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Ep 060: Local Voice Search Domination

Marketing Above All

11:16 min | 1 year ago

Ep 060: Local Voice Search Domination

"The cash from the chicken wing capital of the World Buffalo New York. You're listening to the marketing above. All podcast your source for all things well. Marketing and total world domination a nation. This is marketing above all. And this is your host Michael. Hey there and welcome to episode sixty. So we're just about two months into this podcast marketing above all. I'm I'm enjoying it. I hope you are as well as always if you liked the show which I hope you do. Please make sure to share the love. Leave a review all that good stuff. Today's topic on episode sixty. Is this the power of voice search. So you've probably you've been hearing a fair amount about voice over the last six to twelve months possibly even a little bit longer but what I want you to do is is really just to continue to look at behavior. Marketing shifts occur when behavior shifts start to happen or they start to drastically happen so for example with the rise of iphones and androids over the last last several years marketing his have has had to shift more towards mobile APPS. Tax Message Marketing Responsive Websites. All that good stuff if you look at the behavior over the last year or two the chart of voice search is continuing to go on a pretty large upward trajectory so devices like Siri Amazon Alexa Alexa. Google home and so on are getting more and more popular and they're getting more and more popular because as of convenience. Why would you take out your phone or boot up your laptop to find the answer to something if you could just say Alexa? Where is the nearest restaurant Alexa? Remind me to do. XYZ Alexa what time is the buffalo bills game this weekend. All these these random things. Those are things that have been said my household the last week or so. It's a lot easier so if the trends are continuing to shift and the behaviors continuing to shift towards voice. This you need to make sure that your local business is well positioned now. There's a lot of different things that you could tackle when it comes to voice Jason. I'M GONNA I'll talk about voice over the next month or so and in particular this episode. I WANNA focus on one of these trends and tactics. Only only that's what I try and do is give you bite sizes amount of information rather than cure sixty four things to do with voice so the one that I want you to focus on is voice voice search because that is the one that is going to be most relevant today and that is the one that is most likely either helping or hurting in your business now voice search is all about someone literally just saying things like and I'll just keep using Alexa for simplicity. But it could be done any of these different devices. We just happen to be in Alexa type of House Alexa. Where is the nearest fill in the blank? Alexa is this business open. Now Alexa What are the ratings for ax? So there's a lot of different searches. That are being done there. I often going to be focused on proximity so as long as you have all those. The Kate Location Services on the device is going to look At restaurants for example or laundry mats or funeral homes or daycare centers or credit unions. Are Banks. Whatever in your geographic the area and then from there they're going to sort by one of a couple of different factors now? The voice search arguer them with the search engines continues to to change but there are two core factors when it comes to how they're ranking websites. The first one is making sure that your website is well all designed and enabled for voice search and the biggest. Take with it. I want to give you for today's episode. Is that you WANNA do a brainstorm the storm session with your team and look at. What are all of the questions that someone is potentially asking about Your Business and I want you to build a page on your website called? FAQ's and I want you to have a separate page for every single. One of those questions sounds so for example. We'll go back to restaurants if all the questions are going to be things like like. Do take reservations. What's the dress code? What are your open hours? Do you have vegetarian options. Do you have vegan options. How far advanced or I need a reservation? You're going to look at all of the different options and you're GonNa make sure that everything gets answered on a separate page on your website. What that ends up doing is it's gonNa tell Google for example when they're searching if you fit the proximity peace it's going to show your the site higher in those voice search based on how people are searching and you have to take a step back he and literally pretend that you're searching and Alexa device so that you word things the right way? That is where I see. Local businesses making mistakes is that things are the two wordy or they're not worded for voice search for research that they're not asking lengthy things. They're asking shorter shorter things. Google is XYZ credit union open. Google where can I get a local mortgage. I mean how long long as a take for acts of at all these different types of things and if you're building at a page in your website that doesn't answer questions in the way that they're being searched on voice you're going to potentially miss out on that search traffic so the biggest piece is to make sure that hey you go through all of those. FAQ's but from a voice standpoint and number two you WanNa make sure then that they're integrated and they're optimized for for voice on your website. That piece is a little bit too technical to describe on today's episode. You WanNa make sure you're working with an agency or a vendor. That can help help. Make sure that everything is getting well designed and all the tags and all that fun technical stuff that I won't get into so voice search is where I'm seeing. All of the behavior is continuing to go and go and go people are. You're using all these different devices to find things quicker in where you can literally grab land before everyone else is by making sure that you're showing uphigher so it's a is your website. Well optimized for voice be doesn't have those questions being answered and see it's also looking at ratings so you WanNa make sure that you have good ratings there going to prioritize a business that even if your website is pretty well optimized for voice race that if you've got a three point two star and other business has four point seven in a few more reviews they're going to bump that business up a little a bit higher from yours and they may get talked about I but the way that you can grab. The market share now is to compile all those questions. I cannot cannot stress this enough. We're building out as many questions as we possibly can. For example what is a website cost. How many pages should a website have? Should you use stock images or not like. Were just building out all of these questions that people are asking and then Billingham into our website but my secret sauce is that rather than just answering them in taxed. I'm answering them in video form form so that now. I've got a video that I can put on Youtube. I've got an audio that I can pose as a podcast for example but then I get that audio audio transcribed using Trent dot com or otter against uttered ILO. There's a variety of different tools that we use Trent or REV DOT com. Tom And now you've got that transcription. You can just go in. And edit got the video. You've got the audio you've got the taxed I that goes on one page on your website and then another question on a different page and another. That is the big thing that you wanNA capitalize on for voice right now is take a step back. Pretend that you've got an Alexa device in your looking for your business and do not think that this is only being used for things like restaurants or hairstylists and things like that. People are searching voice using voice for all different kinds of business businesses. It doesn't matter her funeral homes. If you don't know of a funeral home and you're trying to save time you might say Alexa. What are the nearest funeral homes and that that is happening? It's not that that's like. Oh maybe they're going to do that. That stuff is happening. Now you've gotTa Get on the Voice Bandwagon because this is only only gonNA get stronger. Take some action today. An Upgrade Your Voice Search Game Michael Tazar signing off. Good morning good afternoon afternoon and good night. I'll see you back here tomorrow. Thank you for listening to this episode of marketing. Above all they get out there make a change and take some action and hey don't forget to leave a five star review until all your a friend. This is the greatest marketing podcast ever ever. If we look forward to seeing you here tomorrow.

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Stop Facebook from draining battery

Talking Tech

03:24 min | 2 years ago

Stop Facebook from draining battery

"Talking Tech is brought to you by WICKS DOT COM creatine published a stunning website all from one powerful platform go to wicks dot com to create your very own professional website. Today that's W.. I. X DOT COM in stay tuned after the show to hear you can take advantage of Wick special offer for talking tech listeners so when you look at your smartphone battery at the end of the day and you're wondering why you only ten percent there were variety of factors but you know what no one is a worse abuser then facebook facebook is as the number one battery Hog. I've got a few tips or how to Tame your battery. Let's talk about it on today's episode of Talking Tech. I'm Jefferson Graham. Now you WANNA start by going to the setting section your smartphone and look for location services. This is the tool that facebook uses. Is to track your every move. Just click never for facebook because there's no reason that facebook should be following you like that. <hes> I took a look at my battery settings this week and I saw that facebook even with location services turn to never was operating in background for like two hours six minutes compared to fifteen minutes for twitter six minutes or youtube in three minutes for Google so closing location services is a start facebook and also tap into your Wifi to figure out where oh you are so if you're out and about and don't need it churn Wifi off that could save some battery drain also turn off background refresh that is usually always running to do auto play videos and. Alike so close it now none of those work. I've got a really good idea how to leading the facebook APP altogether. It will save you so much battery drain and you know you can still go on facebook even without the APP you can. I used the mobile web version facebook. It might not be a seamless but would you rather have twenty five percent extra battery a day and obviously beyond facebook you also WanNa lower your brightness whenever possible watch fewer videos and just make sure all those settings are set off to stop these people from tracking US dance the number one abuser of the battery. Do you have questions about Tame your battery. I am here to help. I'm at Jefferson Graham on twitter. I'd love to hear from you. You've been listening. Talking Tech we subscribe to the show wherever you listen online audio in I'll be back tomorrow with another quick hit from the world attack these days businesses of all sizes need an online presence. Whether you're an established name a brand new startup or something in between you WanNa make sure people know where to find you at wicks dot com. You'll find all the tools you need to create a stunning professional website. You'll get access to hundreds of design elements and features that can help you grow your brand online email marketing tools and accustom domain aim to name a few weeks is creation without limits choose from one of their five hundred templates or start from scratch. You have the freedom to build your site anyway. You want plus. Everything is optimized for any device so you'll look great on desktops.

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Facebook sues over ad fraud. Tampering with VPN connections. Russian disinformation in Lithuania.

The CyberWire

22:06 min | 1 year ago

Facebook sues over ad fraud. Tampering with VPN connections. Russian disinformation in Lithuania.

"FACEBOOK SOUSA COMPANY FOR AD fraud UNIX based VPN. Traffic is vulnerable to tampering. Russian disinformation formation in Lithuania Apple. Explains why new iphone say. They're using location services even when location services are switched off researchers set a new record for cracking an encryption crypto key and ransomware hits a New Jersey theater and now a word from our sponsor note before endpoint security firewalls. VPN's authentication systems. We've all got them but do they really provide the comprehensive comprehensive level of security your organization needs to keep the bad guys out. Are they giving you a false sense of security. The unfortunate reality is that each of these security layers can provide hackers with a back door right into your organization and no before. We'll show you how they've got an exclusive Webinar with Kevin mitnick. The world's most famous hacker. Yeah and no. Before his chief hacking officer he'll show you the three most common causes of data breaches. They'll share demos of significant vulnerabilities in common technologies. And he'll else share his top tips. For security defenders go to know before dot com slash vulnerabilities and register for the Webinar. That's Kano WB numeral. Liberal forum dot com slash vulnerabilities. And we thank no before for sponsoring our show funding for this cyber wire. PODCAST is made possible in part by McAfee security built by the power of harnessing one billion threat sensors from device to cloud intelligence eligible that enables you to respond to your environment and insights that empower you to change it McAfee. The device to cloud cybersecurity company go to McAfee DOT dot com slash insights from the cyber wires studios at data tribe. I'm Dave Bittner with your cyber wire summary. For Friday December six twenty nineteen facebook filed a lawsuit yesterday against a Chinese advertising company that allegedly violated the social media platforms add policies over the course of three years. Facebook says the company used malware to compromise facebook users accounts and then use those accounts to host ads for counterfeit products. The company was able to continue the scheme for so long by using a technique known as cloaking which hit the destination of the ADS from facebook systems. Threat posed says says facebook paid four million dollars to reimburse victims whose accounts were abused in this fashion. Researchers at the University of New Mexico have discovered a flaw in Unix base systems that could allow an attacker on the local network to inject packets into a network adjacent users encrypted. VPN connection the vulnerability affects Lennox Lennox Freebie SD Open BSD MAC OS IOS and android an attacker can find the targets virtual ip address by sending packets that span the entire virtual ip space and seeing which address responds with a reset packet the attacker can then determine precise TCP sequence and acknowledgement eligible numbers by spoofing packets at the targeted connection until they trigger a TCP challenged packet. The vulnerability is fairly complex to exploit and observers including the register. Don't believe we'll see it exploited in the wild anytime soon. The researchers are refraining from publishing technical paper on the subject until they've determined a suitable mitigation for the bug. Russian trolls have been active against public opinion. In Lithuania with an uptick an activity noticeable since early September the target is NATO and the messaging trades on Second World War fears of Germany and Cold War fears of the US. And there are the now familiar class of memes teams that portray local authorities as untrustworthy Lithuania's government is working against the disinformation. But it's being tight lipped about specifics. On upset grounds next got reports. The fake news feeds generally represent. NATO troops barbarian threat to the peace and safety of the locals and the Lithuanian government as a collection action of tools and stumbled bums. Who couldn't find their own fourth point of contact with both hands and the Hubble Space Telescope? NOPE nope but if you say it enough there will be someone who swallow it. The disinformation campaign is instructive in that it probably foreshadows themes and tactics that will appear in other places particularly during election. Election Seasons Apple offered an explanation. For why it's iphone eleven frequently show the location services icon. Even when all location services have have been switched off in settings the company told Krebs on security that the icon's presence is related to the phones Short Range Ultra wideband technology which allows. How's the device to share files with other phones? Nearby Ultra wideband is prohibited in a small number of countries including Argentina Paraguay Indonesia and Russia. The iphone eleven uses location services to verify that the device isn't in one of those countries and the location data doesn't leave the user's phone apple said it will include an option to switch off ultra wideband in a future. IOS release an international team of researchers led by the National Institute for Computer Shooter. Science and Applied Mathematics in France have broken the record for the largest encrypted key ever cracked the researchers used clusters of computers across several countries these two factor and RSA to forty key which is seven hundred and ninety five bits. Long the total amount of computations required would have taken just under four thousand years running on a single computer so the calculation doesn't mean modern encryption keys are at risk especially. Since most current implementations use two thousand is an forty eight bit keys rather as the University of California San Diego noted in a statement. Achieving regular computational records is necessary to update cryptographic security parameters and key size recommendations and finally the New Jersey Shakespeare Theater suffered a ransomware attack which forced it to cancel the first performance ornaments of Charles Dickens. A Christmas Carol. The theater said in a statement that we have no idea where anyone is sitting or when they are coming therefore we have no idea which tickets sir available for sale and we have no information on how to contact any of our patrons at this moment in time. The theater's doing its best to ensure that the show goes on but it can only sell new tickets on the night of the performance after patrons who preordered tickets already been seated and and now a word from our sponsor extra hop delivering cloud native network detection and response for the hybrid enterprise. The cloud helps your organization organization move fast but hybrid isn't easy. Most cloud security failures will fall on customers not service providers now that network detection and response is available billable in the public cloud. It's finally possible to close the visibility gaps inside your network. Extra hop reveal X.. Cloud brings cloud native network detection and Response Response to aws helping security teams spot contain and respond to threats that have already breached the perimeter. Request your thirty day. Free trial of reveal X.. Is Cloud today at extra hop dot com slash trial. That's extra hop dot com slash trial and we thank extra hop for sponsoring our show and joining joining me. Once again is David Defer. He's the vice president of Engineering and Cybersecurity at web route. David it's always great to have you back You all recently published a report looking back doc at twenty nineteen at some of the nastiest threats that you were tracking. What can you share with us today? Hey David always glad to be back griping here Yes so we did this report. our our threat researchers They did a great job pulling this information in three main areas. The INBOX We're talking about emails and fishing there botnets and then the big one as everyone is probably sick of talking about ransomware ransomware. Let's start with that one. We you know some of the biggest things we ah where with and trick pot One of the most successful did a lot of financial damage to governments and small businesses so very very successful strain and ransomware. The cybercriminals are getting really really good at at deploying. This stuff Gan crab. I don't know if folks have heard that but that's a ransomware as a service David which is kind of a terrifying thing if you if you think about it continues to be very successful. We've seen over two billion dollars on on that service alone and we saw this evolution with cyber attacks as a service would diaz attacks and botnets and now that we're seeing it in ransomware as well. It's it's increasingly becoming a problem that we're getting better protecting against but still exists and your your number one recommendation for ransomware O.. V. Number one absolutely bar. Nothing recommendation for ransomware is to back up your data and and make sure your backups. In a safe place that you can recover from if if you have a good backup solution that can back up in the cloud. That's great if you can back them up off line that's great and I want to be super clear when we talk about backup. We're not talking about services that sync files across your machines So that you can share those files. A lot of people feel like that. That's a backup. But if ransomware ransomware gets a hold of those files they can potentially be sync across all of your devices. You really need a real robust backup solution. Well let's move onto fishing fishing. What are you tracking there? So we're seeing you know the continued increase in fishing. And you know David. I've been talking to a lot of folks about fishing in. It's kind of just come to some. You know an epiphany I had that fishing is essence the scam and it's a scam. That's been going on for probably the beginning of time and it's just the computers and technology have become the mechanism for delivering that whether you're getting fished through the phone whether getting fished through SMS. Text text messages. Whether you're getting to email. which is the number one way we see fishing is simply you know someone trying to scam you? And now they're able to use it a lot more a technology components to to get that information out of you all right. Well how about button. You guys are tracking that as well. Yes so botnets. We're again seeing an increase increase in in you and I've talked about this before David. But it's it's one of those things where what's old is new we'd seen are huge decrease in botnets in in Early Twenty tens because folks had become very very good at at pro- detecting and preventing those on windows platforms. But as we've seen the growth of IOT infrastructures and you know more sophisticated organizations building botnets. We're seeing a lot more growth in that area. I would say at at the moment what we're seeing are kind of flagship projects where they're going out and testing the capabilities of what they could do. And I would I would. I guess over the next year or two. We'll see some fairly large botnets attacking large iot infrastructures and things like that. As a really honing their skills on being able to attack these new environments what about crypto mining in crypto checking. You know I I think a couple years ago. We thought that that was perhaps the future richer but it seems as though they've died down some so yeah. Those are dying down in. I'm going to be honest. I've never been a big worrier of crypto mining encrypted. Jacking it does use your your resources. Some power maybe and maybe some CPU Utilization on your computer memory like that but the thing about crypto mining encrypted. Jacking is if you typically shut down a browser it goes away and the biggest thing that made you know we we sit around some of the folks here. At Weber we sit around and we talk about how cybercriminals can make money encrypted money and tripler. Jacking they're trying to make money straightaway by using your machine for mining but a lot out of these folks are doing malicious activity in the traditional sense. Where they're trying to infect your machine with militias software so yes it's it's annoying? It's it's one of those annoyances like a virus that plays a song it is using your CPU cycles. But but we haven't seen a lot of malicious activity around folks who are doing crypto mining. Encrypted jacking all right well. The report is the revival of ransomware webroot reveals. TWENTY-NINE NASTIEST threats. You can find that on the web route website David therefore thanks for joining us Great Bean David and now a word from our sponsor the upcoming cyber members security conference for executives the Johns Hopkins University Information Security Institute and Ankara will host this event on Wednesday March twenty fifth in Baltimore Maryland on the Johns Hopkins home would campus. You can find out more at ISI DOT G H U DOT EDU and Click on sixth annual cybersecurity. The conference for executives. Learn about the do's and don'ts of risk management with industry leaders and other cyber professionals check out the details at ISI DOT J H U Dot Edu Click on the sixth annual cybersecurity conference for Executives. And we thank the Johns Hopkins University Information Security Institute for sponsoring our show. Oh my guest. Today is Robert Weightman. He's director of data the privacy at Cisco his team recently published their consumer privacy survey highlighting the top areas where consumers continue to struggle to understand how companies are handling in their personal data. And how far data privacy trust has progressed. If at all well a number of things have been on our mind looking at the privacy market and how our customers are responding thing to changing conditions regulations. We know the privacy is an important topic for our customers and would like to continue to share research and I thought leadership around topics that matter to them so whether they are joining a Webex or whether they are interacting with Cisco either directly or indirectly. It's something that matters is to them. That was really foremost. Secondly we've done some research in the corporate side over the past three years looking at the benefits of privacy beyond compliance organizations which have gotten operational efficiency organizational agility. They've gotten to be more secure. Because having their data houses in order has reduced just some of the costs and implications of breaches. But we wanted to understand what the consumer side of that would be. How do consumers react to this? And how does that play into some of these issues we may. AC sales delays for example that organizations are coming to us and having questions about how we use their data and that is paralleled by what we saw on the consumer side. Where more more and more consumers are asking questions about how the data's being used and are willing to make choices when they perhaps are less comfortable with it so that really drove us to get into this and then I just say finally we want to continue to be leaders in this space? I mean the the idea of having appropriate and ethical use of data Is something that we all care about and helps create the the kind of world that we all want to live in. Well let's go through the survey together but it was. We were some of the key findings on a number of things that we saw in looking at at this Survey pull pull in the end. This was a global survey drawing on twenty six hundred respondents across twelve countries and one of the first and biggest things we found was the emergence of more consumers boomers who are willing to do things to help protect their data. I think it's been in the press for awhile. That consumers say they care about privacy but it doesn't Esley translate into action so we tested was people who say they care about privacy. Save that they're willing to spend time or money to do things to try to protect their data better and finally to take third and most important test have they made choices have they changed providers or others who they work with because of their or perhaps lack of comfort with the day policies or data practices of these organizations and the answer that was yes and so what we found is full. Thirty two percent of consumers met all three of those tests and to be. That's a brand new insight coming to the market because we haven't seen before evidence of large numbers of consumers who in fact have make choices Spending money doing things making changes in order to protect their data. And so we we talk a lot about that and what that might mean for the future and why it's important. The two companies to think about that third of of their customers who today are already making choices how should companies be acting order to keep them. What should they? Perhaps that'd be doing To embrace or encourage customers who may be not happy with what they're getting elsewhere to come to them It's a big. It's a big opportunity and threat for companies needs to think about so Do you see this as being sort of shift from security or privacy being a an obligation to perhaps being a competitive advantage absolutely the started off being a compliance driven activity where organizations felt they had to check the box to do certain things to be ready for. GDP are or other privacy. Is he regulations in their country. And what we found both looking at the corporate side and the individual side is that there's so many other benefits that go well beyond that compliance idea For organizations it's all of the benefits. They may get not just avoiding fines that have so far been very significant or affecting most companies and for for consumers. It's not a check. The box exercise saying yeah. You know I I met with some regulation. I'm it's about treating their data properly and this is so much now. Part of the brand. You know one one of these things that these privacy actives. This group of people that we we've identified has said is that they see how data is being treated as an indication of how they themselves els are being treated. It's a component of the brand and of the overall customer experience and they won't even go to a company ninety one percent of them said we won't even buy from a company if we don't trust Howard data's going to be used news so it's well beyond that okay. Did you meet some requirement or check the box and it's very much about the trust the brand that the customer experience and the overall relationship that the company has with you. So what are the take homes than for those on the professional side. Who are responsible for this data? We can they learn from your findings. Well I think the biggest thing is to understand where they stand with respect to their own customer base is if thirty two percent of the worldwide population is now taking action. A I every company should be thinking about what it means for their own customer base. Is this something that they are doing well and exceeding the customers expectations or perhaps not and they need to make some changes Um You know good example. This is just being clear and transparent with how your data's being used actually something Cisco we put a lot of effort on to try to tell people exactly how data's used in any of our products products and services and of course we encourage all companies to do the same we believe in that simplicity transparency is very important to the customer. And if you want to keep them as customers and perhaps grow that Vase Ace That's very important. It's all about that trust and then finally on this I think the biggest concern that many consumers still have and many of them are still saying despite all this. I'm still not sure that I can fully protect my data you know is is giving them Sort of the tools to get that that simple and transparent view you know. Don't make it hard for them to figure out how you're using their data go the extra mile. Maybe perhaps what's more than than what's required to build a comfort level note. Let all of your customers know what rights h they have and what protections they have with respect to how you're using their data aside from from the thirty two percent number which I personally I find surprising. I wouldn't have expected it to be that high but were there any other surprises in the survey anything that That you learned that you didn't expect it at your right to comment on the thirty two percent. Exactly how we're seeing that it being A A a big change from what people have seen before the I think it may be the beginning of an even larger group of people so in addition to the thirty two to percents that met all three of our tests. There's another thirty five percent of the population out. There that met the first two tests. They said they care about privacy. They said they're willing to act by spending time and money. They see privacy is a buying factor. But they haven't yet done that third test of actually making a change. I think as this continues companies. Don't do the right things. We're GONNA see many more of them make that that change and we could be looking at not at thirty two percent you know. But it's something north of two thirds of the population who are taking a more active stance with respect to protecting their data. I think that's a big story Oregon. I wouldn't ignore a third but I certainly would recommend everybody thinking about what the world looks like when two thirds of your customer base our knowledgeable and willing to make choices to protect their information nation. That's Robert Weightman. Cisco's director of Data Privacy on their consumer privacy survey and that's the cyber wire thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire possible especially are supporting sponsor observe it the leading insider threat management platform perform learn more at observe it dot com. The cyber wire podcast is proudly produced in Maryland out of the startup studios of data tribe with their co building. The next generation of cybersecurity teams and technology are amazing. Cyber wire team is Elliott Peltzman Stefan. Zero Kelsey. Bond Tim no Dr Joe Kerrigan again. Carol -Tario Nick Valenki Bennett. Mo- Chris Russell John Patrick Jennifer Ivan Peter Guilty and. I'm Dave Bittner. Thanks for listening uh-huh.

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Mac OS Ken: 12.04.2019

Mac OS Ken

20:01 min | 1 year ago

Mac OS Ken: 12.04.2019

"It is Mac. Os Apple may not roll over for Russia. Apple shares dropped on trade war talk and Apple Music Awards or apparently apparently a thing. It's Wednesday the fourth of December twenty nineteen. I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from Mac. Os S. can brought to you by yours truly and sponsored by Eero the home wifi system. That goes anywhere and covers everywhere. Get get free overnight shipping with offer code mce West Ken at E. R. O.. Euro Dot com slash Mac. Os can had. This show was also sponsored by squarespace. Your Place Online. Can you think of a thing that you used to rely on other to do do that you do for yourself. The remember the moment that you realized that you could do whatever that was for me. One of those moments was building. My first sight was squarespace. Pass Iteration D'Amato Wisconsin had been built by others. I was sure that I would mess. This up squarespace makes it also simple simple. I had the first part of my first sight done in minutes I did. I'm questions about one thing so I was glad for the squarespace customer support it twenty four hours a day seven days a week help is just an email away. I love their templates. I love their editing tools. Mostly though I love the fact that I can build and maintain my own site. See what you can do with squarespace go to squarespace dot com slash Mac. Os Ken for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer Code Moco West Ken the save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain. Start Your free trial today. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code Mac. Os can to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain at squarespace dot com slash. Moco West Ken and a huge thanks to squarespace for sponsoring this week show. It looks like apple is showing teeth or backbone or some sort of calcified something in the face of new Russian law. I told you last week about coming legislation in Russia that will require phones. Computers and tablets sold their to come with russian-made APPS preinstalled. The proposal was signed into law on Tuesday Newsday by Russian President Vladimir Putin it goes into effect on the first of July twenty twenty in describing the new rules that piece from macrumors says proponents of the law claim. It will help. Russian developers better compete with foreign tech firms to legislation also been pitched as a way of sparing consumers ars from having to download software after purchasing a new device. Some people opposed to the law. Say it'll be difficult to implement while others worried not required APPS could be used to spy on Russian citizens. And what will apple do well. We still don't know the company doesn't seem to be going along with the new law. Quietly quoting macrumors again. Responding to today's news of the law an unnamed Apple Apple source reportedly told the commerce business daily a mandate third party. Applications to apple's ecosystem would be equivalent to jail shale breaking it would pose a security threat and the company cannot tolerate that kind of risk. There is reason to think that apple might not aww bend to the new rules. macrumors says Russian media reported earlier this year. That apple has previously threatened to pull out of the Russian market if a complete ban on selling its products without preinstalled APPS was introduced remember how day after day a last month I was bringing you. News of new Intra Day and closing highs for apple shares. Yet it may be a few days before you hear that again. Nothing to do with apple that rather it has to do with renewed uncertainty around the trade deal between the US and China while we've heard for weeks of a seemingly imminent deal between the two countries that Kinda got blown up on Tuesday. According to a piece from marketwatch stocks stocks suffered a third straight day of declines Tuesday after president. Donald Trump says it may take until after the twenty twenty US elections to complete a trade deal with with China while trade tensions escalated on other fronts including Brazil Argentina and France. The piece went on to say Stocks Fox slumped after trump said at a news conference in London where he was attending a NATO meeting that he had no deadline when it comes to concluding the two year old U. S. China trade talks in some ways. I think it's better to wait until after the election. If you want to know the truth but I'm not going to say that. I just think that that trump said in an apparent response Market Watch says China's Communist Party affiliated Global Times News Agency Z.. tweeted that China's government is prepared for even the worst case scenario and with that apple saw its biggest one day aid-drop since August according to a piece from I'm more shares. Were said by the peace to be down as much as three percent during trading on Tuesday that they ended only off one one point seven eight percent while I'm more says Apple's drop was due at least partially to the president's trade war comments one bullish Apple analysts seems willing to say such talk is entirely responsible according to I'm more wedbush analyst. Daniel lives wrote that apple continues. It used to be in the crossfire of the trade war and the company has the most to lose if this tariff war does not see truce going forward if an agreement is not signed up a will continue to see more of its products affected by tariffs with the latest set to go into effect on the fifteenth of December that assumes zooms that apple isn't offered the exemptions. It's been seeking from the White House. Last we heard at the end of November. The president was non-committal on Apple's request if your entry level twenty nineteen thirteen inch macbook pro has been taking unexpected naps. You are not alone. macrumors says apple has acknowledged instances of some models of those machines unexpectedly shutting down from time to time than a new support. Document apple outlines a few troubleshooting tips for people experiencing that trouble. The peace says those involved making sure the macbook Pro has its battery level rundown to below ninety percent connecting it to a charger quitting all open applications and letting it sleep and charge for at least eight hours once that's done apple encourages users to make sure they're running the latest version of Mac. Os If you do all that and your machine is still doing. The unexpected. Did shutdowns getting touch with apple for service. Here's a potentially troubling headline from apple insider iphone. Hi phone eleven profound to collect location data against users sendings. The Associated Story has security journalist. Brian Crabs seeming seeming to show apple's latest high end communicator collecting and transmitting location data. Even when location services for a given feature were turned off off according to the report crabs demonstrated the activity and a video captured on an iphone. Eleven pro running apple's latest IOS thirteen dot to dot three software which continues to collect GPS data for certain APPS and system services despite manual disablement of individual location cases services in iphone settings. Interestingly iphone eleven pro seeks GPS data even when an OPS location services switch is set to never ever request set information. Apple seems to indicate that this is well. Maybe not a feature. But the Cupertino Company doesn't doesn't seem to see it as a bug either a privacy policy on iphones. Location Services Actually says that given phone will periodically send the Geo tag locations of nearby Wi fi hotspots and cell towers where supported by a device and an anonymous and encrypted form to apple to to be used for augmenting this crowd source database of Wi fi hotspot and cell tower locations while Apple says that can be turned offer. Individual APPs crab says his video shows either iphone or I o s making exceptions for certain features. The video shows the little location services indicator the small Arrow icon that denotes a recent or current use of GPS data appearing next to absence services. That have been in manually disabled in settings there might be a problem with the video though. I mean the quality's fine but it's made in the course of two who minutes in it. CRABS GOES INTO SETTINGS AND TURNS OFF location services on some apple native services some that have indicator arrows and some that do not next. He talks the phone to airplane mode. Then he takes it out of airplane mode and the location services indicator arrows rose had been there are still there but if those arrows show recent use of GPS data. Wouldn't they still be on on a minute later. Krebs is good at what he does. But if this is an issue a better video might be better personally. I'm hoping for a bit more information while we wait. Apple insider says the only sure fire way to avoid intermittent. Gps Ping's on I phoned eleven pro is completely disabled. Location services in settings doing so however renders many iphone features useless. It's not often that we talk about the release of individual APPs on this show. Though the release of one was kind of heralded on Tuesday Tuesday. A number of sites including I download blog marked the return of the transit APP to Apple. Watch after what. The peace refers I who has a two year hiatus I download blog says the public transit info trackers returned to the wrist is a renewed vote of confidence for apple's wearable wearable. Yeah does sound fairly useful taking advantage of the GPS and your Apple Watch and iphone. I download bugs. Right up says says trends it helps you navigate. Your city's public transit system with real time. Predictions step-by-step Navigation Service disruption notifications departure. Turin stop reminders. And much more can't do everything alone though some features like directions and hailing. A new WBUR. Still Rely on associated. IPHONES said to be live over two hundred cities transit is a free application. It's available for iphone and and Apple Watch in their associated APP stores more news in a moment but first a word from Eero the home wifi system that goes anywhere and covers everywhere. Do you have a guest network setup at home. I never did until I got my eero. 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Ken and a big thanks to the euro for sponsoring this week show. It's award season at apple apparently Lee earlier this week. The company held a sort of under the radar event in New York City to honor some of the year's biggest APPS and games now tech that crunched says apple has announced the winners of the First Apple Music Awards. When did that happen partly yesterday and partly late today? Yesterday apple posted the names of the winners to its newsroom. Site curious about the best country artist. Best Acoustic best best barbershop quartet and that's a bit nuanced for Apple Music. According to tech crunch the apple music awards has five categories. It's it's editorial team. Picks the winners for global artist of the year. Songwriter of the year and breakthrough artist of the year album of the year and Song Song of the year are awarded based on streaming data. And the winters are Billy Island for global artist of the year ilitch and her brother phineas shared the award for songwriter of the year. The ilitch album when we fall asleep. Where do we go gets album of the year? Lizardo takes the title for breakthrough artist of the year. And the little ause acts song. Old Town road take song of the year and what better way to celebrate than to have the person who won sixty percent of the awards do what they did to get. Those awards. Tech Crunch says the Apple Music Awards will be streamed live on December four th at six thirty. PM Pacific Standard. Time from the Steve Jobs Theater. And Apple's Cupertino headquarters with with a performance by eyelash. That would be this evening. Coming to an eighth thing or Mac near you. What News of new documentary coming Apple? TV plus the Hollywood reporter says Apple has nabbed an untitled documentary presented by Oprah. We're a winfrey about alleged sexual misconduct in the music industry. The peace says the documentary helmed by oscar-nominated filmmakers. Kirby be dead and Amy Zerang will follow a former music executive who grapples with whether to go public with her story assault and abuse by a notable. Figure you're in the music industry pass films from the pair including the hunting ground and the invisible war have garnered a number of nominations and awards. An apples established question Oscar. It seems likely that the unnamed documentary will have at least a short theatrical run before hitting apple streaming service. No Word on when any of that might happen. The peace simply says the film is set to debut next year. If you're looking for something ending new from apple you'll soon have a new place to buy it. I'm more says. Apple has announced the opening of its tenth store in Japan Apple Kawasaki Asset Open on Saturday the fourteenth of December according to the report. The new store will open an Lasana Kawasaki Plaza which is an open air mall plays host host to around two hundred eighty stores and eateries that little bit of apple history up for auction. This evening. We'll end up with a big big price tag and as of this recording bidding for the Macintosh system tools version six zero floppy disk autographed by Steve. Jobs stands at thirteen thousand thousand three hundred ten dollars early bids last through the day with the live auction starting at six. PM Eastern best to lock and finally today a bit about apple history. We can all access. If you're a MAC. Fan like of the original Macintosh variety. Andy Hertzfeld video for you. Call to mock says Herzfeld. One of the original members of the Macintosh team has uploaded. What an unseen series of nineteen eighty three interview snippets and tended to be used for Matt Katz? The many interviews with the likes of Herzfeld. Mike Murry Burrell Smith. Bill Atkinson Susan Care and George Crowe talking about apples then in development computer kind of a down home take considering the AD apple ended up going with instead rather than the people who made the Macintosh telling others how to use it. And why why. They might want to apple. Tease the Macintosh with Ridley Scott's iconic nineteen eighty-four Super Bowl Ad. You can catch catch. Herzfeld never used clips on Youtube Mac. Os Cab brought to you by me and sponsored by squarespace get ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain with coupon code. Moco West can can at squarespace dot com slash mce West can. This show is also sponsored by EERO. Get free overnight shipping with offer Code Moco West Ken at E R O hero dot com slash Mac. Os can advertising handled by backbeat media online at backbeat media DOT COM. You can reach me a couple of ways INFO INFO at Monaco West Ken Dot Com or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until that and that is news from Moscow West Ken. I'm Ken Ray Ah Chow.

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Mac OS Ken: 03.11.2019

Mac OS Ken

11:09 min | 2 years ago

Mac OS Ken: 03.11.2019

"The. This is MAC OS, Ken. Augmented reality glasses may be a reality soon. Some phones may have an imperceptible issue and two stories on style. It's Monday the eleventh of March twenty nineteen I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from Moco west Ken brought to you by yours. Truly and sponsored by simply safe. Get a jump on protecting your home at SimpliSafe dot com slash MAC. OS? Can this show is also supported by people like Hugh, patrons through patriarch and find out more in that your support that patriae dot com slash MAC? OS can. You know, how I hate product. Rumors. Well, never mind I am so excited about the possibilities of augmented reality that I can't help but be excited about the latest rumor from Tf international analyst Mingji quo nine to five MAC has young MC saying that Apple's first a are glasses will go under production as early as the fourth quarter of this year. And no later than the second quarter of twenty twenty mentions. I've seen make much of the fact that the first round of air specs will be heavily dependent on the iphone Cording nine to five MAC. The analyst says the AARP glasses will essentially act as a display only with the actual computing rendering internet, connectivity and location services coming from the iphone in the user's pocket. It is assumed that the pairing will work wirelessly like apple watch. But the report does not state that explicitly the site says quos supposition raises ambi-. Questions like how much battery life on your iphone will need to be sacrificed to drive the experience on your face. Even with the iphone for a brain. Apple still has to design a lot of the technology into the glasses. Like the display and companion depth sensors that the heavy lifting will happen on iphone is not surprising the depth sensor. Bit is likely key. This is going to be as bad as waiting for apple watch. No, this is going to be worse than waiting for apple watch. We may have to go back to ignore in these stories assuming there is plentiful as they seem likely to be. There may be a problem with some phone tennis. And I phone tennis max units. Actually, there may be a problem with all of them cult. The MAC says some users of Apple's latest flagship phones are reporting animation stutters after leaving their headsets idle for around ten seconds. Sounds like a problem though, it apparently doesn't look like one quoting the report if you own iphone, tennis or ten s max, it seems there's a good chance your handset has this problem. It's a widespread issue. And according to some reports, it's likely everyone Ables latest handsets suffers from it it so small, however that you won't notice it you have to be aware of the issue and examine your iphones animations closely to witness it, and even then you might not be able to tell the difference. Thank goodness for this them. You might not notice though, it seems a lot of people have called the MAG has word of one thread over forty pages long on apple support for him covering the stuttering issue. The site also tells users how to see the problem for themselves. But you know, what I'm not gonna share that here. If you're not seeing it why look for it. If you have noticed the issue and wonder what the fix will be. You're not alone. According to the peace apple is yet to comment on the issue or even acknowledge it, and there is no fix and its most recent I O S twelve to betas for now. Then the only thing we can really do is try to ignore it. A new apple patent may lead. Detect will keep the law out of your hands or really out of your hand held devices. I lounge highlights report from the telegraph out of the UK that says apple has patented technology to prevent police from tracking the locations of mobile phone users or reading their messages, according to the piece the system would encrypt signals sent between mobile towers and phones of end users if emblem than the tech would neutralise sting rays. Those are devices used by police that sort of mask themselves as mobile towers when a phone connects to one of those instead of an actual cell tower. The Stingray operator is able to track the locations of users or listen to their calls, according to the peace. They can also identify the location of a phone and read messages sent to and from the device under the new tag. The piece says the mobile subscriber identification number would be scrambled. Under device would apparently be shielded against eavesdropping messaging could still be read. According to the report, though, tracking would be made much more challenging if you're wondering one. This tech will roll out. It's not a question of when right now. But if while the patent was registered in two thousand seventeen and published last month, it's unknown whether apple plans to move the tack from the patent in produced machines. More news in a moment. But I word from SimpliSafe twenty four seven home security with no contracts and no catches fright alarm panic. There are so many words for fear and one word that counts for home security, simply safe simply safe is home security that knows it feels good to fear less. This is award-winning protection that garnered tons of praise from around the tech world the birds call simply safe the best home security. It's one readers choice from PC magazine. It's a two-time winner of seeing that's editor's choice and a wire cutter top pick stop fear at the door with SimpliSafe try simply safe with free shipping and free returns. You'll get a sixty day risk-free trial to order now and have your home protected within a week. Go to SimpliSafe dot com slash mecca. West. And get started today. S I M P L I. That's SimpliSafe dot com slash mecca. West can be sure to go there. So they know you heard about it here. Simplisafe dot com slash MAC. OS can. Will end the day with two stories on style. Apples picking a fight with Norway's progress party coal to mock says the Cupertino company is fighting the firm script pets over its logo. Which is an apple it looks very different from Apple's. Apple the progress. Party's is bright red got a Brown stem and green leave coming off the top. And it's gonna letter f- right in the middle signifying the party's name. It has been the party logo for thirty years. According to the cult, however says the site recent tweaks to the design caught the eye of apple prompting the tech giant file a formal complaint with the Norwegian patent office in a letter to that office. Apple's attorneys said the objection is based on the fact that the registered Mark is likely to be confused with our clients. Previously registered writes doesn't sound like the problem is actually. With the logo as much what it'll be used for last year the party registered logo for new uses. Those now include digital media, stationary campaign, Schwab and other promotional purposes, according to the peace or they will if they can come to terms with Cupertino the party secretary general says people shouldn't mix the two logos up. One stands for a company that makes electron IX while the other stands for an organization that makes policy for government. The two sides have until the middle of made a hammer something out, otherwise the patent office says it'll have to reconsider the political parties trademark standing and finally today if you frequent the playlists made by and four apple music, you may have noticed him particularly artsy album art of late macrumors has short piece on a long piece from the verge explaining the changes. They've heard from Apple's global. Director of editorial Rachel Newman that Apple's working with established album cover artists to freshen the look of the playlists they're doing that using decidedly classic design the Cording to macrumors operas using original art work from well known artists like the creator of the AC DC logo for playlists never to bring instant recognition to its content and better connect with different communities. Newman says the new graphics and older styles or each meant to be a visual representation of the music that you will find inside the playlist if your favorites have the same old generic look give it a minute apple plans to redesign many thousands of apple music playlists. According to the report with new artwork rolling out over the course of the next few months. Mac OS can brought to you by me and sponsored by simply safe. Got a jump on protecting your home at SimpliSafe dot com slash MAC. OS? Can this show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriot? Find out more in that your support that patriot dot com slash MAC. OS can advertising handled by backbeat media online at backbeat media dot com. You can reach me a couple of ways info at MAC OS, Ken dot com or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until then that is news from Moco west, Ken. I'm Ken Ray. Chow?

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Episode 104, COVID-19 location tracing using your Apple iPhone

Mac Minutes

14:08 min | 7 months ago

Episode 104, COVID-19 location tracing using your Apple iPhone

"Lock up to the mic minutes. Podcast episode one hundred four colon nineteen location tracing using your apple iphone minutes. Podcast where you'll hear about the world of apple and how technology can help you work smarter personally and professionally. We will give you the news. You can use in minutes not hours. That's why this is the mac minutes. Podcast i'm your host john scudder from alaska's largest city anchorage in this episode. We will teach you how to with one thousand nine location trace using your iphone. I open never need to use this. It's a good skill. No one case you or a friend is faced with covid. A loss talked to a friend who has used this technique and we will hear their story. This is an important episode. let's go to the show. Lasca state health officials this week. Issued a new alert urging alaskans who test positive for covid nineteen to notify their own contacts due to a surge in new cases. That has strained the state's ability to keep up alaska's no different than many other states in the severity of covid nineteen. Can you trace back where you've been over the past week with accuracy and without some significant thought it would take me a while and i'm sure would not be completely accurate. You're about to learn how to make it perfect with your iphone. You can have the data in minutes because your iphone knows where you are at all the time and where you've been in a second we'll show you how to trace back days if not weeks into your past. This part of the procedures important apple takes privacy very seriously in the data is stored on your iphone and not elsewhere. Furthermore you need your password to get the data. Prepare yourself for shock when you look at your history. It will show you your location time frequency and a map. You can notify people who you might have come in contact within minutes. Why isn't this common knowledge. And being publicized when lives are at stake. I'm not sure. Why here. At the mac minutes podcast will make sure you know how awful you can delete location services and turn it off if you prefer. It's really a neat way to track back without a lot of thought this might be a convenient time to stop the podcast here while you get your iphone and then we'll get started here. Are your steps. Open your iphone settings then tap on privacy select locations services then tampon system services. Scroll down until you see significant locations. It's at the bottom tap on it. You will see history press on that you will now see your history with every place you've been on a map times and locations. You can take a screenshot of the different locations in print them out in a few minutes. Be able to transcribe them and make meaningful notifications to all those based on fact and not guess more than likely after the entry reminds you of the visit. You'll be able to expound on the specifics of the visit in detail almost to the point where some people may wonder how you were able to recite such diary. Alaska like many states is recording record. Numbers of new covert cases. Here the number has been the highest dispense since march on most days in the past. Two weeks hospitalizations are awful rising to new records daily. We hit a new record of deaths in alaska this week. This is the same news. Were hearing in many states with tools. Like your iphone. A lot more people could be tracing their location or providing to a contract tracer if you are so lucky. There's a friend of mine liana that we worked through her own personal cova case with her husband. Leeann is a long time apple enthusiasts in a former. It program administrator. I'll tell you her story here in a minute. When i was done helping lee anna and her husband i was shaking my head. Why more people aren't aware of this procedure. Why am i heard this from contact. Tracing experts who should be smarter than i am and informing my fellow alaskans. I was shell shocked later. After researching further this procedure has received some publicity. But i can tell you. It is nowhere near publicized that needs to be in my opinion. Let's listen to a call with leeann after the stressful situation as significantly diminished either. Liana this is john scudder from them. Mac minutes podcast. Hi i wanted to talk to you about your covert story and using location tracing on your iphone okay We went to get tested Because of an article we read in the anchorage news dispatch news at requested. Everyone get tested whether or not you have symptoms and out of the time we were showing any symptoms so we went to Change point and and got our tests but it took instead of seventy two to five days to get The results back and dale came back positive. So we do Wrack our brains out to figure out where we he might have been exposed and he asked me the question Does your phone know where you and i said. Well let me google. At and i did and came across You know a youtube and said how to get there so Most of the places that were on our list they say to go past three to five days from the day you test and all the places that were we could think we were fully masked and everybody else around us as well But then i remembered his visits At rotary meetings where he spent an hour and a half there and He mostly masked there except when his food and drink come so I couldn't remember his last visit. Because i had asked him not to go any longer to the live Tation so we went to location services and it Tracked him to november fifth as being his last. Visit our test with november sixteen. So my next question was how long is the incubation periods from exposure and then google back to and it said anywhere from two to fourteen days we were within that window and So that's how we kind of come to the conclusion that that may have been one of the places that he had been exposed if he did have his mask off for a little bit But many days later i had remembered that he had a student visit on november eighth and that student drove up from cordova And spend about four hours with dale on jewelry making. They initially were math but There were points that which their masks were off because they were soldering and and doing other things So that's the second Possible point of exposure. But i would like to add that Students at her husband gets tested every week. But that doesn't you know that doesn't show where she just because he tested So you can you know. Take that for granted so hard location tracing help in your determining your locations well. The biggest thing was We could not remember when dale last visit to rotary was. He said and he hadn't been there in three weeks. And i said i don't think so. I think it's shorter than that. And so when we went to location services it did indeed show that he had been there within that window of of When exposure exposure window do you think location traces go is valuable to somebody. Who maybe i'll and asked to travel for work or recreation. Yeah i i really do tax you. Well it tells you how long it took to drive there but it also tells you how long you've been there. If you put on the patient. So i think that's pretty valuable house. Our things going now deal is still a dramatic. Tomorrow is thanksgiving day. Tomorrow he will be able to have thanksgiving with me he will supposedly no longer infectious We ought never know if he had Actually had the disease until we get an antibody tests. I have remained negative l. and mentioned that we took a second test because it was recommended for me to take the second test to make sure that i was negative And dale took the second test as well and that came back negative. But you still have to treat the positive even though he has a negative. Oh thank you for telling us your story and Telling us about how location services made a difference in your Search very they're helpful did a contact tracing ever ever call you. Yes and that's another thing She called yes you're gay. I think it was yesterday and So that's eight after dale's Original positive test and so Basically your own contact tracing and The nurse had said that about all those people who test positive fifty percent of them are agents dramatic but still shed the disease the virus. I could see where in those eight days if you have a positive result and you can use location. Tracing you can inform a lot of people prior to contractors are calling you and having them do their work you're supposed to isolate or quarantine Way you get your test you you have until somebody tells you what the results are. You shouldn't go anywhere until you get your resume. That's really important. All right well thank you for your time and telling your story. I wish the best for you and dale and Thank you for supporting the mac minutes. Podcast and listening in helping others. You welcome bye for now. I'd like to think again. Liana dale for sharing their covert story and location. Tracing with the mac minutes podcast and urge you to please share this podcast. If you know anyone who needs to location trace and owns an iphone after say this podcast is more than an apple enthusiasts talking about his hobby. This information needs to be mainstream. If you have a question for me please reach out to the show at the email address or text. The phone number on the mac minutes website. You can also leave a note in the comments page at the website. Oh the answer them in a future episode again. The webpage is located at mac. Minutes dot be l. u. b. r. r. y. Dot net other places are at twitter at minutes underscore. Mac and facebook at mac minutes. I urged also join the mac minutes podcast group on facebook where i post articles from the top tech. Journalists people can topics post articles. Join special events and other great tech happenings for all the mac minutes listeners. Out there. I hope all of you and your loved ones are well and look forward to hearing from you in the next podcast. So that's all we have for mac minutes. Thank you again for. Listening and mac minutes is available. I've apple podcast. Google podcasts spotify. Iheart radio cast box desert and many other of your favorite podcasts platforms. Take care of yourself during the upcoming holiday week and we will talk to you soon as we venture onward on the mac minutes podcast be safe. Be nice and stay. Well have a happy holiday season and again for listening.

