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Author Angeline Boulley Shares Her Journey Into Writing

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01:40 min | Last month

Author Angeline Boulley Shares Her Journey Into Writing

"When when did the fire lit knew that you wanted to kind of create your own stories. Well lois duncan came out with a book. When i was in high school. I think. I read it when i was a senior in high school and It was the main character was native. But she didn't know it. She was had a native mother and a non native father and she was adopted and Of course there were like all these sinister things that going on to and so. That was the first time i ever read a book where i was like. Wait that is a character like me. One parents native ones. Not you know wants one. Grandmother doesn't like the Dad and And i i remember reading that book and feeling like wait. I think i've been missing in everything. I've read up to this point and i hadn't realized until i read something that had character like me and then on the story had some had some issues with how natives were portrayed and i just remember thinking like that's not my lifted like this is a character that's like me but it's not my lived experience nor like my cousins so there was kind of that fought that i think you know i think i could tell a story and That was. I think where that spark really game from

Lois Duncan
"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

Teen Creeps

13:09 min | 1 year ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"So then. She so Lynn kind of steps in the moment. That Brad is like so authorize. Come and they're like ask. They're interviewing everybody authorities. It's the gym teacher. The Gym Teacher Teacher comes all fair for teacher. Comes is like trying to investigate investigation? Like he's like Then Brad's like since I'm not involved in this skeedaddle rate and everyone's like and he's already gone down. The road gone. I was like he stole. It was happening the booking easiest thing in the world to figure out. Oh my God you guys when land like weeks later is like the pieces together you know. She's like I knew that Dirk never stole it but I never thought to think lose stole it. I was like what the dumbest. Why are you just now questioning made in knows so it's also amazing that like then okay? So she has. She's like Okay Brad stolen so that means obviously Brad did it so that prove that. Dirk didn't steal like no like it was still in his bag. Like you've proved nothing. Yeah yeah she's just trying to be a little. Detective detected eventually come to the conclusion that nobody else did and should have so. That is certainly to her credit. Yes but it is very silly. That like that was so fucking obvious and like throughout this book. Paul's like coming back leaving coming back. I do like that. Lois Duncan did not waste any time with spending any time doing boring things. His she'd be like I couldn't wait until Paul came back. Paul's back yeah. Let's just skip over those couple of months. Yeah and like Oh member. She had flu. Oh but only not in a shitty way was like Oh these months dragged on because of this and this this and this happened we just didn't have to suffer through all those moments. Yeah and like then there like that whole chunk of like a month and a half. Share the flu yeah. She had the flu over crisis right after. She Paul Broke up for no reason so funny and then it just like sort of persisted but like if I mean it persisted so Paul's like back and forth back and forth. He's there drama he's gone. She misses him. How Far Away is school idea? They they drive all night but it's snowy mind Boston. Yeah I just immediately like I figure there in New England. Yeah sure yeah. I could see that. But he's spending way too much time going to high school functions in his hometown during his freshman year of college needs to be spending. Yes school he has been coming back much every weekend question. Yeah the end yeah. He's gone for a big chunk and then he comes back. No I think mostly skipping yeah. We're just skipping. They said that there was a thing every weekend but I think maybe he only came back for the for the Christmas dolls like he was going to the weekend. Parties wasn't going to hurting installs. The balls were like in one like and then we're going to have so many balls around Christmas and he was anyway. Yeah so yeah. He's going with Brenda every fucking day. Here's the thing I know. He's a nice guy and he loves Lynn but like I feel like he was getting all something Johnson from Brenda. Oh I don't know I know he's a nice guy. Just don't try to really do I do have a point though. No one in this universe ever has. That's correct no one in the storks. Yeah bring babies that's right and so no one's having sex they're not. I'm also worth noting. Is that Lynn? Is the most beautiful woman to have ever existed. Everyone else pales in comparison. She's so beautiful. That strangers look her and give like an approving nod. She is Grace Kelly. Yeah Yeah it's not even that strangers. Give her the approving nod the strangers. Look at her and go. Who is that and then someone else's like exactly who had she's the hottest is how it's put right because do you think that we've actually gotten out enough of the plot not to need to go through. Yeah I think so. I feel like at this point. Why she can't shut him and then now is just figuring. Yeah Yeah I think we've covered it and now she's just like all dunks. Not that much really happens while of emotion And Tom and the tone and this is like a thick like Strawberry Moose. It's just like a like Z. Curtain that kind of diffuses light And like makes the room kind of like yellowy