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I love it go to Adam and Eve dot com and use the offer code town to bring home unlimited fun. That's a d. a. m. e. v. e. dot com and use the offer code town at checkout. A historic mahouts revisited. I'm Rebecca Lieb I'm Jason Horton, and this is ghost town. We are going to go back to where it all started. At twenty four, seventy, five. GLENDOWER's place. In Los feeless Los Angeles. The Los feeless murder house. ooh, we did this episode to because we were so excited to get things off. was a different time back. Then I was actively dating. We weren't in a pandemic. Or a social revolution, a political revolution We had so much ahead of us when I listened to earlier episodes. Obviously. We didn't know what this was going to be or what we were just kids what people are GonNa like, yeah, eighteen it was Obama's administration. I was in my late early mid fifty. Six years. Old, Weird Very Weird Dick, my act's. And I wanted to kind of go back to this because it has been a couple of years. There's new information and I paid the house a little visit. Oh, I. had a very strange. Occurrence happened to me there which I was not expecting because there's Some people talk about their maybe you're possibly haunted aspects of of anything but I don't think. It's noteworthy for that and nor did we ever kind of consider it not that was haunted creepy and a lot of dark history but not particularly haunted and I had a really strange situation there. You're suddenly a receptor for haunted shit like how does I have been waiting my whole life to be visited and suddenly Jason? Willy Nilly is being haunted here haunted. They're weird feelings here strange apparitions there. What's have you opened? Meditating now or something know when I was meditating I had none of these issues I think. I don't know maybe it's because I've talked about it and but I'm always had that shield of skepticism up I think that has i. don't know who's perpetuating it but I had a very Call it coincidental but called strange I took some video and you can find the video in a video version of this episode on my main channel, which is Youtube Celeste Jason Horton rebranding that kind of just to keep it more ghost town escort strange esque. So there's a link in description click on if you want to see the video of the house, but there's also going to be pictures that I took and something did not want me to take that video or those photos and put it to you that way ahead a little run in with somebody well, and we'll talk about that a little later would just WanNa to lay the groundwork. In case you're not familiar pizza membre episode two of. I did go on a second date on Halloween to the Los Phillies Murder House I don't think that's neither here nor there anymore. But just to give you the background that you need and I'm going to ask you about that about how that day only because i. Remember immediately I moved here talk of this House jazz of the. kind of suspended in time aspect. Of It. The, the murder part is almost secondary to the a vacant and abandoned aspect of it. Yeah, I. Think. So this is kind of. A two part story I guess it depends on what you're more interested I. think they're both really interesting but again to that a little bit later because when I first moved here, people talked about it and I think kind of driving up there. But I wasn't at that time. This is many years ago and I was like I don't really WANNA I don't WanNa see any freaky stuff. Just wasn't in, but I actually now went purposefully during the day went back and it was strange. We'll talk about that a little bit later also want to mention really quick. Our Patriot fan has some new tears. We have a new governor. That's right. We have new bonus episodes and bonus episode that's up right now there's bonus episodes for one of the tears for the Ghost towned verses. Get a little, the new ghost town verses about that, and there is discount codes for the merchandise and if you WANNA help support the show. Really does help we've really utilized. It is patron dot com slash ghost town pod, and then the tit for that let's move onto the episode. Don't want to upsell remote too much but not too little either no. Not at all say there is something particularly creepy about things preserved in time and I would love to focus on that and like why the psychology of that more in a later episode. But again, I think we've done something on the Alexandria Hotel just things where they are untouched by other. By people like messed with like a time capsule especially one that is a room and especially with the Los Angeles Murder House a room. That's so much traumatic shit has happened in. That is so fucking scary to me and I. think that is kind of the crux of the mythology around it because you know especially now in in Los Angeles and maybe the town or city or wherever you live. The want for people to just destroy something and put something up. Yeah. You know which sometimes it's understands is not financially viable or you know the infrastructure isn't a to date or code, but for a house for pretty much the better part of fifty years. Stay the way it is especially in Los Angeles. Now, is maybe even at different times as a kind of rampant. Kind of destruction of things, but it's a testament to the story that it has been preserved for so long, but it's going to give a little quick for people that. are familiar with this. They don't remember episode to which. I listened to the first episode and actually actually re edited it because we still paying. To God mainly because of me because I'm the one who's doing the talking not giving a ton of information and people I I I was actually going to take our old episodes and just archive them but then I realized it's like We're just going to have to live with it. You know we are a time capsule. Council effect and some people are like you haven't improved. What are you talking about the same Old Shit? Yeah and you're right maybe in some ways but I talked a little slower I don't talk as much about myself but I, swear as much. I think that doesn't change no that has not changed I don't think anybody wants to change. We're going to go to twenty four, seventy, five glendower in. Los Angeles. At about four thirty to five am December sixth nineteen, fifty, nine cardiologists, Harold Harrelson, his wife, Lillian three kids, and he brutally murdered his wife attempted to murder his daughter and then committed suicide. So he takes the ball pain hammer small hammer he. bashes his wife Lillian. Heddon. Kills her goes to his daughter Judy's room. Hits her but it wakes her up. So that blow to her head bulky number small waking up now to a ball pain Hanner Hammer hitting you in the head and. We're seeing your father. Because I also think that's somebody ever. You know it's it's a dreamy wake up and things seem so real you're in such A. Strange arrested state that you don't know what is real and it'd be very easy for her father like he did to be like, Hey, calm down chill. Everything's fine but she knew she in a panic and she saw her mother and then ran out of the house screaming for the neighbors and the neighbors could could here saying, don't kill me don't kill us and got to be very strange. So I, looking back on this I, kind of wondered know. Listening to some other. True crime face things are just crime stuff in general and sometimes it's you know you. you start by killing one person and then somebody else sees us you have to call the next person and then when does that end and I wonder what the story would be is if Judy didn't get up what he because obviously, he didn't kill Judy because she'd be a witness to what he did. Yeah he could have we've any kind of story he wanted to but I think it was the goal was to be done with this family. So if Judy didn't get up on screaming out of a house, he would he have just around killed her and then killed the other two kids that probably what probably happened so she? It's super traumatic is somewhat of A. Work Hero if I mean there's a lot of studies around it's not patricide sites not familiar. But. It's like a word kind of like that where the family head. Systematically murders the family and then killed himself and there's a lot of studies around like why that happens. It's a it's not wholly in American phenomenon but a lot of it happens in America and how it deals with like you know. Men and family roles and EGO, and provider ship been just. Ingrained Dynamics. But certainly, I mean like obviously this guy wanted to kill his family and also just from my recollection. He was he was pretty. Surprised to no one very unstable and dealt with his own a mental illnesses etcetera I also wonder now let's just say he he successfully killed his whole family. Would have necessarily killed himself or could he have just we've some story? Hey, listen I'm a I'm a doctor. Yeah. What do you? Like somebody came in here and try to rob US I'm Livin is nice house up in the hills and they killed my whole family I just got home. I can't. Be in the mind of him or what happened but I also I saw that he had a copy of. Dante's inferno the. Comedy Comedy Divine Comedy von Divine Comedy opened on his nightstand the night that it happened. Very strange Jerry very, eerie and he had you know issues like you said with. Mental issues, psychological issues, but also issues financially which chat, which again I think a lot of the Times too and I think I keep thinking about the unsolved mysteries. Episode to that we we covered a couple of them, not this one in particular but about how that underlies a lot of masculinity and provider ship with a lot of men and when they do kill their families, which again is that word of the tip of my tongue but I'm not sure what it is a lot of it is like inability to provide. Financial dire straits like money being tied to sell food and just being able to be the patriarch of the family not being able to do that anymore who are you if you can't provide exactly and then worth the fact that nobody else in the family has any say in their fate just contributes to this like Ego maniacal ideal of provider ship in fatherhood. He got screwed out of a business deal with the partner with some kind of medical device lost a lot of money on that. Judy got into a car accident with the other kids not her fault on Vermont and Los Fellas. Hill. Yeah. That's still pretty hopping area. Remember that address because it will come up later. Okay. Little Foreshadow Oh boy you know was not her fault the recoup some cost of maybe the medical, but they couldn't recoup the cost of the car. It was a lot of financial things probably happening he was you know somewhat sort of ill and you find out. If he had a lot of coronaries. Three, the had them because he tried to commit suicide previously a couple of times. So after Judy's out of the House running screaming neighbors, you know from being there and you know I don't know how dense it was, but it's It's colder, SAC which is kind of scary. Itself is yeah. Blocks off but there's houses there. There are. There's also there's a lot of trees it's really private to surprisingly private. It's right nestled into Griffith, Park. It's really old part of town and that is scary too because I think in a lot of, as you couldn't hear like she was lucky that she was heard as she screamed and ran in the house. So when Judy's other siblings woke up her father Harold Peril Sohn said go back to bed. This is a nightmare and then he took. Two doses of Nembutal, an NAMBI empty and then thirty one small white pills, codeine tranquilizers, and was dead before. I, arrived. Pretty good way to go though if you were to choose he's doctor. So he would know that I wonder if there's the stresses of being a doctor in the late fifties I know. There's high suicide rates with dentists, turnover change interesting I that's what I believe. SOMEBODY'S DENTISTS I. Rated suicide from what I remember I don't know why but. He's for that sticking your hands and people's mouths all day I in my mind if you're if you're a white man doctor in the fifties, your God. Whatever you want. But not if you've made some bad decisions yes. Business is this. On well. I always think the nine hundred, Fifty S. Economy wise things are booming, but maybe the late fifty s the sixties times are changing. There's more. Better, doctors more doctors more constitutionally better than this guy. He he prescribed. You know a cigarette for breakfast cereal for lunch and tax for dinner my sensible cigarette. But you love that I actually very into that Diet I I've been smoking a lot lately admittedly and it's Not Good. It's not good for my health. Surprisingly we found Razi. Thank you heard here fodder. For us all we are very brave speaking the controversial truths we've never heard from judy or the kids I believe the aunts. Took care of the other two kids, and there is a letter that previously this at Judy wrote to her aunt says quote family on a merry go round again same problem same worries only tenfold my parents so to speak are in a bind financially. So it's probably weighing pretty heavy. Yeah. Got My current. So to speak like they're barely her parents that soave Dr Yeah and you know I don't know if she's you know she's eighteen Anglia pretty probably Moody Teen Yeah or you know Like anybody any at that age yeah. So the house after. This little break. We're all spending lots of time at home watching, TV making sour dough starters doing some light math. Okay. Maybe not so much the light math. We've a lot more free time on our hands. You know they say about idle hands here's an idea why not keep yourself occupied some entertainment provided by my friends, your friends Adam and Eve I've been a huge fan of them. 