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Ep. 10 Murder Cases Solved by Psychics
"Welcome are you. You're that has to consult Tehran cards before you can leave the house in the morning. Well this is the podcast for you. Welcome to happy hour. Gets weird all right. Are you ready ready. Hi everyone the High Commissioner podcast where we drink cocktails and talk about where chip weird shit this week. We are drinking a whole entire flight of MO- says they're very delicious. And it's a little celebratory because it's our tenth episode number ten and we're double digits now we're here and we're ten and we're ten so thank you for listening and we have a good show for you today. Thank you so much for listening. We actually just kind of figured out our stats and were learning how to read them from our different platforms and we have a lot of listeners. 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We see you on the stats. But we haven't heard from you so say hi feel free to reach out. Yeah and thank you so much for listening. So what are we doing today. Today's topic is psychics. Who have solved crime? Oh Yeah Baby. I'm so excited. Yeah I've been wanting to do it for a while. Yes she's been like let's do this. Let's do this. Who wants to WHO wants to go first out you go first are you sure Yeah because if you let me go I take the whole episode. The you go first. Oh so while. You're getting your stuff together. Do you want to run down. The We did a pomegranate elder flower. Mimosa in our flight we did a strawberry mint Mimosa in our flight and we did a blackberry Mimosa and all that information nation in the recipes and how I made that in a picture of our cocktails will be on instagram. Happy hour gets word. Perfect yes look us up. Let's get started needed when Andrei Dago went missing. Help came from a stranger two thousand miles away. My sources are I found an online. PDF PDF called ESP blue. Oh yes I step in a Schwartz. A South China Morning Post article by Winnie Ewing and La. Times article called Cyprus. Psychic tells court of helping to solve murder and legacy dot com. Those are all my sources says all right. Let's get into June nineteen eighty-seven Louisiana surrounding Norlin area. Did you hear. I tried to say like pick the right way New Orleans. Knowledge Nolan's Andre. Dago was at a bar with his best friend. They were drinking beers and playing pool. As the night it began to wind down a woman that had been hanging out with the pair asks for a ride home. That unfortunately was the last time anyone saw Andre Dago alive four days later. His sister alise McGinley. Living in southern California was becoming increasingly worried. She couldn't get a hold of her brother and he had miss work. Doc this compounded with the fact Andre was supposed to be house sitting for another brother and hadn't been at the residence and the guy had a cat which was never fed so everyone was kind of like this is not normal for Andre. He was a very reliable person. Police weren't really overly concerned because he was an adult and there was no signs of foul play. Andre Gray was just gone. The family remaining in Louisiana led by Elise from southern California attempted searches that lead nowhere. A Lisa's distress was palpable. When a friend from work made an unusual recommendation call rosemary care? Rosemary care lived in Cyprus California as a child rosemary would hear hear things no things as an adult she had guides it would visit her at three. AM when her mind was relaxed. An open bringing her information. The the only explanation of these guys is that there were two of them. I thought you said guys he's just like okay. Rosemary do your thang okay is this rosemary or rose Marie. Look it's Rose Marie Right Rosemary I keep saying Rosemary because we've talked about a rosemary. Every the episode guides so there was guides that came to her. Okay she would be sleeping so her mind would be kind of open and relaxed. Okay one would come with a warm. I'm feeling ooh and the other would come with the tickling feeling. Okay yes believe Rosemary will put a question out there and be answered third by knowledge. Okay rose Macaire was a psychic. Oh done done now. These two women rosemary analysts brought together by misfortune. I sat in Rosemary's kitchen. Rosemary said a short prayer to ease Elisa's agitation between the two Laya picture of Andrei and a map rosemary. Some retouched Andres photo and began her work. She saw water a low bridge and railroad tracks. The number seven had significance there. There was a man's face with long dirty blond hair and dark vehicle. A woman had exerted a hold over Andrei. Finally Rosemary felt a sharp pain pain in her head indicating something that Andre had felt. Are you scared yes. It's a little I know. Oh my Gosh I can picture. I'm freaked out. Keeping her eyes is closed. Rosemary slit her hand across the map. Your fingers stopped. It was on the town of slidell Louisiana along the highway. That would be where they'd find Andre but they had to do it now at least hurriedly called her family in Louisiana and told them they had to get to slidell thirty minute drive drive from them. The family followed. The order rushed to the location. Arriving at midnight wants inside L.. Andres older brother almost immediately saw on race truck driven by two strange men one of them long blonde hair. Oh my goodness it chasing sued. They passed a highway patrol and another family member stopped and asked him for help. The officer followed the cars. The truck made a wrong turn onto a dead end. The suspect surrendered. Charlie Jarvis and Michael Phillips exited the vehicle the only thing even more horrifying than the crime itself. The murder of Andre was the motive. These to shit bags killed Andrei a total stranger to form a bond of blackmail. They they had thought that if they murdered someone together it would prove their manhood and make them unable to snitch on one another. After later crimes they planned on committing. What so their whole plan was was that they sent in Phillip's girlfriend who was seventeen at the time into the bar? That was the girl that was with them playing pool right at the end of the night. She asked Andre for a ride ride home realizing that he was a nice guy who would help her out so she. She lured him away from anybody else. The two men met up with them and killed. Andre what what the fuck me was gonNA rant somebody together yes so when we go for example rob a bank. Nobody will snitch. You can't stitch on me. I can't since you has also Al-Salem. Oh yeah well. He did this yes they planned to go and have like a crime spree in New Orleans after this happened so it was just totally random. Andre did nothing wrong. He was just literally at the wrong place. You'll be nice. Just a nice guy who was going to give this girl a ride home so awful. These as criminals killed Andrei dumped his body and then pond the few items that were in his truck so the question is just. How accurate was Rosemary's knowledge? Right Right Rosemary. said the body would be found near water. A Bridge in a row road. Andre was found near an elevated bridge like intersection interstate. Uh with railroad tracks to the east and water along both sides. She also said the number seven would be significant. Police exited interstate exit. Seven to get to the body's location. The head pain that Rosemary fell was linked to the cause of death. Andres cause of death was head trauma. He was beat with a Claw Hammer. Oh my God really really really awful. Furthermore she sent the family to the right town and highway at the right time if she hadn't told them like you have to go now. They witnessing witnessing though they wouldn't trust. Yeah because they pretty much got there and the guys drove by fits your really incredible so many birds Chinese mother the. Da Leblanc said that Ger- visas is probably the most evil individual that I've ever come across as a prosecutor. He was in my opinion a cold blooded killer the leader the three and probably would not hesitate to kill again all three first survey phillips and later the seventeen year old girlfriend were sentenced to life in. Good Yeah yeah the. Da Leblanc found Rosemary's contributions so valuable to the case. He put her on the stand. She actually testified in the trial. No Way and there are several roll a couple of articles about her testifying in the trial so amazing he was really impressed. He basically said it's like thanks to her that we caught these guys. 'cause you know oh my gosh. What an office My Star could not be more opposite. It's easy not to believe stories about psychics. Because so many of them are liars scammers or just attention acres you know. It's it's hard Leblanc the. Da like so many of us had been skeptical of psychics. However when asked about Rosemary's abilities he said there was absolutely no way that it could have been by chance? This woman is a genuine psychic. She's the real thing that warms my heart. I know this wasn't the last time Rosemary Care helped solve a case or give a family closer over the years. She helped the local police like they would call her. She would take calls from families she. She tried to help people throughout her whole life. A wonderful woman she also married and had five children so she was pretty busy in two thousand five. She used her gift on a show called psychic witness which I was not aware of when I started researching this because all the articles were really old. Yeah but then I found him newer article and she was on a TV show. Which I've I never watched two thousand five? The Youtube Rosemary died March sixteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen. She was eighty years old white goodness. She loved up full Mike Helping so many people. But I know isn't that crazy. I was okay so disclosure I I already drank two of my three Moses on my flight and I was had a good like my numbers straight up sober after a story it gave me chills even reading it again when dead sober God could you imagine having that ability where you could just see all of that from touching a photo oh of stranger. Would I want the ability for guides to come to me at three am or guys. I don't know I think guys I want guys knocking on your. Hey we're here but he do at all fashioned you up tax okay okay so you combines like the total opposite Oh my gosh I'm excited. Okay so I am. I got this from Phantom Dot Com and also it was unsolved mystery so the old one February third nineteen ninety five is aired so good Alright so December fifteen nineteen eighteen eighty melanie your e bay. A thirty one year old nurse failed to show up to her shift at work. She was considered reliable viable and punctual so her shift manager was concerned. Call her house at two. No answer so after there is no answer. She didn't show up to work. They called the police job eight. Yeah right to be so young so the police started to look she was missing. They couldn't find her her. The next morning her truck was found burned along with her Nursing uniform in the truck Thirty two year old. Etta Lewis. Smith never considered herself a psychic. She did when she was young. She did have visions winslet movies of events in the future but she never considered herself a psychic but when she went to her packing working job at an aerospace engineer company The radio was playing and when she heard food on December seventeenth the disappearance of Melanie. Your e Bay on the radio. They were saying they were doing house to house searches Che's and that they couldn't find her in there were looking in her neighborhood and she was hearing on the radio and she immediately got the feeling if she's not in the house she got a feeling she's not in house and it was a strong feeling that she did not confined to her house. She's not in half. She had no no prior knowledge of the case. It was that morning at work where she heard it on the radio where she I heard the case she had such a strong feeling. She laughed work work early and she went to the police so she had a vision that morning before she left and she she had a vision and she said if played like a very very clear movie in her mind it was a canyon with brush and Bushes and curbing road and and hills in the background and a dirt path leading to something white. She felt like it might be Melanie's body me and the location of were was. She didn't know the name of location but she felt like it was familiar in. She could find it so she laughed. Work Yeah and she went to go talk to police and she talked to detective Lee Ryan who was skeptical but because she was an upstanding citizen and she had a good job in actually at her job. At the Aerospace Engineer Company. She had a very high clearance. So that Kinda gave her some some cloud so we sat down and he listened to her and they gave her a map and she pinpointed to a remote. Moat Place called Lopez Canyon in the San Fernando Valley Above Lake butte terrence terrorists terrorists terror terrorists torrance terrace. Okay Lake Terrace. ETA had a really strong feeling that Melanie was there she was she didn't know she was dead or alive but she knew she felt that she was there. The police took down the Info but they dismissed her with The didn't go there. We can't it. Just go. Nope they didn't know what she was the murderer. They thought that she was timed somehow. Trying to get money by doing this. So so she kept having hike the same vision over and over and over and over again would not stop issued kept having the same vision and she had the urge to go there. They're like she had the urge that she's graduating so she was like screw it. I'm going fricken going. So she drove there. She took two of her kids internees and she drove to Lopez Canyon so that night for that day later that day so she went to work heard. The radio left. Work went to the police station. They were like Okay Lady. Thanks bye and then she left. The station went home and she kept having like this feeling to go. Ocean's ego ran down so she took two over older kids and her knee. I was GONNA say hope. It wasn't like a baby and a one year old is that's GonNa help. They were older. Okay okay so she went. She drove to Canyon as she went down to the top of the Canyon and As she started to go down in the canyon she felt a trauma. The that's why when you said in your story where she felt like a sharp felt a trauma so she was driving around the top in couldn't sear but she still felt like like this