COLOR SHIRT CASTS SHADOWS. Bakley like your friends. Yeah and it is beautiful and the as that. Look there's a there's a gramophone that plays like. Why do you suddenly? Up nope that's too late always late. It's a WHO that's like in the seventies so this Like Mister Sandman. A mobile lolly. Lolly we're like we watched with so we watched urban legends bloody Mary my gun for a Minnesota for the Patriots and they have a fake sixties sounding song that made me think of a real song. I was like this is a pretty good sound alike except that the singer is bad but now I can't remember what it was. Oh Yeah it's like I'll think of it anyway. It kind of reminded me of that Song Birds. It's not. Why do I say things? You don't have to say you love me. You just be close at hand. That's what that's like and so it was like hide that all of that's probably two later song as well anyway. It's it's Pleasantville. It's Pleasantville got it. It's it's funny. How nineteen fifty eight. Nineteen fifty-nine this book is like Yes. Because so much. Low Dunk is like the seventies revised for the late nineties. Yes and this is just like nope. I'm pre one thousand nine hundred sixty. No one believes in free love and having sex like these are kids. You don't relate to you at all few read this and had no idea what year was in. You would still know yes. Oh my God we. I wanted to talk really quickly about how terribly both dates that she went under. Don't want with Dirk on. Were like they were so bad they were. She was literally like so miserable. All she was thinking like i WanNa be home. I don't WanNA fucking be here. This sucks. He is hot but like that's not that's only takes you so far now. I love that the first date is actively bad bad actively bad and then the second date is just I want to get back to talking about the first date but that the second date is not actively bad. It's just like regular date bed where you're like. Oh I don't this is exciting. Yeah it's like. Oh there's no chemistry yeah also like there are the reasons why it's better kind of outside of. Dirks control to in that lake. He you know she's like really fucking torn up. Because I just saw like very special treasure hunt Debbie and. She's only on the date with him because she was trying to basically got back. Yeah and she also is like like so. She's sticking it to Paul. She's very sad. She's literally cried on the day. She Always been going nonstop and like it's another movie and she's my God. I've been so many fucking movies these past couple of days and they show up to this movie halfway through it. I could not believe what is I. Don't know too close to the screen nightmare. Nightmare hate sitting close nightmare. No no now. They're just going to these movies so they don't have to talk to each other like no one seems to have any interest in actually seeing the movie. Yeah just like veal. It's the same thing with it and it's like Your houses various small. So I don't know what we could possibly do here. Let's go to a movie. I Yeah Oh my God. She's like so it doesn't look like you have anything rich like TV or even music. I couldn't have any of my riche down. Yeah everything in here is pretty were we could do for like I could watch you paint but honestly that sounds like absolute fucking hell. So why don't we just? I don't know go to a fucking movie so they do offers and offers a pretty good solution to. She's like I play cards with the other. Kids could've played cards. They could've played car. Also an is so it's so very hot apart from dirk being snotty to Lynn everybody else's so deferential and so she's like I'm so very sorry for my poor surroundings yes. Let's see a movie because I couldn't possibly ask you to stay in my closet of a room also or she's like or you can talk to my dad while. I I shouldn't I make us all an eight course. How all sound moment of? She opens this rich. She's like oh I wonder if I can find it because it was so like like sort of a modern reaction and yet full of fifties food. Yeah no she was like she was like I opened her fridge. And oh she didn't have anything in it besides lettuce wrapped in cloth and the lettuce has wrapped in cloth under a towel or thunder fucking. Gar like rag when she describes the fling open the refrigerator door and took out the damp towel held the salad ingredients. Trying not to look surprised. At how empty the refrigerator was the chambers. Refrigerator was always overloaded with food for snacking. And here's where I went. Oh my God I can't believe these are your snacks Because it's not like I mean. We had like doritos chips. Ahoy it's food for snacking. Apples and plums an ice cream and cokes and all manner of other things Rosa lease audit that the masters refrigerator contained the basic necessities milk eggs margarine some bacon and cheese and a few covered jars. I was like what's in those jars. What's going on in those jars? Also them that they were no They were having like when the mom gets all aflutter because she's like by. Some of the House is coming back. It's a she has to like make a humongous dinner which sounded really delicious. Even though fifty days kinda gross but she was a keg noodles like some kind of fucking pot roast and some green beans or something and mint ice cream and she was making the apple upside Al Cake. And did you realize what they were having for lunch? Did you clock what they were eating for lunch? Yes Ham Salad Ham Salad Hamstrung comes. She's like I need something. Eat Real quick. Oh you're making sandwiches always see some ham salad. I was like what the fuck is on. Look it up. Maybe it's good well. It's like potato but with Ham Ham. Mayo probably look on okay old up finding it. Ham Salad Ham In everything. Okay.