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What House is famous for are these photos, Christmas tree on open presence magazines food. And from what I gather there's people that supposedly rented the house because the in Rica's Rica's has re Kansas Rica's lots of SNZ's they never actually moved in there they just ask. Maybe at a steel. I mean how much does a murder Housego for other lot very little very. The house goes for two point, five, million I looked up who is that more or less than the home alone house No. What the? I might be more is it? Yeah it's. It's a big house in Chicago suburb but I think. Yeah. All right. That says something to be says something to me and you know some people said, well, it couldn't be the peril sins house because they were Jewish while we have a Christmas tree because like I know plenty of Jewish people selects cultural holidays don't think it means. To be out I'm you're I mean my parents the docks or something or a are they my parents if you a Christmas tree in my parents house, they would throughout. Okay. So I think we'll let my mom's first husband which we didn't know about till. I was in my twenties different story for different PODCAST. But her she I always ask her why they got divorced and they got divorced when she was twenty, seven, twenty, eight she was like he wanted he was Jewish doctor to Oh. She was like he wanted a Christmas tree over Christmas and she could not I mean, her dad is my grandfather, a Holocaust survivor he's an immigrant so I get that hits home but it's an interesting thing with the cultural divide between Jews, my parents and other parents may be these. These they could I mean you know you don't know the the level but then some things are you know there's you could see magazines that are dated in. After nineteen, fifty nine. So. What is actually the Perelman's are not is. Kinda of for debate base photos of some people say we don't know, and also there's a rumor that these people that rented it on the anniversary of the attack. That's when they essentially found out like PS Hewlett. Murder. House, and you drop that influence. They waited. Day literally. Abandoned the house there like word gone out of here, and that's what was left behind maybe I mean no no that makes sense to me to all of this seems pre plausible as to why it's so preserved it's still terrify whatever it is. It's still terrifies me. Rudy and Rica's their son, he inherited the house, but he did not move in and according to the La Times in two thousand nine. I don't know that I want to live there or even stay there in Rica's told them. And he died in two, thousand, fifteen, he had no children. So there was no one to pass it along to and two thousand sixteen it was back on the market and as far as I know and as far as I've seen, it is still on the market avenue I, mean, I'm not versed in looking up Zillow, but it seems like it is on the market and I've seen. Records of the price was three point five, million I looked in our how accurate is just two point five million. Seems like a really good price. Yeah. For this is a hospital so I can't believe some murder person murder person some in true crime enthusiasts, Trent resonator had Ireland man exactly. That's it. Actually, it should be like it should be a celebrity like a kind of Gothi celebrity should get it I believe. Now this kind of crosses crosses world that that Stasi Schroeder from vendor pump rules maybe wanted to buy that house when I was Kinda looking things up and I believe this, the house she was talking about is she wanted to. Get, married there live there whatever it asked. and okay. Yeah. I think that she it seems like her thing that's definitely her thing. I mean, she eventually moved into a house in the hills that had I don't think any haunted history to it, but it had beautiful granite countertops as it should as it should I don't I think. Again it's like, do you really want this? Do you really and I know Stacey really leans into the her macab Shit but like it's kind of like why? I hesitate to look up the places I live in zone history. I'm like, what am I gonNa find you know you don't want to. We could be sitting in a murder house right man we probably are someone didn't die here would be surprised but I'm not looking into a right now. Ten to. I went to that was like you know what I WanNa do this episode want to bring Something to some new dynamic. Go to where all started and it is very narrow. You driving if there's like A. There's is is a party in the hills. It's a nightmare. Yeah. Very narrow. You can't fit two cars side by side. Yeah. There's nowhere to turn around so I you know go up there it's. It's a pretty. Overcast Day. So it's a little weird but nothing nothing write home about as they say. I get up there and I see the house and the facade is as it was. Yeah absolutely. There's a lot of barbed wire. There's a century twenty, one signed. So it is for sale and. The inside as. I. Know in his current as icy is is pretty much gutted. So the insight is absolutely gutted. The outside seems to be pretty well preserved. It looks as it did and you know to get up there as I was wondering like, did you did you? Did you have to climb anything because there's the okay. So here's what happened with it. So that's the same experience that I had where it was like inside was gutted outside look great There was a gate gate when he went there, there's a gave him pretty well sealed show when I went the gate was not shut. There was a single rock holding the gate in. This is pretty I. Mean There's A fortress. You and US talking about it maybe. And you went up, we went up to the house. which I I mean I don't know if I wouldn't have done it probably during the day I'd probably have to. Yeah it was pretty it was pretty creepy. Some alcohol within us to help with the courage to do that I, have some pictures dig up for sure it was very. Very creepy But yeah, the was totally open. This is pretty to concede photos on her instagram or. Post them on Patriae and such I got a lot of photos now I, wanted some video. Okay. So. The process of beginning video is that I'm the where it was parked. I can just roll down the window I didn't WANNA get out take up space intrusive. I wasn't really looking to make a huge scene I just wanted to. Capture some video and some photos. So I go to roll down the window of my car. Electronic. Windows and will not roll down. All the other ones I'm unlocking locking everyone. Else's fine I mean this window does not wanNA move. Whatever whatever I don't know what the problem is. No big deal. opened the door to get out. Go to with my iphone, my modern iphone, take some video. Camera. Will Not. Press. Play. WHOA. Because I have a lot of dream sometimes that I want to take a picture of video something and it won't work, and that's probably a common it's like you know like I'm. An. In School in my underwear whatever. But it just will not work. So I'm like. Clearing out eventually have to. Start like a restart my phone it works for like two or three six in the dark it or sitting messing with your window and your votes during the day. Okay. It's not that because I don't think I would be able to see things. So during the day, it's probably like one PM. Okay. A pretty innocuous time. It's not the witching hour anything we now know. The video will play two or three seconds and I'm like, what is I'm getting really frustrated. And then a maintenance worker, his truck was there he comes out and he goes to me he's like this house and then he shows his arm as if he's got goosebumps and he goes. And then walks away God damn. Yeah. So then the camera works Oh videoing A. Thirty seconds of video just to show what it looks like would it might be like to live there street. And then. I get out of there. Yeah. On the car around move and I'm really upset about the window I don't want to get this fixed as soon as I hit Vermont and Los. Feel US remember I remember that the accident happened. The window just goes down now. That is terrifying. Also Vermont Lewisville's maybe like three blocks, four blocks from it right yet. It's it's pretty essentially the bottom of the hill. If you rolled down the hill from the house. That's where you were here. Yeah. That is so creepy. Homa God I don't like that. Yes that. That is. What happened. So you realize you don't need to go there at night and have a drunk now double blind date there you need to go there at one pm you gotta go when you're a total square like me who doesn't bother. You, the tire tempting fate thirsty. I'm thirsty for all this. Go on Halloween night like how fucking basic could be you gotta go to lunch time at one piano time Tuesday yeah. Full stomach totally sober. nope. Intermittent fasting very empty stomach. Never eat right.
15: The Los Angeles Murder House
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Don't be fooled by the prettiest house on the block. Something truly awful happened in there. Dr harold pearl. Simmons family could have been the poster family of the american dream. The son of immigrants who fled the repressive regime and hopeless future in eastern europe. Around the turn of the twentieth century herald became a successful surgeon. After med school herald moved to los angeles where he published papers became a prominent professor and cardiology and was on surgery teams at some of the most prestigious hospitals in los angeles. It was in los angeles where he met. And married lillian. Silver by the late nineteen fifties with his wife and three children in tow. Dr burleson bought the home at twenty four seventy five glendower's place in the foothills of los angeles los felices neighborhood for around sixty thousand dollars or about half a million today money. The home was described as a delightful twelve room home with tariffs lawns artistic gardens and a magnificent view. A spacious tiled entrance hall and stairway led to a charming living. A glass conservatory. Dining room den breakfast room and kitchen to most people looking in the person's life from the outside they had it all a perfect family in a perfect home and then on the evening of december six nineteen fifty nine at about four thirty in the morning. Fourteen year olds. Jerry lewis who live next door and sometimes babysat for the pearl. Sins heard a blood curdling scream. Come from the person's house sherry said. At first she thought it was some kind of wild animal. And if you've ever been in the hollywood hills around sunset and heard the cacophony of coyotes screaming and the canyons. you understand. Honestly those things can sound like some off the hinges nineteen seventies orgy. It's not cute but this definitely wasn't a coyote. Because the next thing sherry heard was the voice of her eighteen year. old neighbor. Judy carlson screaming. Don't kill me moments later. Sherry her judy pounding on her front door screaming for help sherry couldn't move. She was frozen in fear. Which like absolutely girl. You're fourteen i get it. But what the fuck were her parents doing. It wasn't until judy tried another neighbor. Marshall ross. That door was open to her. She was bleeding from a major wound on her head. Marshall called the police after calling. The police marshall walked into the person's home to find the two younger children. debbie thirteen. Joel eleven most likely in a state of complete shock. Debbie having heard her older sister's screams had come out into the hallway and found her father. Harold pearl sinn holding a bloodied ball pin hammer. Dripping blood onto the floor herald told. Debbie go back to bed. This is a nightmare now. I think it's a safe bet. That harald may have been trying to convince his daughter that what she was seeing wasn't real but i can't help but wonder if a piece of him was simply commenting on what was happening and how it wasn't going the way he wanted it to as in this is a nightmare. All i wanted to do was murder. My family and i've got the one kid running to the neighbors. And the other standing there scared shitless. Surely he did not anticipate his eldest child waking up and alerting his other children let alone the rest of the neighborhood but thank the lord baby jesus. She did after finding the two younger children frozen on the first floor. Marshall ross the neighbor who called the police went up to the