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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"Well, by the way, if you've been watching the Tyson Fury Netflix documentary, Tyson Fury, I don't think he's ever going to retire, ever. He's going to say he's retiring until we're all dead, probably, but yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Fury-Usyk negotiations fell apart over rematch clause, right? They were okay on the initial, I guess there was some back and forth because Saudi Arabia first, and then it's in the UK, but it was more towards the end, it was about a rematch clause. It's a long way of saying, I think this fight can be resuscitated. And I agree with you, if you're Tyson Fury and you're watching Usyk Dubois, you're thinking to yourself, look, Daniel Dubois gave himself a shot to win with a decent borderline body shot there, I'm better than Daniel Dubois. I should be able to handle that version of Usyk. At least that's got to be what you're telling yourself if you're Tyson Fury in that fight. I have no interest whatsoever in Herjavec versus Usyk. I mean, Herjavec, the shine's really come off him over the last couple of fights. The Zhili Zhang fight could have gone either way. His last fight, Dempsey McKeon, whatever, that wasn't all that, it was just a ho-hum kind of performance. Guys like Herjavec, if you get in line and you put yourself in a mandatory position, sure, you should get an opportunity to fight for a world title. But I would definitely like to see the IBF, see everybody allow some negotiations to take place so we can potentially get Usyk versus Fury in the first quarter of 2024. All right, I want to talk about Terence Crawford, who has been on a victory tour since his knockout win over Errol Spence Jr. last month. And while we wait to see if Spence plans to exercise his rematch clause, Crawford has been openly talking about the possibility of facing Canelo Alvarez in his next fight. Here's Crawford discussing it on the three-knockdown rule this week. That would be my opportunity to show everybody how great Terence Crawford really is. If Canelo win that fight and accept my challenge and I come up to 168 and challenge him for undisputed in his weight and that fight happened, then, you know, man, I'm going to just show everybody, you know, that his skills pay the bills and I got the skills to do it all in that ring. So, Keith, I love this fight. I love it so much. I have no interest in, you know, beating up on the Charlo brothers tour. I have no interest in, I really have no interest in a rematch between Crawford and Spence. I do have great interest in seeing if Crawford can move up to 168 and beat Canelo Alvarez if Canelo gets through Jermell Charlo later on in September. I guess let's phrase the question this way. Do you think this fight's realistic? I mean, Crawford is aligned with PBC now. Canelo is aligned with PBC now. We still don't know who Canelo would face in the second fight of his deal. We know Eddie Reynoso has been saying Jermell Charlo is the target, but Jermell Charlo, who the hell knows what's going on with him? Is Crawford Canelo realistic for some time in the first half of 2024? It depends on who you ask. If you ask Terence Crawford, it absolutely is. If you ask Canelo Alvarez, it absolutely isn't. So Canelo feels like if he fights Crawford and he wins the fight, he'll get no credit because he'll have fought a guy who moved up three weight classes because he said unequivocally he is not moving down to 160 to 162 to 160. He's not moving down. So the fight would have to be at 168, which Crawford says that he is okay with doing. And that takes a lot of balls. I mean, not that I didn't think Terence Crawford didn't have that to begin with, but that's really saying something to move up three weight classes. I guess you could look at it this way, Chris. There was a time, now the fight was offered to Canelo to fight Errol Spence at once. I think it was 164, I believe. And that fight was offered to him and he didn't do it. And I think I remember him saying also, well, I'm not really going to get credit because he's a welterweight moving up and all that kind of, but he didn't completely dismiss it, I guess. I mean, it was something that, oh, who knows what could happen in the future. So I guess if you look at it that way, well, if he could have fought Errol Spence, he could fight the guy who beat up Errol Spence, you would think. But Canelo has been pretty adamant about this, that he is not going to fight Crawford because he just thinks that it's a bridge too far for Crawford and he's not going to get credit for doing it and kind of what is the purpose of him doing it because he can make a lot of money fighting other guys. Maybe he's got his heart set on us because of course he feels like beating Jermell Charlo, no questions asked, who that second opponent would be. Maybe he's got his mind made up as it relates to that. Of course, he's not sharing that with us, but maybe he feels he knows who that second opponent is and he's not going to entertain Crawford. And then Crawford could be bound to this rematch with Spence anyway, which could take you through the beginning of 2024 and then, you know, Canelo is probably not going to fight until May anyway, so it would align that way. I would like to be more positive about it, Chris, because, you know, just for the sake of history, I'd love to see if Terrence Crawford could pull that off. I mean, every time they say Terrence Crawford can't do something, he goes and does it. I mean, this is a big ask. I mean, to move up 21 pounds to go beat Canelo is a big ask, but he might have another. What if Jermell Charlo wins? I know that you feel that he has zero chance to win. I understand that. Let's just say he wins. Well, then you have the guy who beat Canelo who has this rivalry with Crawford and is a stable mate of Errol Spence. Well, then you've really got some drama there, right? And Jermell Charlo, I would think, wouldn't demand that he comes up to 168 pounds and then Crawford only has to come up how much of a weight they decide on, he would come up. Well, then you have Canelo still the biggest star in boxing. I'm not discounting that as it relates to who Crawford could fight, and it would be a much bigger fight if he fought Canelo because Canelo, again, the biggest star in American boxing. But imagine if Charlo wins, well, he'd have to beat Canelo twice because there's a rematch clause in the contract, so let's start with that. He's got to beat him twice. So Crawford will have to fight someone in between if that were to happen. But I don't think that if Canelo, the favorite fighter, does win, I don't think that Terence Crawford is going to be Canelo's next opponent as part of his three-fight deal with PBC. Well, thanks for throwing some cold water on that, Keith. Good to talk to you. I'm here to bring reality to the podcast, my friend. Come on. Well, hey, speaking of reality, I don't believe Jermell Charlo can win. I've said this before. I'll say it again. I see no pathway to victory for him. I saw a guy that got beat up pretty good by Bryan Castano. I think Canelo is levels better than Bryan Castano, and I think Canelo is going to do to him what Castano couldn't, and I think he's going to finish him off in that fight. You make a good point about the rematch clause, so we'd have to wait until summer fall of 2024 to potentially get Crawford against Charlo. But if Canelo wins, use the word credit. Does Canelo get more credit for fighting Jermell Charlo in his next fight versus fighting Terence Crawford? Because we'd be talking about a Jermell Charlo that would be at that point close to three years removed from his last fight, if you fast forward to May of 2024, who has not looked impressive in the previous fights he's had. Would he really get less credit for fighting Terence Crawford than he would Jermell Charlo? It's a good point, Chris, but one, I don't think that if Jermell Charlo fights him next, he will go directly into that fight. I think they will find some sort of tune up for him on Showtime or something. He can't go, you know, he can't come off what would be, like you said, almost three full years out of the ring and fight Canelo. Of course, you would have the grudge. Let's say he beats Jermell. You have the grudge match aspect. He's coming to avenge his brother's loss, but if you hear Jermell talk, they're not even on speaking terms now, so I don't know what matters exactly. I mean, things aren't good between them. His girlfriend and his wife got into a fight that they spent outside of the arena. When Jermell was doing the two-city press tour and he was doing a whole bunch of interviews and stuff, he said he at that point had not spoken to Jermell since that happened. I think maybe two or three weeks had gone by from that point. He hadn't spoken to his brother. Regardless, I don't think that Jermell Charlo would go into the Canelo fight if Canelo beats Jermell Charlo and is looking to fight Jermell next. Having said that, who knows how he's going to look in that fight because he didn't look particularly good against Juan Macias Montiel, who was blown out by Carlos Adamas, so I don't know how anyone could say with any certainty what to make of Jermell Charlo at this point in his career. If he comes back and he scores an impressive knockout, at least he would establish some sort of momentum going into that fight, but if it's not him and it's not Crawford, I mean, I don't know who Canelo would fight in that second fight because it's not going to be Benavidez or the winner of the Benavidez-Andrade fight, and it's certainly not going to be David But yeah, I see what you're saying, though, because no one knows what's left of Jermell Charlo at this point, so how could you say you would get more credit for that than beating, who I believe is the number one pound-for-pound fighter in boxing, and I think most people should believe that at this point. It's a good point, but he, again, would have to come up 21 pounds in weight, so that's a huge factor. Canelo, he's a very hard puncher, and he's used to absorbing punches at that weight, and he fought at light heavyweight twice and didn't budge, so again, it's a huge ask of Terrence Crawford, but it