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August 19th: HR 2 Bob Schaffer | Head Master of Liberty Common Schools joins John Clarke
"This is morning with Kale Northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI. We're sitting here at seven, hundred, eight in the morning. So glad to have you with us right here in northern Colorado voice thirteen, ten KFI. John Clark sitting in jail this morning as she's taken, what we call one of her deserve days off and she certainly does deserve appreciate all gale does here I love listening to her every morning. Would recommend you do that too. If you'd like to check in with us, you're welcome to do that three, five, three, thirteen, ten, nine, seven, zero, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, hundred, thirteen, ten, it can't hardly dial so. Yeah it's easy. Give us a call. We'd love to hear from you I was talking before we went to the top of the hour about fracking in how Camera Harris, whose so opposed to fracking she wants to ban it. There are a lot of people out there who want to ban fracking however to do so would be. Economic suicide for the US we have become. Energy independent in this country so that we don't have to worry about what happens as much in the Middle East we are able to generate and and produce. Is a better word in this country, oil and gas. Believe it or not with their alternative things are fine. Wind is good. Solar is good. But the fact is we don't have enough capacity in that yet to go totally to those alternative sources keep working on it. I'm all for it but on the other hand we need to realize there's still a need ever. I'm I'm still not sure how. Could figure out how to get solar power or even wind power to fly an airplane that that's just not in my at the moment maybe some day maybe it'll happen stranger things. But on the other hand, we need to have gas and oil it is vital to the economy well, county and certainly the economy Colorado to go around fracking in obtaining. Gas and oil. It would be economic suicide to do what she says and what I've just been talking about Let me give you an example of some of the things that happened in this area. There's this Nyabera shale down there and it's usually a mile seven thousand feet I don't know I'm no geologist but I know it's way down there. And we drill into that shale layer and then after going down vertically, they turn than I don't how how they do this but they turned the drill so that it's drilling horizontally and they'll horizontal drill out maybe even a couple miles from the main hole in once I get this thing drilled they will then pump under high pressure water. And they'll have sand and just a little bit of some special things like wetting agents that just help it make the rock fracture better and under high pressure literally fracture the Rock. The, sand goes up into those little fractures in it's permeable so that the oil that's contained within nets that. Layer layer of shale begins to to perk out and it could be pumped in sometimes it's oil and sometimes it's natural gas but it comes back up and we've got it and we can use it. That's an oversimplification and believe me I'm not an expert on fracking, but that's Kinda the way it works. The one wrap it gets is that it takes a lot of water. Well. Let's put that in perspective the use the number, the opponents of fracking say it takes four and a half million gallons of water to Frankel. Well, well, maybe that's true but I did some math and I found out that if you want to grow corn in this country especially right now in here's no rain. You probably need about. That much water to grow five acres accord, and you can grow the corn for a season without much water four and a half million gallons. That's how much you need to put on to land here. In this arid place, we live to get it to be green and to grow a crop I'm not I don't WanNa be little the idea of growing corn I'm not I'm just trying to show you the difference in the use of that water for something or something else in this case fracking that'll generate millions of dollars, worth of product in oil or gas or five acres of corn. In I don't know the corn market that well but. Believe me. There's no comparison whatsoever in the economic value that I'm I'm not rapping using water to grow corn. Understand. Not I'm just trying to put this idea of what it takes to Franco well into perspective for you. So you can see there is value there's a lot of value in being able to do that. Well as as I'm I'm kind of thinking about. Where we're going with fracking oh. Oh, the other rap the rap is, will they put this secret stuff in there and they won't tell us what it is. Yes they do. There's a website you can go to the tells you what people put in the the company's put into their fracking fluid and about at one half of one percent of the of the fluid is it contains some some chemicals. who I call it wedding agent that makes the rocks, the per and makes it a little more efficient but they listed. and. You can see what's in there. But here here's the other thing. The opponents will say, well, but that's not specific. What's in there? Okay. If I tell you that I'm taking Ibuprofen, does it matter to you of it's advil or not? But. The people who make advil will tell you. There's something about their ibuprofen. That's better than the generic brands you buy for a third of the price. Well, these energy companies have their own little formula for this stuff, they will put the generic. Title of whatever they're using but then they may have a little thing like advil where they think it's better and that's proprietary. That's something that is their secret their information and they see they ought to be able to keep that private. It's their business, but you still know generally what's going in there is making sense. So come on, let's let's keep fracking. You know the worst part about fracking. Is the name nobody wants to get F-. Racked nobody wants somebody they love to get FRAC. It's an it's an ugly word. Let's think of this in terms of what it really is it's advanced technological extraction. Okay. And and even get battle-scarred Galactica they use it as a cuss word fracking so. It's just own worst enemy just its name, but it's not that big a deal it's it's and it makes us so much more energy independent in this country and heaven knows we need to do that. We need to have that energy and still develop alternative forms. But for now, we've got a lot of gas and we've got some oil and let's just use it. Generating Electricity by the way, natural gas is pretty good way to do it. Well we got more for you here real soon, we're GONNA talk to Bob Schaffer after the bottom of the hour he's the master at Liberty Common. He's got some. things he wants to say about an editorial that ran in the Colorado and recently written by one of his ex students will do that for you real soon right here on northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten, Kfi am John Clark in jail here mornings with Kale weekdays six to nine and northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten KFI K.. Cut Your Colorado. Rockies later today and northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten. K. K.. Seven twenty two hundred great morning here in northern Colorado, F-. Clark sitting in for Gail glad to have you with us we're in the auto collision specialists studios right here. Northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI gay in a little while after the bottom of the hour, we're going to have Bob Schaffer. He's the headmaster of Liberty Liberty Common Schools When I say schools, they have to they have a For Big Kids, a little kids well and enter an elementary school in a middle high and middle and high school, two different buildings but the same. Responsibility. For Bob Schaffer is the headmaster One of their former students wrote an opinion piece for the Colorado in that I picked up. It was kind of critical of Liberty Commons. Plan to go ahead and reopen with all students in the building. And I have listened to what Bob Schaffer had planned. Gale has interviewed him here in it seemed to me as I listened to it that it was a good plan one that would bring kids and teachers back within contact but not contact it would be necessarily injuries to their health because of the virus I've got some skin in this game in the well. That's an expression, but I have a granddaughter who goes to Liberty. Common and I am thrilled that this granddaughter can be in that School Bob has done an awesome job. I, first of all way back in the olden days when he was a state senator along with a guy named Bill Owens, they even allowed the idea of charter schools to exist by getting legislation passed in. Colorado Bob. Went on to represent us in this area when when all of this area in northern Colorado is in the fourth congressional, he served in Congress for three terms. Bob Schaffer made a commitment that he would only stay there three times any wooden run again. People were on his on his case, turn to get him to run again because he was such an excellent excellent representative. He stuck to his guns and he said, no, I made a commitment and I'm gonNA stick to it. This is a man of great principal and character and I don't believe he's going to do something that would put these kids in danger but this little. Piece that was in the Colorado in Does that he he he she mary Clare spurgeon is named. she says not only is this a blatant violation of governor policies statewide mask order it's in total disregard for the best public health practices. Well is it's at re and then she goes on to say research has shown that Covid nineteen is airborne and thus transmission could easily occur between students sitting at the same desk even at different times. Well we we have learned that there's kind of a space requirement. We call it a social distance and that has a lot to do with how safe you are. He has gone to the trouble and you'll have him explain it to you because I'm just gonNA to kind of mention it to to build little. Fibre what the FIBERGLASS PLEXIGLASS Containers around the desks and things they've kept the kids apart they're gonNa, and then this this editorial goes on to say crowded passing periods. I don't think the passing periods are going to be what this young lady experienced when she went there I think it's going to be highly regulated and very carefully monitored to make sure that a lot of kids aren't in the hallways but what bobby explain it to you. this young lady has gone on to become a current college student. and. She does emphathize with liberties argument that learning occurs best when students are physically on site together. And she doesn't envy the administrators teachers but right now we have a mix of schools even here in. Weld, county and across the state for that matter of. Organizations School organizations school boards independently elected who are saying, okay we're GONNA go ahead and have face to face teaching, but we're GONNA. Put in discard that guard the guard and so on to try and protect these kids good other places are saying Nah, we're going to be a little more cautious we're gonNA do virtual learning and put everybody on his unscreened I don't think learning is occurring very well that way just my opinion. I have a son who will have two sons who teach one is teaching in an environment where he will be face to face with his students right off the factor audience school The other son is in an environment in a different school system where they are gonNA go at least until the middle of October with virtual learning. we'll see how that works out I'm not afraid for either of them. I think that their school districts are being careful was a much smaller school district and the other was a little larger school district so that may have something to do with it. I don't want to tell you the schools because it would just get me in trouble. They would say, Dad, I can't believe you talked about that. Well, I did. But it just no one's in little smaller school district in a bigger when. One is doing face to face and one is not. Leave it there but we'll see how that all works out but I'm not worried for either of it and I know that little sweet granddaughter who goes to Liberty Is there that she's she's not going to be put in a position that's GonNa read a compromise or health I'm I'm just I'm just not as worried about as should be but but we'll have bob here in just a little bit after we hit the bottom of the hour. And he can kind of address I'm sure he's read this because when I asked him if he would like to come on and talk about it this morning, the response came back in about ten seconds absolutely. So we will hear his side of this and and I think there is a side to be made. I don't know where this this young lady who wrote, this gets all our information, but I can see that One of her statements is just very, very strange. She said even with safety measures in place, just one case would be devastating. And it's not. It's not just not worth it to risk that devastation. What does she mean? Somebody would get sick or somebody would die because very few people who get this disease. Die. Very few. Kid sadly is pretty. Serious problem if you have other things to compromise your health to start with but there are that many people dying of it in relation to the number of people who? Are, in are in the world. Yeah. But. But this this is just to me hyperbole over the top on they say. Devastating. Devastation yeah. That's a little over the top and I can see why Bob is concerned about. We're all experiencing something here folks that we've never seen before me nominal man it will I'm not as old as some people. But I'm I'm a senior citizen. Let's put it that way and I'm I. I've never seen anything even comes close to this. I don't I don't know if. I guess maybe in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighteen, a lot of people die from the Spanish flu. But we didn't have medical we're we're ready for this. Do you know there are two hundred hospital beds out of the ranch in lumber county that are ready if they're needed could move people in there today? And they've got another eight hundred. They could build real fast if you need them, the materials are already on site. But we haven't used those things well, Anyway Bob Schaffer will be here and he'll he'll help enlighten us even more right here on thirteen ten cafe de Northern Colorado's voice I'm John Clark in for Gail why all sports story in northern Colorado state in the country tune into the hall show weekdays noon to two and thirteen ten KFI K. Catch me Dan Patrick in the DANETTES weekdays nine to noon on thirteen ten Kfi am. About this. Yeah. This is a good one and here we sit seven, thirty seven. That's an airplane in the morning John Clark sitting in jail today. Glad to have you with us right here from the auto collision specialist studios at Northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten Kfi with any kind of Luck Ryan, we've got Bob Schaffer on the line. Oh, good Bob Good Morning. Good morning how are you doing today doing fine I've been kind of perusing this. Opinion piece that you may WanNa comment on a matter of fact I'm sure you do. This was written by one of your alums. Clare. Mary clerk spurgeon who wrote this to the Colorado and Well she kinda Ding Gelo bit there. Bob About what you're doing as I mentioned earlier in the broadcast I got skin in the game I've got a granddaughter one of your schools and and not worried about her in the least. But but maybe I'll bet you've read this piece. Yeah of course Yeah I look I'm I'm encouraged to see alumni weighing in in the public square and formulating opinions and sharing them with others. This one was well written but I short on short on a number of facts and some background. So. Wrong. Okay. Well, maybe you could address. because. She's concerned that the passing periods between classes are going to be terrible way to. Do. Things, and tell us what you're doing. Yeah well, she's not aware of and maybe a lot of others who have. Formulated opinions as they there's been pretty tight. Working Relationship and cooperation we're in Larimer county here at Liberty Common School, and so the Larimer County Health Department has been in touch with with us and and other schools At least once a week throughout the summer and often twice per week just on helping us. Do the kinds of things we need to do in order to get to school opened gets kids back in school because that's a that's a really high priority and so she she just assuming that the passing periods in the hallways are GonNa be just like they always are, and that's just not true. We we've in fact extended the school day and the hallways are one direction now rather than Just. For wide, open us to get where everybody wants to go. So that that that student traffic itself is getting managed and in a way that is going to Allow kids to maintain safer distances and being hallways for shorter periods of time. Remember you did some things within the classrooms that are pretty significant. Yeah. We've. We've put masks That are the size of your desk they wrap around the whole desk and shield student in polycarbonate You know it's clear material plexiglass think of that and So there's there are these. Large shields that and pretty much encompass almost two hundred, seventy degrees a student, and so those are around every desk and Then the air filtration system is has been retrofitted with some Really remarkable technology and equipment which filters out covid as it circulates air circulates through the system. If there's any covert particles, ninety four percent of them to the extent that they are there well be We'll be trapped in that system. It's the same that the same kind of system that hospitals use it's a bipolar ionization System that I is is and then a per and gives gives a positive and negative charges to air particles and or particles that are floating in air and They it. Become little particles become big pook. Yes. Little particles become big particles and then and then they that and then there's a filtration system that is a companion part of it that filters in it has a very strong effect, very positive effect and where where it's been used it's been used for for years but it's typically in medical facilities. Now it's being used more and just places where you've got large congregations of of people the and then the sanitation processes that were employing our state of the art and everything from. The chemical compounds in sprays and and cleaners that have been proven effective as well as utilization of ultraviolet light to. Kill these viruses. And and that's that's if they even get into the school. So the precautions we're taking to. Working with the county with local health health community to minimize a reduce the occurrence of virus even getting in the front door is the first line of defense. So there's a lot of things going on that that are are Alumna. which is not aware of when she formulated a and irrational opinion about whether schools should open or any school for that matter. No one of the things that I think is important maybe to keep in mind is. What I've heard. Is that face to face communication between a teacher and a student is pretty vital to a quality education. Well. This is the yeah. So it's interesting. We start the conversation out talking about health risks but the we're balancing and weighing risk all the time as as humans there's there's no way to. For example, was it safe for you to go to the studio today? The answer? No, it's not. It's not safe they the answer is it's really tiddly safe. Relatively. For example, I was just being on the road. There's vehicles that are the size of your vehicle that are going opposite direction. Well, there is a risk associated with that that assumes both drivers and control their vehicles in the vehicles are in good working condition that you know that they're not gonNA Clyde. Yeah but there's but there's but there's a risk that it could happen. So you can't. You can't make a drive to work risk-free nor can you ever make it going anywhere and in the community or society risk free? So we've got staircases in school. We've got You know all kinds of things that could go wrong. But it's we balanced us, and so it is it is relatively safe to send your kid to school. So we talk about all of all of that and we understand risk and. Risk tolerances. Some families have more than others depending on situations they may have at home, and fortunately at our school, nobody's forced to do anything you can go to school if you want you can. Capitalize on our online virtual portal into classrooms. If you WANNA, teach kit from home or you can go somewhere else. That's an option in our school district as well. So the the bigger risk in my estimation is what we all know that is kids need to learn, and if they're not learning, there is a lifelong risk that is very difficult to recover from and Now that that is a risk that cannot be balanced well that when kids are not learning well and they the researches welding the. Face to face. In classroom. Instruction from professional classroom instructor is gives children the greatest advantage academic advantage in terms of acquisition of knowledge and a permanent meaningful and useful way As as they grow and mature, and you only get to do you know there's certain lessons and and Classroom tactics that are appropriate for kids. In certain grades, you only get to do the second grade once you don't Eats you know if you miss if you missed that interval your end up missing a lot and yeah, you may be able to recover. But the time you're devoting to recovering an academic gap are learning gap is time your lost opportunity it's time you're not advancing at the grade level or at the knowledge level of knowledge that you should have as a student at at a certain age, and that's true for all children everywhere on the planet I know they're online options that exists but you know schools that are designed to be online are they're designed differently and they are they are they. Their systems are more perfected to online learning but. A brick and mortar school and trying to. Use An online a classroom lesson, and just put it on a screen is It it can work there is education taking place, but it is not optimal and You know I I like every parent grandparent I am too. I want my grandkids and my kids to have the optimal learning experience when they are spending their time in school something sub-standard is expensive and is high risk. Well Bob I appreciate you being with us this morning because as I read this article, I found several holes in it myself and It's it's sweet little girl wrote it. But on the other hand I don't think he's right and I'm glad that you had a chance to come on kind of clear some of these things up for us because. I appreciate what you do and I know that you run one of the best school systems there is period. So Bob Schaffer and thank you for your time. Yeah folks I'll tell you this is a man who's done a heck of job with education and. I wish everybody everywhere had figured out how to do that. Anyway. GotTa get onto some other things here. Take a breath right here. How Northern Colorado's Voice Thirteenth in? John Clarkin for Gail. A party a northern. Colorado's forex thirteen. Ten KFI K.. The Block party. Wednesdays from four to ten PM. Tune into the hall show at noon and Noko now at four back to mornings with Gail and northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI. Fifty one. John Clark here with you love something. We'll PAPA LOVES MAMBO LOOK. Anyway, this is good stuff and we're so glad to have you with us. It's John Clark Gaels Getting Day off today and so happy to be with you. If you'd like to check in, we'd love to hear from me three, five, three, thirteen, ten. We've got some of the things we need to talk about. Have you been listening carefully or maybe heaven? But There's a flap going on at the post office. The Post Office is losing money and they're trying to just some things there and they're worried about the fact that a lot of this election in November maybe even all of it is going to be a male in tight ballot, and if the post office isn't doing well, then we'll have problems. With. Getting the ballots in in time and the postmaster said well, maybe we won't you see. This whole conversation is going and it's important because it's got to do with an election that really is going to make some decisions about. Where this country goes in the future major major decisions. Heo, see the brain trust of the Democrat Party from where she from Brooklyn or wherever she has a real plan to help the post office she thinks we need to buy more stamps. So if liberal progressive people, that's her suggestion would have pels the that they could buy a lot of stamps and then they would be mailing things back and forth and the post office would have more revenue. I'm not sure the pimple program is going to really solve the problem you lady but what the heck you're congresswoman so you can you can suggest whatever you want but. What we have in Colorado is a male system that's been around a while we've been mayland our ballots back, and by the way I never have made my ballot back for me I personally on election day I don't do this two weeks before nothin on election day I. Vote Things can change before election day I drive to the county courthouse and I go through their little drive through they have arranged their it's real simple I, hand my ballot. There are two people there who take my ballot and put it in the box they give me the little noted sticker for my lapel or my shirt or whatever. And and sometimes I take my wife and she hands in her stu you know sometimes I even take my wife's in for her oh Well. It's near the postman. I mean what? The heck it's all filled out. She signed it sealed it. I I usually know how she votes but not always it's up to her right. Pretty much yeah. And she doesn't tell me how to vote either but we we well, actually we discuss it because you need to discuss and you need to contemplate how you're gonNA vote. Unless you. Just vote a straight Republican ticket. That's my plan. But I have to think about that Yeah. Do I really WanNa do that oh? Yeah I do. Okay. Then that's what I do video. I WANNA come back and and talk to you about some of the issues with the post office and how this whole thing. how some how some concerns and their valid concerns in a lot of ways. But what we know here in Colorado could actually help to get us through this whole thing. Well How it got time right now. But I will real soon right here on northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten Kfi am I'm John Clark in Forgo Cone now. Weekdays at four northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten KFI. The day's headlines Podcasts a mornings with Gail and more and schedule about coming sports broadcast. Find them at thirteen ten KFI. Here, we are still with us. You can hit the road he keep your over your. Seven fifty seven in in your morning John Clark steady gale. Glad to have you with us. I'll I'll get started with this but believe me I'm going to get cranked up and we'll have to go over the top of the hour this but I wanna talk to you about what's happening with the Post. Office? Postmaster General is talking about some cuts. And that. Got Everybody upset. Collar need wrote the story in the trip today in fact, in it has to do with the controversy around the federal government's recent handling in the United Postal Service. Let's see. Now, here's the bottom line in this whole thing, the United States Postal Service. Is Losing money in debt. To that I can say, Duh. It's been that way forever. These people have never made money. They've never even broke even they've never covered their costs. So it's just getting to the point though and I appreciate the president trump wants to get this fixed. He thinks that they can do some things in the post office becoming more efficient, more cost effective, and therefore maybe not run up such huge debts. But in the meantime we've got an election and because of the virus, it seems like the good way to do that is going to be to have a mail in ballot across the country for us in Colorado. We say mail in ballot what we've been doing it for years. And we have and we've been doing it successfully I think for the most part Cardi, copy the well county clerk and recorder. She can tell you that she she's doing a good job. I know she is Angela Myers over in Lerma county she's does clerk and recorder. She's doing a good job. She can tell you where it's really really in I'm sure it does. But there are things that do here in Colorado that don't just give people a ballot and let them just Willy Nilly fill it out and put it in. Plain Brown. Envelope send it back. It's very specific. The way these ballots are handled both when they're sent out and when they're back in the clerk's office having been executed. Well, what do you do? You execute about that? You fill it out. The people voted Okay and I want to go into that with you and and kind of talk about some of the safeguards that I believe we have here in Colorado that keep us in pretty good shape. I'm pretty confident with our elections. I think are clerks do a good job I think the system seems to work pretty well but again, I never mailed a ballot. Trust my ballot to the US Postal Service you can me I take it to. Take it in and turn it in on election day. But I've already voted in. It's sealed right there and I'll tell you more about that as we get time this morning. But in the meantime I need to tell you that we are thirteen ten KFI in Greeley for Loveland it is eight o'clock. AB.