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"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

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06:54 min | 1 year ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"Hey everybody it's Andrew and it's Anna from scary stories to tell in the pod and here's some awesome things to check out this week on the forever dog podcast network. Megan shelter is a guest on seek treatment and Katyn. Pat Are on confronting demons. That's right it's a secret. Even Confronting Evens Crossover. This is just very good. These are the villains of the comedy scene. There they're talking in there chatting and they're mixing in their matching and they're cooler than we'll ever be in that's fine on sloppy seconds big dipper and meatball chat with Chicago legend and wallpaper enthusiasts Shade Kuei from season nine of repulse drag race. Wow those are three absolute stars of not only the drag world all so my heart speaking of stars in my heart check in with Sydney emory on the unofficial expert. And Hey we'd love for you to listen and subscribe to our own spooky show scary stories to tell on the pod where we take you on a deep dive into the fascinating world of American folklore. Go Stories huntings and urban legends via the Classic Children's series scary stories to tell them the dark. Thank you so much supporting our network. Now please please enjoy this episode. Won't you won't you? Why is len left out of everything this week? On the Lois Duncan's daddy taught pill. Welcome to increase. The podcast discussed white pulp fiction. I was thrown by that tagline. It was very weird. One of your host wins a case. I. I'm to one of your hosts Kelly nugent and today we're joined by a very special guest. You may know him as a writer for transformers and teenage mutant Ninja Turtles as host of Nintendo Cartridge Society podcast. But most importantly as our number one foremost expert on all things load up. Patrick Allergies is here. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. Chocolate Dunk figure out why Lynn is being left out of everything. Why why is she down? And we know within seconds origins back to the time we know and she isn't even fully being left out. She's leaving herself out. Yeah she's withdrawing I think she's clinically depressed. Oh Yeah Oh yeah you should come. Stanchly key circumstantial. She's fine before she wants. Nothing in this. The whole book wants to how she wanted to hall into us to be a hill girl again but she also wants to not want Paul. She wants Paul to warrant her more. There we go. Yes so that interesting confident which I feel like many people can relate to myself. Okay here's the thing. Did I love this book? Yes I fucking this book I love. His Books Are White. It was like it was such old. Fashioned fluffy nonsense. Yeah but it was so it was like a like I said. We're Kelly and I were texting about this a little bit. It's like it's like I'm sitting on a cloud. I seriously feel so quite late. Risk Super Coleman and also like a benefit so much from I assumed that the version that we all read is the only version that exists is a non updated version right. This would be insane to not dirk without a cell phone but no other languages is usually. He's still saying darn and they're also saying he and like what was. Oh He's a grand fellow people saying like fine but not in like a sarcastic way. I love sincere fine fine like ooh isn't that fine. What a fine notion you know. Okay so let me judge it. We we don't have a okay here. We go ready so ready. Oh man okay. I'm only at the because the only place I could find the description of this book it is available on Condal Which is to buy a hard cover for two hundred dollars? You can no thank you. Oh there's a really good tagline on the Condo version actually really what is it? Lynn Chambers has always been a member of the in crowd but But can she give that up to do? What's right? tagline long along. It's a little long but it's very accurate and grabs your attention. It's better than Wise Lynn. Being left out of everything Jiang okay. Ready Lynch Chambers is popular wealthy and going home most study with a handsome college boy but when she decides not to be a debutante. Lynn finds herself on the outside which leads her to a side of town. She barely knew existed there. She meets Anna. Oh you have to talk about Anna. Oh my God. An artist accurate overlooked by the debutante crowd and bad boy. Dirk masters was a fast car a quick temper and a dark secret involving Lynn. He likes Sir. I think that's the dark secret. He likes her. It's not very I think they're trying to market it like her other books which it's not. It's dark for the time it's true. It's like it was. I mean the classes daring secret dude yet. His secret he's pure. Oh man he's pouring he. He's in love with a non poor of with a riche. Here's the thing. He was capital P. problematic. It's true but he was also extremely hot. Hughes to figure this out is he the low dunk boy or as Paul Volodin Halls Loda also loan dunk boy. Now 'cause he will actually yeah. He has this dark secret of being a boy. There's like yes tends to be a bad way. Well there's always a bad boy. Low Duncan a good boy low dunk but obviously Paul is the like true low dunk. Sure is more the down a dark hall low dunk born. Yes yes I think honestly if you look at the two characters. You'll see. That looks really experimenting with duality. And kind of like two different sides. The same I..

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"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

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04:35 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"And then the waitress comes over with tiny little cups tiny little folding, plastic cups of fruit loops in front of the girls and their best restaurant ever. Yeah. Of course. Good move. That's good waitress. That's very good waitress. That's smart. I wish I could remember the name of the place because it really leave. You are down so much has a hot syrup. Like dispense hot syrup on tap. Yeah. And fruit loops in tiny cups on on demand. Yeah. Chew. That's right. I feel like okay. I don't know if this is real. But I think maybe draining. I think this is maybe a dream. Okay. Guys. If you know this place, it's an oak park, Illinois lettuce now who'd be very helpful to have you ever eaten the warbler in Chicago. I don't believe. So what is really good just talking Chicago restaurants, man, it's super good. And they have a lot of really really yummy veggies Pesca -tarian options. Yes, Brown dare. Not with mushroom and fettuccine was like with Brown. Butter sauce. Do. Ooh. Next level. Is it a little sprinkle of Karsh pepper on? It course got to give it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Super yon the towns. Great everything brand dad brand odd. Yeah. They have Brenda. They're super YoM underserved. Lemon thing. I'm hungry. No. I'm starving. My mouth frothing. So now, I just wanna eat these things. I'm sorry. That's okay. Well, why don't you go to that? Why don't you go to that? I I don't don't know know the. the. So I say if you should read this one if you want to because it's a it's a good one. It's a good one. I felt like it wasn't as scary as stranger with my face now. And it doesn't do any like the sad stuff. No, sad stuff stuff, really anywhere, and like anytime, and she gets into a way more in the interview to but all of the talk of like ESP makes me think a lot of who killed who killed my daughter. So the name of that book. Really that directive question, I think it is. Yeah. Hold on the nonfiction book lowest Dunkin wrote about dealing with the death of her daughter where she It Dada. is. She enlists the help of like psychics, and like all kinds of. Non-traditional forms of investigating and like, she it's a weirdly racist book and just like, I don't know just watching her grasp at like these straws these like tiny little slivers of meaning from people who are telling her that like they're getting messages from the other side. And like that book is just so sad. Yeah. That like, it's just sad and racist isn't all that much. And so like any anytime that the ESP stuff came up. I don't really like this. But it's not really ESPN keep calling it ESPN s and keep doing keeping. They won't. It's not it's just like sensitivity to go. Yeah. Which I enjoy a little more totally. Is actually I wanted to bring this up. The there's sorry keeping us to. No, no, no. I'm making sure I know what book reading next week so stranger with my face. Also has this of like does low dunk Cava thing about being kicked out of her own body because like stranger as astral projection where the the twin girls twin twin her her dead twin out of her own body. Yeah. And I think that is I think that's a trope that she's really interested in. Yeah. Because. Yeah. Because it is scary, right? To like be to realize that you were not in control to lose. Atonomy is scary. Scary shit. Yeah. So yeah. No. I'll back the play. It's a good. It's a good book. It was a fun read. I read it real quick fast raid real fast, very fast. It was good. I'd missed Lois. Duncan. I really enjoy her style of writing. It's very easy to digest. And it's still really pretty like the thing. I read about the the wind. Yes. You can be really poetic sometimes kind of comes out of nowhere, but never feels out of place..