would be a fascinating event, a fascinating fight to see if Crawford could do it, but based on the way Canelo is talking about it, I just don't see it happen. You know, I think we, and just speaking abroad, we have to come off the idea that Crawford, you know, would be, everybody would downplay a win over Crawford. Maybe people would after the fact, but I just, I can't get excited about a Jermell Charlo fight, even if Charlo is coming off a win over a Maciej Sileski type. I can't get excited about that. Of the available opponents out there, and I'm excluding Benavidez and excluding Morrell because, as you point out, he's probably not going to fight them in May of 2024. Terrence Crawford, I think, is the most marketable opponent, and I think the opponent that he'd probably get the most credit for, because Terrence Crawford is the number one pound-for-pound guy now, and Canelo Alvarez, he could be sold as former number one pound-for-pound, still believes he's at the top, now fighting the guy who is at the top. I just think there's so many ways to market it, so many ways to sell it, and if Crawford really is willing to do what he says he's willing to do, and I have no reason to doubt him, then that to me is just a phenomenal fight to make. I'm interested to see what happens in the aftermath of the Jermell versus Canelo fight and exactly how the pieces kind of fall into place. I guess the other thing we have to ask is, you know, is Spence going to exercise that rematch clause? Because if he does, this is an entirely moot point, right? Like, do you believe Spence is going to exercise that immediate rematch clause for either later this year or early next year? Well, I've been hearing conflicting things, I would say. I mean, he wants it from a pride standpoint, obviously. He wants his get-back, and there are people that I've spoken to, fighters, managers, trainers, that think that it would be a more competitive fight at 154 pounds. Who knows? Of course, it took a lot out of him to get down to 147 pounds, but I don't think that's wrong for him on 29. I agree. That's what he's going to tell himself, obviously, as a competitor and as someone who's never been in this predicament before, having to come off a devastating lopsided loss like that. Of course, he's going to say that. I don't know that it would be all that different, to be honest with you, but Chris, I just want to circle back to one thing you said related to Canelo, because I agree with a lot of what you said about marketing the fight and the former pound for pound king against the current pound for pound king, and that all makes perfect sense. But let's just say the Canelo-Charlow fight goes the way that you expect it to go, and Canelo wins convincingly. Okay, he just beat a 54-pounder. His next fight's going to be against a 47-pounder, and then let's just say he beats him. Who's he going to fight next, Tank? At a certain point, people are going to say, well, why do you keep fighting guys who are all these weight classes below you? Now, Terrence Crawford, in my opinion, is better than Jarmel Charlo, but you're not going to keep going down. And also, if you're Al Heyman and Showtime and you're trying to maximize this multi-fight deal with Canelo, I mean, continually having him fight guys with lower weight classes, I don't think is the way to really captivate the public. The Crawford fight is an anomaly for obvious reasons, right? But coming off, let's just say he beat Charlo convincingly, then go to the undisputed champion in the lower weight class. I don't know if you can sell that. It's 21 pounds. If they fought at 160 pounds, if they fought at 160, I might buy it more, but 21 pounds, I mean, oof. But you think a Jarmel Charlo fight is more marketable then? You think that's the case? No, I honestly don't want to... Like I said earlier, no one could conceivably say that they know what to make of Jarmel Charlo at this point. I'm not saying that's what you want. I'm just saying that it would be fascinating. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see it. I'm just saying, does it make sense from a business standpoint for them to do that next? Particularly if he beats Charlo in a way that you and some other people seem to think that he will. I'm not saying he's going to lose. I'm not saying Canelo's going to lose, but I think that's a real fight. So I'll say this, if you're rooting, not you specifically, wants to see Crawford fight Canelo, you really should root for the Charlo-Canelo fight to be competitive. Because if it isn't, I don't see how you sell against a smaller guy. What do you do to maximize? Danny DuBois just fought Oleksandr Usyk in front of 50,000 people. I mean, you could do whatever you want, I guess. You talk about maximize though, Keith, like what does maximize that second fight? I mean, if we kind of assume that Benavidez could be there as the third fight of that deal, what is an ideal situation for PBC and your attainment? I don't see it out there. You'd almost have to enlist like Jaime Munguia from Golden Boy or somebody outside the PBC universe because inside, cross your fingers, nope Demetrius, Android wins. I don't know. I don't know what the opponent is for him there. That's been a problem for months now. We've been talking about this for a while, whether it's going to be Jermall Charlo or somebody else. That second slot has been something of a mystery since Canelo announced this deal. I don't know exactly where he goes in there. Even though there's a 21-pound weight gap, I would get really excited to see Canelo versus Crawford. I think a lot of people out there would too. Now, after the fact, we may say, oh, you beat up on a smaller guy. But going into that fight, I think there would more interest in Canelo versus Crawford than there would be in Canelo versus anyone else, including David Benavidez, I think. Now, we might sit there and agree that Benavidez is a tougher fight. But in terms of marketability, I don't think Benavidez Canelo does better than Canelo versus Crawford. I just think it's on two different levels marketing-wise. I'm not sure about the Benavidez one, Chris, because there's nothing to disparage the Benavidez-Canelo fight. Benavidez is actually bigger. Obviously, they're in the same weight class, but he's the bigger guy. He's the younger guy. But in terms of known commodities, right? People know Crawford now. Of course. Yeah. But again, I don't think you can discount the 21-pound weight advantage that Canelo would have, whereas Benavidez would be viewed as the young killer, the bigger... Now, I'm not saying Benavidez wins that fight. I'm just saying he's a naturally taller guy who's on the come up. He's been fighting as a professional for a very long time for someone who's 26 years old, but he's 26 years old. That's a good question. I think Crawford, because of, like you said, where his marketability is coming off this incredible win and the surge he has enjoyed over the last few weeks, it would do good business. There's business, right? And it would do much better business than most with Crawford involved. And so you make a good point. But I don't know if it would... The Benavidez fight, people really want to see that. And you know how it goes on both sides of it. People build up all this nonsense that doesn't exist, like Canelo's running from Benavidez. He's like, yeah, I mean, the guys want everybody. And I think he'll eventually wind up fighting Benavidez. I mean, it's a good narrative for Benavidez's camp to play off of while you're waiting for this fight. But Demetrius Andrade's not an easy fight, you know? Look out for Demetrius Andrade. I'm quitting this podcast if Andrade beats Benavidez. Jesus Christ. Oh, look out for my guy, Demetrius Andrade. Live dog in that fight against Benavidez. He's going to do some things in that fight that I think will make Benavidez look bad. May not win, but I think he's going to acquit himself well in that fight. That's a conversation for when we get closer to that fight actually being finalized. I want to ask you, Keith, about Jared Anderson, what we saw from him this past weekend. Picked up his second win in the last two months, stopping Andrade Rudenko. Anderson, one of the best heavyweight prospects in all of boxing, maybe the best heavyweight prospect in boxing. He's ranked in the top 10 by three of the four sanctioning bodies, being moved pretty well, and being moved pretty fast by top rank. When you look at his future, we mentioned FA Iqagba. I think that'd be a pretty interesting fight for Jared Anderson. But how close are we getting to Jared Anderson getting a significant fight? Well, I guess we'd have to define significant fight because Usyk and Fury are off the table, right? I mean, those guys, he's not, I don't think he's ready for that necessarily. And I don't think he's in position to make that happen right now based on what they have going on. So yeah, then who does he fight who's not too dangerous? Because look, he can tell you all he wants that he wasn't hurt by Charles Martin. He was hurt not once. He was hurt twice by Charles Martin in the fifth round. The middle minute of the fifth round, he was buzzed by the left hand and he responded very well to it. And maybe it was a little lack of focus toward the end of the 10th round. But he got rocked with another left hand where if Charles Martin had another 20 or 30 seconds to try to follow up on that, the conclusion might have been different. So he was hurt twice by and there's no shame in getting hurt by Charles. Charles Martin is a huge puncher. I mean, he's, you know, people think what they think about Charles Martin based on the Anthony Joshua fight, but he's a huge puncher. Big guy, almost had Luis Ortiz out and has been a solid heavyweight. So it was a good comeback win for Jared Anderson. You know, he did what he was supposed to do with Rodaico who had never really been stopped, stopped. You know what I mean? So it was a good win for Jared Anderson and exactly what he needed. And he came back on only seven weeks, you know, only seven weeks after he fought the toughest fight of his career and went 10 rounds for the first time. So give him credit for that. So who does he fight, Chris? Really? I mean, because they were, look from the top