20 Episode results for "Lorenzo Cain"

When Will We Next Go Racing?

The Tank Slappers with Lewis and Uri

21:57 min | 1 year ago

When Will We Next Go Racing?

"Hello and welcome to the tank. Cypress podcast off sport and Motorsport Networks. Podcast for all things to wield host international editor. Volta Sport Dot Com. Lewis Duncan join me all the way from Australia Setting out and he's garden right now. Said MOTORSPORT DOT COM global motor. Gp Editor Oreo per Shimon. An oriole. Ho The hell are you. It's been a while I'm good here waiting for. Yeah we're trying to figure out the best way to combat Europe but I think it's GonNa take a while yet. Hopefully not as long as as as some people think well hopefully will be everyone whom we'll be back in Europe soon. We can go racing soon. And that's what we're talk about. First racin season as set to start with the Spanish Grand Prix May but we. We don't think that's going to happen. We were praised certain. It's going to Spain France and Majel are going to be postponed on paper. Yes but nobody believes that the moment that we're going to start with the first week of May so I think everything is ready to be postponed Lament Mugello as well but an eye thing dorner promoters writers believe Dat Catalunya is Yeah I starting point are reasonable Grace to sell the calendar there. Even the situation get a bit better because yeah Yeah we need to fix this thing and we need to start to try. I mean to start to recover otherwise is gonNA get no wait. This is the thing we're seeing. The situation Karuna virus situation. It's getting worse. In Europe. We thank the peak of the disease is coming and then segments. Should start to flatten Yeah we've seen with Formula One in the first eight races have been canceled postponed and cancelled. We've seen other events Salem. Td's been canceled at Lamont. Twenty four hours has been pushed back so it's very much looking like June is the earliest we can start and it may even be a later than that always. So we've had a new calendar for a while now. The season is going to stretch the end of November but still nineteen races and that seems to me like he's going to be very very tricky to run. Yeah I don't think we're GONNA have eighteen races I think it's the official way to communicate which I think it's fair but At the moment they are trying to postpone. I mean first of all nice trying to figure out to find out what's going to happen but it it's not. I don't know how to say it didn't doesn't depend on them. Depending on global situation so they have to wait and see how this evolves and then make a decision but the thing is that they don't WanNa run a new calendar every week twice a week or three times a week so they preferred to wait because they did it the first week they run I think three draft of the calendar but at the end they realize that it was a A waste I mean mistake because yeah I mean they have really good intentions but in the end You can Work on new calendars. But I it's not depending on you so it is wasted time so they preferred to wait until what happened and then to write a a New Zealander. That's why they are still waiting to communicate that the three races could if Lima Majel will be postponed we we had the announcement on ch Tuesday choosy. I can't remember I don't even know what day is myself knows but stuck in so long slowly that one We had the announcement of the debate. Ron's been postponed will be emily. Yeah so we. We know that the announcement coming we know the French Grand Prix organizers are wasting till the start of April to make a decision. I don't know why they might as well. Just do it. No and get it over with but we do things that we really don't dominate crawl like yeah contracts with promoters Brian Manufacturers so they have to be a bit Grotius Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah so yeah. That's what I already doing but considering regarding the number of racists. I think that it's broadly. Just a feeling I don't have I mean I have some Feedback but it is not really nothing official yet. Of course but you have the feeling that were not it will be difficult for us to go to Finland. Yes so they will use This lot Trying to fit in other rates and to me it sounds difficult to me to go to Austin as well. Yeah Austin seem we know the Austin soccer actually closed its doors? They've fire let go along staff right now. They claimed that their plans for the Grand Prix for the Formula One Grand Prix anyway aren't affected but you have to think that the thing is we're in a global shot down right now in more sports a business and if there's more sport there's no money being made by the circus you know when we get going again. We think a lot races will be held without fans. That's obviously going to be a big car sockets. There's there are a lot of things that we don't know yet have. We're GONNA work to a race. There are few racist that can I mean cannot. It doesn't have any sense. Go ahead without public Like for example. Mugello those three races three original row. There's no point. Yeah I mean those. Those races are two hundred thousand people each weekend. United you cannot let the promoter you know. be empty pocket. Yeah Yeah It's easy I think it's more fair to postpone. Tried to postpone and then you will have to sacrifice Show mother round which is being. It's it's normal. Yeah it's let's Dorner. Fam of talked about different ways. They can hold races this year. One one idea from the FAM president or via ask was to have two races a weekend. I of voice you would you. Would you like something like that? You know is that something you think is possible. I think there's I don't think they would be able to do that with the way contract work with but in in we are in aside specialty tuition so we all that most of the parts would try to adopt in Tuition so yes. We have contracts. They have contract but they will have to adapt at some point. They have to be flexible at some point I mean everybody would have to because imagine the sponsors. Yeah Imagine I mean you have signed A contract for Season Nineteen twenty races. And then you're going to have maybe fifteen races with Mites less time exposed so you'll have to renegotiate or you'll have to shovel tae-ok these years going to be like these and then we're going to work for trying to fix the situation for next year but to me. It is my opinion not feeling. I don't know what's GonNa Happen. I know that they were exploring situation. options lighten. These two races Each weekend but my personal opinion is i. I prefer to have fourteen races but single For weekend. Yeah Dan these NEO. This like superbike formula. Yeah Yeah because it is not a proper multi weekend be we can. I'm not trying to disrespect to world superbikes. Don Don I mean. Let me clear that but it is not a mortar. Gp Weekend. I preferred to have I would prefer to have fourteen mortar. Gp grumpy. Dan Sixteen but to them the same grumpy no we are included and we are raising the Spanish grumpy and check what it is to me. It is not the solution eats it would be like Yeah about but move. Yeah I I agree with that. I mean there's a series come under attack from A. B. or wash was not good. You know it's dangerous businesses podcast. Yeah no I agree with that. I mean thirteen fourteen. Racism in the very first Grand Prix row championship season was six events. But that doesn't you know just because it was six events last. Graham's championship doesn't as devalued versus a championship one over nineteen races championship is a championship. Exactly I mean you have to adapt to the situation is additionally. Don't forget that Two days ago Olympic Games were postponed. Yes everybody will remember this year for the Granados. So in the end Do Me and for the modern she be image for the monarchy. Bran it is better to make Upper Championship with nostrand formulas. No no is again. It is only my opinion I can be. I can be wrong. Maybe somebody is able to convince me the other way I don't know know. I totally agree with what they can do. Is we'll just have like a ten championship norcal but we can run at one way and then run it the other way and then I'll be fine. You know that would be good fun to watch Difficult difficult for the safety are in Estonia unsafe if the superbeets away with the GPO buffet but no seriousness. The the championship. Dorner has to do what's best for the championship and thirteen races. As as an thirteen races would be better on the cruise with better on the raiders bear on the Journalists Speroni. Everyone travelling you know nineteen races in such a short space of team in the end. Yeah I think in the end. They have to find the right balance for everybody. They have to Fine I kinda realistically possible And then for everybody and then that's what they are trying to to find but again I have to wait until you. How the dissolution with these Corner folks. Yeah definitely on that note. We'll go for a quick break and afterwards we're gonNA talk about Hor. Hey Lorenzo welcome back to this week's edition of the tank slappers. Podcast as your is still with us all the way from Australia Lorenzo. Yeah he's a second away at the moment the robust places to be stuck suppose Well he's in the in in in in their hotel room which is not really you know in the end. Why either either like Dubai but Anyway it's my personal opinion and there's dad there's nothing to do than to try to find a good air condition and he can fairly. I've only ever seen the airport in Dubai so I I can't. I can't possibly comment. But Yeah Lorenzo. You'll be stuck in Dubai for no but hopefully come June. If the catchline growing pre happens he won't be spoken to by and he'll be on the factory Yamaha. He's he's going to be on a wildcard event. You wrote a feature Lorenzo this week. Yeah I mean it's an exciting thing but it's a can of as one. You've you're struggling to get your head around. What can Lorenzo Cain former? What's what's the point. I think he's a really exciting thing for everybody but a risky move for him. I tried to explain that. Peter that I don't really get the point because I mean per Chiampou a few years ago. When Fernando Alonzo retired from f one he went to race in other disciplines the ones that he was not used to raise but it was because he was drying he still is trying to explore new ways of racing lorraine toys completely different situation. So that's why Fernando was putting himself in out of his comfort zone trying to be better driver trying to put him sheriff in difficult and you know not situations length West combines to retire so this switch on his head. What's done On November we were all there in Valencia. Hewas one hundred percent convinced despite. He's no ninety nine point eight ninety nine point because he was afraid of the bike. He was scared crashing again. So I don't really have an idea but I think let's say it is Beat MORE MATERIAL IMPULSE Marquez. Made an interesting comment about. Lorenzo is a a Lorenzo's decision proves that E has no fear of motorcycle and perhaps he was just scared of the Honda. Yep Which makes you scared the Honda. He was scared to crash. That's fair enough comment but there was. There was some some interesting theories and the the project the pressroom supplying the test when Lorenzo was there that people were wondering you know dead. Lorenzo Norbert Yamaha thing before he decided to quit. Honda was s was part the planets. Unitedly show I don't think show that it was part of the plant but it all came together. You know when he I'm not I don't think so I don't think Dot Thursday in Valencia. Was nothing going on with Yamaha. I don't think so but straight after when he when he had these relief he's mindset. Broadly was different and his brain was a bit more open to this kind of things because he was much more relaxed and released. But I don't think that there was a blind behind it that that decision and At that point I don I dumbed really believe Lord interesting on on jump again on a on a bike Interbank Loretta was not really happy with Yamaha because he was really pushing to try out the new bike anything that he will have to adapt to the new role not to the new team to a new bike because Indiana's Yamaha but he would have to adapt to the new role. Don't forget that he's at three times world Tambien so now he will have to get used to work for others which is not easy for a guy like at ripple Champion so I think it would be interesting. I asked this question to maverick and he well. He starts singing. You know when when the the athlete done one to two as your question straight away and they start were Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. So yeah that's what he did. Yeah I mean it's a Yeh -centration because maverick actually said the other day an interview he thinks that Lorenzo will be important because he can properly test things you know as you say. He's got to adapt to that role. And that's going to be difficult. You know. He's not naturally Atta- straighter so you have to. How good attached raiders are going to be? When he's clearly going to be trying to push himself. There are two things here to me. I which by Iran in Momolu which bike is going to raise with an he. Would he be working for himself trying to be as fast as he can or he will be able to forget about that and to try to make by better for maverick and for by Dino It hard to believe the second option. Just because of his nature his DNA. You know And otherwise what the point on having a wild car. Yeah testing things in Raised with Grand Rubber last name collisions. Okay it's hard to believe to me but again I can be wrong but I just my feeling that I'm not really convinced that Lorenzo will Be hundred percent focus only on on them so I think trump on K will try to to be in front or much ahead as possible. So so that's the that's the thing that's another point that I don't really see how this The can go ahead. Lorenzo has a point to prove because that year on the Honda was so bad. And people questions you know was it the bake was we know it was the bake but within himself. He wants to prove to people to go. Look I'm clearly still three-time motor GPO champion or Hey Lorenzo. Yeah but I mean. Don't forget that these guys are really fast. I mean they are training their focus. They are only focused on that now. He's focused on his instagram on his dancing Yeah I you know the anti and like social stuff but man digital copy and another point if he in a way that what they were trying to to say in the article in a way. I think that he's making a mistake of Your underestimate yeah. All the efforts all the work that he's been doing during all He shares racing. You know what I mean. Because if he can retire. Stay away from Like proper training four months five months and he raised again and he's able to go fast so well that would be. I don't know maybe good news for him but for for the championship and on that very good point I think we'll leave it there. My thanks for joining me for this. Podcast don't worry we will be doing more regular podcast and we've been a little bit quiet but things have been crazy the past few weeks. We'll have more podcast for you. We want your suggestions for podcasts. 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Ep. 10: Crews west coast start, lots of Cubs runs but little to show, Trout snag, chaos in Cincy

90 Miles Podcast

58:09 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 10: Crews west coast start, lots of Cubs runs but little to show, Trout snag, chaos in Cincy

"Woah to. Welcome to the new best rivalry in baseball. Hey, welcome to another episode of ninety miles podcast. This is Ryan I'm here with Jesse you brewers fan for some reason. I don't know. And we are talking cubs. Burs baseball today. It's been we're in the season. Now, finally were there's some games that have been played that count. Yeah. Even the even a very exciting cubs and brewers series this past weekend got played. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was exciting. You would have preferred some different results, but it's early. It's at least the cubs grabbed one and snap their losing streak. So well, we felt bad about one sixty three. We gotta give you one game. Oh, yes. In a while. The Bruce had been awfully hobby. I don't want to we don't want to bury you guys to deep because it would really hurt the podcast. Right. Right. Right. Okay. So anyways today, we're gonna be talking about we're gonna wrap up on that covers series. We've got a few more thoughts on that. We have a great tweet of the week. That's a nice embarrassing moment for cardinals for the cardinals those Oona catch. So we'll get to that lack of talk about the lack of. Yeah. It was very talk about very graceful. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We'll talk about the week. So far can cubs a home opener against the pirates and brewers and angels. And some things moving forward. You know, there's a couple of pitchers out there still we got our our the make. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't heard anything about them for the past two. No, nothing at all. Not no one Pete on tweet Twitter. No, no. It's been very quiet about free agent pitchers that are out there. Very quiet. Yeah. So we got a cover central breakdown. And then we're going to talk a little bit about our seventh. Inning segment. We're going to do something a little different with this week. But will let you know some different. Yep. Yeah. Well, why don't you jump in? Then since you're you're trying to put a happy little bow on the cubs. Bruce series from your side, positive spin, positive spin. I gotta do it. I mean, you know, really if you think about the cubs of old the losing cubs the lovable losers. The the whole there's always next year. The the sense of hope and optimism, you know, being a cubs fan means looking at the bright side of things, and although the cubs only took one of three from the brewers and the that series, there, were some positives. One other in Cole hamels not not nothing having to do with pitching. But but. Runs scored. The the offense has been good this year. In fact, the cubs of in their first ten games this season. They scored ten or more runs in half of them. Which is is crazy. But you know, they, you know, they didn't win a lot of the game. So so yeah, there's that they did two of the games against the brewers. They scored more than ten runs, but the only one one of them. Well, the first game the first game when the cubs got to ten runs really that was against some guys in the Bruce bullpen that. Af been awful and be you know, needed some work. There was two eight run leads from walkie. So that one shouldn't even count against the only five out of ten games. They've won so far scoring ten or more in my opinion. Because really if it would have been an eight to seven game at any point hater would come in. And they went to gotten the ten and we pretty much. Well, yeah. Hater the one the w-. One piece in your bullpen. That is you know, he's okay. Just the best pitcher in the National League right now. No big deal. He's he's you know, he's slightly above mediocre. Yeah. After degrom got beat up a little bit yesterday. He's pretty much. Oh, yeah. By the twins. Yeah. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Who's on my fantasy team? Thanks a lot Jake. Well, that's you know, that's what you get. Yeah. Fantasy and reality. Yeah. A little bit of depression for that. But that's okay. No. Like, I was saying though that first game the bruised did have to separate eight run leads, and yeah, they were they weren't using. Well, they're pitching staffs looked awful in the bullpen. So far this year. We're going to get into that more. But certainly, you know, that's part of the reason these two squads put up the runs they put up those first couple of games without doubt. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I just going to mention one other interesting tidbit. I I saw that the cubs are the fourth team since nineteen hundred to score ten plus runs in five of the first ten games. Very clo-. That's you know, again, another bright spot. The offense has been good. I discount. So has impressed me. He's it's like we have another zobrist on the team. Now. You know, I I like. He's been doing great. That's a nice piece to have their. I wasn't sure what to think in the offseason. But sure. Well, great. He's been pretty he was pretty solid for Zona all the way along one thing that gets lost is anybody coming from the Diamondbacks. I feel like that plays like a pretty average ballpark. You can argue at times it's hitter friendly. But then anybody that's on that squad is playing multiple games. And Petco multiple games in LA until games in San Francisco. So anything that looks like if there's anybody that looks like they might have some decent power numbers. Switching to the NL central the cubs the Bruce specifically, you can usually expect an uptick, so it shouldn't be a huge surprise that. He's had a little bit of a power surge. And yeah, he was always a very flexible piece. So yeah, what's nice is what I mean with the comparison zobrist to is just you know, that he has a maturity as a hitter as patients he he does he has professional at bats, just like zobrist. So he's kind of the opposite of heavy bias. Well. Oh, hey, I, you know, speaking, AVI, by as I don't know if you saw the other at against the pirates, he he threw his bat at a ball that bounced in the dirt and got an RBI single like total. You know, are you really going to brag about that play. Are you really going to break fan about that? He through his bad at the ball. And it took a high hop otherwise. It's just a week groundout. And he's come on, man. Well, it, you know, okay. Maybe. He's no ERO. Well, maybe he could become grow. Maybe that is his path becomes if I don't remember Vlad striking out four times in many games. I'm just saying right, right? Because he would swing at crazy pitches and somehow pull off hits or at least contact right? That's the direction for Baya's. You know, swing everything and don't wear golden girls. Like you war against make contacts are making contact on those wings. Even if the you know if he's outside of his own good strategy. Let's throw your bad at everything. And see what happens. I like it. Yeah. Okay. It was kind of a fun play to watch. But I don't think I'd want my guy who's capable of hitting thirty home runs throwing his bad at something in the dirt too often. That's all. Yeah. Well. It was it was quite a base hit though. So you know, he was barely a base. It though. Well, I was. It was I just think it's more a miracle than like a skill. Let's all. Now. All right. He can really take. Anyway, let's move on. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, we're we're we're we I don't know. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, those events explosions both atom bowl bullpen issues and pitching issues. Well, you also said there's a ninety miles tie to that. Yes. This tick, isn't there? Yeah. Yeah. There was in fact, this is a tweet by at stats by stats on Twitter. This was this was actually on April sixth. So, you know, there's still some more games to be played this as referring to the first eight games of the season for the cubs, but the cubs. So the tweet says the cubs sixty runs to wins are the first team to score at least sixty runs in their first eight games of the season and only wind twice since the nineteen o one. Milwaukee Brewers one runs and two wins. That is a different franchise from the brewers that the cubs just playing. Yes. Correct. I think they ended up becoming oboe? I didn't do my I'm gonna get more into the nineteen o one Bruce at some point. But pretty sure they were just a one year squad in the American League if I'm not mistaken, and then they thought. Thought they became the St Louis Browns, but I'm not positive on that. Yeah. I'm trying to remember now. Good show prep. Everybody. Would it go who don't have Acer head? No you did. I know. I am saying I should've had this stuff to we're we're the to nineteen o one Milwaukee Brewers. Okay there. They are. And. Yeah. Nineteen oh one. Milwaukee Brewers, you know, famous for catcher, Billy Maloney, and yeah, they were the St Louis Browns begin to. All right. See my my brain still works once in a while. You gotta you gotta team with a shortstop named wit. Conroy right widow. Yeah. W I d that's would right. All right. I should get into that in one of the seventh inning stretch segments. Just kind of talk about why the nineteen o one. Milwaukee Brewers are kind of interesting that'd be fun. But anyway, we will we'll dive into that. Because that is kind of an odd thing that you know, and they were actually called the brewers. Yes, Eids we had reference them once in an episode along time ago how that was not. Was not a brand new name taking the Milwaukee Brewers in nineteen sixty nineteen seventy when they moved. But right. It was a borrowed name, but a great name nonetheless. So. They were here's a random tidbit a history just kind of stopped stuck out at me. There was a vote on what the name should be Milwaukee. Brewers took second place in nineteen seventy late sixty nine when they were planning on moving them. They were originally going to be the vote for the people was the Milwaukee Robbins, the Robins, I think they made the right choice personally. But you never know in history. If you look back at it, then you had Robin yawns in the eighties. How would that have played? It would have been interesting. But I've totally taken us off the rails on you know, flowing up that brewers series. Let's get back to that. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. So right now cubs have one win brewers have to in the season series Lada game still to be played next series is what may mother's day weekend. I believe right. I believe it is mother's day weekend. It is the tenth eleventh and twelfth of may so yeah. So something to look forward to. Oh, yeah. Baseball between now. And then though, though these rotations in these stabs may look quite a bit different by then I would expect the brewers staff to look a little different for sure we'll see about the cubs. But yeah, the brewers also had a nice offensive explosion that that thirteen run game. Again, we covered it in our recap episode. If you missed it, go to ninety miles podcasts dot com, you can go back and listen to me give Ryan a bunch of crap about taking two out of three games. We did that on Sunday afternoon. It was kind of a shorter episode. We kept it down to about a half an hour. But you know, if you just want to recap of that series. What all went down. That's what happened. The Bruce did set a franchise record for runs scored in Miller park against the cubs with thirteen on Friday. Then Ryan did you confirm that fourteen? The cubs scored against Milwaukee Saturday is that a record to do. We know that it is runs. The the cubs of scored. In Miller park or did we figure out? Yeah. Yeah. Was that the specific thing, I believe. So that's what I was referring, I know that I know. That's right. Yeah. Okay. Yep. And the thirteen should be record as well against the cubs in Miller park. So needless to say that was an offensive explosion. If you really start looking at it pitching pitching implosion as yeah. Really what it was. Yeah. Yes. The last series was a little bit. But it's like we talked about though that the that that even as bad as pitching can be you still got gotta have a decent hitting team to exploit it too. Like a ten plus run kinda route. This is true bad hitting team is is not necessarily going to get ten plus runs against bad pitching. Although the angels that it last night to the Brousseau who knows you know, they do have one Mike trout. So I guess that's something to well. And then the third. Which? Yeah, we'll talk about that. You're in a little bit. I know about the Stella who, you know, came from the cubs obviously to to the angels. But we'll talk about that. Yeah. Maybe we should jump into the tweet of the week. I don't know that there's a whole lot to wrap up on again. If you wanna hit the cubs brewers, wrapping our series thoughts, and you know, here the smacktalk. That's it's out there. We put it up on Sunday evening. Just go to the podcast webpage, or you know, check it out on I tunes. If that's where you listen. It's already up there. You know, it'll be there. I think he put an all bold or an all caps recap for that one. Is that correct kinda differentiator? Yeah. Because as we. Episodes. Yeah, we're talked a lot about a lot more things. I was a little more was you know, fresh off that Sunday game. And and so I was a little low energy because you're tainted. We'll we'll move on Bubby said. Oh, yeah. All right. Oh, I did. I did want to mention I know this is Jenna jumping back, but that nineteen one Milwaukee Brewers team that became the Saint Louis Browns, eventually became the Baltimore Orioles. So the franchise had a long history of sucking is what it is. Yeah. Although the Orioles have had some success. Let's not let's not. They won they won three World Series through. And three says is true. This is true. There is a very good deal. I don't know how we did that they've been awful last Alaska. So it was nice tie into an awful nineteen o one team the Orioles. But you know, what I know what can cheer is both up. Do you know? Yes. Oh, yes. Something we can both. Time about and then totally agree with. Yes, we got our tweet of the week. This is from at greatest on dirt. It's greatest show under baseball podcast. They tweeted this actually was just this morning. Yes. Yeah. This is a revival. Not even an hour ago. Nope. You can find it. We've retweeted it as our ninety miles when you can find it from my page if you like but go to their page greatest on dirt. It is Marcella Zona of the Saint Louis cardinals trying to make a fantastic wall climbing catch in about halfway up the wall. He looks back realizes he's about ten feet too far. Maybe overran it a bit. Now. This is the same field. The cardinals traded for two seasons. Go in the off season. Same season that same off season. Milwaukee went out and grabbed Christian yelich from the Marlins ozone a-. He's climbing the wall he's running his hustling to get back there. And. He spider-man's the wall. He's got his arm up over it. He's ready to reach up with his glove. And that's when he realizes he went too far. So what does he do tries the push off the wall? It's much better. When you can see it in person as a beautiful bellyflop his cleats, and he basically face plants in the in the warning track. The ball bounces next to his glove and goes over the fence for ground-rule, double it is a it is a sight to behold, there's nothing better than watching cardinals. Yeah. Just flop around the field. Well, you know, when he in two thousand seventeen with the Marlins he wanna go glove. So I I'm still baffled by that. Lorenzo Cain is out. There does not have a gold glove. No. And I watch Marseille's. Yeah. Play outfield for the cardinals the last two years. And I'm like, this guy has a gold globe this guy, and I'm pretty sure yelich has one too. I don't get it. Eulogised good. But I watch Zona. And I'm I'm my mind is boggle d-, you know, saying. Louis cardinal fans already. You know, basically PEO because they ended up with those Oona instead of yelich. And I watched this stuff happen. I can't help. But belly laugh half the time. The be part is even is out fielder. Buddies are all kind of giving him a hard time kenley Jansen has to cover his mouth in the in. The bullpens them laughing. It was it's it's hilarious. Really the reactions been very enjoyable on Twitter without a doubt. Yeah. Yeah. That was up against the dodgers last night. So it's just. Watching to see it. Well, so the tweet do we we didn't say what actual text of the tweet. Well, no, no. And this ties back. A few weeks at great Assan dirt. They in you know, they got the video of the play. They have Jose Consejo. I made the most embarrassing outfield. Play ever Marcello SUNA, hold my beer. Yeah. And then they got the video of this. And I think I think it was as more embarrassing. I mean, I I've missed judged the fly ball before and have it like just miss my glove. And kinda hit me, you know, with conseceutiuve bone stuff is skull and win over the fence for a home run. I mean, that's pretty hard to beat. But it was. Yeah. It was gonna gives it a hell of an effort. Yeah. Well, we like the Consejo reference because we've talked about him before he an entertaining guy to follow for sure. Yeah. Go watch some five hundred fifty foot softball bombs and talk about hunting as yeah, expeditions. It's good. But yes, so yeah, that's the tweet of the week. Yeah. That doesn't bring a cubs fan into Bruce fan together. What nothing nothing can bring a cubs fan and Bruce van together like embarrassing cardinals moments. Yes. That's you know, we need to have some kind of something that can be a peaceful exchange at times. Yes. Yes. We could use the speaking of that something we didn't mention about the cubs Burs series. It looks like they could he used that in some of the some of the concourses in Miller park. I saw some cub on cub fan. Oh. Yeah. What you doing tension which was cub on kkob that was the funny part? But well. There's a lot of cubs fans that were especially at that time pretty upset with the start of the season. It's you know, I say, maybe. Fans after well. No, no. I'm not saying, no, there's no excuse for that. That's that's just ridiculous. But you know, I I'm guessing some of them are cubs fans that became cubs fans after they won the World Series and just don't know how to take deep breath, and or to hold their alcohol when they're in Milwaukee that can have at least there's always, you know, we could say, well, there's always the next series is always the next game. I mean, they're years in the past. It was always, you know, we're always saying there's always next year. So what cubs fans are so upset about it's early. You know, and I some will probably be annoyed with me saying this. But it's like, you know, take deep breath. This is the team's got some talent. And you know, shouldn't be so upset about the slow start. It's going to flip around and also with some of them with some of that tension that happens Miller park has been overtaken by cubs fans for number years in there. It has been. Yeah. A history. There has been a history of unpleasant Tris between the two fan bases. And from my understanding I haven't been to a cubs Bruce game in a few years. My understanding is the tensions gotten much thicker as the team's got better. And it's become more of an adult and booze infused atmosphere. Which is why you have even more cubs fans in some ways showing up because Bruce fans in some some instances, you know, the family fan isn't bringing their kids to these games anymore. Yeah. I would really it said to see like to see tone down. I don't know if there's much that can be done about. No. I mean world your liquor a little better. And remember it's a baseball game. I don't know. I mean on that. What I don't know what to say. But well, there's a new we've we've had our conversations we haven't we haven't quite hit that level of intensity on in an episode yet. But we've had some phone conversations where. It's. When you had to turn off your phone. So you didn't get any more texts from me, and Brian because we were giving us so much crap lasts. No, I. That's more. My that's more. My brother. He. He has trouble handling the the heat. Sometimes he's really competitive, you know. You know, we were kids we'd play. I remember playing badminton and we'd get into. I'd beat them in badminton. He would absolutely go on a tear disgrace, destroying the racket. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So anyways. Let's through Robin the bus. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, I mean, he gets document been calling down. It's okay. He'll he'll he's he's I've seen these reemerged in our text group tech. So, you know, he's he's okay. We lost them for the weekend after that homo after that opener. I think Friday night. Yeah. He was on vacation. I mean, I get it. But. That's. Yeah. Let's yeah. Let's move on to post cubs brewers series was. So basically the cubs only played one game just the home opener. How'd that go another? Well, offensively another explosion. They totally annihilated the pirates. So that was great. I guess the thing note is Lester, John Lester left the game early hamstring tightness. So it's not at this point necessarily looking to serious, but he's definitely missing his next start and possibly the start. After that. I thought I seen one to two weeks that he'd be on. So that'd be about that could be one start for sure and likely to that's, you know, I think they're still determining you know, whether that's a ten day. Whether they put him on the ten day or not we'll see I think they should. I mean, those soft tissue things you wanna get them fully healed before you start throwing again. I would think, but yeah, I guess it depends. How right. They know more than we do. But yeah, the cubs ended up winning ten to nothing. So that was that was nice. In fact, the bullpen didn't give up a run despite covering seven just over seven innings so bright that must cut the era and like half for the bullpen. Well, yeah. That helps help the bullpen DRA a big time. So so that was good to see and. Yeah, I think was it Brock pitched two innings. He ended up getting the wind Kessler pitched to resign pitch to Strope finish it off with an inning. Of course, not save since it was ten nothing. But but but yeah, no runs, well, guns and only. I guess I guess that shows it was maybe it was the brewers heavy duty lineup that you're struggling with them. Any? Ways. Hit a home run as well. You know? So is that his first of the year then that was his third. Oh, okay. Yeah. Nice. Try though trying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The brewers have had a couple of games since we last spoke on Sunday night out. They've started their six game west coast trip. Three games at the Los Angeles. Angels Vanna Heim three games coming up against the dodgers. So far tough road trip to start the game on Monday night strip. Game on Monday night regression to the me. Good road trip. If you're a cubs fan because you know. Yeah. God forbid, we put eight games between the cubs and the brewers here. But yeah, anyway, so I'm looking at the box score last night's game or kind of start with that a little bit Ferdie Peralta kinda got lit up. So he gave up in what ended up being what ended up being seven earned runs total for, Freddie. That's an awful tough thing to come back from. But guess what? The Bruce did come back. In fact, they had an eight to seven lead at one point in this ball game in the top of the fifth has money grand all has gotten hot. He had two home runs in the game. We also had another long ball from stocks, which I think makes two games in a row. This team is pumping the ball out of the stadium. When they're getting hold of the only guys that have struggled so far this year really to get going probably figure and a little bit of Travis Shaw to both guys are low them in does align at this point. But everybody else is somewhere in the mid to. Goes to the high threes moussaka says only two is only bad to eleven. He's only hitting two eleven but he's been coming around to. It's been a little bit of a slow start for him. But the two that are more obvious, Sean. The funny thing is this team is still putting up a lot of runs. So it's not like it's the end of the world. The bullpen ended up giving up four runs over basically one in the third to two third to four hundred hundred four foreign two third. They gave up, you know, four more runs. That's not good enough. Yeah. That is unsustainable. The good news is there's help coming. You know, everybody seems to be in a panic. Both brewers and cubs fans are clamoring for who are these two guys that are out there hike. I can't remember Kimberly K, lots of ks won't maybe maybe not maybe they get lit up. But. Everybody's in a panic kaikal. And Kim Bruce fans, I wanna talk to you just I briefly remember, we don't necessarily know what we're getting on Jimmy Nelson. When he comes back. We don't necessarily know what we're getting out of Jeremy Jeffers when he comes back. But what we do know is based on everything we're seeing it's going to be an upgrade. It is almost one hundred percent guaranteed to be okay. Maybe fifty seven percent guaranteed to be an upgrade. What would happen is Nelson can get back to healthy insert throwing some innings, and by the way, I saw some of his throwing Donut Donen the miners and his breaking stuff looks outstanding. And he looked you know camera angle plays a role in this a little bit. But he looked very relaxed, and he was just letting rip and the the breaking stuff is darting down and left down. And right is very impressive. So that's exciting. Remember when he comes back if he bumped somebody from the rotation that person can go to the bullpen somebody from the bullpen that absolutely has been getting. Hammered can go down to triple a figure it out and Jeremy Jefferson going to be back here within a week the way it looks even if Jefferson's half of what he was last year. That's a big imprint over a couple of three other guys when we get Nelson and Jefferson back when the brewers get Nelson Jeffers back. There's a very good chance that you're basically improving to bullpen positions and starting rotation position. We need to relax as a fan base and realize that this is early it's April by the end of may beginning of June will know a lot more there's gonna be a trade deadline. It's okay. You don't have to go out. There's a reason kaikal and Kimberly earned signs. There's a reason for it. Usually it's way too much money way. Too many years whatever that means now some brew fans are it's all or nothing it's World Series this year. Yeah. Partly but that doesn't mean you screw up. You know, your next three four off seasons by signing. Somebody that is going to slowly deteriorate due will both of these guys the tier eight maybe maybe not, okay. Maybe it is the right thing to do. Right now is go get one or both of them. But at the same time you're gambling on guys in the thirties. And I would rather keep some of that money for the younger players. Anyway, I'm off my off my high horse. That's enough. Okay. Okay. I let you air that out. I'm kind of on the same page in regards to the cubs. I I don't. Think it would be necessarily the right move. I mean, the pieces are there. Yeah. There's just spend the the craziness early. But you know, like I mentioned with the cubs home opener against the pirates. Now, you know seeing seeing some things come around. I think you gotta give it some time. I I'm surprised that they're not signed yet. Well, I think the whole league is surprised. But like I said that means there's a reason something's going on. Well, in a way holding out if there's cert- certain teams continue to have pitching issues. Whether it starters or bullpen are injuries. I guess it does potentially ramp up their value. Maybe that's the play. You know? I would imagine that's on. Attracts point, right. I don't disagree with you on that. I just look at it. And I remember who was it that came in late after the season. It started for the cardinals last year. There was a reliever one of the highlighted ones. That was supposed to be a big name. And basically was not there closer all year was at Wade Davis. No somebody else. Anyway, long story short. There's no guarantees when you come in that late now is Craig kimbrel to tears better than that person. Was probably. Yeah. But there's been some signs with kimbrel to remember in a previous episode. I mentioned the brewers supposedly had his elbow looked at. Well, if they didn't find something if they found something there, they don't like I don't wanna wrap them up for three or four years. Twenty mil guaranteed for closer that can't even close. You can't be more careful. Sorry, I jumped on my high horse. I'm off. Well, yeah. I mean, I guess we'll see what happens with them. I, you know, I guess I guess looking back at the brewers angels series. Oh, I did want to mention something else. Sure. The the cubs got a player playing for the angels. Apparently the beat up on the brewers still there. The angels are like your AAA affiliate. Is that what you're saying? No the cubs. Tommy la- Stella on the cubs last. Oh, yeah. Angels now. And and yeah, those these first two games. Bers and angels. These he's got three home runs including two yesterday. So yeah. The the brewers have some very very very good batting practice pitchers. Yeah. I guess at the same time. I'm saying these guys it's it's looked ugly at times, it has it has it's a concern in when guys like Tommy la-, stellar hitting that many bombs might wanna look at it a little more. But yeah, he's had a nice series against Milwaukee. No question about it. Did I was smart enough to grab him in a couple of daily fantasy lineups? But it didn't matter. I suck at gambling. So I lost anyway. But it was still cool. That was. Yeah. It's been good. I suppose as a cubs fan a lot of fun to watch somebody like that have some success against the archrival another another thing that was really cool that happened in the series is the one MVP robbing another right? Mike tro. Yeah. Went up and took back a Christian yelich home run that was gonna be a home run. And he made it look really, easy, right? I go back and watch the the Lorenzo Cain opening day robbery. And then once more impressive and a lot of ways because he covered a lot more ground to get there. But trout made it look easy. He made it look like it was going to be a routine catch. And then he had to jump at the back looks so smooth. It's really a treat to get to watch. Mike trope play with him being on the west coast. And in the opposite league. I don't see a lot of him. But it's really nice two nights ago. I managed to stay up through the whole game last night. I didn't quite make it. But it really is a lot of fun to watch that that dude play. And if somebody's gonna get for. Hundred thirty million dollars to play baseball. I guess he's the guy, you know. I do love what yelich has done to begin the season. I think he's making a strong case that he is arguably one of the best players if not the best player in the National League. I think he's the best. But I'm a little bit of a Homer. There's no question in my mind. Mike Schroeder's probably still, you know, the best player in baseball. And it's been fun to watch and annoying to watch. But fun at the same time. But if you haven't seen that highlight as Abreu, and it's worth watching, you know, think about how smooth Renzo Cain makes things look Mike trout does a lot of things that it's moves butter for sure. But yeah, did you wanna talk more about this Stella or did? I cut you off properly. We can move on. No, no. That was fine. Okay. Former cub beaten up on the brewers. That's all I suppose. Yeah. That's a pretty good. You know, pretty good couple games for him there. So anything else you wanna drop on Kimbrell and kaikal since we're still both of us agree. Neither tation. Lights out in a in a very long winded way as. You know, as you tend to do see I think you kinda got got it all out there. So all right. All right. So cubs and Burs fans are agreeing onto things this week right now, or at least you and I are on two things. I think a lot of Bruce fans disagree with me pretty strongly to a lot of cubs fans. Disagree with me. But there's a lot of a lot of vitriol on the old Twitter feed right now with the people in a panic arms up in the air. I can just see him typing, and you can hear this. Here's just pounding on the keyboard? It's like, it's April do they're eight and were it's cool. The good thing about it is people are really into baseball. I mean, if you got people that that wound up this early. I mean, at least, you know, people are watching games people are are paying attention. I'm in a way, it's a sign of the health of the sport and the health of our clubs is that the health of our camps. Yes. For Milwaukee fans to be this wound up this early. Remember what David David Stearns has done a lot this off season. And he's done a lot the last three years to make this team. What it is. Let's give them a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. But I I understand the passion. I watch these games. And I know that bullpens coming out, I'm like, man, I don't know. And you know, Freddie, Peralta went from what eight innings pitched, no runs earn against Cincinnati to absolutely blowing up against the angels. This is something we're gonna have off and on throughout the season with these young guys. And yes, I know I get it. They're supposed to be all in for World Series wire restarting three. Rookies essentially, it's because that's the best three options. We have until Jimmy Nelson. His healthy. I understand why you want Dallas kaikal to fill one of those slots. Let's see what develops if it keeps getting worse than you. Gotta do what you gotta do. And at the end of the season if Stearns does nothing, and that's what costs you, then you can point the finger at them. It's way too early to be pointing blame on a team that's eight and four it's way too early for that. Anyway. Yeah. I guess I got on my soapbox one last time. Yes. Yes. Let me have it on Twitter. I'm at burger winning. Gimme the crap. I probably deserve some of it. You're probably all right. It's probably going to be, you know, a complete implosion. Just give me all the crap on the Twitter feed. It's fine. Where are you at Ryan sear? Cubs fans can get you. At wraps cubs win. You know, tell me why I'm wrong to think that the cubs. Don't need some pitching help right now. I'm not saying they don't need pitching help. Maybe not to that quite to that rat will the thing the difference between the cubs and brewers in my mind. The brewers have some hope coming up with Jefferson Nelson. There's veteran guys that. Yeah. It's been a year and a half since Nelson's pitched I get that. But there are guys that have plenty of talent and somebody we can pin some hope onto where we don't necessarily have to commit and lose guys down the line because we put it all in this year. I don't know if the cubs have that. So cubs fans, go get him. It's R A P S Y S cubs win right at co at wraps. Cubs win is that right? Okay. Perfect into predictions. I think my soapbox. Wait. Do you have a good one for me third? I got a good one. I got a good one. And unless you want to start well since mine relates to the conversation. We just had I think all drop it in right now is that cool. Do it. All right. So here's what's going to happen in my mind. Bruce fans, and I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is this could embarrass me later, but the day that Jeremy Jeffers returns to this bullpen whatever day that is whatever the two weeks previous bullpen ERA has been it'll drop over one point in the following two weeks once he's back. So if there at five if they're at five point six the previous two weeks, they'll be at four point six or better is that bold enough to drop it a full run per nine. Because I think it could go more than that. I just thought one guy coming back to fill out a bullpen. That's struggled a run per nine is a pretty strong one. I. Yeah. I mean, I think you know. I mean, if the I guess the thing with it as if the brewers bullpen continues to be absolutely terrible and doesn't in some way. Make some corrections prior to that it might be pretty easy for for to drop that much bull. Do you wanna go with we could do something where it's like the entire season up to that point the following two weeks? They'll be at least a run better that evens out the that even a little bit. You know, whatever you want it to be. I mean, if they do do if they don't do any correcting it's gonna it should be theoretically, it should be easy. But we're still talking about relying on seven eight guys. And he's only worn piece of the pie it also. But it also allows you to use hater a little bit earlier. It changes the entire shuffle. That the bullpen is. And that's that's why I think it's it's even if Jefferson's half of what he was last year. I think it's a big enough thing that it could drop the entire bullpen area for a run over the next two weeks after he gets there. Okay. Now, though, I so. So that the bullpen ERA will Mark it down. What is it a win when he gets back when he returns when he when he's called up? Yep. For the season thus far shirt ever. It is. That's that's the number. Then we check it again after two weeks. Yup. Inish em I'm predicting it'll be a full run less. And it'll be okay for them. Good with that for the bullpen. Right. Not the whole regarding penny. Are a Yep. Yep. Yeah. I think I have that much confidence in him. Yes. He's not. I don't believe he'll be the same guy after his usage last year in a sore shoulder. I get that. But I also think it's just that one extra guy is really what they're missing Canadian was gone half the season last year Jefferson was down for a while. It's it's time to relax. We're going to be good. What's your what do you got? For me. What's your prediction this week? Yeah, I've been so I got I actually have an all-star break prediction. Okay. Yeah. Let's do it. I'm gonna say. Boy, I've been trying to pinpoint. But now now, I'm like second guessing. But no, I'm gonna go gonna go ahead with it Schwartz. Oh, gosh. Ever is going to have a nine hundred or better Opie s come the all star break, you might as well just put that in the win column for me them. Really? He's not going to be over nine hundred at the all-star break on the OPN come on. Now, you can predict that. Yeah. That's bold that is bowl bold. It's really bold. Not go ahead. Go ahead. No zooms that assumes he doesn't miss more than a couple of weeks between now. And then because if he went down tomorrow with an injury, not that I want him to I'd rather. I'd rather beat the cubs fully healthy. So there's no excuses. Tired of the excuses from cubs fans. But if as long as he makes it, you know, you know, assuming he doesn't get injury right now. Fifty three right now. Eight fifty three is. So you're you're predicting it to go up. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Put it on the table market on the board. Okay. Yeah. Which means if he got injured. Yeah. The the right more if he spends more than, you know, twenty days on the I L I think we wipe that one. But yeah, no. That's that's a bold prediction nine hundred first-half Opie s. Nine hundred or better shorter all-star break, you go girl. Oh, thinking of a home run. Diction, but. You know, we like we like talking about Opie s I think on base plus slugging. Yeah, it's a great indicator of an explosive offense. I think his on base percentage is low. It's right now, it's three twenty five. I think that's going to go up. I think that's going to be the bigger factor. His slugging is five twenty eight. That's I think that's gonna stay steady. But as OBT will go up. So seems reasonable. That's where I'm thinking thinking that. But we'll and he's bad to fifty right now. But I, and I think that that could at least at the very least stay steady if not go up as well. So he's got three home runs. He's looking really good. Yeah. Nine hundred opiates or better at the all-star break. That's that's it. And just a that seems like a very a very strong prediction just to point out to to the fans that didn't listen or didn't get a chance to catch the the series wrap with the cubs. We have had some completions of previous. Yeah. So make sure you go onto the ninety miles podcasts dot com. Webpage. Click on the predictions portion. You can see how we've done right now. I'm sitting at a smooth three thirty three I'm one for three. And remember we're trying to keep these bold. So we aren't we aren't trying to be a thousand percent. We're trying to make this tough. And Ryan sitting at two fifty because he's one for four because he was fully enough to predict a cub sweep. In the first year. Well now. Yeah. With our you know with having our averages are essentially a winning percentage. I think if we look at it as sort of batting average, you know with the kind of predictions were making, you know, three hundred or better all fame. So we'll see how it all looks come the end of the season. And we wanna be in that three hundred or less kinda range. We want him to be bold enough to be doable. I got close. I my Christian yelich one last last were kind of surprisingly close. Yeah. Yeah. Because he predicted five hundred batting average for the series with two home runs while he was four forty four with one home run. That's not bad. You know? But yeah, I mean that's a great series for him. And almost a prediction for me. But that's the kind of stuff we're doing the other thing we were going to talk about too. So yeah, if you want more predictions, go back ninety miles podcasts dot com, check it out. The other thing we're talking about go ahead. Well, just going to say you can search you can search the predictions as well, you can sort them in any different way. You know, if you just wanna see jesse's predictions. You you can you can do that. You can you know, I we it's a nice table there. Yeah. Have some fun with. You can search certain players. So if you're wondering, you know, what who what kind of predictions are out there with say Schwarzer, or you know, or Jimmy Nelson, yell at your whatever Jimmy Nelson and search by player, and they'll they'll pop up so just to have some fun with it and tell us what idiots we are predicting such goofball stuff on Twitter. So that's the idea. Yeah. We did also wanna talk we were talking about at the opening. We mentioned something about the seventh inning stretch. And we're gonna keep this short. Yeah. But we've decided to do is to take that out of our podcast and make it its own short version of a podcast rate. So yeah, separate episode kind of a bonus episode each week that will be separated out. And I think especially now that the season has started. We realized we want to these episodes and be pretty timely. They're gonna. Be in the moment of exactly where we are in the season. And by moving that out separate we can have a separate kind of archive of all those seventh inning stretch episodes. Yes, they'll they'll be his back and listen anytime. Yeah. They'll always will. Hopefully, the ideas they'll always be somewhat relevant at any given moment. Right. This week. It's gonna release it's gonna release later this week. We're gonna talk about the Kerry wood twenty strikeout game and the Ben sheets, you know, eighteen strike oh game and just kind of review those as part of the ninety miles. But it'll be you know, it's an archive for the history of the ninety miles. It'll be an archive for the futuristic ideas. You know is stuff that could be in place at any given time you can always go back to the archives. Listen to it. It will always fresh and the important part is you're not going to have to dig through forty five minutes of something that happened two years ago to find to find. Yeah, that's what we thought. If you like the idea, let us know if you hate the idea. And you preferred in the main thing, let us know that too. We just want some more feedback on it. But I think in the long run this to be better for anybody. That really wants to you know, here's some things that we talk about that are historical or yes. So you'll be able to find that up sewed Kerry wood versus bench sheets. We're gonna talk about that should be out. We'll probably release those on Sundays Saturdays or Sundays. I don't know. Yeah. We'd talked Sunday at this point. You know, whatever if you have a preference as a listener, let us know that to there's a better time to do it for you. You know, we're we're open. I think Saturday or Sunday makes the most sense for that segment though. Yeah. We wanna make sure everyone has a chance to really. You know, take take in our episode. You're listening to right now. And you know, and then s- kinda like you're waiting for the next ninety miles podcast episode, or we what's happening. In the meantime, you can listen to some historical ninety miles right Sunday morning coffee contents. If you will something like that. Sure if break anyway, so so that's what's going on with. No stretch today. Yep. It'll be out Saturday night or Sunday think so. Yeah. And now, so yeah, we'll talk National League central breakdown. Yup. We already talked cardinals knows Oona but cardinals are six and five. So, you know, not the kind of powerhouse start. Although it's not many games. But well, that's why it was important Milwaukee take three out of four from otherwise, you go to and to actually. Okay. Yep. That because you know, just regressing. That's that's fine. Yeah. Okay. You know and pirates are five and four though. That's you know, there's certain a trend in the right direction. Things are thinking the cubs do. Yes. With them the next couple of games, they play tonight and tomorrow, the fun part is it's all what it's already kind of breaking the way, I kind of predicted in my in my preseason prognostication. Yeah. I mean. Ben they've not been good. And they've been they've been entertaining already. So we did both agree on that. They'd be the most entertaining team. And right. And there are indications that they could implode. I'm not like rooting for them to implode. But because I predicted it I kind of you know, I mean, I put it over we talked about that with with he's, you know, a character. What happened was one of the pirate pitchers basically through at one of the reds hitters, and it was it was the guy that picked up Dirk Dietrich believe from Miami. And through the ball behind him. And the next thing, you know, we is over the dugout wall and running at the pitcher and all hell breaks loose, basically. And that is kind of what you expect from a guy like yelp league high emotional character. If you haven't seen the breakdown of it, it's pretty humorous, Tucker Barnhart, and yeah, go ahead. Well, it was Derek Dietrich. Yeah. They threw it Dirk deeter Dirk Dietrich because his previous previous at bat. He he hit that home run. And he he spent a he he gave it a pretty long moment to Meyer was a bomb. History. Did you I don't know if you caught this? I caught it on MLB network. They did a review. This is Chris Chris Archer that through So Chris Archer who used to pitch for the raise. Yes. Pittsburgh Pirates picked him up in a big trade last year. Dirk Dietrich comes over from the Marlins. So the raisin Marlins have that crossover. AL anal- rivalry thing. Right. The cubs. Get the socks get the twins. Same thing for the rays and the Marlins, you know, probably to empty ballpark's watch, you know, baseball. Anyway, beside the point. There had been if you've watched Chris Archer pitch over time. And you're gonna see it more as National League central fan. Now, he is pretty emotional to. He's got a lot of pep in his step when he strikes somebody out. He bounces right. He earlier in the game. And I'm not sure if it was Dietrich, you're the guy I think it was whoever was betting ahead of Dietrich struck him out and the inning, and you kinda bounced off the mound, the fist pump and jumping that kind of thing. He went to the dugout next at bat Dietrich hits one, and he looked at it for days, he waited until the dang thing. Splash down in the allegany before he started running the basis. So yeah. That leads to chaos so the next time archers peo- now. So the ball goes behind Dietrich's backside and what happens, but you know. Yes, y'all Puig happens. Of course, have you seen have you seen the there's a tweet out there to from Tucker Barnhart who's the reds catcher. He's yeah. He's asking left tackle hall of Famer former. Escon grad. Joe Thomas for technique on his blocking technique. You gotta go watch it. It's really funny. It is funny. So Tucker Barnes, not a small, dude. But yes, he'll Puig is huge. So yeah. So he's asking Joe Thomas about you know, technique for blocking. He's like, I think my pad level was little too high. He got outside my hands. Got you know, he's talking like he's trying to block from getting to the pitcher. And just. All it was missing was a swim move from Puig, really. Rushing the passer. It was. Funny. You gotta go check that out if you haven't seen it. Yeah. That's that's at Tucker underscore Barnhart. We'll we'll tweet that. All these tweets mentioned, we will. I think I've retweeted all of them already 'cause I was enjoying him so much. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a so. Yeah, that's your red sitting at two eight, and that's what's going on over there. If they can some chaos with the Pittsburgh Pirates and the cardinals. I have no problem with that. But yeah, yeah. That's fine. Yes. Well, it's gonna be fun. I guess when the cubs face the reds and the brewers face the reds will we'll see what what happens. We'll Milwaukee already swept the reds a three-game set. So they've had a very good start in the NL central losing two to three to Anaheim, whatever you're gonna lose some serious. So, but yeah, very as the season progresses. That's I think if the tension in the emotions are. Running high there and with with Cincinnati. They'll be some more interesting games to come four. Sure for sure so keep your eyes on Cincinnati. Let's see if the implosion happens. I really only thought it'd be about thirty thirty five percent chance of it happening. I might have been might have been more right than I thought. So we'll find out. Anyway, I think that kind of breaks that's kind of the NL central breakdown for this week unless you got anything else. No. I think that that rounds it out. I think you know, it's exciting that we got baseball here now, and that's full time all year, we've got another five and a half months ago. Awesome. Yeah. So so yeah, find us at ninety miles podcasts dot com. Click on subscribe subscribe to the mailing list. We'll have some fun things coming up. You know, maybe some some giveaways and some cool stuff. So that and there's going to be minus on Twitter and Facebook as well. Keep in mind, we're gonna do some more blog posts. But yeah, there's going to be a couple of giveaways. I've got an idea for a blog that was mentioned by Twitter follower. We'll get at that. Maybe hopefully, I can get that up. Maybe next week. We'll see working on that idea right now. But outside of that see cardinals cubs reds are entertaining and suck and the pirates that's about it for viewers suck. So they go. All right. Thanks for listening watch for the new episode. The new stretch, let us know what you think of it. We'll catch you later. Later.

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ThePac-12 Football Players Are United

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ThePac-12 Football Players Are United

