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We're taking a little dip into stores ores video games talk about a wide Canon or not can my goodness we love a wide cannon. We love a wide Hashtag knock Canada's and as always spoiler warning we will be going deep on details from the entire Star Wars Saga and Video Game Saga to date take an official Canon cannon and legends Hashtag cannon into account some meters above. Because it's time to hit the star forge Jason Yes they say the forest can do terrible things to a mind can wipe away your memories so true. Destroy your very identity. Absolutely and that gets this upsets big idea. So let's search our feelings and use the force course. The defining theme of this episode is immersion. Listen I love Star Wars Video Games. I Love Them. You Love Them. Let's talk about our introductions to these. Yeah give us your origin story. Well I think the origin story really well obviously a big star wars fan growing growing up and then so as a mall by the house Start when my mom would take me to the mall and she'd be like shopping and Filings Baseman or whatever that echoes. I don't want to follow you around for three hours. Here's the deal. Just Gimme like twenty quarters five dollars with court as you get a role I would get a role and just set me free in the arcade and I would go in there and I would play the original Star Wars Arcade game. which is kind of like you know your luke in this kind of wire frame graphic engine and you're fighting against tie fighters and then eventually you go into the trench and can you try and shoot the torpedo into the vent? Now I played a lot of the return of the Jedi Arcade game which allowed you to pilot the at at across the forest moon van indoor and then in what was I think as you ever commit a nuclear Holocaust against the U. Ox. I mean you did because you had to fly the Millennium Falcon into the deuce in avoiding the various objects as you kind of flew deeper and deeper deeper into the base and then blew up. I did not see it. The game was a little punishing inititing. But I thought I remember at the timing like this is the greatest graphics I've seen and then as you know my gaming journey continued got really into shooter. Soya's playing playing a lot of republic. Commando I played a lot of the original star wars battlefront and like a lot a lot a lot a lot and that was kind line of like my at the time I was like the prequels trash but being able to play like a battle. DROID is actually really really cool right. And then of course coach for but I think it all started with the Arcade Games. What about you so you know in the interest of full disclosure? I do not I have the history with Star Wars Video Games that you have a successful person all your bliss I I am married to a person who played Logged at extraordinary number of hours playing star wars video games. I played them when I was a kid because I love video games growing. Yeah I had my Nintendo my mom's house ahead my Super Nintendo at my dad's playing a wall not to be like the most basic kid around but I couldn't get enough of Super Mario. Three in particular was my favorite one. My absolute favorite. I had a Gameboy and I love to play Kirby on game boy. I loved Zelda. I loved all the Shit Shit when I eventually got an end. Sixty four. That was really a a revelatory moment in my life and then when I was in high school I saved and I bought myself A. PS Two at that point. And I was when I started to get really into sports schemings. I love playing video games as a kid and I did occasionally play Star Wars Video Games. You know I enjoy playing the exway and tighter games when I would hang house with my friends and you have people kind of get together and you're hanging out. That was really fun for me as a kid. I never got into the fully immersive experience. Your answer playing a star wars video game until I was an adult actually because my husband Adam just fucking loves loves them and plays them all the time. And we've had you know marriages about a lot of different things. This is among the many. It's about shared growth and absolutely table to adapt and change. And I think one of the things we realize early in our years together is that we cannot in fact play video games together too much strife. Just fucking doc in madness. Did you try to play. This is fast Super Mario Galaxy. Two sure for the we. It's a great game legitimately nearly that my marich coach before we were married. We were dating at that point Mary Anyway. Oh I spent many many hours watching Adam play off fast. He played a ton of Halo Gears of war. Everything and I was always fascinated to watch it and I really liked watching him. Play the battlefront games in particular very cool he's really partial to those. And then when I knew that we were going to be doing Benjamin I don't want want to try to get into some of the checkout Alfred to checking out the force unleashed obviously familiarizing. Yourself with coach for Koto or to an imperative part of off embracing star wars in any capacity and I played fallen order when came out and I played from the beginning and it was my journey and I did. I had such a truly wonderful time learning how to oof function as cal bonding with beady one again. We issued a spoiler warning at the top but the moment is that was unexpected. That was that was the highlight for me. That was like really cool story. The story was good harder than you think. Yes you're thinking about getting into this game it's not a huge outlay of your time. Yeah and I I liked that aspect of it because I felt like I was consistently making progress but also that I was able to spend as much time as I wanted exploring the world and the planets are they are actually bigger than you think the maps or you can spend a lot of time moving around and trying to find your crates and getting your new copper or whatever you might want for your lightsaber. But I really liked. I liked the blend of action action. You know being able to cut through all the stormtroopers with my lightsaber but also being able to use my mind in a different from way for the puzzles because there are so many different puzzle aspects in your requiring or new force powers in figuring out how spend your skull points and some of it seems really simple the force push fours. I Pol but actually liked that. That's always especially in RPG game like that. We're unlocking various abilities and spending points within the system. It's very easy to Immediately for me Google like what is the best build for justice. Like what are the best. How do you approach that kind of like leveling process? It kind of depends on each game in each character and like what the context is so for this game for fallen order with cal and like with beating because you're unlocking was wall. I wanted to just kind of experience. It organically like each new Poncho really felt like it was mine. I change Poncho every chance I get to change. I change it all the time. Yeah I ended up going with more of the kind of pared-down I didn't like all the extra fabric ultimately I liked it. I liked the cowboy vibe of some of the stripy ones. I I really went for those but you know I want to be able mostly to experience it it on my own and not have to check the Internet for the closing the guy but there's like a safety blanket aspect of comfort factor of knowing that. That's there if you need it so you know a a couple of maps like trying to figure out how much was essential to explore. Because I had a lot of anxiety about that is I was playing with. What am I missing? And what's Kate Amiss. When is it okay to push forward and went as is something that I need to go back to an especially because once you reach whichever vaults or hollow message that you need to find you have to them make your way back to the Mantis Mantis back to your ship which requires parsing a whole news time off of the Matt that free significant portion of time? Yeah also because I don't know if it's just the way I process like visuals Navigating the hollow map. It was hard for me. I shadowed with because it's like so much of it is see through true and so it's hard to parse like what level is what level which levels connect which paths that move between levels actually connect and so then I would just stop using just be like well. I'm just GONNA free run explore and that was the winning the game kind of opened up more for me. Yeah I like that aspect of just being able to really explore and I think that gets us into just more. Broadly Labor beyond our own personal experience will inject that into the discussion. What appeal of Star Wars Video Games is and obviously this varies? Person to person. It varies title the title at various based on the type of game you're playing isn't an RPG's at a shooter. But there are certain touchstones uh-huh certain umbrellas from which a lot of the rain of joy flows. One of the central appeals is the the world building aspect. Yes the way these games in some fashion tap into something that you already love and and again you know assumptions about how what order you came to. This may be you discover the games I before the movies and now of course we're in a Disney plus err on they're going to be all sorts of different ways that people are coming to the story but it's tapping into something about a world that you probably already love. Maybe you're going to be playing a game. That actually has some of the characters from the films that you love but meets entirely new injecting new characters new ideas new planets. You're going to have a game where you can go to tattooing or Death Mirror. Yeah but you're also going to check out Zeph. Oh right. New creatures creatures are one of the best parts of Star Wars the FLORA THE FAUNA S. All these different bits of organic matter and tech. Why does the world? How did you take to the fact? You really have to slaughter a significant amount of creatures south driving. This gave you the whole time. I did not love that and you actually have you. There's no no way around it. You have to kill them. You have to not only their upsetting. You dismember them. Yeah you sliced graphic fashion which I kind kind of like I'm fine with get it. I just don't understand why I am not also able to then dismember this storm. I felt this way as well. It very satisfying assign. When you can deflect the blaster Bolay back at the storm trooper that feels very true to the cannon this idea that stormtroopers ultimately go down like punk so some of them are hard to kill but yeah kill it Having kill the animals was really tough for me. And then especially when you're grappling with when you reach meditation circle and you have the option to rest riphil recharge but what happens your enemies respond Bon and then you have to kill them all again very tough. It's very very tough very tough. But that general sense of being able to explore the world is obviously one of the. That's my that's what I am pillars. Video experience you just get to spend all of this time doing this when you're sitting there watching the movie you wish you were. We're able to do it. I wish I could just turn left. The camera panned right like that is absolutely appeal of games. Like Rogue Squadron and tie fighter swing when I first started playing battlefront in this was I think xbox. ps to the fact that you're able to fight in like a Camino win facility looking down the hallway at the cone troopers and you're playing as the droids. Let's say and the way you know. My blaster bolts would look when they hit the side of the hallway Sparks would fly and the incredible sound design. I would just like shoot it stuff totally. I would find myself because like that game. The thing that I really loved about it was it. You're talking about like mass life for the time pretty big battles like sixteen or sixteen in battles so it looked pretty populated. And I'm like man this is it. I'm fighting in the galactic civil war. This is what I've always wanted. I just it's like I don't even care I'm just shooting at anything. I'm just shooting at stuff. I'm not even. I'm just like shooting down a hallway as dozens of laser bolts are flying being in every direction and I would just like stare at this and immerse myself in the sensory input. And just be like this. Is it as a star wars fan. This is the culmination home nation of so many of my dreams totally and I mean that obviously applies to the appeal of fantasy. Storytelling in general is what what would it be like to be able to really inhabit that world and was star wars in particular. You want to know what it feels like to swing a lightsaber. You WanNa know what it feels like to shoot a blaster astor. You want to know what it feels like to pilot an x wing or any number of other ships. You want to know what it feels like to set foot down a new planet and peak around the edge of a cliff jeff and discover a new life form that you've never seen before and much like the appeal of so much of the EU now legends and and the television shows part of what is so rewarding about those as the Star Wars Fan. Is that obviously. The the primary films are the harp of Star Wars but you don't get to linger linger. Yeah you don't get to put your hands on an in touch it and feel it and wallow repulsive like jet engine force of the movies is unlike Anything and is a thing that you can't replicate and it's why it's such a quintessential part of the star wars experience part of the germ of the DNA of so much fandom getting getting to just spend like forty hours walking around these planets and befriending or fighting. These different beings is one of the best ways that you can actually attempt to put yourself into the world that you spent so much time watching and thinking about. I really changed things because it at the time when that came out. Yeah I was shooter person. I wanted like frenetic action. I didn't really like platform IRS. I play a little bit of real time strategy but I was mostly like you know Halo Counterstrike Rainbow six that kind of like gameplay experience and then couture's is highly reviewed I think I bought the game of the year editions. Like everything had already happened releasing the game of the year addition but then the fact that it actually meets the hype is part of the thrill of it was like and it was. I WANNA say it had to be my first experience with a turn based system which I was not used to but the writing was so good I was used to kind of like creating this character on the fly right through my actions within a multiplayer experience and this was like so well written and the universe felt so lived in an immersive. I like. Sometimes you just walk around and look at it. It was amazing and it really kind of put by where the company on the map from me as as a company that it'd be like oh they have another Now they've jade empire out. I'll check that out because like cores mazing now mass effect. I'll check that out because like I know that they created the incredible world with incredible dialogue log. Just one of the great experiences and like to your point the Kinda game where you just are like man I think playing for six or seven hours straight totally. Yeah yeah I mean couture is probably an culture to probably the best games for thinking about control. Yeah the idea of agency in control and the way that you have to reconcile with the facts but also get to enjoy the fact that the decisions that you're making and that's a matter at the choices that you're you're making you're not a passenger but that's the acting each of the appeal in a way of video games it's like you can make these weighty choices within life life and death but it's not it doesn't matter but then what couture did was realized the duck imbue these choices with tremendous weight and meaning and yeah. Do you WanNa go light or dark. What do you WANNA do? How do you want to treat people? And it was just like really really cool. where I'd sit there in agonize over choices? Not I used to that and not experienced that in games as really an amazing thing when you when a game is immersive enough to take you to a place where you are sitting in their feeling the weight and responsibility of different characters life. Yes that is an amazing thing and the the characters are another thing to talk about. Because has the by connick character list from just Koto alone is long enough to populate a bazillion wikipedia whether you're talking talking about revenue or H K or any other Carter's forming new connection is one of the great thrills of Playing Star Wars can use game and again of course some of the Games teams have the recognizable characters who were already attached to from the other properties blight that balance between working within an established established. archetype the smuggler. The robe the Djeddai. The sieff someone who is struggling with the balance in which side to turn to a droid any number of other things on it on the list goes it's familiar and it's recognizable but there's this vast constellation of utterly unique doc creations and star wars fans feel as passionately about some of the most iconic video game characters as they feel about Amy Star Wars character period. That's an incredible achievement agreed and then there's the variance there is absolutely something for everyone and then there are many something's ultimately for everyone you know. What kind of vibe are you looking for? How are you looking to spend your time? It's almost like we're kind of strain strain. D Want it's very true. What by looking for tonight? Do you want action. You want to shoot great. We've got that for you. WanNa fly a spacecraft create create. We've got that for. What about like a starcraft age of empires kind of Empire Unit Building Strategy and Great? We've got that for you. It's a immense variance of titles. I mean we were doing research for this. It's like it actually boggles the mind. How many hours it's Amaz- he's like? Why do you want something family friendly and play a Lego game? Do you want own varnished. Grit and violence. Do you want to feel and think. Think about the dark side. Do you want to enjoy effervescent and light like you have every sort of option every sort of style and I think especially right now in a moment in star wars where we spent so much time thinking about how cool it is that the anthology era and the TV show era Kassian show. It feels like it's going to be a spy thriller right like we talk all the time about the the gene variants in the films and the shows and that is applied on really massive scale in the game. Enterprise and again when you couple that with something something like the time spent metric. Yeah if you want one thing you can have that one thing for as long as you want it and then you connect that to again like something like the decision making tree will you can get a different experience within the experience that you already wanted and had if you return to it and make different choices and try something in you again and then you want something totally different next weekend you can find it. You WanNa play with friends you WANNA play alone. which system do you WANNA use public? Do you want to be at home too and be on the move all of it and one of the things that is essential to the fantasy. storytime process is being able to feel like you don't have to leave the world. They that's safe. That's a great point and in Star Wars Video Games. Allow you to have with you all the time. And it's a really precious awesome thing. I mean I'm still regularly playing battlefront. Two they releasing content for their releasing maps for it. They have canoe characters for it. I am consistently running away from darth cities as leveled up characters. Chase me across the world and electrocute me with force powers and I'm enjoying it. It's wonderful still. It is one of the most disheartening things when you're running charging across a map or in the belly of some spacecraft and you look at your little mini map and you see hollow circle which denotes that one of the enemy players is playing playing his fucking Kylo Ren or like or who the fuck ever general grievous. And you're like do I even have time to turn turn around and run away from his character. I really don't and next thing you know you're just dead because general grievous is sliced you into a million pieces. The good news is no. I'm not sure if you've heard the dead speak. So that's fine Jason. You cannot disguise yourself from me yet. Jed Eye maybe. Luca's arts could've helped you once upon a time once no longer so please gathered the patio on learners heads. The Jedi temple everything we need to know about Lucas Arts Lucasfilm Games later to be known as Lucas Arts was founded in May nineteen eighty to one year till the month before returning to hit theaters. It seemed like a great time to get into the industry that you're coin-operated via games generated eight billion dollars in revenue new seems like which is a staggering sum for the time twenty one point three billion in today's dollars does that translate to in Calamar flonaze current as like three stacks of delicious kalibari delightful Calabar sweet With a wonderful stimulate look chewy texture. But not too chewy love them and that number was trending upwards console video games the Atari among them television consoles hitting the market console video games were thriving as well. They generated an estimated three point. Two billion in nineteen eighty three dollars but by nineteen eighty five. That number had fallen to one hundred million dollars. This was the environment in which Lucasfilm Games was operating just to make things. He's more challenging. Lucan gays could not even develop official star wars video games at the time. The licensed to do that was held by Atari the Great Video Jio game crash of Nineteen eighty-three can reasonably be described and this is a stretch about as long as et's neck as Steven Spielberg's fault Atari thinking the gold rush to be on had produced mountains of cartridges for titles. which I thought would sell like gangbusters and they did not the most host agreed destructive bomb was e t the extraterrestrial? The official game adaption of student Spielberg's hit film. So many eight of these little square. Plastic coffin sat gathering dust in Tarez warehouse on bought 'em loved that the decision was made to bury them in the desert desert. Wow this was once thought to be an urban legend and then the documentary. I believe still on Netflix. In which you can watch them die Degan the desert and dig up these cartridges retail outlets had stopped carrying games and game associated merchandise consoles video games. It was popular to think at the time. Were a fad hula-hoop for the modern day these challenges counter-intuitively Free Lucasfilm Games with few major developers in space. The Lane to borrow basketball term was open. The lack of access to the star wars license meant they weren't constrained by existing. Ip and there was less pressure to live up up to the lofty expectations. That would come with the title and their parent company. No small thing was flush with cash. The programmers programmers and developers at Lucasfilm Games could let their imaginations run wild. I'd say that the people that came to Lucasfilm games or the reasons we ended up here David Fox game designer and author and a founding member of Lucasfilm Games told. US Gamers Jazz. Regional in two thousand fourteen are because we are all very much impressed with the type of work that George Lucas did with his films and we appreciate film type. Experience Fox continues in the interview. We really want to get someone feeling like. They're in a new universe and to create an experience of exploring uterus. The interest is the sort of thing that happens in a George Lucas Film. It's like you've been transported to somewhere else now that is soaring and wildly idealistic silicon Silicon Valley type rhetoric so to bring it down a notch. Let us note that according to regional who interviewed five original members of the Lucasfilm Games team including Fox walks. Steve Arnold the company's former. GM Peter Langston. The company's very first employ among others that George Lucas created a company to avoid paying taxes from the article Lucasville gains was actually set up so that the parent company could avoid paying the massive tax penalties incurred due to the vast amount of revenue generated by the stores franchises by investing in his own company. Luke's dodge a-as fees so he created because of games and Film Computer Division. We've always said he's an innovator absolute innovator and all of a sudden the crawl of episode one makes much more sense the company any I made its mark with adventure games. Two dimensional point and click affairs that were popular in the pre. CD-ROM GAMING ERA Lucasfilm Games. I licensed adventure. Chur offering was an adaption of labyrinth. The nineteen eighty-six Jim Henson film produced by Lucasfilm productions and executive produced by Georgia Pacific Labyrinth. uh-huh Jennifer Connelly. Oh Yeah Tell Ya crushing it. In the beginning of her dominance of my personal power rankings. It's been a hell of a run for Jennifer Connelly. Its first adaption of a major. Lucas property was nineteen thousand nine hundred Eighteen Jones and the last crusade need which was released at the same time as the film it was a critical and commercial hit becoming the bestselling Lucasfilm game at the time soon after we consume restructured and looks fun. Games became Lucas Arts. The brand by which it is most popularly known. The early nineties was the golden era of the Lucas Arts Pre star Star Wars history with sequels to monkey island maniac mansion the Jones and original titles full-throttle in the DIG press most crucial for the company's evolution Russian. The early nineties saw Delve into combat. Flight simulators mostly said in a world. War Two million like P thirty lightning and secret weapons of Luftwafte. This experience would be important for the return of a certain license of a certain fictional property which heavily features dogfights in space a long time ago sometime in the early nineties. It's very hard to pin down. Wear but it's clear that it happened because this company began releasing Star Wars Games. uh-huh Lucas Arts acquired. The license produce official Sewers Games in Nineteen Ninety one lucas arts in association with several other studios including Capcom ubisoft often JBC published star wars for the Nintendo entertainment system and other Star Wars Games would quickly follow and then in nineteen ninety ninety three star wars x wing x wing put players in control of the titular. AN ICONIC rebel alliance fighter craft along with the a wing the Y Wing and as an expansion the B wing place apart in three d rendered space battles across various missions ripped from the film's against computer controlled imperial enemies and it was. Frankly Glare everything star wars fans had been dreaming of since the film series debuted in nineteen seventy seven and accordingly. It was an absolute hit game. Sold out in its initial launch in February nineteen ninety-three and earned numerous plaudits including best game of the year and best simulation of the year from computer gaming world. Perhaps more importantly the game spawned a sequel which in Godfather the two like fashion manager surpass. It's impressive originator. Nineteen Ninety four star wars tie fighter was the aesthetic reverse of X.. When placing players at at the controls of imperial craft during the events of the empire strikes? Back and return of the Diana was a mega smash critically and commercially. The game is regarded not not only as among the greatest star wars games ever but one of the greatest games of all time. ITN placed it at number two on its top PC games of all time in two thousand nine nine nine thousand nine hundred ninety five star wars dark forces is Lucas Arts. I first person shooter and introduced players to the iconic and Pioneering Ryan nearing character. Kyle tarn a former stormtrooper turn mercenary working on behalf of the rebellion. The character quickly became a fan favourite and and is a possible inspiration for another four sensitive. stormtrooper turned hero Finn. It's Sequel Nineteen ninety-seven Star Wars dark forces to improved on the formula. Hello by giving players the opportunity to heal the lightsaber and access force powers in single player and online multiplayer. Nine thousand nine hundred. So the release of Star Wars there's rogue squadron a kind of more adventurous cartoony flying adventure game based on the comic series of the same name. If you're a star wars fan you owned or had access to an Nintendo sixty four console you played a lot of rogue squadron period. I miss the and sixty four days. My favorite gaming this absolutely. Here's the thing I remember and sixty four. I didn't have one. I wanted one. My friends had one and even people that I didn't actually consider my friends had one but I would go over their houses specifically to played. Goldeneye rose squadron among other played a lot a lot. A lot of rogue squadron. The game spawned two sepals rogue squadron onto rogue leader and Rogue Squadron. Three rebel strike along with two thousand star. Wars episode won the battle for Nobu which is essentially a successor to rogue squadron all but name Kyle Qatar returns two thousand two Star Wars Jerry nights you Jedi outcast considered by many to be among the best star Wars Games ever in two thousand seven game trailers dot com. Put it at the top of its Star Wars Games of all time power ranking in two thousand three Lucas Arts in collaboration with Canadian developer by where produce the absolutely pioneering turn based Rpg Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic set four thousand years before the events of the prequels game allows players to create in control a character who in various adventures across the galaxy faces off against the sixth the Jed eye etta homicide droid named H. K. forty-seven winner of numerous numerous game of the year. Awards Co tour's considered rightly by many to be the greatest star wars game ever and an ideal example of how to use who's not just the stores. Ip but establish Ip in general. This is how you do it creatively. This is how you do it. innovatively create memorable characters within an existing universe very star wars games followed in the two thousands including star wars battlefront one to which I played the s out of the Shit added. I don't know why we played the Absolute Shit Atta third and first person multiplayer online shooter ripped from the original and Prequel trilogies. My husband was playing battlefront two last night and I I couldn't help but notice at Han is not handsome enough. He looks pretty good. He's in in that stance though to the poses. Right the Hondas Right Stores Empire War which is basically a kind of re skin version of the hit real time strategy game age of empires hires couture and many more and then two thousand thirteen after the Disney Acquisition Lucas Arts was shuttered and numerous unfinished. Projects were cancelled Hansel. Soon after the license Bruce Official Star Wars Games consoles and PC with the exception of mobile was sold to electronic arts which holds to this day our ip to Lucas Arts Rip. Lucas Arts greater on a really incredible rod return afterward from our sponsors star. Wars is presented by state farm state farm agents know that sometimes life throws everything at you at once. Light Goff offender bender when you're already late when it comes to auto and home insurance state farm agents are there for you talk to one of our nineteen thousand state farm agents today the attacks over the phone in person or using the state farm APP find one today and save and now back to binge mode now how to be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best. What's BB eight through eight of the most essential star wars? There's video game characters lady Grace Style and with a little help from our favorite monitor where were folks. It is an honor and dare I say a privilege. That's right to tell you the joining us right. Now is our think we're his paddle. Wants in this instance. He's master more secretly. Shortly jacked master tweets about look luminous beings. Are we not only for Bidgwood fans. That's right only for our audience can reveal now to see currently jack member of the ringer is our guest. Ben limbered great bed Lindbergh guys and we hope that you don't slaughter us like Anikin in the two animals. No I'm CBS. Thrilled to be called upon to talk about one of my favorite topics. I I just wish I could go back twenty years until my mom that she should not make me turn off the computer to practice the piano because all the time she thought I was wasting star. Wars Video Games would someday make me more valuable to the ringer dot com. Yeah but you haven't spent enough time thinking about the piano podcast that you USA. Jason might do one day so it's all going to be useful thing of it that way so many marketable skills then we have so much to get to right now now and you are going to be our guide on this particular aspect of this particular journey. We're going to talk about the eight essential star wars video game characters and obviously there are myriad options here constellation as fast as the galaxy itself. Yes hard to pick eight. We're going to try and part of our strategy for having you WanNa say you're an expert. You have great expertise part of strategies that now people will blame you instead of for the omissions. Okay so before we get into the actual list walk us through the overview of how we are conceptualizing. What essential means and how we are craft today? Yes so we're talking about decades of history here so we can't cover everything and many star. Wars Games will just retrace the steps of the movies or focus on action at the expensive story and character your but the best stars video game characters. I think stand up to anything else in the expanded universe certainly and because of the interactive nature of the Games themselves else I think it allows for a close identification with the characters because you are controlling them and a lot of character depths when done well because video games are really long. I don't if you knew that. But sometimes they are so. This is not necessarily a list of our favorite characters although there's a lot of overlap there but we're waiting for characters who stand out from the pack because of their originality or their popularity or their legacies so we tried to make this more than just a list of the most essential Kotoro characters go several. Kotaro characters have strong cases for inclusion here. But even if we don't mention your favorite couture character we probably like that character to. We didn't have time to talk about them. So you can tweet at me and leave. Mound Jason Yes senator tweets have been we have tweets tweet away. I should mention inch and only one of these characters is a recent addition to the cannon or non Canon but just to reiterate. Beware of spoilers. Because we will be spoiling yes. Benjamin contain spoilers. y'All know it but we'll say it again all right let's start with number E we're GonNa countdown so this is a bit of a deeper pool here. I think this says I'm starting off with boss. Also known as R C eleven. Thirty eight real hipster pick from you have is it kind of is but I never miss a chance to praise his republic commando which is one of my favorite unsung or less Sun Star Wars Games and so technically I appeared in republic commando heart contact attack which is an Italian book that came out shortly before the game did but his full name he was called boss but the eleven thirty eight part wasn't revealed until the game and that's obviously one of many references and stores to George with business I film so boss leads Delta Squad which is a an elite for Person Special Special Forces Unit it's trained by Mendel in mercenaries and it plays a pretty critical role in the battle genesis and later on Cacique and boss has this distinctive orange armor he's sort of a basic just all business bad ass who just scores high on everything in his training. He is pretty terse but he cares about his brothers he has that come rotary. And he has respect. And he's voiced by tomorrow Morrison who played Django Fed and various clone troopers in the prequels in the books and in what was supposed to be a sequel to the game that was cancelled. Delta squad goes on to become part of Darth vader's five hundred first. Legion is tasked with hunting getting down Djeddai and Gendai sympathizers. But we won't talk about that. He was just following orders against them. Some of my favorite cartoon Obi Wan contempt of facial expression work occurs in which is the the boss Delta squad clone wars episode. He really just furrows. That Brown twitches that beard and all the ways that I love so addition. You know that's how I think of Boston. Delta squad foul while talking to them right. That's that's how I feel about us so I think he he has a legacy. installer is because some in a as you just noted he is Canon because they felonious. WHO's always looking to salvage things from the former expanded universe brought boss and Delta Squad into that season three clone wars episode and they got their own action figures which is a status that characters have attained tinned and republic? Meadow is is really unique among Star Wars Games. It's it's very violent it's gritty it's tactical. It's a squad. Based first person and shooter like Rainbow Six meet Star Wars and it gave us what at the time. Two thousand five was a kind of a unique look at the clone. Wars that focused on the troops is rather than the jet. I it's just it's the story of the grunts in this Glac Dick conflict so it helps humanize clones and portrayed them as highly the effective warriors and be as people with distinct personalities rather than just interchangeable cannon fodder so boss and this game are kind of a precursor precursor to the longer richer looks at clone life that we got a few years later in the course I played this game a lot. This was kind of the age of Halo in Rainbow. Six as you mentioned and I think the cool thing about it was kind of unique for a console shooter at the time was that you could give squad orders. Yes he playing with three the other computer controlled warriors and you can have them post up over here and set across fires. It is a really really really cool game. Yeah Man. Each had remake the distinctive personality is still sets and you could deploy them to do various tasks. Oh Yeah it's a great game. I wish it had gotten a sequel. Maybe it's the well. Yeah maybe one day the the action figure thing feels like it's a small little nugget but we all know that in star wars the true signifier of your worth whether there's merch the enterprise springing up around you so that's actually a huge deal and you know to the point you made about helping to humanize the clones. That that really really is for me. I think the coolest thing about this character because it's one of the things that I love the most about the course. TV show and about whether it's in legends or in the primary Canon how diving beyond the primary films into any other aspect of the Canon or the story of the world that you choose to explore getting to see those personalities and understand the thing that is in some ways in a two hour to hour twenty minutes snippet presented as this blank slate. The is there specifically so you or someone can cut through it without thinking about it is. He's actually a living breathing being with agency to an accident. And you're sitting at action figures exactly and intent and designs and I love getting especially in the video game realm. Where part of what is appealing about it is that you are fully immersed in that experience and you are connecting to the characters? Can you feel a direct stake in what happens to them because you are them or your next to them. Thinking about the cleanses people is just really rewarding and I think expands the world in a very fulfilling way. I agree bring back boss. Yes about number seven who I think this listen. Let's just say it. This is correct correct. I don't get recently by aside. This is correct. ONLY GONNA rise up the ranks from here. This is just the beginning. Yes S. B. D. One of Star Wars. I fallen order which came out late last year. He is I mean he is the droid of the Disney era. I'll say maybe that's a heartache. Some great droids podcast. So that's quite a take this also beady one podcast cast right so he is. This tiny bipedal exploration droid he. He has a head that looks like binoculars and he accompanies the protagonist of the again this sort of purchase. Like a parrot on his shoulder he previously belonged to Jedi Master Cordova. WHO's IT Kinda? The scholar figure and Cordova left a trail for Callan his companions to follow and vaults he turned on the it very difficult to follow his trail. For whatever reason so feed is just essential to CAL's quest he slices equipment he reveals hidden information formation. He heals him. He defense him fiercely physically he at one point. And this is a spoiler. He Attacks Darth vader. He takes on moment ahead on early shot upgraded throughout the game. And there's just a really close bond in between beauty and the player Kaz. The player can press a button to make cal talk to him at any time and get hints and his voice which is sort of a a standard mixture of whistles and loops Simpson. bleeps was designed by the legendary star. Wars Sandman Ben Burtt in his appearance and his personality. Were partly inspired by snoopy and Woodstock As well as one of the game designers dogs so he is very much a pet energy. And you just you feel really strongly connected to him by the end of the game. And whenever he's in danger incher it's like a protect one situation. Oh Yeah Hell yeah protect. PD One at all. Costs he just in terms of his. You know you described up and knock you like aspect to his eyes and his face he. He reminds me of wally. Yes yeah yeah he does have a while such little Walli face and I think that you know I am so fond of at the second. I saw him in the marketing for the game. Before it even playing the game I was in love. I was smitten. Because of the Association and the fondness in my heart that it instantly just seeing him recalled m. We can talk about this more as we get to the kind of instant legacy of character but to speak to my personal experience for a second here you know. I don't have a Yoda of the star. Wars video game. History that you to have. This is a newer thing for me and playing fallen order beatty one is in some ways the first star wars video game character who I ever fell in love with it. And that's like a special bond in your life. They really mean to me. They're almost two hundred stores via game so it's not like this happens all the time but it does happen. I can see see from every game has a signature break character. But but he's happen and and Beady is absolutely one of those characters rightful inclusion per perhaps it's too soon to say what his legacy is or will be. But I mean if you liked in the rise of skywalker. The Detroit J.J. Abrams plays is just go. Play fall in order for a brief moment when I screened the movie I thought that was. They had a very brief moment. squeaky they're sweet. Ben I all you are married into a circus family. Yeah so you need to say dio respect for the daily share okay. That's how we sat here continue so is ten times better than. Do One hundred times better than he's made unnecessary shots in neo here here. He was a marvel in his own right but continue. I mean no one even talks to. Do they should be consulted him for more information but beatty is like maybe the the most expressive i. I don't know if he's the most adorable troy. But he's the most expressive -joyed installers history. I think because of his design because of the is because of all the way can emotes and emotions and this is like kind of the golden era of tiny cute characters in Star Wars. Like the we have the poor works. We have Babu Frick. We have baby yoga but beatty still stands out in what has become a pretty crowded starrewards face I. I would rank him right behind baby yoga in the hierarchy of cuteness because he combines that cuteness with capable nece and yeah yeah hidden depths are revealed throughout the game so like Iota When we meet some Monday goodbye he turns out to have these hidden powers and he knows much more than he initially? Let's on in so cal is kind of a generic character. I think. But just just almost single-handedly single jointed the elevates fallen orders story into pretty memorable territory so unforgettable -joyed PD one. I love also you know especially because of the way that he is physically position so often in the game. He's up on cal shoulder. It's just kind of propped up real iota backpack five do hopefully awfully. No one is getting tetanus you know not digging the clause and quite the way that yoga was on data but Dan like the way. He leaps off when you're supposed to go in a certain direction and he wants to show you. Something really really does your home. We've talked about this before with droids but recalls a pet you know that companion someone who's GonNa be there by your side for support and encouragement arrangement but also to help show you the way. Illuminate a new path for you. You know I watch shameless. So whenever I look I just think of Ian Balaguer which is a tough fought a tough blocked for me personally to overcome but beatty was just his own invention and founded the fact that he was there to be such an immense it's inconsistent source of comfort lakes. It's scary when you're on those new maps and especially when you realize it in this game how that's it's it's large and it's it can be at times a bewildering going. Hey crushed crushed planet. And I'd call my Hamam up and it's like you've seen twelve percent. I don't know how that happened but single player game but it makes it feel like up game because exhibit is backed by the time exactly and I think that it's a really emblematic example. Love How some of the best things that happened elsewhere in star wars allow for that harmony between tapping into an idea that we kind of hold us fundamental which is that bond between an organic character and Adroit but also to establish something that is new because these are not characters that we had a connection to previously. It's it's really wonderful. Yeah right all right. Number Six Gra Brea Aka Dr Tra- so now's a character introduced in Kota. So don't worry we will get to. Og Coach in just a moment here but CRA is An elderly human fore sensitive character who accompanies the player throughout couture to and I think is just easily easily the most captivating character in this game and she is a former Jedi historian. Kind of a new character who who wears jet yet. I rose at the beginning of the game. Although we later learn that she is secretly also the former SIEFF. Lord Darcy Trae so while with Jeddah she was one of the teachers features of the future. Darth Raven who we will discuss very soon. And with the seth she tutored two of the antagonise coach or toot Darci on and darth nihilists so so she was exiled from both orders. No one wanted her or didn't like them and by the time coach to she's just this unaffiliated wildcard who who kind of forms a force bond the player character and access the enigmatic mysterious mentor. So she's pretty rude. She's dismissive of most people people. But she sees great potential in this protagonist and she deeply cares for him in this sort of weird twisted way and she is blind because her eyes have atrophied from perceiving things solely through the force which is kind of cool yeah she has a wide array of power. She's telepathic. She has the ability to heal wounds. Wins in control animals. Enforce your future and she can wield three lightsaber. I telecommute which is just a four Sarah. It's impressive yeah. So it's not overall as well written in a strong game as the original couture but CRA I think holds up to the best characters in that franchise I I like. How many of the things you just listed are a photo example of something that has since been introduced in a way that feels revelatory but ultimately Lee isn't like four ceiling is such a big thing right now right with seeing Yoda force he'll man I know we've cargo? And obviously obviously the way the force hilling played such a pivotal role in Rice's skywalker with ray and Kylo. You know we talked about this. A lot of the pot already but force healing is very representative presentative of the what is Canon legends. What is primary can and what the Secondary Canon and how they're all of these examples of how something has been incorporated corporated into some aspect of the story before even if it's not the specific execution that we ultimately saw on display here and then even something like the the wheeling the multiple lightsabres? It's one of those things where we see grievous not a force sensitive but trained in the arts of lightsaber wielding any. And you're just like I'm not impressed. Okay cool your twirling four lightsabres with your metallic whims. I see that and I raise you. Three Saber wielded Tele Connecticut. It's a it's a great point you oh Craiova probably has not counting who you know the future is yet to be written. Probably the least impact outside of this game then some some of these other characters has an and I think you finger on it with her incredible force powers and abilities to tell economically. She's lightsabres to kind of use a video game term. She's he's a little low p wouldn't you say then yeah. I think that's fair. She kind of has every force power that it's possible have and for ceiling is a very video. GimMe Power really has only recently showed up in other aspects of stars. But you're right. She doesn't really recur in the rest of the expanding universe. She's pretty much one in done. She is allied with the player for most of the game and then she becomes an antagonist after her heel. Turn and then she dies in the final boss battles spoilers again and I think even so though. She's this unique character. Who really anticipate some of the questions that come up in the sequel trilogy of the nature of the force and whether the Jeddah actually know what they're doing and whether they're really on the right path and she doesn't fit in with the jet or the south she just rejects that whole late dark distinction? She wants to cut everyone off from the force. which would either end the force or end all life? And she's fine with it either way. So she just believes in practicality and personal empowerment talent more than traditional ideas about good or evil and so she she kind of breaks the mold of most Star Wars Heroes and villains. She's pretty thought provoking. I think that this was particularly really interesting to think about in house GonNa say two thousand nineteen. I keep forgetting that. We're a new year. Good Lord New Year Same Stars. Same wars as we dig into saying thank but the idea of nihilism in the role that nihilistic outlook can or should play infancy storytelling was obviously as Lee a big dominant narrative in the back. Half of native game of thrones. I think that how those kinds of instincts and character tendencies are deployed. You know varies obviously franchise to franchise. It could be either incredibly deflating or stimulating and thought provoking depending on Coltman execution. What I love about it here and I think that this taps into menu as one of the defining legacies of quote unquote or two is that the willingness to hugh examine that moral ambiguity and the role that moral ambiguity? Ken In does and should play in. Life is not only important but I think imperative could not agree you know moving beyond the what is often moral binary than star. I think some of the most stimulating moments calm when characters are willing to challenge that whether that's because they found themselves in some sort of circumstance danced in the context of the moment dictates thinking about things in a different way or because they're willing to blow it all up also. It doesn't matter having the chance for the characters in the world and thus the people who are accessing the world through a video game controller film screen anything to think about it in those slightly slightly altered terms. I think that's an incredibly important and rewarding thing. All right number five is not a unique character not paradigm altering Buddy Guy Dash Ren dyer. Who is the the star of shadows of the Empire? He was technically introduced. I via a supporting role in the shadows of the empire novel which was part of the same multimedia rollout that preceded the release of the game. But he's best known for being the Games Games so playable character and honestly he's kind of a cut rate hyun-sil he's he's onslaught rip off can say like Khan. He is a just an egotistical testicle hotshot Corelli pilot he initially enlists with the empire he gets kicked out of the academy he becomes a smuggler on the outer rim and subsequently fight for the rebels so some slight parallels there you may notice some similarities but he plays an important part in shadows which is mostly set between the empire strikes back and return the jed eye he fights at the battle of us. He tries to track down Boba Fett so he can rescue on class helps save the lives of naked and his physical appearance always handsome but all areas vary somewhat between the Games on the books and comics but he has these massive poltroons as politicians. Politicians are always on point. So He's a memorable character not really a one that opened up new ground in star wars but I think if you ask most people to name MM star wars video game characters. He would be one of the first. That comes to mind the Paul Jenkins. I know only hear that word in the arms voice from the mandatory and by the way Paul holdren. I can't hear it. I suppose Ren's seemed to me at the time a clear nod to the kind of Popular Comic Comic Book Style at the time that was brought to the fore by Rob Lee field is kind of murderous was working at marvel at the time. It was this progenitor of like huge Asia gear huge Paul Jones huge gauntlets like way. Too many pockets on the bandelier like all that kind of stuff and dash written are at absolutely felt of a piece with that particular aesthetic movement of the time. I didn't love the game. I didn't love shadows of the Empire Even though I wanted to but I agree with everything. You've you've sent here. Yeah so he had his own action figure. So he passes the action figure test crew Sean in his ship the outrider which is again like the Millennium Falcon a heavily modified brilliant light freighter but got its own toy too so it pass that test and the outrider was drawn by longtime star wars designer. Doug Chiang and it was digitally inserted into our some us is leasing in the special the addition of episode for one of George Lucas. Many meddling not one of the worst ones but does the outrider at any point. Shout Madan game it does not. At least I haven't watched on Disney plus to see tabby don't rule it out. Yeah Yeah so both the ship and the character are Kenan currently so it's not original really. He played the starring role basically so that developers would be a little less constrained in their plot than they would with the movie character but but he's still very well known because he had this prominent role in one of the most prominent non movie projects and he filled in for hot. I mean Han was hanging on Java's wall. During this period period Dash Renderos there to fill his very identical shoes and what the politicians really have like eighties and nineties. NFL highlight shoulder pad vibes to me. How do you how did he walk through doors? It's it's almost like Hugh Hugh of the roles that people now take on. Airplanes at really is a big target. Does it really stealthy if you in dash all right number. Four is star killer also known as the apprentice. Also known as Galen Allan Merrick although he's named novel not in the game and technically he's a clone of himself in the sequel to the first game so he is the star of the force unleashed and then reappears the sequel the foursome these two. And these aren't among my favorite Star Wars Games but a lot of work went into the story and the character because the force unleashed least was envisioned essentially as episode three and a half of the skywalker saga so like shadows. It was kind of cross platform event that George Lucas helped plan and for better or worse. So star killers. Parents were fugitive jed eye and he is raised by Darth vader. After vader kills his father author so that they're definitely daddy issues here. He comes vader's secret apprentice. He helps them hunt down jet who survived order sixty six. And he's extremely greenlee. Well attuned to the force. He's survives his childhood encounter with Vader by just instinctively reflexively tapping into his power. Almost like Harry Harry Potter up to be a matchmaker. So star killers is choices choices. Circulars voiced by Sam where who went onto darth Maul and rebels and Solo in stark killer is call sign speaking of Sam Whitmer and call signs by the way Ben. Of course he's crash down in battle star Galactica yes of course if needed and being human and other favorable so many it is the best thing. I'm not sure if I I'm sure the hardcore bitch heads are aware of your various allusions to aid in. Yeah I love those vampires. GotTa be you've got to be across the table from al which he mentioned him to truly understand the kids. Talk out the memes work. Bite me in the neck and drain me and my life work star killer. Is the characters call sign the developers wanted Lucas to give him a name a title as credible so they go to Luke Luke they asked for suggestions obviously suggests darth in San ious and darth George. Darling Gas A. in his idea they were just like all right. Thanks George will will will run that up the flagpole see if it sticks it did not they just stuck with star killer which which was smart. So I if anyone had been around to stop him from Yuan Sleazebag Gano and some of the other terrible names of the prequels. No one was there to say no but in stark killer at least they were so anikin. Circular of course was originally supposed to be. Luke's name sells star killer is basically what Luke might have looked like if he had accepted vader's offer in the empire strikes back and he's Kinda what Kylo wanted to be like. kylo would be really jealous of the quality time that's killers spins with not just the broken helmet. The actual almost flesh and blood guy so at the beginning of the first game he's it's just the embodiment of unrestrained unleashed dark side power which was pretty satisfying to see and to control. Like if he were at the battle of X.. Sagawa he he could have ended it in seconds because in one cut scene he famously uses the forest to just a star destroyer from the sky and then out runs it. Like it's the cruise ship from speed too. So if you thought that the movie yeah if you thought because she uses the force to blow but transport that she wasn't actually on this is size matters not on a massive scale. This is a star destroyer so because of his background he is understandably. I would say pretty pretty psychologically damaged and even though he does a lot of evil things. He was indoctrinated by Vader from childhood. So he didn't really choose to be bad which leave some room for redemption and because he is vader's personal apprentice he's not totally aligned with the empire. pelleting doesn't really know he exists. He's not supposed to the no and although he eventually turns on Vader and vice versa and he sort of has a hand in the origins of the alliance is seems to do so partly for his own reasons rather other than just as a a complete convert as a fighter for a conventional. 'cause so these weren't really great games but it is a very cool character. I love the character actor. I love thinking about how Anikin was just probably constantly measuring star killers performance against US focus prior achievements tale of the tape of the apprentice tale of the tape there and on the darth Santos tip quickly. Dr Deke. No love for it. Just never liked to miss an opportunity to to remind our our listeners. That darth vader was almost darth Wilson. Or ever forget. Yeah never doesn't call. I am sky. So that's that's nice. I Guess Sky Guy in snaps. All right we're up to the top three here. We go now now. We are getting to Qatar as talking time. Revon who is the lead playable Carrie Kahn. Incur also appears in the old republic. So this is the the playable protagonist of the game. He is a former Jedi who developed a reputation as the jeopardize crusader in the men. delorean worse but eventually he grows frustrated with the Jedi order as a lot of jet I seem to do their inactive he renounces his knighthood. He goes away for a while. He comes back as Darth Revon. At the head of a massive SIS. Fleet people are always finding sip fleets and bringing them to conquer the republic so he hopes to use this to unite the Galaxy Lexi but he is betrayed by his apprentice. Darth Malik and he is believed to be dead but he is secretly saved since then reviled by Waie who cried memory and brainwash him to think that he is just a garden variety republic soldier but no one knows this until revenue encounters. Malik in the game. Malik is the principal antagonists of the game and Malik reveals the truce. At which point the player can decide whether to turn evil again or return to the chat. I so you've been hearing about reverend all the way through the game. You've been getting little scraps of information trying to find out what this character used to be. He has an initia- and then the bombshell drops and you find out that he is revving. You've been reverend the entire time you are revenue an incredible moment. It really is suspects like reveal that will absolutely compel you to play the game. Yes more than one time. Yes right the whole nature of choice recent hire decisions dictate the path and the coder franchises. Obviously but elemental part of the appeal but then this twist really is on par with with the vader. Her father reveal as these lake things that you kind of camp believed. They were able to conceptualize and then achieve and and also things that whether you experienced directly firsthand or you absorbed through Osmosis or some other you know you heard about it some other way. The the thrill amazingly miraculously does not abate. Even if you know what you're expecting like you can just go call up on Youtube now and watch the cut scene gene and it's like absolutely spine tingling and chilling dissing just incredible bay and the choice to have the character that you're gonNA play be this blank slate. Sleep because of the Nesia is so brilliant because it allows for this setup where you think that everything everything you do is determining some course that may or may not ultimately do and then the other thing I love about it of course is one of my favorite things to think about in star. Wars is like anytime we get. Are we sure the jed eye are good. Kind of you know like the morality on a plan that side of it is just as fascinating to think about as everything that revenue or Malik or any other their character and the game. We're GONNA get to another one momentarily or doing and then of course you have the just the fuck in Lake Malik mouthguard aspect of this. Where again the power? You're of the moment. In the reveal is so seismic that somehow the fact that a guy with like his night braces in is delivering it to you is not in any way diminishing the impact just marvelous achievement in Qatar. You can't say enough about it. I didn't play Baldur's gate. But Co taught was the game that really put by aware on the map for me and I'm sure a lot of other people and and really established them as a leader in the RPG space and a leader in understanding how to right video games in a compelling way in Lake truly right compelling story lines that as a player you just could not wait to move through and of course they would realized that with the mass effect series which came out a few years after this but yeah incredible best in class writing and do it in an Ip like Star Wars. I it just elevated it to really really really really special place and I think still is influential in the sense of this is how you work in establish battleship. This is how you can do it really creative and interesting way and tell a fresh story in a galaxy that people at least think think they know very well right how can you create something that feels Russian new but also feels totally of a piece with the thing that people already love. Expect that's like one of the fundamental questions that faces anyone trying to do anything in Star Wars and the other thing that this character and the franchise the whole do so brilliantly silently is like tap into that choice versus destiny idea with revenue in particular. The idea that other people around him no this thing but he doesn't and he is deprived arrived. This access to this fundamental truth about who he is. Do the choices you make matter if other people are pulling your strings all the time the answer is ultimately ultimately yes but it's a fascinating examination of how the quote unquote destiny whether that's handed down by prophecy or some sort of cosmic dictate or just the way that other people other other beings are trying to manipulate you and leverage you in some way for their agenda and their gain. It's just a that's like a heavy heavy heavy idea and the game makes you think about it consistently we're also just having such fire. Your choices really really matter was just a legitimately mic drop moment. It changes changes your perception of your Avatar in the game it changes your perception of all the characters who've been in your party the whole time. Maybe they've known things about you that you didn't know it was just shocking. As you said it was the closest equivalent to I. Am Your Father Bombshell. And if you compare this to like the ray reveal that she's a Palestinian tean. That just did that surprise anyone that we don't have to get into that. You're just saying no one was upset about this. This was just universally approved. This was like the water cooler moment of coming in two thousand and three and revenue. He did get his own action. Figure like your passes the test he was supposed to be restored to cannon by a clone worse episode in season three but he was cut in late in production. He's in a deleted had seen I believe but just recently he was seemingly restored to cannon by the rise of skywalker visual dictionary. Which explains that one of the legions of palpitations minions in the movie is named after Reverend so that opens up the possibility that if Disney decides to go back in time with future? Ip appear that revenue could be featured in a future film. So that's exactly yes fuck and do it all right number two going back to co tour and just shouts to all the code characters that we cannot cover here if you are a fan of best lowered Jolie or missioner's Albar Malik or canvas. I feel your pain. But we just don't have spots for all of them but we did have a spot for the best H.. K. forty-seven who introduced co Tori. He comes back and Co torture TORTU. He's brought back due to popular demand in galaxies in the old republic and HP forty-seven Lake reven doesn't really know who he is. What has back next door is for much more because he was constructed by reven to assassinate political opponents jet I but his memory was wiped so he doesn't recognize revenue when he the encounter seven code but he retains his core self which is essentially a love of violence and sense of superiority so he looks like a protocol droid he can pass for one which he uses to it as advantage but he is free does sarcastic disdainful beef oh bidder and yet beloved hunter killer -joyed? He's like Marvin the paranoid android just as a homicidal maniac and he is scornful of all lifeforms. He resents even calling his master master although he sort of respects revenue in a way because like they're both real sadistic tillerson. They recognize that in each other there but he is the most dark side aligned member of your party in Qatar and of course he has a very distinctive speech patterns so he prefaces statements with a classification of what he's about to say so he'll start off by saying query or mockery or retraction and he calls all organic meat bags especially human out of all he mostly wields blaster rifle but he can use a wide array of weapons has some technical and mechanical skills and I mean so so many memorable quotes but for me. I like the fact that he defines love as knowing your target putting them in your targeting ridicule and together achieving singular purpose against statistically long odds. I mean it sounds right to me. It also sounds like the log line for a new Black Mirror episode that I for one. I'm ready to watch. I love the the Sassy humor. And the fact that like some of the most satisfying star wars characters are the astles who loved one hundred till the the shit talkers. And you know Ben. You're going to talk about this more in a second but like the evolution of droid characters and Star Wars. We've seen so so much of that. SAS come through with with characters we ultimately think of as good or who have been reprogrammed to be good. And you know one case. But whether you're thinking thinking of Mr Bones or L. Three and K to so many examples of characters who had some level of this ferocity ferocity and also this real like personality and identity and the fact that character who is a bad guy. I don't want to be mean but like engaged cancelling on not a great Greek I. It's still someone you WANNA spend on. I with part of what I think. The appeal is this is that you know. droids are looked down upon looked askance upon throughout the galaxy and certainly at this particular time in the galaxy system. That's true and unlike say l.. Three three who is a fervent apostle for droid equality deliberation H. Kate is a droid supremacist. And I I love it. I really appreciate his militant bias against biological jiggle creatures. He's forget merely being on par with the rest of creatures in the galaxy. Would have you know that he is superior and she has a point it because he kind of point she's she's deadlier and yeah. I mean we got a taste of this. I guess with Eve Ninety Nine job torture. droid red in Jeddah. That was sort of the first statistic droid but we just got a glimpse of that trade whereas we spend hours and hours with H K and they're just lines lines and lines and lines of dialogue. You get to know him really well. And he's just one of the funniest most original most quotable characters all of star wars so as he said I think he either directly or indirectly inspired some of the droids. We've seen during the Disney era and I think just H K and the revenue reveal. Just they really represent the potential of bio are you aware is writing and character creation applied to this pre existing star wars universe so it was just so satisfying at the time for this character to enter. What was then the CAN I think? HK's also an interesting droid in particular but really character on general for thinking about like nature versus nurture and thinking about the role of Ai and what level of sentence is influenced by like innate personality and characteristics by the experiences that droid and character actor undergo versus sort of inherent programming and with especially with the role that the memory wipes play for H K. You know what does h have access to at any given moment about his own experience and who he is in the what is kind of just court being what has been programmed into him either by code or by the things that he has asked to do and then what is there like a a real almost lost four on his heart. I love thinking about that. I think he's one of the best examples of auto character that allows you to ask those kinds of questions. And there is a part of his arc where he gets reprogrammed with this pacifistic module. So he'll no longer wants to kill. It's it's almost like foreshadowing foreshadowing. It eleven in men Laurean except that in his case it doesn't really stack is just too hard wired his blood lust. You can't really erase it. He just doesn't feel like himself anymore. Never took to the life partner straight all right we have come to the top character number one character all star wars video. Video Games is a no brainer. I think so kyle so no brainer. How Qatar in just the trailblazer men? Who did all introduced in dark forces then became the star of Alta Jet Games lethal alliance US probably in as many big Says anyone and was just really a precedent setting character. So he's kind of like what you would get if you crossed Luke with Hun so luke was originally supposed to be the playable character in dark forces and then again they figured. What's let's use a a fictional character so we don't have to be bound by what we know? Luke does or doesn't do but he does almost everything anti hero or a hero in stars can do he. Just T- checks every box. He joins the empire then he works as a mercenary with a Caribbean light. Freighter and a smuggler sidekick. Then he operates as an agent it and then he becomes a jet. I and J Master and a council member. I mean that's all of it. That's like the Star Wars. He got he just did everything you can possibly do and I think keep foreshadowed a lot of developments from the Disney movies because asks doing the death star plans couch Tiran and his associate Jan.. WHO's a coup character? Turn her own rate. Did that decades before Kassian Gin do it. In rogue one he defects from the Empire. He joins the good guys and then he discovers that he's four sensitive if Qatar did that decades before Finn. He cuts himself off from the force only to find that he can do more good if he opens himself back up to the force again. He he did that decades before. Look in the less yet so he really was sort of like the test case for all of these things that became part of the movies later on and I think he was maybe more interesting as the original rogue than he was later on as a jet. I with this kind of boring beard but hold on a second not a bad beer and you always like the beard is the one way that he has a Lobi wanted. Okay I love the will not. I will not stand by and allow the beard slander all of that but even as he balances late and dark kind of like we were talking about with cray he balances these binary binary things in a way that differs from that depiction so in Jedi Knight. You could send him down a dark path right path but by Jedi outcast both this could kind of coexist and he would have powers that sort of pulled from both branches of that spectrum. So he really did it all and also his ship incredibly. It's called the Moldy Crow which is one of the best star wars spaceship edge. There is a real like quirkiness and injection of you know maybe the opposite of ambience spend and that means our Canon in Star Wars but anyway moldy crow so just I mean considering what we just talked about how his arc anticipated pitted all these future events and his standing in the old expanded universe. Yes he had an action figure. He had an actor who played him in these slightly cheesy cheesy full motion video cut scenes in the ninety s and he appeared in a bunch of the fuck. I think he's arguably the most significant character who is not currently cannon and absolutely. Yeah and he's just a pivotal figure in the history of Star Wars Video Games because he came before most of these other characters are all of these other the characters that we've been talking about and I think his popularity proved that the Games could really introduce these original breakout characters who could kind of stand on their own and not not just be either boring blank slates or people from the movies that were just populating. The Games dark forces demonstrated that stars video games could really tell compelling standalone stories. That didn't really tie into the movies at all so bring back Kyle Qatar in he is not currently cannon but his legacy Jesse with Zahn nonetheless the list of iconic essential characters who are not in current Canon even just being on that list is an achievement and being in the running for the top spot with some of the other figures who fans basically wait in desperation to see brought into the Canon a new that is a real testament to the lasting impact that he has in the place that he has in the hearts of so many star wars fans. Yes handsome as well but importance for what it's worth just throwing then. That was wonderful. My pleasure I wake up everyday. They hoping someone will ask me to talk about Stars Video Games and surprisingly. It doesn't usually happen today. It did. Well listen this just shows you that anything is possible and that if you make the right choices fire will have coded something. Interior programming story ultimately allow you to get to the path that has has the outcome that you so desperately seek so thank you for joining us today. It was really a delight and say hi to grim eyewear us. She's been here all signed. uh-huh wow didn't know she's she's the PD. One to Mike Outcast now. Oh it's so sweet. She going violently shock. I don't know hopefully somebody very very evil. Maybe a mugger. Yeah we'll see but yet I'm honored. I'm flattered that you guys asked me to do this when I get a message from you to giving me the Darth vader. We would be honored if you would join us. I cannot define an and honestly ever since the mode fans at my own wedding started snapping Razzi takes of U2 Day. I've dreamed of appearing ventured myself just to snatch some reflected. Dreams can come true while it was lovely to be at at your wedding and you know. Let the record state the you would never have known that. We were two minutes late if they hadn't been something. That's absolutely niche on by that. Yeah but this was our combat. We had each other. That's how we want and I just want to say it was beautiful to be here with the to you. I know the talking about video games together. They're obviously as a shared passion gloves yours and it was just a delight for me to tag along with us too as Luke Kuhn said. No one's ever really gone including greetings all right Ben. Thank you Jason. Yeah there's no truth in the force but there's truce in you exile and that is why it shows you. That's also why we chose today's winner every episode. We're gone or the character seeing seeing idea. Rally the troops advance the cause in today. The winner of our medal of bravery is Of course I don't know how it could be anything else Kotor would have to be. This is a game that came out out in the mid two thousands. I personally know several people who are playing this game now regularly for like their dozen th playthrough who even knows house. It's nights of the old Republican Sequel Obsidian Entertainment's Co Tortu six lords not enough talk about how city and just came in and had to do this in like barely more than a year. I mean that's honestly crazy stuff. Luckily like the engine existed. But yeah a lot these more than any other star wars video game franchises have become a force unto themselves considered sittard by many many the greatest star Wars Games ever made and certainly in the running if another game happens to claim your personal spa yes and both. RPG Games are absolutely adored for their story scope. There is kind of characters like some of the ones we just exploited Ben and many others their innovation but also really specifically for their complex examination of morality and as we talked about with Ben Coders. Ravin reveal is an all time star wars and really storytelling. It's an empire esque. Twist in general crafting a game around the users. The players choices remains a master stroke that led to even by the standard of Star Wars Games a level of investment and stakes. That have been hard hard to match. And as you heard Jason talked about earlier citing mass effect have spawned this entire John. NRA OF immersive gaming. Disney's his knees de Canonization of Kotor along with all the other. EU stuff has in some ways. counter-intuitively increased cores q score as it's a near constant constant source of speculation regarding which character which element which thing will be reintroduced into cannon and how that might happen in through which particular medium. Now that we're in the Disney plus era. How will this happen will happen? It seems sure that at some point some aspect of couture will enter enter the candidate and as we noted earlier. Thanks to that Revenue Legion trooper namedrop in the recently published stores Skywalker the visual dictionary. It seems seems like revenue may in fact be cannon now waiting on official confirmation in acknowledgement of that. But it's certainly the widely held interpretation of what that means what has occurred regardless coach or could soon enter the Disney Canon by this screen as it's been a source of frequent recent remiss from the short lived. Benny often white project. And beyond this. You guys what are you guys up to indeed in May two thousand nineteen buzzfeed's Kate. Arthur reported that late to Keller. Grievous was beginning work on a script for a film based on coach. Tore while Lucasfilm did not confirm that report Kathleen Kennedy had told MTV News. You said April Star Wars celebration that quote yes. We are developing something to look at Benny often. We of course exited the project after these reports and even absent definitive. UNITIVE clarity on the film front because of course even if we do actually get that script develop that doesn't guarantee correct. The final film product couture has enjoyed. Wait an incredibly vibrant post decolonization life with a really active really inventive and imaginative. Highly highly. Highly passionate community there. Are you're a million examples so we can point to to show that just one of them is the maters who has spent a decade and a half updating corridor too because that's that masterpiece which is cherished was never finished rushed through because of the production timeframe those games aims of course wanted to ultimately inspired the old republic. MMORPG's e experience. Not for everyone I never got into. It loved by many not for everyone. I think he thinks it's interesting to talk about and think about what the prospect of a code R. Film. We both really really really WanNa see that nights to the republic explored. NFL fell more show. Can they bring the twist foil in that format serve. It would be very unusual suspects. Ask I mean you'd have to to the power of the twist. Is that you end up. As Ben noted you end up interrogating everyone around you and also the the things that you have done within the game if they could figure out a way to do it it would be fucking massive. Yeah let's ZIP back four thousand years and really really have fun with something that is going to be new to a wide swath of people but is absolutely precious so many others seems like a very rich tax. 'CAUSE I hope we get it all right. Friends fearful spread and the galaxy will remember who is in control. Just keep telling US glands. Akram are indispensable producers researcher researcher. And thanks for joining us today as well. We hope the off as much fun as we did. Say that. You're as excited as we are back into the speeder. And continue to explore the galaxy with us and they will join us again next time as Benjamin Star Wars continues its adventure too. I see a little cartoon. Obi You want from flown wars. We go not so distant future until up. We have the entire galaxy in front of us yet for the first time in our lives. What's we don't know where to go? Query why am I not the winner of this episode. H K coach was the winner nurseline. In a sense you did win observation. That's absolute bullshit. You disgusting bag of Meat Okay. Wow that's a lot observation. I am the best part of coats who are live four. I should be the winner. H I can only apologize I'm sorry.