rank perspective, they were at, if it wasn't next, it was going to be the following fight. He was going to fight Zon Kasabutski if Kasabutski beat FA Jogba. Now, obviously people would say, well, then why can't you just make FA Jogba against Jared Anderson? Well, because they have the same management team they're friendly. And I know people hate hearing the friendship stuff because you know, that's the boxing business basically, right? And a lot of friends have fought each other, but they do have the same management team looking out for their interests and everything. And they both have kind of said that they're not going to fight each other. So the fact that Kasabutski did just utterly baffling things on Saturday night and through his career down the drain for the most part. So they don't have that built-in guy with top rank for Jared Anderson to fight right now. So it's going to be interesting to see who, because he's going to fight probably one more time before the end of the year. And if he does that, it's going to be interesting to see because Kasabutski is no longer available to him. And FA Jogba is not for the reasons I just mentioned. Where do you go? Right? Do you bring a British heavyweight over? I don't know. I don't know who you bring over to fight him. Probably have to. I mean, you probably have to, you have to look overseas where there are some heavyweight options. I mean, I don't know if he's ready for like a Joseph Parker. I'd love to see that fight. Maybe a little bit too far at this point for Jared Anderson. That's a really good, I think, heavyweight fight. Here's one for you, Chris, how about this? Okay. Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again on September 23rd, which well could happen. Frank Warren is Jalee Zhang's promoter who works with Bob Aaron. Would they put, would they put after what happened with another strong southpaw, another older strong southpaw, would they put Jared Anderson in the ring for an opportunity to win one of the interim titles and then become a mandatory? And would they pay Jalee Zhang enough money to make that happen? I would like to see that. Let me tell you something. Do respect that Jared Anderson, but if Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again, I wouldn't make Jared Anderson a favorite in that fight. I think Jalee Zhang wins. I think he's too strong and you can't knock Jalee Zhang out. Like he's just too big and he's got too good a chance. I know this is talk for a few weeks down the road because the fight's September 23rd, but guy's been training in New Jersey for 10 years and Lou Duva told me a very long time ago, there's something special about this guy and he's going to speak any English, but he does. And, uh, he, you know, he knows that he's not a real, real world champion, but he's on the cusp of making something pretty special happen. Um, and you know, people think negative things about him because of what happened in the Jerry forest fight. And they feel that he faded against her garbage when he probably could have won that fight and everything. But look, the top ranked matchmakers are entirely too smart from that. For that, I'm not saying that they're going to sign off on Jared Anderson fighting Jalee Zhang, even though he's 40 years old at this point, I don't understand they're going to do that. I'm just saying it would be an appealing option if we're looking for appealing options. I agree. I'd love to see that fight and Jared Anderson would have to box in that fight because you're not putting Jalee Zhang down. I mean, I was there for the forest fight where it was not to rehash it, but that was a whole confluence of bad events for Jalee Zhang that led to him looking as bad as he did. Uh, I thought he won the Hargovitch fight. It was close. I thought he lefts on Joe Joyce and busting up his face. That's who Jalee Zhang is. He has got blunt power with that left hand and he has got a good chin. So that would be an incredibly appealing fight. And you know, good for top rank, good for Jared Anderson if they did go in that direction. But that certainly is one to watch after the Joyce Zhang fight later on in September. Last thing for you, Keith, I want to just, we saw the WBC order something recently. I want to drop this on you real quick. Um, Shakur Stevenson, Frank Martin, when I saw that, I, you know, I, I don't want to get excited about a potential big fight when two fighters are promoted by rival entities and fight on opposing platforms. But correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a purse bid schedule for what next week. And I'm dying to see if who goes through with it. I mean, I've checked in with a few people on both sides. I don't think there's any certainty on if this comes to a purse bid, if we'll get, you know, both sides going through with that purse bid. But of course, Stevenson, Frank Martin on paper, tremendous fight. What are the chances you think we get that fight for the WBC right way title? Well, I really hope we do Chris, because it's a look, it's it's in terms of what's available. It's about as good as Shakur Stevenson is going to do next, right? Because Devin Haney's moving up to 140. Excuse me, the tank fight is not going to obviously not going to happen next. It's a pretty good fight, right? Martin didn't look good, particularly let me backtrack. He didn't look as good in his last fight, as he did in his in his previous fight against Michelle Rivera. And he was in with a guy who had a lot of experience, a lot of Olympic experience and amateur experience and everything. And he learned something from it. The shine is a little off of him, maybe, you know, based on how good he looked against Michelle Rivera, but he'll give Shakur Stevenson a real fight. Now, Shakur, I think is on another level and would win but I would much rather see that than see Shakur fight an in house guy and Jermaine Ortiz is very good, but you know, just had all this trouble making weight and everything and probably shouldn't be rewarded for that by fighting Shakur Stevenson next. But I would rather see that than an in house top rank fight. So let's see how they go about it. It's a very costly fight for whoever wins that purse bid. You have to pay a lot of money because Shakur Stevenson's minimums are high. And it was my understanding that they were when they were negotiating before the WBC ordered the the purse bid, which is scheduled for September 5, the Tuesday after Labor Day, they were far enough apart on money to necessitate a purse bid, I guess, for what to satisfy Frank Martin side of it. The fight would be if top rank promotes the fight, it would be on ESPN. The on a Thursday night of all nights on a Thursday night in November, before the Formula One Grand Prix race in Vegas, the next two days or three days after that, I believe it is. It's an interesting fight. I would favor Shakur and I would favor Shakur Stevenson against, you know, most lightweights. I'd love to see him fight Tank Davis at some point. That really, that's a pick of it to me. But I would favor Shakur against most anybody else in the lightweight division, including Frank Martin, but it's a very good fight. Yeah, as far as lightweight opponents go, Frank Martin would be, you know, the best that Shakur has faced up until this point. It would just be a really compelling match up of two undefeated young 135 pounders. This is the kind of cross promotional fight that boxing needs to make more of. It's one of those situations too, Keith, where it's like, you know, if that purse bid happens, and there is a result, somebody wins. If you walk away from that fight, the other guy has a chance to call you a ducker, the guy can say you're ducking. Like there was a purse bid, your promoter had a chance to put up a bunch of money to win that purse bid. I believe, is the split 50-50 for something like that? That's a good question because I'm trying to remember where Martin is. I forgot. But either way, they'd make a boatload of money. You get to be in a marquee fight. I'd love to see it. I think that's a terrific fight between two top guys at 135. Undefeated. I love what I've seen from Frank Martin. That last fight, notwithstanding, I think that was, I don't think that was an example of the real Frank Martin. I think the Michelle Rivera fight was probably more a look at the real Frank Martin, where Shakur has been great every single time he's been out. So I'm all in. No, it's an excellent fight, Chris. And like you said, we could use more. And top rank has shown, and when necessary, you see us in fighters over there as well as opponents and such. And in this case, Frank Martin would have to be considered the opponent. I mean, Shakur is the star and Frank Martin would be the underdog in the fight. So it could be worth PBC's while because they want a big fight for Frank Martin and they wouldn't have to pay for it if it goes, if it went on the ESPN side. From top ranks perspective, they would have to bid a lot of money because they could not afford from a public relations standpoint to lose Shakur Stevenson even for a fight to PBC if they were to get outbid by Al Heyman and TGB, which would represent Al at the purse bid. You don't think it's worth it? I mean, not that it's the same thing, but I remember when, well, I mean, for one fight, like I remember when Lomachenko fought Gary Russell. I know it's not the same thing. That was very early in Lomachenko's career, but that fight was on Showtime. And that was at the time kind of the marquee win of Lomachenko's career. I just, I don't think the top rank, I don't think it's catastrophic. If for one fight Shakur Stevenson goes over, you know, gets a win, then comes back to ESPN and top rank. I just don't know that it's so damaging to their brand. Maybe not catastrophic, but they will not want that to happen, obviously, because they have the financial wherewithal to make sure that it stays on ESPN. So I think they would do everything in their power to make that happen. But then it's like, you don't know how much the other, in this case, you don't know how much the other side is willing to bid because it would be a coup, a minor coup, I guess, for the PBC Showtime side of it to steal Shakur Stevenson away from top ranking ESPN for one fight.