"The following podcast includes explicit language not restricted to words beginning with F S B and Q. Hi I'm Josh. Levin slates national editor. This is hang up and listen for the week of August, third, two thousand and twenty. This week Shell discussed the first week inside the NBA Bubble and Major League Baseball's continued misadventures on the planet we call Earth we'll also be joined by UCLA football players Tito Bonia Aleisha get for a conversation about the we are united which athletes from the pack twelve or threatening not play. The conference doesn't listen to their demands for reform. Finally, we'll talk to our own Joel Anderson about his piece on Liberty University's attempted to become sports powerhouse and why black athletes started leaving the school. I'm the author of the Queen the host of slow-burn season four. I'm recording myself on my phone in Washington DC joining me is DC. Legend Stephane Fats, US author of the books, Word Freak, and a few seconds of panic Hello Stephan. Good. Get that Joel Anderson. How'd you pull that off? Josh he was available. I've made myself free on Monday mornings every now and again Jones with us from. Palo. Alto. California, IT'S A it's a chore to get up on. On Monday mornings which all does it because he loves US he's the host of slow burn season three and the author of slates cover story this week Hello Joel Hello just wanted before we move on you said DC legend for Stephan you didn't give me Palo Alto, legend, but I haven't been here long enough. So maybe I'm not a legend out here you know you need to minority Houston legend you need to make you work for for Palo. Alto. But I have something before we move on I, hope that I'm going to be able to be the one to break this to you, jaw because it just came out this morning. Big Big XFL nece. Okay WHOA, what is? Tapping your sources again, Josh, the XFL's assets were purchased by group including Dwayne, the Rock Johnson. Yes. All right. So now what the XFL's fortunes have turned around nothing that the rock does has ever failed. The Rock was involved in the original xfl? All right. Well, maybe that failed but nothing else that Iraq has ever done has failed. This'll be the ultimate test of the xfl's pension for extraordinary rapid failure and it just a box office gold. Yeah mean this time I'm sure they'll announce it and then you know by the time they've left the day it'll. It'll be a fold again. So he's got quite a record of futility to match up to rock I'm sure you can meet it. We all know somebody from Boston. You know someone who wore a New England Jersey thanksgiving dinner and they probably speak their mind loudly. But even when they're double parking or picking a fight with the New, York? Fan Are Boston friends always have our backs. 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The NBA's reopening nights on Thursday featured a pair of very good Games, jazz pelicans and Lakers clippers but decided by two points only complaint not Enough Zion come on Pelicans the day after that, there were two overtime games. Blazers one forty grizzlies one, thirty, five, rockets one, fifty, three, Mavericks One, forty, nine when I'm like that all weekend close and exciting basketball action featuring the NBA's best teams and most exciting players and yes. Some weird fake crowd noise walls of virtual fans inside a bubble at Disneyworld it was was weird but it was good meanwhile Saint Louis Cardinals weekend series against the Milwaukee brewers canceled as at least three cardinals players tested positive for the coronavirus bunch more cancellations. Virus and investigation by a baseball found that marlins players went out on the town and congregated at their hotel bar before their own coronavirus outbreak. The players on the commissioner are now going back and forth about who's to blame for this virus slathered and potentially virus shortened season. End. The simple story line here is that NBA's going great and baseball's a disaster, and this is the case where these simple storyline also feels to me like. Family. Accurate, line I don't know what you're talking about Josh Aaron Judge homered twice on Sunday night fifth straight game in which he's homered. Did you see mookie betts US throw from the right field corner to third base baseball's fine baseball back bay baseball's back I mean you know? Okay you'll. NSS citizen Lorenzo Cain opt out of the season over the weekend. The marlins are a covid Ward unto themselves Rob Manfred, the commissioner through the players under the bus over covert Protocol Management I. Only watched basketball but apart from one Weirdo player, Terrence Davis of the Raptors who cut a hole in his mask. He thinks that we should be spending more time on on nutrition. It looked like the NBA wasn't fact doing pretty well wait did you watch more melby than? Mba, Stephan is that how this worked out? It's possible that I did because the Yankees were on and it's always nice to sort of yourself once in awhile it's probably about it was probably about fifty fifty. Joel Stephens, from a different generation. Basketball didn't exist child. You still remembers the Golden Age of baseball asking that Reggie Jackson. Reggie Jackson. Yeah. I've heard that guy did he play football I think it was a running back. He's a point guard for the clippers. That's right. Yeah, I. Mean I didn't watch much baseball to be honest. But the way that I've kept up with the sport is through the headlines, which is generally bad. I mean, and this is sort of what I wanted to ask you guys about because behind you know like the mookie Betts throw a maybe a few isolated moments says anything baseball done Somehow. Out, these bad corona virus headlines like to the extent that we've heard about baseball the national conversation has anything that's happened on the field made the concerns about their protocols in consequences for players get infected has any of that stuff overshadowed any anything that happened on the field overshadowed anything like that right? Like I don't think. So the Aaron Judge homers were the only thing that I've seen that have really broken through and become not only just like a kind of national story but even like a sports story, the only thing if you're like on twitter, that's feels like the only thing that's broken through people like, wow, that was. Cool and like people were playing clips just like the sound of the the crack of the bat when judge, Dome Runnin, how awesome that that sounded but you know, I, guess the only other kind of vaguely positive thing was people saying after the first few days like actually the extra inning rule where somebody is on second base is like not a total disaster and it seems Kinda Fun Ha but other than that. It's just really been like here's another eighteen players that have tested positive for Covid the commissioner like botching this in passing the blame and they're being like, absolutely no kind of central organizing principles here and A. Baseball seems like you know the way the baseball is being run. It's like a microcosm of the United States government like no responsibility is being taken. No kind of rules were implemented from on high everyone was basically set up to fail, and then when the inevitable failure happens, it's just blaming good blaming the victims essentially I mean the marlins players are dumb for violating the protocols that they deserve Some. A you know a lot of a lot of blame, but it's not like the Commissioner's Office is taking any responsibility for anything that's gone on. No, and the way that Manfred has handling. This is absurd especially again in contrast to a commissioner like Adam Silver Manfred, hasn't the TAB news conference since February apparently, he went on ESPN over the weekend and talked to Kara Ravitch and you said quote the players need to be better but I am not a quitter in general and there is no reason why now we had been fluid but it is manageable I mean. The Guy has worked at Major, League Baseball for more than twenty years. He is the Commissioner of the sport either he's getting terrible PR coaching or he is so blind to the way his words are going to be interpreted that he's incompetent I mean his comments to ravage. Basically. Up The players I mean, John. Lester got pissed off I don't want rob situation and I don't want to put my foot in my mouth on that one but I do know we not only the players but families are making sacrifices day in and day out I don't WanNa put my foot in my mouth I guess stop there nobody is happy here and ignoring the the management labor back and forth. So, many players coaches managers are talking about one thing their reluctance to be doing Dave Martinez. The manager of the nationals nearly broke down at his at his zoom news conference I think on Friday talking about his own fears and concerns about playing through this guy had a heart condition diagnosed last season. So it is totally overridden baseball and by the way mookie Betts amid that great through hurt his hand on Saturday on the next day so. Whether he'll be playing or not. We don't even know one of the management problems here. Jol Is that Major League Baseball developed his hundred plus page protocol manual, but it didn't say what should happen after an outbreak. We've had so much chaos with games getting canceled players being quarantined in hotels in on the road and uncertainty about what the next day let alone the next week or two weeks months are going to hold and it just seems really irresponsible like maybe you know to be fair to them maybe MLB thought. Well, if we have outbreak, there's nothing we can really do anyway there is no game plan for that. So we'll just deal with it as it comes, but that's not really good policy with something that could have long term health effects for your employees right? Like right now we're talking about Edwato Rodriguez. The Boston Red Sox pitcher who is not going to play the rest of the season because he developed coronavirus virus earlier in the year and he led to inflammation of his heart, and that's a long term health consideration that he's going to be dealing with, and so essentially what the MLB is asking people to like take that sort of a risk that well, we'll see how it works out. If you get infected will adjust the rules as they go along but the thing is along the way you don't know who you're sacrificing in trying to perfect your protocol and so I don't know man I just. I always go back to this and I'm going to be the broken record because I'd say I'm broken record every episode but would is baseball doing quite why is it? Is it worth it? Is I don't know that this is such thing as irreparable harm to a brand during these times right? Because we're going to have to recover at some point, there will be some normalcy at some point in. The country in the sports whatever. But the way that they're doing this now in the way that it's happening now like I just cannot imagine that this is good for the MLB as a brand as a company for Labor relations anything else I don't it just seems like maybe they should stop or maybe they should have never started in the first place, but maybe they should just stop your quitter Dole. I'm suspect as a man I'm just pecking my shit and leave him. You know what I mean. WHO WOULD MAKE Why would anybody I totally understand reading these headlines looking at the news seeing what other teams going going to be like what the hell are we doing here? They don't have a plan. So like why would I put myself? Why would I put my family at risk and the thing is The thing is really interesting because I mean, he's had a really fraught relationship with the team for years now for it would take a whole episode to go through them all but I think we're GonNa see, and this is connect connects I think with NFL and opt-outs were sitting there. Okay the mets are three and seven now as teams start to. Pile up losses. Players are just gonNA quit like why are you gonNa stay out there I mean. Sure, guys are going to want to collect their their salaries so I don't think every player on every losing team is going to abandon ship. But I, think this is not going to be the last player who's going to decide for health reasons because they don't want to be apart from their families because the show the baseball's running is so incompetent and inept that they're just going to abandon the sport and I think it would look I mean. I I tend to agree with your Dole that people have pretty short memories with this stuff. So I think that you know the long term damage to baseball's brand I. Don't know how big it concern that is, but I think it would probably be better for baseball if they're the ones that pull the plug and it's not forced on them by every player quitting. The game that would probably be a bad thanking Josh. The players that are gonNA quit are not going to be the lower guys that we've never heard of they're going to be named players. I mean the two players that opted out you know we're now two weeks into the season were were were good players, Yon Assessment us, and Lorenzo Cain. These guys are are big name big. Money players they will they have the luxury of opting out and if you get three or four or five more all-stars starters whoever it's going to be hugely damaging to the season it already is if you look at the standings and you know the mets are three and seven in the Marlins or two and one and the phillies are wanting to because they can't play games because. Corona virus outbreaks and I do think you mentioned the NFL Josh I do think that what's happening in baseball is being watched very, very closely by players in the NFL because they recognize that football at least at this time is trying to do it the same way not isolate everybody in some sort of group bubble or even individual team bubbles though I did see over the weekend that there was consideration that the NFL may try to sequester the entire organizations locally in hotels for the duration of the season. So I think NFL players are looking at the sky and. This is my future and reevaluating the number of NFL players that have opted out is already above forty. Including eight members of the New England. Patriots. And again, some first and second year guys that are concerned about health or family reasons. But also players that you've heard of Patrick Chung Dont`a hightower on the Patriots Marcus Cannon TCU Alum Yeah Damian, Williams Kansas City? Nate solder on the giants are Devin funchess on the packers. These are players that you know and the reasons vary a lot. A lot of them are linemen because Lyon are overweight and tend to have underlying health conditions or. Risks for future health conditions. So you're seeing this attrition already and how the NFL is going to address that Oh. Yeah. Let's move to the NBA which is the success story here and I've a couple theories as to why and I think the one that I've felt like has been a little bit kind of under explored is the fact that this is what it looks like in a league with a deeper talent pool because it's been contracted, they ate worst teams in the NBA? are not in the bubble in Orlando and you know we've talked a bunch of times on this show about the issue of tanking, and then be NBA An and other leagues and whether it's explicit or not. I'm you do have A bunch of games in all sports and the regular season that just don't matter. And the teams are just kind of playing out the string and aren't trying but also because of like you know the fact that we're getting games back to back to back, you have this feel in the these games like it feels like what basketball should be lake. It's like the best players only games only teams playing a lot and making it easier for fans to watch. Rob Perez tweeted this dislike how do we make the normal season? Like this is such an amazing contrast where every other sport is just like screwing up. So badly then we actually seems better. It's also interesting to me to write because we talked a lot about player protests movement and like how much the Games would day of what they not overshadow the players messaging off the court right and I feel like there's been a really good between both like we've been we've been able to talk about black lives. Matter and the slogans on the back of Players Jerseys, and we've been able to talk about how the players of how the Games of liquid would've all been. You know as far as I'm concerned, fairly high quality I haven't watched every game, but they've all seemed to have been really entertaining and well played games, which is a shot given it. They took four months off, but it's just been a really good balance of both like they've balanced what's happening in the bubble with what's happening outside of the bubble in. It feels like possibly the best case scenario for any of the restarts that we've had thus far but. I mean all we gotta come back to the fact that it's early right and we've already seen that Lou Williams we talked about him briefly last week you know who was excused from the bubble to go to a family funeral and it was found out that he was at magic city getting wings and he said Hey I'm just here getting wings. Wings and then dancer from magic. City told the La Times that? No actually, I gave him a dance while he was there, it was a socially distant dance. Say they didn't touch each other. That's fair. That's fair. Just a brief interruption job but I think an incredibly telling contrast between his NBA like Lou. Williams goes to magic city with a mask on there's like instantly recognized and on instagram it's. Six Man of the La. Clippers. Entire Florida marlins franchise apparently is going out on the town in Atlanta nobody reports on it. Nobody knows about it. They could have been wearing their full uniform. Probably. Just like you and me Josh. Continue. But it seems to me though that Lou Williams is sort of you know he's been made an example right of so being irresponsible and not necessarily following in line with protocol, but it's early and we still again we come back to this like these are still human being like you just cannot predict with any one person is going to do and who might eventually get tired I mean they got that got Davis that you mentioned earlier who has a hole in his mask. So who's to say that you know three weeks from now we're not talking about somebody we find out that they went on a bender in Orlando which does have clips by the way which. You know or just whatever all these other entertainment options. Yeah but but JAL like. If one person by like the NBA has such a strong system in place that if anybody breaks the protocol or if anybody gets the virus, they can do contact tracing. They can do like it's not going to get as as bad as it is in baseball like it might still be a bad idea in my code south. But like the NBA like has a plan, right? It won't won't be like MLB. Right that's true but we don't know the ways in which you can look bad. You know what I mean does that make sense because we I mean we still figuring out the disease. We're still figuring out how the bubble is going to work. It's just really early to declare success right one laps and it's the corona virus it can spread rapidly inside this closed society. There are no guarantees here in the NBA. Terrence. Davis walls walking around with the whole in his mask and telling people that all push masks social distancing tests and vaccines. Nothing about vitamins healthy foods are sunshine. The game is rigged. The NBA. Way To leak to mark Stein on of the New York Times the teams were notified to reemphasize the use of masks and to warn players that they were gonNA crack down. Michael Porter Jr.. The nuggets was also spreading some. Conspiracy stuff, which is not great. Again just imagine somebody going out coming back. They don't have to I mean, do you really think that there's nobody that's penetrated the bubble? That's supposed to be there that. Everybody. The issue isn't going to be one player because the players are being monitored like crazy. The issue is if a hotel worker Br. Their bunch of people that are allowed to come go in and leave every day I don't know if it's dozens or hundreds, but it's like one player does it Seems like kind of blaming. No no I'm not saying that it's a I'm not trying to say that you know put the burden on the players here that like if if it all goes wrong that it's the players fault but all it takes one player to breach the bubble come into contact with his teammates and then we have an outbreak you're saying it's just it just seems really early to say that this is absolutely a success. That's all I'm saying, let's wrap it up by saying. That the concentrated nature of this has helped magnify for the League the other message you mentioned the black lives matter stuff. These news conferences have been so targeted that athletes and coaches that have wanted to get a point across have been able to and people are going to pay attention because everyone's watching Jalen Brown talked about how Francis Scott key on slaves and mention this third verse of the Star spangled banner also mentioning Slavery Gregg Popovich was asked. About markle Bella status. And went off on a long and thoughtful and cogent because it's Popovich, monologue about voting rights and and the repression of blacks rights vote a century ago you mentioned the confederate officer William Guthrie. And that at the very end after this long rambling. Wonderful. Monologue. Said markle Elliot's out tonight So The NBA's Bobble is working in that regard you know, and also let's not hockey's seems to be working. They just got started the NHL, soccer the men and women both had great successor in the men's soccer major league soccer's not done yet in terms of working inside the bubble. So the NBA we're going to focus on because we love the NBA and it's the most watched sport but these other sports that are doing bubbles or having success as well. Let's be honest. It's been a few years since the PAC twelve conference had a real impact on the National College football conversation, not anymore on Sunday more than four hundred players in the PAC twelve published a list of seventeen demands under the Hashtag we are united they range from simple request like health protections during the pandemic to more ambitious ones like fifty percent of the conference's football revenue to be distributed among the players. If those demands aren't met, the player said, they're prepared to set out of fall camp in any game scheduled for this fall neck spring. Today on the show, we have two members of the group both from UCLA Elisha jittery a rising sophomore defensive back from Long Beach California in Tito Bonia arising junior defensive tackle from. HOUSTON, thanks for coming on with US this morning Galatian not I guess the first question is, how did this group in the list of demands come together? You know it was something that you know we we always knew I think individually and you'll just team wise of at is sentiment that most people felt Ainhoa We're just waiting for an opportunity to get to get this whole thing going in the started with no with some are some of the cow. used this as an opportunity to to demand. You know change you know an and try to try to get something done here on by I. Guess You could save by writing these necessary. An we kind of deemed this to be very necessary in his of time long overdue, and this is something that he'll the hard work of some of those guys who led this lead this thing in the beginning of kindness relentless efforts in as we've heard, we've heard people you know trying to tell us that it's not gonNa work. You know things like that and just keeping our in our heads down and. Getting the work with this, and then you know just with doom causes resume that allowed us to do this thing kind of being an pandemic because otherwise it'd be very hard to coordinate a movement in this big in a normal time. So I'm in a way Kinda think you that kind of thing that we had a Democrat worse in disruptive in in various ways. But. It's also giving us this opportunity to do this. In the way we've done it. He also if I might add I feel like just a social movement as are the civil rights movement that's going on Country Austin inspired There's a lot of inequalities that people are noticing like people are being awaken to seeing some of the things that goes on swirl not feel like. College football has made him as well. Just kind of the the big pushback Konin. Putting guys that risks with the Kobe I feel like it's not really addressing elephant in the room with the I mean the season on rising knock like guys I mean guys have dot. Zino. Guys, guys, Wanna I mean we bit the cow guys restarted people in the cons Kinda got their thoughts and that's kind of how the ball got ruined Just. This movement mirrors devise move in the country as well. Elisha. There are seventeen demands on the list is Joel mentioned what are kind of the top line ones as far as you're concerned, what are the ones that you want folks to really be aware of her me snaps now feel like they're all important I mean death fooling the players safety cove in sharing the If a player decides to opt out or is eligibilities honored in that he is a comeback next year sapient not lose his status as team as well as well as different things with the getting Sheri- replays. When they finish because football takes a toll on the body and the mind when I feel like once a player has done that connor economy just kick out there kind of just thrown in the world without I mean not a lot of guidance and they put a lot about a lot into this football basket. So you know they're Kinda. They Kinda don't really have an idea. Of what to do and Connor, they might have some bruises they might be affected mentally. So it's kind of have not as low as. I feel like the name image and likeness is very important because players plays deserve to be able to create wealth for themselves. With the feel like. A lot of players come from lower income homes, OUGHTA players have struggles that they have to in football is kinda their way out. You know. So just kind of having an opportunity to be able to affect their families in effect communities in people around them with sports even if they don't make it to the NFL is very important. Tito I was going to follow up on that Bhai signed the demand that they've gotten. A lot of attention of course is asking for fifty percent of revenue from the conference to be directed toward players I mean realistically, there's No way that the PAC twelve leaders are going to agree to that immediately. So it does feel like by asking it, you're bringing this out into the open, the idea that athletes want. Are Aware of the inequities here and that we've got a move toward some system that helps compensate them in some way is that how you view it were? Or the ambitions higher among the group. That's exactly how we view. I, think when you exploit a group of people for this amount of time, this is kind of what you get. They had their opportunity to fix this multiple opportunities and they've kind of denied even trying and one thing we as a group aren't willing to accept is the idea that it's not possible of this country was brought up on working hard and I'm doing the. and. There are ways to get done in a number of plants that are being sent lace another number waste. We can come up to the PAC twelve in given my ideas but the ultimate thing at the end of the day it in regards to that fifty percent revenue It's it's it's it's ambitious in its high and it's asking law but you know if you WANNA put us in the real world, which is the real world is what we are in I. Don't think we're exempt from reality here. We live in this country just like everybody else and in regards to name image and likeness. Know, why should be the only citizens country or denied making money off of will we are knock? Brad why is it that of you know a kid at Ucla and you know Musician team go perform made a couple of hundred bucks off of their name, which is, and maybe they might even be scholarship but you know when it comes on athletes Holbeck different story. So that argument from that, you know the poll principal audit alone. Definitely you know Kinda angers people because I don't see where the school loses money there I don't see where the reality rat reallocation on is there. So it's good that it's in an instant progress, but it definitely brings up the question. Why did it take? So long you know, why were they trying to deny this for individuals for Iran timing and I think that's where that's social justice discount comes in right when you deny group certain rights of you start to wonder why you're doing it and so that's kind of how we've allowed this entire movement with the social justice. I want to ask you this is for you guys a little more than a month ago before even the United we stand movement UCLA, itself published its own list of demands, the football players published L. listed demand related to virus protections, right so there was obviously like an activist within the team already and I'm just curious to know where is the team with that does that sort of been subsumed by this larger movement the United we stand movement or is the team still pursuing these listed demands related to that earlier ask about a month ago? I've got to mention you know when you asked about the started this movement. In one thing those guys told us that they saw our letter. To our university, they saw what was published nats in the kind of took that leap from us out. To see that in regards to where it where rat now for the most part where know doing well in terms of guaranteeing Kobe protections doing everything right our university in their power in do for us we're taking a very conservative approach. To. Getting back to play in competition that's even feasible but our biggest thing. I think as a university in an apartment was making sure the players safe if ECO data throughout the department throughout the system I think people ask for further ovid things. It's higher than it's up. It's it's much higher than UCLA has you know this is above Ucla's above anyone conference or anyone else score above one person or anyone coacher a D. It's a conference in conference has the power to get some of these things done as you. As you've seen you know the NC the conference aren't necessarily as a joint as as one may think in a lot of times were You know separately a lot of these on these matters here kind of going up with Tito said just. Like the cow guys kind of solid things that we were asking in a stockrooms. So it's like, okay like we really don't. We don't necessarily add things like that like we don't have the same type of text and that's kind of something we want because we show us We're taking this risk coming back to school in China to participate in this game, we kind of want to be protected as well. So I feel like just kind of seeing that in wanting to know okay. Like is this this how things are going Oregon status? How things are going in? Washington is kind of. Asking guys around Kinda. Kinda. Got I. Guess That's Kinda got the boggling. You know 'cause I mean at the end of the day we all love football we all. Spend tone some time playing. You know since we were kids and we want to do that as safe as possible especially during this endemic. So I feel like this. Is what guy everybody started in Kinda got us all connected in it. We realized that there were more issues than just with the covid nineteen precautions. So that's kind of what brought us to forming the group. So I think it's important for folks listening to this to understand how kind of amazing and unusual it is what you guys are doing even doing this interview like there was a story recently about the University of Iowa, they don't even let their players beyond social media I mean the amount of control at programs about what they allow you guys to say what they allow you guys to. To represent and do in public like so restrictive and so the fact that you guys are talking about the fact that you put this message out, it's four college sports on for College football this is an enormous deal and we've already seen like they're kind of varying reports about what's going on at Washington state in your conference about potential repercussions for players there for joining this movement and for speaking out and so are you guys at all concerns about potential repercussions from UCLA and are you aware of the kind of power imbalance coach chip? Kelly was an NFL coach he's a multi multimillionaire. And you guys are you know you could have your scholarships taken away potentially? Yeah. I i. think that's something that a lot of people sit when when they're joining his woman I think in when you join trying to join something. With this magnitude Kinda get the idea of what what you're what you're getting yourself into. A make amends with that with the with the consequences which are which are doing but I think ultimately I'm at peace with myself. Anyway. Any regardless of course I love my scholarship Team, but that's not something that will our coach or art administrations ever They've never done this in that manner and I don't think they will in no. It's been relatively positive and we haven't seen any type of type of repercussion retaliation from from anybody from our school in hurts to see that type of stuff being exemplified at Washington state because tell people to stand up for what they believe in in this world. In one, we want to support something I. Think you'd have the freedom of do it in regards to you know speaking out in olding your tongue a lot of these things. I think that's where the conference's in the universities, the hostile the whole gains control over individuals because you start to feel a certain way after you're done football When you're when you're in this system, you feel silence you feel like you can't say. I'm not takes a toll on you. Definitely takes taking a toll on me until I kind of had a realization of. Who I am who I want to be in this world and that's not somebody who who silenced or a feels like they can't be who they are on because of what I'm doing. I. Don't think that's always sign up accent doesn't say that in our. Letter Pat are they didn't say that anywhere so it's not necessarily something that I think it's just a flaw of the system. Something that we're trying to correct you shouldn't are anybody from Friedman say what they want without feeling like they may get cut or that they make it blackballed by their team, their coach whoever know that person may be so that's why the Washington state situation is very significant in our is you know were well aware of what's going on we're trying to address the Canada help those guys out there is following up on that like I feel like if for real taints come, you know you kinda gotta put yourself out there and that's something that even I know I know a lot of guys. In. Even myself kind of had to battling what was the worst case scenario you know and that's kind of something. Now, you think some always in the back of your mind for me cume to piece. That if if I have to be sacrificed for to to to have a greater movement come, then that's gonna I'm okay with you know if I can. If I gotTA, sit out to help change for my children are friends, children that are to come the next race you know. That's something not you know at the end of the day is going to make things better in if I if I have to be the one that hassling has to be at at expense for that you know that's something I'm okay with so I feel like. Just I mean just in terms of say it's very sad because. Those players they they. They stood up for themselves they stood up and what believe then they stood up for what they thought was right. What a lot of people that was right and they weren't even allowed to do that without repercussions. So it's it's something that's very sad and I don't think is should be acceptable in in a lot of people's eyes so. Yeah. So I mean this. Is a lot a lot to unpack with that with that situation up there actually at does play as kind of Gut cheater. Wrong. It just reinforces the the system of just. Having players to play kind of explain them for their talents and not really allowed him to beat themselves not really allowing them to. Have a voice not outlining to pursue the things that they wanNA pursue you know. The time constraints in their Kinda got the heavy I on them and they wanNA please coach so much but. Is just kind of in kind of. Keeping that psych run Exploitation that something that we're trying to eliminate with speaking out in novels you know we really want to empower the we power the college up to be able to voice be able to. Unify among sports, not just football, but amongst all sports at the school in. I mean really. Really, being grow into the person that they wanna beat because that's what college is all about your in a runoff with fully said I. think that's the ultimate goal that's not listed in those demands and I don't think people necessarily get that sense. Is that yet we're asking for all these things that are tangible than you see on April. At. The end of the day. That's that's what we're asking. We're looking for. We're looking for a change of -ception changing in changing news. We understand that of people think of certain way because of what's been projected. But it doesn't have to be that. When we all know that you'll change can happen enosis who's willing to do it who's willing to work for that in like I said, I can accept the idea that it's hard or it's too hard i. think everything's hard. You know everybody has difficult times, but you'd have to work to get you know to to to change to change the roles and that's what we're trying to do your China China change that perception. Alleviate some of the some of the pains, discomforts that a lot of these athletes that we have it. You have a little bit better than most do it means because you're in the situation that you asked Bien doesn't mean you chant a Try to change on the imperfections that are that go along with. You guys have very effectively identified and attacked the main. Pressure point that universities have used for decades, which is that athletes are transient. They don't stay very long. It's difficult for them to get organized and there's the power of the institutions and the NCAA bearing down on them. I was impressed in the statement that and what you just said about preserving all existing sports. It's not just about football and basketball, and you mentioned that in the statement and you also attack that the argument that. These sports are more difficult to sustain by saying that what you need to do is reduce spending on facilities and administrators and salaries. Tito I WANNA ask you specifically era. shot-putter additional football player with Olympic aspirations. You've experienced college sports from the perspective of an athlete in a big revenue Sport Non Revenue Sport. How has that influenced your thinking in terms of how you want this movement to go forward. Opening so why I got here UCLA. Fully, immersed in football for the first part of you. Over attract side and the sentiments they feel towards revenue sports. It's great and I'm not trying to speak for everybody. But the notion that I got that we spoon fed on a silver platter you know that week we got everything that they didn't get. In fact we were taken away from what day also sense deserve to perform training any no compete at the highest level and to to an extent that was true of in nothing's perfect. But UCLA, you know we're not not. You know they're not feeding guys attract the same the same amount of news of feeding guys. At The Washington but at the end of the day, like those resources I'm can be allocated in a better way. So for us, he would like to say that we have these live Things that that and I agree we do. Our thing, our biggest thing is. When we get to these universities, it looks Nice when you're getting recruited when I arrive there I'm you definitely understand that that stuff doesn't matter. To Win Games, you're you're not to have the best locker room to win games your have to have the nicest patio or sliding your locker room. That's not what's required to win football games. You see that Ecuador, the National International, only some of those facilities are no comparison. Don't compare to what we have the college collegiate level. In terms of facilities in awaits and all those things they have identified that to be a good football player you don't you need a few facility and it is a perfect NFO. No I think they kind of Echo a little bit better system in terms of how to use your resources wisely Being does for an athlete yet to see. Why ways they can preserve revenue sports they say that you can't compete if you don't operate your facilities, but that's the whole principle. That's wrong. In this whole system right of we shouldn't be trying to invest in a the the facilities. Why didn't you invest in right? You get on this you say how can pass compete if we don't invest in scillies well, it's never going to be equal. You know if we keep spending money, you think we're ever been reached the amount of spending that the SEC does on SEC does on in recruiting or in facilities I don't think so you're not gonna you're not gonNA put yourself in all. Just to make sure that you can keep recruiting I. Think we could. We could reverse or reimagined the thinking there and and try to reallocate these funds better an do it in a way that doesn't require excessive spending I'm just going to ask this I mean, we're right here early August football season is theoretically a few weeks away. Where do you think we'll be in October? Do you guys think you'll be playing football? It's up in the Air I don't think anybody can give you anything definitive at this white a of unknowns like everybody everybody's. Be says. It's just one of those things like you're hoping you're hoping. That we can play a role. In safest way also you know and in A. County is moving right now don't see necessarily on these are from our movement. We don't necessarily see how we could move forward to go from the ten men that were in right now to full-fledged competition of testing. Yet we we still have a lot of things you need to do to prepare for that, and we're not there yet on we can get there and it's possible but there's also a chance they may not be as well. My Mom's actually a transition. So people like them that study medicine. Kinda. Know how things work it's still a new vice it's not could. But they know how they know how these things work. So we KINDA got a kid he in. Air there would however they're feeling about it they don't think it's safe. I feel like we can't. We can't try to force you know Kinda Got Kinda. GotTa go. We kind of got a go at it in the safest way possibly because I feel like if you tried, it might have an MLB situation where a whole team gets out allegations out are like ms this is really work. I think Major League, baseball needs to listen to. Elisha because when you screw things up really really badly than A problem with with Cova is now known as an MLB situation. As an organization is to be associated with screwing up so badly that it becomes as an MLB situation and they'll be needs to listen to college football needs to listen to you guys. Yeah. Oh I show Tito. We are so glad to have you which you guys are doing is tremendously courageous. Thank you all so much for your time and I, hope maybe we can circle back around and check in on you all maybe later and and see how how things are working with the movement it. No problem. All right on our bona segment for slate plus members. This week, we are going to talk more about college football. We'll talk about our reactions to the interview that we did with the UCLA guys and just talk about what else is going on in the sport, which is being kind of upended as we speak with news about cove Ed and players speaking out in ways that they haven't before. So if you want to hear that you've got to be a slate plus member just thirty five dollars for the first year, you can sign up at slate, dot, com slash hangup plus. It's been weird to see liberty. University. Try to turn itself into a competitive d one sports school. But in the last four years the conservative Christian University founded by right-wing televangelist. Jerry Falwell and run today by Jerry. Falwell. Junior has spent one hundred and fifty million dollars on athletic facilities. It's one a bowl game and an NCAA men's basketball. Game and it's done. So by recruiting athletes who might otherwise not be considered a good fit black athletes that is on an overwhelmingly white campus led by a man falwell junior whose political and personal beliefs might fairly be characterized as well racist as Joel reports in his fantastic long form story that posted enslaved on Sunday the Social Justice Movement has helped clarify the place and views of black students on the Lynchburg Virginia campus, a series of racist comments and behaviors including by Falwell himself has led at least four black athletes to transfer exposing liberties efforts to go big time for what it is an attempt to use sports, not only to slurp up some of the billions in revenue sloshing through. The system but to cover up the underlying realities of what the school and its leadership ultimately represent Joel first congrats on this fantastic piece of reporting and writing man. Well, Don. Thank you. Thank you very much. Let's start with one of the predicate incidents for the spate of transfers which you describe in the lead of your piece. It involves one of the athletes whose transferring a football defensive back named Tehran land tell us about land and what happened to him. So yeah, TV on land he is a rising sophomore was the highest rated football recruit ever to sign with liberty the year before he's on campus in mid June for a summer math class and while he's in. Math, class The. makes a joke to one of his teammates that you know don't be scared. I'M NOT GONNA pull out my whip it hit you and this is related to a question he asked that player about whether or not he needed a tutor for class the player was like You know he's like I'm not don't be scared I'm not going to pull out my whip and hit which obviously carries these really ugly racial connotations slavery and all that good stuff in it happens in this moment when liberty is already sort of roiling after a president Jerry Falwell had sent out a tweet making fun of black face there had been. All these other incidents that had been building up over the year, and so by the time, this incident happens in class with Savion land the football player he had enough muses like I'm done I don't WanNa be here anymore and four days later on puts his name with the transfer of portal announces that he's leaving and all hell breaks loose. That's when everybody kind of gets to see that Oh you know liberty is losing its be the best football recruited signed and he's saying it's because of racial insensitivity cultural insensitivity, and so that's kind of what made me want to look into it a little bit more because that's dot. Players always whisper about that when they leave a program or they go somewhere else and they'll say well I didn't like it fair. This sort of thing happened to me but for somebody to say so explicitly. Say It's so publicly at a school that is like very like pugnacious like fighters, Jerry, Falwell tweets, just like trump. So for that kid to do that was a really courageous act and that's what made me want to look into it a little more. So so we just talked about this movement in the PAC twelve the we are united campaign and the effort to kind of change. The way that college sports are governed in the the way that they operate I think the liberty story is useful in the way that it lays bare all the stuff that sort of underlies the relationships between athletes and the these schools. It's just barely below the surface it's it's really above. The surface at liberty they're trying to. Make themselves into a sports powerhouse in order to launder their reputation, it's all very kind of explicit in the athletes are very clearly being used. by the school and so I. Guess The question is and you explain it in the story but I think it'd be useful for you to explain it here just like why would a black athlete or why would any athlete go to liberty and sort of played their part? In this including you know I think the the answer would be because they believe what Liberty Song but I think some of these athletes didn't even believe in it when they signed on in the first place yeah. No, I think you know in the story we have to athletes thus spoke to about the experiences there and they represent both sides of that Coin Right Asia tied the women's basketball player who transferred even a few weeks before TV on land for the same reason and For Asia, the precipitating event was Jerry Falwell's tweet about black face. That was what caused her to leave but she'd actually chose liberty like she had options she could have gone to Butler Florida Gulf coast few other schools and you know she's from a very religious family. Her father is pastor the coaches you know really liked her and she really vibe with them and she chose the school right now she didn't have a greater appreciation for the Falwell family and everything that liberty sorta represents but. They lead we've evangelical. Christianity and sees a Christian and she said I could play basketball I. can you know practice my religion here and you know maybe there'll be people that are like minded like me so she went but Savion The highest rated recruit and Liberty football history. He didn't want to be there. He didn't even know that liberty really existed a would it was about until his offer got pulled from the University of Maryland. So tape on gets his offer pulled from Maryland which had fired Dj Durkan in hired Mike Logically, and so the commitment, the verbal commitment, the TV on land basically didn't go away but he knew that he wasn't going to be welcomed into that recruiting class so. He had to find another school in basically week in liberty had some openings right and so you know of the schools that were available liberty plays in the F. B. S. they have great facilities fantastic. Everybody that you talk about their athletic program talks about you know there's nobody outside of the power five conferences that has better facilities than liberty. They've got all this money to burn and they put it into facility so and they'd start sending guys to the NFL. Couple yeah. They you know they're doing better than they had been right and. They had a guy that just got drafted into fourth round by the Washington NFL team this past spring. So yeah, I mean he looked at that and said, well, this might as a might as well go here if I don't go here, where else is he go? You might end up at school even further off the radar or some place else. So liberty was his best option, but that's not where he wanted to. Go. So he ended up. So that's that's why I thought it was instructive because you want at least for me I wanted to have an athlete chose liberty because it was liberty and an athlete like Savion who ended up there because for lack of better options, the thing that most schools do when they try to change their image is to at least pay lip service to the broader culture you know Baylor as A. Religious Institution and it has succeeded for decades in fitting in two big time sports liberty though the underlying ethos of the place, you quote a professor at a different university studies religion saying that the school was born out of a culture that was systematically racist and they won't address that because they don't even believe in it. So Liberty is making no attempt to create a climate that will make these athletes. These black athletes feel safe. So Joe isn't it wasn't it inevitable? I. Mean I'm not even sure that we needed. George Floyd and BLM and nationwide protests to to have this facade crumble as quickly as it seems to be crumbling I mean you point out in the story the ten percent of liberty students were black as recently as two thousand seven in the numbers down to four percent and of that four percent I'd like to know how many are athletes. That have been brought in for the purpose of trying to change liberties image. So a lot of schools do lip service to trying to engage in the culture and make athletes feel welcome and liberty possibly could pull that off. If Jerry Falwell junior wasn't the president of the university and he didn't sort of overshadow everything that the school does right because they've got coach Hugh freeze coached in the SEC. Familiar he's the head coach at liberty for people who listeners don't know and. He was previously at Ole. Miss. So He's used to recruiting athletes like taking on land better athletes taking on land. They can create a culture off campus and at the football facility that is appealing to athletes but then it always comes back to Jerry Falwell in this sort of environment that he creates on campus whether it's welcoming you know sort of antagonistic conservatives like Charles Kirk and Nigel Farraj candice own to even I. Think the thing that really shocked me, and maybe this is just because I'm of a certain age whatever. But like the idea that their school the government is named after Jesse Helms really tells you something you know what I mean like if. They. You know they there's sort of leaning into this. You know far-right republicanism that you know if you scratch a little bit beneath the surface, it's I mean for a black person like myself like, oh, man that's really racist. That's like Daesh Isley racist. But I think that if it was not Jerry Falwell, they're like if somehow they had another president that maybe some of that might turn a little bit and you know what? I mean our colleague Ruth Graham who's written a lot about liberty talks a lot about. The internal battle, their campus that Jerry Falwell is a source of dissension among supporters, alums that a lot of people want him gone but you know he's in a position where most of the board of trustees of people that over their positions to him, and it's up to them to make them to to make him do something to make him leave and they're not going to do that because they're Jerry's guys. So that's kind of the problem that liberty has. Right. Now, like Jerry Falwell sits at the top of this this pyramid, he makes a lot of money for them. He brings a lot of attention to them but a lot of it is bad and you know like they can be the school that he wants to be. But if they're going to be like that, it's going to be really tough difficult to build a Soda Athletic Program that they've always wanted to build. Yeah and I think that's the point to make. Because Stefan like so many of our institutions are built on racist foundations and are going to be able to weather this. Even if they don't change just because I think there's a sort of like comfort is the wrong word but if like everyone is racist, then you don't really stand out and it's like remarkable that liberty is so racist that it actually does stand out among. All these institutions that have these these racist histories and lineages I think that they would have and could have successfully laundered that with just a different person at the top and somebody who makes more conciliatory public statements and you know if you compare it, it wants its peer institutions to places like Byu, Notre, dame and Byu has had decades worth if not more of problems with. Trying to assimilate the racist history and believe and beliefs of that church institution with its desire to win basketball and football games, and there've been a bunch of really good stories written about the kind of path that black athletes on that campus have to walk and the like really horrible time that a lot of athletes have had dealing with the honor code and all sorts of. Other issues I think Notre Dame has been more successful and maybe you mentioned Baylor we all know what Baylor is kind of terrible history in the last few years. But you know dame has to take one example like a women basketball coach and Muffin. McGraw who's like an outspoken feminist and they've been able to recruit and attract an amazing run of players and one national championship. So You need to be able to or willing to make these kinds of compromises. If you're a religious institution that wants to win and you know Liberty One Ncaa Tournament basketball game, and it looked like it was working for them, and as you note, and the piece Dole when they won that game like the vast majority of coverage of it was like what fun Cinderella Story and you know what a what a great scrappy team and it was if we needed any evidence that was you know pretty clear evidence that if you win than it actually is an incredibly effective marketing strategy. Yeah. No absolutely I mean. I think you said launder the reputation is a really good way of of saying it because you know winning can cure a lot of that and I mean, you know one thing to think about with liberty is that it had that the basketball coach Ritchie McKay black head coach They recruit much the same way as a football team. They recruit you know they're going up against schools like. St. East Carolina for athletes and they beat them out occasionally because they've got great facilities and good coaches, and if you can just hang out at the athletic facility log enough you know it could feel like home but once you step away from that, it's difficult. But you know I was thinking about this is that liberty isn't It's not so different to me than Ole Miss West to me in the nineties like I used to look at. Ole Miss and I'm like, how could a black player ever go to Ole miss because this isn't too long after they were flying confederate flags in the stands and it just seemed like a really hostile place to black athletes. But you know I didn't the administration and people it. Oh, missive worked really hard to make it. A place that you know is welcoming to black another in other students of color there in the last twenty. Years or so they. Think they have something maybe fifteen percent maybe twenty percent of their Undergrad body is black and they've done all these other things to make it a place. It's a little bit more welcoming than sort of fights against that culture and the history of white supremacy. Whereas as we've mentioned you liberty is just not willing to do that and you know it's it's tough to say that I. I. Don't even think we'll ever get to a point where they're going to win so much that will be able to forget that. You know I'm this they're going to have kind of a cap on. Them, I mean they're not in a conference right now individual for football lease and just a lot of Gaza just not going to want to do that. It's kind of like Byu. You mentioned Byu like Byu is not going to get Mikey Williams, the top basketball player in the class of Twenty, thousand, twenty three, you know that guy's not going to be considering them because nobody wants to go through that. So the there's going to be a cap on the amount of waves are going to be able to make it that program but Byu did win a national title and early. If the if the CAP on liberty as the National Championship I think they probably sign on for that, right? Well. So we have to go back and maybe that should have been our my after ball. If I've done one this week because I I know people always look at that nineteen, eighty-four. Byu. Each cheap and it just like. They were the best team in the country. They just happen to be undefeated that year but yes, that's true. Yes. If they win just one nestle, championship that. Probably would not qualify as a disappointment to Jerry Falwell share I mean Joel. Do you think that what's happened in the last few months is a know is a death sentence for liberties future as a potential successful d one program or is it possible that even with Falwell in charge it could look at other schools like Byu like Clemson schools that have used religion as A. Way To attract top athletes obviously, the politics don't seem changeable with this guy or the institution generally how does that word spread and does it mean that we're GonNa see more athletes leave the school and fewer black athletes sign up maybe it'll be fewer TV on lands were like I don't know much about it but hey, there football building looks good I'm GonNa go there right? Yeah. That'll be really interesting I think that like certainly in the short run that they're gonNA have difficulty talk with. A. Few Black alums who didn't want to go on the record about how there are a lot of kids just don't want to deal with the liberty right now because people you know all these issues about racism in in no institutions committed to antiracism and ending white supremacy like that's at the top of the mind the national conversation right now. So it is going to be really difficult for them to do what Jerry. Falwell, junior would like for them to do right now. But Man, you know memories are short. We just talked about this with the in the corona virus segment that you know when I was growing up black athletes were wary of going to University of Texas, in Texas am and you know they've got all those same. You know confederate monuments and cultures that are not necessarily conducive to welcoming black athletes but somehow administrations change. Memories, get shorter. You know you know maybe we'll get more used to the idea of seeing liberty on TV, playing football. You know that other schools legitimize them by playing them. They play Virginia Tech that play Auburn schools like that, and so people will get used to it and. Say Fifteen, twenty years from now that they're not in like the sun belt there's something like that and or you know a low level conference USA program maybe that they're competing at a really high level on because I know all of these things change like so many of the schools that you know the The idea of SEC is one of the nation's most powerful is the nation's most powerful conference would seem not implausible to me in nineteen ninety-two but I'm like who the hell would black athlete wants to spend time at Tuscaloosa or Oxford. Mississippi are all these other places that seem inhospitable, the black athletes and it all change. So anything is possible but it's going to require Jerry Falwell to either make a one eighty or for him to not be there, and that another generation athlete Sorta come up and just get used to the idea that liberty is is is athletic program that is open to them. It's a great story. And we'll obviously linked to it on our show page. Everybody can read it yet. Thanks for pimping it out. Man Appreciate for me on. Good to join you guys this morning. Now. It is time for after ball and you know one thing that came to mind for me jaw during that segment and when reading your story was remember the scene in Hoop Dreams. So documentary about the two Great High School Basketball Players in Chicago William. Gates and Arthur J. and Arthur ends up having to go to college and Goes Junior College, and this is this is from memory but I'm like ninety nine point nine percent straight goes to the school and there's a place that's called like basketball house or athletes house or something, and it's like all of the black people. Go to this school. I don't know if it's literally true, but it's like essentially true that they all live together and this one place and it's called mineral area. Junior College. Oh that he went to and Missouri, and so you know just an the way the your story kind of lays bare a lot of what's under underneath college words that scene for me when I watched this is like a teenager really kind of exposed to me and a slightly different way how colleges in College Athletics Exploits, black athletes that. If you're. A Guy Like Arthur AG, you go to this school. It's like a black basketball player and you're one of the only black people that goes to the school and all of the other black people you know because they are in the basketball team to right and the name Mineral Area Junior College also stuck with me or is it again? It's an Missouri mineral. Area. College is a Public Community College in Park Hills Missouri Oh. Man You went to it, and then he went to Jonesboro after that, he went to Arkansas State Arkham, exactly Stephan. What is your mineral area? We had an excellent conversation on the show last week about cracking the name of the new NHL team in Seattle I know Joel was fired up about cracking but I have more thoughts, slates, Dakota podcast The New York Times code switch on NPR they all have done pieces about the emergence of Karen to. Describe White Women screaming about having to wear a mask and starbucks are calling the cops on the Black Guy. Shopping birding or biking or walking the Times piece though by Henry Goldblatt quotes linguist saying that one reason Karen appears to be sticking is the way that it sounds. It has a voiceless close of the harsh K. that emerges with a puff of air from the back of your mouth like you're spitting out the word. So it fits Charon. That got me thinking about the crack in the place of K and cracking is mitigated a little by the are that follows you don't get the same aspiration, the same boom crack in Karen but it's still a hard sound and there's the second K and crack in which helps salvage some of the lost closeness. In this case, the case don't convey disgust liking Karen, but toughness, which might explain why the teams marketing campaign is all about the crack in rising ominously from the murky depths to. All that crosses its path. You can't spell crack in without Karen. Thanks to Ben Zimmer for the Phony Nemec lesson slate associated or maximum meanwhile slapped me about one of losing candidates. SOCK is which I had endorsed as my topic. You can't spell hockey without soccer is and an age seth noted that the defending USA ultimate frisbee champs is the Seattle sockeye singular who defeated the Chicago Machine in the twenty nineteen finals he wondered whether there might have been trademark issue preventing the use of the name by the NHL team I doubt it but there already was a Seattle Sakai's plural team a fictional professional hockey team in a series of romance novels by A. Washington State woman who writes under the pen name Jamie Davenport She's written fourteen Seattle Sakai's books including crashing the net and body checking the covers. All feature beefy white Dude's fondling a babe shirtlessly toweling off or holding a hockey stick with the space needle rising pre ethically in the background in the Intro to the first book skating on thin ice, which was published in two thousand fourteen Davenport explained that she was crossing all my toes and fingers that Seattle will get a professional hockey team in the near future. So she decided to create that very scenario in my fictional world with the Seattle Sakai's the promo copy lays out the plot of the first book. He trusts his gut she trusts her numbers and neither trusts the other as a billionaires mission to bring hockey to Seattle clashes with his passion for the woman who holds his heart Davenport created a logo for her Sakai's and started selling Sakai's mugs, t shirts and hoodies on her website. She told me over the weekend that she had planned to apply for a trademark for the name, and then in late two, thousand, seventeen, the NHL announced that it was awarding a franchise to Seattle. So she sped up the process Davenport got some coverage then and again in February when crack in leaked as the likely name, she got some hate. Mail on the assumption that she was blocking the use of sock is which she said she wasn't she just wanted to protect her business. She said, she even wrote to the NHL team saying she'd work with them on the name when no one wrote back she figured cracking was the winner Davenport told me she thinks Sakai's was the Better name cracking that seems more Hollywood than truly representative of the Pacific northwest she said, and she correctly noted as we did last week that crack in is going to invite all kinds of rude remarks nicknames but she told me she's actually relieved that Sakai's lost. If the NHL team had gone with sock is all I saw were headaches and expenses for me. Davenport has also written football and baseball romance novels about the Seattle steelheads, lumberjacks and scoop gums that's an a plus name. Schuylkill Chinook word for among other things they'd bigfoot like monster but she said Hockey Romance is the Best Selling Sports Romance and on Sunday she put the finishing touches on book fifteen of her is series. It's called playmaker. It's got a TAT it up bad boy on the cover and the space needle you can pre-order now book sixteen icing is due out in November Davenport and her husband by the way applied for season tickets for the cracking a book is not about Michael Irvin. Playmaker. I don't think he even makes an appearance Oh man. That's unfortunate. that. Is Our show for today our producer is Melissa. Kaplan isn't Pashas and subscribe or just reach out at asleep dot com slash hang up. You can email us at hang up at sleep dot com for Joel Anderson and stepping fats. This I'm Josh Levin Remembers Almost Eighty and thanks for listening.

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NPR News: 08-02-2020 8AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 11 months ago

NPR News: 08-02-2020 8AM ET

"Live from NPR news. Giles. Snyder Congressional Democratic leaders, and White House officials say talks will continue on a pandemic Relief Bill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. And the top Democrat in the Senate Chuck Schumer say they made more progress during Saturday's meeting in peers cloudy or Sella's reports on where things stand after their fifth meeting this week. Speaker Pelosi Minority Leader Schumer said, they're feeling hopeful about a deal but they noted they still have a ways to go. They met with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and White House, Chief of Staff Mark Meadows on Saturday, and they plan to meet again on. Monday she said have held up an agreement, include an extension of now expired federal unemployment benefits in Eviction Moratorium and liability protections for employers during the pandemic California's become the first state in the country to half a million in factions. NPR's Matthew Schwartz reports estates also seeing more daily deaths than ever before two hundred nineteen people lost their lives to the coronavirus in one day California health officials reported Saturday. It's the state's highest daily figures since the pandemic began bringing its total holidays to over ninety two hundred including the state's first loss of a teenager which officials announced this week. With more than five, hundred, thousand total cases of the virus. California is leading the nation edging out Florida which has four hundred and eighty thousand confirmed cases according to data from the Johns Hopkins coronavirus tracker. The US saw one point eight, million new cases in July. The worst month on record. Matthew Schwartz NPR news Washington Hoover sees arising corona virus infections in the Australian state of Victoria. Officials to declare a state of disaster and Rachel Buongiorno reports that officials are now imposing the tightest restrictions date including a nightly curfew and limits on. Exercise in education, the state had largely beat the virus in early. June, recording only a handful on new cases a day. But in early July, the number of community cases soared into the hundreds just weeks after initial restrictions were lifted Victorian, primate Daniel Andrews rights, concerns, not just about the growing number of community transmissions, but also the number of cases, the copy Trist, those mysteries that community transmission is in many respects at biggest challenge and the reason why we night to. Move to a different set of rules. There is currently judicial inquiry into breaches of infection control with the hotel quarantine returns travelers, which is thought to have contributed to the state second wave from NPR news I'm Rachel, Buongiorno in Melbourne raining the coronavirus hotspot of Florida this morning, the I bands of heavy rain of arrived from what is now tropical storm Isa yes. Forecasters expect that store and move north along the state's coast through tonight and then head for the Carolinas tomorrow. This is NPR news. Police in Portland, Oregon declared it unlawful assembly last night authority said protesters outside a police precinct threw bottles at officers. Clashes were the first since the trump administration agreed to reduce the presence of federal law enforcement Minnesota's Matt Don Buzz the first NHL player to kneel during the national anthem. Donda took a knee as to other black players stood with a hand on each of his shoulders Dumbo spoke about racial justice ahead of the oilers, blackhawks game and Edmonton elite restarted its season this weekend. Major League Baseball continues to have a rocky start to the twenty twenty season as teams contend with the threat of Corona virus files of member station W. W. M. in Milwaukee reports. The three game weekend series between the Milwaukee brewers and Saint Louis Cardinals was postponed after one more player and three staff with the cardinals tested positive for the corona virus on Saturday to cardinals. Players had already tested positive on Friday also Saturday Milwaukee Brewers, outfielder, Lorenzo Cain released a statement saying he was opting out of the rest of the season he said. It was the right decision for himself his wife and their three young children. MIAMI, Marlins Second Baseman Easson Diaz also removed himself from the season over the weekend out of health concerns the MARLINS season was put on hold after an outbreak infected more than twenty people affiliated with the team for NPR news I'm emily files in Milwaukee Joyal Snyder. This is NPR news.

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No Suspension For Hill

PTI

21:45 min | 2 years ago

No Suspension For Hill

"Pardon the interrupting but I'm Israel Gutierrez Frank. You think Mike and Tony would notice if we took something from the set as a souvenir. We are about to find out anybody looking at enough. We can sneak away with these. They want a bunch of you and I are like Susan Lucci. We can't win anything. They'll get used to WHO's been Lucci reference frank goal a reference welcome to today's episode tiger is done the dodgers fuming. Jim Harbaugh stands by what he said. We begin today with the N._F._l.. Friday news dump the League is decided not to punish Kansas City chiefs wide wide receiver Terry Kill following investigation into allegations of child abuse in a statement released Friday morning the N._F._l.. Said they quote cannot conclude Mr Hill violated the personal conduct policy accordingly he may attend Kansas City's training camp and participate in all club activities is what do you make of all this well. Here's this is the other side of the problem when the N._F._l.. Steps in situations like this where you can be overly critical if they punish somebody when the legal system deemed deemed hey this wasn't a punishable or we couldn't find it to be a punishable offense. You could easily be as critical if they go the other way and do not punish a guy like tyreek hill because look. I'm GonNa read you a couple of things from the Personal Conduct Causey Policy Prohibited Conduct conduct includes actual or threatened physical violence yet another person the Honda that poses a genuine danger to the safety and wellbeing of another person explained to me N._F._l.. Understand this is about the child abuse situation but if you go back and listen to that audio recording according to him saying you need to be terrified of me to that was the threat. How's that not a threat? I need the N._F._l.. To explain that part to me and I I understand due process and they're basing this all on an audio recording when you think about ray rice and even Kareem Hunt they did have video video of something like that but clearly something happened there with this child and I think you're right in the N._F._L.'s case here. Why can't you suspend him based on making these threats to the mother of the Child? That's the part that doesn't make any sense and it's interesting happens on a Friday and you know that the Kansas City chiefs there for more than happy to welcome hill back because he's a big time player and this is a team that has a chance to go to a super bowl. They want to kind of brush this thing under the rug. It's possible that you could argue that. That wasn't a threat on the other side that maybe a legal team could come back to the N._F._l.. And say hey this guy deserves deserves money back but I'm going to give you another quote that might set some precedent here from Jimmy Smith suspension in two thousand eighteen they said the N._F._l.. Found evidence of threatening and emotionally abusive behaviors by Jimmy towards former girlfriend and that should a pattern of improper conduct look tyreek sale history particularly with this woman and see if we don't see another pattern of improper conduct. This is the danger the N._F._l.. Steps into with these and once again the police investigation. It's not completely done yet so they're. They're exactly where he does get. That's where the criticism can be held off. Hey Hey more information comes out. They might still Ciampi to get suspended for deflating footballs tremendous pitcher. Let's move on to the open championship. Yesterday we focused on an A._T.. And struggling tiger basically saying this is forty three today well done while J._v. homes homes and Shane Lowery share the thirty six lead but a few other names of interests are nearing the top of the leaderboard frank interest you in Jordan speed Dustin Johnson. Maybe a Kepco Yeah. Let me tell you some Jordan speed and especially Brooks kept go. They could make it for pretty interesting weekend. Endurance Endurance Teeth one this thing a couple of years ago twenty fifteen he finished in the top five and he recently he was telling the media research. I think I have things figured out because he dropped to about thirty six thirty eighth in the world so no Tiger Notebook Phil Mickelson first time they both entered entered a major together with it didn't make the cut but we still have some interesting names on the top of the we do and I'm a big Dustin Johnson's Fan. I love to watch him sort of compete in these majors and kept like we get it. He's going to be the guy in these majors. He's almost the current version of tiger where he goes after those majors if he wins wins this when it will be five out of ten but speak to me is ridiculously interesting as well but if you wanna find some interest in the guys at the top J. B. Homes and this yeah. I love this story by the way. Do you realize he played ten years of Varsity. Knowing that means you're allowed to do that third grade imagine imagine knowing in third grade that you're that good at something and imagine being that high schooler who turns and looks at a third grader as teammate and that third grader is better than you to me that makes J._v. homes by itself kind of interesting and <hes> Shane Larry. Here's the one thing to remember about him in two thousand sixteen and a four shot lead going to the final day of the U._S.. Open in your Guy Dustin Johnson caught him so they're still going to be a little bit movement what I'd like to see briquet because he still has some ground to make up here but it's interesting the the big story going into the open was that he hired the caddy that had worked at this course has been a member there for thirty years and it seems to be paying off and what about Tiger Woods now the way that he performed here you look at that masters victory and you even have a greater appreciation that he was able to rise to the occasion there because he clearly doesn't have it physically. He took a month off before the tournament and now he says he wants to take more time doesn't seem like America's necessarily embracing kept gun and his sort of a major collection. Ryan but Jordan spieth was kept good before Kepco and he won a bunch of these and now if he returns to that level I feel like a lot of people be interested in the beginning all right Phillies relievers Hector Nara celebrated the final out with a fist pump and a very audible profanity directed at the dodgers dugout afterwards Los Angeles manager. Dave Roberts called the taunting unacceptable and said Nara should look in his own dugout. It is worth noting that Harris was available because he's appealing to three game suspension for throwing the dodgers. David freeze on Tuesday Tuesday is either the dodgers have a reason to be upset here. I think they really do and if you listen to the narratives quote after the game all right he said it's a great win for my team and I just let my emotion get out okay but you mentioned the three game suspension that he's appealing and why did you get three dead suspension for hitting freeze 'cause he gave up a home run the previous that bet so apparently when nurses emotions get the best of him it takes them to a dark place because if you're going to hit a dude with a pitch when you're angry and you're gonNA turn to the other dugout and yell ah profanity vanity when you're winning for positive things. I don't think that that's the proper released of your emotion and then we've seen this before Fernando Rodney some of the things that he doesn't relievers bring that emotion to the game and the baseball tradition is you don't show up the opponent and you know Clayton Kershaw was at the top of the Dugout Russell. The Martin was at the top of the dugout steps and made emotion like I'll meet you somewhere and maybe we'll have it out. I love what Mac Months Max Muncie of the dodgers said. He said he's on eight saves against us the last two years I guess he finally got excited because he finally got one by the way this year he does does have blown save and a loss against the dodgers. It adds a little so max months. He's a little bit of exaggerating but that's exactly gave up a home last night before getting the file lutely absolutely nailed it. He finally said you know this is what nurses all upset about. He's been terrible against does and now after giving up that home run he finally got this save and there you go but again why that reaction you mind the emotional because that's I think we're here right now in baseball with the bat flip and players showing emotion traditional thing where you don't do it but I think baseball trying appeal to a younger generation I think part of them are like what this isn't the worst thing I don't mind it but if baseball's appealing to a younger generation the younger generation shouldn't want to turn at the other dugout and screaming. Maybe Gimme go back to the bow and Arrow stuff you know give me something. That's entertaining attaining to look at maybe that if it shows that the it's not exactly this is great about baseball when the teams play or the multiple times because you know this stuff eventually it'll linger and then at some point they'll meet up again yeah. I'm not a big fan of profanity so come on now no cursing after after winning thirteen to fifteen including six straight the San Francisco giants like almost the entire National League find themselves in a playoff race madison bumgarner went nine innings last night and has an area of one point five five in his last fight starts problem is bumgarner nearly got traded last month and the giants projected sellers by the trade deadline frank with the giants be mad to still trade mad bump. He's twenty nine years old. He's left handed. He's a horse and right now from my money. He's the best postseason pitcher you can make an argument. That is one of the best post-season pitchers of all time. I know he's going to be a free agent. That's something that concern the giants but last night against the mets in a game that went sixteen innings he pitched nine. He wanted to go out there for the tenth inning is he. This is load management this his in basketball. This is manage taking pictures out always after five innings and using their bullpen. This guy pitched nine innings wanted to go out there for ten and now you're in the race the one thing about baseball with the wildcard everyone is alive for your Marlins so you have thirty two thousand people at the game last night the giving him a standing ovation. You're really GONNA get rid of a guy like that only pitches to but yes. Here's the reason like you. I understand that in baseball these days anybody can win the world series you get into the playoffs. That's what you want to be wins and he went certainly in the San Francisco giants have a history of coming up out of nowhere and winning world series title but given that he is going to be a free agent next year and if they lose for nothing they get some sort of competitive but I would you do that if fan grasp asked by the way hasn't making the playoffs chance at three point three percent okay not a very good chance of doing this. What I say is rather than just lose him for nothing just for some playoff race that you might or might not make give it another ten to twelve days if they continue this hot streak and all of a sudden there at the top apple cart standings cool then you don't train them by July thirty I see if you can get another world series running you but right now I don't see the value and holding onto him when the payoff is a wildcard they're trying to get assets from the Yankees are interested? The twins had a scout at the game last night to watch both Noah syndergaard the metro not going to trade and it was crazy. Do one thing about Madison Bumgarner career eight and three in the playoffs in the world series is four no with an e._R._A.. Of Zero Point two five the guy is as good as it gets when the money's on the line all right Michigan coach coached him harbaugh stood by his comments to the T._k.. podcast that controversy has followed former Ohio state coach Urban Meyer quote everywhere. He's been Meyer of course who went four. No against Harbaugh was suspended three games last season after an investigation determine tournament he mishandled domestic abuse allegations against former assistant coach Zach Smith during Myers six seasons at Florida is he's old school thirty. One of his players were arrested isn't he. Does the comment say more about harbaugh or Meyer. It's a great way. The phrase that question because I I went to Florida should be excited about that but the idea first of all let's talk about the statement right there. Cup follows him everywhere he goes Utah. Bowling Green weren't really much controversy but tim talking about. Turban Myron this history. I says more about harbaugh. He's talking about the past. He's talking about a coach. It is no longer there. He's talking about somebody. There's no longer his competition but yet he still needs to perform in this big ten as the Michigan coach so he can give all the attention to what urban Meyer did previously but urban is not there anymore so Jim Harbaugh has to focus on getting Michigan too big ten title getting them to that playoffs the semi finals because this means nothing in the grand scheme of things him criticizing Urban Meyer when everybody knows what happened to Michigan Michigan coach also said we're about trying to win. Multiple Championships would be nice and also running a first-class program which was another little dig urban Meyer the one thing about Michigan Ohio state that is really the only game that matters to both of those schools. I remember being in Detroit in January that meant you know about ten months away from that game plan. That's what they were talking about. Sports Talk Radio there. That's the game that he hasn't won so while he is being accurate about what he says about urban Meyer controversies followed him. It looks like Sour Grapes because the one game that matters matters. You haven't worn your own four against that much more incentive to come back if Jim Harbaugh still coaching urban Meyer says you know what I'm GonNa come back and Urban Meyer is a Fox analyst and get ready all season long. There's going to be speculation that he's going to end up at U._S._C.. Let's see you know he's going to be out in L._A.. You're going to be hearing a lot of maybe he replaces harbaugh. That could have all right. Let's take a break but coming up. Sean McVeigh Paints a different victory todd girlies health and what's the best way to describe Aaron Boone Tirade. What's the word is next? How come when I said that you went to Florida all of a sudden you got quiet? I mean I don't WanNa talk context. It's a it's a great basketball school for GEICO presents aches another voicemail from your roommate shepherd's Pie. I in the basement completely flooded anyway. I call for someone to fix it but in the meantime I was thinking we could finally have that indoor pool forty we will always wanted. I got him cool Swan floating things already go and could you pick up some chips on your way home later. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help keep your personal property protected like if you'll roommate isn't the brightest pool float in the flooded basement visit GEICO DOT COM to see how easy it is to switch and save on Renter's insurance to fill in some blinds. Thanks with what's the word. Let's get the first one from the producer over the loudspeaker Aaron Boone Tirade rookie camp was blank. It was costly Yankees manager Aaron Boone first comes out of the dugout to argue balls and strikes. That's an automatic automatic objection but that wasn't the epic rant here which included saying our guys are savages in the box saying you need to basic get up your level but his bill is cap touched the rookie Umpire Brennan Mill Fifth Game Behind the plate one game suspension the look on that empires face. My Word is useful and hear me out on this one okay. Yes I understand. He gave you the look of the old school tirade right listen to what he actually said. He said he was encouraging. He said you're having a bleeping that start to this game. He said I feel bad for you and at the end would he do. He told them tighten it up. I would love for producer of any show that I'm onto. Just come up and say hey you're having a terrible started his game tighten up the user of this show does that to me after every single show you know what happened though Brett Gardner had struck out just before that through a temper Tantrum the very next pitch was called strike borderline in Arab got this using savages I think what are we got next. It's black that Sean mcvay says Todd Gurley is is feeling great. I'M GONNA say that it's P._R.. Because Sean mcvay appearing on the Jimmy Kimmel show is throwing rose petals at the feet of his great running back Todd Gurley who did not participate any offseason workouts with the team is coming back from having that sore knee and let's let's not forget is in the N._F._C. Championship game for Russia's ten yards in the super bowl ten Russia's 35-yards todd Gurley is terrific but you wonder about that knee and where he is right now mentally yeah similar similar vein my words meaningless on this one first of all if it's on Jimmy Kimmel like a lot of times when stories start with he said on Jimmy Kimmel live Lou the little show probably not but I understand that and look it's one of the things that he said that was interesting. He said he is earned the right to be able to have the plan. We had this off season for him and that plan includes not doing a whole heck of a lot losing some weight not being in the in the team workouts if you will. I think that's fine. He's earned it of course because he's got hurt but really not because the great player that he is but I just don't believe there's much to actually get some sort of actual production the last two games concerned though and they weren't honest then so why would they be honest about them now. What are we going next slot? Don's put down a Carlos. Davila was blank. Oh boy in advance of the a big one tonight L._A.. Galaxy L. A._F._C. E._S._p._N.'s Hercules Gomez sat down with Zlatan Ibrahimovic and asked him who is the best player M._l._s.. Let's take a listen you talk about lifting the level and getting players like yourself and you said right now. You're the best player in major league soccer. There's another player in Los Angeles Carlos Villa in this moment nineteen goals twelve assists and his team is leading major league soccer. Do you still consider yourself to best player major league soccer for because the visiting in his praying. How old is the cars rose twenty twenty-nine says Melissa and using his private <hes> when I was in Europe Big Difference Oh boy I'm going to say that that is brutal honesty? Here's the thing about slotoff what he was in Europe and he was in his primary was playing for teams like Barcelona Manchester United Inter Milan. I get it. It's better than those leagues. It's still a goodly. You didn't have to throw shade on everybody your opponent the Lee come on. I'll throw a little bit of data sounds. I'd like to words <hes> Frank. Not One word is and I'm going to borrow term from our buddy Aaron Boone. My were two savage absolutely was not because it was necessarily true right. 'cause you're talking about a guy who's eight years difference and he's not asking who was the better player overall. He's asking right now I get that but he took out every other member of the M._l._S. to. He's not taking out valley's taken out everybody else and say you guys aren't good enough for me to compete at my highest level by the way that robberies called L. Traffic. Whoever came up with that Bravo to you okay? What are we got last? One Lorenzo canes catch was blank all right here is Lorenzo Cain last night against the Arizona diamondbacks catches the ball steals a home run from Eduardo Escobar. I'm going to say it's routine. Why is it routine first of all look look at these play this play that he makes it's brilliant? There's the pool over there to the right by the way is he. He's done this before he he steals home runs all the time including on opening day. He's got a handful more just from this year. You mentioned the opening day one being the earliest one of those this but my word for this trade markle why because if you look at all five of those catchers or the ones from this year the all pretty much look the same he's like drifting to his left the last second gets it right over the wall and the thing that's shocking about Lorenzo Cain not that he is thirty years old but that is partially shocking that he at thirty years old and doing this has not one glove before how that possible he needs to get one. This year doesn't have big daddy. Kane is a big time outfit. You guys steal home runs like that kind of reminiscent a little bit of back back in the day Ken Griffey Junior Torii Hunter but the fact that he's five times last year and like we said on opening day he did it as well all right that's it. Let's take one last break but still to come should James Harden stick with his commitment to U._S._A.. Basketball this summer breath and you might be surprised at who Charles Barkley says the best player he ever played against. I know he's not going to say Joel embiid. Did you play but he always criticized toward Joylin. It's the Friday addition of happy time happy thirty first birthday Trent Williams Washington's seven-time pro bowl left tackle skip minicamp in June because he was reportedly upset with teams medical staff over the timing of diagnosis for growth on his head Williams had the growth surgically removed over the winter. There's no guarantee that Williams will report when camp opens next week you know who has a vested interest in the left tackle showing up work rookie quarterback greenhouse or how about the whole team when you put the medical staff on blast and question. I think that's perfectly fair. They obviously all have invested interest in their own health. Right Haskins needs a left tackle and not so happy anniversary to to Umpires in this Mexican league game around This Day last year. The home freight on inexplicably quickly called the ball on a pitch about swung on and the call was inexplicably confirmed by the first base umpire. What is the Spanish word for cheaters anyway? The story does have a happy ending. Both phones were suspended for the rest of the season and my Spanish so bad I can't I answer that question for you. To what do you think Aaron Boone affected this on fire savage happy trails to to cardinals look at what the Reds Yoshio Que- does does with El Mundo Associates bloop single we can his cannon up an armed fires a strike to third base for one out and then Sosa trying to reach second slides past the bag and it's called out you see what you get for trying to hustle you. See what you get for trying to test weeks arm by the way if you're scoring at home that your classic nine five six Double Plumber Robertson Cano Oh say see. That's why you don't hustle alright no errors today. We're running out of time. Let's go to the big finish James Harden with group in the World Cup team this summer to focus on the rockets. Is that all right bye. It's not only okay by me. That's six weeks of time. You have to commit to that and certain guys like Anthony Davis and James Harden. They have something to play for this year. This is their big year. They can't just six and you know if you like you said if you commit to the national team by the time the World Cup finishes you have about a week before training any camps. It didn't take this a lot of choice by joe. Girardi told ninety five point seven the game in San Francisco that he wants to manage think it'll happen. I think it will happen. I think it should happen and I know a team in New York not name the Yankees that should seriously considered hiring Joe Girardi. He knows the market. I think you'd be terrific on the mets. Watch for JOE GIRARDI NAME TO BE LINKED FOR THE NEW YORK. Matter all right NYC is counter-suing Leonard over the claw logo. What's Your Legal Ura? Expert legal announce got an houses it's Nike and if you've never heard Nike the big company that's pretty popular. <hes> no I just WanNa see the drawings show me the drawings and also you can tell me who did what I one time for a while loses this year not baseball hall of fame inductions this weekend who you looking forward to break both Mariano Rivera number one the first unanimous selection into the hall of fame also Edgar Martinez a great designated hitter all right one last one Charles Barkley says the best player ever faced with Kevin McHale do honestly believe I believe he was the most difficult.

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 819  2020 Buyback Players

FanGraphs Fantasy Baseball

55:49 min | 1 year ago

The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 819 2020 Buyback Players

"Oh Eight nineteen of the sleeper and the bus. It's Thursday June eighteenth I'm your host Paul. Four and I've joined this morning by Justin. Mason Justin Good Morning. Good Morning I feel like we're GONNA have baseball. You know I keep going back and forth on this. This is the most abusive relationship I've ever been in and that saying anything. You've ever followed my wife on twitter. But like for real the back and forth of it. Is is is pretty crazy and and you know. I've said it. We've said a million times. We talked about this. Every episode united, but on the negative side. I think with good reason, even now even after yesterday's stuck, not tricking me into coming all the way over there were news I can't deny what's in front of us. Let's talk a little bit about some of the stuff. That's come through here and you. Let me know what you think about this so. The terms for sixty game season with the rated pay that the players are looking for. That also includes expanded postseason friendly the next two years. NFL, D. H. also for the next two years and an interesting thing, because the owners are so greedy and so worried that they're not gonNA. Make money that they want to sell ads on the uniform for I hadn't seen that. Yet so they've got. They've got this thing and I am framing like that I will say at the same time. I don't care I'm not somebody who is GONNA. Lose their mind at the sanctity of the uniform It doesn't really bother me. We see so many other leagues and we've Seen Basketball. Really get into it, but foreign. Foreign to us? leagues have done it forever. I mean the English premier league is run off of it We've seen IT IN NASCAR baseball leagues. Obviously that was I. mean that's that's one of the things that are known for. If you don't know anything about NASCAR, tell somebody like you know who drives the Viagra car. They go fast and all and there are covered in ads like that's. You know and and so it's not something that it is GonNa inherently unsuccessful I know the baseball purists will cry. And like I said I took that jab at the owners, which I stand by, but I will say the same time this. That doesn't really bother me if they WANNA put an ad or to even on the beloved Yankees uniform. Don't WanNA. Hear people crying about it. So what do we think about all this? Is this the one to get it done justin? Yeah, I think this is the for some version of the framework Yay is is going to get done. I mean we we. There were original reports yesterday that like it was done. The Players Union. It was all like yeah. No, it's not done there like psych relax. Yeah, so I do think this is what gets done. I think that the fact the owners have come down and and and agreed to play. You know the pro rated. You know salaries. You know per gate on a per game basis And that the the players are giving concessions, is well I think this will get figured out. But I'm also like I'm ready to be hurt again to see live from the office, so no I I I can't even get. I can't even get you know that super excited yet. Until it's stamped. And they say we're starting on this day. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA keep. You know keep it at arm's length, but I am encouraged by this. There is some there is some movement here. That looks strong. any of these terms that I outlined. Bother you how you feel about the jerseys, the uniform advertisements I mean I. Like I don't care really seen the NBA's. No A guy. I don't why this the NBA enough to to notice that kind of thing I remember like it can't be more than two years. They got a little one on like A. if you're looking at the Jersey you, the players standing in front in the upper right so on their uproar left, and a lot of teams have in fact, maybe every team and it's like. Who Cares you know The Lakers have wish that that wish, dot. COM, and I get it just doesn't bother me and I think baseball would have something. Similar words starts pretty small I don't you know I wanted to say? Oh, they're going to turn into NASCAR I it and you think it'll be like one of the big C on the cubs hat that, but in like little lettering next what it says Alice. Yes, yes, yes, you put the I. A L I s in the in the see there, so it just kind of blends in perfectly now it'd be great. It'll be great i. want everyone off. Again like I think it'll be pretty unobtrusive. I'm not too worried about it. If that's the biggest thing you're worrying about, and I haven't seen people like that, so I'm not I'm not trying to create. More upset about the D. H. being done. That's hitching. pitchers hitting being done because it's I this this will completely end pitchers hitting. For the rest of time. I'd rather hear them cry on. Ads Damn Yeah that that's like people are really pissed about the expand playoffs. They feel like too. Many teams are going to be in. You know in the playoffs. It dilutes the purpose of a long season. not so much for for this year, but for nationally. But only one of the season's would have that so. I mean people are ride that this is an illegitimate season, because it's not enough games and sure elegant. We had this discussion in my. Staff chat over friends. Fancy benefits like. Do you even remember who won the world series in? What is it nineteen, seventy four, whatever it was that the the the strike shortened season of that didn't have the world series canceled like it did in ninety four and like people were like. Eighty one to yeah, I mean it just. Was the dodgers and I've never heard it shaded Yeah, never heard it said that because she gets that kind of thing. Yeah, the I don't feel like you know some basketball. nerds go at the Spurs for their for. There's when they're when they're counting their things, but I don't really hear it that often they just say. The Spurs have titles. They don't say x minus one titles with the one astor press and I don't know how many they have like four or five. The. Heat won a championship in a shortened season. No, but people don't remember that like it's and like that was recent. That was like you know two thousand and two or something like that. There's an eleven lockout I think. Maybe was two thousand eleven. Yeah, like I. Don't even remember what year it is and I'm talking about it. Yeah, so like who cares as far as that goes I WANNA. Get Baseball going I'm not worried about asterisk risking the the title for whoever wins it. That is interesting that that the following year would have the expanded playoffs because and there could be some inertia. There were just sticks and I guess that's what people are worried about. Bullets. At least see what it's like I liked the playoffs as is. But. I'm not. GonNa lose my mind at. At the. Playoffs changing if that's something that can get us down the path of obviously getting twenty twenty baseball, but also maybe. Laying down some some groundwork for peace. In twenty one as they're going to have to bargain the whole CBA, out. Okay, let's go because I don't want this. I don't want this bullshit again after twenty one because it's a full-scale CBA, Redo I'm totally down for expanded playoffs. Sixteen is the way to go long term, but the more teams that are in the playoff race means less teams that are going to sell the entire farm, not as much. haves and have-nots. In recent years, and the second wildcard was supposed to do that and I think it's effectively done that I will say i. think that there are teams you know. Look at your giants now you could say that's a negative. Aspect of it because they didn't sell when they probably should have, but but they really Kinda owed it to those guys who had had that that big. What was it thirty and? Thirty one and nineteen run over a fifty game span there right around the deadline. They owed it to them to kind of running out. They sold a few bullpen pieces and it didn't end up working. But there are a lot. We see a lot. That teams are much more in it. And we have seen a big house. Have Not I. Don't think that this is the new baseball though I think we're just in an area where a lot of teams are rebuilding, it makes sense for them to bottom out. We'll get to another period where it's not as much have have nots whether it wears more congealed toward the middle I, mean you look at? At some of these rebuilds they're really starting to take shape and be good and I don't think the teams at the top are necessarily coming down. So that's going to bring everyone more toward the middle, so I'm not so worried about that. and I'm going to see how an expanded playoff plays out, but again I can I can buckle there and say. I'll I'll push on that and let expanded playoffs. Come to as long as we can get some some labor rest here as we move forward, so that's what I'm hoping for, so let's put a percentage on. What do you think the chances are that? We have something locked in loaded. As far as day in the neck by by the time we talk on Tuesday. Eighty percent. Oh Wow, super, super, super, eager man! You don't learn I really don't know. I'll say I'll say. Sixty nine. I was going to say that, but I'm not quite. That high I'll say fifty three percent I'm over the halfway mark. I feel feel better. I'm coming from the teens and single digits, though to keep that in mind, that fifty three is a big jump, and it's also an arbitrary number that makes no sense. It doesn't matter at all, so we're we anything else on on labor before we talk about some players know. All right. Get the job done, guys. Let's some baseball going now. Talking about some twenty twenty buybacks here. And I been looking at ADP. You know we've been trying to talk about players in different ways and a lot of it is you know you're GonNa? Buy this rising star and this guy coming up this season. We've probably done some integration of this in the off season. But I went and looked at at a group of guys. that. Are being drafted pretty low based on their nineteen, but had a strong eighteen. That if they came back to A. Much higher than ADP in twenty twenty, no one would necessarily be surprised and yet I understand why. Their draft stock is low, so they're reasonable bargains for. For for good purpose. I wonder if you're going to buy back backing on some of these guys. Let's start with Lorenzo Cain and this is sense This is the online championships since April first. That's been kind of our default lately, and that encompasses how many drafts here it's loading. That encompasses nine hundred seventy or draft as a lot. I didn't realize they had that many. That can't be right, can it? I mean there is a four no sixty one OC sorry I had it on all. That was all dressed, okay, sixty one these since then that was on all drafts but sixty one drafts is a good sample here. Let's talk about Lorenzo Cain. Because he runs. He was still able to put up some reasonable numbers like you know. It wasn't a complete zero. Last year he had eighteen steals but back in eighteen he went ten thirty with ninety runs and a three hundred average, so kane I know he was kind laboring through some through some stuff last year I, believe we've even miss some time, but he was definitely planning through some stuff. Only when? In eighteen the to sixty so. That's not so bad, but when he's not stealing twenty five, plus it really does undercut his potential fantasy value and scored seventy five runs, and this was all while playing virtually the same amount of time six twenty plate appearances eighteen, six twenty three last year. Learn is going to be thirty four. He's a little bit young on the baseball landscape because he started later, but he's also dealt with injuries throughout his career, because plays brilliant defense, which means it's kind of all out. Out there the highest he's got as far as projection is nineteen stolen bases. Are you buying a Lorenzo? Cain at one seventy, four with an expectation that he can drastically beat this eighty p. I. Don't know if he's going to drastically beat the ADP from stolen bases perspective. for me. I'm less concerned. If, he gets back to twenty five to thirty stolen bases. Though obviously I would love him to get back to that kind of rate to me. It's more of a matter of Willie average bounced back. Yeah because it was down from three hundred eight to sixty and I think. You can throw away a few stolen bases if he's still hitting to ninety plus. You know you slap a to eighty-five average. Even on last season does a world of of good to saving Lorenzo Cain value, so you think that that's where he's GonNa. Go is the average rebound, but still be kind of a light double double twelve homers pace of course. We're talking. Full season pays it down to sixty games, but like twelve homers. Seventeen to nineteen stolen bases. That's what you're thing, but and more scored I. Mean I I think he's probably to eighty to eighty five and I think. you know he'll? He'll score a lot of runs on top of that that brewers lineup I. You would pay one seventy four. Yeah, I just think that that is. A really nice discount for a guy who had been kind of a top one hundred a draft. Pick I mean obviously there are guys going in his area. I was just about to say you're never getting him. Though 'cause I'm looking here Malik Smith your favorite player ever Jaydee. Davis Willie. Calhoun and Brian Reynolds are all squinched around. Cain you're never touched him, but you would. If, those guys weren't available. You're saying. Especially, if I needed stolen bases or and batting average because I mean you can, you can take Malik Smith and he's going to get a ton of Solan basis, but like he's he could hurt your average, the thumbprint for average and stolen bases. I think Cain is one of those guys that I'll definitely target I. Mean a pick of two Oh four means that you know. He has dropped even more in in. You know some drafts. I think he's just the kind of old unsexy guy that people kind of ignore and it's. Like the guy to. I mean he is kind of you. Know in some ways, the best of both worlds in you know when you're talking about a guy like Malik Smith or guy like Brian Reynolds like he can deliver the Brian Reynolds batting average, but the Malik Smith speed. You're right. He kind of does puck for from from both camps there and put it together. Lorenzo Cain does and at the top of a strong lineups and those runs could. Still giving double digit home runs like he's not as zero, not an empty power, either so we could definitely by him I share an affinity for several of those guys that I named except Alex Smith because he's the worst. I'm with you that necessarily drafting Kane but it's more be because of guys that are available, but I definitely have him on the list there and say Oh, well, you know. I got Calhoun here and then the next round later. Cain was still available so I came back and got him as well so we like. Lorenzo Cain at one seventy four, because you can also often get him cheaper. That's a good point about where his Max. Pick is that I will say in the last. Oh, see I did. He was available when I picked it one sixty and one sixty nine at the turn, and I did not take him. Would you take I? Took Chris Davis and Ryan McMahon? The those that's Kris. K. Right I I was on here, but we just talked about him to episodes ago. And we highlighted how injury is clear injury when his plane in Pittsburgh in the field for Christmas, it sunk the rest of the season, and if you believe that he can stay healthy, but the sixty game run, then you should be liking him frankly loving him at his price because he's come down so much so I. I like that Chris Davis and meant Reineck Man I bought in our last year. I'll probably by an on again this year, but let's talk about that's a good segue inadvertently there or maybe on purpose I. Don't want to say that he didn't do it. On purpose bliss talking about Daniel Murphy. Who has over there fighting McMahon at both of those positions that he plays first second. And Murphy Golden Colorado one of the best. Pure hitters that that we've had over the last several years now upwards of a decade of of performance, actually not quite. From about eleven to eighteen, just batting average is one thing that you know you're going to get. He'll add power usually solid runs or ribs, or both in a few years, just a lot of good coming out Daniel Murphy, so he didn't go to Colorado, this is going to be even better dudes going to hit three forty again the way he did back in twenty sixteen or is GonNa hit two seventy nine and being the most bland player, there was thirteen homers seventy eight ribs, fifty six runs to seventy nine average, as I mentioned down from two ninety nine the year before with twelve homers in ninety one games, so he played. He played forty more games and only got one extra homer so that that was again playing in Colorado. We know it's health, right? That's the that's the thing that you have to worry about a thirty five year old Daniel Murphy, but is a to sixty four. ADP enough for you to say you know what. I'll see what I could get because if I can get. Fifty of the sixty games played out of Murphy. Half of which are in Colorado I'll take that. Where do you stand on that? With regards to Daniel Murphy bouncing back from a from one thousand nine hundred mediocre year. I mean. Outside of the fact that you mentioned you know, he's injury history and the fact that he's thirty five like the people going around him or just problematic for me like it's just like okay. You need the batting average because that's the one thing. Daniel Murphy is GonNa. Give you Luiz arises right there and he's multi-positional eligible. Eligible at second base and the Outfield Obsessed with him now I. Mean I don't like him that much in like I'm like. Yeah, I much rather. I, have you know drafted? Rise a few times so? Say another guy that I love. That's right by two. I Bet I mean I'm assuming show Yama or Ian. HAP- like two guys all or like. If you look a little bit earlier like on much, rather have John. Birdie lay because he can be transcended speed possibly, yeah. It just don't get me wrong batting at like. If you're really hurting batting average, maybe it's like one of those things where you double tap on Murphy and arise or or Murphy in Akiyama You know, but even you start going lear and he goes well. He is is Murphy. That much better than like a says Hernandez. Yeah. I don't think he is and I. Hear you especially in a season that short. These guys who deal with these constant or nagging injuries like if he if for some reason like like you put them in your lineup, and then all of a sudden you know an injury POPs up on Tuesday like that week is huge when we're talking about like ten week sees it exactly that that's the thing to and one thing. That I've a little bit concerned about with regard to analyzing for these for the short season. Is this weird notion that the injury risk? Guys don't have any risk. It I don't understand that they still carry risk just because the seasons shorten, guys don't always get hurt in July. Like four months into a season like. It's the same zilly rationale of the whole well. I'm GonNa take the streaky guys because if they get on it with league. What if they to complete up? Yeah, YOU'RE GONNA. Take a zero in your lineup because Joey Gallo. Decides that. The short season he wants to ten. Yeah, it one eleven the first three weeks like it works both ways and. I've heard it so much pushed about like. Take all these volatile guys. Take these injury risk guys. As if they can't get hurt or is if the volatility can't get them, yes. The the streaky guys could pop you know one hundred average for the first fifteen games of the season. Really key pad their stats. It can go the other way, too though and I agree with you on somebody like Murphy. Seems to be dealing with something that could just be a hassle that you don't want to deal with and arises a great one dimension. Say there. This wasn't even one employs Murphy's only first base eligible really putting them at corner or util corners kind of deep because of third basis depth so in the end even more so than Cain I think the players around number making me. And I'm not even that interested in him. The way I would in Cain if those guys go, I can find enough guys that I just I. Like taking Colorado Guys I was in on Murphy quite a bit last year, but I think I'm kind of backing off this year and I'm I'm going to end up taking others, and if it pops then I'll say hey I see how that could have happened. That doesn't surprise me but I couldn't I couldn't get in. That's why I'm not really getting into Murphy learn from my mistake last year in the in the main event, which was it wasn't the fact that I drafted. Injured guys drafted too many. If you WANNA take a shot on Daniel Murphy Great, but that means you can't take a shot on Giancarlo Stanton. Like that means, you can't tell a shot on you. Some of these other bounce back. Guys. You know you WANNA draft. Joey, Gallo you WANNA drive. You know some of these guys that have these you know real. You know chances to pop or just be deflated balloon great, but you can only take one like you can't take Joey Gallo and then go take Byron Buxton and then go take you know Miguel Sonos a really bad example right now, but you know Miguel Center player and go okay, if all three of these guys hit, I'm winning my league yet. The chances of that happen happening is like an zero. Exactly. And just some weird dreaming right now, with people on these On these volatile players they they stack a bunch. They're gonNA hit four hundred for five weeks, but A it can go either way, and I didn't bring up the Miguel. Thing with regards to the accusations of kidnapping because it's still very much pending. You know he's claiming he's black. He's being blackmailed so I kinda wanted to let that one play out. That's why I didn't bring it up. I'm not I'm not ignoring it for any reason other than there's not enough detail for us to make any actual statements on it, just for those who've. Agreed I will say even though we're not making any comments. I'M GONNA. Make a comment like I like I hope this is untrue obviously and snows a player I really really liked from a player perspective, but like this is the third like real, crazy and man thing. Yeah thing and at some point do we start going? Okay, maybe you know. Maybe this one isn't true, but like this is now a pattern so. How how you constantly getting caught up in things like this? With you know sexual assault allegations running over. Running somebody over like. I agree with you. There's definitely at at the whole like okay. You Know Melinda play out I'm not. Throwing them throwing the book at him right now but I want. I want to see what's up here because it is becoming a bit a bit of an issue with Burleson Osa, so we'll. We'll obviously covered that once. There's full details there, but we kind of covered the story on Murphy. Let's talk about our fanfare. Our Boy Matt Carpenter. The disastrous eighteen when when we told everyone sell on him, his back was bulky. You don't WanNa be in on that. And he went off and put up like an MVP caliber four-month Tare to wind up with thirty six homers, eighty-one ribs, one of and runs to fifty seven average average has never really been his main thing. But there was so much goodness elsewhere that the batting average didn't even care about, but then we were looks like we were a year early because he labored through an injury riddled season last year, playing one hundred twenty nine games, carpenter hit fifteen homers forty-six rabies ninety. Excuse me fifty nine runs in a two twenty six average. Well now he's down here. At a three fifty two OBI OBI at three fifty to eighty p. people say you know what? Sport and Mason will write. It only took a year we don't want. I'm not sure that's what they were saying. Yeah, that's the first thing that they were safely. Those guys are right. We're GONNA. Follow up with them and tell them. Hey, he has a right and you're also. We're so wrong Larry's but he was so bad last year and he's all. He's dealt with injuries quite a bit as well actually very similar to Murphy in terms of that profile. Is Carpenter someone you could buy back in on. He's GonNa be thirty three eight. It's actually a couple years younger than than Murphy, but he has kind of that old player body already. What do you think about carp at a at a three fifty one eighty P we can get into who's around in a moment. But what do you think about him? Being that late is on a lottery ticket that you're willing to go on for carpenter. I mean it's the prices so cheap. I want to say yes at the same time like, isn't he? Like Daniel Murphy without the without the average. Like A. We don't think he's GonNa. Bounce back to his to you know seventy batting averages good. Yeah, and like we're talking about a guy that all the projection systems have him it like twenty twenty one home runs. In that's like pretty much. Daniel Murphy was, but they all have him at like two thirty, five, two to forty batting average, and like I, don't want that on my team like if I'm going to take with a thirty batting average, he better be hit. Meet thirty plus home runs. or or being a double double Kinda Guy. Yeah you're buying the kind categories of the power and speed. Like it's hard because like the DA. Coming to the National League really helps him out. You know hopefully can help them stay healthy. And keep him in the lineup every day at the same time like I, just don't I just don't believe that like the Stackhouse? Numbers are not. Pretty and I just don't believe it so it just I'm staying away. Yeah I just I on its face I'm I'm just not that interested in mad carpenter, and despite like you said that the age is the one thing that really stands out like Oh. Okay and get off and get off the field. opened up a spot for somebody else bring Edmund back onto the field and then put tyrone neil out there for people who like Tyrod Neil. A lot of different things that they can do. If there's a D. H. there. I think your point about the batting average though it's like one. We really buying that. you know a handful of homers and some decent runs because it'll be in the top third of the order. Okay I mean these cheap enough that if you like carpenter, Co for it, but. I'm not I'm just not that interested so I I feel you on that, and then getting into the folks that are going around him. Would you rather have carpenter how Kendrick? Kendrick. For what about versus? Hey, you're aguilar. Mike Talk. Men Talk Men for sure. What about Hunter Alberto? After batting average last year. Probably I'll. Burto just because I can just kinda stream out against lefties. Yes, that's true. That's true and there's Let me see here there are. There are. Eleven lefty starters in the elise. John Means is on his team, so on doesn't count. I think Wade Leblanc is too right. Okay, so to so two of them don't count there, but still nine nine starters who are lefties in the in the Al East but like Robinson Cano. Like give me Robinson Cano. Every day is going to be hitting fourth in in that mets line up. You know hit every day. They have the two now, so you can get days off, but still hit. You, know Cedric Molins has got upside going. You Know Justin smoak. You know. Names Yeah Yeah. There's too many guys. Fame's could be. That guy who is batting. Average isn't great, but is crushing on a thirty five homer pace Franci. Cordero's down their victory victories down there. I mean just horry. Just I mean it's more of a lottery ticket area I don't know. You know comparing it to like scratch off lottery tickets. Carpenter feels like that that one dollar one where you're really only thinking that you could get like five dollars. If you went on it as opposed to those giant scratchers that are like twenty five dollars, but but when you hit your hitting you hitting big, so I don't know I'm with pretty tepid on Matt Carpenter it doesn't relate to. Two Thousand Eighteen I. Don't care you know that we were spectacularly wrong on him there, but this. This is why we were off of him at that point because of the health and we saw what what can happen. It didn't happen until nineteen, but there. It is that that was our issue with Matt Carpenter and I'm just not really trying to buy back in this year. And I could see him actually being on the waiver wire and and some ten and twelve team leagues. And then I'll keep an eye on them in that case, but I'm not drafting him. This guy isn't even being drafted. He's a little bit similar. This actually fits what I was saying or what you bringing up about how you GonNa buy a poor batting average unless there's power speed counting categories. That's Brian Dosier. Not overwhelming speed especially last year, but go back to eighteen. He went twenty one in twelve. To fifteen average, it was really tough. Hit Twenty homers last year, but only three stolen bases two thirty eight hours the only reason I put him on here's 'cause. He's being drafted in teamers and he's that kind of veteran guy. WHO IS GOING TO BE THIRTY? Three doesn't have a guaranteed role in in San Diego, but so far was terrible or got hurt. Dosier went off. Would you really be that surprised? I I wouldn't be surprised Years that you can't draft him like no no and I'm GONNA. Tell say he's not being. This or about what you think of him as you know a top waiver watchlist sort of guide, yeah, I think he's definitely I I'm not watching him as much as I'm watching so far because you know, they're obviously gonNA give. They traded for pro far. They're gonNA. Give him the for shot. But if he's stinks in early on and I mean we've talked a lot about how. Fantasy owners we're going to have to have. A quick trigger fingers of God yes. you know in case you know a guy. You know that you know isn't like a I. You know five or you know ten round pick I is struggling out of the gate. Like you're going to have to be able to. Just you know. Move on in a you know a week or two and they'll be. Teams are going to do the same thing like. Is You. Know struggling out of the gate like he's just knock in play. and. You know and so like if profile is struggling, even if if dosier hasn't really gotten a ton of games like I'm GonNa go inches. Maybe grab him just on. You know the chance that he could. I'll turn to them, yeah. He's a veteran presence. You know how much MLB teams love. The veteran presence kinser get some playing time last year, yeah! Well I mean he started the year two I. You know because they didn't want to bring up In start has caused so I mean on the flipside. Like the stack cast numbers are not good for him. It was it was a dreadful season like I, said He. He's definitely a cut below the other guys because he wasn't even that good. In eighteen I mean he's thirty six percentile velocity, thirty percentile and hard hit percentage thirty seven percent in barrel percentage seventeen percent dial in X. batting average like it's. It's an a ugly stack profile I. Mean Honestly I'm probably not going. Even worry about Brian Dosier for the most part unless he does. Get playing time and starts hitting. but You know 'cause they're just guys that are going late that I feel have just tremendous upside, but dosier is one of those guys. That would it surprise me if he bounces back especially with his plate discipline, I mean this is a guy who still walks in a double digit rate I mean had a career high twenty or twelve point, seven percent, walk rate last year, and his twenty, one or twenty two percent strikeout rate. is of his career. That's that's nothing in this day and age so exactly and you're getting at why even? Deigned to bring them up here was because. There is still some upside. I know we we. We equate upside with Youth, but sometimes veteran does. Just. Don't Free Deeper League folks that the this one's free. Because you know if you are a fifteen, plus that's when he starts to get back on the draft rate are ten and twelve. Don't even bother Trafton Dosier, but I think at least consider him as somebody to put on the top of your watchlist there. That's all I'm getting at with the dosier thing I think because I'm I've been burned enough by far that I'm that I'm tapping the brakes a little bit. Because I've been on the profile train more or less from day. One so I'm very accustomed to how whoa let's not going with him. So all right, let's move over to some pitchers and let's start with put first year. Oh Craig. Kimbrel! Did. You hear I don't know if you know these numbers. Do you know what Craig Campbell date in two thousand eighteen. Eighteen. Yeah mean! He was one of the best closers in baseball. I for some reason his, he was so bad last year, and of course, the only twenty two thirds coming off the the contract negotiation that that didn't get done before the season, so you just hung out there and only pitched a little bit for the cubs I forgot that he was, he was pretty great. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, four point ninety nine with the walk rate, had popped up to thirteen percent from sticks percent the year before. The strikeout rate dropped from fifty to thirty nine. And the home run rate had been a career high at one point zero he'd never been. Higher than point nine and most the time was was a good home runs suppressor, so there was some writing on the wall for Kimbro. Nobody could have seen him. Being this bad short sample volatility paired with poor pitching left him just a dreadful six fifty three area one sixty. Thirty one percent strikeout twelve percent walk. Three point nine per night. It was a nightmare twenty two thirds thirty two year old, Craig Kimbrel still going at one thirty five saves you know and and track record or getting them there, but that's the cheapest. He's Ever Ben. Do you have any plans to buy back on Craig Kimbrel in twenty, twenty I really hope not I mean I. Want to do it I. Don't want to do it, but I have done it so I do have him on a number of teams that have already drafted in large part because I missed out on the closers I really like in in certain draft, and then I go okay well, he's going. Be My number, two guy I guess and just open pray for the best and the reason I even willing take that. That shot. is largely because that the rest of that bullpen is atrocious. It is just so bad that while he is bad like who's going to take that job from him. Yes, I just don't know that there is anybody on this roster that they wanna turn the ninth inning over to and so I yeah, I mean I do have him on a number of teams already, but you now that we're talking about. you know a shortened season? Where like? A few bad outings from a pitcher whether it be a reliever starter. Can Sync Queue Oh God yes, and I mean we're you know shortened season right there. You know typically pitches. About sixty innings last year he pitched twenty and look. Do you want that line on your team? When the rest of your team is also pitching in season six, fifty, three, Yarra like, and is that not good yeah, and a one sixty whip like I don't like you don't want that food. He had nothing last year. It was it was tough to watch. honest like to see him. Have Fallen from his Kimbrel was oh bad I he felt helpless out looked. How was I should say like? It was tough to watch? So yeah I I feel you on that I. Don't want to draft him, but there is. There is a little potential of the hates gone too far type of thing because again. I would not be surprised if he went off now. It hasn't gone to agree GIS average at one thirty five, but his MAX is one seventy. You start getting kimball that late and drafts. He is the lockdown the guaranteed guy at least for the first. I don't know you know depending. How bad was I? Think he would at least get a three or four week. Leash to to have the job there again because there's well so they're gonNA turn to for the cubs, but on a decent team. I can see you already have some shares I think I might have won. It might have been a mock draft thing to be honest. I'm not a completely verse to it, but but it's not. He's not just guaranteed to get back to two thousand eighteen. There are flaws here the fact that he's become more Hannibal and the walks have been there intermittently throughout his career, and if players just waiting him out making him come in zone with something he did lose a tick off of his fastball to and ninety six is still nothing to. Sneeze at and say that it's bad. It's not so much about what the raw total is, so it's about comparatively to where they where they live, and he's been ninety seven, ninety eight throughout his career, so coming down to ninety six is a difference for Kimbro so. We're not trying not to buy him, but we're not averse to doing it particularly when you'd save. Is that the? Verdict here Yeah I. Mean Give Me Guy Goes. Give Me Bradley both going about twenty. Six behind him. It's just after those two guys where it starts getting iffy like. Do you WanNa roll with Mark Melanson do you? WanNa roll the Sean doolittle guys who obviously probably have better skills by The rules are a little uncertain in. Can You really afford in Hell? Yeah is skin. You, can you? Can you afford a shortened season to roll with guys that may not get enough saved to make a difference in the category. Exactly, and that's a great call out there and so that's where that's where we come out on camera role. Sort of pepin endorsement there that. Don't let it go too far especially. If you need some saves, he could. He could spike a great twenty innings to it could go with the complete opposite of how the twenty innings win the year before. Let's move onto the starting pitching and talking about here Tanaka. Who was pretty great? In two thousand, eighteen, three, seventy, five, zero, one, thirteen, with, came down to four, forty, five, one, twenty, four last year, still a pretty solid whip. And Everything else was pretty poultry. Though the four forty five home runs remained in issue, strikeout rate dropped from twenty five to twenty. And you were just kind of like. Not that good. It didn't feel great to have have that composite to knock and I believe he had a run at the end. If I'm remembering, the directory of season started poorly and finished strong my wrong on that. Yes, I am. It's the complete opposite. I am a moron. He was great. For a good while into the season carrying. A three twenty one era through his first sixteen starts, and then over the course of his last. Fifteen or his last yeah, last fifteen starts with one relief appearance thrown in, he had a five eighty nine ers, so tanakh finished poorly after a strong start has always had a home run issue, so the rabbit ball is back again. That's concerning. How do you feel about? Tanaka going at an ADP of two of seven Kenny, bounce back on a great team, so that supports going to be there. Is that enough for you to take the shot? I don't think it is. I? Just want other guys who were going behind him, who I feel like a safer floors and and or higher upsides. Worth the trouble. I think and playing in that L. or that that beast east that were you know that there's been rumored that? I don't want him going up against Atlanta's lineup. I, don't want him going. The nationals lineup or the mets lineup I just. I I'm staying away from Tanaka. Long time to knock a fan, but I am with you here. you talk about home runs? With home runs being the issue. That's the most concerning, and you talk about what you said earlier on how a few starts could really tank things? It only takes you know two three homer games that result in like six plus earned runs each and and it's over like he's not recovering from that if you eat all of those. It's trouble so. I root for Tanaka. I will continue to do so, but I will not have very many teams because I do worry and You mentioned the beast east as well. That's another extra concern so I think I'm GONNA. Pass on on Tanaka, even at a fair price. I don't think the price is agreed. But I think I'm just GonNa look elsewhere because of the the potential volatility that Homerun pitcher has. Let's move over to relief again back to back to the relief, pitchers and Wade Davis had a disastrous nineteen as well. But not not quite like Kimbrel Kimbro was elite mateen been terrible, Davis elite in eighteen, but for Colorado to have a four thirteen. The are a one zero six whip with forty three saves. You were certainly getting value out of that. Era is is tough to cover. But you knew what you were getting into drafting a rockies closer and you can you can. Take a full or thirteen. The whip was still good thirty percent strikeout rate. You just had to cover the IRA. Then it was a disaster last year eight sixty five yard, one eighty eight whip fifteen saves. You do not want those fifteen saves holy crap. That's so bad. Walk rate spiked to fourteen percent strikeout rate down to. Twenty percent excuse me. Home runs heads. I mean he was just a nightmare through and through. It's going to be thirty four. I think he has been on the job in Colorado. It'll way Davis. You don't. Know Because Wade Davis has a vesting option. For Him. Closing it's based on games finished so and because. One of the things about the shorten season is that they're also going to prorate. Those kind of say those program. And so he he, the option vests with thirty games finish in two thousand twenty, so for talking about. A third of a season, we're talking about him. Finishing ten games, there is no way he gets. Hens Aves because of that and so I just take way. Davis completely off. You're bored. I did not realize that because I thought. You know they're paying them. They're still going to give him the shot fifteen mill if he hits that. No Way. No. Way To the Rockies luck that happen. You can't pay that because he'll be thirty five. Yeah Dude I think. And, here's the thing, too. I I wouldn't even put it under the form of contract, manipulation or anything shady, because he doesn't merit having the job in any capacity from what he did, it's it'd be one thing if you was like solid, but a little bumpy last year and then And then had you know than they were going to do this tomb and you'd be like. Hey, come on man. He hasn't really shown any skills degradation and they're just manipulate us. No, no, no, they've got full licensed to do it. Based on the issues that that Davis had last year. You raise a great point. I'm not even I'm not even touching him at a fifty one eighty P, because of that I wasn't really anyway, but. But he was one of those guys. Don't throw him out completely. If you need saves, maybe look at it, but now that you've mentioned that you've got me fully off I'm not I'm not a weird sentence that I said. I'm definitely not I'm definitely not drafting way Davis though hundred percent agree with you. Call Out, so it's got the guy for you. Then I think so. Oberg was the guy that gave save. Chances late in the air. I think he's the guy that is. Stop Up, but I also one of these situations I'm just not going to play around with. Yeah I've rarely have any interest in rockies closers, anyway, Iraqis, pictures of any sort so that's not really going to change much there. Agree with you. Let's go back to the Yankees about J.. T. Teammate. Of Tanaka was really strong in eighteen. You might not remember they a three sixty five year, one thirteen whip in one hundred and seventy seven and two thirds with a twenty six percent strikeout rates spike, the big new career, high in strikeouts, had a hell of a season despite his continued homerun issue blossoming even a little bit further with a one four mark in two thousand eighteen. Well, it really hit the skids in one, thousand, nine, hundred bumped up to one point nine, he lost. The strikeout gains back down to twenty one percent, which is in line with career marks and subsequently put up a four nine one. One thirty area whip mark. Can you buy a thirty seven year old Jay Habit three eighteen. Knowing that we're just a year removed from such success. I don't think I will either. I mean same kind of problems with Tanaka you know. You know beast eased Just I don't think that the the upside warrants the potential downside. I mean obviously more downside here than with Tanaka. We saw that last year so one of those guys that you know if he bounces back good for 'em, slogging APP and on my team. Yeah I think I agree with that that fully as far as. I can see, but. I just don't know that I'm necessarily going to go for have I? Do worry about the extreme volatility again tied to homers. I'm just echoing WANNA said about Tanaka because they are so similar. That kind of a righty lefty version of one another. Team and they have the possibility of being one of the surprise. Guys like Dan they they were two of the best in a little short and season here because they suppressed homers for you know sixty five percent of their starts, and it really helped them. I can see the path to success, and probably not venturing in here so I with Yonhap. He's very cheap. in the League's right doesn't get drafted in the shower or one I play. I'll be interested to at least keep them out on the potential board of of spot starting on against some of the weaker teams against the Orioles or something, let zero get his three hits, but otherwise. Do some damage. Something like that for half, but otherwise not really trying to put him on the squad. Norm I trying to put on this cy young thief, but I did want to bring up Rick Porcelain. Did have a pretty good eighteen, relatively speaking for what he is, people know him as a volume guy that you're getting deeper leagues put up before Twenty Eight one eighteen era whip combo with seventeen wins. Obviously, that was the driving force behind his value in eighteen with a twenty four percent strikeout rate light happy, in spite to a new career high came all the way back down to nineteen percent last year, five, fifty, two, zero, one thirty nine whip. was going to the L.. which isn't as appealing anymore with the D.. H. Being there, but it's GonNa be on the mets and he's going to have a job because store being out. That's opening up the door for Portillo. He's a three forty four ADP. Are you. Are you taking the taking the here? Oh. No I mean portfolios. One of those guys that tends to be like okay I need a guy that is gonna be kind of a boring innings, eater, rage, stabiliser guy, but it's now been kind of a few seasons since he's done that and those guys are less than appealing in the shortened season. I agree and so I just don't see and again still many he may now be in New York with the match, but he's still got to pitch in that BC's, so he's still going to go up against the Yankees and the raise, and now the red sox and Blue Jays so. Yeah now a mom away from Paulo. Yeah I. I totally agree. They're like when when you are a compiler and volume is your thing there's. Going to be so much harder to To leverage that like like, what can you really do as volume guy? To overwhelm in sixty game season. You can't really do I don't i. don't see he had. Let's see one two, three, four, five six. Seven eight nine ten games last year, where he gave up five earned runs or more like that's killer like that's. Like. That's just a killer for especially in the short and sees. The. Yeah No! Enjoy your cy young. Do you deserve it but? He didn't. Shut you dumb little. Mouth. Did Not deserve it absolutely stolen. Oh, could you did it, did it? Breaking News Tante. The MLB. Players. Associations finalize a proposal to MLB for a season in the neighborhood of seventy games sources. Tell Me Jeff Passan and Jesse Rogers those me being Jeff, that the me. Was Jeff Passing? It's not like I said all three of those. It was just fastest tweeted on. Reading got such an idiot. Anyway. What do you think about that? Oh my God. I'm so excited. We get to talk about real stuff next week. The MVP as proposal is for seventy game sources tell ESPN includes a split playoff revenues while the league's unlikely to accept this proposal. It's close enough close enough for them that there will be a season whether it's be a deal or MLB setting shorter schedule, so basically it's. Looking like. This might be close enough to get. Even if this this deal, itself isn't accepted a couple changes here here and there sprinkle it on. Button it up. Get it the frick done. If it's not sixty nine game season, they missed out on a great. I mean marketing for sure. Yeah, come on! Get it done. Where's your confidence now? Did it raise based on that? One hundred and sixty nine percent. Oh, I love it. Love it. We're GONNA do it. We're going to happen Yeah, yeah, it is going to happen eighty eighty nine percent sure that this is going to happen, which is like a B. Plus and that that's a good great for me. I'll move up to sixty nine percent just for the me as we wrap up the show. Those are buybacks that you can look at we may be. We may be trending toward a season hopefully when we come back on Tuesday. We're talking about the map out season And and we're saying hey, if you're doing redrafts or if you do a new drafts, get these guys do this that and the other. Here's hoping. We have a strong weekend of movement and we can talk about ranks. and. Get together Jason To. Have something to. Write. I'll. I'll know what to do I'll I'll be okay today. New rankings coming out like I, said I'm pretty much unless it drops on the weekend that it's finalized some pretty much ready. They're drop. SAP ranks once we get if we get something locked over the weekend. They're out on Monday so anyway. Justin I hope you have a great weekend open to has wonderful news for us and our talk next Tuesday.

