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"lisa tilly" Discussed on KIRO Radio 97.3 FM

KIRO Radio 97.3 FM

10:21 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KIRO Radio 97.3 FM

"MAX Shea in the recent days in all has he been in the news he's been kicked out of the house GOP caucus after a house report linked him to domestic terrorism well representative shake get kicked out of office and we'll have more on that later so who is this guy we like to bring in someone who's covered him for years she's listed telly host of Bundy video podcast in an independent journalist whose the writer Ford in wonder Washington post in many other publications welcome to the show Leah how are you and thanks for being on I'm not bad thanks for having me good good so how long have you been following Matt Shea covering him so yeah I started following Shea I I started hearing about him years ago are probably around twenty twelve when I was a staff writer at The Inlander newspaper over in Spokane but I started working on my own shade stories starting in the summer of twenty eighteen and I was aware of him because I covered the twenty sixteen occupation of the now your National Wildlife Refuge to where people came in and occupied the federal property in Oregon and I knew that Shea was involved in some way so that was sort of what sparked my interest in twenty sixteen and a lot of that and a lot more has come out of his involvement in and details have come out of his involvement there's been a one hundred more than one hundred page report released documenting how involved he was but we wanted to kind of go back to who is this man and it in what can you tell us about incidents in his past whether it's and we've heard everything from he's got a temper road rage incidents a history with his ex wife what can you tell us about him right he is in his sixth term as a legislator for Spokane valley for that district for and you don't in his entire tenure in office has been colored with all these really outrageous incident so for example you know news came away pretty early in his career and that his wife his ex wife had alleged that that she had it he had grabbed her so hard during arguments that he left bruises on her arms on that he had really bizarre request for her like she couldn't get out of bed before hand that she had to walk on his left side because the a man carries the word on the right side really kind of longer things like that but then with each other it seems like with each time he was reelected there is there something more so there was a road rage incident and around twenty twelve I believe where I eat it was alleged that need through an unregistered handgun from his glove compartment those charges were ultimately dropped on there were all kinds of things about when I he had a somewhat a woman was running against him in one race he took photos of her house and took photos of himself outside of her house and posted them on social media so with each you know what time he's been in office there's been these the thing that he's done they've been really outrageous but the thing that's always been really constant about match Jay is that represents this real kind of extreme right wing ideology really anti government idea is that he's very open about it you know what and and time proper mentality that you talk often about that or not what if the world ends but we went in society collapses what are we gonna do with that sort of opportunity he frames that as something of an opportunity to reform society and he put together this biblical basis for war manifesto can you talk about that yes you know I'm in the fall of twenty eighteen and and what that wise was on this document and that you know if I have to boil it down it's sort of a this way to reform society in in sort of this Christian dominion S. law it you know it if if society collapse so this document leaked to the media call the biblical basis for war and that said that in this new society you know things like abortion and same sex marriage would be banned and that if people didn't get in line on that very had permission to quote kill all males and so that was a tribute into Shea and you know I think a lot of politicians if something like that came out with the trash their name they might say you know I had nothing to do with that but the fact that she said yes I did write that Leah I want to go bright back into match J. in a simple question is this man dangers I mean that's a difficult question for me to answer I think that he has participated and and been in cahoots as they say with a lot of people who are considered dangerous to what the the nature of this report that hundred neat page report that just came out last week that was commissioned by both Republicans and Democrats in the legislature what sort of hit two SS you know how close these connections were between Matt Shea and people in you know anti government militia groups and people who have threatened to commit violence against liberal protesters yeah and the the the the authors of the report found that they conclude that he participated in acts of domestic terrorism just because there putting it out over the years is that he absolutely and you know very close with lots of the of the militia groups that want to see you now our violence committed against people against the government yeah okay now so the sheriff over there in Spokane county says that he's worried that arresting match a would lead to an armed standoff and this is a guy who keeps getting reelected he said he's had six terms now in office he's been stripped of all his his caucus duties and and and they're trying to do everything but yet he keeps popping up and it's like no one can stop and why is that he said there's no way he'll resign and I think that what what we have here is that it's a pretty interesting situation on our hands and that there are a lot of people in Spokane valley Washington which is you know a different placement Spokane that still really support him because they see him that maybe yes he does pal around with these groups that are considered dangerous and and what not but they they see him as a Christian number one and so if they have a Christian in office then perhaps that he's he's doing what they want one had to do and I think it's interesting that you bring up sherry are sure I'll be connected at you over there in Spokane county that guy's the super super conservative guy and he has been one of the loudest voices saying for years that Shea and dangerous in fact in an interview a couple of years ago he told me that he thought that he might be killed by someone involved with shaking out the sheriff himself might be killed we had a terrible I believe that he did it he had had tons of death threats and thought he he told me on record that he thought that he could be it could be a match and camp that commit violence against them the sheriff says that there are enough criminal charges I'm enough there's enough evidence for domestic terrorism and treason and it said the FBI has now been contacted regarding this situation yeah that sounds about right and and I think that the the document that you're looking at includes a lot of other details about the other folks that that Shea has been planning be sort of you know takeovers and that kind of thing where and and includes a lot of people with some pretty radical ideas we're joined here by Lee S. the telly she is host of the Bundy bill podcast and we're having a conversation about the representative Matt Shea over there from the Spokane valley over there what I wanted to trans transition to is is far as what he believes about religion how does religion and its role in government have anything to do with each other yeah it's interesting there's a lot of interviews out there with matching where he he talks pretty openly about how he doesn't believe there should be a separation between church and state that his interpretation of things is that that's not what the founding fathers actually intended on he also for you his platform as a politician as an elected official as a missionary platform that he sees it as his way of getting his version of Christianity out there you know and it's also important to you understand that when he talks about being a Christian he also is someone who started the first chapter of acts for America in eastern Washington which is an anti Muslim hate group so he his version of Christianity is that this is a Christian nation and that Christians are in charge okay all the all the reports all the papers all the opinions the accusations at all the sheriff saying he wants to know by the way if I had a quarter of this being said about me no I would be in jail what is it Matt Shea in jail that's a great question I think you know in and even then it's reported it's really interesting because they is that the investigators say that he committed acts of domestic terrorism however the the event that he isn't and what's involved in in twenty fourteen and the bad and twenty sixteen in Oregon those were not trained as acts of domestic terrorism in federal court so I think that it's it's a matter of priorities and charges but also I think it's really at the end of the day on his constituents on the voters of Spokane valley to stay in a way what what what miss Jenkins is saying this is maybe not what we're about and the third thing part okay so I don't know that he's been caught in some sort of illegal activity but he's certainly been a part of a lot of it that was Lisa Tilly host of the Bundy feel podcasts now let's get a check on the traffic.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

