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The. From ABC. This is the ten percent, happier podcast. Dan, harris. Our kids. We're gonna get weird on this podcast. We're talking space and the connection to perspective and happiness and meditation with our guest, Loretta idel, go white sides. That's coming up. I some lightning-quick light speed quick orders of business. The first order of businesses that we've got to new meditations up on the ten percent happier app. One of them is about stress, and it's from the excellent new addition to our relatively new addition to our app, Diana Winston, the other is on patients, and that's from seven eight Selassie. Who's a ten percent happier up veteran and one of our most popular teachers. So check those out the other item of business is that. And if you've listened in the last couple of weeks, you know, this the voicemails that we had been doing at the beginning of the show. They've now moved to the end of the show. So your voicemails are still here, but they're moved to different spots. So that's coming up. Let's get straight to our guest the forementioned, Loretta idel, go white size. She has quite a CV. She is an Astro biologist. She teaches leadership and development as well. As mindfulness to the staff at virgin, galactic. She will explain better than I can what virgin galactic is. But it's pretty damn interesting. And she began meditating she's been added for a while she started in high school, and she still at it. And in fact, teaching it, and she's gonna talk a lot about the importance of teaching meditation to the folks working on space exploration because they're going to be creating a whole new culture in space, and that mission we really want that for the future. Verse species to be successful. She talks a lot about her own personal practice. The HOV lane affect the power of sitting in a in a group. She's she talks a lot about what space exploration driven now by private companies. Like virgin, galactic is likely. What it's likely to look like and feel. Like and with all these people living and working in outer space in the I think not too distant future. And she talks about the concept of the new right stuff. The new right stuff. Remember, the movie the right stuff about astronauts, the new right stuff? That's what the banner under which she teaches. Which is a fascinating one lots of lessons to be learned for all of us. She really believes that space and mindfulness have the power to expand our minds and help us grow as a species, which sounds a little grandiose. But I think you're gonna find her arguments really compelling. I mentioned that she's got a really interesting CV just a few other points on this. This is just a partial list of things she's done. She's researched plant life into Canadian Arctic with NASA, she dove to the bottom of the ocean with the director of Titanic James Cameron for the I max film aliens of the deep. She's floated weightless hundreds of times as a flight director for the zero gravity corporation. She studied tariff on. Coming Mars with Dr Chris McKay of NASA Ames, she and her husband, George Whiteside. Who's the CEO of virgin galactic plan to travel to space on virgin, galactic sub orbital orbital space ship unity sometime this year, she and her husband live in the desert outside of Los Angeles with their two kids, and I think you can tell from all of the foregoing that she's incredibly cool and interesting. And now you'll be able to hear her for yourself. One quick note before I let her take over we recorded this a couple of months ago. So there are a few outdated references, for example, she talks about the anniversary of Apollo eight and the first picture of earth from the moon. She says that it's coming up on Christmas Eve that's a reference to the Christmas Eve that has just passed so apologize for the dated reference. But I have nothing else to apologize for because this is an excellent episode. So here we go Loretta idel white size. Thank you for doing this. My pleasure. Nice to meet you having me. It's have you. So so I always start with the same question, which is had had you get into meditation. Well, I'm really lucky I went to of really I now realize was a very progressive Catholic school in northern California. And I remember in high school, you know, sister Lillian, which is tickets to the chapel he moves the chairs out of the way lay down on the carpet, and she would do guided meditations for us and start that was normal. It's just what you do to connect with God or the cosmos. So she would infuse it with some religious content. I don't think so necessarily it was more like a a body check in like let your arms relax, your filling sand like that kind of thing. And we, you know, we did retreats, and you know, you go to the Christian brothers retreat center, and we'd spent three days like connecting and talking with each other about our fears, and you know, what's in the way of our relationships, and it was just a really sacred extrordinary connected authentic space, and it was till I got to college. I was like, oh everybody else doesn't do that. Oh, okay. Where did you go to school Stanford stayed in northern California? But this difference. I mean, I guess my parents met and married. It's never admit school. Open. The seals shared a cadaver true story. I know it's really romantic they there, but my images of Stanford. I've never spent any time. There are pretty touchy feely hippie issue because my parents were hippies in this was the late sixties. But I don't know how sorry my hip parents were hippies. And this was the late sixties I say that correctly. I don't know anyway. But but, but when you were there what it was a much more hard-driving place. It wasn't. So, you know, let's meditate and talk about our feelings. Good question. I mean, there's a little bit of it, you know, freshman orientation, you'd have you know, everyone stands in a line. Like if your parents are divorced step forward. You had that kind of thing. And we had great classes like if your parents divorced forward, if you've endured a trauma in your life step forward. They're showing how many people of going into shares feel a connection with other people in the class and get to know people on a deeper level. But yeah, I mean, it's just it was just a in contrast to what where I had been. It just seemed like a very secular environment and very academic environment. I just didn't wasn't used to. So you did you keep meditating when you left high school or lapse lapse a big, you know, there wasn't. I didn't have a structure around me. And and I only now in later life. I appreciate like how much structure supports you. But when I got out of school, I went I went down to Houston Johnson Space Center. That's where you go. Obviously love space. By this point that you loved space essence, I was six years old. I've known that that was whereas going up. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Radio. A space headed towards space. But so I went to Houston. Mecca Johnson Space Center. Nasa's Johnson Space center, and I had I got a repetitive strain injury from the old IBM's computers typing. And so I went to yoga there and the the yoga instructor was phenomenal. She still still like twenty five years later like all the yoga instructors, I have to how do they rank to relent? But she would do, you know got imitation at the end of every class, and it was just lowly like just in Vientiane boss nine just like relax or she'd have a setup and we'd had mantra which was like, you know, breathing in I call my body breathing out, I smile, which always thought was a nice. A beautiful way to. A lot of Chevanton. My limited yoga experiences, just you know, live there. There's no real instruction the mom like thinking about lunch. It must've been like a a meta, you know, weekend meditation retreat, or some extra thing I had done beyond just regular class. But yeah, just so that was helpful to have her. You know, give us some other tools, and then I came back to in later life just on my own more recently like taking on a practice. What's look the practice? My intention is to sit every morning when I wake up try to get up a little before the kids. So the house is a look six eight. Okay. You're in it. So. Yeah. So part of it was like I need to learn needed. Get my act together to be able to be present with my kids and not just like. I hear you. Like that this morning. Yeah. Every morning. Yeah. Well, I don't have a car, and I don't have six or eight year old a three year old, and he just wasn't listening. And so I wanted the them. Oh, yeah. I didn't actually walked over gotten his face. It said I love you. But you have to do this thing getting a stroller. And I said I'll put you in nicely or you can get in yourself. I put him down any went over and got in. I was prized it worked. I've failed at that before. Yeah. Totally like, okay. I choose not. I have no recourse. Yeah. Anyway. So you get you wanted to get your stuff together before you rentals. Yeah. And so so you do where did you when you were looking around for how to establish a practice? What what did you what resources? Did you go to? It's interesting. So I had when I turned forty. I was participating in an experimental circle group. I call it. My jet I circle because I'm I'm jed, I. Seventeen of us. And we just made a commitment to meet once a month for year, and then do a whole weekend wants a quarter, and just, you know, read books, their spiritual or whatever personal development books insurer lies workout and a lot of people in that were had more strong stronger practice, and so what I did to start. So I as one thing I wanted to share was just like how much I've learned about. How important is to have a community a circle structure to support you. If a lot of people actually makes the whole difference. I mean, it makes a huge difference. The keep cutting you off I do that a lot. But but I just want to amplify your point was his excellent point. And I haven't looked into sort of what allows people to establish abiding practice. There's some people don't really need a community. But there are some people for whom having that kind of social support is just like the ballgame and the coolest per buzz when we would gather once a month, we'd often start one of the. People in group happened to be imitation teacher. So you're you're on to start our day. Let's do five minutes, and we would we would sit in in in community. And it was just incredible. How much faster much deeper you can go just like with other people call that the HOV lane affect the HOV lane affected love it. Yeah. That's fantastic. So that was really cool and really helped us partnering with one of the people in my in the circle who had a strong practice, and he just became my accountability, buddy. Just like you would have Jim. And I would just text them every day. Did fifteen minutes did twenty minutes. Miss today. It was a late night or a deadline or fifteen. Twenty minutes is good stretch. Yeah. It's a good number. Yeah. So that we're trying to hit. I was the goal. And so it just having somebody who cared somebody who's listening somebody to impress. Yeah. You say that somewhat tongue in cheek, but it's good to have somebody to impress. So and somebody listening when he cares. I mean, I think that's I always reference twelve step. Although I don't anything about twelve step. You know, having a sponsor having somebody who's who's cares about your success? I'm not an expert in twelve step either. But I think a lot of what they've done is brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Yeah. We should do some podcasts on twelve. Actually, I have somebody. I think coming on in the future who can talk about this anyway back to you. What difference? Did it make a well actually before I asked about that? What kind what flavor meditation? Are you doing? I don't know. I do is close. I don't know. All the names. I she Lynch trained us this. I don't always start putting putting your thumb to your third finger. I don't always do that. But when I want to be like super diligent extra pure extra like the full on. I need like real help of do the the right way focus on the feeling of your breath coming in and going out, and then you get distraught. Or do you go to a mantra? I really I think somebody asked me. Recently. I've been thinking about it. I really don't do either off breath breath. And then actually because I'm a astronaut like I was thinking about this. I'm like, no the breath. They're like, no the breast are important. So I started thinking about maybe the breath. Maybe I should be meditating on the breath. Maybe that's the right. I should try that your mind before that if you weren't doing either of those just to cl-, I actually consider meditational they say, you know, praying is talking to God meditation is listening. So for me the attention. I always imagine being like a radio at ten and so for me, the intention is to be still enough in quite enough because I'm so, hyper Connectik Jabri the dispute quite of still enough to actually be able to listen to what the is telling me. And so it's almost like a. Ideas, come to me when I meditating all that's. I know I had a greatest morning in then I caught write down. I forgot that happens mealtime of which, but I'm convinced though that the if if it doesn't last for you through the end of the meditation, if you actually can't recall it at that point, it probably wasn't that great. And if it is really great. It will come back. Yeah. Having said that I don't really know what I'm talking about. And in the spirit of not knowing what I'm talking about. I'm going to give you a piece of advice, which is an you should take it in the spirit of like, I'm not a meditation teacher. So this is just, you know, take it or leave it probably leave it. But my sense is that actually your practice would benefit from having an object. Like in other words, pick the breath just feeling if you pick one spot like your chest your belly or your nose, noticing, what feels like with the breath comes in and goes out or rise fall of the belly. And then when you get distracted start again, I actually think they will tune the Antenne tastic. So again, take that's just my thought. Yeah. So I started thinking about