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Jim Shady

Highly Questionable

21:30 min | 2 years ago

Jim Shady

"Hello and welcome to the end of our highly questionable week with Meena kind senior writer for E._S._p._N.. The magazine what do you like on today's show Meena Jim Harbaugh the gift that keeps on giving especially in July valid buffy. What do you make of the N._F._L.'s decision to suspend Tariq? He'll what a bad look for a league that is trying to be a moral ullathorne pioneer on domestic abuse and these are the facts as we know them and some of the facts are in dispute and the N._F._l.. Says they didn't have enough facts to feel like going forward and punishing him on this that the tape might have been doctored. There was a murkiness there but here are the facts axes. We know them. He hasn't been found guilty previously in a league that does not tolerate repeat offenders of strangulating his girlfriend who was pregnant at the time then what happens is being investigated for domestic abuse case in which is threatening threatening said girlfriend and now the N._F._l.. Is telling you that with those as the established facts. Nobody disputes them. There is no punishment for the moral authority leader on domestic abuse so what the N._F._l.. Has told you told everybody because they got into these waters and now they're going to be criticized when they do anything that you can be accused and found guilty of domestic abuse by strangulation of your pregnant girlfriend and then threaten earn away the calls her a dumb b word. I think Dan Dan is right to focus on the context the history between tyreek Hill and the mother of his child here because the current case is complicated. The police dropped their investigation of tyreek and his fiancee. After their child broke his arm. They didn't have conclusive of evidence and it's not entirely surprising to me that the League didn't go where the law didn't on that issue but the threat was on tape we know their history and that surprises me because in the past the N._F._l.. has suspended players for threatening or or emotionally abusing their partners and I realized that this point we should know hunger expect the N._F._l.. To be consistent on anything but this is disappointing is that the big deal Sean mcvay told Jimmy Kimmel that Tucker Lee is feeling great. Didn't you all find it really strange that at the end of the season the Patriots had their best defensive game of the entire season shutting down a great offense that hadn't been shut down like that old season. I thought that was because what the Hell is wrong with the M._v._p.. Candidate I saw earlier this year who was dominating the League from a position that has been largely disposable. Todd Gurley could've been M._V._p.. The way he was tracking last year and then all of a sudden arthritic condition and his knee he's twenty four four years old and all the reports are all of them. He's done as a workhorse back after they've given them. A lot of money. mcvay can be optimistic if he wants to be but they're transactions this off season and the way they used him in the super bowl suggest that that's not the way it's going to be. Is it a big deal yes and no yes because as Dan alluded to todd girlies health has been murky for a while now actually before the c rule before the postseason even during the regular season there was some confusion about how healthy he was no because he was felled by C. J. Anderson person who was quite good and I don't think they're struggles during the regular season in the postseason because of Todd Gurley I think they were because of the offensive line absence of to Cooper Cup now they've got two more running backs Malcolm Brown and Darryl Henderson the rookie who are better than quite good. Good and it wouldn't surprise me if they running back by committee regardless of Todd Gurley health her take was pretty good there but it was better on the radio where she said that the rams missed last year cup more than they missed girly shocking hot. Take ooh dearly dearly. He smart businessman he got paid or the southern says contract arthritis right so messed up how shall he was shea. Jim harbaugh threw over Meyer. Shady was the word that he was supposed to say there. It sounded a bit like a curse word. There aren't many coaches. I don't think that can make news saying something something like this about Urban Meyer that seems obvious but when it's Michigan and when it's Jim Harbaugh what he's saying is look they've had some excellence around urban Meyer but wherever he goes there is controversy urban Meyer we all know is a bit of a mercenary scenario urban Meyer came on this show and admitted that while he was at Florida he felt like he was selling his soul in exchange for victories that there were compromises. He was making an exchange for the winning. That's what you get when you get urban Meyer however what you're supposed post to get when you get Jim Harbaugh at Michigan is not always loses to urban Meyer and now talking about hey but at least we run a clean program they did not get horrible to run a clean program. They got harbaugh to beat. The guy wasn't running a clean program allegedly so harbaugh said this on the Tim Kawakami show when I heard it I smiled because where is the lie right leg. I'm sure right now on the Internet there are tons of college football fans screaming Oh and four which is Harvey Record Against Urban Meyer and they're right. He is a bit of a flawed messenger sure but oh and four does not refute accuracy of what he said which is while that Urban Meyer has been very very successful on the field. He did say that off the field. He has not been successful because of what happened at Florida because it would have in Ohio state where he utterly failed to lead on the subject of domestic violence those are just simply facts regardless of who is saying them do forget what it was that made him a national name at Florida when Tim Tebow was there with a Halo Halo over there huddle that team had a murderer and it's huddled first of all and was arrested more than any team in the sport at the time. Sometimes there is a connection between how violence your men are everywhere and how good they are on the field. We'll Erin boom surround actually kind of sweet. I'm telling you baseball you get some microphones in the hands of the players all over the field and you'll have something that we all WanNa watch no matter how slow that Damn game is so we've got rookie umpire in this situation. This is just his fifth game behind home plate. Look at what happened wrecking everything here nine years old. It is lunch. It is not sweet in any way that your unpire anyone in your life as you're trying to do. Is Your job getting that close to your face and just telling you repeatedly be better. You need to be better who does that. I kinda liked it. I thought it was a win for actually everyone involved except for the race <music> obviously for the Yankees who came back from behind to win six two two for Aaron Boone not just because he threw himself in whatever Brett Gardner was doing there but also because before this game. I've never really thought of him. As a fiery passionate leader now he's responsible sponsored for one of the greatest catch phrases in managerial history and probably a lot of bootleg merchandise sales outside of Yankee Stadium. I also think it was a win for the up. Yes that must have been painful and awkward but he acquitted himself pretty. Well and I'm guessing want some respect from around around the league I mean he just stood there. In Tokyo right acquitted himself well. He just stood there. Let that do do whatever he wanted coming up next on myself stevie show unbelievably inaccurate shot at Lenny. Oh Aw Frenchie wow my son's T._v.. Show is brought to you by Liberty Mutual Insurance only pay for what you need technology truth brought to you by Geico GEICO truth teenagers can communicate entirely in emojis how why birthday party pizza slice kitten soccer ball pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car. Insurance is at GEICO DOT com. What are you talking about? paperclips shoulder shrug high five wizard hat what Geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more than to play the game that thinks that milkshake dosing count as ice cream. Do you question topics and events we question. Do you question yourself. We should try fishing. This guy's got to choose man. You know he can throw the ball. I'm from very far away very accurately. You've not heard chew. It's a Miami expression for having a Canon for an arm. I'm sorry I thought that went without saying. Let's see what we have here. It does sound dirty. It is dirty. It is dirty way to you see what he does. This arm is dirty tubes men thirty nine five six double play which is very rare so the question that do you think that he should peach no. He shouldn't pitch what kind of ridiculous questions that he just made a really nice drove from the Anfield shoots like that. Do you question about you help. These kids improve their basketball asking both my father really likes. This guy plays for the Miami Heat. The Miami really liked this guy. We continue to lead all of E._S._P._N.. In covering these basketball camps where these kids get embarrassed by professionals who are long in. Seven feet tall what happened here third time fourth time humiliated rejected house in practice the Karl Anthony towns does this same thing. We've had a number of these layers camps all over over and it's like all of you get out of here. I mean the girl yeah. I mean if I was that tall. It's what I do too. I love it when N._B._A.. Players they go against little kids. I just love it. Oh my father okay montage of embarrassing little heads no more of this he does that to larger people people. Do this is Mark L. up. Wow fighting these. He's nothing out of the best buy this <hes> this is not this is not fair. This is nice nice thing to do. Isaiah Thomas Pardon me new was going to end there and yet. I was still surprised Danny Amy one. These one on one battle are Danny Aines. Is the general manager for the Boston Celtics. He's got a dog menas crazy about dogs and knowing about dog. She's got a very average dog named Eleni. Let's see what we have here wouldn't unbelievably inaccurate shot at Lenny. Oh Frenchie Oh wow starkly is pretty good defense. Who's winning right now? WHOA better defense than Kyri? That was Boston fans. Get him get him defending without fouling. This is amazing. He's a real bulldog back there. We're complaining about my average dog. Alienating viewers take a look at this. Oh no no some of our viewers that committed oh wait. There's more to come on video. That's clean being some sort of near cat. Ah some sort. Do you know what that was explained be. Should we get in his candor or that dog. I'd probably plays better defense. Any is cantor questionably broadcast from the Clear Lander Hotel Beautiful South Beach Miami time to play the game that is going to miss me not next week. Don't live with Dan see. Oh no you tell us what to watch on television tonight. We tell you we're intrigued tonight on E._S._P._N.. Los Angeles F._C.. And the L. A. Galaxy wow that voice just snorted red bull that came pretty pretty fast right coming a little slower than that all right. We've got in this game. We've got 's Latin and he is talking about. Carlos Villa Carlos Villa is clearly statistically the best player in M._l._S. but salons not avenue now you talk about lifting the level and getting players like yourself and you said right now. You're the best player in major league soccer. There's another player in Los Angeles Carlos Villa in this moment he's got nineteen. Goals twelve assists and his team is leading major league soccer. Do you still consider yourself the best player in major league soccer by far because the visiting in these prime old cars best twenty nine twenty nine says Melissa Uneasiness Product <hes> and that was twenty nine where it was you were in Europe as is it is it is a big difference. He should actually play on a horse like on the cover of a romance novel Leaner You intriguing see he somehow pumping himself up and dumping on the entire League thank you sir are the best thin- mountain of bleep by Your own opinion bopper. You Intrigue C._C.. You kidding me are little league. That's my man Bella Villa Candle. You know what I mean like a cancer. That's right. He's the guy that's going to make it happen been in L._A.. Slept on the big talker man I tell you now. He's saying that you know he's prime. He was twenty nine years. He's who who who remembers that. This is a moment this is done. This is horrible. That's the big game of the year I mean this. It's worth the champions are made this Latin. You are big talker. That's about it as a big talker who talks less well. That's right when I was twenty nine. I was hot stop well. That was a long time. They were the one thousand years ago tonight on Fox. Sports Arizona brewers diamondbacks. No Lorenzo Cain is fun to watch in the outfield defensively. Let's see what he did here. s tomorrow M._R.. What happened in the National League? Here's a dry deep to right center and that's pretty good. How bad does that feel right? They hit a ball four hundred and fourteen eighteen and he made it look easy. It's not easy to do your tree no of course not but I am intrigued by thirty-three-year-old Lorenzo Cain having the best defensive if season of his career you intrigue. We'll see see I'm intrigued but the you see the guy any back tried to hold onto his watch that guy whereas he oh let's see slow. Thank thank you thanks hotdog. He will knock the bird prey away from his shoulder. What was he doing with a full bottle of attach up and a dog? 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Regression To The Mean

Fantasy Focus Baseball

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Regression To The Mean

"Sir. This is not Spanish focus. Baseball podcast here. Your hosts tristen Cochran and Eric era bell. It's true fantasy. Focus baseball for Thursday, June twentieth two thousand nineteen I am. Eric. He is league winner tristen. We have cost behaving near it hashbrowns producing duties while Tom carpenter quietly, stupidly and a totally watchdogs on today's find show. It's another weekend preview, I believe, plus more home runs. More prospects more injuries were hashbrowns. It's basically just more of everything. We'll try to keep it into a tidy. I don't know forty five fifty minutes or so. We'll see if we can do that. I don't know if we can. There is tough. I gotta be Monday seemed like they're easier. Thursdays of so much we have to get through trista because so many things happening during a rea- week, a why am I wasting time we set our goals, and then we fall a mentally short. Let's do it here for nothing. If not consistent. All right. Where should we start max Scherzer busted his nose. They dominated the Phillies would have happened. Anyway. That's so make sure of though it was, you know what I and look, I don't Phillies fan. Okay. And I'm like they have no chance. You saw it early like he was angry was throwing heart. He hadn't thrown that hard with average velocity and game in seven years, then amazing. Yeah. He was like I'm angry. We haven't played in couple days. My arm feels great. I'm just going to blow these guys away and it wasn't that difficult frequent Cy Young a couple of speaking of Cy Young a former winner and possible future winner. Got lit up yesterday wanna get your you know your angle on this. Blake, snail could not get more than one out against the Yankees. Could not throw strikes that was bad Lucas, g Alito throwing strikes, but they were hitting him over the fence you worried about any of these guys. I assume snow is still top ten God of you and gelato borderline top twenty but you have concerns not really. I think those numbers he threw are still pretty right. It's just that reminder and we've said. This with J Lido that it doesn't all go with complete perfection each and every time the fact that he had one. What was it nine starts in a row? Come on. Wanna talk about an incredible hot streak. I mean that was inevitably gonna regress to some degree. So I'm discarding that one Snell snow season really isn't bet as good as people think it has, he's had some very good outings, I've watched a few including previous one against the Yankees where he just absolutely dominated them. I think it was a four or five inning thing, and then he fell apart late. So there's been a little bit of inconsistency within the outings, in terms of the command and the durability, I'd say that the stamina probably, but, you know. Overall, I'm still saying he's a top ten Stor. Is there a story here when a starting pitcher has an amazing season? We all think he's good. Anyway, but then he comes out with an amazing season. And then the next year it's like back to what he was before can throw strikes or or like Aaron Nola, Blake Snell, I feel like this others that were really, really good last year unexpectedly. And now they're just kinda sputtering along trying to figure it out. It's like every year so different than the year before for pitchers. You'd find that or. No. I I hear this a word for that. Some, some words with an ROI heard regret now regressions not the word because and it's all literally regression it's literally regression. Yeah, but I don't like calling what Blake's now did yesterday, regression, I think he's struggling to find command. I think knoll is to. He's an officiant. Is that regression to the mean? What mean is there for Ellen Nola? Yeah, the, the problem I have with this. When we use the word regression. I like to use it as regression to the mean which means that you don't expect the players in Julius case. This is the. Sample to put up the exact pace numbers that they have been. I don't think of regression as a bad word. I think you're, you're Snell example. It's an apt one here because. Yeah. It's a little bit different from that. I'm not sure what exactly I would call it. He he, he just sometimes is not quite right this season. I think he's just off. I think that superstar players occasionally are off. You're not going to be one hundred percent on any given day. Heck I know I'm not. No, I'm not honor percent for every show. Maybe today who knows I doubt it. Let's, let's have a listen names here. So there might be rhyme or reason here. But I don't care both through all this fast. We can Astros Goodell to back Springer could be next week thoughts here. Great news, if you got them, I don't really see any reason to be significantly concerned, other than to set setback was a little bothersome Trevor's story, her stomach gin yesterday. But they think it's okay, but Brenner Rogers, they call him up today to play shortstop regularly. I am in aren't you? Yep. Okay. Just some the watch we don't know Trevor stories in the injured list or he's playing today. I have no idea. He's not Trevor story. We've got to be clear on that story is amazing player. I think that, that he said a bar that Rogers can't possibly meet, but yeah, pick them up everywhere. Play them. Everywhere thought Logan Allen debuted for the Padres. Chris paddock is back this weekend. We told everybody not to worry about paddock you like more one spot panic. Okay. Very easily paddock. It was paddock in the beginning of the year was paddock after the hot streak. It was paddock that day, the demotion, it's paddock today. It's paddock tomorrow, paddock's better pitcher. We were going to get to this later, but I wrote it down. Now Tyler showered starts today. But advert house allay is up the big curveball guy for the cubs and he's going to pitch in relief. We think today. And we don't know who gets the starting next week. Would you add a deeper league today? And it deeper league certainly. Yeah. I think there is a decent chance that since Kyle Hendricks is going to miss a decent chunk of time that could move into that rotation spot. They're gonna line today as sounds like chat is an opener. Maybe he throws two three innings and the Nells delays. The guy comes on and relief. Pro probably with the same amount. It's a to start week next week. So why not speculate speaking, a young pitching Yamamoto the Marlins or Zach gallon who view debuts today? Marlins starting pitching pretty good. I'm not concerned about Pablo Lopez who has a shoulder injury. But Zac downs numbers in the minds tremendous and Miami aren't winning much, but they're pitching pretty well, they are. And like the overachievers here, I mean more less we're tation as a whole for the pest calendar here. Feels like they've done this if I'm gonna choose between them. I'll just take gallons minor league numbers. But I don't think that's a slam dunk. I think you could you could draw the name, the two names out of a hat in whichever comes up, you'll be just as equally fine with gallon does not other reputation as a front rotation guy, speak Lear. And one thing he was the number nineteen prospect, just for the Marlins not matab hundred of Keith laws preseason list. And I'm not only a spot ahead of them using the MLB rankings on their own team today, so tells you a lot gallon ceiling is not what people seem to be making it out to be more home runs rest of the year Justin Upton or Jose Ramirez. That's, that's a good one Upton homered twice this week already. Although one was Jackson. I feel like you might have been able to do that. Ramirez home for the first time, it was more than a month since his last home run getting out of hand. I'll take Ramirez, but I like you'll take Ramirez, more home runs and up and the rest of the year. I won't I. You got to I mean you wouldn't ask if you didn't think it was close. I don't think it's close. I guess I mean, I guess I could be asking this as would you rather roster and a fantasy league and who would hit more home runs? And I'm I don't wanna say, I'm giving up Ramirez's kind of given up on Ramirez now. Like I, I had them like I've been telling people, you gotta wait it out because you're probably ten place if he was a first round pick. But then I would I would trade him for Justin Upton right now. 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It interests me just because the deal, I think can win the NFL batting title this season. I really do like when balancer comes down a little bit. I think Jeff McNeil combat three thirty with like twelve home runs score. Lots of runs and maybe even steal twelve aces. I love that. And I'm glad that he's doing basis. Good and underrated player. He's a good underrated player. All right. What else is next here? And then somebody tweeted out that Mukhi bets actually has a lower PS than then Clint Frazier, actually Dave and he got two moated. They had the same, but I mean it's incredible that those two matched. Yeah. Check out the story by Tim Heaney on our website about players that could use a change of scenery in the next five weeks before the trade deadline. Clint Fraser should be number one on that list. Let's closer opportunities to, oh, let's closers. Here's the carousel. Cavs my blog today, not a whole lot. I think to watch this week in the two teams I'm looking at the reds and the twins. Michael Lorenzen has the last two saves four Cincinnati, while resou- glazes pitched the eighth inning and into the ninth and one that could be changing and then the twins. I think Blake Parker's on some list for I don't know, family, family or something. So Taylor Rogers should get their safe chances this weekend. And maybe that'll continue. What did he picks the fifth inning yesterday? I know they were getting blown out, but still third. I think it was weird. They had to piece together. I don't take an awful lot of way by the way that they used their pitchers yesterday. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. That was Amelia Pagon pitcher third for Custodio. Yeah. Don't worry about Roberto soon. He's not losing the job. Ryan, personally, you think is a problem there. No. I'm a little surprised. We've glossed over Trevor maze possibility. I don't think I mean he had one safe chance. He's been pitching sixth and seventh inning. He does he hasn't lately. He's been used as the primary setup man to Taylor, Rogers lately with Blake Parker out or because he struggled. They've just been using him. Now, Parker may had one of those games out of the past four where he was a little shaky and Parker came on to relieve him in the eighth. But otherwise may had been the guy pitching that. And he snuck in that off day save. That's a complete committee to me. But it's interesting that maze working back into that. Mexican remember you and I talked about this a lot. He was just not a factor. The first. Six weeks way. Davis is just kind of bad. But I don't see him losing the job unless he's on the injured list, which she's not. Craig campbell. Maybe in a week. Oh, I think it is almost mathematically, one week from now that creek Kimball comes back, I think the minute he does the back tobacco effective days in the minors. He's up brief recap in the last couple of days. My cleanser, I didn't think it was that bad he was getting strikeouts. Two inherited runners ice. Still trust in greatly, do you. He got hurt and I believe the second inning of this ankle or something. Yeah. The fact that he pitched through that because they are mentioned that he's not one hundred percent for his next start. I think he'll make it. I don't wanna read too much in the numbers just because I know he was pitching at a little less than top form worried about Zack Wheeler so high. You're right. Yeah. Somebody even made the point that, that the purple numbers backed up him improving over time. And now they've the perforate have gotten worse than caught up with the traditional roll stats. That's not a good trend over Bailey interest now. Zilch? Lance Lynn people, I'm all in a Lance Lynn, but not Homer, Bailey. You agree or no? I like Lance Lynn Coutts, and that's not some ordure other numbers either. Like that's like that's a decent season landslides, having it is. And he's done this a lot. He he tends to have two to three month outstanding and very underrated periods. The problem is that when Lance Lynn goes wrong with the command it goes very badly. I mean five plus area almost Edmund Jackson Thursdays pitchers. Jimmy nelson. How long do you wait? He's only ESPN plus against the reds today. He hasn't been able to pitch deep into the game either. I get it takes time. Yeah. Last year. But and I just don't like a long time. I think I think he gets three to five starts, but in our game, especially we cannot afford patients like that. If you have one spot Zach gallon, or framer Valdez. Franson pretty good lately that Yankee Stadium though facing this cardinals line at that can't score any runs. The worst teams month. They do a bats in the lineup. But as you've pointed out, they've been extremely streaky Paul young. Great example area stolen base for Paul Goldschmidt. I don't I don't feel great about using either one this week. So I'm looking at this from the long-term stash and I'm going out is wholly orients supposedly maybe a two winning opener today for the dodgers, man. That's the giants. It's not even fair, the Pomeranz terrible retired on the injured list. But and he's really good. It's just like if you draft until you kinda knew he wasn't making thirty starts didn't you? Yeah. But this doesn't sound very good. This does not sound like manipulation of the I L roles sounds like it'll legitimate injury. Friday on ESPN. Plus Michael, walk host Griffin canning. I would go nowhere near Michael Walker. I'm just saying, but pitch. Well last time but I see your point one nothing to do. Walker jokes. I'm just not in at all these bad joke, fell flat. Yeah. So they go. Rockies are the dodgers this week and Herman markes and Walker bureau. It's a good match up on Friday night like that to twenty guys probably is. But he's out of your top. Twenty I think now and I don't know. Course it's not course I don't know what to think of Aaron Nola. He's just not the same bounce back at any point. But I'm the walk rape. Yeah. I mean he's just he's so inefficient now. He get through six innings. We I just what's, what the walk rate, I that, that's incredibly bothersome tomatoes, not traditional IRA Nola. Dallas Kyko Washington Friday night. We've been through this believe talking about quake already but I mean specked immediate success because nobody's seen him in a while or do you think yes to like work into depict counts or, and the braider scoring so many runs? I mean, they're gonna win the division by double digit games. Like to me that Atlanta offense is unbelievable right now. So even if he has an era of, like, even John lesser is going to win ten games of the year. Yeah. Based on that team. And he is going to be a regular member of the rotation health willing here. I'm out on this game without a doubt. The beat reporters were all over the fact that despite the good line and AAA in the last start he labored through that. So I am concerned in this particular game, especially with the enthusiasm and excitement of making his debut for the team I worry about how deep he goes. And how effective he is. I should've mentioned you like Griffin canning at the cardinals again they're not hitting very much. I kinda like Griffin canning and just from that aspect. Also the fact that Saint Louis does of fairly pitching leaning park. I guess I'm go there. I'm not what? It's not gonna be a great outing. I think it'll be good. Useful Astros, Yankee series should be a good one Astra's haven't won this week. Not that I would worry if I was an Astros fan. I mean they're obviously very good. Just like you've been complaining about the Yankees. I mean, come on, they have played very well against Tampa very, very well Tampa too, because Bickel, what do you think the lineup ends up like judge Stanton curiously? I guess we're Luke void purposes. Why I'm asking the question and can't make into to some degree, like do you may even still going to be on the team and is Luke Floyd. Stay in the number two spot. I know I don't think, well, I think that maybe we'll stay on the team as long as healthy, the injuries have really been the question, I think they'd like to have them as a fifth option in the outfield. But if they are forced to squeeze him off the roster. They're gonna keep Gardner on it. Instead. Voight not going to bat second just because that's typically Aaron judge spot. And I think he'll go right back into that. But void hitting six seven. It's not a bad thing to be. He's gonna play every Saturday paddock against Chris Archer. One of them is good. I think paddock is going to be fine here. I don't know why people keep raw string, Chris Archer. I mean I understand the strikeouts. But man that's that's like those are bad numbers with no reason to believe they're going to change. I don't think. Yeah. And paddock, by the way, it was a ten day minimum stay exactly on target and I don't the last time. No, I think they're gonna you're gonna see the same manipulation all your from the Padres and they should why did a very easy schedule coming out of this weekend series. And they've already talked a little bit about who are they going to manipulate the outings force. So you're gonna see it a lot with Padres this year. Just deal with it. And by the way, Padres for the first time in their history to players twenty home runs each before the also break their outfield leads the majors and home runs the Padres and from Ray is available in like. Seventy percent of the peon leagues. And Greg Vaughn is not one of those two outfielders rent froze, great, too. I mean like we wondered how they were both going to they're both playing. Good man. You know what? I'm going to mitt right now memo go, I was just plain wrong. Like didn't you think he'd be a good player? I think we were both wrong on that one that was like a handed homers and thirty steals for years. And he just he's just hit at all. You know what Margo really reminded me of like the Lorenzo Cain path with a little bit better health, and it's not it's not maybe he will have a later part of his career that's canes. Maybe it won't be in San Diego. I almost blog this week on all align up of guys. You can just at this point BUSTER. Posey go ahead, nothing's happening there. Joey Votto, nothing's happening there. Robbie can no nothing there. I would have been wrong. Maybe about Josh Donaldson. Lorenzo Cain would be on that list, like and nNcholas cost Alana's who's not gonna Homer enough for you. In our bet. I'm doing I'm not doing so hot off start point there is. And you tell me if or not. But every player, I just named there if you wanna drop them for somebody better, Lorenzo Cain. This is just it's not happening Matt carpenter. You wanna get their sure we're at the point now where canot invite a lot of these veteran guys. It's just not happening and I see every single one of these points, I will hesitate on carpenters because of the track record and the discipline numbers Lorenzo Cain. Not even stealing enough basis to make it worthwhile. Last I checked canes numbers were supporting being roster were though, barely. I, I hate to. I know it's like that. But you get my point like four months for Lorenzo Cain to hit more than fifty with ten steals, like. It's just not happening, right? I mean, if it's an opportunity that the next your now Varez gets called up. That's who you're picking up. And you need to cut somebody in canes, the guy I get it. But I'm not going to, to make some sort of rash decision and cut him for. That's fair. A plug in type, but like say we get bit really bad news on Trevor story today. It's UCLA injury. Again, he's already had one and Brennan Rogers. He's shortstop for the rest of the season, aren't you dropping vodka and Kane, and, and connote to jump at Brennan Rogers, you have veto canno-. I mean Cain. I hate to do it. I would like I don't want to be I don't wanna be having this conversation with you on August. I where we say, Renzo Kane is hitting fifty three with nine stolen bases and four home runs. Like I just I don't wanna do that, right. And figure that we, we need to remind listeners that remember that our instinct here is we play in the leagues that go so deep that cutting, these player is just not a consideration. The replacement is just the level. The replacement value level is just not there. Tintin league. That's what we're talking about your cane in ano- labor, which finished second, and again, and I can't do anything with them. I have auto there to nobody's gonna take. Right. Right. And but in a points league Lorenzo doing nothing. He's not he's not walking enough. It's a low on base percentage. No power like it's just not worth it. Even an appoints leagues especially at ten pin standard. One interesting thing here that you haven't brought up because he did earlier in the show mentioned Ramirez, the cut, and he did not come up one bit in that little, you're right? He should reason why he can't be there because in a row to league stealing too many bases. Okay. And fifteen steals right now. I wouldn't be mentioning came. But you know what? And Ramirez should be off our droplets, too. I just I you're right. Why is Jose Ramirez not on the list for me? He should be he. Yeah. I what is going to change with Jose Ramirez at this point, like a home run every month and he steals three bases? But he bats. Only ten it's just not worth it. Yeah. This is this is the thing, I'm seeing a ton of people latching onto we've set at ourselves. The he's this year's Matt carpenter remembering the carpenter had a dreadful first two months of last season. And then he turned it on, and it was one of the best fantasy. Do you regret making that decision on may twentieth? You cut Matt carpenter in two in thousand eighteen something you should regret. Why? Because Matt carpenter thirty home runs laugh to that. Okay. And how could you have seen that coming? He ruined your team for seven weeks. You're right. We couldn't seen a choline, but I think it's a little different now because we're in late June. Yeah. So, like, I feel like if I dropped Joey vodka in STAN Lee. League maybe not points because the walks but in a row league, I don't see how that can hurt me. And I think we're there with Jose Ramirez a less. He just keeps stealing. He's also stealing at a higher rate than his on base percentage supports, like we Billy Hamilton can't feel thirty basis because he's not base Ramirez at that point, I, I raise it because this debate comes up each and every single season. It has every year since I've started doing this, and nobody gives the firm answer on the thing and might take. I don't think you could have regretted cutting carpenter may twentieth. That is what the metrics were telling you, and if it didn't work out Soviet in the league, you gotta make moves exactly, if you wait, too. Like if the main reason we're not cutting carpenters, because the two thousand eighteen I mean, in a month, we're going to be wrong, if we I would argue we probably already all wrong based on what you said it is not made what I will say this. If you're if you're floundering tenth eleventh place, and you're trying to move up in the standings. I feel like the best ways to rely on one of these guys. And. They do turn it around. But I would argue that somebody who was contending. What if I'm in second or third available? Spot you cut that player I can pick them up. I might benefit and you're right. You're right. And there's no way win this debate. There's none. If, if our friend offers me, John lesser for, Joey Votto. I can't do it, but lesser is not going to have a great second half. He's just average. But if somebody, I really liked who it would be crazy to treat vodka for, like, don't have to like vodka for Mike sirocco don't have to consult. Yeah, but I don't think you're gonna get that I'm wondering whether you should take Lester. Sunday baseball on ESPN. It's our pulls was first weekend back St Louis. How about that? Tyler Skaggs on Sunday night against miles Michaels, which is interesting Skaggs, which really well last outing against the bad offense and Michael, look good in his last outing, as well. You don't want our pool. So I assume we'll be in the lineup playing first basis weekend. So tiny won't play this weekend. That's stinks. I just realized that more play at all because there's no logical field position that first base and he'll just pinch hit. But when that's the inks come on enough with this ready baseball. I mean, they got a million problems from from the netting throwing people, but the I wanna see the DA's, so I can see Tony hit every day, I want to see the because I do not ever wanna see Matt strong. Batting a key situation a game, and he walks with the bases loaded. And I don't wanna see. First of all, look, make sure there's amazing. He's still number one starting pitcher. He wasn't even taking that drill seriously. And that's how the ball hit him in the in the broken nose, and gave game a black guy, he was like I gotta do bone drill because they're making me do it. I wasn't even looking. I wasn't paying attention. And look what happened to him pitcher should not be betting. They're terrible. This the worst batting average and opium in the history of the sport for the pitchers because they don't even try. I mean obviously Bumgarner is different. There's Wainwright's different but enough. This already. I mean match Trump should never have been even coming up to the plate for John gray to walk him. I wanna see tiny play this weekend, and he won't he'll just pinch it three mask. You how you felt about this debate in nineteen ninety six didn't feel the same way as I do. Now the reason why it's different now is because the strike irate is exploding. And I hate nine relief pitchers on a roster. I baseball this way, if you tell me, first of all, if starting pitchers in the National League, we're going deeper into games, I'd be a little bit different but it's not going five and two thirds innings on average. So they're not even getting the chance and they're not putting down effectively, so no, I don't want anymore with the game is radically different than it was from nineteen Ninety-six picked it because it was the year before interleague play started. I love in early play, by the way, I think it's cool. I hated it. When it started. I really, really hate now. I love it. You know. So anyway, that was our ran for the day, the second half of the show is coming up right now. I think changes are coming. I love the second base and the men on second extra innings. I hate that hate that I hate that. I don't mind eighteen game once in a while. There's very few of them anyway. But and kudos to the teams that have already announced putting netting all the way out to the foul. Poles. Taxes was St Louis it was socks White Sox good for them. I hope Philly does. I hope every team does not affect your view that much. Give me a break. There's an instinctual part of me that thinks as a kid who wanted to catch a fell ball at the games that it diminishes my chances of that. But having watched the dangers of foul balls. As this figured really fast. And don't tell me. Oh, I have a glove my dad's paying attention. It doesn't matter. Well, I saw a kid get hit by a foul ball at a game. It's incredibly upsetting. It needs to be done. I was giving us the last couple of weeks ago. Like mother screamed and it was awful, I anyway, what questions we have today Michael on Twitter. He notes Martinez been getting all the love and era Zona, but he wants to know what you guys think of water Escobar the rest of the what. Yeah, I don't think people realize, I mean Marseille obviously, this is crazy with the power numbers, but at order Escobar's, having tremendous sees interest in. He's the number twenty hitter on the season player at what our Escobar Martavis number fourteen. But Escobar also with middle infield eligibilty. I mean Arizona's got to Munster hitters this season. I don't think we expected either these to happen. Escobar's that's an amazing season. He's a head of bregman Marseille Mookie. What great numbers? Yeah. Peter eighteen. How about that? I wrote about the day anyway, Escobar. Yeah. I don't see why this can't continue to you. Do you see any reason? I don't Escobar's biggest strike against him was that he did start with two or three weeks of extremely cold play. I know because of the hat in my points leak, and he's been amazing since then I believe in fantasy points almost even at the stage Coldplay. I knew you were gonna go. I'm sure I do. But I don't. I can't even do. I mean I still listen to stuff in the seventies anyway. Yes. Escobar knocking like one hundred twenty runs. You're going to see power numbers season people that you've never seen before. I like fifteen players are gonna hit forty home runs including Seoul, air and to Padres. Al feelers that have never done it before it like it's just you're gonna see. Unbelievable numbers. And Peter Lonzo is gonna fifty home runs. Then amazing. He's pay bells gonna hit fifty home runs. Yeah. He's pacing near Aaron judge record. I mean it's unbelievable. What the power numbers are. I would prefer game three years ago. But, you know whatever it could go back to the same next year. Who knows what they're going to be with me on eskimo Verma Tae the rest of the way. Over morte. Yep. Yeah. I think I think what Martinez doing. Power wise is just. A little bit less sustainable, fair, and mortician running more. If more tense deals right now, instead of four, I wouldn't say this, but he's just he's not trying to steal basis. So it's pretty close. The rep for power doesn't go back to the extent that Escobar's does not that eater. These guys has a reputation for being a leap power, but Escobar's shown -bility over multiple years, right? I think it's safe for power for Escobar, but pitchers are not figuring out what to do with Marseille. So all right. What's next, the Miami sports minute on Twitter wants Jordan Yamamoto is now a top forty starting pitcher at least trending that direction. I think I know what you're going to say. I mean, we need to see more than two outings. But how many do we need to see will we know when we see it like it's two outings against the struggling offense? I, but I will say we've underrated Morlin starting pitchers. Trevor Richards is to guy next week. He's really good. Now he might only win nine games a season like Bumgarner. But he's a good pitcher Pablo Perez is a good pitcher, sandy Alcan tariff could stop the walks a little bit is a good pitcher. I think that the home ballpark helps. But that's why I'm kind of like, yeah, that gallon today Yamamoto next week for two stores. I think he might be two gallon would line up for. So Yamamoto's facing Philadelphia on Sunday Wednesday our use yellow Moto in Philly on Sunday. You can even win the game. So but I think it's just a tad early to know what you'll motorway, so I would not rank in top forty yet I mentioned Yamamoto with gallon earlier, just because neither of them was projected to be more than a quote safe back of the rotation guy. And I haven't seen anything to shift this for me. No way on top forty. I think he'd have to take the call Hendrix path, which could happen but he's not an extreme ground ball guy and it's a forty seven percent hard, contact rate so far. And I believe I mentioned on Monday show, the kala Hendrix was not hurt badly and with only a one star that was wrong. They now could be lengthy absence because of the shoulder injury. So if you wanna drop Hendrickson standard league, I think you probably could. Yeah. Which is a shame because I like how Hendrix, but, like look you only of roster spots. What is it three? So like three wait for cars Rasco, and you can't wait for Kyle Hendricks. These are top twenty thirty pitchers. Then. I mean, yeah, if you have to move on, and you got to move on just be aware, the guy hadn't used anything, add crisco, and get two months of greatness to Yamamoto and gallon, pretty much fit the juice. The orange guys from me right now. I think there could be something in there worth speculate. It's speculatively adding, but. We need more. We need more. Hi. What's this Spencer wants to know? If your opinion of high strikeout batters is now changing giving the era of baseball. He's thinking Scott King. Retypes. Yeah. I mean, I sat on Monday show doesn't agree, and that's fine. We need more evidence. We need, like three years of evidence, not three months. But like I said, before, like, pita Lonzo, he could he could strike out one hundred eighty times and still about two fifty fifty home runs that wouldn't have been possible five years ago. But in this era is possible can have a two eighty on base and hit forty home runs. Isn't that amazing? But yes, it is the same the version that is actually going to happen. I believe they're gonna have sub three hundred on base percentage is now Kingery is the lead of today's blog for me. And I basically just said, I think what he's doing is kind of legit. He's not a three hundred hitter he's like seventy five that are never walks but his chase rate is so improved. He's swing at the right pitches and he's barreling up. So he already has nine home runs last season in four times the as he had eight home runs. I think Kingery is gonna hit twenty two twenty four home runs. Steal ten bases. At a middle infield eligibility, top hundred player. So I think it's kind of Jit, but the batting average like he's batting third now which can't hurt. He's hitting him between Bryce Harper and Reese Hoskins. But like if he batted bore than to seventy five the rest of the way, I think I'd be surprised but I think the powers legit. He's not so layer or friend mill. But you could see Kingery hitting four five homers a month. Could you? I actually liked her projected line. It's a twenty one percent hard contact jumped for him. And by the way, I think I wrote this in his profile to that. I liked the batted ball distribution. The contact quality wasn't very good. So I'm with you on this. I think we ignore his rookie year. I done that in a lot in the past and you've said, that's ridiculous. But I do think you sometimes you just have to ignore a season when a guy so obviously, for months, I'm not gonna say mailing it in, but he just can't figure out what's wrong. I'm gonna fight the two labels here. That one I don't disagree with you on your original point about high K guys. I also I don't think it's fair to say that I just. The thing about the rookie years and how you evaluate the rookie season. I was willing to throw that to the side too. I like Scott King. Lot is a player, I think you I think you're more in on like two and three year records for players than I am. I think I'm more willing to throw out like a guy's obviously hurt for six months or two months or whatever it is. I'm more. I use my gut more and you use the typical evidence more. I think that's fair. That's that is fair to say. However, I must remind that when I look at three year track record and I do rely on those quite a bit and a lot on traditional projections. He has three years of projections, you're forgetting the lease and numbers. But like you and I disagree on people, maybe not Kingery so much now but we did a modesty for, for obvious completely different different reason. And that's part of this question, like minus K rate isn't the problem. It's as walk rate, but if he swings at the right pitches, Kingery swing at the right pitches, penalize barrels up everything he barrows everything, I think is the highest Barra. Wait. He in Vlad. It was heave latte. And yelich I think where the top three off baseball's fun. It's amazing what they're doing anyway. That's enough on Kingery mom to see I gotta point out that my objection to him is in addition to the walk rate, he misses a lot as a matter of. Fact, his swing and misread is greater this year than it was last year. So he's getting worse on that front. He swinging it more non strikes and yet he's still getting done. So I am starting to change and believe that guys do this can succeed. Just because I think that the baseball itself is creating higher. Hit quality rates are improving. Well, not the conduct rates the quality of contact rates. Look, and people think I'm not giving credit to the hitters for making changes. Of course, I can tell morte has changed. His launch angle. His approach everything Kingery same thing, give these guys credit Peter loans for barreling. Give him credit. Yeah. Same thing. But it's a golf ball. They're hitting with. So when a pitcher has a year like reuse or that kershaw's having again, or, or Garrett Cole striking everybody I'll give them credit as well. You can overcome this, but with a guy like I don't want to throw him under the bus, but the kid on the Indians, the nephew of former closer who's police act like you can. It's hard to get away with kind of average stuff now because when a hitter makes contact, it's doing things that didn't do five years ago. If you're not a strike pitcher. It's really hard to escape like shame Bieber has an amazing strike rate, and he might have forty home runs. Berlin to. Yeah. Like this is a new era. This is allowed now. Like I don't even know how that's going to translate like an are similar leagues. It's, it's incredible. With these home runs anyway. Right. It's all relative to the league's average, and that's the environment has changed. So we have to take that into our evaluations these players. But what Alonzo's doings extraordinary? It's just that in the environment. Maybe five or ten years ago, he'd be thirty to thirty five home or player that's still amazing. We would look at Alonzo Kingery Brandon Lau. A lot differently three four five years ago. All right. Let me what he might have still been successful. He might he might have, but it would have been a scarier to invest. Let me read something from our friends at light stream, are you looking for a way to save some extra money? This summer to his one start by paying less interest on your credit card balances refinance with a credit card consolidation loan from light stream. It's an easy way to save hundreds to thousands of dollars and lower your interest rate. There are actually no fees and you can even get your money as soon as the day you apply. 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I don't see how it can hit three thirty all season long. What was bad time looked at had to be like four hundred four nine he could to twenty the rest of the season legitimately, so but juicy orange he's gotten a hit and what five consecutive starts three home runs in the last four days for games Josette like crazy. It's an orange. It is an orange, like I do when you're looking at a catcher's maybe I catch and attend team. One catch league or in a two's catch league. Are you looking at guys like you tell me Norma's and Murphy, what a great platoon? The miners have gone both hitting forever and power, you're looking for a guy like McCain, who you know can't hit three thirty long but is doing it for now. Are you looking at the to start at second base yesterday? You know, he's going to hit better than he did the first three months. Like, what are you looking for out of a Castro where you're streaming? I'm usually leaning more towards the DO's. I want the guys who aren't going to hurt you. I think a void of bad performance at catcher is the most important thing and McCann's case he's exploiting kind of tough injury situations to the other men who play that position on his team. And kind of exploiting, the fact that he crushes lefties not walking against righties. That's one big problem. I think that a lot of that is coming from that side. So I'd streaming up against left handed pitchers. But in general have to lock in a guy I want I want to go with the lowest player, so juice, the orange today in three or four weeks from now on will be shocked. If people like McCann awful this week, should I get rid of them? The, the only four catchers I say, by the way, this is the order on the player raider. Yes. Money Grondahl has passed Gary Sanchez which I did not realize JT, real MU toes. Third Wilson betrayers for that it like you do not have to roster. Wilson Roma's of you don't want Molina pickup. Roberto realize we're borough Peres is the third most home runs a catch or this season. Roberto resume Indians that tells you all you need to know about the. Baseball because Bertel Peres not this this, this isn't who Roberto Perez as we're burger Peres there because he quote handles the pitching staff. Well and watching him he does handle the pitching staff. Well, and he's a he's a good catch, or it's just I, I people think I'm crazy to drop Posey, but do you see anything changing, I have Posey? It's maddening especially considering that he's so susceptible to the seven day concussion. I l stance which is real Shane that, that's what's going on. The productions not there. The powers gone, that's been gone for a while. You brought it up years ago. I think I don't know. It's nice to have one of those top four catchers. It's I'm not saying he hasn't had a hall of fame career he wanted three World Series but he is not helping your team this season move on from BUSTER Posey. Even if you're picking up jeans McCann Mitch Garber, I like Robinson Torino's fatally home it again yesterday. A lot of catchers to stream anyway. Yeah. I don't know. I think there's more risk by moving on from Posey to the wrong player. I do look BUSTER Posey is not gonna hit better than to seventy five the rest of the, and he's not gonna hit more than ten home runs the rest of the year. But, but we might. But that's not. I don't trust fatally at all. There's a better chance of batting to ten the rest of the your than posing. But that I used so then add Tom Murphy. Tom Murphy ever BUSTER Posey. Tom is not going to ten the rest of the year. I like Tom Murphy. I think that's a good that have L labor, my second catcher after real muka. I'm so mad. I let him go and tell wars I had to. I was on a roster crunch. And it was I knew it was a mistake that day I did. What are you doing labor in town? Still shot to win. I'm competitive but still fairly long shot from I. Okay. I'm not gonna win tau in les room and second. But it looks like it's going to be hard to move up. All right. What else Thomas wants to know it's crazy to consider playing Laureano consistently over, Lorenzo Cain. Interest is recommended six by six. Lori having a much better. The reser Cain twenty twenty threat doesn't walk. But even at three twenty on bass. It's better than canes. Look, Lorenzo Cain is a track record. Okay. And he was great last year. He's still basis. He's not doing it, and we're halfway through the season. I don't wanna wait any longer. I want Ramon. Laureano. I don't know which Thomas said is, is that Cavanaugh who sends wasn't him but? We've got the quiet editor watchdog says nothing. We've got Tom the intern who I hope is doing well done, in Florida, Tom, we've got Kavanagh who's supposed to host today's show. I think something happened. Got mixed. He wasn't allowed on maybe he should host next week. I'm not doing it but I think I get Tom. And by the way, I'm playing cavenaugh vampire this week, I have a lead. I've had a lead like every week for the last month, and I find a way to end up in a five. He's got yelich. That's why he's so scared. I would be too. He asked me on Twitter, so he leave. Yeah. And I didn't want to reply, but, like other people were like, what are you nuts? You're not gonna lose this guy. He's gonna last boys. Now, I'm going to blow this lead like I always do. But you are such a pessimist about your own team. I five I'll bet you the listeners will be behind. You are soja pessimist by your own team's, I'm more optimistic about your time and this is not pessimism. I'm not waiting this tune changes. If y'all joins team careful you'll ask me about labor. I just said, what send like a pessimistic thing. I still think there's a very realistic chance. I could win both leagues. Okay. I can't win out. I can win labor, but I need like van riper lose a couple of players. I've got vodka and Cain to run players just aren't, you know, going to keep going to help me much in the second half. And you know, it's hard to trade, it's hard to trade it only leagues. You know because half the league, there's only two teams of like seventy five in that Lee. We're both at, like ninety ninety five so like it's just not a whole lot of motivation to the teams to do something, that trade, the only thing is in that Entat's example, moving from ninety to one hundred fifteen is not as crazy shift as you'd expect over a two-month period. I've seen it done so many times, you're, but you need a guy like part of the reason I moved up in Iran whip because I Toronto nothing for two months, but that's not gonna get you need a JD Martinez, esque arizon- something to change, and it's hard to change it like even vampire, we don't see many trades because this agency and its head to head. So it's a little bit different. I just don't think even if I did win this week and got yell. It's just not enough time for me turn around and make the playoffs, you can still make the playoffs right? I can only top four out of over five hundred in that I believe what other questions real last one here coming from Bundy, he wants to know what's the one topping you will never ever put on top of a pizza, helping anybody in baseball. No. But sometimes life's more baseball. You. Really? That's life is more than baseball whip agai backing Tyler chat would going on eighteen months. Yeah. That's what I'm going with a little crazy. Maybe there should be a new reduce the cabinet next week low on producers. Well, like put peanut butter and a pizza. See that's not a traditional. Now that doesn't count. You can't I I won't touch anchovies. Have you ever tried Angeles? No. But I won't. Yeah, that's the first that comes to mind. I'm afraid to try it. I'm anti pineapple pizza. I hate that that Hawaiian pizza. I really, I don't have a proper you pro pineapple. Otherwise, I love pineapple, but you pizza. No taking off the pizza needed separate like I'm anti mush. Line, apple once and I was like, I try and I was like this is fine. This is good. Good for you. It is. But it's then Ely Turkey leg at every meal, dude. It's and the other thing, too, is that it's coupled with him. So I'm not a ham guy. You're a little bit of a ham, not a ham guy either. What do you like pizza, what are you when you order a pizza? What do you want? All right. So, so my love of pizzas is the weird one. I like the white broccoli pizza, or white spinach. Oh my God. You're over spinach. I'll give you that. Oh, it's amazing thicker thin pizza. Thick. Well, I don't actually like thin better than deep dish, though, was on. You. I need lasagna, just good. But I don't want excuse pizza. Is there ever a better indication racing time? This wasn't my question was, I chose it. I didn't Dylan bundy's fault. Let's play him. I mean, nobody asked about, you know, six coal play willing, Cal Hoon or. What other like Muslims, October the clock Sates, stop this show Keller starting twice next week, but figured out what Chris in a pizza. That's okay you started with the answers. Well, we are done for the week. And I think it's my watches ended for a while. So. I don't know what's happening next week, but ain't me, thanks so much. The car does a great job. We whip each other, but does a good job with the, the hash Browns and the producing. I think Tom carpenters, there, I don't know, Tristan, thank you so much, good friend, good co-producer with co host with me. I am Eric that is it. Goodbye. Have an awesome weekend. It was all yellow.

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Ep. 21: THE STRETCH  You down with OPS? Yes Yes, and Yes

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Ep. 21: THE STRETCH You down with OPS? Yes Yes, and Yes

"Woah to. It's ninety miles the threat. All right. Good afternoon baseball fans. Welcome to another episode of the stretch. I'm here with Ryan Ryan how're you doing over there? Hey doing good or good really happy to be here? And we got a fun one today. Yeah, we're gonna just yeah. We often in the regular episodes, if you listen to us regularly, which you might I don't know. You're listening to the stretch of road, you might listen to us. We, we often references to tick in hitting that we find to be both kind of fascinating and useful at something called P S now a lot of you that are heavy baseball fans will know what this is. But for some of you, I know there's some listeners are out there that don't, don't get into the stat head kind of stuff as much as you know, some of the other people do we just kind of wanted to explain what it is. And then kind of be dive in and talk about why it's such an important in interesting statistic to start with OB S stands. For on base. Plus, slugging so on bass is a percentage of how often a hitter reaches base safely. Right makes sense. So if you're thinking of it as a fan, it's basically whenever your favorite player. Gets a hit gets a walk or gets hit by a pitch. They have successfully reached base, you take that number and you divided by the total number of times they were at bats, plus walks plus hit by pitches, plus sacrifice flies. So basically every time they've reached safely divided by their total number of at bats, which will include their walks by pitching, their sacrifice flies or sacrifice Bunce any of that kind of stuff, why don't you tell them play at appearances playing appearances is the easy way to say, yeah, pretty much, and that's another way to say all of those all of those collectively. Right. Because it basically there's, I'm not sure that really played appearance covers everything, right? There is not a time you can get to the plate and not be covered on under that. So it's successful getting on base divided by how many times you actually got to the plate. If you want to tell the folks a little bit about slugging percentage. Go for it Ryan. Yeah. Slugging slugging percentage. Well, the complex way to explain it would be. It's total bases divided by bats total basis being all singles. Plus two times the number of doubles plus three times, the number triples, plus four times, a number home runs, which is your total bases divided by at bats. What I another way to think of it the way I kind of think about it is, it's like a batting average, but it's waited for, for with total basis row. Basically a homerun is weighted heavier triple as weighted heavier than like a single, and, you know, and so forth. So exact slugging percentage. Yeah, I. I've always thought about it in a simpler way. It's like I get credit for two. If I hit a double. So if I've got one at bat today, an I doubled on it, my, you know, slugging percentage is basically two point zero zero because it's two times one or two divided anyway, but that's basically what we're getting at. Yeah. It's, it's simpler than it sounds. Once you get into statistics a little bit, right? Batting average is simple. We already know what that is. But this is on base percentage plus slugging. So batting average plays a role in it. But if you're a guy that walks a lot, but doesn't hit, you know, get as many base hits, a great example, actually would be the current right fielder for the Philadelphia Phillies, right? One brace Harper who doesn't hit for a very high average is usually in the to forty two fifties? Right now as we speak today. He's had seasons in the past ruse in the three hundred. That's not what I'm getting at. But he gets on base a lot. He walks a lot, so his on base percentage is in the mid three, hundred's or point three five, oh or. Whatever it is. At this point, you add that to home, his slugging and that gets you. Yes, it's one of my favorite stats because it tells a story about how explosive player is right. If you're looking at, for instance, the twenty eighteen Chicago Cubs, I'm a brewers fan. So this is going to hurt to talk about a little bit. But somebody like havi by his who's yes every cub fans favorite cub. Well, not quite he had an opiates last year of eight one in twenty eighteen we're recording this, and twenty nineteen we wanted to be historically relevant for. So we're taking that season where the brewers and the cubs played game one sixty three and using it as an example, for some stats. So eighty one time of how did havi by as get there? Well, he had a batting average to ninety and his on base percentage was only three twenty six he's not a guy that walks a lot. But when he hit the ball, he hit hard of doubles. Triples home runs that kind of thing, it ended up to a big thirty four thirty four home runs that year yell forty doubles. So yeah, that. Ways outweighs the slugging percentage. So, yeah, I got that to five fifty four. And so with three twenty six five fifty four, you got eighty one it should be eighty. It must round up. So we're using baseball dash reference come if you take three to six plus five four you should have an even number. So they're taking the entire decimal point way out there. So how'd you buy as super explosive player, you know creates a lot of runs? He does it that way. If I what you talk about. Maybe somebody else on the cubs team that doesn't a little differently from twenty eighteen or maybe from history. What do you tell us about how you like to look at the stat what you think it is? Yeah. Well, I mean, I think in, in a bid of contrast, AVI, by would be someone like Chris Bryant, although he still has pretty decent slugging. But actually just looking at last year. Of course he was injured abet and didn't have as many plate appearances. He did have to seventy two batting average. But he had a three seventy four on base percentage for sixty slugging. So he had a higher obe- p. Than havi, but a lower slugging, you know, I think, historically, if you were to look at a couple, you know, one obvious one is Sammy Sosa who, of course, had a ridiculously high slugging percentage. He had he had a couple of home runs. Yeah. Maybe a few, but they move, you know, with hands the bat or some other things to enhance that. Yeah. Well, you know, and we'll probably talk a little bit about Ryan Braun as well. You might have. You might have one or two enhanced the numbers like the two thousand seven season. Head a one point zero zero four, but we don't know two thousand eleven we know he was a point nine nine four that season on opiates, which is a massive number. But yes, that was also the year. I believe that he got busted after the playoffs. So, yeah, yeah, but he had, you know, he's he had generally a not too bad. He Willion an okay OB actually kinda low considering his batting average. But some of those years or we're talking about Braun here or we talking about Braun. Okay. Dang about Braun okay for a second, you know, Sammy Sosa, you know, he had some years, well, you know, of course after he really broke out his his OBT went up. You know, he did you know, get just like Barry Bonds had the benefit of, of threat of homerun threat led to more intentional walks and things like that. Yes, but he posted somebody generally crazy. It was mostly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a few seasons there. He, we had four seasons in a row with over one thousand Sammy Sosa did. Yeah. And in my opinion to anything over eight hundred. Yeah. Anything over eight hundred is pretty solid. You get to eight fifty nine. You're talking about a very explosive player for sure and productive player. Well, you know, a really productive tonight. Yeah. There there's. Yeah. They're doing something very, very. Well, they're probably pleading some runs there or either. Yeah. Either driving runs in or or scoring Ron's run or the other. Yeah. Exactly. It's one or the other, what I would, you know, the comparison I was gonna use from twenty eighteen was Lorenzo Cain and Travis Shaw, so the Twenty-eight team bruised these are two key guys transa- hit thirty two. Home runs in twenty eighteen okay? Really, really solid player. He only batted two forty one his on base percentage was, you know, three forty five though, because of all the bombs and the doubles he had a slugging four eighty ended up with an opium. Very solid. Opium of eight twenty five Lorenzo Cain. Kind of the antecedent to that, right? He's more of the table center for the brewers in twenty teen. He was the leadoff man stole thirty some bags while thirty to be exact he only hit ten home runs. He has an opium of eight thirteen which is only point zero. Onto less than Travis Shaw. How does somebody do that when they only hit ten home runs? Well, it's funny you should ask his base percentage was fifty points higher than Travis. Shaw's. He was the table center. He took a lot of walks. He had a much better batting average. He was at a three await clip versus to forty one guy now was his slugging nearly as high. No. His job was to get on base and move and score runs. It's really anything over that eight hundred Mark you're talking about very useful player, you get over. Eight fifty usually talking about useful and explosive with power. You know, I thought Kane and Shaw were a great example of two totally different ways to get Opie up there. Yeah. And Kane someone like Kane on the cubs if we're using again two thousand eighteen numbers would be like Ben's over, you know, who only had nine home runs. But he had an eight seventeen Opie as Origo yet three three seventy eight on base percentage. But just four forty slugging. So he must have been a doubles machine very similar. Yeah. Exactly. That's yeah. Yeah. So that's those are a couple examples of some guys on our clubs from twenty eighteen that should be fairly recent memory explaining what Opie is and how it can be to totally different types of players excelling in this statistic. That's why I like I like it better than batting average. I like it better than slugging percentage on its own. Yeah, it tells a more thorough story you still got to go back to the previous numbers to really find out what that person's uses the analytics in baseball. I think it's a really cool stat. It's an it's a pretty decent one that you can give you an idea. I mean, you do need to look at other stats, get an idea of how that, you know as as rounded out. And, and sometimes you could look you know, if it's high slugging lot RBI's that kind of thing, it's like that kind of production versus the other or what have you, it, it is an interesting number. You know, I think I mentioned before it seemed and we've already mentioned a couple. And looking at, of course, the all time career and single season, it is it is a stat that sightly can be padded by, you know, performance enhancing. Anybody? That's pumping. Loda. Yeah. Anybody pumping out a boatload of home runs is going to have a bigger Opie than the Lorenzo canes of the world. So, yeah, if you do if you're enhanced. If you're enhanced and, and then it becomes a situation where, you know, basically, you're risking homerun every time in, in the intentional walks increase, or the unintentional intentional walks rate. You know the pitcher pitching around, you know, when those numbers go up, then you gotta be going up. And then when they when something does get Hong. It's a home run. While you're gonna have a massive Opie s and of course, looking at the leaderboard unless your name's Babe Ruth, you know, a lot of them seem to have had a chemical boosts. Yeah. Era, really steroid area really did kinda wreck a lot of statistics. I'm pretty pretty sad about that. It's kind of interesting, though, with the with the modern era now because I think, you know, I'm probably a little biased. But I think it's pretty safe to say looking at Christian yelich he's not on steroids. He had a one point zero zero zero last year. He's playing in a smaller ballpark. What did you say? Maybe. Maybe maybe. Yeah. Okay. You know, then there's there's, you know, stealing signs, I guess that might affect Opie as a little bit, too, but this is not. This is a stretch episode. If you wanna bring up what's going on? And his quote. All right. To ninety three with an old, by the way, as opium has over eight ninety on the road. So don't give me that fair. Okay. You had to bring it up. I just, you know, just wanted to your just a jerk. That's what. Okay. Let's look at some historic numbers. So we'll, you know looking at that, you know, I'm looking at the Bewers and prince fielder you know, is single season. Yes. Looks like he holds a number one spot. Number one two, as well as a career that is correct as well. Now, now career you know, it's interesting with prince fielder though, on on that, as Opie S is a number that I think, if you have a long career, and you do play into your latter years, generally, if there's some age issue, you know, you should degrade over time on there is going to be. Yeah. That you're going to see those, those numbers usually go down back to earth, a little bit. So sue. Prince fielder is a unique situation in that, you know, well and have as long of a career. Well, there's not only that, but this is I think this is based on just his numbers as a brewer. So one point zero one was his best season two thousand nine if you look at his career it's point nine to nine so nine twenty nine is an awesome, slugging percentage especially for career. He got traded arm. Sorry. He signed a big contract. In Detroit ended up going to Texas had a neck issue and retired at a young age really kind of sad story because he was a lot of fun to watch swing. The but so I know his career is career Opie s across all teams. He played on was eighty seven okay. And that includes still healthy. It's very healthy. But that includes some of the degradation, that was going on the end of the Detroit years is years when he was playing hurdle outs ROY. Ryan Braun career brewer is thought to eight ninety five opiates you can are you what you want about, you know, the steroids and things like that. You've got a guy on your side. You know Sammy Sosa who's got a pretty Godley number as well rights. And what is he's? He's shows up in the list quite a few times on base. You know, second in on base, plus slugging in two thousand one one point one seven four as far as single season. But you got hack Wilson nineteen thirty as number one had a one point one seven seven and Roger Hornsby nineteen twenty nine is, is number three directly number four, which is interesting. Yeah, two thousand five Ross Barnes hack Wilson again. Sammy sosa? Yes. I mean Sosas on their few times. Yeah. You know, like we mentioned, I mean, and that's that same with career Opie Sammy Sosas. Well, number two on their with so yeah. Nine twenty eight Wilson. Number one, though, with the one thousand woods you. So one point zero zero zero is the number one career for the cubs. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. That's an impressive. Well that's an impressive number for career. We're gonna talk about some of the greats here in a minute, too. I just did want to mention yelich did pump in the fifth best single season is a brewer in his first year last year, one point zero zero zero. So that's an a name to watch. He'll be hitting that list for the next few years, which is exciting. If you're Abreu fan, I expect heavy bias to heaven outside shot to crack that nine hundred Mark, I don't know if it will happen or not. He had a pretty pretty dang good one at eight one last year and he appears to be on pace for something better than that this year. So couple of guys the watch and we're talking about twenty nineteen. If you're hearing, the some point in the future. So we've covered some twenty nine hundred twenty eighteen cubs. What about the all time greats? What do we got for that? All time of all time. Yeah, you know, we don't really have cubs brewers. At least it doesn't matter though, this is an air. But but we gotta look at it. Career leaders. Career leaders we look at career leaders I sure I'm looking at the, the tip toe. Let's do three to one. I think everybody can guess who number one is. But, you know who would you think would be the number three guy all time? I'm looking at the list, they comes up as Lou Gilligan act career, I'm looking at this is the. I'm not on it on the baseball reference. So if I'm wrong, I blame with okay there, I okay, okay, but I'm seeing Lou Gehrig for number three. So one point zero seven ninety and a career tragically cut short by disease. The number two man Ted Williams. Of course. One point one, one five five. That is ridiculous. That's an eleven hundred zero P S. And then, of course and, and I got, you know, and I actually Lou Gehrig, actually played for seventeen years, which so is a pretty decent sample size. Yeah. I didn't mean like it was shortened. It was shortened Ted Williams played for nineteen years, and number one played for twenty two years. This is a twenty two year. Hope he s go ahead and give number one. Yep. A lot of us now, number one is berry, not bury its Babe Ruth, of course. They the babe when you start sinking your teeth into the Babe Ruth statistics, and you start looking and comparing on baseball reference, if you're ever bored, go to that website. It's fantastic. Oh, but we've gone, we've spent a couple hours on a phone call just looking at stupid. Babe Ruth statistics. But a one point one six three six career Opie. S E, L, I, twenty two years. That's twenty two years of playing which to sustain that level of PS two years. No. Obviously, the pitchers today are different. They take care of their bodies differently. We've talked about it with babe. Chapas owed. But yeah. To take care of himself better to in today's game. If you'd wanted to number four, this is where we get into the enhancement. Right. One Barry Bonds whose head size grew significantly. Yep. One point zero five one two. Yep. Twenty two year career and interestingly one through four all lefthanded batters. Oh, look at that there. Yeah. Which is pretty interesting. Well, that's something kind of fascinating. We can do in another stretch episode sometime and I do wanna get into thing you know, bury bonds versus Babe Ruth episode would be interesting, too, because Barry Bonds has some -absolutely outrageous numbers. I don't care what you say about it being the steroid era. He at a certain point. I can't think of it's pretty ridiculous. You can make. Especially looking at Opie as because of the because of the intentional walks which just got unbelievably out of hand, you look at two thousand four hundred twenty intentional well this because if you pitch to him, he had an on base percentage, it an on base percentage of six oh, nine what? Oh. Slugging percentage of eight twelve he had a one point four to two in Opie. And in two thousand four what is the career? What is the single season highest number is that it? I don't think season is yes. Two thousand four. Number one is berry bonds. He was thirty nine years old. And he had a one point four two one seven Opie s in the year two thousand four that's the all time single season leader. He also holds number two two thousand two one point three eight oh seven but number three is Babe Ruth when he was twenty five years old, nineteen twenty well, he had a one point three seven nine one, so that's the year was traded phila- SOX. The Yankees I'm not mistaken. I think nineteen nineteen because I think we got one hundred year anniversary of the trade don't as wasn't it nineteen nineteen. He was traded from the socks though. Yeah. The yanks. Yeah. We were time. Yup. Nineteen twenty was his first year with the with the Yankees. Wow. There are some amazing numbers out there. And these are things we wanna do every once in a while jump into the stretch episode. If you joy, this make sure you subscribe, get subscribed currently running a giveaway that will end in the middle of the season in twenty nineteen. If it's passed that time sorry watch for different giveaway. We'd like to do them. Go to the website get subscribed. It's ninety miles ninety miles ninety miles podcasts dot com and yeah, we'll, we'll keep doing these, these sort of shoot episodes and. Yeah. Hope you enjoyed this one on Opie as we'd like to talk about it a bit. It's a fun. Fun stat. I just thought I'd mentioned really quickly. Mike trout is number nine right now, while for career Opie S he's the highest active. He's got a point. Nine nine zero nine Opie s and Joey Votto, number nineteen. Eighteen point nine four nine four Opie s career, of course, they're active and. Yeah. They're the they're both in the top twenty on the active ones there. But anyways, let's very cool. Yeah. It's a we'll explore more stats and talk more about the stories that they tell but I think on base, plus slugging. It's a fantastic when it can talk about an explosive player. It can also talk about a table center. It's a it's kind of a fascinating one. The bigger the number though, usually the bigger the power. That's, that's kind of the case, but outside of that. I think that's that's enough. I think you know, go check out your favorite ballplayers. Oh, PSC where it sits. Where do they rank have some fun with it? It's a cool stat. Come at us on Twitter. I'm at Bruecker winning. Tell me who your favorite player is what they're opiates is. And why my guys all suck. Yes. That's what cubs fans, do they come at me. Tell me how much guys suck. I'm used to it. Yeah. Don't like it. Cubs fan. I'm I'm at wraps cubs win, but you might as well just go at brew winning alum. How bad the brewers are. You know, you could say item me but I'd rather you bug him. Full him. Bad tweet, go to go. Tell him what Christian yelich career? Rhodope yeses and Helen to shut up about it already. All right. I'm outta here. Are you done? Oh, yeah. All right. I'm all right. We'll talk to you later. Bye.