02:52 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"He stumbles through knee deep snow keep shouting his hands are up at first then he reaches for his jacket pocket inside is a loaded handgun he puts his hands up again he reaches hands up reach finally police do shoot and he never managed to grab the gun so investigators released this video and in two different vantage points one was aerial footage from a law enforcement drone the other was taken by a smartphone by people inside the cab of the truck so watching the video you see everything unfold like you're there how did this incident add more fuel to the fire for the anti government movement well the the response was almost immediate shortly after the shooting a memorial popped up at the snow bank where people who supported the Bundys and the anti government movement talked about it like it was a murder or an assassination or kind of this carefully orchestrated hit by the government on on a member of the patriot movement even though it was so clear from that footage that you saw these two angles and he's saying you're gonna have to shoot me that that was a justified police shooting so in his death I really found in my months even years of it investigation that it it becomes really intertwined with the militia groups in these anti government groups that showed up at the Bundy sand asana became this target for their anger and that's where you pick up with season two tracking those other groups that tells a little about them like who they are and what are they doing sure at both of of the Bundys high profile standoffs you so groups like the oath keepers which is one of the largest most well known malicious across the country came to their side you saw another militia group called the three percenters chapters from nearby states coming to their side my reporting I started to see these other threats picking up of white supremacy and violence in these ideologies that that had been there long before these two standoffs I think it's important to note that groups like the oath keepers were actually in Charlottesville taking the side of the old right during the protests that have been there yeah and I think that these are groups that generally wouldn't be very fired up about ranching right like the Bundy sort of provided a great platform to fight the government and that's often I think with the take away that my reporting has found is that it has very little to do with the constitution has very little to do with ranching and often times is just looking for new ways to fight off the government and to kind of force a belief system like what we saw it at Charlotte on display that's Lisa Tilly host of the podcast series Bundy Phil so how does that believe.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

04:23 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Anti government groups and individuals a surface to support the Bundys didn't go away when the Bundy state instead over the past few years people within those groups have become more bold and willing to use violence to get what they want today we're teaming up with the podcast Bundy bill produced by Oregon public broadcasting and long weeks to see how the violence that started with the Bundys has spread but the bills host Lisa Tilly joins me now he has a gun so before we get to season to remind us what happened to the bodies after those two standoff came to an end both of those ended with these trials that a lot of critics would say the government botch so with the Nevada case they ended in a mistrial and in order again they ended in acquittals for for the bunny brothers and their co defendants so what's motivating the Bundys mean how did they get to the point of the first stand off I think to understand the bunny family you kind of have to understand where they come from there's a real kind of anti government sentiment that a lot of people share you can look to win the Mormons came west in the eighteen hundreds part of the reason they did that was to get away from the federal government then the government came to them and sort of started this idea that a lot of Mormons in that area feel that they were persecuted for their religion by the government so all this kind of led to Cliven Bundy standing off with the government in twenty fourteen so yeah how did those religious beliefs kind of drives this this confrontation with the federal government the Bundy is hold a pretty specific set of friends religious beliefs that a lot of Mormons would not agree with and in fact the mainstream Mormon church in Salt Lake City wouldn't agree with so my reporting led me to this thing called the white horse prophecy which is basically this kind of urban legend among Mormon communities that that some people believe Joseph Smith the profit of the church told our early Mormons that they would settle in the Rocky Mountains and that one day the U. S. constitution would hang by a thread and it would be up to the Mormon people to save that from ruin now the church in Salt Lake doesn't think this is actually a real prophecy but the bunny family does in a lot of other people in these kind of anti government communities also believe that they believe that their fight against the government is them actually saving the constitution from real in so where did the Bundys motivations and beliefs overlap with other groups that you've been tracking sense if you look at the the anti government movement you might remember things like ruby ridge and the Waco standoff with the branch Davidians and both of those events ended and people dying at the hands of the government a lot of those were kids so the anti government groups use those instances as recruitment tools times when they can say look that the federal government will come after people who live differently or do things their own way and they kind of turned a blind eye to the laws that were being broken by those people involved in ruby ridge and Waco so those events really informed Cliven Bundy in his belief that the government was after people so then when they came to collect his grazing fees he was seeing it as just the next chapter of ruby ridge and Waco but more recent turning point happened at the second but the standoff there was a shooting of one of the leaders of the occupation and that's gone on to inspire people to this day yeah that man that was killed during the occupation was a guy named low voice and it comes so during the occupation authorities had orchestrated a traffic stop in a rural area with with no cell reception where they could easily arrest the leaders of the occupation so they pull over these two cars and they arrest Ammon Bundy they arrest several other people but lavoy finna come decided to drive away from that traffic stop actually tried to blow through a road block drive around it into the snow and then he he jumped out of the car all that was caught on tape and you narrative force in the first season of Bundy fill the scene picks up right after the voice in a come jumps out of his car and warning this is tape of a police shooting someone fires two shots that hit the truck.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