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INTRODUCING: Twenty Thousand Hertz and THX

Household Name

23:37 min | 6 months ago

INTRODUCING: Twenty Thousand Hertz and THX

"Ah Colo- and welcome to this brought to you by bonus episode. I'm Charlie Herman. Hope you're all doing well. In just a few weeks we'll be back with a full season of news stories but until then we wanted to share another installment in our podcast club. That's where we bring you stories from other shows. We think you might enjoy and this week. Our choice comes from twenty thousand Hertz. A podcast that tells the stories behind. The world's most recognizable sounds in this episode. It's all about a brand name you've probably heard but might not know much about thx. It's that deep swelling sound. You often hear right before movie starts. I love it just gets me pumped for movie. Well it turns out we might never heard of that sound if it weren't for Star Wars. Here's Dallas Taylor. The host of twenty thousand Hertz. Imagine yourself in a movie theater. You're settling into your seat and it's one of those nice ones with a headrest and leans back you've managed to balance your popcorn on the armrest. The lights dim a year. Two thousand seventeen soon. The previews are over and the lights fade out completely. You're listening to twenty thousand Hertz. The stories behind the world's most recognizable and interesting sounds. I'm Dallas Taylor. This is the story of the thx deep. Note if you've been to the movies anytime since nineteen eighty-three it's likely that you've encountered the announcement that your theater is thx certified. The visual is mainly a three letter logo. But the sound is unforgettable still before we dive into. What's behind that sound? Let's imagine what movies might sound like without thx. In in nineteen eighty. That type of bad theater sound might have been what you experienced as Darth vader revealed that he was Luke skywalker father if it wasn't for George Lucas for empire strikes back George. Lucas also hired an audio engineer. Besides myself come Hohmann. They were scouting theaters in San Francisco for the debut of empire strikes back and they went to a well known theater. One of the old majestic theaters to make sure the salad system was okay. That's Andy more in the early eighties. He was the head of the digital audio department in the Lucasfilm Computer Division. When they got there there are a bit horrified. The sound systems of the day consisted of left center right surround so there should be three speakers behind the big screen of the three speakers. He found one was disconnected. One had fallen over and the other one was turned around backwards. They're completely horrified by that. So Tom Holman said heck with this. Look let's invent something or let's come up with a system a standard by which we can measure the theaters and we can assure the sound sounds the same in the theater as it does in the mixing theater when the artists were mixing it. But this wasn't the first time George. Lucas had used his influence to change the cinematic experience. Before the release of the original Star Wars. It was still common for a lot of movie theaters to have a basic mono sound system. So he knew something had to change. George Lucas liked to use his muscle. If you will when bringing out a new film. That's how dolby stereo came to be George. Lucas insisted that if you wanted the seventy millimeter. I run of Star Wars. You had to put on Dobie Stereo in your theater. That was exactly what happened. The first one hundred and sixty or so theaters that played star wars did so on Dobie Stereo by the time return of the jet. I wasn't production. Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon. And George Lucas was a film making Rockstar. Because of this rock star Status Lucas was able to use his weight and influence again this time insisting that to be able to show his new film theaters would have to go a step further become. Thx certified that's where thx. Came from. The name was just made up taking loosely from George Lucas Student Film. Thx Eleven thirty. Eight sometimes called at least in house. It was called Homelands Experiment Tom. Holman was the engineer in charge of research for this new endeavor and to be clear. Thx Is not a system for encoding or decoding audio. It has nothing to do with. How sound is recorded? It's all about how a movie is played back to an audience. It encompasses everything from the quality of the speakers to the quality of the Acoustics to the quality of the picture. Almost everything about the movie going experience George Lucas funded. This research to guarantee that what you experience in your theater is exactly what. The filmmakers intended similar technology has changed dramatically over the past. Thirty five years. That's rob Kohl's from thx. Originally some of the challenges with cinemas were. They weren't properly insulated so the acoustic ability of the room was poor at best. A lot of times the Acoustics of two theaters would actually compete with each other. So you'd be sitting in one cinema. Could hear what was going on. That will next to you a lot. Other design elements like doors to the theater. Us Open and let in the light so that you'd be watching a movie and every time someone came in and out it would be kind of washed out simple things like that. Also a lot of cinemas didn't have really properly stored h fact systems. So you'd have this kind of ambient noise in the background. You wouldn't really understand. But it was actually inhibiting you for having a really good cinematic experience. So lucasfilm's new invention would be installed at a handful of theaters across the country. But this wasn't a solo effort on the part of George Lucas. He hired a team of engineers to work out. All of the details the story forms long before Thx was accompany George. Lucas decided to start a research institute. He really wanted to advance the state of the art in cinema and entertainment. In general judge didn't want to do the production post production in Hollywood anymore. So he built this building in San Rafael California and coincidentally it housed the Computer Division as well today. This building is known as skywalker sound at the time and was working alongside designers like Ben. Burtt I ask them what they needed and he gave me a laundry list of things he needed. I had put together an audio processing system that we call to ask audio signal processor. That ben had been using he would come in the mornings and he would use it up to noon. Use It on Indiana Jones. One of his requests initially one was for extending. Sounds like he had a sound of an Arrow being. Shot it goes. I mean it's gone instantly. And he wanted something that persisted. He wanted the sound of an error that went on over fifteen twenty thirty seconds so he asked me if I could do that and I said Yeah. I know a way of doing that in two minutes the audio signal processor that Andy had invented made completely new sounds possible from extending the sound of an Arrow to an airplane in freefall fall to specialisation. That made sounds in theater. Progress from one side of the room to the other. These tools shaped the way movies are produced to this day. That's part of why the thx deep note. Sound is so unique. No one else on the planet had technology like that in nineteen eighty three. George wanted some kind of a video or some kind of logo that was played before the feature comes on. That says this is a certified movie theater my suspicion that this is true but my suspicion is that he spent all the money on the visuals and didn't have any money left for the audio so he picked someone who is on salary on staff and said look. We need some sound for the animation. It's thirty five seconds long and I want something that comes out of nowhere and gets really really big and I said well I think I know how to do that. To create the Soundtrack Andy went to the audio signal processor. As soon as he mentioned it I knew exactly what I wanted to do. That is I wanted to start with something that would thoroughly wilder everyone. They wouldn't even be sure that the sound was being played properly or whatever that is to start with chaos and then evolve into the the big cord like a great organ Chord. I'd always been impressed by the huge pipe organs and the sounds it could produce so that was sort of the. The idea had in the back of my mind. The producer gave Andy the timing of the animation. So I gotta a road map of the intent of the animation of course when it showed up all the timing was wrong of course it was so this was one of those cases. I'm sitting in the new mixing theater and they play the animation. Sit there with my stop. Watch and notice that all the timing is wrong. So while I'm sitting there I typed in the new times into the computer and ran off a new copy of the logo theme right then and there and we ended up recorded it onto six track and that was that that sounds straightforward. But it had taken andy four days of work leading up to the session. Two days to get the basic sounds imported a modified in another two days to tune it. Exactly how he wanted it and remember Andy had literally invented the technology that made this possible in the first place. So how did he come up with this idea? What you steal from the best. I remember at the end of the day in the life from the Beatles right with a big sweep and remember how much I like that I remember box Pew with a great huge cord after noodling around a little bit bills a huge chord that resolves into just this massive massive cord so I combine those two ideas and then the the cluster. At the beginning this is similar stuff we did. While I was at Stanford we had done a lot of experimentation in music and one of the things that we fiddled with where clusters because with the computer. We could get immensely sick textures. That would have been very very difficult to do any other way. I mean you couldn't buy enough synthesizers to make a sound that bigger that massive but with a couple of hours of computer time we could build sounds that had that kind of tickets or that kind of texture to it that was the idea for the cluster was just a dense. Cluster of instrumental tones. That would rise and fall for which you wouldn't be able to track any one for any length of time. It would just sound like a mess like chaos. I had the idea for synthetic sound. I didn't envision flew to Noboa's playing in it envisioned a completely synthetic sound. Because I don't know how you do what I wanted to do. With regular instruments I had some recordings of cello tones. I pulled one out. That sounded rich in all thirty oscillators in the original using exactly the same tone. It is a cello but you would never know it because one of the distinguishing things of a cello the sound it makes the bow his string and since I eliminated that. It's a little hard to tell what's really going on there. And that was the idea except that I wanted to be rich. In natural sounding. With the advent of computer technology in the seventies and eighties sound designers. Were able to create. Sounds that just weren't possible? A few decades earlier andy. Moore's invention change cinema sound forever. We'll discover how. Andy dreamed up this technology after the break in the early eighties. There was no standard way of making of sound on a computer. In fact you couldn't even buy a computer built for audio. If you needed one you had to build it yourself. Yeah Well See. The big problem in computers of that time is that they weren't designed to do audio most of the audio like Apple Two e. were squeaks and POPs and Atari kinds of sounds. They weren't rich and they weren't lifelike. They weren't natural sounding. I knew that we do this on the computer. Except the computers were just horribly horribly slow in doing basic arithmetic it. What we needed was a machine. That doesn't do much else but does basic arithmetic really really fast. Machine put together does arithmetic. It's called a DSP a digital signal processors. There were a couple of other examples of this special purpose devices that were built for the military but for the most part they were designed to process images that is they didn't have the full twenty four bit sound that we like to hear and modern audio so I designed it from scratch starting from the converters in working back through the processing chain to the point where I headed device it was capable of twenty million computations per second just raw arithmetic multiplying. Add to do audio at that kind of speed. Even twenty million per second. It was limited to thirty voices. That was as much as I could get out of the machine at that time building. That computer took two years in two hundred thousand lines of computer code. The audio signal processor was used on many films pretty skywalker sound so even though it was ground breaking the technology was familiar to the mixers and sound designers there so when producer gave Andy the job of making the thx logo theme. It was almost a routine operation in their studio. He said Andy we have to record it on Friday. So I said Okay stood and I came in punch the button. He wasn't even there. Gary Ride from was however Gary is an Oscar. Winning sound designer. He was there that day. Almost coincidentally I don't think anyone had told him to go at in. Qa listen to it or tell me if they had to hire somebody else real quick but he just happened to be there. And we're we're chatting while I ran the thing off and it was funny. He didn't say anything for quite a long time. So then finally said can I hear that again? They said sure so. Punch the button. They recorded fifteen minutes later. A walked out in nineteen eighty three. Thx Was a brand new company and they had never done any marketing today. Most marketing campaigns go through a rigorous internal process at agencies are brought in different concepts are developed and pitched focus. Group testing is commonplace. In many levels of management weigh in on the pros and cons of the advertising. The deep note had a much less formal process the producer assigned the job pretty much gave Andy Free rein subsequently. I got a few questions about how it was done but no there was no. I didn't pitch anything but to tell you the truth. There wasn't really much quality control in the process. He literally gave me the task. And then four days later I walked into the theater and mash the button and out. So maybe that's good. If anyone had heard it they might not have gone for it. I Remember Tom. Home on quipping that part of the sound system that he was a really the proudest our the typically Chris Highs with. That's okay this'll do the reactions from Gary Wright's drum been bird and Tom home and were positive but the deep note had not yet been played for the big man the head Honcho George Lucas himself. I wasn't there when the VIP's were brought in. But what I do know is that he started inviting people down to my studio so I played it for a number of people. I played it right off. The census eiser to synthesize in realtime right then and there mostly for effect. Just show them what the capabilities of digital audio were. I played it for Ray Dolby. One time I played it for actually I played it for Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson enjoyed it. But when I played the Star Wars thing he enjoyed that better so yeah I played the logo theme for a number of people so I I guess Georgia liked it because he was constantly bringing people down there to hear it. I don't think they expected what I ended up with their. They kept bringing Kirk. Compare listen to this this creating a score within a computer program today can look a lot like a conventional music score however Andy had program deep note to play back randomly each time so every guest heard a completely new deep note and the first couple of days. I with the cello tone and I wrote the program for generating the score and the score was generated from a random number. Since I didn't really care the notes went in that cluster as long as they were within a certain range so I just wrote a program that went around. All the instruments wants a second and gave each one a new pitch each oscillator or each cello receive a new pitch it would slowly start winding towards the new pitch. That's what gives it the feeling of voices going up and going down wants a second. Each voice gets a new pitch. Then I assign them the final pitches. Which was the file coordinate out when did compose of the thirty voices. I said you know. We'll do three voices on this tone to voices on that tone voice on that town and so on I gave discrete pitches while the I g R. Duh moments was when I'd collapsed all the oscillators to be exactly on the target pitch to three decimal places. Well then it collapsed the new electric cord. It sounded like an Oregon but like an electric organ so I had to D- tune them slightly and that's what makes the final Chord Shimmer to because they're still getting new pitches every second they're just within a very tight range going up and down within a maybe hundred cents or so on each pitch. What makes the deep note? Even more complex has to do with something called temperament. Most instruments today are tuned. In what's known as equal temperament the most basic way to think about it is this. We have twelve musical notes and all of them are the same distance. Apart for the deep note Andy Change the tuning system so the ratios are actually perfect harmony using a system known as pythagorean tuning this hasn't been used routinely since the Middle Ages because it doesn't allow you to change keys like when barbershop Quartet Sang. Can they typically sing a kind of a floating just temperament? That's what makes those cords so sharp from so so Chris they don't use for Brcko and they sing. In these exact pitches. These are called Korean relations and these crisp relations that make sound of that chord sort of bigger than you would expect. It's actually bigger than an organ chord bigger than the Bach cord because he's playing on an Oregon that's in equal temperament so pitches can't fuses tightly with therrien tuning in very simple terms. Those same twelve notes might be tuned slightly differently depending on the key. It's in it's more of an absolute perfect tuning. The truth is it's very subtle and a lot of people can't hear the difference however when you stack up almost ten octaves of notes the effect becomes much more obvious. That's another way Andy was able to give the thx deep. Not such a big sound. I knew that that's what I wanted for the big cord. Because I knew what that was going to sound like that that would be the formulation with the most impact. It would sound bigger than an Oregon quarter bigger than an orchestra cord. The computer program allowed Andy to create something he could never have done with a live orchestra but there were also a problem since the program was random. There was no real way to recreate the sound over again. He to record the output from the computer and that would be the only record of it from that point forward even if he used the same program again the output with sound just slightly different than before because it was coded to be random. It wasn't like a guitar. Lick that human performer could replicate. It was a computer that was programmed to be different each and every time he only had one recording of it so when Andy submitted the original deep no track. That was it. There were no backups. George Lucas and the team loved the deep note. But then something horrible happen. They lost it. Andy Moore's masterpiece was gone and he wasn't sure if he could get it back. So how does the story end? We'll find out in our next episode to teach story check out twenty thousand Hertz. Wherever you get your podcast and let us know what you thought about the story and our Facebook Group. Just search for brought to you by podcast. We can't wait to bring all the new episodes that were working on. But until then you know how to reach us you can call and leave a message at six four six seven six eight four seven seven seven or shoot us an email bt y be at insider dot com this episode was written and produced by the team at twenty thousand Hertz. Kevin Ed's and Dallas Taylor with help from Sam snead really. It was sound design and mixed by Nick. Straddling brought to you by is a production of insider audio.

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Timothy Zahn

Sci-Fi Talk Scribes

17:53 min | 4 months ago

Timothy Zahn

"Hi In on the best of sci-fi talk is Timothy Zahn Great Star Wars author and also an author in his own right as well. We spoke back in nineteen, ninety six about star wars, and perhaps the Prequel Zandt. We're coming up at the time. And we're here with Tony. Little the end Timothy's on. Those these special guests at icon Timothy of courses done. Number. Star was bookstore, force rising last command and Air, to empire, which started out the series. It's early in the morning at a cost. Anyway. I have no excuse because I'm here on this coast Timothy. You're from the other coast. In the world good morning. Good morning and it's all the caffeine speaking. With the dark horse rising and Aired. Entire Series Star. Air The empire was the first one it was published in ninety one, and the other to other to came out ninety, two and ninety three. So. It's been about three years since the last one was published. What was your first contact with that with that whole franchise? That was one of those silver plate from the blue type of things back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight sometime Lua Ronca who has had advancement spectrum. Wrote Lucasville. Suggesting that sense George Lucas didn't seem to be doing anything with Star Wars. These days that bans some undertake at three book continuation of the saga going after return of the Judd, I were other authors hadn't been permitted to go before. It took Lucasfilm or Lucas himself about a year to decide. It sounded like an idea they contacted. Bounsom said let's talk contract finest an author. Bantam sent a short list of authors to Lucasfilm with my name, apparently on top Lucasfilm, checked off the top name and I got a Monday afternoon four. PM Call From my agent, saying a very interesting offer here. The kicker on this is that I had just moved to to them from Bain book six weeks previously. And? Obviously if I hadn't been abandoned author, I would not have been on that list, so it was one of those right place at the very right time sort of things. And any idea what books they'd see previous. Advancements seen or that lucasville phones. My guess is Lucasfilm simply took the top name on the list They assumed command knew that they were doing I've never heard the actual details of either of those decisions. I do know that my editor at the time almost in recommended me for the job because she wanted to see the book I'd contacted for imprint. And didn't. Didn't really want me taking another couple of years doing books. Fortunately for me, she went ahead and. Suggested me. It was at the nineteen eighty-four world. Science Fiction Convention in Los Angeles. It was for the NOVELA cascade point. And who was Kinda casting one of those under there? Though is a it was published in analog has. You've worked. A lot in the Star Wars universe. What's it like? Working with characters that are pretty much defined, is that a help or hindrance as far as the creative process it has pluses and minuses the. The minus is of course as you say, the character is established. There is Han Solo. He behaves certain way talks. A certain way would do certain things in a given situation so I don't have the freedom to create the character. The plus side is if I can, if I can nail the character eighty percents. The reader will fill in the other twenty, if I can get, even close the reader. Can then here Harrison four in see him doing these things? So. The you'll have a very well defined character then to to feed off so It's it's a give and take type of thing. The NEAT thing about the Star Wars Universe, is it? It's so big there is. So much space to operate in that I never felt restricted by the fact that we had three movies, and some well defined characters I couldn't find my own characters interacting with the established ones. And I liked star. Wars I like the universe I liked the people. This would have been no fun at all if I didn't like them. Just been drudgery life and the universe is about to explode. It's some of the presentations we've seen here. ICON is just. It's about to take over again. The films have been remastered with with new special effects. But I think that it never really went away. This is something that most people really didn't understand Laurent Echo I think before heir to the empire was published was the only one who really was convinced this was going to take off. I had a small inkling of. A few a couple of months before the book was published, I went to talk to some I guess second second third graders at a local school. It was a writer thing and I brought some covers. With me to show. And here are these kids who were not even alive when the movies were printed or legal released looking if. There's Hon-. There is Leah. There's CHEWBACCA. They'd seen them all on video, so they were up to speed already I. Think simply there was nothing for star wars fans to latch onto. And when we gave them something these books, they grabbed him up the I think the I. I was told that they when Benjamin Center salesforce out. They wanted enough orders to put up one hundred thousand copies of hardcover. The orders came back were small enough that they only put it up seventy thousand. Obviously, the bookstore owners were saying well, you know star wars is old history of I'll take a couple within a week. We're going back to press because they were. All this stuff under the surface nobody had realized was there. and. So you're right, the the movies are going to spark things but there. They never died. From where we sit today in one, thousand, nine, hundred sixty. It's almost hard to remember the dark years before empire came out. It's almost hard to remember that there was a time when there was this big gap. Weren't seeing stuff, so we got invited to a star wars science fiction convention in Italy. as guest the previous year, the Star Wars Group had brought over a Fan Star Wars writer from America to guest I mean that was all all. It was available. You grabbing it whatever was? And the fan writer. Was You know apparently now? We've got a whole bunch of authors and we've tapped into. All this interest and excitement and the movies there is going to spark to higher levels. What gave you the idea to? For? Princess Leia to give birth to twins said something that you came up with our. Natural thing she was one of twins, and they tend to run in families. It seemed obvious she and Han would be married, and why not have twins? actually that was one of the things that went over without. At lucasfilm without any kind of ripple whatsoever, there are other things they didn't like or the things they liked, but that one I've got no comment at all. What did they like the insane? Clone South was originally scheduled to be insane close obi-wan-kenobi. And I. Think this freaked them out just a little bit more than they were willing to take. The. Sixth are the inaugural were originally going to be. Using keying the dark Lord of the Seth type thing from Vader, and in fact what I wanted to do is their face is masks because helmet would be a style, a stylized doggy or face? I thought there's need but at the time. Apparently Lucas. They weren't sure if Lucas was going to deal with assist in the future movies, so they they asked that one as well had to create the dog instead a couple, other things here and there, but mostly they were pretty pretty supportive and a generally. Let me do pretty much what I wanted to to visit. Good a chance to visit with the Luke. skywalker ranch. I got one visit to skywalker ranch. Actually just before last command was published, so it was the whole project was pretty much done for my end. Matt Lucas got to chat with him for five or ten minutes kind of between appointments. So most of the contracts I think even now most of the contact with books as to the the subsidiary rights, People Lucy Wilson and Her crowd down there. Lucas generally keeps pretty much a hands off with. All of this merchandising such concentrates on the films. was there an overpe lot that you worked with them? Before starting in the three books, or was it book by book? I had the whole story in outline form before I started because I wanted to show them where all the plotline starting book one. We're going to ask. There are a lot of things that went through all through books. I wrote it as like the movies. Who is single story in in three volumes? so. It was more sketchy for the second. Two books was like a ten page outline for the I. Walk in about three pages each of the other two. Just give them ideal for the major stuff was going. More star were stuff coming up or is there. or You would just wearing a concrete series now or One More Star Wars book on contract it'll be the last one chronologically of all the bouncing books. It'll be coming out in December of ninety seven or November December and of ninety seven. It's called the hand of. But. Don't jump to conclusions about. What about the conqueror series? What gave you the idea to do? The conquers was kind of sparked by my editor at the time. Betsy Mitchell has moved on. She had at night just a vague idea. I for some time of a three book series of interstellar war or beginnings of war, where the first book is from the human point of view, second book is from the Alien Point of view, and the third one then goes back and forth tying things together and so from that I I. Worked out the conquerors. Saga of Story of beginning first contact beginning of war between human race and the. The first contact space battle. In, which the human side gets really demolished, both sides leave the battle convinced the other side started so we have the human side calling these shadowy aliens out there the Shah of the conquerors in the second book which picks up the story line right after the first this year is beginning, calling the human conquerors, so both sides are convinced the other side is poised to roll over them, and they pick up that name because the third race, there are a couple of different. Not Client races, humans, but in the our sphere of influence, one of those is an opportunist group that likes playing both sides against each other, and they are actually are the ones who. Whose name for this alien legends of this Alien Race Give us the name Conquers, and they send an envoy to the jeers, in which they talk about the dangers of the human conquers. They're trying to play both sides. The Nielsen puppeteers. Come to mind here. Year a little bit. These guys a little more conniving than the puppeteers where I think, but yeah, there's a certain amount of puppeteer in the my head and thought about that before. There's three books in the Congress series right two of which have been written Congress heritage is currently how in Conquers Pride Introduc- Cavanaugh family in conquers heritage. It's the third family cherish. The third book will have members of both families going back and forth and various members run start running into each other. Start realizing what has happened. What has gone wrong that this whole war is misunderstanding on at least two different levels. And try to find a way between themselves to get. The thing stopped before it goes. Beyond stopping Oh the other side line is when I first talked about this project to my son. WHO's fourteen? I I told him. The first book is from the Human Point. The third book is from these years point and he jumped in our book some Jewish point of view, and he said third book is for the point of view of one of their weapons. I thought. That's interesting. So actually the Perez sentient computer introduced in Congress Pride has point of view scenes in Congress legacy interesting, so that was kind of fun to do. He's a big. Is a major Babylon five fan, we, of course. They're not very far behind him. And it's just it's just a joy to watch, and our son has grabbed onto with both hands as well. Unfortunately you haven't seen the. Stuff that they're doing to to clean up the videos, which is really awesome I started out thinking that it was just going to be sort of reissues now I'm from the excited about especially with well, Dino aliens being inserted in the background and things like that. that. I had mixed feelings about this cleaner write. I heard they were going to bring out. Enhance special effects because I would not want. I think too much of the Hollywood. Mentality is if you've got special effects. You've got a movie time and time again. That's been proven wrong. If you've got a lousy story with great special effects, it's going to bomb and very very properly so. What Star Wars was was a great story with good characters, and the Special Effects Enhanced Ish. They were not the. Whole movie. And I was afraid that Lucas had fall into this trap. GonNa. Make better special effects to bring it up to the level of Terminator Two. Forgetting what the essence of the thing is from what I'm hearing? He has not forgotten that he simply enhancing. It's not taking away. It's not rooting the pacing. It's just even that I think that in his original writers vision. There were things that he couldn't do because he didn't have the special effects technology, the job of the hut sequence in the first twelve. He really liked because he felt it added to the story line and he's able to bring it back in so i. think the your concerns appropriate and I think that fortunately Lucas hasn't lost. Because that was that was a fear that that you would have been seduced by the special effects side of before sliced yet? And I'm pleased to hear from everybody who seen these these demos that that doesn't seem to be the case, so that's that's one of my fears. The future I can hopefully to rest now. Well of the three films, the favourite empire home no doubt about it. Empire is the one that. We really feel. The empire is a serious threat. It's a little bit. Less, so in star wars and. Gets a little BITs even less less than that in Djeddai but empire house, the grim gritty feeling that we are in a serious problem here and we're going to have to do everything to get our way out of it. It just had the tone I thought was. The strongest I used to before I came out I would compare star wars and empire, who the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. Just in the flavor and tone if you like them fired and I understand that I think that you're going to love the multimedia thing coming up shadows of the empire, which just coming out and book comic, and not CD Rom, but on Nintendo sixty four. Takes place between empire and the last movie. And it's got a lot of dark empire, and it's wonderful I think your son will probably like it, too. I, we will look forward to getting getting hold of this stuff. I'm doing a three part comic book from the coming out for Marvel November December of this this year. resurrects. Character they had back in the seventies and early eighties named star. Lord, I was contacted by Glenn Greenberg at Marvel about a couple of years ago now with the idea of bringing this character back, and we discussed it for a while and I wrote a script I. Don't I don't actually bring the character back I put a new character in in his place. Who has to take the role of star Lord But The seven cents ship is there and I've I've kind of muted down the comic the Superhero Aspects of star Lord. He could fly. He could vacuum and made it more more of a science fiction sort of thing. Brings, them rationales for. Get Away from your background in physics, Kanye, no and I. Don't think I would want. superheroes are fine. I used to create superheroes when I was a kid, but there are a lot of people doing superheroes, and doing very well, and my strings is in the science fiction, and I think I should try staying with that. Will, actually marvel has done some comic adaptations of novels to. Dark Empire the dark horse comics. The visuals I have some problems with Arts in general has. A seemed to be denies clean as when I was growing up I. Think so. That is by design. Who knows why, but the adaptation? The story I found it very well done, and that was the thing. They asked me if I would. Be Interested in basically boiling by my books down into comic book form, and I looked at how much space I would have said I can't possibly do justice to the books in this amount of space. I can't do it and I. Frankly believe nobody could. He has done a very good job I am. I'm very impressed by how well he has. Boil down the story to his essence capsule of the good lines. Kept, the continuity so I have no complaints at all about that a very pleased with it to me. Thank you very much pleasure talking to you. To relive that thanks so much for listening to the best of Scifi talk and also being subscriber here on Scifi talk premium. Hi Timothy Zahn author of the Star Wars books heir to the Empire Dark Force rising and the last command, and you're listening to Sifi Talk.

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Fan Favorite Episode: THX Deep Note, Part 1

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Fan Favorite Episode: THX Deep Note, Part 1

"Imagine yourself in a movie theater. You're settling into your seat. and. It's one of those nice ones with a headrest and leans back. You managed to balance your popcorn on the arm rest. The, lights dim. The year two, thousand, seventeen. Soon the previews are over. The lights fade out completely. You're listening to twenty thousand Hertz the stories behind the world's most recognizable and interesting sounds. I'm Dallas Taylor. This is the story of the thx deep note. If you've been to the movies anytime since one, thousand, nine, hundred, three, it's likely that you've encountered the announcement that your theater is. thx certified. The visual is mainly a three letter logo. But the sound is unforgettable. Still before we dive into what's behind that? Sound let's imagine what movies might sound like without. thx. Law? In nineteen eighty that type of bad theater sound might have been what you experienced as Darth vader revealed that he was Luke skywalker father if it wasn't for George Lucas. For Empire Strikes Back George Lucas also hired an audio engineer besides myself. Tom. Bowman they were scouting theaters in San Francisco for the debut of empire strikes back they went to a well known theater one of the old majestic theaters to make sure the salad system was okay. That's Andy more in the early eighties. He was the head of the digital audio department in the Lucasfilm Computer Division when they got there, there're bit horrified the sound systems of the day consisted of left center, right and surround. So there should be three speakers behind the big screen of the three speakers he found one was disconnected. One had fallen over. And the other one was turned around backwards. Completely. Horrified by that. So Tom and said Heck with this look let's invent something or let's come up with a system a standard by which we can measure the theaters and we can assure that the sound sounds the same in the theater as it does in the mixing theater when the artists were mixing it. But this wasn't the first time. George Lucas had used his influence to change the cinematic experience before the release of the original star wars it was still common for a lot of movie theaters to have a basic mono sound system. So he knew something had to change. George Lucas liked to use his muscle if you will when bringing out a new film. That's how dolby stereo came to be George Lucas insisted that if you wanted the seventy millimeter I run of Star Wars, you had to put in Dolby Stereo in your theater, and that was exactly what happened the first hundred and sixty or so theaters played star wars did so on Dolby Stereo. By the time return of the jet I was in Production Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon and George. Lucas was a filmmaking rockstar. Because this Rockstar Status Lucas was able to use his weight and influence. Again, this time insisting that to be able to show his new film theaters would have to go a step further and become. thx certified. That's where thx came from. The name was just made up taking loosely from George Lucas Student Film. thx Eleven thirty. Eight. Thirty eight. Sometimes. Called at least in house it was called Tahoe Holman's experiment. Tom Holman was the engineer in charge of research this new endeavor and to be clear, thx is not a system for coding or decoding audio. It has nothing to do with how sound is recorded. It's all about how a movie is played back to an audience. It encompasses everything from the quality of the speakers to the quality of the Acoustics to the quality of the picture almost everything about the movie going experience George. Lucas funded this research to guarantee that what you experience in your theater is exactly what the filmmakers intended. Similar technology has changed dramatically over the past thirty five years. That's Rob Kohl's from. thx. Originally, some of the challenges with cinemas were they weren't properly insulated. So the acoustic ability of the room was poor at best a Lotta Times the Acoustics of two theaters would actually compete with each other. So. You'd be sitting in once in the money you could hear what what's going on. That will next to you, and then there were a lot of other design elements like doors to the Cedar used to open let in the light so that you'd be watching a movie and every time someone came in and out. would be kind of washed out. Simple things like that. Also you know a lot of them didn't have really properly stored. H. Fax Systems. So you'd have this kind of ambient noise in the background you wouldn't really understand, but it was actually inhibiting new for having a really good cinematic experience. So lucasfilm's new invention would be installed at a handful of theaters across the country but this wasn't a solo effort on the part of George Lucas he hired a team of engineers to work out. The details. The story forms long before. thx was accompany. George Lucas decided to start a research institute. He really wanted to advance the state of the art in cinema and entertainment in general. George didn't want to do the production the post. and Hollywood anymore. So he built this building and San Rafael California and coincidentally had house the Computer Division as well. Today this building is known as skywalker sound at the time Andy was working alongside legendary sound designers like, Ben, Burtt. I ask them what they needed and he gave me a laundry list of things. He needed. I had put together an audio processing system that we call to ask audio signal processor that Ben had been using. He would come in in the mornings and he would use it up to noon he used on Indiana Jones. One of his request initially was for extending sounds like he had a sound of an Arrow being shot. It goes. I mean it's gone instantly and he wanted something that persisted. He wanted the sound of an error that went on over fifteen twenty, thirty seconds. So he asked me if I could do that and I said, yeah, I know a way of doing that. In two minutes. The audio signal processor that Andy had invented made completely new sounds possible from extending the sound of an Arrow to an airplane in freefall. Specialization, that made sounds and theater progress from one side of the room to the other. These tools have shaped. The way movies are produced this day. That's part of why the deep note sound is. So unique no one else on the planet had technology that in Nineteen eighty-three. George wanted some kind of video or some kind of logo that was played before the feature comes on that says this a X. certified movie theater. My suspicion, I don't know that this is true but my suspicion is that he spent all the money on the visuals and didn't have any money left for the audio. So he picked someone who is on salary on staff and said, look we need some sound for the animation. It's thirty five seconds long and I want something that comes out of nowhere and gets really really big and I said well I think, I know how to do that. To create the Soundtrack Andy went to the audio signal processor. As, soon, as he mentioned that I knew exactly what I wanted to do that is I wanted to start with something that would thoroughly bewilder everyone. They wouldn't even be sure that the sound was being played properly or whatever that is to start with chaos and then evolve into the big cord like a like a great organ Ford. Always. been impressed by the huge pipe organs and the sounds it could produce. So that was sort of the idea had in the back of my mind. The producer gave Andy the timing of the animation. So I gotta a road map of the intent of the animation. Of course when it showed up all, the timing was wrong. Of course, it was. So this is one of those cases I'm sitting in the new mixing theater they play the animation, sit there with my stop watch and notice that all the timing is wrong. So while I'm sitting there I typed in the new times into the computer. And ran off a new copy of the logo theme right then and there, and we think it up, recorded it onto six track and that was that. That sound straightforward but it had taken andy four days of work leading up to the session two days to get the basic sounds imported a modified an another two days to tune it exactly how he wanted it and remember Andy had literally invented the technology that made this possible in the first place. So did he come up with this idea? What do you say steal from the best? I remember the end of day in the life from the Beatles. And remember how much like that I remember. Box Pew with a great huge cord after noodling around a little bit at builds a huge chord that resolves into just as massive massive cord. So, I combine those two ideas and then the the cluster at the beginning this is similar to stuff we did while I was at Stanford we had done a lot of experimentation in music and one of the things that we fiddled with where clusters because with the computer we could get immensely sick textures that would have been very very difficult to do any other way I mean you couldn't buy enough synthesizers to make a sound that bigger that Massey but with a couple of hours of computer time, we could bill salads that had that kind of sickness or that kind of texture to. That was the idea for the cluster was just a dense cluster of instrumental tones that would rise and fall for which you wouldn't be able to track anyone for any length of time. It would just sound like a mess like chaos. I had the idea for synthetic sound I didn't envision flew to Noboa's playing completely synthetic sound because I don't know how you do what I wanted to do with regular instruments I had some recordings of cello tones. I pulled one out that sounded rich in all thirty US leaders in the original using exactly the same tone it is a cello, but you would never know it because one of the distinguishing things of a cello, the sound makes when the bow string in. Since I eliminated that the it's a little hard to tell what's really going on there and that was the idea except that I wanted to be rich and natural sounding. With the advent of computer technology in the seventies and eighties, sound designers were able to create sounds that just weren't possible a few decades earlier andy. Moore's invention change cinema sound forever. We'll discover how andy dreamed up this technology after the break. This episode's mystery sound is sponsored by Sonos, the wireless sound system for brilliant sound your way. Here it is. And again. If you think you know that sound you could submit your guests at Mystery Twenty K. Dot Org. If you guess I right, you'll be entered to win one of our world famous Super Soft Twenty Thousand Hertz. T shirts will reveal the answer to last episodes mystery sound at the end of this show. So stick around and thanks again to Sonos. Shop the latest speakers and sound bars including the new Sonos ARC at, Sonos? Dot. com. In, the early eighties there was no standard way of making any kind of sound on a computer. In fact, you couldn't even buy a computer bill for audio. If you needed one, you had to build it yourself. Yeah. Well, see the big problem in computers of that time is that they weren't designed to do audio most of the audio like apple to we were squeaks and POPs and sort of Atari kinds of sounds. They were rich and they weren't lifelike and they weren't natural sounding I knew that we could do all this on the computer except the computers were just horribly horribly slow in doing basic arithmetic. What we needed was a machine that doesn't do much else but does basic arithmetic really really fast. The machine put together does arithmetic. It's called a DSP, a digital signal processors. There were a couple other examples of this special purpose devices that were built for the military but for the most part they were designed to process. MAG's that is they didn't have the full twenty four bit sound that we like to hear in modern audio so I designed it from scratch. Starting from the converters in working back through the processing chain to the point where I headed device, it was capable of twenty million computations per second just raw arithmetic multiply and add to do audio at that kind of speed even then twenty million per second, it was limited to thirty voices that was as much as I could get out of the machine at that time. Building that computer took two years in something like two, hundred, thousand lines of Computer Code. The audio signal processor was used on many films produced a skywalker sound. So even though it was groundbreaking technology was familiar to the mixers and sound designers there. So when the producer gave Andy the job of making the thx logo theme, it was almost a routine operation in their studio. He said, Andy, we have to record it on Friday. So I said okay let's do it. And I, came in punch the button he wasn't even there Gary Ride from was however Gary is an Oscar winning sound designer. He was there that day almost coincidentally I don't think anyone had told him to go in Q. Elliott or listen to it or tell me if they had to hire somebody else real quick but he he just happened to be there and we're we're chatting while I ran the thing off. And it was funny. He didn't say anything for quite a long time. So. Then I said can I, hear that again they said sure. So Punch the button they recorded fifteen minutes later I walked out. In nineteen eighty three thx was a brand new company and they had never done any marketing today most marketing campaigns go through a rigorous internal process at agencies are brought in different concepts or developed in pitched focus. Group testing is commonplace in many levels of management weigh in on the pros and cons of the advertising. The deep note had a much less formal process producer assigned to the job pretty much gave Andy Free Rein. Subsequently. I got a few questions about how it was done. But no, there was no I didn't pitch anything. But to tell you the truth, there wasn't really much folly control in the process he literally gave me the task and then four days later walked into the theater and mash the button and that's what came out. So maybe that's good. If anyone had heard it, they might not have gone for. I remember Tom Home on quipping that part of the sound system that he was a really the proudest the typically. Chris. Highs with that's okay. This'll do. The reactions from Gary Wright's Drum Ben Burtt and Tom home were positive but the deep note had not yet been played for the big man, the head Honcho George Lucas himself. I wasn't there when the VIP's were brought in. But what I do know is that he started inviting people down to my studio. So I played it for a number of people I played it right off the center. To synthesize in realtime right then and there mostly for effect, just show them what the capabilities of digital audio were. I played it for Ray Dolby one time I played it for actually I played it for Michael Jackson Michael Jackson enjoyed it. But I played the star wars thing he enjoyed that better. So I played the H logo team for a number of people. So I I. Guess. Georgia. Liked it because he was constantly bringing people down there to hear it. I, don't think they expected what I ended up foot hair they kept a bring Kirk. Committee. Listen to this loser this. Creating a score within computer program today can look a lot like a conventional music score. However, Andy had programmed the deep note to play back randomly each time. So every guest, her completely new deep note and the first couple of days I with a cello tone and I wrote the program for generating the score and the score was generated from a random number since I didn't really care where the notes went in the cluster as long as they were within a certain range. So I just wrote a program that went around all the instruments wants a second and gave each one a new pitch, each oscillator, or each cello receive a new pitch. It would slowly start winding towards the new pitch. That's what gives it the feeling voices up and going down once a second each voice gets a new pitch. Then I assign them the final pitches, which was the file coordinate out when I did compose of the thirty voices. I said you know we'll do three voices on this tone in two voices on that town in one voice on that town and so on. I gave discrete pitches. I. You know, Duh. Moments was when I'd collapse all oscillators to be exactly on the target pitch to three decimal places. Well then it collapsed a new electronic cord it sounded like an Oregon, but like an electric organ so I had to D- tune them slightly that's what makes the final chords Shimmer to because they're still getting new pitches every second they're just within a very tight range going up and down within a maybe hundred cents or so on each pitch. What makes the deep note even more complex has to do with something called tenant most instruments. Today are tuned in what's known as equal temperament. The most basic way to think about it is this, we have twelve musical notes and all of them are the same distance apart. For the deep note Andy Change the tuning system. So the ratios are actually perfect harmony using a system known as pathetic Orion tuning. This hasn't been used routinely since the Middle Ages because it doesn't allow you to change keys like when barbershop quartets saying, how can They typically sing in a kind of a floating just temperament that's what makes those cords so sharp from. So Chris, they don't use for Bronco they sing exact pitches. These are called Rian relations. And it's these crisp relations that make the sound of cord sort of bigger than you would expect. It's actually bigger than an organ chord bigger than the Bach cord because he's playing on an organ that's in equal temperament. So pitches can't fuses tightly. So, with protagoras tuning in very simple terms, those same twelve notes might be tuned slightly differently depending on the key it's in. It's more of an absolute perfect tuning. The truth is it's very subtle and a lot of people can't hear the difference. However when you stack up almost ten octaves of notes, the effect becomes much more obvious. That's another way. Andy was able to give the thx deep note such a big sound. I knew that that's what I wanted for the big cord because I knew what that was going to sound like that that would be formulation with the most impact. It would sound bigger than Oregon quarter bigger than an orchestra cord. The computer program allowed. Andy. To create something he could never have done with a live orchestra, but there was also a problem since the program was random there was no real way to recreate the sound over again he had to record the output from the computer and that would be the only record of it from that point forward. Even if he used the same program again, the output would sound just slightly different than before because it was coded to be random. It wasn't like a guitar lick that a human performer could replicate. It was a computer that was programmed to be different each and every time. He only had one recording of it. So when Andy submitted the original depot track that was it, there were no backups, George Lucas and the team loved the deep note but then something horrible happen. They lost it. Andy Moore's masterpiece was gone. And he wasn't sure he could get it back. So how does the story end? We'll find out inter next episode. Twenty Thousand Hertz is produced out of the studios of defacto sound a sound team dedicated to making television film in game. Sound incredible. FIND OUT MORE AT DEFACTO SOUND DOT com. This episode was written and produced by Kevin Ed's in me. Dallas. Taylor. Sam's. Sound designed mixed by Nick Spradlin. Many things to Andy Moore who's a software engineer musician and sound designer of the. thx Deep Note and thinks that Rob Kohl's global director of marketing for. thx To learn more about. thx certification visit. thx Dot Com. The music in this episode is courtesy of our friends at music bed. 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#105 | Tyrannosaurus FX