December 10th: Kimberly Winter and Mindy McCloughan
"Other colorado never stops neither do we. This is no co now presented by shanin agency. Here's tanner swims bo. You can feel the weather changing a little bit. Did you really think it was going to stay. Sixty degrees in colorado in december for that long. Welcome to the program live from the auto collision specialist studios. This is no co now presented by the j nine agencies. I'm tanner schwendt. Ryan kelly during the production work as always and Another vip guests strutted show here today. looking forward to this one. Doctor kimberly kimberly. Winter of newest physicians located in the highlands. Ranch will be joining us. We're gonna be talking about how to cope with everything that's going on especially during this holiday season you know for a lot of people. This could be the icing on the cake of emotional distress of how this year's gone and it's a lot to deal with and you know we're we talk about this quite a lot of this. Is everyone from kids in school. All the way to adults to almost everybody know has been affected by this mentally and otherwise talking about cove nineteen and the restrictions that have come from it. So we're gonna be talking with dr kimberly winter about what the steps are that You can do to make sure that you stay mentally healthy mentally strong over the holiday season. So we'll talk with her as well as how one of my one of my favorite guests bring on the program mandy. Mcluhan she is the president and ceo of the loveland chamber of commerce. She's been a very very busy woman and Excited to get her on the program to talk about what loveline doing and and the next steps and the program that they're trying to start to kind of unveil With getting their businesses back open excited talk with mainly she's been on the phone with With the state house a bunch and. I know that it's going to be a fun conversation. Of course i we all like we always do. Let's start with news four northern colorado Right off the bat. This has been the story. That's kind of been driving things today. Which is so funny to me. Because i don't understand the craze in-and-out abandons plans for college avenue drive-thru in fort collins. I can say that. I've never had in and out and ryan shaking his head back. They're saying it's not that good. I've heard from a lot of people that it's not that special so obviously working out of the colorado and by the way this is aaron you dell who is who wrote this piece here I didn't understand it. And maybe i have a biased against them because the day that they opened down in colorado springs or excuse me in aurora It was ridiculous. They was that same day that they opened was the same day that we got the announcement a lot of restaurants. Were having to shut back down and it really rubbed me the wrong way seeing a fourteen hour long ride through me. And i know it's not an ounce fault but i don't i don't understand the why there i don't believe that there's a meal on this earth that i would wait fourteen hours for. I don't know if there's much of anything that i would sit in my car and wait fourteen hours for for me to have to pay when i get there i. I don't understand it but that's always been me right. I'm not a big black friday shopper. I think that it's just nuts. Like i don't i'm not i'm all about that. No i'm not gonna sit there. I don't. I don't like people that much so i'm definitely not going to sit in. Wait that long. But they in and out Joint has it will no longer be happening in college. The the vice president of real estate and development carl arena said that they know that fort collins is a wonderful community and we're evaluating their arena added It was they had met back in october of two thousand nineteen. They were gonna go right off. College avenue and Not happening anymore. And city planners told the colorado on thursday that they hadn't heard from the company regarding the locations developed for a month or indicating. They were no longer working on the concept. So that's That is the The sad news for the day. I suppose a lot of people are are sad about that. I could not care less. I don't understand it again. But hey i'm sorry if you were looking forward to that in and out is not coming to college in fort collins any time soon or at least in the near near future they could become an years so as i believe because they are They're having a massive expansion into colorado. Wanted to be a part of the conversation. Why what's crazy about in and out. That's going to be a poll question. That'll be going up here. I want to know but feel free to chime in nine seven zero three five three thirteen ten nine seven zero three three thirteen ten or text. The kfi tech sign. Of course. it's a new tech sign. I mentioned it's nine zero. Four seven eight thirteen o one nine seven zero four seven eight thirteen zero one. All you have to do to subscribers. Kfi to that number. You're up you're ready to go. And now i'll be able to read your thoughts and get them out there for the people of northern colorado. One of the things that we talked about last week was the stimulus aid from colorado right and we were going through the pros and cons list of it. Are you ready for this. And i said that. I didn't i hate how many steps it took for businesses to get it to get the financial relief. They're saying that this won't likely arrive until february of twenty twenty one. I've got news for you. These businesses are not going to be around in february twenty. Twenty one if they don't get help before then some saying it be even more than that the bill again if you don't. We're working through peace of the tribune by dan. Mika the bill the bill earmarks about fifty seven million in total from the states general fund thirty-seven million for small businesses depending on how much revenue and made last year business could receive up to seven thousand dollars in grants but in february. Are you kidding me talking to the business owner just last night at a prominent business here in a prominent restaurant here in In greeley saying that if if it goes much past the started january. There's not much they can do. The revenue streams. Aren't there even with the patio seating even with that to go orders even with all of that. They're not making enough money. So that was the biggest con on my list talking about what the state was trying to pass in in in theory it looks great right but first of all. Now it's not first of all it's not gonna get here till february. That takes a lot of things now. Could that be a nice boost if things start open back at that point absolutely but it only goes out to twenty seven of sixty four counties. So you've got all this money that have the state isn't even eligible for. That's another issue with it so now in a year that has strapped businesses every single sort of business restaurants and breweries specifically. Right we'll talk about them a lot. But it's strapped every business. Now you have to be operating in the specific county that this works for now. You have to put in application and their application. He may or may not know if it was received For quite a while and then you have to wait until favor. The idea i get. Businesses need stimulus aid but not in february. They need it now because survival rate isn't going to be there. We've talked with kris van doreen about it on this program. Fifty percent businesses were have restaurants fifty percent of restaurants. They will close down in the next three months. The lockdown isn't lifted so saying. This is infuriating. I know for a lot of people. It's infuriating so so it's so confusing and it's so not what is needed right now. It's what is needed is a simple straight answer. Here's how to get the money. Here's when you're gonna get the money sent to you and here's how it works very disappointed to read that again. That was out of the greeley tribune financial aid For some businesses well. A lot of businesses not going to be happening until february at the earliest Let's stick with the tribune. We're working around news. Four northern colorado judge sentences man to sixty nine years in prison for jack hannele assault despite trevor. Read out of the greeley tribune and what is one of the most disturbing stories will go through this week. Weld district judge julie hoskins sentenced thornton resident. Michael gallup shaw. He's forty eight year old forty. You're forty eight years old to that. Those sixty nine years in prison following an october conviction on charges including attempted first degree murder first degree assault second degree assault second degree kidnapping and criminal mischief That was according to a news. Release from the weld county. The district attorney's office gal shah was also convicted of three counts of crime of violence violence charges. Which are sentencing enhancers to maximum. Sentence in the case was seventy years so this was a story that happened back in twenty eighteen in may of two thousand eighteen to be exact galaxy. And i'm working again working through the tribune here. They they didn't they do a nice job of reporting on these these crime cases. Gal sean drove frederick. Man's garage to confront him about a situation with gala. Shah's nephew who was present at the time of the incident cowlishaw shop in the victim with his car before using a jack handle to beat the victim on conscience according to the release he then stomped on the victim's head tried to run him over and left him for dead. He the quote from the well deputy. Da ashley fed kill said. The defendant made a series of conscious decisions that day. That nearly cost young man his life if his aim had been better or if the victim had not regained consciousness when he did he would have been facing a murder charge instead of attempted murder. The defendant tried to kill the victim over and over and over again that night then that callousness and violence coupled with the defense criminal history warranted a maximum sentence So again that is coming down. That came down. today That ruling did so. That's again one of the most one of the more heinous crimes that we've talked about and lucky lucky that the the man survived the The victim survived that encounter closing on four seventeen. Want to say thanks to practice physical therapy and sports medicine. They've got their new brighton. Branch open and rolling. They're ready for you. they also offer Physical and sports performance training down there in the brighton office. So you can go down there in athletes right now. I know it's kind of in between seasons. You don't wanna fall out of shave. Make sure you go down there and check it out. It's practical therapy and sports medicine. More online at proactive. Colorado dot com no presented by j nine agencies when we come back on the other side doctor kimberly winter of the new physicians located in highlands. Ranch joins us. Don't go near. It's no presented by the jeanine nine agencies northern cards voice thirteen ten. Kfi northern colorado's voice is thirteen ten kfi k. Tanner will be back after the break. It's party northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi the block party wednesdays from four ten pm on four twenty one on this thursday afternoon. Thanks for being with us i am. Tanner schwinn this is no co now presented by jeanine agencies. Been a rough here. There's no doubt about it. We've talked about the mental wellness effects. That have been caused by everything that went into the pandemic and the holiday season can be tough for people. The way you know in a normal year and this year is going to be even tougher joining us. Now is dr kimberly winter of newest physicians. Dr winter thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate your taking some time this afternoon. Well thank you very much for having me. Tanner let's dive right in. So you know how we wanna know. How can periods of heightened stress and anxiety impact our mental health mental and physical health. Which i know. A lot of people have been experiencing that heightened stress and anxiety seems like all year we definitely have. I think a lot of people realize that there is an effect on mental health for stress but stress. Also it can cause a lot of changes. In our physical health it can change caused changes in sleeping or eating. Patterns worsening of chronic health problems like diabetes or high blood pressure or weight problems. You know obviously it can worse than mental health problems and we are seeing increased use of tobacco and alcohol and other substances during this whole pandemic period right and was this something that was kind of expected. I know that the increased use of these different vices. It seems to be kind of common sense that those would go up but those increased uses of these substances also have health problems as well. Oh they definitely do. We know the tobacco use causes problems respiratory problems and lung issues and we know that in alcohol use can cause both physical problems and legal problems right. I think that's a great point. So you know this holiday season. I mentioned it you know. Holiday seasons can be stressful for a lot of different reasons than a normal you here but why what's going to be so unique and challenging about this holiday season. Can't you have it right. That every holiday season is really stressful and challenging. Because of all the different things we have going on you know the errands. The meals cooked the parties entertaining this year. There's just a whole lot more stress because now we're worrying about our loved ones and we're feeling stressed that we can't be with them. We can't the annual christmas party that we always do or we can't go to our work christmas party and all these things are just much more evident now this year because of the pandemic will in the stress of knowing what to do. And and how to do it safely if there are going to be immediate family gatherings so that can add onto that stress level as well. We continue our conversation. With dr kimberly winter of newest physicians located here in colorado at down at highlands ranch so with all that being said dr. How do we handle it. So i think it's really important and finding common ground with those are going to be around or those you would like to be around of alternative ways to get together or to celebrate together safely. You know there are other activities you can. Do you can host holiday meal virtually and you can have zoom meetings. And there's a lot of you know internet ways to play games together that and for the households that you know might have gone and done other things with other groups of people. This time you know staying together and finding things like board games was the last time we remembered all about board game right now. It's going to be there some traditional options for a non traditional year definitely. So let's let's keep talking about this. Because i know that a lot of people are worried about you know some loved ones About what what their health is going to be. And but how. Can you prioritize your health so you so that we don't get that the quote unquote holiday burnout. I think it's really important to try and realize one things are happening on. Stress is starting to build so that we don't reach a peak and then realize way we're way stressed out. You know kind of finding that being more in tune with ourselves and that okay. I am starting to feel a little bit stressed and realizing you're doing it and reaching out whether it's a family or friends or even online to a website or book group. Doing things like that can be really helpful and and taking care of our stress and being really good for our emotional wellbeing. Well i in one of the things to that. I think could be important is for people. Do try not sugar coated understand that this year is going to be different. And i think that's really key. Tanner this year is going to be different. So it's not gonna look like last year and it's not going to look like next year this year is going to be different and realize that from the start so that you can be more aware and in tune with both yourself and and maybe family members or if you know a neighbor next door who normally is with their family can't go just being reaching out to them it. You'd be surprised. What a a simple text or a quick phone call can do to help with not only your health you know as we reach out to other people it helps them but it also helps us right and people are so desperate for that interaction for having these conversations because a lot of people working from home haven't had those those phone calls and stuff like that. So how lucky are we that you know we can say in a pandemic reach out and we can do in safeway's absolutely right. We're talking again doctor. Kimberly winter newest physicians located in highlands ranch joining us on this thursday afternoon So what are some signs that we can recognize that someone should seek support for a mental health challenge. Not necessarily you know with the holiday season. We just talked about why we could see that popping up more during the holiday season. But what are some of those signs that we should be looking for. You know noticing if somebody around you or somebody in your you know facebook group or workgroup if they seem to be feeling sad or down or if. They're having trouble concentrating or if they know more mood. Changes is sometimes. You know definitely people don't always recognize those changes in themselves but a family member or coworker. A friend are sometimes the first people to pick up on those changes. And you know definitely we see with being more tired not wanting to get out of bed or even having trouble you know with again alcohol or drug use or even you know suicidal thinking. That's we face this with the holidays in general but this year i think it'll be even more important to be aware of that in ourselves and in our family and friends. So what are some ways that you talk about. Other you know other people can maybe recognize it beforehand. What are some ways that you would recommend individuals to be able to check themselves to make sure that they have a good gauge of where they are at mentally. I think being aware like okay. Am i using alcohol or smoking more cigarettes than i normally would. Am i sleeping a lot more or sleeping a lot less. Am i not getting off the couch very much. I think tuning into that. A little bit is really important so that you can reach out to somebody and you know maybe you don't want to reach out to your parents or your even to your spouse but knowing that there's other people you can reach out to friends families. There's you know eight hundred numbers where you can call and talk to people and just deal with that stress without committing yourself to anything. Well one of the things to know. We're getting off a little bit here. But this is something that i've always loved and i wanted to get your thoughts on it you know. It's to find a gauge. A lot of people How they handle traffic is kind of a good indicator about where they're at motion motioning emotionally and mentally so kind of trying to find that gauge of how. Or if you're in a good mood you know you can let the traffic over. You let the guy cut in if you're in a bad mood stressed out and then you have a potential snap a little bit more. So is that is that an effective way as well. I think that's a very good way. Because yes if you're one of those people who really that for you. Your gauges traffic. You will be able to tell man. Am i just more irritated. Every drive in the last four months or traffic that much worse. And if you can realize it and take a step back even you know. Take a deep breath in the moment when you get into the car. Then you're like okay. yeah. I need to practice a little bit of acceptance. This is the way this year is going to be going and this is. We're heading into the holidays whether we like it or not and just saying wait a minute. Let's step back. Take a deep breath and realize this is our reality right now and you said that that practice acceptance that that is easier said than done. So how do you recommend people start to go through that process. I think one thing that's really important is if you know you're in a bad mood and you're just driving in home before you go in the house. Take a deep breath before you open that door or think about one thing. You're grateful for right now. This holiday season. You know there are people who don't have homes don't have jobs are having a lot of food insecurity issues. If you tell yourself as you're walking in poi-. I'm really grateful. I have a car still. And i have a house to come home to. You can change that mindset just briefly that can reset your whole frame of mind well and i think this year on top of that it can be just those little little things to celebrate the little victories. Maybe a little bit more. Those little victories this year are even more important than ever. You know you got that last lawn mowing and before had to blow out the sprinklers. You've got the christmas lights hung before thanksgiving you know those this year. Those are big victories even though they seem like small ones doctor kimberly winter newest physicians located highlands ranch Doctor we appreciate your time with us as always and wanted to just throw out there. So i if somebody does Struggle with this or they know somebody that what's the what's the best way for them to handle a situation like this. You know sometimes people are just uncomfortable unloading on a family member a friend and i know that optum which is part of united healthcare. They actually offer a free hotline to anybody. Whether you have united healthcare or not that has trained caring professionals you can call one of them. Twenty four hours a day seven days a week at eight six six three four two six eight nine two and sometimes it's just amazing. What takes place when you just call somebody and they can bounce back ideas that they've heard from you. They're not related to you. And it's just a good sounding board then that's important for a lotta people That's all it takes. Is just having someone there doctor kimberly winter. Thank you so much for joining us. This afternoon i greatly appreciate all of your knowledge on this matter and we hope you have a fantastic holiday season. Stay safe and hopefully we'll talk very soon okay. That'd be perfect. Tanner happy holidays to you as well. Thank you dr. Kimberly winter newest physicians. It's a tough conversation. Mental health is a tough one. And this is especially when. I've been seeing a growing thing where you know mental health and the effects of of this pandemic. It hasn't been talked about enough. You know we we like to try and talk about it on this program as often as we can and get experts on to talk about it but it. It's it's a difficult conversation and it's difficult to deal with because there is not one universal answer for it. It's an illness right. And cova nineteen has amplified that for a lot of people and for some. It's who normally don't experience depression or anxiety. This is happening. And it's it's a learned learning curve of of how to handle it So we appreciate doctor kimberly. Winter of newest physicians joining us again. If you missed that conversation you want to go back our podcast. We'll be up after the program was a very insightful interview for thirty four now when we come but come back on the other side it will be many mcclellan. The president of the loveland chamber of commerce. She will be joining us to talk about what loveline got going on. It's nocona presented by the j nine agencies on northern cod voice. Thirteen ten kfi k. Let's get to the bottom of the hour. News and weather center. Dan patrick the whole show and colin cowherd or a northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi k absence of cracks. Time here on noko now presented by the jeanine agencies again. You heard making stock and our weather's going to be change in. And i feel like people doing a pretty good job of going out and supporting those luck local restaurants sitting on the balconies and sitting on the patios and well. It's been pretty easy. It's been sixty degrees. We just can't stop doing it even though it's going to be thirty. Eight degrees in snowing order that to go order. Make sure you go and buy a gift card all of that stuff. These local restaurants are needed this week. Joining us now. The president and ceo of the loveland chamber of commerce mindy mcluhan and many. Thank you so much for taking some time and joining me today. I know you've been a very very busy woman. Thanks for having man certainly excited to be here with you today. We'll let's let's get rolling here. You know i. I've been having a couple of conversations with morgan harrington with grimm brothers brew house. of course she came on my talk and kind of started to talk and explain this pact. And kinda how loveland is fighting forward to try and get their local businesses up Many we have had great conversations about this You've been quoted on show of saying if we can keep walmart open. We can dam sure. Keep local businesses open and we love it and we agree with that wholeheartedly. So let's start first with what loved ones attempting to do in finding a safe way to get local businesses back open. Well first of all. Just say how much i appreciate. Those businesses Standing firm and In their beliefs and what their rights are and as well as when we when we rolled out this discussion on a five star plan such as what mesa county has done We actually rallied the entire community business community together in conjunction with the chambers. The city's the county health department to actually develop a level up plan which is above Going above and beyond just the state model and we had some Focus groups with over two hundred businesses and got some great feedback great ideas. We just literally got off the phone a few minutes ago. With the governor's office proposing Putting our level up plan in front of them. The the governor's office complimented the team on our presentation and the amount of work It's been completed on our level up. Plan they also admitted how far in advance larimer county is above any other county right now in this process for the plan. I'm i'm encouraged by. What the governor has His office and staff as put forth with the cdph e and willing to work with us so as i understand it From our meeting a few minutes ago the state will be releasing a statewide business program framework tomorrow For all the counties to start looking at again we're already two weeks in advance ahead of that plan so we already have a lot in place so We're actually about to release a press release and just a few minutes to go out Throughout the region on the advancement of this program giddy with excitement right now. That's that's great news. And i know there's a long way still to go but what you guys have done what you were. You were ahead of the state. I mean you what you had in place. You're head of the state and that's a lot of kudos to you There's a lot of kudos. You mentioned the business owners And a lot of other moving parts but I guess a preliminary congratulations on being able to get the start. So what's next. Well first of all there are no promises we've not been guaranteed a promise in this from the state that's there there. There's an ownership there. Were there were willing to work with. They wanna see affect open. They just wanna do it in a safe and effective manner as do we So the first thing we would say right now is a call to action for our community for two things one The holidays are coming up. We don't want an increasing number in kobe number. So hang with your household. Let's let's do what we can't keep these numbers dan because the sooner we can get our numbers down the sooner we can get our economy. Open back We're gonna work our plan. as hard And as laser focus as we possibly can to get those businesses in the pipeline to get them certified as a level up Business and ready to go and open as quick as we get the green light from the governor. That's the first thing so tomorrow. We'll be Sending out a link to our businesses saying. Get in