second floor of the house where he found harold who calmly told him go home. Don't bother me. Meanwhile the police had yet to arrive. Marshall took the advice and did not bother harold who was still holding the hammer covered in blood instead. Marshall watched as herald walked into the bathroom. Now i don't know how much of this next part marshall saw or if it was piece together later i would imagine if a man covered in blood tells you not to bother him. The smart thing to do is go and check on the poor terrorized children downstairs. I cannot imagine what was going through. Marshall's head at this point. Had he noticed that mrs carlsson was nowhere to be seen had he started putting the pieces together. Had judy told him in the bathroom. Harold perlstein open to capsules of nabutola. Fatal barbiturate nicknamed death in a bottle. And why someone has this kind of drug just laying around in the bathroom. Their children uses beyond me. I mean i get it. He's a surgeon and people. Apparently thought children were either invincible. Or expendable in the fifties but like put that shit up in a high cabinet or at the top of a closet anyway herald then took thirty one small white pills which were either coding or some other tranquilizer. Just in case. The death in a bottle didn't do the trick when the police finally showed up fifteen minutes after being called. Mr perlstein was barely breathing by the time the ambulance got there. He was dead. So there's mr pearl sinn dead in his daughter's room. His three children have all been accounted for. But where is their mother strangers. True story one year for christmas. My dad gave me a box of a certain frosted cereal. That's how much i love. This particular frosted cereal. But i'm a grown up now dammit. I can't go around eating bowls of sugar anymore as much as i might want to. That's why i love magic. Spoon frosted cereal it just like that other brand but with zero grams of sugar. Thirteen to fourteen grams of protein and only four net carbs and one hundred and forty calories per serving. I can eat like a grownup and still feel like a kid. If you're kito gluten free soy free low car or you don't like gmo's magic spoon is for you order your magic spoon variety. 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Men who kill their wives and try to kill their children are trash and there's never a good reason we all know that there are basically only two excuses menus to kill their wives and families. Money and lust herald burleson was not exceptional. So what was it. Why would a man with a seemingly idyllic life suddenly brutally murdering his wife try to kill his children and then kill himself doctor. Harold burleson left a few clues behind before downing that bottle of pills. The first clue police found was a copy of dante's divine comedy on persons. Nightstand left open on a page. With this passage midway upon the journey af our life i found myself within a florist dark for the straightforward. Way had been lost for those of you who had the pleasure of missing out on english one. Oh one in college first of all congrats you did it. And second of all dante's divine comedy is basically a really long poem about a guy going through a midlife crisis. Some people believe perlstein either consciously or subconsciously left this passage open at the scene of the crime as his way of saying look. I'm over fifty and life is an easy anymore. Which like ooh fuck and who harold. Get a grip pickup meditation. Do some journaling learn to garden. You know it turns out that older white guys report depression at higher rates than other demographics which either means a other demographics are less likely to report depression or be. Whiteman gets super sad when they're not at the top of the food chain anymore and of course there were financial problems. The process financial bind stemmed from the fact that mr perlstein had sunk a lot of his own money into developing and designing a new type of syringe that he claimed would prevent contamination and spillage the first time he was developing the device with ran off with the patent leaving carlson and debt burleson sued but didn't walk away with anywhere near as much as he would have if he'd profited from the invention a few years after that. Judy got into a car accident with her two younger siblings in the car everyone walked away from the accident but perlstein took the other driver to court. He got enough to cover the medical expenses but not the damage to the car. So it seems that between getting swindled by his business partner and the car accident pearl finances took a huge hit but the truth is plenty of people are terrible financial ruin and somehow managed not to murder their families over it and plenty of people reach their fifties and start thinking about their mortality. And what they've done with their lives less far and they may be disappointed but they to manage to not go on to commit suicide. Let me just say the fact that we even have a word for killing your whole family is distressing like it happens enough. That people were like we gotta come up with a quicker way of saying killed his entire family and like i get it sometimes. Having a family is no fun or whatever but by a porsche get a mistress. Follow a guru to bali and end up in a cult. Something i guess. It didn't occur to harold that he was literally sitting and a half million dollar home. I guess murdering his wife and attempting to murder his family was easier than going down to the bank to refinance. Also just a weird side note in an interview. Many years later sherry lewis the pearl since former neighbor and babysitter suggested that everyone would have been happier if her father had been married to lillian. Pearl sinn and her. Mother had been married to herald which is a very weird thing to say about a man who murdered his wife. I wish that murderous monster had been my dad. She also said. Dr burleson gave really good injections Okay the weirdest part of this story. As far as i'm concerned his at herald pearl sinn was a surgeon. He had access to serious drugs. The drugs were in his house. Did it not occur to him that he could have drug tests family that that would have been the more humane way to slaughter them like a ball pine hammer of all things. That's the weapon. You chose a ball. Pin hammer. Doesn't even have those nasty clause. Did he not plan for any one of the first three people he murdered to scream alerting. The remaining people did he really think he was going to beat them. All to death in absolute silence. Did he not understand how pain works by all accounts. The evening had been uneventful. No fighting no unusual behavior unless he and his wife got into one of those whisper yell that parents do sometimes so they don't make their kids up except it's pretty clear lillian. His wife had been asleep when she was attacked. So it seems like dr burleson planet but planned it. Really fucking poorly. At the end of the day herald. Burleson was a coward and total garbage. Who dug himself into a hole and couldn't think of any way out that wasn't extraordinarily violent in the two younger pearl send. Children were taken by their mother sister. Judy was already eighteen. So sorry this happened to you. Good luck with your life. The children were basically left with nothing. Judy apparently changed her name frequently throughout her life. The thing is no matter how many times you change your name. Nothing can ever change your pass now. This is where the pearl sinn story ends but the house at twenty four seventy five glendower place still stands today. 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So they knew going in and as far as anyone can tell they never even tried to move in in fact for the entire time mean rica's own the house they never even moved the person's furniture out keeping it almost like a time capsule of the night of the murder slash suicide. According to the neighbors the enrica this would visit occasionally and bring items basically just to store in the house. Neighbors said they were quiet and to themselves. They weren't rude but they weren't friendly. Either they were just there. And i can imagine that julian and emily rica's might have felt a bit like fish out of water in this. Tony part of los fleas. Their neighborhood of lincoln heights had been an economic decline for a few decades and was home to mostly low income immigrants by that point. And i don't wanna make assumptions. But i will anyway that the los felices neighbors weren't exactly running over with welcome cookies when the enrica as as did come by but why in the world would anyone by a twelve room mansion at auction not move in. It's not like the house needed work. It was in great shape when they bought it. Why would they just use it as a glorified storage unit. Why not sell it as far as anyone knows they didn't even try to sell it. Even stranger. i think their son rudy inherited the house in nineteen ninety-four and he didn't move in either. He did have a security system installed though which is a weird thing to do to a house. You don't seem to have any intention of living in. What was the enrica as family planning to do at the house. Why did they buy it in the first place. Why did they never try to sell it. Why in the world would you buy a home just to let it sit and rot Over the years the legend of the stuff left in the house has grown. There's the legend of the christmas tree in the living room. Complete with wrapped presents underneath one. Rumor was the pearl. Simmons had already put up their tree and wrapped their gift. But a it's unclear this alleged christmas tree ever existed. I didn't see any pictures of it and be not for nothing but the person's jewish that doesn't mean that they didn't celebrate christmas. I'm jewish and. I grew up celebrating christmas but i don't think the tree even if there was a tree and those presents were there's but if the in rica's family never moved in who is celebrating christmas in that house also who are all these people who have a christmas tree and wrapped presents by december. Six am i the only one running around on december twenty third grabbing the last tube of wrapping paper left at cvs. Another rumor that the enrica says possibly rented the house to tenants at some point who suddenly fled the home in a panic on the anniversary of the murder slash suicide. This seems like a stretch first of all. No one knows for sure. If there ever were any renters in the house on glendower's place and second. If there were renters one would hope they would have been alerted to the events that took place there in december nineteen fifty-nine and if they are ready knew what would make them suddenly flee and never return like even if they thought they saw a ghost or neighbor kids. Were playing a prank trying. To scare them one would think they might return the next day and get their ship over the years. Few curious and either really brave or really careless people snuck into snapped pictures of the home. And of course put those pictures on the internet. Looking at these photos is like stepping through the looking glass into the middle of the twentieth century. First of all the exterior of the house looks pretty immaculate. Mike driving by you would never think that's definitely a murder house. Like i've gone to look at houses on the market with much worse exteriors as one it turns out over the years. Neighbors complained about the state of the house. Because god forbid everything in your neighborhood doesn't look perfect. Rudy was forced to keep up the exterior which again. Why are you sinking money into an empty house. So the big arched brown wooden front door looks like the entrance to a medieval dungeons. I imagine when the person kids brought friends over they had to be like. Oh don't mind the dungeon dora. The inside is totally not dungeon. There's a picture of a staircase just beyond the living room. That's captioned The staircase is the scariest thing ever seen by mankind. And girl i get it with the hyperbole. I am literally the most hyperbolic person in the universe but like that's just a staircase. You should see the staircases in the house. I grew up in there. Were three of them. And they were winding with holes in the walls here and there and definitely no light. My parents seem to have some anti light fixture policy when i was growing up which meant that in order to get from the first floor to my bedroom on the third floor. I had to run as fast as i could up a winding dark staircase and just hope that monsters weren't going to jump out of the holes in the walls anyway From the pictures. I've been able to see their is no christmas tree. But they're under the peeling paint on the ceiling. Is the wrapped present in mickey mouse. Wrapping paper and sitting on an old sofa is more wrapping paper and ribbons. The sofa faces old console. Tv set on random boxes and furniture as if someone was watching gilligan's island while wrapping presents. Some of the rooms looked like they were just dumping grounds