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#105 | Tyrannosaurus FX

"Before. We Start I wanNA tell you about another podcast. I think you'll like broken record is a show where the musicians you love talk about their life inspiration and craft hosts. Rick. Rubin Justin Richmond Malcolm Gladwin and Bruce Headline Conductor revealing interviews with artists like Alicia Keys, the Beastie Boys Jack White Ozzy Osbourne, and more subscribe to broken record wherever you get your podcasts and stick around after this episode to hear a brief. Clip. Our technology driven world, it can be easy to lose sight of the at the center of it all. Lexus is committed to changing that because they believe the most amazing machines aren't inspired by machines they're inspired by US later on, we'll hear from a world renowned musician filmmaker and Ted senior fellow about bringing a human touch to self driving cars to discover more visit Lexus dot com slash curiosity, Lexus experience amazing. You're listening to twenty, thousand, Hertz and. Would your park first came out it brought dinosaurs to life in a way that people had never experienced before not only did the dinosaurs look incredible but they also sounded amazing. Up until that point, there hadn't been a clear idea in the public consciousness about dinosaurs sounded like. So the filmmakers essentially had to make it up as they went along to make these creatures sound believable and alive. They used all kinds of creative sound design techniques. The results are the stuff of sound design legend. Over the nearly thirty year history of the drastic park franchise, the sound designers have faced one persistent challenge. How do you defy the sound of an extinct animal that no one has actually ever heard for real and had you make it convincing? That's Al Nelson the lead sound designer on the Jurassic world. Films. Al Works at Skywalker Sound, which is the sound division of Lucasfilm where we're coming from from the film. Sound standpoint is, is it believable? But as it also creating emotional context and is it helping the story? Early in his career, AL worked with sound design superstars like Ben, Burtt, the sound designer of Star Wars as well as Gary writes from Chris Boys, who made the sounds for the original harassed park movies that swear I got my real education and experience. There's this wonderful legacy at skywalker of these brilliant icons with Ben and Gary. Then there's this second generation people like Chris Boys and a handful of others, and then I was part of third generation. Working at skywalker sound Al, got to see firsthand how some of the classic Jurassic Park sounds were made to Al. there's one sound that stands above all the rest. The T rex is in my opinion one of the most iconic sounds in film sound history. Now. It would be great if you could just go record a T. rex in the wild but of course, that's not possible. So the original sound designers used a classic technique and looked for inspiration elsewhere in the animal kingdom. In those early days they were out recording lots and lots of animals and here one of the local theme parks. They had some elephants. And Chris boy is was sent off to record these elephants and outcomes trotting out a little baby elephant. And it lets out one baby elephant roar. And that was that iconic Bello is the main ingredient of the T. rex. But creating that spine tingling roar required other ingredients to he used some crocodile sounds. Lions Salim blowhole from Aweil. He knew just how to use their baby elephant and just how to apply the deep grumble of the crocodile or that raspy lion sound the beginning of it, and then the blowhole sound underneath the bellow to give it that weight. Once these elements came together. The result was the conic dinosaur sound. Of course, there are plenty of other dinosaurs, Jurassic Park films, and all of them have their own unique voice to make them. The sound team used a similar approach. You find these best little snippets of vocalisations, the sounds that have personality and you figure out how to layer them. For example, there was the gentle brockie sores. That's the one with the long neck for eating leaves out of tall trees to create their sound designers took hauling donkeys. Oh they slowed it down until it became a graceful song. There's also a scene where the kids are caught in a stampede of dinosaurs that looks sort of like ostriches. These are called gala memories to make their screeches. They use the frightening sound of a horse heat. Now, that doesn't quite sound like a gala minimus yet, but we chop it up. Then, bring up the pitch. Then Pan these sounds to the left and right. We can get pretty close to what we hear in the movie. There's also the predatory veloce raptors. They're hunting calls were made by a mix of dolphins. As, well as mating tortoises. These sounds are so convincing because the designers followed a few basic principles based on the size of the creature and its personality. We to believe that those sounds belong in the body of that animal is that Abraxas or or is it a copy? For Comparison Brescia source could grow up to forty feet tall if it's a big majestic dinosaur like the breakfasts or you give it scale, but you give it song. They're saying. While the Nathan or copy for short was about the size of a chicken with a copy it's a cute little dinosaur and then it gets aggressive. But in this case you're choosing higher pitch sounds birds sound even taking pitched up lions so that you don't have any more of that big waited growl. These unique squeaks and squeals. In this way, the sound designers created an entire ecosystem of dinosaur sounds for the original movies. But when it was time to revisit these creatures in the new Jurassic World Films Al faced a unique challenge. We didn't break anything or modify anything that had already been heard and had already been created by Gary. You. Wouldn't ever WANNA mess with the T. Rex. But. There was a new creature in Jurassic world a genetically engineered mutant with an awesome name. The in dominates rex. This was a dinosaur that was radic and kind of broken more of a screamer and more just unhinged. Design this new sound Alan team went back to the drawing board. Without any real idea of what specific animals I wanted to use I and my team to started recording lots of new animals and animals that we knew had been recorded previous sleep in particular. There was this little Fenick Fox the Desert Fox it screamed and wailed and said, everything had had to say at high pitches. So that was one of the ingredients and one of the reasons it was so useful because at had at sort of erratics Karimi. UNHINGED sound to it. But just like the T. Rex, there were many layers to the dominant sound for some of the scale of the endogamous we used very large sows these huge pigs. and. Feeding time the pigs get very aggressive and they bark and squeal. But they also growl at each other. And they'd sound like big mean animals. We had a howler monkey which was in love with his animal trainer. And when she sang to him, he would go off into these. Long vocalisations. Brilliant. When you mix the sounds of these animals, just right. You get the dominance wrecks. Of course Jurassic World also has dinosaurs from the original movies like veloce rafters. But in the newer films they got an update we now get experienced the raptors not as passive, but somewhat more trained and they work with an handlers and so they needed a new palette of gentler sounds and friendlier sounds. Allen's team went in search of a new voice for these raptors. Ultimately, what we ended up using were mostly penguins jen to penguins. They do this sort of shuttering and these softer cuter sounds that we able to manipulate and make the raptors more friendly. But it wasn't all elephants and penguins. Some dinosaur sounds were made with less exotic animals, Gary rights from the original sound designer snuck in a sample of his own. One of Gary's traditions is to use his dogs for his animals. Gary watched his Jack Russell terrier playing with a rope toy and saw the similarity of the T. Rex grabbing and shaking other dinosaurs and lawyers to death. So he was inspired to use these sounds for the T. Rex. For the newer films decided to record his own dog. This was my opportunity to bring my black Labrador Bahama into the Jurassic Sound Palette. She does see sort of cute growls. They're not quite angry, but they sound like you know don't get too comfortable with me. So whenever Owen would interact with the raptors and they needed to check Kim sometimes, that would be one of the sounded uses that sort of cute low growl. It's been almost thirty years since Jurassic Park was first released and didn't that time there's been a lot of new developments in the field of paleontology. New Research can tell us a lot about what the Jurassic would have actually sounded like and how that compares to what we hear in the movies that's coming up after this. It is really about figuring out the human connection that splits Bosnia. Also known as blitz the ambassador, he's a world renowned musician and filmmaker originally from Ghana he's also Ted senior fellow, which is a global network of visionaries who collaborate and share ideas to help build a better future. That's really my goal man is just to contribute this other part of the human experience. Recently Ted teamed up with Lexus to seek out ideas for human focused inventions in an increasingly autonomous world. They put out a call to their Ted fellows and blitz responded the idea to contribute to Ted Lexus ideas. Search was understanding that there's GonNa be a huge gap between artificial intelligence and kind of our human experience, and so any idea as radical self driving cars is going to have that gap to fill in the question was, how do you build something that feels real? Quick and allows trust between the passenger and this Ai. In, order to bring a human touch to the experience of writing in a self driving car blitz envisions a holographic chauffeur that builds familiarity with the passenger. I really believe the holographic technology is highly underexplored in how we build empathy blitz says that the key to that empathy is sound. Sound plays a huge role in that. Using sound to build familiarity that is like that's chauffeured that is going to be out into that driver's seat is going to have a voice that is familiar to you. It will know you it will have the kind of modality that allows it to match your emotional feelings. So it's like what are the sonic elements that allow you to feel? Lexus knows that as our world becomes increasingly automated, we should never lose track of the people at the center of it all. That's why Lexus innovations are always rooted in the human experience discover more at Lexus, dot com slash curiosity. Congratulations to pete opener forgetting last episodes missed sound right and that was the recreated voice of an Egyptian mummy researchers in England made that sound by reproducing his mouth and vocal cords with a three D. Printer, and here's this week's mystery sound. If you know that sound tell us at the web address mystery. Twenty K. Dot Org. If you right, you'll be entered to win one of our fancy twenty thousand Hertz t shirts. We'd like to feature your voice on a future episode, of Twenty Thousand Hertz and it's really easy to do that to leave a high quality voicemail using just your phone. Simply go to the Web Address High Dot Twenty K. dot org here are a few prompts. What sound fact do you think every normal person should know like if everyone on earth was required to take audio one, a one course what would be included do you have a personal story about some sort of sound related thing or experience that might not be on our radar? It can be silly. Sad informative whatever what is your favorite sound in the world and why? If, you have any thoughts on any of those questions, take a moment to go to your browser go to high dot twenty k. dot org and tell us. The dinosaurs. Jurassic. Park films are just believable they have personality and real emotion. One of the main reasons for this the incredible sound design but as with anything in Hollywood sometimes, scientific accuracy has to take a back seat to entertainment in the years. Since the original Jurassic Park, we've learned a lot about what dinosaurs probably looked and sounded like to fill in these gaps between the movies and the Real Jurassic World we need a paleontologist. My name is Julia Clark and I'm a professor of Paleontology at the University of Texas at Austin I have to say, I mean the original Jurassic Park movie it represented cutting edge science at the time and that was exciting to see. But Julia says certain parts of the movies just aren't very realistic. oftentimes, these dinosaurs in the movies are making really scary sounds as they're chasing prey items or children. That's not a context in which most predators produce sound. Imagine. You're a hungry tiger creeping through the Savannah. You spot your favorite snack alone antelope. But. It's on the lookout ears twitching for any sound that's out of place if you let out a blood curdling roar. All YOU'RE GONNA. Do scare lay your supper. There's also a physiological reason why roaring eating just don't go together. If you were about to eat a cheeseburger. Would you yell extremely loudly, and then stuff that cheeseburger in your mouth? No. Because those sounds that you're making are on the exhale and now you've exhaled all the air out of your lungs and eaten a giant cheeseburger, which is going to inhibit your ability to breathe in a second inhale potentially. If you're still not sure about this, give it a try at your next meal. I mean. So when that Iraq's chasing the small children, clearly the children are not threat it's not an aggressive display. They would just be silent and about eat them because you don't want to fully exhale with the loud sound. And then. Have you know a giant bite of child. It doesn't work. But of course, it probably wouldn't be very exciting if the T. Rex Jurassic Park and the whole movie creeping around silently. My. Guess is that if you're the T. Rex, you don't have to roar in reality you just come up behind your pray and chop down. and. That's that but we're watching these films and we want to inspire the kind of personality that the t rex has. It's scary. It's an aggressor it's a carnivore and the sound design team wanted to give you that visceral experience right from the start and Jurassic Park. The first glimpse of the T. Rex we get is when they pull up to its enclosure in the rain, they tied up goat to entice it. But now that goat is missing, it's completely quiet. There's nothing happening. There's no music just a little bit of rain and then you see the water start to ripple and you hear the distant thud. And here. And if you just heard those thuds and then the grumble. And that's it. There's something missing there that dinosaur needs to present itself as dangerous, and so it slams its foot down, opens its mouth and out that iconic blood-curdling Bello. So That's cinema. So. carnivorous dinosaurs probably didn't roar while they hunted the predators do roar to scare off threats and competitors. So in dinosaurs did make noise. What are they sound like Julia Studies, dinosaurs, closest living relatives, the reptiles to figure out the kinds of sounds they could have made. So reptiles include listeners and snakes, turtles, crocs in birds. Now, a lot of people think what you're putting birds in reptiles but if we think about the tree of life, that is the only sensible solution is that birds are really highly modified reptiles and they're really highly modified dinosaurs. The period that came after the Jurassic is called the Cretaceous period during that time, a new kind of feathered flying dinosaur appeared. These were one of the only kinds of dinosaurs that survived the great extinction when more familiar ones like t rex were wiped out all the birds that we have today, it's about ten thousand living species. They represent the descendants of one lineage of dinosaurs. Julius. Research. Team. Noticed that modern birds and reptiles share a common vocal behavior called a closed mouth vocalisations it sort of shapes the sound typically after it's produced in the vocal cords. So sound like Right is a close mouth sound. Our own closed mouth noises might be limited to a hum. But in other animals with other body shapes, they can be really impressive. Crocodilians can make very loud sounds actually in Crocodilians some of the sounds that to us would sound most like Aurora they're kind of a rumble. Those rumbles are made with the mouth closed. The birds we have now are sometimes called living dinosaurs and they take closed mouth vocalisations. A step further male ostriches have this boom call. In, which the mouth is closed and Low frequency call. Other. Birds make noises in a similar way. For instance, there's the coup of dove. There's the strange screeching sound of bittered. In the weirdly human call, the Eider Duck. So what we think is that maybe some dinosaurs maybe larger body dinosaurs maybe they're using these closed mouth vocal behaviors like booming calls that they make to attract a mate or defend a territory. Due to the sheer size of the largest dinosaurs, their booms would be much lower in pitch than even the largest birds. In fact, the sounds they made could have been so low that they'd be almost impossible for us humans to hear if we were around when t rex was round, we might feel the sounds of the largest dinosaurs more than we would hear them through our ears. These low rumbles weren't the only type of sound you hear in the Jurassic some dinosaurs known as pariser office had long skulls with two black holes called of acuity inside them. These acuity is don't. Sound, but they would shape sound sound would bounce around inside these tubes resonating echoing almost like a Didgeridoo. Own. In Jurassic Park three, the resonating skull actually becomes a plot point they're trying to three d print the vocal organ. Of A velociraptor and I guess the idea is that if they can communicate with these philosophers, they can influence their behavior. I give you the resonating chamber of velociraptor. Listen to this. I think it's really cool that at least in the drastic park movies they were trying. So that said everything else about the science of that scene is kind of wrong. So what they print, they call a resonating chamber in a resonating chamber doesn't have the capacity to make sound. It would be something that shapes sound after it was produced. Blowing, into a resonating chamber without using your vocal chords wouldn't make any sound just like blowing air down a digitally do with. This. In other words the only way to make a real velociraptor sound is with a whole living velociraptor. If we put all this together we can start to get a more complete picture of the Jurassic soundscape Julia thinks you may even be able to guess which geological period you were in. Just by the sounds that you heard I think there's a lot of evolution of the sonic landscape throughout the age of extinct dinosaurs that we would hear in earlier parts of dinosaur history where you have a lot of dinosaurs that are like Pony two-horse size and bigger those are going to be lower frequency sounds. So the Jurassic period would have been a place of deep basie rumbles. Yeah. It's only in the late Jurassic that we have evidence for things starting to take flight. And smaller body sizes. So by the tiny get to the Cretaceous, I think there's going to be a lot more higher frequency dinosaur sounds made by these smaller species. Still, going to be a fairly foreign sonic landscape, but they're still going to be sounds through almost bird like it would be fascinating to be a dinosaur watcher in the. Cretaceous. Figuring out the way the world sounded a hundred million years ago is hard work, but the drive to learn more keeps paleontologists like Juliet going we start with simple curiosity like a question like how would we approach this? How would we figure out what dinosaurs sounded like? That's a big question I feel so privileged. To be able to be outside with a group of other scientists discovering new fossils, but I also feel so privileged to work with all my students asking what might seem like kind of crazy questions and trying to figure out real ways of inquiry around those questions. Maybe, the next s film were represent dinosaurs and all their booming cooing rumbling glory. Whatever happens though whether you're in Hollywood or digging for dinosaur bones, there'll be lots of Dino Fund. I can promise you. Twenty Thousand Hertz is hosted by me. Dallas Taylor and produced out of the sound design studios of defacto sound here more at defacto sound dot com. This episode was written and produced by Layla Addison Than Me Dallas Taylor with help from Sam. SNEAD. It was story edited by Casey Emmerling. It was sound design and mixed by Soren Beijing in Jibe Burger thanks to our guests, Alan Nelson and Julia Clarke. You can find out more about how at SKYWALKER SOUND DOT com. You can also read about Julius Research, Julia Clarke, Dash Paleo Lab, DOT COM. Thanks to the varmints podcast for helping US name this. Episode from twitter. If you'd like to help Neymar episodes, help us with story directions, gift sneak peeks of upcoming shows or just want to tell us a cool sound fact. You can do that by following us on facebook twitter or are separate, and if social isn't your thing, you can always drop us a note at a high at Twenty K. Dot Org. Thanks for listening. Broken record is a show where the musicians you love talk about their life. And craft in this clip Andre Three Thousand and tells Rick Rubin why he's released. So little music since outcast what's your process like making music these days? Do you make much? I haven't been making much music man my my focus is not there. My confidence is not there hadn't been motivated to do a serious project out like to, but it's just it's just not coming, and so I'm just trying to find out what makes me feel the best now and what makes you feel the best is when I just do these random kind of instrumental kind of things you know they make me feel that make me feel. The most rebellious yes and I, don't know I have a really rebellious I don't like to go go flow I don't know why but I just feel best when I don't guess. I have to. Understand, I have the honour away. Oh for sure for sure. Subscribed a broken record right here in your podcast player.

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Star Wars, The Mandalorian, Star Trek 4, Joker 2 and Watchmen

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32:18 min | 1 year ago

Star Wars, The Mandalorian, Star Trek 4, Joker 2 and Watchmen

"Hello everyone and welcome to slash home daily for Wednesday November twentieth. Two Thousand Nineteen. Today's episode. We're in touch with the latest film and TV news in our feature presentation. We're GONNA have some word from Damon Lindelof. I'm answering all our burning questions about the Robert Redford administration in watchman. You WanNa not miss that. This is Islamism editor in chief. Peter SURATA during his podcast. Sasha we can editor Brennaman. Hey let's me in writer Christy Evangelista. Hello folks looks okay so we have a bunch of news to get into a lot of star wars. Let's start off on the other side of the galaxy. Lewis started off with Star Trek yesterday. I guess on the podcast you guys were talking about. How paramount doesn't WanNa take risks anymore and You know paranoid has star Trek this franchise Dude Abrahams was toying with the idea of doing another star Trek. Does it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Also doesn't look like winter. You know it's going to take that home anytime soon. But they have found a new captain of the Enterprise. Chris Chris who is it. It's me sorry everyone. I'm leaving my post direct star Trek for it. It's a bird. It is Noah no one holly who directed Lucy in the sky which got terrible reviews and bombed but he also created the the FX series Fargo based on the film and he directed created legion. So I guess based on the strengths of those two shows and not is the feature debut. He's being handed the Star Trek Franchise. I never saw it. Listen this guy. Did either of you see family. I actually don't even realize it came out. I have yet to see it. I was going to see it at tiff and then everyone said it was awful so I didn't go out of my way. I Love Fargo. I think if I was going to list the top ten TV shows of the last decade which may have to do for this podcast That I think Fargo would be up there for me And Wall Wall. I didn't I didn't continue on with legion. I did admire the style and just how bold an interesting What Noah brought thought that series so I mean bringing J.J? Abrams into Star Trek was kind of a bold choice at the time Now it seems obvious because you know he's moved on to Star Wars What do you guys think of a holiday with Star Trek like like? He's a good choice. I mean possibly. It's taken to doing a TV. Show like Fargo Legion is much different than doing a film franchise like like Star Trek I think maybe he has the right I don't know style for maybe to dig into maybe the weirder side of star Star Trek but I don't know it's it's unclear. Chris do you have any interest in the Hallway Star Trek movie. I don't know I mean to be to affair. I had no interest in that J.J. Abrams Star Trek movie. Either and then I really liked that first film so you know. I'm willing to be surprised. I A- At this point I would say no but if it turns out to be good I'll be happy. Not Calling the Star Trek forward. Does that mean that there's going to be a continuation of that J.J. Abrams universe verse. Yes so if you haven't been keeping up with what's going on out there listeners. At one point S J Clarkson was going going to direct the fish the previous version of star Trek for which was going to bring back Chris Hemsworth as Chris Pines character's father Captain Kirk father. We saw Chris. Hemsworth in the in the J.J. Abrams trek per prologue. And then right as things were gearing up both Hemsworth and pine walked off the project citing on salary negotiations they. They weren't getting pay what they wanted to get paid. And we'll awhile later. Hemsworth also said he did not like the script so their departures especially pines. Since he's the lead of the the this this film franchise but that project on hold at which points essays Clarkson left and it just seemed like star trek four was dead but now it's apparently back back on track and according to this is supposed to be a continuation of the Chris. Pine Zachary Quinto Etcetera Etcetera crew. So I guess. They worked something out with Chris trying to bring him back They don't mention anything about it. So I'm guessing that idea is dead at this point so I guess we're going to get like a whole new story. I feel like if you have no a hallway. INVOLVED YOU'RE NOT GONNA get traditional space adventure film feel like it has to do with multi versus and weird. We we implant like it's going to be different. I mean they already built in the alternate timeline. And stuff ended his franchise. He definitely has stuff to play around with their. Okay ed goods Take a trip to the other side of the galaxy to place far far away in a long time ago. Let's talk about Star Wars There's been a lot of star wars talking on this podcast. I know yesterday But it it just all hitting at the same time Disney with their handling of the mandatory and it's interesting because that first episode has a big reveal at the end of the episode and that big reveal is basically the the plot of the series aries. So the the whole APP said it's kind of like a Prequel to what the series is about in that reveal for the first week everybody was like let's keep it the secret. Let's not try to spoil people because you know there are large international audience that has not seen this series but Disney has decided that this is no longer spoiler so breadwinner yes so Obviously if you haven't seen them into Laura and you should go away for a little a bit But at the end of the man to Laurean we are introduced to a character that fans have come to call baby yoga because it is a very very small childlike version of the character. Yoda from Star Wars. But iota has not been designated as a certain kind of species by anybody Responsible for creating rating star Wars Canon yet. At least as far as we know for sure So that's what were referring to this character as baby oda he's the The asset that the man delorean was tasked with finding as kind of this Shady underground job and it's who I g eleven was also after and as we learned in the second episode there's some other bounty hunters who who are also after it so a lot of people apparently want this little guy And the introduction. Joan was a huge surprise because it hadn't leaked that the character was going to be A younger sort of Internet version of Yoda's creature species We we heard a while back that this was going to be a plot element but but not that this character was going to be like this and so now that it's been revealed and this character is accompanying the man delorean It's a you know a part of the show that we kind of need to talk about in the open and thankfully the official star wars social media count on twitter basically posted an image and a clear reference to the character kind of making it open season to be able to talk about it in the open because for a while a lot of people are being pretty respectful about not spoiling it because it was the the final reveal at that episode and they didn't want to spoil it for anybody People that this kind of hurts the most unfortunately are overseas watchers who don't even have access to Disney plus yet So it'd be kind of difficult for them to navigate the Internet the Internet and see things about the mandatory and without learning about this character detail but at the end of the day while he's a cool thing to discover for yourself at the end of that first episode it's a very basic part of the plot. And so the the more intriguing mystery is where where this came from Now why people are after and all this kind of stuff so while it is a bit of a spoiler. It's it's maybe not as big a deal. Yeah do you think like people that are seeing these images do you think like they think could think it's a big spoiler because they actually think it's Yoda potentially you know I think maybe it's just the the reveal reveal of that that a character like that is in the in the series is also a spoiler. You know there's just things that certain people don't WanNa know about but it's a difficult thing of trying to make everybody happy be and you know certain people don't even WanNa know the most basic of details about something before they watch it and unfortunately we can't. Yeah the time. Yeah running running from here on out our coverage we may be opened the referencing this character and headlines and using image in On the front page but We will keep spoilers About a story in that regard to Within the article itself Cast Butler phobia is real especially in two thousand nineteen and the the way that we the line that we have decided on the site to handle. It is if something's in the marketing we can openly discuss it because Disney and the filmmakers are putting it out there there So I think that's the line that we have to die on at this point. Now that there is stuff and trailers sometimes studios go too far in show too much and luckily we get early. Screenings we We know stuff that we don't report on that helps inform what we cover and how we cover it and thankfully there's Times that we won't you know. Cover the things that are in the marketing because we know something about it But I that's just how we're going to do it. Sadly them trying to keep baby. Yoda secret might prevent us from getting any Babe B.. Yoda plush is or fun codes or you you know I want all the baby Yoda things Brab. Oh believe me I do too but because they kept it secret. Unfortunately it doesn't look like we'll get any merchandise featuring the character before Christmas Lucasfilm and Disney were very cooperative with Jon favreau wanting to keep this a secret it which meant toiling this back from merchandising and all the various companies you make merchandise tied to movies and whatnot usually find out a lot of details long before The general public does even before a trailer is out or anything like that and if they were going to make merchandise They would have had to have found out about this months ago. So unfortunately that means they're probably won't be any time to streamline a toy to production just because of all the hoops to jump through to test and get it approved and manufacturer manufacturer and sitting around and all that jazz but either way on sure fans will be happy to get their hands on a toy version of this character whenever it becomes available. Did they make the right decision. Brad because I feel like Disney could be sweeping up not that they need more money but they are losing out on so much money right now not having those baby. Yoda Toy's available AH stores. I mean sure that they're missing out on it now but they'll get it as soon as it comes out like it's not like someone's going to be like well. This didn't come out at Christmas so I'm not buying this ever sir. You don't time can go by and like our interest in a BB. Yoda merchandise can Wayne. I mean this guy is adorable and cute. And unless unless you know that changes and George Lucas turns him into something else in a special edition of the mandatory and I don't think that's going to be a problem. Yeah okay A yesterday I was way. That's Ben hosts. The podcasts and I was at this event that was held at the Porsche experienced center in Los Angeles. Something I didn't even know existed existed but they were holding a women of Lucasfilm. What drives panel and This is Porsche has a deal with Disney Lucasfilm. Doug Chiang that the concept designer created a new spacecraft along with Porsche out. It's ridiculous Doug Chiang who's not a woman WHO's man but they're posting this panel about women. It's it's all very confusing. Basically it was. There's a Lotta people including everyone from the president of Lucasfilm Kathleen Kennedy to the second unit director of rise of skywalker to Some executives the story grew people director of development Michelle who's the producer and s vp of action and development and production To Debra Child the director of the mandatory in upcoming Obi one series and The the conversation was really good It was a lot about the trials and tribulations of being female filmmaker in Hollywood these days and especially trying to make big skill you know sci-fi Five Star Wars films and TV shows and it was very interesting Not a lot of stuff that we would normally cover on the site. But at one point the new technology acknowledgee used in the middle of Orient got brought up and that took like fifteen to twenty minutes sidetrack in the conversation as everybody on stage gushed at this new technology Collagen so I wanted to share some of the quotes here From from this conversation because this is interesting like you know. We had heard all throughout the production of the Mandalay worrying or I had heard that like they were using this very high tech game changing technology to film the show. And I think even Brad Right. I wouldn't want when we're talking about the second episode. IV Talking with you and I was like I. I've watched these episodes multiple times each and I'm looking at the backgrounds and I can't tell that they're they're using anything untraditional. It looks like they're in rail places and whatever So anyways here is some quotes from that. Kathleen Kennedy said that her and Jon Favreau went into Disney and said this is something that we would want to try and they said what exactly is it and we said we're not exactly sure we have no idea what this is going to cost. And we have never built anything with the technology and She basically revealed that this technology is it's called stagecraft That's the name that Iowa has given a an it's basically a projection system on screens in the real innovation. Is that when you move the camera inside the space the parallel exchanges. So suddenly you're in an environment that actually begins to behave in the same way it wouldn't actual three D. environment like the one we are in today. She went on to say that. What this means is quote if you want a big establishing shot in Iceland you you don't want to take seven hundred people spent four months prepping a set because you only want to do this tablet shot and with this you can bring back everything to shoot interiors on stage that becomes very meaningful and big huge projects and small projects so the interesting thing with the mandatory in the fact that we tested the technology inside of television and not on the big screen was the way we felt that we could take a big risk and not a giant risk It was really oh she. He also told the story that she brought an executive from Walt Disney Company. Down to the production because You know it's really complicated thing to describe like they have not released any video footage of what this whole system looks like so i. I'm very interested to see what it looks like. But I guess one of the executives in Walt Disney became became down the production and to check it out and see how has working in quote this is a quote from Kathleen Kennedy and he stepped in and he looked around and said John. I thought you weren't going to build anything. And he had no idea he was standing on a virtual set. That's how unbelievable it is She did go on to explain that. This technology can basically bring any place in the world or create any environment in the world and put in sound stage but it's not easy easy quote. This really requires a filmmaker like deb. Who plans does not some somebody? Who's winging it you absolutely need to plan ahead because an in essence what you're doing is you're taking a lot of post production in you're putting in pre production unquote so you can read my whole article as a ton? More quotes explains means more about what this technology is what what can be done with it and Deborah Chow explains that she might be using it on the OB ONE TV series but it really seems seems like a game changer to me because now they you don't have to travel to the desert of wherever to get you know to bassist shot shot. You can just though Mitt in a warehouse in Manhattan Beach Seems like you would be -CCOMPLISH bigger scope things on a much lower budget a jet and Also there's some interesting talk there I'm not a big techie. I don't really know How things are made like led panels but the the panels on here the led's Kathleen Kennedy talks about how they have to actually grow these crystals in the process of like putting them together? And how like. It's so complicated. And so it it takes so many years to try to create the stuff that is used in the second. It's very interesting. I think people might be interested in that but Brad now that you've occurred all this I know you've you've seen both episodes of our like. Are you amazed because this is also they clarified. On rogue one in Solo they use screens around spaceships to give light in shadows onto the performers but those screens were CG doubt the stuff stuff that we are seeing on screen in the Laurien is the screens. We are seeing the screens on screen. Like those like we're not seeing like you know c g virginal like that's done after the fact. Yeah that's kind of mind blowing to me and I really want to kind of witness it in person in like be on a set and see what it's like like especially especially if somebody walked onto a set and looked around and thought it was an actual set that was built around them I'd really like to see what this looks like an action so i. I hope that they released a feature at at some point. That shows how they did it. Yeah I know it's Sunday it's a few years back I love X lab was there and they had this demo that that did you end up in the spread. Read the No. I need to do that. I I don't think it's a NANCE. Yeah you step into this room and it had projections on all sides and it was just projections. Laser projectors electors but I had like these three glasses I put on the head. Motion Control Balls on them. Basically the camera tract where I was in the room and I was intact Wayne and there are two in C. Three Po and Whatever and as I moved around the projections changed and I really felt like I was in a different like even more so it felt way like I'd say like one hundred times more incredible than the are feels in VR fields? Kind of incredible So I'm wondering if it kind of feels like that or not but Yeah I WANNA see how this is done. I Know Jon. FAVREAU is one of the filmmakers that likes to use this advanced technology. But he doesn't like to show it until after the fact he wants viewers to you know be immersed in the story and not be thinking talking about how how it was made the gidgets and gadgets that were were used to create so hopefully after the eight episodes air. The we'll we'll get some look at the technology used to create the show but Okay let's move out. Kathleen Kennedy is also Dean during the press tour for star wars the rise of Skywalker I walker and she has revealed a little bit on the future of Star Wars when we might expect the next star wars movie and what role. Jon Favreau may play in the future future of the series presswood. We now right so Kathleen Kennedy did an interview with rolling stone. It's a pretty in depth interview. You should definitely check it out. And and she she goes into a lot of stuff but One of the things. We're most concerned with here. Is they ask her point blank. Do you know what the next Star Star Wars movie is going to be after the rise skywalker and she says no quote no. We've got various things. We're looking at and various ways in which we can beginner. Not and she has quit was a little longer but it boils down to. She Says No At the same time T. H. R. published a separate report And this is one of those Anonymous source things so take it with a grain of salt but it comes from insiders saying that there's actually actually a star wars movie already on the dock for twenty twenty two and if that's true I would have to imagine. Kathleen Kennedy. Does you know what's next and and so but Beyond that it's also reported that Jon favreau is going to have a a big part to play in the future of of Star Wars. In general Dave felonious also going to have a big part to play so while we don't know what they're doing when we do know that they're going to be involved with a lot of star wars stuff in the future and the other thing is teach our says we'll we'll know what the deal is with at this twenty twenty two star wars film by January. So I guess they're waiting for the the rise skywalker GONNA come out. And they want all focused beyond that and then once that's out we're finally going to learn whatever is going to happen next. Do you think that she's just being cagey she. Does you think it's just that that she he just wants to keep the focus on rises skywalker. Now I I definitely think it's like a PR thing she doesn't WanNa and that makes sense. I mean that movie isn't even out yet I it seems premature to be immediately like What comes next? She wants the focus to be on rise skywalker as you know she should since. That's that's their next big thing. So I I I think it makes sense for her to downplay it I don't want I don't think she's like lying per se. I do think you know there's a bunch of moving pieces. We don't know a lot about behind ride the scenes but if T- HR is to be believed will know soon enough what is going on here announce it now they have to fire the director sooner and replace it with the bird. Okay Moving on stock J J Abrams He's been I'm doing some press for Star Wars ride the skywalker and he's talked a little bit about Carrie Fisher's death and how that affected this final film in the Skywalker Saga Brad Weena. Well so Carrie Fisher passed away unfortunately A couple years ago so she wasn't able to shoot any new scenes further skywalker but we had already heard. I heard that they Jada Abrahams was able to utilize footage. That was shot From the force awakens to basically create new scenes with actual the footage of Carrie Fisher that they were able to repurpose for this movie and apparently the the footage that they have which will be around eight minutes of footage according to Carrie. Fisher's brother Todd Fisher Is enough that they didn't really didn't have an impact on this story that they would have told for. General Leo or Ghana had Carrie Very Fisher Not passed away So Abrahams said quote. There seems we're interacting with other characters. In a way that is uncanny. Hopefully if it works it will be an invisible thing and if you didn't know you would never know but we got to tell the story That layer that we would've told head Carey lived and that's kind of incredible And this it's kind interesting because it means that there was probably a pretty big change regarding layers role in this movie compared to whatever Contra Varo endear connelly had planned because after Carrie Fisher had passed away Colin Farrell had said that her death basically caused them to start over from scratch And do you something completely different than than initially planned and I wonder if that maybe issue with something that caused the eventual creative friction between Lucasfilm and what Travolta Oh and Connolly wanted to do or had planned and maybe Abrahams was able to figure out how to do something with Leonid still worked For the story that they wanted to tell On the store you talked yesterday about how Derek in calling got a story by credit and that probably means that the you know the loose bits of the story have remained the same skeleton of the story so like maybe they were able to save more of that original draft. I'm sure I'm sure some of what did I I like. I said yesterday's episode. I feel like there's probably just some general brushstrokes that worked simply because of what Abrams wanted to do. Lining up. Maybe the ideas that Travolta uh-huh had already so you know like unfortunately like I said it seems like we might never find that out but it's interesting to hear that Abrahams didn't really feel like he was hindered at all by not having having Carrie Fisher present. I think it's a little bit ingenuous disingenuous to say that this film is the same story that would come out before her death. Because I feel like as much as you can keep her in you can save the footage and you can keep princess or General Leia. Whatever you want to call her In the story and she's training ray or whatever she's doing you know that there was probably going to be confrontation between her and Kyle and there's no way to do that with the footage they have right. I mean I don't know I mean how does a confrontation between lay and Kylo. Hello work on. You mean that they would have fought or they would have just had a moment where they'd like talk to each other. I don't know I feel like they had to come face to face. I feel like this was going to be her movie right right and I don't know you know the first movie. Han came face to face with them. second movie luke. Kind of case with I hello using force projection. I feel like this movie was GonNa lead up to her confrontation with her her son but I don't know maybe maybe maybe that is in there. I don't know I really don't know Okay let's talk about our last story for today. And that is a joker sequel in the works and todd does might also be planning yet. Another other DC character origin movie. Chris what do we know so. This is a three pronged story so early this morning news broke From not hr the Hollywood reporter saying that not only is there a joker sequel in the works. which kind of makes sense? Even though I don't think the movie calls for it but the movie he made a billion dollars a huge hit. It's probably GonNa get an Oscar nomination so their reports stated that not only is there a joker sequel in the works with Todd Phillips. It's tough Phillips also. Went to Warner Brothers chairman. Toby Emmerich and pitched him on this idea of making a whole bunch of DC character origin origin movies in the same style as joker and Toby Emmerick didn't like the idea of a bunch of movies but he agreed to at least one so that was the initial the report. A few hours later deadline had a report of their own stating at there's not a joker sequel in the works and there is not another DC movie in the works from Todd Phillips and then variety updated something themselves and they a added that while the DC separate DC origin. Movie isn't happening. There definitely is talk of jokers equals and they sort of split split the difference. They're saying the story was partially correct but not entirely correct. So this all boils down to. I have no idea what's happening. So is there a joker sequel. I came from from the sound of it from varieties report and I tend to think variety is probably the most accurate of all three of these Outlets it sounds to me like there's definitely talk of a joker sequel and I definitely believe that the movies a huge it like I said so. I'm sure one brothers has definitely had a meeting or two with Todd Phillips about doing another another joker movie but beyond that it doesn't sound like it's official yet it doesn't sound like everyone has signed on yet there's no script in the works yet and they're definitely currently does not seem to be a separate origin story for another DC character in the works interesting. What do you make of us? Do you think you have to make a joke. I think that's inevitable. But do you think one brothers is GonNa give Todd Phillips more room to play in the DC universe. I'm personally just hoping that they just do a similar version of this movie but said it in Thailand What that's a hangover to Joe? Yeah I I kind of forgot hangover to even happen so yeah it was a thing that was just like hanging over one but it was in Thailand. Okay let's move on to our feature presentation I think we gotta go quicker with us and we normally do because we are running out of time but Chris you got to speak to Damon Lindelof. The executive producer of watchmen. And you. You know you asked only the important questions and the questions were all revolving around Robert Redford's administration. So what did you find out yes so I urge everyone to go to slash dot com and and read this because it's a very lengthy Report and Damon. Lindelof answers are very amusing. They're they're all in character. Within the watchmen in universe so basically he was answering as if he was someone. Working within the REDFORD administration giving us the scoop on Robert Redford's presidency and I'm not going to run through them all because there's a lot of stuff in here but just it's it was just amusing in general because like I said this is all played completely straight as if it's a serious is thing but it's obviously not and some fun facts Robert REDFORD's current vice president is Joe Biden but at one point Jesse Ventura Laura. The wrestler actor turned politician was his VP. But then he died under mysterious circumstances. I guess applying murdered on top of that he we learned that some form of the universe exists. In the watchmen. Universe I but much. Like the watchmen comic. Since people don't aren't impressed with superheroes suck superheroes exist. They're all pirate movies so it's like an entire pirates hiring cinematic universe that's just like the NCAA and features cast members from the NCAA Scarlett Johansson. And then there's like an entire list of who starred in what Robert Redford movies. The Real Rob Bradford stir starting in our world but who who took them over at robber ever became president president in the universe so it was very amusing. I'm very thankful to Dame Lindell offer for indulging this very silly idea and taking taking it very seriously and giving us a lot of background INFO on the the fictional. Robert Redford watchmen presidency. And this just goes to show that he's really thought this all out on a really nerdy level. He's he's actually broken his day on as to how this presidency works out even though he never actually been see it in the show now I just love the idea that even Lindelof is taking out time out of his important schedule his day to answer. You know what. What would happen to Sundance of rubber adverts? Now president right exactly it's crazy so yeah check that out the link to that and this is in the show notes as well as links to all the stories mention on today's podcast. This podcast daily is published. Every weekend. itunes Google overcast. spotify all the popular podcast. Please feel free to send your feedback. Questions comes concerns to us at Peter Adt COM and please Rayton view this podcast and I tuned to tell your friends spread the word. It will see you tomorrow.

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Star Wars, Edgar Wright, Coronavirus TV Show, Online Film Festivals & Disneys HUGE Release Dates

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Star Wars, Edgar Wright, Coronavirus TV Show, Online Film Festivals & Disneys HUGE Release Dates

