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Dealing w/ Trauma After a Police Shooting w/ Dr/ Allen Lipscomb

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Dealing w/ Trauma After a Police Shooting w/ Dr/ Allen Lipscomb

"Hey everyone and welcome to another episode Captain Hunters Others podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in. I really appreciate it. Thank you for the love and support that you all have been giving thus far. I have a little bit of a Frog Matt. Throw as I record this intro but the show must go on and all that so Let's just bear through it as we open up the show all the time. It's encourage curved. You all to go over to my Patriot page captain hunters podcasts. Make sure you become subscriber helps support the podcast you can also support the podcast through then Mo cash out pay pal all of those are. Cpt Al Hunter make sure that you all are going over to my website. I am doing some updates on the website as we speak and To visit the website Hunter Police Training Dot com police. TRAINING DOT com. 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Put out a number of different feelers number of different invites to have people on your podcast. with the thought process is that you know fifty percent of them will say no a lot the people said yes and so. That's how I got all backed up and everything but You know the thing about interviews. Is that these. Things remain timeless right so we can always go back and revisit these types of things so back the tragic death of Tatyana Jefferson down in Texas You know I really kind of thought about this and I remember the shooting of Miss Jefferson. We saw the the fact that she was actually killed in front of her nephew. I understand and that type of traumatic incident really does play a large part in The psychology in Psyche. This young man as he's going to grow up and so I thought about this and I decided to reach out to someone who with a lot more expertise than myself. And that's how I reached out to Dr Alan Lipscomb so we're a run through his a a bio then the second year but I really just kind of want to talk and just kind of paint the picture for you all as to why reached out to him. We seen so many tragic incidences all these different police shootings that have gone around the country. Some of them extremely viral. Some extremely violent. And we've seen not only the incidents but we've seen how the community entity reacts and we've seen her police department react and all that kind of stuff so I really wanted to talk about that and what we can see as what's going going on in this the psychology in the trauma that surrounds these different types of officer involved shootings in which Seemingly armed males are shut down killed. Now we can have a totally different discussion. I'm willing to have a totally different discussion at another point in time you know are these really unjustified shootings it's just because and let me be very clear just because the media says that the son was unarmed does not mean that they are not dangerous they cannot cause serious bodily injury and our harm or death to a police officer and or another civilian so You know in the media rights rights these narratives are two sides these narratives in order to paint a picture. But you have to be very cautious in what you take in in your heart and in your mind and what you allow into your own psyche right. Nevertheless there is a trauma Llama that accompanies these types of of events. And there's been a helplessness that many people in many communities have felt throughout the years. And this is what I want to talk about. If you listen to the episode with Dr Raphael I highly suggest you listen to that because he talks about the trauma that many Puerto Ricans are out on their island through colonialism into racism etc etc.. In how as a result of those traumatic instances is that many of those people have felt throughout their lives. They have turned to towards drugs to mask the pain or to ease the pain. And what have you so the same thing is happening with with African Americans As they seemingly are shot down by the police and so we see some type of trauma that goes on a retard the doctor lipscomb and I really appreciate appreciate him coming on. He really had a wealth of knowledge. And we're going to get into it and just a second here so let me just read from his bio so before we get into Alan and you gene lipscomb. He's got a doctorate in psychology. He's a licensed. Clinical Social Worker Assistant Professor in the Social Work Department at at California State. University Northridge Dr Lipscomb is a clinical psychologist by education in a licensed clinical social worker in the state of California -Fornia he double major psychology and black studies at UC Santa Barbara. You earned his masters of social work from the University of Southern California. In addition Dr Lipscomb received his doctorate in psychology with clinical emphasis in marriage family and child psychotherapy from Ryokan in college. His areas of research are centered around the psychiatric epidemiology among racialist in marginalized individuals who have experienced trauma complex trauma traumatic grief in raced base trauma specifically Dr Lipscomb has conducted numerous qualitative research. Studies ladies unrealized black identified men across the black African by spoarer in the United States exploring the grief loss in complex trauma experiences. So that's a little bit about my guest once again. We're going to be discussing trauma that black men are dealing with specifically black men are dealing with when they see what we can call controversial police shootings at the very minimum. Right once again I am going to have a show about About the different traumatic experiences. That are going going on in the hood so if anybody's wondering about you know one of my talk about that. Yes I am going to talk about that right. There are people who are growing up in Chicago and Detroit and all these other inner cities who are suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. Just like everyone else and all that kind of stuff so I do plan on doing a show about about that so distinct to for that but today's Today's show. We're going to talk about the trauma than many African American. Men feel occurs or goes on with them when they see the traumatic shooting The viral shootings on Youtube and the news bought another individual gunned down seemingly without justification. Now there's a lot of nuances to this and I get it I get the nuances that go on with this right and I as I've said before on my own podcast that you know just because something someone says something doesn't mean that it is that way and so therefore an investigation has to come forth and we have to wait for that investigation go forth but in the meantime they're still paying. There is still trauma and we still have to to deal with the person with the person people in the community in order to make them whole. That is Dr comes work and so we're going to discuss a little bit about his his work in what brought him to it so once again stay tuned and here we go. Here's an interview with Dr. Alan lipscomb all right. So so I like to welcome my special guest Dr Allen Lipscomb. Thank you so much for being gassed and Captain Hunters podcast. Thank you for having me absolutely absolutely so in the wake of these recent tragic shootings that we've been having Seems as if there's one every week or every The week or so in with the most recent one of at Tatyana Jefferson And her nephew being there I decided with the have you on the show just tried to understand what's going on and on psychological perspective as we go forward. How is this these types of shootings that we're seeing across the country affecting black males and all of the black community in particular so that's the reason to have you on? Thank you so much for agreeing to to come up. Definitely thank you. Thank you for having me on. So before we get into it Distilled audience a little bit about yourself. And how you got into this line of work. Did you always WanNa be a psychologist. Did you always want to deal with the helping. The black people in their emotional difficulties. Yes so this sir. My my professional journey to where I am today. is very personal to me My story starts off at the age of thirteen gene and at the age of thirteen. I was falsely accused of robbing a restaurant at gunpoint. Coincidentally enough off tonight that they say that the robbery happened was the same night of my thirteenth birthday. And so that was the genesis of me wanting to help and be of service to black folk in the black community in a deeper psychological way. Because of what I went through in that experience and so Years after that it changed the trajectory. Not only my personal life in my professional life You know went on and and double majored in psychology and Black Studies at the University of California Santa Barbara. I went on to get my masters in social work Focusing on concentrate on Families and children and then got licensed at the psychiatric social worker went back to school and got my doctorate in clinical psychology What I say to my students what I say to different constituents that I talked to engage with where is that? I became the clinician the therapists the mental health advocate that I always wished that I would have had at the age of thirteen and given what I have gone through. And so this is my my my passion work. This is my macro work And also my micro work but I continue to do ongoing in addition to my research so I am very much a practitioner scholar Educator My practice this drives my research which also informs my teaching and how I show up in an academic spaces. I am unapologetically. Lee Blackmail researcher I specifically look at Traumatic grief and loss among black men and they re clearly in in in the United States And looking at what are effective ways to go about doc. Killing black men who have experienced traumatic grief and loss. Can you talk a little bit about that experience that you had as far as the defiling emotions if you remember them when you were thirteen How that I mean you obviously arrested at? We'll just I don't know hotel's doing it. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I definitely remember it. You know. It's one of those things that I say it's the gift that keeps on giving it's a blessing and a curse right all right It was the feeling of knowing. You're truth. And who you are. But also learning and recognizing that the exterior truth of what you represent two people in how they see you based on being a black male body young. A young black male at that time dictates your experience psychologically and psycho socially in your community in your environment and so to have that meaning that being my truth in what I know myself to be at that time to be questioned to be identified into fight as someone that I knew I wasn't but but but but to experience law enforcement to experience the juvenile court system excetera to to actually believe it was me that does a special type of psychological trauma and injury to the young black male psyche And so what I carried with me and when I continued to carry with me although I have received my own mental health services is that out of knowing that although I know. I am true Educator I'm a father I am a spouse husband etc I also know so that how others see me based on my blacklist dictates my experience outside of by environment outside of my home and so no matter if law enforcement police car etc on the other side of the highway freeway if I see them whether it's sirens or not there's there's a reaction. My Body has a response to law enforcement and to this day. It's still stays with me and that's you know the the the gift I was talking about Better known as post traumatic stress disorder short. PTSD is that that that that that body memory right around around. What how? How quickly I I was believed to be Someone who had committed a AH crime and so going back to what you asked me that stayed with me and so I- experienced depression at thirteen years old. Not Knowing it. It didn't have a name for it. I went. My my parents saw that I was Experiencing something you know they they didn't name it either either. I don't know what it was and my family. We call it fair p talking to one right you need to talk to someone and they asked me. My mom asked me that and and I said yes and so our legal representation at the time Found therapists for me to to work with and it was an older white male out here in in Los Angeles California and I went for that first session to meet with him and and when I went into the office he said you know welcome you can have a seat anywhere. And he had a rocking chair and I was like I'm about to sit in Iraq and sham about Iraq uh-huh right and so when I went to sit in the chair he says But just not there. Wow and so what I learned and not only did that ruptured their relationship from the beginning. But I also realized that I cannot trust what people tell me. Wow while simultaneously Ashley going through this whole Being seen as someone that I was not now I'm really realizing hasn't gotten better. I can't trust right people. Tell me and so this could have been a corrective experience for the most part right instead. What it did was it told me you cannot trust him so I do it? A lot of men of color do and youth of color do when they have to go to therapy or counseling. If I start faking good right I'm okay it's cool. It's whatever. Yeah Yeah Okay. I'm good right. We did two sessions one by myself one way my mother and my father and and That was it right. I was like okay and I wasn't okay but I knew that there probably would have been more harm done in that space then then I if I were to continue their and so that goes back to what I was saying earlier regarding becoming the therapists that always had go ahead. No that's that's a fascinating story So did the therapist give you a reason as to why you could not sit there. That's my chair. So you ACIDINI way which is not there that part. I'm GonNa tell a story in my. My audience has heard this before but kind of goes into your so. I had Last last year I had triple bypass and there's a great emotional mental toll that has taken on people who go to that and I actually had to go speak with someone as well Because it was very I was a big big strong. Although I'm not that tall big strong police officer next thing in on being humbled by this little tiny vessels in my heart and all this kind of stuff so that really does take an emotional toll on people and so I had to go see a therapist and and he had a rocking chair in his office. So is that something that is just going on therapist office or or what is that you know what could is day. I have not seen gene. Another therapist office with rocking chairs. And you know I have my own office now here in the State of California And I supervise folks. Who are getting their hours towards licensure and I have yet to see someone with another actor now not to say it doesn't exist I think what they can provide for. Folks is is the the the soothing right the rocking self soothing. kind of behavior to assist with self-regulatory behavior When they're in the space so I get it right right clinically? What that's about but that wasn't nonetheless I was not able to Allow to sit in that chair. That's interesting so I want to know. You only went for two sessions with him. And how a and you felt that you as if you weren't going to get anything from them. Do you think that he was able able to understand your connection. I I know there's lessons were short. Would you think that he actually got or you think that was just something. He's totally dismissed. I don't think he got it. I think it was totally dismissed. And the reason why I say that is because knowing what I know now not only as a clinician therapist but also as an educator educator because I teach students graduate students going into the mental health profession how to engage doing that first initial session etc and so the fact back that he did not start with it that he didn't recognize what this must have been like in an in recognizing doesn't doesn't mean you have to understand it and get have firsthand lived experience if that empathy piece that you can tap into aspects of self that can relate to the other person soon on that sadness loss right depression level to say I get it I see it. I may not understand racially. I made a understand X.. Y. And the but I get how this has impacted you know that never did never happened in the two sessions that I have how many of your colleagues those of your peers who are Clinical psychologists particularly A A white ones White people how many of them do you think. Understand exactly where you're coming from. I don't even think many of them understand to be quite honest. This is why I do the research that I do. This is why I do the types of trainings and presentations that I do. Because it's no longer an excuse right to to not know what to do to not know how to hold space where a black male black youth etc who who is experienced experiencing racial isolation and I see race allies as a lost experience. That's part of the traumatic losses right not just physical losses like like death. I also see being racial is right being targeted based on the color of your skin right to be sad that you have done something to be shot murdered etc just because of your female typic- presentation. I don't think many of white clinicians therapists within the profession. Get it while day. How do you think it's it's a willful act not to get I mean? Is there a sense that I'll give you a little bit of law forks experience or in not even so much the law courts expect. I think just a general experience as to if you if something happens. They automatically see the negative. That's in the person right so we see the situation that happened in New York back. Eric Garner right. Say they say that. If you're gonNA just surrendered Eric Garner should have just not been selling cigarettes. Yada Yada Yada so so it does that play a part in where they think that we are bringing on this this this torment to ourselves. We're bringing on these problems to ourselves ourselves. We just comply. We just have better jobs if we just do whatever then these things will happen to us. Yeah what happens is because because as a country we have learned that we don't talk about offerings race and race relations and so what has happened on a more psychological logical level is that there's a cognitive dissonance. That happens so win folk see things like that in New York or what the brothers and Philly right at starbucks when they see that something happens on a deeper psychological level that needs to say to the person back this is not about race and so they create a narrative to lessen their discomfort around the race aspect. So that's the other story right. And so what. What what I say? What I pointed as is Rescuing another narrative outside of the narrative that is true in the space great so instead instead of saying yes. Eric Garner was Blah Blah Blah because Being blackmailed being big blackmail The the brothers in Philly really because they were black being targeted. You know by by Blah to lessen that they say well it's because of this. Here's another narrative if they're bringing it in there it's because they're doing their job is because they didn't pay for anything is because he resisted right. It's because he didn't put his hands up right and so there's always this rescuing another narrative what I challenge people. I say what wasn't about my narrative or the black person's narrative that you need to leave it and going rescue another narrative but why can't cover just be us why can't it just be and in addition to that. Why can't there be multiple truths that exist in the space right? So could he have resist it. Yes did that play out. Yes but what also happened and simultaneously is that he was choked to death. What also happened is that there were multiple? You know officers who took him down. So there's multiple choice that exists in the space as opposed to there being only one truth and so what I know people try to defend only one truth but there could be multiple truths that exists in space. And that's the thing around Holding going back to the earlier question holding white conditions therapists accountable for how to show up in the space when they're working with black males or black folk in general who are sharing narrative narrative that they can't relate to. You don't need to rescue another narrative. That's not myspace. Because you're uncomfortable. What you need to do is challenge yourself to stay in it? Ah connected invalidate honor the truth that is given in the space. Do you give presentations to other clinicians and to tell them this tidily I do and how it received you know for the most part it's received very well To this date. When I do my presentations on blackmail grief and trauma I will inevitably get someone one person who who either raised their hand or come up to me at the end of my talk and say this is great however comma? How come you're not focusing on such and such men y only black men right? Why not like you know males why not you know Asian American why not I native etc and what I tell? Obama is that if I were presenting research unless they ovarian cancer would you have asked me at the end of that a presentation. How come I'm not doing research on testicular cancer again? There's something about the race piece. There's something about talking talking about black all things black and race and racism etc that people cannot tolerate specially white folk. And so what happens is they're wanting to bring others into the story like I said I'm unapologetically doing blackmail grief research. Why because it's not being done? Why because I have a responsibility as and blackmail researcher educator clinician to highlight these stories to highlight relied effective ways to to not only further traumatized but also to check oneself so that they can provide therapeutic healing spaces that will allow for black men and black folk to really heal? Well that's powerful stuff. Thank you so much for doing research. Art Abdur I do know. Well now I know of you also know of another Psychologist Tummy Curry No. He's he's a sociologist. Tommy Curry I think his name is from Texas am but anyway. I'm glad that people are looking at this and going forward with the studies I wanted to talk about an article that you wrote or blackmail. Hunting illogical secondary murder. Yes thank you so much. Thank you so the mouthful yes it is yes it is So as I was reading through it you have an in the abstract attract you have three major themes on what to discuss these three major things because this is what plays out so many times When we see these types of traumas but before before we get to that and then I do WanNa ask you not we contrast this and I heard this before? I want to get your perspective on this. When we see see these types of murders or these types of police shootings on TV or Internet however war viewing them obviously black folk have one type of Reaction to it. I WanNa talk about the the have you ever explored the white folks response to it. And I've heard that some people have viewed it as as a type of A stick type of porn where they just kind of watching this and almost an entertainment type of value to have you. Have you heard that study. That looked into that at all. You know I haven't specifically looked at What I have heard and seen over the years of doing this work is is that there's a level of desensitization right so for some some white folks? They they are activated by this in in a positive way right wanting to do activism around this advocacy around this but then you have white folks who are more desensitized by it and that goes back to what I was touching on earlier this kind of the cognitive dissonance if you will disconnect from the psychological trauma of just witnessing it right and so now I'm desensitized from it so I don't have that same level of reaction and also how ah country how they have desensitized the reaction of our society around offerings black. There's studies have been done around when you show Oh that of a black person being attacked mugged etc versus a white person being attacked bugged etc.. There's a different reaction for white folks right right but the white fragility shows up in a different way to the white reaction shows up in a different way when it's someone who is white and we see the responses are different too into that connects to what you were just bringing up once again interesting interesting stuff so these three themes that you wrote in here. I want to talk about them in order. Please emotional reactions of anger and sadness among black men as the first one By the second one his Psycho physiological symptoms of hyper vigilance avoidance and disassociation and the third is injustices around black male bodies being targeted. The first one again is emotional. Reactions of anger and sadness among black men. Yeah and so did to give a little context for those who are listening to. There's so this was a study that I did following the death the murder of Stefan Clark in Sacramento by acronym police and what I did was what what is referred to ask rapid presponse research. Right Rapid Response Bombs Research and is studying a phenomenon as it is unfolding and so when that happened the band I believe it was on a Sunday in two thousand eighteen in March two thousand eighteen. I quickly over the weekend I Did my proposal to submit it to my institution to get the green light to actually studied this as it was happening and within two weeks I got approval within in my institution to go ahead and do a rapid research. And so what I did was I created a a survey Open exploratory qualitative survey and I surveyed sixty two black men across the United States Majority was from the State of California and and what I did was I did at the matic analysis of those open ended questions read over them. Coated them analyze them. And and then the results are what you just identified for three common themes and so the first thing which is emotional reactions of anger and sadness among among black man and that is when black men saw this when they heard about it or when they read about it they had had a reaction of being sad by it or being upset. Angry that here we go again. There's another unarmed black man. Dan who was murdered in the backyard of his grandmother's home right. And so I saw that you know a quarter of the of the men who responded in the research research and the study were saying angry. I felt sad It's sad because what does this mean for us right. What does this mean as as we continue to live as black folk and that goes into the third theme But I'll hold off on touching on that and so that was the first thing but I notice you're the sense could anger and a sense of sadness to happen so to be fair. Many white people would also be saddened by that as well so but I I would assume that you're talking about a specific on what what the psychological term for it would be and I should know that I have a degree in psychology. But what what the the accident Zach. What what the differences are? There's a level to this right. There's all off. Gee that's too sat in. There's a deep seated sadness that we feel because we understand and yes I was a police officer in. Yes but yes. I'm a black male as I understand it could happen to me. I understand that this could happen to my son. WHO's living INS since the Tacoma Washington right now or can happen to my stepson? Who is in Florida right now? So that there's an internalisation that goes on area there there's a there's a deeper Cultural wounding around the sadness and anger where you realize that you are. You're disposable and that creates the anger in that creates the the the the sad that happened specifically among black men right because it becomes scary. Because it's so real it's in your face. We're not talking about one every fifty years right right right. And so back the psychological impact that you retouching on and the and the example that you were giving it wounds at a deeper level because it's your saint it's your your reality that is very true and it's saddening and if enraging thing you can't do anything about out it and then we get this cultural pushback because I'm saying the same thing that Obama said Trayvon. Martin was killed that this could have been him or his son. That would be correct and once again as you mentioned a couple of times now is that. There's this push back or this this Need to unlike rephrase that need to to rescue the narrative the narrative right. Why we're not and I like how you put it about the about the the cancer studies and all that At if I've talked about breast cancer. Why do we got to talk about testicular cancer? Let's let's let's do this. And this is where we get this all lives matter from or Herath. The Blue Lives matter type of thing co direct. Yeah right so we get into this whole you know struggle Olympics right oppression Olympics right. WHO's suffering more? Who who who who's lives really matter and then the reality of it in the whole moving the black lives matter? They're not saying others lives. Do not matter what they are saying. It's because of the epidemic. What are we doing about black lives? Are we saying that. We don't care as much as other who lives because when we look at the numbers I mean I was La Times published an article back in August of this year saying one one of the leading causes of death in the United States among black men is being shot by law enforcement. I read that I read that. Come on now. What will what a what a what a what does that? We're not talking about heart disease and heart attack right but candid about that. We would have forms change. Yes yes yes there would be a major ring of the alarm. So yes this goes back to what I was touching on. And what some of the themes were highlighted highlighted and. That's the the the anger and the sadness piece. The reality that black lives do not matter because if they did there would be a different different responding reaction as a nation as a society as a country. So it's number two. Thus this cycle physiological symptoms of hyper vigilance avoidance and disassociation. Yes and so. What some of the Black Man Dan were identify is that they are now? Afraid Right leave their at certain times TMZ right and so there is this rapid heartbeat. That's happening. They are constantly checking and scanning ride when they're out in the community in in in in in different spaces spaces workspaces school spaces etc.. And that's that hyper vigilance. Piece that they don't feel comfortable just being so they always have to look over. Their heads adds to make sure right. No one's coming after them specifically someone who has gone just based on how they present right or or law enforcement right wrongfully accused of having something or having and you have a gun when when actually it's your cell phone So there's there's a void in space to that happens where they're avoiding spaces and places right that they are out in the public right And then also with the disassociation piece needing to disconnect because if I say that this is my truth then that impacts impacts me so a level of it if I need to disassociate from this so I can continue to function as a black man right because it's so overwhelming. Take that in so I have to kind of remove myself. Psychologically and disassociate a level of this just to keep functioning as a black male is what what we were hearing and so the disassociating themselves from society from calling the police going at certain spaces. It's all of the above it's not only just disassociating from calling the police but it's also needing to do things to to to release an escape right right so this is where we see some of the substance use narratives. Because it's so overwhelming so some of the some of the men stated things like you know I smoke and get high because it's too much right so again the self medicating disassociating meeting to disconnect from one's body or reality becomes the truth experience for some folks. Wow now you felt. Did you feel any of this when you were thirteen when you went through your experiment and yes hyper vigilance. And the sadness was definitely my experience for sure and and and continue. Can you to be my experience right. And so I was sharing with a colleague A couple of years back that I keep all my receipts when I go to the store gas station etc I keep all my receipts because that's proof that was at a place at that time etc right and so it's just that impact. It has on me now. We got things you know with social media you can check and play with grand tap for you and you. You know there's surveillance cameras and all this stuff that that that that's out there now. That wasn't quite out there back in the day But but back the impact. It had on me where I constantly need to keep things ask proof and evidence that I am where I said I was at so I don't ever feel like somebody can say that I was somewhere that I wasn't and did something that I did not do. A good to the third point in a minute. Eh just kind of remind me something when we are at a store. When I'm in a store sometimes I have a hood on or have a hat on I will and I realized allies? I take time to take that hood off to adjust. My Hat's eyes are visible and I noticed one time I did that. I had a hood on his raining outside. Aside a comment I went into the store. I took my head off in a white person walkman behind me had their hood on and didn't take it off. I mean is this. This is obviously early. Some form of my own trying to make sure that I present myself as non threatening to people right because I'm thinking about trademark probably thinking about stuff that how many years years ago even you know as a teenager myself I'm in my forties now but but obviously at this. This is an internalized mechanism. That I'm trying to present. Is it myself as I'm not threatening for sure and this. Is that hyper vigilance. Piece that I was just touching with the second thing so so you brought up at that. Now here's mine when I walk my dog in the evening and it's cold. I don't wear a Hoodie. I keep my hoodie off. Why because his stark? I'm walking my dog right if I had my hoodie on. Then that in my eyes right says that I am somebody. Who Do you know is suspect or shouldn't be in this neighborhood or whatever? So why is it that you and me both have similar experiences. This the psychological impact and the wounding that was talking about a secondary trauma of being exposed to that and that article that I wrote in his research is that we take on on these symptoms and it changes and it impacts how we move day to day as black bodies in society. So you're going into the store. I'm walking my dog and I'm sure you know other folks here. They're doing things like this to why because of what we know to be true. Why because we have seen seen and experienced another reason why I did this? Particular research is because according to the DSM five the diagnostic and statistical typical manual. Five which we in the mental health community used to classify and diagnosed mental health related disorders. They do do not see exposure to secondary exposure to a traumatic event as a form of PTSD symptoms so. If I saw the murder on social media or or on television that I can't have ptsd the however. If I worked right with law enforcement or I was I'm a medical physician and I was exposed to it then then I could but if you are removed from it and it does matter a profession you cannot be classified as having. PTSD symptom being secondarily exposed both too dramatic experiences. So why is it that we have these reactions and responses of not wearing hoodies right but then again. That's not something I focused. Clinically are checking for as a concern in the symptom. So what it creates. Is this eraser of racial experiences. Assisted are Rio an impact individual on a psychological level. We're not even part of the mental health narrative to be true is the there's a black psychological association right They trying to push for any type of love recognition as to what we're talking about it we clinically diagnosed at the pushing for that. I don't know necessarily that that. They're pushing for that versus Initiatives around being anti oppressive ride initiative around being more inclusive -clusive and recognizing these types of trauma. Yes we are seeing more and more of that and in clinical and mental health spaces where they they are looking at other forms of trauma race based trauma and racial lies trauma. And there's a lot of folks that are doing research around this very phenomenon phenomenon. Excellent we're seeing more and more of this coming up. Yeah well that's excellent. That's excellent so the third but theme that you mentioned injustices around black male bodies being targeted. So do you feel as if we are being targeted. Yes word Yes yes yes yes I think there. What what what came about in the results of this particular study is many black like men were saying? I feel like I have a target on my back that I am more likely to be shot killed by law enforcement because of my skin and for that reason alone I feel like I am wearing a target that I don't have to be doing anything. Anything right. I can be What were they doing in the bay or having a barbecue right people tell them that they can't be here? I can go and take a shortcut cut home from school. It'd be a teenager wearing a Hoodie. I can't be on the corner right at a certain part of my my city community regardless I can be in starbucks waiting right Yale regardless of you. See what I'm saying I. It doesn't matter I'm just living right. We could just mean living as black folk and there is. It's a target and for that reason alone. There's the injustices around just being black male body or a black person further further down in the article. Here's where you write that. In addition further a research is necessary in identifying additional cultural historical barriers that may impede treatment for this Gulnara population if expense secondary race based trauma talk about those cultural and historical barriers that impede treatment so so the biggest one is trust. There is a lack of trust rightfully so in the black community and also with fat. Not Right so let me let me start with that for a second. There was a lack of trust because what has happened to black folk when they have gotten help and what has been done to black folk when they didn't even want the help but they were given right certain certain diseases Ziza's and illnesses not even knowing what they were given so there was a mistrust of medical professionals mental health professionals. And if I do go right and quote unquote talk to someone. What does that say about me? Does this mean I am crazy. Easy right does this make me crazy is what we hear. I hear a lot of this from folks doesn't mean I'm crazy. What are you GonNa do now? So there's a fear of what happens if I go and talk to with their and they D- me as quote unquote crazy right and so these are some of the the cultural challenges and barriers. There are no no no fault of our own right. It's our society and I I think there's also a responsibility from uh-huh that needs to happen with the Black Church and I'm I'm not saying that in accusatory or blaming way what I'm saying is in a laboratory way right to collaborate. I think more mental health professionals need to collaborate with the church. The Black Church to to really look at how. How do we promote mental health and wellness? How do we provide these resources and services to the black community because by a large what we we know to be true is that that's who we trust has black folks right? We trust right the Black Church and so one of the interventions. I was saying the future that needs to happen and there. There's a lot of talk around this and there's a lot of work that's being done with a lot of churches too so I don't want to take away from from the work that's being done but I think more can be done invisible around collaborating With the Church and bringing in there should be a middle house therapists and every church several mental health clinicians in every church. Right back the type of intervention Proactive things that I'm talking about because what we know to be true. We've seen it in the civil rights movement etc EVAC. That's where we get a lot of the support and so nobody else is checking for us. I've nobody else is providing these types of of healing spaces the look to our church to provide the mental health healing spaces as well. Yes I do. Think there's certainly is a lack of trust in the people do trust the church and that's what I agree with that. I suspect that that's where we need to turn to in order to get the things that we need i. I've been very disappointed in an in the churches that I've gone to throughout my years and I'm not GonNa Basseterre either but I've just been disappointed because I think that they've had plenty of opportunity to be the Anna cutting edge of so many different things in ever have missed the mark in Let their communities down in so many so many ways so Give us some good news as far as what we can do. Obviously we talked about the church What what what can we expect right so give us some good news about how we can beat this trauma? How how we can learn from this these types of incidents? What can we expect so the good news is that we can name it we we we can call it what it is and we can come together? As a group to validate each other's experiences around around these traumas we can hold meetings. We can hold spaces together and talk about this. I think. That's the the the quickest thing that we can do as a community is to really talk about this. We can continue to make it visible as a community. I mean Kant's why I. How did this particular work and you saw it right and so talking about it and making it visible how we use social media as a platform to support one another to let people bono that you are not quote unquote? Crazy is another way that we can do this. Also how we advocate and activism. You know I was talking earlier about I think you're asking me something around wight mental health folks white therapists and what they can do. We need allies ship right though. There hasn't been no movement that has happened in the United States without allies ship. So this is not excusing white folk right. There are some white folks who you WANNA be down for the calls and the culture and activism. So we need you. We need you to show up. There are times where we don't need your voice and there are times we do need your voice too because you get into spaces and places that we don't always have the privilege and access to get into so I think there's that that that collective activism and advocacy that needs to continue to happen. I've been we need to continue to talk about this because if we do not then it's not GonNa get talked about at all very true. What can we expect in this? The final final question. What can we expect from a Atanas? Jefferson's Nephew and the couple from Phoenix six with the police officer who was recently fired for Threatening them with them trying to kill him over a doll that that family what what. What can we expect from the children of those traumatic incidents we can? We can for sure. Expect there to be some psychological wounding some psychological wounding in some cultural injuries as it relates to those specific incidents. That have happened We can also expect that. They're going to need some ongoing mental health support in resources to promote their healing to mitigate the impact that is going to have on on on both of them What we can expect for sore just for the last point here? I know this last point was the last point but this is the last okay. That's okay we're talking about black men talking about the the the history of how we have been treated Is assume that you're talking about the syphilis situations and all the other stuff that it was down to us right so talk to us and tell talk to the black men out there who may be listening and even white men as well. Everyone talked about how important it is to be. Are you concerned about your mental health. Not to be concerned about this stigmas about mental health. Despite that down for us sure just like when we are looking for for a place to stay looking for a car you get to shop around and find a goodness of fit of a therapist who you feel comfortable with. Do not stop with just the first person you meet. You may have to continue for a minute into you find someone. That's the one piece. The other piece is that do not feel bad for reaching out for help. Do not feel like you are less then a man because you recognize that you are experiencing depression that you are experiencing anxiety that is strength that it takes courage to actually go and talk to someone and reach out for support. You don't have to suffer in silence. There are resources is out there. There are many folks out there who are willing and ready to provide support specifically to black men and for my my my my white folks out there. There are spaces where we need you to show up for black men Where where you? It can be a mental health advocate in those clinical spaces right showing up and so you two are called to order and needing to be a part of the healing process for black men very well thank you well said back to awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for being podcast. Tell us what would have coming up to read any books. Any other research Do you have a website Contact not too so for folks who are interested in reaching out to me. I can be emailed at Allen A. L. L. E. N. Dot lipscomb Lipscomb L. I. P. S. C. O. M. B. AT C. as in cat S. as in Sun you as an umbrella and as a nancy heat dot. Edu and I will be in the New Year February. I will be in New York I will be at Albany presenting there for the school of social work on blackmail grief there. So if you're interested in NAT Please email me and I can send you some information regarding that are also posted on social media I am in the process of writing in writing my second book. It is a book of Oncology Taking Collection of narratives poems lyrics etc etc of of black men and their trauma in their healing process and so That should be coming out within the next year or two In in addition to that I am working on a dance narrative of my blackmail grief work in research. It's where someone A young brother that I met This year during the summer he is an artist and his own right in a dancer and he is going to perform through the blackmail grief narrative and research. And so that's coming in the spring Early summer more of twenty twenty. And so that's what's coming up for me. Thank you so much for having me Thank you I I really really appreciate the conversation. That was very enlightening. And I'd like to have you back gone. You will learn. Oh for sure definitely am. You're up there. You're going to be out there in Albany so I live in Connecticut so maybe I'll swing checkout. Oh yeah please do yes yes absolutely absolutely so thank you so much for being a captain Hunter podcast and we'll talk to you again. So I wanNA thing special guest Dr Alan Lipscomb for coming on Captain Hunters podcast. Very informative conversation. I hope that you the listener were really enlightened to give it some thought to what he said you know this whole black black lives matter. Blue lives matter all lives matter right. Nobody says that kind of stuff with cancer. We've we've been through this before we've had these discussions before just give it a little bit of thought as to what he's saying and so. I hope that you'll learn something and once again just hitting me back in the podcast there's a subject you'd like me to talk about. CPT L. Hunter at gmail.com remember. You can't support the podcast through pay pal cash APP or also the Patriots page cap two hundred podcast. And that's ladies and gentlemen. 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The Dental Hacks on Moving to Digital! (DHS82)

The Dental Hacks Podcast

18:33 min | 3 months ago

The Dental Hacks on Moving to Digital! (DHS82)

"Dental hacks nation. One thing that i like is a system but even better than a system is a system that someone else figured out that i can just grab and use for myself because i don't like having to invent assist our friends micro copy dental have a system for polishing. This is so great. It's relatively new but what it is. If you've got a surface they've got polishing system for it take the composite system. It's two steps. The first step is gray. Second step is white easy to remember the color system. They've got like a cup which kind of flattens into a disc or a point kind of mini sized. They're just the right size. I think in their single patient use just like everything micro copy does so you use them. Once in you're done no cross-contamination every patient prefers that you open a brand new one. They're not beat up. They're not chipped up. Use it indisposed. It's fantastic so give this try neo. Shine is what they're calling this polishing system and you can check it out a dental hacks dot com slash neo shine. That's any osh any. It's a system that you don't have to invent you guys are gonna love this again. Don't ask dot com slash neo shine micro copy. Damn good burs. Also polishers gentle hats shorts dental hacks nation. Welcome to a dental heck short here. We have a guest with us that he's not always on the shorts but he's always in our minds and our hearts. Dr jason lipscomb joins me for a short. Jason how you doing. I do love shots. He he does love. Actually he kinda likes. George he sorta george guy. I'm like a like a marine on shore. Leave right towards he likes. He likes the he likes the george with a little elastic to give so he can so he can stay. Active cuff look european super dark blue denim. Like link really. He's kinda got. He's got a thing that he goes for with the jets in. That's thus that's why. I'm having him on the show. There's the shorts right now. Jason i think yesterday or the day before we hit the goal for our our first tier goal with the dental hack met at promotion. Tell me about that we did. Everyone did it. Just happy for the people that bought it. I mean it's it's that's that's that's the real thing that people that the people that put out the energy and but at the faith in us to to buy it in hopes the brides would go down Obviously you don't never know if that's actually going to happen. So the people that actually faith and faith in the deal. We thank you because zip. Is you guys who took a chance. but yeah we were a when we kinda structured the deal we were gonna say. Hey we'll let's see what happens in as we go along. We'll we'll see what the price does. So we were not known how many people would buy and Yeah i gotta give him credit for the fact that i mean okay so the starting deal was pretty good starting deal. Seventeen k with two thousand dollars worth of lab credit i. It's a couple of different labs in. They're all pretty good labs and and and then all the training seventeen case pretty good deal But then the idea was sold a certain number. You're going to get a rebate and we reached our first level rebate which is a thousand bucks back. So we're looking at sixteen thousand dollars for this for this scanner for the mets scanner. And then the the list price normally is about eighteen eighteen and cadre has offered it to us Obviously with these tears the more people that by the the the rebate goes up with full for warranty two thousand dollars lab credit training You know so. It's it's not skimping on anything. No no they're not will deal and you. You probably shouldn't but for those who bought in the beginning we we salute you. 'cause that's pretty bold. I mean you didn't know you're gonna get we. We're pretty sure we're going to get the at least the first here in so now we're looking at now. We're looking at the next if we sell another twenty five with this promotion. Dental hash motion goes no twenty five. We get another five hundred bucks back with the with. The rebate is at right brings the price to fifteen five. Is that correct correct. And my my overall goal this the this goes until march thirty first. Yep overall goal was i was hoping we will get to two hundred people which would bring the rebate to two thousand two hundred fifty dollars and the overall purchase price under fifteen thousand dollars So fourteen fourteen seven fifty. So i was hoping we'd get there Obviously it relies on people. Buying it for them happen and once again people are not is not taking as much as a risk now because we the thousand dollars but it does rely on people buying it. Yeah okay so for those of you. That have heard about the deal like well. I'm not so sure i off. We got the thousand bucks already so you might as well just jump in. There's potential to get an even better rebate but the reality is. Let's just step back here. This deal is perfect for someone who has been looking hard at digital like. I don't know why. I wanna get a scanner bat. Now is a great time because there's for like ten different reasons is a great time. The deal is good but their training is terrific in it sounds like cadre is is adding training sessions all over the country so you you may not have to travel as far because of it You've got some lab credit that comes along with it. But i'm gonna tell you that i have had the met at i five hundred. My office is the scanner that i use I've had it for more than two years in one of the crazy things about it. Is that their software continues to upgrade. And you do not want you this scanner. This is very different from a lot of other scanners Once you've bought the scanner there are no There's no like you don't have to do a yearly subscription for the for the Software upgrades or the with the one like the warranty comes with it in that sort of thing but like bottom line is that you're not paying a yearly fee on this thing in most scanners honestly on some level or another have some kind of a service fee added onto it. This does not have that. in fact i'm not sure if any of them are free and clear so this is kind of on some level. This is sort of open source that way. You're not gonna locked into that. And that's that's been great but the reality is they literally come out with software upgrades so fast. I don't even like i'm behind in i upgraded it like three weeks ago and i'm behind. They have another one. That's how fast they're coming so it's literally a different scanner now than it was when i got it two years ago in by different way. Better like there's so much more there's so much you can do with this thing that i don't do including smile design including ortho. There's a ton of stuff built into it. They have a model builder that the model builders killer because the stories you can literally press a button in you export it and you literally throat printer as a model ready to go like. It's all styles ready to go just like so. It's it's really They've thought a lot about the how easy and good it is to use. The company has so. I'm just. I'm i love it. I can't say enough. Good things about it. But i'm also like this is a better deal than i even got like this already. This is a better deal than i got. When i bought it so i don't know i feel like if you've been thinking about digital now is the time and i'm gonna try. Jason has been bugging. Mammoth try and take some video of this coming week of me using it so you can just kind of see what it's like but if ding bat like me can use it effectively and i have been for two years solid Sky they when they added margin marking. They like when i got it. They still didn't you could mark your margins in the software. Now you can it so frigging good. Oh my gosh. it's great so. I just constant improvement. I i love the company. I love the software in This deal is really great. So if you've been thinking about it you should probably do it. You should probably. It's literally. I'm not saying is nothing it's not it's not. It's not nothing but it's a really. It's kind of a low risk way to get into a digital workflow. And would you agree with that. Jason i would and a lot of people ask to. Obviously i've been using scanners avenues scanners since two thousand and three. So you know. I've kind of been used to it. A little bit and a lot of people are are asking me as as i get a lot of messages behind the scenes Is it something that if they haven't scanned before is it. Is it pretty easy. And i know you had a little bit of experience with With different scanner alan yum. Tell them a little bit about your experience with just getting started with it with with with the med. I mean an honest honestly. Okay so the met at a okay so the scanner that i had before i had used potter with it So immediately like without the mandate of course you don't need powder it's it's in color it's You know it literally. Patients are impressed. Is hell with it. Just like everything like But having gone from a system where you had used powder and it was a black and white scan and all this stuff It was wildly different right off the bat but it generates. I don't know man. It's pretty fast. I know that i know that. Some scanners brag about being the fastest dinner out there but the reality is pretty fast and if you use good. Technique is real fast. I was able to literally have it like the first day long goofy story. Here's here's what happened when you when you're so i. I left two years ago from chicago. I left. I left like saturday late in the afternoon because arm and said okay you can take this unit home and try it in then. If you like it i'll sell it to you. So he basically that's when you're a big powerful amazing podcast or like me that's the deal you get you get to try it before you buy at home. And so he did that for me. And i literally was like i literally the day after i got home and use it. I said okay. i'm going to buy it. Was that much better than when i was using a really. It was really good. I was able to use it immediately. But i i had had some experience with a scanner and this is just so much easier than than the scanner. I was using learning curve. Pretty simple pretty simple. I mean. I think it's probably as tough as any other scanners to learn. It's not very now nowadays. You don't have to do very much. You can catch. Just hold it in. Their does does the job. But i would argue now like i do. Mostly singles and in doubles crowns. I'm not doing full arch stuff and everything like that. This is so so straightforward for that the like literally my workflow has gone. I can probably from anesthesia to temporary regular crown and bridge forty-five minutes max on on like a single unit depending on anesthesia. So like just the workflows very fast in while the accurate. I'd just have enough. I don't have any good thing. I actually use it. I do scans in print models. And i'll do my removable on those models because i think the models are better than my stone model so i i've had i use it for just about everything actually and actually valerie cooper. I know we're not valley million when she was talking about you know digital digital scanning like that is the is really the only way to capture the anatomy without compressing it even with even with the best impression technique only it And even early on. When i was doing scans for parcels Partial fit great. If you do if you do partial dentures or anything like that And want to scan you can use for that There's there's lots of scanners on the market in a lot of them. Do do pretty well. You know this is just. It's a great way to get started just with the the workflow of everything It's it's good scanner if you see if you see advertisements for any scanner out there If it's if it's blazing fast that they were just using a better computer for that Yes yes truth. Every every scanner out there can do a lot of stuff Basically if you got this and you got a computer with a lot of ram on their in a solid state memory You can do blazing fast stuff with us. It just it it. It all depends on the computer that you're using so if you upgrade that if you if you think that you want something that needs a little bit to it You can you can make it happen and it's a and that applies to pretty much everything out there. There's no there's no hidden magic can in anything all this You can make it happen just just by buying the right components or having the right components out there And it's a good way to get started. Actually that's a real as interesting point. Say that like if if you're looking at if if you save the money on the scanner you can probably spend more on on. The computer is not hard to find a really good computer. That's exactly right like the speed. The speed has a lot to do with the hardware that you using it with In fact the camera probably won't need upgrade before your computer will more than likely and and we've talked about this before the podcasts. You know cameras focal length. You cannot improve that technology. But so much. There's i can remember the term for Diminishing the turn. Yep diminishing point where you can't get better than the focal length of a camera. It's all within the software. It's all within the processor and use that for Sixty four megabytes of ram. Yup at thing will be smoking will fly fly. that'd be that'd be everything you need Get a computer. That's gonna last for a couple of years but you know that thing it'll be smoking and you'll be you'll be super happy with okay so the things that a lot of people ask about digital digital work from you know. Well i've been using these this impression material for a long time. Don't get me wrong. I think impression materials. Great i find the f- the fit in the seat appointments on digital stuff and honestly i do model is ninety nine percent of the time i know that the lab that i work with local guy. We've kind of fine tuned our our relationship for the most part. But i do model as most of the time and i don't adjust very much If i just. I probably just inner proximal more often than i just cluele but i mean probably three out of five or more crowns going with no adjustment at this point i never i could never say that about crowns that placed with with impression material so accuracy is definitely in for what i do which is kind of bread and butter normal stuff. It's it's accurate. I mean i had that experience with with the other scanners. I've used to so digital kinda will do that for you. I do love the margin marking Software it makes it. I mean honestly it's if you'll take the time to do it. It's it's pretty fantastic. I think you'll i think you're going to be happy with it if if you do it. In like said the deal is just shockingly good so one of my one of my favorite things to is. You know the single unit implant if you if you've ever been in there and doing a in open trade impression and patient has kinda gagging a little bit and you're trying to wait and you're trying to unscrew that little gadjah that low impression. Go being of the same time you know. It's it's stressful But with this with digital scanning with impression with a implants I just i don't do that. Many implants but you know you. Just you think about those stressful events in your life and this is this is just one of those things that can make it make pretty. It's it's really it's a really. It's a really versatile versatile piece of equipment so now that we've plugged it a little bit more. We're looking for the next if we can see if we can get twenty five more people to buy with this deal. We're going to get the rebate back to you for another five hundred bucks. It's a really good price of if you've been thinking about it in. You're listening now jason. What's easiest way for them to get the information so they can get in on the deal. Just either message. May personally jason lipscomb On on facebook at facebook or email me dent d. e. n. t. c a n three six to five at g mail dot com. And actually wait a second. I have we have the phone number two number allen time for a second. So so so. Do momma jokes or something like that. There's a lot of pressure. Okay okay get it okay or text. The word met at m e d. I t to the number eight. Oh four eight eight five two two three three eight two four eight five two two three three nice that goes directly to me So Roughly using that number for other things within the dental hacks tube. That van goes directly to me. And i won't care. I've been working hard to get the information out. What's good is if you do that at about two o'clock in the morning that i will put all of those contacts showed pictures. That's a he said it not me. He said it. I'll put all that in the show notes. So if you happen to have if you happen to have your your podcasting software open. Just look in the show notes you can figure out how to get in touch with them and get yourself this deal. It's pretty great and you're gonna you're gonna like this thing. I'm telling you i've been using it for more than two years. I frigging love. It's like an everyday thing in my office and you'd have to pry it from my cold dead hands. I tell you so heston of you know. And and and once again we don't want the. Don't ask to be a an area where we're gonna be pushing random products at you and deals. We are looking for different deals. Different things a lot of stuff is things that we used them. use it. yeah So we're not going to try to be pushing them under a random stuff on. Yeah so we. We try to that everything as as well as we possibly can. I've lived my entire dental career. This for you. i'm a heavy added. It's vetted get the deal. Jason thanks for joining me on this very short. Thanks for your shorts actually. Thank you for wearing the shirt. I appreciate that air supportive in. I think the rest of the crew does thanks very much.

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Choose Your Own Adventure Live!

Covert Nerd Podcast

45:14 min | 1 year ago

Choose Your Own Adventure Live!