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03:27 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"This is ten years ago. All we we can only lease. We can only cast these actors from like ten or twenty years ago because we don't watch things that come out now for teens. That is correct. Maybe someone from fall in our stars or love Simon. Sure. One who gives a fuck this movie is going to tank. Yeah yet. Well, because it's also in classic low dunk fashion like back too much really happens in this book. I could see this being kind of like an arthouse tight moving. Like kind of weird or if you just like weird it up a little more like maybe like our Gento ish. Yeah. That would be so good. It'd be really cool or could be like a this could be like a Netflix series to. Yes. I definitely say that could be eight episodes long each one is just like one of the girls having a weird encounter with their goes. And like you get to explore what the art of this artists would look like what the songs of this more would look like. That could be cool. But just as as a start to finish like movie like, I don't know. I don't know, man. So okay. So then they're like stops habbing. We're not leaving. We don't try to leave. And maybe that's the ghosts. But I just wish that we were told that yet or that like if it is a metaphor for like people saying in abusive relationships when everyone is like, why don't you just leave? If there were any sort of emotional component. None of the girls seem like they are close to Madame to Ray or professor, man. And like they're kind of horny for jill's. That's it. Yeah. Or maybe even like there if there was some kind of lore to being possessed by a ghost, right? Whereas like, what's her name, ruby Ruth Ruth Ruth is the closest to that? I think she likes me. She's like kinda cool with it is she's into it. Yeah. She's like, I don't know. It's kind of neat like got no problem with it. And she's like, oh, there's like I get to understand like, cool, math gut. She sucks. That's how fucking boring is that like, oh, we'll math. I do Cuomo back. Cool. Honestly. Okay. So then things kind of start turning right? Then they're like we can't control who what goes they're going. And where both right. So then some fucked up ghost artists e s I want to know what is in that. Art. So is it the. Uses you are not alone. And wanting to know what is in that art, or what is in the Palam, even Yvonne. Powell I assume that both the French poem was more dislike erotica than anything else. Because they're Barry so embarrassing that they were like, I would never have such evil filth. Come from my pen, and it just like some slash Vic. We all it is. Yeah. So the interview in the back of the book is with. Ginny Han was talking Lois Duncan. And she says, I'm dying to know, what was the French poem sandy wrote all about and did you have an actual painter in mind for the grotesques that kit and Jewel's find so horrible Lois as sorry to disappoint you. But I don't know myself. What was in them? I didn't wanna start visualizing the contents because I didn't want them in my own mind. I can't even stand to watch a horror movie on television. I thought I'd cop out and let my readers imagine them for themselves. What it is. What is it has Christ?.

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"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

Teen Creeps

02:27 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"But he teaches math and science and science math and science for boys. That's right. Also for boys music. Yes. Also for hot boys music. Hot boys music, so very very hot sun of Madame drei Jewel's Jewel's d'auray now, this is a hunk. He's a honky honky he has very slender fingers. Very important. He for what exactly unknown. But why authors tend to really like these sexy guys of slender Figgis? He he he's he's a little bit of a dark boy, right? Seriousness about him. Yeah. Because he's a he's an artiste. He's a musician and he just got back from conservatory. Oh, yeah. He was conservatory. Then look did you attacked. I did a little I want to use it conservatory. I don't think that I do. I bring it up all the time. Like, it seems like he brings it up. All the time all the time. Like well. I was at conservatories reminded me of like right after someone studies abroad totally and they're like, oh, I was abroad of the pond. Interestingly when I was studying abroad, I didn't have pig. Three months. Utah little piggies from three months on. Hughley is talking about it. Like a recent study abroad away. But of the girls, all Jim. Yeah. Everything's he's really hot. And they make like little jokes about how hot is. Yeah. They all wanna boat him. The only person that ends up taking class is is kick hit. Well, because the classes are bogus. They're not class. They are not classes they hold on. I wanna stay on for just one second Ohno. I lost. What I was gonna say. Okay. They're not classes classes kitten hills. Roles. Everyone wants to oh, how old is this guy? That was my worry because like they are in high school. Yeah. I wanna see they're like probably sixteen. Yeah. And he is back from conservatory. And she does make no mama gamer, he looks younger. Yeah. But also in but he's he's got to be at least twenty. Yeah. He's gotta be at least twenty that was my is probably twenty two twenty three all the girls..