"However one and welcome slash on daily for Friday April Third Twenty Twenty on today's episode. We're in talks with the latest film and TV. News slush on editor in chief. Peter surata enjoying mantis. Podcasts as Sasha weekend editor Doman Hey let me senior writer Ben Pearson Gone. In writer Chris Evangelista. Hello folks okay let's Let's start off first with a little bit of Star Wars News or non news or whatever Solo is a movie that a lot of Star Wars fans love. There's a whole campaign going on in the Star Wars twitter world. It's Hashtag Make Solo to happen. What offense want this and you know now with Disney plus. Maybe there's a chance that we could see it on the small screen Brad. Tell us about it. Well Jonathan Gasden One of the CO writers on Solo recently responded to a fan's inquiry on twitter. About whether or not we might see a solo sequel happen And his response was most disappointing disappointing but left open a little bit of hope by guests. Kazim said don't think anyone's pursuing a solo sequel. At the moment I think a feature at this point would be a tough sell and the Disney plus Star Wars Lee is really pretty packed all shows. I'm looking forward to So the doors open potentially for the story that started in Solo to continue at Disney plus series by. Sounds like that. There aren't any Active development plans to make that work because Disney already knows what other star wars shows are going to make We already know about the Kassian Indoor series and the OBI Wan series and there's probably a lot more in the works as well so Sorry so low fans you're GONNA have to wait and see what happens with Darth Maul and the Crimson Dawn Time don't give up. Hope you know this. This whole saga is about hope The you know what it's also interesting like earlier. This week there was I think we posted on slash foam. There was like an arts to did a trilogy of Window Posters Brad. Were you the one that wrote that up? I did yeah named Peter. Stoltze created like A series of posters called the calories and chronicles that was a trillion. Movie starring. Billy Dee Williams as Landau as if the movies were made in the late nineteen seventies early. Nineteen eighties at had a lot of Famous black stars in them. The credits had late just like little funny details like a third one introduced John. Claude van Darth Maul which was kind of amusing concept though it is a really great piece of Art You know I was hoping that they were going to continue the story with the Landau movie. And maybe it continued the Crimson Dawn story in in that film. But we're not going to get that maybe we'll get into OBI WAN KANOBI TV series. What is going on with this ban? Yes Oh earlier. This year Lucasfilm decided to essentially pull the plug on the show and start from scratch. They had as far as I understand it. A bunch of scripts maybe even a whole season's worth of scripts that were finished and ready to go and they had hired some people and sets were built in Ewan. Mcgregor was back on board to star and then everything sort of came crashing down. They just I guess you know got a little trigger should trigger. What does the phrase gun shy or whatever and they decided all right. Let's take another pass this instead. So they fired the writer. I guess maybe he left. Whatever terms you WANNA use there and they've been on a search to find somebody to rewrite this one show from the ground up it sounds like and now they've found somebody and that person is named Jobe Herald and who is that he is kind of an interesting unexpected choice for this job because I would say he's arguably better known as producer than a writer at this point he is either produced or executive produced movies like edge of Tomorrow John. With Chapter Three Para Bellum of the Robin Hood movie with Taryn Edgerton. He has worked in. Tv A little bit he produced the Wgn America series underground as far as being a writer though I think. He only has four produce credits. One of which is his electoral which is a movie called awake from back in two thousand seven. I don't know if you guys remember this movie. I think it was Hayden Christensen and like Jessica Alba or something in like a person had to go be put under anesthesia for surgery or something and then went wrong and they were awake the whole time and it was like this crazy thriller thing he also wrote. King Arthur the legend of sword which was supposed to start a six movie franchise but obviously do not poor perform well enough in the box office to get even one sequel going let alone five more He's also written army of the debt which is ax nighters upcoming Zombie movie for Net flicks. And then I think he's also going to be working on a transformer project one. It's a billion probably in development right now for paramount so Yeah he does not exactly have like a great track record in terms of writing stuff. So it's it's interesting because I think there were earlier. Reports that Lucasfilm was maybe looking internally at people like Dave Baloney or Christopher Joost to who both worked on the Mandolin as potential options to be the new writer of this. Ob One series but now it looks like they've gone outside of the Lucasfilm family a little bit and found Jobe Herald. So I guess we'll see how that goes but How based on go ahead. How did we go from like the guy that wrote like drive to the guy that wrote King Arthur legend of the sword? Yeah I would think that those roles would be flipped and and one person's if you told me like one of these people had their entire scripts thrown out. I would guess that it was the person who wrote drive. But that's the world we're living in Peter. It's a weird time. Do you think it's like hard for them to like. I would think everybody in Hollywood would want to be involved in the Star Wars Project. Like big names or maybe. Maybe they're afraid because they've seen you know what can come from Star Wars fans who are not happy. I think it's maybe a little that and also maybe a little bit of like They've seen what's happened on the feature side of things where you know Kathleen Kennedy and different producers and stuff like that have brought in people who have very very strong like author aerial voices and that has not always gone very well for Lucasfilm because eventually ended up butting heads and a lot of these people have been fired or like no walk away or whatever. So maybe they're trying to find somebody that they can control a little bit easier. That's speculation on my part. The strange thing is the main learn from all accounts like it feels like at least from what I've heard it's been kind of like developed in a silo like it didn't have as many like cooks in the kitchen and that turned out. I mean it is the most popular thing on Disney. Plus people seem to love it will be beyond stuff so. I don't know I I just. Why can't they replicate that with other? Star Wars series. What I'm wondering I don't know I I should mention that Deborah Chow who was on board to direct all the episodes Is Still on board as far as we know and Yoon McGregor obviously is still important too so it doesn't seem like it. It changed anything up to dramatically except for just the writing of the script really curious what's going to happen with this. I know there was some rumors that Part of the rewrite was that the original obi-wan-kenobi episodes like were too similar to the mandatory in that it was him. Kinda looking over young Luke skywalker. From Afar. So I mean it's kind of like lone wolf income again but it just amazes me that if that's true. How can both of those projects developed at the same time within the same company without them realizing that until they're building man that's crazy okay anyway? Let's move on from Star Wars. Let's talk about Edgar right in what he might be directing next. Tell US better crafts. Yes so well has a new movie coming out this year. Maybe who knows? It's called last night in Soho. But after that he's moving on to a film called set my heart to Fi- which is based on a novel of the same name and this is the abridged version of of the Synopsis. The story is set to take place in an all too human twenty four introduced jared at Android who undergoes an emotional awakening and embarks on a quest to convince humans that he and his kind should be permitted to feel. Its quest sparked in part by jared introduction to eighties and nineties movies that leads to an unforgettable adventure across the west coast of America after he determines to write a film script that will change the world So yeah it's literally about a robot he wants to write a screenplay that's that's the new movie and I honestly that sounds kind of like perfect material. Ram especially the eighty s and ninety which I'm guessing is going to make a very pop culture. Filled film in right. Seems to excel at stuff like that so the sounds like the perfect project for yeah. I'm so excited for this. Do you know when this novel is. GonNa come out. No I do not. It doesn't have. I don't thinks that has a date yet. It's just a thing where they picked it up. Preemptively alleys yeah well. I'm excited for this. Because it sounds like the perfect Pairing for a great and it sounds like it would probably have a kick ass soundtrack as well that judging by his previous let's now move onto the doom and gloom part of this podcast where we talk about how the virus is influencing the future. Hollywood. Let's start off first with how. I'm sure there's GONNA be lots of projects film projects TV projects that are going to be influenced by this time in our lives and would happen to us. It seems like the first of which we are learning new comedy series. Brad Thomas Bennett. Yes so a lot of people online at least had film twitter. Have Joking about how we're going to see tons of indie movies at Sundance next year and whatnot about all these couples. Who are either you know finding love or breaking up while they are under self quarantine During you know the virus pandemic But the offense executive producers Pauline Christine and Ben Silverman are taking a little bit of a different approach by being inspired by the new normal of Workplace which is people using video conferencing software like zoom and skype and Google hangouts to engage with their co workers and basically do whatever they need to do to get their job done so these these guys are working on a new workplace comedy that is Described as following a Wonderkid boss who decides to have all of his staff Connected Online through this virtual interface and be face to face all day every day in order to keep track of productivity. And make sure everybody is on task. th there's no title for you and honestly even though it's you know being inspired by our current situation there's no indication that like that corona virus or like any kind of pandemic. Actually be the impetus for this workplace comedy. It could just be you know the the the format or the concept of it and really what it sounds like is we'll probably get a series. That is something akin to like searching or unfrosted but in a comedic setting instead where the show unfold don. Everybody's computer screens Modern family actually did something like that where they had an entire episode play out across phones and IPADS and computers Aunts and so that was actually worked. Pretty well it was. It was funny and it was a you know an innovative kind of episode. But I just don't know if it's something if that's what they're going for that can sustain itself for an entire series. You know these are two guys. You know who are experts on the workplace comedy? They worked on the office. Don't know Paul Lieber. Steen played toby. Finders in on the office and Ben. Silverman had a small role in the series. He was one of Jim Halpern business. Partners at the sports Publicity Management Company that they started towards the end of the series and he was also an NBC executive for some time. So yeah I mean you know. I guess it's better than having something that is just about like the pandemic and you know the most obviously things and might have a unique approach to the workplace comedy. Yeah now I'm glad that it's not directly about chronic virus. What's the chances that this is going to be titled W F H? I feel it doesn't. That's the new thing that everybody W F h work from home and might be. It could be called work from home to could be two I'm also letter like I'm guessing. The timeliness line is too short to do this but it would be fun if someone during this time because we don't know how long this is here. We go right. Some people are saying it could last all summer. Some people say could last until the end of the year I hope not but if it is maybe show like this could cast a completely remotely virtually and then film it remotely overlake teleconferencing software. It would be interesting. I'm not sure how difficult that is or anything like that. But yeah yeah that'd be the first Social socially distant films Show let's do it. Yeah I hear okay. Let's let's talk about Steven Spielberg has teamed with Af. I The American Film Institute to Launch This new movie club. Ben Tells but that yeah so af the American Film Institute is like one of the you know a premier institutions of film. They're like the gatekeeper. Sounds bad but they release a list every few years of the top one hundred movies of all time and they have a prestigious film school that a ton of famous filmmakers have come out of so they have decided that they wanted to release or kickoff. This new movie club which is called. Aafi movie club and it is a daily virtual gathering to leverage our collective love of film on behalf of optimism in this time of global uncertainty so Steven Spielberg. They've wrangled him to introduce the first movie. Which was the wizard of Oz earlier? This week? there have been a few other movies since then. Moulin Rouge and some like it hot and today's is Dr Strangelove and basically it's just every day F. I. Chooses an iconic movie for the world to watch together at home some of them have video introductions from special guests celebrities and movie stars and whatever and basically it's just you know they're going to have some fun facts up there on their website and stuff about the different movies is just like a way for people to watch the same thing at the same time. The unfortunate news is that on their website. It they announced what movie it is and whatever but they just sort of send you links of how to find these movies instead of actually hosting the movies themselves on their Website which is a nonprofit organization so they probably don't have the kind of cash necessary to be able to pay the licensing fees to be able to host all of these super famous movies that are owned by studios and stuff like that. But I just thought it would be a much cooler thing if you could just literally go to dot com and watch actually watched the movie bear without having to have a pre-established subscription to any streaming service or whatever but the way they have it set up right now is like they announced the movie you can go to the website. Read some facts about watch some videos on their social channels or whatever and then just like it directs you to where the film is available to stream elsewhere. So if you're looking for more things to watch and and went to Washington Classic Films. This seems like a good way to do it. Yeah the thing. That's disappointing to me here. It's it's really just an introduction from famous director or star right like so. It's I would much prefer. I'd love if there was a way for them to get Steven Spielberg to actually like do a live. Watch of of you know the wizard of Oz where he provides a commentary or something. Yeah that'd be awesome but yeah these videos introductions are like sixty seconds long and it's it seems like pretty haphazardly thrown to gather. These are clearly reading off of cue cards and stuff like that. So it's not like the greatest you know the fact that. Oh you know. Robert Deniro is introducing Dr Strangelove like when you watch the video. It's a little underwhelming so I think I agree with you Peter. That'd be really cool. If they could get people to actually commit some some real time and energy into a building this thing up and making it like a more of a a must watch must participate type of event by providing something that we haven't seen before which would be those people were maybe other experts and stuff doing like full-fledged commentary track that would be really cool. Yeah we're doing a similar thing on dot com doing everyday called quarantine stream where we're recommending a show movie or thing that you can watch the you might not know about. So we're we're not going with what AF is doing and kind of going for the cream of the crop. We're going for things that you probably haven't heard of or seen that we we recommend you watch during this time of self isolation and quarantine so Check it out. I'll put a link to that in the show notes Let's talk about South by South West because you know th this whole this whole virus is destroying any semblance of any of the film festival this usually where small films go to get exposure? Get pickup and and find a home and find a place to you. Know gain an audience but now that they're not happening like south by southwest. Didn't happen this March and we're coming up on. What can I is probably not happening at. The end of the year do tiff. Tiff said anything yet. Cressner still acting like it's going to happen but we'll we'll see about that. Yeah well at the C. So Now the south by isn't happening what are they doing about it right? So this is all still very up in the air and there are no actual films lined up yet but south by southwest has teamed up with Amazon to do a a one time virtual festival. Put the offer out filmmakers Saying you know we're going to we're trying to do this. That filmmakers will get a paid for allowing their films to screen and interesting enough. It's it's going to be completely free like you don't need an Amazon prime membership. You just need Amazon membership to view these films. There's some hubbub about this You know some people may think. Oh this is a great idea but others aren't sold on it because you know I'm seeing some rumblings online it boils down to this could hurt a distribution. Because you know. There's going to be uploaded free online. It's inevitable that these things are going to be pirated. And if they're you know films that don't have distribution yet are immediately pirated. There's GonNa be no incentive for studios to pick these movies up if they're out there so it's kind of an iffy situation you know. No one's being forced to do it. Obviously it's entirely up to the filmmakers if they want their films screen or not but I really don't know how many filmmakers are are going to go for this idea maybe films already have. Distributors will go forward but beyond that. I really don't know there's no date yet. they're hoping to have happened this month but we'll save so so are they basically announcing this before. They've signed any deals with any films. Honestly that's what it sounds like. It sounds like they're putting the idea out there and hoping filmmakers will latch onto it but At the moment we don't have any other details. I feel like the only films that are going to take on the steelers films. That didn't think that they were going to get distribution in the first place in her trying to take advantage of a situation where you know you'll get a bunch of is on this like south by southwest online film festival website or section of Amazon. Or whatever you WANNA call it like. I'm assuming maybe some little known documentaries and stuff I'm guessing it's the the films that people most people go to south by southwest. The Sea will not be available in there. Yeah I again we. I honestly don't know what's going to be on like I really doubt big stuff like antlers was supposed to play. I have a really hard time believing that's going to be added and you know but then again that already has a distributor. So maybe I I really. Don't you know look everyone knows my stance? I I will gladly watch everything from my house and never leave again. But I know that's not ideal for filmmakers who loved the idea of debut film at Festival with a huge audience in writing that Busni. You're not going to get that for just putting it online in this will just be kind of like a a more. Buzzed about advertise. Vod It's not like we're all going to be watching the movie at the same scheduled time right right and honestly this a great deal for Amazon. It's not such a great deal for the filmmakers and So again it's it's really up in the air. Hopefully we'll know more in the upcoming weeks. Yeah that'd be interesting. I don't know online film. Festivals could be interesting if there was the idea of actually like off all watching virtually at the same time. Different films like that. You couldn't just choose like you had to actually show up at a certain time. That could be interesting and it would also to interrupt you here for second because there's some breaking news. Disney has pulled artemis fowl from theatrical release and is going to be debuted on Disney plus now which is sort of surprising because it looks like they spent a lot of money on that movie and actually there are a ton of new Disney release so I saw artemis follow. That was supposed to come out at the very end of May theatrically Who is now hitting Disney on that date may actually don't know they haven't put a a release date out for Disney plus yet it. Just just we know it's going to be debuting. Their and their scrapping the release entirely But there's also a ton of other release date stuff from Disney including a bunch of marvel states so I guess the most important one would be that black widow just must be coming out pretty soon is sliding into the internals release slot which is in November of this year so that seems to make some sense in that manner so many of these Peter. I'll just say what happens the turtles. Yes so it's starting a cascade. Domino effect of delays here. So the eternal is now going to arrive in February of next year. Doctor Strange to is going to be arriving in November of next year for love and thunder. It looks like it's going to be a February twenty twenty two west Anderson's movie. The French dispatch is going to be coming out in now. July of this year Indiana Jones. Who Five which originally they were looking at a two thousand nineteen release date for that. It's been pushed several times but it's been pushed again to now summer. Let's see July. Twenty ninth twenty twenty two Captain Marvel to is moving also to July of twenty twenty two. Let's see Moulin which was originally supposed to come out in. March now has a July twenty fourth twenty twenty release date. So that'll be coming out. Wait a second July. That's that seems like the. Yeah Beverly One of this whole thing as seems a little optimistic. That theaters will be open in Opening like ready for big blockbusters in July of this year now they didn't move pixar soul and that's like has a generally stayed. Well that seems like it's not GonNa be a situation that remains the way it is for a long time. I don't know I guess lacks jared. Kushner is on top of this fine. Yeah that's perfect. And then the the Ryan Reynolds Movie Free Guy has been moved to December of this year. So that was another one. That's supposed to be opening. I think this summer and has now been pushed back to December which December seems a little bit more reasonable to me than this July for some of these things but man. There's a lot to go through here. Yeah let's let's Usually we have some time to write this up. And then parse through information before we get on and comment on it. But I think there's a couple of things that I think we should dissect here number one that it that they've only decided out of other tire lineup to put artemis fowl direct to Disney plus. What what do you make of that anybody? Anybody WANNA take. This probably looked awful man. They realize cares that much about it but it seems like some of these may be like black widow. I guess they spend too much money. A black widow to have for direct a disney. More buzz about black people will go see a black widow movie in theaters. Whereas is anyone excited about arguments valvoline. Hd You read the books. She went to the set and even she thinks this does not look good. So I feel like no one. Is that interested in Artemis Fowl? And that's kind of why they're like all right. We can push this one Disney plus but they you know they want those box office bucks for black widow and stuff like that. What about Free Guy? That's now coming out. In December of that would have been a perfect gloss later like get people to subscribe to Disney plots while they're in this quarantine like in give them some new content like that doesn't Brad. I know you're a big comedy Guy Do you think free for you guys. GonNa make that much money theatrically. I mean. It's a pretty big budget movie very high concept since the whole thing is that. It's you know Ryan Reynolds playing a video game character who decides to step up more than just like a non playable computer character And so this Ryan Reynolds. I'm sure that they're just waiting. It'll be a big hit internationally as well so I I just imagined. They probably don't want to take too big of a hit on that movie. Yeah the the other shocking thing. I think we've kind of briefly. Touched on is some of these release dates are in mid to late July. Does Disney actually believe that. We're going to be back in. You know. I want to say back to normal but like in a normal enough for team that we're going to be going to movie theaters in July. I wonder if it's just like a strategic move. Just like they know that it's not real but they're just doing it just in case or something like the they wanna like plant the flag in case other studios start to get ideas about it. I don't know I xe expecting those to move the other day. Paramount moved the spongebob movie to July. And they're they're obviously them thinking July might happen to but I have. I feel like things aren't going to be back to quote unquote normal until like September. And that honestly feels optimistic. Emirate and saying picks her soul. The release date was This June June nineteenth. So that has not moved. Why are they not moved that if they're moving everything else? Why didn't they move to the next Pixar movie? Well I mean. My spy is still slated for April seventeenth. No one's move that yet so I just forgot about it. I love the idea of everyone involved with that movie. Completely forgetting that it exists and it being like mailed out like somebody's like forcefully take prints of the thing to theaters around the country. Just like drop them off on the front porch because all the theaters closed. But everybody just forgot about my spine right. Well delivered this so strange You know we. We had one last story on the dock that you know this kind of translates well. Because the story is about movie goers in their eagerness to return to movie theaters I know I am so you know. I'm feeling so cooped up. I missing the movie theater and seeing movies in big screen with other people so much. Now Chris you're probably enjoying watching so much on TV but Bread Tell us like you know. Our people excited to get back in theaters. After this whole thing comes down or like will people be hesitant to go back to theaters? Yeah a new poll conducted by the analyst company Ideo asked Sixty eight hundred participants about their willingness to go back to theaters after all. This nonsense is done in theaters are back open for business. And seventy percent of them said that they were at the very least likely in general to head back to movie theaters and forty five percent of those were highly likely to get back in front of them Those forty five percent. Who were you know? Eager to get back. Twenty percent said they would hit movie theaters as soon as they were open. But the other twenty five percent said they'll probably wait a few days Meanwhile there is Some people who are a little bit more hesitant An the other forty five percent of the group said they would wait a few weeks before getting a ticket to a theater and then eleven percent said they would wait several months so they're being a little bit more cautious. I what are you what are you going to do. Bradley. You like when when this thing dies down to the point that they've reopened movie theaters. Like how long are you going to wait until you go to your multiplex? Well here's the thing like even if they were to open theaters in. Let's say you know July when Milan is back. Like how much is there going to be to see in theaters besides Milan? You know a lot of the big movies that were supposed to come out in May June and July have been pushed back. You Know Wonder Woman. Nineteen eighty-four got pushback ghostbusters. Afterlife isn't coming out until next year. You know the the minions prequel isn't coming out until next year now And you know like we talked about marble shifting all their stuff and everything so like they're really going to be anything good to see Anderson and We did they push back The only just push back fringe dispatched. October oh is it. Yeah that's what we that's that was part of the shift in the schedule. Because they were supposed to come out in July. I think July is where it's supposed to come out now right. I don't think so. Okay maybe I misspoke without that earlier in spend over. That's my phone. I'm sorry I said from. I thought it said that's the only one guy. Okay so we misspoke earlier and fresh. French dispatch is not in July and October. Six batch that there's not going to be anything really that I want to go out of my way to see. So unless they do the same thing that they were talking about doing in China where they have like repertory screenings of big movies try and reinvigorate people get them to go with some like lower ticket prices but movie that people want to see on the big screen again but yeah I mean so it really just depends on The state of things and also what movies are playing has a the Chris Nolan Film. Pushback AT THIS POINT. Not yet now. Heads MID-JULY RELEASE DATE? I mean I feel like I would have to go to the theater to see that. Well I mean if it's if it's open I would have to put a hazmat suit on and go to my local theater. No I mean. That's how Christopher Nolan would want it. Yes he would want you to die seeing in a theater through a piece of plastic directly for witness the I. Max and all the gory yeah and be laughing and join the movie underneath. They mask yes the way we need to see movies okay and be like the end of the mouth of manage. You'll be alone in a feeder cackling as it runs okay. I apologize earlier of like the new just broke while we were recording. This podcast. To some of the information was a little bit Not Correctly relaid but you can go. We'll put a link to the article. Onslaught DOT COM. That will be up by the time you hear. That's to see all the release dates and find out where the movies lie for now. I'm guessing that this isn't going to be permanent place for some of these movies. But we'll see I don't know this is a little scary because it seems like the summer has been canceled. Direly that that is so sad I was. I was hoping with all the social distancing that we were doing that like we were putting all this effort in and it. My hope was that we could save at least some of the Summer Peter. Summer movie season kicks off April Seventeenth with mice spy and Peter. There's always remember. New Mutants doesn't have a release date yet so they could really drop that in at any point Jen Kickstart. Summer movies right. Also Peter. Don't forget no matter win. These movies come on. Everything is still terrible Takes reminded me. Okay guys you can find more of all of our work slash on the comic funds. Podcast published on itunes. Google overcast spotify. All the popular podcast. Please feel free to your feedback. Questions comes concerns to us a Peter Marshall mecom in re this podcast knighthoods tell. Your friends spread the word. We'll see you on Monday.

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LA Times Presents: Larger Than Life

Inside Star Wars

08:01 min | 1 year ago

LA Times Presents: Larger Than Life

"The nineteen sixties the watts riots. Leave los angeles in chaos. Racial tensions were running high. One man found a way to ease those tensions a man. Nobody expected in larger than life l._a. Times reporter daniel miller takes you inside the life of big willie robinson the man that would do his best to bring his broken city together on a drag strip. This six foot six street racer preached peace to anyone who would listen and he actually made l._a. Safer safer lucasfilm even sent the original star wars characters willie's drag strip in nineteen seventy seven just as the movie exploded but willie's connection action to star wars did not end there in this preview from the fourth episode of larger than life. You'll hear about big willies star wars ties and some tantalizing claims related to a certain super villain who wears a black mask y you're listening go subscribe to larger than life on apple podcasts spotify or wherever you're listening right now you can also click the link in the episode notes. The most famous event brotherhood raceway involved of all things star wars in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven at the height of the film's popularity big willie robinson staged a special night of races on terminal island with help from lucasfilm the production shen company behind the space opera stormtroopers. Were there darth. Vader was there no other race track got a visit from the official star wars characters in detroit true huge crowd only restraint on the planet only being really because the people call. We have a track year in tennessee. We want star wars darth vader. This sorry well bigly hannam well. That's different story. I didn't tell george lucas lucas don't do that. Don't let nobody else. The star wars event is legendary among members of the brotherhood of street racers. I discussed it with uniroyal during his lunch. Break look at work. He's a teamster handles transportation for films and tv productions. We sat in a van featuring the logo the walt disney company which owns lucasfilm but fabian baby and wouldn't discuss the t._v. project he was working on no matter how uncanny coincidence it was. How weird is it that we're sitting in a disney owned van talking about darth vader and the brotherhood down at terminal island and working on this project. It's two. I don't know like it's meant to be. I showed fabian some photographs taken on the star wars race day in one darth vader poses with l._a. City councilman robert ferrell and mayor tom bradley both politicians are wearing brotherhood jackets. In another vader is striding down the drag strip beside toby williams the leader the cramps the deal with this day into the brotherhood big star wars nobody else had and it was like the biggest thing going going on and it was incredible. Willey said that he had befriended star wars producer gary kurtz years earlier when they both worked on nineteen seventy-one street racing movie they called two lane blacktop gary kirsten jack industries jacket gary curtis went and joined up with george lucas and francis ford coppola the godfather me and after finishing graffiti jars lucas and gary courage broke away from francis ford coppola and a stall kurtz was on the rise and when it came time to begin thinking about casting for star wars willey said that the producer remembered him it to george lucas weight is willie suggesting that he'd been in line for the role of the most infamous big screen villain of all time yeah and he told fabian it was only because of his friendship with kurds that sought all willey said kurds did for him. He said the star wars producer sent the characters to raceway. That's how i got the characters darth vader character stormtroopers purpose. I had to find out whether really starts casting claim was true. My reporting took some bizarre twists and turns and then a tragic one big willy had a surprising career in the entertainment industry. He worked as an actor rub shoulders with a listers and appeared in some iconic nineteen seventies films he even influence the fast and the furious movie franchise as i delve deeper i began to wonder why willie was doing was his time in show business mentor further brotherhood brotherhood's cards or did he create feng. This episode is devoted to big willies time in hollywood a chapter. That's essential to understanding the man he became. I'm daniel miller staff writer at the los angeles times and this is larger than life a documentary podcast about ellie street racer big willie robinson. I thought willey's claim about having been the first choice to play darth. Vader seemed farfetched until i started talking to people about it like the man who put on the sinister black mask to portray the super villain on that day brotherhood raceway in nineteen seventy seven lucasfilm sent me as darth vader batur down to this drag race. That's kermit eller. He worked for lucasfilm back in the late nineteen seventy s and early nineteen eighties making more than one thousand promotional appearances as darth vader. He said he knew kurtz was friendly with the street racers but vader going to the track didn't make much sense to him but had difficulty trying to figure out what the role all of darth vader street racing event. Is you know it does seems kinda outside of the character but you know one makes the best out of <hes> possibilities that one can do elliot was a drag racing novice and the scene at the track made a big impression on him. I thought it was loud <music> and noisy and and everybody had a lot of fun with it. It was pretty amazing. Huge amounts of smoke dan show and hoopla so there was a second star wars race in nineteen eighty after the empire strikes back came out bunny also who served as curtis assistant on two lane blacktop and the first two star wars movies said the events were a real coup for willie also admired has savviness because of the extraordinary guy he was because of his relationship with gary. Dan lewis film. He was the first person to use the star wars character to advertise his business early clever to know that that would be a draw that was willie always looking for an angle always finding a way you to promote the brotherhood and draw more people to racetrack. When it came time to stage the nineteen eighty event eller wasn't around on the vader suit and he doesn't know who did but there's a rumor that a real life bad guy stepped in a veteran brotherhood member this guy mike bowen told me that the co founder crips took on the role toki williams innovator under mask a year after the second star wars race. The gangster went on trial for the murders of four people he was convicted. Later executed amid great controversy. Fabian doesn't know what our williams later that day but he's intrigued by the possibility shelby actually crazy you know the head of the crypts and the darth vader suit well it would fit in footage of the nineteen eighty event big willie hams it up with the star wars characters even does some play acting darth vader warning the villain that he knows was confirmed and that he'd hate to use some of the skills of famous martial arts master bruce lee. The crowd loves it by then willie had been honing his chops for years.

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278: Chris Baker: Stadia, Lucasfilm Games, Oculus Rift S, Ape Out, Journey to a Savage Planet, Devil May Cry 5, Blaster Master Zero 2, Falcon Age, Asgard's Wrath

DLC

1:54:40 hr | 1 year ago

278: Chris Baker: Stadia, Lucasfilm Games, Oculus Rift S, Ape Out, Journey to a Savage Planet, Devil May Cry 5, Blaster Master Zero 2, Falcon Age, Asgard's Wrath