"This podcast is part of the podcast arcade network. Welcome to the covert nerd. Podcast thank you for listening. It means a lot that you take time out of your day to hear what I have to say. Today's episode is from our live event that we did at the last star Fighters Entertainment Group on facebook. All include a link in the show notes. So you can see this segment and other segments. They were great. It was a fun time so it is a little different because it is a live event. But I think you'll enjoy. It also wanted to mention our sponsor rainbow comics and cards. You can find them at Rainbow Comics and CARDS DOT COM CONCLUDE. A link in the show notes and you can go to covert ner dot net in get more links for this episode and past episodes a really appreciate every single listener that I have without further ado. Let's dive right in and nerd it up with Eddie. Got The choose adventure idea. Because I don't know if you read these when you're kid Eddie Lee. Don't get me started. I loved these books as a kid which I think you did too. Oh Yeah I love these. I think I was probably eight or seven when they came out and started reading from the library at school and just loved them. So we're GonNa read one together and the viewers listeners can decide where we wanna go. I always liked Edward Packard. The his he wrote the iconic art. But this one who killed Harlow thromboses a WHO done it. And if you've read the read the watch the movie knives out. This is very loosely based on that this book are Nice Yeah Very Loosely. Because E go ahead. This is the covert nerd experience because the similarities are the the guy that gets killed in. The movie is Harlan throbbing by this. Are Loath Ron Bay. He's a rich guy family. Come over somebody dies so the very loose premise is based on this book. So we'll all read multiple probably take turns so maybe I'll start and then he can do. The next page will kind of take turns and then you the viewer. Get to decide if we succeed or if we fail and die a burning death. I don't know we'll see in this book. It is it is it's very eighty s and you can kind of see. I'll say I'll start so it's been just a year since the Robert Climbed into your aunt. Miranda's bedroom window at two in the morning. Get Out. She screamed at him. And that's just what. He did taking her Pearl Necklace with him. The next day you found a beer bottle in the bushes outside aunt Miranda's house since she isn't the sort to toss beer bottles out the window. You handed over to the police. The robbers fingerprints are on the bottle and the police quickly identified him and now he's safely behind bars since then. You've gotten quite a reputation as detective. You've equipped yourself with a magnifying glass. Fingerprint Kit and a cassette recorder. And you're ready for business is it. That's one thousand nine hundred eighty two recorder. I'm ready yes so some. Some of your friends have decided to become detectives to you. That's okay they're just a bunch of amateurs except maybe that frizzy haired girl down the street Jenny Budge. She's definitely smart in fact. Sometimes you think she's smarter than you Jenny Mudge. Mud Ge now. It looks like you've got your first big case. Hearthrob may president of Thron Bay. Plastics company has called and asked you to come to his house at five o'clock this afternoon. I hear you have sharp. Is he says. And that's what I need right now. I think my life is in danger. So here's the choices at the bottom. Get ready to decide you ask thrown bay. What he was afraid of but he didn't want to talk on the phone so you said. You'd think about it and call him back. It was exciting to get a call from harlow thrown bay. Maybe you should find out more about him before you take the case. So our options if you phone thrombosis and accept his invitation. Turn to page five if you tell him that. You can't come this afternoon but you'll call him back in the day or so. Turn to page seventeen clarify for those of you. Don't know it's simply a you get to decide where the story is going to go and they give you options and you just turn the page and this was what we had before computer games in the eighties. So the option is if you thrown earth thrown if you phone bay and accept his invitation. Turn to page five if you tell him that. You can't come this afternoon but you'll call him back in a day or so. Turn to page seventeen all right so we'll wait wait a second or two and if we don't get enough comments and we'll just be the ones to pick addio make the executive order we already. We already have two choices. One is accept the invite and Kim Gears says option A. and I think that's the same so let's see so option a that'd be page five so that's right next to it. I'll read this one anyway. You get caught up and then I'm ready when you are. Oh okay. What do you want to read page five? I can read it. If you're cool the okay. Go ahead here we go. We've chosen to accept the invitation. Here we go. You knock on thromboses door exactly at five. A stout balding man opens it. His eyes suspiciously his he. Is You sorry suspiciously before nervously? Shaking your hand. I'm harlow thrombosis. He says before we go inside. I'll show you around the place. The two of you stroll across the lawn pass scores of flowering shrubs and trees ahead of you is a large greenhouse. The greenest of houses. It's my wife. Jane Thrown Base says a do everything to make her happy expensive cars trips around the world. She even has to. He anos a concert grand for herself and a smaller one for guests. He stops in his tracks and turns toward you a dark. Look on his face. The darkest of looks the truth is I think she would rather have me dead done. Uh I can already dictator. Why what makes you think that thrown by pauses again before replying? She told me a few steps. Further reaching the greenhouse you watch curiously as Thron Bay rattles the door and then turns toward you again. I wanted to make sure it was locked for the night. He says Jenkins Art Gardner keeps arsenic there for spring. The trees the poor fellows laid up in the hospital. Maybe your wife just lost her temporary suggest. I like to think so. Thrown base says shaking his head. Maybe you'll be able to judge when you meet her. She's playing and the concert this afternoon and should be backed by six. You're all you are walking back to the front entrance to the house. Throwing Bay points at the bright red sports car pulling up to a stop. A Trim. Bearded man gets out and starts following you. That's Dr Robert lipscomb thrown base. Says he's coming for dinner tonight along with my nephew Chartwell. I love the name's Robert lipscomb and chartwell shocked. Where there you go. That's better chart. Will you know you were beaten up as a boy and then his niece Angela? Lipscomb chartwell in Angela. I Love Agile Samantha. Vihear Angela. I can't help it. Yeah and Angela and Robert are planning to marry. I want to get to know Robert Better so I asked him to come early in play a few games a pool. Do you want to join us or would you rather take a look around the place? There's no one here but Helga are so we have held chartwell and lipscomb. That is amazing. So here's here's our choices again. If you decide to look around go to page eight if you decide to play pool with Harlow Thrombosis and Dr Lipscomb turn to page twelve so look around or play pool. This is a fun way to do this. By the way yes. I think it's like choose. Your own. Adventure is just guaranteed to be a fun time. I you know there's Times you die quicker than you wanted to you did. Isn't that life? But you know if you're like me or like most people these kind of keep a thumb where you're at like okay. I'm going to die on this one. I probably a probably wait and see what happens here. I picked up several of these just a little while ago just to I think it's more of a nostalgia. Purchase than anything. There are several like this like endless quest. And with the wizards warriors and you there are a little more more novel. Ish these are very issue can tell. These are geared towards eight year olds exactly. I'm with you I'm now fully borrowed okay. So so we have one One so far play pool take his money and then around. Amanda says look around. So we're split. Let's wait to see if we have a tiebreaker. Because you don't want to Jesse says we should take money. Take the rich guys money. I love these are just so dipped in eighties twice and they really are dipped in the eighties chocolate. But these are fun like I said these are before you had video games so these are kind of your how you you this you got to control what was going on a little bit. We got to look around and one play pool. So we're GONNA rally right so we're going to pay eight so this is all text mainly here but so you want me to. I'll take this like you take this one. I'll take the next time you go page eight. You Walk through the Rear Hall and into the Pantry where you hear voices coming from the kitchen. A woman and a young girl are talking. Do you really think Mr thromboses life is in danger. The girl asks. I don't know the woman replies but I've seen his niece. Angela looping through his papers and his nephew chartwell prowling about the grounds stepping around the corner. You meet a tiny blonde haired woman wearing a white blouse you want an only Kim Garrison of star Star Lights Ginny Much Kim Nelson standing next to her much year. Surprise is Ginny Mudge. Hi What are you doing here says Jenny Mr Thrombosis asked me over you reply. What are you doing here? Oh have you met Helga. Ginny says I'm in her cooking class at the. Why does it give more eighties Does it get more eighty no on and I invited myself over to see her kitchen and learn how to make myself to make my favorite chocolate cake. Notice how she says. I invited myself over. Yeah she's do that. I guess if you Janey Mudgee can. I guess he's going to do much is going to do. That's right. Hey where are you where my house are invited myself over okay? That's cool as you introduce yourself to Helga. Jenny glances at her watch. My Gosh it's six o'clock I have to get home. Thanks Helga for for letting me in. She hurries out the back door. See you later. She calls over her shoulder. You wonder whether Ginny came to learn cooking or to do detective work walking back toward the game room. You Find Harlow `thrombin standing in the hall. A puzzled look on his face. I ended up playing pool alone. He says Roberts said he had to make some phone calls in the library. Yeah we would we. We couldn't be bothered to play with him. No but he's not there now as thrombosis is speaking. The front door opens and Robert Walks in behind him is a hold on behind him is through these tall stoop. Shouldered nephew never heard that phrase chartwell. I noticed Chart Wealth Car in the driveway. Robert Explains but he didn't come in so I went out to meet him. Chartwell gives Robert A curious. Look and then shakes your hand. Introduces you turn to page ten. Okay let's go. We're not dead yet. No we're still alive here. We go you want one got little illustration here. So you got a little picture. Go for all right. Thrombosis shows Robert Chartwell and you into the library. Just as the grandfather clock on the hall strike six glancing out the window. You see a white cadillac pulling up the drive. That's Jane Thrown Base says back from her concert. I don't know how you'd say what's a good. Trombay boys defeated. That's Jane and he thinks he's GonNa. He thinks his wife wants to kill him. I think he's very much like okay. Defeated few moments later are large round faced. Woman enters the large library so pleased to meet you. Jane says shaking your hand. I've heard a lot about you. Will you be joining US dinner? See I don't understand. How does she know about him? He's never solve the case or anything. But somehow I anyway open for business lot whole I guess throw on Bass Wife surprisingly friendly. It's hard to see why he should be afraid of her. Maybe he just imagine his life is in danger. You don't want to sit through a boring dinner especially sensors very good movie. You'd like to catch at home on TV. Must be the Friday night. Special or yeah. I don't WanNa Miss my shows. My stories are on right. You glance at Harlow Thrown Bay. Do you stay if you like. He says so choice. If you accept the invitation for dinner go to page thirteen if you tell Rahm you can't stay but you'll talk to him tomorrow. Turn to page seventeen so stay for dinner or duck out. Go Watch your TV show and call him tomorrow. Do you stay for supper or do you go. Watch your tunes. Watch your friend you've done. What nine. Oh we all we're letting our viewers decide. But what would you have done Li? Oh I probably hey I'm not gonNA turn down free food so right. I'm already here. I yeah yeah you're already here. So but the show was to though. Yeah that's true that's true. Fatboy gotta eat so we got one boy got one one vote. Eat the food. Eat the food. We eat the food. I think we go to show in fat boys gotta eat okay. Yeah we got a lot of comments on page thirteen. Yes so we're going to stay eat foods so thirteen here. We go go ahead do that. One Jane leaves to dress for dinner when she rejoins the rest of you in the library. It's almost seven o'clock took that long. Why don't you do it? Does anyone know where Angela is she asks? There is no response but a moment later. The question is answered by a knock on the door. Thrum thrum be opens it and a slender young woman steps inside her very light. Skinned contrasts with her dark hair and eyes and her black Velvet Dress Angela. At last year here thrown says sorry to be late. I was at my dentist in Springdale. It's almost an hour's drive from here said Angela. You can't find a dentist. It's not an hour away and she saw so seven o'clock that meets us at the dentist. Six right what kind of business. Our zone already suspicious. That sounds fishy. That's all right my dear abby. Now that you're here I'll ask Helga to serve dinner. She wants to leave early. To Visit Jenkins we got a new. Who Got Jenkins Jenkins? The character care k. o the Garter. Yeah he had the arsenic remember. Yes in the hospital in a few moments. Everyone is seated around the large oak dining table. Helga BRINGS IN SALAD. Rolls and a platter of Roast beef which Harlow thrown be carbs with a long silver knife. The roast taste as good as it looks which is bad but everyone seems tense and nervous and you can hardly enjoy the meal after dinner. Helga clears off the dishes and hurries out the door. A few minutes later at about eight o'clock thrombosis offers his guests brandy. Everyone but you accepts because we're not that cool in the eighty and goes to the pants and he goes to the pantry returning a few minutes later with five glasses on a tray. I find a glass of brandy before bid helps me. Sleep said the alcoholic thrown me. Of course it's good after dinner too so we'll turn to pay. I think thrown being reginald need to get together from original. Teach me a couple of things. That brand new tastes better. Drink out of the empty body of Merman entertain. I'M GONNA take this one okay all right. Here's to good health and long life. Sir Robert says as he raises his glass and the others joined in the drinking then Robert Chartwell and harlow `Thrombin Bay leave for the game room to play pool while Angela follows Jane into the Music Room. Thrown Bay asked you to join them in the game room. You'd rather play pool but your job after all is to watch Jane. The music room is half filled with two grand. Pianos Jason's sits behind one and Angela. The other while you relax in the armchair. I'm so glad to hear you're taking piano lessons. Jane says to Angela. Would you like to play a duet with me? Oh no you're much better. I'd rather listen to you Angela. Replies so she sucking up to the in laws that that's good. I sense the tension here. Some passive aggressiveness. Yes J. No you go your way better than me anyway. Yeah go ahead go ahead. It's alright Jane smiles at the compliment and she loudly strikes the first notes to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. You listen patiently for half an hour until about eight thirty then slip out of the room and go to the library where you spend about twenty minutes looking at Rama's collection of books and Hunting Trophies. Leaving the library you can still hear the piano so you walk down the hall to the Game Room. Chartwell and Robert are playing pool but harlow thrombin is not with them. Suddenly you hear a terrifying scream. Where it is the Hallway. You are shocked to see. Harlow Throng lurching toward you. He falls in lies moaning on the floor. The others come running and Robert Dashes to throw in Bayside. Jane starts to cry. Angela chart will stay. Stand helplessly so see. Jane's crying so she can't be a murderer or she's crane. You run to the library and telephone for the ambulance. It takes a few minutes to get get the call through you rush back to thrown bay and stare a moment at his Ashen grey. Face the kneel down beside him. I've been poisoned gasps. Do you know who did it for a moment. He struggles to get up then falls back clutching his throat. He whispered it was but those are his last words. You rush to the pantry where you find the open brandy bottle. Your watch reads nine three from the experience. You know you may be able to learn more before the police arrive than after. You must work quickly quickly Batman so if you decide to talk to the witnesses one at a time turn to page nineteen if you decide to talk to them as a group turn to page twenty so talk to them one at a time or all. Together we go. Let's that's the choice individually or as a group I see I'm torn on this right because if you do it individually then they won't know how to play off the other one but as a group. Nobody has time to kind of like coordinate. One person off to the side and the other people that are like Haley comes back Blah Blah Blah. I don't know Paul says how come they never just leave the body. Go Home Dialysis go. That's a good one. Yeah somebody says hey. I think someone's trying to kill me and then that dude ends up dying. Parkinson's so Paul's vote here. Paul says all together and then Andrew says one at a time policies look for the Square. Mer who split split split fifty fifty tiebreaker. Here Justice Ruth Wrong Bay. Real A man. Oh that's Harambee Harambee. So we're no we're split fifty fifty. You might have to make an executive decision split. Let's give it another fifteen seconds or however long it takes me a JERKY UP TO TURKEY JERKY. This is old trapper old. We have Kim for the tiebreaker. All together that's page twenty Yes page twenty will take that sucker before you have time to ask any questions. Chartwell tries to take over. You know as you know a Chartwell is GonNa do what a charter will. My uncle and I often fought. He says angrily. But I'm going to find out who murdered him. If it's the last thing I do okay says the murderer says the guy's trying to well just a moment. Robert says let's be calm. There's no need for an investigation are at right out of the gate. Thromboses told me who the murderer was the moment I reached him. What did he say you ask? He was very weak. He could hardly talk Robert Replies but I distinctly heard him say it was Jane. She poured my last drink. Yeah you liar. Jane shouts everyone begins talking at once and it takes you a moment to quiet them down. It was also your choice to talk to everyone at the same time. I want to know where everyone was. Between the time. Thromboses served brandy and the time. He went back to pour his last drink. Actually Chartwell says Robert and I never left the game room. You are interrupted by a loud knocking at the door in a moment police inspector a Lord. Yeah this is Ruth Brock prufrock. Bruce rocks his name's Larry at And two officers storm into the room. Everyone stay where you are. Prufrock shouts please tell me chartwell. Last name is proof. Got Eddie with with Robert here. He's a doctor. Can you imagine him interrupting? Say Excuse me it's Dr Robert. Go to seven years of medical school to non Mr exactly so now we're going to page. Thirty four Leah. Think such as the such as the choose your own adventure experienced hopping all over you are. You don't stay in one place so okay. Thirty four a big man with a bushy red moustache prufrock strides around the library. Like a drill. Sergeant be very careful about fingerprints. He says to his men in a loud voice and I want anything that looks suspicious. Sent to the lab for analysis. Yes Sir the officer. Replies proof ACC- asked everyone's identify himself and starts making notes in a little black book when he learns Robert Lipscomb? Dr Robert lipscomb exactly. He looks up with a smile. You must know a great deal about poison DR C. He acknowledges knowledge is he's a doctor. They're out of the gate he's like. I like this guy. Robert flushes with anger. Are you implying that I murdered? Thrown baby cries ignoring Robert. Prufrock says I'm going to talk to you one at a time and remember anything you say may be used against you Robert. Lipscomb come with me officer Schmidt will stay with the rest of you. Prufrock crosses the room and looks you in the eye so the great detective is here. See again this is his first case. How is he? Great detectives being sarcastic. I think they're being sarcastic. Go back you did. Did help solve his aunts? The break I guess at the beginning drew one case still okay. Plus by the way his partner is named Wants his partners that Schmidt Schmidt. Yeah I want the eighties cop drama show prufrock and how about a yes awesome. Actually prufrock yourself. I mean we had hardcastle and McCormick. We had what Riptide we might as well fuck and Schmidt Remington Steele agents now. Now now guard a scarecrow and Mrs King or whatever it was called it's a B J and the bear. Now we got prufrock and Schmidt Man I love it. Sorry to hijack. Let's see prufrock crosses room okay. He says sarcastically. You might as well go home to bed. I won't have any trouble solving this one. You smile to yourself. It's not likely this will be the case that breaks proof rocks long string of unsolved crimes in any event. Thrum Bay asked for your help. And it's your duty to figure out who murdered him while prufrock questions dinner guests you decide to look elsewhere decision time if you inspect the greenhouse member. He said that's where the arsenic has kept. Yeah there's a hint in greenhouse or do you want to go to the hospital and talk to Jenkins the gardener so go to the greenhouse or do we go to hospital tart talk to the Gardener Greenhouse or hospital. I have my next Oatman is right in your next movie. You let me know. We're GONNA work on this together. She's she's writing prufrock Schmidt. We have one hospital one greenhouse. Let's see what we get for a tie-break if I am writing prufrock and Schmidt or if I'm helping make that happen we have to have one of them be like he can see ghosts. Yeah Oh greenhouse Paul broke it greenhouse otherwise just have to come back to the day thirty three thirty three so turn back in there by the way that you've got your magnifying glass and your little our the body that we are inhabiting in the story is that of like an eight year old boy a jarring skinny little body luckily or maybe like a twelve or thirteen year old as you walk across the long wet with the evening. Do we're getting a little details here when you reach the greenhouse. You're surprised to find the door wide. Open you shine your pocket flashlight. Which was new technology in the eighties on the door frame and look at it through your magnifying glass. The Wood looks as if it has been gouged by a large pair of sharp pointed. Cheers inside you walk past. Rows of potted plants at the far end is a steel file cabinet on the top shelf or bottles of insecticide and rat poison. The show is covered with dust except in one. Small Round space from which bottle has obviously been removed. Suddenly of voice calls. Who's there it's prufrock of more carbs? It is shining his flashlight in your eyes. Oh It's you. He says we phoned Jenkins at the hospital. He says there's a bottle of arsenic on top of that cabinet. There isn't any more. You reply someone broken this afternoon. Took it one thing. We can be sure of them. Prufrock says Jane Thrombosis didn't do it. She had her own key and wouldn't have needed to force the door open. He stands silently for a moment. Apparently thinking well the evidence is gone. There's nothing more to do tonight. I'm going to get some. I'm going home. It gets worst COP Hashtag worst cop ever abstract. Don't be a prufrock. Did you have to ask Eddie? Did you have the Little Pin Pin light when you were a kid? Oh God that one with a little button and look at the pocket thing or you could like. Put it in your pocket. Yes man I wanted one so bad. I didn't I didn't get one to later. But yeah you're right. That was like an eighties thing. Pin Light yes. Oh man and I would use that. I would use that in. Read these in the dead of night in my room. All it's awesome. Okay so here. We go if you check. Further for fingerprints and other clues in the greenhouse turned to pay thirty seven or should we go back and check out the Pantry and I do think that's where they got the brandy from so yes we go we can look around that greenhouse or we can go in the pantry choice. Airbnb thought the viewers decide the look at look at the Jesse. Prufrock is in the pudding on you and Paul. How did he know we were going to page thirty three a? We got to pantries. Paul and Kim said go to the Pantry or entry and think we're going to the Pantry Pantry Lee. By the time he returned to the house. The dinner guests of left Jane does not object to. You're looking around and searching under the refrigerator and behind the stove then you shine your flashlight outside something glittering in the shrubbery a minute later you recover a bottle from the thick growth. The next morning you visit Jenkins and the hospital. No doubt about it. He says that's the arsenic bottle that was in the Green House. I remember the way a piece of the label was torn off. You thank Jenkins and head back to the Throne House so we just jumped a bunch of time. It's evening it's morning it's Ryan meaning in this House and we go to page forty four okay so we have a lotta selections here so everybody engine. We're in the choices now. Helga meets you at the front door and shows you into the library. Everyone else's here. She says inspector prufrock hope he got a nice night's sleep because he just took off. You asked him to meet him in the library at nine o'clock but he just called and says his alarm clock did go off and he'll be a little late so prufrock rock. You're the worst stuff writes itself. Eddie I think I think prufrock and SMID it'll be hit. Schmidt is holding this organization together. Here's our options. We got one two three four five five options here. Talk to Chartwell or Robert Angela. Helga and the last one. If you decide to walk around the grounds and think about the case were while so do we think about it? Do we talk to Helga. Angela Robert or Chartwell? Well we know prufrock isn't gonNA figure it out as he slept in because he does alarm didn't go off. You're saying prufrock whenever I mess things up like I said that rocket up Hashtag prufrock rocket up so we got walk around Helga. Angela Robert shower so many choices walk. Walk Walk so I guess we're walking sixty or Christopher walken right. Here we are man that must be. What's her nuts? That's Ginny jemma fudge deciding. You can probably think more clearly while taking a walk truth then by sitting in the musty house now thought it was a nice house now. It's musty okay in this house. No kidding you step outside and stroll through the gardens as you approach the greenhouse. You're surprised to see Guinea much a bit too. She did it. She killed him. She did it standing by the door sees measuring with a ruler. Girl you gotta get a tape measure for that. You wrong tool. Yeah Yeah Wow. She's out of her element. Eighties your ruler. The Ruler Look. She calls to you they match. Give me some context. What the marks. Where the door was pried open match the points of the shears Robert lipscomb put in Chart Wills Car. Still the no no doctrine. Yeah no doctor. Jenny starts across the lawn headed home. She's going to drop that kind of truth. Now get. And then just wasn't yeah. Just step drop the MIC. Drop the ruler. I'm going to. She breaks it up. Lick headed home. What do you make of that? She calls over her shoulder. She's acting real aloof. You walk back toward the entrance to the house. Several cars are parked in the driveway. Including proof rocks chartwell. Lets you in Chartwell? Let in the front door but as soon as you step in. He hurries out headed toward his car. Okay go to page eighty five. Eighty five prufrock just decided to shove. Oh you're finally here. He decided grace us with your presence. Keep going or you want to do this. One group frock strides towards you from the direction of the library. I've solved the murder. He shouts through the windows. You chartwell getting into his car. How interesting you say. Who is it you might have? You may have heard that the murderer airport arts nick into thromboses brandy bottle late. In the evening he found we found that chartwell broke into the greenhouse using a pair of garden shears to pry the door open. We found the shears in his car. The blade points matched the marks made. When the murder pride the padlock off the greenhouse door? I be so sure of yourself. Prufrock says the two of you look out the window as chartwell rewards down the driveway. Who's cars that PRUFROCK demands? I'm afraid it belongs to the man you want to arrest you. Reply Prufrock Russia's outdoors. You follow and watch him as he races to. His car jumps behind the wheel. Fumbles for his keys. Where are the keys for this car? He yells so the police here mess policeman rushes from the House holding a set of keys up in the air. You told me never to leave them in the car sir. He calls as he runs toward the car. A moment later they roar down the driveway lights flashing sirens screaming to pay Jason. You shake your head in disbelief. At least as likely that the person who used the shares with tossing and Charles car as that chartwell would leave them. There prufrock reminds you of a dog chasing a rabbit. That has just run the other way. So let's go to page eighty nine. Feel like we're getting there done done. Yep Wow this yeah go ahead. You return home because you missed your show. Yes you return home for you for. You have some work to do there before lunch. That's a weird way to phrase that is really like we're not that far away from the eighties. That's weird. By the time you get back to the throne be house. No one seems to be at home after ringing the bell several times you try the door. It's unlocked that's called pulling pulling a mudge amongst fighting biting yourself over it's unlocked and you step inside and walk down the hall to the library. Suddenly you feel the hard pressure of a gun to your back. Don't move. Don't look around a heavy hand on your shoulder shoves you into a chair. You Dare not resist as your attacker wraps a towel tightly around your head and over your eyes and ties you to the chair you hear papers rustling. Someone must be searching through Harlow thromboses desk. You could probably get a hand free and rip off your blindfold but that might be dangerous. Oh guys no pressure. If you're a shoes your own adventure rookie right now. This is where we might die. Yes so if you rip off the blindfold or do you sit quietly all right. This is it you gotTa. I'm guessing one of these is GONNA kill us. I'm on pins and needles blindfold hoping to gun or maybe since run a little late Eddie. We might want to just go ahead and pick and we don't want to. Yeah I mean and I mean we've let people pick so we're okay right. We're only like we're towards the end here. I can tell you now. Yeah so do we. We're getting I kind of want to rip the blindfold personally Okay let's hold off all right. Take it off. Take it off okay. We've got a vote. So take it off reaching for your blindfold. You feel a smashing pain in your head you slowly. You're slowly waking up. Your head is pounding bandaged. Covers half your scalp in one ear? You're lying somewhere. Must be the hospital a doctor standing next to you. We had to stitch you up a little. He says it's not serious. You can walk out of here. In the morning. He starts to leave and then turns back. Oh they found this note next to you. He hands you an envelope from which you remove small. She of yellow ruled paper. It reads drop this case or next time. He'll end up in the cemetery. Nice in the Biz in this business. You have to take chances still. It might be healthier to solve this case in a hurry early the next morning and you walk out of the hospital into the bright sunshine thinking about Angela where she the one who broke into the greenhouse took the arsenic and poison the brandy. So do we investigate Angela or you decide might be a good idea to check in with Jenny. Mudge mysterious and Aloof which Doug Doug homes find to be a funny word or was that there it is the loose. A funny word. Aloof is much you want to do. We do. We want to have people wait or do we want to start deciding. Let's go ahead. Go ahead decide alright. I say we talked Jenny. Mud Kay. Let's go to ninety five ninety five watts short. You waste no time in phoning Jenny and there are a lot of choice okay. This is different if you asked Jenny to watch Robert. Turn to page ninety. Seven short will turn to page ninety eight. Jane turn to Page Ninety Nine Angela. Turn to page one hundred if you didn't ask her to watch anyone turn to page ninety six. Let's watch we've been? We've been talking to Robert Chartwell. Let's Jane Jane the wife because that's the one he he thought one right anyway. My wife wants me dead man. Yeah I read this. If you'd like yeah go ahead nine. Page ninety nine correct. Sorry Jenny said Jenny says Oh. I wasn't able to find out much about Jane. Her lawyer came to visit a couple of times. I guess she's pretty worried. I guess so you reply but with someone like prufrock in charge of this could be worried. Even if you're innocent that's a prufrock burn right there. Yes HASHTAG PRUFROCK burn so now turn to page one. Oh I go sir up Europe. How what she necks and we have just as I don't remember this. Many are getting all of this off. Great if you found fingerprints on the bottle of the brandy and you want to check out the lab report so check lab report found fingerprints in the greenhouse and wanted to check out the lab report. Go there could be found fingerprints on any. I don't remember that. So here's all of our cast of characters. Robert Chartwell Angela. Jane Jennie we'RE GONNA even interview prufrock. Gilliam Prim- I think we've even talked to that guy if you decide to sit in a quiet place and thinks some more if you decide to give up on the case absolutely sure you have the case wrapped up. Turn to page one twenty two. I'm GonNa just wrap up the case a wanted. Just wrap it up. You WanNA walk away. Let's just no. I don't WANNA walk away. I think I know it is. Let's see who going with. Let's go to page one twenty two. That's that's what it tells us do. Oh I have prufrock as a suspect. One twenty to return home and dial prufrock special number police headquarters inspector prufrock. You say with satisfaction satisfaction satisfaction. Sorry yeah satisfaction. If you have a moment I'll be glad to tell you exactly how hollow Throng Bay was murdered. Dont the end the end so I guess we solved the case. I guess are remotely you solve the case? We know who did it man? We deep on that usually lasts that long. Usually I'm dead in the first couple of pages I'm then it turned out that way because at least we survive. We walked out alive. That's proof you did it right. And he has a new. Tv show proof Rockin Schmidt check your local listings. Well Hey we went a little late. I know you've got the next next mega common. So I'll duck out so you guys can do that. That was such a good time Eddie. Such character he's a great guy. He does a podcast at make. Turn your great again. Daydream instruction manual paranormal. Dad's song include a link in the show notes for his other shows as well and you can also go to covert dot net for links to this episode and other episodes. So thank you for listening and until next time nerd it up.

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The Clinical Hacks on the New Patient Exam (CHP11)

The Dental Hacks Podcast

29:11 min | 2 years ago

The Clinical Hacks on the New Patient Exam (CHP11)

"Welcome into clinical hacks where real working dentists talk real dentistry sit back relax tighten your tough almir prepare to be clinically act clinical hacks listeners. Welcome back to another episode of clinical hacks. I have as promised last week. I have brought back regular host so the dental hacks podcast jason lipscomb hi jason. Hey how is virginia treating you the evening jason season levin the dream match. It is a match other other one degrees at oh. Gosh bring the heat and all the way from michigan. We have sean vanda -vivor sean what is up <hes> not much my man. Thanks for having me back back like the mandate they called. You go yeah well. When we we yeah when you skip that penicillin shot in the butt. That's you get it again. I've heard oh that's what they all say. Sean woah s. t._d. By inwards i was promised mara just wants ooh just be nice right so speaking of being nice <hes> we are going to see if you guys be nice during your new patient exams exams so we're gonna talk about those sean. Are you accepting new patients in any of your locations <hes> you know i a._m. Accepting new patients <hes> however i do answer the phone every now and then and i get people asking me sometimes like the first thing they ask is. Oh hello are you accepting new patients and you guys ever gotten that question. In your office sean i would rather scrub the toilet than answer the phone if like the phone's ringing and the toilets clogged simultaneously. I'm going to the toilet <hes> but yes i've. I've heard staff members. Tell me that they got that question asked. I do think it's odd yeah. I don't take medicare yeah yep yep. That's awesome. I'm sorry i'm sorry i can't i can't hear you. I'm sorry i can't hear you. I hear you can hear you click. That's how i usually respond. That's heydrich founded the medicare question. Yes the doctor's death jason lipscomb in any one of your multiple practices. Do you accept new patients at any any of those places of always accept nations in we baby chickens. We're going with it. We always accepted patience. Bring it songs you gotta get the money's in insurance among them have cash appointment so tell me if i call one of your office jason. How is a where am i going to get slaughtered as a as a new patient here. How am i gonna get to triage through the system. We take slots to typically. Everything's everyone through hygiene. I practice he said taken lots of different classes and mm seeing different people talking about how you survived his <hes>. I've just i've never figured out how to make that work by practice. I've just got smart so i run everything too high to basically personnel a fan with triage them in drought with their the need is what they want to come in for <hes> and if they're wanting cleaning wanted to kind of get checked out they'll go through by team if the league about an hour fifteen minutes for patient <hes> if they needed emergency over the side of back to see what see shaken <hes> if someone comes in obvious route planning type of situation they kind of pump the brakes and have you come in or just you know do something today and unscheduled that later how does that as at work out when it's a much bigger mess than anticipated. My office is big same day. I said we we try to get everything same day awesome tina <hes> so i'm sitting there if we some easy prey on or whatever will we'll get a man. We didn't use a medicine which is a service of amplifies people inch insurance before the common so it's an automated call center service service absolute try to have as much information as we possibly can come in so if they come in and something like that happens we've got this is much information as possible to be able to jump in and across the watch it says <hes> so yeah right through if the hydrogen this kind of see something. That's going to be a little bit bigger scale than what they expected to come. Get me <hes> do any sam fire dependent jumping in and we'll talk about what the patient needs bath. You've done that day kim. It's today's the best day. How about you shawn. I call your office. How am i going to get triage d- for you <hes> <hes> well in my office <hes>. I don't know if <hes> you listened last week. <hes> but i'm gonna continue. I'm going to keep a good thing going and actually agree with jason again yeah and it in my office they come in for cleaning and triage them at that exam because <hes> i'm i'm in a. I don't know if it's fortunate or unfortunate but i call it. The fortunate position of <hes> working in three different offices <hes> currently during the week and one of those offices is a full fee for service practice where where they have a new patient <hes> complete or exam <hes> d zero one five zero for an hour and a half and and we take full photos <hes> an f. x. and nio e and period charting done by the hygienist <hes> a not by me and and <hes> that's when we diagnose give them a period diagnosis and set them up for a <unk>. They're they're cleaning appointment before. Any treatment has done <hes> even if they come in for an emergency exam if we can just patch them up until after they get cleaning and after we've done perio and after we've done a complete exam <hes> that we don't move forward with any treatment <hes> so it is in stark contrast to my office which is more like jason's in that <hes> i just i i think the biggest barrier to dental treatment <hes> for people is just getting them to the office and so that's my primary mary objective when someone calls is get them an appointment because if i put up any other hurdles i feel like i'm gonna lose. Someone and i would much rather <hes> i'm i'm with the philosophy of of something is better than nothing and so. Let's get him in the office and see what we can do for them. How can we serve them that offices successful that service officer doing working oddly enough yes. I don't know how it <hes> how it how it happens <hes> but it's it's a one doctor practice <hes> he only he works four days as a week and only has three days of hygiene <hes> but his hygiene <hes>. You don't have a new <hes>. There's not a new patient. <hes> cleaning appointment for are two months which i don't think is great but that's that's his management decisions so it's <hes> it's a little bit different philosophy. <hes> i think there there's a lot of ways that they could grow the practice and expand it but that's you know it's working for them so i can't i would you say shown that would you say that the comprehensive photos and the additional doctor time to actually sit down and speak and talk to them. You think that does help with maybe closing more comprehensive style case rather than just the boom. You got a broken tooth. Let's get a crown on that out. Today does does that help with that from what you've seen or not. Necessarily make a difference <hes>. I've seen it in my practice where it helps only <hes> because i'm doing a more thorough exam now so what i've done is i've taken the <hes> exam liam sheet so i use open dental and <hes> there's an exam sheet so i don't know what <hes> practice management software y'all us <hes> or if it's paper her <hes> exam sheets but now i've i've kind of transformed my comprehensive exam to actually be a comprehensive so i've taken more time after that new patient cleaning to do a comprehensive exam includes a t._m. J. a. t. m. j. exam soft tissue exam muscle exam orthodontic exam <hes> and i do all of these things added in and take photos. Who's <hes> so i think i added more value as i'm transitioning my practice two to four two more fee for service so i'm just trying to add more value in this this other way of practicing kind of made me see. How can i add value. I'm just trying to do it in a more efficient way. I think so there in your practice they're seeing a hygienist but then there may be shifting rooms and coming to you in in meeting with just you for at least some amount of time. No i mean i just nine. Do i try and do that. Comprehensive exam in the hygiene room <hes> they just they just finish. There's a little bit earlier so i'm doing. I'm getting twenty minutes to do an exam but that's how long i would be with doing a comprehensive exam for new patient in this other practice is just you know the other the other eighty minutes there with assistance in hygiene so <hes>. It's still the same amount of time. It's just less <hes>. I think it's less chitchat. <hes> it's more more more down business so for both of you guys so at the end of the exam. Let's you know obviously if they only have a up here around here. That's a pretty easy treatment plan to discussing and move move on with if they have if you run into some with some some some higher higher needs or more complex situation. Do you present a treatment plan the same day that i visit or do you have him back or how. How does that work when it's when it's more than just hey you got to cavities. Let's move on. Jason wanted to take that first or account. Defense allowed to <unk> the ideally. I'd like to give them something by way but typically it does take longer to get the full. Sam aren't right now. <unk> plan <hes> definitely gonna give too much time to get over it but also kinda give assess the situation agency. Is this person shock after this. They've they walked in bought me at mapping in all. They've got a ten thousand dollar treatment plan dan their their mind is fucking explode <hes> so there is some type of nuance when it comes to that as far as winning how that's that's plan plan some stuff staged. A cab depends on actional people saying no. You've you need this student crayons. Now this these other seventeen pounds by your your plan so let's start talking about that. Give plan <hes>. I think it's it's it's all across the board bids when we get at the morning to you if it it depends on if you've had your coffee or or your or your bourbon than the morning depending on which one you wake up with us can do a lot fireball such truth by tom. How about you shawn the the higher higher need <hes> patient site slightly larger treatment plan. What has that <unk>. How's that working out for you. Something where you might need like diagnostic casts or something along those lines to get things going where he's a diagnostic scans. Yeah scans ganz casts. <hes> yeah whatever some people do alginates. Some people have eight scanners going. I don't know <hes> so i- longtime ago. I read a book by <hes> paul homily. I think it's isn't it great when patients say yes and part of that was what you got to triage the patient. <hes> <hes> like high need low needs and so i think you you just kinda set a financial <hes> <hes> line re. We say anything above this. They're going to have to come back for a consultation and anything below this <hes> i can just present right now and i think that was about thirty five hundred dollars <hes> in in that book <hes> and so i i kind of said well if it's anything more than two crowns <hes> or if it's a single implant <hes> you know a single implant in my practices thirty five hundred dollars and i usually have them back for a a separate consultation for that because they need to know the steps they need to geno pricing. People don't have three thousand dollars lying around so <hes>. I need to put the financing options together so <hes> i've kind of used that that that benchmark in my practice as anything that's one implant or more than thirty five hundred dollars <hes> i'm going to have back for for a formal <hes> <hes> case presentation and i told you before i think zack about <hes> when i've because i've actually spent the time to do that while all i got these <hes> folders printed from vistaprint and i've got their <hes> specific treatment total with their name imprinted on our letterhead with the different <hes> financing options and i've already got their <hes> pre approval or not preapproval their application for green sky financing kind of filled out for them so they know right then hey here are my options here all the discounts that i could get if i pay upfront. Here's here's what it is. <hes> i in stages and here's what it is <hes> financed a monthly payments so they really have the whole picture and when i do it like that i've gotten a lot more acceptance for for <hes> for big cases <hes>. It's gone up a lot so and that's that's vistaprint. <hes> those kind of print up your nice looking monu of choices and treatment planning all that yes and i'm actually i mean i started doing that and and now i have a part in my procedure manual. When can i say to my office manager the front or basically anyone in the office. Hey i need a treatment plan folder. <hes> you know there's a page written out with here all the pages that go into this that did that go into a treatment plan presentation folder and so have all those printed out with the numbers and the breakdown and <hes> so someone else can can do. It and it's not just me but that's that's their job but my office is small so i don't have a dedicated treatment coordinator to do that. How 'bout we were kind of. You know mid summer when this podcast released kind of in the middle of pedo season how how kids get <hes> you know triage differently in your in your guys offices. I just ask them. How are you go. Okay yeah right it on the slip so make sure make sure i got your kid's birthday at right so that the <unk> the pita donald will know how how long do you do. You set aside for kids. John like you thirty minutes forty five minutes what do you what do you add it all and you set aside for us. Standard shot thirty minutes thirty minutes and if there's any restorative and they're wiggling rolling around at all. It's immediate referral because i know if they're they're not sitting still for a prophecy. There's no way i'm going to be able to do any type of filling on them. Mm so any type of restorative so unless it's a it's unless it's a two by two extraction <hes> they're they're. They're going to another office fus. How much too if you a part of your offices are not so much. Yeah we see kids. Ortho type of stuff in there to kind of looking at kids on some kids are gavin entry way into again the parents into practice typically about thirty minutes or so <hes> do some peanut just some some days i just get a wild hair was do this. Mike shots at i immediately regretted the gas lawn a little bit and their kids do better than anything all the kids. The kids like the gas to even you know era. <hes> do the kids go through your hygienic as well or do those come through your assistance and they don't really need a scaling took a look get through this suspension that they do their seven year. Old needs versus the black eye in the sky option. That's her everything right on. How much of a how big of a part is photography in your new the patients they have shown you already kind of mentioned. You're at the fee for service place. It's it's comprehensive fotos. I kinda myself. I only mcadoo photos. When there's something to show you know something you know if there's a i take pictures of things that we need to be addressed or if they ask about cosmetics take some photos otherwise not so much where you guys out with with photography into the new patient exam education eight by ten glossy orange ingenious signs. Your best signed signed photo. That's that's good marketing. I mean with that without mug. You know this. It's i have great aspirations to do photography united salonga to a class in oakland next days of the best picture taken world on moments <unk> <hes> also the scan account can't escape <unk> is photography teeth. These thickest body popping up in front of them got a good representation of what's also on their nasa pretty powerful dancer powerful to now sean sean. I know usually get one. You give every patient. Strawberries have bite into it and take a photo is that you're kind of your signature move at the sugar lips to yeah <hes> and cheryl ups thing that's that's right yes and ninety percent topless and sometimes i'll ask the patient up off to interviewers. Actually its dutch for sugarless yeah. I i try. I take i i try to get back into that. <hes> taken taken full sets of photos. <hes> in my practice d._s._l. Are and upload the photos <hes> i have have gotten good responses with using the surface tablet to give that to the patient so they have it in their hand but <hes> i'm going to try i think <hes> to to do more stuff on a ipad and and iphone touchscreens just because <hes> the cameras are so good now now and <hes> they're they're easily <hes> i wanna say like accessible but you put patients hands and they know how to use them so why not i just let them own own own their own photos and they can they can kind of see their own problems in this line has a federal upload rap up now that you can if you're going to take your iphones pictures from baseline and a time out really adds so yes. Some of these vices are doing so much better and i do <hes> has got some rigs and stuff that can make a lighting up. Take some action. I i'm with you sean. I'm i'm a pretty big fan of that. You know handing heading tablet and <hes> you know these days as with those flash air cards from two shibo or i fi- cards you take a photo and it is mealy uploads that tablet you put a ten inch tablet of oh cracked tooth in their hand and your you know your odds at getting him scheduled crown. Certainly i would say at least double. Absolutely i mean they can see well you know. How many times do you say oh. This is cracked in needs a crown. This tooth is cracked needs a crown. Here's a broken filling and and as soon as they hit that hallway it's it's bermuda triangle in the dental office. Forget they go to the front desk and <hes> is oh. Yeah doctor didn't say i needed anything and you're like what the heck i told you you know. Fourteen teeth are falling apart in your head and <hes> you know they just totally forget but when when they have that tablet in their hand <hes> they the the first thing they do is is schedule that treatment <hes> so i know i know <hes> t-bone talks about it. All the time that the best piece of technology in his practice is <hes> <hes> is sarah is camera so yep. It's true. I let at best they'll schedule. You know the crown for the broken tooth at worst they at least won't say you know that the recommendations to make your boat payment payment you know at least they'll at least see yes the tubes crack you know whether they do something. That's a whole different story but at least helps that haven't gotten the boat comment in a while. Do you have an article theme asthma afternoon. I'm on a boat all right right well. I think that wraps up the new patient exam jason we are going to do a little throwback. Here on shannon is podcast cast from yesteryear called dope lunch. We had what's called the mad dentists minute where we which is basically a rip off of your go. Go hack yourself so jason. Do you have a mad dennis minute for today. Just anything <hes> i'd start something my brother keeping into it. It's called the naked workouts. No please know that let me show you. I was gonna say we're on. We're on webcam cam here so give it to me. That's a it's a it's a workout app <hes> lady that does cross stuff in it's a uh workout app on your fan <hes> trying to get back in the healthy then <hes> and i started like two days ago but i did this stretch on there that i did the day that's all my wife built better than sex just with dennis hump in your shoulders and just the way this stretch my arm it was magic also have to act to say try a using like those rubber bands those bands but you like stretch your arm arm behind your back. One on my show <unk> a given noted. <hes> shana on is the originator of the mad dentist minute. What's brilliant. Do you have for me this evening. I wanna know i think i heard the mad dentist minute originally on the snooky dentists correct me if i'm wrong yes with <hes> with the orange scholtz and doc holliday holiday is that right or or ornsk rebelo king schultz <unk> avello yes yes. Those guys are awesome. They are not as good as you not as good as you and and i but they were denied so the the med dentist minute that i have for this week is actually about new patient photos <hes> because i'm trying to transition <hes> in more ways than one i'm trying to transition away from this full-blown blown camera and using <hes> an iphone gonna try and take full series of photos with an iphone and a like a macro lens attachment isn't that you can get <hes> but with that there is a wireless transfer of the photographs right from the iphone right into open dental and i believe it's compatible with several practice management softwares <hes> it is written by a dental <hes> dental desma geek justin schaefer. It's the pieces offers called. I ac- snapshot and <hes> goes right from your iphone right into the patient chart and so you don't have to mess around with <hes> transferring photos or saving them from a car to the computer and making sure they go into the right <hes> <hes> the right patient chart. It's just all right there so that's gonna be what my new <hes> setup is is just taking pictures with the iphone and it goes right into the patient chart art all wirelessly so that's my mendes minute is piece of cheap software nice. I am going to recommend a podcast to you guys. If you are a marvel nerd like me the second season of the wolverine green pol pot a bullring podcast called the lost trail is just starting to about six weeks through by the time you guys here this episode and it is excellent so if you like marvel stuff like the expon like wolverine it is a great scripted scripted podcasts like our old time radio show. It's really cool stuff. Is that the second season of that. It is yes. The first season was awesome the second season as in so far it's not done but it's so far really really good enjoying it so nice like the warmer ross gets the monkey the with that and thank you for filling in for these last couple of weeks jason and sean on it's been a pleasure and if you guys want more information <hes> i bet i can coax sean into posting some of his new patient nation packet information on the clinical hacks facebook page right around the time you are listening to this podcast f- lou thank talk shop and how we can't for jason lipscomb and sean band the sack miners and we think you listen and take care piece yeah.

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All Ball - Dunk Contest Controversy; LeBron MVP Case; Wizards Rookie Garrison Matthews On Making It From Lipscomb To The NBA

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

1:12:49 hr | 1 year ago

All Ball - Dunk Contest Controversy; LeBron MVP Case; Wizards Rookie Garrison Matthews On Making It From Lipscomb To The NBA