the breath today on I was meditating this morning, and what blew me away, you know, biologists them. A space explorer. So start thinking like about the breath is oxygen. It's rocket fuel. It's literally rocket fuel. That's what I feel as fuel the rocket with liquid oxygen. It's an oxidizer is what burns, and it's what burns the fuel the food that we eat to make energy. And so I was just like, whoa. I'm like breathing rocket fuel. I mean, it just totally shifted. I'm like, oh, the breadth other browse pedantic the breaths powers life. This is cool. Well, I mean, you're adding a totally fascinating intellectual overlay, but you can actually strip away the concepts and just use the breath as. A way to train focus. So it's like you're just giving the monkey in your mind, something to do it will then get attracted a million times. But over and over you bring the gentle, gently bring the monkey back and over time that kind of just has the Neta fact in my experience of lowering the level of useless chatter, which of course, is the tuning of the Anna because when the useless chatter level comes down, your receptive to more ideas, many of them, creative or my case, many of them ridiculously dumb, but nonetheless, they're new in different ideas than the habitual storylines even running since sentence. That's my pitch school. Base though. I know before he about space has this practice made any difference for you parent. I don't know like what your metric of is it working. And is it rising to that? It's a great question. I yes, I think that between sleeping eight hours a night. Which is as when I became a mom. I'm like, oh, God, I actually need that. Now. Okay. Between making sure like I'm seeing too that. I'm getting sleep that I need to do this job and going about enough early enough to do the meditation. Yes, I see market difference in being able to be calm and connect to come up with a creative response to the kids doing whatever the kids are doing. Instead of like thrown, you know, monkey response. Yeah, we all have it. And sometimes some days, you know, you don't get enough sleep. You don't get your practice in whatever. The external circumstances are. Tough for difficult, whatever. And sometimes you don't parent the way you wanna parent at least in my experience. So what is your t tell us what your job is will what the the you talked about, you know, all the things going on in your life being parenting and also work. What is the work? So I. Do our leadership training development at virgin, galactic. For our staff tells about Virgil virgin, galactic virgin, galactic is Richard Branson's spaceship company. So we're building a sub orbital space vehicle that will take people who buy tickets on the sub orbital space trip. We get to go out to the curvature of the earth. The blackness of space float around weightless and look back at our moral and anywhere close to happening. Yeah. I think will my goal is that our tesla program right now with Bishop unity, and that she gets to the space this year and will get richer. Hopefully, we get Richard Branson spaces here or next year. And and start flying customers. How much will cost it's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Also, anybody can do it and. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's it's you know, it's like VCR's, you know, they start out really exp-. Pensive and night and get one for twenty five dollars. Nobody has exactly. Technology so down. So that that makes sense to me. I mean, I would love to do that. That's incredible. And you're gonna go. Yes. We bought our tickets back in two thousand five actually bought tickets. Yeah. They're only two hundred thousand back no ploy discount. Well, that was before we were starting work with the company and who's we? Oh, sorry. So my husband, George white sites is the CEO virgin, galactic. We bought the tickets and T doesn't five. He started work with them because we both work in the space industry, and they they knew trains and planes. But didn't you have that expertise in spaceflight? And so they started working with him. And then when they wanted to increase step up rations in the US said when you come here, see you. So he's the running the show over there now, and you do leadership training. So what does that entail? We have a spring semester and a false Mestre and have sell voluntary. I've got to choose to be there be. To be part of it and take on your life. And they do do to lunch lunches a month and try to make it. So the managers can't complain. And we do it over four months, and you know, we work on mindfulness. They have to take on a daily practice. But it can be whatever it was go for a walk meditate read, you know, work on their motorcycle study French, you know, the come up with whatever they want. But it's that idea of that mindfulness choosing having your life be you know, of your design. Do we work on listening? We watch clips from Star Wars movies and let iota you know, some of his wisdom showers. Geek, yeah. This is your second star was sorry. I'm out totally Starsky. No meat. I love sewer. So you're you're in a safe place. What did you think of the hyun-sil movie? I haven't seen the Viet. I really liked it. I I have to say that because I work for Disney. But I actually like it. No, my husband took the kids that we came out. I just have didn't get to go with him. I'm going to catch up soon. And he said he really liked it said, yeah, he wants to go see with me. So I'm excited. So you play Star Wars clips, which I imagine would go over well with the folks there is no try do not there is Notre that iota how many people work for virgin galactic, eight hundred also this huge company. Huge pretty big bigger than ABC for. Sure. The I know magic. Maybe I actually don't know what our headcount is. So it must be a pretty exciting gig. I love it. I mean, taking this is what I've always wanted to do is work in human spaceflight and be able to use like the powerful experience of seeing the earth from space to help the world. Feel more connected, and and United and and mindful so I'm doing exactly I'm exactly where I wanna be. So say more about that. Why? I understood. And the the fascination with space, and I wanna get into a little bit more. But white whence that fascinating for you. But the the connectivity piece of it say more about that. Yeah. I've always felt that spaces on the has the power to bring the world together. I was really porn to me. I'm I grew up during the Cold War. And there's always this this rift, this divide, and I remember watching the movie two thousand ten and the sequel two thousand one and so now they're they wanna go back out to Jupiter to find out what happened to hell. Why did this why this mission Goro and the only way to get there is to hitch a ride on the Russian vehicle they really want to a ready to launch. And so we're sort of forced in the situation where the US and this time Soviet Union have to joint mission to Jupiter, and this is like nineteen eighty four this movie commodity three myths like watching, you know, in when it comes to TV or whatever and. A big impression on me because they get out