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"lorenza" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Of his rookie season was their first about five hundred fifteen years in the next year. He helped them to the playoffs for the first of five times and it was a very good player to the i i think six time all star two thousand eleven. Nl mvp Put some big home run seasons and all that and even a couple of thirty thirty seasons so i think on the merits of earth the numbers he was certainly mon games. Top players particularly in two thousand eleven and two thousand twelve however bron was. You know i Suspended for fifty games based on a positive tested during the that happened during the two thousand eleven playoffs which he fought successfully on the grounds that the sample handling protocol was not followed off. You know quote unquote a technicality. And then he was later. Suspended as part of the biogenesis probe. And somebody who i think defended ron not because i thought he was innocent but because i thought that the way that the grounds that he was protesting on you know the the Due process of of the testing system and the confidentiality of it basically the fa- the foundations of fair and functioning testing system. That that be has for the most part maintained were seemed to be violated both of those cases but as it turns out braun. Was you know he was doping. He embarrassed himself. He embarrassed others by the way. He so vehemently protested. You know his innocence. You know there's a line where he said you know. I would bet my life that i did. You know that the substance didn't enter my body. Which jesus that's a little much but we're really you know what really stuck in. My craw was that he went after the sample handler personally. His public statements were sort of vague. Like we've learned some things about this guy. But according to reports by jeff passan and buster only he was alleging that this sample handler named dina lorenza junior was anti and also chicago cubs fan and ascribing motives for him. Getting caught that that didn't exist and i thought that that was particularly tasteless Even after bron apologized in two thousand thirteen finally admitting the cube really screwed up that one really sticks in my craw jewish fan and writer anytime somebody plays the anti-semitism card were anti-semitism does doesn't exist it. Just it really really really is hard to get past. And i feel kinda personally stung by that especially because i defended the procedural grounds on which she was initially You know the suspension was overturned. And so i just. I chafe and it's here is with him that i can. Certainly you know have a greater understanding of how previous generation of reporters feel very bonds and watch your clemens guys who they feel live to their faces about pd usage. And you know. They can't get past comes to consider them for the hall of fame. Braun isn't somebody who's going to have a real hall of fame casey. He fell short by the numbers. He was never really the same player after the suspension. Which i think it has less to do with with what drug seems dating..
"lorenza" Discussed on KUGN 590 AM
"In the world. I'm John Bachelder welcoming Lorenza fee Ari of the Ansaldo Foundation, based in Genoa. He is in Milano, now, reflecting upon a statements by the prime minister of Italy, Mr Draghi writers Rome, Italy may eventually make Covid 19 inoculations compulsory. For everyone of eligible age and plans to start administering booster vaccine vaccine shots later this month to vulnerable people. The government has already made it mandatory for medical workers to get vaccinated if they want to be paid. But Prime Minister Draghi said everyone may be obliged to get a shot when the European Union health authorities give full approval to the vaccines. Lorenzo a very good day to in Milano, Mandatory for everyone vulnerable. The question is who's vulnerable? Is that the seniors? That would be me? Is that the middle age? That would be you? Is that the school Children now back in school? Good day to you? Good day job and good day to all the radio listeners said. Well, who they're over. People is a very large cluster of people that have a certain fragile EP, for example, because of Agent So I'm a fragile because I'm above a 60. You are for a giant but also those that have pathology that could be jeopardized by the piracy. Stay out affected by it. And so Mr Draghi yesterday was a pretty other mountain and clear answering to question from from the journalist whether he agree about making the vaccine the compulsory to old Italian, saying the reply. Very simply. Yes. The second question was about The third shot of vaccination to the vulnerable people, starting from the rule narrow people and his answer was a yes, of course. There are different opinion in the in the political parties and he's going to let's say, set up sort of a steering committee to agree how to come to this. Let's see. Two actions from one side make the the vaccine compulsory across. So the Italian population maybe gradually barriers already category of work in the data master ever the vaccine, for