20 Episode results for "Lou Whitaker"

Inside the Parker - Hot Stove Edition: Strasburg Stays; Cole Sweepstakes; Anthony Rendon Market; "Sweet Lou" Whitaker HOF Snub; Rob's HOF Ballot

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

24:22 min | 1 year ago

Inside the Parker - Hot Stove Edition: Strasburg Stays; Cole Sweepstakes; Anthony Rendon Market; "Sweet Lou" Whitaker HOF Snub; Rob's HOF Ballot

"Hello I'm Rainbow Valentine and for the past year. My Dad has been coming clean to me about his decades long career as a big time. Pot Smuggler. My Dad wasn't the most organized criminals he wants. Lost half a million dollars buried in the backyard. We're GONNA find out how my dad was a pot smuggler. For twenty two years and that what costs I'm Rainbow Valentine for my heart radio and school of humans. This is disorganized. Crime listened to disorganized crime. Smugglers daughter on the iheartradio APP Apple Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts for the Berkshires to the sound from wherever you live in Mlb America this. This is inside the Parker. You give us twenty two minutes in. We'll give you the scoop on Major League Baseball now. Here's baseball hall of fame voter number. What three Parker welcome into inside the Parker our off season addition Rob Parker here you? They're coming up on the program will talk with former major league manager Bo Porter about the nationals. Shoot signing of Stephen Strasburg also Julia McWilliams from the Boston Globe joins us from San Diego and the winter meetings. He'll talk to us about what's going on on the Red Sox in the future. Mookie Betts that plus my hall of fame ballot our reveal that and much more. Let's go leadoff. It's getting robbed and keep them up rob's heartache on the three biggest stories in major league baseball number one the Washington nationals did the right thing he staying in Washington DC as Stephen Strasburg is on the verge urge of a record breaking contract Yes to twenty nineteen world series. MVP has agreed to a seven year. Two hundred forty five million dollar dollar contract with the defending nationals and That news coming down the first day of the winter meetings in San Diego and and no one should be surprised it averages out to about thirty five million dollars a season and breaks to records at least temporarily David Price Vice previously held the record for total dollars committed to a pitcher which was two hundred seventeen while Zach Cranky held the mark for the highest average and will value for pitcher at thirty four point. Four however we do know Garrett Cole will get signed and he's probably going to break that that's how much money's out there for baseball but but let's not make a mistake about this The nationals did the right thing keeping their own guy and then he had a great year was eighteen and six a three point three two Era In thirty three starts and then thirty-one-year-old was just masterful to fall in a postseason going five with the one point nine eight era in six games he had five starts in the postseason and of course in the world series against the Astros he started and won both game. Two and six and unbelievable Four Stephen Strasburg the Moslem talk to both the nationals and their fans and to Stephen Strasburg he earned every penny of it number two Garrett Cole all is going to get paid. Some people are thinking that he's going to break the bank and could get maybe even three hundred million sources are saying at the Yankees or in all the way that they've Gotten a commitment from ownership to be able to go and get Garrett Cole to add to the top of their rotation there are other teams that are definitely interested in them. He had a phenomenal year. Didn't win the CY young. That went to Justin Berlanda his teammate. But what he had a CY young type of Season Garrett Cole Twenty Nine years old twenty two months shy of Strasbourg. And here's another another one. You ready no injury history. So three hundred million makes total sense in this situation and immediately There's competition is not just the Yankees in their supposedly this competition coming from his hometown. Angels and perhaps even dodgers and and Even the San Francisco giants. Apparently they have money. They're also interested. This will be interested. And they'll be a little bit of a bidding war. He'll make more than Strasbourg. Org But Garett Cold GonNa hit the Jackpot. Baseball keeps selling our big money probably will be an eight year contract for three hundred million dollars and aw tell you this. He's worth every penny of it again. The team that signed some will be in the mix for the postseason and potentially the world series number number three Anthony Ren don't yes he is going to be paid. He's the big slugger out there on the free agent market and there are team named for him. There are at least two teams vying for the services of the twenty nine year old third baseman. who had a heck of a year with the nationals and the the nationals came out and said hey we can't sign both guys the at Strasbourg and you had ran don and so they chose Strasbourg and you know? Baseball is about pitching so the renaissance had a chance to cash in as well. He won't get the kind of money that we just saw with Strasbourg. It'll be a lot of money and the two main people supposedly in the Texas Rangers and the Los Angeles dodgers. The Rangers make a lot of sense. They're opening up a new ballpark They love to add his bat. And the dodgers up again dodgers have plenty of money and I think that they're looking to up the Danny in La Not Making the world series this year but have previously made it two years in a row but still don't have the hardware dodgers having won a world series since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. So this'll be another very interesting spot where he can land So Anthony Random but back up the brinks truck for your payday number four. Say It isn't so Lou Whitaker has been overlooked again this here. We go the again with this. This makes no sense to me. Only from this standpoint Lewitt occur did not make the hall of fame via the baseball writers. But there's Veterans Veterans Committee that votes on our players who might have been overlooked who didn't get into writers way. And here's molly issue. Why in the world did the Committee Sixteen member modern era comedians? What they call it? They voted in Ted Simmons the former catcher and a former executive Marvin Miller For Changing the game of baseball through the players association that helped create free agency but whitaker her in his first year consideration on the ballot got just six votes which were six to twelve needed. Here's molly problem. Alan Trammell Rammell and Jack Morris from that Nineteen eighty-four Tigers World Championship team. They both got into the Veterans Committee and and especially Trammell trembling. Whitaker played second base and shortstop together for twenty straight seasons with the Detroit. Tigers Lou was rookie year. He was a tremendous player. And here's my only point if Allen travels into the Veterans Veterans Committee than Lou. Whitaker Shoulda Gotten. I don't get this. 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I mean this is an exciting time of year for Major League Baseball and I couldn't be happier with all of the the traction that has taken place where what free the agency with trades and you look at the number of teams that have been inactive or tanking over the years I I. It's just good to see that there are quite a few teams that are looking to get better and we should say Bo. Puerto Right now is in San Diego for the winter meetings. He's also an analyst for the Washington nationals television and speaking of the nationals. Did they make a big splash on the first day of the winter meetings by by signing the stud as right hand Stephen Strasburg to a record-breaking seven year two hundred forty five million dollar contract for the right hand thirty one year we use all What a great deal for the nationals? It's a wonderful nationals. Again I think in the day and age where you see players there's jumping teams and And then you think about a guy like Stephen Strasburg who obviously was another one pick overall he he he is one of those guys that stay in Washington was very important for him. And it's great to see that the organization and the player spoke with England so get exactly Willoughby's they wanted and free agency and when you look at this bill and again you know I'm in the organization that understand you know. Learn family understand. Mike Rizzo. This was top priority for them. Stephen Strasburg to retire as a Washington national. And here's the other part that I loved. The organization organization came out no games no Baloney and said. We can't sign both guys anthony when donor was tremendous again for them. One of their guys. You said that we have two big time free agents and we're going to sign one and there was no monkey business they pick Strasbourg. And you know what you know the game ball better than anybody. The game is about pitching. And when you've got a guy like that at the top of your rotation it's hard not to want to sign him. It was very difficult. We're going again. I think when you look at the free agent market and what has taken place in the early stages of the free agent market. There's even a return to the importance of starting pitching and I think the Washington nationals run-up success through the postseason en route to winning the world series has changed the thought process. Ah Lotte Front offices. And a lot of teams as they're starting to put their teams together. And you look at having those three horses at the front of the rotations. Jim Was Strasbourg Sherzer and call in. They were able to weather the storm of even one of the worst starts in Major League Baseball Nineteen thirty one. But when you have those courses and once those forces got going it was it was a great success story for the Washington nationals. But back to the deal rob when you think about L. Strasbourg opting out of the four years. One hundred million. What does that tell you right there? I mean can you imagine a hundred million guaranteed and you opt out of it. I think I would be afraid to leave the house. Well I think one. He knew his value When you look at the market and what other pitches agents had gone? It's over the course of the last few years but when you break this deal down you have eighty million of it the furred was the Washington nationals to me this was. It's a no brainer. Because if you take the seven year to forty five and you subtract two hundred million that he was already do over the four year period. You're talking about three years at one hundred and forty five million well if you're the nationals you get to the for eighty million of that. Now you're looking at three years fifty five million team Strasbourg when you when you really start to take a deep leno does a real numbers. You're right those are absolutely real numbers. There's there's no reason not to get that done like you say already on the hook. Four hundred million Already so yeah. It's a sweet deal and for Stephen Strasburg who's comfortable in Washington There was talk about the padres and the dodgers and maybe the Yankees and different teams. Who are looking for a stud? And he's comfortable. He got paid. What he you believe even know that won't last long? We both know that Garrett Cole will will wind up getting a bigger deal but I think Strasbourg did the right thing. Yeah and getting the biggest priority team Strasbourg. I think his family and you mentioned you know him. Being comfortable in Washington he has basically. It's route to their his family's comfortable there. And those are the things for Stephen Strasburg that were paramount and his decision making and when you look at the fact that even the deferment servant of the contracts Stephen Strasburg will be a part of the Washington Nationals Organization for the rest of his life so them deferring a portion of his money. It just gives the organization more flexibility to go out and continue to make the team better. There you go Washington nationals. Get there man Dan. I don't know if they're going to repeat and win. The world sues again but they did win they did win. Strasbourg was a big part of it and they have them back in the saddle. Hey Bo Porter always a pleasure to have you on the podcast match day. Well we'll talk soon. Okay thank you up. When rob was a newspaper columnist he lived by vis motto? If I'm writing I'm rippin. Let's bring in a writer. Broadcaster older new Julia McWilliams. One of the brightest new young baseball writers. He covers the Red Sox for the Boston Globe. Julia what's happening. What's GonNa Rob? Thanks man always. And he's down into winter meetings in San Diego. A lot of buzz going on down there ever was happening. And everybody's weighing on the colder. Oh to drop. You saw transfer after seven years to forty five yesterday Board held his His annual winter meetings You know a a party whatever you WANNA call it. His his his thing has a big Shebang. Yes and he's Co is GonNa get more than that and we know closing holds a better pitcher so The a Yankee said they won't be denied. Thank you said enough to be tonight. You know usually get the guy that they want and they have money to pick up money to spend. They got money they got money and you know oh I think this year against the Houston Astros when they're when they're pitching plummeted. Their bullpen ran out. I think the wake up call the CASHMAN and say hey we need to go out and get some guy. How about the Red Sox? We know the big story when Dave Dombrowski was fired as team president and they were talking about the red sox going on welfare and You know they don't have any and all that other stuff I mean. Help me out. What are they doing and is there some way somehow? mookie Betts is going to be unloaded. Well I mean that's always a possibility if you look at the luxury tax situation and if they get under the luxury tax but you're trying to get on a twenty. Njit two hundred eight million dollars vic eight hundred million dollars next year granted. You're looking at mookie Betts Guy. That's that's a You know a two thousand eighteen. MVP You know. He's the second best player in my opinion other than my trout You know this is a God is the fixture in that line of man and and you know they've gone to the table and they they. They offered him two years and this guy is adamant that he wants to go into free agency. They so they could unload them but the fact of the matter is I don't know if if you unload them and you're a team that's in the running for something you know. Okay it's not like Kawhi Leonard Situation where you're guaranteed it's baseball you know that it's not a guarantee that you win the world series just because the one guy and granted if you unload them you might be giving up some prospects in return so You know and he's a rental. It's a rental thing. So Oh it's GONNA come down to our team it'd be willing to give up the prospects and I don't know if they'll be able to be willing to do that because it'll be a huge because he's he's that type of player. What's your gut? So does he ought to. Does he play for Red Sox this year. Yeah I think he. He plays the Red Sox. This Jack can't see. It seems unless team field that they're really really close and he'd be the guy to get them over the Hump I can't see them Giving giving last year I returned the new to make twenty seven to thirty million dollars in arbitration this year. So that the one that bill I don't know I think he plays for the Red Sox this year the Texas Rangers got a big checkbook. They opened up a new ballpark. This season coming up. You know they're talking about trying to get Garrett Cole I I mean Anthony Window and what do you think about that. Where does he want? Why does he want them pay? That's I mean he's the he's the Texas kid I mean people I spoke to somebody from From the national after the won the world series and they said you know they're they're pretty much you know Sold on he's probably not gonna be able to come back next year. I know they offered him to seven years to fifteen but a lot of that was the furrow money. He declined that so I think they got they got the Strasbourg deal and now they're looking at a situation where they're trying to get them but I don't know if they'll be able to dish out that type of money to get lost and I think he either goes in Texas now The angels that makes too so you never know what that situation but this is the guy that put on the show in the world series and you know he he deserves the money for sure last thing just your gut where does Garrett Cole Wind Up is it. The Yankees isn't the dodgers. Is it the padres. Where does you wind up? Look the Yankees missed out of them in two thousand eight he decided to UCLA. He grew up Yankee Gi fan. A Yankees swing and miss when they really want somebody I think he ended up being Yank there he. Is Julian McGuire. Who covers the Boston? The Red Sox for the Boston Globe always a good recheck. Him Out Julian thank you so much. Happy Holidays to you and yours and create a robin anytime. 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Simple the hall of fame madder. batters people care who's getting in people don't even know what the criteria is in the pro basketball hall of fame remember the NBA doesn't doesn't have a hall of fame the Pro Football Hall of Fame Nail Eleven twelve people in that can't be a special place if that many people get in at one time but all right. I've been a baseball hall of fame voter for number years is my most prized. Possession and here is my ballot for the Twenty Twenty Hall of Fame Class. I voted for Barry Bonds. I voted for Roger Clemens. Yes I voted for Gary Sheffield. I voted for Sammy. Sosa you get ten votes only voted for five five. That's four. Let me tell you why voted for the first four Barry Bonds all time home run king. Roger Clements Seven Cy Youngs Gary. I always Sheffield over. Five hundred home. Runs Sammy Sosa over. Six hundred home runs. Yes they all get my vote and of course the number one vote on my ballot for this year's first year on the ballot is none other than the captain. Derrick jeeter from the New York Yankees over three thousand hits unbelievable career rookie of the year. Twenty years with the Yankees five championships. I I think he had nearly perfect career in baseball. I'm I'm not sure if you're going to get it. Unanimously like Mariano Rivera. Did what Derek jeter gets my vote. Recap Rob Parka. Voter number number Baseball writer number one three Barry Bonds. Roger Clements Gary Sheffield Sammy Sosa. And Derrick jeeter in the words of New York TV legend the lay Bill Jorgensen and thanking you for your time this time until next time Rob Parker out can't be incited Parker next weekend. Same Bat. Time mm-hmm I'm Zoey Deutch. I'm Amanda CEO's Hey there I'm Bellamy young and today I'm GonNa talk about what I wore when I auditioned for scandal. 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Tom Cruises Righteous COVID Rant & A Theory That We Are All Martians

Matt D’Elia Is Confused

1:03:36 hr | 4 months ago

Tom Cruises Righteous COVID Rant & A Theory That We Are All Martians

"Hello and welcome to mattingly is confused. This is matt delhi Km diesel and this episode is actually a day later than i wanted it to be. But yesterday when i was just about to record something happened that insured. I would not be able to record yesterday. And what that thing was was my a mom. Texted me that my that her dog the dog she and my father have his name. Is lenny and lenny got attacked by fucking coyote. So yeah that that that. That was not only upsetting. But i covered because whatever the fucking old you know i offered i was like what you. What can i do to help. I'm young and fucking buff. So whatever you need for me so my dad was like i just you come with me. You mom can stay at home so she doesn't have to come out and do all this shit we they had already taken the dog to the vet to just assess the damage before we took it to to the hospital or anything because the vet was like read street from where they live. They go in and they're doing the fucking bunch of x rays and my one on my way out there. My dad fucking texts me. It looks like the it looks at the best of of the coyotes so he and he sent me a picture and the fucking coyotes tail off. He found the fucking tale of the coyote in their backyard. Just like as if it's like a clip on tie it just snapped off from the from. It's from it's ass and you can see what a blood with a tail ends and it would normally attached to a coyote ass. It's just snapped off. So lenny got attacked. Attacked back cody. Ran off lenny. Got fucked up. He got bit in the neck bit in the abdomen. He got in a few places but he's alive and he is a fucking bat us and he's not big at all if any of you know my dog's size charlie. He's not he he. He weighs less than charlie kaz. Charlie's a fat fuck but he's like a little bit taller but he's he's. He was a true stray. Charlie was arrested but she was rescued when she was a puppy. Lenny was not a puppy when he was found and he was just this fucking feral wild animal basically so that shit kicked in and he fucking fought back and fucked it up fucked up the coyote. My mom saw talent event she saw. The coyote is running scurrying up into the hill apparently with no tail aunts and. Yeah so then. He's fucked up We haven't heard anything today. He stayed overnight at the pet hospital. and so he he. He was feeling good on pain meds. And hopefully we'll have some good news soon but it looks like he's gonna live either way but we're we're just not sure about what it's going to look like moving forward because you got you got fucked up you got fucked up but he got fucked up and thought the fuck back and kick this shit coyote and bit its tail off. And he's this small terrier that is my twenty twenty one inspiration. I'm i'm sad. It happened and i hate seeing animals and pain They get confused. And it's so fucking sad with a person how much pain there and you can always kind of explain it unless they're like a little baby which is obviously the saddest possible thing but when any animal is hurt they don't obviously you can't explain to them what's going on so it's just it's just like It's a very sad fucking thing but you know. He kicked the coyotes that so. That's pretty fucking cool. If you're going to get attacked by cody. It's cooler to fight back and bite the coyotes tail off than it is to die and lenny did the former not the latter so bravo. Any we love you. So that's first off and christmas is coming up in three days. This is tuesday the twenty second christmas for those who don't know december twenty fifth and it's december twenty fifth every year and. I like when christmas is over. Not because i'm some scrooge fuck and grinch but i get stressed out by christmas. I don't like getting gifts dislike getting gifts. But it's not like a thing i like. In general i become much more concerned with overwhelmed by made anxious by the prospect of of reacting. Because i tend to i tend to. It's not that tampa down on purpose. But i think just in the course of my life. I've been told enough times that went. I'm happier what am excited. Or when i'm grateful i don't show it like there's some between my brain and my face and so i. It's a weird situation. Because i'll get a gift. Even if the say. I love the gift i got. It's a it's it's i still have to be like okay matt time to act like you love it because i it's got me in fucking trouble for lack of a better phrase. I'm i don't want the person giving me a gift even if it's a a gift i don't want them to feel like they got me shitty gift but especially if it's a great gift i don't want to. I don't want them to feel like i don't appreciate it. Its greatness or just the gift that in general so while i'm opening gifts i'm always like all right. Get ready to fucking be excited. And then i open it and it's fucking random excited and i'm like okay. Act excited and then it's the whole fucking ordeal makes me feel like shit. This is the hyper awareness of hyper awareness. It's like a meta hyper awareness and Hate it. I hate it completely and it makes me not want gifts. It all makes me wish. I was a jehovah's witness because then i wouldn't have to worry about this shit do when i was a kid. I had this friend adam. Bauer at empowers. This is jersey. And he was a buddy of mine. And he was a jehovah's witness and i didn't know what the fuck that was. Because i was six or something and i had a little birthday party for my little fucking six year old friends and everybody came except adam. I was bombed. Because i love that and After the party. I was like mom. Why didn't adam come as sucks. I knew i had invited him and she was like well. He's a jehovah's witness. And i was like what the fuck fuck is. What does that and she was like. Obviously shocked didn't really know. What did you hope was witnessed. And let's is let's face it neither do you. And let's face even more neither do i. But what we all. At least all you know. Regular americans raised in the judeo christian tradition. I suppose All we know about jehovah's witnesses typically is that they don't celebrate things thought it was. They didn't celebrate christmas but they don't celebrate anything and so adam wasn't allowed to come to my party. That is the worst tenet of any religion or sub religion or whatever. How could you sign up for that. It could be the rattus thing in the world and they're going down a list of things you gotta do and the tenants the core tenets of the religion and then if they got to and also we don't celebrate anything i'd be like I'm gonna be a different thing. I'm gonna find different one of these But yeah adam couldn't come and adam the next day at school who was on a weekend in the non following monday at school new adam. This is one of the fucking. This is sick. Actually adam. I haven't even seen ataman thirty years or something. No less than that but long fucking time him if i saw. He definitely wouldn't recognize me if he saw me. But this is so cool that a kid did. This is probably going to jehovah's witness for it. But whatever he was like he he he he met me. I don't know if it was at the back of class or whatever the fuck it was in the hallway. Fuck i remember really well and he came up to me like it was some drug deal. We were six though so it wasn't a drug deal. But he came up to me like all like fucking shish and he reached his bag backpack. Whatever the fuck it was. I guess when you're sixty you have a backpack. i don't know But he pulled out anybody who who grew up. When i grow up at least if you're a boy her you're you're into sports at all you might know. There were these toys figurines. i guess called. I think the brand was called starting lineup. And they were just figurines of baseball players in action and an atom pulled a starting lineup thing out of his bag. And they're starting lineup figuring were solo and then there are really expensive and cool ones. That were two players engaged in something that two players at the same time can engage with whether it's near collision or somebody sliding into a based and the you know the infielder tagging him out. That's what this one was. It was a two person. Who was jose canseco sliding into second base of the as and lou whitaker of tigers about to about and he looked at me and he was like. I'm not supposed to do this but i wanted to. Come near birthday. And my mom wouldn't let me and my religion says i'm not allowed to. I don't know if he said at this eloquently because he was six but he was like. I don't give a fuck about the religious shit. I wanted to go to your party. I not only have fomo. And wish. I fucking was there but also it was your birthday and you who are. My friend. deserve a gift. And i remember. I didn't have to do the acting. Thing i i was just like. Wow dude you fucking rule not only. Are you a conscientious carrying friend at six. But you're also saying fuck you to your dumbest religion. And what i don't mean to do is to specifically say that jehovah's witnesses are particularly dumbers but any religion that is that overtly stupid which is all of them just not every religion is about. This is this way about this specific thing but they all other dumb dumb dumb shit and this six year old was fucking bold and independent enough to be like. I don't go fuck. that's my friend. I missed his birthday. I want to give him a gift but he was only six so what he did was he took something he already fucking owned because obviously six year olds don't have money. He took something he already owned and gave it to me. Now that is a fucking cook it. What the fuck is a jehovah's witness. I don't know. I don't know what it is. All i know is. I'm not one of them but are aren't they the ones that come door to door. There's there's too many. I know mormons come door to door. And it's much more likely that a mormon is listening to this episode than a fucking jehovah's witness just simple math. There's more mormons more. Men's mormons so But i've already talked about mormonism on the show actually before move on from mormonism and talk about a different kind of cultish religion Remember when mitt. Romney was running against barack obama. And hang on what the fuck. Yeah remember when Mitt was running against barack and no one at all. No one at all to my memory. I remember i was paying attention. This was my adult life. I was engaged in politics. I was paying close attention. I don't remember any pundit or opponent politician from the democratic party or an opposing republican candidate before he won the nomination taken him to the fucking cleaners for his crazy ass. Religion crazy ass religious beliefs mormons with special underwear and shit but the election before that and also all throughout obama's presidency. They were we were being told that obama was actually a muslim and he's not even a muslim if he was that be less cultish and certainly less common just in terms of sheer numbers worldwide. Being a muslim. Is there a way more muslims in the world mormons and he's not even one obama's not even a muslim and there were endless attacks to the point that people still some people still believe. Obama is either muslim or secret muslim. Which by the way not a thing and nobody took mitt romney to task for his insane special underwear religion. That is one of the weirdest fucking double standards ever i. It's got so many layers to it that that is we're also. Mormons are so fun to make fun of. I was a big missed opportunity. He's fucking senator now. Still we could do it now. But that ship has sailed. Nobody even cares anymore. He's just to a mormon. Now who is a senate. Everyone's like yeah. I know missed opportunity. Okay yeah so the next Adjacent or just straight up called topic or related. Topic is scientology. Famed scientologist tom. Cruise for those of you. Don't know tom cruise is now making him Mission impossible seven and while making mission impossible seven just like every other movie though are very strict. Covid rules and Everybody's high strung as anybody who listen to this show knows. I was just on a movie where the movie had to shut down. Because the fucking idiot sound guy erin fucking. Aaron decided to take it upon himself to not tell anybody so therefore lie and go to a fucking halloween party maskless while everyone else is falling the fucking rules and he brings covid back. He tests positive for covid. He gives it to nobody else. Except the one person he's around maskless. Which is the person in his sound department. Names tom poor. Tom didn't fucking anything. Besides higher erin which was clearly a mistake anyway and this was a small indie. It almost fucking ended the entire production. Tom cruise is out there. Making mission impossible seven. That's hundreds if not thousands of jobs on the line if covid comes along and there's an outbreak that puts a lot of people out of work at the very least puts a lot of people's paychecks on hold if not totally racism. And i i heard about this and there's an leaked audio clip. This is where i'm going with this of cruise flipping out which i'm just about to play for you. But i listened to the audio clip before reading what had happened because it's unclear based on the audio alone what the offense was that cruises so pissed about well. I listen to this audio. And i didn't have the context but afterwards i read what the context and while listening to it. I was like before knowing the context. I was like i mean he's got a point. He's very very angry and he could probably have handled it better. But i totally get it especially after the fucking aaron incident. I'm like rarin red hot ready to go. Just follow the fucking thing. Not because i'm asking you to believe in the fucking disease and its lethality. But i do want to keep working and i don't want people's fucking hopes and dreams to get crushed by your dumb ass who needs to fuck and go to a halloween party and i go ufuk some ready to go ready to be mad already. You know so. I take tom side. But then i not but then i read the article. I get the full context and it's an all that was happening. Were two masked people were standing too close together booking monitor their gets closer than the not six feet. That's recommended and then i was like i mean that is so fucking overboard but i still get it and honestly i like that. He did it. Play for you guys right now. A little refresher hair s every. Sure not get the cousin. Seeing that i've seen crew. President people are losing playful. Ford skander interrupt here. That's that's exactly what i say to all anyone. I meet that i'm considering making a new friend out of that's what i say and how i say it to them before we commence our true friendship just to again so i tell them my criteria for their french for our friendship and i say i told you and now i want it and if you don't do it you're out. That's how that goes. Okay here we go kiko. We are not sitting. I see so you're seeing it you. That's it clear. You understand what i understand the responsibility that you have because i will deal reason got tom cruise's mad and i understand his his anger but the thing about that audio clip is that he's being so fucking tom cruise. It's incredible. He just sounds like tom cruise in a scene in the movie. Besides the fact that you can actually hear that has a mask on his face which is an additionally funny part of all this. But i love when people freak the fuck out and they get caught on on the get caught somehow being recorded somehow whether it's on video or voice recording whatever the christian bale one is. Here's the difference. Though the christian bale one for instance he's being without gradation without qualification a tremendously enormous fucking asshole. Tom cruise you could make a case that he's being an asshole but he's also ultimately is right. He might be doing it wrong. He might be being a tremendous lee enormous fucking asshole but what he's saying. He is in the right christian. Bale was a tremendously enormous fucking asshole and was not really right. It's definitely annoying. That a dp would be walking around in in an actress. Ailine while filming. But it's also not warranted. Because what he could do is he could go up to that guy and say hey. Can you not do that ever again. Thank you because the consequence of him walking behind in his while christian belts filming is the stakes on that. Let's say are pretty fucking low stakes on the cruise thing are fucking high at least perceives them to be very high he clearly has whether it's an inflated sense or not he clearly has it in his mind that some part of the industry is sort of relying on him and this movie to get through and to be produced to completion. Let's say without any cova halts. Or whatever the fuck i mean he makes. It seem like he's the most noble motherfucker in the world. I a sleep with that. Whatever he says he says it wrong but what he means is he goes to sleep with these responsibilities on his shoulders. That's true or not. I believe that he feels that way. But yeah when. I when i few or things get me more excited than when someone sends me something and the headline is like so and so caught flipping the fuck out. Doesn't matter who. Or why. I am less than half a second away from clicking and walking away from whoever i'm with from whatever i'm doing finding a quiet spot where i can be alone with this development and take it in without any interruptions. That is some fucking meantime. Shit and i will not be deterred. I will not if you don't like it. You're fucking out. I'm sorry but you're gone. I see you do it again. Fire fucking tom cruise. Tom cruise his next movie. I guess i'm assuming after the pandemic's over. Because i think he was supposed to be making now i think mission impossible got pushed to now his next movie directed by doug liman who who made edge of tomorrow which is pretty cool movie. I love tom cruise by the way. I'm not shitting on him anyway. I'm about to kind of shit on him now. Up until this point hadn't been shitting on them now. You can make a case that. I'm about to be talking should've done so. Doug misdirecting movie Starring tom cruise that takes place in outer space. I believe it takes place in the international space station. And they're actually shooting it in outer space. Tom cruise actor. Tom cruise is in a movie that they're about to make that takes place in outer space and i'm sure it was tom cruise idea because if he didn't want to do it. There's no way this could be possible. They're actually gonna shoot outerspace. That's fucking stupid on so many fronts. The whole idea of moviemaking is getting so fucking out of hand. Now people actors people who act meaning they act like other people not only now are actors increasingly not being allowed to play people. That are very very different from them. You have to stay in your lane in an identity. -tarian way as an actor. Which is the dumbest shit ever. You're an actor. The whole thing is to try to stretch yourself and see actor stripped themselves if you're an audience member and be people different than themselves to whole thing anybody paying attention hollywood right now. It's a whole fucking thing. Now that's being applied to earth and versus outer space. just sh- just make it up on earth. That's what i'm paying for. I'm paying to see a bunch of made up shit. And i know that when i go see a fucking tom cruise movie. I'm not like forgetting that. That's tom cruise and thinking that that's a real fucking guy fucking Dismantling that bomb and scaling down that building in dubai and jumping off of that plane hanging off. The plane's wing those things organically happened and what happened to film them. Those are all staged and as much as he's really hanging off the edge of the plane. He's also really fucking safe considering and really really fucking planned. It is a performance. Pretend that's what we're paying you for to pretend good all you gotta do is pretend good. You don't need to actually be fucking outer space. That is that is a hurdle en very fucking hard thing to do that. You just made up that. It's a good idea. That's not a good idea that it's too much no one will be watching and be like. Oh that's better because it's really in space the movie your suffer why. It's harder to make a movie outer space. It's better to stay on earth. Would you know the conditions you know how the atmosphere works every movie ever made you get more control and make it look like outer space. This demand for everything. Being the thing actually isn't fucking fiction shit is annoying Just make it up because that's what we're paying for make up we like that. We've historically liked shit that people make up. So let's do that all right. We'll take a break now. And when i come back i got some more fucking groovy as shit for your gate. Don't go anywhere. Mattia is confused will return right after the break. If you have not heard about anchor it is the easiest way to make a podcast. I use anchor to make this very podcast. First of all it's free so there's that and everybody wants free. 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Also make sure to follow me so you never miss an episode of the show and back and sh- real quick before i get into some shit. I knew i wanted to talk about is remembered. i've been really interested for whatever reason lately in I mean. I've always been interested in this but particularly lately i've been like reading about it and trying to learn about it Which is ultimately dead end. on the subject On this particular subject. No one really knows the answer. And i think that's one reason why i'm so fascinated by it but i'm certainly not alone. Everybody everywhere unless you are true. Fucking unreflective Idiot has thought about where we come from not geographically but like how the fuck are humans as a kid as you start to learn about evolution. You're like but there are still monkeys you know and obviously as you become an adult that goes by unless you're fucking idiot. And then you're out there arguing for creationism being like. We'll malcolm there still mckee's if that's what we started out as. Hey you're fucking dumb But yeah i mean where we come from like. Evolution is is incredibly fascinating. Obviously and i'm i'm i'm equally as interested in that as you probably know if you listen to show but more than that now at this moment i'm i'm fascinated by the idea that at some point organic materials that are naturally occurring on earth created a living thing called genesis right non-life to life that happened. Generally scientists agree. That happened one time not many times in many places but one time in life proliferative proliferated from that one moment. There was a leap from organic materials. Meaning everything in the in on earth. Somehow something happened that triggered some kind of the catalyzed. Something people still don't know everyone's got fucking theories but there's no concrete evidence and probably never will be ever of how this happened. But at some point we know non-life went to life became life and then millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of years. Later here we are being fucking idiots watching the kardashians you know but the thing i learned about. And there's a whole if you're interested in that there's a whole fucking tons of books you can get into a lot of it which i already read about or or i don't want to say research because i'm just a fucking guy but it is something i'm fascinated with end for no particular to no particular end. It's not like. I had a reason to study the ship but it i am so deeply curious about it. I have read a lot about it but there was this one new thing i learned about the other day. That is a possibility apparently taken seriously in the scientific community which sounds crazy. But i guess it's not so the idea is there was this period Called the heavy late bombardment. Where young earth about. Four billion years ago was hammered by a bunch of meteors and because of something that ha- whatever. It doesn't matter why it happened. It gets super boring. But the result was an endless stream or very very long. Relentless stream of asteroids and space rebel were slamming earth adding to earth's mass but also creating massive explosions massive heat reactions to the as the earth is growing. It's like a snowball thing like a smaller piece. Adds to the bigger piece when asteroid hits. It doesn't just like bounce. Obviously and so the mass of the earth grew and some of that or rather right after that is when we can trace our first the first trace of of organic life on the planet so it's like four billion years ago was the heavyweight from bartman and like three point eight billion years ago is the first choice of life that we have found on our which means one of two things happens it happened. It means the heavyweight bombardment ended which meant life had a chance now to spring from the elements that were already surrounding the earth's atmosphere. And everything like that because the fucking crazy chaos of the bombardment was over and so life had a chance to flourish. Because obviously you need time for that to happen or wife was already on the planet and the ones we're tracing three and three point eight three point. Five billion years ago are the ones that survived so basically it's potentially an extinction event but because it was such a heavy bombardment as it's called the earth. Got so fucking fucked up in regard that there's no way to even see what the earth really was like before that. There's no fossils before that because it got hit so fucking hard so we can only go that far back really so we don't know but one theory this prelude to this point one theory. That again is taking serious at least by some people in the sciences is that a piece of one of the things that hit us at one time or another or or times was from mars. The planet mars early young planet mars. Or what would at least become mars because we have pieces of rubble from meteors asteroids. That came from mars on earth and it looks like they have organic materials on there because mars has a rather similar climate in some ways tour so mar pieces of mars have come here. Pieces of mars have organic material in them doesn't mean they're alive. It just means they have the same ingredients for life that is on earth and because we can't go back before the heavyweight bombardment and see what earth was like those organic materials with their the theory that i'm trying to describe now and i think i think succeeding but possibly states that there was no organic material. There was no potential life on earth until this fucking piece of pieces of mars can and hit earth and brought life here. The or brought the potentialities for life here. There are signs that there used to be big bodies of water on mars before earth. So the thought here. Is that pieces of mars with organic material. That aren't on mars anymore but pieces of are going to from mars. Old mars hit earth and because earth was also earth was what it is what it was and has always been since that moment. Life took hold here but life. The potential for life was thrust at us from mars or what was mars or what was to be what we know as mars so this took me nine minutes to say but my point is we all might be martians. Every single one of us because again this thing only happened once the snap from non life to life or so we think and if it happened just that wants and if that wants it did happen because a piece of fucking mars slammed in our planet in that piece from mars brought the things that that that are needed for life. Let's say the missing ingredients of life that earth did not possess at the time. We're fucking martins. so congratulations. were all martians. one thing. I definitely need to talk about. Is the new stimulus bill which i just want to put any of you have heard about this. I'm suing some of you. Have i hope some of have but ever since that first covert relief. Bill that we got i think in april or maybe may i think it was may so we got twelve hundred dollars. Direct deposit people on unemployment got enhanced. Unemployment i think six hundred dollars a week or something. It wasn't a lot and it was just a one time payment But it was to everybody kind of like the the idea. Just everyone gets the same amount of money and that was obviously wasn't enough to help people who were really hurting or even mildly earning which was so many people but it was a welcome thing in in people i think thought a the whole pandemic thing was going to end somewhat soon or at least ease up so the money was like a temporary hold over thing but then as the months go on and we don't get more relief from the government who we give so much money to every year in taxes and the months pass and it becomes a political football and pelosi and connell or sort of blaming each other and trump has gone back and forth feud a few weeks before the election still overly bill trump comes out and says i will not be passing or signing any covert relief. Bill any stimulus. Bill rather until i'm reinaugurated which is basically. He's threatening. the american people are holding it. Hostage thing. I'll give you a lot of money if you just vote for me again. But then everyone got so mad. It was the that was one of the worst political moves he made. Actually it was all during the timing. He it was like this crazy mess of events for him but that was one of the few things that actually immediately has walked back in the course of the last four years it was like no. We're actually going to do it. That's the thing people don't realize about trump what he's done the less for years people really think he's just like impulsive but thinks what he thinks. And it's just going to do it no matter what that is not true if you look at his proposed paths forward throughout the course of his presidency. They're impulsive that he thinks of them for sure and he just snaps off but he's throws endless bullshit against the wall and just sees which one sticks and that's the one he goes with no matter how crazy the process isn't i'm donald trump. I'm crazy. I do shit on a whim. And that's that the process is on donald trump. I'm fucking crazy. I'm going to tweet this and if it gets attention and people like i'm gonna do it more and if people kind of ignore it. God forbid or People universally should over it. That goes right out the window. He's not different than other politicians process of how to arrive at. The idea is different because he does it. All in public usually politicians are doing the focus groups and they come out the other side real rehearsed and real polished and they feel like robots and we hold that against them. And that's the right thing to do. We should hold that against them. But trump supporters gets credit for being the way he is unapologetically. But that's not really what's happening. He just does the part that most politicians do in private in public which is vet his fucking crazy ass thoughts so if he comes out he's like i'm not the impulse is to say he's not going to sign any covert relief bill until he's already reelected and in office again but when everyone universities like fuck that and his advisors that hurts you and people in his political party who would normally vote for like. I'm homeless this is unacceptable. He's like oh actually this thing usually. That's the part done in private. That's the only difference here but yeah now that the election's over mcconnell who didn't want to give us any money wanted the bill to be as skinny as possible and pelosi. Who who the fuck knows what's ever in her mind Hennessy pelosi be replaced. You know let someone else do the thing you're supposed to do. I mean same definitely goes for mitch mcconnell but i fucking have talked so much shit about him on this show that to do more. Beaches beat a dead horse. Pelosi has generally stayed out of the crosshairs of my criticism. But she's such a fucking politician and she's so annoying and she's getting a little fucking walkie. I'd let's go so fucking old and this is an augist. It's when you're eighty you slow down. That's not ages that's senescence. Your brain isn't as sharp biden and trump or the two options for president. Both well over seventy. I think trump seventy four seventy fucking aid. Pelosi schumer mcconnell. You guys are to fucking old. These are people who lived the bulk of their lives. The vast majority of these people's lives have existed pre internet. That is crazy. Those are not the people. There's nothing wrong with people like that. Obviously there's no like thing that should be done with them. Culturally societally socially. They just shouldn't be in charge of everything. I'm not saying. Get some kid kidding there. But i don't know maybe somebody fifty fifty sounds good. I'd take sixty and a fuck and heartbeat. I'd take sixty five. I would take a leader that is sixty five that is yup but anyway not to get sidetracked but my point here is that gimme mine. Many for months and months so much of this country has been shut down travel dining public events which is just another way of saying ways of making money have shrunk a ridiculous amount. Everybody knows this is not. I'm not telling you anything you don't know you're probably feeling this. I am everyone. I know one one way or another feeless. Everyone is hurting financially. We got one relief. Check which would have been fine if it was every month or even every six weeks or something twelve hundred dollars we got twelve hundred fucking may and now. We're getting half that next year. Here's my feelings about that. Obviously six hundred dollars better than zero dollars but a part of me would be less insulted if it was zero dollars because then i could say well you guys are. Ideologues are so fucking dug in about this thing. You're very you're very You must really believe it's even worse to give out money than it is to not give us anything or or to give something but now it's here you go. Here's a fucking. This works out to like two dollars three dollars a day or something for the last two hundred days during which so many of us have been entirely unemployed. Not a day of employment. For many americans and bitch mcconnell a nancy pelosi figure out a way to get us six hundred dollars. That is not even close to someone's rent in in most cities. You live in a tiny box apartment here in l. a. and that should at least twelve hundred dollars in that's like a six hundred dollars a fucking pizza you know. It's insulting give me money. What the fuck dude. Give us more money. And then you see the description of what's in the bill and it's so fucking stark because you just read knowledge shit in the one thing. That is absolutely the most important by a lot. Is the people of the country having money having financial stability to some degree so they can also turn spend that money. It's not just about having the money so they can spend the money. Put the money back into the economy and get people making money. This is not just about giving money is making money. Obviously thing i fucking actually have come to really not like is when politicians are always saying americans aren't looking for a hand out there just looking for a fair shake that'll be like what biden says and then a hardcore republican black americans don't want handouts. This is not a socialist country. We don't print money and give it out what the fuck is a tax break. What does tax cut if not a fucking engineered handout. Just because you're technically not just being given money by the government that's what a tax cut or tax break is tax cuts and tax breaks is the most republican thing in the world. So how the fuck do these people say. We're anti handout. And the american people don't want handouts what they want is a tax cut ultimately. What's the difference. It's more fucking money given to you by the government. What's the difference of tax cut and a handout. I know the machinations of them are different but the result is the exact same thing you have more money. The right and the fucking left. Everybody loves tax cuts but no fucking handouts -solutely not fuck you think about it further. Think about the things you say more. Because i guarantee you some of the things that you say you hate are exactly the same as some of the things you say you love you. Just don't fucking realize it. You just been told america's not a socialist country. We don't give out money here. But what about a the extenuating circumstances and what about be the fact that that's what a fucking tax break is fucking tax rebate at the end of the year. If you're lucky enough you don't got too many ten ninety nine w. twos the government. Send you some money back. You get a tax rebate. What the fuck is the difference. Moreover the whole americans don't wanna handle thing that's not true. I want a handout. And everyone i know wants to hand out fucking anybody and i'm sure these people out there but i don't know anybody in any part of the country that if the government was like this pandemic has been brutal on everyone. We're gonna give you all twelve hundred dollars every month until it's over who the fuck would be like none in anonyna- handouts you might take from the fucking guy down the street who's trying to flex i get that but from my fucking government who. I give money to all year every year. Can't fuck and help me back out. What the Oh cool you're giving me six hundred dollars. Give that to me every week. Thanks do i sound like a brat. When i say that for sure but guess what no one can make money. Society is to fucking collapse. People won't be able to pay rent. People won't be off the bhai food. The fucking lines right now when it was a fucking foodbank. It's ridiculous and it's been like that for months. Gimme my money the fucking flaws on these people though this fucking taking days off kicking the ball down the fucking street. Just do it later do it. Later we don't give money we don't like to print money we don't like it. We'll do later. Oh we're gonna take a little recess. I'll do it after the holidays. We'll do it next year. I'll do it once. There's a new president. Fuck you american. People don't want to hand out we've fucking do right now. We do maybe not normally but at least right now. There needs to be some kind of emergency where everyone can count on some kind of income. Some kind of financial stability people have already started to lose their minds. Suicides way up. I don't need to tell you this. You probably see it every fucking day. People are on tilt right now give them a little bit of money and they'll be less on tilt. I always think study that people's iq's are increased by like a full standard deviation when they aren't worrying about money week to week living rather an set another way. Living week to week has been proven living paycheck to paycheck rather has been proven to significantly. Lessen your i q so being in a whole puts you even further in a whole which puts you even further in the whole which puts you further in a whole. The problem is not hard to see. And here's the solution. There is one simple solution. The problem is clear as day and there is one simple solution that is just as clear as day. And it's this gimme many on that end. Gimme many. give us all our fucking money. Where's our fucking money. give it to us. What the fuck mitch mcconnell. Nancy pelosi right. If i don't do an episode before christmas have a very very merry christmas. help all of you all of my jewish brethren have happy hannukah and also all the other fucking holidays that are happening now. If you celebrate those hope you have a good one. And if you're a jehovah's witness like adam bowers was or probably still is stop being one of those pick one of these other religions that allows you to celebrate something and celebrate that thing. Okay thank you. Everybody i love you. All the fucking pandemic is raging style spicy from spy on and government many.

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Longtime Royal Oak Baker Dies Plus 10 Things To Know Around Metro Detroit

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Longtime Royal Oak Baker Dies Plus 10 Things To Know Around Metro Detroit

"It's Monday December nights twenty nineteen and this will. This is your daily Detroit from the North End neighborhood of the motor city. I'm chair stays on today's Today's show the city of Detroit promises. What they call sweeping changes to their embattled animal care and Control Division? We'll dive in expanded Internet sales tax requirements. Look to be closer to reality in Michigan. Detroit Darling Brands. SHINO LA- laying off more employees and outsourcing work a legendary former Detroit tiger. It doesn't make it into the hall of fame and a Longtime Baker in downtown. Royal Oak has passed on. There's much more so let's get started. The city of Detroit announced changes Monday including spending more money and hiring more people to support the often criticized Detroit. Animal Care and control unit. There have been a lot of issues over the years due to lack of funding and a leadership revolving door. Let's run the changes down. The Karen Control Functions are going to be separated under different departments apartments. Animal Care will stay under the Detroit Health Department while control move the General Services Department and team of seven animal control inspectors will be hired word and assigned on a per council district basis. For reference. Detroit's Council districts are larger than many suburban cities in population and land area. Control Services will be open more often expanding twelve hours a day seven days a week. There's also a new hotline three three nine two two dogs to answer complaints in questions and top of all of this. A marketing campaign is coming to raise awareness about Doug on a responsibility licensing and options on on the care side. Seven new technicians will be hired to bring that number twenty. Two part time vets will be added with one eventually becoming full-time now. Let's get to improvements proved the actual shelter building. Three million dollars will be spent to allow a capacity expansion from one hundred and fifty two hundred fifty dogs. A nine thousand square. Where for building will be added for the call center surgery rooms and other customer service functions the expansion on the Chrysler service drive just north of Grand Boulevard is expected completed by the fall of twenty? Twenty Detroit's Darling. Watch and luxury brand seems to be facing some headwinds. As we've previously obviously reported Shinola has been wrestling with its expansions outside of watches and now word comes from Fox to that. They're doing detroit-based layoffs. This is on top of the thirty. We first reported over the summer. Shy Nola has laid off nine employees and they will now outsource leather design and product development. The Watch straps will still be made in house. But if you didn't know Shinola also makes a variety of luxury goods from purses to extension cords the leather producing equipment. Shy Nola will no longer use will be donated to pingree angry. An employee owned company. That helps veterans get jobs we profiled them in the past and will link to that feature in the show notes where we actually visited there. Factory just blocks away from China was headquarters. I'll add a few cents here. The goal of hiring and doing things in America really good one but Americans are conditioned to pay what they pay and there are many many stories. I'm hearing of business owners and different folks. I'm talking to saying the consumers just aren't ready to pay or aren't able able to pay the added cost of making things in America. There's a lot of infrastructure that simply does not exist in our country anymore and if we're honest a lot of in other countries was built by government support and subsidy cheinal has been well funded and a market that should be willing to pay. They should have the best shot at doing this. And even they're seeing issues. I think we're going to have to wrestle with the fundamental question with Labor and all the other costs make things in America that are frankly so much higher than overseas and that that question that we're GonNa have to wrestle with is. Are we willing to buy less stuff less often at a higher price and I don't know if that's the American way we on on the whole like cheap stuff and sometimes for being very real can only afford the inexpensive things because that fundamental culture shift and market demand is the only anyway. We're actually moving more manufacturing back to America because people are going to buy what they want or need to buy and it's really regardless of what any politician of any any party will tell you. Tell your fans don't just have the disappointment of their latest season. Here's another Lou. Whitaker Fan favourite and world series winner with the Tigers got just six of twelve votes needed to make it into the baseball hall of fame in Cooperstown. Whitaker has been up a couple of times before without success. Although with the number of votes he received he's eligible again when the committee meets in twenty twenty two the reaction on Tiger Tiger town. Twitter was strong and swift in reply to a tweet saying whittaker was in the hall of very good not an all time great. Emily Walden a writer for the athletic said. Said simply and I quote okay boomer others said Sweet Lewis Screwed and Jim from this sports. Jim Show said whitaker would have been a first ballot hall of Famer feed played in L. A. or New York if you'll indulge my baseball nursery for less than twenty seconds. Here's something I found interesting at baseball. Jeff One shared that the stats related to wins above replacement or war. That's a measure of value to the team and his on base plus slugging or OPIE S. Well Baseball Jeff here said that Lou Whitaker seventy five point one war and a one seventeen opium s now Derek. JETER which lots of people know obviously New York Yankee Gape who were all pretty sure. We'll get on the first try. Well he's got a seventy two point four war and a one fifteen opium there is however one one positive piece of news for us. Metro detroiters the sixteen member. Modern Eric Committee did vote in seventy year old Southfield Native Ted Simmons making him the fifth Michigander in the hall he was a Catcher with two hundred and forty eight home runs and one thousand three hundred eighty nine. RBI is across. Twenty one seasons the eight time all star played for the St Louis. Cardinals Milwaukee brewers and Atlanta Braves got word in my inbox earlier today from Olympia Development. And they're saying the Boston consulting assaulting group is moving their office from troy to Detroit. It'll be on Woodward Avenue. In a new building. Being constructed on the site of surface parking lot between little caesars arena and and the new Mike Illitch School of business at Spruce Street. This is all part of the district attract development. They're going to occupy thirty thousand square feet of the seventy million dollar building building though. Share the building with the Detroit Medical Center. That's all on track to open in the spring of two thousand twenty one and while we're talking district Detroit. I'll also mentioned something thing that slipped through Friday as we were in getting hurt about a report mode. It was announced that the women's city club building on Park Avenue will get redeveloped an estimated cost of twenty five million dollars townies. That have been downtown. Awhile no that. That's right across the street from where Bucharest Grill used to be what's going into the nineteen twenty four structure. Apparently ten thousand square feet of retail and nearly fifty thousand square feet of working from a Swiss company called spaces to be clear. The women's city club is different than the Leland City Club. You'll find in the basement of the nearby Leland. Hotel that is very very Different vibe and if yes of course it's been a while but but I've been we will be watching to see how these developments actually unfold. The Renton has been trying to find. Its retail identity being the home of General Motors. The offices of Blue Cross Blue Shield and some other businesses but that in house crowd is mostly folks who come to the city and then had back home right after work to serve that beyond uses opening and early twenty twenty in the big food court calling the cafe and that was all recently remodeled beyond uses a twelve store chain that does smoothies salads. And all that kind of healthy stuff. They're doing a lot but in the greater downtown area and they have two more places opening up in midtown and new center very soon all right. Let's head out of the city and the first piece of news. I'm concluding just because I think it's important highlight when elections are close as your vote does very much matter the Oakland Times that you'll find it Oakland County one fifteen dot com says. That Madison Heights elected. Kim Clarke to city council by just three votes this was confirmed after recount. There were five candidates vying for three seats. It's back in November the three winners were Emily Rohrbach Robert Corbett and then Clark in Royal Oak. A long standing member of the downtown community has passed on and his bakery will be closed for the foreseeable future. Richard Herman the proprietor of Herman's bakery on Main Street died this morning. There's no word as of this recording of the cause. Judging from research he was seventy nine years old. Herman got into the business when he was child working under his father. After a time in the Navy savy Richard returned to work. The Baker again in nineteen sixty three. All of this is according to newspaper clippings from the Royal Oak Tribune. It's possible the Herman German Bakery building is the oldest standing down royal oak dating back to Nineteen ninety-two apparently it's been a bakery since nineteen sixteen. The oven still used. Today I was installed in the nineteen forties after World War Two rest in peace and thanks for the sweets. Richard Internet sales tax collections are on a fast track to happened right here in Michigan. Gong were says last week the Senate passed legislation to make this happen as a retailer. You will have to comply if you sell at least one hundred thousand one dollars of goods or conduct two hundred or more retail transactions in Michigan. It's expected this would raise millions in revenue and the measure passed the Senate unanimously with no debate and is headed to Governor Gretchen. Whitmer desk if you're driving on. I ninety four this week in Michigan Indiana Illinois or well if you must Ohio lookout for more State Highway Patrol cars is on I. Ninety four is a program aimed at lowering the number of commercial crashes along the busy corridor. It'll run starting today through Friday and the any. Da is to focus on commercial vehicle violations. That could lead to accidents. So what are the troopers looking for. The state police say improper passing speeding improper lane US distracted driving and following too closely. All right before we let you go. Here's a little inside me of baseball congrats to Cynthia canty of Michigan Radio stateside on her retirement. Now it's coming very soon. The Ann Arbor based station has announced a new host for the show. That's how soon it's coming. April bear will start in early January. Twenty twenty. She is a public radio veteran. Who Most recently worked in Oregon by wanted to give one more hat tip to Cynthia canty? 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Tigers Offseason Special 2019-20 Edition with Brandon Day from Bless You Boys

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Tigers Offseason Special 2019-20 Edition with Brandon Day from Bless You Boys