for stuff. There's an ancient bottle of boric acid just sitting out on the counter mid century furniture some covered and drop cloths some exposed life and post magazines canned food weird creepy ass dolls just laying there being all judgy all just sitting there. Over the years collecting dust other rooms were conspicuously more neat less dusty. Almost like maybe someone used them fairly regularly a bright red magazine caddy in perfect condition with the words. Us males spelled m. a. l. e. s. prefer early times true old style kentucky. Bourbon the package wrapped in disney wrapping paper. It looks like it was wrapped yesterday. Stacks of boxes and books all relatively dust free or at least not sixty years worth of dust. If don't dust my house each week. Which please trust me. I do not. There's about an inch of dust everywhere. The yellow leather chair sitting by the entrance. Way don't look dusty. They don't look like they've been neglected for decades. Even the creepiest judgy dolls. They should be dirtier. There are handwritten receipts from nineteen seventy nine in a neat stack on a desk. No dust to me the creepiest picture as the one with the metal chair with the final seat sitting a couple feet from vintage rusty of him with the door falling off. Why was someone sitting there. Why were they sitting so close to the oven. It's not like the gas was on. Maybe used the oven like a fireplace. Which i suppose you're squatting at the house and you don't want the neighbors to notice would be less conspicuous than using the actual fireplace. It's just a weird place to put a chair. You know but as you look closer at the vintage contents of the house you noticed that not all of it could have been there when the person's left in nineteen fifty-nine magazines from the nineteen sixties packaging from food that didn't exist in nineteen fifty nine It's likely that squatters would have used the house over the years. Some say that sex workers have brought clients there. But what's weird about that is wouldn't house have been in worse shape. Squatters are not really known for their tidiness. Generally speaking and don't get me wrong. The house is not tidy by any means. But it's also not. This house has been vacant and left to the whims of random. People messy usually were one fine squatters one finds graffiti dirty mattresses and like drug paraphernalia at the very least you think someone would have opened that god damn present. At some point there are close hanging on a line inside white clothes. They're not moth eaten or falling apart. Like you might think decades old clothes would be. It's like someone just hung them up and stepped out to get the mail to this day. No one seems to be sure of anything about the years. The house at twenty four seventy five glendower's sat empty like a shrine to some gruesome past. How some things collected data of dust and others remained remarkably clean. Why no one saw fit to move in or sell it. Why rudy held onto it from the time. Parents died in ninety four until his death. In two thousand fifteen there he was a music store manager sitting on a two point five million dollar fortune just letting it fade away really said he had no interest in selling it what he could have done with all that money. It's really strange. In two thousand sixteen. The house was finally put back on the market. After fifty years the realtors had their work cut out for them getting the house. Ready to be viewed. They did an incredible job. The floors look impeccable. Not a scratch not a scuff and. I can't imagine anyone forked over their own money to fix the house before selling it like i get maybe slapping on a new coat of paint or something but buffering and latching hardwood floors. I don't think so also there. In the master bedroom dr burleson bludgeoned his wife. To death is a remarkably intact totally not crumbling appealing stencil of a peacock in a tree. Honestly i would pay someone a lot of money for something like that anyway. Lisa bloom who you may know is harvey weinstein's former attorney who actively tried to protect him from rape allegations. She bought the house. Lisa bloom proceeded to gut the house for a complete overhaul renovation. That means all of the beautiful historic detail is gone and look. I'm no architect but it seems to me if you buy a gorgeous spanish revival from the nineteen twenties that probably doesn't need much more than some cosmetic work and a lot of saging you want to keep the historical integrity of the house. Not lisa bloom. Lisa was like get rid of all of it. But then oopsy. After stripping the whole house basically down to its foundation bloom claims she then found out that bringing the house up to code would be too expensive cool. Maybe next time check with the city before taking sledgehammer to a one hundred year old house anyway in twenty nineteen. The house was bought again by some people who began to chronicle their renovation journey on instagram. It was pretty cool to follow while it lasted. Their last post was on february eighth. Twenty twenty one rumor has it. Someone bought the rights to the story. Which i guess belonged to the new owners of the house. Who knew that buying an old house. Granted you ownership to all the things that may have happened inside it over the years. The good news is whoever bought. The rights will probably have a platform longer than a half hour podcasts. To tell the story. So maybe we'll finally find out all the nitty gritty details. The weird time capsule the house at twenty four. Seventy five glendower's became though something tells me the audience that goes to see a movie about a gruesome murder. Slash suicide is more interested in the gruesome murder slash suicide then in a multimillion dollar house in one of the nicest neighborhoods in los angeles sat empty collecting memories that we may never know the stories behind. Leave it to people like me and hopefully you to be like no no. No this is a story about a creepy house. And the two generations of a family who sat on riches and let them crumble and collect dust at the end of the day for people like us a man murdering his wife and killing himself is unfortunately not that strange and unexplained. And here's a cool addendum strangers. I got to tour the los angeles murder house last week. Stacey esteem ious creator of the new podcast miniseries the lows. Felise murder mansion. Gave me a private walk through with the new developers. I stood in the spot where dr burleson murdered his wife. Lillian i walked through the jack and jill bathroom. That connected the person's master bedroom to judy's room where dr burleson took the poison and into judy's room where he laid down one final time to die. I stood on this really creepy wrought iron balcony. Just off judy's old room. The balcony for some strange reason had an entire cage around it. The house really was stripped down to studs but there were some cool remnants of the original house there are ancient stickers seemingly permanent part of the closet doors in one of the younger kids rooms beautiful old icebox and the addict slash bar and rather ominously radiator from the pacific gas radiator company in huntington park california with a swastika at into to the gas knob. We'll post all the pics on our socials. Stacy told me that she interviewed rudy and rica's before he died and finally got an answer as to why neither he nor his parents ever moved into the house. She even tracked down judy. Stacey said the doctor and never intended to murder to younger children. She said he was enraged at his wife and oldest child for quote getting him into too much debt. Which is ironic since. He's the one that bought the house in the first place but sure. Blame it on the womenfolk. Anyway i highly recommend stacy's podcast los angeles murder mansion. Give it a listen for way. More information than i could fit in this episode or even knew about and to see what i missed also just a quick note on pronunciation as you heard i say los felices stacey says los villas. Both ways are correct. Los angelenos do tend to say los villas. But i did check with one of my native angelino friends. She said lustfully. This is perfectly acceptable. Enjoy next time on strange and unexplained with daisy. Eagan the seasonal hotel. A lisa lamb died there. Richard ramirez live there. But there are other stories you haven't heard about how the seasonal became one of the most infamous buildings in the united states. We have a lot of fascinating bizarre stories to share with you the season but we want to hear your episodes suggestions as well if you have an idea for something we should cover weather. It's a well-known case or something that happened in your town that the world hasn't heard about yet go to our website strange and unexplained pod dot com and fill out the contact form. This episode was written by me and researched by jess mackillop. A complete list of our sources for each episode is available on our website. Our episodes are mixed and edited by jennifer. Swatow our voice actor for this episode. Was luther creek. If you like our show please help us out by rating and reviewing us on apple podcasts. It's super helpful and follow us on instagram and twitter we are at s n pod and at daisy eagan and check out the strange and unexplained with daisy egan facebook group to join in the conversation.
139: Return to Dyatlov Pass
"Do you love a good story fantastic. Because each episode of storytime feature some of your favorite creators from youtube tiktok read it and beyond sharing their most hilarious horrifying and cringe inducing stories. Now peaking in. I realized that she is talking to the doll head every week. I your host will mcfadden deliver a hot fresh tasty tale directly to your ear earbuds and you don't even have to tip. Listen storytime every wednesday on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. the past revealed. I'm jason horton. I'm rebecca lieb and this is a ghost town nineteen fifty nine. The bodies of ten young students experienced hikers and skiers were found in bizarre and puzzling ways strewn over a forested mountain tap. Their deaths would remain a mystery until a week ago. I kid you not. This is the story of the die off pass so again starts in one thousand nine hundred fifty nine. There's a group of early twenty somethings. They're all in their early twenties from like twenty two twenty three to one thirty eight year old outlier to kind of lead them has a little bit more experience under his belt. And they all study at the euro polytechnical institute and it was an organized skiing expedition across the euro mountains in the soviet union. Eager deitz lov. Three year old radio engineer was kind of the leader who assembled everybody asking nine of his college friends. Eight men and two women to join up again. I'm sorry if i mispronounced names. I'm bound to do that. Even deitz love pass. Was his stretch for me so again. Apologies in any case. All of them were experienced great to hikers with lots of skiing experience. Also it was kind of going to be a high scoring hybrid trip. And when they returned all of them would be receiving their grade three hiking certification which is really impressive. It was the highest certification available in the soviet union and required candidates to climb over a hundred ninety miles. The route was designed by dight loves group to reach the far northern regions of spurred lofts oblast and approved by the sverdlovsk city. Route commission even though it was supposed to be the most difficult time to take that route. The goal of the expedition was to reach a tort in our which is a six point. Two mile high mountain semi-in terry of who is previously certified to go with another expedition of similar difficulty. Decided to go with the dice. Love group on twenty third of january nineteen fifty-nine semyon Law of yuri. D'oro anco ludmila duhniah yuri christmas chanko alexandra Love tov is a nedia. Colomer dorota rustam slobodan nikolai thebault bre goals alexander and your yudin all left on their expedition. The group arrive by train at dell small town in the middle of spare lofts ups done two days later then. They all took a truck to his high where they bought a bunch of bread and carb loaded for the next day's start when the actual hike would begin as they hiked one. Member your yudin. Who suffered from several health ailments. He had rheumatism. And a congenial heart defect decided to turn back his knees and joints for giving him a pretty hard time. It would be a decision that saved his life on january thirty first. The group arrive at the edge of a highland area and began to prepare for climbing. They secured food and equipment. There that would be used for when they would come back through the next day. The ten plan to get over the pass and make camp for the next night on the opposite side but bad conditions snowstorms and decreasing visibility. Made them lose their direction and push the group more west than they had planned when they realized that they were more