example, the school period, saying, of course, the nurses and medical doctors and the other kind of went to start. Making the 30 shot or vaccine to the rule the little people We come to the politics of this The Novaks movement exists in Italy and its associated with some of your political parties. I'm not familiar enough to say them out loud in Italian, but Mr Draghi answered them. Bluntly, he said, quote such violence that is those attacks the attacks around no vaccinations. Such violence is particularly odious and cowardly when it is directed against those in the front line of the fight against the pandemic. Is this rising to level of political conversation between parties Are these violent Novaks people considered outliers? Um, uh, not accepted by anybody. Well, a few days ago, we and unfortunately episodes of violence against the particularly the scientific community and in the guest also few journalist there was also an announcement by this movement. No vaccine has to stop that. Say the traffic all the railways in the main railway station in Italy. But these a protester didn't go anywhere. I mean that we're on. Only a few people that you can even account on the finger of your hands. So it's unclear Arab likely. This is a movement that attract a lot on the on the social platform, and, of course, he's also somehow fostered by this attention around. Vaccine a vaccine and this is, of course, affecting also the political party. That doesn't help very much. Mr Draghi was very clear in saying my government is working to take the best decision to avoid any risk of supervising a situation that is Until now positive and stabilized. Of course, there's anything that he's a matter of discussion that politically speaking, it is better that such a discussion we start er and go on in the Parliament, maybe even about out the decision that is proposing to take in order to safeguard Italy as a country overall. We come to the story of the summer, which is tourism, The green Pass and the summer is ending here in the United States back to school. What is the opinion of the green Pass? Is it a success? Will it be extended into the new year? Well, I can tell you that the green passage was an important boost era to the vaccination creator, particularly because this was announced, uh before summer seas on For holidays started and so right now we have a good land They love people completed the two shots. We are above 70% of the population and the ambition is to go around the eighties in the next few weeks. Of course, there is now is sort of slow movement simply because there is still Such reluctancy by certain people, particularly the people that leave saying that in the south in Sicily, for example, and certain degree that believes that the vaccine in position is a sort of limitation of the freedom, in my opinion, and the green pastor was a very important tool. To keep the situation under control. And the number of the time that we stabilized. Unfortunately, we are still having a around the 50 60 people dying every day and 80% of these, uh, that passed away, Adam. Dr. Uh, vaccinated. So this is another clear demonstration that the vaccine works. The mayor of Rome is unhappy. I read from a report in the London Telegraph. The mayor of Rome has launched a legal action against the surrounding region of Lazio, blaming regional officials for failing to control wild boar numbers in the countryside. There are photographs Lorenzo that showed wild boars wondering the streets of Rome. Where do they come from? And is this solve our people solving This is this in other cities. While let me say that this is a situation that is affecting all the Italian terrible territory, Of course, the countryside because we are invaded not only by boards but also my ideas and these are not yet confined into the while. They're into the forest. They go into also the very danger agriculturally cultivated area. But, of course aroma is a very critical, uh, situation for two reasons that over the last year, frankly speaking, the efficiency of the operators that are in charge to avoid such invasion can happen. Are not doing very well because there is a lot of let's say criticism against the major and we have just approaching the election for the new major for the next five years in October, so that he's also a Sam political element. The other critical point for armies. Macaroni is a very large town is one of the largest put down. In Europe much larger than even Paris. And there is another interesting element that the country goes into long downtown. If you look at Zia, Pia the things a Roman Rolled to the south to Naples. This which is beautiful with the water system. Built by by by the Romans. Well, this is a practically hero that brings of the countryside the some area that are wild and forest. How about that? Well cultivated into the center of Rome it answer these. We are up here. Eight, uh, the church of Black Murano, which is the second important Church of aroma after some pita Lorenzo fee RFD and seldom foundations. CBS. I in the world. I'm John Bash. You're listening to CBS Eye on the World with John Bachelor. Yeah..