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Milwaukee Brewers Off-Season Special with Robert Murray (The Athletic) + NL West Top 5 Pitchers

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Milwaukee Brewers Off-Season Special with Robert Murray (The Athletic) + NL West Top 5 Pitchers

"Robert Murray joins me today to talk about the Milwaukee Brewers a team that was one game away from the World Series, Robert rights for the athletic MLB. So if you're in the market for some baseball stuff, check him out. Welcome. To painting corners, your weekly gas or all things baseball. Now. Here are your host Austin Hartsfield, and Dave quit cow scheme. All right. So we do have Robert Moore with us. Robert we're going to go through the brewers system. And we're gonna talk about who we can expect on twenty nineteen opening day and throughout the season restart catcher Judas got out of a little meeting with him, actually, Yaas Monte GRANDE doll. Yes. Many dole is now the starting catcher for the Milwaukee Brewers. How're you kind of feeling about that? And how it should go this year. Yeah. So for the brewers this was a guy that they went to the offseason, and they liked him a lot. And the only thing that really hurt their chances of signing him was his price tag. It was expected that he was getting signing a multi year deal where it's probably about fifteen or so million dollars per year. And they kept in contact with him and throughout the process. They. We're told by his mommy specifically, or like, he's specifically told them that Milwaukee was a place that he wanted to play and it was just about making a deal work. And in reality. They were able to make a deal done at one year eighteen point two five million dollars. And he's going to provide something that they have lacked for the last few. Jonathan Lukoil left, and that's an option behind the plate that can both one play. Really good defense and hit as well. And granola was also switch hitter you can hit for power and he's excited, and you mentioned this act multiple times today that he is going to be able to hit more home runs in walkie considering the right fuel is more homerun for friendly than Petco. Parker Dodger Stadium too. So credit cards have a lot of different options in the lineup with him because they could move them all over and having them be a switch hitter provides versatility as well. So from a lot of different aspects including defense to which is fantastic. I think this this is a signing that makes a lot of sense for the brewers especially considering that it's for one guaranteed season. I think it's a huge upgrade from what was there prior in November of the other guys? And yes money cut a lot of flak at the end of the year for his defense just because of the past balls in the playoffs, and you know, he had arced Austin Barnes breathing down his neck. I mean dodger fans Channing Austin at one point which is very strange to me considering. Ios. Money's done for that franchise at that position. When he was in LA, but he should be a huge upgrade. And we're going to go to first base. This is kind of like a like a tale of two people at my opinion. You have you have Eric themes who mean had a phenomenal last year? Not the not this year obvious not as good as last year. Then you have Hase's Aguilar who seems to be under control forever. And seems to be a big piece of this team. Yeah. It's funny. You mention Eric Fame's. Actually, so something that both Ken Rosenthal. Both heard is that same could be a trade piece. It could be expendable considering his salary is is relatively on the expensive side for twenty nineteen and considering the birds are going to one trip a little bit of money considering that garn dollars on board. He makes the most sense as a trade candidate. And there's another one Matt Albers as well who could make sense, and there's been rumors going around here that he could end up being the guy that's moved. But if we're going to focus on the first base position right now, the guy's get it be of saggier and last year, we really bust out onto the scene and played at a high level and a level. I don't think the brewers really antiquated being possible for him yet. He was hitting home runs and something that really isn't talked about with him often is ability to go to the opposite field. And that is something they put on display a lot in most are realized I believe with two strikes or two outs. One of those two. I can't remember specific. Which one, but either way Aguilar's probably gonna end up being the guy that gets most of the time they're in and whether it's themes or another option that they have on the roster that gets are that gets playing time at first base. I'm not sure, but Haza segula get out of beating the guy that really gets a lot of time there. So we kind of blue by him when we went through the catcher position kinda give me like the profile. What what Jake would Jacob Nottingham is going to be to this team. I mean, he's listed as a catcher and first baseman. Do you see him getting any time? Or is he going to be a guy that starts out in San Antonio? And kind of sits there for a minute. Yeah. I think it's it's smart to bring up Nottingham. And he's a guy that the brewers like and one point that was brought up at the press conference today that I did not really think about, but it makes a lot of sense is that the guy of has Grenell's caliber for one year on this team is going to allow Nottingham to one sit in continue to learn. But to also learns from grown doll, and I think you can learn how to call a game more. Properly on that saying he doesn't have that ability now. But when you have a guy like minded doll. You can always pick his brand that you have aircrafts Manny PINA there too. And I think Nottingham 'as private primarily going to start the season off in San Antonio, barring a trade of either aircrafts Pena, which could be entirely possible. But if there is one that stranded out, imagine, it'd be Kratz, but Nottingham is a guy that he can hit you can play good defenses while the pitchers in Milwaukee really high on him. They think he's got a bright future and his full energy to you should see a move around the clubhouse that guy eight probably has the most energy on the brewers roster and that saints something because he's he's just a lightning bug. And it's I think he's gonna end up having to future Milwaukee. I just don't think it's going to be this season. Right. So he has a future in the organization, which is awesome to hear. Let's continue to talk about somebody who has a feature on the organization Casten Hera. I mean, what can't you say about? This guy means. The number one prospect for this organization. He's going to probably play second base. I would imagine is he a guy that starts out in San Antonio. I mean, you have a guy like her non Perez and Spangenberg on the roster or does he start as the opening day starter for the Milwaukee Brewers? Yeah. David Stearns, are general managers is said that he will not be on the opening day roster this year, and they are going to be patient with them. It's it's unclear whether or not he's gonna start off in double or triple A, but his ability as a player is unique in the fact that his hitting is extremely well advanced for a player of his age. And I I mentioned yesterday and are different radio spot that I had a rival scouting director. Tell me that in all the years you've been watching players at the AA level. He's never seen a hitter at the at the level or the caliber of custody era that level and he was just blown away by his hitting. And then the only question Mark with him. Is is defense. And he really there's some people that believe that us not going to be a second baseman in the future. There's some people that believe that is future actually could be in the outfield or even as a designated hitter. But for the brewers automation at this point it would end up being at second base considering the need. But when Ryan Braun eventually comes off the books after the twenty twenty season, I believe I mean, there could be an option there to move him to the outfield, but I think his is future, Milwaukee if he stays we'll be at second base. And and going off to the point is mentioned, I do not believe he's going to be a trait. He said, I do not see any scenario in which the brewers trae custom hero. So who we think it is the opening day starter at second base? Is it her non Peres? I mean that seems to be likely option. Yeah. I would say it's earn on Peres at this point. Yeah. He's he's a guy that he people really don't know much about him. But last year when he played you provided a spark both offense and defensively. I'm not saying he's a guy you can comfortably start for one hundred and forty games. But if you need a spot start here, and there you can do a lot worse than aired on Peres. But I expect that bruised actually address the second. Specific before spring training gets you. That's that's definitely exciting, especially when you see a guy like, Dave my coast. Now, we're talking about the fact, you know, where would perfect spots be for guys, and we were going through the Burs, and, you know, thinking about you know, what fits here and DJ LeMay Houston to be the name that we thought. And of course, now he's a Yankee. So that ship has sailed. But like, I told you before we're both Red Sox fans, David I and you the re the Burs made a trade with the Red Sox a couple years ago. It seems like it might have been only a year ago for Tyler thornburg, and we gave up one of the most the loved Red Sox in all of Red Sox nation and Travis Shaw, and he has absolutely blossomed desert. Yeah. His his game has really taken on a whole new level here. And I think of all things that has happened in his career. I think the smooth transition that he had from third second base last year in the second half of the season. And in the postseason was one of the more surprising things. He he moved over gonna say seamlessly because there were some issues, and he he wasn't able to turn to the most effectively. But for the most part that transition for him was really, really smooth. And he really he didn't look like a liability out there. You actually look like he belonged, but this year unless they resign Mike Mushtaq as he was gonna end up being back at third base his his natural position. So I think he's going to beat a lot more comfortable there. But then from the offensive side of the thing he is another guy that can have for power in that lineup. And they they have a lot of those guys and wake on gall onboard. They have yet another one but Shaw is. A pure left handed hitter. He's read there with one of the he's he's right? There is a third baseman in terms of ofensive ability. He strikes out a little bit too much for some people's liking. But for for the most parties is one of the more solid third basement. And and I'm sure as a Red Sox fan, you're not exactly thrilled with that trade. But yeah, early worked out for the brewers definitely not thrilled especially with production or lack thereof from Tyler thornburg, health and otherwise. Yeah. Exactly thornburgh. I'm he he should be back. This you shouldn't. Yeah. They actually just resign him to to actually cheap deal. So that's pretty exciting that we finally get to see him pitch for more than twenty games. No doubt. Yeah. He's going to end up being a decent piece for him. If he can stay healthy. So help me out with Orlando arsia kinda give me the profile and him and what to expect from him. Yeah. So I'm going to start off at his defense because I think when you talk more Landau arsia that's exactly where you need to start. And his defense is probably I would say at this point of his career top five in baseball. He is an elite defender by every definition of the word. There's some place that he can pull off that are just ridiculously good. It was just as often. So it was holding them back from really taking that next step. And then you got to see it all started in Chicago for game one sixty three of the regular season when his office of game really took on a whole life. And he was he started driving the ball. He was hitting balls into gaps. He was his early in the season. He was a guy that he he would swing and you would ask yourself. What is he doing? And then. By the end of the year. He looked like he belonged at the plate. And I'm curious to see if he can make that I'm curious to see if you can bring that over for next year considering that they just got a new hitting coach went from Darnell Coles to Andy Hanes Hanes from the Chicago Cubs. So I'm curious to see if he can if he can bring that over. I'm not exactly the most often mystic, but he showed enough late in the season. That makes you wonder if it was sustainable, and you have the ability with him to be kind of patient because you still have him under control. I mean through our let's say till twenty twenty two so faces something you're allowed to have with him, especially when you have guys around and probably not going to be coming up as fast. I mean, you you probably won't see Bryce terrain until twenty twenty two which is X of the year that he that are finally gets out of our. But there's pieces around him and having the pop around him should protect him in. Allow him to hit better in this line of next year. I would think I would think so too. And the most thing I wanted to mention as well with Travis shots transition. A second base was Orlando CIA's defense in his range at shortstop made travel. Shaw's his role at second base lot easier, and so two shifts, and it really it should not be discounted. How important Orlando RICO was for the brewers defense being as good as it wasn't the infield. Even with a Camember the exact phrasing that one of the brewers called the last year, but it was something along the lines of an office of Lyman or an office of line infield. I should say literally they were so big. Yeah. No, they they were some big boys in there, and they ended up making it work and they came within one game of the World Series. I think one console deserves a lot of credit, but so too is Orlando ours. Yeah. For is defense. So let's before we before we kind of. Shift to the outfield or quick kind of tell me what the job that Craig counsel. Did is it different than what you've seen in years past with other managers or was it was it more like tactical? It was that's a really good question. And it's it's hard to describe exactly the word for the job that Craig counsel did last year. But I would use a word close to masterful. And he had to move around a lot of different options there with one the depth Annable pen, and to the depth that he had throughout the entire lineup, and it seemingly it was a different lineup day in and day out to maximize offenses potential against a specific pitcher and there'd be one day that travel shot. It'd be batting third in the next year be batting seventh and the only two real constants in a lineup were at wanted to with Renzo Canaan Christian yelich after that it was all hands on deck, and you really did not know what to expect coming into the day. But I think is work with the bullpen. And I think you can credit this to one Derrick Johnson who ended up leaving. For the Cincinnati Reds in a lateral move for the pitching coach job as well. As the analytics department with Milwaukee, and that's up and they really delve into in terms of the bullpen, and it really it started with Corbin Bernsen, Brandon Woodruff in Woodruff was a guy that was famously known for the opener and in other scenarios in which they used him creatively. And he ended up pitching four five six innings and being really effective. And then Corbin burns to his ability to come out of the bullpen as rookie prior to that point. He only had about three years of pitching experience in the here. He was pitching in the NFC S mowing down the dodgers lineup or or taking down the Colorado, rocky lab too. I thought the job that he did really wasn't press of and you you can go if we had a lot more time here, I could go even more in depth. But the job he did all around was really really good. And I know some people disagree. But. When you really study it, and when you get to see it from in person on a daily basis, it really is an impressive job, I cry counsel. Yeah. And at the end of the year, I was to the point to where I was like, I don't even think that there's a question who the manager of the year is he did such a good job. I mean, apparently I've heard that it was his idea to move Travis from third to second. So that they could fit everybody and basically help need on this team. And you know, not every manager makes that move. No it. I'm trying to figure out a word this properly. But it it takes a a set of stones to do that. And he could easily been proven way wrong with that. But he won had a data and to. Yeah. The support from both Sean his teammates to pull off. So he ended up doing it in lo and behold it worked out very well for the most part, and he deserves credit for that. This one should be pretty quick. We're gonna talk about the outfield. Ryan Braun is still on this team one of the few holdovers from the two thousands at this point. And actually, I think the only hold over probably right? Yeah. He was the only guy remaining from their last playoff team. She's well he's still on the roster, but you had two additions to this team from the offseason last year. You had Lorenzo Cain patrolling centerfield who's actually under a pretty good contract, in my opinion, at least only never making more than seventy million dollars. But the best contract on this entire roster outside of probably. Hater is. I mean, it's Christian yelich MVP Christian yelich to do ever think prior to the part of the offseason last prior to the season this year that Christian yelich could be the MVP this year. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think we also have come nod in all seriousness, I was huge Christian yelich fan when he was in Miami. And when the brewers acquired him, I was extremely curious to see the package in return and lo and behold, it featured Lewis Brinson at the top and assigned d as and and a few others or as one pitcher in there. I can't remember the specific name off the top of my head. But we're gonna start off at Brinson here. When I saw the Princeton was in it, it made a lot of different amid a lot of sense in the fact that there was a wide belief in the scouting community that he was more of an athlete, and you was baseball player. And there was some doubts whether or not you would actually be able to put together and for the most part so far that has been proof. Even to be correct. I'm not saying that he can't just because you never want to count on a guy like that who so supremely talented and more physically gifted than most people on this earth, but Christian yelich is by all the as I mentioned before with other pieces on the Burs roster elite by every sense of the word. He is a guy that is a franchise changing player. And that is the exact kind of package of the exact kind of player that you want in the fact that one is really good defensively. I don't think that people really look into that with him. I know he's got negative defensive ratings. But when you see him on a daily basis, he's not a bad defender. And then when you talk about his offense of production. He can hit for power his his batting practices are a sight to behold, and this might sound crazy on the surface. But I had a lot of play early players, including aircrafts told me that it was like. Watching each euro in the sense that he was so consistent and hitting the ball further than anybody else in batting practice. And he was able to translate it to the field. And he was able to turn it into one of the best seasons in brewers history and is success. Like that sustainable, I'm not going to say at that level because that would be pretty hard. I don't think. It would be very tough for him to do that. But at the same time, I think he can be a franchise caliber player for a long long time. And you got to remember is in his early twenties. And he's still going still learning his body, and he's still growing into it as well. So I think the arrows gonna continue to point out three he's gonna put up the same numbers. But I think in other aspects of his game he's going to improve Asia's going to be better and better and better which is scary thought for the rest of the league with so much constant whizzing around there. There's only one storytelling platform that helps you keep calm, informed, and inspired flip board. Flipped lord. Curates the world's story. So you can be smarter in your work live and play. Choose from thousands of topics to personalize your foot board and get the latest and the best stories from publishers and experts deliver to you twenty four seven feel like me you like things simple. Try to keep everything. In one spot, flip board is the perfect place for you because you can save with the touch of a button, and you can set your set your likes dislikes. So that shows up get started at. Football dot com. That's flip board dot com. So when I saw that trade the first thing that I thought of was they basically took Lewis Brinson in what they wanted him to be took Brinson and D as in a couple in a pitcher and made got Christian yelich for a lot of years, by the way. It's it's a long con-. He's still under contract for a while. But you took what you wanted Brinson to be in win got it. You got Christian yelich back who basically is top. He was MVP. Like, let's put it that way. I don't even have to say top anything. He was the National League MVP. He can put the ball where everyone's just like you said, the each row comparison is awesome, in my opinion. And he like you said franchise changer. He adds an element to that to this lineup that they didn't have four. There was never a guy on this roster in my opinion that could literally just basically pick a field and put it there, and he adds everything to this team. And I think that was a big boost it was and I can tell you. There is no way the. Brewers would get where they were without Christian yelich. And when they had to pull off that move, David Stearns general manager ended up going to the ownership and said, this is what we wanna do. And we're not gonna only just get this guy. But we're going to get Lorenzo Cain. And when when you make that kind of move for gala Christian yelich, you have to weigh the factor of him having proven big league success versus prospects. No Brinson, Ed some major league experience, but really not too much in prospects for the most part are unknown. While yelich is a guy that's proven that he can be effective at the big league level. And I think that was a move that when they considered all factors was one that they needed to make and for one year, and I think for a lot longer David Stearns is going to be called the general manager that really changed baseball in Milwaukee for a long long time. So we're gonna talk about Lorenzo Cain here in a second. But we're going to kind of deep dive into prospects. If you had to if you had to pick your favorite three outfield prospects in the system, the number one guy that I'm really high on for the brewers would be Corey Ray. He's a guy that as speed in the field. He doesn't exactly have the strongest arm, but he's got upset with his bat. And he's a guy that debris who's in some parts are really high on. And I know that they've had guys or they've had other teams call about him, and he's been rumored in a possible package for Allie, Madison Bumgarner, and from all the things I can gather Bumgarner is not going to end up in Milwaukee. While he's a guy that could make sense because they could really use a top of the rotation arm. I don't think of Bumgarner type is going to be really in their budget at this point. But yeah, I I would say that core raise the number one guy for for me in that firm system. And then I would say the other one would be Tristan lutts. He is a guy. Why that is only twenty years old? And I believe us about six three to ten in that range. And yeah, he's a big boy. He's. I believe he was drafted in two thousand seventeen than wanna sit nails it it. Oh did. I okay. Sweet. Yeah. I'm usually not good with years. But he's a guy that he's got power. And he's got a good arm as well. But the only real concern with him as he strikes out a lot. And I believe if we're going to go with numbers here. I'll say one hundred and forty strikeouts last year. I was on his ship one thirty nine year kill it. Okay. Now, I'm doing real well at this point. So I'm happy with myself. But he's a guy that some people are really high on. And he could also be a trade bait if they don't wanna move a guy like Corey Ray their farm system are released their top thirty is loaded with outfielders, and they have a lot of different flexibility there. So for really looking at their two top outfield prospects, I would say it would be in interest in lots. Then you you we we just talked about Lorenzo Cain a second ago as like I said a Red Sox fan. We look at Lorenzo Cain as Jackie. Junior with a bat if Lorenzo Cain the way Lorenzo Cain patrol centerfield. You don't even have to worry about your left and right fielders in what they do. He patrols so much ground especially in that ballpark to where it's it's like a you become used to it. You you watch it so many times that it's like, oh Lorenzo Cain made that play. That's cool. Yeah. And it's it's funny is I've seen a lot of the Kansas City Royals writers like anti McCullough Ralston Dodd, and and plenty others that have covered that team. Mention the fact how much they took his defense for granted. And how much fun it was to watch a daily basis. So when I get to watch Lorenzo Cain patrol the outfield. It is it's a it's a joy to watch considering how easy he makes it look. And when he first started off in terms of a baseball player was hitting. He was not very good. It took a lot of work in in Ned Jooste said it was a believe in a rust in story that it was his swing was ugly. And you really didn't know how he would be able to make an impact while first off it started with his glove, and then it transitioned into a sneaky good hitter. And he's got the ability. You can see him doing batting practice. I mentioned before how Christian yelich can hit the hit the ball five hundred feet. Like, no problem, Lorenzo Cain. Pride is not at a baseball further than two hundred fifty feet, and he just tries to go the other way with it. And he just tries to hit it in all different sorts of angles is really unique. And I've known Craig counsel is spoken about it too. And it's just it's so unique yet, it makes so much sense considering how Lorenzo Cain is as a player. And I think that was a really really good son, even though Christian yelich fairly overshadows it. So we're gonna get starting pitching here in a second. Just because I know starting pitching is one of the when I look at the roster at least it seems to be one of the bigger holes. Let's talk about my favorite acquisition in the entire offseason. So far. By any team? And I know this is gonna sound really weird that Alexander Claudio deal is amazing. The fact that you didn't have to give up that much to get a reliever like that. And to basically bolster this bullpen, even more is incredible. Yeah. So when the deal was initially made we knew that he was ineffective reliever. And last year. It really wasn't that successful for him. And David Stern says it was a lot of balls finding holes in the infield. And when you look at the numbers, I mean that backs it up there is mother stats are really kinda threw a little damper on that. But he is a guy brewers are clearly high on when you surrender pick that'll be in about the forty number forty overall range. There's clearly reason why they're optimistic and he's a guy that he does not throw very hard at all. He throws in the mid eighties. And he is the ideal complement to Josh Hader, considering the contradictory styles while hater throat. In the mid nineties mid to upper nineties, I should say Heathrow's that soft. It's a really good mix. And I think the bruise really thought that one through and they kind of they bought low on him. And I think this that was a a really smart move by David Stearns in the front office. Well, that's that's the guy that you can buy low on just because the fact that nobody else seemed to be looking at him. And I think the same is going to be said for another Texas reliever and Jose Leclerc later in the season. But we normally talk seven eight nine with bullpens. But I don't think that that would do this bullpen any Justice because it is loaded top to bottom. I mean, you know, everybody talked about the Oakland bullpen last year. And how good that was after the trade deadline. I would take over ending. Yeah. And I would not blame you. I'm gonna mention there. Seven eight nine guys, even though you said you weren't going to, but they're seven eight nine of either Josh Hader, cork naval or Jeremy Jeffress in various different orders because he them all over the place was really really good. And I know they had different struggles with them last year with Jeffers struggling in the playoffs. And I believe a huge reason for that was the fact that he just got tired in in overworked and uncork enable in the mid season was sent down to AAA. And then when he returned he was flat out awesome. But the thing is they had the depth last year. And they're going to be losing two of those guys brand Woodruff in corporate burns be quarter both likely going to the starting rotation. So they ended up Ling at bringing in as you mentioned before Alex Claudio, and then Bobby wall from the Mets, and he might not start off in the major leagues he might. Start off in triple a where he did really well for the Mets last year. But he's a guy that brewers are really high on and his strikeout rate is really really good. I believe struck about Schroeck out about fifteen sixteen batters every nine innings, and he's a guy that they believe can be a difference maker if you channel his command issues, and that's going to be the big issue with them. But from a seven eight nine standpoint and from other standpoints as well with the bullpen. I think there are going to be in very good shape. Always gotta give us out anybody that went to Texas cork, enable obviously Texas Longhorn always excited to watch him. I got I got to. I got I have got to have you. At least put into words the season. Josh hater had. I don't think I've ever seen a better season from reliever, and he had a little controversy in there too. And he's still came back and dominated. Yeah. That was that entire the all star game situation. The unfortunate one happened, right? As we started off in the beat. And that was my first restored is that I had to cover which was not exactly great. But the way the teammates rally around hater in truly believed that he was a changed person was unique. I'm not saying what he did was right? I'm not saying what he said was was correct. I think it was. It was very hurtful in very sad. What he said. But from his ability to dominate on the mound. There was not a hitter really besides Anthony Rizzo that could touch. Him. It was basically when a hitter walked up to the plate against Josh hater, you you did not ask whether or not this guy was going to get a hit. You were asking yourself. Okay. How many pitches is gonna take for this strike out? And that is one of the very few times of ever really thought that yet it was for the most part had held true. And he's ten he's been really really really good. And as you mentioned earlier in this. He's under contract cheaply. And he's just the brewers window right now with guys Christian yelich in hater in other players signed cheaply their windows gonna be off for quite a while. It's the biggest window in the National League in my opinion. You know, and you you you're getting it at the exact right time because I think we at least for people scouts and everything else. We think this Padres windows gonna start around twenty twenty two and that'll that'll I'm sure they'll go back and forth for years to come. But hater, in my opinion, was a guy that if you had MLB. TV? And you heard that he was on the mound. You had to flip over to the Burs game. He was absolute must see TV because he just blew people by and he was only in there for like innings at a time. And then he course, he infamously had the the huge game where he seemed like he struck out a million in one appearance, but I I love watching ater pitch. Yeah. He's he's a guy that and I mean, I don't have to considering that I like cover the brewers. But if I had to pay to go to a game, and I had to choose which one and I knew Josh air was as fact going to be pitching that game. I would go and watch that game. Just because I think hitter is one of the few pitchers relief pitchers. I should say that would pay to go watch pitch because he's that good. It's so hard to find guys like that. When you're reliever, that's like, hey, you know, watch this. But he's got it. Let's go to starting pitching in will finish off with this kind of help me out with the starting pitching. It's kind of a island of misfit toys. It seems like yeah. It's besides the the the second base position. I would say this is probably one of the more. Big or it's got more question marks than than other aspects of this team in that mud saying that doesn't have the town because it certainly does the only reason that has question Marx's because these guys for the most part are unproven starters, and they are scheduled going with at least three guys who are going to be in their first or second year Corbin burns is going to be moving to the rotation that it was a hundred percent happening. Brian Woodrow, he was really good in in the postseason last year pitching in either Ford five six innings, and then FREDDY Peralta, who's another young guy. They ended up getting the trade from for Adam Lind in Seattle. And it's turned out to be one of the best deals or most. It was one of the better under the radar deals at Stearns mate. And then you also have Jimmy Nelson returning from injury in whether to be seen if you can return in the bullpen or rotation or if he could even return one hundred percent healthy, and there's optimism from him in separate. He's going to be able to do. So it would not shock me. If the brewers just so they can possibly maximize as window of contention looked to bring in Wade Miley. If the market is not satisfactory to what he's seeking. And that would not shock me considering the that he ended up having to settle for a minor league deal last year. And there could be some teams at believed that his last year was a fluke. I'm not saying that was because his he was one of the more surprising arms last year for the brewers in considering how effective it was. He added he added some pitches in the added some different little tweaks to it that really allowed him to be effective. So as the birds are able to bring him back. I think that'd be a huge victory in their in their back pocket, but I don't necessarily think that is the most necessary move considering that all works out. And it's a big if considering how many pieces are with as I said before with Woodruff. Peralta burns and Nelson. If they can I'll return and be productive starters at in good shape. Yeah. And in a time to where everybody seems to be misreading their market, whether it'd be Mike miss dacas last year or Manny Machado, trying to basically blow himself up and think that he's worth three hundred fifty million. And now it's gonna wind up being around broadly to fifty to eighty I wouldn't be surprised if Wade Miley signs for Tepe, you know, and why wouldn't you come back to a place that you had success? Yeah. And I think he would love it. I believe they mutual interest between both sides, and the only thing that I can see possibly, and I'm Amador disc-. I'm gonna put a huge disclaimer on this possibly see keeping mile out of Milwaukee would be the fact that they changed pitching coaches and with Johnson going to Cincinnati as mentioned before and having Chris hook comeback because both with Miley Johnson, those get along very well. L, and he is widely credited for revitalizing revamping mile his career. So I could see that possibly being a reason. But I think for the most part with the amount of the roster. That's returning in how well that he's fit with his team either way my comeback here in a heartbeat. So give me one name in this Burs system, pitching wise that you're excited about oh gosh. That's the thing is they really at this point. Besides the young guys that with with Corbin burns with Peralta and Woodrow, I don't think they have anyone that has a decent shot of making an impact this year. But if I had to go with one arm it would end up being a guy like Zac Brown. And he is a guy that is similar in some aspects to Corbin Bernsen, I know those to talk quite a bit and they're pretty friendly. But Zac Brown is a guy that they are very very very high on. He's got a really good fastball and above average curveball as well. And I believe the cubs drafted him in the thirty eighth round last year. And he was just a guy that continue to get better. And the Bruce ended up giving him a bottle four hundred thousand dollars signing bonus after the twenty sixteen draft. And he is a guy that is is continuing to develop is getting better. I don't know necessarily whether or not us going to make an impact this year. But I think in future seasons. He's got a shot to be I I don't want to say Corbin burns potential or anything. But I think he has a shot to be pretty effective pitcher with his team. So this isn't a team that I would think would be chasing starting pitching. Like big starting pitchers of his all the bigwigs are out of this place. But no chance Dallas Kyko ones up in Milwaukee. Right. Yeah. I would say extremely unlikely. I don't think they're going to be actively seeking to give out a a lengthy lucrative multi year contract to guy like Dallas or any of these guys. Yeah, you're not the nets or the angels. You don't dispense. Stupid money or. Yeah. Same with the Phillies to they're going to be spending some stupid. Oh, yeah. That was a quote that was the quote of the year right there. Yeah. No. I if I was a reporter that got that one. I would have been doing some jumping jacks. All right. Tell the public where they can find you and kind of what you've got going on. Yeah. So you can follow me on Twitter at by Robert Murray, and you can find me on the dot com. I cover the brewers and in also on Twitter. I do a lot of different national coverage in a report sanding, and trades and all sorts of good stuff. And I have a a lot of good. I have a lot of fun with that. So if you're interested in that kind of stuff feel free to follow me on Twitter. So I think we're gonna have a lot of names at the same rate when we come down to this. I have at number one. I actually have a breakout star. It takes a lot of talent a lot of stuff to have a lower era Coors than you do on the road cow free number one for me. Twenty eighteen star Waqar Bieler number two Clayton Kershaw three Madison. Bumgarner number four and Kirby Yates coming in at number five from San Diego a little bit of an honorable mention to analyst newbie, Luke weavers Grinky and then kenley Jansen. That's a that's a solid list in the bottom. There is a little surprising either. I didn't have Caribbean. Mine. We have a similar one though I've walked Bill number one. I mean, the kids just nasties twenty four years old. He throws hundred miles an hour. He's got devastating. You know? I'll I'll I'll say in quotes off speed stuff because he's still throws a ninety. You know is movement. Sick. He's like twenty four years old. Like, I was saying he's going to be around for a long time. He's going to be the next Kershaw when asked her Shaw gets older. So he's number one. Number two. Kyle Freeland the kids in absolute stud. He does not get rattled. That's one of my favorite things about him. He could give up a leadoff home runs and strike up next. Twenty doesn't care. He pitched excellent in the playoffs. He in the wildcard game. Specifically, he does have a lower Yarra at home, of course field which is almost impossible compared to his away. So that's why haven't number two number three. Clayton Kershaw is a legend. He's a hall of fame pitcher. He's arguably the best dodgers digital time. Obviously co. Faxes there. But he's he's unbelievable. Especially doing in today's day and age. So I'm always going to have in my top three number four is teammate. It's kenley Jansen yellow been off year this year. I mean when your heart is all messed up, and you're out hospital procedures that's going to happen. But when he came back he was strong out. I'll take the playoffs out are they gonna sprinting a precedent? How it was able to battle all that. It was end to come in any came back. Then he then he got off it again. He wasn't the then he came back again in the dodgers were a mess without him. They were like one in eight at one point in a ton of Ben problems like four blown saves on row any really anchored it down. So having him at four the only reliever there for majors because of how much of the study is number five split. It's got Zack Ranki who is Mr. every other year. It seems like every year is all star year in they kinda struggles here in there and mad bull who I mean a couple of years ago. You would say he was better than Kershaw as the best pitcher in the world clutch. Yes. Ho season. Yes. Having trouble staying. On the field right now. So I got him at five. Well, you guys have your notes in front of you. Well, yeah, we're we're at home or at work. So yeah. Well, you know, when you're when you're dealing with time zones. It's kind of tough to you know. Take it easy. That's partially my fault. I assume everyone's on the Pacific, you know, on my time zone wherever I might be living, and that's like three different time zones, and you know, three different times of the year. So, you know, it's always different. But okay. So I think number one I think we kind of agreed is Walker. Bueller? Guys. Just even time at a Vanderbilt, you know, he was just absolutely incredible. So he's a he's for sure number one definitely twenty nine going to be a good year for him. You know, and I think on my number two is gonna be. Is got to be a mad bomb. I think he's got to make a case for himself this year. And and again, I I'm making my list based on what we should expect them twenty nineteen. And I think you're gonna see a Hungary, Madison. Bumgarner to to either. Maybe put the giants back on the map to where you know. Maybe he shred up trade deadline, the make some moves, you know, two. Maybe sure up. Sure up whatever they might be missing. But I just don't see them being a a postseason team. But they got they got a lot of good talent. They got a lot of veteran talent. And so I think mad bombs gonna come out hungry. He's gonna have a good year three. I mean, a kenley Jansen. I mean, you guys. I mean, you pointed it out was. You went through, you know, all his heart stuff and was on the DL off the deal. And it just was he was always dealing with something and even at his best. It wasn't his elite best. And I just think when all his health is good hearts good. Everything's good. He's gonna be he's he's one of the elite pitchers in a back end of a rotation of any of any team in the league. So he's definitely got my three four Clayton Kershaw. Yeah. Clayton kershaw. I mean, he's no. Yeah. Yeah. And and I'm not knocking him. He should be a one two three guy. I absolutely. I just think in my list, I think he just lived down because it's I'm going off expectation for twenty nineteen and he's just one of those guys. That's always consistent always pretty much there. Even when he's coming off, the D L or or whatever whatever he's got going on. He's just he's just that consistent pitcher that that consistent ace in your rotation. And and I I just you just can't get more reliable than Clayton Kershaw. And then when he hit into the postseason, you know, he found success these this past postseason. So who knows maybe he actually comes out, you know, hungry like mad bomb and gets a ring for the dodgers. And and kinda. No, it's kinda put that team on back with locker aiding his side. And I think that will be good. And then my number five for sure I gotta I gotta represent my my my other duck here, Tyler Anderson. I don't think his contribution. That Coors field are. As notified as they should not, you know, it's graveyard for pitchers, and he kinda gets lost in that. But he's very solid man young guy. And he just said a former doctor who knows what he's doing just like Vanderbilt gas produced. Good schools. Certain baseball schools are better than others in going. It was good. I mean, MandA belts. You know, one of the top if not the top. Yeah. And I think that might be a my only bias pick of all the pictures I've chosen thus far. But I honestly think you know, the with his funky delivery to the way he's pitched at Coors field, but even more so away from Coors field. As a three four guy in a rotation. Like, he's not even the best guy the rotation. And they're still in the hunt for the playoffs the past three years with with him on the back end of that bullpen. So he's for sure solid three four guy. You know at times, he's a one two guy. You know, he goes through, you know, the mid months really, strong, generally, if you look at his numbers, but I just I just think he's he's he should be more noted for that Colorado starting rotation than than than he gets credit for because he is he's an absolute work animal is his workhorse and he up innings for that for that Rockies team. And so I think that's I think you expect a lot of good things from him in twenty nine as well. You know moving forward. So. Yeah. I mean, he's a solid tech in good explanation because I was gonna ask why you picked him and not even on the bias far to solve pick. But awesome. How how come Kirby gates? I mean, there's a lot of big names is the vision. A lot of veteran names. You look at the mad bums grant keys, jinxing Kershaw, them wise. Scurvy Yates, your number five in in in a pretty competitive division. But he competitive division. You know? I mean, I basically right for the Padres at this point. And so I get a lot of Kirby Yates. What we're what I'm doing? With Kirby aids is I'm putting him out there. Because I know he's going to be a target at the deadline this year. He's not going to retrieve the same stuff that Brad handed last year. But still had an excellent year was still great for the Padres organization. I think that he was the most valuable pitcher on that entire roster last year. Well, what if what if be Padres end up going to get Machado or getting a big name superstar? And now they're looking to compete. You know, that's another mess. Another valuable PCH is just such a good piece to have on your roster. I don't even know if he's going to be a trade deadline piece. You know, 'cause I don't know which way the Audrey is are gonna finish out this this off season, you know. Yeah. This all season is interesting because the big fish are still in the market with Machado in Harper. And with Harper having rumors to you know, you know, in one team in Philadelphia Machado had some rumors at two for a little bit. But it looks like, you know, Harper over Manu there with the Padres. They have a couple of things they've been linked to Machado recently. They are that mystery teen or some say they are. And I think the other side of it is you know, if they will get Chano they attach he's coming up. And then all these thoughts. The rumor recently has been Mahia four J T real Nudo. That's a good straight. Yeah. It's. A good giant. If you want to win now too good trait because you have a guy in real needle for this year next year, if you if you can extend them great, and then all of a sudden, it's like while they got real new they got Manny, they got tattoos. They have become interest to players to players on that on that Padres team. Completely changed the outlook of their season and a in a very competitive division because the Debashish are going to be a little bit down this year. You know, we're not sure what we're gonna get from Robbie Ray. Or or any of the guys I need to step up even cranky for twenty nineteen. You know, we'll we'll see what we get out of them. But I just think they can divisions already coming from petted of enough with you know, with the dodgers in the in the Rockies. So you know in the giants might be a team. That's just going to be sneaky good. So we'll we'll see what happens. I just think if the Padres go and get rail mood to from from Miami. I honestly think they should go get Machado and they're that secret team. And I think Machado to San Diego kind of open. Nhs opens the door for maybe some other guys that have fear to play knob ballpark. So maybe maybe if they signed Machado they can sign a maybe Google or something to sure up that rotation and bam now you've got a contender team out of the Padres. That might have just came out of nowhere last minute in the offseason eleven all stars with some of those names on it. But not actual nineteen. And that's all I think we'll be good business. Nodal slack. We have an injury like, you know, injuries. You sort of slow coming back. Not stay healthy is just get back into swimming. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. His spring training essentially is is extended. Like, you say that's what I like to say. When guys get her up themselves. You know, the beginning part of the year longer. They just a longer road to recovery. And and I think end of the year you saw kinda were mad bomb. Definitely sat. So yeah, exactly. There's one name on my list that's not on y'all's Lewis. And he's not even on my top five is more mile. Honorable mentions. Dave knows this. I'm a huge, Luke Weaver guy. I think Luke has awesome stuff Weaver. He's I do's got great stuff. I think it changes scenery not being in Saint Louis to where you have all this pressure on you at all times being in that market where you have guys that have come through like Chris carpenter. Adam wainwright. You had a guy like Michael start up and have a great year this year. You also have flame thrower, Jordan, Hicks piney. There's no longer that. You can learn from that Grinky, and you can have an awesome year this year. I think Luke's going to excel in Arizona this year. Yeah. I agree. I think Luke is is not only just a good good person off the field. I had the luxury to play with him on the collegiate team team team USA. So I mean, he's just got a good head on his shoulders guy works, you know, works at his tail off. And yeah, he's got leads stuff. You know? I mean, when he first came up everyone was trying to blow away, you know, him been a little bit under size to the main mainstream media. I guess you could say and him being able to to throw the cover off the ball and be able to spend it the way he does. Diamond bass got a lot of good value. And so we'll we'll see here. I think I think the grantee mentor ship might help. But I don't know how much mentor ship. You know, a lot of guys like drinking have who are coming off maybe down here and might be a little bit more focused on himself. But he might be a good guy to watch, you know, spring training, you know, his work ethic and stuff. So there's always something you can pick up on those veteran guys for sure so. Yeah. I mean, you can always you can always learn from afar or even if it's maybe not in their face some guys at the silent leaders. I mean, anyone this played sports knows that sometimes the best player team. Maybe isn't the most local player on your team. Ryan Zack rinky doesn't strike me as the most vocal guy in the world. But lead, by example, type person. I mean, I mean cola hockey reference way Patrice Bergeron, you know, better. I mean the best defensive forward league. No doubt, you know. And you know, it's very silent foot lead. By example, weren't that? They can just you know, how hard you work in guys can do that. And I know that being a younger guy on world younger here. I mean goal. I'm sure you're going to be, you know, watching from a foreign tickets in those dudes, absolutely, absolutely. And that's what I'm saying is I I'm kinda referencing a little bit into insight. What I might do is. You know, I'm an be, you know, ear to ear with, you know, say Aaron Aaron Ola, but you know, I can watch from far what how he goes about his business and stuff. So I think, you know, just being, you know, a bigly camp with with the guys like with, you know, the have the stature that. Lanky does I think that's just gonna pay a lot? They off a lot watching from a far. Maybe he gets a little bit more tutelage. And we we know we might know a little bit more behind Grinky. If if he if Luke comes out and says, hey, drinking, you know, helped me out a lot with this. So maybe he is a good behind the scenes guy. You know, you just you just don't know every team is a little different. You're going to new organization. You don't wanna be the guy. That's I feel like you don't wanna be the guy that is saying too much or asking to much. So, you know, I guess we'll see we'll see I think Lucian. It'd be on a great situation. Again, change of scenery is gonna pay out pays dividends. And I think he's going to be an elite force for them at least early in the back end of the rotation. I'm sure he'll be on the front part of that towards the later half of the year. Millie gone that rotates and his Robbie Ray. I mean, nobody mentioned robbery and their top-five coming off is your, you know, you lose Patrick Corbin somebody in that rotation is going to have to step up, its just plain and simple. If they're going to do anything this year even be respectable somebody has to back Greg up. Whether that'd be Luke whether it be Robby somebody's going to have to do it. Yeah. I mean, the whole the whole team the whole pitching staff is gonna is going to have to take that one step forward. And I think Robbie Ray with the year. He had he's gonna come back is gonna come come out strong. And you know, what the confidence he he ended the season with last year. So I think it's a lot of good things. Good good vibes around him. And you know, and again Grank is the ace of that staff right now. And I think there's a lot of things that he feel like a lot of people are looking at him to make it step forward as well. So I think there's a lot of good things that could be happening with with that rotation. But again like you said everyone needs to take a step forward. And Robbie Ray might be the guy that they're gonna lean on the most. Yeah, they might not in the most. And you know, we're not talking about the lineup yet in batters. Which is you know, spoiler that's coming soon later for us, but they also less Paul Goldschmidt. So how you got Luke? You know, it it is it that's a big part lineup that you miss. So to have a guy like that be out of there. You know, everyone in lineups gonna take a step up everyone steps up once about rotation. So it'll be interesting to see how they go with it. But they're interesting seeing their bubble team for me. I feel like how they were with how Colorado was last year. We thought they could it really could do. Well. But you know, everyone's got take that next step in, you know, Anderson Freeland, they all did that will save Arizona. Can do the same right? Yeah. I completely agree. It's great being on should the boy sometimes. Well, you have been on the show since you got invited to spring training. So I mean, we told you before the show but congrats on making making a spring training invite. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you guys. I'm excited to go to camp. And you know, like, we we're talking about, you know, Luke, you know, how he's got to take a step forward. Maybe learn from ranking or something, you know, I'm gonna hopefully take a few pages out of the rotation this pastures book and kind of watch out. We'll ask is, you know, Nola, even even get back into the swing things with high cough when I talked to him at the end of last season. Sorry, I'm thrown I now, but that's the greatest thing ever has like sound. I think he's throwing baseball club. Yup. But yeah, no. I think these are going to be great. And you know, I'm really sorry to kind of pick the brain of a couple of our starters. And who knows maybe we do get Dallas kaikal, and I get to kind of, you know, spit ball with him a little bit about, you know, what it's like to attack hitters from from a guy that, you know, gets a lot of ground. Ball outs gets a lot of guys, you know, out with induced. Contact and which is kind of where I sit in terms of my pitch ability. So again, I'm going to take a step forward to this year. And I'm excited to kinda get us know some of the guys that I didn't meet last year. So it'll be fun. Yeah. Nuts. It will be fun. And we're looking forward to it. And we'll be thought along and everything like that quick question. Do you got air pods in right now? Oh, absolutely though, the biggest flex of the year is Cohen calling from breakfast. Throwing with his air pods in throwing probably ninety miles down the pipe right now. Alternate motels. If we don't bump that up and tell everybody on the what we're doing this. This is just catch play right now. We're just we're just having a little catch play so nice little afternoon here over at LA brea high school shout out to John southern you know, the head coach that I'm playing catch with right now. No, I had I had to do it. You know? But you know, I didn't you know? I love coming on the show and talk and talk and baseball with you guys. I mean, it's it's really harmless to be able to just talk the best sport in the world in my honest opinion. Mike. Hey might be slow to some people. But I mean, this is the best in the world. So the fact that we get to come on once a week and and baseball, that's that's all I care about. So that's going to be it's fun for me.

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Mason and Ireland [hr 2]

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland [hr 2]

"Here's what I think is on cool. And a little dangerous. You want. Tyreek hill to file basically an charge. Well, I don't know if it would be assault. What his agent is saying is we want to press charges. We'll right at charges be if I thought drink it. You assault tonight at the dodger game. If I buy a beer if I may brewers fan, right? And I buy a beer and I'm sitting in the row in front of you and I turn around and throw the beer at you assault. Okay. Yeah, so it'd be that's what we're looking. Okay. So here's, here's what I think we've got a problem with in this country in this culture is there is this crazy mob mentality. It happens on Twitter. You just said you want to destroy that guy's life. No, I want to have him publicly shamed shame, like on game of thrones. But we'll still life yet, but look sir. See is look at Steve Bartlett. Steve Martin is like living in hiding somewhere, look at, sir. See, she's back on top. She killed. Jane read, keep right about that. I always keep the shame bell, but we don't need to destroy people's lives. Twitter destroys people's lives. You want, you want posters all over town. What do you want on court? Courtroom law and order Sam wattage. That'd be awesome. No, I just don't understand the mentality of because you bought a ticket to a sporting that you to football game yesterday. Would you ever in a million years, have the inclination to take a beer and throw it at a player? I never in a million, never even occurred to me and if one did it, I think that's a dealbreaker. Yeah, but you gotta split up with that guy but, but lifetime ban, I don't think we necessarily need to destroy the the guy's life. I'd okay. Just give me a Mitch in the new like to be, would you like to your life to be defined by your worst drunken moment? That'd be scary, but what? What's your worst drunken moment. That's a great question. What would have been when I was in college? Right me too. And I gave up, I gave up booze after college. Didn't need this. Strachan moment. I give that some thought the first thing that pops into my head is you know how your standards get lower, right, or you drink, I probably went down that road. Okay. So here, here's my worst moment. I was devil's lake in Michigan licking my shoe. That's Greg. Greg, had a good in New Orleans on bourbon street for one hundred bucks when that's I mean, okay. So let's take that one. Let's say that was on video. That was I'm video and that went viral. Okay. And would today and you became the guy, the shoe shoe, you your credibility. I think as play by play guy would crumble, probably wouldn't survive it. No, that's that's like Kuku licking your own show any sympathy to this guy that through a beer on Tiree showing sympathies been banned for life. Yeah, but I'm thinking force that, let's think about that for second. Let's say you get banned from the Coliseum for life for life. Yeah, right. Throw on a hat and you know, put go. Yeah, you'll diamond Lakers game. Do the Neil diamond for you could get back in you. I mean, you can't, but I'm assuming if like those were season tickets, they're pulled. I'll tell you what I just tell you where in the okay, I will give this fan a chance to publicly apologize. Okay. Because you know when when his name gets out there, there's going to be cameras that show up. Yeah, is his name out there? I'm curious about that. The in the patriots statement, they did not give an in. They just said we have identified the fan and he is banned for from any future events, Gillette stadium. But if his name gets out there, if he publicly apologizes agrees to the lifetime ban cut him. So good Lord. I mean, it's, what are you doing? Throwing a beer at people. It's just a beer, a football game at tyreek hill in the middle of the game. I mentioned the drunk Rams fans behind me. So there was a very nice Broncos lady sitting right next to them and she kept saying, guys, I will buy you some coffee. These guys are like there's no frigging way we're drinking coffee. They were so loaded. They did not even know they didn't even pay attention to what was happening in the game. There. They're just they're just yelling random things, but I'll buy you some coffee. Okay. How about this? Here's a tweet Moore directed at you, but they wrote it to me, the fans should be prosecuted all. He's losing his privilege to use his five hundred dollar seats. If I didn't like your show, I couldn't wait for you to leave and then throw a beer on you and give you the double bird. I would go to jail. Now the the matter has been turned over to law enforcement and Foxborough police chief, William Baker, and his department are investigating so this there are reprecussions whether or not the report. Siren get just get to ban. There's never be enforceable sound odd coming from me, but I'm anti litigation. Not only odd from you like the most ridiculous thing you've ever Stanic isn't it? All right. I said it on Friday, and it has been proven out. I said, the Colorado buffaloes are fraud and they were affront. Although I wasn't overly impressed with you. Did you get a chance to watch any of that. No, I watched the whole thing and it was weird because I think that game still going and ended at like midnight it went and no, they they were. I thought they were great defensively. They absolutely dominated Colorado. They kept that Chenault kid in check except for the one big wildcat play. Chase. JT Daniels started slow through two picks in the first half, but eventually found Michael Pitman twice. Also find Stephen car out of the game somehow. Did they did not run the ball? Well at all they ran, they carried. It was two point three yards per carry. That's three wins in a row for USC wins in a row. They go into, they've got at Utah this week, and I said this'll be the game. I think that determines whether they win the Pac twelve South Korea right now they're driver's seat. And right now, you know who's leading the north Oregon, Oregon, yo, Oregon, Washington, Washington key stumbling. Here's the thing again, the Pac twelve is going to be shut out of the college football player. Yeah. Now that what hate loss when I was gone the entity, did you talk about this Pac twelve story that involved the USC game against Washington state? I don't know. I don't think all my great. You guys didn't talk about this? Okay, so this is unbelievable. Okay. This that this didn't get more attention was the thirty nine thirty six win over Washington state. That happened two weeks ago. The game. JT Daniels got what looked like targeted by a Washington state player. He led with his helmet Ryan, JT Daniels, it clearly on the video, looked like targeting the officials initially called it. They sent it to the replay center, right? The replay center confirmed it. And in attorney who works for the Pac twelve hold the replay center and said, not targeting you gotta wipe it out. Would it mean an attorney? Correct nut. And this all came out in the after game report, the guy goes, they said, hey, why didn't you call that targeting to repay guy said I did. I was overruled by third party. What into how in there. So this sprays, you know, this was all and all anybody was was talking about last week except us, Larry Scott's presser. Yeah, they, he came out and he said, now the number one that lawyer who every is needs to be fired. You can't. I don't even know why they were listening to him who has learned that he did. He go to Washington state. I know Google, but the the, here's the funny thing. If Larry Larry Scott said this was a communication error that he shouldn't have had the ability to do that. You think you think that if you are? I called the. Replay booth from from somewhere else. And I guess the guy was like in somewhere else in the building, and then he walked over there and goes, yeah, no, can't can't call targeting. It was unbelievable. And I think it's, it's if Larry Scott knew that this guy existed and had this kind of power, Larry, scotch should be fired. It's insane. And you don't think about it? Yeah, it was the senior vice president for business affairs, right? Pac twelve conference and wet. Can't over. You can have a system where one official calls it on the field. You go to a replay, the replay official confirms it, and then he third party overturns the call. It's. I mean, I, what? In the world. And so I write and especially when Puerto Guston had just spent a half on suspension becau-. And by the way, Puerto Guston broke, his broke his ankle over the weekend. So he's lost our. Yeah, he's had a padlock. Maybe he had seven sacks so far this year, their best offense? Yes, there is a big loss. So now does he have eligibility left? No, I think this is it. I wonder if he can apply for a richer, a medical redshirt probably what what's your sees record foreign to? I don't think he played in the one of the games. You didn't plan? Right one of the games. He was suspended for just the one game over the limit. Now get a medical. Richard clay said that they felt good, so we may send. They're going to rehab him to get read. Ready for the NFL draft. And if he maybe he wants to go to the NFL. Yeah, he may. He may want this thing Lynn, Larry, Scott, the Pac twelve network is a joke. It. Nobody gets it. Yep. And it compared to the big ten network and the SEC network. It's it's clear in the Texas longhorns that were all that stuff. They get clear. And and you mentioned that the problem with the playoff and I like Larry, he's been on the show several times. He's good. He's he would probably come on again. He's done many good things. Like for example, the the Pac twelve conference media day they go to Bristol and they do immediate. This is a horrible look for a Commissioner, a horrible look that you could have a third party interfere with your your replay review system in a pack. Twelve people, the VP of business affairs. What the hell does he know about targeting? What was his motive? What did he have money on the game? Did he go to Washington state? Like you said, I mean, it's just insane. That is weird. That is weird. When we come back, I want to get back to the dodgers because the line. Ups are out and we'll play the Don Drysdale call. We mentioned it earlier, but we played the Vince. Today's the thirtieth anniversary October fifteenth, nineteen Eighty-eight. We're, could you more you were? I do. I was living at that point. I was I was kind of broke. I was living with my both my brothers, my brothers, one wife, my brothers here anymore. Right? My brother's wife's brother and then their baby who is point in ear UN at this I was in Toledo, Ohio. And how old is Mia now? Roughly twenty. Seven. So she was seven. Yes, she was no, no, no. No. She had its thirtieth anniversary. She was a beige. He's got to be like thirty three. She was. She was an infant, so and I was sleeping. I was literally sleeping on the floor every single night. I was doing radio in Toledo and I was fairly broke and I was laying on the floor watching that game. I know exactly where I was. It was a Suzuki rental building in on Heather downs Bulla. Vard in Toledo, Ohio. I missed it live. I was at a party that my friend Greg's house in Beaumont Texas, and I was on the pow remember when you used to have a cake at part. Yeah, sure that a cake in the balcony and I was outside filling up a beer and so you didn't see it and know this guy because I was the only dodger fan there, and I hear this guy, yell, Ireland, and I thought, what the hell? What comes like any goes dodgers one. I don't know. What are you talking about? What they see Gibson, I came in time to see Gibson doing the armpits pump the pump, and so I saw the replays and everything else. Multi-platform Greg were were you in born you born nineteen Eighty-three. All right. So you were five. You remember it? Yes, of course. I remember everything about it. You remember everything about it or not everything. I remember where I was what I was doing. What happened? What were you? What were you doing. I was sitting on the couch with my brother and my parents with probably was little kids do that is a sports moment that you probably remember remember where you were? Oh yeah, for sure, right. So we'll play we. We played a Scully. We play Jack buck. We'll play Drysdale coming up and we'll give you the line break game by the way starts in like three out. I know. I know I'm going straight from here to there. We're off at three thirty right? And then tomorrow game starts at four thirty nine tomorrow and Wednesday. Greg. We're only on for an hour each day. Yes, it's we're on from twelve to one both Tuesday. And if you want to try and win the fifth row Friday tickets, you gotta be listening next two days between twelve and one. Yeah, because that's your only all you got by the way. Tomorrow night's game is tomorrow night at six thirty. I think six thirty six. Oh nine. And so Naro it's four thirty nine today. Six. Oh nine tomorrow in two. Five on Wednesday. Two or five is not fair to LA. My flight takes off to, oh, we got new internet, we got if you heard about this new plane internet, no, you've played internet. You. You, you have to wait for ten thousand feet anymore greatest. You get on it when you're on the ground and you keep it the whole flight. Get outta here. Boom. Just in time, no one that's going to get to commercial flights, ten twelve years. Maybe probably shouldn't have said anything. Yeah. No. I mean, we'll be alternately will be strap hanging, which by the way in the plane is another reason why all this turn off. Your electronics is a bunch of crap. Oh, it's garbage. I never coming up by the way I tell you. I never use airplane mode. Sorry, American Airlines is I just I mean, you can you're on your phone, you can. You can call people year close to a city. It works. Lineups into dry sale call next all j. Galvin there. Mason Ireland, ESPN LA we've been promising this. We played a thirty years ago today. Kirk Gibson hit. Another shot heard round the world not necessarily the but another. The famous home run against the Oakland a.'s in game. One of the one thousand nine hundred ninety eight World Series. People forget that was game. One people also forget that was Kirk Gibson is only at Batman series and a little background. Don Drysdale was obviously a hall of fame pitcher for the died yet, but he was really known in southern California as an angels announcer because him and dick Berg, we're really good friends. Did the angel games for relent on time and when Jerry Doggett VIN scully's, long time, radio partner. When I say partner, they didn't get a games together, but VIN would do the innings and then Jerry would come in and take over and do the middle innings. And when Jerry retired, the dodgers were able to hire Drysdale away from the angels. So he hadn't been with the dodgers all that long course. He had a relationship then because VIN called all his games, right? We pitch it actually hadn't been for the dodgers that long VIN. Now keep in mind the game. I'm was on NBC because it was a World Series game then was doing the games with Joe Garagiola Drysdale then did all the innings on the radio for the dodgers. He just you remember Don had a heart attack and passed away for this, but he was the only guy in a booth VIN was was doing TV, and so Don at the stage to himself. And here's what it sounded like. Three. Barracks out. The battle of mind starts to work a little bit shy, regrouping that shoulder just. Goes to the top of the home and his. He always does. I've been working on this. Here's the three to fish and drag it. Good us winning for kitchens, deliver round the basis. We're careful. As the. Rembrandt in homeboy. And we, we again, we edited that for time, but done paused for a good almost minute, letting the crowd just go crazy for that. And you know the shot. Everybody talks about when they replay that home run is the brake lights. You know what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, of course, they're legal. The people trying to beat the traffic has Dodger Stadium. Even back then was horrible and somebody is pulling out. And as soon as you know, that person was listening to dry stale, that person was listening. Oh yeah, the radius Louis and dry as it's gone and you see this, these cars are going to pick one. Did you see somebody just go and the brake lights come on? What am I thinking? Steve Edwards, your, you know who you worked with at channel? Eleven all those years. A matter of fact, can you get a hold of him though? Sure. Reach out to him and see if we can get. He was at the game and he left early and his wife that year for Christmas bought him a dodgers jacket on the back left early. That's. And you know a lot of people did a lot of people did, and tragically Don passed away shortly thereafter, and I still see his widow and Myers and Meyers Drysdale. The grand Pasco hall of fame basketball player who is about as nice of a person you will ever meet. And you know any gets asked about that all the still even to this day. And their kids were very little at the time and they're all grown now and you know that that's that's the greatest moment vote. I mentioned earlier in the show voted on by the LA sports media in Los Angeles, sports history. That's number one thirty years ago today, October fifteenth nineteen eighty eight. So that bodes very well for the game you're going tonight. Yeah, you know because you know Walker Bieler is going to be standing on the man. I wonder if the dodgers the dodgers do tradition very well. I wonder how I bet you. They play it tonight before the game on the scoreboard. I wonder. I mean, Gibson's not doing well, but I he was on Dan Patrick show. This was the Dan Patrick show. I think he's got Parkinson's. But he he, he's damp coat. He's in Los Angeles. He's, you know he's going to be there tonight. Maybe thrown out the first maybe throwing out the first pitch. Yeah, got voted year's day. Oh, and Hershiser was you know the pitcher for that kiss he was, did he start game one? If you did wait a minute, he was the MVP the World Series at your, but he may. He may not have been available because he, he closed the Mets series the series before that. So I don't know four will pitch in that game and somebody'll know some dodger family now. So the the lineups are fishery out for tonight's game. Again, when I say tonight I mean four thirty nine PM. Platform Gregoire Casteran you do you want the brewers are the dodgers dodgers first. All right. So it's a little bit of a weird lineup. You have Peterson leading off, which is right, but then bending, second, you wait a minute before you go any further Peterson, just wife just had a baby, right? Yes. And actually twelve hours. No, it was last night around seven thirty. Okay. So that was fortunate that his wife had the baby on the off day, give her an assist so he he will be in uniform tonight while his wife's at the hospital ahead who's batting second batting second was normally be Justin Turner. Max Muncie is batting segments first base plot. Then Justin Turner, then Manny Machado Cody Bellinger Yossi El Puig, yes, money Grondahl KiKi Hernandez in eighth spot and then Walker bueller pitching. Okay. That's an interesting line. What's Milwaukee doing? Milwaukee is chained up. There is a little bit as well Lorenzo. Cain was one Christian yelich to. Ryan, Braun, third, and then Travis Shaw is now in the four spot instead of. Galar Myrddin game to monster home. Sure. Did Hayes Aguilar in the fifth spot. Mike NewsTalk six air Kratz is behind the plate in seventh and Orlando are SIA Orlando, whatever RC is in kids Chessington he hit his first home run of ever season. Recorded history. The the thing about the tonight for the dodgers is at some point you're going to see Josh Hader and and if you saw him pitch in game one, he, his stuff is just absolutely ridiculous. And you know, probably for three innings, I was listening to BUSTER only today. BUSTER says you might as well throw them three because even if you throw him to, he's not going to be available for tomorrow. They just don't want to pitch them on back to back days. So if you can survive that, the dodgers have been very successful against everybody else in that bullpen, especially they're closer Jeremy Jeffress who gave up the big two-run Homer to Justin Turner in in game two. So they've they've hit. Yuli we call it. You'll each ASEAN. Right? I think it's you'll each scene. They've hit him really, really well and lit them up back in August. So this is a good matchup for the dodgers Walker Bieler lower the heart rate stay within himself, throw that four seam fastball up, hang onto the strike zone, and I'm physically declaring it Walker bueller day. Did you cancel per day after taxes. Wait to the second inning. You gotta can't. Immediately. Okay. So a couple of couple of we should actually talk about the Kershaw game because that that got very chippy on social media because there are there are Clayton Kershaw fans who will defend him no matter what. And then there are Clayton Kershaw haters who did not take into account the performance of, yes, mining grigol. Awful. Yeah, I took Rendell put him in a box a couple of things. John Davis. Thank you. John. A Tim Belcher started game while there you go and gave up the gram slam to Jose Consejo member eight a first inning grand slam hit the Cameron centerfield. Right, right. In the camera and the dodgers of apparently been telling people that Andre Ethier is throwing out the first pitch tonight. That doesn't mean it couldn't change or maybe if Gibson's not in the physical condition to do it. You just recognize Gibson before the game. Well, I mean that just retired, right? I retired this year is a good dodger, but then you know what I would do right before the dodgers take the field. I would just put on the scoreboard thirty years ago tonight and play that with the Vince gully call and then have the dodgers take the field place go, I'm all for that place. We'll go, but I'm all for that. Of course because the game starts at four thirty nine. It will be half empty because many fans will be in the park. I mean the the, I guess, you know, it's it's time event, build your tunnel or you're gone to learn whatever the hell you're building, what's this going to get the boring company gone boring? Yeah. What about drew? Do you know that's drew a court is the one that is behind the gondola. I knew that that the the courts are gonna benefit from because they still in the parking lot. It's been drew Drew's project, but that's why I know it's never going to happen. In any anything named mcchord is gonna have problems in Los Angeles. Come back next when you want to do when we come back next, why there's so much stuff. Let's I thought you wanted to talk about the Kershaw game, but. Oh, yeah, let's do the Kershaw game coming back next game. One. A lot of debate how much of that was on Kershaw should Kershaw debut to be cancelled. It is Walker bueller day, but I vow there will never be another Clayton Kershaw day. I brought it back for one day. He burned me and I also want to talk about how scary the Astros look because they look like they lost, but they look like a steamroll. They are get into that, hey, here's a little bit of breaking news. It was expected, but. The city of Oakland has security legal team and will announce details of a lawsuit this week to try and keep the raider name in Oakland. You know, like the Brown stayed in Cleveland really. The raiders have already stated any lawsuit from the city would prompt them to leave Oakland at the end of this season. So they'd have to find a temporary one year home. They could go to San Jose and playing them in the Niner stadium, or they could, you know do there's a theory that they would go to San Diego. I truly regret. I have absolutely no idea what the raiders are doing. Did you hear yesterday that Amari Cooper is now available? Anybody wants him. It's like Jon Gruden doesn't think he needs any. I mean, they went to London and got absolutely embarrassed by the Seahawks clear what they're doing, what it's doing. They're just completely tearing it down. Yeah, and we're coming up on the trade deadline. Yeah. So there's some levian bell now, is there anything new on him? He he, he has to go in this week if he's gonna get paid, but he did not go in today. He's killing my fantasy team right now. He did your your fantasy team sizzler. Awful two points terribly terrible. Yeah, you're going to the first pick in the draft next year of that. I'm right on the verge of Saint of tanking. Yeah. I think you should start. Play for play for the right to pick Todd Gurley. And so here's kind of a cool tweet. We got a Howard memory Howard said on this day, thirty years ago, I was stationed in Okinawa Japan with the US Marine Corps. So thank you for your service. Howard listening live on armed forces network radio as a lifetime fan. I ran through the barracks screaming was married on this date. Six years later, go dodgers Severino remembers where they wearing gifts and hit the Homer. By the way, I had an idea. You know, last year we did. A show from you. You were out that day, but we did a show from the v. a. in Westwood right to honor Veterans Day this year, I've got a different idea search. Think of this. We bring in a an American veteran. To co host one hour of the show. So in other words, three veterans k. who who believe that they wanna do this, who think they'll begin at this already got one really good candidate. The guy with the tattoo though the guy with tattoos. That's right. He's a rather US Marine Corps guy. Good. Yeah, but it'd be, I think it'd be a cool way to recognize that was such a great experience by the way, and that guy did such a good job once his name. Again, Christian floors, Christian floors him asking hilby. He'll be he'll be on the shortlist. Yeah, I love that idea. All right. So watching game one Wade, mckree hold on for a second. You've got Hymie. Harina call. I don't know. I don't know who it is, but is the Spanish call of Gibson hitting his home runs thirty thirty on your show today. This was damage call it. Gibson Homer. Knowing that people people. Oh, that a lot. Now that know Glenn taxes Senate has paid out about the unique to the media. Good. That'd be cool. Here you go to the. He. What it is, you know who. Put it on. I know you think David panic when they need. I don't know if that's not somebody'll know. I'll tell you what I mean. I think that's a fantastic all simply task to call Catherine Cisco Pinto call me and tell me what that guy just said. Yeah, j. you can tell us what he just said, Jay wasn't even less. Were you paying attention? He's playing a game on his phone playing solitaire. I'm training somebody. Well, I'm sorry. What's your name? Bud. Curtis, Curtis training Curtis, but Jay's really training him. I know what he said. I speak Spanish. Okay. What are you saying? You're saying it's incredible. It's like a movie right at the end, but yeah, that they drumhead five four. There you go. All right. That's more than we knew Curtis. You really captured the magic. I feel like I know I got chills. When you describe what that call said. Hate. So let me ask you about the Astros. They look really, really good. They are really good, but. They're easy to root against because of this Roberto of SUNA thing, aren't they? Well, he goes, you know what I'm talking about. So Toronto had this closer Roberto sooner who is suspended for the first fifty games or so for a domestic abuse incident. Toronto which by the way was wound up dismissed. Okay. So Toronto had decided we can't put him back on the field and a Blue Jays uniform east tarnished, and the Astor said, will take him. And it did not go over well in the locker room. Justin Verlander was very outspoken about it among others, but everything is calmed down. Osuna has become their closer and that whole story has kind of been swept under the rug. Right? Well, here's where we run into a difficult situation. John, the charges were dropped. He was suspended, seventy five games. The charges were dropped. We're in this world where. We're passing judgment on people, not unwed mother. They actually broke the law or convicted of committing a crime, but on what appears to be a crime. I think we're, we're, this gets sticky. And baseball has obviously, I mean, I firmly believe in second chances, and if you serve your punishment, you deserve another chance. But. Most sports organizations have a zero tolerance policy about domestic abuse, but the Astros don't they claim they did and then they traded for this. Lots of the dodgers leaves out the cubs don't have a policy they had you and I went down with this win the dodgers traded for Chapman, right? They had a aroldis Chapman a deal done for him. He was on his way here and the dodgers thought twice about it. There was an incident where Chapman was with the mother of his child is girlfriend and he fired a gun in a garage and a garage, and then into the air out in the backyard. And she was cowering in the corner with their baby and the dodgers went. We can't look the other way on it. We'll we'll let him go and not only did they let him go. Then I'm going to the cubs in Chapman, came back and knocked him out of the playoffs. Then he went to the Yankees and by the way he won the World Series with the cubs. Yeah, yes. So it may happen again with a soon it, but it's interesting because here's what here's what happened because we we live in. This. Okay. Speaking in court prosecutor, Catherine Mulally said the complainant. So the the woman who originally. Pre wanted to press charges lives in Mexico. She made clear, she would not travel to Toronto to testify against SUNA and the judge said the crown does not have a reasonable prospect of conviction on this charge absent her testimony. So. Can we just say that's domestic violence, snow conviction? We don't exactly know what happened. What does he admitted to do? You know, don't even know if he's necessarily even apologize. I'm looking for information on a right now. The charges were dropped. Well, he was suspended for something. He was suspended, seventy five games, but this is like that we're going to support this zero-tolerance but who knows what the hell happened. Yeah, it'll be an interesting to follow and to, but you're right. It's easy. It's easy to root against him. He did not appeal his decision. He did not appeal the seventy five game suspension, which suggests that something did happen. But I mean, we're, we're filled in this world of, I mean, every every time I look at Ohio State football game. I hear easy to rooting it's easy to root against him because urban Meyer higher higher harbored somebody who was involved in domestic violence. This situation is another, but you know, in a lot of these cases like cubs fans, they're not. They're not worried. They're still hanging the band who'd got a World Series at our big blue ws all over the place. Even though the guy that that closed games for him was involved in a domestic violence incident. I so the dodger game starts in less than three hours. And by the way in less than fifteen minutes, we have fast-track touchy out working on fast track last night at the Denver airport, late late Mason, and Ireland ESPN LA I got a. Question for you their Mace. Give me a question. All right now I'm hoping this doesn't happen obviously, but. If the Knicks couple of games don't go the dodgers way, would you hesitate to pitch Kershaw in an elimination game in an elimination game? In other words, let's say the dodgers fall behind three to all right, and we're going back to Milwaukee. Okay. Let's let's think about so. And so then you've got a decision, you can either pitch reu- or Kershaw while Craig is gonna pitch game. Five. So he's gonna pitch on Wednesday. No. Be Thursday, right? No, Winston today, Wednesday, I have that right. Red creek Kershaw is going to pitch Wednesday, Wednesday, he, Larry, chilled them all writing. Right. Okay. So how do you feel that Kershaw pitching again, so that would be pitches Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you'd be pitching on two days. Rest. No, if they lose, you say, is going to pitch Thursday in pitch Wednesday. Okay. Well, they lose the next two games than your. There's your elimination. They lose today tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would have. No, he's going to pitch game five, no matter what easy. He's still your number one starter. Well, I wouldn't say he's my number one starter. I would say he's going to pitch game five, no matter what. He's, he's. Five grand. All your question is, would you bring him back for game? Seven. Yeah, on two days. Rest now the World Series. He pitched grade ahead on two days. Rest, Greg. What would you do go, seven came in Milwaukee. Will you'd probably have ru pitching game game? Six and Buehler for game. Seven. Yeah. And Buehler game says. I should ask you this question you come in to relieve after after we see how bueller looks tonight. What? Okay. Now I think that is that one excellent game in the postseason in one nutso. Great, right. That was not a great game. Now. He didn't get a lot of help you has minded Goodall had I'm sure he's there's a passed ball somewhere right now. That's leftover from from game one. He had the. He had the air actually left field. Chris Taylor looked awful. He had a big error in that in that first three innings Kershaw ended up allowing six runs five earned in three innings. Don't forget Cody. Bellinger throw into home plate. Instead of third base. The ball gets passed. Grondahl the score another run, right? Pierro tire staff, how hot Taylor's been at the plate in the last month, batting five hundred down. Yeah, it's been really good. I mean, he's been really good. He's got to be out there. He's now in my opinion, Taylor is now joins Turner and Machado as plays every day, no matter what plays every game, no matter what you can't take Taylor out because of his splits. Greg, you agree with that Taylor is not in there today. He's not there today. You either going to play the splits every single time, fever, frightening, writing the game, though. Oh, yeah. Of course. Every single player on the roster is gonna play in this game. That's the amazing thing about postseason baseball us, they're, they're gonna play. Everybody especially aims are long and and the thing I like about the way the dodgers have positioned themselves is Milwaukee is doing what the dodgers did last year, which is getting to the bullpen as quickly as possible. How many times do we see Watson synchrony for key lefty, Brandon Morrow. Kenta my ADA and kenley Jansen. They pitched almost every game in that sequence almost every game in the hitch. He pitched every game. The dodgers. This time are letting starters go a little bit deeper. They're not exposing their bullpen in Milwaukee is the team that is exposing its bullpen. Aside from hater, nobody in that bullpen has been especially effective. Especially not Jeffers who gave up the two run Homer to Justin Turner in game two, I liked the way the dodgers are are operating. There's no reason to throw kenley every game. There's no reason through Kanta every game. Just use the bullpen as needed service when Jansen walk that guy Toledo. The ninth. It made us little nervous. Of course it was. It was was Lorenzo Cain that he walked the, you know, her non parental struck out Lorenzo Cain and then got Christian yelich to bounce out to Turner by the way and that at that right there, Chris runner at second one run game Christian yelich the National League most valuable player versus kenley Jansen tweeted that I said, you can't write this. No, I mean, that was the that was a fantastic match up. And if you boil down baseball and you always say regular season baseball, so much different. Playoff baseball is just like you're on tenterhooks said a word. Sure. Now hooks the entire game and by the way, John, I'm nervous no matter. All right. Well, I have I have some good news for you. This morning. I woke up and I was flipping channels and some weatherman told me that they were going to be twenty mile an hour, wind gusts in Los Angeles today. The winds have calmed down. Okay. A Russia's just tweeted the forecast for the next several hours at Dodger Stadium. Yep. It is expected to be between seventy eight and eighty degrees until six thirty tonight. So you know, I got two hours of the game are going to be and and minimal wind is going to be a little surreal because yesterday meawhile were it was twenty degrees in Denver when we were at courts field for the ramps win wardrobe change. And today it's going to be what eighty two degrees or eighty degrees, whatever that is at Dodger Stadium at four, thirty nine. This. Afternoon. So it's a that is a very, very quick turnaround. I want to mention one more time before we get to fast-track. Fifth row. 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Ep. 3: Transaction Wrap-up, Arenado, Lou Brock and Gary Sheffield trades, Pittsburgh Pirates