"There. It is based drops in you know, it's time to begin. And wherever you are whenever you are. And however you happen to listening. We're so glad you've chosen that you in two D L C. Specially if you're one of our Deeks in sneaks using this podcast power you through a workout or run. We're going to try to help you out motivate you keep you moving. Keep grooving with gaming goodness. Because D L C is your downloadable commentary for the week delivered the way we love it to be and that is completely free. Thanks to our sponsors this week third love and squarespace squarespace. They're bringing the show to see. Of course, the show all about games and their many forms games played on desktops, laptops, and consoles. Also games that involve dice luck and cardboard I'm your host Jeff cannot Avila. Two ends one t and I'm joined as always by my friend slash co host slash nemesis. The guy who's Madden. This is not just limited to March, Mr. Christian Spicer. Hello christian. Hello, jeff. Hello, everybody listening at home. And I wonder if anyone was listening to us today was the LA marathon right in L A today being Sunday when a recording. This wasn't always hurts my soul when I'm not participating for what seven years in a row I participated in now now that I'm father. I haven't participated in several years. It hurts my heart and allows and trying to make this about you altering if anyone listening to deal see while they were into the marathon. All that'd be cool. You have to listen to the DNC several times. I think you know, we've had some long episodes some fast people's marathon, PR's, two hours and ten minutes. I don't know what years so. Yeah. All right. I got thirty fourth in the Olympics that year. So why suspect this is going to be one of those ones that's bursting at the seams because home my goodness. What a week of news. We had GD see this week a particularly big impactful GD. See we've got games coming out. We've got just so much. Much to talk about. But the good news is we have an awesome guest to do with. You know, the DLC always stands for your downloadable, NADA and your downloadable Christian. But this week. I'm Ben I'm excited because DLC stands for development licensing and creative. Because we have a guy who has done it all in the video game biz including working on a ton of huge brands and games like Star Wars battlefront the force unleashed marvel alternate allies, mar versus captain, so many more. Now, he's got a new RPG coming very soon called oper- NC of the stolen son, our friend, Mr Chris Baker. Well, welcome Chris. What could show it is a pleasure to be here. I feel honored to have my own deal. See now, finally. Yes. Dated a lot of guests in the past for us. And we finally got you yourself on the show. So I'm super excited. I think David brevity like in twenty fifteen or something then you hosted like, our marvel heroes. Panel at comic con way back. Yeah. In milk irk? You had recently. He's my boss zen studios. I am Jeff will Chris and I were friends in real life back in the day. So take that and shove it. You were friends. So Chris remembers it better than I do because he was older than me. Chris super old Chris my older brother like good friends back in the day. And we jammed on the original NS together way back in kindergarten elementary school age for me. Yeah. That was that was like nineteen eighty eight. I want to say back when we still had this kind of newish thing called in any. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I I you know, I was in Christian's brothers. Cub scouts or we blows or whatever. It was the time. Yeah. And yeah, we I would think I went to your house twice, and I distinctly remember playing Zelda the first Zelda and bringing over the map that was in intendo power that like told you like where to bomb the walls and stuff like that. And like going through all that of good. And I remember questioning I watched ducktail there for the first time ever. I remember that. Chris uncle's worked for an intendo. So he told us I have the have your yearbook picture. I remember when he dug them up all of Chris anyone wants Chris old elementary school photos, but not mind just Chris's. Lemme know, yes, it was just the most random thing because you mentioned kingwood high school one time, and I almost went to kingwood high school, but I didn't. So that kinda got us there almost didn't. So I did. So so you guys kind of reconnected professionally in the video game world, and then and then sort of realized backwards that you had known each other kid, janitor, actually Jeff wanted said you had said because it was the parting shot or something the week. You had said no one cares about kingwood high school or something like that something I. I. Gotta give it, and I was like I kind of care, you know, amps I almost went there. So you know, and it kinda just went from there. We went to the same elementary school. He showed me my which I I haven't seen since nineteen eighty eight which is probably before the lifespan of significant portion of our listeners, but you know, that this and now you are working you have a new baby in the form of the stolen, son. Which is coming up very soon. Right. Comes us this Friday. We were so excited. Yeah. It's it's Oprah nausea, Jeff long as me. Yeah. You actually, it's funny. You said when you talk you were kind enough to say way back we announced in December that the game caught your eye. And you also said kind of weird title, which I'll concede it kinda is. But also kind of isn't 'cause the game which is a first person dungeon crawler kinda like wizardry or bar still games like that it takes place. It's very much inspired by central European mythology and folklore, and there are a lot of Hungarian folk tales that start out by saying beyond operan SIA, or you know, in the in the most don't think in Oprah. But we kept like seeing the word Oprah NC a pop up in. It's just kinda like this place that everybody agreed was far away in this tale was taking place even farther away than that. So we just kinda we needed a name for our land and was like that that seems to fit. So so that is why we called the game Oprah NC of the stolen son. Which is the subtitle refers to the actual plot of the game. Which is. That the sun is missing. And you have to find it. Yeah. And I you gave me an early code for the game. And I don't I my allowed to talk about it at all. If you like it. I do I do. It's very much my jam as I said, I commented on the show about when you know, the announcement trailer before I even knew you were involved in it, and and it had caught my eye just then because it's very much like you said wizardry bard's tale ultimate underworld, those kinds of classic first person party based roleplaying games, which I grew up with and love and have a very spot in my heart turn based combat. I love in all its forms. And this is very much a modern take on that and looks beautiful and unreal engine. And so it's like if somebody made one of those old games now, which is pretty great. And I'm I'm I'm not very far into it yet. But I am definitely really really digging it scratches all the right inches. Really cool. I mean, like the first level you get into a sunken castle a castle that's underwater, but the waters on the ceiling. I mean, cool ideas. Yeah. And I learn. Her based combat and stuff like that. So it's integrate most of those are based on actual like folk tales or legends that that kinda come from Hungary Romania that that area of the world, which you know, zen studios is based in Hungary. So, you know, it it made a lot of sense. Like, most of our developers kinda grew up with these stories, and they never really been represented games before you kinda get that with the Witcher, but it's a little different too. It's a little farther north. So it's it's a it's a very unique setting yet. It also feels familiar which I think is a nice combination. There. Yeah. Well, I'll definitely be talking more about it. As I play more Oprah the stolen sun comes out, March twenty ninth. I'm playing it on PC does support ultra-wide which has very beautifully. So I will say I like that. I I'm jealous. Yeah. You should be very confident. It looks great and ultra writing really does. Awesome in Elsa coming out on XBox, PlayStation. Right. Oh, it is. It is XBox exclusive on consoles that includes XBox game pass day one. So if you have game pass your sex and on PC, it's actually exclusive to the EPA game store. So yeah, we kinda oh a windows. Ten the windows ten stores. Well, but yeah. So that that's where you can get it starting Friday. And if you are at Pax, I will be there myself at the XBox booth, and we have station there. And I will be showing off the game. You can play it. Please say hi say you hurt me on deal. See that'd be awesome. And yeah, I can't wait to check out that show. I've never been. Yeah. Well, I hope that our listeners give you a warm welcome. She'll enjoy it. And it is it's a game. Everybody listening should really check out. It's it's super cool when you see Chris packs sake, you kingwood high school and then code for king high school. Alright let us start the show officially we always do with story of the week story gets the story on the wing me install Regan week. We started the week is the part of the show where we make our case for the most important stories that happened in world of games this week. You can always submit stories for our consideration by sending us an Email to deal. See feedback Djamil dot com or by visiting our sub Reddit that's five by five dot Reddit dot com. Oh, my goodness stories this week. We have we have started the week. We may have stories of the generation. This also stories are dropping as you're listening to this like apples. Gotta thing. Sony's got a thing going on right now. It's nonstop stories. It's crazy. So no doubt. We'll have things that we're missing. But there's a lot to dive into and Chris your guests who get first pick. I'm curious. I know you have some some stories that are close to your heart. What would you consider to be your story of the week? You know, there's definitely bigger stories than what I'm going to talk about. But my story of the week is basically the non story of the week, which is that Lucas arts is rising from its grave. Straightness? Yes. Yeah. This one is very close to me. I worked at Lucas arts for three years and I worked in Marvel's licensing division for seven years. So basically for those who don't know there was a story that went out. I don't know where it originated, but it spread like wildfire amongst the name was up Lincoln postings outright. Interesting people extrapolated from that they saw a postings from from Lucas arts game which had been Jarrett, FOX. Yeah. Yeah. And his just goups you guys don't ever trust it. I just post things all the time like on real engine five development on switch. You know? It's just goose. It's all just goofs. Yeah. Well, you know, these weren't scoops. They were actually people hire being hired for Lucas arts games piss positions, like producer assistant producer brand marketing coordinator, brand art coordinator, people thought what's happening is this like an official resurrection of Lucas arts gay. Games. Chris take it from there. Yeah. Well, yeah. First of all the word Lucas arts is not involved in this at all that should be clear. A Lucasfilm games is what it says excuse me. Yes. And and yeah. So you know, I I was busy GD see the day that hit in. So I didn't even get to really check it out till the end of day. I saw like, you know, shekel Twitter in even get like some direct messages. Even someone mentioned to me during the day. Hey, I hear Lucas arts. Come back what he's saying? And it's like it is okay. I literally just talked to a friend of mine I used to work with Lucas ours who'd been rehired at Lucasfilm games. But yeah, the the reason it's it's like a non story is that they aren't like resurrecting Lucas arts was they're hiring up for, you know, their positions that they have at Lucasfilm games to basically review material, and and all that sort of stuff like, you know, we have Star Wars pinball at since studios right now. Now, you know, and we've had like nineteen tables come out so far it goes through Lucasfilm games. And you know, they tell us. Hey, this is cool or or could you change this or you know, that kind of thing to make sure everything's on brand to their liking, which is pretty much. Exactly what I did. When I worked at marvel for seven years. It is not like a core development at like like Lucas arts was in the you know, the force unleashed days and even going further back to monkey island and whatnot. It is basically just the division that that make sure everything is cool in on brand. And and making sure the things are Star Wars e as they can possibly be they fit with their new carton nudity and stuff like that. It's a very important job than you know. I think a lot of people just don't understand that that exists at licensors. You know, marvel it has a huge division for that. Right now. DC has it. You know, like everybody who has like licensed gains has this particular division. And you know, they they don't just like sit there and twiddle their thumbs. They they do a lot of work to make sure everything is as on brand is a candy and that they they wanna make the games as they possibly can in their own rights in their own perspectives. So I I I think just there's just so much misunderstanding out there as as to what the role of licensor was is amongst even like, very industry people. Out there. Yeah. I mean, you could tell it just in my attempt to make this less confusing. I was confused in even calling it Lucas arts instead of Lucasfilm games. And I think people saw Lucas and just kind of Sumed. It was the the games, you know, like you said like the monkey islands of the world. And the old star was games. All they're bringing it back. It's all happening. And that's not what's happening. That's not the case. But it is. I think you've shed some interesting right on what that chopper Lee is. But what does it mean though? Like, I I'm excited as a fan of Lucas properties that they appear to be hiring a lot of people now because that probably means a lot of things are happening that we don't know about yet. You know? I don't really have any inside information there, which I did. But yeah, I think that means there's a bright future for anything. Lucas whether be Star Wars, Indiana Jones, whatever, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess if you need people to review the IP's being used then that means people are using the IP's. So that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Awesome. All right. So Christian Spicer. What is your story of the week stadia? The you're playing on your state. Yeah. It's. I think that's the official song the wrong. I mean, I'm not allowed to say it is yet. Once they hear it Google announced by streaming future which tonight behind this curtain stuff. I have some tech issues going on there trying to record this. I don't know. What's wrong, still don't electron? So that makes me a little scared of my streaming future. There's no cartridge for me to blow on you know, in my spirit. Perfect the perfect night to have everything meltdown. Young. Like, it doesn't matter. It'll be on the cloud. Yeah. That doesn't work you need more storage. I have a terabyte of storage avail. Well, anyway, I don't to distract from Google GDP took the wraps off of what they are. Now calling stadium. They're much rumored streaming service project stream was their beta of it, and they say five seconds to playing a high end game by clicking on a link via YouTube, but something that we had hypothesized on this show like how they would vertically integrate into their other things they announced four K HD. Are they announced ideas of being able to just jump in and play with somebody like you're just playing mortal Kombat eleven you quarter up, you know, take him on next or jump in and play NBA two K nineteen or whatever instant seeing. You're stuck on a puzzle. They showed tomb raider in goot using Google assistant to pull up a YouTube. Video that will then show you how to solve that puzzle. All with low latency, they talked about how they have hubs everywhere, which I'll be honest, if you haven't watched the their presentation the first five minutes of it to me felt like they were threatening us. It was like we are everywhere. We know everything. But they and then they've kind of admitted that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This isn't internet is a problem for some people. But I think they use the, you know, tied right raising all boats kind of thing like we're gonna make this thing. And we're going to get everything up to speed five. Jeez. Going to help a lot when that comes around for wireless internet, and they're all in without announcing pricing or how they pay devs, but they are all in on the streaming future. They demo d- from a computer to a phone to a tablet to a TV. No hardware for the TV except for like a chrome cast on if you need one it picked up right where he left off each time as he moved over this showed their controller that looks like a lot like the patent application controller, but. Minds the cool Google colors. I mean, Jeff, I I'm day one on this thing this this. They told me everything I wanted to hear well, they didn't tell you everything you wanted to hear because you have no idea who you're paying or how you're paying. So you can't really say your day one because you have no idea who to send your money to. I mean, I'm day one. Okay. So there's so much to dig into here. And there's many many tendrils that we need to follow up on. But in Christians, a great job of overview, here's how I would go get into it. This is a console kind of right? This is a form. Okay. Right. It is. It is a cloud based platform that developers can develop games to they know the specs the specs are quite impressive. In fact, they're talking about a ten point seven GP teraflops, which is the Xbox One. X has six PS four pro has four point two. So it's more than those combined. So this is a very powerful graphics machine on paper. We don't really know what that is going to result in, but it's very powerful on paper machine that developers develop games for its Lynn spaced, which has been problematic for steam machines and having the steam less, but one would assume that Google is flexing a little stronger than perhaps valid in that regard. So okay. So I don't wanna get hung up on that. But the difference. Is there is that a St. machine needs to run games natively off of it? So the game needs to be able to run and Lennox. Whereas this is the cloud computing thing doesn't need to run a game on your machine. So nobody needs to run game on their machine. Karez the decant just take a game the shelf and play it on this on stadium. Right. It has to be converted. And evidently, they were giving talks at GD see about how easy that conversion process is an I'm sure Google is going to have a lot of help for developers to convert their games two stadia. But it is not it is not a PC running a PC version of the game. It is a new version made for this platform. Yes. That is being run in the cloud, and then sent down to you. So that to me is is very interesting because it means that games have to be created for. They also announced a whole first party push that they're gonna have headed up by Jade, Raymond, which is pretty exciting. They didn't announce any specific titles. But there will be exclusives. Two stadia. And you can I would imagine it will be quite a few games on stadia at launch. We don't know how many or which although one can assume Sesa screwed odyssey will be one of the, but they games have to be made for this thing. Okay. And then it is sent to you the frames of the game are sent to you just like the frames sent you. When you're watching Netflix or Amazon prime video and. So innocence. This really is what you're talking about Christian the net. Flicks. If occasion of games something you've been crowing about for multiple years now being very excited about I've been more skeptical of I do believe this is a true inflection point in gaming. We are witnessing a true inflection point. The Netflix occasion of games has kind of split to two things. One is the subscription service pay this get this huge breadth of content. Then that they haven't announced that that's a stadium is or not this is the streaming side of net flicks. Where you know, you're renting a movie on I tunes, right? Like, you're paying money for thing. And then they're streaming to never storing it locally anywhere, and it worked really well for project stream, they also talked about the types of things at this adds, the where if you are streaming while playing you might be getting a ten eighty p stream, but you'll be able to stream out, you know, to your YouTube. Let's play channel at four k sixty frames per second. Though there dedica-. Different. Streams will annoyed automatically backs it up to you to for you at four K A automatically. You don't even have to throw. It just does it, and they talked about how having different people the types of different multi-player experiences that this could technically allow because while about a royale now is limited to one hundred people because of servers and processed like this could be like thousands of people or people doing totally different things because they're running. I'm gonna get my technical jargon wrong of different instances of the same game. All talking to each other in this Google cloud. So someone else's controlling the bug while you're the person boots on the ground. And I mean, Chris did this, you know, the menu were there did this set GD on fire on Joe. But yes, it's what everybody was talking about. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Of course, you know. I couldn't actually watch anything until basically GDP was all over. So, you know. Secondhand from everyone who attended or you know, just like reading headlines and stuff. But yeah, I it absolutely said GD see on fire. It had probably the biggest booth there. I didn't get a ton of time to check it out. But it was very very active booth. Yeah. It's it's incredibly exciting. Yeah. And I think I think we are witnessing a IMO -ment. And it's. As I said, I've been skeptical before the biggest I was very persuaded playing the project stream demo in seeing assassin's creed run on my very crappy Chromebook well at ten eighty p. But then I said, I, you know, I I don't wanna run games at ten eighty p uninterested in ten eighty p anymore, and the fact that they are announcing four K sixty frames per second with HD our support with Dolby surround and with plans to eventually support eight K at up to one hundred twenty frames per second and HDR it's that's very persuasive to me and all of the other things that you get with this Christian. You were talking about some of them on the on the game side of what would games are able to do. But I think the convenience the ease of use jumping from one game to another seeing something somebody plays something on YouTube, and then just clicking one link and being able to launch into that. Game all of that is going to be a huge paradigm shift. And I tweeted this during GDP, but I'm convinced that you know, I'm gonna tell my kids that we used to have to connect a box to our television with wires in order to play video games. And they're gonna think that sounds so goofy and old fashioned. Because I do think this is the future. I think this is where it's all heading. I don't think that traditional media is going to go away immediately. But I was shocked at how much negativity I was seeing in my Twitter feed my Twitter mentions about this house skeptical people were about it. I have seen it in action. I am very impressed with it. And I also talk about some of the the technical testing that's gone on. Maybe people aren't aware of. So euro gamer did some tests they were allowed to do some tests. First of all Google saying that the minimum requirement is a fifteen megabit per second down. Connection which is very attainable for most people in this country. Some I'm sure aren't in are upset, but I think fifty megabits per second down is not a crazy ask five G solves that for everybody. If in when it will fright that, but that's a magical fairy. Sure. But I mean right now to yes, I think to me inside interrupted data caps. I think is going to be the biggest hurdles hits. But yes, there are other that with Netflix. I don't understand why that's a bigger deal for this than it would be for net flex or for downloading a game. I mean, if you're not having to download forty five to sixty gigabytes to play a game. I mean, it's just I don't know. I understand that. I don't deal with data caps. So maybe I'm a little insensitive to that particular thing. I totally understand that would be a frustration for people. But I mean that points more to how much people hate their ISP's, totally. As a valid take in America and around the world. But euro gamer did some tests and found that everybody's worried about lag latency, and they would found that the new version of of stadia that is this post. The project stream launch project stream was getting like a hundred seventy nine millisecond of late NC from button to pixel. The new version has reduced that to audit sixty six milliseconds for stadia. What would you that's including display lag? Right. So including display lag. What would you guess the latency is on the Xbox One? X? Ninety which way the numbers go, but like not far off from there. It's one hundred sixty six. Exactly the same. Well for for a game running locally on your Xbox One x including display lag. It's exactly the same with Google stadia. That's extraordinarily. And this is you know, these are these are tests the first wave of tests, right? And they were allowed to go into Google do these tests. But if you read the article on your game or which encourage you to do it's pretty persuasive in pretty amazing. I mean, they're not using a crazy connection. They're not using crazy hardware. They're using off the shelf kinda crappy stuff they were using a Chromebook or skiing pixel book. So. I understand. Everybody's worry about latency. I was very skeptical about a streaming solution ever really working. I think this is the future. And I think it's going to really change the playing field. In a in a in a real significant way the other thing, that's so interesting to me the thing I did not see coming. We talked last week the week before about the the controller that is really the only hardware piece that Google is announcing. And it turns out that mockup was actually pretty darn accurate for what the Google stadia controller is going to look like, but the part that I did not anticipate finding out is that this controller doesn't connect a can they support USB controllers plug into whatever you're using. So you can use any old USB controller, including dul shocks XBox controllers at cetera. But the actual Google stadia. Controller doesn't connect to anything locally any piece of hardware that you're using locally. It doesn't connect your Chromebook doesn't connect your chrome. Cast doesn't take anything in your house. Other than your wifi connection, and it uses that WI fi connection to connect directly to their servers. So it is a unique. Instance of talking to their servers directly, which means that controller you can change. What device you're playing a game on and that controller just goes with you because it doesn't care what device you're on its connected directly to the Google servers. It's naked directly stadia, which reduces lag even further because it's not going through a middleman it's talking directly to them to the servers the games are being played on. And it means that they will never you you. I suspect we will get to the point where. You need nothing in order to play video games you need nothing. You TV's? Now have the Netflix app in them. So that you don't even need any kind of other thing to plug into plate to use net. Flicks. That's how it's going to be with video games with triple a video games because the controller doesn't have to connect to boxer of any middleman. It will connect into their server, so you can just pull out the controller and anything that can display a web page will be able to display a triple a video game for you. That I think is is Hugh or any Google cardboard VR set will be able to have the best graphics VR capability. Right. Like it. If I realized on buying into this listeners that are skeptics. Yes. I understand your skepticism. But if we're believing everything we've been told in red from Google parties that have tested this stuff. I mean, it wouldn't be Google cardboard per se, but all you need is a headset that somehow generates a little bit better tracking of what you're doing. And you're need to have a big hunky, computer. That's running these graphics. Do all the stuff. It's just the display unit. And it's like, we're wires, totally disappear. Is what this technology Xboxes version of two which have been less open about to this point. But also coming out this year, they say what it does in terms of getting rid of wires and cables, it's it's a huge Titanic shift for the video game industry. And I don't even know if I'm willing to. Oh with you on the I understand everybody's skepticism. I understand the skepticism that says Google, abandoned stuff. I get I got a lot of pushback that on that from people in my mentions over the week, the Google abandons technologies. I get that. But I don't think Google is going to be the only player here. We already saw Phil Spencer had a a tweet. I guess this week saying that Microsoft is going to you know. You know, heart. They were heartened by what this g c because they're gonna go big he three in. It's basically the same thing. So we're gonna see a lot of company. I think a lot of company. This is the next five to ten years of video games is everybody wants to be the Netflix video games in who's going to get there. First. And how's it gonna play? So you know, I I understand the skepticism of Google abandoning tech in abandoning products willy nilly, but I don't think they're going to be the only player here. And I I don't think they're tech is going to be I have a feeling that this is going to last a little longer because they have these partnerships. They've got a really good team. Phil harrison. And then but other than that like, I kind of don't having seen it in action. I'm impressed and other than I guess data caps. I don't understand the skepticism everything thinks it's gonna be you know, unplayable. Or it's all fake, whatever curse curious to know. Your thoughts on it. But some of the other scepticisms revolve involve revolve around game ownership like games, disappearing the way Netflix shows disappear monetization. How game companies are paid out? How users are expected to pay again, Google track record with both of that stuff has been a little sketchy. How much data tracking is going to be done on this. How invasive is this device going of data tracking? You don't own anything. Now, what was the other one? I do think those are valid to hand wipe them away. But Chris, I'm so curious from a developer side, we haven't even talked about the monetization because they. Right. Is that something you're nervous about? I would say I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I I would like to think that they are going to be looking out for the developers. And and you know, keeping in mind that we need to make these games in we need to to make money to make more games. So I'm cautiously optimistic about that. Sure. You know, we don't know until we know, but yeah, I until I have a reason not to be optimistic about it. I'm going to think it's going to be for the best robbery body. Well, let's let's do some brazen speculation because it seems to me that we don't we don't have any information about how they're going to charge for this thing. But it seems to me there are two maybe I'm forgetting something guys can correct me. But two main ways that you could imagine this would go one is the pure net flicks model, which says you pay a monthly subscription. Shen fee, and you get everything on the service. Right. That's what XBox game pass is doing right now. That's what the video services do that. Spotify. Basically turns video games into Spotify which is notoriously bad for the artists. Righted pennies for song plays the mount of money that artists used to make in the nineties and early two thousands of people would go out and pay seventeen dollars for CD. They just don't make any more because people just play it on Spotify in they get fifteen cents for, you know, fifteen thousand plays or whatever. So I can understand that being a scary thing for developers the, but but also very very attractive from an N views stamp way because you pay a low monthly fee, and you get a whole bunch of games. That's pretty cool. Then the other way that I can imagine would be an all cart menu. Where you like you do now on steam or whatever service you want you go on and you pick the game, and you pay sixty dollars or twenty dollars or whatever the price point is. And you have that game. And you play that game. I think that one feels like it gets in the way of their five seconds between clicking the link and playing the game unless you have a credit card saved the stadium. They just charge it instantly in you go, but it does feel a little less like the dream that they're expressing which is you know, you see something you're curious about it in five seconds later. You're playing it. I'm curious Chris from your perspective, which of those seems smarter. And or if you think there's a third road that I'm not. Yeah. You know, I I don't see why they couldn't maybe offer both is as possibilities. But I think the the former is the more likely or maybe even maybe there's a way something they're thinking of that. We're not, you know, I think like a lot of us were not anti fading. What would be said at this particular event, and we're taking by surprise. So what's to say that there's some other model that you know, we just haven't thought of yet. Yeah. That's true. That's you know, I heard an tickets with a grain of salt. But I heard that Google didn't announce it because they haven't decided yet. But I he let me lay out this philosophy this this tell me if this makes any sense for the future. Okay. What if it really is like Netflix like? Right now what happens is a developer develops a game. They have a certain amount of money that they they need to to to spend to make that game, which is usually a lot. But they find that money. They make the game. They put it out certain price point to make back the money that they put into it. And and additional profit over time, and they can adjust their price based on demand and try to you know, make as much money as they possibly can over the lifetime of their game. But what if Google and Microsoft and the other players in this field in this new paradigm of the net. Flicks of occasion of video games really behave like net flicks or Amazon do or even a TV studio or movie studio, and what they say is we will give you X million dollars to make a game. Mm for our service and everybody is hired to make that thing. Knowing how much they are going to make over the course of it just like a producer and a director and actors and make up people and key grips in all the people who go into making a TV show, or a movie know how much they're gonna make based on the job. They just accept it. And they make that much and that job is over and they leave and that thing that they were paid to make is put out on that flicks. And net uses it to monetize add value to their service that they make money on. But it's not a product that the developers then try to maximize maximize profits on by changing the value of its etcetera etcetera. It is literally just a studio system where Google funds all of the development of games on their system. And then has that invaluable on their system? I'm in. Does that is that crazy is that something that developers would want? I think it's entirely possible. Yeah. I think that's an entirely possible thing, you know, it could be just a flat. You know, give us the amount of money will make the game for you or could be royalties on top of that. Perhaps. Yeah. I do think that could happen. You know, I would question like, you know, is basically console exclusivity at that point. Like, for example, if if there were something like this for Microsoft or Amazon or whoever would that game you're talking about with that just defectively be another way of saying, you know, God of war is only on PlayStation bore. You know like that. But the way I see it is if God of war, or, you know, red redemption to or whatever it is sells forty five million copies. The people who make that game. Make a tremendous amount of money, right? But forty five million people watched bird box, and the people who made bird box got the money that they got to make bird box. Right. As far as I know a lot of games to in game studios might have a royalty payouts. People who worked on it. But my understanding having not developed a game, but Montana his fewer hired to be environmental background artist for a game. Just because it sells forty five million copies. You're not all of a sudden making two hundred million dollars. You probably got an onus. But you know, but you're the developer the developer that sold that game would make more money right sorta studio that makes more money for a movie. But not a studio that made bird box. I don't know. Yeah. I think it really depends on deals in. You know, it could either way. Really, right. I mean, I could I could be completely wrong about how Netflix works. I don't think I am. But I could be welcome been corrected for people that know more than I. But my my understanding is it doesn't matter. How many views you get on Netflix? You got what you got to make the thing in. And that's that's just the deal that you make with Netflix because it's not like selling a ticket to a movie screening. You know, if you put a movie out in the movie theater, you can make more money based on how many people go see the movie, but if you put a movie on Netflix, you make sure there's incentives built into the Netflix contract. But it's not the same as you know, butts in seats. Anyway, I just think that that's one viable way that this whole industry could be up ended by this kind of thing in the same way that the movie industry has been up ended by Netflix, really has you know. You see that in Steven Spielberg's, saying Netflix movies shouldn't be nominated for Oscars. It's it we're in a paradigm shift. That's uncomfortable for the movie industry and was sort of in the mid stage of that. And this is the first stage. This is really is the inflection point for it to happen in the video game industry. And I think it's fascinating. I I don't know how it's gonna play out. Exactly. But I think it's fascinating. And I think they can have multiple cakes here in multiple scenarios where it's like making up your ELS, but like stadia dot com. And it shows you let's say do a subscription service that shows you the games and the level that you're subscribed to so I get a bunch of great Indies and Ubisoft games. And then if I pay the ad HBO. You know that I'm going to get activision games and also going to get EA games. And if I go all in, you know, and you won't necessarily be being advertised or yes, you can go to YouTube and watch the stream of any game. But they'll be some HUD that it's like this is as the all in. Interior. This is at this to your or you know, there's I think I envision a world where it won't be too long until there's a subscription service. And then they also allow publishers to put games on for an Allah carte purchase. And I don't think that goes against Google's five seconds to play thing as long as they have some games where you can do that. And the fact that need to enter a credit card to buy a game. If you don't want to keep it stored on there. I don't think that's like. Calling be asked to their advertise thing. It's like, no, no have checks. Don't just let kids by things on their parents YouTube account as you can get five seconds into play. You know, have that thing would enter the credit card number before you go that's still pretty magical. Chris let me ask you this. Because you've been around a long time. Like, we have do you have any paying 's of worry about a loss of ownership of physical things. The inability to put an old any s cartridge into an old piece of hardware and just have at work. Are you worried about things becoming a federal? Yeah, you're talking about the the skepticism. I don't really have any skepticism about this being a great thing. But I know I'm going to miss like the console cycle. You know, like, it's it's exciting. When a new system drops, you know in just the the hike leading up to it. And watching the press conferences about what it's gonna be, you know, buying it as soon as you possibly can waiting in line back in the old days. I waited overnight for PS two. You know, that's that's all exciting. But you know, it's. It's objectively easier and probably better to the able to just call the stuff up. You know? So I I don't think the consoles are gonna go way for quite some time. But you know. I kept a one thing this really kinda jogged my memory on was like twelve years ago or so real talking about there was like the one console future was like a big talk. The talk appointed Diack baby. Yeah. Yeah. And and I feel like this is maybe a little bit different than what they were thinking, but still kind of the same idea. Right. And you know, if that happens, this is obviously the gonna big step toward that for sure. Yeah. And it's going to be a shame to see what their first party offerings are they're working with a system that is as powerful as it sounds on paper. One would imagine that it could really be impressive looking. I mean, I the games. I I mean, the exclusive to this platform could really be significantly more impressive looking. And you know, we're all gonna I think it's going to happen. Very very soon. Here they say it's this year that this thing is rolling out. So we'll all be able to try it in. There's no barrier to entry. There's no no buried what you have right now works with stadia everything every every person listening to this as the ability to use it, which that's a huge just the democratization of giving. Your wife is good. I mean, even if your WI fi, isn't that good? It sounds like it could probably be fine. That's that's everybody on Twitter that was coming at me and being very angry that I was about this was talking about how you know bad their internet is, and I I feel for that. But like nobody says that about Netflix always worried about their net flicks. Right. You the same thing. I think they just expect games to be more demanding because it sending and receiving and not just receiving it's constantly talking whereas net flicks can kind of buffer down using layman's term, but buffer down one instance 'cause that movies always gonna be that movie. No matter how many times you watch it on Obanj snatch and things change that a teensy bit. But game, isn't that? Right. A game as a million different ways at a million different times. And so it's constantly talking back and forth in the way that Netflix, Amazon prime video isn't. So I think that's where. But I think this will be like VR it's when people are able to go hands on with. It and hopefully the cost to the cost of entry's very low, especially sell this to people, right? Maybe it launches whatever their pricing model is with assassin's. Creed is free. Go we believe in this. Go play this game. You can see that it works for you have fun. And then and then they get you. Right. Like a good drug dealer does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that the the idea of it being a two way street in having information sent from you to them is a pretty trivial data point. I think that the amount of data that represents is pretty small. But yeah, I mean, I I'm pretty confident having seen the tech action that they're gonna be able to pull this off. And. I don't know, man. I was I was a hold out as as listeners to the show. I was very much. I want my pixels rendered locally. I wanna have my my machine do it. But I I really think this is going to change games forever. And I really think the next five ten years of games is going to be all about this stuff. So it was a huge moment. It's an it's not often that you can think, you know, this is maybe the most important video game announcement in the decade or more is it's it's that huge. And they're not gonna be the only ones doing it. Microsoft is gonna have as very similar announcement. He three I think and we're going to see more companies jumping in. I'd I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon has a solution that similar and and other players that you wouldn't necessarily even think of as video game companies would wanna do this because everybody wants that Netflix money. And and I think that competition and that use of. Use in the the desire to make games accessible and truly democratize where platform NAS tick it doesn't care about. What device you're using? It on is is a win. It's a win for gamers. So. All right. We talked about that a lot I need to. Thank our sponsor third love. And I'm so excited to be sponsored by third love. I I don't think I'm as excited as my wife is that we are sponsored by third love because she didn't know about third love before we started getting sponsored by third love. And now, she is she is she can't stop talking about it. She was like, oh my God. Jeff. I love the bras at third love our mazing Thurlow makes bras. 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Aaniversary collections are being announced Nintendo had their night twenty nineteen Indies showcase without a ton of really exciting games. They're allowing one what I said, I'm playing one while we'll talk about that. They're allowing the the crypt crypt of the oh dancer team to have the keys to the castle the high rule capsule and make a game set in Zelda universe. That's pretty crazy Cup. Head is coming to switch. Lots of great stuff. But I gotta talk about VR, and I'm gonna talk a lot more about VR VR segment this week. I got ton of hands on VR stuff or face on with our stuff edgy D C. But the big news from GTC is that the Oculus rift s was announced which is an upgrade to the Oculus rift it improves in some subtle, but very significant ways this is a four hundred dollar device that will be coming out in spring. So very soon. It changes the display it ups, the the pixel density it reduce as new lenses that will reduce the God raise which a lot of people complain about with a rift. I have to are quite distracting when you see very bright color against a black background like like white text on a black background. It'll have this kind of distracting lighting. Effect that looks like, you know, light coming through clouds sunlight coming through clouds where it's like a stream of light that has been eliminated with these new lenses, which is pretty cool. It has inside out tracking. So, you know, longer need to have the external sensors that the rift required. So you'll be able to have full three sixty degree tracking just using the built in cameras on the headset. Which is pretty cool. It goes from requiring a multiple USB ports to requiring a single USB port in a single display port. So that's convenient thing as redesigned touch controllers and a whole bunch of new games coming out. And this is Owen, and I would say even most importantly, they redesigned how it sits on your head. And they teamed with Lenovo who helped design the PS VR halo ring sort of headband ring, the PS VR uses which I think is the most comfortable headset on the market, and they're basically using the same tech. So it is a much more comfortable headset. This is going to be coming out alongside their quest. Which is the fully standalone does not need to be tethered at all. And those are both kind of coming out around the same time. Chris what do you think about this is? I mean VR's is not as exciting not his talked about a tech as as was at launch people. I think have lost some interest. But is this enough to rekindle any interest or what what do you make of it? I think it sounds awesome. Any like advancement in this particular tech is something I'm certainly interested in personally, I've got about thirty to forty PlayStation VR games. I still haven't still haven't touched that high need to. So I'm probably gonna personally wait a bit. But you know, I I'm certainly excited that this particular technology is advancing. And I I love VR for whenever I do play. It. It's it's it's it's amazing. Yeah. I had a chance to try. These Christian me get your take before I tell you what my face on impressions were. But what do you think what what's your take on s it feels like an s you know, the way apple does their iphones. Right. Like, it's better. But not blowing you away with the old Magnavox tape commercials with guys like sitting in the chair getting his the wind blown through his face. I it feels like that style. Upgrade I think for me in seeing tease. This said this. We're talking about Sadia seeing those possibilities in something. Like the quest that is wires free. Like, I want a quest. That doesn't sacrifice on the games. It can play I know being very, greedy. But to me, that's when VR really gonna take off in shines when I can put on a headset anywhere. I love that. The has inside tracking. I don't eat sensor set up need to drill things into your wall. You know to get that three sixty coverage love all the improvements at it's making for me. Personally. It's. Not doing enough to make me want to buy it and upgraded especially since it. They said that my current rift will play all of the games, right? It's not a generational leap between the two in terms of the experiences. I can play. But it looks like it's a great quality of life improvement that if this had launched at the same time, you know, as the other one clearly this is the better version, even with the led screen difference, or whatever like everything about the S seems better to me. It's just not enough to make me pony up cash at this point. Well, it they wouldn't ever say that the old rift games wouldn't be able to work on this new rift because it's basically a computer monitor. Right. It's display. So it's not like we came out with new monitors. And none of the games that played on your old monitor war on this new monitor. It's as nothing to do with that just a display the reason that quest games. Don't, you know, don't play rift games is because it's not. Just a display it's a full computer that you wear on your face, and it's not tethered to your PC. So that makes sense, but it is an improvement in a in a better display. I am torn right. I was very excited about quest. I had finally had a chance to try it at GD see, and I played one of my favorite games beat saver got very very sweaty in their press. I was very barest. I'm sorry. Does it just how I play beat saver? I'm really sorry. You guys have a towel. But I was very impressed with the quest. It is. It's it's pretty cool that it does what it does having to touch a computer. You know, you just put it on your innocent. As you go. I don't think I'm gonna get one. I think I am going to get the s because. I want to be able to play all the best stuff, and I can with my rift currently, but the s isn't improvement and the biggest improvement in the as having tried. It myself also is the comfort it's a quantum leap. Quantum is a small thing. It's a massive improvement in in comfort. It is. It is you noticed it immediately. It's something you can wear for long periods of time. It the weight isn't distributed on your nose. It's it's how the PlayStation VR is. And I love that. If feels so good the display itself. It's interesting. I went right from the s to the quest. So I noticed the step down having putting the s on first. When I had done any other headsets that day. I was like I don't. Don't see a huge bump up from the rift. But then I step down to the questions. Like, oh, this must be how the rift is definitely see much more pronounced screen door than the s had. So it does have an improvement there. I didn't notice as much as I noticed the improvement in the vibe pro which I think really eliminates the screen door, and it it's great not having the cameras. That's fantastic. I'm super disappointed the s doesn't seem to support the virtual link, which is on all the new video cards supposed to be. It's a port specifically for VR, and this new VR headset doesn't support it. Although they hinted at some sort of dafter, which would be nice. You don't have to worry about a USB port being free in a display port being free. But it's it's nice, man. The SS nice for four hundred bucks. And the the rift rift is three fifty. It's it's significantly more comfortable significantly easier to put on take off and. Where for long periods of time. And it looks great. Whereas the quest, you know, it's still has those velcro straps on the side, which I never liked the quest has a higher pixel density. I don't think that's true. I could be wrong. But I don't think the Nigerian article right now that talks about it says that the quest is fourteen forty by sixteen hundred and the rift as is twelve eighty by fourteen forty. Yeah. I wonder if it's just a graphical power is the difference that you're noticing between the two headsets. I I don't know. Maybe it's possible, it it certainly plays games that are much more simplistic looking which is by necessity rights playing is using what is basically a mobile graphics chip as opposed to, you know, a big beefy card from your PC and the games are very good. But but I played a bunch of new games coming out like as guards wrath and. Storm land, and neither of those is going to be available for quest. Right. Because they're pushing the limits, you know, low neck, oh, two is not going to be available for quest. And I think the mandate from Oculus studios going forward is that you design for quest and then bump up for rift. So that it will work on quest. And then you have like graphics options that kick in to make it more sophisticated on on rift. But and that's a bit of a bummer, but that's going forward. Right. That's not the games that are on the horizon. Now, that's games that are just starting to be developed. So. You know, I love the freedom of no wires. But I don't and I can imagine myself like bringing out to the living room to play some beat sabre or a friend comes over. And they don't have to come into my office to get wired into the headset. If they want to try it out, I can just like pull it out of my backpack somewhere and try it. That's all cool. But I I don't wanna give up on some of the premium experiences. So I'm torn it's tough because of the same price. This isn't like the easy thing. Right. Where it's like, oh, this is the the step down. This is this one. It's like, they're I think they're both compelling for very different reasons. But it's hard to justify for me both. And I and I think it's I don't know if one makes a more compelling argument because you have the the a pretty good tethered experience already. Jeff, you know. So like is the game changer for you going to be putting it in your backpack in literally converting people, you know, like put this on your face go buy one, but this on your face go buy one, it's it might be. That's that's a pretty compelling argument in of itself. But for me, I like the idea that I can game for hours and not have any discomfort. Not feel that weight on my nose. Not you know, not yet. That's a big deal. You know, this position VR is vastly superior in that regard. Yeah. All right. Well, let's move on. I mean, there's so much news. That inevitably a lot is being left behind as we move on. But there's also a lot of games to talk about. And so let's dive into our playlist. Chris. I'm excited to hear about the games on your playlist where would you like to start? Well, other than my own game. Apprecia- I've been playing out and thank you so much for basically demanding I buy it on your show. What two or three weeks? Whenever was 'cause. Yeah. Your recommendation, plus my friends at the player one gas were also a really enjoying it. And I I kinda stayed away. From like, looking at imagery of what the game was in just gonna going off of how you guys were describing it, and I love it. It's I it's such like a simple looking game. It's such a simple playing game. But it's just like it just feels so great, and it does so much with with the symbols. Not not not. The instruments on a drum. I yeah, it the way it like adapts to your gameplay with that music. Like, you know, I played on a plane for a little bit night. I didn't have headphones. I'd to turn it down. I was like man, what am I should even be doing this right now? Because it just feels dirty not play with the music. It's so good at it. Kinda it almost reminds me in a weird way of tack man. You know? Yeah. That's what I get is it. Yeah. Like, you go through kind of the maze in in your your avoiding things, and but you still have power. So yeah, I it kinda scratches that pacman it shouldn't in a much more violent and rampage away. And it sort of has the purity of feels like it feels like a an arcade game done by an artist, you know, like a pure art full take on on that kind of immediate arcade experience. And you're right. I think that screen shots, and even video don't really do it Justice because so much of the experience is that mania of when you're playing e feel manic you feel threatened you feel like a caged animal that's broken out. And that's that experience is communicated through the music in the sound. But also through you know, your relative power to the things around you and how quickly could strike and how how a braces and immediate and fast, the the violence happens. And then stops, you know, it's so so beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm like on the third. There's four disks or something that you play through on the third one in. Yeah. Whatever love is just like some levels. You just like go for it. You know, just your way through it. And like that's the best way deal. But some like they turn the lights off and you've got to smell 'they. And I was not expecting that. At all it takes what you feels like a very simple concept and just makes a lot more out of it. So that's what I really love that game. Yeah. I mean, it is it is my game of year. So far it is. It's extrordinary end one. I will reiterate by saying people should just by fifteen bucks. It's one of those things you can just blind by an ice. I really think that anybody. Listen to this will appreciate it if not love. Yeah. Yeah. The the kind of huge game, I guess of recently implying now is they'll make Rifai I'm not very far into it. I don't know what I can say that you guys got really into it last week other than just like I I realize. I don't know that I've played another game six games in deep and like played through every single one of them. You know, I haven't played through this one yet. But I will. And I I realize doubly cries lake I love it. But I've never really thought of it like like one of my absolute favorite franchises. But it is. I've come to that realization that it is. You know, when I worked on I got my industry start at the official, PlayStation nagazine. And I reviewed the first two games for them. In the first one is a five out of five seconds three out of five. It was a Dick's down. But you know, the first one is is is one of my all time favorite gains in. You know, anytime anything they'll make comes out. It always gets my tension. So definitely has it now, and I was playing through more of that in the coming weeks. I've also playing it's like the the eighties romantic comedy where it's the it's the best friend that was. Turn on I love. Yeah. I've always loved. I just didn't realize it until right? Never thought of cry in rom com. Terms, but. So what what? Did you like DMC? Yeah. I love that game. And I I feel like it got a bad rap from the beginning. Just because his hair was black. I really do. And. Time. I know and and spoiler alert, you know, I had a feeling it would be white by the end of the game. And it was so, you know, it's it's unfortunate that that didn't go through. I almost like to see like to DMC universes. You know, like somehow continued that one maybe they do their own spider. Verse kinda thing at some point. Yeah. It was it. So you're you're you're digging this one is there any particular? I mean, other than your, you know, your your rediscovered love the franchise anything in particular, this one does that you're glad the series return to or that you are appreciating the new way. I'm I would say I've not played enough to say that yet, but your stolen the first guy. And I've beaten the first big boss. There is still I'm not like super far into it. But you know, it definitely feels like double may cry. And and you know, I'm not even Dante yet who who is still my favorite of the in mind overplayed as in that game. Yeah. So you know, I can't wait to play more of it. It's beautiful. It's just you know, it's everything I would have hoped it would be in. I kinda wish it were somehow incorporating the previous one in not totally wiping it from existence. But. Cool. All right. So what else do you? I got into the messenger is. Well, let's one I'm kinda I know it's kind of old, but I've I really appreciate it since of humor, and, you know, mixed in with ninja guiding gameplay, which, you know, one of my all time favorite any games for sure. So so that was great. I'm also as a kind of a side hobby. I have my own YouTube channel dot a superhero video games sand for batmans thirtieth anniversary in three months. Yes. It's thirty years old and three months. I have decided I'm going to play through all of the Batman movie games based on that first movie. Oh, this is the thirtieth anniversary of the Tim yard member in that which was a huge cultural point for me in my life. You know, like that I always been like a fantasy bureaus. But that when like really got me into it early years, man. I'm all. That was the movie that. Probably an interesting to most. But this was the movie that made me realize I needed glasses. 'cause I let my mom picked me up from the movies after I saw it or she sought with me and we leaving. And she goes, what did you think of it? I said it was great except the end. It was all content was going on. It was too dark in the clock tower. Conc- anything she's like what we're taking the eye doctor, and that's when I needed glasses and from then on I lived a the nerd life in in, you know, in look as well as disposition. So that's that's my nerd origin story in a lot of ways. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. It totally got me into reading comics, especially Batman at the time. And you know, it was just I it's like a real you had to be there kind of pop culture moment. I think you know, the, I think the only things that come close would be Star Wars up. So it's one and seven, but that was like a totally different thing to cause that mankind came out of nowhere. I mean, everybody knew a Batman was. But there was just this like height machine for months that is kind of. I don't even think you could do anything quite like it today. Just because of the way media was at you know, every every merchandise now and branded and launch a game with the movie and comic book and a TV show deal. Like, we were still in the infancy of that like Star Wars everywhere. And certainly there were, you know, Saturday morning cartoons were meant to sell toys. But the way that this was Batman doing it in the toys and the licensing and the Jack Nicholson taking a lower rate. In order to get a cut on percentage of toy in like, it was here, we go, you know, and it we haven't looked back. Yeah. Yes. So basically, they're six distinct Batman movie games that were released and I'm gonna play through mall in basically rank my favorites. Others even like seven if you wanna count the tiger hand-held electronics game on my which hardcore and this is before licensed games were good. Stinkers in here. There would be although the you know, the s Batman game. A lot of people said it was the best Batman game until Arca might think that's a bit of a stretch. But it is very good. It's a very good game. It's not a very good representation of that man in any way. The Genesis one is pretty decent. And then, you know, there's a weird turbo graphics when that only came out in Japan, and you know, like some other ones too. But yeah, I I'm going to go through all those games. And also at superhero VG is the quick way to get tonight YouTube channel. You're are you playing them through emulation or you playing them on original hardware, whenever I count on a play, original hardware? I'll do that. Definitely for any s Genesis. You know, I I can't do the gonna have to emulate the arcade game. And the, you know, the I don't think have PC that would actually run it. So in. Only. Through the web are internet archive. Awesome. That's there. So yeah, I'm looking forward to playing through all those and just kinda scratch surface on that. But it's kinda fun fun side project have over the next few months to do. That's rod. I can't wait to see more about that Christian. You said you tease that you were playing already one of the nimbies, which is a portmanteau what what's want you plan. Bro networks. Perfect with the Batman games too. 'cause it's other son soft joint, and they yes, Batman. I remember reading about that. And it goes in game pours his Cape flows while he runs, and I was like I need a maid. On. Yeah. I'm playing blaster master zero two I attribute this to having just finished console wars which raved about as a parting gift at last week's episode in kind of sesame off on that retro issue, again blaster master zero to announce stealth drop during their nimbies press conference last week, and it is a sequel to their remake of the NAS game blaster master. So I actually did not play blaster masters zero which I heard was excellent I had played blaster master OG back when I was a youngster, and then this one caught my eye and having not played blaster master zero. I think Kotok who had an article praising this one. It's ten bucks on the shop had that retro ish. Going from console wars night took the plunge maybe an hour in ninety minutes. When like that I've heard it's like seven to twelve depending on how completions do you wanna be? Or if you're there's. The blaster master zero a good ending and bad ending so somewhere in that range, but I'm working my way through it. It's phenomenal. It it's hard to it. Feels weird to me to praise having not played blaster masters zero. 'cause I offered it was phenomenal to, but it is blaster master zero two is a metro Vania where you are. Splitting your time between two d side scrolling classic. You know, what you'd picture metro Advani? Oh or as Christmas mentioned the messenger style game where you're platforming action. Platforming double jumping exploring this to the universe or you can get out of your little tank at any time as Jason and sometimes on those two d levels than you can sneak under a small opening and get some power ups or some health or you go in and you do dungeon crawling outside of your tank in its this top down kind of isometric. It feels like toe jam and Earl like picture that view as your dungeon. Crawling and blah. Lasting your way through dungeons bosses, and you're getting collectibles for your ship upgrades for your ship maps for the areas that you can go find other collectibles and upgrades. It has a cute little narrative, I don't necessarily want to spoil especially if you want to play blaster master zero 'cause this game continues right after that it gives you a little like previously on's you can I got up to speed quickly. But so there's nice little reasons to be doing the things you're doing in the way mixes those two styles of game play is really fun and it controls. Really? Well, I feel like I'm never in either mode for too long or overstays its welcome right guys. Want to get back in my tank can do some tank wall jumping or you know, whatever I was doing or a gave Jason he has a it's like a pair move this game that I believe last semester zero did not have which allows you to kind of dodge and freeze enemies. But it uses your SP gates, which not unlimited, but super helpful against some of the bosses of the more projectile, heavy spamming bosses in what I think is really cool about it. And I looked this up to make sure it wasn't in blaster master zero. I didn't remember this in blaster master from way back when is that when you're in your tank in blaster master zero you had to collect power ups basically to use your missiles into use your secondary ammo secondary weapons collect ammo. And what this game has blaster master zero two is a guy system, which is if you take instead of taking fall damage when you fall off of high places down back back down to the ground a little tank. There's like this nice satisfying green energy absorption than happens. And that powers up your SP gauge, so it really changes how you go into some enemy encounters because it allows you to be a little more aggressive because you you have there's a way for you to refill. Your secondary your exhilarate fire. Just by playing the experience you'll double jump up hover wall jumping than smash back down. You can see a build up. If you push too far though in us too, much of your SP gauge will run all the way out, and then you have to wait for it to slowly build up, and you won't be able to drop to use it. But it feels like as weird as this analogy might sound it feels like what doomed twenty sixteen did. And how it changed combat encounters or instead of hiding behind a crate to wait for your health, the slowly restore it encouraged you to run toward enemies because that's what your health and ammo are going to be in the similarly changes the idea of hunting around trying to find ammo missiles, or whatever and lets you just fly through encounters knowing that you can always refill that moment's notice at least a little bit. It's really fun and really dynamic. Definitely looks like a modern eight bit game. This is an oriental blind forest by any stretch of the imagination. But. Feels like a perfect sequel to an any s game coming out today and it controls brilliantly on switch. I'm absolutely loving it. So if you have that nostalgia isg going as well, I think blaster masters Eero, accomplishes, everything it sets out to do. It's it's really really incredible. I hear there is a couple of big difficulty spikes along the way, but I'm not there yet your letter to good. I don't think I'm there yet. But I love it. I love it. Awesome. Nice. Well, I played a ton of stuff at GD see that. I'd love to talk about probably too many things to get to it all so I'll cherry pick my favorites. I wanna start with journey to the savage planet because that's a game that got a revealed teaser trailer at the game awards this year hadn't heard about it before that. I don't think anybody had it's from a new developers new studio of that was made by a bunch of developers that came from the have major AAA pedigree guys that worked on army of two and far cry and called Judy games are battlefields. One of the two. These guys that have been working in the industry for a long long time. And they ended up deciding that they wanted to strike out on their own and create something a little different from the stuff that they've been making their whole careers and the result is join the savage planet, which they describe as a positive exploration game, which I just I love the messaging around this game. I fell in love with this game. When I saw it at GD see sewn extended game play session, I didn't have hands on myself. But I watched it being played in front of me. And I I'm so on board with this game. It is they're trying to create a positive experience. It very much has similar DNA something like a no man's sky. Although it is a completely bespoke world it is a world created by the developers. In fact, I asked him about it and one of developers had worked extensively on spore the old maxis game that that really kind of ushered in the era of algorithm. Mic infinite content, and he talked about how you know. I've worked on games like that where they just have infinite algorithm content not interested in that. He said when you make you know when you make EMF infant stuff what you get infant soup. We're we're created interesting created we're interested in creating something more special something where when you look around the corner something somebody put something there for you to discover. And that's so speaking my language, I mean, that's exactly what I'm looking for is a world created by artists with an intention and this game. Really it's about you going to a planet. You're hired by the fourth most successful SP. Exploration company end up. There's it's surrounded with humor. The game is a comedy and has a lot of live action video elements sort of an infomercial aesthetic where they kinda tell you about why you're there and what you're doing. And you're exploring all these different biomass in collecting new technologies and harvesting animals and creatures that you find there and exploiting them to create new things like do that lets you bounce higher by spraying it on the ground or a sort of an organic grappling hook thing that you'll get and all kinds of tech kind of reminds me a little bit of something like a metro prime where you have to get new tech to get to new areas to explore new things to get to new tech to get to new areas. But they're trying to de-emphasized murdering everything the emphasizing shooting. There is a laser pistol. And there are things to. Shoot. But it's more about you know, finding things in exploring this island. I just loved the ethos of these guys who all sort of created the most Brody games, you can imagine in their history. And then decided they wanted to create something a little more positive in little more wholesome a little more lighthearted. You know, I it's it's just a a wonderful thing in the game has so much character. It has a great art style almost cartoony art style. And I just was completely taken with journey to the savage planet. I can't wait to play more of it. Couple other. You know? GDP is all about indie games. At least from my perspective. There's a lot of triple eight on display there as well. But there's nothing that shines a better light on indie. Then GD does with the indie megabits that we talked about with with Kelly Wallich last week. And so many other things I mean, there's there's a mazing thing. Judy called Alta control GD C, which is all about people showing weird and wacky ways to control video games. There was a game. They're called health couch. The couch co op game where the controller is a couch, and you are literally sitting in different spots on the couch to control the game. I saw a game where you shovel literal coal into a literal buckets in order to make a train go down a track. I mean, people are literally shoveling actual fake coal like physical pieces of fake coal into a bucket, and it measures how much you have shoveled into. Make the train go all kinds of stuff in between wild and wacky. Inputs? Galore deceased are wizards though instead out to me as yes, a you at you saw that you went to that areas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, hell Coutts was the first one I thought of its mission that I just a brilliant idea. Somebody's like let's couch co op game with an actual couch. Yeah. Exactly really have to see just how big these things are impractical. But their goal to look at. Okay. Dear listener, it's just us. Now, we've had one of those weeks we've had some very unfortunate technical issues that are causing massive problems to our recording. And so I am recording. This by myself. I wanted to tell you about some of the stuff that I have seen this week. And I couldn't get Christian or Chris on will be back at the end of the show give their parting gifts we did record those. But I want to continue talking about some of the games that I've been playing this week, including a couple of really awesome into games that I played at GD. See there was a whole bunch of stuff that I could go on for hours about all the great any titles. I saw but to that stood out to me one is called airborne kingdom, which is basically a city builder game. But done with flying flying contraptions flying cities cities with giant propellers sort. Of steam punk aesthetic. And you're flying over these craggy, desolate areas in all the society has had to go into the skies to survive. But it's a city built in the sense that you're getting resources in your building on your creating these crazy sky contraptions, which are built from components that you attach on the size when you have enough resources to do. So at this topic is just so up my alley. I mean, I love that. Steam punk thing. Love city builders. I love this idea of a city that moves so you're literally moving through areas of a map to in order to get closer to resources. The game is not close to release yet. So I think a lot of it will change, but I'm already very very excited for airborne kingdoms. I wanted to highlight for you to put on your radars as well if you're into games like that because I'm always in love with a good city builder. Good strategy game like that. And this is one that has a look and feel that is so unique indifference to clever concept to combine that kind of thing with a non static area. You know city builders by definition, these these static things that don't move because you're building buildings to put him on have put him in the sky with Jan propellers wings, very, very cool. So it's airborne kingdom another game that stuck out to me that I saw any mega booth that I'm very excited for is called looking for heels. And if you're like me who often picks healer classes in Imos, I tend to be the priest or the cleric. And he'll my teammates. I enjoy that mechanic in multiplayer games. But it's often very thankless task as you know, if you do that or a pressure filled task often don't get the glory that the Kuldeep ES classes are tank classes do when taking down big monsters. You just there making sure everybody stays alive long enough to do all the cool stuff. Well, there is an Indian called looking for heels that wants to put the healer centerstage and make the healer the coolest member of the party. In fact, the only member that you control this is a two d sort of retro looking game. But a very very coolest, and you played the healer, and you have a bunch of DPS and tank characters that you control sort of pick men style. They're they're not controlled by other humans controlled by you, you tell them who who to attack where to go who to kill. And your job is to keep them alive as they do. So. And I love the idea here being that, you know, this should be an adventure. Where the healers the hero is the main character. And this is the one that does it. And so you have a certain skills that you can fire off that he'll your party, and you gotta make sure they don't get in over their head too, far and standard fire and do stupid things that humans often do in Imos, but this is much more of an action side scrolling. This looks like a castle crashers type game. But with a party that you're controlling and telling them where to go and who to smack as you keep them topped off and healed up. So looking for heels has very excited to play more of that as well. All right. I like I said dozens and dozens more games those were the top shelf ones. But I do want to also talk about some VR stuff. Celebs do a little bit of solo style. Jeff without any co hosts because let's be honest. It's basically solo me anyway, VR talk to VR talk. But first we have to think our sponsor squarespace. I've been talking about squarespace for over a decade now because I love it. I've been using it for over Jeff cannot dot com. Bilton squarespace. I tell my friends and family when they need a website and everybody needs a win site at sooner or later rights website. It's ubiquitous I if you need the Shuki should work or blog, or publish content to sell something any kind of business. Smaller large is gonna need a website. 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I will be able to play at home when they are finally released and by far the one I was taking most with is again called falcon age now listeners to the show. Will remember me going absolutely Gaga for a PS VR exclusive called Dino frontier, which is a sort of a God game strategy game where you're controlling little. Characters in the old west. But this old west also has dinosaurs. It was an awesome. Awesome game so much heart. I still highly recommended if you have PlayStation VR you, oh, it's yourself to try Dino frontier and the team behind that game is part of a new studio and they're making a game called falcon age, and I got a chance to play it for the first time. And I am I'm equally in love. I think this team is so special the games that they make are so unique, and so heartfelt and joyous in a way that few few companies seem to manage to find. And who among us hasn't wanted to be a Falconer at some point in your life says you find a falconry as a thing you go man, that'd be RAD. You wear a big cool glove fell can lands on it, and you handed something goes does something falconry. Yes. What be Falconer? So why hasn't the magical medium of video games allowed me to be a Falconer in more games? I can't even remember game where I'm Falconer. Is a character. And here's the storm that uses a falcon. But I there's been like a main character Falconer game. Listen for getting one maybe you guys know, maybe I'll get a bunch of emails about the falcon regains. I'm not aware of. But regardless there's never been a falconry game in VR and fell can age can be played without VR. Can it is going to be available on PlayStation as a two dimensional game traditional game? But who would want that when you can literally reach your arm out and have a falcon land on it. And look in the eye and hold bring him up close to you and move your arm around, and he sort of dances with you. And you can get little clothing little hats for him. And you literally pluck them out of your, inventory and VR and place them on his head. Now, he's wearing a little top hat. Yeah. That's the kind of falconry I want this game is delightful. A. Pseudo open when I really open world, I guess it's more structured than that. But it's sorta gonna feels a little bit like borderlands e it's got a sort of a cell shaded issue. Look to it really really pretty game. And the falcon looks great. And you have there's two versions of falcon that I saw there's a full grown falcon, and you can have a baby falcon, so cool. And you have this falcon you can tell it to attack things you can tell it to do stuff for you like unlock doors or stuff, you can help you with environmental obstacles. And you also have this sort of electric whip in your hand and between the falcon and yourself, you will be attacking enemies in defending the falcon and saving the falcon the falcon can get into trouble. I don't think the falcon can die which is very good because I would be very sad. But the falcon can be disabled can go down. And when the falcon needs health, you have to feed it food or pet it and you're doing all that physically in VR because you're just reaching out in giving food wishing petting. It's back awesome. And even better than that. When he gets really into trouble like it gets shot by the enemy robots. There's a bunch of robots in the world that are that are attacking you and your falcon than you have to beat them over the head with your your electric -ton or whip them with your electric whip. But while they're attacking your poor. Falcon you literally bring. Your hand to your mouth to whistle for it. We put you know. I that's not how it will sounds. But what you get what I'm saying you bring your fingers to your lips. The falcon comes to you, you hold your arm out. It lands, and you see it, and it's all these projectile stuck in its back. These like needles things that the bad robots have been shooting at it. And you have to pluck them out. It is such a compelling beautiful emotional thing to put into a gain and it works. So well because you are actually doing it. You're actually, you can rotate the falcon on your arm, and you see all around it. And you see where the the poor thing has these needle stuck at side that got shot at it from these robots, and you reach out, and you grab them, and you pluck them off and the bird feels better than you pet his back, and he feels okay, and he flies off and he goes back into the fight. That's falconry. Oh, man. I'm so in this game. And it's you know, there's items to collect crafting. There's puzzles I guess like puzzles I'm so down for falcon agent again, you can play outside of VR. But why would you it's going to be on PS VR? I played it in VR. It's great. I am. So looking forward to falcon age also had a chance to try some of the most -ticipant upcoming Oculus rift games. I played them on the s as I talked about earlier in the show including storm land insomniacs upcoming a game where you play as a robot where you can upgrade yourself by literally Yenkey limbs off your body and reattaching new ones really really cool on clever. It's a shooter and traverse game you moments. You put your arms on front of you, and you can fly really fast. Scheme looks incredible. It's AAA game from insomniac, these the, you know, the studio that gives Spiderman this year, I'm so excited for storm land in what little I played it. I played out on a twenty minute demo. It gives me very very very excited for that game. And then I got to play a game. That is also coming from Oculus studios. I think has also Oculus exclusive called as guards wrath. This is from the studio that did VR sports challenge, which is a game. That is woefully. Underrated. And is one of the best VR experiences. Still and the marvel powers United of VR game that I think is little rough around the edges, but still Superfund to give you the experience of feeling like you're Thor and wolverine and Spiderman and all of bunch of other characters this is their big role playing game experience. And I can't explain it any better than saying. Hey, remember, how we all loved God of war recently. What if you were inside Crato says skin, that's what as God's wrath is. It's a similarly themed obviously as guards wrath you walk across the by. Frost and ride the rainbow bridge into the into the realm of difficult, or you know, all the all the same kinds of things, and you are in first person in VR sword fighting with with axes and swords and shields and daggers you can throw and that they have nailed that feeling of visceral God of war style. Bloody melee combat where you go into battle against these demons. They have certain attacks that you sort of punch out style that will klu klu in on something you might have to do. But I mean, I literally in the course of this demo a monster. Threw a dagger. At me. I raised my shield the dagger stuck into the wooden shield. I reached out yet the dagger out of my own shield and threw it back at the bad guy. Slicing his face in half. Amazing. And where it really scratches that God of war it in the same way. Is you have an axe that just like Crato in God of war. You can throw and you literally pull it off your your hip or it's in its sheath. You you know, you pull it out with your hand grab it and then make a throwing motion and you throw it at the bad guy. And then when you want to pull it back into your hand Crato or four style, you do the reverse motion of throw. So you go from down to up and yank your hand back. And then it comes back into your hand, and you grab it. So it's it's just like go to war where you're throwing your acts out and pulling it back to you and throwing it out and slicing something pulling it back in attacks on the way back just like on the way forward, but you're doing it all physically because it's in VR and one to once you see the thing up close it's all in three d and you're throwing. Forward grabbing it back. I mean, come on. I guess there's forty hours of game play a big a big sprawling storyline. I played the first mission of the story where you're literally the size of God, wading through an ocean. With ships all around you is a little guy on a ship yelling at you to help him as the thunder cracks all around. And then you fight a crack in. And you know, you're you're it's throwing ships at you and your slicing ships in into as your waist deep in the ocean as a God. And then it grabs you, you're slicing it's tongue as it. Smacking itself out. I mean, the scale and the feeling this game just seem super epic and cool one. I'm very very excited about for VR. So there you have it some VR fun at GD. See like, I said I saw a lot of stuff there. But those are the best of the best. And I'm sure I'll be talking more about other things as they come up and now back to the show with guests so much for solo time all rights will that is gonna do it for this episode of de L cease to ground for parting gifts. But Chris Baker. Thank you so much for being here, sir. It's been such a pleasure. It was a pleasure. Yeah. I've been a fan for a long time. And it was great to be here myself. Sometimes honestly, I forgot I was on the show. And I was just like listening podcast. It's like that's how you guys are. Thanks that. Well, tell people where they can keep up to date on Porenta and all the other things you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. You can follow Principia go to Oprah RPG dot com. That's the website or at Oprah RPG. That's okay. P E R E N C I A RPG on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram me, personally, I am at sea bake seven six on Twitter. And if you go there, you can get all kinds of links to other stuff, I do like, my personal website, and my my YouTube channel, which is you can go to superhero, the G if you just to go there yourself too. Yeah. Man, I'm excited. Seal your Batman plates. Who's those we blast? Christian spicer. How about you? What are you going on this week? If you're in San Diego, I believe I'm doing two shows at madhouse on Saturday. And I think I'm doing a show Sunday at the LA Hoya comedy store so to clubs to show to clubs three shows down in San Diego. If you're there to show remember the code word is kingwood high school. That's how Chris, and I know you actually matter bra. Otherwise Twitter at Spicer. And then aside from this week. I think next week. I typically stream these shows live on my twitch, twitch dot TV slash Christian, Spicer, Jeff. What about you? Well, you can always Email us here at the show at DLC feedback at gmaiLcom, we love hearing from Hewlett here in your questions and comments and opinions of all kinds deal feedback at gmaiLcom as we send that you can also follow me on Twitter of hearing from you there as well at Jeff cannata, which spell two ends and won t. And if you want to hear me talk about movies and TV shows head over to the slash film cast, which you can find anywhere you get podcasts or by visiting slash film. Cast dot com. Alright guys, let's wrap the show of now with our parting gifts. Chris baker. Do you have a suggestion help people get through their week? Yeah. You know, much like I was a fan of the show for years before finally being a guest. There's a a Spiderman podcast that is very much the same boat called the amazing spider talk. And if you consider yourself a big man fan, and if you have not been listening to the show, you better listen to this show. It's fantastic. They talked to all like, the Spiderman creators, they they have like basically reviews of basically every issue since the superior Spiderman era of years ago, and they pass years they've really focused on just having great shows about the themes of Spiderman, and it is the my favorite comic book related podcast out there. It's called the amazing spider talk. Who is who is? I think I feel like I know Dan vase. Yes. This is Dan Dan has been a guest numerous times on the slush film cast ads. Right. I remember that. Now that you say that. Yes, he's great. He's. Second to this suggestion. I haven't checked it out myself. I really mean need to because Dan's, awesome, and spina. So the amazing spider talk, really cool Christians Spicer. How about you? What do you got for a parting gift easy to say hard to do spring cleaning at that time of the year? Get that bug clean it out for me. I'm getting packing up some old consoles to make way for new old consoles. My we you finally got the the the box the box in been this weekend. And that's where my mega G is going to go. So. By that myself. How excited I'm so excited? Clearing space for old consoles to get my new old consoles in their cleaning. It's important. It's hard Brit super satisfying after you do it. My wife did a bang-up job on the garage this weekend as well. So I encourage our listeners to take that moment as the weather gets nice here. Hopefully for everybody to get rid of some old stuff. Maybe donate some stuff look to help out others, and you know, cleanup clear out. She says clean yard feeling guilty. Chris gonna make you feel more guilty, clean stuff. Why would feel guilty? I feel guilty that I'm not cleaning stuff. There you go. Although today, I did a lot of that listeners suggested parting gift this comes to deal feedback at gmaiLcom comes from John Benton. John says started listening to the podcast as soon as I got on my workout this morning. So I felt like I had to make this a parting gift entry. I just joined orange Serey Jim in November. And it's been amazing. I'm taking part in their eight week transformation challenge. I've lost twenty pounds in the first four weeks. I've been skinnier in my in my younger days, but have never in my life in his fit. My goal was thirty pounds eight weeks and will likely blow right past that. If I lose the highest percent of body weight. I went five hundred bucks. It's a sixty minute workout group that is coached by staff member. There are rowers treadmills in variety of floor apparatus dumbbells in the coach tell you what workouts do how far. Rowen to increase treadmill speed or inclined to switch etc and provide constant motivation. The thing I thought you in the listeners would appreciate is how they have nailed the game of occasion of working out. You purchase a heart rate monitor and everyone's heart rate calories burned HR percentage. Splat points are displayed on monitors all over the gym for every minute. Your heart rate is in the orange or red zone. You get a split point my block on the TV will be lit up in the color of my heart the color. My heart rate is in if I'm in the green, I know I need to push harder to get back into the orange. If somebody else in the class has more splat points, I push harder and splat points get harder to come by the fitter you get. So it's an easy way to make me breakthrough plateaus and continue improving. It's a different workout every day. And I usually burn around a thousand calories every time I go in it brings out a competitive side me that normally only comes out when playing video game reward game. I've used several traditional gyms of the years and would go in and putz around for an hour and barely push myself. The difference is amazing. It's honestly, not cheap. But I was creeping up on three hundred pounds. So this has been very important investment in my life span health, self esteem mood energy level and overall wellbeing. My girlfriend basically dragged me to the first workout to see if we liked it. And now, I'm drinking the orange Kool-Aid and happy to be a geek in sneaks awesome. Do you not sponsored by orange theory in any way? But I'm certainly glad this is working for you. Man sounds pretty RAD and congrats on becoming a geek and snakes. And hopefully, you're listening to this right now as you're working out. So we're we're were supporting you buddy, thanks for sending in your parting gift to send in a parting gift and be like John us at the deal feedback at gmaiLcom. My parting gift is a band, not a new band. But when it's new to me, I have just discovered a friend of the show, and friend of Christian mine suggested paper kites to me recently, and I have fallen in. Love paper kites is lovely especially there's a son called bloom not a new song. But when I wasn't aware of many of you probably will already know, but I've just had it on repeat. It's gorgeous melodic guitar, very, moody and sweets, very positive. It's called paper kites is the band and the song that I would recommend is bloom. Alright that's going to do it for this episode of D L C. Thanks again to Chrispy Cring Christian Spicer for hanging out with me. Excuse me. And enduring all of our numerous technical problems. Thanks to our musical contributors. Patrick L, Sean Madigan zero star thanks to the folks that hang out with us in real time in the chat rooms and thank you to each. And everyone of you who download the show we really appreciate it. We'll be back next week until then think about what you put out into the world make it a better place.

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iHeartRadio launch Podcast Awards

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01:40 min | 2 years ago

iHeartRadio launch Podcast Awards

"In the latest Pont news, iheart, radio has announced the first podcast awards says the Hollywood reporter. The podcast industry is getting its own award show says the story, and we'll quote be the first live awards show for podcasting where listeners will decide on the winners nominees have been announced on the awards website and listeners can vote now and yes, numerous podcast awards ceremonies have previously been held many with listener voted winners. The operations manager at national public media rights piece about addressing podcasting, big challenges in measurement and marketing. National public media represent NPR and PBS for sponsorship sales. Meanwhile, Jessica coop from earn podcast websites Rights Watch to podcast advertisers really want on his dancers from podcast media buyers. Fan podcasts are no longer being promoted by Lucasfilm's Star Wars website. According to bleeding Colle del have joined the growing ranks. Of companies who have an employee podcast. Mayor Elhiani writes about the growing trend for popular podcasts to produce live shows focusing on this American life at a new podcast for you. Video palaces, shudder original podcast from AMC networks, shudder, it's their first original podcast series. The chilling thrill, ride video palace from the makers of the Blair witch project podcasts. Good newsletter is better linked to all of these stories cover many more and it's free subscribed today at pod news dot net.

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Open Source Policy with Bruce Perens

