey, one kid fight it see another guy fight through it I mean we had a kid who was seventeen, I think hang on for six minutes. That is a long long time to hold your body weight off the ground and you could tell I mean he got off his. He couldn't bend his fingers, but that's like the mental i. don't even know if he's stronger and everybody because the bar hang is essentially A. Power way ratio thing. Yeah, but it's just the just how you know. He gets the four minutes and you could tell it starting to hurt. He gets a five minutes in psychic. Keep on ten more seconds ten more seconds and it's just like a mind. Like shut your mind off and just let your body like see how far you could take it so I really liked it as Arza. Like a testing tool I mean I don't know what the MAR- against bar. Hague's six-minute bar hang to a college. Are GonNa Recruit, you but. It's just more of like. What. What's your bar hangs on? It's it's right right. They can say okay. What's your Bart like your bar? Hang when compared to each other or compare themselves. Did it a minute twenty last time I got two minutes like. Do you probably could have got two minutes last time? It's all mental. It's actually devised a test and it was. It got published on nation DOT COM. It, which is If you're not familiar that site if you're interested in strength, training on the best strengthening websites out there for really in the field. People who are really into industry and conditioning in powerlifting and all that? But. I kind of figured out that. basically I took. This doesn't. This isn't like a comic thing, but. I think it was. You take your Max setup. Push ups. And then. You double it and then you try to do that without your knees touching, you can pike back. And I called the harbour hundred view fifty push-ups, and you have to do one hundred before your knees, touch and sealed bang out fifty. Because that's what you're know you're capable of doing then you'll arrests in the push-up Pike position, and then you'll do twenty, and then it only is almost becomes like an atom no like halves until infinity. And think your last twenty to thirty one and then you pie in rest one, and then you rest one and your essenes, a really tough test to get through right and and your goal is to get it I think back when I was like a freak of nature i. Finished mine. My horrible hundred point was about two hundred pushups. I think I finished. My Best Time was like three twenty or something. On time to be just held up body weight well three twenty s not. Doing pushups but It'll take you ten minutes at first because you might do fifty. Push ups in a minute and then. You do the next twenty in minute, and they do the next five in the next minute. And then you're doing singles like five dollars a minute for a long time. Yeah, it's hard to have the stamina still like bump amount in blocks. That's A. Good Test academy, every, year. And it was never not miserable. But it's a good mental health. Because you can't finish it, you really you almost always can finish it. and it's tailored to the persons. Have you can do twenty good? Push ups than you do forty. That's your horrible hundred right so so yeah off! Earth, thing more. It's not an season thing no, by any means. But like that I do like the the competition aspect of it though. Those little character. Allowing especially, this is pretty miserable. And what I would do a couple, my first summer's back from pro bowl I would try to get myself back to size as quick as I could I would take the first month I also on this. But. I was just doing really really big vying with pushups, situps and front squats. And like pretty much daily workouts and I I'd throw in like five ten pounds again, really really fast. I put on weight easily. Yes, is my genetics, but. I would like pump myself back up like I'll take a blow up doll essentially just just right a month, and I'm like I'm like good, but it was a lot of. A lot of hard work, and there's a lot of like you said that metabolic stress. Doing one hundred push ups in a row you when I can't do that. Many right wing fifty ships day when I can't do that many you know that kind of stuff and. That's hard, but it seemed like I just like. Just get it all back in a month. at least my like base level of strength and size again, and then it's GonNa. Go right back off and kind of cruise. I don't know that I recommend that, but I did that for. I think my first two seasons. Maybe not. I started back off, but. Yeah called the rapid reinstallation plan umbrella. You can read that article somewhere on the web on. The Google that. Google it. People I wrote one site for like. Three or four years while I was playing when I was really. I wouldn't say in like I. Say in more industry training, but it was definitely a a much more of a passion of mine than than does now, but bobby I worked out for the second time, so you're. Regulation `grats I. Did it other gyms workouts? I told you I'm going to that. Crossville, Jim, that's right. That's right 'cause they're. They're opening today in Chicago. Monday. You could be inside, so I want I want Monday and Thursday so when okay actually didn't hate it that much I like did a decent size, work either shortish. Were Cal on one day and then yesterday it was like longer decent three season. Old Man's strength coming at you. So what do you got on this MLB stuff, man? So my anyone should anyone care. Should anyone care? No, nobody should care, but I texted the question. I read on twitter, a new shot me down some Ashram and ask on Air The the one interesting stat that I thought would could come out of this season is. Will somebody hit for under it? Like and if they do have like what are the chances of somebody hits four hundred sixty games because it's still good samples as games, I mean guys have done it to start seasons, maybe for like to the All star. Break in right around four hundred. But is that actually true? Yeah, remember like Chipper Jones up ten years ago was on a tear. He was very different Arab baseball. I and that's probably my point. I would say no because guys zone. Nada hit anymore. Okay, but I mean there's will somebody flirt with four hundred for the whole season, and if they do, will they be recognized as the last hit for entered a not Ted Williams? Will. You know the answer I mean I know you want to play devil's advocate because we talked like this. No one obviously would ever recognize that sixty games the sample size we know more about data and all the stuff than ever so obviously no-one will don't even bother being devil's advocate. Obviously no one will acknowledge that. As hitting four hundred, he hit four hundred sixty games. which is an absurd notion. But no, no one's GONNA. No one's GONNA flirt with it. They're not guys. That's not how they're trying to play baseball anymore. Like three twenty is the new three seventy five back in the day when you and I were growing up where you're watching. In the nineties. Tony Win was in three eighty in September. Right that was that was a thing. And there were like two other guys behind him in three, sixty, five and three sixty. That's not a thing, anymore Mrs. Not with, whom he led the WHO led the league last year was Tim Anderson was like three thirty s for the. An African who led the National League maybe allege was up there like three thirty three fortyish. Yeah to Manderson, three thirty five. Who He's obviously a great player, but still a relative unknown. Christian Yelich three. Twenty Nine Sucks K. Marta Donahue, that is three twenty nine Dj Lemay Q. Three, twenty seven for the Yankees I. Mean Three thirty is not even close to four hundred like not even close right. Now he's not. But so the point like somebody, get hot for three weeks and you go on a tear. I mean you're probably going to be hitting four hundred in those three weeks, and the season is basically nothing at this point. Ryan's only other solely another four weeks. Still Somebody couldn't twenty realistically. Stay. Hot for extended period of, Time. I'm talking like I'm like a true hit or like Miguel Cabrera worries were if he's healthy and he's on fire like this guy. Get hit and he's GonNa. Hit a high clip. healthier now. But. he like he's the guy were. I picture like he's not trying to do too much. She's just he's barreling balls and. Like approvals in his prime site, will you? You wonder if there's going to be if tactically? Hitters were going to approach this differently? From a contract standpoint, so say you're young guy, so you're like in your third year. Not like a big name. You could go back down or whatever Do you. Try to hit as many home runs in sixty games you can, or you try to have the biggest batting average that you can or do not I mean obviously guys are always trying to drive the ball. Sure but. Everyone's these are still human beings, and they still are aware of their stats, so where of their mortality in the game. They're so aware what's good for them. What's not good for them? So what's what's better for you this? Maybe under established player? Is it to say okay I hit fifteen. Jackson Sixty Games. I like I salvaged this year or do you WanNa hit eight home runs and sixty games, which is not not that bad of a total. That's probably place twentyish, right low twenties. Certainly respectable yet. Twenty five homers in the Big Leagues Year Your Dude People don't respect twenties that much, but twenty five runs a lot so in sixty games. You hit nine. That's not a small amount of home runs that extrapolates out to in the twenties so. Are you okay with that, or do you really want to get into double digits? And maybe you change your approach, a little bits of try to make that happen I. Mean who who cares what happens. Does anyone care about the world series I sure don't. Does it. Can anyone so this might just be like individual stats here. Hey, at twenty Jackson Sixty Games. That's good for my career. Will you know to? Rely, that's probably a realistic thing like if you talk about like compared to a year like nineteen, hundred ninety four right, they didn't have a world series, but they had an MVP and I know this goes frank. Thomas was the American League. Like calling base. They had they had a war. It's ride like these counting stats. Someone like Mike Trout. WHO's on record pace for counting stats, hits and home runs, and all that stuff like this is Detroit all big years like he's in his prime either or numbers for these guys by point like rhythm has doesn't even matter like. Are you going to recognize the MVP from this season as like? In a hall of fame voting. Or The while won MVP does not a hall of Famer make, but but but MVP's are like a a real decided. It's A. Very big deal for sure, IT'S A. Baseball especially in of the best player in the whole world for that year, so that incredible thing? Makes Mike Trout so amazing is that he's essentially been the MVP every year like you could give it to him without argument every single year the past seven years. I. Don't think anybody. You could have a little bit of discussion about it, but say no. This guy was definitely not the best player American late because he has been mookie betts that one year where he went off, and he deserved it in McKee or Mookie I'm looking looking. Movie, it's movie. Okay. The strong from unit Mamie son the Dow now that sounds like poop. book Mookie Mookie Mookie Betts Good. Mukhi sounds weird. Pronunciation People Calling Andrew Jones? Andre Jones goes like. Dude. Why are you doing my name's Andrew? Your guys are idiots. It went on for like multiple years it was. That's how you you WANNA. Make them different on drew. It was go strange like literally. The media was just calling him that and then one day. He's like now. It's Andrew Always Been Andrew. Oh. Okay. He. Underrated player by all accounts as well like the best defensive center fielder, was he? There's no like I. was a braves fan in the nineties I love? I mean I love. That team I was on my parents floor I watched them win. The world series I remember where I was. On the ground at the base of their better, they're trying to see, and it was eleven thirty and Like I love I love the Braids and Andrew Jones is incredible. Incredible is I. Don't know that I don't know that. He was underrated though he was, he was widely known as the best center fielder in baseball without question like no one questioned. At in his his time. Just his longevity is incredible. Like wasn't in the Big Leagues at Ninety World Series Of nineteen. Runs Razi. Soda like Juan Soto now is being praised the next coming like. Andrew Jones was younger than him. I think they were pretty comparable in age. Want him as. Well I. Think I think right, but. I don't feel like looking this up, but they're both very young. Andrew. He started fizzle out. Think Early Thirties, so my that may hit. Thirteen years in the big leagues along time, but he started to decline I think he didn't make like he wasn't like a twenty year career guy like you definitely wasn't. He was like a thirteen fourteen year I think and started decline as a couple. But. I wouldn't even take that career thirteen years. He got such good jumps on the ball. And and we had a teammate Michael Rocket. Remember him I do remember Michael, rocket. It didn't play with him. I played against him. Our Mutual Friend Zach says an Mike was like a lower draft, pick blade leg, a couple years and affiliated baldy new Nandy Ball. He's a really wiry, wiry dude. Like not a great hitter. would like a sneaky amazing Alpha were Zach who played in the big leagues and was like A. Ten year, minor leaguer multiple multiple years in double interplay like rockets, the best seller ever seen. He's like. He's like you don't appreciate him because he gets such jump on the ball that he just camps under stuff that other guys like don't catch. and has like you know you're Kinda. Right like he when he has offered ball. It's like he's only infield. How did you get there that fast well, not only. Andrew Jones was he was incredible. Getting reads on the ball and he had the brakes pitching staff, which hit their spots all the time, so he's already in a move towards the right center gap when they're throwing it outside of the plate, that kind of thing, really amazing instincts even -mongst an outfield of major leaguers who all have amazing instincts right? I. I remember Michael Rocket being like a utility guy towards even more impressive right he was, he just had incredible baseball instincts in general, and this is not a person anyone. Listening would know, but he's just a minor league that we played with who was just a like. Just geeked out on defense. He just was he just understood. Will had a going didn't matter where he played. He was just going the right direction the like he found the baseball. That's what he did and Natalie. Like that's that kind of speaks to a lot of minor leaguers We played with guys at your like houses guy not in the big leagues, or why didn't get his shot? I? Mean there's so many the talent. When you get to that level, baseball is absurd like everybody is so everybody is basically one injury away from being in the big leagues, and everybody's probably had that stress where like somebody teammate guy called upper, he played with team, got picked up in the big leagues in a month. Like it, just it. There's the the margin of error in the in how how close talent wise all these guys are is like people don't I don't think people realize. How good even in independent Bollock grits on these some of these guys are actually went to go in the ball in the Penta ball practice yesterday. The Chicago dogs opening I got kicked out for not having Kobe tests. So I got one. Entity. Assam adjectives as Kobe test. Good luck sir see. I've been I've been thinking about getting one, but it's I feel I. Dunno see. Used to get one is to go see my family. Which I haven't seen my sister and my nephew. My law them in since February. Free, Mom David David Newborn, so there's more concern, but there's testing down my street and I could go get one, but then. What's more complicated as? like you go on a date. Right and everyone's doing more things than they used to be doing which is normal, which is good like you go, see you. Go and have a barbecue, your friends, and maybe it's kind of social distance. It's a smaller group than normal whatever but people hang out with each other a little more right where the that's the thing that's happening, which is great, just fine. but even then you start to do like this well, what's so you know? I go on a date, she goes to barbecue their friends. Each of those friends has hung out with their friends. Each of their France with their friends and you're like. All, right so I I saw her on this day, and now it's Tuesday should i. go get a test is even relevant because maybe like. You know the network of people that you're supposed to one person who exposed and maybe many other people. It becomes you know, and then you're like well, if I guess today, maybe already caught it, and it's not even going to register for five more days, so the test. Today's irrelevant and now I go and I. Get my. You know my my sister sick in her family. That's where I'm at mentally were. Everything seems better like I don't fear for this by any means. But, you just start to really think about a month ago or six or two especially two months ago. If I went gotTA tests I haven't seen like one person store like one time. I mean like hung out with anyone. Test is going to be pretty accurate. You know statement of whether I have this today or in a week from now right doesn't matter. What's GONNA happen like? It's a pretty good idea, but today it's more like around more people. So it could be incubating in your body, and it may not show up in the test still how many days later a week later? I don't know what the incubation period is where it can actually actually detected. So, that's where I'm at. We're more complicated even though everything seems better. Here in DC. It's ver-. It's not it's not rampant. By any means, numbers are not increasing their still decreasing, so it's. Like a good city for but. That's where so kinda complicated man when you just start seeing our everyone's out there and their network of people during conduct with growing. Are these tests actually telling me what's okay, and what's not because if everyone else? Know that's fine. It's it is what it is then so be it, but again with my sister's family having a newborn. It's like they really WanNa. Make sure you are actually. Okay, not dislike were okay. If you're not okay kind of thing, you know what I mean. Like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon was the coronavirus You'RE GONNA come in contact with. You, not everybody everybody's got. People that are linked to Kevin Bacon. Yeah so I don't know so. The the tests seemed relevant to me maybe a month ago. I just feel it gets less relevant today. I 'cause. Again the amount of people that you're GONNA come in contact with his starting to increase. And it's problematic, but. which is the same thing with baseball? Like? How are they GONNA do this people surly into get corona virus? It's GONNA become. This adds is just going to become as wacky show I think which will be fun. It almost fun as our Tuesday show with Jeff Ryan Richards Mike Trout's hitting three hitting four twenty, and then he gets corona virus forty eight games in accounts. counts. He's new Ted Williams he's going to be the one to. He's in a pit, even being three eighty. Come like ten games this season I think. Yeah, which to me is not even exciting like you said three eighty was like normal, August for Chipper Jones for like every year for career back in the nineties like. Three seventy five legos as job yet. Chipper Jones was good and thirty five jacks every year. I'm I'm I'm predicting right now. Might Trout Tank Fifty Games in three eighty twenty five tanks? Actually. Chipper Jones a judy. He didn't. He didn't hit fifty home. Right? Richard was chipper. Jones a judy. It's good entertainment for those of you on twitter or not on twitter need to log on twitter I'm sure these lead up the next three days of the very fun. Bobby. What do you know about this new social media site called Parlour. I've been. On Parlor for. A not quite a year, but a law like months the since two thousand, nine hundred and. What do you do there? It's not I. Don't do anything there. It's like an it's like a twitter. Ohio describe it like a twitter off shoot like. My space facebook, it's like alternative to twitter. Yeah, it's like they're gonNA censor you less or something or I think it's just like a concise quote. Unquote conservative twitter, so they're not gonNA. They're not going to censor you as much. They're not gonNA. Block. You know you're not gonNA. D. Platform you. It doesn't work as well as twitter right now like it doesn't sound smooth. It doesn't sound like where you put most of your hate speech on his own parlor. All right, this is where is right throughout my conspiracies. Why we need you to settle down trumping thing. I'm down on Stuart. So it has Tulsa Rally, he goes. I've told my people to slow down testing. Didn't sound like he was joking. Then he comes back. Is Press Secretary? Who's just a wonderful little liar says he was. Says, says that he says he was joking, not many. He says he was joking, and then he gets off a plane and I watched the video this morning. And he says I wasn't joking. We're doing these rambles about testing. Go I didn't honestly sort out for me. I, don't I don't know I didn't see it I was gonna say that it's nonsense. Logic I'll watch of just rea-, but I can say the press secretary is married to a former baseball player for the braves that I was teammates with which is random. I don't know how I found that Alex. She tweeted out a picture of her family and like tags, minute and I'm reading his name. Unlike the CAN BASEBA- did. For the braves. So now she, so he's he really he married. I guess well. If you call that, well, I mean. She's very good I. Mean I think she's actually very good. It was really good at lying in the all that stuff. I, don't I don't call that well. I don't want my son. That's not what I want from a life partner. Personally someone who just I like over massages the truth daily. Not what I want my life, but to each their own. But, yeah, that's a pretty baffling because he's like pretty making. Make it pretty clear that he wasn't joking, and then they keep trying to say no. He was actually joking. He's like no. I'm not and. It's it's just I I mean anything anything is just. It's funny at the spine I'm I enjoyed the entertainment. honestly didn't see that though I've been kind of disconnected from political twitter last week or so. Is the way to go, it's it's a it's miserable everything on. It's hard for us to for you especially in DC I. Mean It really surrounded by? Not Not surrounded by twitter twitter like fifty near in the like lear in. Oak Oaktree it. It is a hundred percent helicopter avenue oak tree. well, it's just one of those things where. I don't know I don't know. The being informed in DC is really that more important than anywhere else. Like Nancy, neighbor I guess you live somewhere in the city, but. I don't think it really matters although I did hear really interesting rumor about not GonNa talk about. A political. That is the one interesting thing I did I. didn't I met a person that kind of. Knows a person who knows a person who like. Knows inside stuff, so that's clearly floats around. People that know people work in in the government, no secrets. That's always interesting, but. While anyway. Our roure fifteen in. We need to work. We're done. We're done way to. We need to just preview Tuesday. Tuesday's GonNa. Be Severe on. Tuesday I guess special time now eleven am eastern right? Yes, I will send out an email. I sent an email to my list today. I will send an email out. tweet the show very hard this weekend. Aren't you like a like a link? The? Everyone No. Colombian am Tuesday. It's going to be messy. It's GONNA be. It's GonNa. Be Weird, probably not as bad as people think it'll be. What will be we'll see. It can't be any champion any messier wine you. Basically undressed that guy on the experts on. In your? No, it could not good if a guy like altercation any. Quarrel actual quarreling. 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ESPN radio on the SEC network presented by progressive insurance. All guests appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Call us dislike Linda from Argo did eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six eight say. We. Dude jew. We tell. It's really funny. So Martin are talking about what was there was. It was not. What you use the word key Stor earlier in the show. And I said that was an underutilized word. And then I said, hey, do you remember when we were doing the radio show live from the Indianapolis five hundred and I said something about a commode, and I think it was the funniest word. It's the commode is the funniest word. I couldn't y'all don't understand you during the break. I couldn't I guess TV only. Yes. So I couldn't breathe. Randy couldn't breathe. I don't know. What I don't even know Travis could hear us. He might have been going to the restroom and the wind. I don't know when you so when I said the word is Indy. Five sitting in gasoline alley at the announcement of speedway. And I'll sit commode, and you literally like hung onto your chair almost fell out of your share. Larry's word, and Meanwhile, I looked at the end of the table and we've got Tony Conan Indy. Five hundred champion sitting there. One of the all time. Great dudes. And he was looking at us like wonder why we were laughing. He's like my weight and do the interview while these guys spend five minutes, I want the word commode. Great where it is C O M O D think so come owed. A we just gotta have a we have who's grip check. Lob from the set. Hey, so we made we made Indy. Five hundred champion, Tony Kanal. While we talked about the word. Komo coral. Joy joins us. Now, Corey we apologize. Corey dean you use the word commode. No I used. Some other words aren't radio appropriate. All right. So first of all we got to you have to introduce you to the and McGee squad Rory's our boy Cory is a NASCAR monster Cup series driver. Corey burst onto the international scene with a race car today on a five hundred had his face on it. Right. And it was the scariest thing I've ever seen in my tire light. Yes. What was your reaction? The first time. You saw your big face on the hood of that car. So they sent me to rendering. And I said at the -lutely not. That guy gonna Ricky Bobby this thing and put my face on the hood of the car me, though. So it was even worse than Ricky, Bobby. You're just put a leopard on the hood. And just put me on it. They put my entire face on it. So I was like man is there any other options option B or C the look at so sent it back to old spice most vice like, Nope. Nope. It's either this or no deal. So well, my owners Archie a guy from Maine real dick Maine accent? He calls me up. Hey caught. We'll put your face on the car. For those of you that saw that. Yeah. That's what it is negative is. I thought it was gonna be ended up being a big positive, and it actually got people recognizing who I am. Instead of call me Arthur racetrack all the time. So what what I was down in Daytona? And do it dominated the new cycle did for like a weeks. I I was telling mardi before I did sportscenter all Sunday morning leading into the great American race. And all any of the sportscenter anchors wanted to talk about was your race car in your face and not only that. But I needed to explain to them. They don't paint these cars anymore. Right. And that was your hair all the way round race car. Yeah. Well, a little bit of Photoshop, but yeah, they they definitely got their money's worth. We actually got the all the TV numbers and social engagement numbers bag, and they got about six and a half million bucks or off off that fence. So I don't think that they were expecting it to be to be funny and interesting and big. But I didn't think that I don't think any of it expected to be the grand plan that it was. So y'all need to understand another thing about Corey is that so NASCAR driver. Denny hamlin. He has his basketball league. Right. So he invites all over to his house. And he does this basketball leagues real big deal around Charlotte. And I haven't you been a championship. Have you been a member of a of a group championship team? I have not you were. No, no, no. I've been in it three years. I haven't been on a particularly good team every year. We we either I stopped being in the championship game. I haven't won the championship game. I'm just good enough to be like a back end first round pick. And then that kind of like sets us up to to not really have a whole lot of Fernan scorn. So I have to have a really big night like like, John Moran or something like that to be able to beat a five seat. But it's a lot of fun. And you know, those guys awesome deal on blaming Stenhouse. And Danny, obviously, we we all have go. There have a good time. So for our listeners who aren't NASCAR people the thought of a bunch of NASCAR drivers who honestly made their living wearing adult pajamas every day. That's what the guys do. What's the thought of a bunch of NASCAR drivers run around playing basketball is a funny thought though, what how companion what's it like? But. Well, the majority of drivers aren't coordinated whatsoever. That even leap like even knows how to like control. Our brain knows how to control our hands. Even throw a ball. It doesn't look like a girl. In that in that category. I would only probably put myself Austin Dillon and Blaney and then he hand what is the only couple of guys that can really like pick up the ball and play like a normal like normal person. I don't know why that is. It'd be us. We I guess all the kids growing up whenever they couldn't figure out any other sports. They they figured out drive race car. It's a little bit easier. So yeah. Yeah. It's it's actually gets it gets pretty intense. There been a lot of money on it every game. I just go I show up there and have a good time for a little pick up basketball. But those guys are thrown around a couple of grand on fraught beds every game over is under the whole nine. So they take it pretty. That does not shock me. If there's nothing that you could say to me from that perspective that would shock me. Yeah. Cory. I mean, mardi now joke we saw we say we've only known you since you were born because your dad, obviously raining the joy, former coworker of ours. Here you want a couple of championships and was six fantasy series now. But something that you and I talk about every year data Daytona prior to the five hundred is your career, and and how hard you have to work and go fast races fantastic organization, but it's not Hendrick motorsports. And it's not Penske is on that. We tell our listeners in on a little bit of insight about your career in the struggle to get where you are. And how amazing it is. Honestly that you're in the Cup series every single weekend. I've been here about so lunchtime. If I rambled all all that. It's a so. So you're go fast. You know? Obviously isn't quite they don't have the funding. Hendrick does. But compared to all the other teams. I've raced into my Cup career even externally career. Go fast. Is that is a Hendrick. Yeah. You know, they have more than I've ever I've ever been used to from the driver's seat as well as the team has a lot of resources from four did they get? So granted the. Couple resources. They get from Ford is exponentially more than I've ever had to work with. So we've had some speed in our cars they made the top twenty four twice before this year, which is which is big for me. But the whole grind of of coming up interested. You know, people think that since I was two time then Busch series champion. It's like this whole road was paid for me. Like, I assure you when I was laying up at her Nathe cannon west car out in Bakersfield, California on one hundred twenty five degree asphalt working on David Mayhew's car to pay my bills that that pavement wasn't wasn't very goal. What I can promise you that. So, you know, there was a time for about a year and a half where all the driving stuff dried up just for lack of sponsorship, or or, you know, character building or whatever you wanted to talk it up to where I was just crew chief in and because I was going down that path and I was halfway decent at it. And I had some knowledge of the cars, and and some. Connections there? And I was able to get that was house probably twenty twenty one at that time and a good friend of mine daring rude from company out in California. They they kind of follow me on my social media. And they they like my brand how paired up with their brand Christian guy, you know, athletics is they they're pushing colleges supplements. So it kind of went right in their wheel house make he gave me a little bit of money to get me back in the driver's seat. And I jumped back in and xfinity car and outperformed that equipment over JGL and that allowed me to gain so relationships in the Cup garage. You know with with Ron Devine and ran part time for him two years ago. And then just slowly just kept scratching claw and doing everything I possibly could to, you know, be nice to people, and and do all the media applications that I could possibly get my hands on just to get my name out there and just try to see my place on Sunday because it certainly hasn't been easy. But, you know, looking back leg say when I was five years ago, you know, much directory was probably did on a pit box calling. Call the Daytona five hundred let alone, you know, martier member after you know, African getting in through the through the Dole's there to make my first Daytona five hundred dollars crowned like a little baby. I do remember very well. And you know, and because I had there was and it was a snowball's chance in hell to to be able to be in that position and to to have all that come to fruition because that that race, right? There was I like the frame that up a little bit. So I hadn't raised I raised one xfinity race Daytona and Brenna Jones wrecked. Like the entire field lab. Eight thousand dollars in that wreck. So that was all of my Daytona experienced never race Arca race truck race and all of eight laps in extended race. And I get the call from Ron Devine. Hey, I need you to run my open car and put that thing in the show. Oh, and and if after telling, you know, if we get in we'll see what happens from there signed me up coach so go down there. Practice rains out. I don't get one lap of practice except for qualified we qualified that was my first lap if they'd sewn in a Cup car fast forward to Thursday. No draft in practice. No, nothing. Don't know where the cars that get in strapping Ron vines there the windows pay pound, man. I I don't really know if we if we don't make this thing. I I don't know how long keep is open car going. Do what you can do to put this thing in the show, but puts the wondering up and fires me off. And I I just took him out the first five or six laps to kind of figure out. What was what? And ended up getting me at me and the guy who loves racing what making the show resorts and got a little bit tangled up. I put myself in Arab position that I didn't know I couldn't be in just for lack of experience and he got the short stick. But I made the Daytona five hundred and that kind of set up the entire year y ended up race about thirty racists for on divide. And man, I just kinda had just kinda got the ball rolling downhill, and I if I if I wouldn't have made that NATO, I certainly wouldn't be talking to you in this context today. What a story that man. We love it. We appreciate you as a person so much. We're proud of you in the grind and the determination to make it into be there. Every single week. We're going to do this again, man. Thanks for hanging out have fun this weekend. Go go fast. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right. But Mars, amac. Your driving up here may my Brian driving up here tomorrow. So right now about fifteen minutes away. So can't wait to get there. That's probably one of the most critical places we go to as much as you're trying kinda conserve brakes and tires and the whole nine so hopefully, we can have a good day today in practice qualifying or see I wish I got more go get them big one. And now, I think we knew you win. And now you like the most famous big scary Harry faith in motorsport so prevention life. Oh, yeah. Fiber on the big daddy back. So you, ma'am. We we we we talk about these these teams and having their moment, and this and this exactly what is this dude that has to work so hard every single weekend him making her own a five hundred is is one of these fourteen fifteen seeds beaten, a two or three. I mean, that's what it is. And it's and it's like I say we've only known who says who really love him like a son. He's the best. Hey, by the way, get trip lack of protection for optimal engine performance with shell v power nitro plus premium gasoline, it's Marty McGee on ESPN radio. And the SEC network is Marty and McGee. Sneaky to have a whole lot of coach too. It's not like whiskey, son. It'll jump up like a Cobra, Mike you, sir. Hello, sailor Marty and McGee more from those two rednecks coming up took -nology truth. Brought to you by Tyco. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor, what's rats Janet's? Fangs did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh. Sint wait. No, no, no, no, no proof. Eat so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more McGee only use p and radio and the network. You hear it do here. I'm just not sure if I'm allowed to singer now, you know, you can't say way go ahead. Go. Change. We're presented by progressive insurance. Guests appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Call us. Eight seven to nine three seven seven six. That's eighty eight say is. Ahmed? Man. Truck. Speakers around America are cracking right now. Hey, you know, what never goes out of style mardi? I mean, other than the scorpion. The wins of. Loved one with a buy one. Get one free multicolored roses bouquet for twenty nine ninety nine from one eight hundred flowers dot com. To order, go to one hundred flowers dot com slash. Seeing. Ready ready? Me. Where the children, we would've moved always words the dream away. The winds up James. What a great zone. I'm telling you that dude had to worse hairline you in the middle of. That's why you the scorpions were awesome. Because in the middle of like dropping papers in the middle of the hair bands of the eighties. That do have the worst hair of all of them. Was it like a Perm scarlet it was a Perm scarlet? But with with like a Phil Collins rapidly receding hairline like running away with a permanent back, and then they had to league tar to Qatar STS in one guy had a mustache like in that dude could not play guitar without bouncing them. Now like it was like they would rock it out. Tony big city nights. Totally underrated zone Carl's on the lounge North Carolina Carl was going on. Hagen Morton fellows. How's it going? Who do too? Carl. How you doing brother? What what are listen guys? I have a little connection with you guys would come around to get the data. I'm from Charlotte. I'm Linden down in Charleston now and as good to see McGee here McGee the other day on the firebomb show. That's what I call it. Because you never know. Would you wanna get? But no, I I wanna share my liberty experience. I went to liberty university for mardi you went to read for and so nineteen Ninety-four. Okay. Liberties in the big, Sal, and I'm sitting in church on Sunday morning. Listen, Jerry Falwell. And so he's like he gets up to the pulpit and says our boys are in the final, and we need to have a good showing it's down in Charleston. And we're gonna excuse all the students that can make it down for the game. Because when having big showing, so obviously, I mean, come on guys, we're going to leave from Charlotte. So that's halfway so went down to Charlotte stayed at home. It was a Monday like five o'clock game five o'clock afternoon game on ESPN. We're all high and everything. And that's when the the flu. Lower rushing kind of started but won the game. And so we're making it to the big dance. And oh my goodness. The first time liberty liberty university. Who would've thought, you know, back then, and but the funny thing was we had to play Carolina. Yeah. Yeah. Big show. Yeah. Not even not even Reverend Falwell could dial it up to get that one. I mean, they were definitely sixty. I mean, they were definitely the Carolina was rank one then run out of time. We're gonna run out of time. That was a fantastic call Carl. Thanks for calling in. Oh, dude. This is Marty. Radio and your phone. Choose till you're smart speaker to play the SPN radio now playing ESPN radio ESPN everywhere. You wouldn't settle for a two star spin class a personal trainer, would you? So why settle for Bank that treats you just like another number? Ally knows you deserve better and their mission is to be just that. And with ally Bank. You'll get interest rates up to twenty times the national average you can chat with real people twenty four seven, and they won't nutmeg you with hidden fees allies team actually cares about doing right by you and your money. So go to A L L Y dot com for more ally. Bank member FDIC I like to sewn smarter McGee only use FINA radio in the or Mel one. No, call us. Tom's running out combs seventy nine three seven seven six. Eight say ESPN now Carl call in and we had to cut him off because we ate up the entire segment. Singing winds have changed by the scorpions, but Carl stayed on hold throughout the break, even throughout the TV segment and Carl would cut you off. Jerry Falwell in nineteen Ninety-four has sent you down to watch. Liberty win win converts tournament. And now you're in the big tournament, and we cut off supplies continue. Okay. I appreciate it guys. Yeah. So he would excuse everybody from school. If they brought back a ticket from the game the north Charleston Coliseum. So we we truck down to Charlotte, which is our hometown and stayed there. We had a blue blazer and six and we drove down the second half. But the trick was we had to be at school on Tuesday morning. So liberty wins. It was a five thirty game or five o'clock afternoon game. And I guess the game was over seven thirty eight o'clock. I don't know what it was. But Lynchburg college kids. I mean, you're road trip. Let's go. And so that's all we did. And so the ironic thing was, you know, we drop back where all tire what do you mean excuse for for Tuesday night? But but here's the thing guys. I mean this morning looking at liberty win. Ning there. I, and I know Marty, you know, ramp forgetting into his great, but liberty is one that I ever you know, NC double A tournament game. I'm just so excited. You know? I can't wipe the smile off my face off you should be. I mean what a tremendous accomplishment in an upset. No less that I would say very few people picked to really show out. I mean, they want twenty eight games, right? Yeah. They want a lot of games this year up in the Atlantic sun on the ace on now they left the big south in our Nissan. Thank I might have made that up that might be Davidson, I'm thinking about. Yeah. They're are not in the big south. What are they they're on a big? But they want a lot of games this year and a really good team. And a great moment. Congratulations to you in everybody that our our liberty alumni and in current students. I mean, it's there's another just it's a wonderful. They are in the ice on. Okay. Travis confirms there in the didn't make that I want to give a shoutout to some the boy, Alan York, who's the voice of the flames voice liberty university. And he has been on the microphone for this entire run all year long Thursday teams headed out to San Jose. I think is where they are and his wife went into labor. And so being the great dad that he is he kept at home in Lynchburg and the family had their third daughter. I believe it was and and he he he is one of these tweets or he's he's tweeting light crazy like from Lynchburg. And he's obviously where he's supposed to be. He's there for the birth of his daughter, but you know, it's eight. Mondo? It's eating him up. He's sitting up. I met him at the American Girl doll store. He's worn around American Girl all star one night and was FaceTime with his wife like clueless. Like, you've gotta buy something for his daughter. And he doesn't know his you know, that can deal can be a little overwhelming. The right thing isn't always easy thing. No and good on him for being a good, man. I'm happy for him. That is that is phenomenal. And again, congratulations. Liberty what a win now. What? And that's why that's why this is one of the greatest events in sports, not not even the whole tournament. And the final four is great. But the opening weekend is the best. I'm trying to kill Bill best. There have been great upsets in great moments. But we tend to remember the ones either a that we were present or be of our youth. Right. And I was remember Bryce drew always remember that. I know that he just got let go, but nonetheless what. A tremendous time. And when these when these smaller schools, he's mid majors as we say have that moment, it's forever. I mean, it's a forever time because to your point they will rerun it and rerun it and rerun it forever. Well, my wife who will do a bracket every year based entirely upon stuff lying colors inside. And so and so she had just done her musical grits, the musical she had just done it in Norfolk. And so as town to fill out a bracket, and she picked Norfolk state, and it was the year they had that gigantic. But she still thinks she still has that bracket like in her office somehow about you might be the whole person Americans have picked him other than the people that like went to Norfolk state. Hey, whatever. Whatever methodology, I'm using his pathetic. So don't use what I use. Hey, Scott and South Carolina zone. A line. Scott walk in the morning McGee. Hey, good morning money. Mickey how are you? Good morning. Like you. I'm just relieved that UVA didn't lose yesterday to seed. I thought I was going to jump the truck head the Columbia at halftime. And they said, no, you're good. So well, I smoked your last week about Jim Brown that that's custom shirt, and you'd asked me to call back about Lee, Marvin the cells that I. For the dirty dozen and one thing led to another the premium went off without a hitch. So a lot of famous people the nicest of them, by the way was Ernest. Borgnine of Mikhail's navy could not have been nicer to the little people were opening car doors like me, and you know, things went on and Mike the manager from publicity took Lee and his girlfriend Michel trio, LA she of palimony fame later out for on after night cocktail if you will now Lee has at this point, then drinking a lot of high-octane urged us. He wrecked helix. You're like dynamite. I mean, but he can he can barely speak and Mike got them into of this club. And within about fifteen minutes of arriving. There was a fellow who been kicked out came back in with a gun and started shooting up the place. What what's out Mike dove across the table. And Lee Marvin I believe it was about six feet three. And Michelle was not it was time. And he took them both down to the floor covered them with his body. The shooting see stuff, they collared the guy and they made it back to the plaza hotel after statements were taken and whatnot. And about six o'clock. I get a phone call from like the manager. He said Scottie worry I on right in the nearby in Warwick hotel. So I need you to get over to remark. And sweet right now, I've got to go to bed. It. What's going on, Mike? You said Lee is still up get ours. Jews and get fodder. Scatter. Job was real simple. I knew I got close unshaven nasty looking and I ran over to the plaza hotel talked immediately to the people in room service and just got a ton of freshly squeezed, ours, twos, Bilo, vodka begging, and we will it up to his room and in the room was shelter, ULA Lee, Marvin and my mission is agent who was powerful and and the good guy. And so there we were all having our breakfast, juice and Lee was beginning to speak. We reminded him that he had to get ready for his interview says Ron Robin interviews at nine o'clock with everybody who was going to be anybody from television radio and press there, we're going to he was gonna hop from table to table to table and give the so-called exclusive interests role whether under the Pap winning was he waits. I'll be right back. And he went. Into the bedroom. And he disappeared any passed out. Now, we have a big problem, and I'm charged as the junior super gopher because like the manager is cold somewhere toes up. I have to get Lee Marvin dressed and downstairs. Oh, I'm about nineteen twenty years old. I'm pulling down a hard fifty dollars a week. And I'm wondering I said, I'm going to college for this. No. No. So Academy Award winner, decorated United States Marine veteran and maybe the toughest man in the history of Hollywood still played action. He rose like all well into late into his life and delta force. And you're the man that got him dressed and. Did in a in a terrific looking saddle road suit with native downstairs, he looked like a million bucks. If you just couldn't talk. He he walked well, he looked traffic through just couldn't talk. So we're we're we're going to figure that out somehow, but we just had to get him downstairs. So so I'm down at the WB B M table, Chicago. Okay. Sorry. Young lady said, Mr. Marvin and he had a hard time getting his mouth around. The Swizzle stick that was sticking his nose and then in his eye as he was attempting to drink on air breakfast, juice. So bribes gone, that's the that's on blue will end. The irony is that he won is Oscar I believe for playing one of the greatest drunks in the history of Hollywood. Which was he played in cavalier. He played Kissling which is like a drunk like gunfighter. And so yeah. So then and then this maybe that helped him out on this day eight thanks for the call. That was imagine a heartburn. Drank much vodka and orange juice. My heart would burn out of my chest. I'm pretty sure though Lee Marvin I'm pretty sure that for breakfast. Like, he just poured like milk over like a bowl nails and just eight that for name. Yeah. All at all like citric acid. That's old school Hollywood. Right. Terrible, bro. They don't build human beings. Like the did. Then. Hey, I'm I'm I'm all whining because Roman on apple pineapples good. But you have to be judicious because of the heartburn. Why this I read about guys like we Marvin and watch movies? Look Lee Marvin dirty dozen and all I can think is here. I am complaining about my phone. We law Tei and my much. Mockup hill. Sounds more like a one in gremlins I decided instead of tobacco. There's only one thing we do to follow up a story about in the last follow up a segment where we started with Jerry Falwell in modern over the only way we can follow it up as what's coming up straight ahead. Hillbilly headlines coming up smarter McGee. Me to them. Mardian McGee not your typical radio show. They got some really really nice tractors. I'm I have tracker twelve that's that's the sign of redneck event. No, worry more Mardian McGee next. Hi there. Julie Foudy here. Yes. With silly enough to give me the green light on a podcast, and it's called laughter. Permitted. We talked to these awesome trailblazers in sports about the joy and chaos of life such as Kerri Walsh Jennings. Simone byles Mia Hamm so gig, comfortable live soon. Rafter permitted. And so it's bad singing support for laughter. Permitted comes from ally. 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You're a hillbilly headlines on Mardian McGee may not normally I'd say lead us all a Ricky Henderson. But after Mike trout thirty billion, I might as well say. Alternate a home or their trial. Hey, speaking of baseball you like when you go to games like his tee-shirt canons with a lot of the same. But it's funny when at mascot shot himself in. Yeah, we forgot about that. Well, so I'm I'm going over the Charlotte knights letter today. Maybe I still the t shirt cannon and do this carry Joe Hickman did not cut corners when crafting her care packages. They included cell phones. Chargers earbud digital scales. Also included tobacco methamphetamines marijuana on March tenth. She drove those items to the north fort correction center in sire, Oklahoma, more than one hundred miles west of Oklahoma City. Those are s Randy producer Randy's people out Oklahoma. She would aim a t shirt cannon from the window of her vehicle as she drove past the prison and fire the care packages into the yard how the aerial drop off was noticed by prison. Staff who reported the saw the package quote fly out of the vehicle in own to the. Risen ground grounds where they landed near a housing unit the type stuff she sent over is pretty common. So well, the officer's put the methods to use the launch the package over the fence that was new each other have potato guns when you were a kid. Oh, yeah. PVC pipe. You know? Oh, yeah. Shot those titles. So I worked for one minor league baseball team for one summer, and it was kind of at the dawn of the cannon. I got the first came along. And we tried to shoot hotdogs into the crowd. Ever packed incorrectly. And I will shoot the and they would blow into a hundred pieces. Into the pig part. Bagel hotdog way, you're coming at forty seven miles an hour. Like Mary, Jo stuff. We did for fun as kids. Sara fater gun and let her eat. I don't know where this is o of caught. Because florida. Yep. Yep. Five phones, do not do it often. Alligators have tragically done it. But we know to be wary. I don't understand that sin. That lead. But unlike these creatures in the Florida Everglades waterways, one pesky, squirrel and Sarasota county fighting way above its White House in Florida we have to be on the lookout for attacking squire guide. Squirrels according to news reports in a man with the wounds to prove it a squirrel quote has gone nuts in quoting in the Florida town without provocation attacked and bit. The victim on the elbow and scratched him on the arm a surveillance video captured the attack woes. Squirrel got on him boy rat with a boa squirrel is. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this word, so I won't let's just say, expletive, squirrel. Attacked me. No Robbie Armstrong posted on his Facebook page on Sunday a day after the road and bit him his security cameras caught the attack. One Armstrong said was not unusual in the neighborhood, though. The squirrel which he said was raised by his neighbors when it was a baby and then released bit other residents among the other bite victim of the aggressive. Rodent Armstrong set stepson and adult members of the family that initially cared for it news channel eight reported. Armstrong had enough he posted quote chased him around and shot him with a BB gun ten times, but he was still alive. So be on the lookout for that crazy square to evil to die on Wednesday. Armstrong told the Miami Herald he was quote, fine. And that the squirrel quote is still roaming around then with full of full lead. There's a whole story yet. I'll leave y'all with that. I mean, if you go on the Twitter machine and look at squirrels Armstrong's injuries. And that squirrel got him hit schools, by the way, it's springtime, which means the old Yankee flipper bird feeders all target up. I'll be tossed the squirrels round backyard here for two for she ate the fact that he went BB gun upgrade. Well, let's now he's just main an angry and mad bone. Let's take it up to motor city Detroit man accidentally shoots himself trying to kill cockroach. But does not do it in the manner that you're expecting a Detroit man accidentally shot himself in the foot while trying to kill a cockroach. He used the wheelchair in through his shoe across the room at the pest inside his shoe was I revolver that reportedly discharge into the man's foot. When it hit the ground. There is no worse. So. So Roach busted across the room. Mamane throws a shoe at it and keeps his revolver inside his shoe. That is a unique approach. We've had a lot of people on this show on hillbilly headline to have shot themselves accidentally yet happens. But I'm this the first shoe throwing gun that we've had. I mean, what he could probably a redneck mortar launcher might be a better option. He made a one of them t-shirt cannons cash. You shoot you should cockroach with some math from a t-shirt candidates out. Rid Nick mortar. Launcher let's take you over to Egypt. We'll wow, okay man, travelling from Cairo to Scofield airport. Right. I think Scofield plays the whole power four to the volunteers. It's a schone field or something like that. Berlin. At a big Berlin today. Yep. We got a minute left here. Travis is telling me to hustle. Oh, we gotta get straight talk. And this is strike. I don't worry. I'll get there. Sixty nine year old man was called with the strange packets, desserts that turned out to be three live Moroccan tortoises. The man had put the tortoises in a pastry box and told customs officers that they were chocolates, according to a press release since the turtles are endangered species protected by the Washington convention of the protection of animals they were confiscated and placed in the care of the border veterinarian infringement of species protections regulations can result in a fine of up to fifty thousand euros about fifty seven grand or up to five years in prison. Then may turtles doughnuts don't throw us you with a gun in it. Right. I don't confiscate endangered tortoise. I don't use a t shirt cannon to fire method prisoners. That's straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless coverage on America's most LT network. Have fun with our millio ESPN serve sports fans anytime anywhere ESPN, plus more sports. More leads more teams more ESPN don't know the SPN a or visit ESPN dot com today.