03:56 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KQED Radio

"Uhhuh from the center for investigative reporting in P. R. X. this is revealed I'm a let's this month to mass shootings happened within hours of each other over thirty people were killed afterwards people last familiar question how could this be happening today we're gonna be tackling that question by looking at how a group of people with extremist ideas increased violence to get their way and now they're believed to spread and in some ways become more dangerous the story takes us back to January twenty sixteen the sun is shining in the sky but the air is frigid in a small Oregon town man in a cowboy hat and a sick one of flannel climbs up the snow bank at the edge of a grocery store parking lot in calls out to a crowd of his supporters I'm not asking you to follow me I go to them now you're National Wildlife Refuge and we're gonna make a harsh Ammon Bundy his short speech on that snow bank kicked off a six week arm standoff with the federal government in a remote bird sanctuary in the middle of winter it's crucial that you understand what's going on here what this issue is truly about it's about our federal government taking over private property this Bundy's second arm stand off his supporters believe that the federal government has no right to public lands it should turn them over to the states M. as father Cliven Bundy had for decades use public land to graze his cattle but refused to pay the federal fees in twenty fourteen the federal government came to collect that ended in the first arms stand off with the Bundys at their ranch in Vacaville Nevada we take you back to the standoff because they lead directly to our story today how anti government groups and individuals a surface to support the Bundys didn't go away when the Bundy state instead over the past few years people within those groups have become worn bold and willing to use violence to get what they want today we're teaming up with the podcast Bundy bill produced by Oregon public broadcasting and long weeks to see how the violence that started with the Bundys has spread but the bills host Lisa Tilly joins me now Hey has gone so before we get to season to remind us what happened to the bodies after those two standoff came to an end both of those ended with these trials that a lot of critics would say the government botch so with the Nevada case they ended in a mistrial and in order again they ended in acquittals for for the bunny brothers and their co defendants so what's motivating the Bundys mean how did they get to the point of the first stand off I think to understand the bunny family you kind of have to understand that where they come from there's a real kind of anti government sentiment that a lot of people share you can look to win the Mormons came west in the eighteen hundreds part of the reason they did that was to get away from the federal government but then the government came to them and sort of started this idea that a lot of Mormons in that area feel that they were persecuted for their religion by the government so all this kind of led to Cliven Bundy standing off with the government in twenty fourteen so yeah how did those religious beliefs kind of drives this this confrontation with the federal government the Bundy is hold a pretty specific set of friends religious beliefs that a lot of Mormons would not agree with and in fact the mainstream Mormon church in Salt Lake City wouldn't agree with so my reporting led me to this thing called the white horse prophecy which is basically this kind of urban legend among Mormon communities that that some people believe Joseph Smith the profit of the church told our early Mormons that they would settle in the Rocky Mountains and that one day the U. S..

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

02:56 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KQED Radio

"Truck he stumbles through knee deep snow keep shouting his hands are up at first then he reaches for his jacket pocket inside is a loaded handgun he puts his hands up again he reaches hands up reach finally police do shoot him he never managed to grab the gun so investigators released this video it in two different vantage points one was aerial footage from a law enforcement drone the other was taken by a smartphone by people inside the cab of the truck so watching the video you see everything unfold like you there how did this incident add more fuel to the fire for the anti government movement well the the response was almost immediate shortly after the shooting a memorial popped up at the snow bank where people who supported the Bundys and the anti government movement talked about it like it was a murder or an assassination are kind of this carefully orchestrated hit by the government on on a member of the patriot movement even though it was so clear from that footage that you saw these two angles and he's saying you're going to have to shoot me that that was a justified police shooting so in his death I really found in my months even years of an investigation that it it becomes really intertwined with the militia groups in these anti government groups that showed up at the Bundy sand asana became this target for their anger and that's where you pick up with season two tracking those other groups that tells a little about them like who they are and what are they doing sure at both of of the Bundys high profile standoffs you so groups like the oath keepers which is one of the largest most well known malicious across the country came to their side the side another militia group called the three percenters chapters from nearby states coming to their side on my reporting I started to see these other threads picking up of white supremacy and violence in these ideologies that that had been there long before these two standoffs I think it's important to note that groups like the oath keepers were actually in Charlottesville taking the side of the old right during the protests that have been there yeah and I think that these are groups that generally wouldn't be very fired up about ranching right like the bodies sort of provided a great platform to fight the government and that's often I think with the take away that my reporting is found is that it's it has very little to do with the constitution has very little to do with ranching and often times is just looking for new ways to fight off the government and to kind of force a belief system like what we side at Charlotte on display that's Lisa Tilly host of the podcast series Bundy Phil so how does that believe system inspired.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

04:13 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KQED Radio

"Those groups have become one bold and willing to use violence to get what they want today we're teaming up with the podcast Bundy ville produced by Oregon public broadcasting and long weeks to see how the violence that started with the Bundys has spread but he will host Lisa Tilly joins me now Hey has gone so before we get to season to remind us what happened to the Bundys after those two standoff came to an end both of those ended with these trials that a lot of critics would say the government botch so with the Nevada case they ended in a mistrial and in order again they ended in acquittals for for the bunny brothers and their co defendants so what's motivating the Bundys mean how did they get to the point of the first stand off I think to understand the bunny family you kind of have to understand where they come from there's a real kind of anti government sentiment that a lot of people share you can look to win the Mormons came west in the eighteen hundreds part of the reason they did that was to get away from the federal government but then the government came to them and sort of started this idea that a lot of Mormons in that area feel that they were persecuted for their religion by the government so all this kind of led to Cliven Bundy standing off with the government in twenty fourteen so yeah how did those religious beliefs kind of drive this this confrontation with the federal government the Bundy is hold I'm pretty specific set of friends religious beliefs that a lot of Mormons would not agree with and in fact the mainstream Mormon church in Salt Lake City wouldn't agree with so my reporting led me to this thing called the white horse prophecy which is basically this kind of urban legend among Mormon communities that that some people believe Joseph Smith the profit of the church told early Mormons that they would settle in the Rocky Mountains and that one day the U. S. constitution would hang by a thread and it would be up to the Mormon people to save that from ruin now the church in Salt Lake doesn't think this is actually a real prophecy but the bunny family does in a lot of other people in these kind of anti government communities also believe that they believe that their fight against the government is in them actually saving the constitution from real in so where do the Bundys motivations and beliefs overlap with other groups that you've been tracking sense if you look at the the anti government movement you might remember things like ruby ridge and the Waco standoff with the branch Davidians and both of those events ended and people dying at the hands of the government a lot of those were kids so the anti government groups use those instances as recruitment tools times when they can say look that the federal government will come after people who live differently or do things their own way and they kind of turned a blind eye to the laws that were being broken by those people involved in ruby ridge and Waco so those events really informed Cliven Bundy in his belief that the government was after people so then when they came to collect his grazing fees he was seeing it as just the next chapter of ruby ridge and Waco but more recent turning point happened at the second by the standoff there was a shooting of one of the leaders of the occupation and that's gone on to inspire people to this day yeah and that man that was killed during the occupation was a guy named lavoy finna comes so during the occupation authorities had orchestrated a traffic stop in a rural area went with no cell reception where they could easily arrest the leaders of the occupation so we pull over these two cars and they arrest Ammon Bundy they arrest several other people but lavoy finna come decided to drive away from that traffic stop actually tried to blow through a road block drive around it into the snow and then he he jumped out of the car all of that was caught on tape and you narrate a force in the first season of Bundy fill the scene picks up right after the voice in a come jumps out of his car and warning this is tape of a police shooting someone fires two shots that hit the.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