amazing trauma that she could only describe as Melanie's presence so instead of being discouraged courtesy. She decided to drive deeper into the Canyon because I looked around the top for written. Didn't see anything so she's like. Let's go deeper into the Canyon Sushi. Does she noticed when she got deeper into the canyon she noticed fresh tire tracks and instantly. She felt somehow they are involved in the case. This is really brave braver to do this. Her daughter got out and follow the tracks which lead to something strange in the Bush at a started moving towards saw so that it was a body a naked body wearing versing shoes. She called the. She looked around and realized that the landscape was exactly exactly what she had been seeing in her visions like a very specific Bush. Anna Hills in the background Kirby road she called the police and the police went off their processing at an autopsy revealed that the body in fact the one found in the Canyon by ETA Smith was Melanie. Rebate edit immediately became under suspicion. The police were are they just assume that she did it because she knew exactly where the way they took her into custody. They questioned her for Hours they gave her a polygraph test which she passed but they lied to her and told her that she failed. They figured maybe she didn't actually Redo the murder but maybe she knew someone who did or she heard Gossiping The neighborhood and she was too afraid to tell them who she heard it from. She was actually arrested and charged with the murder on my Annella your rebate and she was held for four days. Oh that's awful. I mean I can almost see whether coming from not that she did it but maybe she heard did it. And I mean if you heard who murdered somebody would obviously be afraid of the person who was a murderer right so I guess this would be one kind of roundabout way of making sure that the person was found but this is awful horrible. It was she was trying to help. And then this is what happened. Yeah Yeah that fucking sucks. Yeah the a check so she was pelter four days until the police heard from an informant that a man in his neighborhood was bragging about the murder piece of shit. Ah Yeah so the man so. The police arrested the man and he confessed any also incriminated. Two other men They were eventually arrested in. Charged with a melon rebates murder. So what happened was she was sitting eating at stop light on our way to work and they carjacked her and the kidnapped her an intricate the Canyon they robbed her raped her and beat her to death with with Iraq. Oh my God yeah and it was a twenty one year old a twenty year old and a seventeen year old God. Yeah and I'm not even GonNa Siblings. They're not don't worry about yes. I am fuck those guys. Yeah that's crazy when people are young and have that much hate in their in her. Yeah so melanie. Your Bay was thirty Melanie and she was divorced and she had an eight year. Old Son. Really truly Louis. That's so sad disgusting. And she was just on her way to work keep. Your door's locked seriously. Keep keep. Your door's locked is some someone gets you crop crosswalk. I am not embarrassed to lock my doors. Like visibly lock my doors. Not that we're saying that it's ever the person's fall were just saying be extra careful 'cause there's so many ship bags in this world. Exact note wasn't her all all. No I know I'm just saying that for clarification first strangers. Yeah remember to lock your doors. Doors could have been locked. They could off the head out a window where pointed a gun was a nurse. She was a mom like shoes. Obvious excusably great pleasing person. Awful when a loss. Yeah so was released. Did idea get this. She eventually sued the Burbank Police Department boom and she won she She wanted settlement for for being mischarging held without any evidence whatsoever. She said actually finding body is not a crime. And that's true you and that is a story of Me Bay and how Etta Louise Smith help solve her murder. I don't know if you'll know this. Did they ever did she ever or have any other psychic experiences I Dunno she's still alive or not. I didn't research I think this case. Yeah but she did go on to continue to help in other cases. Okay so she kept having visions. I render why this one kind of sparked her psychic ability. It's crazy always had visions it. Savak just bring back story that he had always had visions as a child but she never considered self a psychic and she never really used and they're you're probably on an obviously they were probably just about insignificant things that's why she probably was like. Oh whatever yeah so. She just knew the end to like every episode of friends and it just I actually. I'll put up a picture of her on instagram. She's a very interesting looking woman. When excited she has be most host thin of all pencil thin eyebrows? Oh very exciting very very interesting. Oh Man I'm still recovering from over plucking my eyebrows in high school. When I had three I think ed three eyebrow hairs Moore Brown? Yeah well that was a really good story. Yeah it was a great story. I really liked the psychic. You know I don't know what to expect this episode. I was pleasantly surprised you but I had to weed through a law like fake bullshit. Yeah I agree there. There's obviously a lot of psychics out there. That aren't really psychics. They're trying to people and taking advantage of people when they're grieving or looking for somebody or mourning. The death of a loved one is truly fucked but these women actually hope people yeah. They're amazing using women. I know I kind of wish. I had that gift within at the same time. I'm Kinda like a I'm good. Yeah I'm I'm I don't think I'm strong enough to bear that burden. Maybe that's why there are so few psychics because most people couldn't handle it. Yeah Yeah I think I would be like A. I don't know I don't think that'd be strong enough to handle that. I just drink more be. I would definitely drink more. And then I'd just be like the lady on the corner with a cardboard sign thing band is coming. Take me seriously so so this week instead of doing a raise the bar we're going to stick with our theme huma and Kassy's going to read my terrorists I dabble. I'm not professional but I I want my money back and I had this beautiful Tarot deck that is from the wild known. You can actually find them on instagram. And we'll post a picture on our instagram to tag. I like it out of control like it. When you're like high hi They want their cards read later. Tell us our awhile and known by Kim Crohn's and she has an instagram and I will including included in our post Yay okay It's a beautiful beautiful beautiful deck. Okay so I had to think of a question and hold it in my mind and you you need to hold it in your mind you can ask it out loud over and over if you feel comfortable okay while I chuckled. It's okay so we need to clear your mind and focus on your question. It is what you need to do for that. I'm going to do three. Pull Okay Three Card Paul. which is you usually past present future? Okay okay so this is my question I have been working on a writing project. Tiffany's a great writer. Don't this case. Stop saying that. Okay okay okay so hard to cut your compliments to me. Takes me like a full hour. So I've been working on writing project and I guess my question is because it can't be sir no is wear. Is this writing project. Going to lead me is good. Yes so I'm going to do past present present future subtle kind of like where it is in the password is right now in where it's GonNa go in future okay. Why haven't worked on it in a while? Is that going to affect any now. Okay I've been thinking about got it so think about it question in your mind in your mind or repeated outlaw. This ice and seriously scared right now. This is so scary hard and then I'm GonNa have you break the deck into three like like I'm GonNa have a panic attack for some reason. Okay break it's just GonNa be like skull-and-crossbone skull-and-crossbone it's not three break it into three guests and then put back into one okay. Are you ready. Ready South past present. What is that future? What is the Middle Middle Card? Oh God what is the Middle Card. Now it's it's eyeballs and worms as. Hey So oh shit is the past. The eight of swords is the present and the set of cups is a future okay. Okay if you saw. We're going to post a picture of these cards. Would you wanNA take a picture. The L. take a picture so we have the empress which is the only thing is this is a new deck sewing half to referred the buck referred to the buffs to. That is what I am doing. So the past is the empress and that the first creation Russian nature in the mother. That's so weird. It makes sense. Read it sure. The empress is the mother or the goddess of the Tara Her energy encompasses all that is warm fertile creative and essential in the world do her strength comes from being being gentle and compassionate and loving without buying when this card appears it is pointing to either a maternal relationship in your life or this side of yourself that wants to love more. The empress also suggests it's time for you to reconnect with nature. Go sight tonight and and find the Moon ooh naked. Okay okay so you can just basically apply that to your past. Maybe you need to give yourself a little bit more love on working or give yourself a little bit more grace. When you've been working on this in the past okay or maybe loved the idea of you started or give you know you can? It's open into interpretation okay. Now what's the middle scary card. This is the president. Is this sword's Mike. God In this one I think eight of swords if account directly now. I think it's nine nine. It is okay. Oh okay. Oh God dark irk visions anguish and extremely dark card. The nine swords reveals the deepest shadows of the cells just indicates insomnia nightmares and worries in the midnight hour often. These states are accompanied by guilt. Don't despair or even depression. You'll be battling with yourself so turn to others for help find joy in unreach- oh okay okay. I'm just GonNa say this that. That's actually very applicable to What I've been working on because it's about like personal things that could hurt other people's feelings does that that makes sense Okay so the anguish thing I kind of I mean it makes sense. This is freaky so maybe maybe just apply that to who you're working through right now. Maybe that kind of why you put a pin in it. Yes literally put a sword in his because it's like prime. It's you know personal so I don't know how people would react if that was just out there. Yeah this is so freaky done to love it okay. So that was his gary. You're win in his son. God it's not that one for the future this set of cups. I think what you've been wrestling with. You said you stopped working on it and yes and maybe this is exactly exactly what you've been yes. So retail finds enjoy. Maybe talk to someone about it in. Yeah okay so you should continue. Oh my gosh okay I mean we sometimes when you put yourself out there you feel the most vulnerable but also it's the most freeing feeling that's true okay so son of Cups now. Are you ready kind of tax artistic and introspective like all of the cups family. The son truly excels within the arts. He usually a musician or visual artist. Artist of some kind and he finds success within his field his natural tendency to look inward adds to his charm and and mystique the others may seem secretive and even peaceful well deep inside. He carries a dark kernel of intensity. WHOA that's a good one? Yeah I think that's a good sign for future right. That's even though one of the Kurds was scary. It was good Ed. You're really good doing Tarot cards like should you. Should this be your next I dabble. You're good I'M GONNA do. I was GONNA do my they say either on your birthday or on New Year's the year ahead my birthday. I didn't do Tehran. Migra day for myself. I am GonNa do record your findings endings. Okay so accent yours to like the next time we get together more than New Year. I can read your year ahead. Oh my gosh you are are so good at this. This is awesome. Okay all right that was. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. It was kind of like really excited for us. It was is really really fun and thank you so much for listening. Thank you thank you thank you we cannot thank you enough okay. And I think we'll end that with they. Don't don't forget to hydrate meditate. Masturbate cheers cheers to that
EP. 41 The Life & Afterlife of Ritchie Valens