"Brennan of bless you boys joins us to talk to the Detroit Tigers. We talk about the fact that everybody in the two thousand fourteen rotations a world series. Now we talk about the farm system we talk about the current team does Karen everybody etc.. We hope you enjoy welcome to painting corners. Here's your weekly gas or all things baseball. Now here are your host Austin Hartsfield and Dave could count scheme. It wouldn't be tigers podcast if we didn't start out with the probably the biggest tiger lead of the entire off seasons of our Brennan. How's that are you? At the fact that every single person in the Tigers rotation has a world series ring now I would have been really sad if he told me kind of back in the day but as it happens like at this point you know I'm jaded and depressed and actually usually rooting for those guys to get the rings as Bentley. Only fun part of the fast for years. The only really fun part. So I'm not I've not the one to be too bitter about it. It would really suck it like you know some of these guys. If Justin Berliner had been stuck here this career number one a ring I would hate it that all right with it I you know. Maybe I'm just getting old and I've been in writing about baseball too long but I start to root for players as much as teams and all those guys are good guys It was it was cool to see Anibal Sanchez. Especially after kind of now. Look at my career was going to be over although yes of course it is also an indictment of the Tigers coaching staff. He's a weird one too because he kind of had like a revitalization finalisation with the braves last year. And then he gets this chance. Yep He's one of those guys who just Kinda got caught by the homerun revolution. You know he was a big sinker ball guy. sinker slider die and As he lost last city he just had to nibble too much to survive. Because all these guys are just going down in golf in the ball out on him and yeah the Tigers. Just couldn't figure it out I I wrote about it may deter sinker us before seamer and he did that and kind of developed the cutter as well which is the other part that helped him because his slider was just was just not working out for him anymore either so he you know he got in shape again and changes picnics. And not and that worked out but yeah it's it's frustrating as hell when someone is you know I mean I'm okay. Hey at this but like you know when you can look at and be like maybe he should stop throwing the pitch. Because it's getting killed. Anybody ever suggests this to the Guy I don't explain me. Why on his modern hall of fame invalid? Why Lou Whitaker should be healthier? I think the I mean the most basic reason is that if you look at his career war rankings just to put it in simple war terms. He he definitely belongs in there. You know that there are three or four Career second basement. Who are in the hall of fame who are below him in terms of career war? I think there's a pretty good argument. He made that he was a more valuable player. Alan Trammell was and kept his value deeper into his career Lou Whitaker always had a little bit more power on he he was sort of like to. I don't even know who I compare Alan Trammell too. 'cause they don't travel with smooth but Louisville was one of those those players who just made it looked really easy on a never really never really said much wasn't a guy who would talk to the media very much and you know his teammates. I think Canada's took that the heart and you know I'm just Kinda it stood in for him whenever that was required and yeah I mean he was just used as an all around fantastic player. Did everything well and did it. All for a really long time time like I wouldn't put him in the top fifty greatest players of all time I wouldn't say that we've been you know like feeling like it's super egregious wrong but he definitely belongs in there and I think you know he in Trammell together are pretty historic double-play combination. Like maybe the best ever. Certainly the you know the combination that did it best the longest And we're such a huge part of that eighty four team and the you know they're just an iconic payer and I remember even as a kid like looking over at like like Ryan Sambergen comparing statistics and stuff like that and you know Luebecker matched up with him and beat him. You know a lot of years so it was kind of it was kind of always in our mind that You Know He. He's a guy who should get in trammelled finally got in You know I don't think a lot of necessarily thought that was all going to happen once. Trammell and and Morris got in there that was sort of the push obviously ellen trammell in his In his speech and all that and throughout the whole year long festivity of getting inducted really really made the push and I I think in the end that's going to debt created a little bit of publicity that Lou witter liquor would never generate himself just because he's just a very retiring kind of quiet ma'am him and Yeah so I I think it's I feel pretty Catherine it's going to happen and I think honestly if you look at the if you just break down the career numbers it's it's he's not right like you know. Yeah like I said. He's not like an absolute lack but compared to a lot of other guys who were in there. He's he's definitely a guy who belongs pretty. Obviously so I think he's I. I think he's got a really good shot. I'm I'm expecting us and I probably shouldn't but I got about all right so brandon take us through this season. I know we talked about this. Pre show show the Tigers finished forty eight in one hundred and fourteen Alessio Orioles. Why seven games take us through the pain of Tiger Span During a season like this. Yeah I mean I think we're all start it helps to remember now that it's The Tigers are five seasons now for making the playoffs And I think because you know they retooled and kind of wet for it again in two thousand sixteen. I'm an an and did a few. I mean if you're going to go forward again in that situation you're GonNa do some things that look long-term foolish. They really kind of outdid themselves. While Mike Illitch was alive and as a result you know it kind of kept US hanging on. I think longer longer we had to like. I think we're really only like two years into the fan base. Really like especially like the the the kind of more casual fan really kind of absorbing and coming coming to terms with the fact that we're just not you know we're not going to get any more and are a long way from being good again so I think it took some time and I really think like this preseason was win you know heading into spring training when people were were looking for those optimistic takes hung from the beat writers and everywhere and not finding them at all anywhere where it all SORTA. They hit the fan base. That like. There's no reason to have you know. have any real expectations for the season. And you're just hoping that they do well in the draft and committee developed a few people at the major angelique level and and on the farm and I mean my my fundamental impression of this season is just how boring it was. It was just really boring. You know it was really hard to cover. It was at that thing where you have like one or two guys who are playing great you know and everybody else is just kinda sucking it up. It was you. You Know Matt Boyd. Kind of had his. You know first. Half breakout and then faded Spencer terminal you know Kinda came on but you know other than that. There just really wasn't even anything to hang our hat on Shane. Green had a great season as closer. I'm in the first half. We actually did have some some save opportunities and he was able to convert all of them all the way up. I think other than one up until the time he was traded so it was such a binary sort of thing which we're like. You know one engaged for series. The Tigers of the inland in the series are in the game. I mean and probably would pull it out if they had the lead because they had that going on and the rest of the time. There wasn't really anything to really pay attention to There just wasn't that much to watch you know there weren't too many Prospects called up. Obviously our top prospects are still you know they had twenty twenty at some point. I think a lot of them will be up next season but we didn't believe have too many really interesting guys up this season until you got August and September so I mean it was a slog. The Tigers had this knack for coming out like the first two weeks of the season and winning a whole bunch of games and getting people excited and the candidate that but this this season it faded faster than it has an seasons passed in the park was pretty empty. most of the season season. So it's you know it's just been grim. It was just a really long long season. That didn't even really have the up and downs to sort of toy with your emotions. It was just sort of like yeah. Well there's nothing on TV so let's watch for a lot of the season for those of us covering it and wants to hear me complain about it but yet it's just You know a lot of us at the site and other people I talked to. Who Do Tigers podcast right about the Tigers on other formats? You know we would all be pretty excited you you know to to be in an actual rebuild where it felt like the front office had a strategy Heads had some things that was working on was aggressively pursuing players that they liked even if they were wrong. But it's just been really passive As compared to you know people always want to drag it back to all the astros rebuild or the cubs rebuild and. It's so far divorced. From both the circumstances though to those two teams went through and just in time that yeah. It hasn't even really been that exciting like where I am hoping that next year with them. Casey is Matt Manning. Some of those guys getting in close proximity to the to the majors. That will finally at least have that that stuff to kind of Sink our teeth into because I covered the minor leagues for the for bless. You boys pretty much all season long and that was just way more way. More compelling way more interesting Ben than having to write about the Tigers at all so let's let's go ahead and jump into the positional situations. Give me one word to describe the Tigers correct catching situation and why replacement it level shelter. Sarah's Jake Raj by the way high school where actually live. Oh all right. Yeah I mean I I like Jake Rogers. I think he's he's going to need more time to hit on. He's got a lot of swing and his game and he does have some some swing flaws He's an interesting case because he coming from the Astros he had sort of like the type of modern approach or at least a Homerun era approach. That we've been kind of screaming at the Tigers for being like the the complete antithesis of you know we're still in Lloyd. mcclendon attend mcclendon lane where you know they want you to play pepper. They want you to use the whole field. They WANNA see line drives. They don't WanNa see you guys. Lean back and trying to pull pull the ball on the air and Jack Rogers came to us with that approach and so maybe and probably had is one of those guys that may be too much of that approach a little bit So baby he's a guy that they can actually improve without like totally revamping the player development system as I as I kind of wish they would do so jake. Rogers is pretty. Get behind the plate. You know there were some flaws. Though on he had quite a few pass balls this year overall both in the minors and the majors has always been regarded as a really good thrower. Really Good Framer We saw the throwing some of the other elements to his catching behind. The plate weren't so great But of course you know when a catcher gets it's called up there's kind of a whole learning curve honestly in front of them especially if your farm system doesn't prepare you well and that's you know that's kind of an ongoing theme that a lot of guys you know what they come to. They show up to the Tigers for the first call up for Stan and you can almost guarantee that within the first week. There's going to be some some comment from Ron Gardenhire about you know. Well you know we'd like to see guys play a certain way we need to see the fundamentals. Be More sound than this. You know Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. That goes with an end but no one ever seems to get to the point of A. Why aren't they picking up all the fundamentals in the farm system like why? Why do they get here? You have to you know. Teach them to but they. Yeah just like you know. Kennedy's fundamental fundamental mistakes. Get made so. This is all a long winded way of saying that I still think Jack Rogers Has a decent chance is to be a solid starting catcher but none of us really ever thought he was going to be. You Know Adly rush obviously or even joey bar necessarily so that that's a position that I would really like to see the Tigers address this off season in free agency It showed up. I think in terms of like the pitching staff and who we ahead you know having good seasons that we were able to trade away for prospects which is theoretically the program that we should be at right now but you know we had like John Hicks. Who really really isn't even a catcher Played catcher part time. They went into the season with him. Rookie completely unheralded rookie in Grayson Greiner. Who Most of us didn't really you ever think would even be a major league back up and that was that was the starting tandem and you know it doesn't matter from from a win perspective but it also matters from a development my perspective? And if you're hurting that Boyd's value behind the plate or you're hurting Daniel Norris's attempts to make a comeback or Spencer. Terrible coming in as a rookie You know you're hurting the rebuild not dislike. Well he caused us this game or reminded cost us that game It's fundamental issue throughout the whole organization when you don't have solid catching and there's just happens to be Let's see let me just take a quick look here because there is a whole bunch of Good free Good solid free. Agent catchers that would be upgraded here from Jayson Castro on picking up a guy like Ravi Torino's Swedish saw Alex Visa's GonNa stay in Arizona but that was another idea like someone who could place them. I betas someone who actually has some plate discipline Someone who we picked up for a half year in twenty seventeen and he had like the best first half of his is his career and got us a nice prospect return John Gomez Martinez Maldonado. All these guys are available so that would be like front and center on my shopping. The the off season so I know where I I. Based let's touch on Miguel Cabrera for a second overall. I mean considering. All all the circumstances he's he had a decent season he's been just battling third Because I am sorry I gotta ask No. No no no I was. I was is getting around to the same thing. Yeah you know I honestly the power numbers are probably You know this is probably how it is. What's weird about me? Go Cabrera is that he still hits the ball really hard he still looks like Miguel Cabrera except for the fact that he just he can't drive off that back leg anymore and it's all because That right knee is pretty much bone on bone for most of the reports. I've read and there isn't a whole lot. You can do to fix that. You know he went into this offseason talking about diet nutrition nutrition and maybe it was time to really really aggressive With the Diet. But it's just really hard like what you get to that point. It's really hard to. It's hard to lose wait To take the pressure off that knee because the pressure's already on that knee and you're in a lot of pain all the time. And he still got fantastic hands He's one of the smarter cities I've ever seen. And he will absolutely smoke some hard ground balls all over the all over the Infield but he does and this is. This is kind of going back three or four years. I remember like maybe Twenty fifteen or twenty. Sixteen I was I was right in preseason that you know his his average velocity was still you know I in the game at that point He's still had more barrels. You know than than just about anybody in the game then but he wasn't hitting as many fly balls and debt has turned out to be the precursor to him. You know just more and more not really being able to lift the ball park you know you have to pull it for the most part like McGaw Cabrera Jd. Lemur Tina's like those guys can go deep to center almost almost at will and when they were both going good back in the day it was incredible to watch some of the just the monster shots. Those guys would hit But you know he's got a he's got to figure out a way to lift the ball in the air and pull it and all of that. Is You know pretty much undone by that right knee so you know. Maybe there's something that can be done but Short of him like you know going crazy Vegan. I'll off-season somehow losing like twenty five thirty pounds. I just have have a hard time. I mean this happens with every player coming into straight and you know in the best shape of their life and we've had plenty of those stories from Miguel of the past couple of years and I'm sure he you know he puts in the work in the off season. You know the way most players do but he's just at a point in his career where there's so much more required and I think that you know the ship is just kind of sale Him having the the physicality laugh to even be able to get himself in better shape from their self yet. It's not good on that score. You know. Obviously we're still paying in a thirty two million a year for another. I think five five seasons on that mistaken by four seasons with an option after that. So yeah I mean it's it's Kinda over like we've already had like the two or three seasons of sort of waiting for the you know the late period revival where he has a year or two where he looks like an old his old salt. I'm I'm afraid that this isn't going to happen but you know we talked about this before you know like you would expect it. He can go he can still go to a place like New York you know. If the Yankees wanted them sort sort of a part time the age you would think he would still be able to go go to a place like that and hit you. Twenty five. Thirty home runs based on his strikeout-to-walk ratio. How hard he hits the ball? But it's just he just cannot disconnect lifted disconnect catch balls out front and drive them in the air anymore. And there there's this really kind of no remedy for any of that Fred. Going to the real first baseman for the Tigers Brandon. Dixon are you are you at what what are your. What are your thoughts on him? If Brennan Dixon was twenty twenty five I would be interested. It's just that I think he's going into his age. Twenty eight season He doesn't walk. He's not patient he does have pretty pretty a big time power and if you watch a little bit mechanical but he actually does have like a pretty nice. You know At least at least pleasing to the eye swing swing You Know He. He's a guy who can definitely drive the ball and he just doesn't selected pitches and I. It's hard for me to to look at him and and and see a real major leaguer there you know. He's he's sort of a guy who maybe you would have now that we have twenty six spots You know maybe he's the guy you put on the bench and he would play part-time pinch hit against lefties as late gains that kind of a thing but yeah he's He's definitely not a long-term answer. And I really you know. I've just had a point where I would like to get most of these guys and just just move them off because the Tigers are in bad enough shape where you know the the leavings of a lot of the better teams are way better than than anything. We've we've got at most of these positions uh-huh and rain Dixon and try them but I don't really see any any long-term viability there. He's got some power. He's like a nice bat to have on the bench. You know that kind of thing but yeah not selective enough. Do you think the worst button baseball right now. Just in terms of farm roster everything as a whole. Yeah I do I really do. I mean you could still argue that the illitch family you know if things start to turn around is more likely than plenty of other owners to spend but but even that I think is under question at this point They now and Chris Illitch. Is the team president. They they don't seem real interested Or real engage like when when they give commented. It's really the most you know kind of surface crap possible and they've cut payroll. I think doc ID twenty seventeen. We started out the year at like two hundred ten million and I think we're projected ninety million ongoing this season so they've absolutely slashed all that I You know we've got two big contracts left to go cabrera adding into Jordan Zimmerman's final year after that. I think they will probably spend some money. But I don't think we're ever going to see the the one hundred and eighty million plus Kind of no matter what happens. And there's a a strong prevailing sentiment I think that The Crystal would and most of his siblings would like to sell the team At this point you know. They paid like his dad paid. Eighty two million court back in like ninety one ninety two and you know I mean they could probably get one point two billion now so I can understand why to walk away and And I think most of us would like them to sell the team at this point to someone who's a little a bit more engaged because yeah they seem really pretty much hands off like Hey al Avila whatever you do is fine. And we don't really care what happens will come out there once or twice a year give give the spiel about you know the rebuilding effort and the prospect and Blah Blah Blah. But yeah there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of urgency there at all Really no expectations of any and he sort that anyone could discern last thing before we move on a second base. Is there any long-term solutions in the system at all adversities. There isn't one that I would say is any anything approaching like a fifty fifty shot. I think a lot of us. Think that Kristen Stewart who the Tigers had left field the season season. You know. Hit his way through the minors really. Well has power a good hitter but a terrible terrible like delmon young esque leftfielder might end ended up moving to first base Jamar candelaria unfortunately has been a disappointment like he He's the guy who looked really history when we first got him and is actually seemed to regress. He's had a Hamate bone issue in. I can't remember which risk but one of his wrists. That's that's something they can't really repair. And that's always is linked in the background. Like maybe this you know. He's just not a guy who's who's going to be able to You know putting enough work to get better you know simply based on that alone so yeah. I don't really think there is much of a of an answer. This guy that we drafted this year. I think in the sixth round of Bryant Packer who some of us like you know. He six rounder. You're you're you're not expecting a whole lot but But he's got power and discipline Some decent hands. He's a guy who maybe could come along and play first base for you but right now there really isn't there really isn't solution and when we were talking about Shane. Green Trades at the deadline and talking about the red sox. You know that that was one of the reasons that you know Trista cash is kept coming up because we you know. We don't really have anything that that excites over here on that score of so you know there may be. I don't really honestly I for space is one of the last positions. You necessarily need to worry about but Yeah I don't really see us I'm racking my brain throughout the minor leagues exit. Think of anyone who might even be a long shot to play that position in the future. I don't really think we have anything like that. Or just gotTa take on Spencer Torkelsson you know with the first overall. We're all pick next year. That's the point right now. Let's go to a position that makes me sad because I asked you this question last year and I have to ask you this question again. This year please tell me Clinton is going to baseball cody. Clemens is good at baseball dude like like anybody who makes it to the AA levels. Great Baseball laking credible baseball. A top. Like what's wrong with the fact that he doesn't have a position would I'll say this recorded comments. He's he's not one of the guys who have like others. There's just no chance His swing is just long. There's there's too much swing and Miss Castle a still in his game and he doesn't complement it with enough other tools you know. He doesn't really have much in the way as speed. He's an okay defender. But he doesn't Doesn't have much much of an arm so he can't really even play like recant. Really project them to right field if the bat did come along. Yeah I mean he's a guy who's who's just got a very narrow path after the major leagues and it's got some you know he's got decent plate discipline and he definitely has some some good raw power but it's sort of a clunky kind of mechanical swing Without really great You know contact ability. He just doesn't have the hands to get to to get the pitches away from him. He's still got a whole will for sliders down in in that you know standard for prospects in general but looks a lot further from from being solved that would be. I think that he might figure it. Out But You know in the tiger system went. He's probably like my maybe third or now like fourth or fifth ranked resist position player. And this is how talking about him. which tells you that the Tigers position players on the farm? It's not there's not a whole lot there but I haven't given up uncoded clemens but I think like by the end of next year. We'll know like you know he. He looked all right. He didn't look totally overmatched. Aa only got in maybe a week or two you up there. So he'll be at W I think most of the season and By the next season will know. It'd be nice if it worked out if he can shorten things up. Get a little little bit stronger a little bit quicker with the bet. There's still a chance I'll say that much more excited. You said there's still a chance in like em like the little longhorn inside. My heart was like yes. That's good tell me a chance. Yes let's go I. I'm I'm down hooked horns. It'd be like the most successful loan for to the major leagues right now outside of Brandon Bell relic which is. Oh yeah thanks. Very Sad Yeah yeah that's great You know let's go ahead and talk about the rest this is this. Is this the year and we just got AA this year. Do we see as the major league level this year. Yes yes and if we don't I'm GonNa frigging riot relieving what they're waiting for now You know if it was me I'd Cana just be ready to pencil in at the third base start the season and you know maybe like if they want a game and you know wait forty games then and then bring 'em up do that kind of thing That that that would be kind of what I'm aiming for I think I kind of feel like Isaac Parade. He's honestly just needs to be challenged a little bit more He didn't hip for a ton of power this year. But he's just such a God damn good hitter He's just a pure contact hitter. You know Draws as many walks as yes he does strike out hits the ball hard lot. The Tigers kind of had him. You know working on unsparing the ball to right field and trying to use the whole field which is sort of their you know their sorta the operating philosophy and he struggled a little bit. You know the first couple months of the season and people were kind of worrying about that but it just felt like they were. They were trying to get him to adopt that approach. Approach a little bit not open up on his hips quite so early in his swing. I'm scandal online a little bit longer and as progress. You know it. It was just it. It was Isaac again. You know just to smoke in the baseball hard all over the place He's still got some adjustments to make. I mean you don't necessarily need rush him I I'm perfectly fine. If the Tigers eggers decide they want to keep them in Toledo until September. I won't be be thrilled about it. Because we'RE GONNA BE PLAYING HOT garbage at a couple of positions but now how is afraid. He's one of the guys who I am. Still very confident is going to hit and is going to develop power more of power approach as he matures a little. But he's still a little. I think twenty one right now. Although you know you never know never know about each for sure with the international guys He's a big boy But he's you know he's man sized already. It doesn't look like there's that much more he's going to learn in the minor leagues and I really would have wished the Tigers had brought them up to Toledo later. Let late this past season. I've just to kind of get them acclimated to the major league ball To See if the ball started flying out for him if he would be a little bit more aggressive arrested about trying to take pitches early accounts and pull the thing out of the park Disarm flying out like that but you know in their wisdom. They didn't they didn't do that. So that's fine wind and waiting for that weird twist and it's going to happen when the bald kind of happened. This postseason the rumblings of air already that like the balls this it can be completely different next year. And all these switch it back. Just like everybody's always GonNa notice before you just flying out everywhere. In Benton to twenty again they're gonNA accidentally only switched the balls the wrong way and make them more flyable and dynamics I literally just saw a tweet from Minor League Baseball Baseball where they were talking about how the Chinese tariff's GonNa increase the price of a batch of twelve balls by fifty six dollars. I think in the next season I didn't even know Rawlings was making the balls in China. I thought they were still being hand-stitched and the Dominican by you know people who give a damn about I don't know I don't know what's going going on. They'd be begging fans to throw the balls back. Yeah exactly we're GONNA cry all my guy. Can you imagine if they would actually let they ran. I am low on balls in some wild shit into this. You know this is kind of a plug and play as like the base of a something that we talked about last year is GonNa be the case again this year or do you think they give somebody else a shake. You know you played Harrison there. He played Beckham there a little bit this year. What does it look like this year? Yeah I mean I. I'm kind of hoping they can find someone halfway interesting to claim you know just like because I have broad whole now some. Hopefully someone younger gets released. You know I mean then might even be a place where they could use the rule five. Pick to find like a guy who plays good defense and Canal. Hasn't figured it out yet. I just wanted to get some young guys and try them. Try something Despite by conviction that does not get a player development so you know they can play Nico Good Room. They're nickel was an above average shortstop. Who can actually hit? And the Tigers didn't didn't stick with them. As soon as George Mercer came back they played Jordy Mercer Mercer shortstop. The tech moving Nick Goodwin played like Centerfield bright field field first base. They had them all over the place but I think he I want to say. He played about forty games at shortstop and posted in above average the arrest and I wouldn't hang my head on I mean Nico is like a nice player. Who has a lot of tools in maybe has a bit of a Got Whom I think of the The twin site last year he played for the Astros. Mr Versus Super Has Yeah. I could see you know a little bit of that kind of career for Nico Gooderham. Perhaps paps but he is twenty seven dollars so I I don't know if there's much more development there for him either but you know he can run. He still some bases. He's got really pretty good power patient at the plate. He Hits a tunnel drives US actually pretty unlucky this year. I'm considering the line drive rate. He put up almost thirty percent He was smoking the ball all on especially in the first half and just kinda battle like a hamstring and growing cat combo meal on in the second half and wasn't around very much so he's an offer me he's part of the the middle infield equation for us next year. But yeah I mean it's just really hard to tell like the Tigers. Have these notions. That don't really seem to match up to reality. You know from outside and that's fine you know if the right but I haven't really seen much much evidence of them being you know more able to predict predict what's going to happen than the rest of us you know public analysts just looking at the stats are watching guys. Play are able to figure out so yeah. I don't really really know what I think. The Tigers are going to do in the middle. Infield is if we wanted to take it cannabis as both positions of this is kind of a black hole right now like Willie Castro who he got four Leonis Martine in two thousand seventeen You know a decent young hitter late kind of a smallish guy who probably isn't hip for that much power but you know the the word on him when we got him is that he was a pretty solid defender that he was going to be major league. Ready defensively at shortstop and you you know pretty soon and he was he was got off last year honestly defensively and a lot of it seemed like mental mistakes like the the fiscal bills. Were still there You know he's still got a a strong accurate arm has Hanson looked but he just he just seems to fall asleep out there sometimes and at yeah I mean seeing him in September I really. I didn't think anything other than like. Yeah he's got a he's got to play shortstop at Toledo next year and work on some of this And I don't know I mean this kind of ties into it Just just to keep noting toward the player development side the Tigers fired their AAA manager. Doug Banquets after one year after signing him to a two year contract contract and I don't know there's a lot of debate about like why. Why they they change directions? They are a couple of the guys like I said like Rogers came up. You Know Castro came up and they end. They just weren't fundamentally sound defensively that like they just looked Sloppy and a little bit mentally overmatched. And so maybe they took that out on Doug Mankiewicz but it also. There's also the perspective that a lot of people who are can insiders have which is that Doug Mankiewicz is just not a guy who's GonNa Bullshit you about like how good your prospects are. And how good everybody's doing you know. He's he's going to tell people you know pretty much straight up. What he thinks and the Tigers are very much in pr mode right now? Because they don't have a whole lot else to offer and I don't think they like that and you know Doug Mankiewicz is kind of an old school guy like you know. He's he's not someone out there You know in the cage studying. Everybody's blache motion data analytics. I don't really imagine but But you know that there is something to say for that you know that kind of final boss before you get to the the major leagues who is really hard on you in forcing you to clean up all the details the little things and that was kind of what he was supposed to be here to do and it seemed like that was what he was trying to do. And it may not have gone that while but Yeah it was a surprise that the Tigers I decided to to fire him and they don't seem to have anyone internal that they want so maybe it was just the fact that so many guys got fired. So many managers and coaches got fired As soon as the season ended that they just feel like there's there's some opportunities out there to pick guard as replacement. I am all for hiring Gabe Kappler installing him as AAA manager and then putting him in charge of the entire player development system. That would you like pay him like ten billion dollars. Whatever it takes to get them to do that for us for two years revamp revamp this whole thing and let's go But to bring it all the way back to the middle. Infield heggers have kept playing Isaac Frady's at shortstop and he played shortstop in the Arizona. Fall at is pretty has good hands. Looks very very comfortable at either shortstop or third base. I'm really strong accurate arm. But he just doesn't really have the range that that you would like to see to play shortstop and so everyone's always assumed he was going to move. But when you look at the way the game is trending and the fact that you know there's less ground balls You know the shift is sort of you know trimming away a little bit at the need to have like super great range out there you know. Maybe maybe they could try to fudge that for a couple years Johnny Peralta every range and really have that good of an arm either but he was just fundamentally sound enough and had the bat and it you know and it made the rest of it moot so they could try that too but if it was me I would just play nickel Gooderham. shortstop do whatever you gotTa do at Third Base until you're convinced that is a craze can come up and play third and then yeah they've probably got find someone to play some Middle Infield and hopefully someone who is released and there's a little bit younger on there just. Isn't that much point to me to having. It's an bringing back. George Mercer or Josh Harrison. I if they think there's some value in the room by having one of those guys there that's fine but I I would rather than try to take a flyer on someone young. I want suggested that I my podcast. Co host has brought up as we could just take up someone like Jason Kipness or as Drubel. I Guess Asdrubal Cabrera one of those guys if they wanted to just to fill in the gaps. But yeah I mean. I'd just rather trying to find like a like a shortstop who has failed looking like that. Maybe Chris owings. I don't know we could plug Chris eggs in there. We had Gordon Beckham this year. Could that'd be any worse I've I've seen I've seen things. You don't believe over there in Boston Brandon moving to the hot corner. You touched on a little bit. What's going to happen at three? I mean you got Lugo go and Castro. What's I mean? What's your outlook for that position? The Tigers are gonNA play Dowa Lugo because they a wasted JD Martinez in trade. and W goes the only semblance of a of a of a real player that they got out of the deal and and he's terrible and they're going to waste time with them Probably for four months. I guess this this season you know that will lugos like a solid defender under. He's got good hands. He's sort of like a like like hell to describe what kind of a history is like. He has good hands. He doesn't strike out very much on swings at everything. If he if wholesale to like sucked you know just didn't have any you know command over the bat and You know could just flip the ban on the ball like just had. I'd like the hand eye to put the battle in the ball could drive it anywhere. Couldn't take any pitches that will go the whole way up through the minors is just like the master of the scorched ground ball. Double Down the line that that sort of his. That's his trademark that's that's the that's the big show. He's a weird guy you know he he has a really Liam. It's hard to explain like just invoice with images is a really rotational. Swing is how I would describe it. he doesn't like drive toward the pitcher so much as he just sort of like spins his hips and and slaps ball hard on the ground and swings. Like a door doesn't swing league. That's a great. Yes that's perfect. He does swing. And you're Kinda guy who he was with a different team. That was a little bit better for it at hitting instruction like if he put on the Yankees I I could see them maybe cleaning up and you know and driving the ball a little bit more in the air. He's probably got fifty five raw power like fifty fifty hit tool but the but the power does never comes because everything is on the ground. So yeah I don't know they're gonNA waste our time with him. I'm sure for a while and there's enough potential there it's like it's not impossible that he could figure it out but it's possible that the Tigers are going to help them figure out. I would put it so yeah I think he's GonNa play about two third base and at some point. Hopefully Tigers will kind of get over that and and just plug. Isaac parades in there but I I expect to have to put up with a with a few months of fulltime dot will Lugo and the you know the people cheering on his every halfway decent moment. God I can feel I can feel already got Birdie inventing the twenty twenty season right now but yeah I mean. There's this kind of how it is. He was the only guy that was that was relieving like a forty five future value. Type Guy that they've got for jd Martinez and so the you know the discounting is going to do their thing and run them out there until we're fed up with it so does Sergio Qatar make any appearance at all. The thing earn. Where does he wound up position wise in the future I mean it's it's not impossible? He might make an appearance but really he's. He's a defensive replacement type guy he is a really pretty good defender of. He's got a fantastic arm is twenty car looks great. Yeah Ah I mean. But that's you know like He. He's a he's a guy who's GonNa play some pepper you know. He's kind of ease another one. Who Sort of Jose glitziest type with less power? But maybe maybe slightly more disciplined so. Yeah I mean that doesn't really anything mayor to look forward to. I'm afraid either. The is a really slick defender. He's like he's a fun player. Watch if you watch minor league ball but yeah. I don't really see him ever having the bats feed to handle the major leagues at all. So yeah he's he's probably a non factor too. I'm afraid ton is is pretty far away too so that'll be a while at that position. I mean is there anybody else in the system. You're kind of excited about as far as enfield guys. Yeah I'll say this I mean I kinda I kinda interested to see what he does. Next year. I liked Andre Lipsius. The the Tigers third round pick like he's he was kind of an. I think he was a four year junior But I think he wasn't. He majored in like nuclear physics. Or something like that. Like a really smart guy who was who had the academic side and probably will go on to to do something in that when when his baseball career is over. But he's a guy who's a pretty solid defender under he's scrappy. He's obviously smart like He. The games I saw him play for the West Michigan whitecaps at the class level. Like he looked like the smartest hitter on on the field for the most part so but again he's he's a guy who's got a small that really bill doesn't really seem to have that much power. He's a guy who I I wanna see now that he's committed to baseball fulltime like what comes out looking like physically next year at an and sort of what he can do in his in his first season. Listen and after. That will probably have a better idea like I don't. I don't necessarily expect a whole lot from him but he does have plate discipline. which is the thing that the Tigers really struggled the draft You know guys who even have have you know the I two ever develop like the. They're just really bad at finding that the Tigers guys who swing at everything and he can put the bat on the ball and they've never really shown much propensity for being able to sort of you know. Teach guys how to how to turn that into you know becoming an actual hitter with with some plait disciplined selectivity. I'd religious might be the guy who can sort of figure some of those things out by himself but he's another one you know he's got a pretty Hansie Swing It's it's not real. Pretty he sort of just you know can kinda gets by being ahead of the game on a lot of people and as the stuff gets better he's GonNa have to get a lot better physically and We'll have to see how it kind of goes in his in his first full season next year. But he's you know he's someone who at least be paying a lot of attention to but yeah. Yeah I mean yeah. infield is is really really weak basically every every position every you know every position on the field is is kind of it kind of up for grabs right now. There's really nobody has a lock on anything You know long term at all but we have a lot of pitching guys. Okay so jumping into the outfield. I mean you really can't start anywhere else. Other than the Nick Calcio. Trade buzzer beater trade at the deadline to you. Top prospects was the return what you thought it would be. And what was your reaction to the triggered. The return was was pretty much what I thought it would be. The and and it really is much. I mean Alex Lang is a a decent relief candidate. Paul resign might be you know might be like a six starter guy Who comes up and and get some spot starts for you down the road but that seems to really be kind of the upside there you know and that's to be expected like teams aren't giving up that much for players especially rentals anymore and nick? Cassiano didn't really have a very good first half the Tigers Really You know I mean pretty much the really mishandled the entire Nick Cassiano situation like I was right in that they should extend them the minute. They traded Justin verlander and JD. Martinez not knows because it was pretty clear that you know there wasn't going to be enough time for nick. Delight move to right field get good at it. Sort of established himself there her and become a trade chip who still had a couple years of control left and they ended up just not. Doing anything really didn't really negotiate on any kind of an extension. You know. There are some rumors that there were some some talks about it but nick put himself out there in a way that players. A lot of times won't do and and really made clear that you want him to stay in. Detroit wanted to be part of turn. Turn this thing around really. Well stay here. His family was all you know he grew up with was kind of all tigers fans. And so this is the place he had always envisioned myself. Kinda came about in publicly. Settle those sorts of things and the Tigers response. You know it was pretty much dial tone and I know that hurt him. You know that they had to hurt him because Nicosia analyst. There's an a particularly good player. He's a he's a good hitter. You know that that's kind of fits best for somebody who needs a D. H.. Who can play some outfield? And and you know basically guy who puts a lot of balls in play hard and online like the the caveat would be like a perfect guy for and I kinda thought this might happen either like the perfect six hitter or five hitter for the Astros like He. Put Him in there behind. Like ALTOONA. Bregman your Don Alvarez. And he's he's going to have have days where he's just smoking doubles all of the field and driving everybody in and we saw that with the cubs you know once he got over there but yeah you know I mean it the way I look at it as a GM job to get maximum value out of all of your assets in in whatever way and the only thing that you know excuses anything it really is hayward competitive were attending and we weren't anywhere close to that They could easily afforded an extension on him and we would have still had a pretty the solid bat that you could probably D. H.. You know a lot of the time because obviously Miguel Cabrera's going to be hurt quite a bit. He's going to need a lot of days off so castanos kind of defensive liabilities and right even though he's terrible but You know certainly not. Even really an average defender. He could have been a part of the rebuild and given you you kind of a bad start start building everything else around and they you know they just didn't seem to have any interest so you know I wasn't surprised that he was traded. I wasn't surprised is that we didn't get very much back forum I was I was really pissed about it but I was almost kind of over that like a year ago and the rest is just sort of waiting like where he went. So there's another guy who I like at a personal level as far as liking players. Go I really liked neck so it was nice to go to Chicago. Have a great time and just rake over there. I know a lot of tiger fans who've talked about him for years and I've had to keep arguing with we're sort of You Know God smack to see him become like this huge fan favourite and all the ladies going crazy for Hitting home runs and doubles all over the place at basically doing everything he could carry the cubs on his back to the postseason. So yeah I mean I think nick is a better player than we saw here in large part because it just wasn't much else around him he had a really good two thousand eighteen and he was out basically the whole year and we had nobody around armed him and he's still hit you know. I think he's still posted like a one. Twenty eight of Ersie plus something like that. So yeah. He's a solid player but without him there. You know yeah who who plays filled extra for the Tigers. I mean we really. We Have Cobi Jones and Victor Ray who are all sort of defense I center fielders and and in Rightfielder Maybe it's Travis Merit. Maybe Dance Cameron. I you know I think those are those are really kind of the two options. So they'll probably one of them. The Tigers Agresson heavily. He's Kinda hinted that they might try to find some kind of power bat or two to play first base and help out there and in right field so potentially something nothing like that will happen. I I certainly don't feel great about disturbing the job right over tries to MIRA who didn't really show us a whole lot after Shane Green trade with the braves. He was sort of the second a piece of met deal. Like another guy who has some potential can lake. Nicole from Lake has like decent around tools but just just doesn't really put it it altogether or has yet. So he's going to be getting a lot of time in right field and I'm really hoping that Das- Kinda come on in at least Put up a pretty good show and start taking taking some of that time for him. If Travis doesn't kind of get it going next year hey guys. 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Well I think the you know the best thing to happen for him is that he proved himself to be a good defender at all positions in the outfield. Like you could put them out there and feel pretty good about it because even that wasn't wasn't real certain last last season at people who don't know the Tigers picked him up in the rule five draft had the first pick in the rule. Five drafted took him from the Arizona. diamondbacks after the twentieth seventeenth season basically stashed him all year. Because it didn't matter and we could in twenty eighteen and he came straight from AA and had to come GonNa try to hang hang in the major league environment and it was bleak like most of us were sort of just like what. What were they looking at? You know what are they seeing this kid other than the fact that he's you know six five and can run you know there's there are some physical gifts there but But this year he sort of shorten his swing out he he basically took on that. You know that Lloyd mcclendon in let's play some pepper approach and it just and it just kinda worked out for him you know. He dabbed his way to a to an okay second half but even that was like you know it was like two one hundred twenty plate appearances where he was spraying the ball around and it was it was dropping forum but but still hasn't really much of a way to tap into his power hit for a little bit more power our at triple A.. And I think really the only the only thing that's kind of left with him or the or the thing that you can kind of hang onto his. A glimmer of hope is that you know his as development. Kerr has been kinda screwed up by the fact that he had. He sat on the bench after jumping straight from from AA to the majors. Went back to triple a this season. which is what he needed needed all year long but was also kinda bouncing up and down so it's not impossible that he might find a little bit more of a gear but at best I would say he's he's sort of an average outfielder? Whose whose main value is GONNA lie his defensive abilities so that's kind of who the guy is so I don't know if you know this or not but one probably the biggest guy that the painting corners podcasts are fans of Austin Meadows? His younger brother Parker Parker meadows this is in the tiger system thoughts on him. Yeah I mean Parker Meadows Yeah the Tigers took him in the second round in the draft in two thousand eighteen out the high school you know. He's he's another guy who has like a lot of tools But feels like the kind of guy who also might take a little bit of time to sort of put it all together other physically because he is six five and he looks like he's maybe two hundred pounds. He's really kind of a beanpole he can run. He's got some weapons swing. We've seen some really nice raw power from Amman occasion but he has a really long swing. You know like when scouts talk about bad speed like the way. I tried to explain this to people. It's not like how fast you're traveling you know it's it's it's basically zero to sixty it's acceleration and he's got work to do there and you know some of that may is be shortening the swing and and physically getting stronger So I'm looking forward to seeing you. Know him kind of grow into his frame a little little bit more a little bit more coordination and strength can kind of Can kind of smooth out some of the rough edges in his swing. 'cause he can you know it. Definitely capable of playing center field He he should have pretty good rob. How're he's got decent accelerate along limb guys who are fast still aren't very good base stealers and victory kind of fits that mold? I think Parker medals will be a little bit better on on that front but But yeah he's he's got some swing flaws in. It's hard to be caffeine it. You know if if we were if you put Parker Meadows in the astros system is probably like just just by the fact that I know he's going to get good instruction structure like almost bump them up like you know two of almost fifty future value type data as opposed to like the forty that he probably is with Astros Astros. He's probably a forty five because I just don't have a whole lot of cabinets that this team can produce hitters and we haven't really seen anything to to really counteract it Even the Castanos who sort of one hitter that tigers have managed to develop over the last six or seven years was was pretty close to a finished product. Even Even within like his first year in pro ball he was. He was just a really precocious hitter and didn't really change too much than any of US could really really see by the Tigers instruction so yet. I'll have a caffeine. It's unfortunately on that front but you know it. It doesn't hurt that. Parker medals goes and trains with awesome metals. WHO had frigging kick ass last year with raise this year? There's a little bit in the pedigree bucket. Where at least you know that he's going to be around people who are doing the right things no you? I don't know how to improve. Absolve know what to work on. So I'm going to be pretty interested to see Parker metals next season. He's a guy who I think. A lot of people were disappointed in this year but but again like guys with that kind of frame I almost always will give like a whole extra year of leeway to just because you know he's he's kind of tall gangly kid kid who needed to get his coordination and string together and if that happens never know maybe this wingo cover art as well as Jim starting pitching. Its make this. It's been this is want to jump into the bad stuff Does Matt Boyd Fit. This rebuild is the question that we're GONNA lead off with pro pro. Probably not no like if I'm on the show. Yeah like if I if I run on the show like Matt Boyd and Daniel Norris are probably getting extensions right right the season And I'M GONNA try to hang onto under those guys a little bit longer because I think the Tigers are probably going to sort of run out of time in terms of being able to convert them you you know useful assets sets that will actually play in twenty two twenty three win win kind of hoping that we're back in the mix again. I really liked Batboy I didn't I like we traded for Matt Boyd. Obviously he was he was far and away. The third piece behind Daniel Norris especially and Michael Fomer And boy does really transform himself. And ma'am boy. This is the kind of guy who's a really smart pitcher works really hard. He's a leader. He's a smart Guy I am. He's he's the guy who I would say like the James Shields of the tiger staff If you know how that reputation works. That boy is trained at Dr Line Baseball as ball out in Seattle Seattle Washington on the past couple of seasons and like each. He's he's made like a major change like in two thousand sixteen gene. He used to really be like almost high. three-quarters guy and in two thousand sixteen dropped his arm slot like to a low three quarters like a really pretty radical change. They happened over the course most of that season and he improved and then he came out last year and the slider looked a lot better and he was swinging that thing a little bit differently. I'm getting a lot more or or Zano break and getting a lot more wis on it and then this off season you get a whole lot of What more physical work built his fastball? Up Blow more picked up another mile or two tweaked his delivery just a little bit to get more backspin and a little bit more just straight riding action on the fastball and that worked for the the first three months of the season now we found that he really kinda turned into sort of a poor. Man's Patrick Corbin where there's a lot of strikeouts not many walks but wendy start teeing off on their hit him hard and he was given up a lot of home runs. So he's he's a guy who really had a home run problem and started. He's you know we've seen stretches. Were Matt Boyd. Has really good change up and that to me seems to be the key. Like if he's got one more step that he can take where he can refine that changing and commanded consistently all make season. I think you're looking at like a you know a solid number two starter like or a good number three something like that so I still think there's that last slow bit on for him to get out of himself and if he can do that in the first half maybe the Tigers will be able to get a little bit more of what they wanted when they tried to trade him at the trade deadline the season. He's been fun to watch. Though an and it really a lot of ways he sort of saved the team by at least like every fifth day like okay. This looks like a doc halfway professional major league baseball team that could win some games because you know two or three starts per turn. We really didn't even look like that this season. So yeah I mean that boy pretty good diet and I think there's there's a lot of intangibles there on top of what you'd actually see numbers that would make him a pretty valuable guy for a lot of teams seems to have. I actually think that the phillies would have done well to trade for him. I know they didn't want to trade like Alec Bone and the way it looks now trading Spencer Answer Howard for him by the seemed excessive but you know he's adorable guy. NAP Boyd hasn't hasn't had any injuries. He goes out there. He gives you one hundred seven hundred eighty hittings every year He struck struck out. I think like eleven point five per nine innings. If I'm not mistaken somewhere right around there this year differently up in the in the top tap not ten or so of a strikeout guys and doesn't walk to many people on the he's just one of those guys who is a fly ball pitcher who has a bit of Homerun problem problem and you're GonNa have to be able to to solve that to really unlock him and make him something better than an average starter Because obviously if you're in America Park and you're giving having oppo runs you're going to give up home runs and Philly thirty. So that's his mission. This off season is up to figure out a way to keep keep hitters a little bit more off-balance Work on that third pitch and I wouldn't put it past him because he he's definitely a guy who really understands the modern process of pitch development. And you know it's fairly likely to figure something out for next season that'll be interesting again. I'm actually terrified. Mentioned this guy's name because last year we did it. He got Tommy John like almost immediately. What's GonNa have Michael Fulmer? Michael Fulmer is probably not going to be back until till mid season the Tigers are are you know obviously not in a position to to rush at all like. There's no reason. Look yes. They're gonNa you know he's I don't expect to see him until after the All star break and I I really don't know what to expect in everybody's GonNa think about the Tommy John Surgery. I don't worry so much about that. Michael Fulmer is a beast like he has a hard working like intense cat Where his craft is concerned? I I assume that the rehab ago you know according to plan and then he will he will get his arm strength back and the elbow will be okay but the problem is that he's got knee problems too. You Know He. He's lost quite a bit of cartilage in his right knee and I don't think they did the microfracture procedure this last off season. But I don't know there was a whole weird thing this spring where he showed up up and all of a sudden. He's wearing a knee brace and they started letting them pitch. You know like normal pretty quickly and I don't know that they had anything to do with his elbow on the you know. He's had had bone chips removed from the elbow before has had some own owner nerve issues in there before that they had to do a little bit with so the elbow think probably holy was just coming out but it was a bad look for the Tigers that you know he comes back from a minor knee procedure you put them in an e brace he starts kind of going at his normal workload to get ready for the season and blows out of salvo. That's the thing that enrages me like what you had. No reason to dislike slow. Play Him and let him get used to the braces. He's you know which is kind of like light work as long as you wanted. And the if I didn't having to do with it but I just don't know what we're going to get when he comes back because a big part of you know Michael Former is that he just had one of the best fastballs in the game and had good command of it really really aggressive fast pitcher with great extension powered his way off the mound at you really hard and that right knee is is the thing that worries me more than the the Tommy John. Michael former always had some issues in terms of he just really never had like a particularly good breaking ball in two thousand sixteen when he run rookie of the year. It was really fast all change up more than anything had like an eighty nine ninety mile per hour you know cuttlefish Sorta slider. That was okay but it was mainly fast ball making it play up so yeah I don't know I. I still kind of feel like maybe what's going to happen is that Michael Former is going to end up in relief. You know going to be sort of a right handed like Sean doolittle type but what we're going to have to wait in and probably probably we won't really know until two thousand twenty one sort of what he's gotten a tank with Nian issue. That's a terminal. Had a really good year the the season and if there's one bright lake think rookie debut that the Tigers had it was terrible. He's a really interesting guy. He's one of the few that really throws like a high spin forcing her her and a really low spin you know like true sinker and he could mix those two. I'm you from ninety three to ninety eight miles per hour and his band is still will. Is still sketchy but you can see like a lot of good hitters. Had a really hard time dealing with his fastball. And he's also he backs it up with a pretty good slider arm curveball combination. He's a guy who's who's older than I think. People thought when he when he came up I keep reminding people that day is only twenty six after everything he's been through. It spreads debuted this year at twenty seven just about. He's the guy who the tires drafted in two thousand four and he had kind of consistent shoulder issues is but never anything major and it. It just feels like maybe twenty eighteen. He he cut a found something in his conditioning where it all sort of clicked and he stayed healthy the whole season. And you started to see you kind of the package coming together. While he's not he's not a guy who's probably ever going to have like you know plus command or turn into a really dominant starter. He's the guy who's who's got just nasty raw stuff like he he could be a really tough reliever He's a guy who who they the Tigers do have kind of going for them right now. Who Really Kinda came out of the blue because even though he had a good season in the on the farm last year he was twenty six by then He? He was a guy that I think a lot of people had already started to Kinda right off off was falling down into the teens in a lot of the the system rankings and so to have him come up and you know showcase a little. Oh better command than than he he had in in the minors and that power stuff. He's the guy who you know probably is one of the best assets or what are the best last thing to happen to the Tigers organization this season so they got him And he's still going to be around for six years so that that part of it is good. You know the the real tricky part and I I just wrote like a player review about dangerous. Last night he's going to be a free agent in twenty twenty two so we've only got him for two more seasons former employed. We only have three more so it is really hard muscle. Tigers decide to offer some extensions and the Tigers aren't a team. That really ever seems to do that with anybody. Other than the you know. The Justin Burley Anders of the world. which I think is foolish? Unfortunately but is this kind of the way it goes. But they're the trick the next year or so is to figure out how to determine those guys into the best assets that they can get back obviously former is gonNA take some time now but you've got foam for three more seasons so maybe that can work out Boyd I would expect to be treated very fairly soon. Norris has just had like this this weird groin injury But he suffered in two thousand seventeen pitched with it for most of the season and struggled Head surgery came back. The next year was still kind of dealing with a lot of soreness and scar tissue and his blasphemy. which used to be on ninety? Three ninety four was down to about ninety and he averaged ninety pretty much all of two thousand eighteen they kind of had to pitch them out of the bullpen. He ended up having a secondary procedure. I mean the dude is just been unbelievably snake bit he he you know he had thyroid cancer. Like right. After the Tigers Traded Forum What else happened? He fell doing box jumps and like fractured one of the the little processes that come off the back of your Vertebra in twenty sixteen. I believe that was so. It's just been kind of like this. This litany injuries with him But he still has a really damn good slider good change up pretty good bulldog mentality in there. And he's a guy who I'm looking forward to next next season. Because because the Tigers shut him down and just had him pitch like two or three innings at a tie in his starts in September just sort of keep them in the mix without overworking him and and we started seeing the the velocity finally starting to come back and take out and to lose that much velocity without an arm injury Dale's never had any kind of trouble is is just a really kind of weird thing and we saw that with Justin Burland or when he had his groin inquirer issues on prior to the twenty fourteen season. So I've been I've been holding malign here ed part of it I mean I kind of love Daniel Norris like dude who in the offseason is out with all these nature photographers and surfers. Who Film things for or National Geographic? All these people follow on instagram like Daniel. Norris knows these people that's three hangs out with in the off season driving his VW. Bus across the country. I I think I kind of want his life his lifestyle. He's kind of my spirit. Animals I root for them even more than I normally would but it was great to see him kind of come back and just you know just just just be healthy. Stay off the I l. and put up league average numbers and he's another guy who I could see coming out next season. You know having a little bit more on the fastball. After an off season where he finally doesn't have to Rehab anything and can just work on his strength and flexibility. I can see him get a little blasted he back and he's really had to struggle to learn how how to pitch with ninety MPH fastball over the past two seasons and kind of had figured out you know how to make it work with command mixing fixing stuff up and all that so he could get that little bit of lasted you back out still holding out some hope that The the best is yet to come for Daniel as well and like I said he's only twenty six. There could be a long way to go. He was brought up really early by the Blue Jays traded to us and we basically worked right from the beginning so yeah yeah as far as the rotation goes at least there are few guys who are who are worthy of look next season. I wasn't expecting Dana. Norris's my spirit animal to be a large number man. You gotta you gotTa start following Daniel North of instagram. It'll be your spirit animal. Don't worry more like the bland pitchers is that are like McKinsey Gore over here taking McKinsey Gore. Let's talk about the second best pitching prospect of baseball. Yeah I'm okay with that I ll Mackenzie Gore is a beast man. I'm on board with the McKenzie. GORTEX man he's more like it's like everybody's a prospect crush right Calistoga a a podcast of for EVT's stuff. It was literally dislike twenty minutes of meeting callous. Just gushing over Gore knife. Hi Jim Ellison. Now that's a as he was he was awesome man. But you know let's talk about casing. Is We talked about Casey last year to where her feels you. I think you told me last year that you thought that Manning was gonNA wind up passing him up. Do you think that happened this year in is that at fault of is is or is that more manning's just push forward. I don't think he passed him necessarily but I do think if it became pretty clear player to a lot of people that it that it's much more like a one eight one be type situation. They've he's last year to actually. Yeah I think that all kind of came to fruition like I I mean Casey buys looked really good I A lot of my concerns with Casey. Mice have always been more that he so close to two major league. Ready as as he is that. I'm just not sure that the Tigers the team that can really like leverage him the best like he's almost a guy you would think the Tigers would would pitch for two seasons and then probably probably end up trading away for a piece to really start the rebuild going I mean I've had some issues with case is just because I don't. I don't trust the durability ability and that's that's perfectly normal almost all pitching prospects but there are some guys who I do and and I I. I have a lot more faith that manning is going to is going to be the if one of them is going to be the guy who throws two hundred innings every year and just eats everybody up consistently and becomes like a legit ace type. It's it's going to be Matt Manning I you know. Casey is his type of guy who I I could see like one hundred fifty one hundred sixty in guy who has a I understand once or twice almost every year for a little. Bit of shoulder soreness But maybe doesn't have anything serious for a while But yeah I mean of the two. Yeah I'm still I'm still pretty. Definitively I met Manning side I liked Casey Mayes. I didn't want to necessarily take him like I was okay with with it but with tigers having as much pitching as they do I was more partial to like a joey bar or Nick Madrigal. Type play at that point I'm trying to save a little bit of money. And maybe for someone harder in the second round they took him. You're the stuff look good. He debuted at Aa with a no hitter. which was it was pretty good? Yeah he's he's a weird guide watch at at the AA level because he's not necessarily generating that many whiffs and he. He seemed seemed kind of struggle with the splitter a little bit this year which is really when he has the splitter going You you can kind of see like the the best of Casey is and why he was the number one overall pick because at that point like for AA hitters. It's it's just hilarious. You know what I mean. There's there's some really bad swings like swings the pitching Ninja. Wouldn't even you know. Feel you you know. Like he could put out on a public website if other that grotesque so He's you know he was good this year. It's once again. You know he had the same. The problem is junior year where he got past one hundred innings and all of a sudden and the command wasn't quite so good and then it was a little bit of shoulder trouble and and he took a couple of weeks off and he came back and he was still just kinda sloppy so yeah you know he could probably pitch in the major leagues right now. He just doesn't give me the impression of a guy who's is gonNA with his with his delivery with his his injury history. He doesn't give me the impression of a guy who's going to be like a big time innings eater who develops develops a whole lot further. I K- I kind of look at him as like a you know maybe in like a year like almost a number two starter type. Who is probably ready to go and probably should replaying for a good team? Because he says he's hard to project as a guy who's GonNa be your pitch and when he's like thirty four thirty five and still throwing ninety three ninety five even eating a ton of innings. I just don't see that you know that it really cards and it's not really on the cards for most guys So I can understand. That doesn't sound like that much of a criticism. It's just that for a team. That is so far from winning. He was almost like a win. Now type pick. He's like the guy the Tigers would have dreamed of getting in Twenty Eleven twenty twelve and slammed right into the bullpen and then moving them into the rotation like a year later But he he kind of fits that assorted mold better. So we'll see how it goes. One thing that happened last off season is that there were a couple of interviews with him where he talked about Training at his agents camp and he's another guy who really seems like really fluent in analytics and pitch design and it was really really down to like you know work on his slider last offseason season and really kind of redesigned. It changed some of his training all that kind of stuff. So there's a lot of intangible qualities Casey is that I think are really good as well and we'll just kind of see how it all plays out but but yeah in the long run I'm still manning's a little bit more of the the volatile side of the of the equation as far as like how he's going to eventually finish up as the approaches the majors but I feel like yeah of the two I bet more on. Manning long-term where to Scuba football fit into this mix we just talked about basically Manningham is but where do you find that screwball winds up kind of fitting in this equation probably really not this year in maybe at the end of next year. But you know how do you. How does he profile out yet? He's I mean look he. He was incredible the revelation. Yeah I mean I mean he was putting up like he was striking like forty five percent of of the hitters or more he that he faced a at Erie it was. It was pretty pretty overpowering stuff. I mean he's got an incredibly good fastball. I mean there's a lot of deception option in his delivery he's Kinda thrown from a high arm slot. He's kind of got like that kind of like a Josh. Hader sort of fastball. Basically the breaking ball. I think lags a little bit behind and we'll just have this. I need to see him a little bit more. Because he wasn't a double wave that long and a lot of what I saw. was that the breaking ball and the change up played so well because the fastball was just wait for those guys But you know I think the issue with him as you know he is a giant guy already on. I think he had Tommy John Surgery Sophomore year. which is why the Tigers were able to get them where they were they did? I didn't know I think it was the ninth round last year and I think we all kind of like we all like that pick and I kinda thought like yeah this could be a really dominant reliever maybe even like got to to winnings you know type guy like the guy who bridges you to your closer Something like that but usually durable this year and you know the the stuff tough was pretty undeniably. Good so yeah. We'll just have to kind of see really all I really. All I'm Kinda represented about is is how durable he's going to be It's a fairly high effort delivery. You know we'll we'll just kinda have to play it by ear but right now. Yeah he's like I mean. He jumped so much this year that he's really kind right behind Ms Manning and looked really pretty close to major league ready. His command is better than Manning's it's better than mize's but He was just pounding people with that fast ball dropping sliders and curve balls on the edges for the final three months of the season. He's one of those guys because I read a lot about the minor leagues. But but I don't get to that many games other than it Toledo so when guys are in the Florida State League doesn't much TV coverage you can't watch that much of it on Minor League TV and he was in the void there for a while. So I kinda just I just WanNa see him more but I mean he really did vault his way all the way up to where you know. It's really only mayes manning and Riley Green. I think at this point that I would that I would put them. I'm it was damn impressive. Him really much needed for the Tigers. They have someone breakout like that and look that good. It's just a question of whether he's kind of more of a bullpen weapon type guy or whether he's going to be able to go out there and you know drew one hundred seventy five innings and be dead good. It was damn good though when I saw him for sure. You're going to be thrilled to get a top one hundred. I already in the ninth. Round of lasser draft. Yeah thanks Scott. Boris Boris apparently one of the weird things about that was that we kinda on the site. We're always having this debate about the front office and there's a lot of people who just don't want a process that maybe the front office is terrible because you know then when you and you know they kind of kept throwing him back they found Tarik Scuba. Look how good this is going this year. Sure and then in that article came out where it was all you know. Scott Boras called the Tigers in mid draft like when they were in the sixth or seventh round and was like. Hey what about my my boy. Tarek Eric School here like nobody's taking them yet. This guy's amazing you guys should look into it and I guess they checked him out. We're like yeah all right. They took them and so yeah we were throwing that all back in their faces like. Oh Oh yeah yeah. Great Front Office as long as Scott. Boris is doing your scouting for you but he was right. I'll give him that job. Scott Boras thank you. We needed that. He's got worse. Nobody's there was a level for now. Yeah man to go I guess the finish kind of the cycle here Matt Manning just having you know just a fantastic year like it was it just seems to come so easy to him like but you know the the fastball and even the development of his command His he cleaned up his delivery. Libary in two thousand eighteen quite a bit and he was a really raw prospect. I mean I don't know if you guys are paying much attention to him when he got drafted but he'd only pitched hitch like two years in high school he was a basketball player had a scholarship to to Loyola As a guard or something as massive. Yep He is he's he's six six and that's the thing like everyone wants these really tall pitchers but then there's also the truth about like all these tall slender pitchers like they never find command. which is kinda nonsense like everybody wants? Six five six pitchers like you know Justin Burland Garrett Cole like I can go on and on with the examples examples of of how that's sort of the prototype of the modern power pitcher but yeah Matt Manning. He looked raw they. They did a lot with delivery the first year and there were just a lot out of like he. He didn't. He looked like a pitcher by the end of two thousand seventeen like its first full season but there was still some elements. We didn't really look like a baseball player Just in terms of kids ability to like hold Brunner's his fielding sort of his general awareness his ability to kind of move between the stretch and the wind up All that stuff really came together other in just just a huge way twenty eighteen and he didn't really take a big step forward this year. I'm he just sorta like entrench those games that he'd made The first half of the season had the had the change up and the curb bubbles going really well and he and he just looked unbelievable he kind of faded a little bit. I thought in the second can half the secondary pitches a little bit There was he pitched an inning in the MLB futures game that was sort of a microcosm of how it goes for. And we're like he didn't have the the secondary pitches and couldn't quite land them and against the you know some of the better hitters in the minor leagues. It wasn't like anybody was really off on them necessarily but there was just he just could not blow people away with fastball. At that you know when when it was that level and when he didn't have the secondary stuff you know it was a bit of a struggle for him. So you know there's still work to do but you know he's twenty one. He's he's a young twenty one as far as a pitcher goes and yeah I discontinued to be really excited for him because is the the athleticism is just so strong guy that size like his his agility off the mound is is really fantastic. You see him like pick things up when when they're working working on something generally pretty quickly. I kind of feel like he's got to add is basically you know fastball changeup which is sort of like a split change inch and a really pretty good hammer curb all right now but I still kind of feel like there's gotta be a cutter or a or a slider in the offing into really Kinda round that whole thing out or his command just just not as up a whole other level and it and it won't matter he definitely he could pitch in the major leagues right now to as reliever could probably be all right. The command was has just been really steadily increasing As far as like locating the fastball asphalt around the zone being able to change speeds and move up and down in the zone with it He's he's really fun to watch pitch and he's he's that's my guy right there. I'm the official Bandwagon Conductor of the Landing Bandwagon. And I would have them above Casey Mayes. Yeah I'm on my prospect list. We argue about this fairly regularly at bless you boys but yeah I'm not. I'm not giving it on that. He's our number one as far as I'm concerned. How do you feel about Joey wins? I've read a lot of stuff High praise for him. Yeah you know I like I actually thought that was a really good. Get that treatment down a lot of a lot of national prospect writers. Seem to be like Eh Joey. Wentz like You no he was a guy like a year ago but has sort of faded. But I don't know I I like to take like Joey whence the Tigers have a couple of guys and Tarek school fits in this to Do these kind of high arm slot lefties who throw that really like straight four seamer with a lot of like it's not necessarily like spin rate necessarily zero like I think Tareq scruples spinner. It was pretty good. I'm not really sure what joy went was. But it's all it's all backspin. It's all writing action. And he's got some good good deception From when we saw the command was really good. The change was really good His breaking ball is still pretty pretty mediocre. Like you'd probably put a forty five on it most of the time But even that was really effective because he he again was like someone who looks like he had a lot of pitch ability was changing speeds. Move into both sides of the plate hitting his spots. A Lot Yeah I was pretty pretty pleased with them and another. He's another one. Who is you know? He's six five to fifty and I think he's only twenty one years old old so get a few injuries last season. And I think maybe that's kind of stunted the lasting development is more like ninety two ninety. Three we still think there's a chance he's going to. He's going to pick up to be ninety five ninety six type guy. I don't know if the breaking ball will ever really come come along to be a plus pitch but he looks like the guy who should be able to be like a four or five starter for me. So you know for Shane Green. That was that was pretty good. Chang's good relief but not a dominant one is everybody just just go to Erie and just dominate. Because I feel like that's what happened. Yeah I mean they really did this year I you know I wish I could remember who wrote it but there was an article about like is the pitching. I'm good at in the eastern league this year or two hitter suck I don't they just. Yeah Yeah but I think it was. I think it it was the pinch. rotation was pretty stupid When they were going good? Yeah watching like Ms Manning veto school with a little bit of like Anthony Castro or you know whoever else mixed in there yet it was. It was pretty nasty You know that you're seeing wolves really only had Isaac parades as far as like kidder's go and they were pretty close to making the postseason and it was all just because at that. Starting pitching was just bananas. Good so but that's that's kind of where we got it going for us and it's just all about like you know these guys are GonNa. I show up proudly in the next year. You know we should see a lot of these guys next season. And hopefully setting settling in in twenty twenty one. And it's like yeah right about. Then we have some bats going really like is appraisal be thereby then but riley green unless he has a huge breakout is probably still going to be at the AA double a level If that so the timing of all this is another thing that just isn't it. It's hard to do but it's not coming together very well and that's all because the tiger really really failed with a lot of the trades Everybody gets a draft every year. It's nice to pick high but you know even in football having the number one pick doesn't guarantee not you anything and in baseball. It's like a completely other thing so yeah so I mean just you know. We haven't gotten any extra picks the Arizona diamondbacks Bax. who was? Yeah Yeah we would love to see Al Avila. Do some do some things to get to get a whole bunch of picks and get a bunch of these guys all coming coming kind of on a similar timeframe but they haven't really shown what's propensity for creativity or or trading in general So you know the went straight was okay the trade that they got Isaac Parade as you know in Jamar. Candelaria was good but other than that. I mean it's it's been pretty garbage. So yeah you know the timing on all this is the trick and that's where you get into okay we're going to trade buoyed and then maybe we're going to trade fomer or for the for the bats that we need but then you're entirely depending on your farm to produce all these guys and I don't care if you have you know eight top one hundred. Pitching prospects like the odds are still very good. That you're only going to get for those guys to be solid solid major leaguers and even then it might take them a couple of years to to settle in. So yes. That's why this is so hard right now. Is that if you know if instead of Mayes manning scuba all those guys were hitters like we'd all feel different like Oh maybe we can find cheap pitcher and fix them up or bring all these guys to to fly ball pitchers to America. Who are you know getting shelled and other places and find a couple of them who can keep the ball in the park enough? You put a fast speedy defense. Thank Centerfield like you start like in your head you can start team building away to make some of this work but But yeah bringing up all the pitchers at once when you don't really have the bats yet you know I. It's it's still a very long way away unless there's some some big things happening over the next year. You just waste service at that point. Yeah I mean and and to some degree. That's okay because pitchers you know I. It's just the way it goes like when you bring a pitch up to the major leagues you know. We've seen it with Julio Erase or women Senate with Walker bueller panic like there's usually some injuries. There's usually some some figuring out some rough stretches. It's less less likely. I think that you're gonNA get a wine. Soto tight pitching prospect does even the best guys usually struggle a little bit for a while Walker Bueller being the exception it just looks like a complete stutter. Already so is there. I mean you pretty much. Can you know I mean it's like Joe Jimenez Buck Look Farmer. Those guys are okay. If one of them could take a step forward that that's a good relief chipped to trade next season but other than that. Yeah you know we picked picked up a guy. David Mackay On waivers from Seattle. He's got like a three thousand RPM curve ball throws ninety four ninety five and. Yeah I mean it's it's good good stuff but the thing that I'm noticing is that it that stuff kind of used to you know pop. My is out of my head but the man everybody throws ninety five while support for reliever so you know he's another guy who like if he could put it together and find the command. The stuff is really really pretty eye popping the good but But yeah there's there's also just a lot of you know that guy's never gonNa make it was under smooth news throw one oh three one three and then paint it back or slider finals Anybody those ninety good luck now. Yeah Yup but their seat all but then there's still some out there but man you gotTa have some yet has some serious game pain. Yeah and you gotTa have some deception you gotta be able to change the etc so it I mean it is nice that some guys can still make that work and that's why we started out I if it was before we got on air talking about that. And that's why you know that cranky and Anibal Sanchez and guys like that Kyle Hendricks get so much no acclaim. Because it's it's is this really hard to pitch that way and it takes a guy with you know pretty stupid precision to make that sort of thing works. Oh Yeah you better you better be able to bring it you know ninety five or or close or it's tough I mean. We've pretty much covered everything. I kind of want to go over the draft a little bit before we close things. Down sure How did you feel overall about this draft and you know we? We talked about it before. Obviously nine guys that were in College College. Only one of nine guys in the first round that we're we're in college. Only one high schooler but that one high school or is relegated you know. How did you feel about taking Riley Green at number five? And what was the kind of the reaction to this. I think. In general people really liked Riley Greener. And we're pretty pretty stoked about him and I don't know if you guys read back in the spring it was sort of like the one knock on rally green is that was that you know. Maybe the defense wasn't that good. He didn't really have the speed. You know to to play Centerfield. He was probably a guy is gonNA have to move to the corner all that kind of thing but everybody you know everybody likes the bet. Everybody expects them to hit And right from the start like you know. He went to the Gulf Coast League. Can I think homered in his first two games and they were like tape measure just missiles And he basically did the same thing at Connecticut in the New York Penn League you a you know like short season a ball so the you know the bat you know impressed but the other thing to happen is that he went to West Michigan and just started making highlight reel plays in Centerfield Centerfield all over the place and I don't know it was pretty clear to a lot of us that some of the early kind of write ups I'm on Riley Green no pre-draft like back last January February just hadn't taken into account that he'd really kind of already heard all those rumors and really put in a lot of work and he was faster than Than people anticipated in in a lot better defender so overall that was pretty great. You know I kind of wanted. Jj Blah Day Mainly because of those concerns about Riley Green like maybe maybe he's just kind of going to be a slow corner outfielder when he fills out but Put those concerns on the back burner and so overall Yelm. I'm really happy little love for rally Russia but that wasn't gonNa Happen Riley Green We're we're pretty stoked about I think As far as picks go that was the good one The the overall yes. I mean there were some picks you know that I liked but overall it was a little disconcerting that it was such a a seemingly safe draft have to to not really take any prep players in the top ten rounds and and kind of take a swing on any of those guys you know there are some guys I liked like we talked about Bryant Packard like maybe a shot at being a power hitting first baseman Cooper Johnson you know a decent catching prospect like looks like he has work to do behind the plate Even got drafted but has some two ball skills like a little bit and power like okay. That's all right. You know that back back-back pick was okay I liked lips. Okay I liked Catanha. Okay but overall yeah the philosophy Yeah that was kind of problematic automatic gun not just for me but I know a lot of people were sort of like you know why it would be in safe right now like. Why aren't we swing for the fences with it as many takes as possible? Because you you know we're a long way away. You're very unlikely to draft a star in the fifth or sixth round out of college. So yeah I mean that's kind of a problem. Hopefully they they they found if you guys who were values but But I don't really have a whole lot of happened. Set anybody outside a rally green is really ever going to be an impact player The two thousand eighteen draft was was pretty good but this one felt like sort of the beginning the middle ground between twenty eighteen and twenty seventeen which was just like a mess of a draft. Graf took fatal. I they overpaid a guy. In the second round out of Juku the first baseman Ray Rivera who has just looked awful has never done anything so their whole draft was kind of a mass. So this I mean this kind of felt like going back to safe mode a little bit and yeah I mean. There's there isn't really any reason for them to be in safe mode. So you know that the draft expert on the site. I pay a lot of attention. There's a couple of guys who no I would say more than I do. So maybe some of these guys will have a little bit more of a shot. Then I'm giving him Zach. Who took in the the seventh round like yeah really really? Nice looking fastball. Ashfall late like a like a really big time writing fastball and a decent breaking ball he was. LSU's closer. I think he was there. Is there a weekend pitcher. Oh was it. Yeah he was starting there okay and then we can burn in Austin. That's the only reason a prophecy. But let's see him I saw him pitch A couple of games and he looked promising As a relief candidate leads to sell these guys there but yeah outside of green. I didn't really see anybody who had like distant twinkle of like. Hey maybe this guy could you know could put it all together and have the high ceiling that we're not anticipating didn't really see too to many guys who who seem to fit that mold. Maybe maybe Lipsius if everything just go cubs together out of nowhere but that's a lot of just wild hope and speculation on On my part because I I tend to favor like hardworking. You know smart players as long as they're not like unskilled I tend to like WanNa give those guys a little bit of time to see if you know they can. They can develop themselves a little bit and a lot of that is still just like lack of confidence in the Tigers Ability. Develop people all right so Close it out. Give us some bold predictions for the twenty twenty season for the Tigers. Oh God okay the same seat that are we in the same seat seat next year that we are this year to where the Tigers have another number one overall big. I think there is a pretty good chance at that happens. Elman yeah I'm afraid so like I. I would be surprised if we if we were picking lower than third in twenty twenty one and nets you know all kinds of things can happen but the Tigers do have some guys who could break out there. There are some things that can happen. Maybe they'll be more aggressive. This offseason than I think. I think they cut the roster to thirty three heading into the offseason. Then really there's only like one or two guys. They're probably going to protect. So maybe they're going to be more aggressive so then in free agency than that. I think they've sort of habit the past couple of years of like jumping the gun and signing a position of need like early like like they did that with George Mercer last year and as it turned out there were better players available like in mid February and Tigers have under eligible have consistently been behind the curve on a lot of these. These things You know we could've taken Freddie Galveston and signed him for less than they signed. George Mercer for you know and they signed Jordy Mercer. I think like right after the winter meetings So I would like to just be patient and wait and see what values can come out. I do think they need to find themselves. A catcher who can kind of mentor enter Rogers and Greiner and play half the time So I'm I'm looking for him to do that But it's hard to see too much of an impact coming anywhere that would really propel them out of out of the Gutter in L. Central. I mean Kansas City royals look honestly to me like just got off a wasteland as well on despite having a couple talented players so yeah yeah you do have to keep in mind just how bad you know. Some other teams aren't it can be easy to sort of fall on your own Rut and just be like our terrible like all these other teams have all these good prospects blah blah But yeah I'd be surprised if If we were sitting outside of the of the top three next year as far as predictions go. I will say that you will see Casey Mayes and Manning both pitch in the major leagues next season. You will see Isaac Praise in the major leagues next season I think you will see Ron Gardenhire fired. At the end of next season I think That'll be kind of the end Dangerous Post A. Plus Three war season and has laxity back to like ninety three ninety four thrown a nasty slider and suddenly looks like the guy that we got from the Blue Jays again. I'll throw the downing. I'll just throw the ball to the bold prediction about your and say that after the twenty twenty season the Detroit Tigers will be sold to a new owner. I feel it. I just don't see like they're so flat lined. There's so little urgency in this in this organization the past two years there's even as a rebuilding team. You know people keep trying to make these astros. Comparisons like the Astros and the cubs had plans like from the beginning like they were like the plan. And there's a whole lot. Yeah go read the book. I've told people about. Somebody's like the cubs man. They winding Anthony Brazil right away. They knew they were going to build around him. They went and traded for. They didn't care it took you know. Yeah so it's not like you know. Those teams started out with with you know deep farm systems but they were also in a time when you could trade for more and while the Tigers are have been pretty bad about trading players for prospects. It's it's also just gotten a lot harder you know. We keep going back to that. Justin Justin verlander deal and how they make out of that without really anything other than like a backup catcher But that also goes to the dodgers and the and the Yankees who do you know cost himself a world series because they didn't want to give up one good player Maybe that one good player was gleyber Torres or Walker Bueller. So you can. You can take your you know your you pick whether or not that would have been worth it or not but You know it takes two to tango and in that particular case. I don't know that anybody really valued Justin burland properly As far as jd Martinez Ivica tires just absolutely just booted that by by jumping the gun and trading too soon and then we watched him go to Arizona and hit like thirty. Thirty home runs in two months so I got nothing back so yeah I mean there's just a lot of reasons where I don't think this front office has done well really Elliot anything and I don't see any pressure from the the ownership to do any more than that. Maybe this off season will tell us. Tell us more but all whole I'm basically looking at the next year like this next cycle like this offseason the next draft next trade deadline and if they haven't found like a couple of of impact bats at the major the League level in the minor leagues like some combination I really could see us just being in in sort of a vortex suck for a long time to come. Where we're a team that pitches pretty well and play scrappy like twins? Bullshit baseball on the field and wins eighty one games every the year like that that might be the high It's really hard to see US getting beyond that. The way things are now so yeah. There's there's a big prediction i. It just feels like the villages are on their way out.

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Martin & Marlow  Episode 32

Scoops with Danny Mac

24:46 min | 2 months ago

Martin & Marlow Episode 32

"And welcome aboard. It's morton marlow. Charley marlowe martin kilcoyne episode thirty two. You know where. I'm going with this trial. You know right out of the gate. We love the number game. This might be our best number thirty two not just that we made it this far but jerseys. I know this is not your thing. You probably google it on your phone right now. Your blink on thirty two. Jews mon just know. Obviously magic johnson writes yes of gain an nba and these are top of mind but lot of nba magic johnson in the future laker. And i. I'm trying to think what what did shack where in l. a. because shack was always thirty two. Okay wasn't jack thirty. Three with the magic third or with the lakers. I think he's thirty two now. You at some point you on your phone. I'll look it up Magic johnson always you look it up. Karl malone magic johnson shaquille o'neal i think shaquille probably had different numbers at different times. I think it was primarily thirty two and then we got the lakers. Maybe went thirty four because a magic number sure is retired. We we talk about that. One time the lakers have a massive amount of retire dirties. Football is where it's really probably think running back an oj. Simpson probably your first one. Jim brown about franco harris These players you're too young young guy. I remember all of them. But i m jersey numbers. I just don't pay attention besides thirty. Three's that was my favorite numbers so next episode. I got a lot for you. Will larry biggby. You're gonna you're going to own it next week but oj simpson. And then later for the big red here. In saint louis otis anderson kinda weird the way at another oj. That was a great writing back and he also wore the thirty. Two franco harris Marcus allen saint louis his own mark zalin all wearing the thirty two on the baseball front. Steve carlton is the only one i could think of. I'm sure there's some others but steve. Anyway it's it's episode thirty two. That's the that's the main point jock. Okay we made it. We got here. We got the thirty two I wanted to start with. And sometimes it's sporty. Sometimes it's not. But i think the hall of fame debate. We're gonna get into it probably next week with pro football but for baseball in your theory. I like this. It's either. yes no or debate. In a lot of these that are being talked about. I would say just go with. Your immediate gut is it. Yes or is it. A no and omar vizquel was getting discuss like no good player. All of famer. No and then you get to a scott rolen dopp. Because he's a former cardinal. I'm sure cardinal fans are one hundred percent supported him being a cooperstown. But i do think he's a debate. He's not a yes he's not a no he's a debate in the analytics are helping. I think that's a good measure in. I don't know writers. Think of it. That way bob nightingale not guy we know well like voted for letroy hawkins and like what. Yes no debate no. I'm sorry too hard. No you said if you look closer at the numbers but isn't isn't that a great example No clear. I don't care what the numbers say. God bless letroy. Hawkins grew up with our buddy. Artists are twice into the rams since gas but letroy. No i think this is a good measure. That maybe they should all use. Yes no or defeat right. And when i when. I saw the tweet from bob nightingale. I had to go to one of my favorite websites baseball records where i can just get lost there for hours. Anyway i'm like. How did he get to this. So the only thing i could even find is look. His career era is over four but he was a really bad starter so he had all these bad years starter which inflated his era. I believe his reliever. Era was three point three two which is pretty dang good but still not close to being a hall of famer. That's a no. However i do have to disagree with you because you brought up orbis skill i would say yes i would not say no i would say. That's a debate. And i do think even though you said you weren't doing this. It does. Come down with the debatable. Guys to the guys that played for your team. Because i promise you that the fan base of omar vizquel would speak to him in the same light as scott rolen. Even if they're not similar players it goes back to lou whitaker. I always think it's that allen trams in and not lou whitaker. I think they're basically the same player. You could even make a case that lose a little better. Even though he played second base now trampled played shortstop. But when i say omar vizquel. I say debate when i say scott rolen i say debate when i say lou whitaker. I say debate. I just think nowadays. It seems like everybody wants to get everybody. In every every debatable got at the end of the day. I can't say that really bothers me that much because it's the hall of fame who cares and if one of these old guys before he gets the hall of fame. Why should i take that away from. The answer is always who cares. It's not a big deal but it is on cousin. John hates said every year you guys will talk about this for like a week straight and debated and debated at a big argument and it just goes away. Nobody really cares. But i think but i think these are a lot of these are players that we remember careers especially right now. These are guys that we watch play while we were covering the sport or watching it closely. So you have a better read on what their careers were but curt schilling to me is a debate and you look at his wins which wins. Don't matter right. isn't that the new thing. he's got a low win. Total never won a cy young. But then you look. He was second three times he started looking into. I didn't realize he has the best strikeout-to-walk ratio of any pitcher in the modern era. Of course he's got the postseason resume he's he is a debatable hall of famer but obviously he says he doesn't want to be on the ballot next year i think they'll leave him on and he probably won't get in. I think he probably knows these plateaued. But what's happened with the hall of fame the baseball debate. It does seem very personal now writers. Not if they don't like a guy but if they don't like who they are. And i read a story the other day those the votes for every player and it would say like well all todd helton had a dui twenty seventeen and the scale is facing domestic charges a every review. Now there's no mention of home runs. Rbi's all stars. It's all about character. Clause which i just think they've opened a can of worms cooperstown now like who's getting in. Who's not getting chilling with his politics. There's no doubt that it's playing a role i mean. Do you think there's any doubt that some people are just not voting for him because they don't like him. Or what are your spouse right. It's absolutely playing a role. But i would say this about curt schilling specifically okay. Curt schilling to me is a debate. Now i think will get in. And i think he's worthy of getting in but i think the character clause comes into play with guys who are not sure fire hall of famers and i was. He doesn't matter if you're not gonna make the hall of fame anyway. But it's the debatable guys where you start to kind of read into this and i said is on. The radio is with curt schilling. There's this narrative that he's not getting in because he's a republican which is crazy and asinine to me. Here's what baseball for. Years is full of good old boys guys from the south guys from texas. I guarantee you the majority of baseball players are republicans is not about being republican. It's about some of his really inflammatory comments. Where was it a few years back that he did a re tweeter shirt or something about rope. Tree meets journalists. Okay well if you're going to put that out during you know the writers are are voting for you. That's pretty stupid. And then more recently him him supporting what happened at the capitol to me that goes beyond just being a democrat or republican right. If you're saying yeah. This is what happens in america. Don't you think storming the capital is taking it too far when you're supporting. I don't think anybody cares if you vote democrat or republican but if you're saying some pretty extreme things and supporting some very extreme events where people died and our capital was storm. I think that's a different story than hey. I'm a republican. Nobody really cares about that. Yeah and i think if you're a republican you'd be like wait a minute that's don't don't love me in with some of those rights and i think there's no doubt a distinction needs to be made on those. It would be fascinating if when he gets in what his what his speech would be like. Because you know he's got a lot to say. I heard there gould On your station. Five hundred fan. He told bernie miklos. If i heard it correctly that he did vote for jilin and he said even though obviously offensive to see him re tweeting like lynching of journalist. But somehow derek is credit examined the case without any personal bias. I'm sure if he's not lie detector probably doesn't like her chilling at all but he did vote for him because he thought he was worthy. And i think that's it just did a place right now. Where putting that in there. It's so leaves everything wide of well. I don't know this guy did this or that and it's it's a big messy spot there in l. a. Rod comes along next year. Everybody likes him now. He's part of the steroid era. You know do they look the other way. Because he's sort of remade his image. I do think he gets in on the first ballot. Because he's a great player but he he was a cheater. He told peter gammons. It was a loosey goosey era. Everybody did it's like. I don't i don't get it on the first ballot but i bet he gets in and then bonds of clements are probably gonna what about us. I have a great idea that just thought of now. now. I haven't looked at the into a gut. Stumbles into the opinion. Almost mutilated one of my radio characters. You're my friend here's what we do. Here's what we do next. Year is the pockmark asterisk. The the hall of fame for the narrative wells. How about next year put in all. These guys were talking about their questionable. So twenty twenty two can be the year where it's just a bunch of guys who either did pd's curt schilling with his comments. So you let in bonds you let an clemens you lead in schilling you let arab. Can you only get five guys in. Is that right football. Has i think a minimum are the. I think baseball might have amac. I'm not positive about that. That's interesting class you but you're maybe just doing all the hall ashim this summer down will take all of your unwashed all you cheaters. You're all in at the same time. You're all great players but we have a lot of course the question mark class there you go and you can add david ortiz and other something. They're easily to erez. There are like it. I'm martin tomorrow presented by a number of great folks including charles including kenilworth pat resorts about the fact that i'm just waiting. I'm waiting for oldest. Go crazy up there because our guys are coming to do our bathroom here but otis. We have his collar on his shock collar which we got from canada pet resorts and does a great job of of training him so kind of a pet resorts for boarding grooming day camp training. Of course saint louis longer call now getting ready for the spring. Take care of your dad and also saint louis equipment and then the place we were at last week martin corner butcher infant twenty ninety nine bentley plaza drive. I usually go there about once a week. You just go there. I could name all the great things i get there. 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And you know people like he's the best he's the man but is he. Is he coming up short in the big games or have failed him. And if you think about the first draft pick jordan love and lance allen guests on the show last week said if you wanna know what motivates a guy like rogers. He'll always find something. But it's property jordan. Love being drafted in the first round. You got a team. That could win a super bowl. That at least is close enough with a quarterback who's getting towards the end of his hall of fame career in the more. I was thinking about it you plan. Nfc title game. What did jordan love. I pick contribute to that game. Nothing could have been. I mean the more. You unpack it. It's like how how did that make any sense when this guy he's under contract till twenty twenty three so why draft that other kit like i don't know if i'm aaron rodgers. I'm frustrated. How much blame does he get the one in four. That's a pretty bad record entitled games. Yeah i think it's absolutely fair to blame aaron rodgers. And the fact that he should he should have gone. Two more super bowls. If you're looking specifically at this year you mentioned jordan love. First-round pick their second round pick dylan. The running back barely plays all. And so you have aaron jones one of the best running backs league and jamaal williams a pretty darn good up so i just. I don't understand it from the packers perspective because you have arguably the most talented quarterback of all time in aaron rodgers and you draft another quarterback you draft a running back in the second round. That's that's not as bad i. At least i understand that. It's kind of a good value for running back but you have a window to win. Super bowl aaron rodgers. You're telling me a first or second round pick. How about how about a defensive back when you watch that game and you see. Kevin king getting scorched by scotty miller. At the end of the first half and aaron rodgers made mistakes. He threw a pick. He probably ranted in there. But when you have the coaching breakdown of allowing the touchdown the first half and then not going for it on fourth goal which makes absolutely no sense. If i'm aaron rodgers and i see that situation i don. Tom brady overrule run right. But i see tom. Brady going to new team after twenty years and get new super bowl. Don't you think. Aaron rodgers san man could be fun if i could go somewhere and have a little more freedom and have a better coaching staff and and have a an organization that will really invest in me. I understand that. It made sense to go from aaron rodgers To go from. Brett farve. Aaron rodgers but aaron rodgers in his prime right now. He should be a great quarterback for four five more years. And you draft. This guy in the first round to me makes absolutely no sense. I just think it's funny that the narrative is tom. 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Their story started in eighteen. Ninety two i love this nugget about. Ge thomas edison one of the founders of ge discounters a proud supplier of general electric appliances get online at the appliance discounters dot com the chiefs. Get their the chiefs are great. We all know that they had they been great for awhile. I ran the numbers today. I think it's like forty four in eleven. The last three years playoffs included. I mean like that. It's incredible and the second they get to their. They're going back the super as champions and i do. I hate responding or reacting reading too much into social media tweets but there were a couple that basically said they can't doubt us now or maybe the doubted will finally believe and i'm like who who doesn't say that she's are great. Who doesn't believe patrick. Mahomes is the quarterback. You'd want to the next ten year like the. So i i did a tko or the blitzer. What are we. call him. Unlike other really people out nobody doubts. The chiefs are great. They won the super bowl. Mahomes has one an mvp. And i say all of that. In the next day. I see stephen a smith on. Espn sang well. Homes has got all those players around him basis in. It's not really him. And kurt warner of all people then jumped in off the top rope on twitter is i. Don't be this guy. Give me a break mahomes So soon as i said there's no doubt as at what you talking about but the truth is you could always find one or two people taking shots on the whole nationally planets included fans. Everybody gets like. Nobody's disrespecting the cheese. Although stephen a apparently is and he's trolling. We know that that's what they do. But do you feel there's some widespread nonbelievers the chiefs. It it doesn't i will say though. It probably comes a little bit from gambling standpoint in the way that an onus gambling but how how chiefs finish the regular season they were not blowing anybody out. If you go back you look at a team. That has all the talent in the world defending super bowl champs and they do have high spreads because they're favored by seven nine ten but they weren't blowing anybody out the second half. Let's you all those games. Were close so they weren't playing like one of these dominant eighty five bears type teams but then when they turn it on you what they do and they beat. They beat the bills by a couple. Touchdowns should be more like three touchdowns and nobody was hotter the buffalo bills the last probably month or two of the season. I do think. I don't agree with what stephen smith said. But there's a kernel of truth there. I think think patrick mahomes has also just the most unbelievable talent i've ever seen in terms of throwing the ball different arm angles running around he's creative. He has huge arm. You also does have the best tight end. The game and travis kelsey the fastest players in the game in tyreek hill. And let's be real especially when you watch what happened last sunday. Andy reid is an asset especially in offensive asset from a coaching standpoint. Does aaron rodgers have that type of of help from a coaching standpoint. I don't think so as great as patrick mahomes is. And he's going to be the best quarterback in football prior for the next ten years he's going to be a hall of famer he's also in the perfect situation right but these guys running teams green bay should be looking at tampa bay in candidacies in. Okay you've got a quarterback who could probably win this year. Give him every chance to win. Build around that guy. That's that's to me. what's i mean. Rodgers deserves blame absolutely but look at what they didn't kansas city. Look what they did in one season in tampa and find a way to like build around that guy truck you realize this would have been third hour because i are hard core cooperstown. Talk second our nfl discussion. We'll do our front seven breakdown. The buccaneers next week on and we'll do. We'll look at some film this weekend and get into the line klay next week. I really like what the boxer doing and second in short but the third our topic is wearing raider. But he said okay. Third hour you know who goes third hour. Is dan rather the legendary newsman. I think it was during football sunday. Everybody's talking about all. The games in dan rather tweets out pretzels or chips. Which do you prefer like when watching the game like isn't that the classic third hour pretzels chips and then he said by the way i i vote for fritos so he went off. He went off. Menu there for historic. Dan rather goes third our topic trolley. We been vindicated in two thousand twenty one. Now we have debate this though when you say that pretzels versus chips i immediately think chip's but then i think about pretzels. If you have a nice dipping sauce like cheese okay so to me. It's it's an easy call for chips. But if you have a nice a nice chatter maybe a warm cheddar and then pretzels. Are you also. Are you just talking about hard pretzels or those really nice soft pretzels can get an appetizer at a restaurant where you can dip them all the different sauce so this is actually a great question. I think he'd bent your traditional bag of pretzels sitting on the sofa chips. I just think opens a wide variety of topics. There you could be. What kind of chips. You know flavored chip. I think the obvious anthem charge are the answers. Chips okay okay. Borrowed debated next week. Much like the line. Play of the buccaneers. We're going to the chiefs. Secondary concern about some of their footwork. Back there. all of that on what will be the thirty third which is fun with numbers next week. Martin marlo get it on itunes spot of by delivered directly to you and heard each week of course on scoop dana back on skewed data amac dot com. Chuck great houston.

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Salisbury Stakeout 10-30-20

The Sean Salisbury Show

13:16 min | 6 months ago

Salisbury Stakeout 10-30-20

"Let the celebration start a war. Sean sounds very on sports talk seven ninety. Sean here. Now the cells stakeout. Steakhouse on the Sean sounds ratio. What I'm Kieran, is that we're playing stakeout. That's right. What you got. The Detroit Tigers like we've mentioned, they are on the verge of hiring AJ hinch to be there next manager after his suspension ended after the world series ended my question for you on the hinch hiring there Detroit is. When. Will he get them back into the postseason? They've not been there since two thousand fourteen. They've not had a winning season twenty sixteen. How long do you think it takes Aj hinch to get them how about this back to a winning record this past year they went twenty three and thirty, five, six game season the year before that they would forty seven in one fourteen far-right He's going to get a long leash. Okay. Not only. Yeah I now. So he's inching closer to a contract right God yes. All right He's hinges away Aj stay away from baseball. I don't need to Hinch `Isms back twenty twenty to win more than eighty two games. The next after this next, if they play baseball yeah if there's not A. Right. So I wish they will say Max Three Years Realistic two years. For me. Think you're probably right. They've got some young prospects. And they've had the ability you WANNA. Talk about it I had to get the most out of they. They've they've spit in the past to. George Springer could land there. He wouldn't WanNa land there, but they've gone big on players. We'd like we said money can change a lot of things. Yeah. You can just waiting for one hundred and seventy-five million bucks. Yeah. Well, if off seen somewhere else. Aj would go in there and pine for that. Yeah. What what a what a great way to start off leading off your games with George Springer in Atlanta Right George Dongo. So I'm going to say twenty, twenty, two winning record. Latest Twenty eight twenty, twenty, latest, twenty, twenty, three close in twenty, maybe right around five hundred. Little under. But by the time he's into his third year they'll be optimism in spring training. It'll be optimism now when he signs because Aj hinch but those prospects start to rear their head. low eighties by twenty twenty. Make Sense. Yeah. I mentioned it earlier I'm surprised AJ would actually go to Detroit I know it's probably the only job offer. He really has a chance to get right now but I think if he just waits a year even maybe later in the off season there something else that opens up to win now I thought about it too. And then I thought about this aspect of it. He sits he's. He still has to wait another year to get a job this time guaranteed to come. and. Get a feel that. A lot of people aren't right jumping on this because of the bad pr also I mean the good jobs typically don't come open that's his thing. So he goes and takes this Detroit job. He deals with the media storm now, which isn't a typical media star Zoom calls. He does it again in spring training, and then once we get playing baseball again, nobody's going to talk about him because he's managing the Detroit Tigers Right Stink, and here's the deal. Member how big a hero he was and sixty game see going from sixty game seasons division winter sixty win seasons. Now. TURNS THEM INTO A. He's a hero. Because he again, he's going to have a leash. Deal right. He's going to get a long leash to turn this thing around like he's he's got a great job scared look. I, wouldn't WanNa live in the city of Detroit I got news for you when they're win it's good baseball. Yeah. It really is. So I don't think it's crazy I. initially thought it was. Taken now, if I was still I wouldn't take it I would I would wait for a different job, but it'd be want to get back in. You don't want you won't want to hold onto this thing make it last longer I get it I do too. When you're out of something guys out of any job, you discipline just to get back end somebody presents you an opportunity to give with one of the. With with a team, running the show and having a long leash and getting paid. More poorly than the money right now for AJ, he gets a chance to get back and do what he loves to do, and it's hard to replace those competitive juices again and getting Roland I get it now if Alan, trammell and sweet Lou, whitaker can just come back and they can get the short porch in right field again now maybe Miguel Cabrera will hidden amazing because he's only under contract like another four years. Here's they do go out and get go out and get the go. Cabrera actually lead them in home runs this year go out and you believe that and bring in. Mar. Martinez. Jd signed back here. They could bring back Orlando when he's got. All right. Miguel Cabrera is under contract for a guaranteed one, two three more seasons at thirty, thirty, two and thirty, two million for the age of forty, and then he has vesting options which won't hit, but he could potentially be under contract for another five years. Mickey. Last three seasons or something with McGaw Cabrera. He's been a to fifty hitter to eighty two with twelve home runs. To Ninety, nine with three home runs to forty nine was sixteen home runs. He's not good anymore they're paying thirty million bucks a year. Mickey. Mickey Mickey Cabrera. Great net great name though isn't it? He was making Love it I. Agree. and. Maybe he finds something back east thirteen home runs away from five hundred and. Fame career about one hundred, forty hits from three thousand eight triple crown winner at one point the crown to peace batting titles. Pretty good. That's a that's a hall of fame waiting to happen from Gal Cabrera With that in macgyver lost my train of thought Was it about Aj Hinch? Detroit. Miguel Cabrera Ver- lander JD Martinez all by the way Pozas waived. So they're going to be fine looking for a new closer here. Yeah. Ever in that was inevitable. No, WE'RE GONNA pay him ten million bucks to maybe that was thousand formality so I'm. Surprised not having he hasn't had Tommy John to be honest with you get a second opinion that said he didn't. But that's why you can't risk that any continue to put it off you continue to delay your return. Yeah. So yeah. So I think Aj. Hinch, by twenty, twenty, three and. Cabrera's get paid a lot of money for. Old School production I mean. This is a lifetime achievement award production but hey, he got to get was good negotiated. It can't blame him. Don't hate him for it. Mickey Cabrera Great Otto Hitter to center. Great hitter. Once you got for me Josh you mentioned earlier about when you visited Notre Dame before that issue is something different. It's you just don't even describe how you feel when you're there fact if you're a recruit coming out of high school right now and you couldn't go to USC. What do you think your dream school would be or at least? Where would you go and visit? That's what I six to that. So I had six visits, right? My visits if I was coming out now would be to notre. Dame I would still go back and visit one there just because of. History. I know what? I'm going to get their good academics and you're playing great teams all the time. Yeah. And I know that I mean just the feeling of. Being Notre Dame and I love my in tip. Then I'd still love it. Now, I've got to take a trip to Lsu. I tripped Alabama. Take a trip to Clemson then do Civil Sean where you recruited Van I don't mean I was I was. The number one recruiting a country at that position, the country coming out so I would have I'm assuming I would have recruited by you want to go but I would I would go to I would take a trip to the University of Texas. Because that's one of the great positions Texas quarterback and I would go I can't go to USC. No USC Stanford. Oregon probably. Stanford. Just because of I've always said that and I you know I took a trip to cal had to Stanford decided I was gonNA cancel it because I wasn't going there elway was there and I thought well two years but I wanted to play sooner and I wasn't gonNA play in quarterbacks leaving early then they played all four years, right? Yeah. So I but I'd Stanford, would be the PAC twelve school that I would visit and is the best academic school that you're going to get out there on the West played good football and I love David Shaw. So knowing what I know about David Shaw now and then soap Stanford Notre Dame. Lsu. Clemson Alabama. And would I miss Texas and Texas that would that would be an I I would I now you're probably take a couple unofficial wants to pay on my own. You know if you if there's a certain. I would have a hard time knowing their offense and how well they are not taking one to Ohio. State. The. Big Boys but the first six that come to mind. The Ohio State, I mean, how Michigan the Big House if I was going to the big ten to be one of those two right. I would have to consider taking a visit to Ohio state say we'll how state over Stanford better I get it but I still the Stanford thing would loom large because of the mix of academics David Shaw and they play better football they're no longer a bye week. You Know Stanford's a good program. So my last one would be them or Ohio State Ohio state would be intriguing because it's the Buckeyes and they win but I would probably say Stanford Right now but I Would and there may be a change maybe I'd go instead at Clemson go to Ohio state or but I'm assuming today you asked me no six came to mind pretty quickly though that that would be it. I. Would Go to Harvard and I would probably come down to Texas and oral how state maybe the other one but I'd want to go to Texas because it was they were the first school that showed up on my campus Texas when I was in high school yes. Football. Wise it sure when I was in high school, the first coach I ever met was mack. Brown. There you go. After they won the title he was there like two weeks later I remember Mike My high school football coach the defensive coordinator on my team. But had a lot of the recruiting came up to me and I was a sophomore and he said, well, you got your first because I, had been had basketball people come and baseball. Football because I wasn't playing varsity football freshman we had. We had a Dita's all American his dad was the athletic who a hell of a player. As our quarterback so and And one of my best friends it's like man I. I couldn't beat him out when I was a freshman, right? So I Guess Sophomore Years An and my coach comes up to me and I. Really I never played Pop Warner football to play at the Highschool Saas kind of it was kind of. Basketball Baseball, where my sports and he said, well, you got your first one and that's what he said to me. Jeff Carlisle. So what do you mean I I one we're getting ready for Spring Ball and he says University of Texas here today I'm like. Okay. South. Pretty. Cool I. Got To watch spring pro license all. Over my head, the coach then had to be. Dang and nineteen. Their royals. Was, coach royal the he wasn't the head coach was there. I. Don't remember who the assistant was. Well, you're wasn't there was there that had to be what seventy nine. Eighty seventy nine somewhere in there. It was was in between coach Royal. Coach Ross I'm pulling it up. Let's see. Seventy nine for the Texas longhorns would have been. Acres there you go. Thank you coach acres, but he wasn't on campus who was an assistant coach and was my first coach that showed up to a practice it spring ball. Those pretty cool. So there you go. Pretty Damn awesome unless he was lying to me but I don't think he was because he knew. Coach. Never. Lost Ball. Yeah. No. The high school coach, my high school the high school yet coaches just never lined general ever ever especially when it comes to recruiting never have but it was pretty cool. So you have those that's a good Frasca. I've thought about that often if I couldn't go to ask where would I go stanford would probably be the only PAC twelve school outta visited, and so some of those teams have chain were good back then and then there's some teams that weren't even on the map. Then right if you went back to my feelings now to the way I, look at the PAC twelve, the field backed in the teams how they were then to my feelings. Now, University of Washington was a program 'cause I actually was going to take a visit there, but I cancelled it because it was a pack. Twelve and I knew coach Don James was there. So if you told me, that was still that Washington team but my feelings now, I would probably mix them into because the campus, the Histamine, the tradition, the the crowd is well, it's like Seattle Siaka brutally loud. So if I knew then but I the Washington program coach, they're still trying to get themselves back right bets and a great quarterback program so I would have considered it but I'm good with the five I gave you outside of the pack twelve in Stanford. That would have been my six sportstalk seven, ninety roll along here. And Sean sows ratio and heading towards our number to. The end of it here next thirty minutes, we'll get you guys involves several and three, two, one, two, five, seven, eight, John Clayton nine thirty. Tony Larussa seventy six years old Adams. Sager if you're listening call in matter of fact, we need him to call in so we can just dog him. Over, the fact that Aj hinch well is going to Detroit sports stocks seven ninety.