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Retail Stocks, Cash, and 1 Stock to Avoid

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Retail Stocks, Cash, and 1 Stock to Avoid

"This episode of market fullerenes brought to you by brave a next generation. Free Web Browser focuses on ensuring your privacy and security. Take back control of your online activity and switch browsers to brave today at brave dot com slash. Fool that's brave dot com slash full. It's Tuesday December third. Welcome to the market fuller. I'm Chris Sale with means studio the one and only bill man. Thanks for being here. How are you Chris? I'm I've got coffee. songbooks smells delicious. See should've gotten some. I've heard a lot about copy. I'm going to give it a shot at some point. We're going to different on the full mailbag we're going to pay tribute to a retail visionary. But we're going to start with what I think is the surprise of the day and that is lands end up twelve percent after third erred. Quarter profits came in higher than expected. Revenue was a little light same store sales for Lens and came in north of eight percent. That is strong growth. Yeah yeah some of that has to do with the fact that there were eighty nine lands end stores that closed right so those generally in fact I think in every case Someone will certainly correct me if I take one side of this issue the other in every case it was because of sears closing in lands end was was was an integral part of of of the sears experience. such as it was So certainly certainly the you know that that that helped the tick but you have to say looking looking at the revenue numbers. It doesn't look like an up double digits result. It really doesn't and I know that at least part of that is lands end raising guidance. For sure we're going into the holiday quarter. Maybe there's optimism there I don't know this is. This is one of those businesses. That is a little puzzling to me. Just because they appear to have the product right right the under armor. They've got good products. It's just the rest of the business. They're struggling with lands. End makes quality stuff. Yeah they just appear. I do struggle with Most other parts of retail. I don't think that you would look it lands and and maybe this is for better for worse you look at the you know the the nosedive dive that north faces on for example like landon isn't going after like being the hot brand They they are a steady as she goes brand. They are very credible. You know it's funny. I never noticed until I was actually doing the research did you ever notice that. The the APOSTROPHE for lands end is in the wrong place it's Land S.. Apostrophe the grammar scold in me is really angry that I never noticed. What does this so I looked it up and it turns out that when lands end was founded the first time they had made enough money to make a catalog? The printer put the apostrophe in the wrong place. And they didn't have enough money to fix it so this road with it and not only did they roll with it. They just embraced it so it is still. Land S. apostrophe and which despite the grammar scold in me you know. I will never UNSEE that. It's a really great brand. It's a great brand brand that they have the that they have taken pains to maintain and I think that helps absolutely helps. This is a company where the market cap is about four hundred fifty million dollars. Do you think I mean this really seems like because of the quality merchandise is because of the how solid the brand is it really seems like it would make for a good smart Tuck in acquisition for W- and I'm not saying for the next year or the next year and I wasn't you know wasn't going to say the neck you know for tapestry per se it's exactly who I was thinking about those types of businesses businesses that say you know what we've got a portfolio of brands and we're GONNA make this part of it sure a tapestry or a it would be a very smart acquisition. I you know lands ends and to me is a is a company that although you know as I'm as we're recording now is up seventeen percent despite that it's not something that really is going to surprise you that much and I'm not sure that the brand gives it permission to push into a bunch of different verticals. It is a the it is what we think it is and so I would think that this would be you know. Now that it's cleaned up a bunch of a bunch of its operations. Now that it's you know sears is sort of taking itself out of the equation. I would think that this would be a really good acquisition for for for a tapestry because it's a good cash flow of story. It's just not one where I expect. I would expect hyper growth without taking some risks to the brand shares of Ollie's bargain outlet are down more than twelve percent so far this week due to the passing of CEO Mark Butler. Mr Butler was sixty. One years old. He was with his family over the Thanksgiving weekend when he died our sympathies to his family and friends. And we will get to the business of Ollie's bargain outlet in a minute but I think it's safe to say Mark Butler definitely fool favourite when it comes to see you and for for the partnership portfolio. We spoke with Mark Butler back in July of this year. That was a really wonderful interview. Ollie's is always you know. I is a company that was really built in his image. And they're very few retailers that are that are quite like Mark Butler You would point point to Jim Senegal well at Costco. People who've done things in an entirely different way so one of the things that Mark Butler always brag about at Ollie's was that they had zero revenues. The news that came from online that everything was based on their stores. And that if you think about it you're like Oh that's that's that's kind of interesting but to me it's more than interesting. It's brave given the environment that we you know that we have operated in the last fifteen years was so much being pushed online the fact that he decided and that company decided. That's the route that they were GonNa go that the in store experience is what they were going to favor. It was a brave rave. Move and and it's worked out really really well So you know it's obviously it's not great news for for for Ollie shareholders. We're very sad because we have learned so much from you know from from our time getting to know mark And our our condolences. Go out to you. Know both of his family's also read this interview. He gave where he was talking about. Sort of you know part of his approach for this business and he said something something and it's one of those things that yes as any good. CEO would he's talking his own book but it also struck me as being completely true true and this interview he said you know. Why does this work because America loves a bargain and he's absolutely right about that and it's the sort of thing where you look at hat? All these you look at five below Burlington stores over the past five years I mean done correctly. This approach to retail is profitable one. Yeah and it is one that rewards shareholders when it is done correctly so I actually have spent some time time going to Ali stores and actually It's come to my twitter feed TM. I'll put a picture up from the most recent time I went to the Ollie's in Lynchburg Virginia and and the stores mobbed and you can see this being Lynchburg right across the street from Liberty University. There's a massive like bibles and devotional. Study AH book section. They were they are really really smart retailers but they call the stores semi lovely. And you know this why I took some pictures because you see exactly exactly what they are is a semi. I've the lovelier. The lovely is a little bit harder to discern. But the thing thing about it is you come in and it looks a little bit like chaos but it really really is every bit of what they were doing for the store. Experience at Ollie's was thought out. It's done on purpose. John Swaggart the longtime executive vice president is now the interim president and CEO at all as we were chatting adding briefly yesterday. You were saying you think this is a smart move to. Even though he's been there to to keep the interim title with him for now it it gives them some optionality. The thing that the thing that impresses me about this is that is that Ali's obviously had in place a what. What do we do if Mark Butler gets hit by a bus plan right and unfortunately there the put that land and they had to put the plan into action and it is particularly for companies that are dominated by by a charismatic founder? CEO that's a really hard thing to to to put in place and they have done. So so Ollie's I think is in better stead than I thought it might have of you know the the then I might have feared it would be and you know so it gives them some optionality. They'll do a search. I would suspect that That the interim will be dropped at some point because this is not a company. That's going to go out and hire the year the next hotshot who wants a new challenge from apple or whatever this this is this is an iconic classic company before we dip into the mailbag quick shoutout to brave a next generation web browser pioneering a better Internet with privacy by default. It begins by giving you control once again over who has access to your online activity. Braves Browser protects your privacy by stopping creepy ads. That follow you across the web. It performs up to eight times faster than other browsers. And that's one of those things that only matters if you're a fan of speed and saving your battery life also. It seems like a lot of people. 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Take back control of your online activity switch browsers to brave today at braves dot com slash food. aww that's brave dot com slash full to switch your browser to rave yesterday was about big tech. Today is about us. Our email address is market fully at full dot com question from Gilbert in the Netherlands. Who writes first of all? Thank you for your wonderful podcast. Daily Listener thank you for listening you guys keep saying that you should only only have five to ten percent cash your portfolio. But if you do that. With what cash are you going to sweep up. All the bargains once a recess once a ED recession is a couple of months or years old. This was one of those questions that when I first read it I thought he was being cheeky and that is like oh no wait. What are you saying? And he's absolutely right. I mean the prospect of a recession lasting six months eight months. It's twelve months that sort of thing where it's like all right. So what do you think well first of. All the market tends to go up around ten percent a year. So if you have if if you have ten percent of your portfolio in cash. Let's just call that a years worth of gain potential right. I mean ten. Ten percent is a lot. I mean I actually have more than ten percents in my own portfolio in cash right now so. I'm not quite sure where where where he's gotten the five to ten percents reasonable number. I actually have more than that. But ten percent is plenty and keep in mind that when inevitably the market drops twenty percent that ten percent is going to be ten percent anymore because it doesn't move grade so it will suddenly only become four fourteen fifteen percent of your portfolio. You will have plenty of ammunition to invest in companies that you think are have become and bargains as a general rule of because Gilbert's question. Got Me thinking about having a figuring out a way to have cash in your portfolio and one way to do that is just to say for some stocks. I don't want to repurchase additional share. I don't want to purchase additional shares when I get the dividends. I just want the money. Take the money yeah. Is that your move. Generally when it comes to dividends or does it depend on the is it it kind of depends. I keep in mind so I don't happen to own any now since Since oak tree was taken out but I have owned companies in the past That I consider to be cash generators those types of companies I would allow the I would allow the cash to a crew So you you you should know so once again why it is that you own companies right. The other thing to keep in mind is that why is that prices are information. And while we don't don't you know while we always talk about. Don't sell your winners. When the market gets hit really really hard sometimes the relative of attractiveness of certain companies is going to change? Not even sometimes it will do it every time so you have to be willing to harvest from some positions into others. I mean every single bit of your portfolio is potential cash. I remember we had an event. This might have been one of the first member events we ever had. I remember you're on on a panel and one of the things you said was I'm a value investor but make no mistake every single. I'm a long term investor but make no mistake. Every single company in my portfolio is for sale at the right price at at some bright every single day every single at some price. No matter how much I love this business at the right price I am selling the hell out of this. That's right and and and and I'm glad you remember that it'd be because I did get some flack from people they said. Well you know. Then you're not a long term investor. Now right Yes yes I get it and I you know I. I can't remember the last time that I sold a stock on purpose. But you know when when the market is in dislocation this location and dislocation can be because people have gone crazy on the upside or it can be On the downside. You would be absolutely insane just to you know just to stand upon while this is what I am. This is what I do because when bargains come when bargains come out you have to be willing to act question from Sam Sam Garage writes. My question is about having heard this name in a long time my questions about Chesapeake energy from early days of being a young fool I recall you're listening to the stories of former CEO. Aubrey mcclendon and his thirst for collecting everything rare. At one point chesapeake energy was a top natural natural gas player and now it trades for sixty cents a share is this Evalu- play. Thanks for helping me convince my bride than investing in stocks. This is not gambling. You're welcome. That's so great Haven't heard those names in a while. Either I'm surprised. The Chesapeake peak energy was when I looked at the question. I was like wait a minute. Is it really that low. Yeah it's really that low. It's a wonderful question. It's a wonderful example. Dan pull because he's exactly right. The assets that that Chesapeake holds are rare but I went and did a little bit of You Know I. I went and researched the capital structure of Chesapeake and basically it's guide. You know its value to a little over a billion dollars. It's got nine billion dollars in debt and that debt is you know it's about six percent interest. They have to pay each year so you can do the math on that. I mean that's you know. That's that's that's a lot. And they have a preferred class of stock which at present pays a twenty percent dividend. which sounds awesome etc a lot of times that dividend his information on what that information is the market believes that the company company will be unable to pay its dividend from cash flows? So they will either need more debt Or they will have to start selling some of those asset so the assets themselves are somewhat irrelevant now the reason that you might invest in Chesapeake and this is not advice and I will say very strongly. I would not not do this. is if you believe that the market is wrong about chesapeake ability to pay and operate because if if it is wrong long than the stock is an absolute bargain but I tend to think that the debt market and the preferred markets tend to be pretty efficient last but not least quick shot to San monthly longtime listener mentioned on twitter. Nice reminder for all of the talk and we talked a lot about this yesterday today about Black Friday and cyber Monday that today's giving Tuesday so as we like to look through charitable ables through the Lens of investing and long-term solutions and also. Let's face it. 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From The NFL To Outer Space, Andrew Luck's Retirement, Clemson's $2 Bills