"lorenza" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"For check of sports from around the world. Here's Dan Schwartzman. Thanks Brian ESPN reports that representatives of Christiano Ronaldo have reached out to clubs such as Petty, Saint German, Real Madrid and Manchester United to gauge your interest in the 36 year old while Ronaldo has one year remaining on his contract, that event is And a return to turn is not off the table. A decision on the future of the superstar has not been made at the French Open. An upset occurs as fourth seed Sofia Kenin is knocked down trade sets by 17th, seeded Maria Sikari 24 seat. Cocoa cough advances for the quarters and trade sets over 25th seat on job or in the men's draw. Top seed Novak Djokovic has to rally from being down two sets. 19 old Lorenza Mazzetti in five sets to advance the quarters, as was said to you won the first two, said 7 to 6, Italian finally retired in the fifth set down for love with the lower back injury. Meanwhile, 13 time open winner, third seeded wrapping the down, moving on in straight sets over 18 Psionic center, as does 10 seeded Diego Schwartzman on 19 Matteo Bertini walks over Roger Federer withdrawn after winning his third round match. Baltimore Ravens and free agent offensive tackle Juwann James agreed to a two year contract with $9 million. The 29 year old will miss this upcoming season with an Achilles injury suffered during off season workouts, which led to his released by the Denver Broncos. Baltimore also bringing back running back, said words on a two year $10 million deal after the 26 year old brush for 723 yards. I'm Dan Schwartzman that your Bloomberg World Sports update Markets headlines and breaking NEWS 24 hours a day at Bloomberg Dunk. Com Bloomberg Business Out and at Bloomberg Quick Take This is a Bloomberg business Flash. And I'm Paul Allen in Sydney, where we are.
"lorenza" Discussed on Women Making Waves Podcast
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"lorenza" Discussed on Women Making Waves Podcast
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"lorenza" Discussed on Women Making Waves Podcast
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"lorenza" Discussed on Women Making Waves Podcast
"You're listening to women making waves radio show and podcast brought to you by susie talk and linden s. This show is all about women doing extraordinary things you had in your life You know a list of things to do that you've written down and you work your way through them. That'll be a recipe. No not that kind of life plan so in other words think of a teenager or somebody about twenty can sitting there going right. This is what i'm going to do. I want to work for this business. And i want to do it by moving countries and i want to do this this and this have you ever had that kind of never. I have never written down a plan. I've had vague ideas of what i want to do. Over the years but not a plan to that extent. I find that quite extraordinary and then actually actually follow out the plan. Do this trick to it and years to achieve. But she did it. And that is one of our guest today. lorenza wildcard. She's just released a single of all things that was not in our plan but she's actually managed to do it so that'll be an interesting little conversation that we're going to have later on. It is especially as that was not on her plan. Olam yeah so having open the shouldn't yes we have. We have now accepting the plan and then of course somebody else may be probably also didn't have a plan but is now working very very hard with all her plans on. Clients of course is entrepreneur fe holland in another really interesting chat with fail. And who is quite inspiring. I'm the hardest working businesswoman. I think i mean they're all hard working and we knew that we're always asking how the heck defer in your things in your spare time but when you see the list of businesses and organizations that she's involved with on boards and various things. I don't know how she does and also slotting it into your life partner. I think this is where we're going plan..
"lorenza" Discussed on Women Making Waves Podcast
"You're listening to women making waves radio show and podcast brought to you by susie talk and linden s. This show is all about women doing extraordinary things you had in your life You know a list of things to do that you've written down and you work your way through them. That'll be a recipe. No not that kind of life plan so in other words think of a teenager or somebody about twenty can sitting there going right. This is what i'm going to do. I want to work for this business. And i want to do it by moving countries and i want to do this this and this have you ever had that kind of never. I have never written down a plan. I've had vague ideas of what i want to do. Over the years but not a plan to that extent. I find that quite extraordinary and then actually actually follow out the plan. Do this trick to it and years to achieve. But she did it. And that is one of our guest today. lorenza wildcard. She just released a single of all things that was not in our plan but she's actually managed to do it so that'll be an interesting little conversation that we're going to have later on. It is especially as that was not on her plan. Olam yeah so having open the shouldn't yes we have. We have now accepting the plan and then of course somebody else may be probably also didn't have a plan but is now working very very hard with all her plans on. Clients of course is entrepreneur fe holland in another really interesting chat with fail. And who is quite inspiring. I'm the hardest working businesswoman. I think i mean they're all hard working and we knew that we're always asking how the heck defer in your things in your spare time but when you see the list of businesses and organizations that she's involved with on boards and various things. I don't know how she does and also slotting it into your life partner. I think this is where we're going plan..