"Announcing the year of Twenty Twenty Twenty Twenty Vision that is twenty twenty vision at the center to be exact. That's why we are giving you twenty percent off your twenty twenty with stick with design plus a free consultation and no interest financing. Call the center today at eight. Eight eight eight four four twenty twenty to get your twenty percent off. I lay sick or visit the eye center dot com to schedule your consoles online financing on approved credit see website for details restrictions apply dugout Lebron. You are listening to the all ball. Podcasts basketball all the time and Mandy. We have a good pod for you. We're coming off and unbelievable all star weekend. I'm not really an all-star guy but I will say dare Jones and Aaron Gordon. You know this kind of plays into what Steve Kerr has said which is like look no disrespect to the old guard but these young guys are pretty amazing and they get better and better like we're not devolving as human beings were evolving and stands reason. These guys are dunking and doing drugs. We never thought possible but we come up with all star weekend with the guys played hard. The fourth quarter was a fun game. And you know I'll give you one thought on Lebron in a second. Let me just do this on the dunk contest? Which I don't think anybody else's said you know one of the great things about Jordan Dunk era was I don't remember him missing dunks in Dunk Contests. It used to be super punitive. You missed a dunk. You missed one you survive. You missed two years. Essentially out of the competition. He didn't miss so maybe that's why they didn't try some of these things or maybe they couldn't pull them off but as much as we're searching for why dare Jones and I don't know tie I like my own feelings have been in dunk contest. Which don't really matter. Why do we have to nine intense all the time? These guys should be judged different scale that the best dunkers in the world. Sometimes an average dunk is a five. You do that. And now you have more leeway for true scoring because not every dunk is a ten. It's just not attend. Should be the perfect dunk attend. Should be unstoppable but when a guy gets multiple tens or forties or fifties or whatever it shows you that people are they they think perfection has been achieved again again and again and life tells us that's not the case. The second part is that you can't get away from the fact that Aaron Gordon Miss some of these dunks and when you miss dunks leaves an indelible impression in your brain that you're not as good as the other guy so I don't know who should one or V got robbed. Whatever I do know that when I think back to Jordan's era you couldn't miss a big dunk. And he never seen to miss a big dunk as for Lebron and I said this on first things first. Tv Show and somehow it's I think he should be the MVP because all the little things he's done the leadership that he's shown the fact that for the most part hasn't been much drama. He's got long and bought into what Franken wants to do. All this stuff is great. I also think that when you watch the All Star game like Jaanus is just too long athletic form when you watch in the regular season. Same thing when you watch him guard Kawhi Leonard same thing and so when I tell people like I don't know if he's a top five player anymore like well how could he be the MVP. Well he doesn't have it every night he can't bring it every night he doesn't have an and against the best of the best. I Ki- Kinda Kinda. Have to hide them a little bit defensively and offensively he. He's not always able to do what he wants to do. he's still awesome. And I think you can be the most valuable and not be the best oftentimes give the MVP award. Whoever the best players James Harden's a better offensive player? He's in the prime viscous averaging thirty five points. He's like top five and assists. He's unbelievable now. He doesn't play defense as harder as often as the Bron. Lebron is locked up assumes across Middle Court Midcourt so I just you look around the NBA. And I think more people than exist on twitter. Twitter doesn't really understand nuance. I think he's having a great year. the free throw shooting is weird. It's limited in terms of his his scoring and they haven't always been the best against the best competition most notably the bucks and clippers but they've dominated everybody else being consistent and he's a huge reason why his leadership is voiced defensively and believe it or not he actually has the highest plus minus defensive rating the highest win win shares of anybody in the NBA. He does a lot of little things. That's why I'd make him the. Mvp All right. Let's welcome in our guest. He's a great story. Great Story He goes to Lipscomb University. Takes them to an NCAA TOURNAMENT FIRST NCA Chairman Appearance. All time leading score way to hear how he grew up. You'd think he grew ball is life guy. Couldn't be further from the truth. He ends up signing a two way after summer. League with the wizards making with the wizards actually had twenty eight in an NBA. Game and during all star break. Got Chance to catch up with wizards rookie garrison matthews. Be Sure to catch the live edition of the Doug. Gottlieb show weekdays at three PM Eastern noon Pacific on Fox sports radio in the iheartradio APP. I Guess Let. Let's start at the not the very beginning. That like birth okay. But you played high school in Franklin Tennessee. Is that where you grew up? I was like sixth grader. So okay so that's not where you grew up where. Where did you live before? Franklin Tennessee. I was in Louisville Kentucky. Before why why did you guys move I I don't know maybe that's most famous your job opportunities. I got from my parents. I don't really know to be honest with you. Had No idea why your parents knew you're like in fifth grade they're like we're moving to Franklin Tennessee. How far is Franklin from Louisville about three hours? A man you. My mom always wanted to live there. I just I just chose to chose move you know. Yeah Franklin's a really cool town like twenty miles from Nashville right. It's like a ver ver. Very very nice in your in your in the hard scrabble streets of Louisville fighting for your life and your mind wanted suburban life for you that you you play football and you played hoop like you're in sixth grade. You moved to Franklin where you a football game basketball game at that time. Football at Fisher quarterback definitely football Quarterback for six and maybe a little bit seventh grade. And then I transitioned to wide receiver. Where were you always? We always tall or did you go late. When did you go I was always Kinda toss one of my great a little bit or at least up there. probably around fifth or sixth grade and I mean everybody kind of knew that I was playing basketball. Just 'cause my height but Football was definitely probably my main sport growing up. So you show up at Highschool Frank Highschool School. You're in ninth grader. Your ninth grader. At that time you were a football player who played basketball or or what. That's the way I would say I guess so. How did how did it? How did it happen like when did when did this? When did the the switch flip if you will Well I mean I always just loved football I. That was my first passion. There's just always I mean Friday night lights man. There's there's really nothing much like it but I was always more talented. I guess in basketball And I had some. Fcs Low In football but now offers broke my colleague my junior year and then. I had a few few offers going into my senior for basketball. So that's why I knew I was going to do something college basketball but I mean obviously still football. Listen I love and when you when you broke your collarbone what were you going across the mill and you got smashed diving for a ball. Had you break? I was diving for for ball. Didn't touch anybody just landed. Did you catch the football? I did it at least I caught it. That's it all right good. So the legend legend it remains is like that boy. Okay he stuff. He broke his collarbone but he caught the ball. That's that's that's that's the big thing. Were you guys any good football we were. I mean we're you know it's kind of frustrating. Got Kicked out. I play offs so we had like eight and four or eight three and nine into records when my junior and senior year my sophomore year. We weren't very good but junior senior. Pretty good so I- football guys always came in. You know you come in mid year and like the basketball. You almost like weightlifting guys where it looks weird dribbling the basketball. It takes a while to get kinda touch shooting. How did how did you maintain your skill while playing football? I didn't really denounce the I didn't really work on my basketball game. Much out of season. I to be honest with you. I remember coming in the season going like starting out like eight. Oh for seventeen over twenty from three point. Line when I first got back. And he's being horrible and being like how am I? How do I even have to offer? I know play basketball So I mean it took a little while to get back into it for sure so but then I mean. How good were you in high school basketball? I mean I would say average I was like at maybe average twelve points. Maybe five or something like that. It wasn't anything special. That's for sure. So how did what was the recruiting process like the took lipscomb. They were super slow. I had a I had a pretty good Aau Circuit going into my senior year. That's really went. All my offers came. We actually had like three or four doing offer so I say all but I had a pretty good pretty at a circuit Or a couple tournaments and coach Alexander. He he knew who I was just from the area But they and they had offered a kid Before me and they told me that if he doesn't commit though offer me kind of their second choice but That's kind of how it went from. I had USC upstate new. Umass Lowell. In Austin P. or the other ones that I got to that that's interesting so that they offered some other kid. Who's the other kid that they offered as name's Ethan? Stare I think he went on quite mercer. Okay yeah so like when you go into the Michael Jordan right when you go into Lipscomb Hall of fame because he scored like almost twenty five hundred points you need to invite Ethan and then like pointing out like hey see. Here's Ethan Ethan. Stare gay he was. He was actually opposite scholarship before me and if not for him turning it down. I wouldn't have been here on this. I need thank you Mar. Yeah Yeah Okay so so so you show up so so lips. Kim is in is in Nashville right. So it's her. I mean it's twenty twenty minutes from home you finish up. How how well did you guys do your senior year in High School Franklin Basketball We lost in the region. Simi's I don't know maybe a little over five hundred record I we. We definitely underperformed for sure. I mean we had all of our like our starting lineup was like six four six five plus on every guy maybe six three editor appoint six thirty but we were Tal- group and we all play football so I was kind of all whole bunch. We're all like best friends and but definitely underperformed for sure. Okay so who are these? GimMe Given the names of these guys is. They're going to download this podcast. Is your sermon. Highschool a bunch of meat had football players. That just happened basketball too so I mean obviously there are more but like my core group would be like Carson Young Jackson sweat bees page Joe Chrysler and Zach Near. And we're all I mean still like staying great contact and our best friend since so yeah and they are. They like sleeping your apartment now. Are they living the life through you are the? Do they believe they're in the end. Yeah as well actually Zach Zach Near. He stayed with me for the first because he got an internship with maybe football and He stayed with me here for the first. I don't know four or five months. And he went back and forth here to navy and worked with them but now he's back in Franklin But those guys. They've got jobs at Franklin and one of them's doing Grad School. It actually Joe. Joe crisslow He's he's a quarterback at Byu Right now and I think he's Gonna. I think he entered the graduate portal transfer. So they're all kind of doing their own thing. Here's the thing. Saving money with. Geico is almost better than playing pickup basketball. Because there's always that guy who joins your game. He never passes the rock. He constantly bricks threes. And who completely hack you? And then put his hands up and say no foul no foul with gyco. It's easy to switch and save on car insurance. No need to fake. An ankle sprain because you're absolutely exhausted so switching save with GEICO. It's almost better than sports. That's pretty that's pretty cool. Cool group although as you point out your underachievers in football and basketball. So they may think that they're really cool. Only you have achieved greatness. The rest of them been underachievers there. by the Way Ethan. Stare had a good career at Mercer. He averaged he averaged fifteen half his his senior. I mean he didn't score. You know twenty five hundred points or whatever and make it to the. Nba Wasn't Ason player of the year. But he had he had nice little run so it wasn't like he was a complete slob. That that that that coach Alexander had slotted ahead of you at the time. Yeah I mean. I don't to be honest with you. I didn't really look much of his career but always gave him crap offering him over me. That's funny okay. So you show up at Lipscomb as a freshman. What was your first memory? Which because remember like you as you told us a year more football play like I basketball thing plates. Me You twelve okay. So what was your first memory of lives Kim? My first memory of lives. Cam was hating when I got there I always was the last one picked and put pick up. I probably wouldn't even play the first game I'd have to be picking the losers squad To get on the court You know I was. They knew I wasn't very good when I first came in which wasn't I you could tell when you can tell when guys with mess with your not if they like. You think you're good or whatever and I definitely not one of those guys. That was my first impression. Was I remember talking right now? I don't think I belong here And it was definitely a test Test of my faith towards myself and and all that so okay. So how like? How much did you pay your freshman year? I didn't play much of I have been till midway through our best player towards Co. and I kinda got sprung in there To where I started playing. I don't know twenty twenty five minutes a game or so. Who is your best player? His name is Josh Williams. Okay Josh gets hurt your over. They're pumping your fist and the bench. Like yes kidding. They get he he gets he gets hurt. This is two thousand sixteen and by the way cheating. I'm looking at all your stats. You end up like Kinda underselling it. You know average ten in only twenty minutes and only twenty minutes rights. I mean like you you came in and starting to Kinda get buckets right away. Your first game you started was against who Tennessee Tech. I believe was I like. Hey what do you asked what it was like? Yeah what was it like? Have you met what you remember? News crazy I remember it was it had been my my best game so far in my career there for sure. I mean it was nice to my best game was the first game. I started kind of solidified my spot from there on out well. Let's see here Tennessee Tennessee Tech. So is that the one you know. That's that's whereas Tennessee. It was at Tennessee tech no at home as at home you guys lost by three I guess remember this December fifth. Two Thousand Fifteen you guys lost by you guys lost by three to Tennessee Tech. You want you WanNa know more more about how you did. I think I remember. I had like sixteen or something like that. You had sixteen. How about that? It's pretty good? It's sixteen you had four threes. You you go from like out of I belong here too. I can do this. I hit four threes. I played played. Eighteen minutes played eighteen minutes. But at at that point in time though. Okay you guys you. We're not good. That was you lost foot four zero than one two three four five six seven eight you lost. Was it thirteen out of fourteen games before kind of turning around once he got into Ason. Play you as you said you hadn't been great in high school but you were never bad. How did what was losing? Like for you It was miserable. I hated it but it was almost like to be honest with you. I I hated it so much but it was almost like I was like I I was used to you know and I was just trying to find a way to just completely reverse that cause in football we in basketball. We underachieved in high school when we were good players. We should have one more college. I get to college. Were under performing well to be honest with you. I don't really know if we should have over whatever but it was just. It was almost like it was. I couldn't break that cycle of losing but I hated it more than anything. The world your freshman year gets gets done and I read something about. I remember when you were in college. You said something about your your freshman year gets done and what. What did you do in between your freshman and sophomore year to to kind of change your game to evolve and take that next step something just quick man we mean are are post. Marbury we we were like you know what we're gonNA CHANGE OUR DIET so we're GONNA change the way we train. We'RE GONNA change the way we think where we work out. Whatever it maybe. We changed everything and that was my mindset going into my sophomore year and we kind of did it together but we. I just completely changed the way I worked out. A completely chant went from party and doing that stuff but really focusing on my game because I realized I could actually maybe do something And then somebody came into my life set new my brother that started working with me and working working me out and completely changed my name. Names Jordan Completely changed the way. Our down helps me out at time man. And that's really when when everything kinda turned all right. Let's let's start with your diet What did your diet become I I completely cut out. Tried to completely cut out sugar. Obviously you know every day's but I try to eat like no shirt all. I eat a lot more protein. Cut Down My carbs all that stuff like I would eat pretty much anything For then I'd go to Baskin Robbins. All the time and go eat I'd go to Publix and get those like Oreo pies or whatever. Just EAT THAT CRAP. All the time and actress completely. Cut that out All that stuff and I stopped drinking calories so have is water and coffee black coffee. It really really was a huge help. And you you go from ten a game to twenty a game as a sophomore. Now I should point out because I'll be that guy like and you know you guys are in a Son Team. You start out playing. I mean it didn't it wasn't great you. You did beat Tennessee Tech. You had scored one hundred four points. He got beat but outside of that. I think you'll see like one two three four five six seven eight lost eight of your I nine Division One Games. You beat like Pizza Hut and some other non d. one or whatever smack by Cincinnati but and then of course you lost you lost by two points to Belmont want to get the Belmont. That rivalry outs how close the schools are in second but you do all these things and yet for a while there before you got. Ason play you guys are still losing. What was that like mentally to be? You're having personal success. But Damn we're still losing these games. I remember sitting in the locker room with our team and our head coach. And we're kind of having a cup that Jesus we're all just super pissed off. Just why are we still lose and I remember like Sanford everytime like Oh this is embarrassing like I. I walk around campus. Just embarrassed has happened in. Kochan like that too much like even when I graduated. Remember some saying that That this embarrassing really to be honest with you. I felt like everything kind of turn from that point on. We started winning more. And it's something just clicked. I don't know yeah you guys one. Us went one six in a row twice at two six game winning streaks which you hadn't had had visual basketball before all right so you get done. You lose to North Florida In the tournament and won Twenty Games. I think it's first time division one basketball. He goes when twenty game. You had personal success so tell me about Jordan's workouts how we're Jordan's workouts different than anything. You had done well to be fair kind of really worked out outside of the season on my own my craft and he kind of talked me that like. You're not going to be really become what you want unless you. You really work out with such honesty man I come out of the workout. She strengthened sweat sore not able to walk or do not just not just set shots but game like rats. And isn't that in this is it's a conditioning workout to say not. Just it's not just any sort of shooting workout. It's it's anything you can think just going at one hundred and ten percent. It's hard you can't homework out. And and that's really what his workouts are about you. And I'm sure you came out like Mass Baskin. Robbins would be good right about now and it was. It was exactly what was Casey liked. Play for he. He's a great great coach. Great ex- knows guys. I mean really knows what he's gotta be one of the smartest guys I've been around But he's also like a super super supportive coach. He's not one of those guys are GonNa sit here and dog. He'll he'll definitely tell you what you're doing wrong incorrect you and and you don do you. But he's he doesn't a constructive way where you learn from it all and he's always been super super supportive of me and I still keep in touch them. We got a great relationship but I I wouldn't be where I'm at in my career wasn't for him. That's for sure. Okay Year so you come back for your junior year right now you got you got it across your chest your twenty game guy and in the like six game that you play. Belmont for people who don't know the Belmont lipscomb rivalry. What is that game like? It's insane I mean it may be one of our biggest games all year to be honestly with you it's You know you. Don't you go into it. Not really like those guys. They don't really like that. You don't reinvest go outside of that game I mean it's it's definitely a huge. Like prideful game for sure and obviously I went. I don't know like two and six again. So maybe you have a does the junior year. You swept him. You'd be what we didn't quite and yeah so the first game you beat them. You scored forty eight in the second half your team score. You personally scored twenty two six boards. You did have an assist. That might have been an airball. That might not actually been assist. Probably would probably probably was what was the feeling what was the feeling like of going into. Belmont and and beating. Belmont it was. It was one of the craziest world. Just because when lipscomb hadn't beaten Belmont pry. I think it was like eleven years or something like that or maybe the whatever it was but it was just going to be able to do it just for that school and in. I mean you. You wouldn't really be able to like tell unless you were there. Just how lipscomb? Kinda erupted from that from those wins and how it really like. Kinda brought back to the school I guess it was. It was A. What's let's let's as a school? It's a it's a very it's a small Christian College It's it's it's a It's I it personally for me is a great fit For me being my faith being very important to me I'm Christian and that that's one of the biggest things in my life is great for me to be grounded of their in that and It's it's just. The perfect fit is a small Christian school only about four thousand students. There Undergrad I mean right in right in Nashville so many he can't really beat that either. How far from Belmont not even two miles crazy crazy? You swept him that you guys. It's bobby bones I host bobby bones show and I'm pretty much always sleep because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I get all my friends together so we get into a room and we do a radio show wish your allies we tell our stories we try to find as much good in the world possibly can and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country. Artists are always stopping by hang out and share their lives and music too. So wake up with a bunch of my friends on ninety eight point. Seven W M Z Q in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP. Okay fast-forward you play Florida Gulf Coast at Florida Gulf coast right illegal arena at Florida Gulf coast to go to the NCAA tournament. What I've I've always wondered like. What is that pressure like? It's not just that you're on the team that has to win to play in the tournament. But you're the guy who has to perform in order for your team to win and get to determine what what was that experience like yet because yeah I mean you you had seven threes. You had thirty three. I mean you you absolutely balled out. Thirty three nine three assists in a block one. Oh eight ninety six win over F g you but what is that like to try and sleep the night before get ready knowing so much of the pressures on you? I mean you can't get much sleep. It's it's one of obviously sure that kind of pressure but I mean once the ball's tipped and you get past the first media timeout. It's just another game It's but I mean leading up to that point I've never had so much gentleman. Pumpkin survey entire life. It's just it. I'll never forget that moment. That's for sure you go to the NCAA tournament and now you're taken on North Carolina. Obviously You know that look. That was a every Carolina teams talented team. That was a that was a town. I was a talented team With Cam Johnson and Kenny Williams and Luke Maye What was that experience like for you? It was it was obviously a really cool experience. Obviously it hurts that we lost and I didn't play particularly well whatsoever. So definitely frustrating But really to I mean to sit and like realize how far we've come at school being the first team to ever made it into tournament. And then you. Kinda gotta put things in perspective. Even though as much as I wanted to win it was just. It was cool to be able to school. It come back for your senior year. Now you've been to the NCAA Term Palace success. Everyone knows you're going to be good. Did you do anything different? How did you continue to evolve as a player? I mean I continued to work. I was I realized that if I really wanted to excel in maybe possibly make. I didn't really think I had a chance to make NBA late in my senior year. But if I really wanted to have a chance to play professionally I had to get my three point percentage out because I'm not just athletic score or anything So I really really focused on shooting the way I sh type of in terms of what some of my shots. I mean. I'm not particularly squared up to the basket. So I'm really coming off screens really really hard and just basically jump into soon as I casually turn. They're making shots. Like I work on that stuff. All the time And how many how many how do you have? Do you have a number of shots like because we have on before we were talking to you? We're talking to Matt Thomas. Of course Iowa state now with the Raptors and he said you know I I don't do really numbers and shooting. I do till with feel when I'm feeling like from a spot a shot. I see a go in a couple of icy. Sometimes you have a number like what is what is your pattern. What is your routine no? I don't I don't usually make I don't usually make it a a number unless it's like They're set shots. I have to make out in a row to move to the next five but I'm doing that kind of stuff I read. I'll I'll maybe spend fifteen twenty minutes of doing one sort of move pinned down until I really really feel like we can move onto the next thing. The next thing And my trainer Jordan. He's done a great job of his workouts. He doesn't he makes it game like he's not just sitting there rebounding passing ball. He's he guarding and he's making it like it game like so that you can really improve so I don't really think of a number so we really feel like we've got it and we I mean then we come back the next day and do it and they stay so ted. This crazier senior year. You Win Twenty Nine Games. You Win the league but you get swept by Belmont right you lose by four there over to there and four at home you lost a close one to Louisville you beat middle. Who is really good ride another? That's that's like I don't know. What is it forty? Five minutes outside of Nashville Right? So these are all kind of clues. You lost to Clemson. So so Gimme like. What are you your senior year? It's you Kenny. Cooper Michael Buckling Rob Marbury. Are you the? Are you the leader you the vocal leader or you were like what what what? What was your personality? My remained Eli pepper and by the way anybody named pepper. I don't know him but I'm sure he goes by PEP. Yeah a lot of people call up all right. So what's so okay? Give me the breakdown of what those needs are like the vocal leaders definitely had to be Rob Marbury Ours always kinda quiet dude. You didn't catch me really getting on anybody or telling people what to do or this and that I just try to be more of a a action leader I wasn't. I'm not much of a Talker for sure but rob. He'll talk for sure he'll he's allowed one and he he he the cats of our team and he he for sure made it known what? What is that needs to be done? And this and that and I mean he's a great leader forest. He did all the right things. Made right plays try to better the team. What whatever way he could I mean is that's the way he would he lie. He's eat is one of the one of the best teammates I've had you wouldn't see him on the stats sheet. But he's I mean you saw were over. He got over a thousand boards. But he's always he's never seen my stash. She's but he does everything to make the team. Better Sets great screens. Plays as hard as you can. Just just a great team always cheering for for others. Whatever Kenny? Obviously a great great point guard who just transferred to WSB past year I can't say enough about that guy. He's still a great friend of mine and he's an incredible player that I wish he got his waiver this year. But and it's always tough on you have a Costa lease them and I feel like he should be on his way. But that's another discussion not anyone across the street. You coach went across the street to. That's I I gotta get into that part but Okay so Michael. Buckman piece to where you can't forget him he's pretty. He's playing right now where they have obviously a ton of guys. So he's Kinda he's the one started out they didn't leave But he was a great piece as well. He's a great defender. And just a great place as well. Okay you're walking into a gym or walking into an arena headphones Coach coach Alexander would not let us know she had no headphones. C. Walk in. Or you get your sweats on bag. Okay there's no. You're not a music so you couldn't be a music guy before the what you're in the locker room you are you super quiet. You reading can listen to music. This has to be really weird. I I wonder what we can listen to music when we get in the locker room but like when you walk in. Yeah Yeah Solace and music. I'll definitely pray. That's definitely part of my tweaking Just Kinda get scraped out by the trainer trainer Scrape down stretched out. They know scrape down. They had this metal graphing tool. And those Kinda scrape out your legs and you're trying to out and stuff like that So I do that. I usually contrast in the cold and hot bath And that's really about it to be honest with you. I hate to bring this up but you did lose your last game in Allen Arena plane. You're playing. You're playing liberty so last game championship game for the eight ten a chance to go back to the NCAA tournament. What went wrong man. I would say it was. It was my fault for sure. Let's see I think we're I think we're up one with a minute. Last minute thirty left we have the ball and you know I was. I was driven and I could've shot. It probably should have but I look for one of my teammates on the back door. Just they they stole it turnover and went down. I don't really remember exactly what happened after that but ended up. We have to get into foul situation. Raises hit free throws that's went wrong towards the end of the game but I mean we basically the whole game. We let them play at their pace and liberty place so slow and we're one of the fastest teams in the country so as play at their pace than they've they've got a great shot to beat you. You hold like every scoring record there. You took the team to the NCAA termine you win. Twenty Nine Games right at that point because only a y you know twenty. Twenty-nine freaking games is crazy at that point in time. You're twenty five and six. I believe twenty or twenty five and six but I gotta think like I look I. I lost my night. We lost to Oklahoma. We lead by nine with what was five to go and I was guys. I could make a free throw. I liked completed. I was mental case up there and so I think my coach thought we were. They were going to start fouling and he took me out and like soon as he took me on. We just lost all momentum and I had a chance to take open three and a hit two threes in that game like your member these games so vividly right more so even than a lot of the winds You're in that locker room one last time and now you're like okay. I thought we were going the NCAA tournament for today view member. What that that group was like? When you're together at Allen Arena after losing your last game. God her I mean that was the most anybody's ever seen that many people in L. Arena. I mean it was completely sold out. I've never seen it that pack and it was crazy and and just stuck man. I couldn't tell you the feeling just a let down and and I still think about that. That back door pass through like I should have. Project shot it but I mean what it is. Yep You get to play in the IT. And the game which I think people who didn't follow college basketball figured out that you had a shot was NC state forty four points. You have eight threes What what do you remember about the game? I am absolutely insane but to be honest with you the most the biggest thing that I remember. It's GonNa Cooper in that corner three. You stole it. And I hit him corner for three to go up and and then I'll never forget that. And then him win the game when he bucket and those are the two. Yeah I had forty four but those are the two biggest bucks of the game and you guys are going to New York City so for a group of guys who you started out your career. I don't really necessarily belong here. Mom and then you get thrust in your freshman year and now all of a sudden you're senior you've been the NCAA tournament you won the League you have all these records look it's not the NCA but it is New York City. That had to be an incredible feeling credible reward for all of your guys hardworking. You're hardworking how you had had changed so much during your time at lips him. Yeah we we. We months that I mean we didn't make tournament and it sucks are one goal was to make it to New York and play Madison Square Garden. I mean you know. You're playing against these guys that these high major teams. They got letdown. It'd be Outta tournaments. You never really know whether they actually want to be playing or not. And then I t's so there I mean we probably upset a few teams that didn't WanNa be there But it was just our whole mindset shift as you were. We wanted to go play Madison Square Garden. You have thirty four. Your first night obviously struggled in in the championship game was it the length what about what about Texas did you. Struggle with me. Made it tough on every cash. They were doubling their the NYEIN. They weren't leaving me whatsoever. I mean shocker. Smart Super Smart goes I mean. Everybody's there He he had a great great game plan for me to balance. The niche is a run really much I could do taste so you lose that game. It was a championship game the. It won twenty nine games. What case he say the after the game he was just telling us how how proud he is of us and everything that we accomplish now hardly file all year long even despite getting kicked out of the tournament and still playing hard and the it. Here's just just kinda affecting over the year and and and stuff like that is a super positive speech. What did what. So what did you think like? What was your honest thinking after so colleges over? You're like all right I gotta I know. Pick an agent. I got to figure this thing out. What was your thought process? Yeah I was. I'd already kind of figured out who it was. I had my that. I wanted to say they were still guys flirting with. But I knew probably who I was. GonNa sign with and I'm lucky enough to decide what age I have right now and it's been an incredible fit from some woman I signed with. Who is it names? Chris Patrick With the Sports Law Group. Okay so Chris Chris Patch. So what did Chris say like what was his what he think your your rookie season as a professional would look like we'll see he was the only one that really thought? I could make it to everybody else was trying to push overseas and in so really my mind. Maybe these guys are right. I'm not going to have a chance to make a Chris like just get a two-way or some sort of deal and we're gonNA make it happen. Sure he made it happen okay. Well it's not it's not it's not just it's just not that easy right. Okay so okay you you you you. You had workouts. What was the best workout you had? I thought the best one follow next workout. I just everything seemed like it went in. I worked out with Grant Williams or team and I felt like we were just killing And I don't think they really had any clue who I was really before then and then they ended up like sorta like all hope that that was probably my best capture. So you they don't draft. You know one rats did you. Did you think. You're getting drafted draft. I I thought there was going to be a chance. Some other teams were some of the guys were picked. The other teams wanted before me. You go so you go undrafted. Chris Calls you right afterwards. He's texting during it. Like what was the what. What's the process like? Yeah we're I mean I'm kind of tripping out like wondering what's going to happen because we're talking. He's like well. I don't know what we're going to get 'cause. He sounded like I was out a couple of hours before the draft for maybe two year to a or this and that and then after draft. He's like well we got now and so basically. I was just going home like going to sleep like I was frustrated. My girlfriend at the time she was I was kind of like pushing her off so I sent her home. Kinda and was just being rude and so I went home just trying to go to sleep just trying to forget the night for sure. Okay who see you go from like I duNno? I had no idea to now. You're now you're expecting to make it and now you're blown everybody off because you're ticked right. You're in a bad place. Wake up the next. You wake up the next day and what happened. Well actually. He called me right before right when I got in bed that midnight that night. And he's like the twenty two and we jumped on it so the wizards to ice. You're like oh my gosh to A-contra you call your girlfriend back. You gotta come over anyway so so you do immediately to Washington. What's the process like? I flew that next week Headphone that next week to to DC to go through mini camp With them before Summer League and so. That's that's kind of what? I got to take a week at home and then flew up there. What did it feel like? Did it feel like I can do this? Were you was it? Was it like lipscomb all over again where you're not sure if you belong. What was the feeling? I didn't feel like I belong. Because we had twenty something guys fighting for the Summer League spot and a man. I couldn't hit a shot. One do nothing and Here we go and And it was definitely like that feeling of being lives. Go and then you're and then there's guys you've never heard of in your life like that guy he's really good bye. Have I never heard of that guy? Exactly okay so you do make the Summer League roster. You go to summarize what was that experience like. It was cool. I mean you see all these these high major guys that everybody knows about and nobody knows about you and you're getting to play with. They've got is pretty cool and I mean I didn't play the first two games and then played the last three and it was. It was one of those things where I knew I wasn't going to be like the high school. I knew I wasn't going to get the ball many times. I did it lifts going but I was just trying to do the little things just to kind of show that I'm a little bit more than the dishes shooter. You know. Yeah so you get done with Summer League. Who from the wizards talk to You I didn't really talk to anybody personally. No Tommy Sheppard the GM talk to my to my Asian a lot Really I didn't talk. Anybody personally there at the wizards okay. So so so what did what did Chris Tell you? The expectations were. They didn't really have any. He didn't really say any expectations. You Psych. We're GONNA there's a chance you can make it you. You need to see. He built this or they got this contract to me to see how I do and in the NBA Games and see. If I'm player that they can maybe sign for next year of is all about development year So that was kind of it wasn't like you're gonNA come in. You're going to score this amount of points to this much for our team which is kind of to see you kind of developed me as a player. Okay so did you. Did you go home. Did you go stay in DC? What's that process like when you get done with some really yeah? I went home for about another month. just worked out. That's a relaxed moved up late August Here in DC and just started doing workouts with the team and and everything before the season before training camp started did you did you chain. Did you crank up your workout. Is there anything different that you did? Now that you've seen at least some really competition. I kinda I kinda brought it down a little bit because I was like 'cause man that when you're doing your have no clue. How tough is that your body just killed and so I kind of doubt it down a little bit. Just let my body rest because I was so tired My Body just hurt so I I still worked out pretty hard but I don't. I turned it down a little bit with my body. Rest so you go back to DC and you go to vet camp so you show up at vet camp and I've known Scotty forever Obviously you know all of a sudden. You're like that's Brad Beal. These are real. Nba Players did you. Did you have a first Brad? I'm guarding Brad. Beal experience I remember. He. I mean I I've always played pretty physical and a lot of the guys didn't like played. Saddam expelling here man and I remember bragging pissing me one day. 'cause he thought I found or something and he's and then I remember hearing silence. You're poking at the bear and like I I didn't really care who it was guarding quite again And then then just brad started cooking in whatever. He wanted whatever he wanted to do. He made it so I have heard. He had like like as good a player like he's like what thirty two inch waist like. He's the most like ridiculous body in like just complete freak of nature accurate. Sue Breath leading doesn't have announced body fat on this in. I mean great guy to like Great Leader I mean the fact. He's a great player. I mean it's always been great to me and other people just helping people learn and stuff because we're a young group so you so okay. Prefers preseason game did you get in I I I think yeah I got in like you go. Third Quarter fourth quarter. I think I think it was going to mix. Maybe yeah mix actually had a decent outing. I think I had like nine or something like that and hit. A couple of tough shots is crazy. Feeling just being on the floor and it was a lot faster than it wasn't college to me. I got to be a lot faster a lot. More spread out dudes or longer right. The everything's all these angles kinda close up quicker so on you gotta shoot over that link for sure how do you how do you make that adjustment like we do you? How do you do you change your workout? Have Somebody's stick up a broomstick. Like what do you do to change to get used to shooting over that length? I definitely had to speed up my my release for sure and I had to really Kinda work on angles and stuff and where to be on the cash and stuff like that now bringing the ball down like a like a long release where you're like cocking the ball basically I try to eliminate some of that and just just realizing window pump fake and when not to pump fake and stuff like that is. When did they tell you we're going to be on the opening night roster I don't think they really said I mean obviously the G. League Seen heading started the training camp and started yet so it didn't count towards my days. I think my agent and already told me I was going to be on the roster. I didn't really obviously know until it came out but see you walk into locker room. It's in Dallas Right First Nights in Dallas. And you see your name and your number. That's Kinda you know for a guy like you're a football guy who became this basketball player. Who became the all-time latest score to now you're legit in the NBA. Like I mean the the I dream is I just WanNa play one night grant? You only played thirty seven seconds at night. You didn't hit a shot. I two games still though like it's your name on the back of your shirt. Nobody could ever take that from you. Do you do you? Did you have moments before you started really contributing where you realized? Hey this is this is. I'm I'm in the NBA. Yeah it did for sure. I mean it's been the biggest blessing I've ever been blessed with great position here but I I was never really satisfied with just being there I was I was happy. I was there but I never felt the feeling of being satisfied. You know yes no absolutely makes sense so then you have to go play in the G. League K. after being in the NBA. Which is like. It's a it's a. It's a step back but for you. Having played in the A son like look. You've you've been able to adjust. There were times early in your career where their work people at Games G Lee experience like I mean. I'm still bouncing back and forth between teams. I'm still planning to Julie but I mean it's different for sure I mean it's it seems like there's not as much space as there is in the NBA. It's like almost like everybody knows spacing better and then Ba. And it's it's it's different for sure I'd say but it's I don't take it as a demotion I try to take it as just a chance to get better and a chance to learn more and a chance to improve my game and that really try to look at it that way and not a way of. You're not good enough to play. You know what I mean. Yeah no no no doubt. Was there a guy because again? This is kind of my experience. I I did a podcast last week with the Raja Bell who we play in USB L. E. PLANNING CBA obviously before became start in the NBA. We tied there's Sean Colson. He now works guys out. And Sean Colson was the nastiest point guard in the. Us was a guy who guarded. Who you've got in the G. League. You're like dude. I never heard of that guy and he is nice. He really really good. I don't even remember him in his well. I know the the Martin twins for for who they were in college but they're in the G. League some definitely tough the guard. I remember this Windy City Bulls. I don't I still don't think but I remember him. Just shake me one time and under site where even go get called back up you get called back up and now you're starting to get now you start to get minutes right now. He's twenty minutes and starting to get opportunities. You take on the Miami Heat and I know how it works with younger players. You get to play on back to back. So you get to play when guys exhausted. December thirtieth last year You get twenty nine minutes against the Miami Heat. You have twenty eight points. I so I did. You know like he's one of those things where okay so I when you're a bench player when you're a two way player. Are you working out the first bus? And you're you're doing an hour workout for the game like what's your what's your day like when you're going to a game now it's like for me it's been like. I'm I'm typical as like the starters and you have your your typical fifteen minute workout. You have either meeting or well. Let's younger guys. We have like an hour Walk through the born into stuff and get extra work and stuff like that But it's not like an hour like strenuous workout. That we're doing you know earlier in the year when we were When I didn't play much I think I had to play a little bit. Three three during one of the practice when we're on the road while the other guys were just kind of getting up shots and stuff but and then I but they really kind of take on me. Because I've had some injuries as she I've dealt with so okay so tell me about. Tell me about that night and what it felt like. Did you know like one guy come to you and say? Hey I'm gonNA play a bunch tonight or you just have to be ready every night. I just had to be ready to really tells me but I knew I had a chance to get in because Brad wasn't playing. We had some injuries. You're they're dealing with so. I knew there was a shot that I was going to get in but I didn't know twenty twenty nine minutes for sure. When did you know you had a going when I I remember Tyler her was closing out on me and I hit will to go to the left. Pull up And hit it now. It's like I I mean I can do that. I mean I can start. He really put together. Pretty good game That I shot really. Kinda GOT ME ON I. Tyler is known for saying I'm a bucket right not being. You can't guard me. Was He talking to. You did not say anything no game. Nothing what do you what do you think is here it? I don't know what China's game I got him a little bit I know you hit a couple of tough shots against does but I mean he shifted. Dude I've watched highlights and stuff I can play Not a joke for sure after after did do guys when you have a game like that is it. Do Guys Look at you. Treat you any different or is it the same like you go out? And you're like you have twenty eight in an NBA game as a rookie. I'm just wondering if now people treat you differently in that locker room and and walk throughs and in practice. I wouldn't say that you tune in differently or a little bit. I mean you're still as one of their teammates and stuff like that but but I mean it's almost like you can feel a little bit of respect like they know that you can play now like you finally proved that you can do something You can almost feel a little bit. I like anything anybody who's doing any intentional or anything like that. But you know yeah. Yeah no I I get it Where were you when Kobe died? I was at my brother's house. I believe how'd you find out of my brothers is? Somebody texted me and I was like. I was like which Kobe and I was like 'cause like I was just in Disbelief. Like you can't be talking about Kobe. Bryant somebody else you're talking about and it was just and then I looked at twitter and twitter's going crazy you know she's like Oh my goodness. Who's your favorite player growing up? I A big Lebron Fan. So will you anti Kobe did you? I wasn't like I grew up in southern California. He's little young younger than me and we became friends but I wasn't really. I didn't love the way Kobe played. I don't know I just wasn't a huge respected him but he wasn't like one of my guys. What were you like in terms of when you watch Kobe as a kid growing up in Louisville and then later in in Franklin he's never got it. I was just like loved Washington play. I mean I definitely respect like you did not like the way he how fierce and how big of a competitor he was. I mean that that definitely I respect to but I I never really thought it down for you like that like I was just always just loved the way. The Brown play What was it like to go to the gym to be around? The guys like we in G. League at that time were you now. I 'cause I was hurt at that point I was. I had just gotten hurt. Us and out and I remember going to. We went live in Brooklyn where the The first time I think I saw the guys afterwards we're the MVP A we're doing. They did like a little like a little practice. And they're having Kobe Trivia video up there and it was They're having some pretty emotional talks in there for shows as sad day. Yeah no it's it's crazy kind of run the league when I think because affected a lot of people different. There's a lot of players a lot of guys who did love Kobe. But I think everybody even the guys. That weren't Kobe guys as he as he became a guy who finished playing. You know it was people love the work ethic and the toughness and they took that part as the you know the momentum and then there's also just the mortality of like NBA players. Don't die they just don't like the players. Football players seem to die younger basketball players. Don't yeah it's it's definitely crazy. How how much impact? Those guys have one just not even just like guys like us like an NBA. But like just everybody you know. Yeah it's been. It's been everywhere. The Guy who's been the coolest to you on the wizards who let's see here. I mean Brad's battering grameen. Just from when I ask them questions in this and that To be honest with you I love talking to you on the Hiti Mimi. He's he's big. He actually took me out and bought me some clothes one day. He's he's a great guy he just loves. Everybody's always got a smile on his face. I mean he's he's been probably the the coolest guy to me on the team for sure. Do you like boats. You like big boats. You like people working on yachts. Do you like poor people in the rich people. They serve on yachts. Are you always like what goes on below deck? Hi this is Anna and nick. Turner the hosts up decades. And we want to take you on a fun and goofy adventure in this. Been Style. 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Yes there may be added to me over here a few years down the line but I remember I got to I was watching corporal workout before one of our before we played them in. Preseason also you know what I usually go ask them what kind of his regiment and I went up and asked him before a game. Kinda West Duds and how he's made it. How often he gave me about like a ten minute. Roadway did I mean a lot that he just has to talk to me at all but it just took five to ten minutes out of his time to kind of tell me what he does and just give me some advice so that meant a lot have you ever heard. Do you know this thing that he does he. He does one crazy workout every summer. That like is he he did this. Yeah next time you see him you gotta ask him. He did this thing one summer. Where his trainers like all right? We're going to drop a boulder or some sort of big rock. You know off of Santa Barbara in the Water. And we're going to take a boat and then we're GONNA swim out to this one spot and then dive down and as a team like lift this rock up to the water and they just kind of figured out and do all kinds some some extreme every summer just a mix it up. Yeah Quiver that stats his deal? Like I'm going to do something different every summer to Kinda push my body but do it in a different way. I've never heard of that. Sounds cool though. And let's see you need to get that you need to get on the white guy shooter techs chain and then you would beat then you would know these stories new stories for somebody who hasn't seen Kyle Korver and like you're a great shooter right to watch a guy like that worked for game. How impressive like try and give somebody who's never seen a great shooter. Shoot in a in a one on none workout like what do you think percentage of shots he makes her had been eight percent. I mean it looks like the do never miss and it was off balance threes offer. They're all this. It's just it was just fun to watch and really Kinda see like where I could be pre. Maybe later on in my career is on to watch for sure. No it's it's it's crazy ridiculous. I remember I played in Russia. And I remember like I. I walked in going to practice. And you just like an obviously wasn't a good shooter trying to recapture like my shooting confidence. Whatever and these guys just and then you know you watch. Nba guys. They just never fucking miss like you guys. Never miss a minute. It's Insane I. I saw this video. Who was that of? I can't remember what Guy Shooting after the game and I don't think people understand how good how good NBA player Good NBA players are. What is you mentioned at the end of your roof freshman year in college? Change Your Diet. Dedicate Yourself Jordan. Started working with you. First Time your life gave up you know fast food and and try to give up sugar as much as you could. What's going to take you from two-way guy to making it to rotation guy? What what what do you plan on doing to take that next step? I think really really just sitting down and studying the game I've never been really that big of a film guy. Were actually sat down and study ethic. Really Kinda studying that and studying different guys in working on kind of Just being a team defender and working on concepts and Boston's on that kind of stuff. I think that really can help me. 'cause it really when I mess up. Its its team defense thing. I'm missing up. Some sort of a concept There will be every now and then I'll mess something up like a play or something which I mean. It's not often but it's mostly on the defensive end that's GonNa keep me out Whether it be concept on a ball screen or not being at the right place the right time. That's really where I'm GONNA take next level and hopefully stick your shot so if you're gonNA give advice to a high school kid. Who's a good player like you were? Who's trying to figure out figure stuff out like what do you tell them? I tell them to really so you're out what's most important to them if it's if it's if it's relationships with people put everything into that were kind of craft. Put everything in that. You can't you'RE NOT GONNA BE. You're going to have a very small circle if you're super super focused on bettering yourself and your crash because I'm telling you whether it's not a lot of people who have put up with you being in the gym at all hours all the time and Getting with the the frustrations of of sports and dealing with how how much time you've got to commit to that. I mean you really going to have a small circle and especially like when you have friends that want to go out Friday nights wake up the next morning to go work out because you can't go out like you're GONNA lose friendships. That's just the way it is and I did that. I would give is to to find out what's really truly important to you and just work at it as hard you can't and this is the most important question. How do you maintain your confidence? Because you know you've had bad nights right you have bad days now. Maybe your point now where you might be kind of past that. But there's you know there's there's even doubt. I heard in your in your voice when you get to. I get to the camp before we go to some lasers twenty-three dudes or you know now. I'm Garden Garden Brad. Beal one of the top ten players in the NBA. And he's cooking me. How do you process that doubt and not allow it to affect you? I mean I'm not gonNA lie and say that there's no doubt that crosses my mind because they're even now like there's I'm gonNA swamp right now and it's tough to deal with. I get frustrated but I just think back to to all the the little slumps that I've had and all the work that I've put in to get to this point and we all go through slumps. That's how we once we hit adversity. It's how we deal with How we come back from that and I really try to hang on that and I try not to look at that future outcome like me fighting for contract. I try not to think of that outcome outcome. I really really try to focus on. What can I do today to get better And if I just focus on that I mean I know the amount of work I put in. I have confidence in that. So if I really focus on that then I can't worry about anything else you know. I think the outcome will take speech itself. If I just do what I can today last thing you mentioned your faith is really important you into to small Christian School. You grew up in a part of the country. That's That that that faith is important you're in the NBA and there is a perception or your j-leaguers perception. That like you guys aren't aren't into that. How hard is it to live the lifestyle? You want to live wall competing at this level of basketball. I think it's it's you know it's tough just to solve the fact that you have practice. Sundays mornings usually churches. You travel all the time you have so many temptations out there but We have things in place like we have trap chapel before the game the have unfortunately that we every now and then we'll meet and do a Bible study that and it's it's if it's that important to you than you'll find time to to work on your faith and and that's something that I've really tried to hang onto is not getting caught up in the lifestyle and in just remembering where I came from and and who I really played for and who really. Yeah I had to put in work to get here but God blessed me with this talent. I didn't just do it on my own. I really have to hang my hat on a he. Got Me here for a reason. In if I sway from any of that I mean it could be taken away from me in a second and so I really you know. I've been blessed to grow up in a Christian family and blessed to have people around me that have pushed faith and and so I really try not to get caught up in that sort of lifestyle and and they they put things in place that can help you with your face face like chapel before and everything like that so I mean it's not as as hard as people may seem may think it is but it's it's It's something that I tried to consciously every every day improve on. Okay we I mentioned. I was lasting. Allied Casey goes from lipscomb to Belmont. How does that sit with you? You know it hurt I. I guess I would say her a little bit I was. I wouldn't say I was shocked but I was no but he spent. I don't even know how many years there he went. There played their coach there You know in all the stuff that he's done for me. I mean there's so much stuff that nobody knows. The of me just supported me and helped me through. Give me one. This is a great chance to say. Thank you. Give me one thing that he's done that people don't know about just like when when you think you can't make it and he his door is always open if you have any sort of accord issue that that you're struggling with like family. Wise are like something in your life that you're struggling with you. You can sit in his office and he'll talk to you about anything. I'm I had an issue in my life and I was struggling with and he. He sat down and he really cares about you as an individual. Not just a player. Not just somebody. That's proven the program. He he allowed me to come in be honest with them and and you know he's he's he's made a face to so he's he's got lucky and he's I'm telling you I can't thank him enough for what he's and like him. I have like the assistance to they. They're the exact same way coach. 'cause you're on straight men coach shrimp? They've been amazing to me as well and pray for me helped me through a lot of times in my life so I mean all all for them and I can't thank them enough. Well listen you gotTa Fan in me. I was a fan from the second. I read things about changing your diet and workout and watching you grow as a player and now you know when you play in the NBA. You're playing for a guy who I grew up. I lies in Scotty which is pretty pretty amazing You should you should honestly should download the pod that I have to part with him. It's like an hour and a half or whatever. He's got amazing all he's amazing amazing dude and we talked about you a little bit the summer when he was back. We're we're actually doing yoga together. But in the meantime you'll be surprised like there's going to be there you'll have you have fans everywhere from guys at watched you in the garden last year to NC state to know your story when he played in the Ncaa Tournament and now that you've made it so whatever slump. You're in shooting wise next one's going in. I can't wait to play more. I appreciate that It means a lot. Liz Great catching up. Thanks for taking time out of your last night. I didn't get I didn't get to talk about how In thanking appreciate how much my family's been there for to get me to this point as well and they they're my rock for sure and they helped me get to this point so I can't. Here's here's a question this Sonata. I'M A I'M A. I'm a dad right. I got a ten year old. Okay so how should I? How should I be like how do you? How do you do it? How do you push it? Because my dad was a former coach in my dad did he didn't know any other way he just pushed. He was hitting the gym. It Ju just figure it out you know he was an and probably end up killing my shooting because he was constantly trying to fix it and tinker with things having lived in from the other side. What you mentioned how supportive your family is. What's the best way? Let me put it this way. My Life I was growing up through high school. You know you see these parents that are super involved in like and talk to the coach and be like. Why don't you play my son? This and that and it rubs me the wrong way and I am so thankful that I had parents that kind of just sat in the stands. And we're quiet and watched whenever I had a bad game. They were there from if I'd again. They're they're from security and never told me weren't sitting there coach. I mean after the game. It'd be like us do this better like I. I can't say how important it was for me. Growing up that they were the quiet parents in the stands. They weren't making a fool of themselves to talk to the coach. Making you look like an idiot. The being like why. Aren't you play my son more? I'm telling you that it's not that way and it ain't GonNa work out for your son. I know that way. Yeah my thing is my thing now try to do is I? Try and pick out one or two things. He does well that he may not have realized that I saw you know like we've been we've been working on getting lane and jump stopping and and making a play and not not just just going. You know putting your head down just going and you know he drove in last game and also there's you know he's he's little and he's in fifth grade. He's playing against sixth graders. That are like hold back. So he's like two years younger and he's tiny. Anyway he jovan there and he you know he pivoted and made a pass out of kid made a bucket and kids are like. He wanted to talk about his jump. Shots he made the best thing he did. Was You got in there? You jump stop this. I'VE TRIED TO BE I. Struggle probably will never be the fan the stands. It doesn't say anything but I do want to be supportive. Obviously you wouldn't be where you are unless you had had that group behind you you know for sure for sure. I will get engaged. I I can't I can't imagine what more more to come and thanks so much for joining us. 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Owning a Practice vs Owning a Business