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Hour 1

The Stephen A. Smith Show

37:40 min | 8 months ago

Hour 1

"This is the Max Kellerman show Kellerman show on ESPN radio. And I am Max Kellerman. Let me tell you something I have to do is very important. I've been told that this is very important. Raj Won't shut up about it all morning. Sure. You think the straight talk wireless. So here it is. Straight talk. Wireless has the full court cellphone coverage. You need just forty five bucks a month get you the unlimited plan with twenty five gigs of speed data. Or data depending on how you want to say it then two G.. For up to fifty percent less than the big carriers only at Walmart savings may vary see terms conditions at straighttalk dot com I dunno sounds like a good deal to. All right. As I was saying, this is the Max Kellerman show on ESPN radio ESPN news the ESPN APP Sirius Xm channel eighty or your smart speaker. Presented by Progressive Insurance guests appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line you can reach us at eight eight eight say espn at Eight, eight, eight, seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six, eight, eight, eight, say ESPN. The. The Mavericks Got Job last night and I took the clippers to win the whole thing when Kawais signed. I took the clippers. So Koweit I thought he proved he was the best player at at the very least for Hawaii you can say. The title is still disputed. Is like when Muhammad Ali was forced into exile by the government and undefeated fighter and frazier unified the titles the best you could say for anyone else's well Lebron always had the playoffs to prove. He was the greatest player in the world. So he got hurt and his team didn't make the playoffs. We didn't have that anymore. You know because at a certain point. Lebron. Wise W started taking foot off the gas in the regular season on defense because he had to save himself for the play offs two months season the playoffs. And that two months season you know. He's in it. Every year is the finals every year for nine straight seasons. So all right, what are you going to do? Or eight straight seasons. So what's IT GONNA be takes his foot off the gas and then so he can put it back on the gas when he needs it most in high leverage situations in the playoffs, and then at a certain point, it went from the bronze, the best regular season player in Lebron's the best postseason player. So He's just the best player to there are other guys who were better in the regular season than Lebron made by a little bit Steph Curry K.. D.. Depending on the year you could even argue James Harden depending on the year but then in the playoffs, Lebron, reminds everyone in the highest leverage games on that dude. But he's in half those games last year and Co. why meanwhile should not I'm that dude don't forget quiet one as a puppy a finals MVP as a puppy for the for the defense he played on libra before was asked to carry the offensive load in San Antonio. But as that series wore on, he went from scoring not so much to consistently over twenty points a game that was when he was like twenty two years old. Then he gets traded to Toronto. They win the whole thing and he has one of the all time. Great postseason performances on par with some of Michael Jordan, and Lebron James's So he's the champ now or best, you could say, well, let me see improve it against. Lebron. But I was saying in the preseason if he stays in Toronto Toronto's repeat. because. Repeat isn't that we repeat repeat repeat I would say you have to hit the oriented the re he's Toronto's going to repeat. because. There's no more Golden State Warriors the issue with K. D. was not the US looking to be on a good team the issue with K. deals there was already a seventy three win team they're seventy. And he joined that team they barely took anything away. It's not like to it. That's like anti competitive. That's that's a super duper team. You can't do anything with that but without K. D. they're all the sudden. This Toronto team with collide, they're going to win the whole thing or if he goes to the clippers. Forty Eight Games has doc rivers, the coach. And he got Paul George there. You replaced Danilo Gallinari Nice player Shakeel, just Alexander Nice player who's getting better with Paul George an MVP candidate until he got hurt last year and Kawhi Leonard who proved themselves in the crucible of the playoffs the best player in the world you replace those two forty, eight, one team. That's GonNa win the chip. So I've been on the clippers since the preseason. And I think they're going to beat Dallas? But. I gotTa tell you something. I don't know if they win last night. Dallas was controlling the whole game and every time the clippers. Early on the clippers had a nice lead in Dallas a raced it, and then some and every time the clippers started maker. Okay. Here comes you know Paul George was clutched throughout here comes quiet. They're going to start to impose their will nope. Because when porzingus is on the floor, it's hard to do anything with that. Dude. Now think about what happened. He earlier in the game. Is denied in the paint Bai Xue box, right? He was fouled and they didn't call it. They swallowed the whistle clearly fouled there's no, it's not a controversial. Not I don't know it's like, oh, they foul porzingas got away with the replay you could see that he was out. And then the very next play on the other end of the floor. So by the way, he would've scored two points at. He would've gone to the free throw line at least. And on the very next plan on on defense, he has a clean block and they say he committed a foul. So he's like you swallow your whistle on one end, and then you're blowing your whistle when you when you shouldn't be on the other end, think about that. That's great. Offensive player about a score in playoffs, and then a great defensive player denying a dude in the playoffs and both times not only does he not get credit for it they don't get the points and the other teams going to the line what. So of course, he's GonNa pump his fist frustrated utm up that you them up behind showing little frustration in the playoffs. So all right, so that I is bogus and then the second technical darkish gets gets in it with with Morris and it was a little misunderstanding now. Did porzingas behave optimally no he was not in as a peacemaker right but he wasn't exactly exacerbating things either he was kind of standing up for his do creating some space but when more got involved in more. He pushed off a ladle. Stop Utm over that after you job them a both ends of the floor tetum up unfairly that's three times he got jobbed and then teach them up when you really should. By the letter of the law, get all the way out of here as soon as Porzingis left the floor that was the end of the Mavericks? It's not the dodgers just not their best players still he is. I'm telling you right now porzingas stays healthy. He there's an MVP, his future he's seven foot three. He can shoot the three and shoots it a lot. He can take biggs off the dribble. He can defend in space. He can defend the paint Kenny be they harped on it on the broadcast last night, and of course there right. But can you be better in pick and roll defence sure. But when he's on the floor of the other teams, offense is different think of the game for how much easier got when Porzingis was off the floor. But don't take my word for it the erased an enormous deficit early. In what looked like it might be a blow out. Then they started controlling the game and lost control. The moment porzingas left the Florida we're up I don't know five or six points, and that was the end of the game for the Mavericks. That was it. By the way. Even if they I'm not saying they definitely would have won that game with porzingas on the floor I understand. If you say the clips are GonNa come back on them. And I don't think they're going to win the series. But thought maybe they could take six maybe even seven games. And they just got robbed. Here's poisoning after the game. But honestly I understand we we got into a little bit and I saw him getting into Luke's face and I didn't like that. That's why I reacted and and That's a that's a smart smart thing to do from their part and I, just got to be smarter and control my emotions next time especially on the first one I understand the second one but the first one. Even. Though I felt like he was a clean glock. They probably going to call that tech for thrown and every time. So I was going to be smart and and not let my emotions get the better of me. By the way I'm looking at that again on a simulcast let me tell you what happened on on on the second tech that got him ojected. He came in to create distance between Morris don-shik Morris. Didn't like it put his hands on Porzingis and pushed off at then porzingas pushed off to get Morris off them the more I look at it the more egregious it is and look the mavs then went into chip this year I, don't think but see House that I don't think I. Don't think you could say they can't either even. Down to the team that I picked but I'm telling you if porzingas stays healthy, there is a chip in their future. There's going to be an MVP at least one dodgers future and I'm telling you right now PORZINGAS GONNA get one too. I. Don't know if he stays healthy giants, their bodies don't, and he's a giant for three giants don't react like other people to like we have to see how he developed. He's already had a catastrophic injury and we have to see if he can if his body can take you put if he can. Everyone's harping on dodger right now because he's like harden kind of numbers almost triple double with thirty points. Guys. porzingus. is every bit he's called the Unicorn. He's every bit the generational. That dodges maybe like no one has done swagger really right. Lebron didn't have that when he entered the League Kobe, did like there are very few players who came in the league like with dodge what's up Larry Bird did Magic Johnson those dudes? But so I'm not saying the attitude is exactly the same. But this dude porzingus get sleep if you want. Here's dodge after the game. I knew like. My Bag. He did it for me the first thing you know. My back. And not just me and whole appreciate that I don't think it was very Liam out of game specimen playoffs. But you know do the side so we had to play with him stuff. You know people always they're saying it's like Magic Johnson with Donncha Jr and. Dirk Nowitzki with. With. porzingis. And I know I touched on this yesterday I know why people are saying magic he he shoots it a lot. He doesn't shoot it particularly well, from long range yet birdshot the lights out and also people want to be careful and not do kind of of racial stereotyping. Oh, he's a six foot eight white guys. Let's compare him to another six, thousand eight. Why? In fact he's a lot like bird doesn't shoot it as well as bird yet but he's like bird in terms of the level of arrogance that he enters the league with. In terms of the fact that he's not really a point guard, he's not always bringing the ball, but but he's frequently getting into your offense. He's a forward, not a guard. And he has a brilliant all around sense of the game and you're pairing with porzingas pausing shoot it as well as Novitsky but he shoots plenty well enough and the dude ain't six eleven he's seven three. And a defender. On the line now. Here let me do this properly. There's only my second time doing the show. I. Haven't done of four years little rusty, but it's OK. On, the line now. Kendrick Perkins joins US via the Shell. Pennzoil? Performance Line. And he's going to give a straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart. See what we did two things to spots Kendrick, you'll perks such a big deal. It takes to sponsors to bring you want show. I. I listen. I'm telling you first of all congratulations on your show. Say Yes, not come on here for you to run my blood pressure up today I'm telling you. But we even get started. But we even get started. Let me tell you something right now someone's writing a Sonny liston biography a bio-pic for you to star in. You're an old soul perk you like a grumpy old much but you're too young. You're about how do you like ten years younger than? Thirty five thirty five brothers. You. Were born at thirty five about thirty five. Some some some may mistake is Maurice Chestnut I'm just saying I have sworn. I. Saw you beat Cleveland Williams. Back in sixty six. What are you talking about you in an eight round? Listen I know your grandma watches I take doesn't she? You've mentioned that? You should watch it all the time and what did she say about the way you talk to me on I take? She said, don't talk to make selected. But why why? Why why did you see because because he actually she actually enjoys listening to you. She and Georgia show she enjoys. I take. She watches you. She's a big fan of boxing bout away. So shopping knowing, yes, she's been on you for a while. So so she's a big Fan. Yours that's that's why that's right. That's right. Learn some respect for your elders. Hey, perk I bet you is considering the way you think you're a TV starring considering the way you because there are Chroma jains in the sports media right and you're that early on I thought well perk is. It better the way his era played and the way they play now and it's good. But you actually have real depth to to your analysis and your game and everything and. The. Way You talk on TV has to make me think your grandma has personality to right I'm guessing she has personality. Personality played fire Yo I want you to ask her to come on this radio show I want. What do you call grandma? Grady grant I want granny I want granny on the radio show. I want to ask granny if you are watching I want you to come on the show. He's a boxing fan too. You know all right PERC said, you didn't come to get your blood pressure worked up but that's precisely what's going to happen. What do you have to say you a problem with anything? I said so far on this show. I have been for the first time for the second time you been dead on and I agree with you on some you've been spied on about everything you have been saying for the first. Time I agree with what was the first time? I I I. Think it was us we the talking about something had to do with the raptors or something to that nature not I finally agree with you on some Recall we disagree so much. So unilaterally so you mean that literally like you don't even remember the topic, but you remember that we disagree so much that this is only the second time. We've agree like if I say, Hey, it's a nice day. You're going to say, no, this day is the weather's terrible like that type of stuff. When you need your bank capital one is right in the palm of your hand. So you can check your balance deposit checks, pay bills, and transfer money from your phone with a top rated up and when you're done banking. But it back in your pocket, a banking experience built around you and your life this is banking reimagined get started online anytime. What's in your wallet, capital one and a member FDIC. In New York I'm in I'm in I'm in Houston. So I have to disagree which. You stealing signs while you're there what? Why? Why do you bring that up to? Say I'm just saying that's all I'm saying I. By, the way it you know. You should feel some type of way. As a New, York Knicks Fan watching presenters and the beautiful basketball that he's been playing for the Dallas. I mean if if I'm a New Yorker and I'm a I'm a die hard knick fan born and raised in New York I feel some type of way to way Dallas just told them from your stolen. I mean. Literally just from first of all, I was a die hard knicks fed. I was a diehard. Heart dead. I'm a Lakers fan now I win did La Radio for six years. I gave up the Knicks because that Dude James Dolan is so incompetent as owner of the knicks. Perk and then he sends his minions out to spend its beat me in the head with this nonsense about about. Well, we're rebuilding the team like what kind of an idiot do you take the fans for what type of an idiot you take me for members of the media for your trading a seven foot three Unicorn? Who's WHO's a monster on offense and his offense is only half. As good as his defense and he's still getting better you trade that do with a personality like that. Fit Right in in the NBA New York City on his rookie deal and have the nerve to look a straight in the eye and perkins. You might say fix your mouth to tell us that that you trade them to build for the future. Hey, geniuses you build around him for the. And they didn't get anything for them. Now they get nothing back. Nothing bad. No debate, you know what Dallas, Oh Jal Dallas is job. You. Use L. Three fifty and got back a Rolls Royce. That's unbelievable. You agree I say per per se. If if if he stays healthy if present stays healthy given his age given the trajectory of his career and his improvement until he got hurt now he's back to where he was expected to get better than this. You know a lot of times we see a due to going to get better and better you never really. Does by the time, he gets the wisdom the body starts to go but I look at age in the way he was developing and I say yet I think Porzingis is GonNa get significantly better than this, and this is already a damn good player like a game changing player. I say, if he stays healthy, there's an MVP and a championship in his future. Agree, and you know what? Let me be the first apologize because I actually called pros, inkers, Adiba diva, and me watching him play. Because I didn't know what was going on in New York and all I kept hearing them do was complaining about the organization and you know Miss Exit Meetings Pale if I if I was part of if I was playing for that franchise, I would have been missing exit beacons to. This function I want to apologize to rose zinc is because I called him a diva for the way that he cared himself all of basketball for the way he held the dog they should but I would have done the same way not a. West. so announce Cuesta. Look. At the History Davis and an m maybe Yokich right he's the next. He's the next big in line. Right when you look how versatile guy. He's seven to Thika shoot that three. He got he got turnarounds over both shoulders. Could put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket and I'm not talking about a basic line right hand drive. Now, I'm talking about actually putting some Gillian it crossing over euro in and by the way underrated ramp ticket I would like to see them on the block a little bit more. But that's not what the game is about. We've seen that last night watching Joel be posted so dead but when you look at what he brings to The table for the seven two guy that could pick and pop off mix it up and pick and roll and dynamic road lot threat at the Real I. Do see him he could possibly he could possibly win the MVP and I. Do see him look Danni in the next six to seven years at least winning one at least that's what I'm saying I want I want to be was just the day that was that was hurt. This is what I'm saying. Close to beat the clippers yet today that game was dares to get intimate. Imagine you're porzingas first of all, imagine how dysfunctional the Knicks are that. Love, this because this is a national show where we're talking about New York and Texas can I figure out a way to talk about Chicago La at the same time? Oh. Yeah. L. A. The clippers this works. Look I think about how dysfunctional the Knicks are you have porzingas and you create an atmosphere around this dude so toxic that he can't wait to get. New York now think you're porzingas perk you get out of there you go to mark Cuban who whatever else you want to say because that organizations had culture culture problems to but whatever you want to say he seems to be a player friendly owner, right you you go from from Dolan to to to mark Cuban you go from playing with those dudes on the knicks to playing with a genius I mean whatever you WanNa say about Luca. because. He could shoot it a little better. Still he plays no defense but sometimes perk Ucla Basketball Genius Lebron like magic like bird like. Kit, a lot of times they're point guards but not always where you go, they see it differently they see the game and how it's unfolding differently from other dudes they. Have like six sets you go and how much fun could that be to go from that toxic environment with no place to win and an owner who everyone hates to this he's got to be seventh heaven right now. He is you could see it in his play makes the best duo in the bubble right now is porzingas in Luca in the stats back it up, they're the best duo ended the bubble. So with that being said, presented to me is playing the best basketball of his career right now he's finally healthy and you know why is because Luke as a as a hooper amax mutate some as a former NBA cliff. If. you in a great situation. If you know if you in a great situation, you're going to perform well like if your organization is great and you are happy to actually go to work and you feel those ask about being around the the the organization, the franchise and all this, and you're able to communicate you love your own going to perform at a high level. And that's what we're seeing right now the most important thing about this segment perk is that. You've agreed to ask granny to be a guest on this show. Of Talk Green you'd listened for real granny. She could talk about any topic she wants she wants to talk the fights she can talk the fights anything she wants but I want granny on this show. Yeah Yeah and by the way if you WANNA put her on camera, she wants to be our camera even better. But I need to meet growing I need to meet her on the air. All right. All right perks trying to pass off that you're thirty five years old you played with sweetwater Clifton don't lie. Thirty five years old. Makes next. Listen I always tell people. I'm the fly six PM brother. You will meet you understand I keep telling people this. You know when I get my have cut when I have. Could I'm a dime piece when I get my haircut I'm eleven people could crack all the jokes were heard it referred to themselves as timepiece ever. I heard it just now you. Know. That's the I. Know you you. You notice before working with me for almost a year. Now that I'm not sure I'm not normal person not right now. Perk. Perk is different. Listen thank you for coming on the show and I hope that hearing a lot more from you on this show in the future, the Great Kendrick Perkins Ladies and Gentlemen. gave us the straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart. By the way, the NBA playoffs are on ESPN radio. You can tune in tonight as harden and the rockets battle. The thunder presented by indeed coverage begins at six PM eastern on most ESPN radio stations. By the way the way the rockets optimized those you know the the the play, the most efficient basketball possible they only take. Shots that have rich rewards either in the paint where from three. Even without Westbrook, the always have a punchers chance. But Damn James and can you come through in the clutch? This playoffs the only thing separating James Harden from all time great status is a clutch postseason. All right, look. Speaking of need of clutch postseason embiid almost pulled off the upset versus the Celtics but did he do enough also? We finally get to see the first matchup. We wanted to see. The number one matchup, first round matchup I said I at first matchup we wanted to see. Lakers blazers to night Max Kellerman show ESPN radio. Portland now gets the Lakers in the first round. This to me is the worst possible draw from the Lakers. It's more than just Lillard it is mellow. It's also the broken backup mccollum when he got left for the Lakers I got a lot left the good Laura. There have been questions about their consistency about eighty consistency. The Lakers have had trouble making shots if they're not making shot or can beat them. No they can't Portland can't beat the Lakers. By. The way. You cannot. Dame get them dame. You can't imagine the in the commercial break the amount of planning and service that's for troubles that that Raj everyone's going to Wendy, do the radio when you re yet but and then you have to do a billboard guys, it doesn't matter these pedestrian radio rules don't apply to the talent, the likes of me how dare you? This is the Max Kellerman show on ESPN RADIO ESPN news, the ESPN APP Siriusxm, Channel Eighty, or your smart speaker presented by Progressive Insurance guests appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line. That's that would be the shell pennzoil performance line reach us at eight, eight, eight, say Espn Eight, seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six. When you Lebron jeans had to say that his presser here it is. Probably going to be one in five toughest. Now. You know championship Iran for for me. Personally. Circumstances of just being here. The Thing about when people say it's the toughest may feel that way to the players but understand basketball any sport is zero sum game zero sum means either win or you lose. Binary to outcomes. You got a winner and a loser if it is the toughest thing to win a championship in the bubble, then it's the toughest thing for everyone to win a championship in the bubble, and therefore it is tougher for no one to win a championship in the bubble is so I get that really this is what it is and you know what? I don't know if I even have his permission to say this out. Loud but I guess it's harmless Michael Young shortstop for the Texas Rangers for years who by the way. Advanced metrics really kept some baseball players. I'd like to see in the hall of fame out of the hall of fame like if this were years ago, Bernie, Williams would be in the hall of fame the Yankee. Center fielder. Because, the home runs batting average RBI's like in his prime, we're all hall of fame type numbers. Hit Three thirty thirty home runs under Bibi's. Give or take a bunch of seasons twenty, five hundred. Michael Young like that as a shortstop in another era Michael Young's in the hall of fame. That was good for at shortstop for two hundred hits a year use a productive player. Anyway he's a big basketball Fan Lakers fan was saying this is like a good experiment. To see like. The bubble. What's homecourt? Worth? Right. What's it worth? He's not wrong about that. Because the bubble, you can see what kind of advantage did the higher the teams that would have had home court what was their winning percentage, the small sample size but still you know it's not the smallest samples is you have hope playoff worth of games, and then you can compare that to recent years winning percentages of the home team find that would homecourt advantage is actually worth. In the NBA, it's a good point. So I get that Lebron doesn't really get to enjoy the home court that one seed would have playing an eight seed. And put for those thinking that the blazers are going to upset the Lakers. It's not gonNA happen guys. The place we've been given up one, hundred, twenty, one, hundred, thirty points a game. Like Lillard was the MVP of the bubble, but the blazers were not not of the bubble. Bigger sense they were because they made the playoffs. But and they had to play to elimination games to get there. But They that defense basically, it's just score score score score late in the Game Damian Lillard steals the ball gives you you an extra possession and hits the big shot and you win but I will remind people again against the Brooklyn Nets who had nothing to play for and everyone hurt. Not, just Kyrie and Katie everyone's hurt except for Charissa avert. LEVERT. Who is their best player by far? had. A decent look to win the game to send the. Blazers home he just missed it. He missed a decent look at the end of the game that's not the blazers. That's him missing shot. Blazers could easily be out of the playoffs if he would've been had, he hit that shot that Blazers team is not beating this Lakers team in a best seven. Let me give it to you another way. Lebron James is an MVP candidate. Is An MVP candidate they're both legit candidates they don't have my vote either one. They're both legitimately a top five or six players this year. In the history of the NBA has there ever have there ever been to top five to six players on the same team were knocked out in the first round. And I'm not talking about based on their resume always going to the hall of fame. He's gaming mean right now there's still a lot of people telling you Lebron. James the best player in the world I disagree. But maybe if they win the whole thing, you'll prove that that I'm wrong and that he still is the best player in the world. That's possible. I don't I think Hawaii better than him right now not much. A little bit better than them right now. Now, you mean to tell me this version of Lebron who you're arguing should be an MVP allowed you. And, a D. who a lot of others are saying, maybe the best player on the team, those two are going to get knocked out in the first round by a team that can't play defense. Nah. NOPE That's not going to happen. I don't think it goes seven. I, think this is because Damian. Lillard is coming into the series with one of those attitudes that we can all recognize like this dude is not trying to be denied because of Lillard and by the way, mccullum is showing and he's had some clutch moments in big games in the past but he's shown with a broken back talking about I break my back for this TV's with a broken back he's balling. But for how long, it's not as consistent from mccollum. And Carmelo's playing Nice basketball offensively but also he's not a defender even though he's made strides there from compared himself in recent years. And Merkich can do things but also this is not this is a porous defense. But because of the way they play on offense, they can win a game or two I think they could take it six. Five six games I do not see them extending the Lakers. Lakers aren't GonNa hit shots Danny Green has made a career by being the to guard that. You want on a championship team. You think it's coincidental that he is with the Spurs for years and they're constantly making playoff runs their powerhouse, and then he goes to Toronto and they win the championship. Danny Green is kind of exactly the the prototypical three and D guy. And even at this stage in his career twenty, five minutes a game. Okay. He's struggling in the bubble so far from three but for his career forty percent from three shooting about five of them a game this you're thirty, seven percent. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1467: Strasburg Back

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

1:16:58 hr | 1 year ago

Effectively Wild Episode 1467: Strasburg Back

"And ended ADS savell a new low end. Welcome to episode. Fourteen sixty seven effectively wild made his guest Ben Graphs presented by unpatriotic supporters. I am a member of the ringer joined by similar of. ESPN closing Tabin. Wishing I tell you about some possums yes please thanks to some people who Passed on some information about possums and also opossums different. Technically should be possums right. The ones we're talking about. Yeah technically yeah all right so two things that that are key to this that I need to correct one is I thought it's so odd. The only animal that that does this in place de many animals have some version of playing being dead yet. But you didn't say what they do so I was saying what they do. They play possum. Many animals have some form form of playing dead and some even do something very similar. A many many of the plane deads are are fake. They're under the. We're going to get to this. But they're under the control of the animal but some it's somewhat automatic so for instance in the hog nosed snake a threatened individual rolls onto its back and appears to be dead when threatened by a Predator while a foul smelling volatile fluid uses from its body and predators such as cats then lose interest in the snake which both looks and smells dead. One reason reason for their loss of interest is that rotten smelling animals are avoided as a precaution against infectious diseases. In this case exploiting that reaction newly hatched young and also instinctively show this behaviour when rats try to eat them so To go back to the to the possum specifically yes the possum awesome here here. There's a few things one is. They are not playing dead at all. This is an automatic response than they go into shock. And so I'm reading this. This is an article by Bethany foster at animals dot mom dot me. I get that I get response but I I like Bethany is my favorite writer now. This article is a is a triumph. Okay playing dead is an involuntary response. The stress of the confrontation facing the possum causes him to go into shock. This shock induces a comatose state. Can last from forty minutes to four hours while dead. The opossums body is limp. Its Front feet. Formed into balls and drool runs out of its mouth. It may appear that. Rigor Mortis has begun the opossums guys of death. It goes so far as to produce a smell of decay from his anal. Glands opossums body emits Green Mucus. That will discourage most predators from feeding on him while while he's in his Co. motto state. This smell leads. The Predator to believe the opossums body is a rotting carcass. Unfortunately being run over by vehicles is now the most common way in which opossums are killed. The smell does nothing to help them in this situation. Yeah so that's pretty cool and I ve vastly underestimated the design the development of this adaptation. And it's fantastic and I'll never mock in a possum again. Yeah well I will still knock the predators for falling for this though. 'cause my initial reaction to that was but you just killed the thing or you just had it in your jaws and it was running around and it was warm and alive and then suddenly it excretes a foul odor order something and you say oh. I guess it's rotting but I probably overestimated the intelligence of animals. Animals are pretty done for me. I mean I can't blame them for not wanting to eat. Something that is excreting foul smelling ooze from its inaugural. I wouldn't WanNa do that either. But I it wouldn't be fooled. I don't think I wouldn't assume that it was actually long dead but still pretty unpleasant to eat. Now I think of the apostles the Avocado of the wild wild kingdom because similar to how an avocado is not ripe at twelve forty and two ripe at twelve forty six you think you have a meal l. and then it just goes bad on you and so you just go. Well I guess this one is one got sold past its expiration date or something and so I mean yeah if it smells bad you're probably hi not eating it. You're probably not going to be like well. Rationally speaking I know this is delicious Yeah that makes sense all right so Stephen Strasburg signed and we start. The podcast. Cast talking about possums but we had to get to old business. I anything else you want to say before we get to Strasbourg okay. So I've already written about this. This move for the ringer you can go read it and look at the graphs if you want but big news big signing big dollars. Lots of years nationals resigned Stephen Strasburg for seven in years and two hundred forty five million dollars in guaranteed money with a no trade clause and no opt-outs and a little bit of deferred money but not extreme extreme and it has to be paid pretty quickly after the end of the deal and it will have interest as well so not surprising. I don't think that Strasbourg resigned. The low obviously it was very possible that he wouldn't after he did opt out. But we talked about this before he had already signed one long term extension with the nationals. That would have kept him in DC through twenty twenty three and then he opted out of that the of course after his very strong season but he already envisioned himself as a national he had already committed admitted to be a national for years in the future. So it's not shocking that he still found that possible to envision and of course there's a long and fruitful relationship between the learners and Scott. Boris his agent never a surprise when Scott Boras client science with the nationals. And then you have the fact that the nationals just won the world series there in line nine for a revenue festival as cut explain and People by the way pointed out that there is a cherry blossom festival in DC. which may be what? Boris was actually alluding to there. So that makes it a bit more comprehensible. Although still he went along way for that one and then finally there is is the trend or what seems to be a trend for world series winning teams to bring back huge percentages of their roster. Just because they don't want to break up the band and maybe they have more money. I need to spend and there's good cheer Mike. Rizzo said a week ago that he had been drunk for a month so that he did get married after the world series stories. That was part of it. I guess a low. I don't know if you should be drunk for your whole honeymoon. That doesn't so much fun for your new spouse but anyway that's what he said and so maybe the Scott Boris Talk to him when he was in compromise state. I don't know or maybe he did an end around and talk to the owners anyway. Point is Strasbourg resigned. Not that surprising rising and kind of cool that he now will likely be a career national or there's a good chance that he will be which is always fun when a player can get paid and yet also oh forge that long term relationship with fans and of course he was the top draft pick. Can he had that exciting debut in the shutdown and all the rest so that in the postseason heroics exits nice. That he could stay there. But the surprise is the number of years and the hours because he had been widely predicted to make a lot less than this and moby trade rumors had him at one eighty. I think and I think this just blew up my entire offseason contracts draft. I think you win because I'm pretty sure I took the under on right. Yeah you weren't doing great as it was but not only did this a sink you way into native but it also seems almost certain now that Garrett Cole will yes we'll get much more than the two fifty six. I needed the over on that. Yes that's over. At Fan Crafts. The crowd had had him at. I think one hundred forty million Kylie highly ahead him at one hundred fifty so people were projecting him for five years or six years and instead he got seven with a higher average annual value. And I believe this is is the first time that a pitcher. This old has signed a deal. This long-term since Kevin Brown in nineteen ninety eight and that deal worked out. Fine and and Kevin Brennan was really good. And of course the Max Scherzer deal with the nationals has worked out splendidly so these things can work out but teams is obviously have been wary of committing to pitchers this age for this long but Strasbourg put himself in a great position for a big payday and obviously the market seems to be back to some semblance of what it used to be in. This is another example of that. Yeah did you know that. I don't know if you remember this but do you remember that when Maqsood signed signed the deal. Mlb execs voted it the worst free agent signing of the off season. I remember David Cameron putting it on his Like deals of the offseason list or something fan grasp but no. I don't remember that. Wow I I didn't remember it being seen as as as as that bad I Kim Roy. I vaguely recall thinking that it was good if they traded Strasbourg which is like a galaxy. Yeah ready to remember that too. Yes it was was like. They couldn't have both or something like that. They had too many pitchers they had the trade Strasbourg. He wasn't gonNA resign with them anyway or something like that but yeah I love the fact that he will be a one player a one team player. Just I I mean I don't think I don't. I don't need every player to be a one team player layer by any means. There are certain ones though particularly when the story starts so early in their career. When they're you know like with Strasbourg he was famous famous before he became a national and for him to be drafted first overall by this terrible team? That's coming out of a terrible well. It's was still all stock in a terrible spot. But he brought them into. This era is golden age in and it seemed like it seemed like the nationals. Maybe were were passed the Golden Golden Age. It seemed like maybe they weren't GonNa Win World Series. Bryce Harper had left and nothing's started to seem like they were on the decline and then he not single enderle but I mean there were like three pitchers on that staff in October and he was the best of them sort of single handedly pitches to them to the world series and now he gets to be a national for life so how many probably so. How many number one overall picks would you guess spend their entire career with one team so this is including ones sued? Just were bad. Never asked majors or barely know if you never made the majors you don't get credit for being on an interview. Sign somewhere else after herb. You never made the majors back. Then it's not gonna it's not going to. So what are there have been like fifty five of them or something so far somberly pass and yes of course Some of them are recent draftees. So Oh gosh I guess Eight yeah if you only count people who were drafted before Strasbourg. There were only four. And there's basically Carlos Correa says I think the only I think gray is actually the only one who currently only has major league experience and who would qualify. Of course there are others. Don't have major league experience but craic could be the six but yeah Al Chambers who played only fifty seven games. uh-huh in the majors so he barely counts Luke Hotel Var who was a royal his whole career. Not Dodger at all. That's who drafted afternoon. Didn't sign him right. I think so all right. That joke will make a little bit of sense. I don't even know what the joke was. And then Joe Mauer Chipper Jones and Joe Mauer Jones are are both great eight one team players. You know they're both local. They were both hall of fame caliber. MVP's batting champs the whole deal and So Strasbourg it fits into the category with I think Power Chipper Jones is in a way kind of the most satisfying number one overall picks ever along with. Of course Ken Griffey Junior. Yeah so so with any long term deal you have the generic wealth. This could go bad because pitchers get old and they get hurt and anything can happen. And obviously in Strasberg's case he's coming off a career year. I think you could say once you put together his regular season performance and his superb postseason performance. And he's he's lost some fast speed. He's lost a few miles per hour couple miles per hour in just the last couple of years and he has compensated and adjusted just fine. He's throwing more of other types of pitches. Lots of curveballs. Lots of sinkers and he has made it work fine for him and of course the changeup is still a good pitch. So there's no real trouble on the rise in it's always some wet worrisome. When pitchers lose velocity but almost all of them do unless it's Justin verlander basically so Strasbourg has tackled that challenge about as well as could be expected and the big question with him is and has been and continues to be durability and he answered that question as well as he could in one year with a career high single season innings total when you combine regular season and postseason so the big risk is? This is a guy who a year ago people didn't think he'd even opt out of the deal. which would have paid him for years? one hundred million after this year and end completely changed that perception in one year and it became an obvious decision for him to opt out but if he changed it from an obvious no too unenvious. Yes yes in one year then of course it could change back. He is someone who's been on the injured list in his career nine times. He has many years removed now. Oh from Tommy John Surgery so there's always a concern there. He is not really an established. Were course he's coming off a season when he was one of the best pitchers in baseball But hasn't been that year in year out necessarily at least for a high number of inning. So that's a concern but makes a lot of sense for the nationals to bring it back because they had had the payroll room and they're really tough division and they needed to bring back at least one of Strasbourg and Renan. We can talk about what this means for condoned but this puts them right back into the thick of things really if you look at the projections on fan graphs for the depth charts of the teams. Actually the mets on top. Stop if you can believe it and projected war I don't okay and then the braves and the nationals are essentially neck and neck. So if you believe leave that which we've established that you don't the mets case they would really need to make one more impact move to make themselves the favorite in the least so yes they just won. The world series is but the phillies wheeler. And we're already a decent team and may make more moves and the braves of course have been very busy and they've been signing guys left and right and the mets swell. The mets traded for Jake Maricic. But they also have a full season of Marcus stroman other really good players. So it's definitely not like they have that at least locked up. They have to keep making moves. They're sort of right in that sweet spot where everyone might matter a lot. So as to the durability question with Strasbourg I was really is wrestling with this question of whether his injury record is worrisome because he has missed a handful of starts in a bunch of his seasons or if it's really encouraging because he hasn't had a major injury in in almost a decade he Tommy John Surgery when he was a kid kid the twenty two year old and recovered from that very well and has otherwise not had any Any Carina real like he hasn't had any major surgeries he hasn't had anything that's been like real chronic or anything like that. He doesn't like blister issues or like a bad back or degenerative hip or anything like that and and obviously you prefer your ace to to make thirty four starts but in this day and age. I wonder if being able to say well you know. Twenty twenty eight on average average is really all you really expect from a modern pitcher and his his history of not suffering major injuries sort of career altering injuries. That would really ruin a deal. Deal is actually quite a benefit and add to that the fact that you know. Because he's missed a little time here and a little time there. He hasn't been heavily work in one of the reasons that obviously he proved it wrong but one of the reasons that people didn't were skeptical of shirts or is a free agent is that he had thrown more pitches than anybody in baseball for some time period before he was he he he thrown a lot and people worried that the cumulative effect and it is true if you start to do the actuarial tables of thirty year old pitchers who throw in a lot of winnings the breakdown probably true pitchers who don't throw a lot of innings either. I wonder if Stephen Strasburg is perhaps in the sweet spot of having neither thrown a ton huntings nor really shown any any fragility. Yeah I mean. I guess there's less surgery was after the twenty thirteen season. He had some sort of minor elbow thing. I think just like a cleanup of loose bodies of the term loose bodies. But I don't think he's had a surgery since then he has had some elbow new strains or like forearm nerve things. He's had a couple of nerve injuries but yeah like obviously nothing career threatening. I mean I guess that almost it goes without saying because if he'd had multiple career-threatening injuries he wouldn't be getting this deal. I mean he is kind of like in that spot where he's durable enough to get a deal like this but also pretty injury prone for a pitcher who gets deal like this right. I mean I guess you could say that that if he had had a more severe injury recently than keep wouldn't get this. I can't put for someone. Who did there are quite a few red flags or the things that he's had to transcend? Yeah I it's hard to. I mean not many obviously. Not Many pitchers get a delightful. Nominee pitchers are in position to get gotTA deal like this is so it's hard to find a But you know you look at sack. Wheelers deal Zack. Wheeler is obviously not needed and get two hundred forty five million dollars but he got that one hundred twenty million dollars and he is you know not nearly as good a pitcher Stephen Strasburg and has a very recent injury. History of of major injuries injuries. That that was only two or three years ago and he's still got he's still got five hundred twenty million which is more than we were we were expecting and so it is true. You're right I it might be that that. This is a logical conundrum where I will never find a pitcher who has both major injuries and also two hundred and forty five million dollar contract or a seven year contract contractor or anything like that. But I don't know I guess I'm just a offering the more optimistic. Take on his on his workload on his history. Yeah Yeah in two thousand eighteen. He pitched what one hundred thirty innings or something and he had a couple Alston's so that was concerning coming into this year and then he put those concerns to rest about as well as he could have. Yeah if there's anything to worry about in fact it might be his innings this year once you include postseason. Are you know a lot. Like what did he. He threw twenty thirty like thirty four postseason innings so he threw almost two hundred and fifty more than two hundred and forty innings this year which which is A career I in in high for anybody. I don't know what the current research is on postseason hangover effect for starting pitcher workload but it is certainly something that people people talk about. And and maybe you could say that It was his maybe the thesis I had for his well-managed workload in sort of a lab beneficial workload. Maybe that bought him this year. And maybe now that's all old news because he just threw two hundred and forty some innings. Yeah so when we talked about the new crass knicks the Rogers's. ESPN poll of Front Office. People in Baseball insiders twelve of the fifteen that were surveyed. said that Brendan was the more likely player to return to the nationals. And says but Strasbourg has and I think if I were choosing between them I am. I don't know like on. The one hand Renault is probably a better player in a more dependable player. Just as a position player even but also I could see how how it might be more beneficial for the nationals to lockup Strasbourg if they were only going to sign one just because the nationals top prospect and one of the top prospects in baseball baseball is Carter key boom. He played some third base in triple A. This past year he can play third base. So you have a ready replacement. They're obviously not like one to one for rendering at least not this year. But that someone you could envision taking over that spot whereas if Strasbourg walks than you can't really replace him with someone who's just as good without signing another big pitcher or at least they don't really have one who's ready right now in the same way so I see why this might be more vital on the other hand. I just don't see why they can't do both. I know that Mark Lerhner the nationals principal on her. He said he implied that they couldn't do both. And that was what Boris was responding to when he came up with his revenue festival. But just looking at the payroll right now. Even after signing in Strasbourg there at a projected payroll of one hundred sixty six million according to roster resource at fan grass and that means they could theoretically sign reknowned for say thirty five million a year and be below the competitive bounce tax threshold still pending other moves that they might make but the team has been around the two hundred million dollar level in payroll the past couple of years rendent Strasbourg were making combined. More than fifty million this year. So it's not as if they're getting enormous raises really so I don't really see especially given the world series revenue boost. Why they couldn't afford to bring both those guys back exo? Maybe learner was just negotiating and trying to set expectations low or maybe he actually meant it but if they don't bring background donut it seems it would be more a case of just not wanting to spend the money than not being able to spend speaking of quotes that you can interpret a little bit differently now that this contract contract is done. It was exactly one day earlier that the report leaked that the Yankees had offered Garrett call seven years in two hundred and forty five million dollars which is is the exact same deal that Strasbourg got an of course. Scott Boras is both of those people's agent and presumably. Had a pretty good idea that Stephen Strasburg was about to sign a deal for something like seven years in something like two hundred and forty five million dollars in the Garrett Cole would end up signing something for much much more and so I've been thinking about who who leaked this us and what they were trying to get out of it and so you have basically two possibilities either the Yankees leak debt. Because they wanted to be you know caught trying and they want into maybe create a an anchor around that number seven to forty five and in that case it's sort of hysterical thinking that they were just so unaware of what was coming that they actually thought like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA leak seven to forty five and look like really aggressive like twenty four hours later. They just just look like they're seventy five and a half million dollars shy and it's like it's like the scene where like you know. The character doesn't doesn't realize that like the like the monster is like behind them. And then you start a enjoying life or it. Scott Boris who or not necessarily surly. Boris Boris aside. The agency side. That that leap this in which case it's kind of an odd flex like yeah. You know. You're you're sort of like hanging the Yankees out to dry your because you know that the next day you're GonNa just blow that number up and I don't exactly know l.. What Boris would get out of leaking but now he knew if he did leak that I mean if if if he was the source of that I guess the I don't even know if it's right to call these things leaks leaks? This is just part of the bookie button. If he was the source of that he knew probably that the exact numbers were probably coming out the next day for a different different pitcher. It's kind of interesting. Because he knew them both he knew it all. He knows too much for the teams to compete. I know he's cornered the market. I mean they should really write a play about about Scott. Boris representing the top three free agents and in Australia. Yeah so his quote on Weisberg signed and before coal which I sign. Jon Heyman tweet is markets are like flowers the beauty begins from below. So what I don't know I I mean I guess he means like you starting low and growing from there it. It doesn't make any sense anyway. I think he's implying that the numbers are going to get bigger from year and obviously they are so. This is a record contract in terms of total dollars and in terms average annual value. But it's going to be a record contract only until Garrett Cole signs which from the frequency of the rumors flying around might also happened this week. We'll we'll see but this will be a record for probably less time than Bryce Harper's contract was a record before Mike Trout scientists contract but either way a Boris client hits the record but it's funny because Jayson Stark had written on the day Strasburg signs that there might be a two hundred eighty million dollar deal out there for Garrett Cole all and is boggled and we thought wow two hundred eighty million now that looks like the absolute floor. Because I mean Cole is more than two years a younger than Strasbourg. Strasbourg at seven years. You could imagine coal getting nine years but even if he gets eight I mean he'll obviously get aid and even if he got eight and the same a V that Strasbourg got. That's eight hundred thirty five that's eighty right there. And that's the absolute minimum that he could possibly get. Now I think and so maybe he goes over the maybe he goes to nine years. Maybe both of those things but seems clear that it's going to be over three hundred and possibly by a margin I saw reference to the I think this was a is might have actually been Jayson stark writing this but a reference to the now the race for the the chase for call and how you know the the Yankees will put their best offer forward in the angels will see if they can like hang with the Yankees. And the dodgers will try to think in creatively and I That you know hearkens back to the bryce Harper thing last year where they weren't going to give Bryce harper thirteen years and three hundred million dollars but they were we're willing to break tradition and give him a four year deal with much much higher average annual value and. I'm just wondering what the equivalent would be. I wonder what the dodgers creative option would be. I wonder what is what what is left for creativity on contracts. I would like to see teams. Get more creative. I would like it to be so there to be. Ah Yeah well no no please no swell on so I would like to see a lot of different shapes of contracts so that you aren't simply going well is that number bigger than the when I was thinking of like I liked the chase. Utley deal a few years ago where there were like three vesting options and one was a club option and then the next next was a player option than the next was a club option. But only if the player hadn't exercised its option. And you had three hundred plate appearances or something and you just stared at it for like doc forty minutes trying to figure out who who want. Who who is benefiting from each clause and I like those deals for variety sake all right so that Strasbourg couple? Quick things wanted to mention. Also I don't know if you saw Fabian tweet. Joe Madden said that he would consider or dropping the D. H. on days that Shohei Ohtani pitches next season which means there's a possibility that Otani will be a true two way player and and that would be fun for us. Obviously if Otani hits on the days that he pitches which seemed like it would probably be an impossibility once he signed with the Al Not at least in Non Interleague Games. And I don't know whether this is smart or not. It would probably take some math and projections to figure out because because obviously it depends partly on how deep you think Otani could go into games. And how good do you think he will be. And he's coming off. Tommy John Surgery and it's it's it's hard to say like he's not going to be a workhorse. So will he go deep enough into games to make this worth it because once he has pulled from the game. If you don't have at the age then you're our relief. pitchers have to hit and that might hurt you more than Otani helps you so especially especially because the days that Otani goes deep are the days that you need the least offense in the days rid of tawny goes out. That has to leave early. And you're we're going to be going through a maybe a bunch of pinch hitters. Those are the days that you're probably trailing in need to catch up and actually need the offense a lot more And might need to stretch your relievers. There's more which would mean not wanting to pinch hit for them and take them out of the game. Yeah and obviously it depends on. What does this increase the stress on? Otani I don't think ah it would in a market way but of course I don't really know and madden also said something to the effect of. He doesn't want to treat his players like they're made made of China or something like he he wants to use them and to encouraging at least that It certainly seems like he's not thinking about unto weighing Otani Johnny this. I don't know that this is a recommended move but I kind of hope it happens. It also may be dependent on like what do the angels actually have. Any the other starting pitchers next year do they sign Garrett Cole or someone because if they don't then they're gonNA be piecing together a ton of innings with their bullpen and then they might wanna use roster spots on bullpen pitchers instead of a pinch hitter. 'cause you need a good pinch hitter to make this work probably and maybe A. B. That's more feasible because you have the twenty six pastor spot next season so you could carry that dedicated pinch hitter. Who's kind of been retired and phased out of the game and could come back but again the angels just got through this past season throwing I think many more earnings from their pen than their rotation? So if they're going to try to do thanks again then they may just have to stockpile relief pitchers. Yeah and the dedicated Pinch hitter that you have if you had one if you had a good pinch hitter if the investment in a a player who was able to hit but not feel because he was older whatever you don't have a D. H. Spot Forum most days because now Shohei Otani is your d. h. and also is batting when he pitches and so it would really be somebody who would only pinch hit. Presumably if you're good better Yep Yep all right so we will see if that actually pans out just saw some breaking news that the draft next year is moving from New Jersey to Omaha which is something that was floated this past year. But it didn't seem like it would necessarily be a permanent thing. I think that's kind of cool. Don't have much to say about it but it's nice because it might mean that more of the players will actually actually show up and there will be a live audience at the event and it will have some energy as opposed to an MLB network studio in Secaucus where almost no one shows up. And it's not really scintillating TV. So I think that's a positive and the last thing is that Marvin Miller and Ted Simmons were collected to the hall of fame by the Modern Baseball. Eric Midi. Jj Fee. And I talked about the Marvin Miller question on a recent episode. I'd say you can go back and listen to that. The quandary is that Miller said while he was still alive that he did not want to be inducted and now he has been Jay thought and I tend to think I think that it probably does more good than harm to put him in even though it was against his wishes and even though it's so overdue and belated that it's almost comical that it took this long and it only took this long because of cowardice in resistance to Miller among people on the committee and maybe not wanting to to be there to give a speech and now it's like well he won't show up at the induction ceremony and excoriate anyone so they'll put him in now which It's not the time that they should have put him in. But he's just been so important baseball but I think at museum about baseball should have a plaque for Marvin Miller and hopefully it brings more attention to what he's done. The Ted Simmons thing. I think Simmons's deserving think he sort of on the lower end of deserving but but deserving and it's interesting that he credited sabermetrics people for getting him in 'cause he's not necessarily the the number one cause of sabermetrics people but I guess the numbers have helped him a bit what continues to confound to me is the people who don't get in and the vote totals for other other people so Simmons and Miller got thirteen votes and twelve votes respectively. You needed twelve of the sixteen to get in. Then you have Dwight Evans with eight. Dave Parker with seven Steve Garvey with six and Lou whittaker with six and it just it seems very inconsistent. Like I don't know that Simmons is better than Dwight Evans. I don't think he is. It makes no sense that they parker and Steve. Garvey got more votes or as many votes as Lou. Whitaker Ludicrous such a clearly deserving hall of Famer famer that I don't understand how Simmons gets in and whitaker dozen was. It's just kind of the people on this very small committee just tap into like him better or or have seen him play more have relationships with them or or whatever it is so. It's disappointing that those people did not get in but good that a couple of people did who was the. What was the voting body? This this time it was executive so Sandy Alderson. David glass the former royals owner. Walt jocketty DOC ID Doug Melvin and Terry Ryan and then some media historians Bill Center. Steve Hurt Jack. O'CONNELL Tracy wrinkles be and then some hall of fame players George Brett Rod crew. Dennis Eckersley Eddie. Murray Robin Yount. So kind of a mix. Yeah it is odd. I mean feel like Ted Simmons has been one of the names you hear about is a is a snub for a long time but But not I don't know kind of I don't know if not not fallen out of fashion. But he was not at the top of the list. WHO's not one of the first four or five names that you heard and so it is? It isn't would be interesting to find out what the rationale is for all these. If Ted Simmons is in for any reasons that you and I would agree with or if the fact that Steve Garvey gets more than Lou Whitaker suggest that this is just That they have a completely different process for deciding these things and it just so happened to sweep up. Ted Simmons this time and Herald openings last time and yes and not Lou Whitaker and but some but also not a bunch of other leaders. Who shouldn't be in there? Yeah Yeah Anyway. No no Baines. Is this time so guess we take what we can get. So this is chase up these deal from Chase at least new deal is worth twenty seven million dollars but if he stays healthy it can max out at seventy five million dollars. Received three vesting options each worth fifteen million dollars on top of to guarantee years each of his options invested five hundred on her plate appearances. Okay so that all seems fairly simple but then it gets a little more complicated when you spell it out ugly will receive fifteen million dollars. Guaranteed in two thousand fourteen and ten million in two thousand fifteen. It's already kind of odd. Because he's now getting more money upfront which is not very common but he did he can also earn an additional no five million in two thousand fifteen if he is not on the DL for more than fifteen days with a specified in the condition. The contract also includes a two million dollar buyout buyout and a full. No trade clause formula for his best thing options is straightforward. He needs to reach five hundred plate appearances. In Twenty fifteen guarantee himself. A fifty million dollar salary and sixteen ECKSTEEN. The same math applies in sixteen and seventeen if he falls short of five hundred plate appearances. In any of those seasons his option would then revert to a conditional club option and the value of those options would range from five million to eleven million depending on how many days he spent on the disabled list the previous season so well you need a whole podcast to break that down. Yeah my head is spinning. We did a podcast to Barack Obama's eight thousand thirteen. All right. I I just saw also that MLB will no longer be testing minor leaguers for marijuana use which is good and sensible. That's always been one of these weird things where minor leaguers were not in the union so they were subject to tests and suspensions whereas major leaguers were not so. What does that mean that? They're not testing is it. Is it still just not bent. No it's not been substance. So the even circumstantial evidence or like being like like they just a non on issue. Now I think so yes. It's part of the program for testing for opioids which will be more of a treatment program than a punishment program which also seems good. Okay all right so I brought a topic. I was not anticipating that we would have a Strasbourg signing to talk about beforehand so we may get get through half of this. I guess and maybe we can finish the second half next time. Must there's a million more signings to talk about. But I was recently sent a copy. Be of the new bill. James Handbook which comes out every year round this time and it is mostly a reference book it is stuffed with stats on the league in every player defensive pensive stats pitching stats every sort of stat. Really many of which you can find online but not all of them and it's also kind of Nice to have a hard copy because you can just flip through it and see things that you wouldn't have known to look for anyway. It is not entirely a reference book. It also has some essays every year and bill. James always writes a few things for and he wrote a quite lengthy essay for this edition of the book which he calls the aesthetic issues or fifty ways to stop baseball from being swallowed swallowed up by home runs and strikeouts so it is Essentially a list of ways to fix baseball's aesthetic problems. It is not actually fifty waist is thirty waste because he ran out of ways at thirty but kept the title at fifty and no. There's an editor's note that says Well he read out of steam so he doesn't get the fifty you know. Here's my aesthetic fix fix for baseball. You only play six innings and at the end you say it was nine. Yeah well he talks about the the shortening baseball games thing so anyway he He weighs this out. I'll read a couple of quick passages. Basically he says baseball has economic economic problems and aesthetic problems and the economic problems are probably far more serious and also intractable but the aesthetic issues which are maybe not a serious. Chris are more easily solved and that is what he is trying to do here so he says I am not saying that. Baseball is currently selling an ugly game or an aesthetically unpleasing game. I will leave that up to you. You can like the matter game you can hate it. It's your call. The essence of the aesthetic problem is this that has baseball players have gotten to be bigger stronger and better trained to very narrow. Athletic skills have threatened to crowd out of the game. A wider range of athletic attributes says obviously nothing that we haven't discussed on the show. He he continues. Historically the essence of baseball has been the contest between fielder and base runner. A strikeout historically was the relatively rare event in which a batter failed so so completely that he was unable even to create the contest between fielder and base runner. The home run was the relatively rare event in which a better succeeded so completely that he denied the fielder. Are there any chance to make the play overtime. However both strikeouts and home runs have been increasing in frequency for one hundred years? The marginal events have been becoming more common and the central events have been getting less common and less important so this is mostly about home runs and strikeouts in the ways that they are increasing in their highest rates. It's ever but he also tackles the time of game in the pace of play and the fact that games are longer than ever to so he says that up until about Nineteen fifteen fifteen baseball regularly adjusted. Its rules to fix problems like this. But he says that at some point it seems like he's saying maybe in the late seventies Zor so by that time. The problem arose the idiotic self-destructive idea had taken hold. That baseball was a perfect game in which the rules never needed to be adjusted for new new realities. This paralyzed the game for forty years which frankly pitch baseball into a death spiral. We've just begun to escape that paralysis and try to fight to save the game and then his last point essentially is that. This isn't as hard as people think it is people adopt radical and harmful solutions to problems. stuff like cutting the Games to seven innings or going to three balls for a walk into first strikeout or banning defensive shifts because they don't see that there are transparent noninvasive ways ways to address the same issues. Let's try a scalpel before we bring out the bones us. Oh He's not saying that we should do all thirty of these things at once. But he's saying that individually speaking he approves of these thirty suggestions so I'm just going to go through them and You can give me A. Ah Yes no and where relevant I will mention anything that he points out to to clarify. What exactly is suggesting? So he starts with the the pace of play length of game stuff and he says the big problems are better stepping out of the box between every pitch and unnecessary and constant pitching changes so his first suggestions are one prohibit players from stepping out of the batter's box after the at bat has begun. I should say some of these are things that have been discussed ad nauseam. Some of them are what no one's ever said that before. This is wild so it really runs the gamut so number one stepping out of the box. He can't do it after the has begun or number to limit the number of times that a better can step out of the batter's box after stepping into the batter's box to let's say one per team per inning thing and he says this is more of an umpiring policy change than a rule change. Because you're not really supposed to do these things and it's just a pious let let players get away with it and so if they stopped granting timeouts that would essentially fix the problem my feeling I had this conversation recently. I and it's fine. Yeah sure sure I would not be opposed to it but my feeling is that batteries. Don't step out of the box very often. It's a very small part of it these days I mean most. The delay between pitches is driven by the pitchers. And I find that there's very little batter driven pace still in the game so I don't know if I don't know if I'm wrong. I don't know if your senses that that I'm wrong about that but I would consider this to be fine but not really much of a fix like ten years too late because for the most part the there are already restrictions on when you can step out and most batters don't don't do it they go to the back corner of the box and they take breath and then they get right back in there. Yeah I do you think that the pitcher is a bigger problem and he acknowledges in here. Sometimes that some of these rule changes would not really directly address the problem or or would not fix fix the problem on its own that it's just something that should be on the books and might help a little and and wouldn't hurt so his whole purpose here is basically to Intervene without making it very obvious and obtrusive that these are things preferably that fan might not even notice from the stands this but they will work their magic and have some effect so now. He's talking about pitching changes and he acknowledges the rule that seems to be coming for twenty twenty. The pitcher has to face three batters. Finish the INNING. He says he likes that. It's good it will help. But let's see how much so his suggestion here or one of his suggestions as a team may make as many pitching changes as they want in a game between innings also any pitcher may be taken out of the game at any time after he has been charged with a run allowed in this inning. Beyond those two situations a team may remove a pitcher from the game in mid inning without a penalty. Once a game and only once. You've only got one free shot to remove a pitcher who has not given up a run in the sending from the mound in the middle of the inning and then to enforce that there would be a penalty of some sort. He suggests that maybe just assessing a ball would be enough to do it because often you're bringing in a pitcher to get the tune advantage and maybe giving the batter. A ball would indicate that but he says he'd favor an even stronger. Penalty is that the next hitter takes first base and that all runners who are on bass move up a base. Boy It is a problem. It's not a problem that it happens but if you have a problem with the pace of the game that is like a huge part of it and the fact that those pitching changes come at the most exciting moment and that they take us away into the land of like car commercials and it does kill the momentum. I think it would be my ideal would be that there would be no warm ups and that you could get the pitching change done in a minute and twenty seconds and I'd You have to leave the field of play because then I feel like the tension would be potentially be ratcheted up as you're waiting but not my call them. It's not my fifty ideas I do. I like limiting pitching changes mid inning to one per game not particularly. I don't like one per game. Things generally only speaking. Yeah feels like you're you're imposing that constraints in kind of heavy handed way like that. Does that different to me from now. It's three balls and two who strikes or heart seven innings of. It's less less extreme but philosophically speaking it seems sort of along those lines. I would like it more if it were none per game than one per game game. Yeah but no. You don't WanNa have pitchers left out there. I mean I I like that pitchers can have I personally. Like pitchers can have very specific roles. I feel like they ended up having well defined careers as as a particular type of of journeyman laborer like there. I think that's a I was you you guys Was this podcast here that we were talking about the GIG economy and how relievers or the GIG economy so well. I thought that was an interesting using idea. But I think of relievers as being the different people on a construction crew and You know each one has their own craft their own skill that they spent years honing and Making every pitcher have to get through an inning is not quite my cup not it will be. Yeah I'm fascinated to see what happens to do. Some of the Lougee is and Louie's have kind of gone away but there are still some who are more lougee like than others. I think. Susan's lesser recently reported. Noted that the as were not going to bring back Ryan butter even though ran buckner has been quite good because he has been one of the pitchers who would be most most affected by the new role about the length of adding so there will be. Some classic pitchers presumably who will be sitting on the sidelines next season because of this rule directly so all right considering or continuing here we have more to number four so four five and and six and seven. These are all kind of rapid fire in that same vein so limited team to using three pitchers in the first nine innings of a game. That's number four. Four or number five limited team to eleven pitchers on a roster or number six limit. The number of pitchers who can be used in a series so maximum of seven seven pitchers in a three-game series pitchers in a four-game series. Let's say with an increase of one for each four extra innings of their extra innings and then his seventh one is to prohibit any pitcher from pitching in consecutive games period. Yeah that's that's a strong one so all right I. I'M GONNA go back on whatever I just said about construction. Crews I like the three per game okay per nine innings to me. That's a nice number and it seems like it would have a good limiting effect and yet in it would you. I like counting pitches. I'm really into counting pitches and it would force you to count pitches ages. I also I do like the number of pitchers per series because I I like the idea that what you do in one game can have some benefit or or harm for your next game. I like all sorts of things where the result of one game has some some carryover effect ripple effect on the nature of. Yeah so I like that. If I were to do that I would say unlimited pitchers extra innings extra innings is the no limits. Do whatever you want. So you'd still only get your seven and three games or whatever ever in the first nine innings but you can have as many as you want an extra innings back to back games feels a little too. I Dunno feels like a little league rule to me feels like it. It feels like you're protecting feels more like a move to protect pitchers than than not then to To regulate them regulate their use it and a and. I don't think that it's necessary to protect them. I don't think that's what Bill James's suggesting it would be four but I think that's what it would be seen as than the last one was limiting to a certain. A number of pitchers on a roster seems fine to me to do that. Yeah I'd probably would be in favor of it. I don't know what the ramifications on a on otani would be with that right. Well there's already. That's a consideration for next year right that you have to designate Two Way Player and player has to qualify for two way status in certain in West. So that's that you couldn't use a two way player as one of your eleven because disadvantage and yet if you allowed If you allowed extra pitchers if they were two way players you might see all sorts of chicanery where you know you start seeing pitchers who are put at second base for one game a month to get qualification to weigh status or something like that so it seems like it can be tricky to have clear definitions of who pitchers are aright number. Eight is also an attempt to reduce pitching changes. So if a pinch hitter is announced and the other team brings in a different pitcher. The team at Bat may withdraw the Pinch hitter and may use him later in the game in other words being announced as the pinch hitter does not mean that he is in the game does not mean that the other player has been replaced it merely signals and intention to put the other player in the game. He's not actually in the game until you throw him a pitch and then thinking there is that managers. I would bring in as many pictures because they wouldn't be getting. They couldn't much benefit out of it can guarantee the platoon advantage. Because you could just Wealthy you could pull back the the pinch-hitter that you had announced right and so the defense would say well if I bring in a reliever here they're just gonNa pull him back anyway and unlike the current situation where I know that they can pinch pinch hitter. I'm not even making them. Burn Two batters soviet-backed. I'm making them burn. No batters I don't have a good feel for how this would play Out It seems. I don't think you should be able to announce a players in the game and then take him out of the yeah. I like the idea that in baseball you can be in the game without actually appearing your. Yeah I don't think I do but we did US tap last. I think I might have done an article on pinch hitting the Chitter and yeah the idea that you can show up get stretch you can stretch and as you work up a sweat and all that so that you can be a professional athlete and your job. That day is to be announced and then leave I like that. Yeah you appeared. You did a game. I don't I don't want him to be back. Okay all right number nine. He wants to start enforcing the rule that the pitcher pitcher is supposed to have his foot on the rubber when he delivers the pitch. Because he says there's been a a creep here where people used to talk about pitcher's throwing a fifty nine foot fastball which was considered cheating. Now it's a fifty seven foot fastball. And he thinks this is a part of the cause for the increase in strikeouts. This rule rule five point. Oh seven that he says routinely being ignored and the explains that. It's easy to see why it's being ignored because you can just go bit by bit by bit and it's it's very difficult for an empire to see and call in the moment and so you get away with a little bit and you can keep going a little bit more and more each time and so he suggests that to enforce this in the least intrusive way possible you could have say special empires maybe replay Umpires who look at the video radio. The Games after the fact and they see which in slow motion were illegal and track that data and publish it. And so if there's A pitcher who is a repeat repeat offender and he's always not touching the rubber than you can warn them find them suspend them etc or you could allow a protest asked during a game so say want to game after a strikeout. The manager could protest that the pitch was illegal and you could review the tape and find that he wasn't touching the rubber and you give him a do over basically and so that would be a pretty effective deterrent. In theory of the fifty. Seven foot fastball. Can you throw throw a pitch and stay on the rubber. I assume so rate I mean are any of them doing it well at this point I don't know that anyone is And so we would be turning everybody into nineteen thirties pitcher basically which I mean I get it because you've I've got guys throwing harder than ever and they're bigger than ever and so they're already getting that pitch on top hitter's sooner so there's a benefit there. I don't have a problem with pitcher's throwing the way they throw. It's not clear to me. It's not obvious to me that this is as pervasive as games as saying like. I don't doubt that it is but it's just something that I haven't relief noticed and so it's it's hard for me to say that it's imperative that we ban it immediately but I am generally in favour of getting hitters a chance to make contact and if that comes from keeping pitchers on the rub against that like it wouldn't necessarily affect affect what they're doing that much I mean. You could just couldn't use stark from further back or something like you wouldn't necessarily have to completely Redo do your delivery. I don't think so. I'm this is a new concept to me so I'm just GONNA. This is pretty new to me too. The idea is that when a pitcher a modern pitcher pitches he throws he. You know he he's he's leaping off the mound. Basically we're not talking about we're not talking about Jordan Walden here. There's no skip knowing on. There's no like double staff or anything like that. It's just that in the process of of Sh- firing their body toward the mound. They come off a toward the the plate. They come off the rubber before the ball has technically left their fingertips That they've kind of slid away from the mound so they start on the mound. They do their stretch. They a they push off the mound and as they're pushing off the mound their foot comes out of contact with the mound before the ball has left eye fingertips and presumably almost every pitcher pitcher. Almost every pitch. Yeah so. I'm looking at the comment. To rule. Five point seven eight. It says in the wind up position pitcher is permitted to have his free foot on the rubber rubber in front of the rubber behind the rubber or off the side of the rubber from the wind up position. The pitcher may deliver the ball to the batter or step in third base. disengage the runner if he does he must dropped his hand to his side in disengaging. The rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot. I or else. It's Bach that so yes I think that what you're saying is what James is saying and do you think that the reason that this change appeals to him is because there's already a rule in the book and so it's easy to say. Well there is a rule so just enforce it or do you think of there was no such rule that we would have an entry for. Make a rule rule that you have to stay on the rubber. Yeah what you'd have to have that rule writer Asuka just deliver the pitch from wherever you wanted right you. You could say that you have to be on the rubber when you begin your when you make your move toward the plate. Yeah I guess so. I think that the fact that there's already a rule appeals to him. Yes But we could just as easily solve that by taking out the rule true yes ago. That wouldn't solve the problem. It wouldn't solve the problem but it's the question I'm trying to figure out whether this is like a a question of taking the rulebook more literally and it just bothers him that there's an uninformed rule or if this is simply one of his mother by the Effect Act. I think that the effect is to handicap pitchers in some way to to restrain while the intended effect to handicap pitchers. But what's happening is it captain hitters right and so we're trying to come up with a way to handicapped pitchers and keep them from throwing with full effort as they do these days and I would say that I don't have a problem problem with them throwing through full effort and if we just want to put a some sort of restriction on them that limits their ability to pitch well. I think that I would have others that I like more. Well I think I like this next one more. We've talked about this plenty but moved the mound back but James's suggestion is that you just move the mound back three inches. Because he says that any more than that would potentially be really disruptive he says there's been some talk of moving the bound back by two feet. Whoever suggested that has probably never played baseball and he says his reason for that is pitcher? Spent fifteen years learning to make a slider break at just the right moment so that it it breaks across the plate if you move them back two feet every breaking pitches horribly off target. And you can't just fix that spring training which not a pitcher so I don't they feel qualified to necessarily weigh in on this but does that sound right to you. I mean once he released the pitch. Aren't you just trying to get it to break. I mean you can't necessarily make it break such that it starts breaking or stops breaking at a certain time like once you release it you can't impart any force any spin on it anymore. So in many cases. Aren't you just trying to make it break as much as possible and obviously like you. You don't want it to be way out of the strike zone so you have to kind of calibrate where you're aiming and where it's GonNa break. But if he moved it back farther. Obviously it's going to mess with your control just inevitably probably because you're farther away but the calibrating the break so that it breaks at just the right time is something that I hadn't thought of at length. In general I agree with them. Like what. Start with just a small move back and see what happens. And he says if three inches doesn't do anything then we'll get back another three inches so I might say six inches just because it's already a six inch interval away which is just sorta strange so just make it a whole number but I I'm on board with the principle of the thing I think as you keep the mound where it is but move the plate back. Yeah okay. I'm fine with that too. All right put next one eleven if a starting pitcher is removed from the game before pitching five innings and before allowing four runs to score that pitcher is ineligible the pitch again for eight days. Wait a minute if he doesn't say it again if he is removed from the game before pitching five innings and before allowing four runs since he's ineligible pick for eight days. This is just simply coming up with like anti opener. Yeah okay so the rule is everybody has to be able to pitch deep in the Games and that has to be the default unless you get unless you get blown out. So we're not gonNA make you throw two hundred and seventy pitches trying to get Out of the fifth but you cannot as a strategy be expected only three innings right and his point is Basically he says in Bold Italic Alex Baseball should be played in the way that fans most liked to see it played and he agrees with things that we've talked about on this. podcast I've written about openers are are not as fun or or at least bullpen games or not as fun that I like the starting pitcher. It's nice to have that narrative protagonist. WHO's the game the whole time? And you're looking at the pitch counts you of the pitch count so he is saying that on the one hand it's nice to allow innovation and he says that he's generally against any rule that attempts to change baseball but I'm often in favor of rules that prevent changes to the game and this is a change that he doesn't doesn't like and he believes that most people don't like and so he says We don't actually have to let people do it so we have always followed the policy. He says that that if managers figure out a more effective way to do something and it changes the game we allow that change to take place and changes have in fact happened for one hundred fifty years. That's fine except when it isn't this is a case when it isn't and he says that it forces the sport to sell an annuity essentially because you just have interchangeable bullpen arms coming and going and not as much focus on the stars and players. You know it would be more of an issue in a future. World aware as pitchers aren't still used as more or less the way that they are. If if it got to the point where where even even Max Scherzer was only throwing three innings and they might come in the fifth inning or something Then I think that would be true but as it is now the pitchers that are only going for innings are not I. I don't feel like they're the pictures that you're paying hang to see any way In while it's truth there might be some aesthetic deficiency there That you've picked up on. He's picked up on. I don't think it's enough to merit stepping in and changing changing. How managers do this? I would come up with a better solution to this problem. A more organic to me solution less chase at least three vesting years options seeming solution and I think he already with the three three pitchers in a game. uh-huh yeah I struggle with the philosophically speaking because on the one hand it's an entertainment product and you should probably intervenes to make the product entertaining. If if it starts not to be on the other hand I really do value innovation and strategy and tactics and coming up with ways to sort of bend. The rules succeed within the rules but in a novel way and I think we generally agree on that I mean we briefly became obsessed with the strategy rate with removing pitcher mid at Bat to get an advantage and it's hard to argue that after the initial intrigue that generate that would actually be good for are the entertainment value of the game because if anything if it worked then it would just mean more strikeouts and overmatched hitters and more pitching changes and none of that would be fun and and yet. I am intrigued by the idea. Because no one's ever done it before an actually help and so those two desires are kind of worrying within me to encourage teams to try new things and find advantages and then to reward them if they do and yet now. We're at a point where you can argue that teams that have found. Those advantages are actually now making the game less entertaining. So I don't know where the balances there where you still allow innovation but it also hacked to make sure that baseball still fun for spectators because that is the more important thing. Yeah I just I don't think there are one hundred and fifty interesting starting pitchers in in the world and no that's true there's really only about I don't know somewhere between maybe eighteen and thirty five that you even notice really when you're when you're thinking about whether watch game and so I just don't feel like it's that big of a loss as it is now and I personally really like relievers to me really are a interesting part of how I consume the game and I like like multi inning relief since a lot too and so I personally do not see a huge need but I definitely allowed it within a few years could be more appealing to me. All right number twelve. He again is trying to focus on known players and stop the roster churn and there have been some some rules that have already been enacted to try to do this like increasing the amount of time that a player has to stay in the minors after. He's optioned so that you can't just constantly cycle through through people but his role suggestion limit each team to one roster move a week except that perhaps three times during the year a team can use a free roster move move. If you get two players actually hurt in the same game you can use your free move to deal with that. Otherwise you've got one move a week and let's say that you you can save your move for one week only so that if a team does not make any roster move in one week they can make to the next. Here's an idea. I think that you should everybody should be allowed to. I use the Carpool Lane once a month when they really need it whether they have anybody in their car with them or not and so. I think that the way that you do it so that you don't have basically people. I'm trying to get away with it every day until the one day when they're caught and then they go out. It's my one day you just when you need to use the carpooling. 'cause you're really late to pick somebody up and and you know this. Your work kept you there and like you kinda desperate and there's no other way around the traffic except this is you just call you. Call a number and you register. Are Your driver's license. And for the next say one hundred twenty minutes or so you have free access to the Carpool Lane. Whether you have anybody in it or not and I feel like there's uh it's great that the Carpool Lane incentivizes carpooling. And it's great that it gives a benefit to people who have multiple people in the car. There's sort of a way in which Mitch that in increases the greater happiness in the world. I like that but the people who really really really need it the most I feel like they deserve a lane once a month. You should clear it out. I mean people really need to get places sometimes. Yeah sure and just think what a blessing it would be to to once a month. No that you you can. Probably what would happen is like the last day of the month everybody had who had an unused carpooled day. Would all crowd the thing. Yeah yeah all right one roster move a week with a couple of extras thrown in there and you can save one. Yep So if you get a couple of people hurt. Your aren't powerless to do something about it. I think that I think we just after live with with churn with the roster turn. I think it's probably a bad idea to tell teams when player Kanner or should or shouldn't be in the majors and there's a fairness problem with player compensation. It's probably something that should be collectively bargained gained in probably best handled that way. If it's just about wanting to have a Like again the the players that would be affected by limiting roster. Churn are not the players that most fans are learning the names of anyway you know. We're we're already talking about the twenty eighth the player on the roster right and. I don't think that you're gonNA like all of a sudden have baseball players in Nike commercials. Because you've you've kept the teams from doing twenty twenty six man roster moves all right. Let's do two more number. Thirteen is limit throws to first base by pitchers. Now he says that his yes Ben. His actual preference is to eliminate the balk rule. And replace it with something better. Now I don't doesn't specify okay. Well I have a hard time arguing afraid but I don't think I think if you eliminated the bok move than you would actually have a much slower game because pitchers would be doing all sorts of complicated deception. That would take a long time. So I don't think you can remove the balk rule and things. But he wants to limit it to to to throws to first base per better. If you make a third unsuccessful throw than the base runner automatically advances. Yeah and you're basically limiting into one B Because the second one would be almost well I was gonna say almost an automatic stolen base except we all watched John Lester for the last few years but basically pitchers would not use their second one very often and so you would have essentially one to to throw over and I like that a lot. I think that's a fantastic one. I think that the tension of knowing that a pitcher was out of throws or maybe had one left and decide I feel like would add a nice element of of interest. It's already kind of interesting when you're watching that split screen to see whether the batter runner is going to go but when you throw in limits on pitch counts. I feel like any time based runner is on that can steal. It becomes a very very detailed chess match to watch. Yeah and this would theoretically may be increased space stealing a little bit. Which would be nice? Because it's kind of at a low ebb right now and I mean he talks about it as if this is a a huge problem like people throwing throwing over fifteen times or something which I don't think it is there. Aren't that many really clearing examples that I see where the game just totally stops because someone stowing Over and over again but it does happen. It happens from time to time and it should probably never happen. And she says that it's just an oversight that they I would have put a role in the books to prevent this if they had thought that it would be a problem. Thank you would have people throwing over that many times and that it just didn't happen urban and it makes sense because like even just to prevent the theoretical possibility of someone stopping the game entirely by throwing over indefinitely elite. Which obviously doesn't happen for societal reasons like you don't want to be the person who stopped the game and did that and everyone would hate you but but it still just to get rid of that? Loophole I guess that you could make a game infinite by throwing over forever you could also have it be that you get one Freebie and and then everyone after that is a ball because his now it is it is considered a throw that is not in the strike zone so it counts as a ball I think the other thing the beneficial thing of this is I think you're right that it would increase stolen bases a ton I think it would increase pickoffs. Paradoxically I think there'd be a lot more pickoffs for one reason because there'd be a lot more base dealing and we're another because you would have baserunners who thought well the pitchers out of throws or. Maybe he only has one left and he's not coming over here and they would be a little bit more aggressive and so yeah all right. Didn't Jeff didn't Jeff right in Article One time about. Yes it was Bruce Chen Chan there. You Go. That's one of my favorites. Yeah so good. How Avenue throws was that? That was a lot ten thousand dollars to it ten times and the last one for today this. This is In the same vein to prohibit the pitcher from thirty in the first base unless the runner off of I actually has at least a six foot lead is fi. You see it all the time. The pitcher just isn't quite ready to pitch so he throws the first even though. The runner has no lead and as no threat to steal. It's annoying another thing you could do would be to draw a little line. Six feet off. First base as long as the base runner keeps one foot on the first base side of that line. He's absolutely safe because the pitcher can't third a I if he doesn't cross that line again. It's almost invisible rule to the fans apart from the Little Hash mark because the pitcher would almost never throat I when he was not allowed to. And you never give a thought to what it doesn't happen. Are there many attempts where they're only six feet out. I mean I'm getting hung up on the number six here I could have written eight and then I would have argument but yeah yeah well I mean you do see just lazy throws over where you're not even trying to pick the guy off and it's just like reminding him that you were physically capable through over there so many. How many do you really see? We watch a lot of baseball and we see maybe like thirty a year in common but I I. I don't know how many of those the runner is actually within six feet of the bag because he might still be taking a decently it so well one problem with having any the number of feet unless you have that Hash mark that he suggests that will how. You're going to know that it's six feet in that moment. Not Five feet eleven inches or something so unless you have like that real time stat. Cast thing that's telling you how far the guy is off the base and that would be tough but you could put a little mark and just say well if he's not actually seemingly making an attempt to steal a base than why would you throw over so don't waste everyone's time yeah I would say hey that I don't need this role but it'd be fine. That'd be fine. It's fine I I think I think you're talking about twenty seconds like one every three like fourteen games yes probably and if you just put in the the limit on throwing over then that would take care of it by itself. Yeah all right. So the the last sixteen of the czar more offense oriented and more related to the strike outs and homers than pay play. So I think they're probably a little more compelling so we will get to that next time and whatever moves have happened than maybe some emails. We will see how the winter meetings proceed. All right. 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Closing Strong

"Crude. Oil is crude natural gas is pure. That's why Pennzoil's based. Oil is made from natural gas not crowed gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for aware test using SA Five W. Thirty. Pardon the interruption but I'm Mike. Wilbon it's a holiday Tony, but we still have to work. I'm Tony Kornheiser on the bright side. There was no traffic on my way to the attic. I bet not what are we about? Maybe Day a hundred fifty in your attic I mean it's been a what. It is a long time I stopped. You know what? I stopped doing the cows. Used to give me sort of feel like this is where we are from the young. Boys and girls in today's episode, the chiefs go down Alex. Smith goes in and that Prescott does out but we begin today with the Lakers winning the NBA Championship in a non-competitive game with Miami, the Lakers were up by twenty early in the second quarter and at one point in the third quarter lead by thirty six, it was an easy game to turn off but it is the fourth title, Lebron James and his fourth finals MVP for three different franchises now so we'll bond what does this title meaningful Lebron for the Lakers. Tony it adds to lebrons greatness. It just adds and I'm not going to get into go talk tired of it. I think it's just sort of lazy and default position to get into the Brown James Greatest player planned today and he's the greatest player who's been playing for the last decade if not more and so what he's able to do with the team and he's able to do with mind and body at thirty five years. Old Spectacular. He's in control of the game with his mind and his body is still a peak efficiency perhaps unlike the other. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great players who if they made it to thirty five we're not in peak condition at that time. So it's amazing with he and Anthony Davis and the organization did and what the NBA did by being able to stage these playoffs and reach this championship with no positive tests with no drama. Keeping attention as they wanted to also on social and cultural issues of justice. The whole was sort of amazing but Kudos to Lebron James and Anthony Davis and that team Frank. I'm going to take the position that I've taken since the playoffs began, which was the Lakers were going to win as I. Never Bet against Lebron James this is a legacy title for Lebron James He has done something that nobody else has ever done. He has been the best player on three different franchises in title winning performances. He changed the sport forever when he went to Miami, it's different. It's just never going to be the same. This is incredibly triumphant for him because they missed the playoffs last year and I would say it's a big deal for rob, Pelinka who people criticized because he went and got Anthony Davis and without Anthony Davis I don't know that they win there. So so yeah, big deal for Lebron. I don't know what it means for the Lakers going forward. I don't I really don't well Tony I don't know that it's going to be a lot of upheaval this year given we don't know when the seasons start next February I think as late as March. I don't know how much movement there has to be how people can collect players and change their teams, and if they can't very much the Lakers can tinker with their second five, their bench whatever. But when they got those two to build around when you got Lebron to build around to start off is to favorite they just start. I just to say this one other thing that I think that it actually adds to Kobe Bryant's legacy as well because what Lebron has done in becoming another great great player in that Laker Line that elevates I believe everybody who came before and I'll go back to the Minneapolis Lakers. Mike and West, and Baylor and Kareem, and magic, and Shack, and Colby and Lebron, and each time they win like this everybody goes off a little bit I have. To. Say like that Tony that perhaps you should pay attention to this running on all platforms to speak. Did you topic seventeen championships ties the Boston Celtics ties him? Yeah. I don't I don't watch essays. Last ten years fifty-seven NBA Finals Games. Fifty seven Lebron James has been in fifty one of them. that as something that staggered domination homes. Let's move the Dak, Prescott and his gruesome ankle injury. The cowboys quarterback was carted off just pass halfway through the third quarter after being tackled by Logan Ryan or the giants press got surgery last night and is said to be doing well today with hopeful recovering time table of four to six months the one, the game tone. But where does Prescott injury leave the team and his future? Well I, think the team is in better shape than people might think because Andy Dalton is their backup quarterback Andy Dalton won that game. He went nine for eleven for one hundred eleven yards the two passes he threw down the right hand side line late in the game were things of beauty people need to remember. He's just not some guy he took Cincinnati to the playoffs four times now do I think he's a? long-term person in Dallas no I don't I think Dak Prescott is the leader of that team. The most popular person on that team I. Think he comes back but Mike, I think it ends up that he's franchised again he turned down a five year deal worth a hundred million dollars in guarantees to bet on himself I'm sure he'll bet on himself one more time and could be franchised. We'll see how it works out. Yeah. Tony I don't. Care much about where it leaves the cowboys. I'm sorry I don't care about the cowboys I was watching this yesterday live I've tried to reach you immediately because you see this reminds us of some other things and fortunately not. Joe Thighs Alex Smith and it wasn't as serious as that. But it serious reminds me of Mr Hayward the Boston Celtics when you see the toll point at one way and they've sort of blank that out now and him point in a different direction and the leg ninety degrees you just go. God you think about the money in on the topic all summer, which we at times you and I got tired of that going to get his money. WHAT'S HE GONNA sign for and I guess a one point there was one hundred million and guarantee on the table that's not out there anymore. But if they franchise them like you say and I hope though Tony. That would be like whatever he's making now thirty one plus another thirty seven to thirty eight. Seventy million dollars, and maybe it can make you whole down the road and some sort of way. But this is why it's so perilous for ball. It is so dangerous risky if you don't get this, win you. You may not. Let me just point out how terrible again the NFC East is Dallas is on top two and three they should've lost to Owen. Five Atlanta they could lost the Owen five giants Philadelphia's one win Washington as one it's just awful. Awful we. Don't care about it. The two teams that most recently played in the Super Bowl Kansas City and San Francisco both lost yesterday Kansas City was beaten at home by the raiders despite scoring thirty two points. The forty niners also lost at home and lost badly to the Miami Dolphins. That game was thirty, seven at halftime and Jimmy Garoppolo was benched Wilbon which loss was more significant to you. The giants, the giants by far the giants lost to or presumed nine team at home. They lost. To. The forty-ninth, the forty niners lost to a non team Miami on their home field and I know that's not the usual homefield advantage but there is some advantage to that it'd be so no losing to the raiders of your Kansas City these are these are blood rivals and nobody's going to win every time even though each team can have a streak of six or seven games here and there but. No Tony Kansas City wasn't gonNA go undefeated this by all the people who would say on every network including this one that they're going to win every game. They'RE NOT GONNA win every game they were GONNA win every game and the more significant loss is San Francisco's in Jimmy G. and whatever's wrong with him. He wasn't ready to play yesterday and I wonder if they're gonNA, sit him down again. So I I. Agree with you completely on this if I have Patrick mahomes a quarterback I'm feeling good no matter what the last game was I'm feeling good about the next actually the significance may have been for the raiders who may actually be building something because that's a big time win on the road for them. It is that they took their buses. On a victory lap at Arrowhead. The correct answer is San Francisco and let me read you some numbers that are gonNA be frightening. Okay. They have during the biggest and best division in football. 'cause they got Seattle and they've got the rams and they got the cardinals. They've lost three times cardinals eagles in dolphins combined record six, eight, one, the only teams beaten. Ted. I will. Tell you what they got coming up their next seven rams at home at Patriots at seahawks packers at saints at Rams Bills, they could lose their. Don't lose them away hegarty. wanted me seventeen by avid. They haven't beaten the Division One opponent they've beaten a in new. York. That's all right. That's why they're loss is so much more significant. The healers and the browns are both rolling steelers rookie Receiver Chase Klay Pool scored four touchdowns as the steelers beat the eagles to move the foreign. Oh, and the browser now four and one for the first time since one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four after beating the colts in their topped ranked defense. So Tony, which AFC North Team AFC central to me had the most impressive wins Stiller's brownies. So. Good for Clay Pool. Good for him. He may be the next hines ward I have to be honest with you. I was a little surprised at Pittsburgh didn't win more easily and bigger that game was close late in the fourth quarter that was thirty, one, twenty nine that surprised me. So by default, I'm going to say the browns because as you say, the last time they were four one bill belichick was the coach at team. Indianapolis. Comes in and given up fifty six points in four games. The browns hit him for what thirty two after the Brown's got killed. C. I l kill my landlord where if that happened against Baltimore in Game One, six points Mike gear average thirty, eight again I don't trust them and I know you don't trust them but but they've got a big time offense they the big time office. Tony they've score. You know more than thirty points. What does four games four games in a row for? The first time since Jim Brown. As bad as they've been lately, but I will say this. Can you does it make sense to you that the Pittsburgh steelers which have one super bowls plural have not started foreign osas nineteen, seventy, nine, the fourth. So old you can you? Know I. saw that and my first reaction was this. What their? Research error. Had never started four and. The only one I could assume Mike. Is there a bunch of years when Cincinnati was good and a bunch of years now that Baltimore has been good and maybe division schedule precludes from going for no but I was very surprised. Let's take a break coming up. Was it defensible for my Zimmer to pass on a field goal and gopher? No House after ruining the teeth, we'll tell you know watching. Alex Smith, returned to the field for the Washington football team. Freddie Kitchens, not coaching the Browns anymore maybe this new guy knows what he's doing made. Let's hope. Let's. The interruption is presented by Samuel Adams from Boston with love savor the flavor responsibly part of happy. Hour. Hey I'm Andy I'm still not famous but you might remember that I started Harry's because I was tired of overpaying for razors. It always felt like big brands were taking advantage of us every time they improve something back. 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Okay. But if you kick that field goal and no field goals more Gimme than that, then you're going to be up eight. You're going to be at a you can't lose the game in regulation instead Russell Wilson makes two conversions on fourth down and that's why he's the MVP don't tell anybody else you've got is Russell Wilson Right now as a result of that dry that ninety five yard game winning drive last night Zimmer no, no, no. So, it's not defensible. Would you fire them? Maybe Maybe maybe. Maybe. Okay. So Lemme Lemme take the other point of view for a second. When you're on the road, you don't go for the tie you go for the win. If he get that field goal, that's eight that's a potential ties situation. As you said, they have gained two hundred one yards on the ground. Zimmer's a defensive coach. He clearly had no particular respect for Seattle defense at that point, and that's why he went to make the game over to win the game. What is not defensible is Zimmer's defense because as you say Russell Wilson have to maybe downs aren't. And gained thirty nine yards. Russell Wilson said and they didn't even convert the two point place. Seattle didn't once they try what? Anyway. So Minnesota could've still won a game up eight increases your chances to win. How did you feel watching Alex Smith Play Incurs I felt invigorated I. Feel Great. I was so happy to see him out there I have as you know Tony I have really been Alex Smith Fan as we watch his wife and children since college. When I met him when I was in college football and I just thought he was one of the most delightful engaging people I've ever met covering college football and he's been that as a pro and he had this awful awful godawful injury and other people saying don't even do it. You made all the money. You've got this wonderful family you don't need this but I, love seeing him be out there and come back and play those snaps and I don't care how bad the Washington football team is for them. I root for him and I told you I felt okay that was nervous this but I felt invigorated watching him out there. This is interesting because the moment I saw him go in the game in real time I switched off the red zone and I went to the Washington game. I had a I had a different reaction than yours. I was physically terrified for him. I saw his wife and kids in the stands and my heart aches for them. He got sacked six times. Watching up. Every time he went down I thought his leg would break again. I honestly did he kept throwing quicker and shorter he ultimately Mike He completed nine passes for thirty seven yards. said. I'm glad he's physically well. Yeah. Terry was like watching a car wreck very very share semi Alex. Smith Lovell enough female. 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What else I look in the Mirror I. Don't. Even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly, can you really expect others to I'm having a breakthrough it's not easy to be a vampire, but with GEICO, it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance. Pardon the interruption is presented by Samuel Adams from Boston, but love savor the flavor responsibly part of happy hour. Happy. Time People the Fiftieth Birthday Charlie Ward unlike Bo Jackson Dion Sanders. Ward made a decision to play just one sport. He won the Heisman Trophy and the National Championship at Florida State in Nineteen ninety-three. But turned away from football and towards basketball the knicks drafted in late in the first round and ward played eleven seasons in the NBA his numbers were modest six points and four assists a game was six to one, hundred, ninety pounds but the way the NFL has gone with small quick quarterbacks by Russell Wilson to Shawn Watson Kyla Murray and Lamar Jackson you wonder how ward would have done. Tony What's interesting he made that choice. He made thirty four million dollars in salary as an NBA player I don't know if he gone the football remember we're talking a while a goal salaries were in new at they are. Now Charlie Ward would have made that. I. Presume he's in one piece physically played pretty interesting knicks teams that were involved in drama didn't get as far as anybody wanted I know that as far as you want it, Charlie would was a nice little player for some time in the league. Happy Anniversary Matt Ryan on this. Day twelve years ago. Is slipped the Falcons on seemingly impossible six seconds to play scoring drive. CHICAGO. who had just taken lead five seconds before although Tom? Brady. Is the active leader in fourth quarter comebacks thirty seven since Ryan entered the NFL two, thousand eight he has the most fourth quarter comebacks with thirty ironically, since the Falcons managed to collapse to the Patriots in the Super Bowl Atlanta keeps finding ways to lose weight lose late their own five this year they become a poster team for choking. So it's not surprising that their coach Dan Quinn was fired after yesterday's loss to Carolina. Was Talk you know particularly when he led his team to the Super Bowl and he had all these comebacks he played well week after week year after year that Maddie ice might be in the hall of fame. I mean, he gets some consideration but man, the last couple of seasons you talk about falling off the table and then yesterday was I watched a lot of that game. There were just some awful plays that he made me wonder now can he reclaim the? Can you get it back with a new coach? or any way at all? and. A melancholy trails to Joe Morgan the hall of Fame Second Baseman died yesterday at age seventy seven. He was on the Great Big Red Machine Teams in Cincinnati that won two world championships and who's feared lineup included Pete Rose Johnny Bench Tony Perez although Morgan was only five seven. He was a two time MVP, a five time gold glove and a ten time. All Store Morgan may have been the greatest second baseman. The last ninety years he started with Houston played twenty two seasons in the majors playing for the giants Phillies, as after leaving Cincinnati in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, his unique guiding stance making circular emotions with a bat. Then flapping his right like a chicken wing is among the most imitated in the sport after. Retiring Nineteen eighty-four Morgan became a baseball broadcaster on a personal note he was regular on my radio show and he was a delight the last month or so Mike we've lost Morgan Lou Brock Tom, seaver Bob Gibson and Whitey Ford Hall of Famers. First condolences to the Morgan family including daughter Lisa who is made up of mugs like mine over the years for this. Network and gotten to know Lisa and enjoy her company so much joe mortgage was such a threat and so great and so diversely talented GM's spent the next generation looking for guys like him and let Willie Randolph Frank White Lou Whitaker Alan. Wiggins Delilah shiels, Durham Harold Reynolds, my friend who brought that notion of to me not an original thought he is a great way. My mistake you flapped his left arm not as right arm. Big. White sauce hired manager Rick Renteria are you surprised? Tony Little Bit I mean that team was just coming into its own made the playoffs I knew they didn't go out with when I was still a yeah. I'm a little surprised brazen dodgers tonight who do you like? I like the dodgers to win the series I I don't know about tonight man street was great regular season. I don't know while field the doll Novak Djokovic in straight sets for thirteen French Open and twentieth major your thoughts that twenty ties was federer. Is there a changing of the goat argument or discussion we need to have tomorrow defending champion Lsu out of the top twenty five after losing the Missouri big. Deal. He won thirteen French opens okay that no, no change in the guard is that a big dealing also workplace call save it for tomorrow last one charges and saints he got. Thomas Out Tony Team disciplined after practice fight I'm still going with the saints though. All the time trying to better the next time and I'm Tony. Kornheiser. 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Parker  Inside the (Rob) Parker - Cubs' Addison Russell media overreach; Vlad Guerrero, Jr. debut; Guests: Gary Sheffield and HOF Writer Tom Gage