"lorenza" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Melissa Lorenza leads the political law practice group at taken Gump. Those are all things that that could be very important with respect to lobbying strategy and hear the Biden eo obviously, cuts that offer certain amount of time. People leaving. The administration can't work for foreign governments for at least two years, and there's a new golden parachute provisions. It says An appointee can't accept a big bonus from their former employer. Reward them for landing a job in government, Lorenza says. This is welcome clarity because golden parachutes have tripped people up in the past. In the past of somebody had done that, then it could trigger recusal obligations, it could disqualify them from serving in certain positions. So I think having that in the Biden CEO is very helpful. But some ethics advocates say it should do more. I'd say it's a very good executive order. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's great. Walter Shop is a former head of the Office of Government ethics. He wants Biden to release all ethics related documents, including waivers when people get an exception from the ethics pledge and approvals. Like when appointees get permission to attend a fancy Washington gala that exceeds gift limits so everyone can see whether they're meeting the high standards laid out in the order. It's disappointing because I think we're in a post trump era where we've learned just how weak the ethics program is, and we have a narrow window of time. Strengthen it while the country is reform minded. In a statement, White House spokesman Michael Gwynn defended the ethics policy, saying it is historically bold and expansive. Waivers, at least will be made available 10 days after they're certified and White House visitor logs will eventually be posted A restoration of Obama era transparency Norm Eisen is encouraging them to include zoom meetings, too, since in person meetings aren't happening is they used to in this age of Cove? It President Biden and Vice President Harris Have gotten a credit that they deserve for ambition and for bold commitments, But now they're gonna be watched closely on implementation. Transparency, he says. Knowing people are watching is a key to avoiding scandal. Camera. Keith NPR NEWS, the White House. Many Americans over 65 are eager to get the Corona virus vaccine. But online access to sign up is a major stumbling block. Ask your smart speaker to play NPR or your local station by name to hear that story on tomorrow's Morning edition, and you're listening to all things considered..
"lorenza" Discussed on KFI AM 640
"Meanwhile in Fresno Lorenza says that she, uh, she she confronted the guy as he was coming towards me. I said back off by away and he did, by the way he backed off. He knew that Lorenzo was serious, however. He broke into the apartment of a neighbor 81 year old Elizabeth McRae. And Elizabeth says he grabbed me. Hey, shook me. I went down to the floor and Lorenza next door, of course, heard the screams and immediately went to help. Lorenza PS is 4 Ft. 11 0? Yeah, and weighs £100. I saw video from from Channel to where she's holding a baseball bat. That bat is almost as large as she. It's a miniature American baseball math. It's almost as large as she is. Now. She gets into her friend. Elizabeth's apartment squeezes himself between her and him, she says. I put Mama on the side. I jumped on him, and I was punching him and everything. And I had a cane against his throat. And then she demonstrates at one point She's got her knees on the chest of this a whole. My knee was gone. My mother knew you were dying so Has his job and I was aiming for his eye. But before that, she swept the leg like that's how she got him down. Well, I mean, how else would you get a bad guy down? Sweet delay, You would be able to sweep the leg. The guys stand up all sweet, All right. I can do the crane. Not if I'm sweeping the leg. You can this'll guys 5 10 £150, and she was able to take him down with that move. She says that she is a little rusty. That didn't sound like you know, she had by the way she's demonstrating this move. She had her fingers. Like she was going to poke them through the guy's eyeballs when she talks about she was had his her knee on his chest and had him by the throat was aiming for his eyes before he gave up. She said. He lifted up and try to twist my hand. But the same time I twisted his and turned it around really fast. And he was saying you're hurting me. You're hurting me, man. You got to turn your man card for sure. And I said, I don't care. I don't care what happens to you had no right to hurt an elderly person. Police eventually arrived to the senior living complex arrested the guy who apparently lives in the complex and does some handiwork for the other residents. How many times do we hear about guys that are handy men commit crime like that's Ah, That's a red flag right there. If you've got a handyman Well. Is that why? Why is that? I don't know. I just feel like there's been a number of date lines and murder shows I've seen where it turns out. The killer is a handy man. Lurking in the back shed. So are bad people drawn to the handyman trade or her more who was killed in Nevado in the early eighties early Ninety's late eighties killed by that church handyman. I think you're Think you're making judge. He's not saying handyman. All baggage is not, but I do feel like I've seen a number of handyman get in trouble with the law. I have to read you something already. Email.