the pipeline. Now if you're if you're going to participate so one we can get a complete headcount of how many businesses are going to want to be certified and that way we can get a Total number of volunteers and people trying to help. Get them out into the field to certify those business because that was one thing the state came back and said they were worried about over-burdening our health department when they don't have a lot of capacity right now to be out in the field and with mesa's numbers when they started their program. They had about four hundred businesses in the program. We suspect all of laramie county. We're gonna have upwards to seven fifty to nine hundred businesses and we've got to get them certified and up and running within a a quick time frame as soon as we get that green light from the governor but it did mention you know to call to action right now. One is hang with your household. Let's let's all be respectful and kind of to one another and let's do our part to hold these numbers down and then secondly and this is As important as the first you know the first time around our hospital staff And frontline workers. This community rallied to encourage them. Doing parades i. There were people circling the hospitals praying. There was a number of things that were being done to encourage our healthcare Staff and frontline workers that hasn't seemed to be the case the second time around because we all let's face it. We all have covert fatigue. Right now Right now our first line. Frontline workers the staff healthcare. They need our encouragement. So whatever you can do rather. It's parades rather it. Sending notes of encouragement putting signs out Sending things to the hospitals for our staff please. I'm asking our community to come together to give those hospital staff to support and encouragement that they need. They're working extra shifts in need to remember those staff also have covid So they're having the staff that doesn't or having to pull extra shifts and they are completely worn out and we need to do what we can to encourage them. I think it's very very well said mcluhan president of the loveland chamber of commerce. So just a couple of follow up questions if i may here. You you mentioned. The the governor's green light is the did they indicate any sort of a time line For this process to start well. I wish they had you know. Tomorrow is not soon enough for me however We have a follow up meeting with them late next week. So we are hoping that from our conversation today. What we're able to modify in our plan and how fast we can move with Our community here locally with our businesses that after the eighteen. i'm. I'm hoping and praying that he gives us a green light at that time and we can get up and and mobile break quickly. Do you expect that restaurants in burris. Alike would be allowed indoor seating before christmas you know i have no way of promising that that is our goal for sure It will not be at full capacity. I can tell you that right now. but that is our goal to get them up and operational before christmas. Yes ma'am no i. i understand. There's no guarantees of twenty twenty s. Taught us anything. It's just a little bit of a reminder of that so how did this all start. How did this come about of saying okay. you know. Because and there's been frustrations about how specific counties have handled it weld county as Drawn backlash from some people about how the commissioners of handle this. There's there's is doesn't seem to be the perfect way to do this But i will say from that. I've heard my two cents is that loveland has come in and lumber county Has come as about as close as possible of doing that with this initiative. While here's the deal. We already had a task force in play and we were working very well as a region To have to pivot with everything that was coming out from the state as rapidly as it was coming out so again we already had that that framework there and mesa county had this plan out in the chambers are all very well connected so once we learned of that plan we instantly Grabbed it put our forces together and circle the wagons and said let's create a level up which is above and beyond what the state model Is gonna ask us and with over two hundred businesses again participating in that forum. They said we're willing to go above that So i think that went. A long way with the governor's office say our businesses or serious. There's accountability and their from peer to peer. Where we're willing to hold each other accountable for those safety measures. Put in place and we're really excited about it and We're actually leading the charge on this as a county. And i couldn't be more proud of the connections and the peers that we're working with as well as local businesses many. Have you gotten any sleep in the last couple of weeks. It's been very very very little. I will say that is what he's us all up at night. I am a blond. But i can tell you right now. My blonde has turned to white. Well the your hard work is paying off. And i just want to take a quick moment. I look my job here at camp k. I love what i do. Because i get a chance to talk to a lot of business owners and many. I ran into one who has had a bad thing to say about you and in that position. That's difficult to do. And so i wanna say From some of the people who may have not got a chance to tell you yet. They're thankful for the work that you're putting in as well so don't lose sight of that. Well thank you for that qudos. We i would encourage people to while you're out there You know shopping. Local give that encouragement. Those those kudos out there those businesses because oftentimes all they're hearing is whether or not doing right And we need to lift each other up today more than ever so. It's a good time to be here. Even if we're in a pandemic mini mcluhan president of the loveland chamber of commerce media. Is there anything else that we need to get out there Four folks if there's a business owner right now listening and they wanna get involved in this. What's the best way to go about it. you know. just reach out to us at loveland dot org Our numbers are are on the website. My emails on their give us a call We have a business advisory group Where we're connecting so feel free to reach out at any time we clone. Thank you so much for your time. We appreciate you joining us to today. Hang in their fight the good fight and anytime you need anything from kfi you let us know because we've got your back. Thanks for having me. You guys have a great night us. Well thank you so much. That is remained mcclellan president of the loveland chamber of commerce but i love tiger for for lotteries and i think what they're doing is is incredible and I think they're doing it the right way i really do. I'm not. I'm not bluffing. I'm not. I've got nothing to gain from talking Up like i was with many. And i don't do it very often but it's impressive. What they've done what they continue to do. And it's impr- you don't need to take that for me just thinking about. When's the last time that you've heard the governor's office making special meetings with specific counties about leading the way on something like this. It's incredible to see so Yes shout out to To the loved one chamber of commerce. And we've talked with the windsor chamber of commerce and michelle vance over. There is talking with a lot too and hopefully all of them in northern colorado orange and our finding and taking notes about what loveland is doing. Let's take a break. We'll come back on the other side. Wrap the show up to the headline the caught my eye right here on northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi here mornings with kale. Weekdays six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Israel just looks a little different this year. He looks like the people down it. Perry's back and so it's the nocona periods back in so holiday giveaway this year especially for Thirteen ten kfi listeners. Go down perry's and walk in and do your do your deal do what you normally do. Walk around when you go to the counter and before you leave make sure you stop and look for a sleigh in that slay. You read a little bit of a name. That's all you need. We need your name and a form of contact so that we can let you know that you win. He put it in the sleigh and you're automatically entered to win a health mate plus air purifier valued at over seven hundred dollars. If i said. Here's seven hundred dollars. All you have to do is put your name on this and put it in there. You've got a pretty good chance of winning. would you do it. Yeah of course he should with this to this this year. It seems like we've learned a lot one of those things that we've learned is that Air quality is important. Remember although hopefully people haven't forgotten the smoke the ash that we had to deal with where we were waking up coughing every morning. The air purifier is incredibly important with that viruses. Bacteria odors the it kills all of it. Go down a peres. At forty seventy five west tenth street in greeley fill out an entry slip and you could be walking away with that prize at the perez back in so nocona holiday give. Let's get the headline. The are in order for a couple of people here in northern colorado. I all first of all. Congratulations to steve smiley. The head basketball coach for the unc bears men's basketball team. He records his first win as a d. One coach as unc knocks off colorado christian eighty seven to sixty two last night. Also want to give a kudos than a shout. And congratulations to the new voice of the unc. Bears jason alvin. Jason had his first broadcast last night. In we're really happy to have him as part of the team and joining us. And so That's the headline. that caught. I congratulations gentlemen. Congratulations the unc. Basketball team. They'll be back at it tomorrow evening. Actually with With the game that for us thanks to minnie mcluhan that woman's go all the respect of the world for her go. Listen if your business you want to know how to support the podcast coming up on thirteen. Ten dot com special. Thanks to dr. Kimberly winner will be back at it. Tomorrow will be given meteorology updates. Well we won't. We'll be having Ha making tomorrow. So don't miss that Thirteen days thirteen teams level in highschool school edition coming your way with clark johnson in just a matter of minutes for ryan kelly. I'm tender schwinn. 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"Wake up it's time for mornings with jail and thirteen ten. Kfi all righty. Hey it's a great morning sitting here looking at six seven in your morning. He'd remind you that. This time check is sponsored by the candlelight dinner playhouse keeping the spirit of the holiday alive with winter wonder. it's now through january. Twenty four th visit colorado candlelight dot com for tickets and show information well as you may notice Gaels not here today. She took a day off totally appropriate. It's a holiday. john. Clark kerr with you. Glad to have you with us. If you'd like to check in with this morning we'd love to hear from you. Just give us a call. Nine seven zero three five three thirteen ten. What a weekend. There has been an awful lot going on. Have with me my friend this morning at hanes negga nobody hanes and hanes as an individual who possibly has a worst addiction to politics than i do. It is The two of us we just wallow in it it's amazing But i think he's worse off than i am but we'll let him explain that now. Ads background politics is. He has been the chairman of the colorado. Pardon me for not larimer county. I'll get this right larimer county republican party so that kind of tells you a little bit about his political background but even more importantly and this is something. I wanted to bring up with this morning. He has spent several years as an election. Judge alert county helping to operate the election there. And you've got some insight ed into things that happened in those events and i think a lot of people may have some concerns right now about the validity. The honesty integrity. Whatever of our election system. Tell tell tell me what you think so. I keep hearing have heard from election day until very recently people are still worried that there was corruption in the counting of the ballots in colorado because we use dominion software on our Election counting process. I i like you say. I've been in the counting process. I've seen the machines. I've attended to teleconferences with chairman. Buck and other county clerk's across colorado Validating and verifying their The accuracy of the dominion systems in colorado ad. Like to just give a couple appoints about that Much my friend. Chuck brahmin down in El paso county. He's the clerk down. There prepared eleven thousand ballots and ram them through every one of their counting machines in order to verify them in colorado. That's called the logic and accuracy test performed before a single ballot is actually run through those machines and they counted them exactly correctly. In every instance larimer county did it. A little differently A lot fewer ballots But came out with the same result that every ballot went in Came out accurately. There were ballots prepared by the by the democrat representative to the logic and accuracy tests and there was a republican representative. That did the same thing in our machines Talented accurate in this logic and accuracy. Test pre election post election. The state of colorado is the only state in the country that runs a risk limiting audit after the ballot and verifies the counts. The secretary of state selects a number of ballots That they want to see each of our machines scans and image of the ballot win it reads it and then the secretary of state comes back to each of the counties and says i want you to pull this ballot out here ballotbox and compare it to this image and We passed the state of colorado passed that that Risk limiting audit so we do the logic and accuracy test before validating the machines. We do the the the the the vote counting. And then we do this. Risk limiting audit after and We verified that are machines counted accurately. And that's a kind of summary of that okay. Well i've got a question. yes sir. What if somebody accessed that machine during the vote counting process via the internet and went in and they were able to cut reconfigure the voting. And then go away and and the machine would again be running. Find in other words just moved him. The reason i bring this up is i've son Who is a Teachers government in high school Beyond that he has a master's degree in political science and he noticed in observing some of the counting coming out of wisconsin that they cut down stopped counting shutdown at one o'clock in the morning and then they started up again at seven and somehow between those times he looked at those vote counts out of that that the election they're seventy thousand votes had moved over to biden from trump. So that's a really important observation Colorado has sixty two of our sixty four counties that you use dominion software in no county in colorado are are election servers connected to the internet. They are totally isolated. Counting machines are hardwired to the servers. there is no possible way for the election information in our machines to get an outside influence in fact In lamoure county the last time. A dominion representatives sat down on our server keyboard was in may of two thousand nineteen long before there was any convention long before anybody knew who is going to be the nominee or where they were going to be on the ballot and in our situation. Those machines read the spot on the ballot. The machines do not interpret. It's all done in the in the server so think of it as an x and y axis and a little dot Gets rid as blank or a or a completed bubble and then it's interpreted at the at the server when it comes time to upload those numbers to the secretary of state. All that information is downloaded to a memory stick walked across the building into another isolated room and connected to a machine that does have internet connection. Those numbers are uploaded. And then they're verified with the secretary of state Other states may have been to the internet and we can't speak for them. They have their own problems. There you go. i don't. I don't have any problem with the The voting accuracy or the honesty in colorado whatsoever. But i do think a lot of people have concerns about what goes on elsewhere and it is possible. But where did those seventy thousand votes go between one. A m five or seven. Am in wisconsin. Important question to get answer. Well and i think that's what was trying to be answered but in terms of any challenges that were brought legally it was always just said. Well you don't have standing to do this it that there was never any decision made by a court based on facts but they would all say. Well you don't have any evidence. Well you don't present the evidence until you get into the court and they. They blew him away with standing. Which a lot of people are upset about. Here's my take on this whole thing. I think probably without a doubt in elections that probably in the past and sadly maybe even in the future. If we don't do some really serious there has been some chicanery some dishonesty some vote-fixing whatever you wanna call it to the extent that it in some local races may have had an influence overall in the country. I don't think we have anything else to do. But go with what. The result is This result has gone through the entire process. It's done it's over. If i wasn't thrilled about i'm not. I wasn't ever a trump supporter. But i voted for trump. I had serious problems about his behavior. but on the other hand i liked an awful lot of what he did and he's gone and so he's going to fly to florida and play golf all winter or whatever and we're gonna have to live with whatever we get from biden. Well anyway. that's it. We want to come back here. We've got a couple of things folks need to listen to and i want to talk about Some of these alleged rioters at the capitol. They think they ought to be pardoned because president trump told them to do it. All right well. Just stick with us folks. We got good stuff for you right here on news. No where are we. We're in the auto collision specialists studios. Then we're not news talk anymore you know. We are now northern. Colorado's voice thirteen ten camp k. Age clark for gail cone now. Weekdays at four on northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Day's headlines podcasts mornings with gail and more and a scheduled upcoming sports broadcast find them at thirteen ten k. Ab k dot com. I'd like to be the guy. Yes but not appropriate. Hey john clark kerr with you today. Gail is not taken a deserve a day off. Got a guest in the studio this morning at hanes a friend of mine also someone who is very clued in just just clued in big time to what's going on politically now. Here's here's one for had i. I'm sitting here. Yes not here but if sitting sitting just minded my own business yesterday i seven or no. It was eight thirty. am yesterday morning. A story comes out of the l. a. times says alleged capital rioters argue trump. Invited them in they want pardons so you go on down you start reading a story. You know the the basic thing. Here's the devil made me do it. the president told us to go to the capital. Well did he tell you to hit people over the head. With fire extinguishers police officers did he tell you to go over there and breached the capitol building. I've listened to what president trump said. He said we're going to march to the capital. And we're we're going to but that didn't mean we're going to go inside and tear it up however you got you got to kind of understand. I think some of the mentality of the people he was talking to there are some of these people who came there loaded for bear. They came there with weapons. They came there with ropes so that they could climb the walls of the cap. I mean the yeah and and you pointed out something bring that up about the two different groups that were there so either side of the building. So i'm i think it's the west side will use the westside. We're actually the face of the capital faces south into the mall. Yeah the side of the capitol faces towards the lincoln monument. And that's the mold brent in the mall that's south where many many thousands of protesters were on the other side of the capitol which faces the supreme court in the library of congress. Were where the rioters ended up. And that's scaled and broke into the capital so they broke the windows and that's where thousands of people out on the other side of the capitol now toward the monument in the mall. Who were peacefully assembling i. You cannot like donald trump. that's fine but he did not incite a riot. Those individuals may have and. I've heard claims that there were lots of antiques. And blm discount that. But there was a fellow in utah who was in the capital ostensibly to record what was going on. Who is an antifa guy who was arrested for being One of the rioters in the capital So there was some influence from outside of trump supporters involved. I wouldn't go very far than say some so well. Let me give you a flavor here out of this story. Out of the la times This is their their lead. They launched their assault on the us capitol with impunity live streaming their crimes and posing for photos as they reached buildings perimeter and threatened the democratic process. Now members of the mob or arguing. They shouldn't be held to account weather speaking through their defense lawyers and these people who are the alleged rioters argue. They did nothing illegal They they couldn't have trespassed because the president invited him in. He's come on over. The president by the wheel by the way does not control the cap. He doesn't have no. It's to combine into the cap exactly and so that first of all doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me but this is the story and this is what these people are evidently saying Here's jennifer ryan. She's the texas real estate agent charged in the storming of the capital in an interview with cbs. She said quote. I think that we all deserve. Pardon i'm facing prison sentence. I think that i do not deserve that. Well she flew there in her own private jet and somehow managed to get inside the capitol. And so here. Here's another guy. He andrew newbold. He's a retired. Us navy seal. Who ought to know better. He told abc news. That he was seeking clemency because after posting a facebook page video boasting about the capital That brought f. b. i. Agents to his front door. I guess right. Well i'm i'm not. I'm not having a whole lot of sympathy for these people. I'm a law and order guy. He's a yeah when they broke windows. They damaged whether they were individually doing that. They were with the group that was they need to. They're complicit in that respect. Yeah exactly now now. Here's the famous guy. Remember the guy with the horns. Maybe i think he was trying to dress like a buffalo caveman or something. I don't know what it was. His name is jacob. Chan's lee well. He he he said on cnn. No through his attorney. He said this he didn't say that. His attorney said that his client also department pardon. He was only in the capital because he had hitched his wagon to trump. I hitched go to washington and he was answering a call from the president to go. There i think is this guy's got some else hitch his wagon. He actually was wearing his work and the next day they were able to take it. Okay you know what. I you know what i've classified these folks as candidates for for an mfa award you know at an mvp award is f. b. moore for brains m. f. b. awards. I give those from time to time to people who are really deserved. And i'm just thinking out. People have lawyers. This is going to drag out in the courts. You just know it. Will everything does whom i gosh. The court accepts the case Which the some of them did not regarding the suits that trump people find them after the exactly. Now here's stephen. Levin he's a former federal prosecutor military judge always a jag officer in other words And he's a criminal defense lawyer and he says he thinks it's unlikely trump. Pardon the rioters because doing so would further the evidence they were doing his bidding and maintaining tom to go there and ryan. I agree with him. He didn't but he was talking to a group of people who are mentally screwed up and and so so they misunderstood what he was saying and it probably would have been a lot better if he'd done that right. I think that would have been the best thing. i think. The president himself in the exactly shot asylum. Well but he's not one to do that. That's that's one of the problems. I have with him but but anyway Then then levin goes on to say despite their protestations that the president urged them on the defendants are also likely to fail in court because an invitation to commit a crime is not an excuse to do it. Pretty valid point. Yeah why what do you say. The devil may trump. Oh gosh got a problem with these pardons. There's a pardon processing office. I know i'm getting the name of it right. But they have to go through all the mechanism before the reformed the president and that offices shut down so well yeah but but but we did have gerry ford pardon nixon and it was before he was even charged with any crime gender actual did it with the now our long national nightmare i would be disappointed if trump pardon these folks g you know what this reminds me of. You know there's some. This is the smothers brothers. No ryan's in there. Who's the app barton. The smothers brothers. There's one of their bits where all of a sudden during a song. Tommy starts quacking like a duck and dickie says tommy. You've ruined the saw. You're quacking like a duck. Did you start quacking. Like a duck. Tommy points to some guy in the first row and he says he made me do it. So dicky says okay. Okay tommy if somebody told you to go up and climb up on top of a cliff and they told you to jump off of that cliff would you do it in. Tommy says not again. That's what it reminds me of all. Alright well anyway. We got more excitement for you soon. John clarkin for gail right here on northern colorado's voice thirteen k f k here mornings with kale weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Nuggets basketball is by the latest stories surrounding the mile. High crew by listening to the show a northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Jail john abandon the swing is oh i own. Forty five of this i do. I own the forty five of elvis. That's an awesome sock. What you know what's going on here. Where's gale what's going. This is scary. Well we went to remind you at six thirty eight. It's a holiday. What the heck. it's john clark. My friend had hanes who is a former chairman. Big shots of the county republican party. And we're talking politics. okay at. Here's the deal. I've got a story. This one's went out of the huffington post headline republican seek to distance distance distance themselves from the mob that created the storm the capitol right and so they did a poll and and kind of wealth only seven percent of republicans now say that the actions of president donald trump supporters who stormed the capital. Were mostly right now. That's down from twenty two percent right after the event happened so to the right after republicans only twenty two percent said. Yeah that's okay now. We're down to seven so the popularity and the agreement among republicans people who have brains like yours and mine We just have those we were born. We had a friend say don. Were you born a republican. And i think so. That's right. They're hardcore All right now forty one percent. Now say the insurrection. That's the word they're giving to this thing now. was mostly wrong and that's up from twenty three previously so republicans are kind of kind of changing our minds. How's your brain go. So i've been a trump supporter since he was inaugurated. Yeah a little bit obnoxious. i gotta tell you that. But that's okay accomplishments that he was able to do for america