Only A Game

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From The NFL To Outer Space, Andrew Luck's Retirement, Clemson's $2 Bills

"This is only a game. I'm karen given just a couple hundred the people here their names called in the n._f._l. Draft every year far fewer become astronauts. Exactly one person has done both breath but growing up in a working class african american family in nineteen sixty s virginia leland melvin never imagined he would make history three reporter taubman chefs key shares journey into the right little out half leland melvin was five years old when the apollo eleven space flight landed neil armstrong and buzz aldrin on the moon and into history he remembers adjusting the antenna and a sylvania black and white television so that his family could witness the historic moment so the next day all my friends were saying hey you know. Do you want to be an astronaut. Neil and buzz walked on the moon one small step for man one timely for mankind and i said no. I don't want to be an astronaut because i saw these guys and crew cuts. They were military and i didn't think that i would wanna do something like that and then see someone who like me. Either i grew up in a small all southern town in lynchburg virginia and <hes> most of the people that i knew were you know after american schoolteachers because that was kind of a the the highest position that you could get didn't know of any bankers or lawyers or people like that. It's one of those things where you know. You kind of know your place. You would watch the television you see. Buses are getting firebombed and you'd see these you know. These things happen to people like you so you know that you you know. You can't just do everything that anyone else can do. You have to make sure that that you're that you're treading lightly treading reading in a way that's not going to disrupt the apple cart. Take not only you out but maybe take your family out or your community out growing up leland loved playing with tinker toys and blocks he like building things and when he was eight years old he got his hands on a new source of fun. Yeah my mother had the i guess wherewithal or misfortune in buying me in age inappropriate non osha certify chemistry said she said follow the instructions and through the instructors over my shoulder and i proceeded to mix these two dissimilar similar chemicals together they created the most incredible explosion in her living room and i just remember getting on the rug in the rug burning and i was like blah. We'll get this smoke fire and brimstone right here from these two little beakers and i have signed blown away. I was actually blown back smoke but if you looked at my is my brain was activated you could see my eyes wide open as possible and my parents would make much money so this is like you don't don't do that. You don't mess up the the sofa and you don't mess up the rug but it didn't matter to me because i knew all i needed was a lab coat and goggles and that could be a chemistry major. Scientists liens interest in science and engineering skyrocketed in high school. He attended a special engineering program at the university of virginia that specifically targeted minority students he collected old bicycle parts and use them to build his own personalized bike. He helped his father refurbishing old bread truck doc into a family camper complete with a stove and flipped down bunkbeds. He had always been an athlete. He started playing football. They'd seven and grew up idolizing in another virginian tennis legend arthur ash but he thought science would shape his future until one big play during the homecoming game in his senior year of high school. I was running on the sideline stan hole through this perfect spiral into the corner of the end zone and the ball is i could see this whole thing play out. The ball is coming in my hands. I looked into the stands a little bit hurt. The crowd screaming knew that i was going to be winning this game by catching this ball and and i dropped it in the end zone and i fell about the size of a net i walked to the sideline my coach. Jimmy green grabbed my face mask. Look in in the is me says leland. I believe in you get back out there and catch the ball this time run the same play catch the ball and i was so embarrassed because my friends and family were there and i just i just wanted to sit down and and and go away but money down the sidelines second time i could responding on the ball as it came into my hands and he won the game. I was a scout by the name of morgan out from the university of richmond who was watching. The first mishap in the end zone started walking out of the stadium. He heard the crowd screaming the second time and he came back and doing a little dance in the end zone and he said himself says this guy he failed horrifically but he didn't give up and that one catch resulted in one hundred eighty thousand dollars scholarship to the university of richmond in leland's first season for the spiders richmond went winless balilan developed into a standout wide receiver establishing school school records for career receptions and receiving yards he became a two time honorable mention all american the detroit lions selected him in the eleventh round of the nineteen eighteen eighty six n._f._l. Draft but then cut him after he was slowed by a hamstring injury during training camp. Leila started pursuing a graduate degree in material science engineering engineering at the university of virginia but before the nineteen eighty-seven n._f._l. Season he got an invitation to dallas cowboys training camp leland didn't put his studies on hold so before online learning became a thing they were videotaping <hes> v._h._s. videotapes of math material science analytical chemistry that they sent to valley ranch for me to watch after catching footballs during the day for america's team that was the hardest hardest job i've ever had to train to be a professional football player and go to grass called at the same time and graphical as in materials engineering here and in the evenings <hes> a lot of my colleagues were like hey. Let's go out to a club. Let's go do this might not gonna watch material science engineering videotapes so i was larry lab or the nerd economy the nerd guy during a routine passing drill with dallas quarterback. Danny white thing suddenly changed for larry lab yep. We're planning to throw a half speed tenured out and he did an audible when he saw tom landry walking on the field. Tom calandra was a future hall of fame coach and white sun opportunity to impress the football icon he told leland to run as far and as fast as he could so so i went forward pulled my hamstring but i thank danny wife helped me get to space 'cause if it hadn't been for that possibly who knows where i would've been leland's n._f._l. Career was over. He went back to grad school. Fulltime finished his masters degree in material science engineering and as leland jokes did what and many former n._f._l. Players do he went to work for nasa. He started in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine as an engineer at langley research center making optical tickle fiber sensors by nineteen ninety eight. He began astronaut training at johnson space center. He appeared to be on the fast track to space but then april two thousand and one. I was training to do something. Call a space walk which is really more like a space crawl because you're pulling yourself around with your hands ends. You're not walking. You're floating <hes> doing things like assembling the international space station and my my training of this the train rain to simulate this on the ground is in a five million gallon pool is called the neutral buoyancy laboratory and i was in this suit as a cross between the michelin man and the pillsbury doughboy going down thirty two feet in the water and we're we're actually going to be training on submerged space stations as a space shuttles to simulate what we would do on our missions as he descended into the pool leland had trouble hearing his instructor soon he was hearing nothing but static when he was pulled from the pool and his helmet was removed. It quickly became clear that something was wrong. The fight surgeon started walking towards me and he was just moving his lips. I thought he was just playing with me and i say this is serious when you is he playing with me but when he touched my ear and pulled his finger back back. I felt this river of blood rolling down the side of my face. I was completely deaf. After emergency surgery in the hospital <hes> ah the world renowned your nose and throw doctors said that you know they don't know what happened to me and that i would never find space unbeknownst talil and his suit had been missing. It's val salva pad a small styrofoam insert that helps astronauts equalised the extreme pressure that can build up in their ears about three weeks after the accident leland's hearing return to his right ear but damage to his left ear remained his dream of orbiting planet earth appeared here to be over leland shifted his focus at nasa he worked on robotics enjoined educators program in which she traveled across the country encouraging children to nominate their teachers to become astronauts and i'm working in this job and we're going around the country. Are we getting kids to nominate their teachers to become astronauts and one of the kids says hey. I have you flown in space yet. They didn't know any says well. You're not an astronaut astronauts. Flying space on my kid shut up. I'm just like getting you know not angry but i'm now. I'm thinking will i ever find ways leland was still working with kids and teachers on february. I two thousand three the day the space shuttle columbia was scheduled to return from its twenty eighth mission in space when you're landing. There's a countdown clock locked to wear the wheel should touchdown on the runway in florida. Well i get a phone call from education boss and she's she's new to nasa and she she says to me she says leland. What does it mean when the countdown clock is now counting up and and i said how much is it counting up and she said twenty seconds thirty seconds forty seconds a minute. I did an illegal u-turn on highway sixty six outside of d._c. And turn back to nasa because a new all my friends funds were a catastrophe in the sky. Flash communication was received at about eight a._m. Central time is columbia flew two hundred thousand feet above north central texas. We are seeing huge pieces of metal. Reentering the earth's atmosphere all seven in columbia crew members died including david brown one of leland melvin close friends and that night i went to david brown's parents home in washington virginia to console them and when i got there david's father said something so powerful to me said we must honor the legacy of my son son and the crew who gave their lives for our civilization for humanity for for doing these incredible incredible feats and i thought fit. Did you know i'm trying to figure out how i'm going to honor them. If medically disqualified to fly and we went to the different memorial services around the country and the chief of all the flight surgeons were taken off and landing in the nassar plane the chief of all the flight surgeons was sitting waiting beside me on every takeoff or landing and he watched me clear my ears on dissent at the time leland was getting ready to move from washington to houston to continue his life as a non on flying astronaut but as the chief flight surgeon watch leland clear his ears to combat the cabin pressure on these flights he saw an opportunity to resuscitate the earthbound astronauts dreams of spaceflight rich williams said come off as gave me this waiver to fly in space. Even though my hearing had not changed insignificantly he felt like if i could if i could effectively clear my ears then there'd be no reason why shouldn't be able to fly in space he he believed in me and i got this gavitt jail free card hit back to houston and soon after that i get assigned to a mission leland melvin went onto participate in two missions to the international space station his detroit lions jersey which he brought with him into space is now exhibited at the pro football all hall of fame in canton ohio. He's been an n._f._l. Player and an astronaut but more than anything leland has become an advocate kit for what is possible. I'll never forget when i first became an astronaut. When i was on a fire truck driving down the boulevard and houston celebrating john glenn's return return to flight on the space shuttle as an a brand new spanking new astronaut nineteen ninety eight driving down the road and these two little boys are are standing with their father and their orange spacesuits and their father points up to the fire truck and and basically saying look at it and when we make eye contact attack. It was almost how these kids had this rocket fuel going through their veins. They were about to launch off of their of that street because they saw me me and they saw the possibilities of them doing what they wanted to do is being astronauts to that was my first eye opening a moment to say okay. This does matter and that what you're doing. People are watching that story came from reporter towel. Pinch have ski. Leland melvin has written a book. It's called chasing space and astronauts story of grit grace and second chances. We'll have a link to it and to leland's personal website at only game dot org more than three decades ago. Writer alison mcghee joined the y._w._c._a. In minneapolis it was the first and only jim <hes> she ever joined in the back of a kitchen drawer all my outdated uptown y._w._c._a. Membership cards are rubber banded together. The oldest shows a woman with long dark hair barely out of college. Hello girl i used to be. That's coming up on only a game from n._p._r. Support support for only a game comes from honest beef providing exceptional dryades beef via the most transparent indirect supply chain possible their family ranchers who who believe in their customers right to know where their food comes from come for their family six generations story in stay for the quality of their beef. Try their single animal. Animal dry aged ground beef or twenty ounce dryades rabbis shipped right to your door. They'd like to be your ranchers. Honest beef dot com welcome to the twenty percent. Do you see jesus in the burnt toast. Do you realize that literally there is a bucket of conduct by exit is is this happening. We cannot just say stop. I want to get off delia season. Five no easy answers just the right questions. I'm carrying given and it's time for three stories. You should know that sound kind of colts fans booing andrew luck last saturday after news broke that the twenty nine year old quarterback is retiring from the n._f._l. And that's where we'll start this week leak. I'm joined by the washington post's jerry brewer and by the boston globe nor prince yati welcome back to both of you. Thank you for having me. Thank you karen all right jerry. You get a started karen nora the story that might define the n._f._l. Season is already happened. Andrew luck at twenty nine years old has left the game because of a rash asha injuries over the past four years. He says it's just robbed him of his passion. For the game. It is one of the most modern stories because has the news broke on twitter and it was delivered to colts fans and they middle of a preseason game which is why they booed but the greater question now becomes without one of the best players in the n._f._l. What is going to be the lasting impact. The thing that stands out most to me is that okay so luck was drafted in twenty twelve twelve and he's part of this twenty twelve quarterback class. That's always been really fascinating to me. Luck was in an offense that wants it had him kind of looked at him as the savior take all their problems and they felt like they didn't need to invest in offensive lineman and as a result of that plus you know to a degree his own playing style he he was hit more than really any quarterback in football and it was a major factor in him getting hurt so much a on it led to this tragedy ajeti for the sport because this is one of the most exciting players that we've had cold fans are upset right. They booed. They're claiming that they're going to give up their season tickets but they're they're not giving up their season. That's not really as you point out the really upset at the wrong person and i am not one of those people who wants to see we all the football players walk away from the game so that the game dies like i really love football. I want it to continue but i would like to see enough players. Walk away from the game for teams and owners coaches all of these people to realize that if you don't do more to protect the bodies in the minds of these men your product will will suffer. How many more does the game have to lose for that to happen. Jerry karen i. I think we would need six to eight. Don't even a dozen. He saw san francisco linebacker patrick willis. One of the best linebackers in the league was on a hall of fame track. He quit a couple of years years ago. Rob gronkowski seem like he played for fifty years but he was only twenty nine years old when he retired so i if you if you had another another rash in which players decided look a i've made a lot of money and it's my time. I think that would force the n._f._l. To consider things but we're still talking about inching in that direction instead of really marching in the direction yeah all right well. I wanna talk about something that is somewhat related aided <hes> since last saturday retired n._f._l. Fullback leron mcclain has been tweeting about his struggles getting help under the billion dollar n._f._l. Concussion incursion settlement and most of what he says. I can't actually say on the radio but here are a few cleaned up raises. Help me please please pray. Hey for me scared for my life. I mean these are the kinds of things he's talking about so i think it's a good time to talk about what's been going on with the n._f._l.'s concussion settlement so the n._f._l. Has paid out on many of the largest most serious claims and at last count six hundred and sixty million dollars in awards had been approved but we all know c. T. e. can't be diagnosed until after death. So more than sixty percent of the players filing under the settlement <music> are filing under early or moderate dementia and of the eighteen hundred of those claims filed only three hundred twelve have been paid and what players mclean and their families are saying is that they need help and instead. They're getting buried under a never ending stream stream of paperwork and appeals audits nora. What do you make of all this well first and foremost it's just really sad yeah because when you read those tweets i'm i'm not a doctor of course but they don't read as though they're coming from someone who's in a clear frame of mind it. It just makes you feel sort of helpless and just sort of disgusted that an organization as powerful as the n._f._l. Is letting that happen happen. You know that it's within their power to do a lot and so when you see an example lake that you just feel like why like why is this guy getting buried in paperwork. That's that's been. The main challenge for guys is just all of the paperwork. How do you get approved wendy. You get approved and does it happen in time. Because of course they're sort of fighting writing o'clock here if they feel like they have an aleman that mostly falls into the category of something degenerative karen nor the n._f._l. Has to ask itself question. Are we a tough sport that is going to take care of its players during their careers and after or are we a barbaric sport <hes> the more stories that we hear about players contemplating or following through on suicide because something is wrong with their head i think of of a running back larry johnson who played for the kansas city chiefs <hes>. There's a washington post story by kent babb written about how he's just. He's worried that he's losing it the the lee right now. They're just trying to protect the money that they have. They need to worry about <hes> protecting the reputation of the sport down the road and so on in that sense compassion is also good strategy and the n._f._l. Oh needs to start thinking more strategically about this issue. Yeah it's true it's a really weird comparison that keeps popping into my mind so my husband and right now are fighting with a extended warranty company about our dishwasher which isn't working properly and it is so annoying because they just just keep wanting more things. I wanna photo. No i want five photos and the n._f._l. Is using these tactics on its players who the very nature of their disease makes it difficult to jump through all these hoops. Call me crazy but the n._f._l. Should be better than an extended warranty company all right nora you do you well okay so we have kind of an all football do three sadness. This is my jam uh-huh but with a little bit of soccer thrown in because i am here to talk about soccer god carli lloyd who on august twentieth nailed held a fifty five yard field goal should have a running start at a ravens eagles joint practice now this happened and instead of the world ablaze because there is some talk in the aftermath about could she kick in an n._f._l. Game and then there was a reaction to that which was really fascinating to me because you had a lot of people who i swear to you have never considered the tackling tackling skills of a kicker in their entire lives all of a sudden really concerned really might not be able to do it and she she might get taken out and people just tell on themselves so easily wonderful so i don't really care if carli lloyd is like an amazing n._f._l. Kicker like she's. She's an amazing soccer player. That's the point my thing is. I think the reaction to this is crazy because we shift so quickly into. She needs to prove herself worthy. When it's like okay regular season it would still be really cool but also people were talking about this relative to her kicking an n._f._l. Preseason game as someone who watched a more than three and a half hour preseason game on thursday night. Do you know what a blessing carli lloyd would've been. We need carli lloyd. Karl lloyd does not need nora sebastian. Jankowski two hundred and sixty pound kicker played in the n._f._l. For nineteen seasons he had nineteen career your tackles kickers. Avoid contact like you said that that is a fake concern for people who wonder if it's just gonna be the giant p._r. Stunt one is an n._f._l. Team ever liked distraction. I would like to see her. Try just because i'm curious but i don't think about it necessarily surly from a gender standpoint i think about it from the standpoint of here's one of the greatest athletes of all time in one sport testing herself in another and i think you learn a lot about greatness through some of these things you don't see this as a gender thing but for me carli lloyd's gender her is really important and this is where i'm coming from so <hes> i'm all about the silly stories today so i this friend and <hes> she is the biggest n._f._l. Dell fan i know male or female but the last time she and i went to a game together we're standing in the security line and we get the no chicks chant right yeah yeah patriots game craziness and then we get to our seats and she's telling me all about she's a tiny little thing. She's telling me all about how she can't find a shirt in her size that isn't pink sparkly or like overtly sexy and she loves this game more than any anyone i know now and yet it just keeps like telling her that she doesn't belong and i know that if she saw carli lloyd on the field the she would know that she belongs and maybe this is me being way overly optimistic but maybe the next time someone starts the no chick chance and security line. Someone will tell them to shut up. Okay wait hold on if any woman is that it patriots game and has people yelling no chicks at that like my d._m.'s are open for you. That's unbelievable got. I met i come at it a little bit more from jerry's perspective where it's just i just want to see someone tries something and then all of a sudden instead of that being the central focus. It's we'll go to make tackle and that's the gendered part of it which i find very frustrating because it is getting in the way of watching someone test themselves as an athlete so i i think that's why i find it so frustrating all right my guess for this week's edition of three stories you should know have been the washington post jerry brewer and the boston globe nor prince yati thanks to both of you. Thank you thank you karen. I'm gonna go yell now for some a gym is is just a place to go and work out but for alison mcghee a writer living in minneapolis. It's something more in the back of a kitchen drawer all my outdated uptown y._w._c._a. Membership cards are rubber banded together. The oldest shows a woman with long dark hair barely out of college. Hello girl rely used to be the most recent shows a middle aged woman with a messy blonde bob the day the uptown. Y opened decades ago. Now was the day okay. I became a member. It was the first and only jim i've ever joined. The y. holds the invisible ghosts of my past selves cbs. There's the locker i stood before after showering when i was nine months pregnant and turned to see a gaggle of high school girls staring at me some unable to stop laughing at the sheer size of my belly a kind of fascinated horror in there is there's the fit kids jim which privately nicknamed the sick kids gym where where i used to leave my three little kids so i could work out. There's a huge pool. We used to haul them to on steamy minneapolis summer days. There's the desk behind which a male staffer for said when he overheard me the focused and quiet why member who goes there solo only to work out laugh unexpectedly show. You really should smile almar. It totally changes your look to die. Long schooled in womanhood internally responded. Has anyone in your life ever told you to smile more <unk> but outwardly just smiled a weary polite smile. There's the track around which when it's too hot or cold or icy outside i have run jogged. Ugh walked lunged an interval approximately three thousand times. There's the drinking fountain where i've patiently waited behind others where others have patiently waited behind me. There is the weight room where over three years i once observed in wonder a young round soft woman gradually transform herself into one of the most muscular people i have ever seen. She still goes to the y. And so do i and and there's a hallway where after an absence of months i want saw a beautiful woman. I worked out next to for years. Walking unsteadily between her two suns the unrecognized on her face. The protectiveness of her sons hushed me early onset dementia. I watched her walk around the track. Each son holding an arm her body remembered its routines the comfort and calm of ritualized movement. I can relate to that though i've moved many times from various apartments to various houses the uptown why despite remodeling policy changes additions and subtractions of machines and classes aerobics to zimba to spin to body flow to vanessa has remained constant in my life when i joined the y. I was childless and driven and getting up at four thirty in the morning to right and right in hopes that someday somehow i would write the beautiful book. I dreamed of writing now at midlife children grown. I'm still driven. That beautiful book. I dream of writing still hovers before me invisible in the invisible air once a few years ago when i was leaving the track for the weight room. A man came up to me. Are you ellison the writer. He said my wife and i love your novelist. I looked at him in surprise. This man i didn't recognize and thanked him has he been coming to the y. For all these years over a lifetime we return to certain places again and again and again physical manifestations nations of how and where we have chosen to spend our lives sometimes i stop and close my eyes and breathe and thank my muscles and bones it's and blood and brain and heart for all the work they do on my behalf day in and day out year in and year out to keep me alive how they will keep doing so until the moment i di- how magical our bodies are and the memories they hold in those moments the uptown y mundane one dane cinderblock building that it is feel sacred to me a temple of time and work and love and memory <music> alison mcghee is a new york times bestselling writer her most recent novels are never coming back and what i leave behind and we first aired her essay last august clemson fan dean cox through about two hundred dollars years worth of two dollar bills in the air at the two thousand fourteen citrus bowl. He says it was well worth it. I've got friends in oklahoma that had i nodded not a did that we would never met. That's just ahead on only a game and remember to follow us on facebook and twitter at only a game n._p._r. <music> take a deeper dive into the art lives and legacies of billie holiday ella fitzgerald and the women who played a vital role all in inventing american popular music watch videos read essays essays and here the full turning the tables playlists at n._p._r. Dot org slash turning the tables. I'm karen given next week on only a game. The small island of pompeii had never before won in international soccer match until they got a coach who'd never before coached team but now charlie peers is here with the week's news hi charlie early mike herron all previous reports to the contrary. There is now a resolution to antonio brown's helmet drama and it comes with a paycheck. It's great aac it turns out that now having gone through this whole thing including going to arbitrators and losing by the way antonio brown is not only going to have a designer helmet made for him. He's gonna get paid for it and according to his agent he has quote unquote multiple offers from various companies to custom make ailment worm and pay him for using it. If this was just a boy to get more money this masterpiece just to catch people people who might be confused. The helmet brown had used his entire career was discontinued and he had a lot of trouble finding a new one. Do you really think this is over for this time. I mean the new helmet hasn't actually been made. Let alone approved. There's still time for a third grievance over this thing. I'm sure but he's gonna get his check. Whether the thing is approved after not so it'd be it's not his fault doesn't get improved. They're going to pay him to put his name on it. You know i think there's also speed his recovery from the burns on his feeing in paris for cryotherapy we shouldn't laugh. I'm gary payton. They were very i painfully but they are unique in the annals of n._f._l. Injuries that's true charlie when ice cube launched the big three basketball league in two thousand seventeen. It was billed old as a way for former n._b._a. Players to keep playing but now it seems like it might be a way for former n._b._a. Players to make it back to the n._b._a. Right yeah looks like joe. Johnson may get a you know. He's going to work out for a bunch of teams. I did not realize joe johnson was thirty eight years old but it does seem like he was drafted by the boston celtics shortly after up cousy. He was the big three league m._v._p. And now you're gonna work out for the clippers and the box in the seventy sixers if he can be the new of vince carter. That's fine with me. I don't care absolutely all right quiz time charlie michael jordan retired from the n._b._a. More than fifteen years ago so how much do you think he made on his endorsement deal with nike last year one hundred and forty five million dollars by any chance. I think it's one hundred and thirty so yeah i mean the guy can make money that he doesn't even know he's making. I think you know i think he's oh you know. You get surprised every couple of months with another like statement from summer. I'll look i made fourteen million dollars. Look at that. You'll get that my favorite guam. When did that happen. My favorite part of this is that jordan earns more than the next six closest earners combined right. That's lebron. James kevin durant steph curry kobe bryant james harden and zion williamson. I guess they should be like mike on edition. They should try to be like my good for zion by the way to get in the end even play a game in the n._b._a. The equal pay fight has come to the u._f._c. charlie early page. Van zandt has one more fight left on our contract and then she says she wants a quote significant pay raise and before we start receiving the emails yes women headline u._f._c. events and yes people pay to watch them right. Certainly this is a woman who is broken same arm twice. She's only twenty five. I mean she's obviously got a career. I had on this and she makes more money on instagram than she does fighting a life to be had outside of the octagon and she's cash again on it. The problem is just gonna stay in the octagon and while she does that she should get paid more carolina panthers running back. Christian mccaffrey has taken issue with his madden in twenty avatar. What did they get his ratings wrong with actually know karen they depicted him wearing a hand warmer on his belt which you never know actually well that that's true but that's what he complained about because christian mccaffrey is a cool guy but actually the christian mccaffrey in the game is a black player and christian christian mccaffrey is definitely not my favorite response is from christian mccaffrey ma who says well maybe oops already. They had to find out this way eighty seven and who i presume is his father may not be your realtor and finally finally charlie milwaukee brewers star christian yelich posed nude for e._s._p._n.'s baden-powell and twitter user named rock sanjay was dismayed. She said quote. It's really sad to see how you didn't give a thought about all those young kids that idolize you before doing your naked photo suit straight face emoji distasteful. How did yelich respond. Why change his walk up music to roxanne. That was the second response to rock sanjay. The first one was to tell her to relax and he did not have the guts to use relaxed by frankie goes to hollywood as his walk up music prior. That shirley pearce joins us each week at this time here on only game. Thanks charlie scared. Next saturday texas am will be in south carolina to play the clemson tigers college football's reigning national champion in last year's game between these two powerhouses took place in college station. The home of the texas am aggies. Clemson fans made a big impression russian there as they always do with the help of a very unusual currency only a games gary wallet has the story adam. Drake is an easy going doing guy in fact you can call him. Almost anything you like. Adam drake the drake drake whatever lungs it's not late for the chicken. The chicken is the dixie chicken restaurant a hotspot before and after texas a._m. Home games and i will say that aggie fans are the nicest best fan base in the entire world. Drake works for dixie chicken so you'd expect him to say that but lots of rival fan groups also visit the restaurant when their teams are in town town. I've been there for games with the university of texas. The baylor bears have come in tennessee and alabama and auburn all these great s._e._c. schools but honestly mostly the best that has been there. It has been clemson what sets fans of clemson tigers apart. It all began with a man named george bennett. We've just had a lot of fun with it down. Through the years bennett clemson class of nineteen fifty five returned to his alma mater in nineteen sixty seven to work in fundraising fundraising and development at that time clemson's biggest annual game was against georgia tech which had been played in atlanta almost every year since nineteen eighteen o three and that was kind of what we call our big money game so to speak. We were getting a pretty hefty paycheck. Clemson is a national power and now but back in the seventies. The tigers were a team top programs like georgia tech would pay to come to town and usually lose but clemson routers is love. The georgia tech game bennett estimates that each year fifteen to seventeen thousand clemson fans would make the one hundred mile trip to atlanta. They'd spend lots of money in the city's restaurants hotels and stores but in early nineteen seventy seven georgia tech contacted clemson to to say we're going to cash lot contract and we're going to replace you with william and mary bennett was angry. That clemson was being snubbed in favor of a mediocre football program graham from a non major conference as for the atlanta business community as day manager of the hyatt hotel says while really hope that we will bring mary because that'll be the biggest crowd they bring down here but before the contract expired clemson and georgia tech were scheduled to play one more game on september twenty fourth nineteen seventy seven george bennett started thinking about a way to make clemson's traditional rival regret its decision so last last one i came up with the idea less. Everybody take two dollar bills down to atlanta. Bennett wanted people to realize the economic compact the clemson community made when it traveled. Nobody was using a two dollar bill at all that was the whole deal was do something that was unusual. Tinto's we make a big impact. Then a twenty dollar bill would so bennett rallied tigers fans on september twenty fourth. They arrived by the thousands zain's in atlanta for the big georgia tech game in bennett's words. They covered the city in two dollar bills cab drivers the hotel clerk's the bell hops waitresses and waiters in restaurants. We would tell people you know. This is a clump some two dollar bill. We had such big time with it. The little out of constitution journal wrote a big story about it and so that was the starlet it was too late to put georgia tech games back on the schedule but bennett thought it would be a good idea to keep bringing dollar bills to away games and then we decided to mark the two dollar bills taga powell's on it bennett bottoming winning pad clemson orange of course and a custom logos stamp. Clemson's logo was based on an actual pa print of a bengal tiger and he got to you work stamping bills. He encouraged others to do the same tonight. I'm back thirty third gator bowl game on december thirtieth nineteen seventy seven bennett and his fellow clem sonian distributed the two dollar bills at the gator bowl as clemson played pittsburgh bennett says bowl committee members began asking for them. It became a college football sensation anything clemson. I'm there. That's that's deemed cocks his friends and he has a lot of them all around the country. Call him the hat. I'm dressed in orange and purple and that big orange cowboy hat is always there when i've got on that orange blazer my pocket where handkerchief usually goes exist to dollar bills now a lot of pay says man. You bet take those out. You can get mugged but i hadn't been mugged yet. The hat stamps his own two dollar bills. He's i've been developing his technique for four decades. The taco is gotta be stamp perfect. It's gotta be stamped. Turn to one o'clock outdo one on the left bottom corner outdo one and then right top corner. I'll do one within looks like a tiger step for the last last ten years under head coach dabo sweeney the tigers have been a powerhouse and with the team and bigger ballgames there have been more opportunities for clemson fans to distribute their orange and green cabbage. The hats correctly stamped two dollar bills were out in full force at the two thousand fourteen gene citrus bowl where clemson took on oklahoma and we were on the first row upper deck at told oklahoma people i said every time we score on my throat. Two dollar bills overboard to the people in the lower deck early on the game was a blowout and oklahoma. People wanted to throw rotate dollar bills so they came over. They said wait fixing score. Can i have a couple to throw and finally my wife. She'd give me that look. She said you do realize us. Two dollars. Bills are real money and that gets expensive. How much do you think you spent that day. I would say probably through two hundred dollars worth two dollars bills that i i put the hat says it was worth it. I i've got friends in oklahoma that had i not a dead that we would never met once in columbia south carolina our line. The hat tried to buy something at the home stadium of the archrival university of south carolina gamecocks that just like nope. We're not taking that so what what was your response. We gave them a twenty but almost everywhere else clemson. Two dollar bill is coveted. George bennett saw that firsthand before the orange bowl a few years ago when he and his wife checked into a miami hotel and all of a sudden. This guy comes walking up and he's speaking speaking foreign language that i didn't know i asked the clerk behind a desk. What does he won't. They said he wants one of you two dollar bills so i just i gave him a tube automobile. Well he turned around and gave me a hundred yearo. Bennett says his wife later exchanged that one hundred euro note for one hundred twenty nine dollars and all clips and people were saying. Where's that guy whereas i've got plenty of dollar bills. I'll be glad to give you. I'm bill harley. I'm senior vice president here. With first citizens bank clemson south carolina harleys bank provides orange ink pads and tiger palm stamps right alongside the withdrawal and deposit slips so customers can stamp their two dollar bills right on the premises but the demand for the banks crisp two dollar bills often exceeds the supply that led to a problem right before the twenty seventeen college football national title game between clemson and alabama mom. These people got really upset at us that we'd only give them fifty dollars worth of two dollars bills so they stole our stamps. No one at the bank really seemed to mind and clemson beat alabama thirty five thirty one for the twenty seventeen national title two years later clemson again played for the national title. The hat was there with his wife. He brought four hundred two dollar. Bills tigers reclaimed their crown by alabama. The the hat received congratulatory messages from friends he had met in rival college towns across the country including from adam drake at the dixie chicken can georgia tech played just one game against william and mary that was in nineteen seventy nine. The clemson georgia tech rivalry rivalry resumed in one thousand nine hundred eighty three but that probably had more to do with the fact that georgia tech had joined the a._c._c. The conference clemson was in so george benefits idea for the clemson. Two dollar. Bill may not have saved the georgia tech game but it did establish a tradition. I had no earthly idea that that this would be going on. As long as it is the younger generation they really care in it now and we always say go tigers. That story came from only game scary wallich. Only a game is produced by martin kessler and gary wallich with from kyrie thompson. Our technical director is mark. He's neil our executive. Producer is me special. Thanks this week to arlo more blum. Who's internship is ended but don't worry. We'll be hearing from arlo again again soon. We just approved his first story pitch. I'm karen given only a game returns next week. Thanks for listening.