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Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.
"lorenza" Discussed on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
"Sauce. Just he's throwing his people flair on it saying Saas Saas. It always sounds like SAS but like I feel dumb. If that's like something that I should know that I don't know what SAS means but I don't I can't ask him at this point because we're too far into this so I feel uncomfortable even bringing up the subject of what. What are you saying if we have them on the local hour? I'm asking him. It's also the only word by the way. This isn't like a thing like this heavy accent. I can't understand it because of an accident. It's just that one word yeah. I think that he's saying something and making a reference I just don't get. I think he heard US say sauce. One time member because Chris was having the discussion with me in the in the back room the shipping container. Saying what is sauce so I was explaining to him what sauce was and I think people heard it and hurt us using sauce and started seeing himself so he said it he said for a while. And this is this is the closest. I've gotten to try to figure out what it is that he's saying is Lorenzo was down here a couple months ago. Whatever and he was just Kinda like sitting in the studio one day and people came in his assassins like handing out of shots and Lorenza screaming back to him so that people leaves an attorney. Lorenzo go what is it like. You know what it is that he's like. What does that mean what assassinate? He's like I don't know he was just saying it's like you're kidding me. I thought this was finally today that I got. The answer is what it is that he said but no. Can I ask this question because now okay? So we've got a lot of complaints as the quality of the audio. So everybody has their microphones in like things. I think are starting to sound somewhat.
"lorenza" Discussed on WMAL 630AM
"Dr Maria Lorenza about mental health and the impact of mental illness. Joining the conversation is Dr Matthew Reinhart, a clinical psychologist and director of the war related illness and injury study center in Washington DC, which is mostly referred to as risk. Doctor Reinhard has an extensive clinical background on cognitive and behavioral psychology completed the MA and a doctorate on clinical psychology from Pepperdine university. He also teaches as professor at Georgetown University medical school in psychiatry. Wow. Dr Ryan hard, what an extensive background is truly an honor to have you with us today. Thanks for having me. Tell us about risk. What exactly is the war related illness and injury study center? Sure, I'd be happy to. First of all, we'll just call it risk. And we won't say that the whole thing is a little too long. But risk is a national program in three locations. There's a location in New Jersey, California. And of course, here in DC. We do is we specialize in post deployment health through clinical care research and education, as you may know veterans have unique healthcare needs and concerns that include exposures to dangerous such as toxins in the combat environment. And elsewhere and we worked to educate veterans and VHA providers about how this might relate to current health conditions from a clinical perspective, we also function as a second opinion resource for the VA nationally for veterans with particularly difficult health concerns that are often difficult to define and treat and because of the population we treat and educate which really includes veterans with chronic multi system and multi symptom concerns who started several years ago thinking about novel ways on how to help with their treatment. And we developed in great health and wellness clinic at the medical center. Where we offered acupuncture and meditation and we've seen some great success with them with the alternative therapies and treatments. Is there a cross function between that and mental health? Doctor taking you talk to us about that. Yes. Certainly if we use the target conditions such as post traumatic stress disorder, for example, we have many veterans that unfortunately suffer chronically with the symptoms of PTSD. Sometimes it's very hard for people who've not been in a combat situation themselves to really understand what it's like to be in that situation, sometimes family members or friends trying to be helpful. We'll say, well, you know, that's something that happened to you forty years ago or fifty years ago, you should just get over it. And if they could they would it's not like a light switch. They can just flip it off the things that are happening to them currently really survival strategies that help them in many ways to survive more successfully. And we have a whole host of tools that we can use to help them. One of the most exciting tools. I think are these complementary and alternative medicine techniques, meditation, for example, many of our veterans have found to be extraordinarily helpful. It's something that they can utilize at three o'clock in the morning after they've woken up from a very disturbing nightmare, for example. They can travel with this technique, and they can really learn how