03:27 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KCRW

"Hands up again he reaches hands up reach finally police do shoot an he never managed to grab the gun so investigators released this video and in two different vantage points one was aerial footage from a law enforcement drone the other was taken by a smartphone by people inside the cab of the truck so watching the video you see everything unfold like you're there how did this incident add more fuel to the fire for the anti government movement well the the response was almost immediate shortly after the shooting a memorial popped up at the snow bank where people who supported the Bundy is and the anti government movement talked about it like it was a murder or an assassination or kind of this carefully orchestrated hit by the government on on a member of the patriot movement even though it was so clear from that footage that you saw these two angles and he's saying you're gonna have to shoot me that that was a justified police shooting so in his death I really found in my months even years of it investigation that it it becomes really inter twined with the militia groups in these anti government groups that showed up at the Bundy sand asana became this target for their anger and that's where you pick up with season two tracking those other groups that tells a little about them like who they are and what are they doing sure at both of of the Bundys high profile standoffs you so groups like the oath keepers which is one of the largest most well known malicious across the country came to their side the side another militia group called the three percenters chapters from nearby states coming to their side my reporting I started to see these other threads picking up of white supremacy and violence in these ideologies that that had been there long before these two standoffs I think it's important to note that groups like the oath keepers were actually in Charlottesville taking the side of the old right during the protests that have been there yeah and I think that these are groups that generally wouldn't be very fired up about ranching right like the Bundy sort of provided a great platform to fight the government and that's often I think with the take away that my reporting is found is that it has very little to do with the constitution has very little to do with ranching and often times is just looking for new ways to fight off the government and to kind of force a belief system like what we side at Charlottesville on display that's Lisa Tilly host of the podcast series Bundy Phil so how does that believe system inspired violence when we come back Lee investigates that by heading to the scene of a bombing in the van that's coming up on reveal from the center for investigative reporting and P. R. X. hundreds of undocumented workers arrested many of them parents the impact of immigration rates this week Mississippi plus how the Latino community shattered by violence and hate is finding comfort singing it's not just an act of grief but also an act of protest saying that we're here a pass is remembrance of a more the next weekend edition NPR.