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EP 108 | Dear America LIVE! | Cant go to church BUT we can riot?! | Guest: Jerry Falwell Jr.

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EP 108 | Dear America LIVE! | Cant go to church BUT we can riot?! | Guest: Jerry Falwell Jr.

"We're live. Okay Jay. It took a second. To hearing the interim once going on. and welcome to deer. Live live from Liberty University. We have a very special guest president Jerry Falwell Living University. Thank you so. Honored to be with you, I'm Jerry though okay well I'm okay Mister Jerry's then all right. We do that I I we have to talk about Liberty University. The sponsor title sponsor of this show ladies, gentlemen. We love everything about liberty. We just spent the past day touring the amazing campus here. Click the link in the bio or the caption or go to www dot liberty dot edu slash dear America! The cool thing about our partnership with liberty. University's Click that link. Your application fee is waived. Why not start now go finish that degree or just start off by going to college here? Why not? We're so thankful. Click the link now. Go Check Out Liberty University Mister Jerry. How are you today, sir? I'm to a wonderful hope. You are oh I'm I'm great? I WanNa talk to you. We're going to have some conversations. The world is crazy right now, and there's a lot of things I'm just looking at Fox News right this second. Let's talk about really quick. Cognac really quick what we gotTa Talk. We have to talk about what's going on. Because I think it's very important to. We talk about this Christianity, a lot right now when when Khan. Yay turned his life over to Christ I was super excited about that. I was. But I also, we had this conversation here. We said well, you know. Maybe maybe he just shouldn't be up there. Preaching quite yet, you know. Maybe we should you know. Maybe we should let him mature in his new faith a little bit, and now we're seeing what's going on with Ganja. Who obviously is having some has a history of bipolar, obviously having some episode. Yes, Avi Z. Social worker life there you go, yes. What what serve from a Christian perspective. What do we need to do is Christians to support Cognac. In Times, like. Full disclosure county now know each other. He called me you go I. Don't know how long ago it was maybe a year six eight months ago and he said Jerry this was on Tuesday. He said I wanted to a church service at liberty, university on Sunday. I said okay. How about the vine? Center? We see ten thousand people. He said No. That's not enough. I said. We're about football stadium. He said I said seats thirty thousand. He said okay that'll work. That'll work, so we talked for talk like four or five times within a few hours, and and he's got check with my publicist I. I got the best publicist in the world, and he said you know who that is. My Wife's book up. She said Becky she said it was. His wife's name Kim Kardashian. SCCM old I don't know. But, but he said Yeah. He said she says is too much to do. He wanted twelve thousand student choir. And he wanted he wanted them to practice twelve hours between Tuesday and Sunday long. Yeah, and so he decided, he said okay. Come after the election, but I'm running for president. Twenty twenty I said no wait. Twenty Four. Wait until twenty four 'cause. You can't oppose my buddy. That's right and he said Okay Jerry. I'll wait till twenty four. Well obviously. You heard. He announced that he's running. He just texted me like two days before and so. He wanted to John well again. This is not me. I'm not attacking Konya here. I'm just bring you up. Legitimate points of the fact of this is the kind of stuff that I think that everybody needs to be aware and always a little weary of right and do do your research. Do your planning and give sound advice to people. I don't I don't know what's going on. I know that Kim. Kardashian just posted an instagram story. Because apparently, that's what you do when your husband is obviously very publicly having issues in front of the world, you just post an instagram story to talk about it. because there's a lot of rumors unfortunately about divorce being thrown around and all this stuff now and anyway. I can't say anything bad about them. I'm not going no, no! Really. For some reason, he reached out to US yeah, of course, and so it's. Actually a friend of mine I went to college with and. We're spending time together and that's how I got my number. Yeah, everyone that I know that knows him has said that Kanye is a really really solid dude. You know, and and so I think that that that what we need to do instead of Internet attacking Konya Right now. Is Show Konya the kind of love that apparently is looking for? In people, that's what I've been trying to do. Yeah, yeah, of course I think. It's really cool that he reached out I. think that's awesome is also in your spiritual walk usually if you want to do something a lot of Christians, I at least try to find ways to justify it right, so they ask the opinion of someone knowing of what they're gonNA say justify their actions. I think it's clear reached out. He's looking. Didn't recognize I. answered it. That's a miracle you're answering. Yeah, especially, especially at the point in life where you are. People probably call you all that you knew that. Let's talk about something that shows the true intellectual qualities of America now have you guys seen this woman in Portland that is like taking her stand against? Oppression by flashing the police, sitting on the ground and people, people are raving this woman as like brave. So brave a symbol of true hope for the country, and that question is the police, do they? Might? You'RE GONNA? ATTRACT WALMER question? Is this okay some thrown at you? L. Up right here if I were to strip naked and just sit down in the middle of the street. I have a hard time believing that they'd be like God. Bless this man for doing this for the country. Just like there's no. There's nothing illegal anymore. Problem exactly, that's a great point, so so the dangerous precedent that we're sending know a lot of people are saying. Uh, it's just a naked woman. What is it really hurting anybody? What about the little kids Oh yeah, what about the little kids? What about Lewd and crude acts right light like? Didn't it used to be a thing? Isn't it what we used to do? Don't we have light rules and laws in our society, but what we're teaching, especially, the younger generations is that if you get a group big enough, or if you just claim that you're doing it in in protest, or or in solidarity with seventy seven, so that well, that's not illegal anymore seems to me like a little bit of female privilege. Don't look at me. Never that Eliza explain yourself at this point. You know that she identifies as female. Wowed Jay. Assume assume. She I well, that's her I was just reading. The article as the article was written. But all right, so so the big thing that we want to talk to you about serve. Is You know cove nineteen? You guys obviously were at the forefront of not bending the knee to this whole outbreak. Thing I know that you guys just now with the New, York Times are going after them and rightfully should. Explain for the audience. He doesn't know what happened. Yes so. Middle of March was our spring break, and so we decided we spent every day meeting about what we would do because we knew some students would have to come back because he had elderly elderly relatives home, they had no high speed Internet, and we take an all their classes to to online, and we also had students who are international. Who couldn't go? So, we knew a certain percentage of those eight thousand students who lived here on campus would come back twelve hundred we did. We did everything by the book takeout food. Only social distancing I'll at. Things when? Me Yeah but here we did it all right. Not One case, but they were here for a few days. They didn't talk to anybody administration. They went to a doctor ten miles away. Who had seen a few kids who upper respiratory? Kohl's and the he explained to them. That's not covid codes lower respiratory What you see I'm not a doctor, but he he told them to talk to the campus doctrine they did. They went back to new. York! They went past twenty. No trespassing signs that we had put up to protect our students, and they were dumb enough to take pictures and published the pictures. There's no trespassing sign, so we swore warrants for their arrest. They had cut a deal to local prosecutors data jail, but then they go back to New York. then. Call US till Sunday. Afternoon gave us the story was already written gave us like two hours to respond. They published a story at. At three o'clock, it was completely a calm, reckless disregard for the truth New York. Times versus Solomon requires. If you're a public figure, you have to prove that was not just a lie. That was reckless disregard for the truth or malicious intent. Yeah and I think we got a chance to get in that case overturned because it's not like that in the U. K. K.. Public figure doesn't have to prove that I'll have to prove his ally. At to collect damages whatever damages we win, we're giving it to. Charities Support Covid victims, so we're not looking for money. We're just looking for truth. The truth what expose these people because they've become Click Bait buzzfeed type operation. That's all they are, so sir, and I think that's great and you should and the New, York? Times has not been nice. We got the meanest lawyer in the world they. From new. New York City close represents. He's represented Allama Donald Trump. On Hannity and a whole bunch of others that I'm not supposed to they go. My lawyers from Boston and he's pretty. Either way so so I think you should New York Times is not been kind to us over the years, and they deserve whatever they get my opinion, walk me through the thought process of when all the other universities were just shutting it down. NOPE, it's over, you know. Just just go home. We're not doing anything. What was the thought process for? You guys when you said you know what no, we're not going to do this. What we're going to not live in fear of something that at that time. Nobody knew really anything. Kids had nowhere else to go, and so we. I mean the campus looked practically empty. Because twelve hundred on a campus built for eight thousand delivery with fifteen thousand students, a lot of those live in town, so it wasn't like it was crowded or anything right all. Academic buildings rope open so spread out and so. We just thought a lot of other schools did the same thing they did have cases though and. The international students, you can't just no. Sorry? Though place for you to go, we'll. They couldn't literally could not fly. allowed. Yes, we do put them out in St. exactly yeah so. Anyway just we just thought it was the right thing to do it worked, and it's finding that the one school that they attacked. Is the one that had zero case. Doesn't that? State House! Doesn't make sense I mean why wouldn they do at the end of the day you know. And so anyway poetic. I. Like that all right? There's a lot more than we want to get into today, but before we do that, we gotta get into we. The People Holsters record. Numbers of people are buying guns and ammunition for the first time. If you're one of them, please be safe and please wholesome that new handgun in a we. The people holsters starting just thirty nine dollars we. The people are custom designed to fit your firearm perfectly and made right here in America. They have thousand thousands of options like blue lives matter the constitution, even faith. You can do that. Why not go to we the People Holzer's. Holzer's DOT com slash ground to get yours. Every holzer ships free and comes with a lifetime guarantee get an additional ten dollars off of the CO G. R.. A. H. A. M., go to we. The people holsters dot com slash Graham. That's we. The people dot com offer code Graham all right, so let's move on here. Let's talk about fake polls for a minute and how many guns have sold in the last few months? Oh, record shattering! We have a big arch. Foundation has a big event coming up and we're having a hard time. Getting bullets is there is a sold out which yes? Thank. You KELTEC for helping us out there for charity event. We really appreciate that Let's talk about fake polls minute. This is this is really been circling around. We did a video about this earlier in the week. That right now. Unfortunately even Fox, news every major news alley is reporting that Joe Biden has a fifteen point national lead. On president trump with they don't tell you is. President? Trump didn't win the popular vote. Well, exactly and they also don't tell you that. They select who they poll. Not by WHO's a likely voter they. It's weighted towards Democrats Oh. Of course, so it's the same as it was in two thousand sixteen. They also put in really fine print in those articles that they only interviewed a thousand people. and. That is the national. That is the national opinion of what's going on thousand, but here's what I want to talk about well. We brought this up on Monday. I WANNA. Talk about how many people. Come to the defense of those polls. That's what shocking to me. How many people come up and say? Do you not know how polls work? What do you expect them to do? Do you expect them to interview everyone well? I expect him to interview more than four zero zero zero one percent of the population, so there's another factor, too is a lot of people won't admit that there's trump supporters if somebody else's listening, that's why this mail voting is dangerous Oh. Yeah, really dangerous 'cause! I mean people just? Got Somebody looking over their shoulder, and we gotta make sure that we don't let that. Someone's dead cat got a registration in the mail the other day. I wish that was a joke. It's not all right someone's dead cat. There's all kinds of games going. How how in the world does a cat even end up in the conversation? I crazy pizzas. Dead Ants have voted three times. Yeah, I it's. It's insanity, sir, you have a close relationship with president. We've been honored enough to meet the President a couple times now I know from my personal quick conversations I've had a couple of minutes with the president. I I have never. Seen that New Yorker. Thank the people. People automatically associate the president with. Every we've met him and we don't have anything really to offer the president. We don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to donate or add to I mean we're just people and he's always been the nicest funny funny guy. Only two presidents in my lifetime been that way. Jimmy Carter and and Donald Trump all the republicans that your favorite to speak to you. Yeah, author all the Democrats. They're all the latest. I think Obama Clinton Romney and Bush are all part of the same club. And they way they've kept powers divided groups that should be allies. African Americans. White. Jews we should all be allies because we have more in common than we do with the country of crowd. And that's that's Donald, trump. He's for the average American and. We gotta make sure we keep electing people who came from not integrate Jimmy Carter on hardly anything right, but he was from the private sector it was successful in business, and he loved people, and he's a great man and Donald. Trump is the only other one I can remember Reagan was. You know he was. He was really good, but he's not. He was a little. More like royalty, no! But I just those two presidents are my favorite. My lifetime well the only presidents. The furthest back President that I remember since I've been born was I. don't remember Bush. Senior I was a little bit before I- cognitively could recall things Clinton is my first station, a girl Yeah, right like we really grew up during the Clinton years. We had Jimmy Carter. Speak here for commencement, really. But one thing I've noticed with the New Democratic Party that in the last few years. They seem to be choosing candidates like Hillary Clinton Joe Biden and this Muller Guy Everybody thought he was brilliant when he got on the stand. Joe Biden Mumbling Yeah. They choose people that taking control one hundred. Hillary couldn't even stand up. Who Do we Who Do we think Joe Biden's VP is going to be? He says matter WHO's VP's. You don't know who's going to be control on all. Well, that's true. It's these wild left wing nuts well well. We believe that the real play is to get by in there, and then very quickly by something's going to happen. Tell you I think they want to keep him alive. Alive and just control them. Just having do whatever puppet yeah I mean. You're probably right at this point George Bush George. W is one of those that that has shocked me. The most I think when it all comes down to. It chose John Roberts the very true, but but but that's my point like you know. Obviously, it was two thousand one, so I was in middle school when when he got elected. Sixty two. Well there we go. Just a few more years, just a couple of years, different Sir I mean you know we're basically the same person at this point No, but you know I remember. You know the Texas in Texas governor. Texas boy. You know wasn't necessarily the favorite child you know I mean he was going to go in there and chase him stuff, yeah, and man I. Don't really know what has happened since then plays the role of the guy that you'd WanNa. Hang out with have a beer bear with. Exactly and He turned out to be somebody different. I agree I. Agree Okay, so let's talk about the issues that are going on right now and while we do that. If you're watching this broadcast right now, hit the share button. Because the more you share, the more people come in the more people see what's going on in this next part is especially important, because we're talking about our liberties and our freedoms as Americans, and we're talking about religious freedoms. We're talking about civil rights everything you want. And the thing that is scared me the most during these past three and a half I. Guess it's been like four months now. is how quickly so many Americans have just been like. Whatever just just just sure. Tell me what I can do. Tell me when I can go outside. Tell me when I can open the doors to my business, even though I can't feed my family peaceful slavery, tell me. That I can't go to church. And and and we are still there, and it seemed like for like maybe three weeks things might start to be get back to normal in. California leading charge again California shuts everything down all the restaurants all the gems all the churches, even though two churches were open. They said you can't sing in church. Sir from your personal opinion your experience. Obviously Linda University your your times in the church. Day everything from a Christian perspective. What are we dealing with here? Out of respect for people who are older, I've worn a mask one time. That was Jerry Lewis. House this weekend and is because he's eighty four. The only time I've worn and not make sense I. Don't think has. With that, but I keep my distance I. Do keep my distance from people more than I used to, but. I think we just need to get back to regular life I think buyers has to run its course. We have to show respect for older people, and you're talking about how earth trump was when I was setting and Jerry Lee Lewis is living room the other day I got the president on the phone he talked to Jerry leads. That's awesome Jerry. Lee said you might hear Mr President. That is cool. But but but but the thing that concerns me Sir is is especially as Christians. Okay, so so let's just talk from the Christian perspective, not the political perspective. We're letting people. Tell us how we can worship win. We can worship where we can worship how we can worship. To me I think that we have allowed a Trojan Horse in here what we've done first few months. walmarts targets were pack packed out Oh. Yeah, lows, Lowe's. Home Depot but churches renting right. So. What's what's the logic behind that? There's not much commonsense to it which is. This thing and we've talked about this a lot. If this thing was an existential threat. V. And I'm not negating that there is obviously a virus and I'm not negating. There's obviously a less than one percent of the population that that that has passed away due to it, but the truth. Hard reality of this is those were either elderly people. That that it was going to happen some point. How do elderly people pass away? Flu The flu, the flu or their body finally gives out their immune systems become compromised. I mean that is the cycle of life to an extent. As tragic as it may be, I'm not negating that, but what I'm saying is that is the circle of life I mean that is how that is how things happened. But we're using something. That has a ninety nine point nine nine eight percent recovery rate. And we're using it to control Americans, and what's most concerning is we're using it to control. Christian Americans is what it seems to Christian conservative Americans, because people that are, you would guess on the Democratic side or the liberal side of things they seem to have found the loopholes to be able to go out and do what they want. The constitution says we have the right to peaceful assembly doesn't say there's a virus corner. Our Constitution we've got a lawsuit ready to file against the governor if he tries to pull any crap here at liberty this. If? He tries to make us have fifty percent occupancy or No more than so many people in the room. He's got a lawsuit. HITTING THEM I don't know if you're able to answer this or not search so if you're. Not or blanket me. What what's it like living in the state where Ralph Northam is the governor? What's that live got a button that says my governors Eddie. All, right, he then needed by twice thought. Man Northern Virginia that elected him. I just have no words sometimes, but between the it's really Washington DC. DC, suburbs that control Virginia politics now and so the rest of us. It's just the rest of the state is red as it can be, but that's what it feels like. It is but but it feels that way in a lot of state. Allots. Leading the yesterday, but I'm leading the movement to move a lot of counties to west. Virginia where the only two states that have a special loophole in our constitutions. The county's from Virginia can move. Really, because West, Virginia split off Virginia in eighteen, sixty three, so the governor and I governor West Virginia and I, did a press conference inviting people and we're sending texts out took hundreds of thousands of registered voters to get it on a ballot this fall, maybe wills. Northern Virginia. Well well. That's interesting called it. Has Tagged exit via X T. Virginia Exit. So, so let's get into another sponsor. Really quick since we're talking about Virginia. Let's talk about Virginia based Red Aero-weapons Weapons. You have to deal with Ralph North. A lot lays gentleman. If right now is the time, if ever, it has become more apparent that our second amendment rights are so vitally important for you and your families, it is right now. Go check out. RED AERO-WEAPONS DOT COM and get you a one hundred percent made in America right here in Virginia believe it or not down roads. Mile seventy miles down the road. We looked it up this morning. RED ARROW WEAPONS DOT com. Go check them out. Amazing Air Rifles. The six point, five creed Moore's my favorite. Go to ridder a weapons DOT COM and check them out right now. Let's talk about canceled culture for a minute now. I saw an article that I believe it was a real article. Lynchburg has to play here. And I saw that you're pro that or at least not against it from what from what I read in the article. And, so how? How do you feel about can't culture I? Don't know Tom Okay all right. That's what I talk to Lynchburg is surrounded by four counties that are mainly conservative. Right the city itself is. And they charged the highest meals taxes the highest. Lodging taxes they other words. They try to rip off people that can't in the city. So that's what we've had to deal with, but they also we're the wealthiest second wealthiest city in the country per capita in eighteen hundreds new Bedford Massachusetts I. was a bunch of carpetbaggers came down to the Built. Industries to take advantage of cheap labor because agriculture was dying in the South and my ancestors were moving closer to cities and going to work in the factories, and they paid starvation wages. They kept the interstate highways out. They kept the railroad out. Because it didn't want to. Didn't want to have to compete for that Labor Pool. They want a cheap labor, and so that group of wealthy people. kind of inbred now, but but their descendants are. We're from Mississippi. Going to hurt our feelings. For. Descendants of tried to keep control, so they fought liberty. We built a big university in. I mean says my father died in two thousand seven. We've gone from Zero Endowment for years. We struggle to survive. From nineteen seventy, one until nineteen to two thousand seven, we built the largest. Unrestricted endowment that's ever been built, and that sort amount time two billion dollars, or the sixteenth largest unrestricted endowment, the culture. We spent one point six billion here on campus as why everybody young person listening needs to come here, they go. Yeah, follow the link in the caption. That was good. That was good. Aa Division One sports. We want a ball game last year. We? Got Everything young person could want I mean it's just a great place to plug it because I actually went to Moody Bible Institute I'm sorry, but you're not supposed to tell people that. Because I said I. Almost people I regret it, but after coming here, we had the conversation. I kinda wish I could go back. We've already told our kids. Seventy five hundred eight thousand acres, all kinds of recreation I mean. Kids an excuse to ever. Tour. It would be my plug because I really can't imagine it until you hear, and it really is really gorgeous and needs everyone kind of the reason we've been so successful is because we. Just are different. We don't do what other universities do. They're all indoctrination camps, the one hundred politically correct. Politically correct political correctness is their religion as it if a conservative kids picks up to get ridiculed. And we don't do that. Anybody wants to saving wants to say it. And that used to be the way all colleges were, and so the only reason we've been successful because we're smarter than everybody else is just. We're just like colleges supposed to operate. Okay, well well, so then obviously, the article I saw was was not no, no Lynchburg. Birthright. Back to Lynchburg. City at name is I'm against to change it for two reasons one. It sounds like people were steer. They never wore, but it's also named after quakers are pacifist. It wouldn't fight in the revolutionary. There my ancestors did when they they left back in the seventeen hundreds to. They fought in the revolutionary war. Yeah, the quakers were hated so much. They got run out of Virginia because they wouldn't fight. Yeah, so it's two reasons. One is named after quakers. Pacifist us is associated pacifist. There you go and. It's really not nobody was. It was never a racial hotspot. So so, so, what would what would your? What were your? What would your replacement idea be? said it, they would never do it. We'll talk about it after after we're live right so so so but going back to cancer culture now I. I've actually got a news hit after this show and we're talking about. The House is supposed to vote today, or they either have voted already. I'd have to check about taking down. The confederate statues around DC around the capital and things like that. I am I. Am Anti doing that and I'm going to say why and then I'd love to go around the room. I know one is negating no sane person is negating that slavery was horrible and that. In, and that it is a stain on America that will be there for forever, but it's a necessary stain in my opinion, because it shows how far we've come as an American society of us more than that, you gotta go back. Slavery existed for centuries in the world. Europeans brought. is in a lot of places. This was not the United States when they all started. This was a colony of Britain. Okay, so we WANNA revolutionary war somehow a bunch of Ragtag. rednecks rednecks. Me Somehow we defeated the. Strongest military power in the world time wasn't supposed to happen. Yeah, then it only took US eighty years to get rid of what had been centuries of slavery eighty years. Where else in the world could that have happened I? Completely agree so I disagree as a state. We're the ones that got rid of true true. Well, you're right, bad wording. What I'm saying is the reason that people are wanting to get rid of. It is because they've you it now. As this remembrance of this horrible time. That is that is that is. All these people and people can't sleep at night because they're great. Great, great ancestors or great, great great great ancestors. I don't even think they know have. Dollars. Go ahead go ahead. It's going to take us on a different. Okay. Well, let me. We'll come back so so I am anti getting rid of things because I'm anti trying to change or eliminate history, fact is southern. Democrats were wrong. Okay, yeah, I'm and my family, and and you said it right southern, democrat I have to be Brag a little bit. My family were southern Republicans and so. My GRANDAD's businesses. He had nightclubs hotels in the twenty s bus lines. It must integrated employees of any any company. Yeah Dad Grandma. Reopen the county and. Blacks and whites live right next to. France I still do, but anyway that's. Southern Democrats who? Is the reason. It took two years to get rid of slavery. Yeah, if you ever watched the movie, Free State of Jones Yep. Sure have with. Tells the whole story the Republicans? Went into, vote. When counted the that I remember that a bunch of them voted. Yes, move said three of them voted or Out Three. It's I'm telling you. It was the Democrats responsible for Jim Crow. They were the ones that opposed Civil Rights Act, Yup and I'll say that. I don't care what makes man. Again but by eliminating history. You're removing that very very valuable piece of information. Yeah, the Democrat, you see what I'm saying. into me. Everybody needs to be reminded that they're the reason. It took us a while to get things straight. One. All, right. Curious because there is so much because I went to a very liberal college, and it is kind of pushed down your throat, and that was like thirteen years ago. How does liberty how are y'all fighting the fact that a lot of these kids now coming in really aren't getting real history. It's a problem. It really is a lot of. Fortunately a lot of our students, not a lot, but some are or home school, so they do get district. GRANDA, but we here. We just have to start from scratch and teach it. So it's simple all right. Let's get into our next sponsor. And then I want to talk to you about just resolve in general because you and your family and this university are no strangers to criticism and hate and I would love to, because a lot of our listeners want to know that, but before we do, let's get in to score master dot com created by credit data site credit data scientists, the average score master user raises their credit score by sixty one points in twenty days or less Eliza. Call this number when we're done. Contact are. Couple points one listener, razor, credit score, one hundred and two points in just eleven, days and other razor score, fifty three points and seventeen days score master is the new science that super boost your credit score faster and easier than anything. You've ever tried score master. Put you in control of your credit score. This is how you add points to your credit score fast. Having your best credit score helps every area in your life getting A. A home loan buying a car refinancing literally everything. 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The first time I put it down and I got it, and then I just roll with it anyway. Score master dot com slash grammar. Okay so let's talk about resolve really quick because. Obviously. We're Christians and we talk about faith, and we talk about resolve, and also I take a lot of heat from our conservative values a lot as well so I get a lot of death threats as I'm sure you and your family unfortunately probably do as well. One of the biggest questions we get is. How do we deal with that? And how do we still continue to make the decisions that we make in a certain area so from from from your perspective? Obviously, your family is super known across the country, the world. You Have Liberty University. You are under a microscope all the time. How do you continue to stand for what you believe not only politically, but spiritually which they're probably both intertwined. How do you do that? Strange but the more. More liberals. Takeoff, I. Could have said something. But the more I took them off the more students. It's crazy. It's like we are at one hundred and eight thousand online adult students right now. Our previous record was ninety, eight, thousand and twenty fourteen while and our resident populations. The same same as it was this time last year, so they they're not scared of covid. They're coming back. Yeah, and but tell you how I do with it. I was standing out in the other night. My socks with fifteen because there was a vehicle parked over, there shouldn't have been there. Wow so I stood, there was moonlight was bright, so I stood in the shade, but if anybody had come up, I could've seen them. I was. Shoot in the air, so they'd take a shot at me. I was GONNA take him out. Man We've had this conversation Mississippi Mississippi Sam Y. You put us. The mailbox with like that. General it was. Fun Dad but you've got to protect yourself. But you speak the truth. You won't believe every friend you lose. You pick up to yeah. No I agree with that one hundred percent. Do you think from a Christian perspective and we've talked about this a lot, but this is your first time on the show, and hopefully we'll have on more unless you hate us, and then you'll never talk to get. Laid. Accepted listen everybody loves them come on my show. From a Christian perspective perspective here. Do you feel the same sense that I feel a lot that we have a lot of? Woke Christianity is become this new trend where Christians don't want to really stand up for what we know. How these young pastors! Skinny jeans. geared scare their own congregation. They're scared to say anything controversial and that's dangerous. Because pastors used to be the leaders. I'm not a pastor I'm a lawyer, but they used to be considered society's leaders and they were. Say it, but they manly men. They were just tough. It was John Wayne, but now. Well. I always liked to say Jesus didn't never care about hurting feeling. Jesus called the religious elite of his day wolves in sheep's clothing hypocrites generation of vipers, and he ran out of the temple whip. What's right now? That's what that's the kind of pastors well. Yeah, exactly and there's a difference between judgment. And speaking what the Bible says to be true when. A. Lot of times in this is life not talking about being judgmental Oh of course, yeah! Exactly and and being being stand firm in what we know to be true I. I say it all the time. I, don't know how you can even look at a at a politician. That is pro. Pro Choice pro abortion and have anything. Personal Chair. He didn't he didn't tell. Roman soldiers when they went into battle to turn the other cheek. He told us turn the other cheek. He told us to help the poor. He didn't say vote for somebody. WHO's don't take money from you neighbor and give it to the poor, so there's two roles where we have to be tough and government tough in our corporations. But love others as we want to be locked. Yeah, and I agree with that. The the thing that troubles me the most. Is Again. It goes back to Kobe thing. It's the biggest thing in the world. Going on and and Lord only knows when it's going to go away. You have pastors and not all pastors granted now there's there's still sooner, but but but unfortunately it seems a current company excluded that has such ties to the church the people that are pastors or have ties to the church. Evangelical Evangelist or whatever they have all these millions upon millions of people they can reach, and they're just silent on the things. That are culturally woke and it really really bothers me. They jumped on the bandwagon the first Sunday after George Floyd. The every single pastor had another black pastor standing there and they were listening about everything that we've done wrong for so long which I just I. IT bothered me I. Just didn't feel right in. The COP reason those cops were even employed. Is because please unions? There are bad cops, one hundred, and they all just committed a crime terrible brutal crime. They deserve to go to jail for the rest of their lives, and there's no way I message the fact. But it's still it's still. It's still sad that that are pastors are not what they used to be oh. Why do you like so many aren't speaking truth. That's a good question staying quiet because they post black picks. You know the the blackout on near the blackout around like I'm not judging them at that. But why do you think so? Many are really staying so quiet? I. Don't know I. Don't know what happened to the real men. I shouldn't be so sexist I'm sorry. To keep their current congregation, they don't WanNa. Lose any DAD's. Thought and he lost a bunch of people meaning care, so you think. Do you think that money has a lot to play into it? They don't WanNA lose tides. They don't WanNa. Lose members they don't they don't. Understand is if they took us Dan. They'd have more right. Yeah, that's the lead the fate. They have I mean. My Dad ran off a lot of people. A lot more game in because he was speaking the truth and he was. Anyway, it's just a matter that's. Just, what I said about liberty more them off. Saying certain things more similar sooner students honestly though I. also think students are just tired because they see it and they're smart and they're googling. They see that something's wrong. They WANNA go somewhere. That's actually going to be truthful and speak to them, and then liberal kids are allowed to speak. We do have a lot of conservative professors, if some if a kid says something. That's liberal point. They're treated with respect of core as you go to Harvard Yale as a conservative. You get, you could get. Oh, actually that happened to me and my masters and I won't shot who, but that happened to me? As you go with their narrative, you ain't passing well. Yeah, I mean I've I've been honored enough to go around to a lot of universities Charlie Kirk and speak to these universities and stuff, and it is insane. The amount of you can feel the hatred. In the rooms, and that's the other thing of liberals. None of them seem to be happy. No not depressed group. I mean I I. Wake up every morning mega point. Enjoy every day you know. I'm happy as can be, but they are angry about everything is wrong with us. Culture is angry at everything about something else, and it is it. How can they possibly enjoy life? I think they're going to end up in cancer early age 'cause. It's not good for. They'll come after liberty university eventually because they're by liberty. Liberty was only available to to to the white people, and and you know, and we have had liberty this entire self esteem thing like they see themselves as like ugly people like their character who you know who they are. Hurt people hurt, people. Say this, but you can tell on the news shows. I go. By Way they look. Circle back to the the Christian. Because I. Don't expect lost people loss so far like. I as me is when the church and other people aren't speaking truth what we need as as conservatives as Christians. Is! We need to continue. We've already started to break out of it. We need to continue to get out of our grandparents versions of Christian and conservative which keep your head down go to work. Mind your own business. Just let the crazy people do the crazy people do. The Internet and everything has changed that where we can't do that anymore and the tweets gotten. tweets that I've ever put up, is says Conservatives and Christians need to stop electing nice guys. They make great Christian leaders. Yes, but we need street fighters. Yep, in government. It's true very true street all yeah. Torpedo. What do you call a hot a warhead? F, the Christian faith in general. Got Your pastors. You've got you've got the bridge makers. You got everything, but you also need to have your warheads. You got to hear people that go in there and just blow it. Off. In the biggest compliment president trump ever gave Mesa year warrior. He couldn't believe it when I defended him after that access Hollywood video. Jerry. Oh, yeah, but that's, but that's what we need. Because this idea that as soon as you find out that people aren't perfect now all the sudden. You have to completely eliminate the nobody's per nobody's perfect. Everybody's made mistakes and everybody will continue to me. And and and we just need to remember that just because we have social media now and we realized that these people that we thought were also. I thought Michael Jordan was up there with like. Stuff when I was a kid now I realized greatest basketball player ever lived. Medium probably wouldn't get along very much. You know as far as what we believe. The Times are different. Everybody sees behind the veils now. We just need to realize. That that's just the way it is sir. We've had you in here for a long time and we really appreciate you. Coming in on to be with you guys and I'm very impressed. Will thank you, sir, and again make sure you check out liberty dot, edu slash dear America pro-military pro faith, pro first responders pro finishing your education starting. Pro. Pro homestore. Been Listening to Oh that's awesome. Awesome! Yeah, comedy below if you attended Liberty University graduated from here checkout. Liberty EDU slash dear America. Sir, where can they find what you're doing? If they're not already fallen you liberty, oh! Jerry! Falwell junior on instagram. That's the fun there we go I'm the. I'm the guy on instagram. Gone twitter they. What's your twitter? Handle Jerry? Falwell Junior. It's a pretty specific. Jaguar. Send. Your kids are a promise. We'll send them back to you better than you better than you left them with. 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Are You Willing To Wait As Long As It Takes?