to Jupiter tensions flare up on earth. They radio to the ship. And they say, hey, we're about to go to war on earth with the Soviets. You guys have to go to other side of the ships close the door and stop talking to each other. And they have this meeting on the bridge with two commanders Soviet woman commander in the American commander. And and they're they're good friends. They've been traveling for months together in space working as a team. And they're like doesn't make any sense to us. Just because the politicians are behaving like jerks doesn't mean that we have to two and they keep working together to solve you know, to do what they're doing. And what how do you is it scalable to get enough people up into space to get this view to revoke the sense of unity that you're yearning for can we get enough people up to space to to have this have a meaningful impact. I think so we've had about five hundred fifty people go to space so far between all the the gun. That sent astronauts cosmonauts taken outs and we've ever seen black. We've already sold over seven hundred tickets to fly on our spaceship. So we'll be doubling the number of people gone, and we'll be expanding it out from just government astronauts to people from fifty eight different countries, all different walks of life, all different languages, and they'll be able to come home to their commute and share this experience firsthand. And I think that's you know, you only need to, you know, certain percentage of the publishing hit like a tipping point and even to spread that idea through movies and podcasts and films, and I get it out there. And that's that's my commitment. Is that we use this frontier to expand our mine and help us grow as species in become we've always wanted to be out covenant. Are you that will work because one experience of that kind of literal transcending will it having a biding affect on an individual governor, you that that that would happen? Yeah. I'm it's not a silver bullet I worked in the astronaut office. I know that you know, they're not perfect. They come back from earth. Wow. I'm going to be nice to my wife, and you know, those older and came back from the moon. You know, he was new we've gotta deal with his alcoholism for years and depression, and so it's not a silver bullet. But it's it's an opportunity, and I wanna make sure we're positioned to take as much vantage of that opportunity as we can and do as much good with it as we can stay tuned. More of our conversation is on the way after this. Is it still a struggle to get that good night's sleep? Then maybe it's time to try the purple mattress. It's made out of a new material that keeps it firm and soft. So it keeps everything supported while. Still feeling really comfortable. Try it now with a one hundred night risk-free trial along with free shipping and returns. And if you order one, you'll get a free purple pillow with the purchase of a mattress, just text happier. Two four seven four seven four seven the only way to get this free pillow. Oh is to text happier. Two four seven four seven four seven. Message and data rates may apply. Aside from the stuff we've just been talking about around human connectivity. Why have you always been interested in space? You know, I remember started wing, and I was five or six, so maybe it's that childhood fascination. You know, the frontier, and you know, what's possible on exploration. You know, there's always the in every society there explores people wanna push the boundaries, and that's useful role. But I think what really crystallize it was when I got to be about twelve in his eighties, and we had acid rain and save the whales and those own hole and all these problems on my planet. And I was so worried about it, you know, onto twelve dollars. You know, this bird heavy like, what am I going to do? How am I gonna hold my world? And I didn't know where to start, you know, which these problems should I work on. I made a decision that I wanted to work on space because I felt like if we go to space, we can sort of bootstrap our way up and solve all our problems at once can learn how to live sustainably, recycle Aaron all our water because you have to space. You don't have choice. You can't can't just use things and throw them out after figure out how to keep things close loop the way nature does he doesn't throw anything. So we need to learn to live like that. And so I thought if we could learn to that in space, and how maybe that could help teach our world how to live in a way that works. Have you been space yet? I haven't but I'm but I could fly as soon as next year. I'm super excited nervous at all. I salute. I mean, that's normal. I mean, you're doing something for the first time, you're doing something really Driss. You're going three times the speed of sound you're going really high. But I feel fortunate because I had the opportunity to do an I'm ex shoot with James Cameron. And we were doing we had these the submersible dive Titanic with we're diving to the bomb the ocean like to simulate space mission to to explore frontiers. And to me the ocean is much scared than space like I front oceans terrifying. That's like heavy drown weeks. It scares me. And so an and being out in the middle of the ocean like three days from land. I it's big planet, and I'd never been out of sight of land before so being at sea for a month out of set a land was powerful and to be out of range of rescue like, no how. Helicopters can get to us in the middle of ocean. When we go down to the bottom. This is a I'm actually aliens of the deep that I was in and shoot should shoot. It two thousand three I came out to the five end up in the on the shoot. I was Astrobiologist at Caltech the time JPL Nasr's GPL in Los Angeles, propulsion lab Jet Propulsion land-grant. That's good. Don't sorry for the acronym. That and James Cameron came to GPO looking for Astrobiologist because he wanted to bring together. Ocean offers and Astrobiologist to take them out on a field, expedition and Astrobiologist don't usually get to do field missions. No, no, no what he's been to Mars yet. Nobody's been did Europa yet. And so he's like wanted to give the of jeopardy to like, this sort of extreme fieldwork and learn from the oceanographers about life in extreme environments, and film it and the hydrothermal vents that are at the bottom that could be an analog to life forms that could be living on oceans like ocean worlds. Like, you're up. And so we were we were doing this shoot. And we're going down to Titanic depths. I mean, this is like two miles underwater. So it's quite deep in the and there's no other. This is the deepest diving submersibles in the world. So if something were to happen to us at the bottom. There's no one come get. You is a cluster phobic. I wouldn't have that issue. I cluster phobia. It's about three three seats wide three people in Smurfs. We'll Tanic two meter sphere. I would freak. I forget about the thought that as I'm you know, we're off grid Americans aren't used to that. We have nine one one. We're always someone's always can help us. And so. To take to take to make choice. I'm going to get