to use it very effectively to be able to calm down some of the, hyper vigilance and anxiety that's associated with post traumatic stress or regular citizen. I can be affected by PTSD talk to me a little bit about the difference. Think about the title post traumatic stress that means that the individual was exposed to some sort of trauma the trauma, of course in veteran. Population is often combat, but it could be any situation in which either one's life is threatened or where someone they care about is threatened. It could also be when one is raped whether it occurs as part of a military sexual trauma or. Outside of the military. It could also occur. When one is almost a proxy connected to a traumatic event. So for example, if one's child is threatened or severely injured kidnapped for example, and one may find oneself reliving that incident, for example, following September eleventh where we saw a lot of newsreels of what was happening at the Pentagon or in New York City, and there were many people watching the experiences and caused a series of symptoms, including re experiencing the event having intrusive memories of the event, waking up in the middle of the night feeling very anxious or hyper vigilant as if something bad is going to happen and even experiencing avoidance, you know, flying in an airplane, for example after September eleventh or avoiding certain situations that remind the individual of the traumatic event these are the kinds of symptoms that can be associated with post traumatic. Stress. Doctor Reinhard talk to us a bit about some of the research that happens as part of the risk program. Sure. So one of the things I'd mentioned earlier was the clinic that we started at first we wanted to see if these complementary and integrated modalities would be something that veterans would be interested in and we found we got very busy fairly quickly that really is data. The data is in the utilization of those services, and that that tells us something has healthcare providers the patient population in this case, the veterans are very interested in this. And of course, being a study center, we started measuring things like their satisfaction with the care that they were getting we found very high rates of satisfaction. And that just about all the veterans engaged in. This would recommend it to their friends and two other veterans. We also measured and ask them all kinds of questions about improvements and symptoms that they might be having. We asked them a lot of things, and we found that they reported improvements in mental and physical health things like pain, sleep improvements, anxiety reporting improvements in multiple areas. We've expanded upon this and we've written some grants, and we've been fairly lucky recently to have some additional grants come through. And we're going to be studying this even further talk to me more in detail about the alternative therapies are their success stories, do people readily share their stories of success. I'll tell you what. There are one hundred stories I've heard and I've reviewed the quotes one of the things we ask people to do is write down in a narrative form what their impressions are. And the things that veterans say are pretty powerful. They'll talk about you having access to being learning. How to meditate has really affected them a great deal and change your life. I've been stopped many times in the hallway of the medical center by veterans who want to tell me that. And so that's very good to hear that keeps us going to keep figuring out ways to be able to provide these things through grants and through clinical services and things like that. Is there anything else that we should inform? Our listeners have them lead healthy mental state. So the one thing that I would say. Why is that if you feel like you're experiencing psychological distress bring it to the attention of your primary care provider. Let them know that you're having trouble sleeping. Let them know that you're having physical symptoms. That are uncomfortable that you're having a lot of stressing your life. There are a lot of things that individuals can do in order to alleviate that distress. Sometimes something as simple as exercising. Twenty minutes a day can significantly help. And in some cases, the individual may need to see a mental health professional, but there's really no shame in asking for assistance and actually asking for that assistance can really make a significant difference in the person's life as well as in their family life. If there veterans listening at this time, how would a veteran contact the Washington DC via medical center to seek this type of assistance. So a couple of different things if they've never been to our medic. Center. Remember that there is the crisis hotline that they can contact, and that's a very easy way to get connected with the system, generally if they've been to the medical center and they're in acute distress. They can certainly come to the emergency room if not they just need to either see their primary care provider who can refer them to mental health or come to the mental health clinic, and we'll be happy to accommodate them and conducted an evaluation tech Lawrence..