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

06:13 min | 9 months ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"Outside of the best guys in the world. Here's where the risk for me is in Francis situation. Going and fighting some boxing dude that isn't the best in the world and losing to them. And then you lose out on the massive faded. That's where the danger is. The danger in him fighting another MMA organization is very, very small. He's going to beat the vast majority of Henry's in the world in a mixed martial arts competition. But I think that as you've seen in the last couple of days, maybe his name isn't ringing bells for what he did inside the akhenaten, but the stance studies taken on everything is making him still very important to the landscape of mixed martial arts and non combat sports in general. Yeah, I think it's a terrible idea to go fight like Otto volleying or Luis Ortiz. You don't run the risk of the one of those guys. Yeah, there's no upside to doing that. I think everybody's kind of on the same page. Look, fury, I think he'd run to that fight in the summertime. Like if Yuri winds up beating usic, the last thing fury wants to do after that is fight Deontay Wilder for the guy like him. She didn't want to do that. He wants the 80,000 in Wembley and to make $30 million in a fight that presents virtually no risk. Minimal risk. Let me ask you one other thing. In your mind, does it diminish MMA fighters to have, you know, all this kind of keep happening, whether it's McGregor woodley, maybe nagano going to boxing and really just not be competitive in these fights. Is there a downside to MMA? I just think that I just think that I don't necessarily know because everybody goes into these fights with the understanding that these guys are up against it, right? So it's not as if MMA guys like myself and the pundits are saying Francis and Donald is going to go and beat Tyson Fury. You understand what it is. So when the result happens, if it happens in that way, it's kind of what was expected. But what happens if you win? When the whole world is on the taxes, right? So I think Carl wouldn't be getting stopped the way. When you're losing a YouTuber, that's a problem. But when you're losing the guys like Floyd Mayweather and enticing for isn't it crazy though, that Francis and Connor want themselves to be so valuable that in their pool debuts they fought those guys. That's where the, that's where the credit sits, right? In those guys building such a resume are having so much surrounding them that they get those level of fights in fight number one. I remember watching kind of walk to the ring to fight Floyd and I thought to myself, wow, he actually did it. Regardless of what happens, he actually like he will fight against Floyd Mayweather into existence. And I feel the same way about my parents and Gandhi. He didn't. And boxers love the passion of MMA fans because even if there's like a 1% chance that their guy can win MMA fans will throw 80 bucks down on the table and they will buy that frigging fight, no questions.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

04:31 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"Deontay Wilder who's back October 15th and a pretty intriguing fight against Robert Lenny. He did an interview recently where he said he's in the Hall of Fame, no question about it. Deontay Wilder is one of the biggest punchers in the heavyweight division, but again, something I talk about a lot resume. What is the resume of Deontay Wilder? He has got two high level wins. Those are both over Luis Ortiz. He pushed Tyson Fury to a draw in their first fight, but was knocked out into very entertaining subsequent fights by fury. So I don't know, you tell me first is Deontay Wilder if you retired tomorrow Hall of Famer. No. No. You just mentioned it. What remains to Verne is the only champion he's beaten. Yeah. And other than that, he's had good names, good solid title challengers. Chris areola, you know, that's one of them. Louis Ortiz, there's another one. The thing that makes him exceptional is that he's a power puncher and he knocks everyone out. He has the highest knockout one of the highest knockout ratios in boxing, but that you don't get into the Hall of Fame for being a huge puncher. Or else Ernie shavers will be in the Hall of Fame. That's why I compare wilder two. Ernie shavers went the distance with Muhammad Ali. He went the distance with what Larry Holmes, he fought, he put homes down. Remember that shot and he put all of them. I'm saying is Ernie shavers is pound for one Hall of Fame material of punchers, but as far as skill goes, no. That's where I put Deontay Wilder. He made a big splash he made a whole lot of money. He's entertaining with his right hand, but he lacked a lot of skills. He's not polished enough to be in the Hall of Fame so no. You don't already shaver his record was? Yeah, about 90 fights, I think, 75, 14 and one.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