west than they should be. Group decided to just set up camp right on the slope of the mountain rather than move a couple of miles downhill to a forested area. Which would have offered a little bit of shelter from the weather. Diaries and cameras founder on their last campsite possible to track the group's route up until this point which is really a really profound part of the story to see their writing and to see the pictures they had a camera. The film was developed after the fact so it feels very very spooky in that way and they're all so young and very positive and optimistic and really excited about each other. And the you know exploring the mountaintop the group had so much ahead of them and they talk about what they were studying and how that was significant to this expedition but unfortunately that night would be the last day that they would all be alive before leaving on the expedition. Dight love told the university sports club he would send telegram no later than february twelfth on the twelfth passed and no messages have been received there was no immediate reaction because it was pretty normal to encounter delays etc but on february twentieth. Travelers relatives demanded a rescue operation. And the head of the institute sent the first rescue groups consisting of volunteer students and teachers later the soviet army and military got involved sending planes and helicopters ordered to join the rescue efforts and february twenty six. The rescue team found the group's abandoned and badly damaged tent. The campsite was and this is a benchmark of this case incredibly baffling. The tent was half torn down and covered with snow. It was empty all the groups belongings and shoes had been left behind in the tent. It had been cut open from the inside. Nine sets of footprints left by people wearing only socks or a single shoe or even barefoot could be followed kind of leading down the edge of nearby would on the opposite side of the pass a mile away at the forest edge. Searchers found the remains of a small fire under a large pine tree and they also found the first two bodies. These were criven. Shaneco and doro schenk. Oh shoeless and dressed only in underwear. The branches on the tree were broken up to five meters. High suggesting that the twenty-three-year-old and twenty year old had climbed up to look for something or to observe something or maybe to get away from something between the pine tree and the camp. The searchers found three more bodies. Dight love camilo grover and slobodan who died in poses suggesting that they were attempting to return to the tent. They were founded distance of nine hundred and eighty thousand five hundred and two thousand feet from the tree with food in their stomachs from their last meal. Maybe six to eight hours from their time of death. A medical examination found no injuries that might lead to their deaths and it was concluded that they had all died of hypothermia slowed and had a small crack his skull. But it wasn't serious enough to be fatal. It took two more months to find the remaining for hikers on may fourth. They were found under thirteen feet of snow. In a ravine deep in the woods all four bodies appear to have soft tissue damage to their head and face all the bodies were really kind of charred looking at their skin had darkened which is a lot of theories around this that will will get to but perhaps excessive snow damage all for the bodies were better dressed than the others and there were signs at some clothing of those who died. I had been removed for use by these bodies people. The bodies were found to benigno was wearing cruickshank owes burned torn trousers and her left foot and shinwar wrapped in a torn jacket in may the narrative of the deaths being purely hypothermia had shifted. Three of the new bodies found had fatal injuries. Thebault knowle's had major skull. Damage to banana and zola. Try of had major chest factors to give you some perspective. The force required to cause that kind of bodily damage would have been more powerful than a car crash notably. The bodies had no external wounds associated with the bone fractures. It's as if they were pressurized from the inside out. for example dubina was missing. Her tongue is part of her lips as walls facial tissue and a fragment of her skull so atari off had his eyeballs missing and alexander colored data. Again apologize for mispronouncing. These names was missing his eyebrows. According to the coroner these injuries happened postmortem. Due to location of the bodies in the stream the temperature is really low. Negative thirteen to negative twenty. Two degrees fahrenheit insanely low with the storm blowing. The dead were only partially dressed. Some had only one shoe. Like i said some socks some wrapped in snips of ripped clothing. That seem to have been cut from other people. Also noteworthy and puzzling was some radiation was found around a couple of the bodies. The official conclusion was that the group members died because of a compelling natural force. that's a compelling natural force very ambiguous. The inquest officially ended in may nineteen fifty-nine as a result of the absence of any conclusion or guilty party. Really the files were sent into a secret soviet archive the death. Indict looked pass to become russia's most famous mystery or would it. We'll find out after this break support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. Saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. 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It's like a hey it's like you're not even twenty one yet. You don't look like you you you know what done within not the time nor the place. Oh take your marriage proposals okay. And you're wanting to invest in me personally with your how tech is going to be. It's rough that's rough. You know thank you. Don't like that you guys cut it out. Cut it out. He's losing sleep over this abuse. Oh just want to go back to russia. Yeah let's go back to this hot hot content and get to some cold cold mountain So we're back. We're on this mountain tablets review a couple of things that we covered before the break. So we have these ten bodies found on the mountain top six. The members have been classified as dying from hypothermia and three of fatal injuries. There were no indications of other people nearby on kalat psych hall the mountain the mountain range apart from these specific travelers. The tent had ripped open from within some victims died six to eight hours after their last meal. All of the hikers left the camp site on foot willingly without at least one shoe. Some levels of radiation were found in one or more of the victim's clothing. And what happened. What happened so of course in. This is one of those mysteries that is huge. When i started getting into true crime it was such a big part of my discovery of loving it. Because there's so much that could have happened up there. There's so much possibility it's so tragic. And so obscure and each of the little details will complicate things more than they bring clarity. So let's go through the theories and please jason wayne if you agree or disagree with them. Whatever so the first theory is yetis and that's the the most obscure theory probably not yetis. But i think part of it is the context of being that specific time and place of the fear of indigenous people. The mansi people were a reindeer herders located in the area and initially thought that the mansi people had attacked and murdered the group for being on their land. Several nancy were interrogated but the bodies and crime scene showed no sign of hand to hand struggle or there was evidence of people around them so that quickly fell off as a theory again. Unfortunate one in kind of cultural one. That i don't like number three a soviet secret. Weapons experiment mostly. Due to the unexplained radiation. The campsite fell within the path of a soviet parachute mine exercise. That's what a lot of people think that is unsubstantiated some that the hikers awakened by loud explosion fled the tent in a shula's panic and found themselves. Unable to go back get their things. After some members froze to death attempting to endure the others commandeered their clothing only to be fatally injured by subsequent parachute. Mine concussions another theory. There's records of parachute minds being tested. Also in that area by the soviet military around the time hikers were there parachute mines detonate while still in the air other than when they strike the earth's surface and produce injuries similar to those that were experienced by the hikers heavy internal damage. Not a lot of external trauma the theory coincides with reported sightings of glowing orange orbs floating are falling in the sky. Some people even go as far as to say the bodies within unnaturally manipulated by the government based on characteristics of the dead at the birds. The hair and skin that we talked about photographs of the tent allegedly show that it was pitched incorrectly. Which is another thing that a lot of people who like this theory latch onto experienced hikers. Wouldn't have incorrectly pitched a tent. A kind of an offshoot of this theory is that the soviet government was testing radiological weapons. And it's again based on the little bit of radio activity on some of the clothing and the descriptions the bodies but the radio activity would have affected all of the bodies not just one or maybe two and all of their clothes but reactivity would have affected all the bodies enclosed. Not just one or two. And the discoloration can be explained by months of exposure to the cold and wind by the late nineteen eighties. All of the love files had been released in some manner. So it's probably not a military cover. But what about those orbs a ufo. Cover up former police officer lev ivanov who led the official in question. Nineteen fifty-nine published an article in nineteen ninety admitting that the investigation team had no rational explanation for the incident. Y'all stated that after his team reported that they had seen flying spheres. He then received direct orders from high-ranking regional officials to dismiss this claim another group of hikers thirty one miles south of the incident reported that they saw strange orange spears to the north on the night that all of this happened. Similar spheres were observed in the i've dell and adjacent areas continually during the period from february to march nine fifty nine by various independent witnesses including a meteorology service and the military these sightings were noted in the nineteen fifty-nine investigation. These witnesses all came forward later. So it's interesting you cover up is more compelling than military cover up more compelling than some of the other theories out there. then there's the theory of infra sound. This was the one that was really walked. Through in donnie acres. Twenty thirteen book dead mountain. Which is where. I got a lot of this information and is incredible. Read if you want to know more if he wants to get really. I don't really get really personal into the histories. A lot of these people but it. It has a nice beautiful moving personal spin on everything that happened in the dialogue pass. So the wind going around qalat saikal created a karman vortex street which produces infra sound. That can cause panic attack in humans. According to the for some generated by the wind as it passed over the top of the mountain caused the huggers to completely freak out drive them to leave the tent and flee down the slope by the time they were down the hill. They would have regained composure. But in the darkness they would have been unable to return to their shelter and stumbled around injuring themselves till they froze to death. The sixth theory is canada. Wins or drainage winds is a window that carries high density air from a higher elevation down a slope under the force of gravity so a sudden cab attic wind would have made it impossible to remain in the tent. So the group would have sought shelter behind some kind of treeline. In twenty nineteen swedish russian expedition went to the site to investigate specifically that theory and proposed violent. Cata baddeck wind may have been the cause of incident. A similar thing happened in nineteen seventy eight or eight. Swedish hikers in a very similar conditions mountainside were killed and one was severely injured in the aftermath of a cab. Attic wind hypothermia is also theriot original hypothesis still perhaps true in in some cases but not in all cases but again. He doesn't answer the question of why they would leave their campsite. To begin with the last theory is an avalanche on july eleventh twenty twenty android kurokawa deputy head of the earls federal district directorate of the prosecutor. General's office announced an avalanche to be the official cause of death for the debt. Love group in nineteen fifty-nine. There are some reasons where this might have. There's still some evidence that says that maybe this is not the case