through the intense opposition to him. Politically personally made him. One of america's greatest accomplishing and successful presidents especially until the last thirty days of his presidency. And then he tanked He his ego his personality made it impossible for him to to remain or to be rational. And i personally believe That phone call that he made to the secretary of state and georgia cost us. At least david produced senate seat and the majority in the senate which will have a lasting impact on the way we do things biting person and i will obey the law. And anybody could've tried to incite me to do something. And i would not have done it. I think millions and millions of republicans. Feel the same way. Exactly as do i saw. I'm with you These folks that are on the edge of this thing. You just got to cool it. You really do that. There are some people who are very critical of our president and and it kind of fits in with what you said during the last thirty days or so. He's gonna wacko on Day there are a bunch of Well this is. This is interesting because this is in the greeley tribune and yet something written by guy named bob stewart. Who's a clinical psychologist in. Has been a resident in greeley. Well he's writing about the fact that The dangerous case of donald trump twenty-seven mental health experts concluded that donald trump has several severe personality disorders. That make him dangerous so during his four years until the election. And the and the mayhem after. What did he do. That was dangerous for america. He gave us four or five peace agreements in the middle east. Yes between arab countries and israel and serbia. He brought fifty remains home from korea. Kia's in the korean war because of his talks with kim jong un He he he got nato to pay four hundred billion dollars more into its own defense by asking them he gave us the. us mca. trade deals He was a phenomenally. president well in and i would add that opposition here reduced unemployment especially among minority people in the hispanic in the black population at record lows and his tax bill actually increased revenue to the federal treasury. But the spending didn't go down that he wants to ask me what don't i like about. Donald trump. I'd say he didn't focus well on getting the deficit under control and he spent his whole business career borrowing money. Yeah that's kind of mindset. He he's often said. Interest rates are low. They're giving it away. And i understand that it's a good time. If you got to borrow money it's a good time but on the other hand it's going to catch up with you. That debt report sure does well anyway in this story there. It's an actually an editorial that was reprinted from a piece that was written by this. Bob stewart dr bob stewart and one of the things that was interesting to me he said our democracy is withstanding one of the great assaults in its history enough people maintain their democratic principles enacted as intelligent sin citizens that they outnumbered the extremist by at least seven million voters. So he's talking about the outcome of this election Yeah i just. I wish he had another name because his initials r b and and i don't i know mr dr stewart. I'm not saying that the disrespect you saw the robber it. It was just yeah. I'd go by our robert because the bs thing it just doesn't well that's cheap shot. I'm sorry okay. yeah yeah just. Sometimes i notice things. we'd we'd bring Now here's another one. this is one. That's got people upset down in colorado springs and all of us i think in colorado so all of a sudden the other day the president sends the space command down down to two alabama alabama. Do you know what miss is well. know what. alabama state motto is. oh well at least. We're not mississippi. I mean okay. You got that going for but no no I'm if i've insulted you in your from alabama on. I apologize but i'm colorado person been here all my life and i was born in colorado springs. My dad retired from the air force in colorado springs. And i will tell you. Alabama is not colorado springs in right now the space command is in colorado springs along with an awful lot of civilian contractors and to talk about moving that to alabama is is not a good idea in a matter of fact in this story that was in the really trip again This is one that president trump has made this decision without any input. For instance we. This is a quote we know of no qualified military space expert including an array of retired air force generals who think space command should leave colorado springs the pentagon's team of experts who studied the future of space command recommended keeping it in the springs for a broad array of cultural economic and strategic reasons strategic has to do with winning wars So did it. Did they say it was going to huntsville. And yeah because there is a space school down there. It's a space city. That's their hype. Well granted but it's not a good place for it. And i've talked to some people who know a little bit about it and they took no no no no now. The one thing we've got to do and we can't do it right now because we gotta take a little time do some other stuff. I wanna come back. And i want to explain to folks. The space command is not is not the space force you may have heard about the space force their different. I haven't got time right now. But i will go away. 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The president trump has done it again in the sense that he's done something. I consider to be somewhat irrational whole lot. Irrational he's he decided just boom the other day that they're going to move the space command from colorado springs here in colorado taliban in birmingham now there are some space assets down there already. There be granted but the pentagon was in the middle of doing a up a research. Kind of thing evaluation now. Here's the thing about president. Trump there are protocols and there are systems and there are procedures in place in order to do things in government. some people call that proper process. Some people call it red tape. Take your pick. There just depends on how you look at it. And sometimes i believe it is red tape but on the other hand there are processes there to make good decisions so that you have all the information to make decision and make it wisely all right. Well he just all of a sudden. The other date told the air force secretary. Her name is bo barrett. That we're going to. We're going to move space command from colorado springs colorado alabama boom but done. Well first of all. It's not done. The man's only going to be an office two more days wednesday. He's gone biden. Could overturn this very quickly. And even at this point there's nothing been really done in this short weaker. Whatever lot of people credit this in in ed my friend oughta introduced you to ed yet. I did if you just tuned in At at hanes is with me this morning. He's a former chairman of the republican party and lumber county and has a severe severe political addiction Somewhat similar to mind. Anyway what what. What do you make of this. There's got to be some political stuff behind so these kinds of decisions are always have to be looked at from political lands and alabama now has two republican senators and six of the seven house districts and co colorado. Just rejected cory gardner. As as a great senator absolutely the president and now we have two democrats senators. I would be a bit surprised. If in the president's mind this was just political payback. Which like you say very likely could be reversed by the new administration but it wouldn't be the first time that political influences has carried the day in a decision like this and so. That's where i'm looking right now for the reason for them well in no strategic or or two tactical or logical reason for it. Well yeah and as i mentioned before the pentagon's been studying this thing for quite a while and everything pointed to the idea that colorado springs was the best place to have it now. I mentioned earlier. There is a space force. And there's a space command. Now ed's a veteran and he understands some of his probably better than i tried to get into the army in one thousand nine hundred sixty six and flunked my physical. So here i am still alive. But anyway in the in the military their commands in these commands are some of them are geographic for instance north command central command south. That's got to do with the part of the world Africa command on and on. Then there are some that are mission related space cyber special operations. Those are examples transportation and all of those those are commands that are based on mission responsibilities. These the space command is one of those spaces. A is a mission. But we've also got an element of the air force. Now that's kind of related to the air force like the marines related to the navy. They're they're a separate service but yet they're related so right now and. That probably isn't going to be that way forever but right now the space command is part of the air force Like the navien chief of staff. Yeah that's right. And so they're figuring out real simple. How do we defend the country in space and these are two different things. The space force is going to stay right there with the air force They take up some space down there. At a place called. Shreve air force base and peterson air force base and up in the mountain. Cheyenne mountain in under the mountain. I've been in there by the way. It's pretty cool Okay so that's what's going on. Now we've got to then figure out a way to to get this reversed. Because i don't think this ought to leave and it you mentioned a minute ago affair would tell tell them tele folks while you think there's a good chance that this'll be reverse because of the political climate here in colorado think that that's With the with the democrat Lead presidency and congress and in colorado prison biden may very well undo this decision and bring it back because colorado has been supportive of him in in being elected. And i believe pop. Politics is behind every decision and trump did this on his own without the sanction of the Without that the defense department and so keep your fingers. Crossed just may be overturned young and i think it could be decision absolutely Colorado springs is just made for this. That's what they are and what's interesting is. How does the really highly republican place colorado springs pasco. County is republican. But in this case they're going to sign up with the democrats who probably keep this here. Also the thing that's occurred to me is. He made this decision just briefly before. They voted in the house on his impeachment. Well there are six of the seven house members from alabama in most of them voted not to one hundred forty seven votes or something like that in the house against impeachment. They're all republicans. And so this this could have been him kind of preempting a few votes there. Maybe see so. It's political as you say well nonetheless. There's a scripture somewhere. It says there needs be politics in all things. I'm not sure who wrote that scripture. I'm not sure that's in the scriptures. The it's not in the book. I believe but i know it's out there seems that way doesn't it well anyway just understand. The fifth space force is still operating. And it's separate from the space command in those are two different things in the space force is still working under the air force's tutelage as it were In colorado springs but understand also. The space force isn't going to be very big when it tops out. Maybe at twenty thousand personnel total active duty people working in the space force. It's it's a small mission in the sense that you don't have to have a lot of troops to invade a country you've got to protect satellites. Yeah that's their job. Well anyway we got more for you real soon. Ed thanks for being with us. I know you've got some of the things to do today. And after the top of the hour. We're gonna come back and talk about martin luther king junior and we'll do that real soon right here. Another colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi am john clark for gail. 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September 17 Hour 1 CHSAA To Allow Limited Fall Sports | Kelly Lyell Calls In
"Thursday Thursday. Tuesdays as well. Thursdays. Even more. Very, very much, very, very, very much. So joining me in the auto collision specialist studios for breaking news from last night breaking news. But but Still Breaking. Tanner swit- everybody. JETER tack to. CHASA CHASA warts. Yeah. It wasn't quite the stroke of midnight last night eleven thirty last night Chasa board voted on variances that got approved by the governor's office. And they have voted in a twelve to three vote to approve the return of high school football for this fall. But instead of saying everybody plays in the fall or in the spring, they've left it up to the schools. The schools now enter into a couple of day period where they will get together with their coaches, athletic directors or superintendents, school board everybody, and decide whether they're opting into the fall season or they're opting into the spring season. From what I'm being told is that this means that there will be two state champions. Which I mean we talk about what's that really hard word to say all the time asterisks. All the time and it's pretty good. That's going to be the biggest one of those things when you have to state champion. So now what if you have to state champions and then you make the state champions play each other for another championship. So then 'cause. Yes, they'll be three champions, but then he'd have a guy a team that had been sitting out for three months and now the. That's that's probably not going to happen. So I know I've been here a lot of dates being thrown around and it's kind of moving point I talked with Steve, long well, the athletic director of the reds. He's also a chess board member and he's saying these dates are kind of a moving target, right. But what I'm hearing and he's relatively confident in is that September twenty fourth start date for practice that means October ninth first game for high school football happening eat the reds have opted in that just came down as well. I just got off the phone with Steve Before I came on the program he is he the reds Have talked with their coaches again that that whole thing was all in collaboration and everybody from the Eton School district says, yes, we're going forward to this I expect to hear other decisions from northern Colorado schools and the Patriot League specifically later on today because this is kind of the first domino to fall kind of have to make decision today the Roosevelt rough riders have also opted in to play in the fall season from what I'm hearing Kevin Lila. Great. Friend of the station Kevin is saying that the putter school district is actively pursuing a way to play this fall. A lot of what's going to happen there though is non. Fort. Collins high schools and but non lumber county schools. How are they going to opt in? Because you get to those higher levels? This schools are a little bit more spread out and again there's so many more. That'll come. But as of right now, there is going to fall high school football. So you Denver schools are not going to go right the dirty. So sure a lot of Denver schools, the public schools, they will release the statement yesterday urging chassis and the governor not to allow variances and to not play in the fall and I do think that this is why you saw the split season you saw that as well as the spring season, we already talked about it marches the snowiest month. These mountain schools there's no way that they would be to play in that spring season. So this is where it lands right now there's still a lot to be answered who's opting in opting out and I think that we're gonNA see schools really starting to start rolling here season today s situation you said there's going to either way you slice it there's GonNa be a lot of teams that don't opt in. Is. It GonNa be like Notre Dame ACC type thing where okay. Maybe five eight schools not going to have enough schools to play. So now they're dropping down to four a or I think that's terrifying possibility. I. Mean those those classifications are there for reason manpower. Mainly, and you look at it on the way up, you don't WanNa five as school coming down and beaten up on a one a school to and and I know it wouldn't be that severe but I don't see that really starting to budge a whole lot. You see maybe one division jump. I don't know I guess that's the best answer for you right now, and there's a lot that we still don't know about this. But yeah I mean they're going to have to get creative they're going to have to fill up scheduled. I talked with another athletic director last week and jokingly said, you got your football schedule ready to go and he said I do I just don't know who the hell I'm putting in there right now, and so it's going to be just a bunch of randomness until probably right until October eighth right the day before the first game. So this this would extend us into December eleven too. So it's GonNa be it's you're kind of like this is all messy. This is weird I don't know if you're not going to go all in because. Again College football seems weird right does I'll admit it's hard for me to watch. But from their perspective from these players perspective, they're like we don't really care if we win, we just want to play the game that we've been training for a whole lives. I'm guessing that's more for these high school students I would. I would guess so too I did talk with a with a football coach this morning and I asked him I said. So if they've said that the only state champion that they were going to recognize came out of the spring season what would you do in and he said that I would I would prefer to wait until. The spring season because what's the point if we're not chasing after that gold ball that everybody's looking for? So I think that estate tax does come into play big time and yeah, you're right Brady. I'm more of a fan of let's get it all done. Let's let's not have this split season. Let's not have to state champion that's just not clean. It's not effective and the big thing to that I think I, want to I want to mention is that it's kind of flown under the table they still haven't got the variances approved for indoor sports. So basketball supposed to be starting in. January. That still hasn't been approved wrestling still hasn't. been approved volleyball, which is another false board. This was this was the sport that was voted on still hasn't been approved. So the indoor aspect is a whole nother story and I will just shameless plug your. Noko. Now coming up tomorrow I'm off today we sampled today but tomorrow I will be talking with Steve Long while he was in on all of these board meetings he's on the front line and he's going to enlighten a little bit more So that'll be a riveting conversation but there's a lot still be impact here. Yeah. No no doubt about it I here at the station at Cave K we we do a lot of broadcasts. High School Softball High School Football University of Northern Colorado were kind of looking to see what that looks like on the basketball side of things to which I'm hearing positive things on that and we're GonNa have Kelly Lyell on later to talk about the basketball side. But it sure sounds like they're gonNA go. November right and and the mountain west seems to be like they're they're gonNA be actively pursuing a Fulton. Hill as well. So there's still frustrates me about all of this though, and I think this you and I kind of disagree because I'm like. If it's football I wanted on high wise. College football it's tough for me because I'm a big local college football fan I like the Mountain West Conference like the PAC twelve. Neither one of those are going right now. So it's tough for me I get the SEC. Okay. But for high school football, I just want to have some high school football going and I I take that person because I played high school football. I can't imagine if I was a kid at this point going on, we're gearing up and then nothing I. Think where we're you both agree though. What changed in a month nothing. So why did we go through this whole thing? Not Football? What changed in one month where we say you know what now it can work why did that that and that's the most frustrating thing for anybody who's been following traction yeah. That's the most frustrating thing is ben is that it's become a political football that is getting kicked back and forth no, Pun intended but I it's terrible right now what they've done is a mess it's been sloppy in Brady I mentioned it a little bit last time, but I'm hearing more and more rumblings. About the possibility of Rhonda Blanchard Green and her future going forward because this is just been grossly grossly mishandled what you WanNa have happened in these situations I don't care if it's governor police and I don't know anything about his job I really don't know anything about Rhonda's job either. But what we WANNA have from an outsider's perspective is you have somebody with strong leadership it's been very wishy washy at least with channel I'm not talking about police in any- politics or anything like that. Now, governor police talking about this situation has been very wishy washy. The communication has been weird, we had a twitter battle last week. This could have felt I, felt like we could be a week ahead today. But instead last week we took to twitter and it's like get off your damn social media accounts stop treating facebook and twitter like your personal diary and get some damn work done the political and that's what's frustrating about the whole thing and all these kids and coaches and boosters that support them and and all this stuff. They're the ones that lose in this right now and there's no doubt about it any and you talked about governor police in Rhonda those have been the two that have been spearheading this and it got political. And for a minute there governor police looked like he was he was coming out clean and and look don't get me wrong Republicans and Democrats alike love high school football and so everyone that's going to look good for for governor police a political got messy. There was not this abundance of information which needed to be taking place that just didn't happen and a messy but the thing now to keep in mind and we're looking at October Ninth I football date October tenth is the State Tournament for softball which is going to be four games in one day at one location and they still don't know how many how many people are going to let into the damn fields so. That that's something to me. We knew we were having softball that should have been solved a long time ago. It's just been sloppy and I get it. You gotta give them a little bit of leash. Go give them a little bit a room here because it's been so weird but still there's got to be accountability and CHASA and specifically Rhonda Plan for Green it's been sloppy and it's it is not good. For CHASA. So here's what we know. There will be high school football in the fall in the state of Colorado unless something changes and he revokes those variances. Yes. We are planning on high school football season. Now who's playing when they're playing anything like that it's still up in the air but yes, right now Chasa and governor polls have approved it to just like you and Clark fire up the microphones today attraction. Yeah. Well this teams opted in and this team this team's not going to do it it might be worth looking into. I, mean my goodness there's going to be a lot into that and I don't are you guys going to be sharing stuff like on your your preps facebook page as you get him. Brian. We're GONNA. We're GONNA try to symbolist a list here of northern Colorado especially as it gets a little bit bigger right now for northern Colorado, the teams that we will be covering like I said, Roosevelt's and in eaten are the two that I have confirmed I'll be efforting to confirm more as we go along. I'm sure. Platte. Valley will be one that will follow soon I'm sure that in highland huskies will will jump in as well. Just from conversations I've been having but nothing confirmed yet I'm wondering again I'm from Eastern Colorado I'm sure that most of those schools out there who have not experienced, you know a lot of cases with Ron I'm pretty sure they're all going. That's something that we haven't even. Talked about yet. Is that you know what happens when these schools start to have these outbreaks in these cohorts started get quarantined because it I mean it's inevitably going to happen somebody's gonNA run into it. So you're probably going to have a week or something where you'll have an extended by week or something along those lines but I this list here from Colorado perhaps Kevin Schafer has been following this very closely. I know he's been a a huge advocate for playing a fall season. But you'd actually be surprised I mean wiggins jumping in daily as jumping similar is the small schools but here's some that kind of caught me off guard Pine Creek Pueblo, West Lutheran Rampart Palmer Ridge and Lewis Palmer all in season a thunder ridge in season as well. That surprises me a little bit when you get down there. But the other thing that we again, we have to keep all these things in mind if a local government governing body comes out and says, we've reached a higher level. In our Cova cases, we've seen this increase we have to drop back down on the scale. Then this the variants for high school football goes away because it goes to the local government I, there's so many variables man we're going to continue to sort through them but as of right now, October ninth is the tentative start date for high school football. So I, know this'll be a headache for the prep side of the preps director side. But when can we expect a high school football game on case Guy I? Looking at probably October sixteenth because we do have four games of SAPA over tenth, they will have to be gearing up for so. If things go the way that they look like they're going to attentively October sixteen. Okay. Tanner Schwinn appreciate you man, we have softball later today. We have loved doing softball and that's been I. Know that's been a lot of fun too. So. I'm excited for that game done a great job of highlighting some very talented athletes or another in Colorado. Yeah. We Got Fossil Ridge in Fort Collins going this afternoon four o'clock pre-game four fifteen first pitch. Thanks proactive physical therapy for the pre-game show. But I know Eric Sampson's all ready to go for this one. It's a big F R softball game. One of those teams a little bit better than the other clerks calling for a maybe maybe a ten runners along those lines today but. Yeah it's been great highlight these softball games and we're GONNA continue to do it. You talk about the three eaten in university the look like they could be vying for state title against each other coming up on October tenth but we will continue to keep you updated on all of our microphones that we have in here on our social media sites, everything like that will. Continue to keep you updated on what we hear. All right, my friend, who appreciates you giving us some time. Either way I'm looking forward to it I, I I again it's it's messy. You're right but I am looking forward to it and we'll. We'll see what what teams we're going to have to focus on. It does sound like I'm just getting this in here. It's sounding like university is jumping in as well as they are promoting for their athletes to be making sure they've got physical up to date seniors and juniors can get helmets from the school today. So sounds like university will be jumping in his well university, another charter school. So they won't be following with the school district or anything along those lines district six we'll. We'll wait to see our power play sports poll question is. Will Your team the team that you like in high school football will they be playing this fall? So shoot us a text. Let me know if you hear something that we don't. You're following your schools sixty six percent of the say. Yes. But I mean, again, most of you like me that off. You're just hopeful. Like I. Know my hometown Cheyenne Wells Colorado opera script, throw it out there. They're probably playing football. I would assume. So I, mean I would assume. So there's it's small town USA and I don't know that they've had a lot of cases down right ready for Friday night lights no doubt about it but there's been such a headache and their headaches not over yet. So good luck to all the athletic directors other. That's how I've been starting every email and phone call that I've been sending out there. And saying good to you. I called Steve Long will this morning and the first thing he says there's no comment and of course, messing around and then we had a great conversation but yeah, good luck to everybody out there planning this, we'll be ready to roll on our end be able to get clerk Johnson out there broadcast high school football whenever the start date is all right tanner sweat host of Noko now, and our preps director here at thirteen ten, Kfi twenty one minutes after the hour. A lot of sorting through schedules, it's going to be fun and the mountain west going to see us you football. I don't know We know basketball. Sure looking good November crazy day here we'll be right back. It's the whole show powered by energy live from the article Asian Specialist Studio Code now. Weekdays at four another Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten KFI K.. Dan Patrick the whole show and Colin Coward Northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten Kfi K.. 