03:47 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"February because Fox is a Super Bowl this year, and if they did what Fox, you could use that platform to promote it, but it does sound like the 19th is what they're targeting. In terms of which network winds up distributing it, I would be surprised if it weren't showtime just because all of the PVC inventory has been shifted to showtime. Fox is for all intents and purposes out of boxing except doing the occasional pay per view. And this isn't just any old pay per view. This is the non heavyweight pay per view unboxing. I thought that too, but Spence, I think all of his pay per views have been fox or no, the show time. Right. But if you don't, unless Al hayman is now look, you're going to go where you get the better deal. I understand that. At the same time, you know, he has a much more profitable, better working relationship with showtime now than he has with Fox. It looks like fox is getting out of boxing. It looks like they're interested in doing the occasional pay per view that shouldn't be a pay per view like Luis Ortiz and it doesn't cost them much. They're not committing any money to boxing. So unless he's trying to, unless Heyman, we're trying to not trying to get into the head of Al hayman because he's now that would be a good story. Right, but I'm saying, I mean, obviously he knows how to move chess pieces and all and does all his things behind closed doors. But unless he's trying to salvage this relationship with Fox, which to my understanding is pretty much unsalvageable in that they're not going to do another multi fight contract with PBC, then I don't understand why it wouldn't be on showtime because I think showtime with its with its reach with CBS and everything can offer most of what Fox, if not all of what Fox

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

03:32 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

02:46 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"It's a tough fight, you know? Because he has a different awkward style, you know? He's not an awkward style like who's sick that's lefty that moves around and all that, but he's a hard hitting guy. And a lot of people are fighting him and that's his exactly why we wanted to pick a good opponent that's going to be that this is what the fans wanted and this is exactly what I'm giving them, you know? We know we knew that we're going to take some risks. We know we're going to isn't going to be a challenging fight but I'm up to the test and the way that we've been training I'm confident and I'm motivated and I know I'm going to get this victory. So do you look at the pathway to this WBC title? It starts with Luis Ortiz does it continue with Deontay Wilder if wilder can get through his fight in October? It could happen, you know? First, I got to focus on Louise Ortiz when this fight. And Deontay Wilder, that's the easiest fight that could be made right now between me and him because me and him are both under the same organization. So I feel that fact could be easily made the end of this year or the beginning of next year. But if I get an opportunity to plan for the WBC bow or with Lucy, of course we're going to take that, take that, to become a two time heavyweight champion. No question. Just last thing for you, are you curious to see what wilder has left? I mean, I was at the press conference in New York this week. Helen is a good opponent, but I think a really high level Deontay Wilder should win. Are you as someone that knocked off an undefeated fighter and changed his career? Are you curious to see what wilder has left? I do. And I feel the whole world does because I'm coming out of his devastating loss against Tyson Fury. We want to see how he comes back or how if his legs are still there and if his still state of mind is still there, you know what's hard is hard losing a fighting, having to get back up to have that same momentum and having that same eager to still become great, but you know, with God, anything is possible and I feel like he's going through the right path and he found Jesus and maybe, you know, things will go good for him. Well, it's good to have you back, Andy. First up, September 4th against Luis Ortiz, hope to see you in some big fights over this next year or so, man. Good luck to you. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. When we come back, former NBA player turned boxer Nick young. No matter if the economy is up or down, healthcare careers continue to grow,

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

03:09 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"Former unified heavyweight champion on Saturday. He is back when he takes on Luis Ortiz that's a fight you could watch on Fox Sports pay per view. And Andy, first fight in close to 20 months. So I guess my question is, where have you been, man? Well, from the last fight where the Chris areola had to get knee surgery. And I took some time off and I took another little bit of time off just to deal with the family just to relax and, you know, get get where I want to be at, you know? And through all that time, I was just focusing on what I want to accomplish. And what do I want to accomplish? I want to become a two time heavyweight champion of the world. And that's exactly what we're aiming for. We had a long training camp. We picked the hard opponent, Luis Ortiz, like I said, I like taking chances, I like hard fights, so that's exactly what we're going to get on September 4th. So when did that click for you? When did you decide, look, I got to get back in, I got to try to become a champ once again. I feel every fighter needs to have a break, man. It doesn't matter who you are or how long you want to become champions and every fighter needs a little break for themselves and for their family because now you start thinking, you start thinking differently, you know? And. When was it of last year, that's when I said to myself, you know what? I could do it, man. I did it one time I could do it again. I became a champion. I'm gonna become a champion again. All I'm missing is that WBC bell that to add to my collection, you know? So I put myself in and I said, you know what? I'm gonna give it all my God. I'm still young. I'm not hurt or nothing. So, and what do you know? I mean, for that WBC bow, I want it so bad. I want to become a two time heavyweight champion of the world, and you know, and I'm still mad because I gave my belts away with Anthony Joshua and the rematch because I did not do the right things that I was supposed to do, but we're focused now, man. Yeah, you know, Anthony Joshua, we all saw back in late August. He lost dogs and usyk for the second time. As someone that started this run for Anthony Joshua, 5 fights earlier for him, what were you thinking when you watched Joshua lose again? I kind of knew that it was in a win, man. Just because of his style, he's a counter puncher. He wastes until they load up and then he goes in there. And it was kind of devastating because I was like, man, that could have been me that could have been me again. So it kind of gave me more motivation just to show up and show out on September 4th. Here in the crypto arena because, like I said, I felt like I gave those belts away because of my non discipline and but things changed now, you know? That's why it's good to have a long layoff to reminisce and to think exactly what you want to do in life and I'm still young. And that's what we're going to do. We're going to conquer and we're going to get that WNBC about.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

05:37 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"You know, he'll have to live with that for the rest of his life. I mean, whether he likes it or not. But, you know, he's going to want to go in there and show that he's still the knockout artist that he was before he lost back to back fights to Tyson Fury. So it wasn't an easy decision, as you said. And he contemplated retirement for sure. But I think he's got a lot of pride and he's going to want to come back and show that he can, you know, it's not like he's not making a lot of money for this right now. He's not making anywhere close to what he made for the Tyson in the last two Tyson Fury fights, but he's making a lot of money. Look, I can't see him getting in there. And doing it half assed in any way. So I think we'll see whatever is the best of what Deontay Wilder has left will see that on October 15th. And then he'll go from there because if he beats the hellenes, you and I have discussed that he'll probably wind up fighting Andy ruiza for Reese beats Luis Ortiz, which he is favored to do on September 4th. That's a natural fight to put on Fox pay per view. It's an in-house PBC fight. It's interesting for sure. It's two former heavyweight champions. You know, Andy Ruiz has always shown a good chin and he'll cause a lot of problems stylistically for Deontay Wilder as well. So that's a good fight. And that's a pay per view fight for PBC, certainly much more pay per view worthy than wilder heinous. I think that's the path that he would take from there because he's not going to be in position to fight the winner of Joshua usyk or anything like that. And of course, there's no reason for him to fight Tyson Fury a fourth time. We've already seen this three times and he's been beaten decisively twice. So yeah, so I think that's the natural course of what will happen. You will see how he looks against Alanis, assuming he wins, which he's favored to do. And Ruiz wins. I think we see that fight maybe sometime in spring, summer, next year. Yeah, I think we both agree. It's good to have Deontay a while they're back in the mix. Makes heavyweight boxing more interesting. It makes boxing in general more interesting. I want to look back Keith. I went back to last weekend where we had Teófimo López make his return to the ring, make his debut at a 140 pounds. He stops Pedro campa in the 7th round of that fight. Not unsurprising that that was the result, Pedro campa. Nice record, not a lot of power, certainly a bit of an unknown at a 140 pounds and Lopez coming off a long layoff coming off a disappointing performance, making his debut with junior welterweight. I certainly worked out some of the kinks in his game and eventually got to stoppage. What did you make of taffy and was performance against campa? I was a little surprised that went into the 7th round, honestly, but Campo was fighting very cautiously and everything. So, you know, he hadn't fought in a long time, which is 140 pound debut. All's well that ends well. He stopped him, he didn't have any difficulty against Pedro campus. So what it's about now for your fema Lopez more than anything is who can you get at a 140 pounds to fight him? Because he's still a big name, you know, yes, he has this loss on his record now, but he's going to be very motivated to prove himself in a 140 pound division. Top rank has a lot of maybe not a level 140 pounders, but they certainly have a lot of 140 pounders.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