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Ep. 3: Transaction Wrap-up, Arenado, Lou Brock and Gary Sheffield trades, Pittsburgh Pirates

"Woah to. Welcome to the new best rivalry in baseball. Hey, welcome everybody. Here we are ninety miles podcast. This is Ryan with Jesse who's a brewers fan for some reason. I can't imagine why. But whatever I'm representing the cubs here. And we're gonna talk some cubs brewers baseball. That's right. It's up Assode three. I think we're gonna hit the transactions episode. And I don't know why anybody would be a cubs fan to be perfectly honest. So this should go. Well, okay. Sure. So let's let's just jumper. Let's his jump right into. Spring training game. One cubs bruiser, which you know. I mean, how poetic I guess game. One sixty four where we were saying are you were saying prior to the game. Then you the marbles. Yes. Yes. All the marbles. Everything was on the line. Yeah. Opening game. The the Bruce sending out chase Anderson who led the league in home runs last year from the mound by giving them up. So you know, we wanted to ease your guys back in a little bit to the right? And it's going early in the season. You know, get your spring started off, right? We felt kind of bad about one sixty three. I mean. Yeah. Kind kind of pretty much wrecked. Everything you guys did for the previous one sixty two. Well, maybe chase Anderson. You know, nice. Well, it's washed away now with a eight to four cubs victory game one sixty four. So now, you know and you'll go right in saying. Oh, yeah. They didn't have their starters. But that's. We had one starter. He led the league in homers. And I think that's what really counts here. Okay. Home runs given up. Of course, the only good thing from the Bruce side if you wanna get into anything that game Corey Ray was brought up as a potential trade bait candidate all spring long for guys like Madison Bumgarner a couple of Cleveland starters, potentially. He went to for three and hit a bomb. So he had a nice, you know, opening to his spring training. He's really the depth really at the center field position behind Lorenzo Cain. As far as the minor league system goes. So it's kind of nice to see that. That's really about one of the only takeaways you could really look at as a brewer fan. They're like, you said there is no starters in the lineup, except you know, they threw you know, Davies and Anderson out there in the pitching side for a little bit. Otherwise, what do you got from the cubs perspective for that particular ballgame? Oh, well, primarily I mean not too many starters as far as pitchers too much. But I think the biggest thing was Kris Bryant hitting a bomb two for two in his first two at bats homerun and a single to RBI's to read Homer looks like the shoulder is good looks like, you know, launch angles looking good everything. Everything looking good there. That's very encouraging just to start off the spring like that, you know, after last year, and I I know he came out, and he's he, you know, he had there is a lot of naysayers last year, you know, even even trade rumors and things like that. And he's he kinda came out and said, you know, I'm gonna prove you all wrong and not only did he say that. But he's he's showing it. So that was that was great, obviously, you know, I. You know, I made that prediction but twenty five plus home runs by all star break for Kris Bryant. So you know, you aren't counting spring training. Ryan. No, I I realized I want to make sure that that's clear, we didn't we? It's the beginning. Couple of games in March. You know, this isn't March. It's still February. It's it's a good sign. He's putting the ball in the air, and it's going deep. So that's the main thing for his game one their eternal hope spring training. You bet. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, we're just getting going. So I mean, it's hard to read into a lot of things this early in spring training. So yep. You know, but I I do think it's worth reading into Chris Brian ending OMB run as a good sign because with his shoulder injury. He was not hitting the ball that deep. He he lost his launch angle and his strength. And so the fact that he already pulling out is a good sign. So sure even if it was off a chase Anderson. The brewers go. Shoulders. Okay. The launch angles. Good. He's putting the ball in the air, and he's putting a deep. So it doesn't matter. I mean, you know. Yeah, we hit as a matter of somebody. Sure. Burs just groove to pitch for Bryant. They wanna feel good. Yeah. It's a little bayton. Switch for the beginning of the season. Okay. Striking right. Yeah. Whatever the only other big notable for the brewers side. I thought airman Perez here it'd be a couple of days ago when this airs I suppose went two for three and a ball game against the Rangers. And drove in seven runs it's pretty tough to do that in spring training. He's kind of penciled in as one of the two or three utility guys. Now that we stock has come over. But he's going to be spelling Braun in left field at times he's going to be playing some seconds some short some third. He's gonna be a regular player. So to see him get off to a fast start in spring is a really really positive sign. Maybe there's a little fire lit under their, you know, a lot of doubters, you know, thinking. He and spans you can't split up. Second base. It's not good enough. They bring in moose dacas. It'd be nice to see him play with a little bit of fire. He always did. But you know, a great utility guy to see him get going. He's going to be playing every day. Whether he starting every day or not it's a nice sign. That's really the the big takeaways from spring training thus far for the brewers side. We're only three games end. There's a fourth game coming up this afternoon. Any other things you wanted to touch on from some of the cubs games that we weren't paying attention to as much as game one sixty four. You know, not too much. I mean chat would still he game too. He pitched a couple of innings couple hits a walk and gave up a home run little, you know, he's a question, Mark. But we're gonna have to see he ended up actually getting the win. Anyways. Not the matters, especially being training that that was against San Francisco. Cubs won that nine to five shore hit a double. So you know, that was good. He's he's you know, I heard he's he just read something today. I think I sent that over to you that he's changing his approach going back to more his older approach, which I think could be interesting coupled with the discipline, and I that he's had because I was one thing I mentioned before that it was just pitches. He was actually swinging at he just you know, wasn't hitting Ryan I think he got inside his head. Head. And and we'll see we'll see how that evolves. The season. Yeah. But yeah, I mean not too much else right now you Darvish is is supposed to start today. So see how that goes. And. Yeah. That's I think that pretty wrap pretty much wraps up the first three spring training games. I have noticed. The brewers have been on the radio around. Here haven't been on TV around here. I finally got to watch their game yesterday a little bit the angels. It was nice to see some baseball finally on TV. I can't believe the Bruce cubs weren't televised. Unbelievable. But, you know, moving on there's also some really big news in the market today. Sounds like if you're ready to move on. We can give that. Yeah. The no Nolan aeronautical is signing an eight year extension that just happened. Literally minutes ago as far as us recording the podcast. So we're reacting fresh in time this to me is a huge deal for a couple of reasons. Nola near Nado is a great fit in Colorado. He's a great player. Incredible defensive player doesn't get enough credit. Maybe even for that. But he does. So well in Colorado, don't you have some splits for? Yeah. He I mean, it totally makes sense both for Colorado and for for Aaron Atto to sign an extension, which which we don't see as much a lot of players like tests free agency and stuff. So it's kinda this is interesting. But it totally makes sense. I mean, his home and away splits are are crazy. I mean home he has a career batting average is three twenty three seventy four OB p his oh PS ninety four but away is batting average to sixty three seven eighty seven. I mean he of most play. Players. I mean, it's he clearly just plays so much better in Colorado. I mean, it is it would not make sense for him to to test free agency. It just doesn't the solely makes sense. I know a lot of cubs fans have brought up the idea of nabbing him. And obviously some are probably disappointed in this news. But given though those splits, I I'm I don't know. I don't really see him being good as good of a fit anywhere other than Colorado. So I I don't know if I agree with that entirely splits are one thing sometimes it's just more comfortable to be at home spending your nights at home, you feel better the next day to I don't think it's all Colorado air that we're worried about here. But what I do think is way this relates to baseball itself. I think this is great news for the health of baseball. Oh, yeah. Looking at when you're looking at the Machado market, and how slow it moved. Harper hasn't even signed. Yes. Yeah. And for a home, you know, homegrown guy like air Nado to sign a contract like this two hundred and forty five million. It looks like over seven years, according to Bob Nightingale. I'm hearing numbers and seeing things like thirty five million av, which is you know, your average annual salary. This is great because it does a couple of things teams like Milwaukee half to grow their players. There is likely as Chicago New York and LA to be able to go out and get a guy like this. Those are where the big TV markets are for somebody to take an I don't even think it's really a discount when you start looking at what is going on with Machado and Harper for somebody to have the foresight and see what the new free agent market is and take what was on the table is a great sign for smaller markets. I think it's a good sign for the future. The way baseball's being set up right now teams are distributing their money more evenly. It's not even at all. Don't get me wrong. But you're getting more money towards the bottom end. You know, your middle relievers are getting more and more money all the time. They're also becoming more and more important the way the game is changing it really suits guys to go ahead and take a great offer, you know, become a quarter billionaire. Why not and stay at home? You're already there. You know? What are you? What are some thoughts? You have gone into this. No, I I mean, I would say I'd agree with that. I do I do think that that though that there is something to say about the split. So with Colorado being a unique ballpark that that different players definitely play differently there than most ballparks. I I wouldn't discount it entirely. I just think he's I don't think the splits. Tell the whole story is my no, I mean, I agree with you. You're already home. You know, it's where you're used to. I think I always wondered that. It's like. You know, in the end, I mean players tend to go where there's the most money, but this is maybe an example of of this is a good deal anyways for him. This is plenty good. I mean to but you have that it shows that there is some value. Some of the players do value, both the security and comfort. So so, yeah, I think it's good. It's agree. I think it it makes the game feel more more human. When players do make moves like this rather than it just being about about the size of the contract, and especially this offseason with with Machado and Harper, you know, really playing playing that and going well into the winter and even with Harper into spring training now, I I would think that's got to be frustrating. I mean, you're working out. You're ready to play. And you're not on a team. You're just leading. Yeah. Yeah. This is all this is all part of her tweet of the week segment. There's a hundred tweets floating around right now this one from Jeff design Pasana breaking third baseman milliner not on the Rockies are finalizing eight year contract extension with more than two hundred fifty five million deal includes an opt out after three years would give Aaron auto the largest per your salary of any position player. I think that is key right there. There's an opt-out. Three years. This is really describing a new a new construction to salary and contract. Type in baseball. This whole ten year business three hundred million that Harper Machado assumed everybody should be paying them seemed like a bit much, especially when you're minor leaguers are making something like fourteen thousand dollars a year, we can spread the money out a little bit better. I know the players union is going to disagree with certain things. I'm about to say and have said, but I would like to see the money spread out a little bit more. And this also gives out oh that opportunity to bail after three. I'm not exactly sure what the details are on the opt-out if it's a dual opt out or if it's just him, but the opportunity for him to go make more money, if the market changes is there the opportunity for the mutual benefit is there. I think expecting three hundred million and ten years of commitment is too tough a pill for anybody to be swallowing as far as teams go. Well, too many of these too many of those contr. Acts failed. Yeah. Ten years a commitment. Probably being the bigger thing. I mean, it's not the money. It's the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say so too. Yeah. So yeah, it's interesting. You know, it makes me think about Kris Bryant. You know, I always thinking about about anybody else. But I mean, you know, Kris Bryant. Is is you know? I think fans would love to see him stick around long term. So I, you know, I would love to see some kind of an extension rather than you know, testing free agency that would that would be very stressful situation as I'm sure it's been for Washington fans. Oh, yeah. This this can't have been fun to watch. And I'll painful that that'd be off of your big nationals fan, and and Harper's of your favorite players and then to have to go through this. And now, he's you know, he's almost certainly going to be leaving. Whether it's Los Angeles or Philadelphia. I guess we'll see. But or it seems like he and Boris. Yeah. There's there's still trying to leverage something, I'm not sure, I don't know. I most of the time we're gonna focus on cubs, and Bruce, I just feel like this particular transaction is kind of the opposite of everything we've been hearing last year and a half two years, and I think long term this kind of discussions going to be good for this program focused on the cubs and Bruce. You said makes you think about Kris Bryant on the brewers side. It makes me look at how they are structuring their deals. You know, if we move on today wrap of transactions for the brewers and the cubs for the season leading into our third segment here, if you start thinking about how the brewers structure things, you know, he has money grand L A one year deal with an option you Mike Masako something similar with an option. You know, you're looking at structuring it a year at a time. Will you keep growing your youth and hopefully growing those young pitchers into something? That are fantastic. There's a few trades. I wanted to touch on with the brewers. But why don't you jump into some of your cub stuff from the the transactions over the the winter? And it wasn't a ton of action. Yeah. What did you kind of want to speak on before? I go through, you know, the brewers trades and some of the things. Well, I mean, the cubs didn't do a whole lot which I'm fine with. I mean, they didn't need to do a whole lot. They just needed certain players would be healthy and execute, but but they did do a couple move. Which I barely mentioned. I think in the first episode when we kind of touched on this. But Daniel the skull so for one and and and Brock as another discuss. Oh, I think I mean that that piece makes sense. I mean, I think he's sort of taking the Daniel Murphy role that he kind of played in the last half. Although I he's maybe not quite as good. But but still experienced indefinitely can be plugged in there and certainly with. Addison Russell, and it'd be out basically the first month serving that suspension, which I suppose we'll we'll have to touch on at some point as well. Yeah. The cubs have had a an off season of things that you really haven't wanted to talk about you. That's the first time. I brought that up in here. We're into the third episode. I don't even really. I wanna keep it baseball focus. But at the same time, there's some transgressions you can't ignore. So we'll we'll get there. I'll get there. But let's. Let's talk the finish up. The baseball transit. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, discuss oh, I think he adds adds a nice presence there. He's a nice piece, and and you know, lefthanded batter. It's just another piece for for Madden to play with with matchups. And and to fill in gaps as needed and give some people some recipe. And that's you know, Madden. Does does quite a range of things as far as that. He really plays a match ups and likes the, you know, as as he calls them, you know, working with the the nerds, you know, that reg the numbers. So he he was also brought in a bit to kind of fill a gap of somebody that left, right? Oh crap. Forgetting. Well, well, Daniel Murphy the know well, partly that. Yep. And then Addison Russell, really. Being gone. You can put so in that second and havi at short. You know, if that favors the matchup, otherwise, you could have been so brisk that second, you know. So I think man will play around with that. I think we'll see a lot of things havi will be at shortstop, no doubt until Addison Russell's back. So arguably possibly after Russell's back. We'll see right. Russell is. He capable of sliding to second base. I mean, he's got the talent. Or would you rather have havi go back to second? Because Russell Russell was decent. Very good defensive player. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's, you know, he sometimes has some issues with his throwing he had some throwing airs here, and there, I mean, I I I actually do think hobbies the better shortstop, but hobbies exit second baseman too. So so yeah, yeah. It's it's really about putting the best lineup on the field. Anyway, if that means hobby. It's second Russell's probably a defensive improvement over discount. So, you know, things like that. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the first month they'll probably be a a range of some lineups there as they they work their way through the suspension game. So, but so yeah, discuss so, but I think broad Brad Brock is it a dog barking here. We'll. Oh, that's all right. Anyways. Brad. Brad brach isn't interesting piece. I mean, he's you know, he's actually not too bad of a relief pitcher. He's you know, he doing very well for he did very well for Zach Britton couple years ago in and filling in his role for the aisles as a closer. Actually, I do remember that particularly good years. I think I think it was with in seventeen twenty seventeen I think a very very good season. If I'm not mistaken twenty sixteen. Okay. Maybe that was a particularly good year. He's on all made all star team. He had a to five ERA. Yeah. So that's more in a setup role. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So yeah. I mean, he's he's an interesting piece in there. He you know, I was looking at you know, I like as I've mentioned before I love baseball reference site. And and you know, I was looking at. You know, similar similarity scores and number one similar pitcher. They got on. There is patriots Strope. Okay. So which is which is interesting. Yeah. So I mean, you know, he does have a lot of similarities there and. Yeah, I have no problem having another Pedra Strope in the cubs bullpen. That's solid. The. Yeah. The bruise won't mind seeing the same guy come out of the bullpen and the same game. That's good. Oh. Yeah. The NIA Jack second guy. That's okay. We don't mind. I mean, the the cubs. It's that simple. Right. They lost. Jesse Chavez and Justin Wilson, Jesse Chavez. I liked a lot. He was he was very effective. But it just didn't work out to keep him. Justin Wilson was not as a fact of so not as concerned there now with the full starting rotation. You get Mike Montgomery back in the bullpen. And and kinda as it sits Tyler chat would I think in do some work from the bullpen as well. So you so you plug those in yet. Brad Brock in there. And then you got the other pieces that were that are still so round, you know, like Pedra Strope, you know, I think you know, it's a pretty pretty solid bullpen Carl Edwards juniors. See shak? I know you like. See shack, right. Is a Madison boy if I'm not mistaken delivery, Ota, Wisconsin. Yeah. Not university of Wisconsin. They don't even have a baseball team, which still boggles my mind different day. But yeah, that that is a pretty solid bullpen a couple of things, you know, getting to bullpen things at the birds did kind of the overlooked trade their off-season, I feel like they sent the fortieth picked to the Texas Rangers for Alex Claudia left handed reliever. Feels like that was a pretty important pickup to have a second left-hander outside of hater. Because heater isn't really a a lefty specialist of any sort, but they lost Jennings sedan no off the roster from last year, the cool part about Alex Claudio. And this is where I got into, you know, our earlier conversation on this particular episode. A love the way that they build rosters the way that David Stearns approaches it is perfect for this market. He got a multi inning guy. So Claudia's capable of pitching, you know, more than in any any time in need three. Three years ago club control. He's got at least one minor league option two years ago. He was very very good. He had a two point five year as a one point zero four whip in eighty two and two thirds innings over seventy games. That's excellent. Excellent production if he can get back anywhere near that. Again. That would be a stellar addition to the studs at the back of this bullpen last year. Not so good, you know, four four eight year. A will find out what first you're pitching coach Chris hook has in store for them. If they can get some things straight note. I'm sure they saw some things in his numbers that said, you know, that's maybe a little more of an outlier. I hope that's the case. But again the way that they develop at this level, you're grabbing a guy somebody that could be really excellent out of the bullpen. And you're locking them in for three years without having to pay him a ton. That's what you have to do in a small market. If you go. Yeah. Really really could be a solid add to that bullpen you get back to a couple of other transactions. They may. Made you know earlier you did say that you didn't feel like the cubs needed to do anything. One thing. I do like about watching David Stern's work as even though they won ninety six games last year. And really didn't have a ton of a ton of drop off coming back. You know, losing stock as losing a couple of minor guys out of the pen, what they did was strengthen up in some depth areas by trading guys that they really didn't have room for after he adding yellow Gyaincain the outfield became super stacked and super deep with Santana. And Brockton both guys who had been starters the previous year and had some very major success in the big leagues. They basically ran out of space for them. So the brewers sent Domingo's Santana after a really awful start last season. But he actually contributed greatly down the stretch as a pinch hitter was really important down the stretch, but they sent him out to Seattle. The the got a left handed batter. Not mat Gamel, Ben Gammel, met gambles, brother, actually, met gambles. Third base prospect for the brewers for a number of years, but he can play all three spots in the Oldfield. He's you know, a little bit above average league numbers across the board. He could be a great battery-mate for Braun. He's another left handed hitter. He's got an excellent army sauce defensive highlights of them could be a really nice find for your fourth out fielder. He oh he can play center in a pinch. She's not gonna be oh, he won't be relondo Kane, but he would be you know, somebody that can stack in there once in a while great double switch candidate. They also got a young pitcher ngs Avalos. He's a Harvard graduate. He's been time between low A and high at a three point three area. So what they did is they gave themselves a nice bottom end prospect somebody that can contribute right away for Domingo's Santana who is out of options, really the bruise do shuttle bus people back and forth to the minors a lot. It's part of their strategy. Do the cubs. Do a lot of that. Or not. I don't remember seeing a ton of that from them last year where they run the shuttle back and forth with some relief. Ours. Is that more of a smaller market thing? That's happening or the cubs quite a bit of that too. A little bit of that. There are few. You know, they'll it depends on on. I think kind of match ups a little bit. And also, you know, they are conscious of the fact that they need to give some of their minor leaguers some some major league experience. So you know, you last year it was mostly injury driven nets. That's usually the case with most most other teams too. But the even still then, you know, they try to keep that, you know, you still gotta give that depth some experience no dodger league level because. Yeah, it's just another. So, you know, people are really performing extremely well at AAA level. They definitely will. We'll get an opportunity somewhere. You know? Sure. Well, the big reason I brought it up is the Bruce do run a shuttle bus back and forth for the middle relievers. A lot. And even last year they used eleven starting pitchers. So it's not like they didn't do it for that front end either. It's a different way to manage the organization. They're really managing a forty man roster. They're not managing at twenty five man roster. It's a different way to play the game. So they did do also to fill in some more spots that had developed kion Braxton he had been twenty twenty guy a couple years ago. I super sad to see him go high energy guy flashes. A glove that could be gold glove capable at times super speedy. They didn't have any options left form in a crowded outfield. So they traded him to the Mets in return. They're getting a young pitchers named Bobby wall who had an eleven point nine k per nine inning rate going on in the minors ninety five plus miles an hour, he stopped out at ninety eight ninety nine so another big arm that could develop into something. He hasn't shown anything huge at the major league level yet. He actually got knocked around a bit for the Mets a couple of couple of cups. Coffees. What it really looked like we'll see what the Bruce can do with them. But it's another arm to add to that shuttle that was talking about another pitcher received in return young guy at hill. You know, major league baseball pipeline ranked him one thirty ninth and twenty eighteen so another good prospect, and then a strong low A candle candidate in him right now. And then another guy from the Dominican league Felix. Larry, oh, he played second third down there at a three nineteen four. Oh, nine four thirty three split. So, you know, just some young guys they're filling back in they have emptied out the minor league system bit. So they're what I love about. What David Stearns is doing he's adding some low level stuff along with major league capable talent. It's a nice way to build the rostrum really excited about it some signings. We've already covered Spangenberg we've covered with stock us and grand all another couple of guys Josh Tomlin and another reliever named Patricia could actually play a role this year too. But that pretty much wraps the Bruce transactions for the off season. Well, talk more as they develop course. But that pretty much does it for the brewers side anything you wanted to add and the cubs side or any reaction to how you feel David Stearns has been building. I mean that totally makes sense, especially the way the teams built in being smaller market. I mean, it's it's just what you gotta do. And. You know? And I think it complements councils managing style as well. So I mean, it makes sense. It's not gonna be enough to beat the cubs. But that's enough last year. Barely barely barely. Yeah. Baby. Barely whatever. So yeah, I guess keeping the theme going on transactions. We wanted to move into the seventh inning year. Yeah. Let's take the stretch. What are we doing today? Well, we we want to talk about some historically bad transactions. Oh, yeah. That's pretty fun. Let's rip on some people. Yeah. Yeah. So I I wanted to bring up which you know, and I remember this even as a kid hearing about it. Of course, my dad was a huge cubs fan. And he witnesses firsthand. And of course, you know, even many years later complaining to me about it. And you know. You know, we the cubs. It's interesting. We talk about the cubs. And we, you know, everyone knows two thousand sixteen World Series or looked at as sort of this, you know, monster in the national division, but the majority of my life, the majority of actually the last century, they were not good. And did a lotta bad. You know, made a lot of bad transactions their favor long to most famous and most famous one was definitely. Trading. Lou brock. Basically nothing and that one that one hurt them pretty bad. I, you know, the main piece being Ernie broadly. Oh pitcher is the cubs. Got. There are a couple of others involved in the transaction. This is June fifteenth nineteen sixty four as a midseason trade. And of course, the worst thing about is. Lou Brock went to the cardinals of all teams. So. Yeah. That hurt. Yeah. Yeah. That would hurt a lot. Yeah. Broadly, only played another three years for the cubs with. Oh looks like a Ford seven or so E R A. In fact, he had a four year as the rest of the sixty four season. Then sixty five nearly a set he had a six point nine three and sixty six he had a six point three five. And then he was done while Lou Brock went on to have a hall of fame career. So, you know, I'm sure cardinals fans never never afraid to bring that one up our that. Yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. That one that one hurt. So. Bring one that would sting a little bit. I've got one from the bruise that I was actually alive for. So that was a a Ricky bonus. Unfortunately, so back in nineteen Ninety-two as I recall, I remember Gary Sheffield coming up with the brewers a young kid. Oh, yeah. His rookie card has Todd. I do have it somewhere it somewhere. I should you know, make video of me burning that or something. I'm just kidding. Maybe I'm kidding. I don't know. Anyway, I gotta find it. I but back in nineteen Ninety-two, you know, he'd won a rookie of the year. I think years before. He was not happy in Milwaukee at all. And he made it really really well known. And this ended up costing the Bruce quite a bit at the time. But Seelig was running the show. And or at least was the owner he had ripped or Sheffield at publicly ripped the owner. He had you know, basically sedated that he hated Milwaukee. So cubs fans, probably love chef. And he put them in a position where he was actually he admitted later, and I'm not sure if it was after his career lateness career that he was intentionally committing errors at third base, basically throwing the ball into the stands occasionally. So there wasn't much that Milwaukee could do accept trade him. Right. Unfortunately for Milwaukee he turned into an incredible offensive talent. He was good defensively for longtime till he got older hall of Famer incredible player. But basically they had to send them to the Padres. For Ricky bonus. And it was spilt looks like bones. But if I remember it is pronounced bonus. And he was basically, you know, back into the rotation starter fourth outfielder and a guy named Matt Miki, and then Jose Valentin who ended up being basically, a an adequate shortstop, you know, in return for that, the Padres got some control on, you know, one of the best offensive players we've seen in the last twenty years. So that was the brewers were trade that I could think of I also think as much as I love, David Stearns. I think that just in scope trade will be interesting to talk about here in a year or two even time this year. I don't think it will be in the rankings with Sheffield. Don't get me wrong. We didn't I don't think hall of Famer to Baltimore. But with hoping to get with scope was, you know, a year and a half a control at second base. And here they are signing is back instead to play second and scopes gone onto Minnesota. They had to release them. So that when turned awful, but Sheffi? You know, look pretty good in comparison. So that's right. For a little seventh inning history this time and don't forget to in the seventh. Inning segment we are going to do a lot of futuristic stuff. So that's why. Trade. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Wildcard kind of a segment. So yeah. I mean, it's ninety miles connections. So exactly. Yeah. I know we wanted to mention about well, you know, more about them than than me Brooks Kieschnick. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting one cubs. Pick Tim tenth overall pick in the nineteen ninety three amateur draft. And you know. Thought thought that he had a lot of potential, of course, they picked him over Derek Lee. Chris carpenter torii hunter, so. You see, you know, those names, you might not know Brooks Kieschnick. But in any case, I know you then what happened is he played only played for the cubs for a little bit. But then most of the time was in the minors. And then was that and what two thousand four two thousand two thousand four. Yeah. Okay. With milwaukee. He resurfaced the brewers brought them in and he had developed as a pitcher by then. So now Bruce had him down to the minors. So this guy comes up this Brooks Kieschnick that nobody Milwaukee knows anything about. And I I mean, there might have been a few people, but t- he gets up there and he'd been brought up as a reliever, but he would pinch hit every once in a while. And I think he may have even played a little bit of left field and outfield for Milwaukee at times. He actually put up some old k numbers. You know, you take a look at it and his batting three. Now, this is sixty nine game seventy six plate appearances. So you know, what that means? He's pinch hitting he hit me hundred. He hit hundred that he had seven dinger's, and you know, basically, seventy at bats. So yeah, he was a little bit of a cult hero in Wisconsin in Milwaukee. Specifically being able to do that mostly off the bench in two thousand four seventy five games sixty eight. Appearances sixty three at bats hit two seventy the power decreased. And that was kind of the the end of the career the end of the line there. But he did do some pitching as well. You know, it's not like he was terrible. I mean, two thousand three he was more of a hitter when he hit his, you know, his bombs, but he had a five twenty six yard. At least you could get some innings out of the guy. Three seven seventy are a the next year. He didn't pitch a ton. He did have you know? I mean, he had a fair number of innings and stuff. But yeah. Brooks Kieschnick that was a name from the blast from the past there for. Yeah. I thought that was a fun one to bring up in the transactions. And of course, there's a direct ninety miles connection. Having both been part of the cubs and brewers organizations. Absolutely. Yeah. That was a fun one. Yeah. So I guess that kind of leads us through that segment. We're going to move on. And I think if you're ready, we'll do some predictions time for some predictions and ninety miles podcast dot com. If you look at the menu at the time. Up there. There's a section called predictions. And we're gonna log all of these there and track them so Bechir to check that out. And and we'll be some stats on on. How we do on these predictions as well. Yeah. So we want our predictions to be a little aggressive to and have some fun with them. So we're we're we're not gonna play it save just in the two in the sake of beating each other. But if we do beat each other with bold predictions than it, really means something, right, right? So if if you're hitting five hundred on these predictions, you're doing pretty well, hopefully because these are supposed to be not so easy. You know? So I think that's pretty fun. Yeah. Yeah. I've got I've got more of the fun oriented one today. And I got a bone to pick with you on that you have been getting after me on Twitter about Kyle shore for the last. I don't know how many days just because I'm not a big fan. Whatever. It is what it is. Well, you always get after me to about Jimmy Nelson. So I got a little for you. Okay. Jimmy nelson. You know, let's assuming assuming he's gotten a little better, and he's actually going to make it to the major league staff here. We're all hoping for that. I don't think you're rooting against the guy that's been injured. I'm not rooting against Kris Bryant just rooting against the cubs in general. But if Jimmy Nelson's on the roster the cubs and brewers are gonna face each other isn't nineteen times this year. I think something like that. I think Kyle shore is gonna hit less than two hundred against Jimmy Nelson. This year. He's not gonna have a home run. He's not going to have a home run. He's not gonna have a triple and he's not gonna have an RBI. Okay. Run nor triple nor. He might get. He might get a double norby is either. But of that I want to start with is just for the first let's just do the first ten at bats. They face each other though. And then we're re first ten at bats Nelson versus shore, which could take until July. We don't even know if Nelson's going to be a starter if he's gonna be out of the bullpen arriving in the majors at this point on its shores in the lineup that day too, right? But okay. Well, you know, it'll be null. And void if they don't have ten, but they should they should have ten assuming injuries on either side. Right. So okay. So ten I ten at bats Schwarzer versus Nelson Shwe better though, better than two hundred no better than two hundred batting average. No triples. No home runs. No RBI's. Right. He may get a Duggal here there. So something like that. Okay. And that's just kind of a fun one kind of a weird one in kind. Of a way to know K. Yeah. That's kind of a way to put our. I know my dog's going nuts. Put some chips on the table with the two guys that we drive each other nuts with so. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I like that one. That's a phone. We'll we'll track that. We will be definitely watch that. I mean, we we just got a c when Nelson is is pitching. And and it's funny that you pick back because I got my prediction ready. All right. All right and years years is very specifically cubs. Versus brewers this season kind of one. And so as mine good. Yeah. We don't talk about these before the show. We just bring them react. It's more fun that way. Yeah. Yeah. No reason discuss but mine, you know, is the cubs face the brewers. It's the third series of the season. That's right, April fifth sixth and seventh three-game series. I'm just throw it right out there right now cubs. Cubs are going to sweep that series. While so I cannot believe the arrogance. Well, we'll we'll this one. You know, what's fun about this? We're gonna know whether I'm right on this prediction or not. Yeah. I games over. Yeah. It's gonna be brewers win. There goes your prediction. It's going to be well, Jimmy cage. Jimmy location or three times. We'll be we'll often rolling. It'll be good. Oh, it's going to be needed series. I mean, I mean, if you know we're talking about we were joking with the spring training game about one sixty four but really that Friday game on April fifth is is really going to kind of have the feeling of one sixty four. That's you know, I regular season matchup since since that game one sixty three. So it'll be fun. The cubs are going to be have a fire there. They're not going to be treating this. Like, oh, it's, you know, beginning, April and stuff. This is gonna be you know, and I don't think the brewers will either. I mean, this is going to be a pretty heated series. So I'm just going to throw that out there right now and just put put my chips on the table on that. All right to start the season. So that's so that's my prediction cubs. Sweep that series April fifth sixth seventh against the brewers. Oh, I can't wait to laugh at you on the phone. It'll be great. It'll be I you know, I like maybe oh comes win that series two out of three. I'm like that's on bold enough. I'm going for the sweep. All right. Well, one thing I want to say after that to make sure that you go and subscribe at ninety miles podcasts dot com because during these seasons series with the cubs and brewers when there's a specifically close tight hard-fought series. We may do a short half an hour drop podcast out of nowhere just covering the recap of it or maybe possibly a preview at times too. So if you like what you're hearing. And you wanna hear something specific to reactions based on a specific game or specific series. You need to be subscribes. You know, when those things drop because we won't be able to predict them all the time. We'll always do our once a week podcast which will run anywhere from forty five minutes to an hour and fifteen but we wanna do at least one or two or maybe three of these drop shots where we just cover some Bruce cubs. Head to head stuff and talk nothing about. Yes. The cardinals nothing about the pirates nothing. About the history of the clubs and the brewers. We just wanna talk tonight ninety miles podcasts com. Go to the subscribe section and subscribe to the mailing list. Obviously. So you can still subscribe on I tunes to the podcast and all that. But if you subscribe to the mailing list, we'll we'll shoot out emails here. And there when we have new blog posts up, maybe we'll send out an Email if you know, depending on how some of these predictions turn out or any other kind of related things we're going to have some more blogs up on the site as well. So be sure subscribe to the mailing list because we'll let you know when the podcast episodes drop as well. But also that way you can hear when there's other things going on. Exactly. So just a couple of fans trying to have some fun. Join us interact with us, you know, hit us up on that stuff. Go ahead. Comments on a blog. If you like definitely hills on Twitter for sure. Yes. Definitely on Twitter, and yeah. And actually to on that predictions page, and I don't know if you saw this Jesse. But I haven't had a chance to look you just put it up. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There you can comment on that page. So go ahead. And and you know, if anyone wants to go on there and comment on predictions were making predictions that ended up not being true or whatever. Woo. You know, keep those comments rolling all year. So that's right. And we can get right on Ryan's case immediately following game. One of that cubs. Bruce. Awful his predictions are. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the winning that game. Anyway, you can follow me at at brew winning or at Bruecker winning on Twitter. Where are you at again at wraps cubs win. Perfect perfect. So we wanted to transition from our predictions into covering team. We really have not talked about the season that would be the Pittsburgh Pirates. Who sneakily I believe when I don't even have it pulled up. But I believe they were eighty to seventy nine last year. I don't think they played one sixty two I played I think they played one sixty one we wanted to review them a little bit. We haven't talked about them we focused really heavy on Saint Louis because well, they're Saint Louis and then the reds with their up and coming season and offseason what's up with Pittsburgh. Ryan, do you have anything to kind of lead it off with? Well. I mean, you know. Yeah, they were eighty to seventy nine so they're above five hundred club. But of course, that's still put them in fourth place. In the central that was last year in the central got even better. So we'll see, you know. Well, a couple of things we wanted to hit on right away to the Chris Archer trade last season. We didn't have a chance to wrap that that. I thought was a very interesting maneuver they gave up Tyler glass now, Austin meadows, and the player to be named later ended up being a young man named Shane Baz. Who might be the best one of all three when it's all said and done they had all been top one hundred prospects at some point. And that was the go get a guy in Chris Archer that didn't necessarily light things up. Once he came over. I don't know if you've got him pulled up at all. But I know there was a lot of teams in on him last year. No, the brewers were rumored to be in there. Of course, the cubs might have been rumored to be an after him to were. They are not. I don't recall. I don't really recall that. I don't think you guys were looking starting pitching. So it may not have been one that you goes Rafter. We'll call hamels. Oh, yeah. That's what am I. Thinking, of course, which I would obviously rather this isn't the rivalry Cole hamels. How could I forget that? Yeah. But yeah, he he no yet. Well, yeah. All of two thousand eighteen he wasn't particularly good for thirty one ERA. That's four thirty. Four thirty one with Tampa Bay and then four thirty with Pittsburgh consistently. Not good then. Yeah. No, nothing really not give him some credit. He does have a couple of all star appearances twenty fifteen. He had a two nine. Oh, ERA 2017 another all star parents three four area. So the young man, and he's still fairly young is capable of some pretty good stuff. Yeah. It looks like. Then Cy Young voting in that two thousand fifteen season. Clearly there, you know, obviously, Pittsburgh was looking at potential more. So than right. You know, proven talent. So to correct myself, by the way, I'm sorry. I quoted his fifth numbers his area was three two three and four zero seven respectively in fifteen and seventeen. So it's like he's been he hasn't been crazy good. But yeah, there'll be expecting some some more return out of the nice part is I do believe they got some club control out of them. Isn't that? Correct. Yeah. I believe that's correct. I think all remorse control. Definitely the biggest surprise of the deadline at the time. The the pirates went into the all star break hot. They swept Milwaukee five games. The none that was a horrible series to watch. But yeah, the giving up glass, no meadows and Baz. I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to see what Archer does I'm not a fan. I wasn't a fan of the trade at the time. They gave up too much in my opinion. I don't know where your opinion on. It is. Oh, yeah. I mean, it it wasn't that good. But then again, it's like well there, you know, it's crowded enough in the central. So I don't know. I'd I'd rather don't some of the. Pittsburgh and Cincinnati especially saying Louis, unfortunately, they did did the opposite this offseason in greatly improved rather see them, you know, all those teams not improve including the brewers. Well, of course, I mean, that's that's so. So so I mean, I, you know, I don't I it's hard to have a strong positive emotion about another team in the central or well, let me let me give it a go. I've got some things pulled up. I think the pirates actually have a release strong pitching staff in general. You've got Jameson Tyrone who's excellent some electric stuff. He was fourteen and ten with the three to Yari last year. Trevor Williams who doesn't have the same kind of stuff also fourteen and ten but a better area. Three eleven Joe musk grove, Chad, cool and Archer roundout a pretty good rotation. If you look at it Archer might be your number three guy there on a good year grove and cool aren't bad. Guys. You go to the bullpen. They added kion Keila from Kansas City last year to go with sleep a Vasquez who is an all star level closer with some electric stuff. They've got a couple young arms and Kyle creek and Richard Rodriguez that could be very good. I think overall their staff. F- is really it's really set up to do some successful things. They absolutely have the possibility in my opinion to be right around that five hundred Mark again, I don't think they stack up with Milwaukee. I don't think they stack up with Chicago or Saint Louis they look like a fourth place team. But that's mostly due to what I'm seeing from their lineup. If there's some sparks there. And they're over five hundred team, you know, from my perspective. I hope they as snag some games from Saint Louis, and and Milwaukee so and the cubs. Well, not that. But oh. So. Yeah. And I guess since we're talking about pirates and we're talking about transactions. We wanted to just bring up Rama's Ramirez. Oh, yeah. That'd be kind of fun almost bonus seventh inning. But also and Al central breakdown kind of sure right? He's got he's got some pretty legit ninety miles connections. And then, of course, connected to the pirates, of course, to cubs cubs acquired him from the pirates, and he had a great career with the cubs. He was one of my favorite players while he played. He's he's one of the best third baseman that played for the cubs, in fact, Iran ah pull it was while ago month, maybe a month ago or more it was in January sometime. Yeah. Yeah. Greatest cubs third baseman of all time. And he he he got a lot of love. In fact, I think he pulled second on that Ron Santo, of course, is a legend. So sure he got her first. But but Ramirez got a lot of love and Kris Bryant rightfully. Right now got third in that poll. Of course, he's still got more. You know, he's got a play get some more years with the cubs before people to that. But Ramirez, no, he was very solid with the cubs. And but yeah, he went from the pirates to the cubs and then to the brewers. That's right. And they signed him as a free agent. Yeah. Yeah. So I was actually going to ask you how what was he didn't do too bad? He had some decent years there too. He really did. I don't have them pulled up right in front of him pulling them up right now. But I do remember when he came over. It was on a pretty competitive brew team. They're were trying to make some pushes to get towards the playoffs. And in fact, he came in after that twenty eleven season in which I believe Milwaukee ah lost the Saint Louis. Stupid cardinals. And anyway, the twenty eleven season when they're a couple of games shy of the World Series. It came in and followed that up actually batted three hundred you know, he has six hundred thirty plate appearances. He was by no means over the hill playing. I mean, he was thirty four years old. So it wasn't what we used to see some in some of the categories but twenty seven home runs led the league with fifty doubles in two thousand twelve. Yeah. Nine zero one oh PS super big Opie. He's followed it up thirteen with an eight three one PS, which is still really good. Remember my prediction a week ago about six guys over eight hundred plus a part time player over eight hundred. That's a stretch that's hard to do being over eight hundred and Opie S is a very explosive type of batter and year. So yeah, he had a couple of excellent years twenty thirteen it was I think there is some injury plagued things because he only log ninety two games. So got shortened up a bit. But twenty fourteen he went in. As an all star for the brewers. So he's got three all star appearances. You know, thirty three percent of them are with Milwaukee. Which is a great way to tie, the ninety miles podcast together really really a class act guy came to play every day. It wasn't from what I could see brew fan. I don't know how cubs fans felt about them. But I was I was very happy to have them for a couple years. They're a perfect. No cubs fans. Loved ramirez. He was great. You know, and he put up some huge numbers with the cubs to you know, he had four years in a row four to seven. He had nine hundred over nine hundred Opie s for seasons in a row. That's huge. You know, he's always around that three hundred batting average young. Yeah. And then, you know, he really. You know, many quite a few seasons over one hundred RBI is he's always good for, you know, round thirty or so home runs. Yeah. I mean, solid player. You know? It was nice. I remember when he really came to be really started playing regularly at third after a few seasons. You know, he was often brought up. It's like oh the cubs. Finally got a regular third baseman again. They haven't had one since Ron Santo. So and now, hopefully that's the case again with Chris Bryant, we'll see although Kris Bryant could play left to and stuff like that. So yeah. No. But it's not the day of the regular position player so much anymore. But you know. But in any case. Yeah, it'd be fun. It is cool and he gets wrap up as career to he played his recently twenty fifteen for Milwaukee. I it has the season he got shipped over to Pittsburgh got to finish his career with the pirates. If I'm not mistaken, those particular pirates pretty good. I thought it was a playoff push. But now I don't recall one hundred percent, but that's still only a few years ago. Absolutely. A great career for Ramirez. You know, you might be able to make an argument that it was a hall of fame career. We'll wait and see on that. We'll talk about it some other day. But that was the two thousand fifteen pirates which actually yeah, they did make the wildcard along with the cubs and lost that while car game to the cubs. Well, there's that's a wrap on a career. Isn't it you start in Pittsburgh, go to Chicago. That's where you blossom play a little Milwaukee ship back to Pittsburgh and lose the cubs weird. Is that but yeah, that's a that's a great tight up for sure on him. The only other thing that we haven't talked about at all. I just wanna touch on it. Pittsburgh's lineup just briefly. They could use around us Ramirez. They're not strong in the lineup. They've got some guys that get on base. One thing that they do. Well, they don't strike out a lot and with good pitching staff that can go a long ways. I don't suspect that Pittsburgh will be in the wild card hunt. But they do have the staff to be a very they have the staff to be a thorn in everybody's side. So this'll be an interesting season in the central. But yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that actually wraps us up here today. I think so. Yeah, Ramos Ramirez, wrapped little short reverses Nelson. That was a pretty good day. Pretty good day. Talk in baseball couple of fans hanging on. Yeah. So. Yeah. Ninety miles podcast dot com. Gets us on Twitter, and we'll be back again next week. Go Burs cardinal suck. Go cubs cardinals. And the Bruce soccer Cup suck. Cups.

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You must ask. I am going with the alleged mystery girl okay well. Are you a little bit nervous about jumping out of a plane I wasn't we've had had this plan for about three weeks and then this morning and it hit me wow I am jumping out of a plane day fourteen thousand feet up in the air buster. Wow and I've I've I've talked to people who've had that experience and I will not relate to you what they've told me no all right. Let's get the news and notes of the day yesterday. The angels announced that they have fired Brad Awesomeness as their manager after just one year. There are of course ripples with this. Perhaps leading to Joe Mad. We'll we talked about that with BOOB. SHABBY COMING UP RED SOX team President Sam Kennedy said on Monday that keeping Mochi bats. Jd Martinez will be difficult. Data data of course is going to be something that's GonNa play during the course of the offseason with the red sox trying to cut payroll while also attempting to keep Mochi bets before before he reaches free agency in the fall of two thousand twenty today the nationals and the brewers start the two thousand twenty postseason in the Nationally Wildcard L. Card game. Max Scherzer will be starting for the nationals and he talked about the playoff atmosphere. I mean the atmosphere is going to be intense. Nassar has really come out and gaming is dodger's. The crowd was absolutely nuts for those game against the COBB so heartbreaks on both those games you know hopefully tomorrow different starting for the brewers. Brandon Woodruff go through the the playoffs last year and kind of getting that experience. I think it definitely helps just coming in tomorrow and just biggest thing is just taking it just like any other start preparing the same exact way and just going out and just just trying to do all the things you've done the whole year. I think that's the most important thing and just go out and have fun. That's that's the biggest thing that's going to be a fun night. A big crowd obviously seasons online so that's kind of spots spots. I like to be in the Games. I want to the brewers. Craig Counsel talked about managing a one game playoff still think it's about taking advantage of teams strength so that doesn't isn't change in a one game scenario should not change. I don't think it necessarily impacts the game. We have a pretty clear idea of what we'd like to happen sure they do to council has aggressively managed with his bullpen in pass in in last year's playoffs he was asked about how long would rough will pitch well. It's look look at the playoffs so we're. GonNa have no problem pushing them. I'll tell you that how many pitches he's GonNa throw it on no but I don't have any problem pushing them. Nationals Manager Davey Martinez talked talked about Sherzer on watch Max pictures last few outings build up his pitch count felt good every outing. We wash his pen. Monitoring is felt good the other day he threw threw it unbelievable open water better. I've seen so he's ready to go. We're fortunate to have a Max Scherzer pitching the wildcard game so should be a lot of fun the playoffs star today. Let's get to it the man's voice shabby on baseball tonight. Buksh Xiaomi the legend will be at the microphone tonight when the brewers faced the nationals and the national wildcard game and a lot of times when I go into covering a game or a particular series. I have a gut feel like I really believe. It's going to go one way or the other. Do you have a gut feel going into this game. I really we don't I think it's it's an interesting match up. you know for the. I think the thing that's funny. Is You know the managing managing their pen and how they're going to get twenty. Seven outs is probably the first thing on Craig Councils mind but I would say the next thing though is are we going going to score and I'm going to ask him this tonight. 'cause I'm curious but the way things go in terms of baseball season. You've covered it when it gets day in and day out you know they lose. Yelich but after about a couple of days you know then Craig Councils figuring out. How will we get a win today and you don't don't think much about Christian Yelich as well as they played the final stretch but it's not a day in day out man. We don't have Christian Yelich and yet my guess would be you you play eighteen twenty games without Yelich and you just kind of move on and now you're in a one game elimination and my guess would be that today. It kind of starts again. We're Craig counsel sitting there going man. We don't have yellow for this game show. You don't seriously i. That's my guess I might be wrong but I'm GONNA ask him that tonight and I think it turns the nationals look. They're really good really dangerous team. I know that that's a a mainstream opinion but I don't think it makes it any less real when you're talking about you know they're three starting. pitchers are monsters bridge and they are the team. I think that could be the truest threat to the dodgers. That would be my opinion. Yeah I totally agree with you on that right and look. They're gonNA make sure on the mound tonight and in one sense this was a fascinating decision for Dave Martinez but on the other hand. It feels like it was there. There wasn't really any decision to make like if you're around that team and you're around. Max Scherzer then to me was almost by default yeah. If there's one game you need one pitcher to save your life on one day. It's always gonNA be Max Scherzer even if he's not at his absolute best and I tell you what and with all due respect expect to Patrick Corbin who we haven't seen a lot in October Stephen Strasburg. He's had some ups and downs and you don't know exactly what you're going to get you do yeah. No it's a very least and Max is going to be breathing fire made out so I will. I have a hard kind of magic that sure is there comes out and it's just bad I you know I think that even assures are not a great performance. we'll give them the chance to give them a chance. I I mean that would be my assessment that that sort of floor on his performance. is we still have a chance and I think bat I mean that's my opinion but I think that that should give they Martinez some calm. I do think that the road through this particular regular game the wildcard game is more difficult for Greg Council because of how he stitches together pitching as you talked about trying to come up with the the formula where he's going to get through twenty seven outs a couple of things jump out of Boob you and I were talking before we got started. Craig counsel now is one one of the best managers in baseball and he's one of the longest tenured managers in baseball. Yeah it's crazy. I mean you're talking about may early early. May of two thousand fifteen and he has bow the senior manager in terms of tenure the National League which is wild because like my perception. It's still of someone who's kind of new at the GIG and it's just it's where it's changed. I wouldn't disagree with you slightly by the way I think that I I'm I'm not saying it makes them any more of the favorite but I think that relative to this brewers team I think that the single game format sets it's up and and is is easier for Credit Council ben an entire series. You know his main guys obviously woodruff's is best starter and and he's gotten great work at a suitor and Pomeranz and he has hater where there were. His job gets more difficult. Is You know after ten days or whatever and on the night the haters not available on the night. The POMERANZ isn't available so in a in a short series. That's where it can get a little more challenging because you may not have all your. He's got all this dudes tonight so for a single game elimination scenario. I honestly think I I mean I mean. Don't get me wrong. I think that there's probably a good three to four outs that he's still is concerned about but I think for a single game scenario genesee or my point in terms so in terms of what he's gotTa do in a single game as opposed to how it matches up for multiple games so that's just my two cents. Take on that one one hundred percent. I would say I think probably didn't make my point. Well was that day. Martinez gives a ball to Max Scherzer and sits in the dugout way to go max correct. He's going to do that on the other hand at Brandon Woodruff gets off to a rough start a couple guys get on base a pitch count. It goes up you know. Craig counsel is going to bandage aggressively. I Davis GonNa do all right and we'll be talking about the injuries at play here for both these teams coming up. We're going to be speaking with mark. Zuckerman who covers the nationals and Todd Rosiak covers the brewers there was a story in the Washington Post yesterday that the nationals have made an offer to Anthony Ren down one is going to be the premier position player free agent fall according to the post the offers for seven years two hundred ten million base. There's some deferrals he could wind up being worth more than that and as soon as I saw that move my first thought was well he go 'cause this is right out of what we saw. Last year. Where once we got into the postseason the beginning of the offseason there was a story in the post the leaking the fact that the nationals made an offer to Bryce Harper was almost like the team saying we want to know we tried and we're the offer out there and we know that we're not going to be able to sign the guy. What was your reaction yeah similar and to come into my head? One is God rick. Sutcliffe asked me a question that I still think in the vacuum is a fascinating question to ask and that is if you could only sign Garrett Cole or Anthony Ren Dome this off season. Who is your side. I think it's an interesting question just because you know we don't see very many guys. I think that goes coal. It's is is GONNA get some years in his deal and more and more teams are obviously wary of doing that with starting pitchers and you don't have the injury risk the same with the position addition player but the caliber of a coal It's so hard to find and yet you know Ren. Don't as one of the most special position players or do I just I think that it's really interesting and then you know for the nets they they lost bryce Harper but I would also make this point. They were placed Bryce Harper with basically basically bryce harper like Soto is the same thing and you're talking about. You know twenty year old kid. WHO's putting up you know? Oh four hundred. OB P. five hundred plus slug controls the strike zone and he's cost efficient so I know a moving away from the random component but yeah I don't. I don't see him staying. I don't think that this is they're going to engage this and i. I would also say that that that doesn't make sense to me because if you were going to go out this past off season and spend all the money on Corbin I mean you obviously have some type of you know medium medium term vision for this team. What's the point of letting your best position player Scoot after anchoring down. You're pitching staff after that way. It's just SORTA. It's it's kind of weird yeah one thing about this and I have not written this column so this is sort of semi original reporting reporting because I have not run this past down. I've heard from mutual friends of Ren d-o-n that he's not interested in that big really long term deal that what he wants wants is a a really great deal for four or five years so in other words and I'm making numbers up myself. Let's say a four year deal for forty to forty five million dollars a year and then he's going to take it to the ranch right forty five years at forty million that sort of thing he's not interested stood in playing into his late forties our late thirties and a part of the reason. Why I've I've heard this in mutual friends is that you know rent on. WHO's a great guy but Anthony Ran Dome? He has other interests in his life. You know what was a line when you know a few years ago when he talked about baseball. I don't Really Watch baseball. It's boring hiring and said he wants to get a relatively within the Pantheon. The landscape of major free agents of much shorter term deal deal for more money. Which is why there's been a lot of industry speculation that it might wind up at some point going with the dodgers because that fits what they look to do? What do you think about all that was one thing that makes sense they did with Bruce. It's what they did with Bryce Harper. I mean they made a legitimate offer for Bryce Harper. They made him. They basically made him. I am the offer that you just said the dodgers did for Bryce Harper so yeah that one's interesting the other thing you know to back up what you're talking about in terms of random the way to do say take it to the ranch because he went to right yeah. I did these from yeah. He's from Texas. I did it on purpose for on. Okay Yeah so I and then I mean you remember the highlight secrets against the mets but I'm not positive or he steps out of the box with just one foot. He keeps back what in a box but he steps out and the camera closes in on him and they get him in the middle of fat in mid whole yawn the biology of that with I don't care if it's game eighty six and nothing's ha like the Adrenalin of actually hitting to be able to muster an actual yawn in the middle of an at bat is incredible and tells tells you a lot about Anthony Ren don't and just sort of like where his heart rate sits. I would say so I still I I I had that visual in my head all the time well and I think you would agree with me on this if he prefers to play till he's thirty four and walks away rather than trying to play till he's thirty eight. Hey Hey more power to them right. Tibia cabinet do what he wants. That's what he prefers to do. It's totally fine all right. Let's get to some of the news that we've seen the last couple of days as the angels firebrand awesomeness yesterday's manager one year into a three year deal and it comes the day after the cubs announced the Joel Madden's out. I would be shocked if Joe Madden does it wind up with the angels based on what I've heard about how much already Merano likes him appreciates him. He spent years in their organization. As a coach. I think the firing of offices sort of ridiculous like one year into it given all the pitching challenges that they had you the tragic death of Tyler skaggs during the course of the year to evaluate him on that one year seems absurd to me but this is assuming owner driven gribbon decision. What do you think I would agree that. It would seem that that's where Joe Madden is is headed. you know the. I two made made my thought would be that. Joe's landing spots are somewhat limited because he wants to get paid then today's or that's my and in today's world a quarter of the managers make less than a million dollars which is which is amazing. I would tell you this on the bread awesome thing. I liked Brad. I didn't think I didn't love that higher to begin with. I don't feel like there was anything about the way he handled his time. In Detroit. That would've made aide you know he was next billy per sitting out a season and I'm sure that that influenced it but I didn't feel like there was anything that took place during his time with Detroit choice. That would make me think yeah. That's that's the guy that I want so i. I didn't love the higher I personally so even if it's not Joe Madden I I would say look if you if you hire a guy and fire him after one year even if you don't get Joe Madden there's a problem with your process. There's no question but I I didn't love the higher I would. I would tell you that book. The cubs are early in the process assists picking their next manager. I'm hearing a lot about the possibility of the Mark Loretta could be a serious candidate there someone who was installed as bench coach for this year and of course our friend and colleague. Ali David Ross his name has popped up and if Rossi ever asked me and there's no reason why you would ever do that. I would advise him. Look if this is what you WANNA do some day in in your life. If you want to be a manager you might want to jump into the arena as soon as you possibly can read on the Cup Situation Book. I think you name the two guys that at least at the start that they're considering most closely Mark Loretta has the legitimate shot you know they wouldn't have hired him as the bench coach in that spot on. I think that they liked him so I think that he should get an interview. I'm guessing David Ross well as well Oh. I don't know whether it'll be brought up there. I do think that if they're looking for something from their next manager I think they're I. I think they're looking for a guy that every once in a while is going to put the hammer down and it's not like discipline in like the classic old school sense but just from the standpoint of like yes sometimes the players are wrong and the manager needs to tell the players that they're wrong and I think that that's that and I mean edited broad-based sense turns them how they go about their preparation or in game or whatever just every once in a while stuff like that needs to be said and I think think that's what the Oh felt. Theo Epstein felt like SORTA got away David Ross even though these guys that he played with and their teammates I've worked enough with David Ross and you know in in baseball terms they jokingly they talk about you know you've heard the term charm buster of course and it's sneaking pop you know for a guy that's got power and you don't really realize he's got power. You know it's sort of sneak attack pop and try to your ability to bleep because I'd like to use the word that I wanNA use like yeah so like so. My Scouting Report on David Rossi's sneaky toll everybody. Stephen Ross is the nicest guy in the planet. He's not even losses sneaky. Dole he you you know he's smiles and charming and all about but David Russell have no problem you saw the way that he would bark at John. Lester would have no problem getting Brian Space by taste results face and put the hammer down when needed and I know that that's not the only component to this job and if they hire him they will need to hire air emissions for all of them. I would say if you hire him then I. I'm not sure you so you have to have a bench coach next to him. That is really really that the team feels is really locked in on game tactics so oh that that's my that's my feeling in terms of that and that's not a knockout. I think that that every first year manager you need someone a little. Oh more yeah J- Jim Riggleman type. WHO's sitting next to you that has you know watched every single permutation play out and has I just thought it it's it's Cetera so yeah I would agree with you on that and someone as you were talking about sneaky pop thing you know who else is like that our friend Aaron Boone Own Right. That's exactly right and core and our core as well it. There's a little bit a little bit of that so there you go there. You go all right legend have fun tonight. I'm a great call tomorrow busker. I'll be watching you guys and yeah we'll be on. ESPN radio the call all tonight and a wildcard Jim Bowdoin before we speak with Sarah Lang's. Do you ever feel like ticketing. Websites may get into the event difficult on purpose. It's as if they're so big they can can get away with not caring about the customer experience. The real question is how easy would it be if those ticketing sites actually cared with millions of live event tickets price-match guarantee seeking proves. 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I feel like because of how those two teams handle their pitching staff everything else. It's just so difficult to know what is going to happen there and it feels like something where you know if the game gets away from either team earn early innings that could decide it or we could see you know them battling it out and be scoreless up until the seventh or something like that and I'm really excited for this game tonight because either we're going to see. Max Sherzer be back like he was at the beginning of the year and maybe we'll finally see the nationals nationals advance which I would just absolutely love to see from the baseball standpoint or we're GONNA see this brewers team that has been even more beat up than losing Christian Yelich if that that was even possible we saw with Lorenzo Cain and Ryan Braun being out over the weekend like if they can pieces together with Brandon Woodruff Reliever last year I mean I feel like they're so so up for grabs a hundred percent royal. Let's play the numbers game number three number three is four so the nationals franchise including the Expos has lost four straight winner take all postseason games beginning with the Nineteen eighty-one and lcs damn five and a best of five that year so then they lost in two thousand twelve twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen and LDS game fives those at home and they're four straight winner take call game losses is tied for the third longest such streak in MLB history. The longest streak is an active one and that will come into plan Wednesday. It's the as at Eighth Street and the four straight winner take all game losses at home is tied for the second longest such streak all time and the as again have the only longer straight at five straight great number two number two is zero so Max Scherzer had a scoreless start in his first career postseason appearance in game two of the LDS Ds against the Yankees in twenty eleven when he was on the Tigers. He went six innings. He allowed two hits and no runs but since then he's allowed at least one running each of his his fifteen postseason outings twelve of which have been starts his a four zero three era in that span in the postseason and of course he is three ten K. postseason games in that span but the most recent of those was a thirteen k outing in game two in two thousand thirteen so you know we haven't quite seen the masters or that wins those Cy Young Awards awards strikes out twenty batters in the postseason lately some really interested to see if he shows up tonight number one number one thousand nine hundred and six so the brewers. I went one thousand nine hundred six over their final twenty five games this year tied for their best final twenty five game stretch to end any season in franchise history and the other year her when they did that was all the way back last year in two thousand eighteen. Obviously that year ended with an S. appearance game seven so it went pretty well for them but this team is pretty the hurt in a different spot but you know it's interesting you know they went four and two against nationals this year including that fourteen inning win against nationals where they won fifteen fourteen fourteen. Sean doolittle out three home runs back and forth game with Josh Hader and everybody so you know I'm really interested to see. I almost wish we got a series between these two because I think it would be really fascinating fascinating. It would be fascinating. Are you at an airport on your way out here to the west coast I am. I'm so sorry you can hear everything can't you. That's okay. We're we're used to the baggage. Claim days travel safe zero see you tonight at our meeting sounds good. Thank you so much faster long. They stole are found in the advocates curse. It is are just very eight. Clinton head keeps spinning aw scary really scary missing out on GEICO's easy to use the mobile APP. You can manage your fico policy. Whenever Laver look we can just bury deepen the growth geico we download the industry-leading GEICO APP today brewers red hot on the nationals Max Scherzer out there for the National Braun healthy already yell out. It's going to be up hill battle for the brewer in the nationally wildcard game tonight. Rosaiah covers the Milwaukee Brewers for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and Todd obviously one of the big questions for the brewers and it has been for the better part of the last month the injuries what's the latest to your understanding about Lorenzo Cain and about out Ryan Braun have been so important in stepping up in the aftermath of Christian Yelich his injury yeah right now. Lorenzo Cain is going to be a game time. Decision looks like Komo contest yesterday in the workout but still obviously is not running one hundred percent you gotta you gotta tip your hat to the guy because he's been playing essentially on one leg for the last month plus he's got a bad knee and also in that same leg and then he hurt his ankle on that at slide in in the home in Denver over the weekend and it takes a lot to get that Guy Outta the lineup he's played through a ton of stuff this year you know kind of the heart and soul sold that team the heart and soul that lineup and you know he wants to play like crazy tonight but it doesn't do much good is good as he is to put him out in center field. If you can't can't rolling the way he normally does so. It'll be interesting to see in batting practice and beforehand kind of what you know what they decide there but if you can go he's he's obviously. GonNa try to go Ryan Braun with the cast strain little bit better position with him but it's also an injury. That's caused him some grief in in the past and that's the thing it's Kinda worth monitoring here whether or not he's GonNa be able to to make it through a complete game so you got him. The question Mark Lorenzo Cain is the question mark. That's obviously going to factor into the way the brewers decide to construct their roster because you need honestly adequate backups for both those guys that they can't make it through the game so you came to me. You know huge huge part of that lineup. He loved to get them in there but if you can't if you can't Komo Centerfield like he does I would expect either trend Grisham or Ben Gamble out there. No it's not living stick him at first base and he's he's not affecting anything to be a center fielder have leg injuries at that's going to be concerned in light of all that then who do you think is absolutely key. Guy In their lineup for tonight's game. I'll give you two guys. Mike move stockists in Yeahs Monte Grondahl. both of those guys have been real steady steadying influences veteran and guys obviously been around the game for a long time and both produced. Moose DACAS and injured is off. Both have you know I was world series experience and both of those guys have really solidified the middle that lining up with Christian Yelich being out again with all these other injuries so those two guys to me have to set the tone. Max Scherzer is going to obviously be a huge challenge for that lineup and a and for those guys so you know. GRONDAHL has been very interesting. I think watch this year with his with his plate discipline showing some discipline that he's had that he has until over the course of his career with one hundred plus walks and move stock focus you know he's been out of the lineup with injuries as well. I put him in the came category just a tough guy who just refuses to to go down to injury. just wants to be in there at all times. He's had a tremendously productive year as well so the brewers the win this game the big games from both of those guys tonight if the brewers have an advantage in this game and I think the nationals with the depth of their lineup potentially assures her on the mound. Maybe that's where their advantages are for. The brewers feels like just watching them in recent weeks. If the nationals tonight are playing with heart rates at one hundred and twenty the brewers are playing at seventy five because it's his two straight years of this stuff todd God where they have to play like crazy down the stretch in chaos and it's mayhem and they've got injuries. They are accustomed to that. That sort of situation seems to happen every day for them that to me would be their advantage irks experience that they've had what do you think yeah. I agree buster and it all starts at the top Craig Counsel Agree Very steadying influence in that dugout obviously it all as a player was was through some huge moments and he just he he kinda keeps that heart rate low. I guess that correct apart that correct the collective heart rate low in the clubhouse nothing relief as the Guy just so even kills and you've got guys like I said stock as Kane and there who have been through the big moments as well in the end they set the tone too so you know last year little little bit different but they did make that match charts to get into the postseason and then wound up a game away from the world series this to me has been even a better story because of the fact that it really you know September first rolls around there. Nobody was thinking these guys are. GonNa make the playoffs. The you know the way the pitching was going and you know they made a couple under the radar trade pickups at the deadline which prominent pomeranz Jordan lyles very underwhelming on paper but all of a sudden those two guys are among their the best players heading into this wildcard game so you got a good mix of a veteran guys young guys who haven't necessarily done it before but are not really wide eyed and Craig counsel kind of pulling the levers there. You know we're talking yesterday about a manager of the year you know. Can you base that vote on one month. you know maybe. Craig Counsel deserves to be in consideration for the way he's managed his team and really manage this bullpen in the last month to get him into this position so yeah. I think you're completely wrong buster tonight. You should be playing you know obviously to try to move ahead layoffs here but certainly not wide item and you know expecting everything everything to go their way because it really has one of course this month yeah. I'm relieved. I don't have the responsibility of picking the National League manager after the year because that would be a tough choice todd. Thanks for doing this. You GotTa Bust through my pleasure. WHAT MAKES US nationals team dangerous. You got match for little Throw in the wildcard game. Here's here's the wind visor. swigging busy struck him out. Also in this lineup field align drive two run home run on the line. We know it's one of your home at one point. Nationals had a record of nineteen and thirty one and they seem to be out of it but they came storming back. They're hosting to wildcard game tonight and we're talking with with Mark Zuckerman who covers the nationals for mass in sports and bark. I'm curious from the outside looking at the beginning of September the question of who was going to start start. This game was an interesting one. Dave Martinez picks Max Scherzer internally. was there ever any serious debate. I think internally internally not a whole lot once they knew that Max Selfie and they needed to see that straight through his last couple of starts I think once they knew he was healthy they were. They were confident that he was gonna be the guy now they had it set up all along where Stephen Strasburg could start this game as well. either sure wasn't all the way back or honestly if they needed him to pitch game one sixty two 163 'cause there was still a chance that was going to happen as recently as you know about a week ten days ago but I think internally they felt like once. They knew he was good. His last two starts the final. Pitching lines were little misleading. He looked great. He looked like the elite Max Max Scherzer. He was burned by a couple of big home runs which is sometimes a problem for him and then a ball that one soda lost in the Sun in Saint Louis that that kind of spoiled world and we should have been a one two three and four but if you just look at the way he pitched. He looked like his old self. I think that's why they believe hey. The three time Cy Young Award winner probably a future her hall of Famer. He's the guy on this team so he's going to be the one to start the game tonight. They had so many problems with their bullpen early in the year as we go into the postseason and you and you know better than I that bullpens can be so volatile while what's the state of their bullpen. What where do you think they stand now well. I think there are two guys that they definitely trust and that's Daniel. Hudson been outstanding really since the guy from Toronto at the trade deadline and it's sort of taking over the closer's role especially while Sean doolittle was working back from his own issues and do a little himself has been a lot better last few times out looking more like himself and so so I think those are the two they trust and they're willing to mix and match with them based on match ups if the lefties are getting you know in the seventh or eighth the go to do little bear and and use Hudson after that the other way around they can save doodle for the ninth once if they advance and they get to a five game series obviously you're GonNa have start relying on some other guys like Fernando Rodney and wander swear who've been great at times. I'm an awful at times the interesting thing to me about tonight before they can never get anywhere or else. is they have the ability potentially to get through this game without using any relievers besides too little and Hudson if Dedi Martinez willing to go Stephen Strasburg and Patrick Morgan has the bridge between shares. Are those guys the back end. They're going to be on the roster. They're available. They've tried to set this up to be able to do that if they want to. Do it to me. If you're seeing is on the line tonight you gotta go down with your best guys and Strasbourg and Corbin for ending a piece are better options than those other guys in the bullpen. We've spent a lot of time this summer talking about you know the Great Yankees lineup the Astros lineup even the red SOx lineup in a year in which they didn't make the post season. They piled up a lot of runs the dodgers this is the part of the nationals team that I think that a casual fan doesn't understand is so good is a depth of this Washington lineup. You see a day in and day out. What do you think yeah yeah. No I agree one hundred percent of the one knock on them as they can be a little inconsistent though half these nights where there's nothing's going for them and they get a toll one run on four hits or something like that but more often than not especially in the second half of the year they are relentless lineup with a Lotta ops. That's not always the same group one through eight. I'm I'm expecting tonight. That's going to be how Kendrick at first base batting fifth he had one of the most underrated seasons ever because he not an everyday player at this point in his career he didn't in qualify for any the league leaders anything like that these hidden like three forty five fifteen homers in as a part time player he's been so good in so clutch for them and when he hits shift behind Ren Donen Soto who are as good as three four Combo in the week. I believe it it. It just provides so many opportunities for remedies such a threat there to give you a quality back as Drubel Cabrera was a midseason scrap heap pickup in early August. They had some injuries than somebody who still gap Yep. He wound up becoming basically their everyday second. Baseman and it's been incredibly clutch for them. more. RB is in games played for the nationals so that's big for with them. Hitting sick Kurt Suzuki has been very good catching and he's healthy again so top to bottom that they can beat a lot of different ways. They have steed. They have the guys we have for power. They have guys who can work at bats and with everybody healthy. They're gonNA have a bench as well. Matt Adams Right Zimmerman are far Brian Dosier. It's daily plays this right. He's going to have the ability to dictate. The match ups late in this game. Which is where you always WANNA be. If your manager yeah and Buksh Ambi- said that if the nationals get through this game they may represent the truest and most serious threat to the dodgers. We move forward all right mark. Thanks for doing this. Thank you buster the Bleacher tweets Gloucester pleads for you on this special and a wildcard day first one comes from Michael Tasr Glitz at Michael. Ath- you constantly remind us about might trout's greatness. Is it good for baseball that the best players locked on the angels he finishes the two hundred nineteenth season having played on three October Games since twenty seven debut and starts twenty twenty with another new manager. I think angels are going to be better like they've gotten out from underneath so much debt farm system's gotten better. I think they're going to make big moves during the course of this off season and they may one of the big moves maybe hiring Joel. Madden and I think he'd be a good manager for trout. I think they'd be a great team together. I actually think moving forward. They're in a good place. Yeah I agree next one comes from waddle waddle title the as have the best record since June sixteenth won the season series against both the Astros in Yankees and have fresh young lefties that came off the D. L. to help their elite season push. Why aren't we talking about the as more we've been talking about that stuff troy back me up on that. We've been talking about how dangerous we think. Oakland is the corals talked about how dangerous as an raison we we rank them highly in our power ten very high as one hundred percent. I absolutely think if they win this series. It wouldn't shock me. If they beat the Astros. We talked about that. They want six or last eight games against them. Exactly you cannot discount them. Mark Harper at Mark Harbor Thirty six. I understand your Don Alvarez is going to justifiably when Al Rookie of the year but I don't understand why human has doesn't get more love love you finishes with more home runs and Rbi than Alvarez and was on a holy terror in the second half. What are your thoughts buster all right so the slash line for your done. Alvarez says three thirteen average four twelve on base percentage in six fifty five slugging percentage Eloy Jimenez whose terrific player and he's going going to be going forward. He's batting average almost fifty points lower. He's on base percentage was almost one hundred points lower and slugging percentage was one hundred forty points lower so a lot. Hey Aloi going forward. You're excited about him. The white sox have every reason to be excited about him but you're Alvarez this year absolutely foreign away the best rookie and he should win that award unanimously another Tweet From Sports Fan Aka at Sports Fan Aka one. The mariners have once again missed the postseason what have been their biggest issues. It seems like they rarely have any prospects workout and if they do they're playing on a different team. I think their issues are at the macro level where it feels like the the big picture plan doesn't match up with a short term needs like when Jerry Dipoto took over as general manager he was trying to win it. The big league level while also rebuilding at the minor league level and they didn't make a lot of progress in either direction there because he kept on and look he worked for people and that's the plan that they wanted he used some of the minor league resources to try to boost the major league team and they had a good team but they didn't have a team that was good enough to make the postseason if at least now they have a plan and whether you call it rebuilding or at least they're trying to build towards something collectively throughout the entire organization as opposed to what they did. You know three or four years ago so I've got a treat for you for me buster so I was listening to a podcast this morning when my favorite ones that does south beach sessions host by Dan untarred and he he had on Washington State football head coach Mike Leach who is one of the craziest guys out there. He was talking about his pet. Raccoon thought a bunch of weird stories. I'm wondering WHO's the most Z. centric manager or baseball person that you've ever covered eccentric manager while let me think about that and get back to you want to give you really really good answer. I some things jump to mind today but I wanna give you really good answer okay. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Thank you for the Bleacher tweets this morning. Keep them coming every day. All throughout the playoffs use the Hashtag bleacher tweets. We're GONNA talk about troy jumping out of a plane. Did he jumped out of the zone. My thanks today to Todd Rosiak Mark Zuckerman Sarah Airlines Buksh Ambien Detroit Farkas. Producers podcast have a great day everybody and enjoy the play offs tonight. Thanks for listening to baseball tonight podcast. If you're playing fantasy I see baseball. Don't forget to listen to the fantasy focus podcast checkout all podcasts E._S._P._N. Dot Com slash pod center baseball tonight the PODCAST.