"We interrupt his for a special news bulletin cabrillo seniors who sort of show business cards rock and roll trays or killed. It'll today in the crash of a light plane in iowa snow flurry. The singers were notified his teeth thousand seventeen puppy holly twenty-two gympie richardson known professionally as the i think father for your craft chartered from dwyer flying service christ there lincoln city ironically the setting for the prominent musical the music man the pilot roger peterson clear lake iowa what was also killed the things that appeared of the surf ballroom and clear like iowa last night and we're on the way to fargo north dakota those small charter plane crash the lonely farmyard five yard about fifteen miles northwest of basin city cause of the crash was due to inclement weather conditions details coming from action central the <hes> he was the brain child behind the ultimate teen love anthem of donna and the smash hit la bamba ritchie valens aka ricci valenzuela was the famous mexican american singer and songwriter of all time one of the forefathers of rock and roll and pioneer the jakarta rock movement but unfortunately balanced life came to an untimely end when balance along with famous rockers buddy holly the big bopper richardson were tragically killed in a horrific plane crash in fargo on february third nineteen fifty nine it was known as the dave music died tune in as we sit down and talk about the life and career of ritchie valens with bitcoin documentarian historian and even author her and head of the historical society of a coma crystal jackson tune in as she also gives us a little history lesson of the city of tacoma the paranormal a normal aftermath we take a deeper dive and look inside the permanent that ritchie valens received before his untimely death and we speak with crystal in regards to local urban legends connected to proclaim ah one of which includes gravity hill we traveled to iowa as we ventured through the surf ballroom room the last venue where ballons holly and the big bopper did their last show. What are the unexplainable activities that the staff and patrons i have experience within the ballroom and what lingers in the iowa airfield which was the site of the crash so join us guys as we head beyond the hollywood city limits and traveled to the san fernando valley join us we go back in time to the forties as we learn about the earlier life of ritchie valenzuela. Let's timewarp to the fifties as we take a ride down venus boulevard and then head on over to fillmore as we learn more about richie's career in music join us friends as we head to bitcoin and learn about the life and afterlife of ritchie valens <music> <music> side note. Please excuse the sound quality of our interview with crystal jackson we we are true crime enthusiasts. NPR nerds and not sound engineers and we do our very best to improve the sound quality of our interviews so in other words donut donut us now. Let's get holly weird. Hey guys hello welcome to hollywood paranormal news hello if you're new to hollywood paranormal and the world of podcasting because i know that we have some new listeners <hes> we are hollywood true crime and paranormal podcast where we talk about out hollywood true crime and its paranormal association along with anything that's weird and mysterious about hollywood in its outside areas of course and also things. We like to eat of course that to take you to a list of them real. Oh yeah it would take up the whole episode much much there you go and if you're just joining us for the twentieth ten fifth eightieth time guys welcome. We miss you all. Will you holly weirdo. Oggi's lors my name is tammy merhab traumas e hombres mitchell william and welcome so this season <hes> we wanted to focus more unpopular figures from l. a. and also popular groups which will kind of bring up later on this episode <hes> but we wanted to bring light a few neighborhoods that make up this crazy at amazing city of LA <hes> and boyle heights we see you. You're going to be getting your episode pretty sued food. <hes> another one is persona. Oh god you mean. I mean cuevas. I feel like it is our civic duty to spread the word on how to pronounce now the coin mccoy my guys and i'm white so i if i can do it so can so can you brice before we were episode was playing this video for me and the individual that was narrating could not pronounce it at all. I heard persona. What was that. I can't remember the bad one aucoin mia yeah. Oh yeah the last free. I get look when you move here to. LA from indiana i don't where employment reference from <hes> every even like lightly hispanic sounding word is terrifying the joola last scenic like they all just look like a foreign language and you don't you're talking about and everyone's putting the word the in front of the freeway names and it's very intimidating and then you've been here for ten years in our super bridge aided and it is second nature to you and you like making fun of people who are new we price into william's story well we got you covered employment gotcha procurement representing so we are so excited to be bringing you this episode because we wanted to focus on another musical figure this time in that is is ritchie vallon who's one of the four fathers of rock and roll and a pioneer of chicano rock but most of all he is became a son son and while researching the late musician ritchie valens we wanted to know more about the singer and his music and his community which is so important uh-huh and it's a community that to this very day still celebrates his music and his life and so i started to research his birthplace of quemoy and learned through historical society of bequem a website that barack obama is not just a dot in the san fernando valley. It's a city rich with history culture community art and this is just my take a antonio tacos and kebabs just saying my husband tonight did seek libya last year. We stopped and got some cockles. Doc goes over there and it was taco sounds so good. I know tacos men men with all my roommates. It's just got married last weekend because we were discussing on the way in and they had for their dinner a complete tangent <hes> a taco bar an i had so oh many tacos. I'd like ten tacos roughly. That sounds about right yeah. It was so brutal. I was so full but then you dance it off so it was a it's forty minutes later. I wanted more tacos the best wedding food new tacos. We're such good wedding food now. They're good for any occasion literally. I never don't wanna talk. There's never a time you know in good in tackles point in order to learn more about ritchie valens. We needed to get to no more about ritchie valens. Of course we need to know more about his community in his neighborhood has support system and bitcoin in its own right so in order order to do that we reached out to someone who not only grew up in proclaim ah but whose family grew up with ritchie valenzuela and that is crystal jackson who elites the historical society of a coma and last weekend i had the pleasure an opportunity to sit down with her over the phone and interview her for and just pretty much talk about her hometown of mccoy mma and the life and tragedy of ritchie valens so here it is here's our interview with crystal jackson and a brief history on coma he guys sitting down with crystal jackson who is the head point person of the historical historical society of bitcoin and author in her own rate and also documentarian so crystal have you on the line <hes> welcome to hollywood paranormal normal and just tell us about yourself in <hes> your duties as a you know organizing the historical society of a coma and other projects patrick's. You've been doing and have done in the past. Well i started off. I doing a film called climate story gland of green and it was a documentary documented on the history of the fifteen hundred year history of the coin and that kind of started me off and i gathered a ton of grass and i i didn't want it to go to waste after the documentary so i ended up for me. You've on being the historical society and basically that's a digital library to help preserve the history of the and the surrounding area so i started that and then after i did the film i thought it would be easy to do book but to my chagrin. It was more difficult to do. A book i have a book is coming out within the next excu months. <hes> it's called called the entrance. I'm a story and it's like six hundred page history book with the story that i've come across breath and people that i've interviewed and i it. It's an exciting book store. You within itself is worthy of within south. That's how great some of the stories are in their. My editor was just saying that now excited. I mean richie balance. They did on him but there's there's the north that are worthy of that just by the nature of the story i mean i'm looking at the website and the collections of stories and also the icons and figures that make up a coma <hes>. I guess we can jump right into it with the history as well. I mean the history of a coma dates. It's back. I'm looking at this to four fifty. AD which is really interesting and it just keeps on going and going and growing <hes>. Can you a brief history the <hes> of <hes> starring from earlier period till i guess now well. It's difficult weekly. I'm gonna feed that had to. It'd be edited because issues with the book. Basically it started a like like you read it four fifty in <hes> <hes> <hes> with the tribes there the tribe indigenous to the san fernando valley seamy valley <hes> santa clarita valley and antelope valley valley so this was their territorial rain for all those years many years and so that tribe has a very interesting story as to what in the happing according to them they ultimately ended up getting <hes> their travel captain roggio area roadshow ended up getting a victim from his land from a former. US senator who moved to who <hes> who the valley and purchased the northern half of his down valley charles maclay and charles maclay <hes> was taking uh property zero jackson was granted ten acres of land in the city of san fernando and he <hes> pat great landed have natural water springs on land and charles maclay was suffering from around and he needed that he actually ended up <hes> formulating relating <hes>. I'm not saying i won't say fabricating ended up manipulating the system to get <hes> when he picked it off the way any go out on a winter night in november eighteen eighty. Five industry is eighty year old wife was sick and a road trip ended up happening carry his wife. The san fernando mission and ultimately died of pneumonia gumbo. Yeah it was it was a real traffic story and in the herald you know they people wrote about it. There was like kind of story people accounting for what happened and they thought it was horrible but the could not do a white man in those days and and rocca was just basically so l. but but his story was interesting ended up living moving to government let lopez canyon and i'm actually meant to be one hundred so now charles mcrae of the other hand shortly after that in getting face cancer and died seven evans short years after that and <hes> and a host of other things ended up happening where that lies in the world is the no but it was very interesting story as to how everything but that's the start of the history and <hes> and then the town was purchased by another other gentlemen in eighteen eighteen eighty eight duet allen purchase cohen from their procurement became you know a town within itself and it missile town but he had a series of bad luck thing happened to have well to wet allen who wanted to talent it it was the first i walked in the fernando valley was acquired and he wanted to leave town he wanted everyone has been at least two thousand dollars on victorian owned with today <hes> amounts to four hundred thousand thousand home but <hes> he he had saw the but everything's basically filled a flood of eighteen ninety one wiped out the town of prior to the flood ladder fighter burke down allen's house but the interesting thing kind of happened in that that history deep oklahoma ultimately became agricultural <hes> by nineteen eighteen o seven it became agricultural town so cultural and then it was determined <hes> they wanted the minority section of pronounced valley <hes> they didn't want 'em non whites to live outside that area a few streets in north hollywood allowed minorities needs to purchase but the japanese the mexicans african-americans all ended up <hes> being limited in home imp appointment so that's where the the the interesting history starts in nineteen japanese game <hes> the early nineteen hundreds hundreds and they were farmer and had a great skill than manipulate not manipulate cultivating the land <hes> don't they have successes but then there was logged the napkin in nineteen thirteen and nineteen twenty to limit what the japanese the land ownership and they did all this stuff to suppress the japanese success asked him to tell and then <hes> mexicans that that migrated over from mexico over buying houses and <hes> they actually a lot of them farmland. We'll rent section where and then in nineteen fifty <hes> they want it that it was right after the after world war two they needed a place because african americans because panelists had a shortage of housing and african americans were only allowed to insert elect areas in los angeles one of them being what the one was tantamount to south central los angeles <hes> there weren't allowed to buy either so they opened it up so the GI loaned <music> him proclaim. I saw an influx of african americans came and from there the story just glows with the number number of people that just did amazing amazing things and like i said within themselves are are short of jaw job dropping in the book it might come across all these stories i mean they're responsible in the sixty tracks starting the pan african studies departments and chicano studies department that the UCLA campus account state northridge ca country yeah <hes> they started out with the incident that happened in nineteen in sixty eight with the actually the black student union actually took the administration and it was a big deal. It involved governor reagan at the time and you know it very interesting story. They ended up being called valley state nineteen. They ended up being caught by the charles. How's manson prosecutor. Oh yeah they were sentenced to the the most consequential so in in the country for college activists. They got the worst did they all went to jail lost. <hes> lost their credits their ability go back to campus and the good of that came even despite what happened to those individuals <hes> the department of panicking studies now it's called african of studies and <hes> the chicano studies and other ethnic studies working and the UP appear opportunity program grew so because of that sacrifice the college campuses in the country benefited today result. I mean i mean out of the dark. A lot of this light that really you know helped improve. You know these studies in these departments. <hes> you know at these colleges and universities so mainly absolutely they got more professors that were color you know of all nationalities and just a lotta love. It was a difficult thing and i actually interviewed one of the people that was actually involved in that incident and it was horrible but and i'm and they know the story that exaggerated the press against the despite all of that it doesn't regret <hes> helping achieve people of color being able to have more college <hes> these sources and that was one of thirty two out of an acquaintance and all the other great people that came out appointment. I mean we literally had <music> listing of glyphosate snapped and i hope i don't forget any raft right now. We have to congress people. We have a california secretary of state. Your family person thought political history in is pretty. <hes> congress was tony cardenas. We have <hes> congresswoman barbara unle who has actually right now from open but she went through san fernando high school. You know secretary the <hes> and then we have simply woman lose so we know we have a nice <hes> you know a nice in path to what all the act early activism appointment but in addition to the politician this pair. I mean <hes> i been trophy winners. We have world