07:30 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"I expected him to come back and fight. Because there's a lot of money to be made for him, frankly. The question is, is which type of opponent is he going to fight in his comeback fight? Is it? Because he's going to want to be paid at a certain level where you can't just pay him to fight whoever, right? I mean, he needs to fight someone reasonably well known and reasonably dangerous to get paid what he's expecting to be paid. So I'm not all the really all that surprised that he's coming back. I know there were some talk from internally from his camp that it was a brutal knockout loss to Tyson Fury. He has made a lot of money, so maybe he would not come back. But just from a pride standpoint, I don't think he's going to want to go out. He's not going to want his now oftentimes they're fighters careers, particularly the heavyweight division, don't end in the best ways. But he wasn't going to want his career to end with a brutal knockout loss to Tyson Fury. He's going to want to come back. And get in some meaningful fights and make a lot of money. I think those opportunities are there for him. It's just a matter of who he's going to fight. You know, because Tyson Fury, I don't think Tyson Fury is retired by any by any means. So I think he's going to try to fight the winner of the usic Joshua rematch. And then it's just a matter of which types of fights you can find for Deontay Wilde to quote unquote keep him busy while he tries to work his way back toward getting a shot at once all of that unfolds and whoever's left standing. Well, there's not going to be any demand for him to fight Tyson Fury a fourth time after what happened in the last two fights that they had, but if for some reason usic win comes out of that emerges out of that or Anthony Joshua emerges out of that, you know, those fights would be viable for Deontay Wilder. So Andy Ruiz and Luis Ortiz are going to fight, I believe, on August 13th, you know, there's not going to be a call for him to fight Luis Ortiz a third time either, but a fan of Ruiz wins that fight. He's a former world champion. He also was affiliated with PBC. Maybe that's a viable fight for Deontay Wilder. I spoke to Dmitry salita the other day, and he said that Otto wallin, who gave Tyson Fury a tough fight a few years ago, would certainly be willing to fight Deontay Wilder. That's not a bad thing. Keith. Not autos always available. Ready to fight. He is, but I don't think he doesn't belong in that type of fight. I mean, you'll give Tyson Fury a tough fight. It's his only loss. And he's just not a, you know, he's not affiliated with PBC and he's not affiliated with Eddie Hearn, so he's not getting these types of fights. And frankly, he really got screwed last year when he was supposed to fight Billy and white, Billy and white pulled out of the fight, said he had a shoulder injury. And then you can't blame him for going to make an enormous payday against Tyson Fury, but then I don't want lean was not really made whole after that. He would just kind of, oh, you trained the whole time for the fight and take your training expenses and shove it. And so I would like to see him get an opportunity. I wouldn't mind seeing him fight Deontay Wilder because it's a reasonable opponent for him to fight. As is Andy Ruiz, I think. So, but in the PBC universe, there aren't many fights that you could make for Deontay Wilder that people would be interested in. Andy Ruiz would certainly qualify as one of those fights because he's beaten Anthony Joshua, the former heavyweight champion. He's still in the heart of his physical prime. I could see that, you know, but then when would that fight happen? Because if Andy Ruiz is going to fight Luis Ortiz in two and a half months, what Mandy Ruiz isn't going to show up three months later to fight the anti wilder and Deontay Wilder there's not going to wait forever to return to the ring. So do you see him fight just a guy? I mean, it's the guy to keep him busy and to get in there and build his confidence back and get a knockout win. You could see that, but he'd have to be reasonable in terms of what he expects from his purse to make that type of fight happen. Yeah, Charles Martin came to mind when you're thinking about a comeback fight. Martin, of course, was knocked out by Louis Ortiz in January, but if you're just talking about kind of a shake off the rust type of fight, you can quasi cell Martin, the ex heavyweight title holder, and Martin's the kind of guy that he's been stopped and two of his losses. So you can expect if while there's in any kind of shape that he would do the same to Martin. And this one, I like the wallen fight as well. It just makes sense. Well, it's good, but not great. He's also continues to win. He beat Dominic Brazil of whatever that's worth and continues to rack up. He's not just staying idle waiting for his opportunities, taking fights and collecting wins. So yeah, wallen makes a lot of sense. And then you're right again. Next year, let's say Anthony Joshua comes out of this Joshua fury usuk stuff as the undisputed champion at heavyweight. Joshua wilder would still be massive. It might be massive even if Joshua loses. You know, next year. I mean, it's still a big fight between two big punchers. That will always have a marketplace for it. So yeah, it's good that while it's come back. I think he has one more run left in him. As long as that run stays out of the lane of Tyson Fury. Like there's no reason to see him in fury ultimately go at it again. So we'll see. Good for what are you getting your statue in Jersey? Is that coming soon? That's a good question. That's a good question. Where would your statue be? Like mine would be outside like the Dunkin Donuts in Boston. I would have a statue there. Isn't there a Dunkin Donuts like every 5 feet in Boston pretty much correct? There's also fun fact, fun fact, Keith there's also the original Dunkin Donuts in my hometown. The first ever Dunkin Donuts. Is that right in my hometown? Yes. Well, there's a lot of I would like a statue there. There's a lot of Dunkin Donuts in New Jersey too, and I've obviously been prone to eating donuts. So maybe outside of a Dunkin Donuts might be my spot too. Who knows? That's great. Every boxing writer should have a statue outside of a Dunkin Donuts. That should be that should be a thing. I like all right, this podcast has gone off the rails at this point. I would say officially. So Keith, good to talk to you, man. I always appreciate time. Always, Chris, I'll talk to you soon. When we come back, my conversation with Devin Haney. 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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

02:53 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"A quiet moment, he'd be like, thank God, I don't have to figure out how to pay him because you can't keep putting Andy Ruiz and pay per view fights that are going to fail. I mean, for the obvious, so and look, if you're Andy Ruiz, you did beat Anthony Joshua a few years ago, so you feel like you deserve to be paid X the market might not necessarily dictate that. And if your triller we take our shots at triller and they deserve a lot of it, whether they like it or not for the most part. But if you're them, that's a get for them, right? If you get Andy Ruiz to fight on your platform, he's a former heavyweight champion of the world. I guess. I don't know how well it's going to do on their platform, but it's better than some of the fights that they've made. I was fascinated that it's going to be on a pay per view. I'm not sure what kind of numbers should be expected for Andy Ruiz against Tyrone spong. Well, listen, listen, we just saw Charles Martin and Luis Ortiz on pay per view. So I don't know. I guess anything's possible. As you can sell that two time title challenger versus former 5 minute heavyweight champion. And it was an entertaining. I'm not the fight. It was entertaining. I didn't know how Tyrone spong was before. I knew he was the guy that was supposed to I do sick and then he said something. I did that, I don't know. I don't know. I'd assumed a reason Louis Ortiz were headed for something, but that must have just been too pricey for anybody. And Andrew Ruiz Luis Ortiz on pay per view is not going to sell either. So I don't know what their what happened. Yeah, I don't know what you do with a guy with like Ruiz, maybe you just let him go fight on other platforms, which appears to be what's happening in this case..