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5. Im a Little Cold

The Thing About Pam

35:28 min | 1 year ago

5. Im a Little Cold

"So this is the place this is almost as hot as it was the day of the day investigator Ryan Hill Katie and I took a walk over to Pam's home and o'fallon Missouri it was August two thousand nineteen three years after he got dragged into a whole new chapter of the Pam Up Saga. It started with her call to nine one one. I'm online where's your margins. Hey Hey hello this in my house and ended with five gunshots and a dead man when he got to the neighborhood that day he told me on the neighbors route lots of cars. There's police cars pretty quickly. The media showed up story twisted new developments in a deadly shootout fallon Missouri leaning in versus four with breaking taking you Jacob Long just finished questioning investigators at the police department. There was an intruder infamous neighborhood. I would say it goes beyond that. Did you know initially as you came up here who you're dealing with initially when the call came in it was reported as Pam Huff Hossa fs yes so originally there was no tie in no a Ha moment until we got here and somebody clarified that it was the pam hub and e Japan up yeah her name and circumstances surrounding her are pretty well known and in this area Pam had called Falun Police Day hey for help. A violent intruder was in her home as Brian Hill can walk through the scene though red flags popped up right away mm-hmm entering through the garage. There's a garage door that leads into the house. That's where the gentleman was that had been shot laying right there. Once we're able all to maneuver around him. There was a door to the bedroom which is where Pam said that this gentleman was trying to force his way and the first thing aside from that body that stuck out obviously a couple of things when you're surveying seen that you're looking for that to see if it matches up with initial statements the nine one one call obviously we were looking for some sign of struggle some type of forced entry. There was none of that one of the things that we found very peculiar was a swat of harp at that had been cut out that was directly underneath the gentleman that had been shot almost like it'd been purposely placed there. That's swath swath of carpet had protected pans good carpet underneath from the gruesome mess just a piece that had been cut out and lay there and he was very conveniently lying on it was now that is strange. A Lotta strange things investigators in Lincoln in county were betsy died taken at face value but for investigator hill cody that was becoming harder and harder by the minute. I knew at that point that was going to be a media circus that there was going to be a lot of scrutiny on the case led in high profile people wanting to know what was going on. He had to move fast and I knew we had to do it right so he got to work. I'm Keith Morrison. This is the thing about pam a podcast from dateline. NBC So pity not long after the shooting Pam sat alone in an interrogation room. I'm a camera was trained on her. She was sitting at a round table wearing a navy blue shirt. Clean tennis shoes neon Lisa's her expression gave away. Nothing cold water to investigators hitters with Fallon. Police entered the room. Pam looked unruffled tidy. Even is found because I always appear on the news isn't disease but an incident investigator asked about her morning and and Pam's voice was almost breezy as she ran through her routine Carolina shower our guest walk the dog God gas used her Loyalty Card for her daily Soda Title One St Soda You get one free after so many he'd just escaped a violent attack back shot the intruder five times it had been one hell of a day but time couldn't stop talking about all these ahrends she had run the sodas. She'd had to drink say without some type of tactical training or were trying offers training is to fire and then approached the target Zeitz shooting you guys were on tactical movement target on the train and her demeanor seemed odd to investigators Brian Hilton Larry McLean. How would they have described her attitude lackadaisical lackadaisical for someone who just shot someone who just entered their home and tried to kidnap her very cash you here's what Pam said happened when she met her attacker? She just gotten home to let her dog out then she got into card had the best buy so as I start pulling out I noticed as I was backing their car came down really fast on Cross Street and whipped right in front of my driveway happened so fast she was startled couldn't think of what it could be jumped out and then he ran ah halfway up to try where I was hard and he jumped on my car opened up the door and jumped in my car and a nice as this. This stranger forced his way into her car. He was yelling at me to the bank and get raises. Money came into begging me to the bank. Hello Ross's money Russ Faria. Apparently this attacker wasn't alone. He'd been dropped off. I kept looking over his shoulder his accomplice not exactly so subtle and did pam a good look at the driver. Why are yes? She did dark here with how the Buzz dark skin like Hispanic Mendy the that sounded a little like Ross Faria was pam suggesting Ross was the driver indeed Ritchie was and this stranger just inches from her was still screaming but before that could happen Pam escaped went inside her house where her attacker chaser she ran into the bedroom called nine one one the man tried breaking down her door and she fired cash. You asked you say you pull her exact words. I advanced on the man and fired until I heard click. Click Click now that sounded like something a military veteran would say investigators. Yoki cokie told me he immediately thought this sounded scripted but he wanted to hear pam connect the dots so he asked what what was this demand about Russ's money Pam told investigators the backstory as if they didn't know as if the whole neighborhood didn't know about the deep pam hop famine the prosecution's key witness against Ross Faria and now apparently Russ wanted his wife's insurance money. Hey it sounded like a revenge plot but was it. The police were quickly to nail down the facts in in this case they identified the dead man on the carpet using fingerprints man named Luis Gump Burger thirty three years old Blue Eyes Brown hair but when investigators spoke to Louis his mother she told them some important information about her son the fact that not only do they not have the mental capacity to perform a ransom kidnapping murder for hire. He was physically unable to do the basic things such as running it turned out lewis been in a terrible car accident years before one one that left him with severe brain damage and nerve damage in one arm is disabilities made it very unlikely that he could have done what Pam claimed and the evidence did not suggest a violent break in as much as something far more twisted the police releasing prosecutor gathered the media for a press conference to lay out their case good afternoon everyone on August sixteenth of this year. We're in about twelve ten that date Lewis Gothenburger was shot and killed by Pamela up while he was that her residence the investigation began on that date that very first day of the crime scene investigators found the additional carpet. No signs signs of forced entry by that wasn't all nine hundred dollars in cash was found in the dead man's pocket crime scene investigators instigated took pictures of every one of those bills and what would they show some bills Lewis is pocket were sequentially matched to a one hundred dollars bill in Pam's bedroom the bedroom he never made it into effect. We checked with sticking service and they said the chances of that happening in a vacuum. If you will astronomical right astronomical it turned out gum and burgers his pocket was a treasure trove be at a handwritten note on him to county prosecutor. Tim Lomar explained during the presser in engulfing burgers pocket appeared to be instructions for gump and Burger to kidnap hop get russes money from hop at her bank and then kill hub. It's not every day a murder. Plot is so neatly laid out. Most people prefer to cover their tracks bought what apparently rusted hired a Hitman for revenge who carried hand written instructions to kidnap steal and kill okay from the very beginning nothing about this attempted break-in felt right starting was the nine one one phone call. All A man was charging at pam threatening to kill her and her first word to the nine one one operators. Hey that's right. Hey this year it again. Hey hello this in my how help address you're giving you your in your wife now. I'm not getting in the CAR Makino up. You know it sounds like a bad play player bad script. It just sounded like somebody stage acting poorly black right now but the biggest red flag was the silence on the line before Pam spoke up. It's complete silence. If there is a complete struggle we should have been able to hear all that there's no sound no communication until the operator says nine hundred which are emergency and one of the big indications to me that was staged was most people don't realize that before you get picked up by dispatch etched near call's being recorded when pan I called there were no sounds of struggle no signs of violence. It's just a bad actor but the investigation wouldn't be over until they solved one mystery. What brought Lewis was to Pam's house that day? Eventually the police would have an answer for that to hey. It's Josh megawatts from dateline. Do you need your true crime. Fix on the go. Dateline episodes are now available in podcasts mysteries the twist from dateline subscribe now so you don't miss an episode. We'll soon tell you how the police connected Pam and Louis. It's a story that stranger than fiction but just to put your mind at ease about Ross. We're GonNa tell you right now. The police quickly ruled him out story pointed directly at Russ again but too many contradictory clues were left like Catnip for police and Russ he wasn't about to take the fall he went right over to the fallon police to set the record straight. We're able to confirm confirm. His alibi voluntarily provided cell phones as well as a handwritten statement but for what that note boat in Lewis's pocket it also mentioned his last name for Rea- so Russ needed to prove he couldn't have written that note and he had to and do it right in front of the police and investigator gave Rustic Clean White Notepad Russ held a pen ready for instructions stevie follow the investigator read the note found at the Crime Scene New Lawn little then Russ road out word for word blonde older and short and it's to lines Ken hub hub car garage for the record rusted already told the police he didn't know anybody who went by the name Stevie the investigator tore off the writing sample from the White Pad and then they started again one hundred eight thousand one eight zero the Stevie follow over and over cat six zero one two Russ wrote the note more than half a dozen times. You could skip two lines older two one eight as the minutes past his hand began to tire people. Don't write like that anymore. Once he was finished. Police were able to confirm what Ross I knew all along so we did actually eventually send that letter off to a handwriting specialist and he after his analysis stated that note that was found Mr Burgers pocket was not rushes he'd been clearing his name not just for the better part of an hour but for several years at this point so how did Russ a recently Freedman feel about being twice targeted twice by Pamela up creates a lot of anxiety a nervousness. Sometimes you don't even know what to think or feel. You're this man had more patients than anyone should be expected. Dad Ross went home. He hadn't hired hired a hit man and he hadn't put Lewis in the line of fire but the question was how on earth did Lewis meet his killer well to piece this together. We have to go back to PAM's interview with the police just after she shot Louis when I spoke with McLean Milky Hokey. They told me she had made a crucial error at the end of the meeting detective Larry McLean explained before she left. She mentioned that she called nine one from her cell phone. The cell phone was in her hand and the detective asked for permission to search phone right and she gave it inch gave it and I immediately took it to our cybercrime lab where I was stationed and began to process that piece of the gold mine there it was way more than just a little gold mine. The phone was linked to a Google G. L. and its location location services history was able yes you heard that right her entire tire location history had been on the Taman already accounted for this right she told them in interview that she'd been out out and about running errands all day but Brian Milk yet another theory she was trying to establish your alibi that if for whatever reason we were able title to locate her cellphone hitting off a cell tower in the area of our victim she would have an alibi to why she was there but she didn't expect was Larry found and this is where things get really good all right. Why did you find so I could see location history and I could see her travelling? The information is extracted from the phone is broad strokes so I immediately really did an emergency search warrant to Google for their records and we got that information back fairly rapidly it. It turned out Tom had been driving all through low. Income neighborhoods like Lewis's for days for weeks searching for a target so you're able to actually draw where she not only today the murder the days prior there was one of those moments that I will and if I look back on my entire law enforcement career that is probably one of my most profound moment when the search warrant material came back. I'm sitting in this lab if the dark room around base screens and it looks like the Starship Enterprise Command Center and get the data and I put into Google Google Earth to plot and cooler says this great feature where you see the entire Globe and then it opens up an expands and but but what if I just see the pens for the entire flu and then I scroll in a scroll in and I can see when she left the house everywhere Russian scroll and Scroll in I stopped. There's a pin on his apartment. Looks Louis Government burgers apartment complex Bingo How long was she there? Approximately three to five minutes and then immediately the location has free goes from there right back to the House Pam's house but did McLean and hokey stopped there no they didn't they took our location information one step further so what we did was everywhere that we could plot she had been BRIANCON auteuil teams. We just flooded the entire route for any possible camera footage and if Google said she was there and there was a camera she was that's right everywhere. Pam's phone showed she'd been they checked for a security camera. They got a lot of video tape of her but there was one shot in particular of Pam Ann Lewis that stuck with detective McLean right before her neighborhood is a bakery and I had will peace of location information that showed she was in front of that bakery should hit a data source and video and we have that video and and in the passenger seat vehicle. It's almost a ghost you see the victim going. I believe I think it was wind. In Tim. alomar watched a video lamar the county prosecutor and we all agreed that's Louis Comfort and that's when the decision was man to go arrest him hope that seemed to be about the end of it for the investigators right not quite because even though connecting them with Lewis might have been enough to arrest her. There was still a gap in the story. Why did Louis get in her car? What could possibly have been the lure we would soon discover that less than a week before Pam Gotten Louis into her car? She had targeted other victims. Only those attempts failed. They did however help police fill in the gaps. One of those people in particular had quite a story to share detectives got a tip that maybe they should give her a call. Her name was Carol Alford L. for my mind. A phone call from a detective in Saint Charles County Detectives Bureau Carol offered and I'm like you are told me. How can I help you carol? She's sharp as attack doesn't trust anybody. She doesn't know so she said ten. Tell me what this this is about like. We said trust no one but you did head down to the station where police told her they needed to know everything that happened at her house in August August tenth. I'm not the only thing that has happened in my house lately as crazy come by a couple of weeks ago and they're like well. Tell me about crazy. It was a Wednesday. She was at home when she better dog friendly Beagle go to the bathroom. A woman drove by in a black. Suv as Carol leaned against a Bannister Tur- on her front porch the driver waved and drove fast and before long the woman was back short chunky. She was actually wearing a scrub top. If I remember correctly was blue short blond hair the look on her face she had a permanent like grand smile like she just weirder weirder. She wasn't going anywhere. She just sat there. I doing my daughter. She's never growled in life. She's growl and she's going crazy so I can help hope you. You're kind of making my dog nuts. She kind of looked at me. She asked me where do you babysit first thing I thought was who asks the stranger especially in a trailer park if they babysit Carol suspicions were on high alert. The Carol was curious too so she heard the crazy broad out so so then she starts in with her whole. Do you notice somebody's to my response was I notice soundbite is. I'm not a moron just because I live in a trailer park. It was like okay. Where's he going with this out where she was going was unexpected? She said that she was a producer from dateline. Her name was kathy so a producer from Dateline Kathy. Her story went on said they were reenacting nine. One one call Said said the dateline had rented a trailer in the park so I was like okay you really you're up to something and she's like thousand dollars up front to help us on a thousand when you're done aw like we said trusts no one by the way dateline doesn't pay for interviews and we we definitely don't make nine one one call reenactments. We just don't do that kind of thing initially was lying but I'm still curious just to what she was up to you so carol let the ladies scheme play out a little more but before she got in the car she had this so-called so-called dateline producer pull into your driveway where she had security cameras. The cameras caught the woman's license plate Garo Zero brought her dog inside where she put a pocket knife up one sleeve of her sweatshirt in her front pocket. She had her cell phone and a kitchen knife. I'm Carol got in the car but when she asked a woman for an id the woman replied she would show her once they they were at the house a house near the mall not the trailer home. She originally mentioned that's okay. I don't WanNA get Carol convinced. The woman driver back home said she forgot to lock the front door. The lady said fine as long as it was quick. Once she got inside uh-huh she called the cops. I it's terrible for by song and I had a lady by my house. The human drove across into the course complying back out explained the whole story to actually get in her car. That's how anybody's web so we're bringing my cell phone and drive out of the day because L. dollars deal one one soundbite whereas in Lily Creek currently I actually had her pulled into my driveway so I could get this stuff on my dvr recorded thirty system because somebody goes missing my neighborhood because we forget during their interview with Carol Detectives had or look at six pictures to see if she could id the woman so we went through them the first time and I'm like okay I'll throw a second time and as he passed through the second time wait a minute and a grab the paper and he snatches away from us like if you want to see it again we gotta start all over. I was like okay okay flips. They're McGinnis like that's her. She'd been following the news. The woman picked out. Is that lady that killed that guy looks like shut up and getting the Kark mark things gone a little differently carol could have been Lewis. I was buying her BS. I'd be dead but wait. Bam didn't just tell carol she was a dateline producer. She made it personal. She told her she she was Kathy. My colleague our producer in Chicago got US thinking remember. When Pam was meeting her civil trial she he looked straight into the camera and said our work shed light on Pam's The let's call them inconsistencies so yeah Pam greeting was strange but it didn't really hit home for us until the day the Saint Charles County Prosecutor held his press conference? I was told by someone you must watch the press conference. You're going to be blown away. It was an understatement everything that the police chief and the prosecutor had assay was incredible to me. Every detail elicited elicited a Oh my gosh oh my gosh for me. I mean it was just like Oh my gosh oh my gosh about eight minutes in the prosecutor says and we have reason to believe that Pam posed hosed as a dateline producer to entice this guy into her car. This bad scheme must must've been thinking about it for quite some time. It was so intentional she just knew me. She knew other people might know that I'd been covering the case for a number three years at that point. I think she was just thinking how how can I come up with a plot some way to get rest free again and throw throw the heat off myself. She was conniving and she put this together. In a quote unquote thoughtful way my producer Christine osteen thought so too at this point we had already aired two reports on the betsy free a case and we're getting ready to era third report and each time we had asked pam hub to sit down for an interview with us so she knew we were working on these stories and so it seems strange that she was so friendly and you know wanted me to send to cathy her regards. It seemed Pam wanted to insert herself right into people's lives good control that way was that the thing about you know Kathy would ask for things like would you be able to give us a photograph. She always responded and wanted to sort of keep the conversation going. She just felt like she wanted to to have some control over where things were and and know so what we were doing I think she was kind of fascinated and maybe playing a little bit of a cat and mouse game with us. for all of us. Becoming part of the story is something we try to avoid through my years. Covering these cases criminals try to impersonate others. They pretend to be cops and firefighters the US false identities on the Internet. They pretend to be all kinds of things the more credibility the false persona has the more the unwitting victim is apt to trust them but when when this happened this Kathy thing well I was pretty shocked. Everybody was I've never been involved in a case where the person who was involved in essentially framing someone for murder when onto do more like test the boundaries see if they could get away with more. I've never met anybody like that and for the record Kathy wasn't all that impressed with impersonator panting. She is smarter than everybody but the prosecutor said that this scheme was no better than a middle schooler could come up with no fancy middle schoolers out there no offense indeed so what about time out of the rest of her middle school team play out well. Let me tell you it was betsy murder the set off a series of ripples but it would be Lewis's that sent up to prison now that police had a mountain of evidence suggesting Pam had murdered Louis they were ready to act to my former detectives who were promoted to sergeant actually made the physical arrest myself and another detective word the backup and we were the ones that actually transported her to the station. Now the time had been caught. I wanted to know how was she in the car. Cold calm odd now unless you're PAM. We were explaining to her. What was transpiring that you're being arrested for murder? We have a mountain of evidence and and you're not getting away with us after that Pam had one thing left to say early statement to me was a little cold. Can you turn down the AC so I'm a little cold. That's certainly one way to describe it next time on the thing about Pam. 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"This is upgrade upgrade episode two hundred and sixty three today. Show is brought to you by winnowed express. VPN and door dash. My name is Mike Kelly. I'm joined by Jason Snow. Hello Jason Snow how Mike Hurley what a busy time it is. It's the most wonderful time of the year we have a Hashtag snow to a question. That comes comes from. Tom and Tom Wants to know Jason. Can you describe your ideal apple. Watch face a boy apple. Watch face Apple Watch face which way Apple Watch face or Apple Watch face. You see what I'm saying. Apple Watch face Apple Watch face. I want a I want analog cans and I went numbers in a circle like you can actually set California or utility. The classic one looks a lot like watches that I used to wear. I want the modern large complications circles on it so you with California. You can get a little bit of that but it doesn't have the circles on on on the inside there on the outside. I think actually the California face which I changed to just Arabic numerals. It's got a circle complication. I should also say one through twelve. I don't need seconds or the minutes or whatever and I also don't like it. When it's just like the twelve three six nine I won all twelve numbers. I I want that look I have a little circle complication above it. Which is my carrot weather and then you've got the four corner complications that works really well for me so I've actually been using that. The California faces it. There's so many different options you can have with the California face so you can have complications on that face. Yes you can 'cause I've been I've been spending some time on the watch website financial reasons playing around with the configuring thanks because its due diligence as a caster to play around with a configuration Yep. Things have been doing that and the ceramic watch ceramic. Watch which I've been looking for no reason just I've been looking you know like I've been looking at all of them. The white the havoc watch looks really good with the California face to face they used to show that one off and at the white and Black California face it looks pretty good and I just wanted to say just for the sake of saying it because I've been playing around with the white white ceramic with the black. What is it called the link Bracelet Yeah. It is a bold look. He's very stormtrooper. Look is a very very expensive watch. We're like in a little parenthetical bubble. Oh here inside Snell Talk but I'll share it with you that because I read about this stuff I tend to be getting a new apple watch every year and so that I can write about it so I'm always reluctant lucked into get anything but the cheapest apple but I will tell you titanium. I'm looking at it stainless. I kinda heavy and although there is the stainless black because I've been looking at titanium black stainless black and all that it's like doc. I if I was just a consumer getting a watch that I was going to use for the next few years. That would probably be what I would do. I'll probably just go aluminum space space gray as always. I've already got my order in because you know I spend too much money on apple watches because I need to do it for my job but I I will admit to looking at that titanium Sania not the ceramic so much that doesn't really do it for me but the the titanium one and thinking. It's Pricey but I'm also pretty you've been buying the aluminium one's going to the titanium is like a four hundred dollar jump but if you've been buying stainless steel it's a hundred so I it's it's another option to look at and I think at that point right but I like. It is a very very different very different calculation if you're going to that level but I'm just saying the white ceramic just say the air I love it. I I feel like the California face is is a great having only used watch. Os Six intently for like a week. I feel like that is really great because it's so flexible because you can change what it does in so many different ways and that means that he has it's one face but it can look dramatically different based on what you do my only complaint about it and this is what keeps it from being my ideal watch face. It's very close Tom. It's very close. This is the color issue where California face unlike other Apple Watch faces doesn't give you the option to set the color color of the watch face as in a mode that allows the complications to be multicolor right. It's monochrome only yeah so I like the Black Watch face not with a white dial the black dial so it's basically white on a black background and the only complaint I have about doubted that I would actually prefer my complications to be in color kind of they're not. They're monochrome but other than that that actually lets me. It's flexible enough that lets me get very close close to my Apple Watch face. I have to be honest this last year. I spent a lot of time using info graph modular and while it is incredibly functional so before I had a series of essentially swissarmy watches that looked very much like my ideal Apple Watch face with the kind of tasteful San Sarah numbers one through twelve around the dial and and I had I had one that was metal like brushed metal and before that I had one that I actually got when we got engaged that was it was a nice again not expensive but a nice watch before that I had a nerd watch. I had like a casio calculator. Watch at one point and infographics the calculator watch of Apple Watch faces. It's super nerdy but super functional and I have been using that a lot the last year but I I in the last week have been using that California face and I like it a lot better. I really do prefer having the watch hands and the complications. I you know it's just and complications around the side does mean that you don't have the watch hands moving in front of your data certain times of day. You're like I can't see this button right now. That's not great so around. ramic edges is a little bit better but again. I would really like it if I had the option to make those complications and color but otherwise it's very very close so thank you so much to Tom for sending in that question and allowing us to go on a wild couple of tangents there if you would like to stand on a Hashtag smell talk question to open on a future episode of the show to send out a tweet with that Hashtag and it may be included an as we're recording today is September sixteenth two two thousand seventeen which means that depending on what times I'm here in either today or tomorrow. Uh September seventeenth is five years. He is upgrade. Its five years of upgrade and five years of six colors dot com. Yep September sixteenth and the embargo on my iphone review was late in the day. I think it was like five. PM or something it was not in the early morning. It was late in the day as a result the relay FM MM CMS is in GMT and so it's dated September seventeenth in the cms but it was actually simultaneous tena with more or less with six dollars six colors had soft launched just so that it was there and ready to go but I wasn't pointing people to it until my review stuff stuff dropped and yeah so so five years right right now five years basically so we D-. We talked about two weeks ago right. We talked about it or three weeks ago for all the madness of draft and then a an iphone event but so you can go back and listen if you want to hear US reminisce about that but yes thanks to everybody. It's been a great five years. September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month and you can join St Jude Children's research hospital tool and relay. 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I want to thank everybody who's donated and everyone who continues to donate I wanNA thank you know all of podcasting friends here really fam- and elsewhere like wonderful guys over ATP to one of Java talking about this going into the Pug pastathon which is this Friday September twentieth from four to ten PM Eastern to be close to doubling Ling. Our original goal is incredible failing I wanNA double it and then some now and that's what I really hope can happen over the we're only halfway through. September like and we'll get to keep talking about this all September. I want everyone who's listening to this to join us on Friday four to ten PM Eastern. You can find some time in there. We've got some wonderful wonderful hijinks planned. We've got some really great stuff at work. I'm very excited about it. Jason's going to be Jason. Actually puts everything together for us which will allow means different to take a bit of a break which is awesome and you're gonNA. I love it. we are just absolutely blown away by the support of a wider podcasting audience. You're unbelieveable. Please continue to give you've got to Saint Joe. Dot Org slash pineapple to do that. You are actually not just making us feel happy for raising this money. You're making like a real effect like this. This is this amount of money is is making a real effect to Saint Jude. Now doubt is absolutely unbelievable so thank you generosity now. I like the fact in some people look at this and say well come on there so far above their goal that was obviously a low goal and then and then they were planning on it being more than that and that has a fundraising technique it does happen. I can exclusively report here that although you guys both told me that you expected to exceed your original goal you had a second goal in mind that you could unveil and and probably have that on the podcast on and I'll just point out out that your way over your second goal so this is a legitimate taken by surprise blow and the only thing we hit the seventy five two thousand dollars goal and then hit the one hundred thousand dollar goal that we had in mind the same day so I'll like within twelve hours so you know this point. We're absolutely blown away. Please continue to give let's just let's just keep doing this. You know there's no in is only good so thank you now. That'd that'd be great that podcast Yvonne. I'm looking forward to seeing that. It's IPHONE boxing your apple product release day basically so that's actually a pretty great time to do it. We'll be on boxing foxing a phone on the stream. we have some guests planned. We have some games planned I have a very nice jacket games. That people on the street can participate in is my having having done some of those over on the incomparable. There's there's going to be opportunity for audience. Participation points very fun. We're really really excited about it okay. Let's let's do some reflections on las week. There's always little information I I had mentioned on the show about out not liking the black crown on the Ceram White Ceramic Watch many pointed out to me that this is probably for the Senate used to be conductive inductive and it's probably a piece of metal I still say I wish they could just find a way to make it white. The right right must be away and I would prefer if they'd done that but but I will say the more that I've been pairing it with black watch bands the mom like us such clan trust and you can make it work. I still would've preferred to see that white. You're just doing your due diligence. It's just my digital research yeah. It's it's my job to research the apple. Watch configuration so I can report on the show. I appreciate your commitment to your subject matter better. I really do and I feel that my account once told me that as long as I talk about it this expense we've done it expense good job. I think that's how it works. Jason Great Article about the one chip which goes into depth about the possibilities of this technology citizens we I think we touched on it last week. This is a chip that is in the iphone which uses ultra wideband technology which locks a bunch of capabilities that apple did not touch on in the keynote and is probably. I believe the technology that would underpin an apple tag product so there's like tile or tracker like replacement and you had a great which included a bunch of quotes as well so to talk about that a little and then maybe share some of your excitement about this technology because you do seem pretty Tim would say pretty bullish on it. Well I mean the potential is enormous and talking so I knew a little bit about it last week when we talked but then I talked to this guy who's the director of marketing for this for Decca way which is chip maker that has been making and pushing you. WBZ for a long time and you got the sense. I got the sense talking to him that that there was like this almost celebratory moment of like even though their chips aren't going in the iphone like Oh. It's going to be in every iphone because what's going to happen. They're feeling is like apple puts. Ultra wideband in the iphone means everybody who all these other Google and Samsung. HTC Like like all these phone makers are on these consortium panels that are pushing this tech forward and have been for years so it's not like this is I an apple thing that apple invented at all but once it's in the iphone I mean what he says. It feels to him like the moment when they put Wi fi in the ibook which was like. Oh this is. This is the thing now everybody's GonNa want. Wifi Wifi is going to be a thing and what's really interesting is is unlike most technologies that are standards based apple kind of gets to them. When apple thinks the time is right five G. would be a good example of that. The apple is the first company to ship smartphones. With ultra wideband their first out of the gate and the technology is amazing like I said last week that according to the bare hardware specs of alter wideband you can use ultra wideband to determine the location occasion of a device within ten centimeters which is about four inches what the guy from Decca wave told me is. That's the bear you're wrong. If you do some extra work it can be precise down to a couple of millimeters so the idea idea that this is not only do data transfer. That's faster than Bluetooth. It's slower than Wifi. It's faster than Bluetooth. Though not only is it more secure because it can't be spoofed by I implementing a signal because the it's all based on the speed of light in a round trip so a lot of a lot of hacks of like Bluetooth proximity stuff is you you get the you get the transmission from somebody's phone like in the restaurant and then you transmit it to a a relay basically that's close to their car mccaren locks because the cars like oh you're close so my so. I'll unlock whereas if it's measuring the the bounce time of the packets basically bounce time at the speed of light of the radio waves it knows that that that key is not close so it's more secure it's it's precise in a way that Bluetooth Elliot's not because it is all about that that strength of signal and so then they're all sorts of applications locations because you know my door lock is a smart door lock and it's Bluetooth Ellie and it will sense when my phone is near the lock and it unlocks but the way hey it has to do that is arcane because it has to and follow me here. It has to have location services on my phone in its APP. It has to see me exit the area around my house and then seamy return and get the Bluetooth due to signal and then it unlocks the door and the reason is otherwise. I'm always just around my house and it's like. Oh you're here and how does it note on. Lock your doors so it actually has to watch you. Leave leave and then come back and it's because you know Bluetooth is limited in what it can do with ultra wideband theoretically it could actually see you walk away in in detail but it also knows literally when you're standing in front of the door on the wrong side of the door and then potentially if you come in and close the door inside the house and so now it knows your home and not on the wrong side of the door and then it can lock the door and that's just one example whole home audio is a good example. Where are you know imagine a future world where when you walk from room to room in a house or an office de the audio you're listening to follows you you because it knows exactly where you are as opposed to now where it nose sort of vaguely where you are or smart home stuff where it knows that if you're in this room it's going to prioritize is the temperature in that room or it's going to turn on the lights in that room and you know the the home automation can be as complex or not complex that needs to be but what you don't have right now the unless you're rigging some occupancy sensors and even then you don't know who it is. You just know that there's somebody there so there's a lot of potential oh for stuff like that that it's just precision. Ar stuff where you can know exactly where objects are. They've got these chips in them. That's another thing with huge potential so it's just it's a Lotta stuff like that. It's very exciting that this stuff may come to be and the guy said he thinks it's a no brainer that it will be in the apple. Watch eventually because ultimately what you want especially if you're tracking people around the house is real kind of biometric assuredness that the person is where they say. Could we leave our phones behind but we don't. You've got a watch on your wrist. They know where you are exactly so yeah. It's really interesting has a lot of applications for stuff stuff like that if you if the simple version of it would be kind of imagine that it's it's very close pinpoint kind of gps especially inside where you can't do gps so oh yeah. I I think it's really potentially great technology and the reason that I'm more enthusiastic about it is that apple is apparently all in on this and that's really interesting because that means they have evaluated it and found it useful for their purposes and apple is a great popularizer of technology like this because once apple's got it. Everybody's GONNA WANNA half. It mentioned the Apple Tag a moment ago. Oh like the this product. That's been rumored a bunch and I saw you tweet the other day that you had a pet theory that it's because of air power is met one of the reasons they you may have delayed the launch and I like this theory and wanted you to expand on it a little bit well. I my gut feeling feeling and this is just a you know it is like I said on twitter I pet theory is this is so there are lots of things where they're like. Oh the West feature got delayed this feature. We're going to pull out and it's going to be later this year. We have a whole talk later on tolkien about exactly things right right so they did that hat to how does that square with this feeling that the Keno was a little short that the ship only got mentioned in marketing material and not onstage page even though it's this brand new chip from apple and we know how apple likes to boast about its prowess in creating new chips with clever names that are a letter followed by a number and none of that happened and so it's very easy from that to go you know I bet the tracker thing just got pulled out at the last minute and that's why it didn't get talked about about because this would have been the perfect time to talk about the U. One in the context of the tracking thing and my pet theory is that the difference is that's a hardware product and for some reason they were not one hundred percent confident that they should announce it at the apple event and I I think it comes back to air power. I think they hell had a conversation. You think a little more than one about what happened two years ago when they announced a product that was a piece of hardware that they thought was ready but was totally not ready and I think maybe everybody agreed that. If hardware is not ready don't announce ounce it and that's my theory about air power is that they thought not about air power but about tracker is that airpower was was the lesson and the tracker is the manifestation of that lesson. which is you know what we're not one hundred percent confident if it's not ready if we've got some issues if it's not we're not sure about it? Don't announce it. We're going to next month at our event that we haven't announced or we can do a press release or we can push it off until next year but don't announce it and you know it. It gives them the option like what if this fails what if the U one doesn't work as well as we think it's going to what if they're we're having some serious problems with the radios are serious problems with the tracker or the battery life of the tracker or the chip itself in the tracker. Maybe needs to be revised. I mean there's lots of reasons why it's not quite right all the way to the point of them never releasing it and saying well. We never said the U. One was going to be anything other than point to point airdrop for now. never mind. They could do that so that's that's. My theory is that I wonder if this is apple being careful about product announcements for hardware that they're not ready with because they got so burned with air power. It would not surprise me I wanted to touch on. apple cade really quickly quickly. there is. I just noticed on as much as sent to me that it looks like apple's had an embargo. Go out full apple. Kate saw ooh youtube business such got brief in time and now they're talking about up like eight so that's the thing that's happening but I wanted to give some follow out to you have a shelter. I do her in real life. I'm remastered which a host of Federick of the tea and she had to come out and we did a deep dive into allocate kind of what we think think about the games that have been announced some thoughts on some of the developers that have been announced to be involved and then also as we usually do re must've which is what makes a show. I think a little bit unique because he had worked for playstation for so long and basically worked on projects exactly like this for playstation. He brings his industry knowledge talking about this stuff as to why a company might want to go into a deal like this. If and kind of like talking about does he actually. I think that it will be effective over over the developers as remastered episode eighty. If you want to listen to that then you can yeah. It's look we will probably be getting since this was a noon eastern embargo. It would not surprise me if we're about to have the role rolling embargo the festival this week where there's a new embargo drop at nine. Am every day this week. Leading up to the phone releases watch allies phone eleven. Ben iphone eleven pro. Oh Oh that's that will be boggles. I'm sure so that's going to be a whole thing like entertainment. Weekly had a big like data. Ed puncher previews as well so There's there's been a bunch of stuff going up and this week is probably going to be a lot more so that'd be fun all right but we have a lot of stuff to get today's episode. Let's take our first break and thank a sponsor of this episode riches Dash. Wherever you're super focused at work having chill day or you just forget to do your milk wrap this week. You still need to eight bright. 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TV plus as well we will start with cancellation so dear member that weird sounding drama TV show that apple bought the rights to which Richard Gere was going to be in and it was him and another actor identing nicknamed yet who played elderly Vietnam veterans who hated millennials and they had a woman that they were both in love with who died yeah. I remember us being puzzled by that room. It was based on an Israeli TV show yeah so this show has been cancelled because of undertones of vigilante justice turns is out shocker that the plot is going on a shooting spree like that's the the plot. I can't believe apple bought this show now. I'd never ever seen that pop mentioned until the cancellation but apple wanted to show to focus on the relationship between the two veterans but the show creators and show runners wanted to focus more on the anger and violence the shows now cancelled because apple doesn't WanNa make a show like that yeah. This is one of the things we're apple had given a commitment so apple. We'll have to actually pay a pay a fee penalty to abandon the show but I could see why they would not be won't be involved in that show yeah. That's this is like you know what maybe that's not the right type of Tom. You want to be certain I get that one and that was their note to the producers and the producer's like no. This is what we wanted to creatively creatively Annapolis like well. We're GONNA walk away. Here's your money. We're walking away but they're making more deals. Joseph Gordon Levitt will create and star in a drama for the service is set to follow. Oh an elementary schoolteacher grappling adulthood in. La So we've got that one but it's another series coming from a well known name who's a track record and they've also acquired the rights to a documentary that has been completed from Bryce Dallas Howard is called dads and it will feature a quote lighthearted look a modern parent modern paternity around the world revealed through anecdotes and wisdom from average. DADS and celebrities like will Smith Jimmy Fallon and nail pack Patrick Harris Aris. What what is it does not happy about this. I mean this is this is not for me. Because has I looked at this and I thought this description gets worse with every worry talk. It's like okay. It's a documentary about lighthearted documentary about Dad's featuring celebrity. DADS okay great being produced by Ron. How well that's appropriate right. PROPRIO bryce Dallas Howard's Howard's thing about Dads is being produced by dad shirt. Apparently a theatrical run for this documentary is also being considered and it's being shown Donald Film Festival. Let let me recommend father's Day. Let's just go lean all the way into it all the way so. This is just something if picked up. I'm not sure why they did that but we'll find out I have movies. That's something that you and I have talked about a little bit which is this is not all. TV shows right. It's they're going to have. They're going to movies but it's not going to be like a catalogue old movies as as much as it is that they're going to put their money in for movies that are either going to premiere an apple. TV plus or we're going to go to theaters and then we'll be exclusive to apple TV plus after that and so they're you know they're they're trying to find ways to plump up the the relatively meagre Cadillac of Apple TV plus yeah. It's probably going to be a lot of documentaries as well her. I can be the movies because this happens quite a lot documentaries right. Somebody makes them and then shops them around and somebody buys them for sure. I think there's I think there's an accurate feeling it's entirely accurate that people don't go to see documentaries in movie theaters very much but they do watch them on streaming and so that's it's where they go now yep as a very very good point indeed. What else have we go apple. TV plus is going to have a web APP so we'd wonder what they apple would do in the sense of if you can't get to it from whatever device you. WanNa get to write like maybe earn android device or maybe you're a TV the opposite supporting but it has a web browser browser. There's GonNa be a web APP. This is kind of putting to rest as well the idea of apples content whether it's going to be family friendly remember. We're talking about about that right longtime ago like Oh. They're gonNA make everything family friendly and everyone's pointing to the stuff. That's been canceled like Oh. It's all going to be kids. Well a bunch of expensive. NBC Right Yes that was the network television well many of the shows carry TV Anna which is mature audiences as I saw here in the UK the would caution on them which I find much cuter really but that's so we know that now see the morning show for example. They're both TV. What that means. You know whether it's going to be not violence or nudity or language or mix Olodum or whatever it's GonNa be but these shows are meant for adult audiences so they log in. I have that mix my guess is and I heard from some people that are like really disappointed by this because they were hoping that the NBC's or see. I did it again. He's been. NBC's brand apple's brand was going to be expensive NBC. It was going to be family friendly at least to a point. It's not going to be really hard core. I think the truth is first off. It's not entirely true right like Network standards are not what they were twenty years ago and there's more stuff you can show on network. TV NOT EVERY NETWORK TV. Show is appropriate for young audiences is even though you know there are limits to what they will show but more than that my guess is that apple has its own idea and you look at it with something like them killing the the show about the angry veterans who want to shoot millennials I think they've got an internal idea of what their standards are and and the with the TMA or caution. I think what you're going to see is failing failing to see them so far. We're going to have to just guess but my guess is going to be their stuff that they're not going to allow right but there's other stuff they are going to allow and so if you're in these kind out of ratings boxes that currently exists TV a my guess is there stuff that is traditionally thought of as TV. Ma that mature audiences only that apple is okay with and that other stuff they're not okay with and so you know it's a very blunt label but if you were believing that everything that that apple was gonNA show was going to be sort of PG ag then that's not the case. It's like we just connected member. Special special just posted. We watched the Steve Jobs movie the Michael Fast moving and that's like right at all but it's just language. There's nothing else in it and and I know that language can be difficult for people applera. I understand that but I think when people see this they think well this is just game of thrones but it doesn't mean that you know yeah like Jennifer. Aniston is not going to behead Steve Corral where I'd like. That's not going to happen probably not if she does. It'll be like we won't see it. It'll be off campus but there's definitely going to be some some adult oriented themes at least in those shows brochure also and I if you if you if you're not Korver. I personally am happy to see that. They're going to have a range because that's what I want. I want a range. I want to be able to pick nick in my content. Disney is up and running in the Netherlands now yeah how about that congratulations. Netherlands who is getting a weird DELAKE AAC test run of Disney plus New Zealand's is usually placed game companies pick for stuff like this but is news picked the Netherlands right now. All the application is available and it's the free trial period and there's some obstacles in a tweet in the show notes which has video showing the interface the interface look really nice but has been in stuff about that before as a lot of interesting ways they categorizing things like Duff Ada collection. The stuff is back catalogue right now. None of the original content is in yet. That's still coming in November so there's a lot it's called that they're doing it because we'll get to see it but and it'd be nicer if I could get it wants to be able to but this also explains why they made that announcement that it was going to be available in like the US Canada and the Netherlands on day one. I thought the Netherlands right this is why yes yes they are using it as their test market and and so that's where it's starting but yeah definitely weird but now we get it right now we understand so Netflix fighting back they picked up a sword and swung it the competition so they loosen the office they loosen friends but in twenty twenty one they get Seinfeld walled wide streaming rights settled on Hulu Hulu now I think in the US but they are. They're picking it up and they're picking it up worldwide. We I don't think it streams anywhere else. Hulu Hulu has this weird deal that they get all the rights I believe but like Secon even is like difficult to even by digitally in places like it's really really limited but now netflix picked it up streaming worldwide one hundred and eight episodes as a big get so they're not giving in for as much as I losing stuff. There's still fighting an and this isn't you may be asking yourself. Well what what's the difference between friends and the office and Seinfeld that those are leaving netflixing and this is coming to net flix and the answer is friends is owned by Warner Brothers Warner media now offices owned by NBC Universal Seinfeld is owned by Sony money which doesn't play in the streaming wars right now really and so on one level. This is great because it's like. Oh this is we can be a free agent. We can sell this to the highest bidder netflix enroll in and do it on the other hand. I'm just GonNa pointed out now and we can file this away for an episode of upgrade in twenty twenty-one. Whoever buys Sony's entertainment business is going to be so angry yes given that Seinfeld the way but oh well that's right because we've we've seen so many of these deals where everybody they self streaming rights away for a long period of time and then they have their own aspirations and they have regret is crazy to feels feels like this may be like yeah because being. Sony's like this is a crown jewel and they're gonNA get a lot of money for which is great but what does it say about. Sony's aspirations. I think it says that Sony's current management. It doesn't really think that they're gonNA play in these streaming wars and they're better off selling. They're selling their catalog to one of the giants for lots of cash so here it is it is believed achieved that Sony asserted that Hulu was paying one hundred and sixty million dollars a year for Seinfeld. I wouldn't be surprised if net flakes are going to be paying hang up put the two hundred because they had to wrestle it away right because who wouldn't want to grab this because it's the only show that anybody can buy right right because the rest of them are of this type of caliber. The rest of them were all locked up. I bet they pay the law of money for that that they did and I'm interested to see because I don't think Netflix have said yet. How long that deal is full refund. Wherever they go bob I go resigns from Apple's Board Ward. seems about time. If you're you may remember Eric Schmidt was once on Apple's board to it gets to the point where like probably no love lost but their entire at competition now like he can't get to sit in good faith on that board. They all made the right noises about this. They said you know we love Bob. He's great we expect to Apple said we expect to continue to have a great relationship with Disney. ABC and all of that they're very positive about it and so it may be Bob Eiger. wants wants to take that step back in general Steve Jobs hsieh's. Did they go to the state of did they go to apple because that was tasting for those were his that was his personal share so no. Laureen Powell jobs may still be one of Disney's larger share individuals share 'cause. I don't know if she's divested of them or not. Remember that was a big thing for a long time wasn't it that wasn't a corporate relationship with. Steve Jobs was on their board but you know Disney has been very supportive because of the relationship especially between Disney and Pixar like the relationship between Bob Eiger and Steve Jobs was I was strong and they would make deals with apple. They were I think the first on board with some of the TV stuff was ABC stuff so it's a long standing relationship but it's true. They are less aligned in some ways than they used to be. I don't think anybody really considers apple playing the same game that Disney pluses and in fact they will probably be partners more or less on the fact that they're tying into apple's data in the TV APP and they're going to be on apple platforms and stuff like that but yeah I I think there comes a time where you say this is weird enough and I'm going to need to recuse myself from this portion of Apple's business. Maybe it's better that we go our separate ways and just be kind of partners being partners business partners where it makes sense is a lot different than having your CEO on the Board of somebody who you compete with in some areas so it makes sense all right. So what else do we have a hi. This is an interesting story apple TV plus. The year that everybody gets for free and services revenue says two points gone yeah. I is an article that you wrote which was really useful and little. We know we'd need it a couple of days later. Ah so you were kind of thinking about like what is going to happen because I think we'd even touched on in the show right like on last week's episode like what is going to happen to services revenue as apple gives away this year and then what happens the year often they in theory put back right so everybody has to stop paying right so you kind of went digging and notice the apple changed how they account for services is in hardware being bundled together and what happens in the revenue reports yeah. I noticed this because it broke all my charts because they had to they had to re state their earnings for one in previous year which also meant that all other previous years were no longer using that technique. It's very frustrating. It's it means that my charts my beautiful beautiful charts. Don't work as well as I wish they did did but it. It tweaked something in me. When this came up I was like Oh you know they did just change that to take and it's weird right so basically they have decided and I think this is a due to like it'd be in good accounting. Practice is what you're supposed to do is if you include services with hardware you should not allocate all the money to hardware because you're bundling services in their part of the value of the phone and so what apple did was a a classified some value for the service of providing maps. Siri and the that five Gig Free I cloud account and they amortize that over some period of time that's the life of an iphone and include that in services so there when they restated aided their earnings what it ended up doing was shift the services revenue up and the hardware revenue down a little bit because basically if you think of it this way if you buy an iphone for a thousand dollars over the course of time I don't know forty dollars of that or something is considered services Revenue Vanu. I don't know the actual number and I don't think Apple's disclosed it. is it goes to services. That revenue goes services instead of hardware. It's not a pure hardware revenue when you by an iphone because some amount of the content of it is considered services now those are on all the time so you you wouldn't do that with something like the Apple TV thing but I would imagine that they would transfer some revenue to the services line. you have to sign sign up for it. It's one per family so it's only a percentage a you know a limited percentage of iphone sold that will that will sign up for the year uh of Apple TV plus and those are the only ones they're gonNA count and I'd imagine that it will be discounted. I don't know that for certain but I I would imagine they're not going to say WELP nope. It's four ninety nine a month time twelve and that let's deduct that from the iphone revenue for this iphone. I imagine they have a bundle price or something. That's a discount account but still that they're counting it against it but even if it's the full price it's going to be for a small percentage of iphones that are the ones that sign up for the service and that will go towards services revenue so in the end will happen is the per unit sales of iphone will go down a little bit in terms of revenue per unit. which is another thing we don't know because as we don't know how many units they sell and services revenue go up a little bit and it'll just be a little trade off that they they it will be accounted for. I guess is what I'm saying because somebody was asking because before the weird thing happened after I wrote the story what people were really asking was. What does this mean in terms of of next next year like apples deferring services revenue for a year because they're going to get no revenue from all these free accounts and is that bad for services revenue in the short term and my answer was kind of not it because they'll be some allocation for it actually might be worse in the longtime than it is in the near-term right because this is what I was talking about last week of like you you do this for the first year you you put a bunch of money in because everyone's jumping on that that year. FRAC- like okay. We're going to take the money from the IPHONE. Put It into into the services bat right and you get like a bunch of like part and you get like a a spike of revenue but then a bunch of people don't take it for the second year and then it goes down again and potentially right. I are paying that with the combination of a it doesn't cancel automatically look. They made that choice all right. Look you can say what you like about apple being the puff accompany you wish they always were they made the choice renewing subscription. If you take that year free so hoping that gets some people just let it roll golden or two they will have a compelling enough slate of content by that time that people will want to pay for it. That's the hope that they're going to make but if bunch of people do cancel then it was an interesting may be risky thing to do but we'll have to wait and see on them. Yeah somebody Goldman Sachs kind of went a little little bit beserk and issued a note in fear of this whole thing saying that if they do I like this word amortize their revenue the ESP the average selling the price of their products is going to see a significant fall and therefore expected to see a twenty six percent decline in apple stock. There is a lot of massive assumptions made in this. No I know that the these investments are always big assumptions but like this is probably doing what you said we would not do right which just take four nine nine a month and multiply it by twelve and take off the price of the IPHONE for five years which would be a lodge hit two sp but they're not gonna do that anyway. Apple issued a statement refuting this claim saying that Apple TV plus will not have a material impact on ISP clearly clearly apple knows what amount they can swallow right Ryo aware of this and they make the decision the existing services thing. I looked it up the average because they restated their twenty eighteen figures. I think you could actually compare it to the previous figures that were not restated you stated and my calculation was that basically on average iphone revenue was reduced by one percent so so one percent of iphone revenue was transferred to services revenue and it's going to be that amount again. It'll be less than yeah yeah yeah I would imagine so so so on a thousand dollar iphone purchase ten dollars goes to services and nine hundred ninety ninety dollars goes to this is not even accounting for the fact that the ESP may have changed anyway right like apple margins yeah exactly exactly yes yes for example. There's no three touch on these models and that that had a specific costs. That is not there anymore so we we don't know any of those details so yes right right like. I cannot imagine that apple is doing a a clever in run here to gut iphone revenue to blow up services revenue right. We're talking about small numbers and is a Nana's that Goldman Sachs wrote what it wrote and then assigned to refute that Apple's stock price at the moment is largely tied to changes and services revenue yeah right the analyst at Goldman Sachs who wrote this note is often on the on the call the analyst call after the results come out. That's how I recognized his name and I thought Oh you're not getting invited on this time. You're not going to get a question in this time Rod Hall. You're not going to get a question as another level of witness that you may be thinking to yourself. What do I know that name Goldman Sachs their apples partner on apple cod independent for financial analysts and all that but it is weird isn't it. I know I know that that stuff. It doesn't overlap but it does it. Just adds another level of weirdness to the whole thing right where like that. It's like why did you do that. You know from an interdepartmental memo you. You've really given me a bad day. I have complained about so I D- Jeez parent company owned and an analyst firm owns analyst from IDC and we criticised IDC's forecasts by the way IDC's he sees forecast is the one where they they announced sort of in the early part of this decade that in in two years android would have like seventy percent percent of the smartphone market and windows phone would have twenty five percent or something like that and the iphone with five percent it was some it was one of these was actually more egregious than that. This is one of these things where it's like. It's it's over for the iphone windows. Phone is GONNA take over and and share it with android and it's even maybe was even like down on Android it was going to be fifty percent windows phone forty percent android ten percent percents and at the time it was ludicrous anyway we would occasionally refer to some dumb prediction that IDC would make and end would I get a call occasionally from someone higher up ninety G or from someone over at our colleagues at IDC complaining about US beating them up in public public yeah yeah that would happen so I'm sure right hall got a call from somebody but he's GonNa. He's GonNa say what I said. which is you know we're independent? We get to say what we think and even this case even if it maybe it was kind of dumb it was it was pretty dumb so yeah lots lots of stuff happening in streaming ooh media and it's and we're entering like the season of it right like this is where it's all going to start pretty soon. It's all going to be dropping. It's all going to be happening. are we. 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FM So we mentioned last week that we were talking about this this week and that is apple software released shedules because they kind of gave gave a very brief overview and then everything became a lot clearer layer on so I'M GONNA link to a post over Max lorries. John did a great job of putting this together to handle. How will the release dates and very quickly going to give an overview of what we're going to be seeing over the next couple of weeks so Iowa's thirteen drops this week on the iphone on September Tumble Nineteenth ipad Alas and irs thirteen point one it is assumed but not known that these are the same thing drop on September Thirtieth TV UH-HUH S. thirteen on September thirtieth wash over six is on September nineteen if you have a series three watch later if you have a series one or two watches coming some point later issue home pod software updates on September thirtieth macos? Catalina is in October now if you're a move macos catalina from this because Mac. Os tends to come a little bit later anyway and has done sure las years. It was probably expected that IOS IPAD OS REST TV os watch os and the update were all supposed to drop on the nineteenth but we all saw throughout the Beta cycle which was rocky up best they split it right the first apple's done this and they started Beta testing thirteen point one before thirteen had even reached GM called muster and I believe leave as well so I've I've had people ask me a question if you will running thirteen point one you can actually upgrade to thirteen on the GM like that. It will be possible to do this that that is my understanding. I don't know the method in which you have to do this. You may have to do it on a Mac but you don't have to is my understanding yeah. I need like I haven't had this completely confirmed but my understanding is you can upgrade to thirteen without needing to wipe your phone so okay. That is a possibility. I've heard but you know. This is where we are. there are lots of features being pushed thirteen point one that some features. Che's that were expecting for thirteen to uneven thirteen point one and then you look stuff like this new cross platform features. If you look at reminders an apple okayed right these are supposed to be cross platform then go work on day. One reminds us is even more tricky because you have to upgrade your reminders. They abased take the new things which then means reminders won't sink so all of your thirteen I o devices will sink and all of your non-irish thirteen devices or before Catalina devices they will zinc but they won't sync together attested this myself. Today I have reminders running on a thirteen point one on my ipads and I have not upgraded my phone Vanya. The reminds database is a complete. They have completely different tasks. They are not seeing each other and then you look at apple cade right the idea of one of the ideas about blockades you can to play these games everywhere but it's only going to be on the IPHONE for the best part of two weeks so on chair analysis time now this year right like this is one of the worst for releases now it could be and I'm sure it is that they are doing this to maintain stability across all these devices which is great right like you a better to delay a make it stable then you ought to release all at the same time and it being absolute nightmare for everybody but we're assuming that we're going to be stable when they come out right because not a lot of people are really even getting to touch the thirteen right now because everyone's on thirteen point one. I've been reading thirteen on my iphone this last week. I actually updated until until the thirteen. GM came out the most golden master and that's the one I'm reading on it and it's fine. It's fine. I mean it feels. I thanked pretty stable. It's good it's weird that it is missing all these things that are in the Betas but it's it's it's been fine for me and the GM of six to actually. I wonder if thirteen straight up thirteen is gonNA ship on the phone. I don't know I mean they have a thirteen. GM and they have builds of it for all the different phones so I would imagine that everybody on an iphone. We'll get the thirteen point uh-huh build on Thursday but has it changed the camera app you know. I don't know stuff like the way that you take video by. Just just pressing on the camera. Shutter can't imagine that's just eleven above because it's not well my my guess is and I don't have my phone here to check. My guests is that the thirteen build on the new iphones might be have different camera. APP enabled then the thirteen bell bits on everything else and maybe that's a thirteen one feature for everyone else possibly but yeah this one has been. It's been a bit standout for a lot of the wrong reasons this year yeah well. This is this is we we talked about a couple of weeks ago but it's the idea that ideally out everything apple ships in the fall ships at once because you do have these interlocking services you do have have the reminders stuff for example where you need to be on all of them across the board but you you you know you can't ship or if you're apple you can try but it's very very hard to ship every single operating system on the same day plus. They learned their lesson that like that breaks stuff stuff on their servers so they want to roll it out over time anyway and I think that there's a level of maturity in them saying oh the IPAD things not ready and we really need to get the phone thing ready so we're going to push the IPAD back a little bit so it's one of those things where I feel like. They're being grown up about this and saying look we can't do it. You know and we can complain unlike what you should be able to do it. Maybe they should but I also kind of like the idea that they're saying we know we should but we can't like. It would be irresponsible for us to ship what we've got so we're we're GONNA. We're GONNA make some choices and we're GONNA roll this out over time I think I think the next shoe to drop is don't conceive of something like reminders finders that requires everybody to be on the same version like you need to build that feature update so that there's some level of compatibility if you're not gonNa if you're GonNa Stagger your release that that's the next step is don't make assumptions that the releases are not staggered they are and reminders is the perfect example of that which is like literally if you get this on your iphone and you press the update but in your iphone your IPAD and you're not on Betas or anything when this release comes out your IPAD iphone no longer talk on for for reminders if you press that button and if you don't press that button hey reminders is here it's new. Don't press this button because it's on on your ipad yet. It's not ideal and I think that maybe in the future they will. I think that's the next stage here is not first. Step is admitting that you have a problem which is that you can't ship everything at the same time. Step two is no longer building your software with the plan that everybody's going to get the update at the same time because they're not and Mac users we know that lesson because the MAC hasn't been getting those updates at the same at the same time as Ios us for ever now but IOS teen does have a lot features into that are really great. We've both been using it for a period of time and I wanted to focus on a coupla the things about the we're excited about. I want to talk about some things that are in Iowa studying but I haven't got to us and then Wigan then you're GonNa talk about some of the things that that you have enjoyed using most already and I was attain so I have a small list of stuff apple arcade. I can't wait to see these Games Jason. I am the the closer we get the more excited getting because it seems like Apple. Surprise didn't do a great job of talking about the Games. They have on this service. I think a lot of it may have been in that defense. I think maybe a lot of games like waiting to be completely finished or they're rolling out a couple of days later or for whatever reason they went with what they went with. The press release that they sent out was pretty good. He had a good list but there's still like it seems like there's going to be an us to game. Chris Monument Valley coming later this week right. They have like a game that nobody has seen anything about the droppings of Apple Cade I. I'm really excited to dig into some of these games. I keep seeing teases. there is a twitter account a cooled. I think Killa Cal who has been compiling all of this stuff if you're interested in seeing the games that they used to walk touch arcade and pocket Gamer if you are interested in seeing some some of the games that are coming apple cade that is a twitter account to follow because they're doing a good job of compiling all of those but I am really excited and to get my hands on this and it seems like just the more I'm more I find out about it the more and more I stand firm in my assertion. This is the best value stream eh like subscription service. That apple has a so. I'm really excited about that multiple window support on ipad US. This is something I haven't really been able to play with very much because most of the APPs that I would wanNA use multiple windows with they obviously don't have iowa thirteen builds yet so I'm really keen to try out. I we'll get ready to start the clock on Google docs and how long that's GonNa take to update but once all those coming out. I'm really excited about that because I think it's GonNa be a great way to change some of my workflows on IOS. I'm really excited about that. sign in with apple seems. Cain like something really keen to try. Joanna stunned at a really good article about that seems like she got some access to some some signing with apple yeah apps so and also as Warsaw. The airport clarified a little bit like they've reduced some of the restrictions on signed him of ample to make it more comprehensive applications. Is that shouldn't be blocked by it so they've done some work there but I'm I'm really keen to be able to use that feature for some stuff that I'm not massively came in giving some information in a way that's going to be great dock mode and more applications. I absolutely love Iowa's dock mode. I will leave it on all the time I love it on. My APP has a ton on my phone later on all the time. 'cause I always choose if an APP has dog mode. I put it to a dog mode so I'm really excited to see. The apple is kind of popularizing further. I love this idea and giving people more tools to enable that so I'm excited about that. I've been using that in a timing mode where it's a sunrise sunset. Basically is dark. Mark Mode comes on on my ipad because I don't use dark mode at all on my Mac and I liked it. I've actually liked it so I think that's what I'm GonNa. Do is I'm going and a half be in the daytime. It's light mode and at night at stark mode that works for me and also reminders. I haven't really given reminders officiate yeah because I've not had had thirteen my iphone but I wanna see if it's possible for me to move from West to reminds yeah. I want to give a really we could try. I very keen with the the features to apple has been adding and I'm really excited to one read Federico's Rico's chapter in his review on that too so I can really get the full dates because I think he's been using it like it's been like really using it and has moved to of course so you know because I know he always tries stuff out but I I don't notice for sure but from the hints that I've gotten from him is he has moved to reminders so I'm willing to give that a go as well because I don't use overtime I have I use less and less of the kind of power user features of to do list and I think reminders might be able to do what I wants so I'm keen to try that out. I will have the problem of not wanting to having the issue of not wanting to upgrade my Mac but that's just a thing. I'M GONNA behalf to deal with right like I don't mind. I mean really all I ever do. My Mac is mark off task but I never I'm never at mcvea an Iowa device being around so I don't think it's going to be a problem. We'll find out. Maybe that will be the thing that makes me move to Catalina will say but I am as as some of the things I'm excited about. Jason Yeah sounds good. Those those are all you know. I'm not as excited about those things as you but I am still interested in them. I'm very interested interest in apple arcade and multiple windows. I've yet to actually find a find a scenario where I really embrace it but that's partially because some of the APPS that I use in that scenario aren't aren't updated yet exactly let one that I've seen that looks really interesting in that regard again. I've I've only seen unlike videos of it is drafts right so the draft up the text APP. There's a lot of interesting doing stuff that I drive to develop a seems to be doing with multiple and stuff like you can. I 'cause. I didn't even know you could do this. You can press a button in the APP to open a second window which I didn't know that you could do that and then you can have like live markdown previews alongside taxed so I think this is one of those things where I'm very intrigued to see what developers are able to do with the multiple window support like other weird and wonderful things that I hadn't yet considered some. I'm excited about it so we started doing a we put our list together me and Dan Morin of our features features that we are excited about and rolled it out as the beginning of a series on six colors that's the thirteen thirteen features of I was thirteen because what we're not going to do is right tens of thousands of words about less somebody else's on that one and he's gotta covered. I don't need to do that not going to do that. and I decided rather than reading like a mega review violence thirteen again somebody else's got covered and I wrote down all the features off of all the marketing getting pages and everything of all the features in Iowa thirteen and IPAD. Os Thirteen in there so many so many and I decided you know what I can't do this. I'm going to triage this. I'm going to pick some features. That are my favorites and I'm GonNa all right about those and so we're going to do well. Let's see if we get to thirteen we should it's called that we can find thirteen features that we like the thirteen features of. I was thirteen so I I want. I wrote about it's already up is shortcuts which is just the shortcuts updates are great and they're going to get even better like shortcuts. It's in Iowa thirteen. they make more sense visually because they're sort of phrased like sentences so you can see sort of like what a block in short cuts is doing and where it's getting the information from which used to be implied but not explicit and it also allows you to replace that that you know what it's using its input it used to be since it runs shortcuts run from top to bottom so it's like this step this step in this step then this step it. I used to be the assumption was it was always taking from the previous step and if that's not what you wanted you wanted to grab something from somewhere else you had to like insert another block doc and say no no get this thing now use it and it was really messy and frustrating and with this new approach you just change the part of the sentence that says what it's getting and pointed at some other thing which is super helpful and so. I like that a lot I liked it. It's not quite sure to feature but shortcuts her in the share sheet now as individual shortcuts and you can edit the share sheets to put your favorite shortcuts up at the top which means that now it's like one very easy tap to get to your most important shortcuts which makes them way better likewise the widgets on the home screen on the IPAD. It's so much better I put shortcuts widget on the home screen and I can just run some shortcuts from the home screen and I don't need to open up shortcuts and find find that shortcut. It's in the widget I tap it runs and were done which is a really great. there's other stuff going on to the there's automation stuff coming. I was thirteen point one. That has the potential to be a pretty great in that you can key off NFC NFC tags or times of day run run shortcuts at certain times. There's a simplified version of that. That will run on your home kit server. Basically your apple TV or your IPAD. That's acting as your home server in the house for home automation stuff. That's a little more complex than what's currently there so you know there's a lot of really good stuff in shortcuts. I've I'm. I'm very happy to get it to get an update for that one. Yeah I've yet to really dig in to the shock stuff because again. I've been waiting to see the applications that are used what you're going to be doing. This is the thing the potentially the single biggest thing that's happening. Shortcuts is something that you can't see until the APPS get updated because APPS APPS can now it used to be everything that you did without automation was from the clipboard or from url that had a bunch of data inside it and now in Iowa thirteen gene apps can actually pass data and ask for what what you want and give me this and I'll give you this back and you know it's a it they're building out the foundations of a completely native way of apps passing data around instead of the old way of cheating by putting it on the clip border in Url to really take advantage of that you need to have your key apps be updated to support it and that may not come right away either because we know a bunch of developers where this summer summarize really been a sprint to sort of like get their existing APPs to work right in Iowa thirteen and that's step one step two is added some features that are from Iowa's thirteen and then the step after that is look at catalyst so just as this has been an interesting summer for Apple and its Beta release cycle and all of that. I think not not all the APPS that we WANNA have fully supporting every new feature. Viola thirteen are going to be there at launch day. I think that a lot of developers are trying to make sure that their APPs run fine on IOS thirteen as step one and that's the right call what else lot of changes the photos APP that are really good a lot of new editing features in the photos APP that It's not quite a match for for the MAC version but it's getting close. I don't know why they don't have a retouching brush in there. It drives me estimator and of device on the IPAD. That could let you do retouching release early. I write what would that be like. Actual Mater photo will do do it and Pixel Mater photo if people don't know this it's amazing. I'm going to write this up at some point. I think that it has not been learned. It has not been noticed by level bowl occasion not only is it great but you can you so you take a photo and photos and you share it to pick some minor photo and edit it and then you go back to the share menu you in Pixel major photos and one of the items is put this back on top of the existing photo when you're photos library which I didn't even know was an API but it is and it works and and so you can most apps with the way they work with photos as you sheriff photo out and then they'll add it as a new photo in your photos library but pixel tomato photos will actually added as the new latest version of your existing photo that it's based on in your photos libraries so good and it's got that retouching shing brush so that it'll do some pretty amazing work quickly removing people from CNN and stuff like that like I have straight up removed complete people pull from photos machine line by just touching drawing on them and yeah it's great so why is that on the photos that I don't know but there's still a bunch of good stuff in the photos. APP and I'm looking forward to the changes in the cameras the camera APP that are happening with the new phones as well. you know my other stuff. I had a lot of ipad stuff like the files APP and the PIN widgets that I mentioned in with your cats like I I really like those. Those ipad features the desktop browsing safari the mouse support which I have some caveat. Thanks so Jason. Oh my go- safari so good yeah it's perfect but it is a real transformation of the ipad experience to have more desktop safari. I like fine. My I like the fine my APP. I like having a fine my friends and find my iphone both of which are APPs that I've used in one one place in that and I think that they did a good job. I think it's a good APP. I like it. There are some quirks about it that I don't like where it takes me away like when I'm I'm looking at the map. I don't WanNa see who's around me and then it's like nope now. I'm GonNa take you away from that and show you nothing like come on. Come on up so there's some there's some things to be worked on but I think it's it's good to have that. They're carplay. This is the thing that now it's on my primary iphone that I can use a little bit more as the new car plays so much better than the old car play away especially the dashboard appearance where you can see the map and you're now playing like it's an Siri doesn't get in the way of everything else that like there's a lot of upgrades carplay that if if you use car play every day upgrading to Iowa thirteen on your iphone will be a really nice experience because car play is better. It's like a major update for carplay and then the swipe typing. I know that you can swipe type on third party keyboards and have been able to do since they introduced third party keyboards but there's a lot of stuff enough that you need the apple keyboard for the Apple Keyboard as the first party keyboard is the one that you know it you keep coming back to the apple keyboard because because it is the one that apple demands in certain circumstances it assumes that it's there and all my attempts to use g board and I have used it a lot over the years but to get that inside of the Standard Apple Keyboard is very nice. It took them a long time to get here but they did a good job. I think the implementation is good and it's good to have swiping on the default still still missing one feature to bring me back from g abroad. NASA emoji search touch I can search emoji g would contradict the keyboard so I'm just even though I am so happy swipe typing this to two things about jeep well three three things about g boats wipe typing mody such and a better autocorrect all at least a dictionary. I find it to be much more relevant while I need all the time but yeah it's just a shame that they have not done anything on Emoji such I don't. I feel like at this point. It's going to be a one more thing like I can't even imagine what's holding doing the bag. I think they believe that type thing where you type the name of the Emoji and it gives you. It has an auto correct option. They think is Emoji search acceptable because like like I agree. I get what you get that point but like if I type in a word it will show me like ten fifteen suggestion and sometimes depending on the type and also Google is very good about signing alternative meanings to an Emoji is right right and and so yeah it's an apple. It's not so good at that so I love seeing it but anyway I was studying coming this week. I would expect on next week so we will have have a little bit more to say about it. when we finally get a hands on APPs as well as talking about our new iphones and maybe apple watches who knows something stomach very excited about next week's show knows depends on how diligent we are about our professionalism so professional this week's episode is brought to you you by express. VPN When you're preparing to travel abroad over the summer there's a lot of things that you need to have on your checklist but as one very important thing that could be missing and if it's if you're not doing it at his missing missing one. APP is going to keep you safe and secure online while you're away and that is expressed. VPN Express VPN doesn't just encrypt today to and you surf the Internet in public airports are in home. 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Rei says VPN DOT COM slash upgrade for three months free of one year package. Go there now. It's one thing of your summer checklist at express. VPN Dot com slash upgrade thanks to express VPN for their support of this show and all of relay FM and it is time for some Hashtag ask questions when we start with Nicholas Nicholas Nicholas wants to know. Do you think the Lt Peo- which is the new Apple Watch display the Lt Peo- display will make its way into the iphones. Maybe twenty twenty. I mean it's a much larger display and there are so many other issues. I feel like the way I'd phrase this is apple is always is trying to push things forward and they learned from the work they do in other areas in fact. I have made the argument that the Apple Watch display feels to me like apple earned a lot a lot of lessons when they built the promotion display on the IPAD in terms of variable frame rate and then that was something that they had a skill in and that perhaps aided them in building the Apple Apple Watch display so I'm sure they're display people push this stuff keeping my manager work with partners on the panels as well and you gotTa have a panel. That's large enough for this but yeah. I think apple's goal is to make displays use less power and a Maybe that will also if you had a very variable frame rate iphone display a promotion iphone display which we still don't have that does work both ways they could crank it up to super smooth but they also crank it down and save a lot of power this technology leave the light on to help them go further like to one hundred twenty huts like their there are phones out now that do that so he just did a review of the new raise a phone which is a phone with a one hundred twenty hearts. I'm a led display and and he says it's just absolutely unbelievable and it's doing some stuff like you can change some of the like the refresh rights and stuff but a screen that can really elite like completely adapt in this way could allow apple to do that without needing to change too much about this is a thick phone like as a massive battery in and it will loss for days right like he's you know it's another thing but probably doesn't want to make fun to stick the display that technology could help them in the future. I do think that there is a probably a goal ultimately to letting your iphone beyond all the time to write on the series right in stuff that maybe some very you know having the notifications. They're in a very kind of power friendly way and they're not there yet. That's a big screen and the Texas Compli so you know twenty twenty iphones. I doubt it but you never know and I'm not sure there's a one to one there because the Apple Watch is a very different thing but I I would say that apple's always learning from the the requirements requirements of one of apple's products will often feed into knowledge that allows them to do something similar on their other products because a lot of goals are aligned right like having better screens is and having better battery life and using less power and all of these things are the same even though some of the details per product or different so you know. I'm sure it has informed formed them and that will see that elsewhere James Asks will the iphone eleven pro clear case fit the iphone phone tennis. I want a clear case but not planning on upgrading this year Jay Jason. I did some field research. How good good I thought your so professional all this week. I mean not like you aren't the extra mile. You've gone the extra mile this week so I have okay so. I have everybody down a little bit. I couldn't test this on China's ten. Edina has an iphone ten and the clear case because she's going to be getting an eleven pro and is his ready wit it fits but the buttons of moved so the buttons so the Sleep Wake Button and the volume and the older ringers on the case they are. I think a little low A. Down so it's all the buttons would would be impressed so no it doesn't work because series constantly trying to be activated also as well. You have the huge camera hole in the back. James other companies might click aces you can if you really want one that bad. I recommend you get one. That's actually made for your phone yeah. I was surprised about that. Ah The button placement appears to have changed from the ten tennis to the eleven for some reason. I never thought that that's changed well. I mean when the the camera bump changes as much as it has. I think they feel like they're. They feel free to make other changes yeah but it's just kind of one of the things that maybe it changes more often than. I think it does a and I just never know because why would I know does buttons of moved well. The ten and ten s the bump moved fairy slightly because because I I remember putting a ten case on ten s and thinking. It's not quite like you could kind of force it but I think yeah so yeah it. It was possible but this is even less possible because volume buttons work anymore. That's not good not good patriarchs new iphones. Don't have the word phone on the back. Is this the first step to changing the name no but I do want to mention this because this is one of those things where it can be slightly slightly different depending on regulatory bodies. The backs of the iphones in Europe are not clear they have. They still have regulatory symbols on them interesting so which is a shame because I would love that to be nothing. I am a little bit upset. They moved the apple logo down because that's exactly well my pop suck. It goes so I want to do about that. Jason so the the short answer is no the long answer is if apple wants to change the name of the iphone phone what it puts on the back of the previous year's iphone will have no bearing agreed our next question comes from Andrew what are your current odds on a new apple TV being on being unveiled in October well. There are some rumors out there. There's new apple TV hardware so I would say a yeah. It's a very slight update to the Apple TV so I'd say fifty fifty. Doubt here's the thing I doubt it something you WanNa wear around. What for. I can't imagine what they're going to add which is gonNA make you like. I don't think they are I think the rumor is it's a very very very mild upgrade where they're upgrading some of the internals but it's not it's still just gonNa be a literally a black box. It's still just the Apple TV for K. That's it so I I would say that. There's a decent odds that there might be a new one but the odds are very low that you're gonNa Care Yeah Yeah Okay. I guess this is one of the things where it's like if you if you can wait wait but don't worry about it at the same time. I think is is kind of what like you know what I mean like if you if you don't have one and you don't need one immediately just wait until the TV show stop popping out 'cause they won't release something off to that and and it's not going to be like November fifth. There's going to be a new apple TV. They'll do it before TV plus so if you can wait wait. That'd be my my feeling on this. Robin says will I be able to use remind dozen. Iowa's thirteen reminded him bhave even if it's not the knee reminders so we were talking about this Elia No you can't do that so that's bad that in mind before you upgrade but you can't. There's a there's a compatibility ability mode apologies. Yes but you don't get the new features right. You lose some you. Can you can use it. You're going to have a little button that says upgrade or whatever it is every time like our show except I don't think it says that because that would be very excited if that's the places to promote the show reminders but like over we'll take it we'll take it but you'll be being bugged to upgrade to the new feature for awhile and that will be annoying but you can do it and you get to use some of the features of reminders before you move over but basically yes you can you will just keep getting bugged because. Abba can't assume that everybody has got a new iphone is running the latest version of their os everywhere else and so they can nag you about it but that's all they can do. Joe Wants to know. Are you getting a green iphone pro. You gotta read the second part because it's a joke. It's a real slow feast choice. Yeah Yeah Joel. I don't even want to answer your question because you made you said slopes choice and that is that's a bad joke about a bad word and the answer is no not only as green not of color that I'm very good at among the colors but I'm. I'm kind of a blue guy. If it it was a month midnight blue iphone I would be all over it but instead I am getting a space gray and putting it in a midnight blue case so Michael Steeb of nine into five Mac kind of put put like a mockup of a blue water would look like I unwanted. It makes me so sad. No I'm going for gold as I always do. That's going to be my co for the goal to go for the gold. My colleague early going for gold and Edina is getting space gray again. She's all about keeping it keeping it simple. My daughter's a phone is ordered her college going away to college. Get a new phone phone or exciting her first new phone ever. That's not a hand me down. Oh yeah and it's an iphone eleven in Purple Ooh. That's a good color. I was poking around those and like if I was going to buy one woman I Abihu and Papa was the one I would go for the cause and finally today Devon asks what is the over under on there being a future Cheshire or current iphone cameo in see the TV show. It seems incredibly unlikely to make. It's basically a post apocalypse sang so. I don't think they're going to have phones but this did make me. WanNa ask the question was apple product placement going to look like TV shows. I would not be surprised if everybody an apple. TV shows is uses iphones and MACs. That's actually not surprising because I mean maybe not the Russians and for all mankind yeah maybe okay what about like the morning show like we're going to be using. MACs yeah. They're all going to have I max and stuff. Do you think I don't know why why not I mean. I know a lot of TV. Shows US apple a good way right. Yes that's that's what I was gonNA. Say is that this is actually not unusual. Lots of shows have an apple up product placement thing where they get promotional consideration for Asian like this. I'm watching Gal in Brooklyn nine nine at the moment and that's always at the end of every episode. Yep Yep they use is the iphone a lot in that well has one of those TV shows that actually understands how phones look when you use them rather when your phone to somebody you know looking at the lock screen right right. They do a pretty good job of trying to actually show what phones really look like in that show and wanted hold you hold the phone to your head is not lit up exactly it if you would like to send in a question with her future episode. Hashtag ask upgrade to do that once again do not forget. September Temba twentieth from four to ten. PM Eastern live on twitch twitch dot TV slash relay FM. The podcast a thon avert I ever six our podcast featuring me and even Hackett and many relay. FM guests We're really looking forward to this. 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Episode 201: Bluetooth gets better and more smart lights