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Comex staying up with the news of the day is. is becoming a bit difficult, but per the NC Double A. Yesterday. Teams can participate in the following they can have Practices and getting set for that kind of thing, but they can have games. Official, start of the two, thousand, twenty, one college basketball season. Is November twenty fifth decision is in at this point. So that's that's the decision. Now. How I'm GonNa talk to Kelly Lyle Fort Collins Colorado and coming up. Is that a like are they gonna be able to make a choice not to play still or assistant? This is just saying, Hey. Starting, you can opt out if you want, but it is starting. November twenty fifth. What does that mean locally? What does that mean for the University of Northern? Colorado and the Big Sky? What does that mean for Colorado state in the Mountain West from? C. For Colorado for the buffs, the PAC twelve came out a few months ago. And not only did they knicks the football season they said no basketball until January at least. So has does that change? That's that's GonNa Question Mark Right that's GonNa be a big one. I text line three, one, nine, nine, six, three, one, nine, nine, six, tomorrow, Night Nuggets Clippers. I really hate. The fact that this The rhetoric like the national rhetoric on shows that we are here even with Colin Coward and the Dan Patrick Show and I love those programs. But there is a national rhetoric Colfax. Clippers quit. The clippers were tired the clippers collapsed. It's not that Oh, they faced a better team. Their rosters good. The clippers rosters. Great. But. Those. Of you that followed the nuggets closely really believe this I mean I I'd love to say that I'm the only one at the beginning of the season that said, Oh this is going to win the Title I. Know You felt strongly about that Colfax I. Know a lot of folks over altitude and again altitude I love them so much. But they are you know owned by the crankiest altitude. So they're going to be that critical but you can tell if they don't believe the teams go championship team, they're not going to say it. A lot of local outlets throughout the state of Colorado said the same thing. So No I. Don't think it was a clipper the the nuggets did it to the jazz too. So they I, mean I know the jazz aren't the same team as the clippers, but the nuggets proved that they can turn it on I think you posted something like this Colfax Aa the nuggets now? No, no. Win Turn on. They know they have that ability they know how to do they. They've they've had flashes of it. You know throughout these playoffs but I think. take down the clippers like that. They figured it out. They know how to do it and that was the question. Right when we when we got done with game five is like. Well they won which nuggets team are we're going to get because one end when everything's going right? They're winning games they know how to win games. If jokers doing his thing merge doing his thing, your role players are doing their things. Then you're there, they're the best team in the NBA. I. Think. But when those things aren't happening. Yeah. There are there are mediocre team. It's a very interesting settlement. Well, Kennesaw. Says I don't think they're scared anymore seemed like they didn't believe in themselves against the clippers. Yeah. The make no mistake about it. The nuggets are not going into tomorrow night saying we're just happy to be in the Western Conference finals they they really believe they can win this thing. They have a great group. And Malone is like I said, he answered that question is the guy that can get the best out of this team. He got him to the Western Conference finals. And they've been there twice in the NBA history. Both, times against the Lakers. Isn't that crazy magic Johnson Kobe Bryant stand in their way now now Lebron arguably three of the best players ever do it. Can the nuggets get past the center and you go back and I wanNA talk about that later today. But you go back to win the nuggets played the Lakers in two thousand nine. It was bad. Inbound plays remember that I mean that was. Nuggets were their. Toe. Toe. Toe with this with this Great Lakers team and two games came down to it and Kenyon Martin Anthony Carter couldn't get the ball inbounds. Couple of steals led two point, two points and it was like four point game then with like ten seconds so. There were close they were crazy games. I remember I was in college. Nutty time and thirty one minutes after the hour. Let's jump out of here. We will catch up with Kelly Lyle from Fort Collins Colorado and so I'm sure he'll have some information for us on on college basketball with that means locally but also the mountain west conference when it comes to football I that the latest on the local sports flash here mornings with GAIL weekdays six to nine and northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten KFI K.. This is Joe Parker Director of Athletics Colorado University and you're listening to the hall show with my friend. Brady. Hall. Thirty, six minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the show joining me on her. I manage hotline is Kelly from Fort Collins Colorado, and it has been a busy day as we sorted through the prep side of things earlier still. So going to wait to see which teams opt in, but it sounds like is going to happen in the fall Kelly as we transition over how about the college football scene specifically, the mountain West Conference there's news there that starting to pick up some steam that we might have football in the fall. Yeah it's it's. It's certainly everything changed and I kinda knew it would once the big ten reverse course and and you know they kind of started the whole thing of cancelling. League was the first but really among. F. B. S. Major College football big ten started at and in the mid American. You know the big ten saying they're going back now the PAC twelve looking at you know the pressures on them they're going they're looking very strongly going back I. Don't think they've made a formal announcement yet, but I expect when shortly there's no way the mountain West Conference in the mid American Conference WanNa be the only to conferences and at the highest level of college football trying to play in the spring that just isn't gonNA work for them no matter what. So I think they're they're honestly now realizing that if they don't try to play some kind of modified fall season At this point, they may not play period for the entire school year and when you look at the finances and all the other things of that, that is just a devastating blow that I don't think any of them want to deal with. So I would be stunned if by the if by the end of the day tomorrow, we don't have plans in place for every single F-. Bs Conference all ten of them to be playing games this fall the for that are not well, will announce their shortly I think including the mountain west We'll see what that looks like. I've heard. At least some of the early reports are that there might be one or two schools that don't participate I'm I'm still waiting to hear back from a few of the schools myself. I've kind of reached out to them all to see what their level of preparation readiness would be and so far everything I've heard sounds like. You know yeah. Everybody's got different levels of what they've been able to do but you know we're still more than a month out from went. Any of those things would start. So there's still going to be you know. You're still gonNA, have a month to get your team minimum of a month to get your team ready for the first game and probably more like six weeks when they when they sort it all out. So I don't think that's going to be an issue for anybody and and frankly if it is, then you probably have a football coach that's being paid too much money and has many staff members for the work they're doing if they can't get a team ready in that amount of time. Joining us from Fort Collins Colorado, and so Kelly. You said, maybe maybe we know something soon maybe as soon as tomorrow what is it look like for practices right now I know I got the email yesterday from athletics about increasing activities. But yeah, like you said, how how soon would we be able to get things up and running because there are some conferences that have been going now for two weeks for a week or so Yeah, and that's where I think your biggest variance is going to be as. You know some places You know we're doing very individualized workouts in small groups outdoors only know equipment socially distanced in some cases wearing math even when they're doing the outdoor workouts. There I don't think there is a school in the mountain West Right. Now, other than maybe air force because of their upcoming game with Navy that was going to happen no matter what as part of the commander in chief's Siri Trophy series I, don't think there's another school in the conference. So there's probably had players put on pads and had any kind of contact let alone even some full team workout. So that's what's going to be interesting to see how. That works out and and if they do go ahead, how big an advantage air force gets or how they work around that I, think that if I'm the rest of the conference, I just deal with it and say you know what that's that's going to happen. Maybe Air Force is going to have a little bit of an edge this year. But let's not let that cheat the rest us out of a chance to play at least a modified. Kelly Lyle again with us here on the Fort Collins Colorado and. I'm very curious to see how this plays out boy. It's going to be unique. How about the the basketball side of things I mean it sounds like we're pretty much go there insead wide as far as what November twenty, fifth. What is that going to look like for conferences teams? Are they all going to obviously be able to make their own decisions because we know the PAC twelve they came out with a month ago and said Oh basketball is not going to happen until twenty twenty one. So I I'm very interested to see how that plays out. Yeah that'll be interesting and again it's a different thing because you're talking to an indoor sport versus and outdoor sport There are lot of differences in what what they now know about the transmission of you know of covid nineteen indoors and the ability likelihood of catching it indoors versus outdoors your much much much less likely eighteen point six times according to several scientists I talked to in an aggregate of numerous studies to catch it outdoors than indoors. So when you go into your environment, even even if you don't allow fans, it's a different entity and I think it's going to vary widely. By state by county by individual institutions having their own, you know levels of concern or what level risk they're willing to take how much they think they can mitigate those risks and marinas but for practices even let alone for Games and but you know I think we're going to see it and and again I think that's a good thing I think unfortunately for Colorado state, it might be hard to get back some of those non conference games that they lost Again since they had never formally announced schedule, we don't necessarily know what those were, but I'm certain there were contracts in place that. That are they're kind of scrambling to reschedule or to modify in different ways but I think it will be you know I think Colorado. State will be able to get in a good month of non conference play whether that's two games, four games, eight games. I don't know before they get into a mountain west schedule and then at least under the current scenario I, think the mountain west schedule will move forward kind of the way. that. It would have prior to any of this outbreak of the pandemic. So I think that's a good thing. Again I don't think we're GONNA see full capacity in the arenas of fans anytime soon. But hopefully, we'll be able to kind of start ramping up and get toward that as a health experts get a little bit better idea of what they can and can't do to reduce the to reduce the spread and and what's practical. What isn't I know right now talking to some scientists for news story that I'm you know that I Worked on yesterday that you know they said right now that's the problem is science is telling us. We can't do anything and they need to start telling us what we can do and how it can be done safely especially when it comes to indoor activities. So let's let's hope they continue to make some good progress on that front in time to Maybe allow us to watch some basketball this in-person this season. Yeah. No no doubt about it certainly, and again it's it's it's big news I mean there's there's there's a lot of moving parts shore. Sounds like we're getting closer and closer to that Kelly. How about the other stuff going on over at Colorado State? It seems like every week there is a major story coming out as far as you know now, there's like investigation what's the news there how how's everything going on that side of him? That's that's a really good question Colorado. State is certainly taking a a bean when it comes to image nothing else you know the latest now being lawsuit filed against against the university based on the actions of of at least one booster and that's you know that's again. It it's a bad look and I think it. It unfortunately still goes back a little bit to the Not. Dealing not sometimes addressing issues head on just SORTA. Away and you just you can't do that and I think you know that's something they've got. They've got to fix whatever it takes. They've gotta fix that maybe this investigation will get there. Maybe there'll be some changes in in you know who's running what that will get them there I don't know but they can't continue on this path and be successful long term they have got to change the way they deal with things when problems arise when issues arise, they can not just bury their head in the sand and hope it goes away and I think far too often that's been the approach. I think you're right I mean there's there's GonNa be stuff that happens in the world of college sports. But when you just kind of neglected sweep it under the rug and hope that it eventually goes away as we know with Colorado State is we know with several colleges that typically never works. Kelly. What are you working on for us that we could check out in the Colorado in the next the next day or two? Well. Again like some, we're GONNA medication at some other stories, but I am also because of my my new multiple duties at the Colorado. Incensio but hitting sports where reduced. But I am also taken a sampling right now of you know who's doing what as far as mountain west football how ready are these teams to play? How willing are schools to come back and play right now in New Mexico football still against the law against state public health orders at all levels you know the university sure is doing some individual workouts some small workouts But they need to get some some. They need to get an actual public health order variants before they'd be allowed to have a football practice. Let alone have again play a game. So we'll see where that stuff goes There's some quarantine issues with certain states that you know if they're teams leave and come back, they'd have to quarantine for two weeks before they can go anywhere again. Get. Out, in public etc. So there are a lot of issues that still have to be worked out for this to happen but I got a feeling that the the impetus to make those things happen hit when the big ten made its reversal this week and I think everybody else is going to make it happen over the next few days and make sure they find a way to play at least a modified fall slash winter season. Yeah. Well, Kelly, we'll we'll keep our eyes out for what you what you're working on because again, it's A. A lot of moving parts. So we'll try to stay focused on Kelly appreciate human. All. Right. Thanks her Kelly Lyles, for Collins. Colorado in and yeah I, mean, even if we get football go on which. Sounds, like we're going to have some football. I don't know what does that mean for the Big Sky Conference to and we'll we'll start digging into that a little bit but Certainly feels like the mountain west conference is, Hey, this is what This might be able to make this go. Kelly said. By the time you know we get to tomorrow maybe we're at that point where you know he'd be shocked if we don't get a decision so we'll keep we'll keep following along with that story as we go big news, of course with with Chasa and and governor police saying, Hey, you guys can play football in the fall. It's going to be up to the schools now and as Tanner told US earlier a few schools have already opted in and I'm sure as I speak more and more continue to do so got shut out to fresco painter south, platte Great Idea for you guys you want a free cooler and a free painting quote. GotTa meet the best painting professionals in the industry. It's all you gotTa do is pick up the phone call fresco painters of south. Platte. Just tell them. 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Argument from Antiquity - FT#30
"Nobody has respect women than i do nobody hillary clinton wants to abolish it for labor she wants to abolish our second amendment like they didn't deny it i don't think anybody tonight it other presidents did not call pitt write letters at some presidents do anything many people have come out and said i'm right we do have to ask yourself where does it stop hello and welcome to fallacious trump the podcast where we use the insane ramblings of dorito cellini to explain logical fallacies i'm your host jim jim i'm your host mark a logical fallacy is an error in reasoning results in bad or probably don't agreements and the logical fallacy looking at this week is the argument from antiquity we also known as argument had antiquitatum and appeal to tradition yes so as the alternative name suggests filter tradition this this is where someone basically says that because something has been going for a long time because it's the way it's always been done that means it's the right way to do it with the best way to the right to borrow from a tim mention some white wine and some just because an idea is today shis it means it is worthy that's royno to good way of reasoning because there's lots of reasons why something could have been done a long time ago we'll have been done for a long time but there are better ways to do or their alternatives yeah just as good so for our first example from trump we have one of his examples for y walls assay good and a he faces of why he decides it's a good idea to the wall and this was during a period where he thought that it was a good idea to connect the idea of tools to the idea of wheels they say a wall is medieval well so as a wheel a wheel is older they're a wall and i looked at every single ca-car out there even the really expensive ones that the secret service users and believe me they are expensive i said do they all have wheels yes oh i thought thought it was medieval the wheel is older than the wall you know that and there are some things that work you know what a wheel works at a wall works we wheels sales are older than wall well says no then no yeah exactly and the thing that makes makes the secret services cards expensive expensive is that they've got walls built into the doors surely yeah yeah first of all the first walls that we found archaeologically geologically a probably around nine thousand years BC the first wheels that there's evidence or about three to five thousand years basie so wolf macho wills and and yes wolves do work for particular purposes they work for separating out areas this so you know which part of the land is your land which part is your neighbor's land they still work just as well as they always did for that kind of thing that doesn't doesn't necessarily mean it's the best thing for stopping illegal immigration or drugs getting into the country especially when you use actually not making you won't be making a steel fence with slats with holes in slabs that you can just push drugs through if you wanted to when parts of the entire point was to stop the drug drug trade so walls were for specific purposes doesn't mean it's just because they're all just because they've been used for time that the right answer to a particular kid appropriate that people are having at the all the people solve all the the thing you'd go to as the best solution there's a scar discard remember the song says if you build a wall will build a ladder it's a song by grace petri who's a british this kind of angry folksinger which is the best way obviously of folk singing and choruses you you billable we'll build oh you build a bridge so actually absolutely that is one of the drawbacks of walls is in part because they've been around so long people have had quite a long time to figure out how to get over them come up tribus kinds of its it's most of which 'cause it's a simplistic problem is the also quite simplistic to defeat there you don't need yeah expensive technology difficult oh plans to get over all you do just need a ladder another example from trump as he and had a bit of a problem with the modern aircraft carriers that they've been building for particular reasons for building carriers we're building one they using being an electric catapault and an electric elevator number one i can't imagine in the case of battle it must be very delicate delicate okay and steams only worked for about sixty five years perfectly and i won't tell you this because it's before my time i'm by a little bit but they have nine hundred million dollar cost overrun on this crazy electric catapult i said what was wrong with steam you know they're always come up with new ideas they're making plane so complex you can't fly him you know that they i want to show next next next and we all want innovation but it's still much bloody innovation new ideas coming up with new solutions to all problems wrong with the old delusions so they have been using steam for a long time one aircraft carriers to launch the planes and the reason for this is because planes need a certain distance to get up the speed required to take on an aircraft carriers a short so they use lose steam powered carriage that they attached to the front of the plane to put it really fast along so that it can help speed to take off like flicking in flicking a toy plane often elastic band exactly and so that's what they've used for quite long time but they came up with a better way of doing it and for the most modern kinds of aircraft carriers the newest clawback of cameras that they building they came up with an electromagnetic version whereas in the old carriers first of all they were the they generated a lot of steam anyway for the engines and they had a section where they would take some of that steve often a story in another tankan and put it in a place where they where they could use use it to launch the planes so it needed quite a lot of infrastructure built into the ship to be able to do that it's going to be quite thick over thought because if uh holding the steam under pressure is a weighty tang there's a considerable amount of engineering that goes into it is heavy and it's it's complicated complicated and he said we've used it for sixty five years without any problems that they're all problems it's it's fixable you only people who work on the ship because it's designed to be effects on people work on the ship carrying something goes wrong you need to be able to fix it in situ freaks the thing the thing with the new electromagnetic ones and is that it needs a lot less ship space to be able to do to have a section underneath the deck where essentially what you've got is a series of of magnus it's electromagnet which you which turn on and off in sequence to pull a an electromagnetic carriage alone to launch the plans that takes less space underneath the ship it doesn't require separating out steam from the power of the ship basically as well so we'll infrastructure is gonna slot nighter also it's a lot more just with steam basically they push the button and and this team goes and that's it once you've pushed it your your plane is going that fast with with the electromagnet ambi- adjusted all the way along the deck so if if my seventy five percent of the wheel on the deck he hasn't gone off speed dramatically it will increase the speed to make sure that that's happening it can launch heavier planes than there aren't really able is an aunt with the steam system and it can also don't lie to once they're able to currently launch with the same system that jenner art by this team sister rasha russia the dealer one uses can be adjusted so much yes when you're developing something like this there is a huge cost to doing that to developing and getting it right and and have been problems in the testing of doing it and it did run intensive budget but it will end up being a lot cheaper and it also usa yeah and a and a lot more flexible and a better solution to the puts a lot less strain on the frame of the plane as well because it isn't a sudden sudden acceleration from zero to two fast as it can it can be worked so that it starts slower and then accelerates to the speed at needs to get okay so by doing that she mean the planes all last longer as well so you save an enormous near stretching the place yeah the trouble is that trump doesn't take any of this stuff into account he has seen this thing oh they're having problems with this electric thing let's just use steam it was fine yeah yeah well there were lots of things wrong with it and to dismiss it on the basis that in the heat of battle electric is quite as well because he's saying i can only on be safe in battle because it'd be delicate but that's just because he hasn't thought about the fact that maybe the people who designed aircraft carriers might think of that is is is the rest of it not running on the electric city like the the radar and the sewn on the communications through the IRS those things world about on the top of the thing just just theme so just because something has been used for longtime doesn't mean the new thing isn't isn't worth during our final trump example is actually from kellyanne conway it's came out with the over the adding the citizenship question to the census she went on and said this why can't we just ask the question the way it was asked for fifty years before the obama administration yanked it out of their we've we've been asking questions like this the american community survey every fifth year asked a similar question even if all of what she