The Ken Coleman Show

30:54 min | 1 year ago

Are You Willing To Wait As Long As It Takes?

"Hey, folks podcast coming to you right now. I want to focus in on Shane's. Call a guy who has something that he really wants to write about. And yet his friends are questioning, and he feels like a frog that and more calls coming up right now. Fly from Nashville music city USA, you're joining the conversation about who you are what you were born to do where you want to be and how you can get there. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. We have got the formula for you. Because it's all about you. Every person was born with something they're good at that's talent you can develop into skill. Everybody was born or something that makes it hard come alive. That's passion, and you can identify it. Then you figure out where those two intersect. It's the sweet spot. The intersection of your greatest talent and greatest passion in order. In other words, you use? What you do best to do what you love to do mos-. It's not that complicated. And so many people go through life without ever realizing that simple formula. And then if you've even if you know the formula, you still have to do the self-discovery so that you become clear. And that clarity. Will breed confidence in you to step out on the path and then the clarity confidence togethers. What sustained you when life throws the curve balls at you. So I think you figure it out by now you have the answers. I don't my job is to get the answers out of you. And we do it one call at a time eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven coming up a little bit later in the show on a remind you we are almost here may thirteenth is launched a of the book the proximity principle. The idea that we launched on the show that helps show many of you, and we are hoping praying that's gonna help so many moral tell you little bit more about that eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to Julie. Who's on the line in Denton, Texas, Julian the Ken Coleman show. I can thanks for taking my call. So my currently work in financial planning, and I'm married have one baby. And then another on the way in so dream job is actually to be a stay at home mom until they start school. And then I'd love to go into ministry. And then dilemma I'm seeing I'm on debut. Step two is that we just can't afford it. And I'm thinking we couldn't afford it. Even until the house was paid for which seems to be like ten years from now, which by then there'd be no point. And being a stay at home. Mom, and so I just feel really stuck. And I'm curious what vice you have interesting. So this day at home dream job love that. There's no more valuable job in the world than stable mom, not one. So that's pretty awesome. So good for you. I think it is very doable. But it's going to take some changes you're going to have to make some changes. I'll go through that in a second. But before we get to that. I'm really curious. What would the ministry job? So you stay at home mom until the kids are old if you could just nappy fingers, how old are they be before you go back into work, and it's ministry and I went into being kindergarten. And then it's a college ministry job where they raised support. And basically, it's like meeting one on one with college students throughout the day kind of doing discipleship and then bible studies kind of event planning for them. So you've got your you've got this thing figured out that right now you've got baby number two coming and you're going to have to continue working because you can't come home right now. It's just not financially possible based on your debt and other bills. Correct. Right. So what do you have besides the house? We own my mom about twenty seven thousand and that was when we moved in it was kind of in lieu of a home equity loan, and it'll be done by the end of the year. And then baby step three was next year to save up that and then a little bit for just to have an SUV we have a pretty small car. And then after that we were going to start baby step four, and I'm just so stuck on the the numbers of it. All well, but the paint off a house of something down the line. So I don't know that you have to rush the pay off the house. We Dave Ramsey allows people to do debt free screams here at our office. They haven't paid their house off. Now, that's the that's the ultimate goal. But I don't know that that would have. To be the case if you paid off all the other debt, could you come home if you just had the mortgage, and then your normal bills. You had no other debt. Couldn't you come home. Possibly the part that seems tied as my husband's take home pay is about four thousand and right now with me working it's about eight thousand and are mortgages two thousand so as right now it works. So that whole twenty five percent number, but it would jump up. It'd be much fifty percent of our how long did you buy the house just two years ago duty equity in it, and it's actually appreciated quite a bit? So we've got about one hundred thousand equity and we owe about two hundred thousand on it. That's a viable option right there. You don't have to live in that house. You could you could get I'm just telling you you want to know how you can come home. This is gonna come down to what matters most. And so what if you could come home, you take that echo? If you sell that house, and and you you take that equity that you get out of that. And you put a really sizable down payment on a smaller cheaper house, and all of a sudden your home. So they're their options here, you're acting like there's no options, and I'm not being unkind. I'm just telling you there auctions. You know, what does your husband do for a living? Firefighter. So is he got promotions coming down the line? How does that work should his so his pay actually seventy two right now? And if he gets bumped up to driver, it would be about ninety and then it can go up higher. If he goes to Lieutenant or captain, let me does he have the margin to be able to do some side hustle stuff. Because I know his his shift with as a fireman. My wife's Oncle retired fire chief, I know they have a different kind of schedule. Could he pick up some extra money to do some things maybe pay off that debt a little faster? I mean what what's he willing to keep probably could and probably easiest for him. Right now, they do have a lot of overtime opportunity which pays pretty well that he can do. I guess I'm just my do you think that would be the stupidest thing in the world to downgrade to smaller house, and then I just feel like we'd be stuck in permanently. Handicap ourselves know why? Because you now you've put more money down on a smaller house, and you pay that off probably even quicker than the one year in but all of. Sudden you've created the margin. You just have to look at your numbers and go how much margin. Do we need to create for you to be able to come home and be a stay at home. Mom that you may not be able to do it. The first year of the new baby's life. Maybe it's a couple years from now. But if you get after it you to get on the same page and make some sacrifices and other places, you can come home and be stayed home. And no, you're not going backwards. So how much is your house cost right now? Well, what would you pay? It would we paid to forty four it and it's valued at about three hundred right now, you know. So what if you go buy something in the one eighty one ninety fix it up while you're living in it's not? I'm not talking about a piece of junk just mean something that if a little bit of love, and whatever or is just hey, this is a two three year play for us while the baby's just a little trust me. They're not even remember it. And then his his I'm just saying you have. Well, here's you've asked me you call me, basically going. I wanna be a stayed home. Mom, but I don't think I can't financially I'm telling you can. Now, I'm not saying I'm not saying you should I'm not going to tell you what to do. But you're asking me. Can I be a stay at home? Mom, and then as the kids get into kindergarten eventually move back into mystery answers. You can you guys are making good enough money. You got enough echoing that house right now, you could downsize still have enough room for you. And your husband, the two little ones, and he could put you ahead financially, the current equity you have in your home could really put you head. If you put that money down, and to a smaller house, all of a sudden, you can cut your your mortgage. What if you cut your mortgage down two thousand bucks a month? That's a real number. So again, you know, what to do you don't need. My money advice us asked we tell you what to do. And I'm not gonna tell you. What to do? I'm telling you can come home and be a stay at home. Mom. There's no question in my mind. Now, it may not be the best move for you right now, maybe a year from now after you've planned financial 'cause you're making good money. So what changes can you make right now? Keeping your your four thousand dollars bring home and a year from now go okay now could come home babies, one new babies one the other babies a little but still you've got time to be at home with them. So I don't think there's a wrong decision here. But you gotta do it your heart telling you to do and if your husband's on board than on than than go for it. I want you to be on board because I'm telling you nothing will Ripa marriage apart like two people that are on different pages when it comes to finances. Hey, many of you need to be thinking about the next step and learning something that you must know knowledge that allows you to be qualified for the next step. That's where my friends at liberty versity, come in liberty university is one of the leaders in online education. They have a beautiful school the the physical location. If you're thinking about sending your kid somewhere, and then get a great education nestled in Lynchburg Virginia on the beautiful beautiful little towns in central Virginia. I went to school there a great school. Great people for nearly fifty years they've been helping people live on purpose. And here's the best part. They'll do it on your schedule. They can help you come up with a plan where you're going part time. And it's affordable a frozen their tuition. It's way more forcible than you. Even think the work with you. Whether that's a certification or a doctorate, they've got it all seven hundred unique degree programs. Go to liberty dot EDU slash Ken. That's liberty dot EDU. Slash kin. Don't go anywhere because when we come back more of your calls people living on purpose. 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That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash kin. It's the smartest way to get hired. And the smart. Artist way to hire. This is the Ken Coleman show. Welcome back. This is where we discuss you. And only. View were created. If you were created that means there is a purpose reason. And we all know that there's a purpose. Trust me. I don't care if you call yourself an atheist and agnostic just right wing evangelical nut, I don't care. What you call yourself all of us know, deep down in our chest where the heart resides that there's something we were created to do we long for it. Please. Please, please. If you're listening to this show, and you just still feel like well, Ken help another people, and I get that guy. And boy that gal that was great and bubble. And I just don't know about me. Would you please not stop listening? Would you please call the show? Leave a voicemail if you can't get through during the live show. Leave a voicemail I noticed a lot of people that have called him. We get a lot of emails a lot of voicemails Madison assures me that she's getting in touch with you. So hang in there met some people in San Diego today. Ken Email the show called the show. Trust me. We're going to get to you. This is a good problem to have meaning. I can't get to everybody during the day. But we can't get to you. Please hang in there. Keep listening apply. The lessons of the strategies the things that I'm sharing with callers. Stay with us thing because you matter and you do have what it takes eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven couple things. I want to mention we are getting close. All my gosh. We are one week away from the launch of the proximity principle the book. Thank you. Joe? Appreciate that's always good to have trumpets behind you. I need to figure out a way Joe for you to have that sound effect for me when I walk into the house at the end of the day, and the kids hear me come in, and the doodles it blow their minds, it really would old Madison said I have a big head. Okay. See I read this to I would blow their minds, and you know, you'd have a big head. No, let me just tell you something for the record. I could come in from New York media trip where I've done some fancy media thing that I think is really really cool and most really cool or I could speak at some place, or you know, whatever you like last week. You know what I mean sit with Peyton Manning one of the greatest quarterbacks double play the game. And I could come in and sale that in my kids kid's daycare less like dad. I got the math homework. I need help with math homework the minute. I walk in the door. I'm just dad, and by the way, that's a good thing. But anyways, I was saying next Monday. The book the proximity. Principle comes out it has been in. Presale for couple months somebody you've been sitting on the fence or would wait till it comes out. Can I just tell you if you're part of this tribe? I spoke on the topic and San Diego and the response was overwhelming. It was so positive, and I was so encouraged Joe people were buying books. Three and four books saying, hey, I'm buying this for my two kids and buying this for my friends kids. I mean, whether it's a graduation gift a Father's Day gift. Somebody ladies call on shows. I am calling about my husband. Some of some of you are in the situation where you go I need to make a career switch. I need to know. How to do it the proximity principles? How you do it? Some of you are starting out getting out of college. Hey, I'm starting out the proximity. Principle is how you do it. I spoke to a bunch of business owners highly successful men and women the proximity principle applies to them as well. How do you keep moving up the ladder? So the book is for so many people, and I'm asking you to consider buying if you have it as a gift graduation Father's Day. I'm telling you if people can grab the simple powerful principle. It's going to be some break through stuff. And that's why we're here. We're that's all the reason. I wrote a book, I it breaks her breakthrough for people it worked for me to work for you. So you could still preorder it and get the good. He's got one week left. A preordered Ken Coleman dot com. You'll get twenty dollars a free goodies, including the book and in a talk for me on discovery self discovery, and you can actually still sample a couple of chapters. That's Ken Coleman dot com slash preview. Ken Coleman dot com slash preview. Eight four four seven four seven two five excuse me. Two five seven seven is the number. Every once in a while in live radio, you have a little something jump up in your throat. Just a little tickle and fruit smoothie ahead during the break. If you have a little strawberry in the fruit smoothie, which I do today. It's green. It's a lovely green color. If you're if you watch the YouTube channel. In my wall walk up and slug in that thing during the break, and it has some of the little you. Call him pits in the strawberry. The little see are they? Okay. The little grainy things seeds. Those are actual seats folks on learning right here in front of you. Thank you, Madison Kelly the marketers in as well. I don't know if they're seeds or not, but the little grainy things, and I was just talking to you find folks and one got caught right there my throat head to do the cough button. So there you go. All right now, I was trying to give the phone number. So we can get back to your calls and the pesky seed got up a my throat eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven that went. Well, let's go to Ken who's on the line in Newark, Delaware Kenya. On the Ken Coleman show. I think for taking my call. Sure, I'm always happy to talk to another Ken. Let's be honest. How can I help? So I'm pretty much. I would say in the buffets in this kind of plan. So I have some ideas of what might talents and abilities are and also some passions. I just want to run those through you and try to find much we tell me what your most talented at. I would say probably analyzing or analysis. Okay. On top of that would be probably planning organizing and attention to detail. Those would be like my three, I guess love it. Okay. Let's talk about work tasks functions. Roles that you have experienced great joy in or you certainly wondered about it so long that it feels real what what do you think makes your heart come alive? Well as far as work related passions. I'm not sure I'm in manufacturing right now. Been in the field for about two to three years. It's been good to me. But it's not sparking that fire. I'm asking if you look at how old are you twenty six twenty six years old who your favorite subjects in school history? I have a bachelor's in history. Okay. Why do you love history so much? Just the the people's stories and cultures and just learning about that kind of stuff kid great. What did you used to wonder about as maybe an adolescent middle school high school college age? What did you wonder about is related to work? Karuna where to work. There you go. What did you think about? I thought about LIAM's it's a seems to be like a niece kinda field. So what did you think about easy? Uh-huh. Just the pieces of like if being practical like as a job that's not less hawk. I don't think that's true. I think you're short-selling you love history. And then he used to think about working at a museum. Do you not see that connection there? I do I do. Okay. But you're getting ready to say, but. Again, it's such a niece field. And I don't feel like that's for me. I gets there. And why don't you think it's for you? Do you need like a master's degree? I have a bachelor as I don't want much. How much how much money you making right now? Before taxes thirty eight thousand thirty eight thousand dollars you telling me you can't make thirty eight thousand dollars or more working in a museum. Most of its volunteer. Like when you go there, and you'd have to volunteer for everyone. I've ever been to has people that are paid a let's take some of your national parks. You got your National Park Service. Those Rangers they make money, you know, when you go to the Metropolitan Museum of of art in in New York now not saying, this is your limited to these. But I don't know that you've run this thing out. What would you want to do to museum all day long? What would be a great role? Probably be the curator behind the scenes kinda. Yeah. Not necessarily doing towards, but like dealing with the artifacts and stuff after hours. Who was the last time you actually or have you ever had a conversation with anybody who's worked in that role? About a year ago with a good friend of mine out in Cody Wyoming. She sees the curator out there at the Cutty done the west museum. Okay. And what's her qualifications to be a curator? Would what she do. She got a masters at in college, and volunteer depart time kind of stuff interesting. So you just practice the proximity. Principle already you've done that. So is the hang up a master's degree that you don't want to go back to school. Yeah. Because I'm on baby step three, and I wouldn't want to go back into death. Hold on a second. You're twenty six years old. I'm with you. You don't have to go back into debt, but you're on baby step three. So when are you going to when are you going to be done with babies have three which is your three to six months expenses? If you're not a Dave Ramsey show listener, that's what we're talking about. So when are you gonna be done with that? Not sure probably maybe year. Okay. So you're going to be twenty seven ish coming towards Twenty-eight somewhere in that range. And now you're able to put fifteen percent away. It's no big deal at all. That's your baby step four and your role in and you can pursue this. You could save up money for a masters. I talk about liberty university online every day on my show. You can get a masters degree from them part time. Yeah. So my here's Michael I'm not trying to push you into the museum thing. But you told me can I don't know what my sweet spot is. I don't know why Pasha, but you you are passionate about history. We know that what else are you about also type of ministry, soft because this is where I have honestly been practicing the proximity principle in talking with my pastors and other people at my church trying to get like more familiar with that kinda route and stuff. And what would you want to do? What would you possibly be interested in in ministry, either an administrative type role behind the scenes or seminary and like become a pastor? Yeah. But see that's extra school too. So you shot masters down for one, but you're open to continuing education for the other. So it comes down to this. I just got you talk a little bit. But just pushing against you a little bit on this museum thing because that's clearly a passion. Is it your dream job? Is that the call on your life? I don't know. But I love that you're at least looking into this on the ministry side of things. But here's where it comes back to the talent side of things because you called. Today because I think you suffer from a little bit of self doubt. But this idea that you're good at analyzing things. And you're good at planning and organizing, you know, there are administrative pastors who that's what they do. They run the logistics behind the scenes of of all the ministries at a church, that's a viable role for you. I think that could be in your sweet spot. I also think that you know, you could work around museums or historical sites. You know what I mean? So again, the park service. Here's my point. You have to now run this thing out and go now, what is it that I really want to do? And I think if you leave yourself to be honest in a quiet place, and you just say, all right? I'm a stat my fingers, and this is what I would really like to do once you get clarity. You're doing the work of proximity by finding out if this pastoral thing this ministry thing is the way to go. And that's the proximity principle to a T as I'm gonna get around people that are in ministry get around people that are in those minister positions that she would thrive in and learn is this something. I really wanna do that clarity is going to give you confirmation well one way or the other. But I would also run this thing out is if I could give you the master's degree cashflow part time, and I could give you that curator role which one is higher up the heartless. Is it curator? Is it pastor like this is the exercise? And that's just two of them. There might be something else in there. We don't have time to do that. With the bottom line is is when you run those two beside each other your heart's going to reveal the one. Let's go to Shane who's on the line in Denver, Colorado. Shane you're on the Ken Coleman show. Hey, ken. Thanks for taking my call. Sure. How can I help? So I'm I'm currently a firefighter, which is my dream job. That took me ten years to obtain and I want to create a blog about resiliency and a pursuit of your dream. But I feel a bit of a fraud offering advice, that's not really the only major thing. I have accomplished when I've mentioned it to a couple of people. I've also been told like who are you to give advice only be? We'll we'll we'll we'll okay now that hacks me off without saying the person's name because it's personal. I want you to descr who is this person in your life or people who said that that who are you to give advice on reaching your dream? Closer friends. How'd you how'd you feel when they told you that? Not too good. Why does it the setting? Yeah. Why did they tell you that? Yeah. I'm not too. Sure. Actually, I I I think so I wasn't a firefighter. So the the dream of writing, and I I love to write but the dream of starting a bug happened years ago. And when I had mentioned, I mentioned that I wasn't a firefighter, and I even maybe myself didn't believe I had the credibility to write about that. Because I hadn't achieved in myself. But I don't know if that was part of the people heard you say this before. Yes. Okay. Let me just tell you south right now. I don't know how good of friends. These guys are. Okay. Okay. So you may need some new friends. That's how serious this is. Yeah. Unless they think you're delusional. Do they do? I don't think. That's I think these guys are. I think these guys were just your old buddies been around for a long time. And you say that and they're like, let me just tell you something you started off the phone call Shane say. And it took you ten years to become a firefighter wishes your dream job. That was a long road for you, wasn't it. It was why did it take you ten years? It's I I got told no a lot. It was committed to competitive field to get into. Yeah. It's a tough feeling. Yeah. You got told Noah lot, guess what? So did I I had a program director in Atlanta, Georgia tell me that I didn't have enough talent to make it in a number seven number eight market. I've been told no allot. So Shane took you ten years because it's a highly competitive field. You got rejected a lot and yet here you are today a fireman in an effective one. Yes, or no, yes. I got news for you your buddies can go pound sand. And I'd tell him to go pound sand. Because if you want to start a blog today as in just start Facebook page cautioned nothing at start writing about what it's like to be rejected for a decade. But then what it's like to step in the day, you graduate. What did it feel like when they pin that badge on you? It does pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't feel pretty good. Why don't you tell us? How felt strain take me to the moment where you graduated and everybody, you know, and care for you as their wanted to feel like new you had made it after a decade of being rejected. What did it feel like Shane? I bawled my eyes out. You bought your eyes out? I didn't know that. I just pushed you they're not knowing what you were going to say. But I had a feeling it felt better than pretty good. So what do you what do you want to do Shane you want to write a blog and tell people what it's like to to to wait a decade to do. What you love you wanna talk about that. I do then why don't you do it until your buddies to pound sand? And if they're not going to be supportive of you, stop hanging out with them. So you feel like in my shoes, it's it's comfortable feel like being qualified. I guess to offer to. Let Shane did you or did you not press through ten years to land the dream job? Yes. Or no, yes. Are you qualified to tell somebody all the emotions that goes into ten years of hustling and waiting. Yes. Are you qualified to tell people what it feels like the moment. You step across the finish line. Yes. Can you put two sentences together and spell it? Right. I can what else do you to hear from me? I guess I guess not much. I guess you got the voice you got the voice of those two so called frizz in your head. I wish I had those guys on the line. I'd rip them. I don't want anybody in my life that that scoffs at something. My heart's telling me to do. Yeah. That's a good point. It is a good guy. You wait. It's a very good point. You're listening to the wrong people. So can I be your friend today? Yeah. That'd would be that'd be helpful. What's the first post? Real quick. What's the subject? What is it? Kind of the about me, and my story boom started today right tonight post it sometime before morning done. This is how we start a blog tell your story, and by the way, right? It the way you would read it because there are a lot of people who are going to read your style, not everybody. But a lot of people. Today's quote comes from Margaret Mead never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed is the only thing that ever has today's question. What change do you want to bring to this world? Think about it. Now start doing our time is almost up. But before I let you go you matter, and you do have what it takes. Thank you for joining the conversation until next time. This is the Ken Coleman show press on. 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 Evening Skews - Week of August 25, 2020