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Parker Inside the (Rob) Parker - Cubs' Addison Russell media overreach; Vlad Guerrero, Jr. debut; Guests: Gary Sheffield and HOF Writer Tom Gage

"Do you like talking about fierce women who changed history because I like talking about fierce women who changed history. Join us live in New York City. This Friday may third for a preview of Tribeca film festival. An iheartradio. First joint original podcast. Fierce fierce is a storytelling adventure about the women left out of our history books and the women today who are carrying on their legacies. You can get your free tickets now on the Tribeca film festival website Tribeca, film dot com. From the berkshires to the sound from wherever you live in MLB America, this he's inside the Parker. You give us twenty two minutes in. We'll give you the scoop on major league baseball. Now. Here's baseball hall of fame voter number. What three rob Parker? Welcome in into inside. The parker. Your weekly baseball podcasts. I'm your host. Rob Parker hall of fame voter number one zero three and what a show we have for you today. We have Gary Sheffield the man with over five hundred home runs who should be in the hall of fame. We'll talk with him also hall of fame baseball writer, Tom gage. The latter reported the my friend, but a lot of your asked. We'll talk with Tom plus, but I it's time for getting rob my take on it three hottest stories in baseball. Leadoff. It's getting rough and keep them up. Rob's hot. Take the three biggest stories in major league baseball. Number one. Does Chicago Cubs are out of bounds foul when it comes to this whole idea that they wanna baby Addison Russell and they won't kid gloves. When he makes his return to the cubs. This coming Friday after a forty game suspension for violating the league's domestic violence policy. And I get it. They don't want people to pile on him when he comes back. He's been through a traumatic moment is situated. This was a fine. Young player who was a star going to be a staunch icago before this incident happened. But the bottom line is reporters have to do their jobs. This is what Addison Russell has to deal with when he comes back is it forever. No. It's not forever. There was a story out there this week that the cubs PR threatening media members who are critical of him. Stop stop this goals with the territory if you get the cheers when you hit the game winning home runs and make the big plays to win game for the cub, you're gonna get this. When you get suspended and people have a right to write about him talk about him. Ask him questions about it. And yes, there's a big redemption story that's going to be out there for Addison Russell, and I get that. But before you can write that store, you still have to cover the fire. That's what reporters do there's no playing favorites and kid gloves for certain guys Addison Russell will be able to get back. And and the change the narrative by first addressing an acknowledging what he did wrong level Porter's white that they'll get that out of their system. And then it can go back to him playing baseball and the things that we knew before this whole situation. So the cubs back off the reporters allowed them to do. Their jobs, and you know, what Addison Russell will be just fine. Number two earlier this week. Angels slugger Albert pools bass earlier this week angels slugger Albert pools pass Barry Bonds for third on the MLB career RBI lists soon, he'll officially become just the third player in history to knock in more than two thousand career RBI. Is it foul or is it fair to call our poo host the greatest hitter of this century, and we're talking two thousand and later, and I don't think it's unfair. I think for some reason our pool holes actually gets dissed because of some of the bad years in Anaheim with the angels and people look at him now as an old, man. Kids. Lord. His numbers are beyond reproach. They just saw. I mean at one time people were saying that Miguel Cabrera was the best white handed hitter in the history of baseball. And I think they forgot about Albert pool. Holes in the years, he put in Saint Louis and what he's done in his long career, go Google his stats. They're through the roof. They're unbelievable. When you think about all the guys who have played major league baseball. And you're telling me that only three players have knocked in more than two thousand career RBI how in the world could you not look at our pool halls. Hey, Garin and a rod those are the guys those are the only people who have ever done it in this game Alber pools is without question. The greatest right handed hitter of this century, the greatest hitter of this century for that matter and maybe the greatest hitter period when you talk about a right hand hitter. When you look at all of his numbers, stop poo, Albert our pool halls number three Vlad Guerrero, junior made his long anticipated major league debut. What a scene it was my goodness. He also wound up getting a hit a double and his first game. But a lot of people were talking about the patient factor. Was it bigger than anybody else's because there have been some players that we have been looking forward to seeing. There was Ken Griffey junior much anticipated. There was a rod Alex Rodriguez people were dying to see a rod when he came up in Seattle. And what about Bryce Harper? He was another guy. We remember him the Vegas kid with a homerun sports. Illustrated cover, but I gotta say this. Vlad juniors might have been the biggest his game was nationally televised with the social media stuff. It was big. It was all over. And then you had his dad Vlad senior in box. Sweet watching his son will cut aways to him. It was as big as it gets. And there's been other players who've had their son's debut win in the major leagues. But I gotta say given the social media aspect and the notoriety and and what he had done in the minor leagues. And how people were anticipating his arrival and it happened in Canada where he was born. It was so big that even the Canadian Prime Minister mentioned him in his debut. That's how big it was it spent two countries the United States and Canada. So I'm going to give it that flag. Guerrero juniors day. Byu was the biggest ever. Hey, I'm Andy if you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous, but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's. The idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience, I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and outta touch. At harry's. Our approach is simple. Here's our secret. 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Always good talking to you, man. How you doing? I'm doing gray. No doubt about it. Chef I just wanna get right to it and talk about you and your career, and you know, as you know, I do vote for you every year for the baseball hall of fame. How do you? Do you feel like you got a shot of getting in? No, you're not going to get into tell me your thoughts on on you. Because you have the numbers man you hit over five hundred home runs in your career. You played a long time. You did a lot of good stuff or a lot of good teams. I looked at it. I'll put in my work. I know I'm hall of Famer they know all the famous so it just a matter of technicality. What what was going on with baseball and everybody has their opinions, but everybody don't have facts. And then the bottom line is that I can live with my tax. And I did it the right way. I play clean all my life. I, you know, and I got told him and I'd say you can test me free. But blood for a hundred years if you want to I I don't care. But I like I say, I just know I'm easy to put negatively towards because when you're out smoking person, it depend anything going you. And then then most people believe. Yeah. This that's the problem. I have doing that era of we had a test from everybody who played during that era. Maybe I would look differently and you never even tested positive. I mean, I just I don't understand where guys decide to be judge. In jury. And I said I look at some of the gods. When you see other guys who get in, Gary whose names have been linked. What do you think when you see Pudge in Piazza and guys who's, you know, names have been linked to steroid use Wapping probably like every other player that thinks about it. You know, it it. It's a political game. They let in who they want and they draw them narrative. I won't baseball to be presented, and I was crystal clear net when I was eighteen nineteen years old. So it ain't changed. Now. It just that. I'm not gonna make a fuss about it. It is what it is. If I'm in great if I'm not that's fine too. Don't change my life one bit. Well, you got my vote as long as you on the ballot to ninety two batting average to almost twenty seven hundred hits five hundred nine or be is and six sixteen hundred seventy six RBI solid career a hall of fame career. What was your best? Stop you obviously played for. A number of teams was it winning the World Series in ninety seven with Florida. Or was it somewhere else? Yeah. It was a Florida Marlins. You know, I I even go to show you how this game is. I even called the Florida Marlins. You know to make sure that that was my my team that I so she ate myself with and I brought them their first championship. And I was the first franchise player that they ever bought their that to be a franchise player and to bring a championship there and the called him back my in two thousand nine and two thousand ten season just of signed a one day contract to retire there, and to no avail, you know. So so, you know, I still have love for the fans there, and I'm still going to shake myself there because of them, right? And whenever you want to championship is hard to not remember those moments in those days and the things that happened. Exactly. When you see today who who's a player that jumps out? Now, you do work for TBS post game baseball pregame postgame stuff when you look at. Players today who jumps out. Will you say this kid is either already there star was going to be a big storm baseball. I looked at dot teeth. I known kid when he was a little baby. And and I and I and I used to watch this kid we're around his dad, and and and everybody and we saw glad new year, and he jumps out like a sore. Thumb back in the day like French field. The was he was coming around. And you see them swing the bat, and you say some day these kids going to be up here. But it is a kid. I saw him. I saw him catching grounders and I saw him hitting. And I said I guarantee this kid going to be a short stop in the big league someday. And I thought his dad had tried to play long enough to play with it. But it didn't work out that way. Well, you got a couple of boys who are playing ball, right or the eleven and twelve me about those of you wanna see them in the big leagues. Well, I can tell you my twelve year old today. He he my wife said when he he was a baby any time. We would have a game seven year old and my sixteen year old they wouldn't go down in the tunnel as baby and wanna play in the playhouse. But my my middle son. He always sat up through the whole game with his mom and watch me play. And he mimic everything I did. And and now when you when you Sam is like what my wife said, I thought it would get better as you get older everywhere. I go he wants to be there. You know? He's like on my hip pocket. So so tell you as a love for the game. And that's the most important thing. If you love something enough, you you're going to be determined enough to make it. So that's that's what no doubt no doubt about it. When you see at one point it looked like collusion was going on and players wore being signed this past spring. And then all of a sudden, they baseball owners have opened up the checkbooks. What did you see money, and you see what? Trout got one hundred thirty million in price. Harper three hundred thirty million and Manny Machado three hundred million. You know, and you make good money and your day you made a lot of money. Well, what did you see these contract? What do you think to yourself? You know, I've always always good act that question, and my answer is always the same the same the same way. People look at these contract is the same way. They looked at mine when I was hitting highest paid baseball brand. Maybe baseball pollen history of sports when I signed my first big deal and everybody looked at me the same way. Like, how could you be worth all his money? How much he'll fresh people when you and what year was that? It was it was only seventy two million dollars. It'd be old. Look, I know on what they make it now. So I don't trust me. That's a lot of money. But what what is it the fact that they're making so much now, but that was seventy two million dollars. And everybody looked at me like how could you be worked on his money? And I was like saying the same thing. But it, but at the same time, you know, we didn't play for the you know, we didn't play for that. And that we played for the dream, you know, and and the money com. That's that's why we looked at it. As as we go on. We got about thirty seconds baseball baseball. I think is in a good place because you got a lot of younger stars coming along. You know, maybe you need some more African American. We saw Kyla Murray who turned down the baseball right with the as and instead became the number one overall pick in the NFL does baseball needs some young black stars as well to keep coming up. You know, the thing is about that is, and I'll tell you we're dealing with that we dealing with that right now, you know, when my sixteen year old and a high school, and where the problem starts people have their opinion about why licensed in the game it starts at high school. And I'll tell you these coaches play these kids that shouldn't be playing and he black kids and sitting on the bench and not playing when their better players better athlete, and it's the political game. If the pay to play if I paying the play on travel ball team, then they you know, they're not lend some kids come out for the high school team. I had to go speak on the behalf of a friend of mine that hit they wouldn't let us come to trial because he didn't play on the coaches travel Balkany. And that's the problem. That is not what baseball's should be about Gary Sheffield, my man, thanks so much joining the podcast. And again, you have my baseball hall of fame vote as. Long as you're on the ballot. Appreciate you, man. And and and and and continue success, but. It's time for the pocket protector. Centrum the analytic numbers you need to know. Well, maybe f s one's Anthony math Thurston is his name and Bs analytics is game. What you got for me? Anthony all right today. We're getting some welcome to the pitchers specifically the ones who rack the strikeouts and keep the ball in the ballpark. There's a stack called stip or fielding independent pitching that works just like ERA. But as explained the name, it takes a pitcher defense out of the equation dip, it gives you a great real pitchers performance of what they can control strikeouts walks it by pitches and home runs while not penalizing them for poor defense behind them. But the ERA doesn't do. Now, the wartimes of batter puts the ball in play the west control pitcher has on the outcome of that at that. So a pitcher with a high strikeout profile is going to fare much better when it comes to fifth now, it's no surprise the last year. The Mets Jacob degrom led the league in fifth with one point nine nine Mark, actually. Higher than Ziara last year one point seven zero. He was ridiculous, but he had a common thread with the rest of the leaderboard the top five stip last year. All struck out more than ten batters through nine innings walked fewer than three per nine innings and allowed west than a home run per game. It was two grand Trevor Bauer Patrick Corbin. Max Scherzer and Garrett Cole not bad company. Right by the way, top sixteen in fifth last year. One ninety plus games, lower your fifth increase your winds. Rob. All right. There we go. Thanks, anthony. Maybe do you like talking about fear swimming, hit changed history because I like talking about fierce women he changed history. Join us live in New York City. This Friday may third for a preview of Tribeca film festival in iheartradio's. First joint original podcast. Fierce fierce is a storytelling adventure about the women left out of our history books and the women today who are carrying on their legacies. You can get your free tickets now on the Tribeca film festival website. Tribeca film dot com. What rob was the newspaper columnist? He lived by this motto, if I'm writing I'm Rippin, let's bring in a writer of broadcaster. Older new. We now woke him in baseball hall of fame writer, Tom gauge, my colleague at the Detroit News for a number of years. Some of the best times covering baseball, Tom. How you doing? I'm doing great RAB. How you doing man? Wonderful. Great to have you on the podcast. Let's just get right to it Miguel Cabrera is back with the Tigers. But his bat isn't what has happened to MiG Itam. That you know, that's a good way of putting it rob his bat isn't back. He is back. And he's you know, it's kind of sad to watch because he's trying so hard. He knows the team to depends on him. And you know, the impact just isn't there anymore? He's sitting he's got ten Rb is he hasn't. He hasn't had even in his rookie season. I mean, he this is a guy who's had five APRIL's of more than twenty RBI's and one home run, and he just kinda didn't dunk that into the first row at in Chicago the other day to to right few. He doesn't pull the ball. He's got thirty strikeouts. Robin ninety nine at bats. That's not the Miguel Cabrera you remember not at all. And Tom at one point you remember when he won the triple crown people were talking about he's the best right handed hitter in the history of baseball to remember that talk. Oh, absolutely. And he's still a good hitter. Because he he's such a smart hitter. But he's not the impact hitter. He was I mean, one Rb one home run Ken be icy sitting weighty three and his and is slugging average is in the mid threes. And that's just you know, he he's more like six spot hitter instead of three or four now. Now, I they they can change it can come back, but he missed most of last season would would that bicep problem and it now, and he's and he's older. Now, he's in his mid thirties. And it just doesn't come back automatically. This is a guy to whom the tag is still over a hundred million dollars. Speaking of that the Tigers in ohling and where they are. Now, how people accepted what's going on because it was a missed window there, Tom where they went to the World Series twice a very good team and Monaco's of winning a championship. It didn't happen. How have house Detroit responded to this? Tiger team. So I think Detroit's responded remarkably well. Well, and and what's remarkable patients? I don't know how long patients lasts after after good team. I mean, the the Red Wings are going through that too because they not made the playoffs three years. After after being, you know, the darlings of Detroit. But I I don't see that initially. The Tigers the fans could blame read awesome. It's because they didn't really care for Brad. But now, I think they all like Gardenhire and he does a fine job. But the team's not good. I mean, it got off to a decent start. And it has some certainly had some some pitching and the pitching prospects. Casey Mayes who the number one draft choice went to AA last night and his and his doubled aid. It did you Raby if it should no hitter. And so I I think he's I don't think they'll give them a shot this year or maybe September. I don't know. But that's a name certainly to keep track for the future. But. This is a this is a no name team except for Cabrera Kester Yano. She's after slow start and he's hired Scott boy. So you know, what that means that probably means that he's going to be elsewhere. And it's just a I don't know. It's it's they don't score runs. We don't give up many runs, but they don't score mini. Tom. Would this buffet? I wanted to answer. Yes. Or no. Did Dave Dombrowski costs. The Tigers are championship by never fixing the bullpen. Yes. I would say that's not fair. I think they they're they're more reasons you can give credited Umbro's t for helping the Tigers turn into what they did it then assigned him blame. But at the same time. How did they not win a World Series? You know, if you don't win os six you got to win twelve and then with that thirteen team. How do you not even get to the World Series? This was a premier not just franchise but on the field. I mean, they had that window. They should have won a World Series while they were that good. But they did not last thirty seconds. You wrote day book. You're right working on another book. Tell us about the book you wrote and the one that's coming up. Well, I stopped covering the Tigers as a beat writer two thousand fifteen I've written three books since one general book about the Tigers best moments in best players one on Alan Trammell that real with the Tigers last year and one with Mickey Lola turn the sixty eight World Series, I glove to write a book about Lou Whitaker because he might meet next up for the hall of fame. And I don't think even after all these years RAB that Detroit really knows Lou Whittaker one hundred percent, and I can't wait for that book. His name is Tom gage hall of fame baseball writer and Tom thanks for joining. The podcast. Thank you. Good talking with you. Fasten your seatbelt. Here comes Parker's top-three MLB teams this week number three the Los Angeles. Dodgers they continue to hit the ball out of the ballpark. Second in the National League with home runs with forty nine. And I with a four sixty seven slugging percentage, Cody Bellinger leading the way tied a major league record with his fourteenth home run on Sunday. He joined an exclusive club only three others had hit that many home runs before may first number two. I know the Tampa Bay rays. I'm giving them respect. I know they got swept by the Red Sox. And people said always what was me here it comes. But even during their rough patch when they went four and five over nine game period. The bullpen has gotten better. And I still believe the rays have great starting pitching. They are number two number one. It's the Yankees. Again. I know the stars aren't there yet? They haven't shown up, but they continue to win. They went to San Francisco. They swept the hitting the ball out of the park. It has been an unbelievable surgeon resurgence by the Yankees despite the injuries. They remain number one. Favor. It's time for trash talk. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1490: Yeah Jeets

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1490: Yeah Jeets

"I And Low and welcome to episode fourteen ninety of effectively wild eight baseball baseball podcast van. Graphs presented our Patriot supporters. I am Ben. Lindberg of bringer joined by similar of ESPN low. San Shall we follow up on our knives out discussion from the previous episode. We got some info from a listener. No spoilers here just a brief follow up on the way that we started the previous episode. Good which was you made a case for the Ryan Johnson. Movie Knives out being a baseball movie based on the baseball that is in it and your interpretation of that baseball -aseball significance so we got an email. This is from Joseph who says to help. Settle the baseball debate in knives out. We can turn to the director's commentary. A Johnson released while the movie is still in theaters. At around twenty one thirty. He speaks for about thirty seconds on the addition of the baseball. I've attached a rough quotation below the the whole thing with the baseball. I needed a way to get Linda back to the office to see the note and I think it was in prep. I came up with it. I like the idea of Karmic justice that if it were not for Don's Petty Little Act of aggression and checking. The baseball window would have never found the note. Unfortunately it doesn't mention the obvious playing catch Hook of baseball that Sam hypothesized and the commentary commentary insures that it is at most third most important aspect of the balls inc just as importantly in a November interview. The director made this statement. Oh Yeah Yeah God. There's so many different types of movies I love. I keep talking with my composer Nathan. That's Nathan Johnson. His cousin about doing a musical. I'd love to do a musical someday. I'm a big Big Music Theater Fan. I think that would be really fun. A Western would be really interesting to do and I'd love to do a baseball movie someday. I Love Baseball. My wife has turned me into a huge baseball fan. That's a Karina Longworth. The host of the excellent podcast. You must remember this and effectively wild listener. She grew up a dodgers fan. And now we follow the entire season. And it's it's a big part of our lives and thus Ryan Johnston. It seems officially does not consider knives out to be a baseball movie. Hello I guess. He is using a different definition finishing than we have historically. Yeah no is good. Great work. Great Slu I read both of these things With a lot of interest and of course there can be hidden layers to something that perhaps a director doesn't even realized maybe it's subconscious. Maybe it's something that they didn't put it in intentionally but other people can take out of the work. So that's what happened here. Yeah or or didn't happen here or or you is interpreted. Everything is definitely still baseball in the movie that unless unless he comes out and says Actually we didn't choose the set how we just. We inherited the set from a different movie. I will still you know by the standards that I use Somebody put that baseball there. It is baseball. They knew it was a baseball. Anyway we can move on. Okay so shall we spend a few minutes on hall of fame before we get to e mails going to do some emails but we had big hall of fame developments if we we do. Were very likely to end up bringing in a very Very early step last step kinds about the hall of fame fine with me all right. So we got two players admitted via via the BBC w a vote to the him Derek jeter of course and Larry Walker which was really in question up until the last second Walker head actually tweeted on the day that the results were going to be announced that he thought he was GonNa Follow up at short. And there's this whole cottage industry. How of people on twitter? Who Project the the hall of fame voting results just based on previous voting and based on Ryan typifies work with ballot tracker and it seemed like in the minutes and hours leading up to the announcement that most people were thinking that Walker would fall just short and people were already blaming certain people who had dropped walker off their ballots are not included him and and as it turns out there was a slightly smaller voting pool than most people are accounting for and so as a percentage of that Pool Walker? Got Seventy six point six which was six votes more than he needed and it was really nice. Everyone was happy about Walker Getting Walker was happy about getting in. There's nothing more wholesome really than the hall of Fame Reaction Video where you get to see the players surrounded by their friends and family getting the call that they got in and it's probably probably true for any player. I don't know at Yet Derek jeeter reaction video. I'm not sure if there was one whether he really would have been able to muster any surprise but it walkers case of course it was endowed and he was in his tenth and final year of eligibility and he really seemed to care about it which was nice like he said that he was following the tracker tracker religion. You Your Your Your charm that the baseball player wanted to make the hall of fame. Could imagine some people saying. It's an honor under the other people bestow. Whether the baseball writers even know about it I had the career I had. I'm deserving so whether they say I am or not it's just an utter. I'm sure everyone wants to get in. Obviously obviously but I would think that certain people may be taken more or less seriously than others and Walker was like all of us. He was out there. Refreshing the tracker looking at the latest stats. What's and then? He had this very endearing interview where he was wearing. Spongebob Shirt for some reason and his twitter handle is Canadian goose slips and it's just Very easy guy to root for so it was nice to see him get his wish come. True and and a lot of people's wishes come true because Walker had become one of those guys who was kind if a cause and people were rooting for him in advocating for him in arguing for him for years and felt some agency or some stake in whether he you've got Internet so it was sort of a nice moment for all involved such a such a fascinating curve in hit was. Yeah I mean you you Kinda you do. SORTA get used to this trajectory of a player who who starts out with a crazy low vote total. You're sort of shocked by how close he come. He you know he might have even come to being knocked off the ballot entirely and then as a few things happen as votes lead to more votes as people start writing about it as the the oldest of the final year of eligibility all start to come up the vote. Total start to go up until he gets there or he doesn't and so you know that's that's a pretty standard trajectory like I'm looking at burt. Bly Levin for instance who started out at seventeen point five percent in his first year and then dropped a fourteen eighteen but then every single year after that he he rose I guess except one year he dropped from fifty three to forty eight but every other year he rose for fifteen years shares in till he eventually got over seventy five. And it's a slow and steady climb three percent here then. Six percent more and then five percent more than thirteen percent percent more and then eight percent more. And so that's like your classic climb and Tim Raines Basically the same twenty four his first year and then a tiny little drop the second second year and then every year after that except again except for one he rose and it's like eight percent at a time nine percent of the time and so Mike Mussina Twenty to twenty five five to forty three to fifty to sixty four to seventy seven. It's not it's not just that he rose every time it said he rose pretty pretty steadily overtime. And then and then you get Larry Walker who starts at twenty and then goes to twenty three and then goes to twenty two and then boom drops down to ten like it's just just to collapse of support and that was not long ago. That was five years ago. Yeah drops down to ten. Seems impossible to imagine that in the next six years years he would he would climb to seventy five percent and in fact the next year he only rises to twelve and so he's halfway through. He's halfway through his eligibility. He's is only at twelve percent. He's at five. Chances in his votes have declined sixth year. Only fifteen percent so not even like who had fifteen percent this year. I've met people who had fifteen fifteen percent. This year are like Jeff can't end. Well just tell you fifteen percent. This year Sammy Sosa had fourteen percent. Andrew Jones at one thousand nine percent Andy Pettitte eleven percent sent Jeff. Kent twenty-seven percent so imagine an average of those four. None of them are going to make it. We don't expect any of them to make it. We don't expect Manny Ramirez to all of a sudden catch fire has twice fifteen percent so fifteen percent and then twenty two which is still again like. That's where Andrew Jones is this year basically and then it's thirty four and then it's fifty five thirty four to fifty five and then seventy seven so basically in in three years he goes from No chance to in that is a very very rapid reconsideration of his like he has below Billy Wagner and Gary Sheffield Until Hill two and a half years ago right. I mean the differences at least one difference with walkers that of course he doesn't have the PD baggage that guys like manny and Sosa have so so when you don't have that weighing you down maybe there's a little more helium there. He just also just had a better case. I think some guys who are in that range like ask Andy Pettitte. Let's say so. I think there is always the capacity for growth there but yeah it's really surprising and I guess it's partly a bit of the steroid royd related backlog clearing off for the PD era backlog. So there was more spots on the ballot to go round up for grabs and then also it just goes to show kind of the power of the Internet to change minds. I think which has really grown. I mean the Blind Levin thing that was is kind of the first one that I remember where the metric community coalesced around. This one person is a cause and really flogged that cause heart every year and there were certain people who are very associated with that but that started even before social media. I think so now that you have that and you just have youtube videos and you have twitter the people just making threads about it and it's constantly there and if you're a person who hasn't been voting for Walker you're just constantly confronted by reasons to vote vote for Walker and peer pressure to vote for Walker so in that sense like. There's almost a a dangerous precedent. I guess if there were some undeserving candidate who for some recent. That's sort of support than maybe people would feel that pressure but thus far at least the people who've gotten into that kind of drive have been people who should have been in so violin and Raines and Walker. I don't think walkers cases quite as clear cut his by eleven rains but I think he was deserving candidates so it's nice to see that greater access to information and people trying to convince other people can actually they work. Yeah I think he has. I think he has more war than rains. In fact yeah maybe so. Yeah so two things about that so going to the the peer your browser thing is unreal Kinda unrelated to that. But I'm just curious. It is a private ballot. You don't have to publish your ballot. CBW A few years ago switched to public ballots for are for all the awards but the hall of fame. It's still up to you. You can either submit it and publish it and tell them that they can publish it or you can keep it quiet so. Let's say that you are a voter order. Ben And you feel very strongly that Derrick jeeter shouldn't be in the hall of fame and you don't you're not trying to troll your you've got a high. I standard your standard is maybe somewhere around seventy five war. You're a small hall. You look and you see L- Whitaker's not in there and Bobby grits is not in there. And when you you compare you just don't see enough different. Hypothetically all this is hype. I'm not making it but you decide that you know until rich and whitaker and cheater doesn't have of a place either and so you in good faith decide you're not giving jeeter your vote and your your vote's not going to be public so you're fine. You're not going to be either. You have you suspect that you're going to be the only person or that you might be the only person it's maybe it's more likely that a couple people will think like you know it's very possible that he would be unanimous. If not for you but you feel so strongly that you are still committed to wanting to not give him your vote. How confident are you that your vote will never never actually? How confident are you that you will make it to your death without either somebody either? BWI retroactively publishing pushing everything or somebody leaking it somebody at Bwi somehow leaking it or someone hacking in Bwi or someone hacking in to your email millon dress or you dumbly telling one friend who then tells to friends and gets out. How how confident are you that you could take this one of your great? It's not that confident. It's pretty hard for information to say St cred these days and I don't think the W I would put it out there intentionally. There's always the possibility they would leak it by accident or get hacked or something. But I guess the precedent is the Griffey non voters. I think there were three people who did not vote for Ken. Griffey junior and I believe none of them are known even today so they have managed to stay secret. Of course that could change at some point but yeah I'd be a little worried about it. There's only one person out of the three hundred ninety seven voters who decided not to vote for teeter. The only valid reason that I can can think of not to vote for Jeeter is just that someone thought that they were eleven deserving candidates which I don't on this current ballot but I could see how someone would and so if someone said Hey cheaters getting in with or without my vote. So I'm going to vote strategically and give a vote to someone who's in danger of falling off the ballot or really needs the vote vote. I wouldn't be upset about that if someone said that publicly so bad. It's bad logic though because even if even if you're saying well I only have ten spots. I WanNa vote for eleven so I'm going to use my ten votes for maximum power maximum effect. It's more more likely that you're going to be the person that cost cheater unanimity than that said Billy Wagner is your one of your eleven that Billy Wagner is GonNa make it or fall off like he is he and his role and they're sort of safely in that thirty to fifty percent range where your vote's not going to push them in and the lack of your vote is not going to knock them out and in fact not voting for Jetta would be one of the costliest non votes that you could make strategic voting perspective that presupposes that unanimity matters which. I'm not sure it does really. I mean who cares he got in. Yeah that's a good point. I it mattered. Once it mattered up until last year. Yeah A- and and now it no longer now I think it probably I think it's I won't name or does it matter now. Are we going so I wrote when Rivera got in that it was perfect that Rivera godden because as the first unanimous one because nobody is going to mistake Mariana Rivera for the greatest. I Hall of Famer ever. It's never going to be like. Oh well there's only been one unanimous the true greatest of all time Mariana Rivera like he's obviously an inner circle Michael Hall of Famer. He's a great great great great Great Hall of Famer but he is. He is not the greatest player in baseball history. And so the fact that he's was the first unanimous person really makes it clear that the difference between getting unanimity and not getting unanimity is not a clear. So you're like ranking right like there are many people who are better than Mariano Rivera who are not unanimous and there will probably continue to be some maybe and so he makes it safe in a sense to not be unanimous because Marlin era like. What are we talking about? Yeah so that said people care a lot of people care. They do and coder. If you thought Derek jeter should be all fame and you did not vote for for him Strategically thinking that it wouldn't matter to people whether or not he was unanimous. I think that you probably would miscalculate. Matters to people definitely matters. It doesn't personally matter to me very much. And if I were Derrick jeeter. I don't think it would matter all that much to me. I mean he's got a lot going on for him. I don't think he really needs that. Three hundred ninety seventh vote again. They're better players in the past two have not been unanimous so it's not really a snow it's not really saying. Oh He's not in the class of this hall of Famer that Hall of Famer and it doesn't affect his induction doesn't affect his speech. It doesn't affect the placement of his plaque so ultimately only bothers me in the sense that it's just illogical for people not to vote for someone if it's only based on Oh I don't vote for anyone on a first ballot out of principle apple which has just sort of silly bothers me in a very low stakes way but other than that now unless the non-voter was voting for the first time this year they can never again say nobody who voted last year against. They don't vote for people on the first ballot. Yes that's true. Yes so I I mean if if that were the reason if it were someone voting strategically and being private just because they don't want the hassle of being the one person who gets lambasted for not voting for Derek. JETER than I would understand why they wanted that privacy. If it's someone who wants the attention of trolling than you would think they would do it publicly. Obviously to to to get that boost of traffic or attention or hatred. Or whatever if it's someone who just bears a grudge against jeeter for some reason than that's wrong long and they shouldn't do it for that reason so we'll see. There will still be ballots. That will be released publicly. That haven't been yet so it's possible that it will be one of those but but probably not. Anyway it's It's sort of silly. But Michael Bama among others made the point just kind of highlighting the contrast between the paths that cheater Walker took to induction. Because these guys are not that far apart. I mean if you just go by strict war which maybe is not a completely fair. Wait to evaluate these people given jeeter's postseason record and everything but by baseball reference were jeeter in Walker separated by point three wins above replacement smitten walkers actually above jeeter and yet it took walker ten years and just barely scraped over the line whereas Jeeter of course Scotland on the first try in. There was never any question about whether he would. So it's SORTA strange their reasons why that's the case. Of course. Just you know. Cheater was much more famous for for valid reasons and maybe some not so valid reasons and that's reflected in the voting but it is just kind of one of those weird things that if you were an alien who were comparing pairing the warriors and someone said Yeah. This is the best way to evaluate a baseball player. Look at the war's end. Then you saw the disparity in the voting results would wonder what the heck was going on. They're so every time one of the CAUSES GETS IN I. I assume this happened as well with Walker but every time one of the causes gets in. And there's that discussion of like who should be the next. Should we champion next. And I assume it's as clear as day that it should be Scott Rolen that would people. Yeah I think so. And and that's kind of one of the disparities that it blows. Your mind is looking at Roland fiscal and they both took some jumps. This year rolling up to thirty five point three percent fiscal up to fifty two point Six percent which is that range where there are very few players who get to that point and don't eventually make especially on just their third year of eligibility ability. So that's another case where you compare the wars and you think how is scale getting so much more support than Rohan which in a way might bolster Rolodex. This cases the cause of the symmetric community. Because I think it's helpful when there's a foil not that any of the stat nerds like us. Wish fiscal ill or anything. Fiscal seems to be a great guy and I don't want to deprive him of a a happy day. But just based on the careers he certainly certainly seems a lot less deserving to me than Scott Rowland and so to be confronted by the increased support service cow relative to ruin it. It just makes you want to Advocate for rolling even more to convince the people who are voting fiscal. That they're missing something with Rohan so I would think that Ruin will climb up and he has has seven years left so he's made some progress there but it looks like we're in for something of a lull or a dry spell in the coming years because this next year there's no first-ballot guy like the best first ballot players. Are Tim Hudson and Mark Burleigh. I think so next year it's looking like purchasing Kurt. Showing may be the sole inductee because he got up to seventy percent this year and with no one else really took compete with next year. He'll probably get across that finish line in his second. The last year eligibility and beyond that people on the ballot right now like clemens and bonds are just not moving at all like no one is changing their minds minds on clements and bonds. At this point they go up. A couple percentage points every year just based on new voters being added to the group and most of them will vote for clements and bonds and I will be eligible to vote for the first time on. I think the last year that those two will be appearing on the ballot and I expect to vote for them. I would vote for them now despite my reservations about their characters. An off the field behaviors but I still just sort of how walk the hall of fame. I would vote for them but I don't think that the addition of some new people to the roles will get them across the finish line. So it's looking like they'll have to be some kind of veterans committee cases and based on the historical makeup of Veterans Committees. I don't know that they would meet with a much warmer reception there so I don't know if eventually there will be some sort of PD revisitation reconciliation committee. That might get them in some day. I I don't know but it doesn't look like they're they're going to get there via the traditional method one thing. That's fun about the hall of fame. Now that I'm you know forty. Is that the people who are coming up are people who I existed for their whole careers. I was a fan during their careers and it is fun to put myself in the mindset of of how I felt during during their careers to think. Did I think of them as a hall of Famer at the time and to be in some cases sort of surprise like I don't have any doubt that Scott Rowland should be in the hall of fame. I don't think think I thought that at the time. I don't think I've felt that way at the time. Although there were there were times where I thought that he was one of the the very very best players in the game but for the most part I just thought he was really good and I didn't think that a really good defensive third baseman was probably a was. Probably GonNa make the hall of fame and so Now I look back at it and I re revised but on the other hand like Larry Walker I think I had no doubt I think Larry Walker to felt like a hall of Famer from his Expos. Today's let alone when he was hitting in the three seventies with with Colorado and so It's interesting to see that despite feeling I think I always ah when older players who were on the ballot players whose career predated me and I would see results that I disagreed with. I think that that the the people who were voting shooting were were being swayed too much by their subjective memories of having watched the player but I feel like Larry Walker like the subjective memory of Larry Walkers that he was a hall of Famer and it took a really long time for that to to come true to catch up so so even even if it felt like during the career sometimes the voting starts and those five years just have liked. Changed the memory of a glare. They sorta faded away for some reason that you're not quite clear on. I think flat getting in probably helped Walker to just because if you compare those two it just seems like Walker was the superior player. It's hard to make a case that Vlad was the superior player so once well in also also qualitatively. They were very similar like anything that you pretty much anything. You can say about Vlad in terms of his tools or his variety eighty of skills or how exciting dynamic. You was all those things that made flat so special like if there's anybody who can compete on that pure athletic and like marvelous way way it would be Larry Walker who was also extremely fast and who was also extremely good at putting the bat on the ball and who also had an extremely good arm arm and so very similar in a lot of ways beyond just the value. Yeah and maybe also edgar getting in and even relievers getting in because one of the big mcchicken smokers. The lack of playing time at curt didn't have that many more appearances and of course was Dha. And then. If you'RE GONNA compare playing time to relievers I don't know. Oh how many people make that direct comparison but if you're going to complain about the time that Walker spent on the field then you almost have to factor that in when you're talking about relievers pursue spend a lot less time on the field but yeah I think talking about how players were perceived at the time. That's another thing that mystifies me about vizquel support because it clearly was not perceived as one of the best players in baseball during his career he got. MVP votes one time one time he got MVP votes and he was sixteenth ecksteen. So it's not like the baseball writers said we're watching a hall of Famer here exactly not exactly. It's it's really weird. I mean I never never would have occurred to May the L.. Marvin Scott was a lot of the fiscal cases. The compiling the longevity in the plane forever. So I get why you could say it's not totally inconsistent consistent to say that he was not the best player in any individual year but was good over almost a quarter century fine but he just never was at that level in in any individual year or for any stretch of seasons and I kind of object when someone says that their standard for a players that like he had to be the best player in his league. You get a certain time or he had to be even the best player at a position or something because you know that's arbitrary. There's a different pool players in a league in a position. Some guys you're going up against the the best players of all time it's like Mike. Mussina was a contemporary of Pedro and Mattison Randy Johnson and other people were pitching at times when there was no great dominant inner circle guy like that so that always sort of bothers me evaluate the guy not necessarily who his contemporaries were at that position. And I one thing I hadn't realized until I read Jason starks article about the ballot breakdown is just what a great run. It's been for hall of Famers for no Doubt Hall of famers. This is seven straight years with at least one first ballot guy that streak will come to an end. It's this next year. But that's the second longest streak. There was an eight year run from nineteen eighty eight to nineteen ninety-five but the quantity of first ballot. Guys is unprecedented unprecedented. There were thirteen first ballot guys in these last seven years. And we've never seen anything like that. The most over any previous seven near period was ten guys and not only were there a lot of like almost unanimous guys but there were a lot of ninety percent first ballot guys which is fairly fairly rare in itself. And so we're not gonNA see a whole lot of those not doubters in the next few years because What next year? I already covered not any any great new editions. And then after that there's Ortiz in a rod rate and a Rod. He's GonNa have to wait a while if he ever gets in via voting and Ortiz. He's I assume Ortiz be a first ballot guy although not a unanimous guy I mean. His statistical case isn't totally clear cut and of course he has the report about pd usage but Ortiz just seems immune to all of that everyone loves Ortiz. And then after that. There's what Bell Trae I think A couple years after that and then Beltran in twenty twenty three who probably wouldn't have been a ipad Guy Anyway but Now certainly will not not be in the wake of science dealing and then after that. I guess it's each euro would be th the next person who might have a shot at getting a hundred percent but that's not till twenty twenty-five I think so it's going to be a little bit of a drop not going to be quite as many inductees for the next few years. I'm considering trying to convince is myself that I think Andy Pettitte should be all of famer and getting behind him. I mean I'm not there yet not there. I'm considering I'm considering trying to talk myself off into it and then getting there. Well I grew up watching Andy Pettitte and enjoying Andy Pettitte but even for me not quite. Yeah this this goes back. ACT The I think I've mentioned before where there's like A. There's like a fifteen year gap in which no hall of fame. Pitcher was born unless Andy Pettitte gets there and I just don't know that I believe that can happen. Yeah I don't if you're the best person born in fifteen years at your positions or you know at a whole half of the game game I think maybe I think that you should be in the hall fame and there's a there's a there's a case there it's it's not the strongest case but it's it's a pretty. It's a sign. It's a fine line case. Yeah all right well Curt Schilling will get in right so he must have been born around the same time probably but maybe he might have been before four. I don't remember and showing gets in next year. And he's the only one he's got the whole weekend to talk schiff. Yeah I know. That's the that's the problem. The Huw nobody nobody else no other speeches. Look around and say anybody else okay. I'll just keep Ya. Schilling was born six years before patio and so I think that I think I think there is. I think petted is squarely in the middle of that like whatever fourteen or twelve year. Run or whatever All right okay. And in other news I think our off off-season contracts draft is mercifully over. Now no no pigs nine forty million dollars. Yeah all right I still gotTa Shat yet because Sir you had the under Marcel Zuma's so not only have you been beating me on all these overs. You took these big deals that I at least was not participating for free agents this off season. Not only that you took the under on Marceau's Zuma and I I forget what the MLB trade rumors projection for him was. But I think it was like a four year thing right and instead he signed for one year and eighteen million with the braves so even more fake money for you. I overstated this. Two pitchers from the nineteen seventies are inducted. And nobody else is likely to be from that. So a two two in a decade and it is my position that there should be more than two in a decade so overstated. But I think that you that either the we need to make a choice. Either Andy Pettitte. Or Yoahan's into Johansen Indiana either for the longevity and overall body of You know consistent excellence or Santana for the peak you gotTa pick one or the other I think and or both but Santana's I think off the ballot so so mytalk okay. Yeah I was GONNA three hundred and some million dollar lead over you and I don't have we ever had a contest. Go like this. I don't think so. This is the most lopsided drafter competition competition. I think we've ever done what happened. Boy Yeah as soon as I I certainly thought he would get more than that even with the qualifying Lang offer attached. I guess it could work out for him if he has a decent season goes back into the market next year without a qualifying offer attached but given that people people were expecting a four year. Deal or something for him and that he had to settle for this in this market. Where almost everyone else seems to be doing pretty well? He's he's such a confounding funding player because he's the guy who has this giant gap between his stat cast expected stats and his actual stats. which are fine But except for that one year not really remarkable and he's even kind of confusing on defense because he used to be a great fielder and now it seems like he's a lousy field there. Yeah but they're still some disagreement depending on the defensive system but the offense is is really the most mystifying because he hits the ball so hard that he has like one of the highest expected weighted on base averages and one of the biggest gaps or I think literally the biggest gap in two thousand nineteen between the expected and the actual and it seems like the theory on why that is is that he tends to hit the ball hard but not in the optimal direction like you would expect that. Maybe he'd be pounding the ball into the ground and that would be the problem that he'd be too much of a ground ball cap but that's not really it so it seems like he may be just slices the ball a lot and and expected weighted on base which mostly considers how hard you hit and the vertical ankle at which you hit. It might be overestimating how how good he is because he just hits the ball to a bad part of the ballpark in so he crushes it but doesn't get the sort of results that you would expect based on Nadan. It seems like a multi season trend with him that he is kind of denied. The so I don't know how many players there would be like that. But he's almost like the the hitter equivalent of a fifth beating Pitcher who just has like globus except I guess the other direction because he is underperforming relative to what you'd expect so it's sort of strange I guess the market is not expecting him to be what his expected stats. Were it's expected him to be what his actual stats. Were which are okay but Nothing special so the braves sort of replaced Josh Donaldson's Bat with him but not to the degree that you would think if you look at certain yeah I haven't seen whether there's been a updates on this but I know as of a couple of years ago ago. It was somewhat mystifying. Or I don't know surprising to me counterintuitive that Jonathan Judge had founded baseball prospectus that the expected stats. I don't actually predict very well while it seems like they should be more predictive than regular stats. They're they're not and I don't know if that's true. That was just one article from a couple of years ago and maybe maybe things have been refined or maybe the numbers Washed out in different ways since then. Or maybe people found instance but seemed to be at at the time that if you're a player who underperforms you're expected stats that's what you're you're a player who underperforms you're expected stats so it'll be interesting to see over the next decade or so whether that stays true because obviously that's one of the great hopes of stat cast is that it will give us a lot higher confidence in projecting players future performance because we're are stripping away even more of the locking getting closer and closer to their true they're true tools a talent levels but maybe not all right. So there's been Nolan millionnaire Nado drama but May Be discussed that with meg next time we talk and the mets reportedly have hired the replacement for Carlos Beltran. And who is There runner-up one of their runner ups before they hired Beltran Louis. Ross who was a minor league manager for years and had interviewed with them and was their quality control coach which seems like a perfectly reasonable replacement but I guess unless you have anything else pressing on your mind you want to just go straight to your step list. Yeah it's about Larry Walker okay. It two I stumbled upon this by accident. I'm and I'm I'm sure that in articles on online everybody has seen this fun in fact a million times but he is the first Colorado Rocky to play even a single game as Iraqi to make the hall of fame. Did you see that I didn't but yeah that makes sense. Does it shouldn't surprise me that much right. I mean he's obviously he's the first Iraqi that's being inducted as rocky. This is the first player to ever play a single game as Iraqi that they are the only team in baseball. That did not have a hall of Famer who played on their team at at some point and so that sorta blew my mind and then I started wondering well. How much should it blow my mind in so I dug into that just a little bit so first things first I went back to nineteen twenty so in the the last century so anybody that was playing in the fake baseball years? I'm leaving those those things out. So in the last century the dodgers have had the most hall of famers appear in their uniform. Thirty eight of them. The Yankees are next at thirty six. So those two teams aren't surprising although the order is slightly surprising. And then you've got you know all the teams all the non expansion teams just sort of go down the line and got the giants third the braves fourth red SOx fifth tied with the cubs. Actually the braves red sox and the cubs are all tied. And there's not not a ton of difference between these franchises or the cubs braves and red sox are all thirty at whereas the all time franchise over the past centuries the Yankees and they only have thirty six. So it's all pretty tightly grouped but the rockies are the only team that had zero even though the three other teams entered the league through expansion either alongside them or or or after them so the Marlins who joined the lead the same time the rockies did. They've had five hall of famers appear on their team. Andre Dawson Trevor Hoffman Mike. Piazza Piazza Tim. Raines and Yvonne reason I mean yes those are not like. We're not talking all time. MARLINS their oven Rodriguez. I think played played the one year Tim Raines played. Blake next to nothing. Mike Piazza played five games. which is gonNA come up in a later part of this dat cat? Trevor Hoffman. was there before. He was a padre and Andre Dawson. Andre Dawson was so what on the expansion team I think and was part of part of them for a little bit so they had five the diamondbacks have to Roberto Alamar and Randy Johnson not exactly equals in diamondbacks and the Tampa Bay. Rays of course famously had wade boggs but the rockies it took them twenty seven years. I too have their first hall of Famer Twenty-seven Years Maybe Twenty eight depends how you count years and so I looked at all the expansion teams since nineteen sixty one to see how many years it took before their first hall of Famer to see if the rockies are really that out of the ordinary and they are somewhat out of the ordinary but they are not the most extreme so the rays are the fastest expansion team to get a hall of Famer again famously Wade boggs who they essentially essentially signed in order to be their first hall of Famer so he was inducted. Just seven years after the race were formed as a franchise. So they're the the only team that had a hall of Famer within a decade. The next is the mets. who had Yogi Berra now? We should stop there for a second Yogi. Berra was inducted. Ten years after the mets played their first game. So that's the second fastest Yogi Berra is also in a little sub list that I have here which is players who played fewer in five games with the team that I'm counting them. As so tim. Raines played four games with the orioles might be played five with the Marlins Orlando Cepeda played. It's three with the as Ray schalk played two for the giants and then Yogi Berra who played four games with the mets at age forty. He was a coach basically basically for them. This was after his one years the Yankees manager after he'd retired he very briefly played while he was one of their coaches at age. Forty and so you could. I'd say that doesn't really count for the mets. Because Yogi bear only played four games and went to nine on the other hand. He was their their coaching their their manager. So it's not like he was just passing through in that sense either so anyway the mets ten years and then the norm is about thirteen to seventeen years so the diamondbacks thirteen years. The MARLINS Orleans seventeen years the padres seventeen years the astros fourteen years. The brewers thirteen years the mariners. Fourteen years the royals fifteen years. Those are all teams that we're between thirteen and seventeen years. Then you have. The Blue Jays took twenty years. The Angels Twenty One and then the rockies twenty-seven but there are two teams that took even longer the Washington winton senators slash Texas. Rangers took thirty years before their first hall of Famer and they actually had to inducted the same year. Fergie Jenkins and Gaylord. Perry were both elected the same year a thirty years after the Rangers supply after the senators played their first game and then the expos actually took thirty one years. There I hall of Famer was Tony Perez so the rockies. It's it's a long time. But it's not a freakishly longtime so that is probably. There's probably none of these details. Probably Matter Gorkhas Larry Walker made it and so they're no longer on any sort of interesting chase All right cool glad. They broke their draft and pre French. Serves a Hullah favor or at least to see one for a few games at some point. Yeah you would think that there was nothing particularly special about the rockies twenty-seven years it's not how to record or anything like that on the other you would think that there would be a it would be a lot easier to get a first hall of Famer in This Day and age than it would have been in the sixties and seventies when the senators in the expos. Were beginning their play. I just because there's more there's more player movement and teams employ a lot more people those days as well Roster more people throughout the course of a season more turnover from season to season. And so I don't know while while the rockies are not a notable notable expansion team by the standards of these fourteen expansion things they might be. I don't know maybe no expansion team in the future will ever go this long. They might be the last asked him to go this long. Perhaps all right. Let's take a few questions. This is from John Patriots supporter given that the Astra signs. Doing ailing scandal all started with Mike. Fires going on record. Is it crazy to imagine a player who is called in to be released or demoted threatening his bosses that he would expose the teams teams cheating scheme. Would it work and what would be the ramifications. Could a guy keep his roster spot with a cheating team by using blackmail. Well so you're GonNa hear me probably mostly read an answer that you've probably already read not okay so in theory. Could it work if a bunch of things. He's went right in theory. Maybe it could but the downside here for the player is just massive. I mean you would be idle John. I thought that if you did if you get caught cheating you risk a suspension if you get caught blackmailing your team by weaponising. They're cheating then. I think you would probably quite possibly get banned from the game for life because in on the one hand as I put it cheating needs to be policed and punished but it falls within the distorted vision of a baseball players competitive mission weaponising cheating in order to force team to make non-competitive personnel decisions. However feels like something more akin to throwing a baseball game? It's essentially overturning overturning. The mission in order to benefit oneself. Personally so I think that you could get banned for life for that but I mean even if you didn't get banned for life you would not get another job in baseball ever again. And that's the thing that the club ultimately has well the the league the body of of teams the industry ultimately has is a Lotta leverage over players. Because they're going to probably be working for the League for like thirty or forty more years. There's a long line of jobs after you retire higher and if you ever WanNa work in the game again you're going to get to game is going to welcome you with a bail hug. And then they're going to pay you you for thirty or forty years to coach to scout to work in player development to work in a front office to broadcaster to be an ambassador to do whatever ever it takes to keep you part of the family and if you do something like this you would have none of that you would be unemployed for the rest of your life and you would do it all so that you could work for a team that you really weren't good enough to be on anyway so it doesn't really seem like a player. Would think this through considerate in his best interests. Besides it being coming he also be a miserable situation in the short term if you could do it without notifying all your teammates that you were doing it if you could go over their heads if you could just say this to the GM or the owner or something and and get them to apply pressure to the manager not to you than and and maybe it wouldn't be so bad. But if the majer new if the coaches new and of course if your teammates new than you would just be ostracized or worse. Yes Asahara situated to be in which I mean maybe it be worst the major league salary and and the job security. If you thought that you were never gonNA we'll be back in the big leagues if you were like a fringe player who thinks this is my only chance. And maybe if I stay up here and I do well than some some other team will want me. Although even in that case I wonder probably the would be poisoned there because if some other team wanted to sign you I wonder if your previous b-best team would sort of tell that team. Hey they'd be wary because they do. They wouldn't want to disclose that they were cheating. Obviously but they'd figure figure out a way to impugn your character reasonably in in some ways so you'd be blackballed or miserable and just probably wouldn't be worth the staying on the big league roster in the short term unless I guess you think it's your only chance at ever being in the big leagues again. You have some other post baseball plan. Where baseball just doesn't matter that much to you or you just need to support yourself in your family in the short term and that's your only concerns but not that many players in that very specific situation probably yeah? I'm reading this book right now. Called a house for Mr Biswas and one of the characters is is Mr Biswas and he does not do something that his his wife wants to like. Invite the family to bless their new house and he fights with her. He hates her family and so he says is no and he thinks like well you know he's in a he's in a very patriarchal society and so he has like in his mind. He has all the power to say no out of this but his what he lives with his wife and so she just very very like easily deconstructs his sanity bike blowing her nose every time he's he's about to drift off to sleep and so every time like he's about to fall asleep and she just blows her nose and she does that for a few days and then finally caved and all all it takes. If you're that close to somebody is finding a very exposed pressure point and my guess is that even if you thought you got your boss like you you do. You know. He's got a he's got employees because you're black nailing him I guess is he can make your life really really really really miserable to the point that it would be invisible Zabol to any other outsider. You would have no like lawsuit or anything like that and Just it'd be a series of humiliations until you wanted to flee and all so that you can fail in front of fans because you're not good enough to make the team probably. Yeah all right and you can't even feel morally superior to the team that you're threatening learning to read out because you're just using that to your own advantage so Kenny we have we have really passionately advocated to this hypothetical. Go player why he should not do it. We're really we've been on this topic awhile now. We've made multiple arguments for a player who does not exist to facing a decision that does not exist. Yeah by all means report it to someone go public but but using it to your own. Advantage is It's probably I'm not going to be to your own advantage in the long run. All right Anthony also Patriot supporter. Says not sure if you saw this pole just popped up in the facebook group about which chizzy picker advantage steroids or the being scheme. I agree with most that the answer that seems like it should be right is the banging but based on the numbers. It's almost certainly only the steroids right. I just looked back. Through a bunch of known steroid users pitches and almost across the board their WRC pluses went up thirty to fifty points for the banging slash alleged buzzing scheme to have been more beneficial to the hitters than steroids. The Astros Roster must have been full of average or below average hitters and. I asked him just to clarify pages he looked at and he mentioned bonds and Sosa and mcgwire he also mentioned a couple other sort of suspected sturridge seasons that aren't actually proved steroid seasons but as he said just bonds alone and his career arc may be is enough to make a case for steroids. But I know that you answered this one. Be a Patriot as well. Yes I did so I read that. I think I agree with you. I I saw your answer to this and I think it's pretty much in line with what I would say so. I guess you can read or cribbed from that all right. I said that the evidence for steroids helping thing is generally cloudy or underwhelming although the anecdotal evidence though quite probably cherry-picked is overwhelming the evidence for the banging schemes helping is nonexistence assistance and arguably provides only evidence that it hurts and this includes the anecdotal evidence of participants who voluntarily quit doing it if MLB investigations are accurate. It given all that I would probably take the cloudy evidence and say that. Yes what we've observed points to steroids helping more however like you I would agree that the answer earth that seems like it should be right is the banging until there is good clean well modeled research. I can't overrule my gut. I remained conflicted. So what I'm basically saying is that there's not a lot of evidence for either one being not a lot of convincing evidence. A lot of evidence that I would take to the bank for either one being as significant as I think that it would be an in the absence of that evidence. I kinda just lean back I go back to my priors and assume that the banging should would be more helpful and probably is and I would like I would I would take. It would take a lot of evidence for me to be convinced. Is that not that the banging scheme didn't help and while there is not any evidence that it did help it would take a lot of evidence that it didn't help before I really gave up on that. Yeah Yeah Rob Arthur has shown some evidence that may be the esters ability to lay off. Pitches or swing at the right pitches. Improved Someone significantly around the time that they started the banging scheme. The results didn't change so dramatically. And it's not inconceivable that that could have happened anyway but that's something you you could point to again. I mean the astros just seem really good regardless in their twenty nineteen offense. Vince was incredible. When as far as we know based on Abe's findings they weren't cheating or weren't cheating in the same way? So it's it's true that like there's there's no bonds level evidence for the banging scheme being beneficial but the steroid evidences sort of murky to and in many many ways this situation is analogous to the PD era and the PD backlash. I think Gee Jaffe wrote about some of the perils of differences there but in the sense that this was something that was going on that the league had some awareness of and didn't really take steps to stop as early as it could have and then acted it is if it's terrible when the news actually becomes public and it becomes a black eye for baseball and then you start getting suspensions and everything but with signs sign stealing. You can't test someone. There's drug test you can administer to see if someone was stealing signs and you can't really give a lie detector test. I guess you could right but those don't seem very reliable anyway so it's a little different in that respect but it's also similar in the sense that everyone sort of assumes that it has a huge effect act but at least in some cases it certainly doesn't seem to and with the PD players. I think the evidence for PD's instead mister it's helping a there are singular guys who really seemed to benefit at the same time that they built up and we know that they were doing this stuff and they're aging curves are just so a typical that they got incredibly better at an age when players get worse. That's really the most compelling evidence. Yes I think for. The effect of steroids on the whole is that that whole era was really strange and an outlier in terms of the aging patterns of players and the fact that players aged more gracefully. And we're good at later ages during that PD era that is probably the best evidence that it really was working in a big way. Of course that's hitters. Were talking about and pitchers were taking the stuff too so tart to square that but I think that really stands out as okay. This is the smoking gun that this era was different. Because of that. Because you can't necessarily just look at the level of offense because there were other things going on at that time too and maybe the ball had changed and so it's hard to isolate the effects there but yet you can't point to a single player. Her as evidence of science doings effectiveness the way that you can with Steroids Barry Bonds. Let's say so in that sense not as clear cut case as but I agree as you said as Alex would tweeted that it seems like knowing what pitch is coming should be more advantageous. I guess yes unless the way that you find out which pitches coming is somehow more distracting than not knowing in the first place. Yeah or yeah exactly so. There are three three kind of assumptions. That if you're trying to find the effect on the Astros you have three assumptions that you can make based on MLB findings. I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think these are all in mobis finding so we know when it started right. We know that it did not start. It was not happening in two thousand sixteen or even the first month of two thousand seventeen so we know no one it started. We basically know when it ended when we know if MLB's investigation is accurate that they weren't doing it in two thousand nineteen right and we we know that the Astros claim that they quit doing it on their own because it wasn't working right or because they felt like it wasn't working so those are three fairly powerful will in two cases they give us the parameter so it's very easy to study before and after Ele I guess the fourth thing is that we know that the scheme that the scheme as it was designed was only at home well to begging scheme was only at home things seem is only at home the replay room video monitor stuff was presumably everywhere everywhere. Although that would only be effective with a runner on second base right yeah so it. It's less less elaborate. And less all encompassing sort of stealing. Yeah so so. And so that would not apply to most pitches. And so you were talking about. You know. Ten Times as many pitches at home as as on the road and so given all those you you know three of those give you kind of control group not a pure control group but before and after or a homeless away and the fourth one is just you know pretty powerful data like the one of the things that you could always say about steroids. If you tried to argue that. They weren't that you know well. The research hasn't shown as much instrument affect as you would think. Well then why did all these players WanNa take it where they just all dumb where they just all under this like you know delusion so in the same way though. It's kind of powerful that the Astros would have stopped doing it when they didn't have to. It's powerful evidence that maybe they actually didn't feel as comfortable doing it so anyway. The the point being though that we don't know of any of those four things are true like what were stuck in this state of having like a lot of really good information mation but not actually knowing that we have all the accurate information. Maybe some of this stuff was lying. Maybe it was. It was incompletely reported. Maybe the you know. Maybe he didn't really want to investigate much more than that. And so we'll never really know whether we actually have the right information about those things and so even though it seems like we have these great assumptions. You can't really assume you can't put too much weight on any of them It's also possible that if they really did stop doing it because they thought it wasn't working as well anymore which you have to take with a slight grain of salt there because that's sort of a self serving explanation but even if that really was the reason it could be because other teams teams had adjusted and were obscuring their signs and so it just wasn't working as well anymore whereas with steroids. PD's there's nothing that another team really can do to counter that so that's possible too although there were other players in that report who said that it was distracting. And that's it's why they didn't think it was as effective as as you would assume but again they would say that. Yeah they would they would go. Yeah like I think maybe be you and make mentioned lots of people from the steroids era. WHO also did a lot of steroids would say for a decade? That didn't really help them. Yeah Yeah Yeah like McGuire said that I guess what he said was that it didn't help him. Hit more home runs but it seemed like he was saying that didn't give him the ability to but it took it for like health reasons and to stay on the fields. which even if it were only that it's still helped you hit home home runs because it helped you be in the lineup? So that's not completely consistent but anyway all right one more here. This is from Jacob also patriots supporter. When does baseball history and I remember from college having conversations about when history and did that is how long in the relative if passed an event had to have happened for it to be a historical event and not a current event? I promise this as a real historic graphical question there even articles about it and he likes us to one point being that a certain amount of time needs to go by before the dust settles and the participants fade away so that people can consider something with historical sobriety. I've traditionally held at Baseball and sports in general doesn't work that way. Anything in the past at least anything in previous season is history when someone is the first person in history to do a baseball thing. We mean ever not ever minus the last ten years. We generally don't differentiate much between recent past and ancient history. Although I guess in in your case you consider baseball history to have begun in nineteen eighty eight or real modern baseball history and continues. I've had a couple of things. Come up that have made me question that lately league I was Salmon Benz conversation about the Astros signed stealing and how it felt different than the white sox story from the eighties because the 2017 world series is less historical as the players involved are all still down. The team is largely intact and the dust hasn't settled. So how far back would we need to go for it to feel like a historical event with twenty twenty ten feet long enough. Two thousand five second has been the hall of fame voting because the hall is Baseball's Loan Allowance for historical epoch. Making you can't get inducted until five years after playing which is weird because baseball is otherwise so eager to end history. Yesterday is five years ago the time it takes to render something historical in baseball if the the giants had cheated to beat the royals and the twenty fourteen world series. Had We feel about learning that now so when this baseball history and in your mind's Well when does it end in your mind. Well already seen what your which colors my opinion on this. So if I hadn't seen your answer I don't know I probably would've said something nebulous about if the team is still intact like if the players are still in the same place and and that cuts but that would be much more recent than my answer. My answer was yes essentially when all when all the players with with maybe an exception or two you are are retired. So they're they are no longer active. They can no longer be running around sprightly being elite athletes on a baseball field. They have to be a Retired and therefore of the past. And so you can have an exception. I think I like Albert. Pools for instance has been playing since two thousand one and he's still playing playing but I set the date at I think I I think I've come down on in in the current moment. Two thousand five is the most recent year of of actual history that the white sox winning that world series that world series those four starters all that to me that feels like history. I'm I'm on the fence about the two thousand six two thousand seven seasons. I could go as late as two thousand seven. I think though that two thousand eight is history to me. Two Thousand Eight is still current. Yeah well maybe there's a subjective personal element to this. Where like I remember? Mike pesca talking on the gist. He was interviewing a couple history. Professors serves and he was saying how to him everything before he was born. Basically feels like history or ancient history. Like there's no clear distinction in his is mind between things that happened two hundred years before he was born in two years before he was born in in terms of how much they feel like history to him as opposed to the present and and so I could see how for some fans something that happened in their lifetime or something that happened when they were a really active baseball fan or in our case I guess something that we covered or were aware of during the time that we were professionally writing and thinking about baseball maybe that affects your your perception of when the cutoff for history is so. I think there's something to that. Like if I remember seeing it and it still in I I don't know colored. TV and it's HD. And I was around in the world that the time. Maybe that's something that would influence me to some extent but I think your Roth is pretty good because yeah if I found out something about the two thousand five world series. I don't know if I found out that that team was cheating that to me. That's just it seems recent enough in my mind that that might still seem like a story to me but I think like the Astros is is different like finding out about something that happened in twenty seventeen in two thousand nineteen. I think that's even different from finding about something that happened in say twenty thirteen in two thousand nineteen just because like we know that next season we're going to be watching that team and those players. It's largely the same people and there's something about that that I think is different from even if it had been just a few years earlier but I it's it's probably like a might. Just be kind of like a linear curve rate where the amount of outrage and the degree to which it would feel like a scandal and drama would just kind of fall off slowly by year rate like I doubt it would be like Oh it was twelve years ago ho-hum and whereas Was Eleven years ago. This is something we care about. It might just sort of slowly tail off so I don't know that anyone would think of it in these terms of that was history and this is not but but I like your if all the players are gone then it seems like almost well there. There's no victim who still around to sort of pity or perpetrators to be angry at them. Yeah I believe that Brandon McCarthy was the final player ear from two thousand five white sox to retire and he is retired so I drank that they are now in the past. All right then I re I just I just read the the relevant section of the Commissioner's report and so I had a misunderstanding here so just to clarify. We don't know why they quit doing the banging scheme or maybe we do. But it's not in the paragraph that I'm reading I I don't know it so I don't mean to a represented that we do know it prior to the two thousand eighteen season. Okay so now. We're in two thousand eighteen. The investigate okay. So the investigation uncovered no evidence that Astros players utilize the banging scheme in two thousand eighteen. However the Astros Replay Review Room staff continued for at least part of the two thousand eighteen season but at some point during the two thousand eighteen season the astros stopped using the replay review room to the code signs because the players no longer believed it was effective and so they did not necessarily summarily voluntarily? quit doing the banging scheme. We don't know why they quit doing that. Maybe they thought they were can get caught. Maybe it became technically impossible. They voluntarily or at least according to the report I quit doing the replay reviews scheme which is a much again like a much smaller subset of pitches and quite possibly is not worth the trouble especially because in order to relay the signs to the batter. You have to do something visible to everybody and on camera which might not seem that different than banging trash can that the whole stadium can here her But DOES SEEM TO BE PRETTY I. It's a little risky and so so to clarify that. Yeah is it clear in the report just to clarify in my mind at least whether they only did the being scheme at home or whether they did some equivalent of that everywhere. Yeah yeah so it's not that I see. Explicitly stated in the way that it is described is consistent with the way that it is described in the original reporting the athletic which that reporting said that it was only used at home. However the way that it's described doesn't make it clear that it was only used at home and it doesn't doesn't make it clear that it couldn't have been used on the road and so yeah? It's I think there's room here to to say that we don't know for sure right. So they were using a a feed from the center field camera and according to this the Centerfield camera was primarily used for player development purposes and was allowed under. MLB rules at at the time when used for that purpose it doesn't explicitly say that a visiting team wouldn't have access to that Centerfield camera although if it is something that was allowed for player development purposes and. I'm not sure that they would but the camera itself was okay. What was not okay was using it for science dealing in putting the monitor up the tunnel to relay the signs in real time so I don't know whether they would have been able to install a video monitor? You're in the tunnel in a visiting clubhouse when they were just there for a single series or something. So I guess it's not conclusive. It's sort of suggested that this this was at home but doesn't conclusively rule out the idea that they were doing something other than the video. Room Monitor elsewhere. Yeah okay all all right. I had one more question left on my sheet of questions to answer here so I will do it. Solo this is from. Stephanie are Patriots supporter. I have a question about baseball and politics. Politics as you pointed out one congressman called for congressional hearings unsigned stealing and since then the city of Los Angeles my beloved crazy hometown approved a unanimous resolution to strip the Astros and red sox off their titles and award them to the dodgers rob Manfred by the way said. No thanks. This got me thinking it seems like politicians are more likely to wade into into baseball and other sports. Is that true if so why. Why is baseball more appealing to politicians? Then say football or other popular. US sports so first of all. I'll say I don't know if it's true. It does seem sort of true to me but I follow baseball disproportionately and so I would be much more aware of baseball stories like this than I would have other stories. So I'm not going to completely corroborate this impression but I will say that if it is true. I have a few theories for why that would be so for one thing. Baseball has a pretty pretty old white audience may be even an old white male audience and there are a lot of old white and old white male politicians so just demographically speaking. They might be predisposed to be more interested in baseball than other sports. It's also true. That older people vote at a higher rate and so politicians might think their constituents are are more interested in baseball than some other sports. There's also baseball's antitrust exemption which is something that sets it apart from other sports and gives congress and excuse to stick its nose into baseball's business and lastly I would say that even though baseball is maybe not literally America's national pastime anymore it is called the national pastime it sort of tied up with the country's history in unique ways expression as American as baseball and Apple Pie and so because baseball is so closely associated with American history and American values. I think that makes it even easier for politicians to point out problems with baseball sometimes sanctimoniously but I think because of that connection. There is a sort of idealistic Eddie. Listrik way of thinking about baseball that maybe isn't applied as often to other sports. It's also true that there's a lot of baseball language. What a baseball metaphors that are used by politicians Titians? I've mentioned a great grantland article on that subject by Bryan Curtis which will link to again on the show page today so those are my theories. Hope that helps Stephanie. I don't know enough to say whether it's been more public funding of baseball ballparks than there has been of other sorts of sports stadiums that might be another recent but that does bring to mind another possible reason which is that there are just more markets in the country with professional baseball in them because of the minor leagues and how many Minor League teams are in. There's no exact equivalent of the Minor Leagues Leagues for other sports and so baseball does directly impact more communities than other sports in this country. Do I suppose you could say at least on the professional level so that could be another cause of some of the political interest. By the way I meant to mention when Sam gave his facetious hypothetical earlier about voter who would not vote for Peter out of protest because because bobby glitches and in our Lou Whitaker is in. If someone were to do that I would not consider that a valid reason to withhold a vote for jeeter not really fair to punish jeeter for voters bad decisions about other candidates in the past if someone were doing that as sort of a message non vote. You'd think that they would have disclosed their ballot publicly so that they could make a cause of it I could see some value in that in certain years again if unanimity doesn't really matter that much. It's kind of a victimless crime. And you just wanted to stumped for Lou Whitaker and say hey this is comparable player. He fell off. The ballot is still not in the hall. You know you're going to get a ton of publicity if you're the one person who didn't vote for Jeeter and so it might actually be somewhat effective if you could lay out a strong case for why Whitaker and jeeter are similar or equivalent. And so you're just doing it for the publicity I almost. I admire that in a way I wonder if it would backfire. And people would just be mad at Lou whittaker for causing nece. Unwittingly but if someone didn't vote for Jeeter just because they're so small hall that Turkey doesn't deserve induction in their minds. That's just an unreasonable standard. That I don't think anyone should have all right so that will do it for today. I didn't get to explain Any baseball Internet news to Sam today of sort of enjoyed that it's been like a reply. All Yes yes no episode where I tell him. WHO's on vacation? What's going on on baseball twitter and try tried to translate that to him but I think next time with meg? We'll get into the NERONHA drama. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 399: Hall of Fame Update, Thoughts on 2021 Start Date

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 399: Hall of Fame Update, Thoughts on 2021 Start Date