said was true just because it's being you know for a long time doesn't mean it's right to be asked doesn't mean that the reasons they want to ask it all legitimate valid reasons and it doesn't make a good thing to necessarily do now you still have to evaluate whether it's the right thing to do now actually as usual it's quite amazing how many bits of the show sentence wrong because she said she said they've been asking for fifty years until obama uh-huh yanked out the survey so first of all it was asked from nineteen seventy two two thousand which is thirty years or fifty years it was taken shaken out before obama go into office in two thousand and five and it wasn't even asked on the full survey the full felt full census goes to allow sold also in the US and the citizenship question was based on the longer form survey the goes out with the census assist to about seventeen eighteen percent of households and asks more details the the main sense has not that many questions the last one had about ten questions on it and it's just basic information about who lifts the who's their only specific day when you do the census basically is a count an enumeration of people in the country so the the more information that they asked that goes on a longer form questionnaire which you also have to fill in and it does give them information but it absolutely doesn't cover the entire population wouldn't give them anywhere near the kind of information they want in order to justify reducing the funding funding they give to areas where they're less naturalized citizens so she also says that they've been asking every five years on the american community survey first of all they've been asking every year on the american community survey because that goes out every every five years and also that only goes out to about about one point eight percent of the US population so that is nowhere near the kind of information that they get from the senses it tells them stuff about the general makeup various various but it's no anywhere near the kind of information they want it to get by being able to put a question to ask are you a citizen is amazing in twenty three seconds twelve second there's imagine it's quite impressive and and she manages to to concoct a the obama because it's saying the implication of things being done a long period of time traditionally we always doses until someone yang jiao on the implication is taking our is a bad thing because purely on the basis that has been done for fifty or thirty not your one hundred and twenty four straight times on the long form section of the census was two thousand i was asked on the ACS was two thousand five which was before obama was she like and she says it's so cheerfully she's the cheese the archetypal chilies evil twin cheerleader and now is the time i think marks british politics order well had to happen boris is the new communist moorland he's and so this is on the steps of number ten a major speech saying i've been saved queen as is tradition and angie ngos asked me to form a new government and i accepted and all that stuff so i would listen to this thing which is just an amazing on slow law of rhetorical trickery really and i was listening throughout new there would be an appeal to tradition and he says this after three years of unfounded self doubt it is time to change the record to recover our natural and historic rick role as an enterprising outward-looking and truly global written generous in temper and engaged with the world no one in the last few centuries has exceeded in betting against the pluck nov and ambition of this country entry wow so it's quite a generous way to describe the natural and historic role of britain particularly the engaged with the world engaged setback for anyone that y'all flags to places and god yes this is now recovering so he's appealing healing so he's the most of the rest of the speech has been about finally now that theresa may has gone and we haven't got the ball with that pesky deep withdrawal agreement we can just leave with no deal which is why i think he's what's going to happen and the other day he kind of does his backhanded argument from antiquity when he says no one in the last few centuries has succeeded in betting against the puck of of out of little britain so it's basically saying for centuries we have been plucky and we've had the nerve to go ahead as a small mole nation and you know i wave punch above our weight so this is this notion the whole of the brexit thing i would argue you as an appeal to tradition it's the white cliffs of dover it's being singing there'll be bluebirds over the spitfires throwing across these henry the fifth fighting once more unto the breach it's all that follow tradition staff off the is fueling how we don't need to be a vassal state we're not a slave rule britannia where you know britain never never never shall be slaves it's that notion that we are in charge and he's so bought into that because because he thinks he's winston churchill who used the same rhetorical devices to keep people going during the war he's so boarded into that the he can't help believe it he believes the hype and he thinks that no more required of them thanked to just reminded going to some of these things and everyone will fall into place the whole of europe will just go yeah geno what you riot the not going to they just going to see it as is bluffing bluster and sound and fury signifying nothing so my second example so it's the occurred to me that of whoa need to be balanced as a as a right-thinking bbc journalists needed you balanced in all things so walls boris's been becoming when the new promised everyone jeremy corbyn isn't and the whole of the right wing media seems to be out to get him one way or another and this me me must popped up a lot of seen on youtube of senior facebook senior twitter it's the five times jeremy corbyn has been on the right side of history story and what it does i think the implication is the here he is he's been doing this stuff which has turned out to be the roy thing and the basically the same past performance is a guarantee of future performance the very everything that investment companies always tell you to look out for when they go well yeah you know we have a history of the three percent return on your savings and then look at the end and the bottom it says past performance is no indicator of future performance particularly with the no deal breaks so what this meam listen sir all the fact that corbin campaigned against apartheid right he's soared through the dodgy dossier for the women's of mass destruction in the iraq war aw organiz biggest demonstration against it he was noted in pink news that he was in italy champion of LGBT rights he opposed the the introduction of university tuition fees which subsequently have gone up three times twice and he campaigned against austerity and the meme says at the bottom even his critics can't deny that coburn is a principled man on the right side of history and he yeah yeah yeah he conned the do they kinda you kinda go okay i can see that he is a principal people man and he has been on the right so history i suspect that just as with boris is thing there's a bit of cherrypicking going going on in there and you kinda go yeah they turn out to be the roy soit of history but they could just have easily not been you know the big because just because he did that and because i guess the the appeal to tradition is that coal been traditionally votes on the right right side of history so therefore we should continue to vote for him or continue to have faith and believe in him and he promised ultimately i don't think for arguing in opposition to political views go get a defendant side loyd wow see that's why i did it wrong lull yes i'm sure there is some cherry-picking going on here f this the list was produced in an intellectually honest way when it doesn't ignore times when he he was on the wrong side of history arguably or did things which could be seen as negative a fantasy it is an honest list which says look at all the times that the the made the right decisions and everyone actually these days now agrees with the things he did then and at the time they didn't i think is reasonable to say let this person has a record of making good decisions and and being a progressive and tolerant and good did unprincipled we can issue that's the kind of person he is and therefore will make similar decisions in the future the trouble is that these kinds serb lists are very rarely created in an intellectually honest way because the reason that created is to make a particular political point so it would always be one side saying all the negative things about a person and the and the other side saying well the positive things about them and they are kind of appealing to the weight of history sorry the weight of the individual's personal history within the realms of politics for these particular examples so that's that's the tradition that it's being appealed to your expected in a way to not question the validity of the list you just they just add one on top of the other and go did this if he voted the right way for that and he demonstrated against this and that shouldn't be done and you you're with each one it's another it's another brick in the wall it's another stone don't on the pile of antiquity we're going right well when we go and look at that particular pile of snuff the you know the man who made those decisions as a fine upstanding figure of our society and ought to be whatever leader or or he's this this pile of detritus detritus means he's a fine upstanding figure remanding you ought to be the leader and of course you can read them in either depending sitting on what your political persuasion is you can read either list to suit your own particular viewpoint so that you know the the the the tradition itself isn't a fixed thing you read it as tradition of will that just betrays his socialist extremism mizzima verging communism or that just betrays his adherence to one nation conservatism so it depends who's writing the history isn't it yeah yes exactly yes said about why blue i l we all the doors there with this is the end barbas inspired that because we are living in the end of days and and and then i thought well even though the doors were seeing that this is the end and francis ford coppola use it for clips now now it wasn't the end was still here i sit says fifty is on yeah it's still yeah and there's going to be another release of booklets now this summer in the cinemas really really re oregon us again and again so in the fallacy in the wild we talk about the fancy i see the week from a political perspective and well we're getting kind of slightly focal at school this week because is from parks and recreation and and in the pony indiana constitution they have a section talking about a tradition as has become or an event where they put tea into a body of water they wrote it in an ambiguous way and so it has become tradition to instead through a person called ted into a body of water and in this particular episode called article to ted objects to this uh-huh don't the ted right he says that's the that's the way it's always been done is not a good reason to keep things on yeah there's there's the counter right there there's no seriously that's what you've just say in this episode of recreation there is a bit of pushback from the community because they like to they like the tradition of it and actually they have a hearing about it and decide whether they're going to do about it and and they they come to an agreement that they will continue to do but it will be a voluntary thing that people can can represent ted and be thrown into the lake instead of ah just wrapping someone in the like so everyone is happy because traditionally is held the it's not infringing on some people's rights they say the says i've had a chat with all the other heads under given this tradition you would think that people would stop naming theodore we'll he says i don't even go by ted yeah yeah the second example in the world is from dr ause because this kind of alternative therapies tencent medicine uses the appeal to antiquity they should tradition lot lower on taking you to some of the world's oldest cures for modern day problems remedies that i i believe will change how you think about getting healthy from acupuncture for pain for chinese herbal medicine we are covering it all and we're starting off with secrets from an ancient unhealing practice from india it's called ir vetik medicine and it's all based on your body type so medicine has improved moved over time yet so the idea that medicine that was used thousands of years ago is somehow better the modern western medicine is insane you're purely because he'd been practiced for thousands of years prior prior to because it comes uh-huh basically from this idea that either it's been used so long it's been stick around set on because it worked which isn't how things work like that because of x. coatings of biases and stuff like that that mean people think this thing works until it's actually tested and then people go oh actually it didn't do anything but we have things now that do stuff and we can test them that they will but also there's this sense that we've kind of somehow lost this wisdom the old ancient cultures had that they knew they were imbalance with nature and they had they knew you new body needed and stuff and these days where somehow corrupted and we don't know stuff it's obviously it's it's complete nonsense we are able now to look how will something works and we have through that process dramatically increased life expectancies through through both nutrition and increase in ah efficiency of medicine and i still i can't understand why people still adhere to this idea that these these old answer take medicines work better in zenon the could much cyclamate since rob persic and if you haven't really read it he he kind of makes this distinction between classic and romantic and the classic view is of nuts and bolts basically he's the you know in the motorcycle moussaka maintaining he kind of quality doing that and the romantic view is are just want the thrill of the open road and all that kind of stuff so there's this this idea that modern things to carry says in the main characters friends john silvia and they have a dripping faucet forcet in their apartment and it's been dripping for all the years he's known them and they haven't fixed it because they say they can't be dealing with all that basically the AP's and they think that the dripping tap is a technology impinging upon the natural state state of humans the real way of us being in tune with nature and all that kind of stuff and yet what persic says is that it actually the buddha the god head is your exists just as much an internal combustion engine and a motorcycle gearbox as it does the mountain and a flower and why wouldn't it for me when i read the sunday when i get the day is this idea here that the people that hold that okay you have this modern medicine it may well cure everything it may will stop people dying of the simplest things but it means we're out of touch with the natural state of things that we've had for thousands of years and the only verification in all of why this is the natural state of things is because it happened for a thousand years so the natural state is to die of smallpox and all that kind of stuff so interfering with that is interfering with nature and that's wrong not is understanding what's going on affixing it yeah it's it's a bizarre belief that has well has been around for a long time and sustains unfortunately so i have an example which is an either too far away from politics so this is the british comedian stewart lee who we'd love you've talked about the UK policy there was a particular member of you keep cool pull nuttal and he was talking about immigration and and the influx of bulgarian workers into the UK and his statement was they should go back to where they came from which is you know don't like trump hayes was they should stay in bulgaria and see to the upkeep of the bulgarian economy they should do what they can to make sure that the bulgarian economy thrives before they leave bulgaria so stupidly julie does is we're here to listen to the before them four hundred million years ago when i fish trolled up onto onto the land land back in the c. you can't win you'll pay eh develop lungs and your hopes and dreams of tomorrow i can't my name's paul none of you and i say we nature insure the brightest and best fish staying assay concentra- on making a prosperous instead of coming up here on today land ah beginning the process of evolution that will eventually lead all so in a way he's kind of a tradition stay where you are because you've been there for hundreds of thousands of years millions is stay there that's where that's the good thing is coming out there with your fiend ways so we're gonna we're gonna play fake news folks i love the game it's a great game i understand the game as well as anybody as well as anybody fake news the game where i read out three he trump quit to which really what i made up and mark has to figure out which one is fake news and i'm currently i think you'll find if we look back at the past of this competition and you realize that i'm been winning combination of you losing wins on talk to me i was working perfectly perfectly this new changing a asean it must be very delicate in fact i'm practically halfway twelve twenty twenty i yeah sure these forty the moment opportunity to go up to two forty five percent i think with this one again this is even a row which would definitely be a record all my word that's you see i have a tradition in doing yeah four or more row so in we haven't really there's no theme this week as such but the last time we did this was from a speech that trump trump gave to the national republican convention committee and this is from the same speech because it was so crazy there was options for me the tradition of craziness speech so yeah why go anywhere else all their monks a statement number one i was in china and china's not doing well we're doing well we have all the records twenty two records i think we have and i said to president she i call him the king of china because he's the president for life so that means he's the king it's a great thing i wouldn't say that i'm thinking about that because that would be the big story tomorrow president trump says is he'll be president for life so i won't say that but we've sold millions and millions of hats state two wins not so good and you know you have no idea how expensive it is to make those things they're all made in china and germany by the way just in case you we don't make them here ever since the weekend made them here and by the way the carbon and all of the things flying up in the air you know the carbon footprint president obama used to talk about the carbon footprint and he'd khawpoon johnathan seven four seven with very old engines and heat flights hawaii to play a round of golf okay rather than going in a massive heavy car off or log statement number three cured sean now he's working on the reciprocal trade act if they charge us we charge them very very simple they charge us we charge them i think you're doing great on that show on i appreciate it man great job but he's the tree climbing you know these characters that go up the trees then they come down dan he said no going artists coming down because if you miss your dead he said he's missed about four times i couldn't get through that through that with that oh this right that's not sean spicer hi suzanne i'm just i'm just picturing sean spicer patry o. k. a all those things up in the air the carbon footprint why footprints in the air but the k. right but it is also crazy how can they be possibly not made up i k- winston good spent some real that well i think the president gee prison crystallized thing sounds convincingly familia sean patry one is just so crazy is going to be true on that basis i'm going to prompt the traditional saying the number two is the one you made up okay so of the of the a to which confidence number one okay so number one biz fake news oh wow were very good indeed wow nice that is perfectly thought appeared in the speech we've sold millions and millions of hats i thought that secretary was was for me as well oh yeah that's the thing we tony's hats president trump says he'll be present live is that i think i think he was talking about mega hats you know the kind info great yeah again king of the king of kings the america when they say to rickles noticed is is who who wins not so good and you know you have no idea how expensive it is to make those things they're all made in china and germany by the way just occasion we don't make them here essentially we don't make them i'm here and by the way the carbon and all of the things flying up in the air you know the carbon footprint president obama used to talk about aw the carbon footprint and then it hop on air force one a big seven forty seven with very old engines and he fly to hawaii to play around ago so only needed to say but obama did not fly to way to play around with gold cards enough ask new yeah yeah yeah whereas trump yeah they yeah but the carbon an owner the things flying up in the air say yes and also statement the number three that means that is true as well and sean now is working on the reciprocal trade back if they charge us we charge them i simple they charge us we charge them and i think you're doing great on john and i appreciate it man great job but he's the tree climbing coming you know these characters go up the trees and they come down he said no going up is the hard part is coming down because if you miss your dead and he said he's missed about four times he's presumably dead date we're off to the first one and then the other three the hell is asala power this is the sean who is a wisconsin congressman and and he is indeed a five time tree claiming champion no he he has been a competitor on the ESPN's great outdoor games the strongest man world's strongest man competition that we get here christmas probably concerned with those kind of weird things nobody except really built people with enormous do so showing al-zaanun he was originally he was on the real world the american emmett mtv reality tv show before when royalties but yes he hears a five-time tree climbing champion and former reality TV studies missed about four times yeah yeah the five yeah sound that's brilliant isn't it now he's where is now wisconsin congressmens now fantastic other lotteries in wisconsin leadership to climb bribes lumber county yeah wow how you so don't mind losing so that means yeah i find out the other two were really really appealing to traditional back and now i think only forty one percent which is still very good syllabus john's you're doing well it's time for the part that showed that this week at least is called melas testimony is not logical fallacy now let's see because this week great rover miller s muller third testified in front of congress in seven hours of testimony testimony new orleans to congressional committees and largely state within the bounds of his report which she's war he said he was gonna do and his testimony has had a lot of people saying that oh it was very total letdown it wasn't an it wasn't important that it didn't say anything wasn't what the democrats were hoping for and i think the the response is a bit like the midterms because it really depends whoa you're expecting from it if you went in in king model was going to say trump is a criminal if he if he wasn't president we would have indicted tim you should impeach him now then yes it was very very disappointing because he didn't say any of that stuff yeah but before he started he said and when he gave his original public statement in may he said i will not be saying anymore stuff about this is my statement i have have nothing more to say i will not be be drawn on it basically and and the justice department issued a kind of a letter saying that he was not allowed to they were basically putting executive privilege over everything other than what was in the room so he wasn't allowed to talk about anything else in his opening statement he said i won't be talking about anything that wasn't in my report i won't be talking about the origins of the report or fusion GPS or any of that stuff it didn't stop some republicans asking him questions about it largely the democrats asked him stuff about his report because he he you released also to read sound visible he wasn't going to say things and essentially i think he was just trying to avoid a soundbite he was trying to avoid section way you get melissa saying we need to get rid of trump and also each very and he's very mindful of being correct and not being able to be pulled up because if if he did do that even on one occasion then you can be sure that everyone within just rip apart the the integrity entire report on one occasion where he did actually say a little more than he meant is to say when ted lieu asked him if the only reason he didn't indict trump was because of the decision that you content i sitting president initially he said that that was the reason and then when he came back for another session he he actually made a statement saying although it's true that they will cede memo stopped us from indicting stops us from making a decision that i wasn't trying to imply that if there wasn't an LLC member we would've indicted i was just saying we didn't come to a conclusion based on that he was being very careful not to give any kind of sound by would make him the story the only on either side that would let him would democrats say look mother saying we should impeach all that the republicans say the monarch said he was totally exonerated very unlikely to happen and so he did stay well within scope of the report and he and he kind of slight destroyed around the corners of a couple of times but it did come across into some people and certainly this was the push from the republicans after that he was kind of hesitant halting and several several republicans including kellyanne conway and some of this claimed it was like he clearly has alzheimer's or something didn't they what was going on he didn't know the report he was he's obviously mentally deficient which i think is where they kind of they will they look at the top of the page oh no trump yeah so i'm gonna play a clip of jerry nadler's questions full miller and his response is and you can hear in this how difficult is for him together exactly the right whereas in fact you were actually unable to include the president did not commit obstruction of justice is that correct well we at the outset determined that we came to the the the president's culpability we need the two we we needed to go forward only after taking into account the LLC opinion that indicated that a president sitting president hasn't cannot be indicted so the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice is that correct that is correct correct and what about total exoneration did you actually totally exonerate the president so i mean he's very in the uh-huh is a weird double negative isn't it that kind of did no sir that you could not so well that's why audio miller is actually kind of he's trying to pass sentence he's trying to figure out exactly where the w how doesn't say the wrong and i'm sure you know this is definitely could be argued as my cognitive bias is my special pleading and i can see why the people on the other side look at that and look at him searching for the right word and think you know he's he doesn't they way saying he doesn't always talk him out but it comes across to me as he is being very careful about choosing his words and saying the right thing and he does not want to any point given give the wrong implication wants to make absolutely sure that the words he's choosing all the correct yeah against say the right thing so when he gets to the follow up questions are okay so does that mean that you couldn't find obstruction and you know and and does that mean you exonerated