T-Bone Speaks Dentistry

1:06:14 hr | 6 months ago

Owning a Practice vs Owning a Business

"Welcome to t-bone space with dr turunen agarwal where our goal is to change the way you practice industry by helping you achieve clinical financial and personal balance. Now here's your host t-bone welcome to another week at another episode of the t-bone speaks podcast this week. We're going to dive into our vault of past episodes and we're gonna do a replay from a few years back. When i talk with the dental hack ducted allen meet inducted jason lipscomb and we talked about the differences between owning a dental practice in owning a dental business. Now many of you know that. I believe that. No dentists should practice as a solo. Dentist i believe dentistry is moving to a model where we're going to practice with other dentists whether in an associate's ship whether as a partner but i want to be the champion of the single location multi doctor practice and i think that's where you need to get to in this episode while a few years old kind of builds on that philosophy so without further ado. Let's go ahead. And get to the dental hacks. Podcasts we talk about owning a dental practice. Versing owning a dental business with alameda jason lipscomb. This is the dental hacks. Podcast podcast created by dentists for dentists. Now sit back relax. You're about to be hacked. Hello dental hacks listeners. And welcome to a special episode of the dental hacks. Podcast my name is meeting tonight. The we have a special episode featuring one of our all time favorite guests. He's been on a bunch of times. Dr tarun agarwal te. Jason and i had a chance to talk to him right around christmas time. We got him for like a whole hour. We talked about a little bit of everything. We talked a little bit about. Whether dentists should be entrepreneurs we talked abou- vso's we talked about family life and how How the difference between like a one doctor family and to doctor. We talked about all kinds of stuff and Was really good stuff. I thought and so. I'm not gonna take any time. I will say this if you have any questions or comments for t. bone or any questions or comments for us about the show feel free to drop us a line at info at dell hacks dot com in boyf- you have a chance run over to itunes and give us a review give some stars. That would be fantastic were still. We're still underneath that hundred review. Mark that we love to hit and man. We really appreciate it. I read every one of them in and make my day. So run over to i tunes leaves review but to go. Let's take a listen to our interview with dr haroon. And now it's time for him the gentle hacks interview pillow dental listeners and welcome to well i don't know if it's a new segment or what but we got t-bone again to ruin agarwal doctorine agarwal is sitting in with dental hacks again tonight high. T-bone how are you. What's up al. How're you doing good. I think it's t benz yearly. It is because it's like he's kind of he's when i think christmas. I think the guy exactly exactly do you ever jason. hi jason. how are you so. Tell me what's wrong with you. Why are you opening office. Obviously a glutton for punishment. I was little too bored with my my six six day workweek and self hatred in there something like that. What can i do you. are you working. Office will be some that have another dentist. That's going to be starting with this. He's gonna be sticking their most of the time. Yeah yeah that'd be number three so then we're gonna expand expand number two to have more hours and and get that going as well so that's smart man beginning. If nothing else you died trying. I mean that's exactly what i've been saying at. This office. goes down at least lack of trion well to go down go down in flames. That's what i say but it could end up that in a couple years you're looking back gloriously. On what an excellent decision it was too. I mean there's always. There's always that that chance that you're gonna look back on it. It just the the beginnings always a slog anyhow so yeah. This is cool this. That's a good question. I don't know. I think it does have like a a manifest destiny type mindset where i just i see an opportunity and i just want to jump on it. I think it's smart. That's why i asked. Because it's something i wanna do. I just. i just can't get myself to do it. I think part of it's because i'm just busy and content enough with what what. I'm doing unbelievably smart. That doing it. I mean i was. I listened to you. And you lances podcasts on the way home today. And you're talking about how you want your evolved over the years in your practice. And i think this is part of my evolution that i kinda got bored with doing films all the time and is this keeps an interesting for me and i've got a passion for real estate and and developing things like that so it of fits into that that mindset and i and i know i don't want to think about this when i'm sixty years old and say having a good office when i'm sixty years old. I'd rather try to do it now. And get it going if i can. I have a passion for sleeping. So i just see like if i were doing with jason was doing i would have less chance to indulge that passion to say. Yeah that's true. I love an acids. So that balling probably. Yeah jeez. yeah. I started balding nineteen years old. So quite honestly did i've got. I've got a huge body a little head. I would just pinhead while we were talking about that. That's not what i tried to get here for us. I was talking about my so so t-bone if you're going to do multiple offices would you do. I mean i know you thought about it because it's you're bringing it up. I'm just thinking would you try and do an office similar to the one that you have now or would you try and do something. That's like a completely different kind of ballo. Acts like where you implant be or emergency based or surgery a store or would use do another office similar to like your own in just a different different areas. I'd probably do something similar to what we're doing. I think i'm certainly our our scope of services would be different simply because you limited by the dentist. That would be working with you. that area so they're not always the most motivated people where they don't have that complete ownership mentality But i would certainly try to do. Because i think the the key in what we're doing is is we're trying to almost take care of everything for the patients in. We can do everything and i think. That's the key now. When i would probably do if i were to open a second office is i would probably try to bring specialists in exactly what going to do it. I would want to have an office built for so that you could have specialists that rotate in so essentially it would be a because right now. How would it be different than what. You've already built misguiding. Because i don't have any specialist in my own office and i i mean i. I have to start looking to do that because we okay. You guys are both in areas where you probably have specials coming out your ears. But but where i am i if i have someone who's got a tooth and i'm not gonna lie i don't there's a lot of surgery i don't wanna do you know i'm just not interested but i do. I do more surgery than i'm actually comfortable with. Because it's it's two months before i can even get a console. He you fly somebody into our well. That's it's interesting. it's interesting because i honestly am contemplating. My best friend from dental school does all kinds of surgery. We've talked about literally can get a license here and he'll just come Once a month in do surgery till you note it just load schedule up surgery. Because i can't. I see my patients. Don't get served very well at that point. It's very frustrate surgeries. This specific. when we i do much better. With some of the other specialties. But i love the concept of having a multispecialty office and you guys were talking about you. Think in five to ten years that most specialists are not gonna own their own gig. I wanna hear about that. I mean five or ten years is just leaving adri. i think what we'll see is And this is just me seeing what's happening and taking my own take on it is i think we'll see probably about half of specialist out there not working themselves. I think they'll be in group practice settings or idea setting which is essentially group practice setting working within that arrangement. I think the writing is on the wall for the perry. Donald stops us. See more and more traveling period on us than i've ever seen before. And i think talking to a lot of i think a lot of them are going to be heading heading to that business model as well. It's not a bad business model. I think it's a superior business model for the fact that first off. Why does everyone. We've got tons of people with really nice offices. Why not use more efficiently. You know what. I'm saying like what what what does what does my office not have that a that a surgeon would need. Well i could there be some specialized equipment. I could get that you know what i'm saying. Maybe a bigger opportunity for the surgery of sure but for the most part for the most part it seems like it would be a really efficient way to do it. Because i saw. They don't have to worry about all the the toys they can let whoever's hiring deal with that or they can bring a mobile right. I mean there's a lot of different ways you could do it in. Save a lot of overhead. It seems like a room in your office. Big enough for a surgeon or something like that to come in. This office is kind of build off up the breakaway models kind of built for speed It's twenty four hundred square feet and we've got seven percent there. Ooh that's tight semi. It's got a pretty good flow though it's got a somewhat bigger room But i i think as surgeon or a pair down could get in there and be able to do okay I i would like to do another office at some point. And i think we'll and that will kind of have like a you know you're surges producing a half an hour with your dentist producing all day long. I know i know. I would take two of those combine them. Yeah and make one opera dory that that's the more specialist based. Do you think that specialists. Are this a loaded. Question by eating specialists are have the ego to be okay with working for for general dentist. I think a lot of people wanna do that. If you pay hundred fifteen hundred dollars a day they will they will show up. And so i think i think i think it's like anything else i think if you went back to fifteen years of let's say i went to when i graduate dental school and you polled most of the people in my class. They would probably say. I want to own my own practice in if you ask those that same question today in dental school. I think you'd see probably less than half one one to own their own practice gotta also. I hope you're right. I hope you're right. Do you think that that is in some part the corporate dentistry kind of delaying their message out there that no you shouldn't you shouldn't message. They're they're relaying the message that we're telling that we want yeah. I mean at at some point. I think there may be some some message coming down that that people are hearing all this stuff that no they really shouldn't known and kind of taken it so okay so. Let me play. Devil's advocate listen. I'm an advocate of capitalism. I advocate of owning your own business and working it. But then i believe if you're gonna own business you should own a business and operate a business. You shouldn't be owning practice. I mean. I think there's a distinct distinction between owning a practice owning a business and all about being a business and maybe a practices within business. I don't want to digress there. But let's let me take advocates. Say why why should someone own their own practice. And i can give you all the reasons why i don't think they should be. I'm not saying everybody. Because what is the average. Dentist run on overhead in this country. Seventy seventy percents hundred. That's that's be books jay. That's where was and that's before the pay themselves So in other words they're taking home thirty percent of the practices production collections. I should say now. I believe the dentist should be an employee of the practice making thirty percent of their own production collections. And then you should measure your business as the percentage of gives you as a business owner. Yup if you really take it. At at seventy percent overhead the average dentist is getting paid about eight percent by five eight percent as business owner after the south of the thirty percent. And there's no reason to take that kind of that kind of workload on in that kind of debt situation. That's a risk for five to eight percent return. It makes no logical sense whatsoever when you can go into an office and then produce and get thirty percent of what you collect an ascending where you just walk in walk out and make it work and probably have a better support structure in the better infrastructure to be able to make make a better production in your in your what you're talking about. There is having some kind of like one of the better. Dso's managed the the the business side of it. You are the producer and you're getting paid for your dental associate. maybe everyday so as a different business model. some just. You've worked with them. Some you work under the business structure. I don't wanna use the wrong words or some. You have a potential for ownership. But i what i'm telling you is in what i've seen with people in the more people that opened up to talk to me is most of them are making less as a practice owner than they could work as an associate in office. It's very true. I think there's i think there's a lot to them. I think you might be right. So if you're a good dentist by good dentists. I mean conscientious. Good producing works hard. You not willing to work relatively reasonably hard. I should say. And you're making less than a quarter million. You're better off in a associate position. I think to there's it all depends on how how you approach your business to for for me for the dental business allows allows me to fully fund 401k or do things like that and also to look at the real estate portion of it if i wanted to to to dabble in real estate and be able to have some lease space. I could get a more favorable loan by buying a building and having putting my dental practice in half of it and then leasing out the rest and that's kind of jumping pad For other stuff gave you that option who have how would they give me that for the real estate. I guess it's us names and things but they do. They probably pay you rent your doctor. They give you option to buy into their overall. We live state structure. Oh interesting okay. Jason is is aptly available available in and see i. It is unbelievable. Appealing to me. That i could go into a structure like that and really focus on doing dentistry. And then making more. If i made more than would allow me to fund my fourth one gay or not necessarily have to fund my 401k. So much is that a is that a wreath that they're doing is i. Don't i don't know the technical structures all those things which you have options and some of the organizations to be involved in practice ownership real estate ownership and multiple office on ships. I mean every every dear so is set up a little bit different men that are going to start around. Dso and it's going to be founded on passive aggressive behavior infarct jokes. Let's think about this way. Also i had this conversation with alan mobile earlier by a messaging is is. Let's let's take a relatively well. Doing dentist say they've producing seven. Seventy eight hundred thousand dollars. Let's call him allen. Let's say let's say allen and then if you don't mind that can use you as an example. I'm just teasing. Throw those numbers up there. That works okay. But let's say let's say a dentist seven fifty. Okay and let's say they're taking home thirty percent of that then music and about two hundred grand bring grand decay. I would say in that. Let's say the dentist says i'm all about lifestyle and there's nothing wrong with that. I wish i had that quality of me sometimes Lifestyle and they see you know when you when you say lifestyle. It's not necessarily expensive cars in winds time off and adis so upset of lifestyle. Let's say they'll live live normally young dr normal cars and they and just live a good life enjoy life so in that got the perfect. Okay keep going. So that person's making tuna quarter which is a lot of money okay. I'm not going to say it's not a lot of money. I would say but that person wants to coast the rest of their career. The forty five. Let's the let's say the forty five ish again. So that means on average retirement. Say sixty five. That's twenty years. I would say you have to doubling cycles. Levy money again so i would tell that person that if that's the mindset you have you should sell your business today he should sell your practice today because what you would get that seven hundred fifty thousand dollars practices probably half a million dollars a half million dollars. There's way to structure for the taxes and things like that but let's just live in a perfect world here The no taxes. That half a million dollars will double in the again. It'll turn two million dollars and that person that's gonna coast their practice for the next twenty years won't take that seven fifty practice and maybe they'll be eight hundred eight hundred eight fifty the incentive five hundred thousand dollars sale a five fifty thousand dollars sale. So they've only gained fifty thousand dollars in that money when here. I can take that five hundred today. Lump sum cash in. Turn it into two million over the next twenty years and continued to work within that practice. If that's an option as an associate essentially making two hundred thousand dollars a year. Not do that i mean. It's it's very appealing the assumption. There is that there's an organization that wants to buy that practice and are antigen. Yeah a chance for sure. There's there's a bunch that are that. Are that advertise for that sort of thing so assuming that that were the case. That is a very appealing a very appealing deal. Then you don't have the headaches of managing people headaches bs and then you could just pop into work eight pop leave at five o'clock maybe work four last five days a week. Whatever whatever you're working and and and be done and you've essentially fully funded your retirement if you can live a lifestyle on on that you done. So that's that's one way. That's one way if a person is more lifestyle. They've got a they've got a maybe a plateauing practice that produces well but not amazingly have a company that can come in here that can run at little leaner little meaner. You can be the producer and be paid as a producer. You don't have to worry about the business aspects and you you get a little chunk of change that'll grow while you're still practicing. I you know it sounds like a dream come true. But here's the problem with me for in dentistry. His most of us me not included is our too egotistical against dsl does that we would never consider that when it makes all the financial sense in the woman Now i know there's there's definitely Just even mentioning it in in certain company and there's just this bristling of dsl against right. I mean that's that's everyone's heard that of course and and see i. I have nothing wrong with you. Says i think they're they're serving the need that we're not as private. Practitioners are not providing. I mean at the end the day if you think of all our friends at private practitioner almost all our friends in private practice in what percentage of them on a have associates. Not as many as they used to and not maybe ten percent. Yeah so it's what graduate and five thousand dentists a year there the debt ridden and and we're telling you that half of them don't want to own the practice that is certainly not within the first three or four or five years the where the hell of these people don't work if we the private practitioners aren't creating jobs with these five thousand graduating dentists. Where the hell else are they gonna go. They're going to go to this. Dsl organizations and they're gonna go then. That's okay so to me if you're anti dsl than do something about that case if you are b be that way for the right reason and to be honest and a lot of cases. There's not a great reason because they're managing better than the autonomy. Certain degree is gone. I understand some of those things and and but at the end of the day you you really don't have otani thing you want to me in my practice by practices run by by patients. What they want what they need by my insurance companies one. I'm allowed to do what. I'm allowed to charge me. Where's the autonomy and a business as is do you think a lot of that. Egos keeping people from from grouping together and if save a lot of people would make more money if they group together with five other dentists and then then sold their practice they will get more were on their multiples for their for their album. Together negotiate with insurance companies negotiate with supplies negotiate with labs all. I really don't wanna go down this road. But that's what organized dentistry should be doing Not i laugh. Because i agree. That part of me is like that deal. Sounds great but then the other part of me goes. Yeah but i'm a rugged individualist and look what i've created here. You know what. I'm saying like there's great greatest something. You should sell it. Now take the money but you. Dentists are kind of famous for that. Don't you think where they kind of they kind of feel like you know. This is my thing you know too. If you look at all the entrepreneur's these days it's like groups of four and five ten people like getting together and doing this and that companies build off a multiple right off the bat your dentist. It's all a one person. Show right from the start and just well reminded have a hard time with associate ships and partnerships. I mean they they they literally. I mean we have kind of a bad track record with those breaking up poorly. I mean even you know what i'm saying. That's the other thing. I think i think dentists are weird group. That way i think is is. I have a feeling responsibility in my office. If any if it hits the fan that it's gonna come down my head. Yeah it's it's not always an ego thing and there's no cushion to protect a lack of hair there. Now that you mention my butter on my head referring. I've never looked at it so we see to me. Listen when you hit that million dollar mark gate in the few not gonna be committed to growing your practice. Ten percent a year you should sell. That's my opinion again now. I'm not saying that you will grow ten percent. I'm saying committed to doing those things committed actually committed in having a plan like having a plan that you're trying to execute. Yeah of course committed means to me means having a plan an attempt to execute. Sometimes you'll fall on your face. Sometimes you do twenty percents and you do negative percent twenty percent. Can i take a year off. Possibly it might not be you get back. Because i mean people look at me sometimes my friends or colleagues and say why are you so hell bent on growing growing the might as well move on but clearly. We've come up with the idea that that's not such a horrible thing either. Actually some saying it's not but but it's a and maybe that's in the future me who knows but you know i'm just saying that if my whole point is if you're not committed to working in growing your practice salomon work for somebody else. Who is committed to growing practice. Do you know who you over to your to your team members. Yeah so they said they have upward movement. Yeah that's fair that's fair. I mean your team members more if you're not producing movies all you're doing is taken out of your pocket. That's exactly that's not fair yourself. Tell it's all their fault still but we just hired a new person at the front god you officer organised chaos in the year. We gotta fix this funny. If she said she said you're officer organizing. You think it's chaos. Just imagine where she came from. And that's what you're saying about. I was like oh. My god like what we are. So disorganized mean like unbelievably disorganized. She says the guy who used to work for in saginaw holy from seconds just messing with all right. So i had another question for a t-ball so you you're talking about real estate and i know you own a building. It's a building that's split into two offices right. your wife's office is also in it. Is that correct. That's correct is that is it. Just the two officers or are there more. Well it's just we between us. We have that we occupied are ten thousand square foot building. Okay okay so that's okay. So where i really going with. This is okay. So you own that building with your wife and your wife's business and you guys are the are a to dr family if you will husband and wife both have their own practices their careers in a lot of. Dentists are married to either dentists or doctors dentists. She's a psychiatrist exactly. So i'm just curious because i think a lot of listeners where they've married someone from dental school or or someone that they met in dental school those in medical schools a physician. So you've got like the the husband and wife. Dr team and i'm thinking to myself a lot of times have been man. It'd be great if i another dentist. The income would have you know. Basically we could have lived on well. That's what i want you first off. Jefferson is married to a dental hygienist in. I am married to a stay at home mom so we have three different situations here. And i'm just curious about from your standpoint t-bone the pros and cons of that. I think lot of the listeners might enjoy like what. What are the upsides that you've found from it. Well let me back up for a second. So when we bought my bought the building my wife wasn't finished residency at the time. So we bought our building just with me. I mean it was just me. Buying the buildings and for five years carried it by myself. Okay so But the the pluses and minuses to number one she works she aches incomes. So that that's certainly allows me to more risks today than i used to be able to take It's funny. I'm i'm less risky now than i was. I had nothing. It's interesting how that works beyond Certainly but the negatives are you know we. We both work. We both work fulltime so we have to have help to be able to do that and that helps us money. Help or that that lifestyle that we're able to afford in that through our work also has a sacrifices on our families So you know from our kids you and you have three kids greg. With a ten year olds eight year old six year. Okay wow see right in the thick of it to. I don't get to see my kids as often. I'm because we're working and we're doing things like this and i'm busy in many other things that were in walden And same with my wife. She's working when you own your own practice on your own business. You work you work as an employee from eight to five and then you work as business again and and certainly my wife is a fortunate that she oh. I'm able to help paradigm fortunate. She's able to help me when i'm out But you know that. I don't i it's I wouldn't call the pluses and minus. I think where ford more financial freedom than than maybe most but I would say that's about it. Will you really. I mean honestly. I think about it. Okay so my wife's a stay at home mom and that's not quite one hundred percent true because we have a horse boarding farm and she runs that a lot now that both my kids are school age you know. She spends a lot more time doing farm stuff in in which is fine. It's that's a business. The probably not i can't i can't imagine less profitable business but it's passion and so but she's she is a stay at home mom she's eighteen doesn't allow her to go out and go shopping. There's there's a certain amount of horse that she has to shovel and that keeps her. Yeah exactly but i mean she's she's there for the kids when they need school stuff for to take him to school. Pick him up. And she's really available in japan prior to my youngest going to kindergarten. This year he was home with her at least part of the two so so it was really family wise. We benefited greatly from the fact that that she was stay at home and she. She didn't have a job in the same way. That like your wife does so then. The question is you know cow. What's the ballots now. That their kids are in school. They're affords her more time to do other stuff. And i mean so depending on the age of the kids. it really doesn't affect them as much when they're in school anyhow like do you guys do you. Guys have an anti or a or two almost two full time. People that work with us at home. Okay live in nanny and then we have a person that does other stuff for us but and people all my god. It must be nice. And i'm like well we have no choice. It's really truly it's one or the other. I what the hell was supposed to do. Let our kids is. I told jason. I said you know if you leave water and sandwiches. They'll probably be alright. No somebody has to take the kids to school. Because i go to work at six thirty in the morning. Yeah and some guests to pick them up because we're both work until five o'clock. My kids participated in activities. Now in my wife does a to a certain degree. We've been afforded the opportunity now because we built businesses to practices that we can't she can work less. May i could work last. I just choose not to So she can do some after school stuff with the kids but you Somebody's gotta do it. Then we gotta clean my socks and my bosses and stuff like aptx mean you. Don't just throw them out. No i tried that but yeah is you just hire somebody so okay. So when is your best family time. Is it just after work or weekends or do i mean you take a lot of vacations to make sure you get because i i will say the one thing you can. I get a lot of face time with my kids because you know like i said she stayed home until i come home from school. And they're right there and we're so it's great for me in that way and i just think about if i don't know how you do it with with two people working fulltime schedule as healthcare providers. So we get time on some weekends again. i'm. I'm not a great example of this. But i'm gone a lot on the weekends. Them teaching or or speaking twenty twenty eight weekends twenty eight to thirty days a year so that those are gone So i'm but i'm a workaholic. So but what. My wife has made us do this as a benefit. I guess of having dual income but then the negatives of our lifestyle is we have the only way we can take vacations as we have to leave out So like we'll take four nice trips a year four to five nice trips away away away means away. Yeah like a way. This year's mexico africa. We're going to florida tomorrow on good for you. So but that's the only choice. I mean otherwise. I will sit at a. I'll go to the office or otherwise. I'll have i got this thing to do that. Thing to do. And the only way we really spend true quality time with the kids at least for me is is that we have to go out. I'm not saying. I'm not saying that's a good thing. It's terribly embarrassing to say that. But it's i don't know how to fix that to be honest with you. It's not the driven by money. Because i'm not a just driven by growth. I'm driven by being driven. I mean that's but it's it's an interesting. It's an interesting statement because we were sort of sort of defining the the lifestyle person or the person who really and that is you. You're saying it and it makes sense. You almost have to to make that choice because it is easy to fall into the pattern of. If i'm here. I should be working. You know. I've got work to be done and i could be doing it whereas yo you have to go out of your way for the lifestyle choices in your case you you have to leave. I mean we make money but we spend it because honestly we'll spend on average and sixty to eighty thousand lows year on vacations I mean so it's it's not cheap to do some of those things but that's that's our time that we get those those those four times a year that i take a weekend the week do we have off that we'd go away. I mean that's that's the time of the kids that's what they remember. And that's i would at least be dedicated to that time. Jason how are you. How are you fallen into this. Be because you are. Busy is all between working the existing practices. And in what you're having to go through for the new practice how you feel like a personal time in lifestyle i am. It's definitely definitely on the short end of the stick working hour and a half away from my house mean. I have have about a three hour commute every day and then come home and then trying to get all the other stuff going burnaby candle at both ends. Yeah yeah but hopefully. Hopefully it'll pay off at some time in the future. So yeah definitely looking back. Golden carried out there some dangling. Yeah i mean. I think probably i'm not gonna say i manage my time particularly well but the hobby the the thing that i do the most of podcasting and frankly it's it's after the boys go to bed for the most part i i can plan it around that so i have a little bit. Maybe maybe a. Little slightly less hectic. I don't know it's it's not easy. It's not it's not easy at all and it's so how'd you meet. Your wife counted did she. What's that really. Yeah and you're already already graduated from dental school when you had just graduated from okay. Was she in medical school at that was she's her third second or third year medical. Okay so i mean you you you kinda went into this knowing that it was gonna be. You're you're gonna have a couple of careers to deal with anyhow. I don't try to say this over district but it was important to me to have some that worked because i believe in that And then it was very important to me that that That as a physician dentist she practices are trade. I mean i didn't want her. My wife could choose not to work. I mean luckily you know that. But i don't think that'd be fair to her for me to ask her to do that or encourage her to that. I think she should do what she wants to do. So that luckily food for me that has worked so Well i mean when she she's trained and she's trained in something very specialized and very. Potentially you know that's that's a serious career. So she's got that. I mean it's great scott that option i just i i never i never I have a lot of friends who honestly have a lot of friends who met their spouse in dental school. You know and so. And so. And i always wondered how they balance that actually to be honest In was listening this who has great source. Because i'm sure they're armed their listeners. And go my god. I've been married to a dentist forever. And it's insane or whatever just emails that info dental hacks dot com. I'd like to hear like to hear how people handle relationships with other or lawyers. Got if you're married to a lawyer love to hear that people are crazy. Actually i met my wife in my office. So that's i get the get the wag of the finger. But yeah i'm i'm i'm looking at you in stern way right now. Jason people opening practices versus businesses. Do do you guys think that people understand the difference. Even give about the difference between the two. Well i think most people who are trained as dentists. Look at it as i'm going to open dental practice because that's what i went to school for or at least honestly you know what my generation of people like that. I think you're making a really good point though. I don't think that splitting hairs. I think that's a really because my question is this that i've always. I always bust jason about to do. Dentists need to be entrepreneurs. Do they need to be business. Owners do they need you know. Is that how important is that. And i i. I struggle with that a little bit. So if you're if you're starting out scratch which is okay. Here's t-bone t-bone is going back in time. He's like a senior. He just graduated from dental school. He's got about three hundred thousand dollars in debt in In you but but he has. He knows what you know now. So what would you do. What's what's your what are you looking for at that point. Are you look into her trying to open a business. Are you trying to an assuming that your clinical skills are that of a new grad as well. What what would you do i would. I would be torn between opening my own place because it's worked out well for me. So why would i want to do something different or joining idea so that would give me the opportunity for worship ownership control. My destiny is a non-negotiable to me. So i want to have something to allow me to to own my destiny. Do you feel like a scratch. Dart is an option for someone who's got that kind of debt. Yeah why not. I just wondered. I legitimate option. It's more it's more about can you. Do you think you think it's pretty safe to say people can get the money for that. There's no question they can get the money interest. The i would the money. It's it's to be hard to get the money you're going to have to prove i'm i'm going through it right now. You're going to have to prove some viability with it. They're you they're not gonna readily just give you money. Just willy nilly just say. Hey i'm fresh out of school dennis z. Said as much of the same thing to he he worked for a while and a clinic to prove that he had some some skills before they were comfortable signing off on that. But i don't think it's insurmountable. But i think that's the reality is. That's a lot of debt and you haven't proved that you can produce it yet and once once again i mean like i said you're going to have to get out of school and you're going to have to work somewhere to prove that you've got some say you're probably going to have to have to work for corporate environment are larger thing to just to get an even if you wanna get in there and have enough have enough production where it's you can prove that you can do it. You're probably going to have to work in the larger practice to really say. Hey i can produce six hundred thousand dollars a year if you go into a smaller practice. You're probably not gonna be able to hit those numbers and you're not gonna be able to present that to the bank later on very very very good point like he like a mentorship relationship where you're starting out slow and learning from learning from the. You're not gonna have the numbers to prove bank that you can do that yet did you. Go to bank. Saying i'm gonna need say for a startup. We were looking at getting going. You're going to need almost a million dollars to get this. Get this start up going. They're gonna look at you if you're producing two hundred thousand dollars and say never and and really to to a to a scratch start up you're gonna lead need at least four hundred to four hundred fifty thousand dollars to get a build out to equipment everything going and that just that just gets you in the door. I mean you really have to plan that out before you even start thinking about that. I don't think hundred grand does anything for you anymore. Yay barely get you in the door with with quipped a couple of rooms. But i i gotta say it depends on where you're talking about because four hundred grand would get you quite a bit in my area compared to compared to where you are checked. I mean four hundred four hundred grand front door for you. And i will say to. we did. We did build office several years ago in two thousand twelve and contractors. Were just jumping over each other trying to get to you because it was was a bad time for that sure there was much cheaper but now things are much better the the prices have gone way up so it also depends on availability of everything out there too. Sure sure. i think i would without question still bill. I think i'd still build an office or or really strongly. Consider joining the right. Dsl really struggling. Consider joining the right deals. Okay i don't want to use names. But what's what. What are the characteristics of the right. The s for you allow to have over ship Uses technology based in when you say allow me to have ownership typically. That's an option to buy in after a certain amount of time is what i'm assuming. Typically they don't let you bein. Right off the bat. Do they can't imagine what you buy right off now. It's but it's typically as it's offered up as an option after x. amount of time like that. yeah exactly and i would say Ownership to me would be allowed to buy in. I can't imagine they'd give you fifty or fifty one percent but allow me to buy at least forty five forty five forty nine percents of of and the dsl. You're talking about the management portion of it not the not the ms over the men or the actual clinical portion of it or is there is there some distinction out. Some people might not really know what the to. I would want to have an ownership in the business part of it. Okay i mean not in not in the overall dsl but the business part of my of the practice itself the office the individual so let's see 'cause heartland unknowns a whole bunch of different offices in but you want you're talking about you wanna have the percentage in in the office that you're working in at that point yes in the in the percentage of to me because i want to be able to control what i can control So i mean. I can't control what i can control. So why would i want. I don't wanna ownership in something that i can't control okay. So we'll go ahead and there's office here that's locally that that's a I don't know how they're how they're structured but it's a group practice and a lot of the doctors vote on different things and they have different portions of ownership and some of the doctors say that they can't get anything done because each of them have such a small percentage of everything so they can't control as having control is a good thing so like what you're saying you need to have control of it or else you're you're going to get lost in the mix too exactly so i mean i would wanna have ownership. I'd want them to have some semblance of technology. Not be a medicaid driven office like that. I'd want them to have the ability to allow me to do procedures beyond fillings crowns. And things like that. I would want to be able to do that. i'm clearly. There's some that really. I mean that are really heavy on that friends pacific. I think pretty much. Every practice has a sarah. I think they're they're kind of a. They're kind of afford thinking Right so it's a lot of times. Dso's get sort of a a label hung on them as being mills. You know mills where you get just new grads coming in cranking out as much you know chintzy dentistry is possible and but i don't think that's accurate for home. You're gonna have to do some looking though. That's that's the story gotta figure out which ones which ones are fit the bill if you will yeah absolutely. I mean you've got to do that. So rumor has it. The dental podcasts is going to have a chance to talk with. Dr rick workman from heartland. T-bone what would you. What would you have us. Ask him when you can. Just i know rick. I've met a few times. I would say that. I would ask him how their ownership model works in. There's an update for dentist own Basically that's pretty much the only thing that would matter. Because i know that we're well enough to know that they they do give the dentist. Lot of freedom in terms of skills The other thing. I think that not a good idea. So they provide training. I mean unfortunately. Most of our dentists are not. They're not doing enough. The not doing enough see and they should all be land. Stemmer men and goes see three towns week we can't be lance now they can't all be lance but You know i certainly i don't. I'm interested to because a lot of a lot of the bs that excuse me. I'm familiar with actually do a lot of in house training or they train they train kind of as a group or a team and that sort of an interesting way to go about it. I think Our own brain. Trust member tamie. Bailey is a heartland dennis and they do a lot of. They do a lot of training together. that way. exactly. I mean and and that's what i'm saying is is they give you the opportunity to take a tremendous amount of see tremendous people like pacific heartland. Those are the two big ones that come to my mind. I'm sure the other great ones out there as well. But those to come to my mind in the sense that you know they. They've got it. Got it out to a certain degree. They give the option to have grasped with unlimited potential income. I i don't know about hartland in the ownership model but there's an ownership model exists there the ability to have some you know some long term equity in there and You know. I just look at it as a good option and the dental. Xp guys who have looked up with. Harland's i mean they're. They're pretty pretty renowned for dental education. Exactly and you know. I it just to me makes all the sense in the world. If you're not going to grow your practice take money now. All of the world are kind of wish. You hadn't said that. I kind of wish you hadn't spell it out for me because now now you've got me thinking just like jason jason little pissed that you guys talked a lot about sleep. Dentistry online says podcast. Because now he's thinking about it again. Why what you should do. Let's get into that. What what would. What think about did we did. We did twelve appliances this month. We never we never could. We never could get a system going where we file for. Insurance and part of it was part of his own ignorance. I didn't. I didn't wear where to didn't know where to go. You had you had several systems that are selling a lot of expensive stuff and kind of got burned on that. And you don't know where to go. It's it's so here's the good news. We'll have some trading for that later on this year on on the system in my goal isn't to try to sell you on anything. But i just think there's too much opportunity. This gonna get me on my soapbox. I think this is gonna sound crazy. I think dentists should stop. Doing fillings crowns. When i was when we were diagnosing it. I saw once my eyes were open. I saw it all over the place. It was just like holy crap. I think i think that's true but tell me more about this. Stop doing feelings and ground. Okay so okay so this goes back to my growth model. So i'll let let let let me. I'm gonna say this and i don't move really mean this but let's say you don't wanna say care to grow your practice. Let's i wanna stay stagnant. That's where you wanna stay steady. Let's now say stangeland. Some bad were decades. Maybe a little little judgmental yes. Let's say you wanna say snotty okay and part of the reason that you probably want to stay steady to certain degrees that you like to do to make more. I am going to have to work more true okay. Because i'm not do more feelings. I lifted more crowns that more hours more patients. More all those things correct and and the reason that is because fillings only pay x. dollars crowns pay x. dollars in the ceiling on that day. So now what i'm saying is i'm growing my practice of me my me personally within my practice and i'm taking eight weeks off a year now again. I'm working three days a week in terms of in the practice and producing more than i produce before. Because i'm i haven't stopped doing fillings crowns. But we're moving towards stopping. Doing fillings crowns. And we're focusing on doing things that produce at least what a crown does in less than a half an hour but what about. What about the people that need fillings and crowns the great. I'll hiring associate. Oh i see okay. Is you just saying so. You're saying that the owner the business owner in the person is gonna is gonna take that stuff. This is a whole cycle to me. Because most people if i said new allen guinness osceola. I'm not busy enough. I don't have great. We stop doing pros. How am i gonna pay myself. Stop doing crowns it because when you say yes to fillings. That means you're saying no to crowns when you say yes to crowns. That means you're saying no to something more valuable. Here's here's the. I'm just gonna step bringing our doctors and we also have to do with the patients need so just putting that aside. Let's go with your model. I mean the bottom is not you know what i'm saying. Just i don't know what you're saying. Well patients need these things. Your patients don't need sleep apnea treatment. They don't need implant of north and they do. But what i'm saying is you can't as as a business owner. You can't just say well these. These people don't need fillings crowns. Well you got to make it up. Okay that's all listeners. Understand the thank your feelings. Yeah i completely get what you're saying the enough a cambio thing you're saying the the basic operative is going to be handled by someone else because you're training to do proceed higher production value. Yes absolutely. Because i've been a. We have a finite him people. I can't get dentist most dentists on the standards the most expensive overhead. You have in your practices time. You're not staff it's not marketing not all that other stuff. It is time time time time. Okay and when. I'm selling time on an hourly basis because that's one of the ways we measure how we do is on an hourly basis. What is what is my goal. What is the lawyers go. What is your goal. Their goal is to produce char bill charge more per hour And unfortunately and i use you as an example. I don't know your numbers. I'm just saying these things are hourly rate is probably the same today. As it was five years ago. We pretty close. Yeah and you tell me what in what other business a. what other profession is that acceptable. Dead silence snow. Just trying to think i mean by. I don't know that i see what you're saying. You're your point is to get the get the what you're doing more productive. I mean do more productive things let someone else do the last one. I believe and i really believe this. Okay because i'm seeing it in my own practice. I believe that the average practice in this country can do a hundred and fifty thousand dollars more. And i really don't want listeners to think i'm all about the money because money is about freedom to me. That's all again it's not about. I want more things mean. I don't need any more things to me. Money is about freedom freedom for time. Okay but the average practice in this country can do one hundred and fifty thousand dollars more in production and collections. A year by not seeing a single additional patient than they're already seeing in the practice And we're not tapping into that potential and that's what drives me absolutely nuts. I would say look we know one out of fifteen adults suffers from sleep apnea so how many patients walk through your practice. A day jason today. Let's say twenty five okay so two people a day a walk by statistics game. Don't tell me living in skinny land. Okay you don't live in skinny land okay. You live in. Virginia people fat so one to two people a day walk the practice who have sleep apnea why are you and how many appliances are you doing you tell them we. We can't get a twenty ten percent case acceptance if you've got ten percent case acceptance you if you have a five day workweek. You're seeing ten patients a week. If you got ten percent that means you should be doing a month a week for a month. If you you should be doing by numbered by ten percent case acceptance you should we do four sleep apnea appliances a month and that alone would be on average eight thousand dollars in production. That's one hundred grand a year. And i'm not even asking you to see one additional patient. I'm not asking you to market all zero marketing. I'm just saying treat the patients that are coming in your door by having the tools that they but by having the skill set to treat them feelings in the problem is is you so damn busy doing. Mo that you can't take two men stone you hijack look down their throat busy trying to get back to that you jason. I'm just saying generally speaking. i know i get it. I get it. I hear you loud and clear but i'm just saying okay. So here's the thing. Though this is this is sort of a can of worms that i'm not super trained on. Cut me a little slack. But you know dentist don't really treat sleep apnea loan right so you have to have you have to be able to have a diagnosing sleep apnea opposition sleep study and all that stuff party diagnose so the bottom line is you really have to build that system in with with You know it's a. It's a multidisciplinary deal is what i'm saying. Yes both i. I would say the vast majority of the. Here's what i would say if we okay so using that logic will just never start okay. But what i'm saying to you. If you go down the road and you actually so my next question would be is. What percentage of our listeners and you guys included. Ask your patients on the health history. Have they ever been tested with for sleep test. I mean not a lot not a lot but it is worth mentioning. Land landed started out. Land started out advertising for people that had a c-pap and does use it. That's the story. That's that's where you start. Yeah but i'm saying if you ask patients it's amazing how many patients had asleep study. Actually probably a lot a lot. Yeah a lot of had already had a sleep study so they've already had a sleep. Study you don. it's good. You could use a copy of the sleep study interesting so so you're just you're saying sleep sleep apnea is where it's heading in in some in some aspects that i it's one avenue with in your practice that's also potentially super beneficial for the patient to the name of the game. Is that but for you got admit for a couple years ago sleep apnea was like the new province center in your office. It is but it's but it's also like oh and by the way your patients are bragging live longer and and frankly you may be doing more good with you know a sleep apnea appliance than every root canal. You've ever done kind of thing because like you're you're potentially you know you're never that ended on his. Pretend i didn't say that but no i really i really actually. You have said it better than anyone else's said. I think that there's there's it's a win win in a lot of cases and i honestly i'm uninterested in this stuff however the emmett see. Here's what i say is is we see. It's like this whole medical billing thing when people say oh medical billing that work because you just didn't try nicely you you just didn't do it right and i would say to you that we do medical billing unbelievably well on basic procedures in the fence. We don't do very well at because it's too complicated me. I don't wanna use the word too complicated. That's more involved sure get paid on the fanciest stuff you're again on exams like for example in north carolina okay. I get paid for a new patient. Comprehensive exam head neck oral facial exam through medical we get paid one hundred eighty dollars dental paid like fifty dollars sherman interesting so you tell me. Why are more people not use utilize medical bulletin services. I'm a fancy implant. I don't do surgery but alan you see new patients. Don't you see you do example in. Your patient is doodoo exams on new patients. It's true even even existing patients you ever see patients more than twice a year. Now they're exam frequencies met yes. I'm trying to pick a new. I just don't know no no. It's interesting i just again. Not anything. I've ever really looked into. I didn't i didn't see the to me. The key is is all those two things alone. I just talked about decay medical billing and sleep apnea treatment decay. I'm not even asking you. Add one more patient you practice not one a melting market more not seeing See new patients. I'm not saying see more patients. I'm saying just get paid for the patients. You're seeing by providing the services that they are in need That's even better than diagnosing crowns. For god's sakes argue that nobody needs a crowd they all need to lose whatever you know just. These patients are walking in and out of our door every day untreated. And what i'm telling you. Is i in the sleep apnea. At least there's significant medical benefits for it to help the patient so they can have less out of pocket because money plays financial role for our patients engaged when something can be less expensive a few hundred dollars out of pocket. It's better than having to pay two grand amid a so. There's a lot of moving parts to this. But what i'm seeing. Our own practice is tremendous tremendous tremendous result. Just two things. And that's why. I can truly say that in two thousand seventeen not next year but two thousand seventeen. I will probably not be doing feelings anymore interesting so i a couple more questions. When wrap it up. We've been going for the well so you mentioned hopefully later this year you're going to have some training on either medical billing or sleep apnea both medical billing already. We're going to be worked with aaron elliott and doing doing some training there. Okay okay interesting. So let's let's follow up with you later. This this year will will promote some of that. We can't fill someone. I guarantee you dude. If i'm thinking about it. A- guarantee you that listeners are thinking about it slowly. that's really cool. T-bone there'd be there'd be a fun way to come on and to talk about it and more digital it's not about to me thought about. Hey come take class classless. And if you too cheap and don't want to take the class. I'll be happy to talk about on on a on a webinar. It isn't it isn't even you. You know what cool about it. Though is that i think a lot of people haven't thought about it the way that you presented it in the last twenty minutes. I definitely have not. I started when i was listening to you talking to landside about and jason said something funny about it earlier and so i like how you presented is is definitely like you're not really this adding something crazy new. This is already seeing patients. You've already are the patients like you said a lot of murari being treated in not not effectively guys out there that have that have started and tried to do it and couldn't get hold in it and kind of left behind. I started sleeping a few years ago. We did good and then went by the wayside. But things happen. And that's why to me. You gotta constantly re energize reinvigorate take education even as as an senior leader myself. I need to take my seat to make sure that i'm up speed. But here's my problem with a lot of lot of the educators out there and there's a lot of the my friends but some of them don't own practices they wanna tell you to create a practice that solely based like you should create a sleep apnea practice. Okay so listen literally. One percent of dentists can do that again literally. One percent of dentists can create a private grids true. So i'm not asking anybody to do anything such a thing. I'm saying you need to you. Need to have sixty seventy percent of your practice general dentistry. Okay and then you need to add on the services so that way you can transition yourself as the practice owner out of the quote unquote general dentistry and allow you to bring in associated. Now you go from having the practice to having a business and being able to take six seven eight nine ten weeks off a year in work a little bit less. Make the same income and do genesee. That's a little bit more enjoyable totally totally but if people want more information all they have to do about anything i do my newsletter blog. Post all have to do is text dental hacks to four four. Two two two. And then it'll ask you for your email address and you can subscribe to our email newsletter and will send you all mind rantings and ravings nice. That's awesome so four four to just text dental heck's to that number nice guy he comes with his own comes on text number and everything then. Why not you know we. We got a running business here right trying to. What else do you want to talk about. What else it won't make it into now. I'll tell you what. I did want to ask one more thing what do you. What's your what's happening for twenty sixteen. What's what's on the near horizon. T-bone me well. I'm like what classes are you gonna take. What kind of. I know you're going on a cruise in february and going on a star wars in february which literally fun. We plan on planning on going to thailand next year as well. We haven't booked that trip and then in terms of seeing i'm gonna take some more sleep related. See this year on wanting to a working on trying to take some. Iv sedation training The problem with iv sedation. Training for me. Is that three or four weekends. Need to find somebody. That'll just do it one one week half weeks. Great yeah so. I don't take weekends off. He might be interested to hear about that. Isn't there one up in in pennsylvania. The i can't think of the thing is there's a university based one that i was trying to think of even be willing to pay somebody. Just come to my office and hang out with me for a week to teach me everything i need to know again. Let me know about that. I'm not even kidding. it is. It's like the weekend thing. okay. So i learned please. Implants last year with four weekend courses and then went to the dominican republic. So much time away that so much. It's a lot of travel like like two days at a time. In plus then i got basically a day on each agenda that for travel. You're like man take to get there pretty much. actually we have direct flights to chicago so saginaw. It's big town down big time. That's pretty much it. My goal is. I've committed to only going on the road. Only i say only eighteen times next year augie backing speaking and then we're going to do ten programs in the office next year so You know that that's that's a down for me a sad sad as that is But that's the main goal. But by i'm focusing a little bit more my practice. I really am really I'm working towards personally a not doing fillings. In two thousand seventeen and i'm also trying twin with the idea of my practice staying as a ppo provider but me personally not being ppo provider interesting. Okay with the and the other thing. I'm toying with that. I think we're actually going to try his. I you know. I've talked about payment plans before. I'm i'm actually considering going to the payment plans and and making it so that if a patient chooses our payment plan option in office payment plans. They have to finance the entire amount. Not just not just the patient worship but the entire amount toying with that idea as well liked just trying to china to spice it up a little bit. He would also has happening man. That's good. that's really good stuff. We've been going for an hour. So i think this is good. I appreciate your your year end t-bone contribution in wasn't mean to you guys know no you've been much meaner in the past year tonight actually. I'm a little pissed that you actually make me think about sleep apnea. That's i'll go is created disruption. Dammit but thanks again for being on. You're always you're always a big a big hit with listeners. And listeners you have any questions or comments for t. bone info at dental hacks dot com. We'll make sure to get that to him in You know. I kinda doubt were and you'll be on the show again during the year always are so hopefully one day. I'll start my own podcast dammit. Yes we'll entrust me. Well we'll get that right out there. Quick we were still working on him for that. So because the world needs more t-bone that's what it is. They don't my wife will tell you the dome.

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718: Plan Your Escape

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

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718: Plan Your Escape

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Back To School - Hash It Out

The Bancroft Brothers Animation Podcast

57:51 min | 10 months ago

Back To School - Hash It Out

"Hey everybody. Welcome back to the BANCROFT brothers animation podcast. Yeah. Tony. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it has been a summer hasn't it here? We are saying has still in Cova inland we are still social distancing but Tony we we started social distancing 'cause I live in and you live in California podcasts is always all very safe. We're very safe very covid. It's safe podcast excelled. Yes organic. I don't know but we've been doing this. It's easy. I, mean an, of course, his animators were digital. Used to working remotely with all of our clients and stuff. So Yeah. Man. This covid thing was just like, oh, nothing changed except for. US. I used to get in the car a lot more though and drive to school or drive to the office or you know and I don't have that and I'm Kinda. bummed. But thinking the the summertime version of my schedule is radically different because not driving into school but. Anyway I do get more done though I gonna say that's something I've noticed 'cause because I don't have that drive time. Don't have that you know Chitchat at the at the time which which I do Kinda miss but I do find myself constantly working more which has its pros and cons for sure and I've been analyzing this month route something I've learned about Covid I think. is so this is generally the US I'm not necessarily saying this is the world, but the US anyway I feel like there's a categories of people now. Okay. Here we go. Ready. Yeah, and there's more than this but I think everybody can fit one of these categories if not two of them and one is some of us are gonNA come out Kobe ever ends Lord Willing. And we're going to be thinner or we're GONNA be heavier. So that's one category, the uranium, one of those two groups. And I'm headed toward the the heavier unfortunately Hey, you doing there. I'm center that I've ever been people can't see right now they hire if defense tough Okay, I've definitely gained weight. Okay. Now they'll see you one day are as the first time. So that's the first time. The second type are the people that are either have more money than ever or less than ever, and this is the scary part because there's a lot of people. Are Yeah Right. There's yet the average well I don't know but I would say most of the people are in the second category they're making less than they ever have the lost their job in his drastically less horrible but I, will say There's that other category where they kept their job in now because not paying for gas not paying for a lot like they're not doing the family trip this summer, they have more money than they ever have in. That's been proven out by how many Amazon trips or you know the packages they're coming to people's houses in style. Yeah. You see it every day. A part of that is because they don't want to go to target. Things like that but part of it, is there any I don't know if this Tony because you're not, you're in California, you don't know anything about boats. But because out here in the south, we have a lot of lakes and rivers and water sports are very popular. during the summer. So people are out. That's the thing. A lot of people don't know unless you're in those areas but yes, there's there's a boom. Now for boats, you can't find him anywhere. You want to buy a boat worst CAPPER sue people are like they want a safe way of traveling. So by Campers and stuff, they're all there all keeping close I some I mean times tragedy. There's always people that suffer and there's is people that thrive and make money and Hey. A plexiglass or mask making company right. Now Oh yeah. Time of Tony you can have that on a I wanNA. Own Netflix. That's yeah. That's a good ambition to have I just went to the top. Okay. So the gold standard we get through this because now you've started something what's the third one third category? I said there were four categories. Far. Doing, well, you're doing horrible. You're are you you know you're thin or you're. Oh okay. I thought that was just Yet. Yeah. Boy I feel depressed. Now thank you guys for joining us on the PODCAST. I and let's we this podcast would not be possible without you as the fans I wanna take a moment just to thank you for listening to the podcast. We are in like one hundred and thirty seven podcast now, and it's been amazing. The kind of outpouring of support that we get. So thank you for listening to the podcast to Tom. Banter on about things about life. But mostly about animation were GEEKS RE professionals in the industry also besides being geeks and professional geeks. Annetta. This will be possible without our sponsors who love very much would like to thank stuart in books. Tom I just spent some time at Stewart. Ing over the weekend I did a book signing on Instagram. Did like alive a of the interior of Syrian kind of did. I like opened up the veil because so many times we talk about stewarding books as being the best place to go online it is stuart, N., G.. Books Dot. com, for all your creative book needs art books, things like that. But I took people behind the scenes by gone instagram live over the weekend and I showed everybody around all the aisles and stuff and it. Was a long video that I posted. So check it out on Papa Guy if you could find in a mask on it, that'll be dead giveaway but yeah, I had a great time. There was Stuart and we talked animation geeked out I. of course I went there to do a book signing form of the Arctic and they're doing a second edition of the long book. Sign a bunch of copies. He's already sold out I think. But if you can go check it out if you could find it but then I, ended up buying stuff too I could not help it i. mean he gave me. And that was really nice but I ended up buying Oh you know what it was I got the second or maybe it's the third edition by Pete doctor the Pixar director he did a a series of flip books for Disney and they're published flip books and this is like instead of about just being the nine. Oh Man, it's like the nine other old man or something like that, and so it's like version two or three in the series that Pete doctor put together I love I. Love I love Flip Books Because I could study animation frame by frame. I want that yeah and I here's my stewarding story is that I just yesterday got an update from him and by the way everybody get on his email. UPDATES subscription. So you get those updates all the time. And I got the newest one and I always scan it see what new stuff he's got in all that and then head over the website because of it. But the one thing that he was advertising, it reminded me I had to get it and I went out and bought it because our birthday was recently Tony. That had had a little bit of Mama Birthday money, and so I was out and I bought at what it where I clicked on it and I got the art of Klaus Oh already had that I bought it from starting. I ride from Suwanee and he's got. On that book for this thing is what? I what I bought it. There's like a notes area at the end of you know when you're checking out. eappen there. Please make sure Stewart ing autograph my copy. That is so funny. You know why because was there on the weekend one of his assistants came up and he said will Stewart, we got this book art of Klaus that it was ordered by Tom Bancroft and he wants you to sign it. So it happened while I. was there and it didn't it did and Stewart was like, oh Tom. Doesn't want me to Steward as a higher squeaky voice I'll town is GonNA GONNA sign this book Daichi I don't WanNa ruin hit by signing me it. Doesn't sound like that. Did you make him do I? Meant it I? Do. It said Tom. Probably. Meant it. You should really sign it. He was like, well, maybe sign it on a post it note and put it on there. I don't WanNa ruin his book he was like so sensitive about it because he's artists and even though I think he wants to be it's so funny because I knew he would be that way you know and most people would if it's not I, didn't make this book I'm not going to sign it but I just wanted to see if you do it that was the whole thing. He did not sign it at that moment in front of me and he made those excuses but I told him, you should sign it I think Tom Really wants to sign it, and so he was like. Let's put it aside for now and I'll get to that moment you know. So I never saw sign it. So we'll see this is a note to all of our listeners that always spill if they have like a little extra back, they're put in something Zany and see if they do it. Yeah. We'll talk about it at the very least. So like I said, it came up while I was there, stuart books, check them out also. Thank you so very much to Ralph Thomas Sketch Wallet. It's exactly what it sounds like right Tom it's a wallet. With a sketchbook inside of it and you could carry around in your in your different size, and the best part that we never say enough about although we do is it comes in different sizes and comes in different kinds. There's the tweed one and a an a campus ones in different colors. So these things are good looking wallets. So yeah, go check those out I. Think you're GonNa to really impressed when you just see the quality of them. Yeah, and we don't talk about that enough. They are very high quality, well worth the price and a great gift I. Mean I I can't I can't think of more unique gifts to give an artist friend or love. Yeah and I can't say enough about our friend Ralph to WHO's been a supporter of the podcast from almost day one but he also does our logos that we post on instagram. So if you see, you know it used to be just boring bancroft brothers animation podcast logo. Now he's been customizing form. So we have a guest that we interview unlike tonight, which is going to be a hash it out kind of discussion tonight but if we discovered that you know. These guys are just GonNa. Tell you just bantering on? If we if we have a logo. And it's got a personalized who we interviewed picture on there and stuff. Done by Ralph. Thank you off. Thank. You row here. He's good. He's a graphic designer and artist. himself. So that's why those sketch Wallet Dot Com schedules are so good. Okay. So Tony, let's move into our subject tonight. It's a loose subject. We've basically got on the phone today today. What do you WanNa talk about here's where we came up with Tony and I both teach at the college level I think everybody knows that Tony's at a Pacific College in California I were out here in Nashville and I'm at Lipscomb University we both started our animation programs and basically shared notes. So officials sister programs. Yeah the schools are not right I. Think for us we should come brother programs. Don't you think Oh, that's cute I like that. Yeah. Yes. So they're brothers brother programs. and. NC yet we run very similarly we were always comparing notes I. Know that we both were brought up the same way not just you know had a tire shoes but artistically because we both went to cal arts together we trained Disney together. So a lot of the things that we are saying in on both coasts well, I'm not Ana Kosar's both schools are kind of repetitive. I'm sure we're hitting some of the same subjects and kind of quoting some of the same people So tonight is we're GONNA call this the back to school episode. How hope that sounds cool back a schoo-. and. So we want to dig deeper than that so. Let's start with and we won't dwell on this long, but this is GonNa be for both of our incoming freshman Tony are pretty crazy the this the twenty twenty reality we live in the yeah is they're coming back to a very different freshman experience schools. Now, I'm in California monks both of our schools and I'll say this, I'm in California Urine Tennessee. So How our university reacting to cove is probably different and I will say that most of the summer up until about. Our what are we in August now it's probably a month and a half yeah up until about mid July for me. We found out that everything was going online. So we we're planning on going to be in person teaching Still social distancing and mass and things like that. It was a lot of precautions the school was trying to put in an implement. But Up. Until but it all changed. So once we went into about July, there was a big surge particularly in California in l. a. r. numbers were spiking really high I. Don't know why seems like we're being careful out here, but it went really high and so the school decided, nope everything's online everybody is going to be at home and and learning via Internet so. we made some dramatic choices that we couldn't do the first semester when everything went bad and we had kind of really quickly scramble for spring. But now that we're going into fall and we have little bit more time to plan. One of the things that I'm really proud of is that the school is I told the school from the get go and and if you're a student right now you're you're probably shaking your head go because might soon as they pay a lot of money to go to a pew and to get this topnotch education which it is. But if they're doing it from home and then you're asking them, you know I mean let's face it Tom. Animation. We utilize high-tech industry, standard computers, and Cente- seeks and things like that. We need. We need hardware and software that is top quality, which means it's expensive. So when we went on line, I was like. I am not going to go to my students until them. They got to buy all this stuff for home or I don't want to tell them. We're GONNA compromise and you're going to be on IPADS doozy PROCRA- all semester to try and do your animation. That is not industry. Standard equality. Maybe one day we'll be I'm not trying to trash ipad or anything like that but. As of right now, you know we learn in toon boom harmony, which is an industry standard program or TV paint, which is industry standard for to animation were working on Maya and and applications like that for C. G. Animation, and we utilize high in Watkinson seeks ripe for drawing right directly digitally into the computer. So my. We talked about it. I talked to my chair, my boss about it and we decided let's let's put the cost to the college to ship out. We already have all the staff that sitting in our lab and just collecting dust this semester. Let's send it to the students so they can have their own computer, their own Cente- away at Khawla th. Yes. We are shipping at very expensive cost if you can imagine. All of all of our own stuff that his own by the university is going out to eat students. So they can have whatever they need now if they already have a computer and. says. Can we pause for a second go? Okay. That's awesome. Zip University good for you. That is okay. So like no other schools doing that I, just want put that out there including mine, but I'll tell you what we're doing in a second We just had to do that quite yet because we're a little bit different situation but applause to that because. That's crazy like those those computers are not gonNA come back to you in the same. No I know. We're. We're. kind of thinking that too. Yeah. Because the onus will be on the students to ship it back now, the school path for the shipping, but Richard kind of up to the students at how they're going to pack it up. Oh, I hope there's some there's going to be a tutorial there's going to be. All that you should probably just pay even a little bit more go okay. GotTa go to the UPS store them back and here's here's how we want it done that maybe an option that we get to. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely ways to do that so that they. It takes that other hands a little bit. Offense. The data us because I don't. Trust the kids handle that. My Gosh? No. I mean okay. So anyway, I see what goes on in my girl's bad bedrooms. are going to be and it's just like sodas everywhere and. So. Very brave of you as it Pacific, we're GONNA come back to you about you know six months and see how that went So okay. So we're we're at Tony a different situation, Tennessee thankfully. In that we are not completely shut down here. We have had PECAN and drop exit. We're in a in a little bit of a dip right now but lipscomb university has committed as at has some of the states goes to ut Knoxville University Tennessee KNOXVILLE and Chattanooga they. They are all staying open vanderbilt. University is another Daguin Belmont University They're all open face to face okay and as as LIPSCOMB Super excited about that because you know as you know, the freshman experience is this is where you're GonNa meet your people for the first time. Right you know you were that one key get high school that was all by themselves loved animation anime and maybe one other friend but. You are artist one, and so like you were king the hill. But now you come over here and now you're not only going to compete with other artists you'll discover there's others that are better than you which there's pros and cons there of course, but but the other side of that is they all live gig out about same stuff you do and I love that moment I'm just so thankful that we at least get that moment because we started about two weeks. So we're not there's kind of no turning back at this point well, Yeah. I. Mean. It would have to come from the government level I've come from the top. And I don't think that's coming at least in Tennessee's world yet. So now it can change we all know that with Cova income cash two, four, eight weeks from now who knows a couple months? We could have to shut it down and go Kay were remote now everything's remote. but I will say this. One thing I'm jealous about with you is that you at least have a game plan you're like, okay. Everything's GonNa be remote. We have to come up with a game plan that works and you guys. Decided to ship out the hundreds of thousands, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars, worth of equipment. Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars I'm sure. So but. I'm glad we don't have to do that yet but what we are doing is doing face to face, but I can only fit like maybe three fourths of what I used to be able to fit in our in our classrooms because of social distancing, right. So like maybe every third desk or whatever is now and went to space them out and reconfigure every classroom and so Yeah. You need more space than ah just to do your. And so now what we're having to do is basically a hybrid model and and every professor I work with a lot of adjuncts that I work with in other professors with my program. were letting them kind of develop their own battle plan, but there's not a ton of options. And that makes it so that we have to kind of make. A an a group and B group so that I'm teaching like, say character design one for the freshmen and soft to split the class in half and half of them come on Monday the other half on that Monday are going to be in their dorm rooms watching along the zoom. Oh, that's following along and chatting and hopefully will keep them as as interactive involved as possible. And then Wednesday, we potentially switch you switch. And Ord, or an indoor they you know they do it Monday and Wednesday, and you know we mean a couple times during the week. So that's exactly what we're GONNA. Do Tom, if we were going to do the hybrid or the Oregon what you call. it's not a synchronous tickets synchronised. In person teaching it would have been that. Yes solution. Yeah. And I think it's the best solution at least get to know each other and at least in their group they will It's GonNa make it a little bit harder to get to know the whole class and that's disappointing. but there's always that you know coming in and out of the class they do a lot after hours too. So they will just a slower start. You know as far as the social side goes but here's the thing and I hope that the people listening if you haven't made a decision about school is probably pretty late but. I do think that there's an there's some people are going to take a gap year. Go you know what Kobe has just blown my whole all my dreams of college in the pros and cons don't way and Blah Blah Blah and I'm gonNA miss out on too much. I'm just going to wait a year. Well I get that for some people I honestly do but for a lot of people I don't, and I, I've been sort of stressing to my students I'm like well. Why would you wait a year and and wait another year of getting in the industry to I mean like I graduated a lot yeah. You wait a year of graduating you wait. You know a lot of Stan knows if it's just a year right like at next year I hate hate to even consider that but don't even mention at Tom it could be longer some says spit on you. So anyway, we've talked a lot about, Kobe, I do want to say that you know a all the schools, all the professors at all the schools, all the deans. It's not like everybody's taking it lightly and making decisions at the last minute it'll seem like it because so many decisions have had to change all summer long and I've been a part of that you have to wear. We had a plan now that's out the door. Now we're GonNa do this now how do we handle this now? Oh it there's a solid group of here. That has some special needs that we got to attend to. How do we deal with that? There's so much to it when you're talking about reinventing how. You educate students and and then the equipment and all the software and call that that goes along with it. So so does it rolling? It is unique year though I mean you're right and it and it but you right we don't WanNa dwell and in that because what we're also trying to give the students is excellent education and if you are going into animation talked about, you know what are some of the positives while the some of the things that you should look forward to what? What's important right about learning animation when you're? ZIP, Wall skip. Yeah, that's the thing is we want to normalize this to as much as we can and okay. Yeah. That once get past some of these challenges in. Yes. Some of them won't go away stuff that we have to sort of do on campus or it'd be taking their temperature constantly have to wear face masks and class stuff like that is going. To continue throughout this semester at the very least. So but what is normal is the content and making sure that they get the content and the education. So let's talk about the things that as a freshman, what are the most important things you need to know as a freshman Tony, you start right? This is this is you know as as pertemps. These are the things that we try and put forward to our new freshman incoming students. I. I still am a big proponent and I know a Lotta classes are like this. But one I don't I don't expect my students to come in having done animation that's going to be the first surprise. Hear me say probably is that I will say eighty percent of my students have never animated but I would say the same there in the animation major, they just signed up for it. Because let's face it. because. The industry is so digital these days there's not a lot of easy ways to do you're at home animation or to learn that on your own. So what I'm looking for students that come in As having drawing skills because I don't have time to teach them that. So want them all to each the manifestation. I'm actually happier to start with them from scratch in the beginning because then through the four years that I have them, I'm going to grow them I'm GonNa, grow them and start them in order and learn the basics first, and so let's talk about that to me. The basics in the foundation of animation always goes back to the nine old men particularly Franken Ali. So hopefully, you guys are with me now. Who you know who the nine old men are of Disney that twelve principles, the twelve principles created by Franken. Ali. In the the thome that everybody should know the illusion of life. That's the book that Franken Ali wrote years and years and years ago in the seventies and they they because they were the guys that the nine old men were the guys that were basically creating the standard of Animation Quality Disney style animation that we've that everybody ripped off of now over the years they stepped set the standards and they learned. The best. Way To create animation performance an those twelve principles and Tom knee want Meena. To go through I'm really quick. You know what they are. I test my students actually I mean we do do you have memorize. No I clicked on something. We all heard that. Yeah like I haven't run in front of me but. I know eight of don't don't do hard I know to. Yeah. Sure. Well and the weird thing is I don't totally think all of them are actual principles of animation some of them are sort of. Working Techniques. No we opened up Pandora's box here. We gotta go through here. Tom. Hold on I'M GONNA SAM go for it. So twelve principles of animation that every student should know squash and stretch what is that right anticipation staging Straight ahead versus pose to pose animation. That's a technical thing for sure to technique that follow through an overlap. There's a subtle difference between those and I'm still always forgetting what they are saying same slow and slow out. That's a timing principal, right? The up but then arcs arcs is definitely something that will give you more rhythmic animation. Secondary Action Okay. So there's another one timing which seems like that's related to slow in and slow out and LAWA's but timing is just the broader term for getting texture and and understand what texture timing means exaggeration. That's that's definitely a principle of animation try and push exaggeration. We're not doing real life. Usually solid drawing is the principal appeal. This is a very general one, but know it has to do with. Making something that. At Disney term very specific to Disney, it is a used to say about Alah appeal and it's it's basically what makes it attractive to the eye to the audience what's going to keep them in it? And S last one. So appeal is always the one that most people forget I would say but yeah, those are the twelve principles has given to us by frank and Ollie, and almost every animation school starts with them. So when you talk about squash and stretch, usually your first assignment as the bouncing ball, right because that's where you start to really go. Okay. There's a form in a shape and it's got a squash when it impacts and has got a stretch when it pops up and and the bouncing ball and includes a about four or five of those concepts. Yeah. It does have slow. So out it has timing he has squash and stretch it has arcs So there's about five I think just said There's probably one other that I am not a missing potentially but But that's why that that is such a precious sort of beginning exercise Yes. At. You're not gonNA spend a ton of time drawing a circle rights kill you. But you'll really learn a lot in just that just doing that one exercise I totally agree with that Tony I. I, kind of feel like I just I wanted tangent on the twelfth principles like crazy and I'm not doing it good for you. I'll come you're welcome. Tony. So that's a good one. So at that point, if we were to break these down into four or five points, I, think we only have four written down. But let's say these are a top four and we may add make it five in the end. Yours was You don't need don't know how to animate. So that was Tony Number One, my number two that I'm going to throw in this is I want to encourage freshmen to empower themselves to learn. And that what I mean by that is so many students coming out of high school. Especially, I gave a little speech at the beginning of the my very first class for the freshman and I say that from this point forward, grades don't matter. Matter, of fact, this degree you're about to get does not matter. It's not about that in animation it is about one your ability, your work ethic. Your drive all of those things and any likability I hate to say it but that is a big part of any job. Sure. and. So none of those things have to do with you've got an a class A., B. Class REC- right and so if you leave class and you feel like you didn't learn anything or is a ton of questions and A. Part of that not all of it because yes of course, the teacher has a lot of responsibility there. Did they do a good job? But part of that is on you and a that blows students minds. I. Think they're like I'm paying to go there blah. Blah. Blah. But you're also you need to learn how to because that's part of going to school. Right is there is there is this sort of silent thing that nobody talks about is that part of what you're learning is how to learn and being empowered, empowering yourself to learn and to say raise your hand I didn't get that I didn't understand that point and it may have been because it wasn't well explained or it was glossed over in that may be true but it's on you that if you didn't learn that you heard it or whatever, and didn't quite get it if you didn't raise your hand, really clarify that for yourself. The Nets on you and so I really want empower that. Look quickey story. Sure. I don't know about you but we we let the students evaluate our classes at the end of the semester to do that. Okay. So I think a lot of schools do it. And but it was new to me, and so this was a couple years ago and I think it was the very first time I taught and it was an animation class. I hate to say it I I, it was the first time I taught Tutti animation too. So it was a little bit more intermediate level. I still to this day. Don't know why that I couldn't have done better at that but it was my first time out and because you that was my career. And but I was. So I taught the freshmen in the the beginning level and all that I I don't know. I. Just didn't feel like I did a great job at teaching that class and and it. So I did feel like I could could be better but when the reviews came in, most of them were were at least moderate to above, right? Oh, I got a lot out of this I could have done this little bit bearable Blah there was there was criticisms that I needed to hear and actually I really appreciated and learn from. But there was one student that in their review. They said, you're gonNA name what's the name of that student? Totally. Not Actually I don't know I don't know one hundred percent I mean, right? Yeah. It was a small classes years ago back when he had smaller. Service right and there's no yet. So fortunately, I don't really know I've narrowed it down my head to at least that yeah I kind of know who it is but in you always do you know? The People here class that would do that but So this person said I didn't learn anything in this class. And I I was like because I was sensitive. Personally and right now. I was like and and some of that I'm like I said, I am going to take some of that and I need to write but but the way it was and I I took more that from the other people because they they're constructive I like this I like this this could have been better as can be better. Okay that's constructive. This person saying that statement made me go will shame on you because if you didn't learn anything own my gosh. What you're just saying that to jab because don't you can't get through. Any process and not learn something. They learned something you gave them. Learn is what you're saying, right? Yeah. You handed him a spoonful of sugar and they didn't take the medicine. Right and if if the person I'm thinking of In the back row and they're the, you know what I mean it you always know the ones that are in their in very distracted doing other homework bronner classes that kind of stuff going on. And Yeah. So again, shame on you. If you get through a class and you feel like you really learned nothing you didn't apply didn't play yourself. Yep. Yeah, and so that's that's I. Think the best way to some that one opposite you do need to empower yourself and you need to prepare. You need have the equipment and things like that where it's GonNa take to have the best experience you can in in in that school. Good. I don't know what we had on the list three. This is number. I. Don't have allows you to have the list. Yeah Okay. A. You already said one. The one we didn't we kind of dropped in there as far as you don't need to know how to animate another one that I put as a sub one was you need to know how to draw. and. I think we can dig on that a little bit deeper. So we'll call this one number three. Is that. We believe Tony, and at least that you can't come out of high school and again, we also do portfolio reviews to get into our school. And so it is important that any school art schools should be looking at a portfolio and the hard part is is that they shall be turning people away. And I know that's the goal with our school to is to say you're not ready. You're going to need a couple more years of drawing or things, and here's things to work on be based on your portfolio because that way you get students that are are just they're already more prepared an. Going farther time and say do not go to school that does not have a portfolio review for entry into their animation program. Here's why a school should have a standard. Every school should have a standard. Excuse me. Every school should have a standard, a standard that is at a professional entry level into college. Okay. It's not I'm not saying that their standard is professional, get a job at Disney standard by any means, but you gotTa have some standards of okay. This person is ready to like you were saying earlier engage in animation, learn it and they already have some knowledge under their belt. They know how to design the know how to draw understand basic color concepts, things like that. They show that they are motivated and have already had some education in it and are ready to go. If you have if you go to college or you're applying at a college and they're not asking for portfolio of some kind, then they're just trying to take your money. That's my feeling about it. They don't have the standard of admission. That is key, they need to be able to cut. They're not doing you any favors whatsoever universe doesn't ask for a portfolio because you know what you're GonNa go and you're GONNA learn or not learn probably through four years at that university or whatever their program is you're gonNA come out and you're not going to have an understanding of what the standard is the quality standard of the hit to get a job professionally in the industry and that's a high standard. So if they're not preparing you from day one, they're probably not preparing you through the whole four years of the curriculum. And that doesn't mean that those students are all equal. They're still going to be different levels within that of ability is just trying to trim out the very lowest common denominator there the lowest level because again, those are people that probably need a couple of years of just drawing and more seriously dry not just do on a thing once a month you know on a notepad why? While I'm on the phone You know and we Tony I went to school with somebody like that at, but you know, but they're they're serious about it. So often times we've said I have students that come to me that want to come into my animation program and there's some times where I after a few questions and looking at their portfolio. but even before looking at the portfolio already got kind of an image of. Okay I've gotten some red flags here. Let me see your portfolio and that'll usually solidify it and some of those red flags are. I just love cartoons. I love to watch cartoons. I just think it'd be fun to do them and I'm asking what have you ever animated where he will have you ever do design your characters. Jeremy do do up comics will what kind of things are you into? not much mostly just like watching him. Well. There's a huge difference between watching cartoons and Ryan at and loving making cartoon because I know your your program is probably at the same standard of mine for sure. Which means it's a lot of work you know to do animation and so. One of the things you're doing when you're weeding out people using a portfolio submission technique and in bringing in students for your university. Is is you're also weeding out those that just haven't put any effort into it and probably don't have a knowledge of how much effort true effort and time and labor. Yeah and late nights and all that kind of stuff that it's GonNa take to even be ready and to get through this for your program. I tell my students you talk about a speech day one on my part of my speech day one from my freshman. Is Get, prepared get ready right now because you're gonNA be drawing more this year than you probably have your whole life. It's GONNA be tough. This is not for the faint of heart. This is going to be a lot of work, and if you thought you got an animation because it was kind of the easy major or something that would be you know like you said, I, just love cartoons in. It's Fine I. Love. This would be fun. It is fun but it's also Work work work to get go back to high school baby because that's that is that's art class in high school APPs said, here's a huge difference in I. I think that's the last night we need to make on. This is a huge difference between High School Art Class and college I'm an animation or an art program or anything like that. It's it's now. Deliver a lot more and you have to bring your talents up. You can't just sort of like I don't know silkscreen a t shirt and getting a all right. So I don't know if this is on your list but for me, the number three thing is I. Want My students my new freshmen to learn about the history of animation. Now, I say that knowing I don't have a history of animation class in my curriculum. Oh we do you do. Oh I'm jealous. Okay. Well, it's something I'm trying to work towards and I'm trying to find the right place because there's so much that I have my students learning. You know animation to Animation C. G. Animation there's characters, Zionist storyboarding. There's layout fundamentals You know there's lifetime I've action analysis glasses appear animation Peter said that yeah. All that stuff is there learning that's mostly in the first two years but I do want to be able to get a history of animation class in there but here's what I do do do. Do. Do. Is I try and infuse history and understanding of who the forefathers of animation are during the lesson plans. So what I'm talking about the twelve fundamental just like we did of animation I've talking about Franken Ali, I'm talking about the nine men I have a slide show presentation where they're seen who these guys are I talk about each and every one of them frank and Ollie and milk call and stuff but more than that and I, and then for characters on I do the same thing I talk about some of the top character designers in in the industry because I want them to have a sense of. Who came before them and what did they contribute and how can I learn from those great masters because? One thing that I always emphasize an because if you've heard our episode that we did on the podcast about mentors is that we stand on the shoulders of giants and you learn from the people that went ahead of us whether we have a direct mentor Tom and I did growing up in animation or or it's teachers or if it's you know taking a history class. Studying what other animators did they've already thought about a lot of this stuff they've already worked out a of these concepts. They've already created different styles of animation. You don't have to recreate the wheel all the time, and if anything it'll make you a richer artists if you understand what came before. And really studied that stuff you'll be blown away because almost everything has been done in animation and yet we still continue to break new frontiers Allah. Spiderman Spiderman spider verse. Come on. So Antonio announced added to say I think both of us have a A real hate for love hate is useful in some ways for the pinterest generation. So because that is a place where you just put in a subject or I'll animation character design whatever and you're gonNA come with images none of them are credited to the artist's righteously. Very hard to find that information because sometimes people do put it in that you put in Glen Keane get Glen Keane drawings for sure. But ties of is just you just put it in character Zayn many times they just grabbed these images, enthronement amentities, Soda Faulders, and so you don't learn the history and I think that we now have generation where they could care less who. Actually, did that dry just like how this was done I'm GonNa Learn what I can from it when when you know who did it, then you can go back and research their other work. Yeah and that's that's the key to doing real deeper research on artists and and I actually have a lesson where I I think my design class that I do at where I actually. The lineage of artists like. I think talk about. Joe Mosier who did all the character designs for the emperor's new groove and then I have some that are even more recent that but I take. And I say he's influenced by Tony for Chilean Tony Chile is influenced by. Karl mill call and no call has influenced viral Ronald Searle correct yeah. That's a lineage where each one of those artists learn something from the person that went before them and they grew stronger and better because of that lineage. And I don't see that enough and youth today and so when when freshmen come in and they're like They know characters Oh, I love this character that character I love this anime movie and I but they don't know who directed it. They don't know who the designer was. They don't know anything about the people that crafted it and made it to me that's a travesty and that's something that has to stop. You will grow stronger in your learning and your ability and your your art if you know what came before you. I'd say the same with live action directors too I mean you know Geek for that too and you know. You can be able to see like a hitchcock film and then watch all of his films and and you're GonNa learn so much more knowing. Okay. I'm seeing things that he doesn't every film or here's what we would normally do it. Now he changed a little bit. That's how you grow. So all right good good point, Tony and maybe this could be the last one I'm going to call this number five I'm going to call that last one, number four, and so quick at this one's equipment. So equipment is necessary. Can I think you and I might have a little bit of a A disagreement on this yeah. But. With covid happening right now, and what we're seeing with remote learning certain takeover take over, and so I guess in a looking more toward where the world is headed necessarily than where it is. Now where it was before I feel like more time more than anything. It's becoming the responsibility of the student and unfortunately the parents because they probably pay for this. To have. Strong Wifi. At all times. And a computer because now that if we emergency went to because we're going to go face to face I said But if an emergency happen and things got really bad, we know obviously the next level is we go remote and now the students are at their homes and we've already done this. We've tested this out last fall when we all had the whole world. Had to go remote like instantly within a week or two, and we were all still in school, and so that didn't go great in some cases and others it went fine. But what we discovered very quickly is that not everybody was prepared to go remote at an instant and they didn't have a computer on pad but I I don't have a computer I have A. Have a really old computer that's that doesn't have can't even run photoshop at. So Week or I have Wifi that is really responded. Now I know that there's financial concerns here, and so that's the unfair part of me even saying this is that not every student some people are there just at the skin of their teeth, right? Yeah. Tony You I. Cal Arts were very much those students right Oh. Yeah. So I I get that. So me saying that the expectation but so might be not talking about those people that. Just can't do anything about it. Okay. So I get that and that's where my hopefully the school can step in and we've we've helped by getting cente- seeks last last spring to students that needed it we can help out but the part I can't control waking hope get you the software we can get education discounts we can. We can buy it and and make sure that it's a subscription based thing so that people have tv pain people have been harming people my same thing what I can't do is buy a computer for everybody. Tony I know you're gone. Well, we're just sending out the highest quality and. But most schools are not gonna be able to do that. Not Saying that's what I say why not? While I challenge, you can tell you I challenge you to think of the standards and quality of industry standard stuff as what the students are signing up for when they go to university they can. They can work on procreate on an IPAD all day long and not pay these big prices for the university. It is out. I felt as the this is where I disagree with you Tom I just. brought. To cover that for the students I I do agree we should do as much as we can, and we should help out as much as we can. Surprise, I get that so We have a brand new state of the ART Computer Lab for Computer Animation Department right now have to laps. We have to animation lab that's all Max and twenty two inch since. And then we have now a state of the art. CG. Animation lab where we teach Maya in in computer animation. And You, you have some new equipment to I'm not saying that but these are computers that eat sat up is I mean we're talking about eight nine thousand dollar setups. For that, and that's not the kind of thing that you're going to put in the mail and send out to students all over the world are over the country at least. Just can't, and so if we're going to be able to do that and sustain that at the university, which is also why you pay to go to the university I get that we need to keep that equipment. So they're also last for a few years. We just bought it, and so we can't just mel that out and that's at least one example I think is of where okay well, that's. What we're talking to an option, you know that's who we're doing because we feel like it's awkward. But as yours that level, are you talking about I max or are you talking about what I'm talking about high p. that are like these are high yeah. We have the same stuff with the same hardware. The you guys do have the same software that were running on that hardware. Are you talking about? or Max Their PC's yeah they're PC's. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. All I'm saying is the same, but this is this is unusual times right? Desperate Times. But I also think that. In here's my feeling and this is very controversial but I know the students out there listening go. Yeah. Ya Ya a man because my feeling is and what I told my university is Okay we we we might lose some Sheen's that get damaged might have some issues that arise from shipping. These things out is crazy. This is a crazy time though. You're not going to do that and you put it on the student. To. This is my feeling during this crazy time. But if you knock do it in, you're not gonNA YOU'RE GONNA put it on the student that they have to have industry standard or high level stuff that they gotta pay for than lower the tuition. You know what knows no school is doing that though and? And yet financially, they're strapped to and we don't want schools to fold because of Co bid and what's going on right now because hopefully this is a one time thing. Bio, if it's one thing, then maybe you need to make some dire choices to. That's what we're doing. It seems very foolish to me what we're doing, but it also is a very foolish dire time that we live in right now and I felt like now and I don't have that oppa optimistic viewpoint that you do tom that that. Students could afford more I think students and I think families right now are strapped more than ever. I do think there's a lot of people that lost their jobs I have a student. I'm just you got me on a soapbox now iva student actually her father lost her job his job due to covid. And they had to make the tough choice and sit down their daughter and say you're going back for your. You're supposed to go back to your sophomore year at Zuza. We can't afford it honey and you're going to have to step out of college and we're not talking about a gap year. We're talking about she's probably no longer going to be part of the program because that's how dire for their family they were just barely making it before and then Kobe. Has Killed any opportunity for her family to pay for her college and I feel for her and I feel for other students that are like right on the verge of that. But ask them to you know. I get the Wi fi thing is the most basic responsibility that we should have is like, yes, try and get the best wifi possible. Do It now before school starts I get that. But I don't agree that we should make one. We should make compromises and the kind of equipment that the that our students are learning on. They need to be industry standard they need to be ready for the industry not doing ipad stuff or shooting things on. On their their iphone, one frame at a time to try and create animation that way. That's not s not realistic to what the future of animation has and so I have strong feelings about this that thankfully a. Gallon with. Well I agree I again, I applauded that already His No. There's no easy answers. Well we're now we're in a unique situation right in. This is a one. Hopefully, this is a one time only kind of. What are you going to do in this horrible situation? What's plan a? What's Plan B was was plan C. Most of us are operating plan see these days am and we can't even fathom our plan D at this point because we've we've already gone so far outside of our. Game. Plan. Yeah and it, and it makes it really difficult. But there are ways to make sure that this goes on and that we can all learn and grow animation because here's the positive side I don't want to end on this time. I WANNA hand out some positive for you guys out there. The animation industry is thriving right now it still continues to grow. It still continues to move on. We've said this before on the PODCAST, but it's true live action was hit really hard with Kobe because there aren't sets together in big groups we've been digital now for a while in the animation industry and including visual effects at. So we adapted very quickly and you I was part of a production that was already going with Warner brothers I won't talk too much about it again but. We transitioned to working at home within a week we were up and running, and we're still making the movie and same with all the TV shows that I know here in Hollywood and Burbank and. All of them all over the world are still continuing Ford. And so there is a future for animation and there's a now and there's a future and it's just growing because of online streaming and so many different things so. It is a good time to be learning animation. I totally agree with that we've talked about this before an another. But it, it almost like a boom time right now for animation I I don't know if I go that far but it feels that way and in so much an even for two DNA. Mason. Specifically, there's quite a bit of two d animation production going on and in ones during the planning that are coming hopefully. So yeah, Cousteau said it best right a bom baby we're on a boom. Get. I get it. So I duNNo. Okay. So I I feel like I would argue more but But all good good good points Tony obviously, we want the best for our students. And I know all schools do there's a few out there they're trying to make money but I do think that in general most schools are really out to you know deliver at least what they sell, right? Yeah. I do too education and degree and all those things that are important value to going to school for you and I Tony It's the mentorship that you're gonNA get sometimes zone probably at this point. Mentorship that you're GonNa get with your instructors and then also the peer to peer mentorship that also goes along with that. They just don't get online and that's why you go to a brick and mortar school or a ribbon zoom school I guess at this. But. You know it that stuff isn't gonNA. That's the Nice. The good news I think that we're saying that. There there are ways to make the education side of it still work. May Not be be optimal version of it and we all can admit that but but you can make it all work. You can still excel and grow. Even, these days of Kobe at be through mentor ship. A man and everybody out there please let's continue to grow. That's this is a time of growth for all of us. Some of it is awkward painful others will be great but let's let's go forward in school. Let's educate ourselves. Let's be safe out there Let's let's knock this it out. So that in spring were all together an person on campus. That's my hope. That's my dream for my students I noticed for you to Tom. Same and everybody. anime. From the heart.