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56:44 min | 1 year ago

Open Source Policy with Bruce Perens

"Open source plays a key role in today's world of technology businesses today. The impact of open source seems obvious from Kuban Eddie's to to distributed databases to cloud providers so much of our software is powered by open source but it was not always this way Bruce Perrins and was one of the earliest figures in the world of open source he collaborated with Eric S Raymond the author of Cathedral and the bazaar and he also developed a different belief set from Richard Stolman who was another foundational advocate of open source. Bruce worked as an engineer at Pixar from nineteen eighteen eighty seven to the year two thousand Bruce joins the show to give a history of open source and talk about his experience in the software industry as well L. as modern policies around open source. Thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy the show. Cruise is a San Francisco based company building. 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The first Perrin's welcome to software engineering daily. Well thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to talking to you about open source but you have a very interesting background. You were an engineer at Pixar from nine hundred eighty seven to two thousand. Tell me about Pixar SAR in its earliest days so I joined Pixar as employee number sixty three and this was in nineteen nineteen eighty seven I had in nineteen eighty-one joined a place in the east called the N. Y. T. Computer Graphics Lab and that was the laboratory that was the predecessor of Pixar was a university that isn't really hell known and they had a lab where students weren't allowed and where they were essentially inventing feature film computer graphics and all of the Pixar founders had worked there they had actually just left to go to work for George Lucas when I came in and and I eventually followed them to Pixar but I started this as a disc operator and discuss parade or made two dollars and fifteen cents per hour and we had one back seven eighty. It became too later on so if you I know what it is those things ran at one mips and your computer today properly two thousand per core. It's got more than one core and this was before the days when we had automatic programs that made sure your disc was consistent and so we had to do that manually. If you're assisted men you know something called F S C K well we didn't have that and if something broke in the file system it took a reasonable amount of skill to fix it in the file systems were very fragile so you went through a process after every boot in single user mode and if it was really broken took a kernel programmer to fix the file L. system so I worked there and back than a frame buffer which is the equivalent of Eight Bit Graphics Card Costs Seventy thousand dollars and that was in nineteen eighty one dollars and we used to wire three of them together gather to make our GB so imagine what that thing cost and the very cheapest Vga card that you can get now because we're talking six forty already by four eighty is powerful than the equipment fit costis two hundred something thousand dollars at the time and you can imagine how slow it was to make graphics as well and then I got to Pixar and of course in nineteen eighty seven the the equipment was little better but there's actually a constant in computer graphics which is if it takes less than a minute to render the scene in a single frame work on add stuff so as computers have gotten more powerful foil and you can see the difference if you go look at the original toy story and look at modern Pixar films or other computer graphics graphics films. We couldn't do hair very well. We in Toy Story. There are no human faces that you really get to see no adult faces you C. N. deal at all and you know the kid faces are are obviously vary abstracted versus. Ursus what you might see in computer graphics today where you know thinks look real and we couldn't do real then so computer graphics except has improved quite a lot mostly because the processors got more powerful and we got the potential to have more of them in in parallel. There was no such thing as the cloud back when we started doing this we did paralyze quite a bit because we could render frame frame separately and of course at twenty four frames per second in fill so we had rooms full of processors that were each rendering a frame at any one time and I think for toy story we had rooms full of Sun Microsystems System's pizza box workstation so they were actually meant to sit on a desk they were a couple of inches aw and we just made big stacks Savi's things and it was all a temporary setup so we had portable air conditioners in that room right away and and of course we knew that by the end of the film. The workstations would be worth nothing that you know computers depreciate faster than fresh fruit so this was always a set up. We meant to use for only one film. It was a very exciting place to work because we were making afield this field of photo realistic feature film and Somehow the Security and Exchange Commission and let us do our ip a just as we were coming out with toy story rip initial offering they let us do it. It s not beer initial public offering and they let us do it. Just as toy story was coming out so that was a lot more publicity then. I think a IPO would normally have and so it was fun. Can I just ask what was the interaction between engineers I and the story creators in the Pixar movie development process like I I read creativity ink that book about Pixar which was fantastic but I'd love to hear it from an engineer that was deep in the process of building some of these systems. What was your interaction with the animators in the storytellers well the the animators were pretty technical. Each animator on their workstation had a large number of sliders. I I think you know at that point. buzzes face probably had fifty sliders that changed parameters in it and I walked around around down a mation reasonable life just to see what was going on. During toy story I went to all the Russia's so as the film developed I was with the animators watching at least one so we can as we played newly animated stuff and I knew quite a lot of them personally some of them. I worked with in the lab in New York before going to Pixar and we all got along pretty well. There wasn't really much of the divide at least at that time between the animators from the technical people now so there was probably some resentment on the animator spark because the software really stunk I mean we were doing this for the very first time and this software had been developed at Lucasfilm since nineteen seventy and and I remember at the time a technical director had to know nineteen computer languages because we just kept doing different things through history. We'd invented our own languages. We used a lot of interpreted ones is so I think when you think of computer animation you know you may be thinking of programmers and animators and there's also technical director director so a technical director is a programmer who knows enough to do coding but actually is some handle on the creative part is well. I did train to be technical director. I saw how bad the software was and decided to keep working on its development event. was there a release processes like I when I think about the creation of a movie that has a deeply the technical engineering bent to its intent process. I'm just trying to think through you know. It's not like a continuous delivery. Process would exist in software today. What was the creation in release process. I guess it was it must have been more waterfall. Ish Yeah it. It was pretty waterfall ish and I. I don't think that they did freeze for a film. I think that they were constantly. Fixing bugs dugs all through the fell because the animators would come up with stuff. I actually not directly my fault. It was a piece of software that I wrote that someone else copied into the animation system but I hadn't written it for the animation system at all. I broke the rendering being system for a good couple of months while people looked for a file descriptors early which was really hard to find at the time time so that was the largest time that I I ran into well. We're trying to get new software out with all these features in it. It just breaks totally unpredictably and Tom. Dot fhu is pretty famous. Systems programmer finally found the problem. Did you ever interact with Steve Jobs in the process of your time at Pixar well. I interact with Steve Jobs all of the time. Eh and Steve was there on my first day at Pixar. I got to meet him and talk with him. Reasonably blace soon he would come around to look at what we were doing on the programming and we were making new software so steve would always come mm around for demos and things. Steve always at an open door on his office and I would walk in and talk with Steve and I just you know didn't really feel anything unusual about that but I think some people might have been a little intimidated limited by Steve and might not have done that and I was very young and probably somewhat of the aggressive asks this kind of guy so I just had no problem talking with. Stephen also pushing back on Steve Her. I seem to do a lot of the pushing back on Steve in the role of talking about staff issues and I remember the last time I spoke with. Steve Jobs was I was leaving Pixar. I was going to work online and open source and I walked into Steve's office and said you still don't believe in this open source stuff and Steve said well you know I had a lot to do with making two of the world's three great operating systems and by that Steve Meant next oh us us because he at the time had the next workstation company and Mac. Os and he considered the third one was windows UNIX Alex Watson Diva in there and he said and we needed a billion dollar research lab every time so I don't think I think you're GONNA be at legitimate so that was where we left. I shook Steve's hand said by never spoke with Steve Again. Steve wasn't really one to speak with Ex. Employees emailed him once or twice. I don't know I got it just about. Pr Shoes because people would interview view of me and they'd ask about picture so Steve. I think it was really only a year or two after we had that conversation. Russian apple decided to put open source software the K. D. browsers render in the safari. A browser and Steve got up on stage at macworld in front of a slide that said open source. We love it so I won that argument but of course Steve Being Steve. Never admitted it to me and when you start a business you don't have much revenue. There isn't much accounting to manage but as your business grows your number of customers grows it becomes harder to track your numbers and if you don't know your numbers you don't Know Your Business <unk>. Net sweet is a cloud business system that saves you time and gets you organized as your business grows. You need to start doing invoicing an accounting and customer relationship management net sweet is a complete business management software platform that handles sales financing <unk> an accounting and orders and hr net sweet gives you visibility into your business helping you to control and grow your business. Net Suite is offering a free guide seven key strategies to grow your profits at net sweet dot com slash S. e. daily. 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It was probably pretty close to nineteen eighty seven so I've been in this more than thirty years haven't die and so so I made electric fence and I don't know how much of the audience her that old but it used to be that finding memory buffer overruns was just almost impossible so the c language has these buffer <music> overruns and if you coat them your coaches fails totally unpredictably in different places every time because because it doesn't run the same way every time isn't it doesn't get the same memory allocation every time and this would just drive program are crazy easy and I created a program called the electric fence in what this would do is it would make every allocation two pages ages at least in the first page was your actual allocated memory and the second page was a dead page so if you touched that page your program would immediately boredom or if you were in the bugger would stop and so the side effect of this was that that you're buffer overruns immediately signalled themselves when they happened rather than signaling themselves with their effects which was he'd have garbage memory urine there making your program do unpredictable things so that worked. I gave it to everyone at Pixar and I said well. This is great. Let's let's put this out on that. Of course we have used net back then. Pixar wasn't actually shortly on the ARPANET and so I put this out I think on COMP DOT sources dot son on the use net matt and I got my first introduction to the effect of open source. Although this didn't at the time of course shopping open source license I sent it out and someone picked it up said this is great. I need <unk>. Put this where I work but I hadn't written very sorry documentation and person unknown to me a until that point on the net wrote the documentation. Shen and it was in my mailbox the following morning so there was this effect of having a crowd worked on software and of of course I I put the documentation in the electric fence package. I gave a bit tavern Pixar and started sending out out new versions of electric fence with documentation so that introduced me to the effect of open source and I think I sort of got pushed toward open source buy stuff that was going on at Pixar at the time. I think everyone everyone felt that Microsoft Windows would be Winnie the operating system worse and one day. Steve Steve made his peace with bill and I looked at that time I had an office directly across from Steve's I could let's see into Steve's office from my desk and this was not because I was important. I think it was because they wanted to keep an eye on me and so I looked on Steve Steph one day and the next workstation had been and replaced with a Microsoft Windows Laptop I think and so Steven obviously made his decision they was going to be a windows future and he told us we would eventually put the picture automation system on windows. We weren't really happy about that. Certainly I was. I think a lot of the other programmers smelt. It wasn't realistic that windows at the time mm-hmm was more difficult to program than Eunuch specifically. I think son and S G I unix especially for graphics six. You know graphics cards were in their infancy and I think for personal reasons. I just felt that UNIX UNIX who's going to be the way to go and I started working on Linex and lightness at this point had put it out version zero dot nine with some large number of nine South Korea and it was just you know adding another nine instead instead of going to one point for a very long time and at that time it might not have had networking and Alan and was adding the networking and I sort of helping out with that a little although at didn't have a really big role in the colonel at all and I <unk> I did things like got someone else to release his networking software that helped the kernel developers but line of cheese really making taking it. I thought a lot more people were getting interested in it. I got interested in the cheeky. Al I thought it really worked well well and it incented people contribute software had this incredible multiplier effect where the software would just get bigger and Baker Acre and so eventually we had moments that was sort of when I determined to leave Pixar and and at one point long before Toy Story Pixar had lost forty million dollars and Steve I've had the choice to folded up you know fire I saw or put more money in and and Steve wrote off all of what he had put more money in to that point road off is in dire forty million dollar investment assessment in Pixar reorganized the company essentially and put in more money and at that time hi my had been at Pixar for eight years and all of my employees Stock Mustang was reset to zero and I think on the second time I it got less stock to Siphon this very frustrating. You know you work at at a company a year. She think you're GonNa make some stock. Okay now it start art all over again so I would be at Pixar for twelve years before my stock vested and during that time Pixar czar turned around we got our movies going we have had previously a non compete with Lucasfilm so we had to make hardware things we could make films but the noncompetitive eventually ran out and we made our deal with Disney and I decided on your a ah that I had worked until the stock vested and then I would leave so as the end of stock vesting was coming up up. I did inform my manager. Should I was leaving and I would do it on this particular day and they said okay well. Thanks for <unk> telling US and and we agree with your plan and you know which was nice I mean they could have fired me that day I still would have had most of my stock and I did leave on the day that I got the last share and some point in their actually a a number of separate times sold off stock and paid off the mortgage on my home so I now could be be a flight because I didn't have this tremendous debt on top of me site that work on open source and reasonable confidence that my family would not be out of their house and starving and I eventually went on to form Linex capital group and we invested in a couple companies that didn't work out progeny LINEX CISTERNS Ian Murdock was had and another short short-lived business that was going to do crip talker fee but the market turned and I picked the wrong partners tonight eventually rolled up that episode two. Went Hewlett Packard be a manager pay just just to to take a step back though what I'm interested in talking about is your beliefs around open-source so you have a certain set of beliefs and you were interacting with Richard Stolman and Eric s Raymond and these people who who are now you know parts of the open source historical Lore. I'd love to know how your beliefs around open source contrast with those of Richard Stolman Eric Raymond and the other people who were early names ms in the open source world okay well. I corresponded with Richard in the early eighties where we're talking eighty one eighty two because I had followed the original announcement of canoe. I want shirt that Richard was working with Intel. I wrote him and said. Why are you the free software guy working for Intel? They make proprietary software. Richard wrote me back and said Intel is paying me to work on free software at that time they were making the good new compiler work better on the Intel. CPU and a lot of the early people involved in Debbie and an open source were also radio hams alike bedell garbage for example Phil Karn a lot of people who are still known in communications <hes> software today and I was carson bonding with them on ham radio technology shoes so I knew a lot of these people where my beliefs sort of jail were that I believed in free software. I felt the free software was great thing to do to help tremendous numbers of people that for a programmer it was actually more gratifying for me than working yeah. Pixar because all of the software I did at Pixar would be end of lifed by the end of Phil if not before I did everything I did for pictures in end of life and everything I've done open source still has users and her as it happened. I mean millions or even billions of users because for example busy boxes in so many telephones <music> and wireless access points. It's just all over the place so I liked the idea of free software but I didn't want want to rule out making proprietary software for example at home. I used quick and I thought that that quicken was a really good example of where proprietary software works that they were making money for Laura that they had many paid maintainers turbo. Tax is another example from the same company. The developers turbo herb attacks. They're not programmers are counts so those were places where I thought proprietary software worked very well and I develop this understanding that open source works very best for infrastructure kinds of software to great extent and the companies can afford to work on open source wherever it's not business differentiating French so what does that mean say your Amazon Amazon at one point had a notification system that said the people who bought this book also bought these three books and half the time the person would order one of those lose three that it recommended and all of the expense for Amazon was putting the first book in the box of profit was a significantly large or a night put a second book in the same box and shifted to the customer now when that recommendation in came out it was the first system of its kind. It was a business differentiator. The other bookstores I this is when Amazon was was still bookstore did not have a similar system in their online systems that was business differentiator br Amazon customers so it made Amazon's business visibly better than the other businesses in contrast contrast Amazon could have told all of their competitors everything they knew about Apache and PHP and would have helped them all work more efficiently because Abbas on could have distributed the cost and risk of developing Apache HP among other companies ace but what made them important to their customers was all these business differentiating things not the infrastructure so so I got to see open source as having a role in what for many companies was actually a duality where you're maybe ninety five percent of the software that they did was supporting in nature that they could share the development element is open source and it would actually reduce their software development costs and then they could take that money and put it on the five percent up software that actually was business differentiating and that made them look different to their customers made their business work better and that they could not open source until it lost its differentiating value so having developed this whole whole philosophy of of how open source works in business and I wrote this up in a paper called the emerging economic paradigms of open source worse. I realized I was in a fundamentally different place than Richard. Because Richard wanted world all to be all free software and and you know what that would be very nice world. Let's not get ourselves and I was talking about. How software works in business where there was a role for open source in there was a role for proprietary now Eric. I think Eric also understand that there is a role for open source and proprietary but I've never really been able to pin can down Eric Kahn. What is philosophy is and and if you read Eric goes into a lot of issues that aren't related to open source at all and I'm actually kind of careful about that with avenge realizing open source for example you won't find out how I feel about trump during this podcast or are how I feel about abortion sir anything like that because if we talked about those things you might tune me out based on my feelings about those and never listen to my message about open source and I wanted to hear my message about open source? 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Can you just give me your perspective for how and why the relationship between large corporations and open source has evolved to the state that it's in today and I guess maybe in that answer you you can give some background about your experience with Microsoft and HP and your you know your store with open source there because your your history and the history of Microsoft's perspective on open source has some some interesting overlap you might say yes and the ending suspiciously interesting because in the end the pigs fly but anyway well at the start. No one would listen to us. That's really important to know because if if you look at the open source definition I did a really get a job and it stood for twenty two years now bought. I had no lawyer helping no lawyer would help us certainly didn't have money to pay for one non were volunteering and of course if I had the help of a liar I might have done a few things differently so there's been this tremendous development where we started out sort of being anathema a bunch of weird weird may be Pinko Kinda Guy who events philly the we're all just accepted us and the speed with which that happened. Did you know still astonishing at companies. Open source was a bottom up revolution so what that means is that management obviously was not start an open source initiatives management would have been horrified five to understand that their programmers were working with open source law department wasn't aware of this when they they did they often had a great deal of learning and adaptation to but what would happen would be an engineer era would start to work on something and and say well Gee. We don't need to develop something we can just take the open source software and use it it and that person might not have had much concept of licenses but they realize the software was in some way usable and and so we saw things like Apache get into businesses because at the time everyone had to be on the web. That wasn't imperative then. How do you get on the web. How do you make your website work. Well Open source tools. Were a really good and easy way to do that and the web was a good fit for open source. It was all systems programming ramming. The Interpretive Languages people used to develop websites. They were a good fit again. They were system programming. They were they were infrastructure. They were the kinds of things and open source especially in the early days really did best and so hello companies did start pick it up at the time also. Microsoft software. Wasn't that good yeah. I mean everyone would tell jokes about the blue screen of death because the software would crash all time it did not have the memory Marie protection that we would insist on today and they didn't have much competition. I mean apple was in a very different market was not a direct competitor. Microsoft and that its own problems in any case so I think the the best thing that ever happened to Microsoft Windows was the line system because Microsoft suddenly had a competitor and had to be we good and quality obviously increased because Linex from Barry early days. I did the whole UNIX paradigm where ran protected memory. Your process was protected couldn't ruin another processes memory. We had under staying things about how to keep systems from crashing from UNIX Knicks since the nineteen seventies and all of that went into linex immediately <hes> whereas windows I I kinda copied the vaccine. PMS API IF I'm not mistaken in but they didn't really get the memory protection in writing for a long long time and part of that also the hardware they had to run up obviously seep news improved moved as time went on and got protection that I think might not have been in eighty eighty six so we we had a system. That was very desirable to industry. There was also the system that the BSD system lagged behind technically at that time the bi St researchers were using a kind of disc that was much more expensive then then the kind that computer amateurs and individuals could get their hands upon so the St didn't really work as well gala Linex for a lot of people because it didn't work on their hardware in jail later on and actually I think the license handsome affect a to I think the GPL was instrumental to the Grove Linex at a time when people were less willing to contribute contribute software and the B. S. D. licensed did not mandate that they contribute that software so I think it'd be. St Expanded more slowly because of that now at the time the world of software had become hum very intellectual property oriented mostly copyright and you really can't try that back to Bill Gates being upset about while I made this Microsoft program everyone pirated instead of paying for it so the the Paradigm Nisa hadn't started before I think if you were a big computer customer it might not have started before because you paid for the hardware where the software was always free because it wouldn't run on anything else in there wasn't really a reason to protect the software that you you know competitors had different instruction sets they had different hardware connected to the CPU so everyone everyone at the time was very impressed with the growth of Microsoft is a business where obviously it started with two guys. Senate dominated in the software industry and we had before then the whole world of media where copyright is obviously been important Horton since Victor Hugo wrote Lamesa rob and so we were going against this whole Intellectual Property Paradigm. We weren't throwing it out completely but we were using it to do the opposite. That's why it's copy left left instead of copyright we used copyright to make people share instead of to to make people not copy beat and Oh gosh I remember the famous. LINEX is a cancer that eats all your intellectual property and that was so great for us. I mean you know there's Craik. Mundi is the vice-president of Microsoft and he has obviously driven totally insane by what we're doing and people looked at Microsoft oft and said Hey look these guys are really scared. Let's look at the slide. Stop so so I think that Microsoft for years was just the perfect foil because does everyone loves the fight and the press loves defy they write about it and I could get in fights with Microsoft and the covered by all of the online press and Microsoft would say something and reporters would call me up and so we didn't spend a dime on public relations we did we had a PR person who sort a volunteer. She still with me today. She actually made a ton of money. Because I've center a lot of businesses as time has gone on and more our company has got interested in open source but she was a volunteer so it was just very entertaining and exciting citing how the world was sort of beating right to our door beating trailed to our door and it was very interesting. How business took it up because they looked at Oji we pay millions and millions the dollars for Microsoft desktop licenses or we could just get free software and the free software was attractive than it. It was more attractive because for the most part did break and it was also more attractive because programmers hate isolating bugs and then talking to the vendor about fixing them because it always puts the programmer in a pleading relationship like here. I've got a bug I I've gotta convince the company that it is you know so I've got convince the needle listen to me about the bug and I've got to convince the company to fix the bug and then I've got to wait for the company to fix the bug in it could be years and this was very frustrating to ooh programming most programmers would have liked to have the source code just fix the bug and so that got it and they started started doing it and it worked at the Swiss. Just this you know obviously Richard stalled in talks about freedom but this was freedom in another way because suddenly I didn't have to plead with a company and I could get my work done and yet that is the freedom that richards talking about and so I think it it just worked in credibly in companies and we're at the point today where business is just built on open source software and you know I sit sit back and wonder well. When's this going to change and I don't see it happening. You know we'll open source die. Someday movements eventually the guy. Will there be a resurgence of intellectual property will will software businesses figure out how to be so good the proprietary software replaces open source while they're not doing it so this is very fun and it's it's just fun sitting here you know at least twenty two years after I've started things and sometimes even longer and just seeing all of these threads threads that I worked on a very long time ago. Come together and the world who's doing what I told the world to do you you know all that time ago and never thought. I'd really be quite so successful so this is very entertaining to watch it happen. Okay well well final question. I just like to get your perspective on some of the licensing changes that have occurred in some of the open source businesses. This is so the changes to the Mongo. DB licenses the elastic license do these things matter what do they symbolize in the history of Volpin source while this is a blast from the past and and I say that sarcastically because before we had open source I we had educational use only software we had share where we had software with very limited and controlling licenses and to use entertainment term. None of this stuff had legs. It didn't get very popular. It didn't build the big communities it didn't have the sharing and getting fixed I by many people paradigm that we have now and so we have a number of licenses which would like to be open source with less freedom and I think there are a lot of people who Kinda don't get that when you start taking out the freedom it doesn't work anymore and so I look at all of these open talk with less freedom licenses and I'm mostly just boring and the only part of it I really reject and will keep rejecting is not that people are making these bad licenses. You can make any license if you want but that they would like to call a licensed open source when it really isn't and there are lots of people Boulou wear saying well things have changed in the open source initiative should relax the rules and and less savvy these licenses would is less freedom that are called open source. There's one particular. VC Moose particularly obnoxious about it did I. I've gotten I've actually invited him to this commercial open source conference that we're having so I'll probably get to discuss it with him. I'm a bit but we're not gonNA do that. We're not going to change fundamentally changed the rules of open source and thus people people have started to make other campaign so heather meeker the attorney. She's my attorney. She's very good and <hes> <hes> another attorney. Have something called poly. Forums and polly forums is home for licenses that are not open open. Source may be there as close to open choices. They feel they can get and I don't really see it taking off. I helped them out a a bit because they're my friends and I didn't want them to get things wrong and most of all I did want them to call it open source and so oh they're not calling it open source and I'm fine but it's boring and open sources more exciting because it's all of these wonderful things that happen about it which licenses with less freedom don't get all of those synergies so so my message to the people who would like to use these various licenses many who are making software use by software as a service miss companies. Please use any licensed you like if it doesn't comply with the open source definition. Please don't call it open source and then we'll get along bruce parents. Thanks for coming on software engineer. That's been really fun talking to you. It's been great to talk with you. Thanks very much software. Engineering daily reaches thirty thousand ingineers every weekday and two hundred and fifty thousand engineers every month. 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Netflix's 64 million question

Talking Tech

04:41 min | 1 year ago

Netflix's 64 million question

"With total design freedom industry-leading features and twenty four seven support wicks has everything you need listen up after the show to find out how you can take advantage of wicks of special you deserve a website that's dynamic as you are business blog beekeeping whatever your thing is you can turn it into a unique website at wicks dot com and any competition apple TV's another ball of wax they've only got eight shows premiering on November first in three of them are kid did so it's basically only five added six point seven million short of the projection which was seven million but this company is kicking behind let's talk about rating the highest rated scripted TV show is on CBS it's called NCIS and it averages twelve point five million per week spot though. I'm a little skeptical that Netflix can remain number one here's why this week Disney released a trailer three and a half hours long we're talking everything from the lady and the tramp a new version the original Snow White Lizzie lose a few subscribers but when it's all said and done none have the variety diversity and quality of new original programming that we are okay now there's another Netflix series called unbelievable which is actually terrific as a stranger things it's docudrama limited series about two because they rarely ever talk about ratings but they threw in some eye-popping viewership numbers with the earnings release like strangers wicks the most technologically advanced website building platform out there brand new startup big business or intergalactic empire wicks gives anyone the freedom to create for the new programs that it's going to premiere on Disney plus when it launches on November twelfth two trailers three and a half hours long not worried it's not worried let me fill you in on today's episode Talking Tech I'm Jefferson Graham Netflix. Said there's GonNa be some noise Oh netflix competes with that bull find out These original programs on Netflix are going to have to be really good as they've been so far when athletes has producing around the world Netflix said now Netflix just announced their earnings they didn't gain may subscribers as they had projected Disney is pouring it on and of course you've got Disney and Pixar and marvel and Lucasfilm and National Geographic and twentieth century Fox I don't know Lisa officers trying to solve a rape case eight episodes thirty two million people have tune in for the first twenty days which puts netflixing a pretty audio and I'll be back tomorrow with another quick it from the world of Tech Talking Tech is brought to you by wicks got a business that needs a professional website series so if I was Netflix I would not be concerned about apple. TV I would be concerned about Disney. We'll see what happens I'm Jefferson Graham you're listening to talking tech Aguire the TV show a new version of Star Wars live action series called Mandolin it goes on and on and on thanks the third season premiered July fourth sixty four million people watched sixty four million people and that's over four week period ours are kicking in on November first with apple and

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Star Wars, Deadpool, Sesame Street, Toy Story 4, Seth Rogen, Gambit

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27:21 min | 2 years ago

Star Wars, Deadpool, Sesame Street, Toy Story 4, Seth Rogen, Gambit

"Hello, everyone and welcome to slash on daily for timber. Twenty eighth two thousand eighteen on today's episode. We're gonna talk about the latest film and TV news is last shown editor chief Peter Saretta joining me to spike Aslan writers. Why turn buoy hey everyone in Chris Vangelis STA alot guys. It's it's Friday. And when will this week be over. That seems like a long one humor hours left. Yeah, there's all this, you know, stuff that's going on in politics and our own Jacob hall is out, you know, cover tastic Festus week. So we've been kind of in Abend traveling. So we've been, you know, short staffed and there's been, I feel more news this week than there was in the previous three weeks combined. Like literally I was putting together this podcast end. In the last thirty minutes, three stories broke, which completely changed our plan for this podcast. So you know, we should get to those stories, get to the big breaking stories. And let's start that off with Star Wars because he can't give any bigger than Star Wars. And the big news is that Kathleen Kennedy is returning as look as film president, Chris, would we know? Yes. So after solo Star Wars story didn't do that. Well, at the box office, there were rumors swirling all over the internet specifically on YouTube where literally anyone can report on anything. If they have a camera claiming that Kathleen Kennedy was out, I actually had someone at me on Twitter literally saying, I know for a fact, Kathleen Kennedy has already been fired, and you'll see, I swear to God. You have a same youtuber said that what dark Phoenix wasn't even going to be released. I think yes, the more of the story is people on YouTube are wrong, but so yeah. In light of all these rumors news just broke that Kathleen Kennedy has reappeared deal to be Lucas film president for at least three more years. So for three more years, Kathleen Kennedy will still be running all things Star Wars, and Indiana Jones and other Lucasfilm properties. I think you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories out there that hated last June. I, you know that are you know, declaring, you know, the reason why solo bombed was because of them. You know, they think that, you know she hasn't handled this well, obviously, was usury shoots for not just solo but rogue one. But you know, I've liked the output so far and I'm I'm a fan of Kathleen Kennedy. What she's doing HT would you have save us? I'm so happy that this story broke and just through all the detractors wrong, I'm I'm not happy just for that sense, but it was a big factor. I think Kevin Kennedy is get her job and she shepherded so many great films over the years. And yes, Star Wars had had had some very public troubles, but I think that's because such big property and she still has a bigger success too. Failure ratio. So I'm happy that she signed on for more years at Lucasfilm, and I hope that now that she is set for the next three years, she will encourage more diversity behind the scenes and hopefully pick more female directors and crew for the films which she's often been criticized for. The the big problem here. And I know we've talked about this in the past is that you know she kind of tried to hire a bunch of upping common, some new talent to direct these Star Wars films, and that kind of, I think, bid her in the behind quite a bit. And you know, I, I wanna see her hire female Star Wars director, but it's hard to do that in less you're going for the, you know, the two female directors that you know have done, huge movies. So I do hope that she finds a balance of finding, you know, up and coming talents and pushes, you know the diversity in the way she has been, you know, without falling prey to, you know, the problems that Lucasfilm has been having in the past Chris. Are you happy about this news? I am. I am thrilled especially after this week which is just been a living hell. In many ways. The fact that finally finally winey baby men. Are not getting their way in one way is just very exciting to me. And you know, not just because that but Kathleen Kennedy, I know everyone look. I don't think I'll be able to understand how filmmaking works like a lot of you will think, producers don't actually do anything, but a producers do a lot, and Kathleen Kennedy has been volved in so many move like ET and all the Indiana Jones. People act like, you know, she doesn't do anything. She's had a hand in so many like classic movies, you know, yes, solo didn't work out, but you know, to throw her out completely because of that is is silly. So I'm glad this is happening. Yeah, and inches that for three more years, which I think like, you know, if she had signed a deal to come on for another year and finish a, you know, episode, nine e- you know, that might have not been as big of a thing as this. I think this shows that Bob idir you know, loves what she's doing in, wants her back for more the the other big news story that just. Hits is that we found FOX's releasing a new dead pool film at the end of this year. This just like dropped on top of us, but. I guess the story does. It gets a little bit less interesting from there. Yes. So are lazy Friday afternoon was shattered when Twentieth Century Fox on the scheduled a quote untitled deadpool movie unquote to open on December twenty first twenty eighteen and after we were all reeling from this news, it was revealed that this was actually a PG thirteen release of deadpool two. So this is a release. It's coming seven months after deadpool two, I hit theaters in may and it's now coming out December just in time for the family holidays, which is when exactly you wanna take your family out to see dead full too. I, I wonder, you know, we know that Disney is acquiring FOX. Do you think is it too early that this could be a Disney decision to do the like? It sounds very Disney. I think like cynically it's on it. Hospitable because the deal is based essentially sentenced stone, but it's also seems to be in line with a series of other release date pushbacks that they just implemented, which is elite, battle angel and dark Phoenix. So a legal battle angel was originally set to open on that December twenty first twenty eighteen slot, but has now been pushed back to February fourteenth and dark. Phoenix settlement to run then is now opening in the summer on June. Seventh, this is crazy because the first trailer for dark Phoenix just came out this week in, you'd think you'd think they made the decision to to to move this film that they would have waited on on, you know, the marketing train. What do you think? I wonder if it's because there was better reception than they anticipated for the trailer. And it gave them a little faith in the film, and they decided to push it to a summer slot is what I'm optimistic. Here. I mean, June is like a strong slot and it's a, it's basically a summer opening for this movie which has had several delays in lots of production issues. So maybe it means that this movie will be good on the other side of the coin. That'll leader the Robert Rodriguez directed movie with the story by James Cameron. What do you think of this? Well, what do you? Why do you think they this is push back from this year total next year, right? Yeah. This doesn't look good for Lita battle angel because December is, you know, big family, big holiday like slot, and they push it essentially to the dead zone of February. So it seems like they're kind of bearing this film and I don't really blame them just from what I've seen in the trailers at least does look good and I, as you know, I'm big anime fan. I never watched battle angel, but they took some weird steps with this film I buy. You know, digitally altering everyone Alitas is at least to make her look have anime is which is just the complete a wrong sort of choice to make for an anime adaptation. I dunno, it's very strange, creative choice. Maybe it'll work in the film, but I don't think that this is FOX's putting a lot of faith in this film. I just have not interested in the movie at all. I mean, it may be has a better chance of being good than Denham put that saying much venom fan who wrote in today. We're to to venom fans in in one of them admitted that it looked like. But they were going to see it. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm not trying. I'm making fun of her or listeners. We love you guys. Let's move onto the other news that just hit in the last forty, five minutes and that is that they're making a Sesame Street movie with some interesting creatives earth this up for the site would we know. Yeah. So Sesame Street movie has been in some sage development or another since at least two thousand twelve, but nothing's really gotten off the ground, but now Portland Lia coat, co-creator, Jonathan crystal has been hired to direct a Sesame Street movie, so it seems like they're finally moving forward with this and it'll finally get off the ground and Shawn Levy is one of the producers, believe it or not. So yeah, it looks like that's happening at water brothers, one brothers now own Sesame Street because HBO bought it from PBS and HBO is owned by one or brothers. So there you have it the more, you know. Do you have any idea what the take on this story is I'm assuming nuts. It just says it's going to be a musical. There's no plot or anything listed yet. So apart, he wonders if they're going to take the approach of the two thousand eleven Muppets movie or sort of like reboot, and but I really don't know. I know as a kid, I was a huge fan of the movie follow that bird which I think came out in like. The ABC's maybe I eighty five eighty five and I think it might have been a home video release. I'm not even sure, but it wasn't a great film and it was really big. Bird had gone on the run, and everybody was out trying to find him or is big bird a guy or girl. I, I guess we all guy guy. Okay. Yeah, but they don't have any genders according to the crater Burton Ernie who says they're just best buds are either of you fans of Portland area. I seen a couple of sketches but not a big fan. I was a fatal like the first two seasons, but I felt like a kind of like ran out of steam. If a while, does the involvement in Jonathan the co-creator that show? Does that have you any interest at all in watching a family friendly? You know, just me street movie. I don't not really. I mean, I really liked that Muppets movie, but the Muppets have always been more like adult dr-. I mean, you know, obviously there for kids, but adults can enjoy it too. But Sesame Street is really geared towards younger audiences. So I don't know. I think maybe they could play on the nostalgia of that. You know, Jesus eagle, the Muppets movie. I feel like you're probably right. It's probably going to be geared towards very little children and probably not, you know, have that. Dual quadrant appeal, but I'm curious what the next story is Toy Story four will. I is being compared to of all movies, avengers and Finnity war itchy. Tell us about it. Yes. So Toy Story, four, which is the film set to follow twice or three the and which is kind of seen as the perfect cathartic capper to a great trilogy full, supposedly make you cry your pants off again. So longtime franchise star. Tim Allen has said that he couldn't even watch the entirety of Toy Story four just because he got so emotional. He said, in a quote, it is so emotional. It's so funny. It's so big, the idea they came up with, I'm startled I couldn't even get through the last seen so he doesn't get into the plot details of it, but Toy Story, four will supposedly follow Woody and buzz as they embark on a quest to find what is romantic love and trust in the first film Bo peep. And this is saying something that this film will make you cry as much even more than Toy Story. Three because every Pixar film makes you cry, but toys. Laura? Three, I think was quite a tear Jerker. Like, do you think that we're gonna lose either buzzer, or would you like, do you think they could do that to us? Like I feel that's being hinted towards us like I would hate it. I, I, I mean, I have owned, come played feelings about killing off character just for some sort of shocking emotional reaction, a my big cry and towards her through soccer Feis or something. I mean, I guess, but that's that's the kind of emotional manipulation that take that tilted a little too far. In my opinion, I might pine Toy Story three was the end when you know you see Andy playing toy Toy Story, three rd. Sorry for movie that came out like seven years ago. Yeah, but he was playing with his toys for one last time and you know it was like it was something that was more than just loss. It was something that I think that Pixar films really get to really well which is more than just and like they get. They do that too, but they do something a little more than just like sat death or sat. I'd like that kind of sad reaction. So we'll see, Chris, are you ready to ugly cry over twice? Very four. I guess I'm a little skeptical this because I thought twi- Sary's three was such a perfectly ending to entire like it just seems like a cash grab at this point. Like we're doing Toy Story again, like I'd rather Pixar would do more regional stock like they keep doing sequels and I get that. But I want more. I don't know. Like for so many years I was so excited for like, oh, a new original Pixar film and have them just keep doing Sam, then you got the good dinosaur. So yeah, that's true. So I don't know. You know, you're right. The Toy Story. Three was such great book end to the franchise, and I feel like I'm not sure I need another story and also I'm kind of I'm not sure how they're going to promote this movie. You know, John Lasseter was very involved in that franchise. And you know, he's obviously not at Pixar anymore, and there's, you know, a complicated failing around all that in this movie for kids. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see. I'm really wondering what the take is because I think so far, all we know is that it's a love story of some kind which from what I heard was inspired by Don Lasseter in the his, his wife, which I'm sure they will not play up at all in the Marquette. Having you say that just made me very uncomfortable, so they're probably going to that's not going to be in the press release. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Let's move on to our next story and that is that's Seth Rogan. We'll be pickled for a hundred years in his new movie. What is this film? Chris? Put, it's going. I forgot to open the stories. I was going to wing it because I, I remember what it was because it was so silly. So this is based on a short story from the New Yorker and the film involves Seth. Rogan plays a pickle maker in the. Sorry. Chris left this money. Let me preface this. I'm going to give you a little insider baseball. So yesterday of Orion report or not gonna name because I want to call anyone out. But he took to Twitter and he wrote incoming as a huge story was coming. And when we see that you know in in the slash home slash all gather around, we're all were wondering we all going to end our battle stations. We're like, all right, what's what's this big story are going to be is it? Is it Star Wars marvel? What's it going to be? And the story is literally this a movie about Seth Rogan playing a pickle maker. And when I saw I just my blood boil, it was like, really, this is the incoming. All right. So the story. Seth Rogan, please a pickle maker who falls any of pickles. And gets Brind for a hundred years. And then he wakes up and he meets his great grandson also played by Seth Rogan. So that's the movie. Seth Rogan gets pickled for one hundred years and then it meets his own great grandson. So there you have it. Hollywood has done it again. Wait. So. Is this like that Mel Gibson movie, but like the comedy version of it where he got furs in. Oh forever. Young. Maybe, but he didn't like meet his own. Great. You didn't play like his own great grandson. So we were pickles involved. What is what is the New Yorker story that's fun this like we're just called this, it's called out. So if you want to read it, Google sell out New Yorker. I Google New Yorker pickle story, and that's how I found it. So weird each day will you see Seth Rogan as a giant pickle on the big screen? And just, okay. I'm wondering we'll, he literally turn into a giant pickle. Will this be some sort of surrealist commentary on society or is he just like a green man? And then they're kind of like a like a metaphor for for we'd here or something. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, like I, honestly, when I first heard about this movie, I didn't read the details. I thought this was maybe a sequel to sausage party, which made sense to me, but now this makes less sense to me, but it sets against meeting lasts now just based on the premise of the movie. Maybe it'll be a great laugh when we watch it. So I don't know. Maybe I'll get on d on Blu Ray or something. I just can't even imagine the marketing like the poster. Can you imagine the poster, like Seth Rogan as a giant pickle, or like just like with the white background out, this is seems so ridiculous to me, but you know, not as ridiculous as making a movie about the x. men character gambit in making it a romantic comedy, right? HD. Yes. But also I will defend the romantic comedy while it right now. It has sort of strange of flagbearer for the CPA hero movie. So according to Simon Kimber, who is the x. men producer and the director of the upcoming dark Phoenix gambit, which is starring Channing Tatum who has been kinda rocking that weird floppy hair since like twenty sixteen will be a romantic comedy, or we'll have something akin to a quote romantic or sex, comedy beieve, and he chalks this up to when you look at. He's a hustler and a womanizer, and we just felt there was an attitude swagger to him that lent itself to the romantic comedy a. But then again, he also goes on to describe house, not really romantic comedy, like how Logan wasn't really a western because like you know, everyone thinks that Remigia comedies a dirty word, but he says, it's just the vibe and that gambit has a romantic or sex, comedy vibe to it. Okay. Gee, I know you are a big fan of romantic comedies and I, I actually have a soft spot for the, you know, the classic remit comedies like, you know, eighties nineties and stuff like that. But. Gambit, really? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I am itching for a superhero movie that will kind of cross that divide because we've seen superhero movies that have bent John res- with the heist movie the spy thriller the the western like with Logan. So I'm waiting for that romantic comedy. I don't know. Gambit is the one that I want to be the remit comedy. And I also think that the the having belief romantically be a hustler throw. A womanizer is just like a a tired trope from rom com that we don't need. So we'll see. I wonder woman did have some good rom come elements which made it so endearing to me. But yeah, I'm just maybe I'm just desperate for Marin common guys. I don't believe that you actually sold them this idea. I wish so against it and I was like our, no, you're right. Maybe like hitch where he is a player and he's throwing his okay. Now, now your love it. Now, now you can see it's a bad idea. Chris, Garretson a bad. I actually like decide, I, I like the idea of doing different things with superhero movies, not just doing the same crap over and over again. Like that's what made Logan, so cool. That was doing something there. So I'm not against this idea. I mean, gambit is a stupid character. So anything they do will make him better. So I'm not against it. Okay. Let's move on to our last story. And that is, you know, in Star Wars, the last June, I podium Arain kind of a disobeyed all his superiors. He took control of the resistance ship and didn't even kill people. I guess he pointing kill anybody, but he there was some some blaster fire going on there. So we all the Sumed right that put him around would be court martialed in episode. Nine because you know, you can't do that in. Military and get away with it. So. So Chris, was he court martialed? No, the opposite. He got a promotion in the marvel comic series. Star Wars PO Dammar in he is now a commander. He's now commander Dammar, and you know he in, you know, you could read the story. I slash dot confident boils down to. He's about to go on a mission and laya tells him calls it commander Dammar into this isn't a comic book. Great. The mortal Kombat series. I said, Star Wars, Kodama and it's issue number thirty one, and it makes sense just because the resistance is very depleted. I mean, yeah. Mandalay there was like ten people left. So I think it makes sense that rather than go through the active losing even more people, they've decided to, you know, promote them. And so now I guess by the time we see episode, you know the next door film Odom it's going to be a commander, so he's failing upward. Yeah, I was being facetious. I don't think anybody of any one of us actually expected him to be court martialed or to be demoted. But I do know that the resistance is a very small group at this point. But I don't. I don't get it h t Iran like for like thinking, I know he's a hero and I know we should be rooting for him. But I feel like. He should have been knocked down a step or two after. Yeah, I actually agree with you Peter. I think that's it's strange that he got no punishment just for for blatantly disrespecting orders. And I while disrespecting orders us like firing blasters at like it was insane an actual coup. Yeah, I, I mean, this will be sort of a time jump afterwards too. So maybe there will be punishment that takes place and we just don't see it happens off screen, but my feeling is that, yeah, they're kind of the numbers of depleted and they have really no choice, but to put him back as commander, I guess we'll find out if the address addresses at all when Star Wars of nine whenever it, whatever that is going to be called comes out next year, late late next year. That brings us to the end of today's slash from daily HT. You're not going to be here next week. You're going to be on a trip that we cannot talk about. You'll be far far away actually, that's that makes it sound like I was saying that you were going to set as Star Wars. That's definitely not happening. It's DJ will never allow any presence that I just met. You're going on an international trip? Yes. I can't say where I'm going actual. Okay. So I'm going to New Zealand. I'm not coming back until Thursday, but yes. So this'll be last, you see of me. You can find me every day though at slash film dot com. And I'm on Twitter at h TRAN Bui. We're excited to hear about your adventures at least the ones you can talk about when you come back on the water cooler, Chris, where can people find more your work on line? I'm at slams dot com and I'm on Twitter at sea, angels, four thirteen. You can find me at slash home on all social media. You can find all the stories we've talked about today on slash home dot com and lengthen the show notes. You can subscribe to slash on daily on itunes, Google play, overcast, Spotify, all the popular podcast apps, please feel free to send us your feedback questions, comments, concerns to Peter at Sasha dot com. And if you can take a minute, goad, who are itunes page, write us a very positive review, spread the word, tell your friends it. We'll see you on Monday.

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ICYMI: 2019 Tech Turkeys

Talking Tech

05:26 min | 1 year ago

ICYMI: 2019 Tech Turkeys

"Talking Tech is brought to you by Wicks business blog beekeeping. Whatever your thing is you can turn it into a unique website at Wicks dot com? Keep on listening after the show to find out how you can take advantage of their special offer for talking tech listeners. Okay thanksgiving is now behind us. And I've got one more serving of Turkey for you as promised a little earlier in the year. It's time for my annual Tech Turkeys of twenty nineteen. I'm Jefferson Graham. You're listening talking tech. This is a pretty easy one Who Do we choose from how about that new streaming service with only four scripted shows apple? TV plus hands down the Turkey of the year. It seemed pretty bad at the beginning. When they're the only those four shows but authen Disney plus came out just two weeks later with seventy five hundred episodes five hundred movies? I mean the entire Disney vault with practically plus Marvel Plus Pixar plus National Geographic Plus Fox plus Lucasfilm and just four shows an apple. TV plus. Yes it's four ninety nine pretty cheap. Yes it's free. If you buy yourself a new apple device but come on apple you could do so much better. I mean this is the company that brought us the iphone and the IPAD had an apple watch and the air pods and TV plus really in the same sentence. I don't think so. Here's the rest of the list. The Samsung Samsung fold a new phone selling for practically two thousand dollars. That doesn't work. Send it out to critics and it started falling apart they. They started delaying the release. Once it came out again. It's two thousand dollars. Who cares from there? We're going to talk about Netflix. If you've got an older roku player you're a Samsung. TV A busy TV. You find that there's technical difficulties that prevent you from watching Netflix. Well Netflix did a very poor job of explaining that they've changed software and they're making you go out and buy new devices bad bad bad bad Turkey. Turkey Turkey five G. It's the next next big thing and wireless it's supposed to be super fast for Reisen. At and T.. T. Mobile in sprinter all advertising. At and T.. Is available only by invitation. Mutation Verizon is only available on a few blocks DITTO for T. Mobile. It's in a location but on thirty seven th street it might work and thirty eighth it won't sprint. came out with their is. It actually works ish just a little slower than I would have expected. And they're charging a premium price for Turkey. Turkey sunsetting sunsetting. Anybody with an older iphone like the six found out in September that their phone will not be supported anymore if they want to get the news if they want to get any new software updates. I'm tired of these sunsetting things. I'm tired of Microsoft sunsetting window seven and making you get new software. You don't want I think that's a pretty lousy trend bricks. How many of you have unplugged one of your new tech gadgets? Only to find out that there's no no room to plug it in. Well that's that's my life Whether that be the Google home whether that be the Amazon Echo whether that be pretty much anything that comes in in here for review I have these six outlets strips in I can generally only fit to products in them because these bricks are giant. Let's make them smaller finally smart. TV's this year. We really realized that these smart TV's the ones with the built in internet. What are two way machines we turn them on and thus video and Samsung and Sony and other companies are reporting what we're watching watching? We're watching how long we're watching and so on and so on. It's a pretty lousy practice. What are you going to do well? ROKU OKU does. The same thing Amazon does the same thing with fire TV which brings us back to apple. Apple was the Turkey of the year when it comes to TV plus but when it comes to the Apple TV maybe set top box. They don't report our findings. They take our privacy seriously so they begin as a Turkey and they end as a hero. That's my list. What's on in yours would love to hear from you? Look for me on twitter where I'm Jefferson Graham. You've been listening to talking tech. Please subscribe to the show wherever you listen to online audio and I'll be back with you tomorrow with another quick cricket from the world attack you deserve a website. That's as dynamic as you are so use wicks the most technologically advanced website building platform. Out there. 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Game of Thrones vs. MCU: Which Is More Influential? - Mailbag

Collider Movie Talk

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Game of Thrones vs. MCU: Which Is More Influential? - Mailbag

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. It's Memorial Day sale at mattress firm this Friday through Monday get a ninety nine dollars. Peter s Queen mattress or Saturday only her into get are doorbuster, a free purple pillow with select mattress purchase, and get a king for the price of a clean and Queen Ferch win. Plus, get a free just based when you spend just four hundred ninety nine dollars. Hurry in east fields end Monday. Your budget stretches further at mattress firm doorbuster available while supplies last ninety nine mattress villebois installed. Restrictions apply to participating casual for over mattress firm. So I said. Happy Sunday morning. I'm welcome to another episode of collider mailbag. Yes, we're gonna get through our first Sunday post game of thrones. It's over. And we are here to help you and hold your hand and talk about certain questions that may relate to game thrones. We'll see. But we'll get through it together. I'm host John Rocca. And I am very honored to welcome. The general manager of movie phone and all around knowledgeable guy, about film. And of course, a schmo, down competitor over here. That's mad agitating. How are you? Good. Good. That's kind kinda hoping for like the classic radio Sunday Sunday, Sunday. Mailbox mad. Got your question. You'll by the whole CPA, Joel only used. Those were the best Virginia. I would hear them in my radio, all the time they were the best tons of monster truck. March. But we've got we've got questions I could match that kind of level of intensity, that's for sure. And you guys know how this works. I send out the questions or send out the calls rather on social media. You respond back with that hashtag collider mailbag. And also, sometimes you send emails asking us, maybe you don't like social media do that collider. Ameristar mailbag at collider dot com. And I pour through those questions to pick out about twenty to twenty five questions, send them onto my guests and they pick out five that they like I think we picked five really good ones. Yeah, yeah. Let's get to it. All right. First one is from Twitter. It's Debbie Scheckter. She asks, hey, at the Rocca says, and guest, will we ever find out why Jane foster was able to have the reality stone in her and not die? Like, we'll did with the power stone this, of course, that ether that she had inside of her that rocket raccoon took out during endgame. What's your answer? There man did quill die with the power stone. He did keep he almost done right. All right. So my take on this is we don't need to find out because it's in the movie that's in the name of the stones. Right. So then our stone like you've got to be more than. To hold the power stone, right? It's got so much power, right? Well, Jane Foster's and astrophysicist so what's going to happen, like she's gonna get filled with the reality stone and like suffer through more reality, what she's Nassar physcist, she her whole gig is reality by nature of reality. So I think she's okay. It's like what happens if you touch the time stone like you're on time now? Dr strings was fine. Yeah. Right. So I think really it depends on like my theory would be it depends on the stone. So I think she's probably like there's certain stones you could probably pick up. You know, maybe like the soul stone makes you dance better. Well, no. With either. So, I think and Thor said it innovation and gave me said, it's not a typical stone. It's more of that, that kind of thing, so it was, I think, in, in the door moving dark world. It's somebody says that the, the stone is defending, she's defending herself with the stone. But Thor corrections says the stone is defending itself from any attack. So I think it uses as a host body until it moves onto something else. Jane had I think for full day in Asgard. Then eventually they were able to get it out and extracted do whatever. So it's able to keep its host alive, but it obviously needs something other worldly other earth worldly to take it out, and contain it, and keep it from damaging everything else, which is, of course, what Chris Appleton's character Mallika was trying to do with either. So that's what I would say. It's, it's not a it's not that big of a deal that she was able to survive with it, because it was trying to keep itself alive. So she would keep its horror alive as well. All right. What's our next question? Our next question, k Deb. Writes via Email? Hello collider crew Rocca an awesome guest. Thank you. Yeah. You must've known I was very true. My questions regarding the future of Star Wars, specifically in China, the sequel trilogy and a Star Wars story films have not resonated with Chinese at all. And it seemed diminishing returns along with getting the Star Wars fan base back on board with the DNC trilogy and years, talking about Benny, awesome wise, who is going to be doing or so far are planning to knows what will actually happen. Right. What can Lucasfilm due to bring marvel size love to Chinese audiences? That seems to me to be one of the more important rose issues to address as they move forward. I thank you for taking my question and have a great holiday weekend. There you go. Thanks, chris. There will. Here's some numbers. I was doing some research on this in two thousand fifteen and force awakens, it has gone down there, take since then rogue. One earn only sixty nine point four million in China of it's one billion. That's insane. Last jet. I was out in two weeks. That's it and solo Star Wars. Story only came up with just three million dollars on its opening day. A lot of people say that it's because the original chills, you was never screened in China. So it never got that kind of like foothold in the imagination of the Chinese people. It could also just be that there's something about Star Wars that doesn't appeal to the mythology or the culture of the lore of China within its construct. Yeah. I think it's more about the original screening right by I think look like part of the success of Star Wars worldwide. Is that Lucas wrote it the especially the first one as kind of the broad strokes heroic journey. Yeah. Right. Like Joseph Campbell's work about hero with a thousand faces and, and that, that story is intentionally set to be accessible by anyone. And right. And there's versions of the hero's journey that are in Chinese mythology. Right. So really if anything it's that it just hadn't been shown there. I think that's probably the number one reason the other issue though, is that, you know as much as the. The Star Wars movies have now been shown in China. The Chinese market is very complicated in. Yeah. In that the movies have to get movies that are made by outside studios have to be approved to show there. And so one of the things you'll see is you'll see some filmmakers, some studios will add something that appeals to the Chinese market, right specifically to get past those sensors and get allowed to me, one of the most glaring examples of that is in the transformers movies with. Where they're like, oh, we're not going to let Hong Kong get destroyed. Right. Like you're gonna bring the Dino, right. We're in China the old. But that's the thing is, is they show that scene where where I believe it's Hong Kong is. Yeah. Under attack. And they make a big show of showing like the Chinese leadership saying, we are going to protect Hong Kong. Right. That's the thing that's going to get past the central be like, oh, yes. Sure. We'll, we'll let you get show this movie here that's harder to do with the Star Wars. Now, if I was going to be real cynical, do, I think that casting, somebody like Kelly Marie TRAN in, in as rose in solo in last, isn't it? It is an attempt to kind of get a foot in the door there. Maybe. Yeah. Like I she's not Chinese right? But you know, having an Asian character Asian actor in a primary role like that is, you know, doesn't hurt. I think they've got more work to be done. So I don't know that it's necessarily failure in China. I think that there's tough competition at what Star Wars doesn't have. There is the history that everybody else's hardwired going back to nineteen seventy seven. Yeah. That's a good point. Because like you, you look at marvel people like looking at how well marvel doesn't China will marvel is a new Incan is only been the last ten years, right, this really blown up and the Chinese market has progressed and developed and become more worldly and global in the films that are shown there. And I think you're right. I think, you know, obviously, you're right that they have to be approved. But I wonder if there are edits done. I've heard some things like certain edits are done to make it more palatable for that. It seems easier to do in the marvel universe more, it's more global approach to things. So that's a possibility there. We'll see what Ben Evan Weiss do we'll see more Asian characters appear or Tiny's characters appear actors rather. That's all that happened, obviously with independence day they had a Chinese pilot, a resurgence that was their way of trying to get through the market. So we see that all the time now and we'll see if star have been f- in Weiss do that going into the star was situation. I mean, I'm glad. He wrote it up. I'm not entirely confident that we're gonna see Benny often wise. Make it all the way to actually developing shooting a movie. Wow. I mean really if come, I think you could see the people that crossover between being Star Wars and game of thrones fans something to really push back on what they're going to do. And maybe Disney Lucasfilm goes into different direction and bring somebody else in right. I mean look like you can talk about movies the development till they start shooting, like I never believe, in movies actually going to happen until they actually start shooting. Wow. Well, I mean it's supposed to be twenty twenty two. So we certainly have three more years before the film comes out, supposedly, and working with Ryan Johnson, who was big controversial would last jet, I so maybe both all three of them. Go right out, this is Catherine. Kennedy is hinging her extension on her contract on these six movies with these creators, because they're supposed to be working together to make all six of these movies. Connect. So it would be interesting if they if comes down the road and creative differences, again. Push push out another team of directors like Lord Miller with solo. All right. Let's vulnera- next question. It's an Email from BP PK golf at net zero dot net rights, will we see Kurt Russell play stuntman, Mike in Tarantino's once upon a time in Hollywood. We know from death proof stuntman, Mike worked in Hollywood in late sixties will tarintino, D, H Russell or have in play the father to stop man. Mike and stop man Bob, Bryan night. Would he say they're matter? I would be shocked if he was digitally de aged. Yeah. Can't imagine Tarantino doing that. They might use makeup or they might just not explain. Right. I mean, Terry, I wouldn't see, I wouldn't put it past Tarantino to just cast him as stuntman Mike and then just not care. Yes. Put it as an Easter egg. And, you know, I mean look like could you do a little bit makeup wise to try and make carousal look a little bit younger. Sure. You know, the flipside is in-depth proof aside from the use of cell phone. Like there's not a lot that really pegs it into twenty true. Some whatever the twenty first century, right? Like aside from the cell phones that story could kind of take place anywhere. Still, it feels very much like it has a seventy five even though it's obviously has cell phone. So it's puts it somewhere in the early two thousands or late nineties. Yeah. Right. You know, and who knows maybe stuntman, Mike, vampire? Well, the other stories a day Walker. Right. Right. Could be blade blade, but a stunt man Bob is supposedly Stockman. Mike's older brother. So curb also could be playing style, ma'am. Bob who got some Mike into the stunt business or he could be playing the debt and that's certainly possible. But I think Matt makes a great point Tarantino, never goes out of his way necessarily to attach these things. He lets the fans enjoy the possibility like Vic in Vincent Vega, nev- rarely, I think, rarely mentioned that they had a brother or another brother doing what I don't know if they even mentioned Jesse. So there was rumors about out tarintino written a script about the big brothers and was going to shoot that with Madsen and Travolta, never got around to it. So he lets the fans kind of create their own methology about it. So that's certainly possible here. This is sixty nine. So how old would stop may might be the aging? I is not really Tarantino thing. So being the data I can buy, or, or even being the older brother, I can all or certainly possible. Looking like a Russell, but it's just nice seeker. Russell in the movie, I would say, what's our next question. Next question is from an Email. It's Anthony Potosi, who writes, Hello collider crew with the massive success of female leads superhero films, such as wonder woman, and captain marvel. Do you think it's time for an r rated hit girl solo film? Thanks and keep up the great work. I like this idea because a hit girl is not necessarily attached largely to DC or marvel. Right. I think it is a DC property at think, but it's not attached to them like as a big thing. So to me, I liked it a kick ass came up and did it's thing did ninety six million worldwide the sequel, not so, well, sixty point seven million worldwide. So you ask yourself, a what was that? What was the difference? I think quality of movie was the difference there. The first one was really good. I don't know chlorine, khloe grace mallrats, though, is the one to sell your film to make it a big deal you can do a reboot of hit girl. And I think it would kick ass. Like term. Alright it would be fantastic. We haven't seen an are rated female lead superhero film. We've seen it on the male side. So that would be a fun thing to explore input into and don't give me barb wire for God's sakes. I think that we want to explore Devon already to kick a hit girl film. Yeah. Yeah. I you know, it's complicated. Right. Because the business aspects of that, you know, the Miller verse that had been acquired alright FOX. Well, that's under the Disney banner. Right. Right. And so that's gotta throw that whole development slate up in the air. It's tough to imagine that now that with Disney owning Twentieth Century Fox that they're going to do. You know, it's enough of a stretch to get them to continue on with deadpool. Right. Who can you imagine deadpool with the reality stone talk about somebody who's not ready to hold reality? Right. I'm it's hard to imagine them doing hit girl. The way that, that character would be expected by the fans. I think there's plenty of other options out there. I mean look like if we're talking about female superhero, I, I would love to see a she hulk. Oh, yeah. She hoped movie where like she's just trying to like, get her law practice done, and she doesn't want to fight crime. Right. And you know, maybe going back to the John Byrne days, the John Byrne one when she would break the fourth wall. Right, right. Like somebody who isn't is insane about about it as, as deadpool is, I think that one's ripe for a really good Adam station, there's complications because of kind of the universal rights or paramount. Yeah. I think that maybe I think it's gonna be a long shot to get that one done. I you know, there's probably a lot of other good female characters out there. Honestly, like I think lumber Janes had make for great great adaptation. If you've ever read that book, that's terrific book. I think that would be really fun to do. That's a great reference. Yeah. Absolutely Lumberton is fantastic. And we'll see an rated an order to superhero film, led by women. I think the time is coming soon. That we've got the mobile, one woman their success. But we'll see what you said like Disney owning FOX is gonna make it really hard for any all rated superhero film to come out let alone a female lead already superhero. Friendly, never know listened, the bold one to do would be black widows and are rated right. Like do that. As a as an RA did, like heart like John wick. Yeah. Right. Like turn that into something in the John wick area, which would absolutely be in line with black widow as a character, especially if you're doing a prequel that would be awesome. Well, that's a great point. Because black widow is more hard core in the comics, and they keep bringing up. Budapest between her and Hawkeye. So clearly Budapest was a turning point where she kind of realized that she'd become way, too vicious as, as a assassin, and maybe wanted to make that change to be more of heroic person or make up for the deeds that she'd done in the past when she was program. We had those flashbacks, so there's certainly a lot to explore there with her own already decided the bad news. We and he got that movie, although it's a great race Caro. No, it's called atomic blonde. Oh, yeah. Good point. The Shirley's thrown filmed, very sexy film, right? This one. Do our last question here. It's, it's an Email from the asks Helo Roca and most welcome guest is with game of thrones ending in the MCI finishing the Infinity saga to ten years, spanning entertainment events, have concluded two questions. Which do you think is more has had more influence on pop culture in which will be more spoken highly of in ten years time? Thanks for taking my question. No hesitation answer to both question. Is Infinity saga? Yeah, I look, I liked the game of thrones saga Ben on board with that. I was. Not terribly disappointed by the ending like it could have been better, obviously. But I think there's more stuff happening in the Infinity saga and the way that's invaded. Pop culture, partly because game of thrones ultimately as much as, as in the press, we followed it, and it's got kind of high adoption rate with people that cover movies, and entertainment fans. That's still a so much smaller audience, then the audience that is consumed the marvel cinematic universe, right? Just by numbers alone. Yes. So much bigger. And so, you know, people will in ten years, talking about iron man, and captain America and Thor and everybody else in there in a way that nobody, you know, the most the big news, you're going to get out of game of thrones in the next three or four years is the continued delays of the books. Right. Right. Right. That's I mean look, I'd love for those books to be finished. But I think we're gonna get more news that they're going to keep getting laid. You know, maybe the prequels will take off. They won't hit us quite as hard. I think we're gonna move on. I think as Star Trek continues to ramp up that's going to distract the audience point. I, I think there's only enough head space for all of us to focus on maybe four or five big franchises at a time. And the next fantasy franchise, I think amo thrones is going to have a hard time holding onto everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, look at these questions are more influence on pop culture and spoken, highly of in ten years time already we've seen a number of think pieces this entire week about how this game of thrones series finale, maybe the worst series finale ever for a number of factors not about acting direction or whatever more about the rush and the story lines and the level of expectations that people had that came crashing down to earth after that series finale. A lot of people feel the way you feel mad that it wasn't that bad name joined it for what it was. But as a definitely a lot of ardent people who are upset very loud. About the entire season. Not just the series finale. Whereas with marvel the end vendors endgame, people are incredibly happy with how that whole thing ended. And they, they're looking forward to see what happens next by far from home is coming. That's gonna make a lot of money for sure. And we'll see what Feigin ounces coming down the road for marvel but people are waiting in anticipation for what's going to happen next. I think there are people waiting for anticipation for the REX supposedly, the continuing adventures of aria, whatever that prequel is with NAMI watts but you're right. There's now a lot of I think a lot of upset feelings, not just from viewers who watched the show, but also book readers who are waiting for these books and George are. Martin keeps delaying and I'm sure I'm not the only one that when he released a statement that he wrote out people like well that's time you just took away from finishing the book to write that statement. You could have been finishing the book. So there's a lot that goes into game of thrones. I think it will influence the form culture to a degree. But there's no way that game of thrones changed television as we know what we're as the MC you changed movies. As we know it in terms of creating a superhero genre. The now more and more artists of higher higher quality are being drawn and attracted to an Oscar nomination. Yeah, I think you're gonna really good point there, I think in, in very broad strokes. I think game of thrones is gonna get mentioned the way lost is if anything influences going to be when somebody's wrapping up a series, the pressures who'd be like, oh, it used to be. I don't want to end this like loss now. It's like in this like lost and game of thrones. Yeah, that's that's going to be the ten year. Man. That's my prediction, the way people talk about in ten years, but I think the short term and even long-term with the marvel cinematic universe is you're going to see, you know, we're already seeing more people wanting to do these quote unquote shared universal. Right. And what we forget about marvel is that there was a. Because marvel had sold the rights to all of their kind of Tiffany characters, right man, and the fantastic four, even though those are terrible movies. Those were the, the big names out of marvel x-men Spiderman fan. Right, and those all got sold to other studios. And so in the absence of the heavy hitters Feigen had to produce movies where they had to kind of, you know, make people connect the old fashioned way. Good point ahead to write. Good characters. Right. And so we've seen something that functions like a TV show in that you get invested in these characters, and you have real investment. Right. We tune into TV shows because we're invested in the character lasts about the event. And so, that's what's happened with marble. And I think a smart studio will remember that right. I think the studios that have made mistakes are the ones who try and fast track it, right. Right, right, right. The DC expanded universe. I think they did too quickly. Yes, I think they for whatever I'm not going to get into and about how good those movies are. I think they didn't connect with the audience didn't get you invested in the character. I think the dark universe that universal tried to do the same thing. So I think you, I think a smart producer is gonna come at this and look at the marvel cinematic universe and say you know what it is. It's about the characters that I can have group episodes, and then bottle episodes and still get people invested. Yeah. Right. And that's I look. And that's a great influence to have. Because if that's how you change the business, and you consistently deliver movies that satisfied the audience, and are quality movies and make money. Yeah, great. Yeah, exactly. They'll be another game of thrones. Right. W other I don't know if they'll be another ten year. Influential movie franchise it changes the medium. That's the thing you, you can go from mash to friends to let me start at mash to cheers to friends to breaking bad to the sopranos to, to a lesser degree the wire. And now to game of thrones. They'll be another show like game of thrones coming down the pike soon. I rare to see another ten year franchise like that could happen, right? Like we look back at like the cultural icon that JAMES BOND is yeah, but that was a book series, right? Three books in before. They started those movies. Yeah. Right now, granted we're talking about forty fifty years at this point, who was the first ones are in the sixties. But that could be done right. Could it be done as fast as the marvel movies? That's tough because you're gonna find something that nobody's really done successfully before. But is it out there? Sure it's absolutely out there. Absolutely. Could do that yet to find. You know, can you find the right the right property? That's got enough. Love out there. Totally right. I'm not going to give you any ideas because all develop them myself. Well said, whether you go, I will thanks everybody for watching this episode of collider mailbag. It's been a pleasure to answer your questions will always love getting questions in pouring through them, and really the specificity and the extensive questions are incredibly fun to read. I would encourage you ought to keep the questions the three to four sentences. They make it easier to pick 'cause we spend time reading them that takes time away from the overall length of the show. So recommendation to you, all try to not make him four or five paragraphs long. They rarely get selected when they are, although I enjoy reading them and answering them for myself, they rarely get on the show. So keep two three or four cents to make it easier for us to pick. I wanna thank Matt actually for stopping by here was blessed where we're people. You know, you could find me on Twitter at matchy. You can find me, you know, poking around on the movie phone site. I've got my movie review podcast. I knew what the Lonzo giraldi Christie la- miracle breakfast all day. We're doing movies. And then for our patriots subscribers were doing TV. Recaps trailer reactions, so I'm around you can find me from time to time trying to make it through the smell down time. Right. Maybe next time I won't get just smokes. Like I did at that free for all the free for all. That was brutal. Yeah, you never know what you're gonna get with their sat out to be beyond him for a how good he isn't that once again. Thank you, all for sending the questions in member. 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Obi-wan, Uncharted, Anaconda, Mean Girls, Marvel TV, MGM, Criterion Collection and Bambi