no so he kind of knows exactly what you mean yeah you can see they're going to pounce on and in fact trump did pounce johnson the and trump junior's poundstone the fact that when malakhov overstretched something came back and said i didn't wish to employ on trump tom said he changes his story he changed the story and you guess his story yeah bye bye clarify yeah one thing that he'd said the went a little bit they intended yeah oh he didn't wish he didn't accident it sounds like other people would imply he meant something else here which seems to me like the you know as its sign of a very good legal minds you know he's he's the adult in the room my sword cartoon in the new yorker maybe add on on a cartoon of moolah with these kind of genetic deadpan face as finks we thought whether it's quite good because there's finks is timeless intractable enigmatic and a damn good lawyer now this isn't a damn good lawyer that those all kind of traits of a very good lawyer these just he's rock solid in the face of all the what was tantamount to goading from the republican side with a desperately trying ah to the load of the republicans we using it as an opportunity to yell at him or push conspiracy theories about hillary clinton can conspiring barring with the russians somehow to make her lose the election whereas the democrats tend to use it as a way to get things onto the record to get things set in public they were reading out sections of reward saying is accurate he was saying yes for the most part or sometimes they were kind of trying to buy things the i oh i think the most interesting sound by ashi came from possibly accidental thing that came from republican ken buck who's i think colorado congressman was sufficient evidence to convict president trump or anyone else with obstruction of justice we could not make that calculation how could you not meet the calculation was we'll see opinion the oil c- opinion office lulu council indicates that we cannot indict a sitting president so one of the tools that are prosecutor would use is not there okay but let me just stop you made the decision on the russian interference you you couldn't have died the president on that and you made the decision on that but when it came to obstruction you through a bunch of stuff up against the wall to see what would stick i would not i would not agree to that characterization a- at all what we did is provide the attorney general in the form of a confidential memorandum our understanding of the case those cases that were brought those cases or decline and and that one case where the president cannot be charged with a crime okay but the could you charge the president with a after he left office yes you believe that he committed you could charge the president nine states with obstruction of justice after he left office yes really sad that ken buck stopped himself from saying you believe he committed thank you the replied to the movie set up the first question and then you say well how could you not oh no he's not getting that the the answer was you know fruit we're on obstruction we couldn't make a decision because we we weren't allowed to indict him and and kentucky saying but you made a decision not to indict on the collusion and what you could could kind of feel everyone was thinking here can they made a decision because there wasn't enough evidence et on collusion whereas on the strong they had to allowed to go check we've found so much stuff you know sufficient that way when he leaves off his that's when we'll get him are you still get the president once you've left but you've asked trump if he was concerned because i had said that he could be indicted after after he left office and trump just completely denied that had been said google the reporter fake news so we didn't say i'm going to be president for life so they didn't ever gonna the leave office and they should have done that so a lot of republicans they really did not argue about any of the facts and they did not try and push back and claim that the stuff that the obstruction of justice things that trump was being accused of were unfair or didn't happen or any of that kind of stuff they did dog you device tool they tried to argue melas kind of conflicts of interest and the the the team of angry democrats kelley armstrong argued the all the team were in favor of and against trump and marashi pushback on this you must be aware by now that's six of your lawyers donated twelve thousand dollars directly directly to hillary clinton i'm not even talking about the forty nine thousand they donated other democrats just the donations to the opponent who was the target of your investigation speak for the second to the hiring practices we strove to hire those individuals that could do the job okay i've been in this business for almost twenty five years and knows twenty-five years i have not had occasion wants to ask somebody about their political affiliation it is not done what i care about is the capability shape ability of the individual to do the job and do the job quickly and seriously and with integrity integrity he's yeah because it doesn't matter views such trump airing this isn't a we go yeah you because of your because your your of mexican origin than your your decision because you aura hanging minute trump used to be a democrat the trouble is this you can find someone who has never expressed a political opinion or donate it to any kind of political cause is only oh you saying in in cham strong trump or any of the second fans trump all they saying that the only people who should be allowed to investigate them all people who support oh exactly yeah registered republicans it's republicans because that's just as well that's trump's methods jesmyn winches choose people with integrity and then it doesn't matter whether ed for the set up in business for twenty five years which is probably longer because then you could be like awaits back kelly at that point going yeah when he was ten short pants and he it was in a boxcar yeah just getting his knees wells moldova's so yeah i want to finish with a couple of clips of adam schiff jeff because he opened by laying out some facts of the case and just getting to just accept that they were things that he had written back in the report and i think this is a pretty powerful action when you're investigation looked into these matters numerous trump associates lied to your team the grand injury and to congress number of persons that we interviewed in our investigation it turns out did lie mike flynn lied he was he's convicted of lying yes george papadopoulos was convicted of lying crew paul manafort was convicted of lying through manafort was in fact when so i encourage the other people to lie is accurate manafort's deputy rick gates lied accurate michael cohen the president's lawyer was indicted for lying drew you lied to stay on message with the president allegedly by him and donald trump called your investigation a witch hunt that was also so false was it not like to think so yes will your investigation is not a witch hunt does it is not a witch hunt that's pretty thank all of these people lied for don't lie to cover up things that they done along the way that's a message he responds to it he even detaches hatches himself from the response in a way it detaches himself from the truth of the matter because he says yes he was was convicted of having lied and then then shift says and he's a true yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's you're saying this is a fact this is something we are not yes i believe it's yes he was convicted of lying and then shifted ended with this conversely committed federal crimes or to help donald trump when you're talking about that a computer crimes in charge in our case absolutely the trump campaign officials built their strategy their messaging strategy around those stolen documents i generally true again he's making the case the even though there wasn't sufficient evidence to establish conspiracy no even collision yes as snobbish i'm just that wasn't that isn't legal term there wasn't enough evidence to establish conspiracy between trump and the russians they definitely established that the russians did into the elections the trump campaign welcomed it and built their strategy around the help that they were expecting to get from the russians yard complex clearer really that's a good message for two i mean it's a bad message really bad good message to get out to americans who who in some cases will not have heard that because he washed folks knees and finally some things we really don't have time to talk about in more could be seen as an attempt to distract the media from stories of former trump pal and noted peter falk jeffrey epstein trump appears to have picked over racism as theme of his twenty twenty when he campaign after telling four US congresswoman three of whom were born in the USA to go back where they came from trump and his sycophants of lamented that you can't disagree with minorities anymore more without getting accused of racism by the hyper sensitive leftists only thought this was america look if you tend to women to get back in the kitchen and make you a sandwich you're you're sexist and if you tell the person of color about where they came from your racist and if your best defense is to send creepy skinheads stephen miller on the sunday shows to tell everyone you'll have not racist you are you've already lost the occupant exactly the tradition right there and this week's what's trump i'm done the san mateo delusional embarrassing goes to solving india-pakistan kashmir problem rather making the problem worse india india and now at pains to deny that prime minister modi ever said anything to the white house is owned walter mitzi valley intervening on india's behalf in a conflict the disputed territory of kashmir which is run probably since politician in nineteen forty seven thanks to his unique combination of ineptitude and overconfidence trump may well have setback is a peaceful negotiations continuing by the siam seventy odd years look donald justice pakistan's prime minister imran imran khan gave up cricket to become a politician perhaps you should give it all up and become a golfer or no wait a minute following the testament the house judiciary committee has filed an application to have the grand jury material minutes report unsealed committee chairman jerry nadler said on friday the committee is considering whether to exercise its full article one powers including constitutional GT power of the utmost gravity recommendation of articles of impeachment when asked if this is essentially the same as an impeachment inquiry napa said that in effect it is seems like someone got tired of waiting for nancy pelosi yeah because there was a whole bunch of stuff that melissa dot com talk about that because he's currently under investigation elsewhere on with the grandchildren in a brilliant switcheroo not seen since the latest ramones t shirt gag trump stood in front of adopted presidential seal at the turning point USA student teen action summit in washington DC the graphic quite blatantly though sadly featured the russian double headed eagle oh trusting award of cash in one claw and a fistful of golf clubs in the other a reference to the one hundred ten trips gopher news since taking office out about a million lean dollars a pop extra and increase security and travel and april brazil unum was replaced with the spanish for forty five is a puppet in truell turned turned in fact style of representative turning point you as i told the washington post that the fake seal was a mistake result of rushed online search but whilst the a group called the slip up unacceptable they maintained there was no malicious intent just when you thought the US don't do irony it was a brilliantly seized opportunity to show the seal that was created as a private joke but charles lazard who i did that the person who put up with either wadley incompetent or the best troll ever the way he said i love him always DD joe in johnny would have saved approval a whole gar trump has named richard spencer us s. his third acting defense secretary since january to be clear that's richard v spencer former secretary of the navy but given trump's newfound pride in white pride pride i must admit there was a moment where i thought maybe punishable white supremacist an old right for your head richard b spencer had been made defense secretary to be honest i did have to google it before i was absolutely sure and how fucking scary is that up to check and in a way oy kind of wouldn't have been surprising nothing last week nobel peace prize winner nadia mourad told old trump to his face in an impassioned explanation of the horrors she her family and many women and girls suffer drivers how terrorists kidnapped her and kills her mother and brothers he replied where are they now while the rest of the free world were hanging on to who are every word trump simply missed the importance of what she was saying i e that is is wasn't the be all end all merely the latest in a series years of similarly power-hungry spots still exacting similarly harsh inequalities in the region and rather than see the need for long term commitment to a global intervention chian on such things he was more interested in wash she got the surprise with the subject being move and i go to he penalizing leo adage i did like your grandpas no idea what you're talking about oh you were the first to escape maybe he's thinking oh i could escape arco in the prior to the peace bright by scaping escaping please all happily jump over the vaulting horse for hours on end whilst you donnie presidential bete noire elon oma we'll have some competition she's up for reelection next year and the republicans are fielding a candidate in the form of danielle stella here stellar at the recent event this is ben it could be eh it's gonna make he doesn't appear to be in any way particularly mentally challenged or anything like that so we're not making fun of someone who can't speak that's just just how she speaks wow i second amendment in america and stuff is mostly just man but stellar has all the attributes of a perfect trump acolyte aside from being every bit as erudite and coherent as trump himself she's also accused on conspiracy theorist and accused felon having been arrested twice this this year for shoplifting over two thousand dollars worth of merchandise if convicted she might have to drop out of the race due to a potential five year prison term unless of course trump changes the rules to let people governed from behind bars actually i'm a little surprised he hasn't done that already in preparation for his family heading in that direction ninety two thousand odd people people have spoken and they are point one three percent of the electro populace bringing back democratic control to the UK by voting boris johnson's to be the latest prime minister britain or is it a bank tweeted the united kingston which i guess is the joint commonwealth of a suburb of london and the capital city of jamaica jamaica with such a large mandate from the masses forest is not making the mistake to resume dealing calling general election our some higher less self-serving sense of integrity a need to gain a national mandate for her actions own our because as john chris in the guardian newspaper pointed out if if a developing country had just changed his entire government without an election we'd be calling it a coup and if that coup had been led by a man clearly unfit unfit for office who even his own family can't trust to tell the truth we'd be cooling that country a failed state but as this but as this this is the UK and the leader in question is boris johnson we plead the exceptionalism of first world democracy well it's good to know that boris is happy to continue to commit fallacies we've already covered in the podcast otherwise only cry so that's the full reasoning we have time for this episode you can and find shannon's at trump dot com and if you hear trump say something stupid in one to ask if it's a fallacy contacting towns on the content page if you think we've used the fellas AL cells let the snow and if you've had a good time please give review on apple podcasts stitcher or wherever you get your podcast and you can support the show on patron page at patient dot com slash f trump and can connect us another listeners in the facebook group facebook dot com slash groups slash finishes trump music is by the outposts and was used with permission mission so until next time fallacious trump will leave the last word to donald mommy
May 19th: Fort Collins Mayor Wade Troxell
"No cohn our tanner. Swint thanks for joining us on this Tuesday afternoon. Ryan Kellyanne doing production. Work Blunt show lined up. We'll get to a couple of news stories here in just a second In just a second but we do have a fun interview with Mayor. Wade trucks the Fort Collins Mayor. Very excited to talk with him. There's big news coming out of Fort Collins too. So that's something that will dive into and then restaurants reopening. It seems to be the talk of not just the town. I think it's the talk of the nation right now and in. What way will they open will dive into that as well? Look back on what Governor Police is supposed to be putting out some guidelines here before too long. He said that yesterday that it would be sooner rather than later For these guidelines to be coming out but we have not seen anything yet. He he did say was either yesterday or today. Still nothing from the governor as soon as we see it but we're going to look back at what his initial thoughts were and dive deeper into that. And then of course we get a headline that caught my eye. But let's get into this. Let's start from this first story. via thirteen ten K of K DOT COM multi billion dollar shortfall forecast for the Colorado budget State lawmakers are maker picking the best of two bad options in their quest to cut billions. Yes billions with a b from the next Colorado budget. The legislature's Joint Budget Committee says Revenue Forecast. From the governor's office shows. The state will have a multibillion dollar shortfall over the next year drew the Corona Virus. Outbreak forecasters say. The situation is likely to be even worse in the twenty twenty two year So scary stuff right off the Bat. But we knew this was coming right and now it's time to continue that innovation. We've talked so much about how the ingenuity and how people have gotten creative through this crisis while our government's going to have to do the same thing that's just the fact of the matter. There's only so much for NANTEUIL aid out there for everybody. Multibillion DOLLAR SHORTFALL. So you're going to see some cuts coming some major cuts coming when you're talking about billions and billions of dollars so that coming from thirteen ten. Kfi DOT COM. Let's jump to the Loveland reporter Herald Lamoure County clerk encourages voting early by mail to eat. Cova nineteen strain. This is something that we heard disgust between president. Trump and governor Paula's Or last week rather when they were talking about well they had the in person meeting and and president trump brought up that he is not a fan of the mail in voting. Colorado's implemented it. Both parties have agreed on it. They enjoy it and now Lamoure County clerk and recorder Angela. Myers is asking area. Voters to register and vote in the June primary election as early as possible this year to offset the procedural challenges posed by Cova. Nineteen this for Max Max. Levy out of the Loveland reporter Herald besides rules on gathering sizes and mask wearing the Myers. Anticipates will be enforced at polling places. She said the number of election judges allowed to gather in one place. We'll be limited quote we're going. We're expecting that is going to slowest down dramatically. She said Meyer said. Her office is working with the county health department setting up barriers so individuals may safely work within six feet or one of another. That is something that's been lost in. All of this is that eight is still an election year. I think it's been lost for for. Most people is that it is an election year. Not just a presidential election year but even at the local at the local levels whether it's city county. Whatever the case is there seems to be a lot of those political ads starting to run around that I know we all love so much. The article continue continues. She's still she said. Voters are being encouraged about early and by mail whenever possible to avoid problems at polling places. Election Day is June thirtieth and bounce will be mailed the week of June eighth voter registration may be created or updated online. Vote Larimer Dot Org if you're county Residents so that's something they're looking ahead at. It is something worth noting. Hit is an election year and cove nineteen is not going to just disappear. We know that. So something that They're already planning for that. Male in voting could come in even more handy this year now more so that ever. This is a little bit of a wacky story. Coming out of the Greeley Tribune by Noel Phillips former Bronco's wide. Receiver Cody Latimer. Fired shots assaulted friend. At Poker Game Affidavit says now this article if you read this. It's just insane working through it. Look we've get it. We've all had those rowdy nights With our friends whether it's poker whatever and maybe have one too many adult beverages. Mistakes happen but not mistakes like what? Cody Latimer did. This is just simply inexcusable. Former broncos receiver from two thousand fourteen to twenty seventeen is accused of firing shots and striking a friend on the head with a handgun after an argument during a poker game according to a Douglas. County sheriff's Office Arrest Affidavit This happened on Saturday He was arrested for investigation of second degree assault menacing illegal discharge of a firearm prohibitive use of weapons and reckless endangerment. The affidavit said he was really Saturday from jail on a twenty five thousand dollar bond. The wide receiver is he was still playing for the Washington. Redskins appeared on court on Monday via video This is the story. This is where it really got crazy. So let's let's lay out the story of what happened here. Lattimore asked his friend to organize a poker game and seven eight people attended which hey they stayed amended under the ten people gathering. So that's important drinking alcohol as they played the affidavit said at some point lattimore got into an argument with another person at the card game which was held at the friend's apartment the host then separated the two and kicked everyone out good job right about thirty minutes later. Latimer return with a black handgun in the pocket of his Hoodie. Latter pulled the gun from his pocket and waved it around threatening to kill. Everyone the affidavit stated he fired two shots near the poker game host and his girlfriend but did not point the gun at them. According to the affidavit. If you haven't got that lattimore briefly calm down and emptied bullets from the guns magazines. But he became angry again and told his friends. He saved two bullets. The friend Pin Latimer against the wall. Which is when latimer allegedly struck him in the head. The French suffered head contusion. Analyzer ration- on his face So we'll see we'll follow that along but man Former Bronco in some trouble this all happening in In Douglas County as well so that coming from the Greeley Tribune. We're in the middle of Today's headlines Different things that have been popping up This next story coming from Fort Collins Colorado do want to let you know we want to hear from you. Call us on the all-female hotline nine seven zero three five three thirteen ten nine seven zero three five three thirteen ten or you can text feed mill text line at three one nine nine six three one nine nine six any new texters. All you have to do to subscribe is text. Kfi To that number now. This is something that I'm excited to talk about because it's good news first of all but it's also gonNA lead us right into our next guest coming larimer. County wants lighter corona virus restrictions And this is something that's coming from sadie Swanson of the Fort Collins Colorado and as I noted now this this sounds like complete opposite of what they've been asking for right because they have been very strict with their guidelines and how they've implemented things but they have seen slower numbers they have not reached a high number of people. So this is. They're going for a and keep in mind to governor police to the beginning of all of this said that you're able to open up with restrictions if you get approval and Weld County made headlines when they said okay. Let's open up to let allow businesses to open up with social distancing guidelines without getting the governor's permission but it is in there that if you've got the governor and the health department's To Go ahead you could reopen. And that's what this is what they're trying to do. This is a quote from Tom. Gonzalez Lamoure County Public Health Director. All the public health measures and sacrifices. We've taken in Larry. County have been successful and flattening the curve by decreasing the number of deaths hospitalizations an ICU utilizations. Unfortunately the curve does not go away. Obviously because we know we're going to be living with us. That was the he ended when he says he does not. It's not going to go away. The health department will continue to collaborate with our hospitals daily to monitor capacity triggers and are pleased that we can slowly reopen business ahead of the statewide safer at home restrictions. So this led obviously to my next question. How is it going to happen? What's IT GONNA look like? And we've seen some of the things with the major league baseball. We talked about that yesterday. No SPITTING NO HUGGING. No licking of the fingers. How are you going to force that? I have no idea but Let's talk about how they're gonNA enforce this public gatherings that was the first one right. We're only allowed ten people or more. This ordinance if is approved they were they put this in Friday for approval from the governor that would allow for public gatherings of more than ten people. Participants can maintain six feet of distance from others. At all times. Gatherings would still not exceed fifty people but up to fifty people which is encouraging face. Coverings would still be required in some sort of registration system would be in place to allow for contact tracing if necessary. This is where I've been hearing a lot of issues of people going to be tracing us. They're just GONNA WANNA know if they can get a hold of you. If there's an outbreak that takes place if you were there they wanna be able to let you know. Malls is something that is looking at opening the one that I'm interested about and you know what I I think we'll save. This is restaurants and bars. And that's an interesting one because we're going to dive into that later on in the program about how things are going to open up and what is GonNa look like when things do open up and what the possibilities are so many different things so we're GONNA get we're GONNA get a little crazy with it. We're GONNA talk of the different scenarios that could be happening before we get to break here. Do say thanks to one of our great sponsors here as always the Jane agencies with US Jane on Crop Insurance or Jane Insurance They are making sure that you have complete coverage of your farm and ranch. The jeanine agents agencies are a full service agency specializing in farm products. Providing blanket coverage is indistinct areas of need. Whether it's Janine Freeman or terrier you can call them Jeanine Crop Insurance nine seven zero eight three or four eleven sixty or Jeanine insurance nine seven zero eight three four two thousand nine. Let's take a break when we come back on. The other side will speak with Fort Collins Mayor Wade trucks about his city and how things have operated for him. Don't go to. You're listening to no co- now right here. Thirteen ten. Kfi UNC bears target game coverage lives on thirteen