an this immersed tomorrow morning. I'm going to go the by the ocean. Was that was scary. And it was is interesting. But not just theoretical. Yeah. I'd go to Mars, but like, no you're actually going to do this tomorrow morning. And so I had the luxury the privilege of getting already faced that decision point. And with something that I considered scarier that going to space in a way because. I say that you know, it's like a race car. Driver amount climber. Like, if I die go into space or in space like I doing what I love when I'm here to do. That's okay. But you if you die in a car accident, you know, or like, that's that'd be tragedy for me because I wouldn't have gotten to do what I came here to what was it. Like when you're down there. It's incredible. It's completely black. But luckily ever Hollywood light package, which you take your turn off while you're sending to save power. And you just turn on when you get to the bottom. So under sent you know, you there's like these bioluminescence bacteria that glow in the ocean. And so if you let your eyes adjust the dark around the portal, you can see they're like Shooting Stars going by the window of reservoirs. You're descending except that. They're blue green and red. So that was really cool. And there's a portal you're looking at it's not like it's glass case thing, I did both for thousand meters we had a fully like. Fish bowl submersible acrylic Zimmer's will and that was really cool, although you're in the fishbowl, but remember it's completely outside. So it doesn't really matter because only where you shine the light that you're going to even be able to see anything once you get down past two hundred feet. So yeah. But for the deep dives we had the the Tatanium holes. And so then you just have this little portal. The pilots got about a seven inch window, and we have about a five inch window three windows. So everyone gets their own wind up window seat. Yeah. There's incredible creatures down there. There's these comb jellies that are like neon blinking lights. And I'm like, that's crazy there's animals with neon blinking lights. I thought I was crazy. But then I read about it in science magazine, those are real and like a creature like a mouth with a mouth of the mouth all these things. Like, oh, James Cameron. Just got all these ideas, these aliens from the deep ocean like everything you you go and see avatar and he's got like the via luminescent jungle on Pandora, and like the the plants that like pull into their sheath when you touch them. Like exactly what the worms do the six foot worms the bottom of the Pacific. Yeah. I saw pictures in the book of the worms like these two worms about on the ocean. We're going to go. Visit the tube worms to know. Two six. Foot tall to worms that are like firehose thick like, okay? That's not a worm. I wanted to find and they can survive under that much pressure. Yeah. They can. And if you touch them with the the robotic arm, they have like a red feathery plume that is what's sort of filter feeding and if you touch it it's Italy pull into its sheath, just like the pen, Dorin jungle plants to cool. That's really cool. Exotic crazy in the the the hydrothermal vents themselves are stealing out black smoke and seven hundred degrees. Don't get close. Do you think in our lifetime will be able to pay to go further than sub orbital? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, SpaceX is on the verge and and blue jeans not far behind are the those two. Would you say those are virgins two main competitors? Well, they're they're they're working a different product right now. So like, we're we're like southwest doing, you know, here to San Francisco here to here to Boston here to Houston, and they're doing, you know, the long haul flights, you know, here to Sydney here to Tokyo, the bigger the bigger rockets that are doing orbital fighting take you to stay space station or let you stay for a couple of weeks that was basic that's sex and blue origin are working towards slower is that Lawrence Amazon. So they're Seattle with Amazon. And and SpaceX is Los Angeles with Elon Musk and tesla. So yeah, you guys are no Cal northern California. We're in southern California, the Mojave desert. You are right. I read that you live. In the desert. So you think will be able to go to like a space station. Yeah. That's michael. I want to orbit over treat center would not be so cool going meditate and in while looking down the earth that would be I mean, take a tick the politicians what if you could do as summit, you know on. That's a really interesting idea. What about the moon? Yeah. Absolutely. The moon is we're coming up on the fiftieth anniversary of Apollo eight were took that first picture of the earth from the moon, which is so beautiful on Christmas Eve, so earthrights earth rise of Christmas Eve, you know, this year will be the fifty anniversary that photos were looking for that. And the Apollo eleven the moon landing was July. Twentieth. Sixty nine next summer the fiftieth. And so there's a lot of attention on the Chinese are to have missions launching some private companies in US launching missions. There's gonna be a lot of attention on the moon. To do. What what are they would've missions? The Chinese put of relay satellite just to start putting your com. So you need your really when you're on the far side of the when you can still talk back to earth things like that. And then they'll they'll be doing a landing. I think people want to land a plant on the moon symbolic, but beautiful bring some life. Bring them into life. People want to go to the polls the poll the moon there permanently shuttered craters where they think there's a lot of water ice. And we also get more. Sunlight so on the on the moon, you have fourteen days of darkness and fourteen days of light because of the lunar cycle. And then so if you you if you go to so it's tough when you if you don't bring a nuclear power source. You know, you can't use solar power. You can't bring enough gasoline or hydrogen or whatever you want us. So you don't if you want to have sustainable, boy is good to go to the south pole 'cause and you can have your solar panels up and you have twenty four hours of sunlight all the time. The sun's always shining south pole. So the peaks of eternal light. So that's. You know, people really want arch going there. Do you think they're gonna like set up hotels on on the the moon is that what we're heading toward? Yeah. Why has it taken fifty years to get to this question? It's expensive. That's one reason priorities. I mean, the reason we stopped the Apollo program in seventy two was after we landed twelve humans on the moon was Nixon was like, hey, I got a nam to fund this is too expensive. I'm going to cut it. And so we stopped we stopped and then we got into the Cold War, which was also pretty expensive. Yeah. Spendy and the nine eleven titter, but then George W Bush's closing shot was let's go to Mars. Yeah. Yeah. And then, but the, but the way that they were doing it was big government programs. And so they're really expensive like, you know, billions of dollars for two two missions