someone who just read those over right here. The area didn't have signs an avalanche taking place over one hundred. Expeditions have been held since the incident. None reported conditions that might create an avalanche. If there's an avalanche its path would have gone past the tent. The tent had collapsed from the side. But not in a horizontal direction. Law was an experienced skier and much older of he was thirty. Eight versus the twenty-three-year-old dight love was studying for his masters certificate and ski instruction in mountain hiking. Neither would have made camp anywhere. If it was in the path of potential avalanche there much to experience that footprint patterns leading away from the tat were inconsistent with someone let alone a group of nine people running in panic from either real or imagined danger. All the footprints leading away from the tent and towards the woods were consistent with individuals who are walking at a normal pace and yet. Here's the official twenty nineteen twenty twenty narrative of the deaths of the data pass. This is taking into account the weather that was originally underestimated by the nineteen fifty-nine investigators in february i. The group arrives in cola cycle mountain and pitches large nine person tent on an open slope on that day and a few days later heavy snowfall continued with strong wind and frost digging a tent site into the snow. Weakens the snow base during the night. The snowfield above the tent starts to slide down slowly under the weight of the new snow gradually pushing on the tenth fabric starting from the entrance. The group wakes up starts evacuation panic with only some able to put on warm clothes with the entrance blocked. The group escape through a hole cut. In the tent. Fabric and descends the slope to find a place perceived of a safe from avalanche may be fifteen hundred feet town at the forest border. Because some of the members don't have clothing the group splits two of the group members only in their underwear jama's die from hypothermia. Three hikers including law. Try to get back in this tent. Maybe get some sleeping bags for warmth there close than those in the firepit that still no shoes and not anything. That was nearly warm enough. Their bodies were found at various distances from the campfire imposes suggesting that they had fallen exhausted. We'll try to climb in the deep snow in extremely cold weather. The remaining four equipped with warm clothing and footwear. Were trying to find or build a better camping place. In the forest. Further down the slope their injuries came from falling into a snow hole. Formed above a stream negligence of the nineteen fifty-nine investigators to the report creating more questions than answers and inspiring as we went through numerous numerous theories about why this happened. So those are really the primary theories around it. But before i get to the new update which happened on february second. This is very new. I just wanna ask. What do you think. It's i feel like i just think back to like nineteen fifty-nine doesn't seem that long ago that they would have more answers because i feel like a lot of circumstances have probably happened to understand what could have happened. Yeah when you think like okay. We're going to you know. What are the dangers of us. Going camping and skiing and climbing. I feel like all those things are probably already determined unless use it like yetis or something like yeah or. Ufo's take the account. I feel like it should be easily answered because people have been climbing in snow for years years years years and i feel like there really should be no question on what happening though. It's extremely odd. But it should be easy to figure out what happened to nine people in one spot over. Probably a short amount of time and like you said the lack of quality investigation. Is that possible. you know. Talk about of the secrecy of russia. There's a little bit of that And you're talking about the euro mountains my very recently very into secret soviet towns and cities. Yeah baby there was one definitely episode. That's where i was looking at. I can't find a tiny information. We know a good amount out. There is one that is in the euro mountains and it's very secretive and what happens there but there is somewhat of a connection. There's somewhat of a connection from what you're talking about with radiation now secrecy and stuff mountains and these secret soviet cities or not allowed in total. You don't go there like you can't please. you cannot go. Yeah and that makes sense. Making fifty nine information is extremely powerful and there is a lot of of paranoia when it to that kind of stuff so it kind of makes sense that things have been incomplete for so long but so many will talk about this It's like hey it's only been forty plus years. We want answers now if people didn't write books and talk about i think we're talking about it and so forth and so on would they even bother. Yeah probably not what they'd be like. We wish really figure this out. It'd be like well. It's going to pass the point and it does feel like you know. There's a lot of living relatives of these people that have died and it is. It's so tied to the time and place this mystery and the deaths of these young people that i think it's does it. It really ties into the allure of russia. At the time what was happening. The you know just a bunch of young people dying. I think all the details. And i think really i mean in my opinion and even after the update which will get to. I think it's it can also be a combination of things to that also does exist. It's not just like one thing or another thing so weeks ago. One of russia's greatest mysteries kind of solved amazing so exciting. A lot of people were talking about it. It was solved with the help of disney's frozen if you can believe it. So you'll han. Gum had a swiss federal technical institute named the snow. Avalanche simulation laboratory was struck by how l. the movement of snow was depicted in disney's frozen. So he hit up the animators. Who worked on it for the code to use it to help him in his work following a trip to hollywood. He modified the film snow animation code for his avalanche simulation models to simulate the impacts that avalanches would have on human body researchers were able to create a simulation of the chola cycle avalanche. If again if it was an avalanche gown worked on the project with alexander. Puzder in a geotechnical engineer at t. zurich. The simulation showed that block of snow. On the kola saikal could quote handily break the ribs and skulls of people in its path based on their findings they have concluded that a quote bizarrely small delayed avalanche called a slab avalanche so a specific avalanche type. May well be the solution to what happened on that mountain. The slab avalanches hours-long delay. Would explain why it didn't sweep way. The hikers when they first cut into the mountain slope to pitch their tent and its relatively small size but account for why didn't leave behind the typical signs of an avalanche. But it still would have moved quickly slamming into the hikers tent with force of speeding. Suv the impact would explain why several behind suffered severe injuries as well. Why the group frantically cut their way out of the tent and fled in such an unprepared state. The fact that the group was sleeping on top of their skis would further increase the impact by pinning them between the avalanche. The hard surface of the skis. The things like missing tongue or eyeballs. They say was probably animals coming in after the fact when the snow is melting a lot of snow damage. So that again. It's what might explain for those those other details that were are very morbid and gripping part of the case but that kind of is now thought to be the answer to what happened to these hikers and it makes sense really interesting how that technology came about and how is utilized which is kind of a positive upswing to a leat tragic story and realize frozen so dark.
127: The Dear David Ghost
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Your car comes with a seven day return policy so grab a seat relax comfy pants and enjoy the new way to buy a car at cartagena ghost in the machine. I'm rebecca lieb. I'm jason horton and this is ghost town on august seventh at eight thirty five. Am adam ellis tweeted his followers so my apartment is currently being haunted by the ghost of a dead child. And he's trying to kill me. This is the story of the deer. David ghost oh boy. This is something that was very into for a very long time. And i have a lot of opinions about and i think if you're listening to this right now you probably are somewhat familiar with it. But if you're not i think going into it with an open mind also maybe as you're listening to this checking out his social media twitter instagram specifically. We've been talking about doing for mix. We're trying to do more ghost things but there's really only so many out there that kind of jump out at being interesting because it's inherently repetitive additive and a lot of skepticism that comes with it. Yeah i think so that being said if you have any recommendations were always love them would be welcome them into our lives. But this one yeah. This one is really interesting. And not only to haunting. 's but he think to someone social media presence the idea of creating a story. I always think about it in the same realm as slender man for me. Because you're like what is real. What is not real what you believe. And what do you use to communicate this to others. This would be somewhat akin to the facebook ghost brought to the table. that's right. that was a good one. That one creepy. So this one is. We're gonna find something along those lines but a lot more details in but also a lot more. Cynicism might come with it. yeah. I think it's it seems very polished when we also this when we talk about haunted ghost things. It's a lot of we've collected from different places and new stories in pictures. Whatever this is a one stop shop you get the information from atom ellis gets out to you and there's no middleman so that means that he's able to curate this and you probably already know work kind of ice ban on this but it's also very interesting. Someone would have to come forward and say hey when he was really going through this. He contacted me reached out looking for solace and that could be part of. Yeah the game yet. Who's you don't know or and as far as have trust me. I've looked to see anyone come out and be like listen. I know this dude. He had me come over. 'cause there's a lot of audio and video evidence. Yeah but it's all through him. It's not accused being reported on except through his own vehicle. So no that with that said it is pretty compelling. I went through all the tweets. Definitely only really. The story comes from those gases. It all comes from a time line. That is really compelling really interesting well done and it seems both intentional and also not intention. Yeah he does a great job of relaying this information in this story and having the rebuttals to people that have said. Hey this is doesn't seem real Yeah definitely definitely. It's great but the thing is he doesn't want to go down in history as the first person ally in the internet. Not him not today. Not in two thousand seventeen like no one had lied on the internet. No one will try to dupe. Anyone gain anything from it He wanted to really take a mainstream honest route with this so he doesn't want to be the first You don't wanna be the first to say. Hey checkout patriot dot com slash ghost town. Pa never gonna be the first to say that for bonus episodes early access with no ad working. We have a bonus soda out. Should be this week. Yeah we're on this week. That holidays are coming up. Rebecca's going out of town and a lot in but i wanted to patriot dot com slash. Goes down pod early on because it helps keep this going. Yeah it's a good thing. It's a beautiful good thing. The initial tweet received over eighty one thousand likes and fifty three thousand retweets and that was only the beginning rebecca Mystery of the deer. David ghost thin truest story ever to be told he started appearing in dreams. But i think he's crossed over into the real world. Now we at the that the first time. Dear david appeared. I'm assuming the main character not atom. Ellis is dear. David is. Yeah that i save rabinowitz or anything like that. No david wayne. Rabinowitz david wing. Which is a compliment. It is a compliment definitely. Oh hell david yeah. Love david wayne. Definitely but also these tweets first tweets that you just read to us already out the gate. We're getting sensational locking you in. I think this is kind of the same same gravitation to people that say on an airplane and they see someone being weird on airplane and they're giving us that real time updates and you're kind of falling that real did slag. They're taking off their shoes. Oh my god. They're taking up their socks. Yeah