The Internet of Things Podcast - Stacey On IoT

52:00 min | 2 years ago

Episode 201: Bluetooth gets better and more smart lights

"The. The. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the internet of things podcast. This is your host Stacey Higginbotham and your co host Kevin tofu, and we have an awesome show for the two hundred and I f- Assode of the internet of things podcast. We're gonna be talking about bluetooth snood location services. We're gonna be talking about a new smart lamp from a mattress company because when everyone's got a smart lamp now, we've got new light switches cameras in disguise big companies getting into home electricity. A new way to harvest energy in Japan is hacking people's devices for good. So we also have Ken colder up who is VP of marketing at the bluetooth sick who is going to be talking in detail about what we can expect from the new bluetooth specifications. And he's gonna explain what happened with beacons for us. We're going to hear from this week sponsor fair com. So all of this. And more ready for you. After a moment from another one of our sponsors guys this week, we're bringing it in new sponsor Western Digital. Western Digital creates environments for data to thrive on your phone in your car throughout your home and across cities everywhere. Data lives Western Digital is there to drive the innovation necessary for the best results today and tomorrow new devices new systems new solutions and world class data infrastructures all optimized in tune to create the right conditions for data to realize it's full potential. Learn more at data makes possible dot com. That's data makes possible dot com. Okay. Kevon we won't go too much into the bluetooth news because we've got a deep die from Ken colder up coming up, but we should tell people. What's happening? So on Monday. The six said that they are announcing new location based services for bluetooth. Basically, this means that your bluetooth low energy radios. They will now be able to tell where they are within about a few centimeters, which is pretty cool. It is. And I'm glad Ken is here because I wrote a post this week about what I think we could use this technology for security, but he has to say about the new feature in general the features called direction finding so with current bluetooth solutions like you may have a bluetooth tracking device like a tile or tracker, or whatever you might have and you can use a mobile app, and it will track the signal of that tracking device and kinda tell you how far away you are Manezh get closer, you may find loss keys, for example. That's what I use a bluetooth tracker for my house direction. In finding future takes it to a whole 'nother level and could whilst on a range of potential possibility such as indoor positioning asset tracking again like you said down to the center meter level. My thought is and maybe I'm thinking too hard on this. This could be huge for the smart home. And I don't think the smart homes gonna see it right away. It's going to be more like asset tracking inventory type solutions at first. But if it comes to the smart home think about this you can have actual personalized presence detection with this to the centimeter level. Meaning if I have a phone with this technology, or maybe a device like clip on to myself, or I put in my pocket, for example, mice smart home could actually tell where I am exactly mouse. And who I am because I would register that device to me. So now instead of like using a camera where motion sensor that says there somebody in that room. It could say, hey, Kevin is in his office in this spot. And when he's in the spot, he likes this music playing and this light on this temperature. And so on. This could bring a lot more context to the smart home is at least that's what I'm hoping. You are right to hope for that. It will take a little while. Now the way you've suggested it could work so one of the challenges with this new feature is that handset makers are going to have to adapt their phones to put the scent. So in the consumer side, you're not gonna see it on handsets until people get new bluetooth chips in there, which means new handsets. So that's a little ways out on the industrial side. There are actually companies already using precursors to the standard. So that's happening already for asset tracking with your idea what you would have to do is basically by a whole new cluster of goods. So you would have your dedicated thing, your clip on belt loop, whatever thing, and then you would have to have some sort of beacon infrastructure that Thanou around your home with appropriate antennas, but that could happen. And so we'll look for that. We'll see and no supposed to happen actually with beacons. Yes. It was. Again, you guys will enjoy the interview with kids, and he goes fairly deep on all of this stuff. And you know, explains what happens with beacons, which hey, speaking of beacons is a weird use case. But you know, I think is weird because it doesn't feel like the most efficient but ways is using bluetooth beacons in New York City's tunnels and bridges where you might lose your GPS signal. They're putting beacons every forty meters roughly. So that's what forty two meters per mile, forty two begins per mile. Yes. And at a cost of twenty eight dollars in change. It's about eight thousand dollars a mile to implement this in the ideas, you could be able to say, hey, when you're driving through there's a beacon inside a car driven by someone. I've not sure who and that would actually tell you how long it takes to traverse that particular bridge or tunnel. I get it. I just don't think this is the best radio technology for that. But maybe it is well in through few alternatives to good GP. S signal. And when you think about the tunnels that they have in New York City as well as the GW be George Washington Bridge has two levels. So if you're in the underneath level, you might lose GPS because you've got, you know, stealing stuff on cars on top of you on top level. I'm not sure what the alternative is than say signal. I mean, you don't need it for directions. But companies probably want it for data such as the traffic information. You how long has it taken to get across the GWP today or through the Lincoln tunnel that's trail, and we don't have great vehicle to vehicle or vehicle to infrastructure communication. So right. Something else. We've been talking about for a few years with WI fi on other things, but don't worry five geo fix at all. It's magic. Oh, yeah. Some five. All right. That was sarcasm for everyone who was not aware. All right. Let's talk about lighting because there's too crazy leading products out there. One is actually not crazy one is a big surprise. I think we'll go with a surprise first casper. The maker of beds when're online and get the mattress sent to your house in a box, and it expands in and that's that. Yeah. I mean, I have Leesa mattress in our house. So it's not a casper. But same idea casper pioneered this. It was lovely. They're getting into the smart home space with a lamp it is called the casper glow. In is actually a pretty cool device. You too high. Always tell people I need things to be smart. This is actually pretty smart. It is designed to dim in Brighton based on your circadian rhythms. So different type of light in the morning versus at night. It is designed to gradually dim at bedtime. I've actually had hue lights that have been designed to do this. So this is not totally new, but it is kind of a pretty. Eighty in a neat form factor. And it does not require a hub. So it also has this ambient light sensor, which gives the apparently modifies the light for the environment. You're in which is kind of nice. I'm like kind of gets rid of the blue light it emits, a warm, hue based on the ambient light. So that way it's not messing with your sleep patterns in the cool thing is you turn it off by flipping it over which I thought that's clever implementation because both ends of it have like power charging. So. Yeah, you just flip it over it. Still stays on goes off in. It's not losing power that way. Yeah. And then there's a bunch of other stuff. Now, the other cool thing is it's portable. So you can bring it places. Obviously, you have to charge it for normal use most of the time, but you can bring the glow with you. So they talk about you know, going into the bathroom in the middle of the night or getting a drink of water. You can bring the limp in. It'll will glow softly for you. Then feels like something I would need to see to believe, but I have solar powered LED lamps in my house for this on bay. Apocalypse? So I keep one by the bed in case we ever need. To stumble around the house, I can literally just lifted up from the basement lights up. So it's not smart, but it works. I doubt it lasts as long as glow because you can have this beyond continuously for up to seven hours on battery. These glows will not come cheaply. They single glow will cost eighty nine dollars, and a two pack that six together will cost a hundred and sixty nine dollars. So Kevin are you in? Think not I can only sleep for four or five hours at a time. Anyway. So I'll just stick with my connected bulbs in my bedroom. Okay. So sticking with lights and circadian rhythms. A new startup his come out called aro and Oro is a connected light switch that. I know there are so many guys, but this one is a little bit unique. It actually reminds me of the stack lighting, but those were bulbs few years ago, it kind of had both AI motion sensors presence detection in the light bulbs, and they would learn based on your habits in the Bose would dim and figure things out. And it was magic. I tried them out. They were pretty good. They weren't as magic as I thought they beep, but they did get better over time. The oral does all of this in a light switch so the switch you replace. It. It requires a neutral wire it sits on your wall it can detect when someone's in the room at learns your habits over time in it, basically tunes the lighting to again your circuit. Sian rhythm so cooler light in the morning while doing stuff and then dimming and turning orange ear at night. You would like about this is the number of sensors in here because they're light switches with just motion detection, they're not what I would call smart. The just replace one type of switch with another. They detect motion switch goes on these have. I think four sensors in them. So it's detects motion, but also sound proximity and the ambient light to understand when somebody's in the room. So aside from the smart learning aspect of it. I think these would be better more effective than just traditional motion sensor. Switch agreed now these Arlington. I was gonna say all those sensors in those smarts come at a price there. One ninety nine per switch, and that is a single gangs. Yeah. How ch- yes. Ouch. It's expensive. So this is probably actually it's not that much more expensive than outfitting your house with something like, the noon switches, and those if you guys recall, our switches that have preprogrammed lighting recipe. He's already in them. And they basically figure out what lights you have in your house, and then create the recipes based on that automatically. So again, what we're seeing is more automating more AI coming into this. What I'm curious about is when you live with these how the meets up with your real life because that's always the question when we start automating this type of stuff, right? It's one thing to say can learn, but how well does it. Learn. Do you have? Because remember when everyone, you know, remember when this came out, and everyone was like, I hate teaching my nest in people still have issues. I mean mine have mostly subsided. But part of that was just a learning curve. And we'll see how that works with something as integral as lady that's something you noticed right away. When it's not, right. Yep. Okay. In the creepy factor for the week. We have Panasonic launching a home security camera that's part of a floor lamp, it's the home hawk floor. Lamp this is on Kickstarter. So this is you know, maybe no one will fund it. But basically, this is a Salamn with a hidden high-definition security camera built in and I don't love cameras in the home. You guys already know this. But I think the verge put a story out about this was like God, this is an Airbnb nightmare as someone who stayed in Airbnb and found cameras. I'm like, yeah. Now, I'm going to have to have like CIA level bug detection happening when I go and stay in Airbnb, do you? I mean, it is integrated the cameras integrated into the lamp, it's not truly camouflage though, if you take a look at it, you can see the camera sensor, and so on so many if you're looking for it, you'll see it if you're not paying attention. Maybe somebody has it in their house in your in their house. You might not notice it him in. I wouldn't walk around check. Everybody's lamps before I decided to stay in that house. But it's not. Like, totally hidden. So it's not. Yeah. But it's not for me. That's for sure you should clarify. It is on indigo go. It is not uncared starter. My bad you guys and so in. Yeah. I don't like this. I don't like, you know. Yes. All right. The one nice thing, I will say it obviously plugs into a wall like any traditional lamp, and you don't need a smart Bulger in there or anything like that. But if the power goes out this can all run on for up to ninety minutes on eight AA batteries. See have a backup power source for your ten plus Cameron. You're never gonna make me like this. Okay. Go to Mike in the speaker. You can talk to somebody from far away from the lamp stop letting did you meet off my couch. I mean, I could see why homeowners want to do this. But I'm also kind of like if the trade off for the sharing economy is surveillance constantly. That's not what we're signed up for you know. No, no. There are other countries to move to if you want that. Anyway. All right. So let's talk about let's talk about Google and Amazon getting into electricity for Google this last should be the second time around they actually had a smart energy program. So did Microsoft way back in two thousand eleven and two thousand twelve but this is a story from the Wall Street Journal talking about how the big players are Lee at home automation, and all the data. That's being produced in realizing, hey, we could be better energy Stewart's better utilities. It's smart. I mean, we always wonder what are companies doing with all of this smart home data some of it's probably not good. But some is good. I think this is a perfect example from the Wall Street Journal story is that during a solar eclipse in two thousand seventeen obviously everybody who had SOLER. Title wasn't generating any electric city which could affect the grid as well. Because a lot of solar panels are still grid tied. So they feed energy in when they have an overabundance of it and Google apparently encouraged nest owners to opt into a program that cooled off devices. I guess this was in the summertime during the eclipse cool off their homes rather before the power supply fell because the eclipse and then during the eclipse thermostats turned the temp up at few degrees. So that air conditioning was not running. And apparently they had three quarters of a million customers participating, and they reduce the energy consumption by seven hundred megawatts, which is no small bit power. Oh, yeah. And this makes sense. A demand response has been around for awhile utilities have participated in basically, controlling people's you sign up you control someone's thermostat, and you can say, oh, we've got a lot of demand right now. Let's turn everybody's thermostats up by a little bit people can opt out of these programs. But when you start having more connected devices, you can actually start. Making an impact across a wider SWEB in they're still going. I mean, the biggest energy consumption devices in the home are HVAC so h vac air conditioning in such and water heaters. And they're already utilities that are looking at connected water heater companies and saying, hey, maybe we could control that after that we get into washers and dryers or big consumers ovens world pool. I know his talk to you 'til it is about this. But it would be much easier for one monolithic company who has access to this data to do these types of things as opposed to like a whirlpool making deals with. I don't know how many utility providers there are across the US, but there's more than just two and there's a consumer benefit to. This was one of those times giving up data gives you something back in return. A lot of regions have variable energy rates, and if there's, you know, a very high demand rates can skyrocket. So if you pre cooled your home, for example, you might be able to. Do so at the lower rate and just kind of whether the storm where demand is high in there for prices are high C may actually pay less and still feel relatively the same comfort level bright that is the goal here. He doesn't always happen as someone who's dealt with demand response. But that is the goal. Okay. Speaking of energy use on a smaller scale, a team of researchers out of 'em IT has developed a material that could lead to a breakthrough in energy harvesting in that is grabbing small bits of energy to power sensors or tiny battery powered devices today. This is really important. You guys the internet of things we cannot be changing batteries if we're gonna have fifty billion connected devices. We have to have things that have energy harvesting capabilities. So this particular research has basically created a two dimensional material that is three atoms Vic that can convert radio signals from any sort of radio. So why fi cell phone or whatever into power is pretty cool. Kevin. Yeah. It's really cool. I mean, they call it a two dimensional material because small three atoms thick it's made of it's a film made of mullet dim thyself on I probably pronounce that wrong. But yeah, it can act as an antenna, but additionally, it could harvest energy from the radio waves that antenna is gathering as well. So you're not gonna generate tons of electricity this way, but for small devices small low power devices may be aware. Well, that's probably pushing it. But maybe you could essentially maybe have no battery in it perhaps in these the effort to get power out of our f- signals is not new this is actually something that's been happening for a long time. You could actually even think of things like, hey, wireless power is basically that these sorts of things are being researched in lots of different places right now. What's interesting is today? We only have a couple energy like energy harvesting technologies. They are pies ios so movement based so clicking changing things anything. Connecticut. Temperature difference. Can also generate power and then solar. So like, those are all probably more efficient at this moment in they're not very efficient, especially at small rages. I mean solar pretty efficient. But if you've got a small device, you have a small solar panel on top of it. It will generate as much, but you know, we've got to get better we've got to do more. So it's really important to have this type of research out there. Right. And as you said this has been around for a while in practice because anybody's using RFID card said enter a building, for example, that has an antenna in it, and it has no power. There's no battery, but when it receives a signal it can get a little bit of juice just enough to basically say, hey, send a signal back or read the signal in and therefore unlock a door, for example. So we have this technology, but we're not using it in ways that we need to fry Otake. Right. So let's go from cool energy harvesting. Let's keep that up. Y'all all the way to Japan. Kevin. What are the Japanese doing? Well, the Japanese got. Is going to hack into millions of Japanese citizens connected devices, but it's not a bad thing. It's actually being done to improve cyber security so what they're doing. And by that. I mean, Japan's National Institute of information and communications technology group is going to basically use default passers and password dictionaries of basic passwords, and they're going to try and break into about two hundred million devices, they're gonna start with webcams routers. So I don't know go actually move beyond that into phones and other things. But regardless when they do that, if they are successfully gaining access to a device, they're gonna contact the owner of that device to advise them. Hey, you might want to change your password. I'm not exactly sure how they're funny out who owns what device at a two hundred million devices, but that's on them. But I think this is a great program because too many people, you know, the weak link is that password or maybe the router in the home, and so on so this is a thing for good not for evil. So this is one hack that I like, yes. Okay. And finally it let's talk about. Out Amazon making it easier to build skills for meadow. May yet if you're a developer, and you making Amazon echo skills, you may be doing two things one building the skill, but to worrying about all the back end stuff on the server to host it and do processing, and so and so forth. Amazon actually has a beta program. Call Madame a hosted skills, and that is now available to all developers. It was very limited in a private preview, but it's open to everybody now. And what this does is instead of worrying about the hosting for your ATS, Lambda bits and all Amazon actually just hosted for you. And they have a free tier with access to AWS Lambda five gig of storage and fifteen gig of monthly data transfer. So you don't have to worry about setting up a server or setting up some instance somewhere else on on the cloud. That's not Masan. It basically takes all that away. And that way, you can just focus on skill development. Yes. And I have an update from last week. So last week we talked about smart apartments. I don't know if. I assume you guys we talked about a particular woman who was on Twitter talking about how she as a security researcher was not comfortable with her apartment going with automated door locks mostly but just an overall automated system, we talked about why we thought, hey, this may not be the best implementation of this because she wasn't given any choice while Leslie car heart who is the Whitehead hacker who did this. She actually wrote a blog post about it talking about security things to consider when your apartment goes smart. And she talks a bit about the situation. But she also brings up some really good points that I think are worth sharing with everybody. So she talks about win assessing the sort of thing, what is your threat model and for her. It's pretty high because she is a professional hacker of nation states and other people, and you know, those kind of people they might often become targets. So that for her. It's a big deal for maybe. Kevin or I might not be a big deal especi-. Because we live in a single family home. If someone were going to go through the trouble to wanna break into our house VR door locks it probably be better off just using a screwdriver crowbar right now in an apartment building because there's the potential for someone to be able to open a bunch of doors at once that does change the threat model there, even if you're a nobody. So that was one point that I thought was interesting, and then she also did a really deep dive, and we'll link to this into how you define a smart lock in how basically keyed locks or taking care of how revolving pin codes work, it's cetera in it's actually a really good look at both how the locks work in different exploitation methods that have been used to break them in the past. So did she say she's moving. She did not say that she is moving who cut. And then she went into the issues associated with the hub. We've talked actually about a lot of these things in to her credit. She actually talks about why a landlord might want some of this stuff. And I do think that there are benefits to a landlord and if done correctly. Everybody wins. That's the thing. I don't think any of us either you me or her have an issue with smarter finding an apartment, it's the implementation that's being done in this particular case. Yes. So I love this story. I love the death in which she goes, you should probably check it out. And maybe assess how you feel about your own smart, home and security in the wake of this. So all right. Let's and I know that's an odd note for someone like me who's like, I put all kinds of craziness in my house, but I actually do consider every device I bring in and I talked to people about the security of every device that I bring in. So it's not this crazy Pell mell adoption of technology that it might sound like it is from the show. So okay now, it is time for our is not podcast hotline voicemail. So this week. We have a new sponsor for the hotline, except it's an existing sponsor that you guys are probably really familiar with a oh has taken over this month. Sponsorship of the IOT podcast hotline. A feral makes platform that helps companies get their devices on the internet of things Kenmore and dealing have both used a pharaoh and as part of that they have experienced as much as an eighty percent reduction in time to market ninety nine percent. Fewer support calls in ten x higher activation rates. So if you were in the market for an IOT platform provider or someone to help you build your connected products. Go visit a pharaoh dot IO to learn more. That's af E R O dot I O O K. And this week's caller is Monte who wants to find an appropriate see wave hub. Let's hear from him. Mm-hmm. By Stacy and Kevin and norm. If you're listening, this is Monte from Salt Lake just starting to do some smart things in my home. And I trying to find a best of Z way stuff. What's a good hub that I would use? Thank you. Okay. Monty. I'm actually gonna steer you away from a hub. If you are just beginning. I don't know if I would recommend bringing Z wave into your house, and I think there are plenty of other options, even in the sensor department that you could get away with just using bluetooth and wifi and probably something like a Google home or a Madam a if you hate that idea, though, Kevin has some excellency wave recommendations for you. Yes. Since Monte says he's kinda just getting started out. I would say let's keep it. Simple and go with either a Samsung smart-t things hub or a wing cub. Because both of those would have bluetooth WI fi Enzi wave the not too expensive the relatively easy to set up. If you wanna get into a little more technical. Solution hubba tat would work for you. But again, it's not for somebody's just starting out. I'm actually in the process of finishing up my review of the hubbub tat and even somebody who's been playing with these things for the better part of eight years. It's a bit of a learning curve on setting up an automating things actually did come up with two other options for Monte, if Monte if you're looking for a Z wave hub, and you're also in the market to add some smarts to a television set, you might wanna think about the Invidia shield TV box, which is an injured TV box. You can stream all kinds of online things services pretty much anything and everything other than I tunes right now. And what you can do is. They sell a smart things USB angled, which turns it into a smart things hub as well. So it's two for one you're going to pay more. Obviously, you're looking at probably about one hundred seventy dollars for the invitation shield TV, and then another thirty or forty for the dangle, but I just wanted to put that out there. So lastly, if all you want is wave hub and. Don't think that's what you want. But just in case foot borrow actually they make the home center to it doesn't have WI fi doesn't have bluetooth, but it does have Z wave. So it's an initial case he doesn't give you probably what you want in the future. But it's something to consider as well. Ideally, though, I go with wing. That's just me. It's relatively the easiest one to us. And it's been rock-solid for me, I will endorse wink and smart things as a distant second. If you are willing to get into some kind of flake, if you're really into DIY smart things is the way to go. Yes, again, I would encourage you to look for bluetooth and wifi solutions. You actually don't have to go z wave anymore. They're even bluetooth and wifi locks out there. There are plenty of light switches. Yeah. It depends Mony on what you're trying to make smart that would take a look and see what options that device or devices have if they're just Z wave. Okay. You need your ZOA pub. But if there are options for bluetooth or wifi for the same products. I'd consider those. We've talked about this quite a bit in the last few months. It seems like the industry is just simplifying in going with a consolidated wifi and bluetooth solution in the smart home these days, and if you decide that L, I don't eat Z wave, but I really wanted to be you could get the Amazon echo, plus which is a slightly easier user experience, but that won't work with every single sixty device out there. So just bear all that in mind when you add disease, you're adding complexity all right? If you guys have a question that you would like us to answer, please give us a call on the T podcast hotline at five one two six to three seven four two four next week. We will announce our January winners of the this is a Google home device say use Google home device as part of my spring cleaning slash. Oh my God. I moving I will be giving the winner of our February contests. A we mow switch. So it is used, but it isn't lovely condition in even we'll have the bucks. So. So if you want call us at five one two six to three seven four two four, and you will be entered to win you call before January thirty first you will be entered to win a Google home. You call after that you'll be entered to win a we MOS switch. This is a wifi dimmer. Switch. It's lovely. All. Right. That's it for the news portion of the show. Now. Stay tuned for our guest, Ken, colder up who is VP of marketing at the bluetooth sick. He'll be talking about bluetooth new location services. What happened to beacons and four? Hey, everyone. We are taking a quick break from the internet of things podcast or a message from our sponsor, this sponsor is database provider. Fair. Come and we have a Volvo Oliva who is here to talk to us about fair comes new C tree edge database if Aldo fair commas develop this database for the edge. But what about the cloud? What role does it have for computing and how can a database help while the call up slowly critical for not including for? Competing -cations. There's no question about it, especially because of the incredible amount of processing capacity in city that the cloud brings to the table. However, some of the mutations with the cloud has they might be a problem pride competing, for example. Latency typical cloud ladies like hundreds of Minnesota winds are way too high. If you're trying to control some having destroyed dollar equipment. Imagine that some critical sensors has been triggered in indicating an obstruction that may damage your machine that you have about ten to twenty minutes seconds to stop the machine. This cannot be done with the cloudiness part of the critical path in such cases, a much better alternative is to make sure you have all this data readily available onto edge right beside the machines, you're trying to control. So that's what I did obeys. It makes the difference. And how does that help and edge application developer? Well, your -plication your education needs to be able to read the state as fast as possible with minimal layers in between location and date itself. Making sure you've guaranteed the status. Also, properly persisted is critical for later audits. For example, if you didn't investigate root causes of what? A problem and last but not least keeping to sequence of events. Like any typical transactional system who help you to understand the events that triggered the situation is are all features of what we believe IT did have as needs to provide. And they're all covered by Sutri edge. Excellent. So can you explain how see tree edge helps customers to address all of these concerns? Sure since we address we've designed with this requirements in mind. Let's talk about throughput, for example, c three edge provides a neutral fast Kiko store interface for applications to query directly with all typical extra layers the sequel database usually introduces complex sequel relational queries are within a Serie privacy sensor. Data processing the perfect example of using all the of Akito store engine to support real time processing another good point is the guarantee of persistence and transactions to to edge score engine is the fully transactional database guaranteeing acid compliance a relief implication from concerns like making sure that that is properly written to the disk or solid state drive. Auditors can rely on the debates to know for sure that the historical data. Of any past event is safely stored transactions is also guaranteed the ability to replicate this data automatically to a remote location like the clouds. This is an important feature that sits edge can provide. And do it for you without the need to develop on application that does that NS. We talk about last week C three edges highly secured with jiffy to six eighty s encryption and finally since we also provides what we call an IOT micro services layer that makes integration with your application much easier like providing an embedded infancy broker as part of a solution. So where can our listeners find out more information about fair comes see tree edge database? What would just publish the great video showing a live demonstration of halting? You'll see tweet it's an example running on arrest. Barry fide at collects data from sensors in real time persisted data you can check it out. No website. It's available at the fair. Com dot com slash is not. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the internet of things podcast. This is your host Stacey Higginbotham. And today's guest is Ken colder up who is VP of marketing at the bluetooth sag. Hi, ken. How are you doing? I'm doing very well. Thank you for having me on the show today. We are glad to have you because bluetooth is I'm gonna go with pretty important for the internet of things. And there's a luck going on with bluetooth about year and a half ago, you launched bluetooth mesh which will cover. I'm sure but this week you actually just launched a new capability, which is better location. Finding services can you? Tell us a little bit about that over the last couple years. You mentioned we've been introducing the community really is the one who does all the work here. Adding number new capabilities to bluetooth to help out and neither opening up. New market opportunities are trying to do a better job in some of the areas of bluetooth already plays. You mentioned mesh some things. We did we do five longer rain connections. Faster speed connections. And so now the community actually this next week is going to be adding a new capability called direction. Finding what's fresh and finding at a very high level. This is a new feature that will enable one bluetooth device to determine the direction of another bluetooth device or a lightly. More technical note, they don't naval a bluetooth receiver to be able to determine the direction of signal. That's coming from a bluetooth transmitter. So very simple concept. One with you divide canal understand the direction of a another device. The reason this is so important and kind of the allegations of this is the members really added this capability to help out in this whole location services area, where tubes has been seen a lot of growth over the last three or four years. And it what's going on here. Is that today? If you're familiar with bluetooth location services, everything from these kind of consumer level item finding products like those tiles and trackers little personal asset tags. You can put on your keys your wallet or things like that. So either those. More simple consumer level solutions all the way up to very sophisticated enterprise level real time locating systems that are used to track assets. And people in kind of locations like hospitals and factory floors all of them, the use of same basic simple building block with bluetooth. And that's the ability for to bluetooth devices to really understand when they're in range of each other and then to use single strength measurements to kind of estimate the distance between them. So that little basic capability is what's been powering this whole location services market, which is expected to go to like four hundred million unions here in the next couple of years. So basically, this is the equivalent of standing in a crowded room and shouted here. I am here. I am in someone else. Gauging? How far you are from basically. Oh sounds like she's about twenty feet away. That's right. So if we use an using signal strength. You know, how do I hear you then estimate how far away you are? And these solutions work really well. But now imagine if my smartphone. Could not only use a signal strength to determine distance to another device, but it could also understand signal direction. So now that after my smartphone could now not only tell me how far away is. But it can actually point me in the right direction, which would make finding my keys a whole lot easier. Agreed. So when we're talking about direction, this means like I'm going north or south or rider left or how does that work knows is actually just the directions? Go back to that analogy of you yelling and me trying to hear you not only can I kind of get by how mouthed I hear you that can get to me how far away by now I can actually determine which direction you are in. So I know she's over that way. Right. It's not north south east kind of direction records. It can just understand where that signal is coming from. So we'll voice out of your mouth. I understand where it is. In this case, bluetooth, a bluetooth receiver can understand in which direction a booth transmitter happens to be three hundred sixty degrees around you wherever it might happen to be canal. Oh, it's that way. Okay. And so if I'm a developer, and I'm building an application that wants to take advantage of this. How would I implement that for the end consumer? What does that mean for you know, developers building? And then people who are they're building for that. Another use case, I want to talk about what is probably where we're going to see things happen sooner. But in this one is more consumer anyone you this one requires the handset guys to ask this capability. And that's you know, that's things they would some pretty sophisticated things they need to do, including the addition of an attentive rate inside the device itself. So that may take some time. But once that's done, I would presume that the has it bender in coordination with their other suppliers would then surface API's to the developer communities that would be able to then get the information from the bluetooth radio in order to estimate determined signal direction. And then that could be built into various applications like this item finding when we talked about. So this is the application you expect to develop I or is this the other more consumer friendly one. And there is. A different one that will develop. I yeah. Anytime you we introduce a new capability and necessary for the hamster vendors included that you know, that takes time. You know, there's handset cycles that are involved in that. So there is another key area of location services where I think might start seeing direction finding included sooner. And that's in those more sophisticated solutions. I I mentioned earlier those kind of enterprise level real time locating systems like asset tracking and things like that. So if you look at those they use that same basic building block, we'd talked about earlier with devices understanding range and signal strength measurements to estimate distance between them. But in this case, there are a number of blue locator devices that are deployed you in six locations throughout the building. And those locators are constantly listening for you know, bluetooth tags that are cast various mobile assets or people within in that in. That system is tracking the locations of them in the way that works is each of those locators is also reporting back to a central server all the time. Exit concurrently here as well as the signal strength from each in other. In other words, its distance from the located to each of the tags that it can see and using that data from the locators server can then kinda calculate exactly. The physical location of any tags as long as three or more locators can see it and today using that kind of technique, which we just talked about these systems are able to determine the location of something with so called meter level. Accuracy, they can figure it out right here within kind of one to ten meters, depending on deployment considerations. But now signals direction now these locators can not only report back to the server the signal strength coming from the tags. But also the direction so not only do I hear it at a certain signal level. I also know it's that way and by reporting back all that additional information server can now dramatically improve its accuracy of the terminating way or something is going from kind of meter level of accuracy down through centimeter level. That's what's acquire. For the deployment. So these systems where the hand is not necessarily involved, it just locators Athen and things like that. That's where I think you'll start to see this direction finding feature brought I and that's there's actually commercial bluetooth based systems today that are doing it. They're just doing it with a pre standard implementation of this direction finding capability and so that's why I think they'll be coming to market Sooners. I think some of those folks may be upgrading their existing systems to now the true standard implementation of it taught it so you said within centimeter accuracy, which pretty impressive. And then also does this have a sense of up and down. So if I'm in a multi-storey building can I find things that way right now required? There are rendered out there. They're doing the pre standard implementations where they're able to track the position something in real time within ten to twenty centimeters. So you really really precise. Accuracy. I think one of the vendors actually using it in kind of hockey applications where they're tracking players in the puck. As it moves around on ice rink and. Yeah, the nice thing about this is when you have this angled determination, if you have multiple locators all getting a angled determination or a direction of that signal. Yeah. Now, you know elevated as well. Okay. So when should we start seeing you say soon now that the standards out there when will we start seeing this and enterprise applications, and then when we see it may be in consumer, and yes, the handset cycles will matter. That's right. So I think in the enterprise applications certainly this year, I think we'd expect to see some of those potentially existing systems upgraded to the standard and potentially some others that are in states. Adding this capability was more consumer level applications that require some work on a handset. Yeah. Always hard for us to give guidance there that really is up to a few players out there. And we certainly hope that they take a look at this and ask these capabilities and maybe this time next year. We're seeing some stuff come to market okay in. Let's talk about some of the news. You guys discussed at CBS, which was profiles in you know. If I can take folks back down memory lane for awhile bluetooth has been around for a longtime. But historically, it's been I say, historically, because I'm old I'm like directly, it was focused on audio and being able to transmit, you know, audio to your speaker to bluetooth speaker audio to your headphones in now, we're really taking something that had a pretty narrow focus and turning it into something that has really applicable for everything from, you know, sensor readings all the way up to location in even things like oh light bulbs. So talk to me about kind of the journey that bluetooth has made in the concessions the cig- is trying to make as it tries to build out. These use cases that are hugely varied than driving. And I'm I mentioned a little earlier. The that's one thing. That's always impressed me about the community. It doesn't stand still. It's the communities continually adding new capabilities to address new Marcus, and that's a multiple levels. I mean, you know, if you go back enough somebody recall. The bluetooth plastic radio the Biard eighty our radio, and then the community added a whole new radio bluetooth, low energy radio back in two thousand ten and that one of love opportunities of it self, but not only the radio layer. But even now that you look at more with the ways bluetooth enabled devices to connect so initially as you mentioned, it was all about audio and simple point to point connections of streaming Honey between my hand said, and the speaker or something like that. But it also expanded to broadcast communications. So allowing one device that can give too many around it. And that's what powered the whole bluetooth beacon revolution. As we'd like to talk about many many use cases for using bluetooth broadcast apology if you will. And then as we talked about earlier about eighteen months ago, the community added yet another way with mesh networking, so allowing tens hundreds or thousands of devices to all be able to communicate to each other in a many many kind of policy, so they could all securely reliably and with high-performance be able to exchange messages with each other. And that was brought to market really be. Be a catalyst or an enabler for a lot of these emerging markets. Like, smart omens, mar building where you have that need for many many devices to be able to securely and reliably able to communicate with one each other. When another one of the markets that this mesh networking technology was targeted at his smart home market. And you know, there's been a lot of progress there that market is evolved a lot over the last couple of years. In fact, if I take it a little bit of back, we look at the smart home in two different ways. One is as the kind of connected home, and then kind of true home on invasion, connected, home is where Lucas is being used to just connect lots of things in the home. And it's kind of stuff you've looted to earlier TV's or connected to sound bars. Game boxes to controllers. My smartphone is connected to tools toys, toothbrushes, lots of things in the home. And there's probably a half a billion dollars shifts just as last year alone in that market. And then there's the more kind of full home automation area where you know, involves more sophisticated solutions being deployed for control and automated of the infrastructure in the home. Home lighting, heating, cooling security and things like that. And that's the one that has much more nascent market, although we are shipping almost one hundred million units as last year in in that area. But it's one that I've excited to see a lot of progress being made in in the last couple of years we've seen you're the for me. It's been good to see the big tech players you stepping in here and providing kind of this next order to some of the chaos to this market for a while, so Google and Amazon domestically Alibaba and Yami, for instance, in China, and these companies are really coming in. And they're they have the wherewithal to really pull things together to create large ecosystems to attract the developer community and to deliver truly compelling experiences and things like that. And and we've been excited that about that happening because I think that's going to represent the next grow. And we've had several these big ecosystems now make the kind of strategic decision to select bluetooth. And specifically booed mesh as you know, keep protocol for their overall. Smart home strategy, and we've seen lots of Grosso, even since it lasts, eighteen months. The number of products that are bluetooth many falsified have been really doubling almost every six months. So after the six months since we launched the spec there were thirty five products after twelve months, it was up to sixty after eighteen months was just about a month ago. The over one hundred twenty so it's been growing really rapidly on this kind of doubling after every six months, and based on everything I'm seeing I think we should expect that to continue for a while here. All right. Let's talk about the enterprise and industrial uses. I know that there are variety of hub makers and companies from Cossio to Gato who are trying to help bring and make bluetooth a little bit more accessible for enterprises. How is that going? And what are the things that those use cases need that? We should be considering. Yeah, we talked about it. A couple of emerging markets for bluetooth with represent really big growth opportunities in the enterprise. Or we just generally refer to it as the smart building market is absolutely. You know, one of those, you know, right now, we're seeing really strong growth on couple of fronts. You know? I actually relates to the one we were talking about earlier than Seoul area location services, which has been, you know, building very well for couple of years now and also blue indoor positioning system for things like way, finding so large facilities and enterprises things like shopping malls, deploying those systems to facilitate visitors now throughout it airports doing the same. So visitors can find their way to gates and amenities route. So those that whole location services areas in going really really well in the enterprise, market know, the other newer area in smart building really started with this little launch of mesh networking about eighteen months ago and the big bright spot there, actually, new pun intended. There's actually lighting control. And what we've been seeing that, you know, many commercial buildings all types are kind of make him as rapid shift from compact fluorescent lighting failure de limi- in at the same. Time they're doing that. They're looking to move to wireless lighting controls. It provides lower cost speed flexibility, a next level of sophistication to me, you know, new regulatory requirements things like that. And that momentum has been building, you know, very well. So we've been seeing a lot of lighting vendors both on a commercial end residential. They're really on commercial front, especially over this last eighteen months. So that whole shift to kind of smart connected writing seems to be really really good growth area for us right now. I think bluetooth with meshes very well positioned there in as bluetooth evolves. I'd love to talk to you about beacons because they felt so promising, and then they ended up being so not promising and yet a lot of the technologies were talking about in this conversation or things that we thought we'd do with beacons. And now, we're basically going to do it with gateways and other devices. So can you kind of talk to me about I guess what happened with beacons? And then how that concept has adapted to maybe what we hope we need. Yeah. Sure. I think the. You take it back far enough. This goes back to what happens with many technologies, I guess and by the way, I think it's actually going quite well beacons, but you're back when the community adage with low energy in one of the things that got introduced with that was the ability to broadcasting, right? We've talked about a bluetooth device canal just broadcast out messaging messages, and any device around and can hear those, and you know, the community's been very creative with ways us that. And that's what led if you go. If you remember a little bit of the progression apples, the one that introduced the IB can protocol as a means to kind of figure out how to use that keep ability to support point of interest information beacons or using by cast apology to serve a variety of different opportunities. I think there's a lot of interesting ways to use bluetooth broadcast one is as a to support these point of interest information began. So we still are seeing a lot of museums. Putting these beacons on exhibits to allow visitors to get more information about it retail environments are deploying beacons on various products. And dial displays and so forth to facilitate chopping experience. So who to broadcast, capability servicing. These beacons is still a very growing market, but that broadcast capability of who's being leveraged for many many different things. So it's actually the fundamental technology behind bluetooth mesh. So all the devices in a mesh network are actually using broadcast and communications as a way for them to communicate to each other. But the answering requests, yes, yes, it is in this is partly. I mean, this is as you point out. This is technology adapting, you know. This is basically like we're gonna put a capability out there and see how people react to it. And what they do with it. So this this makes sense. Okay. Here's another thing. I'll add onto that you're in another area. Go. So for instance, we were in there. Still are many many sensors Lucians us gluteus they can choose any different way to communicate using that can use to point to point connection back to a gateway. They can use a broadcast communication this kind of beacon communication to communicate information back to a gateway or they gonna. Use mash. So that's one of the things that's developers really like about this flexibility. Not just one way to communicate. I can communicate over it went to wait connection. I could do to rebroadcast connection. I can do it now over mash, etc. So it's a it's provides a really good flexible platform for developers to choose. What's is the right approach for them? All right. Thank you so much for coming on the show this week. Of course, thank you for having me. That's it for this week. Thanks so much for listening. And remember if you'd like more, I o t news sign up for my newsletter at Stacey on IOT dot com. We'll see you next week.

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The Impossible Burger #022

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The Impossible Burger #022

"This week from GNC week in review power by geek, new central Burger King rolls out the impossible burger, Eric Schmidt is walking out plus a lot of Google and apple news. Those are some of the tech new stories miss week. And it's Friday may third twenty nineteen. My name is Kirk cordless and as episode twenty two the GNC week in review podcast part of the tech podcast network, Gabe, it's tech. It's here. Thank you so much for tuning in for this episode. And if you are new listener police sure to subscribe to the podcast where he can find on the right hand side column at GNC weekly dot com. The album podcast, Google podcast, your favorite podcasts at Android or on tune in Spotify, Stitcher. Get connected with GNC W. I R be it social media or Email at GNC weekly dot com forward slash connect. I'm so sorry. I didn't have an episode for last week. I was not feeling. Well, I was sick with a cold battling all last weekend. And I'm throwing a lot better. See came into the right episode this week with a lot of tech news. And it's going to be a huge tech news episode. So we're in jump in with a tech news of the week and from gig, new central dot com and leading off the tech news this week. It's in the huge Google news block where alphabet excuse me. Alphabet held its Q. One twenty nineteen earnings. Call eight between alphabet quarterly revenue hit thirty six point three six point six billion dollars. However is lower than washy estimate of that thirty seven point seven billion dollars. It's also an increase of seventeen percent compared to this time last year making it the slowest increase in last three years for comparison sake key, one twenty eighteen saw an increase of twenty six percent of this year's rubbing new eighty four point five percent came from advertising where it has. Accounted for eighty five point five percent. Last year. Google Saul increase expenses for Q one twenty nineteen them going with that going up sixteen point five percents. You torn nine point seven twenty nine point seven billion dollars grant expenses has been trend trend of alphabet for last two years. Speaking of expenses part of that twenty nine point seven billion dollar number includes a one point seven billion dollar fine, which go had to pay the European Commission for infringing on competition laws with ads sense and Google search taking a look at Google with alphabet seventy percent of entry sending percent of entry level, Android phones or running Android. Go. First time buyers on Google play store grew fifty percent who go home and Google home mini. Demand is strong Google also happy with current smartphone. Sales Shalini Gobi pie recently stated in an interview that Android TV. Now has a total five thousand apps and games up from three thousand this time last year Google's aspirations for Android. Tv does not end with video once more support apps out of an added Google next look to expand into more, fitness and education apps as well. As games for the platform. There is even a redesigning for the play store in the works with video previews of absent order to make the experience more cinematic for now the majority of Android, TV users are those TV's and kale boxes running Android. Tv Google is also toying with the notion. Allowing users to subscribe directly to channels such as HBO Showtime or CVS now similar to how Roucou Amazon coin do things instead of using apps. Eric Schmidt will depart alphabets Boorda's June after holding a seat for eighteen years. His departure comes over just to the year after Schmidt step down from his role as alphabet execute executive chairman. Schmidt has been has been a key president of Google during his time with the company he initially. He initially took a board seat in two thousand one when he was made CEO Google a role. He was given essentially to lend business expertise to what companies founders Larry Larry page and Sergey Brin having the building in twenty eleven he left the CEO position McCain Google's executive chairman as being of twenty eight team he step down from that role became a regular board member in a press release. Alphabet announced that Schmidt would not seek re election to the board westrom up on June nineteenth. Alphabet says he'll remain a quote technical advisor to company role his has last year. Schmidt said that he will be stepping down or two. Quote, the next generation of talent Serb he said, he'll be teaching more work. He'd teaching more working at his film, filling up Phil napb philanthropic organization were out Schmidt futures and using his role as technical advisor to quote, coach, alphabet and Google business tech. Last August, the Associated Press reported that various app that various Google apps storm, the timestamped locations of the vices, and once they installed some of this collection regar- some of this collection occurs, regardless of which privacy settings are enabled excuse me. Google location services by my device. Search and maps continuously record talent data, but other entries can be viewed in manly Delina on Android. IRS in the web. Angry will says it's committed to streamline the auditing process with Newell tools in coming weeks. Google plans to roll out with setting they'll let users delete location data on a manically from within the Google account dashboard on mobile and the web a drop down option will allow them to one of two windows, three months or eighteen months. Specifying how long they like to retain data the control also cover web active web and active web and app actively for example, things search and browse and Google services like discover on Android maps, search Google play and Google says that any older that any older data will be deleted on on Gooding on going. Business and finally to wrap up the Google news. This week Google has reviewed more than one million suspected terrorist videos on YouTube and last in the first three months at twenty nineteen. According to a letter that the quintal letter Google sent to US lawmakers in the April twenty four letter may public Thursday as part of a press release from the house committee on security. Goodwill said ninety thousand of those violated ninety thousand of those videos violated its it's terrorism policy. Google owns YouTube said it spends quote, hundreds of millions of dollars annually on content review, the house committee urge Facebook Twitter YouTube and Microsoft to do a better job of removing volun- content volleying posts about the deadly New Zealand mosque shooting in March in April Representative max, rose and other Democrats asked for the websites. Budgets to see how the platforms were fighting terrorism. Rose said I along with committee committee, chairman Bennie Thompson said in the press release, quote, the fact that some Thursday presently excuse me, the fact that some of the largest corporations in our world on able to tell us what they're specifically doing stop terrorists and extremists content is not acceptable. Also included a link to the awesome clues a link to the Google letter. As wasn't linked to a letter from Twitter in its letter Twitter said putting a dollar amount on efforts to combat terrorism is a quote complex request. Instead, the company details efforts suspended counts in the violation. So its policies Twitter's director of public public policy and threaten Carlos Monge Monje junior said and companies letter, quote, we have now suspended more than one point four million accounts for violations related or promotion of terrorism between August fifteenth twenty fifteen and June thirtieth twenty eighteen. During the most recent reporting period of January one twenty eighteen through June thirty twenty eight team we suspended a total of two hundred five thousand one hundred fifty six one hundred fifty six accounts the release from the house house committee on homeland security documentary responses from Twitter and Google YouTube, but said, no company answer requests, Congress's quote properly or fully Microsoft response wasn't listed the release said Facebook hadn't respond yet. The social media Facebook did however bar far right figures like Alex Jones and me. You're not less on Thursday. The companies didn't meet a resp- didn't mean didn't immediately respond to quest comment. On tuesday. Facebook announcing sweeping Ziying of its social network, ditching its icon, ick blue menu bar and replacing what they cleaner white design and placing greater than emphasis on groups. The new Luke the new looks gives me was formerly inviting unveiled at F A F Facebook's annual developer conference in San Jose, California. It gives Facebook on appearance. Eight more closely resembles messenger, the clean lines and ample white space. Facebook's new look also aligns with the look on Instagram there also significant structural changes that place, greater emphasis on user. Created groups users can post two groups directly from the homepage groups are given greater prominence on website on the left hand side sidebar on desktop and new tools on being added to specialize types of groups the redesign mobile apple launched right away. Launch right away. They face person. Facebook's a face book spokesperson said in an Email announcement which while ill roll out more slowly on desktop quote. In the next few months on desktop all users have eight we'll have a groups tab added to the top of their Facebook homepage on the mobile app. Orders less space these these tabs change based on which Facebook. Teachers users features users the most and the tab itself has on has undergone redesign showing the various groups users part of an post from within them groups themselves. Also are getting some changes to account for increasingly specialized uses members of health support groups, for example, can ask group admins to quote post on their behalf in or protected of privacy around sensitive topics in an apparent attempt to stop people from disclosing sensitive medical data opening on Facebook templates are being created for employers to. Post job advertisements in group. Job groups. Facebook is also adding a suite of new features across the four across the core Facebook app, it isn't it is. Introducing a new feature called quote, meet new friends, which act says a kind of a platonic matchmaking service. Letting users massage message strangers from groups or companies apart of and Facebook dating. It's tender rival is adding a quote secret cross feature that lets you use or no if they an existing friend harbor hidden feelings for each other without exposing them if it's required. The dating toll is lawn is launching and fourteen countries, though, it's still not in the US based book is also rolling out new rolling out. New tools to help users buy and sell and they sold over. I think this cold has got my tongue again. Facebook is also rolling out new is rolling out. New tools to help us. Buy and sell things thir- salting through marketplace. The apps user to user shopping com users will be able to make payments directly on directly on marketplace and handle shipping directly through these social network. Also in Facebook news and from geek, new central com. Several websites have reported that Facebook has banned grew people have broken the company's community standards. This was talked about earlier briefly in the the the story more. Specifically, those recently banned have broken the quote, dangerous individuals and organizations portion of Facebook's and Instagram's community standards, the dangerous individuals and organization policy states quote in an effort to prevent in disrupt. Real word harm. We do not allow any organizations or individuals that proclaim a mission or engaged in violence from having a presence on Facebook. This includes or. Musicians Asians or individuals involved in the following terrorist activity organize. Hey, mass or serial murderer human trafficking organized violence or criminal activity, the policy also says we also says, quote, we also remove content they expresses support or praise for groups leaders or individuals involved in these activities Busby news got a statement from Facebook per for me Facebook Facebook spokesperson who said, quote, we've always banned individuals or organizations that promote or engaged in violence and hate, regardless of ideology, the process for evaluating potential violators is extensive and is what up as what has led us to our decision to remove these accounts today bussey news reporter that the ban will fact both Facebook and Instagram. Here's a list of those hot and band meal Yellen Pless, Alex Jones and his info war site. Laura, bloomer, Louis Farrakhan? Paul Joseph Watson and Paul Neilan. Some of the people were who were banned from Facebook and Instagram having previously banned from other platforms. Burger King is rolling out the impossible burger Haas possible. What's us me? Burn. King is rolling out the impossible wiper nationwide. Apperances expo trial run testing meatless burger and Saint Louis. The chain announcing statement today that plans to test and more markets before distributing distributing the burger nationally by the end of the sheer the impossible. Walker is made with startup impossible foods plant based patties which are designed to look and taste like meet the pan is also designed to quote bleed. It's like the real thing which and compete attributed to the use of heme, a soy based compound implants and meets the burgers have fifteen percent less fast team percent, less fat and ninety percent less cholesterol than regular wapner. And barracking taste has experiments claimed the customers and employees can't tell the difference. Buber and lift have stopped reporting have stopped accepting new drivers on respective platforms. In New York City political has reported. The move comes after city past new roles that are designed to kerm the explosive growth of riled of ride hail companies. Excuse me on its website. Uber attributes new policy to its quote, new taxi and limousine commission regulations. This is a reference to two legislation passed by the New York City council on December twenty eight team which requires riled hail companies to pay drivers at least seventeen dollars and twenty two cents an hour appar- expenses, the pay for medium, the pay formula uses a so-called utilisation rate which accounts for this which accounts for this chair time and drivers spends with passengers interfere Kohl's compare to time spent idle and waiting for fair the rules penalize companies for running too many cars without passengers on city streets the higher a company's utilization rate. The lesson has to pay drivers to meet the new the new wage for requirement. The rules were intended to increase paper drivers while also addressing what may. Many saw as over oversaturated market in Newark city, Uber stopped on boarding new drivers. And you're sitting on April. First followed soon after by lift in January lift a city to block the new roles arguing that they would create uneven Plainfield, and it will ultimately mean their own drivers would pay less three weeks later. Uber. Sue the city over the cap on new hail on new ride. Hail drivers. A a Uber spokesperson says quote as drivers exit the industry and demand from writers increase. We'll once again seek to add new drivers let said, quote because of TLC regulations we are currently not accepting new drivers and you're sending we do our wait list. And let drivers know when they can apply to drive if you live in Denver, Colorado. There is some good news coming your way with Uber. They have announced that will sell that will begin selling train and bus tickets through its app words customers in Denver. Following a staggered rollout. Residents. Denver will be able to use Uber's app to purchase tickets for the regional transportation district or RTD which operates the city's buses and trains purchasing tickets, purchasing take view or will cost the same mount as through existing options. Googlers apple let users purchase let. Uber. Apple let users purchase and redeem a range of tickets, including three hour day and monthly passes users activate tickets, which are stored in the quote transit ticket section of the app when boarding a bus or train once purchased. Tickets are available are able even when your phone is offline Guber is neutrons transit teacher is power by Musabe. They London based techniques London based tech company that builds mobile ticketing software for public transportation. I will say there was a plethora of podcast from one to the other now Bill, and Chelsea Clinton has a podcast is been revealed. They're starting to show called why am why am I telling you? This includes it'll include conversations with the Clintons foundation staff and guests, though share their quilt share their unique experiences and unique experiences and stories help explain to factors shaping our internet world, and why we should be optimistic future the podcast war explore some of the issues the nation is involved with including hurricane recovery efforts climate change, the opiate crisis and childhood literacy it also include conversations about quote global leadership excuse me. According to the foundation also include conversation about quote, global global leadership reflections on the Clinton Clinton administration and President Clinton's wind rain. Interesting. Well, nude intellectual curiosity former secretary of state and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton won't be official won't be part of the series. But she may make appearances. The the spokesperson excuse me. Craig menacing chief communication and orbiting officer at the Clinton nation said in a statement, quote launching a podcast is a natural extension of President Clinton's mastery of using storytelling to explain complex issues and his and his belief that once, you know, someone's story, you better understand them as a person and your differences, become less important, President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton. Have always been has have always sought new ways to create deeper understanding of how to make an impact which is particularly crucial and challenging the current media environment. There are not there is no episodes yet for the ad free, podcasts only two minute preview clip. Why am I telling you this which the Clinton the Clinton foundation is producing with at will medium will surely debut summer. So check it out this summer in the apple news block in a leadoff. It's block is from geek news central calm. The New York Times reported that apple has removed or restricted at least eleven of the seventeen most download a screen time in parental crunch old apps and also clamped down on a number of lesser known apps that had the same functions. The analysis was done by the times an app data firm called sensor tower. According to the New York Times apple started removing or restricting apps that allow people to limit their own or their children's screen time shortly after apple mates own screen time app. In addition in order to use apple screen time app to limits. Children's screen time the entire family must have iphones, obviously, it'll be very beneficial to apple the New York Times report a statement from apple quote, apple spokesperson, Tammy Levin. As quote, we treat all absent same, including those compete with our own services. Our incentive is to have. Vibrant app ecosystem that provides consumers access to as many quality apps as possible. She said apple removed or she said apple or remove apple removed or required. Changes to the ask because they gained too much information from users devices, she added that the timing of apples news was not related and its debut of similar tools. In now wrap up. The apple news block, apple share le'ts binational. Second quarter result would shell Horner's. The company made fifty eight billion dollars in revenue this quarter woods on the highest estimates expected by review spectrum fifty five to fifty nine fifty five to fifty nine billion dollars. But down five percent. Your ear iphone sales made up thirty one billion dollars total amount down from thirty seven point five billion dollars during the same quarter in two thousand eighteen apple stock jumped over four percent after earnings report release pushing the company close to a one trillion dollar valuation Ryu Apple's other products segments did well as quarter apple excuse me. I pad sales revenue on increase from four from four billion dollars in Q two twenty eight team to four point eight billion dollars in Q two twenty nineteen apples wearables home in excess is category. Also saw revenue gains up from. Three point nine billion dollars Q twenty team to five point one billion dollars this quarter MAC sales revenue also Mack. Mac sales revenue saw a slight decline you every year. They saw the Klein to the to quote process or constraints CEO, Tim cook also said that these constraints should not have any long-term effect, Maxine cells, but and but as intimidated apple services business, Apple's services business had hit an all time high of eleven point five billion dollars in revenue this quarter from nine point eight billion dollars during the same period last year and up from key one twenty nine toll revenue up ten point nine billion dollars after year after years of dealing of detailing phone sales grew after years of detailing iphone sales growth cook described as quarters iphone sales revenue decline as being significantly smaller last quarter. He also noted that the most challenging months in recent memory iphone sales was the number twenty eighteen and summer twenty eight team and co. Goals goal is to quote, pick up the pace to celebrate iphone sales in the future at the end of last year, apple explained that it will not report iphone unit sales per quarter decision. Frustrated some but makes sense for Apple's bottom line. Instead, the company has closed on its key one twenty nine hundred earnings call that it's global install base included includes nine hundred million iphones and earning port shows the company's install base comprise the one point four billion devices rather than focusing on how many new iphones as sold. Apple wants. Now, focus on how many phones out in the world to show. How fast services business can be apple is hoping slew of new services will appeal to many users and in Morris twenty-ninth the company announced apple news. Plus, a news magazines cushion program, apple arcade, a gaming subscription service, apple TV, plus ATV strings ATV streaming subscription program. The form of the three is already available. For ten dollars a month. But the lower two will debut in the fall, the Federal Communications Commission has announced that will expand broadband internet services in more than one hundred six one hundred six thousand rule homes and businesses across the border, three states nine states. Excuse me, nine states, Arkansas Arizona, Montana, North Dakota, the Brasco New Mexico, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming. We'll see the numbers locate. We'll see the number of locations with high speed internet available through the connect America program dumble as part of the FCC latest expansion effort. The most recent round of role broadband development comes as months after the FCC announced allocate additional sixty seven billion dollars per year to rural broadband initiatives much that funding is delivered through the connect America fund, which offers cash chewing which offers cash to encourage providers to ditch out there. Legacy systems in favor of high-speed offerings. According to the commission, he total of one hundred eighty six companies are participating in the program and exerted funds as part of the agreement those companies wafted employed broadband internet defined as twenty five megabits. Download speed and three megabit. Upload speeds to forty percent of those locations, but served by twenty twenty two they will then have expand offering ten percent each year until build out is complete by the end of twenty twenty eight speaking of the FCC late last year. Republican FCC Commissioner Brendan car did get got an earful from Alaskan residents who are concerned with how poor their access to the internet was and they weren't wrong. Alaska has on average some of the slowest internet connections and the country primarily due to its distance from the rest of the content of the United States, but remote Alaskans may see faster speed soom MTA fiber holding. Now that it will build the quote, first and only all terrestrial fibre optic network. Breeding from Lasca and sue the lower forty eight the line will begin in the we'll begin in North Pole Alaska and we'll travel through Canada connecting with Canadian carriers will finally connect with quote, any major hub in the US. He basked majority of the last current connections to the global internet either run through hand, either run through a handful of some ring cables satellites or wireless connections. MTA CEO, Michael Burke, said in a statement, quote, does they major step for Alaska? They own shore future capacity requirements for MTA members and can support the continuing grove or broadband across the state of across the state of Alaska, according to the press release only internet traffic that both originates and terminates in US will be carried over the network. This new fiber optic. This new fiber optic network will have the initial capacity. To deliver one hundred terabytes per second. Wow. In a press release MTA said still rerate will be able to increase in the future Burke said that the instruction has already begun and network is expected to be completed sometime next year. Brooke says continuing quote, Alaska's leaders have talked about terrestrial fibre optic pack, path out of the state more in twenty years. We are pleased to be the ones to make this to make our please to be the ones to be able to make this a reality. This would be a major win for the people live play in working Alaska supporting business job growth, and ultimately the state's economy in the tech tip. Block tech tips blocked this week over on how these up in the in the show notes overall personal on Computerworld dot com. There is a eight handy features for Google calendar on Android. There's. Then sensitive silencing your phone. There is. Quick responses for a group of vents duplicate an existing event more useful. Notification war it useful. Notification time I will link up in the show notes on the guy that you can check out mother's day is upcoming and over on the bird's eye comma will link up in the show notes from for mother's day gift ID's, gift ideas. Skews me. They range from different things from wallets to to watches. T cattle not really not really fond of some of the choices, but this is Burs guide. So we can check it out and Peru's at your leisure. And also finally bobbing up the block over also on the verge dot com. There is God's way shin day's coming for most folks in high school and college, and there is a link up in the show notes from a bird's dot com on the some get graduation gift ideas, the price ranges anywhere from less than twenty dollars to over three hundred dollars, and they have books and microphone road microphone goule home hub backpacks kindles had to switch. So there's a lot here and I'll link up in the show notes that he can check out on all that the link insurance for that. You can check out in the video streaming news block this week the production company from president and MRs Obama and MRs Obama higher ground has failed. Its first lineup of Netflix shows roughly at the shows roughly a year after forging and deal with shooting giant the initial seven show catalog will quote take. Take will takes gives me quote several years to arrive the initial central priests American factory touches on tensions when a Chinese billionaire opens a factory in what's left band in GMC GM plant bloom highlights the challenges for women and people of color in New York's post world to fashion industry, a movie at that movie at that Haitian of David blights Bri biography of social reformer. Frederick goggles is also works the nonfiction series from the big show author. Michael Lewis v wreck covers the work of quote, everyday everyday heroes in government and the military while crimp cramp shows how I summer camp for disabled teens helped the disability rights movement. You tune has just made another push with its sports broadcasting and Genda Nelson deal with major league baseball that will get exclusive rights to thirteen games during the twenty nine thousand nine season. The games will be livestream for yours for viewers in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico for free on MLB's official YouTube channel and on a forthcoming dedicate channel on YouTube TV. Charter charter cable internet customers who don't subscribe to Charteris TV service are using an average of more than four hundred gigabytes of data month the company said on Tuesday. Charter CEO Thom Rutledge, call Thom Rutledge told investors in the earning call yesterday, the quote, the demand for both speed and throughput on network on our network continuous increase monthly data usage by a residential in a customer's is rising rapidly and monthly medium data usage is over two hundred gigabytes per customer when you look at average when you look at average monthly usage for customers. Adult subscribe to our traditional video product usage climbs over four hundred gigabytes per month, which was comparison an average mobile usage of well under ten gigabytes a month the average data usage for broadband customers. Maybe nickel higher than the average for all customers. Recent open. Vol open vault research on the US cable industry found that internet customers are using an average of two hundred sixty eight point seven gigabytes per month and the medium of one hundred forty five point two gigabytes open vault, which sells equipment that. Helps cable companies track data usage also found also found that poor point one percent of household us at least one point one terabyte a month up from two point one percent from the previous year Rutledge also said on Monday that more than eighty percent of charter customers describes as speeds at least one hundred megabits and thirty percents prescribed plans providing lease chew hundred megabits charter the second charter the second biggest cable company. Comcast offers gave us throughout the throughout its forty one St. territory, Hulu has topped twenty eight million total subscribers the United States continuous breakneck pace of growth and competes for a large share of the crowded streaming market. The streaming service grew its base by forty percent or around eight million members over the last year during that time who has sought to talk more subscribers by aggressively cutting their price of it's bad a bat. It's based at. Support plan to six dollars per month and striking deal to bundle its video source for free with Spotify premium music subscription. Not including the one point three million excuse me, not including the one point three million people or a sign up for whom motions like free trials. The service has twenty eight twenty six point eight million pay members up from twenty three million at the end of twenty eight team Hulu CEO Randy freer sent a statement of head of the company's Wednesday morning upfront pinched advertisers, quote in today's director. In today's direct you to consumer world viewers are demanding better when it comes to TV from the user experience to the content choices to the advertising thinning things. Shop this week finish up this block of the video stream block also on the birds calm everything that is coming to excuse me. Everything is coming to Hulu Amazon prime video HBO now in may there's game of thrones. So also coming to Hulu, there's less few here. I'm not going to go all over. Overall them anger management, the landing major league wargames we're in a skull down a little bit coming to HBO now. My dad are no veep. The may nineteenth game for game of thrones season finale scope down so link up in the show notes. Again, there's a lot here listed everything all the movie tie, all the titles, and TV shows, etc. That he can check out again, including game of thrones. Which I'm asking the ratings. We're going to be through the roof and finally trending this week on GNC W. I our first trending last week on Google trends and number one with one with excuse me, ten million plus searches the super villain Thanos on Twitter, not really training this week. But speaking of the game of thrones the episode battle of winter fell was the most tweeted episode TV history with seven point eight million tweets and finally on YouTube trending at number nine with one point. Four million views the title of this video is letting the person in front of me decide what I want to eat. The video is twenty four minutes and twenty seconds long spray. Strange to watch that the guy is in a dry through. And he's basically just how title says it's wanting letting the person part of the him an- and dry through decide what he wants to eat. So which begs the question. Begs the question, why shoot a video like this? But I could be wrong. You be a judge that you can check it out for yourself. And that is the tech news of the week. This four Friday may third at twenty nineteen. Thank you so much for tuning in for this week episode love to hear from you. Got a comment thoughts. One and say hi love to hear from the GNC w I w I our community and GNC weekly dot com forward slash connect. I'll back for short next week for another episode of gene of the GNC week in review week in review podcast till them. I will talk to you all sin.