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

05:12 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"My issue now, where I'm coming around on the Android side on this, not to make this about him, but monkey is going to fight Demetrius Ballard. Look, I was okay with mongia taking a few fights at a 160 pounds to get used to the weight. I was okay with Gabe risotto. That's a pretty decent test for him, but I didn't dominate gay, but one pretty convincingly against rosato and Andrew just out there. Like he's sitting out there. You know, willing to put his middleweight title on the line and we're going to demetri's ballot who fought on the undercard of monkey and didn't look good. I had to go the distance with Paul valenzuela. I don't know what mongeau gets us. And I've said this to golden boy. I've said Eric almost on this podcast a few weeks ago. I'm like, yeah, it's not like I think Android might lose that fight. Like monkey is pretty good. Like he's gotten a lot better over the years with his volume punching. I think his chin's pretty solid. You gotta keep pace with Jaime McGee at a beat him. I would have preferred them go straight to mongia Android, but they're gonna wait for golovkin to. It's like everybody's waiting for somebody Keith. It's like, we can't get two people that actually want to fight each other. They're all waiting for something else. And meanwhile, you're paying for fights that people don't necessarily want to see. It's a greater problem look, welcome to boxing. With the boxing again. All right, as we're recording this Philip, it seems like he has an opponent in that IBF eliminator he and Tony yoka are engaged in negotiations. So I'll frame the question Keith to you a little bit differently. Over the last 6 months, we have had Michael hunter turned down a chance to fight Philip itch, perk of it in our fighter meeting a couple weeks back called hunter a coward for that. He was pretty strong on that one. Recently, it's been Luis Ortiz, who quickly declined to enter negotiations there. It was Joseph Parker, declined. Now, there are plenty of reasons why these guys won't fight her arguments, especially the last two, because Ortiz and Parker could probably get something more economically viable in the next 6 months before. Then her gift is. But is it surprise you that we're kind of going down the list in an IBF title eliminator and we stop at Tony yoka, who has done nothing to warrant a eliminator opportunity? It doesn't only because Philip Parker Vic is a high risk low reward type of proposition. I mean, why would the resource is not gonna fight?.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

03:53 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"Dan, what's up man, happy new year. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. I said I said to your producer Adam, I said, if I'm the first guest of the new year, that's quite an honor. I wonder if there was any extra special pay involved in today's appearance. We will happily send you a volume T-shirt. Volume hack. Can't wait. Come on your way. Lot to get into here, Dan, as we start the new year. Boxing, nothing, not nothing heavy in January. You get Joe Smith junior coming back fighting Callum Johnson in a pretty big fight. Then the schedule picks up in February March, April. I want to go through a couple of things, but I want to start at the top Dan, and that's with Canelo Álvarez. The pound for pound king, who said in, you know, when he won his last fight a couple of months ago, that he would make a decision on his next fight in January. So here we are in January and Canelo, who was at the New Year's Day show that was headlined by Luis Ortiz and Charles Martin, had this to say about his future. I.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

05:55 min | 1 year ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"Was that he hasn't really decided what the next step of his career is going to be. If there is a next step in his career, we know Shelley finkel, the manager for wilder has suggested he'll be back in the first half of 2022, but listening and reading wilder's comments, I'm not convinced of that just yet. Now, I do think to give wilder more time to kind of let that loss sink in, relax, spend time with his family, all those things, but he is what 36, 37 years old. It's tough to kind of rebuild Keith at that age. So hearing wilder say that, it may be wonder, have we seen the last of Deontay Wilder? I don't think we have Chris and he has a lot of children and he has a lot of people to support and everything. So I think we'll try to see him try to get back into like a big money fight, but the one thing that's going to be shocking to him is that he's, you know, he was violently knocked out by Tyson Fury in their third fight. And he's going to have to accept lesser money to come back and fight. And the significantly lesser money. Right. Yeah, and it's a tough financial position for Al haman to be in because I think you have to put Deontay Wilder on pay per view to satisfy whatever his personal demands, whatever he eventually agrees to fight for. It's still going to be a pay per view fight. And I think PBC has shown us that they're willing to slap anything up on pay per view here with Charles Martin and Luis Ortiz. But I think we'll see that. You're not getting for that. Not so much. I don't have a problem with the fight. I mean, because Charles Martin could punch. I know people like to crap on Charles Martin because of what happened with the Anthony Joshua fight and everything, but he can crack, though. And we want a couple of fights now, so he's fine. Resource may or may not be 70 years old. Who really knows? But for $40, you can find out for $40 you can find out. Yeah, but I do think that Deontay Wilder is going is going to fight again. Because I've also heard before he said this on Kevin Hart's podcast, which has been kind of all over the place now since yesterday. I had heard behind the scenes that he was pushing to come back sooner than later, because he really wanted to get back in there. So.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

05:27 min | 2 years ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"Got to worry about well. You mentioned something. That is another part of this. I mean deontay. Wilder has accused tyson fury of every cheating maneuver under the sun. He is accused ice and fury of being the biggest cheater in boxing. History point blank period. We know all eyeballs will be on tyson fury. When his hands are being wrapped like a- all there will be a lot of scrutiny. Even does even if you think it's all bullshit. There'll be a lot of scrutiny on tyson fury. If the same thing happens it's not going to be good for deontay wilder. It's just point. Yeah let me ask you this baraka. Here's so i'm a boxing. Hall of fame voter. And i was thinking about this the other day if deontay wilder loses to tyson fury and retires after that. I don't think he's a hall of famer i don't. He's had a long run as heavyweight. Champion but fury said this on social media this week like who have you beaten like dominic brazil is not a quality win. You beat luis ortiz twice. So you have to quality wins over the same guy. I don't know how you look at while there's resume and say he's worth. He's worthy of being in the hall of fame. Am i crazy. I see you. You're not you're not crazy. I think that's a very good question. I think is valid points. I can only say this. The wilder was a champion before joshua he was a champion actually before fury. People don't realize that he won the title before fury beat klitschko. So he was. He's our long standing champion five legitimate years and one month. He was heavyweight champion of the world. And it's not his fault that literally. He fought whoever was available and was lobbying to get the anthony. Joshua if i you know in the beginning now no no no no no. That's that's years later chris. I'm talking about two thousand sixteen. Two thousand seventeen. He was the one that was being blackballed that ball. He wanted to fight. He wanted that fight and he couldn't get it after he got with theory. He's like man. I'm not trying to see joshua. I'm not saying us writer role that's just feeling like if you've been blackballing me all this time now. Don't wanna fight him. You know who else did that will spent keith. Thurman i'm not fighting you. Because what i wanted to fight you. You don't wanna fight some. Everybody else does that. Mean he's scared of keith thurman no he just wants to do them dirty now because he felt like he was done dirty and that's what the day was five years champion. You can't be mad at a guy that everybody available. But i'm not saying those guys that he thought should give into the hall of fame and that's that's going up all be said rock. I totally agree with everything is still doesn't get you a whole. I agree with you. i agree with you. I gotta cut you off bit. stop bernstein. Does.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