you're there with them and that's really. I think part of the strength of this too is that you dissect every little tweet as it comes to you. Adam ellis was experiencing sleep paralysis. Which is terrifying. And that's yeah you've done it. You've had sleep issues my whole life and i haven't had that in a while but i have in my life and also i had when i was wide awake. Weird things happened talked about. Yeah maybe not a twitter thread mud definitely two minute conversation worthy. Oh at least ninety seconds. Yeah oh i definitely fair. Maximum ninety seconds but he saw a ghost child sitting in the green rocking chair at the end of his bed. Starters don't have a rocking chair at the end of your bed for movies. Like insidious or the omen absolutely. Why do you have a rocking chair. Now how old are you also to give you some background. This cartoonist. Who writes in i. Freelance i forget exactly what it is. I think what he's is claim to fame alaska articles. But he's not like he's like in a screenwriter or is a horror aficionado he's just known as an animator. Yeah i think that's what kind of helps his case that he probably has. Obviously a creative brain understands the internet understands what's compelling but we're helps for him to be like his writing my fourth horror novel and this thing happens then you'd be like well. yeah relax. yeah absolutely. He had a huge misshapen head. That was dented. on one side. I did my best to draw it. And then he has drawn the drawing which is a pretty scary scary. It's very scary. I mean the idea of like a gigantic headed ghost boy but the head is kind of came in little bug eyes. Looks like more doll gerry right. Before he reached my bed. I woke up screaming. He had another dream a few nights later where he was in a library and a girl came up to him. And said you've seen gear. David haven't you. She continued he's dead. He only appears at midnight. And you can ask them questions if you say oh those my heater slash is dear david here in my heater slash green rocking chair. Okay you can ask okay. I'm just just seeing the answering out there. You can ask him to questions. If you say dear david. I kind of bloody mary definitely in the vernacular of haunted ghost games. But of course there's a caveat. Oh then she added but never try to ask him a third question or he'll kill you what it's like. How how who's supposed to know that. This girl came to the library dream girl. He had another dream in a library. And he's like this is. This is a washed art. The dewey decimal. That's right that's right. Fourteen overdue books. I have seventy two dollars worth of fees and mytalk. I'm frozen with fear. I asked who pushed the shelf. David doesn't answer. I realize i've asked the third question which i'm not supposed to do at that point. I wake up absolutely terrified. Oh boy so these are. There's a lot of tweets. I'm not read every single tweet. I'm just kind of going through what has gone on over the course of four months. Yeah look in april to december twenty seventeen and then it goes into two thousand eighteen but the bulk of it happens then. And i'll add probably the thing that makes which he points out as well is that it's not a constant flow. Information will happen a few days off than maybe a week off and then he says this was fake. When i constantly be doing this and i was like. But that's exactly what somebody who wanted to seem real exactly that so exactly. Don't say that. Relax yeah you're doing exactly what we expect to happen. But it does help yeah. It's an constantly jumping on every single day. You intermittent reinforcement with something that people are like really interested in just kind of feeds beast of that too and also the giving and then kind of taking away people wondering what happened to this person. Yeah and then they show up again. You like oh good. I've been waiting to find out. It's that it's almost like that kind of before the internet in being easy connect with people that kind flaky person that comes in and out of your life yet when we're having yeah when they're back. It's like a heightened sense of like. Oh my god. it's so cool gallatin whatever and then slowly you realize that. They're the same person they were when they left before mom so at one point the apartment above him was empty. So he's like removing. There was bigger better cheaper and another month goes by and he forgets about david He thinks he's lost track of him. Sure he's wrong wrong again. And then he says but lately something strange is happening for the past four nights. My cats gather at the front door at exactly midnight and just stare at almost like something that the other side we have. Cats cats cat staring at doors. Especially if you're on the bathroom out there. Yeah it's cats are very intuitive to maybe the beyond yeah but they are then acting like that is not completely strange. No i mean. They're a wealth of inexplicable actions. Cats can you fake that. Could you have some of the other end of the door with cat food. Sure i mean there's ways to you're not seeing again like you said it's through hearing it's yeah and again that's also fine. Is it anyone. Is he asking people to like. Please down the door going on. Yeah no not really hurting anybody And he really uses cats to as kind of a a metric for the ghost minus two cats time. Things happening a certain time classic in arm. Yeah yeah which ing outwardly. our Kind of hitting all those points but not too hard over the head. Exact but enough. Where i think it triggers something in us and be like. Oh that is inherently scary. No on its own. Maybe it isn't but we know that it is. Yeah when you mix it up with all these other things like the rules. Kind of do of the legwork heavy lifting will open the door and turn on the hall light nothing was there but my cat seemed unnerved bushy tails etc and. That's where i'm at right now. dear. David found me. I think i don't know what to do. I'll keep you updated and then there's a video of his catt what's up. Yeah as a my notes radio and there's not audio nothing really plays. You'd have to go through his twitter feed. That's only getting notes. You can check it out and follow it in kind of see what's going on kind of a lot happening and he's kind of laying out this thing. That just suddenly happened. He's reporting to everybody. He is trying to unpack it. He's now a piece it all together with us in some kind of real time in everyone hanging on it. Yeah definitely. I mean it's a great read and the more you go through it. The more you collect these pieces of evidence these videos these pictures. These photographs and the tweets themselves have more meaning and as i was researching. This is going to the time lying. Also trying to poke holes in stories. I'm kind of trying to play that thing. I'm trying to find out like okay. What's the what's the rub here. And it is regardless of all that it is it unfolds in a very effective way. Were eight six that when he let his followers know that he's going to try out a sleep app to see if you can catch any activity during the night. I guess you put on your sleeping catch us. Noise picks up saying yeah movement to maybe and that always sounds like a great idea. But that'd be to to. He acts like you're something that could be one of a million things that every time you go to bed. You're like is it going to be that frankly live here. You know and this is again part of the reason. Why i'm like oh god like he so and he talks about being terrified and others. A big part of what goes on a trip and things happened. But you know it's like to be so curious and to kind of delve deeper place to live live without seemingly the help of anyone answer support system means why. I don't know the history of the place that i live. I don't wanna know it's scary. It's an old place and then he went on vacation As you said. And then he took some polaroid's that came out black no matter where he took them and he kind of compare them side by side so he he has all these samples of things and to the way he's explaining makes total sense but there's no again no third party. There's nothing to compare it to. He's just like this to happen and look it happened. Yeah and then you're showing it to us and you're kinda like okay. That's weird you're right you're not. The videos are always you know. It's what paranormal activity can differ also which defer us in movies and found footage and reality tv to certain extent depending on what that is a kind of all those things. Even though those movies came out you know witch up twenty plus years ago still works still has become part of what fear and horror and tension is definitely the one part in the blair witch when they take a little break. Oh yeah that part support for this podcast comes from. Cdw enciso modern modernisation. Today has the products you need to modernize your workplace like wifi booster. Crystals let their metaphysical powers enhanced. Connectivity and spiritually awakened your internet of things at cdw we get crystals modernize your network. You need cisco catalyst access points that are wide by six. Compatible can help you improve. Reliability increased capacity and reduced latency cisco and it orchestration by cdw people who get find out more cdw dot com slash iskoe. 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I have not seen another human being besides jason in a very long time twitter link. Oh twitter we're go back to new york city home of the bagel spaghetti meatballs. Yeah i'm walking here. And then he had another creepy dream. He didn't think much of it will go took a shower and then noticed something. He woken up with a huge bruise on his arm from david grabbing him again. Another movie thing a nightmare on elm street shore and who knows what that is or die. I mean if you have nightmares would you possibly grab your own arm hat and do that to yourself. Maybe or it's the beyond. Yeah and i think that voted to gets dissected ally or does it look like fingers or clause or you know whatever although i think we've all wake awakened with bruises on our body even pondered that he may have injured himself during the day and for god and dull pain may have manifested in the dream. So he within the story is and we've seen this especially comes to haunting where somebody in the family will still be like. No still even though all this crazy stuff happening and we love the book and movies are coming out. We're getting a lot of attention. I still think something's fishing very classic. Move sure and this is toned too. Which i find incredibly obnoxious but also again it works. It's very compelling where he's like it could have been this thing right and then he makes like a much more subtle in more dramatic leap that it goes. There could have been a totally logical explanation for it so i brushed it off to go get coffee. Oh no l. coffee break okay. Which i do every weekend we coffee. That's weird every week. I think it has a lot of selfish with coffee. The coffee business would be out of business if people just only got it on the weekend and it was completely abnormal to get it on a tuesday for new york city new york city. We can coffee the pizza coffee. You wanna coffee so there was a place where he gets coffee and i think it's a they repair carts or something like that. I think it a repair place again. Be very robust amount of tweets and just took notes on them. He noted that the place was abandoned except for one green rocking chair. Oh no and then. He started getting the phone calls. The kept saying hey it's at and t. Haven't paid your bill. But he knew it was dear. It's the ghost ghost and so the the phone calls. I guess were kind of abrupt and a lot even for what he was used to allegedly. He assumed was a telemarketer and he says usually it's an automated thing you answer once. They quit calling. So i picked up. I kept listening. I heard what i thought was breathing but it was so faint. I can't be sure. My heart was racing so it was hard to hear then. Just i was about to hang up. I heard a very small voice. Whisper and his cat would sit up on his hind legs and pure around the room as if he's looking for something or looking at something and there are photos and videos of the cat doing and have seen that done yes. Cats are so weird. They're weirdos your total and complete from your does but it's probably the thing that i most they sent something other than what is seen whereas traditionally movies i. I'm not a huge dog person. Nine expert but dogs the if grits and smell or they insensitive. Somebody's out. There and cats are like somebody's here but there from thirteen eighty six. Yeah that kind of catherine strange superpower cats have a really a great vehicle for the story is a cat because they. I can't tell you how many times. I've walked into a room where my cat is sitting staring at the wall. It can be very creepy very easily although the phone call and the cat. It's a lot for me personally. And then there's a final video record that night again these videos they say it's