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Ep. 2: High Expectations, PECOTA, Lineup, 1957 Cubs and Braves, Goldschmidt

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Ep. 2: High Expectations, PECOTA, Lineup, 1957 Cubs and Braves, Goldschmidt

"Woah to. Welcome to the new best rivalry in baseball. All right. So we're back for episode number two ninety miles podcast covering strictly brewers and cubs ninety miles from Wrigley to Miller park. This is Jesse. I'm over here. Ryan are you with the I'm here? Yeah. Welcome to the new the next episode. Yeah. Welcome everybody. It's gonna be fun as we talked about last time. It's all about brewers cubs. We kind of covered that a bit today what we wanted to focus on a little bit. Because there's been some moves, you know, specifically the Bruce picking up Mike moussaka. So we wanted to hit a little bit of a lineup projection. Speaking of projections to I heard the I heard pagoda seem to have something pretty accurate for the cubs. Is that accurate? Oh, not not even close to accurate will obviously be talking about that. That's no, it's ridiculous. It's pretty ridiculous. I, you know, there's just no way thought it looked pretty pretty normal. I thought, you know, especially after moussaka stocks. They knocked a couple more winds off for the cubs. But we'll get into that more. What we really wanted to touch on today was kinda Delvin in and looking at these two clubs lineups these two clubs. I believe are going to be pretty darn stacked. How do you feel about your cubs lineup? I feel pretty good. I mean, there's a couple of question marks in some of the players that maybe underperformed a little bit last season. And also some that are on the cusp of of a potential breakout. And also, you know, a continuation of real solid seasons that last year in particular Byas. So I think in that all kinda ties to another piece we're gonna talk about as well, which will will dive into his regression progression to the mean. We're gonna talk about. Yeah. Because. Yep. Yeah. I think so you look at guys like bias brewer fans are gonna argue he way over performed probably won't match that again cubs fans argue there's no way yelich does that again. It's the first time. Oh, yeah. That no gonna be it's going to be interesting. And with fans, it's it's one of those things they start seeing these things they want to predict what's best for their team you project onto the opponent that the guys that did real well for you last year can't possibly match that meanwhile, we always liked to ignore the guys that underperformed on the opposing squad while we talk up our guys that stunk. You know what I mean? So you start looking at for me on my side the brewers lineup. Cain yellow bronze Shah, a yeller grand. All new stocks are see something like that is what is probably gonna shake out to being your starters. If you're a cubs fan, you want to say, there's no way Cain. Does that again? No, no. There's no way yellowish does. Absolutely not. With the LX that's an anomaly, but I wouldn't say that you know, as a fan base coming over from the Marlins park. He would hit for more power. He absolutely did his swing became grooved towards the end of the year. Absolutely. Do I hit him to expect them to hit? What was it three twenty six again? Probably not. Okay. So there could be some regression there. But Nord what gets obviously ignored by a lot of people. Is guys like Orlando arsia? He struggled all season last year until the last month he at three regular season home runs. I believe including didn't he hit one in the 163 game. Anyway, he three postseason home runs. The guy is capable two years ago. He hit fifteen home runs batted somewhere in the two seventies. If you're a cubs fan, you're looking at her Orlando or you're saying light hitting shortstop he can't come back from that. Well, the guy spent the first half of the season around them in does align but still managed to finish to thirty six. Now. I actually like I like that you're bringing up maybe someone that you think is is still underperforming. That's more interesting. It's almost like you're conceding that other players did over perform, so. Oh, I'm not conceding. No, no. No. No, no. You know, we aren't relying on somebody like Kris Bryant to have a great season this year. Oh, I think our lineup is deep enough that we don't have to have one guy come back and perform like he did two years ago before he got well, you know, what I'm saying. I'm just but you got to remember the comes didn't have a bad season last year. They won they won ninety years. Yeah. Yeah. And that's without Kris Bryant, so and and I'm not talking about Kris Bryant needing to overperform just talking about performing normal at nor his to you know, progressing to his mean, which is certainly higher than what he did last year. Are you be so, yeah, I would think so. Well, so you how do you see the top portion of that lineup shaking out? How do you see it coming together Bryant Rizzo by as I mean, they're the meat of the order. No doubts. That's going to be probably two three four would be my guest many games by as being I wouldn't say he's a huge question Mark because although he really did great last year. It wasn't it. It was just a the slightest tweak to what he normally has done before. So I kinda see it as his his evolution his natural evolution. So I I would say it's not unreasonable to say he'll perform similar this season. You know, whether he matches it or slightly below it even slightly below would be incredible, especially if you got a healthy Kris Bryant in there. So you know, I think the big question Mark is leadoff leadoff hitter. Which of course for the cubs. That's been been the case for a few years. You know, two thousand sixteen we had Dexter Fowler. Had a great season there. Then he went to Saint Louis, and and was terrible. Which is fine. Well, yeah, I mean, sucking is contagious and Saint Louis. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at least we can agree on that. But so it's hard to say, you know, I think mad and he likes to really play with his lineup. I hope he doesn't as much as he did last season or actually as much as he had to last season given the injuries. But I think Ben's Ober might be up there a lot. I I like him. He had a great year last year as long as if if he can just eke out one more season like that. I mean, he's getting up there in age at this point. But but he really had a good good year last year. And he's he's a good patient. You know veteran hitter. And I'd like to see him see him at the top of the order. I think the other question Mark two other players on. The cubs lineup that you know, I think underperformed last season or just haven't quite broke out to their potential, and that would be caused Schwarzer and Willson Contreras had an off year last year. I think if you know if they they kind of well contraire skits cut back on track what he had done before. And if shorter breaks out, I just think he really got derailed with that injury and missing a season. And. He's I think Schwarzer still dude needs to be in the American League. And playing h he he's new I I don't think your argument for that. Is that he's not that good of an outfielder? But I would argue he he's got a good arm. He's got a good arm mecca. He's got a good arm, and he actually played at average level. If you look at the stats is fielding stats. He played at average outfield. Now if you couple that with. Real good real good offense. You know? I think he could break out quite a bit of yet to see he's he's a very patient hitter. I mean, he has a great OB percentage. He'll take walks is batting average wasn't what I would like to see last season. But when it wasn't. Let's see it was like to. I just had that up here. I want to get really sorry. Number two, thirty eight he batted two thirty eight. He had three fifty six base percentage, though. And he was he was still good for twenty six home runs, sixty one RBI's. So okay. So I mean, I it's it's sort of like, you know, he's got the patience. He he's got the I think he just need a capitalize. What he's swinging the bad, you know, little more. And and I you know, I could I still see some good things happening. And I don't I don't agree with a lot of people saying that he's a liability and outfield. He really he really was at average numbers for most fielders now. Yeah, I'm going to agree with you is not an exceptional outfielder. He's probably not going to win and go glove. But yeah, no. He's not going to he's was much as a lot of other players would. Out there. Yeah. I mean, you're fielding percentage is don't always take into account lets you get into the advanced metrics ho few balls you're getting to in comparison to somebody. That's got a little more speed. Yeah. But I think you know, his numbers still still are at average. He has a great arm. So he he does get those, you know, make some plays there. And then when you couple that with twenty thirty home runs and sixty or more Rb is, you know, I I don't I'm not as much, you know, along the lines of him needing to be DHA in the AL. I think I mean, there's there's not much more tie. I mean for him to really he's gotta start putting it together Scott start executing at a higher level. But I think there's he's at maybe at some kind of a threshold. I think he really got set back by that knee injury that took him out for for a year. So let's see what happens this, you're so. Yeah. Well, you. Wanna talk about him progressing towards a higher mean? Right. You're. Yeah. Scheduling in that we haven't seen the ton of evidence for I'm just saying. Yeah, there he has capabilities, but you're you're projecting him to be better than he has performed previously. And you're hoping for an explosion of them. Right. So many years in that top five or six do expect to have that happen without other guys coming down. Where's your progression toward his higher mean? Well, his regression candidates. Well, I think shorebridge isn't, you know, isn't so much an example of a progression to a mean, but rather an evolution. As a player a growth as a player, you know, which is which is a little different view towards establishing. What his true mean is? And I guess that's getting into so jacking a little bit. But yeah, no, you're projecting. And that's the thing is we like to project for own players to improve and make these improvements because we see the talent there, we see the ability there, and then we like to turn around and tell other teams your guys can't come back from that. Right. That's what I was getting at his fans, we always sees things very rosy for. But we won't admit other teams can do better. Right. Oh, yeah. Let's be lucky to hit hit three ten. Lucky to hit three. Okay. Let me let me pull something up here. Okay. Christian yelich Christian yelich career numbers has three seventy five on base percentage has to ninety seven batting average. And that's going to include some years in Miami. Where he wasn't that great. His batting average was two eighty two and seventeen to ninety eight and sixteen three hundred twenty fifteen right. You might be right. So where where's behind accurate for him? Does that so? Yeah, that's that's regressing to the mean. I would agree. But what isn't being taken into account is the improvements in this lineup. Top to bottom. Right. When Lorenzo Cain came over on that same day that yellow did he was told you're going to be our leadoff guy. And that's where his numbers improved. Right. So he knew what his role was being would be in Kansas City. He had a little bit of a different role. He wasn't usually in. The he wasn't always in the leadoff spot. He spent time there, but he'd hit three hundred twenty seventeen to eighty seven and sixteen three. Oh, seven and fifteen. So his three oh eight is not an abnormality for him by any stretch, his three ninety five on base percentage was an increase right? Maybe that dips a little bit. But the thing about it is he's setting the table and came in with a role where he's taking pitches to hit in front of yellow to hit in front. Lebron's shaw. Ayar. These are all guys that are capable of hitting for high average. Now Shah an egg egg hit two seventy five Shah, maybe he's more of a two fifty hitter. But then you. Add the death of lineup grand all move stock. As two guys that leave him around to fifty. There's literally seven guys in this lineup possibly eight. That are capable of hitting twenty home runs. This is a deep deep lineup. And it's got interchangeable parts that can be moved around. I'm really excited about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even if there's regression I don't care if regression from Canaan yelich because I expect for Gretchen from Bron come up from two fifty two a career three hundred hitter dang near and he's jesting swing. He's gonna hit for more power this year. I suspect Shah actually headed down here. Nobody in cubs land is actually looking at Shaw having been down not so much up, and you replace Pena's numbers with grand dolls, and all of a sudden, you've got a lot of pop, and then I expect our SIA to pick up some of the slack instead of being a two thirty six guy or a two seventy six guy that he was two years ago to fifty out of him perfect with that gold glove kind of caliber shortstop I'm pumped about this line. Oh, yeah. Well, no that that's fine. I mean, I, you know, and I guess that might bring us to talking about who has the better lineup, which I think, obviously it's going to be pretty obvious. Who would opinions we're going to have on that? But I mean, I think the cubs like like the brewers have a lot of interchangeable pieces as well. Alba elbow Maura. You know is another one Jason Heyward. I didn't even bring up. I mean, he did hit two seventy last season. His on base wasn't as as high as I'd like. But you know, I he's continuing to two things the first yet a good first half last year. And if he can dial that back in and then he Ian, have Ian hap-, I think as a lot of potential as well, he could he could really break out. He's he's pretty young still. But he's he's a real good hitter. I think, you know, fix evolving rights, and yeah. Yeah. And rizzo. I I don't even need to talk about Rizzo. He's he's solid as a rock season after season. So you know, he'll he'll continue to kind of anchor the lineup. And and so I mean if Bryant is healthy and has a normal season for him at his mean, you know, that he's established as a as an MVP. You know, which that's his mean being of course, not quite that high. But somewhere, you know, the mean of his season by season performance. He's gonna progress if he's healthy he's gonna he's gonna perform more Rizzo. You know, he performs at his mean almost year after year. So so that could be expected yet again. And then by as I think like I said, I mean, the I don't think last year was a fluke. I I don't either. I just wanted to give you some crap. Okay. Well, that's no don't expect him to be. I wouldn't expect the same level. Every year could go down a little bit just like yelich probably will a little bit. I don't expect it to be. You can't have an MVP caliber season. You're after year after year typically, that's pretty rare. Well, I mean, he he even though he had such a breakout eerie mostly it was kind of because it was not as expected. But in a way, you know, he he didn't have like a, you know, a low everyone away, you know, kind of a year. I mean, he let's see he did he batted two ninety OBT was still low three twenty six. Hundred sixty seven strikeouts. That's obviously something there. He's gotta work on he hit thirty four home. Runs hundred eleven RBI's. You know? So I mean, it's. I think looking at him specifically, it was huge. But it wasn't. I mean, I think he has even bigger seasons in him in his your weather. That's not. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I definitely think. So whether it's this season or in another year or two I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, you know, he's twenty five years old. So yes, that is young and yelich isn't much older than him. And yelich ding near won a triple crown last year too. I don't expect the triple crown type level every year. What you're saying to me is by was close to that to other than the batting average was low. I I don't know how you can expect more out of him is there room for girls. Sure, I suppose I mean if he's going to turn into a hall of fame caliber guy, which isn't impossible. Well, I mean better than last year seems push. Yelich? I'm not necessarily saying better than has to come down. Okay. Continue sarah. I'm not necessarily saying better than last year. I'm just saying I think similar around the same slightly better slightly worse. But in that same kinda area I in if if he can improve his on-base percentage than than definitely better. I mean, he isn't a bad batting average. I'm okay with two ninety. It's more the strikeouts. That's something, you know. And I know I know he's interviews. He said, you know, that's he's well aware that something that that he's working on. So he's he's trying to get the patience and the mentality to not get overly aggressive and chase stuff that he knows. He can't hit that you know, his weak spots. You know that pitchers are continued to try to explain but even as much as they try to exploit him last year. He still hit two ninety. But yeah, if if he was we'll see what happens. Exactly we will. And it's going to be a good time. So in the end, you seriously gonna tell me that you think the cubs have the better lineup. I think the brewers obviously have the better lineup. Now, you can argue some things about you know, they're talking about moose stock us at second base. Which is interesting to say, the least, and it's something we're gonna get into much more later in spring as things shakeout show or moussaka second. How much does it really hurt? You these two managers though, they're both tinkerers they both like toy with the lineup. They're going to be doing a lot of double switching and the bench that these two clubs have our deep. Where's I I'm projecting? Something like a Kanye bronze Shaw granddaughter moussaka see type lineup. What are you projecting for the cubs? Because I want to hear your concept on wear. The cubs are actually better than the brews in that lineup. As far as do. We want to go by spot buy spot in the order, maybe not necessarily. I'm just I'm just wondering I think the brewers have well Bryan potentially the best lineup in nationally Ryan Rizzo by as two three four. Okay. I wanna focus through three. Let's look at two three four that those are fairly that's fairly likely, and let's talk about two three four Bryant Rizzo Byas. And and who who did you say you're projecting to three or four for the brewers? I'm probably looking at yelich bronze Shaw, but Bron can be flipped with Eddie Laar in the five hole. So it could be something like yelich egg Yarsha. Yeah. We think we know. We may. I mean shock could that's fine there that? Yeah. It's not going to be. I mean, Bryant and Rizzo are likely going to be right in there by as it's hard to say. I mean, it may depend on who's who the starting pitcher is and things like that. So that's understandable. But just a narrow it to who are your three horses. Well, that's gonna be probably yelich Aguilar. And you know, could be moussaka sun one day, Sean, another I think the horse that you're forget. Well, no, you focus that the two three four and really this. Bruise lineup starts at the one whole. That's the problem. You're you guys are very iffy. On your leadoff, Lorenzo Cain is what kicks this off. Okay. Well, that's fair. Okay. So one through four you're talking Kane at one, which certainly you know, does something to that lineup. I'd agree. Yeah. The yeah. I mean when you've got yellow in the two hole covered with either Braun or yard depending on who's hot. And then probably a lefty in the forest Bod if you're against right handed pitcher. Yeah. So I would say normally something like Cain yelich Braun and Shaw makes sense Brun only play one hundred games though. So let's go Kane yelich Aguilera Shaw. Okay. Because really eg is gonna play a lot more games than Broncos. Okay. Well, I mean, I have to say Kane. I mean, you probably got the one spot in the Burs lineup as a little better than the cubs. Just because it's kind of a question, Mark. I mean, some projections of saying Benz over I think it's going to vary significantly. I mean Rizzo led off a number of game last year. So. So it's really hard to say. But but yeah, just while you tried to cut the one spot out. I get it. I mean, I kind of see the I can kind of understand the philosophy of the leadoff, maybe not necessarily. Maybe being as important as the game used to be played the past remember leadoff hitter. Always was agree with that. Yeah. I mean, you always had someone with a lot of stolen bases high. Batting average high on base percentage, you know, so. Obviously, that's a little little different. But but yeah. I don't know. Well, I'd I'd say the brewers win the one spot. Kane is an awesome person to have their high on base percentage. Pretty good OB p to not VP but Opie s as well yelich in the two hole versus Bryant in the two hole. Regression the mean for normal performance from Bryant puts them pretty pretty level. But some pretty arguably. So I mean yelich found is power grew last year veasley coming from Marlins park Miller park makes a difference. But he's a young player developing power. Bryant is already a little more advanced on the power side. Yeah. Let's like he's tweaking some things as see tweaks and things it's odd season. And obviously I mentioned last last episode, you know, about his launch angle. Was was it changed something with the shoulder injury something he there, and he's he's spent a lot of time on that. So it's gonna be interesting. Apparently, I've said some some interviews and things like he's he's got his power stroke back. So that's gonna make a big difference in my book. I still give yelich edge because we know he's improving. He doesn't have an injury history. That's my opinion on it. You'd probably arguably disagree or say that could be about even the three hole sh you know, Aguilar versus Rizzo. I probably give you a little bit of the edge on resumed. Okay. Okay. His I don't know if you have his numbers up or not I can try and get egg LARs numbers up. We've got last season. You know, he was hot as heck to start the year last year didn't finish his hot. But he came back around in the playoffs the postseason. He was pretty solid. There are some moments that weren't so great, but thirty five bombs. To seventy four batting average three fifty two on base percentage. So that put him with an obese which is on base plus slugging for those of you that aren't aware eight ninety and I think that's one of the most important numbers in baseball. I think it gets overlooked when you're trying to talk about the potential explosiveness of a lineup. I think Opie s is really kind of where it's at for numbers. But we've talked you'll look at Rizzo. Yeah. We've talked a lot about Opie s you know, Rizzo last year he had he did have a little slump at one point. So last year was just I you know, in some ways touch below normal. That's why Madden slaughtermen the one spot in the lineup there for bed because for some reason that seems to take Rizzo out of his slump. I don't know why. But I something. Yeah. I don't know what that is kind of your Joe Madden magic. I guess but his his opiates numbers. He was eight forty six last year. Eight ninety nine the year before nine twenty eight. In two thousand sixteen when they won the World Series shirt. You know, he's usually kinda to ninety ish batting average or so he did only hit twenty five home runs last year. Whereas the previous four years he had over thirty home runs. He's usually good for around one hundred to one hundred ten RBI's every season. So so he started his decline is what you're saying. I wouldn't say decline. I mean, he's twenty eight years old. That's not. Oh, I'm kidding. It'd be twenty nine this year. He's he's. Yeah. So right and on the opposite side of that you'll ours been a late bloomer last year was by far is best season as his first really full season as a starter. He didn't even start the first month of the year. Remember themes was getting most of the starts. So that thirty five home run. Mark could be even better. He hits for good average. What if what you're saying about he was an MVP candidate? First half. What you're saying about bias and his potential for improvement. I think there's room for Jesus to improve as well. Yeah. Then cases could be a real player. I think I'll give you the edge with Rizzo just based on history. And you know, if you wanna talk defense, maybe a little bit too. Although Aguilera's cat lake at times. But yeah. Yeah. Those if can, you know, hey, sues hits that to seventy Mark. With forty home runs. I'm golden eye. That's great. That's great production. So for the I guess talk about that. I mean by and you're you're saying, well, probably little interchangeable, depending. But who who would you want to put put against by as in the four whole, well, you know, it's going to be a mixture of and that's the hard part with this bruise lineup of her focusing just at the top. We talked about it before the show too. It's really struggled to go. Just the top half of it. I would probably. The end up putting Shaw or Braun there depending on who's doing. What's it could be grand all stock stocks? But if you wanna go Shah, well, if you wanna mix their numbers. In some way, you to or if you wanna look at one of the very similar. I is my expectation. I still think bias edge on that. Yes. Yes. Although it has been only one great year. Right. This is that I'm. We are very talked about that again, progression regression, baby. Yeah. One ever Lucien and growth. So I mean. That you get to use it for bios. I'm gonna use it for hayseeds now. Okay. Yeah. Well, anyways. So obviously, we're we're a little biased as far as some of these. But I you know, I mean, I think it's a pretty good matchup generally looking at kind of that top half of the order. I think they're pretty. Pretty evenly matched, you know with with some give and take on on either side here and there so sure and the, and you know, the hard part for me is arguing top half versing versus the entire depth of the order. But we'll get into your the second half a year order later this as as we go through the spring, probably. Yeah. I think obviously we still have those who may be kind of more in the lower half of the order most often and also bench players. And so let's cover those later this spring for sure. Yep. And I think it's pretty obvious. The Bruce have the better lineup. So. Yeah. Okay. So something that's kind of stirred up a whole bunch of stuff on Twitter. And specifically cubs Twitter would be the pagoda prediction to our tweet of the week. This week comes from Len Kasper, of course, the great cubs announcer. Pagoda isn't a bunch of people sitting around a table throwing out random predictions for fun. It's a system of data that spits projections. You can be angry at it. All you want or ignore it. But it's not some anti cub conspiracy. Biggest sake way is the division is a beast. That's what Len Kasper had to say about it. Yeah. Why those of you that aren't aware? Yeah. I'm just going to run out. The what the predictions from KOTA are currently so pagoda in the central has the brewers winning eighty four or eighty eight games and winning the division Saint Louis to eighty six Cincinnati and Pittsburgh eighty one in eighty respectively and the cubs after the mistake assigning dropped to seventy nine and KOTA. Is picking them to finish last in the division. Your thoughts. Well, you know, algorithms can only do so much. I think there's there's so much nuance and complexity, and and so many games, and and, you know, one pebble on the infield deflecting a ball a different direction, and it just so many things it's really really difficult. I think for these algorithms to get anything, right? So and you know from experience a prior year with fan, graphs didn't favor the brewers too. Well, so I think it was the previous two seasons. They had okay. Under eighty wins. So yeah, they weren't close either. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean. You know, I think I you know, what's interesting is is what I've been reading is the cubs players in the team itself is actually laughing at it and taking it as inspiration to to really push the season and to prove it completely wrong. So actually in in some interesting ways, I mean, I think that's part of the thing how humans can can react differently. And and you know, a computer might project something algorithms all say one thing. But then we can react to it. And kind of you know, I think if it lights a fire for the cubs than it it in a way projection like that has the opposite effect, and and the you know publishing the projection can actually make the projection less likely to be true in some ways. Okay. Well, I look at it from a different perspective to the brewers were predicted by fan graphs when it. Finally came out to finish last in the division. And cubs fans thought it was hilarious on Twitter. I noticed that the Burs really didn't react at all. Which I think was perfect. They won ninety six games last year won the division. And you know, it's an algorithm and fan graphs has been off the previous three years by a mile is just funny that one side the fan graphs had the brewers last the cubs. I cubs fans found that amusing Prokhoda comes out cubs fans flipped their lid because now their last in the brewers are I these things are like you said algorithms, they are not perfect lot of things change things. I think they do an okay job projecting some individual things. But you really I looked at fan graphs and thought there's no way that they're the algorithm is off they've been off the last three years. They must be not taking into account something in the bullpen. The the way council manages or they just shoot low every year on brew production. I don't know what it is. But yeah, we all as brew fans kinda reacted to that. What I did like is opposed of the cubs. I'm sure the cubs are getting peppered with questions more than brewers players where different media market. But there was very little reaction to it at all. They're just going about their business, which is perfect. So that's what I was happy about. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not overly worried about it. I don't think the cubs are worried about it. I my understanding like I said is there just laughing it off and saying, well, we're we're nothing else. That's just even more fuel for the fire to really really do some things this year. I from what I understand. I think pagoda was somehow somewhere in albums they they're taking into account age of the players and regression progression. To the mean, I guess and, you know, the means of players at surname ages and so forth. So I mean, however, that's working. I mean, I think they're expecting. Less than stellar performances by like Lester and Cole hamels this season. So I but leave seen it throughout baseball history. You know, I think even older players veteran players can really surprise us sometimes. And I I don't know that you can just look at an age and say, well, there's a regression automatically. I mean, you know, now, I'm not saying either of them are like Nolan Ryan or something like that. But, but obviously there are examples of pitchers in throughout history that have even progressed, and and became even better as they got into the, you know, well into their thirties. So I don't know. We'll see and that's true. But now the general consensus they do start to decline. I don't know. I don't I didn't think hamels had been great the last couple years. Leicester's been very solid talk more about the pitching. Yeah. Yeah. And upcoming up us. Yeah. Yeah. But. Yeah. As far as that goes, the whole pitchfork nation reaction to these types of things. It's silly. It's predictions by machine have some fun with it. I heard it had gone so far as you know, there's rumored to be, you know, nasty grams and hate mail about this come on. It's just a prediction you poke some fun at it have some fun with the opponent. But really just leave the machines alone. They don't care if you hate them. Yeah. Whatever. That's that's pretty soon. Yeah. It's it's one of those things the whole conversation. We've had is. You know, my guys that sucked will get better year. Guys that sucked won't. That's really what this is boiling down to. It's a lot of fun. I think these two lineup should be very interesting. I think those predictions are probably going to end up being off in the end. It'll probably be the healthiest team that wins. That's normal. That's why love the Bruce depth. I'm curious to see what the cubs have for that. But yeah, anything else to add before we move onto maybe the seventh inning talk a little history. And I I mean, not really I mean, I think I think that kind of covers covers that I, you know, I don't want to dwell too much on the on the pagoda stuff. They'll be wrong. They'll be way off. I mean, even you can admit that it's unlikely the cubs will be last in the division. I don't know. All I remember is getting texting at looks about right when the fan graphs thank. Anything? I don't have to admit anything. Okay. All right. All right. All right. So seven seventh inning. We're going to take a look at some classic lineups. We were we were looking into some historic lineups just for some fun. And since we're talking lineups today with that it would make sense. So we're talking nineteen fifty seven we were looking at. Yeah. So I guess, you know, given this is the ninety miles podcasts. Now, some some some may it's interesting how people separates should briefly touch on that we're looking at Milwaukee baseball. So that doesn't have the necessarily the specific brewers franchise of today. But rather we're gonna sometimes if we're diving back we might be looking at the the Braves. Yeah. That's what what we're kind of looking at a little bit today. The thing about Milwaukee baseball, Milwaukee's always been a baseball town. I did live there for peer to my life. I don't currently which is not a big deal. But I spent some years down there and the roots in that town run pretty deep for baseball fans. I had some older friends that would talk about the Braves of the past the Milwaukee Braves specifically. No in a franchise moves in some sports keeps the history takes it with them. You really don't take away the city's history the Milwaukee Braves, they weren't there forever. I think it was actually kind of a shorter stint. The Braves were in Milwaukee from I believe, oh shoot. Where did it? Go. See? And this is stuff that I'm learning about to. They were only there for about fifteen years, but the nineteen fifty seven squad is amazing. And what we wanted to talk about a little bit today. Is that Milwaukee Chicago rivalry? It's not. This is brand new. These two cities have played National League ball against each other before. And that's really what I wanted to kind of look at there's the nineteen fifty seven Braves Milwaukee Braves ended up winning the World Series. And that is the last time the city of Milwaukee had a World Series championship so up until twenty sixteen Milwaukee had by above fifty years of more recent World Series championship than Chicago Cubs, which is fun. But now, it's, you know, getting to be a little bit of a long term thing getting into the lineups. So we kind of picked out one game came from may twenty fifth. Nineteen fifty seven the Braves at cubs Wrigley field. There's some funny things about this game. You start looking. There was four hall of fame players on this brave squad that ended up winning that World Series. Some very big names. Obviously Henry Aaron everybody knows Eddie Mathews who we're going to talk about a little bit and talk about a little bit about Ernie banks. Warren Spahn, the great left handed pitcher, and the wrench shown dice red shown dice also was on that squad hall of Famer when you start looking at those lineups. It's amazing. So you know, you get into the three and four hol you've got Eddie Mathews followed up by Hank Aaron followed by Joe Adcock. These guys were power hitters. They're great ball players. You know, did you wanna take a look a little bit at that? Cubs lineup. You've got your side pulled up for that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. The cubs in nineteen fifty seven. I mean, they weren't necessarily real good team. They're pretty bad. You know, they they did have already banks. He was young. He was twenty six at the time. In other than that. I mean, you know, they're still kind of they you know, they were kinda in that lovable losers. This is a good ninety fifty seven was ten years out from there. Little over ten years since their previous World Series appearance. So this is in the, you know, they've had a decade here of championship drought, of course, as the first of of another few decades, but know. We were they the lovable losers before WGN picked him up. I mean did that kind of developed later, you know, said something we should cover. We go into that history. I think the lovable losers things really came came about, you know, I'm trying to remember I seem to remember it as long as I've been alive, certainly it was around in the eighties, obviously. And with WGN. Yeah. We we could dive in some other history to at another point on that. But but but yeah, yeah. It was I'd like to talk. Go ahead. Well, I mean that's season already banks. Like, I mentioned was still kinda getting really getting into the meat of his crew. He's he did hit two eighty five. He had hundred to RBI's and he did hit forty three home runs. So it really was kinda. You know, that's pretty strong. Oh, yes. Really strong. Yeah. Absolutely. You dig into that lineup that the Braves had at the time. Like, I mentioned that three or four five role where you had Matthews Aaron. That was a heck of a lineup the year that that happened. I believe that's your hand won his MVP. He batted three twenty two. He hit forty four home runs. You know, number forty four hits forty four pretty cool guy that doesn't get as much love because nobody really thinks back in Braves history and things about Eddie Mathews because the majority of his career was as a Milwaukee brave people, remember, Hank. Aaron obviously, breaking the babes record, you know, getting into that kind of stuff, but Eddie Mathews was a monster. And you go and dig into him, and I'm not trying to short change Henry Aaron here. I think we all know about what we don't all. Remember is the the quality that Eddie Mathews brought to the table he spent from fifty three to sixty five in the Milwaukee Braves uniform, and then sixty six they went to Atlanta, and then his career kind of tailed off. There's nineteen Fifty-three hit forty seven home runs three. Oh, two. Batting average Opie over one thousand nine hundred fifty nine forty six home runs Opie nine eighty three this guy just racked up monstrous numbers in the end, you know, his career batting average. Let's take a look here if I can pull it up his career batting average only ended up to seventy one, but he hit five hundred twelve career home runs. That is a monstrous number. In fact, I think it's if I'm not mistaken his numbers, we looked at them really pretty comparable the Ernie. Yeah. In fact, we were we were looking at that and around kinda similar era. I mean, fifty seven was was Ernie banks. It was his fourth season. He he did have a good start. He did win rookie of the year or second. Sorry is second place in the voting rookie of the year in nineteen fifty four. He was an all star though this. This would aband- fifty seven was his third trip to the all star game having gone the two previous. But it was fifty fifty eight was fifty eight and fifty nine whereas MVP years. Sure. So this is just prior to that. Although he did have some monster years. These first few years, you know, including Fifty-seven was was a pretty decent year. But you know, eighty five to ninety seven to ninety five I mean to seventy five those first four years, but nineteen fifty eight he batted three thirteen yet. A six fourteen slugging percentage nine eighty oh PS forty seven home runs. So which which was he led the majors that year. In fifty eight. Mhm? So you'll yeah, we were looking at that. And it's very interesting. How similar they're probably it'd be fun to dig into some anecdotes or anything as far as that robbery with those players in particular because they would have rights face face each other a lot that -solutely. Yeah. That Milwaukee Chicago rivalry was developing already then no in a way. Obviously the times are very different. There's probably a lot less travelling between cities by the fans, which is obviously changed the current rivalry. But you go back fifty seven fifty eight fifty nine that means I think if I'm not mistaken Henry and in and won the MVP and fifty seven Ernie banks in fifty eight fifty nine many of the a lot of great baseball players playing each other in this series. Then you mentioned Ernie's third all star game was fifty seven that was Eddie Mathews fourth all-star game. Yeah. These guys the way their numbers lineup. I think if I'm not mistaken Ernie have the same career home run number v. Five twelve it's just really fascinating to look at some of the parallels from way farther back in the history of these two cities as far as baseball goes. Yeah. Obviously, Milwaukee lost a couple of teams Chicago Cubs stayed in Chicago. But. Yeah. It's pretty fascinating something we want to talk about more and cover more all the time. We will we will be bringing up as much as we can. And I think we just wanted to look at one one game that season in particular that they played each other. Yeah. You know, which was that may twenty fifth game fifty seven may twenty fifth nineteen fifty seven at Wrigley field. The game duration is three hours. Twenty four minutes. Day game, obviously didn't have lights at Wrigley you. So a long time. No lights, right? So. Yeah. That was an interesting lineup. Bill Bruton for the the the Braves here. Dick Cole Eddie Mathews in the three hole. Aaron and the four whole Adcock in the five hole. Like, we talked about it turns out some things that happened which are interesting with the pitching staff it ended up being a seven to six Braves victory. But the cubs ran out and they were up three nothing after two they're up five to one after four. And that's when the Braves started coming back. That means we always talk about how pitchers used to go the distance. And you know, they were tougher back. Then you know, things like that. I think the Braves used one two three four four pitchers five pitchers. Six pitchers in that game. Six seven two six ballgame. That's quite a few. Yeah. The the weirdest part about it. Everybody remembers Warren Spahn. For being a great starting left-handed pitcher. He closed this game. He got a save. Yeah. Looks like one out save he got there. Yeah. So which is just bizarre to think about he started thirty four games that you're made thirty eight appearances. So this is one of the four relief appearances for Warren's Bon which is kind of fascinating little curve all in the the game. Yeah. Takeaways you had just kind of looking at the box scores and thinking about how this might all gone. You looking at the box score you'd think this was a game played today. Like you mentioned with the pitching changes. But part of it. I you know, there probably were they some of the pitchers weren't finding the strike zone. And we're given up hits. I see looks like. Oh, let's see dick Littlefield. He was the third pitcher. Well, Don Kaiser started for the cubs. You know, he'd through five innings but gave up six hits three runs four walks than this looks exactly like a box today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean with. With you know, kind of both teams just to the pitchers struggled a little bit. And boy Taylor Phillips for the Braves looks like he pitched two innings and gave up four walks and two bras. Yeah. That's not not his best outing now, probably. Bob, you'll made it a whole inning and a third. I don't know. Maybe that was but he gave up gave up six. He started the game. Give up six it's three runs two earned. So I think there's an Eddie Mathews air in this game after I talk them all up. Yeah. Right. Ernie Johnson comes in and gets the wind late goes three and two thirds still goes up three hits run one earned. That's not bad over three innings, and then spun comes in to get the final out and picks up a save. It was a high scoring game. Both teams use actually did both teams use six pitchers each it looks that way. So twelve pitchers used in this. So let's not always, you know, dig ourselves a hole and say, oh, they never use pitchers like they do today. Yeah. Yeah. All these changes it happened. It definitely happened. They did some different things at times too. You know, you would never think Warren Spahn coming in for save would be normal because it's not. But right it happens. So yeah, I just thought that was that was a fun game to kind of just look into cover and these types of things we wanna do in that seventh-inning. Yeah. Kind of historical segments. Do a lot more of this than in other episodes, because that's you know, that's fun stuff. I think the history is is one of the. The, you know, I mean, baseball's the greatest sport. And a big part of that is it's history to such a long rich history. And it's fun to to, you know, take a peek at at low moments like this in a magic sitting in the bleachers at Wrigley and in nineteen fifty seven watching this game. You know? Oh, man, if I had a time machine. This may be one. I'd check out. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. I might opt for one where the cubs win. But, but yeah, this would have been. Well, we can go for two games vote that will find one where they go back to back. Yeah. Anyway. All right. So I guess that brings predictions, right? Yeah. You're supposed to have kind of a fun fun. Yeah. Okay. Let's do it. So I am going to go ahead and make prediction, everyone knows about Anthony Rizzo as tendency to be, you know, he really crowds plate. So more often than most players. He tends to take one take one off the arm. You know? And so I'm gonna go ahead and predict that in the month of April. He's going to be hit by a pitch. Oh, I've been trying to determine the number. I'm gonna do it on the spot here. I'm gonna go ahead and say. I'm gonna say seven times. In april. Seven times in April. It sounds funny. But I looked up his splits and in the month of April. Now, remember this is including those couple games at the very end of March. So so let's just to clarify its from the very beginning of the season through the end of April. So there's a couple of games there at the end of March. But. Last year. He was hit seven times. In that same Breuil in April. So your prediction than is seven or more times hit by pitch in the month of April. So when we're watching games and checking things out watching box scores will kind of be updating how many times Anthony Rizzo getting plunked. Yup. That's actually pretty fun. You know? I would definitely not crowd the play that much anymore. I've seen some of those bruises guys get on those ninety five mile an hour, plus fast aches, he's gonna Pat on his arm there, and oh, yeah. Sure. He he's crowding the plate so much if it's coming in. I mean, he doesn't really have the time to move. I think he's he's developed a technique. In ways to take it. Although he's still winces every time. So I can't imagine even with a pad that feels very good. But but I mean that would that would be bad. Yeah. No reason from the STAN I mean, at least he's still doesn't mind hanging in there. Actually, you know, it's interesting two thousand fifteen and two thousand seventeen he lead all the major leagues in hit by pitches with thirty and two thousand fifteen and twenty four and two thousand seventeen he had twenty last year which included seven in April. So I'm actually it's not even that crazy prediction, but it's just an odd thing to predict I guess, so right. Well, seven in one month. I mean, that's an awful lot. Because you figure you play about a six month season any only ended up with twentieth. Sounds like April minutes a lesson last year. Yeah. That was April was certainly as for some reason, he really got hit a lot of times. But maybe it's maybe it's because pitchers are still trying to find their control early in the year. I don't know. But I I'm gonna go ahead and say seven or more that's right in line with last year. But we'll see what happens. All right. Well, we'll Mark that one down. We'll keep track of these. We've got a we've got a file where keeping track we're gonna look and see if there's a way we can get some of these predictions out of the the ninety miles podcast webpage. You can always check us. Oh, yeah. That's yeah. That's a good idea. We'll put up we'll get a page on there. So ever can see ones that have been put out there and ones that are have come to be and who was right or wrong, which is the funnest part, you know, 'cause I plan on light much more often than you are so well, you know, I don't think that'll ever happen. Right. More often than you. So. Things will change. Okay. You know, there's no regression to the mean on my predictions, right? Yeah. Well, getting to what I was supposed to be was the little bit more serious. Although yours sounds like it hurts a lot more than mine does. Yeah. I've been I've been a big proponent of the on base plus slugging stat being a very important one. In like, I said earlier talking about the explosiveness of a lineup, and how strong and powerful it can be just to give an overview what is on base. Plus slugging in case, you don't know your base percentage is your total hits and walks. Divided by your at bats or actually. Yeah. That's it's at bats divided by hits and walks. So an at bat isn't counted. If it's a walk. So you're on base percentage is usually higher than your batting average unless your hobby by because he never walks anyway, that's a different story. Just kidding. All right. And then plus slugging slugging percentage is your total bases divided your at bat. So let's say you're one for four with a double that's two bases over four at bats. That's a point five zero slugging percentage. So to break it down Opie s is those numbers combined. The brewers last year had four guys over a point eight or eight hundred percent on base. Plus slugging yelich Aguilar, Shah and Kane were all for over eight hundred that is a very large number eight hundred is an excellent season. It means you're hitting for power you're providing runs you're getting on base. You're generally hitting for a decent average. I predict this season with this lineup. The brewers are going to have seven hitters over that point. Right. Eight hundred seven it's crazy. It's not okay. Seven hitters seven. I'm predicting not going to predict which ones are which so we're gonna say seven qualified hitters. That's just qualified. So just last year. It was yelich show. Sean Kane Ryan Braun who had a very down your only fifty four with only three thirteen on base percentage. Still had a point seventy to opiates. Okay. I expect his go over eight. Okay. And then I also expect grand all to be over eight because he was gonna six. Okay. There's there's six. Yeah. And all you need is one more guy to qualify to have enough at bats off the bench to actually produce that seventh guy a guy like Eric Fame's. If he gets enough at bats things like that. So right, seven guys the qualify. That I write down seven hundred. I just seven qualifiers. Now. That's a stretch. It's not impossible. But they have seven guys I expect six I honestly expect six so this seven the full regular season. That's what we're talking about here. Well, regular season on base, plus slugging. Okay. I seven hitters of. Okay. No, no. I'm not trying to qualify this. But it might end up being where there's a guy that is close to qualifying. But isn't but it's over eight hundred I expect six guys the qualify over eight hundred. Oh, so you're modifying. I didn't mean to I think. When I'm looking at qualified numbers. Six qualifying hitters over eight hundred over eight so should be six qualified eight hundred. And I think there'll be a seventh guy that is over eight hundred that may not have enough at best to qualify when I hit the non I hit on the stats. I'm looking at anyway doesn't matter. Okay. I think they're going to have seven guys over eight hundred and six of them will be qualified hitters. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens. If they have that they're going to be the best offense in the National League. And I'm kind of expecting that now. Okay. That's okay. All right. Well, we'll we'll write it down. And we'll we'll see come out of the year. We'll we'll watch you know, in some ways we could look at some numbers. Do some math and see it's even mathematically possible as we near the end of the season. But that'll yeah. Yeah. We'll be projecting that throughout the year. Because I think that's I think that's gonna be the telltale sign on a very healthy offense. We should also speaking of healthy offenses, we should probably talk a little bit about our central breakdown. Yeah. This week. We're gonna talk a little bit of a lineup breakdown for the cardinals. And what we're kind of looking at their well in particular, one one addition they made which we're not real excited about seeing a lot of. No, no, nobody's excited about seeing a lot of Mr. Goldschmidt. But that's that's the nature of the game the carton. Yeah. Yeah. Better. You know, they did. You know, do you have anything pulled up on Goldie that we can talk about right off the top. Well. Yes. I do. He's a career to ninety seven hitter. Like had a five point four war last year with thirty three home runs. He's arguably probably festively one of the best first basements in the National League. If not the best. Well, that was after last year's numbers were after a terrible terrible start. He was Mendoza line for a month or two. I think so. Yeah, he was at that two hundred Mark for a long time. And he ended up at two ninety seven while. Yeah. Yeah. Well, two to ninety last year to ninety. Okay. Well, shoot doesn't matter that he had. Right. So. Yeah to he was thirty three home runs to ninety nine twenty two s that was last year. What I was looking at some splits and. Let's see if I had that pulled up here. He was was quite a monster in a way games, which is a little scary. So you know, it's gonna be interesting to see how he plays in Saint Louis at the whole park. Well, that's a. Yeah. That is that is scary. If he was doing that on the way game snow some of those away games were in chorus field in the rocky mountains. But also a lot of those away games were in San Diego and Los Angeles, not exactly hitters parks. So you're plugging a guy like Goldschmidt, basically, he's a plug and play and your three hole. Right. So you're looking at maybe projected lineup looking something like Matt carpenter Paul diong, Paul Goldschmidt, Marcello Zona who had a very down season last year coming off a very good year in Miami Yati Molina in the five hole, then you're maybe a baiter Fowler. Colton long kind of six seven eight. Now, you're looking at the top the top five of that lineup. Stacks up with anybody as well as or anybody in this division, pretty darn well five where where the brewers and cubs are going to have to take advantage is going to be six seven eight because I don't see baiter baiter actually baiter could be really good. He's excellent in the field Fowler has been down Colton long kind of an average second baseman. But when you lead off with carpenter and diong Goldschmidt. If Zuma bounces back, let's say that, you know, let's say two years ago was more the Marcelo Zona that is real. And last year was more of the outlier. This lineup gets scary. However, I think if I'm not mistaken with Marcello. Who has won a gold glove in the outfield, which is kind of funny to talk about more of his seasons have been closer to what he was last year not so much what he was two years ago with Miami. So I don't know if I see all of this progression. That these cardinal fans are seeing with their particular players, right? It's all back to that regression progression to the mean, bringing Goldschmidt in bringing Goldschmidt. And he's going to be probably over three hundred hitter. Because last year was just I think that first couple of months was just an outlier that is not Paul Goldschmidt. Well, them just I was just pulling up some splits. And and he's sure likes Miller park or whatever it's going to be called Miller park. Still right. It's Miller park. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. How's he in Wrigley, by the way, not as good as he was Miller park? But well, the wind blows in once in a while. No, he has home run up the brewers in the. Yeah. He he his batting average at career Miller park is four twenty. Limited at bats Zona. Bozo. PS one point three. That's that is a total of eight at bats. Okay. So it's not that limited actually. Yeah. Career that's career mind you career. Yes. The last couple years he hasn't done quite as well against Milwaukee. He was beating up on some lesser teams at one point. But he has been a brewer killer in the past. No doubt about it. It's not a favourite name that I like to see come into the division. I think I go look at it. And you look at the NL central across the board. He's the new best first baseman in the division. I don't even think it's really all that close. Joy was amazing. I'd probably put him in its second. But vowed owes a little older he's on a little bit more of a downhill Goldschmidt has absolutely been a beast. The National League West was not disappointed when he left you can't overlook Rizzo. They're quote, similar in some ways. But yeah, I think Goldschmidt has has a a little bit of an edge. You know? But we'll we'll see. Yeah. And and I yeah, golden and that lineup though is is pretty scary. So we're, you know. I think adding. It's going to be pretty interesting to see how that that unfolds. And and I think the both the cubs and the brewers are really going to have to. Pay attention to their their matchups when they're playing the cardinals. Those are going to be some really important games this season. Oh, we'll no doubt. I mean, this is going to be the best division in baseball. And these games are going to be tough battles. I look at it Goldschmidt. Also improves their defense. We talked about last week. Yeah. This whole this whole thing is a big lift for that Saint Louis team. There was one point where the Goldschmidt ad may have made them even a favorite because they were only a few games in the end behind last season turning him into that lineup makes a big difference. But anyway, that's. That's the kind of the heart of their order. I think you know, I think it's still the brewers and cubs as the leaders, but Saint Louis very serious player. If there's going to be a wild card out of this division, which we talked about last week is going to be tough. It could be them. Instead of the cubs are instead of the Bruce. There's no question in my mind. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at least we can both agree that we hate the the cardinals. And hopefully, we do hopefully they just really have a lot of games not go their way, especially when. Well, yeah, I look at their lineup. The six seven eight spots are not as strong. They've got pretty good starting pitching. But we'll save pitching for later on. Yeah. So we're getting towards the end here. Yeah. You know, just enough of it. I don't wanna talk about the cardinals that much. No, no. That's enough. Let's let's yeah. Let's move on. So basically, you know, that kind of wraps up the episode for the most part. Yeah. Next week. We're going to be talking about. I think the cubs in brewers opens very very offers spring training game coming up here. Yeah. That's going to be that's going to be a lot of fun. And and it happens to be the cubs brewers playing each other. So we'll get some I yet early peaks some maybe an at bat or so from some of their projected starters and starting lineup and and maybe get an early look at some of the pitchers. It's obviously going to mean a whole lot. But it just might be fun, especially see some of the new player. No. This is huge this way. Big this game one sixty four you need revenge. I should be pumped about I have a feeling they're not gonna be playing it as if it were game one sixty four, but you know, or managing, but we'll we can pretend but think this'll be. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It'll be good. And it'll probably be more accurate than Makoto or fan graphs can time. It's all said. Yeah. So that would come in. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be awesome. Yep. And so that was. Well, again, this is just episode to ninety miles podcasts that we did talk over each other a little bit at the end there. Whoops, but go to the website ninety miles podcast dot com. Check it out. Anything you want to wrap up with anything? You wanted to mention. Well, the Bruce suck the cardinal suck. The cubs are the best. I don't know that you had you had one third of that. Right. Okay. Well, three thirty three is still a hall of fame Famer. So, but but I I know I better percentage than that on those. So we'll see. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I was wondering where you're going with that. All right. Well. Yup. Give us a follow on Twitter again too. To editor crew fan Brooker winning at Bruecker winning. I misspoke last time at crew winning his me who are you at wraps cubs win, and you can get to salt through the ninety miles podcast dot com website as well. We also got Facebook page, that's all linked up on there. So you can you could actually just go there it links to the ninety mile podcast at ninety mile podcast, which is the our Twitter for the podcast. But from there you can link out both of us individually. Let us choose episode. And you know, like our Facebook page follow us on there and interact. 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Local Hour: Super Bowl Opening Night

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

46:56 min | 1 year ago

Local Hour: Super Bowl Opening Night

"So God's ear everything's a little sluggish January. Maybe it's the cold weather the holiday hangover or the end of football season. Whatever the reason everything slow in the wintertime including your vehicle's battery battery so think ahead stop by your local events auto parts as soon as you can? They'll test your battery for free no appointment necessary if you need a new one. They'll install it plus enter the code Dan Twenty when you buy online that twenty percent of your battery purchase advance auto parts. They go ahead. They could Vance. It's the shipping container. All some of US stuck in traffic on a Tuesday Tuesday's I mean not the greatest of starts for our content week. I mean the traffic's already getting was was keith. I'm dragging ass. Are you tired so tired. We've done like one thing. Well no because my super bowl like billy. I've been working on stuff since last week. I know you have to but even working on the whole digital audio network has been pretty heavy. Lift Sunday I was is in newsgathering mode trying to help a lot of the other. ESPN people with the breaking Kobe News. It's been hard and any free time that I have have is devoted to the other projects that I have going on Primarily this week. The Shaq's house in Gronk event which is become sort of like a pretty massive undertaking for me. So I'm I'm pretty tired. And yesterday. For whatever reason my homeowners association decided to like toll like some big truck that was illegally parked at like one a m And it was right outside my window and it disrupted my sleep and I had trouble. We'll go back to sleep. I had a baby the baby so I am very very tired are you am I tired. I'm fine I'm pacing myself. I think I'll be okay. I'm a little annoyed with my urologist. But that's a story for another day. I think it's a story for today. Well I don't I don't want to bury anyone but I'm not thrilled. Old With certain policies of there's let's just say that what what what policies do urologists have. Well I go to a urologist. Because they've had kidney stones recurring on and off and I haven't had in a while but that's one of those things where they want you to go and do you know annual checkups every six. Whatever right can I ask you a question? Are you anytime that you mentioned that that someone just wants to give you like remedies for kidney stones. I'll take whatever I can get. I could avoid taste lemonade. DRINK LEMONADE I do drink lemonade but not for kidneys. I just drink lemonade. I haven't had them in a while. It helps it's suppose supposedly elps I did not know that actually have a little one. I've been told but I think it's small enough that I'm not gonNa feel it when I pass it and if I stay hydrated just flown in that. It's lucky not stars. Yeah what is it. Can you describe what you feel initially. It's horrible when you know that you have a kidney stone. Coming on his lower back pain is it. You've lower back if you're passing it. You could feel like you know down in your lower abdomen. I guess you'd say it's it's bad and it you'd never I know how long it's GonNa take to pass. It's just the worst and then once it's gone the pain is like immediately subside. which is like crazy? Yeah is it like an underrated feeling the sensation. Oh you got after you pass it. This sense ation is simply not paying. Yeah so yeah. I guess it's the same sensation you chasing that high. No you never had them. But I'm not I'm not I'm I'm in a one way feud right now with the urologist. They don't know that I'm feuding with them. Well because here's the thing urologists are a what's the word. I'm looking forward not specialty. I don't know the word I'm looking for long story short what you need a referral every year for Insurance to go to them right so I had specialist a specialist. There you go so a urologist is a specialist so you need a referral every a year to go to them or every so often. I don't know every once in a while they'll tell me like. Oh we can't see you without a refrozen so you need to go to a general practitioner yet to get a referral. You've had I ah for years. It's an it's an insurance thing insurance. Don't you know what so they double up. No so you go. You need to get the referral right. So they call tell me you need to get a referral and it's like dude. I saw you liked to Iraq. Oh what Iraq. I don't want to even get started on. Follow up Doctor Appointments. It's because that is just to collect co pays from people like it's totally unnecessary. My annual checkup at the urologist turned to three appointments which is ridiculous so the most recent appointment again. I guess because the year change I don't know because I saw them like two weeks ago to my Sonogram to make sure and then they need to bring me into give me the results of the Sonogram. Even though like I I'm not gonNA say but I was talking to the technician the whole time and I'm kind of trying to figure out what's going on so I have a general idea of what's going on in there like I don't I feel like I need to come back for follow up just to be like. Yeah you know do this. Do that drink lemonade. And it's like I'm Mike. Mike told me that you're always telling me drink lemonade. You know what I mean. Chris the Copay for that I welcome back talking about my feud with my urologists. You have any super bowl week. He's he's going right now but do you have any solutions for his recurring problem. I'm I'm good. I'm telling you I haven't had it in a while which is another thing which like I'm kinda going annually just to go and like make sure everything's good and the pipes are clean and all that stuff but I'm not feeling any pay whatever so they tell me you need a referral. We can't see without a referral right so I take that as all right. I can't can't go without this referral and I haven't gotten a referral because it's a holiday weekend. This was last week. It's a holiday weekend so I can't go to my appointment on President's This Day was it. No Martin Luther King. I can't go Martin Luther King. 'cause it's a long weekend. I can't get this referral from my doctor because the lady that does the referrals at the doctor's office is only there until two and we get off a one and then we have polls show stuff so I can't call in the middle of the show to get before. It was a whole ordeal that doctors offices another thing. Yeah so you don't want to get into that other. Well I call that doctor's office you know. Tell me what we sent them. The referral a couple of weeks ago. And it says that you could do three visits on this phone. I'm like three degrees it one visit because three visits every time you go you have to do this and you have to come back to this and you have to get the results of this doctors. I'll have I mean it's just not it's a money grab I'm just going to say it's a the money Graham. That's why they have these follow performance because they want to charge the insurance companies for visits and WHO's paying we're paying but we don't need to get into all of that so I missed the appointment because I didn't didn't have the referral right but they told me you can't come without this referral. Well you never got the referral so it seems pretty obvious. I'M NOT GONNA go. I'M GONNA go for you to just send me home if I have a referral precisely chasing so I call the reschedule this appointment and they tell me well you missed the appointment. It's company it's a office positive. Charge fifty dollars. Are you kidding me. Yeah they had to charge you and fifty dollars. I'm like can I just reschedule and like a pay when I go or like I'll talk to them or whatever like well. We can't make the appointment until you pay them like see. You want me to give you like my credit card number. And and they're like well. Yeah we can't make the appointment. Tell me they told you that you need to get a referral for the rescheduled. I hung up. I just hung up and now I'm afraid collections is gonNA come after me because I just hung up on them. I'm like I can't deal with this. I'm going to have to deal this tomorrow. I'm getting ready for media night. And that's what we did yesterday. But I couldn't deal with them anymore and this person I understand. It's not their job. They're just following the office policy right and ultimately they're probably not the decision maker but if you tell me I can't come and then I don't go how you ensure fifty dollars precisely. I'm I'm with you. Where is this in? The hippocratic oath tried to people. Fifty dollars I'm going to search. I have chapped lips. We're all struggling to that. Might be tired slips. I have a whole thing with my knowledge Est.. That's rough Roy. Roy Losses Voice. It's just the whole thing. Yeah Greg Cody was supposed to be. Cody's out sick sick today when we talk about Roy last night when we showed up and he had like the the money. Spot Hitler's the best spot in the last night was not fun I no no. I didn't have fun Chris. I had a good time I did not have any. I love being in that world. We weren't median. I last night to paint the picture media night. This year was at Marlins Park by the way one of our friends had a mortifying moment that I am trying to acquire the sound who there is a top line. ESPN personality that interviewed someone with the San Francisco. Forty niners thinking. They were someone that they were not and the and the interview subject was very insulted. Wow I'm trying to secure. You're the sound of Meena Confusing One San Francisco forty nine or person for another perfect age. She I was. I wanted to crawl into a life. Komo told you about it and she reached out to me. I'm betraying her confidence We so to avoid that moment because everybody was there right. The big players ears were not everyone was there. What do you mean well see like it was a bunch of producers are talking? No No. I'm talking about the players. The players everybody was there for media night. Yeah and the bigger players had their own podiums and then there was like this twelve podium. That was for the fan and whatever the rally fans go to that. What a horrible event for fan? Yeah they here in just doesn't seem fun alcohol so I guess that makes it. People had opportunities to get photos. But I don't think any of the players are actually actually going up to the fans anyways some people signing autographs. I saw Roy taking a picture with fans yet so the bigger players were all podiums and the other players were just kind of around and you could go up and you can talk to them but they were wearing like warm up close. I Guess Super Bowl won't close with their numbers on them but there were no name so like it was gripe four there were no rosters handed out also so like there were a lot of players that were very accessible out of googling that I wanted to talk to but I'm like I don't WanNa i WanNa have the Meena mistake. Not knowing that Meena did it but like that was something in my head that I was like. I don't WanNa make that mistake and make it awkward. I don't want to go up to someone. That has no talk to them and be like. Hey how's it going and then ask me like what's my name and then me getting like an awkward thing where could potentially say the wrong name so I tried to avoid in situations like that to not run into the meaning but also I don't have to do the daily podcast every day so I don't have that pressure. A lot of the big names like the head coach is the courtroom. They're numbers though like they. Did she not notice the number well. This wasn't someone that was wearing a number Was it wes welker. I don't WanNa say all right so a lot of the big players players. who does she think Andy Reid? Rest Welker was oddly. Not Wearing any. He coaches coaches outfit. He was like I had he played by him. He was country Sheikh Had some tight. Jean Yeah I think it was a heady play by him also. Speaking of hetty plays hair made a bit of a comeback on West. Well you know what's great about what he was doing. He wasn't in any of the warm. A lot of the other coaches were Zia coach coaches outfit. And he was he was not wearing it. But you know there was couch Shannon. Be Any no what he can do. Well Yeah but they were a podiums. Yeah we're west kind of just west could have been home at eight o'clock last. Has No one would've known because he could have just walked out who I interviewed Rob Sala. He was wearing a white tracksuit. But it wasn't like the official one. Yeah Dude Rob Salad. Oh my God yeah so basically all the big names. The head coach is the quarterback of the stars of the teams read. These podiums may have huge crowds around. So those were the toughest guys get to. So we were waiting to the very end to get those at least sort of divided impacts Lorenzo and billy and this was like during the chiefs Availabil- we've sort of it. Was We sort of lost. Track of Roy and we'd sort of assumed he was out there getting contact. It's hard to get by some of these booze like getting Patrick Mahomes. It took some time time and you had to kind of like wiggle your way you basically. If you wanted to talk the big people you had to be very patient exactly as you. Well know wasn't there was no line right now. It's a free for all you just real estate acquisition. It's it's imposed. Everyone was very civil though. It was not crazy for an hour lock. Someone's camera setup it. Does you don't WanNa do that. You're doing things where I had to hold the mic up to the speaker a few times I've locked in on lap. Yeah everyone was very respectful outside of Australian TV. Who just found a way to we get to the front all the time but I guess that's what helps it helps when some characters out there anyways so at one point during the chiefs time Mike and I are like all right? It's Andy we need to get something from Andy. There was a huge crowd around. So we're like way on the back. Like how are we GONNA do this. What angle are we gonNA take? Were like wait. WHO's had a front row? That Roy the road and you keep in mind that side Gig. Yeah but let's talk about that. Wait hold on a second. Don't talk about that. That walked right into it. You are like you need to be careful. You're right. This is a side because you were on the clock as an ESPN employed. Do not do what I think you're about to do you say you're out there collecting extra pay now another. That's not for them instead of us. No I wasn't GonNa do that. Bring that up until you brought it. What he's saying is he knows kind of moves because he does this on the rig so he knows how to get in and we will get to the front row? That's what he was saying. Here's the problem Chris. Chris Cody but our point was we were looking to get any retention. We're like oh Roy's already in there. He's probably asking fun question. Not only. Were you not asking questions. You weren't even recording. Louis Shifts list ending seem really chilling. I was told he says now he says Roy but we approached staff Roy T he was recording. His Roy seemed to just be hanging jean-francois listening name. Maybe he had been recording. And he's like you know what I'm stopping for a second and we. It just happened to see him when he was two straight minutes. His arms were cross. He looked pretty comfortable. Roosevelt those receipt. Chris and I look at each other. I'm like we got Roy. Roy Scott the prime spot give them. You're recording equipment. Roy seems bothered by the whole thing any good barbecue. You Gotta question is now playing the audio or on the air in which is questionable. The question that he's playing for us and you read right there. Yeah that's Andy Reid. Ask any read a question. The question that you asked him there we go all right. So where's the question. They asked for the Netherlands. ORLANDS right there you go the other one that we had one that you gave listening being lied to the one that you gave me. It was just admitted you were just realizing. Thank listening to Andy Reid. No House recording your mind. No the phone displayed on pocket. Doc in receipt played. I told you to ask the question acts watching order. This is the kind of fun than we were. Having last night. There was so much going on wacky questions. People coming up having people play. What's the fishing games? I'm GonNa have rock talk. Australian TV man. What a trip people were just playing catch at times? Fox The port says they were throwing football glazes there there. I had a moment where I had my mic in hand and he was clearly not on air in which is lounge in can't even thought about doing that to know if he would have been like at the hell away from. I didn't bother them because he was like hosting the event. Yeah Yeah they're alive. Yeah there was a moment where Peter King was quite rude to you really well to a lot of people around around them so they had like these bins it was hot inside of Marlins Park hot because styles and people in more than people. There was a ton of people in like a really the third biggest marlins crowd of the year. Yes and they had all these bins with like this new gatorade product and I need my. They were delicious. Well I'm glad you got to have a cold one. Yeah I got a call when I was very hard to track down a cold one but they had like these bins around like the the The floor and you had to be lucky enough to find a been not just with gatorade but ice cold gatorade so I opened up one. been nothing in Barron like three ice cubes and then I finally tracked down Bin that I got my eye on and I was like earlier before I saw plenty of Gatorade in there. There's got to be plenty in Gatorade and as I approach it. Peter King just puts his laptop bag on top of it. I interview with somebody like none the wiser like Oh this is just a very. You can table for my stuff Peter King. I'm a Monday morning quarterback Peter King he walks around there like a king. Yeah but I didn't like I didn't want to be rude because he's thank rocks. I should've just like kicked a picnic gatorade cam because it was like I was very parched. Yeah and then I just sort of. I was annoyed by. I'd honestly made one of these. Sounds like no chance he heard you side there were. WWe wrestlers out there to you. Who is Peter King talking to? I Dunno some guys. I didn't know it was. Brazil is out there. Marlins plan was happy to see you up there. Yeah I gotTa believe Roy listening recording what we were saying your mind. No one is a saying when we first walked up on you before you saw us. We were like Oh we were so excited Roy's because we were like how are we going to get in there and you were in there and we're like is he. Is He asking questions. And we're like all right. Maybe he's just like listening to ever answer but you weren't even. I'm telling you roy you weren't even doing. You probably know so much about Andy Reid right now you were just saying because I was also in front of a honey badger and again recording as well here honey badger bedroom we ask him is was just talking about video. He talked about video games. You didn't ask him anything you talking to. People felt some sort of I was hoping that you will be a little bit more Cole. I was a little hesitant to ask nonsense questions at first because Chris had asked a couple. You know silly little nervous the first twenty minutes but once I just ask someone a question and I was like all right. This isn't that hard super nervous. Well so you didn't ask. Patrick mahomes a silly question and I did Roy ask him like an and somewhat silly question. Someone reasonable yeah no spoilers here. Sorry so then. There was another question that had not been asked of Patrick Mahomes at Chris. It asks Andy Reid. Yeah and I was hesitant. I'm like am I going to be that I am. I going to be the annoying person. That's asking a ridiculous question while all these other people are trying to ask asked legitimate questions now. We're like over an hour into his media availability so like there was plenty of time for the serious question. Hack it out of the way and you WanNa know what turned the tide for me. What made me say you know what bleep it? I'm doing this I'M GONNA ask. The question was I billy when someone was dressed as Dorothy and ask him to sign her red slippers. I was like all right. All bets are off like the seriousness has done in this. I found that the players enjoyed the nonsense. The other media members not so much coach. I mean I didn't get a couple of times because I would try to like once at the end of the night with the niners. They went second. I was feel myself so I would try to get like requests. She was bizarre. Unlike you found a way. Richard Sherman was one of the in demand people. And you as Richard Sherman like a very puke sports question. Yeah well I've been. I want I felt bad for the forty niners. Why why a lot of people are gonNA came out so late I wanted to? I wanted to get somebody on the forty niners to admit to me. They are rooting for Tannehill over mahomes. Yeah so he thought that personnel ask. And because if we're going to be completely frank I was going to go on with the wacky stuff but someone right before me went Kobe yells. I can't I can't follow it to go the with something. Completely wacky transitioned middle question of just actually got a decent house like. Will you admit to me. You're rooting for Tannahill over mahomes. I shouldn't be ruining this. I'll just let you and find. Find out what he Chris respectfully. I don't know if that'll make the that question. Oh No that's fair. GEICO presents left brain versus right brain after much deliberation. I've decided we should switch to GEICO. Sounds good to me. We could save hundreds of dollars on car insurance which now I'm just blue sky in. 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You'll hear courtesy eleven imprint Matt. Moore's Dj with you as my guests. Bronx came a shacks funhouse. But what was interesting was I hope I'm not betraying confidence. Offense but after the entire media availibility Chris and I are talking guest. Who Comes Up Matt Moore Remembering me? And he's like hey been I'm big fan of the show really. He said that that was legit. That actually was actress with billy after everything was done and they were walking out he walked it by and then he made it a point to turn back and say by the way. I'm a big fan during the Inter. No no way out. I was there at the last part of that interview and it didn't seem like he was having the best time. No he seemed a little bothered by and just be like. Oh well I I have my regrets because I sort of ended it on something that was like it was sort of like a backhanded compliment. I guess I mean it just like your backup forever. No no I was just like well. Hopefully we don't see you Sunday because he wants to win the Super Bowl and Patrick mahomes being hurt would sort of affect that but I could see where he would take an insult and I didn't mean it that way. I'm I'm sure he's like I said I'm sure you're hoping not to be out there because physician it like that. Because why would he wish Patrick Mahomes. But I can kind of be like by what you mean by that. If I were on the receiving failed in not I realized watching some highlights when I got home that Damian Williams there the former dolphins running back then good for okay. Yeah just like what's it like. Not Being I don't know billy made a bunch of random friends with a bunch of people that I didn't know their names that they just had their numbers like even even fist bumps. He made a bunch of friends. Yeah and so we Chris and I as we mentioned it's sort of it's sort of thinned out a little bit for for the niners. It wasn't nearly as packed as it was for the Kansas City chiefs. I think part of that was also deadline though because it was getting close. Yeah and deadlines with so you went up to media like the media era was packed. Everybody was sitting there working so I think we took it upon ourselves to like there was a all right. I'm GonNa Miss Ed. Fred Warner. There wasn't much of a line. He had a booth. There was a there was a point like right towards the end we were like five minutes left. Were like there were players players sitting there and they were just like one on ones and I think that some of those one on ones are just say. Hey you know we had a one on one with Fred warn really. We had one on one with Redd Warner now. I don't know who chooses is the booze Fred Warner is actually very good player but name rally this is for a lot of this is like the first time. You're hearing this neigh- so Chris and I were like I kind of felt bad and we're trying to get content abon. Yeah so like hey. Let's just like talk to Fred Warner for a little bit. Dude wasn't down for us. Yeah wasn't down for us. Then I pulled out my why the wacky. It's one just because I was like he didn't like Ed. The Guy hasn't seen Tom Cruise movies. I mean how can I work with the. Yeah I mean I mean. I don't want to give away like the question I asked at the end. Yeah give it away. Yeah I some standing or sitting. I asked him if he stands or sits when he wipes and he gave. I gave an answer. That was pretty cool. Actually that was actually the best part about it. But he hasn't seen Tom cruises cocktail which was like. Oh Dude you got to see I mean it was probably made ten years before he was born. Probably older than you know. It's definitely older younger than we think. Yes there is I. Think the coolest part about media night is realizing how huge these people are exactly how dangerous that sport some of them aren't that well. I feel bad for the ones who aren't that huge because they're like the linemen are massive him. Being came out in one thousand nine hundred eighty. Eight for Warner was born in Nineteen ninety-six. Yeah so it's American cinema though man. I wish that Fred Warner was is it. I wish I was here now so we can ask them the oldest movies ever seen the vibe that a government and it was like he didn't really have much time for movies. Yeah what do you have time while it is super bowl weekend football but I just think in life he was a he was a football guy. Any big takeaways from you other than like how good looking some of these people were in real life and Jimmy jaw line. Oh I talk talk about South L.. I didn't see southpaw. John Clayton Mr Peter King Professor. Jason Leisure I did see days. He Look dapper yesterday. Jason Leisure Kevin Clark naming names just names so I asked you if there were any takeaways I mean my takeaway was. I had a great time. I love that scene. I love obviously the access of the players but more than that. I just love people watching the reporters. It's crazy man billy. We're talking. How many people are there to do the same exact thing? Yeah hundreds words in hundreds of people all just doing this. I really had a moment yesterday where I'm like. I am not special. There's nothing about me. That's different from anyone else. In the world there are probably two thousand thousand media people here. That are doing the exact same thing as me. Probably better than me like there is nothing about me whatsoever. I have It was really sad at one point. Where ah I think when it really happened was like in between the chiefs a lull and the forty niners? I went upstairs. I got a hot dog. They had different food. The second time US oh good. Yeah I had a hotdog a couple cook it is. I had a chocolate chip cookie or two. I didn't know anyone that was there so I was kind of like. I didn't want to sit down to each doc religious elite on the on. No I was actually just kind of like going up and down like eating my food making. It seem like I was going somewhere or wasn't and while I was doing that I'm like there are so many people well here. I don't know any of them. I don't want my friends are is really lonely whereas Roy all these people do exactly the same. I know where he was. He was tiny. Read all these people. Were doing the exact same thing as much talking so much better than me more listening because we're all human menu toy. Hey I'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and out of touch. At Harry's our approach is simple. Here's our secret. We make sharp durable blades and sell them. At honest is prices for as low as two dollars. Each we care about quality so much that we do some crazy. Things like Bil- world-class German Blade Factory. 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And I'm like Lorenzo there are eight hundred. CVS and Walgreens between here and Marlins Park there's one right across the street from marlins spark like why are you brings across the street. You yes or no urine south of what we do at getting Komo with no zoom. He was texting me saying Zoom Hatami Christie C. didn't read had an invalid. Why wouldn't you test that before you went? I was texting me. Five o'clock be prepared prepared. Yes he was. He was texting me asking me. Where's The a hotel room? Where's the key that was for corn corn? I was like what do you need the hotel room for. He's like Kornheiser. I'm like that's not an answer. Do you need the hotel room for. Are you just promising people. Dan's room without asner or prepping for the show. Did you ask anyone are. You just are offering Dan's room Lucille. I'm pretty is your damn would have been lying. With Tony's I regret taking him up to that room to get the recording because now he knows a it exists in two. I should have lied to about the number because he was going to go to the wrong room. I should've light to about the number so you could have locked into someone else's I don't think the keywords so once we got there I I get a report that no I wouldn't have worked but he would have been freaking out in the hallway with you. Know Kornheiser is your produce. Had No patience to the wrong room. Yes yes that's regular that's on the north so once we get there. I can't find that I had an issue with parking. Listen my life. If you haven't been able to tell us just one issue after the first one there you were the first one there to your credit behind you and security line. I was right behind. Him Yeah lugging all my crap. Yes I'm glad you brought that up. You brought the camera. The microphone up the other recording device with faulty. SD Steve Kerr. That didn't work. The batteries all took all of that stuff right so I go in and I'm looking for like where are you guys. I'm on the floor upstairs. Like eating or something. We're coming down now and I was like okay and I. I'm talking Lorenzo on the phone and I'm kind of you know I could sense it. He's a little whatever. Then I run. I run into Chris who all but well not all but confirms he definitely confirmed. Lorenzo was very flustered and told me that you and why why did not to betray anything. Well I don't care. You were God in the bathroom for an extended period of time. Because you want to spend time. You're covered in sweat sweating. It was like eight minutes long. That's awesome oh Pooh Pooh I went in the number one not shot I might. I'm an why was needed a shower. I had eminem moment where I was like puking toilet and washing my face off did not kind of Pune Okaka pooh-poohed you know. Oh well like the eminem eight moment. He's getting ready for the big show. This was the big show. This is media day opening night. The Super Bowl. Big What did you proceed to Peter. was there what did you proceed to forget. When you got down with the with the camera mic? Yeah the cameras with me and what happened with that. After you've forgotten Iran back. No you told me. I don't think we need on like we definitely need this. We I need to go up and get that might work. Yeah did you test. I have no idea if any of the stuff that we recorded sounds good. I don't think anyone windows. Yeah I know it sounds really well most of it most of the audio from stuff I had so hopefully that were hopefully that works. I I listened to suffer my phone and it sound. Yeah the suffering. My phone worked fine to. We're just GONNA double question. Mark is the Karaoke microphone that we were using all the IRA. Yeah that's that's the big. That's the big question. Mark keeps on giving because we use that for a number of okay. Just whispering to each log I I don't know what he's talking. I had a moment because I was looking around. 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This message paid for by Mike Bloomberg Twenty Twenty Lorenzo went to his Karn came back in two seconds. What did you do? You let it right outside the door looking for my badge. Dropped out the door. How'd you drop a box not know that is a box equipment? Now you're good man August. Should we give you like an egg for the week and you do the baby a baby egging. It makes me think you could make it through this week with an egg. No an egg. No Long Do you think I'm GonNa go to buy you an egg and see how long you last this week with recording. Yeah we're we're we're talking to do shit. Yeah I have to do shit this week. What does that mean on me? Why not said that to the list of your shit to do? Do you have watching a yeah. I think there are larger lessons to be learned if the medium yes so you guys has all got this. What tonight no? I'm not going to that. I'm giving you an egg later today that you need to watch the rest of the week and every day we'll check in and see how the egg is. Doing ailing grow party eight tonight. Sure really I think so. I really if I'm going to be honest with you. I'm actually I'm not going to want WanNa go but we can talk tomorrow. Okay well because I really WanNa go just to see the location. But I don't want to say what the location is and then we can report back. I'm hoping that it's the location that I think it. His if not by by the rules of media passes we all had our credentials out. In the. I'M GONNA have to do a lot of blur. It turned off his microphone. We can continue doing. I didn't know about the media night. I guess it wasn't invited but now there's no like official thing. I just saw it on. Lorenzo tennis all gay Like a media guide and it was just all the content out there no. I think it's a concert tonight that I wasn't going to yesterday but honestly like it's been a depressing couple of days. I just WANNA see concert with my wife Matt Moore No my wife life. That's Nice I'm still trying to figure out what matter. Jason is bills in town. Then you know that. There's a concert venue in Pembroke Pines now. Now Yeah there's like a big built like a little tiny arena in Pembroke pines. What a weird place for that? Let's go to the phones keen. While you're on the air how keen wow. That's on your unreal. Yes of course. Obviously why would I call otherwise I wanted to say medium time listener first-time caller and and the first time I got the show was when Dan asked ability to put it on the poll whether a mouse part is the BURP. Thank you for sharing really connected when you look at that moment I kind of been told it. Looked like Luke Wilson Not The football player the actor. Luke Wilson the football player was media. Night Las Vegas any Louis. Oh Jealous Anyway. My main question was I wanted to ask. I haven't really heard this take but you gotta imagine Jose Altuve is never going to get the hall of fame. I mean if they're not letting the big guys in there and this is where we are today is defining career. The scandal is gonNA carry him. I'm all the way he was the best Venezuelan hitter. And I just think might be hardest in the eyes of the Cabrera's pretty good okay. Hey He's in the top three at least yeah well. What is the top three? Miguel Cabrera altuve. What are we going to bobby you I was GONNA say of it's a little bit Maglione Venezuelan Mac is who's a better hitter Maglione Bobby Abreu I'm going all all the Venezuelan Baseball Roy? Moore Bobby Bray. I want to say a break about Louis. The worst part is I Google Google a list of Venezuelan baseball player. Before I made the call and I can't remember any of them you know who's a better game manglio. I would think that phobia braves cholera. Oh no but he copy on. You was in a better hitter than Maglione I mean but what are we judging by. I mean the avary package hitting the ball all around hitter manglio pilot or more pop Ronald Juniors swelling. Bobby Bray you started hitting pop hop when Derby Guy Yeah was this just like a Venezuelan hitters. Pablo Sandoval not really just. We haven't take. I do have a really interesting hypothetical tribute Martinez broncos interested. I mean I guess I'm very interested in your Salvador Karez. Are I appreciate it. Chris all right. A pitcher starts a game and finished the game. He's never replaces the pitcher and nobody else catches any any Balls or strikes. How many what is the least amount of pitches he can pitch and get a win? Twenty seven Bobby Brady. It was better hitter. No nine zero five innings over the eighteen year career. What was Bobby Abreu's hitting sad so ninety one two hundred one career? That's pretty that's pretty damn good fifteen. Oh what did I think he was not dead on I. I'd be surprised if he had a higher higher average Manglio. Oh Shit Magli was the man Maglione career average of three three zero nine. It was a better hitter. There you go. They play a five minute game in the guy pitches three innings and Ono. He's the only one that pitches five. It has to be fifteen. Oh the answer is zero. It's three intentional. Walks and three pickoffs and nine in a row. There's no pitches pitched I hate you chemo. That's why I said hypothetical it's never going to happen but it could technically happen. Well thank you for talking where he's not wrong guys. And Hey Roy keep up hockey talk. I love it. I'm a diehard fan. What this show guys thank you thanks? Bye Francisco's Valley's alleys Venezuelan. He's also Marlin. Did you know that Mike No Choice. Choice to let's go to Tosh Tosh in Queens. You're on the air on anytime are you. Are you on the shitter now cooking breakfast my girlfriend cooking Regalado Waterman automan hyphen kidney stone. Before and that is hard self speaker though Tosh what are you talking about now. You're right now sorry about that yeah so I wanNA give you guys some quick advice take under on Patrick mahomes because one hundred percent. He's definitely not throwing far as you think he's GonNa GonNa throw in the Super Bowl. Take the over on Jimmy okay. It's just it's GonNa be Antique under on a game in general all. What are you cooking bacon egg and cheese and my girls a little hung over? So I'm just trying to you know. Sign the back. Yeah more or less. She's not a big fan of the shell. which guys get into on a Monday night? Well I rang in my birthday at midnight. You know what whatever he's right. It'd be as parents because he was born congrats on the sex birthday de I'm also billy and Assu guys should one hundred percent do something on mystery crate. Where billy is the face of God and God's him just go off on high tastes battling it Out For a couple of minutes. I think that would be amazing. I don't know if anybody else would agree. But that's my. That's my opinion. Did you wash your hands before you started cooking one hundred percent so you know yeah come on. Although you know what Chris. Now that you talk raisins in the peak of the Oh. I'm with one hundred percents also Yeah been a big fan of the show for a long time. You guys have been a big part of every day for me and I'm not usually the type of person to call in to a show but I figured hey can I get even eight this shit on me real quick. I think I can say that because local good luck it's all you that's all I'll take. I'll take it. You gotta go. I'll leave that Long College Asia Year Dope. Thank you piece. What we learned today tosh his birthday was today or yesterday. I think it was today because he said midnight. Roy's a master of getting position yet and got quotes. Receipt is what I asked you to ask again. I would be happy to hear any other Andy Reid Club so you might have. That aren't the questions that I said you. Okay I ah talking. That's about. It established position. I ended up asking him if he believes in ghosts. Find out later. Spoil Your Jerk. We did he. Also Billy Thought Cooper Manning was probably sure so bad. I thought that he was pulling out. And I walked out. Right behind Cooper manning the same of how did you feel uncomfortable with six six. He's a tall. Do Tell me he was not wearing something paulie shore. Why was he was also seat within a Polish or cost but he was six foot six six? I was trying to get to him. He was doing something for Fox right. Has he had issues. Like I mean like no masking. No well he got injured so he couldn't play football anymore the more he was just walking like a hobby. I don't mean like I'm just asking. I don't know his history an injury history. Yeah like bad injury walking rational. These are odd. Yeah yeah that was a gimmick right the those clothes. He was wearing like nineties. CLO- no that's why he does. That's funny Shit Sober Fox but it's like a like a character that he's playing. Yeah well he doesn't walk around like anyone else to noses. She learns frigging facts tonight. I'm not like making fun. I would see saul him walk. No no let's be clear clear. Chris is now making fun of the way he walks. We are making fun of the way he was dressed. Yes because it was very paulie shore. You have but it's part of the thing seeing him before I was going to go up to him. I said it I was GonNA talk to him. I wanted to talk to him as a representative stupidity just to let them know that the NFL isn't the same thought manning in it and then tell them how excited we are about arch and then I. That's weird we're trying to start shit between him and the Colquitt Manning's in the coal quits because coal quits. I don't know if you know. It's like the premier putting family in the NFL and yeah. Yeah and yeah. We spoke to doesn't Colquitt actually find out what he believes. So did we did you. Yeah we did we did man. I really hope this sound came out good because we could have just wasted our lives last night.