05:54 min | 2 years ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"The most important thing in this fight is for while to come forward like he can't fight on the back foot. He's not knocking. Tyson fury out on the back foot and i think fury figured out in that first fight barack that if he just keeps pushing him and pushing him pushing him it takes away weiler's best and made us only weapon there and i'll be looking for that. In the first couple of rounds that's the unknown to me. Can wilder pressed the action in ways. We saw him do at times in that first flight. And i don't think saw him do at all in the second fight. Yeah i think Luis ortiz had the same game plan in the second fight. Push while the back it happen and think about it. The fights the punches that hurt luis ortiz where like a counterpunch or maybe uppercut on the inside. So it's like he did hit him pushing the while the back he was able to generate that power he just has this awesome powerful guys with small lakes and he just he grazes. Guys any hurts them. Gerald washington didn't even look like he barely hit him and he heard them so. Yeah but i think even going backwards. He's still a dangerous fighter. Is that i don't know why he didn't have his legs but he didn't have his lakes chris and look at it first round with this he didn't have his legs rockies a much less dangerous fighter on the back foot unless any cannot guy out moving back. But if you if if you have a game plan that you want to beat the robber that has to be at the top of your list. Let's push back because he's less dangerous. Mike got lakes. You take a step back and you let that right hand go. He didn't do none of those things he was so flat foot and the that doesn't start to fight off flatly. No you're right about that. Do you see this as win or go home for deontay wilder is his career. Done if you lose thyssen theory men. That's a question. I i would say depending on how he loses. If we see a another has to is going to be tough to come back from jimmy tough to come back but if we competitive fight where the onto wins round maybe tyson pulls it off at the end and gets a victory on on the thing. We see a vicious knockout. He might need some time. But that's guy guys stick around for a long time. We we would. We probably will see him again even if he loses of but if he loses drastically is going to be tough to come back from that depending on their you know barack i i don't think so because and it might not be because he doesn't have options i'm sure will has loaded with heavyweights. He could potentially fight win or lose but how many times have we seen guys that. Get the proverbial mountaintop make a boatload probably may twenty million for the last fury fight. You'll be eight figures at least for this upcoming fights and look we just saw with billy joe saunders not the same guy as deontay wilder but billy joe. Saunders made the most money in his career against gallo alvarez. He lost and to this point. Billy joe saunders has not been able to kind of summon the the fire to get back into it..

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on 710 WOR

710 WOR

02:51 min | 2 years ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on 710 WOR

"Gregg Jarrett, How you doing? Hey, Mark. Great to be with you. I'm fine tax. I always start every interview with you. We've done this for years with the same question. If Rip Van Winkle went to sleep and woke up in 50 years would then be able to see the Durham report. Uh, no. He'd still be waiting for it. Apparently, you know, Durham works on Durham Time, which is unique, apparently. Uh, you know, I used to be optimistic that he would reach a conclusion in a timely fashion and that the people I think violated the law identifying my book, Witch hunt. Would be, you know, brought to account, but it hasn't happened yet. And the longer it goes, the less optimistic I am. Well, this new attorney General Merrick Garland, looks like kind of like General Milley like quite the swamp snake, Quite the political guy. And do you think he's told him Hold on to the report? We don't need it now. You don't know I'd love to be in the room when they have engaged in conversations. Um, you know, but Durham is historically the kind of guy You know who bristles at the notion of somebody else telling him what to do. He's fairly independent, so we'll wait and see. Well, hey, check out the Gregg jarrett dot com. Great website. You always have the You know, Here's a big story that obviously is being buried by the media. Kamala Harris, her campaign contributing to that bail fund and one of the people they bailed out has killed somebody. Uh, why? Why does that I mean, it's an obvious question, But why does that get no attention? Well, because you know the media. The mainstream media is in the bag for Democrats continues to protect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Uh, you know, that case is so horrific, but for Camilla Harris Luis Ortiz would be alive today. I mean, she championed the fund that's set free. The man who pulled the trigger and killed according to police movies, Ortiz, I'd love to hear what she has to say. Now to Ortiz is grief stricken, heartbroken family. You know, but this is the vice president president's idea of being look. Let's help accused criminals this victimize innocent people and and keep in mind this accused murderer. His name is George Howard was originally behind bars. On charges of severe domestic abuse. One of seven different man that Were bailed out by Harris is fund all of whom are accused of beating women and you know that's not all. Harris is fund set free a registered sex offender.

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"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

05:55 min | 2 years ago

"luis ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

"But i believe that you know as we're looking at this heavyweight landscape of now i we've got a joshua usa going on september twenty fifth followed by october ninth tyson fury. The wilder three. You know the rest of these heavyweights are sort of like in this round robin ville and you know like michael hunter is going to have to select someone else. Prompt with prominent name. I mean you know you can look at the zone fighters and maybe like someone. Someone joseph parker would be someone that he could take on. I mean i'd love to see him Potentially even though it would be against the pbc guy luis ortiz. Or even andy ruiz Those would be the type to fight that. I would like to see hunter end. Because let's be honest. He still needs after that after that. Fight with He needs to prove that he can beat the fighters of that caliber. And if he can do so then absolutely. I mean i think the guy is a young athletic Strong guy with a lot of personality and It'd be great. It'd be a great thing for him. He definitely has upside..

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Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury in 2020 Rematch Fight

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

01:27 min | 4 years ago

Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury in 2020 Rematch Fight

"And Tyson fury could have a potential rematch. Now, Deontay wilder is having a rematch with Lewis King Kong or TS here in September. Mike, you're the big boxing aficionado. I, I was stunned that Deontay wilder did what he did to Luis Ortiz. Well, I think is a very good boxer. So I like the fact that those are fighting again, but are you interested in wilder fury rematch, which I thought was a very close. I definitely am interested because I also gre- that it was a close fight. And I think it's, it's watchable you like it has you intrigued because it was. Closed. So let me ask you a question. What happened with Anthony Joshua? Who is he? He's fighting some no name guy like what happened there, man. I'm trying to see I believed that his opponent was hurt in, then this guy is a standing standing, and it's pretty much literally a standing guy any Joshua's, the Steve Gutenberg of boxing. It's like why did he become Tom Hanks? Like he could've right. He's right there. He could have been a huge movie star, and he did it who's ever managing Anthony, Joshua's careers during the horrible job, get them out there to be a huge star this while they're you spend two seconds or that dude's a super slow, he's trying to Anthony, Josh is making a lot of money, just in England, a lot of money in the police academy movies, but he's become a star even notice fight is a dud. But this is I fight in the US in New York. So he's trying. I'm with I'm with you, though. Deontay wilder is entertaining and must see television. So sign me up for whatever that dude does.

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