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Apple award season, 16-inch MacBook Pro experience, no Lightning port iPhone future

"I'm looking on our show notes this week and it's like this is kind of old news to me so I've been off the off the grid a little bit. You had an expedition I did did. Yeah it's been I feel like it's been like two weeks. 'cause L- last week we recorded a little bit early and it was the holiday and nothing. Nothing really happened in the last week. And then this week I was on a little trip and see a rocket launch and which we'll talk a little bit about that later on but let Let's start off with the news. This is this is really news to me. I'll react in real time. I suppose but the first thing I see here is that apple is dumb on explicit explicit. Privacy again what does that yes I this week. There was a bit of a scandal about the if you turned off every Eh Togo in location services including when you drill down into the system services you tunnel them off then people noticed or this website crap up security noticed that the location indicate it would still flash up from time to time which was strange because it looked like you ten everything off but it was do do you know Ping for location. Yeah location is a very sensitive subject and there are a few rumors going around about or a few ideas day's going around about what this could be. Maybe it's something to do with the SIM card or maybe it's something to do with Like the one shape and eleven because people will get it happened on the the iphone eleven banal earlier models and the initial response to crept security applied. An engineer applied and Basi said this is expected behavior. Some services require location and not listed in the privacy pain you can turn off. Locations services like as is a gigantic big title right and that should be every yeah but there are apparently location features of the system that do not fall under doc Togo okay fo stop regardless of whether you tenting from by one big thing at the top but the first krebs accused by was basically like shop shop to one side by approach secure. And they're like this doesn't matter this is you know. Expect behavior and then everyone had a bit of a who are about it because you nice about location. People are very worried about what's happening. Hey should realistically we expected to be some kind of system thing and maybe one theories about SOS So it was like the magical number because if you go into the privacy at text screen way more about privacy and security for like services it would mention the ULA case you re will be retained regardless if you are doing a ESCO to find out emergency services information but the way. That was what I just said. It would get your location. When the coolest made right? Nothing was happening here so it just got out of the blue so it was like a red mark for uh-huh couple of days and then on Thursday apo in a brilliant wise provided a statement attack crunch issue in crept secure entirely explaining the on the iphone eleven the ultra wideband chip has to be enabled in certain regions based on the laws of the local area so in some countries in a few countries the spectrum that the you want us it is is not permitted to be used so they have to turn it off. And so. That's what the iphone eleven is doing. The basic checks your location locally to check it is one of the support areas and then turns the ship on her off and they have promised that they will fix the consent in a future update by adding Togo to disable ultra wideband completely in that location section. So if you don't want if you don't want you you know even the phone. Just check him what you're okay. She needs to turn to do like a feature toggle you be at a second layer now realistically. What is the privacy impact of the device just checking checking wall features of essentially zero? But it's the IT's the mind space fear the are just turned with this stuff. And I've read this paragraph explanation of what my location services privacy options all right and it still defined to a degree. It's just another example of apple being a bit sloppy and realistically. There wasn't a privacy breach hair or or anything substantial but he's like fear mongering caused by something. I mean that was fully within apple's control when they lapsed there is again despite being despite constantly reiterating them as the previous company even things he's like this needs to be they have people double checking of because it can cause panic when even if nothing substantial beneath it is. Yeah understandable concern arises when this stuff is popping up. And you don't know what's happening you don't want to give people who have serious concerns more reason to to be worried into paranoia. Unlike doing these repeat ads and these White Papers Privacy Z.. Privacy Privacy's curious triggerfish curry. And then you have like basic blunders of this little thing flashing up when it shouldn't be anything that can check or your location for any reason should be carefully monitored by apple's internal prices and either be controlled by the the row tug Ozo- have detailed explanation in the settings to white must be required like the emergency. Especially if it said your location Russa be used for checking if you know turbine can be Ebony Sarah then this wouldn't have been an issue in place but that kind of documentation just wasn't there and that should be drilled into apple's wrote out of anything right document ah out of Tokyo when necessary and a move on in these stupid little flare ups just happen this just them just being a bit silly and the way to detect it was that you could see he did a sort of a complex compass hero in the status bar that it's funny because you know there's there's no hardware indicator says locations being used. You don't have like a big light that comes order something So for this to be an accident in that regard but then still triggers the icon for your locations being used that does give you faith that icon is is pretty oddest. At least yeah must be doing something right right right well okay. Then there's there's there's there's there's location the the big thing that I did follow it as it was as it was unfolding was some big news from Chico. On this falls falls I found. Is that right. Kind of Yes this was in two thousand twenty. I'm kind of spreading into twenty twenty one as well. Okay okay so so. The next next couple of cycles of iphone which is which is characteristic of quo. When there's big changes coming than than there's a big report to not include those And this report kind of covers a shift in like the IPHONE strategy which is backed up by a a F- J. P. Morgan analyst. This week he kind of He. He said he owned like Monday. Tuesday that was basically. I'll supply checks indicate the from twenty twenty one. An apple will change the way that the united comes out in the year so since the iphone Four S in October twenty eleven. They I the new iphone. The New Flagship Fund Monitor's voice come out in the full and typically September right and what is suggested was that from twenty twenty one after will switch switch to a motorway. They have some flagship fans coming out in the first half of the year. And then they'll flagships in the full parrot. So they'd be kind of smoothing smoothing over the over everything happens at one time in September and shifting more Turandot strategy that is closer to like Samsung where they have to kind of flexible lines of a Of smartphone where they have the galaxy s series in the galaxy note series and the not always comes out in like the full time and in the S. S. UPDATE COMES THE GALAXY S. Line comes out in like February march timeframe and say what J. P. Morgan's Jesse James a slave transition into something similar to that. They have a major offense splash other than the year and then a major splash later in the night was just a an answer. JP Morgan so we called it but it was still very much up in the air and now he's basically backing up with a lot more elommal detail so for twenty twenty. We've we've already had. The offense is is changing so there's going to be the five point four inch firing the six point one inch phone and the six point seven inch phone and there will be I will let Motos does what quite says in this week. You're poor is that also be a second six point one inch Modo which will also be. Oh that before four other motives next year and the way it splits up is the five point four inch and the six point one inch will exist just with Jew cameras on the back so like the I eleven today right and then there'll be a six point one inch and six point seven inch model that have the triple camera system him and they have the new Three d sensing tons of flight thing which is going to detect basically face doesn't affront. You'll be do that on the camera for object okay detection or any rally circumstances things like that so you dissension have. I guess what would be the new pro-life would be the six point one in Charlotte in the six point seven gybed head because they'll have to triple cameras in time flight and then you have like two variants of the non-private line which is five point four inches and six point one inches and before afford this week we didn't know about the sick. The existence of the extra six point one inch model. We were kind of seeing the five point four inch moto as the new iphone. Eleven pro like along the fan tennis line. Not the Max Line Right. So the screen size might be shrinking from five point. Eight to five point four but now it seems it's like the two top SPEC motors will be six point one six point seven so so in this case it's confusing because there's there's more phones than ever in the situation and in this lineup that we're looking at you you get rid of. LCD factor so the screens are all the same screen. Sizes are different and so you differentiate between between screen size and then the number of cameras and unlike right now where you've got a phone in the middle of that costs the least and has the fewest cameras phone. The bottom in terms inside the top has the most cameras and cost the most. It is like pry. It's it looks like it would be priced by screen size and in the middle. There's some overlap. There's the same screen size but when got more camera than the other one has yes so obviously this current situation the the the twenty nineteen integration the five inches in Lebanon. Six point one but the eleven hundred dollars cheaper whereas next year the Promo does busa have the biggest screens or the loose. Abi a nonprofit Modo that has the same size screen so it's kind of realizing it in that way but it is complicated because now you're getting the differentiation between the ton of flight center as well as the just the role photo cameras and well. It's it's it's definitely not like a direct parallel to this year or last year. Yeah it's definitely for a new direction and the kind of expansion of the line nine feeds into the kind of twenty twenty one stuff where they start you know breaking up more. Obviously all of these are lead finds who have five Jay in some capacity capacity Says that they might disable certain bandwidths of the five G. Modems in the fence in certain countries. which don't how much five-storey surveys or they're five is very very shallow in terms of distribution because apparently cost less money if they turn off the radio radio but still ship the modem in the chip? Okay so that's that's quite says anyways there must be some licensing deal with comb. Where if you buy like the Modem that supports let's fight? GP You don't use the five G.. Element of as cheaper and pushing me. Those would go into the you know the the motorist which don't have the cameras and once I may be in the. US Is Everything's turned on. But if you go to parts of Europe which having a slow five zero or like India or something Jeez give this time next year. They're going to turn it off anyway. So over the motives will have five chips inside them but they might not be active in every country and every market. Yeah yeah but it seems like like he says the sub six G and millimeter wave supporting iphone. We're launching five markets including the US Japan career and the UK and that will be the most compatible five next year will be in about five countries based on the current Estimates Okay and then alongside that you have the iphone se situation which are the which is still going to be LCD phones right so as as report before there's going to be the new I.. Fantasy to in early twenty twenty which will look like an iphone eight about having thirteen chip inside it and this is where it gets bit crazy if you look if you look into the twenty twenty one timeframe quo says that there it will be an iphone. Se Two plus okay which will be five point five inches or between five point five inches and six point one inches so kind of similar to the phone factor of like eight plus in addition to the four point seven Joseph d one and but the se two plus will be properly screened design allured. Yes okay so not not not the twenty twenty one but the twenty twenty one one. He says this model adopt a full screen design at the not charity smaller. Because it won't have face ide- and the touch. Id Sensor will be integrated into the power button on the side so it's kind out of crazy that you're going to have the SEC. To in twenty twenty one so even next year the year off data. They're gonNA reengineer touch. Need to put it on the side power button to enable a full screens full screen. You Know Thin Basil. Se Two plus but at the same time this concurrent room is the the pro iphones. The higher end models will adopt touch. ID in the form of under under the screen fingerprint scanners. Yeah Okay well that's that's crowded It's it's not unlike You look at the IPAD line. That's very crowded and the different methods or for for touch your face. A you cross the line models their screen sizes product names becks. Same for the MAC. Even though the MAC line makes the most sense it has an years now. I guess it's not crazy for the phone line to get this wild. It just like my first reaction to hearing all this detail after being away for the last few days is is that it sounds like everything. That's been rumored for the past few years that didn't happen is happening in some form factors in the product that you expect it would have gone on a touch. Id in in the side button at the pound button was a thing. When we're remembering the IPHONE ten? Yeah like then there was some is going to be under the screen. There are the people saying. Oh it's just going to be in the side button because an android finally come out with touch it in the pound button on time and we'll see this is the twenty seventeen timeframe but apparently it's going to return for Rio in twenty twenty one so the the the ESA for next year will be the boring which looks but then the se acquaint quite as he knows what but the OCD phone. Essentially in twenty twenty one will be an screen design and this feeds into the split up into summer. Because what's your sign is you have the the the fan. Lunch is in the first half of the year and then you have the final which is in the second half of the year and it would seem like the LCD sat plus might be considered more of a flagship than like what the what the what we generally reflect the SEC is like it's fine motor and oversee. They'd come out in the spring before right so that's not unusual but not really regarded as like top phones whereas the twenty twenty one five the baby more like how the eleven seats in the land today. Right where it's the top SPEC but it's decent enough the people by it and I think that's what they're positioning for for that twenty one twenty twenty one five point five inches one. LCD fine because it will be full screen. Say Look mostly like the rest of the lineup but rather rather than having face ideal have by metrics in in the Sidebar on my head is spinning situation Yes yes and in you know it helps to have graphics like there isn't a report had been and not having product names for these things and having to reference them by like when they may come out in scranton ask divest from what we know even like invent names that would correspond to any paralyze. Yeah because we conclude the defense twelve the time being but the twenty twenty one situation might see like a completely different like all of the phone being like you might need like a sub brand brand to separate the the motors lamotte. It's kind of like how something has galaxy note right. Yea sure okay. Yeah yes BESA. 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Go Free I mean you can go port free on you know you can live for free now As long as you don't certain things like connect things you can you can. Only you can only charge. Wirelessly you can have wireless carplay or carplay. May Be Niche so you can have Bluetooth audio in the car where you're only playing over the built in Bluetooth in your car Charging while the car is a thing but it's not built in as much as just like having a port in your car is and it's not. The complex is a thing is as much as well. He's a very very few cars on an right. Yeah yeah so I I mean an An airdrop is a good thing. So people use that heavily from this past week go into a NASA social sort of got you got to go see a rocket launch at the Kennedy Space Center. And it's a bunch of people like me with an audience and something that isn't space and enroll taking pictures and videos and like we're all in the pictures with each other so airdrop was like it was one of those times where we talk about having you know we the aim and you see the person in front of you as a top of like. Oh this could be kind of useful there but because there are so many people were air-dropping stop for like but also I mean something as simple as like the smart battery case that's a wired accessory you know what I mean attached to the phone but the plug in from the bottle so sure you could do it and and you can always use the top end. Phone is like the experimental. You know this is the future. There's no home button button on this phone now and for this other thing But if it's like the headphone Jack Words. Like not really sure what it affords you. Maybe it'll make sense later on then you'll just get used to it all right but You know if I were guessing and I think we've had this talk. You know a lot of people in the community. What is this talk before like will will the iphone go to UC? And I'm sure that we've mentioned the show before like it's not a guarantee that if it could be that if it's not like it's nothing so this isn't like unheard of unimaginable imagined it but it's also like if I'm just picking my preference of what's the most utilities utilitarian things you'd like what what gets me the most utility I say although you SPEC- on it and not lightning in-and-out it's more pro. So this is this is not that. Yeah I mean you. Like what do people used. He used the the the lightning port for today really for power because lock people. Don't use what is charging pads. Don't really that Nelson I like just being a saucer through the poor and I just feel more comfortable with I like I dunno cheap. Ads Annoy me. I don't know why then you have headphones right. So people don't use episodes they use the head like we've discussed before about a huge proportion of people who just use the headlines coming box so then I'm in the headphones come in the box. The lightning it buds. And you probably have car play as like the third base thing people plug into the iphone. Now she's like huge but it's growing. Yeah but he's going to be like anything big. Oh yeah right like like this past few days using my iphone and take pictures and my Sony are excellent hundred to take pictures points camera and It's STI card and they make a lightning lightning to Asti card. Adapter pop the card out. But I didn't do that. I did the thing. Where are you connect over direct Wi fi and transfer the pictures that way to the phone and you know I wasn't even thinking like this context of what if there's no port that was just is what I did for the sake of not having pull the car out and using an adapter doesn't that smooth with a MAC was and I'd be happy unless lesser tasty ahead with not card slot on the Max but in in that area I was wasn't even thinking about what if there's no poor in the future I was doing the thing that you would do in that situation nation? Yeah so he's definitely like challenging and then the box studio is by far the biggest to use case then you have call play. Further further further there were white right. If you're mentioning like the scale of power oversee does have a solution in terms of challenging but the inefficiency itchy charging is kind of knowing it makes sense they both of these cases like the small barriques like you said so. That's the kind of an outlier at the moment for the for the audio situation. Well you could just as per episodes like apparitions bundle upholds in the highest end motoring twenty twenty one and that sort of thing right because the friends that you come in the box all wireless so you don't have to worry about the post situation like if episodes were abundant in the box today nobody would be plugging in line in fines to the to the anyway so that would just revise prize. You know apple with like stomaching some of the money that they like setting by saying apples in there right and then you have the call play situation. So maybe they could be Odongo. which is like a wireless Dongola that you could plug you plug in the lightning the plug in like this second accessory which kind of talk over a radio frequency to the only like what I can imagine is like You know I've got a wireless printer enter and it's got. It does have input wirelessly Reno. The scanner function is that you can put a piece of paper on it and scan that while he's in that your computer you know what I mean where it's like I'm thinking of what was i. Think coudn't Mac. Os might disc right when they took away the optical drive us back then I let you they let you basically proxy another computer on your network CD drive so if you had like a little adapt to the student sign that was essentially a lightning port plug and you currently how you plug your phone into the car you plug this like secondary dongling instead in powder Dungu battery powered or something and then essentially the data flow from the phone going through cable with just fly. Water says to the adoptive guys back in the white collar situation. How how? How simple is that? Compared to plug you know. Wipe Eh. There's probably ways around it right. You can probably make Dungu if you have two. That's almost like in my car where I where I've tried for years to have my watch work with Bluetooth in the car and they have something that like in the product name as Dongola and it shows up as Donegal and what it's supposed to do is take audio from the watch plate to that adapter and then do input you know. Oxygen and play to the Stereo doesn't work because it's not good but that that's it's the same idea. Yeah because I think it'd be optimistic to say that by twenty twenty one wireless Copley is pervasive. Because you know twenty twenty now and we're not saying much traction in that the area really So but at least they're probably like work arounds. You can imagine if you try hard enough to hack it together if you if it needs to be. And what is the three point five millimeter lightning in today's dumb hack. So that's averse to doing that. And like you say if it is isolated to the highest model only only than hedging like they giving you the future phone if you WANNA and then the rest of the lineup can just carry on pause for a while so so I guess it's fine is just. This is funny that we're GONNA skip. USCCA entirely for the like. Because even if you think if they aren't gonNA take off the high end model in twenty twenty one then lightning will be around in twenty twenty three twenty twenty four. It would take a while for it to go down the line die off. It's I can't remember. The lighting system is going to be around for many years. Yeah of the Twelve inch macbook with one USB port where that was the thing and that was like you know the future direction but then that went away. Now there's no macbook would that one poor the one port equivalent on a map because like no port on the on Ios. Because Iowa's iphones always went board and so if you can go to the bare minimum zero I suppose and if you were describing a product it's like it's the iphone air and there's the pro which has poor there's the air got no port but because of the no poor we can do different. There are some of the features. That just aren't there Then then we can make this super light and portable thing like you know as we make their phones thicker than they even are today to have more better life and power and everything But this isn't that this is this is doing it on the pro per series which which fits in when you look at what they did with the iphone ten no Khomba and big big radical redesign there And but it but it. I could see this changing over the years like you know they always go back. If it's terrible yeah having for but for other mothers in two thousand twenty one that was have impose people wanting new iphones the with pores can still get it. They have pulled off Newport on the watch and the and the Apple. TV Four K.. Right yeah well that that causes problems for them. Yes the phone behind pie of getting the phone replaced. Oh the current Pol- devices are low volume. And what the iphone would basically like if the if you had an update the brakes your phone. which has happened before and your anyway to get it fixed to beat the support? The strain on apple support chain nine were higher than when the pope break to win the apple. TV's break from time to time. Yeah maybe maybe there's like maybe they can develop something that will like if like how the cause of the watchers Portland but it does have the hidden right like. Maybe there's it's something they could do that where you could still do some kind of servicing or just flashing the firmware that may be hidden or like when you pop out the same called trae you can plug like something in there if you really have to get it done remotely like I'm sure they think in these kind of a waste to not have the only option B. retired to apple and wait three eight five days while we flash IT FACTORY BACKUP ON. I think the surprise report the lightning situation because it's twenty twenty one it was less Because we will all see we've imagined the pointless situation before and because it's still far away it's harder to like get you grip. I think the most surprising thing to me is the idea of the twenty twenty one. SC TO UTAH screen but doesn't use face then uses another variant of touch ID. That's the one that's like most down the field from my point. Yeah we've never imagined a new phone with no camera. They did that with an ipod once and then they did away with it but Lightning we have imagined that going away there being no charging port new data. For that. It's all wireless that that does fit with what possible It would not be possible to do a phone with no speaker. No microphone no camera. Those are things that are on the table but but the port is make sense even and risky and I will point out the photo that quite uses Stu picks the twenty. twenty-nine finds is having essentially the same notches in front design. As what we used to today right right so he says that the the body were like an iphone four by denning. He's going much further in terms of like the not getting small or anything like that at this point in time. At least I yeah I guess the the thing to wrap up on this is that no matter. What's coming no matter what? Like a cluster of just information. That's all as it won't be another revision of the iphone ten with just like differences in in screen sizes as we've had for the last couple of years it'll be a lot of different things are happening. Yeah it will have a physically different chassis. Not just changing materials but it will be bucks here and submit to the FM fall. Yeah alone feel like the six to the success. The seventy eight Italy. It's going to be like a lot of different things happening here. Okay Yeah and oversea- Outpost GonNa push hard on the five G. Train for so We've read some surprising online reviews with. You're trying to get a sweet deal on something you've been saving for or trying to find. The best tap out in town is generally a good idea to read the reviews. I so why should finding the right software business be any different re thousands of Rio suffer reviews reviews and find the software your business at CAPTERRA DOT com slash. Happy Hour. No familiar with CAPTERRA. 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They had a space in New York with invited a light of meteorite veto to developers. They had like demos of or the absolute have been pegged And that was a battery overheated and they had the usual press releases and features as in the APP store. The picks for this year was kind of funny is the with so much effort they gave to like bring with the press out and to me like a thing of it. At least immediate media briefings feel like the ENTHUSI- Miranda choices of APPs. They picked as kind of like West. The normal I I look to this list of APPS and it kind of felt very like very predictable. I mean there wasn't anything that was like super there was like. Oh you know the head of that before apart from maybe the apple. TV APP of the year. which is just like screensavers on actual screensavers? I'd like to watch the good one. Oh yeah the watch. The air is fantastic. Ah like how. How is this possible? The first year that they they make such a big deal of an APP store on the watch. The new framework for developing what trump's with hugh I met a huge bdo about independent six and then in the best of the year. They can't name a single APP. A single watch up a tool like they pick an apple. TV APP they competent. What trump yeah? Just take something from from the key note of this. You know this is Wha a six and these are what some new APPS can be able to stream radio over the Internet like the pick one of those watch you can do an online poll Casa di anything even even Ortho sleep right which is like they also released just they like top list of acts by download Scher and one of the top twenty. I think it was in top ten even of maybe five was asleep and like you know the end of the day. That's a watch. Thank you could at least give a shoutout even if you're GONNA show up next year. Yeah Yeah like I deny it just like a bit with invited press over and then they basically just did the same thing I always do. Plus the picks themselves not being very interesting. Like if you compare the APP store best of two thousand nineteen awards to the Apple Design Awards so they gave out. WGN The choices they pick for the WWF stuff away more diverse creative unusual not from like big name developers or people that expect like order the Games they pick for the best at twenty nine thousand nine. I just like Paul Kagame's everyone knew it when anyway like other than I feel like if they're gonNA make a big deal out of it and they need to back up the award with more but as well and I have the same kind of complain about the Apple Music Awards. which are they've done? Stuff like best allies and top songs and stuff before or whether it's Brian I tunes or Apple Music But now they're kind of like formalizing into apple music awards of the year they have already coup like physical who trophy award that they give out to the winners which is like it looks ready Cohen. He's made of like the same. Silicon is eight twelve silicon in a big disk and it's like twelve inches. She's wide and I think it's like a throwback to twelve vinyl discs and then it's like surrounding the physical already coup reminds me of like a pop filter at a microphone. Yeah I have one of those awards I think it looks really cool. But the actual was they give out in the big dance these the APP musical contain but they have a total of five awards. Two of the woods adjust the mainstream song and administering album then the other ones global spheres somewhere at the And break throughout the year and just to highlight like the lack of diversity. Here three of the five awards are won by the same person right. Nothing more gets some of music but but if like apple music is a service makes such a big drama and point about every so in the world sixty million songs. You've we've got all of these ECLECTIC playlists all of these different moods or these different genres and then they do that first. Big Like awards ceremony essentially and they have five awards they. I didn't have any respect for any ability of music. It's just. It felt like a very meager attempt for the first the first time round. It's one step up from the press. Release that's right. Yeah and and they did do a celebratory concert essentially they had eyelash do perfomance at the siege upstairs. I wish they live streamed on apple music and you can watch the video and replay and I think there was there was interview with Oliver Schuster. WHO's head of Apple Music now And he hit something to the effect of. We WanNa make like Apple. Music have more event arguments and make music like an event where people come together and I think that is is a new focus on live streaming say this is like the first one we were there in the big data of it. I think you're going to see a lot more of that going into next year with live streaming concert says livestream private things as well as releasing the videos authors as they wanna make people like come together at one time in my interest and stuff which is cool but the apple music awards two thousand nineteen. I just kind of feel a lot more. If it was put into making the physical woods and like picking the winner you can have more than five awards and I hope when they they do this again in two thousand twenty. There's at least barrick knowledge of like more genres or even like the they could take advantage of the apple music platform by having the awards picked by different. Beats one for instance you could have Zane Lowe Design Award or all the best beats one show of the year or the best lyrics. Is the nicotine with real time. The single I sing along lyrics and stuff. Like there's a lot more skype. And what they did was give to awards to top two upstream even then picked three. Everyone kind of knows which is fine like and that's certainly part of it. But you'd hope that an actual and like like if this is the actual were ceremony off because you know there's not enough and I hope that when it returns and they do Apple Music Awards twenty twenty you know they can acknowledge a lot more of the US about the just the mainstream stuff. Yeah as as they dive into You know all this kind of goes back to like the beats acquisition position. Where they they have this this you know culture company in the La area where it can be all about entertainment and it doesn't have to be like the iphone company and Patino and this can all be under that umbrella but then with TV plus you know? Then they've got I'm need these events with movie stars and They could they could have that. Seems what what do you call it the front when when they had the the TV show reveals upfront upfront. So that that's now an event format that they Hopefully need to repeat every year. They could do that same. Approach for for for music and have events with music and it's an apple event and it but it's not like a Event it's just like the up fronts would be you so you know if in the future those are separate from you know news about the Apple Cart Apple Arcade and things like that so it makes sense but but this was just like very small-scale it was just like this is no. We're sort of like semi formalizing this and it's just a step up from a press release but not much more. Yeah Yeah there's a lot of scope and Taymor but they didn't po thrown this time. Yeah good preview. Though of things to come baby hiring these days takes time time. The just often don't have sometimes fitting out role is urgent. Thing around with a quality candidate is truly meant fuel. Business that is. But how'd you do. It isn't as simple as putting an ad in the newspaper or posting to Joe Booed. This is linked in jobs comes in is the best place to post. 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That wasn't sinks to the watch and so that's that's battery intensive and because of that preparation I decided to have not just the always on display off the whole display off with theater mode right so you get the tap it to see what's there right. Yeah and and I got plenty of battery. I think I forget the number. And they're in the post but this time I wanted to do have always is on turned on for the duration of the race. which for me is like you know about two and a half hours right now and of running and so because I wanted have always on turned on I made sure to have my music sinks? They're the two variables and testing. This time is that I had my music sync locally but I you know so that that's that's good for battery but then I had the always on display you know lit the whole time and You know cut to the chase ace. I ended up Race about two hours and hours and twenty minutes or so but I think with eight percent battery left which never checked out the the race but I was happy that it ended with enough battery. You know that was good And there was a surprise element and all this which is that you know. This home could secure video radio now or you can have alerts based on people detection or animal detection vehicle detection and the camera in my front yard only has people detection then but we've decorated for Christmas and The inflatable Santa has been alerting me. Whenever no one's home then person's been detected and I I knew it I tweeted about this because it's like hot kinda funny but then I guess it's like people have been home since then I just hadn't been where no one's home and I've been getting spam these alerts and so on race day? No one was home. We are all the raise and I got like thirty notifications actions about inflatable Santa triggering. The camera alert. So yeah so I I think after twenty alerts and I was just dismissing missing them because at that this is the last one and finally I did. Dnd just had no more alert but the screen was salon and everything so that was like in a position in where you could have done motions if you wanted to. Yeah yeah that was a feature. Yeah yes yeah so. By the way this week we also saw the ATMA indoor camera Beta support for Home Kit ski- video. Yeah and you know we were talking about like the Logitech Hammer you have to go on a complete separate firm lambie disconnected from out of the APP right. Yeah for the nat-nato situation you don't it's just like I don't feature does that. Add Motors that use their own esty card for storage. I think the outdoor wind dies. I'm sure the indoor does to yes I think so yeah. It was attends out that it wasn't supposed to go live this week. Probably by Evans must be quiet about happened. Okay so this time for the for the race. That was the big experiment was to see. You know what kind of battery life can I get with always on turned on And there's one more interview weeks and this next one this. This'll be my sixth half marathon so far originally started. I'll try the marathon but I'm not crazy enough yet but Iran with a friend of Mine Jacob who was on my watch time podcast on episode two. And so if you're interested you can hear him talk about his marathon experience there but also my wife Kelsey ran for the first time and the half marathon and so we had three Apple Watch series five. You've models to sort of like pole and say what were your modes that you had and My wife had I think she had cellular on in her music was seeing and she she had more battery than me and she's got more than me with a smaller size but that just at the difference there is probably how much checking my watch. I checked find my friends. My friends once or twice and then those like thirty notifications we're kind of relentless I'm screwed you. Yeah Unbelievable Santa and it's actually an inflatable minion from disturbed me. It's next to Santa Man. I need to just move that for. Go Away from the camera and all that problem but Sir Jacob he had his music scene and it's a serious five forty four millimeter but he had cellular off and he had like fifty percent battery battery remaining and we all finished within like six minutes each other so it was like the same race duration so for this next one is a week from the if the Sunday. I guess it'll be the first one that I do without cellular since the series three existed. And I won't bring my phone. I'll just have you know you can turn your on if you need it. But I'm just GonNa try that and see like music is on the Watt am streaming it to the air pods or in this case actually decided I went for a run on Thanksgiving Day is used their pro and I thought about it. And I'm I'M GONNA use the pilots pro again for the for this next race and I I'm settled in their that. Everybody's per like my daily your phones but power beats per like race earphones because the by the difference or why why did you do so. You don't have noise cancellation or transparency on the power beats pro- You really can't simulate transparency you just have to take him out of your ears to hear around you and the situation so that's okay I do that But the the no noise reduction stuff that noise cancellation. It's okay. Because I think the sounds is better on. The party's pro and you can adjust them better. I can adjust them better my ears to get a better sound than I cannot have airports. Pro they're just they're just not convenient for everyday I use but for battery life like they had like seventy five percent or eighty percent battery after the race was over so that was a non issue but then I yeah I keep getting into the Patriots have nine one charge. That batch looks like double will yet. We'll give you nine instead of four and a half but but just like it's it's the fit in my ears and my left and right your they have a different fit. where I'm using the largest tip on both of the air pods pro- The medium one that have fallen works. The smallest one doesn't that's the only one that will fail the fit tip. The tip fit test when it was called. Because it's like they're not small. Bye Bye that your size. I think I think if I can like have it custom-made you'd be large on the right side and like extra large on the left side because because it still feels kind of loose am adjusting them a lot especially to get you know the right the right like sound and and fit for to make that happen and with Harvey's pros like you kind of roll. Hold them back in your ears and you get the the kind of fit that you're looking for but then also have in the buttons for you know changing the volume up and down is really useful so there's array stay your phones it's just been settled But yeah this next one in a week I'm going to try and run without sailor on and You know the only thing all Kinda give up. There is no encouraging messages nobility stream music. It's got to be on the watch And then no location sharing but now that I'm I'm getting more my friends and family to run the racist to we're all kind of in the race anyway and we ended up at the finish line. You know when we do so But I really WanNa see you know how would that scenario. Where does the battery life ended up out? So get senator annoying you sell you a disabled. Yeah no San. The minion can't bother for me So that's the race stuff and that was the space centre half marathon. So it's like it's it's on a NASA space center and it's mostly just running through the like paved roads through the woods. And there's some like NASA stuff that you can see from the from the route but it's it's not a very active place for that. It's a lot of weather stuff now. But then a few days later I got to go to the Kennedy Space Center through an official NASA social event where I applied for it and they were looking for people with like large audiences that weren't space related specifically and so I applied to have an apple audience. You know behind hundred and got to get to go to that and it was a space x Falcon nine rocket launch in so spacex leases the launch pad from NASA and the NASA wants to promote like everything that they're doing and then show you the launch to and now is really cool like I learned a lot about. Ah What's happening there that I did not know and and I'll I'll do a story next week on these the pictures that I took with the iphone and and ensure that I did buy the smart battery case for the IPHONE. Eleven pro Max on the way. Because I stopped at the An apple store in Jacksonville Florida just like see it and take a walk from driving so far and walked out with the smart battery case and I used it for the trip and I got to us. You Know Little Camera Button and everything which I love but I never needed the battery like the case. Die Right because because it's like half of the phone's battery but the phone never got below fifty so the phone never would have died itself so on the way back from the trip I returned. It was like it. You know it was. That was a scenario where I would not have wanted to run out of battery but never did so and Max is pretty solid. Yeah which is a great endorsement endorsement. Never using low-powered or anything I was I was taking a lot of pictures and transferring pictures from the camera to the phone and that kind of thing Just never never needed to use it now. I did saw the justify getting into the line in Portland just camera button butlers. I did get in the habit though these in that. Little Cam like the invention where you squeeze and it takes. It's really cool. I want that on the phone so bad to wear it when I was young phone with no case I was squeezing that out of instinct. It's like why they need that. Because you know you hold it down and turns this green honest transit screen on and opens the camera APP. And it's like a little bit of a delay because it isn't like click click openness like click hold an open and then you can start doing your camera thing but and so. That's that's one thing I might be faster to do to another way. If your phone just off you you know you might be able to get to the phone. The the cameras from the way. But if you're in an APP and you WanNa take a picture. I don't think there's a faster way like 'cause say that you're in messages for example and you want to take a picture not like the messages camera or say. You're you're in twitter. You WanNa take a picture or video and the right now what you do is you swipe down to get to the shortcut for that or you go to your home screen and do it Or you go to the lock screen by their typing lock screen and I I. I love being able to press that button and whatever APP. You're in the camera. Takes over you know animates and impulse given to the camera. So that was a good and a low of Andrew. France happened them so yeah and as as much as apple emphasizes the iphone is a camera. Nowadays is kind of interesting they. They haven't done that but like putting on this case on the first step completely. Yup Yup Yup so I love the the camera button. I don't need the extra battery. The bulk by the got to try that out at least and In and while I was gone while I was on the trip I wrote a story on Peleton had their apple watch APP release. This was rumored a few weeks ago. Mike Bloomberg got a story that it was in development or you know being being considered and I had reviewed the Peleton bike in treadmill and the digital subscription experience. Where you can work out with any your own Stafford? Different exercises from your iphone IPAD MAC and and On on on the trip I saw the story and I thought this is so the story like me all over it so I want to write it so I wrote it from the phone and get to push it out but I was. I was like literally sending I was like we were on the bus tour part of the experience and we're like right next to the rocket that would be launching the next day so it was kind of cool to like right that right next to that is neat and then on the day of the rocket launch got delayed the first two days of the experience. It's the first day was touring the Kennedy Space Center and like different facilities like the the big vehicle assembly building which is just massive and the The Ultra Wide Lens on the IPHONE. Eleven came in such used. Because like you need that to get the scoop of that building But that was the first the second day there was more touring plus the lines within the launch got delayed because of upper wind speeds being too high on the third day it was just the next attempt to the line and it happened. I was way better prepared and I had my camera zoomed in aimed at the launch pad. Like my my Sony. Rx One hundred per video recording and captured successfully. And then it's like well I've got A. I've had my ipad in my backpack for like ipad stuff. it's got a camera I might as well just capture as much footage from as many sources possible soy product the IPAD up and had it on video like aiming in the direction action to film and I had the foresight to put that on the disturb mode so that no nothing would interfere with the video capture and and that I went and went really well and then on the iphone I was thinking. Well I'm doing you know a camera. Quality video from from a real camera The IPAD backup and so on the I thought maybe a little bit more creative and those are fixed on the ground pointing at the launch pad. Once the the rock is out of view is still going to be in the sky so on the phone own. I'll I'll like track it with my hands. You know and I use the the cool APP. Do Do at Cam where you the front and back. And that's the one that I like doc and I did that to film the launch and myself and it was really cool because it was like this is my first time seeing a rocket launch like that ever and and it was more exciting than I even expected to be And so it was really cool like filming the rocket lines tracking it as it goes up into the sky past is the point of like shooting forward and seeing it And I never looked at the screen of the phone. I was always looking at like at the rockets that I wouldn't miss the real experience. Got A phone call. It was like a telemarketer and ended my video recording and everything on the phone was lost. Like a AH I keep waiting for it to come back. It's not coming back but it's gone. Yeah I didn't care because I did like on the on the camera and the Ipad you can hear me in the background background reacting in pure joy and it's still the launch is in the frame enough that you can watch thirty second clip and and you see the rocket like a ascending into the sky but man that video that feature where you can fill both sides of the camera like that was the perfect fix scenario and it was going so well but I just forgot to do. And that's like that's an old feature requests have like don't prioritize the phone calls and there's so many things that you can do you can you can cancel or you. Can you can mute. You can block callers so I I do that. You can use APPs to filter out You know telemarketers I do that and then you can also do a toggle to have unknown calls from non context not even ring they. Just go right to the voicemail Komo from your experience and you can check that but I can't do that because there's enough numbers that called me for my kids school daycare. Different things that are different numbers that I can't try yeah. I can't feel good about that but I could have done. Dnd Dion Astir interfered but then a full option. If if you didn't have to cancel what you are doing just to make the phone call you. I show up. I experienced that probably twenty eleven film in the Ocean in South Florida and and I had a phone call and lost video. And I'm not sure if you do the stock camera APP without like special third party Cam video saved or not or APP implementation but as far as I can tell the video was gone like nothing that I think I i. We shut the camera APP. It would cut it off where the call came in which would have been a really sweet video. That would've been great. Yeah Yeah Oh well stare. You're like even in that situation. I is one of the most annoying things about the full screen. Call you I interrupt. What you're doing Aso's according operations you could have the option for vacations that just come down to the top in the actually can so the video until you accept the co like this so many things they could do for modern smartphone smartphone? That is just very antiquated. Yeah yeah yeah but luckily I had two other forms of light videoing plus my eyes were fixed on the actual rock like not the phones screen and so when it happened I was like no but I still had my memories of it from is and then the two other sources of videos recording. Thanks oh just record a video of Iraq into nothing and then I see pinpoint a couple of videos from from new. I'd Cam where it's me me testing it out like up and down raising arms as like the motion of the rocket would be just to make sure that that was going to work out okay and it was great. But and that's what it says ten assets eleven featured that you can do those front and back cameras right. Yes antenna in ten are. Yeah but not okay. The future find another feature for just a feature phone so that was really cool. I will have I I am a little bit behind them. Like what I want to write and what I what I've managed to get out but you know because of all the travel lack of sleep and everything but I do want to put up a race ace recap of of the space centre half marathon Especially you know you can get those results in their second. It's like a long term Apple Apple Watch reveal like every model because you know you forget this stuff. When you're down you know you can go back and look at it and and hopefully in you know five ten years here is the numbers are way different in terms of what you can you can achieve so And then also I've got some really cool pictures from the NASA social experience to to show. I mean every time you posted watch like diary site that it was reminded me if they Christy Turlington blog. The apple did in the run up to the first. What's coming out and I was so good but any of it did it once right? I think they could do that as Komaki in the same way that you have an iphone is like a recurring campaign they have like running with watchos or something. You know like fitness and they do some stuff where they have those Elim like vignettes where they talked to me six or so people here. Whatever but he's not like a proper blocker talk to block things really good with when they did that and obviously I I keep doing the like of knowing? Read them and there was no reaction I would just write it in my journal or something having but the audience reaction is enough that I'm you know it makes me motivated to do more and then a couple more topics topics We hinted last episode that I moved to the sixteen inch macbook pro. Nah Nah no major surprises there. Of course Nothing revolutionary to say. It has treated me well on this trip. I it was it was. It was the machine I did use the IPAD as like some input stuff you know and and and even the iphone I wrote up the Peleton Watch Book Day like from the iphone entirely so all the devices imitation but this is now my my only Mac and just to clarify change computers. So much went from I mac pro and a thirteen inch pro- So so by them and just go to sixteen years now. Yeah made the money back to you now and this is the this is sort of like to me. Is like the redemption map book pro. Because it's I recall whenever you bought your Mac In Two thousand sixteen you of course you recall you have it now in front of you to the you've got the fifteen inch macbook pro WPRO. What what what are your specs there? Two point three I got the base motor with upgraded which at the time it came with eight gig Ram. I'm sorry go sixteen gig Ram and everything else. He's Base Moto have ten fifty six GIG. SSD Yeah Yeah. So I am to my. I'm the the perfect cable has no problems whatsoever to I we. We bought computers at the same time. Then and then I've been through a lot since then of course but but I think it's justifiable nature of SYMANTEC reviewer. But anyway at the time I had finished macro prayer when I specked up I think I went to the the higher higher default fig. There's always one terabyte had the winter. It was like three thousand dollars and then eventually sold that and got something something else when maybe when something interests me I don't know but I am a perfect four who year plus some now. That was great but this is like a of I. I've missed that one terabyte. SSD In a map. Book with power in a big screen consents. I sold the twenty sixteen model and now I've got that again and you know I've got the other twenty one and a half inch L. G.. Four K ultra fine nine display so as we record the podcast. You know I've got my microphone. And everything set up at the desk clam shell mode that connected to the Monitor. And then the Mike's into the back of the Monitor etc so It's I'm not even using like a docking station yet. It's just the the monitors you know with its its USB port in the back of sufficing Safar car and for power even so. That's what I'm doing and it feels really good to have one terabyte. SSD again could have gone higher but it was. It was kind of Nice to get that same the same specs as as twenty sixteen but with a better processor. Now what is a core. I nine now inside Yep Sixteen gigabytes of Ram. I'm not sure what I had before been. I'm thinking it was probably sixteen at the time then to maybe but But having one tear by infertile a lot less money mean we as we discussed with the episodes the SSD prices are you can get more bang for your buck now than you could three or four years ago so good to have my full photo library there to to work with and Plus more than I've got about two hundred fifty gigabytes of free space which is like it. It feels good to have like a base model. You know thirteen. It's MAC book pro or the space free. Yeah that's my entire is is right right tour and I'll tell you I've been surviving communities kicking a state until this year now the shares go radio ties I'm definitely getting chief H.. E. Fingers about the cable to Jason Right most. was you taking the keyboard again. Yeah Yeah I use the macbook air with today and one thing. I noticed that. Because you've got the deke separate there I've used that. where touching own key but it feels taller now because it's own key plus there's more travel and and so it's like a really thick touch? Id Key I'm happy with the keep words fine. It's good that touch bars there. I like that I if I had the option I would keep keep it like the escape key. I don't care about the Arrow keys but they work like I think if I was customizing it I would have the The the other Arrow keys. But I don't care enough if I S D card. I love that I probably look into seeing if I can make transferring transferring photos and videos from my camera directly to the MAC as easy as it is to us because that's that's really easy skinny. Qr Code or or like bump it near NFC. The Nick does the Wi fi directing The number down the math right now. I'm S- leasing the adaptor in in moving the cart around and that's a pain on the keyboard. How is the backline? Yeah I showed you some good pictures. I think of that of of what the twelve inch math book especially it was like when that was like the first butterfly keyboard keyboard with this like really sloppy. Back lighting where the command key would say calm and then the end part would be not backlit. 'cause it was just so bad dad my my six fifteen inches like that. They call the seat. Let the CEO and the day of the command word like dimmed out in the middle. Dan have on several advocates as well. It doesn't look like apple level of quality but on the on the new machine that does it. They've they've sorted out which the reliability one thing in the hallway. The Keyboard Phil says another thing. But like I don't think people mentioned the backbiting sloppiness. Because it's about lying annoys me every single good. Yeah Yeah because it looks like if it was lit I can daylight that you rubbed off the edges of the key things coming on. which literally would do to this keyboards betting because heat? Maybe but in that case it was just like that was the way it was designed and it was never gonNa get better than that and they've seen to do better again. You haven't yet NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE I've had. I've had lunch with computer and it hasn't broken. which is you know an accomplishment and achievement? So Ah one thing is you know is really curious about is to go from to go from thirteen point. Three inches to six inches is a big job. You know you get a lot more screen list day and it's it's the same as from thirteen point three to fifteen point four but to go from fifteen point four to sixteen because it isn't like sixteen point something it's sixteen point zero so it's not a full inch bigger. It's point six inches bigger. It seems to be I guess just from like my use said it's it's the the left and right edges right that are thinner like Ten and a half inch IPAD. They made And you you don't notice the thinner Basil's the TUB Bobbin the bottom like in the middle of the screen just like viewing it. But if you get the cursor or content on decided the screen that it does feel like Oh this is a step it forward. This is more modern It's too bad that you don't get on top and the bottom vessels but it does fill sleek you know like it ought to be when you're using when you're working with content and it's on the edge of the screen fills feels like it needs to and then the set up experience because I've I've tried using a time machine backup and then migration assistant before but of always had an issue where something or another would come up whether it's like the version of software there were the big thing is banned. I'll try to restore from a bigger drive then going into you and so you can't do that unless you make some decisions citizens about what you're gonNA save in this time. I was going from the one terabyte. I MAC pro. SSD each with a one terabyte map pro SSD and it's about six hours. But I just left it and came back and it was the easiest setup experience ever. I didn't get a whole bunch of new warnings. For like the Catalina stuff enough that was that was wonderful the were it was the last that had to reregister. Even though it was you know came over some settings that were reset he said but for the most part it's been released mood like all my apps or at least installed there can be configured so it's it's been smooth experience and and to go from a new Mac a few days before taking a ship like this one and not have that be a factor. I was that was kind of the alternate tasks like you know like literally the two Max that I've been working from are no longer possession. I sold those and so it's all on the new Matt and there was no like no. I've got to set this up or something you know this was all really smooth melt. I am enjoying this computer. The I do hope that like in the next five years or so. That apple makes version of of a display. That's like a successor to the venerable display. Where it's affordable and looks good because I can never afford one of the thimble wins in the time that it was available then whenever I could afford it was outdated and you know had the algae ones are not not inspiring and the apple pro display X.? Tr is just enormous. I don't see it's too expensive. And he's not is is is beyond need right because they have to put fans in Attica because of the sunny high peak brightness and what we want is just a nice five K.. Display the cheaper but also you can be really thin and slim is right like I want like an ipad pro but twenty seven inches. And don't worry about with the intern. The screen yeah wouldn't have a fan built into it. So that's the MAC book Story for the week. And then you're still you're not. You're not doing anything but I think I'm going to try and talk you into it. I'm thinking about it tonight. Because what if you got to wait for like you know. Maybe there's some SPEC differences is and maybe there's something with the screen type and there there was quote on some many led soft like there's always improvements coming and eventually got a job. Yeah the the thing is with Iras devices tend to update like on day. One or two right with Max the same kind of precious I if like a deal comes up with something. Maybe I'd I'd put it down the line The the I just have some like ingrain resentment to upgrading grading the computer just because of the keyboard situation and like buying again because of that like it's just like psychological hatred right. I don't give a please apple. Just for the fact they gave me a media could Tabacchi over the last three years. I've been kind of wearing the the lapd about to the point of me like actually outgrowing it like with Hall Drive Situation Right and then when I do about great again I can feel happier about it. So that's kind of where I've been. What what would you what would you? What would you get in color and everything I probably just get the base motor one terabyte and space gripe properly? So that's the that's the I seven while with one terabyte. Yeah I or maybe I just get the I probably get the base motive upgraded storage. Just get the twenty seven nine nine figure that I did. Yeah yeah because back in like the performance is fine. I I didn't. I'm not like str- if I was really struggling for performance and I met my current holdups with my mouth would prey today a keyboard and an SSD storage and you know. I have extended. I says t's and I have served and stuff and Nasr's I can have your issue of where my file two hundred gigabytes in fifty. Yeah I I'm happy to replace a lot took when it comes time but I don't WanNA WANNA be like. I'm only getting rid of this thing because the keyboards socks because then I feel like I'm like being folded into something. Yeah if I have one issue it it is my library where even though I did migration assistant. I've been in that matching phase where it has uploading for whatever reason whether it's matching the local copies with the cloud. But it's been yeah that happens when you're update just generally yeah so forever. I know gather eventually yeah. I'm not a very funny. You say like what you waiting for because we didn't talk about the room section this week to the the twenty twenty Mab pry booby mini. Led displays which might enable Sibusiso situations as well. Yeah there's it was something. Yeah it was reported is like come on quo one last thing before we go. We tend to save apple. TV stuff for the very end of the podcast in case you. You're not interested but there are a few things to discuss this week. So we'll jump around the world a little bit here I have seen the season finale of see I know down with the next season I gotTa Watch it. Watch it as soon as it came out which was like eleven. PM central time so it was like before bed and so I was like laughing dead kind of like it again but It wasn't like mad. You know. Sometimes you see a finale like I wasted my time but that like you know one in closing scene can can make you feel like you wasted. You know the entire Byun time before that. I didn't have that it was obviously. You know there's going to be season two uh-huh and it it. It did feel like this was like half of a season. You know eight episodes is weird. That is I and then you go for mankind John dickerson. And they're owning sherry that route ten random why they would say temporary. Yeah I was as satisfied with where it went there because I mean we you know without the discussing anything specific to the show we just generally we. We had things that we were concerned about that. If they don't happen by the end of the season than than what are we doing you in an now is that is fine with how everything went. Yeah because I'm definitely not enthusiastic about negative on. Yeah I I've been watching every every episode and I have to say I'm liking it more slowly. You could call it the first three four episodes I feel like they're getting into spot whether they stole it was like I have a disease into. I'll put it that way like I don't hate it but I love sci fi shows like that feature stuff is like very middle of the road ish right. We'll see the last episode. It was the first time where I felt like now. I've got to suspend disbelief like this capable. But yeah maybe I maybe I mean imagine the Climax Maksim everything that's been happening so far but you'll see it And then also servant this the MS Shamlan series. It debuted on Thanksgiving thanksgiving day with the episodes and now on four zero Zafar yeah. I've watched the first three. I actually really like it okay. Calls Creepy Weird Weird is a definite has scope to be stupid. But YOU'RE GONNA have to like again. It's one of those things where like you to the wedding resolution stock coming in to be evaluating. What do you think it's just ridiculous or share in line with the with the myth the mythology of the story? I the first two episodes ally captivating and I've done a lot of research such a seven. Obviously a pile of stuff and I was very surprised at how it went even with the pre requisite information so creepy or is it like ten or yes. He's very tense. Okay Yeah 'cause that's it does very little like this very little violence silence. At least in the at least in what we've seen so far is very like psychologically tense like what's going to happen. You don't really know what's going to happen. The different have different interpretations of what's happening type. The situation is not like C.. which is like swords and guts and violence big dumb brew right? Yeah it's more like it's the morning show but for like horror. Yeah like where he's like addressing a subject so in the moon situation it'd be like sexual misconduct inherits like a psychological situation but it's never like straight on the noses at least on the I four three. I've seen circling around on the. It's really different. I I really like I will get to it but I think I'm GonNa wait. You know obviously a Finnish see now I watch all of Dickenson because that was out all at once wants and I quote with servant it feels like Like the last few weeks have been so busy and you know things are i. Don't I feel like it's like the two tenths for what I need to be entertained by right now. But he's definitely like exhausting in that regard. aww Say many episodes right you have to concentrate. Yeah and so when when you have winds of exhausted everything that's on TV. Plus which takes no time at all then the choice but to check it out and Vincent there'll be a point where I guess there'll be something that it just isn't for me because there's just enough stuff they're not there yet at all and then as of today truth be told is out which has interesting cast. Yeah has interesting cost Wherever you want to think reviews Kirk Review? Hi Okay Guy. They pick crickets crick seven so but trematode is not as not had the same response so you can take those. You is what you want okay. Let's let's see for yourself. How the movies or so out today by the way okay and then why things really stupid is that as of today today's go onto the coming soon section of Apple? TV plus it has one thing in it and the one thing in it is the banker the film that may or may not be released. Who knows I can't believe they go into the state they have? They have plenty of content. There is stuff coming out in January. There's coming amount send you. I think they should always be in a situation where they have a couple all of active shows and then coming soon. And there's like two more things coming next month to keep you join in at at the moment or this listed is the film. That's under contention of not coming out. an previewed any of the series. I don't understand how they'd go into this mess. Like if you look at what happened in November threatening time van by you had all the active shows plus you had the teases for Halla truth be towed seven. They even did the Bank of trailer as well in November and now we're in December and they have teased literally nothing of that twenty twenty slight. It just seems insane if you haven't seen the up front or like read the Apple Dot COM page on TV than than as far as dumb as far as you if you just look at that that one and a half minute sizzle trainer. They did emerge. There's like seven shows on there too. They haven't alleged a tour in terms of coming out so they plenty of stuff ready to roll out. They just haven't previewed anymore. I don't understand why but she did. Yeah and the The the TV guys Jamie Zach names right Yup Yup. They said that they're scheduled for I mean that's just like press talk but they've they've committed to bring out new stuff every month every single month in January but they should preview it the month before so and so at this point Shimmy they don't announce it in the next two weeks which is unlikely because very soon all of apple goes in like Christmas holiday break you have the finales of you'd the final say and you sit finales of mankind in the morning show and then people like what my you know what my paying for is that watch now. Nothing's coming up soon. Seems seems stupid. Yeah can come with things on my trip to NASA to the Space Center for the first two nights that were planned. I rented an airbnb which is really nice home. And they're smart. TV had a Roku Acoustic attached to it and I search the APP store and founded Apple. TV APP installed in logged. It didn't with my phone without like doing the whole password thing on the TV to the web. Really easy and for the two nights that I was there I used the apple. TV APP on the roku stick on the TV. And then when I checked out I signed out and left the apple. TV APP on the rookie stick. But I like that. It was like having my apple. TV experience in home but on the road without plugging in you know an apple TV or something that was really cool. The third night that the rocket launch was delayed by day then wash had a hotel at night and was not that nice and I just watched on my Mac but yeah which sounds pretty good but but it was needs to be able to go into to just an airbnb home rental and have the apple. TV APP. It wasn't already there. But I could go and get it sign in use it assign out leaving installed as possible now yes yup and then last. This isn't a spoiler for C.. But if you're sensitive a to it maybe maybe there's I don't know but you know the opening opening music. It's a nice touch that I think in the last episode they wrapped it. Feels like a nice like You know put a bow on the season that I I watch it and see but I think that the opening scene gene the theme music there sounds like literally parts of the scenes of like the big finale. Okay yeah which felt like a neat tidy spoiler throw back and stuff yeah exactly and then. The music started filling more like eighties. like a stranger things like when we get into like the episodes over now I felt like a different shift so I think they're doing something you know see. They can rely heavily on soundlink. They they they don't they don't overdo it. But in those two moments I felt like the the their knowledge in the holy eight episodes of the theme it was seen and then the season to you know it's GonNa it's GonNa come and they're going to enter the you know the the sound of the show chain if I felt like and that it was like representative like I guess the storytelling to spoiler all right. That is the happier podcast. For this week. You can follow us on twitter and instagram. Mealy might Apollo Benjamin. You're on twitter at BS ally sticking yesterday as I was driving for way too long. That if we podcast in two thousand like in the two thousands instead instead of saying twitter and instagram out. Pol Zach for me I would say maybe like Zanga in my space cow moo pig oink as I need I need arrest you can email us feedback. You have at happy hour nine to five Mac dot com If you enjoy this show please share it with friends. You can read this in Apple. PODCAST or recommend is an overcast. 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Is LG really shutting smartphones down? (TK Bay)

Pocketnow Weekly Podcast

1:10:26 hr | 5 months ago

Is LG really shutting smartphones down? (TK Bay)