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

12:47 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KCRW

"Seventy two along the coast the center for investigative reporting and P. R. X. this is revealed and now let's Ammon Bundy got into two arms standoffs with the federal government it's about our federal government taking over private property years after the standoff ended the Bundy supporters are still active the Bundys inspired a lot of people who say they don't like what they're seeing in America people or her walking Kelly ation revenge they won't pay back for a lot of times today on reveal we team up with the podcast Bundy to find out what's happening inside the anti government movement but first this news live from NPR news in Washington I'm Barbara Klein accused sex trafficker Jeffrey abstain has hanged himself his body was found in his jail cell at a federal jail in Manhattan at around seven thirty this morning he was belt being held without bail after federal prosecutors charged him with sex trafficking girls as young as fourteen New York times reporter Michael gold is been covering the app sting case and says some of Epstein's alleged victims say they're disappointed we did hear from one of the people who kidnapped abstain who said that she you know is disappointed that he won't fully be brought to justice by weight when I entirely sure where the case will go from here that sting had pleaded not guilty to the charges his death comes a day after a federal appeals court released thousands thousands of pages of documents detailing abstains recruitment of young women and girls for powerful politicians businessmen and foreign leaders president trump says north Korea's leader wants to meet again after joint US South Korea military exercises end the president this morning tweeted details of the latest letter he received from Kim Jong un after Pyongyang fired what appears to have been more short range missiles the fifth launch in less than three weeks and piers Anthony kun reports president trump told reporters on Friday that he had received a beautiful three page letter from north Korean leader Kim Jong un he admitted that Kim wrote that he was displeased with the military drills which began this month North Korea emphasized that displeasure a few short hours later by firing off two missiles which traveled about two hundred and fifty miles before landing in the E. C. experts believe that besides making a political statement with the launches the north is trying to improve its capability to penetrate US and south Korean missile defenses so that it can hit any target in South Korea including bases housing some twenty eight thousand US troops Anthony cannon NPR news Hong Kong a funeral is under way in Dayton for one of nine people killed in last weekend's mass shooting and peers Bobby Allen reports one victim's family had just been recovering from tornadoes Dion green held his father Derek fudge as he was killed along with eight others when a gunman sprayed a crowd with bullets in downtown day and it's a nightmare at the sos but for green it comes after another tragedy a series of tornadoes that swept through the area in late may destroying parts of his home I mean I'm still in tragic shot from being at home with my fiance and my daughter in eighteen tornadoes just touches my area in just tears is all a part of life I'm still fighting that battle appeal then I get not back down again greens fiance survived the shooting and they're starting to get their house into better shape Bobbi Allen NPR news day and this is NPR democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren today introduced a plan to reduce gun deaths by eighty percent it includes background checks a ban on assault style weapons a federal gun licensing system in a moment minimum age for purchasing a gun a federal judge is siding with the Virginia man who sued his high school over a ban on trans gender bathrooms NPR's ladle Layla Fadhil reports civil rights advocates are hailing the decision is a victory the judge wrote in her decision that Gavin grams rights under the US constitution's equal protection clause and federal policy that protects against gender based discrimination were violated when his high school didn't allow him to use the bathroom that matched his gender identity there's no question the judge wrote the board's policy discriminates against transgender students on the basis of their gender non conformity grin now twenty has been fighting this battle in courts for years and his fight has come to symbolize the battle for transgender rights across the country the win follows other court rulings in favor of transgender students in states like Maryland Pennsylvania and Wisconsin school policies though remaining consistent across the country they love falls in NPR news police in Hong Kong again firing tear gas at pro democracy demonstrators who are back in the streets for a tenth consecutive weekend including at the airport where they're holding a three day protest and trying to explain their calls to visitors I'm Barbara Klein NPR news support for NPR comes from NPR stations other contributors include the leukemia and lymphoma society the leukemia and lymphoma society is committed to bringing hope to patients with acute myeloid leukemia through its precision medicine clinical trial learn more at LL ask dot org move uhhuh center for investigative reporting in P. 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X. this is revealed I'm a let's this month to mass shootings happened within hours of each other over thirty people were killed afterwards people last familiar question how could this be happening today we're gonna be tackling that question by looking at how a group of people with extremist ideas increased violence to get their way and now they're believed to spread and in some ways become more dangerous the story takes us back to January twenty sixteen the sun is shining in the sky but the air is frigid and a small Oregon town man in a cowboy hat and a sick one of flannel climbs up the snow bank at the edge of a grocery store parking lot in calls out to a crowd of his supporters I'm not asking you to follow me I go to them now you're National Wildlife Refuge and we're gonna make a harsh there that Ammon Bundy his short speech on that snow bank kicked off a six week arm standoff with the federal government in a remote bird sanctuary in the middle of winter it's crucial that you understand what's going on here what this issue is truly about it's about our federal government taking over private property this Bundy's second arm standoff his supporters believe that the federal government has no right to public lands it should turn them over to the states there was father Cliven Bundy had for decades use public land to graze his cattle but refused to pay the federal fees in twenty fourteen the federal government came to collect that ended in the first arms stand off with the Bundys at their ranch in Bunker Hill Nevada we take you back to the standoff because they lead directly to our story today anti government groups and individuals a service to support the Bundys didn't go away when the Bundy state instead over the past few years people within those groups have become more bold and willing to use violence to get what they want today we're teaming up with the podcast Bundy bill produced by Oregon public broadcasting and long weeks to see how the violence that started with the Bundys has spread but the bills host Lisa Tilly joins me now Hey has gone so before we get to the season to remind us what happened to the Bundys after those two standoff came to an end both of those ended with these trials that a lot of critics would say the government botch so with the Nevada case they ended in a mistrial and in order again they ended in acquittals for for the bunny brothers and their co defendants so what's motivating the Bundys mean how did they get to the point of the first stand off I think to understand the bunny family you kind of have to understand that where they come from there's a real kind of anti government sentiment that a lot of people share you can look to win the Mormons came west in the eighteen hundreds part of the reason they did that was to get away from the federal government but then the government came to them and sort of started this idea that a lot of Mormons in that area feel that they were persecuted for their religion by the government so all this kind of led to Cliven Bundy standing off with the government in twenty fourteen so yet how did those religious beliefs kind of drives this this confrontation with the federal government the Bundy is hold a pretty specific set of friends religious beliefs that a lot of Mormons would not agree with and in fact the mainstream Mormon church in Salt Lake City when agree with so my reporting led me to this thing called the white horse prophecy which is basically this kind of urban legend among Mormon communities that that some people believe Joseph Smith the profit of the church told our early Mormons that they would settle in the Rocky Mountains and that one day the U. S. constitution would hang by a thread and it would be up to the Mormon people to save that from ruin now the church in Salt Lake doesn't think this is actually a real prophecy but the bunny family does in a lot of other people in these kind of anti government communities also believe that they believe that their fight against the government is them actually saving the constitution from ruin so where do the Bundys motivations and beliefs overlap with other groups that you've been tracking sense if you look at the the anti government movement you might remember things like ruby ridge and the Waco standoff with the branch Davidians and both of those events ended and people dying at the hands of the government a lot of those were kids so the anti government groups use those instances as recruitment tools times when they can say look that the federal government will come after people who live differently or do things their own way and they kind of turned a blind eye to the laws that were being broken by those people involved in ruby ridge and Waco so those events really informed Cliven Bundy in his belief that the government was after people so then when they came to collect his grazing fees he was seeing it as just the next chapter of ruby ridge and Waco but more recent turning point happened at the second one the standoff there was a shooting of one of the leaders of the occupation and that's gone on to inspire people to this day yeah and that man that was killed during the occupation was a guy named low voice finna comes so during the occupation authorities had orchestrated a traffic stop in a rural area with with no cell reception where they could easily arrest the leaders of the occupation so they pull over these two cars and they arrest Ammon Bundy they arrest several other people but lavoy finna come decided to drive away from that traffic stop actually tried to blow through a road block drive around it into the snow and then he he jumped out of the car all that was caught on tape and you narrative force in the first season of Bundy fill the scene picks up right after the voice in the come jumps out of his car and warning this is tape of a police shooting someone fires two shots that hit the truck he stumbles through knee deep snow keep shouting his hands are up at first then he reaches for his jacket pocket inside is a loaded handgun he put his.