"lorenza" Discussed on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
"I was I was ready to believe you until I saw the video of bomber putting his hand out you just swimming by it as if you were on a roller coaster, turn he caught I contact and he was waiting for bomber to get his clothes as all of our put his hand out and Blake rand pass them. But when the hypothetical is as your answer cannot be I'm not here to answer hypothetical questions when the question is is simple. As would you have shaken his hand? Can it be hypothetical? If it happened like it was a situation, not a hypothetical situation. He stuck his hand out and you didn't shake his hand. But he's saying if it was. Yes. If it was outside of the pre game routine Blake was not prepared for that question. Didn't have any good answers for that question. And it's really whereas life fell apart. And the video the video is great because it's bomber as soon as he sticks his hand out Blake Griffin Lorenza put that on a loop that runs in the corner with the pizza maker. Maybe maybe it wasn't preplanned. But he definitely saw him and just gave them a you've got to answer the hypothetic. I was ready to believe him. I'm ready to believe him. I has to be of course, I would shake on any other circumstances. But I saw Steve bomber who paid me hundreds of millions of dollars. Of course, you're shake his hand. Of course. I would did I speak English there. You can just say, of course, I would. And that would have put him, you know, maybe could've put an end to the story, although we would still have the video, and we would still gossip so great or bomber. Let's not poor bomber don't use those words together. Oh, bad for him in that moment. But they knows worth billions. But just in that moment, I felt badly four billion dollars for the clippers handout. You know, look the video forevermore will be bomber putting his hand out and Blake Griffin. Sprinting away from him as if being chased by a gang of guerrillas. In the wild just running away to the locker room. Let's update the polls at lebatardshow. We also have to get to funniest thing of the sports weekend. We will do that in the next segment. But let's update the polls here at lebatardshow Instagram and Twitter, we have a lot of them today. Incidentally, that's generally the sign of a pretty good show. I'm not sure if today if qualifies. We've lost here. Mo he's just still watching pizza making over there. He hasn't paid attention. Any parts of the show today. I just found out that it's very important. They seem to measure the DOE two different ways because as pointed out by the announcer. Does a living breathing thing and year to year of forty inch. Doe is not the same as a thirty three inch of the next year because things change, Dan. Keep fell about. Starring for me for our the announcers. How're the announcers on ESPN three breaking down the pizza making competition? They seem to know what they're talking about me. I don't know what I'm talking about. But there seems to be former participants in this competition breaking down the dome aching. It's it's fascinating who's calling it? I don't think they're going to be names. We know you never know ESPN three pizza eating competition. It's where we punish people mcdonagh's the lead guy. No. Mcdonagh. He has a good McDonnell mcdonagh close. Then who would be the best announcement this company? Tot lebatardshow Rex Ryan at lebatardshow looks on on Twitter and Instagram. What do you have today's to God? He is still watch the sports cast on the local news. No one watches that. I don't know what happened to it..
"lorenza" Discussed on Tech News Today
"Saying bad stuff about her and posted to soundcloud, which is this sort of file sharing site from us and all these other kids immediately updated it in Instagram bio and she was devastated. And there was no, there's no recourse. You can't tell soundcloud to take down. You know, the kids themselves obviously aren't gonna take it down so can be really hurtful. Yeah. So you'll bullying is is not okay. We all agree on that. Hopefully and all these tools like is none. Thing safe is everything safe. Like what I mean to some extent outta lessons is what they're supposed to do, right. Like at some sort of like, we're trying to figure out who we are and we're not like this person and that person. So I mean, what? What when you talk to teenagers? What are they most want? Have you talked to them about what they most want from parents or adults and the technologies to help? Yeah. I mean, I think what solvent bullying is really hard. There's so many safeguards. Instagram could put in place, you know, I think that as a platform, it doesn't seem like they really have taken harassment seriously. I mean, people get just as much as men on Instagram as they do on Twitter. Twitter has this bad rap and had to have this whole public reckoning. And there's all this happening I too, but I think you know when it comes to bullying, Israeli, subtle, the kids that I spoke to all just said that they wish that their parents were more open. I think. I mean, that's so hard because I've been in that position to, you know, when you're a teenager like you're not really ever gonna tell your parents, everything. And it's embarrassing to alive the cancer link. I don't want to tell my mom like I feel embarrassed about it, kind of they don't wanna acknowledge it or they like their parents are going to get worse or like call that person's parents. But I always how you one girl that you know she did end up tying her mom and the mom did call the other girls mom and it did stop and it had been. They had tried. She tried to resolve it on for months. So I think she was mortified in the moment, but ultimately glad that her mom did that. So you know, kids say like, oh, just let us do whatever appearance you just make it so we can trust them. But I think sometimes parents do have to step in and like mortified our kids a little bit. Resolve this. Taylor. Thank you so much for joining us again, Taylor Lorenza staff writer at the Atlantic. She has Taylor Lorenzo Twitter. I just love you do write about other things besides teens and technology. And so I love your work there. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care. Last week, Bloomberg business week reported that Chinese spies infiltrated almost thirty US companies including Amazon and apple through the technology supply chain. Amazon Apple strongly denied the story, but one of the sources yo apple bombs, EEO Sepe, oh system says, this is an industry wide problem. Joining us to talk about. The plausibility of this kind of hacking is ethical hacker. Then he Troy welcome back to the show. So what can you tell us about how China might infect our hardware? Like the Bloomberg story at the supply chain level? I mean, it certainly an intriguing story. I mean, when you look at it from the perspective of you have some of the largest companies in the world that are doing their manufacturing over in a country that were known to be cyber adversaries with. I mean, it's it's certainly very plausible. And when you think about the amount of time and resources, it would take for a nation state to to either train people to hack our systems or even to do the hacking itself..
"lorenza" Discussed on Rob Has a Podcast
"Jim lee ask you from lorenzo this is going back to the final four fire making challenge lorenza wants to ask you robyn cam big fan of you both i have a question regarding the final four fire making challenge assuming that dominant in wendell can make fire better than anybody else left in the game if you're dominic and wendell and you win the final immunity would it be a better move to take the other person with you ryan from last season said that he felt like the jury's looked at him as if he was dragged to the end do you think that would be a good chance to play that card and deprive your biggest rival of earning his spot in the final three could that be the last nudge to push you over the edge in the gerbil one of the things that came out of last season very much was this idea of what you do in front of the jury having more significance in over stuff that happened where they didn't see and fire making would be one of those things where if you won that fire making competition in front of the jury does feel like you've won a victory in front of the jury and they say oh look at that guy that was pretty good like that especially if you don't take an hour like some of these other survivor players have done in the past so do you like that idea for dominic and win they'll drag the other person to the final final three on the other hand then they could go into the fire making challenge and lose and then you have kind of real straight shot at it yeah i mean i think an an a cynic everybody feels more equally sort of equal opportunity and there's not this situation with dom and wendell that makes more sense to me that this would be something that someone could do in front of the jury i just think this is a unique situation unique season i mean i can't even kind of like you were saying with my season if we'd had this situation i don't know that this is going to have a huge impact or it's hard to imagine how which impact of this point if domin wendell are going like kind like it doesn't necessarily matter kim let me ask.
"lorenza" Discussed on Anderson Cooper 360
"Pamela brown joins us now with the latest pamela first the latest on donald trump junior and the many questions about his meeting right uh we have learned today john that donald trump jr president trump's oldest son has agreed to sit down for a transcribed interview with the senate judiciary committee committee similar to what a trump's soninlaw jared kushner did just recently we don't know the exact date but but he is expected to meet with people on capitol hill the staff of the city judiciary sometime next month investigators what are learn more about his attendance at that 2016 meeting at trump tower or he was promises dirt on the clinton campaign and they wanna know why his initial statement on that meeting saying it was only focused on adoption was more forthcoming to include the facts he was promised derogatory information on clinton as will recall don jr eventually tweeted out the email exchange that led to that meeting but it is not worthy john that the president's son has now been caught up in the russian investigations on capitol hill in the subpoenas connected to paul manafort what do we know about them pebble so this could be viewed really is it aggressive tactic by robber moeller especial special and his team to issue subpoenas to a former lawyer for men an manafort occurrence spokesman adjacent maloney these subpoenas requested documents and testimony from melissa lorenza an attorney who represented manafort until just recently as well as to jason maloney who has made a ford spokesman this is according to several people familiar with the matter this is on top of subpoenas muller issue to pr firms representing a campaign manafort was involved in years ago as we've reported he is under investigation for possible tax and financial crimes.