champion boxers cohn and and they needed to your kids and and his sister lily rodriguez for the world champion boxer having the list is just so massive. We have movie directors and producers. Can you bear to back and <hes> girls trip. Is the mother films out there he he was born in a coma. We even have kurt curve would never admit it the baseball in junior high jaw-dropping. Ah is a phrase that we can use also teeth grinding. I think could apply. I know my fury toward fellow white people seriously i i leave it to a white man offense believe it to a white man you think having so many disasters and tragedies here in especially in the state of california you almost think it it was you know built over thousands of thousands of acres of ancient indian burial ground. That's really frustrating to hear those stories because like in some ways they're so far far-removed like right like i've never done those things but like it's not that far back when you start looking at the actual time line the way hey that we're taught <hes> here. It is shot to pam because here i go do a real real rant. We're taught this sort of like especially the civil rights movement as like ancient ancient history and it's like no that's like a generation removed and like you start thinking about like the way that native americans retreated and that's like three generations removed and start talking about slavery and in this country and that's like four like it's so silly because we talk about it like it's happened so long ago. I can't me get over this. It's like we're not over it. We're not our grandparents. Were dealing with these atrocious. Things like yeah. We've come a long way but not far enough to be like gag. Get over like it just baffled me so like as she was telling me like stories. It's just so disheartening. What a gross history. We have what an amazing history too because like exactly like you said these things that rose up out of it are so inspiring and amazing. God dan the things that it took hook till i get to those points. Maybe we needed to get to those points to you know as a community stand together you know when my also are you like how much higher it can. They soared had like white people not stolen from them but like true absolutely. I mean like she said you know in the sixties. We had those two departments apartments. Instead like people fought for african american cities and chicano studies and i mean just saying it. This town was built by immigrants literally. I mean it's just so i'll from everywhere we have mexican americans african americans korean americans japanese and chinese americans because those newsworthy ones that actually helped us with the railroad just just saying we had the dutch can't forget them. We had we had. I mean really is everyone amalgam of like aac culture and you know <hes> yeah. It's very frustrating so i yeah you you've said as i was listening. I'm just sitting in a row so frustrating to hear those parts parts of our history but then like the things that come out of them phoenix writing at rising out of his ashes and all those like representatives that she was mentioning so little blue sports figures and of course we cannot forget became a son richie balance that also and so so that was a brief history epoch waimea and the stellar figures that came out of that little town mccoy mma in itself is diverse little city not to mention even in the early nineteen hundreds. The first african american restaurant was established their lease restaurant so we're going to jump ahead guys and we're going to explore more of the life and afterlife of ritchie valens of course so you know how do guys we will. I go over richie's early life. His career and price will cover february third nineteen fifty nine the tragic day when the music died when three of rock 'n roll's important figures balance buddy holly and big bopper richardson perished in a tragic plane gene crash then the moment you all been wondering. Is there a paranormal association. We'll go over richie's premonition and the conspiracy theories of the horrific plane crash and are there richie alan ghosts what the workers of the surf ballroom has reported after seeing <hes> <hes> they feel are apparitions along with what people have reported seeing over the field which was the site of the crash and crystal jackson and we'll also deliver some of the comas local legends. One in particular is gravity hill so in order to begin guys. We need to go back. We we need to go back to bitcoin in nineteen forty one so fallon's was born richard stephen balance wella on may thirteenth of nineteen forty one in procurement california his parents joseph steven valenzuela and concepcion gutierrez were mexico so he was the second of five siblings things with older brother bob morales younger sisters connie and irma and younger brother mario maria ramirez and richie was brought up hearing traditional mexican mexican mariachi music followed by some flamenco guitar or and be in some jump loose and richie expressed an interest in making music of his own by the age of five live and he was encouraged by his father to take up and learn the guitar and trumpet and then later rich even taught himself how to play the drums. The richie richie was left handed. He was so eager to learn to play the guitar and master it traditionally right handed which is very impressive so by the time richie was attending junior in your high school he would bring his guitar to school and seeing in play songs to his friends on the bleachers saying when he was sixteen years old he was invited to join a local band called the silhouettes john and this is not the group famous for the hit song get a job but he began as a guitarist and when the main vocalist left the group richie assumed the position so in october nineteenth eighteenth of nineteen fifty seven he made his performing debut with the silhouettes and he was getting so much recognition from it and people were just just like going crazy over him. So by this time everyone knew of his musical talents and everyone knew of his fear you see richie. We had a fear of flying and had fear of planes. The interesting thing about his story was richie's fear of flying and richie's fear of planes that was actually brought on by a premonition. Yes ritchie new deep down inside flying in a plane would be his final destination. Uh crystal explains it all here along with all the other details of his life and career so let's jump into it experience in the information for my parents my father on the street as richard alan the my mother and around the different you know when they were younger and they actually granted graduated the year before he was scheduled to graduate but came and played at her in their grat pop. He always looked around with his guitar and he came in <hes> they were friends. They all they all hung out and yeah any any always talked about 'bout he was afraid of plane and the reason he was afraid was because not long not far from the homes with whitening airport at that time was called whiteman air park but it was <hes> right across the way and there was a lot of little things that we're pretty intimidating so they'll tell you we live <hes> <hes> with my mom we live right across the street for a while from the airport and as one thing for us of kids she used to let the planes like over our heads she stopped the car when she saw playing with coming in the plane fly over but there was a lot of low small craft small aircraft but there was a lot there and that's what <music> told frightening i was told and <hes> i interviewed another lady named irene and went to school with them from elementary all the way to back and she said he always talked about he and my claim told him what happened was in nineteen. Th <hes> epochal junior high was it's getting ready for graduation and <hes> he was at his grandma fragrances funeral and two aircraft crashed of affect the back down but the plane debris fell on equipment junior high in the neighbouring telera elementary and one rupee friends was injured right and and have a mission and this just exasperated everything is whole fear of i'm based on that that crash and it was it was a big it was a big deal at the time because it was actually <hes> air not air force but it was dilatory playing that was doing conducting some fairmont overpopulated areas and crashed with another plane mediator and should have never happened and the president got on involved. I believe it was. I wanna say roosevelt's. I could be wrong but the president got involved in. They actually had to go through a series of here as to why they're fighting over populated the area but you know still negate the fact that richie you know it really is the worst of anybody and of course working reading here that like eight children were killed in this accident and horrible. Actually it was eight people died. It was three reach children in the aircraft. People airmen yeah so it actually in in recipe seventy four order is got injured with no pretty man one of the ladies that was our car reggie said there how smelled like gasoline for days <music> get the smell out and i can imagine how how horrifying that would be because when she was in her house with windows crashing all around debris was flying she get a garter kid from doing pretty pretty violent place to live if you have a fear of planes and flying when when you're living close to a field in this happens i mean that poor was four kids and also poor rich you you know he's like anxiety driven at at this point with this accident in living next to this airfield this is this is crazy on in what a what a time to live in an the area to live in especially in this tragedy while right at the premonition and it made him not want i became <hes> a musician addition and he got he got discovered by king from delphi records and all of a sudden blew up like instantly. It seemed like he was on american bandstand. A fan didn't go he. He couldn't even go to high anymore because he was traveling and doing a step leading at the age of seventeen like he was like a musician by already about an ache only on the national scene for eight months. I look at the recognition in the seventeen year old that only been did healing in. I think it was one national thong. Risks didn't make the national charts but a lot of people know about but they still he didn't do <hes> a lot. You didn't have a long career but yet he's the most popular icon imp appointment komo triple margaret. You see i mean he their murals painted a of him all over you know certain areas of los the angeles and i'm sure from what i've seen pictures like especially in procurement they still. I am in his legacy of course <hes>. Let's talk about your your family members too like how was ricky growing up like what type of teenager he was. My man described him happy. She said he was a trumpy boy. Everybody love kim she literally. Nobody had a dislike ritchie. That was the expensive and my dad hung out with them. You know 'cause they'd hang up in my mom's garage and she just had nothing things she mentioned when they heard they knew it was going on tour and when they heard the plane crash she just like they just looked at each other. They didn't even know how to how to practice that information because he was so endeared to the entire community so you know they just said he was he was fun to be around and <hes> <hes> good things to say about everyone that that i interviewed and nothing but good things to say about him and his house is still still standing off of fillmore right the house there from still more from my my research. I didn't know the house on fillmore they actually the mom <hes> lost that house of losing that house and they need to gain streets and apparently that particular how psyching liking one family still own and actually have a living room set up as a shrine to richie does not give you goosebumps so crazy eh but isn't that sweet how people remembered him growing up as being this happy jolly and chevy chevy boy the fat that is his mom's love speaking about love. Let's move on to richie's for his levels. Come come out of this. <hes> world of premonitions rashes into a little bit of light rain here you see <hes> richie was in love and had i love brace. Don't you remember your first love off. Yes pizza. That's my only yes me was new kids on the block. Yeah joe mcintyre <hes> now. Oh another thing everyone knew about richie is that he was in love and he did have a i love and during high school richie meets a p y t this little pretty a young thing name donna ludwig and that girl will forever be the chorus and title of one of his most memorable songs key music uh-huh so in nineteen fifty seven richie and donna met at a garage party were ritchie was playing and it was love at first sight they were high school sweethearts and the dated for two years and then they end up breaking up because of rumors that you know donna's dad didn't approve richie men. I heard other stories that they just mutually sleep broke up but that didn't stop the both of them from still continuing a friendship and also communicating with one another ritchie would write to her every single single day while he was on tour and call her to sing to her and he also wrote the hit romantic song donna now in an interview donna ludwig fox did with ritchie valens dot com. She shares her little story. Ritchie was my first true love in my first experience losing losing someone i loved richie was truly a really good guy kind and polite. He liked to dress well and always look good. I still remember his aftershave old spice. Vice richie spoke often about his family and he wanted to buy his home and richie's. Mom and i grew very very close. She made me feel like family and she even taught me how to cook ritchie's favorite foods that malays malul and enchiladas. I'm wondering who is traveling right girls. When your mom's cooking not you don't worry about the way right now so ritchie's family has also influenced me and my family by showing me that with love and support a family nothing is is to difficult and they are a true blessing to me and my family. Donna was actually a really good comfort to richie's mom and sisters. After ritchie's death and donna has attended the winter dance party concert for the last several years as a special guest and her graciousness to richie's fans and support of riches families still continues to show the bond that was created almost sixty years