"Golden state the concepts baseball podcasts. We cover everything major league from sprint tree to the world series. Got your favorite club. Cover from new york to boston to this. Is the golden state media concepts baseball. Podcast Hello and welcome to another edition of the mcc baseball. Podcast brought to you by the gsm. See podcast network. I'm your host. Kevin mahala kids. Monday december twenty first. Thanks for listening everyone. Hopefully you guys had a great weekend out there. It was fantasy football playoff weekend to begin. We had a great game. thursday night. Chargers raiders back to back game. Saturday the packers won as well as the buffalo bills who looked to make the playoffs back to back. Ten win seasons here for the first time in forever but good for buffalo as well as it was championship weekend on the college gridiron. The playoffs will be set here. This upcoming tuesday. It certainly looks like it's going to be one alabama to clemson three ohio state and then four notre dame so a fantastic football weekend but this is of course the baseball podcast in. What's going on in the baseball world right now. Well really. there's not a lot to get into during the holidays. Of course christmas being this week. Hanukkah's underway the new year's coming next week the week after finally we'll get twenty twenty into the rear view mirror here but ultimately through the next couple of weeks post winter meetings the holiday season. Coming up here Things slow down when it comes to concrete transactions. I don't anticipate A trade of lynn door or assigning of springer or bauer or any of those guys really depict their destination here during the holiday season the next couple of weeks and because of that. I'm going to start off. Today's episode. we're going to have a little bit of hall of fame conversation because they voting is currently taking place and will continue through the end of twenty twenty. We will then know who will be in the class in the month of january. But i did want to keep you guys updated on what's going on Then we're gonna have some fun in segment number two talking about all of the best players who are not hall of famer will go team by team and then position by position to give you guys. A list of people who ultimately fell short than in segment number three. We'll get into news and notes and then we're going to wrap things up with a little bit more of conversation around the potential delay in twenty twenty one and what the owners are looking for from the players union. But if you're listening to this thanks again for joining us please. rate and review subscribe. But let's get into it here so twenty. Twenty one hall of fame class voting. What's going on here. Of course everybody knows who is on the ticket by now. I'll certainly discuss some names and ultimately what's going on here but just big picture side of things A couple initial reactions or thoughts on what's going on and the new coming class that the class that is first time. Eligible is honestly pretty weak on this side of things The last couple of years we've had people voted with their first time. Derek jeter of course is close to unanimous. Is you can get but it looks like for the first time in a handful of years. None of the The new guys the first timers are going to get elected let alone potentially even fall off the ballot. Because you have a lot of guys who are on the list now. That are very good great players. But i don't know if they're hall of fame caliber. You're looking at the likes of tim. Hudson mark burleigh from the starting pitcher perspective. Both of those guys were fantastic. No hitters long careers championships. But again i don't feel hall of fame when i'm reading those types of names on the offensive side of things torii hunter shane victorino rama's ramirez again. Great guys. i recognize the name quality players. But i'm not sure that their hall of fame worthy inconsideration and in order to stay on the ballot for an additional year. You do need to receive at least five percent of the vote to maintain your status going into the next year. So could there be a couple of guys short. I mean burly hudson torii hunter. They probably have the best chance alternately of making it but a few guys honestly could fall off after a year. Moving forward and looking at the current updated voting. There are forty six public ballots which is about thirteen percent currently in. There's a website out there. Bb h. o. F. tracker dot com that basically puts it all together so if you guys listening to this here later in the week over the holidays and you want to see where things currently stand because this is the sunday the twentieth Where i'm reading these two youself currently under the five percent. We have letroy hawkins. Michael could dire dan herron. Nick swisher barry zito. Aj burnett in shane. Victorino have yet to receive a vote in regards to the forty six public ballots. You have a rama's ramirez at two percent. Tim hudson at four percent and then mark burleigh and torii hunter at six and eight percent so currently burly and hunter would remain on the ballot. And of course. Tim hudson seems to be right on the fringe there. So one or two guys sold separately out of the newcomers. You could even see remain on the ballot and this goes into a bit of a bigger conversation where the past couple of years. A lot of it has been that. There's more than ten worthy guys on this ballot. So i vote for all of them. That i think are deemed worthy. Do i vote the lower side of things to make sure they continue to increase. Because i believe you know the top end is going to get in without my vote. Or do i vote for the top guys and hopefully the bottom level that i still feel is hall of fame. Worthy will remain on the ballot in continue to make progress because based on the past. What do we have here. I think it is six or seven classes since twenty thirteen which did not have a representative. It went classes of three four two three four four and two so at least two guys every year with an average of three basically a across the last six years. And there's probably a few people listening to this going. Oh my goodness three people a year getting into the hall of fame. It should be for the best of the best and are we watering down. Who should be accepted into cooperstown and ultimately if you look back at every single one of those guys that was enshrined i. I believe they're all worthy. I mean yeah maybe one or two of the players depending on how your stance is on average innings pitched whoever it is you could probably have a conversation around a couple of them but for the majority eighty or ninety percent. i do think those guys ultimately Deserve to be in the hall of fame but now here on this ballot. I it seems to be a consensus of if you're not in the pd crowd of voting in the likes of barry bonds roger clemens and those which will will talk about here in more detail in a moment. But you're not gonna have of ten so you know truly it is back to where it looks like one or two individuals could be making the jump to cooperstown this year and really the biggest conversation being had and the gentleman who is really the only one that is seen to really have a chance. At this is kurt. Schilling and curt schilling is in his ninth year on the ballot and he has increased each of the last four years of round ten percent so he went from forty five to fifty one but then he jumped to sixty one and then seventy and of course you need seventy five percent to get into the hall of fame and again. He is going to be right there. And it's not for a conversation of on the field accomplishments you know. This is where the conversation gets a little murky yet again. You have the pd guys and then you have what people deem the the character influences ounces. You know you had dick allen who. We just spoke about in a previous podcast when he passed away. About how the animosity between himself and the media and potentially teammates led to the delay and kind of you know his his accomplishments being acknowledged well kurt cheer curt schilling's similar style. I mean he has a ton of tweets out there from his post career that a lot of people disagree with or don't feel the same way. I was listening to buster olney on the baseball tonight. Podcast and he talked about his time with kurt at espn and how they had multiple political conversations to where they went away from that conversation. Not agreeing on a whole lot right like yeah but again he says if you look at just on the field statistics on the field accomplishments curt schilling certainly deserves to be in the hall of fame and just some brief numbers on kurt's career not kind of individuals statistics but he led the league in wins twice. He led the league in complete games. Four times innings twice strike outs twice. Whip twice which is walks and hits per innings pitched his strikeout to walk ratio led the league five times. He's got over three thousand strikeouts. He finished second in the cy young voting three different times. And you know when you go into his list of ranking his fifteenth strikeouts to with and war and you know so on and so forth so if you go by the jaws system and for those of you who don't know the jaw system. It's a book by jay. Joffe that breaks down all of the hall of fame metrics than statistics that have been used for previous pitchers to be awarded into the hall of fame and according to that metric curt schilling is the twenty seventh best pitcher of all time so certainly based on his numbers and then obviously his post season success. He had nineteen playoff starts in which he went. Eleven in two to three. Era point nine seven. Whip one hundred and twenty strikeouts to only twenty five walks. Four complete games to shouts and mvp world series mvp three world series so The guy on paper not knowing anything about him as a person certainly reads hall of fame worthy. And i believe should get it and it's going to be very close because again as things continue to improve as some of the older writers move on in lose their ballots eligibility and more of the younger crowd. The millennial crowd continues to gain eligibility. It it does seem that. There's a trend in the positive direction for those from the pd class for those from the the character side of things. I mean the two huge names to listen to or to look at here when it comes to p. d.'s. And potentially getting in this year next. Is roger clements. In berry bart's now they've continued to improve Their percentage of ballots over the last four years. But it hasn't been at the pace that curt schilling has you know. They've only gone up about four percents each year to the likes of last year with sixty one percent for clements and sixty point seven for barry bonds. So you do see that. The number is increasing. More and more people seem to be getting lenient as time moves forward because the the other side of the conversation is if you weren't okay with steroids when bonds and clemens were in their second year on the ballots why would you be okay with it. Now when they're on their eighth ninth and tenth year on the ballots. Why are we changing our outlook. If you are the same voter during the course of those eight years and you go no no no yes. yes What happened during that transition. There that ultimately changed your outlook on letting pd users into the hall of fame. So it's gonna be fascinating to see where their percentages and up and again here. As of december twentieth looking at their percentages here curt schilling is at seventy percent. So right where he was last year. Hasn't ticked up yet so again he's gonna be right on the fringe and kind of a fascinating story but the story line early i see is barry bonds and roger clemens both at sixty eight percents And again that would be up from sixty and if they find themselves at sixty eight here on the eighth or ninth ballot. I think by their final in tenth and again next year of curt schilling finishes short. I think there will be enough of a crowd that says hey on your final time. This is when we're going to let you in ultimately just wanted to make you wait for those ten years and sweat it out. You know ultimately i guess is what they're thinking but i'd put all three of those guys in holtom it just based on their careers and what they did for the game of baseball. Yes of course but you know everybody knows. Everybody knows that era of baseball live ball era. Pd era going through cooperstown. I don't think is going to kinda denotes what the rest of the hall of fame has done so the rest of the pd crowd. Sheffield sosa. ramirez you know. They're still on the ballot but they're at let's see manny ramirez forty two percent gary sheffield thirty six percents. And let's see sammy sosa. He is at twenty two percents Of course he had the pd's and then the cork back well so one guy may ultimately make it here. There are some people generating some buzz and some positive. Momentum omar viviscal his fourth year on the ballot. But he's doing well so far and he is up to forty six percent. This year scott rowland also in his fourth year he's trending upwards. He is at fifty four percent so far this year. billy wagner. He has jumped up to forty four percent here this year. Which is a big leap from his past. Couple of ballots. And then you have todd helton as well up to fifty percent so far this year so looks like he may have an outside chance to come in late here but names down at the bottom of the ballots. Could they make some ground. You have jeff kent. He's at eighteen percent. Currently bobby bray you at eighteen percent. An andrew jones at thirty percents so well those guys be able to make some gains here as the ballots. Continue to trickle in here over the course of the next ten days and once everything becomes final. We'll discuss it with you guys here on the gsm mcc baseball podcasts. But that'll do it for segment number one. Thanks again for tuning in everybody. We certainly appreciate it. Let me know with your thoughts in the comments. If you think bonds and clemens should get in ultimately curt schilling where you stand on that. I'd certainly love to hear from you guys out there but we'll step aside now for a word from one of our sponsors and one of our sisters shows when we come back. We'll continue our hall of fame conversation talking about all of the best players who are not enshrined in cooperstown. Stick around everyone. We'll be right back. This is your ultimate staffer. Everything sports the golden state media concepts boards podcast. More from the nfl mlb. The nba two mma. All in here. Golden state media concept's sports podcast. Listen mr back and thanks again for listening to the mc baseball podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I'm your host. Kevin mahalick if you guys having check this out on social media yet. Police do me a favor head over to facebook. Twitter instagram linked in check out. The gs mcc baseball podcasts. As well as just the mc podcast network a lot going on both pages. The baseball podcast. Obviously keep you guys up to date on everything. Major league baseball minor league baseball college baseball international baseball. All the baseball you can gets work covering it and then the podcast network will let you guys know what's going on in basically everything else news politics. Whatever it is they got you covered so do us a favor and do that We certainly appreciate it here within the network but here in segment number two of today's episode. I wanted to continue our conversation around the hall of fame and My friends over at major baseball dot com or mlb dot com. They recently did a survey of mlb dot com beat writers so basically the writers reporters who cover each team and have done so for a quote unquote significant amount of time. Well they asked all of these guys to basically say. Hey who's the best player from this franchise not currently in the hall of fame. And they do have three subcategories. One of them is that they're not yet eligible and on the ballots. You'll see a couple of those currently on the ballots and then no longer on the ballot. So you have guys who just finish playing have five ten years out and then of course guys from the eighty seventy s and so on here. But i'm gonna start on a team basis kind of go around to have some fun with it but here in the american league east division by division. We'll start out with the blue jays was dave stop. Steve s. t. i. e. Be a right handed pitcher. He's no longer on the ballot. He's the blue jays all time leader with winds. With hundred and seventy-five starts at four hundred and eight in an innings pitched with two thousand eight hundred. Seventy three so said blue. Jays fans are very appreciative of what he did through the eighties. But across baseball. Certainly doesn't get the respect. He deserved seven time. All star and one hundred and seventy five games again for the blue jays so now going over to the baltimore orioles. Let's see here. We have rafael palmeiro. He is no longer on the ballots. And you know. He fits right into that. P. e. d. conversation. Think will you will based on that. But he's one of six major leaguers in the history of baseball with at least three thousand career. Hits and five hundred. Home runs so The life-long oriole. Everybody knows what kind of player he was. I it's just a matter of his ties to pd's and ultimately how that took him off the ballot rather quickly but the raise tampa bay rays. We have fred mcgriff. Who's no longer on the ballots. Five time all star three times silver slugger world series champ twenty four. let's see two thousand four hundred and ninety hits four hundred and ninety three home runs so like palmeiro certainly a guy who hit for average as well as power there for tampa bay so those are two huge names that certainly i know in recognize and again a little surprise. They fell short but the boston red sox. Here's one where not yet on the ballots. We have david ortiz. He's one of four players all time with five hundred home runs and six hundred doubles cell. He played for a long time at the age of forty. He had major league leading. Forty eight doubles soapy s. All of that good stuff. So he'll be on the ballot next year and the conversation will be is the first ballot hall of famer going to have to wait until you know rounds to three or four to potentially get in there but i certainly think ortiz will make it to cooperstown helping the red sox and their world series droughts and then when a couple more titles big papi. There in boston will get in sooner than later next. We have the new york yankees. They came back with alex. Rodriguez he is not yet on the ballot. As well of course is six hundred ninety. Six career home runs is fourth all time twenty two year career three time american league. Mvp over thirty one hundred hits fourteen time all star ten time silver slugger two time gold glove winner. Everybody knows a-rod. Everybody has their opinions on alex in ultimately where they fall. So i'll let that went up for you guys listening out there. It's ultimately decide which side you're on with a rod. And whether or not he gets into the hall. Or if he's got his ten years like roger clements and barry bots but transitioning to the american league central. Let's see here the cleveland indians. We have kenny lofton. No longer on the ballot. He is one of seven players all time with six hundred steals in one hundred home runs so he had occurred a career. Hit line of two ninety nine. My man finished right under the three hundred mark there but that wasn't enough to convince the hall of fame voter sultan mentally to get him it for the royals. We have frank white. Who's no longer on the ballots. Five time all star eight time. Gold glove winner one of the greatest defensemen a defensive second baseman. Excuse me in baseball history. Of course there in kansas city Back in the eighties nineteen eighty s. Mvp award winner for the tigers. The detroit tigers. We have lou whitaker second basement. Nine hundred seventy eight american league rookie of the year winner. Five time all star three time. Gold glove winner four time silver slugger. He is no longer on the ballot of course but certainly had a fantastic career there in detroit to speak about so. He ended up just short minnesota. We have joe mauer who is not yet eligible on the ballot. He'll be there and twenty twenty four. I do think he will get into cooperstown. He was a catcher then moved to first base fifteen year career. So he won't be a first ballot guy. But i do think over time he will ultimately get in to cooperstown the chicago white sox it is minnie minoso who is no longer on the ballot. He played seventeen seasons across five decades as a key factor. Here that's certainly fascinating to hear. He logged at bats in nineteen sixty four nine thousand nine hundred seventy six at the age of fifty and then in nineteen eighty at the age of fifty four so man that is just fascinating out of the guys fifty four. Get an at bat in nineteen eighty. I'd love to hear from you out there. If you're alive or remember that let me know. Tell me about minimum also and why he ultimately was called back as a fifty four year old for the chicago. White sox so the american league west now we start out with the angels. We have bobby rich. No longer on the ballot. Six time all star four time gold glover as well as silver slugger. I played ten of his seventeen years with the angels. So certainly deserve any at a seventy one wins above replacement which would put them at eighth all time at second basement and ahead of some guys were in the hall of fame. He certainly had an argument and should be known. As one of the best players the houston astros lance berkman. He's no longer on. the ballot. Is fifty two wins above replacement. Is i ever among switch hitters with fewer than one thousand nine hundred games played so he had eighteen hundred and seventy nine regular season games over the course of fifteen seasons but fell very short set as he only received one point. Two percent of the votes in that caused him to fall off the ballot. The oakland athletics mark. Maguire no longer on the ballot. Five hundred eighty three home runs eleventh all time. Of course everybody knows. Mark maguire his time with the athletics in the eighties and then the cardinals in the nineties but throw him in there with the pd d. conversation in ultimately how you feel so the mariners there be writers came back with a rod as well We talked about him previously. But nobody else really from seattle is at that level. Each row will be a no brainer. Of course here coming up shortly but beyond that they came back with a rod so the rangers adrian bell trae. He's not yet on the ballot. He will be all famer. He's eligible and twenty four so he should be an automatic. First ballot guy One of all time with four hundred fifty home runs six hundred doubles One of the best third baseman ever in the history of baseball. So hail certainly get in here in the near future for the braves. We have dale murphy. He's no longer on the ballots to time. Nl mvp award winner in one thousand nine hundred eighty two and eighty three seven time all star four time silver slugger five time gold glove winner across twenty four seasons average. Thirty six home runs during the eighty seven. I mean the guy was certainly as good as it gets and I played baseball with his kid. Growing up collegiately in one of our summer leagues. So i met. Dale murphy spoke with him. He was one of the nicest guys. And this kid was one of the nicest kids too so shout dale murphy and murph. If you're listening what's going on your dad should have been in the hall for man. So the marlins gary sheffield. He is currently on the ballot. Five hundred and nine home runs as well as a forty two home run season with the marlins back in ninety six. Of course everybody's remembered that hit she had going but the guy's got a chance and he's looking to continue the momentum like we spoke about in the first segment the new york mets keith hernandez snow longer on the ballot. Eleven time gold glove award winner. He also won the mvp in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine and his arguably the best defensive first baseman ever according to the metrics and the people that watched him so he was the heart and soul of the eighty. Six champion for the mets and people believe that he should be enshrined in cooperstown in washington. You have jeff reardon. Ray handed pitcher no longer on the ballot. He has three hundred sixty. Seven career safes. Which is tenth in major league baseball history so the guy was a closer and ultimately came off the ballot in two thousand when the relief pitchers or bullpen guys. Maybe weren't this highly regarded as they are in today's game and saves were kinda thing and not earned in regards to You know having the respect of being the tenth best at that didn't carry a lot of merits when it came to the the voting taking place we have the philadelphia phillies dick allen. Who again we just spoke about. Recently he passed the first baseman sixty four rookie of the year. seventy two. Mvp seven time. All star of course recently recognized by the phillys haven't his number retired and it is said that he will get in the hall of fame by the veteran committee votes here in the upcoming near future. So the central we have the brewers going with c. So cooper no longer on the ballot first baseman thirty point. Eight war puts him fourth in brewers history. He is one who is very good for milwaukee but Not up to the ranks of some of these other individuals. We spoke about the cardinals. Scott rolen of course currently on the ballots. His war of seventy point one is ninth best among third baseman. All time again he's continued to increase. So we'll see here over the course of the next couple of seasons if he makes a move same for the cubbies. Sammy sosa currently on the ballots. The only player in major league baseball history to hit sixty home runs in three different seasons and mcgwire sosa documentary. Although maybe a bit disappointing certainly reminded you of the greatness of sammy sosa and hidden. You know that hot that hot stride. He had there in the nineties so Steroids cork bats. Whatever you got for sammy. That's why he isn't making great progress. The pittsburgh pirates they voted for barry bonds of course currently on the ballots increasing. Willie get there. But the same. I believe will be said here for the giants barry bonds as well coming up for both of those or it's the cincinnati reds voted. Pete rose who's no longer on the ballot. Of course pete rose. Everybody knows what's going on there gambling and major league baseball. He is banned for life from baseball. Although he's the all time hits leader the all time games played leader the all-time at-bats leader. So everybody who follows. Baseball certainly knows that pete rose should be in. But of course has been left out of baseball entirely. So let's see here wrapping this up. Let's talk national league west diamondbacks curt schilling again. We just talked about him in detail. He may get in this year if not next year but he is the best diamond back who ultimately is not in the hall quite yet the l. a. dodgers voted adrian. Bell trae third baseman. He is not yet available. Of course like we said with the rangers. He's a fantastic third baseman. The giants went with barry bonds. The padre said gary sheffield who we've talked about already and then the rockies said todd helton who is currently on the ballot so one of eight players all time with three hundred and fifty home runs and at least three fifteen career batting average so todd helton certainly very very honorable mention there. So let's go around the diamond here. I got another source that through a couple of out here when it comes to positions behind the dish. Joe mauer not yet eligible or hape asada sada but they talked about a toss up between bill free and thurman munson. Both of those could be in with the veteran committees but are not currently first base. It was rafael palmeiro. Fred mcgriff todd. Helton mark maguire second base lou. Whitaker jeff kent bobby grinch on there as well third base. We have dick allen scott rolen. Of course we mentioned. Adrian bell trae shortstop omar vizquel who is on the ballot currently nomar garciaparra. Miguel tejada votes there for that position left field. Barry bonds speech rose manny ramirez. The three guys currently not in center field. We have kenny lofton. Jim edman sir. Andrew jones in the conversation and then in right field shoeless joe jackson. Sammy sosa reggie smith bobby a each row sheffield and then with the d. h. spot. We have how mcrae as possibly not getting in so starting pitchers roger clemens curt schilling kevin brown david cone. Johan santana andy. Pettitte mark burleigh relief. Dan quiz in berry is not in the hall of fame. But very good. Tom gordon amongst others spill wagner from the left side tug mcgraw so certainly all of those guys hall of fame conversations at least if not just shy of being worthy but hopefully you guys enjoyed that. I had some fun again. Not a ton to talk about across major league baseball. So i figured we'd start out with some hall of fame conversation. Read some names that we haven't talked about before here yet on the program but we'll step aside one more time here for word from our sponsor and our sister shows when we come back with segment number three. This is where we'll get into the news notes rumors what's going on. We'll get you guys up to date on everything across major league baseball so stick around everyone. I'm your host kevin mahalick. We'll be right back tired. Searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast cards from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stopped lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that. Podcast is whatever it may be visit. Www dot gs mc podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and google play again for listening to the mcc baseball. Podcast brought to you by gsm. See podcast network. i'm your host. Kevin mahalick only four days till christmas out there. Everybody man it is crazy. How quick the month of december is moving along here and twenty twenty. Of course we've had good news when it comes to cove in nineteen the corona virus. At least i believe it's good news. But that is both the visor and moderna vaccine have been approved for emergency use by the fda they are now being distributed. I first line workers. Healthcare workers are receiving their first shot to the fact seen. I have a cousin who is working in that world who recently received her vaccination and honestly. I was surprised to hear that thought it would take a lot more time than it did. But she has received her first dose everything. The feedback is going well here for the first couple of days. So hopefully light at the end of the tunnel as we're transitioning into twenty twenty one but hopefully your holiday shopping is going well. I spent some time this weekend wrapping a bunch of gifts for friends and family my three year old daughter going to enjoy santa coming here. She's starting to understand what's happening for the first time as well as we are currently in the hanukkah season. Eight days a phonics where we are depending on when you're listening to this but as of time of recording we're certainly in the hanukkah season and i wish everyone you guys happy holidays coming up out here. I'm not sure yet. If i will have an episode for thursday for the twenty th for you guys so. We may just kind of go monday monday here the next couple of weeks but ultimately i'd love to talk to you but again we're still trying to figure everything out as to when we're going to bring you guys content here over the holiday season so please continue to stay safe social distance. Where your mask do all that. Good stuff to try to mitigate the spread of this virus as we see the lights although it is still a quite dim at the end of the tunnel. I believe it is starting to get brighter for the first time here in quite a long time so Let's jump back into baseball here now. Let's advocaat around rumors news notes. What's going on across the league out there again not a ton of actual concrete signing currently taking place we did have a couple of gentleman sign The biggest one to talk about being michael wocka agreed to a three year. Or excuse me a three million one year deal with the tampa bay race. He comes over after spending twenty twenty with the new york mets. He went one four with a six six to era. He only had eight appearances. Seven of them were starts but he is only twenty nine years old. Of course everybody remembers waka during his time with saint louis He won the nfl c. S mvp as a rookie. Way back in two thousand thirteen and you know had a good career in saint louis went sixty and forty three with a four zero one. He was elected in all star in twenty fifteen so the race who lost charlie morton to the atlanta braves earlier in this offseason or kind of looking for again. That more veteran style of right hander. Who can come in get out. Spe- used in multiple different ways sin. They're taken a flyer on waka because again. The statistics last year were not that great but over. The course is seven starts. I mean that's a couple of months guys can certainly figure it out after correcting issue or finding a mechanical flaw over the course of one hundred and sixty two compared to sixty games as well so The race also announced that they agreed to terms with right. Hander chris ellis on a minor league level contracts while they announced the walk deal. So they're bringing in a plethora of arms down in tampa bay as they usually do and a lot of times the way they utilize Guys down there and you know their front office and how. They transitioned from scouting into Kind of implementation is stopped watching baseball so couple more lottery. Tickets down there for tampa. They'll try to cash in on a much more cost efficient basis. Because fifteen million. Charlie morton who was so so last year in tampa and only three from michael wocka if he bounces back. I is twelve million less for what the ever the difference is. They're in production for twenty twenty. So that's just tampa bay style of move a small market move taken place here this off season. The chicago cubs. They signed jonathan holder. Relief pitcher from the new york yankees He was non tendered by the yankees. After five seasons. He had a four three eight. Era over about one hundred and seventy five innings for the yankees. They let him go ultimately but The kobe signed him for seven. Hundred and fifty thousand when he makes the major league roster so i'm sure holder was guaranteed to get much more than that if he was tendered in arbitration based on his tenure in the big leagues. And this is something that we may see a lot of this. Offseason is guys who were kind of lined up to make two three four million dollars hitting the market and just being happy to have a job or a big league. Minimum of seven hundred fifty thousand so holder goes from the keys to the cubbies and he basically gets a low end contract on that side of things. But that's really it for the signing stake in place. Of course now. We'll talk about the rumors that are happening out there. One of the biggest ones includes former yankee and current free agent. Dj lemay hugh. Of course everybody knows the yankees have made it clear that they do wanna bring back. Lemay hugh his one of the biggest off season priorities but the guy also won the batting title in the american league after doing it in the national league so clearly. He's one of if not the best overall contact hitter in baseball doesn't strike out puts it in play. He did have a A small injury this year where he missed some time but truly has been known to stay healthy. Nba durable second baseman and that average from second base is something that you do not get from that position hitting three sixty four last year. Sell the yankees. Want to bring him back but the blue jays are heavily engaged with dj la mayhew and toronto blue jays. If you kind of put an ear to the ground and ask people what's going on across baseball. Who in the market could be aggressive. You get to dame's back for the most part. You get the new york mets and the toronto blue jays because the blue jays saw themselves take a step forward last year and ultimately make the playoffs. Yes it was right around five hundred record. But they got a ton of kids on this roster and they were able to offset it with a few veterans last year and they find themselves with a feeling of that they could be one or two guys away from ultimately challenging new york and the rest of the american league east because they see boston kind of going through a low right. Now you have tampa bay. Of course who's always good new yorkers fantastic but that third spot in that wildcard opportunity is up for grabs here when it comes to toronto. So what would they do with bogus. Shit you know you may find yourself asking. But he recently was on a podcast and spoke about dj. And how he was pretty much campaigning for a new double team partner. A new double play partner. The mayhew he said quote is the best hitter in baseball. And i don't even think it's close from what i've seen. He's probably the number one player. I'd wanna play within the league and quote so you're not going to upset boba shit by bringing in dj Mayhew but again the blue jays. They are rumored to be in on the mayhew springer. Rea- mutoko trevor. Bauer any of the top dollar guys in the market tampa bay seems to be kind of waiting around in the weeds. To kinda see what that price is and ultimately if they find themselves interested so keep an eye out on toronto or buffalo. Whatever you wanna call them. The blue jays are certainly engaging with free agents couple of other reports here. Let's bounce around a little bit. The cincinnati reds are listening to trade offers for castio and gray louis gas. Do sunny gray along with bauer was the three headed rotation monster but the red certainly look into to kind of restart rebuild and go a different direction. Based on some monetary issues. Sonny gray is owed roughly twenty million over the next two years while sto is entering arbitration for the first time so his his price tag will continue to increase over the next three years so people are calling cincinnati trying to figure out what it's going to take to get these guys but cincinnati is listening to offers now. Do i think castio goes anywhere. No i don't because you know his contract just entering arbitration will be much lower than that of what they're owed sunny gray but i do think gray could be on the again. I don't get it. I would hold onto sunny greg but i certainly think that People are having conversation around adding him so Dd gregorious could he be a backup plan for the yankees lemay signs elsewhere. I i don't know. I mean people are talking about how his his bat in the lineup gives them lefty balance they can move claiborne. Torres back to second base put didi beck at shortstop and i don't see it happening. I know how yankees fans feel about. Didi he had a great year. This year in philly. I'd love to bring him back to the phillies on a cost efficient contract. Maybe a two year deal. I do think. Dvd's looking for more long-term three to four year commitment even if it takes a couple of million dollars off the average annual value it will certainly increase the total guaranteed that he will get so. I don't think he ends up in new york. I don't think he ends up back in philly. I think you find some dollars out there. On the open market but the washington nationals they find themselves firmly entrenched in conversation around a couple of different guy mean first. Jt real mutel. it seems to be that The nationals potentially the blue jays phillies are really the only markets left for for catcher with type of dollar commitment to. It's the new york. Mets were one of the big ones but they decided to go with james mccann so that leaves the phillies feeling. Better about their chances. But the nationals. I mean they've been watching real mutual his entire career. His time there in florida and now in philadelphia They know what he's capable of. You know they know the type of player and type of person that he is so if that market falls at all i do think washington would love to Jump on the opportunity because they're committed payroll continues to decrease year over the next couple of years even though they do have commitments to stephen strasburg moving forward but they're sherzer. Money falls off the table. The rent don't money fell off the table. The harper money fell off the table so their salary commitments are less for twenty twenty one. Then they were in twenty twenty and it's a matter of whether or not ownership would okay or green lights deal such as twenty five thirty million dollars a year for the likes a real mutual or if they're trying to Pinch like the rest of the league. Certainly seems to be doing out there so blue jays phillies nationals. I believe or your final. Three for real mutel barring a mystery team maybe the rangers or the angels possibly going to have a feeler out there as well but i don't see this saga ending anytime soon. I mean harper and machado both went into february march looking for deals harbored in signed till the middle of spring training. So i don't think real mutual will wait that long. I do think if it's a new squad. He will want to report to get that report with his pitchers and catchers in the month of february. But i do think we're still four or five weeks away from ultimately finding out where real mutel will end up so the nationals though there are also having trade conversations with the reds about third baseman in guaynabo swore at s- nothing's imminent nothing is closed according to reports but prospects the nationals. Don't want according to jon. Heyman tweet is rutledge. Cavalli or garcia so swore as who struggled last year with the average only hitting two two did have fifteen home runs and that gives him a total of ninety eight over the course of the last three years. So a power hitter. Who's owed forty four point. Six million dollars over the next three or four seasons could be cost efficient if he continues on his upward trajectory and the reds again. If they're looking to shed salary looking to rebuild this is going to be one of the better ways to do it move on from our trade grey trade swore as and see what you can get form. 'cause the padres have shown interest in gray. They're one of the main teams rumored to be around due to the clever jer surgery as well as twenty million over two years. They deemed to be affordable in san diego. So i do think that's the one spot gray could lineup. However there is some concern because the pitching coach out. There was also in new york when sonny gray was and he had his struggle. So we'll they'll be able to Coexist in come together. We'll certainly find out but One last rumor here. let's see a couple of them. The pittsburgh pirates right hander. Joe musgrove is drawing significant trade interests. According to a report the angels blue jason. Red sox are firmly in the midst. So musk grove could be the latest pirate to find himself in a new home as they rebuild and rebuild and rebuild without ever actually building at a particular time it seems out there in pittsburgh lastly here we have the twins while they make a move. At shortstop ken rosenthal reported that a potential trade in the works for story orlando r- cannot be ruled out for minnesota as they look or at a potential short term fix in the In the free agent market. It'll be interesting to see if they ultimately come back but last year a lot i got one more is that zimmerman is looking to play in twenty twenty one ryan zimmerman sat out twenty twenty with covid concerns and he recently had the conversation with reporters that he is indeed looking to come back for the twenty twenty one season and probably play it out one last time there in washington now washington. A lot of rumors going on suarez real mutola zimmerman what's going on The nfl's the mets bauer door and the phillies real mute. So so the. Nfl east is where a lot of the conversations happen in with these teams trying to improve and trying to and catch the atlanta braves. Who made some nice moves early ensured up some holes but that'll do it here for the third segments of the mcc baseball podcast brought to you by the mc podcast network. We'll step aside one last time here for word from one of our sponsors and one of our sister shows but when we come back we'll talk about the possible delay to the start of the season. Twenty twenty one. I got some thoughts. I wanna talk to you guys about a little bit more so stick around. Everyone will be right back. Want to know the latest and soccer that listen to the golden state media concept soccer podcast from mls the world premier league. We've got you covered the latest. Update the hottest matches at news on the league's top players. It's the golden state media concept soccer. Podcasts listen mr back to the fourth and final segments of the. Gsm baseball podcast. I appreciate you guys listening in. It is monday december. Twenty firth coming up on the holidays here like we talked about. Stay safe out there. Everybody with the weather. Time getting crazy here as well here in philadelphia depending on where you were at. It was pretty amazing talking about this past storm in the city of philadelphia. They probably got four to six. I'm a little bit northwestern suburbs. I got six to eight and then if you continue north got eight to ten to twelve inches there so wherever you were at based on the temperature line and then across the river over there new jersey. They got a bunch of rain so for the first time we got snow this year. We're looking at still six inches outside a very white holiday season with all the holiday lights out there. The christmas lights. Everything looking very nice shines off the snow. It's certainly been fun. So i know people up in the northeast if you're listening to this in boston. New england new york. You guys got even more than we did down here in. This isn't the first one for you this winter. So hopefully you guys are making out okay. And if you're down south in florida if you're on the beach if you're out in the sun texas wherever having fun enjoying the winter weather quote unquote. I certainly envy you. But i appreciate you guys listening in here as well so Fourth and final segment. What are we going to talk about today. really again. Not a ton going on across baseball. So i wanted to continue the conversation around the potential delay to the twenty twenty one major league baseball season and again. Initially there have been reports that Major league baseball owners sent initial request to the union to push the data. The start date back about a month from the february into march again. This was initially declined by the players. Union without getting into any formal conversation or formal submit all's going back and forth again. What was the hot word there. In march april and may was proposal. I felt like i said that. A thousand times to you guys over the course of a couple of months but ultimately again the owners want to push back the start of camp for a couple of different reasons. But the more i think about it the more it just seems that there. There's too many steps. There's too many complications and they just need to kind of press on and move forward because the owners want to make sure that the entire staff is vaccinated before players report to camp as well as they would like the majority of players to be fascinated before they report to camp and again you hear this on the surface and you think to yourself okay. Yeah that's certainly seems fair. That seems like it would be ideal but then as you get further and further into the details or further and further into the weeds. More and more questions pop up because you cannot mandate that somebody take a vaccine and we've heard similar conversations across other professional sports leagues and just a brief pause. Here it it certainly is frustrating from a baseball fans perspective. And somebody who talks about the sport to you guys twice a week that it seems like the national hockey league who recently came up with an agreement for twenty twenty one they do so over candle lit fire and midnight oil and because it just pops up one day that hey the players in the owners have agreed to this season. Okay wait we didn't have a proposal and then a decline and then. a counterproposal. declined counterproposal. Go you know back and forth three four times. I'm sure you did but my point being is we didn't know anything about it. Nobody is reporting it. Nobody is talking about it because the two sides actually understand in respect each other and are not at each other's throats and sit down at the table with animosity already built up over the past five to ten to fifteen years and if both parties could just leave the room and leave the table completely they would but unfortunately they need the other side to get what they need done and you know the nba comes out with a shortened season out of the pandemic. They're not doing bubbles. They're not doing seasons in regards to series like three games here three games. They're they're jumping all around. They're able to figure it out. But also again i've heard well they're having follow up conversations around when the vaccine will be distributed. Who gets the vaccine what to do. If a person doesn't want the vaccine moving forward and with baseball we just get these broad brush over sweeping reports of well. The owners wanted to lay the year because they want everybody to get vaccinated before they show up. They do that. Not everybody has to get vaccinated and based on the number of employees and the polls around america in regards to you know standard population and their thoughts on the vaccine. Well you know. Put those percentages into those employers in Yeah i think you're going to have a handful of people who are very hesitant to receive the vaccine. Well you can't terminate them. You can't let them not show up for work. So what are you going to do with these individuals. Do you want to push the season back until at least eighty percent. Get the vaccination and you're looking at herd immunity based on your conversation with scientific experts. That have come out as well you know. Apparently the owners are talking to all of the experts within the scientific community and based on their conversation one month should be good. We'll be fine with a month. We've talked to the best of the best in logistically. Nothing will go wrong. Nothing's going to happen. I mean they're just it's frustrating from a fan's perspective to see first off billionaire owners. Continue to talk about how they're losing money this past season and i know i've talked to you guys about it quite a bit. But they're not actually losing money. They're just not gaining prophets to which they had projected previously so putting on a game makes them one hundred dollars in their pocket. Well this past year it only made them twenty five dollars so the owner said they lost seventy five dollars a game when ultimately they only made twenty five instead of one hundred so you have to watch the terminology yet. You have to kind of do your own research into understanding what exactly they mean. When they're saying certain things because owners people with money lawyers big-time guys know how to manipulate language to put across a story that they are trying to tell with a certain style effects. Ori certain style of message that makes you feel a certain way so for baseball to just continue to come out with these reports. Hey they're looking to push it back. They're not swell the players side of things everything we've heard and seen is when and where you know. That was the power. Move that these guys put together and twenty twenty when doing the negotiation was tell us when and where and they already know when and they already know where based on the agreement because last year they had an initial agreement when they sent everybody home from spring training and then it was the renegotiation of that agreement that basically caused all the fuss will this year. There is no initial agreement. The agreement is back to the original collective bargaining agreement. Which certainly means. Hey february twentieth. I'm here april first. We gotta start date. And if the owners want to push that that is basically going to be a lockout. That's basically what happened in the national football league ten years ago. You know i again. My roommate in college was drafted in twenty eleven by the jaguars but couldn't get involved in any off season programming. Due to the lockout it was not a strike from the players side of things. It was a lockout from the ownership style. And that's what we could see in baseball here. In two thousand and twenty the owners could lock out the players and say you're not allowed in until your fax innate aided and until we get to a percentage high enough that we feel we can continue. This is what's going to happen but if that is the case that is when the owners will lose money if they do lose games in time because players aren't playing at all that is negative right. That is not the plus twenty five compared to the plus one hundred that is a red minus number so i don't anticipate a lockout happening. I do anticipate some hostile conversations when it comes to ownership in the players association. Dd gregorious recently. Did an interview and he has a chronic kidney illness that he is battling which is why he decided to wear the mask while playing and in its entirety basically a lot of guys just did it while traveling. He did it out at shortstop he certainly feels that. If quote we can play through a pandemic we can play through anything and quote the players see. He's echoing what they're saying and what he's heard down there on the grass roots level so the players are not going to go through another shortened season. I mean they just lost sixty seven percent of their salaries last year so they now feel that the owners actually owe them and they don't know the owners anything as well want one hundred percent of their salaries even if the season is short. I don't think even pro ration- of hey you'll get ninety five percent 'cause you played ninety five percent of the game. I think they're gonna want one hundred percent of their money. No matter the games that they wanna play so they're going to put it back on the owner saying hey if it really isn't about health and safety you're gonna pay us and wait until where healthy and safe. You're you're not gonna pay us and wait for everything else to catch up with health and safety. You're going to keep paying us in that. If you wanna be true to your word in our health actually matters. Give me my money and let me stay home. I mean there's a lot of workers out there still in america working from home right now. Are they able to do their job. Well players would be working out. They'd be getting better. They'd be improving so it would be doing their job. Yeah sure absolutely and you know all of this as we kind of wrap things up here over the course of the last five minutes. None of this may even matter when it comes to owners and players because some of these decisions could be made at the local or state government level. I mean in the national football league. You have a no contact sports ban that not even professional teams are exempt from you. Have this san francisco. Forty niners playing football games in phoenix arizona at glendale because the state government will not allow them to do so at home. So what if this continues through january through february and teams who would be in california can't be there now of course. Spring training are mostly in the state of florida in the state of arizona but both of those cities and states have had increases in covid cases are some of the more open states when it comes to activities and being allowed to go out and do things so would owners and players want to go to florida to a hot spot to spend their time in spring training or where the conversation around having spring training at your local facilities. Be one that comes up again. I think the owners may want that due to cost and bringing everybody in but the players. I don't know if i would wanna have spring training in philadelphia in the month of february when they're still snow it's thirty degrees and everything else going on outside. Yeah that's why you go down south because the weather actually allows you to play baseball so the owners say then you gotta wait until you're vaccinated to do that and the players say no. We're going to do it anyway because we want to get paid so there is a lot of question marks continue to happen. I mean you have. Local government regulations can they. Can't they wear you know who what you then have vaccine conversations. Yeah owners want to wait. Swell players can't mandate vaccines. They don't all have to have it and you know even a secondary conversation there that we didn't talk about but Could it tear apart. Locker routes a lot of managers are currently being asked questions on how to handle the locker room around vaccines because it can. You can't make everybody get it so you know thirty five thirty guys in the clubhouse including staff managers all that good stuff thirty of them get vaccinated twenty five but the other ten the other five do not are they ostracize to the corner. Are the black sheep that nobody wants to be with. And you know those guys shower first. Then we gotta clean everything and then we're going to get out and shower ourselves and you know teams in politics. This was a conversation in football locker rooms this year. Who you're voting for your background could tear people apart in this continues into baseball season when it comes to politics vaccines how it happens. What the regulations are. Do people feel safe. And i want the rest of the guys to get it. But it's morally wrong or it's morally right. There's a ton going on below the surface level of just yeah. Let's play one hundred sixty two games instead of one hundred and thirty but from fan's perspective to put a bow on this in lieu of the holiday season is that you have to play one hundred and sixty two or at least you have to negotiate amicably right like the big takeaway like i said the nba. They figured it out. Not a ton of animosity. Here's what we're doing here so many games. Here's what's going on. Cool sweet all talk to you later. The nhl one night when you were sleeping said hey we figured all this out in the last four hours over coffee and hot chocolate. This is what we're gonna do next year. So i know that certainly not the case but again you didn't hear about the animosity the hatred going back and forth the cba. Yeah yeah yeah i mean. Even in football they've changed scheduled. They've played on wednesday. They've played on tuesday. They've played every day of the week. This year in the national football league and the players association is in crying player safety. Football isn't crying competitive in balance so baseball you guys need to come together here over the holidays and figure things out maybe send a zoom conversation so you can talk over some jingle bells some cocoa and whatever you guys need to do the figure this out because man. I just can't take another january february of we hate you. 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Hour 3 - Scott Zolak and Tony Clark (07-02-20)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Hour 3 - Scott Zolak and Tony Clark (07-02-20)

"You are listening to the Dan Patrick. Show on Fox sports radio. it's a disturbing trend, but it's happening. Students in Tuscaloosa Alabama, throwing parties to see who can get the corona virus. According to a report, students put money into a pot, and they are trying to get the corona virus. Whoever gets it first gets the pot. Congratulations. I hope it's not a trend. It is trending I. Hope this is not a trend. Final hour on this Thursday were down. Danette Paulie got an early start on his fourth of July weekend. We'll get phone. Calls also talk to Scott Zolak. He's a former NFL quarterback and the Patriots radio analysts get his thoughts on Patriots bringing in Cam Newton and also he heads up the end of the Baseball Players Association, Tony Clark will join us and. Todd said that when he was reaching out to the commissioner. Major League Baseball you mentioned to the PR department that we were having Tony Clark on the Players Association Executive Director did. And you think the Commissioner Lo and behold after several tries try to secure the commissioner. He was able to come on yesterday the day before Tony. Clark is okay and one thing should be pointed out in fairness to the commissioner because i. told you what my source had told me a couple of weeks ago once they locked in on sixty games, they were not budging off sixty games. The commissioner and the owners did offer up more games I think they went up to like seventy. Four Games wasn't always sixty games I was told when it got to sixty. No matter what the Players Association did, they were not budging, so I just want that to be mentioned that the commissioner and the owners did try to opt for more games. It just didn't work out, but once they got into sixty. They were locked in also the commissioner, saying there was initially a report that maybe four to six owners were interested in shutting down the season, and I was told one to two, and that's what the commissioner said yesterday. Eight seven seven three DP show email address sepia Dan. Patrick Dot Com. NFL, quarterback moves usually set off a chain reaction when you think about it at least public perception. Patriots bringing Cam Newton raise the question. About quarterbacking room. And now the AFC East is looking at New England. Differently Jared Stidham, not quite sure Cam Newton. We know what he wants was. Buffalo bills were going to be the team taking over the AFC east. They got a young quarterback Josh Allen and maybe up to the task. Athletic all the Armstrong. He looks like a younger version of Cam Newton. Sean McDermott was on the staff when Cam led the Patriots to the Super Bowl in two thousand fifteen, the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. And you know he's probably hoping that Josh. Allen is able to emulate Cam Newton. Sam darnold talented, but still unproven. Miami's got two of their. Cam Newton's made the AFC East a lot more interesting and he actually made the new, England, Patriots Cool, the question is how much is he going to play for that answer and more, we bring in the Patriots Radio Color Analyst. Scott Zinger back former Patriots quarterback. What was the reaction Scott when the Patriots Sign Cam Newton. Well I mean we. We had the greatest name to play the position for twenty years, and what he departs, and you're left with Brian Hoyer Jerry and I I like both those guys I know Brian really well. He's been here multiple times. And they go at stem last year to be the only got backup backup Tom Brady, so you lose the name, you'll lose the say ego I, think you lose at personality that leadership in the Locker Room and ban you hear Cam Newton's named after hearing not a single thing, three months three and a half months because of Covid I mean we really haven't had any sports to talk about. It's just teams. Come back. WHAT'S GOING TO BE PROTOCOL? The Man Will Cam Newton's namedrop. A lot of people got excited because Cam Newton really played well against US and a couple of games that he had against okay. Is he going to be the starter this year if you were going to gauge? You have to ask me. I'd say no given given an I. sit and it's not because he's. He's a bad. tastic. Transcendent Type Player I love watching him. Play I love call games against him. This offense here so predicated on timing and detail and I think that's why you had. The frustration were quarterbacks here last year because people weren't spots were expecting expecting to be, he wants to throw the ball into. Cam is a big play player, and when I say that. Seven steps is off the back foot weights. He waits to run around SORTA like Ben. He's very similar bed Rothlisberger, and he likes to push the ball downfield. This this'll opposite Harris. It's one two three yards out. Ataman than get the ball in the playmakers hands. I think the timing. Dan May hurt him the most. Because if you said okay, we got CAM BACK in March. And he had three months under normal circumstances where you had ta throwing camps being around all the guys in the locker room and it's a great locker. They won't race. For me, it looks like it's a two month trial team. And maybe it was bargain. I don't know that talk to anybody that if he doesn't get the job, I can't see cam sitting there on the sideline week to in Seattle with a clipboard baseball on backwards. That's just not who he is. He should be a starter. How good is still? Pretty good. It's pretty good. Very cerebral. Doesn't get rattled a lot of cut a lot of called a lot of preseason football games for this team over the years especially going back to Garoppolo and that's the one thing I compared to I don't care. I don't compare standing the Brady. Don't compare anybody to break. So I looked at what they gave Jimmy preseason. Wise a lot of it was basic power. I single tight to wide receivers for jared. Last year they threw the kitchen sink Adam and threw it out. Pretty good meeting. They went empty. Too, tight ends multiple sets three wide, four, wide, no backs and you know he handled. Everything directed everything traffic, wise with the hands on the road in Detroit. He throws the heck out of the same ball. Like to what Lake is delivery on the did cuts, and he doesn't flinch people hit him for and that's funny. Because he got shock robber now that last year he was there. Yeah, he's athletic. I. Think People you know they're looking at. Can you run the same offense for Cam that you do for stem vice versa? Do you think that's possible with New England? I. Think new. England was stood him. They keep probably eighty percent of their offense at it. Tweak it to help him and see what he does well. That's really really good. What Billy O'Brien and Josh. mcdaniels will done over the years they they really helped to quarterbacks. Flourish in what they do well instead of taking that square peg in a round hole and everybody on our talk. Show up here on. It's going to be great to get cam hair and you could put them in. A wildcat set, you can run them. There's a reason banged up and that's from running around getting outside the pocket. You know he's so big I mean. He's listed at six six to forty on that he's to seventy five man, this kid, rock and defensive teams with tee off on if I'm bringing Cam Newton in I wanNA, keep them in a pocket to protect him, and I want to know he's open to being coached by Josh mcdaniels meaning. It's hard to strip guy down mechanically after nine ten years. Where does things a certain way to drop the ball, but seat the ball in the chest and you hit that this snap and get rid of it. Is Open to that and he's going to have a pretty good shot. Win a starting job here. Yeah, I just don't know if you can change him Scott. Because the reason why bring in Cam is I, want him to be cam it. I can't say hey, come on in, and let's be a pocket passer. It defeats the purpose of bringing in Cam Newton. He's not good enough to be just a pocket passer. And, that's why go with the. Stem damage. That's exactly the way I think to. You saw he's not bio. Obviously Kansas phenomenal player. We had Tibo camp here for a while, and it was just. Frustrating watching them, try and work within mechanically like the short leg short the spread of the Comoro over the top and less like a baseball player. He's thrown on. It looks like he was thrown paint cans out there. because. Got Brady company a boom that ball spock. Garoppolo Zing Zang. Percent we see some pretty good guys over the years He's the Patriots. Raider radio color analyst. Former Patriots quarterback Scott. Zolak, what happened first Bella check decided he didn't want Brady back or Brady decided that he wanted to go out. In his own style, having fun. It seems like this was Tom's decision based on what we think was Howard Stern. He told that right. What stern asked him. When did you know you're out of new? England Andy said probably before probably the summer before last year there so to put a timetable on it there, and that's really what the Goshi to not have that franchise tag so to me. That's where he calls the shots and. Bills fine when it to. Bill Bill's always said I'd rather uploaded quarterback Tom Brady. Twenty years is a long time in any business in any marriage in any relationship. You'll never see that again. I'm sure we'll never see that again. As can be because they still have a good football team. Here and expectations are still very high. But our schedules extremely difficult. The team hasn't been practicing was much as we know. Some guys are still working out. A short preseason. It's weird year we have football. What would you say to the Seattle Seahawks Fan so I saw Russell Wilson working out with Antonio, Brown, he, of course had. A cameo with the Patriots. Well, would you say in regards to in Tonio Brown in Seattle? If this things right up top. had. He's the. He's the greatest receiver in a lake is. The best is that? Game when he was again when he was in Pittsburgh to watch separate, watch us his body on the law on Baltic to accelerate, decelerate to create space the kick return game these explosives and watch them here in practice break, guys, legs, and just the fetus feeder so quick. It's a shame. It's a shame. The Sky hasn't played football in two years because I think when he's right, he's a dozen the league. It's good to see now. That's not a Tampa color shirt that you have on is certainly not patriots their Scott my last day. We tried to do this show yesterday. My last day was working. Real studios show a golf shirt to Greg, Norman, Ole Golf Shirt and play like an old man alone to play golf after this right now, but it seems like that's an Obama to Tom like you're sending a message to Tom Right now while not sending a message to Tom Right now. My Man. Tom Brady. Thank you Scott are Dan. Take care. Buddy great great for. Scott Zolak and throwing paint cans. Ben You WanNa talk about a description I've never heard that Tim Tebow looks like he's throwing paint cans. They were trying to mess with his his arm. Make him a little bit more fluid there. S, maybe laugh. There's also a report that Tom Brady has been staying in touch with Antonio Brown I. Don't know if that means anything. Other than Brady is trying to help him mentor him a little bit but i. did see the video where Antonio. Brown was working out with Russell Wilson and. Now, he could definitely find a home in Seattle, they'd love to have him in Seattle with Russ but. I can't imagine that. Is this a sign? The buccaneers go. Hey, we're. We need to bring in Antonio Brown. Because you have already have to good wipe, you have a great wide receiver, and you have an emerging very good wide receiver. Evans is Great Godwin is very good. and. You WanNa. Keep everybody happy. Here's the big problem that you find with quarterbacks. Normally, it's a younger quarterback and you saw this with Baker Mayfield last year when you bring in an establish wide receiver, a big name personality. They want the ball. They WANNA know why they're not getting the ball Antonio. Brown wants to show everybody that he can still play. He's not going to go to Tampa to be forty reception guy. He's GonNa. Go there wanting to be a star. If that is even a possibility, which I would be really surprised that it was now brady may say Bruce. Arians I can manage him. Brady can manage. The problem is Antonio. Brown can't manage Antonio Brown? That's the wild card in all of this. But if I'm bringing him in how many times he come back to the huddle and say hey, Tom. I need my touches. Because that's what wide receivers do now. You do have Brady saying? Hey shut up listen to me, Baker. Mayfield couldn't do that to Odeal Beckham and I thought it became obvious when I watched the browns. He didn't have his rookie year. You spread the wealth. They got Beckham I didn't think he was the right guy for Baker. Mayfield because he's a personality, he wants to show the giants. They made a mistake. He wants to show that he's just as good as the breast De'andre, Hopkins. Michael Thomas. My Kevin. I'm every bit the wide receiver. Those guys are well. The only way that happens is if i. get you the football. And that's why I didn't think that it was the right person to bring in for Baker Mayfield. Even Jarvis Landry is is established. You need to get the these players who grow up with Baker Mayfield, and therefore they're on the same level, but if Tom Brady wants to bring in Antonio, Brown, it's one thing to manage him on the field. My concern is off the field. I couple of phone calls here. Brenton. Connecticut joins US Good Morning. Brentwood he have for me? Hey Dan first time long time five, ten, one, seventy five. Just wanted to pass along. What I think is the second best NHL nickname ever in that's Maurice, the rocket Rashard okay. Sorry I'm I'm good with. That can't argue with that career, wasn't he? The fastest fifty goals before Gretzky. Gretzky did it in less than fifty games. Maybe forty eight games something like that. Maurice the rocket Rashard, Aaron in Indiana, Jones hiring. What do you have for me today? Thanks so much Dan. You're welcome here. Cardinals based. Cardinal Baseball Whitey her saw. The white rats. That brings back. Bad memories though Aaron. Thank you. Thanks for the phone call. I don't feel like talking anymore. Oh, man! How did that go wrong? We were promoting a book, and he didn't want to talk about like drugs with the players, but even the press release itself, and the PR people were encouraging us to talk about those stories about what was going on in the cardinals clubhouse, and all of a sudden, it went very sideways. Because wrote I think the foreword for this book about the Cardinals Baseball and They'll back when Whitey Herzog was managing the cardinals, and they were built on speed. and. But they you know he was also there with the drug culture. They got Keith Hernandez. Keith gone. His issues great player former MVP. And the press release comes out 'cause Todd said. Do you WanNa? Have Whitey Herzog on I go I. Don't think so, and so he says well look at the press release. Press releases. Talk about Whitey is willing to talk about cocaine nine bill. What some great quotes! Have Mind Yeah I. Go all right so I had him on. And I figure. I ran I got a couple of money questions. I'm going to wait a little bit before I get to those. And then the interview wasn't going that will. I brought up the so called money questions and he basically shut me down. Just said I I'M NOT GONNA. Listen to this anymore. And I'm thinking. How do you have a press release? That's encouraging me to ask about these sensitive topics. I didn't I didn't blame you for that one because I read it with my own eyes, so. I feel like talking on Brexit I know and like he didn't even get off the whole sentence. He trailed off and Click. Yes, see I have like two. It's two forty. I haven't been able to listen to the whole thing, but you start with Keith Hernandez. We have to. Start, the interview or this clip in an now? Sorry yet the CL-, good. Yeah, no! Clip that I have started with Keith Hernandez so my point in mentioning that is I know the clip is long. It's two minutes and forty two seconds long, but it sounds like we get right to the cars that you're referring to okay i. let me take a break. Because I'M GONNA. I'm GonNA talk to Tony. Clark the head of Baseball Players Association get his thoughts on the interview with the Commissioner Baseball yesterday. Then we'll do I. Somebody needs to listen to that because we're almost going into. The traeger grill and you. We're going to go into our weekend here and I don't want to go in and be all bummed out after my Whitey Herzog okay yeah I'll listen to. What would you bummed out? He was routine. I know but I. It's like when we do the Tonya harding interview like. Again that nothing to do with she got all sensitive I know voice town. You harder doesn't bring up anything about Medicare. That might not talk about biting. Evander Holyfield during. When she said that and she she's handing it to her manager going on. No positive where got bring up and I go I'm doing an interview here, Paul. Wants Talk Boxing. Out On make a skeptical of my boxing career thinking. She just said I'm not gonNA. Make a skeptical. My poxy career while making a skeptical. Bring. A whole knee. I. I'M GONNA. Take a break here. That one that one was tough because it's live radio. And then you're trying to I'm trying to be respectful, but I'm also a little angry that you know. This guy jumps on the phone I'm going to get off the phone I'm not GonNa make skeptical. Out That ever happened to you with someone. Guest handed the phone to someone else while you're in the middle of an. It's just unbelievable skeptical. Going to make a skeptical, my concur. We'll take a break here last. Call for phone calls coming up as well in the final half hour. What we learn all those great things and we'll take a break. We'll talk to Tony Clark of the Baseball Players Association after this, it's twenty after the hour. You're listening to the Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan, Patrick Show podcast sure to catch US live every weekday morning nine noon, eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox, Sports Radio Find Your local station for the Dan Patrick Show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream it live. Live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching F s are smarts or just starting to come back grilling season already in full swing your backyard cookout skills take him to an MVP level in no time with the help of trigger wood fired grill. Visit your local dealer head. TRAEGERGRILLS DOT COM sites teepee show to get started yesterday. We had the Commissioner Major. League Baseball Rob Manfred and we talked about the sixty game schedule and I. do want to make something clear before we bring in Tony Clark of the Baseball Players Association. The commissioner did offer more, Games. Earlier in the negotiations I was my source said once they settled on sixty. They were not budging on sixty, so in fairness to the commissioner that I think they went up to seventy four but sixty games. I was told they were locked in on that and the commissioner validate that when he joined us, let's bring in Tony Clark who went toe to toe with the Commissioner for the last couple of months on this. Tony, how you feeling today as we get training, camps started or restarted. Their Good Morning Dan. excited excited to have the guys back in camp, or even though we have the challenges that we do, but excited to have have the guys back doing what they love doing. What did you make the commissioner? Validating what I had been told that once they got settled on sixty with ownership that they weren't budging off sixty games. The decision that they decided to make I think throughout the process We highlighted the interest in playing as many games as possible from start to finish. And maintain that position, but it appears that their interests were a little bit different particularly as things. Progress toward! Toward where we land. What was the main reason for this long to get something done? I think that the interest from the other side appeared to be that sixty games despite having made the proposals that they made earlier in other words. From start to finish there was an interest in a a certain amount of money being spent against the backdrop of of a particular number of games, being played so that conversation span the two months that it did in the fashion netted did. I know that that's that's a large part of what we focused on the back, and forth, and having covered strikes and lockouts I never worried about the negotiations I figured they would always get settled. It's not a pretty picture for either side here, but I worry about the safety guidelines here Tony of just being able to play baseball, and everybody was talking about the money and games and I said. Can we actually pull this off? How confident are you? Will have, sixty sixty game season. To be clear that the other side was the one talking about money. We ended up this. Conversation our focus was the health and safety to your point. guys recognize that we're an unprecedented times, and and the the protocols are going to be in processes are going to be much different than anything they've experienced before, and so it is challenging and everybody's got a role to play not just on the field off. The field and guys understand that, so we're. We're hopeful. particularly as guys arrived into camp. As we speak that they can get comfortable with those protocols that their families, all involved can be comfortable with those protocols, and then do our to to make sure that we're able to keep everyone healthy as healthy as possible in play many games. Do you take it personally. What happens with the negotiations with the commissioner? No no at the end of our day. our responsibility. My responsibility is fairly simple. And that is making sure to protect in advance the interests of our players of our members. So No, it doesn't doesn't end up being personal obviously as a player former player. I guess I should say my love. And Passion for the game remain so that's that's not going to change Sean, but our role and responsibility is pretty consistent, but you know these players are gonNA. They took this personally and that next collective bargaining agreement Tony. It's GONNA be. It's GONNA be ugly. There there are there are a lot of predictions in an. Open ended questions. At this point, we'll have to see how things progress but I think as much as anything. When the game is attacked to Witton. When players are attacked when? Their Union is attacked Sure there are personal interests that become a part of that conversation, but we're. We're still a little ways away. Guys is is were opened I think it was a bit of a up call these last couple of months with the challenges that we needed to work through, but we'll see how those negotiations Go here moving forward. What about black lives matter with the players? Anything planned. Well. Needless to say, it's very personal issue for me. It's very personal issue for our players and so There is nothing scheduled at this point in time, but there is a lot of dialogue that is happening behind the scenes both with our players, and eventually as we anticipate with with the League as well. We were talking baseball and Don Mattingley was on the first hour, and it's amazing how you guys recall the inning or the pitch. It's amazing whether it's John smoltz, talking about facing bonds, or it's mattingly facing Roger Clemens and he's telling you the count. The pitches like everything. You have a moment because people should know that you played baseball for a long period of time, but is there one of those moments where? You kind of go back to you. It was a it was a great magical moment for you. Will I. I have a number of them. It's it's hard to highlight one, but I'll offer this initial one which was. My first big league game so as you mentioned. I was fortunate to have played over the course of. Fifteen seasons in the in the big leagues in a number of years in the minor leagues and at aspirations even when I was younger, playing professional basketball, but My very first day in the big leagues, playing for Sparky Anderson looking to my left, and saying Lou Whitaker and and and Alan Trammell looking to my right. and seeing Cecil fielder who took me under his wing when I got there that very first game and each of the at bats. Struck up. My I bet I struck out my second button. hit a ground ball. The second, my third at baton was excited. Actually have put the ball in play and Then my fourth bat got my first hit awfully. got my second Bat Mike. Our second get in my fifth a bad off Jose Mason. You'll probably recall as as a baseball fan yourself that. In the mid-nineties, those those Cleveland Indians teams were, were something special so that that very first game, and and having opportunity to step on the field, where where a number of the greats did including alkaline was somebody I leaned on as well I. It's just A. It's something that I'll never forget. Well. You probably got some bullet holes there a bleeding a little bit from those negotiations, but you know you you live to see another day. Hopefully we get sixty games season. I'm not as optimistic, but I'm hopeful, but. Maybe. We get it and I. Wish you locked Tony Because I, know what those negotiations are going to be like I it, you know. Going, to be rough going to be rough, I appreciate and there's there's a lot that we're going to have to work through a lot of concerns with respect to where game is and where it's going, so will be diligent and we'll. We'll grind through it. Thank you, Tony. Thank you Tony Clark the executive. Director of the Baseball Players Association, but I JUST WANNA. Make mention that it felt like yesterday with the commissioner that we're talking about sixty games and they weren't locked on sixty, but once they did get locked. I was told they were not budging off sixty games because they knew what the start and finish date was. And they were worried about another that second wave of the corona virus, and they wanted to get the world series over before the second wave came back. And the Commissioner acknowledge that that was true, but he did say. You Know Hey. We offered up to seventy four games. This so baseball got wounded again. And we keep saying it's resilient. All baseball always come back. Know, at some point, it just doesn't come back because you still have an older generation. Your fan base is the oldest fan base of any of the major sports. And after a while when you lose that fan base, and then a younger fan base comes along, they may not have any interest in baseball. They may not have any attachment to it. And that's going to be a real troubling. Time and baseball just signed up kneeling extended their deal with TBS. postseason rights big money. But? I'm doubtful. I'm doubtful. What happens after next season because these players are going to be out for blood? Absolutely. And I know Tony Clark may take it personally. I don't know how you don't. But these players are going to take it personally. And I think that I think the sport is. Going to hit a couple of potholes again. We look at these sports and we say well. They're resilient. Boxing and horseracing used to be the biggest sports back in the twenties thirties forties fifties. Boxing horse-racing not so much. And I think that that's what you have to be careful of of you. No longer relevant and I think that that. Teams want to be relevant. Sports WANNA be relevant. How do you stay relevant? And Baseball to me. Is Not in the twenty first century. Just doesn't feel that way. Now, the season's too excited about sixty games if they get the sixty in then I would be if there were one sixty two. I WanNa game to mean something. Instead of Hey, we lost seven in a row, no big deal out of it. I like that there's a little bit more drama tension of frenetic pace to this. And maybe more people tune in to look and watch and acknowledge some of these great players. Like, I'm excited. See Shohei Otani be a two player again. mookie Betts in dodger like there's so many of these players who are really special, but if you don't love the game, appreciate the Game I. Watch Hockey Games before in, somebody will say. I had hockey guy. Peter Forsberg watching. Amuse Best Player in the sport. Now I'd watch him I'd go. Get it. But. They're looking at him differently than I am if you don't know what you're looking for. You'RE GONNA miss it with Major League Baseball. And Major League Baseball is swing. Miss Swing hit a home. Run no movement whatsoever. And it didn't dawn on me until I went to a game in person with my family. And I realized there's nothing for them to watch. Nothing's going on. It's a pitcher taking forever a hitter taking forever a pitcher throwing it by said Hitter, and then that hitter, waiting to try to hit a home run. That's it. I wouldn't be interested in that. If I was twenty, twenty, five thirty. Fifteen. And that's it is so important for baseball to do the following get. Kids into the ballpark get families. Let them afford it, so they can go in and experience it. Because if you don't experience it, you watching it. And that's the best way to go there. So you hear that sound you smell. The smells at a ballpark. And battle practice like just those things that. Are. GonNa. Leave a mark they're. They're going to leave an indelible. Mark there your memory like wow I remember when. Or that was fun or that. That was great. I think a lot of this of an older generation had experienced them. And there's a new generation. Just isn't interested. And Mom and dad can't afford to take you to the ballpark. We'll take a break last. Call for phone calls. Close Up Shop Right after this Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch US live every weekday morning nine until noon, eastern nine Pacific on Fox, sports radio, and you can find us on the iheartradio APP at Fsr, or stream it live every day at Youtube. Dot Com slash the Dan. Patrick Show I I'm Barrington Day Thurston. I'm a rider activist in comedian. I wrote a book called how to be Black, gave a Ted. Talk about white people call the cops on black people for no good reason, and I feel like we're having a moment in the US right now. You probably feel as to. When Office Derek shot and killed George Floyd something in America broke. Where this Moma goes, we can't say yet, but right now. Something big is happening involving race and in particular policing. So I'm going to try to explain it. From the covid connection to WHO's allowed to protest to what de-fund the police actually means. When Mitt Romney the man who tried to keep Barack Obama's second term away from US joins. The black lives matter March. When Nascar vans the confederate flag when Donald Trump of all people encourages cops not to choke people. We're having a moment. You can listen to. We're having a moment on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts and wherever you get your podcast. Close up shop as we always do. We'll be off tomorrow and all next week, but our thanks to this audience staying with us through these last couple of months. I know it's an unusual fourth of July for everybody. We're used to watching baseball barbecuing swimming at the local pool fireworks having beers with the boys. And a lot of that has been limited, which actually might provide an opportunity to think about what the holiday is supposed to mean? We really lose track of what some of these holidays are supposed to me. It's supposed to represent the best of our country spirit when you think about how we came together under the idea that all men are created equal with the unalienable rights to life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and it's twenty twenty, and hopefully we all recognize all men has to mean all people you hear these slogans. Tomatoes were all in this together, and the news might not be good or always go to fit our specific ideologies, but Independence Day is about hope and there's so much to be proud of this weekend. I'd love to be celebrating Burgers. Beers watching baseball, seeing my friends, but. Can't do it, but I'm glad to take a few moments to reflect on what fourth of July really means to all of us here on the Dan Patrick Show and as we move forward here. It's been a long run without sports. And it starts to filter back. Hopefully it comes back and we can survive this. We can get through this and I. Look I. do take it personally. People do respond and say. Why are you so negative I? Just WanNa. Be Realistic. That's all I've ever tried to do in this job is just. Honest with you. Might not be what you want to hear, but I'm just trying to be realistic with all of this. You can't hope for something and it magically magically happens I have hope and optimism that doesn't mean anything at all, but we have the groundwork the framework here to have some sports coming back, and if everybody does their job whether you're in those sports or outside of those sports. Maybe we can pull this off. But I do think that you're going to have at least one league that will not be completed. I just think you play the odds here in. That's not the case. We did hear from University of Tennessee yesterday. And I'd ask their head coach Jeremy Pruitt. How many positive tests had they had? And he said zero. and. I, you know I voice skepticism because I'm just looking at the the numbers, the percentages it's usually about five percent. You have of Corona parties at Alabama. That's trending now where they want to see who can get the virus I. Maybe, Tennessee doesn't have any positive test I hope they don't but I I don't know if a coach. Is obligated to tell you the truth. And I don't know Jeremy Pruitt. If he's telling me, they zero. Okay, all believe you. But I'm I'm very suspicious about that. Lamb can't help it. All right this day in sports history with Paulie, not being here. Todd says he'll do. The honor got some good ones here. In one thousand, nine hundred three Washington senators leftfielder Ed. Delahunt drowned falling into the Niagara River was kicked off a train after drunkenly threatening passengers with a straight razor body found at the bottom of Niagara. Falls, little depressing. We'll make it a more positive, little depressing. Good ones yeah that was this guy found at the bottom of a little different, but now nineteen thirty three giants, Pitcher Carl Hubbell, eighteen innings of shutout ball that walked beat the cardinals, one nothing nineteen fifty Indians pitcher Bob Feller wins his two hundred Major League baseball game. Nine, hundred, sixty three was one marriage allegations Warren spahn Willie. mays ended the game with the sixteenth inning. Home. Run two more quick ones. Wimbledon men's tennis swings Beyond Board Beats Jimmy. Connors in five sets for the second of his five consecutive Wimbledon titles and two thousand thirteen seven years ago, reds pitcher homer Bailey no, the giants, and Cincinnati, his second, no hitter in ten months. Thank you time. We have had a couple of people who ask how. How many sentences can you read without taking a breath and I said I don't know it's a Brooklyn thing. We talk very fast. It can be quite a few, though because I've had the pleasure of recording todd. 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Ruppert Jones

Changing the Game

1:01:46 hr | 2 years ago

Ruppert Jones

"This is changing the game. Our by functional remedies Endo sport, the leading hembo for professional and amateur athletes alight. This podcast, trumpets, the value of being fit the thing, a healthy lifestyle and positioning yourself to be oh, you can be for as long as you will be. Today folk, you're in for a treat, we're talking to Rupert Jones World Series champion center fielder. With the Kansas City Royals the Mariners the Yankees the Padres, the Detroit Tigers and wound up his career with the California Angels. It's great to have you on the show, my friend, we go back a long way together, if his we do feel so Rupe? What's taking up your time? These days you stepped away from the game in nineteen eighty eight. What do you do in these days? You remind me how old I am. Okay, I'll try I'll try not to go there too bad. Are you healthier you in good shape? I'm in pretty good shape outside. It looks good. You know, Roop, I remember when you came up when you came out and in, in canton into the game, people labeled you as a can't miss, you had all the tools of five tool athlete, and back in those days, that was a tremendous compliment, but it didn't take long route before injuries began to creep in what was your thought. When you first came up, what were your dreams what were your aspirant when you first said yes to that first contract with the royals. Well, I was I was always a pretty good athlete. Feel I play football baseball and basketball high school. And when it came down to draft time royals draft third round. And I thought that was my best opportunity to continue to move my life forward. So I signed mine lick amazing a minor league contract with them played three years in a mile. And then I went to the big leagues and played for Whitey. Jake mcken. No. That was sorry. That was like, why did hers up Whitey hers? Oh. And I got to watch the game. I got to learn the game. The only thing I was bad about that year was when they when they when rub into the big leagues the first night, I face Gaylord, period. Or week as four starting to gain was concerned I faced goose Gossage. I start. No the game for another week a pinch hit and I made it came in the game late, but my third game I faced Dennis Eckersley, and then my fourth game which another week later, I, I, I face Burt bly Levin and at at about those four games. Jimmy christmas. I'm facing gadgets, Dane. Good, you know, and come to find out all four Mahala famous where you're not only faced hall of famers earlier in your career, you also played for three hall of fame managers, what was it like playing for guys like Mckee and tell me tell me a good, Jack mckeon story, because I always loved trader Jack. Well, I was I was an outcome out Aibo. I was I was pretty good teams play what we want. So Jack and by me, spring training because they were by the new a couple other guys and Jackson. Well, we got we got him back reproduce to. So inviting me to. The two big Nick camp. First trip I was late for the bus. Okay, we would go out of town. I was late for the bus. So when I got on a bus jet gave me a look. We went we went back to two hour bus rat. I didn't play. So the next day we got back for practice. And Jack made me run. He made me run for hour and a half in Alfie back and forth. I didn't stop because I knew I was room. So I kept running for hour and a half, they found he told me stop, did you older Maly, develop a warm relationship with jacker? Is it was kind of a distant relationship? Well, I respect Jack tremendously Jack was a good baseball man. And he he knew the game. He in a good player who had a man just player. So. I thought he was held a managed. Let's go from the Kansas City Royals in nineteen seventy seven to the Seattle Mariners where you're played for former Red Sox manager Darrell Johnson. What was it like playing for Darryl d'or was a laid back individual? He wasn't too. I eating get to excite at one way L away. He was a pretty good patient manager for a team like ourselves because we had a team full of guys who were counted like cast off from other organizations are put put up put up for grabs more or less for the expansion teams. So a lot of guys has had a lot to prove and Darryl had a good temperament for for the team we had. Let's interesting because four years after you signed your contract. With the Kansas City Royals coming out at nineteen. Seventy six you find yourself playing for your third major league team. I the royals than the Mariners and then the New York Yankees in nineteen eighty what were your thoughts when you were being traded and moving around? We think in what the heck is wrong with me. Why can't I stick with one team or Roope? Were you happy to move over to the Yankees at that point in your young career? I come up a phenomenal year in nineteen seventy nine and I played real good. That's the best year. I had two major leagues in the Yankees wanted me. So they traded a few guys to get me it was it was a shame that. You know my career went into direction he did the first year when I played I was playing pretty good. I had chanced outset chance to win rookie year in August, first of that year I told my knee but I continue to play. And at the end of the season, I got I had to get NIA peration so in, in the back in that day that, oh, surgery. And for months, I still any store run into two two months later. And so consequently when I went to spring training was not ready. Well, when the season started, I was not ready, but I played. And then in may, I start filling healthy start playing well in bloom. In my pennies blew out, we was in Boston in my penance blew out and I had to emergency. How are merging shot operation in Boston, and it's funny because I had just read the book coma, no? Oh my. You know I'm on, I'm on the operating table. Anybody give me anesthetics? I say, I said, I looked at the gas, I am gonna wake up on what you mean. I just read the book coma lot, waking up. Well friends, those of you listening. If you have never read the book comb, it was written by a medical doctor, Robin Cook. And I'll tell you what, that, that book scared the BG vers. Well, so you go from the Yankees in nineteen eighty a year later to join dick Williams in the San Diego Padres. You stick there a couple of years, you know what I was living in San San Diego. Rupe? And that's where you and I met and I knew dick Williams for a number of years. They're gonna tell you something that guy always scared me a little bit. He was not the easiest guy to talk to. Well, I gotta go back again. Feel. My year in New York. Play I was playing and I was eating the top player on the team or the second top or the second player, what would run production runs scored or RBI's is at the time, and then I had an emergency operation on my abdomen because I had what they call adhesion. I had a blockage in, in some of my ball had got caught me. My intestine had got caught up in the in into the incision in my pin Knicks. So I get ration- feel and then at the end of the towards the end of the season when I came back I ran into the wall and suffered a serious, serious head injury and broke my shoulder. So that was that was like another year. There was just devastating. And then eighty one when I came to the Padres we had to strike year. In eighty two km spring training, of course, with dick Williams came. And I had to fight for job in center field. Dick was probably the best manager plateful I you know, I don't want to cut the other two short. But dick was the best manager. I played for dick taught me how to play I, I knew how to pre into star play with dig wins. Y tell you what the Rupe. You could flat out fly across an outfield from that center field position thing. I remember about you, and I, I saw you with San Diego face-to-face man. I'll tell you. I never saw the kind of speed. I mean, in person that I saw you had possessed a quality that was a rarity even back then. I mean Rupe? You gotta admit when it came to defense you were about as good as it got in center field. I really worked hard in the minor leagues on my outfield play I in we could fly balls every day. But I would have a gentleman named Billy script she hit me, fun goes from from second base area. He would hit me land dries, and he would have me moving before the ball was hit. He taught me how to move before the ball is hit. So every time the ball was hit. I was always moving because I knew how to get a jump on the ball. So I read the bet real good that enabled me to get to balls, a lot easier than a lotta, I'll Phyllis. I watch these guys today and everybody won't die for they won't die for fly balls. I'm trying to figure out why they won't die for plot balls. All they gotta do is take another step. You know, Roop our podcast deals with, you know, fitness health staying in shape being as good as you can be for as long as you will be on this planet. You, you seem to have one situation after another, when it came to stay healthy. Did you think about that consciously my friend when you were rampant through your major league career how gonna stay healthy? Why can't I stay healthy? What were your thoughts as a player during those travails? No feel sometime. I thought I was naked bidding. I broke my ankle broke my foot in San Diego and eighty two. Okay. My career ended because I told my shoulder up and I had rotator in labor damage so yeah, I had some unfortunate situation happens. But that's a part of life. You know, you start Crandall was spilled milk. Then, you know you're not going to continue to progress. I will be the man, I am today if I had gone through all those different experiences, you know, payers eight try to they try to insulate their kids from difficult situations. You can't not do that. Then, you know they don't they gonna learn, they got to go out there and got a fall down a couple of times. So you when you look back on your career do you look back on your career today? Rupe? Saying to yourself, man, I could have been so much more had. I've been able to stay healthy or, or my friend. Do you look back and say, thank the good Lord for blessing me with the career I had where are you on that? Continuum. I look back for a long time. I kind of regret it how career win. But you know it went the way it went. I you know, I can't be crowded with spill milk. I can't go back. I learned a lot. Like I said, I wouldn't be the man, I am today if I had kept getting up, you can get knocked down, but you gotta keep getting up, and I was just, I, I guess I want smart enough to stay down Phil. I just kept getting up. So what was training like in the clubhouses back in the seventies and eighties Rupe? But did you feel like you had real good trainers, real good, medical personnel, kind of moving you back towards the lineup or, or was it not what it is today? When I played you, you only deal when I played if you day. It was on the deal. And you know, we don't do the these guys do nowadays. They take these supplements of they, I don't. I don't know how they train, they bigger ellipted lot of weights in Jimmy Christmas. You building muscles up, but you get them tendons, and you can find muscles that taking a lot of pressure. So weight training was non existent. When you played correct, not the way they way train now. How is it different? Rupe? You still talk to players today. I'm sure periodically. What's the biggest difference between staying healthy in your playing days and staying healthy today? Can you can you speak to that? Yeah. Look, you gotta be lucky man. You look at all the guys in, in the hall of fame. You know, they had long careers you have you got to have long career to put the number of them guys put up. And when you don't play you can't put the numbers up, you know they get hurt nowadays on. What a slight hamstring. They're big on a deal right away. They pull oblique muscles up for month. You for a month when I played you you lost your job. So talk to me for a minute. Rupe about preparedness for the game of baseball. What did you do to prepare every day for your opponents physically? What, what was your regimen when you got to the stadium to get yourself a ready to pay two three hours later. Well, we get to the buying. I get to the ball towards the end of my career again to the ballpark nearly. Oh, and we played cards in the clubhouse, and we relaxed and, you know, shoot the breeze. And then and then we go out. Earlier than Ben practice and get some running in. We throw a little bit. But we we get running. We do we do running. And then we have bagging practice after baton practically go back in the clubhouse come back out and play. It wasn't a long elaborate thing. So that went on for tween nineteen seventy six to nineteen eighty eight in the minors through your, your major league. You're finished up by recall over in Japan with the Hanshin Tigers. What was it like for you when you stepped away from the game? How difficult was it not so much physically? But mentally for you to say goodbye to a gain that you grew up loving. When I left the game I was ready to go. I you know, I have so many issues that the issues that I had kept me from playing baseball on a high level. I was lucky to play as many years as I did my hair engine took a big toll on me start wearing, you know, if you heard anything, as you live with it longer. It's gets worse and worse and my head injury in really start bothering me. And I didn't really know until years later that basically. That's what happened to me. There were times when I know my focus and concentration just wasn't there in everything sometime being a blur. Can find out my vision perception is not good, fine motor skills was leaving me. You know, the look people take for granted. I was losing that talent. And then my head my head hurt all the time. It hurt all the time. Well in nineteen seventy seven you made the all star team you repeated you came back as a member of the Padres in nineteen eighty two is an all star Rupert. You'll win a World Series championship for sparky Anderson and the Detroit Tigers in nineteen Eighty-four against the Padres, I've almost forgiven you for that. But what was that like playing at that level? When you when you saw the game from a different perspective, you were healthy and you're playing the game you love that had to be such a good feeling. You know that year eighty four was was was unique year from me. I went I went free agent. And nobody picked me up. Nobody gave me a tune to play. And I had I had I had hurt myself tremendously in the game of baseball. So Pittsburgh called me up today before spring training. And they asked me they, they asked me to come come to campus. A non roster player, I live in California. So I had to lead the next day, flew all day and got in got into Brayden some net night, and then the next day getting about midnight and next day I on the field at nine o'clock. So I was on the field. I was extra man. So consequently or I was I was non rested player so we play games at nine o'clock in the morning. I feel at nine o'clock in the morning with the great really starting and we played gain. And then I would go over to the complex in play in a game around seven six seventh inning six seven eight ten. And having fun I was playing a lot of balls spring training. But I was having fun. And matter of fact, I was hitting about three I was in. I was in pretty good spring training. And Chuck Tanna Kate Katie me one day. And he said, you, you plan will you doing a lot of things. He said what you got hitting out. I won't see hit some home runs is because I wanna see the power. So the next day we go over the Clearwater, and I had a home run. And two days later. Go to a Landau and I hit a home run again. And then two days later, we Brayden played nine o'clock game. I came over. They put me in the game in the eighth inning. And we were down by a run. I hit a home run tattoo gain. So I had three home runs in, like four or five days. And when I came around thirty base, and I was coming to touch on plate. Chuck town looked at their store smelling three days later, he came to me and said, this is the hardest thing. I'll be doing baseball. He said about we can't sign you. We got we let you go. I said, thank you, Chuck. You gave me up tune to play and I really appreciate it. So I went home and I was home for two weeks mil mil. April. And my agent calls me up and says the Detroit Tigers won't you? I said, what I said many fifteen, and they don't need me. He said the Detroit Tigers once you. So it wants you triple and today's. So I had to pack up again and go AAA. Well, I took you know they didn't put me right away. I took a week to get conditioning again, and then put me in the lineup I had a contract and says, if I'm not in the big league by June. I, I could ask for my release. Played in Evansville. And I was again, playing real. Well, I wanna top players league RBI's. I was hitting pretty good hitting three hundred and the Tigers came to me a day or two before, June first and they said, we know that you got a June first deadline to be in the big leagues. He they said, high of it where you stay a couple of extra will you give us a couple of days extra? So we can get a roster move for you and my agency. Well, lot of people won't you right now as a year, but they didn't give me a chance. I said Detroit gave me a chance. I said, I wait. So I waited and then they got the big leagues June fifth. Of that year. And I had I had I had to fortunately with some warriors, some great ballplayers. I mean great ballplayers probably the best ball players on one team at at at that particular time in their careers. Lou Whitaker, Allen tramway Kirk Gibson, Chet lemon lands. Peres Jack Morris, Willie Hernandez was an MVP Cy Young winner. That year Dan Petri. I mean I play with some warriors. We had about six guys hit double figures. Home runs on T an extra man's would just extra man was fantastic. And sparking knew how to manage. Sparky ever know how to manage captain hook. I remember they called him in Cincinnati. What was it like playing for sparky Rubai? I always regarded sparky as one of the finest men forget baseball, just one of the finest men I had ever met. He is wanting to find his men that you'll ever meet. Okay. He was a man who was he had his ways. Now he'll tell you the minute boys, my way or the highway. Yep. But, you know, he was it was it was a great man. Sparky didn't manage the game on hunches, sparky marriage the game the same way all the time you can always think when when when he's gonna use you. So if you extra man, you knew certain situation, you, you need to be ready because spark is gonna put you in the game. You know, it we're going to be like the last minute on man. You gotta you gotta go in you knew before that you might have to go in. So you always ready, mentally, and physically. Well, don't go away friends. You're listening to changing the game. Our guest today as former major league player Rupert Jones. We'll be right back with more. Changing the game is powered by functional remedies Endo sport. The preferred hemp oil for professional and amateur athletes alike. To learn more, go to functional remedies dot com. Welcome back to change the game. I'm Phil stone. Well today what a treat this has been where visiting with Rupert Jones. Former major league ball player throughout the late nineteen seventies. And the eighties and Rupert we were talking about what it's like to play for some of the great managers, three hall of fame managers in your career, but I wanna turn back to a newer training for a game when you would practice for playing centerfield chasing down. Fly ball seeing them against the sun all the way into the glove for an out. What was your training regiment when you were out on the field preparing for a game? What were you focused most intently on? I would come on catch flab, owes one I caught fly balls every day, and I, I remember our grandma's, grandma's flab balls every day, and then towards the end of my flat balls. He, he would hit me balls over the fence close to the fence. And he I had to jump. And catch him. So I would he would do it every day. He hit me about seven eight balls. That was either out of the ball Coker just about going to ballpark, and I would jump up and grab the ones I could, we're in a big game in September against the Toronto Toronto Blue Jays. A lot of people forget, Toronto is chasing us all year. And they got closer couple of times and we re in September at big game and cliff Johnson came to the plate as a pinch hitter. He hit the ball hit the ball, close to out of the ballpark closer to the ballpark and I jumped up and I went over the fence and I grabbed it. And everybody what a great kid. What a great kid in say you'd better catch the ball. I hit you balls. Let it every day. So, so you would go airborne, just what you were describing to catch a fly ball. Do you think the training for football sacrificing your body for everything did that help at all the immune you're cross training as a young boy, what helped you most playing center field? Played hartsville played hard. I took I took it as an insult if ball, dropped in centerfield, whether what was in front of me behind me or in the gap. I took it took offense to it. So Consequently, I would try to catch everything I could root physically speaking. What did you do throughout your career to try and stay in shape, even though even though your career was a story of a lot of stops and starts due to injury. But what were you doing to try to try and stay on the field? While in the wintertime, I used to play basketball early, early problem critically basketball and I would go to the gym hour and a half a day. And then I started taking karate in the karate was really good for me. So I did karate I did I played, I went to jail play basketball. So I did a lot of things. You know, Roop, you're a two time all star you were on this world champion Detroit Tigers. Hey, by the way, where's your ring today? Do you wear your ring? What where is that thing? I got it feel. That's all it matters. Get yours at you might. Well, I'm gonna be in San Diego and a couple of weeks. So you better hide it a little better. You know, in our last segment route, we spoke about your career on a lot of your physical accomplishments. And some of the things that brought you down physically, but something we also cover on changing the game. How you get a mental edge. I don't have to tell you Rupert baseball seasons are long their arduous. Can you share share how you approached each game mentally, what type of intensity your managers and coaches and still upon you as a player, how does that translate to the on the field from the mental side nowadays? If you still signed the other team is upset with you. And I'm trying to figure out a mad at me because I still assigns. Well that's a part of the game. If, if you if you're not going to change your science, and you use the same almost still because our no. I'm going, I won't know what's going on. So we took we look for age all the time. Play with 'em all Paul Molitor and rubbing yada spring training. And they would tell me a man when I'm on base. Do you, do you know what do you all know what's coming? I said, what do you do? You know, do you want to know what's coming? So you know what's coming? And then I realized why. Ogilvy and Kupa and Gordon government-owned us can hit so good. Those guys use to get on base, and they tell them what's coming. How do you know that? How do you figure that out Roope? Those guys were smart, man. They went into those guys hang out in, in the film room. They hung out on the field watching watching the plate know we knew we knew certain guys who couldn't play outfield. So here ten the ball was hitting guys direction. We've never start running until he caught the ball. We knew certain infield, then we put pressure on them. You know, they might throw the ball away and then the catches, we knew the catcher who couldn't throw. So he was still basis. So we always was was thinking about what we can do to get an extra base or to help us when a game who was the best player you ever played with or against who was who's a guy that day in and day out during your career, you said that is the number one guy. Well, I'll play with Reggie in nineteen eighty. He was you know, he didn't win the MVP jaws bit on MVP. Reggie headed for nominee year, registered three hundred for the only time he hit his career he three hundred and he was phenomenal. I must admit he was phenomenal. Kirk Gibson played with for two months, three months, and he did everything you can a man can do to win a ballgame, Allen trama. He called every ground ball that you hit to him if he got his hands on it, you're out he could play. He could hit also. I mean I play with Karoo. I played with. Don sutton. Don Sutton was was a great competitive and done sudden they didn't put him in the hall of fame. First ballot. He took a few times, getting hall of fame and ours, always wonder why he had three thousand strikeouts. And he had three hundred wins. Now how can you have three dollars strike? I three hundred wins and not go to hall of fame, the first ballot second bout. Yeah, I always wondered with Don Sutton. Whether it was a couple of altercations he had, you know away from the foul lines of baseball. And I think any maybe the guys that were voting at the time kinda lined up against him for some of those things. I always thought it was wrong. But I also think the way the hall of fame has voted is wrong. There are players that today players that have passed through the game during your career that I believe, should be in the hall of fame because if you're gonna hold those players to the standard of the live ball era while, then you also probably ought to look back in see some of the players that are in the hall who may be shouldn't be in the hall based on some of the same things that they did or went through. So the, the plain field is not level. Would you agree or disagree? Well, I'm not going to get into the politics of it. Feel like triple Hoffman are. Yup. I played in celebrity softball game which of Hoffman and I said, why don't you the? But for the for the hall of fame, he said, L L, two years ago, I said, you know, thing is a no I say, well, Bruce shooting hunting. He said, yeah, how many say the have the low three hundred see you got six hundred. Nobody got his manager you how can you not being Hama? Fain min- feel tell me this, this mega six hundred saves. He came the hall of fame. First ballot. To sit on the saves two and Trump is one of them. Yeah. I'm gonna bring up a guy who he's kind of a lightning rod, you're either form or against him. I'm gonna bring up Pete Rose. And I know I I've heard both sides of the argument I've studied both sides of the argument. But I mean I I I'm looking at what Pete did between the foul lines for a long career. Like you said, you gotta have a long career to be in the hall of fame. Pete not only had a long career, but he had a stellar career. He made a mistake. And I just looked back now Ruben, and I say, is it time? Is it time for baseball to forgive? Is it time for them to forgive invite? Pete to the party. Some still say absolutely not commissioners of lined up and said, no. And I, I don't know. I see both sides of the argument. I understand it in. Sometimes I can say, you know, I agree. I agree with your position to keep them out. But I think from overwhelming standpoint, he deserves to be where are you on Pete Rose? Roop, Pete Rose p rose never gave in that battle way at score could be Levin the war, and he's still trying to get ahead. Okay. Pete Rose came to the ballpark ready to play every day. He got four thousand hits those anybody four thousand hints. Okay. Pete was wrong. I will agree with that, you know, he was wrong, and they, they punished him. But nowadays based on based on to advertise gambling on baseball. Based on they put gambling and baseball now. And so Consequently, I think you gotta reinvestigate Pete peach case because if you're going to if you're going to advocate, or you're gonna try to promote gambling on baseball, then that's a whole new can of want. That's a game changer. Isn't it? That's what you think. Well, that's it. Yeah. So we're in the same camp there. We both understand what he did was wrong. But where does forgive this come in folks? Where does forgiveness enter the near the game? And I just believe it's long enough, but I just read, I don't know, three or four days ago, Rupert that the Commissioner is still saying, Nope. Is nothing's changed in my eyes and pizzas. Not going to be voted into the hall of fame. And I, I don't know. I just I just think it's so wrong. But let let's talk about. Let's talk about FILA guys eighties. No baseball will be mad at me. I love baseball baseball been very good to me. But as a league if you're gonna promote him in, you gotta open case backup. Well, I'm on that. Same bus with you, my friend. I see at the same way, and I felt this way for quite a while now initially, I thought it was right to ban peed into into instead of just leave it alone for a while. But my gosh, how many years of pass since Pete Rose committed this, you know this crime against baseball. I guess you would call an I dunno Pete Rose said this week, you know, I'm over it. I'm over the hall of fame believe me, I'm fine, not being in the hall of fame. But I'm gonna tell you something. I it hurt it hurts my heart that the game has taken this tax. I love baseball route probably about as much as you do. It was always my dream to grow up and become a pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates. But we have fourteen inch biceps. That's not gonna happen. I'm saying. Feel you probably slow too. Hey, rube? What's going on now on your life? What's happening? What are you doing today in San Diego? Feel I was working on worked for a company for twenty eight years so health insurance and I'm retired about a year and a year ago and my wife and I we spent a lot of times, I, I wrote a book, feel, I wrote a book about my life and my career in split a lot of things that happened to me that we talked about, you know, how I had to keep getting up met in order to live another day. So I wrote this book and I'm real proud of it. I'm looking to get get somebody, I've been working to get somebody help me. Write it edited and get it published. And that's my next. That's my next project to find someone to help me write it. Get it published. Have it out for people by? So what did you write the book for you? Rupe? Or did you write it for fans? You know, when I start writing the book, I was just I was writing. I want to give another side of the story, you know, I've always thought that no matter how you slice it feel there's two sides. Slice, you want to, but it's still too sides. So I want to get another side which was mine. And I haven't talked I haven't said anything and over thirty years. So of course I went to a lot of bad times. But I start writing a book and I say, I might help somebody after Lou while I realise hip myself because I was getting real things that was inside of me that needs to come out, and it made me feel real good. And I know that when people read this book is gonna make them feel good to it's gonna make them think. I get tipped the scale little bit. Give us give us a appoint or to that a what some of the things that you wrote that helped you what, what, what did you need to put down on paper? I forgot how good a ballplayer was because I had up and down to injuries. And I really forgot how good I was and I was in. I was in Texas at the airport. This is two thousand twelve and I had been telling my wife about Nolan Ryan's known around was greatest competitor and wanted to tough his pitches. I've been faced in my life. And I said, you know, it was it was it was it was a different experience base in him. So we have to report in Austin in known Iran's airport, because I said, baby baby, they go, they're going on Iran. So I go to Nolan known around repercussions and he looked at me. Like you know who I was. So I got my wife did. I'm kinda embarrassed. You put Betty on them. Oh man. So we went to security, and he came up to me. You'll hit a home. Run off me, Mike. Thirty years ago. He said, I'm still mad about it. Oh my goodness. It's still remember thirty years ago. I said, Jimmy Christmas, I said, don't worry about Nolan said, oh, the first hit, I have you in two years. In another story. Herro bane, the great hero, Baynes, Baynes, Chicago, White Sox, or saw the man's got me to ballpoint one day throw the first pitch out. So I'm down the field talking to Chris Chambliss, who was the hitting coach de particular time. So Chris, and I was talking in Harold Baines came up to us. He's a hey, Chris, he hit a ball out of Comiskey in. Chris looked at me. And what is a he hit a ball out of Comiskey? That's when echo. Big ball, talk in the world. Oh my goodness. And I hit the ball, we have the story was I faced Tom Seaver, the first time I face Tom Seaver hit a double off the left, centerfield, wall, and basically, loaded. I cleaned the basis beat him at Comiskey now we were in. He was insistent that time or in Cincinnati riverfront stadium. Yeah. So I, I facing my hit a triple double. Left field wall to in three runs. So the next time I come to play, he tells me, a cut fastball any breaks my bat. So the next time I face Tom face, again, he broke to abets Mike. My cut fastball on my hands. So I see Tom three years later and he's pitching with the White Sox. The first time I go to home plate. He does that cut fastball in on my hands. He breaks. My bad again. I'm sitting managers breaking my best. So Larry Asam I was swinging thirty four thirty one at the time a thirty three thirty one ounce bet. So Larry hunter had a big bit. Thirty five thirty five ounces Larry giving his bed. It's what you're gonna do. I'm gonna keep my hip, this bit is you can't get much kitchen with a little bit. How you get to. The bet. So see why on up he cut fastball, and I jumped my hands on that ball and hit it. I say, yes, I got him. And then I looked up I said that's going in the second deck and then all of a sudden about just disappeared into the night. Did they ever did? They ever give you an unofficial measurement of how ball how far that ball went. Well, if you look at the list of the guys who hit balls out of Kaminsky when visiting teams there, they aren't many, but I'm one of man wasn't Comiskey. Hey group wasn't Comiskey's dimension in center field for forty four. It was three three fifty down the lines. It was three eighty five three ninety five and again if the biggest ball with the biggest ball poke in the world. In major league. Baseball niece. Yeah. Man, I remember Comiskey park is being just absolute people thought the astrodome what's have to hit in. I thought Comiskey was absolutely impossible to hit in. I don't think so. Feel I used to hit good and Comiskey. Wow. How'd you do on the astrodome? Let's not talk about the Esther. You know the first game I ever went there to see Roope. I walked in that place. And I said, this is the biggest Maza Liam I've ever seen. It felt it felt awful to me, walk into that place. I didn't like the sound the smell or the look as we don't talk about it feel. That's why we're not gonna talk about it to this day. I don't know why they don't care that sucker down. I think the only person I can think of Rupe that light, the astrodome from hitting perspective was the old giant will Clark will Clark in his first major league at bat hit a home run in the astrodome off Nolan Ryan, what do you think of that? Well, he the one guy can spot supply power. So you hit out at ballpark, the dungeon, man. But you know what? There was one ballpark worse than astrodome. Feel one ball worth Nasser dome to this day. I always tell people when they comply. About the conditions. I said, man, I played in chemistry. And which ones that I said, man, you gotta play in counseling. Bark understand baseball. Ballpoint. The wind blew. They had to put grab on infield because if they put dirty with flower low the place it was always cold. We being there in July and people being stands with Parker zone and blankets company, legs, you talking candlestick. Right. Yes. Candidate park. I hate that please. Yes. Oh, Diane, I did play by play there in nineteen Eighty-four in into your point. I sat in that press box in the broadcast booth with Hank Greenwald in July. Exactly what you're saying. Rupe in July with the ski Jack at the collar pulled up a stocking cap on calling a baseball game. And you remember you remember standing in the batter's box looking out in left field and see on that fog coming down over the top of the stadium into left feel that was a scary scary, look to me on any night was a bad ballpark, Bill O S ever the bad ballpoint field. I'm serious, man. The wheel. Moso hard to pitcher with hat with blowing centerfield. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't that wasn't that where? Oh, shoot Miller. Stan Stu Millard it didn't. He get blown off the mound there in an all star game or something like that. I don't know. It'd be may or may not hate group. I wanna ask you about mental topped us before we take a break, what does mental toughness main to you? Mental toughness is some bible, man. You know, people look at life and they always going to be easy. They look at athletes. Oh man. He's assessment he and he's great man. I've been life is easy for him. He has mental toughness because it takes it takes toughness to be successful. Because there are good days. Bad days. The, the, the gas who are good. They have more good days and bad days, but they have bad days, they can they can wear on you. So the I think no toughness is just being able to answer the bail and being able to do your best each and every day. It might not be your best on one particular day. But it is your best for that day. I remember somebody once told me that you want, you wanna find out how guys mental toughness is talked to him, after he's gone over thirty mired in a slump that he can't get out of that's when mental toughness kicks in. You're listening to Rupert Jones on this edition of changing the game. I'm Phil stone, and we'll be right back with rapid fire questions for Rupe? Don't move a muscle unless you're working out right now. Any case come on back as we're going to keep on moving. All of you listeners out there. I hope it's coming through that the teen here on changing the game loves what we do. And we hope you love it, too. We'd love to hear from you. Give us a shout out Poza question. Tell us your thoughts. What you like what you'd like to hear more of we want to hear from you on social media. Use hashtag changing the game podcast. That's tag changing the game podcast where one big happy family. And we want you to be a part of the a part of the show. Welcome back to our third and final segment of changing the game. I'm Bill stone. Today, we're having a wonderful conversation with former major league star Rupert Jones World Series champion on the nineteen Eighty-four Detroit Tigers Rupe in the final segment of the show. We're going to talk to some softball here. So our listeners can perhaps pick up a few tips for a healthier lifestyle for all of us and to get to know you a little bit better. So Rupe, what's your morning routine like tell us what gives you a little edge for your day? I get up in the morning. I tried to do cO person. Reema Bob wanna pray. Make breakfast breakfast every day, I go to the gym for about an hour after that start working on projects things that I'm doing and. Guessing the work I'm in bed by, I mean, we, we home. We've heard about eight o'clock. Wow, I go to bed between eight and eight thirty every night. So what does that gym workout do for you today? You're not playing baseball anymore. But does it make difference in your life? Well, blood flow is very important when you blood is flowing and you and you're getting good proper oxygen. Yeah. It helps it helps you overall keep them getting certain sicknesses, or keep your arteries, open. So you don't you don't have too much cholesterol issues. I mean help exercises. Is the key to long way long Jimmy exercise five times a week I work out five times a week. And how about the action pains from your baseball career. Do they do? They rear their ugly head from time to time or you're pretty much have those in your rear view mirror field. They never in the rear view mirror d they always out in front of you. I got I got I got broke show, I had rotator coffin labor Sergio on my on my right shoulder. Our head Neo peration had. I guess this issue's back not to mention my head still gives me problem. So I got a lot of things you know. You know did not have. So consequently going to Jim is very important for me because if I didn't go to gym I probably couldn't get out to be. So when you look back at the injuries that USA stained in major league baseball does the game. Still take care of you route from an insurance standpoint, or they still involved in your life. Well, I got a good pension plan. I'm not looking for major league baseball to cure me up play baseball. And I was very, I'm very happy with my my career to certain degree the got hurt. I got hurt doing a love doing playing baseball. I got no regrets for concern and baseball ago. The matter of fact baseball has given me everyday. And to that end Rupe? Named three people. If you can think of three people either in the game baseball, or even outside the game of baseball who provided you with motivation to achieve your goals over the long haul. A high school basketball coach, Mr Paul Daniels. One. My rookie ball manager. Gary Blaylock was another. I got more than three field. All Bill scripture really helped me out on my defense in, in the minor leagues was was important to me. My wife is probably the greatest person. I know. And she, she's she, she the great does the degrades person. No. And she's really sustain meal last twenty two years. I couldn't I couldn't have asked for more than have a wonderful wife locker. Rope is possible to put into words precisely what Betty has provided you with in your post major league career. Mr -bility. You know, she she, she's helped me to overcome a lot of things that I that I deal with. She loves me. She takes care of me. For a long time. I think nobody loves me. Nobody loves me but she did. And she came along, when she loved me, as, as I wrote my book, I said, better gave me something that nobody else would. I said she gave me love. Anytime you got love in your life field. Life is not difficult without love feel this is tough. All these bachelor's and all these bachelorettes they talk about, oh year. It's nice to be single innocent that gnawed ain't nice to be single. It's nice to come home, somebody that you love someone. That makes you want to come home to. Roop. Can you describe something? Something that few people know about you as a person. But that you're really proud of about yourself. I'm proud of the fact field that I made some promises to God that Kip. A lot of promises to God that I didn't keep I made wandered I killed I made to. And the first one was gonna stop drinking alcohol in nineteen Ninety-one, and I stopped drinking alcohol. I haven't had a drink alcohol since nineteen Ninety-one praise God and the second one field was gonna finish the book that I started. The third one I may was I'm gonna get this book publish the where are you right now in that endeavour to get your book published? I'm getting close close up. You know, I this, this industry is a little, different took me a while to kinda like learn the ins and outs. But I'm learning I'm I'm starting to miss a real good people. I got better obstacle better opportunities. I got better. I get better. I'm getting contact with people that are that has been successful stores writing. Listen, sir. It's just a matter of tab, before find someone who. Believes in me. Please when I got. And they won't do a rope when you wake up every day today. What TV shows are you in Betty, watching are there, any like prices? Right. That our number one on your hit parade. Berry that we watch reruns. If you want believe in that I like Sherlock Holmes, so elementary, I take all elementary and I watched him in nighttime all night long. I mean I don't even watch that many sports games. Now I'll take a game like last night. The warriors. I didn't want. Yeah. They sure did. I didn't watch the games to talk with more. So you a binge watcher. No, I just got certain habits. It's like I watch the major major league baseball channel. And I watched that I get the highlights I get my baseball fix for our watching the highlights. So what drives you most about the game today? What drives you crazy about the way the game is played today? Thank there's not that much. If put on. It's the little things that provides you said and up to the big they don't feel. They go for the big thing, but they don't go for the fundamental. I'm starting to see the game differently because these guys, don't the bomb, you know. You know they they took button at the game Senate, where you give out away man Bunning. These guys came filled the blunt, if you seen them if you seen this. Oh, no. I watched I watched a highlight the other day and the team pulled a squeeze play off. They, they bumped ball to are two second basement, a great book. The second baseman went for the ball, the first basically for the ball covering first base. Nobody. Nobody covered first base. Hey, someone turn back. The clock for nineteen Eighty-four. I'm doing San Francisco. Giants games. We talked about it earlier. Hank Greenwald, sitting right beside me. Roger Craig Roger Craig first year Humby manager of the giants. The giants pull off twelve sacrifice. Squeezes. Successfully rupe? Twelve successfully they win nine of the ball games. I haven't seen a suicide squeeze maybe more than one or two since nineteen Eighty-four. Why not? It's crazy. It's a part of the game of baseball. You come to the plate as a hitter and you look up. And the whole defense is on one side of the field. The whole deep is the one side of the field, and you got the whole underside wide open, and these guys land Drass fig. Stabby late ground ball to the other side of the field and get a double man. They can have down and just walked woke the first base, you make the deepest more Ernest. They gotta come back over it. So, so, so why, why aren't the why aren't the managers called on these players at the plate to just short lay down to bunt in walk to first base laid down the third baseline. There's not a guy within a hundred yards of the ball. Why, why don't they why aren't they calling that? Well, they say they don't want get like giving up outs, but I watch guys strikeout team struck out nine times in a game. If you nine times in the game at mean you only plan with twenty or you only playing with eighteen out. Yeah. That's right. Strike useless. So consequently, you playing with eighteen out you're not playing with twenty six at least when you blood you're playing with an extra out. They gotta make a play. Hey, what are you reading these days? Other than your book trying to get your book published. What's what's on your nightstand? What are you? I'm Betty reading. Well, I read a lot of mysteries mysteries. I try to read my books month, I you know, and I'll read mysteries every once in a while I pick up a serious book up with him. So what's your power snack? What, what, what are you, what are you cheating on today? When you head for the coward cupboard at two o'clock in the morning watching the baseball game replays. I'm pretty disciplined, but I learned my pastries and I learned my Browns. So. Love my stream too. So is one every eating a route, you just covered all the desserts. What do you mean? You gotta watch what you eat. You just cover them. All. So when you leave the health and fitness outside the restaurants, when you guys go out to dinner, what's your indulgent meal? What when you say okay, we're gonna we're gonna forget healthy eating tonight. Here's what we're going to order. What's that meal? No feel last night. We had pizza place we go to got the best pizza. We have pizza another place to go to get good. Mexican food. Okay. We got another place. They has Dern good hamburgers. And then we got another place that we go to, they got lettuce rep and they got won't own soup. So we go to certain restaurants to get a meal that we like. We, we go to, you know, we go to cheesecake factory, and we ought to take a Madera every time we walk into cheesecake Victor automatic. I don't have to look into what's Betty order. Same share in every meal. At feel me. We share every meal every meal, we share aren't you still hungry. Way to thirty six. Oh, all right. Rupe true. Confessions are over tell our listeners how they find you and how they get in touch with you. If they if the publisher if it's somebody who just wants to say, hi, is there a place? They can go to to Kate with you. They can go. They can communicate on Twitter. They can communicate with to me on linked in those are two sources that I to social media's that I do Twitter and I do link danso anybody wants to get in contact with me and have a conversation asking a question that's where they can go last question. Rupe? Anyone you see changing the game today and whatever field sports or, or any endeavor doesn't have to be football baseball, or even sports who is making a difference in the world that has earned your respect? Lebron James is number one and the Brown James played basketball for fourteen fifteen years. You never heard any controversy about him. He sent people to school in Afghanistan center with thousand people to college, and that's s phenomenal thing in it self. He's a good family man. I love my trout might try to on baseball player. I would probably pay the play baseball. He plays the game hard he runs hard. He plays. He plays the game like it's supposed to be played. You mentioned baseball. I'm coming to San Diego and a couple of weeks can I interest, you in Betty and coming out to Petco park with me to catch the Padres? Yes, sir. I'd be there. There's one of the Garfield and that's Tom Brady Tom Brady. His forty one forty two four three years old. He's still winning Super Bowls in a close game. I would tell people I take Tom Brady over anybody. And he's is a winner. We all like winners. America was born on greatness, we went Bono. Mediocrity. We have bone on greatness, and if you don't like to watch great people perform what they do matter. What it is a musician actor. So we are. And when we take that away we become mediocre. That's why president says, make America great again. We got we got great individuals. Mohammed Ali, you know send door. We got people or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar should say, we get great athletes. Great people rate musicians. Great businessman. This country was bone on greatness mitt. You know, everybody's accept mediocrity now. And it's not his greatness. We've been talking to a man today who knows something about greatness, he never accepted mediocrity. He was dealt a bad hand injury after injury after injury. But Rupert Jones fought through them all friends, whether you know, him or not as a player, this is one great man. And most of all, he's been a great friend of mine for many years, Roper Jones. Thank you so much for joining us, my friend from your home in San Diego. It has been -joyed. Thank you very much feel. It's been a joy for me to this is changing the game. Powered by functional remedies Endo sport, the leading hemp oil for professional and amateur athlete. Alight. To learn more, go to functional remedies dot com. This gas trumpets, the value of being fit living, a healthy lifestyle and positioning yourself to be oh, you can be for as long as you will be changing. 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Billy Bean, MLB Special Assistant to the Commissioner