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Teen Creeps

03:25 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"To have. From. So. Be in the revival of. Yes. Yes. I do wish that I could read the original version of this because so much of this is like hinge on the idea that the time-warp to a different time. That's just the base reality of the world of the book. Like, I wanna know what kind of wish I had gotten and seven eight nine copy me to mix time peel back bay. What's his head? Yeah. Yeah. Send us to send us your copy of daughters of eve that you read for the podcast. Let us have it. Yeah. And if Peter doesn't have slut carved into his head. Why don't you carve that into the back of the book? Yeah ended. Thank you. Mark it make it your own. Do we have any other thoughts about this book that we must discuss? No. I just I recommend it as do. I I like Lois Duncan she she writes a good book. This is maybe her best one that we have covered so far I really like strongest. I like face to face scared me as as we're reading scary. I mean, I I like this book a lot stranger for me was stronger. This book was not scary. No, I was just super wrapped up in the story. And wondering what was going to happen? Like, this is one that I didn't wanna put down. Yeah. I liked is zip right through this. It was. So it's crazy to me that book just like ends. When it does. I was getting a physical copy of it. So I could tell that the book was getting smaller. And I was like is this just going to be over this end? And then I was reading it's like you have seven percent left. I'm like, okay. Okay. But then it turned out some of that was an until it was just over. And I was like well, yeah. I will say what I what we didn't see in this book was like remember like they never came home those books dealt with like, intense sadness. Not as not well on this. One. No, she said multi-facetted, she's except for the the boys and the girls how they are. Right. And anything having to do with race. She's she's gonna botch that she's just going to zip right over. We'll thank you so much for coming on the show. Patrick having me back. It's wonderful to cover low dunk with feels good like, yeah. I feel like we get a lot out of the book. And I was like a legit like a what every book club wishes. It could be really nice. I feel smarter. And there is something very cool that like we're always discussing low dunk with you. I not every book I feel like informs how we read the next one such a shared language about her like point of view now. Right. Plus we've been saying low dunk. Said lowest. We have. Now, we have now. Well, do you have anything you'd like to plug? Patrick. Sure, I would like to plug my podcast, Nintendo. Cartridge society with idea with Mark Mitchell..

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Teen Creeps

03:25 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"To have. From. So. Be in the revival of. Yes. Yes. I do wish that I could read the original version of this because so much of this is like hinge on the idea that the time-warp to a different time. That's just the base reality of the world of the book. Like, I wanna know what kind of wish I had gotten and seven eight nine copy me to mix time peel back bay. What's his head? Yeah. Yeah. Send us to send us your copy of daughters of eve that you read for the podcast. Let us have it. Yeah. And if Peter doesn't have slut carved into his head. Why don't you carve that into the back of the book? Yeah ended. Thank you. Mark it make it your own. Do we have any other thoughts about this book that we must discuss? No. I just I recommend it as do. I I like Lois Duncan she she writes a good book. This is maybe her best one that we have covered so far I really like strongest. I like face to face scared me as as we're reading scary. I mean, I I like this book a lot stranger for me was stronger. This book was not scary. No, I was just super wrapped up in the story. And wondering what was going to happen? Like, this is one that I didn't wanna put down. Yeah. I liked is zip right through this. It was. So it's crazy to me that book just like ends. When it does. I was getting a physical copy of it. So I could tell that the book was getting smaller. And I was like is this just going to be over this end? And then I was reading it's like you have seven percent left. I'm like, okay. Okay. But then it turned out some of that was an until it was just over. And I was like well, yeah. I will say what I what we didn't see in this book was like remember like they never came home those books dealt with like, intense sadness. Not as not well on this. One. No, she said multi-facetted, she's except for the the boys and the girls how they are. Right. And anything having to do with race. She's she's gonna botch that she's just going to zip right over. We'll thank you so much for coming on the show. Patrick having me back. It's wonderful to cover low dunk with feels good like, yeah. I feel like we get a lot out of the book. And I was like a legit like a what every book club wishes. It could be really nice. I feel smarter. And there is something very cool that like we're always discussing low dunk with you. I not every book I feel like informs how we read the next one such a shared language about her like point of view now. Right. Plus we've been saying low dunk. Said lowest. We have. Now, we have now. Well, do you have anything you'd like to plug? Patrick. Sure, I would like to plug my podcast, Nintendo. Cartridge society with idea with Mark Mitchell..

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Teen Creeps

03:35 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"Like, your defensive your dad would include that. Yeah, they also thirty. I do still think this is a feminist after talking about this. I still think it for me. It's kind of it waivers a little I think out of that is because of exactly what low dunk says, which is that she's like, I didn't really wanna come down hard on either side. So I think the wavering. This is from that. But I do think a lot of it is like. Of how we interpret like how we react to it. If we were to be like, oh my God. Irene his a harbinger of an evil future. Like what if what is this woman is due? And I think this is something that I I relate with you on which is that I I enjoy the show Rick and Morty, but also the fuck and phantom of that show. It's embarrassing to be famous embarrassing. And so I think like like those people have like because their fans they've like poisoned the show. It's like oh people thought used like watched madman. And they were like, oh, I won't be like wearing a suit. Yeah, gang. Yeah. I wanna be like fucking, Don, Don, Draper. And it's like, no, no one thinks you should be like, Don Draper. That's. That's. Show like so it's just it's kind of like one of its like that. I think where it's like if you watch like, oh, yeah. She is the village. Oh, poor poor Peter like, then you're poisoning it. Yeah. It's not as feminist as I would like it to be. And it's certainly not intersectional feminist, definitely a white feminist book. Yeah. That being said, I was not our flex people didn't exist in nineteen. No, I think it was only only white people everyone is straight and. Airborne everyb- Michigan. I can't think of a single city in Michigan where there were any black people in. Yeah. Lying to mind. Like, can you even think of any like a culture of black people that exist in Michigan seventies in the seven sixties seventies? I can't even think single thing. Maybe like Lansing. I don't think so. Mostly eastern people. So yeah, I feel like it is still a lot of questions my mind, though, I still like like certain parts, I'm like his that. I don't know. I will attribute the parts where I'm like to being written in nineteen seventy nine and being a sloppy sloppy eight revised revision. Yeah revival. Do wish this particular Broadway revival. Magin this as a musical. A series of monologues. It would also like cats is what? And I feel like so many of the song would be like, oh, wait was that in public domain theater that we did that? Dissidents distant like songs, which are like we are the. We are honors of eve. Like a lot of those. Was wrong by man. Oh, I I was telling you about Patrick's impression. He does such a really good impression of of Russell Crowe as you were telling you oh. Oh, what did you do it? Okay. Oh..