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The Clinical Hacks on Posts and Cores (CHP12)

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The Clinical Hacks on Posts and Cores (CHP12)

"Welcome into clinical hats where real working dentists talk real dentistry sit back relax tighten your tough or prepare to be clinically hacked clinical hacks what is up welcome back listeners to another episode of our show. Thank you for tuning in with me. I've got the regular team back from all the way from cleveland ohio. I've got dr kevin air fryer low there and uh the also got carolina jones over their quarterback. Zach got the bad together yeah we do. I took a couple of weeks off without you guys. I'm glad to have the glad the team back so <hes> so this week we got a topic. How are we gonna make this entertaining figure out how to make this one sexy see <hes> we're gonna talk about posts and cores <hes> and we i got prompted for this topic. <hes> our good friend jason lipscomb posted a a post in our clinical hacks facebook page about cores and kinda got the ball rolling under discussion and we thought hey we need to talk about this further so we're gonna talk about posts cores and how we do them and how that all works and hopefully we'll have a lot of references to putting stiff objects and holes so brennaman. They're screwing aben yup mack jones. I i want to start off. I don't give me any techniques or anything like that. Just i wanna know your rationale between win. When you're doing a crown when you choose to do wha- build up versus not do a build up and you know out with an end donald treated too when you do oppose versus win you don't need the posts hope walked me just like on the <hes> what you do in wise first before we get into into the biomaterials well i guess from me has a lot to do with the remaining two who structure i mean that goes without saying but if the twos can hold a crown without me doing build up and you know it takes me a lot more time tom to do the build up. If i'm confident in the remaining to structure a lot of times i will skip it build up but if you know i've got half the tooth missing and do that that preparation. There's anything left. Absolutely we're put one in there. How about post when you win wins. The post decision happened happened for you. I'm not real big on <hes> again. It comes down to just remaining to structure <hes> there's enough there. I'm leave that post out if i can get a lot of anterior ear teeth come in broken off near the gum line or at the gum line and we're putting pose down those a lot but you know what always comes back to me is that that upper premolar <hes> special that has two canals always seems to be a middle aged white lady comes in with that poudel costs sheared off off below the gum line or at the gum line and and those are situations a lot of times where i will put a posting their support apollo build up there <hes> <hes> what <hes> what if when you're doing a crowd. What percentage of the time do you remove. All the restoration versus not necessarily certainly remember removing all the restaurants where do you. Where do you slot in added in terms of restoration removal so i am very big on not doing it built up from the get-go. I'm i'm usually doing an after we do our preparation or at least an initial preparation yep and if if i have remaining amalgam their composite and there's a ton of decay under that absolute removing the all that and just see how far that goes and then build that back out but it's it's very rare that we saw removing the old restoration and building the entire a tooth backed up and then cutting it back. I guess what i mean is like. Let's say you got the classic situation where you've got like a am o._d. Amalgam a ah molar and a cuss breaks off. There's no evidence to decay you strip in that whole malcolm out. Are you not necessarily doing that not necessarily doing macron preparation of the amalgam comes out. It comes out but you know if there's some remaining there. I'm happy to leave the okay air air fryer same question to you all right so <hes> i have gone back and forth on the whole <hes> course situation or buildup situation and currently i'm pro built up. I want a while thinking i could get away without doing it and i regret that so for young guys out there stick with your cores so i would say on the teeth that it need a core <hes> i am doing those more and more as far as post goes that has become a rarity ready and it's sort of the thing if the tooth needs a post. It probably needs something else like an extraction yes at that point of course there's some exceptions and you have to use your clinical judgement on that. I'm doing less and less. I have done less and less of those over time and <hes> you know but occasionally it's. It's the right thing to do. As far as the question of what do i remove. I'm removing ninety percent of the time. I'm removing everything however with the serik. What i'll do sometimes is <hes>. Let's say the situation you just mentioned m modi amalgam. I'll remove the i'll do my crown prep in. There may be some amalgam remaining. I'll scan everything i'll have the crown mill and then i'll remove the remaining amalgam at and then seat the crown in essentially the cement is becoming the core at that point wait the reason for that is that the serik likes <hes> nice flat smooth walls and <hes> public floor four and you get a better seating crown with that and i you know i just feel like sometimes time wise. I may be spinning my wheels. If i take all that output back in back when you're only gonna end up with a thin sliver of of <hes> material there so that's that's my philosophy on that actually did that a couple of hours ago or what time it is you you know that kind of brings up a good point that you and i had a little chat a few weeks ago about retentive features in cramp reparations particularly konia and eh example you gave of the imo d a molar and once you prepare that you remove the remaining amalgam a lot of times it is just a little sliver in you know i'll just go in there and just make like little retention box with that in just leave as long as it's got a good draw there but very little benefit from going in there and building that back couch those situations okay so let's <hes> let's go on to maybe some more technique kind of stuff here so so <hes>. Let's decide in this particular case. We do need to build up. One is is is definitely needed. We're talking about a vital vital tooth. What kind of <hes> materials you find yourself generally using for a buildup and talk us through how you do it in how it works for. Let's start. Let's start with you. Mac walk me through the build up in your office so i've got a whole array of macaire composite posit materials and i'll use any of them <hes>. I'm a big cosmic or fan <hes> to me that cuts the best as far as the dual cure resins go wants secured <hes> got anchor around made by apex <hes> zirk yalies which like the coolest dental material name ever ever from clinicians choice. That's like a zam. Yes circus zurich. I should patented that name. I have used uh-huh denton in the past which is a good material but i will also use the glass honors <hes> particularly. If there's a little spot we need to block out fuji to fuji equia something like that fuji miracle mix which is an old school material but a great material so all right macky get like five or six different building materials does that that sounds like an ordering nightmare and nightmare for your assistance. Why don't you give us some rationales there in the wears and wins you choose to use these. There is rationale it. <hes> it's one of those situations where it's cosmic wars our preference we just still have all these other lingering materials around that we use but cosma cores than the one that i've i've been happy with like i said i mean once cured. It just cuts you okay so like walk us through a walk through a cosmic core build up. Is that a total action bond. You need a link. Just walk us through the steps so i'm using coupon what you put me on which is a prelude s._e. <hes> clone so you now. We're having secession the other day that you know really when you're doing a build up. You're not really bonding to a lot of this going to stay there. I mean if you're bonding lonnie to enamel. That's more likely going to be ground away so i usually do not do a total etched technique. I mean those rare situations. I'll do a selective edge but i'm typically klay just go on with the cool bond <hes> the problem bond and then there is a link that comes with that there's just not made by vivid <hes> that you do actually still have to get through campbell and <hes> i'll put that lincoln there and just put mcabe setup dual cured. You let it set up or do you. You blast it pretty much as soon as you've shot. It depends if i've got a crack to throw were really like a giant giant wide m._o. D. that we're replacing that and there's gonna be a lot of stress between the buckling linwood the tooth the now we'll let it set up for sixty ninety seconds and then maybe like your that just to get the modulus built up there so we're not overstressed in each. I don't care that apollo till guy sees you just use grab beginning just score just all over them and you just unleash your load hassles. Yes the book that buki method our down figure that out is that was that what you kinda used you. You feel like you know you just can't have too much in no load is too big too hard to control. Sometimes it does kinda go everywhere. I very rarely put on a matrix fan for built up a meme generally just bought it right there and just grow so to summarize mac you you pack your us and a sixth generation bonding agent use a self etching primer use a bond and then use a link to make the dual cure bond to that bond is that is that accurate okay all right kevin. What's your story all right so <hes> typically. I'm gonna use park l. Brushing bond one one hundred percent of the time and then i'm either going to use absolute denton which i don't always love because it's a little bit running <hes> <hes> or just regular straight composite which may be super expensive but the time saving of being able to i i rarely ever use a matrix just be able to put it where hey want it and shape that real nice. That's pretty much it one hundred percent of the time i have not had good luck with bukowski method david. I like to control everything and have things you know. Basically you're basically re shaping crown. Prop out of what's not there right so that that's usually what works best for me so <hes> you know the absolute denton deal cure so i will just hit with the light right away. If that's if that's the direction we're going and it seems to work really well. Brushing bond is that a a total etch and then bond that salvaging primer primer and then a separate bottle for a bond or is it is it a one bought one bottle system awesome okay and do you need a a link to bond the dual cure to that or is that more one of those universal agents that does not require. I universal agent. It's designed to work with the they're both park. Hell products right rectus designed to work with the absolute denton but that's how i abban almost all my composite all post eric abouts so now kevin. You're a sexy sarah user dirty x. Yes i mean we were on webcam here. So it's ladies astray shirt off. Yes do you pick a particularly white white blend of of that so that it doesn't show or do you use shade doesn't matter at all i use the enamel shade brushing bond. It's it never shows through and if if i end up using composite it's just see to what whatever i get handed and then the other part of the equation is if i'm doing that sort of backwards method where i'm removing the old filling material at the end then it's just being filled with cement <hes> right so now we're going to this is one of those where we need a post kevin so tell me what type of post us and how your workflow is with a p- with adding posted the equation all right so i may get flamed for this us but amusing the <unk> then tegas post system war hang on. Did we just mack we just get in the delorean and go back to like nineteen sixty five home. Wow can strand dentals diaz. Is that an unchanged technique from dental school. No it's going back to technique from from dental school. It works those are screwing posts. I'd like stay in the whole. I will use some cement with him. You gotta get a little looped up and wet in there but <hes> it. They work fine. I like the like the ahead on those it's nice where had that will allow the core material to latch onto their but again. I'm doing the so rarely it. Doesn't you know it's not a huge part of the practice so a young young listeners out there. If you need to google the dentis or maxine what google you're going to have to go to a journal norcross textbook from the eighties or the tadpoles are so popular in europe have active post is his a little a little old school but it is they split less roots than people will lead you to believe astronaut found. I used to use the para. Riposte system did learn in donald school. Remember correctly and i haven't really seen any change in splitting routes between between the two so i i really don't think that that's what they didn't do. You actually even drill. I've got a per show or does. The pope did supposed to all the workers. There is a post drill and then go to the thing in all right. Okay mac all right mack. Do you have a post technique from this the selenium is there such a thing yes i do so i'm big on the fiber and i'm big on putting the smallest post in brands fiber post and use mac. What i'm using is is made by alternate but i think there's one fiber post. Come made that makes the exact same foes for like five grand five brands d._t. Post or something like that the company bud would they come like zero one two three and there may be a four zero one and rarely anything bigger than that and i really don't do much post preparation space <hes> <hes> and we've talked about before and i'm a big <hes> warm vertical guy so a lot of times. I'll just do my down pack and just leave that april plug in place and just fifth opposed to their caisley. I've got to go in there and just kind of alter the space a little the post to fit but very rarely then do you bond these posts in with your cosma core or do you use a separate post cement and yeah whatever will cure cement are built up sherwood. I'm using the space what i put that in with which makes the link parted the coupon actually kinda nice <hes> i'm always nervous about curing bonding agent down in canal before inserting posts but okay yeah and basically going wrote my built right on top of that kind of all one st and kevin did do you also use your absolute denton. If you're going to put a little bit of your material down down in the post the absolute dutton as the cement and the now just one step smet hand screw that in and and then build it up on top all in one a right well. I will give you guys what i am doing with. Billups and posts is here for give us your knowledge. I will i will nobody asked you. I know no one asked but i'm i'm giving it to you giving it to you anyway. <hes> i have switched my ability material in the last couple of days. I was a core paste. The dual core pace user for a long time never really liked it but it just i don't know i just didn't i just stuck doc with i don't know why but i have made a switch to a product by danville bulk ease and it is also designed as a filling material <hes> <hes> but also <hes> works really well for for buildups. I like the the self cure nature of it and so i just like mac i i may use the generic prelude s._e._o. Which is called cool baen. It's a six generation agent so <hes> primer step bombs step and then <hes> <hes> the self care product does not need a link. They've designed it in such a way. There are two known buildup products that do not require a link for any situation. One of them is bulk. He's the other one is can box. This'll as core which is also a very good product. You want something a little thicker. It's not as runny look at that one <hes> so i put with that on it sets up in ninety seconds and then i'm off to the races on curing it's also thin enough material that it's my post cement and when it comes to post us i mostly use titanium titanium posts. I like the pair post x._p. System at classic para postal all system. I use the occasional fiber post in an anterior situation where i don't feel like i can get a good block out of that <hes> that metal and in that case yes i use the fiber core posts have a a a newer version called fiber clear. It's the post is instead of being that snow white colored more of a clear color and they're also a lot more radio opaque which was one of the flaws with the original fiber hor post so i'm like eighty percent cent titanium post twenty percent vibe riposte and bogies is now a build up and <hes> post cement material of choice choice that is really been a positive switch not only do. I get a better bond. I used to get a lot of voids with the the core paste and this book is not a situation so i'm a big fan of <hes> big fan. That's been a really positive change for me. <hes> i gordon christianson. I'm a big gordon tristesse in sierra newsletter guy he wrote a pretty <hes> telling article not too long ago that said it was called post and cores the forgotten retention talked about how posted fallen out of favor and cores fallen out of favor and things like pins fall out of favor and he's be posted quite a few research things to encourage us to use some of those things more often so i took that to heart and i've been placing more billups for sure i like kevin i'd gone through a stage where i was like <hes> no buildups ups don't necessarily have to remove all the restoration and now i'm kind of getting more bill to try to get more of an ideal design to get a better retention on some of these crowns so that's that's. That's where i met with. Balaj signed these <hes> fiber post holding up over time. That's one of the reasons kevin that i kind of kicked back over to titanium. It seemed like when i had a catastrophic failure that it was the the the fiber post that either didn't bond well enough or or is something went bad with it and so i don't seem to see the i don't have very many stories of oh. My god that para post just like wrecked the tooth but i've had a few a fiber core fails. What about you mac. I really haven't seen many and and mac failures kevin you've forgotten i mean it's perfect perfect. Yeah damn close to no. I mean typically in a tooth has got a post in it. That does fail. It's failing for another reason <hes> recurrent indo or <hes> to just snaps off at the gum line just really had a poor prognosis to begin with but <hes> i'm not seeing like post deep bond or anything like that <hes> but probably haven't been doing them long enough. I really think that whatever the the system is. It's gonna probably fail for all the same reasons and we'd probably just like like what we like but it's if they're gonna fail. It's probably probably all the same reason accents sure i i've always thought the bond of getting a something to bond down inside of a canal. L. was always like oh. My gosh how your light doesn't get down in there. How are you actually house actually any bond happening. That's one of the things i like about both visaless core four and the bulk is that if you believe the science which neither one of those rocks has been around a huge number of years but you believe the science any uncured uncured bonding agent gets converted by those materials when they would they touch each other so. I hope that's actually happening. I've i'm counting on in a few cases. I have here and there so you know for me. I mean a lotta times opposed as is more about mechanical retention. Yes kind of ignoring the bonn i and if you have a wealth it tapered post. They're you know sort of give you that resistance that you need. I mean not that you don't need the bond but if you're submitting submitting this little post in this c- of bonding resin they are hoping this going to stay in the tooth and it's probably not that's why i like screwing him in i. I didn't even you mentioned this. I actually for those situations where i feel like. I need some mechanical retention plus plus some bonding we do have did you remember the wlac post system max not old enough to know the blockposts but i bet you do. You never know it's it's kind of like a l. A. little bit active a little bit passive typos. It's got some. It's got some threads on it for sure and i it's got a christmas tree design at the top really early holdings and build up if you've got a tooth. It's truly kind of broken down so for what it's worth. That's my that's my hail mary post if i'm really doing burrowed. Onyx comment makes a similar post to that now that christmas tree what does comet okay for a company <hes> yep yup yup blocks been. It's been copied i. I don't think i use the actual wlac post anymore that dr wlac. I'm pretty sure i use the generic of it but still it's. It's a great name to have dr wlac yeah it. Wouldn't it yeah. Let's go back to the bulky yup. No you're very cost conscious. I think a polite way to put that say mac this. What does this this is. This is open forum your chief man. You'd you'd run a cost analysis on that versus. The other dual cure okay real so bulky is not going to be as cheap as some of the other building materials. There's no question that it's a it's a more expensive build build material than i mean. There's a lot you could definitely go a lot cheaper. What is about <hes> inventory management from <hes> <hes> because this bulky works as the post cement and the build up and i can use it on some of my larger hill mary style fillings. It's like one thing that does so instead of having six build up materials like you. I just keep this one thing around so even if that one things more expensive at least it's not going to expire expire and i don't have to stock anymore things so that's a lot of sense. That's so it's you can definitely find it cheaper cheaper building material but in terms of the overall inventory product. I think it's doing well for me. Hey that brings up a great point for our younger listeners expire dual. Oh cure composites. Don't mess around with them. No that is that is do not mess around with <hes> well. I don't have a specific specific example <hes> failures. He just read it on dental town so i don't have any failures. My sister just fills me from time-to-time yeah head head i have you scored this stuff in and it's like you wait and you're like is this going to set. Oh yes not going to set up a lot of times can be light cured but it will not set up on its own so you lose that curability and if you're submitting oppose or something with that you're toast. I also have found i found like i got more with the dual cures. I got more voids by rushing to do that. Cure and i felt like that's one of the things the bulk is doing for me. It's forcing me to wait that ninety seconds which i know some people are like oh. You're wasting ninety seconds like i don't know i'm not so busy that i don't have ninety seconds to spare but it's forced me to let the stuff set and i feel like i get a much more dense build up because of it. I don't know just just me or maybe it was just that core paste in work in my hands. I don't know that they've made like an opaque material or is it all now that okay so i guess that would be another weakness of bulky as as they have a one eighty two eighty three. They don't have that snow white thing. That's really going to block out amalgam great thing is that's really not an issue anymore koneohe. Which is what i'm using most of my crowns is. It doesn't matter so true sure i don't i don't think about that although it is nice to have that nice opaque looking build up rather than just one kind of has that i can tell amalgam underneath that look for sure maybe abia the next time we talk all ray. Maybe you can get them to throw in a little white opaque shaved for us i done i talked to ray. I said i sent him a message. The john says hey look we need to know paik. The bulk caesar's today. Hey opaque shade any said <hes>. He said he'll he'll. He'll talk to people who know people. Maybe it's a maybe it's a firm political hacks worker for the people that's right. That's right all right guys. Well we are we are we ran long on this because it was it was so awesome so if you would like to know more about posts cores or see shirtless picks of kevin fryer. Where would you go you. You would go to the clinical heck's facebook group at the facebook and you would join there and you adjoining the discussion very good and mack. How much does that cost five ninety nine a month. That's right lifetime cash all right guys well. I think that's a wrap. <hes> thank you for listening and we will catch you next week doc.

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Dealing with Trauma After the Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

Capt. Hunter's Podcast

1:00:52 hr | 1 year ago

Dealing with Trauma After the Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

"Everyone and welcome to another episode of the hunters podcast podcast that is dedicated towards bridging the divide between the police and the communities that they serve. Thank you so much for taking the with me and with us as we look to do just that and that is bridged that divide between the police and the communities that they serve today's episode. You want to focus on part two of what we started concerning on arbitrary. Tragic Shooting and situation before we took a look at the legal aspects. A what could happen in that case with professor says Stoughton in this episode. We're going to take a look at the psychological damage or trauma surrounding witnessing another tragic shooting. We want to look at how the family is going to deal. How well the community the immediate community as well as the extended community deals when they see some type of what I would call them what many people would call violent porn of the tragic going down of Ahmed Arbor. So that's what we're going to be discussing today. We have our returning guest. Dr Alan Lipscomb if you remember Dr Phillips Cone University professor in California dealt with us about the the trauma that is what I or that suffered amongst many African Americans when they witness another police shooting. If you have not listened to that episode please go back and listen to that episode. It's in the archives but believe it's called the dealing with trauma after another police shooting with Dr Alan Lipscomb so he has returned Not GonNa read his bio. Because I read it before. What end if you don't know his bio you in many great papers in worked doing head back over to that episode of the previous episode. Listen to that and you will get a good sense of who this man is. I also want to remind you all that this episode amongst many other newer episodes are going to be videoed and placed on Youtube as well so if you are the type of person or you know. The type of person wants to information who needs information yet. They are reluctant to listen to audio. But they're more the visual type of learner than have them head over to you too. Captain Hunters podcast on Youtube. They're they can watch these episodes so Both platforms available the audio as you're listening to and the video over on Youtube. So head over to captain hunters podcast on Youtube so without further delay. Everyone here is the episode. We're going to be discussing the amid arbitrary. Tragic shooting with Dr Alan Lipscomb. Thank you man of coming on. Dr Lipscomb I really really appreciate it. Man and Let's start off with the how you making out. Cova going on and you maintain wearing your mask and all that kind of stuff yeah. I am maintaining and finding balance I had to come up with some corentin goals for myself so look. Kobe goes in order to be productive and balance and not get so caught up overwhelmed while still practicing. You know safer at home out here in in in how and wearing a mask everything so adjusting but I am doing well. All things considered good. I mean that's good. I think some people have been really develop those quarantine goals. He'll be but want to start working out or working at home projects things like that. What would have been some of your corentin goals? Yes so I wanted to make sure that I didn't look back and say wow. I should have wrote more. You know on some manuscripts I should have Worked out a little bit more taking more walks or you know. I bought a bike so I can ride my bike with my children and stuff like that and so things like that. I set up okay. You're going to get out and do something you're GonNa you know right around Thereby biking exercise back stay stagnant during this time especially because we don't know how long and what is GonNa look like so. Those are some of the things that I've been doing to help with my own sanity. Yeah yeah no I definitely. I definitely get an agree. There's some projects I wanted to do around the house and you're actually yesterday. You know we've been quarantined for what two months now. So yesterday went the Home Depot and picked up some stuff to start doing some stuff in the bathrooms so so yeah it is definitely time to to get some stuff done. Also another one of my quarantine goals. I'm going to have actually do an episode about this as actually kind of really switched up my my diet. I went to a whole foods plant based Diet. No more no more meat or no more animal products at all So I just started. I'm about three weeks into that out that house event for you. It's good. I mean I think the challenge is just really trying to find some challenging recipes But I've I've you know listen. Youtube is is the placement so I found this yeah. I find so many different recipes and I created a little place for myself. Okay you know in a call recipes. I make this that and the other and all that constant so far have not gotten bored. I mean it. It's much more than salads. Everything I eat is very hardy matter of fact today for dinner. I'M GONNA eat call the Mediterranean lentil supposed to be detox soup. But it's just you know just a bunch of whatever stuff you put in there. I put a lot of fruits and in there. But that's that's I think I'm eventually going to be moving into that direction. Yeah Yeah I've been I've been reading a lot about. It will ask mostly youtube videos about it. Had A lady on from From a doctor's office she's Dietitian talks about the whole plant based food thing. And it's just so convincing In I I one go until tangent. That's an episode is going to be coming up. Yeah Yeah Yeah so listen man we we gotta talk about this man. What was going on in Georgia? Here we are again. Another man gunned down and so just tell us You know when you first heard about Amid Arbor. What went through your mind. What was the first thing that came to your so when I heard about it actually saw the news clipping of it and I had a visceral reaction to video in because one of those things where you're not prepared right. You're not prepared for what you're about to see. And I got locked in in froze right that kind of response and immediately. My heart dropped immediately. My heart dropped in. Venice shifted into frustration in anger. A sadness initially when I saw it in heard about it. Yes yeah mine too. I had I read about it in the New York Times article. Like what the heck is this? And then I watched Another podcast role. Martin unfiltered his his podcast in some watching him kind of talk about him. I didn't hear about this so then You know between New York Times article between his thing and then maybe a day or two later somebody sent me the video and so I watched an up and you know and I you know. There was no editing to this video so we see the man collapsed. And I'm like this is crazy you know and of course. I knew the narrative from New York Times article and a might. This is not what they said at all. You know so. That's I really wanted to talk about your reaction. My reaction probably hundreds of other blackmail reactions black women's reactions as they see their potential husbands and sons and all that kind of stuff. Let's just dig into the trauma. What goes on our minds ashore for sure because we have been specifically over the past decade. We're coming up on ten years that we have been exposed to this type of a trauma and not to say that it hasn't existed before that but as far as social media exposure to this and folks having access to phones an recording. We're coming up on a dead cake. That being said we are already traumatized. We are ready are traumatized. It's the equivalent to I think. Psychologically speaking to witnessing lynchings right and so. There's a part of for some folks. There's a part of this that they disconnected and this associated from it because it's too painful and too overwhelming to witness watch and rightfully so and for other folks there. They're different reactions to where they are frustrated. They're sad We're seeing the activation of their own experiences with being harassed targeted beat law enforcement. Be a folks policing them because of their bodies being black bodies etc so there are then react and this goes back to back top out. The last time I was on with you regarding the research that idea of qualitative research here spots to a murder fatal shooting of Stefan Clark in Sacramento back in two thousand eighteen in March for and one of the things that came out of that particular body of research is the response in reactions for specifically Black Ben who witnessed view or read about. What happens What happens is to black males murder and so since that time I have expanded on that in looking at coming up with grief reactions common traumatic grief reactions among black men and so the following reactions that I have found to be true across the different research studies that I've done is one is hyper vigilance. Right in no particular order high provisions so not only. Am I reacting to what I saw down? I am responding and reacting of how. I'm going to experience when I go for a walk when I go for a job if I wasn't thinking about it before. I'm definitely thinking about it now because of that parallel in that connection to be being blackmailed body. And what happened to Ahmad the the other thing around on I'll give you a quick example. That happened to be this morning so as you know across the country universities are close as far as the campus in their distant learning and me being a faculty member at the University that I'm at Cal State Northridge. I wanted to this morning. Thought about all want to go and get something out of my office on campus. Since longer than I initially thought an anticipated and neatly I thought. Oh wait. I can't just roll up on campus. It's empty some. I may suspect that I'm coming up. They're trying to steal something. Takes right back hyper vigilance. Piece known as what I'm saying to you right I'm not saying I'm worried about covert right right right right here me with that. I'm worried about Kobe right. What takes priority for be really that worried about killing me taking me out. Is someone shooting me attacking me physically etc because of being black? Melba your ass my fear. That's why I went to a hand sanitizer. According to my office I'm thinking about who do I need to contact so that folks no van coming and better yet even after I leave that good no report or hearing back? Somebody was seen on campus blackberry. My description you follow Christ so loaded in its do onced when we think about black males specifically responding this the going back to brief reactions traumatic grief reactions to this is withdrawn right. So I'm just GONNA pull back. I'm just not GONNA go out. You know what I'm cut out that job I'm just GonNa fall back you know. Leyla bad things. Die Down in. Go from them off way back. I'm not gonNA talk about it Haas ably etc. So so there's that other reaction to it right. The other one is honoring the person who has died right. So we we see this where I'm I'm a backout and not related to Killings but more so related to unexpected tragedy tragedy death of Kobe Bryant honoring the respecting right of his legacy and who he is and what he meant for individuals across the board right. And so there's a sense of pride respected honor as grief reaction as well but I see among among black band and other communities to the other reaction is accepted right. It is what it is. I talked about this a before last time. It is what it is. You know we just gotTa get used to this. We need to be prepared in aware how move ended up right but the opposite of that acceptance is activism and. I think this is something that although we've seen it over the past years there was a quickness in the responses from folks and now I'm moving out of black folks and is I saw just on my social media sleep more responses in folks doing things around Bacon Shore. These men were charged taken in arrested. That I didn't see I have not seen prior to what I saw this around so that activism keys over Or or black folks or folks were not black. I saw a different response outside of our immediate community because one of the things that becomes fresh bathing is that why are we the only ones alarmed? Why are we the only ones frustrated by this? Why are we the only ones fed up entire about it? So in the middle of it right I saw a lot of folks white folks etc responding to this equal to not more of what's been going on with with the pandemic and I'm not trying to compare right the pandemic Tutu. That's the last piece throughout speak to around the grief reactions that I've noticed across the board in my research is being triggered right being triggered activated and that goes back to The piece that I was started off with hyper vigilance So now I am trader and feeling some tightness in my chest is a physiological response that I'm having the what I saw what I witnessed what I heard about. All of these. The axe and there there are more but all of these reactions I would say common grief reactions among black men and black folk in general as it relates to seeing these tragic deaths. Absolutely I want to ask you About the activists apart and I want to ask you Basically to a two part question. I know that we're in the cove it have. You been in communication with your white peers. In what has there been reaction in the second part of that is. Why do you think there's so much more reaction to this amongst and I would say I mean the peers? Are Your Academic Buddies Essentially. But you know facebook people. Why why why is your more amongst the lay people that you can put it that way? Why is there more reaction you know? I think there's there's a couple of things I think. One Bay are finally seeing the evidence lined up back to back to back to back to back. Also you if you're a pair of I'm going back to the question because of your appear of mine you're also able to see the reality that I'm facing if you know me if you know my children I have a daughter. Twelve year old daughter. I have ten euros. Such you're also seeing the possibility of not just me but my son and so if you talk about activism in you talk about allies ship right. What does that look like? When you're practicing tout that ride cantor say that they are down for the calls are whatever black folks the community but then when stuff goes down you can't find right and so. I think he of one the evidence and also air connection in relationships with folks. They're having to say something now. It is what I'm noticing Because of enough is enough it was what I'm seeing what I'm hearing and it's it's been refreshing just to that on social media folks are doing and how they're responding to What happened and what has been happening. I think is the reason why we're seeing a shift. I'm seeing a personal chef. No I did see. I'm an agreement with you. I did see a number of people that really commented on social media was one. I did a video post talking about the actual video broke down the video and then I broke down the the letter that I sent you and I broke down the letter and what I thought was wrong with it just from a police officer's perspective yes. This state's attorney should not have written what he did. and so before. I started that whole breakdown. I did highlight one particular white guy who said In the video of what he actually put a post. I at the Post said you know. Here's a guy who gets and he said the only thing that concerned about when I go out for a run is on my knees going Acre after three miles apart. That's that's what he's worried about right and so I talked to I legal breakdown with the law professor Just a couple of days. Go that that episode of be coming up pretty soon as well so we talked about You know we talked about is essentially the same thing you know. What what how did you feel when you saw it? A said he was sad he was you know in in angry in all this kind of stuff and then. I said you know I felt the same way and then I said I was terrified. He said that's a good point. He said because I'm not terrified. Yes he understands that. The things that happened are terrible but but he understands when he goes if he looks into a house and sees sees. What's how the House built in the frame that's going to be? He has no inkling or component that he's going to be followed chase harassed and all that kind of stuff so good and that's the piece to that. I saw two with with other white folks is. They're recognizing realizing that I don't have to worry about my life and I am. I going to survive that jog that I don't have to worry about my boys ride. Who are going for a walk jog a hike etc so that humanity connection the difference in how humans are treated because like to ignore it and it sounded like yeah of course humanity connected. We're connected but we lived experiences in living experiences because of oppression because of institutional historical racism that continues to play out. And I don't know if you saw this problem social media but there was a host Black people are so tired. See that I can tell you you little snippet of it if you go. It says black people are so tired. We can't go jogging after each of these centers is a Hashtag. Someone who has died. As a result of these different things became jogging. Can't relax in the comfort of our own homes. We can't ask for help after being in a car wash. We can't have a cell phone. We can't leave a party to get a to safety. We can't play loud music we can't sell. Cd's can't sleep. We can't walk from a corner store. We can't play cops and robbers. We can't go to church. We can't walk home from school skills right and it goes on and on and on and on and so it's another way to highlight than just exist. Ing Black folks is seen as a weapon. One of the things. Dr Rashawn RAY TALKS ABOUT OUT OF MARYLAND. Without barreling says your blackness has been weaponized so just you being is seen as a weapon in fact. That's that's some powerful stuff. I had brother onto a couple of weeks ago. Dr Yeah Good. Good brother Yeah man I mean if you can't dig into the psychology of this I mean I read it a book right now which I probably GONNA put down. It's called and I forget the office name but it's called we will shoot back and it talked about the Mississippi Freedom Movement in how the deacons of Defense Came to the aid of the civil rights movement particularly in. State of Mississippi. I think it was. Somebody's doctoral dissertation. They just kinda turned into a book. I think that's and So it's it's really good in But just you know they talked about. You know I've heard about this. I you know I'm not old enough to to to be a part of the civil rights generation but man just a the amount of of terrorizing and lynchings and assassinations. That were going on and just in the State of Mississippi that this author details and to talk about us being violent or scared of us when I had a law professor on the other day he was talking about a study. A in which Black males are seen as bigger therefore more threatening. Yes in so so talk about this. And how why are we seeing this way after four hundred years of being terrorized and Lynch? How do you see us this way? I understand that we ought to see them this way. And you know. That's the biggest. That's the biggest psychological. I would say a damage if you will is is because of the long history related to to black folks in slavery and seen as as a product less than human all of that stuff. It's interwoven throughout who we are who we say. We are as a country in the psychology around. It is the narrative is you do not belong here. You are someone to be feared. You're less than you're not. Are you know all these things right and so someone is out it in the letter you sent me from the DA so when you have a black belt who's jogging in their community right and the two white males are going after him because they suspect that he is on Gerard or have robbed or whatever? That's their neighborhood. Even the letter says they're community right. It wasn't the community wasn't both the the victim and walk community. It was their community. So if this is my land if this is my space with Barry No that's a hell of a fouls right. This is my space. If this is my land I have the right to ensure that letter is although they have the guns. The letter states that they were clearly protecting themselves and they had a right to do that. But let's switch it up. Let's switch the psychology when we are growing up as children? Our parents tell us if somebody tries to grab you snatch you fight you whatever you protect yourself do everything you can do. Let's change the narrative around a a women and being attacked scream. Gail make a lot of noise. Or whatever we've here these narratives around how you survive if you're being or someone's coming after you like being followed so a mind responding seeing these in a car with their guns coming after his response is to protect himself but the narrative gets shifted. No no they're protecting themselves from you that it was justifiable. You shouldn't have been scared of because you shouldn't have been there shouldn't have been there to begin because this is not your land your community or whatever to begin with so I am doing by service right right because you don't belong here when the it also states that they were doing it until law enforcement gets so. I can suspect and then do all of this the idea that I m protecting our community I am doing this to help law enforcement etc etc so the psychology of it is right there in. It's clear and how it impacts how we looked at this how we understand this and how we continue to move so invisible. Is it in demonize this? Am I right aggressive? They use his mental health in there in the winter. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I like that. Let's see stores the bottom aged three. Yes mental health records and prior convictions. Help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an an armed man now that sentence is not a fallacy an contradiction so he sees an armed man because he has. Let's go with it. They'll health Prior history there's probably a legitimate fear. He may have. Ptsd he may have depression right and so if he sees someone coming with a gun. This isn't that psychosis folks. They handguns right right right. Checking him so but notice how they spent ban narrative and notice below micro aggressive language around rest of nature rights for already. He was someone who needed to be killed. And they're also pat biology mental illness to man. That's why does letter to me was just so so crazy and the I'll put this up on Youtube as well as the audio but What we're reading from the letter here and it's just so so bananas. He goes to these five steps as to why swing forced at the first one is just A. Da Been doing this for thirty years but You know because our top seed third when the following suspect in the neighborhood in their neighborhood as you as you mentioned yes man just in the fourth one they had firearms be open. Terry fashion and inches half firearms. They went and got them horrendous. This letter in novel mentioned you know the first part of it is. I'm going to recuse myself. Yeah it was on this. I'M GONNA get my opinion and this is why to Captain Hunter. This is why I called the article regarding Steph on Clark. I tied it at blackmail hunting hunting. You're targeting it is what you're doing right. So you are actively consciously deciding and choosing that you need to get a gun to this person because they are aggressive they are to be feared they are X Y and Z. So it justifies the killing and not to mention what was it two and a half almost two and half months since this happened right right. So this is where I appreciate and love social media bringing to the forefront attention ride. What's happening what we wouldn't ordinarily see and be exposed to if it wasn't for social media and camera phones leaking videos and all that stuff talk about i. We touched on it a little bit but I won't talk about the trauma justification right. We talked about demonizing and dementia. How demonizing his past history right? Even the newspaper said a that he took a conviction for larceny or some nonsense and then at one time we talk about the pathology of always bringing up at least to my knowledge particularly in in these type of controversial questionable shootings but they always bring up the blackmails past history when he was twelve. He's stole a box of raise. Yes because they have to justify they have to justify why this person needed to be to be killed to be shot right so if we go back and look at anything in their record that can show a glimpse of behavior aggressive behavior Criminalized behavior or crazy behavior. That's the mental health piece. We can justify this was a crazy person who needed to be shot. And that's the psychology of it right so that folks can say that concept dissonance right okay. That's why if he wasn't going back to Trayvon Martin if only he didn't take that shortcut shouldn't have been on private. Property should just went and notice. The justification allows the narrative the shift from how many children hung walking home from school. I checked your pets right and that was acceptable. Take care who but shortcuts. That was bad. That was demonize was inappropriate. So therefore you shouldn't have been. There is the spin so so on the other side of the coin right. We have what happens to us. I think in the previous time you. I'm GonNa ask you again your this type of violent type of porn. What what does anyone study? What goes on in a white mind when this is going on those particularly who make these type justifications? Those who don't care don't empathize or we. We've talked about those who are stepping out and speaking up. But who is anyone looking at those who are justifying in what goes on in their brains because because it's obvious that they don't WanNa live in the world where this is happening to them? There's no way in the world the two that you and is black males going on in our neighborhood see some white guy going through that pickup are shotgun. Grab three fifty seven and go chased this. Guy Down Shoe. There's no come on this. This is not even a question. We'd beat arrested. You know we were already been convicted. Correct correct correct and and what goes on in. Their mind has already happened before they were born. That's the history and have been conditioned right throughout narrative stories images that play out that makes it okay so you have to remember that. This is seen as their property. This is their country right. We see the response to make America great again and trump supporters excetera. And so. If you feel like you've been told that this is yours and you feel like somebody's coming after that psychology is. I need to get mine. I need to get before somebody takes what is rightfully minds quote unquote right and so that allows for that disconnect in not seeing it the same because it's different because this is what people do right. Historically right. They say well. This is what they do so I need to do this. Because you can trust them. You know these domes themes whatever etc and so that justifies the psychology. Also it. Dr Join. The group talks about this around a post traumatic slave syndrome. But if you accept that you also have to accept the lineage it the lineage ride of what your parents your grandparents or great grandparents have done so if you see it as bad the now you're seeing your whole history as back right in your family. Because they did the same thing so it's it's overwhelming to accept the other narrative that is true. That's a really really valid point and I and I've often thought about and somebody I was thinking about it for a time. If somebody else had brought up the question is what happened to all those people who were If you look at the lynching postcards and stuff right. Those people were people's aunts and uncles and grandparents are probably still alive. Eighties and nineties right. Attendees lynchings right under the influencing and so therefore they'd never some people will never understand that this is wrong never understand this was bad and yet and challenges or or confirms what their parents and grandparents of thought what could stand on this right correct correct an if you look at the crowds and folks who are doing this. They're not old to right. And so I you know apart in this. Is the psychology piece for me? And I'll speak for south right for the longest time I would tell myself. Once generation passes on is the different. It's different generation generation passes on their die. Whatever folks are GonNa get it in a different way? Because they're not gonNa have that lived experience of doing this as white people to tobacco right. I needed to tell myself that. In order to give myself hole in a larger context outside of the Black Community that White folks are GonNa give soon as the the they're racist etc etc. A ANCESTORS DAHLBAECK. Ask on it but then when you look at what's happening and who these crowds are. They're young so then. The question becomes the dominant narrative that they're getting talk about the the trauma that the family is going to be facing. The mother could not watch the video. Listen I couldn't watch I can watch the venue either. After I broke down the video I was like I can't I can't watch this again So what's the mother going through the Family Not only for their own son. Yes talk about that but also just another as we mention Hashtag. Yeah and that's the pain back pain. And so the mother and the family that deep sorrow because excuse me it wasn't to an illness it wasn't until the covert nineteen right a virus it and because folks are not always recognizing it it's disenfranchise lost in grief too. Because where do you go right it yes? There's support groups and stuff like that. But how do you talk about that? How do you make sense of it happening to begin with riots and so I think one of the ways in which these families deal with it is through what we call in? Psychology as equal defense mechanisms supplementation so activism work themselves writing Speaking to other parents in people around what happened to them so that they can share their journey into other people's throughout this process and also stop it to begin with changing laws right around their activism. Work in how they're getting involved their local. You know in the city community larger dome larger political around and so we see different reactions as a result of this the back that deep sorrow that stays with them and it continues to play out That Sampras continues to play out and that's the the the piece that doesn't get the support and services to help with that Depression Ryan to help with that sorrow so it can really eat away at the individual in the psyche within the family system. Yeah I want to talk about that a little bit. What's the long term effects? It is for you for myself we talked. I think what we talked about can almost essentially be a short-term kind of thing. Right where hyper vigilant today? But what's the long term effects of this I know you know when I see that when I saw that thought about my son my son my daughter would sandra bland you know and just what's the long term effects of this high blood pressure etc etc. What what what's launch? You're touching on the long term effects early death as a result of what we're carrying in being exposed to am bats. Why if I may tie in covert. That's why we see the different responses of within the black communities low income black communities Not getting the healthcare services back. They should beginning testing etc and so it only exacerbates in highlights the racism disproportionality and disparity gaps in healthcare and so the result in long term effects of this is eating away not only at our mental health. But it's eating away at our physical health. So that's the high blood sugar. That's the depression. Bats the Suicidal box in attempts right. Because it staying with us take me out of this world. Take take me away from this. Stop the paying so we can see that happening as well. What could people do who don't have access to medical care and they still want to do something to self medicate and I'm not talking about drugs. I'm talking about do something to tear mind off or get better or not deal with this type of trauma because as you mentioned it will eat at us. Psychologically and physically. What is there anything we can do? Would you suggest if you don't have you can't get to a therapist? You can't Whatever what would you suggest guy so so then use like this social support. Social Media Support There's a lot of podcast that I'm seeing happening. Supporting families supporting individuals I to the church because we have a strong lineage in connection with the Black Church and how the churches are supporting in helping folks talk through and process. what they're experiencing so I see the healing. It centered around engaging with the community in social support. What that looks like. I think that's what we've always gotten our support as black folks is within our family systems side of our family systems within the community I think those are ways to do with to do it because we get to talk about. It began to share in express it and not hold onto the pain and hurt. There's one I don't know if you know her reluctant to say our name She's a black Political commentator and she kind of came out and did some twitter rant or facebook post or something along those lines and with the kind of went off on arbitrary and she received a lot of backlash from conservative. Might Concert Black Conservatives. Who said listen? This is not the case to go off on on our berry. What is the psychology of persons particular color? Who wanted to fend this type of thing? As you mentioned we're seeing over and over and I'm really anxious to see an Hashtag about we can't sleep. We can't barb. We can't what what what is what. What is what does the psychologist. Those type of persons they just in it for the money. Wh What's going on in their head. They can't see what everybody else can see. Yeah I think. Be a combination of pieces factors. That can play into that denial Could be. They're trying to get popularity in views and all that stuff react the piece. Is that the impact of internalized racism as a way as a means for psychological respite. So if I am internalizing this and therefore I have to justify. They must be doing this for a reason right. They must be getting killed for a reason. So in order for me to not allow back to overwhelm me. It's my fault. I have to justify the acts of the other person against bodies right that keeps it removed. Psychologically if I take that all in that means I'm next I mean it can happen to me right but the no no. That's too overwhelming right. So this is why that happened. I need to justify the action so that psychologically I can sleep at night in a powerful stuff man talk about we talked about. Colbert a little bit and I kind of WANNA shift. We talked about the harbor going. Let let's talk about Colbert. I had. I want to have someone from the Asian Community. Come on and talk about their psychological damage and trauma around being targeted yet in. So I did in having a professor on but he. He didn't talk about the psychology. W just talk about what's going on but did talk and I reached out to a number of different Asian Americans in two of them told me that they couldn't come on and talk about it because it's just too painful and so I'm trying to make light of the Asian experience shore. What this is. What black people do with all the time? And if ya. And it's almost like Bruce Willis in die hard. Welcome to the Party Pal What is talking about their their their response. If you know anything about Asian experience and talk about this how people are dealing with just depression around the Cobra virus all together no matter what raise me. We're all dealing with shut in can't go to a restaurant can't go to the beach etc. Yeah well I. I don't want to speak raisins right just like I'm not speaking for all black folks in all their experiences. But I definitely don't want to speak for the Asian population however what I can say. Is that for black folks. We have a long deep history of dealing with this type of stuff and so for us. We're like yeah we see okay. You next ragweed does happen to you. There's a part of that gets it because we deal with this ongoing and I think there is this narrative that's out there about Asian American Asia Pacific Islanders etc around the Motto Minorities. Right the model minorities and so if they are being hauling beep as model minorities when now they're being targeted right and I'm not saying now taken away from the the history of how Asian and Asian Americans have been treated in this country. There is a long history of that here as well. What specifically right now with over the past. Let's just take the past decade right the past ten years there there hasn't been this inundation with social media and seeing Asian brothers and sisters a being shot at wrongfully excetera like it has been for black folks and I am by no means trying to do the the racist oppression Olympics competition or what I am saying. Is that the reaction. Although the fear is the same for black folks in Asian folks and other other folks of color in who are marginalized but there is also a an awakening with this response is like how do we reconcile how do this right. I respond to this and it is extremely hurtful as you can see in. The businesses are hurting as a result for those who are owners of restaurants and spas and stuff like fat so not only are they taking Being attacked personally but also businesses are being attacked by naturally as well and that's also across the board Among other communities businesses Jobs and so forth. The second part of your question was how with the impact in? How are we responding to this The Kobe nineteen pandemic and we are seeing and we are going to continue to see ramifications of this cove in nineteen pandemic. And what I mean by that. We are going to see a increase in anxiety. Increase in trauma related reactions. Ptsd Increase in depression. We're going to see increased numbers in suicide and following through suicide. And so I think while folks are coming together there's a lot of resiliency that's happening As a response to how we're GONNA stay together and support each other as a community. There's also going to be some severe mental health reactions psychological impacts from decades on. How a response to this? Because this is this is twenty. Twenty Twenty Twenty. This is what twenty twenty s going down four and so when you think about that for time to twelve months. We know it's going to go past that. We are in a psychological and sociological. Study Right. Now we're in it rain it so so much of this. We are going to be finding out because things will never be the same right after this in. So that's what I believe is some of the reactions that were up to see. I definitely agree with you that this is going to be a study. I mean not to sound morbid but I know psychologists and sociologists as just said are going to have a field day with the your twenty twenty on from from everything. Talk about if you can if you know anything about the reaction of the white males hate to always sound racial trying to keep your stuff about cop stuff but it just goes there. The white males who are responding Michigan Minnesota storming the the capital with guns. What's what what the heck's going on with that. If you let me let me let me let me let me highlight something you just said because I think it relates to what we've been touching on a talking about and one of the themes that we've been focusing on throughout the this interview is psychological impact. Your response right now. I hate to sound so racial ratio. That's the psychological impact writing. Is that up for us and it goes back to what you were saying earlier. We think about reality is we shut him. Why people white males thinking to walk into the capital of the state capital with guns and weapons if that doesn't tell you about the site that psychology of their experience in privilege and white privilege and white L. Privilege in Weapon cheering pro. The fact that they weren't done down in dead before they even stepped on the pavement says a lot right there and it also highlights. That LASSOS can do that. We can't even job let alone getting a Gurney walk into the capital in their face right in so it also shows the Mar- JER system acceptance of this type of privilege right. So let let me let me just highlight one more thing coming short on time. But I'm in southern California and you know they closed our beaches and recently just opened them up with some restrictions for sure stowing plays and they were protesting right. Why folks was out there. Other folks were there too but majority were why folks were out there if that had been south central beach. Please believe me when I say this. The whole Beechwood have been shut down. Matter of fact they probably would have built over the beach to keep people from going there and doing because the mere appearance of black folks in black bodies demonstrates for White folks fear. It's not safe. Oh my gosh can you only imagine with the narratives and highlight and headlines with be if that was a black beach and we were out there protesting about open our beaches backup and that is so profound. Talk about this acceptance and You know that's what's going on out there in west coast over here in East Coast New York City. You probably heard about it and one side of the city. There were beaten down black people in cops bus heads in the same city on the other part of the city. They're passing out masks that part. The police were passing out masks part. You know and just to see this as just as you said the psychological and sociological implications of. This are going to be a field day for here for academics to to to show how long distances There was a lady who was in her group of her friends. Wanted to go to a park and in which this is an Idaho. They went to a park tour the they could run in the park but the kids went to plan the playscape so tore down the the tape that around police line. Don't cross tape tour down. Kids will plan on IT AND LADIES AND UPTAKE LADY. Taking an arrest. Because I don't want to do at this anymore Denver Or at least in Colorado some restaurant everybody's gathering in the restaurant because now as you match we can't do that and I think that that is just shows the difference. Yeah and I want to talk about the acceptance before before we move on the exception to this is is everyone is accepting that this is just the way it is. This is the status quo. This is just the way it is right and and just do people view it as if I give it to you. As African Americans or Asian Americans is taking away from me. I'm accepting of this right. Talk talk about a little bit please. When you say if I'm giving this to you get given you the the ability to to To be treated as human essentially right if if white white people can go to. The beach stormed the beach. No problems give out masks and Gary Nice Nice but if we give that ability to you is African Americans that does it seem as almost as if we're taking it away from us right correct correct and and that's what we see so if we do that because we can't save everybody right best best best the narrative Say everybody and even when they started doing the testing here in Los Angeles County. It was the more fluent populations and communities that were getting tested in access to testing and then when they looked at the numbers and look at the black and Brown communities. The numbers were higher but they weren't having access to testing or wasn't in their local community. Here we go again right so who we give it to the having the have nots. And WHO's deserving of life healthcare resources? Excetera it's also that that larger narrative so acceptance piece or active that the acceptance is also coping. This is also are coping right while it's grief reactions. We are doing these things to survive and cope whether it's being withdrawn. Whether it's hyper vigilance. Whether it's honor activism being triggered be are protective factors our grief in traumatic experiences which can also let me just bonus in here can also indicate that we are also experiencing. Depression both can be true. These can be a protective factors will be can also be harmed by. We'll be been exposed to psychologically staying with us so we've learned to protect hence why we always stay ready. You know America right. I stay ready right bathing pop off right right we're quits around with you. Don't feel right. I'm not going to don't seem rights. This is heightened for us hyper vigilance because of our history of having to ready do you see lasted question. Do you see any of this changing. Maybe this experiment of two thousand twenty can shed some light and we can get some real education to our schools in politicians and is any of changing or are we just going to be ready for another hundred years. Stay ready for one hundred years. I think that we're GONNA see more of this. Unfortunately because it's it's it's where we're at in where we've been but I also believe that there's going to be shifts. I think there's GonNa be shifts based off what we're starting to see happen. I think in order to do this and continue to push this along. We need to continue to have conversations best. We need to continue to go beyond having conversations like this action and activism work. And so it's GonNa take more than just talking about in In order for narrow changes and is going to have to include other folks look at me and you continue to move yeah. I think that's definitely key as far as other folks who don't look like you and I And They I've said this before and I'll say again is that they started this mess and then you have to. They need to finish. They need to fix it. I mean it's it's it's going to take them with activism them voting them sitting on juries sending their police officers to jail and all the of that we US wining in the not that we're winding complaining or whatever but but our activism are riding in the streets are protests are not doing anything we have to and I and I think that what you said is key as far as them seeing this kind of stuff whether there's Dr King in civil rights movement in sixty t television or today social media announced it. We're seeing activism. Things are happening. We want to see more than happening. Yeah so last question what you. What do you got what you start studying now or do you have anything coming up or you're going to be part of any type of study about. Kovic or about this particular incident or other stuff so I am for sure. Currently following the COVID pandemic specifically its impact on the black community and also blackmails I'm also in the process of a black man with advanced stage prostate cancer in a terminal diagnoses as well in looking at how. They're responding to their own or tally in dying process. Because I talk about a book is on reactions responding to other black folk by dying and so I'm shifting slightly to look at how black men are responding to their own death and dying. That's gotta be powerful stuff you know. I don't know if you know but I had triple bypass and that really kind of that really did something to me. Psychologically as well I was forty five almost two years ago now and to be told that If we don't do this operation you're going to be dead within a few days. Yeah had and that I can understand that. There is certainly a certain psychology that goes along with some words going into your to your system saying that the that it's almost over you know so that'll be interesting to read just to tie that back in to what we talked about as far as the. Hofu PLANT BASED DIET. You know There was a doctor. His name is Milton. Mills Black Doctor. He's got a shoe videos on YouTube. He talks about how dairy is linked to prostate cancer. and so he had a number of ankles who died from prostate cancer. Take you take he takes Prostate HEALTH AMONGST BLACKMAIL. Spirit very serious. I'm actually trying to get him on the show on ice so So that's it man. I really really appreciate you coming back. Man Great stuff powerful stuff. I'm glad you talked about. I wanted leave this offer. I'm glad that you talk about what we can do it. Especially for those people who don't have access to healthcare whether it's Getting involved going to church getting out listening to podcasts. Just just getting this information out there whatever they can do to have that. Cathartic relief release on. I think that that is really definit- definitely I appreciate you. Were invited me back anytime next time. Some positive we can talk about. How black men gold colleges or being better five good right took.