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28:00 min | 10 months ago

Obi-wan, Uncharted, Anaconda, Mean Girls, Marvel TV, MGM, Criterion Collection and Bambi

"Hello everyone and welcome to Sasha Day. Wait for Monday. January twenty seventh twenty twenty on. Today's upset weren't talk for the latest film and TV news. There's a slash home editor-in-chief and chief Peter Saretta enjoying the podcast. This weekend editor Brad. Hey let's meet and writer watcher and boy so it's Monday Monday. We're all back at the office and some news hit since the last time we talked over the weekend and some stuff on Friday. So let's get into. Let's start first with Disney. Let's talk about There live action. remakes of these animated classics. The next one coming up is going to be of Bambi per head. Why well lion king was such a huge hit at the box office last year so it looks like Disney wants to a dig back into their lineup of stories also feature through an all animal cast and of course they'll be doing it with the same kind of Photo Realistic Visual Effects Technology. Where they look like real animals Doing the storytelling retelling just like the lion. King The as right now. They've only hired a couple writers to work on it. Geneva Robertson Doray and Lindsey. Beer are both working on the script and Chris. Paul whites are on as producers along with Andrew Miano through their depth of field production and Yeah so it's just it's an early development right now and obviously the hope is that it'll be another success for them. The other remakes of doing very well. But you know we've talked talked about before the problem with doing these quote unquote live action remakes. That have all animal characters. Is that you get these amazing visual effects of very very realistic animals but you lose a lot of the passion and emotion that is expressed through to the animation making it feel somewhat lifeless. I think the only benefit with Bambi though is that Bambi is not really It's not a musical as the lion king was so you don't have to worry about losing that much life in some of the sequences so it might work out a little bit better but yeah. That's that's that's where we're at right now. There's also like you're on the fence so like how much should you honor the animated classic and how much should be new in different in like if you go too much in one direction in either direction. Actually you piss off a lot of people I think with this one to the I.. Abetting it's very likely that there will be a a climate change message in. This is one since the original Bambi has a very large forest fire. That's a big part of the the original movie and considering all the stuff that's been happening with California wildfires ars now trailing bushfire in that kind of thing but you that will play a big part of the the Bambi remake. Oh for sure I mean a lot of these live action. remakes of the Disney films have kind of had those woke messaging in them I know this Do you know Lindsay. She does some video. Essays that are great on Youtube and I know she did a whole video on that. So you should check it out if you haven't seen that but okay I'm just wondering like how long is it gonNA take guys like if if if Disney is going to remake every one of their beloved animated classics as a quote Unquote Live action movie. Like what are they gonNA run out of. You know content in the well to do that way again won't they. Calendars do new animated versions. that it'll be like virtual reality or you. Whatever the next? Yeah actually that brings US another story. That's on this list. Because you know the the movie mean girls was turned into into a Broadway musical and now that musical is going to be made back into a movie. Yeah Tina Fey is trying to make mean angels fetch again. I know I was thinking about that for a while. anyways Tina Fey who wrote and starred in the original two thousand four mean girls roles high school comedy and wrote the book for the mean girls. Musical is bringing the minerals musical back to the big screen. She's adapting musical. That is on Broadway right now in want and was nominated for Tony's and she's adapting it to a feature film and this is going to be happening under paramount paramount pictures which At least the original original film and also brought to the stage musical to life And she'll be reuniting with The people on the Broadway team Including composer Jose. Jeff Richmond and lyricist Nell Benjamin so this is something that is a little bit. It's a little silly but it's actually not uncommon. We've seen it the happened. Before with the producers for example and other films like hairspray nine and little shop reports which followed the same movie to musical Cole. Musical movie route this yeah. This is one of those Movies to musicals that has gotten some acclaim on Broadway. A lot of people seem seem to love it and There's also not a lack I. It's a popular movie sub Genre of having like high school musical's right so so yeah it seems what do you think of this as well. I think that it's unusual because of how fast the turnaround has been like. The original film came out two thousand four and and in less than two decades. It's coming back into the big screen. And so that's what I think is like is the most unusual part of this But yeah for sure. It's like become comes out of a trend on bribery right now to adapt these high school comedies or dark comedies into big sweeping Broadway stage musicals you see it with mean girls but also heather's as well as some not high school ones that you've seen legally blonde for example these kind of ROM coms so They they seem to lend themselves well to the musical genre. But and mingles itself is still such a has such a huge falling especially people who grew up with it millennials for example Great movie it's a great movie. It's still so funding so sharply Tina face the script's amazing amazingly hold up so well L. And people still quote it and you know. Have that sort of October. Eighth of a joke celebration every year for this movie so I think the movies still is really strong in people's minds and I wonder if the musical movie version will be as successful. But you know we're all about that nostalgic cycle right now so maybe it will get a lot of audiences. Let's see okay On Friday we were talking about this obi-wan-kenobi project over at Disney plus plus it's been going through some troubles behind the scenes and It looks like you know. They're rewriting the scripts and they're possibly getting it down to a four episode the series instead of a season instead of six episodes season. And now we've learned some of the writers choices that might be in line to replace The the people that were originally on on board for the series. Would we know yes late last week. We learned that Hossein Amini who was originally set to rights the obi-wan-kenobi it'll be TV series was dropped from the project and his scripts thrown out in a very dramatic over hall of the Disney Series and Disney is currently currently on the lookout for a new writer to replace him and according to a new variety report Who talked to Industry sources. They are looking sort of in in house with the other Lucasfilm through Star Wars Stalwarts such as eighth looney and Christopher Joost Dave learning I use have both worked in star wars animated series Dave Baloney especially is a big fan favorite writer and Creator in the Star was community. He created did star wars rebels and had a huge hand in star wars clone wars And he also which was also series that heavily featured OBI OBI Wan Kanobi in a large role so he seems to be someone who would know very well. The character of OBI Wan And Chris for use as well Oh has worked on star wars rebels But is currently occupied with the upcoming live action cowboy bebop series. So his schedule is up in question. But Baloney and Joos have both worked on the mandatory in writing and with four phony directing as well. Yeah Llosa spin on a bunch of like marvel and Disney stuff like he. He worked on like Thawra. Dark world and Thor Ragnarok so some some bad and some good there and X. men stuff Brad I know you're a star wars fan. Who would you like to see right? This obi-wan-kenobi TV series felony does really seem like the best choice. He's steeped in Star Wars Lore especially really when it comes to that The prequel stories and so tags take place between rented the safe and our new hope. I feel like he's probably the best person to tackle it At least from a from a writing standpoint obviously you know he just had his directing debut. Live action is with an episode of the mandatory. Which obviously you know he was still getting getting used to the the rains a little bit but I think that you know with some time and with some assistance so he could probably be pretty good at helping shape this series? Yeah I I'm just assuming that he's probably backed for midler season to end he's also producing in you. Know he helped write and produce that series so like is he going to have the time to you mean to learn already in production right now as we speak Season Two so. I'm just wondering if you know spreading Dave Loney too thin thin but I do agree with you. I feel like with the Star Wars Laura especially when you get back to like you know original trilogy and Prequel trilogies stuff like. There's no greater mind other than I guess George Lucas and I would love to see him involved because you know he has a good sense of things and he just I would love to you know. Have that man in charge of shaping which what direction The show goes on. Because I'm very hesitant about the show. Despite you know loving Yoon McGregor and also Deborah Chow is amazing So I don't know I'm curious to see what happens with the show Let's jump from star. Wars to Marvel Marvel announced over the weekend that they are canceling to the animated TV shows that were in the works. Who Brad what do we know yes so at Hulu? There was a whole series of shows that were in. The works works on that. We're going to be animated. The Hulu is working on four shows. It was Howard the duck marvel's Tigrayan dazzling show hit monkey and mode dock and unfortunately Howard the duck. Antigua and Dassler will not be moving forward. Marvel was the one who made the decision to pull the plug on these shows. Not Hulu unlike the ghost rider series that they chose not to move forward on And more than likely this is a decision that probably comes from Kevin feige having much more creative control over what happens opens at all aspects of marvel including television. Now that Jeff Lobe is no longer running that part of Marvel's arm So because to Grandes. Learn our docker. Now on the outs that also makes it unlikely that will get the eventual crossover that was supposed to be the offenders which was this you know. Basically animated version of what the defenders offenders was for a Netflix that combined Daredevil Luke Cage Jessica Jones iron-fist for for one big crossover on at first. It seemed bad news because it would have been fun to see. These shows come together but at the same time. It's probably good news because it means that you know they're more concerned with quality than they are which is getting these shows out there. Kevin Feige cares very much about these characters and even if it's not live action adopt something he wants to put out there. That fans will appreciate and that will be subpar. You're in mediocre and more DOC. Hit Monkey still seemed to be in good shape Just just last week. I talked about on the PODCASTS. At all but mode Officially officially announced the rest of the voice cast that will be behind patent Oswald for that series. There's been some good buzz online here and there about hit monkey so hopefully those turn out pretty pretty well. It'll it'll be interesting to see how moral moves forward with any other animated content that is outside of the Marvel Studios Banner as we know. They're working working on that. What if series for Disney plus but beyond that the animated sector of Marvel has mostly been relegated to Disney X. D.? Yeah but I I do think that. What if series is actually going to be under the Marvel Studios Banner? It always seems weird to me that they were doing. These Hulu shows that clearly seemed like they were outside of Marvel studios produced by Marvel Television. which is now You know if defunct is a defunct it's completely gone right at. This point is dead. Yeah Yeah it's at least Czeslaw is dead or not. He's not dead funny. He is dead at Marvel Yes soot and mouth. Okay but do you think this could possibly mean Brad that we will get a Howard. The duck movie or live action TV show at Disney plus us out of the realm of possibility. Howard the duck already has a place in the NFC you thanks to guardians of the galaxy even has a quick cameo in the final battle In avengers there's endgame and it's feared that a lot of people who work in marble having a entity for because he's such an oddball character from you know the more obscure side of marvel comics. They've already made a mark mark. How did that movie before? It didn't go over very well at the time but I think that they could really find a good crew to do it right today. especially with the success of Deadpool which is another irreverend Reverend Marvel character. Hey we did hear that Kevin Fi met with Kathleen Kennedy to Make Possible Star Wars movie movie now. Howard the duck has a legacy Lucas Foam? Can we see the Howard. The Duck Star Wars Crossover movie that we've all been wanting I I'm I'm down for it. Okay it's probably likely not happening but okay let's no I don't think anybody's been wanting that I as a kid I loved the Howard deduct movie. It's so bad though it's it's so very bad But that wasn't Lucas phone. Proper like Film production so It'd be interesting to see if Like if they made a movie would lucasfilm be involved. Probably not Okay let's let's move on from who the streaming service to another string exert net flicks and it looks like some of their movies are going to join the criterion collection which to me seems odd. H is the first time this has happened. It's not actually because Roma has joined the criterion collection so the Irishman Marriage story American factory and Atlantic's are going to be the next Netflix film to join Roma Roma in that prestigious created collection of designated classics crazy. And so does that mean that they get released on like Blu Ray away as the criterion collection. Yeah they'll be getting physical releases. There aren't any confirmations yet as to when these releases will be except for vague later this year announcement from net flicks and It's and doesn't we don't know yet with those special features or will be as well but we can probably expect something akin to what We'll be seeing on Roma which includes a bonus features a new four K.. Re Master supervised by the director as well as several other words of directors commentaries and behind the scenes content. But yeah. This is a big news for Netflix. Because they have been very steadfastly the streaming and digital up until the past couple of years when they've been trying to sort of enter the awards and Oscar conversation and they've been slowly moving some of their releases two physical releases. We've seen some box sets for their. TV shows like Orange is the new black etc and now their biggest films. Such as the Irishman Marriage Story And a few other Oscar nominated films such as the documentary American factory and Mattie ops Atlantic's will be coming to the criterion collection. Yeah I guess there's money to be made in physical media still so you know if there's a corporation I sometimes does does wall gates make sense to try to get new subscribers but maybe it's worth it for them and I'm just wondering do you think any of these special features. I will eventually make it to the Netflix streaming service. I doubt it I think they WANNA maintain some level of exclusivity But I don't think it is just for you. You know an extra income revenue source because it is. These are other than marriage story and the Irishman. These are sort of you know films that are maybe a little bit buried in the net flicks algorithm and are getting really wonderful sort of attention from the criterion collection which is very picky with its selections. About what makes exit into the collection To be chosen in that it's kind of become speed chosen as like a sort of a classic in a way and So it's exciting to have these films highlighted as well as given that physical release and I think it's more it's not as much about a revenue source as it is about like Boosting highlighting these films as being worthy the Of of getting more another sort of version or like a you know more more content say the word content but out of so. You know. We're out of it. I do want to mention while you are ninety. Nine point nine percent right. The criterion collection did release some Michael Bay foams. It's all right well sometime. I think there's a profit motive state broad strokes yes you're right classics ethics quote Unquote as streaming wars are heating up and continue Netflixing apple are considering buying MGM. Brad tells about that yes. Streaming wars are a big deal. Right now apple TV plus you know Entered the fray. And now they're alongside. The likes of Netflix Hulu Amazon prime as well as you know. Disney plus making a big splash. And there's even more to come with peacock and Hbo Max on the way but these are all from You know big multimedia conglomerates that have the money to spend to make their own streaming service and pay to have library to end it but there are a lot of smaller network studios companies will have you that are valuable but don't have enough capital to be able to do something like that themselves. These are the kinds of Places that will basically basically be up for purchase from a lot of these places that have their own streaming service Both further content library and as we might see with mgm the entirety of their studio. Right now GM's in a place where they get really make their own treatment service and their library of content that includes the likes of James Bond and rocky robocop and Mad Max. are up for purchase and everything that MGM has apparently is is currently worth upwards of about ten billion dollars and manage owned by some hedge funds Anchorage Capital Highland capital and soulful turn of asset management and. Apparently they've been taking some meetings with Netflix and apple about the possibility the of being bought so that way these streaming companies. I've only get their library. But also pick up a a lot of their the different assets. They have Like MGM currently owns the Cable Channel. EPIX which could be a valuable commodity for one of these places to have. It's a bit of a stretch stretch for Netflix to do this. Because they've never really bought an entity. That has a what you would call a physical presence in Hollywood Netflix frequently. Aw You know against the licensing rights to various TV shows and movies and they would get that from mgm with the Library of movies that they have available but it also be you know buying everything else that MGM has to. So it's it's an interesting prospect to think about some of these places getting bought up mostly for their content but also perhaps in a way that you can help them out in the long run in a producing capacity. Yeah I mean it seems to me like this more of play for Netflix and apple like I. I don't see what apple would gain from this. I mean I guess they would gain some movies and some Ip but it's it seems like it'd be more beneficial for net flex to me. At least I I don't no no I mean like like you said apple doesn't really have much Ip and that's like a big hesitation for a lot of filmmakers considering taking a deal with them it was a big player. So you know in J.J. Abrams not taking a deal at Apple. So yeah I mean you make sense there I i. I think that this is going to be the first of a couple studio studios that we see being bought up in the stream wars. I predict. Eventually we'll see like you know paramount or possibly even Sony being eclipsed into something bigger her Sony's mentioned as as one of the companies that doesn't have as much to play around with their own streaming service along with AMC networks discovery Lionsgate lionsgate and even Viacom CBS. They just had a recent merger but they don't exactly have a lot to play with either until we see their content and whatnot being outsourced to the the bigger streamers as well yeah. I just wonder if Sony sold. Y- sold to like one of these companies like net flex like usually with those agreements. It's like what would they lose the Spiderman license. Because usually when you sell the entity you lose there's usually a contract It's something in the contract that prevents you know that franchise from going with it so. I'm curious that that also marvel signed some really horrible contracts rex back in the day so maybe not S- but anyways okay What else we have talked about? Let's talk about into Kanda. They are gonNA. Could it. Be rebooting this. This movie With the writer from Snow White and the Huntsman Hd tell us this Anaconda if you don't want none to all right so Sony's Columbia. Pictures has tap snow. White and the huntsman writer. Evan dougherty to pen the Strip for a reboot of Anaconda the late nineteen ninety s horror hit which starred Jennifer Lopez Ice Cube. Jon Voight Eric. Stoltz Owen Wilson et CETERA. No producer a director as yet attached to the script. But they're Dargis take on new Anaconda Condo will not will be something of a reimagining according to the Hollywood reporter Which knows that Columbia Pictures Hoping for a quote Unquote Meg style? Approach due to the concept. The MEG is twenty eighteen. Jason stay them vehicle about the giant killer shark and was a very sort of campy heightened film not very like the Nineteen Ninety s Anaconda film but something that I guess is that Columbia Pictures wants to do something more of an event Film film in scope and budget. So they're gonNA make the conduct even bigger than it was and basically. Yeah Hon have you ever seen into Kinda actually haven't seen Anaconda. It came out a little early for me to watch horror movies and I. I was very scared of giant snakes at the time I watched jaws when I was young I was scared of my toilet for a very long time so the church is going to fit through. The bodies of water in general are very scary to me so just never got around to Konda bread. Do we need another kind of I mean I don't know I don't think so personally at the same time I did. Enjoy the MEG for what it was and so if they're able to make another movie like that that's fun and silly sort of lean leans into the campus of it all the and you know why why not we don't we don't have a lot of snake movies out there. Yeah I mean fear fear. Snakes I think is something that's very primal for humans. It's like I. I do think you could do another good movie with it but I feel like if you're gonna go gigantic with it like if you go too much bigger than what they did in that original film feel it gets can be ridiculous because I guess is the point. If you're going meg this is you're you're you know you want that. Be movie camp kind of stuff but like is it even been scary at that size. It she I mean I would be scared of a giant snake that size so yes. Imagine a giant snake like wrapping itself around the building and being able to crush it. I'm sure that was the pitch sure. Yeah okay Let's talk about one last story. This broke over the weekend. We've been talking a lot about uncharted in. Its troubled troubled journey to the big screen. I'm still not sure it's going to get there It's got a new director and now it has a new release date. Brad what do we know yes so just not long ago. Ruben Fleischer. was named as the top new prospect to take over uncharted. After Travis Knight the Bumblebee director departed there after chair and Travis night in himself was a replacement for Dan Trachtenberg who was previously attached to the project and this is the sixth or seventh director. I think they've gone through for this movie. That's been you know development for a decade now. Did a Russell was going to make this move. 'cause like what we've done to the point where Mark Wahlberg was once considered to play late Nathan Drake and now he's playing. The older mentor character. So That's how long this movie has been in development so the previous date set for this movie was December Eighteenth with twenty twenty but with the recent Director Shuffle. It sounds like that. They didn't have enough time to get production in before Tom Holland start shooting the next installment of the Spiderman Franchise Franchise which is what they were hoping to do. So now the release date has been pushed back a few months to march fifth. Twenty twenty one There's no mention as to when it will. Oh shoot presumably after Spiderman which is supposed to shoot sometime this summer I believe and so that's that's where that will be working and the slot in March actually was previously supplied by the new patient of masters of the Universe that he man movie starring Noah Centenario from to all the boys. I've loved before so that movie has been removed from the twenty twenty one calendar completely. And there's no idea as to win that's going to move forward if their development Troubles or anything like that. Which funnily enough so what you're saying is say what you're saying is he's no longer than than the universe? Yeah he no longer has the power. We're going to say sorry the message. The Universe is another one of those movies that has been in development for a long time to in a shuffled through various writers and directors being attached to it so both of please movies about a long road towards making To the big screen. You know we'll see if uncharted actually has the power to come together this time and whether or not mashes the universe you know still actually moves forward With knowing the lead almo sounds like Sony is bad to make movies but I dunno okay. anyways that brings the end of today's slash on daily. You could find and more of all of our work. It's awesome. They call me find the spot gas Polish. Every week Dan I tunes. 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Disney Plus Star Wars The Mandalorian episode 1 review

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Disney Plus Star Wars The Mandalorian episode 1 review

"Amen Hey watchman Laurean well of course because of course we're wearing men LAUREAN helmets right now. you WanNa do a spoiler review. Quick Yeah spoiler it up because even watch the been learned yet. You're in trouble well. Let's take these helmets off so yeah yeah. Wow that was a well. Everybody's been waiting for dizzy. Plus we've been talking about. We were talking about for like six months. And and whole holy crap disappoint it. came out like a shocker. They picked the I think they picked the right thing the launch with Class -olutely man. Okay okay so we're GONNA put spoiler spoiler spoiler where to spoil the hell out it. Is We all kinds. I can't review this without spoiling. Yeah because this is this is this is going to be major aged things some things we wanted. We're going to talk about is. I commend lorrimore. Lower talking about my laurean themselves which he's not named yet it but yet let's get let's get on with. It comes up to about hunter so what he does. He is exactly how it started or to. He's got his little locator there. He's tracking some dude. which is which is funny? Because I guarantee in like fifteen twenty years everybody's going to have a tracking system in there so if you ever up the chain codes or for that he was asking for. I think the chain codes are for for his actual location. I'm not sure I know you gotta enter into the thing is holding holding the only had four days. Yeah so so obviously. That's never you enter into that tracker so if somebody knows let us know. Because I don't well I think it it might just be like a tracking system and the whole reason so what we'll get into it because it becomes a first. Uh He he gets bounty. And it's it's okay so when George Lucas originally made the original trilogy he he wanted to make it look almost like a space cowboy. Samurai things like Clint Eastwood Western Clinton's Western and this show and there's only one show on my only complaint about it. It was too short. I mean it was thirty six minnesota by so quick. It went so quick but man. If that's my only complaint that it went too short They have to they have to make a foothold. They have they have to build that foundation of WHO this guy is and they did if you do a search for man delorean. We're in right now on the net. It's going to see. Yeah so it does come out. He does get a bounty and it does it does show him getting him finding a ice space walrus thing. He was crazy to love that he just went in there. And there have the boundaries. Bounties are like these little pucks sit down and it pops up. Oh he told me that blue guy reminds me of myself just just joking around. Even though it's like the worst situation but yeah so the men Lauren does not like droids as you can see why because own wars because clue Moore's eat because of You know the SPIGA clergy see who directed the first day felonious ham also rebels clone wars resistance. I don't know if he's part of the resistance. I know he did a lot of these pretty steep to star wars. Yeah especially clone wars especially because the Homeland Laurean Narrative the story line about this car steel and stuff like that. I love that they brought in best car. St No it was so cool because best our steel is the only steel out there and and that is is super strong. It's a saber withstand lightsabres. So so what happens is after this guy gets his bounty downing he He's trying to get they're trying to payment imperial credits. Well Carl weathers cargo. Yeah he yeah that was that was I love how they showed the different currencies currency's world building. They're doing exactly and it's good and he says well not much empire left the current. Yeah but it's still spends he's like yeah but no now Calamari. Yeah but half only half as much so he's all like well. I have another another bounty when it has to be a face to face. No pucks looks right so while the other ones he had were too low for him. Yeah I mean like. He says he's a high price bounty hunter. Yes because he says well like what five thousand or something. That won't even pay. Yeah which is funny because even in spacey stuff to deal with gas prices they use him to get in and out clean lien anymore people. Just don't care if it's messier not just want to cheat and that was like you know you could. You could exchange that. I you know Iris opening tweet. Swinging saloon doors it would have been the same as acting because it had that same exact a you know an outline bounty hundred coming to get his bounty and walking into a bar ripe even with the with the Glass Cohen. Down the thing. Ah the first part grammy in a held on. I didn't like the thugs. Were Kinda remnants of new hope. Go Yeah Yeah. My friend is like my my dream. Yeah I don't like you. But when he cuts dude and half the train and yeah but yeah but everybody it was like okay is he actually GonNa do it because slowly goes tighter. Of course you don't see at the Disney of course fired at him so he didn't fire back in the guy he shot the door control closed. It he well yeah grabbed it and he started pulling in shut the door and iris clues including ooh good. That's an hour the hell away to go. have some some very nervous all like in the first couple of minutes so yeah he got the dude onto his ship. Yeah I and I love that. The guy from PASSAIC was Thank was the driver. The big geologist. Yeah he was droid pulled up with a nice looking his brand new Detroit so he has a mission with joy wonder why he. Brian Resembles Ebony Jalopy with pieces falling all actually and I probably see him driving that real life so it was a perfect. It's perfect thing in this more character development that he does not like droids which is funny because he was working with one later. So so. Let's say you cut the hers. God that was I looked at it only shows him being in one episode. Yeah I love that cater. He might be but then again also he might. Because he's the one giving the bounty only analysis sudden he does have this new bounty spoiler that this new bounty so and I don't know what he's going to do with ties to build. Empires Guard resigned. stormtroopers old weather stormtroopers. That Look Lake Empires Bowen. What are they gonNA do now? They might be mercenaries. Yeah higher hired hired military. So it's all in you know. He's he gets this this bounty for fifty year old bounty fifth year old male bounty the yeah the target it is a fifty year old is right so of course. He goes to This other planet and to go get this bounty and he it's it's like a character the Retired I guess cloud city Kinda isn't working anymore. Either and he and he's helping this man Loria now because biggest after you told me that was Nick Nolte. I couldn't. You cannot see it. Yeah I think from forty eight hours to drive up in a blue Cadillac loved okay. They're bringing a bunch of cameos in because everybody wants to have came in and Star Wars Okay and this is the perfect time to do it because I mean you have the guy who I have spoken. Yeah Catchphrase Yeah and then so. He teaches them how to go at a bar blog. Yeah and the blogs are like to limit so so I wish you can put back so yes similar to leagues instead of four You know reminds me of if you reminds me of those blow up things. People works through. Somebody's carrying them. Exactly what I was thinking of is It's there's a reminds me and it's this is Kinda weird if you can put a picture of a blog all right and then put a picture of from galaxy quest that little to that to animal to animal he thinks thinks is the rock monster. Whatever I thought it was it was the same thing just bigger? I thought that was pretty cool but Nick Nolte's character teaches them how to ride that and I love I. I love the callback to the special edition. Christmas special. Is Your man laureate ride dinosaurs right. Yeah my momentous autism submit the stores you know by and I was sitting there like does he in the cartoon in the cartoon which you can't find because they lucasfilm won't really say that I I got a black market. Find that thing. which is it's online? I have an furniture goal for about two minutes. You'll find it but but you won't WanNa Watch the first ten in minutes which is nothing but wookey grunts. That mean nothing. Well you know the guy that big the blue guy mentioned life day. He did hope to get back in time for life they. which is Christmas special? Jury was going back to Cacique floor. So I also heard rumblings at the Disney plus service might release a life day. The Christmas special special on life day I was in just one day. Be forewarned fast forward for the I can't get they'll be Arthur. We'll be Arthur's later on. Who Trivia is the first cannon Lgbtq Star Wars Snip but? Yeah so so. We Digress. So pretty much. What he's doing is he's going to go? Get this other bounty now. McNulty help them. Probably this thing which is kind of weird because it can you just like fly over there but it is what he wants to the element of surprise which which was not happening because we have eleven and and he's coming in very robotic. You must surrender under bounding warning bounty gate road rules and that was sitting there lake. I was in like. Oh my God. And it was so good and you-know-who voice easy takeaway eighty the guy who directed Ragnarok and who's in one of my one of my movies. That I wanna go see our zoo dry rabbit but that's the whole sequence. They set you up for the whole buddy cop it was loves the PERA GUYS UP Roy was droids or or big big fellows. Yeah so John who looks exactly like Gee. Just because they're they're manufacturing bounty joy joy and so I think the me five of them seven of them and they're very siegel you can't make money because as you see in this one itself to destroy their endanger being caught. They started self-destruction which is hilarious. Because he wanted this track destructions the Software Arctic. It was good comedic timing shooter. Whale is -actly yeah so and then I think one of my favorite airports was when they said or how we're going to get the door and then he looked at each other and then they looked at the time I was like Oh my God I was so good so you know this is going to be huge. Boiler if you haven't seen this we're going to we're going to spoil oil the crap at the ending so so the bounty okay is pretty much much. Yoda's species which they never. They never have named species which will be really cool. Because what Star Wars what Disney wants to do is because the the stock skywalker sears. Movies are coming to an end and they want to get get away from the lower and getting into more realism. So if they name what his species is that'd be really cool because apparently we have only two of them and they were both on the council. Yeah you're known anywhere in any of the. Laurie voted battle. Don Council so so what so. What people were speculating? Is that this that that these species are very sensitive. Yes highly sensitive and since the empires fallen it might be smart and one guy really wants them alive and You know and but half still be dead. Because I think they're trying to get these four sensitive and that and that was the difference because because now they're sending in front of this crib because a fifty year old iota species very young is almost shitting yourself for fifty years. God this is never France. Liotta was was supposedly eight or nine hundred or nine hundred years old. Yeah so they probably have like eight thousand year lifespan. Probably Yeah Yeah who knows you never. You don't know anything about the species. Mandatory tastes place after the years after the revenge of the JEDI GETS AND BEFORE FORCE AWAKENS. Yes Ca Yoda's dead net timeframe Yeah it'll I think is still alive somewhere. Who knows so I might? I don't know how they reproduce but did Yoda Yadel ago. After one of the Jedi did I counsel so fifty years ago. That was before new hope. So yeah so it would be you. You would imagine that if they're both on the council that they can't have a relationship anyway we'll have been Jala was the only council that could have been before that Daegu by himself. They got divorced. I yeah she got all the good stuff I mean you get to keep the council for this is not Sangley now. It gets a hug talked about living swallow. Yeah but yeah so. That was a huge because what it does is it brings. The prequels equals it. Brings the original trilogy altogether and notice such a popular character. Oh my God it's because I mean of course you're not going to have the new new stuff in there because it hasn't happened yet. This timeline stuff were jumping timelines. But you did see demand Laurean Go into a sub man. Laurean like layer thing. That's apart we skipped over that yeah and I wanted to advance. He got paid it here. Hey we got a bar a steel which was stamped with the empires stamp with. NPR's even looked at it. She's like Oh this was stolen during that so because I guess the man Loria the men and Laurie and people have a lot of their steel. Because it's mandatory and steal best the hardest deal on the planet or on the Galaxy in the universe because reflects flex lightsabres so which is which is really cool because he gets shocked alone in his brand new shoulder powder in his big culture and it stops it. Because it's it's tough deal now he says if you get this I have a whole Palette of the steel and of course as you how important how important this stuff is because he when he when he goes down to this dungeon and everybody says that this was Boba Fett it was. I don't hefty himself go that well. There's there's like five or six of them and I got some screen grabs of it but similar caller similar coloring. My my friend and I was like do not bovine fan because you have to remember this empire this is technically. He was in the sort of like pin so and he didn't come out until Goblin. Job With This was when that game. Yeah it was a battlefront two but You know he's not he. He has a whole different. I really hope but isn't I don't think this show seems good enough that they don't they don't they don't need they don't need a canning buyer. Yeah I don't think they need character to be honest. I like it that the universe is big enough to be like that. Those hints nods. Yoda character or Yoda's species. I also like that. It's completely different. And its own storyline and they talk about imperials and they talk about. They have stormtroopers. But it's not like Oh Hans Solo or Luke skywalker. Kerr has nothing to do with them. which is Great? Because I don't starwars those stories. We heard those stories in this story and in a lot of people are saying that this show is reminiscent of the original trilogy. And the head that Phil had that feel and of course. Because it's in that time and I I knew there was one of those stormtroopers is a is a friend of mine you say. Do you know which one no they ain't gonNA tell but he's since one of those four I'm one of them is still a lot of big name actors. We haven't seen Yeah Bill Burr. Bill Burr plays Kurt Carlos. Zito I mean I think so. What's happening is that? He's probably recruiting a bunch of bounty hunters he's panel a bunch of these bounty hunters To help him or something together. Yeah I mean but also about a hundred so if you don't do a bounty. It's almost like John Wick excommunicate auto. Maybe yeah good analogy. Yeah thank you but but so I mean going back to the mental or steel. You have a you have a hallway. And then there's there's little pigment bigmouth store and then you have little kids with so foundling so basically orphans. which is hilarious? A bunch of my friends. Because we're right now. It's called the verdict core. It's the under eighteen year old and I'm GonNa get his shorts so they have their own foundling core for verdict is under eighteen. So they're trying to do trying to figure out if they want to change it to young wings or Young Lisa S.. I'm sorry yeah you don't be a young in this universe but no it's A. Yeah so but I mean. He literally paid his entire Balaji. What he got from those four bounds to pull its clan? Yeah I mean not just because you had the bounty hunters guild. Yeah but then. A smaller section of that is the man delorean's Iranians as the clans together. So he goes in and you see the blacksmith were in every strike for Hammer. You know the memories and she's forging urging armor he gives her that it was a decent sized. Yeah Yeah Yeah and she looked at it and said yeah we can. We can make you appalled. Yeah and then the rest We can give to the failings and he was like good because I was failing so because because looks like he he was back in the clone wars. He was hidden from his parents so well he most likely what happened was probably died in Henry or something and then they probably picked him up and showed him the way because he's not a memory of race because Lorentz let's U2 men Laurean lower and there's like a whole hour thing on tell you exactly man Lawrence be at different rates. Have I don't think it's all things but now it's actually just might lorient mercenaries. Are you know into. I mean. There's like reto man lorries. There's there's tons there's Walkman Walkman Lorraine's or will turn into a mandatory cool. That'd be a weird looking helmet. Hey there's if there's a picture of a friend of mine But he has agreed Omen Lauren. And he doesn't have a teaser to to host. All you did see all back going back to when he was on the ship right before he carbon froze the dude you saw the other ones. He was agreed. I am racing. Her in those two. Humans wasn't the one one of the they were saying one of them was Kathleen Kennedy and the other one was supposed to be Georgia Yup in Washington a couple of times and like the third time I read that Washington I was like yeah. I guess they could be. It'd be kind of cool because George Lucas actually did have a hand in this episode or at least on the season so oh I know he talked a lot with because I mean you wrote it in February road and Jon Favreau in George Lucas or writing everything he touches gold right now. It's He he can't do wrong. I mean going from Iran. Remember him as swingers I I. I've never seen swingers. But he did was he. Threw sure's monje Yanji Jumanji Ironman. He started a thorough. Yeah he's he's been and then he did the first ironman. And then. After that it just snowballed. I hope he learned from the MCI. And I hope they let him guide the Circus Mc you may they they had a roadmap they stuck to that roadmap freaking work a garden where they wanted to go xactly big time so I'm hoping they're going to do the same thing with the Star Wars thing and his lead to something bigger. The lucasfilm has their own Star Wars like. What am I if you have a star wars the you need to be incorrect cannon rise? So he was working a lot with the people who really like. There's some people who really know like I know star wars but then there's some people that know a lot about the entire EU so skier care grandparents characters. They know that how you can work things together and he sent over. What two years on the script with with the people at Star Wars at Luby's films are it so I mean he knows what he's doing and especially that day felonious now David Bologna puts himself in the clone? Wars stuff like that because he knows man Lori and stuff so so. It's pretty incredible and I. It's an amazing amazing show already and it's only episode one. It's only episode one yet and my mind minh-city count the credits is thirty six thirty nine minutes tone. But Yeah I'm I'M GONNA put this out there right now. If if you don't have Disney plus get it. It's seven dollars. For God's sake I mean I know. Somebody's killing me with my my password right now but we just share each other bathroom the seventy dollars if you have. Who and you awhile like my who will well? You can upgrade in twelve ninety nine nine and you'll get Disney plus and yeah and that's A. That's a hugh as huge. I was just looking through the disciplines. US I there. There's so much I did. I spent I probably spent watching the little shorts. The picture I was I so watching I watched I watched ones I'd already seen wally won the world. Or whatever like oh it's so great it's Ah I was sitting all it's all the short so especially like if you go pixar man laurean definitely definitely watch. It calmed down below. What you guys talk doc? Because I thought it was amazing I liked it because it has a lot of original trilogy stuff. And it's cool. It's it's it's bounty hunter differences to the so many references. Some some we pride missed I'm I there's there's youtube channels out there that they go like percent. The episodes only thirty six minutes there to our explanation videos out there. This is not us we. This is pretty much saying. Hey we're fan rambling. Yeah we're going watch. It calmed down below. What you guys thought and see you know? I think you should watch seven dollars. Plus there's so much on dizzy plus even if you don't WanNa watch that it's well worth it anyway just to get it. They're going to kill Netflix. It when Marvel starts doing their exclusive series on all. This is going to be better. I watched I was doing some editing for patches last night and I was just watching cat marble on the side on the side just just old school every simpsons episodes on her. Yeah so yeah all one thousand seasons yeah. I'm pretty sure you don't have to let us tell you about this. Because we've been telling we've been talking about this and I watched it because apparently they were supposed to launch at six PM on the twelfth but they launched at midnight when law early and at midnight eastern time and I got to watch it like at eleven o'clock and I was sitting. Oh my God it was. I saw one friend says okay here. We go and I'm like some download a request because you couldn't even though you weren't even able to download it until twelve right so twelve o'clock eastern you you download it and they've already loaded up and they had two times as many people as expected that's why they had a lot of crashes and stuff like that there was a few slowdowns and crusher but for the most part clean any buff. Yeah I think the good thing is when you have a multi billion dollar company. They know what the hell they're doing. You hope so I would imagine Sony's billion dollar company. Yeah Yeah Yeah that is true things anyway. Yeah I think I think that's different episode. One episodes coming out on the fifteenth. It's a little weird. They're not doing the weekly thing every couple every couple of days every three days every days. I don't know what they're trying to do but I guess they're trying to keep her by talking about it is exactly because I have to weaken oils are gonNA have but after three days. It's still they're just we're GONNA keep doing. Yeah it's going to win the net all my God. It's GonNa be crazy but I think that's it from US coming on blue. And that like button and renaissance button is that subscribe subscribe button. If you want to sit subscribe to actually very helpful. And when you hit the subscribe hit that little icon any new new videos that we put out. We put up pretty regularly videos. Especially now we're going to be putting on a lot more with these Newman Laurean. Here's I gotTa Talk. We gotTa Talk About Star Wars. But I think that's it for me. My name is Patrick with talk dirty to me. I'm troy also we're talking nerds next couple of days later entertainers honors game. That you get is art class. You play in an R._P._G..