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Teen Creeps

04:43 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"Okay. So then who's next after the girl animal cruelty, girl? We did a pretty good job with Erica. Yeah. I knew areas one of the main ones, although at times, I would come across her name and go, right? Well, right, right. Lotta it's pretty quick to be like, don't forget, the rats, and you. All right. Do you want first and last name first name and Whitten? Okay. I'm one. Yeah. She's pregnant she's an. She's an artist. She also like okay for the longest time. I was like how old is Dave because it is not super clear now, they say it's been a few years since he was in high school, right? Is a really say that he's like three years since I've been on a high school campus twenty one days let him not be older than twenty one. I was very worried. Six. No, that's okay. I was worried for both of them when we first find out how they met and the psychic one of the girls like sees the way she's describing him. She's like me is that right? Yeah. Tammy's Hammami's the psychic so psychic Tammy and forgot is hanging out with an and another one like JoAnne or something Kelly Kelly, someone this is already more than I ever. Remember? I was reading Mike ho- not bad. And yet what I would come across their names in the book. I was like, I don't know. Who says she's probably why she's a girl. Yeah. Definitely definitely white. I just remember like like the first paragraph of every chapter because it's a chapter Pirker. All I would like be like, I don't know. This figure it out. Eventually, she'll give some more details. And I'll be like, oh, it's that girl. I would do the same thing so psychic Tammy. And and yes, and one of the other interchangeable like third ones Kelly are sitting at this like base mall shop type thing, and they see they describe him as how sweaty move blonde man with legs like muscles were like Rojo shit. Yeah. Right being ropy muffler Shing against his shirt straining against his shirt. And is that are blue. Yeah. Like the sky on the clearest day in autumn. Yeah. Which we all know what color blue that is. We don't even have to. He's Paul bitney those that the vision. That guy. He's got the blue eyes. Yeah. Anyway, what about the scene? So they keep having a man. And I thought he was not even just a man a man, but also like kind of horrify. Yeah. I know I thought he was I did not. I did not enjoy that. He was like you can live first of all it was. I thought he owned that farm for a while. So I was like, oh, no this is not. Yeah. But then there's he does on the phone 'cause 'cause mom dies. Right. When his father had died previously right before. Yeah. Because he's fifty five he's fifty five. His parents were reaching eighty five. Yeah. Can't work. A farm outs. Too old. And so then I was horrified. When he is like he proposes to her and he's like William marry me. And he's like, you know, what you could like live. I can make you a little studio in the farmhouse. And you could hang out with my mom while I work the field. I was like she's like I was like what don't go to that house. I think that's amazing. I didn't have a problem. Wait for my little studio in my little farmhouse. I mean apart from hanging out with a mom because I don't know what she's like, she's got charming. Here's the thing. Everyone dreams of sojourn. Everyone dreams. I I just you're in for a so George I do all the time. I'm like I could run away and like be in like a farmhouse somewhere for like two years. Yeah. Fantasize about not wanting the life that I have. Yeah. And somehow like my creative would just like disappeared. Yes. Exactly. Or maybe a novelist who knows? Well, that's why I was like she gets on artist's studio to practice her craft all the time sell paintings online. He's like you can do it on the capital. I internet. The thing that sucked was like he was like he didn't even think that she'd have friends or anything like that..

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02:05 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"Stark they band together to form daughters of eve, it's more than a school club. It's a secret society assist hood at first. It seems like they're actually changing the way guys at school treat them. But when MS stark urges to take more indicative action things take violent turn blinded by their oath of loyalty, the daughters of eve become instruments of vengeance. Can one of them break the spell before real tragedy strikes? No, no. But was what does that even mean though? Not true real tragedy. Because like sometimes they are doing things, and I'm like, yeah. This is cliff. The thing with Peter. I was like fine with except for maybe the carving of the word slide on the back of his head was a little town. I was like fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't say I thought he deserved it. I think if they were doing it to Niles I'd be like hundred percent fucking go there. I was pissed that Nile was involved in. Ends of the earth and also fucked Peter because he is Niles fucking role model this Peter that's like Niles is that way partially because Peter is a fucking shit. Yeah. Peter's a piece of shit. So so these girls. Basically are in this sorority at school MS stark Irene stark, she's from another she came from Chicago. And she came to this small city, I know from the shy town she comes in, and she's like this places backwards because as Lois Duncan said in the interview, she had to have it be kind of like it was a backwards town because it would be pretty I mean, some of the blatant stuff. They're saying just seems a little bit like second way feminism for sure. So she was like, okay, I had to make it. So that it was like it was this weird warp town. Whereas when it was originally written in the seventies the world Seventy-nine. Yeah. It I think it was such a mistake to try to update they should've just left it left..