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Reveal

02:52 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on Reveal

"In february at a truck stop outside salt lake city utah lisa tilly and ryan has of the podcast bundy have come to guy in bill keyboard. Keebler blur has been involved with the patriot movement since the bundy's first standoff with the federal government in bunkerville nevada. He says he ran security there afterwards he he started his own militia fifty seven year old william keebler is known by the f._b._i. As a commander of a citizen militia group called the patriots defense force in june of two thousand sixteen that would he hit the button to designate what he thought was a bomb to destroy a building owned by the bureau of land management but it turns out the bomb was a fake komo undercover f._b._i. Agents had given him the device. He pled guilty to the attempted bombing and served time in jail. Now he's out on probation. Leeann ryan pick up the story at that restaurant and salt lake smokes and coffee real quick. They'll keep learn looks like a shriveling old ranch chand. He's got leathery skin. Smoker's cough says he beat cancer once and has had four heart procedures two thousand thirteen and i had a massive heart attack and had to go in for mercy open heart surgery. We're at a denny's tucked into the corner of the truckstop for most most of his working years. Keebler was a horse wrangler and hunting guide with his own company. We ease into the conversation. Ryan and i are just trying to get a feel for who we're talking to what we can and can't ask but it turns out gablers a storyteller and he's happy to talk all about his past. He's got stories from his time. I'm in the army bravo. Infantry went to a lotta specialized training fort bend when germany i'll l. ended there and i think one of the friday saturday morning i woke up on russian communist. Russian border says he also knows his way around computers. Do i used to do costa taster trish. They can't break and they still have nothing. I mean good anyway even says he has a black belt in kung fu fhu studied numerous black belt in four different styles. He says he created his own system of kung fu. You can tell keebler likes to think of himself as a kind of elderly rambo your own and i should be clear. I wasn't able to verify most of his stories but i also wasn't in utah taught to figure out whether he got third place in the kung fu world championships. I wanted to know what happened with the f._b._i. But i that meant convincing him that we weren't f._b._i. Agents raid to talk to people like you. I'm gonna be honestly it would surprise me. Both david pulled out..

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on Reveal

Reveal

04:01 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on Reveal

"The old rate during the protests that happen there yeah and i think if it these are groups that generally wouldn't be very fired up about ranching rightly the bundy's sort of provided a great platform to fight the government and that's often. I think what the takeaway that my reporting has found is that it's it has very little to do with the the constitution has very little to do with ranching oftentimes is just looking for new ways to fight off the government and to kind of force <hes> a a belief system like what we saw it at charlottesville on display that's lee host of the podcast series bundy ville so how does that belief system mm-hmm inspire violence when we come back lee investigates that by heading to the scene of a bombing in the fateh mcconnell explosive. That's coming up on reveal from the center for investigative. Reporting impe are ex <music> you from the center for investigative reporting in p. r. x. viz is reveal ville. I'm outlet today. Were teaming up with the creators of the podcast bundy ville from oregon public broadcasting and long rates their second season dropped a couple of weeks ago and they're investigating some acts of domestic terror that connected to the bundy's supporters season two begins with a bombing in the summer of twenty sixteen that i bet you never heard of a warning before we get started. This story contains some violent scenes his money ville host lisa tilly panetta is this gravelly town on the nevada side of the border with utah about three hours north of las vegas a desert outpost that was founded in the eighteen sixty s by mormon pioneers panetta is god country and such a western cliche that i literally watched tumbleweed roll down the middle tolls street not much happens here but that wasn't the case on july thirteenth two thousand sixteen nine one one. What is your emergency. Hello ma'am ma'am cake for me. Okay and i i can barely hear. You said he was gonna kill you. He said he's calling explosives. You can't are you away from the home. Mm-hmm tiffany cluff was inside her house with her three daughters. When a man came to the door said he was going to blow her house up she should get the kids and leave and demand then lit the fuse on the bomb he'd put inside. The house walked to his car. Got inside lit another bomb and shot himself in the head and then everything blew up <music> shrapnel went everywhere curving in long arcs over the town just down the street. The county sheriff's black black smoke and a mushroom cloud billowing into the sky just a moment but i do need conditional information from the okay here. Also she cooks. We have one dispatcher time. She calls back in jail any book it right now. In your nine hundred starts going crazy. All all all nine lines all administrative. I just couldn't y'all that's lincoln county sheriff jerry lee. He lives down the street. He had no idea what was going on a who was involved but tiffany cluff..

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on Reveal

Reveal

03:55 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on Reveal

"From the center for investigative reporting m._p._r. X. is real. I'm l. Let this month to to mass. Shootings happened within hours of each other over. Thirty people were killed. Afterwards people asked familiar question. How could this be happening reading today. We're going to be tackling that question by looking at how a group of people with extremist ideas embraced violence to get their way and how their beliefs leafs spread and in some ways become more dangerous. The story takes us back to january two thousand sixteen. The sun is shining in the sky but the air is frigid in a small oregon town man in a cowboy hat and a thick winter flannel climbs up a snow bank at the edge of a grocery store parking lot and calls out to a crowd of his supporters. I'm asking you to follow me and go to the merrier national wildlife refuge and we're gonna make a harsh stand. That's ammon bundy. He's short speech on that snow. Bank kicked off a six week armed standoff with the federal government in a remote bird sanctuary in the middle of winter. It's crucial social. They you understand what's going on here. What this issue is truly about. It's about our federal government taking over private property. This is bundy's second armed standoff. He and his supporters believed that the federal government has no right to public lands and should turn them over to the states amens father cliven cliven bundy had for decades us public land to graze his cattle but refused to pay the federal fees in twenty fourteen. The federal government came to collect elect and that ended in the first armed standoff with the bundys at their ranch in bunkerville nevada. We take you back to the standoffs because they lead directly to our story today. How anti-government groups and individuals surface to support the bundy's didn't go away when the bundy's did instead over over the past few years people within those groups have become more emboldened and willing to use violence to get what they want today. We're teaming up with the podcast has bundy ville produced by oregon public broadcasting and long rates to see how the violence that started with the bundys has spread bonnevilles hosts. Lisa tilly joins me now now. Elliot hey has gone so before we get to season to remind us what happened to the bundy's after those two standoffs came to an end both of those ended ended with these trials that a lot of critics would say the government botched so with the nevada case. They ended in a mistrial in oregon. They ended in acquittals for for the bundy brothers and their co-defendants so what's motivating the bundy's. How did they get to the point of the first standoff. I think to understand the bundy family family you kind of have to understand that where they come from. There's a real kind of anti-government sentiment that a lot of people share you can look to <hes> when the mormons came west in eighteen hundreds <hes> part of the reason they did that was to get away from the federal government but then the government came to them and sort of started this idea that a lot of mormons in that area feel that they were persecuted for their religion by the government so all of this kind of led to cliven and bundy's standing off with the government in two thousand fourteen saliha how those religious beliefs cut of drive this this confrontation with the federal government the bundy's hold a pretty specific set of fringe religious beliefs that a lot of mormons would not agree with and in fact the mainstream mormon church in salt lake city wouldn't agree with so so my reporting led me to this thing called the white horse prophecy which is basically this kind of urban legend among mormon communities that that that some people believe joseph smith the prophet of the church told <hes> early mormons that they would settle in the rocky mountains and that one day the u._s..