ago which is really really sweet so sorry and if you go on richie balance dot com you can see pictures of her what she look like she was a beautiful young blonde blue eyed and there's pictures of her lake after that tragic day sitting in his room with all of his guitars guitars playing the forty five donna. I mean you could tell like she was really really distraught. In i mean you could tally in the pictures like it. Just it told a story now moving forward to his stardom as crystal jackson's drive in the last interview right there bob king the owner and president of small record label delphi records in hollywood was given a tip in may in one thousand nine hundred thirty eight by san fernando high school student doug macchia a buddy young performer performer from pajama named richard valenzuela kids knew the performer as the little richard of san fernando now swayed by the little richard comparison heen went to see valenzuela play saturday morning matinee and a movie theater in san fernando and impressed by the performance invited ritchie to audition at his home home in silver lake which is a little area of los angeles where he had a small recording studio in his basement so after his first audition keane instantly lee signed richie to delphi on may twenty seventh of nineteen fifty-eight at this point the musician took the name richie because as keane said there were a bunch a bunch of richard's around at the time and i wanted to be different i wanted him to be different and similarly keen recommended shortening his turning to balance from imbalanced squirrel la to widen his appeal beyond any obvious ethnic group as crystal describes in our next interview. Which i i mean this was the fifties of course but i feel like that's still echoed today to look at it. Like selena for examples lena campania or selena los dinos is just us now selena you know but still it's still echoes that to this day after self-rule songwriting and demonstration recording sessions with keen in his basement studio king decided decided that richie was ready to enter the studio with a full band backing him so the first songs recorded in studio were come on. Let's go valance next. Record was double e. Decide the final record to be released in his lifetime and it had the song donna which was coupled with la bamba it sold over one million copies season was awarded a gold disc so by autumn of nineteen fifty eight the demands of balance career folks tend to drop out of high school and keen booked appearances appearances at venues across the US in an performances on television programs so balance had that fear of flying due to the freak accident at his junior high and he eventually sleep overcomes his fear flying when keane tells him you need to travel all over the US to promote you have to do it so he ends up flying lying. He ends up traveling to philadelphia to appear on the dick clark's american bandstand television show on october six where he saying come on. Let's go and then he travels <music> all over the states performing and by december twenty seventh he returned to philly again to appear on american bandstand another time but this this time he's performing his hit tune. Donna and early nineteen fifty nine balance was traveling the mid west on multiple act rock and roll toward worked up the winter dance party accompanying him were buddy holly dion and the belmont g p the big bopper richardson and frank shadow it was going to be the biggest tour to date and unfortunately it would be his last so you have the receipts on crash so basically this tower war was like a nightmare so they're driving around on like a basically a slightly elevated abated school bus all over the midwest in february like you honestly i can't think of a worse fee and we've talked about this in other episodes specifically the judy garland episode the jayne mansfield episode any episode of anyone who's famous <hes> but being famous at this time was really like a double edged sword kind of like a slave to your own fame and this is like once again no exception so basically they did d- eleven stops in ten days and it was the first eleven stops a thirty two stop tour so a third of the way through and and you know there's like this map on one of the documentaries that i was watching and it shows like where like stop one-stop to stop three and stop one in three three would be like thirty miles apart and stop four or like stop to would be four hundred miles away so they would be like on in the february like dakota winter driving every single night to perform night after night so they were all super sick nick of course. It's a nice healthy. I give twenty dig out use sauce by on the bus like sign. You're getting frost by from traveling to perform like these. These shows are nationally. No no especially in a vehicle. Come on yeah like get them a nicer bus god forbid so it's like this weird thing these huge names i mean at the time especially if you really look at where the history of rock and roll was these. These are three like monumental names. They're all pretty young obviously like <hes>. JP richardson was the oldest who's twenty eight like he's the old soul on the tour and and then buddy holly's twenty two and ritchie valent twenty one and twenty two and ritchie valens is seventeen so like these very like powerhouse names l. this this is like not touring the time he's in the army like there's all these other like players in the rock and roll world who like aren't touring or producing using music at this time like this was it this literally was the only tour happening in the country or rock and roll which is insane to me by then you look at it and they're like dying in the midwestern tundra so essentially buddy holly notoriously did not. I don't want to do this tour but kind of needed the money essentially he was basically cash poor as all celebrities at this time were because the studios wouldn't pay them in cash missed but yeah especially him big bopper. Were i mean they were married. Bopper you know is expecting assignment. Actually buddy holly was as well at the time yeah so like they need air like on me. Yeah they're rich. They're famous and yet they're in school buds driving across cheese like the number like the bus breakdown they would get frost by. They were performing night after night. JP richardson is like super sic performing so <hes> the reason i even bringing any of that up is that ABM famous as like a nightmare be. They're all super thick and buddy. Holly is over it so after their performance in clear like iowa which was the eleventh stop on the tour he and his two bandmates <music> essentially like he charters private plane. He's like we can't keep doing this. <hes> we're gonna fly so that we can arrive the next. Stop early and get some rest like we're really sick. It's really cold. I can't be on that bus anymore so he and his two bandmates <hes> <hes> tommy up and weiland jennings of country music fame <hes> essentially book a plane to the next dominance like little puddle jumper unlike a four seater beechcraft bonanza which is like when you see pictures of me like ken four people in that clown car of a plane so so tiny i've got in the backseat like way or on the back tail so they essentially book this and then everyone else is gonna like bus us and meet them and they're going to try and get some rest and what ends up happening is that <hes> y lynn jennings means waylon jennings however you wanna say it he kind of out of the kindness tells <hes> JP richardson you should take my see you're so sick sick i mean he was really really sick perform and come off sagely pass out and so <hes> at the clearly our show it's a fifteen hundred a person show which is mind blowing where all these people coming from but they were like dry and driving from everywhere it says like this huge midwestern tour of like thousand or more person venues every night which is insane so JP richardson's now on the plane and the guitarist tommy comey also essentially allegedly does a coin toss with ritchie valens and ritchie valens then takes his on the plane so now instead of buddy holly and his guitar like who he initially bought it and he lake notoriously was making fun of them was like oh year idiots you shouldn't have given your seats up like good luck on the bus and <hes> so now it's ritchie valentine's j p richardson buddy holly and the pilot <hes> <hes> somewhere on this page roger peterson the four of them are now flying out of fargo to the next stop and essentially actually there was a weather advisory but because of the time it was like twelve fifty nine hundred fifty five they don't hear the pilot doesn't hear it and the so essentially they all get to the flight the tour manager drop them off kind of like wishes them well and and then within five miles of white like roughly five minutes the plane crashes and is immediately decimated the impact is like on frozen ground and they're all instantly killed and so essentially the i know it's so it's just so so quick and tragic and yeah and after the crash like it took how long for people to finally find them so on one of the interviews is watching the tour manager he was like a a he would do like interviews and he like interrupted the interview view that he was doing promoting the tour read a newsprint bullets insane like a plane had crashed outside of fargo it doesn't even cross his mind and continues on with the tour promotion and it was after that interview that they're like this that you just read and he's like no. That's not them and it was like no. It's it study and richie and j. p. and like he didn't even know and then like because of again the sort of like little little care that the studios took with the lives and sort of courtesy of the stars in their family. The family members knbr start finding out because the news is reporting. They didn't even get a phone call or like were no. That's not true that's not true and it's like being reported on the news so like all of ritchie mountains family finds out from like friends or from the radio station. None of them were like called and hold so it's like this like weird. Piecing together of like is it true. Is it not true. It was like the worst away it could have been handled and on top of all of that they continue the tour which like blows my mind so wiling jennings basically has to take over for buddy holly and like other players the tour fill in and are like being low key forced to sing the songs of like their three friends and like in the interviews they all talk about it like they couldn't like the three best people on that tour were killed like they were the nicest the most talented they were like the brightest stars and then we were being forced to like go on with the tour and go on dress up put on a show face and you know just seeing the tune and there they were just like. Are you serious for twenty twenty more show well. The show must go on but the opening groups of these shows like the whole die yet so then you know it sort of this weird thing i kind of briefly mentioned it but it's sort of weird lol in rock and roll history because all of these like a the three arguably biggest based rock and roll stars at the time are now dead. <hes> elvis is in the army and when he gets back out of the army his career sort of like tanks we we kind of enter into like vegas era elvis which you know no judgments <hes> you've got people. Who are you know. Jerry lewis is embroiled in scandal for marrying his minor cousin minor aged cousin. Excuse me so it's like these big names in the rock and roll world. There's this lead almost host and there's no sort of recollection or memory. It's like everyone forgets that these three men existed that their music existed did and then in the wake of that the beetles come sorry getting some light music history and it that takes over like the UK invasion in completely circumvent and sixties right there and this huge wave there was like this void of rock and roll the beetles come in it's this new era and it literally. He is like these bygone decades where like the three arguably most contributing members to early rock and roll are nearly forgotten and and then flash forward and <hes> don mclean rates american pie in nineteen seventy-one based on the tragedy of of the plane crash which had not time those two ish decades named the dame's dies and he writes in it sort of creates dates this revival guys still now now benefiting from yes where people were like oh right like their their songs live on like like it was because of his song it almost like jarred people awake <unk> like these three men were like such young bright star that were snuffed out and it sort of created the renaissance of their music and you know following their induction into the hall of fame and i don't know just such i find that so weird it's like not only was the plane crash so devastating and like quick and tragic and weird that they all three ended up on the plane. It was was like everyone forgot about it for twenty years and we're like oh here. Oh these were the three four mothers of racquetball. I don't know i just it's so true. I mean even in his lyric of <hes> don mclean song you my favorite verse in that song as <hes>. Those boys got the last train to the coast. It was the father the son and the holy ghost father being big bopper. The son richie balance fully goes his buddy holly that whole cores that line gives me goosebumps to this very day but you're so right i mean it's kind of like they were here and then they were forgotten and then all of a sudden it took like a musician to show these people that these other musicians suggested yeah and then of course there's the movies you see. Oh yeah allen's movie which we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about but real quickly what i wanted to touch such is the conspiracies of the garage yard does talk about lake the semi verifiable no of course because those are facts the need to be like you know told let's talk about some conspiracies because it just seems like even though these men were forgotten trash wasn't forgotten right. It was still a cold case so there are a lot of conspiracy theories that are attached to this tragedy which i felt really bad for whoever is connected to who these three individuals it's like you can't let these poured hillman rest in peace so conspiracy theorists at its best discovered a silver bullet theory. I don't know have have you heard of this