"Hello everybody and welcome to the pocket. Weekly podcast i'm your host joshua for gara not everybody tiki returns to the show and together. We ribbon this a little bit because one of the biggest pieces of news recently is that. Lg might be leaving the smartphone business. Now we speculate because not a whole lot is actually confirmed but we also talk about some of our memories with the company and many phones that they have brought to us in both the smartphone and prior eras before that however we do talk about the oppo reno five pro tiki has an end. I just got a video done on it. Over on my channel at youtube dot com slash joshua bruguera the renal five is actually pretty interesting especially when you consider the fact that it has the mediatek dimensity one thousand plus of which we were pretty impressed by its performance. Speaking of performance and processors qualcomm also released snapdragon eight seventy which was an interesting development considering the had the hundred eighty eight and we don't really have an update to the well received but still mid range seven sixty five all of that ahead on the pocket. Weekly podcast with t. Kebe enjoy all right. Tk back on the show Yeah i thank you for having me again man. I need to i need to. I need to apologize on air. Okay every time. A big release comes out. It doesn't matter how healthy any of us are. That big release will mess everything that's pretty. That's pretty much. The story of our lives as tech tech personalities. Because i overslept this morning. After having the worst sleep of my last few nights covering not only The galaxy s twenty one ultra but the opo oppo reno five pro so which i. Yeah as i was saying that i remembered you onto so why don't we only got one. Yeah why don't we jump into this episode. just talking straight about that particular device I actually oh mine is back in this cupboard. That's behind me so you might need to just show yours off but yeah i need to give a quick like top level surface level observation on that phone. Yes it looks great. It's got a great I don for what did they call it. Looks like it. Looks like mystic What was it called a note. Ten frick. I forgot it was The no ten has had more. It was more reflective with the note ten dollars glow. that was what it was or glow yay yet. This i i mean look it's definitely an eye-catching color and now it's a very unique design in the sense of what they're trying to shoot for the trying to make it obviously look and feel more than what. What did you get where you're getting in the hands so the reality is it is plastic but it looks great. It's great and camera. And it glows in the dark like at night if she flash a Like a green light green a a a black light on it. it actually The the the area where we focus here this entire area a kind of has its own glow and the camera sensor assembly also close so it has some nice. It has some nice I i did that with the insurer. My video for the gaming because of k. Let's make it interesting. maybe you know a. It's for okay first of all. It's a very nice reno for for what reno stance for and what reno does I like i like what they're offering there are. I would have wished for headphone jack and a stereo speakers could have felt like that was missing factor for me. Maybe the stereo speakers more so than than headphone jack because it's it just begs content consumption. It's a large display. You know gaming on this. Well you know i i. I agree with you there. It is it is a nice size of the display. But it's not like a huge like it's dust right and not not and even with the features that you might be missing their the the top level like thing i wanted to point out is yeah. It's a great looking phone and everyone's going to like enjoy looking at the device but then you hold it and i'm still still flabbergasted at how thin the reno five pros but it's a consistent theme though all read every single reno that have had an opportunity to to us. They're always light and like they're very very like an in it. But it goes to the material selection that they are going with. Its for the most part plastic. Like the size of the railing is not meddle. It feels like it but it's literally plastic on plastic glass and data tributes to that feel the why is it so light like i put in my pocket and i don't feel like it. Phone may not even be there But that's that's a reno like when you hold the reno you know that that's what you're getting especially within the few iterations like with the three four. I went to ask. When did you start with the reno line like what was your first. I we know was zoom. I did then d you remember how know that. That's why i said the reno. Three i to preface it that one because i think the ten x zoom was a unique thick one There was the reno said which was also It's not as thick but it's definitely not as thin. And then after that. I started on the reno. Three pro four four pro and then five got allen. Yeah i love the evolution because what happened was with the i will always have such fond memories. Okay full disclosure. Yes we are quote unquote influencers. So memories with certain products are tied to experiences Yeah the time soon. I was gonna well the reno ten times. Zoom is the phone that during its launches like we have a we have you and i both have fairly close relationships with With with opo our said reno without and when the ten times zoom came out they had their launch in europe in zurich so i was able to visit zurich for literally one day but that's okay And then they brought me Highway an isa out for that trip to tokyo where we were actually told that with the ten times. Zoom sure used zooms a lot Because we're going to go to a lot of places like mount fuji where you need to do this. All that alloys remember and i'm sure some people are going to grown at this story but i'll always remember how it was us. Meson high may and a bunch of photographers and now i'm actually really good friends. With a couple of these refers they are fantastic. People i remember. I remember kicking it with them and then we went over to our contact who was kicking it with us in tokyo and he was. We were just like so. What did you want us to do like are we doing like she just. He wants to do something. I g lives and all that stuff and they're like no. You're just you're just hanging out with us this enjoy and me and he said looked at each other like are you freaking kidding. Me like This is not so to pay it forward because we're not just going to be freeloaders to pay it forward. We actually all did review our reviews of that phone during that trip. We actually like that. Yeah we got we got into a and what was funny was our context. Well that's really nice of you to do that. We're like what are you talking about like you should have been asking us. Do we feel guilty. Down was super land work. The plan work. The thing is the ten times zuma so cool ash-shark fin had the pop up camera and all of that and then things starts to look a lot different after that. I just need to be this and you put this out there. You use the oppo reno. Four four pro or whatever. The case may be wasn't that such such a boring device it was very i mean it was an initiative right i mean but it also came out at the same time same year as the oppo reno three. It was kind of like the whole. they're turning. I felt like there was more more reno's than we knew what to do with But as a as a device. Yeah i mean i feel like this is. This is more exciting to me right now. At least with from the design aesthetics And i just the color itself. It really changes depending on how the light hits it and At one point. I was able to get it to match the color of the box that it comes in because it comes with such a such a blue patel color so think too. It's very nice holding up the back so I have to say though. The design change the language change. We no longer have pop up shark fins. That kind of went away in what we have now. Obviously i think it's a new line and this is i think the first time that they started putting the Designed by renault right. I think they're starting to Maybe a i would say maybe distinguished the brand into identity on its own. Not necessarily designed by alpo. It's designed by renault of the nord is by one plus which still remains as a great point that you made regarding the nord as a brand. It's still something i took with me. Our The puck review by the way of the norden ten is pending. Did this week was as twenty one week. So it's up to hymie. Put that thursday morning. Thursday morning dude. I woke up thursday morning. And all i know it was like my whole feed wrestling with like what and that was like so many of us stayed up the night before just to get those videos done. Which is why overslept. This and i'm actually diesel. I'm actually still going to be heading out to do a little bit of content on the regular s twenty one. So that's what i have here. I'm going to run out and do some real world camera tests and whatnot but in any case back to the back to the five pro one other thing about this found that really impressed me and i i hate. I hate diving into these particular topics because it always sounds like halfway facetious. It really isn't we. Don't have any ill will or we don't try to throw shade at mediatek. It's just that historically mediatek processor ended up in phones that we are not the biggest fans of is because they are the budget Offerings usually typically. That's what you see and speaking of mediatek which will also kind of circle back on this morning. There was the announcement of the few forty from honor Featuring the same exact processor as our little guy here z one thousand plus and i have to give them credit because the one thousand plus has i mean. I know you've only had maybe a few days with the phone. But i i was honestly very impressed with the performance on that phone. I i think a lot of absent games are not like made for it. Because when i throw on an impact i was in. I was expecting to get really bad performance on at the moment i hit sixty fps moat. Which is what. I always try to This one of my first tests. It says that it's over overloading the system but the game forms mode or balanced mode but performance mode. Yeah news a game. Space little thing like turn on performance about and when i go to english motor. Yeah l. a. competition why. That's what they have this. One i go to medium settings but at sixty fps. It says. it's overloading the system. But i'm playing just fine. Now is actually really impressed. So dimensity one thousand plus. How's your how's your experience. Been with it so far. Very very positive e. So i went into the conversation expecting what i used to us. So i've just for point of reference. I just raised. The dimensity was dimensity. Eight hundred On the reno. Nevada reno the redmi note nine t that the redmi note nine pro. That just got released by a really Dangle see this is where i start having used the eight hundred them. Is this too many and that one for me. You felt like what. I used to know media. It was slightly more powerful. But it wasn't up to par to what i was expecting from either mid range like the seven series what we got without with qualcomm certain yup the with the dimensity eight hundred. I felt like the performance wasn't there but the one thousand like when you benchmark even use that it's pretty close to the eight fifty five so it's not definitely a sixty five or an eight eighty eight kind of competitor. But if you think about it you know like if you if you're holding and oneplus seven pro realistically that's roughly what you're getting the performance power and it performed quite well Handles the knife frames per second. And i think he can handle all the way up to one hundred and twenty hertz for refresh rates so it's not even an issue for to go further. Yeah that's what. I like about it and that was the other thing too. Like the the reno five pro with ninety hurt screen. I'm always nice to see that I the only. The only part that i felt lake was an. It's usually the case with these phones. That are supposed to be Immediate tech's own words with the dimensity one plus it's affordable flagship. So there are some corners cut epsom. Obviously it's going to be the camera like where we're back to that era where these phones that are under. Let's say eight or seven hundred dollars. They have one really good sensor. And then a few extras. I could for me could do. They literally could have gone with one center in the back. Because that's how i feel like ninety percent of the stuff is air. The main sensor is the primary. The others are i. I think the primary sensors on the front and back are are the main ones. Actually i take that back. I think the primary sensor in the back is the best of all of all the sensors that we have the front. One has some has some challenges. It's a little bit for me. It's a little bit too soft like I tried taking a few portraits with evening. Good lighting and i was. It was having a hard time giving me a clear good image. My hand wasn't even moving that much But i looked at it as for me if you wanna take a good picture. There's nothing wrong with flipping it over to the other side snapping to pick with the with the main sensor and you're still going to be able to get decent pictures and in good lighting and it was actually able to do quite well The modes were nice. I saw they think you use some of them on your in your video and Only thing for me was at seven twenty. P though i wish it was ten eighty p i was like That's always something like you just not going to get everything with everything. Like i even remember what the times zoom with the old opel renault that my biggest gripe was that you couldn't use video on all of on all sensors. Yeah exactly and i still don't have by the way i did. They get up at last time. I checked i still didn't have calero s. Eleven on the ten times myths lesin received it yet. The international model so color with seven was supposed to come out but it came out on the ten x zoom indian model or at least it as models the when i got because so you enter the I don't know which version you got. But i ended up going to the uk launch of the denic zoom. So i was was part of the time we were going there for an honor event and then happened to be to be at the same time But so i got my hand on on a european model that was apparently much later so i'm still waiting for colorado on the tenant zoom but it's it's a very nice phone overall the design the aesthetics the speed It was just my my forty into the reno line which was very nice yeah All right well that would be some talk on the arena. Five pro colorful phone color. 'cause that was in color full phone All right so While we're talking about the dimensity one thousand plus. There is other processor talk from this week. all com- In a i want to say it's a little bit of a surprise but in a multiple but in multiple ways The actually announced a true follow up to the snapdragon eight sixty five plus in this case. But now it's the snapdragon. Eight seventy now seventy. This is going to be and let me pull up the let me pull up the the article real quick so it's more like eight sixty five than it is the eight In that it is a seven nanometer process. Not five like the aid and it also clocks in at three point two gigahertz compared to the eight sixty five plus which was three point. One gigahertz so you get a little bit more speed increase. Compared to what the age sixty five plus was able to provide in like the mid portion of last year i The plus model the plus model processors usually end up being those ones you see and like gaming phones and whatnot. because it it's supposed to be the performance It processor yeah. It's what you expect from gamers gamers like to. Oc like to overclock and push the limit of their hardware so typically debts. And i think if. I'm if i'm not mistaken i think that's where qualcomm earnestly started the plus sign. It was four isues forty first. Rg phone they asked for a special edition. Version of their chip for their for their device and a became so popular that it became. Its own thing. But yeah it like you're right. It was a gaming. So the the eight seventy What i what i see here. I'm looking at the technical article this say that the spec sheet the data. She'd rather the data sheets for the eight. Sixty five pleasant eight seventy are virtually identical. It's almost as if it is eight. Sixty five plus a stopgap to this processor. It was a weird. Yeah like so. The way was introduced to me was the this is a true successor because we always thought the eight hundred eighty eight was the successor of the eight sixty five or the eight sixty five plus and in reality. No it's the eight seven. That's the successor in the eight. Eight is the new light because like you said seven nanometer versus five nanometer Like you said actually if you look at the. I'm looking at the specific line by line Same adreno Gpu in there Seven nanometer in there at same maximum camera through to the two hundred. But i think that's shared all across But it's overall like a clock speed is a minor upgrade to it both consistent What not considerable both technically pushing higher numbers than what we get with the eight eighty eight although the eight has the five nanometer architecture fort so it's a slight different setup And i'm wondering. I guess it would deal with this. Be truly like the they were intentionally going for as opposed to admit amid ranger yet. Successors that the seven series. 'cause i was expecting a seven. Seventy seven seven eighty whatever inserts seven x kind of thing You know because we haven't heard anything about those at all. We saw the four eighty. That was the other announcement. They made the to a couple of weeks ago. That's the other that's like the low end cheap five g super yep exactly So eight seventy. I'm i'm interested to see what devices Take take hold of in. Do you think that because this is a position to lower than the eight that there would actually be any cost savings here because they're saying that okay so qualcomm saying that devices based on the eight seventy are expected to come out in the first quarter of two thousand twenty one. Which i find interesting because i'm holding in my hand and eighty eight found that comes in at under eight hundred dollars so we do have quote unquote more affordable options for the top tier of of these snapdragon line. So what exactly is eight seventy supposed. What void is it supposed to fill seven. Ninety nine is possible with the galaxy s twenty one and that's the galaxy to remember. We still have the The red magic to all the other gaming devices that we see like last year. Because that's where we saw the eight sixty five come out like for unders like six hundred bucks on the red magic five and we're five g I'm not sure where the eight seven is intending to to kind of fall fall because the reality is it's either that they wanted to keep continue selling the eight sixty five plus slightly better version of it like you said it's like essentially they're continuing. The eight sixty is seems like a rebrand like really old. I feels like a rebrand. Because when you look at the spec sheet really line-by-line it's a copy paste and It really doesn't change much like it's it's almost like saying that if you get in no ten Like no twenty. Ultra with the eight sixty five plus because that was they did go with eight sixty. Five plus with the samson samson's last year That pretty much is where you're getting here. I mean i. I didn't really see that much of a difference other than another overclock on top of another overclock. So it's a slightly more tuned. It would say more tuned. Eight sixty five plus. That's probably what it. But i think it will perform great its flagship quality. It's very much up there when it comes down to what you're expecting to get in it's a proven assoc- we have many devices Like the s twenty. One may not have it this year. Have eight eighty eight. But last year's entire lineup from samson was on the sixty five so yeah. It's it's still interesting. Do you remember how when qualcomm during tech summit they announced the eight eighty eight. Yeah we were very excited for and whatnot. And the first thing that they say is usually a rush to see who would be first to use the chip and it was at the time it was shami. Shami was saying like eleven going on on exactly but for the vast majority of us we got the s twenty one first before the me eleven's arrived. It's it's the because what happened is that's true so i i. Eight eighty eight device in the us. Its galaxy s twenty one. That's pretty much where it's going to be. A first device internationally actually would still be the the no not. They wouldn't even be the not in asia so it it was already technically did come up. I it's splitting hairs at amusing. But i in asia in i in the us. But not i in the national market because the me eleven isn't out internationally. I think it's still not global addition S twenty-one is only going to be in the us because outside of the us you're getting pretty much You know the exit. Twenty one hundred. So i don't it. Yeah short answer Xiaomi wins because they officially made it available in the world. 'cause they're also seeing it. I think One and they're all looking at Dave to d- got one too. And i think they're all looking at the chinese model. They're not they're not reviewing or A giving a precious on the us motto international. So we'll have to see But i'm waiting for the final. Three man i that issue we heard we saw samson. We saw xiaomi alpo to come in and weigh in. On this i am. I am happy with this. But i want a successor to the find stoop bro. Yeah i agree and you know what with With oboe doing what they did with the reno five pro and then seeing what they did with find x two pro with the design aspects. Man what will the find x three pro bring. That's that's going to be an interesting. The the one thing that i focus on what they said last time during their e-e-e-e-no a is that they're trying to work a little bit more on their color. Accuracy true ten bit color accuracy under panels so It may be something where they can do. More with refresh rate. But i mean if they give us a q. hd one twenty hertz which we already have. That's like they've been doing it for a year But to see that plus true ten bit color options. I really would be excited to see because that was the beauty of it that the panel on the on the oneplus eight pro as well as the findings to pro were gorgeous panels and anybody. That's held it in you know You know it was just anyways it short answer is. I'm hoping they do it faster. So if you're listening please hurry. Hurry start giving us more info. We need more information. I honestly on the topic of qualcomm. I'm just really hoping that of seven series comes out again. Because i i will admit as as awesome as the seven sixty five g turned out to be It's starting to look a little long in the tooth. Like any phones. I come out now with seven sixty five. You're starting to kind of feel. Oh there's a little bit missing. And then that's the pitfall of what's qualcomm tends to do. Is they bring out some sort of super high powered thing to show you what can be. But then you're stunned with. What is the seven sixty five g like for example. Anybody out there right now and we're gonna get into a little bit of galaxy. Twenty s twenty. One talk right now If you were to hold a galaxy s twenty one. I'm talking about the smaller one. And then you use a pixel five you will see the difference. You will know absolutely mid range to top of the line a year later processor because it you know yup absolutely. There's there would be no no doubt that. We're talking leaps imbalance architecture to flagship quality as opposed to mid range The these seven series last year was an interesting dilemma for me because it was announced that the same time as the series when we were at molly but then it didn't really come out till the middle of the year like it wasn't too like may june 'til we started seeing myself with it. There was the strike. I thought it was the nord. Pas might have been in sorry it was around the same time as what basically the velvet in the nord started coming out with the with the seven series Obviously we saw the pixel line going into it. The pixel five the pixel forty five g But those devices that felt like were giving us that flagship experience on midrange processor. So that's what. I what i was hoping for the announcement from qualcomm at this point to be but it seems like we're getting something a little bit more. We're getting literally like last year's flagship. Ed as a rebrand m hoping for a cost savings by comparison to the eight eighty eight because of the architecture and because in theory if you think of it they're pretty much using pro either same silicon anything else into slightly -tuni- it To get the extra you know from three point. Three point one two three point two were were literally splitting hairs. But but it again like you said. It's the the rebranding to eight seventy which will catch the the tone. It's not going to be an eight sixty five. Plus it's the eight seventy. So let's see that seventy but see it qualcomm. Show us the seven. Seventy seven eighty or seven seventy seventy eight eight eight seven seven seven. We could do that. Were good But yeah so. The goal is essentially. Obviously let's see what what willpower the midrangers for for this year. Because i feel like the eight. Seventy is is really is really in the same realm as the eighty eight. It's not exactly but it's up there. Yeah for sure. All right so There's a little bit of a. There's a little bit of a What's a term looking for here. There's a little bit of a There's a weird. There's a funny dichotomy here because what we have is. I want to talk about the last last thing that one of the last things that happened. This week was everyone. Start putting out the reviews on the galaxy s twenty one and the ultra last week. Everybody last week. I i meet her to have somebody on. Who had the phone. Because i didn't so had david melon. And now the other way around. Because i have the phones. Petit doesn't speaking of david. L. and es twenty one Conversation big announcement this week man. I i was watching the show at the end of the video. Like what So i was very happy for him. Obviously all the best everything but shots a best friend david and mel friend of the show but he and i worked together for a number of years at android authority and now he is moving on Yeah he's leaving android authority to join marquez bradley team. Which is like are you kidding. Me bro Mel that's so super bishops. Oh that is bad. O k b h Okay i'm gonna ended there while the very well deserved and like i say I i do want to have him on because David has he said on twitter. He's going to be taking a month off. And i told him when you get bored amino and have you on the show again a home but yeah when when he's back on we'll we'll talk. We'll we'll reminisce. We'll have a few stories from the android authority days and hours But yeah i remember when he was I still remember one of his first videos. Franjo authority tanked. It was like not like no one liked it. He did it because they asked him to. You know and it was one of was one of those things where he just had to because part of what he what his job was obviously so he built he spent quite a bit of time after that rebuilding what his identity would be there and it was after i left android authority that he took the reins and just brand with it. So super proud of him Absolutely yeah he's for. Sure like a lowbrow to me in that in that regard but yes so i had him on last week. He had the galaxy and twenty one hand. I have both And i will admit that. I did not haven't even opened the smart tag yet because Yeah i'm here. What am i going to do. Like i'm in my home and i'm not going anywhere. So whatever and the other thing too. I actually said this out loud to my parents was like i'm not gonna use this yet. I can't show this on video. And you're like why because when i show it off it reveals in my case and so the biggest thing wherever whenever you do anything. That reviews uses location services. Like one time. I was trying to make a video on android auto and i was like. Let me go in the garage into it. No no. it's one of those things you have to drive six miles away. I'm not saying i did. But i'm saying is i had ended up basic plan this entire process and make sure the information so it's a little bit more personal like when it comes down to the hague's like these But you're right. Yes you're it's almost like you'd have to entirely created tire f at this entire you separate identity for it exists separately But we have more of them. I mean everybody that. I think anybody that everybody had preordered. S twenty-one either alter or whatever got a free one i think they included it free with the orders so it's not like you had to buy them see some of these. Bundles are no brainers. Because i i. I know that i said in my review that the galaxy buds pro are not my fav- or they're not the best i've ever used and by that i meant to. They're not the best sounding butts. Like i still don't absolutely i defer to my sennheiser i i do love my sennheiser so much as far as sound is concerned but i will admit that they are slowly convincing me. That they are the best buds. I've ever used from a usability standpoint. So it's really hard to redact a youtube video like it's impossible. But i will not anymore. You can't even you can't even put cards misery. Exactly yeah so. I i do want to on the record here on the pocket now. Weekly say that It is becoming a top three earbud and so many reasons. Why but i. But i stand by what i said in my review. Which is they're not the best sounding I want to clarify that. They're not the best sounding. I'm still a sennheiser guy and anybody out there. If all you deal in our earbuds absolutely. It's probably going to be one of the best ever had but people like. Tk and myself mean is wearing a pair of super high quality headphones right now like we. We know what we we know. What great sound sounds like to us. it absolutely and i'm working on my video They're available to pick up by the way from amazon right now so sweet. That's one one of the weirdest thing they did. same thing. Last time is The buds are always available. Ahead of lunch drew From exactly from a usability standpoint it is actually quite like to have them in your ears and then you talk to somebody comfortably. That is unheard of in a lot of headphones menu and get back to the phones. I was going to invite you. K to channel the audience. A little bit and i head of you getting your units once. They actually do release like. Do you have any questions or anything that you want to give. You want us to sort of dive into for the next five or so minutes i think for me mostly especially with the ultra model. Because you've used the so you've used the note. Twenty ultra you've used the s twenty ultra and the ultra for me so for me the physical size. It's actually a little bit smaller than the s. Twenty ultra so. I got comfortable with that. Do you notice that. It's not as big that they did that. We lost a little bit on this on the size on the ultra. I do notice it But i. But i'm i'm in the opposite camp zoo in the sense that i thought the twenty all trump was like it needed a needed to get on a treadmill like it was just tube like i. I thought it was agreed. Just the way that it was designed because it was almost as if they didn't like they forgot to streamline it that's what i meanwhile the big display six point yes but also like it was just like the curve was kind of like weird and then the The camera hump obviously was just like this. Like i'm lawyer. Now where. I anchor my index finger underneath camera bumps. I even do it with yesterday when trump showing it off right now but on that one. It was just like i can. it was. That was the phone that taught me to do that because the camera was so huge. Same thing with the note. Twenty ultra notre. No yeah. But i think i felt like the note. Twenty ultra was a little actually. No they're about the same size and they were a little bit. Bigger camera still came out quite a bit. Like yeah. They were about it. It was definitely at twenty twenty design. design cue that sony. Sra samsung was going with it. I was actually. I was just bringing out my s. Twenty ultra I i do think that it's it's easier to handle than before and actually give them points for that and The here's the thing. People always talk about the curve on the display. Like that curve. wasn't there it would be a fatty it. Would it would be a fatty the way that the twenty was even with that curve on the twenty So yeah. I actually applaud them. For how streamline they were able to make this not to mention the fact that the camera hump actually looks like. It's not something. They plastered on a phone. It's actually part of the design. Now it definitely. I feel like it's a very. That was a good improvement over last year's glass glass concept. Because i'm actually i had to put a glass protector on my glass. My camera back back covering here So the the question says we're talking camera. I guess maybe the better question would be is The s twenty. Obviously we knew the one hundred eight megapixel sensor was not. I think it wasn't ready back. Then maybe they needed a little bit more time. Did that did the autofocussing concerns. Go away are we are we are we basically at that level where the cameras on the twenty one Do fill that that adele. Those ultra shoes. I would say that. They're claiming to be an. I love you right now. Because you're you're setting me up for a spike So the autofocussing stuff i actually. It was the first thing that i demonstrated in my camera tests on channel is look how good the autofocus is now. Because i was recording the video so using the main sensor i was recording a video and i took out i'm the guy so i filmed a video of me making mitee for that morning and i got a little teaspoon and i took out. Some tea leaves from from bag of black tea and brought it right up to the camera. And it's a tiny little teaspoon. I brought it right up and just shoot perfect like clears day. Little like drought tea leaves. The autofocus was amazing. Now here are the couple of things that i want to point this out in the video as well but i want to point this out. The one hundred eight megapixel sensor. I think was you're right. It may not have been fully baked last year. But i think more importantly is that the laser out of focus is the edition. There's a reason why you're not seeing the one hundred eight megapixel on any other samsung device without a laser autofocus. Because i think the the note twenty ultra was a. It was definitely an indicator that they needed that young. So it's it's it's impeccable like it's great especially compared to last year. It's amazing here's the cork though. It is very much tuned for the very center of the frame. So if you keep the auto focus on you need to make sure that you are centering your subject as much as possible now granted if you are in video photo whatever the case may be you can still tap you can tap on anything and they will focus. That was always the same. Yeah with s twenty. You could tap and focus. That was not a problem. But if you really want that like autofocussing to be as good as possible you need to be in the center of your frame so if you are going to i mean maybe not even blog. But if you're gonna take pictures videos of anything else and you don't want to fit all whole lot. Just make sure your centering as much as possible. That would be what i say The other thing is since we're talking about auto focus on a focus on the ultra wide sensor I'm very happy about that. Because as as a blogger. I go ultra wide. I turn it around. And i just make sure i'm in the center like you just ballpark where you are Relatively yet But that autofocus actually makes macro kind of usable or really usable. I should say that's the way to do it. Though i mean a lot of i've seen it. On the mini mini device wave used the ultra wide as opposed to installing is supposed to just adding a sensor for the sake of adding a sensor just to say we have quad or dual triple cameras. That's the right way to do it. But the So you're saying macro photography on this is also pretty good macro video was what actually got me so. It's like gummy to raise my eyebrows a lot. Because when i was at the huntington yesterday or the other day I got like really close up to the middle and then you can see in the video that it was at that point. I realized there was there. Were like a bunch of ants inside of this flower. And i was like i would have known that if i didn't go all the way in like that. Like microscopic level almost it. It's one of those Surprisingly yest- you're right. It was the last one to do this. Wasn't it like it was a oneplus phone right where they mean. Say it's want the ultra white was one play. I think it's one thing i wanna say. It's simplisafe pro. Might have to take away the they whipped but that was because they doubled up the The alterra was also a high megapixel camera. They didn't actually go with a lower meg. Typically you see you know like the high shooter will be somewhere. Sixty four eight one hundred and eight. Whatever and then the ultra into being like a sixteen or twelve. They always going to give us more of a reasonable Megapixel count there But having auto focusing on it and having a clear. I feel like it's that that's the right move. But they also have auto focusing on the front sounds like the only companies that does that and I haven't oh what you just reminded me that. That would have been a test that i should have done for. My camera. test is Front facing video with autofocus stuff like putting putting items in front of the camera and whatnot. I totally forgot to do that. That would be that. Would be another topic talkers. Dream come true for example. Like 'cause i was. I was going to say we're going to be. We're we're we're all moving into the short form video Platforms i. i need to start. I need to start. I is i need to start pushing those diaper contents. It's just It's not something you edit out of an existing video it's actually something you create because it has to be has to be filmed in the right format if you guys are looking at the video later You can't shoot a standard sixteen by nine. It actually has to be formatted correctly in your right. Short video is picking up. Youtube is doubling down on it. Yup yup chocolate neighbor shorts stash short shorts. Whatever but yeah before we get into our final topic. Anything else that you want to. You wanted to inquire smaller. Twenty one as well So the this. That would be maybe for me that the the biggest thing because i those are the two actual also picking up. 'cause i wanted to see the high in the end. The entry level the eight seven nine eighty eight I guess the tailored experience to the to the twenty one is it. Does it feel like of it does it. Does it feel like it's marking the all the all the things that you look for from us from a galaxy that it feel like a galaxy like you know what you would expect for the new line As far as basically the the performance feature set camera experience. Maybe that would be the other thing. How would the cameras on the twenty one comparison. So i'm going to I will plug isa's video Where she did a camera test with the twenty one and she did it. In a way that was i think really useful that she g she looked at a few very specific needs and then talked about how the camera fulfill those needs. So self eve logging in social media I think that these cameras on the twenty one are properly tailored to this price point in the sense that will absolutely absolutely yet the entire device. I feel like as a taylor for sure. for sure. and i'll i'll get more into that Performance aspect as far as the cameras are concerned. I have to give samsung a lot of credit because if zoom is so important to them they made the right move with the s twenty one you get twelve twelve and then a sixty four megapixel telephoto lens and it made sense to me when i thought about for a second. Of course you would want to have more megapixels in the telephoto so that you can crop in to achieve the higher levels of zoom. I was like oh yeah that makes sense so it's three times optical which actually looks pretty great and then you go further. Because it's cropping into the sensor. I'll say oh that makes sense. So that's their way of still providing some sort of space zoom on the lower models. Now i will say this these. The twenty one is setting a precedent because it is the seven and nine phone. it is A very affordable like it's compared to last year's as twenty two hundred dollars less thank frigging god But there are things that are dialed back. That spec hungry people need to be need to keep in mind Screen is ten eighty p. There's no microsd card slot. The battery is four thousand fast charging the forty five. No longer thing and actually had a thought about this. I think the reason why they stuck with twenty five is because they knew they weren't going to include any chargers because they figure if you have previous phones or previous chargers that go up to twenty twenty five watts then you can just use those. It would be a bad idea to give it forty five and then expect you to buy a new charger so they might have thrown a bone by doing that. Which is a weird thing to say it is. It is different than that. i think. in dave's dave's video review. You also kind of touched on that a little bit where the forty five thousand really working at forty five all the time that he was speaking of forty-five assortment points so the reality of matter is i mean twenty five is about what what we were getting anyways the ten eighty p ten eighty p resolution. I think it's it's something you have to kind understand. Yes like you said tailored experienced a dina to make it fit and it does fit. And they're they're they're trying to say basically look we're trying to give you guys have a An entry level that you can consider and if you want more there are other options obviously as well There's a final point that i want to make before we get to break and into our final thing I made a point in my in my concerns video that i was concerned that samsung pulled the pro max that they put the best features in the most expensive phone. And you just had to deal with it and then pay all that money but after using the s twenty one oltra so for that camera test. I was like you know what they out. Pro maxed the pro max. Because when you look at the iphone. Twelve pro max. You get a bigger sensor sure you get stabilization on. Its sure but that's about it. You get the bigger screen you get the bigger battery and those are all things that you can sort of look at us like the more upper tier as part of it's part of the higher yet the bigger model but what samsung has provided in a phone. That has one hundred dollars less than the iphone twelve pro. Max is way more you get the you get the the telescopic lens you get A lot of features in the camera app you get The macro capability with the ultra wide Bluetooth audio recording in the pro video mode and you screened. that's way better than the iphone. Twelve pro max. Honestly and i was like only goodness like when you compare it to the iphone. Twelve pro max and you look at the philosophy of the pro max. Ultra makes sense all of a sudden it does it does and i see i see where they were going for it. I i had the initial impression as well But again for me. It'll be more of i. I want to try to see. I don't i don't really feel like the I it's hard for me to explain like you said it till you have devices to be able to check them out. Then i'll be able to kind of get the feeling out of it For me what. I felt like last year with the note. Twenty ultra is that we saw samson's to approach to approaching the the new line. I mean think they teased it with us. A little bit with the no twenty because we saw the no twenty and with the note. Twenty ultra did this year. We saw again You know and i feel. I think a high maze video was Was interesting how he titled he titled the s twenty one f e You know just to kind of it. Because there is there is some truly Elements of the twenty one. That feel like they're more of an f. e. successor kind of than the s twenty that we saw last year through little bit of a yacht that the design philosophy so Interested very very excited to see what they what they have to offer and i feel like having a lower offering if anything also kind of says look. We're looking into diversifying our portfolio. We don't wanna make everything is a thousand plus because reality is you know you have to kind of make sure. Do you have to listen to what your consumers are using so some changes in their. I'm a little bit on the found the fence on. But you know it is what it is. The twenty nine one line has was announced. So we'll have to check it out. And i'm looking forward to seeing some more content from you obviously on the as twenty one and Your your your ability of going to the some of these beautiful places to take pictures which unfortunately are not very close to be otherwise. I would have joined. You gotta look upward. The botanical gardens are in the valley. Dude like is it's it's it's just not the time of year for us here though. This is what we're having really bad with your man that's true that's true all right well grain. Yeah yeah yeah. It's supposed to rain today. Isn't it okay. Great so let some some thoughts on the s twenty one. Obviously since they sent us. This is one of those rare times what they sent us two of the three phones normally they just send the trump typically yet. That's what i'm saying. A surprisingly i think quite a bit for the us market at least for the most. Everybody got the got both of them. Which i feel like a good good way to you. Have to talk about both. You can't just keep talking about the higher end of all time because at the end of defense on their part as well. Yeah for sure for sure okay. So speaking of confidence and how we might not be getting a lot of confidence from one particular company. We're gonna get to a break and then we'll talk about a little bit. Lg rumor mill. That's occurring right now. Yeah tiki. I know you did a show last night Before we did this By by the way Plugging t k and juan carlos is show best of the week I guess best of our weakest Yeah so you to already talked about this and you know i i if this actually happens i have to have one on the show because you have to. No i was gonna say for this conversation. Honestly this is. I feel like one would have been the the He he's very much of an lg advocate he's been going through and he's been with them with the story for for some time But yes i'll you was one. Because i didn't watch the show. How doomsday was feeling He was. I think it was more so on on. I would probably say it's on. You know nothing set in stone. Nothing's actually kind of officially made in And i felt like his approach. Would i where. I initially thought he was going to come in with You know like it was kind of like it's done it's down. It's electric move on kind of it was more into makes sense for them to send out these type notes. These type of Both type of internal memos because the league were only information is based on internal memos. Right none of this was public announcement by by lg but he was more so That that announcement that was made. And i think there was an article. Also that was posted somewhere ahead. That was also redacted But his view is look. It would make make sense for you jump into that. I i think we should. We're forgetting to we're forgetting to Explain to compensate. Yeah we jumped right in like okay jones right in because i think this this is the feeling that a lot of us are having like. Oh god no please no which is with its understanding as it might be as understandable as it might be What we're talking about right now is that. Lg might be like. According to as according to some internal memos lg seems to be toying around with the idea of actually exiting the smartphone business now that is a doomsday phrase. Okay let me say. Let me say right now that just because lg might not have a strong foothold in the smartphone business from a first party standpoint. It doesn't mean they're gonna stop making smartphones altogether so the og brandon might still be around. It's just that the odium manufacturing of the actual devices might be taken care of by somebody else but the dna of what lg is might still stick around. Let me give you a quick example. As to why. I'm optimistic that even if the sale happens that will still have g. in the market as like not really a major player. We're not too sure how much that might be. But we'll still have them around. I present to you. Exhibit a olympus. I was so mad when this happened. I bought an olympic camera at the end of twenty nineteen and in early twenty twenty. Because i found out that it is such a great camera system for the type of film that i do not more than three months later olympics announced they were selling the division to j. Ip who are famously. The company that bought vile from sony. And we all know what happened to video. So i mean it's still around kind of you so basically now it's now it's not olympic camera. It's called oem digital solutions. I guess that's why it's actually called now. Oem digital solutions Through j ip did that they are still looking to be part of the camera business. They will still innovate on what olympic started. I am hoping with all of my heart that. That's what happens if this lg if this sale of the smartphone market happens that what whoever into buying it. will still continue on the geez vs the velvets. The explorer program things in some fashion. Because we have seen a resurgence from companies like moto for example They have gone through a few different odium. Changes as well Oh yeah so. We have seen that even getting bought and sold by gu. Yes so back to why yours. Ads went to try. Set the stage for apps absolutely in in some of the stuff. That's coming out to some of the items or discussions are going around on Possible selling a partial or even full of the mobile the mobile. I mean there's an that's the thing about is. Nothing is very crystal clear as to what direction they're thinking about. What could they do what they do. The end of the day when you look at it to the reality of the matter is. Lg has done a lot in the in the mobile space for quite some time did experimental. They have new things in the market. That offer us the opportunity to actually enjoy devices. That are quite honestly very unique. You know for me. It's not that it's my job. I don t k with the t phone it's more. It's more about those types of texts that i feel like Lg did I remember our our one time. Where you and i so we met. I don't know if you remember this. Nwc in barcelona. We ran into each other. We're right at I forgot what the name of that venues at the top of the hill. erik griffin. Was there you were there. And you were talking to It was right before the show and the us during the ldp defy g wasn't that the olympic area was not the. I want to say that it was. It was extremely hard to find. I'll just say that are almost no ten. I was gonna say every cab. I talked to. They're like no savvy. I'm like okay. i don't know what to say. This is what it says. Google maps as here. My my internet was really really so it was really frustrating. I was by myself. I didn't have any access to anything in my spanish. Brantley was in the wrong One continent spanish but That was a time that i felt like. Lg we like. I got to see the entire announcement of algae's lineup right. I see all of the. Lg france all detachments Alda the quirky things that never made it the glasses that nobody ever saw again The three the three sixty cameras so to meet. I've i've been a big fan of theirs. The g. four was always a big thing as well with design and the cameras that we got there. Oh my god now and then if he series as you know last year about roughly this time last year little you know few weeks later you and were hanging out at a At a press conference of war. We're talking about you know how the new l. d. sixty is going to come back and go back into being in stores. So whatever approach l. the sites to do a be it a downsizing or rebranding or reselling odiham type of an experience I really wanna see a continuation of this conversation l. d. a company. Obviously as a whole is not in the same position at lg mobilised lg's quite successful over a year over year are display manufacturing. The whole bunch of different Other brands that were obviously very well or do doing very well But yeah the short. The conversation at the end of the day. I think once approach was more nothing set in stone. Whatever they decide to do his hope is mostly the that they are able to convey that message to the consumer Better advertising better brand awareness in the market I think we were both Joking about the whole of they wanted. Their ads was showcasing the feature. How google allow you to take a selfie the camera on algae but you would never have known that it was an algae it was it was just one of those was one of those things but Where where do you think. It started to go. South and again. I'm trying my best not to make this doomsday conversation. Because it but we have to ask why. Why would this contemplation even start. I feel like there's okay. So i think the day at that time we're carrier stopped carrying them in the store. That was a big turning point for them That was the same situation that happened to. Htc prior years before then because they were the same situation as to see was a big brand it was everybody was carrying them. And then suddenly you couldn't find hcc in the store in the reality of the matter. Carriers have a certain level of a brand awareness if they carry you. If you're in a store where people go in to check you out best. Buy t mobile verizon. All the different carries are you talking about if you if consumers can't go in there and see a hand as hands at their to try it out to see what it feels like. They're not going to be able to research because most of them will not go online and try to find a brand as you've never heard of before not to say that. Lg is that. But i mean it's as if it's not their that already started kind of eroding the conversation a little bit so they took some time and i thought that twenty twenty was a good was the comeback year because start to perform better. They're up to about thirteen percent in the us market of all android devices. So that's actually not bad if you think about where they are But he was. I think that was the turning point when carriers decided that they weren't selling enough so that like shortly before the iran deal around the time But they're back now. Yeah i mean. I i almost forgot about the htc of it all because you just brought up and thinking. Oh my goodness like. That is true. Because i wanted to get come into this conversation like all of you out there who might be saying like. Oh yeah you know no one cares about them anymore. You put some respect on algae's named like. Lg used the pioneer of all of these phones. So wgn were the first ones to come out with quality displays. They were the first ones to come out with curved phones they were the first ones to back quad. Dak audio experience yes. They introduced a new form factor with the wing last year. And you know remember. The flex guess ought experiment. But even before that you know like we had lg chocolate. The chocolate is still one of those beloved funds. That people will think of anybody out there who was born after one thousand nine hundred five. You don't even know like you don't even know you didn't grow up with these with these chocolates with these funds and and i remember. Lg devices used to be the envy of a lot of people here in the us because a lot of their like more interesting devices would only come out in korea in yet in the asian market. already had a winglike phone back when dumb phones were all what were all that we had. Oh that's right. That's right fisher. Showed it. I think it was as it was at a screen would flip and reveal the the key that the keeping the keep at. Yeah so it's not. It's not like it's not like a super new concept the wing Because algeria did it in some fashion back then but yeah it's i look back on it and even though i wasn't like a huge. Lg user back in those particular days. It was definitely like a company that shaped a lot of what my early career had. So i'll mandy the g. g. three i remember was like this is a revolutionary phone. It's the first phone to have quite hd resolution as the first phone to have a wide angle camera And it was it was such a. It was such a great time for el g. then g. four came out and it was like like leatherback and the curve and all that and it was just like they're all these memories that came flooding into my brain once. Yeah when you say a specific. Lg that unique little experiment that they were trying to do. That's a cool factor in there. Like i said the g. five of the modular expansions there The v. sixty with that little the v six v twenty with the little display that pom-poms display at the top. You know that whole experience. I felt like they. They kept trying to keep pushing. And i like twenty. Twenty was a good year for them. This is why. I'm surprised as to like why. Why are they doing it. But i guess it would make sense. It would behoove them for them to be prepared. You don't want to basically be blindsided by something that you know. The writing is on the wall. We see how things are going Unless there's a massive change and the explorer program thus actually happened to be that that massive change which again there was the other surprise. It was a week after. We all got super hyped up with the explorer program at the end of there're ics announcement would that rollable found that they showed him like at but we just saw the explorer program. There's a theory there is a heart. There's hardware it works. Yeah and then. They have ideas That i don't wanna put out there. Which is why. Here's another layer to it. I don't. I'm trying to remember where i saw this It might have been a tweet. I don't even remember but someone was. Someone was speculating. And all of this is speculation. On of this is based on true fact only fact that absolutely the only factor that occurred is that a memo was put out that allegedly a lot of the mobile division might be spread out to other divisions now so now what the memo basically set so. There's all this speculation that yeah. They're going to exit the smartphone business altogether. I don't think it'll be altogether. I think someone was speculating that they're going to offload the mid to lower range. Portion and only carlos was saying it was Was perfect yeah. Yeah i i would be okay with that. Because as long as they're able to still have an identity in the smartphone game. I think that there's still room for them to be there. It's just that you gotta give you gotta give. Lg some credit in the sense that on the one hand hec. They had to exit because all they had were smartphones. The they were starting to get a little bit more Nuanced with They're different tag offerings with like. Acc five and stuff like that. So that was nice but they put all their. They put all their eggs in the smartphone basket and it wasn't working out for them and then they had to exit. They're still kind of around. But it's definitely not the way you used to be. Lg on the other hand has so many divisions they have home appliances home entertainment. They have laptops. They have so many things that keep a lot of their company afloat that it almost makes sense to me that if smartphone isn't working than they got downsize it because everything else requires that attention. Yeah it it's the. It's i think it's the focus i think it's like i said it was the brand awareness that i need. It felt like they they needed probably a little bit more work on. And i and i said this to my to carl's last night. I said look my hope. Is that if they're able to downsize. And maybe if they are able to bring it down to more of a core core team of people that they felt like needed to be there to continue the conversation that they focus on making making Their awareness their brand awareness was one of their goals not necessarily just batter better ads but more awareness of the features that distinguish you know like a feature of a quad on a v. Sixty is such a big factor that if you know you haven't listened to music till you've listened to music on a v sixteen me is like you know they can drive these cans. This is the other that they could drive high impedance cans like these straight outta the phone without anything else. It's that powerful device and if you truly love your ears and you want to be able to have versatility with camera. Experience manual audio all the features. The visa is a very powerful device and it still is considerable. Power is considered a very powerful. Because it's running the eight sixty five s five g the large display the massive five thousand olympia battery all things like this is why i was surprised but we'll have to see yet downsizing whatever decision they go with since it's not one hundred percent either way My hope is that the you know dave. They've they take care of their loyalists because there's a big following as well. They're not you know they do have a lot of people care. Yeah i was going to say it. Does it feels like it's it. May just be one but i i and i myself. I'm sure as yourself you know anybody that's ever used tech realizes at the l. contribution and it isn't the end. It's it's more of a you know what's come what's to come and this is just highlighting the fact that there could be some changes. Yeah i did. There are a couple of last like little aspects that i wanted to just sort of put out there first thing being when we talk about the cameras. Yes they did pioneer A wide angle camera manual settings in in in a phone Yeah i think back to that. The v twenty. I was twenty. Wasn't that was all metal phone and like woo removable. Back that was there was a last Removable mel back on the back. Yeah yeah the removal better. So the one thing that. I'll say i don't know what your reaction would be to this. I think the one thing we should have done when it comes to their cameras is partner up with an imaging company They should have done that. Let me sony has his ice Let's see samsung has been doing their own thing and to samsung's credit league while you why why we is likely yes. That's true Nokia has as well right The reason why samsung kind of gets a pass here is because people forget that samsung used to develop cameras. The houston make full on cameras. Used to. That's a big used to like asterisk. You have the experience you know. They had an imaging department at one point. But i think. Lg would have been it would have been. Dopey lg like partnered up with like. I don't know a pass on a you know like Or with like a cannon or an icon. I know that the or not. I know that they're not really itching for a smartphone partner or anything. But i'm just saying you know this is this is just putting the white fs out there. but yeah like that's that's one thing here's the here's the question though that we can use to round out the conversation let's say. Lg does give up the mid to lower range stuff. Do you think this series and stuff. Yes the case series is all my god quick story. I remember hating. Lg for show because Back when i was an android authority we wanted to cover as many phones as possible. Obviously and i think we at e it might have been eva eva that. Lg didn't have a flagship to provide. They had all their case to provide. Though and for some reason we thought it would be a good idea to do a video on each and every k device dad like five and i was i remember being so pissed that entire show because those they bring they bring the bring all of their case series to see as it. You won't see it at their booth or if they'll sit somewhere on the side but showstoppers i think no pet comp It's either showstopper. Pep the always have a booth with all of their cases yet um that anyway if they were to give up the case and whatnot Do you think that the. Let's let's the word innovations. Let's use the quirky. Let's us some corky terms Dual screen wing Corky designs like the velvet. Stuff like that. Do you think that that will be enough to keep them afloat. Do you think that's enough to actually get the fans back on their side if they can focus on that so you're thinking about that they would they would offload the case series style and keep the velvet and that would be the line essentially the high end stuff keep innovating. Keep the explorer program for example. I feel like it would for sure what what success. So what what we know from twenty twenty because we have to use obviously how the performances b- going. The case series was the number one android on boxed phone over christmas. As a device that features five g it is actually by far the one of their better performers in two thousand twenty v. c. was definitely a good performer as well as a smartphone because that was the biggest there. That's the most you know. All the other devices they released were all kind of for. Specs is lower in certain respects I think the velvet is definitely getting be the designed to go forward. And i think people will appreciate the velvet more because it does look very nice like aesthetically store. You go in and start looking at devices. The velvet will stand out to you faster than the v series and faster than the case series. So if they're able to keep the relationship if they're able to keep working on improving and it seems like they are loving the dual screen if you've noticed. We had like four dual screen devices between the v. Fifty the eight x and the v. Sixty and the end the velvet that all supports dual screen It wouldn't it. Wouldn't i don't think that their story would be aurora. I think that would be a good way for them to keep them going as an option in the us market or even international but it it. It's still going to be a challenge. Because they're they're not really representing as much in other nash and other market in europe. They're not really they're a lot like an. The wing was the only dual display because of the swivel option. That's going into two to europe. The velvet and the v. Sixty didn't make it. Yeah yeah it's one of those. Lg has been like regardless of how you might feel as a consumer Like going into how. Lg has been in the market. I will say from the creator standpoint. Lg has been one of the best partners has been one of the best people to work with in this industry. We've had such great times with them and They've always been very forthcoming about Each release and like we we we. We liked working with them and back when the phones were. Let's say even probably more exciting to consumers like they did a good job with a lot of their marketing. Because i remember the gp six or five. Mike the five Whichever the modular was the five five i was. I was the one you and i were hanging out with. That was that was that one. And then months later i They teamed up with the la dodgers to show the three sixty camp. And i was like this is the kind of stuff you need to do. And i i i. I'm so. I use the word flabbergasted. I'm always so surprised that company like lg with how much power they have in their home base of korea that they don't work with more entertainment. People in korea. Samsung even has beauty s on on. They have them on retainer. For god's sake let's say it feels like if there's a release simpson's like role in the as dynamic goforth one did mention though internationally. L. d. does have a little bit more partnership which supports like specifically the on on Soccer football as actually called Fight me on that one Sorry The people are going to start coming up on my tweet now. So no the They have more presence. It's football might be if you grew up in the us it's called football. You kick it with your food. It's a football No they have more of a presence. If you watch international soccer on like that you'll notice l. d. doing more on the advertising any advertising team but we need more like you said like with elliot dodgers like more relevant things like that people can relate to my hope like i said if they do shrink down if they do they do basically bring more of a core team that won the gold team's main One of their main goals in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two. Whichever whenever happens that that happens is brand awareness. We need more brand awareness of elgin. What makes an lg and lg. Yeah that's what i rather with. I think that's a perfect way to end this conversation regarding g Here's to hoping man like if lg does offload even some of their of their division. Hopefully the we still have. Lg as competition is everything in this absolutely this market. No matter how much we might love Other devices like the twenty one or the iphones of the world. We need to have the other things so that more ideas or part of the marketplace exactly very important All right so. Tk thank you again for being on as always great discussions my pleasure. Thank you I do want to make sure that everybody knows. Tk has two shows every on top of his youtube channel. He has two shows every week. Thursday nights at least tentatively for now is called best of our week. And that is with juan carlos who of course is an old friend of the pocket now. the weekly And then on saturdays. You are doing saturday mornings with tag with tech. Yeah i i might as well start syndicating myself doing it. Basically start showing no one and i have tons of fun and we were happy also. Of course. we're having you on. I think it the episode for a couple of weeks ago. That was a nice little less surprised. Jump in there you know dodged just jumps in with a nice little you know. He's having a little sippy just enjoying his time. And it aggressive. Get drunk but like i was having a drink at the time. So i i was becoming progressively more like energetic. You could definitely see yes. He was ever the braver. Things will become easier. We could have got so much you know. Some peace built right there but Yeah between two the two livestreams and the two channels. I think i'm keeping myself busy. And in every once in a while you'll see my you'll see me pop my head up night over at xda for a key feature here and there but Yeah no i keep myself busy. Yeah so keep up with everything that he is doing using all of the links that are going to be in the show notes and as far as pocket now and myself are concerned you can find those links as well they are but i'll go through them in the outros starting now make sure to follow. Tk across all of his links that are found in the show notes as for myself. You can follow me on all social media at jv. tek t. because i'm jv. I love tech. And i love to drink me some tea from there. 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Deborah Estrin on Small Data

Good Code

22:34 min | 2 years ago

Deborah Estrin on Small Data

"You might have a locally system with native plants and animals flora and fauna. And when you have invasive species, that sometimes eat up all the nutrients and take up all the water and crowd out, and you end up with less ecological diversity. And I feel the same way about technology. Every day, we check our emails. We use maps, owner phones. We might order food, and shove online or check into our local gym in up and each and every one of these actions leave traces that gave away a lot of information about our lives kinda creepy if we think about it in terms of privacy, our location, data alone can often help identify. But what if we could use these data, but good to improve our health. That's what we're talking about today. Welcome to good code a weekly podcast on ethics in our digital world. My name is she in Lebanon, and I'm your host. And yes, I'm still French, our guest today is Deborah estrin. You probably heard of her last year, when she won the so called genius grant from the MacArthur foundation. She's an associate dean and professor of computer science at Cornell tech, and she's best known for her work on wait for it smoke. Oh, data we sat with her at Cornell tech on Roosevelt island last November. What I mean by small data is really small and data and really any bulls one data and that just means that the relevance of data about an individual over time, potentially different data of different types, and from many different sources is as interesting, not instead of large end data. So when people were for it to big data. They usually mean data from many individuals and data from many individuals is very important. It is a big deal. It is hyped, but it's deserving of hype. I do think there is some balance of attention. That would be healthy this healthy by also paying attention to data about an individual over time. And what can you learn for that individual? So what is it concretely? Okay. Certainly slow. Small data is the collection of data that I generate in the world, some of which are really digital traces digital breadcrumbs. Sometimes people referred to them a for it to them as digital exhaust. It has all kinds of useful terms that when you go online to search the history of your search terms when you write Email or slack messages or text messages, the nature of the language you use whether it's sentiment analysis to the extent of your vocabulary to grammatical complexity when you walk around in the world, go to work spend time on weekends. It's where you spend time how much time you spend out of the house, how that diurnal pattern shifts over time, how much sleep you get when you sleep, the quality of that sleep. If you have a bedside or a wearable, that helps understand the quality of that sleep, everything from the steps we take to the words we use to the questions. We asked to the social interactions, we have to the money we spend to the food. We buy. So it's all the traces will leave on the internet, the digital platforms that we on our Mobile's through our wearables through our Alexis. Yes. The, the way we walk in whether or not we're outside a lot or that entails. We're using certain apps. Right. Not everyone. Not really. I mean that used to be the case, but your smartphone, I do, do you know anyone who doesn't have a smartphone out, really not even my parents? Okay. Do you use Google maps? I do. Okay. So most people because it's tremendously convenient use location services. You can immediately have to thoughts and too much nor actions. Some people only have one, which might have to do with concern about that being something that is just then generally known in public and whether you call it privacy civil liberty, whether you call it a key to democracy. Many people will speak at our correct. I believe in the importance of protecting our ability to be in the world act in the world meet in the world, convene in a way, that is known to us in those with whom we choose to share it and not to others at the same time, if you're trying to understand whether a treatment for lower back pain, or rheumatoid arthritis or MS, or depression is. Actually effective for you. Whether you're trying to titrate that medication or the physical therapy and find out if something is working, there's no better signal for that than how you are in the world, because it's very hard for an individual to tell whether they're feeling ten percent better. And yet, that's a very important signal for a kind of therapy, or regimen. That's really going to be the right. One for you over time. If there was one source of information that people could use to help really provide the right kind of feedback around a whole range of behaviors and health related things that are relevant to them, it would be that location trace, if there's one source of information that I'm most concerned about people, not having general control over who gets access to that information if that location, trace these digital bread. Crimea said they could give you two sentiments they have utility and they have problematic use. We should now have some choice in how we design the uses of these technologies in the level of sharing of the underlying data. And I think the community is starting to address designing the underlying systems in designing the applications and very importantly, designing God forbid, the regulation, and the law, that's needed because none of this is doable, just with technology. Of course, we need law. You can't install apps on your phone that listened to your phone calls. Why don't we have those same laws in terms of recording location? There are lots of things that concern me in the world right now. This is one of them, I want to allow people to get access to the best form of preventative health and healthcare. Which in this day and age means healthcare, that is fitting to them, and that is about their family history, their life history. And at the same time to do it in such a way and build the systems and practices in regulations that have Stu that in a way that protects civil liberties. When I turn on my location Trat by location services in order to use a map to navigate. Why do I have to agree that my location trace is going to be used for other things as well? The once I share it beyond that transaction in, if I do that I should further. No, give me the option to pay some micro sent in order to not be advertised to our model. Many apps have a Freeman right now their problems as well with always having to pay for privacy, but we can't even pay for privacy. Can we build even in this building? We have some experimental software in place that even with location service. We have find grain location services throughout the building that you could use it for services that are useful to you, or a little lunch message that goes out when you're down in the cafe at a certain time of day when you're happy for people to find you. Whatever these little appetizer, but you should be able to do that without saying, okay the campus. My employer contract me at all times. So we also were exploring how do you build systems that have finer granularity of control and that data that's collected is used in the context of the specific transaction. You're trying to do that specific context, not more generally, because in fact, we could design our systems that way five years ago, even startups needed to have a story that they were generating data that they could leverage sort of the standard was this kind of two faced market. I give you something that grabs you in and I- monetize the data you generate right by now. It's like tried in an old story it wasn't at one time. It was like. This is the way I'd only we need to do that anymore. I think we can move on from that in terms of building useful apps services and businesses how just to get back to health from in mobile yards. Disciplinary health, those data seem are seemingly, an interesting at how can make can you give us just a concrete example of how they can shed light on your health. So first of all, they're just clinical care, we don't have formula by which to say exactly what medication and at which dose, are you going to respond well to antidepressant, and that is a long way off. It isn't impure ago process, they start you off at a dose. It's relatively conservative. It's not instantaneous that process doesn't have a Blad tasked or blood pressure, tasked or something that objectively measures and that's true for pain. So we need something to help us close. The feedback loop encourage the clinician and give them the right signal as this working encourage the individual to see that even if they can't perceive that their ten percent unless pain they can see that they're actually doing better in their can encourage them to proceed, and then also to contribute to the research of what actually works in for who would win because not everything works, the same individual so pain depression, depression, in hostage suicide, I guess I know that some companies are using AI to work on that as a offering that small data could be used for you. Nothing that I mentioned to you was diagnostic. It's not a coincidence in order to do something diagnostic, you need. Big data suicide prevention is a little bit of a diagnostic now foreign individual who has had been doing this for a while and has had a severe depression in not for that individual detecting that they've relapsed. Or somebody perhaps has been diagnosed as BI polar and maybe detecting, they're entering. A depressive episode that to me is much closer at hand in the small Batur more relevant rather than first time, onset of psychosis, or, or suicide prevention, which I think, is more of a, a big data question. And yes, has all the two edges has the two edges of that same sort, people that could be a saved in and helped through that crisis. And yet, the concern that if something is diagnostic, it can be used in all of your interactions, outside of the context in which you thought you were having that interaction. And so it's, it's really what's happening outside of the doctor's office in will. It's measuring your life eight years. Although when you go and see a doctor, and you come back in this model of incremental care, they ask you. How have you been are you feeling better? Maybe you'll fill out some history of how you were over. So in some sense, it has been brought in is a part of clinical care, although it's usually based on retrospective self report, the date. Aren't being generated in the doctor's office? But these data will come into the doctor's office or they'll never be part of clinical picture in self report is very subjective. And subjective is important. Somebody's perception is important. I just it's not a Sieff isn't even for that individual because it might be so dominated by how they felt yesterday as opposed to how they felt two weeks ago, and then it gives the wrong signal and they won't get as good of care. So I, I read that the small data lab here at grant you where you're trying to come up with big insights with small data, and is a some talk title. What are those figures is they'll always find the individual? They're all the things that we just talked about are there, some, yes. So big also. They're big insights for that individual on for treating people because individuals in the end our what we treat. Now over time, we will gain insights about better additional courses of treatment, or things to be things to be. Area for the ride secrets of treatments because we'll learn we'll do the larger big end data across the small end at just gonna ask you about you're talking about improving the quality of life of people basically, but one person at a time be about pain, or chronic disease, or what about communities that might not have access to mobile technology because it's all about technologies. I'm thinking, not just poor communities may be, but also the elderly at this point, the biggest digital divide divide eight not gender and not even let's, let's stay in the US for now, at only because I know the US best smartphones are pretty much pervasive aside from age. Whereas when we started doing this stuff, which was more than over a decade ago, then it was valid question to say, most people only have text messaging, it was a valid question, but in retrospect misguided since by the time. Would have worked out the techniques. So many more people had had smartphones. And while is still in use nobody for the most part, just text messaging, so I don't think that the digital divide question is relevant with respect to lower resource communities and what about elderly care Kozara Seren with all of the thing entirely van Thailand Thailand, Harley? And so, for the most part, I think the better approach there is to develop tools for caregivers the formal caregivers and the informal caregivers as in the family members to me, your, your work is about empowerment about turning our addictions, basically, to digital technologies into a positive force could then the dependence, I, I use the word addiction carefully. There are things that are really addictions. And we are dealing with a lot of them in our society now, but I think it's a kind of a dependence, but go now you get your weekly report of your screen us, and I find that really interesting. I think we'll all concerned Nate might become. We might realize ten years from now. As an addiction, and there was an addiction crisis. Yes. Yes. My question is, do you think your work could also help curb the addiction as well as you're using it could allow curb this shirt the word addiction has particular meanings to it? It tackle the probably the closest thing would be the endorphin hit of that checking that checking process of the screen, but there are many other sources of digital traces that don't aren't necessarily like Google maps is not an addiction issue. That's all I was trying to differentiate. But so we have done some work. I've had behavioral economists post doc, in my lap of the past couple of years, Michael, Sobolev, and one of the things that he ended a PHD student now Fabien, okay, did was to look at digital vibrations that are forms of a form of feedback, you set a goal for yourself of how frequently you wanna check her how much you want to check those social feeds, and it just gives you a, a mild, kind of vibrating. Reminder, as you exceed that level in the same way that you said, you started looking at your weekly screens. It helps you be more self-aware might help you set some goals, and planning notions for the week ahead. Then these more real time things can help you be mindful dislike, we, we noticed how much of our battery, we've depleted during the course of the day, sort of how much of our quota of that distracted time we've spent there are very important ways that individuals behaviors that they aspire to how do we stab with those behaviors we aspire to its initially a struggle. So how do we initially cut it whether it is sugar. Okay. Or whether it is emailer, Facebook. Checking the technologists can help us do that says my ass ration-. This is hi. Wanna try to manage it. Check my Facebook feed, this much less often, and slowly get to a point where I'm overall healthier, in the place where I wanna be. And so then what about the people that might really want to take that path really wanna disconnect decrease their screen time their use of, of MO. And even try to find ways to clutter the space and make noise so that there, the be followed. I'm thinking of escape Shen down. So what about these people may be? We can thing that they will be more and more of them in a world where trying to make sense of how her dealing with Belgian so worried about some of the word about that. How will they be treated for their pain in there? So first of all, that's great second of all when you do that. The last thing I'm worried about is that you're making it harder to get some of these signals back. There are ways to think about somebody knowingly compensating. Right. If you're in a period of time of trying to figure something out right there are ways of when you office gate to retain how your office skating so that maybe you are able to get back some signal from that office, skated signal. So all very interesting. I only wish that, that was a big enough challenge for us to actually. Yeah. Take on. You receive the very famous. I know the MacArthur foundation doesn't wanna call genius 'cause they discussed the, the word genius itself out, you just got this really great grand that basically, gives you money over five years to do whatever you want with it, naturally attached. No requests. Can I just ask you, if you have any idea of what you will want to explore with it where you wanna use that I don't know, yet I still have surprised when somebody says it, and this is an incredible gift about things that I can now plan to do. And I don't know what they are in any specific. I do believe in mental accounting in this context. Meaning that this is a this isn't just money that goes in with other money. This is special money that for me is a gift and they and license and a commitment to do something that has a public good notion with it of something, I wouldn't do otherwise and something that, of course, it makes sense for me to do relative to somebody else. So I'm not going to go off. Often do something that, that is completely out of my wheelhouse, because that wouldn't be very good use of the of the money for the world. Many things we've talked about interest may from these data architectures that allow for a more procreate use over time and contextual of data things around the aging, things around the food system and giving myself time to figure out what that will be I like to ask my guests if they're optimistic about technology really improving in your case, I will take quality of life, which is what you're working on most naggus, most people, I have are very optimistic because they wouldn't be that feeling the word the word optimistic is a predictive term and, you know, my -bility to believe that good will happen. That's too hard. If he asked me for years ago, I would've just said, yes, my ability to have faith in my belly predict what the world will choose to do that rug pulled out from under me. I can't so I am determined to try to do good in the world. I'm not pessimistic. I'm not beaten back by, but I no longer have the arrogance of Optimus, you know, the last few years have made me far more. Humble than optimist politically, the political buffet of the world. Yeah. The state of the body. And if there was one thing you could change a now be my last question in the way we interact with technology or the way we think about technology, or the way we approach new to colleges be people like you who do research, or the people who built it or the people who use it consume it if there was one thing you could change. What would that be? I wish there were more diversity on not only diversity of individuals around but diversity of objectives and diversity of ways of creating technologies, the dominance of, of scaling, and that everything that succeeds in the world has to be at large scale when it comes to technology, I find very unfortunate. There are so many niche specialized tools and applications that could be self sustaining, but can't survive. I. I think of it a little bit like the health of ecosystems you might have a locally consistent with native plants and animals flora and fauna. And when you have invasive species, that sometimes eat up all the nutrients and take up all the water in crowd out, and you end up with less ecological diversity, and I feel the same way about technology that I would like to see more diversity and smaller scale tools, and services in things that are more niche oriented, and I worry that the way our technology market in the dominance of big tax crowds that out. Okay. Deborah estrin thinking so much on you probably I'm probably the only one you brought to tears. Until now. It's we always need a I thank you so much. That was good code. This podcast is produced posted an edited by yours truly in collaboration with Cornell tax digital life initiative. They be dot tree is our mix engineer. So he saw her neck is on music composer. Thanks for listening. And if you liked it take a minute to tell a friend, perhaps, the one who's obsessed with black mirror, and all the ways in which -nology could go wrong. I'm sure they'll like it. And as you come back next week.