a year. And and you know. Count ability office was like this the numbers. This is looking like it's gonna get pretty unsustainable expensive. But luckily, what's exciting is the same way. Tesla brought in the electric cars, which were just changed the game. Like made electric cars Kulik, I have a model. Assis cool. Now, everyone, you know, a lot of manufacturers are trying to catch up and make electric cars. You know, SpaceX also game change spaceflight by making the rockets reusable. So now, if you watched the falcon heavy launch, they just did it was it was extraordinarily. They've already been reusing the falcon nine so the the rocket take off and said of the boosters dropping in the ocean. Like they've done for fifty years, they they're booster came back and landed on the landing pad. So you don't think Branson, and those they look at, you know, a success that SpaceX have you don't think there had burns for them or do or do you think everybody's kinda rooting for each other because you're all in different next. The woods this great way reason to bring mindfulness to the space community because we do all share that same dream in that same passion. And what if we could all root for each other, and we could all work together? And collaborate sounds like you're rooting for space x completely. I mean, the his dream is you know, is our dream. But how would that go over among your eight hundred colleagues? I think a lot of them get it too. And they see see out the, you know, we want. We want them to do what we want orbital flights developed. We won't point to point. We wanna build point to point ourselves. So that's within the business plan. You're starting with orbital in you go from there. I mean, you know, some more book eh, you know, you got to be thinking about what what you're next where you going next. And that's what I think's exciting is can we get anywhere on the planet in less than hour. Can we help bring the world together like physically too because you go sub orbital space shuttle when you're going to go mach twenty five to orbit the earth. That's just physics pure going less than twenty five times a speed of sound you're going to come back to earth to outrun gravity. So you're going twenty five c sounds. That's Festus shuttle goes or went and it can go round the earth ninety minutes. That's how fast the space station or the shuttle or things in orbit orbit. And so you launch, you know, and that's all the way around. So if you only need to go halfway you can get anywhere in the world and about an hour. So I could go to Sydney or Hong Kong in an hour. Really interesting. But because air travel, which would have been considered in Uttar ably miraculous in eighteen fifty has not made the world. Measurably more peaceful hasn't it maybe in some ways. I mean, like now, you know, you have a lot more inner cultural Nixon's intercultural marriage can okay now, I'm somebody from South Africa's now marrying somebody from Canada, and like they can fly back and forth, and they could visit the family go back for Christmas. And so because of that, you you see more cultural exchange and more travel mobile visited more business trips. And so, you know, I have a friend in India, and like you I think it's help with understanding. Now the airplanes also been used as a weapon. So I mean, that's one of these. I'm really mindful of is like any powerful new technology, whether it's artificial intelligence, or you know, spaceships on that power can be used to create or destroy. But overall, it seems to me that. What what I'm hearing for us. It you hear a near future. A near to mid term future where where? You know, if you wanna pay may not be be that much in a couple of decade or to go sub orbital you can do that. Which is what would be like an afternoon, and then even we're having retreats on the on floating space stations orbiting space stations and go to the moon, and this all sounds based on what you're saying to be not that far away possibly our lifetime. Your asthma. That's my attention. That's what a lot of us are working towards and what's beyond that people. Want to go to Mars? I mean musk is crystal clear that their goal is Mars. And you know, bays wants to get a million people living and working in space. Where does he see the usually assist cult cysts lunar so anywhere around the moon? So like, there's LaGrange points. There's some gravitationally stable points, you know, on either side of the moon in between us and the moon where you could put us thing. And it'll stay there. What does he want to do their you build? Like, a a settlement of city where are you? Grow your own food, and recycle your water can do manufacturing or mind asteroids. Mine astronaut at mass, okay? And so get Tena or and what what is the end. What is the vision than for your company? Yeah. So we different interested in point to point transportation. And what would the other point B O like so New York City point on earth, New York, Sydney our around worth, and then, you know base. Sorry. Richard Branson's talked about things like, you know, hotels on orbit. And and I think he would love to go to the moon if he could. So it's so interesting I mean and just getting back to this issue of will a global and a truly global perspective. And or maybe even a truly galactic perspective create more peaceable humans. I just I remember I was moderating a panel once with IBM interested to hear your answer to this question, your personal enter this question as monitoring panel with a bunch of I think Astro physicists. And we're talking about space, and I some point I asked, you know, thinking about space all the time. Does that? Big blast perspective. You know, the kind of perspective that I get when I see the moon sometimes or what I'm just lying on my back with our son looking up with sky does that, you know, filter way into your life in a way that makes you calmer is easier to live with and all three of them said, no. Steph stating but not true for, you know, no to me, it's very spiritual experience. And and I think like you can walk around earth. Knowing have some sort of background of understanding that like. This this these little dramas that I'm witnessing are playing out within this vast space, which then allows it all to seem to be seen with some perspective. Totally. My husband likes to say from low-earth orbit. All your problems small. I like that just get enough perspective. And and like from enough distance. We all become one like what you're from earth to awesome. That's my home planet. Connected. You feel kinship, you know, we're all in this together. Right. But stuck with a local perspective that kind of tribal isn't that the kind of tribalism that you're worried about sets in? Yeah. And scarcity thinking instead of like, wow. When extraordinary university are well, that's the interesting thing. But these companies that we keep talking about, and plus whatever the Chinese are doing and anybody else is that it really does blow a huge probably interactive whole and scarcity thinking in some ways, although maybe not in radical because as we see in Star Wars, you'll find something else to