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Teen Creeps

02:05 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"Stark they band together to form daughters of eve, it's more than a school club. It's a secret society assist hood at first. It seems like they're actually changing the way guys at school treat them. But when MS stark urges to take more indicative action things take violent turn blinded by their oath of loyalty, the daughters of eve become instruments of vengeance. Can one of them break the spell before real tragedy strikes? No, no. But was what does that even mean though? Not true real tragedy. Because like sometimes they are doing things, and I'm like, yeah. This is cliff. The thing with Peter. I was like fine with except for maybe the carving of the word slide on the back of his head was a little town. I was like fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't say I thought he deserved it. I think if they were doing it to Niles I'd be like hundred percent fucking go there. I was pissed that Nile was involved in. Ends of the earth and also fucked Peter because he is Niles fucking role model this Peter that's like Niles is that way partially because Peter is a fucking shit. Yeah. Peter's a piece of shit. So so these girls. Basically are in this sorority at school MS stark Irene stark, she's from another she came from Chicago. And she came to this small city, I know from the shy town she comes in, and she's like this places backwards because as Lois Duncan said in the interview, she had to have it be kind of like it was a backwards town because it would be pretty I mean, some of the blatant stuff. They're saying just seems a little bit like second way feminism for sure. So she was like, okay, I had to make it. So that it was like it was this weird warp town. Whereas when it was originally written in the seventies the world Seventy-nine. Yeah. It I think it was such a mistake to try to update they should've just left it left..

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Teen Creeps

04:33 min | 2 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"Thank God. I know feeling like I truly per no. When I saw you. I'm not alone. Okay. I'm an open that fucking door. Okay. So she not until she figured out remind me reminded me shown what it was. Remind me what it is that makes her go into astral projection. Not in the morning, like what triggers? It's the family reacting so badly to her telling me astral projection story. Remember because then Meg follows her and it's like, it's the ghost he isn't it. Yes. Then mega like be careful and she's like, I will shadow, can't hear you. And she's like, no, for real girl, big careful. And she's like Email and she does it anyway, even though it's the afternoon, and then that's also seems like kind of addicted. Right? Because she like gets to like. So the first time she goes to. She like, right, is that the for she tries? She tried. She goes to hell, I, yeah. And then she goes to the abbots in Albuquerque. Yeah, I guess the very first time, I guess, is her projecting like up out of the cliffs. So. Yeah. And that was a moment of shock, right that she was able to do it so quickly and strong because she wasn't thinking in word. Yeah. So it turns out that fucking Leah has lured him out onto the rocks when he was trying to go over to the house for Christmas Eve, which also got there at Christmas Eve together sounded so like nice. I don't know. Yeah. I mean for as like distant emotionally weird as the parents are like that home life sounds. They worked as a family. I mean, I just loved the three kids. You don't much like I wish I don't know. Like I wish I had grown up with like a horde of siblings that were all like close in age and cool. I wish I had a VIP. Exactly. I'm an she makes it perfect. Yes, yeah, Meg, but so she Li lures Jeff out onto the rocks. He falls into a hole into like a, what? How am. During this thing? I thought it was a cave couldn't get out of, right? Yeah. And then like cliff live because it's like they could fall. Yeah, they're gonna ledge type thing. Yeah, that's what I was picked. Yeah. Like a really tiny, like a crevice into a ledge that's inside the crevice. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I pictured to for a while. I was picturing water up there with it like water at the edge of the cave, but I don't think that's right. I think is further down to the water. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would have been a fall to the water because they kept calling them the mermaid caves. Yes. Nagin called them. Yeah, you know what? I bet it is. I bet if you to get to those caves from like a a a way of transit, other than falling, you have to like swim under. And then 'cause there are like that where I go interesting where it's like, yeah, you could like swim up and then you're at the bottom of the cave and you could maybe climb up, but like it's not accessible by the shore. Maybe it depends on the tied to it might depend on the tide neither way they're trapped. You know, it doesn't depend on tide because Jeff was full. That's that's a great. Oh yeah, he was. He was conked or he was trying not to count. He was about to die of exposure. Yes. It's very buying like so loopy and like. Twenty seven. I had. I truly thought he was in love with Helen. Yeah, I just thought of him as a friend and then when it was like, why do you keep seeing not me out on the cliffs? Because I walk here sometimes. Why do you walk? Sometimes I walk here because you live here. I was like. No, yeah. I felt like I was Laurie. I was, I know. Drive Motors lying on drums. For sure that his injury was going to be from the motorcycle. And then it was like lighter fluid buildup. It's I also did not understand the physics of what happens to them. They know she never really get lighter fluid accident. I was like, I want him to have half burnt face, so he's going to be. Yes, because they keep referencing that to one side of it and I did you did you think I.

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"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

Teen Creeps

02:18 min | 3 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"Although many vietnamese actors were registered with albuquerque talent agencies they refused to audition for parts indicate arquette story the part of sia's win had we cast in hollywood interesting so maybe the unsolved mysteries is even more racist than the book it might be or it they are they try to communicate that all the error men are involved in in albuquerque are involved in his crime and they're like we can't speak out against our own community or they were afraid yeah yeah because they they knew that there were actual people no yeah who would be very bucket 'cause like imagine ranked you're like a moya holed up like this girl got killed for speaking out about this thing and now you want me to act in know nasr seek out vietnamese man in albuquerque hut thinking no nothing out by i am am desperate because they live in a lagoon on i am i not that i don't need the unsolved mysteries great i do thank you i have my pride which is more than can be said for most of us i'm going to wait around for god's here's your breaking bad i will have my melania it it'll be crazy vietnamese actor overall i guess i i mean i'm glad i read this book because mrs do something we've talked about for so long just and honestly like i feel like i'm just going to there is going to be this sadness to all of her bucks now even the ones before her daughter's death which is basically everything that we would be reading yeah yeah possession after that she goes more like kid focus because she can't i i look on an antius ceo mario and also like we've set it before and i'll say it again yes woman knows how to write about grief and when it is personal it is that much more pure saying i was going through my notes just to make sure there wasn't my corner really wanting to talk about the who isn't going to say on here it is august 20th i cannot look at it fully straight on not yet tiny sideways glances are all i can imagine all i can match it cut i thought it wrong again our.