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

02:52 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"He stumbles through knee deep snow keep shouting his hands are up at first then he reaches for his jacket pocket inside is a loaded handgun he puts his hands up again he reaches hands up reach finally police do shoot an he never managed to grab the gun so investigators released this video and in two different vantage points one was aerial footage from a law enforcement drone the other was taken by a smartphone by people inside the cab of the truck so watching the video you see everything unfold like you there how did this incident add more fuel to the fire for the anti government movement well the the response was almost immediate shortly after the shooting a memorial popped up at the snow bank where people who supported the Bundys and the anti government movement talked about it like it was a murder or an assassination or kind of this carefully orchestrated hit by the government on on a member of the patriot movement even though it was so clear from that footage that you saw these two angles and he's saying you're gonna have to shoot me that that was a justified police shooting so in his death I really found in my months even years of it investigation that it it becomes really inter twined with the militia groups in these anti government groups that showed up at the bunny sand asana became this target for their anger and that's where you pick up with season two tracking those other groups that tells a little about them like who they are and what are they doing sure it both of of the Bundys high profile standoffs you so groups like the oath keepers which is one of the largest most well known malicious across the country came to their side you saw another militia group called the three percenters chapters from nearby states coming to their side on my reporting I started to see these other threats picking up of white supremacy and violence in these ideologies that that had been there long before these two standoffs I think it's important to note that groups like the oath keepers were actually in Charlottesville taking the side of the old right during the protests that have been there yeah and I think that these are groups that generally wouldn't be very fired up about ranching right like the bodies sort of provided a great platform to fight the government and that's often I think with the take away that my reporting is found is that it has very little to do with the constitution has very little to do with ranching and often times is just looking for new ways to fight off the government and to kind of force a belief system like what we saw it at Charlottesville on display that's Lisa Tilly host of the podcast series Bundy Phil so how does that believe system.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

04:22 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Anti government groups and individuals the surface to support the Bundys didn't go away when the Bundy state instead over the past few years people within those groups have become more bold and willing to use violence to get what they want today we're teaming up with the podcast Bundy bill produced by Oregon public broadcasting and long weeks to see how the violence that started with the Bundys has spread but the bills host Lisa Tilly joins me now Hey has gone so before we get to the season to remind us what happened to the Bundys after those two standoff came to an end both of those ended with these trials that a lot of critics would say the government botch so with the Nevada case they ended in a mistrial and in order again they ended in acquittals for for the bunny brothers and their co defendants so what's motivating the Bundys mean how did they get to the point of the first stand off I think to understand the bunny family you kind of have to understand where they come from there's a real kind of anti government sentiment that a lot of people share you can look to win the Mormons came west in the eighteen hundreds part of the reason they did that was to get away from the federal government but then the government came to them and sort of started this idea that a lot of Mormons in that area feel that they were persecuted for their religion by the government so all this kind of led to Cliven Bundy standing off with the government in twenty fourteen so yeah how did those religious beliefs kind of drive this this confrontation with the federal government the Bundy is hold a pretty specific set of friends religious beliefs that a lot of Mormons would not agree with and in fact the mainstream Mormon church in Salt Lake City wouldn't agree with so my reporting led me to this thing called the white horse prophecy which is basically this kind of urban legend among Mormon communities that that some people believe Joseph Smith the profit of the church told our early Mormons that they would settle in the Rocky Mountains and that one day the US constitution would hang by a thread and it would be up to the Mormon people to save that from ruin now the church in Salt Lake doesn't think this is actually a real prophecy but the bunny family does in a lot of other people in these kind of anti government communities also believe that they believe that their fight against the government is them actually saving the constitution from real in so where do the Bundys motivations and beliefs overlap with other groups that you've been tracking sense if you look at the the anti government movement you might remember things like ruby ridge and the Waco standoff with the branch Davidians and both of those events ended and people dying at the hands of the government a lot of those were kids so the anti government groups use those instances as recruitment tools times when they can say look that the federal government will come after people who live differently or do things their own way and they kind of turned a blind eye to the laws that were being broken by those people involved in ruby ridge and Waco so those events really informed Cliven Bundy in his belief that the government was after people so then when they came to collect his grazing fees he was seeing it as just the next chapter of ruby ridge and Waco but more recent turning point happened at the second one the standoff there was a shooting of one of the leaders of the occupation and that's gone on to inspire people to this day yeah and that man that was killed during the occupation was a guy named low voice and it comes so during the occupation authorities had orchestrated a traffic stop in a rural area with with no cell reception where they could easily arrest the leaders of the occupation so they pull over these two cars and they arrest Ammon Bundy they arrest several other people but lavoy finna come decided to drive away from that traffic stop actually tried to blow through a road block drive around it into the snow and then he he jumped out of the car all that was caught on tape and you narrative force in the first season of Bundy fill the scene picks up right after the voice in the come jumps out of his car and warning this is tape of a police shooting someone fires two shots hit the truck.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

01:33 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on KCRW

"The imitation game on designing machine that will allow us to break every message every day it's during is also considered the father of modern computing attitude and the I there is a computer as the thing on which you plan out the computer program injure Hodges is a mathematical physicist at the university of Oxford he wrote a biography of touring and that sounds completely crazy but it is not as what he did and give the flavor of the way in which he was so far ahead of its time Turing's work was cut short in nineteen fifty two when he was convicted of gross indecency for having a sexual relationship with another man he chose to be chemically castrated rather than serve jail time and his security clearance was taken away he died two years later widely thought to have been suicide Turing was cleared of that conviction in twenty thirteen and now fully recognized for his brilliance he will appear on the same currency notes as the queen who pardoned him the Bundy family is at the heart of an ideological battle in the western U. S. in two thousand fourteen the family patriarch Cliven Bundy had an armed standoff with federal agents at his Nevada ranch over cattle grazing rights that in two thousand sixteen his son's let an occupation of the mount your wildlife refuge in Oregon in both cases the message was that the federal government has no right to own western lands Lisa Tilly cover those stories as a public radio reporter and decided to dig into the more deeply with the podcast Bundy ville the first season explored the roots of the family's mistrust of the federal government their motivations are complicated religion part.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on 90.3 KAZU