one so the silver bullet theory is this buddy holly gets into an argument with the pilot roger orson and holly has a gun because he's from texas and everyone texas has a gun and he confirmed shoots peterson and possibly the big bopper so so this theory grew into a tall tale because a few weeks after the crash and the owner of the field where the plane crash found the gun so he finds his gun he turns it it into the police and then they discover that it's holly's gun they turn it into an investigator but before the investigator touches it <hes> this later discovered the gun had been fired twice so they're all these theories oh so was it fired while they were in the air like what happened and and it turned out that the sheriffs that had the gun in the first place after he was turned in had used it for like i guess shooting practice sure forensic physical evidence be named but rumors were still coming out of the woodwork since one thousand nine hundred eighty nine that the big bopper survived the initial impact of the crash and tried to run out for help skeptics of the official conclusion say that <hes> all victims died on impact but richardson's since bahati was the only one found a significant distance from the wreckage because his body was found about forty feet away from the crash so another rumor was the bopper had suffered a gunshot wound and was trying to run for help but died due to the wound and the you know the forces of like the weather uh-huh so in two thousand and seven it took the big bopper son to do a special to debunk this rumer so he hires dr bill bass founder of the university of tennessee anthropological research facility and they investigate the rumors by exhuming oh <music> his father's body no so bass concluded by examining xrays of the body that there was no evidence of gunshot wounds and that the boppers massive injuries made it impossible impossible for him to have moved his own body yeah so in this interview. He states like i'm looking at the x. Rays and this poor poor man endure two hundred fractures from his like the top of his calls all away to his toes. Yes so there's no way that he he could've survived this crash. In second there is no gunshot wound and it was sad because like what was so morbid but yet bittersweet is you can find this video on youtube. Is you see big bopper son like meeting his dad for the first time in this coffin because he was born right after the anger hash so it's like you are seeing this happen this reunion between father and son and it's very bitter sweet because like you're thinking oh he's like he's gonna freak out. No he's just it. It was just a nice reunion you can see him like praying and saying something under his breath but according to dr bass like his body was miraculously oculus well preserved as well down so yeah you could find that video on youtube. Let's see another theory was that someone shot down the plane. Someone shot down the plane. Exactly someone shot down the plane. That was another theory that was like swimming around third. Theory was that buddy holly was flying the plane. He paid off the pilot and they were drinking and buddy. Holly was drinking and crashed the plane so that was another other theory but according to reports reports did conclude that the crash was caused by pilot roger peterson decision to fly in bad weather without appropriate instrument training which may have led him to misread engage in mistakenly fly the beech bonanza into the ground in a steep right bank. Now the report also notes that peterson was was not told just before takeoff that the weather conditions had worsened but in two thousand fifteen this case is still brought into light according according to guardian dot com in two thousand fifteen federal safety investigators have indicated that there are considering a request to re-examine the accident the request came from eljay kuna pilot who has made his own investigation into the crash and has approached the national transportation safety board's cold case unit urging them to take another look so kuhn believes that the finding of the civil aeronautics board in nineteen fifty nine that the accident was primarily really cause by pilot error amounts to an injustice for roger peterson the pilot so the flight expert is encouraging federal investigators to consider other factors that could help explain the disaster he points to a possible weight and balance in the craft peterson and holly upfront weighed about one hundred within sixty pounds each while valentine richardson were considerably a little heavier newly-installed flight instruments as well as possible commotion among the passenger shortly after takeoff is still an ongoing investigation interesting. Yes i wonder like what i mean. I guess you know in pursuit of the truth but like what does that proof. I guess then like he just wasn't at fault. Yes he felt that there was an injustice with the pilot like i'm a fellow pilot and i want to step into into light and defend roger because a lot of people were blaming the pilot. There were rumors that he was drunk. There was rumors that he wasn't well trained and there were rumors that he was that he should have known you know people were trying to figure out the cause of this crash and the blame. The pilot is interesting because like as we were learning about this yes i guess i just immediately jumped to the weather and i was like oh to sad that like he didn't get the memo that like the weather had like deteriorated raided. That's all. I never even crossed my mind that he was like at fault. I just consider him a fellow victim so i didn't i agree. There was in one of the interviews <hes> i'm the one guy was like i wouldn't have put them on the plane if he hadn't been capable pilot and i was like that's a weird sound like it's like this one off thing <hes>. Why is he put with that in there. That now makes more sense because this is like i think it was like in the eighties. This was filmed based on just the hairstyles alone <hes> but as i was watching it was like why did he say that like what is he even referencing <hes> so that doesn't make a lot of sense to like when i was like reading and watching eighteen in like looking at all the plane crash footage oh god he just didn't know about the weather wasn't like the guy that planning so tight biggest snowstorm and you know no. That was his fault but you have to understand to to be fair. This is nineteen. Fifty-nine aeronautics is still not as advanced as it is today name and the ways of communication back then were literally slow. They moved a glacial pace and they needed to get out. They wanted to leave and he was like okay. I guess like i guess might clear up all that makes you sad it. It does and at the end of the day that person also has family exactly remember like. I don't know that's really i think it's a combination of a lot of things the whether the weight of the plane the condition of the plane and also quite possibly yes he was most likely we still green you know piling. Twenty one was twenty one. He just got his leg. You know training and everything and this was advanced flying for him in my opinion and then look well. She's hard too because like there's this sort of thing i think that happens where as the only non famous member of the ee victims list. It's very easy to like point a finger into exile him. You know which i will give you three like stars died and this like nobody's fighting's wall condom like they're still a person dead in like and i give it typical emma because i went to this location and became off of mural avenue. It's off of one three four three three van nuys boulevard you can see the mural of ritchie valens buddy holly big bopper and they added on the highway roger peterson the added him there which i thought was really nice. He's on the memorial. At the last venue they performed a wonderful is like below them but it's all part of the same stats and like there's one in the actual field that he's a part of as well right. That was very very sweet. Now we can move forward with the hit film la bamba guys i mean i just want to commemorate us. I've been really fighting against indian matt this whole episode good for us. I would love to you're using. I want to thank you can sound so white. Oh i would be meowing. The whole time only only meows. We'll guys la. Bamba is a nineteen eighty-seven american biographical film written and directed by lewis says that follows the life and career of chicano on a rock singer of course ritchie valens the film stars lou diamond phillips as ritchie valens ise morales rosana soto elizabeth bene- and daniel we'll <hes> bonn zurich along with joe pantoliano so they'd film depicts the impact of balance career <hes> which he had on everyone's is lives especially that of his half brother bob morales his girlfriend donna ludwig and the rest of this family and in two thousand seventeen the film was selected for preservation in the US US national film registry by the library of commerce no by the library of congress as being culturally historically and steadily significance but once again hollywood has a way of not being a hundred percent accurate and here we go again. Cynthia explains explains it right here with the inaccuracies of the film in compared to the movie were the things that they got wrong and what were the things that they got right in tampa. 'cause i know that some people one thing i heard from a lot of individuals that you know of course lou diamond phillips up's tall glass of water handsome in his own right but he portrayed i mean they hired him to be you know to portray this icon and he was skinny and linking like like you said like ritchie valens was like bilton little chubby and so that was one of the things that they got a little a little incorrect but were there any other things that we got wrong about him and things that got right this lady. I interviewed eileen the school with him sheep that that he was nothing like they were. He was portrayed in the movie. I mean they obviously from the size and stuck but she didn't see reflected his jolly nick with a happy person he was and how we interacted with other people. She said that just didn't come in the film and then yeah another person who was in the silhouette with him. He's always posting how much he ate. Is la bamba that it wasn't richie. 'cause he plays the one that got him in a the band that he was able to be in and he said that is just a story didn't add up and then the miss of his brother my hair that <hes> <hes> brother was just like much not but they kinda played them out. You know somewhat of an alcoholic and kind of you know not so nice and i am jealous which perhaps there was some of that that might have been true but this wasn't an an accurate depiction of what into the other people know. There's a lot of things things just didn't jive and <hes> you know. I get people requesting for me. <hes> they wanna know more about the real richie and i find that interesting think of it makes me want to hillary just that i did from people the other talented you know the story as everyone else thought right now that we always talk about to hollywood they'll take a story and they just dissect it and then they'll give their own version of it and i had like like this feeling that even doing my research on on ritchie valance. I just felt like maybe they've got something wrong. Most likely they got something wrong in that film and and of course like going through some of the interviews you wet you had conducted with his close friends and even people the film <hes> <hes> it's at a different tale for your documentary your little mini documentary on bitcoin right that was the main man had to reach out to you. You you know get the details about their wanna. Make sure we get this race force about his life and who he was as a person right and that film did not really picked him accurately but you know but you can think interested in which would you make me. They dedicated a portion of five him last gear and i was at that jeremy my god the people that came out and and wanted to they couldn't get enough of information on richie. You know a friend of mine the author of his book the birth latino rocker. I'm she was there it out of all of her book because people are just going crazy for ritchie valentine. It was the forefather of rock and roll and not only that but he's also the forefather of chicano rock. He really put mexican americans mexican singers on the map where you have a voice you. Can you know break into this industry. The i'm sorry to say this but this almost whitewash industry and be mexican american and have a voice in senior songs which is so important and inspired so many other hispanic mexican american performers branched other genres of music as well which i found so fascinating in in my research as well other really sad part about that is culture was actually changed his last name. It's only one ten and and that's kind of hurtful that he could own a true mexican american. He has had to make people not know you know they're kind of <hes> <hes> downplay it. You know that kinda stabbed but you help them. You know catapulted to accept that he ended up being so there's good and bad in both of that aspect the lead to hollywood to had some percy's yeah i mean i get it unfortunately like things that are based on a true story are like editorialized. Aditorial is then narrated tobise to make up a word so like i think that's why we have documentaries. You know what i mean. I do get it people like oh. It wasn't like this or <music> this but at the end of the day if a movie is based on something then you know it's most likely going to be made for hollywood whereas right yeah. I don't wanna watch documentary doc memory that has false unease but they serve different purposes like the purpose that it serves definitely was like let his legend definitely von teach people about his music xay and i would never try and tell someone like well sorry that your family members movie didn't like satisfy your needs but like i think as a general viewing member of the public i don't. I need like movies to be one hundred percent accurate. That's why we have like other forms of reporting in documentation and that's a tough one like whenever something says like based on a true story stories like <hes>. Is it really yes but i'm happy to know that this film was directed by you know a latino with latinos about latino especially honestly