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144: Google helps the FBI, Twitter Jacks hijack, and car data woes

Smashing Security

51:34 min | 1 year ago

144: Google helps the FBI, Twitter Jacks hijack, and car data woes

"The won jumped out over the counter pulled a handgun out of a plastic bag and told the tellers to billet with money. Why was that done in a plastic bag because you don't walk around town crew who ramblers put them in their trousers in america. What do people walk around with like scenes breeze bags well with guns in the pennsylvania district around here. We have white trace this handgun. This duchy originals the smashing security episode one hundred and forty four google helps the f._b._i. Twitter jack's hijack and card data woes with carol -tario and grand clue lay. Hello hello and welcome to smashing security upset one hundred forty four. My name is graham unclearly carol -tario we are joined this week by sub crime journalist and podcast geoff white. Hello dare. I say friend host you said it now and utility unilaterally so there we are gonna look the small amount ontai if i say now. It's wonderful that you're with us because you're working on all sources things the moment. Aren't you jeff well. Yes i am to my cost so just finish the first second draft. I'm in the middle of my book on cybercrime which is going to be coming out. Uh next year next spring. Yes i've had a tiny sneaky and it's good listeners needs good. Actually you've gone exclusive on your hands because i can exclusively reveal the title title who yes please which so far i haven't done because i wasn't sure what is going to be having little festival. Can we do oh. We can do that with audio magic. Okay please replace. That was actual not that i'm demanding. The book is going to be called crime dot com. That's a great name. It's good isn't it. I'm dot dot com snappy. I thought memorable to ask obvious question jiafu. Yes have reg the debate you know because my some other bogus had it for fifteen years and it's nothing with it. So why don't you register crime dot com dot com. They've also got that have been and this group. I'm sorry crime dot com dot com dot com. Do i have every permutation of could i put the dot at the beginning of have calmed dot dot com. No i've tried them. All don't have the website is not. Should i change. It's not too late yeah stick with it do need eight though i need the subtitle so they all wipe all books now be com dot com slash s. the whole thing why here read it now you know the secrets quits the colorado journey into the underbelly of cybercrime. I like that that's pretty good about your investigations right into his seeing on the lamp post of cyber both excellent suggestions and forgive me. If i don't take either ah okay perfect grow. What do we got coming up this week from the shake hands up for this week sponsors sponsors last past and detect defy their support helps us. Give you this show for free on today's show. Graham tells us how google help the f._b._i. With the bank robbery we'll investigating bank robbery. I assuming not executing gives us the inside scoop on the hack targeting twitter c._e._o. Jack dorsey and if you you have ever driven a smart car you may want to hear what i found out all this and more coming up on this killer episode of smashing security excellent now fellows fellows but way it's it's been. It's been pointed out to me that i have being opening my section. The show by san chaps and i don't want to point anything is as to who pointed out to me that may not be completely accurate gender bias but i think a a number of people pointed to someone going touch listener got in touch about here and also a co host and so radically ironically listener who got in touch with with grandma about this not even forty eight hours before after one hundred forty three episodes. I decided to go why every time right so thank you very much so fellows fellows. I've got a question for you. A where were you on saturday the thirteenth of october twenty seventeen eighteen. Oh i don't know let me narrow it down a little not not anywhere near the story about tell you the light green zip up who did check it jeff. I can't do oklahoma's disgust in crow like closed. All of you got blue jeans black shoes news. Yeah sunglasses gloves yup. Do you own a hoodie wearing one right. Now you between thirty eight and forty eight years of age steady. Are you five foot six to five foot eight tool unshaven and maybe for the sake build no. That's definitely not the reason why i'm asking. Is that the f._b._i. At trying to identify a couple of chaps who walked into the great midwest bank in hartland wisconsin it was a two minutes after nine in the morning they were the first customers of the day inside inside the bank sheila still talking to barbara better weekend and while one man distracted the tellers behind the counter the other one jumped towel over the counter pulled a handgun out of a plastic bag and told the tellers to fill it with money. Why was done in a plastic bag because you don't walk around. I'm town crew. Put them in their trousers in america. What do people walk around with like things breeze bags with guns in the mytalk. It depends on your district round here. We have white tros. This is gonna this is a duchy originals anyway. They left the back with a top of opening the bank just seven minutes later carrying a bag full of cash three draws from the volt and the teller station and the keys to the bank boot and of course the police investigated and the bank had security cameras but despite the footage being shed of local media no leads have emerged in all the month sense and they even had had no witness account so this bank is part of a <hes> sort of moon or whatever they call them in the american a whole bunch of stores around of great big car park and and there was a shopping plaza few like and there was no witness account of a worker at a nearby store just a couple of doors down who the previous day had had a strange interaction interaction with a man who had walked into the design exchange stole in the same line exchange carrying his weight choice bar. I walked into his own exchange and he seemed confused. It's like where am i because he seemed puzzled. As to why it was full of home decoration products rav cain bank and and then he's carpet when someone approached him asking if you need help so one theory is that maybe he thought he was going to the bank to stake it out and in fact in the storm going on here what's going on. Why am i know i hate to be intellectually snobbish here but <hes> that makes me question his intellect if he walked in to a design exchange door i went. Why is this not a bank before he actually walked in like surely the big sign on the outside would have told them and the the pictures of lamps clocks and whatever else happens twenty one people do walking through the wrong door sometimes and also by pine for the days when banks woah mahogany and intimidation now you go in. They do look a bit like down. There was no. There's no greeting you have. It has an idea what can we do for you and it's like i'd like a latter. I don't blame him. I could walk into a home bond whatever and getting my cash into an antique draw something thinking it was anyway. Yes so i'm with himself. So the cops investigations going nowhere right. They haven't really worked out who these two guys are so the cops used a rubber inventive method to try and locate the suspected roberts now worldwide android has around eighty five percent of the smartphone market and if you think about it yes i if you just look at the states android has about sixty fifty percent share but worldwide eighty five percent so if you think that many many people particularly of rubbing bank sort of age <hes> right proably carry a phone around with them and many people will not have changed their standard google settings and so they will have enabled or left an old old google location services and google location services basically fairly regularly polling your device keeping track of where you are in the world so that you can share that information with your buddies. If you wish to right right well it's been empties for purposes as well so what the cops think is if we can serve google with a search warrant we can ask for data that had identify any android usa who's been sending that data within one hundred foot radius use of the bank during the thirty minute window when the robbery took place and they're thinking this a chance we might identify either these guys or people who will have seen seen them. I don't know if i like this. Dragnet is coming up yeah just my issue. Here's you've got all these people who have nothing to do with the robbery whose is information are being handed over to wisconsin police extraordinary thing as at least i found extraordinary. This is apparently completely not legal for the police to do now. Police would have to come up with some really convincing evidence if they had a suspect in mind if they had a person of interest and they thought we need to investigate them and we need to go to a judge whatever you'd have have to put together some fairly compelling evidence to say this is why we need to do a search warrant on this particular individual and grab their data from the technology company but if they do a rav all the wider dragnet as jeff 'cause it of anybody you happen to be within that radius in that thirty minute time period then that pretty much given free rein to do it and this kind of warrant is called a reverse location search warrant and it's being done by law enforcement agencies sees around the world particularly in american is not just in relation to this particular bank robbery last month. It was used to identify members of a group called the proud cowboys at group of right wing extremists and some of them are alleged to have beaten up some lefty protesters at a rally in the upper east side of manhattan recently so that's interesting so so saying dragnet is an analogy here with t._v. Where if the bank had cats the the police were just grab the tapes and then go through it and see everybody's face a walked in and out is is that the analogy that they're just simply grabbing the phone details of every phone that water now. I guess that is the kind of precedent which has been set right but of course with the information from a mobile phone. That's much more identifiable. Isn't it then <hes> blurry image of someone's face exactly you get their name. You probably get other data you get their i._p. Address. I think it's probably still sharing your basic g._p._s. information. I there is a legitimate purpose for that. Which is if you you want to share your location with your friends and family var google services then. You've allowed them permission to look where your phone companies or indeed. If you've lost your device vice that information is being stored by google as to where your device is and i guess it's up to google to decide who shares it with and it says we need a search warrant. They present one and they say here's here's all the information information nearby that was another case as well as well as these trump lovers beating up people there was another case where a man was arrested for murder order based upon information google supplied only to be later released as it was found his google account was actually associated with a variety of different smartphones and devices one of which was the ship of his former stepfather so they're having a whole series of these case now. You're probably wondering how successful the police were <hes> <hes> in identifying those responsible bank robbery well with google helped by imagine. It'd be very easy. Well it turns out that the police so far at least have have not named or arrested anyone in connection with this robbery so the investigation continues which either suggests that these two bank robbers turned off their location history and so although they did walk into all right they have been iphone users which may be as another way to defend yourself as well. They're successful bank robbers. They've they probably can afford the latest iphone tech so does not work on an iphone well sunny. There are services whereby you can share cia your location on iphone as well and i think they are enabled by default after a member i i'm pretty sure that i had to turn over my find out all kinds of location nations tracking things some of which was being used by ad services for instance what i'm unclear about. Maybe we can have listeners contact us if they know is whether apple itself has access to that <hes> information because quite often apple design these things so they themselves don't have any information they can share with law enforcement. Oh mr avoid this kind of much incoming. Yes indeed so great. Are you advising that robbers now. Just leave their phones at home. Is that is that the whole point of the story or the good news is that we've got no bad guys. Listen to a podcast. Everyone who listens to our podcast is a good is that shouldn't say gosh. I shouldn't say fellows every the job jeff. What's your story for this week another couple of days old at the time recording but i do wanna talk about the jack dorsey twitter hack the jack attack the jack jack jack hijack hijack hijack. His name is also sort of essence is type thing for various. This was dausi's twitter account oversea jack dorsey being the boss of twitter. His twitter account was hijacked for briefly. I think it's about twenty ninety minutes and a series of inflammatory tweets were sent out from his account one of which talked about a bomb threat to a to h q there were references to far the white stuff but ever since to hitler very salacious stuff. The account got closed down. They up see-sawed at the problem. There is no longer salacious tweets coming from jack dorsey to account so on the surface of comparising obviously for the boss of twitter to his own account hijacked then. There's a whole issue will how did this happen. What's emerged afterwards is it seems jack dorsey. It's been the victim of the sims wop. Sim swap attack not an expert in those particular things but as i understand it if i'm a hacker and i wanna take over your phone account for example our phone up. I find find out who your with three or b._t._o. Ever you with you know and i will phone them up and say oh. I'm unaccustomed. Yours and i've got a new sim card in my phone and i want to attach my number two this new sim card and the hacker doing it so it's not my at all. It's now the the mobile phone company will often try and establish you know. Are you the customer so the last competed taking birth mother's maiden name dre anything available on linked in well absolutely yes so those are basically if i can grab information about you. I confirmed up your mobile phone company and effectively a hijack. Your mobile phone number on your mobile phone number then becomes the number on my phone. I've got my sim card now. Usefully with twitter they have a system where you can tweet using just a text message so it's an textile particular number and that text is linked. If your phone's linked to twitter account that text will become your tweets. You will have tweeted the text effectively effectively. It's really handy way on the face of it to get tweets out. We know i f- i thought wow no th- would someone want this kind of feature. Why would you want to to send a tweet via s._m._s. rather than using your smartphone app for instance to to send a tweet which is going to be a much easier process but then i thought about it as i was robbing bank in wisconsin months ago i realized well. I don't really want to carry a smartphone with me. Do i because google take this. Oh no nineteen ninety s dumb phone with me and then i can keep up to date on twitter s._m._s. message there. Were i mean there are some reasons i think for the s._m._s. Twitter while some good commercial reasons as you say if you don't have access to a smartphone so in countries that are less economically developed around the world. There's less smartphone penetration they can update by s._m._s. and also if you're not near wi fi or if the wife i get shut down on other instances in which the government is trying to shutdown wifi networks and so being with just text or a mobile phone mast ost was useful so all reasons that the issue of with this every reporting okay jack dorsey twitter account hangs an unused and so on it does mean ed or a period of at least twenty minutes. Possibly more hackers had accessed. We're affectively. They had jack dorsey phone away. They had his number under their control. I mean does that mean. If anybody phoned jack dorsey to in that period the call went through to them an if people send text messages they get text messages and so isn't that the risk that if if your numbers hijacked it's way beyond just being a tweet from your phone that person is then they have your number and whatever's going on with your number they have so i'm interested into as to how far it went and under what kind of access that gets but the thing about this twitter so said look. This wasn't a failing our end. We believe this is a mobile phone operator failure a a mobile phone company may have inadvertently allowed this to happen. I've spoken to young hackers in the past whom swapping is just stock in trade is what they do flagging their way into a twitter account base leo to mobile phone account so i was interested in how much information would you need and usefully perhaps not usefully my partner lost phone recently and had to go through a very similar process. She's got a new handset an old sim so she wanted to go to and i'm going to say the mobile phone provider because it's good for mp three the mobile phone provider. She put him in and said y. You know phone three instead. I want my old number of the phone. That goes stolen got lost. I want that number now on this sim zim and three to come into the store and by the way we need your passport. We've got a photocopy report to prove. Its you so clearly. There are some mobile phone providers who are really checking a lot of detail before they're assigning your number two a new sim card why they need my passport. Why do they eat a photo com. Your jack dorsey actually would be the kind of person who will hang on. I wish they had checked passports because then i wouldn't have had sim- hijacked so there's lots of interesting four. I look the whole thing about using using your phone. There's two factor authentication. I just issues with it so none of the category but this isn't the first armor partners phone has gone. There was another phone lost in india and she she won't listen to this just thinking of marital relations when nobody listens to this the the happy relationship is you never get any loved ones to this stuff but also phone got stolen in india and of course it was used by the partners the two factor authentication thing for her her g mail so from then on we'll know more access to g mills. It just felt there was a single point of failure with this phone and i think he using two factor authentication. You just gotta think if if i lose this what actually happened so i i myself haven't gone down the whole mobile phone as two factor authentication root for good oil but those those are my concerns with their and jack dorsey attack seems to kind of exonerate my position well i this this whole s._m._s. to factor of a lot of people are quite dan on the idea of two effect orthodontics var s._m._s. because of the danger of sim swap and the thought that someone else will be able to break into your g mail account or whatever account <hes> because they get the coat texted sixty to them. My feeling is it's better than not factual indication at all who advocate for people to be. I mean i would prefer if people had a hardware key or if they had had an apple decatur maybe on their smartphone or some other device for the two factor authentication but if you don't have that for any reason i would rather you how to s._m._s. based two factual information even though it's not entirely security better than what most people are doing but i think you're right to raise this alarm to well. What are you going to do you win you lose. How are you gonna handle that situation. I've had that headache. It is what my phone broke rather than lost but yeah same issue right because that's my default placed into the multi factor and suddenly it was out of commission on those controversies assay but i just think not debate is opening up because people do need to think if your phone goes what you're gonna do if you'll get i i also feel that twitter is an entirely you know maybe even jack dorsey himself is not entirely blameless about this because although normally like to blame the victim i mean he is the boss of twitter and he can change the way that twitter works and twitter by default opens up this s._m._s. gateway for people to use on your account and <hes> and my feeling is enabled by default. How would expect most twitter users don't have a requirement for that and so it's twice optionality in ease of us over secure i right. There's a constant theories. This problem of mobile phone numbers being hijacked and then used to tweet without authorization then why i isn't there more of a safeguard that should be pin which you have to add a numeric pin so that when you said semester you have to add five five one or something to the end of the message sa- twit can say oh this. This really is a text message from this person rather than someone who's spoof in the mobile phone number or someone who has grabbed it through since what good thoughts good something else for us to remember well well. You talk to remember to talk because you're not using s._m._s. for tweeting. You know certainly tweet tweet. I do occasionally a little special missile day. When does it postscript this. Donald trump has inevitably weighed into the debate and i think either also commented on it and said. I don't care if we get into my twitter account. All they're going to see is the tweets of don john might. This man is head of the world's most powerful countries so i think as you somebody did break into twitter account. We might get more sense more sanity not in the world. I don't know i don't know by the way the other thing is this was carried out by a group calling themselves the chuckling squad yes and in fact they called the chocolate squad makes me wonder linked the chuckle brothers tv tricksters putting it out to me now. It's my cover us rather over than references to nine thousand nine hundred bbc. Children's tv does jeff. Are you parched cars. Do you have a fancy car. What what kind of car do you own. <hes> no. I've got an old. Mike chris twenty years old all right so you're like me yeah. I'm trying to drive my car into the ground but graham you are driving a smarter car dr. I wouldn't call it small to such be a lot if i if i drove back actually a beeps over time yes if yes yeah but but no the cars today are much smarter than the use to be aren't they because for example if you were in a bad mood graham and you jumped into your car you might just go to your playlist bluetooth up your phone to your car and then blast your favorite songs probably the doctor who who talked to whom mega mix exactly imagine imagine. That's what it's called anyway. You know your car collects you g._p._s. information so where you've been and you've been there and time stamped on which days and people also use it to open their carports right. You put a little code so that your garage door opens or gated community. If you're all lottie da the gates would open <hes> and there's also this stuff called vehicle telematics. Have you heard of that term. This is the tech that sends and receives and stores all the info that controls vehicle remotely be it stationary or on the move so does your car occasionally when you're driving and you go over a line to try and jerk you back kintu lane opponent us that device human humans always you. I know what you mean. Yeah says this on there that automatically steer you into lanes. All that clearly doesn't ultimately stay me no but it would it would sort of buzz and b. E. can automatically stop if it thinks or slow down if it thinks i'm about to hit some right right right which have tested on occasion it has some some kind of quote unquote intelligence intelligence and all of his tech is great say many many millions of users how wonderful to blair your devices playlist flyby tooth and how wonderful to access step by step navigation instructions on a large built in screen i mean my car doesn't even have cup holders my biggest beef with my car. I don't want any of this smart stuff. I just really wish. I had a couple of their first for hot coffee because it's really hard to mike. Mike caused type player. Oh wow okay. I'll have to get tapes from people but they all to track down these days. How wow mix tapes. I've got mixed. Literally <music> mix tapes anyway. Let's say you have this fancy smart car of yours. Graham and you drive around for young right to and from work. Oh yeah that's not very far for you as you work from home home from your conferences right when you're doing your errands and you're shopping when you're off on holidays and you realize that the mileage is getting up there and you think it's time to trade it in right. Wouldn't you think of completely cleaning and sanitizing your car from your existence illegal point. I mean to be honest. I probably wouldn't think about that. If indeed you know how is it yeah. I might sort of wipe the <hes>. The radio pre set it to some embarrassing station what i._t. Pretense you cannot talk radio for right now. I'll tell you why have done that. I'll tell you i have to i have wiped the sav in the past because of course clever because because you might put you know friends and families addresses and one thing i do is i don't set an address home for instance. I was think if someone steals my collar. I don't want them knowing how to get to my house right. I i just i just put in the city where i live in from there. I know how to get back to my house <hes> and because i think if you're doing a private sale you might think we might be more alert on that sort of stuff going back to a dealer to do a trade in in order to upgrade or whatever you might assume that the dealer is going to wipe all that clean for you before they put on the market and the problem seems to the onus is on the driver to get rid of the information before they trade herself a car because there's so many in probably a growing number interdependent and fully independent services that are all working both without even paying attention to each other in some cooperating to get you the information. You need like like up ahead. There's troughing and it's very difficult for a dealer to be able to reach every individual car to go through and wipe all that because it could be many many different services depending on what car you have what model etc etc so u._s. Car industry executive turn privacy advocate andrea andrea emeco told the register infotainment systems even from the same manufacturer come variety of both hardware and firmware. Even within the same manufacturing year production variances between models can go from small to huge if it was truly easy and intuitive to glean information we would not see the statistics mystic's we see so basically people are not cleaning their cars so it's up to us. The owners to wipe are smart cars before trading and selling them men. The question is though how do you go about doing that. <hes> consumer report put together pretty solid list of advice i of is unparalleled bluetooth devices now i. I think most people would think about that. You pair your devices with your car so they can make and receive phone calls and receive a tax by speech not typing ways you fly down the motorway and you even create a mobile hotspot in your car and have internet available to passengers and drivers so all that information can be stored either either in the car or in the cars cloud server or one of the cloud servers that is made available to your car so that brings me to my second point log out of any cloud <unk> out accounts now apparently inside your manual for your car. There is information on how to ensure that you're getting your off all the cloud account so take a look at that hat but certain automakers store caught accounts with driver data you know including radio precepts like you talk about favorite temperature settings right navigation destinations estimations driving history and you might want to make sure you're logged out of all those before you get rid of your vehicle remove tracking devices graham. Isn't this what you were speaking about a few weeks ago so when we talk yacking about mercedes so this is where auto dealers and banks insurance companies may attach tracking devices to your car just for when they're setting up financing and coverage deals so i think many of the threats which you've been talking about here have been a threat to the seller rather than the new buyer but but there is a problem in so much as if the seller doesn't for instant disconnect that call tracking app from your car the new one which you've bought by the dealer then there's the potential for the previous owner to know where your car is and maybe even unlock it remotely via the take back and take it back or who knows yeah yeah good point and so there is huge problem of dealers not properly wiping the car because you can't necessarily trust the previous owner to have done it as we've discussed but sometimes they may not do it with actual malicious intent and what we've learned here though what i've learned is you actually can't trust the dealer to do it either not because they're necessarily too lazy easy to do it but because they don't actually know how races so. I think that's a safe assumption for you the user even if there's a few of it you don't yell at me if you do know how to do it well then you but they may not have access to password to nose may not be a may not be a method of do sure sure yeah now. This is an interesting one right resetting the vehicles telematic services services so this is tomac services provide services to the vehicle drivers for either a subscription or for any other arrangement right. Maybe it's a one off sale and these can be emergency services information services to help the driving experience. Can you not simply order kit to wipe telematic. That's why would it just sounds so seifi doesn't it. You have to wipe the telematics of your car. What on earth listen to the advice of how to do it. Okay blue link ford pass and onstar services that can send data from your car to the cloud even if he don't have current subscription and their analysts consumer reports advises that you look for an s._o._s. or called button on the rear view mirror or overhead console press it and you'll be connected to a live live operator and that is how you go and change the account owner because when you make the s._o._s. emergency call and say a match leoni ringing sorry you to waste your time just like my this is my g._d._p. Request to be forgotten which i'm making here by pressing the button see i've life. I've i've had cars in the pulse. Which have these buttons which claimed to call. I've never ever dead press them because i'm too scared as to whether it's going to be the object to see to say even if yeah i've had a crash i would never press that button. I'm just saying he may want if you saw your car just to make sure all these buttons hazard warning lights and i've got the rear misread radio listener and that's it those the buttons i've got don't you feel like yes. He's like he's got mixed tape. I pressed the button in my mom's car a little while ago because i just had this horrible feeling that driving on wet myself but it was it was the c._e._o. I haven't ongoing war in ten years old. Now with the heated seats act you know secretly whenever we have to travel together putting on the since it seems very set for in his car and then just start sweating yeah like i've got tropical disease in just curl -tario sitting next to me yep showed his son how to do it so now bram you brought up g._t._r._i. And very good point because that occurred to me as well so this could be a really yucky issue for car companies they don't step up to figure out how to wipe cars from data breath because think about it right. I don't have a smart car you do and you have connected your phone to your smart car and all your contents are likely to be stored in a car tied. Cloud vowed server somewhere which means i'm information as when you're context also there so how is this really different from facebook and that scandal where are people that weren't members of facebook users. Were actually did not do that with my car. I it is true that you can. I believe there is even a way of access in facebook for my car. I'll and twitter and i wouldn't allow any of that nonsense so i i simply use it to listen to podcasts. I don't actually council so lots of people out there. Do though looks very good you're better. You're actually security aware i was just taste better than the rest of your yes the stuff that's in the car actually in the physical combat self that stalled that you can probably white. I guess if you get too but then the the issue raised about the cloud when sent off to another server somewhere you you didn't even know that was happening. Be have no idea how to recover and get back a wipe it and see it potentially stays with the car so you'd have you did want the local copy yeah i i see i'm wearing it's staying with a third party this working with the car manufacturer of which there are many hundreds depending on what services you require and they're the ones who are storing the information so you you might thinking oh. I bought a you know whatever toyotas b._m._w. Whatever car fancy car with a smart stuff and who knows who's actually <unk> holding and data now as you can imagine. I was pretty smug when i was researching the story because i'm not a smart car owner and graham knows. I'm very good at ping smoke doc there. I was slugging away and as i was researching i came across this older article penned by upcoming guests john laden and his piece wchs razor really scary point car rentals <hes> so everything i've talked about here even if you don't have a smart card home if you what happened to rent one when you're off on holiday or on a work gig and you plug your smartphone into its little or connect via bluetooth or get some wifi going going in the car and that is a problem now because give me a break. They're cleaning any cars before they transferred the renting to someone else without that happened we apartment again but we the source of all tech insights my partner. We hired a car and sure enough. She plugged a phone connector up and we were stoned to see four one hundred names names and phone numbers pop up on the on the dashboard crumbs perfect example exactly did test this when we own plugged the phone disconnected the bluetooth truth the numbers disappeared from the on the dashboard but you may be wonder now whether they disappeared from the car award cloud server somewhere well according to john leyton within this article. This article is about eight months old but he he wrote drivers normally get a warning when they hook up to their car through bluetooth but this is committed when a u._s._b. Connection is made so motorists can unwittingly transfer their smartphone context and call logs onto the systems of leased or rented cars <hes> and that is seriously scary to me because yeah. I've probably done this like loads of tires. I've never thought about wiping the car rental car before so i've learned something super valuable yeah drop every friend or contact with a smart car. 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On the end and thanks them visible in the show hey graham they're people at their with companies a little bit bigger than ours and one of the issues that they face is visibility the an oversight and when it comes to cyber security that is super important so listeners listen up. If you do not have a password manager in your organization please please check out last pass enterprise bay offer centralized admin oversight and controls shared access and automated user management. All this stuff makes your life easier plus. You can even use last pass single sign on to protect all your cloud apps and give seamless access employees. Check it out at last pass dot com forward slash smashing. I'm welcome back and your favorite part the show the part of the show that we like to call because the week the biggest product show everyone. I'm done that before. We're not jeff's. I pick the week. I just thought that you thought that because because every guest like me forgets to do it doesn't know they're supposed to do it. I just thought you'd learned a lesson. You know we still have to do fine okay. It's in the collegiate. Leave the awkward pause and i'll try and step in a bit late as i normally do pick. A pick of the week is the show wh what could be funny story book that they read a t._v. Show a movie a record a podcast the website or an app whatever they wish doesn't have to be security related necessarily be occasionally not necessary now my pick the week this week. Oh my goodness s. sad moment for everyone like me. Who's a bit of a doctor who fan of old because one of the godfathers of doctor who do one of the great luminaries uncle terry himself. Terrance dicks has died. He died earlier this week and for those people don't know terrance dicks was someone who not only <hes> wrote the occasional doctor who story from the nineteen sixties onwards but he was also the greatest doctor who author of all time he wrote over sixty novelization adopted so when you say greatest you mean most prolific he was the most prolific and in some ways he really moulded what took to his and i'll tell you why he is great to a whole generation of boys growing up in the one thousand nine hundred seventy season one thousand nine hundred ninety s taryn sticks probably more responsible for getting me and those other lads to read books than anybody else rolling if no not like j._k. Rollings too. I mean okay. Maybe j. k. Rowling has had a tremendous impact on people as well but terence stakes wrote scores us and scores of books and when lads in the seventies and eighties were asked by the english teachers who their favorite author was. There's bound to be someone in every school class who said terrence karen sticks and truth be told. It wasn't watching doctor who on t._v. Which made me a fan of doctor who i believe it was actually reading the <music> owed target novelization doctors stories because dr was never repeated. You couldn't get on video in these days in those days. You couldn't get it streamed. Your way of recreating. What you've seen on t._v. Was to go and read the book and really very good point. That's true we were allowed at my local library three books at once you could check out sweep books in the kids section libraries to book at checkout three doctor who books the more than a day and go back and get three more so yeah. I remember those days hoping ping doctor who books it's very sweet. There's a wonderful tribute by rob. Chaman who himself wrote a doctor who story in two thousand and five published in the new statesman all about how rob was a young lad had with a stammer who met turned sticks and interviewed him and what happened and how turned sticks inspired him to become a writer which ruptured did you can go and comedic linked in the show notes but as a little bit of fun in honor of <hes> turned sticks and his passing. I wanted to play a little game of you now. Because now discovered scuppered jeff white has red number of doctor who boots i think yeah when i was avenue. Whatever okay i'm going to read out the names of three doctor who books and give a little summary of what happens and you have to work out which one i've made okay so now the game begins right two serve these are real and one of them is made up. I one doctor who and the danger of the cyberman a fantastic story where the fourth doctor. Tom baker took sarah. Jane smith in harry sullivan to the folkston literary festival. At least he thought he was going to but he mistakenly landed in a quarry who could believe who could do such on an airless planet on the outskirts of the unknown. Universe folkston been the soyuz folkston so that's one i wouldn't consider them. The next one is dr in the planet of the spiders sarah jane smith again because she's the greatest doctor companion at she visits a tibetan meditation center in rural england where group of middle managers are trying to summon up a spider data from the planet metabolic three and the final story. I want you to consider his doctrine. The brain of moebius doctrine sarah jane smith sent by time lords the planet com graveyard spaceships there. They encountered the mad scientist dr salon so which of those you're on your which is made up. I had a life danger of the cyberman planet of spiders or the brain of moebius jeff. Have you got any feelings on this. I i'm just gut feeling. I'm getting spiders. It is i think sponsors is the one you might help just the middle. The middle managers bear is is just a classic clueless. I'm thinking well. I have to say doctor who on the planet of the spiders. This is a genuine good job to was utterly made up by me <hes> complete with a really rubbish title i thought that would make it seem more likely than danger of men but they are anyway <hes> terrance dicks what a chap fantastic and mourned by doctor who fans all around the world so he is my not just pick the week. I think he's just pick of a lifetime for great impact he had on me. My husband was very sad so r._i._p. It's just what is your pick the week controversally my pick. The week is going to be my own podcast. Be something which gives the gateway. I always put up to by someone podcast geoff i have i have to post causeway. Leah called cybercrime investigations. At least since you ask is available on apple podcasts on spotify and all good pasta it is it is we'll apple podcast and soundcloud you can get it own as well and if you just say facade investigations my ugly mug you'll find it. I'm what's it about jeff. It's about the investigation instigation for cybercrimes when you're trying to research this stuff often a lot of material gets left on the cutting room floor and when i talk to my mate to my family about this stuff it's often the dead ends and the bits. Were not going well. They're most interested in they find most interesting so that loving polished version that you put out the saying oh we investigate listen. I found this and here's the story ignores two-thirds usually of what you've actually done. Which is that didn't workout. That was the wrong guy. I went to the wrong place there but actually that stuff is quite interesting so that's the whole point. Suburb investigations thing is sort sort of milk the investigation. I don't normally talk to people about but but also it's fun. I worked with lovely guy called glen goodman. Who's a photo journalist but knows nothing about tex. That's i love you too together. Actually i think you guys making such a good pair. It is good. He's got a great sense of humor and as i say also asks the questions that i need to be asked to kind of explain so yes sobriquet. Investigations is thing we've done ones on taught english bank hack and we did the one on <hes>. What was the other one. We did various ones anyway so you can you can catch up and listen and it's bound ninety minutes long. Each one of them perfect length is it's really enjoyable and i i have to say it's one of my favorites cybercrime podcasts. That'd be kind. It's equal. I five hundred thirty eight. I know i know it's january. I'm just reminded of that. Episode of desert island discs wasn't i some famous opera singer who went on desert island discs and chose twelve geraldo taking a long time ago. I think it was a long time just been terribly. I mean surely off the record number three you'll be saying. Can you want else. Anyone else is no no. Here's another one by mealy crow. What's your pick of the week my pick of the week this week is a podcast sorry jeff i should have had yours is about cybercrime uh-huh hosted by someone jeff white. I'm talking about podcast called. Intelligence squared now overall this great podcast. I love it and you'll hear array array of very smart people talking talking rather deeply about specific topics actually and <hes> comes at every week and it's great now the most recent intelligence squared pod. God came out features a person i really into. I like her books. I think she's smart. She's a scholar. She's an author and she's named shannon zubov. Oh yes yeah and last year. She published this massive. Tome of a book called the age of surveillance capitalism which i'm reading slowly and very much enjoying. It's just such a heavy book. My arms get the heart back. Whoa sometimes it's good. It's good for the guns but this parties the great intruders work. I've heard her on a few points but i really love this one. She talks foxborough. Bama ran the first political campaign that showed the power of targeted advertising right and he had the main google groups advising them how to do all this so it's like politicians are conflicted because they can benefit from the infotech is infringing on the people they swear to serve and protect righteous an interesting dilemma right tails talks about facebook which she says and we all agree has largely been self regulated for a decade or more since its inception but of course since came djelic okay and everything else the waters have been heating up and zuckerberg has needed to shift his public perception so she says and i paraphrase here zuckerberg is presenting himself as has privacy woke yet. The irony is that privacy fundamentally contradicts everything that makes facebook lucrative for its shareholders aca him because you know he yes to wear black diamond crested pants. I'm sure on a daily basis is the american definition of the word pants or the british. I'm sure they'd be much more comfortable. I'm bobby chafe smartly rate now. She sees sucker burg and she says he's planning the move to centralize legislation because if the legislation is centralized you have a lot more representatives that have to agree and that waters down law then zuckerberg can target cricket all his lawyers and whips and you know whatever would what's the word called someone who sways right to that central jurisdiction diction obviously also concerned that these elected officials can invent enjoy the benefits of things they provide targeted advertising so this is just too but quite a big massive points i think and they're just crammed in amongst others in this tiny forty minute podcast so go check it out intelligence squared with the wonderful innings from zubov and then go buy your book and that's my pick a week found excellent. Thank you very much krone. I think that just about wraps it up for this week. I'm jeff. I'm sure lots of people would love to fully online. All maybe give you suggestions or go. 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"It's time for tweet this week in tech. Paris Martineau is here from wired dot com who got Patrick Beija from France from travels all around the world. Mike Algan is back and Poitou. We have a big agenda to talk about today. Mark zuckerberg's posts saying he's going to change the way Facebook works or Willie. Elizabeth Warren says it's time to break up the tech giant's and a trip down memory lane with foursquare turns out there still watching your every move. It's all coming up next on twit. That casts you love from people you trust. This is. This is twit this week in tech episode seven hundred nine recorded Sunday March tenth twenty nineteen third party dog hats this week. In tech is brought to you by was Sabi. Huck cloud storage, the founders of carbon. I comes the cloud storage technology. That's disrupting the industry. See for yourself with free unlimited storage for a month. Go to Assab dot com. Click the free trial and use the offer code twig and by word dress. Turn your dreams into reality. And launch your website at WordPress dot com. It fifteen percents off any new plan at WordPress dot com slash twit. And by atlassian, atlassian software, powers the full spectrum of collaboration between IT teams and the rest of your organization. Visit atlassian dot com slash IT to see what IT can be by giving their products at try for free and buy fresh books the ridiculously easy to use in. Voicing an accounting software. If you don't believe us, try it free for thirty days at fresh books dot com slash twit. It's time for tweet this week in tech, the show recover the week's tech news. And there are some massive stories. We're going to get into partly because south by south west is going on. But partly because well, the news never sleeps. Mike Elkin is here. No one knows it better than Mike effect it sleeps a little Mike's actually moved to Europe to get away from it. I'm I try to move as often as possible. The Mike is of course, a inveterate longtime, computer technology journalist, watcher of the trends, he blogs at elegant dot com. That's whereas Mike's list is which is a great newsletter actually at an kind of an antidote to the daily tech news. It's fun stuff. And it's really cynical. It's just bursting with sour notes meal. It's just yes. Okay. Now, it's what I do is. I dig up the main list is ten things that are most absurd things and technol-. Technology. It's like our patch kids. You're saying, yes. Yes. Oh my God. Is that is that go back to that is that's the future right there. You're looking at that is. Yeah. That's biscuit me being TV Shemi being Jennifer Lawrence skinny Bush, EMMY Shemi Bush NBN being Jennifer Jalen meets St. by. Yeah. This is a deep fake article that I wrote a whole on Lasi Lasi long story. Short defect is going to get so good. That literally you won't be able to tell the fake from already have also joining us from Paris pets Beija. He is. I know sorry, his friends spin dot com. And he's in his kitchen apparently. Hello, patrick. I yeah. I'm so happy that I'm joining you at a reasonable hour. Never happens. Is it a reasonable hour? You you kinda like that in two ways. First of all we did that silly thing that we do in America called spring forward. It's entering daylight saving time. But also we've moved the start time of Twitter by. About half an hour to forty five minutes. So now, it's like what is it set a midnight? It's eleven thirty. Well, yeah. Not only that. But I'm also in Paris. I'm often joining you from Finland. So now, it's ten pm ten thirty now. Thanks. Yeah. It's time for dinner. Yeah. Always great to have Patrick here from French speed you and not Patrick on the Twitter and from wired magazine loved have Perez Martineau on the show. Hi, paris. How's it gone? Great to have you. She's in San Francisco. So she's about to be eaten by the tech broS, actually in New York, New York. Oh, I apologize. Jason. I'm going to be eaten by the type froze. Well, what's the status on H Q too? Because at first Amazon picked Long Island city just outside of Manhattan in the queens to be headquarters to then there was an outcry. And then they said, well, if you don't want us here we leaving. And then the last thing I heard is. Well, maybe we won't. I don't last thing. I've heard is that Cuomo and other people in New York politics fan, please come back, and we didn't mean it. But who knows I think it's it seems like all of the local politicians here are very against it. And as well as many of the unions. So it's probably going to stay either not happening or stay in a contentious space for a while. How much Mr. bazo loves contention? Gotta have it. So the big story of the week. Well, there were several on Wednesday. I thought the big story of the week was Mark zuckerberg's blog post, which some say I thought maybe was a pivot of Facebook from public facing network to a privacy facing network. Then Elizabeth Warren on Friday at south by southwest announced. We're going to break up if I get elected president, we're going to break up Facebook, Google, Amazon, and then she threw in an interview with Patel almost like she hadn't even really thought of it. Yeah. And apple two. So it was really kind of handed. He said you're gonna break up apple Touche's. Yeah. We're Big Apple two. Oh, okay. Her complaint against apple is a little bit weird. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about Facebook. And then Paris wrote an article also coming out of south by about a company you haven't heard of in a while company that made it's kind of famous debut at south by some years ago. Four foursquare. Exactly. Yeah. It took the took Austin by storm. It's taking Austin by something a little less than a storm. This time with a new app called, hyper treaning, but you got an interview with Dennis Crowley and saw something that I am bone chilling. But will let you talk about all that. So it's a I also hadn't thought about four square. Maybe hin a decade since it was four squares heyday, but you could be forgiven for wondering whether foursquare even still existed, but force crafts today is this location. Data giant rivaling, the powers of Facebook and Google almost like you may not even think the foursquare user if you've never used the app, but chances are that you are for scores. Technology powers GIO filters in Snapchat, tag Sweden's Twitter. It's an AccuWeather Uber. Apple news, Airbnb we chat most Samsung phones, the photo their photo app on Samsung slam and essentially, yes. Warm all four squares natives apps, and I mean as four squares website says if it tells you where it's probably built on foursquare and all that amounts to foursquare has the ability to track most people with smartphones track their locations in real time and hyper trending which is a feature four four squares apps. They rolled out at south by southwest. It chose this live map of Austin. That update that shows basically the locations of all the phones all the people with smartphones in Austin in real time, albeit it's a aggregated an anonymous to bit. So you just see like a big circle if there's a bunch of people at one coffee shop versus a small circle if there's only two or three, but it's a real a real time tracking service that speaks to the amount of data that forest grows collecting, and when I went to go meet with Crowley on Thursday. We're going. To be talking with hyper trending, but he ended up showing me this internal game kind of app that foursquare head a been developing just among its co workers, and it essentially as kind of like candy land but an app and the except for the cards that you draw on candy line, you get cards and order like move along little row rainbow except for the cards in this app are based on real people's location data and where they are really going. So he had pulled up his phone when we were meeting, and it was like, okay. Well, the the candle on that he had was based on New York City. And so he's like, okay. Well, I need to move to the Manhattan bar square next. If I go look, whoever is in proximity to my phone based on who has or who foursquare has data on. I can see that. There's one person who spends a lot of time at midtown bars. So I'm going to add them to my team in next time. He this person in the real world goes to midtown bar and foursquare tracks him all move the forward and the. Game. Which is just insane. That this company has that sort of technology. I kind of blame myself because when foursquare launched ten years ago, I jumped on I thought this is fun. And I would fight to be mayor of twit with my wife for mayor of our local coffee shop, and then they pivoted to swarm which was basically the same thing. Foursquare became an app that would tell you about places, but swarm was where you checked in. And I use that for while. I think Lisa's still does I think she's in a battle with one of our engineers to be mayor of the twit studios, but I stopped because I thought it's you know, we got to be mayor was kind of silly. But I thought well, I've stopped. So they don't know where I am anymore. I guess I was wrong. This you mentioned that Crowley, wasn't sure if it was cooler creepy Dennis. It's creepy. If it's creepy. I'll read from your article downstairs in the cafeteria. There are forty people Crowley says he's looking at a coffee company real cafe on the first floor of the building. They're in forty people. These are people that are actually there. We don't put their names we just put their unique advertising. Ide- we turn that into a fake name in a fake avatar. But it is their unique advertising ID, so basically the same and also you can definitely d anonymous that if you see okay, there's one person that only goes to these four areas. This is my bar, buddy. I keep seeing him. Here must be four three nine four seven two one three three four one nine. And they. Well, I have one question then you can ask here's Patrick are. This isn't from foursquare this information where this is like, I'm using the Samsung phone is it sending location information to foursquare. So this I believe in Samsung, it is foursquare powers the geo tagging features like whenever you take a photo there. How it'll like show you a little understand that it's going to. But he's also coming hours that yet. Yeah. So it's a two way do that yet. Every time your phone takes a photo and tries to GIO tag. It sends out signals like it, use bluetooth wifi. GPS coupled front things and then runs that by four squares like a whole list of locations and then four squares like, oh, he's at twit Sudi owes. But he all but four square also gets the data that you're at twit studios. You know, that's the part that's weird. And this is we're going to have a sign up for this. And remember Verizon gotten a little bit of heat because they were sending unique ID's from their Verizon phones, even got fine for them. That remember how much trouble Uber got in because they had a God mode that did the same thing. But only with Uber. This is ten times worse over by the way is one of the apps that sends information back to foursquare apple maps, all the big privacy focused. Apple sends it back Airbnb. We chat basically any app or thing that uses location services that isn't connected directly to Facebook or Google probably powered by four square because they have the most advanced I guess location of technology when it comes to pinpointing where you are. But that's the the back end of location services for foursquare who just happens to be very bub. Your and so has location data on lull of people in the same way that Facebook or Google, for example, has a lot of data on a lot of people the thing that they're showing. Now the hyper local apple mode, or whatever they wanna call. It is completely anonymous right? If we want to believe them, this is just an application of the the location data. They already have and that many other people also have this is real time data Patrick not coming from the foursquare swarm app. This is coming from all those other apps. I understand. So it's the location services that are used by many by Google apps and devices in the same thing, right? Because they get that in the same way, basically. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Differences that most people probably don't realize that when you're using Uber, or I don't know trip adviser or something or you. Having AccuWeather weather alerts turned on the back of your phone that you're one consenting begin your data to these apps, but also consenting for it to be used in the future to create some hyper trending app, or the thing that I find the most worrying is that when I was speaking to Crowley who's saying that hyper trending it's going to turn off after south by south west. But the reason why they're there is for developers. Oh, we could use it in this way or build this app off of it going forward. And so this same information that you didn't really consent to be used in this way. Even though I suppose technically did could be used for any number of other apps. Patrick finish than they get very quickly. I I can't believe I'm going to defend this. But just to explain exactly what he's trying to do with this long post. He's saying we can basically build a catalog of the popular places in this city at south by southwest. And we're doing it now showing it we think it's cool or creepy acknowledges the creepy factor. And we're turning it off because we think there's something interesting here, and we want people to start thinking about these things and to kind of, you know, think about the uses and the guidelines and all of this. So the announcement here is the use of location data that sure we might have not realized that they had so much of it. But we know Google has a lot of it. We know Facebook has a lot of it. It's not that different. The big new thing here is I guess two things for. I four square also has a lot of location data like the others, and they built this application with that hyper trending mode, which again, is is an honest and only shows the popular places in the city. So it's a way to see which locations in stores and restaurants are popular in a way that you couldn't before. So I don't know that there's something I don't want to say new, but I don't know that it's that different from what Facebook or Google can already. Do. I'm not sure why it's that creepy. I wanna play a little bit of devil's advocate. Well, here's here's the the the case on the other side. First of all, I think that they should release that game to the public because I think that'd be a great consciousness raising exercise. If people see that this is real people. This is what they know. And because right now, people just don't get it. The other point that I think is the bigger point is that the phone in your pocket. We'll have a phone on us right now. All of us everyone in this building. And everyone in the world and Google is tracking. Everywhere you go. Facebook is tracking everywhere you go. The carrier is tracking and selling that information. Everywhere you go many of the ads on your phone are doing it. Most of them sending it to foursquare how secure is that communications medium. The point is that is not just somebody is tracking. Lots of people are tracking you, and we have no access or knowledge about how security is how Hackel it is. Whether the Chinese government is tracking is is is tapping into this information, whether it's being sold whether whether it's not being sold. What I do know is that it's all for the purpose of commerce and advertising and the the advertising still sucks. It's not. I'll give you accurate. Yeah. In terms of it. Yeah. Nobody's getting any benefit from it is what you're saying. So it would be okay. If somebody were making money on this or they were showing me products. I wanted to buy the great if I were getting some common defense. Fences. Like, oh, then you're able to have adds that people actually want to see which I don't think anybody is thinking. Wow. My ads are great now. I'm so happy that I'm seeing so many relevant AB Google if they for instance, if Niantic turned on in Polk mongo or ingress turned on a map the show, you all the other players and where they are in the city, and it would be such an eye opener. I think these companies know very very well. And maybe dens does maybe that's his reason for doing this that there would be a hue and cry right now nobody but the geeks at south by the the few people listen to this show. No about it. But an read your wired piece, but that's not the mass of general population. I think if the general population, I think if Elizabeth Warren saw this she'd flipper lid product. Nightmare scenario, Patrick that will. So it's anonymous, right? It's just a ide-. It's not. So I'm a I'm a Russian spy, and I want to keep track of an NSA agent. I just hang out until in a bar until that agent that I want to keep track of because I have his picture shows up. And then I can start tracking his hyper trending presence on foursquare. Maybe it's not public. Maybe after by the service, and I can pretty quickly triangulate. Oh, that's him. Once I've got his ID. I no longer have to surveilled the guy know where he is at every moment of every day. Exactly. I know who is girl is I know when he's at the office. I mean, hyper trending, isn't that specific thing doesn't it is the Republic it is. Because all you have to do as you pointed out, you can denies it by figuring out who's that guy. That's going to all these bars scale with something that was individual where you had an. Vigil like the the game that Dennis showed me the monopoly. Yes. Direct, hyper. It's a long, right? Hyper shows you essentially a list of stores or restaurants places of business and tells you how many people are there. So it's a lot specific moment. So it's a lie. It's not in Dennis who says. Yeah, I know this is controversial. That's why we're push on everybody that's a lie because if they show them the lollipop game, and what they really know. People would freak the hell out just like the gug mode for from Uber. Exactly. Data didn't disappear. It's just that that interface was hope for the made forbidden, and no one has access to it. Except a few very authorized people. But the fact that hyper trending exists or not doesn't change the fact that all of them, you know, okay. Should eight exists and has as a non Emma says you claim to make it can be demonized. I do have to. Quit out that both apple and Google claim. They use a technique to deeply anonymous it which is not to take the full trip at a segment of the trip. So they don't have a starting point in an ending point. They they make some I think better efforts. And there are claims that you can supposedly mathematically prove that this stuff is anonymous it doesn't look like four squares making any attempt to do that at all every company trust themselves and their their message to the public is. Hey trust us. We're Google apples foursquare et cetera et cetera. We're AT and T where this company were that company. Trust us. We will keep your data secure. We will won't be hacked. We won't share it. We won't be anonymous it we none of that stuff is going to happen. Of course, all those things happen all the time. And it's just it's something that everybody needs to be much more aware of. And I think that you know, we need help from all quarters. We need phones that are that can that can turn off location by default quick. Really more conveniently more transparently and a whole bunch of other things because right now, it's just it's getting to the point. And again, I'm kind of amazed at this conversation because this is almost exactly the conversation. We're going to have about Facebook. There are many many points and end, and we're gonna we're going to do. It's actual table center for the face xactly conversation, Paris when you interview Dennis. What was the sense? You got from him. Was he proud of this? Did he understand how upset people would be if they knew that he had this lollipop game? He was speaking about it like it was the most normal thing in the world. And I think at one point later in our conversation. I was like this is honestly very surprising to me because one I mean, I'm a tech. Reporter I follow these faces pretty thoroughly and regularly. And it doesn't it didn't seem obvious to me or my editor even when we had walk when we were talking about this conversation to begin with that this sort of granular level of data was something that foursquare had and was playing with on a regular basis. And I think he replied something the effect of. Oh, yeah. This happens to us all the time. We don't realize how I guess not callous or how blase we are towards things that anybody outside of our company would like oh my God. Wow. You have this sort of information. I think he said that he often. Whenever he has conversations with his mom or sister or family members and mentioned some of the things that they do he gets shocked back into stepped back into reality. One realized should not be allowed to decide what what this stuff because they're completely major that's life in didn't realize how horrific God mode was I mean, they're so callous about this that they should not be. Foursquare even has a it's a tech ethicist panel. They have a group of thinkers in the space. They've hired anytime. Somebody says, oh, this might be a controversial subject. Panel. I mean. But to to what Mike was saying. How do we address this? You were saying we we need an easy way to manage location services on the iphone at least, I'm guessing it's the same case on Android phones. It's very easy to go in and disable location services as a whole or per application. Yeah. But the minute map it starts sending data back to foursquare the minute opened his. Nope. Not if you disabled it then application because it doesn't know where you are. Exactly. So well point so people should stop using weather apps map abs-. I mean, so many apps. No, your location, stop using yelp. Even if you only send location when the app is running which is probably the right default setting for hall of these. You're sending out enough information that could be I think the real issue here is there are so many signals that somebody with desire to combine signals is going to get a very complete map. So really the only way is just to not carry a smartphone. But are willing to do that. I think that the idea of consent like consensus in these cases isn't illusion when it's just a binary choice when it comes to our sort of privacy settings. Whether it's if it's you get this feature or you could access to Facebook, and the things that you need to be a person in the world. Unfortunately, nowadays, or you don't if you want to not send all of your information out, and even in the cases of okay, you turn off location services for one thing. And you only use it for one second to order Uber. You're still sending out just wanted me. Think of location services. Maybe we think of your sending out one signal. But no your phone is sending out hero the ten bluetooth signals. I'm picking up next to me here. All the wifi networks that I can read they're using GPS GSM to end all that's going to foursquare or Google or whoever who is then going to check that against their range of locations. Like oh Perez. Is that World Trade Center? I'm going to send her we were there. Just to flesh was saying the the the situation with user control of location, data apps is getting better, and I know on Android. It's constantly saying, hey this. This happens using your location is that okay? And you can just right there does that not Android does that towel? So they both do both made improvements. But but the problem is that like, you you mentioned Uber. The way it really should work is at the point when you're ready to order number. You should have an explicit option to turn on location for Uber. The overall up and say, okay, I'm going to turn this on until my car comes and it goes off automatically or something like that. That'd be the user advocacy default, but it's actually the industry advocacy, advocacy, default. Which is that the Uber is tracking all the time. And you have to actively say, no, yeah. And you have to. That your you should be able to say, okay. If I want to share my data and location data for that one moment to Uber. I can only consent to being used for things relating by. For any other services, or it can't be shared, its advertisers. It can't be used to be a hyper lover number trending. The Yaser put the person on these companies not to aggregate and share this data because that's what's why is it sent to four square in the first place. I guess is a good question. So do that just Latian. That's where I'm going to do all of you. Oh, yes. Okay. Excellent. It's the only solution because they're not going to self regulate. And all you have to ask is if an adversary got access to this information, would that be a bad thing, if the Chinese government were able to get access to this foursquare information would that be a bad thing? And if if you say, yes to that, then you then we've got to do something about it. Because there's there's no way that an adversary is not actively trying to get all this information that they don't already have. Issue is that you can't really close the doors on data. There's no expiration date for your consent. When it comes to the sort of data that you're handing over. Let's say okay foursquare allows one let's say Uber and some other third parties that it works with it. All it takes us one of those third parties breaking their contract with foursquare and sharing that data with somebody else who decided to paint a million dollars for the day they have. And then that person shares it with someone else and so on and so forth. Who knows maybe there's Chinese shell company posing as I don't know American massage parlor onto per Noor that is buying this data already from four square and from Google it's legitimate advertising. You'd have to hope that when Uber or a an app sends the data to to foursquare, it's maybe somewhat identifiable. But then foursquare actually anonymous is it, and they can't you can't really be found afterwards. I mean, we don't know that for sure, but I would guess that's what they do. They have some kind of process. So that you don't act, and you have your ID number that can be easily attached to you. I would guess, but but to to Lear's point is easily discernible to figure out who Catan demise. And everything's ultimately associated with the phone number and the phone number is gold, and the you can figure out everything this is like the remember the conversations we used to have about the NSA spying, and they're like, oh, it's just meta data, a meditated everything. Yeah. We now know and this is like meta data, even if it's a non is. It's it all. Contextual data. Well, who it who is it that spend their days at this company and lives in this neighborhood and drops off their child at this daycare center and frequently goes to this other person's house, you can figure out who that is. And even if you don't know who it is by name, you know, everything else about that person. It's enough information to do anything you want to do. It's also I mean, everything's a mixed bag and technology. Right. So this knowledge about how many people are in the building in a cafeteria downstairs, that's really valuable knowledge for firefighters, for example, or an official ways of it. Yeah. Right. So it's even for you. You may not want to go because it's, you know, busy too fast forward to one of the Google maps that shows you, okay? Around. And that's the exact same. I have to send Larry page is going tennis. You it with you. Don't tell this stuff. Right. Keep it a secret. We're not gonna put location, but I reminded me, and this is going to be obscured to anybody over a certain age, but it reminded me of the marauders map, and Harry Potter. Paris knows what I'm talking about. Where you see? It was a map. And if you take your one, you go, I solemnly swear. I'm up to no good. And you tap, it all of a sudden it comes alive and shows the location of everybody in Hogwarts, you know, as they walk around. It was hugely valuable to Harry and his team. It's good go watch the movie kids. It's fantastic. Anyway, no. No. The book read the book, obviously read the book, it's like that. But what if what if Pokemon goes, suddenly, I solemnly swear? I'm up to no good. You tapped it, and you could see every Pokemon player or anybody would install it ever in their location. It would immediately come home to the American public. That's that's the big. Oh, shoot moment. I guess we know that Facebook and Google have profiles like these with that amount of sensitive day in the back of our mind. Yeah. But at least we know I don't think any of us knew that foursquare had a profile with that much of that much personal. And here's my sensitive data. Right. That there are many more big data brokers that we don't even know their name. I bet Paris knows some of them that are doing the have exactly the same information. The and the real fear is that used somebody goes out and buys three or four these databases in real time and gets a real. Fire hose of them. Because that now suddenly you've got this amazingly granular map of pretty much everybody. I don't think it should be the on the on us as users not to have a smartphone or make sure we turn off privacy. I think it should be illegal to collect certain kinds of information and sell it and share. Here's what I think the fear of this will show. Yeah. I think the theme will be that clearly our laws don't reflect the twenty-first century now. And we need a tech new deal. You heard it here. First is it green? Yeah. That's another. That's another. Visit even newer deal. We need to update our laws around antitrust around privacy. I mean back in the day back in the twentieth century where all of our current laws were written. Basically, we had laws sort of like public television had to have a certain number of hours of XYZ because they're using the public's resource the airwaves, right? There was this idea that boy is that gum, and nobody nobody was like, oh my God overregulation, right? Who owns the data about where you are do do's foursquare? I mean, they're acting like they own it. You gave it to him. That's right. Maybe we need laws that say, okay. Here's who owns that. In from. I confess I've been a bad boy for years. I've argued how who cares let them have my data. You know, there's so much value in this. I don't care if Google knows where I am. And that's why I think it's I think what actually Dennis did. And maybe he knew what he was doing. What Dennis actually did is kind of bring it home to see. Some people. And and I think if somebody made a map that was like this marauders map, but it showed everybody in your town. And where they were there would be instant regulation instantly. I think there's no question about it. It people would hop. They'd be so mad. I think you have a lot of faith in the public. Oh, I think if they saw it they'd freak out when you freak out if there were an app on your somebody should do this semi Mets the snap. You have to agree to it. And it's only people use Snapchat. Right. Yeah. People. He's only your friends. Yeah. It's not so bad. It's not so bad. I it's okay. If Leo knows where his friends are what's so bad about that? But what if every one of us knew where every single what if there are Petaluma app that showed you where every single resident of pedal Emma was at any every given time. But Leo, you keep saying that the fact that this data exists somewhere. It doesn't mean that people are doing it is like that that marauders map. It's essentially the Uber got mode, right? Someone did it. Indeed. And very quickly. They were shut down. I would hope that if someone was they weren't they were told not to use it. I doubt very much it doesn't exist. Because of course, of course. But everywhere it exists everywhere. I guess what we come back to is. We need regulation for these types of data as well. Everyone was arguing that. I think is the possibly the conclusion of this conversation. It's so much and such important data. It needs to be regulated. And currently it is not regulated at all. I think that's the final word. We all agree. So say we all. All right. I mean, I I hate to say we got to regulate it, especially because we have such a dysfunctional government that I, you know, I don't say we've had this argument before Patrick. Yes, we have. And what happens when you say stuff like that is put into people's head this idea that government can't function to do what it's supposed to do while at the same time saying, but we need to to be regulated. Of course government is not going to be perfect. And of course, there are going to be some things that are not it's not understanding and something it doesn't do properly, and maybe even the laws that it would pass. We'd not would be imperfect in many ways. But if you say if you follow up the idea that it should be regulated by the caveat. All but the government can't really do it. Then obviously, nothing's going to happen. You're right. I shouldn't come from despair. I should come from hope. Or Bill Clinton still believe in place called hope up Laban apply skull. Hope I wanna live there with my girlfriend and Hillary we're gonna take a little break after that. I should just edit that part out which it because that was tasteless. We shall continue. I mean, this is just this wasn't even this was going to be the moves Bouche before we get to the main course can to be along main cars are going to be a big main course because we still have to talk about and it is related Facebook saying no privacy. I and Elizabeth Warren saying I got a solution. Don't regulate I'm just break the hell break them all up after we talk about Facebook. We're all going to wish foursquare control of all the. There's a lot more. And there's a I mean one hundred other stories to we'll try to get to as many of them as we can. But as always is the big stories that interest as the most Patrick beige is here, representing the e u. Perspect- Zeke for all of the EU is French spin dot com. It's always a pleasure. Actually, I really do like having you on Patrick because we often especially on Twitter, but in general, all Americans kind of have a US Centric point of view, the EU has really been in the forefront, especially in these kinds of privacy regulations. So it's it's good to have you arguing jank to government with with exact a perfect example of what I was saying, which is the laws might be necessary. But they're not perfect and highly. I think I'd rather say GDP are for the US then a break-up of m Amazon Google apple we're getting one for California. Yeah. We'll see how that works out. I'm sorry. No. I have hope. Peres Martin knows here. She is staff writer at wired. I didn't realize you were in New York. I'm glad you're you're you're joining us all the way from far far away. Twenty nine floors up right now. Nice. Are you in like is it the Conde nast building he adds a Conde nast as in World Trade Center. Oh, wow. That's a good location. Yeah. I'm surprised you can kind of see the windows back here, credibly foggy. Any cannot see the basically the entire building is gone. Four twenty nine don't ever say gone in World Trade Center in the same sense, you're on floor twenty nine of one World Trade Center, which goes how many floors up? I honestly have no idea there quite a few. The hundred released. I thank you. I know we have a coffee shop in the sixty fourth and that's barely in the middle. So probably quite a bit. That is that's amazing. We need buildings like that. In San Francisco. It's a real under building. Yeah. An Mike Algan is here world traveler most recently was in where Bronco and in next week. We're going to Mexico City to do the Mexico City. What a light and then back to Morocco Morocco experience. And yeah, gastro nomad dot net. If you want to find out what Mike's up to with that. And in fact, if you go to gastronome eh dot net and click the experiences button, you could see upcoming gastro nomadic experiences in year last year before the Provence experience. I did the show, and I said I want to twit army fan to join ice and somebody joined us from Twitter army nice, and I want to do that again from Mexico City. We're we got room for you. These are small groups you all live in the same building. You guys you wanna marry your beautiful wife Goto place. Find all the greatest chefs and interesting gastronomic experiences. Find a wonderful place to stay and y'all stay together, you have dinners together you get plenty of time to tour as well. We make stuff like in Mexico. We make tacos we make bread. We make all this stuff chocolate from Scotto, Sean plant the seed and wait for it to grow. And then we make the chocolate so fun, and is your Mexico City location near the Zocalo is that it is literally on this Okla. Oh, that's so cool. We have a view of the is that I think that's a surprise. My life's gonna kill mish. We keep all these things. She tried is a good location. It's a great low very central shall we say look at that. Oh, man. Yeah. And then next Morocco. That's in fez as a two week experience. We're doing the whole country. Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's going to be fantastic. As a nice little side kind of it's along for the ride. I mean, my wife does all the work. She literally spent months at every location putting these Santa mirrors one of the best cooks I've ever I mean, just amazing really. But you also bring in chef local chefs, and I know you've read makers and so forth. Yep. Co Italy, and then Provence, and you're going to Barcelona again, and this is and this is cool. Yeah. We're going to we keep adding them because for the project experience, it filled up just immediately. So we added to our. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So we're doing three this year. You also see Mike's writing and computer world and company fast company and not much on cable plus anymore. Not really did a final, farewell. Really? I did on on fast company. Yeah. I I think it was a eulogy for the last great social network that was the headline. Well, and in a way, and we'll talk about it. I think what Marx proposing sounds a little bit like Google. Plus, I'll tell you what it's well. Okay. Well, we'll get to that next. Save it. All right. But first word from west savvy was Sabi is hot cloud storage hot. That is. You know, cloud storage is on a roll this is a huge category. Almost all businesses are at this point considering some move to the cloud of data. It's estimated in by in the next six years by twenty twenty-five. They'll be one hundred sixty three Zetter bytes of data in the cloud. That's one hundred sixty three follow by twenty one zeros. It's a lot of data and choosing a cloud provider is a really really big deal. Cloud data if done right? It is probably more secure than your on premises storage. It can save you money. It's more robust more reliable. But it has to be done. Right. And that's why I'm really glad to talk about with Sabi was started by my friend, David friend, who was the founder of carbonite along with his CTO, Jeff flowers. They came up at carbonite with it a patented method for writing too, hard drives. It lays the date on the sequentially not via blocks, and that makes it faster and more efficient, which means is also less expensive. And that's the technology that patented technology that was Sabi is using to store officially and affordably. The data your business wants to save up in the cloud. This is disruptive technology, but they got to get the word out. And I said, I would David Jeff I will help you because I am such a believer in this. I know it's the big three you get all the attention. And probably if you're putting together a cloud strategy for your company, of course, you think an Amazon, Google Microsoft. But what if I tell you? That was Sabi is eighty percent cheaper and six times faster than Amazon's s three. It uses the S three API. So you already know how to use it all your software already knows how to use it. But it's eighty percent cheaper and six times the speed. And it's very simple, the pricing is couldn't be more simple. There's just one tier of service, and unlike the other guys, they don't charge you for egress, you get free unlimited egress. So that really helps your budgeting and planning because you don't even think about it. It's just how much are we going to put up there? That's all you think about they have a form of data. That is I think super vital. I love this idea. It's called immutable storage. You can designate some of your cloud storage unchangeable, not by Mao aware, not by a ransomware not by a fumble finger employees that data is protected. You have to jump through hoops to right to it. And that's huge. I think it's brilliant. It's just as secure because of that in. And of course, all the things they're doing that on premises storage. I would say it's more secure in most cases, it's hip compliant. Fenra compliancy CJ I s compliant, and if you have a lot of data to start you wanna migrate PetO bytes of data. You can do that with the Sabi ball, which is a really cool technology. Physical drive copy the data to Senate to Assab. It's up in the cloud experience with Sabi for yourself with free unlimited storage for a month. That's better than the normal deal. You're going in through a special with Sabi dot com. Trial offer us the offer code twit to turn that terabyte of storage to an unlimited amounts. He can really bang on an upload everything was Sabi dot com. W A S A, I dot com. Don't forget to use the offer code twit. All right. I think we need to we need to go to Facebook. Now, I maybe got a little over optimistic when I read this. And I read it on Wednesday. Mark zuckerberg's more than three thousand word posts a privacy focused vision for social networking. I got so excited by this ups. Pts you had hoped. Leo. I actually Mark Zuckerberg through. I actually I had deactivated. My Facebook account back in August. I reactivated it. And I said I posted for the first time in six months, saying, wait a minute, wait a minute. Now. Let me justify this saying, look, I don't know if Mark sincere. But if he is this is the social network I want and I'm gonna I'm gonna stay on Facebook to find out. Now the minute he proves to be insincere about this. I will be gone again. Because I because well anybody who uses Facebook, and incidentally, that number is dwindling, the we just saw statistic that said the number of posts on Facebook is down twenty-five percent number of people using Facebook under the age of twenty five dwindled by millions. Millions of people are leaving the platform. Facebook is under investigation by the by congress by parliament in the UK, we keep hearing every week more horrific security stories last week, in fact, coincident with this announcement, it came out that Facebook was using the number your phone number that they? Asked for for two factor, then occasion. As a way of identifying you and that there was searchable. And there was no way to turn that off and they're making available to advertisers. And they sell ads against it. Even though they were saying, oh, it's just two factor that day and time and time again, and there's been no evidence that Facebook or Mark Zuckerberg cares. The least for our privacy or security. It seems to be or our laws. The only thing. Facebook cares about is making more money. Then Mark writes his post, and I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. So you guys let me just say what Mark said, then you guys can talk me off. Actually, I was off the ledge talk me back on that. Backup on that ledge Lee back on the ledge. My focus Margaret, I'm not gonna read the whole thing. I'm gonna send upsides my focus for the last. Couple of years has been understanding addressing the biggest challenges facing Facebook effect. He said that was going to be his. Yeah, he's challenge out of this year. He used to only kill eat food that he killed now. He's saying he he says I'm going to outline vision principles around building a privacy focused message. Now, this is important messaging and social networking platform. Essentially, I saw this as a pivot now, you know, I've read a lot since I read this. But at and I think it's still if you read it at face value if you give Mark credit for being sincere. It's still is a pivot. He saying public social networks would continue to be very important in people's lives. People find these valuable every day. There are a lot of services to build on them. But now with all the ways people also want to interact, privately there's an opportunity to build a simpler platform that's focused on privacy. I and that's why I say. It's a pivot Facebook right now is public public and your stuff leaks out of it. Even if you say, it's private he says, I understand many people don't think Facebook cannery would even want to build this kind of privacy focused platform because frankly, we don't have a strong reputation for that. And we focused on tools for more open sharing. But I believe the feature the future of communication will increasingly shift to private encrypted. Whoa. When I saw that. I went what services and when he says encrypted he says, I want to do end to end encryption. We won't even be able to read your transactions. So here's the principles private interactions. People should have simple intimate places where they have clear control over who can communicate with them. I read that to be advertisers and confidence that no one else can access what they share even Facebook. People's communication. Should be encrypted. End to end prevents anyone including us from seeing what people share on are services. Here's another one. This is come straight from the chat, a Snapchat a playbook, reducing permanents one of the problems with Facebook and the web and generals everything posted their lives forever. You just said at yourself. Mike, people should be comfortable being themselves and should not have to worry about what they share coming back to hurt them later effect, many psychologists and others of social scientists observed that was really important especially for young people's ability to try personas, and then leave them behind, and that's why young people love Snapchat. They can try stuff on. But it doesn't haunt them for the rest of their life. So he says we won't keep messages or stories around for longer than necessary to deliver the service or longer than people want them. That's Snapchat, right safety, people should expect. We'll do everything we can to keep them safe limits. And this is really interesting within the limits of what's possible and encrypted service. He's tacitly knowledge ING that if. We can't see the messages that are being sent people could bully you. But presumably they're going to give you strong controls that allow you to say I don't want to hear from that person ever again interoperability. This is a controversial one in. It's not clear what he means people should be able to use any of our apps. Right. So that means Facebook Instagram and what's app to reach their friends. But then this is the sentence of. I'm not sure what he means. They should be able to communicate across networks that mean just within the Facebook network. Yes. He's mentioning text messages as well, which could open the door to other things, obviously, he's not he's not specifically naming other companies. But the fact that he's saying it could be used via SMS as well could arguably. And then finally, and this was another one that was a big deal. I thought secure data storage people should expect we won't store sensitive data in countries with weak records on human rights. Now, we already know Facebook doesn't operate in China China won't let it right? But it does. It's a little shot across Tim Cook's spouse, saying, we're not going to apple stores your data in China with the keys. Yeah, we're not going to do that. It means. There's no way they could operate in China. Now, I love this. And if an off I obviously this is a turning your back on a significant amount of revenue the ad revenue that Facebook gets I think there are opportunities. Here's what I interpret this. And I'm not alone in this. It seems to me Facebook's looking at we chat and China line. In japan. Those are messaging platforms that have turned into really platforms for almost every kind of interaction cleaning financial transactions purchasing of plane tickets socializing, and the idea that I could control who could talk to me this is like Google, plus is what I like to go. Plus who could talk to me who I would hear from. If a brand wanted to talk to me, they wouldn't get to unless I give them permission permission which could be revoked at any time. I love this notion. I think this is exactly what people want for social network. I see and what they thought Facebook was I will decide who gets to see my posts. And it's going to be my family and friends, it's not going to be advertisers. It's not gonna be Russia. I think this is what people thought they were getting with Facebook. I think this here was my initial theory talked me up on the ledge again. I thought Mark was seeing the horror of what he'd created maybe just because of the personal risks that he's facing from regulation break-up. Maybe going to jail. I don't know and saying all right. All right. You don't like it. I got a new idea and an idea I think Facebook is looking at line, and we chat saying, you know, they're doing pretty well, one of the reasons Facebook never had a chance in China is because of we chat, I think honestly that this is if if if I were if I were Mark Zuckerberg, I would like this plan. All right. I'm done with you, actually, Leo. I actually with you. I think this is momentous. Now, if we take it at face value. I think it's very easy to go. Of course, we he has never been truthful trustworthy, be with any of his declarations before. So why would we trust in? Now. Sure. I don't think we should trust him just on this. But I think it has value. I don't think he can say all of these things, and then do nothing and the list as you remarked is. The the the the dream of any anti Facebook person. This is the perfect social network. He's describing for law enforcement, they're going to hate this. Data collection and tracking swayed. Of his customers are going to hate it. But his users are going to love it. He even says, we will work with law enforcement to do whatever we can do to help them do their job. But honestly, if I were Facebook at apple wants to do this. I would just make it encrypted and say, hey, I'm sorry. But we can. Yeah. Data. There's patterns. Do you can't? I mean, we have you wrap Yali you decide when something happens exactly in the same case as what's happening India or in regards to Myanmar and fake news, bringing about a death on such a massive scale. What you're supposed to allow it to spread. Well, them are. Anyway, Myanmar was they were able to use the very public platform of Facebook to say wipe out the row hang let's talk about. What's app is a good example because that what's happening. Facebook messaging with group messaging, it was it is was used to see 'cause people's deaths. Mass rapes it was a very very bad thing. Pornography's using fake news, huge problem. They have limited the sizes of groups and things like that which doesn't solve everything. But it's not like, I think that happens. Facebook. Then the Myanmar issue and the and the Cambridge analytic issue, which are much more intractable choose if you continue to rent a public network. That's really how do you? What do you do about any vaxxers, it becomes really really difficult? And I think this is akin to what Zuckerberg saw when he saw things moving in the mobile world. And he decided Facebook is going to be a mobile first company, and we're going to old focus on this. And he managed in what two years to make Facebook, primarily a mobile company. I don't know that he's right that everything has to go private. I think that is something a lot of people do want. And I think he has the power and determination to make it happen. He did it. Well, that's a question. I have is he first he's is some have said, oh, he's going to still have public Facebook. He's just going to do this with what's app or just do this with messenger? He's gonna he's going to he's going to he's going to connect all the messaging platforms and Facebook together. So that you can do in end encryption to and from and within all of them, and he's going to say, that's this big privacy thing that there's still a big public Facebook. Right. Of course, people are going to want to do whatever they want. That's not how I read it. I really read that neither that he ain't clarifies this in his interview needed with neck later that day on last Wednesday, or whatever it was. He believes says here it says the thinking is that there needs to be two types of platforms in the world. One is a more public latte form like the digital equivalent of the town square. And then the other platforms the private space, the digital equivalent of a living room. And then you're going to have the Facebook and Instagram and the what's app and messengers. And but they're both they're, but they're both kind. Separate and working for different groups and for different reasons. Burn his whole post down. Yeah. Bernie, and I want you all to join me on this legend. We'll jump together holding hands. Okay. Good. We like it K. So the way I look this is he's trying to get credit for everything. He's resisted he wouldn't let them into China because China wants to control the Chinese public through. We chat we chat as the Mark Zuckerberg wet dream you can't scratch your but in China without we a train. You can't get a coffee. You can't accept you. And he's like, that's what I platform. He wants to make Facebook ten times more invasive, and and ten times more of a monopoly in the whole non-chinese world that is today. Chat. Molly would said and why he wants you using Facebook coin to buy everything through each out. He wants everything happened through each out. He wants to know exactly where everyone is at all times far more information than than than foursquare has. He's going to know what you by who you buy it for who you meet with when money of opportunity to make money and wants to turn he wants to make ten times more money by being ten times more of a monopoly and the way to get there is to say we're going to be we chat with encryption. Right. We're going to be the justifiably soup, you know, morally superior version of we chat because we're gonna have in Christian. Unlike we chat with just, you know, an entirely thing entirely different thing all together. What this blog post represents to me is he's basically announced that we got a few more things that we're going to copy the remaining two things from Snapchat that we didn't copy previously. And then we're gonna start copying we chat, and we're going to copy everything they do. And by the way, there's three stories a day recently about all the transgressions face. Book has commenced right against everybody. They're tr-. They're how data about women's menstrual cycles their Harvest Right data about people's heart rates. They're they're taking phone requiring you to use a phone for two factor. Authentication selling your phone number to advertiser all these stories are coming like this. And he's like we got distract everybody from this and give them some BS. And so they he did this post. And he said he said, I'm we're going to change all these things that aren't really the problem. He didn't mention tracking. He didn't mention shadow profiles. He didn't mention harvesting data. He didn't mention any of the things that are truly conversation. Truly a controversial. He came up with these other things that are less controversial encrypted communication. He's basically saying you're going to be able to send Email from CompuServe prodigy. Oh my God. Nobody's ever thought of it before. And it's going to be encrypted. Who cares? Right. He doesn't care. Who cares? Mike you're being disingenuous. It's it's still a big shift for a company like Facebook, it might it's an eligible ship has to offer encrytpion mutation. And he. Let's he wants to do is take all these all these these making a out of it, and he wants to he he's got two million people on Facebook. He's got a one point something billion on this and that laugh form and another platform and wants to take all four of them and combine them into one super network. That's all connected in in China p they're a huge number of Chinese people who never use the actual internet. We chat is everything online. That's Facebook name all along by the way with the internet's dot org. Trying to convince everybody that is a virtue for him to control all the users in a in a in a closed garden. It's a virtue that he is not allowed to in China. I think he's going to get kicked out of Russia to I think he would be happy. I think he wants all the money. I think he wants the ruble's. And and and he would love to be in China. He tried really hard. He learned Mandarin for God's sake. And then speaks pretty well. Yeah. And and it didn't work. And so now he's trying to get credit for saying, oh, we're not going to work with those Chinese, you know, the totalitarian countries. Anymore? It's a it's a distraction an designed to make you feel comfortable about him becoming we chat and really controlling everything. That's what I think. All right. We have polar. Opposites Paris is in the middle. On that note. Mike, it's not even that new announcement. What was it at the end of January Zachary had announced that he was planning on merging, Facebook, messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp into one large pool that was encrypted which is essentially the exact same description as what he laid out in this post, albeit with more detail in three thousand more words, it is the logical business decision because gen Z and people of that age. They don't go on Facebook. They're probably going to get tired of Instagram by the time they have purchasing power and are going to be moving. Our T have moved towards private communication as their primary social media platform and the writing is on the wall, and this is the best financial decision. And he is trying to spin it no way that sounds appealing to consumers and sounds like a privacy focused message and something that will distract people. Okay. But okay. And I acknowledged that could be the case in which I mean, delete my Facebook account again. But. But all encourage him to do the right thing. You know, he's got the the carrot. I mean, he's got the stick feeding him shouldn't. We put a carrot in front of them say. Yeah, mark. That's it. Keep going that way. This this is he's trying to bulletproof a company from being broken up. Once everything is connected to these encrypted. And then networks can't getting you think? Yeah. By the time, they get around breaking his like, oh my God. We can't break it up. It's also interconnected. That's all one basic platform by. So I'm not Paris. You you believe that this is a cynical play on Mark's part? I mean, I just think that if we are talking about privacy, the the issues the fundamental issues when it comes to privacy and Facebook is not any most of the things from a consumer facing perspective is a platform. It is a back end the advertising stuff, the tracking aspects of it, the shadow profiles, as you had mentioned before it is this whole other separate side of Facebook that Zuckerberg doesn't address in these sort of posts these sort of things that he is bringing up in his declaration such as the one last week is the consumer facing flat form Centric decisions, which are ultimately missing the fundamental parts of this conversation that we're trying to have so privacy and Facebook blog post is right out of today's Washington. DC was right out of Br Breitbart news or any of the any of the spin control mechanisms that have been cultivated over the decades. And now are in full force in Washington D, C N political speech, he's using them as a big distraction. He's trying to control the message around Facebook. Because it's gotten out of hand, an almost everything that Facebook has ever done that could be considered the right thing they've been forced by bad press to do those things. And it's like the this talk about giving them the benefit of the doubt. We've been giving him the benefit of the doubt for a decade. And he's disappointed us every time. I've never seen anything come out of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg that was like preemptively doing the right thing because it was the right thing. But couldn't it be the first time. No. I mean, there's there's no doubt that this is at at least also going to be making money. I think the reason why he's doing this is not because he's thinking, oh, we have to make humanity better. This is how right. You know? He he's I completely believe that he's seeing the writing on the wall. And he's thinking this is where this type of tool and platform has to go in order to survive in maybe even grow. But I do think that Mike, and maybe parents are being a little bit harsh you make it sound like he is some kind of mustache twirling evil. You know bond villain who's trying to enact the most amount of damage. He can I think he's looking at the industry and thinking, okay. Where are we going? How can I keep my business safe? And where do I make my money? There is I think a very little doubt that this is going to be from a revenue tench point. I'm sorry from a revenue standpoint a little bit more challenging to create revenue streams or he's going to have to switch a few things to to keep it working. But it doesn't mean all of this doesn't mean that it can't also have some positive effects, right? Or is it all Darkin and terrible. So it's it's not about mass. Dash I take a mess mustache twirling villain any day over Mark Zuckerberg. Because I I've I've I've given this perspective before I think it's very clear, and I'm not a psychologist. I just play one on TV that he's he's simply is amoral. He's in the same way that he's literally colorblind I think he's blind to moral issues. I think he just can't tell the difference between right and wrong. Although he, but he does want to be successful. And I think the the manifesto that he laid out in this blog post makes it very. Clear in this sort of like, wishy washy kind of a way that he wants to be we chat we chat is so dominant in China like, please everyone read up on the on what it's like to to try to live without we chat in China. You can't get by one point one point one billion people in China US. We chat. Everybody uses we chat, and that's what he clearly laid out that he wants to do. He wants these encrypted networks that are private to actually be the way you pay for everything the way th they. Yeah. It's your everything he wants to be bigger than the internet. He wants to put something. Detroit something bigger than the internet. It's not a one to one comparison China also controls what can exist in China. There's no competition which at is so big because it's the only thing there is never had. And I don't think it's there'd be a lot of competition in the US. But but the loading apples messages, there would be a competition, but the good old fashioned network effects is the is the very thing that makes we chat untouchable. You the makes the we chat absolutely indispensable, and he wants to be that indispensably possible. This is Judit SUV. I think that's kind of what you guys are saying which is Mark painted into a corner has decided to use the energy directed at him, and redirect it into something that an Ben Thompson has some good things to say about this. He saying this is both a good move for Facebook. And a good move for us. He says Facebook's getting its privacy cake and eating it too. He says stop expecting companies to act against their interest. Facebook isn't killing their core business? They're doing something that benefits it, but is not inherently bad for end users. It's freezing that a company can be instituting genuinely user-friendly changes like end to end encryption ease even as a furthers its own self interests. And then Scott Galloway who's been a very strong critic of Facebook since he wrote his book the four he says spoiler alert suck doesn't give a fart about your privacy. Never has never will. When Rohingya Muslims are attacked and a woman's right to choose as at risk because of a supreme court stacked by an illegitimate president elected by Russians. Who weaponize the big blue button is clear. Zach is pretty effing far from town called privacy. Well, written Scott, maybe a little bit invective. But so it's a judicial. So look I wanted to give I want and still want to give the guy the benefit the doubt. There's there's no harm to saying. Okay. Mark put up or shut up. You got a good idea. We like the idea. Let's see you do it. And then if he doesn't do it calling them on the carpet. There's no harm in that. Digits in the sense that he's got these guys coming at him. He goes hunting. And he turns all that energy into instead of breaking up Facebook or putting him out of business into oh, it's the new face. It doesn't matter. If he does what he said he would do in. That thing what he didn't say anything about are the issues that we're all concerned about he didn't say anything about the tracking. He didn't say anything about the shadow profiles. Like, it's not like he led us kind of check on it that it would be safe. He didn't say he, you know, he he took these side issues that people aren't really that concerned about and he said, oh, this is going to be looking pivot. In fact, like why did you get off Facebook? It's not because you didn't have an encryption now. Because I I didn't trust them. Exactly what my data. Exactly. And I think this this blog post is yet another reason to not trust them. It's dripping with with Seneca sleight of hand he's trying to distract everybody. From all these stories that are. Out got a search for Facebook on Google news. And look at the last month of scandals that have emerged on Google and see how many of those scandals he he even hinted at in two zero you'd have to get a come to Jesus moment said oh my God. I gotta fix this. This is a pure and simple. So I think that this move is ultimately beneficial because the crisis of moderation that Facebook has been facing for so long, this solves that because they don't have to have any more or less. Moderators? They it's encrypted and perhaps in the case of right now, I believe Australia recently passed laws saying that apps like what's happened things. Like that are not to build back doors in their encryption for law enforcement to get in India's planning on passing a similar law, and then okay law enforcement get in, but Facebook's hands are completely clean. They don't have to have anymore. Casey Newton articles about how poorly they're treating their moderators that have to look at pictures of dead people because that's on their issue anymore hook even was the row Hinga because well, I can't help it. If me and mar wants to send this we can't see it. We don't have to moderate because we can't he's trying to get credit for the idea that the they won't be able to read your message is your private messages. But what he's not saying is that, but we will have your phone number. We will know who you're talking to will know when you're talking to them. We know what you by how much you spent who you're hanging out with everywhere, you go twenty four seven, and we're going to sell that to advertisers. When a monetize the crap out of all of this stuff. Like he's trying to get credit for essentially a coup. He turned to like really take over the right now the internet like you used this service for paying for things. And that service, we have a decentralized still more or less internet in terms of the full breadth of services to be the sole source of information you saying trust me, let me run it. I can get trains to run on time. But everything you're saying he wants to do he could do it with an open public Facebook. Now there's too much criticism in exactly so sore. Sure. But it's it's if if there's criticism of the things that he wants to do they're still going to be criticism when he tries to become we chat in in three years with a end to end encrypted private messaging and hopefully parts of it will delay. He wants. Realized that it's Facebook intil, they're already using it for all services. I mean, the numbers don't realize that Instagram is Facebook is already part you high. He's leading users any wants to stop the bleeding while he rearranges everything I'm making it makes it so that is impossible for you to get off Facebook, and he'll deal. So he's he's succeeding. Didn't get me. I wind. I want to encourage him. I I gave him a Pat on the head. That's all I did saying, that's right. Mark good idea came up the good work comeback, and let's see it happen. And if it doesn't happen while I'll just leave. I'm not giving him more data. I can't believe I defending Facebook. You know, I can't believe I'm doing that. But don't we agree that end to end encryption at the very least end to end encryption is a good thing. Like it. Asking for it for everything, and he wants full credit for this thing that will have three effects it'll give give us private communication, which is the good thing that you're referring to number two. It'll make his company unbreakable and number three it'll allow him to wash his hands of all the child pornography and terror convince network while he runs off with a another one hundred billion dollars. You're right. Can't have it both ways either we want to win decryption. And I understand this as a small portion of the whole discussion we already have it Patrick. We have it. When you have it you have. And then encryption right? Yeah. But not on Facebook. We want face we want. What we're saying is the the lack of entertaining Christian is damaging to our privacy. We should have into ended Christian everywhere. Yes. And but between different lots and lots of companies interoperation with open standards for an corruption not one guy controlling everything, you know, and knowing everything everyone does. All right. That's the problem. It's not. Messages and a social network inter having this interrupt operability to where some fake news that you get in a group. What's that message can be shared onto your now? Private ended encrypted. Facebook group was twenty thousand other people and then spread from there to your Instagram chat that has like one hundred other friends all without being able to track it or see it. I think having this sort of giant walled garden will just make things speed up on a level that we are unable to comprehend and would be unable to even visualize. If all of it was completely encrypted, and we were stuck inside that system. So we don't want it to be. We don't want to. Messages. I think we want things to be encrypted, but in their own separates fears to wear not just one person owns the entire pot. That's I think what we should all want. So so now it's going to be an interesting conversation about what Senator Warren has to that. But before we do that. I just wanted to leave my Facebook a cashier hold on. You convinced me. Why should I why shouldn't enable this guy? You wanna watch me? Do it. You don't believe it. I was I was literally. So it would've it would've deleted everything. On March sixteenth. I was literally ten days away from Italy and everything, and I thought I want to give them a chance I want to give them is that. Act in your head just want to give them a chance. Leave Britney alone. Oh, I guess I'm just a fool. I'm just a you're just a very. That's the problem fool. You took me full me. Once Mark Zuckerberg. Shame on me. Fool me three thousand four hundred eighty two times. Mark Zuckerberg shame on you. Apparently, they're calling. His says, we're calling me don't don't call me Facebook go away. Mike. Do you have a Facebook account? I do and I've given myself six months to quit. So I'm I'm quitting fourth of July. It's a declaration of independence from face. Are you really? Yeah. But but until then every day, I'm going to try to convince everyone who follows me about my point of view about Facebook's. I'm like an insurgent on. To me into this. And you're not getting rid of your accounts. I mean, I it's. But I have to have it for in groups that I use for journalism and report on and being able to search trends that I right, of course. Yeah. Any everything about me? Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm not taking any it's more for, you know, the real the most important one was my wife wanted to have it says, she's married, but when I'm not on Facebook doesn't say who she's married to some guy, some guy complicated. And sh she wanted. You know that she'd be married to me. Okay. So reason for leaving. I have a privacy concern by really don't want you to leave give feedback. Let us know we can address it. No, no, no, no. Link to the show and always control the information. T- activating. No, I don't wanna de-activate. I wanted to lead it. Okay. Deactivate deactivating. Your can't watch this by the way because pretty soon. It doesn't the activate messenger. Though you need to activate now. But I thought I could delete this. How do I do? I mean, let me go back into lead it. Oh, look, I just reactivated it. But the health I didn't even click anything isn't the conventional wisdom that you shouldn't delete it because then somebody else can pose as you easily. So if you see me on Facebook, it's yeah, it's not it's not me. Oh here. It is permanently. Delete your Facebook account and information to keep message deactivate. Okay. No. I don't wanna know. No, I don't want any of that crap wants my password here. We'll just put that in. Thank goodness. I have last pass. I don't have to. I don't have to. Go away. I don't care just put the password in their last pass. Anyway, I shouldn't be doing this on your precious time. I apologize. I have I'm fine. This very entertaining. Originally. Love to watch people doing the one thing. Don't wish you do. But recant because it's your job here permanently delete your account. Once you submit you have thirty days. That's the problem. They give you that thirty days. So that then market put another post up, and I can say good. It's scheduled for permanent. Did I do anything? No, oh, I can't cancelled confirmed Lii. And here's this show me, my Calkins picture and say, Mike Mussina cry. It did this book if you want to cancel the Mike with tears in his eyes. Okay. Log out. I am no longer there. If you see my name on Facebook. It's somebody else I long ago deleted my Instagram on your profile. Congratulations. Leo your profile is now a shadow profile. You know, the funny thing right following the everywhere. But silently knowledge, I actually put Facebook on my phone and Twitter to and then like last night. I was looking at and say this is crap and I deleted it. Anyway. Because I I don't wanna see it. I just wanted to give Mark a little signal but Markham onto you. Yes. Little son of a gun. You thought you fool made in you. For show today. Brought to you by. Wordpress? If you are on the internet. Even if you have a Facebook account, you really need to have a website, you need to have a place that you own that, you call your own that you could put the best things about I in a way, I think the web is really the secret the antidote to Facebook, the free the open web, and where I hang my hat, WordPress dot com. My sightly a LaPorte dot com is based on WordPress dot com effect. I've been a WordPress dot com subscriber for twelve years, actually jumped on WordPress. 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That has San Francisco that's incredible ten thousand and already real estate, developers are drooling. She goes to a presentation by real estate specialist saying he asked the crowd. Are we going to see a one bedroom condo that's worth less than a million dollars in five years? Are we going to see single family homes selling for one of three million dollars? The the energy rose is he revealed more data about new millionaires. Just how few new units have been built for them. San francisco. Single family homes sale prices climb to an average of five million dollars. All cash. It's just going to be as downing. He said, and it makes me so sad for my little city by the bay which used to be a cultural mecca a place of diversity. And and it was interesting. Now, the diversity is either the very rich or the homeless. What about what happened hope that we're going to have hope this? No hope there's no why don't we talk me out of hope the crap millionaires in house the homeless. How about that didn't out? Was Seattle was going to do that. And they decided they were going to build a park had like food growing. And and I it was controversial because Seattle was going to put a head tax on the employee's United studies Amazon, the city council approved it, and then they the chicken you'd think Amazon would want something like. Dr employs would have a place to sleep San Francisco. Tried to tax the large tech giants a little bit in order to have that tax to the homeless in the city and Twitter. Yeah. Tech companies came out in full force against it was on the ballot. And you had all these big rich company. Ceo, you can't do that tax us. You mean the companies that control the secret algorithms that control what everybody reads those companies were against that's not a problem at least ten thousand millionaires. And it's just it's sad. I mean, San Francisco's just already it's kind of unrecognizable when I go there. It's not the city that I used to live should come to Paris, it Peres, much better and much more fun than San Francisco is going to be once they are all millionaires did pass though. Oh Carson prophecy passed on with sixty percent. I knew they put a lot of money against it. Jack today at long Twitter threat. Oh, why was against see? That's the picture Mark. Benny off of Salesforce who supported it, by the way to his credit. So it did pass three hundred million dollars a year. And that that's all going to go to the homeless. They're gonna have a pretty nice homeless shelter downtown. Yeah, they're going to build a palace for the. It's if you've been to San Francisco lately, it's actually it's it's difficult to go. There the aren't say party. I when I left I walked to Cal train. There's tents. There's it was unbelievable porta-pottys because their pooping in the street zoos ended audible, it's it's there's a huge. Yeah. I mean, one of the main reasons though, also when I took this job at Laird, I could have gone to San Francisco state here in New York. And I was like there's no way that I can afford to live in San Francisco or anywhere remotely close to it. I mean, not that New York is an expensive. But it's just going to get worse things something his his, let's stay Manhattan, right? Then his type of my coworkers. I know they like take the train for like an hour or two to get into the office. But this was part of that art Melis article, which is that the hipster broS who have the money. They wanna be where the action is. You don't wanna live at town not moving to mill valley. Let's talk we're going to get to we're going to get to Lisbeth Warren. But I wanted to get a few other stories in there you hard talking in your Elkin dot com blog post, Mike about apple self driving car. The news has been mixed about that Apple's laying off two hundred engineers from their self driving cars enterprise up. They're moving many others to other parts of the company. Right. What is apple are? They you know, we'd heard that they were at first going to build a car, then they had changed their plans and said, no, we're going to sell services. Yeah. But I've also quoted Eli Moscow said, you know, you really want to build a self driving car. You have to have both the data and the the hardware, and that's Apple's way. Anyway. Yeah. Control and profit from every voice jobs. Always well, Steve put it a little differently than evidence that if you you want to control the platform after the hardware and the software. He talked about cars and trucks. He literally meant cars and trucks. I basically what I do is. I bust ten myths around the apple car, there's a lot of growing around the. First one is the one you mentioned with the layouts are like, oh, they're they're over. Yeah. It's over. So that represents three point eight percent. Based on our best information of the people working on titan. The self driving car project at apple three point eight percent. When tesla lays off nine percent of the workforce people and go, I guess they're pivoting away from cars. That's amazing. That's only a few percent five thousand people in with an LA. Cow. Best information working on it, not over a full-time. But they have a lot of different things. The AI people are working on AI and also self driving car AI, the it's related harder design people. So the way, and so I talk about lots and lots of things people say, well, they're not going to manufacture cars. Well, you know, what guess what they don't manufacture phones? Either these a contract manufacturer there are in fact, there's one in Europe that builds and they have people for years ago. There was reports that about a dozen engineers from Magnus dire. I think it's called in Austria, we're working in their secret Sunnyvale facility that's four years ago. So there's no in. -cation that they have stopped working with Magnus tire. They will do a contract manufacturing vehicle, and there's also report coming out of Germany this week that they are not billing car, they're building a van, right? And that Apple's very focused on the air. You know for a living room a living room? Right. A content consumption experience on wheels. This is this is the vision. I think they're going to have here's a here's a little bit of tidbit. I I love because it was in black and white and almost everybody really missed it. Tim cook said an interview I think last year or or within the last year and a half or so that apple is looking at launching ride service. He essentially hinted strongly that they were looking at that as as a thing. And I think it makes a lot of sense if you think about a self driving car built and designed by apple or designed by apple with the whole apple content consumption experience apple virtual reality. That's coming in the future. Apple augmented reality. That's coming in the future, apple music. Apple this apple that it's like an Amazon Apple store. Yeah. And so I actually have some secret video from the Waymo project. I'd like to show you this is Apple's vision for the self driving car of the future. We're all going to be living in these chairs. Exactly. It's all apple the time, actually. Was a documentary. Now, I'm going to get taken down by Disney. So I'm going to stop. Anyway, the main point of this article is to bust the myths that there are things we know things we don't know. But there's a lot of misconceptions out there. And I wanted to clear them you did point out that the number of dissing, I guess apples the door. California's DMV report came out on self driving vehicles in the number disengagements for apple was so huge disengaged, which means a driver took over once every one point one mice that's way, higher than well way. Mos which strove for eleven thousand limos amazing. Yeah. So all the Twenty-eight car companies that have been given approval by the Californian DMV to test self-driving cars in California. Are they require all this data, and they make it public. So Waymo is way ahead of the pack in terms of disengagement ALPHA's. I mean adults. The bottom. Uber is like every half a mile or worse. Disengaging? What we don't know is why anybody's disengaging apple in a letter to the MVP said that they are very conservative on disengagements. So we don't know why they're disengaging. They probably just have this policy that it's like we are not going to have an accident. Like, no matter what we don't have an accent. That's job over. If you have the slightest doubt, that'd be that'd be my guess, the other thing is that Apple's disengagements have improved like by a couple of orders of magnitude from the previous year from two thousand seventeen to two thousand eighteen they've gotten way way better the that's another distraction because basically Apple's not trying to beat way Motta market, and they will not be way monta market, Apple's not gonna go anywhere near self-driving cars until they're ubiquitous I have to point out though, that there's no indication that apple might even product ties this they have so much money having twelve hundred full-time engineers working on something that they never released. Right. Nobody deal. Here's here's how to reverse engineer. Apples thinking on this everything. Apple does. Is either content is optimized for content consumption or content creation. Their trucks are content creation. They have a big expensive computers for people who make movies and things like that. And then the iphones and all the other products for content consumption and communication in the future. Self driving cars, we're gonna spend a lot and lots of time itself. I'm talking twenty years from now thirty years from now, we're going to spend a third of our lives in self driving cars, we're going to have hotel rooms on wheels. We will wake up in a different city. They went to bed and stuff like that. Apple can either let other companies control the profits from from this content consumption experience or they can control it themselves as apple executives have actually said. And I quote, a car is the ultimate mobile device. It's an inside out iphone on wheels is the way they're probably looking at it. Right. And when when when the car driving you around there's nothing to do except play video games watch movies. A number of big tech companies have been looking at this like what does to we put ads all over it? You don't need to look outside. Right. Right. And and apple and so I it's not even an individual car. Maybe it's a transport vehicle. I think it's lots of things. I mean the way I look at it. As a is that a a self driving car is a am I salmon like an airport or might just pick you up, and it might could be lots of things that are self driving cars a sandwich, the bottom chassis is like batteries with an electric motor on each of the wheels. That's come out of Taisel. And it'll be nothing. It's cheap etcetera. Everybody's doing the. Top slice of bread is the is the self driving car AI that like nah, enables you to navigate and stuff like that. What goes between that can be anything? And almost doesn't matter you'd be able to plug and play modules you you have a bedroom game room. This that doesn't matter. The point is that apple is the point is that there's going to be a lot of content in consumed in these vehicles because there's nothing else to do. And so the other question if you ask yourself is Apple's been on this trajectory of approaching and then declining from and then re approaching a trillion dollar valuation as a company are they just going to give up and lay down and go to sleep. Are they going to try to keep growing and what consumer product if people spend thousands and thousands of dollars on besides iphones and stuff? Like that cars. I have pictures shot in Cupertino through the trees of Apple's new living room vehicle. If looks just like Ted inflatable. This is sleeper. Just try desperately trying to get the podcast take it down. That's that's all I can do. All right. Let's let's controversy me. The next Laura. Luma stirring chain yourself to Disney's front front door. All right. Let's take a break. I want to talk about Elizabeth Warren how we can break up big tech. And see if this is at all as is this is a non starter. Or if this is at all reasonable, some people think it's a great Scott Galloway. 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The machines will turn out an entire Indian peo- starting with the. Starting with the entire Indian that would be very strange, if if they can cook, you know. Getting punchy. All right. Arbs? There are how many people running for president in the Democratic Party. It seems like fifty is quite a large number. There are some Republicans who've announced as well. Elizabeth Warren one of the front runners, certainly she has the name recognition wrote a post on medium. Well, it says team Warren, but it's by Elizabeth Warren. Here's how we can break up. Big tech twenty five years ago, Facebook, Google, Amazon didn't exist now there among most valuable and well-known companies in the world. It's a great story. But also one that highlights why the government must break up monopolies and promote competitive markets. Aren't we glad she writes that we now have the option of using Google instead of being stuck with Bing? Yes. But today's big tech companies have too much power too much power over icon me our society, our democracy, and then the price process, and I think this is maybe your most important point. They've hurt small businesses and stifled innovation. So she says her administration will make big structural changes to the tech sector to promote competition, including breaking up Amazon, Facebook and Google and in a conversation with Neil Patel later this week she said, and I'm going to put apple in there as well. You can read the arguments, you know, I think a lot of people will have a visceral reaction to this. I underlined important part of this as John Battelle. These companies would be prohibited from owning. And this is something I've actually always complained about with Google owning both the platform utility and any participants on that platform. It's always bothered me that YouTube was owned by Google. Yeah. And that YouTube results always showed up very high. There's even a bar of YouTube results on Google searches platform utilities. She writes would be required to meet a standard a fair reasonable and nondiscriminatory dealing with users. That's frand. That's a a little different. That's a patent. Dot a dogma platform utilities would not be allowed to transfer share data with third parties. I like that. So let's let's start with you Perez. Regardless of your political, bent is this viable is this to -able, I think that this is viable, and I think it's incredibly necessary, especially I think for coming from a platform in e commerce perspective. I mean, sure people think about Amazon as an e commerce company, and really Amazon is so much more than that. I don't think most people realize the arrest of Amazon as a company in the things that it touches. But I suppose if we're going to just look from the ecommerce niche, Amazon's a great example of why this is necessary in the fact that go search something on Amazon and probably something in the first three result. Top results is going to be a product from Amazon either an Amazon basics like let's say we searched for charging cables for your iphone. You're probably going to have an Amazon basics cable pop up or if not that Amazon has hundreds of private label brands something that doesn't seem like it's being sold by Amazon, but as many. Factured shipped and fulfilled by Amazon how the company does this is since it owns the platform. It realize, hey, a lot of people are looking for iphone chargers or dog hats or whatever we don't sell dog hats. We're going to make an Amazon label dog hat. So that we get both the ca- in addition to the commission. We'd normally make off a third party dog had being bought we get the entire price of it. We get the entire revenue from that. And Amazon has the power to direct consumers towards its goods and to sink its competitors down in the search page to page two which means no one will see it much less. If it was at page fifteen and these this sort of power is something that has serious consequences for small businesses in innovators because why would you if you are a small if you're an entrepreneur or small business? Why would you invest resources to trying to figure out? The next hot products that people are going to be buying online. 'cause they're going to have to go through Amazon and the minute your product ends up succeeded. Amazon is probably going to copy it and or push copy it, and then push you back second or third page or but shoot down to search result five, and you won't be making any money talks about the predatory practices Amazon. We'll use less with diapers dot com. A company comes along former I think it was a former Amazon employee said, I I know I'll just take a focus on diapers. Amazon amelie. Undercuts him kills his business and then buys it. But zeppelin hundreds of companies, I recently me and my colleague Louis met sock. As at the end of last year, we tried to put together a list of all the different companies that Amazon owned, and it was one of the hardest things that we've ever done because it's absolutely unreal. The hundreds and hundreds of companies that are Amazon and anytime something comes up that is a. Competitor towards it. If purchases it in India in Saudi Arabia, and other places Amazon has bought the Amazon equivalents and most recently India past one of the strictest ecommerce regulations aimed at breaking up the monopolies of companies like Amazon or WalMart when it comes to ecommerce. And even that has kind of only had mixed facts on the company it's required Amazon to reduce its stakes. How much owns of these third party entities that it sells on its site. But still Amazon has so much market share. That's able to kind of get around even some of the strictest regulations. So it's kind of algorithms Leo downplayed what they did undercut pricing. Sounds like oh, they have competitive pricing. No, they were using really sophisticated algorithms to in real time undercut the price of literally every product on diaper dot com to always be lower. No matter what no matter how much money they don't care about losing money. They're making money in other places. And it's like literally they could just drive any company out of business monopoly use of monopoly put on steroids because it's all algorithm. Making you know now, they have AI that he says he says Amazon makes all almost all of its profits from AWS, and it has a total stronghold on the cloud services market. It can sell everything on Amazon and generally does for a loss if it wants to and still be able to make entrepreneur she says, we would spinoff Amazon's marketplace Google's ad exchange. Google search they would be called platform utilities Amazon marketplace in basics Google's ad exchange in businesses and exchange it'd be split apart. Google search would have to be spun off she would take. She was split off zap does and whole foods from Amazon she would. Unwind the Facebook acquisition of what's happened Instagram. She would take away Google's ways nest and doubleclick which is their ad platform. She says unwinding these mergers will promote healthy competition in the market will put pressure on big tech companies be more responsive to user concerns about privacy. I have to say my first reaction was. Oh, hell, no. Because it feels like you're I think we have this in this country. Sometimes you're punishing them for being too successful. Saying is is that what went wrong the tree got too big. But I have to say the arguments, you just gave Pariser really perfect example of why it's not good for suss ID if a company owns too much and gets too big. But it's worse than that. Because as was alluding, the the problem is that our laws are based on a world where okay. So, you know, there's a company and you buy products from them. And if they get too big, and then you can break them up. And then, you know, it's like it's a one to one relationship between the customer and the company. In this case, there's no there's no pressure that the public can put on on Amazon when they don't even know that the companies they're buying from our Amazon when they don't understand that the prophets. They make from AWS are enabling them to lose money on all kinds of markets until they crush it in which case the and at which point in time, they raise prices there was a study done where they did this in certain narrow academic markets for books where they basically undercut these books in to the point the publishers that they were competing with to the point where the publishers went out of business and as soon as the publishers went out of business, they quadruple the prices right for that category. I mean, that's the kind of even if they don't do it. They have the power to do it. And should they have the power to do it, and that's problematic? She also says my proposals won't solve every problem. We have with our big tech companies. We must give people more control. This is what we were talking about earlier about how their personal information is collected say shared and sold and. Do it in a way that doesn't lock in massive competitive advantages for the companies that already have a ton of our data. Let's ask socialist Europe. What it thinks this? Hasley? I'm not even I I'm very surprised first of all that she would make this essentially her platform. I did think the US was ready to consider this idea. I'm also very surprised that you all seem to be in favor of it. That's another thing. I wasn't expecting. But overall, I'm not sure that how doable it is. But I think it almost doesn't matter the the key. Takeaway, I have from this is that this is now in the conversation. This is a concern for the American public for the American political scene. And even if it doesn't happen, even if he doesn't become the democratic nominee, even if he doesn't even if he does, and he changes things one she actually gets into office. It's kind of putting it in the public consciousness in a way that I think until six months ago would have been unimaginable may be going back a year, and until she actually put it in that medium post. I don't think people would have think was possible so shot that conversation. Yeah. That's a great point over so many Overton windows are being shattered in American political. The Overton window is the is the range of topics that is socially acceptable to even Braise an and question. Yeah. And you know, a few years ago, you couldn't even suggest something like this. But now everybody's taking it seriously. And you know, the chances that Elizabeth Warren will become president in this end twenty twenty you know, I don't know what the chances are. But it almost doesn't matter because this help her Democratic Party platform. So even even it might end up on the platform. Does it help them? Or does it hurt them? I think it helps him because I think America in the majority supports. Ideally, I think I think that's. It's probably true. What what Americans are not thinking a lot about on the other hand just to play devil's advocacy. I mean, personally, I agree with Patrick in the sense that I don't care if they if they break up Facebook, and our some of our other an an Google and some of our beloved companies, apple, etc. A lot of people's instinct instinctive reaction say I love the products. I love this company. I don't want them to be harmed. But you know, it's gonna you know, if there were three apples that wouldn't be terrible. And all the shareholders would now be the owners of three that actually could create more. I mean, alphabet did it voluntarily sort of. But but the larger on vacation is that these companies are global giants. I mean, Facebook Google Amazon's becoming a global giant apples, obviously global giant somebody's going to be a global giant. And if we dismantle the American global giants than the Chinese global giants are going to become the new giants and. We got to think about whether we want that. And I wish Europe would step up in terms of there's so much technology in Europe. But they're the funding and other cultural aspects of the startup culture aren't happening. So where's the where's the French Google? Where's the German Facebook? Whereas hit why is there? I mean, there is a friend yet or cells. Yeah, we all scar cells that that question all the time. I think there's. This. I have no idea what I'm talking about. But I think there is a lot of market size that is problematic in Europe. Even though we tried to create a single market, and we have in many ways, the language barrier is one thing then even with the harmonize ation of laws. There are still variations we with different parts of the EU in the US, and in China, you can start your business and immediately have access to what is two hundred fifty million customers. It's a bit more complicated for us. So I think that plays into it. I also think as much as it pains me to say it, our our tax regimen. Or however, you want to call it is maybe a little bit less friendly to aggressive enterpreneurship that's possible. But. The we have now lived in a world where we have, you know, the as we call them in France, the gab so Google Amazon Facebook capital in Microsoft are ruling the world. We know what it looks like we know what the positive things are. We know what the negative things are. I think it would necessarily be a horrible thing to try out. Try breaking them down. And seeing what happens, and maybe it would open up. We were a little bit slow in Europe and in other countries to get on the internet train. And that's and maybe it was too late. You know, when when the things we realized and the companies were already there and choking, everyone the the competition out of everyone else, maybe that that could reignite a little bit of competition in other countries as well honesty. I don't know what would happen. But I think we know where we are now. And there are some I could be convinced that it could be that it we should try it out. I guess I wonder though, if we're just turning America into Europe. Is it is that sorry, I jumped on this because I know that there's this fear of Europe, and and the way things function here, and and, you know, people call solo socialism, which actually on the fetus club another show. I do sold from Venezuela said socialism doesn't really mean anything anymore because they did compasses everything from, you know, Cuba too. To Sweden, right? Socialism doesn't meaning thing. So when you're talking about Europe, you're really Tokyo, socialism in Europe or social democracy, it still the open market, you you still have like, it's the sensually, California, more or less. His you're talking about higher taxes and a safety. Nets. Text. Doesn't doesn't to socialism? Technically government ownership of major right? Which is why it doesn't mean anything. I mean, you're I mean. Yeah. Some of the Scandinavian countries that are constantly being called socialists are super capitalistic super taxis. And there's a safety what I meant by that though is the the the kind of anti entrepreneurial climate, and you what you left out of something Loic Lamar has always been known to French entrepreneur who lives in the US is just the lack of a venture funding economy and culture in Europe means it's hard to get a startup because it's hard to raise the money, and and also a somewhat of a culture that fears failure in a way that supposedly Silicon Valley does not more culture. Culture. But but what my point was not so much that it's just that. Let's not doesn't. Here's what I think the risk of what Warren is proposing. An is is that we will create an environment much like Europe where it it. It's harder to create a giant. We discourage it, but then there are countries who don't discourage it like China, and all of a sudden Alibaba dominates world commerce and all of a sudden by do becomes the world's search engine slash advertising engine because they don't stop there capitalistic enterprises oddly enough, even though they're a communist country. I mean, isn't that a risk that we could? And and and of course, in a lot of very wealthy people will say and also disincentives us to create big successful companies because we know you're just gonna take it away from us if we get too big. Go ahead perils. No. I I mean, I suppose that is a risk. But there is these arguments were also made when the breakup of standard oil was under consideration, which of course, did set off a large chain reaction of increasing anti-trust legislation and and like company breaking up decisions from the supreme court, which eventually created the backlash of deregulation. That led to these tech giants if you guys haven't listeners haven't listened to it planet money NPR's, a podcast at a really great three-part up podcast special on antitrust goes from standard oil to the backlash the tech giant's of today that is so vent, and it covers all this in depth, which is really aptly time for the little Warren announcement. But I think that we're at a point where current antitrust legislation. And the mindset in among these regulators is less about actively kind of policing. These kind of collections of power that previously would have thought of as meeting regulation, and it's more about is there any physical sign that this is negatively impacting consumers in a way. Like, oh, can we look at it? And see we're getting worse prices on goods that we buy his Amazon exists that doesn't take into account the kind of new reality where these things are not as easily. They're not as transparent, we can't see what competition would be like if we didn't have Amazon because Amazon is the reality. And I guess in the same regards to search engines and Google or Facebook, and Microsoft, it's kind of created a bubble that we live in where there's really no argument otherwise. I think there's this conversation. I mean Peres seems the most convinced that maybe it would be beneficial to break them up. I think Mike, and I are maybe on the fence, maybe you to Leo. But I think this conversation is a conversation that can happen. Most people that would say, oh, this would be absolutely terrible. And this, you know, this is this party saying this or that party is not looking at the situation as it is. There are big companies. And then there are companies that are literally we we have a saying French. They're they're doing the rain and nice weather like, basically, they're controlling the world. They are not just becoming these. They are gigantic, and they have influences in every aspect of the economy our lives, the Belichick. Life everything. And I think if you look at this, and and don't even stop to think about that question. Should we break them up? Then your reasoning is not motivated by cold look at the situation. It might be motivated by some you know, political dogma the conversation is the question are valid to to ask him to discuss. Whether or not the the answer is absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. No. I don't know. But we're in the situation where this is something that should be discussed and Patrick, right? I am on the fence. I'm I'm both against it and in favor of it. And I'm not really, it's a complicated issue. But let me put on tin foil hat for second. And just ask a rhetorical question. Let's say we are in twenty twenty. We have a Republican who's dead set against breaking up the social networks, and we have a democratic candidate. Who says when I'm president? I'm going to break them up. What would it take for Facebook to tweak their algorithms show? The Republican was elected. Oh, lord. Yeah. Would we just funnel millions of dollars in to that candidate? Elizabeth Warren, just guaranteed. No checks from Google Facebook. My career actually had a town hall within Facebook before the two thousand sixteen election. And a lot of Facebook employs were like we can't let Trump become president. We're let's let's fix this. We have the power to just like how the other person be president. And they thought about it, and they discussed it and decide is narrow that's tariff. So it's like, you know, that's the best argument for breaking them up. Yeah. That's too much. Also, an argument that it might be too late. Yeah. Right. I, you know, my only concern is I is actually the political concern. Whether it's it's too fast too far for the American people. And you know, I feel like the Democrats are emboldened progressives or emboldened by Trump's presidency and hoping that a reaction they'll be such a reaction against Trump that they can. Finally, get through a bunch of progressive legislation. That's been stalled for decades. I think that's right. I think it may be a mistake. It might actually be the wrong thing to do. And I I just don't I don't know. There's a possibility. There's a possibility that this could be a viable platform for conservative candidate as well. Given the current generally conservative backed like moral crisis over the power of tech giant's. I was I have a feed on my silly twenty-seven. Call tweet deck thing of people on the right wing conspiracy watching world and a lot of them were at CPAC. And we're talking about. I don't know if you saw there was one CPAC panel that was called like blocks a conversation on center. This panel has been blocked by Facebook or something like that a conversation about censorship. And this outrage is a no more present than it is in the in these conservative circles when it comes to the power of big tech. This is the largest bogeyman, and I think as it should be across both sides of the aisle, the idea of regulation, and and an overbearing government as it faces. Corporations is kind of a twentieth century argument to what's actually happening in real life with. You like it or not and regardless of which side of the political spectrum. Anyone is on there's a huge balance of power being shifted from governments and the public to corporations and a and a bunch of billionaires who individually haven't wield enormous power. Jeff Bezos has the Washington Post NS based program the individuals have more power now than we ever even imagined. And it just going to continue and continue. So I think this is one of the first examples of a clumsy attempt to deal with the fact that corporations are becoming more powerful than government. And I and I think from a big picture perspective we have to deal with the really larger issue. It's not just tech companies. It's corporations in general running the government and having more power than the government. And what does that mean for the power of the people if we believe in democracy? Is challenging and I and as a tech lover and a tech journalist, my first reaction was Har. Yeah. But on the other hand, I there may be the only reasonable way out of what is clearly a problem a bind we've gotten ourselves into. And I think that's one of the reasons Mark Zuckerberg wrote his blog posts. Yeah. But you're right. They have other levers they can pull that are much more devious nefarious and scary, Patrick Beija from French spin dot com. It's great to have you on. We're not wrapping up quite yet. But we're almost almost done. Don't worry your long nightmare is almost over. And I wish I could send you a rotea. Our audience is eating these dry pieces of flat bread printed practically on a three hundred gamely forcing them down forcing them down. We will be coming beverages. If a child also three D printed. Peres Martineau from wired. So great to have you. Mike elegant peripatetic digital nomad. Great to have. You our show today brought to you by and I'll give you all chance. Think about what you wanna plug. I'll give you a chance to do that in a minute. 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They'll know you heard it here this week in tech fresh books dot com slash twit. Your thirty day trial awaits and we thank fresh books so much for supporting me back in the day, and our podcast all these years. Fresh books dot com slash twit House Democrats plan to put out legislation to reinstate net neutrality. It probably doesn't have a chance in hell. But Patrick told me not to say that. Well, that's different. It's it it wouldn't pass because politically has his. Vote. Yeah. And by the president and cetera. But it would be nice. They said it actually did vote in may to reinstate net neutrality rules. So it's possible. There are enough votes. There what we need above all is to have the rules. Not change every time. There's a new president. Yeah. It'd be really nice to set them in in congress really can decide on this. Because congress tells the FCC what to do the FCC's mandate comes from congress almost always when these things happen. The FCC says well, just at if you want this tell congress, right? Get them to set the rules, and then we can go ahead and enforce them. So I just wanted to let you know. Right. Your member of congress because I'm sure you all green neutrality is a good thing while away a little pissed over the US government's ban on while way. And in the five G networks, they're suing. They had a press conference Shenzhen China. The lawsuit is being brought in where you might ask the eastern district of Texas it that we're all the patent troll yet. Also where while ways US headquarters is low and that's where apple moved their apple store away from to punish them apple move both. It's apple stores away from the district. So that they wouldn't have any presence there. Yeah. Yeah. Not to punish them. But so it doesn't cover what you like Roti, Mike. Sure. I I would love one. Thank you. Perez. Would you like me to mail you a Rhody? Yeah. I'll keep an eye on my. They are perfect each. And everyone a perfect example of what a Roti could be do you have anything besides Mexican food? Tortilla, although we'll make tortillas it will make pizzas it will make any kind of flat. And it turns out. Thanks. I am I literally off carbohydrate. It turns out that every culture has its own flat bread. I believe perfect fan. It's the perfect food is. So how is yes. Sorry. I would I was getting back to Hawaii. I is. You want to talk about tax. Because I have I have a show to record in a couple of days, and I have no idea what twice suing the US government for. I mean, I know why they're pissed, but how are they what argument are they bringing forth if you could break my show for me. That would be great. I will tell you exactly what why deputy chairman Guoping said that no evidence had been presented for its ban on wall way products. And that's it was unconstitutional. In other words, they just said look, we don't think it's safe. So you can't use it. In band prevents us from serving our US customers says well, why damages our reputation true and deprived of an opportunity to serve customers outside the United States, it violates separation of power principles breaks, US legal traditions and goes against the very nature of the Hugh constitution. I guess they have a point the funny thing is, of course, the origin country of while way. Doesn't play by those rules Bill. I hear the quo paying also stands during the national anthem. I'm told with authority. So I if I if I may have a prepared statement about why thank you. There's a lot of conversation about how it's unfair and how there's no evidence everything they say is complete BS. And here's why they're say, oh, we wouldn't do such a thing. We haven't done such a thing. It doesn't matter. The Chinese communist party, the Chinese government wants to take control of whatever they're doing with their five gene networks, they will. And they can country. In order to steal territorial waters. Right. We all know that that routers, and network acquaintant -ment like five G, whatever, they call them, switches routers. Yeah. Yep. These things are constantly being software updated. That's software updates can have any sort of payload. That's right. If those are coming from Beijing and the Chinese government where in a conflict with them in the future. They would they could just have access to all internet traffic. They could shut anything down. They could do any of these things. I think every I personally support the US government on this score simply because I don't trust the Chinese government. And I think they're a little too eager to own all the five G equipment in in the future. That's just such a choke point on the whole world's information infrastructure and ida's don't like them having that kind of access. So this is reasonable risk assessment. It seems like that could be a strong argument in the lawsuit right there that seems like a an actual. Argument that could be heard. Yeah. So we shall see. Yeah. I yeah. I mean there is there is a dearth of evidence that while ways doing anything now. But as you point out that doesn't have to be because they would have to do speaking of monopoly. Amazon is teaming up with the Yankees Sinclair broadcasting and others to by the Yankees sports network from Twentieth Century, Fox, they infect somebody said, and I think it's probably true. I think it was on MAC break weekly. It was Alex Lenzi. Who said you ain't seen nothing yet? When the NFL major league baseball, NBA contracts. Run out broadcasters are going to face outside bids from Netflix, Amazon Google Facebook. That goodbye television rights, they're all going to go to tech companies. Yeah. 'cause 'cause NBC CBS ESPN they just can't they just can't compete. I'm finding the cash it's slightly cheaper for these companies to simply by the TV networks. You know, that it just do that just do that apple personally could by Hollywood. Yes, right. They have more money than Hollywood's worth. Eze Lon in trouble again. I don't know I feel bad for Ilan because here SpaceX to this great thing with the dragon crew rocket. They successfully got it to the space station. It's going to be coming down that should have been the headline. Instead, it's Ilan getting fined by the SEC again. Also, he's being investigated because he has government contracts and any smoking pot weed. Yeah. Look rights crystal match at Bloomberg just quit tweeting. Okay. Investors suit, tesla and musk again, saying his refunding part of this is that I think what was it on in Jack's Twitter threat for CARA Swisher. Maybe it was a different interview. Somebody asked him who's the your ideal of the best? The. Musk is the prime ideal of a good, Twitter user. I'm like, what are you thinking about your platform? I mean, I guess he pissed good for Jay headline. Jack is for anyone else. It's not good for tesla. Not good for us in our sanity. So the lawsuit which is from the labor is district council and contractors pension fund of Ohio wants to enjoin alon- to permanently block Musk's unchecked. Use of Twitter. To ban them from Twitter. Yari is paid forty million dollars in fines for tweet on an interview with the attorney. The attorney appointed to be his Twitter center. A look into that person's life has got to be a hellish. Yeah. The SEC as to judge to find him in contempt for violating the settlement by failing to clear, February tweet with the attorney appointed to be his Twitter sitter. This guy. Do you know what's ironic that Ilan has a Twitter sitter, but nobody can stop the president from tweeting, right, buddy. Maybe he needs a Twitter sitter. Our governor sation they are. But, but I think the, quote, you're talking about about Ilan moss came from Sam Harris, if I'm not mistaken, and they also talk about about Trump's tweeting and how you know, he violates terms of service at cetera. And the argument was that. Well, we take into account newsworthiness the president United States. Yeah. Says in public is news worthy and therefore that. Absolutely. Well, and it should which is if you if you want to talk about weasel ways leading out of, you know, something that response us newsworthiness, but the reality is you can't get away with, you know, banning the president of the United States from, Tori. That's the problem. It's not about arming everybody. Will you know, critics want that to happen? But they all you have to say is he's the president. Yeah. Besides if you're if you, you know, for critics of Trump all that stuff. He says on Twitter that's all going to end up in the indictments. I mean, half the material. In the cases against you. Honestly, that's the Twitter should or should sitter should come from approach people because he he's anyway. Anyway, let's not get political. I think we can wrap this up. You guys are a great panel. And I brought the biggest stories I think in some respects of the year to you, and you handle them with aplomb and intelligence, and I always count on that. It's so great to have you. Paris Martineau is a staff writer at wired. Her byline is always worth reading at wired dot com. I paid for my subscription. Just of you pair just for you. Yes. Just having address. Yes. Anything you want to plug. You doing a podcast anything you want to tell the time. Yeah. Is probably my Twitter handle. On the screen. I I've been tweeting a little bit less than usual as of late mostly because I've been working on this big investigation, the past two months that I can't exactly say too much about except for that. You'll probably hear him when it comes out, and it will hopefully be next week or this week. 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You're really doing great stuff. I have to say that one of the best podcast networks out there. French spin dot com for the French. Thank you for the Franco phone, Frenchman dot F R, and I my French still rusty, but I think you would translate the Honda tech as a hot date with tech. Is that right? Exactly. Exactly. Absolutely. What is heck hot date describe this week? In tech is odd every Sunday. Mike Algan, thank you for being on this date. Don't forget gastronome dot net and the upcoming events still some time to sign up joining us in Mexico and Morocco can I plug one other thing. Yeah. So my son Kevin Algan is in the house. One in the family genius show that entrepreneur he's gonna he's creating a revolution in technology education for kids. You got a smart speaker that doesn't track kids that they build themselves physically. It's a it's a it's a cardboard thing. And then they they teach it to talk at demystify. Oh, that's great. 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When your phone links you to a crime