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#105 Hvem blir den nye lederen i Venstre?

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#105 Hvem blir den nye lederen i Venstre?

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Ep #130  Dawson Armstrong

Junior Golf Blueprint

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Ep #130 Dawson Armstrong

"What's up junior. Golf blueprint. Fans down the podcast. We have a local by now. Dawson armstrong currently out on the korn ferry tour jason's golf ball round. He was gracious with this time. Show up and sit down with me and talk what it's like going to chase that little white golf ball for a living and what it's like bouncing around minis and quite frankly the guy's got some serious game and watch the town record podcast you've just finished second and one of their events play very well so fun to watch as dawson continues his career in the corner ferry and pga tour networks. So it makes you remember the name and sure described to the podcast. If you're not watching issue you come out and check us out on you to have our chats and watch the two to channel for more great tips and content and i just got back from an awesome experience out in california shooting a bunch of great content. You guys so without further ado. Let's get to the show all right ladies and gentlemen today on the show. We got my man. Dawson armstrong the local legend. He's out on the korn ferry tour chasing it around right now just had a great finish by the way on that and played for lipscomb had an outstanding career lipscomb and just had to reach out and say hello especially if that last showing in first time meeting and face to face and thanks for coming in and do the show man dude. It's being what two days. Back in nashville. Yeah it's way to start the week. Had quite seventy degrees. Sit in a room and talk. Yeah great right Dawson how'd you get into junior golf. Man what is your start. So my dad was a mini tour pro but he he played golf for like eight or nine years realistically. Maybe ten and he went to q-school like nine times. Wow so he loved it right like he played high-school golf college golf at lipscomb as well. ended up playing pro. Golf moved from here to south. Georgia orlando like most pros do And you know he had he had may molitor brother younger brother and sister you know basically in the latter end of his career and we lived down in south georgia at the time and he just you know how it is. A dad ends up. You know say he was a basketball player in high school. He wants his son to play basketball. Yeah just big sport and he obviously knew a lot about the game of golf and he just kind of just got us out to golf course all the time. Well not my mom did but by the by his instructions basically it was like hey get them out to the course for. I'd say i started when i was like four or five just around whatever with my brothers and probably around ten or twelve actually started taking a little bit more seriously Not not to the point of. Oh yeah i'm gonna practice five six eight hours a day dream all years result. You're not thinking of a dream. You know you're trying to impress all your buddies at school or something but yeah that's that's how it was. My dad basically got me into it. When i was about four. Or five and yeah. That's all she wrote so far. That's awesome so you have an older brother younger brother and a sister down. Do they play as well. So my all yes. They did right like every every junior golfer plays some of them playing college right. Some of those guys play professional golf. my older brother dowling. Actually he was way better than me just way better than me. He won the store. The georgia high school state championship his sophomore year. In the spring we moved up to nashville in that same summer. Right and that fall. He wants state and tennessee. Holy crap yeah. Two times state champion in the same year but in less than five months. That's and so he was way better than me. And then my younger brother He played and he was a pretty short little kid but he could. Just he's straight he could put pretty well. We all three planet lipscomb at the same time really. That's awesome so there's not a big age difference then between now. My older brother was a a grade Older than me My younger brother was two years younger than me. Such yeah so two classes so we had a molitor brother red-shirted to so we had to. I think we have two years together. Actual was s se. What was that. Like having a 'cause i asked personally because my oldest and my youngest will be a great apart all right now then. I have my third on the way and he'll miss being in he'll be an eighth grade. My oldest is a senior right so the year. But what was all here if you're eighth grade son. While if you're young son will be being good right at sport maybe can like bump up and play together bosley. That's what that's what my younger brother davis did. Okay in eighth grade. He just came up and platelets because we were the three of the best four players on the team. Basically and yeah you can do that. It's it's a fun dynamic. I mean you obviously rooting for your brother. Right like because entertained on your team. Yeah obviously want to be like nine hole matches right right in high school we would get done and you know say Shot thirty seven whatever. And obviously we're playing a team like a rival school across down whatever and as soon as we get done. You know you're thinking okay. The first thing you're thinking is did we win the match right like you wanna win as a team. You also wanted to play while yourself but of all the other guys that are on your team. You're thinking okay. What what it darling shoot. A brother like what he did. I beat them today and usually he'd beat me like it was just he was he was way better right. Like that's just. That's just how it was and i mean he was he was really good. The dynamic was it was it was fine but once he left and went to college. I think that was when i could finally go. Okay now i can be. I'm not now. I'm not the little brother right now. i'm just me right. Let's see let's see how far that can go right. You kind of getting out of shadow and beyond being dawson. Dahlan's little brother. Yeah that's exactly what it was like. We moved up here my sophomore year of high school his junior year and once one st and he earned yeah and he also played basketball. He played soccer that year so he was athlete. Pretty good athlete. Jack of all trades basically sure and and and they saw me and you know he was a big kid like six foot two probably brown like two hundred and five pounds. He was just a big dude or so like you know he had that he he forced presence right and me being the scrawny little kid. High school maybe wait a buck twenty and they were like. Oh yeah. there's dealings little brother that's just target avoided so hard to avoid. It felt like once he left. Yeah once he left yeah yeah. Let's let's go practice. Let's go play. See how it goes and senior year of high schools. What changed a lot as what happened. Then how did how did you end up at lipscomb. What was the process. Yeah so my junior year of high school dowling was getting getting offers from schools. He was he had gotten offers. From memphis ole miss mississippi state and middle tennessee and lipscomb. Those were like his. When you boil it down there those schools so he wanted to go to sure and he. And i basically was telling my parents wherever he goes. I'm gonna go right. That was just what it was And it really came down to memphis and lipscomb. He was about to commit to memphis and once he found out that will brewer. The coach there now right Was going to be the head coach. She was like okay. I can't i can't leave right. I'm gonna stay here at lipscomb and then probably about a month later. i i. i had no clue what the term verbal commitment. So what i did. You're gonna love. This what i did. So there were these little recruiting parties. Little get together a bunch of recruits right and we were going to watch lips can play belmont in the battle of boulevard up there basically the biggest the biggest event in lipscomb athletics and he had a few seats for a bunch of recruits coming in and we were sitting in this room after having a little dinner. Whatever i stand up and go. I'd like to make a verbal commitment to lipscomb and everyone was like what are you doing. You have to like you. Don't have to proclaim it to like fifty people twenty people. All you had to do is just tell them like. Hey i'm coming. I had no clue what verbal commitment. So i just stood up and said hey i'm coming. I'm going to lipscomb great. I'm taking my talents to To nashville south beach and yeah to everybody else's went. I don't know this guy. Yeah coach brew has told me. Ever since he's like dos. I don't know why in the world you thought that was the thing. but i've never had someone verbally exclaimed. they're verbally committing. That's that's also the out. That's that's possibly the best story of been recruitment store. Oh i didn't i. I had no remorse for it at all but everyone else felt embarrassed for me. It's i had no clue so i was like. Hey i'm coming to lipscomb. They're like cool. Yeah right yeah. You're all excited. Everybody this clown exactly awesome so you had a great junior career as well in when you started getting into the into it. If you will right so i want to get competitive in the dream. If you started coming to light now what was like the catalyst you think what was like switch flip and said you know what i want. I want to do this a little bit. Yeah so in in high school. So i when we lived down in south georgia. We went to a school that had fifteen people graduating class every year. S small small really really small and funny enough so i played basketball down there with my brother and we were. I mean hindsight is a little bit more clear now but after time we were like in my mind we were really good basketball team and i played a lot and i thought well. I think i'm pretty good at basketball right like we. We knew nothing better. We were just a little. We used to know any better sure and we moved up to nashville and we went to lipscomb and you know at that time. Yeah if you had asked me. Hey what do you love more basketball or golf. I said just. I would always say just ask me in the foot in the spring and the summer or in the fall and winter right like the it. It was just that time of year. I loved that sport more than the other right so we moved up here and my spanish first year here. I just hated basketball. I hated showing up. Hey playing for this coach hated. Didn't only guys on the team. You know we definitely weren't as good as we thought we were. I basically sucked. And i found out and so after after a year of playing i was like you know what i gotta quit but those are the only guys. I knew the basketball team right. Because i didn't know anyone that next year since down was going to be a senior i was like well. You know we've done this. Our entire lives together. I still want to be a part of the team. So i became the team manager. It was it was horrible like a light like hey. I'm the guy that you know fills up the gatorade bottle your towel. Yeah here's a towel or like you know. Keep the stats or things like key. Get gerald basketball's together. It's like the most the most manure yeah the most mundane annoying things that you can do. I had to do a daily basis for these kids. That i hardly knew that. Were just like take my bottle. You manager you idiot. You work for me. I'll say this is the worst. So i did that for a full year. Selanne sucked and whenever. I quit basketball that year and became manager. It was it was not fun but that was when i realized okay basketball is put to the side. we're not gonna do that anymore. Gonna play golf for the gulf. Yeah that's what it was. And i basically practiced a ton Right there were still hoping may like after that junior year of me being manager. Let's let's try to give it another. Go playing basketball for this team. Because i was going to be a senior. I felt like i was going to have a lot of playing time and i came back to coach. Was like look you know. Obviously you're good like you could start. But i think i'm gonna start some younger guys because they they got a chance to be better prospects than you being a senior house like well screw it. I'm done i'm done now. i want. Yeah i walked out after that. And really that that seen the end of junior year whenever i was finally putting it behind me was when it happened and there was there was nothing getting in my way of practicing and playing again. Better like there's nothing like if it was dark. I sat out there with the car lights on if it was if it was sunday morning before church go play eighteen holes in like six in the morning. If it was a monday afternoon. I'd go out there and get in trouble every monday. And just the things that it was basically things that would push the barrier right It would really. It would really push the barrier of okay. What does he think he's doing at the time. It was really dumb. Right kid goes out there and practices dark or what kid wakes up at six o'clock to go play golf before they need to be somewhere at ten. Like like you don't do that. I was out there before the guys were cutting the greens and i got in trouble many times. Like yeah like dude. You can't be out there before the mowers before the more like before members may we can let you go whatever bill like. You can't be out there before the mowers like well. Sorry i gue- that's all. I knew all i knew was. How do i get better. And that's what i did. That speaks a lot. Because i think there's a lot of kids don't realize how much sacrifice has to be given to that next level right you know and and in this day and age. There's it's a lot harder to find the kids that are willing to to push through the hurt push through the the lack of time with friends or video games or whatever and and like what you're saying is very similar to what i did. Obviously i ended up here coaching versus. You're out there playing right so one of us did it right. But the the the element of sacrifice that has to go into that is what separates the kids. Make it to the next level onto the next level the ones that yeah and not to sound like an old grandpa or anything but like the the phones right here. The biggest problem honestly. It's because think about this anytime. You want something right there you find it right here and anytime you want to talk to your buddies. There's there's no there's no disconnection right and that was the thing that in order. That's the thing. I needed to understand and actually lost that a little bit and have started finding again but like you need to have that little bit of disconnection because because in order to be really good at something you have to be isolated Like you cannot. You cannot try to have other people around right whenever you're trying to do something really good right right. And and and a lot of kids nowadays. See the instant. The instant gratification right like like i want to look up something boom. It's there. i wanna talk my friend. It's right there. I'm gonna talk to him or that. You think the answer a text. It's it's instant right and in in golf in sports. I it's it's it's so it's such a slow burn right laden like what i try to do is just to give the example slow burn. It's every year at the end of the year. I try to honestly evaluate myself and go. Have i gotten better in the last year right because if you look at it as a day to day thing cow like the the phone you know you you you look at the results immediately and you're just going to go crazy and you're going to become so annoyed with golf because one day shoot sixty eight and be stoked about how you played next day. You'll go on. She's seventy six right like it happens. All the time and kids get frustrated. Totally you know and it takes to be good at something you gotta you gotta be willing to be by yourself a lot and that's something that that's something i realized in high school and you know obviously going into college whatever but like i was just well the only thing on my mind was how do i get better right right in kids. All have this whole you know. Hey i like playing golf right. I think i'm pretty good at it That's that's going to get you to a decent school but that's about it right. There's a big difference between being pretty good at it and being elite at something. And i think when you're saying they're the slow-burn great way to put it down. I couldn't think of better way to say it because that's exactly what it is and to make us look for gasoline on the fire that sparks it up and then it is funny because back in the day we this. This is dating me twenty. I can't wait. Yeah you used to say that used to be like a fire around like you know what. I mean like you like you shut. Your career did was say right. That was your career round and best great way to make that expression of like anybody can put together for one day. Yeah right. And i think you know when i it's always amusing because i've had a lot of these conversations about kids that wanna play golf golfer. Play college golf. And then i'll sit there and look. I haven't practiced in four months. And you can't sniff the beating me. Like i hate to break your heart but i'm only good to teach you. I'm not even good enough to go play out right and that's what that's my always my constant reminders. Anytime do something kids are kind of like. How'd you do that. I just want everybody to remember. I suck. I'm not good enough to be on television. So that is really. That's funny but i think you know at the same time though right. It's like that in any sports psychologists it's about the journey right in joined journey and enjoying the process because the win never satisfies that urge. I it might satisfy terribly right or a top finish. Right fills the bank account but it doesn't. It's like as soon as the next day you wake up. It's kind of like back to work. Well that's that's something like like last week i had i would. I would like to say that was the best week of golf well when it comes when it comes to money making or world ranking points just by the numbers. That was the best week of golf. I've had in my career and that's also the most mad i've been right like fine. I was because. I don't like you don't care about if you're if you're really concerned about how much money is in your bank account or what your rate than you're not doing it further ri- reason right right. That's like i was so i was obviously happy for the guy that beat me but i was so i got i was i was more and more and more pissed off right as as the as the car ride home went on as i went home that night. It was about a twenty four hour period. Where i was like. Oh yeah. I'm really happy for him second. I could've made that play. Crappy made that i'm starting to replay things my head start getting pissed off that three-putted blast hole in pissed off the map puddle. Playoff often go in and it's just like it's burning right. I'm like really just mad erkan. Yeah i'm like sky for took a win from me like like i deserved like you start you start getting that. That's the slow-burn. That's what part of your competitiveness. Though right yeah. I mean that's it. You made a great point there that the guys at make it on toward obviously everybody situation's different but the ones that worried about the paycheck automatically make their day a lot harder. Yeah because if you're if you're more worried about how much that that putt is worth than what it actually means to win or to you know. Get the points you need to get inside their hot ten money list or whatever. Yeah that's that is another level of just pilot crap you got. Yeah it's an it's an added layer to just is added layer to the mental turmoil. Golf puts you in anyway right like why would you put more stress on yourself win. Golf is hard enough totally. Like you got a seven footer. With five hundred people watching why would you think about anything else other than making that pop. Don't worry about what else they house listening. It might have been stephen fox on virgils. Podcast just did one together. And i was listening to that and they and they talked about their steven mentioned how when he played with impulsive bubba watson at the at the masters Yeah and he's like for those guys. It's like an everyday thing. It'd be like him playing for hundred hole at the at the country club. Yeah you know and but for them pay for a two million dollar check at the end of the four day we afford a week is like just another life. And i think obviously the first day show up. This question is going to the first day you show up versus having a few years of experience. How does that feeling. Walk into the first tee on thursday. Or how does that change for you as you've played on the on the So that's that's a. I feel like. I get nervous a lot over almost almost every first tee shot. I'm pretty nervous right right like you got us. You need to be right percent. I mike last week. This i hold. The tournament is like ninety yards wide. I e shot obese ninety yards right like you've got to. You've got to almost missed the ball to go out of bounds and there's nothing there right. It's easy right. And i hit my t sean. I was about ten yards out of bounds. I mean i fricking i. you'll cut it bad. I look at my caddie and go. Hi we're good we're done we're done with finally were off like benchmark behind you. Yeah and then like that was in every single day. I start on the other side the next three days and it's par for bend or to the right with water all the way down the right and basically if you hit it right. You're routine. I was so nervous over all for all three of those shots And i'm really nervous. Because i understand like for me. I want to hit that shock right and everyone has that everyone has that little bit of a nice t- down calls all day of ti-time calls here. Yeah that's funny. Where was it. Oh that i've played in beside the point. I'll i'll go on a little rant about that in a minute. You're gonna love. But i was nervous a very shot and the reason. Why is because you want to perform well and also you're in a position to wear every shot is magnified right so me going out there. Having those nerves is really good. Sure no matter. No matter like playing for the money it could the person could have been multiplied by ten Could have been split by ten. I would have been just as nervous no matter what because the goal is to go out there and worry about the money if you play. Well money's going to be flown into the account no matter what hundred but if you don't play well the mate lashley putz. Yeah yeah trip. Eisenhower was on golf channel. That next morning going mate lashley had to be thinking about the money just flown out of his bank account. And i'm thinking if he's thinking about that he's not in that position to start with right. Yeah i mean it's it's it's what i tell. The kids is like i try to replace a word nervous for excited. Yeah right like you're you're not nervous. You're excited that you've asked why you're feeling the butterflies in the stomach. That's why any made another great statement there about how you want to do well right. It's you're you're amped up. You're feeling the jenner's because you want something good to come from. And that's the only reason why is kinda in there. Yeah and so. This is like that feeling should never go away like that feeling will be there. It'll come and go around right like you might be halfway through the last round of the of the state junior. Am man you find out. You got like a three shot lead. Guess what your motion gone changed. Perea darn quick. So it's it's not something that i've talked to a lot of parents wants to. It's never this flat rollercoaster now. It's always this wave. You're constantly fighting us if you're if you're if you're on a flat rollercoaster you're riding in a car hundred percent and what's more fun riding roller coaster riding in a car. I ever says that. Whoever says that you shouldn't have up and down emotions doesn't know athletics right totally like you need to get excited when you play. Well you need to get pissed off when you play poorly. Because that's what keeps you going right well and you made a great point about how when you when you had ride home after sunday in losing the playoff right. It started right. There's there's plenty of people think like that's bad. It's not bad as long as you don't like let it run away from you and you check your emotion right like yes get upset but then take whatever is making you mad the out where the problem was the leak and plug the hole and get it fixed if you just let it eat at you and then it becomes an excuse and you find excuses. Why didn't win while the one if you didn't make that putt don't want if you didn't hit it to six. Yeah i mean yeah. There's been i mean in those scenarios right like the last last day i three putted really really tough to pod by i. It's one of those things where i'm this. I'm in this kind of middle ground. Because i was really tough. Like fifty footer up over ridge and onto a flat. And i put. I thought i put to really good roles on it Clear mind thought. Did everything did everything. I thought i could write the ball. Just didn't go in. So i'm in this. I'm in this between i'm between the zones of do i get mad because i ended up not performing or do i blame it on things outside of myself because i know i did what i needed to do right in and i haven't figured that out yet because the competitive side of me goes i don't care how well i thought performed. It wasn't good enough right right right and the whole process side goes well. You did what you thought you should do. How how can you be disappointed yourself for doing what you thought was right so i haven't figured it out yet but well that's where it's gov is poetic a lot but the putting is one of those ultimate ones where you think you just said there you saw you you hit the line. You thought was correct. You hit the speed. You thought it was correct. And it didn't pan out. It could have been spite mark. It could have been a ball mark. It could have been. The grain was going the other way and so a lot of times. What i'll tell kids is like you know we control everything up until the ball face. Yeah that's that's when we become a spectator with everybody else. You have to sit back and watch so as long as you can. Go back on your checklist. Say i executed everything to the best of my ability. Then yeah i. You cannot get upset about that right and if the ball doesn't bounce right way ball spin the right way and you know. Release the way thought then. That's a data collection air. Yeah right and that is true. That's a good way to put it. And that's where you have to analyze your data collection process when you when you saw like in your case with a two-putt right. If there was a speed problem then now we have to sit back and go. Okay win that speed. Didn't pan out the way i thought how. How did i perceive it. How do i need to see in the future. Right or or did i miss looking at the grain was grain role in different whatever. Oh yeah it's a lot of data it's not a performance problem then right if you if you if you can look back or at least i didn't think it was a performance right. Yeah so i mean. I think that's where. I had a kid this year and he's on earlier. Episode has come out before yours but he shot nine hundred in the state tournament right for high school. Lost four came in third. You go back and look at any other year. You shoot nine hundred. Oh yeah it's a winning. It's a winning shot five under your that. I win a playoff chef. Five under and lost right in the playoff. Exactly right douse it. As though i mean nine hundred wins the narrow wins nine out of ten years not this year and yet to other beach right so just you can't a again for him. It was the best term ever put together right. He shot five hundred of the second round four in the first round so we actually got better in the second round so performance. Wise always have said great. There's not sell right. So now you have a new peak and now you have something to strive towards closer to that more often than ninety guy find yes go put sixty four sixty five instead of sixty seven sixty eight now. Let's see what you got next right. That's true so you know going from college to the tour golf right one of the things that a lot of guys i've talked to about. Is you know when you're in college. You have the coach the coaches they're six am workout. Yeah practice today at three qualified on friday. Whatever and then now you graduate and you go to the tour now. Dawson's got to do it on his own. What would that get check on. Yeah so i. That's a good question. I so it wasn't. It wasn't really an in college for me if there were six am workouts. I made sure. I was there right if we work out that day and i felt like i needed to. I worked out that day if we didn't have practice but the weather was fine. I went out and practiced it was. What the coaches did for me was the benchmark to maintain the level of play. That you have In order to get better than what you are you have to go a step further. And that's something that i felt like. I did pretty pretty well. Because i was gonna say this earlier. There are guys that are really talented. Probably like you look at the year that i graduated scottie. Scheffler who's always been great wills outdoors. Best ball striker. Ever met solid the best. There's there's no better ball-striker than him period. I don't care who you put them up against. i don't care. Flush it verse. Dustin johnson will win every time right every time Who wasn't doug almost one. Usa am Like a may guys have some natural talent right some do. I don't feel like i was one of those guys that had that natural talent right right the ability to strike the ball solid every time. It just goes where you want it to right so for me. I knew really quickly. That i either one was gonna practice. The amount of the coaches wanted me to and be a pretty good atlantic sun golfer. Right did major golfer probably be probably be around hundred. Maybe eightieth ranked player in the country. And something like that. Nothing anyone's going to bat there. Or i'll work my butt off and focus on golf as much as i can and get ready for the next step right. And that's that's what i felt like. I did in going into pro golf. I at the beginning almost saw as a. Oh now plan for money right. Okay if i make a good week. If i have a good week i can take the next few days off. I can relax. I could be with my friends a little bit interesting and and that was a horrible way to look at it Because i'm a big. I'm a big. Yes guy right. Like i i will go if like after i won my weekend candida two years ago virgil ask me on the podcast that next week and i knew and like i had a bunch of people. Ask for dinner. You know. go play golf with them and their friends and just be like. Hey look we got to celebrate you winning. And i fell under the i fell under the spell of. Oh yeah i did do well. Yeah right right yeah. Let's celebrate and that was. The rest of the year was horrible after that horrible. Because i didn't take it as this is what we're here for. This is what we're here for. You don't go to college to play good college golf. You got what i've said. Is this when you go to college. ed done. i don't care. I don't care what you do if you're going to be an engineer. You're going to be a pro athlete. You're going to be a teacher whatever you do college. Is there for you to become an expert at what you want to do. Hundred percent for me. I didn't care that much how school and people are like wind. You take school more seriously. I go because that's not what i was there for. I was there to become an expert. At what i want to do. And i mean. I still passed on a classes made. Bc's as whatever whatever the spectrum was right. And but i knew what was. What was i doing studying for two hours or going practicing for two hours right. I know for a fact. Studying isn't gonna get me furthering what i want to do. That doesn't mean don't study right that that doesn't mean that all right but go go do what you have to do to get better at what you want to do. Totally and that's something that i did and i didn't do it well enough. My first few years of being a pro and now now after that stretch two years ago now year and a half. I finally understood that. Hey you better take it seriously. The weeks off And that's something that i wasn is prepared for in college. I'm now a lot more prepared for. Because i'm like i said i'm a yes. Guy being a being a professional requires you to say no to a lot of things. And that's the biggest difference. Yeah and and that's definitely a horror like it's definitely hard to you know. Feel like you're gonna let somebody down by saying no to something right at the same time you know what you were saying there about studying in school and all that like i in college right you take you take fifteen hours diet and then you have populated limits. How many hours you can practice officially as your team team. Yeah right so that's thirty five hours so you're not even pulling a fulltime job between your education and your classes and what your coach is allowed to officially put on the docket so then you have the other however may hours left in the week to figure it out right so maybe there's projects studying whatever. Yeah minimum requirement to get through that and then the rest of is going to goof off with your buddies or are you going to put the work in and to be fair right everybody point where you need a breeder. Yeah oh yeah absolutely and so. That's where we are weeks off right people active recovery's and stuff like that just took a week off doesn't mean you have to completely hit the brakes on everything. Yeah so that's something like I was listening to interview with jillian element And he and they asked him like when you were with. Tom brady might to ever have like days off like did jaw ever stop working. It was like of course we did. But who wouldn't who wouldn't need time off david. Goggin 's that chasm for david audiences a free another topic like an element was like. But when i took my time off it was premeditated right. I knew that this day was going to be off. I knew that i could go as hard as i wanted for. X. amount of days. But when this time came i it was it was it was a job from shutdown my mind and that's something that i've tried to to like like i told i told my a strength and conditioning coach down in Down silent I said look. I've got four weeks that. I want to peek Physically sarasota which was last week Nashville which is in seven weeks from now. Eight weeks from now Wichita and omaha Two other tournaments. I want to be as prepared as i can. And if comes with a trade off of not being prepared for other events that's fine if that comes with the price of being exhausted after the tournament. That's fine. I can take the time off but when you take the time off understand that you will have needed to work that much harder to get ready for what you got ready for right and then you can take the time off and relax your mind right like you said it's active. It's active recovery totally and that's that's what it is and that's what you know the tiger right because the tire now all the tour players focus on the majors right and their schedule now revolves around five tournaments and if the first one is coming up in a couple of weeks right the players then you have the masters you have. Us open and then pga. And that's what the any it was rare. He never saw phil play in the prior to the right and then all of a sudden they start playing southwind yup in the sometimes scheduled changes but at the same time everybody's planned to prepare to peak is different right and it was funny because i was listening to hire you. Just have the wreck. And so i've had the golf channel on as i can bear it. They were talking about how some of the guys on tour right now like you're your bryson's aurora aren't at peak level yet in their two weeks out from the first big event. Yeah yeah i mean so. There's like all right. What know what calculations do what. What adjustments are you making. Where's the loopholes where you got to figure out and and you know people talk about peaking in. It's it's always when i talked to kids about. They're always kind of intrigued by it. Because it's like what do you mean when you pay. Well you're laying out your preparation now for that event. That's for kids. Like maybe the is your. That's yeah that's that's the term that you need to be prepared for right and so then you get you. Get your practice round done early. Go play early. You then spend the next three to four weeks hitting the shots. You know you're gonna hit at that event not hitting shots just hit at hill-wood last weekend you know what i mean. And that's where i think. The bread is always interesting. So when you're out on the road and you're trying to keep your body and your mind healthy and you're playing like four weeks in a row how are you scheduling your time so that you have. Maybe monday off or or that. You don't burn out because there's a lot of people don't realize how much gall four zero is editorial. Oh my goodness it's twenty eight days. Yeah right twenty eight straight days with you might get two days off maybe depending on depending on if you wanna take a travel day off but you're still travelling so is it really a day off me going into sarasota last week. To give a little perspective on sarasota the fairways a really wide really wide. The greens are really sloped. Greens fast in off. The greens are a bunch of bermuda. Bunch of runoff. Bermuda fairways writing. So i i do not care about what the conditions were. I made sure that i was able to hit the ball solid off the face with driver which on such line holes. That's all you need Right you don't need to hit it within a five yard gap like do it some other tournaments yell out for a lot of wiggle room but the most important thing is to catch it off the face. Another thing was. I practiced into the grain chips. A ton a ton. I practice being. Ill hit the ball saw off the face on iron shots because with sloppy fast greens. You can work. It awesome slopes more. You gotta make sure you put it in the center of the green where you can work your way to the corners. Things like fat. Like whenever i was getting ready for the tournament i like. I played three mini torments. Cutting all three before the before the tournament started. I played in three in a row every every other week leading up to it sick. Like five weeks out three weeks out a week away. I missed the cut by a lot going at all three of them. I missed the cut by a lot which mentor the worst. Let me just the worst for any kid who thinks that professional golf is going to be just sunshine and rainbows. You're so wrong okay. Whatever but i got ready for those. And i missed the cut by a lot But i knew that. I was getting closer to what i needed to be prepared for. I was willing to have that trade off of missing cuts in a mini tour event. Right where i'm playing against guys. That don't have status at. I feel like. I'm better than on a very consistent basis and you know that that's a shot at your pride a little bit being like. Is this guy beating me right now. I know i'm better than them right. But it's it took a little bit of discipline to go. Don't worry about that work on what you need to work on. Get ready for that big tournament and also like you're asking about the monday through wednesday monday through wednesdays are a grind to because you you need to have a very specific detailed plan about what. You're doing that day right like like for me. Last week. they did pro-am nine holes on wednesday and usually they're eighteen this this tournament particularly there was nine holes. I knew i was playing the back nine. Okay i'm aplenty the front nine on monday workout. In the morning go play nine holes and tuesday. Get out there early about two hours early. Go practice work on putting and chipping and just hitting the ball. Solid work on my swing a little bit. Go play eighteen holes. Get off the course Don't wear your body down anymore wednesday. I hit balls for about an hour and a good amount and went and played nine holes. Had fun right. Because because i'm going to have fun but it still me prepping for the term it by relaxing the mind right like you got whatever you do. You've got to make sure you have a reason for doing it. You can't just you don't need to just go blindly into a week and say well. How am i feeling right. What what do i need to do this week. You need to know what works for you. And what gets you prepared for. Thursday to sunday now. That's very true mean relaxing. The mind right i i. There's a guy in town that does Hypnotherapy right down rain One virgils buddies in. I went and saw him back at work. Yes surprisingly yes there to make a long story short i went in there walked out after two hours and felt like i had just gotten fifty pounds lighter like it was the most bazaar experience and but what he taught me was like meditation right. The tire was had no did hidden hypnosis and meditate when you meditate. And you're trying to relax your mind. You have to start that with purpose right so like the point of meditation today is whatever like in too many people just think is sitting in a chair an empty room and just close your eyes for ten minutes. I know you still have to put your mind through the process and like focus was a really cool tool for me. Have you ever dabbled in that. Play with that little thing. I haven't met so it's it's it's tricky because it doesn't teach you how to get into the zone quote unquote but it shows you when your brain's not in his own right so that was talking about getting angry and pissed off right. I put this version iron together with the with the with the inventor of it right now we strapped to thing on our heads app on your phone. I'm staring at it and virgil instantly. Goes into it right. Because he's been working with steve awhile and i'm sitting there staring at the screen and this is like blank elliott virgils and birtles just like humming away. And i'm like what the hell. Why can i not take the green and i. I spent an hour and a half to stare at my freaking phone trying to learn how to get in the zone or whatever. I was struggling. And like i had a headache. He's worked as your brain when we're talking about workout my brain and so it's you know there's there's enough mental exercise but was always interesting to me with the the focus and the meditation port was in the morning. I was really always really able to get into a deeper state that really quick. And so you know they have rating of five hundred right and so if you're at one hundred and you're like unconscious micheli. But then after teaching seven hours eight hours a day get home and i would sit in the cash and try and do it. It was like. I couldn't get to like fifty i as i could see that it was a struggle and for me it was just like learning how to meditate anyhow. My bryce and what was crazy was for me. Everything started to feel like started to find like the purpose of it. And i what i wanna do and people go to those flow tanks ever done flow tank. Yup yup. i haven't done it yet. It's on the it's on mutt to do list but the friends i've had do it have said it's like it is an experience for like a reset mama base. I went in there. Did it for an hour came out. And i was like mission mission. I was like. I need that in my life. Let's pretty good some. I mean. I think well i think you know it. We're we're at golf now. The the quality is so good. You're talking about everybody can strike good. It's pretty much how how close you're gonna hit the whole. And how many plus can you make. This is going to win it away. And i think this is my personal for the next level of golfer to emerge it has to come from the brain because physically we have more data now available. How the body. Oh yeah absolutely. I mean you look at no kidding. Every single week you'll see a quarter of the field. Have their track. Man's right reloaded. You're able to dial in the distance that you're seven. Hundred goes one hundred and eighty yards out there within three inches within three inches. like crazy. of course people are going to get better. You're able to look at a track man. Now see how low. You're putting stroke. Is you have these rails. Now that tell you exactly what a putt does from twenty feet right you. Have you have a whoop ban. Now that tells you what your heart rate is a night or how. Well you slept. The margin of error is so small now between first place and fifth place totally. It's so small. There's you have to find another realm that ends up giving you an edge hundred percent do you feel like the when you're talking about the mentor stuff versus at the corner ferry. Do you feel like the the difficulty of the course. Plays a factor into. Hallo these guys go so like you know saying this may toward vessels guys go out and shoot like golf. Courses are joke says that i've tried to explain a few kids like it's almost harder to make it on the mentor circuit. Because absolutely somebody every week is gonna shoot twenty under. Yeah because the okay to put into perspective. If i were to have if there was a mini tour event at brentwood country club. Right not a hard golf course if we add the conditions right now very score with the same with the same field as say a mini tour event that i played down there. I'd say for three days. The winning school would probably be so talked. Depends a little bit seventy six. Twelve nineteen hundred nineteen hundred would probably win maybe twenty So tony underwood. Winning three rounds john. It would probably go like this. Twenty under eighteen under seventeenth sixteenth. Sixteen would be the top five six within four shots at a place like the grove. The grove north. If you had the same kind of players Three rounds say twelve right when right twelve would probably win and then it would go. Twelve ten nine eight seven The separation happens on tougher courses. because not everyone can hit every fairway not everyone can hit good iron shots within fifteen feet. Not everyone can get up and down from tough spots at br at a place. Like brentwood or these mini tour courses. The separation doesn't happen right. If if you have a decent day with wedges you can shoot six or seven under every time. That's the difference between that and korn ferry courses where you gotta have at least three or four parts of your game. On in order to win or being contention it used to in mentor courses. All you need is one really. All you need is one right to maybe like. That's my thing with many toward courses. And that's why. I think korn ferry mackenzie toward a good job with it to pga tour courses. They just they challenge more parts of your game and it exposes the best players right. That's why that's why it's a pga. Tour saint joan event totally. I mean that's been my like with the tour. And everybody's everybody's getting in this whole like hitting into far thing again like two thousand five with tire and monte looks like look what happened at the. Us open right. Look what bryson did. He was the only man under-par right but he also was able to slash out a nine iron from seven inch deep rough when nobody else could muster that. No one can do it right. Oh but it put it. Put a premium on being able to hit the fairway. If you can't get it out of that out of that stuff and that was something that even like the tire was known for back in his heyday was that he could you mean. There's highlight reels like with six inches of grass rally. Just slashing it out of there and hit it on the green. Oh yeah yeah crazy. And so you know when when you're when you're out playing on the on the tour and you're watching you know you're playing with others other tour professionals. You'll what european on the distance avenue in where the tour heading as far as you know what. What do you think's right and should we keep the distance out there. Do you think people want you guys went crazy low. Do you want to suffer. And that shoot on now to make a tougher. What do you need more water. No do you need to make these bottleneck fairways to where people that hit. Three hundred hit every fairway and the guys at three thirty hit fairways. No you don't need that. Just pinup trees like if there's okay winged foot right. It's this tight if you miss the fairway and certain spots if you missed on the right side the trees in the way the thing that makes the the bomb and gouge you know. Everyone said that about the us. Open the reason. Why i think having some trees in places is because if you bomb out there and you have good technique and you hit good fine. You're supposed to play well. But what's the art in that. That's all science right. I just hit a fairway yet. green right. If you miss a fairway at winged foot you would just slash it. You could and you didn't have to worry about where the ball went because it will go somewhat close to where you wanted to put a few trees here and there you gotta hit these low punt shot sliders or these like little hydraulic hook shots around a tree. Things like that. it creates the it creates the. What's right oh my goodness it. Just forces you to be more creative with forces you to be more creative Instead of just stepping up and going all right just slap it out there and see what happens. Yeah that's what. I think i don't think putting more bunkers is important because people are getting better on balkars totally. I don't think it's. I don't think it's important to tuck more pins. I don't think it's important to make courses fifty yards longer on every hole. I just played that course. And i three holes in sarasota four fifty five forty. They moved us up to five point. Four to fifty three first reels today. And you're sitting there going. Why it three would partner. Yes no kidding fracture. On three would yeah. A little into the wind. Bombed bonded to pin high well and mcgill jimenez. Had an interesting quote last week. He said that the number of the easiest solution is to reduce the number of clubs from fourteen to ten and then and now that'd be yeah right and it's also caddies sure helped everybody that the commentator of they're trying to figure out what club and if you only got ten to pick from i think that was. That was interesting point. I had never thought about. And i thought it was john either and i was like okay. Now you get fourteen. The club right. Why why is that the number so if you go from fourteen two and now you've got now you have to have to decide. Okay you know. Where am i pulling. Yeah four clubs out of the bag. Maybe i don't need five wedges edges. Think about how much more strategy you would need on the course. Well shape it better to you. Have you have to sixty five to front right pin. And you've got either a club that flies straight to sixty five and you can go over the green or you have called the flies to thirty right thirty five yard gap and you're thinking. Oh shoot i. Let's been this sucker. Dan one way or that way. That's a really good point. It'd be interesting to see happen in. I don't think it'll ever happen now. I doubt it but it would be interesting to see if it did. Because i think you know it would want it would kind of force because like right now trying to fit somebody for golf clubs as a teacher. Professional is a nightmare. Because i giggle. Because i have kids now that ten miles an hour slower than me. They're hitting as far as me because they're seven hundred five are know what i mean and it's like no anyways sides but now if that were to happen to be the case right in terms didn't play ten clubs the gap between closed. Be an interesting argument because now you have these at thirty hours between steaks and you had to figure out hit the longer club. Did donald short and as a junior coach. I can tell you. There's not enough genetic that know how to do that now. I mean it's very hard element so when like when you're out practicing and headed to the in the show. But i wanted to get this one in for the kids. Like when you're out practicing and you're and you're trying to Assess the weaknesses in your game right or learning how to or learning a new shot to strengthen that part game. What's kind of like what's your approach to making those changes and when do you feel confident enough to implement that into that well for a for a junior golfer to very specific about talking to junior offer you need to first identify what part of your game needs to be fixed right like understand it. If you don't enough fairways go work on your swing. If you blade a bunch of bunker shots spend all day in the beach. i don't care just go right and if you feel like you're putting isn't good from inside five feet go practice putting until you can't move your legs anymore. Just figure figure out what makes what's making what's holding back your game and i've always heard you now. Some people say working what you're eighty percents. Time what you're bad at twenty percent of the time. Why why okay. There is both sides to it. But i think if you can become good at everything. No one's ever going to be able to find a weak spot. Ever right my my weakness right now in my mind is i feel like my short game while my pitching on tight lies has to get better. I feel like i'm really good. The rough great out of bunkers. Just as tight lies identify what. You're bad at. Identify what you need to get better at figure out what makes what makes you hit it. Well not just not just did you hit that one. Well not just go out there. Put a buy bag down and go. Let's just hit them. Until i hit a good and hope that two thirds of the number. Good right you go out there with a very specific intent of okay. Here's my setup. Here's why i need to be right for the shot when it comes. Put yourself in the toughest possible into the grain. Basically mud if you need to. If you're on the range go go hit out of some. David's i don't care go learn how to if you're bad at driving learn how to shape it both ways if you need to If you're bad at putting go pot one hundred three footers in a row and make them all things like that. Give yourself a challenge. Because and that's something that i always try to do. I never go try to practice the easy shots. Who cares about these shots right. No-one no-one freaks out when when someone makes a two footer for par right. No-one freaks out about that right people freak out when you hit a good bunker shot thirty yards over a tier two atop pin. That's what people forget about. You've got to become you've got to be so comfortable in tough situations that when you are in that situation on of course if that'll probably be easier then you can step up until confident of what you're doing. Yeah i mean. I think that's that's a great example of making your practice harder than the play much harder right absolutely and that's a that's i remind my kids all the time like your practice should feel more difficult than being out on the golf course. Golf course should be the easy part. Absolutely and i think you made a great point there. Like nobody is wigging out. You tap in for even a tap-in for birdie but you hit a shot that everybody's constantly go man. He's in jail where you just put that on the. Yeah exactly and so what. What's your barometer for your comfort zone when you learn a new shot and you put something in your bag like how good you have to be at it before you feel like you can trust and on the golf course you kind of throw yourself into it. You know what. I mean like trial by fire. Yeah on like for like that. Chipping whole thing. That i said once. I feel i feel like i get that one shot. That's into the grain really tight and just nip it to three bosses and stop right. Once that happens all anxiety is going to go away. Nice right it's going to happen right or younger shot. You've played it a lot of them or you just can't get out you get in there. You feel good and you cutest hit one really solid your past it. That's what it's trial by fire like. You said you got three yourself into it right. Yeah i think there's lobby willing willing to fail. Like that's what i was going. Be willing to mess up who cares. that's that's the biggest thing. I see holding kids back the the the failure. The fear of failure overrides their willingness to succeed. And so because of the fact that it could go wrong. Attempt like you have to try. And you know jordan. Michael jordan has one of the best every he'd lists like how many miss shots he's had. How many game winners. He's missed and whatever he's still the goat and batch out right. And i think that's where you know when you learn something new you still have to have a comfort zone with it enough to even attempt it but then at the same time you have to attempt it when it matters might fail. It's just part of our the hustle. It good yeah dawson when we wrap this show up right now in in you look back at a younger version of yourself. Who wants to play on the big screen. What advice would you give yourself now looking back six years before you made this caller. Go play on tillerson. I would've i would've learned out of learn to said no more. That's what i wanted to learn. I mean i feel like the. The work ethic. Hasn't gone away the the relationships. I don't feel like destroying your relationships along the way You know. I still practice hard as i. Can you know my teacher. The details gotten better obviously as a high school golfer. Utd to listening to be that great. It doesn't need to be used. Need to go out and love what you and i would. I would say learn. I figure out if you love it or not why you do that. That's that's that's the and if you don't love it if you're not willing to put not talking myself as much right now if you're not willing to put the practice teams going home while she thirty because i missed three putts ten feet. Let's go work on things like that while everyone else maybe going to grab dinner after. They get practiced on or after match or something. You know. everyone's driving home and they're just chilling hanging out. You go back a little bit things like that. If you're willing to do those things if you love it go go on to say no more. Yeah i mean that comes back to the sacrifice them jump be willing to sacrifice. I won their dawson. Thank you it fun to chat with you and appreciate you coming out days off and and we all look forward to washington careers and count flourish on having success and best of luck brichet. It's been fun.