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Evening Skews - Week of August 25, 2020

"Having all. Today's Tuesday August twenty fifth. I'm tried crowder in this market. Is You what's up Mark Halio? Drake. Welcome back to evening skews tonight, the bridled lunacy of the first evening of the Republican National Convention the Infinitely more tragic but equally maniacal continued conduct of American law enforcement and a lot more. But fires as always skews we began with report on American. Dumb. assery. A, Lynchburg Virginia Man. Has quit the same job like four God damn times in the past two days. Talking, of course about noted, evangelical and former we think President of Liberty University Jerry Falwell junior who's been embroiled in controversy since it was revealed that the good reverend is a freaking the sheets. Now we're here at skews we don't. We don't shame as a rule. But when you professionally traffic immorality, you really ought to watch the Dick and but stuff mark tell us what happened. Yeah mean the problem wasn't what he's doing. Really it's that if a professor at is schooler student God forbid of and caught doing, this would have been kicked out a long time ago. So. Just people? No. I'm not an impartial observer here I'm from Central Virginia. Families from Buckingham County and Mexican school. The closest city is Lynchburg and my family has a very one-sided robbery hate in the Falwell's going back for several generations. Because the list, the closest city would go to see a movie. which is the best way to put it because like we couldn't even get decent movie lately. Okay. So showgirls didn't come to Lynchburg that's still mad about it when I was sixteen. Big Fan of the Bell Jesse was going to get it making this movie called showgirls and Falwell just said, no more Majori dip shits stuff kept showed that Lynchburg anyway. Sums up how they rule the region, right? Right. Exactly. The Falwell's kind of rain over that part of Virginia with their Christian morality that's a whole thing with them and it has been for a long time. Liberty University which I preside over has very, very strict code of conduct and among other things that very clearly defined sexual conduct as only being appropriate between them. One married man and one married woman shit like that. They're really hardcore. So that's the context and then the son of the Patriarch Jerry Falwell Jr has been charged for awhile now. What has happened with him? Yes. So He's out of his job because he had a couple of things happened the past few weeks one instagram himself a quite clearly drunk holding a drink with his pants unbuttoned his arm around. A woman not his wife the pictures fixture was pre pre-trains Gramley. A joke he was he was teasing his wife Assistant. She couldn't button her pants anymore 'cause she's pregnant but again, he's holding the drink students were allowed to drink if you've pretty clearly drinking problem by the way. In so that the students. Fast Forward But for about a year and a half hasn't been as weird stuff his wife, a guy who's Houston called a pool boy or Putin that in Miami who they say they met them vacation and then just started hanging out twenty old boy a lot including giving him a few million dollars to open a nightclub. So. Merimee fucking. Yellow Buoy. Side pay situation they're giving him. Yeah. But not critic clearly what? Hanging out with with basically teenage pool with a given a bunch of money. It doesn't take a sex detective to figure out some weird stuff's going right. So. How but he did not afraid you re years anyway. So the Guy Apparently does record and Jerry knew that story was in the work he gave a preemptive interview to the friendly outlet saying try to do the you know we had trump marriage we're trying to make it work the the reform center talk they usually works for guys in his situation trying to blame him his wife saying his wife cheated, but he loved her and they were GonNa make it work right? anyways says, no actually the article comes out and has no. There were three of us, wrong in the room together Jerry like watch and. Whatever makes you ever make sure best place if your marriage go for it, I guess but Again the good people at Liberty. University would let him steal the money you wanted to steal, but this was too. Far So. He's out of a job although he resigned then tried to take it back and then resigned again today he resigned yesterday early in the day and then after whiskey o'clock, he retracted his resignation. Sobered up and residing in this morning so. What do you think that was just as simple as him just being like. Ain't nobody gonNA tell major xanadu wherever the fuck I want like going with the flow earlier in the day. But then like you said and a couple of whiskies and band like I'm I run this shit I'm king calm around here. I'm fucking going nowhere and then you know in the called sober out of the morning realizing that probably going to work or or. I mean, maybe there was A. Shooting the details of his maybe he wanted like a bigger. Golden Parachute or I don't know. About I don't know what you have because it is it is as has a board, his family ferreted, but it's a nonprofit so it doesn't like. It It's a nonprofit. It has a tax structure that doesn't leave him. All powerful. So His Power was due to his. Political clout and leadership and reputation in those things took a hit last days. But the like what he's done with liberty are A. Lot of big schools do this now basically turn liberty in to like a real estate like. Fun. So the. Liberty has like teen thousand on campus students and ninety five, thousand online students. It turned into like a degree because selling degree factory taking that money and bought a bunch of land with. Jerry's done with it. Is. Basically establish a kickback scheme where he buys you'll like have land paid have land developed. You'll pay sweetheart deals to buddies and real estate developer land, and then he'll ran it to different two different set of buddies for on the cheap than the market value after liberties pay to develop it, and then I'm assuming these getting some sort of trade-off. One of one of the people he gave a sweetheart deal to with a giant fitness studio or tennis courts for his wife's personal trainer who he said he met text, he was showing boudoir photos to employees. He texted the excellent texted some to somebody who's cover story with an intended to send it to a personal trainer. That's we said at the time because he wanted to thank him for all the good work he'd done getting advice body type. That's that that's what he told the newspaper. All right. He's been absolute embarrassment his whole. Goddamn. Life right and. He wasn't smart Paducah. It together like a lot of second generation. Kingpins are. Also, manned the pool boys I just also on the nose twenty year old mime poboy like it's literally the plot of a porno movie. that. That's like part of part of the whole thing for these people like I said, when you traffic and morality, you really got to watch this shit because that's the thing that Jerry Falwell Junior. Was a rapper you know or a rock star or whatever no-one would give a fuck about any of this except for maybe the misuse of. Official funds but no, one would care that he's a cook but like. That's that's the other thing too like they're the one they being he's a huge Puerto, president trump, very hardcore rightwing Christian conservatives. They make a huge deal about cooks about being a cook. Liberals are all cooks. A huge deal about the people's morality, the proper way to live your life and like. When you do shit like that. You know you can't. Get Away with just. Whatever melts your butter like they fucking make their own bed nap to lay in it. Now, obviously, a lot of times they don't have to lay and it just get still whatever the fuck they want. To like. It makes it bad that yeah and watch someone else lie in it but A. Like I feel like this is another side effect of like the. Current. With technology and social media and all that. You know what? I mean like I think these guys like this or still adjusting to the fact that like. There ain't as me secrets anymore by people are going to find out about these guys have always operated this way. which is to say extremely hypocritically but. Used to they didn't have to worry about that ever being a problem, but now it can be a fucking problem. And offer. All four that. Yeah I mean it's always been. that. What his? Well. I would hesitate too much a policy right up and Jerry junior because he did run a Christian college that was like branding expanding like if you want to turn your school until profit online thing. Various all around the world recruiting people. COMMU is helpful but Jerry junior minister brother like when after his dad died ended up. The. The empire, his brother Got Thomas Road Baptist Church Fathers Minister in Jerry took the business empire. He outmaneuvered his brother to be college 'cause for the money was right so. I Okay But. You. You said, you don't think there's that much hypocrisy going on here with Jerry. No, we'll. Just. I'm saying I wouldn't I'M NOT GONNA sit here pretending jerry juniors necessarily a huge believer in the good book. Yeah rat, of course not but. He does though I mean. If just by being the president. Of a college like Liberty University, which is notorious for that hardcore bobble thump morality police bullshit just by being the president of that. He is presenting himself as you know, a follower of the good Lord and the Good Book and sure why you ought to live. Sure. Just like like like if I play for the cowboys. Cowboys, you know it's a good paycheck. Yeah but. I feel like you feel like you're almost kind of letting him off the hook with you're right about yeah. The cowboy analogy I get that they're not. They're not fans of the team it. It's just a paycheck, but it just same with with something like this. They make then make their entire existence off of telling people how to live and the way they tell people how to live doesn't encompass. Watching. A twenty year old poboy fuck your wife in. MIAMI. Not Club or what I know. I'm not I'm not saying there's no I'm saying like he's not minister like Jerry senior had been caught like this. It would have been like pure hypocrisy I'm saying Jerry Junior just in this for the money I mean Jerry senior was too. That's an older. But my point is that like he's mainly a businessman and what he was selling just happened to be. Salvation as opposed to in degrees as all. Right. He could have been could have been the board of any other any other connors type company. He was doing Christian. He was an amway just happened to be bibles instead of whatever else family. So. I, hear you on that. I totally hear you on that. But what I'm saying you said he could have he could have been on the board of any corporate you name it it could have been you know fucking whatever. Post. It notes or cars or tires or whatever any multinational corporation, but I'm saying. If he was not this. No. One would give shit about any of this. You know what I mean. Like. That's the whole point. If he was just that kind of businessman, it would be fine to watch a twenty year old poboy boy fuck your wife in hotel rooms and brought him nightclubs and shit like. Where's the. Problem. My point is that like the wing, the wing of the Republican Party ended up in was actually a more natural fit for him. Right? Like the the the Donald we'll come back to Michael Cohen and the pictures and stuff in a second. But because that's where the real political scandal here is but the. With you froze for second with another enough way down. The. So like hey. Guys like the the the guys that are in I. Don't know while these guys like watching their wife get railed. It's very weird subculture there in the Lake Lake Roger Stone is into that I came out publicly longtime ago he starts posting ads in. Local, news classified ads like asking for dudes come have sex wife it came out that Paul Manafort. Same thing. That's what got him in trouble with his. Daughters text message got hacked. That's reasons. Daughters were talking about them at all and then when it. A murderer. So. Very subculture of sex perverts in this wing of the Republican Party and the fact that woman works in Christian College in a perfect but anyway so. Think about blackmail the people don't think about is like a lot if you do blackmail right the victim thanks you for it. Because what you've done is you've helped them keep their secret right that appears to be with Michael Cohen. Scientology works live in La. So ploto get saying that. But like. So mukullah apparently helped. Jerry Junior, get back photos of his wife with the pool boy and then conveniently endorsed trump at trump comes to get liberty and a bunch of student protests and didn't show up. So I'm. Right was you're talking about being a hake? Prevalent in a certain wing of the Republican. Party is that whole like you know doth protest too much situation with. Again like they're the ones who made cook as a word and as an insult into a thing and the popular lexicon in America recently like they did that. And then like you said, it comes out that so many of the prominent members fat part of the Republican Party. The bill in a literal fashion, but it's just like going back years with the most the most homophobic. A Members of Congress and high level. Republicans. The ones who were the most hard core about the scourge of homosexuality and that type of thing all ended up getting caught suck. Some dude off in an airport bathroom or whatever like it just it always goes down that way you know. But I mean I don't know so are. Moving on in. Again, much more tragic news. The police are still up to their old tricks Kenosha Wisconsin Police Department is continued the ever everlasting tradition of making a mockery of the supposed slogan of American law enforcement to protect and serve win over the weekend they shot a twenty nine year old black man named Jacob Blake seven times. In, the back. Mr Blake. So far thankfully is alive he has survived, but at the very least it looks like he's going to be paralyzed from the waist down at turns out the Kenosha police. Department three years ago. Had agreed to. Purchase and institute policy for Body Cams They wore body cams all the time, but then just never did that. So none of them had body cams on or anything like that. As always happens with these cases the only reason you buy even knows about is because a bystander a neighbor in this case happened to catch it on video and that's part of the like. I've talked about this before it. It blows my fucking mind the white like all these all these cops and all these cities. They know they all know their intensely aware that every cell phone camera and every twitter fade in this country is trained on them right now and rather than like taking a page out of chapter, one of the villains handbook and you know laying low for a while or play Cole until it dies down or whatnot that just fucking just keep on about their business if not ramping it up like it's crazy to. I know it's like it happens. So often it can't be surprising anymore but Robert. Step back and look at it. It's fucking insane that something like this. It's crazy that ever happens like it's always inexcusable and it should never happen but it is doubly crazy that something like this happens. In the context of an environment that we are all living in right now you know it just seems to me like it just shows that they still they still don't give a fuck man at all like if they did. I. Don't think you'd see stories like this at least in this moment. Videos hard to watch for lots of reasons. But the you can count like forty points in that fifteen seconds for the officer could have made it a bunch of different choices. I still haven't seen a good explanation of Lake what they suspected him of the had their gun drawn in the first place guy with the give me the guys wearing. A wife, beater sweatpants creek. Clearly, he doesn't have any weapon every gun point at him they showed up to a domestic violence call the did not involve him was two women arguing he was a verbal confrontation keep that a jacobs trying to stop currently in the other gun pointing to him he goes to get in his car because you're in a free society. If police don't have a reason to detain you, you can leave you can leave ride you can leave. There's the police in the wrong. So many so many points here. I don't understand why with. Gun drawn and people are screaming at you. You know man dibiase. If I'M GONNA get rough. Gun Away and go with a Taser Thanh, my hands using my words like an adult. And it just like sued. Defenders of the police like well, what he was going to the car to get a gun why would he be going to get a gun? He has no reason to shoot officer because they have no cause to arrest him. The to. The whole thing makes no sense and I don't even know what to say about anymore they're out of riot. Yeah. That's kind of where I'm at with the too. It's like I just I don't know what else they even say about it because it's the same shit every time like there's always always justification comes out line they start digging up like what is criminal record? Was and and that type of thing, and it's like. Basically, that all all for yes. They didn't know that. But even if they did, it's like you're telling me that that justifies a literal death sentence you know and I just don't. Now that and it I don't care if he was a drug addict or had a criminal record or whatever you know that Shit. He shouldn't have been any. He wasn't again the guy survived, but he shouldn't have been shot several times in the back in the street. It doesn't warrant that kind of response and I just don't understand what what people don't understand about that but it's Obvious hot. It's an understatement to site. It's widespread issue in America right now and. It's it's still an ongoing thing the. Protest I think are. Definitely, for sure making an impact, but the opposition still out in force to my home state. Our state legislature in the state of Tennessee he continues to embarrass the shit out of me. As it relates to this subject in particular, the Tennessee state legislature has just passed a new law that. Is Aimed at protesters. It's now felony in the state of Tennessee, because the law was signed, it was signed into law by the governor billy who's a piece of shit this week. and. The law makes it a felony for protesters to camp out overnight on state property, and this comes after a couple of weeks the protesters camping out in front of the State Capitol building so. Make It A. Felony to camp out overnight on state property, and if you're convicted, you can lose your voting rights and you can face up to six years in prison and it's such a clearly targeted. Piece of legislation you know this just pointed at just protesters and get not fucking rioters an anarchist. Protesters and. I. Don't know again I don't know what else to say about it. Other than Shit like this makes me sick and I just hate to see it coming out of my home state. Yeah. It's so transparent is if you protest in the way, we don't like we're GonNa take away your right to the. Right and he just just just for Shits and giggles Rita the text of the First Amendment to your Second Congress, shall make no law up prohibiting the right of the people to Peaceably Assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances. So I don't really you're gathering public property which your tax dollars pay for to petition deficient government grievances. It's plain letter law I don't see how this survives any sort of court challenge but yeah. Right and on a just in terms of. Practicality of it other opponents of the legislation like they sell you pointed out that. This kind of just encourages like homeless people to go sleep on somebody's yard or something like private property like if you're going to get a felony six years in prison for sleeping on a bench in front of the fucking State House or whatever. Then now you'll just go. Sleep on somebody's front porch or whatever, and I'm like that's not. I'm not worried about where the homeless are sleeping at personally I'm just saying it's another like you break it down at every level and none of it makes sense as my point. Was a person is definitely gonNA, end up living on the street eventually I'm a little worried about it. I. I Yeah. I don't I mean. He's a good idea strictly speaking were good. And I don't know what I mean. I know what they're up to. They don't think ahead for half a second. and. It's not just Tennessee obviously obviously, it's all over the country but one of the more grievous examples also in your home state mark in Portsmouth Virginia, which I don't know what part of the state that's in is that also your neck of the woods, there's that nets. As down to the ocean, like a near Virginia Beach. Portsmouth Virginia cops or they're wiling. They have arrested a whole slew of public officials who all happen to be black. And a sensibly, they've arrested them for felonies related to the destruction of a confederate monument which I guess did happen but the point is still not justified and all it's like these are state senator multiple. Officials. From the end of the Lacey, pay the Oakland ACP chapter, the school board member upstanding members of the community pillars of the community not that it would matter if they were just regular people either but I'm saying. Pillars of the community tap people in Portsmouth. Virginia all black have been rounded up and charged with crimes by. The Portsmouth Police Department over this type of Shit recently so i. Could be. People out of control. It's a felony charge of injury to a monument accessible thousand dollars they got. Yeah. They, arrested three public defenders to I'm sure that's a coincidence. Then then after people raise a stink about that the Some guy got up on a facebook group confound a some obscure thing in a city code whereas citizen go to a magistrate and get an arrest warrant. For, public official who engages in like an interference with the appointment of a city official because the vice mayor who happens to be his daughter of the state senator got arrested the vice mayor. And City councilman called for the police chief to be fired. and. So he construed that as interference deployment public officials. So he went to magistrate and got a warrant which the police department shares far all too happy to to enforce and serve so. Like the city level city version of a military coup is they're not even being settled about. It. Is Crazy. Now again, the Shit is insane I just don't like I. Don't understand it. There's no one at the higher levels in organizations like that saying hey. Maybe not right now, we be doing this type of ship, but again, they just like. They don't see it that way like they're they're the heroes we're the villains and they don't. They're going to keep doing what they're doing because they're in the right as far as they're concerned but onto. I want to call it a more fun subject although it also terrifying like everything in America right now but it is easier to laugh at the first. Neither Republican convention was up then Else Ryan. After after Donald Trump junior's speech, the word cocaine was trending on twitter global aid because of. Cocaine is Vita. Loch ness monster dot ness. Monster. All treat should trending because of conventional. Yeah. Where do you even start with all the shit that went on last night donald trump junior coming out there looking and acting all coke called Joe Biden. The loch ness monster of the swamp, and then tried to tried to make that analogy work. Safety, pops up every now and then to run for president as Loch ness monster famously known to do and then. Disappears for years at a time after that. His eyes were all red and like moist may moist is going on and just not a great look and then his girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoil who's the ex ex girlfriend ex wife of Gavin newsom ex wife. Governor during our poignant trae, why are our governor in California? Gavin newsom Kimberly Guilfoil had to go up there and upstate Jim by screaming like a lunatic about all kinds of shit and that was sort of fame. The night was fear mongering high-volume fearmongering, which is funny because that was their. Some of their biggest criticisms of what the Democrats did at the DNC was how? Negative we were. Yeah. Imagine that. In the year like twenty twenty but they criticized the Democrats for being overly negative in the DNC last week and then come out and they're literally out here screaming about Democrats. Killing the. Next Generation of conservatives out there abortions or whatever. inviting Mexican gangs to live next door he forcibly removing your guns disbanding the police. All is wild shit actuated something about this earlier. It's like what's funny about that to me is they also act like. One of the major problems with Democrats. The Democrats are you know for lack of a better word Democrats are huge pussies. They're cowards rat that are weak willed and lack the resolve to actually enact any change there too overly sensitive. They're overly sensitive snowflakes that can't get anything done. They say, and then they come out here and are like they're going to command the gangs and murder the lowered. Its like which one is it man? Yeah. Easy. Joe. Biden is going to kill. God. I'm not sure the mechanism it's like a knife fight or leg like wrestling immature. Sure. How to do it. Yeah but Yeah you had Herschel Walker given giving us. That's another thing time. I hypocrisy they another big criticism was having evil Longoria give the. Like sort of kind of MC, the DNC early last week, and then they opened up with Jon. voight. Like. I don't know. Are obsessed the show business to a degree I work in show business and I think about it less than they do. It I've been thinking about why and my only theory is the only thing. They don't control with pop culture because that's dominated by young people who tend to be more libertine and socially accepting until they get older. And so they. Cosmopolitan I guess I would say. So. It's like. This is so jealous that lake the dams get all the good celebs or whatever, and it's you control the presidency the the judiciary half, a congress, thirty, some statehouses, mostly governorships, wall, street, every corporate board. And? Social media basically and you're also a Chance, the rapper might do a Hillary Clinton benefit or whatever it's. Extremely. Yes. Yes it is. A man. So Kimberly Guilfoil. Right. And this has been pointed out multiple times today but she's screaming like a lunatic. And actually didn't realize last night until I read it today. But like that wasn't live that was pre taped. Her doing that a lot of these speeches, repre- typed, and also there's no one. There's no one there who can tell her maybe to you know not. Do this and I'm going to try to pull this up quick mark. Can't hear again you. I cannot. Yeah. Well, sorry about that. Anyway. y'All get to y'all get the drift. You know what she was. Hang on a second hang on. Sorry new software. I'm trying to figure it out let. Generation says they told you and brainwash hugh and Fed. You lies that you weren't good enough. I think you brought up you know what she said and how she said. Though yeah. Screaming about killing future generations because of our lives in this. League. Remember that quoting that liberals want to control what you see in here's the control how you live and four more years. It's only gone I get right. And she's. She does weird. Aggressive. Granted an empty young eighty rooms always awkward. That's that's nothing I don't. That guests she holds her hands to the heavens and screams. The best is yet to come and I don't like. This is the thing we talked about before like I genuinely I can't make my brain. Understand the brain of someone who watches that who isn't like a billionaire billionaires or whatever aside other than them. I don't understand the branch somebody who? In this country in this point in time. Watching someone screamed, Hey, you ain't seen nothing yet and not being fucking terrified by that. You know what I mean like I don't know how anyone with any kind of sanity. Could, act like things are going great right now you know like I it blows my fucking mind whatever you think the reasons for our problems are a few somehow blame the Democrats for the problems we have or whatever. Okay. Fine I mean I don't get that either but like. You at least got to admit that shit is bad right now I would think but apparently, not now the. Right, and the best is yet to come. I. Guess you can see this as growing pains until we achieve pushing back to a semi apartheid state. I guess the promise I don't I don't really know. I can't put myself in their mind they look. I don't think every trump voter is dumb. I. Think People vote for a lot of different reasons but I do think these people in charge of this are dumb and nobody wants to be going problem with trump from the beginning you have a good campaign. Because no one. Character, intelligence want to be associated with it. Same thing when he got in the White House nobody you only got the dregs. Wanted to be associated with them and same thing with like look at conventions figures like forty percent of like the last name trump because nobody wants to speak at. The drafted Tim Scott and doing it, and he's basically only sitting senator who would wh. WHO's willing to because he doesn't an election soon. They needed they needed a black. Republican. To go up there and say officer. Awesome. Yeah in the. Tonight, this. Now actually sorry guess this got cancelled. Anyway, tonight was shaping up to be memoirs probably will end up being even worse but I'm. Just talking about the lineup they had. Marrying him in Dosa was scheduled to speak tonight and again apparently this just changed very late in the game she kicked off A. Tweet Matt Antisemitic Conspiracy theories connected the Cunanan. Dug Up an old tweet that trump did trump people couldn't known about she tweeted it like an hour ago. Right? Right. Right before she's on the Republican National. Convention this this woman and Merriam she an age. She's an angel mom her gift guy it was her kid was killed by drunk driver who was an illegal immigrant and you know. I'm a dad I feel sorry for him by this loss child obviously but like. Politicized making that you know. TURNING THAT INTO Sort of racist dog whistling about about immigration and whatnot is obviously complete bullshit. But that was the the box she was set check tonight and mere hours before she was going to go on and. Check that box she was on twitter. Urging followers to. Watch this. To emf to investigate this thread about a Cunanan plot about acute non threat about a Jewish plot to enslave the world yeah. So that's what we're dealing with. Honestly I'm surprised she got I'm surprised. She Got Nixed I'm not gonNA live like that. I'm surprised that they actually said now you ain't GonNa go on her do they fill that slot with just fucking politely Greenwood for. On. For like for fifteen minutes or however long she had. Like who did they have in the warnings as an alternate, your kid rock, the stretch cy. Young. Do an extra five. mean. It's it. I'm resident pushed through because one thing trump is figured out and he's smart and a lot of people when it comes to this stuff is like people have people have limits to their outrage and people also have pretty normal expectation for how things work so. She just let talk it would have been like a two hour news cycle. And people don't really grasp what it is or what's wrong with it. Not like. Maybe, twelve million people watching the don't. She's not going to say anything Q. NOT ON TV probably. They probably dump button if she does, but I would have been it would have been some obscure story. We're talking earlier with the weird sex stuff like if you have A. If. You have a normal sex game of the media a report on it like you caught having an affair. It's like you were having sex with an intern or under aid the ODI No. Lie Boyer Dead Girl Thing about ruins careers. But. If you're doing some weird. Sex stuff that mainstream media finds a little Hanky and gross. They. Don't they absolutely have no idea to cover it. So. So that's why like if that fool boy hadn't come forward, follow gotten off because no one. It's like, what do you? What do you say about? You know cookery but pub how DC media has not figured out a report on on a way that doesn't amplify it. You know. So. Yes. Well. Speaking of Cunanan it's really gaining stain mark they're picking up. Picking up some other conspiracy theory communities who are jumping on board. Out Most, notably rat now bigfoot the bigfoot people I don't want to speak for the entire bigfoot community are ad I'm sure there's some I'm sure there's some bigfoot Americans right now who are not. Not Behind this but. Prominent members of the big community have come out of fish fishery endorsing. The Cunanan theory and thus supporting Donald Trump and you know. That is a pretty big blow to receive the video because. Yes if you give me a minute. Yeah. But you talk about it for a while, pull it up. So before it's trade, one thing that's happening and what makes. Q. Community. So dangerous. Besides effective facebook is working its damnedest to make it a thing. Like? facebook pages have grown six-fold overt since cope. It started because people at home and board, and they're sad and paranoid lonely. And so a lot of different conspiracy communities are. Merging to unified theory and like so like new MOMS, joint wellness groups to like maybe try to sell essential oils and get drawing the ANTIBAC- stuff, and then slide into Q., and that's the kind of thing is happening a lot right so you basically can't be on facebook now and not be urged join a community that's going to turn into a cute fan page. said the bigfoot did this? This is a game changer here I'm thinking about joining now. I'll you referred to as a unified theory is there to look that's also that's also. Working towards a unified to explain the physical world, but you know fuck what they're doing. As they're maybe like. What's happened is you got like anti like so Marin County? ANTIBAC- sly moms are now in the same cinematic universe conspiracy theories. Three percenters like militia types, Blue Boys. Q. People, and they're all sharing theories and their they got their core fords and doom we could do with a crazy workforce is you're drawing connections. If if you're against, you think big. Pharma is maybe a little loose with the vaccine they give out to babies. here comes to my Sam actually another bill CH- that the Kobe Copa just a cover up and get us the Bill Gates microchips, and this is like coping conspiracy theory. They're just trying to take trump