ten. Kfi Noko now. Thanks for joining us here on a Tuesday afternoon as we got through our news stories. Now it's time for our featured guest joining me now. Very honored to be having him is Fort Collins Mayor Wade trachsel mayor. Thanks for taking some time and wanting to shine some light on how your city has handled the cove in nineteen pandemic kanter glad to be on the show and Glad update you on what's going on in Fort Collins well You know like Like everyone else in the and you know we since about mid March or in a whole different world and with that Fort Collins is Basically You know gone through the the stay in place orders. And now they're safer in place and and And being a community of about one hundred seventy five thousand people and High-tech community with a lot of technology companies and and Colorado State University About THIRTY TWO THOUSAND STUDENTS. You know that has a lot different kind of Implications says it's a impacted four collins but you know in terms of there's two aspects to The Kobe nineteen pandemic is one is the health aspect and and I can report Lamoure. County and Fort. Collins has Done very well in terms of E- comparatively in terms of I don't know the exact numbers but you know. Four hundred and thirty five something like that with positive. Koga cases Over that time and then about nineteen deaths so each death that that's an unfortunate but I'm GonNa put you on Speaker because Harris on here so make sure so anyway So Anyway You know we're working through the health aspects and now We're actively Beginning to step down and You know basically You know social or physical distance inside like to consider it's an important part along with have facial coverings and Fort Collins so where you can't socially physically distance. And then you know all the good hygiene aspects but I really credit the people of Fort Collins Amer County for really keeping me. You know basically knocking the curve down and and That's where we are today with the health part of it well in mayor. You know Some would say the restrictions were a little more strenuous inland county. I don't think there's any doubt about that but it seems to be paying off now as Larimer County is now asking for for lighter. The lighter corona virus restrictions from the guy from the state government right so number county. Health Director Tom Gonzales has made a request for variances With respect to a number of different aspects and con consultation with our business community or chamber of Commerce and others in terms of considerations for variances with respect to Our businesses opening up. And I think that makes complete sense where There's a deliberate process to think about How do Safely engage in the opening up and and I was on a call earlier today with the with the health director and and You know I think for the most part We've been very much aligned with with the actions as well as You know the reasons why and and I think that illustrates I think the The numbers in county speaking with for Collins Mayor Wade trachsel and mayor as we look at this you mentioned some of those numbers substantially down from some of the other areas around northern Colorado around the state. However I don't envy your position I think That all of our elected officials are working through things that they would have never seen coming. How is that communication process? Ben and how is that working relation Working Relationship Ben with you talked about the county health director and the county commissioners. There's so many different plays. How has that worked in Lumber County? Well I think reasonably well I think at the that We're right in the middle of it so I think that You know we'll reflect upon When we get through this and and improvements that sort of thing but I think for the most part it's worked Reasonably well You know and it's you know being in only the second inning of the game. It's hard to talk about the game ends but I think it's It's worked reasonably well. We have our emergency operation center. That is one of the main coordinating factors in Lamoure County and that includes the city of Fort Collins our Ese point of contact as well as Lamoure County and and and other jurisdictions and and I think that's worked reasonably well and and addressing The initial You know two two and a half months of the Of the covert then Demi can and I. We continue to have weekly calls and you know. Now we're focusing on the recovery aspect and and how do we You know for again Fort Collins. I think How we open up our University and our community colleges and so forth such that Thirty two thousand students coming to campus in the fall that What we want to avoid And I think at a great cost would be Second wave and having to go back to the lockdown and so I think our best strategy is to is to go slow and steady with respect to the stepping down And Begin and having the testing and the Tracing and the isolation in place such that for the next year and a half or two years. That'll be a more of a new normal if we can Avoid the second way and You know Pandemics of the past have shown. That's a that's a tendency particularly Gets into the colder months. And so you know I think now it's I'm I'm really proud about our businesses. How many have pivoted? And how many continuing to provide for key Goods and services in our community and as we open up. They'll be Very creative and how. They're operating their business. Such that Are citizens of our community and guests can be a safe place and And Joy all that four collins has to offer during the summer months as we continue our conversation here with mayor. Wade trucks of Fort Collins in mayor. What you know communication now more than ever is so vitally important no matter in which direction it's flowing But especially from your office to your citizens. What what is your message to them. As is the analogy. You used was where the second inning of a nine inning ballgame. This is starting to wear on some people. What has been your message throughout this. But especially now's we started to progress. Well I think it's one of of empathy. This is hard on everyone. whether it's from a health perspective lives or with lively and and And something that We haven't seen in our lifetime for sure and I think there's a sense for empathy and understanding and caring about each other and reaching out those best we can. It may not be physically but You know in carrying about each other you know. I think the other thing is being honest and authentic about the situation that we have but also being Creative and and Innovative as we look to our future. And that's part of the ethos of Fort. Collins is being creative and innovative and thinking about solution so one. There's a a quite a number of projects going on with Colorado State University or one health institute and and The Center for Disease Control Another's on on backsied and and things That can not only help Fort Collins but hopefully Colorado the United States in the world. And that's the kind of spirit that we have here in. Fort Collins is people carrying about people and also we have very creative people and also very innovative people and and You know it's it's it's You know it's it's It's trying to respond appropriately or to the time and and as we enter the recovery that we do the thing that We avoid the hard downside but we also focused on the silver lining of of where we're going in the next us Three months six months nine months and a year so think. It's a combination of empathy Being the authentic and truthful with one another and particularly from us as leaders within our community and then one really looking to the future. And and how can we Make our community more resilient for the future. We'll MIRA and I'll open it up to let you brag on on CBS. You a little bit over there. They've been in the news like you mentioned talking about Talking about possibly finding a cure finding vaccine And not only that but when when it was dire for the PPI the personal protective equipment ceus. You really stepped up and I know you've got a very close relationship with you bet. Well you know it's amazing. The kind of People that are at sea issue. And the kind of expertise they have. Oftentimes they're more known globally than they are right at home and and and bringing that kind of expertise particularly with regard to Do An audit diseases humidity level epidemological You know things that that We don't usually See on the front page every day. But now they're part of our everyday and there are a lot of great people at Colorado State University and And it's a great resource for Northern Colorado for sure who last week would have been a graduation. I believe correct. That's right so Last week was Graduation and and The A lot of virtual graduations and and Making a proclamation tonight about to graduates of twenty It's a memorable time They should all be congratulated for their accomplishments that they made. They won't forget about this time in many different ways in the future. It'll be permanent bookmarked in history. And and Congratulations to all the graduates. A high school and College at UNC Colorado State University at Community Colleges. Congratulations for all the Your accomplishments so far completely agree couldn't have set a better mayor way trucks. Okay last question moron. A light hearted note Mayor with let's skip ahead to win ever. It is when this is all done. Things are open backup. We've are safe or confident in in where we're going with things. What's the first thing that you're going to do when everything gets opened back up over there you know? I think I I think we're all We appreciate things even more today. I think that ability to travel to see one another I'm very much. I think the nature of being a mayor people person and and Being at home all the time is not necessarily in my normal nature but I think I love being out in the community. I love meeting with members of our community. And and the great things that they're doing and You know that's probably the the the thing that For the most I completely agree. I can't wait to get back to one of your great breweries over in Fort Collins as well excited for that to open backup mayor. Is there anything that we missed that we need to need to talk about? I I really do appreciate your time with me this afternoon. I know you're very busy man and I do want to say thanks for the great work that you're putting in thanks. Dan appreciate the opportunity being on a radio with you today and I just like to thank our area mayors. That's another thing I would. I want to point out is that we are on a call weekly now where we share. what's going on. What's going on with the State With some of the federal programs as impact our communities As we talk about What we're doing for the health side as well as the economic side in in our community so we have a great bunch of mayors in northern Colorado. And I'd just like to give a shout out to them and thank them for their leadership at this time and and I appreciate the opportunity to share the story of Fort Collins at this time with you. Tanner Echo that sentiment. Hopefully we'll get you on again soon. And hopefully we'll continue to talk positive news. How's that sound? I love that that flicked. You make it better all right. Thank you so much mayor. Thank you tanner thanks. That's way trucks Fort Collins. Great interview really appreciate his insight on things very upbeat as well and I talked a little bit about that tie in with. Cs you and and that's something. That is I mean. Unc just had their graduation. I know as well. So yes you. And it's it's tough for those some of those graduates but Just keep in mind. The reason you went graduation party is going to be even sweeter when you do have it. I know it will you. You will have it eventually but Keep in mind the all those that work and everything was for that degree that you're going to be able to hang up there now so really appreciate a mayor. Mayor trucks will stop in. Do want to say thanks to one of our sponsors here. Proactive physical therapy locations in Eaton and in Greeley to learn more proactive. Colorado DOT COM. It's proactive COLORADO DOT COM Darryl Todd Kate and the gang at That's that's what I'm GONNA call him. Daryl Todd Kate in the gang. It sounds an eighties band but they do an excellent job over at proactive physical therapy and it's time to get healthy. Maybe a little bit more downtime. So you're GONNA go ahead and get that elective surgery. Make sure that the surgery surgery just first half of it. The second half is building back that muscle building back that strength and getting in good shape. All right Four thirty four the time here on Noko now. Let's get to the bottom of the hour news weather center while the whole sports story in northern Colorado state in the country tune into the whole show weekdays noon to two and thirteen ten. Kfi K looking back into no cone out love that interview with Mayor Way Trachsel First Time getting him on the program and I think that's something we're going to continue to do Because the mayor giving great update of love is tie in with you as well to be able to get a frontline. Look at what's going on in Fort Collins and look they took more of a severe Stance on this from the get-go and I think it surprised a lot of people that the numbers didn't didn't rise as rapidly in Fort Collins. Now you can look at a couple of things as well. I mean it's a. It's a very very much a college campus driven town so as soon as that as soon as everybody went home. That have there's so many different ways that you can look at it. But the fact of the matter is is that Blair county has requested Lightening of restrictions from the state. And we'll see what happens there but Great Great Conversation with mayor. Wait trucks will. That will be on the PODCASTS. That will be going up as soon as the show is over. He was our special guest for the afternoon. Let's dive into what has been again like I talked about at least for sure here. Northern Colorado and Seems to be across the nation. The talk of the nation is win will restaurants reopen. And what will it look like well? Part of the restrictions that Lamoure County is asking to get lightened include restaurants and bars. So let's first before we dive into what they think that this is going to look like. I think it's very important to look back at what the initial plans were. Because this is something that I've been even vocal I don't WanNa say criticizing but vocal about of changing the narrative from finding the key. Excuse me from flattening the curve to finding the cure. I've been vocal about that as well. The changing the narrative. So I wanted to go back and I thought it was interesting a month ago. I actually believe it. It was a little bit longer than that. It was April seventh Governor police had this to say when restaurants can return to an restaurant dining. It's unlikely that'll be at full capacity that a likely. How take table capacities? It'll be so they'll be Biden's like that and then we're going to monitor that and track that you know in real time so doesn't sound too far off right because that's something that has still been the narrative is that probably not going to open ran off the Bat That one hundred percent capacity in fact. It's not going to happen and I thought it was interesting because it lines pretty well up and Colorado say what you will about. The elected officials has stayed true to their narrative. It has been in in. What is the quote on quote? Unprecedented Times they've stayed true to the narrative whether it's governor polls whether it's the county commissioners Fort I'm speaking of of all the County Commissioners Weld County Larimer County Commissioners. They've straight true to their narrative and I think something has to be amended for that they have to be they have to be Applauded for that so restaurants and bars. Let's dive into this coming back out of the Colorado for Larimer County in addition to takeout curbside food and alcohol services which has been continuing on restaurants and bars would be allowed to resume limited in person service. Heard Governor talk about that. The county asked to open restaurants burris bars wineries and the like for in Person Services Limited to thirty percent capacity. So they're asking for for even a small number. These businesses can ask for an allowance of up to sixty percent capacity if seating can provided an outdoor Unin close space such as a parking lot or a city approved closed roadway to accommodate more seating. This is what I found interesting and actually governor pulls spoke on this yesterday. The state is going to wave every role in regulation. We can Including serving beer and wine on streets. So he's going to waive all that so. Those rules are gone out the window for a while and I. I applaud that because I've seen businesses here in Greeley. I've seen restaurants here in Greeley set up tables outside and space them up. They don't put chairs there. You're welcome to bring your own chairs. But they'll bring the food out to you or you can go in and get it. So they're doing it on different routes and it's absolutely working so thirty to sixty percent now. This is where it's going to get interesting because for a lot of restaurants a lot of breweries a lotta bars. Thirty percent capacity is still not worth opening up for. And that's where things get really interesting because if governor police in these guidelines that are expected to be coming out either today or tomorrow tomorrow or later on the week if he says thirty percent you're GONNA probably see a lot of Business owners maybe not a lot lot of restaurants rather maybe not open up yet and it's their choice obviously but starting to allow that. I thought that was interesting when they were starting to open things up. Thirty to sixty percent all seating must maintain the six feet of distance between patrons and Bar. Seating will remain closed that the reasoning being in. And I think this is important to talk about because the first time that I heard well. If you serve over certain amount of alcohol it doesn't make any sense to me that they were gonNA keep them. Close the the argument behind it. The logic behind it is that the more that you drink the more social you get the more you want to stay the more you WanNa interact. So that's the that's the laundry behind keeping these bars seatings close. We're talking about restaurants and bars opening here. Hear what you have to say All feed mill hotline 970. Three five three thousand nine hundred nights three five three thirteen ten but these restaurants Should take online or telephone. Reservations in employs should contact customers when their table is ready. No waiting in the lobby or by the door customers would have to wear masks at all times except for when they are sitting at their tables and will be asked if they have symptoms of covert nineteen. Anyone with symptoms would not be allowed in the establishment. So that's those are the restriction. Lift liftings that according to the Colorado Larimer County is looking for now. How does that line up with the rest of the state? How does that line up with? What the Governor has in store? I don't know but I would have to imagine it's pretty similar to this and in Weld County. There's restaurants that are open. They are taking the now i. I have not been to any of these restaurants that have been opened. That's I want to put that disclaimer author but Charles Charles Open According to the Tribune there's a restaurant up in pierce that is open as well. I have not been in but I know that I know for a fact that they've been busy. I contacted the owner of the Charro for an interview and she politely declined stating that. She's too busy They are hiring people back. So is there any doubt in my mind that win this lifts there's going to be this? Fear factor people. Not Wanting to go out. No I don't I don't believe that they'll they'll be a small demographic it's going to be the demographic that is at risk it's going to be the demographic that maybe Knew somebody that had the cove had that had cove in nineteen That could be scared to go out. And that's completely and totally fine but I think for the large majority of people there ready to go there completely ready to go from a psychological standpoint. They're ready to go now. The whole other argument could be the financial standpoint and Ken People They had the money still did they. Do they have the money to go out and spend it at these restaurants? Do they have the money to go out and Joined they're buddies at the bar when things open backup? I don't know I don't know and I think that's yet to be found out I'm going to be intrigued to hear what what the answer is to that question. I hope the answer is yes. But it's going to be interesting so This is something that is going to be continuing situation and will be continuing situation for quite some time but the governor the the whole plan everyone hearing and I've even heard some some rumors about restaurants whether we're those guidelines planning on opening on the twenty fifth. Now this Coming from Ashley Franko She is a reporter down in Colorado Springs. Following this rat very closely. This was yesterday. governor the governor said guidelines for reopening restaurants will come out either today or tomorrow which again has not happened. Some plans include opening up streets and sidewalks for people to dine outside practicing social distance. They talked about that. He says these guidelines are just showing restaurants how to open governor expects to have a decision on win. Restaurants will open next week. He's expected to have the decision. Likely on May twenty fifth restaurants will not open that day. Ashley says they hope to have a date. As to win they could open so that that's a whole nother can of worms. Is that if if you start to put these guidelines out the first thing if I'm a restaurant owner is going to be like I've got the guidelines. Why do I have to wait another two weeks? Let's fo it. I can get this implement. I can get this going and I know there's a lot of local restaurants that are ready to go. They are ready to get up and open. And I think that the restaurant and brewery Look at the Brewery. Scene is near and dear to my heart. I host brew talk every Wednesday night. I don't have this show Wednesday nights for four to five But from six to eight I have Brew Talk. And the brewery seen is is just getting crushed right now as are a lot of different industries but the brewery industry is getting crushed numbers. We're talking sixty to eighty percent of local breweries not being able to reopen and that's terrifying but the ingenuity that they have had that they've come up with the delivery of beer. You know the mighty Mighty River Brewing Got a chance to talk with Dan. The owner over there he he got he got a van. Just started I. It's almost like the ice cream truck going around right the bells going. In for all the adults he'd come out and get your get your beer in that way so the ingenuity has been fantastic but it is time to get these these restaurants back to what they know and what they love and that's having people coming in and eating and enjoying the food and and that's what they're ready to get back to so when will it be. My guess is going to be next. Monday is when things are going to start to open back up. And I think that that's going to be maybe more by the people than by the government. And that's where we're at in this whole thing so that's restaurants In and how? We think that those are going to reopen. That's just kind of an update while we're on the subject of business and how things have been affected by this According to OIL PRICE DOT com. You know I like to give a check in with this oil trading at thirty two dollars fifty cents at the moment. So you're starting to see a little bit of an uptake that way all right. Let's take a break when we come back on. The other hand will get the headline that caught my eye will recap the show and we'll we'll move forward and this headline that caught my eye. It's an interesting one sad one interesting. I'll let you decide. Don't miss it this Noko now right here. Thirteen ten KFI K. Thirteen ten KFI PREPS RADIO IS NORTHERN. Colorado's home for the past high school coverage. Put them back into Noko. Now I'm tanner swint Another fun show here today. Reminder were off on Wednesdays of five day workweek. Shouldn't I'm just kidding? We're doing other stuff we've got Clark Johnson with preps amid week from four to five every Wednesday so reminder were off but we'll be back on Thursday and Friday loading up great guests from around Northern Colorado speaking of great people from around Northern Colorado Mark Larson State Farm Insurance Agency. Mark has been serving Greeley at for. I think I saw the other day thirty seven years. That's just ridiculous. He's been doing it for such a long time at such a high level Mark Look even if you've got questions he's been around. He knows what the answer is. He's going to be able to answer those nine seven zero three five six eight thousand seven hundred ninety seven zero three five six eighty seven hundred. Tell me heard about him right here on no code now. So yeah I mean restaurants There's still stuff up in the air as his with everything related to Cova nineteen but it seems like we're getting also close to being able to To get those restaurants and those I'm excited for it. I'm excited to sit up out on the patio. I text one of my friends just the other day and said look. I'm excited to be out at Fuzzy's and having a Margarita out there you know or or the real war the tavern or whatever. It is very very much excited for that Four fifty six time which means it is time for the headline that caught my eye. Waterworld will not open in twenty twenty due to covert nineteen. You should've seen Ryan's face producer. Back there he just got so sad. As a lot of people will waterworld traditionally opens on Memorial Day weekend That's this weekend but on Tuesday announced the twenty twenty season is canceled due to Kobe. Nineteen this coming from Katie. Vr Dot Com waterworld said that after consulting with public officials. There's no indication that an aquatic park of its size and scope which operates with larger guest. Attendance will be permitted to open within the short summer operating season. Waterworld said it will make the following changes to passes Guest Services and all of that. They've got more information there The the owner of waterworld we previously previously shared that as a community owned summer destination. We pride ourselves on both serving our community and creating amazing memories and experiences for our guests and team members like safety and wellbeing of our guests and team members is as it has always been our top priority With this information gap in hand They've made the difficult decision. Say THAT TEN TIMES FAST. Difficult decision to cancel our twenty twenty operating season. We are deeply disappointed and this is not a decision that comes lightly ultimately though we care about our community and we'll do our part to get our great state of Colorado back on its feet. I'm not a big water park guy but still enjoyable right and it's just such an. I mean that's what you did in the summer. When you were high school you went to Waterworld. And just another thing That's going to be closing down for the twenty twenty years. So that's the headline that caught my eye. That has been such a such a destination for so many high school. You know so many highschoolers that well not even high schoolers families and adults alike waterworld. You've if you've lived in Colorado at least been there once maybe even if you don't like water parks like I don't. I don't like water parks. I think they're Kinda Nasty. But you've got to go once to waterworld. That'll do it for us here on this Tuesday afternoon as always make sure you give us a like and a follow on facebook Noko now. We're forty five Monday Tuesday Thursday and Friday so we'll be providing those updates get some fun coming up for you on the back end of the week. 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