The Twelve Six Podcast

1:03:13 hr | 9 months ago

Billy Bean, MLB Special Assistant to the Commissioner

"The On. His. Hey everybody. Welcome back to the twelve six podcast. I'm your host Collin McHugh. Baseball season is underway and you might have heard by now but I have chosen to opt out of this short twenty twenty season. After four days were already having to postpone games due to cove outbreaks. Now. I'm not an alarmist and my opting out was not solely because of the risks of playing during a pandemic. y'All had lingering arm issues that just won't resolving fast enough to justify continuing to play or try to play this year but games being cancelled four days in because of an outbreak is concerning. We're starting a season in a country where cases are not going down. Nor cities that have it contained. Teams are doing their best to keep us safe. Shout out to the Red Sox who are truly a first class organization in that regard. But guys getting the virus getting sick and spreading it is a big problem. And not just because it means that your entertainment for the night got cancelled. These are human beings contracting a potentially debilitating virus. Just trying to do their jobs and I, know that you understand. People across this country are having to do the same thing. Work protect themselves as best as possible, get tested and pray that others are doing the same. because. That's really the only way we're going to get back to any sort of normal anytime soon. But all of that is content for another time. Today, we are talking to a new friend of mine who is playing a really important role in the Commissioner's office former player Billy beane. Billy played for six years and is one of two openly gay players to have ever played in the league. He opens up about debut and success at an early age, his struggles with understanding sexuality while playing. And his hopes for baseball's inclusive future. As always make sure you subscribe to the show so that you're always up to date whenever new episodes air. Balls in the middle of a strange and potentially radical shift both on the field and off, and my hope is to continue these talks with the people at the center of these changes. With that in mind I hope you enjoyed today's conversation Billy Bean. David. I. Thank you so much for for doing this my pleasure. I said I've had like a technology nightmare two days. Corporate America is involving so fast especially now nobody sees each other. Every young NEUM personnel office is changing the dynamic of the way we communicate. And also MLB makes you change your passwords like every thirteen days. I ever lost my phone I might as well. Just. Wander, the world. As one of my honestly one of my biggest fears if. If. I. Hear that on it. I don't want to take up a ton of your time tonight. I know that A. Valuable these days. But I WANNA talk to you about a few things terror one. To you plane grew. Okay. To talk about your understanding of your sexuality and the kind of the process of coming out but as a as a baseball players in. In any part of any of this, like I don't talk about this uncomfortable or read that just let me know you're good. You're good I my both my life is out there in the. Way. That, I've learned to communicate effectively I think is by sharing personal experience as opposed. To how I think the world should go in first of all I just WANNA. Say I had a chance to listen to two of your podcasts and? The woman vote was amazing. Man I. Took for run. It was hot as balls outside I don't hold time you do your homework and. For someone. You remind me kind of even though the whole generation is different but a sort of a player who understands this amazing moment while it's happening taking the time to appreciate reach avocado you were really generous with. The similar life experience of with Tony, Kemp today listen to that and how we lived a privileged life without even understanding what that means and in one other thing. I. Don't know if we could talk about it gets too but just a straight I share. Figuring to learn and. You're GONNA do really well off the field I hope you play for another seven or eight more years but. I really appreciate that you're right like where we're at right now if we're not willing to learn than, it's just so much noise coming to us at all directions, I feel. So disoriented sometimes about like what to believe, I. Can't like lean on people who actually lived experiences in follow kind of their compass I duNno. It's hard to know where you're where you're headed win ago. So I appreciate you. Lending your experience here but me in the listeners in you as a special assistant to the commissioner right now. I have a lot of the responsibility square under shoulder. So how are you argue do it in all this? You know it's it's been the most incredible. Learn as you go experience last hundred fifteen days or whatever it's been since everyone of our lives change. In early March I was on the road actually just getting ready to do big Arizona's spring training swing, and for minute you know whether you're GonNa get back home you know the the airports are GonNa work. It just seems like from that first day to now. Trying to understand and grasp where. Baseball fits in giant picture of of humanity, and then I think once. There was some confidence that we could navigate around the the covid nineteen virus in begin to plan for a better moment. Our office has it's is just really been seven days a week. Endeavor because the rules have changed as you can better say to your listeners. You know there was a moment where we thought all the Games we're going to be Zona, and then you know all of them in Florida and might spring training was getting ready to happen and analysis craft, and now we're in our regular season ballparks you know. Managing. What clubs had to go through with the minor league players who couldn't return home in spring training was incredible. You know stressful moment where we were just trying to figure out the safest way to. Take. Care of those young kids and you know communicate. All of that as many languages, we speak in baseball every culture everyone was processing differently and it's just been I feel like a parent with a lot of kids. I. Think you know where I worry more probably than I should but we're trying to forecast everything is supposed to. Picking up our phone in reading about what you did last night in the seventh and eighth inning the hold of a win for the bus red sox he's an astros. We're not. We don't have anything to talk about except. A potential options are you know a scenarios and I think that it's it's weighed on his heavily on there's nothing more important than keeping the players safe. And providing an environment where fans can it be enjoying the situation or we can get it televised to bring maybe a moment of of peace away from a very worried. You know moment for everyone so I would just have to say that. It's it's the navigation through. That has been a really amazing experience lot of people that really love baseball are trying their very best to bring it back. In Naked Save, we can for you guys to get out there and show you what you can do. Yet it's. There's so much different now than it's been in the past that almost embracing the. The Manny at the mania of it is. The whole point at this point, right like everything's changed from where we're situated at clubhouses Hauer be able to travel and all that kind of stuff. So like. I keep telling people. Don't think about this as compared to baseball off last hundred and fifty years. Let's think about this almost in a vacuum and say like, what can what can this do for us? What can do for the country right now baseball is not going to cure a lot of ills that we had gone on him country but. It can give us a little bit of a refuge for three hours a night. We can I think that that definitely has helped us when we try to keep just keep telling yourselves. This is just for twenty twenty. You know that you know but optimistically staying in that space but. Ultimately, we still don't know where we're going I live in New York City I, work out of the Commissioner's office the main central office here in New York was just ground zero for the first two months. And now we seem to have you know really flat curve and but then you look down south in the So many other states are navigating to a very difficult time. So he assumption that everything's GonNa be perfectly fine going into twenty twenty one even that is starting to get on the minds of the so. I think you know part of our job is to. Manage his sport in give is a chance to play in I. Guess You for listeners the mindset is. Trying to entertain every possible scenario and be able to communicate that to all these. Will we appreciate it as players I know that? A lot of us going back had reservations about trying to trying to do this in the middle of that's going on in the world and especially in this country right now but we appreciate the hundred thirteen pages of. Everybody spent fit like hours in trying to come up with. But before your job as special assistant, you came on with Major League. Baseball as the ambassador for correct? Yes. In two thousand, fourteen I was. named. At the very first time that the job. it was created I guess for me. With the intention of expanding conversations of fostering a inclusive respectful accepting workplace in our sport, we had just added a sexual orientation to workplace protection laws that many corporations had already added and I think that there was a couple of people in our office that. Had heard of me but did not have thought about me for a long time. For your listeners it's interesting to note that in one hundred, fifty, one year history of Major League Baseball only two former major league players have ever publicly disclosed. that. They are gay of player Glenn Burke who played in the seventies for the in Los Angeles, dodgers and myself I didn't know anything about Glenn, when I was a player I, didn't know anything about you know lgbt issues at that time and you know we can go into that throughout the course of this discussion. But I left baseball under some really really difficult off the field scenario my life of. Kind of slid into by living in the closet in hiding secret from my family. And was away from the sport for over ten years and it was through the leadership of our office that I was brought back to help foster conversations and really help instill. A better understanding of what was going on in the world for the players you you started you've made it. You Don Collins in two thousand twelve and I think that maybe you can probably communicate to the difference between baseball in two thousand twelve to the difference in baseball in two, thousand, sixteen or seventeen. The way we educate the players The resources in funds. That really began with my conversations of walking into a major league clubhouse in facing a bunch of grown men like yourself. In sharing my life story in ten minutes. About the amount of time that a major League Abou- slow laugh allow you to. Share your message with before they need to get out of their own business. Yes. It's true. Funding especially in spring training finding an hour during game feels like pulling teeth. So, I I can imagine. And I hope I'm wrong here and tell me if I am but it feels like from my perspective. Baseball. Collectively meaning players staff fans. There's a general kind of lack of awareness when it comes to. Advocacy for LGBTQ, community from your job as the ambassador for inclusion to now have you seen that change. Well. I think we have to be fair to the players First of all, most of the athletes, all of the athletes are young. And just like in my own family. I I grew up in a very I would say homophobic environment. Wasn't by any choice or decision it was just seventies eighties my dad stepfather's ring core on the oldest defy boys. I was good at sports. I made the Big Leagues Before I was twenty one got A. quarterback in football team in high school played on the basketball team I didn't know anything about gay people or LGBT. They didn't use those terms in my generation, and so I think utilizing the experience that I had in my life, I can understand from a player's perspective. Why? They. Would never have thought about an issue like this and I think my job is to make provide information that offers them the consideration to make that decision for themselves and provide the why. Why why is it important for a player? Who's going to Sunday work for a billion dollar franchise and represent something so much bigger than themselves where a whole state or or A. World Class. City is playing to possibly wear their. Jersey. I they need a chance to understand better, and once that I've had that opportunity tonight it is it is up to them and I think that when I first started I don't think I've I've ever not wanted to do something so much in my life than you know walk into legally clubhouse in share you know my personal story where there's nothing more than a player wants to watch her clubhouse until respect from his peers and to feel like he has earned the right to be in that room because he is paid his dues or he is just not good. Even own first year players. No matter even if they have a huge investment behind the bay still WANNA prove the veterans that they belong in there and you don't get to the big leagues this year baseball player I you know I mean you can't go half half way and So, you know personally identified one hundred percent is a baseball player every bit of my self. Esteem. Or the way I valued myself had to do if I got knocks, you know that game and went home and felt like I had a job the next day so. Remembering all that I think that you know for me to go in there too soon that a player assist a bad person because they don't know lgbtq plus names is narrow sighted on my behalf in my job is to. Continue to find ways to communicate that are relatable and I. think that because I'm a former player understanding that I'd rather have an amazing seven impactful minutes and talk for forty five minutes about how hard my life was two other guys. It's been successful and I think that from when I started to wear his now. I'm still blown away and amount of players who you know come up to me when I'm around the ballpark and say man, if I have a teammate who wants to come out I'll I'll be fired up for Each all wanted knows is he willing to go to battle with me? Is he going to be out there every day he agreed teammate and I think that some of the examples. That athletes have seen when someone tries to. Capitalize or gain visibility or popularity for something that they do off field I think the players sometimes they have. You know a little resentment about it or they're like, Hey, what what's what's the big picture there? So I think if if an athlete just doing it because you know he's tired of hiding his family and he wants to just have as you know a same home environment you and your wife do I, think the players would be. Very, accepting of that and and that's what I hope for when the first player decides to do it as an active player. I hope so too I was GONNA conversation this offseason with the Sean doolittle. Of the nationals. We were talking about it talking both about how separately had conversations in clubhouses really throughout her career as crazy enough as it sounds trying to argue for the possibility that there are players major baseball right now and to me, it feels very, very close minded to think that we couldn't even have many players in baseball right now. But. I WanNa talk about your story a little bit something that kind of. Leads into where where I'd like to. Everyone, but you were like you said great athlete growing up oldest five boys football basketball baseball. You got drafted by Detroit Tigers to the. Tigers in fourth round in eighty six is that it got drafted by Yankees. Ninety, five in my college coach talked to me in A. Great country to Milana going back to school, and we ended up going to called world series. For guys made a big leagues off. My College team at Loyola. Marymount. Jim Bruschi Chris. Donald. Timmy Liana Myself. So you know you never know how things worked out but dagga drafted by the Tigers a fourth round in the big leagues six months later. Say That were. John smoltz way back and Kinda. Got Up to the big leagues quickly as well. But six months is like what you twenty one years old John's Molten got drafted in the same draft he was. Man Talking about the one that got away from the dire that was a bad batch ray but. We you know I remember him spring training. Yeah I got off to a flying start in baseball and you know nobody knows how players are gonNA handle with Batson in I was I played I played four years of college which wasn't so Out of the norm in those. And I graduated in They Aa supposed to give me some money because they didn't have any leverage and. I just tore up the eastern league and then they sent me an instructional league and I had four hundred there with you know where Instruction League was all top prospects in those days. And majorly manager showed up and and then. I got I. went to I. Got invited the Big League camp and I mean, I, think I had four hundred. There's some crazy I i. don't know I was in a bubble and next thing you know Guy Gaga Toledo Ohio. Toledo mud hen I hit three home runs the first week at twelve rb is and. Somebody got hurt and my. Manager was guiding Leon Roberts and this is the worst ballpark in pro baseball those days in. I know they're playing a joke on me because I was the youngest guy triple eighteen and next thing I know A. Big Leagues Often, I got a major league record. I got four hits in my very first big-league game and got off to a great start a big leagues and and then I think Kirk Gibson came off deal and I found a spot on the bench. I didn't play for like fifteen days in then like I forgot how to hit. You know sad story that every player has but I never sat on the bench in in a game in my life, I don't think and. Here I am in the Big Leagues and I the the truth about going through the minors. So quickly as you really don't know what kind of player you are, and I think that you hit a home run, you think you're a power hitter and if you still a base, you think you're installment and Ricky Henderson, and if you have a bad game, you think you're terrible plan and that was the adjustment that I had to make was understand I was really good. The miners a kept getting called up the big leagues and I wasn't good enough to start or I just looked like I was fourteen years old I was guy coming off the bench and I really really struggled mentally I think trying to figure out where I fit in and then I started struggling with my sexual orientation and that's when you know looking back. I really it was so hard for me to accept how I felt like fumbled my my opportunity to be a big league baseball player. Even I played six years in the majors of if felt like it went by a blink of an eye and in it was you know chequered career at best. But I you know I was certain that you know for me that I was somebody I didn't quite understand what my sexual orientation was. I was married my college girlfriend. We were together eight years. Amazing. Women who very, very close with today. But when I first met somebody, I was flamed I'd been traded a couple times. And I was playing in San Diego and I, met somebody I left my marriage immediately it was the first person I'd ever had relationship with and that's when I started a living a double life in also trying to understand like what that meant I had never there was no internet in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three. There was no way to learn about things except by talking to people and I know that the seem impossible for people to understand but. You only news about gay people knows days where people dying of AIDS and it was grim the stereotypes were. Everywhere robust I never saw an image of gay person that I could relate to I was center fielder in the major leagues. By just had his terrible dark secret that I was more afraid of telling my family. For you know I think most of the time because I really thought they would like disown me I mean that's that's where it was in my mind. And then every image you're talking about how players are still grasping with acceptance for lgbt issues in twenty twenty and this was you know nine, hundred, ninety, two, ninety, three, and I was sure that baseball would never ever accept and also thought there could never have been another player. Like me ever because what how could there be you know just really really stuck in darts ace and you know when I met my first partner. I listen to your podcast. The other day you said that your your wife is half Persian for half. And my I met someone who was uranium and and so was a cultural difference as will a person spoke six languages didn't know anything about sports was raised in Europe. taught me a lot about life. I taught him a little bit about baseball and for a while I started fleeing better than I'd ever played in I really felt like. I had a little sliver of light in happiness a little bit of the time during the day. And I would go to the park in I would really struggle I remember sitting in my car. Trying to flesh all those thoughts out of my head had to be. The. Baseball player my roommate was Brad Office. catcher in San Diego for many years managed the Detroit Tigers in the Los. Angeles angels playing the big plays eighteen years in one of my best friends I've ever had and I remember thinking. If. He ever found out you never WANNA be my friend in in in ironically the role that we've gone down after him and his wife about. How of sent? They weren't and I never thought I could talk to them about and it was. A bitter pill to swallow down the road but. The hardest part I think about my my career. Why left baseball just around the time that I was starting to learn how to play the big league level. Is At my partners was Sam he died of HIV, related causes the night before opening day nineteen ninety-five. I I thought. I didn't know what to think and. Taken, into the hospital the night before. He was really really suffering his health had we just found out Vin each I be positive about a month and a half before there was no medication in those days that was truly effective. In, everybody was susceptible to different issues when you're immune system is compromised and died right in front of me of cardiac arrest. Around seven am in the San Diego hostile and we had a one o'clock game that day and I went to the ballpark. and. You know I think. Part of the process that has allowed me to have the capacity to do the job that I am asked to do is all of those mistakes that I made mostly to my detriment where. Fear of trusting people that love me and that I loved. Because I was so hung up on the one issue the stereotypes that gay men were you know thrust with by people in my world by athletes five perfect specimen guys. It never had been bullying today of their lives or you know wealthy and you know of privilege in. And then of course, whether you're a person of privilege or not if you're a greatest force, you're never subjected to any type of. stereotype that you might be feminist by other guys looked up to as world-class athletes and I think that that last year for me after my partner died. In trying to hold it in not talk about it's anybody I, just finding thought there someone like me did not deserve to be in baseball or I needed to get out. And instead of talking to anybody remain or my parents or. Doctor or a friend, I just walked away from baseball in as a young player and. was. Truly. Of the things that I can control in my life one of the great regrets that I always have and so I have. A determination to try to be. Through the lessons I've learned how life has. Provided me opportunities to learn from amazing people when I stopped hiding from the truth many of them in the Lgbtq community who went through similar experiences but triumphant and became great role models in fighters, her civilize equality for everybody. It's really helped me put those decisions behind me and try to be a person. They can build a bridge to what was a huge divide between you know not only major league baseball but all professional sports. you know with the visibility in the way the world has changed. There's been so much education in there's been so much progress but social media allows for incredible acts of bias and bigotry in hates and I really think that. Social media is the reason why we don't have athletes who are coming out in the major sports because. You know you know how hard it is to be in the major leagues to stay in the major leagues to to. Maximize your earning potential to take care of your family, the sacrifices that your family makes while you're a player. Just like the ones you're going to right now to play where maybe your health is at risk, but the opportunity in the the privilege of being it world class athlete biology genetics in are you don't get to be this person that you are very long and you have to make the most of that for me I think from what I have seen the educational opportunities we've had I think that is probably a bigger reason why we're not seeing athletes make decisions more about business than it is about acceptance I think that many of them do have strong internal. Support groups that maybe they just keep off the grid of in private where someone like me I didn't even trust at because I grew up in a time where the messaging was just one hundred percent negative. Baseball feels especially at the professional level. Feels like it's an extremely tight knit group and community of players and staff and people in the game kind of cheap things in the game and it goes back to me thinking about Glenn Burke when he was playing. His teammates of his teammates knowing that he was gay. At the back. Do you feel like it works. The same way with you like did I know that he didn't come out to a surly your teammates then but did you feel like you had that same community that every other guy had in the baseball world? It's interesting that I Glenn, Burke Stanley very well, and Glenn grew up in a very accepting. Loving family that? He never. Thought to hide his sexual orientation, which is so amazing. You know to be for him. He grew up in the sixties you know and. And I think that that had a lot to do with his being much more in like a secure place. I talked dusty Baker few times about it was good friends with Glen and he just said Glen had no problem with himself and if he if you had a problem with it, he would say, right you got a problem with me. You know he was more confrontational in that way. I think in my situation. And, I and I. Definitely think to your point that glimpse as were not the problem at the time it was the institution of baseball wondering how fans would react. In that could have been just a couple of people and I think maybe part of the reason why Glenn continued to not you know it was because his teammates were judging him more about You know what he did on the field started in the world series you're not I mean that's an amazing accomplishment if you think about it. And I in my my case. I grew up in an environment that was I think the opposite of that. But it it wasn't by design. It was just a lack of education lack of being around diverse. Like I said I never met anybody that told me gay until think I was in the big leagues. Like. You know through college Los Angeles I lived in West Hollywood you know a when I was on the dodgers because my agent Picton apartment for me that we have invested in a building like the nine players owned or something i. mean just the most random thing like the for some I'd ever seen anybody that was comfortable with their sexual orientation. In West Hollywood, which was a a is a gay destination for years and years and years, and but for me, I think the. Feeling like. Everything was at stake. I just did not give my teammates chance and I plead with. Emily never did amazing documentary about my life. It was really really hard to watch because I. You know put it all out there but I played with auspice Trevor Hoffman Arche Rocco Dave Hansen. Chris Donald's. Andy Ben is any ashby. Phil plantier. Tony Gwynn was so. Amazingly Nice to me for three years that I was recently basketball even he would actually he actually was throwing me soft toss one time I was like this is not happening Tony Gwynn, is pitching soft Austin on me having Baseball like you know it was just like. Literally we felt like had died and gone to Heaven I. Mean The guy is the most amazing person and. I felt like an impostor, the whole time I think. I just didn't want those friendships to change and I love those guys and then when my story came out. Every single one of them almost. Like. Billy should've just told us you know and. I back in I think about quitting as a major league player. And realizing that that is never going to happen again and and you know those are the tried of examples and I try to share with the players about the privilege of playing in whether it's about sexual orientation or treating women with respect or posting something bigoted on the internet or you know not signing a kid's autograph whose whole life is going to be impacted by that moment. Because they look up to you these are I think relatable experiences about just the the the wonderful opportunity and I can't take those. Back. But I've learned that I was very lucky to play. You on a couple of teams not every team is light team. I played in San Diego. The first team I got called up to the big leagues with Detroit Tigers. Those guys felt like my uncles they were so much older than me. You know what I mean like. Jack Morrison Alan Trammell Gibson. Darrell Evans Dave Bergman Lou Whitaker Larry Hunted Chet Lemon. You know just on and on and on. And I feel like I feel like a kid and then you know in La we we had a a bunch of some good guys. My socia-, Hatcher Orel hershiser state great fans with them because of baseball and my job now but it wasn't a close team now like the San Diego Padres team was that I played on that would have been the moment that I could've trusted my teammates and I'll never know how that would have played out. Because I never gave it a chance so. That's one of the great regrets that I have. Because I think you don't many times it's like. I did a lot of work in bullying prevention education when I was away from baseball. And I really felt like I. Found a niche where. When I was not connected to our sport that Created athletic environments where every kid fell valued and had a chance to compete in find their voice whether or not judged like a three on three or five on five take a basketball game in the park. It doesn't matter if you're you know what gender you are, what color you are. If you're tall your short great and you can wade, you get to play and everybody starts bond and and I always try to have that simple methodology when it came to sports in in finding acceptance. But for me I, never really gave myself at chance in it's one of the great regrets that I have. Now. You talked about the idea of players relationships changing if they were to know or the fear that the relationship you had with his teammates will change if they were to know the you game in. To baseball like along the entire way does that inform the way you looked at and understood yourself from sexuality standpoint? Yeah. I think that like I said Baseball Baseball has always displayed Jackie Robinson because we have the greatest of if not the greatest athlete of all time with what he had to persevere while he had to compete a broke the color barrier but we kind of stood on that. Act of bravery by one person and. Didn't really expand on it as quickly as we should have like the sixties in the civil rights movement, we could waste our support for. African Americans superstars. Henry Aaron will be maze Frank Robinson Bob Gibson. Curt flood those players. There was no messaging that ever told me that it was okay to be gay in Baseball I. Don't know if that was baseball's responsibility at the time. The only sign that I ever saw baseball says don't gamble now is on the front of the clubhouse door. Should and you know you better not to do it, and if you did you get in trouble. So you know that was a form of education in a work because they were consistent with it and I think that until leadership. Grasped that there is a responsibility to our communities to our fans to our employees. And, our players are greatest messengers and we need to provide some educational resources that are gonNA, give them a fighters chance and being good citizens in the world just because you're a great pitcher rape baseball player Inter doesn't mean that you know what socially responsible you know issues are all about or what politics serve out. I remember you know the expectations a an athlete like. Serena Williams Venus Williams when they were fifteen there number one players in the world and they're being asked questions about you know global politics and things. It's it's a disservice to them their children and they're just great sport and I I think that that's where it coming i. feel a huge sense of responsibility to provide. Resources that I never saw I remember playing for the padres in the San Francisco giants held. An until there's a cure. At candlestick park that was an organization. That, they were supporting an a night to support people living. With HIV AIDS when a time when people were still dying and it was I I was. I couldn't. I I didn't even know it was the first time like my life intersected from whole to the Ballpark and here I just felt like everyone would be able to see this secret hiding and I I. My my body was tensed up and I think about you know times like that and I wonder how I'm able to play as long as I did, which is a whole other conversation about you know challenging. Another way that I try to challenge the players about. You know play as long as they will have, you play leaving everything that your body can you know provide on that field because when you are ten years out of your career, you're going to look back. You're going to be so grateful that you gave it everything you got cause you got your whole life to former play, and that is a whole different perspective for being sued enough for the Boston red. SOx Opening Day two weeks you know. Yeah I remember last year when or maybe it was two two years ago. This point win the Astros announced. They were going to do a pride night in Houston for the first time. And the only two teams are two of the teams with few who had yet to pride night or? HOUSTON. In Atlanta to the cities that. That I've spent my entire adult life. And from my point of view to cities with a extremely diverse environment gay community. So it made no sense to me why baseball which is a huge community activator wasn't getting out in front of it like you were saying and able to. Use The weight that ask for some good enforce change. I guess if if you and I both agreed that there is most likely at least a gay player in Major League Baseball Right now. What do you think it would take from a cultural perspective may be. To make be a safer place for a player like that to feel. Like he can come out and be exactly who he is. On off. Will I think? It's a combination of two things I think that for player to make that consideration there they they must be or are very secure in in in who and what they are, and that is probably ninety percent of the battle. My hope is and I've had a couple of experiences with minor league players that had not been playing very long. To come out and one that did and from the perspective of someone that are in place in your career bear game person who happens to play baseball and if there was a let's say you know as you're seeing if one player is ready to make that decision kind of like Jason Collins did was a player who had you know very well established in the NBA he's the only active athlete in the four major men team sports to ever probably or ever play as a publicly out gay man, which is incredible to think about. And like I said one, hundred, fifty, one year history allegiance leading myself and we came out we didn't come out publicly Glenn was. Known to some player, but he didn't come out in the media until after he was out baseball and pushed out of baseball and I didn't do it until three years after I was done. I did it kicking and screaming then but I think if a player has got like four or five year history of bigly service time and has proven himself that would be a one box and I would love to check for that perfect scenario. To come up because then that player will have established himself as a major league baseball player with his peers with his team. To be playing in this day and age in your fifth or six year. You're an amazing player this bottom line you guys are so great. Now the competition is so intense at I. Just think that athletes blazed the trail. And because it's going to be a lot of pressure put on that person, it's it's no different when you become the face of any conversation that is doing with our visit about throwing baseball or hitting a baseball, it's going to tax a little bit on your day to day preparation and that has a lot to do with the media. I think a player like that might become. One of the most popular players. Right away. He'd have a lot of enemies right away and I think someone had been around a little bit with understand that this is going to invite people on the fringe into their life a little bit. The middle is all going to just treat them just the same. And I, think you know for the most part that's kind of what social media is. There's a huge you know percentage of society that doesn't participate in that, and then there's a small part that really likes to have added. That's all it is gets read in. So Am seems to represent a broader audience I really feel comfortable with the way baseball. is necessarily, we were tired on Indian messaging what used to be deemed funny I. Mean Women used to be sexualize every single night on the scoreboard in big league ballparks you know and there was no understanding about. How antiquated and how biased indiscriminating is and how disrespectful it is. And people just get so condition to it that they just turn the other cheek the way managers used to talk about other players are An Empire you know either feminizing them or you know a calling the names that sex's Pino we used to turn it a cheek in those days are over and I think that players have seen discipline handed out when disparaging and bigoted comments Have you been author Sissy premeditated and that by large every player understands what MLB's message of acceptance is all about in why we want everyone to feel comfortable to walk through the turnstiles and enjoy a big game it's very much the same as a couple years ago. Adam Jones you know did such a brave. Brave thing we finally stood up and said I am not going to let these people comedies, racist names anymore and and baseball it was. There was an understanding that that happened here there but then we started listening to our African American players and realize that this is. Happening all the time and we had to take a stand acknowledged. And and make changes and made the fans held accountable when they will never be invited back because we don't want that environment no players should be subjected to that type of dialogue and it's the same thing for homophobic commentary and you know it's it doesn't happen overnight but I can assure you that there's so much consideration in resources time and effort on. Making environment for everyone to feel comfortable in a big league game and I think that the players have noticed that I think you could probably You know I'd love to ask you one hundred questions about you know the big league life inside the clubhouse where. We've changed the way that you guys talk to each other because our managers starting up at the top leadership general managers are owners They have made that a determination that this is the way we're going to go about it anymore. You know that was all acceptable You know when I played man, you can say whatever you want. You know it just was the way it was and there was no ramification for that in the have changed for the better in that regard. Hartley because. Of exposure right now, we are in the Social Media Age where? It's hard to not be exposed to everything all the time. So whereas a player might not have actually met a gay person in their life, they might not have any friends that are in the Lgbtq community but. You've seen enough at this point to know what's Okay and what's not okay to say for the most part I I will say like. I still hear things. I was telling Tony Kemp as. I remember back in two thousand, fifteen, I made it an initiative minded if I heard if I heard a homophobic fraser slur or joke. I was just GonNa say that's not okay. We can't do that. And it becomes, you know at least a little bit of a something cutting through just the noise of this is normal. This is normal. This is normal and I think a racial perspective. We've had such a rich history like you said of African American and Latino players in baseball throughout our history and just having all of those players around all the time I think naturally. Or naturally breaks through some of that So that racial bias that people have. Definitely I would say calling that until two thousand, eighteen, we had a three young high profile. Players Josh Hater trae Turner Sean Newcomb. They were subjected to a lot of athletes are subjected to where people keep an eye on you as you're coming up through the ranks and they go look in your social media history a catalog, and they hold onto it for when you make your big splash into the national stage and. All three of those athletes This is one of the jobs that I have is sort of a point person in sensitivity training in really trying to get to the. Understand why the situation may have occurred and all three of these cases were similar and that those they their social media tweets and they had multiple. Hosts from six and seven years ago you can think about that. They did not even know that they were there any of the players themselves but my point is, is that all three of them have only made homophobic and sexist comments in their social media feeds nobody would have made a big deal about it but they made racist comments alongside of them and those three players had to walk back. Into that clubhouse they play for and one of the most amazing things I ever saw with my own eyes in baseball was the brewers have asked me to come in and meet with Josh. Meet with the media he was coming back as his comments were revealed during the All star break of two thousand eighteen and I. Watched Lorenzo Cain. Walkover in a live press conference in put his arm around Josh. Until him that he he forgave his teammate because he knows that that's not the person he is now and I honestly think It may have saved his career I mean the pressure wave Josh I saw with my own eyes how bad he felt embarrassed by something that he authored seven years before when he was not a professional athlete but the rentals generosity, there was truly I mean. It gives me goosebumps to this day because he did not have to do and that team had has done amazingly well since then and I think he saved the ball club to could have torn apart. The clubhouse says you could probably imagine. In Josh has electrified career in front of him, he's in amazing hitter and he was being defined by his absolute worst moment. But my point is, is that when you mix racist comments because of baseball's history in the space but for me part of my education programming that all three of those, the way guys used to brag about you know. or A woman in the? Stands. You know that was the those days are over. You know invest you want to bring the whole world into your lap and start talking about why you're sexist. Bias towards women. So I think that you know like you said representation seeing more and more women sports we hire six women as coaches who are GonNa be in the dugouts one of the major leagues Eliza, a Knockin with the San Francisco giants that's going to shift that part of the conversation in until the day that we have a lgbt player who's willing to bring in conversation into their life we're still going to have to battle the. Reality that a lot of players are never going to have intersected with the gay person on a day to day basis until maybe later on in their lives true at a lot of things end up. China's coming down at a lot of ways kind of come down to players policing themselves. You know as a player like that's a mantra that's always repeated over and over again while the players the players will police themselves I'll take him don't police themselves. But from my experience and probably your experiences while. You can't police something that you don't know you're doing Brian can't police something that isn't wrong. Well, that's exactly what actually wrong thing at that point. Yes. I mean, it's like a understanding as parent you know your child is going to make a mistake until they learn otherwise and I think that especially you think about players who have players from Korea from Japan you know from fifteen different countries in. South. America from all the United States Canada Caribbean. Culturally everyone is coming from a different place and you throw those people together and then you have it there twenty one years old and they've been doing playing baseball their whole lives and all of sudden you know they got a nice. Place to live in the big city, and there's a lot of really interesting people in them and they have all these different influences in there's it's very ripe for. Opportunity, for bad things to happen, and I think that you know going into you know my my strategy has always been that we have to assume that they don't know very much and let's let's make it real easy at the beginning, and let's have some really strong consistent values that were providing. have some repetition there, and then until they're ingrained in and understood in a way that they can make those considerations for themselves. I agreement I'm I'm looking forward I'm looking forward to the day where that is just the everyday reality in baseball because as I've said, a million times I'm a huge baseball fan I. Love the Game I love the people in the Games in the most interesting people I've ever met in my life. Have Been Baseball players or. Baseball reporters or broadcasters, coaches and. Like you said, we come from all aspects of life all over the world in every different background possible. I. I always feel like if there's a place where acceptance is a natural has a natural path. Baseball is that place? So I'm looking forward to that. Well I think. It's important to know that you know this cultural amazing cultural shift. It's we've all witnessed since the horrific murder of George Floyd. Social, justice initiatives that baseball. is going to great lengths to provide resources to our players is another indication of us. Wanting to do better in understanding and I think this is a very exciting time. For players that are going to have the support of their organizations in their communities to use their platform for good and I think that you are a shining example of somebody who has. Already taken advantage of that opportunity and how effective it can be I think that they're going to see. We're going to see some great leaders emerged over the next couple of years I. You know like I said, the scale of baseball is daunting the turnover. Aside from this year, you know with the amount of players that are drafted each year, the new players coming in in two thousand nineteen, we have eight thousand men wearing a professional baseball jersey somewhere in the world. and. So the task is big to take care of that responsibility of educating them, keeping them healthy, helping them, improve giving them an opportunity to realize their talent, and then there's all those stingy seven fifty jobs. Now we got a seven, hundred, seventy, six, I think that took thirty, twenty, six, one, morning she seven. Eighty jobs. This year is of amaze for all of us right now, I don't know how we got thirty to start. Decision, but my point is is they're not everybody makes to the major leagues. It's it's a privilege you should feel so proud of yourself for the crave carved out for yourself in continued to do. So in my dream for everybody is that you know when their career's over, they walk away and really can say that they gave it everything they had and they didn't do anything off the field to the detriment that put after your jeopardy i. Feel. Great contentment in their life and that's something that I have had to live with an except that I wasn't able to do that and I didn't trust my family at entrust my friends and I brought all of it on my own but I wasn't equipped with the what I am now and I think that I I'm always going to be a person back. Then a little bit and why I'm protective of the players always from the out from the start at that, we need to give them a chance. They all are very, very fortunate to be playing in stained age because if if we can get past this pandemic in back to what normal Houston feel like for all of us you know the facilities, he opportunities. The information you guys have a available to yourselves. It's just so exciting as a former player in I'm a big Fan of baseball to on I I. Love It. I love watching the Games I'm still amazed at. How hard guys are throwing now, these five or six guys can throw that hard. When I play in, it's It's something to watch the founders. I don't know if I would have got into the game getting around long I had if I was trying to break right now. It's amazing to think that it's changing that quickly and how also think one of the interesting Differences is my generation. They loved when we played a bunch of sports because they knew it would be good athletes and there was a longer learning curve in the minors. You have guys coming up in twenty seven nobody thought that that was a terrible indictment or some the embarrassed about. And those days wrote kids are playing baseball. You know from singularly seven or eight, and now it seems like we can tell players in big into the big leagues by the time they're eighteen or nineteen. Just because of the way. They look when they're running or throwing her swinging back. So it's IT'S A it. It's an amazing time and I think that the fans. You know you see Perry records but that the athletes are amazing. Now you guys really have taken the game to a new level and I I feel so privileged to be a part of our sport and I look at it as an amazing opportunity I don't take one day for granted I feel like I need to. Contribute each and every day I'm always looking for ways to impact the players in a positive win. So lots to look forward to super hopeful that July twenty third twenty four happens safely for everybody. I think we're all looking forward to that date. A summer camp is underway now where pushing forward. damned the weather. I've one other question for years not a serious question at all but we ask everybody who's on here. The last thing that you listened to whenever you opened up your music streaming apps choice or record or whatever it was. What was it? I got a great well. I have been running to a bunch of podcast lately, but I have to say the last song was emigrate hit streaming players of Sam Smith dancing with a stranger. Good Summit on makes happy. We all need a little of right now. So listen to whatever you can get a realistic Sam Smith get happy enjoy baseball 'cause it's coming back ability. Thanks again for being here. We really appreciate it. Your perspective is so important I wish you the best of luck this year and Get to chat again. Calling. Thank you for the invitation. You've got a great show. got a huge future after baseball and anytime that you want me to come on more than happy to do Sabi listening stay healthy and stay safe and my best to your family.

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Winter Meetings: Day 1

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

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Winter Meetings: Day 1

"You wouldn't settle for two star Spin class or personal trainer so why settle for a bank. That treats you like just another number ally knows you deserve better and their mission is to be just that with Alabang Yogi great interest rates and you can chat with real people twenty four seven and they won't hit you with those hidden and be allies team actually cares about doing right by you and your money go to A. L. L. Y. Dot Com for more ally bank member. FDIC I see baseball tonight. The podcast this is the baseball tonight. PODCAST for Monday. September ninth two thousand nineteen buster only and back in Bristol was Troikas Troy. How you doing? I'm doing great buster. I am already for the winter meetings because I know our Texas Rangers are going to make some big signings here. Yeah we'RE GONNA be talking about the Texas Rangers. Today got questions for Sarah. Lang's about how good they could be a question for. Jesse Rogers about the deals does it. discography cubs are talking about. We're going to be talking with Alvin Gonzales about the dodgers in the angels and Garrett Cole and Stephen Strasburg and how that all fits together some notes notes as we go into today's podcast Mark Lerner one of the nationals owners came out and told NBC sports Washington that he will not be able to nationals will not be able to afford both. Anthony Rented Stephen Strasburg. Of course two of the premier free agents in the market this winter the other day. The padres made a deal for the race. Tommy Tommy Fan picking up Hunter Renfro and also. There's a swap of minor leaguers people. I talk to absolutely love this deal for Tampa Bay in terms of the value. They got back back. The New York mets announce the other day that the Wilpon family is negotiating to sell controlling stake in the mets to hedge fund manager. Steve Cohen. That is had it had a lot of rip ripple effects around baseball. We'll be talking with Sarah about that. And the other day the braves signed lefthander Cole. Hamels to a one year eighteen million dollar deal and and we got word on Sunday night. The too tall famers former Labor leader Marvin Miller and longtime catcher Ted Simmons. Let's get to it seam. Heads Rejoice Timmy. Time this great game or what with Tim Kirkman on Baseball Tonight and Tim Coaching covers baseball free. ESPN and he has for a long time. And Tim. Thank you and I've been on the same page wondering for years when it would be. The Marvin Miller would be honored and inducted into the hall of fame and that day has arrived What we feelings when you heard the news well should have happened twenty years ago? Buster sure that Marvin Miller went into the hall of fame if the Hall of fame is indeed a museum that chronicles the history of baseball which it is then. Marvin Miller has to be in. He's one of the most influential people in the history of the game. He's not there with Jackie. Robinson and branch Rickey and Babe Ruth. But he's in that similar conversation because of what he has done to the salary structure in Major League Baseball nineteen eighteen sixty six. The average salary of a major league player was nineteen thousand dollars. That's when Marvin Miller took over the minimum was six thousand one dollars for a player and now look at were salaries have gone. But it's not just that he raised the salaries for players. He did so much more a to influence the game today by challenging the reserve clause with the help of curt flood and Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally and others but he you changed the way that baseball the business of baseball is done and therefore he needs to be in the hall of fame he should have been in the hall of fame. Twenty me years ago. The interesting thing about him is Tim. Is that my sense is and I never really got to know him at all. But my sense is in all that I've read about Him and all I heard from players who actually did know was that it wasn't like he was someone who is a baseball fan. Who was looking for the best? In baseball he was is a lawyer who is representing his clients and it turned out that a lot of what he advocated for. Really help the game. What do you think yeah? I mean he came I am from I believe the the you know the steel industry and Yep he was a labor lawyer and he took on a new case which was Major League Baseball. I got to know him a little bit in nineteen eighty one when I covered that strike and he screamed at me right in my face a couple of times which I deserve by the way I was like fourteen years old. Well let me know what I was doing. Point is he was he took on a case and he was the strongest man in that he was. It's just not going to bend when he was going to take care of his people and that's why the game got better because of him and he. He did many things to help the players and to help the game. which is remarkable guy who didn't grow up in the game loving the game but he's still affected the game game in many many positive ways? All right tell me why he yelled at you Well I ask a stupid question. I'm sure because because I just didn't understand what I was talking about I was too young. It was my first labor negotiation. I didn't understand the you know the verbiage of how to talk to a Labor lawyer I could talk to an outfielder not a lawyer very well back then and I ask a stupid question and he basically yelled at me and told me it was a stupid a question and he was right so just spinning this for a little bit. Are you using his experience and put it into the current context. It's it's interesting because in conversations I've had with players in recent weeks and in recent in the last couple of years I've said to them. Look if you go back and you re John Hillyard Book Lords of the Realm if you talk to the former players. One thing that Marvin Miller was really really good at was I think getting players to understand why some of the things that they were doing were important and getting the players invested in the process in getting the players together because my observation to players players current players has been. I don't know if you guys necessarily have that. What do you think Tim? Yeah and I think that's one of the issues that we have right now. Posture as you know. Is that a lot of these players. Current players have never been through a labor negotiation. They simply don't know. Oh how this works. And it's not their fault because they've never been a part of the process because thank goodness. We've had labor peace for almost twenty years so they don't know about Marvin Miller and the people that came before and after him they don't know what players went through during a strike a work stoppage. And that's part of the issue that we have now is. We look forward a couple years. How are these players going to deal with something that they don't know anything about and that's what Marvin Miller was so good at doing was explaining? This is why we're doing this and let me show you why we have to do this. This and this is what the new this is. What the Union is now going to have to educate the players to now and they could really use some help? Marvin Miller because again explained it all so very well Ted. Simmons was on the Writers' ballots just one year in one thousand nine hundred ninety four. He got three point seven seven percent of the votes which meant that he got fewer than five percent required to stay on the ballot. He fell off and yesterday. He got the phone call that he's going to the hall of fame as voted down by the special committee. What would you think about him going in well? I think he's a hall of Famer. I was I've been on these committees before as I told you. Buster and it's it's a tremendous privilege to serve on those committees. It's also a really difficult job and I believe the first time I did. The committee Ted. Simmons was on the list and I. I'm not rooting or voting for anyone. I'm just trying to present the facts correctly and I think I presented pretty well. That Ted Simmons should be in the hall of fame. That was five years ago and now he is when you look buster. When he retired he had the most hits and most doubles of any catcher? Ever guys. Who who caught seventy seventy percent of their bats that's came has a texture add more seventy five? RBI seizes that that time than any catcher in history. I grew up watching him play. He's one of the great hitting catchers I've ever seen and I think it took too long to get him in but bustard the bigger point here is. He should not have been kicked off the ballot after one year. There just wasn't enough room for him and this is another plea by me to say we should be able to vote for as many guys on that ballot as as we want in order to give the Bobby grinches Blue Whitaker's Ted Simmons on another look other than one year on the ballot but sometimes James Their ten guys on the ballot better than you and you're still a hall of fame like Ted Simmons. That's the tricky part for me. And that's where I think a hall hall of fame should look into this a little closer that maybe we should allow these guys to vote for more than ten people if they feel. They're more than ten guys eligible for the hall of fame. We've got about two minutes left. I wrote a column yesterday about Harold. Baines in how induction without a doubt is going to change how some candidates are looked tat because of where herald was with his production his career. And we're some of the candidates are in. You mentioned that you know you've been on these special committees in the past. I gotTa tell you tim based based on the precedence that the that the voters on this committee should have to look at. I think this might be one of the most thankless jobs ever at this point because it's hard to find consistent strain strain and that to me is a voter when I used to vote for hall of fame stuff that to me was always the thing I was looking for now. It's really difficult. Yeah I I I again. It's a privilege it's an honor. I've been asked to serve four different times and but I'm wondering if I should be doing this again because it is is so difficult and it puts me in a difficult situation sometimes as a writer reporter journalist who is sworn to secrecy as I should be in one of those meetings and yet I'm in the business of asking questions and people asking me and I'm not allowed to speak about something that's the way it should should be but it is such a difficult process and being in that room I could write like write a book about being in that room for different times but I'm not allowed to and I'm not going to but I can promise you no matter how hard you think. It is outside the room. It's harder insider. Well Yeah I think it's great. Ted Simmons Getting Hall of fame. I think it was great last year and Harold got in but when you look at the production for other candidates who looked at yesterday or over the weekend Dwight Evans and Dale Murphy and Lou Whitaker et Cetera et CETERA etc.. Can't I I think it's getting more and more difficult to figure out. Okay what who is a hall of Famer and who's not all right. Tim thanks for doing this okay. Buster Turkey soon numbers game sirloin reporter and a producer L. Dot Com Sarah. We got the news last week. That your team. The mets will be going undergoing an ownership change over the next five years they are working in agreement with steep coned to take over are as the owner of the team and according to the agreement over the next. Five years Fred and Jeff Wilpon can will continue to be in the club's hierarchy the and be involved in the decisions but I haven't spoken to anybody who actually thinks that that would be the case typically. The person WHO's buying the team takes control earlier as a a mets fan. What was your reaction to this This news yeah you know I mean. I think that this is something. That fans certainly have been pretty vocal about wanting to see for a while so from that perspective. It seems like a good thing. You never know exactly what's going to happen. I know that the sales don't happen just overnight but the five years what you were talking about does seem interesting. You know. We'll see exactly what happened. I agree with you that I know that everything was reported that it would be the ones would still be involved. But I just can't imagine spending all that money on a team and not wanting to not making a case to be part. The decision making from the Gecko you know from from cones perspective. We've seen this team's not necessarily compete with the Yankees in in terms of blue going after free agents and the market that they're in over. I mean for a long time now so it would certainly be something. I think that fans would want to see for them to be operating like a big market team in New York. Yeah I think this is absolutely a game changer. You know he would become according to reports the wealthiest Oh theus owner in baseball and look even if for the moment. He's standing on the side politely. If in the fall of two thousand twenty or two thousand twenty one you know somebody nobody like a monkey. Bats are Francisco. Indoor three years now Aaron judge was in the free agent market and this was a player he wanted. He'd essentially be adding to his own own bill. It would be on his own dime. Even if he had the Wilpon 's running the day to day operations he would be able to influence by simply stepping in and said. Hey that's that's what I WANNA do. I think everybody in baseball sort of curious about what this means for Brody van wagon and their general manager but the fact is is that. If you're a mets fan you probably probably going to be able to dream in a way that they really haven't with very few exceptions Carlos Beltran signing being one. They've never really been involved with the highest price guy in the marketplace good place. Yeah definitely and again. I just think that that's what you see a team from New York and you you expect them to write just at face value. Not knowing much about the franchises Sanchez's just kind of knowing how sports work in markets in cities in this country. So it would certainly be refreshing in a way to see them. Choose to and be Able A to compete in that market. And I don't know if you saw this from Tim Britton of BS Luttig but you know there were a lot of people. Sort of digging into Cohen is a big art collector. In the money he spent air and I don't know if you saw this nugget that he wants spent one hundred forty one point three million on a statue called the pointing man which is more than the mets have ever spent committed to any player on contracts. I very much enjoyed that very much. Alleys you imagine now when Frank mccord it was owner the dodgers you'd hear from people with Major League FOLSOM frustration because they felt like boy. The Los Angeles dodgers are one of the signature franchises for baseball. But but at that time their payroll was in the eighty million dollar range and the full power. The franchise wasn't really being exploited by Frank mccord. But then he was forced out of ownership Russia by Major League Baseball he sells the Guggenheim Foundation. And since then the dodgers it becomes exactly what baseball needs to be and they won the division the last seven seven years Andrew Friedman's front office is considered to be a model of how you run a big market team. So we've seen that potential unlocked in the dodgers case. And I think there's a good chance We're going to see that happened in the mets case all right. Let's take a look at some of the The story lines that are developing during the course this winter one of the interesting decisions made I think has been then by the Texas Rangers to build their rotation as they go move into their new ballpark next spring around these mid level signings. They're not really involved as far as as we know in Garrett Cole or Stephen Strasburg but after signing Lance Lynn with three year thirty million dollar deal last winter and signing Mike Minor this winter you saw them go outside cow Gibson sign Jordan lyles to a deal That both those deals in the middle of rain. How close do you think byard contending? I don't know about close to contending only because they're in such a tough division there you know with the Astros who are you know a perennial playoff team at this point. In as who has shown how competitive they can be especially over these last two three years but I do think that they're taking. I obviously every every team would like to have Stephen Strasburg anger coal. But I think that they're taking a good approach. I mean beyond signing one of those guys because they're rotation beyond on my minor and Lance. Lynn was so bad last year. All their other starters combined for seven point two two era. I mean. They're pretty much in the situation. Where any any arm that can keep an e are going under about four and a half is worthwhile you know so I'm glad to see them addressing the rotation in? I think that you know one interesting interesting. Thing is whether addressing the rotation in this way shows that maybe they are very serious about Anthony Renzo that they might try to sign someone else donaldson or someone else like that if they aren't able to get him because it does seem like they are trying to improve even if we don't see them with the absolute biggest pitching name out there and I've heard rival executives say privately. They think that they will be the favorites. Assign Anthony run down two minutes to quit once for you. How close do you think? The white SOx Arctic intending. You know I I would if they won the division this year like we wouldn't be expecting all of that but I wouldn't be completely surprised because because the Indians are tending towards being very not competitive. Right they could trade Francisco in Oregon even if they don't. I mean we saw what happened in this year and there many ways that they could could end up being worse this coming year twenty twenty and the twins are going to regress. You can't have that kind of offense and season in two straight years. They're pitching fell. Apart a bit in the second I can actually rescinding Jake Gutter from taking. The qualifying offer was a good thing. But I don't think that's quite enough so I think they could. I mean I think they certainly have the most promising the division and makes every pitcher better and he's a great offensive catcher. So I am very high of I think realistically it's not this year. Maybe maybe it's next year two thousand twenty one but I would believe in this year. A lot of pressure being piled on the Yankees. I think at this point to sign Garrett Cole and there's no doubt I mean he'd be absolutely perfect for them and their ownership wants him but I still think that they would be fine. Not not necessarily wouldn't be an optimal situation if they didn't sign him but they would be okay because there's one executive said to me it's not like they don't have any other starters Luis Severino who didn't pitch that much. It's last year finished third in the CY young award voting couple years ago. And you have Masahiro Tanaka. You Have James Paxson. It's not like to have an empty cupboard you you know. I mean they're losing a certain amount of innings in Domingo Herrmann likely. We don't know exactly what's going to happen there. We'll see Tabatha retiring and with Jay Likely not resigning. But those guys weren't their heaviest. You know Quantity of innings this year. I think that you can definitely put together a case that Paxton Jackson will improve in your to that. You're one was sort of figuring it out. You know coming into his own on a new team and Masahiro Tanaka is such a tried and true stalwart at at this point in that rotation for them and you know the thing I was looking at. Is that David Garcia. Still Pretty far away. Probably September guy may be desperation July but I do think they're fine. I mean this team was fifteen in the majors in starving zero last year and look how far they went. You know the they're going to have a great offense again. We know that it was able to carry them and it didn't end up mattering a whole lot until the playoffs right. Obviously the goals world series. So you need to fix it for that point but I certainly think that. What if they were not just on either of them? They would be at least fine like they were this year. All right good to talk with you have fun watching the winter meetings. Thanks so much good to talk with you. GEICO presents not again another voicemail from your roommate. Hey man so I was in a rush to get to work and I left the back door or open. Could you shut it. I left it wide open while you're there. Could you also turn off the oven. And all of the burners. My mom never let me use the oven. I wonder wonder why the Geico Insurance Agency could help. Keep your personal property protected like if it's your roommate's first-time operating in oven visit Geico dot com to see how easy it is is to switch and save on Renter's insurance covers the Los Angeles dodgers in the angels of Anaheim for ESPN and First off and also I guess the San Diego Padres this. Winter's is one of the more aggressive teams. So tell me the angels are involved evolve in Garrett Cole the dodgers are involved in Garrett Cole and Anthony Ren Down Own anything that you've heard recently any anything that's jumped out at you about about what's taken place with the big dogs in the free agent market. Yeah I mean I think a couple of things for both teams. I mean we you know we use spoken a lot about this buster and we all know that the dodgers are very hesitant to do these big long-term deals For Free agents particularly for pitchers I still think that Between these two teams the team watch for Garrett Cole is going to be the angels We've seen this before with Artie Marino and big three agents when he sees somebody that he's targeting that he's doing in on he's usually pretty Intent about chasing that player. I don't I what I've heard about the angels interesting recall is that already Marino's not the types of outbid when he wants somebody system seems to want Jericho recoil and I think it's just GONNA be fascinated. Plays out with them. I think the worst thing that could have happened For the angels in this scenario was that the Yankee not seem very intent on getting Garrett Cole And if they're going to pay a premium as well That's GonNa be a tough thing for them to overcome even is knowing that giving call Is from the area and you know with the dodgers. I feel like I say this every year with them this time of year but they can do everything and nothing and I wouldn't be surprised by either outcome They have so much rosser flexibility. They actually Andrew Freeman guiding them to the point with their payroll where they have some payroll flexibility ability Coming up so I feel like if there was ever a time for them to kind of make a splash sort of go against Andrews methodology with these three. These free agents this would be the off season I think the interesting thing with the dodgers it that given the talent on their roster They're only chasing the high Dan players only the high end players. will sort of Constitute an upgrade for them. And that's that's why you get into the Anthony Renzo Garrett Cole and the price this is golden door via trade I rent zone is the very appealing wants to them. Just because if he's willing to take a short term high a deal similar to the one that they offer Bryce Harper last year. That's going to be appealing to them. it's not a natural fit because he plays some basically have Justin Turner but they could easily move guys around and make that work. Yeah Yeah it's interesting. Because every winter I remember one Giancarlo Stanton was available with the Marlins last. Winter is Bryce Harper this winter. It's Gary Cole- and it Stephen Strasburg. Bergen Anthony Rent Dome. We talk about how and you're exactly right. You know the dodgers wild. They've been continued to win. They've also been excellent and player development excellent blended payroll management. They could step out and spend a lot of money but I once joked with Andrew Freeman. When he was running the raise that he would be the guy who would go into new casino to play blackjack and he would never deviate from his system right? He would have his point total in one he would fold and when he would hit and that sort of thing and he would never deviate from it and I still think in the end. That's what happens here that he's going to have his very defined price which is going to be less than what what those guys can get someplace else and then it comes down to whether or not Garrett Cole a random wants to play for them what do you think yeah. I think you're absolutely right. I'm sure he loved hearing that from you by the way remember his plan You know and I think one mistake that we make with the dodgers often and you know one counter that would make to what the narrative has been with the dodgers. He'll say well you know It covers all phases narrative. Because we've actually chased a lot of players and we've made offers to free agents agents big offers via trade and they just haven't been accepted and I think that's fair but I think one mistake that we always make with the dodgers. We always go the simple route with them. which just signed a free agent bogeyman here? That's not necessarily the way they think. I think it's always more appealing to them actually to go the trailer out because they have so much in their system they have so much depth on their forty man roster and if they could acquire a player who yeah they're going to have to give up some prospects but they should one thing that they have shown under under three minutes. They are not afraid to give up prospect to get guys that they need to be a trade if they could get a guy on the trademark instill in his arbitration years and still in his mid twenties. I think that's the more appealing route so when you're thinking about upgrades To the position player group. Or maybe even the sorry patient the bullpen. I think that always always is the more likely scenario for them. Rather than chase a free agent who married thirty and it's going to cost hundreds of millions of dollars and they can trade for a guy his arbitration years. That's the the more interesting. That's that's the more likely route for them. They're very they can get very creative and I can see them getting Very creative I think I think one thing that's fair to say. is I think this might be an off season where they may be looked to shake things up a little bit. You know a team that went to back to back world series in the long run it gets knocked out in the first round. Maybe you do something to jolt that group maybe something. That's sort of change up the dynamics in layer somehow and I'm I'm GONNA be really interested in seeing how they go about it along those lines. I do think the Peterson's GonNa get traded this winter You He's getting to the point where he's starting to get expensive be expensive and his value is reached tipping point trade value. And I so I think they'll flip him back to the angels real quickly really if they don't sign Garrett Cole my guess is that hundred review becomes a real target for them. What's your sense of? What their safety nets are if they don't get coal? Yeah hundred could be a target for them. Stephen Strasburg would be a guy that they would love to chase. After I mean he'd be the next guy in lines They could give gift him similar offer. I think they're pretty dire straits though if they don't Gary Cohen. It's rare to ever say this. Where team mead asserted player or or else but given where they are right now. They really WANNA compete They they haven't had an eighth at the top of the rotation in. I WANNA say at least like six years And there's not really another player out there Besides Derek Cohen Stephen Strasburg. That could be the difference maker in their rotation that they need to make up what was basically a twenty to thirty wind gap with the Astros. they're not going to be able to access that player. RV A trade unless they give up Joe Adele. They're not giving up Joe Adele. So it's basically Garrett Cole or Stephen Strasburg or they're gonNA feel you just sort of an average to slightly above average or even below average rotation next year and they're probably not going to be good enough and that division division that's just basically where they are very simple and you. You could've telegraphed is months ago with the angels that okay. They'RE GONNA try to win next year. They get Garrett Cole otherwise otherwise. I don't see a path contention in that division for them and before we go I want to ask you about the padres. have been one of the more aggressive teams early in this winners market. After Ron Fowler Came out who's one of the I think he's the. CEO of the team is his title basically came out and said we have to win next year. Else heads heads are gonNA roll including mine. You saw them spend thirty four million dollars on drew pomeranz reliever early in the off season. They traded the other day for Tommy Fanta onto to upgrade their roster people that I've spoken with other teams. Love that trade for Tampa Bay in the flip of the prospects and Tampa Bay getting the younger younger player Hunter. Renfro you mentioned the gap that the angels had with the Astros. This is why I've been surprised that the padres who have one of baseball's best farm systems and clearly clearly are making progress and might be. I think two or three years away from contending. They finish thirty six games behind the dodgers last year. And the idea that you know with a series series move this winter that they could seriously compete with La. I think it's dangerous. I think it's a dangerous game to play and might wind up undercutting a lot of the work. They've done what do you think that's absolutely and you know I. I really love the topic. Fan Deal Just getting that type of guy in outfielder. Also that's have a guy in their clubhouse that's a great deal for for them but there must of their operating disillusionment and that's how you make bad decisions. They're not close to win it. They were on a path toward because they exercise through insulation -tations. They've put themselves on a path where they could maybe win into the three years. But when you all of a sudden you start thinking that you're ready to win now and you start trying to make the win win now moves to catch up with a team that you are very far away from the dodgers. That's how you make bad decisions. That's how you set yourself back. That's how you rush prospects prospects and maybe are not ready. They have so as you know they have so much great starting pitching So many great starting pitching in their farm system who are in the lower to mid levels though and who are not ready to be a big league rotation and forced those guys or to clog up your payroll because you're under the solution that you can win now how I think that's very dangerous and I think it'd be fun or has a really fascinating tight rope to walk this off season. I mean one of the motivations for signing a guy like Manny Machado last year. was that okay. Yeah we're spending big on a free agent. Maybe a little bit before window is open but he is a twenty six year old free agent and he could still be prime rated contest. I don't think that window is now I mean they have some nice pieces They got nothing from their catchers last year. And I don't know how they're going to get any production their their outfield. It's still a little bit of a mess. It's still a little bit improving even with Tommy Fan and there's still a lot to be said about their starting pitching because it's so exceedingly young so I don't think they're ready now and I I agree with you. I think it's I think it's dangerous to sort of push your chips To the middle of the table when you're just not the ready yet. Yeah you don't have the cars yet. I have heard from other teams. They like their acquisition of Grisham and of Jerks profile to play second base because the padres last last year were so right handed and they were twenty nine out of thirty teams in terms of platoon advantage at bats in other words a right handed hitter versa left-handed pitcher or a left left handed hitter versa. Right handed pitcher twenty ninth out of thirty teams in percentage of that and this should help getting those two guys all right sir. I appreciate it. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks I appreciate Jesse. Rogers covers Gago cubs goggle white sox for ESPN at the winter. Meetings and Jesse I've had conversations with executives with other teams and and look you and I talked last winter. About how the cubs are willing to listen about Kris Bryant at that time this winter. It's interesting what I'm hearing. A lot from. Other teams is that they really feel liked the cubs in their effort to get better in an effort to get ahead of some of the payroll issues that that they're dealing they're open to the idea of conversation. About catcher Wilson controls which was the most surprising development of this winter for me. What he here? Yeah no I've I've heard similar. I'm learning I heard that early on in the off season. He's one year behind guys like Chris. Bryan Cow Schwab or on the arbitration timeline. Here so he'll be a free agent after three more seasons. He's making very little he's very attractive. The cubs have a payroll dilemma currently and potentially in the near future. If they don't make soon moves I don't think it's very often buster. You have four or five star type players all on the same path time-wise they're all gonna be free agents in two years. I'm talking about Bryant Schwarzer bias. Rizzo there's some other guys l. more behind them but he's so he's very attractive because because of all those things and the point is this that have to move basically two of those is and I do think Bryan on one end of the scale is as a marquee name. mm-hmm is one guy and control sort of on the other end still a big name but doesn't make as much as three years to go. Those are the two guys that can bring back the most. I don't think you can get the hall you'd want from Kyle Schwarzer or buys different category. I think he's Kinda going to be the face of the franchise if he isn't already already they'll probably lock him up so I think that's where you're gonNA stop and frankly there's some some words to Ketosis game the other teams don't see as much as the cubs. Yeah and and I. That's I'm I'm glad you said that because one of the things that when I first heard his name mentioned hunt because I knew that when he was promoted the big leagues one thing. I constantly heard from cubs people as we love his energy. We love his energy love his energy. Then when you watch the games or times when you wondered if the energy was for some veteran pitchers may have been a a little bit too much that there was too much peaks and valleys in in some of his games but because he hasn't really made big money yet he's GonNa presumably be attractive to other teams. What what teams potentially could you see him being fit with? I don't want to speculate too much on that one because I don't know the the reason I say that is unlike Chris Ryan who's very attractive to several contending type teams. His market miniaturist is pretty wide. Open if you think about a rebuilding team one of mine too catcher for three years that Right handed power hitting catcher. You get at least three years. And here's a guy that's made no money in this game. You'd probably be able to lock up guitars at a pretty friendly deal in the next year or two. He's made nothing. He wasn't a high draft pick. He hasn't made anything yet through arbitration. So that's where I mean. There's a lot of fits. There's a Lotta fits for him. I don't know about you know the teen that is about to to win. A world series. Is that adding catch. That is great. But he's got some framing issues. He's got those issues with you. Know if you're starting catcher isn't getting along with your staff half a world series contender you've got a big problem right off the bat so almost feel like he's a better fit for a for a team coming out of a rebuilt or even in a rebuild I'm not saying hang up contenders won't be interested but I just think that there's a lot of different layers to Wilson deters. That makes them attractive. But also a little worrisome for for some of those contending teams and that's why I think even team coming out of rebuild. His is a possibility for him. Now you mentioned Kris Bryant. There's a really interesting game of musical. Chairs is going on in third base market. You've got Anthony. Ren Don't out there. The best position player free agent on the marketplace in a lot of executives believe that he's GonNa wind up with either the the Texas Rangers the most likely team or perhaps the Los Angeles dodgers the Atlanta Braves Third Baseman. You have Josh Donaldson out there. y'All still have the Philadelphia phillies. Who are in the marketplace looking at third baseman and no last winter when we began this conversation about Kris Bryant all all along I've thought boy the phillies make a lot of sense for him boy? They signed Jake Arrietta Scott Boras client who represents also Kris Bryant. He also represents Bryce Harper who just signed with the phillies. Brian Harper grew up in Las Vegas. So you know behind the scenes that Bryce Harper would be calling as good friend. John Middleton the CEO of the phillies Saint. Let's go out and get Kris Bryant. It just seems to make too much sense to me. What about to you you know I would look at the team down the road? Just signed Cole Hamels. I really liked the idea of Kris. Bryant the braves over the phillies. And I'll tell you why the phillies are not sending back Aaron. I know obviously the braves have young Major League ready starting pitchers they also have a couple prospects but AMAC's freed of Fulton bits. There's there's guys there I don't think they trade Saroka but there's Guile Kyle arms. There's an Ian Anderson. There's guys is that our major league ready and the you know the the cubs feel like they're not taking a huge risk right if if you trade for for free proven himself at majoring level to get him back and you get a couple arms in terms of prospects. I don't know if the phillies can do exactly the same. They might be able to do the same from the prospect side of things. You you know you could just add a third of four. You know you could get there but is there anybody. Like Max Friedrich Even Fulton Habits. He fixed his game in the second half that the phillies could send back. I don't know so I feel like the braves are better fit. And here's the thing you're you're so right about the third base market. I think if you're a team you have to think Kris Bryant as is a free agent. You'RE GONNA sign to your contract because he's a free age. He is a free agent in two years. And then you have to compare that Aaron on these other guys Kris. Bryant comes very the affordable for two years. I mean it's going to be forty five fifty million through arbitration. But that's not so bad when you think of the alternatives which is probably obviously rent. Don't for huge in Donaldson. I'll tell you. The cubs advantage is the fact that Donaldson already did his one year rebuild. His reputation contract. He doesn't want to do that again. So the teams that don't want to get involved in any three four or five year deals for Ren don't or even donaldson that's returned to Brian. Say Two years forty five fifty. That's a good deal and that's why it's a contending team. Don't count out the dodgers. The dodgers are going to be a sneaky team this off season. I think everybody thinks they're. They're all set now. Oh you you you you you finally lost in the first round there and now the the Halos off a little bit you you might need to switch things up. And I think they're going to so I think the Bryant sweepstakes very interesting because think about a two year signing of Kris Bryant for under fifty million. Who wouldn't take that and that's essentially how you have to think about it all right before you go one thing about Bryant though is that this You know the grievance grieving with the cubs about his Service time and whether or not it was manipulated. That's that's still pending. How much do you think that will complicate their efforts to trade him? Maybe a little bit. I said the other day I think. Worse case buster. And maybe you know you sort. Maybe you might know this landscape better than me. A deal gets in place and it's not it's not pulled until until that decision is made you know a hey alex and topless or you know the phillies. Whoever it is we've got this thing? Let's let's make sure Chris doesn't win this because it nobody really believes they're going to win. This grievance that it was a good thing for the negotiate you know when the next as up good negotiating. Hey Look how how serious we took this situation the arbiter and everything so i. I don't think it's going to complicate things too much less. The opposing team really thinks he has a chance of winning winning because obviously getting for two years or one year instead of two years makes a huge difference. So that's my feeling like they may get a deal in place and wait for their ever to decide it loses the grievance and they make the Trade Jesse we'll have fun San Diego thank you buster ticker bleacher tweets. Suit brought a couple of tweets for the first day of the winter meetings. Here first one comes from trevor donning at T L dunning. Hey Buster instead of suspensions. Pensions or fines. I think the astro should be ineligible for the twenty twenty playoffs. What are your thoughts trevor? Coming down you're talking about the hanging judge. Oh no no. You can't do that. That's that's too steep. I mean first off the players association would go nuts. All the players in the astros would go nuts uh-huh especially players. who weren't involved in any of this stuff? That took place new guys on the team so I don't think that's going to happen. We'll say this. Continue to hear that whenever the decision comes down it's going to be big time. I'm wondering what it would take because I don't think have we ever seen anything like that. Professional sports level we've seen it collegiate teams ineligible for postseasons postseasons but professionally. I don't I don't know what it would take for that to happen right and the NC double A. controls the players the players that are controlled in professional sports. So it'll never happen. No no absolutely not exactly next one. Come from Johnny Cavadino at J. Super Scout. And I know there's some form of tradition here. I don't know what it is so anyway buster. What is the market for Madison Bumgarner? Today's analytics heavy world. It's a great question because there's no doubt and we talked about this during the summertime when his name was popping up in the trade market their teams look at some of his underlying metrics and they have concerns but he he is who he is. He's been a big story at a lot of success in the postseason and you do wonder if an owner is going to get really inspired and basically we'll tell us front office. Look we want Madison Bumgarner to lead our team. I still think there's a chance. He winds up with the phillies. Thanks for the question. China Super Scout Love Justin Simmons at Justin. Land Sim one. Hey Buster is out and thought was the most discreet. GM In baseball. I'd heard he likes to work under the radar Nicole Hamill signing seem to come out of nowhere. Yeah they they had been in the market. I think they've been mentioned as being in the market for a starting pitcher and essentially what we're seeing we call Hamill's is that he's going to replace Dallas Kaikal goal in their rotation. I know this ambles agent. John Boggs was basically out there telling teams look if some team is willing to give us a deal that's basically only the equivalent of the qualifying offer which is eighteen million dollars. We're ready to move. Alex topless heard that he made a move for starting pitcher then he needs and he was the first one undecided the best closer in the market will Smith. So you're right. Alex has been really aggressive. And by the way I laughed when you sort of glossed over the Johnny Super Scott got you still. Don't understand the reference right. No no you're fishing around for the reference. A little bit about anyway are Frank. Cross fit school of sweat at school of sweat has bone to pick. What is the point of having so many various ways of getting into the hall of fame? It's about the all time greats. There shouldn't have to be lobbying being in a waiting for selection. If you're one of the best everyone knows I agree with you. And it's part of the reason why I'm really glad the matter out of that conversation here ten talk about the question of whether or not he feels like it's right For him to be on the committee and the complication Troy. I mean trying to figure out. WHO's a hall of Famer now? Wow you know Roger. Clemens Barry Bonds are not in the hall of fame other guys took. PD's are in the hall of fame. There are guys who are lesser players. been left off by the special committee this weekend. Then maybe some of the guys have gotten in it makes my brain hurt. What do you think yeah? I agree and I think there's there's also been some influence from other sports as well because I think with basketball the standards are a lot lower than they have been in the past and I I just think in all sports really the standards have been lowered. And we're starting to see the half length baseball and then you have these mixing of generations. You have old voters you have younger voters who all have different beliefs about how to approach the whole system. So it's all over the place. I would agree with you on that and I'd say this we need to remember. It's just a baseball museum right. It's not life and death but people people really care about the baseball hall of fame. All right my thanks today to Tim to Sarah to Alden to Jesse detroi- troy. You Might WanNa Lineup Josh. macrey okay. So he can. We'll bring them on board and he explained the whole Johnny Super Scout thing. Does that sound like a good plan. I don't know I don't like to talk to Josh. macrey we're Kinda sworn enemy so I really yeah I mean. Let's like he'd be train us. He went onto your head Honcho at the ACC network. He left US behind buster. Why why are you mad at him? Can we have like a temporary armistice between you guys to get him back on the show just to explain Johnny Super Scout Reference. I suppose we can make it happen this this week or sometime in the future right you can kick the can down the road. Yeah we'll try to make that happen. so that troy knows Johnny Super Scout Reference as I know all the longtime listeners do all right have a great day everybody thanks for listening and all the baseball news is we talked to him off air. We got a couple of baseball. Tonight's later today. We're looking forward to take care everybody. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight. PODCAST if you're playing fantasy baseball forget to listen to the fantasy focus podcast check out all podcasts at ESPN DOT com slash pod center baseball tonight. The podcast home delivery livery is big but it's es health we not only ship prescriptions to thousands of homeless daily. 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Episode Twenty-Seven: Best Ballpark Food