down take trump down using cova. Because he's done verge of uncovering all the pedophile 's who. Terrified children before they kill them and eat them. The fear generates a chemical called I can't pronounce Andrew. Get so it's a fairly. It's a Rube Goldberg machine of a bunch of stupid things but you grind on there's no reason can't believe the next right, right? Yeah. Yeah. People go and like, yeah you know what? Else man? And hit him with this. Week no one could stomach all of this but here's some of what some what you're talking about John. News. What they referred to themselves as. On otherwise known as a big force people have sasquatch bigfoot. So anyway if you read the In my second book that. Love running two bucks. You will. See that trump is said a few different times. That they are assisting the white hats. Now on. If you're wondering what the heck. Does that mean assisting? The whitecaps. Well. Let's find out. Shall we Okay. Now let's let's find cosby. He. Shows a cute the non. Conspiracy Now. fucking. Sense. But but it opens with him. Yeah. He's saying he's the official ambassador for the new. DEJA. Vu. Anyway he's giving more people. Yeah. Same scratches. Is like a native American tribal name. And apparently they're chief has joined forces with. Up and trump is apparently announced several times straight as he put in his second book. That's a that's a big. That's a big endorsement and the cheese you. People get you. Yes. Get chief forelock or whatever's nine for breaking. The Ski Right. Yeah Foot has come out in support of Donald Trump. It's funny thing about we were texted about this last night is funny. Think about bigfoot being like a bigot? Light turns out big foot's just a horrible racist. That's why he stayed in the woods is how? Big Foot's like, yeah. You ever seen a Jew in the words. Exactly. He's He's in the woods because. The Democrats Fair Housing Policies made the suburbs. It's Astra's unsuitable. That's why I keep to themselves is I just. CAN'T STOMACH MEXICANS AND HOMOSEXUALS and whatever it took all the jobs. It's also fucking crazy man but that's all like, okay. A quick emergence because I was thinking about this, we were talking about Mendes earlier she signed. Sheet wrap before she's was was supposed to go on and speak at the RNC she's given this. Cheese encouraging followers to look into this on theory about. The Global Jewish conspiracy Jews around the world and everything and part of that was talking about the this. well-established. Hoax. Among anti-semites about the Elders of Zion or whatever that was part of it, and she's like the elders on our real. You know you need to look into what they're going after and what I'm getting at is like. I don't. There's so many things that understand about this but I like how does that square with? Republicans, and conservatives like General Support of Israel the state do you know what I mean like? That's always been wild to me that like being hardcore supportive of Israel is a conservative ideology in America right. But yet they also are the ones I was screaming about Jews in the world and all this type of shit like. How is that even supposed to work or they'd it's not they don't support Israel Jewish people they support Israel. Going to bring about the end of the world and Jesus is GONNA come back. So. So. But the thing is like how complicit Israel's been in that and that's because they like Netanyahu. Understands this in his in favor of it and like he's like he's biggest allies. was I just trump or like victim Oregon because it big a right wing like a dictator in eastern Europe, who's like a big anti Zionist conspiracy theorist but he also the but he hates Muslim immigrants, right so basically. Every movie state of Israel and American Evangelical 's have both agreed. that. Hatred for Muslims outranks. Everything including their whether people hate them or not if you're citizen of. Israel. So. It's all pretty audit, but like it's weird, there's A bunch of. Black, swan events happening everything's so much worse. The same time the FBI twitter account tweeted out a link to their file elder elder design on the other day. And if you saw that In a anti Semite conspiracy theorist went crazy but it's just automated FBI bought that. In response to a freedom of information. Act Request people ask for at the I files the FBI once they clear it in a d classified information with deleted and of course, they did it research into this document that was a very popular among violent separatists so It's like people took that as like support dislike trump when trump said people love me last week at a press conference. The Q. People took that as we're right. We've been on something the whole time. Time. Well, he said it might be two different press conferences who can even keep up but the one I saw, they asked him about Cunanan they said, what do you think about Cunanan conspiracy theory that your administration is helping to save the world from a global cabal of pedophilia cannibals or whatever, and trump was just like. Is that supposed to be bad like we are saving the world and just left it that. So say world is a good thing trae he's got. So. Let's let's go comments variously what we got. Steve Marsh says Breaking News Milanya caught on tape badmouthing the dawn and his kids. That's the. Her former friend assistant put out right Yes or is about to put out but that's like. Who can even keep up with all the different? Caught on Tape Shit Talkin about Donald Trump because I know just a couple of days before that there is sign thing but with his niece. Taping his sister is older sisters a judge and his sister was talking shit about trump awfully isn't she can't stay in them, and now you've got Malania doing the same thing and it's like literally ever been anybody. That isn't currently. Under his thumb like isn't currently benefiting from his reign. Who has ever said anything good about him. You know what? Like every single time anything comes out from someone who like has been associated with trump in the past It's universally negative. Even the people cost to them his own family none of this stuff hurts because the. People like him one of the things they like about him is that he's fucking sucks like they can find like like they think it's good that he's meaning dumb because it's like I. Don't know why but they enjoy it. They enjoyed how much it frustrates people like you and me or like fucking idiot and get mad about it because you know he's going to. Cost US a year our lives hiding in her houses because of the coronavirus and. Economic Opportunities and you know, what are the all the things that go along with it? But like triggered the lids. Here's my mug liberal lately. Love that show. It's great. But like right like he knows he sucks too by the way like this isn't like like. A pair of his biographers we're listening to a podcast years ago we're talking about. The try to get him to be introspective. Just. Asked him. Question prompts like the illiterate asked him if you had a friend. And he goes he thought about and goes like what do you mean like someone I would go out to dinner with and talk to. What you say friends. And collaborators. Goes well, then no. Like, he just doesn't. But there are people like that. Some people just like did they don't they don't care about he's working relationship. They have some really high functioning like. Kobe Bryant family famously with proud that didn't have any friends busy a plan. But the. Another one, this is funny one, but they asked him. Who is ideal companion was? Thought about it for minute and he said Hot Broad, but the huge rack. Thought about it for a minute to come up with that. You've been. Sending who's your biggest hero? Who would you? Your life again like. I mean just. For Minute imagining him reading a poem in thinking about it this thing. Yeah. A Jamie Horowitz said, we're laughing about all this now, but it's actually terrifying. Most of trump's base actually believes this shit and you're right but you're one hundred percent right but it's one of those things where like. You got to laugh at it. You know otherwise you fucking go and sign. I actually think ridicules probably the way like the way the way that the Mainstream. centrist reporters talk about the stuff of this sort of blake distinct bemusement whether or not really familiar with. It's kind of cute adorable fringe conspiracy theory of it doesn't really matter I think that is not helpful but I think if you actually understand enough that's talking their language and make fun of fucking stupid they are. I think. More people from signing onto. It. Makes Sense. I mean, honestly yes I don't I don't have any other weapons but roasting stuff. Writer on a facebook show I don't know what else to do. Now. Yeah. Well, I mean. Yeah. Also again like I think that just like. When people take shit like so seriously. which they all do I think? One of the best things you can do if you're talking about combating. Is just laughing and its face. Because of the way, they look at it all get out. I don't know. I here. They will say Kerley says, marks exactly right. They're trying to bring on the end of the world calls the rapture. Trick traded get dragged his rare southerner. He didn't drag to Sunday School for eighteen straight year. So the this stuff allied sometimes. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. I grew up basically a religious and it's always I mean like. I've been obviously aware of all this shit, my whole life, but I haven't been. Immersed in it and bombarded by like. So many of my. Fellow southerners have been and. Yeah it's just it's wild to my but. Here. Kathy incurring said I've never seen a vape black that that's just a jewel. It's all it is. All the kids have them very popular. So you're here. A Right Don Anderson says Mike Pompeo is about to speak from Israel live. That are in see that's why Mendoza was removed. She was the slot immediately before palm peyot they were they were both they were both plan to be there I. Know People were upset about pop pompeii. The Secretary of State is currently in Israel and is speaking at the RNC from there and they made the whole show of saying like. All the cost associated with him doing that will come from campaign funding and all that, and they won't be like taxpayer dollars. Else but people are pissed off because it's He's doing this. Essentially in his official capacity as the secretary of state on a diplomatic mission or whatever speaking at our INSEE in endorsing Donald. Trump. Yeah all these guardrails have had to keep us keep things working where where you do Lincoln and nod and pretend things are political like. The State Department's independent of campaigns south of fucking window. which is. Pretty clever way to solicit more foreign interference with the State Department be on your side if you help trump campaign went. I didn't really I didn't make the connection between. The antisemitic conspiracy theory are payback's being in Israel right now could be be a reason but also as we just talked about the State of Israel has. Basically formally endorsed and intimacy intimate spirit series by the pick their lives abroad because of being right wing is more important than. Not Wanting to kill them. Yeah. Zay. Rizek said I hadn't heard about Melania Talk Shit about Donald but Yeah. Apparently that's come in the next tell all book. So a new one comes out everywhere apparently the woman who falling out with Malania over whatever I was his best friend like executive assistant. I think. I think the one health plan, the inauguration, a bunch of money went missing to the might have been part of the fallout was that she stole from the trump's which you can help from steal, but he can't steal from trump's mostly they get their cut i. Apparently recorded a bunch of conversations Malania where she said that a long socks, Don Juniors and eighty one likes him and she doesn't Asthma Everyone know the stuff I mean what's IT GONNA do make their marriage bed. Right. Yeah Yeah may no one who? WHO Might have their mind changed by any of that is going to give a shit about any of its multiple people have brought up. Richard Spencer. Endorsing, Joe Biden Richard Spencer. They noted Outright Neo Nazi. Here in America officially endorsed Joe Biden and Joe Biden. Of. Officially renounced his endorsement and called him repugnant and said, now we don't want your support whatever so that that did happen. I don't I. Don't like. We were also text him about this a little bit last night I don't. It doesn't mean not supposed to write him my supposed to give a fuck about this about what like I don't give a fuck about any of that nudes other opinions like supposed to care about endorsing Joe, is that supposed to mean something? Does I don't believe anything. He says so. Do Do do I think that he would rather joe, Biden the. OSCE do because trump's presidency is not been good for him lake grab these guys need. An enemy and power. To fundraise and profit off of right, right right like Obama, like yeah getting Obama. There for eight years gives them to something point to point at and scream about yet, which elevates their their British. Hate groups in the Obama years were the best. Years that hey, groups of militias it had in years because the paranoia around a black president and you probably and late let me like little trump's. Since trump got elected Richard Spencer has gone broken. His wife has left and he's living with his mom who another right winger up I remember the story right or another right robbery with like all right dude swat like had the swat sent to his mom's house. So. I'm saying is the inauguration day Richard Spencer return that is pepe, the frog pen and got punched in face by Dude from black rock that might have been the high point of trump's presidency for Richard spects. Right. Yeah Yeah I like. Yeah I don't know I feel like a lot of people were treating it like that. Was Indicative of something. But this do toll thing is being he's a troll. Like he's a classic troll. You don't feed the trolls ICU who gives what? Who He's endorsing what he sang very close college friends with Stephen Miller Miller hasn't gotten a job in the White House. Right Now let's see here zoo. Orion Ericsson said trae how stander you right now I'm not down at all the people. Think you're the people think you're sweet I think. This way is not here's the thing. I'm one of the biggest lightweights on planet were Wade is concerned I live in. California. I do fuck with some legal weighed but very, very, very, very lightly like I'm the type that if I like I get like a five milligram gummy and I have to cut it into pieces to take it that's the truth because otherwise I will I will commune with the void in fatal position for eight hours if I don't like. With me I just can't I got nothing against it, but it don't. Well, that is exactly why take ten milligrams before I go to sleep the. Got Your. People Bring Kellyanne Cau-. Kellyanne Conway who is. leaving. Apparently she's she's taking her leave from. Trump country. My knee jerk reaction to that is. That she thinks a big L. is come that she yeah like a rat off a sinking ship type of thing maybe it's not it but that's where my head goes. Same thing is Richard Spencer I don't believe anything these people say or do whatever's going on her family is. A tremendous branding exercise. That's one thing that's happening because if they successfully established. A George her and the daughter Claudia as voices on three distinct parts of political online. The daughter makes socialistic toxin tweets. The husband is a an a never-trumper who's making me. Now, and he's she's well centered to make a killing in mainstream republican politics if she can avoid the ugly downfall if she can start getting gigs. Short. She'll be corporations to stop lobbying for late specially if trump wins. So. I don't know how much Claudia's online presence is hostile and how much of it is a teenager going through a really rough time and either way I I feel bad giving too much attention to it and she's a part of me thinks she's being honest and just going through a really rough time she accused her mama physical abuse. So, either way. That families have intense therapy either. Either because quality is being on answer because he isn't so either way it's that right? Well, we are pretty much out of time I WANNA do a quick shout out here even though I'm not I'm not a fan personally marks Dallas Mavericks. I've been digging what they're doing y'all should be watching the NBA playoffs fucking twenty one year old Loka Don-shik. Let me tell Ya. This kid is something else he's. Tipped thousand our go for all on now. Twenty right now about twitter I I've been there they've been there. But at the same time, right? Right, Anyway Yeah Shutout Luca and the Maya. And? Yeah I ain't watching basketball. You should be shits it and I lived in a like A. Fair weather fan by the way lived in Dallas for eleven years and that's GonNa. Become a maverick rights. Well that's it. For another edition invaded excuse we'll be back in forty eight hours on Thursday. We'll see you right here. Same place same time. Love you all very much. So you buy so by Mart? How'd Y'all welcome back? Today's Thursday August twenty seventh crowder. That's Mark Edgy. WHAT'S UP Mark? Look Very. Open this evening skis as always we like to begin on the skews with an update on American dumb assery and tonight's no different set. It is a little bit different because tonight work prognosticating a bit because see we pride ourselves bang on the bleeding edge of dumb shit in this country, and thus we felt it just wouldn't be right to name a dumb ass of the day without first hearing the remarks that are soon to be made by President Donald Trump at the Republican national convention. In a mere matter of hours. So we were saying is we're no stir dumb assing. POSTER DUMB. ASS thing I like it. Yeah we we just thought it would be disingenuous if not outright irresponsible to name some other story or some other soundbite as the dumb ass clip for the day when we know that they dumb ass in chief is yet to speak this very evening. So mark I know we're not we're not vegas oddsmakers or anything but what did you think is GonNa be the dumbest shit out of his mouth here in a couple of hours. Using this kind of sticks the teleprompter especially, with note, live crowd the chairman. Doing at the White House probably makes them employees state a classroom so. I what I've been reading is there expect they're expected to have like a crowd a thousand people there. I. Don't know I. Don't know how they're going about to come dozen or how that's. I don't know the details behind that but I've read multiple places because obviously getting a lot of flack for that. Rightfully. So specially after his Tulsa Rally or whatever. It's less than he normally packs into a small area but yeah. From what I've read they're expecting like a thousand people at this address at the White House. So that's a good dumb ass start. I mean it is I. would say that I think the testing rapid testing now's the didn't have also so maybe it'll be fine I don't know. But lie about the results anyway. Even if a bunch people test positive 'cause you can't have like a five hundred. Those thousands posits enough to be a good crowd. So you gotTa have the. Somebody to find the teaser cannons into you know. Absolutely. So. Here's one thing I'm wondering about it. Like. A huge factor for trump or a huge thing he leaned on and twenty six was being an outsider draining the swamp and all that. He's not he's not part of the you know bureaucratic. Machine in Washington and that was part of the appeal for him for a lot of people. Is he going to keep that up and how do you go about that when you have been the sitting president for four years just You just pretend the describe I mean it's always hustling the world like everybody George W the same thing. Again as Washington washing outside in two thousand and there was dad was president has was a senator. Iran is a mini grant again as watching outside of two, thousand, four, hundred have been president for four years presided over nine eleven. I don't know. It's weird. It's weird. I don't know I don't get it. I figure a lot of it will come down to Emphasizing how much of an insider Joe Biden is He's senator almost fifty years of experience whatever and I feel like that's going to be part of the part of the span and mean they've been shitting on Biden. All we obviously, of course, they're going to do that but I'm saying when it comes to this particular dynamic I think that's GonNa, be a lot of the angle. There is like, yeah, he's been trump sitting president for four years but Jill Biden has been in government for half a century and he was you know he was there for the preceding years worst eight years in American history according to trump and his So figure it's going to be some of that type of shit. There's going to be that, but also he starts free willing I imagine He'll magical talk about Kenosha, which I think we're going to get to later and I probably talk about. Do Kamla. birther stuff. Even if it's just a brief aside, he can't help him so. Yeah I guess right. So. As part of the whole shit non Biden and also talking about you know he's the ultimate insider and that type of thing I'm sure they're gonNA keep up the rhetoric that I've already had gone all week at the RNC where they talk about. Like obviously, things are terrible in. America. Right now obviously to me, but apparently not to everybody but they've been trying to do is sort of pitch this idea that. Things will only be even worse if Biden and the Democrats were in charge right? And I'm sure that's going to be heavily featured about like the nightmarish dystopia that awaits us all if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris actually win. and. Part of that will be based upon the idea that they are such extreme progressives that it will just turn us into like you know a Communist. Gay Sex food stamp factory of a country or whatever but debt-reduction Damn. Definitely going on and use of food stamps to buy gay sex as the number one thing I'm doing. Right up. Assure shut what but like the thing about that is it was the same way with Obama to for me because I was a huge Obama fame when he was running the first time and I love Obama and I miss him every day but like This thing they don't they don't realize that. The beef most. Self described liberals have with Biden Obama Commonly Harris, as Democrats is that they're nowhere near progressive enough. Do you know what I talk about them like these? Radicals. But for most of us, the whole issue is that there to moderate in the first place and I feel like I'm sure a lot of them. I do know that but I feel like. A lot of them also realize that and imagine how freaked out they would be if they really did. We I don't know We got like a hundred years of. Brainwashing. Poisoning from like like like. Against any left wing movement the case in point. The NBA staff, there's guys went on strike. We don't have a for because labor movements. So so crushed in America that they call it a boycott, which is like somebody just points using this using the language of consumers. Boycotts don't buy a product. Were withheld dragged live, right? Yeah. When you was hauled your labor, that's a strike which is yeah. Do. But we don't we don't have like we don't have a mental framework for like Detroit Explainer Lake Sandy by irregular American that Lake even just thirty years of history ago. That obamacare was based upon Mitt Romney's health care plan in Massachusetts, which was built upon a Heritage Foundation plan that newt. Gingrich put out at opposition to what Hillary Clinton's health care plan in the early nineties literally. The obamacare is what Newt Gingrich for posts in nineteen ninety four as a market based solution. So like Democrats government like the the right wing parties in in in England and are treated as though they're left wing parties in north Vietnam. It's pretty it's. Gang rap back to that. But a quick comment about the mustache I get a lot of them. Larry Myers. Careful try that mustache beginning to look like it belongs on confederate general. Larry why not union general we all know why is a last sound because of my accent now I've been. The Self Roast I've been doing the mustaches I've got a whole confederate Barista thing going on I feel like. That sort of sums up what I'm doing here at a just going to do this because they the to an important factor for me like three, hundred, thousand southerners fought for the Union you could very well have been in union general. Yeah even with this accent Larry. Anyway, for back to. Talking about yeah, I used to have. Like. My old job back in Tennessee and I worked with a lot of like you know young professional republicans like not not redneck all boys from my hometown is my point. People who are like, you know more articulate generally speaking about their arguments and things like that. And this was during the Obama era and they obviously just hated Obama couldn't stand him and we would have. Would have discussions about it. I was like I. I have a huge Obam, but then I was saying, I but you know. Look I've been I've been disappointed by a lot of things about Obama to and they would like seize on mad is like right? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about and you know now I made it into the exact opposite. Because he's nowhere near. Where near progress for liberal enough for my taste. And they think that he was like the. Car for mark of American presidents whatever Karl Marx have. Been Black. You're you're disappointed in a Bob. Because he drones too many Afghans and they're disappointed about drawing Afghans didn't make him erect. Yes right. I feel like another thing that's GonNa come up in this speech because already talked about it in a lot of the other speech so far has to do with them law and order they did the whole long I mean they always do the law and order law and order was a huge part of the campaign in two thousand sixteen to and they're still leaning on it right now. Last night. Mike Pence was talking about the law the general lawlessness in American liberal cities like. Minneapolis Portland and Kenosha. But there's never any mention of like. What precipitates these protests or where any of that is coming from. And Like just for example. There's been a lot of other protests in the in the during the trump presidency, right? Obviously there are people on trump's side protesting the country being shut down because of corona virus earlier this spurning but also other liberal protests like the women's pro the women's marches in the women's protests right after trump was inaugurated in January twenty seventeen stuff like that i. I mean frankly white people protests what people on both sides right and People aren't getting fucking shot at those protests. Do you mean like people aren't getting just violently put down at those protest and? Why not like? How do you explain that? Other than the obvious I forget, which is either Michigan Wisconsin. Win The the open up protests when open carry people push past cops with loaded rifles in occupied a house and we're intimidating legislative the legislators leave the building the occupied, the gallery with weapons which is. You know. Maybe, more perspective gun laws. If you're if you're if you don't be in a room with open therapy or maybe you pass a law. Carry guns into the State House and that none of the guys get shot now exactly and so following onto that kind of transitioning a little bit about Kenosha. minute. There's multiple reports everything about this. So protested Kenosha after Jacob Lake was shot at the protests that resulted from that. Two three people were shot two people shot to death. By. A. pro-trump seventeen year old gun carrying lunatic from nearby. Illinois. What was the guy's name? I had I had it. Pulled up earlier. So fucking. Boy. Kevin Forget doesn't. Help me out here on should. ratted it. It doesn't matter but anyway. So trump guy who had. Cal Rittenhouse as. It's written how seventeen year old pro-trump guy on his twitter says like I'm just trying to be famous. He imposed multiple tick tock videos a him trump rallies and things like that. He goes to the protests and Kenosha ends up. Murdering people and he has been arrested and he has been charged with murder but there's multiple reports and videos and stuff from the protests and that that happens shows the cops at those protests like giving him water. Helping him along basically seventeen year old with a gun right and the cops are like you know. Glad to have you. Thanks thanks for being here. Using video video of a police officers dappling up for our boys and doing the covert. Okay. Sign Adam and stuff like that which is. Chosen side and it's not the sight alone order by the way and I don't like the phrase makes less sense to me that ever has my life because. It doesn't. It's meaningless. It just means you obey the rules. So I don't have to, which is the weirdest thing a law and order are are even the same concept because. A. Assert as an order society tolerates a ton of disorders fifty twin speed like we we have a ton. A ton of free society is the balance a ton of stuff rate that you have the given right now we have a, we have a open carry right and you have a first amendment. Now. Those are in conflict when somebody shows up with a gun to threaten people who are expressed in the first amendment rights and the rule of law enforcement officers should be tried to try to find a balance agree like, Hey, guys. Maybe, stand further back maybe this sizable parts of both sides can be doing with. Doing a free society, right? That's. That's a lot of this is managing human behavior. Did can't be written down a page. A rule to follow is just coaching people through social situations. Right? That would be that'd be a functional role for law enforcement in the scenario, but instead they picked a side and apt. Up and two people are dead and the other guy got shot in the arm and rough. Go ahead no go ahead. Finish finish your thought. It. I've seen a couple of different like Lake Tiktok like not to talk the apple like like. Try to figure out time stamp of what happened in what order because I haven't really seen good explanation of what actually started the violence here although it's pretty clear that. After he shot the first guy. Whatever precipitated acas people are saying, he threw Molotov cocktail over the slow down the video shug throwing a paper bag with something in it although one angle like maybe maybe it wasn't fire flaming bag or. I don't know. So he killed that guy and then other people. See Him commit murder in try to do you know stop him which you're supposed to the mass shooter. Right? They've been the right wing have been saying all you just Russia as we be coaching school kids to do is to Russia shooters, mass shooter situations as they do that, but he wasn't will attack him. So that self defense it. So that's the new spin on how would. You Be Delaney who isn't because he shot a guy and he took a gun to a place to defend buildings and he's vigilante support but the vigilantes are trying to stop guy shooting people are they deserve get murdered because they're attacking a guy so who's really? And and just. To Act like I don't know if like a lot of them would be were framed argument as. People trying to maintain law and order, and then anarchist vigilantes on the other side, and that's what's going on and race doesn't factor into it. But. But what? What what definition is? Your shooting people in the head to stop a window Abraham like how does that mean to wars the being more disordered? Right well, it's was like we talked about on Tuesday talking about Jacob black-eyed keep already like what happens every single time the police shoot a guy. Started, talking about all the other things this guy had done prior to being shot by the police every time so far every single time like look if a dude has a gun in a shooting at cops and he gets shot back. Yeah. That's just what happens I like. Doing that. It should be a last resort but what always happens every single time? One of these cases comes up is that it's like, why don't I don't I don't care I don't give a shit what else he did before that. Didn't it should not. It doesn't justify being executed in Jacob is not he's not dead he's alive, but he was paralyzed but still like none of those arguments hold any water for me at all. None, of those things should result in a death sentence I don't care if the person liked math or whatever the fuck it shouldn't be shot over it. Is The DAD said he's handcuffed to the hospital bed. The Guy can't rise whilst the ability to walk in his needs to be on life support. Right? We have him handcuffed to the bed yes and so an another thing about this like I said that people try to frame it as though it's not it isn't racially motivated. Anarchist and whatever else. But they don't bring race into it RNC. Multiple speakers. We have explicitly stated that we don't have a problem with systemic racism Nikki Haley was like they say America's Rice's country. I'm telling you right now America is not a racist country things like that but I just don't you said that she said America Racist Country and then she immediately pivoted to how much Predator parents facedly I move here and how they overcame at cheating American dream. Bright. But I just don't know how watch this clip I'm about show menu in both saying it but fro viewers watch this clip. And look me in the face and tell me that none of this shit is racial at all mark. Tell me if you don't order. The thing is this isn't this isn't this is from two thousand, eight, clear right you're right and. This this is the sheriff of Kenosha and you're at this clip is not related Jacob Blake this. Nineteen, when they had a spate of like shoplifting, here's To say. Listen this know that it's about shop five shot replace got caught up. Yes shoplifting and again, this dude is still. He's the he's the sheriff. Still this clip is old, but he's still this guy but anyway so listen this and mark if you don't hear anything, tell me immediately soccer fix it around. Here we go. Society. has to come to a fresh threshold where there's some people that aren't worth saving. We need to build warehouses to put these people into it and lock them away for the rest of their lives. Let's put them in jail. Let's let's stop them from. Truly at least some of these mails going out and getting ten other women pregnant and having small children. Let's put them away at stunk point. To stop being politically correct and I don't care what race care how old they are. If there's a threshold that they cross. These people have to be warehouse no recreational college shoplifting in the jails right. We put them away. We