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26:59 min | 1 year ago

When your phone links you to a crime

"Hi I'm Arial Dome. Ross the host of reset and I am officially back from vacation which is great and also weird. Because I'm recording this audio from the closet in my tiny apartment in Brooklyn instead of our lovely studio in Manhattan because of the novel Coronavirus Pandemic. The folks at Vox media have decided that it would be better for us to work from home for the time being so if things sound a little bit different that's why now given everything that's going on in the world we're definitely going to keep covering the corona virus pandemic on this podcast but we're not. GonNa lose sight of other important news stories as well so with that in mind. Here's Today's episode. So it's around four thirty in the afternoon. I think I had to maybe work at six that day. This Zachary McCoy he's thirty years old. He lives in Gainesville Florida where he rides his bike a lot and works in a local restaurant but in January of this year something really random. An unexpected happened to him. So you know just getting ready to get dressed and head out for work and I pulled my phone off the charger. And you know I see the icon for the notification from g mail that I have email and it was an email from Google. It said more or less than these words We have received legal process from the Gainesville Police Department Compelling the release of information related to your account and then it just gave me a case number and then it basically said you have seven days to take counter legal action or your information will be turned over the law enforcement and that's all it sets. My immediate response was that I thought it was a scam as like. This can't be real then it was and then. I was completely at a loss. I didn't know why the police wanted into my account. What happened is accurate. Took almost two months and thousands of dollars to deal with John. Choubey an investigative reporter for NBC News broke the story. He panics a little bit. He also goes to his roommates tells them what happened and they suggest trying to go online to get some clues and fortunately for them. Florida being a place where there are very liberal public information laws. You can just go on the gainesville. Police Department's website type in a case number and see what that case number refers to and so that's what they do they go on there and see a one page document that refers to an investigation of a burglary. That had happened in. March of Twenty nineteen so nearly a year earlier and as they look through the very few details at our on this one page investigation report. They see that the burglary happened a little less than a mile from where they all lived and then things started to become a little bit more clear for Zachary. The police used data gathered from Zachary's phone to place him on a suspect list and these data were handed over by Google so today on the show how law enforcement is using a new type of investigative tool using the location data from people's phones. And what that means for folks like Zachary or for you and me. I'm Jim Ross. This is reset okay. So Zachary McCoy is being investigated by the Gainesville police and he still doesn't understand why. So what happens next? Is You know I talked to my parents about it? And they're like well you know. We know you didn't do this. And we don't want you'd accidentally get caught up in something because you didn't have legal representation. They find a local lawyer in Gainesville. His name is Caleb Kenyon and he has to do a little bit of digging. Detective work himself to figure it out this is John Again. The reporter from NBC. So Kenyan starts asking around on this serves and asking colleagues. It takes them a bit but he gets in touch with a lawyer. Who has heard of this before and this lawyer tells them. Hey this is a geo fence warrant Caleb Kenyon and his client Zachary McCoy had no idea. What did you offense warrant is and this is what they learn in. This is a with the stories about is a GEO fence. Warrant is a request by police to Google when they have no leads on a crime and what it does is it asked. Google to provide all the location data for any device that was near the crime scene around the time of the crime occurred and then hopefully get leads from that information and zero in on a potential suspect and so the police had gotten a list of all the devices and they saw that I had passed by three times in one hour and so they assumed that I was burglar casing the House. And that's when they got the search warrant for my account so why did Zachary passed by the house three times in such a short period on the day of the burglary? I ride the bike for exercise Probably like around three or four times a week and I use run keeper to track the distance of my bike ride. Run keeper is a fitness out And then I would enable the Google location services which allows front keeper to use my gps data and then it will tell me how far I went The duration of my activity so they saw that I was three times there in the area in. So yeah they thought it was casing the place and I'm not a detective but in my opinion I kind of feel like that was some pretty shoddy detective work I mean. What kind of detective doesn't realize that people ride bikes through a neighborhood? I mean I understand them having to investigate this everything but they really they. They rolled the dice on this one in the burden was left completely on me Told the attorney that he's like he's like well that's that's not good in. It just looks really bad that you were there when it happens so he ends up filing the motion to quash which was the counter legal measure that he needed to take for the search warrant. The police had and that sets off a fight in civil court intellectual county over this warrant. This happens very quickly. And at first the city of Gainesville being represented by the local state attorney's office puts up a fight and insists that this is a valid warrant and is needed to solve this crime but once they start pressing for more information about what kind of information has been provided or requested of Google the city and the State Attorney's office drops it drops the case they just dropped the case. That's what they do. Is They back off on the warrant with the Detective Tells Caleb? Zachary's lawyer is? We don't think that your client is a suspect. So essentially caleb gets assurances from detective that Zachary is essentially Scott free. So basically what you're telling me is the same data points that made him a suspect then. Exonerated him yeah. That's one of the ironic aspects of this story. Kind of seems like a huge waste of time to be perfectly honest. Well in my opinion it appears to me that they used the Ju- offense warrant in an overly aggressive way without Foley thinking through what they're going to get from it so in the end it was a waste of time completely. Even though Google handed over the data that put him on the polices radar. Zachary says he doesn't blame the company he also told me he might use run keeper to track his bike rides again. Obviously you know I was using that technology the way it was intended and I was. You know I agreed to let Google track my location so that can do how long bike rides were I'm really kind of more upset. Law Enforcement Just because I could totally understand them using this technology for certain crimes but an old ladies engagement ring getting stolen. I think that it was really haphazard on their part and I think that maybe there should be like a code of ethics in law enforcement as to win. They'RE GONNA use this type of technology because it's a total invasion of privacy after the break. How exactly did law enforcement zero in on Zachary of all people? And how often is this stuff happening? This is reset. Hello this is Jesse David Fox. I'm senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director. We listen to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pin in the ped- physically write down everything. I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. That's what I live for. There's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you learn from this? What was your takeaway? Nothing guy and not. I'm not a good one from vulture and the VOX media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcasts. Do not use the PUCK is separate. Oh what a great question Jesse David Fox if you use Google services if you have location data on your phone while you're using Google maps which is pretty much essential or if you use other types of Google products and have location data turned on. Google is receiving your information about where you are. This is even more so true. If you have an android phone which runs on Google software. John Choubey crime reporter for NBC. How did the police zero in? On Zachary why him when the police submitted a Japan's warrant to Google the I was to ask for a non my data for any device near the scene of the burglary. And that's what they got. From those devices they zeroed in on one in particular. Didn't know whose it was because it was anonymous data but they saw one that they wanted to follow up on so wait so they get a bunch of anonymous dots on a map. Basically right through time and those dots what are assigned a number so they can follow that dot along its route. Is that it. That's more or less. You're correct okay. So with that I request. They can sort of pick out. Would they think he's a suspicious? Dot is that how that works. Yeah I mean nobody really knows what the data that Google provides. Police looks like to be honest. But that's essentially what happens. We can infer that. The police get dots in numbers on a map and then look at what seemed suspicious to them and then follow up for more information. Okay so once they have this suspicious. Stott then presumably. The police has to go back to Google. And what are they asking Google for? Are they asking for name? Are they asking for an address? Like what exactly is the request. The request is we're interested in this particular device. Provide us with anything you can. That gives us more information about who this person is that can be a username and associated Email address that can be username or other types of Google services. It could be an address if they have information as well okay. Do they have to justify? That request is a judge involved in any of this. You know does Google just comply or you'd do they fight back There are several steps that are included in the Ju- offense warrant all written into that original warrant. That a judge signs and approves and the first step is the -taining of that anonymous data. The subsequent step is like you said going to Google and saying this is the one we're interested in give us more personalized information individualized information personal information about that who the person is behind the device if you will and so. That's all approved by a judge. I gotta say this is one of the weirder processes because it's not saying going to a judge in saying. Hey we have somebody who is suspicious. And we want their information. So let's go. Ask Your goal. It's going to judge in saying. Hey We know that. There's some information out there that might help us find somebody who we think might be suspicious. So can you just give us free range to get all that information within a certain timeframe that's the process right does exactly it it kind of flips on its head the traditional way that we think about search warrants in the traditional way? Police know who they're looking for and they go to the source of information that might be Google and might be a cell phone company might be a different type of company and say we need this information about this person. This is the complete opposite. It's like the mirror image of it. It's let's start with all these people all these devices. And then we'll figure out who we are looking at. And then we want individualized information for that person. So I mean I know the judge was involved in all of this so I am assuming I feel like I kind of know the answer to this question but is this legal. Yes a judge signs off on it and it's illegal but what's happening is these requests are coming in so much more frequently from police to Google. That they're getting a lot more scrutiny. These things often happen search warrants. These types of search warrants in particular are sealed to protect against the public. Viewing it so a lot of times. Nobody knows about this. Until all of a sudden somebody finds it. They're a suspect or defendant like Zachary but increasingly there is more scrutiny and defense lawyers and civil rights and privacy advocates are starting to stand up and say this is not right. This is illegal. It's violates the constitutional protections against unreasonable searches and seizures. Okay so this request. This all happens outside the public. I I'm guessing that that in order to justify though this has to be a pretty significant crime right a pretty big burglary right Was this was this big burglary. Like was this a big deal. No disrespect to the victim in this case but it was Some jewelry and cash worth a little bit more than two thousand dollars a street burglary and that in the scheme of things is not a very serious crime. Police who I've talked to who've used Joe offence warrants say they tend to use it on various crimes murders a string of shootings kidnappings sexual assaults. This seems to be a bit of an anomaly. In that Gainesville police tried to use it for burglary and that Kinda surprising people that I talked to law enforcement officers. I've talked to about this case in that. It seemed like a bit of a stretch to turn to something as serious as Gio fence warrant to solve a relatively run of the mill. Cry Okay. So these weren't there happening more often. Are People actually getting arrested from these? Occasionally they are yes. We recently wrote a story about a man in Virginia. Who last year was charged with bank robbery arrested in charge bank robbery in an investigation that began with Gio fence warrant? That covered the time of the robbery. The Bank Sometimes they don't result in arrests and generally speaking we don't hear about those are people actually solving more crimes from this. Is something good coming out of this? I mean that's what law enforcement says and I have no reason not to believe them that it is an important tool like all high tech tools that they use it's important to use it responsibly. And with a little bit of discernment I think this case about the burglary shows a little bit less of that you set. These warrants are becoming more popular more frequent. Do we actually have numbers on them? Do we know how often they they are being Issued in the US or even just in Florida. Yeah I mean this is not something that Google likes to talk about much but in this Virginia case that I mentioned they filed a brief kind of explaining a bit about how do offence warrants work and that was a good insight and within that they talk about how much more frequently they're getting these requests and they gave two numbers was from two thousand seventeen to two thousand eighteen the number of requests that they received for Gio fence warrants increased by one thousand five hundred percent in the following year from two thousand eighteen. Two Thousand Nineteen. Those requests jumped by five hundred percent. They didn't give the raw number so we don't know exactly how many but that's a significant jump in those two years that's a huge jump Do we know what happens to these data after their collected to the police. Just get to keep it. What happens if that's heard that? What what basically amounts to surveillance data doesn't lead to an arrest you know. Does the police just get to know where everybody's going? That's an open question. It's a very good question and I don't think anybody knows other than the police. Never got an answer from law force about how with it. They store this information on. Hold onto it because Attendant of criminal justice law is that if police are searching for one thing and they find something else. That's open for further investigation as well and so one could argue that it would behoove them to hold onto the data in case they feel like it might come in handy at a later date for Unin. Different case has google tried to fight back on this. Because you know when apple has been asked to unlock iphones for instance. It has fought back. So you know is Google just complying and saying? This is all fine. This is cool. Where do they stand on this? Google's public stance as with apples is that they tried to resist overly aggressive request of information about its consumers about its clients by law enforcement and so they say that they resist this but the reality also is that they comply a lot you can look up online their transparency reports that come out annually and there's hundreds if not thousands of various requests received from law enforcement and many of them result in Google Providing Information. But it's a hard balancing test for a company. I think you WANNA be able to help. The police catch people who've done very bad things but at the same time. You don't want to sacrifice consumers trust and that's what they're trying to balance and it's not easy. Are they legally required to comply with GIO fence warrant requests if a judge signs it? They're required but they can also fight it. I don't know of an instance in which Google has defied a GIO fence warrant. I think there's a give and take that happens behind the scenes As opposed to openly defying a lawful court order. Right I can see Google saying hey we are giving them a bunch of dots but there are anonymous and then the police have to come back and justify why they want the information specific dot at the same time. My guess is that even with these anonymous dots if Google doesn't help them in any kind of additional way. They could still narrow down a person's identity just by looking at their their frequent places that they go to whether their workplace or their home. We know that it's possible to narrow down A person's identity just based on the locations that they frequent so I gotta say I don't really feel like what Google might be saying in terms of justification is that this process is particularly protective of its users. You're absolutely right. And the police make that point as well and prosecutors represented to make that point in court that this is anonymous. Data consumers have nothing to worry about and the privacy concerns. Aren't as urgent as what defendants in. Privacy advocates are saying they are. Because it's that's it's exactly as you described it if you look at much if you look at one of these location histories of any one person or group of People. All plotted on a map. Like some of these. Ju- offence warrants provide. You can more or less figure out who these people are doesn't take much. So did the police ever identify the real culprit of of this robbery? As far as I know no they told Caleb Kenyans acuras lawyer that they were considering the case cold Not Solved and one of the few. Possibly the only answer to any question that I got from the Gainesville Police Department was that there have been no arrests mate so the case remains open and the ordeal that Zachary went through was kind of all for not when it comes to solving the crime. Yeah I mean this. This sounds like an incredibly stressful situation to go through. I can also imagine people who are on the side of if you got nothing to hide. What does it matter saying? Well the data did ultimately absolve him. So everything's fine. What would you say to that? Everything's fine in terms of he's not going to go to jail. But Zachary is acutely aware of the fact that he had to go to his parents. Who Don't have a lot of extra money to spend. They spend several thousand dollars on a lawyer. Who helped him get absolve? Did this and in the end also very aware of the original victim of burglary. Who's out a couple thousand dollars worth of jewelry and cash and they're still back at square one essentially and so. Everything's not okay in that sense. There's a couple of people here who are out quite a bit of money but also have experienced some level of trauma as well other than than whatever google was saying about this. Is anyone fighting back and trying to stop these types of warrants? The only place where this is really happening is within the courthouses and there haven't been that many cases which is why we at NBC News Felt. It was important to start writing about this. They don't bubble up because they're so secretive. Defense attorneys are trying to fight them if they know how. This is such a niche aspect of the law. Right now that a lot of times defense lawyers don't even know and just to be clear. Basically what you're telling me is that police departments in Florida and Over the rest of the US are probably just accessing this data on a regular basis and and it could be anyone information right. What Zachary's story taught me was how easy it was to do on a relatively low level crime and F. I just happen to hear about this case. There's got to be many more of them that we have not heard about John. Choubey is a crime reporter for NBC. John Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me today. It was my pleasure. Thank you reached out to Google and the Gainesville Police Department for comment on this story. They didn't get back to us by our deadline. And I'm Ariel Zim. Ross if you want to follow me on twitter you can find me. At Eighty R S. You can also reach the reset team by emailing reset at Fox Com. We publish episodes three times a week on Tuesdays Thursdays and Sundays. So if you haven't already scrapped the pod you can find us on apple podcasts. Stitcher or in your favorite podcast APP. And if you like what you hear rate and review us on Apple podcasts. It really helps. We'll be back on Thursday later nerds.