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America Has Failed

Slate's The Gist

31:36 min | 11 months ago

America Has Failed

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Going to tell you to go to our twitter feed at slate just dot com. It's Monday August twenty twenty from slate. It's the gist I might ask. Greenfield Central Junior. High. School. Junior greenfield central junior high school closed the parents of a student whose test results were pending thought it was a good idea for him to await those results in a classroom turns out. It wasn't. So the school shutdown out of concerns for Corona virus there back open now, and they're hoping for the best that student's name by the way you in assessment s no. No I'm joking he was the New York. Matt who quit without notice Milwaukee brewers Lorenzo Cain did the same thing these professional athletes worth millions have the ability to walk away because they are a little concerned with the official position of their employer's let's hope for the best. Because hoping for the best, not really working out now I talk about baseball maybe too much on the show but to me, it's a useful insight as to what the lay person or the not particularly well informed leader things have corona virus and the answer is not enough with pronouncements like I'm not a quitter which was said by Major League Baseball's Commissioner Rob Manfred. When you say things like that, you convince me, you don't understand the outbreak you don't understand the pandemic. Now we have two teams with dozens and dozens of players who were infected with corona virus, and in each case, the teams hoped for the best and maintain that fighting spirit motivated, thinking plus scientific. Leading to bad decisions. These aren't Republican politicians are particularly partisan people who are making these bad decisions. They're just generally not well informed Americans falling back on what usually works, which is something like the ethic of toughing it out. It's not the wrong ethic for all situations. It is wrong for this situation public schools everywhere cognizant that there is, of course, a great cost to not educating students are being optimistic, which is to say in many many cases long they're being wrong. Because they want to open but they really shouldn't want that and they really should know that they shouldn't want that some schools will be able to open without breaks, but it will not be possible in most of the nation's largest cities. Here's how it goes. We can't fully open because we have not done the work we have not done to work to open, and we need to accept that there is point to thinking everything will work out with schools and the virus. Because everything does not work out with the virus we have not done what we needed to do. One thing we needed to do was put in a proper contact tracing regime we failed we'd utterly failed and we need to admit it. We failed because well, big reason is that there is a huge lag between testing and results and you can't really contact with this huge gap in knowing who might be infected. Why is there this huge gap because there's still a massive? Outbreak why is there still a massive outbreak both things like because there were no masks because there was complacency because there was poor science from the top bad luck and also actually wraps around itself because there was a lack of a good contact tracing regime. We still think we can fail and fail and fail and Fail on all these vital important metrics, and then in the end say don't worry we'll figure it out. We'll do something to overcome our stream of failures. What we are doing is we are relying on a stupid unfounded hope you call it optimistic, but it's not working. It's flop domestic now if you want to say, okay but what about the students who don't have devices and don't have Internet access who don't have parental resources which free them up to learn? Yes that is horrible and that is a failure to we could have. Addressed, at least some of the technological portions of the students but we have not, and once again we failed we do need to admit we fouled doesn't mean the failures permanent but the failure Israel and the failure is now there's no way massive school districts will reopen without causing more spread of the virus could have done something we did. Why are we always think that's okay. Why do we think we could be stupidly hopeful that the virus will go away in April and then be stupidly hopeful that it won't spread too hot states and then be stupidly hopeful that this or that drug will work or be stupidly hopeful that we could contact trace and then be stupidly hopeful that we need to do anything real and different by the time schools open. And expect to have no impact. We just do the next stupidly hopeful thing and convince ourselves that will dig us out of the last stupidly hopeful thing. Yeah. That's just working. Great so far. Schooling doesn't seem to have worked I don't mean our plans to open schools. This fall aren't working I mean that are means of acquiring knowledge through experience as people as a culture. We're also stupidly hopeful and we continue to be that way unabated. You know maybe putting the young people in the schools run by the stupidly hopeful adults to inculcate them in the stupidly hopeful ideology isn't the best idea. You may differ that again, you may be stupid or hopeful or that horrible combination of the two. I am an optimistic person I. Am you might say hopeful person but before I am optimistic or hopeful, you know what? I am primarily fundamentally a not stupid person a stupid pessimist especially in advance society that person could survive. It's not a fun life, but it does tend to avoid calamity, but you can't be both stupid and hopeful and expect to thrive not just within classrooms but within cultures. On the show today spiel about the case of Pentagon appointee Anthony Data I can confirm that you won't be confirmed that is trump's and around unaccountability. It earns half a star on the Tony Tape player Raider but I Kurt Andersen is the founder of spy magazine the erstwhile host of Studio three sixty the author of many bestselling books including fantasy land how America went haywire his New Book Is Evil Geniuses The unmaking of America put all the works together and you have a thesis. America. Is a land of great delusions filled with people great indifference to the actual schemes occurring under their noses because they are overly obsessed with these supposed schemes occurring beyond their sight. It's a pretty compelling point and a fairly disturbing one Kurt. Anderson up next. So, there are a lot of home security systems that offer all the bells and whistles, and I, mean that literally maybe even more than literally chimes lot of whales and maybe there are a lot of ways to enter codes here remotely may maybe people you could talk with on the other end, maybe fancy installations schemes that they have to send someone to. The House to install but here's the thing if you need to do all of that and you can't even get your mind around how your own security system works. Then it's not working well for you a home security system. That's so complicated that you never use. It is no security at all. Now think about what the opposite of this would be. It would. Be Simple and it would give you safety which brings me to simply safe. Simply safe's whole reason for being is to fight against the overly complicated and overly expensive security system and to keep you and your home safe. Simply safe was named the best overall home security of twenty twenty by US News and World Report and there are no outrageous monthly fees. There's no need to sign some two year contract. It's in the box you put the sensors up like I did it works well, like it does in my house every night head to simplisafe dot com slash gist, and get free shipping and a sixty day money back guarantee that simplisafe dot com slash gist to make sure they know that the gist sent you. Incurred Anderson's last book fantasy land. He pointed out that America. We're taking in by Wackadoo theories. This is a flaw characteristic of America. Now in his New Book Evil Geniuses, he points out that there's something in the American character that is susceptible to just that we empower these evil geniuses to essentially run roughshod over the interests of most Americans I smell trilogy I don't know what the third book is going to be, but here's what Kurtz doing book by Book. He's essentially defining. American exceptionalism because when people use the phrase I think you might think it means Oh. WHAT MAKES AMERICA BETTER BUT AMERICAN exceptionalism there. These weird things about America like this high violence rate unusual in the Western world in Curtis put his finger on two phenomena that seemingly are applicable to American. Also dragging its down Kurt Anderson joins me once more thanks for coming on Kurt always my pleasure to talk to you in any format for any reason Mike I'm delighted to be here and it's funny that you say that a trilogy I don't think so I think this is it a friend of mine said, Oh you've written a two volume history, the functioning of America. Between fantasy and evil genius. So it did come out of thinking about and then talking endlessly to you and others about fantasy realize that that was kind of half the story you know that was the. Cultural and and crazy thinking magical thinking. Loving. Exciting falsehood part of America has been around for hundreds of years and. became an acute illness after being a chronic condition and last few decades, and there was this other part this very rational highly rational group of people who did what they wanted to do more or less simultaneously starting fifty years ago to take over the economy and get richer and more powerful and try to keep it that that way. So. Okay. So it's not the case that the conditions laid out in fantasy land because it wasn't so much about certain people. It was about background condition, the culture of America. So it's not necessarily case that fantasy land was the soil and these are the flowers. It was more to concomitant occurrences that you're putting your finger on right one one, the other one was more or less contained in the bloodstream from the get go five, hundred years ago. This one didn't have to happen this way we were in my theory of the case we were doing better and better and getting more and more fair along with the rest of the developed world or most of the last century tell. The nineteen seventies and then the nine hundred, eighty s when we went one way because these guys. decided they wanted us to and the rest of the ritual went the other way, and so it is another version of American exceptionalism wishes to say we are exceptionally peculiar and more and more different from the rest of the rich world. This was done to us. We winked ourselves we were hoodwinked and the other one just happened. Alas the fantasy land problem was yes. Out of the soil whereas this was a very deliberate piece of agriculture by the rich. Right and big business. How are the evil geniuses that you're writing about different from just the general notion of plutocrats want to attract power what specifically about this specific group makes them sets them apart the fact that they did what they did when they did it that I being in my being a young man in my twenty s in one thousand, nine, hundred look. While Reagan's been elected. Wow, that's surprising. Interesting. I hadn't realized that ten years before that they had built this set of institutions to do what needed to create this paradigm shift to convince the American chattering class and Americans in general that read was good and market value of the only guys that matter and all the rest. So they had such a long game I mean. They are geniuses I. They are brilliant and I think there's a lot that the left can look at that happened in the last two years as a chronicler in this book and say, Wow, they really knew what they wanted kept their eye on the ball and play for the long run. So That's how they're geniuses in wasn't just business guys. It wasn't just University of Chicago intellectuals. It was all of them doing what they did. Best. It was like different like the Air Force Army and navy in this whole class war that they came together. I'm not suggesting a crude conspiracy that they is a nineteen seventy and said, okay, let's do this. This is what we're doing in then did it however During the seventies and into the eighties, it amounted to some more of a conspiracy than I imagined was possible because as you know as you know in Fantasyland hi, it's been a lot of time saying conspiracy theories they're nuts. It's part of our part of our downfall. Well, they were evil geniuses because they really had a tactical vision and stuck to it and stuck to it and stuck to it in a way that. I mean, they didn't even have the crisis that the Great Depression was to say, okay now we're GonNa take advantage of this they had kind of half baked bad times crazy inflation oil crisis all that in the seventies that they used. It wasn't one of those cases where will yes they took advantage of this existential national crisis and then took over and hijack. The economy no that also makes them more genius and more evil. So who are they? Who is chief among the architects of the economy? We live this society we live in. Now a Milton Friedman is certainly one of them. He and his libertarian cohort were were really on the outs until the nineteen sixties and the sentence. So he was one of them the the otherwise. UNMEMORABLE supreme. Court Justice Lewis Powell wrote this extraordinary memo laying out the plan in Nineteen seventy-one. He's one of them certainly Charles Coke his brother brother as well. Several other of the billionaires are among them. There are lesser known people like the two guys and started the Heritage Foundation Robert Bork again, who I only knew as he was the guy that being. The right put him up to be a Supreme Court justice in one thousand, nine, hundred seventy was far more of one of the evil geniuses in far more influential in all kinds of ways than I knew until I did my research about antitrust about. As as we know about the reading of the constitution that gives the right everything they want originalism textual was he was one Robert Bartley who was the editorial page editor of the? Wall Street Journal starting in the early seventies was definitely one of them crystal the former socialist. Turned right winger Bill Kristol's father is one of them. The young people who started the Federalist Society Definitely, Alan Greenspan, Mike Milkin, rush limbaugh, grover norquist's Rupert Murdoch I could go on. Yeah. It's so interesting. I'm fascinated by the Powell memorandum the years nine, hundred, seventy one, and this guy who's about to join the Supreme Court. But not in a particularly distinguished way writes this memorandum and it really does lay out the blueprint for what the economy is. To become what the memo does and lays out is sets the foundation or at least describes presciently describes the era where now some call it lake capitalism some call at hyper capitalism there's usually a lot of pejorative names, but the fascinating thing about it is it was commissioned by the Chamber of Commerce. It was the most mainstream institutions that were articulating what would be this you know extreme form of capitalism we're suffering now I wonder what that means. You're absolutely right and of course, it was also the most mainstream corporate figures the CEO's of Berry biggest corporations who've got together at that same moment and said the Chamber of Commerce. They're not really doing the job. We gotta get together and have a all just the two hundred dollars to get this thing right and be politically militant. So I think in a funny way as I write about in this is one of the things they did was take what had become the spirit of the sixties and early Seventies. The the confrontational all of that and decided wait we don't need to be these boring quiet CEO's and intellectuals and business guys anymore. We can get out there and go wild in the streets. So I think it's hard to overstate how freaked out a lot of them were as the EPA was suddenly created and ocean suddenly created and business was bad and gigantic majorities of Americans thought business was bad and unfair and. Didn't think they thought necessarily, you won't believe where we're going to get by nineteen ninety maybe some of them but I think they really felt like, oh. My God this is the fight of our lifetime. This is an existential battle, and then they just kept winning anyone beyond their wildest dreams. So I think that's why it was so extreme and it was extremely in a way that they hadn't been i. mean the Labor Movement Back in the thirties and forties obviously had been organized in a class based organization to get wealth shared more. Workers, and and so they finally in so many ways took up that they look backwards look. Labor movement. Oh look what's Libertarians of done Oh, look at these left-wing law firms and consumer welfare things. Do that so that they did it because their corporate guys and Organiz they've really well really rapidly and kept at it. So. How do we go back? How do we had people sees the power or how does the culture? You right so much about how the culture is on this one track that both parallels and ignores the economic realities. But what is the prescription since we still live in a more or less functional democracy maybe a little less than more. What is the prescription for the people saying this sucks. To what America should be and what it was for decades and decades. Well, the reasons I wrote geniuses was to show that In living memory as a nineteen seventy sex let's say the bicentennial year things were pretty good. We got an antitrust system that work pretty well, we had a judiciary that had not been taken over by ideologue. We had taxes that were reasonable rather than craze low on rich people in. Business. So, in living memory, it was working. Okay. So it's not like Oh we have to become Denmark tomorrow. Now, we ought to look to become one of the nordics tomorrow in my view, but it was working pretty well. So so how we do that I, leave that to the I think that she probably won't be Vice President or President but Elizabeth Warren whatever her weaknesses or strengths as a candidate were are in my view had it rights and what was wrong and done is though is always been like this and because. We started growing less fast came in a ditch. We were steered into a ditch and the driver's hopped out got in their limo and drove off I'm an elder telling you young people that it wasn't always this way and what looks radical now was the way I mean in terms of tax rates and I trust aggression and all the rest was the way it was Intel forty years ago. That's one way to get there and I think God knows you look at the hauling numbers on seventy among people but he not just young people when they pull about universal basic income or what the ideal fairness of. Disagree should be this country on economics is a lot more left than it knows. So many of the evil geniuses you write about had tactics and strategy and they saw themselves as part of a movement and they probably define themselves not as evil but as people who are huge cheerleaders for capitalism and certainly conservative maybe Republican now we have the new strain of. Evil Geniuses, the tech geniuses who there are exceptions Peter thiel among them. Elon Musk is on the sanity political spectrum. But now a lot of these tech bros. see themselves as like good liberal people does that change anything much if the inheritors right of the evil genius mantle want to at least see themselves and literally put in their mission statement don't be evil. CanNot have any effect I'm not hopeful on that front of. facebook and Google are now the largest company in. Apple. For that matter. The largest companies that ever existed in real terms young inflation-adjusted. So and they are benefiting as no company has benefited in this country since the nineteenth century from being monopolies effectively monopolies. So the don't be evil and yeah, we're nice liberals here in Silicon Valley know that doesn't give much hope for changing because this term that started being used in the seventies I'm I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative which meant like keep my taxes super-low and let me have as much power in my business as possible. But if you WANNA, be gay you WANNA smoke week sure. Well, that isn't what we need and that was part of the by off for the last two years is is allowance. For personal liberty up the Wazoo from guns to weed. But no, I'm not hopeful really when people like Mark Zuckerberg as awful as he is in something West do suggest that well, we're going to need something like a universal basic income because we're going to eliminate all the jobs that there are those aren't his exact words but I at least those guys because they face faxon our engineers and can run the numbers. They see that we are not going to be creating enough jobs that are economically. Make sense to pay people decent incomes. They understand that at least they're happy to go to the next phase of digital feudalism, but they're at least willing to entertain the idea of paying serfs. Well, you know Yeah Kurt Andersen is the author of the nonfiction works the real thing reset fantasy land, the purported nonfiction work. 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084  Jason Weavers Lunch Break w/ Jason Weaver

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084 Jason Weavers Lunch Break w/ Jason Weaver

"Yes Jason fucking weaver I say that because I am very excited to have this man on the podcast welcome to van lengthens the Rep Hill where we give you the brutal reality truth today great if talented hard-working black-americans got support from all over Tyler fucking Perry is your example of the fact that you only need you tyler Perry opened up three hundred and thirty two acre studio this past weekend every black person in the world was there except the question is how does a life in show business change your perspective on regular life what is Jason Weaver now you only need you it will be fantastic ideal forty years old looking forward to he's already been in the business for so long he's already accomplished so much where did you go themselves that makes for a better country to me but in lieu of that you only need each other is America a society where each group independent of their ethnicity is interested in a thriving middle-class in a in the everyone from all areas of the ethnic sphere being able to sustain America for their endeavors for the be the personal professional it'll be great if people were reinvent down so we're GONNA get into that in one second before we do I wanNA talk directly to black people black people right now black people mentioned these guys in the podcast one of the first people to do that to seem act do the whole nine right music play music Jason Weaver as a we were to come back and take over music after he was on one of the biggest records of that year and it didn't happen he's Gonna I have an example people okay man you say that everyone says that you have any examples tyler fucking Perry we know Jason Weaver as a youth playing young Michael Jackson to being the voice the singing voice of Simba in the lion king to go onto B. Movies drumline at l. you mean he opened his studio up named it after black people it was funded by black people in this interview or one other thing I want to talk to him about specifically was he had a massive hit with one call away went to number two we're all expecting is the whole story of why he didn't jump on the success of that record what happened who fucked over Jason Weaver in that situation he's very honest about go and rent the videos of Tyler Perry's plays before the movies were coming out if he wasn't coming to your city I remember the films are good but what you cannot have a conversation about is about the fact that he has believed in empowered even the people that lionsgate that started putting Tyler Perry's films out they put them out not because they thought that the Tyler Perry films the fact that Tyler Perry was going all around and started such a frenzy in our community that he made himself the hottest ticket missing into our communities they were invested into our professions if they were investing into our wellbeing that'd be fantastic that's what we want that to me with these ladies were some of the things that went right for him some of the things that went wrong for him it's a fascinating story and he goes into all of it the people that helped the studio gets built were other black people and he made all of this money by catering directly to had so much success at such a young age also what was that like how much money he spent in a strip club what was what was he out here and used black people for his success from the beginning I remember when you had scores of other black people are going to be empowered by the fact that he exists no one else made that possible he was serving them now a lot of us have lambasted the movies black people you can have a conversation about whether or not you like Tyler Perry's films you can have a conversation whether or not you think the Tyler Perry Tyler Perry believed in black audiences and black audiences rewarded tyler Perry with unbelievable power wealth and influence and it can happen again invest culturally economically socially and spiritually into we didn't see it he did he saw that the subject matter that he was touching he didn't worry about trying to get his shit on Broadway he was worried about trying to give shit on MLK MLK and it is happening in will happen as long as you remember that the first thing that you should do is we'll play well in Idaho they knew that they will play well in New Orleans they knew that they will play well you US believing in an investment into us took him to a billion dollar entity to where now countless that's what I'm saying don't be so quick to cross over that you get stepped over in Gary Indiana in Atlanta that everyone that there was a block of people that would support Tyler Perry because he was serving them inspired by that I'm inspired by the rewards from being with your own from believing in your own hold hands with the people that are gonNA lift you up when you need somebody to pull you that's what he did I'm no one excluded everybody can come make movies with everybody Tyler Perry was in the teenage mutant Ninja turtles he was a star trek he's he's he's and the feelings that he was stirring we're gonNA work in the long run for him to where he could own something and give it back to his culture I watched that documentary not too long ago she was crazy okay look Jason Weaver love this brother a group of people that will reinvest back into you that's the people that best understand you that's the people that most care about you and that is the people that you can ride a lot of us had looked at the art and been like we don't like that is whatever guess what we were wrong we wrong that's Ford I believe in yourself the rest is up to me and you breath in the face of all of this for me personally the people down Baton Rouge people that I understand their situations the people out here in these areas and if you're uncompromising you will be rewarded by those people it's called cultural trust and I believe in it and Tyler Perry is an example of what happens when you have it he's always had it whether he was being rewarded for it or criticize hey to make black movies it's okay to go to black award shows it's okay to feel the love from reation fuck you no-one said that segregation no one said anything about that was being said is that it's okay your people and make that more important than any other love that you will get and if you do that and if you do it well then I appreciate you and respect you so much for using your voice in your platform as a man as a black man it can be mentally draining it can be spiritually depleting at times but it can also be really really really rewarding when minute yeah Angela Bassett Angela Bassett Lawrence Hilton Jacobs Jacobs remained Jackson junior bumper Robinson shout my my guy bumper so I remember that listen you guys I'm not even GonNa lie to you me and Jason just had a heart to heart and a little pre interview outside I was telling Jason just how long I've been a fan man and I'll kill tells eighty Goswami and Jackson's maybe some of my previous work whatever the case may be men have really really means a lot to me to receive that support not only right here like back in the day pressure my pop so by TV just so we could watch the Jackson family American dreams amazing man we had just moved interview but first and foremost thank you and thank you to everybody out there who has ever support my work you know from the time that I know that I do not take any of that for granted and that I pray and I hope that I will continue to make you all proud and yeah and and let me also say do you know the multi-talented brother now thank you man I appreciate in Dob I was because we were having this conversation prior to us even doing it started like sort of as far as culture was concerned we followed your career ever since demand what I'm saying so you know not I appreciate your contributions bro to speak on our behalf intelligently passionately with facts and with information that you can back from from La okay we lived out in La for a little while and I saw it on it was on the cover of I think a Ebony magazine all you guys how how old here's how we I'm so thankful for that because first of all what I recognize and I'm grateful for is that you know not to get religious because I'm we have grown together grown up together and man I just I really really appreciate it and I appreciate everyone at approaches me on the street my community but from others out there because what I was explaining to you earlier you know this is a very complicated business and it could be very difficult at times 'cause I want this to be on the record because this is important this is one of the main reasons why it was really excited about being on the show today and I was telling you this in the room now I love the Jackson I love drumline and you feel like you're getting you're gonNA love season like you're getting love dude it definitely feels like love season and on the issue he's made movies with the family that preys that's my favorite joint that he's done got Kathy Bates in it like nobody who's very slowly we about to get into this pop some pills boot up the lion king was only got one white person in the house today and that's GonNa give it up which is a waiver yeah yeah get to have encounters and conversations like this with people who have genuinely supported you inhaled you down throughout the years and whether we've known each other not or actually grew up together share with your viewers out there that may not be able to directly identify with our experiences that we have here in this country as black men and in this world yeah and you have found a very unique compelling and authentic way to connect with people of all races in order for us to have you were in the lion king I didn't know you know that you had that much to say I didn't know that you know your story than what you've experienced growing up is somewhat ritual person so I gotta keep a real this is God moving I don't know what it is I don't know why I believe that I'm being prepared for have genuine conversations about the issues that are at hand and that are ultimately affecting us all and so I just want to let you know from one brother right now use are you feeling more just how much people are big fans because whenever I've never said your name and had any had anybody say they're brother and production partner Mark Stewart My family is comprised mostly people from the music world for real are we going I really really appreciate it and I respect you a great deal so this is a this is an honor for me to be here man thank you for having me because our mothers were involved in it my my mother and my aunts and my cousin Cynthia Hurrell we're all background singers for re so in in in addresses me respectfully lets me know that they appreciate my contribution you guys have no idea how much that personally means to me so please turn other I really appreciate you man and please know that we all out here are looking at you and respect in what you're doing and using your the new season and when you are being prepared for new season and Lynn God has seen you put in the work in knows that you're worthy and deserving of it when you I mean I don't WanNa say giving you your do I'm just seeing a lot of Jason we were here in a lot of stories about you and it seems the day whatever it is they're doing to get on twitter or instagram or whatever and be like hey do much respect like I didn't know that it is I've been you know it seems like you're in a love season right now whereas seems like people are not something that I felt that I could excel really well in that came natural to me that was acting it just so happened I was able to develop voices contribution and men I'm so grateful I'm grateful to God and I'm grateful to everybody that even just has on their heart and on their spirit to take time out of because I was like singing in church my aunt and Stewart Turkeys mom tricky lenient marks mom had a all female mass choir group in Chicago called the Senate Laney grew up playing keys and piano My cousin Cynthia was singing in the choir of my mother was one of the lead vocalist all sound the original now I'm up on my music stuff okay so we all grew up and in that right tricky we were able to take those skills that we honed and transition into the entertainment industry and By by the grace of God we have all in a choir so we all learnt honed our skills Do this beautiful experience that my aunt was able to orchestrate and put together an essentially I play drums for the NFL it's as a teenager my first solo singing solo like at eight years old seven years old in Church I've been very successful in our own right and he continues to bless us and we rocket man like I'm really really proud of my family every way even those who aren't all migrated during the great migration and me and my cousins we grew up there so like me my cousin coup correal tricky these kinds of situations where just out of the blue just seems like there's just this huge influx of love in in newfound appreciation from our creative note I was hitting notes and then you know just growing up watching my family and watching everybody excel creatively and their own thing you know I just I naturally let's and they would tour The Chicago Land Area Triangle Sound Studio being negative or having someone say something like even when you came in here Mattie saw you yeah matty who doesn't give a fuck about anyone like Maddie goes first of all I started viewing having success in film and TV when I did my first film which was called the long walk home with which star Whoopi Goldberg and Sissy ever since and a lot of kids sacrifice commitment and all of those things it's not something that you even understand in the game I'm very very proud of my family 'cause they're they're amazing people in Phnom I love them all they keep me going so you start to have I think he recognizes that all you try to do is put good energy out there and connect with people on a real level and be positive he blesses you with you get older right you don't even 'cause you're you're you're you're in your childhood you're going about the business of basically entertaining yourself I remember mom is always I understand you're asking me to do this for your entertainment right she's been working all day right and missing and they say they ask is right in the only thing you can do is home was llamas hard but that didn't happen you came out and you hit role because it was a period piece and I'm sitting in my little honey wagon and getting ready to do a scene and that was the first time that I realized like hey man I'm on I'm on a path basic and it was centered around the Montgomery bus boycott what was it was centered around two families or white and black family in the middle of the Montgomery bus you like having to get familiar with those things at such a young age how did that change your mind from around some of your friends and stuff like that you're on Stewart Laney Stewart shallow tall guys body familiar with those names out there in music those are cousins that was my first cousins wow yeah tricky stewart is my first cousin Correal Laney Oh balance keyword it was okay Jason you dedicate this amount of time and no no I mean my family is originally from Atlanta the Heywood family because my grandfather was a passer who had been moved up to set long hours you're trying to get better as an actor and doing all those things so really does that does that grow up faster Oh yeah but it doesn't I mean for me it didn't grow me up I didn't grow up faster in a way where they had some kind of negative impact on my life I think understand in mental energy To your work on on that day whatever it is that you have to do is an audition that you have to do okay focus on that get that done it's that's what we're on we're not intimately we're not acquainted with sacrifice Gotcha and work ethic and things like that do you have your own you start to have your success around what age I mean honestly although people know me from the Jackson's mini series the Franklin Oh wow Curtis Mayfield back and you're like you know so what would have happened if you can sing did call man Bro I would've just been out of the family was one of the create this balance in my life because she recognized that the circumstances that I was encountering I was involved with extraordinary in their own right before now you hungry Ford and you willing to put in the work in the time and the dedication sacrificing commitment to take it to the next level and that's the journey that I've been on down at the dinner table in engaging with neighbors engaging what my class like even throughout the whole time that I was working as a kid then I had tutors and stuff that I was awed you avoid how does your parents you know how did your parents and you avoid we see that with so many child stars they avoid it having a negative impact on your life now once that's done and you've done your job Okay nounce Thomas Switch back into the kid that you'd get the homework done let's see forward success were you know what I'm saying and then from that point on the you know is like a it's like a vampire having his taste of first blood whatever God and I just remember when I got cast when I was eventually brought down to Montgomery Alabama in the first time I put on my work uh and your badgering me about this for your entertainment right what I'm saying is what I'm asking is I for for most kids for a lot of key and I think because she consciously created that playing field where there was that balance there that helped me a lot to be able to Maine Chicago through the church the Protestant Church to oversee they church there on the south side so my mother and my aunts and my uncles rain my focus being able to maintain somewhat although I was a young man and coming coming to understand myself I still had a knowledge of you have to encounter situations anyhow you have to be a man or whether cameras on or not so that was something that my mother really instilled in me very early on self and what I lately stood for when I was about first and foremost on never lost that throughout the course of my journey because of that I'm reminded you know from people in my neighborhood like I mean Chicago's one of those places like man you talk slick to somebody you're going to get punching a fucking face so we were a begged my mom go to Baba's video kids look what look what that is I have to leave the house and I was begging my mom and my mother would be like yeah I'm tired similar to mine I didn't know you had up bring a lot of people even from our hometown Chicago don't even know from the crib don't even know from the shy I thought you were from Atlanta to this just Montezuma not like if I was talking fresh basketball court if I say something greasy but I'm getting stolen you know what I'm saying and I have to eat that in remember like hey man he's still has to go out there and be a mad and stand ten tolls down or in hold his shit now so you gotta learn how to do that regardless so there ain't no recognized that I was in a very different place in a different position but she also recognize Hey God forbid if this doesn't work out for him especially young black kid coming from Chicago there weren't a lot of us doing it you know what I'm saying that much less booking jobs even auditioning you know what I mean so because it helps you gauge was worth it right when you become an adult right that's right and baton rouge talked to someone they fucked you up yup changed got damnit when his son was brought up this man lit up stop lying on black fucking father we here man we hear and you're building up your career at this point then you're about to the role of a lifetime at that point thus far you know that I would be on set with when the job was done go home and I go back to school I go were I'll go right back into my regular routine my mother was really determined they try yeah so when you get to be about twenty five or twenty six and you're in the situation is a little tense you have to make decision whether or not it's worth getting your clothes fucked up oh boy eighteen he's eighteen miles name is jalen islas weaver he is the best thing that God is ever place in my life he is the shit so shout out on Sun life outside of whatever accomplishment I've had in my career greatest accomplishment greatest joy in my life is watching my son come into into this world shot his mother Mimi me absolutely necessary right you just don't want to have that image now I mean I think that's why you get you know a lot of the younger generation not to view to wind can't sing that's gotta be the worst because everybody can sing everybody they will and they all sing and just not seeing it like like I remember when the wine was popping and shot to the winds I'm not saying pop now there was a time when they were super pop and I always would wonder what thank you so much she and I aren't together anymore or anything like that but we've been able to work really well as parents and raise our son and so I commend you there's like a ton of fathers you know like myself black men who are involved in children's lives you know what I'm saying and the the greatest joy in not like whether or not it's worth was gonNA happen happen know what's going to happen it's disrespect that's why I feel like because I'm around some people that have been I love and I'll stop lying here Jason's whole fucking demeanor would you as well for the the amazing job that you've done in in helping co parent with our child some good energy so you you're building in Hollywood and you ain't onset and Nah man ain't nobody having it here you know keep your cool otherwise I'm gonNA check your temperature every time when you grow up like that right yeah urban hand or close hand magnate fucking Shit they talk out of the side and Nikolai and then when you turn on them and Oh my God I can't believe do you know what you just said we talk a lot about today the multi-facetted young stars that we have like Jacob Latimore Trevor Jackson we mentioned these guys than yeah so I'm dying to me that actually makes for more respectful man because it after a while if you're not if it's not like sugar coconut in there ain't no running away from problems oh you got beef with a bully or whatever the stand up to him like give a fuck because whether you on TV or not AH listen I'm a big proponent for that I'm a big proponent in boxing when you're young like gin box down you gotta get brushing face and the reason why I bad about the youngest generation my son is one of my son is eighteen so it's not like there's no discipline is eighteen eighteen years my son Jalen what's up champ love you I'm here Rabanne remember when we shot when we were shooting in Pittsburgh was when the La riots happened right and we were looking at the La riots on say right okay so it's ninety one thus far but at that point play Michael Jackson Now this was what ninety ninety one yeah this had been Oh yeah it was definitely I think it was like ninety two because commanded you feel overwhelmed did you feel any pressure then you know being completely honest and transparent Yeah like you feel remember the time right so he was like on tour during rest in peace and he was like on tour and so it really wasn't like expect it but if I'm wrong Germane I'm sure correct me if I'm wrong was specifically for Michael Jackson at the he added contractually stipulated that whoever played him he had eight Great Wylie draper we were all personally chosen by Michael and it was extensive and pretty l. net time would have had to have been heels it would have been was the video with Magic Johnson remember the time street and so what I guess because it was causing such a disruption he didn't actually come that day and then one day numbered he was alive in he was dead he was he was it there's there's not a star ah so but so anyway the the how does that happen I mean when I say how does it happen how you doing on your mind a little bit of the pressure but for kids like me at that time that just wanted shot that just wanted to show what I can do and you know to express myself creatively eight of him to drop by onset but I remember there was one time when he happened to be in California while we were shooting in the there was Leeann display my talent from Michael to give me an opportunity like that changed my life for the better like intense auditioning process Did you meet Michael Jackson briefly and it was kind of a thing where it was like it was onset people remember now Michael Jackson has the biggest popstar of all time is what he was right at that particular point he wasn't really looking and you're gonNA play him yeah what was that like man an amazing experience you know a lot of people when they asked me about it the first thing have the final say he had to have the final approval so everyone that you saw from you know the first Michael to the second one which was me to the third one which was plagued by the that I can compare it to buy there's no way there's no one right now that if they drop a video they're gonna put it on the news not by right after eight uh-huh and what led up to that story was like he had during his time he was doing like I WANNA say like the dangerous tour is like and announcement made that Michael Jackson was going to pop up on the side so everybody just kind of went ape shit crazy nobody really got any work done that day I'm talking about professionals in the end somebody wants to meet you come at me real quick news something going on because the way was being handled and then when I was brought in like this little trailer like just just let you know don't leave Channel Four News Watch we're going to be premiering Michael Jackson's video the way you make me feel at the end so it was maybe about two or three days later I was onset in a PA Like a second it was like a second ADP A to the sinus and it was like in and out like somebody brought me in a trailer like hey there's Michael and he was in disguise to like yeah well I thought it I thought that was pretty trippy I think that helped to relieve a lot of the tension in the stress too because pardon me Michael Jackson fans and Jackson family and by the time I was called back on his set and are carried out with me man like as long as I knew that that he vouched for it and that he was supportive of my work oh you mean well yeah did he had to pick me for the role like Michael Jackson preach for the Road Yeah anybody that play Michael Jackson and I think this goes for the whole family as well I just saw this what I thought at the time older white men sitting in his seat and then he started talking and I was I I was asked on twitter whether or not I would still be listening to Michael Jackson League fans are like serious about them yeah so you know I I know that because like I was is I didn't even tag 'em jj forever but I would say for like three days yeah people were just Abe and then and then I looked at his eyes that's way not to have like a principal Jamie say bridges is You know I knew it was him and he just gave me you know quick acknowledgment and let him be not it's seen a couple of dailies in thought out and doing a fantastic job so far and you know keep it up when you're like because we're so our emotions are not we don't know how to control them yet as children around as like I'm still you know this man has made his transition his afterlife years past with these people are you know just as dedicated as they were then when he was still with us in the physical and you know and that that's awesome 'cause they hit me up from time to time and you know semi encouraging messages and all of that and I think it's important to you know that you know bowl bowl bowl as we like the fans of man like they are balking now they serious bro like their series and they come out like I get mad over stuff I really shouldn't be mad about I'm still like crying over so I really should do you develop emotionally in a normal way when you're turning on your own motions and you're crying and you're getting angry well yeah I mean I can't speak for everybody how do you do before myself for his fans in with everything that has gone on being being based on the fact that we don't know the truth so to speak of everything to have people like that that are still looking regular Sheila they're trying to get you on the plane yeah and you're beating up Joe Jackson what's wrong with you as a kid when you're tapping into emotions like that I always wondered about Child Actors Alike d program and stop thinking like Malcolm X. because he was so immersed in that world that when he when when Djeddai actors like I remember you know even people were talking about well I've heard Denzel say that before like after he did Malcolm X. he had which he did a phenomenal job but I don't know man I you know I'll I I'll attribute that when a guy just the talent that he blessed me with to be able to tap in turn on and then when it's time to be Jason we begin tap out but a lot of people so hard to do for a lot of difficult for a lot of people to do and and I mean these are you know walk on a wondering exactly so now I mean you know for for certain actors they have a difficult time or it's more challenging to when you look at his eyes us on Michael Jackson's micro hat like a superstar is will you be like Oh shit my when I saw that finding cartoon of many of our lives an important story chance to many of is very very important word experience ever being hot yeah you are hot yeah you were hot happens with Jackson's and then you get you get you get a TV show right now wrapped he was still responding to certain things if he was you know Malcolm so he goes to subway you don't talk to me white man have done anything differently because that was all by divine design there's nothing that you can do except be prepared for the moment it's the it's happening with the Lion King did you have any idea how big of a deal that that was going to be not at all not at all if you had known that it was going to be a big deal it helped to kind of thrust to the forefront and created many more opportunities for me since then that was the the first project that helped initiate my business relationship with Disney which even up to this day is still really good one successful go down with the mouse are you hot new goes is I don't know if you haven't been hot before I let them actually I have not yet been but you got you got deserve his legacy and celebrate and it big time so you do that yes I want to ask you about one scene no thank you man and it was a defining moment in my life like you know it helped to like you said usher in this era numb in my professional life we're it was such a major blessing I remember and again I gotTa shout out my mother I adjust is a true story and I've never it's something that a lot of people don't get a chance experience I remember two chains wants out to James to change came to office one time okay and men to James he was hoping lately after that I got recruited for the Lion King Lion King yes right then there you go to the Lion King Yeah so you're like you're it's happening earn often but for me never was never had so after this happens like you gonNA run like you you're like you're hot you're hot yes SUV experience because it wasn't popular back then and be a triple threat not like it is now everyone's abroad I was just having this conversation is you see somebody acting and they're doing so well still down with the mouse loved the mouse out real time e hey we're not going to do we're not gonNA fuck up any money here on the repeal we're not GonNa do that Oh and I remember and I'm not gonNA call out any names exec because some of those guys are still my friends but I remember that share this story before it anybody but I at the same time had gotten the opportunity do lion king I just signed a record deal with motown records to be in the lying hang so check this out I went to my mom because it was like one final add to sign a long form agreement and was in and you know record companies back then you know if it was especially when an animated thing and they were talking about a man you know if you WanNa be if you WANNA be taken seriously in arms accepted I wanna be light I want people to get my work and my project so I was made to kind of feel during that time like it was a mistake act and then you meet them and they go able to check my music and I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that right everybody now no it's the thing now everybody now it's be and you want people to take your artistry seriously like man you can't really you know fuck no cartoon and so it had me you know I'm a kid I'm impressionable I'm in my teens I wanna be that's what we're GONNA do so no shout Disney I'm still here baby jake now but all jokes aside I mean that was one of those you know one of those moments remember Disney Senate or my attorney Senate and I asked my mom at the tables I do you really think that I should do this the show we evolved in right now 'cause I go brother Jose show makes you feel comfortable if I were to attain says to me he goes you know like he's I asked him of course and he goes call I got I got hot 'cause I was like Oh shit hot on glee but I hadn't yet been hot you like a lot of people don't Ryan thank you mom she said let me tell you some Jason who gives a fuck where people to let me tell you don't miss somebody that's been and I sat there and I thought about it for like two minutes and I saw my name on the dotted line and fix fix that agreement out the next day Ashley look her up man she's a phenomenal woman and I'm not just saying it because she's my mother my mother has done so much for me and and mine tired and she said I'll tell you this if you allow people to influence you like that and if you turn your nose up at God's blessing that'll be one of the biggest mistakes you ever make in your life is business for a long time and work with a lot of great people I've never had this kind of opportunity throughout all of the years that I've had my career my mother was really successful you know what I mean this is as well I met you know what we're talking about real conversation come on now so yeah so anyway yeah so you were doing it wasn't as popular then for sure something that maybe you thought was going to happen and maybe that didn't happen okay that's a great question now when I became a man game and that's the honest to gosh truth so salutes you mom Kitty Haywood any yard out there no my mom her history and music when she's done here you guys have I just can't wait to be king and Cooma talent and all of that because I had a supportive black mother who gave me the real fucking and the rest after that was history and you know to this day that's why always whenever I get the opportunity especially as relates to the lion king man I share family and so I just want to salute her and salute all the other black women my family room so so what so all of this happens right yes in eighteen nineteen years old and I was doing smart guy and smart eventually got cancelled and so I'd thing in life other than being in the industry all I known up into that point was industry and when I was blessed you know took my earnings took my money and relocated down to Atlanta because I wanted to be closer to my family I wanted to be born through was there a time when they've got heart hell yeah when when did that start to sit here when tell me tell me what you thought was going to happen a conscious decision that I made to step into that phase of my life because I wanted to have a deeper connection with something so that was difficult as young man kind of you know process that and work through that would eventually I did in professionally because I was down in it personally and professionally that I was not expecting so you know not to get too deep into personally me and my son's mother come to find out after all that I'm Chuck Ham Shack Kellyanne Bury town yeah so yeah a lot of these end in the sisters Wells Diane all them I'm not sisters as well then don't don't get mad I didn't part of that community that creative community and I wanted to be around other black folks that were excellent and what they do I wanted to be around it and I also essay because they telling me at at the label that if I if I do this they won't like my audience won't take me seriously and no one will respect me and my mother true ah everyone's yeah because I mean you got great is Trevor Jackson cover is shot lattimore and both of those young brothers I met Trevor you're gone Atlanta in I was Kinda like out of the mix here that was kind of a personal sacrifice together related to market career because I just wasn't I wasn't as active I was in in people's faces as much so at different times why wanted to turn up or whether it's for the sake of providing heard that success with her with my mother because if it had not been for her giving me the correct information I would have made a costly mistake and so on wanted to experience something real in my life I did want to start a family so like me becoming a father at a young age that wasn't something where like I made a mistake or any no that was a d a family are just wanting to contribute in some kind of way creatively I found it more difficult over the years to like tap had I been out here and been more actively involved you know I may I may be at overall rewarding experiencing good decision that I made because I think it helped me mature a great deal as a as a man and it was something that I need it because my reality come in you know take that spot which I have no problem with like that was a conscious decision that I made in honestly it was a rewarding local like you know I I was fortunate enough to do drumline down there At L. Shout out to Dallas Austin I've worked on into a father it helped to usher in a new era in my life but what it also did to present me with a whole new set of challenges from point in my life right now but that being said I still view my life where I'm at as successful the kind of work That I wanted to do that I felt would ultimately really challenged me as an actor and allow me a lot of my friends as they were making their transitions from being maybe child actors going into adulthood or maybe maybe even just start as adults manning on a few independent films down near working with Swirl Films Eric Thomas Soon is Keith Neal shot up to you guys and other independent films that I did with the the to some degree yeah because I mean that's just what I wanted at that time I wanted something in my life that I felt was real because I'm happy like I don't feel like because I made that personal sacrifice you feel like you chose fatherhood over your career that was like that no matter what no matter what happens with this I'm always GonNa have my boy and and we're always going to have our family and we're going to have our houses and be able to you know lead and I fell in love with that so anyway to get back to your question so it became up until that point like I said this for so I needed to I needed something that was going to ground me as far as where I was at right now it was based on just that you know what I'm saying going event to be seen like you know and and there's nothing wrong with that you know establishing that's where we're going to be and I wanted to connect with something deeper like debt to where I knew it would ultimately help me to stay around because I'd seen him in President at my son's first day school you know I enjoy going to my son's plays in in different things that he did I enjoy present a different side of my talent those opportunities came far in between because I just wasn't in the mix and so there are a lot of things that I'm sure Ormoc an extraordinary opportunity comes across their desk that specifically meant for them and when they step into it this is music because based on all this and I was like yeah man house and to thrust myself back into the into the forefront and become that leading man and at Oscar winner that ultimately feel I'm destined to become good about that and I'm happy about that the nat- successful and if God sees fit whether it be now in a future to present me with opportunities that will allow me no not at aw disappear sightsee like me money is just my life so I was kind of just over and you know I enjoy going public in picking up Pampers and formula and you know I enjoy being Tom we really didn't gel well so our relationship at that time was pretty tumultuous pretty turbulent road so that was difficult as yeah we're young in my in my life is an adult male and I wanted to have someone in my life that I can share and instill wisdom and played a huge part in my life and my growth and development as a young man you all are amazing no but I mean do you know always ready and I've learned in this business at this is a marathon not a sprint and I've seen too many of my peers and colleagues who at one point in time where supposedly lying me Jacob do some stuff at the beach you guys are great brother grains even even you're really talented brother from that is moutain yes I can knows what it is either like the classic strip clubs that everybody went to and where we party day and what unbeknownst to me part of moving down to Atlanta I didn't know that your whole face because Oh let me let me put it this strong connection to your mom and the church and to things like that did it make it harder to run through hose when you're going through your you liked it a move down to Atlanta when I was nineteen twenty coming down there with Disney money worming down there with smart guy money smart guy money you talking about bre I'm in Gentleman's club magic city jazz et's Club Nikki's anybody from Atlanta old Atlanta my existence in my life in Atlanta where I can talk to my neighbors as watering the lawn some shit like and to me as long as inside I know that I feel right so that's happening that's happening that's happening no blueprint right now no that that's happening because I because I believe myself I believe in the talent that guy gave me and I know that if I just continue to stay in shape preparedness meeting opportunity equals success every time for so I'm always prepared I'm all nations ship with somebody that they really don't care about like that they're just looking establish rate relationship to advance their careers I've been experiencing shade and going through that waiting waiting lists too but they didn't feel like being on the list anymore pause Michael Eisner Jeffrey Katzenberg or to fucking high bigwigs Disney advert happen light five six years ago I said Holes Omit Lady's lane ladies describe to me though Jackson Mississippi and shit like that when breaking byles of your hair Shit I've been shipped clubs and Jackie Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah it's one specifically we will go down there on the play Jackson state who was shot out to whoever currently was part of dreamworks and now runs qube Michael Eisner was the president he's of of this amazing so yeah a had a bro you was popping bro I put in work I would I put in some workout here I'm not ashamed to say that shout out to all the ladies that have A in Georgia we have our Sunday dinners and you know his grandmother Nana who's there that's what we're GONNA be regardless of whether the sun is shining or whether it's a fucking downpour the Atlanta Dream Club seeing start to become when jd in them sorry dropping as a song and when the the reservoirs were doing stars you're not is where you started and you get like pull up our remember man and you know respectfully because all these gentlemen Mary now not and I remember on a truck and send it to Atlanta and that thing that thing off the truck I will never forget the the shipper put the thing down on peachtree saviour but but like when we got to these clubs in Atlanta this was not the place that you went after the night was over this it's their tongue in so I don't I don't live my life chasing the dragon so to speak where the you know what I'm saying so because you had such a up to see my cousin tricky you know a lot of our friend. Jd Dallas like we talked about in the nineties where they still giving away multi own head and I can identify with the music no I'm not that guy me and my son will sit up breakdown records with my kid yeah we'll talk about was an incredible air in Atlanta and in black culture in general I'm going to go with old Atlanta and not because I'm hating on the youngsters is not because at the Strip club was like the standard like I didn't know that the strict was just regular nobody knew that the Atlanta introduced that to us I didn't know the food was that good no one knew car you know we got it do you want it so you got Michael Eisner's Agai Michael Adams car aren't even I went to the dealership I looked at it to make sure you look right and I was like man put that bid I heard about this old Atlanta thing yeah who's doing the better the older letter the new Atlanta you know what because I was there during what I feel they got this thing going and shout them or man owed Atlanta was fly as fuck are met you choose I know you love New Orleans a million dollar song deals relishing the money more money music industry let's like cats is pulling up for r-ariz pulling up in nine that they had the Lorenzo bins because I was on preorder for pay the money for it and I think like it was either Michael Eisner Jeffrey Katzenberg was on eleven careers like non non six we out there Ballin I'm the first Nigga on the street with to see okay bins with kid no real talk or I was the first cat you know then everybody else is out with like rise and shit we pulling up to magic pulling up to G C like man old Atlanta new Atlanta's still dope to like you know the new generation back into that there were moves a revolving door revolving door and you know there when when one leaves out or take a hiatus another young kid that can I'm on that waiting list to get this car so I'll never forget they called me downtown La Motors and he was like man we got a you know Michael doesn't want his communist Eiser doesn't want I'm a speak for Baton Rouge I'm not gonNA speak for our like the reservoirs did not a strip club was because you know we will go through clubs and that was ninety one to do so it was like ninety to look at my recall because remember I told us right up to the the told you have to rise we had moved your mood in our draw that day off in bed it was incredible because of that first of all I had carbs look like a fucking spaceship at the time doc excellent I mean it was like you know you had Dallas Austin rowdy studios bringing fuck in Michael Jackson and Madonna Down Kim question so I'm not ignorant you know what I'm saying to what the youth are on but it was just I mean man we were like this really small tight knit community of just that very deeply rooted southern sound in southern influence and then you know you had a everyone else the jazzy phase in so you have all these when everything then you had organized noise shout to organize noise who provided us with outkast and Goodie mob so you had that very other young men not to put anybody with a whole bunch of other you do for thirteen thousand a stroke low drinking get dances you know and it was like club one twelve on treasure Cheshire Bridge road you know Atlanta live Clo- five nine man you name in Daryl Simmons Silent Partner provided checks for the early beginning and foundation of Atlanta and I was there to witness all of that art they talk Shit and you know and have your ego boost it up I'm talking about man I was so bad that's like three different ships right those girls stayed at whole time on your bed I was so off the chain Bro. Who's your there how long I was there from eight pm to eleven am eleven am the next morning we ate brunch? I'm embarrassed to say we have brunch in a gentleman's Club I have bacon eggs and some orange juice rush in a way I'm new money as far as getting cars so I didn't understand it I was fucking with the performance of the vehicle by putting these heavy s rooms on his car so I'm just Kinda ghetto fabulous I'm in Atlanta kind of look similar to that in the background with trees in on it and I'm going ape shit crazy right and it's me and like you know a whole bunch race la La face records was the headquarters for all of that creative energy like l. a. provided checks and Kenny Edmonds it I've been to it you know what I'm saying club twenty grand or national man I used to go to vendors house before became Rick Ross House like were it was a Vanderhall e Russia was how much you spend industry you're okay you're most expensive night I went from this was at the G. CD's was recognized I went from nine pm to the statement I remember the statement that month was crazy because even my mother question me she's like what is this what is what is g c house like early two thousands we forty no I didn't go I didn't go that crazy I probably at the most spin I negotiated residual payout contract with Disney which was somewhat unheard of backed in Disney was used to I'd get something done on a car I was trying to show that side of myself to my mom but not a man I mean it was Atlanta you know late nineties was it okay and they had had a Lorenzo Cain on it so I had to render Rennes so that shit was sitting like real heavy this before I knew like I'm new given payouts and they would be large sums that they would pay out but my mother opted to negotiate with Disney on better terms all of that up whether it's you know from what they're doing digitally or what they're actually Disney plus announcement through like man I probably that night because his before I had a business manager too so it was nobody to tell you nobody and mother couldn't tell me parks to be played in the ice shows you know those are all different ancillary sources of income right those lucrative for you like you've done all the work that I've done yet oh definitely lion king because you'll get paid for monitoring now oh yeah no I mean that's and that's because give back my nickname was Georgia power I was paying utilities I'm paying mortgages on paying rent nowadays see Eli Day go to Georgia power and because of that wise decision of the lion king continues to be the gift that keeps on giving Damn Yeah so you know Welkom brothers money but it's uh-huh you still make a nice hefty lying yeah I mean to be honest with you it it all depends on the level of activity in engagement and you know they tally tally sixteen sixty five I like that the reason why I like that is because that's a night where people can put these ladies can put their kids through school and get yeah but even with that it would be like you know let's say God forbid something happens with a scandal or something and then nobody you know Dago in here so which one of the the stuff that you've done which which one do you eat off the most like which one did you ear at the end of the fiscal year I'll get you know a statement and NAM and and and again I attribute that to my mother being is the lion king anymore I mean fuck me up here but no I mean on a residual basis whether it's like mid in the middle of the fiscal year you go yeah yeah yeah no I mean no I mean seriously man because at thing plays in I mean negotiated deals for this ought to be played in an excellent businesswoman and already kind of knowing ahead of time based on her pass track record and her pass history how to negotiate accordingly wait right let me see his filler join L. here okay thing this year if you are white when you're watching the be able to see this was this was this was it about the right let's see okay I brought ten racks in cash and I have my American Express Gold Card I don't want people to think I'm just rolling out here like you know no I it's not it's not like that but whatever enough to where you wouldn't have to work again yeah if I wanted to they do they not leaving if they get in that bread if you come in and air-dropping that bag those young ladies are going to stay there and they're going to get that much crazy emotional the emotional she bought to be crying number one titanic is not not a good movie as far as the lesson I'll tell you why so you know for anybody out there that's ever had the question because some people have asked me that on social media in other shows before you know my still receiving some kind of residual oh pay out for it and yes I have and thank you Disney for that video was like when you're when you're were there any celebrity relationships that you had you ever okay he passes away Yeah Kate winslet character the older woman yet she fucks up and now you know why people wrote this movie because they take something that's worth that I've generated solely from that right so about the movie whenever they played in the team part whatever they play Disney on ice whenever it's played with she dies the camera pans to the scene earlier in the movie okay where Leonardo di Caprio is standing looking all handsome at the top of the thing Atlanta stroke look during that time my guy was the most embarrassed to say what's the most you ever spent in Atlanta Strip club at that time you got the what what what what kind of as was it as we bring that up on the screen right there to see okay okay man I wish I had a pitcher that thing with that Laredo year it was the ninety eight eh camera goals shoots up and it's like Leonardo DiCaprio that is signifying she is now in the afterlife and she gets to be with Jack Dawson again okay here's the fucking problem I had with that all right right share who was speaking for rose in the movie talking to the people here's a check getting cut now that being said because I don't want anybody to get it twisted and get a distorted you know you you may be negotiating you know cents on the dollar you know what I mean so on a final harder ocean her grand on the reason why that was her granddaughter is because she had a whole life after that dude married him relationship man Bro Guess What is beautiful it had to fail with you so that we could get that beautiful couple yes I'm glad it did so you made the right decision why okay so I'll tell you guys this at the end of Titanic Leonardo DiCaprio's character Jack Dawson passes away right all in back episode about that is like that's literally the worst movie that you could take somebody to see on the first day that'd be three three hours hours law yea she lives her whole life with has kids with has a daughter has has kids who has a granddaughter this she dies that's not the guy she sees so that's Caitlyn wisit right care does rose Dawson Okay Rose Dawson then dies okay okay at the end of the movie she dies I remember is it evidently in that scene where they was making love and they had the thanks where evidently Jabal with somebody and then they remember in the afterlife ahead kids had his kids the whole nine four hundred four hundred million dollars is the harder ocean damn four hundred million dollars and this old white like years ago why are we doing smart slip through your fingers I really did I'll clogged up but she went to the right guy shout out to my guy cory hardware they're beautiful is worth more than sixteen million dollars look up how much the heart of the ocean was supposed to be worse okay as it drops in the ocean I like every time I watch you dumb fuck anyway yes hook up with me talk with me you got the right one IAGO see titanic Damn Bro Four I date yes hi this is none of us out the right right right right so I'm looking around like fuck is going on the fucking dropped it into the mother fucking ocean that's not a happy ending I don't guess not happy at all so look so she is she is ain't happy is here with this guy right the house like I know I know down over there he got twenty seven kids I guess it was going out to to what was the most used thing that you ever spend pivotal moments like in our lives and in our careers where we've gotten together and done something and it's it's it's a certain kind of chemistry since we were like nine ten years old when he was still doing like wild and crazy kids and we've had the kind of relationship it hasn't been where like you know we're it really is easy my relationship with Omar gooding all work Omar's a really good friend of mine me at Omar known each other any other famous ladies out there no you didn't say you didn't do any of that no I will keep it all the way I went to I went to the movies with Tiem our one time are we going to get to adult. JV and say I WANNA question what do you feel like you're most meaningful lasting relationship outside of your family in the industry that you've made throughout your time as me with someone with Industry Yeah Oh man that's easy sixty million dollars and drop in the ocean right whoever wrote this movie has never struggle never struggle right no way I'm letting go down in ocean with each other every day and you know throughout the course of our childhood our lives we would just you know involved with each other day in and day out like that but there but they spend eternity with some three days with our mad as fuck her husband and I showed up to heaven and she kicking him with Jack I'll be like Oh this conversation with him as a man he's GonNa tell me some real shit and it's not going to be no sugar coated Hollywood bullshit conversation or and you know even if conversation away that we do cover all things under the sun that we find to be interesting and giving people a chance to get to know us as the men that we are as follows that we are I'm saying but it was fun now we had a we had a good time but you know that not that didn't work out because I I was wow who as far as people what do you feel like you're ninety eight it was the first one in the country the first theater so weird air what was your question again one call away yes tell me about the record I'll man that opportunity about it all the time no I actually don't all of them like you might have with a how mama was not having Arlene Mari was not having that Shit because I mean it was it was kind of you know even though some real shit too whenever been times where we help each other as far as our careers like when I first got back out here to la started moving around he's I man come over here it for him and his family and yeah so out of everybody that's probably been one of the reporter with Cuba Party with Cuba I still want we have together that works really really well and we have a great deal of respect for one another personally as men We have a lot of the same well I just I honestly believe like they just didn't feel like I had that kind of star power that would warrant that kind of six even in the midst of starting our own podcasts up right now called this ain't Marcus and Mo- Oslo they know what I'm saying so we're just and it's really just us have it we don't what we're doing now the movie you try to get to your we bro I mean man no it was what honestly what Mrs Maree selected for us because she knew our you know what I mean so Omar is one of those guys that you know always had a great deal of respect for Growing up still have a tremendous amount of do family Tom Real quick Show on bounce TV for anybody as familiar with man come to a couple of episodes come pick up the shack real quick a man come over here we doing this doing that like we're your life I I was trying to be respectful right because Buddha call was out around it was but see but see her could have gone to see Buddhist oh about my involvement with it 'cause honestly the record company that was pushing at the time really didn't make an effort to show that I was involved with it I actually don't because what's so crazy about that is that a lot of people didn't know outside of our media community a lot of people didn't I know I know you're GonNa take my daughter to the movies to see titanic in Calabasas right mind you this is pre Cayenne three kimball it definitely we're trying to play me again that has nothing to do to to with chain what happened was in this all came about my Guy Poom Daddy who Zuniga's really good friend of mine yes he's a great guy. Wesley was an associate producer on independent film. I did years ago called a dysfunctional friends and he called Chris Bridges ludicrous poon his best friend at the time in La La and they were on a radio show in Atlanta afternoon radio show and that's what it was called Poon when he was still a radio guy and so when all of this you know kind of newfound success has started coming about for DTP Out the soccer morning now grow seeing Oh yes okay so I had a silver me out of the blue and was like hey man I'm you know associate producer on this movie come through this get paid this make some money together and do something cool you know people like that real nick is like that they do so much work like I'm I'm gonNA come back to that okay well yeah so that's that's what happened I was I been cast for that man I ran into it's kind of a situation where we almost like Kinda put together right because I was on the show work out in a man on the smart guy you're on the front row and ties on the Chris Level of Poon Daddy Show in Los A- I mean in Atlanta on the daddy daddy he was on the old hot ninety seven it was I saw is the I don't want I'm not trying to this nobody know it helped it helped to drive the let's say that hikes like we're heavy in a sports we look at Football Games basketball games in just like Omar's a real Nigga man like I could really sit and daddy increase level level and so I'd had a preexisting relationship with disturbing the peace and with Chris and all those guys prior to Chris even blowing up has confidence as an artist in wanting to like put myself out there thrust myself out there because I just didn't feel like anybody fuck with me or my voice so it was like some internal talent I really believe in your voice as vocalist he just haven't been given the right shot yet the right opportunity because I've been on motown records but hadn't you know a little shallow to shocker it was only natural for those guys like for Puna reach out to me I was out here shooting The lady killers with the Coen brothers Oh come tricky I want you to meet him 'cause I fucking gotten Nelson do WanNa went to the studio matching he and I hit it off like you know topic thing Gosh it's as top of things it's been three fucking days with back in nineteen eighteen but he put it down so Armie Hood listen I think you the shit and to this day poon thank you man like our folks with my guy 'cause that was real he was like man I really believe in variance any success with them because just label politics and not understanding why was the person so I'll keep it all the way real and being completely transparent I kind of lost some other things and I'll be wrap for the day but poon ends up booking the session enterprise studios in Burbank at like two PM during the lunch break so on the daddy his aim is Poon Daddy wait P he's he oh in d. a. d. d. y. Hundi and ponant used to be oh professionally speaking in traditionally when you're on say you're not supposed to leave like whether it's a lunch break or whatever 'cause you get called anytime for whatever perceive fucked up situation at the time if my self esteem so I was a little bit reluctant to jump back into it but he was like just had to do some pickup shots we got like the master and a two shot a couple of things and we broke for lunch and APP coming out of lunch we were supposed to pick up couple inserts and thing it and if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out but at least you gave it a shot so fast forward poon books the session and he books on the day that I'm feeling so even goes where Jason What are you trying to do uh see kind of frantic I like Ma'am our guy you know booked a session at a studio down the street but you know of course I can't leave men and working struggles yeah it was I mean foreign artists of somebody that grew up seeing and because of one kind of fucked up situation due Ching Ching had the song right there so it was like all over Los Angeles he's on fire it was like yeah that is he's come in the studio that's what I've seen it I know he not hurting those parties though lawler Wesley Jonathan. I'm sorry to and I've known Wesley Wesley Jonathan is another so even goes you know what go and do your session we come back from lunch we'll do a single Marlin we'll do some insert so joe I mean Ethan over here's the conversation that I'm having with porn scene of could get a later Tom in a studio you're on you're on set with the COEN brothers Yep and Tom Hanks yes even Cohen told you it was cool to leave and it's all not that anything else was Wacko man so that's that's kind of weird to me that they didn't do that in some kind of way it seems like they were trying to play you a little problem I'm like dude I'm trying to session he's I do just do it and come back just duly so that's and I came back and we'll somebody we'll have somebody read off camera for you do your session man and then come back to work when you're done hop in a cab shoot over to bourbon they'd been turtles being we're not all from this the sheet is hot like when you talk about so the Coen brothers yes he was on with the Coen brothers has only one call away on your lunch records didn't want me on the record they wanted to put either Amari on on the record who was a huge artist at that time Marcus Houston later the hook turns out great poon loves it Chris loves it but keeping Ottaway real capital quick pause yeah just we always want to Mattie there so we wanted to make sure that people understand what's happening yes even Cohen yes yeah and when you get into the real shit you sweat Ming a lot of history to it thank you so now make a long story short so you're saying I am not on digital by I'm really not just she she was in his moment as a great song but the hook of the song is the memorable part of the song if I'm if I'm now thank you appreciate it real Nigga she just talking shooting pool then pulled pulled me over to the side and it was like Yo Jay we got this record caught one call away and it needs a hook and thank sing the hook down maybe like six times after six Tom Poems I come out of the booth we're gonNA comp vocals fast forward three weeks Gravitas to shit I got you don't just 'cause like 'cause y'all do shit like that L. gangs holding my teenage mutant Ninja Turtles Story here when the do told me I worked on the movie and the movie was called my scene for the lady killers so I'll never forget and shot out to Ethan Cohen Bro our shooting Marsin with Marlin and says to even acknowledge kind of like my contribution for everybody to change because I love no no no yeah Puna like a club or something and he was like man what you doin right now oh I know about to go home he was like dude I'm about to go up to Larrabee West in checking artists you've ever heard I did the session and then you know fast forward I gotta be completely transparent I gotta keep it real this is like my right there that the hook of the song of that's changing so Nigga the Saudis remember who because of the singing on the song yeah and that's kind of what drove it autumn I forgot about that one yeah I was sharing with Tom Hanks yeah we're Tom Hanks Martin Wayne the ball away I forgot about got about that shout Robert Vincenzo by the way it's the shirt that I'm wearing them sweat sweating it out but I'll good but anyway so do the session yeah so no no I'm literally at the Craft Service table I'm trying to coordinate with him Ethan's like what's the problem because he sees I'm like frantic so he's like man what's the a comeback heath like how did it go as I went will he was like was it for oh it's this rapper ching that he's like okay artists in their own rights I wasn't tripping on that it was a fact that they were like just trying to Dow play me like I was shit you fill in that made me feel a certain kind of way but yeah so I go and do session thank you get back on my let me take this off seeing it bullshit everybody fucks with it but the label just they want a bigger star on it but here's what's going to happen we're going to do a focus group the labels putting the focus they wanted Houston who signed to capitol records at the time so they were like that I'm sorry the Houston you said Marcus Houston Houston Houston that was the artist now I like that yeah so that's what we're going to go with so I'm like okay that's great so you know I'd signed off Signed a release form and all of that I negotiated view ask them Arianna Marcus in those guys they'll be able to back up this story because it was because it was a thing because I felt like I'll be honest with you I felt together to find out which version is the best because I think everybody had recorded one they mentioned from arcus Houston Mario everybody recorded and and correct me if I'm wrong but it that's cool I go back to work finish the seen the boom calls me and he says there's kind of a problem he's like dude everybody loves the court one of the biggest hits of that year yes okay just remember Nigga when you telling these stories to give their proper they're appropriate fucking Puna comes back and he's like hey they did the focus group the fans before you see the public prefers your version of the song that's what's resonating and then the record comes out and then it begins to get like a ton of immediate airplane call me he was like assault and not because they the label wanted to choose Marcus in Amari on 'cause I respect those guys and I've grown up it great singers to do sessions and then you had jd doing you know Atlanta like base in Atlanta like hip hop culture so so def was they were I don't like primitive bullshit terms because honestly I didn't with no disrespect to Cheney I didn't think the record was GonNa be what it was so I signed off kept him moving my homeboy Ian is a singer okay are you think Jason Weaver sounds amazing on as Jones thank you man we mixed that bitch I had a mix what he was like you are that Nucci Al's like no he was like at a weaver sounds my and a lot of songs on that means that was my go-to mix okay and and that immediately like that's a lot of like I would say that right there it is yes that's a big time Hollywood look right there thanks man I wish people would have went out and saw the fucking movie but the Cohen Brothers are kind of weird like that so we're not not lie because change is the managing contact allowed spent for champion thing change is good do yes the hook like that brother who ended up I think he cut his eye out or something or shut out to us I jog we're on my lunch break and Ethan calling we were at the craft service table got that Maddie oh go in the lunch break now and then lunch break podcast by the way Jason was launched the lunch Houston so do you mark and I get like a piece of paper some light Jason Air on you because I saw you I see you get into the real she is most famous

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NPR News: 08-02-2020 2AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 11 months ago

NPR News: 08-02-2020 2AM ET

"Live from NPR news I'm Nora Raum ISA is now a tropical storm as it heads towards the Florida coast. It blew through the Bahamas as a hurricane Saturday before weakening forecasters say could regain hurricane strength in the coming hours heavy rain flooding, and high winds are expected in much of the East Coast this week in Florida Palm Beach County administrator for Dania Baker says shelters have been set up for people displaced by storm surge. She says the situation is complicated by the coronavirus pandemic please as we continue to traverse through these unprecedented. Waters where your mass mask up. Make sure your practice, the distancing Baker says, the shelters include isolation units for anyone with Cova nineteen symptoms? Congressional Democrats and white. House officials met for three hours Saturday. But couldn't agree on a pandemic relief package they'll try again Monday major league baseball continues to have a rocky start to the twenty twenty season as teams contend with the threat of the corona. Virus Emily files of member station W.. W. M. in Milwaukee reports the three game weekend series between the Milwaukee brewers and Saint Louis Cardinals was postponed after one more player. And three staff with the cardinals tested positive for the corona virus. Saturday to cardinals. Players had already tested positive on Friday also Saturday Milwaukee Brewers outfielder Lorenzo Cain released a statement saying he was opting out of the rest of the season. He said it was the right decision for himself, his wife and their three young children Miami marlins second Baseman Easson Diaz. Also removed himself from the season over the weekend out of health. The marlins season was put on hold after an outbreak infected more than twenty people affiliated with the team. For NPR news I'm emily files in Milwaukee, the activist group, no more deaths as a migrant aid camp. It operates along the US Mexico border in Arizona was raided by border patrol agents. Friday night Elissa. RESNICK reports years, no more deaths volunteers at. Bergkamp. Have provided medical aid to migrants traversing southern Arizona's sprawling desert borderland volunteer. Emily Saunders says border patrol mostly leaves the. Humanitarian. Outpost alone. But Friday evening agents and helicopters and armored vehicle swarmed the property and arrested more than thirty migrants inside. This is consistent with this pattern that we see from border patrol of interfering with life saving humanitarian aid, and unfortunately in the hottest days of summer sanders says agencies, phones and paperwork from volunteers upon entry in a statement, a Border Patrol spokesperson said the agency entered the camp using a federal search warrant for NPR news I'm Lisa resident this is NPR. Iranian officials say their intelligence forces have detained in running. American. The leader of an opposition group based in California he's accused of planning at two thousand, eight bombing in a mosque in that attack fourteen people were killed more than two hundred others were wounded. The suspects group Kingdom Assembly of Iran works out of Los Angeles and says, it wants to restore the monarchy in Iran. At least sixty nine people have died in northern India after drinking tainted liquor SUSHMITA product reports the debts a good in the northern Indian state of job over the past few days police have reportedly arrested at least ten bootleggers and recovered large. Spurious alcohol. During. Raids. Cheap. Liquor or who as it's called, it spread in India even though it is illegal, it's often laced with chemicals to make it stronger and dozens of people in the country die each year of to consuming food. Meanwhile, ten people have died in southern. India. After drinking alcohol based hand sanitizer local police say the victims may have done to hand sanitizer in desperation liquor shops have been closed you virus restrictions. For NPR news I'm sushmita partook in Mumbai to NASA astronauts left the International Space Station Saturday and climbed aboard a SPACEX crew dragon the first step on their way home they spent the last two months on the space station there to splash. Sunday afternoon in the Gulf of Mexico, this will be Nastase I crewed mission from home soil in nine years. I'm Nora Raum NPR news.