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Episode Twenty-Seven: Best Ballpark Food

"Welcome to the baseball together. PODCAST baseball family for those of you new to the show. We're here to raise money for the nonprofit organization called up whose mission is to give give disadvantaged young ballplayers the equipment. They need to play the game. We all love. We also want to unite communities by improving or rebuilding baseball facilities in areas suffering economic or environmental hardship. At this time you can support by purchasing t shirts and other baseball related apparel and accessories. He's from nine plus US dot com ten percent of all these sales. Go to the clause again. That's nine plus US dot com the number nine pl US US dot com nine plus US dot com. We hope you enjoyed this episode of the baseball together. podcast brought to Hubei Nine plus US welcome back baseball family to another episode of the baseball together. PODCAST as always I am here. I am Brig and I'm with Blackjack Brad. He is in the house in the house. That's right we are. We're excited to be here to bring all all of the best baseball content to you. We are going strong and we're glad you're here with us today. We are going to start with a couple of current events in to begin. Let's talk about the all. MLB team Brad. Yes the inaugural season of the all. MLB team it is. What are your thoughts on this just as a concept? Let's be honest. I I thought it was pretty cool. I think it's a pretty cool concept. I was a little bit bummed that we were doing the grab bag last week since that's when it was announced that we didn't write to talk about it right then but now we're talking about as we're coming up to teams the teams being released or I guess the team. It's the single team being released. And and I think it's cool. I Laura Yeah Tomorrow I like it because I like because you know the NFL does the all pro team NBA does all NBA team. Why why not have an all? MLB team right right We're taking the best of the best of the guys from the nationally. And then also the American league putting them together and this is what it would look look like if this team were to go represent and play a team from Mars. I Dunno some right. Yeah yeah totally Mars is. That's a good example. Yeah I mean it's basically an all world team right so yeah it is truly. That's what I think about. What do you think about it? Do you like the idea. Do you think it's a little hokey. Okey what do you think Well okay when we were talking earlier you mentioned that it's another resume bullet for these players and I feel like that is absolutely true but at the at the heart of this I feel like there's fan engagement because it's a fan voting experience. Just like the All Star game so we we all got to sit and vote on who we wanted to be of the sixty available players that they shortlisted for us. The fans got to vote on who gets to be on the twenty nineteen all. MLB team. So I do appreciate the nod in the involvement as a fan because that's what we're all about So I thought that was really the I I like that part of it but but again it's like it's like all star voting but combined. I don't know I I don't know I like it. I have no reason to hate it but I had this like I have this aversion to change its natural thinking you know I'm like why. Why why are we going to be that way right? But I think it's a good thing. Yeah and I think it'll be fun and and like you said we were talking earlier. We and I did mention. It was just kind of another a piece to put on the resume and other bargaining chip for guys like Scott. Boris or even teams. You know like yes or as comes in and says he deserves this many hundreds of billions of billions of dollars dollars and the team says woe. Pump the brakes. Didn't he didn't even make automobile team last year. And these guys on the team are making less than what you're requesting asking for so it could be a pretty good little bargaining bargaining chip either way. I have a really hard time saying bargaining for some reason okay. I don't know all right anyway. It's a hard word I think it's the bees and the Geez But I think it'll go both ways as I think teams and players and agents think they'll all be able to use this as like you said in other pieces on the resume and it might. Maybe it'll help to Kinda Hannah create a little bit more of a payroll hierarchy. Yeah make a little bit more sense of. Who's GonNa make what where when I don't know we'll see it'd be? I think one of the things that I think is cool though. Mlb We're all you know in baseball. We love tradition and we get to see we get kind of invite a new tradition in you know. Here we are middle aged fans and were thinking It's kind of weird. It's kind of dumb but my three year old She's going to you. You know in thirty twenty thirty years. When she's my age she's going to say? Oh Man I remember when my dad was so excited that I made the all. MLB team in twenty twenty one or or whatever. Yeah Yeah you know what I mean. She's going to remember that. And this will build on her tradition and her memories and so for that. I think it's awesome. Yes yeah it I yes. I think that's actually a perfect way to put. It's a great way to gain younger fans because they can relate to like I said the NFL NFL and the NBA have been doing this for a long time. Yeah and it'll help those fans kind of figure out who the best players in the in the League Gar. Yep so just to give everybody. Who maybe wasn't aware of this? That's listening sixty position. Players were candidates for the twenty nine thousand nine inaugural roll all MLB team. We have eight first baseman. Six second baseman eight shortstops eleven third baseman seven catchers five designated hitters fifteen fifteen outfielders. There were thirty pitchers of which nineteen were starters. Eleven were relievers and the Astros are the leading team. They have ten candidates from the Astros. Red Sox next have seven and the twins have six and then you move down to Braves was nationals Yankees Indians and dodgers each have five nominees So this little lopsided I guess but that's the way the League uh-huh you're going to see those teams those few teams that made the playoffs. You're going to see them with more guys on this list because they had the production and get their teams there so I think it only makes sense. I mean they answering fan voting and we felt like for most the season. The Astros are the best team in the league. Right or so. It's only fitting. They're going to have ten guys because is there is no pitching that lineup. And there's no hitting those pitcher so that they know not if they're telling their players what's coming. I'm an only yeah exactly exactly right. It's hard to beat the best team in the League when they have an unfair advantage. Sorry all right I'm still a little butter. I'm beyond some you know I-. MLB does with that. Because I mean I was looking at their payroll today and I was like well. Yeah but you tack five million dollar fine on there and then they're going to be over the luxury tax. Yes right so we'll see we'll see what happens. It'll it'll get there. Yep they're getting around so so and and and you'll hear it here. We'll talk about it when it happens for the pro. I can't wait to talk all right me neither. So let's move on. Brad sent me an article Michael. The other day about Brian Cashman repelling off a building. I was used. I don't know any of that. Meant as like so where was he repelling or the people with sign sign repelling. And why would he done. I don't know it didn't make any sense to me. Brig explain as a Yankees Fan I will. I will illuminate you a AH hairs. Brian Cashman for the last handful of years. Whatever he's been doing this Charity charitable event. Where he repels down a twenty two story building in downtown Stamford And so and that's that's what they do it's a charity. And and what's the reason you heard about the the sign in the window saying please sign Garrett Cole was because there was a fan a Yankees Fan who knew this to Stamford Connecticut. The Yankees Fan knew that he was coming to do this. Because he's done it for however many years and and put wrote please sign Garrett Cole in the window that they knew he would be passing by. That's where the sign comes in. That's anyway so I guess he repels down this building and then they go deliver gifts and they do okay things and all right that makes sense like is his office than that obscure location. The S to Rappel down building is you're repelling. Tomi alchemy is he. Is that how he goes to lunch every day. I don't know he's a superhero. I guess something like that Superhero in a three piece suit yet gets pulled over by police. Exactly he's had a banner year. I think think I'd say so. I'd say so it'd be it'd be crazy to see if he did actually pull it off and he did sign Cole They say it's top priority already if it's true but we all know happens. Things our top priority. Sometimes they just don't happen. Well Not Scott. Boris is involved now. And you know both. I know we're kind of changing gears here to talk about this but I did see I think I sent this to you or do you send to me. I don't remember maybe Senate to me about how they're willing to set a record. Yeah with what they're paying him and immediately I saw. Oh Wow. There's no way he's going to go anywhere else because Boris isn't going to allow him onto but it's the thing that I was curious about is what are they going to set a record. For number of years offered total money backley earned or four dollars per year right. You know so. It'll be interesting to see what it is. They actually offer him and whether or not he accepts it because if they give him a if they give them a five year deal. That's setting a record for money per year. I don't think is going to let them take that. No I don't think so either and I think it's going to have a big it's going to have to have a big back in retirement Some rights going to it's going to be split up and and make sure the guys getting taken care of after he gets out. Yeah Yeah I'm just super common but I but I think that's going to be a big part of it. Yeah Yep Yep it's true especially setting a record for total money like total work right right. The I think they'll defer a lot of that all right so Last thing on the current events Lineup today we got the modern era ballot. This is the hall of fame topic That Brad actually has a little more information on all you take kind of take over on that one. Okay so this is Ali. He said it's a modern era committee ballot and this is basically guys who didn't get it into the hall of fame during their time of eligibility because You have a certain amount of time being on the ballot. I think it's ten years rights ten years. Yeah and so they. They didn't make it and during their time on the ballots so this is a committee. It's a sixteen member committee that comprised of I'm reading this directly hall hall of famers executives members of the media and historians so so current hall of famers executives as members of the media. Okay and historians baseball historians so you can get really every aspect which I think is I think they should make up a group of this who votes for the hall of Fame Anyway. Pretty cool right. Yeah it's pretty cool so this year there are ten guys on this ballot. -Kay you ready. Yeah well Dwight Evans Steve Garvey. Tommy John Don Mattingly Thurman Munson Dale Murphy Dave Parker Ted Simmons and Lou Whitaker K.. Wow so those are the guys who are on this list The one who so. There's a few names that really stick out to me right others. Don Mattingly Donny Donny. Baseball Tesla Donny. Baseball was a great player. I don't know if he's a hall of Famer right if anything. Maybe it's for consistency throughout his critics. ricks he was very consistent player. Tommy John I don't know that Tommy John himself should get into his doctor yet uh-huh because he's really the one who revolutionized everything is his doctor. And Tommy John himself but his doctor did But the big one for me as del Murphy yet. I expect Dale Murphy to get in because he had -Kay you ready for this got numbers in front of me okay. Cool eighteen year career career. He had an eight year peak where he was a seven-time all-star in one to one back-to-back. MVP's in eighty two eighty three DS. Okay I don't know why that is not in hall of fame. It's pretty great honest with you because that's that's pretty good resume and I mean he was a lifetime to sixty five hitter which now is really good. You know then obviously not because But it would be higher if it wasn't for his ninety two and ninety three seasons where he wants sixty one at one forty three sure you know and that was in eighteen and twenty six games as so. It's not going to have that much of wait but I'm sure it doesn't help. No it definitely doesn't know but I think if you look at the rest at the peak of his career. How good he was? Yes he's gotTa Libyan well and for me. It's it's I don't know I think this committee makes a Lotta sense to consider other things because we you know when your ten year ballot eligibility is all about performance on the fields all about the numbers. It's all about impact on the game at at large. But but this committee I think is comprised of enough people with the right resources the right sort of perspective to say this was the team player. We could not have done it without him. This is the clubhouse guy that motivated us in the time we were down or you know that kind of stuff that like this is the guy that is responsible for our unit cohesion. Yeah yeah and stuff like that. That's what this thing. That's a good point. I think that's and and we talked about this a little bit earlier. I guess before we recording but we talked earlier about how Harold Baines got in there because everybody loved him years a nice player us nice player but everybody loved Harold Baines and and we really think that's what got him in. And if Harold Baines is the bar for guys getting in show we think seven-time all-star with two MVP's absolutely get in. Yep Dale Murphy. So I'm down here and braves country. They do the free legend. Ben Oh yeah. I'm sure I mean he's he's like you can't go anywhere during baseball season and nausea Dale Murphy t shirt or Jersey. You can't you can't do it. No they're everywhere and you go into the club or that's not the clubhouse I wish I go in the club no good of team store down at Atlanta and it's an suntrust interest park and and deal Murphy's all over the place no the digital be. Yeah it's it's a huge deal down here so I don't know I think This is great I love it. Yeah I I like it It is it is Kinda funny though how it's almost like let's revisit this right. Yeah that it's this other group that we're going to improve on the system and it is actually an improvement. I feel like because they had a bigger pool of these. These people you know the hall of famers executives and yeah this group of voters. They had a bigger pool like give him the hall of fame vote. Yeah because because you've got diverse opinions coming in. They're like this is the way it should be. We've talked about this before. Yeah the yeah the this is what needs to be and it's nice that it's it's a small group right now but I'd like to see eventually expand. Yeah I like that it's small. I think there's less opportunity for politics when it's when it's small. Yeah that's true. Uh Well I don't know I don't know it's diverse. It's new it's fun. We'll see we'll see what happens. I'm sure we'll be reporting on it for years so oh I'm sure we will be like I said we enjoy it so let's go ahead and take a break because there's actually not a whole lot going on right now. The winter meetings started and not a whole lot of news breaking yet. But I'm sure we'll have more next week. Let's take a break and we're gonNA come back and talk about ballpark food. The designated hitter the infield fly ground rule double the dropped third strike to some. These seem like strange things to you. These are just baseball. Things shop the baseball things collection at nine plus US dot com. Hello Welcome back baseball family. So we're going to close his out today. It's actually going to kind of short. I think I don't know we'll see But we're going to lose passionately about this. Yes it's true but we're going to close this out today. We're GONNA talk about ballpark food. And the reason one of the reasons that this conversation was sparked Came to my mind I TIFF Briggs Wife said that we should do a complete breakdown on hotdogs K.. But then I was like no. Oh you know what I booked my tickets to spring training today you did I did so. I WanNa talk about ballpark food in general general because I want to try something new in March. I'm going down to the League. Yes congratulations thank you. So so excited can't believe sooner or Jelly Bro. This'll be the second year in a row. I get to go last year. My whole family went this year is just GonNa be me and my son Wilson with my dad and my uncle. My own glacier has a house down. They're in the Phoenix area. And so we're going down there staying with him and Yeah we'RE GONNA GO PROBABLY GONNA go to like three or four games while we're there. So do ooh really stoked on it. Yeah okay so okay I now I have some news okay. I have some friends that stayed with us for friends. Giving this last nice okay. Of course I had to go to a funeral so they came and took care of everybody. What soon as I left is terrible but they just bought a house halfway way between Miami and Tampa? Oh Nice and they said y'all should come down for spring training and I was like. Yeah you've Zolt your Biffi. Yeah I don't know no if it's going to happen this spring. We got a lot going on with the. You know the whole cancer thing. But I'm telling you I I'm excited about the opportunity so I'm Super Jelly for are you though you're gonNA go. Oh yeah we're like yeah. Our foot like Wilson is asking today so data. We're going to get on the airplane tomorrow. Yeah that's awesome so. Let's go out just from hotdogs. Go to ballpark food. So love it yes there you go okay we love making lists around here. That's one of the things that we just absolutely love doing. So we thought we would turn these into a list counting counting down from five to one Brig. What is your number five favorite ballpark food? I need a shave ice. Oh you need a shame. I need ice. I Mita icy yet flavored ego with you know what it's different every day. I have no idea. Sometimes the one a little tiger's blood sometimes I wanna mix the Blue Razz. You know. Sometimes I want lime like lemon lime thing with a with a hint a citrusy Like a like A. Sometimes you get an icy render. No throw some pomegranate in there. Something and that it's like. It's like a Tequila Sunrise. But you know with just ice. It's do you get that. With deep deep have ice cream on the bottle no no why ruin a good thing stop. Stop it right now. Oh it's taken to the next level. I mean. Come on no stop. I don't even like ice cream. Brad Brad Okay. Well that's why that's why I'm weird. Okay I'm tells me it's okay. What's your number five Brad? The number five is pizza. Yeah I I am a sucker for a pizza. I have a hard time saying no to it and I will always always eat way too much which I'm a little bit of a traditionalist as far as pizza go so I'm just going to get myself a Pepperoni. Maybe throw some sausage on there but I do like. I do. Enjoy having some pizza the ballpark. If I'm if I'm in the mood for because there's obviously things that I enjoy more but okay so I have to just throw it out there. That's my honorable herbal mention. Oh is it is it. Pizza is my honorable mention. It's not the first thing I think of it at a ballpark but they always have it. And if you just can't get anything else or you're just not in the mood for any other stuff then you always get a pizza and I'm with you. I want my pizza pizza flavored. I don't know put no craziness on Mike Pizza. No no I don't want US wheat pizza. Just want a pizza-flavored pizza and this is the thing is no matter where I go. I always have my eyes out for pizza regardless like even at the mall walked by I sa- Barrow Mic. It's not good but it's pizza right because sauce channing. Though because not good pizza is better than no pizza at all it is. The truth is thing you've ever said in your whole life from that was that was seriously the most truth easiest for lots of phasing. Yes okay so now now you. What's your honorable mentioned? Since I already blew mine okay. So my honorable liberal mentioned this is actually specific to SAFECO field. Sorry T. Mobile Park. Since that's the part that I grew up going to. Yeah but I don't know what it is but I love to Sydney chocolate covered. Strawberries burs ballpark. Yeah 'cause I love him to come on a stick and they're so good. I'm a sucker for a chocolate covered. Strawberry and who isn't SAFECO or never. I'm never associated to chocolate covered strawberry with a baseball game. Do that that. That's probably I'll beck. How is that not higher on your list? Because everything else is pretty pretty good would be like a celestial experience. It is because they're so damn good. Good yeah those ones in particular because I like everywhere else but there. You can't get them like that anywhere else really. They're good. They're real good okay. I'm traveling to Seattle now need to. I'm Ameet you there and we're going to have some jock. Strap sounds good to me and everything else on my list. Yeah no kidding including pizza honorable mention but we might start their appetizer pizza. appetizer standing. GimMe Slice of pizza threat. Let's go on a number four with your number before break. I WanNa Pretzel. I Want Soft Pretzel. I want you know and I want it like like I want there to be so much salt on it. It looks. It's like it's got scales. I am here for that. That's how I like my soft pretzels to like such thing as too much. Salt on Soft Pretzel. Hail no and that's way she's a sport that's what the cheeses force to help with the salt. It cuts it right down. Yeah yes yes we need to go to a game together. We have never been to a game came together. This needs to happen. We've only been to basketball games together. That's true all together. Yeah we're absolutely right. The podcast uh-huh what's her number four. My number four is NACHOS. Yeah I'm a simple man. Give me the chips and give me the cheese. Take me a couple of Napkins. Because it's GonNa be all up in my fingers. Yeah in that beard. Yeah it's always in my beard. After after there are certain things like nachos buffalo wings things like that. I have to excuse myself to go wash my face in the bathroom and and I do like the like rub like rub my nose or my cheek or like H. My is a walk so I can cover my face a little bit because democracy massive myself when my wife and I go out for wings or anything she she sits next to me so she doesn't have to look at my face white wings because it just gets cake. That's a true story dude. When I have my doubts it's the same so it's I totally feel? You glad I'm not building. I always feel like a child like I can. That's okay man. And and at a ballpark you know. Yeah Yeah you don't have to be the cleanest you know that's right look at the TV look at the concourse TV. Don't look at me. Jeez yes what. Are you watching me. Someone other stuff to see. Watch the game delegate. Meeting all right number three who you got what you got for number three sunflower seeds. Oh how did that not make my list. I have no idea. Oh my revelation. Sunflower precedes number three. Oh I gotta have seeds gotTa have him and if I go to a minor league club I'm taking my own 'cause I can't trust anybody to bring to have my the ones I want. You can't trust anybody to have. Oh for show so I go. I packed up my big sea salt and black pepper to Blue Label Sea salt black black pepper and I just put it in the bag and I walk in and if they searched my bag I look at him and I look at I give him this. Look like you know why I brought my own and the bag checkers like yeah I feel that and then they just let me go in with my seats absolutely so. So that's your flavor. There is is a sea salt black pepper. Yes so I'm I'm unoriginal. I'd like the salted ones. However however if you're down for combining I think I've said this before maybe on the VIP group If you get black pepper and barbecue throwing your mouth together that my friend tastes like a steak and it is so I gotta try that. Yeah it's the way to do it if you're going to combine them. Yeah I I just recently tried. Jason D'Agostino I think it was Jason on VIP Group A couple months ago turned me onto old bay. Oh Yeah Yeah it was him do those. Those are good man. It wasn't like a sees like a seasoned salt or something like that. Yeah it's old bay seasoning. It's the it's the seafood seasoning. You you you boil your lobster in it and stuff. Yeah Yeah I knew that it was I know you are dude it awesome. That sounds fantastic. What about you? What's number three for you? number three This you come to know surprised anybody who's been listening to the podcast gasp because my favorite flavor of Bang Cotton Candy. Yeah I knew quit. I Love Gotten Candy so last year where it's spring training. Were sitting there. And the we're at where the diamondbacks and And giants game in Scottsdale and the guy for the candies walking around and Wilson Looks. Dad Can we get some cotton candy as like. Yeah so I got it and in a lake he just like smack. My arm to have me grabs. Oh sorry sorry this is mostly park. You can have some to and the night before we had gotten back to so we. We got angels game the night before you realize you have your own back. That's what we're GONNA do do this time around. We're GONNA have to get him his own bag. I'll have mine and we'll be we'll go separate ways of their cotton candy. It's so good good. I love it Yeah that's funny man. I love it. That's awesome all right number two for you all right Only because I can't you get a sloppy joe at a ballpark because I think that having a sloppy joe at a ballpark would be life changing but the next closest thing I can get as a pork sandwich sandwich. Oh Yeah love and care. I don't care what I you couldn't you just can't screw up a pork sandwich if unless it's dry it's totally ruined but if I want I wanted on a sesame bun I want it. The bunch gotta be a little bit toasted with butter. Maybe his garlic butter and I I want. It's just soaking wet with that barbecue sauce. You know a little bit of cheese. Maybe some Coleslaw sometimes That's a good I. I do love a pope work but I had. I've had them before they don't toast the buns. The bread gets a little soggy for my liking. And that's that's my take a fork to it. I'm like I'd say the pork. I'm good you go so yeah. There's something about pulled pork like smoked pork with some barbecue sauce on it at a ballpark that I think is is. It's like soul food. He had a ballpark. It's like this is a comfortable landing place. I can always be happy with that. Have you had the pulled pork at Smith's ballpark in Salt Lake. Yeah yeah is that the one you're talking about no but it's pretty good. It's a good one. It's one of the better ones. I've had at a ballpark before. Yeah it's pretty good that one. So yeah it's it's it's a good pulled pork. What about you? What's number two? Yeah my number. Two is specific to t mobile park. A I'd I'd Tony at the ballpark group going to and I've had a lot of opportunity to Try The food there so this one preface this as soon as you walk through that park like I ask people in the goal there like did you smell it as soon as you walk through the gates this smacks you in the face garlic fries. Oh you have to get garlic fries if you commanders game okay there so so good. They're the best ones I've ever had in my life best I've ever had while and I'm mm series. The whole Ballpark reeks of garlic. Because of because everybody gets them. That's amazing and I don't know if they still do it but they used to Mike glowers One of the TV guys burners he would give out rally fries during the game so whoever had whoever had the best sign in the stadium like they show him on TV and everything He would give them the he'd give them fries in fact nice so I have taken. I took my wife who grew up. She's an angels Fan. She grew up North of Anaheim in southern California Nia then so we went to a game in Seattle it was the mariners and angels were playing and so she so we went and she was wearing her angels t shirt and and of course is wearing mariners stuff and so we need a sign that said You know we only had so much room. But we said why equals had an angel's logo husband equals the mariners logo and I I wrote change her with rally fries as hoping to really get some really fries we did we did get on. TV We watch the game later and we did get on TV but they gave take this family who was like a section over. Because the dad's like eightieth birthday or something like that Just by that much just by that much in Dang. That's cool story man. I love that. So you gotta get gotTa get garlic fries at T. mobile bro. Let me tell you if if the word garlic is is in the name of Hamas it's so true that's literally my jingle jam if the word so I used to live in Monterey California yeah and just. North of Monterey is Gilroy California and Gilroy is like the nation's largest garlic capital whatever whatever and and you you know when you're in Gilroy. You Cross across this magic line on the highway and and you can have your windows up and you can. Have the little button turned on in your car. That says don't you know only filter the air don't bring it in and it still just like starts coming in it from all directions and it's magical thing I was going to say but it's most delicious when you pull into nappy spell. He smelled sugar beet factory and it smells like Doodoo. Do It's awful. Yeah I would much rather live by the garlic capital of the world. Yeah I think it's this number in the top two or three garlic capitals of the world the whole world or something that's awesome. It's awesome and they do garlic everything. Man You can get garlic salt and Jelly and this and that I don't know this is like they have a festival estival every year. It's fantastic. Oh that's right. Yeah I remember hearing about that. Yeah so it's pretty cool anyway. The garlic fries have to show up at T.. Mobile Park for that do it. It's it's so good so good all right. Let's go on what's your number. Oh you did number one now right yeah number one you WANNA go first. You want me to go first or should we go at the same time. lets go the same time ready yet. Three to one hot dogs. Yeah Yeah stupid easy right. It's so easy so easy for a hotdog absolutely now. Here's the question. Okay fixings what are you asked the question because not all hot dogs are created equal. It's true that's exactly right. Some people like a ballpark frank. Other other people want to. Nathan's everybody's in between and and I'm telling you what then you throw Polish sausage in there you throw a bratwurst emmy that we start or to get a real complicated sectors so let's just go ahead and put them all in the same hotdog category S- put it under the hot dog umbrella. There's an umbrella I love of hot done. Which is the happiest place on earth it has to be? I don't know how you could go to a ballpark. And Nadia hot dog. I know people that do it. I just don't get it so we just talked about it but at the same time it's like that's one of the first things I do when I get there as I go get a hotdog and then if I'm hungry later then I defer to other parts of the list yes especially if the hot dog is bad and I had had unfortunately the some of my most terrible hotdog experiences have been at Minor League baseball parks. I will yes I would agree with that I think it's like it. It's possible to get a hot dog that is insufficient. and Oh yeah like I went like it was a good dog. We were angels game at Angel. Stadium and We got dogs and I ate it and like tunings winters like I'm starving. Eat something else. Yeah that was a pizza night but by about the fourth inning like act I need speed. Yeah yeah something like that. I feel you so so I have a buddy of mine timmy. Timmy and I have the system. We go to baseball games together. Okay we always show up and eat something immediately. This usually hotdog right. We get one or two hotdogs wrath bat and then bout between innings three and four then we go get round to sometimes. It's pizza sometimes it sandwich. Sometimes that's when you WanNa Pretzel some Nachos whatever then about three innings later. Yeah we get we stretch and then we'll go have around three see. That's when you get your ice cream or your icees or your You know whatever brownies. I find a Brownie shave ice. Yeah exactly yeah. That's a system them we use in. It's it's never failed me strong system strong thank you yeah. So let's do it this way. I what's the worst hot dog you've ever like. Where is the place you've had the worst I ha doug do not do not go to the Oromo walls and and look for a hotdog is GonNa say the same thing? The I have had hot dogs all over the country. We did that big long three month. Road trip ray. All summer long and we found and we went the ballpark's everywhere and had dog freaking everywhere. I have never had a worse experience the Bun the Bun is a whole new. You we could. They have a whole conversation about the quality of Bun I expect and and then and then the dog has to be on a certain caliber right and then the fix ins have to be be a certain caliber and I have never ever had a worse experience repeatedly and I don't know why I continue to subject myself to it but it ah or Amal's worse dog ever let me tell you why you continue to subject yourself to it. So when I was with when I worked with the House for that summer they gave us food card so we could get like it had a certain amount of money on it. It was basically like you can get like two or three things at night and then exhausted for the season. Yeah so so. I ate dinner at the ballpark every every single night that summer pretty much. Yeah I you know. I probably four hotdogs Alzheimer because I the first one I was like. Oh that one wasn't good good like that wasn't good at all and then a couple of weeks later is I'm GonNa try a dog again. We ain't got a hotdog terrible. It was awful and what it is is they're dried out and burnt like the buns are stale and the buns are stale. Yeah and so I probably I guess probably had four dogs just because it kept giving it a chance and before are we hit the all-star break as no dogs dogs the season right and it was like burgers and chicken wings chicken strips arrest the time taken strips. Ebbs I forgot I should have put chicken strips on my list. This is a good ballpark food. Yeah solid but yeah no. That is by far the worst dog I've ever ever had in my life like ever ballpark or otherwise. Yeah agreed yeah and I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's because they're they have high school students cooking or what but now good good dog well and in the same league. Pioneer League I've been to other pioneer league games. Not a bad hot dog. You know not great. But it's it's a cheap hotdog so yeah yeah. Where have you had the best dog ever again noble? Now wait and you know what it was so first off they have the call mariner dogs. Okay and America dog by itself is fantastic because I am of the belief that that if a hot dog is good enough it doesn't need anything on it agreed and so I will eat dog straight up like dog and Bun that is it however T.. Mobile Park takes the Mariner dog to the next level by wrapping it in Bacon. Oh and that is by far the absolute best. The best hot dog I have ever had my life like I. I know for a fact I won't ever have another hot dog. That good still gonNA get him at the game because they're good but right. That is like the top shelf top shelf the while what about you. What's the best dog I've ever had So I man I duNNo. I will tell you that when I was in Colorado rockies game there's a biker gyms uh-huh restaurant I think it's called biker. Gyms and they are crazy awesome and they they do him up all kinds of different ways so it just depends ends on how you want it made up but but this place and they do funky meets and stuff Four and pheasant and who in what whatever else right. There's like a whole list of weird exotic anyway super awesome so I think they I think they did. I don't even remember what I got because I like a traditional hot doc I want it right typically. I wanted to taste like a hot dog right. Yeah so but I'm with you man the hotdog itself like the meat itself has to have its own flavor Yeah Yeah since I've done so much road tripping. I'm also so a gas station hotdog connoisseur. Oh so I. I know if if I'm in this part of the country I need to go to this chain of gas stations to get to get the hot targeted. How can I want and I totally hear that because We have gas stations around. Here called. Maverick YOU HAVE YOU UTAH. Yeah right bomb. The best hot dog like the best guess Asian hotdog ever fantastic freshman used to be it used to be seven eleven. Yes not so much anymore more but they see some eleven dogs lot in high school but yeah me too and they fell apart and now. It's maverick African venturous verse. Stop so if you're ever an I I heard. Maybe they have a maverick in Minnesota somewhere in the mid in the mid West. I don't know really ammo said mid east. Everything's I know. That's that's true but I think in the Midwest they have mavericks somewhere. But if you're ever like Idaho Utah Nevada stub by Maverick Avenue. Yourself a hotdog. Oh yeah now cleared out here. It's the q t the quick trip. Okay see you go out to Q T. It's a lot like a maverick And they have the it. It still is nothing like maverick. But they have the best hotdogs here anyway so but course course fields. Best hot dog I've ever had at a major league facility BEC- and the exotic stuff was really cool. But I gotTa tell you I gotTa tell you that one day I'm GonNa make it to Wrigley and one day I'm GonNa make it to Miller party Oh Miller and I'm GONNA and I'm going to compare the two because I think ah among the fans I mean certain. Certainly there's the rivalry there right. Who Yeah but I think that even the fans are like no our our dog is better right? Yeah and and I think that exists probably to some degree in in Comiskey as well down or whatever they call guaranteed teed Rayfield whatever south side Chicago now. They've got the heater so the he had to look it up in in south side Chicago. They've got the white sox. They've I've got the heater and this is what this is what's on it's it's like a Chicago style or whatever but they have Jalapeno Cheddar sausage pige spicy Coleslaw and Sriracha Mayo. And I'm like no I have to have one of those. But but my favorite style hot dog has peak of the guy on it so whenever I'm asked if they've got pico. I throw Pico on my hotdog. Doug with my ketchup and mustard and a little bit of relish. And I'm a man as on my hotdog Guy Sumi okay. I know that I've just divided the red seen with that comment but I put mayonnaise on my damn hot dogs and leave me alone. I'm not much of a male eat or anything but I I don't feel like it's that uncommon as far whereas like K.. goody mailing your dog but I would never do it because like I said I don't eat male but that's miracle whip either so don't come at Youth Earth Your Miracle Whip accusations additions I don I don't eat miracle whip often either. I do like it sometimes. So but it Wrigley Field. This I looked this up. Here's what they have as the the all ingredients Chicago style. You Got Chicago relish right now. That hyper green relish which I guess includes tomato onion pickles this neon relish sport peppers and celery salt and then a little bit yellow mustard? And I'm like you know what so. Even though the course field hotdog was the best one. I've probably ever had it a ballpark. I know a missing out. Yeah well and I WANNA I WANNA make it down to Shabas ravine just to dodge doctors to say that I have absolutely. I've never been to dodger stadium. I WanNa do it and I think that's part of the experience that I had to have and I another daughter. A dodger dog isn't really anything special. It's mostly the size you know. Yeah and the yeah but I I gotta get myself a dodger dog. Well what about Fenway Frank. Frank Inefficient Fenway. Frank Yeah gotTa have one. Yeah I almost want to take a hotdog road trip around the country and stop at every ballpark on the way. I'm there you know I'm with that that is that's what I want to be doing hotdogs for two months. I don't know if I could do that. No that would be a terrible idea but when I was at chase field I did not get their chicken enchilada dog and I hear good things. Oh you know that does sound fantastic. When I was in Tucson there is a place that did they call them Sonora dogs and it was kind of the same idea? And I gotTa tell you. That's something else else. So I mean everybody has their own version of the dog so I wanted to hear from the the listeners. Guys what do you think what is the best dog do you. Do you need a coney right. Are you from Detroit. And you want your coney dog with the with the onions and Chili and the mustard or or do you want cheerios. Between between those bonds like what are you what do you. What do you got to have? You know where's your. Where's your favorite hotdog and baseball? Yeah let us know what we definitely want to hear from you. I'm amazed at how. How many hyper famous hotdogs there? Oh Yeah it's just it's amazing. It's clearly the number one you know what I mean like. It's just awesome awesome. I just love it it has to be I mean we. There's A. There's a shirt on a shop. That says a ballpark. Or what is it a hotdog at the ballpark is better within a steak at the Ritz steak threats. That's right only agree. It's the environment. It's what you eat it. A game hotdog and sunflower seats. So don't don't oh just tell us about your Heart Doug we definitely WanNa hear about your hot dogs because everybody loves the dog. But what's your what's your go to. What's your go to I guess you could say entree which you go to entree entree to ballpark. What's go snack like we talked about? We love to eat sunflower seeds What's your Go-to desert? And yeah breath like. Would you like to eat at a ballpark. Let us know dust. You can comment on the VIP group. You can comment on the podcast self. You can comment on the episode so page a baseball together DOT COM. So wherever you WanNa comment let us know let us know what you think about eating at ballparks. Because we want to hear from you because it's it's a fun conversation Asian and I like to take recommendations of what to eat too like if you tell me told you need to get here then let me know let us know. Don't forget that if you want want to join the VIP group on facebook it's like the central hub of all of our activity and it's the greatest place to be. We have the best baseball family family on this group. Were about seven hundred strong right now and we want you to be a part of it. So here's what you do go on facebook and you search nine plus plus us. VIP's that's one way to do it. The number nine and then plus us. VIP's or you can search for nine plus us on facebook. facebook go over to the left side on the desktop to go to lose sight. It says groups and you'll see nine plus as VIP their request join. We'll go and let you in because we love more people in our baseball family and Yeah that'd be great So we talked a little bit earlier about the hotdog shirt hurt. 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Old School

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

56:17 min | 1 year ago

Old School

"Want to give Mike Trout Memorabilia. Mike trout stay raking sweet fix in is up and running for all of September play on your mobile device for a chance to win awesome prizes autographed by Mike Trout including including jerseys trout six turf shoes hats and baseball's. MLB nine innings download it now no purchase necessary because it be. It Dot L. Y. Slash stay raking for official rules and details. Major League baseball trademarks used with permission and they'll be. PA trademarks copyrighted works and other intellectual property rights are used with permission of the MLB baseball tonight the podcast. This is the baseball tonight podcast for Tuesday September twenty fourth two thousand nineteen buster only back at Bristol is Troy Farkas Troy. How you doing today doing okay buster had a I had a weird thing last night and get much sleep because some random in a person just knocked on my door like eleven thirty last night. I don't know what was going on but it was really freaky and I had trouble flying back sleep after that man well the good thing. Is You have blinds on your. He couldn't look in the apartment right now buster. I don't see the thing about me is. I don't think I've told you this. You don't have blinds in your apartment on your window luster. No I'm I'm a minimalist. I don't have many things don't believe in having many things many possessions of any kind no matter how practical they are so blinds nominated to cut for me okay. I want you today after we're done with the show head out to a local store price some blinds and I will pay for your blinds. Okay really get some blinds on the windows. One hundred hundred percent kidding you need to get blinds and you're willing to just make sure they're not like gold plated or something like that okay. Let's just basic blinds that you're gonNA lay down because when you told me that before we started. I was like that's insane. All right today coming up in interview with Future Hall of Famer Bruce Bochy who is in his last week is giants manager. He has lots of stories but he told one of the coolest stories that I've ever heard about the gracious act of a veteran player when boaty son made his major league debut troy you I heard the story. We're not going to get into it here but that was awesome. Yeah it was an awesome story part of just a whole great interview that shows what kind of Guy Bruce Bochy is and really excited for everyone to hear it all right. Let's get to it last night in the American league and these are the best race is going on right now. The American League wild-card races the raise played the red sox and they fell behind early but the bottom of the fourth inning they storm back to one swinton one way up into the air and left. This was a hey third homer beginning six one four arrays pick a six four lead that from six twenty. WD Hey the raise you're GONNA win seven four but in that bottom of the fourth inning mookie Betts made perhaps the throw of the year. Give listen this as a shot past. I way down the line on bringing another ride. Joy is the score digging for third. Here's the long long throw and the tag and he is third. mookie betts guns down a long distance heaved a nail of third base. WHAT CHUCK DOC playbook Dave O'Brien on Nessin Yeah. He threw it from the warning track in the right field corner on the flight at Third Base Troy Oy. You're not someone who's impressed that. Throw had to have impressed poster. I gotTa tell you that that is the most impressive play I've seen this year this hearkens back to the days of each atro- when he was doing things like this on daily basis that was awesome. Thank goodness that you rubber-stamp. That throw is being grey. One that that was unbelievable Tampa Bay now a half it came ahead of Cleveland in the American League Wild Card race their game and a half behind Oakland in the wildcard battle which obviously will continue to heat up as the week goes along on the nationally wildcard races seem pretty much settled after what happened last night the nationals face the phillies bottom of the first inning. Adamy was at the Plate Pete to Right Bill Harper turns and watches the secondary to the left of the band Homerun Charlie slows in the national radio network in the bottom of the third inning Trai Turner helped out. Here's the pitch swing and a fly ball hit to left field sitting Parrella back to the warning track at the wall and it has gone three branding. That's number seventeen for Turner phillies nothing in Washington in which is Kinda struggled a little bit lately. They went on to win this game. Seven to to maintain some equilibrium the marlins face the mets the mets hanging barely early by a fingernail in the wild card race in the top of the sixth inning the marlins already had a two old lead against Stephen Mats in the bases loaded. This is is what happened the pitch and AL thorough crushes the ball high into the air. It's deep to right center and it is up up and away and Hor Hey al Farrow Barrow has hit his first Grand Slam home run the Marlins blow it open with one swing of the bat four runs just like that and a six to nothing Lee Dave Van Horn. WBZ newsradio seven eighty the marlins went on to win this game eight to four at the moment that that ball cleared the wall. Stephen Ashes crouch down on the mound. He could see his face. That was a body blow for the mat-su time when they basically have to win out at the end of the night the mets chances for we're making the playoffs zero point three percent the cubs at two point one percent the cardinals were in Arizona and we're of course Paul Goldschmidt. His first game came back in Arizona since being traded by the diamondbacks the diamondbacks only one loss away from being eliminated in the top of the third inning this happened and here comes in at Bullshit Pizza Right Centerfield backing up his right to the track to the wall fly Paul Goldschmidt in his one hundredth home run in this ballpark and everybody cardinal fans and diamondback fans are enjoying during this moment Paul Goldschmidt Ricky Ord and the cardinals radio network later in the Game Yada here. Molina had a moment the pitch by young a swimming along when formoly now that's long God and left Centerfield two run homer for Yada. Yeah three nights and the cardinals lead six to John Rooney on the Cardinals Radio Network Saint Louis Wins Nine Ninety six Arizona eliminated from playoff contention Satterfield off the day the game of the day from the first day of the last week of the regular season according to Troy Farkas our producer the Blue Jays and the orioles. Are you serious Mr Farkash. Are you kidding. This is the game of the day we got all these. Games with playoff implications were nearing the end of September in these two teams that were eliminated donated back on March. First Buster is a completely meaningless game but in insane game young studs flag rare. You've got guys like Chris Davis who we thought were never going to play in the major leagues again after a rough start the he's making big plays totally mean. Let's but such a better game than every other game on this late last tonight. Just so you know I do radio every Tuesday in Toronto and I told the producer there before it went on. Can you believe that my producer picked. This game is the game of the day any noted that when this game ended there about fifteen people in the stands okay. It's the last week September. You can't pick two teams out of it but you you know what we'll roll with your theory ladder junior's. You said you know big Stud. You came to the plate in the bottom of the ninth inning with the blue. Jays trailing by a run and score is single and it's nine nine. Hi Buck Martinez on the Blue Jays television network top of the twelfth inning Chris Davis came to the play two hundred ninety four career homers retail delivery clocks that one to write it is back warning track wall Chris Davis. He delivers the ball in the twelfth inning with two dowd and the Orioles are back on top ten to nine. Did you hear the Gulf collapse like you hear the Gulf collapse ahead of the crowd without Homerun Gary Thorne with that call on massin. Let's see what it sounded like in the bottom of the fifteenth any because as the Blue Jays tied the game in the bottom of the twelve in went to the bottom of the fifteenth Anthony Alfred at the plate. Here's the pitch swallow to drill deep left feel and let's go to the first major league home on the offered his game winner as he walks in off in the fifteenth that from Sports Sports Net five ninety the fan yet the wives and girlfriends section. You sound like you're about twenty people in their Roy opinion here. That was an amazing game. I don't care what you say. That was a great baseball game. One of the best all season man well. We're going to be talking with Dave Show and field on on the show coming up here and we won't be talking about the Blue Jays in the orioles but before we lead off with him the ever feel like ticketing websites getting to the event difficult on purpose. It's it's as if they're so big they can get away with not caring about the customer experience. 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Tickets arrived arrive very quickly from seeking it was smooth a silk seeking even give you ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase. All you need to do is use the Promo code download the seek GEEK APP today and use Promo Code Buster for ten dollars off your first purchase and it's Promo Code Buster for ten dollars off on your first purchase Welcome to the show welcome to the show welcome to show GonNa show show the show. Maybe you're in the show with TV show and that's right and and before the show started I appreciate the fact you express some concern about me because she said my voice was somewhat subdued in the podcast on Monday. I was a little worried. We wouldn't even have a show today. I mean you're talking with Tim yesterday yesterday. You Senate very horse. Maybe little under the weather. It's a long season. I thought maybe you were just dragging a little bit here. It's temper but you sound healthy and well today so good. Just yeah just to clarify that when we do the baggage claim Mondays and I have to tape the podcast in a public setting and as I said yesterday I was sitting the engage be too and when I walk into the airport on Monday mornings I like go and try and find a place or not going to bother to many people because usually it's like seven o'clock in the morning or six thirty in the morning and you just imagining somebody like getting up and sort of slogging through security yesterday in Cleveland that we're probably some browns fans ends who said they probably been drinking and they're tired in the last thing they want to hear some guy sitting in the corner at the best. Bob podcast with the big radio voice the whole thing. I don't WanNa ruin anybody's Day early in the morning so I it was just keeping my voice down a little bit. Could you imagine standing in line. You got your starbucks starbucks in one hand. You don't it in the other and you gotta listen to somebody. Talk About Baseball for an hour yeah that might be a little gnawing at seven in the morning yeah and you just just imagining you like they're talking to themselves right and my both my kids have said to me that you know they'll see they'll start walking toward my office and they'll you're. GonNa walk in the room and then my daughter versus and then I heard you had your baseball voice on radio. Voice baseball voice on so that's why I sent subdued yesterday. All right. We're going to talk about dead joost's to announce that he's going to retire. We're going to talk about an angry. Scott Boris and what's next for the cubs but I as we get going please update your award leaders for the major awards the National League American League Zion Award leaders and the award and because I think you'll agree that there's no point in talking about rookie year anymore right. I mean you're on Alvarez in Pita Lonzo unanimous selections. Yes yeah rookies are over. I think take up the garage has all but kinda wrapped up the NFL citing award there might be some disagreement disagreement there but he's up there in every category cosign cosign one five five in the second half and I know Jack flirty clarity's been great but wins that I think the others are still up for grabs slight edge to lander but Garrett Cole might have two more starts. If he goes he goes tonight and I think he scheduled on Sunday. We'll see if he pitches that game for lander seventeen mornings. That's kind of the separator for me. That's how close it is. Though just GONNA come down two innings pitched. NL MVP GO SLADE ADDS to cody bellinger Anthony Ren. Don't did not have a good week last week but but has one week left. We'll see what happens L. though buster I'll see if you disagree. I think we're getting closer Alex Bregman. You know getting getting closer and war more runs more. RBI's obviously more games played his teams in the playoffs Bregman a little more defensive value. I think that was going to be very very close. Vote in the end yeah. I'm on the record I would pick trout but I think Bregman is. GonNa wind up winning the award because of what you're talking about some of the counting statistics. He's he's going to have more than trout and I think that's going to be a difference maker. we talked last week about cody bellinger really look bad at the plate and when he faced the mets and Sunday night baseball he had some good moments last week and I think that that helps stabilize his candidacy and I agree with you on Burland or I think he has an edge right now for that award yeah yeah bellinger three homer six. RBI's last week and yeah we've talked about scuffled a little bit least compared to his hot start. Rondonia only only at one rb last week at one sixty seven so that kind of drew him back a little bit he'd been so hot. I'm curious to see what Garrett Cole Cole does these last two starts because that could bring him closer and what's his string of double digit strikeout games it sits it's way up there now but burland under. I think he's got he's got. The No hitter does lead in the are a slight edge over coal man. What a one two Hugh Punch though going into those two guys and whatever disappointment Cole might feel when the announcement comes in mid November if Villanova wins a cy young award because like like a month or six weeks or two Garrett Cole is going to get the biggest pitching contract in the history of baseball I've asked a bunch of executives. What do you think is going to get in. Everyone's like yeah he's going to break the record which is two hundred and seventeen million for David price so a good year for both of those guys I a good year for Neo sees retiring as manager the royals at the end of the season. He made that announcement yesterday. He's sixty five years old. He managed his manage. The royals seven hundred forty four wins led them of of course the two thousand fifteen world series championship after managing the roles to the world series in two thousand fourteen sixteen years as a manager Afoul two hundred and one wins and one of the most interesting personalities that I've run across covering baseball and let me make this absolutely clear I ain't ned has a great heart like I think he has a great heart but some of his communications the way he discussions with reporters there. Just it's a little obtuse. I think you would agree with me well. I have a funny story that I can't really tell because it happened at a private function tonight. Espn but let's just say ned wasn't really into analytics all that much but it was the perfect manager at the perfect. Mc Time for that young team even ned would say I just kind of let them play in stayed out of the way you know. He didn't try to do too much. He had that Bullpen so oh. He didn't have to really over think things you know strategic wise but he was the right guy at the right time for that team. He won a world series so Congrat- took the ned for for a great career there and this was someone very serious about baseball never forget. I can't believe it's been twenty years but John. Rocker was having all of his incidents. He was in his glory with the Atlanta Braves. He wanted to being suspended. He made some homophobic comments. Some racist comments I think he flipped off a mets fan at one point and you wind up getting suspended and when he rejoined the braves the neck spring they held a team meeting and I've never asked about this but I've heard this from other people and so they're in the room full of braves players member. That's a team managed by Bobby Cox and they got all those pitchers in Feature Hall of Famers on on that team and the guy is I was told who absolutely lit up John Rocker in that room was ned joost about how eat embarrassed everybody in the room how how he had done the wrong thing and at that time. Ned Joost was a pretty sure he was the bullpen coach and that to me gives some insight into ned having a strong wrong feeling about how he believes right wrong should be and that's that's what I always got from and then he always has had strong beliefs about how you do things. No I mean I guess she didn't label him old school but I would also say he was a players manager but he was comfortable in his own skin and you know when the royals royals were competitive there he was getting grilled a lot about some of the analytics and how the royals didn't appear to to pay a whole lot of attention to some of the numbers batting Elsie Escobar leadoff member. There's a while there. He moved him down on the order then. He moved him back up because he's like we're winning with him. You know in that position. I don't care air what the numbers say we win with him batting leadoff and it worked for the royals doesn't work for every team but ned ghost again comfort- comfortable in his own own skin comfortable in his own beliefs and again to world series appearances. So how much can you knock it at work at the time and day before each of the Sunday night games as you always have those meetings with the managers and repeatedly I found myself as someone who knew net a little bit better than some of the folks in our group as we're walking out of the room. They'd be looking at each other going. What what is bad mood. Is there something I'd be like. No that's just ned. He's a good dude and I encourage everybody to go and read the stories as they were done by our colleague standing McCullough of the athletic now who cover net is a manager when he's working at the Kansas City Star Rusting Dodd wrote a great piece really immeasurable character in really happy for Ned that he's making the decision to step away from baseball. It's sixty five right away and I started hearing this in the spring. Mike Been Feeney's name has surfaced as the heir apparent to ned joost and the royal stuff to go through the process go through interviews but everyone seems to believe the might be. He's going to be there next manager. You talk about old school me. Mike metheny fits that category as well and I'm really curious about what Mike has sort of learned in thought about during his time since he was let go by the cardinals because I again might be any guy I think in baseball circles he's well liked. He's well respected but it's been pretty clear from some of the by play coming out of Saint Louis C. stepped down as manager players. I thought he was just Steph and they thought he was too rigid in what he was doing and it'll be interesting to see what adjustments machine makes yeah. That's the first thing I I saw it. As that's here you know as soon as Mike Shell took over the culture changed in and obviously Saint Louis has headed the playoffs this year for the first time I am in four years. It's Tacos you look at who are kind of the successful managers right now Terry Francona Aaron Boone Alex Cora. These are without out a doubt what you would label players managers right. They're not the old school set up a wall between the manager and the players that era doesn't really really exist anymore so yeah. Mike Messini the right fit for the modern player but you can learn a lot of managers have failed. They didn't fail a lot of managers had one team and then got rehired and had a lot of success so doesn't mean he can't change and can't eventually winning Kansas City if he gets the job and a great example that was buck showalter. WHO's you know early in his career. He was definitely someone who believed and still probably nobly believes that there's a right way and a wrong way to where your cap and wear a uniform and by the time he got to the Orioles at the end you'd go and watch your take batting practice and some of them had their caps on backwards quarts and some of them wearing shorts and they were wearing different colored things and I asked buck about any kind of drug didn't hey you live and you learn if you wanna find and one common denominator in some of the manager decisions in recent years. I do think that that old school intense manager bringing it. You know going one hundred miles per hour every moment of every day. Those guys are getting pushed to the side. Joe Girardi very well respected but we heard that when he was let go by the Yankees that there was a there wasn't really connection with the players as much. Andy Green has that type of personality just let go by the padres and as I say that's certainly Mike Medina's reputation and will be hearing from Mike. I'm sure if you wanted to be hired by the royals about what he thought about what he's learned. Since being let go all right Scott Boris Right Major League Baseball yesterday after Kris Bryant got hurt a sprained his ankle landing awkwardly in a wet first-base bag on Sunday he also Scott Represents Bryce Harper Ouija Richard his niece slipping on a wet base two years ago and what Boers told the Chicago sun-times. What have they done since Harper. The answer is nothing and I gotTa tell you tape when I saw this. I was like I agree with Scott like I can't figure out why the bases are slick and how they can't come up with a solution ocean. 'cause you'll see this from time to Time No. Scott's right I mean can we not spend a million dollars contract out to some material science dance program at a university and figure out a better base material bag. Maybe we go back to those puffy bags that they use back in nineteen. Oh eighty something. It seems like it's been more than just harper and Brian. Nobody else POPs up you know in my head but we've seen it a few times too many any yeah. There's gotta be a better solution here all right. You have a piece on. ESPN DOT com today about the Tampa Bay rays who are a miracle like I think any team that tank the last this year and past seasons should watch the raise and say and feel ashamed because when you look at what the rays have been winning winning with and how they find a solutions and guys who are cast-offs with other teams and doing well for them. I think Oliver Drake of known for years years and years and years at pitching for the raise this year doing a great job. Nick Anderson who they acquired at the trade deadline was pitching an independent ball and now he's I've got one of the best strikeout rates in baseball they find solutions and they're in a position where they could make the playoffs no they are. I didn't even mention this in my piece but they had the lowest payroll in baseball which proves you don't have to sign all these free agents to to win in fact really nobody in their teams having having a superstar year it's all about the depth across the roster and that's allowed them to to manage despite a lot of pitching injury. Yankees as we talked we hear about all the injuries in New York and how they've played through them a look at the Tampa Bay rotations been decimated here and there throughout the year now Blake Snell just came back back. Tyler glasnost came back on each ear nose. Just came back with those guys missed large chunks of the season. Charlie Morton been the only stable arm in the rotation all year yet yet here they are. They might set a franchise record for wins if they went out so Kudos to the Ray. It's a fun team. Kevin cash the way he manipulates hippie late. That bullpen is amazing. I don't know who the manager of the year is this year and they al between cash and Francona and Bob Melvin. We've got some great Eric candidates but Kevin cash the way he handles the bullpen is one of the remarkable managerial stories of the year. Yeah I talked to General Manager Eric neander gender earlier this month and asked him at the end of August when they had you know every day it was like a patch-work trying to come up with solution to the pitching he was so so relieved you got into September and the the roster's opened up and you had more pitching options on a daily basis because he said every day it was was definitely like a puzzle and before you go last night the cardinals went again they eliminate the Arizona diamondbacks Yada Air Molina at a Homerun last night among two hits he had big hits that cup series in a few years ago day by wrote a piece about Molina which I feel like that he's defensive. Impact has been that even a few years ago. I thought this guy's is a hall of Famer. It's interesting because as time goes on a lot of the counting numbers form are starting to near some some round numbers that that second hand last night gives him nine thousand nine hundred fifty eight in his career. He has one hundred fifty six homers and not a big. Rbi Guide. Nobody in the industry is now but he's got nine hundred fifteen so next year. He's you know or maybe early in two thousand twenty one. It probably pass thousand which is a big number for a catcher sure especially when that's on the bottom half of his resume to me not only Molina now a hall of Famer. He should be in animus election. What do you think so I am with you. No doubt no brainer. I think that was debatable a few years ago. I don't think that's the case anymore. I would vote for him. I'm the impact on the defense in really to me. It's him Johnny Bench. Pudge Rodriguez are probably the three greatest defensive catchers. I'm not sure pudge was was quite the handler of the pitching staff that Molina was benched little before my time but obviously he won some titles with the big red machine I don't think he's going to be an animus. I still think there's GonNa be some voters at least a handful. We're going to look at the offensive numbers career. PS Plus Ninety eight so it's been about a league average hitter and say not enough for me the war fortysomething war little you know so I would say more like ninety five percent but I think he gets in first ballot for sure Yup. He'll make a speech some day and another guy who will be making speech at the the whole thing Bruce Bochy Dave's GonNa tell you I know you listen to podcasts and I greatly appreciate that. He told us one of the coolest stories I've ever heard in the time I've covered baseball when we interviewed him the other day so give a lesson today. Okay it's coming up right now wants to give Mike Trout Memorabilia. Mike Trout stay raking sweep fix is up and running for all of September play on your mobile device for a chance to win awesome prizes autographed by Mike Trout including jerseys trout six turf shoes hats and baseball's. MLB nine innings meanings download it now no purchase necessary visit V. I T. Dot L. Y. Slash stay raking for official rules and details. Major League baseball trademarks used with permission and they'll be trademarks copyrighted works and other intellectual property rights are used with permission of the MLB. It's it's time to make the call to the legend on baseball tonight. Bruce Bochy manage twenty five seasons in the major leagues and the other night. He got his two thousand career regular season victory and both when that happened. I'm curious what was because I'm sure you heard from a lot of people well. It was someone that you get a text message from or a phone call from that. was that was a lot of fun. You know buster eight lead somebody out you you know when they listen to this but you know probably the coolest part was A. Lotta ex players SIPPY tax. You know even going back to woody. Williams is like that while he joined her. You Know Ben that means a lot to me that you know they took the time to do that now. you know some friends a lot of the family a you know Huey Lewis for example. He was just he did a little thing for me. he sent me a nice tax so really we had them all over but I think you look back at the ex players that really nice messages to me. That's that's what I really appreciate. Yeah and I'M GONNA be asking you to choose to some of your favorite. situations favorite players like choosing which I know for us is going to be like choosing between to sons but before that I remember when I talked to you at the winter meetings last year about the fact that this was going to be the last year for you with the giants. It's I was under the assumption that definitely would be it and some of the interviews you've done. I seen your answers about whether or not you wanNA manage again for the record. Is it something something you want to continue doing. If the right opportunity comes along you know buster. I tell you what I've been saying really. Is You know when I made made made it probably that you know this should be for me I I really in their ass you know of course I got asked well. Thank commanded you get a you. Don't know that I don't know that until it's over and you know get away from it. You Know Oh how I I'm going to be doing and what I mean by. That is my appetite for managing again. I I just don't know I felt like it was time when I made this call aw I'm good with it. and I know my wife's good with it but you know hey. It's been doing it so long so i. I don't know you know. Some hits me later on could be a year from now. Whatever I I can't answer that do I. You know I walk away and and have all this free time on my hand where I'm going now. What yeah that's exactly right all right. I'm going to ask you to try to dig out some memories. What's if your favorite moment from your time as a manager. Well I mean. It's really a toss up and I'm not on defense here. I mean the getting the last out in two thousand ten world series you know when you know Brian Wilson the beer when he threw that front door cutter in the last out there it's it's a moment that I'll never could get you know ever done it. Barbara World cheers champion. It never happened in San Francisco so when he got crews on that pitch you know that's gotta be up there but handing the ball to my son is right up there and I didn't realize at the time. It never happened baseball. So you know I go to and I'll you know I got prefaced this a look. Uh Not so it'd be quick but the night before we were getting boat race and what I mean by that. The dodgers were beaten pretty bad so I get home and my wife sparking well. Why didn't you put bread in my son. I said well yeah. There's other kids called up. I don't WanNA show any favoritism. Whatever and she's the way he's not here quite the paycheck you know kind of getting on me so the next night and you know. I was same thing we're getting beat up pretty good and then one pitcher put in his pitch limit at come up the bases loaded could get out of that. Put bread in there and so anyway. I bring him in handling the ball such emotional and nervous time for me and I told him how to pitch to one you rebate. I said just throw strike on thrones insiders and he'll expand for you. Where do strike blend do some good sliders. It's up to play and why never swung and I guess one saying hey we wedding. That was your son because one and I have a great relationship. He said I wasn't going to swing the bat so my sock is back. The dugout is nice scouting report that in but you get the next guy out anyway wait. That was such a big moment for me. And of course I got home then Mama's going way to make you had to put a man with the bases loaded. You could find a better so I couldn't win on that. That one started. I'd Never Been No. That's okay. BOCCIA had never heard that story. So why don't you rebate took strike at intentionally for the sake of bread. That's what I heard you know 'cause I. I was asking somebody I couldn't believe one was more or less than so that was a feedback I'd gotten right and so I waited on and you know be on. Some never had a chance to talk to him. 'cause they laughed and of course he's home in the Dominican are playing baseball more but so yeah that was that was the case. You Know How some I guess I could say that was one to be but I guess Nicer Guy. He didn't do any more damage so tell me what it was like to point to the bullpen when you know that he's coming in and what did you say to him. baseball stuff aside when he walked in from the bullpen. Yeah it started when I started out to mount of course I some fans really got into rep being up there. They want to see him pitch and they were kind of looking for the moment so they were chanting his name but even more pressure on me so when I went out there I started feeling during then might call them. Sit on the mound you know I just couldn't believe this was happening in you you know it's it's the moment that neither one of us. I think we're ever forget I know I will but then we get to the mound. You know I didn't really go into anything in baseball. You know all the guys were there. Whatever just kind of you know kept it on that level and I think that something could add some fun with this you now and gave him a little game plan but I you know he ended up pitching at Petco to now where I was saying. Hey Go as you well know he hung around Ballpark a lot in young round pick goes. I think that would be too yeah. I remember also throw in Jack Murphy. As as well playing catch he was just a kid fling in the ball around all right again. I told you I was GONNA. Make you choose between kids. Who was a player? You really love to manage your career career. Oh Man Oh Jeez. I got a pretty good list here but yeah I mean Tony Gwynn played with them. you know coach them and manage them. In under you know forever grateful that he helped he helped me. My first year helped me establish credibility with the players you know hey boats knows what he's doing. That was ninety five. Come Up. If you remember that strike year Yup and so you know he he was a guy that deal for me but we're really Tim was one. I'd love to manage show. I like guys who assume a leadership role in the clubhouse house and so those in my early years those guys really meant a lot to me now up here I mean you know buster inbound those those two right up there of course hundred pence how inspiring he was so you know. I can't pick one. I mean there's so many the but you know those are Those guys are mentioned at the top and you know I forgot Trevor Hoffman. I there's no way I forget him with the leadership that he brought to you know the bullpen I wouldn't I wouldn't be managing this long but it was trevor so you know he's at the top and when and you get inducted the hall of Fame Trevor's GonNa have so much fun with that being part of that group already. That'll be awesome for you guys a player in your time managing who oh you just love this sense of humor. Oh you know probably Ryan -Tario I just I had him for a short time. This one funny he he was the Dugout Lucy every apartment JERRY EVERY TIME THEY THIRTY MR call come on Terry he an atom and but just you know his way of keeping been guys loose and having fun with the Game I wish I had him for a long time but it had them in two thousand twelve world series and ended up scoring scoring the winning run and he shut it down after that but I'd I'd put him up there. The hardest baseball related related conversation. You've had ever had with a player because you always hear you know managers. We'll talk about you know having to let somebody go or decision that sort of thing the hardest conversation you ever ahead with player. Wow you give me good here. I tell you probably better Barry Zito. You know it's put him Arlington coming. I'll give you the two incidents in two thousand ten we've decided not to put Berry on the playoff roster and that that was it's not an easy conversation the made it easier though being so professional about it and after a conversation but is spikes on went down down and threw a bullpen stay ready for the next round in case we needed him there but you know because he he was one of our you know starters he he's he's one of our guys granted was not a good year for them but it wasn't easy leave him off a dental company when I got him in the weight room real and you know in twelve and Timmy you know I'd like to put you in the bullpen. I think you could really help us. when you're at the playoffs with your help coming out and in here's a guy that's won cy young don't two no hitters you know what he's accomplished and and he said hey no problem you think that's the best way for us to win and I'm all in on this and that which he did help and Cincinnati these different postseason Asian Games. I played a major role in it. What was your most memorable mound visit like a conversation or some surreal thing that happened when you went out to the Mount well the other guys talked about it and used it jokes whatever but it happened with TV you know and he gave up some home runs trying to finish the game and Milwaukee and he started giving up home runs in a couple and we got a pretty good lead but when it's interesting game and so I went out there and he says you're GonNa take me out. I I'll Tennessee says because now let me just give what's his name time. Get back up there and we go and story man man. What's the way the game has changed the most in the time that you've been managing because it has changed dramatically but in your eyes. What's the biggest change the biggest change? Oh man the biggest wow um well. I just think you have to look at the analytics. I mean in general so you can get a little specific here but you know even you notice in spring training when pitchers throw it's about every club to whether you know you have. Edward out there the rhapsody in they'll have these machines in these pictures and they're doing spin rate looking at angle handing thank those things and after the bullpen session. I'll be pitching coach in the pictures. You know they had a conversation but now they go to the guys running their you know all the analytics and you know now that's worked. First Conversation is so you know it's like it's taking a little bit of a priority even over coaching. I think so I got up there. Yeah it is amazing and tape scene said to me one point. He thinks he'll be a time in baseball where every hitter has their own personal swing coach kind of like. They do in golf where you don't want food. It's a great point. I feel it's close to that now and then you know what it's kind of feel for hitting coaches now because you know their neck is in the news every year you know for the does do well for most of them. Do have their only hitting coach so it's not like he you know. He's you know he's getting the blame. If you guys aren't performing warming although they're going to another guy it's not so really now. That's why one of your peers told me it's the worst job in baseball now because is the guy who's working on this wing isn't there and games when the struggles are going on and it's the guys in the dugout always winds up dead the blame so I I told our guys analytics INC thing with them with the shifting going on and he's extreme shifts and forbade outfields. I said okay then when this doesn't work work. We put your picture on the scoreboard and said this was his call now. You're putting more pressure on them exactly all right well. I appreciate you doing this. I wanted to catch before. It gets totally crazy for you in that last weekend congratulations. I'm so happy for Oh yeah well. Thanks Charlotte talking with you. I gotTa Tell You something winding things up and in the public here you know I go to my my sister's place and she still has hanging on her wall was article you did on me when I was first named manager back in San Diego back when we you're at the mercy. She's still has it there with you. Know Your your article being so it was pretty cool and I appreciate that working with you but you know you're still hanging up. Birdie appreciated both yeah. I always remember that conversation after Jim. Riggleman left padres to go to Chicago and I call Randy Smith to get some background on who was going to talk to and there was silence for about five seconds you idiot. That's why I've wanted to hire since he was in the minor leagues. That's quite a run for you. Thank you thank you thank you buster numbers game theralac langues reporter and a producer for MLB DOT COM and Sarah. What a great story Bruce Bocce details about your ebay taking a strikeout so Brett Bochy. His son can have a moment. It's one of the coolest stories I've heard in baseball and I gotTa tell you the other day after our before Sunday night game. I want to spoke with Terry Franconian. I was standing in front of the Indians dug out. He was getting ready for the game. I told him that he got the biggest grin on his face and he goes. You know that doesn't surprise me because they're you rebate played for him. and he talked about grace. It showed that he'd have a veteran hit or take a strikeout so the son of a manager could have a moment yeah. I think it's so cool. It's so cool to hear that. Tito was so into that because I just can't I can't think of hitters being in that situation. Usually that's what you think of what the Pitcher with grooving a pitch obviously and we've talked about that but was so cool to me. Is that really didn't really play for the giants for that long. Obviously he was on the world series team but he only played two hundred had seventy games for the team. You know he was there no nine and then he was there in two thousand ten when they won that first world series of that stretch but you know it just tells you how powerful of a figure and person. Bruce Bochy is that even in just those two seasons and he wasn't an everyday player necessarily until two thousand ten that he developed that respect that he knew that this this is the moment that I have for him and to your point it oh it's famously. Denny maclaine grooved a fastball for Mickey Mantle in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight to give the opportunity to Homerun Jake peavy did that for todd held his last game in Colorado when I covered the orioles in the ninety s Mike Mussina did that for Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker occur in their last game together for the Tigers and Tiger Stadium but I've never heard of a battered women that taken three strikes like that for a guy to to have them on by the way when we got done the bocce interview he was saying hey how Sarah doing. He knows you've dating way back yeah yeah we we in friends in spring training back in boy when when I was still in college and I was there with my mom is a big giants fan. We're rooting for the team and everything and we got to talking and you know it's at the point. Where we we chat a bunch. I got to see them play. Am Philly the last few years and go down actually chat with him before the game. He's as a really great really great guy as you know right. Let's play the numbers game number. Three number three is too so that's the cubs playoff odds right now two percent as recently as September sixteenth which was last Monday. The cubs had a seventy seven percent chance to make the playoffs and not just that by the way they had thirty plus percent chance to win the division to you which is not insignificant. That's a seventy five percentage point drop in less than a week is there are two percent on Sunday night for the cubs. It's just you you know. This is what happens when you lose this many games straight and in that fashion especially with the one run games this late in the season. There's just not time for the odds to be like. Oh no you'll figure it out or for us to think that you'll figure it out but it's pretty incredible to essentially see one series against the cardinals and the cup season and probably more than just their season season as it stands number two number two sixty five so that's the raise playoff odds right now. Sixty five percent and the Indians are at forty forty percent according to fan graphs so the Indians actually have a slightly easier schedule the rest of the way by strength of schedule metrics the raise up to play the Yankees right now but the Indians Argon. We're GONNA have to play without a D. H. In DC to end the season so it's hard to really know where you think this is. GonNa go but one thing that's really interesting to me. Is that the Indians liens before they go play the nationals. They're going to be claimed the white sox and the white sox are one of these teams where sometimes we see this in a year where a team falls just short of a division Asian like there's one bad team. They couldn't beat for the phillies this year for instance. It was the Marlins the white sox are that team for the Indians so they're only seven and nine against them which is fine in but not great not what you expect out of one of the worst teams in the division and the twins went thirteen and six against them so no matter what they're going to finish with a worse record against the white sox then the twins had and it's you could almost say that's part of what decided the division and hopefully for the Indians it doesn't also end up deciding the wild card for them and just to jump. I've been real quick. I mean if you're the Indians right now. One of the key factors is what happens with the national the next couple of days. If you're the Indians last night you saw the nationals one you are thrilled because the sooner they clinched the more likely it is this weekend that they pull back and don't press their pitchers and just basically give them blurred fight spring training outings and the Indians right now are the biggest fans of the Washington nationals hoping they wrap it up quickly before they go into Washington this weekend. Go ahead troy number. One number one is fifteen so that's what inning the Blue Days Anthony Alford hit his first career home run which was also a walk off home run against what's the orioles he's the second player in Blue Jays history to have a walk off home run for his first home run but there's a lot more than that so he's the second that can player in the modern era which since nineteen hundred and third in MLB history overall with a walk off home run first career home run in the fifteenth inning or later leader. The other in the modern era was Valmy Thomas in the fifteenth inning in Nineteen fifty seven but if we go before nineteen hundred which is always you know questionable time. There's one other instance. It's old. Hoss rat-borne mostly known as a pitcher you made seventy three starts in eighteen eighty four seventy three complete games. He was quite the pitcher his his first major league home. Run was August seventeenth eighteen eighty two to give the providence grays a one nothing win in eighteen inning and by the way he he started the two games before that as a pitcher and the two games after yes sir. You just gave troy ammunition. I'm not having a loved. This old past read born earn. I love a good old hoss reference thank you to the Blue Jays for making history buster did not agree that the Blue Jays Orioles was game day last night. It should not have been the game of the day Sir Sorry. You just backed him and I can't believe you backed him on that. Being the game of the day I did not say game of the day it was bad. It was the South House in the night on baseball tonight stat in the night. I don't know about gaming the debt well there. You Go all right Sarah thank you. Thanks guys bleacher. tweets tweets unfortunately no tweets this morning you blue jays orioles game but we do have first one docker. Austin Leclair at big red ones zero four four do you think that dealing with time zones and travel during the playoffs affects teams for example the Al Wild Card could be played in Oakland. Will this cause issues for teams coming coming from central or eastern time zones. I mean let's face it. This is one of the things we always look through the prism of the result in determining what the answer is. We'll tell you that in enter production meeting the other day. Alex Rodriguez was talking about like oh man he don't WanNa go to Oakland can make that long flight and then you play and I'll never forget the two thousand playoffs the Yankees accuser down to was they were head-to-toe one they lost game four to five to Oakland and they had to fly to Oakland to play the next day. They didn't have a day off built in and that team was exhausted by the time they got out there and then Eric Chavez was on the big screen. Detroit doing a pre game interview in which he said you know what some reporter asked him. Hey you guys look like if something good going with the athletics and he he said in so how many words and this was on the big screen while the Yankees are taking batting practice he goes yeah. You know that team's time is over. This is our time now and you talk about like an adrenaline title in jolt for a bunch of guys who won the world series several times. They're like Oh yeah. Let's go. They needed it after all that travel for that old team another one from Eric the at Esoteric Eric Zero. Who Do you think has the advantage going into the playoffs. Well rested teams who clinched their divisions long ago or scrappy teams who've been winning do-or-die the nightly just to punch their ticket to the playoffs. Yeah I will tell you I mean look the managers given a choice. They would always take the days off because they can line up their pitching and have that in order but they will also also tell you yeah. It's better to play like a team. That's on a roll at the end of the regular season and has to sit and wait for five days they have. They can in struggle when they get started. I I remember that was it. Two Thousand six Detroit had to wait for the start of that world series like a week and it affected them you talk to players on that that team afterward and they said it that really took away their momentum. WanNa talk here on the podcast recently about the comes so Debbie Meyer at fake Debbie. Meyer wants to know what kind of trade value. Oh you discounts forber. Have I think he has good trade value in part because he's finished the season well last forty five games hitting two ninety three in oak over thousand thirteen homers and look. He's never going to be a gold glove outfielder but he's gotten better in fact. I was looking at defensive. RUN SAVES US morning trading. You know that he's is at minus. One defensive run saves. That's exactly the same as Mike Trout Okay and that number is deceiving. We know the tour is not as good as my trotters and outfielder but he tells you. It's not like he's unplayable. We've Seen Guys playable and chore. I think early in his career was but I think he's okay now. How good is Mike. Trout heard it here first yeah right Mitchell and man man at Tigers of Detroit which player have the most underrated season this year I would nominate Marcus semi-in Mitchell cosign. What about you Troy Lance Lynn of course that's right. I chance the puppy Rangers okay how Stewart Art at Dj how Stewart has the last one. WHO's the most amusing baseball player you've ever had the pleasure of interviewing or spending time with Buster Musing Baseball all player? That's interesting. When I first read the questions morning I thought it was the most enjoyable and I was GonNa say Tony Gwynn amusing. You know what Jason Grimsley who pitched for the Yankees. He was super funny like every time he'd see him. He'd always had something going but there are a lot of guys that are like that I feel like Bocce just was when I interviewed him where I'm asking for particular names over thirty years and he was Kinda struggling to pick just one. I'm kind of the same way but I say Jason Grimsley with someone. I really enjoyed Loyd. Thank you for the tweets. This warn Cuban coming every day. Use the Hashtag or tweets for today. My thanks Dave Show Infield Sarah Lanes Bruce Bochy Troy Farkas this who's finishing up the podcast now and headed over to target to get some shades right yeah. We'll see buster. Great have a great day. Everybody thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to baseball tonight podcast if you're playing fantasy baseball don't forget to listen to the fantasy focus podcast checkout all podcasts at ESPN E._S._p._N. Dot com slash podcast separate baseball tonight the PODCAST.