fight about. I know it's it's heartbreaking to me like this. The idea of like Morris declaring war on earth. Like, it's not what I'm doing this for or even us fighting over, you know, who got the mining rights to which asteroid. Yes. And that's why. So that's why I teach mindfulness and leadership trading in team development, the company because I believe. That like almost like the culture that the people who are building spaceships are going to be setting the culture of what we're taking with us. And we have to start holding ourselves to hire. So interesting because it's like it's like a do over. We have a blank slate up there. What do we wanna bring? Jerry thing. I should have asked you that. It didn't ask you. Yeah. Well, we call it the new right stuff like adding vulnerability authenticity on was in the fifties. The right stuff was like grin Barrett rate movie. Yes. And you know, how how still can you be how much can you endure? And and it's like a lone wolf to like, I don't need any help. I got this. And so building on that tradition that we come from a nuts, not coachee minutes. And like, adding a new layer on top of that of of deceive owner ability full self expression, being who you are being we call it bringing your old self to work in virgin. I call the new right stuff. Like what we're gonna need. What we need to be successful in the next phase of space. We should call this podcast episode. The new rights stuff. I like that the. And I really like it because it means more. Now having spoken to it would have meant. If you talk to me about at the beginning. I would have thought of it as initially as kind of an HR slogan, not in a bad way. But more like a really focused on the culture of your single corporation. But actually what you are talking about is the culture of the future of humanity. Yes, that's the seed. That's clear to me that you're trying to plant. Good luck. I got nothing else to do with my time. Something fun. I think it's I toward the goal to worthy mission. If people wanna learn more about you. How can they do? So. So I both website. And then he writes stuff dot com or Loretta Whiteside dot com, and you can read more about me there. Get the book of Newt the textbook us for our training. The new right stuff. Her follow me on Twitter at Loretta eat. Alligators. I made a name h d ale ju and I have I've had some Tech's talks to which are kind of fun. I wanna hear more about space, and and my take on it. And how I got an interested in how I use it to help you Mandy, do we search under your full name or just Tech's Loretta white sides, pull up the Tech's NASA tech spots, women and Ted ex Manhattan beach. A lot of fun. You made me think I appreciate it. Thank you. Really? Appreciate it. Thanks for doing this. She did make me think Loretta idel, go white sides. Really? Appreciate it time for voicemails. Here's number one. Hey, dan. It's Meghan calling all the way from theory Canada. My question for you is what role. Do you think meant plays in combination with meditation? I'm currently researching a program that includes yoga and by Liz Levy of the PTSD, and I'm just curious you're on the added element of movement conjunction with sitting but attention, if you think there's an added benefit or an increase, in fact, sort of that mind body connection if you will and would love to hear your thoughts. So thanks so much and all the best lots of love from Canada. Vice thank you, lots of love right back at you. I have a bunch of thoughts. This is by no means going to be a comprehensive of exegesis on the on the benefit of movement in. Meditation. But just a few thoughts that are coming to mind. I don't do a ton of yoga I've done a little bit of yoga. I have a bit of a complex relationship with yoga. But I I'm all for it. And in particular, I find it really useful to stretch before I'm going to sit for extended period of time because I am so fidgety and restless and my body gets sore and cranky easily as I get older. So I think that's one thing to say that I think it can be really helpful. I also think in I was talking to Joseph Goldstein, my teacher about this recently that walking meditation, especially for people who are super restless and really have trouble with this sitting with your eyes closed thing walking meditation by which I'm referring to formal walking meditation where you. Stakeout us, you know, patch a ground maybe five yards ten yards, and you just kind of pace back and forth, very slowly paying exquisite attention to the movement of your body often you can use a little notes lift move place. You know, lifting your foot move your foot placing it that kind of editor is just really useful on its own especially for people who are restless, but it also helps in here I'm quoting Joseph to take your mindfulness out into the world. And so, you know, you then have this kind of muscle memory and mental slash muscle memory. So that when you're walking around and tempted to check your phone in between meetings while moving which will give you ample opportunities to walk into other people or a poll that maybe actually you can use those moments kind of. Into whatever's going on right now, which can be a nice dose of mental hygiene in the middle of day where you're just constantly toppling forward all the time. So those are two things that come to mind, I suspect without evidence that adding yoga in for folks with PTSD who may have trouble sitting with their eyes closed. I suspect that that's a really smart move. But I'd be very interested to see the data. So I think you're onto something I wish I had more comprehensive to say, except that you know, for everybody who's listening to this. I think it makes sense if you've got to seated meditation practice or daily ish meditation practice to mix in some walking meditation because it's as I said good on its own and also really good because you are taking it out into the world. It helps you take it out into the world. One more thing to say about that is a lot of people fall asleep. When they're meditating is very common. Problem happens to me if you are soup. Tired but wanna get in a few minutes of meditation right before bed or right? I in the morning or in between meetings at work, and you're worried that all you're gonna do is. You know, find yourself completely collapsed in the middle of the meditation which happens to me all the time. Just doing couple minutes of walking meditation can can make a huge difference right there. And we have guided walking meditations on the temperature happier app. So thank you. Megan onto the next voicemail. Wanna thank you. First of all podcast the books, which brings me to my question. Kind of too far. I you know, when I start heavy issues that wanna try to deal with or thinking through or come up within me. And I sometimes don't know which of the the method to use start out like well, welcome to the party or should just be a rain meditation. Or should I do some something else or you know, I kind of feel sometimes I spend my wheels and don't really know and jump from. Cement of methodology or meditation imitation that I've listened to learn the only thing for