in the eighties huge huge very huge show here are few facts that you guys probably didn't know about la bomba according to busby's dot com tom here a couple of little tidbits so the film did not use the original songs sung by ritchie valens instead the songs in the film were covered by the east. LA ah base beyond los lobos and well it stated in the film that steve ritchie's dad drunk himself to death the real stephen died from lifelong complications after coming into contact with mustard gas during the first world war and another fact is <hes> ritchie's. He's real life mother concept young reyaz appeared in the film during the families i party and then she ends passing away three months after the film's release <music> ritchie's real life sister connie lemos was onset when the infamous coin toss scene was filmed richie winds and wing tossed to fly alongside the big bopper and buddy holly she ends up crying uncontrollably and she throws herself at lou diamond phillips screaming. Why did you have to go. Why did you have to go and according to connie lemos the film provided closure for the valid swallow family they were finally able to accept and let go which is true because the family his family onset every single day of the shooting of the film and in even in <hes> interviews with lou diamond phillips he he was saying how the family call him richie. They wouldn't call him by his real name. They say ritchie and had come over here ritchie. Let's do this and it was a good way for them to have closure. You know 'cause they were so young and they didn't understand death when they're you know you know. Little babies only hurt their older older brother seventeen yeah. They're all all but one of his siblings are younger than him and that one day he's there in the next day. He's gone on and never see them again. So this brought a lot of closure. I got <hes> a few years ago. Bob ends up passing away. Bob morales so yeah now they've joined leaned with richie up in the big big heavens skies affair my yes. Hey abe who hey it's bryce williams and tammy merhab java we are from holly weird paranormal and we wanted to take a second to recommend some great other podcasts that that are available now on stitcher premium. If you're looking for some new true crime then check out true crime garage off the record the latest project from the guys of true crime garage hosts nick and the captain join them each week as they revisit some of the most haunting cases. They've covered to date. 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Let's get weird by boop boop boop boop keep that now we hit the paranormal aftermath guys very spooky so of course when we talk about a specific individual or place is their paranormal association so are there ritchie valens ghost and if so has his apparition made its way back to his hometown and here's what crystal jackson had to say. I was asking you. Have you heard anything of apparel association with. Maybe the house on fillmore <hes>. I'm sure a lot of our listeners would like to know is there rashid alan's alan's ghosts around the coin and i have some stories with that. I haven't heard anything personally. I mean i have other parador outdoor normal thing that has happened in revamp horses people they do the indians basically stories but i have not heard anything about any any paranoia with you balance but it wouldn't surprise me linen surprise you yeah. We were looking into other areas in iowa where they were him. The big bopper and and buddy holly had their last performance. There's some some stories right there but i we are not one hundred percent. There are related to redo balance but you did bring up a good point. Ain't that the premonition of of the crash and his death that was you know i mean we could paint it off as supernatural paranormal louis because you know he he felt it you know you you can't discount how you know how he just had this feeling <hes> that there was something about airplanes that he didn't mike you know he had the one instant but he didn't like planes before that happened that just kind of put icing on the cake and feels like a plane but he didn't like plain inquired of that but all but like a lot of us have kids dealt with the planes over at whiteman airport. We didn't think anything but it acted ritchie. Thank you know and he expressed that to all the trend so that allies found like really interesting instead he had that prevention. Go ahead of time dead company be going to happen with airplane. It's an NC sad because it ended up happening due to a coin toss with another musician when they're at the ballroom and they were supposed to fly to a different location and i guess free much his destiny like his life was from an end that night unfortunately so i the part about that was that i don't think he would have been done that had me half the flu he had been sick. They're dealing with broken down eaters in their busted and people think one person actually end up by you know they're in iowa and no you know and so it was him for miserable and i wonder if conditions would make them that bad with you really have an that coin cost and got on the plane you know because if he would have been in good health you know the situation was better. I have only needed jump back on the plane but the circumstances you've surrounding it. That actually got them to dave in it. It's a it's kinda eerie you know but he he and we're just gonna happen. You know just whatever cosmic forces working leading in that direction. I'm from way back when and he felt it talk it. Can you share with us. Maybe one of the biggest <hes> ghost stories that may circulate around appointment that you know that you can share with our listeners well. I mean a lot of people talk about gravity hill and there was a how have you ever heard of gravity hill. No i haven't okay gravity liberty hill. I went there as a teenager. Everybody bascom there and when you go to gravity hill you've put your car in neutral and the car up hill and it's the weirdest sensation and we've all done it and it's still it's still there and across from gravity. Hill is what they call hi new cemetery. He was a senator kerry help but there in eighteen seventy four they stopped bearing people there in nineteen thirty but there's still some weird phenomenal with that and there's another home there that people say they believe is haunted so there's there's some weird stuck acquainted the one one of the many things but the gravity hill dumping. If you ever want to go do a broadcaster matt and feel that the station of how your car gets cold backwards you know you go down to the bottom of the hill and the gravity pulls you up the hill when it's new it's the weirdest sensation and you can't even understand. How'd that happen. You know that's one of the biggest phenomenon dominant that it's been around forever ever weird then then there was another infant but actually there were some flooding rains and apparently their competence going down the hill and grounds that data from the rain and yeah the competence started arriving going down in their body parts later. We're only gosh yeah i had. I interviewed a lady that remember ember time that happens so i was like wow that's cool little story that we must beard weird. An interesting folk scope is exactly well. You know the the the problem is the talent that people say in you know the the news reporting and how awful is supposed to be you know but the other side that you can't even mountain you know you can't imagine all the great people that came came out of the early great story and just the things that that were done and nobody hears that they detail there was a drive by shooting blah blah and it's really sad because they're missing out on a lot of <hes> great stories great information <hes> i'm glad i'm able to dig up some of the way a lot more to be doug ed but convince some of them have some unsettled <hes> aura about them and i and i think a lot of it stems back from the from the indian story <hes> that's just my personal theory. I can't write about daphne. Not i believe there is an association nation especially with that tribe because you know i'm trying to research more on a location in beverly hills of benedict canyon in benedict canyon canyon was i wouldn't say with inhabited by specific try but it was kind of like a common ground of transportation roadways were different tribes. I would pass in and out of and you know this would be an association to that. Absolutely one hundred percent agree yeah piece of stories together. You know you just can't help but wonder you know you look at it and say nothing concrete to say that it's related to that but in the james the fact that wow yeah that all this happened. You know how did that appointment. How could they have created so many you the grammy and emmy and you know. NFL and make good major league baseball back hartman golden harlem globetrotter people. I mean we it is the list just on and on. I can't remember mark because there's so many authors and <hes> you know just just great stuff you know and if they they were compensated small area. That's supposed to be so bad. Definitely a mural euros are me yes and online and they're useful absolutely gorgeous yeah the main. The only complaint people say about anural. They're not all centered centrally located. You have to go to different you know boxed up this building or that building and they're not you know it's just not one place you can go and see them all but there were being you know you did this talent the murless talented and then you know the story that these pictures <music> out what you know what climate is all about well disorders that you're telling me gave me goosebumps. I mean you know it's not just a dog outside of los angeles. It's a big community. I'm charlie amazing to me it it. I've been working on <hes> <hes> twenty fifteen pretty much started and i know my jaw dropping to this day when i really analyze the story in a okay well how did happen on working people learn more about the history of at this time you know i the website by performance historic of the fatty whip out their minimum the book and the film story land of dreams. That's available online with stories dot com you and then the book will be coming out any month and that goes into a little bit to those stories the stories that are in the book and then a little bit more than that so those the two main things and then i'm building up <hes> more and more to make it more available. We'd have to buy me history day. Once a year where you can look at the exhibits learn a little bit more but you know we're growing growing little by little luliang. Your passion is just so amazing. It's so awesome and i mean that's so great that you're reading this book and it's you know it's almost ready to come out. We definitely wanna get a copy. I can't help but be excited about. It and i just wanted to keep pick. Keep going into that kind of the film to be a what you know because there's still much more detail and you know the reaction i get from the the followers was on facebook. Everyone that was from the town loves the town. You have a handful of people that have that experience but the overwhelming majority. I love the stories and that they're proud to have something to be proud of up to hear so much negative and i'm happy to bring up to people because i you know i. I was born there but i left the point. I left the valley you know while back and moved to northern california and that's when it hit me the whole time i lived there. I was in embarrassment because people kind of looked at you like oh. You know your your lab. You know they they don't look at you when you said you trump appointment but once i moved away i would proud you know because nobody had heard of it one but i was proud and i put it with the starting in two thousand ten. That's that's my home camp alabama and that triggered me to actually do agree because i kind of know how to do the feeling town you you felt the community you know my and my great grandma used to walked down fillmore street to the only market and you felt like you were at home so you knew all the neighbors knew everyone relatives on every injury. Don't just you know the feeling that might never have you know and i recognize that and i'm like i got to tell the story i gotta try to let people understand what the you know what disagree about appointment in solid bound and luckily you know the pope and continue it so that everyone everyone understand what real history like the history was trying to be hidden to me for a while to find. It was not an easy. It wasn't like you go to find out everything about it was hard. He would find out anything all buried three motivating to keep on keep the story we're going to do that. It's out there and it's research people that you know that the information is accurate history. That's that's what i'm looking for it. Because so much of the information i come across on accurate you know including me. Now i can start back from the name of the meaning of aucoin they did for years that rushing water tori and that was mainly because they're trying to buyers that the land you know have a lot of water. They didn't have water issue 'cause backward culture but the truth was emit the the entrance then that's why i partially why named the book the entrance because that's the name appointment means in the tatami language i mean on the entrance and so you know it's just finding out the truth and that truth wasn't that easy to come across either. You know they've got lucky. I came across and they they clarify a lot of things and it's pretty because but you know it's a lot of words nothing my brain it on overload because it's a little bit of information from you. The kind of my i gotta be able to it doesn't merge together. We'll be he so much for chatting with us and we'll definitely get in touch with soon and -gratulations nations <music> <music> all right so there's really no confirmation on an appreciation of achieve allen's or anything but she did give us some pretty juicy <unk> legends. I'm just so obsessed with this like real life. Less cellino champion of equipment like crystal you rock. I like her love of bitcoin so tangible and like <hes>. I love it so much it's like yeah. This city isn't like what the media tells you. It is exactly it's not like what you hear on the news. It's not like a bad part of valet like we've talked about this so many