put them away for the rest of their lives so that the rest of us can be better. Right exactly. So yes, people should be warehoused. Sterilized. Locked up forever away from the rest of society for shoplifting and again of court like they always do he makes a point in the middle of that to say I don't care what race you are whatever. But Dude Watch that she didn't tell me that he ain't talking about fucking black people like. He's also the extremely could language me says from getting women pregnant having small children is last time I checked everyone has children has small children but these are apparently especially small useless children. These people are having A. Real problem for society gotTA figure. Out. Like I don't, and so also as a side note that is that's the sheriff in Kenosha. They're also police chief, right? It's a city county situation. And the police chief this week when asked about the people who were murdered by Rittenhouse by the seventeen year old. He said, here's what he said. He said quote everybody involved was out after the curfew. I'M NOT GONNA make a great deal of it but the point is the curfews in place to protect people have persons not been out involved in violation of that. Perhaps the situation that unfolded would not have happened if it is the person who. This is not the action I believe of those who set out to do protests is the person who were involved after the legal time involved in illegal activity that brought violence to this community. So still very very thinly veiled straight up blaming the protesters for being shot. Seventeen year old vomiting also the curfew. Has Nothing curfews pretext to give police licensed to beating arrest right get this for an existing like that's that's only reason that curfews that exist is so that if they have a curfew, you don't have to be doing something other than existing after a certain point on the clock for them to retaliate. If you're if you're if you're protests seven, fifty nine, you're a good citizen eight Oh one you're carrying your has to jail. Adage loud. And it's also like David. Here in L. A., R. Experience as soon as they stopped having the curfews. There were no more confrontation it literally just the curfew escalated conflict because police would put on the right shields and charge into crowds which stopping the curfew the same seven, fifty, nine protests kept on happening till eleven then people been home peaceful is literally just bid please charging into crowds to enforce an arbitrary curfew and also sort of ridiculous to have a curfew. It's like we fucked up and shot a dude shouldn't shots now all all your assets if go to bed at eight, five PM, fights fucking stupid. Right. Yeah and it's also like. Related to that again like we alluded to it earlier but. They talk about like. The burning of public buildings and shit like that or looting and rioting and windows getting broken whatever else. But like they never ever bring up. Why those gatherings even existed in the first place. First of all, obviously, I've been to a bunch of protests here in La at. There have been professionally shit like that has gone down. I have not seen any of that ever and regardless even at the ones where there was fucking looting and that sort of thing. Ninety eight percent of the people there are not doing it. But Furthermore No one would be there gathering in any capacity. If you had. Martin. Other guy. And they they never address the the of any of these symptoms that we're all seeing. The. They the the coverage that they as the shooter in Kenosha this continual Kyle Kid. This story still blend the protesters. It'll be a face stuff like. Seventeen year old a kid arrested in connection with shooting deaths that happened at. Canossa protests that turned violent. It's like well, who turned violent and how's IT connected in Woodside was on you know I don't know I don't understand I i. don't WanNa do the outside agitators thing and all that dumb shit because. What happens here is everybody's vilifying their neighbors that like their neighbors or some sort of like invading four and. This kid apparently was across state lines like up. Close, by his mom drove him up to shoot people. His. Mom drop them off at the murder. fucking. Everything is so ridiculous right now but yeah, like he so. He goes up there. With a gun on. Thinking he's GonNa like. Help the police. Control. This lawlessness or whatever the fuck, and then he gets there in the police are extremely receptive to him and supporting what he's doing and all this, and then you know why what need feel empowered to just to shoot some of these obvious criminals and this guy's mind. Because of the message has been sent by the other side as it relates to all of this shit you know. Yeah. The. The police are exactly I, mean. No No Police Department in the United States right now thanks to the war on terror is armed. They the you see this random police departments in. Ferguson. Missouri Kenosha Wisconsin. Minute something goes wrong. They looked like a you know a characters from call of duty or halo they do not need your health. The only thing. And this is how they used him is you get to new more violence can while the cameras are on right and they up yet by ability? Yeah and another thing about that I used to, as I mentioned before I used to work for the Federal Government Mild Daij outdoor for the Department of Energy but still as part of that, we add a lot of trade. Society. We live in out as we had a lot of yearly training on active shooter situations how to handle an active shooter and law enforcement was always involved in those trainings and every single time. They made a huge point a huge point, any active shooter training from law enforcement of. Do not get involved like you are. If you are present for something like that we don't we don't want you. Coming out with your gun and trying to beat fucking Batman whatever by men don't use guns but you know you get the point. because. This is obvious like We're not gonNA know we see you with a gun trying to be vigilante. We're just going to see a guy with a gun you know and you're going to get shot. All you do is complicate matters they preached that shit to death when it comes to just regular active shooter trainings but in a white kid shows up to racially motivated protests with a gun and they're just giving him water and Shit, and that's all fine. Like Something very funky. There is a point and it's pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious what? Is Behind it all. To White, dude got killed right or one of them was at least now. Right. So the I got dude he apparently had a gun but of course, one guy gets the gun doesn't. Right. So related to this A rare story on the excuse from the world of sports. Before live on a Kosheh did like the just we've like, if things get worse but just know it's always kind of been this bad someone was reading Nixon Land and push it screengrabs from it. After Kim State Fifty, eight percent of. People surveyed. Thought that the National Guard was right to kill those for college students and the local newspapers flooded with positive letters thanking the National Guard for killing those caused students and this one lady they interviewed said, there'd the active she was proud of the guard. The person was like you're three sons were out there and she said, well, they didn't follow orders they should've been mowed down to. So. Yeah okay. I didn't know any of that I mean I. Guess I'm. I'm. Not, that surprised but I didn't know that that's crazy and also like I'm sure I'm sure you could find plenty of people racist or not even read while I'm sure these people would also be racist but like just hardcore conservatives. Still out there today who if you got into the conversation with Kent State situation with them say basically the same thing. Yeah. Was it was justified or whatever but. I'm sure you could find those people but generally speaking. The way we look back upon the. CAN'T The can't stay. Massacre is a massacre. You don't have to you know what I mean like the way it's taught in generally discussed outside of like extremists, motherfuckers is like what a stain. On Modern American history, this was what a tragedy this was that this happened. because. History works in progress works at light. We're going to be saying the same thing about this. Shit. Yep however may year forty years later whatever however far removed we are from can't state now people who their kids themselves about where they were at the time. What happened was we laughed we lost Vietnam everyone generally. conceded. It'd be non was a bad idea and therefore the kids can stay were right and so I agree with them of course, obviously like the. Surveys you ask everyone who was alive at the time like seventy percent of people say they voted for JFK. But he barely won that election probably had some cheating in Chicago to get to cross the line and So it there obviously lying my friend who funny versus friend His mom swears the I m she voted for president was for JFK except he he did the math and she was sixteen that election. And he was like mom you couldn't have voted for JFK, you weren't. She's still insists she voted for JFK. And she was eighteen even though she was born two years too late to have done. So, right? Yeah. Right because I think I think there's a thing in most all people that they want to be like they want to ban on the right side of the thing. When you but We try to make an argument to people who are you know? Super into law and order right now or whatever pick your snack areo. Argument of like, how are you going to explain this shit, your grandkids you know what I mean like you don't think they're going to be ashamed of you and it doesn't make any kind of impact on people right now even though. Thousands of years of history illustrate. That that's exactly what's going to happen by. We're just going to be shameful in fifty years less than fifty years but like there, your grandchildren are going to be ashamed of you. For Shit like that and so it was probably GonNa happen statistically is you're GONNA end up lying about it to them like you were just describing. So why not? Try to do better in the moment you know these people can't do it. That way I mean we can't have any conversation in this country without going meet the level ten like for example, like a fairly benign requests. After. All these videos is like, Hey, we need to do something to a minimum have a federal way to get police to. Be Less. Quick pull trigger. You, know in general, right it seems like a fairly straightforward asked. For. Good government purposes because these are these are people that are funded by tax payers. Like shoot less people and then immediately people go. Well, that's communism. I don't even understand how things connect. Argued about anybody. Police shooting more people is good and but you look at. This way everything look at like I was reading about. Mask and I was looking at like the same arguments about steep belts in the nineties. That people were saying that that was a step towards teutonic to have seatbelt laws is anyone gonna stay up right now like I would I said in nineteen ninety five or whatever that seat belts are GonNa lead to authoritarian communism and by God I was proven correct. Yeah Yeah. Right and Yes I mean like. It just you're one hundred cigarettes that every every day to. Immediately we're so polarized now. And that's such a huge part of it like I've. People I think on both sides do this thing but still. You make someone who's on the opposing side from you. In the macro sense generally speaking and we have this tendency right now in America to immediately immediately place that person on the extreme end of that spectrum you don't main without actually talking to them at all like I go. You know I'm from very small town in Tennessee I'm from the rural deep South. I still go back there every year when there's not a fucking pandemic going on. And I still I'm still from hang out? With. All the guys who went to high school is you know we're still. A lot of us are fellow liberal rednecks, lot of them are on the same side as me but some of them are not some of them are more stereotypical in that way with their political leanings. These conversations with like. This is like verbatim actual conversation. You know one of my buddies with come you know we'll come up to me or they're on the like or whatever, and just be like. I just don't understand why you think. Why you believe I shouldn't be able to own a gun. You know like I'm like, you know me like I'm a I'm a family man I got kids my I like to hunt you know like. You know you know may try I ain't gonNA. What's wrong with me owning a gun? Why do you believe I shouldn't be able to own a gun? It's always like. I I don't believe that Kobe like I don't. Believe that you know. What I actually believe is start lying like there are plenty people in this country who should known a gun because they're lunatics extremist or whatever, and it shouldn't be easy for them to give for these people to get a gun you know and actually like lay it out and you know. The guys always like typically ends up being like. Yeah well, I. Agree. With that we end up discovering we pretty much agree we agree to ninety five percent of it where that particular issue is concerned. Most people. Put me in that. At that other five percent or whatever without even actually talking to me about it and again I think people on both sides do that but it's what leads to a lot of the bullshit we have. So it's social media as a as we do the show on facebook social media, lease people unable to see humanity anyone else. You can do it camps real quick but the you've actually talked to a person you realize you do you agree on. Ninety, seven percent you might you might. You might link your priorities differently, right? Right whereas like if your kid got shot in a mass shooting at school gun control might be your number one issue. If you If you live in a border state and work in a factory stopping liberal illegal immigration might be your number one you know it's like but. Things get two different work priority or is but people tend to agree. On stuff like there's a a great special Jordan. Clever did a couple years ago reinterviewed people in all different. Ends the gun range of the gun debate and everyone Joni agreed. The ninety percent of the polling supports a ninety percent of people like the. There's a huge guy like had five hundred guns. It makes his living doing like machine gun instruction was like, yeah I mean, why would three days? Right I. I don't want somebody who has five convictions for beating women to own a gun talk women. What would it be in favor of that? Debate supreme debates were stupid and their heightened by media apparatus who like who make money off conflict you know. Yeah, and you know like I've seen people on both sides do. I remembered another story about me doing the same thing. My wife is from a different but very similar, culturally extremely rural area in Tennessee on the other end of the state, her family's all. rednecks and shit and I was back there. The last time we went back there I was on the porch and her uncle shows up. Been Drinking Tequila and I know this guy but he's like he's ran his fuck it's her uncle or names omagree. Read but he's sitting out there on the porch and knows I'm the liberal quarrier in family or whatever, and so he gets into guns right and he's like. He's like look. He he goes in this whole thing and he goes he goes the only thing wrong with buying a gun in the United States of America and in my head I'm like Jesus. Here we go. He goes don thing wrong with buying a gun in the United States America is it it's too Goddamn as easy to do. And I was like I did not say that that's not where I thought you were going with that I'll call. You know. But then again, we had a conversation about it and pretty much agreed on most of it and that's how that. Shit. Tends to go if you actually see it through but you know like I said, that's not starting point a lot of people who are at so. I did want at least mentioned. In, the last episode to mirror two days ago, we signed off talking about the NBA and how great it was great. The playoffs had been like from An. Entertainment perspective I was like watching the NBA playoffs you should be and then yesterday albeit temporarily the NBA playoffs got cancelled because of these exact issues we're talking about the Milwaukee Bucks Milwaukee. Wisconsin is like canoas like by route Milwaukee, like they're essentially the same place in the Milwaukee Bucks. Refuse to take the floor yesterday against the Orlando Magic they took a stand, and after that happened, is that off the sort of domino effect word the rest of the players on the rest of the teams also took a stand started and like you mentioned this earlier people say the players are boycotting the league. But as you pointed out, no, they're not they're not boycotting anything they're on a strike they went on strike as response to this. Situation. We have like they're in the bubble down they're not allowed to leave. They'd been there for like weeks at this point. Too. Much feel. They feel very helpless right and like what else are they supposed to do? So they they took a stand and they ended up they had a bunch of meetings among the players they ended up they're going to. They resume the play offs but like I said last night and thinking about it, I don't know how you feel about it but I. I think could make an attorney direction because as far as. Like the players got because they were. A lot of players like. Now, fuck this for striking what we gotta do. And this is doing something and of course I respect and support that. But. There were also a lot of people in his players to Die Barclay. Kenny the Smith walked off the set of inside the NBA in support of the players striking. So he was basically saying like, yeah, fuck this. We're done. We're taking stay in. The Charles Barkley and other analysts and other players their position was. Why not use this platform that we have this massive platform that we have to continue the conversation you know what I mean personally I think that's a valid argument too. You know like like. You make your point but I definitely think there's something to be said about like. Keeping the cameras on you while you say the right thing. I. Mean I think the way more attention than they've been getting by doing this big dramatic for sure at first I think that this this was a huge compromise position because they're gonna I guess restored basketball on a couple of days but if the We talk about this stuff tactically strategically instead of like Donna basic humanity level like people talk about weather, how the protesters should be behaving and the thing is they're not organized. It's a community expressing rage. We're not thinking tactically strategically powder affects the election. They're fucking pissed. I didn't want you to know they're pissed because no one's listening to them for her. Hundreds of years. And Dribble Yeah. So the the bucks specifically not a from the area where Jacob Lake got shot but they. A bucks players Sterling Brown is it place the bucks two years ago he's in the middle of a big lawsuit because he parked in a handicapped spot, a convenience store cops rolled up. Park Man. Handicapped spot. Right. This is one of those things where does up not defending give them a ticket right but get his hands in his pockets. It made the cops nervous his hands in his pockets. So they tased him and beat him and coughed him and arrested him right and so he's a little bit lost against them. Bucks had a player named John Henson there was a big incident. Like three or four years ago, he's not what the team anymore but he was trying he's you know wealthy guy plays in the NBA you're trying to go buy some jewelry at a high end store and they wouldn't bus him in because he didn't look like a guy who could afford high end jewelry but and then also there are bucks players who played with Taba tablets alosha WHO's the Guy. was with the next and got beaten by police and got his leg broken a couple years goes. This isn't Jessica and his career ended right like He. He didn't play any more to that I I'm not I can't I. I'm not sure. But I haven't heard the name in a broadcast for while that tracks but he is also suing my pediatric undergoes box who were his teammates time so They might. Again I'm saying this might not be strategic it might not have been a protest moved there might have been to fucking pissed to play. It might have been like. Screw this man like they did Kyle Kid just killed two people to protest no accountability in the police there. Just like I don't WanNa play I WANNA make a big statement. I. WanNa call the Attorney General and fucking yell at him which is what it. And people like what did accomplish will Landau magic owned by Betsy Devos's family devolve family had to come out support. Magic also not playing. Yeah. Yes. I mean like you said, it brought way more attention than they would have by just continuing to play the games with the messages on their jerseys and all the which is also great but it definitely was effective in that way and people were like well, what are they? What are they want to have? What are the NBA owners supposed to do? You know like Shit like that but you're talking about? Billionaires get. In this country, you start taking money out of billionaires pockets. And Shit will happen like undeniably. We all we live in fucking plutocracy the billionaires are the ones who control everything and you start taking away. Their nut and. That's how shit actually have. Now, we can effect change in other ways too but I'm saying, I, don't know how you could even make the argument that something like that wouldn't be effective. But I. also I'm saying I'M NOT GONNA hate on any player or anybody involved NBA. Who feels the other way about it would? You know what I was saying earlier like. At the idea that we can. We've got all the is on us. Now for doing what we did now, we can use that to continue. The conversation and whatnot as opposed to just just going away like if they just went away, it would be talked about. For the next little bit for sure. But Act guarantee you would not be talked about in. Mainstream. Media four the amount of time that the playoffs will going for I mean, I think there's something to be said for that argument to, but I think that what they did is. Commendable and. I'm all for it for sure they. Did Not, get to deep into like. NBA Player Finances and financing risk a lot of money and livelihoods and lawyers guys aren't rich like Lebron is. The has his own wealth inequality something like. Forty million a year and it's ten percent of his income and other guys are on like eight hundred, grand a year contracts, and if you play half the year and you take off fifteen percents, the top and have to maintain to residences and you're GONNA be in the League three years and you've got to try and stretch it out, live on the rest your life where you also go try to get jobs on cars or it's a big difference in their life and they they they. I'm not saying they're going to be poor, but they live live closer to you know to the check the check than we imagine they do a lot of them. Yeah. Right, and also like you know they're like, that's a lot of people have this idea of shut up and dribble or whatever like they're just there to be entertaining and whatnot but with the billions of dollars involved like and also all all the kids that look up to pro athletes and stuff like these guys not just an MBA but just professional athletes, they have a huge amount of influence you know and a massive. Platform like undeniably and. People WanNa tell him to shut the fuck up and do their thing. But you know this true for a lot of conservatives read next to you you. You take sports completely away. For these issues for a long enough amount of time. and. I guarantee you change change in people's minds. There's a quote that become a famous on on the Internet and I can't I can't remember the source of it. I just see it parodied a lot which angry with. Sports are the reward for a functioning society. The Bay is a major league baseball player that said, but I Like sound like Kobe Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. But that's you know that's fucking spot on my opinion Mike. You Want You want to be able to sit back and eat your peanuts enjoy fucking gladiators shit then. Everything else needs to be in place for that to. Happen. Yeah. Yeah. I just I was trying to look at four half found but you WANNA like one thing they accomplished. So the rockets owner is a big trump supporter name's tillman for data. Is a funny because he's like one of those flop sweat half brokerage news, WHO's likely finances or teetering You Know Teetering Pyramid but also family made their money being in a Houston Mafia. So there's that. But he he was forced to in trump's that his dumb shit about the NBA Today and he'd come out in view this guy who's on CNBC basically every day talk about like Landry steakhouse and a bunch of restaurants shed bogus shrimp factory and all that stuff so like he had to come out and. was quote he is cast rebuke says you know the human beings and they have the right to do whatever they want to do, and we're partners in this and they choose not play. That's their right. Okay. Earth them financially and hurt US financially and it hurts them all the other ways and hurts us all the other ways and that's just the way it is. So I try to think of it as all g no, and so basically. was cast a rebuke of prompt who he's at the West like you know pretty regularly. Yeah but but again, you know just having said all of that. I'm thrilled almost selfish personal that the playoffs will continue because said Tuesday, they had been hidden. I'm all for them like Voltaire. Let's say. Basketball. Let's see what you guys are saying over here. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah the atlas. While I'm waiting on some of these come through. Some I saw earlier apparently Nancy Pelosi said in a press conference in her opinion Joe Biden should refuse to debate. Donald Trump. Because she said that. Joe Biden shouldn't legitimize his. Bullshit shoots I bullshit. I would not legitimize conversation with him. And you feel about this. But I go I go back and forth on the idea that I don't think like other you're talking about like strategy or whatever sure Biden things are going great for Biden right now as far as the numbers and all that go so like you might not need it or whatever but the other part of me is like Dude. If you can't. Fuck him like He. Look how he talks. About things and the way he argues lag just I feel like if I was and Joe Biden's shoes, I'd be chomping at the bit type that motherfucker down me personally. Yeah I mean I guess the the the the. I don't even know what debates do anymore. I mean everybody thought Hillary smashed him at all three debates in two thousand, sixteen, you win the election so I don't willing. suede album I don't know if anybody's persuadable. But that stuff anymore if the ethics against matter more than the substance and So the risk is Biden says something stupid or he has one of his son Dhani moments and. flubs a bunch of stuff with strategically. It bothers me way more doesn't have a single field up question no one's doing any door knocking. He's doing the same thing. Hillary did with no operational -SCONSIN or whatever. Some comments for look here this one's from Youtube. You could tell by the nine they're fourteen zero zero says come on. No one likes Nancy Pelosi if her. I've heard keeps being. If I'm sure. He keeps being basement Biden he will lose by a landslide I just don't like. It just doesn't seem. To be the case for me like. Tam Alex says punchbag and APP again. On a personal. I, agree with that but if you're talking about strategy. Argue with. The way it's going so far like if he's going to bury himself in, continue to do subtle then fucking let him do it. By the way, he's doing a ton of media appearances and he's doing a lot. He's doing you know online speeches. Abused every outlet will talk to him but he's not like. Does basically thing is like he's not doing rallies but. You want to seventy seven year old guy traveling around a lot in the middle of a pandemic. If he hasn't ended up on a ventilator that's. GonNa help. Yeah. Cyber s the. Guardian of the river of health. Regarding the interest of hell three, hundred, three handed out the three headed dog. Guards, Heidi's down. There says, the guy who wants to debate knows he's losing. is about. Pelosi saying this about Biden and not seeing Biden out here calling for the debates or whatever. But. On that note. Lead to what I'm saying I feel like if you get to a point where trump is like calling you out for refusing to. Would fucking do you gotta do it like he? Like was other people were commenting like I. Don't trust Biden's capability these or whatever but dude like he. I mean you're right about what you said Mark. I also agree and twenty, six, nine I thought I thought Hillary Clinton dusted his ass and every debate but it didn't representative that well, the police. All the reviews were like the one was the famous Chuck Todd saying she seemed to prepare whatever that was that was like going criticism of the polling shows like seventy thirty when every debate, it didn't matter anyone he just didn't matter and it probably won't matter but I just I don't know it's like I was like the fucking redneck and may or something. Or. You know like as basically insinuating that you're a coward for not biting him or something like now you can have that go out there and. Services Ready to dynamic as old as time if you Lisa upstate no. Moved needles at all and no. Of We're signer now and I and I do agree with you mark that it. It, they probably won't unless one of these old old fuckers, Pisa Paths or waters off stage illiterate collapses I don't think does anything. But. The good. What services they that the person who's losing wants more debates. There are two separate, West? Wing. plotline about this, there's a go back to two thousand sixteen where Bernie went attend debates and Hillary wide to when they did three or four or whatever it's. It's always that amick. Yeah Roger. Thompson says I think Pelosi was just cornering slash goading trump to show up. I mean I. You know I could see that too. He certainly hates Pelosi and. It's funny because 'cause I'm sitting here saying, let them Talk Shit obviously trump at a lot of that in him to. Where you know anybody says anything remotely negative Adamy takes extremely personally so. On twitter he's a coward face to face. Right. Yup. TAMMI Smith rebuking from. Smith I. Love to close. A male huge fan but I like you taming. Karen. Kay says I can just imagine joe shaking his head saying what the hell are you talking about man? More, two hours. You can't argue with stupid I'll. But you know you can try Susan Car Mama. Will kick lot people were talking about the vice presidential debates and we brought them up on here before. That you know and I. said this last time too but. I would like to see that but also I my vince. is He allowed to debate a woman alone on stage like well, his wife allow that does his faith allow that to happen you know I guess. We'll see. Best say here. Lisa Parker. The best option for a debate is for Biden to pick three points ignore any questions, pilot style and On though. Yeah, that's basically what the the all the all the question pivots with germ. How they're they're judge how artfully they do that, which is the bullshit part of the process and they'd be like Oh it's great performance answering questions. It's very it's great for democracy right but again, like you said they, they do they all do that. That's one of the things infuriates me the most about politicians is that they have that that inclination to destroy it up, ignore the actual question and say whatever the hell they were going to say. Do Do I'll do it right. Ask Ask me a question like I'm a presidential candidate dry. More what do you think about? The situation with the border and immigration the feel that it really is a problem with his bank pudding cages or is this I? Think I feel like? I I of course, disagree with the President and about putting kids in cages but I talked to the mortgage with healthcare train. That's why I want to talk about my health care plan. Yeah. Here's three. You got it. Paul covered says Biden is doing fine. Just let trump talk and again I mean I think I think there's a Lotta validity to that argument as well. I just don't think. Again just on a like. Not a personal level but I don't know like. I don't like I don't like looking. I don't like appearing is if you are afraid to debate fucking Donald Trump me personally but I don't think it's afraid it's a someone who looks bad the the guy who's thirstiest shit chasing around begging you to debate him. As we have one of our other commenters not forgotten forgotten the name, but they said the person begging for debate is the person who's losing. A three headed hell hounds. Yeah. Apparently, I'll be honest. I. Guess. I missed this in the new cycle we're and a lot of comments about about this. Mary Frailey said I'm calling for drug tests yes. But do it fairly and let them know when it's coming. So trump trump brought up. He said that Joe Biden should be drug tested before debate or something. That's what a lot of people are saying over here. Do you know about the that either but I just as a general note. Fuck ran around tash show I ended drug test the debate. Out. Guy What does he think he's gone right? I. Don't. Yeah. Trump's with the river speed addiction. People know that bit trump's. Pretty well documented to be a speed at it. Yeah I don't. I don't know it's like that thing with the fucking cognitive test or whatever you know we're we're trump aced it when like anyone could ask who does not have Alzheimer's and then was demanding that Joe Biden Joe Madden Joe Biden wouldn't dignify that he would. You know he's he laughed it off every time and he should have laughed it off and that's how I would look at this situation to up my problem with trump isn't a European cold medicine crystal meth substitute might. If it was hoping, it was keeping awake twenty four seven to be a good president instead of the life Tweeden toilet for him I wouldn't give a shit. So like I I don't care about his drug problem. It's like baseball man hit more home they don't care. Up Let's end on the. Jets John. Gonzales says you to suck on my own. You get out of here buddy. We're we're getting out here to. Thank you for us another. Dose of. Thank you for joining us another edition of Evening Ski. Nick here's a say, the dumb ass. Bath.

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