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Mac OS Ken: 12.06.2019

Mac OS Ken

17:32 min | 1 year ago

Mac OS Ken: 12.06.2019

"It is Mac. Os Citigroup upsets Apple Target Apple addresses location services and Taga by phones with no ports of entry. It's Friday the sixth of December twenty. Nineteen I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from macro West. Ken brought not you by yours. Truly and sponsored by Eero the home wifi system that goes anywhere and covers everywhere get free overnight shipping with offer code mcco West Ken at e r o hero dot com slash Mac. Os Cat this show is also cosponsored by squarespace. Your Place Online. I have another squarespace tale to tell from Alison pit site Daily Star Trek News Dot Com com a few weeks ago. If you search Google for Snoop Dogg like stories about the Rapper Snoop Dogg. The second search result result was Daily Star Trek News Dot Com. I won't tell you the Snoop Dogg story. You can search find yourself. I will tell you how it happen. 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This Christmas is different. Sounds like a tagline from a movie. Doesn't it maybe. A romantic comedy involving inexplicable doubles charming Prince or a horror movie featuring a department store Santa with a literal ax to grind. Well that could be a line from either either of those movies. It isn't the thrust of an apple note from Citigroup analyst dollar. Jim Suba the barons piece carried on the Nasdaq website beside quotes his note. Saying this Christmas is different for Apple. Apple's product offerings as well as pricing strategies in recent demand trends augur occur for a better Christmas quarter compared to last fiscal year when apple negatively pre-announced pre-announced Post New Year that. What is the second of January twenty nineteen apple was all like? Yeah about all that money. We thought we were GonNa make we miss that. Apparently though this Christmas is different wearables look good services. Look good saw good. As the kids used to say Suba used Thursday's no to reiterate his by rating on apple shares and raise his price target on the shares. A piece on Subas note from CNBC had him upping that target in a huge way from an underwater two hundred fifty dollars to an aspirational three hundred bucks. APPLECART may have hit. It's Pinocchio Moment. Turning into a real time credit card macrumors says Goldman Sachs backed apple. Styled card has started showing up on credit reports according to the Peace Goldman Sachs has confirmed that it is working with Credit Bureau Zero Trans Union to begin reporting applecart information informing cardholders that they will see full details on their credit report within the next five days. He's that includes the date. The Apple Cart Account is opened credit balance payment status and more after a few days of silence. Islands Apple has addressed unwanted location tracking concerns. I told you earlier this week of security guy. Brian Krebs assertion that iphone eleven pro rose seemed to be tracking location for certain features even when location permissions for those features were tangled off at the time. Apple said it was expected expected behavior and that pose no security risk which went a long way to pleasing no-one couple of days later apples out with more for details. Tech crunch. Has the firm saying that the location indicator has to do with the phones ultra wideband technology the cording to wikipedia. Yeah Ultra wideband is a radio technology. That can use a very low energy level for short range high bandwidth communications over a large portion of the radio spectrum. Ultra wideband has traditional applications and non-cooperative radar imaging most reason applications target sensor data collection precision locating and tracking applications according to tech crunch apples only stated us for ultra wideband currently as airdrop drop. That said a lot of people expect apples anticipated air tags to use the tech as well. There's just one thing ultra wideband. Technology technology is prohibited in sensitive areas hence the continued location monitoring an apple spokesperson told Tech Crunch. IOS uses locations caissons services to help determine if an iphone is in these prohibited locations in order to disable ultra wideband and comply with regulations. The the management of Ultra wideband compliance. And its use location. Data is done entirely on the device. An apple is not collecting user location data guardian firewall. CEO will stretch thinks that that actually sounds right on Wednesday straight edge took to twitter to say it is very very likely that this is something locally which does not have an expose switch no evidence of data center remote servers. He did wonder though why apple didn't say right away what was going on. Something Tech Crunch seems to wonder as well quoting their report. That absence of explanation only welcome speculation credit to crabs for reporting the matter. But Apple's delayed response made this a far bigger issue than it ever had the be. Meanwhile the has apple saying that it will provide a new dedicated toggle option for the feature in an upcoming IOS. Update does that mean a toggle to disable ultra wideband or a takahide location. Eros gods of the guessing game are are apple. Apples dream of carbon-free aluminum has met with reality. I download blogs as the company this week about the first ever commercial batch of carbon aluminum from the joint venture elise says Elisa's is a partnership of aluminum giant Rio Tinto and Alcoa Koa formed last year with an assist from apple getting carbon out of the equation revolves around a new patented technology to develop a carbon free Aluminum smelting process. According to the report I download blog says the news is a step in the right direction though steps to follow might be seen as slow while the new process can apparently eliminate direct greenhouse gas emissions from the traditional aluminum smelting process. It's not ready for everybody Dan. The peace says Alcoa and Rio. Tinto won't be ready to commercialize or licensed. The carbon-free smelting process until at least twenty. Twenty for more news in a moment but first a word from eero the home wifi system. That goes anywhere and covers everywhere. Some tech things take awhile to appreciate. Euro is not one of those things from the time you set it up which just takes a few minutes. Euro blankets your whole home with fast reliable wi fi killing poor coverage killing dead spots and killing. All that buffering plugged the base unit India router plug in beacon near any dead spots and those dead spots are ghosts by which I mean. They're eliminated eero fixed. 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We'll I'll have no ports at all no headphone port for listening and no lightning port for listening nor charging a completely lately wireless experience according to quo- which would mean air pods or some other wireless earphones would be required as what a charging matt of some kind right now. We can argue about whether we liked this idea. We could argue about whether it's likely to happen or we could wait a year and a half to see what does happen. I'm GONNA try that last one for apple's mobile video APP clips. I download bogs. Has An Emoji me emoji Mickey and Minnie have made the scene maker. There's also a new winter themed poster for folks in the Northern Within Hemisphere. I mean folks in the Southern Hemisphere can use it to though might be a bit non sequitur there the subject can do is pretty impressive. The peace says the new dot one release. Integrates the EMOJI that you've already created and messages. They now appear in clips. The amazing to me part I download blog says users can swap out different and EMOJI and a video. After it's been recorded stickers including the new Mickey and Minnie mouse stickers will follow the movements of your face if you place them on your face there's also the aforementioned let it snow Oh winter themed poster and another amazingly cool feature support for right to left languages including Arabic and Hebrew. It's a free APP so the update is free as well available for iphone six S or later running ios thirteen version two dot one of clips. CBS is available now in the APP. Store Apple Watch with cellular activity as conquering Middle Earth. macrumors rumors says such models of apples. chronometer have landed in New Zealand for the very first time supported by the carrier spark the the piece says apple has started selling series three and series five models with Wifi and cellular through its online store in New Zealand this week with pricing using starting at five hundred forty nine dollars New Zealand for series three models and nine hundred twenty nine dollars New Zealand first series by models moving over on the globe a bit in the head by about a month. macrumors says the flagship Apple Store in Sydney Australia is closing for a bet. The storage site says doors will close on the fifth of January Twenty Twani in order to bring the location creative updates the the P. says those are likely to include a forum and Video Wall for today at apple sessions while the genius bar could be replaced with the more casual genius Grove area area. During the closure apples directing would be shoppers to visit. It's nearby bond. Die Or broadway locations no word on when Apple All Sydney. We'll be back in business news of a much needed store update in North America. I'm Morris as Apple's new store in Toronto's Eaton Centre is set to open a week from tomorrow Saturday the fourteenth of December ever been to the Eden Center Apple Store. I've been outside of it twice. One of the busiest stores in any mall and one of the busiest malls in Canada. The current store looks like a store and more like a mosh pit. I'm more says the new digs cover. Roughly ten thousand square feet meaning. It will be twice as big as the previous store citing a report from nine to five Mac. The peace says the new store will feature a forum video wall avenue display shelving and a cleaner table layout it will also feature Toronto flooring and stonewalls. The store is expected to have been fully redesigned. Unlike previous candidate renovations where stores I kept their classic designs. Plus the great taste of Maple. Seriously Lick everything in. That store tastes great. That works all over Canada. Located near the Queen Street entrance to the mall new locale set to open at nine. AM local and finally today an update on that wicked rare floppy disk sold at auction. This week you know. The one the Macintosh the system tools Burson six dot zero floppy disk signed and black felt tip steve jobs yet when for more than I thought. I said Thursday that if I was reading the site right the three point five inch floppy sold for sixty seven thousand two hundred ninety two dollars. Well I could read but I didn't know what my ability to see. The price actually meant and sort of look like bids were still being taken though that seemed implausible plausible since the auction went live about six hours before I checked the price for Thursday show implausible though apparently not impossible. 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Thousands of Android apps have been tracking you -- Amazon and Google want even more of your data through their smart speakers -- New internet challenge wants kids to go missing

Tech News This Week

23:49 min | 2 years ago

Thousands of Android apps have been tracking you -- Amazon and Google want even more of your data through their smart speakers -- New internet challenge wants kids to go missing

"I'm America's digital pro Kim commando. Hey, and welcome to tech news this week where we give you just the top stories talk about the scams, the security Lert and just all the crazy happenings in the world of tech. Coming up thousands of Android apps or tracking you and unfortunately, there's not much you can do to stop it. And I might James were also going to tell you about how much more you're smart. Speakers are trying to learn about you and your other devices. Plus, we've talked about video games in the effects that they have on kids brains for many many years. Well, a new study it's kind of a crazy study. I'm not sure if I believe it, but it looks at the effects of video games. I don't think you're going to believe the results plus believe it or not there's a new viral internet challenge that once kids to go missing and later on why staying apart can actually help keep you together. All right. So you sleep with somebody else? And let's say they're not the best sleeping partner. Well, there's new technology out that well make it a little bit easier. And it's now from Google is not from apple it's from a major car manufacturer of all things all that and much more coming up. You don't wanna miss on tech news this week from command dot com, but first we have to thank our partners in this podcast because. They helped make these updates possible. When it comes to hiring. You don't have to waste time. You need help. Getting to your short list of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com post job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. We start with your smartphone. And how it tracks? You know surprise air. We've been talking about it for quite a while. Now it tracks wherever you go and many apps collect data, of course, that goes straight to advertisers. But there's something you might not know there's a lot of apps at track your activity over time. Even when you tell them not to and you can't even get rid of what's already been recorded. In a recent report by C net. There are seventeen thousand Android apps that collect identifying information about you and create permanent records of that activity on your device. That's according to research that's just been released by the international computer Science Institute. And there's also apparently nothing that you can do about it. Here's how it's happening those apps track you by leaking your advertising ID, which is a number. That's unique to you and allows for targeted ads now that number can be reset. But there are other identifiers built into your phone. That are difficult or impossible to change such as the MAC address, Android ID. And I m e I am even though Google recommends that developers only take the advertising ID research shows that only a third of Android apps, abide by that. And that means it appears that they're violating Google's policy on data collection. While devices are allowed to collect identifiers. They're not allowed to combine the ad ideas with the hardware ID's without very specific consent from each person. So most of those identifiers can be reset. But you can't do much about the targeted ads that are coming your way. And researchers say it's a lot of big names on the list like the game. Angry birds classic flip board audio books by audible and all apps developed by cheetah mobile or on the list with popular ones, like clean master battery. Doctor and cheetah keyboard, Google said they've investigated to report and take an action, but didn't. Say what action was taken you of the companies on the list also have responded saying they don't use the data for ad targeting. Now, we've got more information on this research. It commanded dot com along with steps that you can take to reset your advertising, an Android ID's. But again, you can't really change those identifiers, and that's the bottom line unless you plan on getting a new phone, of course, you can change it. Then you have the whole issue all over again. Wouldn't it be great to have a smart home you walk in the door? And you say Alexa. I'm home. And then all my gosh. Suddenly the lights come on the fireplace. Illuminates the fans are going suddenly, the microwave oven turns on the refrigerator opens and the smart arm just hand, you a beer or glass of wine. That would be something everything that I just mentioned is a data point about you. And every data point about you, potentially goes into Amazon and Google and other places data banks. But what if that data wasn't just collected at the time that you actually did it. Yes. That's what's going on. You see these device makers like Logitech hunter fans. That's smart refrigerator. They could actually sent a continuous stream of information and imagine all the data that could be collected twenty four seven about you, not just when you actually do something all this was reported recently in Bloomberg's quit that's an online magazine and these. Device makers are saying, hey, listen. We can't just give you this continuous stream of information all the time. I mean, why do you really need to have all this data? Well, apple and Google say we need this data. Not because we want to know exactly when Kim commando has glasses Chardonnay every night. But because this data can actually help improve the quality of our voice activated assistance at our smart connected devices. All right. Do you believe them for even a nanosecond? There's big money in data collection and somewhere along the way, we probably agree to it because these data collection policies they get buried within. These lengthy terms and conditions that nobody ever reads. So the average consumer has no idea that all these routines are actually being recorded. So if this bothers you you got a couple of things you can do number one, don't buy smart device. Okay. I know that's unrealistic number two as you can turn off the smart device when you're not using it. Also, kind of dumb because wild switching have finally what you can do is you can delete all your smart home accumulated data, and I'll tell you. It's not easy to do. But if you are interested in it just hit commanded dot com. We've got Todd tips about removing your personal data from smart devices. All right. So I don't mean to scare you. But I want you to put yourself in this situation for a moment, you go to wake your child up for school. And they're not there. You can't find him anywhere. The police get involved still nothing. It's of course, appearance worst nightmare. It's also a part of yet another viral challenge. Once again, it's just for their fifteen minutes of social media fame. So not long ago. There was a bird box challenge based on the net. Flicks movie where people would blindfold themselves walk around and see how long it took to walk into something and everybody would laugh, and I guess that would be the end of it problem was a lot of people were driving cars blindfolded. And of course, it didn't always go. Well, so this other challenge it's a little different kind of dangerous. This one's called the forty eight hour challenge and encourages children to go missing. And then stay missing for forty eight hours. And it's also their photo will. Show up on social media. All right. Just think about that for a moment. Wake up. Your child is gone the sheer panic of not being able to find him. And then there are the resources the police and others put into searching for him. And when they're tied up doing that it takes away from responding to real emergencies. So it's a good idea to make sure phone location services, like find my phone enabled. There's also a lot of apps to help you keep tabs on the kids. And we've got the details on those apps over a commanded dot com. Just ahead. Many experts are saying that video games can make kids more aggressive. Okay. We've heard that for years. I mean some kid plays a video game. And does it make that kid wanna go out and shoot somebody up? Well, some new research is actually putting the other direction maybe video games. Just maybe video games are actually making kids smarter before we get to all that. Here's a word from one of our sponsors in this podcast. Capterra. It's twenty nineteen and technology is growing leaps and bounds since one thousand nine hundred ninety nine so why are you still using that old outdated software? Find software that fits your business needs using capterra dot com. I get asked all the time for different recommendations, and I refer people to capterra dot com with over seven hundred thousand reviews of products from real software users. Discover everything you need to make an informed decision. Search more than seven hundred specific categories of software. Everything from project management, Email marketing to yoga studio management software. No matter your business needs. Capterra makes it easy to discover the right solution fast. Join the millions of people who use capterra each month to find the right tools for their business. Visit capterra dot com slash Kim today to find the right tools to make twenty nineteen the year for your business once again that addresses, capterra dot com slash Kim. Let me spell it for you. See a P T E R R A dot com slash Kim. All right. Here's another question. That comes up a lot for parents. What effect is video games having on your children's brains, of course, for years. The concern has been that violent games could lead to more aggressive behavior. But now some say video games can actually make your kids smarter eased as you've got all kinds of games and platforms. And of course, they come in all shapes and sizes from family oriented to adult level games. There's the popular online game fortnight where players shoot zombies. And of course, each other they get more violent and lifelike, for example, the realistic wargame, call of duty and grand theft auto game about crime where you can pretty much. Do anything you want? And it's been a big debate for years. You've got some experts who say games like that are messing up kids brains in ways that can lead them to becoming more violent or antisocial. The university of Oxford conducted some research recently, but. It still doesn't answer any question definitively. After a study that involved a thousand British teens. They found out that six of the ten play the violent games, but they were no more likely to become aggressive because of it. And of course, you've got those who see more of a silver lining who say other video games can benefit young people in ways like creative thinking or learning trial and error, and some of those experts who work with children say there's a real potential for education and video games. Like researcher Tanner higgin, he's the director of education strategy for common sense media, which is an independent game review site. He told the New York Post today's games offer an immense range of experiences of which parents may not be familiar with. He says the greatest learning potential for games as would they don't look like traditional forms of learning. So instead of games that deal solely in education. He suggests ones with storylines that encourage kids to make meaningful. Choices and have different experiences. Other say it's complicated to tell what impact they might be having New York Post spoke with other experts one of them said that the digital world changes so rapidly that studies like this hard to pull off because they're always playing catch-up. So it's one of those two sides to every coin issues, but there is no doubt that some of these games may be exposing younger kids to mature themes that they're probably not ready for so like TV, movies and music. It's really up to you, the parents decide what's appropriate. But what is clear is that no one wants their kids to become the Samis. They're fighting on screen. In Barcelona, the world's largest mobile show will take place in about a week. Get ready for new phones with five G foldable designs and multiple cameras with smartphone sales stagnant as people hold onto their devices longer phone makers are unveiling new models Samson's hoping that it's foldable. Galaxy will be the future. It's a smartphone when closed, and when it's fully opened it turns into a tablet, but while way is set to announce a foldable phone too. But they're supports the new five G networks and the company's honor phone has a forty eight megapixel camera. Speaking of L is banking on three D cameras that can scan your face for security and access to your phone. And what about apple they'll announce the new iphone in June? This gives them plenty of time to get inspiration from their competition for a foldable iphone. There's a new kind of artwork starting to pop up art, that's generated by artificial intelligence and one of those is heading to auction. So this isn't your average painting. Obviously it's made up of two screens connected to a wooden table with an AI computer brain inside and his computers uses neural networks to generate a never ending never repeating stream of portraits portraits of people who don't exist. The artwork was created by German artists. Mario cling than who's considered a pioneer, Niro network, computer, learning and AI art. He's also trained this using thousands of portrait's from the seventeenth to the nineteenth centuries yet it a few of his own preferences. And now the computer uses algorithms to generate portrait's that will never repeat for as long as it's running. It's going to be auctioned off at Sotheby's London on March. Six and it's estimated to sell anywhere from about thirty nine thousand to fifty two thousand dollars. This will be the first auction of this kind of art work that continuously changes now back in October Christie sold an AI generated portrait four get this four hundred and thirty two thousand dollars. The other day another risk of your online accounts getting into the wrong hands. It's still pretty early in the year. But you might remember the collection number one breach discovered in January which exposed over a billion with a B unique Email and password combinations, then collection number two through five kicked in that number went up to two point two billion with another be hacked accounts. And here we go. Again, this time more than six hundred million accounts from sixteen popular websites are listed for sale on the dark web the price about twenty thousand dollars in bitcoin Akers can buy breach data such as account names, Email addresses and passwords, at least that's what the hacker who's selling the stolen account information told the register in the UK this person even provided the register with samples to prove that this information was real. And it looks like it is if there's a silver lining. On this case. It's that all the passwords seem to be hashed, which means they'd still have to be cracked for another cook to be able to use that in an also doesn't look like any banking information was exposed. But here's the problem with passwords. The typical buyers of data like this are hackers who use credential surfing attacks. So that means they can crack some of the weaker passwords. They'll also try to use these exposed user names passwords on other sites to see if you're using the same Prudential's across any of your online accounts of the sixteen hacked sites the video messaging app dubbed smash was hit the hardest of the total six hundred seventeen million account details that were stolen dubs Spanish makes up about one hundred sixty two million of another breach involved, my fitness pal with over one hundred and fifty million exposed to counts. Now, you can see a list that includes the other fourteen hacked sites over commando dot com, along with more information about the breach. And we also have all the information you'll need to protect. Your online accounts, which includes creating unique passwords pass phrases and how to set setup two factor authentication on certain sites. Checkout commander dot com for those tips and tricks and to keep your private data secure. Tech news commanded dot coms. Coming up in a moment, including we've got some important information about another major data breach. I know it's kind of a yard happens week after week. And this one could also be putting your information I risk. And then later on a major auto manufacturer, not really a tech company. They've created a kind of tech product bid kind of add on I guess, you'd say to make sure that your partner stays where you want them to be in the bed all night long. But first we have to thank our partners in this podcast because they helped make these updates possible. It's twenty nineteen and technology is growing leaps and bounds since one thousand nine hundred ninety nine so why are you still using that old outdated software? Find software that fits your business needs using capterra dot com. I get asked all the time for different recommendations, and I refer people to capterra dot com with over seven hundred thousand reviews of products from real software users. Discover everything you need to make an informed decision. Search more than seven hundred specific categories of software everything from project management, Email marketing to yoga studio management software. No matter your business needs. Capterra makes it easy to discover the right solution fast. Join the millions of people who use capterra each month to find the right tools for their business. Visit capterra dot com slash Kim today to find the right tools to make twenty nine thousand nine a year for your business once again that addresses, capterra dot com slash Kim. Let me spell it for you. See a P T E R R A dot com. Slash kim. All right. Here's an interesting way. A major retailer is using your location data against you. So you'll spend more on whatever you buy K A R E NBC affiliate in Minneapolis began a two month investigation after one of their viewers said they paid one hundred dollars for an electric razor in the store at target. But once they left the store the target app dropped the price to seventy bucks. So in the investigation K A R E found that if you were using targets apple shopping in one of their stores, the prices on random products were higher than say if you were shopping on the target app from home. So here's what's going on. When you download the target app. It asks if it can have access to your location data, and once that's granted it uses that data NGO fencing to know where you are. And that includes if you're physically in target store. So when you go to one of the stores, the prices of items in the app change to match what they are in the store. But once you leave. The store they changed to targets online store pricing, which are cheaper in many cases. So the station reached out to target and they responded by saying they're making a number of changes in the app to make it easier to understand their pricing. So basically, they're not gonna make their online in store prices match. They're just going to change it to say either online or in store price next to the price of everything in the app. The TV station also checked other big stores like WalMart and best buy but didn't find any pricing differences. We've got more details on this story over. You may have heard that Russia's disconnecting itself from the global internet think of it as a virtual drawbridge nothing goes out and nothing comes in Russia's made it clear that they want. No part of the decentralized global internet as it exists today. They want total control and tracking of its citizens online activities. So in two thousand seventeen Russia's started building an independent internet along with its own DNS or routing servers in doing so Russia can regulate and censor the internet much like the great firewall of China publicly Russia propaganda says they want their own internet to make sure that in the event of a cyber attack the country can still function so Russia's going to test their new internet lines before April first now, I know what you're thinking. If only we could cut Russia off until after the twenty twenty elections. If you've ever used a GPS navigation app while walking around a busy city, you've probably seen a situation to where it couldn't figure out where you were. But you know, the dodge jumps around or the map spins in a way that you'd have no idea which direction you need to go. Well, now Google could be on the brink of releasing a new augmented reality feature to their Google maps app that could help. Okay, let's back up a bit. I last may Google showed off a new visual positioning system that uses your smartphones camera and a art to help get you where you're going on foot. So it works like this. Once you need help with directions and launch your camera. Google lens will figure out where you're standing by comparing what your cameras looking at to their street database now once it figures out where you are three D EROs will be overlaid on the screen telling you wish direction you need to go. The familiar Matt portion will still appear at the bottom of the screen to help you. Make sure you're going the right way. According to the Wall Street Journal, the new a R GPS features rolling out to some people to help test it out specifically Google is community preview who have access to preview versions of the app. Now, Google says it's not to be used for your entire trip. Just the way to help you navigate complex intersections so far. They haven't said how long it'll be until it's available to everyone. Finding today. Ford is obviously well known for their cars and trucks, but from time to time tend to try their hand in other ways while still using some of the same tech included in their vehicles. And now they're doing it again. It's just a prototype. But Ford has created a conveyor belt bed to keep your partner on their own side of the bed at night. Here's a pressure sensor built into the bed. That knows when your better half has crossed over to your sleeping territory. So the conveyor Bill will then kick in and help put them back on their side of the bed and tech is based on the same driver assist system that keeps their cars in the right lane. So can Ford help save marriages possibly, but only if they decided to bring this conveyor belt into production by the weight every week on Kim's national radio show, she answers questions from people like you who wanna live their best digital lifestyle. Whether it's a family prob. Or a business issue or you're wondering how to get things done. You can make an appointment to speak with Kim user, dedicated caller line and leave a message at six o two three eight one eighty two hundred extension to nine again that six oh two three eight one eighty two hundred extension to nine and a producer. We'll get back to you. Thanks for listening. We'll see next time.

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The Future of Cloud-Native Technology as the Foundation for New Services

Future of Tech

51:37 min | 11 months ago

The Future of Cloud-Native Technology as the Foundation for New Services

"Welcome to future of Tech Hosted by Charlotte, division presidents of amdex technology in this podcast, Ashley sits down with technology leaders and some of the most innovative minds in the industry to learn how they are disrupting the present and what kind of impact they see for the future. No topic is off limits. So sit back relax and maybe take notes because what you here on this show might just be a glimpse into the future. Whether your company is working macleod using on prem systems or managing many APSO hybrid systems. There is no doubt that there is a lot going on under the hood in your tech stack. Who you partner with to help you get a handle all of that makes a huge difference. When you partner with? Google. Crowd they make it easy for you to worry less about managing all those systems and focus more on the things that really matter to. Your Business. On this episode of future attack. Jennifer Lim. DP of management. 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Welcome to new episodes of of Tech. Today, we have with us. Jennifer Lynn to fifty of product management at Google Cloud Than Nash and Goldberg, which is Senior Director of John Nearing. Also from Google cloud and welcome ladies. Thank you very much. Jennifer when. When you're looking at your history and your bedroom. Your self. Dealing with technology. Has. Been An. Interesting career nothing that I would have necessarily predicted I spent time initially Intel. So you know down at the layer of understanding how chipsets are actually designed and delivered, and then spent a lot of years at Cisco in the networking space and sort of three different businesses, one in core enterprise networking, and security I, and then mobility. A lot of wireless and mobility and location services, and then we started a new business around Iot and edge on using centrally secure sensors and wireless networks, and then you know co-founded Sdn Company. So learned a lot about software defined delivery of services and then joined Google and definitely enjoying sort of the future of cloud as Serb away to deliver inexperienced services next. Great and what about yourself? How did you find yourself? Within. Technology. Also very interesting in favor diggers come out. As. Working in central. Really interesting that I'm very much interested in solving big problems that skin. On infrastructure that I was missing the customer throughout that experience. I did it when actually shy we can show that you've been working together and then officials citizens. And then went back to building enterprise software for managing infrastructure. specifically Google there is an joined Google four and a half years ago. Is that I felt it the combination of building break acknowledges that really helps customers and really great poets something that I can achieve in. Gadsden. Amazing Journey. Still between us. So you can also say things are not as great as as as they. Are you know if everything is great? It's fine now. My job. Perfect. Jennifer, can you describe your current? How would you define it? Sure. So I lead a product management in teen in Google Cloud Platform. We're really thinking about a lot of the services that we deliver are both within GCP. Now with emphasis outside of the GP stretching essentially our cloud services delivery to environments like on plan and other cloud environments as well as edge. So product management and and really thinking also about user experiences and how we hide a lot of the back in complexity with the online services that we deliver and how does use your pre bitcoin assist you with your current role. Well, I had a lot of background in networking and security and also was with a startup that was doing ecommerce in two thousand. My background and I think at Google, you know we have really built a platform on a global distributed network and a lot of the way that new services are delivered is essentially know hiding the fact that we have a very global platform developers can move very quickly but a lot of the concerns in the infrastructure are completely hidden from those that are pushing out new experiences for customers. So my background I think helps a lot just because I feel like I've moved up the stack incrementally. Delivering Sdn our customers were gaining customers and SAS providers. Folks like workday and other very large gaining platforms. So the networking being sort of a core piece of that was very important. But at the same time you know hiding the complexity of a globally distributed network security. How do we do? Identity. All of that. I think. Hiding the complexity of that and really understanding what user experience were driving. I. Think it's been a journey. We're learning a lot along the way and you know nobody can never predict day-to-day what's happening a building a platform for change and agility Google culture mindset and I think it's an evolution I. Think we're seeing a lot of change in houses are built and how we can move a lot of that complexity software from from hardware growth. Now, let's go a bit deeper. Of heard that you're providing many many lectures. So give me in like in an elevator pitch. What is community? CABELA's is an open source project allows you to manage. Education at skin and maybe Johnson with Cuba that is is not abide also worth mentioning docker technology. It made Jenner's more approachable to developers and spitting the development cycle so. You to package at your education and move very fast from development to production as once you deploy occupation the new. Challenges. That are created is how do monitoring and logging at interstate application with the rest of the infrastructure and that's the problem with communities. Solving. Data thing I would say so that's not a new problem to solve by reading tried to solve the same problem for a very long time and I think any. differently. History. The first one, eight, very automation mission. Meeting. The goal that you can automate everything the way you respond the way you are a working towards a desired state than having a southgate people be. Allowed us to many things that skill. That's how Google has operating for years and we are breeding. To everyone through a Kubilius lettuce on double bed, we are creating in open API, which is actually critical for two things. At the first sign. It was really also for us or speedo innovation when it's easy and when you have composed systems, you could extend the environment. Then you can move faster by not every chance requires you to change the court and the last one is that culminates delivering on the promise of both ability of workloads many. You can run the workloads everywhere with Communities Ron, and throughout the years of the project, we have made available in working EXCA- in the environments to with dad that really creating annual -tunities, part customers, and also ourselves than what we've seen in the last. Five years is that. Customers are imagining the future differently. You. And that's not really like to. which is a good segue to my next question. So why why Jennifer? What do we need to settle community? So great is open solve the beside world hunger almost all the rest so y. unto. Is, said I think we're a little overwhelmed how quickly momentum around kusnits happening it became very quickly the compute orchestration layer. Of Choice I think the other reason why it caught on so quickly and in the last two years more change has happened in software than the previous couple of decades is because it unlocked a lot of application layer. Innovation, and new applications which are increasingly mobile web driven user driven that ability is mentioned to define the end state a of system, and then make sure that the system converges to that desired end state. So within Google, we're very focused on what is the user experience? How do we get as close to the user as possible and drive a personalized response for that user in an online way, and so this shift from classic it Monolithic Systems where a lot of the logic is built into a monolithic application to highly distributed systems where you have to bring a number of different data sets to the user in real time because the context is constantly changing. So building that is obviously a big distributed systems. Problem Communities Obviously has excited the development community as well as the operational community because the automation also simplifies a lot of the day to life cycle management operators want to be able to just manage the exceptions not be in the middle of cases and operational workflows where they're not really adding a lot of value. So we we automate a lot of those repeatable patterns, but also make sure that we have a control plane that can. Programmatic control the infrastructure behavior based on the actual data and the user experience we're trying to drive, which is constantly evolving and changing. One other thing is security has become sort of a very much a core design principle of what we're doing. So those types of applications where security is built in from the beginning, but it's not correct. It's actually expected as a capability of the platform. So we're really thinking sort of new models of trust and application layer security user level security were once again it's a data driven service at this is really a data driven service for the developers and operators and we can separate those stakeholder concerns, but still deliver the user experience that we're trying to an online way. Can Add tobacco little big just from the perspective. Sharing experience we went from a building Google Kabila's engine, which was just the Patino. Castration. Manage experience something like. Is What we have seen the just posibility work is not enough in our customers actually want us to take control and give them a managed experience where they build a really gives them debt velocity engineering velocity when they don't need to care about those kinds of things. So that's one is it said before imagining innovation. is, really bolted Jennifer, securities a beak on SAM managing at that scale also cost management. Is a big problem and the thing is making on that work. Without, having to teach your team's different set of skills with Adele will do something full data site there off the edge is also very Those things that. Our customers use. Adler. Okay. So help me out here because I have to two questions to clarify some of my an let's say Blur Innis on one and. Google introduced Burnett is there were other solutions in the market competing solutions than A. FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD It is now clear to everyone that there is one leading solution. Everybody's a rounded but Cobra Nets even though was you know pushed law and you're a main contributor is still open and everybody can use it and this is the notion. Why with Antos, this is not the case are not giving up those two are. Done and it's not like a something that everyone can enjoy. So first of all, I'm asking why not take the same approach. And my second question at the same time is that also with Antos you have other companies that offering similar solutions are obviously will be expecting to have the same result everybody will be using eventually, Antos, but you're not taking the same approach. So how? What was the logic behind those? And do you WANNA. Go first and then I'll Chinaman. Thing. Before, is managed experience meeting. We are responsible managing providing those kinds of services private auto gration on experienced. A bringing it to customers. Teams like ACYCLOVIR team John Years Providing so. objectives to our customers through that journey in addition to that. Raises really responsible on the compute layer and give me the ability what kind of Cli, how intimate different identities at security in other parts on we've been investing in solving that problem, and that's very important because. The cloud is actually leading in those who bonetti and making things. Much integrated. Such environment. The kind of things that really take pride in the context of Avocados. Thing I would say it is about the transformation. It's really about pulmonary in the journey of how you can hence your fist empowering with Google cloud and we are grieving, for example, some of the recent Togo so that made is really a emission communities and what do we talk customer to build you experiences through the Yet I would just add. We do really see Anthony as extending what we've done with Nettie and other open source projects like issue and K native What we found is that other folks took the open source and packaged it and put a support model around it, but didn't have the operational domain experience to do it at global scale or with security updates and best practices in terms of policy automation. As well as the leadership of growing an open ecosystem, the first people that got very excited about anthrax were the software producers ISP SAS providers who had to figure it out themselves, but we're using the communities API surface to build their systems. So we just took the next step and said great if we can agree that we extracted the infrastructure weather on Prem or in another cloud provider with the Cubans, eat the server. And we embrace an open ecosystem where if you're a storage provider, you have CSI plugging you can run out on prominent still works as a first class citizen of the architecture or if you're an open source database provider, many of our customers have communities on prem where they are running with A. Either an operator or a current compliant implementation with CRT templates. So we took that the next step. So it really has moved and Google is a large company, but we're not GONNA do this. Ourselves were really focused on a strategic partnerships, and if everybody agrees that this is the next phase of cloud service delivery we want to work collaboratively across the ecosystem on. So as I mentioned the first people that embraced aunt those were. Those customers and partners that had already embrace this architectural model and ask how come the other hyperscale cloud providers were forced to reverse. Engineer AP is or forced to take their data services or their proprietary services. Google is the first hyperscale cloud provider that embraces the notion of hybrid multi cloud with an open service platform, and we're pretty excited about that. It's very early days, but it has moved very quickly since we made that the announcement. Kept. The platform and mostly with the help of a lot of our partners like like antics. Ladies will come back to it because there are some open questions that they stated like to gain a bit more, and now I would like to understand the Google approach into. tacos. So Jennifer maybe first of all, what's so important in Google, is in this domain and why is google interested in in the area of circles? Yeah. And I'm personally also excited about this similar to enterprise this move from it monolithic systems. From single vendors is really moving to, let's say, five G. Edge data driven services where a lot of it is about delivering a customer experience. Mobile Web I where? Customers. Expect that level of personalization. A of this is, how do we make sure that? We hide the complexity of all the various proprietary systems behind the scenes and make sure that we're using resilient global platform to deliver services with innovation the pace at which we can move in cloud as the supply chain for new services is phenomenal and I think even with the recent sort of pandemic what we're seeing is a huge acceleration of our customers moving online and you know trying to get out of human middleware where essentially we are bottle-necking service delivery on manual processes or approvals or whatever. So as hence had before, we want to be able to stay the desired intent and the rules up front whether it's a security policy or an audit compliance rule in specific. Location those are all things that we can define in the system upfront, and then just manage the exceptions. So I think the the telcos are very excited about evolving their traditional managed services to this more cloud services model because their customers are demanding it, we've done a lot of things for instance, in mobile banking and retail ECOMMERCE, many of our retail customers as an example have. Their plans for online commerce from traditional you know brick and mortar retail delivery because they're seeing in this age where the expectation is workers are remote, they can. Do transactions from anywhere and you know they. They really do want to move quickly with machine learning systems that are not just sir from the data center. These may be local compute at the edge with drones or cell site routers doing personalization for a specific location in a certain zip code. A lot of that is personalizing the experience based on who the user is, what they need to be delivered on and who can. Help them at that point in time. So the the the evolution of service activation and service delivery and service monetization of how we do the metering in monetization cloud is very much based on a granular consumption model where simplifying a lot of that in those with subscription models. But under the covers, all the telemetry observability, all the diagnostics for a pure online consumption model is there and that's a huge advantage to us with emphasis well. So. If I'm a a fireman thiokol and obviously, I would love to have all those good because either I visited Silicon Valley or or at least I've heard about Google. So is is something that I would like to to enjoy an yet. I have you know as you're fully said the lot of and this is not just goes but the entire industry still a lot of legacy applications and local. to an extent monolith apllications, and we are going into the next few years of. What we call a hybrid environment. and rightfully. So you also mentioned you know all the the edge arts and stuff like this. We are on one hand extending the cloud or or extending the IT and on the other we are trying to bridge the gap between the. Ecosystem. In what way you believe that your solution will address the hybrid ecosystem. Yeah, I'll. Start. When we moved into the enterprise space, what we heard a lot of our customers saying was come to where we are and then help us accelerate our past the cloud and for many of our customers ninety plus percent of their data is still on prem. There are specific environments like financial risk data or fraud detection that ninety five percent of that is already in the cloud because it's very much based on machine learning algorithms that aren't available on Prem, but for many of our regulated. Customers, they have not yet moved the bulk of their proprietary data into the cloud your. So what we wanted to do with those move, the operational model and the manageability model and the automation model where that data sits, and that's why we moved You know at those into customers, data centers, and in many cases that has accelerated their past to cloud but not for many of our customers, they're never going to have one hundred percent of their data in our data centers we have. An industrial manufacturing customer in Europe where their factories essentially are their private cloud, they're in production with Anthony Today they're doing a lot of analytics with partners like sap and their own proprietary data models. They really needed that cloud services model with their data that was sitting on Prem and with a security posture that essentially would allow them to know meet their audit and compliance needs as well. But we see you know as a head mentioned, we want to deliver that consistent experience and abstract the deployment location of the cloud environment because no customer knows exactly what the Knicks will be between. On premise GCP and other public cloud providers. But essentially, they don't have to revisit how they define their policies how they think about their SRA operational model. How they do CIC pipelines. It's all very consistent because it's based on an open model that is moving very quickly in the industry. So as we've mentioned to roll times, let's for the sake of our audience fun. Can you can you are again give us like a short the finish off what is this theory also mentioned the ESA Lozo maybe give us a few words about that as well before I'm asking you the next question. Practicing extensible cycle ability engineers, and those are teams. Expert engineers with making sure that the. is are up and running, and the way they do it is. By building, automation and making the system and really investing making the system self heal itself and really. Identified in reduce the noise and really what matters that it's on. The second thing that are investing on the timing is really ability into the system. Understanding what's happening in heavy data? All dealers, what we're doing is using it to define the official ability other ability expectations what we expect every seven to mid and will host monitoring like twenty four seven was interesting. We've GCP's that we took this cycle ability engineering practice, and we are also extending that to our customers. We have customer inability engineers are working with our customers. Almost naked ahead write practice. Now you've also mentioned as lows and which is usually people are using the term used to use the term. As. So Can you give us? The short explaination what's the difference between the two and? Even into those maybe corker, which is also native which is The first thing is that we are deciding whether the integrated indicators for services, which is some indicators. Once we know what we're going to measure, we can set objectives to those indicators and many times. It's actually very critical. Staff is the Dow many choose the ones are the most your experts. Towards ample measure, different things, and be objective. Soleil is a service level agreement. This is usually Will buy their end customer where you agree and. Those delays also eventually oxo there is consequences of not meeting the so it was agreed. For the Sake Afar audience will recommend some additional readings that way we can find in many of the Google Uh. Libraries s series I think concept that you more or less contributed to the world. And are many many additional readings related to it's obviously we will not. Dwell more into it, but maybe in the future episode. To an extent, he stole so related to other relevant topics that we've mentioned so far. So I wanted to make sure that we are covering Jennifer. You've mentioned the fact that you came a startup and probably working in his start up it's a different mentality. You know working round the clock innovating, making sure that things are happening and stuff like this. How how do you cultivate same experience when working in a big firm like well, Google is definitely not a classic company I will say in Google has managed to retain that concept of small teams that move quickly against sort of a common. Architectural, paradigm without being developers are actually quite a free to operate. Within their teens but once they check their code in, it goes into a common system and a lot of the security and ongoing diagnostics and troubleshooting are baked into the system. So we've emulated a similar thing with that those where not just you know Cuban Eddie's and how we manage the container orchestration in compute layer and abstract the infrastructure in any flickering but also how we move from services to micro services. So for any API, let's say for a given application. It may over time be composed of thousands of micro services and to hunts point earlier, we really need to understand are those services behaving is the communication between those services no secure, and you know we will assume that those services are being delivered by multiple teams working in parallel against a automated pipeline that then goes in front of a user as a unified experience. So Google has operated this way with thousands of engineers that are they're empowered to innovate and then a highly. Elite no operational team that essentially can operate that no launch billions of containers without the end user realizing all of that complexity that's being managed. So I think the Google culture as mentioned a lot of how we work with our customers and partners is that ongoing engagement model where pens teen from an engineering perspective is working very closely with our customers and partners to not just understand the technology but also understand that the the culture behind it and the engagement and collaboration model and Google even with the meat and. My kids are growing up with those collaboration tools. It's very iterative model. It's not set in forget it's not configure something in. That's how it will be for the next few years that was sort of classic systems but that is very much not the way it software and services are being delivered now. So we're embracing change in the culture very much embraces change and agility, but also operates at scale with the governance around cost security. And that's what's exciting. I think very unique Hon approached by customers a believe that the the issue is not with the -nology depth within Google and your expert, your engineers, but it might come from a different thing which I was wondering. If. You didn't encounter in your meetings, which is, why should we use open source? Isn't it very risky to US Open source did you see shifting in the last few years in the sense of customer are more willing to embrace open source solution Is it something that comes up in in your meetings or people are now Sees open sources something that the the there are okay with. ME. A little bit how I got into. Welcome. Tell us. About eight years ago I was responsible for building. orchestrations. When I was twelve. Yes. and. My team we were doing responsible for a builder experience. And I asked my team. Hey, why aren't we using? Our product and they said, well, it's not opened off and there was some things fit. It was clear that for developers they appreciated the transparency and flexibility of technologies. So owning their on. And that made me think we took out of there. And made open source that was actually one of the first in open source project by HP softer backpack. And I think that's something that many teams take pride actually controlling the faith and having flexibility. So when they need something, they can troubleshoot a. people really appreciate in the last few years but we also see many companies. It's coming from executives very strongly is concerned being locked in. So it's not just you know Paul develop of the law city flexibility but tweety the ability to have an exit strategy. And that's something that we're that leading into Maccabee wants you to use ankles juicy because it's the best of you're not locking union creating for you options to use other solutions from the eco-system really followed nearly with the system is that will be the second. Thing that we again is is related is wrong diplomatic cloud and hybrid strategy and really using technology. It's actually less than API's. Is. What makes it possible to run the same technology stack San Workloads everywhere Definitely. This comes as an advantage on my people are interested A. Juicy. Now I'M GONNA. Ask You Jennifer tough question and I hope. You'll be open with me what can prevent or block. Antos from succeeding. Yeah, I think we're still early days. Often, what we find is our barriers are not necessarily technical. We are moving in many ways from it driven system to a cloud services model where you have a number of interdependent dynamic services that are more distributed automated. So there are some human processes that are changing. And thinking about how we balance agility and risk is often not a technical question it's often a business question. Once, we moved into. The new verticals like like enterprise regulated industries with Anthony What we found is We really had to number one captured developer excitement. So Google traditionally, very well with software producers. So in many enterprises, people were already using. To, build new mobile services. But also now we're engaging with a number of different teams in any enterprise the IT teams security teams, the cluster administrators. The mobile development teams, the CIO the Seattle is, and what we found is this is really a collaborative platform where each stakeholder defines the metrics they're going to measure success, but it's a shared architecture. So everybody can embrace the user experience that they're looking for. If I'm a cluster administrator I really do need to see a lot of the low level details of the infrastructure so I can understand and troubleshoot. But if I'm you know the security person. I have you know I want to look at the threat model and I WANNA. See where my leaks are not encrypted or where I'm not gonNA pass my security controls in audits or where the policies are being violated by certain tenant group against the are back access controls that we've already defined. If I'm the end user I, don't WanNa see any of the underlying infrastructure I just want fast resilient services that are not interesting. So I think that is what we've found as the biggest barrier is often just working with people in an iterative way to embrace the change. And move quickly but also address a lot of the stakeholder concerns because there's no one team that's going to solve this themselves very interdependent at the platform level. Group. So what have something maybe to the to the both of you When first of all I'd like to to define to the audience. What is deal is all about and then? Once you will do it. I will share with with with our listeners that you worked on it with IBM and lift an out suddenly I was reading that it was out of CNC F and now the world. Which is looking for you know. A good solution is is wondering what will happen and And I'm wondering as well because the world needs again this. Standardization of of solution. So first of all helped me out to explain what is still is all about and then helping out to understand your strategy of urine you're out you're in Europe what what, how are we going to the Soviet at least three of us and then what he has to the rest of the world? Can take stuff affect. Suffice studying media technology. What is still a project and I? Think that's the thing I would highlighted is an open source project Which everyone could use? To better the Community that she composed by many many different companies in different developers and what does it decouples the service to service communication from the application itself and it's really impairs you to apply a for example, the security posture do your services. Scheme absolve ability to managing what you said before the ball s allies in those in a consistent way without doing any and specifically what I really like about is still it can work a not only full competitor is workloads, but also any work right the big talker than saw that's happening that we've been building on especially with Antos because we understand you know going back to what you said about the legacy environment at the importance of integrating everything. About the open source at aspect. I think this Golden Classic Classic show classic words. The about the open? I think there is A. Limit Confusion about so still was never part of the San Sierra. To begin with, but he been open so. Always makes me again this is a community on there is a governance model a and this is being managed that way ever since day one and the community but there has been investing a lot in building that ecosystem cycle figure with you of Larry. To create those standard API and Vic Steinbeck have been adopted by many of the hybrid black folks today and offering. That is stunned. Interface. We are committed to still and continue investigated making that available and making that these thunder industry. Okay I'm not over was it will continue Jennifer anything to add in this. I mean I would just add like a hand said from the beginning, put it under the most permissive open source license. It is really grown very rapidly as one of the fastest growing open source project. So we had no concerns about no lack of awareness or. Lack of partnering in the Ecosystem Evolution of the community, one of the key things that we did was define a lot of the models for the control plane both from traffic routing perspective and from a security perspective on how we issue credentials against a vendor agnostic data model, and that is something that many of our ecosystem partners have embraced and I, think you know it's still early days in this. Transition to micro services. But the reason that we you know open source did was because many of our customers and partners were realizing the complexity of managing micro services. There is no way we can do this with manual processes unlike other service meshes that were out there They didn't address security upstream. So that is the reason why you know IBM on the Steering Committee and very active you know initially. from the open consorts project, they were doing around the Mesh to join forces with. So that notion of using a sidecar proxy where nobody needs to write the application again, but you pick up the benefits in any environment increasingly, you know not just containerize environment but also the MVP environments that model works. At various levels of the stack, so it doesn't have to be at layer seven, it can be. At the network layer as well, and that's a huge bridging function. At the end of the day, we're really trying to build bridges across different environments, different technologies, but hide the complexity so that the whole industry to move faster you know Google open sources, thousands of projects very few are actually in a foundation on an often night is I think we have built a very robust. Community around it on and. Off. Is wildly successful in terms of building the communities community but many of our customers. Sort of the service mash as inclusive of communities but addressing many other things. So we want to be very collaborative but a lot of the things around governance and adoption were doing you know independent of the donation to a foundation. I'm not going to go. So easily because you know the the world is looking for a standardized solution and both of the SMI. Say API is that everybody is looking to standardize around their service mission I I was thinking that is would be that one and you know. Now that we've seen half of the industry around semi SPIC and and and the API and the only tool absence. phenomen. So eventually I think that the industry needs something now. And I was kind of hoping stretching out for you to to pick it up and eventually I believe the industry will will converge but instead of fit like being in the let's call it the classic days or the legacy days. Let's make. And make sooner than later. But this is my own opinion. I believe that eventually you know things will will will converge but the. It takes time and understand it's a big fight around. Who is going to win the battle and I can understand it you know sometimes, technology is not the only thing that rules in businesses those implications. So I can I comment of it? Sure. Sure. I can stay in all about the extent you also headed coordinates. At does it mean to evolve standardized API's I? Think one of the things that I appreciated the most. Is that really customers and users, and that experience we have evolved API's ambivalent solutions. And it became the defacto starbucks. That experience and through managing any through getting success and that's exactly are focused with is still it is being. Used by many companies including redhead than others using steel today, and we are evolving API's through real customer experience and trying to create in. On top of it, it might be limiting because we don't know yet or the use cases. For evolving such a commodity, still a new technology and I really believe that we need to continue an orthopedic community customers and finally I can standardize those API's that will help us. To, the teacher yeah I would just echo that you know our largest customers that have worked with. US. In the context of Sto. In many cases, they've asked us. To continue in this current model, be very customer driven. One of our customers that's in production. Now is very much You know doing a service Mesh across multiple clouds and we've been working with customer from Missouri beginning. So we are very market driven I. Think we generally never say never. Because things change evolve, but were very much interested in really stay focused on customer success and problem solving and doing that at scale, and so you know already, I think this is moved very quickly actually much faster than what we had expected and with our initial customers. Within very market-driven. Joining for maybe a follow up question out of your many many children in the Google cloud Kenya mention few are the other than let's say Antos and Coober Netease which which you would like to stress out as being. Unique and you like them, I wouldn't say the most but you know sure I, mean from a platform perspective on. Changing the game on computer orchestration with communities was Superfund, obviously service Mesh how we think about US alot management for or services is another We didn't talk too much about a religious. Our our organization also invest very much in several technologies which are our customers my next local. Developers love it because they just want to be able to think about a service endpoint and light that up with the know you are l. and not think about a lot of the underlying infrastructure. So we have cloud managed product that cloud run on. On for customers that essentially want to manage the infrastructure underneath you know, I also managed sort of our commerce capabilities. So how we think about your billing in our marketplace third party ecosystem providers a lot of that is about as I mentioned, how do we think about you know metering and monetization cost management and how do we extend that to you know our ecosystem? And that is once again, we do our native services, but many of our partners want to be embraced into the platform itself. So, the plug ability of the system whether we're talking about infrastructure layer or You know data classification service, government services, machine learning a lot of the things that are on the marketplace increasingly are things like the Kogo nineteen data sets and she learning models that have come from. Google but essentially want that consistent go to market and distribution model that is very much online where customers can click to deploy into an operational environment that navy. JCP. But maybe something else I'm so that is all in the vein of how do we move quickly and do it with the industry. In a very collaborative way grew. So I have lots of favorite children but I think that's why it's interesting to work in a platform that is also you know embracing a third party ecosystem. I would like to Echo Jennifer homemade you talk about Quebec. Has. Attention. Do so much more products that keep abilities of DC that are integrated. For example, just talking about Google carbonates engine, it will never be a capable of doing that kind of visibility and. Cost efficiency without relying on Google compute engine. For example, are observability capabilities, Becca of biomonitoring, logging and. Trading Platform. and. We have I love stick experience overall. First of all I think it's a joy speaking to people that love there the work and I think it's on. So as human beings, it's It's good to to be working in a place that you love to work in. So I, think that in that sense you are both luck or three of us are very lucky because I'm not working at Google Batang working attempt docs and I feel great and I think that we are in indeed in such. A great time things are progressing so fast innovation paces is amazing and and every day or attaching new stuff and every day. Is a new frontier in a new law, and there is no stop to the imagination of people in the ISV's and ecosystem, and it's just fun to just sometimes you know to step aside into watch and you see how rate the world is. Speaking about the world, how do you see the Covid nineteen if at all effecting your daily work or the way that you're used to or is it like? We are cloud we don't care. Yeah. That's. Super. Interesting one. We have a customer advisory board and many of our customers also said, we have to embrace the fact that things are unpredictable and You know how do we run a business and grow a business? Business continuity resiliency at global scale when you don't know what tomorrow is going to bring. And that is I. Think you know thinking about a collaborative platform that is plausible where you can manage your risk but also innovate at scale. Covid nineteen just shows how unpredictable the world is on. Google was fortunate enough to be pretty much online already, and so we've managed to sort of maintain an engro productivity and help our customers grow on and pivot some of their strategies to accelerate online. But at the same time I think it just shows how different you know sort of needing to understand the data in a specific region, and then optimize your strategy based on that and do that sort of think globally act locally is super important and I think a lot of the things that were really thinking about our. Ability were almost running out of time so I would like to maybe have one more question to each one of you With a with a to tweak. So stuffed with you hunt let's let's assume I'm system architect CIO, that needs to design my next generation. Cloud you know next steps. what would be the three items I should look out for when when approaching this ecosystem. Going on. Our journey just for the sake of. Technology is. Not. Understanding how you're going to measure success and heavy you might along the way will help you and your team to. Be Successful and the second thing I would say definitely. Be Cautious about But as you said before it also about changing. Fields and adopting new process. So finding. Those change agents within your team. and seeing how you can help that happen successfully. Is Very, potent and. Thing. Is I don't believe in doing everything at once or even replacing into. So thinking about what can be, what would be the their systems that you will need to integrate and whether the set of constraints admitted that in consideration when to this new technology will make it more successful. And Jennifer you'll. You'll. You'll address I'm I'm not a CEO of of a big local. And I've heard about the Google and I want to enjoy the the benefits, what are the areas that I should Strive. To look at first when approaching gay Google Cloud I. Think. You know understanding continuous learning I think is super important. Nobody has all the answers I'm. Thinking about the state and being willing to change if that's not the case you know rapid prototyping and iterative development. I think is something that culturally Google does quite well and also embracing a whether it's partner ecosystem or collaborators in a distributed team. You know the transparency and building trust across. It is an ongoing thing i. don't think anyone has all the answers to that. But culturally, that is quite different from some of the environments that we've seen traditionally where you rely on one vendor and you just assume that the integrator will pull it all together. That's actually not. An environment that allows folks to. Revisit the problem statement and course correct and south he'll and optimize every day. So we're very metric driven understanding what we're measuring ourselves against than what we're accountable to but also being willing to continuously improve is I think a huge cultural aspect I google, we measure everything whether it's infrastructure telemetry or the health of the services or business logic performance in your top line growth but I think understanding what to measure and how to share and communicate that is. An ongoing thing that we realize we don't do ourselves. So how do we build a platform for that both from a data and technology side, and also from a moving the industry forward with communication point of view culture is even within the organization that we are in culture is number one and we're lucky to have leadership that believes that very humble but excited about moving forward innovating. Ladies, it was a pleasure having you both It was really interesting I believe that the hopefully will meet soon, face to face. I'm running out of pages in my Google cloud notebooks or any again tool visit you guys. And see face to face hope. Excellent extra including us by by. Thanks for listening to feature of tech if you like what you heard and what more make sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP. N. If you have any comments or questions, feel free to write to our hosts, attache Charlotte directly, on link.

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