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 734  2019 Falloffs in 2020

FanGraphs Fantasy Baseball

58:27 min | 1 year ago

The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 734 2019 Falloffs in 2020

"<music> hello and welcome to episode seven thirty eighty four sleeper and the bus. It is wednesday september fourth. I'm your host pulse four and a fine solo to name on this episode. I'm going to be discussing some twenty nine thousand nine falloffs and their outlook for twenty twenty a lot of the stuff that we've discussed. Thus far with regards to two thousand twenty has been related more to the positive end. You know the first three three rounds of the draft. That's going to be a lot of high end guys that we're talking about the top thirty starters for next year. That's obviously going to also be focused on the positive and more often than not but i think it's time to get into some of the some of the guys that didn't necessarily come through i this year and where we're at with them going forward forward analyze some of the stuff that's going on with their season. Can they rebound. Is this kind of the beginning of the end or even if it's not the beginning of the end. Is it a new level that that needs to be considered when they're when they're being drafted and so we pushed them down but let's start so what i've done is i took a list of guys from eighteen to nineteen and looked at the negatives on w._r._c. Pause who has the biggest negatives their minimum two hundred and fifty point appearances although i did include some guys that fell just under now i'm not just doing a straight rundown of that list while four of these seven then guys. I wanted to talk about our four of the top five. I did kind of pick and choose some guys. I specifically wanted to highlight here. So if you ran ran this same query you would find that robinson cano was fourth at minus fifty one points and i'm not i'm not going to cover him right now. He has pretty much missed a essentially a half season. We're not quite but you know he's missed a bunch of time. He's older. I oh i think price is going to go down anyway so i'm not sure there's anything to really analyze their to say oh. Is this somebody that we should stay invested in. I don't think you're going to need to pay any sort of toll on him. Jose ramirez. We've kind of talked to death. I think he'll still get discussed quite a bit in the off season so he's not included. He's actually sixth on the list guys like hey susan curtis granderson of you curtis. I'm not sure that they merit a lot of our time right now. Either jose peraza michael franco alex smith brunette oh door these are a bunch of guys now. We're not getting into them. Were focused on again four of the top five but then some selected ones some hand selected ones by yours truly. Let's start with one who has actually the biggest dip but that's what happens when you said an m._v._p. He level that <hes> you can come down quite a bit fifty seven points and still be a monster and that is of course mookie betts who is is down as i mentioned fifty seven points in w._r._c. plus down to a one twenty eight level and yet i'm not really worried about him and and <hes> you know this looks a lot. Now i will say this. This is two out of three years that are underwhelming let's call it. Let's let's not sugar coat and then just pretend that that he's delivered but this is exactly exactly what we talk about when when we're talking about drafting in the first round or two for floor as well because we rarely draft the top fifteen gene guys by season's end in the first round. It's just not how it goes where drafting guys who we think they have a great chance to be in the top fifteen and if they're not it's going to be in a scenario. This is going to be where they're you know within the top fifty or even top seventy five and that's that's good enough because they're range range. Barring injury will not vacillate so much that they're that they're going to kill you and bets is is peak that guy he's eighteenth on the <hes> the player raider over at at rasbol. I mean i'm i'm reluctant to even call him a disappointment. I understand that you you know you drafted him. I think he had some number ones yeah he was. He was one two or three he never went lower than three and he regularly went number one and so i understand you had expectations coming off of an m._v._p. For mookie betts that you were hoping for another thirty thirty with with an over three hundred average and and gobs of runs and solid r._b._i.'s near the top rb is had to be r._b._i. Expectation had to be checked for for beds but even if you just put up another eighty like last year which actually he should and the runs should actually be fine again too and that's why he is still so high on the player. He's hitting a very useful full to eighty five. He already has one hundred twenty three runs which actually this is an interesting data compare because he has as many games played this today one thirty six on on wednesday the fourth as he did last year thirty more plate appearances which is a difference but not so over the top differences prince that you have to you know that the comparison can still be done so he's just six runs shy of last year's total of one twenty nine and he's obviously going to eclipse that but he's gonna play a lot more games tmz by season's end. He's nine homers shy so he could still get there obviously but it would take the rate would be different but we care about volume here so if mookie betts does surgeon in september and hit another of you know eight to twelve homers to wind up either one shy or above last year's thirty two then we'd take that from beds. He's only ten rabies short. He's definitely gonna clips that barring something absolutely insane. There's there's no chance that he's going to reach last year's thirty stolen bases yes fourteen but i don't think it's hurting him as much or even the fantasy teams that have have him because you don't need as many steals to compete just the way they've been distributed his. Let's call it nineteen eighteen. Let's say he gets five this michael. That's pretty lofty. Let let's call it three. Let's just say he ends up with seventeen for bets and twenty eight homer so twenty eight seventeen one thirty five and eighty five something like that and the batting average. I don't know willie willie. Hold the two thousand five or go up. We go down not. Nothing's going to change that much barring something insane so we'll say that he's pretty much going to be around the two hundred five mark for beds. That's still going to be a brilliant season. It's not quite twenty seventeen where he had the twenty four homers twenty six steals one hundred one runs one hundred hundred to rabies but at two sixty four average and some people are kind of pushing him down and i think he was he was going as late as double digits in the in the first round which when you're dropping from you no top three down to between eight and thirteen that is that is a severe discount even though it seems it seems like okay this is not that big of a difference is going in the first show but all of those all those pick slots in the first round are incrementally more important than if you drop from even like think the third round to the fifth round like that's almost not as severe as going from three to twelve in within the first round pick value chart for for the for the n._f._l. If you guys are familiar with that <hes> there is a numerical value on every draft pick and the the distribution of that. It's very interesting if you see it with the way the first round pick czar costume and then how different say like a you know late second is is to an early fourth. It's just not as severe but anyway. I'm not going anywhere on pets. He's awesome. I've probably spent too much time because i'm not even worried about him. Still a first rounder under don't make the same mistake in twenty eight as we did in two thousand eighteen i would take him. I would take him as high as five really really. I'm not i'm not that worried. I'm trying to pull up our draft to see what we were. We took him. I might actually be exposing myself here. I'm saying i'm saying thing i would take him that hiring. <hes> i wanna see where he went in. How many times i passed him in our draft here mookie betts seventh and i did pass him twice but i passed asked him the second time for a lynn door which i i don't you know that's. I think that's viable. <hes> i think those two are going to be very close so sometimes times. I'm gonna take linda for sometimes. I'm gonna take bets bottom line awesome. Sorry spent so much time. I didn't need to find that many different ways to tell you that he's still great chris. Davis is our next guy and he's dropped fifty six points down to a seventy nine w._r._c. plus plus now that's just our jump off point of course <hes> but then we dive in everything for however with regards davis the w._r._c. plus is more important horton as a as a single metric because so much of his value is tied into power which will be reflected in the w._r._c. Pause some of these other guys like bets and a couple of coming up they they have speed components that won't necessarily be captured in that so the raw drop in w._r._c. Plus won't be as important but with davis. It's massive so let's get in on some of the stuff that has happened to davis his barrel rates down seven points seven percentage points his exit dealers down tuned and a half miles per hour. Excuse me the launch. Angle dip is small and a lot less concerning. I don't even want to give too much weight to that because it's not it's not significant statistically significant enough to be like oh. That's what's happening. The chris davis his strikeout-to-walk rate remain rates rates remain fine what i'm wondering at this point with davis when you look at the way everything's broken down is even as even nursing nursing an injury throughout the bulk of the year. I know he's gone on the i. L. actually only pull up his whole injury history this year because don't mind if your first time listening to a solo cast is going to be drink breaks and there's gonna be a lot of typing in mouse. Clicking pounds is if that bothers you but that's kind of the deal with the solo obviously when i have have a co host or guest while they're talking. I can be doing this stuff and it's it's a lot more smooth so i apologize if that bothers you but anyway we have the hip issue that cropped up early in the season bruce left hip bruise left hip on may seventh it eventually required an alston in late may and then on the twenty ninth left hand injury that caused him a few days so it's hard not to wonder if the hip has been a major issue for chris davis throughout the year major enough to put him on the i l. but then still linger or even as he's been back. I want to look at something here. Look at things before the hip hit well. He wasn't really doing that that well even before the him that said actually i'm going to retract that a little bit. He wasn't doing that well in his in his slash line to twenty nine three four or eighty one but that forty one really sticks out because he did have ten homers in those first thirty five games for chris davis and i was pacing for forty seven so his raw power our patients were suggesting that he was still going to have a similar season and to twenty nine through thirty five games. You're not that far off what you need to get it. His fabled to forty seven so i will say actually he he was more or less in line with what we expect from chris davis until that first instance of the hip since is then including the game split around it obviously miss time for the i l. since then he's at two twenty two eight three forty one bats the devastation is that the power is gone nine homers pacing to nineteen and a full season and chris davis absolutely lost lost his power and you'd have a hard time convincing me that this hip is not a major major major reason why now will require something in the off season to get healed you know if we get news on something like that and he gets the necessary procedure or if it's a rest and relaxation thing and just taking to three months off before doing anything <hes> i is all he needs okay then i could see myself looking at at chris davis as somebody to jump back in on next year absent that i will have have some trepidation on the thirty two year old. I don't know i don't know and obviously this is one of those picks for chris davis where it could start off really low. You know <hes> just too early. Mocks have already started. We're going to be in a arizona fall league next month doing drafts and i think chris david price is going to be low and it could really escalate up as we if we learn something about that offseason situation than i suggested with the hip and or he comes into spring and looks like chris davis he's he's hitting seven spring homers and just looks like the spry power self that were used to not taking some of these half acts and it is this is anecdotal was hell. I watch you know decent number of oakland games. I usually the shift over to a west coast game after watching some of the used to be when the tigers the worst team in the universe watch the tigers then bounce around the west coast games. I'm like guys. I'm not watching every tigers game these days. I probably watch about two a week. Check the box score everyday. I try to read up on news. I love of my team but come on as also somebody that you know does baseball stuff for a living. I need to be a abreast of the situations is going on across the league investing my time in my beloved tigers i do not think is the best use of my time so yeah. I'm justifying here and but i'm not giving up on my team. I'm i have have given up on them this year. Let's be honest but i'm not like. I'm not going to sit here and lie to you guys on such a die-hard dude that i've watched all ninety six losses now. It's just not it happening so anyway. I don't even know why i got into that detail the story but the bottom line is i do watch a lot of oakland games. They have a lot of interesting players and a lot of them are across different fantasy teams including davis on a kabul and anecdotally. I see some of these. Just powerless fooled old bad swings and you're just like damn. He's just not himself so if we learn something that that suggests that the health gets back on track jack. I'll buy back in but i will say. I need some sort of discount. He went fiftieth this year on average. I probably they won't take him earlier than call it one ten right now. I mean look at the hitters who are going around one ten last year this main event average f position for the n._f._c. See i know it's not applicable to every league everywhere. It's a good baseline though so around this time a this year coming into this season guys who are going around that one ten mark are his teammate. Matt chapman happened <hes> eloy jimenez josh donaldson and those guys okay so you look at it. Okay chapman chapman was on the rise jimenez blank slate. We were buying in on the on the rookie and josh donaldson was actually coming off down season himself not quite as similar to <hes> do chris davis because donaldson missed a bunch of time and so i think that protected him from too big of a fall off because in the fifty two games that he played he it was still pretty good and he finished with a flurry with cleveland those sixteen games his skills were actually really sharp even though it was only sixteen games so i think there was some love escalating dodson's price a little bit he was going as low as one forties for awhile and then you started to really jump up so that boosted his a._d._p. But again that's exactly what can happen with josh john or with chris davis excuse me he could maybe go in the one twenty to one forty range for a while and then in sort of work himself up as he shows that he's healthy. I think one ten is the earliest that i would take him and i don't necessarily think i'm even going to i do that. I wanna see what these two early moscow and then see what's going on in arizona. I wanna know the guys that are going around there. I so i'm probably out on dates. If that's where prices if it starts to linger closer to one fifty you back because that'd be too much of a discount for chris. I davis all right. Let's move over to matt carpenter. Dammit justin and i were just a year early. We've we've repeatedly brought up in roasted ourselves for for for the situation with matt carpenter about how when he was really down last year we we were telling me bolt. Nope get out. You don't want this and he went on to be you know the salsa man had that just amazing second half and and you know made me look foolish. That's okay <hes> this year has been awful though and i'm not like half by the i don't wanna make it sound like i'm. I'm happy about that. I don't i don't root for guys to go poorly even if i was down on them and that's stupid that's foolish. I was hoping that he you would continue to be styled. It was awesome to see what he did. Last year. I've actually always liked carpenter but i was just trying to read the information that we have with the back injury with poor performance. Let me let me jump out of this sink. Let me let me jump out of this ship while it's sinking and no he surged but then he sunk this year and it's been been rough said to fifteen with twelve homers thirty six ribs fifty two runs weird six steals by the way but he's minus fifty three points on his w._r._c. plus to an eighty five the barrel rate's cut in half to seven percent the exit down three miles per hour thirteen point dip in hard hit rate eight according to baseball savant back and foot injuries. He has to come down. He's going to be thirty four next year. Latte last year season was an outlier regardless of how you felt about him. You know the thirty six homers were easily career-high. The batting average nothing really outlandish about that. It was the power that was a an outlier for david or excuse me for carpenter and he has not taken advantage of the ball again to put up another big season. It's going to be thirty four. I'm gonna keep peeling back here. It's going to be priced dependent if he comes in at a fair price which i'm thinking last year carpenter opener when about ninety fifth on average i need. I need a fifty spot dip yeah. I need like fifty spot dip. I need somewhere in the one forty two one sixty range to give you an idea of some folks that went in that range last year yeoman cada obviously <hes> he was gonna come up so he had the green arrow. Some people were interested in him. In fact i think is as if i buy the i'm looking from march first on so just the month of march with main events and he was eventually going higher there. <hes> ian desmond mend went one fifty gross david peralta coming off of his massive season miguel cabrera max ax months he was coming off the big breakout and people aren't necessarily believing in him whoops. I was not one of those stats actually when i got right <hes> let's see edwin. Encarnacion was one fifty five. Let me see if edwin can go that low off of the season that he had in eighteen to forty six three thirty six four seventy four thirty two homers one hundred seven ribs seventy four runs then carp can't go earlier than one one fifty for me no way no way so i need. I need a sixty pick drop minimum before i'm even looking at him and if folks folks want to go higher be my guest. Let me look at third base. Comps here actually let me make sure to check carbs <hes> eligibility here. Take a drink while doing their part me so. It's just going to be third base so let's look at the the third base player rainer here and we'll get some folks who are around carpenter. Carpenter is five billion at third base now. He's forty eighth holy hell. He's forty eight at third base alone. Lewis arises ahead and mike how franco tim beckham david bodey miguel rojo's pablo sandoval holy shit. That's that's what to fifteen. Average will dutia now. I'm not saying he has to be the forty eighth third baseman off the board. I'm not going all the way there there but let me just let me just go on the names. I'm going to start from the bottom up because i'm not even going to waste your time telling you that i'll take denver's donor aren't like the let's get the dud names out of the way but here's some of the names i think i'm open to taking over carpenter than are currently ahead of him on the player raider yon d._d._s. chaves probably michael chavis austin riley. Maybe a healthy tommy la stella evan longoria and <hes> <hes> evan longoria cow seger feel like they're his peers and they're gonna go cheaper so i feel like i would take those to not necessarily ahead of them because i don't have to but i'd rather just wait on those two then take carpenter if he's going to be more expensive j._d. Davis this miguel said no scott kingery ryan mcmahon. His third base eligible folks at least this year. I am not doing the due diligence to make sure that their third base eligible next year so pardon me if i'm wrong on some of those bottom line is though i'm still taking them ahead of him. Even if it's not a third base that third base com hunter dosier gio or shelhah moncada mcneil move stock is now. I'm getting into guys that are obviously machado turner chapman so if the if the deep top let's call it twenty twenty one really cause dosier twenty-one those those are all definitely going ahead of him and just to run off the names real quick denver's window not pregnant lemay escobar baya's yuli gurriel a u._n._h._c._r.'s muncie donaldson jose ramirez kris bryant matt chapman justin turner manny machado mike stock as jet media mocatta gio or show hunter dosier those are all locked in ahead of him for me right now for a head of matt carpenter ryan mcmahon put him there. It's got kingery dunn's. Oh miguel said no. I'm marie bennigsen. Oh guy but yes j._d. Davis brian anderson. I think i think brian anderson think i'd take brian anderson over that carpenter right now. Hang on let me look up ryan anderson. Maybe we now did i just i hate that marlins team especially for offense so maybe not but maybe maybe i should or he's like some of those other guys. I was just talking about where where he's not brian anderson even going to go ahead a carpenter so why would i. Why would i take carpenter. I'll just pass him and take brian anderson later. That's the thing that could definitely happen. I didn't even name vlad junior by the way who i glossed over on accident definitely taken him. I mean not even a competition asian. I'm not gonna have matt carpenter shares next year. I think i'm lowering even more. He's got to be one sixty or later. Gimme seventy pick discount or get to step in tough year. He's old and <hes> <hes> you know even at his best. He's always been for matt carpenter. He's always been an o._b. P type of guy never really had a good batting average. He has twenty one twenty three thirty six homers the three years before this only twelve this year never has more than eighty four rabies his <hes> thrice has eclipsed one hundred runs but only once in the last excuse me once in the last four seasons including including this year and that was twenty eighteen so no amount on car. Thank you should be too new. There is a price scher. You know we get something silly. Let's <hes> let's look at the two hundred range player coming into this year. Damn dude now. This is a difficult comparison because i'm trying to get my mind frame in march without being unduly influenced -fluenced on what these guys have done this year but you look at somebody like yuli gurriel who went two hundred range last year he went to au to on average coming alphabet thirteen eighty five to ninety one season with seventy runs scored and five chip in steals three the year before so you could expect a handful of chickens. You've got four this year. I would rather take this year's iteration of that over carpenter. Let's do this. Let's let's give carpenter the benefit fit here. Let's let these two seasons together last year and this year and give that average as a baseline. I the average as is with the games so it's <hes> it's just one hundred thirty two games. It'd be twenty four homers. Fifty eight ribs. Eighty two runs in a two forty one average. Let me see that cops to this year and i'll do all players. I won't just do <hes> third baseman spin sorry i didn't. I didn't plan for this part so i am doing this on the fly here but maybe i'm just beating eating a dead horse and you guys are already like i was never gonna take and move on but i'm going to do a completion est is edward no am i even a completion est no so i don't even know what the hell dhamma dhamma so. That's essentially what i say. Twenty four fifty eight eighty two runs five five steals and a to forty one average. That's more or less this year's paul d. young to forty four average twenty four homers eighty six ribs or scape. Excuse me age six runs sixty seven ribs six steals so that's our take appalled a young ahead of him and you know that it's all the other name i was gonna say from last year that were around the two hundred range that this year's iteration i. I don't think i would take nick carpenter over max kepler. I did love him i. I'm not unduly influenced by his big breakout. I i was tabbing him for a breakthrough corp rape along go win round pick. Two hundred and excel was two. Oh one jesse winker was two. Oh one i liked him. As well. You agree alto to pita lonzo two. Oh five can tell martin to thirteen hell randall grischuk and encounter schwab kinda know what we're getting boring as hell they were to thirteen to fourteen fourteen respectively and i think carpenter you know should be in that that that's the range so i was way early saying the one fifty stuff no way i think carpenter has to go one nine year later before i even look at him can't do it can't do it. I mean you look at some of these names. By the way what a rich rich part of the draft i mentioned catala martine to twelve <hes> semi and two to sixteen friend mill raise to twenty two renfro to twenty four love that they it went right by each other the same player shohei otani to twenty six josh bell two-thirty to ryan mcmahon to thirty five trey mancini to forty four jeff mcneil to forty six damn dude yeah. I wanna see where carpenter goes in. These two early mocks dude because i am just i'm not in on it all right. Have i made that point abundantly clear again. You guys would probably like seven minutes. I'm going okay. We know we got it yeah. We're not gonna take him either and i'm like you know what don't even take okay. We agree with you but you know what here's another reason as in not to take him sorry i had to drive the point home. Though honestly i was educating myself though 'cause i originally said that that one fifty stuff and maybe you guys were like what the hell when i said that so i'm i'm glad i did the due diligence there. Let's move over to lorenzo cain who has a minus forty eight point dip on his w._r._c. v._r. C. plus to just a seventy six now. This is one of those guys who it. That's not the best measure to really get his fantasy value because he has a speed component but let's talk about got it. He hadn't been below three forty bab for five years. This year is to ninety two easily a career worst. No surprise has batting average has dipped two fifty a six year low. He did have a two fifty one all the way back in two thousand thirteen that was an injury plagued season in which his previously low babbitt a bit of three. Oh nine was <hes> was what he reached so if you kind of look and everything else it's not all the bad. There's a little few more strikeouts. Few fewer walks but nothing crazy. It's really the bab but he lost over half foot off of his sprint. It's been that sounds small but the percentile that he's been in has gone from ninety four th percentile ninety fifth eighty nine eighty six to seventy four. That's it's a big dip this year and he's fourteen steals and fifty eight batting average points for lorenzo cain so some big dips their hand thumb oblique and knee issues. He went sixty six last year. He's not going anywhere near that can be thirty four as well. We know from studies speed doesn't aged terribly well. Particularly a guy who plays brilliant defense that does include you know going all out in putting himself in harm's way more often than not we love it for the love it for the defensive peace and for the highlight reels is that that it has but it definitely has a negative impact on <hes> on his health so it's tough for kane now. He's still going to you know when you're sorting by your stolen base projections going into your board next year. You're still going to see him. Probably with something like twenty. He needs four more this year to get to twenty and that's still gonna be appealing but at what caused forty one ribs never been good r._b._i. Guy but forty one thirty eight the year before even last year damn good season thirty eight forty nine fifty six. He only has sixty four runs this year too because he's a three nineteen o b p wolf. He's gotta go way down. He's gotta again. He went sixty six on average last year. I think i got to get him outside. The top one hundred entered to bring lorenzo cain back on the club right right. Let's see where kane rates on the player raider at large and then we'll do we'll do outfield to sixty two at large and then outfield sixty ninth nice not that nice though let's see where the sixty nine th outfielder was was last year about that just just just for comparison sake it was cedric. Mullins len's going round pick to fifty now. We're not just going to take last this year's numbers and then that's lorenzo cain now. We're gonna have some you know some factoring in of his previous success and i think that that's gonna help so let's let's let's let's give him that favorability which we did with carp and put his last two seasons together and see where that that's what that delivers so just the average again for missed time would be one hundred and thirty the three games nine homers forty forty ribs twenty three steals seventy seven runs into two eighty average if you do the one sixty two average it's eleven homers forty nine ribs ribs twenty nine steals ninety four runs to eighty average. Obviously that doesn't change but i'm not as inclined to give him that as maybe some other guys because he doesn't play that kind of workload so i am more inclined to use the one thirty three average of nine homers forty rabies twenty-three steals is to eighty average seventy seven hundred now. Let's do the same thing we did with carpe. Let's see what that compares to this year and i'm gonna sort by steals to try to find the more easily than sorting by. I homer so twenty three steals. Let's see like a handful of homers so that that would be about <hes> that'd be about this. Year's colton wong who has ten homers fifty two runs fifty five arabia's nineteen steals in a two who eighty-five average in one hundred thirty three games by the way so that's actually kinda perfect. I didn't even see that so that's actually kind of perfect so whereas colton wandering for twenty twenty we don't know yet but i think it's going to be a hell of a lot lower than sixty sixth overall. I think you're you're having a look at <hes> lorenzo cain and as a one fifty year later kind of guy you you know outfielders in the one fifty range this year ian desmond billy hamilton david peralta aaron hicks. No mamas are aaron hicks. It's not a perfect direct comp to kane but it's a power speed guy will <hes> canes out of power guy but it it's not a it's not a good cop at all except for the fact that they're both strong fielders who missed a lot of time but i i will say this hicks was coming off of an awesome season last year. Twenty seven homers eleven steals only forty eight average but seventy-nine rabies and ninety runs and still went that late because we know about his health and in all the concerns there and that's where he went so how high can you really push up kane. I loved ramon laureano. He had a nice glimmer last year that i was really thinking he could parlay into something great and frankly human going to if not for the health and emmy still going to end up with a good season but even off of that nice little 48-game sample and some offseason and hype he only went one eighty-seven on average moriano did so cain again. I think i'm i'm looking at the situation here and i don't know how i can even consider him before one fifty and even then then i think i'd have to be speed-hungry speed desperate even. I don't think i'm going to have kane y'all. Can you go two hundred or later is that is that reasonable. I mean it certainly reason like that's. It's reasonable in that. We would want that but are people going to be smart enough to keep to keep kane down there again. Thirty four plagued by health throughout his career is a late starter so he's not the same mm-hmm is a normal thirty four year old in terms of regressing his skills but even still that i think the health i think the health kind of counters in a little fit to where you know you someone who came up at at at twenty two and has been doing it since then and now thirty four. You're like wow. That's a lot of mileage. Cain late start in baseball didn't really come up and start playing <hes> a lot until he was in his mid twenties but he's been through a lot of health both speed ages poorly it all adds up pretty negatively here and i wanna i'm trying temper freaking out over these performances with carp and kane and say all you say oh take him three hundred later or don't even take him now but do they need to have significant drops especially because so many people have jumped up this year and while everything isn't linear to say well all they had this bad season. They're going to continue to go down these two in specific <hes> in particular excuse me kane and matt carpenter have a lot of factors actors that that don't add up for them to really bounce back age being the major one but health as well so i think if cain is regularly really going north of one fifty. He's not going to be anywhere near any might teams. If he starts to creep over to the two hundred range i get back in on that kind of discount. I really really really keyed in on on the prices that he's going to go now. In these two early mocks canine carp specifically. I really want to see and these are going to be two guys. I've talked about this on the show about in a mock draft. When you're really eager to see where somebody goes you. Don't take them to to let the market. You don't want to unduly influenced market so you wanna wanna see where where the market themselves of feels about him so i think yeah that's where i'm at with kane. Sorry i'm setting quick message here. You guys are catching me while i'm responding to emails to. I know very unprofessional. I know i know because listened to the kristalina podcast. You know that he would say that. This is professional. He tries to justify reading his messages in in doing stuff on the show as this is how i would behave in real life so i'm going to give you the same me on the podcast but anyway sorry about that. I had to send that off real quick anyway. That's on cain. We got a we got to move away all right three more. You know let's go over to paul goldschmidt. This one's a little bit <hes> a little bit quicker a little bit more direct minus forty points to a one. Oh five w._r._c. plus was i think things really i think things really are kind of straightforward. Here averages really the only difference. It's a <hes> thirty five point dip. The bab drop is down to a career worst to ninety six and and <hes> you know. I don't think that there's anything that we look at that suggests that that goldschmidt needs to be tumbling the way some of these other the guys are let me see something real quick here. I thought he was going to go to <hes> saint louis. Just dominate like just <music> -absolutely go off and that has not been the case. He hasn't been bad. You know twenty nine seventy four with eighty three runs in a two thousand five hundred. It's really that batting average and it's it's bab driven now when you look at the bab and i've preached this millions of times if you've listened to any pods you know that i say you know don't just use it as a lucca meter and and say okay well this. He's been on walkie automatically. That's not not not how it goes. Sometimes it's their own shortcomings that <hes> that deliver the the dips here so let me look at the profile a little bit closer here took the extensive notes but i'm missing a few key components here that i wanna see on goldschmidt yeah okay. This is why didn't take notes because the the components of barrel percentage exit v low launch angle hard hit rate none of it's down enough to really to really say that. It isn't some bad luck with the bab. I really do think that in this particular instance similar as it was to mookie mookie betts a couple years ago. It's it's kind of a it's kind of like you know. Few things just haven't haven't broken as well forum and <hes> you know i think i think i think he's gonna bounce back nicely i really do and so he went nineteen on average this past year. I'm not gonna let them fall much. More than fifteen to twenty picks later than that. I mean let me paul justin's <hes> twitter row quickies got the links to the too early mocks. I wonder if any of them are deep enough to sit. See where where goldies gone. Let me check this. I know the first one was getting pretty deep. It's in the third round. I don't know it's this one nope that one just started an idiot mock four okay mock four hang hang on one two three four five six eight ten twelve okay. They are fifteen years so moc fours in the fourth round and goldschmidt has not gone. It's in the middle of the fourth round so i was saying i wouldn't let him drop more more than a round round and a half while he's going. He's going later than that early on. I think i'm going to buy back on goldie i don't. I just don't think we have enough here to to see why you know to to see a big tumble in his cost. I don't think this is just like who he is now. In that is bab. I bet can't return. I mean listen to these bab totals for goldie throughout his career three twenty three forty three forty three three sixty eight three two three fifty eight three forty three three fifty nine to ninety-six dude rips the ball and even this year you look and it's the ground the ground ball fly ball line drive is not different enough. The <hes> soft medium hard doesn't expect you're really looking at it and it's hard not to say that this is <hes> that this is bad luck. Babbitt related hit one eighty eighty one in june y'all what if he just hits to sixty that month. Let me let me do that. Math real quick quick's in ninety four app adds. That'd be twenty four seven. It's always seven more hits. Let me just add seven hits to what he's done this year. He'd be at two sixty nice. He'd go fourteen points up just from that and things would look so much. It's different. It's to sixty nine would still be a lower batting average for goldie. Who's been to ninety plus guy <hes> virtually throughout his entire career <hes> going up from eighteen eighteen to twenty eleven. It's two ninety to ninety seven to ninety seven three twenty one three hundred zero to two eighty six and then to fifty in his first forty eight game debut so it would still be lower and i just put a random to sixty just because i didn't want to go. I didn't want to go so high to like say well. What if you had three eight hundred that month even though that's pretty much hits every month but just to get off the one eighty one and say okay what if he hit on if he hit a very reasonable aw to sixty bottom line. I'm not worried about goldie and i think there's going to be a discount to dive in on here if he's already. Let's let's see that's forty five pretty six or seven forty nine fifty fifty one fifty two fifty four fifty four picks into this draft and this is just one mark that he hasn't hasn't gone yet. Yeah i think people are gonna be pushing him deeper and if he's a fifth hell sixth-round guy. I'm having goldschmidt shares every and you know one of the things that you can't quantify but you know you damn. Well know that it helps and it wins titles. Is that first name. That's a bad ass first name paul. It doesn't get better. You're so you know that that factor still there and that's not going anywhere unless he changes his name which i doubt he will so paul goldschmidt. It's got the first named factor unlock skills that are still strong a batting average dip that isn't really backed up in anything but a bab dip by bye bye bye. Wait in a good way though not the not the n._c._a._a. All right next to the one up victory robust minus thirty nine points to a ninety two you again <hes> w._r._c. pluses definitely not the best number for him. <hes> in fact it might be one of the worst because yes we care about his offense and that's part of the reason zanetti is so alluring but the these speed component is exactly why you're so interested in somebody like victory was and he was drafted on spec this year right. We were all expecting a big breakout season and it hasn't quite come to fruition but i think you're going to be surprised just to learn where he rates with everything so he was let me just let me just do these. Numbers real quick so he was the twenty third outfielder off the board last year round pick seventy five and he's been the twenty six th outfielder on the player raider and eightieth eightieth pick overall. He's he's panned out. He really hasn't yet. This feels like a disappointment to fifty one averaged sixteen homers twenty four steals heels fifty six ribs seventy six runs. Its that average. I think that really makes people think it's going to be a disappointment. No not really at all <hes> if there's any discount i'm in and yet at the same time i say that i'm even willing to pay the same price or even a little bit higher bottom autumn line. I'm in on victory and i will not belabor this with ten more minutes of y._m. In i think i made it clear. He really hasn't even been a disappointment. If you're leagues want to give have you want to react to the fact that he didn't steal forty <hes> and hit two fifty one okay more shares for me signed me up victor oba's love it are and then the last one we're going to talk about here is manny machado. He's dropped thirty two points to a one oh nine. He has a five. I percents <hes> you know five point strikeout jump <hes> three point barrel rate dip seventeen point babb drip ah drop and all of that together does kind of explain the <hes> the the thirty three point batting average drop. You know you strike strikeout more you barrel it up. Less babb goes down these factors add up and and you're just gonna have fewer base hits and that's pretty much what we're seeing here so homerun pace is essentially the same if you wanna take his seven hundred nine point appearances of last year in pace out what he's done with the twenty eight in five hundred seventy five this year and give him another seven. Oh five seven oh nine. You'd wind kind of with thirty five homers which is again too shy of last year's thirty seven. The steelers are down from fourteen five this year but that's something that ever since machado went from from two to twenty two zero. I hope you stopped having any expectation for him on steals it. You just not going to now now. It is like he is the perfect crystallization of how much they are a desire thing. Pardon me even with guys who aren't super fast if you want to steal if you're given the opportunity to steal you can machado how can does it when he feels his numbers over the years. <hes> are six two which was half season so we can. We'll be generous and just double. We'll call it four because i was only played eighty two games. We'll just call it for just for fun twenty zero nine fourteen and then five of this year just put him down for six or seven and and even put that in pencil or dry race but that's not what you're getting him for your you're going for the raw power and hopefully a decent batting average now is batting averages vacillated a bit too but last year excuse me seventeen. It was at two fifty nine than last year it spike two to ninety seven back down to sixty four and it really has been bab dependent for him again. I'll reiterate the point from earlier. I don't use babbitt basil lucca meter that doesn't mean that nobody experiences good and bad luck with their bab- it's just not a perfect perfect thing. Sometimes a guy earns a low <hes> alot babbitt other times. They earn a very high one so that's that's. That's always clear in this instance. There's been some among <hes> there's been some bad situation and machado's earned it striking out more barely hit up. Less can't write that off to lock. That's some skill degradation shen but is it going to stick can be twenty seven next year. Do the work horse to one sixty to one fifty seven one fifty fifty six one sixty two and one thirty four so far. This year in san diego has <hes>. Let's see here. They have twenty four games left so if he plays all of those how many data by a one thirty four so far by one fifty eight so i mean he's pacing hazing for another big volume season for machado total beast <hes> boring though he's become boring he still still do eligible at third and short love that he went twenty six last year almost certainly going to fall it see where he's gone in this way. Okay now manages comically misspelled his name. I don't even want to tell you guys how shitty it was but he went forty fourth in the the the deepest too early mocks so far for justin's mock drafts. Yes i'm paying that a gentleman named joe drake jose ramirez whereas bryce harper manny machado and noah syndergaard picking from the fourteen spot holy hell do i love that t- machado is going to go cheaper and i'm going to be there to snap him up as well because he's pretty much the same guy now i will say. I thought i didn't loves price this year and it wasn't one of these things where i i'm going to sit here and say i saw i saw this coming. I saw exactly what's happened coming i just i found him boring as well. I found them kinda boring coming into this year so there were other guys. I was interested in chief. Among them was the fact that i i was in on ren dawn. An junior at at third base and shortstop was super deep so both positions that machado qualifies that i just wasn't that interested in buying and so i was passing on him more due to the pool around him then anything that machado was doing but not just like he's kinda boring but if he drops to a significant discount which i think twenty plus picks. This is a significant discount. I'll snap him up. I'll snap them up. Let's go to all hitters here and look at this this <hes> forty five to sixty range and see who's around there from this year. You'll get zander under bogart's was at forty eight chris. Davis was at fifty korea was at fifty to plead fifty three daniel annual murphy at fifty eight going over to colorado. I didn't quite pan out tommy fan. Fifty nine george springer sixty three see this is where this is machado is going to live and it's it's going to be fine and i'm open to it because it's not it's not expensive so so there it is there seven guys who've had big dips this year in their w._r._c. Pause and kinda how i feel about them. Quick review mookie betts buying back again staying with him as a first rounder chris davis. I'm really peeling back on pushing him way down. Gotta see where the market puts him matt carpenter. I'm not taking him before when i say like one eighty one ninety at the very earliest probably to hundreds i need to i need a massive. I need a massive. <hes> i need a massive dropped dropped jump back in and carp lorenzo cain gonna drop him down a good bit. He went sixty six last year paul goldschmidt. I'm sticking with him. I'll take any disconnect can get bigger oba's. I'll take any discount discount can get i will also pay the same price as last year if not a little bit higher if necessary i love him for next year and manny machado is gonna drop off from that twenty six a._d._p. Of last year but i will buy back in twenty thirty picks later <hes> with these because i think he's going to be fine so hopefully you you enjoy that i'll be back probably tomorrow with justin <hes> schedule allows if not i'll do another solo and then back friday with nick <hes> all right thanks <music> <music> <music>.

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Hour 2: Bucs Additions

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Hour 2: Bucs Additions

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You just heard the voice of Kimberly Martin NFL reporter who joined us in the last hour talking about the biggest NFL news. Well, I guess the biggest NFL news is that the regular season opener is one week from today Jeez. Texans were ready to go Jay's ready data set September tenth a week from today. That's also my birthday Zubin I'm GONNA. Early, have you in key should get him a Duke Basketball Jersey guys can be. Together there, the Basketball Jerseys keys we'RE GONNA UCLA Jersey this morning paint off losing a bet J wills grinning from ear to ear it might not be wiped off for about a week. I'm just enjoying it. No, it's cool. It's all good bra. He's worked on his a lot of anger pass our he starting to settle and is not touching my skin. So I'm good key does have one layer in between like insists only. Don't even look right. That's my whole. Get up my style swag. My personality does not fit ucla at all whatsoever like assist not even they don't even recruit dudes like me. What does that mean? They don't recruit dues me with attitudes that I got with my swag them over here Boring Russell Ryan Westbrook wasn't born. Russell Westwood barely played at Ucla Right I mean, he didn't get the minutes in the buckets that he should have got. They treated him like he was a step Cha-. Like Ryan Holland's man come on man Ma'am Be Baron Davis. Online one. PD, already know how I feel we grew up together. So we already know how I feel Ryan knows how I feel. Ryan were Number Fifteen keys wearing a forty two for Kevin look at that does this come on the show on the road? All right. Let's do it Kishan J. Wilson. He's wearing that bad because he lost the Clippers Mavericks Bet on who would win the series key and I went with the mavs bad call we're coming to you live from the district appear seventeen and we are brought to you by Heineken also WanNa. Mention not to bring up anything that'd be real quick. What was your record against Ucla? Do you remember how? Easy Yo s rid somebody the tweeted that or don't kill the Messenger Yeah. Well. Owing to against him. Okay. Selfish. Selfish player I bought in those games though. I killed. When those games what me? Idea John. I tried to Willis to victory. But it's not even about my record I never ever grew up. UCLA, I grew up across the street from USC literally my. Building is on the FDR and this is USA I lived on the FDR like. Right there. UCLA, snooty. It's it butts up against Belair and they think that they're just even though we're supposed to be spoiled children they walk around acting as if they just high and mighty because with school is placed in the neighborhood for people that don't know sometimes USC was known as a University of spoiled children. Southern California what what's what's that called victory manageability two fingers down. Seem like downtown. Tough first of all like Hey, I'm from downtown La. Risks every not even right. So how do you? How do you know about good rhys? I'm leaving you leave that one of the next play. We're presented by Progressive Insurance, all of our guests including Damien Woody to talk a little bit of football at seven thirty am eastern appear on the Shell Pennzoil performance line. Okay. So let's get into Leonard. Fournette knows from Jacksonville to Tampa. There's a lot of layers here. Obviously, the opportunity to play with Tom Brady is one but just throw it together. You Got Tom Brady Gronk Mike Evans, the add Leonard Fournette in the backfield are the bucks appreciably better today than they were yesterday absolutely yes. Absolutely they if Linda for neck stay healthy and do some of the same things that he did several a couple years ago with Tom Brady in OJ Howard and rock in Godwin and Evans. They don't be hard to be I'm not saying they're going sixteen in. But there's going to be hard out. When you? Look at. Defensive standpoint in coach bowls and the things that he does from the defensive side of todd. Bowles is ridiculous and you talk about barring left which in cutting down the interceptions Tom Brady going to do that just GP which means basically on his own left with the. Efforts of the offense coordinator when you got Tom Brady at the quarterback spotty, you know that the mistakes are going to be at a minimum. You can win a whole lot of ballgames doing Nazi love you keyshawn you just set up here and talk so great about the bucks and that's awesome. I get Leonard Fournette good pickup if he's what he was a couple years ago when he was healthy. You pick picking up to beat saints. Match. That's when you say. Things. Guy They dating back but they could beat the saints because they. They always given the saints issues when the saints. was last year that they went into New Orleans in pop them with James. Are Are. You picking the Division at South, division just got real tight man that thing got tight I'm asking you to make a stand. Are you picking the bucket? Here's a witness out to visit. I can't go against my nephew in the New Orleans Saints and Michael Thomas, that's all nepotism one hundred. Okay. I'm I'm going with the saints doesn't mean that the books aren't going to be second in and make it to the. Playoffs and make a strong run I. Like the fact that Lynn for decided to go there. You know I was worried yesterday literally forty five minutes prior to him signing here. Allen. WHO works with us in production we were going back and forth on four knit situation trying to figure out why isn't he signed? How come? Because we got a running back his caliber with a four million. Dollar number on him and he clears waivers several hours later, you like nobody's for four million. So something must be wrong and then you got doug marrone trying to throw salt at him out there in the public as if they couldn't get to Nichols fro for him you know it's like wait a minute. What's what's really underneath the hood and once you take a step back and you? Think about Bruce Arians. Who's the players coach? You say, okay this is the right situation veteran leadership with Brady and some other guys over there you say okay. So you're saying all the all the rumors about forget about him sleeping darn game film by him being late for practice by him not being engaged. Well, those things disappear. Now a sudden that he's underneath buried it happens that way man. Had A player. Play boozing mentality losing team losing Matab I gotTA GET OUTTA here. I don't WanNa be around these dues. I don't like the owner I. Don't like how they did some of my other teammates. Cool. Jalen Ramsey, they shipped him off. You know when you start looking at it, you go. I'm better off being somewhere else I can reenergize can get a winning culture that understands meeting. Okay. Bruce Arians understands us in what it's like to be a player in all these other coaches sometimes. Like Charles, Barkley was saying. Those beat frauds and lazy they. You think they'd be good coaches and you beat that they're. Authentic in certain situations, they don't be maybe frauds. They really do self-preservation a lot of times and say, I'm with Kiel on the culture I mean if Tom Brady has established the culture. KRISTA. When not even Tom Brady is Just the culture of a team but it's the work like mentality that is approached every single day. It's easy to get lost in the sauce when you have somebody else. When the cultures right though, right you you tell yourself into what the team is doing that comes with Bruce, Arians, and Tom Brady has your leaders in it happens all the time. But I was wondering why certain teams didn't jump at him needed a running back they all started saying we're we're good. We're set. We're good. We're set in bucks just waiting in the wings and got the deal done and now he's probably GonNa go to the forefront because obviously to me he's better than Leshan McCoy at this stage Ronald Jones one of my USC alums is a solid running. Back, but I don't think he gives you that will limit for net gives you but even so they could use it as a one two punch because I think he's a better back out of the backfield catching the balls Linda for net. But Leonard Fournette man coming down if he's right, you gotta get out the ways he no doubt. We'll talk about it with Damien Woody again, I mentioned at seven thirty am eastern and the hall of Famer Ed. Reed is GONNA join us at eight thirty am eastern time. Obviously, he's a great defensive player in his day when a good. Man Airplanes Safety. So it was good I mean I'm just saying that you know come on man being playful now. Jack. So you have some people on the show now he said, hey, how's your? Face in the mud that's see line now I I don't think I got it I'll ask you. GotTa Wash. He might have got me once we'll ask him at eight, thirty, A. M. Eastern when the hall of Famer joins Keyshawn Jay will and Zubin still to come it was one week ago that sports down again, this time for a completely different reason than the corona virus and for one major league player, it hit real close to home and he's not even back on the field yet we'll get to that and talk to him tell you who were talking about. Ever wonder just how far an extra mile really goes drive a Mercedes Benz van and find out start with a network of over two hundred fifty authorized dealerships backed by a salesforce ready to help you with everything from customization to service on vans like the Mercedes Benz sprinter that's tailored to your lifestyle with options like blind spot assist an NBA Voice Command for spoken directions, weather and more. 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The Volvo XC NINETY SUV offers a range of advanced safety features like an available built in booster seat for your kids safety and comfort in the blind spot information system that has your back and alert you to cars in your blind spot wherever you go summer safely explore exclusive offers on the xc ninety during the Volvo summer safely savings event visit Volvo cars, dot com slash us to learn more. Good Morning. It just seems like he need every single letter of the alphabet for May disease to explain the wildness in the NBA last night let's start with the heat and the bucks. So late in the game, you got Goran Dragic Fouling Chris Middleton ends up hitting three free throws fouled on a three-day tie, the game, and then a very controversial call on Janas fouling. Jimmy Butler with no time left Butler hits both free throws with no time left on the clock and that's the difference one, sixteen, one, fourteen couple of other NBA. Games tonight Raptor Celtics see if the raptors. Can Get on the board and then the nuggets and the clippers at nine PM Eastern. That's a western conference matchup speaking of Western Conference absolutely wild game after the bucks in the heat were done between the thunder and the rockets incredible James Harden at a tough game for for fifteen one for nine from deep. But at the end of the day, the offensive juggernaut made a huge defensive stop on Lou door who had the ball in his hands. In the final seconds, the rockets are going to move on. They'll take on keys Lakers game on Friday night nine PM. Eastern on. ESPN, of course, from the bubble and a sad note from the Baseball Hall of Famer Tom seaver died Monday at seventy five of complications from Louie Louie body dementia and Covid nineteen. If you're old enough, you remember seaver leading the mets to their improbable world series victory in nineteen sixty nine forever known as the amazing mets won three. Cy Young Awards dozen times he was an all star and when he went into. Cooperstown, in nineteen, ninety, two in his first year of eligibility he got an astounding ninety eight point eight, four percent of the vote at the time. The highest election percentage anyone ever had. We'll get some memories of Tom seaver including an amazing off the field story you have to hear coming up with Tim and just about forty to forty five minutes from now more baseball talk on your way here in fifteen seconds. Benefit teams have canceled practice that have open conversations wnba postponed games the last two days Major League Baseball and MLS postponed a handful of games amid the protest. It's a pleasure to have the brewers world series champion obviously one that championship with the royals Lorenzo. CAIN join us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line two time all star Gold Glover World series champion. We'll get to your decision to opt out here in just a second I know you're joining us from Oklahoma as You keep tabs on your team from afar. But as a black man in this country who plays for the brewers Kenosha, forty miles south of Milwaukee. What was your reaction to the Jacob Blake? Shooting. I just don't want us just only speak on shoot. This things have been going on for a long time so. Literature seek tough watch specially made know things that are sticking my head. You know that something I don't like watching don't like seeing. This is the issue you know doesn't go on for a while. As society as a country we need to. Finally. Get better in an aspect. talking talking to allow different people at governors and mayors in in different spots. To to Kinda get all this situated out in find ways to better improve everything that's going on in this country. Lorenzo. When asked you this being a big time player competition so much as an African American in. Taking a look around there's not a whole lot of justice playing right now, what's your reaction to the way that the players have responded to what took place in Wisconsin? Gaza just using the platform you know everybody's in a in a different position life and. You know as athletes you know we must be speak out. We must continue to to to help out people because we're in a position to help people out and continue to do that continue to grow. As people. As a community, this been sports in general I'm doing everything I can continue to bring awareness to the situations as going on because. This can't continue to go on his can continue to happen and Mike say only. Spurs me myself players. We've got continue to speak out. Speak the truth We won't people to be held accountable for when a when they mess up mistakes mistakes but. Things as far as you know, the the George Florida's ident where you know we continue to hold his knee younger on his neck for almost ten minutes. Things that just can't happen in A. Group we got cleaning. Things Musket but. You Know Lorenzo at the time you opted out your the most high profile player by far at the time to make that decision can you take inside that decision for you personally and collectively with the brewers? Situation new. I. Got It. Let's go out there and grind. With teammates but in this instance I had to. Kind of take a look back to step back. nope. With everything that's been going on with twenty twenty. Me also trying to you know get my life back right with God as well and it including the court situation because you know I have two kids one of to have asthma. So situation, I headed discount with my family I and. You know the risks. It just wasn't worth it for me and my family. So adequate him I for change in baseball before them for a long time. Now decided, just just look no going in different directions, I understand that their health is is more important baseball. So why did you know I'm still checking on the boys every day Glenn will not playing will. Talking to my teammates day in day out and Checking in on him, you know we're all trying to. Seek same thing has changed. We look at Major League Baseball. How do you respond to what they're doing in terms of the injustice going on and what would you say that? I would say in the past You know especially when caffeinate starting kneeling at a time and I remember thinking you know our spotting know what I should do because let's be honest guys basically losing their jobs are it was kind of found upon to to kneel but I completely understand why he did it you know. Things, changes for police brutality. and. And for them for me personally, I can only speak on. Milwaukee brewers because that's why play for but. You know I've been holding zone calls. I've been talking to the owner GM consist live talk in internal figure out ways to to help this country a better place. For me. They basically told me what a resource on the thing I need. They back me. They have my back wherever I think anything on the. There and for me the best star in s right now and for name continue to allow us to. Continue to bring awareness and they also help us through process and it's been. It's been a pleasure working with them in China, in trying to change. Low Ha hard has it been sit on the sidelines and watch baseball knowing everything and we're dealing with in our country. Talk is been. It's been really tough. Enjoy the ground liked teammates which I said before. The biggest being out there in grind with him being there isn't isn't was I'm home now in this is kind of or to to to do as much as that won't because I'm considering house and Out For reason I'm trying to keep my family safe trying to keep my safe and it's been talked to see from from far. But saying timeout team been update me every day They've been kind of Lena chart since I haven't been there the Spartan Monte mates they they've been great there continue to. To keep me in the loop, continue to see change to fight for systemic change and. Lorenzo Cain is joining us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line in about one hundred other black players have formed something called the players alliance. Can you tell us about how this organization came together? Is. That goes back to using platform We're doing someday that we were in a position to help people and would just can't sit back and watch what's going on and especially with digital were in and not help people not try to do things. To help change and and that's what we're doing right now using the poorest line allowance alliance rather and where we're taking full advantage of it, and we use the best abilities and will continue to see you know for this thing to to stop, we got to bring awareness continue to fight for each other. people in this country and. I think we continue to do that slowly slowly after like change will continue to happen and like I said I'm I'm I. Don't WanNa have to. Explain to my kids when they get. Oh, you know I won't be hopefully down with by the time they get to certain age when they fully fully understand what's going on. and. I just don't. I want to be the last person to to talk about this. You know that that's what that's what I call progress when when you don't have to hear another guy like myself or keyshawn anybody that's ball talk about a situation over again, and that's what I. Consider Progress have you had any type of communication conversation with any of the players Major League baseball about registering to vote or getting out to vote at all. We have not. You know that we got group up with with everybody on up you can basically. Talked everybody about anything was going on but is something we hadn't specifically talked about. So I'm glad you brought that up. That's something we can I can add to the group in we can get on voting and during the apart good. Like you said, it makes a big difference not putting the right person are having a chance to vote for a right leader the right way in also see changing in what we're trying to focus on as well. So yeah, definitely introduced introduced to the Belus GONNA move on and go from there. Last thing here for you Lorenzo. For Bruce Maxwell who took a ton of heat when he became the first Major League, baseball player to take a knee playing for the Oakland athletics. He's now the New York mets organization he was criticized roundly for that decision since Major League baseball has been a little bit behind the curve with regard to the other sports with regard to social injustice. What do you think about what he did now versus then that we have the hindsight and perspective that we do what did he? What he was was bowled? Of Let's say I was. I was nervous traded to to kneel because. You're basically afraid to lose your job. You know if you went out of kneeling and took a stance against something in which you know where we all need to continue to fight for police brutality and applaud him for doing that in having the strength to do that, and now we're fully, we fully understand why Catholic David Brooks. And I think now from from now now everybody's might use the platform to better suit change and makes it applauded for That took some courage to do that because. I was definitely definitely unsure on what to do back then but. From now, now that definitely, I won't be nerves. I won't be afraid to speak my mind or say what? I need to say to mostly better this world you can find more information about the great work being done by the players alliance that website I mentioned it's a group of one hundred African American players the website is the players alliance Dot Com. Their tagline is one team one dream be the change Lorenzo best to. Stay safe, and thanks for joining us this morning on Keyshawn Jay Williamson. Keyshawn Jay. Wills. Zubin, presented by Progressive Insurance Drivers who save with Progressive Save over seven hundred fifty dollars on average call or click today and find out if we could save you hundreds on your car insurance, we'll talk to ESPN NFL analyst Damien. Would he? On a variety of subjects including Leonard fournette and Kirk cousins. But I, it's time for your sportscenter updates. Control Okay see with seven shoot shake killed us Alexander fires door. He shoots a three block by heart on the permettre and a save on the end line out of bounds to. HOUSTON. How about James Harden struggling all night on the offensive end coming up with one of the biggest defensive plays here in game seven. At marquess to sure the voice of the NBA finals on ESPN radio quick. Reminder. Sports Center brought to you by straight talk wireless cover all your bases with straight talk wireless get the same networks as big carriers only pay up to fifty percent less get the unlimited plan twenty five gigs high speed data. Then two G.. For just forty five bucks a month only at Walmart savings may vary terms and conditions at straighttalk dot com crazy game James Harden did not play well at all four fifteen one for nine from deep but when it counted A. Huge block on Ludo who strangely had the ball in the final seconds for the thunder and the Lakers are the Houston Rockets Game One, Friday nine eastern. On ESPN, the heat continued their playoff surge there to owen the bucks first time ever in playoff history that a five seat has been up to on a one seed controversy all over the game final seconds, Janas, fouling. Jimmy Butler with no time on the clock Jimmy Butler hits a couple of free throws in by that margin hitting three throws with Zeros on the clock puts the heat up to. Oh and we wrap up with some sad news from the World Baseball Hall of Famer the Great Tom seaver. The amazes died yesterday Monday, at the age of seventy five seaver was inducted into the hall of fame. In Nineteen, ninety-two, he received a record ninety eight point eight, four percent of the vote that was the largest biggest percentage anyone ever had at that time ESPN baseball analyst and resident historian Tim Crooked is going to be hearing about half hour or so to regale you with an amazing off the field story, Tom seaver Tom Terrific three-times Cy Young Award winner dozen times and All Star and dead at the age of seventy five. We promised Damian wouldn't ESPN NFL analyst and he is here with us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line eight as Keyshawn, Johnson Jay, Williams Zubin Mackenzie Good Morning Damian first things I wanna ask you about what you think about the addition of Leonard Fournette to the bucks and what it does with. Two they stand is one of the elite teams in the NFC. I mean listen. That's that's another talented running back at the Bay buccaneers advantage to the roster I mean listen. To Sean, we know all you guys would know this when you're surrounded by good guys attends to bring the brings out the best in you as a football player. So you know for a guy like Leonard Net who's looking for research career. What better place to find it and being with the with the go all time. Great Tom. Brady. At the quarterback position and surrounded by all this skill talent that they have when the offense of were on the off side of the football. So this was a good landing spot bauman and again, it brings a physicality. To. Their rushing attack with Leonard Fournette. Big would I know you obviously played only office align part of that beef at the New York jets as well as a New England patriots. What does this do for the offense is struggling line that the buccaneers had by getting a back like Linda for net Keeping when you got a guy like. We gotTA GOTTA. It's physical as Leonard Fournette man he You know sometimes he can. You know make some mistakes. You might have a front office I remember. With no, often note would know all season program. That usually messes up the chemistry with office line because key as you know. With all, you gotta get five guys players one and that takes Rep. so all these guys behind. But again, we had another talented piece to the puzzle. It tends to make job a little bit easier and that's GonNa. Bring to the tape the new. Orleans. Saints, obviously is trying to get a deal done with. ABC Alvin. Kamera think that's the way he wants right? He watches Chimaera. Chimaera? He wanted to say that now not Kamar. Trying to get a deal done with him. How important is it to the saints and that offense for him to get this deal done and stay in camp? All. Key I'll always said that to me album Chimera is is. Is the most explosive piece to the office and that's no slight the Michael Thomas Because Michael Thomas. A fantastic had an MVP type of season last year, but you're talking about a guy who you can move all around the offense whose deadly from the backfield secret position create mismatches against defenses. That's what Alvin Kamara is, and that's what he means to the new. Orleans, saints so to. See that both sides are trying to negotiate a new deal. I think just shows you what the same thing Alvin Kamara, and bought his importance to that drew brees. Big were bring you back to the buccaneers for a second limit for net. Does that change the ceiling for them? No I think he they're gonNA be right there with the with the all the teams, the the usual suspects in the NFC the to me the for the forty niners, you know the cowboys, the saints they're gonNa be right there. It might take them a little bit a little bit more time to jail because again, they didn't have all seen program with A. Couple of new faces in there but. By the end of the year, the ten bucks is going to be a force in the NFC and again, they added another target peace with Leonard Fournette who's GonNa help them be their. Gaming what he's joining us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line I gotta ask you about Cam you played for Bill Belichick in new. England. Now, CAM is going to be doing the same knowing bills personality and knowing camps personality obviously, Bill singing praises right now. But how do you think fit looks First Fargo see man cameras big hail may like. My God dude like beep and say out there. But I think listen I, think there's an element of of from bill that you know we. We've always talked about billing Tom Bill and Tom Tom, and now he has tom's not there obviously with Tampa Bay in bill is GonNa I think bill underneath is easy to show everybody I can win without Tom and then you get a piece like Cam Newton, and I've always said if cameras healthy. Cameras to me is wanted to talk ten quarterbacks in the national football. League. So I think I think Bill Bill Checking Josh mcdaniels GonNa whip up a lot of a lot of rentals that's GonNa that's going to scare out of opposing offenses. Now, we got to see what the other pieces on the outside where they're gonNA bring gonNA bring to the table but. As far as camera he and his ability to to run that office I think cam is in a great spot to be in new. England. Dame you've been in several locker rooms and I know you pretty well and you don't like locker room drama No I already know I know how offense lineman think. Kirk cousins, comments pre, and post cleaning them up how's that going to affect the locker room in the teammates if it will at all I don't think I. Don't think it's going to affect teammates. I don't think it's one of their teammates that much I think I think kirk cousins listen. I think as a release occurred nothing. Angle, I don't know if everybody touch upon I. Think he's a he's a man of space and I think what he was talking about was you know a lot of his comments had had a religious slant to them but obviously, you would like to seen him to be more empathetic in the time that we live in with this whole pandemic and it's killing killed over one, hundred, ninety, thousand people. But key you know the day man football football where I hit trying to win football games you know. So I don't think guys WANNA be in this huge up all over the locker room what handling and they'll go on and and just focused on week one. Sair enough fair enough. These are obviously comments that he has walked back in some regard there obviously made also a couple of months ago when the number wasn't as high as Damian said, it is approaching one hundred, ninety, thousand people. So just a little context there, but certainly seems a little tone deaf dame. Thank you so much for joining us this morning. No, problem. Taking. You to have the perspective of a guy that played for bill ballot check now that about to do the same but let's go back to another quarterback. The comments, his thoughts on cousins guys obviously the the takeaway line yesterday if I die I die essentially talking about if he were to contract Kobe. And Damian and Kimberly Martin joined his last hour essentially said it might have been taken out of context because cousins is a man of faith and he's saying that this is beyond me if it's time to go, it's my time to go that sort of thing What do you think about it because let's be honest in two thousand, twenty context is loss people see that on their phone and immediately it's like I thought this was a good guy. Now he's saying this you know what I? I kind of. Feel the same way based on, understand his information understanding the context of now. Right? I'm like, okay. I, get it. I feel the same way like. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be I can't put when you say it right? Along the way, say the mask is doesn't do that kind of Tylenol at in made you go what are you do it but I understand where he's coming from with certain things certain things out of your control. So why worry about it I get that I understand he just said it in when he said it, it just was like it was clunky. Didn't. It didn't come across the right way wholeheartedly I agree with key. I. Also think though there's a problem within the media sometimes and obviously we all know the words Click Bait and you know you say a like that you can't really say a line like that if you do the kind of repeat the question. In your answer to a degree, which is something that I've learned how to do interviews now, right? Because Shave that out to what I'm saying like. So something a small snippet it's peeled out of there and they'll send that becomes a headline and the have millions of people that react on that we ask them to spot, right Right you and I'm like. Well, we don't really understand context joking. But we live in a cancer culture. Now guys where it takes one little small instance. If you don't have context people just jump on you and then you're almost deemed guilty and the Public Court of law said of being innocent until proven guilty the the only thing out of all that that I still have a problem with is about the mass. Great like. Other than that it. The way he feels about it is cool. I understand. But when you start talking about the mass doesn't help help the situation then I. I i. don't know that I know the guys in the white coats with a pins in their pockets or telling me to where the man that's what hide knows. So therefore, I'm calling to where the damn asking I want you to wear the mask if you're going to be in my locker room and around me at all times and when you're not around me I, want you to wear it because when you come around me, I need to know that you were wearing the mask. That's it other than that it's going the poodle I'm with keyshawn. I'm with. I'm we're we're attached at the HIP. It just to provide some context though it's confusing out there for people. It's like there's so much who is masks not mass depending upon what day you reading? What article who had region you're? In you're listening to is so spaced out there somebody will this one is labeled this or that's labeled that way it's it's a crazy world that we live in. So benefit of the doubt for Kirk cousins. Fair enough remember the last thing the experts said omission games. The expert didn't say where mask initially they're saying where now. So you're right. We're learning new things all the time still to come a title contender with a huge mountain to climb for a spot in the conference finals, a team that has never been or won the NBA Finals Barkley says they're about to get swept does key and Jay. Think this team has any shot. We'll tell you who we're talking about on the way. When you need your bank capital one is right in the palm of your hand. 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Let's just say Charles Barkley who joined us yesterday do not think the Denver Nuggets have a chance to make a high impact in this series against the clippers that re will begin tonight at nine pm Eastern time yesterday I think one of the guys flat out asked him percentage chance that the nuggets could win this series against Kawhi and the clippers zero? Is a perfect match for the clippers. Think we knew I I WANNA make one thing I one hundred percent wrong on the blazers I thought they had enough but they just wore down. But when we started and J will you know he's a basketball game? No disrespect you guys we knew. Because of the pandemic, it's been like almost a year. We knew a year ago. It was no come down to the Lakers and clippers and I've seen nothing the last two weeks this bring me think anything differently. I I want you I was gonNA. Say I want you guys know that when a when somebody says no disrespect to guys disrespect. So I guess, we gotTA GO TO ME I. Get Away with that I wouldn't accept that from every buck real quick I just want to mention nuggets clippers game one, nine eastern tonight on ESPN radio presented by progressive. Insurance we'll talk basketball with Tim legler eight ten am eastern let's talk basketball with you because you are a respected NBA. I just feel like Jamal Murray. Has Left his soul on the court is still on the court. You felt that with every time they played hymning joker. It was like the energy that they had to exude or to get out of that first round match up with Utah was so heavy give me one last interview we had George Lloyd on one. One one shoe retailer on the other hand breaking down him in the hallway afterwards bending over his knees. He seem so tired to only have one day even though s VP, where said, hey, you ready for the clippers on Thursday. So wait what Thursday Yep Thursday like. Today's Wednesday it's Wednesday morning early wee hours of the morning to one day to go against the clippers team that is loaded with the by defenders. Yes. Tomorrow and Yokich a really good players but did they have enough to beat the clippers not at this juncture? Well, sitting there I was asking you. So there's this Murray, the joker, and then who else? Right it's like. The Clippers got so many. Things. That can throw at you. So many players, different players, different sets that they can throw at you. J. You. You mentioned tire. You mentioned you know all of those things one day arrest. In basketball since you basketball expert show as Chuck said no back to you and me the. Experts. Could it be such that they're ready to go with clippers was sitting around kind of waiting. So they get a little bit rest coming out of the first game. Yeah. Look they. They could hit the ground running depend upon how Michael Porter Jr. plays You know he can give them a boost. He's very talented. He's young he has legs they do have options, but it just don't see it just feels like once you settle into the series. Okay. No. Yeah. For sure it's playoff time so they could steal one they might be able to steal one. Might. Be Still One maybe I mean look the clippers have lapses before we watched them have lapses obviously, but I don't I don't Jamal Murray is an incredible talent. I don't know if tomorrow Murray is transcended talent Luca Danni. Keeps me going talent like I. Don't I. Don't know if he's going to be that guy that can do so many of those things Denver typically beat you by the by right they beat you by Playing Tan eleven twelve guys Gara-. Harris Michael Kapoor Junior Jeremy, grant. Monte more say throw guys at you. Guys too but I don't think they have a transcendent talent Luca. Real quick key because you're in La Guy and you know the area. So well, if the clippers were to win this series, which everybody thinks they will, they will be at a place they've never been in the history of the franchise for the first time in their fifty year history they will be in the Western Conference finals. I'm not putting the cart before the Horse, but I am just asking you this is a moment that clippers fans have waited for forever starting tonight on ESPN radio they get this done it's unchartered territory. It's I know you're Laker fans and they'll be. Kind of science. Good right. It's like okay. Cool. It's like the mets if they get something done but this is New York Yankees tour right and so when you look at it, it's like, okay the clippers are good. We respect the fact that this is a team that has rebuild. They got rid of Donald Sterling and all that baggage bombers come in and he's done some good things doc rivers, Jerry. West is there we're happy for them. It's like little brother like, Hey, man, we glad for you. That's I'm serious. That's what it will be. No doubt about. That, but it's the truth. No question about that. Again, we'll talk much more in the cute. Little q clipper fans having him on the head. We'll talk about it with Tim Legler coming up at eight ten, a m eastern time. So here's the thing today in the NBA you got the raptors in the Celtics again, we'll see if Toronto can finally get back on the board and then obviously the clippers will take on the Denver Nuggets Keys Lakers tomorrow on ESPN winning and closer about forty days away. Probably from crowning an NBA champions still to come another title contenders in a must win figuratively not literally we'll talk about their chances next. This is key keyshawn Jay Williams euverte on ESPN radio, and Sirius Xm channel eighty. Thanks for listening to Keyshawn Jay Williams Zubin make sure to subscribe rate and review. You can hear the show live weekdays at six eastern on ESPN radio the SPN news we ever stream your audio

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