one thing you can kind of see some stuff. It's twenty seventeen so it's not like well. It technology was not there to create any kind of whatever narrative you're trying to create and people that are what i found is people that are are good at understanding. Audio-video can look at something. Where's i never look at something like. Oh that's definitely photo shopped. Or you can tell that this has been swapped out for something else and it's so seemless at only somebody who works on that kind of stuff like an editor and audio engineer could hear that Hard to say. Yeah but then another dream. Now we're in september or alex month and a half in. I guess he saw deer david with the head yet in horrified a screamed. What happened to you. The head smiled even bigger. It feels great. The head groaned. Then he left for japan and dear david seemingly tagged along for the ride he appeared in a statue in the center of sapporo eye looked at it. I was like i'm a and upon else's returned to his apartment. He noticing trinity was on the fritz New york city power city. It all runs on spaghetti meatballs. I two bulbs have burnt down the hallway and listen a week. He tweeted the tv has to be on order for the back. Light to be on. Ellis explained but last night the back light was flickering and off by itself. Whenever i don't understand why the tvs out. Get where that has happened but okay. Did you need to flicker for awhile before eventually. Just going dead later that morning ellis hurt scratches coming from behind the front door. Who's to free to look through the people. The photo taken through the peephole revealed distorted face ellison eye and ear pressed against the whole e could be like a nosy neighbor. Being what is going on in there or just a shadow you know like orders to nose looking through people is usually a pretty. I mean the way it's magnified is kind of odd. I wouldn't necessarily trust a photo with you. Know an iphone. Six -sarily then. He went silent for the next few weeks as he took meetings for movie deals. Yep that's right now. let's listen. He was just around just goes around. The internet. thought dear. David had off to him. else came back to twitter and explain that a friend had come over and cleanses apartment and the ritual seemingly worked sage little salt around the doors agent salzone sage. Only strange occurrence was at ellis. Walk past the empty warehouse and found this. Okay so this is where get to the warehouse. I try to put out of my mind. The next several days eventful but something happened last night around eleven or so when i was watching. Tv on the couch. By the beginning of november ellis started dreaming about your david again in the dream. I saw him in a chair again. I don't have the green chair my room anymore. This time it was a recliner have had for years. How will you just take all the chairs you sit on is that what are we doing here. Again he was paralyzed except for his hands. Knowing what david was about to do ellis reach first phone in the dream sure enough david began to shamil towards ellis shamil. Shimmy shake eventually reaching his bedside. He started muttering something to quite from. Understand ellis wrote. I washed his eyes. Roll back in his head until they were all white but then else realize something. He went to his phone hours. After waking up notice he had taken dozens of photos all of which were seemingly pitch-black. It's better just to show you. He tweeted turn brightness because they're pretty dark something clearly was there l. was not alone. It was his friend. Dan who's helping out taking the i guy was doctoring. Who's do black blackbox theatre is agent. Endear david was real and clearly wasn't just in the dream clearly clear clearly. It's very clear it makes all the sense in the world after sharing. These photos ellison quiet on twitter again. He only returned to report. He discovered an odd secret area and his apartment. He thought he heard something. Drop something upstairs but this would be impossible because not only does he live on the top floor apartment building. There's also no access to the roof or so. He thought also secret area in a new york city apartment. A studio one bedroom. Whatever come on. That's where they keep the pasta a new york based assets the pasta room. The hatch can lead to the roof. Because it's actually below the roof. ls tweeted. I'm about to spring some simple math unusual apologize in advance. Basically there's definitely a crawlspace above else's apartment and he had been hearing movement up there for the past few days. He decided to buy a poll on amazon. Opened the door and check out what the heck was up there. Don't why the unplug in their bought it from amazon dot com or retailer for polls affiliate on there. You need a pole. Yeah can like why. I mean just tells us you've got to his life for me. That reads i'm normal. I bought something on amazon. Normal guy just doing normal stuff. This go around amazon prime see. It's today's so he was like sums up. They're gotta to wait for this poll because we're gonna pull in data of new york city new york size built on poles. Does anyone have a broom within. Twenty city blocks bodega. There's on a woman with a broom sweeping who would gladly let you borrow it. The ghost bruce specifically for checking latches. Expensive it's not bad stink wrecked to check out what the heck was out. There was like dicta- you don't buy something on amazon. We two days was up. There is like well. It's cheaper for two weeks so he goes all the way out. Yeah eventually by november twenty eighth. We had some answers. The crash happened again and then again probably fifteen times in a row followed by a long silence. L. tweeted then. I heard a smaller creaky sound from the hallway. He then noticed that someone was seemingly caught in the hatch. The poll was put to work getting his money's worth and then he pushed the poll up their personal up. Grab something out. There was an old childs shoe like a nineteen twenties. Oh hours later my landlords on the ladder shining a flashlight into the crawlspace ellis tweeted. He angled his flashlight. All around. and finally saying there's nothing up here but then the landlord found a marble. Of course tomorrow a marlow timing marvel. That's right the days of stickball hoop toy again without much else when quiet until december not much happened in the past few weeks as sort of fool myself into thinking that finding those items in the attic somehow ended all this now that that would make much sense. It was a feeling i'm used to it. Always accompanies david. He added not being able to do much else let alone the next night. The same feeling crept in. He needed to monitor. What exactly was going on around him and he download an ethics photo every sixty seconds and he said his phone on top of bookcase which is seven feet tall a good view of his bed and then he went to sleep is a december two thousand seventeen seven twenty seventeen and then it snaps a bunch of photos and the cat seems to be staring at the ceiling and then whatever was on the bed inches from me staring down to be sleeping. You're david the next one is worse than the next photo. He staring right at the camera. I'm gonna loss for words. He tweeted the mouth formed ear the stringy hair. I don't even know what to think. Ellis decided to visit family for the holidays and get out of the apartment for a while. Although he began to feel better once he was out of the city else realized he had been followed tracks in the snow. Ghost is persistent for. Everyone asks me if i'm alive. I'm doing okay. In pre quite around. Here lately i've been trying to focus on work the screenplay that i sold about this that i'm talking about so keep tweeting it. Could you can leverage more. Come on me if you do that. Of course we'll keep you updated or anything strange happens but for now. I'm staying busy withdrawing and other projects you scored a movie deal his viral social media. Go storied your david and real. Yeah so it's worth their a couple other tweets though where there's a lot of the tweet i mean. There's it's like dear dear david daniel. I get them. Confused takes over. And they're like dissecting the tweets of him taking over like some against like way after the fact and we in facebook goes. I think you said you speculated on the wasn't the guy who's actually giving the narrative that it was actually the the guy is the one who died in her so it's you know a thing words switching over yeah. I've never been interested in convincing. Anyone that goes for real. I just wanna tell my story. Ellis told the wrap sure if it was all fiction. I probably just updated more than once every couple of weeks. Okay i mean convenient. It's like oh if. I didn't want you to believe this. I would have done it in a less believable way. Yeah why it's it's like when people say something like well. If i had done that this and it's like that's really for someone else to say. You should have like a publicist do that. Yeah i looked on ready for a lot of people. Is it a hoax and again. It is what it is. A lot of people assist special. You mentioned before a lot of people who are very savvy technologically will of dissect the stuff that he's posted on twitter stuff like that. I find his comics to be pretty obnoxious. I think he's a lot of sell fees. Lot of glossy i my vibe from his social media aside from this is very like proud very self-satisfied kind of like i think i'm pretty great and pretty handsome and also it's like i don't need to reference that i had viral tweet but no yeah you know that's always kind of happening. But i just mentioned going out for a jog exactly and all of this all of his like comics like a handsome cat guy so like i don't know life's crazy right. So that's what i have my backdrop of of this narrative that being said i think it's really compelling. It's really interesting. I love this type of storytelling but like where where does it start. When is an end to is clearly prophet profiting off of it. He's got a he's got a movie deal in the works about it so somebody. I'm ready to a strange turn of events. It appears that adam imagined quote david early this year in a cartoony posted to a series for buzzfeed cold alternative disney. The post on buzzfeed has since been removed and the google image search only returns riposte of it. That were downloaded and re uploaded to a third party means site. Earliest can sources march twenty seventeen. All this happened. Yeah so the photo that he showed very interesting. They had already existed. It's like if you were. you should have. Maybe yeah that goes getting mad. Goes getting mad. You can't stop. And jason leaves and i'm here alone and some of it's a hoax is trying to promote his new cartoon character series. He joined a youtuber. From venezuela to achieve master bution of the urban legend. So people have that are as much as he thinks he's cover all his bases there. Are people out there. That are so good at finding information and extracting things probably faster than he can as a buzzfeed person who's creative where these people. It's their job to understand the internet. I've worked with people that are like they're just younger. They're just more savvy. They know how to extract information. Quicker people doing research and and i have a feeling. He didn't account his his social media. Footprint was not one hundred percent accounted for. Yeah so it just so happened. There's a here here's a reference to what this dude looks like. It looks strikingly similar to the exact same thing. I did six seven months ago before this happened but that is just life imitating art. I guess yeah so likely what. The story is what he has. Drawing writer he has cartoon. He's that's an interesting character. Shade you something else. Based on this characteristic. Oh yes i should. I'm going to create this narrative around this character. Quick erase that information. We're going to really run with this gonna get help from people. I'm going to hit all the tropes. I wonder if he who like listen. You are a writer or you've right. Written fiction had what's the story here with this. How can i go with this. And the thing is like why would i wait every couple of weeks because it takes time to crap something. Yeah it was something big and it only benefits you to have that silent treatment. Yeah but it also gives you time to come back with the next thing and keep it a regular. Keep everyone kind of frayed. Yeah you're also going off of the feedback from the last thing you just because it was like if people were burnt out by a pocket he. He's like oh well he's like psi. There's actually there's no loss to him now on the internet. There's no loss to like. I posted a job. Nobody cared a podcast episode. Nobody cared that's right over two hundred episodes of a podcast care. Nobody cares yeah. We're we're supposed to care beco- that shouldn't not in the middle of a you know you're in this podcast for hate. I'm here am i in my own dream. Where's my cell phone my cellular phone.