about five months. So that's one thing. And I guess at least my second question is if I'm relying too much on guided at what point in the practice. Do you start self guided meditation where you're not listening to or not coached or just working through this on your own your own? I don't think I'm there yet. But I'm just kind of curious what your thoughts on that? And then the first part of the fuse go to you feel like well, let me try loving this. No, maybe let me try, you know, rain or something else. I hear your thoughts on that. And thank you for everything that you do five months indication. That's great. And I guess what? I was the first thing. I would say is your only five months in. I'm not saying this like I'm fifty years in ten years in not even but. Only five months in which is a real achievement. It's completely natural that you're going to have, you know, go through all sorts of awkward stages of the practice. I wouldn't get too tangled up in that. But on the specific issues, you're raising. I think they're excellent questions ones that I've wrestled with personally. So let's start with the first one. So you're in meditation. Something comes up that's difficult, and you've been taught a bunch of techniques for dealing with difficult emotions. And you're and then you're like, oh, which tool do I use here? Do I use loving kindness to I use rain? I'll explain what rain is in a second to I use welcome to the party. Explain that as well. What do I do? And then you're then you're stuck in a classic Buddhist hindrance of doubt, not doubt in the positive sense. But doubt in the negative sense. Where you're just stuck in the quicksand of unconstructive self questioning which often leads to even less constructive. Self-laceration first thing, you know, is this is totally common. At least in my experience happens all the time still happens to me a little bit of this. Let me just for the for the listeners I said almost viewers from so used to be on TV for the listeners. Let me just explain what some of these tools are that you're talking about. And then try to offer up a workable solution beyond. Just don't worry about it. Too much one. You mentioned Levin kindness. Loving kindness. We've talked about this a bunch on the podcast. It's this practice where you send you visualize beings, including yourself, and repeat phrases of friendliness may be happy may you be healthy, etc. Cetera. My view on that is it's incredible practice. In fact, most of my practice right now is loving kindness. In in the ancient Indian language of Pali it's called meta practice and ETA that is my primary practice right now as. Working on a book about kindness. I would say that the my experience, I usually I don't usually revert to loving kindness in the middle of an of a straight up mindfulness sit where I'm just feeling breath coming in and going out. I don't I wouldn't usually just throw that in the middle of a sit. I either pick one and do one or the other at the beginning. So in terms of tools to go to something's come up. I wouldn't rule out meta. But it doesn't come to mind as the thing that I would revert to in the middle of a straight up, the mindfulness, sit the other techniques, you mentioned are rain and welcome to the party. So rain is it's an acronym recognize the first step once comes up that stuff. You just recognize the. Yeah, this is anger allow don't fight it just allow that. This thing is here investigate. So how is it showing up in your body? What kind of thoughts is the emotion spinning off? What is? Anger, really like, and then and non identification. You can see that this is the mental state of anger. But is there any you in there? No, it's it's it's an impersonal. And this is fascinating. And this is gonna sound a little grandiose, but liberating to see this, isn't your anger. This is just anger, and you don't need to get wrapped up in identifying with it and tripling doubling tripling down on it. Because it is you're so caught up in the story. You can just see this. This is anger that acronym. I find to be incredible useful. And so I would recommend doing that. Of course, your question is what do I do when I know a bunch of techniques for dealing with difficult things. So the other one you mentioned was welcome to the party this technique developed, my by my friend and co author Jeff Warren with whom I wrote. Book called meditation for fidgety skeptics, and he talks about the fact that a lot of us sort of Poche away. And this is this is a component of rain. We push away the hard stuff that comes up for us. And that can the struggle can can can Meyer us even more deeply into the briar. Patch of that particular emotion if we're struggling with it. And so if we just actually salute it and say, hey, welcome to the party it often dissipates. And so in some ways, actually, welcome to the party is a combination of meta and rain. So I would say for you. If you're sitting in meditation, something difficult comes up, sadness, or anger or restlessness. I think it's completely natural to have a moment of. Okay. So which tool using here? I I would go through I would pick one and just spend a period of time where every time something difficult comes up. You're just going to use one of these try that try that for a little while. And if you're finding that actually no no, I really do need to be a little bit more bespoke, depending on the on the on whatever the ma-. Mental state. That's come to visit then you can switch back and forth among these various techniques, but don't allow yourself to get to stuck in the self laceration self-flagellation around being confused about which technique, you're gonna choose. So give yourself a break. Your five months in this practice is gonna feel awkward as a beginner. And it's still can't feel awkward for me as somebody who's probably at the beginning of the intermediate stage. So I hope the foregoing made some sense your second question was about guided versus guided meditations, I'm a big fan of guided meditations, but you have to take what I say with grain of salt because I'm the co founder of meditation that specializes in guided meditations, but I I do think and what I do in my own practice is do both. And so I think you can start to experiment five months in with just sitting without guided meditations and doing it on your own and sometimes you'll want guided. And sometimes you won't. And I think that's a good mix. Guided meditation is not training wheels. It's not cheating full on meditation. And it's incredibly useful to have a really wise person in your ear guiding you through it. But there may be times when it's either impractical or sub optimal to do that. So you just do it on your own. I think five months in you can handle it. Thank you very much for that. For for those excellent questions, we really appreciate the questions, and as promised we are going to be recruiting some actual experts that come in and answer the meditation teachers who were going to run these questions by record their answers and put them on the show. So that's coming up soon ish. I think we're on. 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