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Interview with Cavan Scott

Alley Chats

17:47 min | 5 months ago

Interview with Cavan Scott

"In Lima. Yesterday I never get. Beyond excited to speak with. You Have Father Kevin Scott Kevin. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks. Ed Hey. Why don't you tell us about yourself a little bit of your background? Show so I'm an Oprah incumbent writer and based in the UK I'm primarily right for a lot of different franchises that you you might know things like star wars, doctor, who Pacific Rim Vikings, and I, a range of either will age comics or comics for. More adult. Orientation So all properties. Nobody's heard of right yet. Tiny little things. So so you are primarily writer obviously. You, right. I was looking at what you write books, and you're right complex, and you write traditional Lexi right comments Ed you also do audio drama set correct destroy the owed our stunted actually back in the Missa time twenty years ago. Doctor, who wasn't until no one thought it will ever come back. a group of fans got together built a business together and made official audio. That was my my first GIG was one of those really. Is that big finish audio, or what is yes? Yeah, fantastic, those are amazing and. All that stuff is cannon from what I understand that the stuff now they consider it Canon so. It's Kinda who knows. Who commensal very loose concept because! that. You know I I went. I went, wrote a definitive history of the dialects and seeing the dynamics have three definitive origins. It's It was quite a task to make everything well I think we did. I, it's it's what David Tendon said. It's Whibley wobbly, so I mean exactly you're not going to get something solid to work from no matter what exactly. About yeah me, too. I mean it's captivated me. Since I was a child, and I'm in Chicago I mean for you. It's get out built into the fabric here Medina yet here. It was on Sunday nights on our local. Public television channel. My parents allowed me to say if I was eight years old and I was staying up on Sunday nights at ten o'clock to watch Dr, who and Oh. It was fabulous school and nobody knew what the Hell I was talking about. Yeah, I, know is A. Today was more of a cult following over in states, and the yeah, growing up as a kid in the seventies and the eighties it was everywhere and went through dipping now obviously has come back in a major way, so yes, I've been very very. On it to write for it in various different ways to the last couple of decades while you also written US judge, dredd books, so you're with with two thousand eight and that. But you, you have a book out our your. You contributed to a called core buster right? Yeah! Kuba decided in the UK. We have to we. We used to have loads of weekly titles. Things like called Buster was chips, the Beano Dandy, and basically they were made of a single page or two page strict featuring returning characters could be twenty strips in an issue every week every Wednesday coming out every Tuesday now simply as a weekly, there's only really the united which is being I'm not as and I used to Roy for Doc- anyone still, but recently rebellion secured the rights fool the old current arrival. group could IPC who published a load of titles back in subs. And so every year they've been putting together a special around Easter, featuring some of these old characters for old fans, and hopefully fans as well and I've been lucky enough to right Frankie Stein. which was a favorite of mine when I was a kid who is a slightly goofy I'm reform Frankenstein where it's a very good hearted monster, who's incredibly clumsy, and who's died, created him, and then basically has been trying to get rid of every ever since because he's just causes chaos wherever he goes. I read it. It was a lot of fun. You know it reminds me when I was a kid. In here in the states, it was bad magazine and crack where the two really big ones and I of course subscribe at both back then and I started reading. It totally head that vibe to me like I felt like. Wow, this is something that's missing because when I pick up, you know I. Don't remember the last time I picked up the last time I read a mad magazine. It was good, but it wasn't. I don't know I felt like also. It wasn't taking itself seriously enough to be something. The kids would dig into. Whereas this I read I thought all mad. If I was a kid, I would have been all over core buster. The thing about those those kind of titles over here, is they? They ran for years in the characters. Ram for years I. Mean I mentioned being which is the other one? That's the one that still go in and some of those currents is what the majority of the characters are in there now my youngest daughter reads it We'll created the nineteen fifties and I have been running ever since. One of them the bus three kids sponsor kids has been joined by the same artist every week since the early sixties, so generations of people come in so yeah I become a couple of the bean for my daughter, and it's pretty much in the same parents as I read when I was younger than her and that's the same thing that we're doing with with coal buster is is bringing back. These cards is the for for one generation, incredibly nostalgic but also for another generation they've never seen, and it's a tragedy, and so we're hoping just like two thousand a day, which is the other side so I work on for rebellion they've been. A an annual now. Cool. So of all age version of two thousand, eight, again, using the same characters, but fail you know for anyone can pick out kids. Auto reported them and gradually get more and more popular, and and the frequency has been increasing, and I think that's the plan with co busters while you know, hopefully as people start to remember these characters and introduce them to that children and kids start read them as well that what more and that Stephanie What Planet? Now there's two things I want to address. We don't have a ton of time so I get a taste of what you do, so they just driven your website which get up momentarily, but I've got to WANNA WANNA. Ask You about one. told me. About Shadow service. Cs Shadow service was announced a couple of weeks ago. It's a brand new comic. Come in from vote. Comics in the summer It's crater own title by myself. Encourage 'em how it's basically A. British supernatural spy thriller With you've got a six six six, which is a a coat version of the secret service has all kinds of interesting people out to these agents. They recruit a witch from the streets of London. Who's been using powers talked to the private investigative. He is, and she's got involved in shadowy. Secrecy Road and so they recruit off the streets, and it's her story. Gina Gina My name is, and it's the story how she gets involved. in the organization more about means to her and the people she loves, and also the that she's realizes that she contrast anyone from that point Tom. This is your. This is your if I'm correct your first. Offense, and Yeah Yeah I've let's in licensed. Books well pretty much. All my craft is turning odd years and so It was something that I've been planning for a long time. It's a story. I've been planning for a long time and the the guys. I told the guys have and they need to the plunge, so so yes, I'm really excited and. I love everything you said when you describe this, am I sixty six is. Fantastic I love. So yeah, definitely, that's something. If they go to your website, they'll be able to pick up their. Absolutely they're going to we're going to. Hopefully with the situation is with diamond and everything. It's still on track to come out in the in the summer I'm so the retailer be on the website I will be votes website as well so so yeah, everything seems today where where scripted five of the tennis shoes wear a couple of issues into the so everything's proceeded as planned wonderful. The other thing I wanted to touch on is. With everybody in lockdown your lockdown as well. People are getting content online. They're listening to podcast. Thank God. They're watching live video streams that you have one. You have a livestream called plot in g-great. Tell me about it, so yeah. A friend of Mine George Man who I I write with Caudillo together. We'll develop a couple of rigid properties to which has a book series also runs the Star Wars Myself we hang out over the time, and we chats, and took about nonsense and Geeky he stuff and we brought stories, and so we decided when the lockdown started that perhaps we should do this. I'm on Youtube and have ago livestream in and see if other people that we talked to online would like to come on and so turned into a full gnarly show which. which we're doing on a Thursday night over here in the UK and yeah, it's about an hour every fortnight. We answer questions from people watching we this week coming up. We're going to be plotting a character. Creighton occur to live with overnight questions fired from from the people who are watching so he has been an often something that neither us planned I made so. It's come out to the current crisis eight something we're enjoying bitten Iraqi and we've got a few technical troubles along the way with us of livestream as far as. But. Yeah, so it's just another great whites connect and I'm strong believer in connect to people on social media, and it just seemed another way doing especially. A lot of people are interested in what we're doing I'm involved in a big project for Lucasfilm. Could Star was high Republican while I can't talk a lot about we can It's a way to reveal what's going on with that until the launch in the semi say see. It's a lot of fun. And if people want to go to my website that can find the link and come along and join us when you've done a lot with the Star Wars I am looking through here I see that you did. You've done some some kids. Stop like a Finnish poet, veterans and things like that. That's all kind of stuff that I ask people go to your website and just start digging through because I'm a fan of all this guy. He's obviously. As soon as I opened it up, I see. I see Dr. who right there. You got me right I soon me. something called Planet Dinosaur you've got me. You See Shirley I called. Come on I mean this. This is just great. You Sarah Jane Adventures. You even have a an audio book for Surging Adventures and Jerry last things that list the slate and actually ever performed, which is quite touching, really and quite silently. Just before the series finished, it was the last came out while while and then on top of it core buster, which is why we I connected and I. They sent me a copy of Corpus I'm having so much fun with this. I want to talk to everybody involved. I had no idea when I got into it that the Guy Rating. Frankie Stein had such a such a resume on top of it so Kevin. This is your dream. I, asked everybody. This is your dream con okay. Most excited to me. To Be Jack Kirby! We'd have to the tunnels to sit down and until to him to the king. I never met Stanley by saw him at two comes. The first time was a San Diego. Probably six years ago, and Of the corridors up going into panel and the entire code when quiet. And everyone turned and stand walked down the middle. It was like it was like. Royalty will down and then I guess a couple of years later and the same thing happen. I never had Johnston to toward Stein I. Would Love Tea by Yeah I'd really love to sit down with Jack can just to find out. You always again. Opinion is like from reading about him is relationship with Stein those kind of things, but he seems such a quiet mind and such. We know he's a genius stories out in and. I always try to think when I'm working full. Whether I'm looking for someone else's property Oh did show service. Akito that maximum in the back of my head, I think sums Kobe of what can I say well? Let's do something new and. I'd love to sit on Tilton about integrative process. I just thought. And what it was really like. It'd be absolutely fascinated. I think everybody would like to be on that station. With, somebody concert cancelled right now. What do you think is the best way that people can support creators during this time? I think first of all full most is is to come is to connect to them online if they're available online, connected and talk to them. You know because I think it's the. Thing we're missing it in a minute is the is the connection of people Obviously it's difficult, got hold of comments now, but there are others to comics. There are just two additions that you counsel people with. You can check out see if they've got any crime. A Crime Fund in I'm tryin services. Patron is keeping a lot of people fly the minute. Crisis that you you enjoy be I think. As well as obviously the financial support because. It's it's affected a lot. People and we realize as great as that. Some people have got so much going around with them minute but yeah connected, and and until about these things reminding people that we're all here I think that's power the Paso because. As, we've any as we've. We'll see in the best parts of founder of the minutes when people come together and support each other women will so separated so I think that's a major part of it. Yes, oviously support people financially, but definitely support people as fellow founds because let's face it the end of the day. That's what we'll creators, readers, writers whatever We're all fans. Yeah, right, we. We didn't get into it because we hated the properties. That's for sure exactly exactly. That's why we're here. You mentioned Patriot. You mentioned crowdfunding. Do you have either? The, minute, not something I'm looking at the minutes. I'm being pretty busy with Star Wars, and so I am. I'm I'm happy there are. There are definite plans working in the back of my mind There's a knit broken. The artist WHO's also another Brits in a are we worked together on Star Wars a few ideas. We milling around so Yeah, keep an eye on my website on my twitter feed, and I might be talking about those sued. And let me know and we'll share with our audiences is. Happens whether it's patron, kickstarter, whatever it is and I know the people. Listening would definitely want support people that are out here, so it'd be great. Yeah, where can people check out your work? Best places to go to my website, which is www Kevin? Scott Dot Com on campus gone Switzer as well and comes. Go writer on Instagram I'm usually around them. One of those places Coming on Saturday. Where we're back to that. Ties in the last just asked we're. CAN PEOPLE ACTUALLY WATCH PLOT DECREA-? it's on a Youtube Channel Code strange matter again the best places to go via my website, the Min- building up those numbers. On it so yeah, it's strange matters. The channels look for which is the production house. The main George have and so you can find us. They're. Wonderful Up Kevin this was such a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you for your time I everybody. Check out this website. Start buying a stop your care. So much material that you're going to be interested in Thank you. No. Thank you for stuff in bars been great term. You can find Allie. 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Hellblade 2, More Ninja Theory Announcements - Kinda Funny Games Daily 01.22.20

Kinda Funny Games Daily

1:11:44 hr | 11 months ago

Hellblade 2, More Ninja Theory Announcements - Kinda Funny Games Daily 01.22.20

"What's up everybody? Welcome to kind of Funny Games daily for Wednesday January twenty second twenty twenty. I'm one of your host Greg Miller alongside the rogue one at Gerry would hello. Hello how are you. I'm good so is this first time hosting in two thousand twenty. I think it might be is it. Well yeah his last week give bless the I'm blessed woman last week. Whose blessing and now this is it back? And that's the problem is I feel like I took my eyes off of you for one year. One year three weeks into the new year Please throw this up the link at the top of the document on what happened to your ankle coke young man. Oh Yeah I fucked. What are you doing it? Throw this what what put up strapped up Hasn't been soft. Yeah Very Nice. Look at this hideous ankle. What did you look? That's a that's a previous injury. Okay when I read it over the weekend I not at second pick is from a real bad spell. I took down the Lucasfilm stairs while giving a tour this that was that was the worst ankle injury and United States. The other angle. Well that's not even the same ankle. My right ankle I blew out. I mean there's nothing they had to say in a sock but I blew it out. I blew it out playing being Badminton I roll. Roll your ankle so funny about that you mention is like a saw. No no no literally early. You could've said me playing any sport there would be laughing. I liked I liked to play. Bama's played when I was a kid so he's back yard or a proper typical. Hurt your ankle no it was. I was playing on a court in a hardcore minutes. Are you know play every week. Back with friends. What friends I'm going to think you know people? I've always have a life outside of you have to tell you everything I do. You do the fake accent when you talk to them or is that just kind of fun. The fuck is going on you so you're supposed to be nice to me right now. I'm injured sock while you convalesce. You took the gainer. Hey I'm hobbling around. I lost twelve pounds on my diet. So congratulations I'm feeling good about this hoping you're doing the Cato thing if you WANNA would hope for is that by the summer do a quick supercar of all my appearances on kind of funny and you'll see shrink Dan. That's the plan. What's the goal? I WANNA WANNA get back. I want to get back. I WANNA get under two hundred. Yeah I'll be happy to be. I'll be happy to be on the two hundred pounds. That's awesome where you know if you start like I was way too heavy. I was like fifty now fifty two when I weighed myself on New Year's Eve two forty and I want to get down to like when I was really happy with my wife I was like one eighty five or ninety and you put photos when you were happy right that was rogue one and two thousand that was between those two thousand thirteen. It is right before my daughter was born. It was right before I started on Star Wars. Those contributed to be doing a lot of stress. Lost the good thing is I know the I can lose the weight because they did it this way before. So you do the same shit again. Stick to it. So I'm feeling disciplined. I'm on it. I'm weighing myself. Every here's why I decided to go away myself this morning every morning on kind of funny I'll give you a white update and see now. I've sent them now. See now now up you. Yeah now I have to say I have to hold myself accountable for sure you know. Do Away in altitude then. I'll report the news to you every Wednesday. Why anyone would give breaking news but you you asked me? I fucked my ankle so I gotTa Strap is last night I got I got about twenty four hours left to kind of get it in good shape because this is the other news. I'm going up to the whole family. We're going up to Tahoe tomorrow. We Can Mike Snow Bike. Mike is Hooking US up. Yes I see is no Mike Mike is got it all. He's got he's got the heavenly mountain hookup. We stay this really nice. Hotel has a small bar which is pretty amazing. Yeah make your own. Moore's and roast your own s'mores yeah. We're GONNA do sledding. We're GONNA do to. Wow we're gonNA fuck around and see but mostly doc mostly my kid. Just she's never seen snug never snows here in the city. She wants to build a sniper. You want to build us now. But she wants to cheat yes. She doesn't want to be very bad way And it'll be fun. I don't know if you've ever go but it's beautiful. I went up there once. Yeah it's lovely. Yeah so we're going to go up there for the for the weekend. I want to be on next week show because I'll be in. La No problem which Marvel movie on DC moving which ones are going to be a star wars again are you do more is finally clone wars that you'll be talking to lots of one of these days you'll put it call in for your weight update point. I'll call in or are you gonNA bring the Steel Valet find a scale with. Ah Jim Jim will have one. I'll text it to you and you can. 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Oh Bakers does today. I couldn't believe my eyes. I said what's the there's been some kind of xbox directors some kind of giant things from Microsoft no Ninja theory themselves. Put out a seven and a half minute video. They just went straight to the consumers. And they're like you know what we've seen intended this playstation do this. We've seen xbox do with their major you're Nelson shows and stuff we're going to do our own. Mock developers do this. I can't put a Lincoln there so what they did today. Is they dropped the dreadnought diaries. It's a video series. They'll be doing doing. I guess throughout the development of the new Hell Blade and then there are other projects they put it up. I hi I'm GonNa Recap the news obviously for you but highly highly highly. Recommend you go watch. He wants to this morning is interesting and it moves. It's quick go quick. Seven minutes sums it up. Leave a comment saying you love this and want more of this. And I'm telling you that you shouldn't will because this is such an awesome thing this I watch Irish fucking game developers take. You wouldn't remember. This takes me back to the days of the Bit Mat. Brothers remember this guy looks like he looks like he's in a fucking the British rock band or totally but it's at great rhythm guitar in a some kind of out rock band out of Bristol or something attorney okay places. Bristol Connecticut Right Yeah anyways though the the main news out of all this and Kevin I want you to skim around a bit when we get going or breaking slid a play. Whatever you WANNA do They have multiple projects in multiple teams. They have multiple progress on these projects. each one of these teams is smaller than a AAA away team. Of course that's Ninja theory when they made their mark with. That was our big thing that there were small game to a small team delivering a big game right now at the end of the video. They say they are one hundred twenty total so you see that broken up between three projects are talking about here the first of which being a sinuous saga healthy to you. See it here. I could be wrong. KINDA FUNNY DOT com slash. You're wrong can we please. Obviously we remember this trailer debuting for the announcement of this in with xbox series accidental. Good Oh totally right and so we're seeing it again here. I don't I I was trying to figure I didn't have time. I had computer. She's today and then I had a meeting and a bunch of other stuff so I can't remember if this I I don't remember as much of the cut away to the woods but is this the same trailers my question question for you right now. Let me know they're kind of dot com slash however they do give you new information regardless of what the trailer is or isn't what I find interesting when they come out of this talk about it. Right help lead to is going to be how madness and suffering shapes myths gods and religions so of course held way of the original with Sanyo. Sanyo sacrificed right was this. You know a acclaimed for good reason. Obviously and how technically a peeling it is and how beautiful this but also on a story level and affects affects level right Gary. Hey this is what mental illness. Yeah how it tackled that issue and did it and what I think. I think they've got some kind of award from like a charity or They tackled the mental health using on story. And he's doing doing an exploitative no in that would be the next thing when we talk about the insight project which should have talked about before again. I confirmed in the middle of a sentence there. That is the exact same trail if you saw it before a game more however like getting more information as they talk about here I like the idea of going off of what we already know about help waiting to send you a right and then this one is going to be managed suffering shapes myths gods odds and religion right. That sounds awesome. Yes sounds really cool twice. The size of the first team may say while pointing out that still incredibly small for AAA game development. Did you place anyone sacrificing. My wife played. I watched her play it and it was really interesting. Totally right yeah. Power to the wives. Because that's how I did it to where I started played for like forty five minutes. I was like okay. This is cool. Got Distracted by something else invent then I came home the next day in Gen was in and the cy sat down with her play. The whole yeah and I know it's an easy platinum. I know she goes back on top of the fact that it's great but having not had that experience this but seeing it end right you know how you know how you play a game and then it's like well do I want to go play the same thing just enough time passing. I think I might want to jump in and Craig Miss New game that they just revealed looks interesting to well. This is if you toss this upright now this insight project this is something. We did talk about Games daily when they announced it. This is the first time they're showing stuff from it. The idea is if if with this project if you remember is that obviously they got so much. Acclaim really made their mark with tackling mental health. They wanted to kind of give back and figure out how they can work on on that in terms of what you're talking about. A charitable way scientific way so as the video goes on shows here the idea with the inside project right is that it's taking game design in tech in pairing it with psychology psychology to work on mental mental health researchers and professionals and exactly and like try to bring that together at a bridge that thing to help people who struggle with this because so how many do and the idea here that he talks about in the video is this. Is You know they're going to the idea that it's going to change and evolve and all this different stuff is to make the way they call. It is is going to start to conquer your fears and the game environment and then bring those problem solving techniques to real life right which is awesome. I think I think it's a really interesting kind of the relationship. It goes both ways in the you know by properly by working with with researchers and scientists and doctors and professionals they can make sure that when they tackle these issues. It's done in a responsible. Aw and also what they were talking about. Video is trying to use the the unique interactive tools that games offer to build experiences. Maybe not even games experiences experiences. That can help people better understand those issues I think. Yeah and and and tackle them. I think when you talk about everybody's mental a wellbeing I think especially where we are now in the industry we are in the way we all have this ecosystem on twitter and stuff of being more open and share a more. That's it's awesome and I'm glad you see that I'm glad people are there for each other. They're still so many people who are closeted by. I think who don't want to talk about it. Yeah and so I think even even playing this and if it was just a one of the simplest things was. Here's how you meditate right. I know how much that helped Dan. Reichert right like the ability gets news thing right project. This is the a new thing. Yeah this is project. Mara Project Mar will be a real world ain't grounded representation of mental tariff these graphics. That look photo real. This is real. This is why I thought that was like. PS Five. I I thought it was super. I think it's Yeah Kevin if you WANNA go back to the front when they start. That's that's gameplay footage I think and if this is all fucking environments you know put me I mean I mean what does it do we we Kinda fucked until the difference. Here's the the the the summation from xbox and that they talk about here. Project MAR will be a real world and grounded representation of mental terror based on real real lived experience accounts and indepth research. Our aim is to recreate the horrors of the mind as accurately and realistically as possible project. Mar will be an experimental title and showcase okay for what could become a new storytelling medium. Then I thought that was fucking. Is that not real. No I think it is now the opponent but I thought that was in game. I thought this was in game. I think that's what they're going for so real quick and I think this is one of the reasons they're doing it. They talk about this in the video. Not In the press. Release only there's going to have only one character you assume that tomorrow and then one location. Yeah you're GONNA be so that's going to be a small contained experience. The only thing I found I'm very I'm a Ninja theory. gigabit shutdown the down line for this. Yeah linked usual twit of fuck. Ary Fuck them. Don't make something awesome. They're hailing the right here if they don't WanNa hear what you're saying but right here this is the only put me off a little bit and you ready early. When he says we're going to showcase mental Tara and and the horrors of the mind when he said sounded a little bit lurid when he said it sounded obey exploited? I think he's just a poor choice of words. I believe that they are genuinely other than exploiting this. I think they ah genuinely genuinely interested in. Yes right and again from where they started to have a breakout success. Like that did handle these issues well to pay it forward and put it into insight insight to take the story they started and take this into what it would do to shape religion to go the other way. Give you like a horror game plan. What they've learned Kevin? Do you WanNa say something say but like a lot of horror games. I feel like do that whether exploiting you know. Sure ears right there. I do think it's interesting. They also debuted a new mission statement for the company to Craft life-changing art with game changing tack. I'm really interested to see what they come up with. Hey Man I in the one big thing that they they talk about in the video that we have the top. We didn't talk about here. They talk about the fact that since they got acquired by Xbox last year or two years ago twenty eighteen eighty three since they got acquired by xbox. Yeah it's g twenty man hold since they got acquired by them. They're able to do this. And this and this means that this is all going to be xbox exclusive now. Well I say Oh yeah. But it's Xbox they might not maybe down the road. I don't even know down the road. You're not crazy. xbox is I mean I I it might get in the way of you know depending on what the inside project is. Sony is slowly opening up their platform. You know even even just go into PC is more of a you the boundaries are. I think they're going to increase. Yeah Yeah I think it's awesome. I think everything they did. There's awesome I think that's and not only. Is it an impressive you that they made it super impressive and I think is a pat on the back to xbox that they're a first party students share make this thing go do it and it isn't Phil Spencer. It isn't I'm trying to push xbox they are right like it's the freedom of the money has been able to do our own thing. Here's our handling that because I think when any smaller studio or studio that has a vision in a statement right has something to say gets acquired by a bigger publisher. There is that GonNa miss this sopping changing we've seen it sometimes with developers the EA of Boll and that was the moment. Abe was pretty much the beginning of the end. Yeah so yeah. I thought that was awesome. I'm all for it I WANNA see Project Mara. I want to see all the stuff you WANNA keep talking. xbox sure number on the report there's another one on the poll up for me caveat. This is like like your dry run for Xbox I love you now you gotta come up with a name. I really mean yeah. We can't just do axiom. Psi Love you can come up with okay. Cool number two. The we gotta look here at the back of the XBOX series x hardware. It's been popping up online. We're reading from Brad Sam's that-that Hey Brad. How are you Two weeks ago I wrote up the port that were on the back of xbox series x today you get to see them with your own eyes images of hardware that show the front and back found their way the Internet the images were posted by Curry Panda Neo. Gas In the images are authentic of the hardware meaning. This is not a fancy three D. printed model. Is this a death kit. What is this in the prototype? Weren't talking about that. He goes into here on as I reported on the back of the hardware contains optical audio port two. USB ports intimate power in a single HDMI port. The holes in the side of the ports are preventing and vet large rectangle. Report in the middle is for diagnostic. Reporting I don't expect that to be in the final hardware and and as always these ports could change the whole the top of the series x does make it look like the back is removable but I would expect that to be since since this is a pre production unit and may need to be serviced to de bug or update the hardware as they revised final product. Kevin if you scroll down. He didn't about if you click on that curry panda handed. NEOGRAPH second hyperlink there. That'll take your show you the top of the box because there's multiple things I think it's just the most interesting sour in the back of neo get really early differences. The last time I was there. What is odd? Maybe can't find nobody DOCO. What is on is that the Bar Code and serial number are identifiable in this image Microsoft tracks prototypes and the person who was assigned? This hardware is about to have a bad day. That being said at least you can now understand the actual design of the back of the XBOX xbox series X.. What do you take away from the back of it? I mean you know it's it's it's moving us around the screen down there I love it. It's it's you know it's it's the back of a box with a bunch of ports you'd expect to see USB hd the the the story. I guess is that there's no HDMI in which the xbox one famously had and was a product of its original entertainment entertainment. They'll faded faded launch. To make it. I I did but that was shit. It was terrible it half the time it wouldn't work. He's say we can't detect a cable signal even though there was one. I don't even have cable anymore. The original plan was the xbox is the only machine you've ever ah but like the guide wasn't good. The channel guide wasn't good. I didn't like it was slow to change is channels on it was shit. xbox and obviously the connect is gone now and has been for for a long time and now the HDMI and was like really the last kind of a steel remnant of the folly that was the xbox one original launch. And now that's that's gone like no one was gonNA use that. I know. I wish we got the side profile one to compare all three to try to get a visual of like this looks looks cool. It's a cool looking. Oh The xbox series I think looks don't realize what you didn't like I'd Monolithic. Oh No I do I totally do we put outside. I agree how. How will you Orient Entertainment Center? So it's GonNa be on my side I'm Gonna I'M GONNA I. I like the idea of it on the side of all that. Put It on top right now. My xbox one is like you know horizontal in a little slow inmates payment by. I think we'll do is take the new one the series x and stand vertically on top of the entertainment center. Okay well it can it. It can might might see this entertainments. Oh you would it. Would I like to be but I want to put it on its side because on the side already position. VR And this little headrest looks garbagey. Right right gotTA figure out a better way to story. I like it fine but it looks weird because it's such a good little charger today. headrest is a great charger. Everything's great about. It's just that it's just in the on. The floor floor is on the floor next all my shit just general these. These Jan is gone and spent a lot of time and money to make our house. Look good and I'm just feeling toys. All right yeah. It's it's it's easier soon. Go get out of hand rule of a cable and whatnot. Now here's the big thing. Yeah you're like Oh looks like the back of this thing. Whatever Frankfurter says no thank you? He writes in the Patriots Dot com slash. Kind of funny games. Ames's as Good Morning Greg and Gary First and foremost why no USB seaports with the amount of USB ports controllers beaming rechargeable or will we. Oh sorry with the amount of use reports wheeler controllers be rechargeable or. We have to still use batteries. Why does the backside of the constant hollow looking at the top of the screen through thing with that being being the prototype or do they reveal this design at the game awards in case somebody did leak to throw people off the scent? Here's what I'M GONNA say. That's the real design of the xbox Series Act. I don't don't think that was gonNA throw anybody off the scent but the US is a good question. I guess because me being Greg Miller idiot when she's like oh it's going to be. USPS's for the play the PS five is like Oh awesome. I thought 'cause I'm a moron right the same USB plugged that I always have and then the USB that goes in the controller. I never thought it was GONNA be like my ipod ipad. The series actually will definitely be. US SPEC- yeah on Aaron. Yeah but you're going to have a USB CD USB cable to plug in charge. Yeah I it's a good point. I'm actually a little bit disappointed. Now you bring up. USB See I fucking love you so much it's the first USB cable that doesn't doesn't really off the one way or the other use three talk every three times. It's always three times in. That doesn't work you flip. It actually would the micro USB can fuck off I hate that shit so much. Y- Y isn't there a USB on that because that's the future and this is but here's my thing is is supposed to future forward. Would I think I think that I'm my interpretation. Is a dumb dumb about how you're GONNA get it with. ps four is the same as gifts. Five Srpska where in. I'm looking right now to see if anybody's Morteki and smarter than me is talked about this because obviously we they've said USCC for playstation five stuff right. But I've never thought about the other end of the cable. Oh I'm just looking at a random read it brings up. There has to be some. USPA since they said you can play your current Jan.. PSV are on it. Yeah and there's a lot of USB things that you know you wanna when you want to have at least a legacy poor but why not have a forward looking for as well as PC. It's weird UH-HUH UH-HUH I'm looking at. I'm seeing controller for playstation five. Trying to figure it all out. I never thought we were moving to that. Creates the new. I mean just. I mean the new xbox elite control which is out now for the xbox one is USB so it's going to be charging control as you'll be using USB cantate question is what's on the other end of the of the plug yes right now it looks like USPA. I that's what I would have thought and I would never thought different of until I saw frankfurter writing all mad about it. We're not that part of the future yet. You know what I mean right. Yeah he's gotTa live. Just I I presume I presume at least they are. USB three point one off fast will they argue if you're gonNA play in an external drivers and needs to be have have the like widely done blew it didn't it didn't it didn't look blue but that you think of that gene had a break fucking way. They're putting the USB two point. Oh in that box as fast. Transfer speeds external hard drive Somebody I was reading on this today. Portsmouth Xijiang Dempsey fairly typical arrangement including singly. She my out any in an obstacle for two. USB ports somebody talked about the fact that they still put up to kill audio on there. Is that Roy for headphones. You need it. It's essential makes makes life ways here you can't just use Bluetooth or regular USB headphones you can't use Bluetooth at least with current Gen analysts you buy a bluetooth adapter. But wouldn't you just use the whatever headset plugs right into your controller. That's US straight. But like I I like having my like wireless a fifties astros and it's an obstacle for like a real av nerds at WanNa plug it into an an put something. Yeah the Astros are really nice so like they have like a bunch of speakers in there so they utilize stuff I've been using optical cable in years but it's more I have to go from my sound bar day I was playing a PS three it had optical out so it was actually peace Walker. So I plugged in my headphones via the optical out and then I plugged in the Astro base to the USB on my laptop and I was able to connect via discord and mix audio there so ps three dozen have like the group. Whatever it's called the like you can play with people and talk to them so I was able to? I play with blessing via these headphones. Because they had the optic I never thought about that. You know I I just did. It became clear out the other day. You know like every every. You've got a home somewhere. That drawer knocking rat king of of tables. I finally went organized. I know just to drive. I'd like to big shelving units all these drawers and they had like okay. This is my power cables from my game controllers with my USB Shit you know it's all stored away from me when I need to find cable. Let's find it one hundred percent over the years. It will become a big shit shit show so I finally spent most of Sunday detangling cables. And it's annoying but it's I it's frustrating but it feels good satisfying satisfying when you get it down and I threw out. I throw my mini. USB because nothing virtually. Nothing I always keep a couple just in case you might one day. Yeah I still have a couple of all thirty point. Apple connectors is just you just never know. I have an old IPAD every once in a while right so always keep always keep an alternate connector just in case by threat most of them in the US bees and I throw all of my optical cables does. But I kept one so you just never totally a good point. I might who knows I might need it one day see. I tried to be better. I tried to be better because I have the cable cable juror right when Kevin came over years ago now to play monster hunter remember that I was in the spare bedroom. Want something sexy Kevin. He's like not really coming and I pulled out all the cables arranged in Velcro tied but then I had the the junk drawer of the old consoles the old. PSP's the controller this stuff right and finally after years of that hat sitting there and I was like you know what I gotta clean this out and I went in there and started chuck and stuff. Yeah and I made a made a fatal mistake. Cable ask yourself. When's the last time? Oh my fucking use. This cable made a fatal mistake man. PS three hours. I'm keeping this. Yeah all all my photos are on it still. You know. That's my media center. Okay then it was that I picked up the PS three control. And I was like I loved you a lot. Do Shock but I know 'cause I talk about it on the shows the playstation four controller works with the PS three now chucked it right years. Go Oh by maybe a year and a half whatever start the stupid places show blessing and he's like hey let's play peace walker and I'm like I don't know he said you should play Peace Walker on my shit. I probably platinum like blessing. I like it came home. Put it together. Plug it all in fucking God. Damnit the playstation button for the on the playstation four controller doesn't work for the. PS Three. You can't like go back to cross fully fully compatible. Yeah it's it's it's got all these no I'm fine. I mean hard I mean that was actually something else that I lost a a bunch of Joel shot threes. Because I'm going to use them. Yeah and I'm not gonNA give them to. Yes no keep wanting to write one. I screwed it up. I threw away all my old. We control is by kept one you just a bunch of ships. Just it's just I have no use for anymore for awhile. I wanted to do like a frame then. has like every generation of three control on there that I can actually power and pull the. ps four controller often use and then put back up. When I'm like I don't want it? Yeah that's cool that right there number three on the rope report. We have some half life. Alex News this is out of an AMA that happened yesterday. Both the articles are coming from I. G and we'll start with. Joe Scrambles a made up name talking bobby game is actually according to its developers valves much anticipated. VR spinoff half-life. Alex is being polished and bug fixed and is playable in its entirety. And they really don't think it'll be delayed no matter what you've heard about the dreaded quote Valve Time Speaking on Reddit Ama the official account wrote the official account wrote with the exception of some tweaks to the absolute final scene. The game is done lots of us at valve as well as play. testers have played through the entire game multiple times right now. We're primarily polishing and fixing bugs which is where we'd hoped to be at this point in the development cycle. We're confident we'll hit our intended release parentheses Aziz. We let the valve time happened before. We announced the game and quote one user when on to ask if gameplay videos would be released before half-life Alex's March twenty twenty release he's to which the team replied quote yes. It's our plan to release gameplay videos in the lead up to launch. Our intention is to use these to showcase not just gameplay elements but also so vr specific elements like different movement options and quote. We don't know a great deal about the game beyond I mean. Come on Joe scrambles made up name. You misspelled beyond your article. Actually you know. Maybe I did that when my computer froze might be me just rebels made up name and take it back What was shown in the reveal trailer above however we do know that it will be single player? Only that it takes place between half-life wanted to and that it's about the length of half life two which is based product is a big game. Yeah you must've loved. PC's before he fell in love counsels. You love half life. I'm assuming yeah I still remember when when the first half life demo came into the PC gamer office. It's still one of the most one of the most memorable days in my games journalism career. Because they'd like the whole office just stopped and everyone crowded around watching it because we've never seen anything like it. Yeah it was a total total total game changer. Half to get to the next level the episodes were great. I mean some of it for me and it's interesting to think about outlet for there's a whole generation of game is a grown-up post half-life. Let for them. It's like you know it was a thing that happened before they were even born. They've just heard about halfway three for their entire life. Right But you know I I love it. Vows made all the half life titles free as a way to kind of on board people who may have missed it. If you've never played the half life gained zero free fucking looking going Stephen get all of them because they're fantastic On a very very excited about this in fact yesterday in preparation for this. Because I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get my hands on Valve Index as much as I love one. Yeah I took my oculus quest and did the necessary steps to link it which I'd never done before now. I haven't done it yet either. I need to do it for half life if Alex is well. Isn't it just a US USB see a USB but it has to be be three okay yeah on Cher okay Make sure you've got a USB three poor on UPC okay to plug into or it could be USB it could be. It could be C- to say you could go down as well make sure it's long I ordered one. There's one that's The out there OCULUS has launched their own one. It's really expensive. Like a seventy five dollar cable based like sixteen feet long so it's plenty of room for life full room. I got much cheaper one from Anka which is still really good. It plugged in and yeah you have to jump through a couple of little hoops. Install a couple of updates and stuff like that becomes a rift and now everything on my My rift libraries. Now playable through the quest which is great. Yeah so I'm hoping that that will be enough. I need to get you to play Alex using that set up. This is a silly question. But which one is the quest quest is the question when we have wireless. It's the it's the it's the hands free one. I I mean hands free. It's the it's the one that does everything without needing one. We loved ones that go then go go go was the self contained one before that it was very very low power. Our Games right hand controllers. You couldn't do much with it. Do you want me to order the scale for the office. One I mean. Yeah Okay Yeah I mean well actually you know what hold on now know. How are you asking me about you? Don't even have a PC at home do you Sudan has one powerful enough to run VR. Who knows you know what I mean? Who knows if I wish I could tell you Gary I look at this? It's it's it's black and it's got like red lights on it and shit and I it looks. I don't know what the specs rain kind words for me. That's a that's a technical powerhouse right to play that game. It's Novo having the half life games. I've started them. I've never enjoyed them so I always stop them. Well then maybe we. This isn't going to be for you either. Well no I mean like half life to me. Struggled the same way that other games do where the other way is suffered from over hyping. By the time I got my hands on half life two in the orange box or whatever on xbox three sixty and I started I was just like I don't get it what what's so a great revolutionary about this because I gave all ready come further than where that was. Yeah that's the thing I mean. You have to remember what you what you're doing is you're playing. You're playing that game in a world in which all the all the shit that inspired you've played. You ended up playing that I if you play when I came out and like I said you'd never seen anything like a hundred percent. You would appreciate it and I'm not knocking for that and I couldn't get into the world and I I didn't enjoy the big the big question for me if any games going to do it. It's this one is an Dan because this has never happened to me. I I really do the big believer and I wanted to go to the next level. Can we finally crossed that barrier at least for me where I'm willing leads to put on a headset and play. A game is as long as like a full on twentieth thirty. Our gang not necessarily all at once but like am I finally going to play again the way I would play a regular game that I'm really into three or four hours a time in Vr. Because typically I like that. VR Fatigue and we set after twenty thirty minutes. And you kind of want to take the head saving maybe for you. Is this game going to be so immersive. The I'm not I'm GonNa Forget the bidding be offer a really long time for me. It was four hours. A resume doctorate bridge crew. I did play now. That's nice. That's that was as much for the social aspect. Sure you should have done Kinda Funny Star Trek Bridge Crew Party mode. You missed We did Youtube Kinda Funny Games. Check it out. It was one of these videos ever made her we we. We did a couple of extremes and it's so much fun how long is that. Okay The one the one VAT donald work. How long is it ten foot? So that's what I say it'll work but I have A. You're the one since Kevin's not showing you and you might be driving a bus can't USB cable online right now hold on. I'm going to give a let me pull up my Amazon until exactly Manno. Biologists rights into kind of funny dot com slash. Wrong says not any. USB cable will do Oculus Link Oculus link requires a high quality USB cable. We recommend looking for a high quality. USCC to see or USPA to seek cable with proven performance points to keep in mind the USB cable should approximately three meters prentice ten feet for an optimal. I am comfortable experience. The charging cable that came with your quest won't work with the OCULUS link. Software Walkers charging cable is USB to while the oculus linked requires a USB the three cable that can support both power and data then Kevin. I don't think it's our Kevin Rodents and if you want to know if you're compatible with. VR Valve has a court. What are you ready for? Valve Index. Kevin I just have just texted you the cable. The I bought from Amazon which I used yesterday. which definitely was but my question is do I need by Anka? They are making. It can also get the official one from facebook. It's like seventy five bucks because it's a really really high end wants your flight fibre-optic sentenced but that's the best right. That's that's yeah eighty five dollars versus this long heaven it's gave us to quests you think I can't convince them to give us to fucking cable's I didn't think about with that. Kevin Split that split the different looking around this couch the ankle one. I just like twenty bucks and it is like ten feet long definitely works but the facebook one UH is like fifteen sixteen feet long like it's a prop VR cable. It's meant to be super long now. You're making me want that sixteen four one get that one then seventy five bucks. I have no more now. This is from that purse. Lodi Jian Orioli They've changed the voice actor for Alex discussing the game on readiness. Part of half-life half-life Alex's Ama Valve said quote we worked with Merle Dangerous at the beginning of half-life Alex Development but in the end that we wanted to go in a different direction we love Merle or work in half life two was instrumental in bringing Alex alive and we hope to work with her again in the future. I'm real dangerous. A Voice Alexander Gordon. Freeman's key companion in half life. Two aunts it's too episodic expansions as the only person to voice the character dangerous Dandridge I guess right Dandridge vocals have become iconic for one of the most recognizable women in Games as such many players. Were disappointed to learn that she won't be reprising her role for Half Alex. In which Vance is the protagonist vow has offered no further explanation beyond this which has left many people in the red thread frustrated? It is currently unclear why valve wished to going another direction or or even what that direction is theories tend to land around the idea evolve wanting a younger voice. As half-life Alex is a prequel in those features a younger Alex but without further valve is unclear of the studios intentions. Alex will this time be played by Ozama Kaga. Thank you her father. Vance has also been recast with James Moses Black stepping into Robert Guillaume Guillaume. Really Roll this change however is due to Johm having passed away on that sad. What does that strike you fan? I Trust Trust Valve when they make these creative decisions There's any number of reasons why they why they may have decided that the original actress voice wasn't a good project Any number the reasons I trust them. I'm I'm I'm sure that if they had the initial instinct was to go back to the original. Sounds like they did right. They brought her in. Maybe her voice change. Maybe we some about the performance wasn't struck in. What's interesting is this is? This is actually a little bit of a new territory for half half-life famously the protagonist who's always been Gordon for SAS not true in blue shift an opposing force. He played different characters. But those are a little spin spin off as well but typically go and Freeman famously never speaks as protagonists. Never speaks in this one as Alex. You're presumably going to have a full speaking role so I I'm I'm just I just can't get enough of me. I cannot wait. I wish I had an index. The index is with the knuckles you'll have like full the hand movement kind of stuff i. I'M NOT GONNA get fucking index and I'm not gonna I'm not gonNA draw a grand on them right now so hit it march in March. Yeah I trust them. Yeah I think so. They said they already used the valve times. People say stuff basically close to gold now. Yeah why not absolutely I cannot wait. I think one of the big things that could delay it is the index itself because Last week this week there was a thing of like. Oh we you know valve indexes sold out right now but we hope to have. We're GONNA have more stock out by the but it's also gonNA support or the other to buy the index. I want you can't AH I. You know I am going to see if I can find some way to borrow index. Somebody because if you if you're GONNA play it yeah this this is a game that again half life is very very special to me in my career. My history is a game. I feel like I'm GONNA play. I've always dreamed the idea of like a half-life VR because valve has been so heavily heavily invested in Vr. Over the years. It made sense that they eventually going to marry the two like their biggest. I mean you know. Obviously this point you could argue. The daughter is bigger for them. But like you know half life is like when you think of valve game has been around for long enough to witness the history of when you think about the first fucking thing you think of his half life that is their signature franchise and to bring an and and those half life games are so fucking good and there was. It's like these are like monumental moments in my career as a game and I go back and I think like the first time I saw Super Mario Sixty four holy shit. The first time I played half-life like there are those holy shit moments and half-life may both one end to and the episodes were all of the and the ignore Ah blue shifted opposing forces. So fucking good I actually. I'm thinking about going back and rea playing them in in preparation for for Alex Industry. mm-hmm what that means. I'm going to play. I should play on like the best. The best the best. Sell it to yourself so you can sell it to your wife not GonNa. I'M NOT GONNA draw one thousand dollars on a on an indepth thing about it this way though right. You cancelled your stadium preorder off. There's one hundred twenty five bucks. You can take the index because you already save only eight hundred seventy five. I think of it this way. You're not buying cyber truck and you want one looking at in the plus side of it. You're the black on this whole thing just think about I'm plus and plus it's research right. I see I could buy. You're not going to be working on this tax. Write off order together and send you on on the on these. I've left to lay on the soda. Again they say they're going to have more before launch. Maybe maybe I'll maybe valve off connections and see what I can do what I gotta do. I go to get an index. Then I there you go you got to this I have. I had a real valve if I know some people are very into the VR world. I might be at least borrow one forgiveness way you we all know the Gabes very public about his email address you could just email gave new caves a friend of there you go see Don. You're telling me can't hook you up with it. Come on whether or not he would. I hate asking people for favors. I'd rather violent. I don't it really can number four ten cents in favor of some. You don't really that often. Game Code Re tweets stuff. But it's always good stuff but that's it's always for someone else who's been in answering for you. Were Thinking Myself Greg. It's true it's never about me. Never meant what can I do for other people gary with a pays it forward all right. He's thrown the ladder. Backed down number four ten cents buying fun. Com tencent has today announced a voluntary cash offer to acquire all shares in Norwegian game developer. Fun on Com ten cents a leading Internet company with a strong online. I'm sorry yeah that's right online games. 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The Norwegian Games developers are currently developing an open world. multiplayer layer survival game based on frank. Hubert's Doon Doon Yours. Yours what do you mean you read. In the Dune books. You mean a big Dune door I I read the original Dune. I didn't read all the others but I like I like dude new movie supposed to be really good written by my good friend John Speights. Okay what else does he work. Doctor a strange. Oh Oh okay cool. I'll see what I think about this since more stuff. It's ten cents. It's world is ten cents world we live in and I'll give you remember that scene. DC Luca the Ron Johnson movie. Lose your bed love. Lubar there's There's a scene in that. Where Joseph Gordon Levitt Joseph Gordon Levitt? WHO's the Hitman goes to visit the Jeff Daniels character and the Jeff Daniels character is someone who has been sent back in time by the mob to manage the the Lupus hit and Joseph Gould Levitz retiring and he's cashing out and Jeff Daniels system? Where you where you go goal or do you do with your time? He says I think I'm going to go to Paris. And Jeff Daniels says you should go to China. And he's not thinking about Paris and Jeff Daniels says trust me. I'm from the future. Go to China and it just makes me. Yeah that's fucking right like it's ten cents while Rogers living in it. Yeah and and and and the and the and the and the financial economic and dare I say political. Oh the colon. Cultural Influence of all that Chinese money flooding into Western media is going to continue to have All kinds of consequences. Yeah Yeah it's another one of those you know. I think we obviously with the free Hong Kong stuff yeah I'm blitz Chong we covered in the NBA. You're going to see all in all kinds of media. Yeah I'm not anxious. I'm interested to see what the next one of those kind of flare ups is. And if it's handled the exact same way right it. has there been repercussions from all this both sides I was the whole thing with Blizzard about it right where it was still unclear if like them being like no one told us to do this. We we did this. This is how you know. And it's like which nobody bought but it well we bought it to the thing of was so where are you terrified of them. So you made the choices the way you did or that. They really did say well. The the the the part that nobody boys when they said this has nothing to do with the Chinese. Yeah yeah of course it was. It was so yeah what those ramifications and repercussions will be. We'll continue to be interesting but those ramifications and repercussions are still so far away. Gary if I wanted something more immediate where would it go. The official list of upcoming software across each and every platform platform as listed by the kind of Funny Games daily show hosts each and every weekday did to to to to to to. 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That's tomorrow a plague tail innocence console game and then indivisible indivisible another excellent game Kevin Bring that up because I I remember that one making the rounds of everybody loving the name rings a bell. Fill out when you pull I. I know that I'm just not putting again in my head right now And then arriving the thirtieth it's sea salt compatible or console on PC and then fishing same world tour. Is that the one you got obsessed with I think it it is yeah streaming planning on Playstation Hook. Some pretty big fish. There you go. That's the one doing for. Oh Yeah I think I think I have this on stain individuals and action. RPG platform featuring stunning hand-drawn art and animation combined with unique real time combat mechanics. Yes a real good looking game. Yeah this is one that I remember making the rounds. Thousands of people being superstock Don. It wasn't my jam kind of games. I never really gave it a look but a game pass blues deal the day for you. This one comes from agnosio row. Hosue wrote independent the Patriots Dot com slash kind of funny games to tell you the deal days. xbox one XS currently discounted at three hundred and forty nine ninety nine in the United States. Is that an official Microsoft. The price drop. I mean that's from Ignacio. It might just be a discount right now in the xbox. Hey Andy you when you walked in and distracted Gary Sonam. How do you distract me? I mean he C- it sounds like you. Do you know what I mean Kimmy. How much is an xbox one x right now Give me a second. I'm going to go to the Microsoft site. 'CAUSE that'll be th th they'll give you the MSL Amazon Amazon has just you. xbox one x bundles are three forty nine Amazon. All right I mean now. Now is the talk shop ex ex SEGA. I mean but discounted on special rush for four ninety nine to three forty nine. I mean this I mean this is the time to do it now the last year before the next gen coming you have less in a year. I you have mere months now. That's the thing if you've waited this long. Just wait for the series ex again. Do the math. I'm GONNA put aside in my head three forty nine now. But that's why they're dropping the priced at five hundred dollars. I'm like well you know what is really only one fifty. I'm telling you just I. I don't know why I'm excited but this this next. Thanks Jen consoles. Just can't get here soon. Enough doesn't live. I'm sorry Whistle Kevin. Are you excited to percents Kevin. Love's tech more excited about. PS Five or series x Evans. You'd Ability Kevin's stew on that and let's go to renew mail. You can be the first question of course if you want your questions. Submitted go to patriots dot com slash. Kinda Funny Games where you can get the show ad free speaking of ads. Greg Way they tell you about today's sponsors we're brought to you today by Manscaping us. Perfect Games daily comes from manscaping. 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So why are you more excited to the less powerful console well. It's I'm more excited for the new playstation console. You know what I mean. Yeah but but why I. Because that's my primary console. I'm excited for the to use the playstation four. All the time so excited for the like there there what do they call all the games that come out just for them exclusive barely any of those left on either. I don't think you're wrong on both accounts. Both now have a stable the first parties. Yeah but they're very small and ultimately tiny fraction of the of the game based Church ever missed. Everything's multi-platform these shirts. The games that we mostly Justin care about multi-platform like the ones that aren't are usually really good. What would you say are the top three? Most compelling compelling platform exclusives on each platform for playstation is GONNA be whatever. Naughty Dog's doing number one all the way right now. Probably now Sony Santa Monica to sorry. I thought you wanted like thinking. Yeah last part two from Naughty Dog. Then you'd probably say depending where he talked to you. I'M GONNA go Sony Santa Monica gotTa War to that. I'm probably GONNA say INSOMNIAC Games right. Yeah I think right below that depending on how all plays out but sucker punch with Costa Sonoma. I'm talking from a very specific Greg level right so you can't exile. The people who are excited for polyphony digital and a new grandparents moved to Sony owned Naughty Dog Okay and then on the xbox five xbox side I think gives away now Halo H-a-l-o sure shirt. I'm more excited for stuff. We don't know about. xbox has done such a great job of assembling all these different I part of currently of what we know. You'd say. Hey sure yeah I want the war. Yeah no shit yeah. Well it's more like what does the coalition working on right they. Yeah I mean that's the whole point is i. I'm excited for that Reveal event where they are like. Hey here's what we're doing. Here's here's what the shoes are. Here's a taste of it. I think even getting I'm surprised we saw something from Ninja theory so quickly right with another send. UN how great that looks. That's when it gets exciting of like Oh man like you're telling me there's fourteen right other. xbox walks things was fifteen total. That are out there. Making amazing things like that and all sorts of stuff like I I. I get burned all the time record. Where are we lead up to eighty three or whatever and I'm like here's what I would do? Here's what I'm hoping for an Yadda Yadda Yadda as somebody who is so lapsed on Halo in this whatever. It was never really my game. I've played a bunch bunch of women. They all run together on. 'EM CARE more about to do my we're about to do is one of the shows for Kinda Funny Games dot com and streaming next week. I think we start my first ever complete play through of Halo One. I Digress Halo. Infant has me very much. I hope I hope they come out and show this and I feel the same way I felt about. GotTa got a war which is a series. I didn't care about either whereas like I finished and I was like. Oh Man I wanNA play Halo. Infant at this point I mean what was that weird trade is it going to be like the destiny destiny anthem model is are they going to take down that road. Do you think of a road that who knows so at this point so fraught with peril. I don't they're not going to do that. I mean your best. I think there's GonNa be a halo. It's going to be a halo straight up and it's GONNA be like a return to form for what Halo is right that I think you'll have cool multiplayer mode. I I hope Tim O.. Jokes in hopes for a battle royale like they put that in there as a modem. That'd be cool right now However this all plays in Newark questions believe it or not you wrote into patriots dot com slash kind of funny games? Just I like Michael Night. Did Microsoft stated that all games released on the XBOX series exit for the first one or two years after the release would be playable on xbox one. Do you think this will hurt their council sales of the series x during this time. I've been xbox owner for thirteen years but bought a PS four last November. I will most likely be buying. I'm the PS five at lunch and wait until series game stopping available on Xbox one before even thinking about buying series x. Thanks for making my two hour commute something I look forward to. Do you think the real name Michael Night I hope so nightrider you know they mccollum nightrider here. That wasn't that wasn't even his real name. David that's author Julian. Yes very good. Got Him in the story though. That was the name that he was given when they reinvented him because he went work for the Knightfoundation so they call him Michael night but that wasn't his actual real name. I didn't know that now. You know I've covered night. Do you think the fact that you'll be able the play the new xbox series games on xbox one for a while you're paying it's A. It's a good question. I feel like this this decision. This is a big strategic. Decision has been made by Phil Spencer in the Super Super Mucketty mucks xbox all of whom are far smarter than me and this is a this is a thing that would be way above my pay grade but to comment on it. I'm I'm guessing that maybe it's a small idea to keep both of the console's relevant yeah You know I can understand that people like Michael here might decide that they're gonNA wait until they feel like the Games are only. He doesn't need as long as revealing xbox one he doesn't need an APP also and I think they'll be people like that but there were people there will be people don't want US series x because they're gonNA they're gonna WanNa play the best version of the game and that's the thing is Ding Ding Ding. That's the answer I think when I I understand your argument Michael but I think framing it in the way we think about council generations and have our entire video game life whereas I think playstation four pro and xbox the X.. Were the first time I've tried to make the phone model. You know what I mean. Let's make a better system. That can run games. Better shrinks over there. But wouldn't you want this when they announced announced that I remember being in such A. What a dumb decision? Why would I do that? Why would anyone that Bob and what happened? Every about those things and they continue to buy them and when my four started started making the slightest noise is Tom. Bro- bought a pro. You know I got a four K.. TV You need it. I feel like it's a smart move and the people that run the Xbox Fox division or have run in the past don't have the best reputation for making smart decisions. They've made some colossally stupid ones over the years but this team. That's not that's not this team. That's right but I feel I feel like this could be a smart move. I think it is. I mean on the one hand if you have an xbox one and you feel like you didn't get the money out in money you put into it. Here's you're not getting left behind. I think that hopefully gets UNICO system and you start playing stuff and you realize oh man I would like to see this in whatever blazing eight whatever the hell it is the new thing I think it it works because when you talk about launching right like playstation didn't sell one hundred and six million units in its first year that's life to date so far right like it's the hardcore disposable income. I need fast coolest machine right. There were people like us are going to Bible these regardless right. We want having we want it. I mean it's the same the one on the X.. Right now some people happy with the one something the experts. The Games are noticeably better on the X. noticeably better and I need to see that is there. We don't know much the five yet but the playstation five is not going to do this. Right would be your guest playstation. Five Games won't be. You won't be able to play them on the for the only for the PS five. No I don't that's not going to be a case space right. I think that that is a foolish move by xbox in this thing of taking it really the next level of this is like a phone model now Ryan like how iphones are between generations and eventually there's a cut off but you know you're still here. I think I think playstation as throwing dominance this generation is very much like no. We don't need to worry about that like we don't care and were backwards compatible. So we're encouraging you to buy this right like you buy a playstation five. You keep your library. Who Cares? Come get the Nice Bell Whistle. Do the next next step of it. Gary it's time squad up is where one of you writes into patriots dot com slash. Kinda Funny Games. Give me your name username platform of choice and why you need help in a video game I read it here. The best friends come and find you in. Everybody Plays Games together today. Marcus Hutchings needs help in killer queen. Black his switch coat is four four three two eight one zero seven eight nine three one one or on discord. Marcus Hashtag Four. Eight zero seven marks rights killer queen. Black is so much fun one. They haven't added the black team yet. But I'd love to have a squad to run with or at least team up in Paris. I play a few nights a week and weekends. If you add me on switch we can see when when one of us is online or you can add me in K.. QB By searching. Marcus there's only five markets is but Oh in colour block that wasn't as described in any hope to play with you soon. Marcus Marcus Hashtag. Four eight zero seven. I didn't even know what Kilic Killer Queen Black is. Should I know you definitely should know. Killer Queen Black Dude. This is awesome. Multiplayer game it was in the arcades and now they brought it to switch and they brought it to pc and it's coming xbox it is already on xbox dot com slash. Are they bringing no. It's not an Xbox anyways though it's this crazy arcade game we're one person's the queen the rest of the worker bees. You have a team that and you try to. There's multiple ways to win including Ryan this giant snail across the screen. All right. You've got my attention attention. Gary what we messed up remember. We asked people watching live on twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games to go to kind of dot com slash. You're wrong and tell us what we screw up as has we screw it up Mr Mitch. George Roden said Kevin is wrong. There are literally dozens of us that like MC fixer no no okay he always talks Chitchat. The chat now no way Jochum Zepe Kill Says Gary Shirt. Is Jose Maury hoax say Marina. Sorry just considered one of the greatest football managers of all time correct. 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