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769: Radically Differentiate or Perish

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

13:13 min | 1 year ago

769: Radically Differentiate or Perish

"Hey Dental preneurs with the end of two thousand nineteen rapidly approaching. I'd like to ask you a few simple questions. Have you grown personally professionally finally and financially to the degree that you wanted to this year. Have you given serious thought to reaching out to me and my team about joining our elite practice actress mastermind private coaching group. But haven't gotten around to it yet. Do you feel like you've plateaued in the areas of personal and professional growth and feel like it's finally time to stop trying to do it all alone and to hire a coach with real world in the trenches private practice and multiple practice street cred. Did you know that consulting coaching and professional development programs are tax deductible at the same percentage as dental equipment. If you answered yes is to any or all of these questions. Email me right away and we'll get you on a call immediately with me or one of my black belt. D SL coaches to discuss discuss how you can become the next high-achieving mastermind member a black belt or even a black belt coach in the next several months info at true dental success dot com and type the word black belt into the subject line. Isn't it time to discover your true potential Info at true dental success dot com type. The word black belt into the subject line I took this episode is being brought to you by the fourth annual voices of Dentistry Summit over four years ago. Dr Me Dr Jason Lipscomb n I got together because we are trying to figure out a way to meet each other fellow podcasters and our audiences all in one place so it was at that the point that the voices of dentistry was born. The first one was in Nashville. And we've been in Scottsdale ever since she's guys this is the epitome Of An anti conference with some of the most groundbreaking innovative and fun. That's the big word. Fun podcasters an presenters in the dental profession. So come join your hosts and fellow podcasters. Alan Meade Dr Jason Lipscomb of delhex. podcast Dr Justin Moody from the dentist. Implants in worms podcast and yours. Truly Dr Mark Costas from the dental podcast. Additionally I think we have one of the strongest lineups invoices of dentistry. History mystery. Check out. This list of presenters. Dr Mike. D Tola Dr Josh Austin Dr August de Oliveira Alison MacDonald. Reese Harper Amy. Morgan Dr Gina Dorfman Cure ident the clinical hacks. Dr Kevin Fryer Doctor Mack Jones. Dr Zach Myers so for those of you who have never attended. This is a conference. Unlike you've ever experienced all of your favorite podcasters recording live live in podcasters lounge. You'll be able to hop on your favorite podcast. You'll be able to watch your favorite podcasters interview experts live. It's Super Fun. So there there's more networking and mixing than at any other meeting and just a fun collaborative and relaxed environment. The date is January anyway. Twenty fourth and twenty fifth at the Hilton Scottsdale Resort and villas in Scottsdale Arizona just voices Dentistry Dot Com and pick up your twenty percent off registration while supplies last and they will go fast voices of Dentistry Dot Com for twenty percent off. I can't wait to see you in Scottsdale pulled the dental renewal the newer podcast. Okay doctor it's time to put down that hand piece. You're listening to the show dedicated to helping dentists get their lives back. It's time to decrease your stress stress increase your profitability and regain your passion now introducing your host Dr Mark Kostas. Hello everyone welcome to another episode of the dental podcast armor host. Dr Marcus the title of this. Very quick episode. So today is radically differentiate or parish out. Sounds pretty dramatic but Basically we're GONNA be talking In this quick episode on some tactical ways to put your foundational principles together mission vision core values. How to radically differentiate yourself and what could potentially happen to your practice if you are another metoo practice if you are another practice that does everything exactly like your competitors and doesn't it doesn't do Your due diligence in making yourself radically different radically better In one way or another so oh I hope you guys get some value for this It is a quick one amid weak quickey but I think there are some writers some takeaways. Here okay guys. I hope you're having a wonderful today. We're closing in on two thousand nineteen looking forward to setting the benchmarks for two thousand twenty and hope you are too so we'll talk to you guys very take care. This is for the creation of your mission statement. Okay so this little worksheet. He is going to help us with the mission vision and core values so the core values. We're going to list right here after you're done with creating them. The mission statement goes right here here. What are your radical differentiates? And if you don't have a radical differentiator for your practice you need to think of what radically differentiates you from the rest of the people in your market right so anybody ever read the book purple cow or Zag Great Books about radical differentiation. What what makes you stand out in your in your community if it's just customer service and it's that we're gentle and that is your radical differentiator Or we just spend more money on marketing. That is not a radical differentiator. You need to find a way to separate yourself from everybody else in your market market. I don't know what that is very very market specific. It's very specific to you as a practitioner and you as a business owner. But if you don't have a radical Michael differentiator and you're figuring out why the guy down the street is kicking your ass. They may have better radical differentiator than you do. So what makes your practice unique. What unique value do you bring your patient base? Why should people care about what you're doing? Those are the questions if you WANNA ask yourself when you're putting your your mission statement together and you also want to use the core values as part of the framework for your mission statement K. K.. The mission statement asks answers the question. How Trish okay Should I answer the question. Why does our practices exist the framework that drives everything you do? It should be powerful persuasive. Give Strategic and brief an actionable. Okay here are more guidelines should serve to complement implement the core values should answer the question why we exist should inspire and clarify short and concise. Okay so here's some examples samples here my favorite ones that I found Patagonia build. The best product caused no necessary. No unnecessary necessary harm US business to inspire and implement solutions to the environmental crisis very very succinct. Very brief. You can tell exactly what they stand for. Southwest Airlines the mission of South West is dedication to the highest quality. Customer Service delivered with sense of warmth friendliness individual pride and company Spirit we DR X.. And I were at some conference together. I don't remember where we were aware at We were at a hygiene conference actually and Southwest Airlines actually had the they they had one of the adjacent They had a team building thing for southwest airlines and they had the adjacent a sweet to ours and they were all wearing red t-shirts that had their mission statement on the back of it. In fact Bent took a picture. He's like so cool. They actually they embody the spirit I really really liked their mission statement. I Love I love their company. Culture does everybody asset. No does everybody have it. Committed to memory. Yes they they I believe in it so much that they wear it on t shirts. Okay pay pal to build. The web's most convenient secure cost effective payment solution K.. And it's it's not really emotionally in evoking but that's what they do very very concise horizon this ours because they're interested a at horizon dental group our mission is to provide exceptional dental care while making a positive impact within our community. Very very simple and we embody that every single month. We we we We adopt a local charity. And we give all the proceeds for new patient exams to the local charity. Take a picture with a big check. And the that that that that actual charity gets featured in our print. Ads every single month so we are highlighting highlighting them. And it's a win win. They're getting a little bit of of of exposure and they're also getting a check from us all right now vision statements a statement that captures where your organization aspires to be in the future. It should be clear visually descriptive and stretch the boundaries of possibility. So what will your practice look like in five to ten years. How will the community perceive you in five ten years? What will be your marketing position? What we marketing position market share look like in five to ten years? I okay so remember. We're talking about what we want the practice to look at some time where we want to end up. This is a bit of a stretch. Because 'cause now you're taking it out three five ten years what is this thing GonNa look like when you hand over the keys to the next owner of the practice K- how many opportunities this is GonNa have. You should have a vision of this. I mean providers. What's The gross revenue GONNA look like? How many five star Google reviews? Are you going to have as clear as you can get. And then you create your your vision statement based on that this episode is being sponsored in part by divergent. Dental divergent is my favorite new upstart dental company. That I use for my automated business. 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So he understands how important it is to deliver accurate dental analytics super easy to read format nothing to log into no training needed at a super low price point so go to divergent dental dot com for more information and to get your subscription going. You'll be glad you did divergent dental dot com and that wraps it up for another episode of the Dental Poor podcast look forward to reconnecting on the next episode. Thank you so much for joining us today. On the dental procure podcast check out true. Dental success dot com for full recap capps veteran show a schedule of our live events free video tutorials and a whole host of practice building resources.

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The Clinical Hacks on Short Term Ortho (CHP10)

The Dental Hacks Podcast

28:03 min | 2 years ago

The Clinical Hacks on Short Term Ortho (CHP10)

"Welcome him to clinical hacks where real working dentists talk real dentistry. Sit back relax tighten your tough or prepare to be clinically hacked clinical hacks listeners. What is up welcome back to another episode of clinical hacks <hes> this week my i'm first of all minors and my trustee companions carolina jones and kevin air fryer are off on vacation doing awesome things thing so i've got a couple of guys that were lame enough not to be doing anything in the latter part of july and so i'm going to introduce to you. Tonight's nights co hosts first of all if you haven't checked out his podcast before dental hacks. You should try it out of course you couldn't. You couldn't have gotten onto this one without subscribing to it so anyway. I've got jason lipscomb. What's up jason. Hey there everybody after talking about kevin in that mac that remind me that i should be doing something more fun. So how has your summer summertime but go and jason jason. Have you done any trips vacations. Anything summer's good went to <hes> north carolina speaking of mac john's last week and we spinner our banks so just got back on saturday and clinically depressed my other co host. I tonight is someone that i have done some podcasting with before <hes> sean vanda vire heo how are ya john and i used to have a a show called dentists on phones eating lunch or dope lunch and we had a fun time without you. Guys want to check out. More of sean is witty banter so anyway sean. How is your summer going. How does heck language on kids. Where did this come from. Since it's just last time we talked yet. I don't know if you know this <hes>. I've got five kids there. <hes> seven six <hes> four four three and one now yeah. You have not been <hes>. You've not been crushing the vegas pool party scene than i take it. How do you think it's exactly yeah. I've been <hes> yeah what that what you do in vegas is hang out by the pool. I don't know all this yeah. That's what we do in vegas our guys. They are ultra awesome. Topic of the evening is short term orthodontics for the general practice so i have not much to contribute on this since i am not a provider of short-term ortho but i think i brought you guys on because you are so jason. Why don't you you tell me what tell me about your short term. Worth what what can you get in your office short-term or otherwise i don't i believe we this a little bit. Everything over the years. We used to bennett a design provider provider for several years. <hes> haven't had very much on the past couple of years ago through deep periods of laziness <hes> the <unk> done log onto stuff over the years than all entertainers than star appliances members those them awesome this line over the years <hes> right now i just finished up with the gallagher force <hes> anybody's familiar with that and i've talked about that on our podcast august which is a course that teaches people to get reengaged with villon back into it in learning some of the nuances that makes is it more effective so i just ordered to terrorists gainers which came in this week so i'm kinda getting up to speed with them. <hes> that will most likely be the scope my short term or so in my office. I'm not as smart as sean van driver nor am i. I <hes> keen on working that hard so i took the three d. printing to him in the the advance dentistry austrian and knowledge to him so anneliese right now so we'll see how long that most sean how about what am i going to get from you at your office for orthodontics wise <hes> well so i you know i was <hes> i started off with with a six month smiles in my ortho <hes> in my ortho journey i start off a six month smiles and doing traditional ortho with the straight up brackets and wires <hes> and then i kind of transitioned into a invis- aligned because my patients wanted a more cosmetic solution and after doing his line for a little bit <hes> i i noticed well not all my cases and <hes> this this is a lot a lot of it has to do with me being a terrible invis- align practitioner but my cases i would have to finish i'd have to set them up in brackets <hes> <hes> three to three to finish <hes> just the way they wanted the patient wanted so <hes>. I thought well if i'm if i'm putting brackets on at the end anyway. Why don't i just go back to doing brackets and so i'm kind of my the pendulum in my office is kind of swinging back the other way to more <hes> <hes> cosmetic braces six month smiles type <hes> braces <hes> but when i do do clear liners <hes> i'm offering offering that solution as well so my my menu of offerings has really expanded with the three d. printing. Did you take your six months. Smile courses than directly from swain. <hes> you know i think i might have i might head of a found. The six months miles protocol online and then just placed an order with them <hes>. It's been so long ago. Oh i can't remember it might have been might have been something that swain was giving to students that made that made that happen <hes> but it's been a while gotcha. Let me ask you this as as a g._p. Why do you guys choose to even have ortho so you know in your office as opposed to just you know sending the referral slip out what <hes> what's the motivation for you to have it. I guess other than revenue. Who is there any other. Is there anything other than revenue for reasons. You choose to have it. Why you want it. Go ahead jason. I i think one of the things one of the reasons that offered in my practices sometimes you see cases that are so inbetween inbetween <hes> real real simple name between comprehensive and they're just sometimes you have warburton plan and what over his face give tweaking here and there <hes> and nowadays we have the tools to do that so kind of <hes> with all the classes and all that education with all the products out there. It's kind of a no brainer not to you've got some. You've got some really good tools out there to make it happen and to a lot of those cost prohibitive for somebody to get orthodontist for minor movements or do something small like that how you're gonna pay three thousand dollars to get this fixed and then we're going to work the simply and we're gonna straight up. It's kind of pushes the patient way. I think you know more treatments except that's when you have that an allison have that available with you not have to go see somebody else. How about you shawn. What what's your motivation for for doing it. I'm going to echo a lot of what jason is saying in that you show yeah i just i whatever jason says <hes> just ditto that like i. I think gone are the times when dental offices are general practitioners would just do crown and bridge and then refer everything everything else out to specialists all the root canals go to endo. I mean you know the specialists. Everything goes out. <hes> i think now with <hes> <hes> with debt load with a practice overhead if you're getting into your own practice i i don't know about you guys but my practice isn't mike so busy that i'm just like. I don't have a spot in my chair. <hes> you really have to you really have to be a jack of all trades now. In dentistry industry i think as as generalist as general practitioner <hes> in my practice i kind of like i said i offer six months miles now. <hes> i offer invisible line but i also offer clear a liner therapy brand name and i offer them multiple price points so it's like like it's like just expanding my menu of offerings. <hes> you know when you go to a mexican restaurant and all you see is nachos on the menu. I mean you're just gonna a yak right so when you go and you see oh oh i can get burritos tacos and i can get the three layer burrito. I can get the four layer burrito or it can get the seven layer brio and it's it's what you're it's what you want. At that time. <hes> i feel like in my practice ortho is kind of getting getting that way where <hes> depending on the patient's needs and they're and they're <hes> <hes> i will say financial capabilities or what they're what they're looking to pay. <hes> we have a solution for that <hes> and additionally to what back to what jason said <hes> you know for minor a tooth movements specialists don't need to be involved with those you know minor tooth movements if <hes> if it's something simple <hes> then why not have it done at your office and you can monitor that treatment instead of wasting the patients time having when go back and forth and and relaying to the specialist hey i really need you to to fix this problem so that i can i can. I can fix this other problem so basically who had ordered the nachos when you've got all those better options. Is that what you're basically saying. Yeah i well i first off. I would never order nachos now. Never <hes> it's there's always the taco option that always far superior. I will say to after after you saying that getting into some of the spirit education that we eight than to a lot of the stuff they teach goes back to ortho. It's you start to be like <hes> case examples like yet. This is going to artha the the this is going to do anything and that was kinda surprising that you you think about some of these cases where you're talking talking about. Roundhouse crowns around house restorative ortho starts to be a big big part of that if you really dive deep into ortho becomes more prevalent in iraq is too so i think it's a that goes to the your continuing education. Before i took any comprehensive ortho courses i really didn't quote unquote like see ortho in my practice and then the day that you go back. It's kind of your eyes are opened up a little bit more of oh my gosh there there are so many <hes> orthodontic problems in your practice that can be solved with minor ortho <hes> that would make your restorative lot better that that that might that might solve perreault issues that that that your patients have <hes> so just educating yourself <hes> on you know what <hes> ortho can do for your for your patients <hes> and recognizing those issues kinda and developmental issues earlier on <hes> just gonna make you a better finish better clinician in but also make your referrals better to your specialists and enhance your communication with your specialist so you know like what you're sending over what you're sending over to them and what what should it'd be sent out what you shouldn't tackle all right so let's let's talk about this. Guy both done some formal ortho education education. Let's say you were to hire a new associate. That's out of school and <hes> wants to get started to pick. You know some type of path. They get started with ortho. Hello <hes> would you start with a a traditional wires brackets like a six month smiles or would you take the invisible line training. Where where would you send someone one to get get rolling jason i can. I can really only speak for for what i've done. <hes> at the program <hes> which was a a two year continuum you take it every every two months you think class and they had a different electives that you can take some you take different straight wire courses or you can take <hes> clear liner courses but it did give you the theory lot of what's what's going on. That's that's one of the big. The problem with this too is with a lot of people jump in and get started with a baseline abs- zero part of the theory of orthodontics what what teeth movements events are actually possible what you should stay away from <hes> and they they jump right in his line. Just want him to get case starts. You try a couple. Will you burned and then you just can't lay off so i think i think getting some of that theory and get his background. Standards teaches a lot for agairty ready now. <hes> some of those facets are really good. He asserted thank. If you want to jump in and get going do something a little more comprehensive <hes> in a good idea what's happened. Is you get yourself screwed up real quick and jason what is u. S. d. i. Are they still inactive. Is that still an act of course provider. They are the united states dental institute so <hes> u._s._d. Institute that come out for me the head different classes throughout the country the head some in <hes> <hes> san jose california leads chicago new york that one man more than jimmy the events <unk> after you take a two year continuing the you can take any of their classes for free for pretty much the rest of your life so i've gone back and taken some more advanced forces for free several years several years later <hes> at stay updated and <hes> some of the some of the good educators out there some some thinkers they missed from from design teach with them so we got some pretty good names from their third world. They're teaching their <hes>. It's it's pretty expensive in it so easy to get started but i have fast all over. How about you shawn if you had a new associate that you wanted wanted to get up to speed on orthodontics working for you. Where would you send them. Where would you get started. <hes> no i again <hes> i agree with jason and that you shouldn't get started with design because yet to to <hes> because yeah just just knowing how to put on composite buttons if you don't know how to do a composite on facial- facial composite. You probably shouldn't be practicing <hes> so you so you don't get you don't get the that underlying theory tooth movements and growth and development <hes> i am going to pimp a local guy dick lit which which is well wait a minute. Are we still talking about ortho. Yeah yeah a richard kellet <hes> force ortho f o r c e. I don't know what the acronym stands for but he is in he's in birmingham michigan and <hes> his offices five miles from my from my old office fus. Oh it was easy for me. <hes> i think he does it into four day. Weekends like thursday to sunday but the dude is intense hence <hes> and that's a comprehensive ortho course <hes> and same deal like if you take it. It's a c a dick. I want it to be intense. Yes yes so you're telling me that dick lit force ortho is intense. Yes summarize the building not only not only that is you pay for it wants and <hes> you you keep coming over and over again because <hes> the he doesn't eat only get charged ten percent. I think to take it again and <hes> it's. It's a wealth of knowledge. He is <hes> an in he's a incredibly incredibly smart and <hes> willing to to help out students topnotch ortho fo education so forth ortho for sure all right very cool <hes> so shawmut you also tell us about 'bout you mentioned non branded clear liners and i assume you're talking about the kind of a denting yourself type of <hes> type of thing where you're printing. 'em yourself and making yourself is that is that what you're talking about and tell us more about that before you continue continue. Can you not use the word denting again. <hes> i find it very sensitive. I find it very offensive to actual dentists so <hes>. Let's just get that out in the open right there. <hes> say past yeah hard pass on the word denting okay. Thank you appreciate it. <hes> so my i call it like unbranded generic clear line therapy because i don't ever wanna use invisible line and then deliver something that is not like brand name and visit lines so <hes> i'm talking about <hes> like clear correct correct i might use the clear correct name or using a blue sky bios ortho in printing out <hes> models sequential models and then undoing <hes> suck downs on those and having the having the <hes> team having staff having ladies do suck downs on those <hes> <hes>. It's it's just a the same. I tell him it's the same therapy <hes> just generic in office brand if they wanna save a thousand dollars instead of using the invisible line brand so there are a couple of reasons why i preferred actually paying two grand for embezzling because because i'm not messing around with models <hes> i'm not having the team spent time to print the models and make the suck downs and all that stuff but invisible invisible also offers <hes> an insurance policy with their invis- align assist cases that i think is <hes> correct me. If i'm wrong. Jason like five years after treatment ends. Maybe it's only two years but <hes> you get unlimited refinements <hes> and you could resubmit submit cases after the patients already out of trays <hes> to continue treatment and there's no additional cost for that and so if the patient is <hes> <hes> disappointed you know a year after finishing and byzantine treatment with me they can get right back into <hes> ah liners and it's no additional cost so that's a huge judge sell. That's a huge benefit to patients so it's kinda why even though it's expensive i do like <hes> the service that you get with invis- aligned what what about you jason. I mean you you just you just bought two more taros. <hes> so you're kind of all in on invisible line yeah i think a couple years off in that these bislama providers like two thousand four <hes> and no i got the basic basic education dot in and i couldn't get through for clincher software <unk> submit changes in just is kept coming back and just wasn't what you have to be just got frustrated and amazon themselves wave admit that the advance education that they had to teach you how to do it to get better. It's just not there because they just want starts they want and what you pay that fee and then there you go <hes> but i think over time to realize that hey if it's more education get people active in bit more cases in the other are ways to count play this play system with the beslan full in china insurance policy like sean say on so <hes> i follow all guys as you know sean a buggy. Many times about extra cad printing and get down to is just like man <unk> bandwith to do that. I'd rather take some scans. Send it off <hes> and and part of it too for me. Scams was case acceptance or given standards rather was case except vets and the way they have the new treatment planner outcome simulator offers a racist and i did it four or five times. A day showed i basically we're doing helped me scam on pretty much. Everybody so anybody would possibly want this elapsing. Hey scanned for yet. You're adding <unk> polishes. Do this outcome simulator c. Which does look like one and several people today is like wow. That's really cool to see but it's possible son. I'm hoping that having these scanners will help my face acceptance out neighbors war more design. Get more activists so it's it's channeled taking a little bit out there but of i al so you mentioned jason how you're kind of marketing internally for invisible line. Is this something you to aggressively market for externally at all or is it all internal and to be honest. I'm just kind of getting back into it a- and be extra. No marketing for this line is pretty <hes> so if you wanna google ad words or anything like that trying to get this align on your google ad words. It's gonna cost you a pretty penny and even small direct. Club is is really putting out a the pinch-hitter modernisation out there so it's it's probably going to be a situation where it's going to be internal where we try to scam dan pretty much everybody with the with the euro or everybody that could be essentially a candidate and start doing that type of marketing and show them face with with a could do <hes> in from the people that i've spoken with that bennett successfully that seems to be the the watershed moment back where the people are accepting the treatment board start getting people jumping in how about how about you sean this this <hes> is marketing orthodontics in your practice mostly internal external or some combination <hes> mostly internal <hes> you know i i'm fortunate in that <hes> i have <hes> a digital signboard on a major <hes> semi major era road so i can put up in byzantine specials and envisioned line deals on that board <hes> so do get a fair amount of <hes> drive-by <hes> drive by <hes> patients asking about that <hes> and and just facebook marketing. I'm not putting a a lot of money into that because <hes> like jason said there's just a lot of competition for that and so if you just put out yeah three for three there you go <hes> <hes> yeah. I'm not trying to do that. I'm doing more with implants <hes> because you've got like like jason said a lot of <hes> a lot of competition in that clear clear a liner space <hes> versus <hes> implants surgeries or people with with <hes> more urgent problems. <hes> i find that that's that's kind of lower hanging fruit or it's a little bit easier to market to those patients so <hes> i'm not gonna try as hard hard with the invisible line <unk> liner patients so for those drive by patients. Have you thought about you know putting a scanner outside so you can just you know scan them as they you know they they drive on by. Just you know drive through a liner service. Yeah you know i'm going to partner up with the drive through drive thru liquor for store so pick up pick up a forty and a scan yeah fantastic well guys these are thirty minute episodes and we are right up against it now. Keep going a we will because spoiler alert. We recorded these episodes back to back so you're hearing these guys again next week. As my regular co hosts continue tenue their travels abroad <hes> which are both of you guys. Are both of you guys in the clinical hacks facebook group. I believe that you are jason more doubt yet lutely. Could i get you guys to post something orthodontic based when this episode drops some kind of a case okay. I didn't think so jason about you sean. Surely you got something for me. <hes> <music> <unk> sure but do i have to post a picture. You do not have to post a picture. Kevin fryer does not mute anyone for that. I can promise thomas you that okay so yeah. It's okay some gift. Fantastic shifts again jif gift all right very angry cat pictures. Okay <hes> yeah angry. Orthodontic key puts them a liners on a cat or something like photoshop that right in that sounds great dumper done. Thanks guys appreciate you guys talking about short term though and we will catch you next week piece yeah.

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785: What IS Your Future?

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

13:16 min | 1 year ago

785: What IS Your Future?

"This episode is being brought to you by the fourth annual voices of Dentistry Summit over four years ago. Dr Alemi Dr Jason Lipscomb and I got together because because we're trying to figure out a way to meet each other fellow podcasters and our audiences all in one place so it was at that point that the voices of dentistry was born. The first one was in Nashville. And we've been in Scottsdale ever since she's guys guys. This is the epitome of an anti conference with some of the most groundbreaking innovative and fun. That's the big word. Fun podcasters and presenters in the dental profession. So come join your hosts and fellow podcasters Ellen. Meade Dr Jason Lipscomb of delhex. podcast cast Dr Justin Moody from the dentist. Implants in worms podcast and yours. Truly Dr Mark Hostas Dental podcast. Additionally I think we have one of the strongest lineups up's invoices of dentistry history. Check out this list of presenters. 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Okay doctor. It's time to put down that hand piece. You're listening to the show dedicated to helping dentists get their lives back. It's China decrease your stress increase your ability and regain your passion now. Introducing your host Dr Markkaas welcome to another episode of the Dental Poor podcast. I'm your host Dr Marcus if you guys are regular listeners of the podcast s you know that we spend a lot of time working on what we call our four futures mind meaning muscle movement and then the fourth quadrant is money In this quick podcast episode. You're going to hear us as a mastermind group as a private client group work through assessing where we are for our personal for futures and where we are is usually not exactly where we want to be and that is the reason why you guys are probably listening the podcast. That is the reason that we have members in the mastermind group because we most of us live in the gap between where we are now and where we desire to be at at some later time so if you are living in the gap like ninety nine point nine nine percent of the human race. Do you have a plan in place to bridge the gap. Yep between where you are right now your baseline and where you want to be in all four of the four quadrants so I hope that you guys will enjoy this episode. It's an exercise that You you can take on your own and hopefully you'll get a clear vision of what needs to happen. And more importantly a plan design a plan and to put a plan in place for bridging that gap between where you are now and where you WanNa be enjoyed the episode. We'll talk to you guys very soon. So I want you guys to take some time to fill out the four futures assessment exercise. Be Honest with yourself be brutally honest and score yourself on a scale of one to five in each each of these quadrants K.. Go for it. I'm going to play some contemplative music. Go if you're not happy with your score in any of the quadrants. I just want you to jot a sentence down on top of that worksheet. That sketches out. Just a rough plan of how you're going to bridge the gap between where you are now and where you wanna be. It could be one simple thing that gets you closer to that. Could be date night for your spouse. Could be get home at five o'clock in the afternoon like you promised your kids you would. It could be a walk after lunch every single day it could be eight fluid ounces of water four times a day whatever it is right down one step towards bridging the gap in each quadrant right now k.. Couple hacks for you guys mindfulness. That's tough gratitude. That's hard I know. Nobody ever taught us. How gotTa do this stuff? The APP that I'm currently using there are several k. There's there's an APP called calm. There's a yearly the membership. It's pretty awesome all the music that you guys have been listening to you. That's by neural. Beats it's called called flow so if you put your earpiece your air pods in or your headphones in the music is going back and forth. It's activating both sides of your brain at one time. So when I'm writing or I'm practicing a speech or doing something that requires deep concentration. I didn't I didn't turn that off the entire time on my four and a half hour flight here. I had that in and I wrote like three chapters of my next book. It increases the amount of creativity that you have not only that it has guided meditation for any type of person that has never had meditation training before anywhere from three minutes to forty five minutes of guided meditation. And just so you guys know. If you hit meditate it goes anywhere from how to meditate to seven days of calm staying on track seven days of calming anxiety. Mindfulness daily life. Twenty one days of calm loving kindness daily Com highlights returning to now that was just for beginners seven days of soothing pain seven days of soothing anxiety staying on track untangling physical pain. Mindfulness at work body scan forgiveness. All of those things are on that APP and the guided meditation specific to the theme that you select. It's cheap. It's like sixty bucks a year. I think nothing major. There's also an APP called head space anything by SAM. Harris is awesome. Ten percent. Happier is another great meditation APP. These are all little hacks. Lean on technology. If you've never done this before I've been doing this for for years and I still use a guided meditation APP because type A people don't know how to not think right. It's like you could be thinking about gratitude and you could be thinking about a babbling brook and you're like fricking hygiene. And then you're like. Oh conduct crown. Prep and I separated a file in the NBA. Two and if my overhead is seventy six and that's what happens to type a personalities and that's normal and it's okay but if you get involved with a meditative program Ram it'll teach you how to get that thought and let it go and not judge it and get another thought and let it go and not judge it. You're not going to notice the difference in your overall feeling of well-being in a day or a week or maybe not even a month but like I said I've been doing this for several several years now sometimes is limited as three minutes. If I'm super busy. It's changed everything has changed everything if you get a list of multimillionaire nine figure millionaires and billionaires and ask how many of them have some sort of gratitude and mindfulness routine. Every single morning you'll get greater than ninety percent hyper achievers do it. We also for all of our mastermind members they all get a four futures journal and and it looks like this and every single day I fill out my futures journal and I write in the margins and I write all over the place. It says. Date your daily priorities so you can just get those out of the way. Write them down. I'm not gonNA worry about him because here's what I have to do today today. I appreciate appreciate it's always three things. Okay I'm strengthened by knowing. I'm looking forward to two and then it has this quadrant which you guys have all seen before and it says what you did for your mindfulness and gratitude today what you did for. Oh you're meaning and relationships today what you did for your muscle today what you did for your money today. It's binary you only have to do one thing and you get a one out of one and each of us has an accountability partner. And every single week at a predetermined time we text a number twenty one twenty eight Shit Twenty eight out of twenty eight fist-bump simple as that. I did it or I didn't do it no judgment. That's my baseline. It says. Today's wins so so at the end of the day we do and do an end of day recap and today I learned. Okay simple as that something as simple as was that journaling is unbelievably effective for increasing. Your mindfulness and your gratitude. Do you guys find that exercise size enlightening it might be depressing. You might be skewed towards one quadrant or another but please remember recognizing what your baseline is the first step. You can't get to where you WanNa go until you realize where you are. This episode is being brought to you by our friends over there at compassionate passionate finance. Did you know that the average American mix less than forty five thousand dollars per year. 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Insulin Has Become Unaffordable. Patients Are Dying In Their Efforts To Ration Doses

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

48:52 min | 2 years ago

Insulin Has Become Unaffordable. Patients Are Dying In Their Efforts To Ration Doses

"This message comes from on points sponsor, indeed, if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From WB. You are Boston and NPR. I'm magnetized birdie. And this is on point seven million Americans take insulin every day to survive, the drug was first developed almost a century ago. But for the past couple of decades, the price of insulin has gone through the roof. It's become so expensive almost a quarter of people who take insulin have had to ration it and some of them are dying. How did it get this way? How did such a vital well known long developed drug get so far out of reach for so many Americans, especially when that exact same drug can cost a tenth of the price. In other countries pharma execs were hauled before a congressional committee last week to give their view drugmaker ally. Lilia says it will cut the price version of its insolent in half. But there is a deeper problem here one that will take myriad solutions. So this hour on point insulin and fixing America's broken prescription drug pricing system. And you can join us are you reliant on insulin to survive. Had you had to ration it. How are you coping with prices that have tripled in a decade and with drug manufacturers pharmacy benefit managers and insurers all pointing the finger at each other. What can be done is an entire overhaul of the US system needed and should say right off the bat. Here we invited the three major drug makers who make insulin Sanofi ally. Lilly and Novo Nordisk to join us on the program today. They all declined they sent a statements instead and you'll be hearing from those statements throughout the hour. We also invited the major lobbying group pharma to join us as well, they declined to. So instead, let's start by listening for a few minutes to some activists who are confronting the insulin problem in a very public way. Can't hide your fries are homicide. Well, this was just yesterday outside the Cambridge Massachusetts offices of Sonoko fee. One of the three drug makers that control ninety nine percent of the insulin market. A small group of about ten. Protesters were standing in front of a makeshift set of tombstones these tombstones were tall painted in black with white letters of the names of people who've died because they couldn't get insulin. One of those names is Megan Carter Stephanie anes is with the right care alliance. Their medical activist groups, and she told us care Carter story Meghan had just gotten a new insurance. And she she was in between jobs. Got her new job got her new insurance and was days away from the insurance kicking in when she died. Well, the average price of insulin has nearly tripled in a ten year period. Patients with insurance might have to pay as much as three hundred dollars for a single vial of insulin. The could last them just a week or two. Now Santa fy says it has programs to help patients reduce out of pocket expense. Nces, but protester Michael noble says that's not enough. He's wearing a shirt emblazoned. With the words am I next and he says he saw how precious insulin was back when he was a teenager at a camp for diabetic kids. A lot of my counselors per dependent upon those camps to get the donated insulin that was applied to them. And so that was their health insurance was going to these camps working there over the summer list desperately hoarding as much insulin and medical supplies as they could until the next camp session. Well, the protesters eventually tried to enter the Sanofi building. They asked to meet with a major executive but security guards threatened to call the police. So the protesters leave and back outside seventy year old Martin drilling who's had type one diabetes for more than sixty years. He says the solution won't come from just pharma companies, and he has a message for congress. So I would just emphasize the point that in the richest country in the world, we should not be discarding are humans and citizens be for so companies can make more money. It is incomprehensible to me that they have not come up with a plan to address this pressing need. We'll joining us now in the studio is Dr visas sunny, he helped lead the demonstration at Sanofi's Cambridge Massachusetts offices yesterday. He's a cardiologists and co chair of the right care alliance said that is a patient advocacy coalition. He's also president of the loan institute. It's a nonpartisan healthcare think tank that's challenging the high cost of healthcare in America. Dr Sanni welcome to on point. Thank you Meghna. Well, also with us today is Dr kasha Lipscomb. She's joining us from New Haven, Connecticut. She's an endocrinologist and diabetes researcher at the Yale school of medicine. She's published studies on patients having to ration insulin due to the cost. Doctor Dr lips go. Welcome to you. Thanks. Thanks for having me. So Dr sunny, let me start with you, you you're leading protests in front of buildings that are owned by research centers that are owned by companies like Santa Fe, why are you targeting the the drug companies specifically we're targeting the drug companies because they are ground zero of the ecosystem it's not that others are not without blame. But it's absolutely clear that the drug companies have been playing a central role in both the pricing and in the back room deals that they engage in with other players in the system and all of that has been designed to MAC. Semis revenue in maximize profits. It's very clear. You know, you said price of insulin has gone up three times in in ten years. It's gone up ten times in the lifetime of some of these young people who've died, so and there's been no new development or innovation of those agents. Those drugs in that period of time backroom deals. Absolutely. What what I mean is that our pricing system is is really broken. It is seriously broken first of all backroom deals means that the published price or the list price, you know, which is typically the average wholesale prices relatively arbitrarily set. Now by statute, there's another price that they that they're controlled by. But after that in the back room insurance companies pharmaceutical benefits. Manager's Andrew companies cut deals, and in those deals money is flowing in all directions. And while they point the finger at each other. I think it's pretty clear that they're all profiting, and the people who are losing are these patients. Okay. So we're going to talk a little bit about sort of how it seems as if these three companies have moved their prices in lockstep with each other as well. We can talk about that in a minute. But but Dr lifts if I can just turn to you. I mean, you're an endocrinologist, and you have even published a study one in the journal the American Medical Association where you found that at Yale one informed. Diabetes patients had reported rationing their insulin due to cost. That's right Magna. And this this really came on my radar several years ago when I had a patient come in to see me, he's seven years old. He's an engineer. He's got a good job. But he supporting his wife and his divorce dot. So money is somewhat tight. And he actually brought me the bills for his insulin to the appointment. He's been on insulin for awhile, he's type two diabetes. But in order to control his blood sugar. She really needed this insulin. And the bills were enormous. They were you know, in the range of four to five hundred dollars a month that he was spending out of pocket on his insulin. And he just couldn't afforded and after seeing him. I started asking lots of my patients about trouble affording, insulin started hearing, more and more stories one after another and that let me do think. Well, is this this this doesn't seem to be an anomaly, we better look into this. And that's exactly when we decided with with two students to do a survey and I'll yield diabetes center to ask patients who were prescribed insulin. Okay. Over the last twelve months, how many of you? You have had to not fill a prescription use less than prescribe ration insulin because of its cost, and we found that it was as you said one in four patients reporting this doing this. What effect is it having on their lives? Well, I- insulin is as you as you heard essential for anyone with type one diabetes, so not taking insulin his fatal people die without insulin for for in terms of rationing insulin. If if you have type two or type one diabetes, and you take less than prescribe your blood sugars, go up, then you're at high risk for these devastating consequences of diabetes like blindness kidney failure going on dialysis ulcers in your feet, having amputations and heart disease. So these are really serious consequences. When blood sugars go up, we'll talk to sandy limit turn back to you on on this because I think the thing that is so disturbing about the challenges on this particular drug is because a diabetes is such a widespread disease in America. I mean, there's of course, type one diabetes, but also type two we have tens of millions of Americans who may be pre diabetic. As well. So here's here's a drug that potentially is critical to saving millions and millions of people's lives. It's also been a forms of insulin of been on the market for almost a century. It's not a new drug. You know, it's it's not one of those new gene based therapies that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the three major companies Novo Nordisk, LA Lilly and Sanofi in in all of their statements. They say it's not us. It's those pharmacy benefit managers. It's those insurers it's the other parts of America's broken pricing system. Here. Do do they not have a point. No, the reality is as I said earlier, it is them. It's not just them. But it is them to put it a different way, you know, when insulin. I came out the the kind that that was purified by Banting invest for which they got the Nobel prize and sold their patent for one dollar. We calculated that the price of a month of insulin. In those days that's innovation in those days. It was twenty dollars a month. Now, if you fast forward there has been innovation since then and there are newer insulin's. But again, there's been no innovation on those installations insolence for twenty years the synthetic. The synthetics synthetics absolutely now what happens is the the pharmacy benefit managers have an interest in escalating, the prices and the pharma companies go along, and the reason is the pharma companies really don't feel the pinch. They keep getting their amount. What ends up happening is the insurance companies get a discount. They get to look good and the pharmacy benefits managers pocket, a huge part of the discount. So we've created a system in which everybody has an interest in rising prices. Accept patients except patient. Well, doctor because Sani and Dr kasha Lipscomb stand by here for just a second. We are talking about the story of why such a critically important drug in America, insulin has become so expensive. It's out of reach potentially for almost a quarter of the Americans who rely on it to live. I Magnin Chakrabarti. This is on point. This message comes from unpleasant sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help. Getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed toasted job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Welcome to the twenty percent. Do you see Jesus in the burnt toast? Do you realize that literally there was a bucket of condoms by exit? Why is this happening? We cannot just say stop. I want to get off invisible. Yeah. Season five. This is on point Meghna Chakrabarti. We're talking this hour about insulin and how and why it's become so expensive in the United States that twenty five percent of the seven million Americans who rely on insulin to live have brash Inde the drug that they need to stay alive. I'm joined today by Dr because Sani, and Dr kasha Lipscomb, and we did invite the three major drug makers who control ninety nine percent of the insulin market lily Sonoko fee and Novo Nordisk sale declined, but sent us statements and and their statements actually have some commonalities in them. Let me just read a couple sentences here, for example, this is from ally lily, they say we want to provide help for people who need it while not disrupting access for the thousands of humilate patients. That's the name the brand name of their insulin who pay lower prices because of their insurance the significant rebates we pay on insulin. Do not directly benefit all patients and this needs to change Novo Nordisk says as well one of the reasons of four the disparity between this price and net. Price is the demand by payers. Those are those insurers and those pharmacy benefit managers for higher rebates. These increasing demands for rebates from Pao's allow a pairs allowed Novo Nordisk to maintain and expand the availability of its medicines. However, Novo Nordisk has no ability to control whether the rebates it pays enable broader access to the medicines and lower out of pocket costs. So the other major drugmaker Sanofi. Their CEO was tested or testified before congress last week with other pharmacy egos. And so let's listen to what Oliver branded core CEO of Sanofi said he pointed a finger at in the insurance reimbursement system, say something very similar. But here's what he told congress. If you take lunches, for instance, almost prescribe incident so net price as fallen. By thirty percents since twenty twelve yet over the same period average out of pocket costs have risen proximity. Sixty percent for patients with commercial insurance and Medicare. It is my belief that declining nad prices should result in lower out of pocket costs for patients. But clearly, this is not always the case. That's no fee CEO all of our brand occur in that very same. Hearing though democratic Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon just wasn't having it this idea that it's middlemen that are causing the problems. He criticized Pfizer CEO, Albert boiler for blaming high out of pocket costs on insurance companies. The number one reason consumers are getting hammered is because these lift prices, which you have the last word with respect where they are are unaffordable and all this other stuff you talk. About the rebates and the discount and the coupons is window dressing. And the fact is forty percent of the drugs don't even have a rebate. So I wanted understood you and others in the industry are stonewalling on the key issue, which is actually lowering list prices stemming critic Senator from Oregon Ron Wyden. Well, I want to bring into the conversation now Dylan Scott, he's healthcare reporter at vox covers prescription drug pricing. We have links to his reporting and on point radio dot org. Dylan welcome to the program. Alot thanks for having me. So let's focus a little bit on what the pharma companies are saying here specifically about insulin. They're pointing at insurers and those pharmacy benefit managers as the problem. I did ask this question to Dr sandy before. But do do they have a point. I would I would concur with the doctor's diagnosis here that I do think, you know, pharmaceutical companies are wrong that health insurers and pharmacy benefit managers play a role in the high cost that patients automatically feel. But he's also right that the pharmaceutical companies set the starting point here when they set these lists prices, it's from those lists prices that these rebates and discounts that they like to cite as the reason that patients aren't feeling all the savings. They're they're the ones who are setting the starting point for those negotiations and the the discounts are negotiated from there. And so I think that's why you see these lawmakers continually come back to this point that. Wow. Yes. There may be issues with the way that we pay for prescription drugs and the savings that are realized there aren't being seen by patients. But the list prices really are the jumping off point for all of these discussions and we've seen them steadily rise over the years. Okay. So let me ask about how they've been rising. And I wanna get the view from all three of you here because. From the charts that I've seen those lists prices have been rising in lockstep, right? The three companies are are raising them almost exactly the same time. So the exact same dollar amount, though, there's no strict monopoly here, but three companies acting together broadly speaking looks like collusion on prices Dylan is that what's happening or I don't know that we can say for sure, but the data certainly is suggestive the Washington Post put out an analysis a couple years ago that showed that ally Lilly and Novo Nordisk had raised their prices on insulin by four hundred and fifty percent above inflation and very closely in sync. So there does seem to be a pretty demonstrable pattern of these prices rising together across the three companies, Dr lips go, what do you think about that? Why I agree. And I think what what we can take away from this is that there doesn't seem to be healthy competition going on. So when you look at those prices in lockstep. The those those prices are for products at a very similar Huma. Log. Versus Nova log, which are the rapid acting insulin's Lantis Levin MIR which of the long acting insulin's and they've really been going up at the same time by about the same amount. So no healthy competition between between these these products. That would really cause the prices to come down a doctor, sandy let me ask you. Are. There any generics for insulin. And if not what's keeping the generics out of the market because my understood my bit due to my basic understanding of how these things work that would be a force to help bring down prices. Wouldn't it? It would. But the same is true in the general generic market. We have sort of frenzy of price gouging across the board including generics. I think the the overall sort of tone and tenor in the market has become profit-seeking. The fact is generics. Could but in the case of insulin. When you have essentially a cartel that controls such a large market with huge margins. It's very easy for them to buy out competitors to stonewall to evergreen patents to do all the things that from surgical sector does to maintain their monopoly grip. And and I think that's what's been going on. Could it be done? Could somebody organize the company and try to disrupt the market? Yes. But over what timeframe whether odds of success. But so these things that you said that the pharma companies do where the ever in your words, evergreen patents or they they slightly modified drugs or. The delivery systems to extend patent protection things like that. Totally legal and the idea behind this is to protect the space for innovation. So what's the problem? There shaking your head like disgusted that even asked the question. Well, the issue of innovation release is something that irritates me to no end when we really stop and think about it. What drives innovation when somebody has a creative idea. What drives that is it because they're sitting there thinking, how can I make a buck not really real innovation comes from a very different place. When you look at the numbers most innovation and most of the funding for our indeed that leads to top selling drugs is funded by the taxpayer through the NIH through the NIH. Where is our return on investment? I don't see it. It's not you know, the fact is we've created these rules. Yes. It's not illegal. What's going on? That's because we've made it legal. This is something that can be changed and needs to change. But it won't. Don't really change until people start demanding it Dylan Scotland return back to you. Because just this the stories about the links that people have had to go to get insulin that they can afford are truly heartbreaking. I mean, we, you know in the past couple of days, we've been reading and talking to people who say they will fly to Taiwan, for example, because the plane ticket to Taiwan, and while costly the net cost of given how much they save when they buy their insulin in other countries makes a plane ticket cheaper and worth it. Why is it that something like insulin can be one tenth the price internationally than it is here in the United States or a big part of it is that international healthcare systems tend to have a lot more bargaining power with pharmaceutical companies, even if they don't necessarily have single payer healthcare system, their healthcare are their health insurance tends to be more nationalized. The government tends to be more aggressive about regulating prices. And so that allows those other countries. To negotiate lower prices for insulin than we were able to see here in the United States. We have set up a system where companies get a, you know, a decade or more of a market monopoly whenever they develop a new drug, and as the doctor alluded to whenever they, you know, update their drug or find a new way to to deliver it or, you know, make it longer lasting. They're able to renew that monopoly and keep extending it. And that's particularly what we've seen here with insulin. While there were certainly, you know, thirty years ago, some very important innovations and making, you know, making sure that patients had fewer bad reactions that kind of thing the innovations we've seen more recently. I think a little their efficacy is a little bit more questionable. And one of the most interesting conversations, I've had Lee really with people who follow drug prices as whether we have too much innovation where we've whether we're being too liberal, and allowing a drug companies to claim that they've created a new product and keep their monopoly when really they they're just making tweaks on the edges that don't change the fundamental nature of the. Listen, a doctor lives co what do you think about that? I couldn't agree more. It's it's worth pointing out that you know, as we've improved. It's true insulin now is much better than it was many decades ago, but how much better what cost right that's the fundamental question. So some of my research had looked at the older versions of human insulin called N P H in regular insulin versus the newer incident analogs and compare them with respect to how effective they are. How safe they are in patients mostly in type two diabetes, and really what we've seen as very very small advantages for people with type two diabetes for these older, insulin products versus the newer drugs with the new drugs being so much more expensive. So the question is are they really worth the cost? And and again, like what what is the value of this innovation now for for people with type one diabetes. I think that the advantages are more clear yet, you know, a lot of people with type two diabetes can do just as well with with with these older insulin's. Well, I'm gonna get to culture in just a second. But Dr sandy let me turn a comment to you hear that. We've got from a listener on Facebook. Paul Norton says that the free market is the solution. But with better regulation, the free market is why we have innovations look at small companies innovating cures, a new drug choices here. I mean, Paul getting to a point that that the pharma companies themselves will say is that there have to be some drugs, whose prices and profits help subsidize their their future research. Well, when you look at the facts, what you see is that the RND budgets of the pharma sector about eighteen to twenty percent is spent on novel drugs. The other eighty percent is spent on tweaking on doing other kinds of things like ever-greening and the like a lot of the times it's taxpayer funded research that they then translate. So I don't dispute that you need innovation. What I dispute is the fact that the market incentives the so called market incentives because it isn't a functioning market. I completely agree. But what I dispute is that the source of innovation is this incentive to make a bundle of bucks. I mean, the reality of people that I know who are innovators who were entrepreneurs, it's the joy of making something different and changing the world and the money is secondary. And I think that's how we should organize the entire healthcare sick sector. It can't be base. Based on a commodity idea that that's how healthcare works. It's a public. Good. And that's really why we're doing what we're doing in the right Caroline's because we think it has to go in that direction. Well, let's go to our callers. Let's go to Stephanie who's calling from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Stephanie you're on the air. Hi. I'm calling because I've spent I'm in my mid thirties. I've been type one diabetic since I was four when I graduated college. I started living abroad because I could not afford at that point of the twenty year old the medications than I needed that have been around for years. I bought insulin Huma Logan, Flint in South Korea for fifty five dollars. I bought it in Dubai for seventy two I came back to the United States when ObamaCare came and I was able to live here again and have insurance, but my policy was still in affordable. So I in wicker Agua where the insulin was fifty five dollars a bottle retail pharmacies. When I did the same thing in the United States. The last time I had to buy it without insurance or with incredibly high deductibles, it was two hundred twenty five dollars per bottle. It's now over three hundred. Well, we'll Stephanie. Thank you so much for your call. Let's go to Ryan who's calling from Omaha Nebraska. Ryan you're on the air. Hi Glenn diabetic. I'm usually use. I've had the rely on friends to get into lend me and my doctors when they couldn't afford that other hospital because they charge he'll pay as low. And basins has got a lot of money as well. So you said that you so you've been getting insulin from friends and have you been having to ration it Ryan? About the degrees. My dose that I'm supposed to be dating. But I can say my insulin through longest Ryan. I mean, this got this got to be really nerve wracking for you. Because Dr lips was telling us, you must know firsthand that you're playing with your health there. Yeah. It's a man just to do it. If I want to. I'd rather have a smaller dose every day, and you take longer than have the dose, I need and. Run out. Well, Ryan, thank you for your call. Dr lips killing return back to you here because we're going to be hearing a lot of this from collars throughout the air. I'm sure and just to reiterate the they feel like they have to ration their insulin that they have no choice, but they are running a risk with their health. Or are they not? I mean what other options do they have? Well, this is the these are were putting patients in absolutely awful awful with awful choices. Right. And this is this is cruel. It's cruel to patients. It's it's cruel to doctors. Because we're what can we do? Also in terms of helping our patients when they cannot afford the these essential treatments. I think it's really important though for patients to let their doctors know and try to brainstorm together solutions about how best to use the insulin. Sometimes as I mentioned for particularly for patients with type two diabetes weaken substitute different types of insulin. We can weaken assist patients selecting different prescriptions plans that that will put them in better position to be able to afford these there pharmacies three forty be pharmacies that have some subsidized that subsidize some of the cost of insolence of they tend to be a little bit cheaper. So there. Ways to like work within the system. These are band-aid solutions though, right? The the system has to change because this is absolutely unacceptable. And I, you know, I agree with you that this puts this puts patients at risk in terms of the complications of diabetes. Well, you know, we have two quick break. When we come back. We'll talk about what might be practicable solutions, given the US healthcare system. Got a lot of comments coming in a d kief says having lived in the UK and having availability to the medicine, the US really leads to look at big pharma and insurance companies her prescriptions in the UK were basically nine dollars. Mike L says making a profit from patented product is good business when the product is essential for life, though. It's called price-gouging. We're talking about insulin and how it's become so expensive that it's out of reach for a quarter of the seven million Americans who rely on it to survive, and what we can do about it given Americans Br America's broken prescription. Drug pricing system. We'll be right back. This is on point. Hey, it's guy-roger here. And on the latest episode of how I built this has squarespace founder Anthony cuss Alina came up with the idea for a better website publishing tool in his college dorm room and since then built it into a company valued at one point seven billion dollars. This is on point magneto already. We're talking this hour about insulin and how and why it's become so expensive that it's out of reach potentially out of reach for a quarter of the many millions of Americans who need it to survive every single day. I'm joined today by Dr because Sani by Dr kasha lips ga and by Dylan Scott as well. And I just want to reiterate we did put out a request to the three major manufacturers of insulin. The Eli Lilly Sonoko fee and Novo Nordisk. They control ninety nine percent of the global insulin market. They all declined to join us as did the lobbying group pharma, they declined as well. We have statements from all three companies though will link to those on point radio dot org. But I just want to read a brief part of Novo Nordisk statement, for example, as they say because people are looking to us to continue innovating against the serious disease. We remain committed to identifying additional solutions to address access and affordability. It will require efforts from all parties in the US healthcare system to solve this. Check. And we want to be part of the solution. So no, he says it's important to note that they've implemented new innovative programs to ensure individuals without insurance or without adequate insurance have access to their medicine. So they talk about some of their programs as well doing Scott. Let me just turn to you here because I want to hear from all three of you about actual solutions that might work in the US market, you've covered this extensively. Congress considering all sorts of things getting generics on the market faster. Capping out of pocket costs opening up imports from Canada. What about the big one having the government be a more robust negotiator for drugs? Which one of these solutions actually has kind of a path forward in the United States. Will I do think in the near term you have to look at more small-bore solutions that do have the bipartisan support with job veasley important with a democratic house and a Republican Senate and White House? So I think in that realm you have these ideas like making it easier for generics to get to the market. Although I would. Note that insulin is is somewhat challenging in that regard. Because it's a biologic drug, which means it's more complex uses larger molecules in living cells. And so there's actually been some estimates put out that even if we were to get the generic version of that what's known as a bio similar onto the market. It would only probably bring costs down twenty to forty percent versus the brand name drugs compared to more conventional medications generics. Are usually eighty percent cheaper than than their brand name counterparts. And so that's that's one place where I think Republicans and Democrats have shown an interest. There are other ideas out there like, you know, just capping how much it sure companies are allowed to ask their patients to pay out of pocket for prescription drugs. And then I think the biggest idea that that speaks most directly to this problem that we've heard as Elizabeth Warren has put out a Bill that would actually require the government within one year to start producing generic form of insulin. Now that is not a plan that's going to be passed into law anytime soon, but as the democratic primary heat. It's up. I think you can expect those candidates to talk about little more ambitious solutions to these problems and how to more fundamentally changed the pharmaceutical market. So that medications like insulin become more forcible. So Dr Sani is that sort of wholesale rethink of our our pricing models. What what you think we need should the government get into the drug manufacturing business personally? Don't know if the drudge if the drug manufacturing businesses, something that the government should get into. But it's clear that it's currently a monopoly, certainly an insulin and many other areas. So the government has had a long rule regulating monopolies. I think they fallen asleep at the switch here. So I think that's one dimension. The other dimension really is that given the extent to which government funding taxpayer money funds. The r d you know, there are ways in laws that can be changed by dole lacked and many other regulatory aspects of our system can be changed. Personally, I do think a wholesale rethink is needed absolutely needed because we have to match the solutions to the scale of the problem. And that means I think that people who need essential medications should be able to get them free at the point of care what that means is the rest of the system should be reconfigured to make that possible. And if that's going to happen, what it's going to require is a very different model with transparency on all the pricing and all the rebates or kickbacks, or whatever you wanna call them and much more, fundamental recognition that insurance coverage and drug benefit coverage. Are so tightly linked that they have to be considered as a single piece and a lot of the problems that we see in that we've been seeing in these young people who've died have died because of the high list price and the fragmented insurance coverage the two can't be solved. Independently. I don't think well, so Dr lips jump in here because what's your thoughts about how do we achieve for example, the price transparency the doctor Sani was talking about given the complexity of the system now, I mean, how would we get there? Good question. I have to say, you know, tr- transparency is a is a good start. Right. We we need to understand the system. We need to understand how money is passing hand who's profiting how much so that we can see what's fair. What's not fair? What needs to be fixed? But that's that's a starting point. I have to say I'm tired of waiting. What am I supposed to do in my clinic? What is Stephanie? What what is Ryan supposed to do when they can't pay for the insulin. I think we have to try some of these solutions that are on the table and see how well they work with respect to the generic competition. I just wanna say that we do actually have a again, it's not a generic. It's a biologic since insulin is a biologic as Dylan pointed out, we have a full on in product called basic lar-. It's it's a follow on biologics so-called generic it's been on the market. It is a tiny bit less expensive than Lantis. But not by. Much it still. I just checked this morning. You know, two hundred fifty dollars for for a carton of pens of of basic lar-, so very very expensive. So I think if we're going to have more competition has to be a lot more and based on some of the studies done by the FDA, you need to have five or more manufacturers to really bring prices down. So I think we have a long ways to go there. Oh, see before before the power of the generics. Can moderate the price in the market. Okay. Dr sandy. Yeah. I think that you know, the scale of the problem is such that really do need to start thinking about moon shots. So for example. There's really no reason for the middlemen. The middlemen the pharmaceutical benefit managers supposedly exist to lower prices for everyone. Instead, what's happened is they've driven prices up. And then get these rebates that only they see. So nobody else's seeing them. When pharma says that that's been a driver. They're not wrong. But at the end of the day, let's be clear. They have not been hurt one iota by this. So moonshot from me would be for the government to step in and say, we're going to not just negotiate prices were actually going to create a benefit system in which we ascertain eligibility, and we ensure that everybody who is resident in the United States who needs an essential medication will have coverage to do. So, but the government hasn't even been willing to do that with Medicare recipients. I mean, just yesterday at the protests that you lead I spoke with with one of the protesters the gentleman who is seventy years old Mr. drilling who said he's on Medicare because he has a pump an insulin pump. He's covered, but if he had to take an injectable form of insulin. He might fall in the, you know, the part D Donut hole and have to pay for it. So we don't even have an an extent system that works there for people who do have coverage through the government. Absolutely. What's lacking is political will the reality? I mean, Donald Trump said. Something incredibly true when he said, the pharmaceutical sector is getting away with murder. That's actually a true statement that he made in the reality is the political will is what's lacking. So if you see people change their opinion the way you see that happen is typically not through, you know, ten twenty years of argument. Usually, you see that happen when they face the voters when they have to understand that this is a crisis that they're going to have to address whatever they were willing to do in the past doesn't really matter. We're talking about solutions for the future. So I'm going to get back to color just a second. But Dylan Scott, a help us understand these pharmacy benefit managers here for for another minute. Because you know, as Dr sandy was saying they're supposed to bring prices down. They're supposed to help negotiate prices down. But because their form of incentive is those rebates. There's device to to negotiate negotiate prices up, but what's the relationship between these PBS? And insurers themselves. Don't the insurance companies actually own them. Well, we've started to see some burgers in this space that I think have raised a lot of eyebrows. You know, CVS care Mark has been absorbed into a sure recently, and there's been other talks about PBS at insurance linking up. And so they present this as like this would give us the leverage to negotiate with more directly with the pharmaceutical companies. We'd kind of eliminate that middlemen paradigm that we have right now. And therefore, hopefully that would help to bring prices down. I think the question is whether that would really be true, or whether you know insurance companies would have just absorbed, some of the the prophets that the PBS now make independently and other piece of this that I think is is worth mentioning is that the Trump administration has to their credit zeroed in on this rebate problem, they have rolled out some proposals that would in essence require that. If a PBMR a health insurer receives a discount on a pharmaceutical drug that those savings must be passed along to the to the patients as. As we've noted a few times. Now, that's right now where PB M's grabbed their share of the money. That's where they're able to make their profits is by taking a a piece of that rebate and keeping it for themselves. And that's why patients don't see the full savings on their end. And that's why you always hear the firma suitable companies talk about how the discounts and the rebates are the real problem. Right. Well, let's go back to our callers. Go to chase who's calling from Savannah, Georgia. Chase you're on the air. Hi, thanks for taking my call. I am now. Twenty years old. I've had diabetes practically my whole life. I got diagnosed at eleven months along with my identical twin brother, and until recently, I actually had no idea about the need for influent for people who can't afford it. I'm currently under my parent's insurance. So I only pay about twenty five dollars every time. I go to get a carton of insulin. And one of my biggest concerns is what happens when I no longer covered under my parents insurance. I'm really hoping by that time that this this price is fixed because I don't think I'll be able to afford insulin. If I can no longer be supplied by my parents. And it's just extremely concerning for me because you know, I needed to live. I take it multiple times a day. And it's extremely stressful to think that other people are dying. Because they can't get something. They they they need to live. We'll chase. Thank you so much for your call. Dr lips. What would you advise chase to do? I mean, he's looking at a future where he's he may have a gap in his insurance coverage right chase. I can only empathize. How you know how stressful that must be I think that means that all of us have about five to six years to solve this problem. So that chased doesn't doesn't face this when he ages out of his parents insurance, but a lot of patients, you know, a lot of people with with type one diabetes is saying, you know, we we really worry about our jobs. We have to find jobs that specifically give us a good insurance plans. And it's extremely stressful to live in the world where you have to think that way in order to survive right because insulin is so essential. Well, let's take one more call. Let's go to Sherman who's calling from Miami. Fl. Florida Sherman you're on the air. Hi europe. Panelists alluded to innovation and quality talked about the free market as a solution. And I think that is fundamentally mistake, and as your panelists suggested so much of the innovation that goes on in the country is actually created by the government, and what we have companies that have been promoting this notion that they need to make these prophets. And that's just simply not true. So really part of the solution because they use these same techniques, it's affordable housing in so many aspects of our society that way to really change. It is we have to change it at the polls. We have to elect officials who are willing to take on the system and saying that government has an important role in this and Neo going to make sure that people have the things they need whether it strikes or whether it's a Ford -able housing education, transportation, that's what has. Place and the fake news is saying that government needs to stay out of these things. Well, sherman. Thank you so much for your call Dylan, Scott, let me turn back to you briefly. And and for all of us, all my guests here just got a couple minutes left to go. But but Dylan there's something s you I not that long ago. I had a conversation with another physician has looked at the prescription drug crisis cost crisis here in the United States. And she essentially said that you know, the truth is is that the the US tax payer US patients in use of insurance holders are subsidizing given our current system, they're basically subsidizing the lower cost that other people in other countries see because their governments will negotiate prices down. So what if we flipped it all on its head? I mean, one of the ideas that Congress's kicking around is using those foreign drug prices as a central benchmarks or even price controls to in terms of how much things should cost here is that realistic at all have a future in America. Well, it is a it's an idea that. It's gotten some interest from both sides of the aisle. The Trump administration has floated a pilot project that would effectively use foreign prices as price controls here. Bernie Sanders and Representative ro Khanna in the house have proposed a Bill that would do much the same thing. I think there are a lot of questions about how that kind of policy would actually work as it's been described to me, the ideal is that prices in foreign countries, go up a little bit prices in the United States come down. But I think the concern is that if foreign company foreign countries don't react as we expect. And if they just keep their prices low, and then American prices, come to all the way down to meet them that that maybe that's when you start to get to a place where we're cutting into the revenue for pharmaceutical companies so much that we do start to worry about what the effects on innovation might be there is there the the difficult thing about this entire issue is that I think everybody seems to agree that innovation has kind of become a red herring that the pharmaceutical companies used to discourage any kind of price controls, but there. Is some kind of point like we won a market that that incentivizes innovation, and and you do have to worry as you get more and more aggressive about when you start to cross a align. And and really do start to impede innovation. Well, doctor said he would just got thirty seconds left to go. So I'm going to give you the last thought of of the day. How do we how to fix this? So I wanna know the families of the people who've died they shown the kind of leadership that we all have to step up and meet that's the challenge for all of us. I don't see it as strictly political question. It's really moral question. Are we going to have a community? And are we going to support each other? And if that's true, then a lot of other things will have to follow. Well, Dr because Sani is co chair of the right? Caroline's grassroots patient advocacy coalition. He's also president of the loud institute. A nonpartisan healthcare think tank that's challenging the high cost of healthcare in America. Dr sandy thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. And. Kasha Lipscomb endocrinologist and diabetes researcher at Yale school of medicine. Dr Lipsky thank you so much for being with us today. Thanks for having me and Dylan, Scott healthcare reporter for vox. It was great to have. You got linked to Dylan's reporting on point radio dot org. Thanks so much Dylan. Thank you. 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792: Dark Matter