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 364: Hall of Fame and Offseason Updates

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 364: Hall of Fame and Offseason Updates

"The three golden state concepts baseball podcasts. We cover everything majorly from sprint. Treat the world series. Got your favorite club. Cover from new york to boston to la. This is the golden state media concepts baseball podcast You again for tuning into the gmc. Baseball podcast here. On the gmc podcast network. I'm your host colin manley. And it's been a crazy week in the world of sports. I don't care what you're following. Get spin nuts. The nba has been filled with trades. That's been going on me being a big bucks fan. It's been an exciting time the nfl season. You know it's. It's getting to be even more entertaining. Not a league. That i just is so inconsistent from week to week and who is considered the best news is moving all over the place so then baseball as well. It has been a wild and crazy week. Some of these stories. I feel like are just getting pushed back to the side. We're not really even noticing them happening. But the there's been a lot. There's been a lot going on. And so we have to make sure that we touch upon everything and it's a fun podcast. It's a fun point in the offseason here because of a couple of reasons one. We still get to talk about everything that's happening. Free agent and trade wise. They're still rumors. There's still a lot that's going on around us. There's still some news updates around the league when it comes to front office moves their things but there's also the hall of fame which has come full circle and it's now time to talk about it. I wanna take some time to get you. Cover some points in the hall of fame ballot. Who are some guys that are on there some new names. They how they have done. I think i think this is a very important hall of fame voting year. I really do. And i'll get to talking about that. I also want to dive into some guys that are on the whole theme. There was a fun article from mlb dot com or. They talked about some of the best players. That are not in the hall of fame. So i want to dive into that as well. We also want to make sure that we take the time to do the offseason rumor mill where we asked what are some updates. We need to talk about some players in some rumors going around but we for sure need to start with talking about news in noise around the league getting you caught up on all thirty teams and some big time stories that are happening and there is nothing bigger than we see in chicago. As theo epstein has decided to be stepping down from his role with the cubs. He has been there in the north side of chicago for quite some time. Big big career for epstein. I don't care if you think that he's a guy. That's not as much of a builder. That's kind bet. His knock as some some teams really think that he goes all in for a championship. And he doesn't leave anything there to build upon. But the guy has been a major part of two world series droughts being ended with the boston red the chicago cubs and so the has decided to step down from his post to top teams for an office. This was announced. Tuesday that epstein is gonna depart the organization and his role of president of baseball operations. This is going to be effective on friday. General manager jed lawyer who is in discussions with the cubs a contract extension is supposed to replace epstein as the head of baseball operations and it just. We heard rumors of this happening. We heard them talking about feel. Oh taking on a different role within the organization but ultimately the decision is come that he is going to step away from the team. Now it's important to talk about any rumors that might come out right away and this obviously is a very fluid situation at anything can change but the initial thoughts right now are that he is stepping away and not expected to move onto any other positions in a front office. At least right away this very much change. So i i'm not gonna sit there and put a stamp down and saying that this is not going to happen but theo has said that he needs a new challenge. And there's reports that not necessarily is going to be the mets or the phillies opening now. His resume is going to get him into the hall of fame. Like like we said and chicago detroit in boston. He has done some amazing incredible things and with all the openings going on the mets and phillies are definitely going to be a major talking point. Just he doesn't plan to pursue a job with any club and twenty twenty one now will epstein reconsider that next season possibly will he want to take job. Maybe within the mlb. That's also something that kind of came to my mind when he made the statement but it looks like as of right now this upcoming season he not be a team's front office but we see how this works a lot. What once these guys leave. It doesn't take long for them to want to get back in the game and when you have tasted world series like he has and not just you know getting world series but the situations in which he got world series. I will not be surprised if he is not interested to move elsewhere and try to bring another championship to a new club. You imagine three championships with three different franchises like i. It would be unbelievable but it looks like stepping offer. Twenty twenty one. So he's going to be moving on their congratulations to him on. What has been a really really good career. so far. we'll see we'll see what's next for theo epstein. We're going to have to wait for that one. A little bit next is mike. Clemenger has agreed to a contract extension with san diego padres and it is not an extension like i was expecting to see. It's a two year. Eleven point five million dollar contract but in the first year. Two thousand twenty. One clever is going to miss the season because of tommy john. This team the team analysis on monday. After reaching the agreement and san diego said that closure surgery is due for today as a recording this on november seventeenth of just kind of background story padres traded for clever at this last trade deadline in a big time trade. There was a little controversy. Going on with the cleveland indians but it helped the padres push it to the world to the playoffs. I should say exited in the final start of his regular season later handsome elbow issues and then he tried to go onto the postseason. We saw some more issues there as well. Glitter is a big part of the future. Going forward and this deal. It really feels like hey we want you here. It's almost like a one year contract. It feels like we're gonna give you this chance to recover this year. You're going to get paid but we're treating it like we're actually paying you for one season instead of two seasons and i'm really surprised that clinton to agree to this but at the same time he has security for the next two years and then he gets to move into free agency and if he performs well next year in two thousand twenty two the next time we see him actually on the mound he has the opportunity to really cash in so it. Four stars with san diego was two one with a two point eight four. Ra here. he is just an exciting move. It's unfortunate that we have to wait another year to see the padres really full team come into effect but it is big news to talk about all the same. So congratulations are getting that. Little contracting spent extension really great really great for the padres that they're able to at least lock him up for a little bit Some other transaction news. The atlanta braves have signed lefthander drew smiley to a one year. Eleven million dollar contract on monday smiley. It was thirty. One was owen. One with a three point. Four two era in five starts and two relief appearances last season for san francisco which sign up to a one year. Major league contract in january smiley was four and seven with a six point two four. Era in twenty one starts and four relief appearances in twenty nineteen for the texas rangers which released him in june of that year and philadelphia signed a one month later overall career. He is the definition of average thirty five and thirty five four point one three a. For the tigers. Tampa bay rangers village giants. He's been all over at tommy. John surgery twenty-seven spent a lot of twenty eighteen recovering. So this really is a depth move comes to the braves trying to get any type of pitching help. probably trying to plan some upside. I don't imagine him to be a starter for sure. I think it's gonna be something that will see coming out of the bullpen and when the next season starts winston traded starts. We'll see more what he's going to be He's he's turned to be more of a to pitch kinda guy using his curveball cutter a lot. So we'll see. I just feel like he's going to be a middle reliever eats innings. Maybe spot start. Just situational pitcher. So that i don't i don't get too excited with this move. It's total upside move and this kind of leave it at that. I don't think there's more to it but it is a a move so we have to make sure that we bring it up all together. Lastly we have some new on former los angeles dodgers manager. Tommy lasorda who was hospitalized in intensive care in orange county california. This was announced by the dodgers. On sunday lasorda's ninety three and supposedly resting comfortably and that was according to the team. The dodgers reached out saying the family appreciates everyone's thoughts and prayers however they request their privacy. At this time we recently seen lasorda as he attended the team's game six victory over the tampa bay rays on october twenty seventh when the dodgers claimed their first world series title since nineteen eighty eight. A lot of people that are member lasorda. He managed the dodgers from nineteen seventy six to nineteen ninety-six guiding the team to two world series. Titles during that time as manager dodgers won four national league pennants and eight division titles he had had a history of some heart issues at heart attack in june nineteen ninety six and he had retired from managing the dodgers. The next month remained in the organization for a long time. So we'll see if there's any more updates that comes from that but we hope the best any quick recovery for mr lasorda. Never want to see any negative health news. That's for sure. So that's gonna be for news. Annoys all around the league get you caught up for all teams in the mlb and baseball. Not a lot of news going on there. But that's because we're still trying to approach actual free agency getting crazy and wild for us so if we're going to be talking about that we gotta make sure that we take the time to truly dive into our offseason rumor mill so we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back what are some of the names of the teams are some things that are starting to vote around the mlb coming up here on the gmc baseball podcast. This is your ultimate. Stop for everything. Sports the golden state media concepts sports podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb the nba mma. All in here. The golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen all the. Mlb off season continues to move along and we are not quite to the point. Where a lot of our big names are big side. Were even traded at this point. But that doesn't stop the rumor mill from continuing to go on continuing to bring up any type of story to keep these guys relevant. I'm i'm always curious on these stories because you never truly know where a lot of them are coming from whether agents whether it be teams where this interest is fully coming from but we like to cover it and keep ourselves updated the best weekend so that when it comes to prediction time gets close to signing. we see why these teams have agreed to contracts with certain players. But the first one that we're gonna talk about a candidate is not actually a agent but a candidate for trading. the brewers could start feeling some offers. Josh hader and this isn't the first time that we've been having trade rumors around josh. We've heard before about the yankees a little bit last offseason and it seems like at least for this winter it could be the case again and this doesn't necessarily mean that a trade is bound to happen because the initial reports are the brewers are sitting kind of the same boat as they were last year as they just intend to listen and hero. Any trade offers. It sounds like me. When i'm running any of my fantasy team when someone calls it. What about this player. I'm always willing to listen. You'd be you would be smart management of smart team if you weren't willing to listen no matter who the players you never know what price you're gonna get but this strong strong strong lever still brings. What would probably be a big time hall to move him now. There are concerns with haters velocity blossom dropping a little bit in twenty twenty. Now we talked about in the past. It was weird year for pitchers out. They might not have been their full strength. Some of them because of the quick ramp up the quick start to get back to the were but he went twelve outings to begin the season without allowing a single hit and finish with eight almost forty percent strikeout rate along with a three point. Seven nine era a that was really most of that came. In one appearance he gave up four runs against the cubs on september twelve. It seems like when arbitration comes through haters gonna get roughly about five million dollars and it's going to keep rising as it goes along until he actually the reached free agency in twenty twenty four. That is the biggest thing. There's quite a few relievers that are gonna hit the open market this offseason. They might get paid with some money so him. Being on a five million dollar salary is very valuable and at the same time he has a lot of club control so if the brewers really think that they can maximize value yes he means a lot to the team under the circumstances of being cheap and having control but that also is going to bring you back a lot of value in any type of trade so this could be certain time where the brewers consider this a little bit more. But it's also an interesting time because the brewers happen to have another really great reliever endeavour williams at the moment so that is potentially why things might heat up a little bit more i. I'm i'm not going to throw my you know i'm not gonna through my word out there and say that it's going to happen but we might hear talks intensify a little bit more. Potentially this offseason another name that we're starting to hear george springer haven't dove into him a great amount podcasts at least in my episodes based on where he could go teams that will be interested but one of our teams that we consider to be a sleeper in the sense of good spend some money because they believe they can contend a little bit next year the blue jays fresh off their postseason appearance with a very young and talented core seem like a team that multiple times has been willing to spend a little bit offseason. We've heard about trade rumors we've heard about ties to some of these big time free agents and it looks like springer could be on their radar as well now. Mlb trade rumors the project. It's going to be a five hundred. Twenty five million dollar contract for springer this year this offseason and no issue for some teams given that contract. But it's believed by some scouts. Some you know major high up in the front office. It might be closer than twenty million per year. Tag we'll see is a good power bat. Can help team defensively going to be a great veteran. I think there's going to be a lot more interested in him than we probably have talked about in the past but this is just an early projections in the blue jays are now a team that are floating out there for springer to potentially go to. So that's something we'll be watching booing board talking about a guy that we have had on our lodges because he's been very interesting in the sense. We don't know what's going to happen here. Trevor bauer has been praising the mets recently. He has a youtube video series. Kind of going started this at the beginning of the off season spent about seventeen minutes in that video discussing the mets in new owner. Steve cohen now. Bauer has been very adamant in reaching out to a lot of teams on twitter and social media and talking about how he's would fit on these teams how he will greatness situations so this is nothing new. I want to get that out i. This isn't anything that we haven't seen but if he's going to go and release a video like this and talk about how brilliant steve cohen is. And how great this star has been for the mets. It's definitely something worth noting and over the last couple of months. We don't know where he's going to go pitch. But it's looking like the cy young winner may be leaning towards giving the mets a little bit of attention for a reason. Something for sure to be watching. I just bowers loving his free agency. It really is. I mean is all in kind of like teasing a lot of different teams showing interest. It's been contenders he's going to get paid. I think he's ultimately a very smart man and knows he might be driving up his price just by bringing up all of these teams himself and there there might not even be interest from the mets. We don't truly know this. Could all just talk be fluff but it's still very interesting to point out for sure. Another pitcher who starting to grab a little bit attention is right. energy order. Rizzi came off an injury last year. Linda just thirteen and two thirds innings for the twins but his past makes him be a little more of an interest. That's for sure. Buster only had reported that the blue jays giants and mets have all shown interest in the veteran with a three point two year. Eight for two thousand fifteen twenty nineteen for the raise twins. There's also some hope and belief that the twins are trying to resign or is well and keep them in minnesota just like we said about the blue jays latte not a lot of payroll for the team moving forward. They recently signed robbie ray to a one year deal. They had jinro last year. Who was a candidate. So they're just looking to continue an add to their pitching staff. The giants try to be creative and add to their pitching staff as well. Along with the mets who you know they have jacob the grab they just got marcus stroman. Maybe a third name is something. They're really interested in in. We'll see what happens with syndergaard when he comes back trying to put together a very strong rotation it looks like so odor is he gonna be. That's going to grab a lot more attention especially with marcus stroman accepting that qualifying offer. I was surprised with them move. I did they was going to but at the same time i didn't know if he was going to get eighteen point nine more million or more per year so i'm sure he was just trying to play the money coming out of a pandemic but we'll see already an interesting name as the starting. Pitching market is strong towards the top as some of the passengers that we have seen there's also started to be some rumor that some potential chicago cubs players could be on the move. Now there's been conversations with other teams and it feels like and this is coming from buster only as well from espn that the cubs are to be a part of a turnover stage potentially and they're willing to move a lot of players and that comes to be interesting as in two thousand sixteen not too long ago. A lot of people were probably considering this core that they have to be the future the future and it's not looking like anybody's gettable that's-that's including heavier bias. That's including kris bryant. It's hard for me to say anthony rizzo but there's potential there and schwarzer control. There doesn't necessarily off the table. I don't know if i'd go as far as to say you darvish because that would have to be probably a pretty big hall coming back but it's there's potential it's it's feeling is right now. Is that the cubs are willing to listen for just about anybody. So that's something to look at moving forward. And i won't be surprised chris. Brian is definitely the that. I will not be surprised if he is moved this off season. Especially when you know that third base is not necessarily a great strength in the free agent market so something to definitely be watching we'll have to That goes in the future. More reports centered around the blue jays. They seem to be going whale hunting. And that i mean. They're going for elite players. They tapped into. What was the free agent market last year for jinro Talked about they made. Some trades at the trade deadline is last year. Ross stripling john. Walker jonathan vr. But it seems like they are going to continue to be an aggressive club and the quote cam from ross atkins blue jays general manager saying. It's really hard to acquire elite players. This is going to be another opportunity for us to do it. So basically the the major rumor. That's coming out right now. Is these blue jays. Watch out they might be more interested in things than you realize. And i'm just hoping they do. Make a big splash. I like to see teams. They're on the verge of something. Take that jump and try to build. And they really are one of those teams. That looks like things could be going that direction One last thing to really touch upon is we might have some moves coming for our american league champion tampa bay rays not too long ago. They were fighting for a world series. But now it's looking like in twenty twenty one tampa bay could look a little bit different so this story coming from mark topkin reporting that the rays missed out on some significant revenue this year. Not only playing games without fans during the regular season but also ten in quotes home postseason games that didn't have any type of attendance revenue and it looks like tampa bay is not going to get any really revenue sharing back compared to an annual basis. So general manager. Eric neander has said that the rays need to be flexible in their approach. This winter. And with that being said there's a look at some names and potentially could be on the move and this is more as trade candidates. So kevin kerr meyer center fielder levin point five million salary and twenty twenty one could be a potential name. Blake snell at ten point. Five million another potential name and to run a hunter renfrow. He is another name that was brought up. That potentially could be the move. So don't be surprised if we see some movement from tampa bay in some of these names especially when well. Let's look at the guys that we brought up before george springer. Trevor bauer if you miss out on the bauer market maybe blake. Snell is going to be the route you go. If you miss out on george springer maybe cure myers going to be the way that you go. There is potential that some teams are going to try to make some trades. And we've brought this up. And i i think this is important to bring up again is coming out of this pandemic season where money was lost and teams are going to be trying to make some of that up it will allow for the trade market for more guys to be available than we are probably discussing at the moment. There is the potential for a lot of other moves so don't be surprised if smaller market teams are looking to sell to cut some salary of guys just to try to make up some revenue that they might have lost in the past. I i don't really have a list of names for you that i'm going to throw at you but it's just. It's not something that i would be surprised about so just kind of keeping it in your brain if a big trade kinda comes our way be like That might make sense. They're trying to make up some potential loss money. It could be a big reason. It's a scary thing as a ban. You don't wanna hear that's why your team is moving a player but it's reality. It's the situation we're living in so don't be surprised necessarily if it does happen so that's just look into the offseason rumor mill. Some of the stuff we've been hearing as of recent days man they're exciting. They're exciting right now. They could make some moves hater. Talk i don't know i just. This is happening quite a bit. When you're a top end reliever you have some crazy value. We just haven't had the situation. Where the brewers have another guy right behind him. Who has shown to be almost just as valuable and i know. He doesn't have as much experience hater. But it shows a lot if it's coming out to be more willingness to listen this year so we'll see if anything else obviously comes to. Fruition will definitely be talking about it on here. Gmc baseball podcast. But we're going to take another quick break when we come back. We gotta talk about the hall of fame because this ballot this year. It's pretty interesting. I think this could be a big big year for the hall of fame especially for some players that have just been on the cusp of getting in. We'll talk about that coming real quick here on the gmc baseball podcast. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast narrower is here nothing less than our podcast blitz with endless hours of podcast covered from news sports music fashion hooking entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop located around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build. That podcast is whatever it may be visit. Www dot m. c. podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and google play Another year means another crop of players. Trying to ultimate league make themselves become hall of fame players in the mlb. Now we have very interesting year on the hall of fame ballot. Why because i ultimately feel a lot of these names that are joining aren't necessarily the big time guys that are going to be first ballot hall of famers that we're used to seeing and that brings me to the attention of look at the guys that were on the ballot in the past who has been there for a little while. The close on the cusp. Don't we have a few names. That have an interesting past as to why they potentially might not be in the hall of fame now so from what we have in the past years curt schilling roger clemens barry bonds kind of the leading candidates this year looking. Get into the hall of fame on the ballot and schilling was kind of our highest finisher last year as he was third behind. Derrick jeeter and larry walker with two hundred and seventy eight of three hundred ninety seven votes finishing at seventy percent and he was just twenty boats shy in balloting by the baseball writers association of america. Schilling is crazy close and in a year like we said we're we don't think a lot of these names are very exciting new ads onto the ballot. That almost works in his favor. A little bit along with clements and barry bonds now. Roger clements was at two hundred forty two votes for sixty one percent bonds. Two hundred forty one votes for sixty point seven percent so these guys are all relatively close relatively close and a year in which there's not as many exciting names could shift things for these guys that had that troubling past. And we're gonna talk about that a little bit more. Now you need seventy five percent which was two hundred ninety eight votes last year could be different this year. Seventy five percent is the threshold. That's what you need to make it now overwhelming favorites to make it before. They had any issues with steroids. It's going to be. Are these writers finally. Get to move past that now. Roger clements in the past denied using performance enhancing drugs. Barry bond says he's never knowingly ticket performance enhancing drugs and it's the biggest issue with a lot of these writers is just be ultimate lying shaming the game. I don't know sometimes if these guys would have just openly admitted to things how it would ever change their futures are how it would have changed things for them but the constant. Denial has definitely been something that baseball writers have not been a fan of and it's been held over their heads for a long time. I mean watch. What's what's happened with pete. Rose i mean he has been kept out from a scandal that had to do with gambling his entire career. Who knows if he'll ever make the mlb hall of fame. I don't think we'll even see him considered until he passes away. Unfortunately but it's it's similar situation now. These guys are running out of time on their ballots. they have ten seasons. And this is the ninth season for schilling clements in bonds. I have a feeling that a lot of these guys are going to get votes to be really close if they do not make it just based off the names that we're at it. I this this could be the year to push these guys over. And i stand in a position where yes performance. Enhancing drugs cheating issue cheating was an issue but ultimately these are guys that are a part of your history of the game and how you want to reflect them in the hall of fame. That's one thing but their career accomplishments in what they did. It's it's it's so hard to justify keeping these guys out. Same with pete. Rose i i have an issue with keeping them out when you know what they did for your game. Very bonzes statistics with the giants are absurd out of this world. And if you could justify to me keeping your all time home run leader out of the hall of fame with no positive for sure knowing of performance enhancing drugs i just. That's that's something i can't be aboard with. I really do think this is the year if there ever was one to push these three m and tell you what it would make for some interesting speeches and interesting ceremony to see this whole happen. That's for sure but we also have some other guys that we need to talk about. Omar vizquel was next in last year's value in two hundred nine votes for fifty two point six percent so he has a little bit that he has to make up as well moving forward. Some of the names that are coming in berry. Cto tim hudson mark burleigh. Aj brunette along with fielder. Torii hunter our some of our top newcomers. That are coming in some guys that are going to get some votes. But i don't know if i can confidently go in with some of these definitely guys. That had some strong stretches throughout their career. Which is important very important talk but their overall numbers sometimes are very convincing. Now barry zito being one for sure on that. I remember zito in a short stint with the giants but also his days with the oakland a.'s key looked great but his career numbers one sixty five and one forty three with a four point zero four ra and all of that included in the sense that he went twenty three and five and two thousand two. He had that dominant season and he still is almost a five hundred pitcher overall in his career. Now tim hudson is numbers. Look a little bit better. Two hundred twenty two wins hundred thirty three losses three point four nine era for oakland atlanta and san francisco. That one's a little bit more impressive for me. A little bit more impressive. He looked great. And if you're going to consider hudson you have to strongly consider mark burleigh. Who was fourteen in one sixty with a three point. Eight one era at perfect game for the white sox in his career no hitter. He has strong strong things going for him for all that he did for the chicago. White sox aj burnett wants sixty four one. Fifty seven is a no hitter in his career. For the marlins. He's similar to me with zito. I i have some on memories of some great types of great years he had but ultimately it's just doesn't feel like his career numbers are hall of fame worthy on the guy that i'm really torn is torii hunter I nine time gold glove center. Fielder so i. I really think his defensive. His defensive accolades are something that needs to be talked about in his often case. Quick bit to seventy seven batting average two thousand four hundred fifty two hits three hundred fifty. Three home runs thousand. Three hundred ninety. Rbi's i don't know if he's going in this year i don't think he is but we're definitely talking about him a lot. At least going forward some other holdovers that are coming in andy pettitte. Billy wagner todd helton jeff kent scott rolen bobby abreu. Andrew jones manny ramirez. Gary sheffield in sammy sosa again. I- sosa is getting really knocked on the performance. Enhancers and barry bonds is not quite there yet. So if we don't see those top three guys in chile clements in bonds pushed through guys like sammy sosa. Just aren't gonna stand a chance not gonna stand a chance getting in there and again. He's a lot of fond memory guys in we might see some jumps with some of these players. Todd helton is going to be interesting being a longtime great rocky. We're gonna see many beers. How his full career is looked at these guys. Get interesting so we'll see if there's any major jumps for them in votes this year some other newcomers that we have not really crazy excited about any of these guys really this year. We'll see if they even stay on the ballot. Pass this year dan. Herron truly hawkins rama's ramirez michael kc. Nick swisher and shane victorino. I i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those guys kinda get off and we don't see on the ballot anymore so it's something to be watched now. The voting is going to be announced january. Twenty six so. We have quite a bit of time until that gets here. Anyone elected will be into the hall of fame on july twenty fifth along with derek. Jeeter and larry walker because those those were postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic. So we're going to add those two names on top of ballots by all members of the baseball writers association of america for ten consecutive years. Or more they have to be postmarked by december thirty first to be counted and i just am really hopeful that this is the year that we start pushing some of these guys through i i sit here and i just continue to be bothered how we keep some guys out in scandal when we don't have complete certainty and we're gonna talk about it a little bit more in the next segment as well as some of these players they were included on the mitchell report or any other speculation. They just didn't stand a chance and a small part of me feels like in recent years. How the baseball hall of fame sneaks in players from the past. That weren't necessarily going to make the hall of fame regardless. But we have this new rule that we can kind of delegate. A player in. I just don't want that to become the reason that guy like barry bonds makes the hall of fame. We have a bunch of writers in the future that go on man whose guys numbers were too good. When all the raiders. Now know what he meant to the game of baseball. Some of the most exciting years exciting gabes came with these players. Baseball was revived with a lot of these guys in. You're supposed era steroids. But don't matter whether or not you let these guys into the hall of fame. Your history does not disappear. These games will not go away. These memories will not fate. I just feel like it's very petty. Move selfish move to not include these guys in the hall of fame just because you're not happy with them of their potential line which some of them. You still don't know the truth so let's just be careful with what we're doing here. The hall of famous meant for our best players of all time. Let's use it as such. Just move on and just move on. But that's kind of my thought. Hey i don't get a hall of fame vote so ultimately if i did my vote. Ballot would look a lot different than i imagined some of the older writers. And that's where kind of a lot of concern is but we'll see we'll see i could be wrong. I could very much be wrong. They could surprise me this year. I'm really hopeful that they do really hopeful. So we'll see where it goes from there. We're gonna check back in on that. One probably around january twenty six and we'll see where that ends up going but we are gonna take one last break we come back. I wanna talk about some of the best players that are in the baseball hall of fame. Not by and talk a lot of these guys cover as many as we can. Some of them are going to be holdovers from team. But still it's a flood conversation to be had. And i'm ready to have it here on the gmc baseball podcasts. Want to know the latest and soccer. The listen to the golden state media concept soccer podcast from mls is the world the premier league we've got you covered the latest. Update the hottest matches news on the league's top players. It's the golden state media concepts soccer. Podcasts google listen. I have my guys that i had to really talk about. That really bothered me. That are not in the baseball hall of fame and now i have to be honest. I'm gonna try to move on to it and keep it and keep it clean and let it be the past and just see how the results become out but tell you what if it. It's more of the same coming up to our next boating being total i might have a rancher to coming coming your way. So let's let's hope that doesn't happen. Because i know that's not the great podcast. Everyone wants to listen to. But i wanna take time to talk about some of the best players on each team that are currently not in the hall of fame so recently be dot com. Came up with a fun article that had to cover a lot of these guys that have not made the hall of fame and this is a mixture of three things basically looking at all these players that are just not playing at the moment. now there's some that are not yet on the ballot so some of these names that i'm going to give you. Their time hasn't come yet. They have a great chance of eventually making hall of fame so they could get there but still we're going to include them. We have some currently on the ballot. So don't surprise there. You're gonna hear some names that we've already talked about and then some that are no longer on the ballot and it was kind of surprised just going through some of these. How you're already done. You've already had your chance and it's gone so we're to talk about this. We got all thirty teams. Try to move through this quickly as again. Some of them are repeats because they've played on multiple teams but also try to give some key facts for all these guys. We're going to start things off with the american league east with the blue jays. Their big guy being gave skype right handed pitcher his time. He's already done on the ballot. Fun factory hit. He was the all time leader in wins for. The blue jays starts and innings. Now this is a guy that a lot of blue bluejays fans appreciate but he may not necessarily be the guy that everyone else knows in the mlb but hey seven time all star one hundred seventy five games blue jays one of the most dominant starters for them in their history so lot of sustained success looking at him not as much piece of greatness but he is someone that was a great player for them. Throw his career so exciting. One there for the blue jays for the baltimore orioles. There's nobody else that we need to bring up here that mr rafael palmeiro. Who is another one of our guys. That's really snubbed. From this list. He's one of six major leaguers with at least three thousand career. Hits five hundred home runs only six that have that. He is not your hall of fame and his ballot while he's done already eason coop not in cooperstown because of his legacy being tied to omit the mitchell report. He fell on hall of fame balance because of those ties to performance enhancing drugs. And it's unfortunate because he is one of the all-time great bats that we have seen one of the few that i remember when i was younger watching coming up a lot. We'll see if he's one of those guys get sneaked in later but ruffea palmero his time on the bell. It seems to be done. The tampa bay. Rays fred mcgriff. The crime dog five time all star three time silver slugger award winner in a world series champion. Finish his career with two thousand four hundred ninety eight thousand hundred ninety. Three home runs also not on the ballot anymore. Just not a lot of all time. Great raise he was on that inaugural raise team played with the franchise from nineteen ninety. Eight to two thousand one very productive player. Thirty two home runs posting a nine fifty. Seven will be thirty five years old in nineteen ninety nine produce for a long long time was productive for nineteen years was on the ballot for ten years. Didn't get enough votes to get in unfortunate one for mr three guys. Three guys are ready that just their time was on. The ballot wasn't able to get in but our next guy here for the boston. Red sox i don't see how he does get in. David ortiz not yet been on the ballot one of four players all time with five hundred homers and six hundred doubles is are all time greatest at this point. I don't think there's been a better age in their career rare player and he ended his career with a season that was just showed how a hitter he could be twenty sixteen at forty years. Ol- lead the majors in doubles slugging. Ps he's gonna be on the ballot next year. It's going to be his first time. He's obviously going to make it. It's all going to come down to a first ballot or not. It's it's it doesn't get much better than david ortiz he. He is a big breezy. As to why the red sox franchise made a turn in once a championships. He is a face a boston. That is just legendary. And i can't imagine him possibly not being in the hall of fame and next what up for the yankees else rodriguez. He has six hundred ninety. Six career home runs fourth all time twenty two year career. Only behind barry bonds hank aaron babe ruth for home runs three times aol. Mvp three thousand hits fourteen time all star ten time silver slugger two time gold glove. Career numbers are phenomenal. Should be in hall of fame. No question alex rodriguez going to be one of those guys should be first-ballot should be and he will be on the ballot for the first time in twenty twenty two. So that one's easy he's able to just move on from that one moving to the central cleveland indians. Kenny lofton seven players. All time have six hundred steals in one hundred home runs. Kenny lofton's i just can't think of ninety speed without thinking of those indians teams to for a long stretch. Were fun a lot of fun and kenny. Lofton was a big reason. Why i think about all the video games. Were head kenny lofton. I just loved having him leadoff spot. I would still buffer for hits. There is speed was just so much fun to play with. It was kenny. Lofton and juan pierre. Those are my guys that used for speed and a lot of any against never forget it. The kansas city royals frank white second basement. Five all star games it gold glove awards is just one of the greatest defensive second baseman. And that's how he's really remembered recently. Alex gordon tied him with eight gold gloves for the royal. So really shows a lot especially considering how great a defender. Alex gorge truly was for the royals for the detroit. Tigers lou whitaker nineteen seventy-eight. Al rookie of the year winner five all star selections. Three gold gloves. Four silver sluggers. He is someone that's some his numbers. Just don't look that amazing over his entire career but it was just a steady player in all he just one of three second baseman thousand runs thousand. Rbi's two dozen. It's two hundred home runs. And the other to rogers hornsby joe morgan. They're both in the hall of fame. Lou iger. You might be one of those guys that sneaks in later as well would be surprised for the minnesota twins. Mr joe mauer not quite eligible but he will be eligible on the twenty twenty. Four ballot has some years to go but this is a guy for the twins and has a good chance to probably make cooperstown concussion. Issues were always a thing for him at some issues but ofensive stats over a fifteen year career. When he was at his peak he was the catcher in baseball. Is the sweet pretty stroke of a swing from our and that's just not something you forget faces the twins for a long time most likely gonna be a hall of famer as well for the white sox minnie. Minoso played seventeen seasons. Here's the crazy thing across five different decades. This is a great player. That was not in the hall of fame. A lot of people clamoring for him he logged up bats at nineteen sixty four at age. Thirty eight in one thousand nine hundred seventy six h fifty in nineteen eighty at age. Fifty four this. That is just incredible. Fun stuff talk about. Unfortunately his time on the ballot is done as well but still fun all the same the al west the angels they have bobby greenwich second baseman. Ten of his seventeen. Season the majors with angels six-time all-star four time gold winner. One time silver slugger pretty solid second. Basement seventy-one war during his career eighth all time. Second baseman puts him ahead of a lot of other hall of famers. So he's someone definitely be considered. Maybe for a late addition leader for the houston astros lance berkman fifty two batting war i among all switch hitters with fewer than nineteen hundred games played. He did have his time on. The ballot didn't get enough votes. Only one point two percent in his first year. Got some good counting stats. It was a big part. The astros for a long stretch played fifteen seasons to ninety three batting average for twenty two doubles. Three hundred. Six runs twelve hundred. Rbi nine forty-three. Ps twenty fifth in major league baseball history. I was really surprised with how many how few votes he got his first year. I have to say that's definitely one that didn't see coming for the oakland a.'s. I don't think there's any surprise here. Mark maguire eleventh all time and all of his career home runs at five eighty three. But we know the history. We know what he was to baseball in the nineties in and we just got a documentary about him in sosa. How big they were. Another one of guys called into question because performance enhancing drugs and all of his dominance really got called out because of it. So it's just as ten years of coming on the only way that would happen that he come back. It'd be a selection through the today's game committee so another name another day and then it's going to be on that will add you in later. Lists which something that's still bothers me seattle mariners. There's a repeat for you guys. Get to be. Alex rodriguez well. You can't forget him. Yes he had a great time with the mariners but you know him in the mariners where it all started those were some fun teams for a long time when it was young young young era. So gotta give him for the mariners as well. The texas rangers the best third baseman adrian. Beltway just consistency. This guy played for ever. What a seven players all time with. Four hundred fifty home runs and six hundred dollars doubles. He should make it to the hall of fame. Eligible and twenty twenty four. Just retired two years ago and he's another one that's going to be interesting potentially being a first ballot then an offensive presence for a long time long long time and military was just beloved in the mlb so it could see him definitely moving in for the national league east. Will the braves deal murphy two time. Mvp award winner seven time all star four time silver slugger five time. Gold glove winner murphy. Along with roger marris the only players should not have been elected to the hall of fame after winning consecutive. Mvp awards. There's a staff rate there the end of the nineteen eighty seven season thirty-one-year-old murphy at three hundred ten homers. Eight sixty two bs. He's got some fun steady numbers. It's just bad. Knees struggled over his final six years. That's gonna be the thing that ultimately hurt him but deal murphy. His time has come and gone at that. Might be another guy who was a late addition. The marlins gary sheffield still currently on the ballot. Five hundred nine home runs and it's hard for these guys that are five hundred homers guys. That's something pretty big in your career and it is time with the marlins sheffield batted pretty well to eighty eight hundred twenty. Two of his home runs three hundred. Eighty rbi's his batting stances. The thing that's just hall of fame where for me out. You cannot tell me as a kid at least in my age. My demographic at some point you did not go up takes a batting practice mess around and not mimic gary sheffield can can we have a batting stance hall of fame. Can we we start putting that together because that's for sheffield first ballot. That's where he needs to go in right away. Stay in the east mets keith hernandez first baseman eleven time gold glove award winner his average all right to ninety six hundred sixty two home runs. He did do a lot at the plate. That hit okay. Average wise those gold glove at eleven on them over seventeen seasons. That's just steady defense. And that's gonna get you some looks some boats right there by itself for the nationals. Jeffrey reardon from nineteen seventy ninety. Four e close out games for the national. I guess say the expos played for the expos from eighty one eighty six as well. As the mets twins red sox braves reds and yankees. Three hundred sixty seven career saves ten. Mlb history but his time has gone as well. He's no longer on the ballot when we look at the total last one elise phillies dick allen first basement. He earned the nineteen sixty four hour rookie of the year nineteen seventy-two vp. Seven all star selections. This is going to be another legacy type of guy if he ever gets there but a fun old name for the philadelphia phillies l. Central start with the brewers. See so cooper he as a guy that kinda gets thrown to the back plan with robin paul molitor but he batted two ninety eight first career. Five all star teams three silver sluggers to gold gloves. Two hundred hits three times top five in the al mvp balloting three times so he has some great accolades to his name but might just not be enough to push him in. He was only in one year on the ballot his career and that was in nineteen ninety-three and dropped off after that so it was a short run there for seasonal cooper for the cardinal scott. Rowland he still on. The ballot is fourth time steadily rising. He's thirty five percent last year. Seventy two seventeen point to the year before in ten point two the year before that. So we're going to see client. He's going to be one of those interesting ones over ten years. If we actually see him get in and maybe this year with some stubborn voters that he makes the jump role. It's gonna be a guy to watch that's for sure moving forward for the chicago cubs. Hey similar to mark mcgwire. Sammy sosa only player will be history. Hit sixty plus home runs. Three seasons sky was the definition of power slamming. Sammy sosa another one. We talked about sheffield batting. Stance didn't do the sammy sosa. Hop when you hit one pretty well every now and then i mean that's just that's just fun in the game as a kid. That's something you remembered you. Don't let go his. He's still on the ballot. So there's still that opportunity but with some of the other guys that get the votes. It's hard to see that he will as well for the pirates buried bonds most runs in. Mlb history seven sixty two and he has a chance to get off this list. We talked about. It is both vote. Didn't go up much. He was fifty nine percent two years ago. Sixty percent last year. But there's hope there's hope with this year that this could be the one for him to get in cincinnati reds. No shock here. Pete rose all time leader in hits four thousand two hundred fifty six games played and at bats this. This is the one in the hall of fame debate and he would have been at cooperstown long ago if he had not been banned for betting on games and the mlb has no say voting process. This is all writers but once that happened it seems pretty clear that he was going to be ineligible for is ability to be inducted hall of fame but i said before i have a feeling that once he passes away. We're going to start talking about him. He's going to be a legacy guy. There's potential there the national league west curt schilling d-box. We talked about him. A little bit already disagreed stat for him to point three nine hundred career. Postseason starts two point zero six and seven world series out ex so schilling great regular season numbers dominant postseason as well something that i'll never forget as a red sox fan. We don't forget the bloody sock. That's that's huge. The dodgers were also gonna put. Aj trade for them as well repeats coming in here as well as the giants is. We have barry bonds. I mean come on too much sense for the pirates you gotta have him for the giants is well padres. We also have gary sheffield for this one now. He only had two seasons san diego but they were two of the best seasons of his career. Nineteen ninety-two almost at a batting triple crown. Thirty three runs three thirty batting average. He is still the only padre not named tony gwynn to win a bad crop so he his short stint with san diego it was a meaningful stint. It was a meaningful one. And then one guy that we mentioned before todd held for the rockies one of eight players time with at least three hundred fifty homers and three fifteen batting average number seventeen seventeen year career all with the rockies and it was a great one now some people are going to talk about hey when he bat and colorado he thinks should be better for you but hanes sustainability also kind of matters so and impressive. Impressive run for helm another guy that you hope makes these on the ballot. We'll see what happens within this year. We'll see what happens. So that's our list best players on each team still not hall of fame. Some have a chance. Still some not on the ballot. Some time has come and gone but still all the same to revisit. It talk about so that's going to be for me here on this episode of the gmc. Baseball podcasts want to thank you again for tuning in and listening in means a great deal that you take an opportunity to have us be a part of your day. If you have that opportunity it would love to see if you can leave a positive review for the podcast. Something you want us to cover whether it be the off season happening or the hall of fame or anything baseball period. We love to talk about it in anything that comes from you guys only help us make the show better so wanna thank you one last time for tune in signing off this is commonly here on the gmc baseball. Podcast on the gmc podcast network. You've been listening to the golden state media concepts baseball. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1535: Leave Me Out, Coach

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1535: Leave Me Out, Coach

"Long Good morning and welcome to episode fifty thirty five of effectively wild. The baseball PODCAST ON FAN WRAPS DOT COM brought to you by our Patriot. Supporters on Sam Miller of ESPN. Along with. Ben Lindbergh Ringer and with us. Today is Andy Mcculloch National Baseball writer at the athletic in the hello. Hey what's up guys much? We're going to be chatting with our Palley Andy about an article that ESPN RUST. Dodd composed about the best baseball songs. Ever an article that I didn't expect to enjoy and I did. You were clearly not an athletic commenter. Big comments are a bit. I assume we will spend more time on the comments than me. Well maybe maybe on the articles before we get to that though Two things two articles that have been published on the Internet that I have things I want to mention about. One is an article I wrote. It was inspired. It was prompted by instigated by an email from listener. Mark who discovered this odd factoid. On in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy Don Mattingly Card and wanted me to investigate it and so I did. I'm very proud of how that one turned out and I hope you'll check it out that's up at. Espn right now. But in the process of investigating this mystery I got the privilege of talking to a bunch of people who were in the baseball card industry in the late eighties and early nineties. Which is when I was an avid baseball card collector. Pretty I mean I probably would say an obsessive baseball card collector. My number one hobby was collecting baseball cards. My number two hobby was sorting baseball cards. And so I talked to this Guy Phil Carter. Who was the the sports editor basically for tops at the time so fill is the I who produced these cards? These sets of baseball card so every year new set would come out and I'd be I'd go buy packs for a year and get thousands of those cards and stare at them in memorizing and then sort them and of course people were producing those. I never really thought about it. But people were producing those those cards and talking to fill Carter. I was surprised to say was a very profound and somewhat nerve making experience. I felt like I was talking to a bona fide celebrity in my life in my childhood. A person who had a huge impact in my life and now if. I talked to a baseball player. I do not feel that way even though they're famous and very successful if I even were to talk to a baseball player who was huge in my childhood. I don't think I would really care. I don't think I'd have any particular emotion about it. Even if it was like Willie mays. I don't think I'd really care that much. I might just think Willie mays that's going to be good content but Phil Carter. I was totally moved by talking to fill Carter so I wanted to ask each of you. I assume each of you as also somewhat numb to the experience of talking to ballplayers but is there anybody in the in the game in the sport in the any any aspect of the sport that you think you were to interview them you would actually feel a little bit a sweaty palms. I think I've had that experience with some people and I think it's generally writers right. It's writers I really admire 'cause that's what we do and so maybe we admire them because we aspired to be writers. I didn't really aspire to be a baseball player. I know you did at one point but I think for me. It was when I met Roger Angel which happened on two occasions and neither time did I feel like I really nailed it or somehow conveyed. How much I care about. Roger Angell in a way that would somehow cut through the decades and decades of accolades. He has received in the people who've come up to him and said I love your work. I doubt I made an impression and he will always remember the thing that I said the compliment. I said but I walked up to him once at Yankee Stadium when he was there for. Dirk eaters last game and I was reading about it too and just of accosted him and said something awkward. 'cause it was one of those things where. I didn't have anything to say really but I just felt like I would kick myself later if I didn't say something so I just kind of went up to him and said Hey I really like you and I don't know exactly what I said but that's what it adapted to. I didn't have some profound observation about his work. I didn't have a favorite passage that no one else ever quotes and I read it back to him and he said yes. That's the best sentence I've ever written and no one else has recognized that that was the pinnacle of my power. So nothing memorable happen and then another time. I met him at this Coffee Club. He belongs to this like private club. That my great uncle also belongs to and so I went and it was like a watch party for Thelma and Louise for something. They did do movies. And this is the most like Old New York Shit. Good Yeah and so it was felt that is Roger. Angell really likes Thelma and Louise so he was giving some introductory remarks about the movie and then we put the movie on and he got very upset during the movie because the screen was too dark and it was very dark like they close the blinds and everything but it was still very hard to see and specially in the indoor scenes. You just couldn't see anything and so I just watched the whole movie with Roger Angelique muttering that how it was too dark beings annoyed that you you can actually see the movie. So he wasn't in the best mood that I would up to and after just Said something innocuous I think again I failed to say anything memorable or insightful so this was a specifically a social club so unlike yes he stadium where you're a fan of costing him in this case he is there to be greeted by others. Who were there sort of like? He's a member of this and he. It's it's like A. I don't know like Gentleman's Club. It's not just for gentlemen. I don't think not gentleman's club and at the not that kind but you know like one of those old school clubs where you go to sit and read books and have liquor served to them and slow burlesque with Roger Louise's rated R. So you and Roger Angell. We're watching adult movie anyway. It's Something he belongs to and I don't but I had basically like a guest pass because my great uncle coast there and so I think it's not the type of place where you are generally accosted by fans who are just eager to greet you because it's maybe kind of go to do that at this club because there are probably other literary figures there and They probably don't want fence coming up to them all the time and expressing their admiration. But I kind of broke that rule cause a train show so anyway I've tried to formally interviewed him a couple of times cooking on this podcast and that hasn't worked out but I have Talked to him twice and it was. If anything embarrassing for both of us you also wanted to get him to blurb our book and our editor said. We were not allowed to reach out to him. What is that true? I thought we were happy. Our editor told us to come up with a list of people that we would like to to reach out to for blurbs and basically said you there are two tiers here there. You're the ones that you actually have a relationship with them. And then like the moon shots and they said you can only we will only allow you to reach out to one moonshot. Because there's something like there's I don't know I guess there's something sort of transactional in the requests for blurbs and they don't WanNa like have they they basically don't want every author asking Michael Lewis. 'cause THEY WANNA have like. Were still cool vibe with Michael Lewis and so they only let us reach out to one and Roger. Angel was not the one but I think ben secretly had like a courier service. Deliver the book I I somehow conveyed a copy to it. I think it may have been through my great uncle. I think he just handed off a coffee at the club when he was there. By the way Wikipedia Page for gentlemen's Club a gentleman's Club is a private social club. Originally set up by four British upper class men in the eighteenth century and popularized by English. Upper class men and women in the late. Nineteenth Century and early twentieth century. Clearly the primary meaning of Gentlemen's Club. All Right I went to gentlemen's Club Dot Com and it immediately. I SORTA got. It sent me to chatter Bait Dot Com. So I think might be wrong but I can't top that but I can try. I once followed Gary Smith into a bathroom because I thought it was him and it was. This was like right after I I graduated from college and I was working at the Star Ledger. And it was in the two thousand nine world series when the and I was writing sidebars when the Yankees were playing the Phillies and Gary Smith had lived in Philadelphia for a long time and he had been. I guess he was getting started on some of the work related to well. I guess I don't know he was just there for the world series or whatever and I saw him in the press box because that Gary Smith Gary Smith doesn't show up and press boxes and so I just teams like walking away so I just kept following him until he just walked into the bathroom and I was like well. I'll just go wash my hands or something and so I didn't say anything to him until a couple of years later when I met him but I went with a good line. I said you probably don't hear this very often. But I'm a big fan of your work. And he smiled and chuckled. He's a very nice man. Did you tell him you had previously followed him into a bathroom. No that seems like maybe a third conversation type thing. I do think I would get a little nervous if I was talking to like Hank Aaron or Willie mays or Sandy Koufax but I like maybe once a year I write about poker and I end up talking to poker players. Poker's like my number one hobby and I'm not very good at it but I always find myself like stretching my own potent Like just trying to show them that. I know what I'm talking about. So they don't treat me like a rube but it just sounds so embarrassing. It'd be like do you play poker all like Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah Man. Yeah I'm pretty. I'm planning to five five game at the bike. And they're like Oh that's cool. I play one hundred two hundred so I so embarrassed like my interviews with poker players are on the one hand fastening listen back to because I feel. I'm just like enraptured. By everything they're saying I find it so interesting and just impossibly cringe e hearing my own questions so yeah all right okay. Good answered that one would be together. When you talk to Phil Carter. Yeah he was great. He was a fantastic interview. So Dave Jameson had written the book that I mentioned recently a mint condition which is about the baseball card industry. And particularly during the junk whack era and he had had a a line in there mentioned that tops like basically wouldn't comment on anything because like they're kind of a famously closed off company and their line to him with something like you know we might want to write a book someday to you know and so I was sort of. This was a top baseball card and I was kind of expecting to get nowhere with tops employees and then I just Cold called Phil Carter in. He like gave me two hours dolman all sorts of of of great junk so he was great. It's fantastic the other article on the Internet. Is that Pedro Hedera. Maura author of the sack of flour article at the athletic that we had talked about the secondary aspect of that article that he had discovered the roaming chicken in the same game and Pedro solved the mystery of the chicken as well which is Great. Great article will link to it and you should read it and you know. He talks the person who smuggle the chicken and describes how the chicken with smuggled in and all of that and it's great but I just think that the lead is fantastic. I'm going to read the lead of this article. It's like the first like five paragraphs basically on September fourth nineteen seventy-one nineteen year old. Charlie Roberts invited a young woman on a date to dodger stadium. A group of his buddies from his hometown plan to sit in the right field. Bleachers that night but Robert's thought better of subjecting bonding to his friends one of them. A nineteen year old named Paul Eldridge was planning to unleash a rooster onto the outfield so Robertson. Bonnie drove and sat separately from the rest of the redlands crew. That evening was going. Well when Roberts decided in the bottom of the fifth to try to impress his date by alerting her that something wild was about to happen from their loge seats down the third base line. He pointed toward the outfield. Where eldridge had dropped the rooster below the wall just then a massive sack of flour fell from the night sky on the infield leaving players shaken on the field a plume of smoke in the air and confusion in the stands. How did you know that was going to happen? Robert's date passage shock. He didn't he said he told her to look to where the rooster was. They did not go on many more dates. It's like it really. You could imagine feeling like you were in assimilation. If those two things showed up so precisely as page recounts I mean and there had been a chicken four innings earlier in the game that would have made for a weird night at the park but the fact that they came so coincidentally is some like you know opening opening sequence in Magnolia. Sort of a vibe. Yeah imagine being upstaged like that you smuggle in a rooster very that you fail. I CA- five-hour falls from the sky. Yeah I'd feel so cheated furious right. We're GONNA talk about music here. Andy and rust and dodd who is also at the athletic wrote a list of the thirty greatest baseball songs of all time and I'll spoil the ending which a lot of people were shocked by that they were not reading a twenty nine song build up to center field at number one but in fact. Centerfield is no are on the list. I want to talk about the concept of baseball songs. And how you guys came up with this list and what standards you used to decide. Where songs would break. Because there's a real definitional problem here not not problem but challenge not just with the word baseball songs but also with the word greatest which you can see. There's A. There's some sort of inconsistency from sauna song and I wondered how you guys square that but let's just I talk about Centerfield. You're accused in the comments by the way if you WanNa know the demographic of your readers this is a great exercise because I'm sure that we all think that we're writing for people who are kind of like us kind of our age kind of cool like us. If we imagine that we we we have a sort of an ideal guys who follow with a exactly and then you bring those articles and then you read this article on you realize that you know. We're all every baseball writer. Every baseball writer is like writing for eighty percents boomers and they all came out to yell at for disrespecting John Fogerty. Yeah actually that was the point. You just made is an editor at the Casey. We're asking the exact same point to me. And she said something to the effect of you know one of the big challenges of our jobs as I just never know who were writing for. And she was like well. Now I know like now now we have a really good idea who reads our site I have to say. I've read many athletic articles a subscriber. I've met many of yours and almost unfailingly. I will see that some of the comments say this is why I subscribed to go on this. And we're for having the nicest comments. I have a running thread on slack with a colleague where we just exchange these very happy athletic subscribers. Who just can't step saying that. This is exactly where they subscribe. Because we just can't believe like I edited baseball perspective. Sam Did too and we had great commenters. But I don't recall seeing that often that commenters would say this article justifies my subscription and yet every other athletic says that we've speculated are they are. They stuffing the ballot box. Here they somehow having fake commenters saying that. This is way that this justifies the subscription. Anyway I see that all over the place I think. This is the first athletic article where I've seen the opposite in the comments. There's definitely been some other ones with. This was definitely the one with the lowest stakes. This was the this is the one that seemed to upset people for for no real reason like we were making a big point. We just you know that song just sucks. I'll ask how much of your motivation for. This ranking was a big reveal at the end of trolling everyone centerfield. So you guys aren't going to believe this because I don't believe this. I don't even think we had a conversation about it. Like we started talking about this maybe a week or two before came out rust and sent me a tax. You know something defective like we were in contact all the time. Just you know talking about whatever and he was like you know it'd be like a like a stupid idea for a story but maybe could work like. Why don't we like rank the best baseball songs and I was like. Yeah whatever okay because like you know these are I mean this in the non sort of like in the? Obviously we're all exceedingly fortunate to be in the position. Where are they were able to work from home? And you know our health is we're not having to put ourselves at risk professionally and all this stuff all the necessary caveats but like these are desperate times in terms of trying to come up with story ideas you know. It's not easy so like you kind of have to you know. Throw some shit against the wall and see what sticks and this was definitely you know this was Russ's idea like hey you know we should wish ranked songs like okay. Yeah well let's let's do it and you know. He came up with the initial master list of like. I don't know maybe like sixty or something like that. And we kind of started paring it down and I don't even think and we did a lot of this over tax. I think maybe one of US texted the other. Like Yeah Centerfield socks leave it off and then just like moved on. Didn't think about it at all like there was no like Whoa we might get some blowback or like do you think we should put in a caveat or man I think like maybe we should let people know it was just like that song sucks like whatever and then the the story came out and it was just like you know chaos. Yeah I mean Ben Gabbard from death cab. Put It on instagram and congratulated us on graduate level. Trolling Vitriol in there. Which which lake. I guess like that is the best kind of trolling when you just do it like naturally. That's that's actual. Trolling is when you're not doing it on purpose. Maybe but yeah like it. Our motivation wasn't to talk about like. How centerfield sucks just kind of like? We're trying to come up with a story idea and we both liked the mountain. Goats was Centerfield. One of the sixty. I think so. Yeah but it was but then we're like yeah that's all. That's all sucks. Do you think if you had done the top sixty would it have made it probably put? Yeah but it also it would have been like number fifty seven and people would have been like mad about that. A lot of people were mad. Though that you didn't even mention that it was an omission. Like think I think if we could do it over again. There were two things that I would do over again. I would probably have another Steve Goodman Song thing. It's called like a a a dying last wish or whatever which is actually a really good song and we just. Yeah we if that one we should have included it We already had go cubs go because I didn't go cubs go whips. Ask but whatever and then we probably just should have put in like a note about center field so it didn't seem like that was the whole point of the story was not have it you know and I don't know we probably could've would've pointed out that rusted and I both at different times covered the Kansas city royals and before every spring training game at surprise stadium they play Centerfield and it causes some serious. You know like negative memories Every time I hear those compress drums. That's the thing I think I feel the same way about Centerfield and we talked about this thing because I remember saying that it's overplayed and I'm sick of it and I don't really like it and didn't you sort of defend it because I mean I think if we could all just have the the neuromancer from men in black and here Centerfield for the first time we would probably say that's a pretty good song I mean it's catchy certainly book and it's not good. It's weird phrasing. It's awkwardly. Some of the lyrics are awkward. But if I could forget the fact that I've heard it at every ballgame into and it's been seared into my brain and I'm sick of it and it never wanna hear it again. I think it would at least be in my top. Thirty eight probably. I'm going to answer that but I I would like to say I'm reading the comments in full. And here's a great comment. Very incomplete list. How about take me out to the ballgame sure of the actual title but it's Baseball's anthem Sung it most baseball game. Seventh-inning stretch andy off what has guided by voices when you could take me out to the ball game or whatever it's actual title is. I got an incredible. Dm from Yeah by the way. What would it what what is actual title be? That's a good question of what you know but I got an incredible. Dm from From Riley Breckenridge of Thrice and productive outs who said You should do a follow up story. The worst songs about baseball. That's just Centerfield and take me out to the ball game Which would I mean that would have been you know. That's graduate level trolling I guess. Yeah Yeah I kind of feel like a lot of the reason that people hate centerfield is the repetition like Ben says. I also feel like it's partly because of all the artists on this list. John Fogarty is the best artist. He would be the single best artist on this list if he had written a baseball song. Well okay except I guess Paulsen on their on their not to be super sports writer e but like springsteen's good all right but but still. Thirty isn't Alzheimer's Fogarty. Certainly one of the thirty best guys who's ever written a song about baseball. I feel like the fact that this is. He's probably five or whatever anyway. I'm kind of the fact that it's the. It's a nineteen eighties production by a great artist. From you know like a great recording. Artists gives it a cheese factor. That if were written by you know some somebody else on here like Terry cashman friends. I mean let's be honest. You have number three is talking. Baseball by Terry listened nine nine. The talking. Baseball is a good song. I Sang Terry. Cashman wrote a novelty song. There's a line I was reading about this. And there's a line in the Terry Cashman wikipedia page. While the song is well recognized today. It was all but ignored by typical top forty radio during its chart light. Yeah it's a trash song. I like it. It's sort of cute and it hums but it's not a good song right like if John Fogerty had written both Centerfield and talk in baseball. We would hate talking baseball anymore. Now that's been. We hate centerfield talking baseball. It's endlessly adaptable. So you get talking tough on the team specific versions of talking baseball so everyone gets their version. You have you ever. You've never heard put me in coach. I'm ready to play second base. They've got one for every position ready. I can be second base offense tackle raw elda every sport so fascinating yuck inflating. John fogarty's incredible output with this garbage song. No no no no. I'm saying that it is the fact that we know that John Fogerty is way better than this that we are angry that this song exists as arguably most recognizable and played song. And so it's like everybody's like Bob. Dylan's very lucky that he wrote catfish in nineteen seventy five and not one thousand nine hundred eighty five because whatever production was happening to Bob Dylan. Music in. Nineteen eighty-five would have also been like all time bad and yet the cords would be the same and there is a hook in that song. I don't hate it although I hated a lot more now than I did the first time I heard it. It's not a song that I'm dying to hear again. So this goes to the question part of the question to which is. Did you and rust in have any conversation about the value of the song versus the actual connection to baseball. 'cause like talking baseball again not a good song exactly but it is very much about baseball and other songs on here are good songs. And they're not at all about this Miller. Baseball movie applied to music. Yeah like the Strokes. Song in here is not about the mets at all. It's just called to the mets and there is nothing about baseball in it at all. Fall out boy. Song has absolutely nothing. The lyrics of the lyrics do not include the title as a baseball title. You have the Konya Song Barry Bonds which is just a pun on the word hit in. That's it that's the exergen tire use of baseball. And that sort of a challenge. I mean really the number one song. The John Darnell song is cubs and five. And that's one line about baseball. Now I will say that. It is by far the best line like Musically the high point of that song is when when he says Chicago. You know so it is. I think that qualified I think all these qualified but I'm just wondering if if this was like kind of like there were two inputs and you tried to some the inputs so like better song but less baseball or or worse song but lots of baseball did. Did you talk about that? I suppose I could give a long answer kind of unwinded but no I mean we try. Yeah like we didn't. We didn't really think about it on like a Meta textual level. I guess it was more baseball ker so like I was talking to feel Supreme Court definition of pornography. A couple of days before this ran. I had actually been having a conversation with Patrick Dubuque. Who was talking about how there are no good baseball songs? And that is always Baffled him and so he wrote he wrote. I can't figure out why this would be if Sufiane Stevens can write a song about Ad Stevenson. I feel like someone in twenty twenty could sit down for a couple of hours and put together something about Lou Whitaker and Alan. Trammell is take me out to the ball game so definitive piece of music. That other baseball songs have to sound like it or is it just that lyrically sports don't fit into the way most people right. I'm trying to think about sport songs in general and the only one leaping to my head is this sporting life by the December and I suggested that I said if someone I actually said if someone were to put together a list of the best baseball songs I bet Mrs Robinson end up number three because it says the name Joe Dimaggio. Yeah and so you didn't include Mrs. Robinson you did include fallout song. Boys on New Paradise by the Dashboard. Light that's not a baseball song. Well so case so desperate times like try. We're churning man trying to come up with content like fuckers games so paradise by the Dashboard. Light is Basically it's like a like a seven minute song. One one movement of that song is some voice in non singing is like giving play by play to a baseball game Thursday though. Oh okay so and that is. That's a minute and a half of a literal baseball being described here but it's also the very worst part of that song added of. That's what I was going to say. Yeah it's the aesthetically it's awful. So how'd so how did you? What did you throw out? I guess what did you decide was not a baseball song? That's that Ramones Song beat on the Brat races with the Baseball Bat Yeah Louisville slugger by eazy e no didn't make it the Beastie Boys Song referenced. Sahara sure did have you did have. Here's another hit barry bonds. That's songs call Barry Bonds and I think in Konya reading like this. I was reading like MTV DOT COM articles from two thousand eight and like watching. Pete Wentz like videos with you know like all press like I was getting super deep into you know Internet two point. Oh culture on this maybe three point whatever. Yeah the Barry Bonds thing I guess there's like the idea was that you know bonds was the best hitter in the world and you know the that's how far this with Lil Wayne was going to go was gonna go Barry Bonds Distance. I you know yeah. There's some good songs that had baseball related lyrics but you would not think of them as baseball songs. They like for the turnstiles. The Neil Young Song from on the beach and the last versus. What all the Bushley batters left to die in the Diamond. And something else in the stands. The home crowd scatters for the turnstiles. I don't really think of that as a baseball song. And it doesn't come to mind when I think of baseball songs. But even that. That's an explicit baseball reference. It's averse if you put baseball. In the title of more explicitly. We might think of it as a baseball song. But I mean if I remember that song existed it might have been like number four on this list. You guys wrote this with an intro about how baseball and music go together and like you've got this argument that the quote the marriage between music and baseball dates more than a century. The attraction John Darnell says is simple. We all die. We all consider our own mortality and athletes. They get old. The implication is that you have found thirty good songs here. Thirty good baseball songs here. And could you rewritten article with a intro? That was all baseball. Songs are trashing here thirty examples. Or don't you have a job right your job is working for. Espn are usually you? Don't need to edit the athletic. All right PAL He yes I mean. They're like I did not expect this story to be such an aesthetic What's it called firebrand or yeah? Yeah I mean we really like you know I I. I did not expect this to be a talker as it were or would call the thirty greatest baseball socks. If you called the thirty songs here thirty suggs that we just thought a foot mural texting I being a little more You know facetious. I guess 'cause you guys are my friends but talk. I mean you know. We're like we're just trying to come up with content. You know to like keep this is. These are hard times. Yeah we could have week. We probably if I if I would do it over again. There are three things now that I would change. I'd add the dying cubs cubs fans whatever to fucking songs called Would have put in a caveat about Centerfield and we probably would have noted something in the intro about how songs about baseball. Actually all that great. The problem is you know we're trying to draw eyeballs into our our work and if we read a story that says hey. Here's the thirty best baseball songs. You should know this going in though all these songs suck and You're not gonNA like any of them and not only that we left off the one you're thinking of so please subscribe to the athletic. It's a really good site you know help you. You can read Ken Rosenthal night game by Paul. Simon is a masterpiece. That's weird fucking saw. And that was a weird song and yet number twenty behind cheap seats by Alabama which again. I'm trying to figure out how you sorted these. Did you give Alabama credit for being literal or what what am I mean? I think the main thing I said is i. I wish to have go cubs go higher on the initial list and that we should have Watching McCall it and it Talking baseball should be higher and cubs and five should be number one that. Yeah that's yeah the rankings. Are Maybe the least interesting? 'cause I've I've heard Joe Posinski talk on his podcast about his baseball one hundred series where he just basically wrote Warren peace over the course of like four months where he just wrote essays about one hundred best baseball players and he had to order them and he had sort of a formula that was kind of war based and he made some adjustments but he also just like stuck some guys in its numbers because it was their uniform number like you didn't take the rankings that seriously because he didn't WanNa devote large parts of his essays to explaining why he ranked someone here or why someone else was higher and he didn't WanNa have to Ding guys and say well. This guy is lower than that guy because he didn't do this or that. He wanted to celebrate what made them good and interesting but of course there was a war in every covet section about how this guy is thirty seven and that other guy is thirty nine or something. I guess that just comes with the territory and really that's the appeal of this format like it. It almost presupposes that there is some objective hundred best that there is some truth that we could access. If you're just honest tour diligent enough about it and there is no way to do that. But of course that's the appeal of it is just the the argument the room. Kind of argument. Where you're saying this guy is better than that guy and someone else's going to argue about that and they will click to hate read your ranking and hopefully they'll just enjoy the essay but I guess that is part of it here like you had to decide this and it's It's on preference. It's so subjective and and everything and I could see if you may be gave a bump to some songs that were were songs but more baseball league like if the baseball miss of it was insurable to the ranking than maybe you could put Alabama higher than Paul Simon even though the song is worst but it's more explicitly about baseball. Give it some extra credit for that. I kind of thought the reaction to this story was going to be. Most people didn't care because no one cares about most things everyone rights and then you know five people would say like hey cool thanks for the music recommendations and instead it was hundreds of people just all telling us to go to hell. Every person who signed up for JOE's baseball one hundred project and was brought into the site immediately tried to cancel their subscription out of fury. Yeah no I mean I you know yeah by by nature if you do a list of something. You're just asking to upset someone that's what's going to happen. Is that if you rank. If you rank things you will inevitably do things that you know get stuff wrong so like I did a I did one. That was like the best players to wear every number. And I you know said that you know Carlton should be thirty two and not Sandy Colfax which like whatever like either one's fine but there were people who were not thrilled with that decision so I mean look we serve to the readers and you know I I genuinely enjoy the interactions with readers. And I didn't take this one too seriously because the stakes are just so low. I was just surprised at Man. People love that song. People love that Song I guess they do. I don't know if it's just like a Pavlovian thing where you have to include Centerfield because it's on the present. There is something where like some of songs are. Maybe not great songs. But they're part of the culture. They're part of the experience of baseball so that kind of confers some sentimental attachment to them if they were about something else and you didn't hear them at ballgames at a time when you're treasuring the experience already in your happy to be at the Ballpark and this is the thing you like. Then I think there's kind of a grace that's given to the songs. There's like a halo effect where we all loved the song. Because it's about baseball and we love baseball. And if you just change the words we would never listen to that song. But it's you know part of the Culture American fabric and national pastime in our upbringing and formative years. And all of that. I remember having a an interaction on twitter about ten years ago where I tweeted something like there's no way to make a bad song has hand claps if it's got hand claps it's going to be a good song and somebody actually. It was Matt Welsh. Who's an angels fan? And his I think the editor in chief of reason magazine at the time replied Centerfield and I think maybe what this song comes down to. Is that roughly half of the world? Believes that you can't ruin us on. That has hand claps that that it has hand claps is therefore awesome like all hand cat clap songs are good because all hand claps are good and then the other half say hand claps are not enough this song is is otherwise trash and hand claps cannot save it so I I don't know I do kind of feel like the hand claps saved the song. Yeah I I disagree. You know one man's trash is another man's treasure and A lot of folks treasurer this song. I would like to thank you for two to musical recommendations though that are in here that I was appreciative of one Song Mickey Mantle by the singer. I Guess Waters Nets Jam. I like it. I hadn't heard it before. And then the jolt and Joe Dimaggio by Les Brown and his orchestra At is wonderful. Yeah that's okay. I never heard that song before. Yeah that's documentary. Yeah that's there's a lot of like Have I heard this in Ken? Burns documentary? Feel although songs. Yeah Yeah. There's another one of those that you you snubbed. I think the count Basie Sung. Did you see Jackie Robinson Paul kind of Chandra very catchy Ben and I were part of a group effort at Baseball Prospectus? About ten years ago where we were all asked our favorite baseball's on and neither might pick nor bins pick major list Bend you remember. No I have no idea. It was baseball boogie by Mabel. Scott Oh which you then. What wrote a whole article about rain today? Maybe you didn't. Maybe this was after. You've written your your your sheet music article right out of phase where he was really into double entendre in old baseball music on. Oh and so this. Baseball boogie was part of that. Yeah Mine was Walter Johnson by Jonathan Richmond. Yeah we we should have quoted that one. Yeah you don't like it. There's a Jonathan in Richmond. Fenway Song it's not really a baseball song but it mentions baseball. It's about the neighborhood that I think is pretty good. But the Walter Johnson Song so for the most part though like we're talking about there's there's sort of like four kinds of song on here I would say there's the one where the baseball is extremely tangential and where. It's only a baseball song in the sense that it's an American song and American songs will soon take little parts of American iconography of which baseball is it part of it and therefore a baseball reference gets in the song learnt really baseball songs all of their perfectly legitimate for your purposes here and then there's the extremely baseball songs and those songs are generally not very good here but there might be good emotional connections to them because we like baseball and they're about baseball and then there's the baseball novelty songs of which light take me out to the ball. Game is one but so jolting Joe Dimaggio and so is the Meatloaf Song that we were talking about. Where like its spoken? Word Baseball. Or it's really it's a novelties. On and then there's the occasional actual song that's actually about baseball although usually more in a metaphorical sense but cubs and five is kind of one of those and night. Game is one of those is. Is it just unrealistic to think that you can write a song that is explicitly about baseball and kind of consistently about baseball? Not just one line is passing metaphor but about baseball all the way through with baseball players named in all of that without immediately becoming a Dorky Novelty Song. I mean I think it depends on the subject matter. I think if you were you know writing a song about being a young kid and you wake up in the morning and the sun comes out. There's new grass on the field to you. Know you're you're thinking about playing the game you know rounding third and heading for home and then when you're on your way brown eyed handsome man. I think anyone can understand the way that you would feel if you were writing a song about that. You know if you were writing a song about you know sort of the universal like sort of how the you know the The the specific is universal. Because everyone can relate to that feeling of when you go to your coach and you say put me in coach. I'm ready to play. I'm ready to play today. You put me in coach. I'm ready to play today. I'm not only ready to play this position. I am ready to be calm disposition. I'm been eating Centerfield for breakfast. You know here's a good son. There's a good song about my slumbering heart by Rilo Kiley. Do you know that one. I that about baseball in my dreams I see myself hitting a baseball in a greenfield somewhere near a freeway. All Tannin smiling and running from third base. What record is that on execution of all things? That's a great song. Yeah but again. It's it's about baseball for for four lines I just. I don't know that you can do it without being becoming too specific there are no good songs about sports. Yeah exactly like I mean. It's just not they're not they're not like there are good songs that are used in sports. But it's just very difficult to you know to write a good Song About Football that fountains of Wayne Song that everybody was flipping out about Last week or two ago quarterback in the pocket. Yeah that's okay. That's one that we were talking about for unfortunate reasons. You know like it's a good song but yeah I mean there's no good songs about basketball Adams licensors you know. He took a total genius to write one. Right right it takes like a you know. A freak of nature could write a great song about anything in order to do it. I mean it's kind of the same way that John Darnell. You know wrote a great song about baseball. Because it's John Darnell. I'm more of a melody. Man Than Lyrics men generally maybe even more of an instrumentation men. My Name's I`Ma consider myself melody man. That's not the name of someone at the Gentleman's Club where we met I. Just I think you'd think like I'm a writer. Appreciate word play. I might care about their ex but there are a lot of songs with terrible lyrics that I still love because I can sing along to them and often. You can't even understand the lyrics. Sometimes it's hard to even tell what they are and I still love the song and it almost like distracts me from the music itself. Whatever experience I'm having with the music on some kind of visceral level if I'm also paying attention to the words they're exceptions. Of course there. Lisa safe like Latin songs were very important but on the whole if you had to give me great lyrics or great music. I'm going to go with the music every time and so. I'm not really giving that much extra credit for the baseball content of the songs even though I like words like baseball and you'd think that I'd be really inclined to to love those songs if the music's not there it's just not going to do it for me. I'm not going to give you a pass because it's baseball song and I don't know whether sometimes people set out to write a baseball song and so they're starting with the lyrics and maybe it's less organic because they're trying to fit the music around the lyrics. I don't know whether that happens or whether it's just hard to access like the peso's of sports or something when you're writing a song. I don't I don't know what it is. But somehow it it just almost makes it seem very mundane and humdrum when you're writing about sports in a song and it just often doesn't do it for me so yeah. There's a song on the list by Peter. Paul and Mary and I didn't know that song and I went to watch it. And it you know. It is explicitly about baseball. It's call right field and it's all about playing right field and feeling like a you know a loser because you're in right field but like you can tell the even they consider it like they're singing it with like a sort of goofy novelty song facial expression the whole time you're like you can really tell they're not taking it seriously in the way that you know. They take hammers seriously and dragons seriously. Yeah I think probably the only good baseball song is talking baseball. And that might be like explicitly anti Labor or at least implicitly p Labor So you know yeah. I don't know I don't know if the couple quibbles here I will mention that are not related to center field so I think that you have the wrong baseball projects on on here. That's my opinion you have to have some baseball projects. Obviously on a list of baseball songs. But you don't want to go too heavy on project so you have don't call them twinkies which is the cleberation with Craig Finn. The hold steady and not really a Bruce Guy. I'm not really a hold steady guy and I think there are better baseball project songs. I think Ted fucking Williams is a great baseball project song the Curt Flood Song that they have gratitude for curt flood. Really that that whole first baseball project album is really very good. And that's tough when your whole reason for being a band is that you're writing about baseball. And he was baseball. That limits you a little bit in terms of the content of your Sung and I do think that their best album is their first and there are other people who have baseball specific fans like the isotopes the punk band. They've got some good stuff and I guess. I would like to see Dan. Bern Sung on here Denver. Nisus sort of like a dylan esque kind of singer songwriter. And he's written a couple baseball album. Seabrook like a whole baseball album called doubleheader. That's just a all baseball songs. And some very good ones like Ballpark for instance. So I don't know I might put him on here just because he tried really hard. He wrote auto baseball songs. I'd be pretty demoralized if I had devoted entire albums to writing baseball songs and I couldn't get one on the top thirty given up at that. They are in general. He also has some baseball on non baseball albums which yeah. I think there's something that I'm not sure. Those songs are better than the ones on the baseball. But I kinda discount. The baseball album one's a little bit as being too much about baseball if you were to ask me. What's your favorite Song? About Michigan. I would feel a little bashful taking it from the Sufiane Michigan Album. Like it just seems a little too on the nose. Yeah that's maybe. That's the problem with baseball songs. In general just too on the nose. Yeah one of the challenges here is that you would. I mean you would like to have some hip hop on here. Because it's you know the dominant music over the past three decades but very few songs. There are a lot of like rap lyrics that refer to baseball players. Refer to baseball things but but I mean it would be. I mean it would be hard to write a good baseball wrap. Ken Griffey Junior and kids sensation demonstrated but I do think that maybe the the the one exception is that the wally song. Mvp is it's pretty close to actually about baseball. And it's a good song. So I would have put that on here Yeah there's there used to be a ballpark. Which is it's pretty pretty madeline. I've I might not put that on the list even though I miss guy but I think maybe some Damn Yankees. I don't know maybe you gotTa have heart could crack the list. It's a pretty good song. I'm not a big show tunes person but I'd give that credit and I think Vin lingle Mungo at definitely put Bentley. Go MANCO ON. Here's the song face Dave Frisch Berg because that song it's a pretty good song and it's also basically remembering some guys the song he's dislike naming names of old baseball players. It's a combination of remembering some guys and looking up funny names on baseball reference and then setting it to pretty good music. So I think that's That's probably deserving and I don't know maybe meet the mets if you're gonNA go for like a team centric song which are almost universally horrible but beat the mets. That's pretty catchy. I think and I don't know the todd. Snider Sung America's favorite pastime the Sung about dock. Ellis Good Lord. How good side. I will say like speaking of looking for content and being desperate a recently thought. Maybe I'll write a oral history of Scott steps. Marlins OH GOSH. Yeah because of that. Yeah this month was the tenth anniversary of the first time. Scott step performed marlins will soar. I went so far as to contact his publicist to ask if I could speak to. Scott stapp because I don't really know how this song came together. I think I remember hearing somewhere that like Jeffrey. Loria like ran into Scott stapp in an airport or something and somehow a song came out of that and I guess Scott stapp was a marlins fan so he wrote this. Just you know bad. It's good anthem for the Marlins who have not soared since and I think he adapted one of his existing songs had just set marlins lyrics and you know like the most simplistic lyrics. You could imagine in inimitable. Scott step pronunciation that no one else has ever said words that way. So you know it's like dope will play no one would say double-play except for Scott step anyway. I contacted his publicist and she was like. I'm going to have to pass on celebrating that anniversary because there's no way to discuss this without it. Being Scott's expense and that's a good player. I can't really argue with that. There's no way that Scott step is GONNA come out of this article looking better really. I mean the more we all forget about marlins will soar. Probably the better for Scott Step. I know I know all of the lyrics to that song on top of my do it performance for us. Are you guys going to do what we can do it together? I don't think I had the league's committed to every let's play ball league game. We want strikeouts base. It's double please take the field roar of the crowd. You guys come on. Come on come on. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Keep Hoping Dreaming Groups with little a Lo will so yeah. Two strikes swing away. Catch a stool. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's some good shit. Two points quickly. The best song about Michigan is ball with a ball and one song that we did not include what we did link to that I genuinely. Love is Deepak Swing by Roger Klein and Peacemakers. That's what the D backs play after they win. It's great it's an earworm like yeah. If you've ever covered a game of chase field like I got to the point near the end of my time on the beach where I would just openly root for the d backs to win so I get here. Deepak swing as I was walking down to the clubhouse. It's a it's a great tune. All right I really liked the song. The way by fastball up. That sucks yeah You forgot the best baseball song. Sweet Caroline and also enter Sandman watered if a song could be so affiliated with baseball light could I just when I saw Bruce springsteen the first thing I thought was hot and I know train. You know if you're if you're the minority our on gas if you're the missile song of the postseason right exactly. Go the phone when I think about lighten. Mumps I exclusively think about baseball but then you did say like Dane. Cook saying there's only one. October is a baseball song you know so no. I think it would have been then. We would have been more like sweet. Caroline is a jock jam. You know like I think there's a difference between songs about baseball and Jock jams. I think you could definitely get thirty jock jams. You know the thirty best usages of music you know in sports or whatever like yeah that that would be then there would be a little bit of overlap like maybe like go cubs go would make bat list but yeah. I think it's a different category. All right I did like this. I thought it was great. Good that makes one of the three of us did all right. What will your next project with Reston? rank the. I've never worked with him again. Man He's terrible taste. I told them I said claimed at him. You you tried valiantly to get Centerfield in over my taste. I wish we'd actually had a serious conversation about it like you. Did you seriously genuinely. Did you average your votes together or did you just pick all right about this one? And we're on number twenty four. I'm GONNA run one. We sent me a list and said how does this look and I was like I move. This here moved out there. Move this year and the yeah. Yeah all right well. You gave us something to argue about. Bake you guys are you. Are you guys doing? Are you doing? Okay okay all right speaking of baseball songs. If you're interested in listening to or downloading any of the stat last song covers that we've been playing on recent episodes and will continue to play on upcoming episodes. I have put them all in a shared folder online. Which I will link to on the show page in that same folder I have added of the theme song from effectively wild including the original stat. Plas song and Ben Gilbert out show song and the time. Sam Sang the Intro Sung by himself. Acapella in the time. Someone remixed since Acappella intro. All of that is online for you to access. I also just pulled our listeners in the facebook group because I was curious about how they're listening habits had been affected by the pandemic and by the way it's shaken up all of our lives and routines so I asked regular listeners in our facebook group to choose from one of five options. They are listening less than usual during these strange times. 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