90.3 KAZU

01:46 min | 1 year ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on 90.3 KAZU

"To announce that the scientist that will feature on the fifty pound note is Alan Terry that is mark Carney governor of the bank of England making the announcement Alan Turing is probably best known for cracking the **** code known as enigma a feat depicted in the two thousand fourteen film the imitation game on designing machines that will allow us to break every message every day it's is also considered the father of modern computing attitude and the I there is a computer as the thing on which to play out the computer program injure Hodges is a mathematical physicist at the university of Oxford he wrote a biography of touring and that sounds completely crazy but it is not as what he did and give the flavor of the way in which he was so far ahead of its time Turing's work was cut short in nineteen fifty two when he was convicted of gross indecency for having a sexual relationship with another man he chose to be chemically castrated rather than serve jail time and his security clearance was taken away he died two years later widely thought to have been suicide Turing was cleared of that conviction in twenty thirteen and now fully recognized for his brilliance he will appear on the same currency notes as the queen who pardoned him the Bundy family is at the heart of an ideological battle in the western U. S. in two thousand fourteen the family patriarch Cliven Bundy had an armed standoff with federal agents at his Nevada ranch over cattle grazing rights that in two thousand sixteen his son's let an occupation of the mail here wildlife refuge in Oregon in both cases the message was that the federal government has no right to own western lands Lisa Tilly cover those stories as a public radio reporter and decided to dig into the more deeply with the podcast Bundy ville the first season explored the roots of the family's mistrust.

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on 99 Percent Invisible

99 Percent Invisible

04:04 min | 2 years ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on 99 Percent Invisible

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"lisa tilly" Discussed on 99 Percent Invisible

99 Percent Invisible

05:24 min | 2 years ago

"lisa tilly" Discussed on 99 Percent Invisible

"I'm doing a special live event that I'm really excited about. If I had to choose, but gun to my head, I say my favorite band of all time was Java from Washington DC. Even though I spent most of my life going up in the south and central Ohio. It was the DC punk rock scene that spoke to me. I never quite latched onto the punk nihilism of New Yorker LA, but DC had all the anger and action of those scenes mixed with fierce independence and social responsibility, and also really creative music. It was the creative force and informed everything I've made since then, including this podcast and radio topa Bill Bo was a guitarist ajar box, and he Cohen in India recommended. But now he's the president and co, founder of a design firm called three spot. We're committed to helping those who are committed to helping others, and we're going to have a live onstage interview about punk rock independence, creativity, and mission, and making quality work that matters join me and Bill plus special musical guest. I can't tell you who they are yet, but they make me very, very happy. I'm so excited for this fray special one of a kind live event hosted by the DC chapter of the day on Friday, September. Fourteenth at six pm at the Howard theatre in Washington DC go to DC dot g dot ORG for tickets. I really hope to see you there. It's like worth traveling to. So he's going to be that good. Thanks. This is ninety. Nine percent invisible. I'm Roman Mars. Most of the American west is owned by the federal government about eighty five percent of Nevada sixty one percent of Alaska and fifty three percent of Oregon. The list goes on and there have always been questions about how this immense swath of land should be used. Should we allow ranchers to graze cattle or should the western land be a place where wild animals can roam free and be protected, or is it land? We wanna reserve for recreation as you can imagine, there's no consensus on the answers to those questions, but there are a lot of strong feelings and over the years, those strong feelings have sometimes bubbled up to the surface and manifested in protests and even violence in two thousand sixteen a group of armed militants occupied malheur national wildlife refuge in western Oregon. There were led by cattle rancher by the name of Ammon Bundy the son of cliven Bundy preps you heard about it, but never really understood exactly what it was all about. Well, today we bring you a story from. Long reads in Oregon public broadcasting reported by Lisa Tilly, and it's the first in a series they put together that looks deeply into the fascinating and even sometimes wonky details of how the American west is managed, where the bundy's are so angry about it and the religious ideology that undergirds their fight against the federal government. It's an amazing series that spins a good yarn but also resonates with so many aspects of current US. Politics is also about land management, which is really exciting. From personally this episode, one of Bundy Ville. Here's Lisa Tilley. By his own account, Nevada, rancher cliven Bundy never wanted to start a war with the federal government. He says that if they just left them alone out here in the desert, none of this would have ever started. And if you want to see him as the folksy hero of a modern day western, you can choose to see him that way. Here's a good starting point. It's a random YouTube video, and it shows a blonde haired little boy toddler. He's wearing dusty, red polo shirt, blue jeans. He lays stunned in the dirt having just been knocked down and he's considering whether or not he wants to cry. He'll be up. Oh, makes broke. Boy shakes off his cowboy hat wearing grandpa and putters away. Zoll about raising Cowboys. He's tough. See out is he got run over by a horse and he's out there going all ready, nothing to it. He says, toddler looks back at his grandpa. He points to the west and the camera follows patch of bright green grass comes into view against the Nevada desert. It's the color of life. It stands out in place for everything else looks dead. This is Orlando. This land is a free land. This land is a place that we can enjoy and use. That's cliven Bundy as he'd like to be seen peaceful farmer home studying on one hundred sixty acre ranch near bunkerville, Nevada. But in two thousand fourteen just a few weeks after this video was shot on the same piece of land cliven Bundy and his sons were anything but peaceful. They'd raised a militia that was pointing guns at federal agents, what the bundy's called a tarantula government. Here he is onstage in bunkerville whipping the crowd into a frenzy demanding that the local sheriff bulldoze the buildings and the nearby national park so that the surrounding community might have free reign of land. Geico bait you. He says, you get the county equipment out there and tear those things down this morning. The sheriff just stands quietly on stage. He's guys thumbs hitched in his belt, the mob heckles in.

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