times at the end of the day l. as like all these cities that just grew so quickly and merged into this like monstrosity that is now almaza angeles but like they have the like individual histories and flavor and culture and the service to the kennedy and like i think love her early quest to preserve like i'm so touched by that we need people like you know and i don't mean to get on the tangent before i hit i head into like more stories of the paranormal aftermath. The one thing that really ticks me off is when people tell me there's no culture in los angeles. There is sorry not sorry. Here's let me let me walk. Here's my list <hes> number one what it was the real reason why you can't hear entertainment. Tehmina is what everybody comes every day for. It's what i am always caught in traffic because i'm being you know stuck behind a rental car with lost bursts. They all want to come and see the hollywood walk of fame. They want to see you know. We're pretty woman. Leshan all this up. That's one one of them is just like entertainment second trophic thus what you experience when you get out of. LAX after like how many hours traffic culture third is surfing we have surfing here in the OC steve NS and if you go to san jose learn the history of that. I can't stand people telling me. There's no color buck you. There is also like the mich- like if you <hes> do even like a little research into the history of the missions like yeah. It's fucking fascinating yeah l. A. would not be here without the missions and like their bloody bloody. History like is that to happen of like beauty and chaos woven into like this now southern california city sphere like zack culture and like let's talk about food good luck trying to get any produce anywhere else in the country in the quote often. We don't have an off month. You want good food you. You come here. Come here guys. There's good everywhere you go to little mexico. There's a bunch of places there you go to. We have a little tokyo aka japan. We have korea town. We have china town. We have little armenia. Hell even have a little ethiopia. Oh god i had that's only bring that up. I just had ethiopian food for the first time yeah on a date whoops <hes> mind-blowing miracle mile right yeah no happen though a guy like went to take by and it's all very like spiced and i breathed in as i was taking a by eight and the powder like went into my lungs and i spent the rest of the night like hacking up ohno needless to lean fingle yeah crush. What else do we have like little indian or deny. We have filipino town. I mean to my fellow filipino. Our listeners guys call me up. We'll have you know a dated. The jolly hallo hallo <hes> yes and how can we forget the biggest culture of them all die. You're yeah him. The los angeles dodgers shirt. I love this baseball team. Everyone loves the baseball team here. Bring back. That is a frigging culture vin scully volley. That man is part of that culture. The people that live here in the communities emigrants everyone there they make the city and this is why i love doing in this podcast because in some weird way i feel like it's like our love letter. This little haunted love letter to this weird crazy city that keeps us here. It's it's just like any city like if you look at it like priscilla saying if you look at what the news media over the portrayal tells you it just looks like this one one thing but if you do even just like a little bit of exploration you discover like such a rich tapestry like i don't know i i agree. We kind kind of bitch about it a lot but i do love this city. We love you l. A. and i get goosebumps every time ago on blueberry podcasting or hosting site where it up up to blueberry but every time i go on there are number one downloads come from california in US states in our number one downloads from US metro cities come out of los angeles and that to mean means the world and also no one likes talking about angelenos and listening to them as much as angeline sound like i get it i got it lists prices ohio buckeyes luck but it's because everyone in ohio fled to. LA so it's true it's true or the moon z. There's a reason why people come here and that is because it's the culture of folks. We have culture open a book. Go talk go to pa- coma there. You go also iraq iraq all right guys. Let's talk about some ghost guys. We got some a koi macos coming up soon because i have a little tidbit about gravity. He'll be first off in in relation to the crash. There's a show called dead famous so <hes> starts psychic and medium chris fleming and he had done an investigation shen at the surf ballroom in iowa so that was the location of the before the crash where they did their last concerts or ballroom. I love that it's still stand. It's still standing ending and every year they do a memoriam for them. They have a huge festival concert so according to their investigation in the ballroom plumbing and another psychic picked up on on an energy from what they believed to be ritchie valens according to them in the show they felt a warm presence and the sense of being under a spotlight and feeling that warmth of the spotlight they also heard footsteps and had seen shadow figures backstage by the green room. The green room is very interesting location because that's that's where all the musicians left their signatures on the wall and you can see buddy holly and ritchie signature on the wall workers who've worked in the surf ballroom have even mentioned that they could hear music even when the ballroom is closed on one gentleman in particular mentioned the story that he he was closing up and he heard music coming from the green room and when he went backstage it was like completely pitch black empty and dark so my theory on this is is that they do the winter dance party festival there. That's the festival that they bring donna <unk> ludwig fox the fans i think when you bring and those people the honor these three musicians it's like they're you know keeping their memories and also their spirits alive so you know this is the place that they're probably most familiar. You're with her and this is the last place where they were in front of fifteen hundred people. You know you know what i love too. Is i in almost every theater that i've ever worked in. I always try and like take a moment to myself to like say goodbye to the space <hes> mm-hmm because you never really know when you're going to be like acting again right. You never really know when you're going to be performing again and never really know when you're going to be in a space again and i and the two in particular ironically the theater that i worked at in indiana we did the buddy holly musical which is a really beautiful show oh yeah and it was such a special experience in general that gas was so lovely <hes> but i remember <hes> both at the academy ironically when i was there as is a company member after our showcase. I just went into the theater night. You know how you can like walk back through the back and then like kind of come out the theater theater. I just stood on the stage as opposed to the story. I promise <hes> and i just do it on the stage and kind of like thanked the space for the year i had had and i did that when when i was leaving indiana as well <hes> to the wagon wheel <hes> and there's this weird phenomenon for me that happens where where you really feel almost like a movie voiceover of like all the moments that have happened in that theater in the silence and you you really can like hear yourself saying and experiencing those lines and those moments that you had had on movies and so like to me you know i'm definitely a bit more skeptical or a wash if you will when it comes to the paranormal but whenever we talk about like hunted theater episode and when we talk about like this particular space makes so much sense to me that like people you know they always talk about like when we're in that space right here the music whether that means they're hearing the actual apparitions or just the energy of nostalgia or just the magic of performance itself self. I very much understand like what that feels like because i've experienced it like oh right like when you're in a space for the last time you really can like viscerally viscerally experience the past of the performance one hundred. I love that that like every year they celebrate celebrate that and here's the thing guys in this. This is my theory or theory. Actually why spaces like this hold energy theatres music halls why they seem to be haunted is because it's simple yup. The stage absorbs everything period. It absorbs every single emotion every single emotion from the musician. Listen the backup bands and the fans. That's a lot of energy there and that night that was a sold out show that was fifteen fifteen hundred people in that one space so you can imagine you know all the stress of the tour than being sick that all goes away when you're onstage stage and they played their hearts out and you know maybe some different universe apart of them revisits and a part. Tim comes back for that celebration that do every year which i find very beautiful now. Let's travel a few miles down to the site of the crash and that's clearly clearly so clearly residents report seeing this is what they report. They see a phantom plane in the area and ghostly lights are often seen in the field now jeff nicholas. Who is the former know who's the farmer that now owns the iowa field played site of the crash stated in an interview with debt famous that you can feel the significance and understanding of the musicians who died here. The field is identical to the night of the crash and you get a sense of what they felt. Moments before the crash nicholas also stated that they are times when he is working in the fields late at night that he feels a sense of anxiety zayed's followed by a sense of sadness paranormal investigators have traveled to the cornfield to conduct paranormal investigations with their spirit box six and they came up with a couple of astounding evidence through the spirit box sessions some that are pretty eerie and pretty remarkable so they collected voices through the spirit box that i what's spirit box so spirit box is a tool that they use to <hes> pretty much communicate with any energy or spirit rubies radio waves with words so catches those words and it communicates them out of the box yes so i don't know if you've seen paranormal <hes> shows but you kinda see them in one instance of their investigation where they have this little boy spots and spewing out all this white noise and then you hear these little words come out and it's catching all these radio frequencies. That's what a spirit box on it. So <hes> tom they've collected voices from that field saying the words music guitar concert holly crash and in cold so that is the paranormal association with those two locations now in reference reference to crystal jackson's <hes> local legends of victoria last weekend i went to proclaim a- and i traveled to gravity hill by keiko canyon alone for everyone bruins plundering ninety nine go there and i did try to find the place where you can pick them car. Neutral someone on the message board mentioned like it's a few you meters or a few feet away from this <hes> jewish cemetery <unk>. It's the entrance. It's right around there and i kept on you know putting in my car in neutral and kept on going backwards. I'm like among forward. I'm looking like an idiot compared to these cars that are traveling back and forth but i could not find it but but i will say this when i was around that canyon. I don't know if it's the elevation but i felt like my equilibrium was completely thrown off which is funny actually actually when you mentioned that earlier today at the first thing i thought it was that was how you were affected at the house. Yes s. like right away. You're like oh my. I'm like feeling really dizzy i. I wonder if that's like your tell for lack of a better word like your key into it. You know what i mean my intuition because it's like it's not like when i right when i walked into david's house so david towels for those who don't know <hes> david towse is in what we call the haunted house in beverly hills one hundred fifty feet away from the sharon tate motorist the location of where the murders occurred and what we believe is that his house sits sits on a geometric anomaly that attracts a lot of this energy from the canyon and possibly from the murder site so there is room in his basement where are people walk in and you can instantly feel dizzy and every time i walk in the room. It's like i get off and that was like exactly what happened to me. Um i felt really off when i was in that area and according to a story on on a message board through the historical society of acquaintances because crystal. It's amazing thing of asking people about local legends. There is one person that said yeah you know when i was young my my dad took me to gravity hill. He put his car neutral. We went uphill. We're supposed to go downhill but then i remember seeing these weird shadow figures by the jewish cemetery oh it's creepy little cemetery metairie but this wouldn't look a little creepy so yeah and then there's another one from the message board and for those who are tuning in from mccain is it old man goat or old man goes so there's a tale that a lot of these <hes> individuals stated that when they were growing up they remember seeing this the old man and he looked good goes and if you go to his front yard he'll come out screaming at you and i think he had a goat or he had goats and people would go over. There and i'm kinda messed with the goat's worn out yelling and screaming at you. Chase you down a hill. Yes i've read the harry potter books. Go on so i wanna know if it's the old man goat or old man ghost and let me know your tails guys email us at hully weird paranormal at shemale so that is our episode of life and afterlife of ritchie valens guys just to forewarn you. We are not professionals. You know we did our best to research and we reached out to crystal jackson so safe. You want a professional go crystal jackson obsessed with her book <hes> watcher documentary you can find it on historical site bitcoin dot. ORG there. It's a wonderful work of art what she's done with that documentary and i'm sure her book is going to be very amazing to watch out for that guys. 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