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Teen Creeps

02:04 min | 3 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"You must now let's say about them as a people we all know or or some real fucked a car scams at all it is also though it is commonly of the real thought of rises out there and but this might be an example of which again of like self heating racism but i remember my mom would always be like don't drive out in little saigon which is this like get garden grows such westminster which is where they were um because there's insurance scams out there it's like known that if you go out there and she's like you know those she says something really bad i'm not gonna fit on the air but she say it on the on aaron harassed that why she just getting busier he caused vietnamese people something and says well you know those people like uh there they're out to get you you can't trust them 'cause they're going to hit you with their car in than they're gonna try and see you people to do that people do do that a common thing now actually in la is a they won't even hit you and they'll like tell you pull over it in the know claim you hit them anna people i had a guy who i thought i was backing out of a driveway i like doing threepoint turn and then somebody who's coming down the road and so i stopped and he like waves me forward and soy when again and he crashed into me was a hot and then he tried to sue me for for whiplash i was going no miles an hour was his name is on when it was okay i found him wall you're was wide open because the thing was she said i were yet progressive progressive which is where they name jobs book as like a high risk insurance company tunnel aims bathing ius 11 they got that cat case a thorough now though most the there was no validity to it yeah um but still terrifying though yeah i was leah fucking wave me ford and i have no way to prove that modell c is a lie.

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Teen Creeps

01:50 min | 3 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"M night name named it here on him name than i hear they are but my mom was like complaining to me about this thing because she like um my mom does not like when men boss around and so she like really didn't like a lot of things about her own culture and like would complain about that to me and i don't know if this is completely true and if anyone is like more vietnamese the men wants to like correct me please do dna tests however these are do you have a 23 in me profile i do not have a 22 profile but something that my mostly french and german oh really knew i mostly german really will come about how you sound bombed it's i feel like it's a bummer we managed to him is going to be a nazi back there somewhere look there i won't get out i don't love it you ain't get out french get out replacement no right um but something that she my mother would complain about is that um so there is like a pet name between men and women in relationships and for the man it's too the woman it's like it's like baby but it means more like child and the woman does not called me on that and um and it's like it's like this thing of like familial names so like in my mom's family everyone has like nicknames in they call each other that like my mom's is number which is mushroom cuts kyodo desert on him cousins jap which is on fish uh so but it between a man and woman at least what my mom told me she could be lying on her my mom is a notoriously higher she hasn't been tories liar that is actually very true so maybe but that it was something we call will way is kelly the liar liar mother.

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

Teen Creeps

02:17 min | 3 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"And i was like a curve we can go after black people now yeah we also lightly we are spared yeah like can't the assumption just be that lake maybe a white person was involved he wasn't your daughter yeah well so then she's like so she's like oh sushi so okay and and she gets the name so the mic vamp thing also comes up because one of the guys involved in the shooting ostensibly we don't know his name is mike garcia and they're like is that his last name in the yard in the on interogations like is that his last name and they're in the guy was like um no he goes by something else he goes by something like vampire vamp and so she's like holy fucking shit the character in my book who was a murderer for higher was named mike vamp so she wasn't trying to show me the fact that us this the mike vamps thing she was trishul me the identity of the killer she's trying to show me the role of the killer which was a murderforhire gear and which is the lawn to do with drugs to do with droughts because the drugs were in her book so like mike vamp in her book is he ever empire known these are the questions empires revamp why not because i ever near another day yeah she ever gardening psychic visions of it now must right also member what we've talked about a couple of times about in her other books which were published before this happened we that is the thing is as i'm reading unlike what can curry now it is crazy there are some real ties here like the whole like drugrunning yes to mexico in latin america back yeah and also just the in they never came back how much time is spent on like grieving the the loss of those kids yeah yeah it felt very real like sheet experienced it and yet she had not yet and then also this thing of the moms all the psychic moms yes in la viking mommsen dunk in all of that cuba all the technology.

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Teen Creeps

01:46 min | 3 years ago

"lois duncan" Discussed on Teen Creeps

"So he's elveno yeah he he's like all the matter very beautiful in lord of the ring um and so she agrees to do it they got to do it it does not go gray the it in question is kidnapped mr griffin esc care here napping run the ringleader is mark who is a psychopath who like right away so you have how everyone knows any is fucking second aso obvious to everybody but it it's also read like a book at israel burst sex equality of his right will use those areas and added i don't know nagy as by you is there a strange his based on their hooded glassy yeah and sometimes his voice is a steal knife also hold on since were speaking about oh speak on mark uh we'll all ice key guys this while tell looking how early did you figure out like oh mark burned his data live from the house the second that we found out that the dad died in a fire yes thank you right because it seeded pretty early this is again another feature of lois duncan novels is that every mystery is seeded super early so at han props on that england's who for obviously like i realised flame i will say a realize the second time he might because we didn't know anything about mark yet but we didn't we learned that he burns the cat yes he very the wall so he like what i do a bad thing to a cat and then d burns like so leaper the caddick burns his tactics season yeah allows the ban is law a suburb everybody knows enlarged loves gardening so here's the question what isn't he burn mr griffin work he lays me ranging out and obviously didn't work so he was like back to the basics bursar.

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