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

37:37 min | 1 year ago

792: Dark Matter

"This episode is being brought to you by the fourth annual voices of Dentistry Summit over four years ago. Dr Alemi Dr Jason Lipscomb and I got together because because we are trying to figure out a way to meet each other fellow podcasters and our audiences all in one place so it was at that point that the voices of dentistry was born. The first one was in Nashville. And we've been in Scottsdale ever since she's guys guys. This is the epitome of an anti conference with some of the most groundbreaking innovative and fun. That's the big word. Fun podcasters and presenters in the dental profession. So come join your hosts and fellow podcasters Ellen. Meade Dr Jason Lipscomb of delhex. podcast cast Dr Justin Moody from the dentist. Implants in worms podcast and yours. Truly Dr Mark Hostas from the dental podcast. Additionally I think we have one of the strongest lineups up's invoices of dentistry. History check out. This list of presenters Dr Mike. 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It's time to put down that hand piece. You're listening to the show dedicated to helping dentists get their lives back. It's time to decrease your stress increase your ability and regain your passion now introducing your host. Dr Mark Kostas a low everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Dental Corner. PODCAST I'm your host Dr Mark Costas in this episode. We hear from our very own Alastair MacDonald tedtalk speaker market and Financial Guru Black Belt coach our in house philosopher for today's speaks about a mind bending and paradigm shifting concept that he calls dark matter. That's all I'M GONNA say. You guys have to stay tuned. This is fascinating sitting as usual. And it's just fun to listen to the Guy Talk. He's he's a very very gifted orator so I hope you guys enjoy this episode. Let us know what you think over there on our Dental Success Institute facebook group. Please make sure that you're popping on over to dental success. TV on Youtube for content. That you won't find on on this podcast and Come on over to the dental success. Summit Dot Com the dental success network dot com slash costas. Lots of great great things Rut Lots of great ways for you guys to interact with US awesome community. Okay have a wonderful day. We'll talk to you very soon. I WanNa talk about something that hopefully nobody's ever spoken to you about and secondarily something that will be super valuable. There is a virus that I want to blunt in your operating system in the hope that you may be able to catch yourself this has may or may not have anything to do with industry but but it definitely has something to do with some aspect of your life. This realization was a game changer. For me I'll tell you a little about that in a second so there's something in the universe cold dark matter. I don't know if anybody's familiar with it. But DOC met has an unusual thing do really used the term. IDIOPATHIC industry uses this year's so it's like a catch all we have no idea should just went wrong and dark. Matter is the physicist's version of that that I don't know what it is but there's something there it's an unusual thing I postulated in the early nineteen twenty s by a Dutch physicist and later on picked up in nineteen seventy-three by a guy named Fritz Fritz. Mack who is a professor at California. The Institute of Technology and the thing about dark matter is that it doesn't participate in the electromagnetic field. That means that it is never going to show up for us to see nowhere on the electromagnetic spectrum. Does Doc Meta display itself. This this means light. It doesn't reflect light. It doesn't generate light It doesn't even bend light it. We can't we know it by its absence. The only way that we know that dark matter exists which accounts for as much as eighty five percent of known space eighty five percent of non space twenty five percent of the actual energy in the universe is dark Meta. How do we know it? We we know it by its effects. We know it by its gravitational pull so it pulls things together in fact. Some physicists postulate that absent dark dark matter. This is one of those strange what are called conventional methodologies of calculation by Carl Papa. Who would say that? We know it by what it is not really weird. We know it by what it does in the universe. Some physicists. As I say would postulate that absent. Dark Meta entire solar systems systems would spin out into oblivion and galaxies would collide sexually what makes space space but we cannot see it. We can't influence influence it. We have no idea even what it's composed of so we know it by what it causes closes not by what it looks feels. 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I and intimately strange photographer. WHO would show up prosection disappear from month and for a short period of my then girlfriend now wife join me for it and so this was a cover story for National Geographic back in nineteen ninety five in fact as an aside? How's this for a little insight into pull through? He's written somewhere in the order of thirty six different travel books and in the piece in the article six months were spent together. He says LS McDonald Donald. A local guide joined me for the section of the river sentiment facts who use faxes at the time and I said Paul what is this Joined me for this period of the trip bullshit as like how about carried wiped to the also took care of kept safe. You know any rights back professional travel. All right cannot concede value added cannot make anyone else to hero and he ended up writing a separate piece included a lot about Out Trip together in a book called fresh air fiend. It's a great book not because it's got me in it. It's really an interesting book. It's a good book despite being And so I go town with his trip. This expedition and it was a relatively small community. Steve Knows Ellen knows it. Relatively small community so word gets out like Manziel with US National Geographic contract. Ah and when you get a contract with National Geographic it. It's probably it. It's kind of. It's better ETA than as seen on. TV It was absolutely absolutely up. My Safari business was only going to explode. Because of the inferred endorsement that came with it and about three or four months later I decided to sometime post then got the contract with Smithsonian with immune Bunch of museums from France and moist crazy. Things film crews went looking for the tribe up near Kenya. The two toed tribe on the border of Mozambicans Zimbabwe. That was a trip is a tribe of people out there with this awesome will deficiency that gives them. They looked like it. Looks like crows like ostrich feet who is huge threat to go find him because his stories of them is pictures from the sixties Blah Blah Blah. All these cool things came from it and about six months later I sold my business and moved to the United States and I was standing out front. My Dad's business and talking to a girlfriend of a very good friend of mine nine and she was saying I've heard you're going to the states and young and she looks at me like Oh idiot she said why why. Why would you do that? And I didn't have an onset. I don't have an onset but some part of me knew that this conversation was one wouldn't forget the experience you know everybody's had that I don't know what this is but I know this is going to be a reference point in future and this is probably that reference point. I couldn't really answer. Why packed up in at GonNa Take Wolf So I moved to the United States and I lied and and started working on Wall Street. They're like Oh you tell us about your academic create. I'm like will and it's just a torrent of bullshit that I made up and it turns out that actually is what qualified work on Wall Street. And so I did that for a period of time horrific experience bunch of shocks just terrible people. I left because I couldn't grow at Dorsal often. It just I just hated it. Everything is crap has moved out to Boulder Colorado and I've got into the direct investment advisory and management business. I stopped doing that. I was in a partnership that didn't go. Well it's talking about my qualifications earlier about partnerships. It didn't go well but we had a good agreement in place and that saved me the and life than not quite born daughter speak deal doing these things right and approaching them honesty with integrity present preserves protects people's lives helps your contracts that you do with your partner super important and as much as I'll partnership fell apart a contract didn't and it saved both all of all parties and I'm really thankful for that that and I wasn't aware of how much that had helped me at the time so again do learn from my stupidity. This really was more valuable than I even realized. At the time I then moved into the direct investment management business and We managed ipod game with somebody and we built a significant business very fast and some of you not this was during the housing bubble which I accurately anticipated forecasted stories about that housing crisis market imploded followed by the financial crisis. Just the two most profitable times in my life in the market fell fifty six percent from October fourteenth two thousand seven until March night. The two thousand nine nine gross global indices fell fifty six percent might fund was up forty six percent was incredibly profitable for us one hundred million dollars or a million dollars it turned into forty four four hundred forty thousand With us it jumped to the million four hundred and sixty thousand that's three times improvement over the index unsurprisingly regatta torrent of people that wanted to work with us off after the fact. How did you know this was coming? How did you know S it? Base exploded four hundred percent in the space of eighteen months was contested years pass on and one day I walk into what we have this at the time when we were Bunch of interesting characters but this particular meeting was with one of J. J. P. Morgan's great granddaughters had a lot of money and a lot of money with us. Wonderful Lady a call her lane. 'cause that's your name and we had a great meeting and we walked out and Witton. My partner went to her office. In I went to mind I turn around walk back in and I slump down on her chair and I sit to this all. It's about out. She said what do you mean I said just is this. All it's about you know we we turn lanes twenty five million into twenty nine nine million. Everyone's can sail. What a great job you did not really gonNA move will make any difference lane? Doesn't need this twenty five million anyway. She's making five Millennia here from separate trust that feeds. It's not gonNA make any difference. Says this will it's about and she went kind of Ashen faced the exact same expression that lady outside my dad's business made eighteen years earlier. She said why. Would you say that assist a Christian like is this. Is this what we're doing. And she sat back and cocked ahead and look sideways at me. And she said the sabotage talk. And I knew that I'll partnership had ended. There is something that's going on in your life. That was going on in my life to that. I wasn't consciously aware of and like dark dark matter. I could only identify it by its opposite I could only tell by the outcomes could only tell by the impact impact that it had incapable as I was of recognizing this dog force by Diane. She's The lady eighty. That's being feeding us for the last couple of days Given that we can't identify something we can't we can't even name it. How could we possibly value it? Just like dark matter was evaluate. I don't know all I know is if it's not the everything goes to crap experienced but unspoken and consequently unidentified experienced but not spoken never framed Wolf it cannot be leveraged. This is where this force manifests in your life. It shows up in. It can show up anywhere in your life. It'll show up the daily tasks it'll show up with your clinical works. Some of you in this space are experiencing this right now. It's GONNA show up. His employee management personnel relationships physical health hobbies location Asian belongings and friendships. This is where it's showing up. Maybe for your showing up in one area showing up in five when I look look back at what it was that compelled me to do these various things to be able to have the blissed unbelievably cool experiences. That I've I've had in my life. Every one of these was created by this force that I was not aware of and that force is boredom. I was bored. I was bored of being of doing expeditions. When people looked at me and said you're crazy? Why would you you stop doing this? It's so lucrative. It's about to get better. I was bowled of managing people's money and turning millions and millions of more I was bored. Got Bored of working with Crooks on Wall Street but I was too stupid to realize that. That's what it was. I was walking away from. How does it show SCHOEPP? It shows up with distraction. US distracted checked out. I start losing enthusiasm for the thing. That's right in front funding the relationship that your end the friendship that you're carrying the habits that you have was bored of the sports. I was playing the food I was eating was impatient. I Was Lazy Looking for distraction at every ton. This is how it shows up for me. And it's a recurrent theme distraction. Impatience laziness blame lack of transparency more than anything frustration and resentment. But because I can't see the dog Madda I'm resentful full to end on those around me. It has its own gravitational force in my life that bins the experience of people. I love and I say oh well this a person just does crappy work or why do they always make this mistake. I'm tired of the same things happening over and over again chopping your physical the health. How many people here have lived their health decline and felt its consequences then worked their way back okay? How many people have fallen out of love with a hobby? A sport a diet job. There is magic on the other side of acknowledging boredom. I was never a stupid enough to say you know what I'm actually board. Hold of this. It's just stupid on board of doing clinical dentistry. Don't say that you've worked so hard to get away. You are look at what it's done for your family family. This would be irresponsible of you. Has Anybody heard this. Thank you appreciate your honesty you you bought the home you live in the friendships you have etc etc.. So what can we do. How can we actually formulate some sort of strategy to haunt us this well? We can do it the same way we already do. Except we can bring a level of mindfulness to it that will change everything a level of attention now. I can't see it but I can't offense at a little bit. I just need to identify this area of Aleph Second. She pretty tired of this. So I was tired of managing people's monies and looks at the look at computers in screens and stuff all day and then have kind of fifty percent of my life dealing with the actual humans and the other fifty cents stuck behind a screen trying to turn zeroes into ones. And so I discovered that I I was ready to just throw in the towel and walk away from all of it. We've all experienced that but I had to catch myself and realized that there was a piece of it that actually loved and I was about to throw the baby out with the bath water and the piece that I loved was dealing with the actual high performing clients in entrepreneurs that I had his clients and sit great more of that list of this shit so there are pieces inside what we do that. We actually actually love about a year ago of share. The story of my wife is a veterinarian My wife had just had enough thing about veterinarians that you're you have to be able to do everything. Quite literally you're a surgeon and orthopedist you're a hematologist tallest to radiologist your skin specialist a Dietitian your therapist behavioral Trainings and so forth. You do all of this stuff off and you do it with a patient that cannot communicate to you will bite you and if everything goes well you will. Oh Kill Your own patient house. I feel coaches a puppy to care of. You wrote you up train. You Mentor your trainers. Your Diet took care of old age. Gabi things for your arthritis and then the day came for euthanasia talked about this the other day Latin word for good to death we should all be so lucky to be euthanized. My wife had had enough the compassion fatigue. She came home one day and she was in. Tears should be sitting in O'connor big issue on the phone considering other options. I think think she's considering She the house and she's in tears and she drops his stuff and says I've had enough. I'm done with it Kadewe this anymore. Tears and is some pretty sensitive. Come Watch crying. Someone's getting punched in a very primitive operating system that I have this should just dumb. She's absolutely Okay you're not hanging No no by the way. Don't ever use use logic to solve an emotional problem like don't use an emotional strategy to solve a logic problem so she didn't want any part of it. I see but wait look at this. We've got this amazing team. This businesses doubling time. You're great mentor. You shut up shut up shut up lativa shut up. We've built this amazing hybrid of East and West and Meta shut up. We do integrate. Shut up so of course you know what I said. Six Women Uh so. There was no walking her off the shelf. They're off the cliff. If there was just none walking back from the none of that and that was it she wanted no part of the business and so I'm immediately thinking what can we do. And how can I of course I I had to give it some time. And so we went to shell therapist which is an eleven year old blind. Blue heeler named Boone. An and boone's got these white is and the reason he's all therapist is we take him for hikes and he. I love if this metaphor. He his shapes. That's what Echo location is when a bat is flying through building. They're hearing shapes that a trip trip can hear a shape and that's what he does. He his shapes as sir. We hike if we're not talking cream. He's walking into every tree and every rock but as long as we're talking he can hear us any follow us in our footsteps. So Boone gets extra kibbles if he does those good therapy work. We walk along and we stopped talking into a law to all right anyway. Really WanNa talk about this but we've got to address it dog's got a broken spine. So we went to see Boone in his therapy office in the woods and talk more about it by this time. My wife had kind of purge urged that emotional thing that we all have by the way guys let yourselves. It's not unique to the other genda and started deconstructing this and saying. Hey you're just bored God and she couldn't even hear that didn't want to hear that because it feels insulting. I've worked so hard last time. Medical School Blah Blah Blah. So No. No it's okay. This is magnificent magnificent opportunity. What's inside here that you love doing? She'll still too close to it so she needed time. That time post and she's now found it. She has so much magic to bring to an industry that has even higher depression rates. Even highest suicide even higher opioid and alcohol the whole abuse than dentistry. The only one veterinarians. She has magic to bring to this marketplace. She can change range with the work that we've done in the practices we build a two thousand open. Victory wanted positions in the United States. I shared yesterday. We snagged to. How do we do it by creating eating an environment that people want to be in so that we as I talked about yesterday with your Ed could stand up and say to them? You're it. I'm fit my life is working great. I want some of that by the way. That's what your associates want. And that's what your partners want. They want it. They want your life. If you like working they wanna be part of that. It makes sense. Wouldn't you be easy for us to grow. Excuse me so this is the magic. And this is now creating this internal force that she's building ending the Saudi around as it everything that she's doing inside her day to preserve her unwell being the quality of care etc is going to be wrapped up into a solution that can be rolled out for thousands of other women and men in the field extracting the nuggets. There are things inside your work that have magic use it as a teaching being mechanism. Pay attention to this. It's signaling something to you ignore it at your peril. So how do we engage with it. Personally my recommendation. snus to repurpose what it is already learning. How could somebody that used to track? Lions possibly be qualified to be standing here talking to you today. That's not much of a qualification. Because I see how people behave when they're scared and they don't know what's dangerous and what's not I. Do you guide. I know what's dangerous. It's dangerous especially soiling themselves over here no no it's okay. Don't worry about that. Worry about this. See How people respond looking at markets to global swing of macro economies cycles of social mood waxing and waning however suddenly wants to do one thing just like me. That's how I got qualified for the markets to Talkin advise people about this strategic vision and so forth so repurposing your knowledge recuperating your experience inside this room there are what would you guess mark. How many how many years of dentistry twenty five hundred years of dentistry? If you are one of the people that is carrying the two and a half centuries centuries of experience that would be a travesty for you to walk away from. We've talked in the past student practitioner. Mazda teacher you can teach internally you can teach externally but your value you have magic to share only if you package what it is that you're good at don't overlook the possibility of parallel endeavors. What I mean by this is Chinguetti we talked about it yesterday. I appreciate both of your people's support Buddy slackers to people chiming in supporting us deep pockets short arms James. I appreciate your support Chang. ETA is a parallel endeavor of mine. It doesn't take any any sort of it doesn't give me anything except a sense of creativity contribution belonging and so forth however. I'm able to bring together with rory. My strategic experience back back to be able to create and foster dynamic entrepreneurial guerrilla-style operation. That's killing it and it does the same for me. I mentioned at the summit that my another the federal monies theater. I'm terrible at it but it's fun to get out the make a fool of yourself you know by the way you're doing everyday to we all to someone in some in part about life or you're GONNA get bored. It's helpful for me in theatrical experiences limited as I've had to be able to talk to my friend dissed off about how to interact with people. How do case presentation? It's the truth is it's a performance on the repurposing of our experience. What do we consider when when we think about whether deploy the sport in the magic the nuggets that you have inside your experience I would encourage you to not necessarily do something? That's going to be expensive. This happens a lot. nomex talked about God at least practices. They've been so successful. I'm the by Krizner's what this the increases your risk profile. It doesn't actually change the dynamics for you. I don't think anyone wants to be in the franchise business unless you WANNA Stopping an entrepreneur franchise on his own not entrepreneurs have a very dear friend who owns a string of fast food. Things Calls Entrepreneur. He's absolutely full of it. Easy test. I said great change prices. Change the logo change the slogan. Change the way you deliver something Katuni of that so avoid franchises. Because it's not I'm going to give you what you want that creativity. So how do you solve encourage you to think about maintaining your risk profile. It's one thing to stop side businesses and so forth but pay attention to the marginal risk that it increases to your practices to your own. Well being It's very easy to be distracted by shiny objects in the latest thing so you certainly could incur a cost. Chinguetti costs me money but it doesn't well. It does increase risk. I should probably have read the slide before I taught made this point. I'm no longer travelling to was ends in in Mali Day. It doesn't reduce it doesn't have my risk anymore but for the most part I don't want it to. That's why I stopped going to Mali. Because I as much as I care about elephants required honest care about being a dad but not look out for it the cross pollination of all of your strengths. Some here may have heard mark and I did a podcast about The Printing Press Gutenberg. If you haven't listened to that I just think it's a fascinating story. I may not deliver particular well. But it's a fascinating story of the power. Our of cross pollinating skill sets. He was ten worker in Goldsmith than he sold trinkets and then he went to work at a winery and so on and so forth and we ended up with the printing press we can. We can use this cross pollinate autry aspect of our experiences to build fascinating thanks including things that don't exist yet one. The best places to look. Is that the the the sun in your shoe. What's bothering you what's bothering my wife is going to turn into a product that will remove that same burden for dozens thousands of other people now it may not be a product that sold that? It'll be something that's valuable could ahead of myself. The power of boredom cannot be overstated but like dark matter. It is having an effect on your your life whether you're conscious of it or not. I encourage you to be conscious to pay attention to it. Where are you bought? Who are you bored with but most importantly do you allow yourself to get bored? You'll mom will not let you get borders. Dentistry will not because she. I cannot imagine you doing anything else without really undermining families wellbeing without really ruining your increasing the risk to her grandchildren has anybody the experienced this or something similar they cannot allow it. Do not give away a big future to the ignorance of other people's bulls fear. Don't do it. There is magic on this frontier of your bottom and it is signaling something to you it is asking more of you and allowing more from and it has made it is the fundamental force that has made my life interesting at least for me. It's made it interesting for me and I've only just recently figured this out now that I have it now that I'm aware of it. The magic in my life is officially weaponized weaponized boredom you will change you. It will blow up relationships it will destroy your business. It will reduce skill of your clinical work. It it will get you sued. It'll get you drunk. Depressed surfing illicit websites. It will do a lot of things you know the symptoms and you change or it's changes you. Thank you episode is being brought to you by our friends ends over there at Compassionate Finance. Did you know that the average American mix less than forty five thousand dollars per year. It has less than two thousand dollars in savings that is the typical consumer that we are presenting both simple and complex dental treatment. Tick if you look around. Consumers are buying everything from cell phones to TV's ABC's two cars and houses with monthly payments. Just think about how many more cases you could close and how much more same day treatment. I bet you be able to complete if you had a fast and easy way to accept easy monthly payments from your patients. Well that's where compassionate financed finance comes in. 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Dreamers: Camille Claudel

Encyclopedia Womannica

05:01 min | 2 years ago

Dreamers: Camille Claudel

"Hello and welcome back from Wonder Media Network. I'm Jenny Kaplan and this is encyclopedia Britannica in case you're just tuning in. Here's the deal we're taking five minutes a day. Every weekday for a year to tell the story of a different woman from throughout history who you may or may not know about the definitely should each month is themed and this month. We're talking about dreamers women who should be remembered for their creative achievements. Today's dreamer is famous or infamous for her relationship with another celebrated sculptor but she should be remembered in her own right her strong will her incredible artistic ability and her passion were reflected. It didn't hurt groundbreaking work. Let's talk about Camille. Claudel Famille was born in a small French village on December eighth eighteen sixty four into a rich family she. She started working with Klay at a young age and showed such early. Promise that an eighteen eighty one her father moved the entire family to Paris so Camille could study art there. She enrolled at the Academy Color Rossi by the time she was eighteen years old old. Camille was a student of sculptor Alfred Boucher when he had to leave for Italy who she asked a ghost Rodin the famous sculptor responsible for the thinker to take over his students Camille stood out for her fiery witty temperament and the sexual themes. She liked to explore on her sculptures. The sexuality in art wasn't particularly taboo at the time. Only men were usually permitted to be explicit and there were Camille Willingness To Express is lust shocked some critics and Mujibur family though her fatherm encouraged her work after road desk started overseeing Boucher Students Redan Camille started a love affair that lasted ten years the relationship was tumultuous and it left a mark on both of their careers Camille often modeled for Odette or assisted him with the sculpting and in the late eighteen eighties Camille sculpted themed bust of her teacher lover after many. Misunderstandings and disagreements Camille broke off the relationship she was eager to forge her own career and differentiate herself from Rodin and she began to produce even more intimate and vibrant work some of her most famous this works include the gossip's a smaller piece featuring a group of women animatedly huddled in the corner trading secrets and the wave an honest marble wave cresting over three cowering bronze figures as commuters career continued she grew impoverished and increasingly reclusive. She smashed many of the works in her studio to prevent other artists especially Rodin from stealing her ideas. She was convinced of a conspiracy against Sir writing that there was a quote malevolent hand working behind the scenes to divest me of all my friendships in nineteen thirteen. When can you was almost fifty? Her father passed away after that her family admitted Camille to mental asylum. It's unclear whether Camille was admitted voluntarily some assert that her younger brother Paul kept her trapped in the asylum against her will in nineteen twenty nine commuters. Meals former friend and fellow sculptor Jesse lipscomb visited her and insisted that she was fine others say that Camille developed schizophrenia on October Nineteenth nineteen forty-three Camille passed away alone at the age of seventy nine she had been in the psychiatric hospital for thirty years. Though only about ninety of communities works survived destruction she started to gain recognition after her death. The National National Camille Claudel Museum and France opened in two thousand seventeen and the Musee Rodin Paris has a room dedicated to her art. Commuters Passion fueled her incredible sculptures leaving a lasting legacy. Let's see tune in tomorrow for the story of another woman. You may not know about the definitely should we'll be talking about. A woman harnessed her dreams for her. This month of Encyclopedia Amanda is brought to you by Casper Casper mattresses and products. Let today's dreamers get the sleep. They need to turn their ideas into reality special. Thanks to the one and only lizzy caplan favorite sister and the genius researcher behind this.

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REShow: Trent Dilfer - Hour 2 (03-11-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

54:51 min | 3 months ago

REShow: Trent Dilfer - Hour 2 (03-11-21)

"Thus is the rich eisen. Show one thing. The cowboys won today. I'm insulted when people say gambled no the best step by let's rule the dak prescott is worth every penny show earlier on the show. Nfl network insider ian rep four still to cost super bowl. Champion quarterback trent dilfer nfl network. Reporter tom pella cerro plus espn senior nba writer. Ramona shelbert and now rich is all right. Everybody welcome to our number. Two of the rich eisen show her on the air. We welcome everybody. Who might be listening to us on. This terrestrial radio or sirius. Xm channel to eleven were also here on peacock for our number two. We just spoke to ian rapoport my colleague from the nfl media group. Talking about What is going on in the nfl. And he said that the chiefs cutting both their tackles mitchell. Schwartz and eric fisher schwartz. He was expecting Because as he intimated that schwartz when he comes back healthy he's going to have some choices. I guess to continue playing football this guy. We're hardly ever missed a snap. And there's eric fisher. Who might not be ready until next october. And if the chiefs are wondering about the physical readiness of these tackles for next year you might as well go shopping for a more healthy one right now. That's pretty much the two cents. Certainly if you are in a division that scott. Joey bosa and max crosby and you know von miller were expecting to be back and healthy and bradley chubb and you gotta get you gotta get this thing straightened out Certainly four homes. Who i think is still convalescing from toe surgery and is still Limping around like crazy based like on super bowl. Fifty five in in this hour. Our good buddy. Who's now the head coach of lipscomb academy football which made it to the State championship game before losing in the state championship game. Trent dilfer as the head coach there and he's an elite eleven Coach who is sees all these prospects since since they're high schoolers all the way to making it to the nfl draft podium. So i wanted to ask him about lawrence. And zack wilson an trae lance and matt jones and justin fields and his thoughts. And he's also a guy who he told us. Years ago kris that to a tongue vilo was one of the best prospects he had ever seen and Ever seen he. We had him on the day after to a looked off the safety to beat georgia in the national championship. Game because we saw video of doing that exact maneuver in an elite eleven workout that exact maneuver of looking office safety and dropping one and beautiful pass to win a game and so trump was talking them up and i wonder what he thinks right now that everybody in the nfl thinks. The chargers made a much better moving. The miami dolphins made a huge mistake in choosing to over herbert. So there's lots to talk about With trent dilfer and is for those prospects that i mentioned at quarterback tom polisario film media group colleague wrote a piece in. Nfl dot com today talking to all the scouts and evaluators. That would have been able to kick the tires on all of these top quarterback prospects at a combine. They haven't what do they think of him. He went ahead and did what he would have done. At the annapolis. Combine doing all the legwork talking to all these scouts and talent. Evaluators ramona shelburne Will join us an our number. Three's well it's the one year anniversary of the nba finding that rudy gobert tested positive for corona virus before game and oklahoma city and the sports world essentially changed from there on. So that's there's all of that put together chris. Do you have a news update to put together for the rest of the show. The next two hours. Can you put one together for us can do that happened. And what is going on in the the players championship. That's going on on man. Well kevin notch just put two in the water on seventeen us eating a snowman on seventeen after he was three under on the day. And that's what i would do it. Sawgrass it's crazy but sergio garcia's your weiner. He is thrown a seven under sixty five in the clubhouse with that one too sitting in the clubhouse three-shot lead on matthew fitzpatrick and corey connors. Who was in the hunt last week. Very good that's your update and That's on nbc. Sports this weekend nbc. Sports and golf channel Today and tomorrow as well very excited to be part of that world right here on On peacock nbc sports on peacock thursday. Through sunday the players championship. Oh yeah there's a little bit of music rent. Exciting stuff will keep an eye on that leaderboard throughout the next two hours of the show and seeing all done. You know what this is a crazy question to ask it anyway. Love it ready for this anywhere. Here's here's this is totally crazy off the wall question. Has tom brady. Figured it out like it being could've life for all. That's a little bit more macro for a show. Chris figured it out because we don. If you can get that graphic from our first segment on on our wednesday we want to see a super bowl one in the first iteration of somebody's contract right. You draft him drafts a kid. You make serious. Hey what the kid and you win a championship with the kid. Because you know you're going to end up having to pay this kid and market value for said kid as we've seen with dak and patrick mahomes is a lot of money and you can move cap numbers around for the beginning of the contract to make sure that you don't have to totally blow your team on the spot because they're taking up twenty percent of the cap or twenty some odd percent of the cap. You see matt ryan's now making up twenty two percent of the cap of a team that In the atlanta falcons that is drafting fourth overall. You got an agent quarterback that's twenty two percent of your cap. Julio jones is over ten percent of your cap to. He can't even stay healthy for your quarterback that's that's out there running fighting for his life at twenty two percent of the cap you win four games. I mean that's not where you want to be. You wanna be in a position where you've won a championship with somebody. In their first contracts you know when you pay them. Pizzazz them overpay them. Maybe to use the phrase of jerry jones that you're at least you know what you got in this quarterback and maybe you can rebuild or retool or plan for the future with other expensive players and try to win or do you get a quarterback that will just take less. I know that sounds nutty right. I know that sounds crazy. How do you find that person. Out of out of everything about brady's remarkable talents and everything about brady's remarkable style and how he's constantly eating right. He's got seven trophies and he's never been paid like dak and he's never been paid like russell wilson's being paid or mahomes being he's never sat there and said you know i got. I've got to get that. He's always taken less and put it all together with that talent. And with that neck ability to process and assess in real time prior to snap leading up to a game having that experience all in this body that seems to defy time and age because of the way that he's constantly living life time cutting off the ends of a banana eaten she exceeds and sure right and all of that and then put it up on his. Put it up on screen. Not just him winning his championships here but mccray fota. He's won four of the last five championships of the super bowl of somebody. Who's not on their rookie deal again. The last ten years of the nfl we talked about it yesterday. I'll keep reiterating this because this is the way that you're putting the puzzle pieces together in the. Nfl now is because you're not paying someone out of college in drafting the highest paid amount out in the history of your franchise. Which is what it used to be when you drafted quarterback in the top five top ten first round. Pay them a lot of money. Now they're slotted so you can see what you have in them. So i if you don't have that okay if you don't strike it rich figuratively with somebody who in their rookie contract and you've got to win it with somebody in their second third or multiple years down. The road contract brady has won six of the ten super bowls in this new year. New bar collective bargaining world where. You're trying to win with a rookie contract. And if you can't what do you do. He's won four of the six super bowls in the last ten years. I mean he's one for the super bowls in the last ten years and since super bowl forty four ally manning was the first. I guess right there. That was not on a rookie deal. And then tom brady after that. One super bowl forty nine pay one super bowl fifty then he wants super bowl fifty one brady and brady's wanna last two and so he is not once eaten up more than twelve point six percent of of the team's cap has he figured it out. Well what i'm saying the one thing. He does have figured out. He's one of one right. He's the only. Nfl quarterback married to the world's greatest. Supermodel come on man. I i really think that has a lot to do with it. But it's not able to quote unquote take less. Because he's not the sole breadwinner of his house. I don't. I don't has to play to play tufo posted on twitter yesterday. Somebody had brought up the fact that brady never takes you know x. Amount of money. His wife is worth. How much might four hundred she. She's worth like you're saying the household collectively taking care of the two of them in a way that makes them generational wealthy. He's not had eat. Never felt compelled to stick craft. You have to. I really think. That's a factor. It might only be twenty percent but they're able to take less then like market value. Whatever you say you say. It's his turn. So how many times would it have been. Brady's turn if he was married to jane instead the zil you know like an entertainment to the manning's up there who come from. I'd say you know pretty comfortable financial backing. They're not but but but payton was at the payton winning his super bowl Not on a rookie. Deal was him in his last year. And then eli you know. When was not on his rookie deal. Either allies one of the highest paid player but but he was making fourteen million dollars. A year was earlier on like. If eli was doing that now right he might be being paid. If you're as if he was mahomes age was the age of you. know dak that's maybe the way it would be so timing might be in that case. I don't know man brady was taking less than before he was with giselle. I mean you know. He's always taken less than before before his his household was created. He was always doing that. But the first coach dynasties you know obviously it would be helpful. If let's just say you inherited money to that you don't need it. But i also think to your point about timing just think about what was the salary cap in two thousand and three a lot different than it is in two thousand eighteen now. Twenty twenty one. So i think i also think. That's a factor. I just think again you take a look at the two most successful players in in the nfl and nba right of our generation. It's tom brady. And michael jordan right We're all they're still. They're still chasing got rest his soul. Kobe came close right. There's still chasing jordan lebron's chasing him. Still right jordan took to all the time now. He wanted his towards the end rise also side all. Oh mike mean. I'm not gonna see what what side stuff like gatorade or i'm talking about. Yeah i'm talking about extra. I know that i know that. So that might have been his ability. Say i'll take less in my playing career. I mean i had to be a little bit of bears. Kind of point that stuff out pointing out. I think to say that it's a complete non factor as a little. You know little short side. I think it definitely played into short. I just. I'm sitting here and trying to put the puzzle pieces together and i think you'll be hearing it over and over and over again and i think we've been at the forefront of that conversation is that in the nfl the jets are going to restart the clock on darnold. That's why you're always going to try and restart the clock and you're going to see a lot of teams try and restart. The clock with with their quarterbacks. Their quarterback situation with the bears be better off restarting the clock with their quarterback situation. Right now i think so. But if they can't or they won't then they need to get somebody who can win them a championship and doesn't break the bank for him right. But i'm also guy you can get where you can get it. I get it. I get that and i and i saw. I don't begrudge jack for doing doing regarding like yet maybe on your tax now the tax gotten what he's gotten in his next contract where you're already reading it. Well great contract because his next one that he's up next one that he's up even move. The money's going to be more television and the gambling money. He's gonna start coming into the nfl superbowl so he's going to get more or just be thirty. One i would counsel slump. You got your money. Take less look what brady did. Look what jordan did it comes down to these guys like. How important is wing. That's why i'm asking. Brady's figured it out and i think the answer is yes. Obviously now you're saying he's figured it out because it's great life that he has. He's he married. He married a wonderful wife and mother who happens to be one of the greatest earners in her profession. Right dust takes the pressure off him. Having to stick craft or that chest powder. I need to be the highest paid. Not as you have to also say that he has also prior to having a considerable breadwinner being his spouse taking that approach before then to he also one of lot really early and so that kind of took the pressure where he's like. I've already won. He was already a hall of famer really essentially by year. Five six seven so now he can just kinda four three so to answer. The question that i think is crazy is brady figure it out short answer yes long. Answer the last ten minutes of this show. Trent dilfer knows how difficult to this whole right. I mean and tom brady got seven of them. It's insane nuts. We'll talk about some prospects in the nfl draft. Trent dilfer next. it's a podcast about money but stacking benjamin's not only has great financial insight. It's laid back with humor too. 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I don't tell almost we talked about it. You can't tell wait a minute talk about it. Also because nobody wants that back uniform freely tough cookie man what could be present. Snap a new of another way for cooking it. On that day i might be doing gok. He's jason death. No no no no no. I'm be honest. Math twin brother place on the titans. Everybody should know is you damn taste is really no way to tell. Honestly because say doesn't even though the different i don't wanna know parents rap stuff going on better to him so i can't let them go out there and play for jason extra course or still throw story meant to love this service. Was you know how who's been check out all of gb. Smooths work at five super bowls. I or six did ton of them. I forgot five. Yeah five youtube dot com slash rich. Eisen show our youtube feed is Is one of our favorite things to call your attention to were also sub channel if you will on. Nbc sports youtube page peacock tv dot com for. Everybody wants to see us here every day. If you're not watching streaming on whatever device you can you can hit us on a on a desktop Eight four four two four rich is the number to dial i love this man's mindset. He knows a ton about he knows more about football right here in my pinky of my aunt than most of us know in our entire body. an easy on the phone line right now chris. Yes sir. here's the head coach of lipscomb academy football and he is also the head coach elite eleven and he's also one of my favorite people on the planet. He is trent dilfer here on the rich eisen show how are you. Trent take the last bio intros. My favorite of the three is that right. The fact that. I'm here of your favorite people on the planet usually want people's most hated people on the planet talking about trent. Come on now come on. I'm just kid come on now. What's happening brother. It's good to chat with you. It's good to see you Let's just start Macro here what what went through your mind as you watch tampa bay when the super bowl trent from back in your day. Let's just go that way. What did you think of when you saw that you please conflict one happy. I was super happy. Okay good to jack I was i really. You know i look at the game. I try to learn Through watching the game. And i thought it was a great exercise and learning how much a team can evolve and grow and get better goes on. You know you go to your talk show. I'm guessing weeks wouldn't win. Was there by week. They got beat by new orleans. Was that week nine. I think no yeah and then we were talking about it yesterday. That you know i picked tampa to win it all before the season and then on game day morning i had an opportunity to to again on thanksgiving and that was the weekend they were seven and four going into take on the chiefs and i hopped off them and they had the and there's nothing wrong with that. I mean 'cause they weren't great. They were talented but not great and they did. It hadn't fit yet hadn't clicked. I don't think they knew who they were. So i i watched did that second half of the season just saying okay. Something happened over the bye week. There was a come to jesus. There was Tom brady finally opened his mouth and said no. This is the way we're going to be great. You know going from talented gray. We're gonna start doing the little ugly boring monotonous things. Well we're gonna clean up some of our scheme stuff we're in a kind of find our identity and it was pretty amazing watching them grow after that point how one. They became much more stubborn with the run game. So you gotta give the play callers a lot of credit because we have that those types of weapons. It's hard to call boring runs. It's hard to be patient getting two and a half three and a half yards a carry on i. Now they started relying more tight ends They added titans into protection so where they were five six protections they became sick seven protection so adding an extra guy into protection. Brady all of a sudden. You saw his normal calmness comeback in the pocket which you didn't see in the new orleans game early on in the year and then even further than that then what they do off those boring things. They actually became very very creative. They kind of found this new way of playing offense of football In off boring having really cool sisli plays off really boring stuff so they suck the boring stuff and then they flashed and sizzle you the explosive stuff and while all this is going on they are growing as a defense sure they're becoming nastier nastier stronger healthier at the end getting some big guys back up front playing more snaps that the young linebacker whites plans good as anybody else. They're veteran back playing good secondary they start growing. They start playing more stuff what they did. The green bay is one of the great secondary game plans. I've seen in a long time. And they just evolved. And i guess long way of saying. I really appreciated the nfl in the midst of the craziest year of all of our lives. No ota's really no training camp that they took the long tail approach to win a super bowl. They said hey. We gotta not flinch when bad things happen us. Ms learning lessons grow and make sure we're getting better every single day with this group of people and with the greatest player that's ever played by the end. We should be able to finish this race and you more than anybody know how difficult it is to get to a super bowl and win what it means to actually win it. What it means for your resume. Seven is insane and the fact that we can sit here and say eight is absolutely in the realm of possibility if not More likely than the not is incentive. It's incited with arbitrary numbers. I'm like yeah. He's one third super bowls and nobody flinches or he might win twenty and nobody really could make having fun with it like. It's it's mind boggling. You can't process you can't really comprehend. What an incredible achievements and then for tom brady and do you think it's messing with the heads of others. Like rogers what he said after the championship game About wondering about his future because he saw brady walk into a new team do it his way or or know that there is a way other than the one that he's only known russell wilson sitting here saying what he's thinking thinking what he's thinking. Do you think it's messed with other quarterbacks brains what brady's dying i think it's messes everybody. Nfl's brains as gm's that have done a great job. Never one one. I think it messes with coaches that their processes is good as anybody's and and they haven't won one. I think it messes with guys that have one but think they were gonna one win three or four makes the league knee jerk react. I'd say that. I think that's the great tom. Brady's seven super bowls now have is. It makes the wrestled league knee jerk react and make decisions. That probably aren't long-tailed decisions. Because they just they don't understand it. And i don't think i think anybody that says they understand how he's done. This is showing their ignorance in that statements. I don't think any of us know how he's done this because it's never been done before. I think there's one person that knows how he's done this and his name's tom brady. Maybe a dad because he tells the data. That's the keeper of the secrets. I've got a super bowl champion. And let's go academy football head. Coach lead eleven football head. Coach trent dilfer here on the rich eisen show while we're on the subject of knee jerk reactions. I'm sure you've heard the narrative that justin herbert's better than tool and that that's the way it should have been viewed by everyone in the draft. And that's the way it's only gonna be. And i know you're a to give you the floor on your laughing already. But that is that is i. I am not stuttering. When i'm saying that as a significant narrative that is bouncing around the nfl in its media right now. I think it's true right now but does it matter right now. Does it matter right now. The justin herbert to In borough about your games 'cause really the things about winning or losing not. Who does the most yards. Looks the best who wins. Rookie of the year. Like right now absolutely justin. Herbert was fantastic. Argues on best rookie. We've seen in the last twenty years play quarterback manning through twenty interceptions rookie year. How many of us thought after paintings rookie year. Oh he stinks. He threw twenty interceptions. He's never going to fix this. I y house. Oh back. And i used to watch payton's rookie film when we're just studying offense. Ooh he's got a lot of learning to do i go. We're not sure about this guy. This is peyton manning. He's one of the greatest of all time. So let's let this thing breathe for a few years. Let's let their teams figure out who they are. let's see what they're surrounded with. Now you know justin's got to go through new head coach offensive system. Let's deal that goes. We're really matters us the best in three or four years and who has a chance to take their team to a super bowl in the first contract. 'cause that's really now the new measuring stick for these young quarterbacks is wall you are cheap. Can your team use those assets. Use that money. They're eventually going to have to pay you to pay others to help you get to the super bowl and are you good enough if we surround you with enough good people to take you to us to allow you to take a super bowl so russell wilson like you gotta go now. If you're if you're one of these rookie top picks your goal is before i get my next contract. I need to get my team to a superbowl. Because they're taking all this money that they're eventually going to pay me and they're have to the left tackle the Kinda the extra receiver that you really don't need But you could have That third safety player that third secondary player that you really don't need but you can pay more depth that today the on county presence in free agency that's going to demand a big number but it's a game record. Jj watt is another example of that coin. Zona i can you take us to a super bowl while you're cheap. Let's wait and see. Who does that between borough her to before we get on our soapbox and saying oh yeah we should have had him higher and by the way. I'd also challenge all those guys. Because i was on all the same shows as them being one of them is if they were so right didn't why didn't they have number one on the board like listen. This thing is fluid All three were really good prospects. And i think the guys i respect the most the daniel jeremiah. Guys i got. That's how they presented. It is great prospects. Let see where they fit. Let's see what organizations they go to. Let's see who they're surrounded by. You know let's see their circumstances before we start saying who's gonna be the best. They have different trait. Joe burrow's not as talented as to in her work. He processes faster her has more horsepower and twits than both of them. It paid off his first year. Let's see houses and grows it. It goes to a has the best instincts of the three. He didn't really get to use those instincts the first year. Maybe now he's an assist them then unleashes a little bit more. I don't know but let's at least let's thing let's let this thing play out. So then what would you counsel to or have about year two While he also no doubt goes through the conversation that darnold is hearing which is like boy. We will darnold. I think is hurdle ton stuff but We'll we'll we'll send you to houston. Texans eventually decide watson doesn't really wanna play for them anymore. I mean how. What would you counsel to hose doubt. Hearing all of that out of dolphins fans out imagine same thing. I counsel a seventeen year old. That's frustrated. They only caught four balls instead of ten because he's an all state wide receiver. Trust the process handle the process. Well take care of your business control. You can't control you can't control. the coach. Dilfer calls a terrible game the state championship game. That's not your fault. You did your job when you're acid your job. The rest is on coach. Coastal so two can't control what the organization does. He can't control who they draft if he ends up staying there. You can't control. They dropped big guys on the defense side of the ball or twitchy fast guys office of the ball. He controlled his process. He can be grinding the offseason he can look at his tape and say ooh this is something. I do very good. I i gotta get better at this and go to work at it. He can look his tape. And say though i did this pretty well. I'm going to pat myself on the back and say i'm going to build off of this. These are some positives a process driven approach to this thing. And you start worrying about all the things you can control. Yeah he'll end up the worst worst of three but if he handles his business well and continues to do his thing the best he can. Do it control you. Can control good things will happen. Trent dilfer a few more minutes left with him. Here on the rich eisen show What do you think the jets should do. And that's kind of a way that i can throw everything in together. How you evaluate the quarterback class. With zack wilson. And what you think of darnold and knowing the scheme that robert solace bringing in What options there might be available to other teams to go get darnold. What his fit might be best. I just throw that out as an omnibus through the concept of what you think. The jets should do right here number. One sam wins regardless. I think that he either stays with the jets and they get better And they use their draft capital to get some him some talent finally or they choose to take one of these young bucks and move on from sam and he goes somewhere. It's going to value his skill. Set now everything. I'm hearing and i'm not nearly as deeply transfers. I used to be several the people. I'm trusting telling me that this narratives actually flipped on sam from underachiever to over overachiever. Cheaper considering what he's been dealing with. I think sam is very well looked upon amongst nfl circles. And how he's handled his business how he's controlled. What he could control how his feeling his high ceiling plays that. He showed the ability to make and is correcting some knucklehead stuff. He did his first year. I think all that goes over really well with nfl teams that would rather have a seasoned vet and dropped news. Got new guy. So i think he wins overall. He's also starting to stack up his wraps and this is a conversation. That when you talk to other people talking quarterbacks around out start asking this question how many starts. How many reps being the quarterback have they had from high school to college and now the nfl. Trevor lawrence to me is a no brainer will guarantee be successful. Much like andrew luck because he started four years in college. He's four years in high school three years in college. He's one i mean games. Has he won. I think it's in the hundreds between the two we know very. That's about to see. We only know how much he's lost. Which means he's won a lot if you tell so many opportunities being the quarterback and more than taking snap and the game it's practice it's locker room. Moral authority is being that person. Leaving the bigness of the quarterbacks life off the field so it's a lot of stuff so sam's now just catching up with that remember. We found sam for the elite eleven. We had a broken ankle after junior year playing basketball so we found him off his basketball tape. He hardly played any quarterback in high school. He plays very few very few games in college. So he's just getting that quarterback rep count to where the best stuff's going to come out. And i think people are starting understand that stuff. It's one of the questions around. I think trae. Lance is the second most talented or human fields. I didn't have equal talent in the draft. I think he's wildly talented. He handled properly will be a massive success in the strap. Very few times being the quarterback. So you're going to have to make sure he gets those reps. And he's almost every preseason rout for probably two years and he just sit and watch. She needs to get the reps in the classroom in practice. But don't expect trae lance to step on the field. They want to be successful. Because just has laugh times being the quarterback then trevor lawrence or justin fields or wilson. Or i guess. Mack jones put into that as well as it goes limited reps. Just one year. sorry. So zack wilson. Though would be the guy for a second overall. That would pretty much. Everybody's thinking right now. And i guess dove-tailing to put a button on this entire conversation back to what you said moments ago about. The key is to draft the right guy high up and win a championship while he's cheap and you can pay everyone else around him to support him and then make enough Of the of the success to afford the next contract right. So would you start from scratch. Zack wilson or rehabilitate sam darnold. That's the joe. Douglas question unless again. The shawn watson drops out of the sky for way that the jets feel is. What do you think yeah. I think he's just on watson becomes available every teen. That doesn't have tom. Breyer aaron rodgers. Patrick mahomes jump at that I think i would go keeping darnold. I think he's earned the equity with an organization the city. I think it's tough to earn people's respect in new york. I think he's done that for the most part. You could tell me otherwise. But i know a lot of jets fans the first year two years like. Oh no did it wrong again and now watching compete and grind and have resolved in grad and understanding. How bad they were like okay. This guy is with talent. He's guy so i could get for that reason. He's earned the respect and equity of the fan base and organization And then i'm not sold. Listen i liked tackles. So i'm not gonna say anything bad about him I don't think i think this. He's the guaranteed. Second thing is a little bit of a hot wash. i think you have. You're watching fields. There's a narrative going around everybody's everybody's using the media in the cyber warfare world where they're launching mis- mis- messaging. I think people that. I've talked to that. I really respect and do this. A long time really like fields. The more they watched in the more they realize how gifted the pastor is. I think mack jones has surprised people because they love him as a passer. They know has no second reaction stuff. I think there's teams that aren't quite totally sold on the fact. That wilson wasn't a core captain after being there for three years. He was a game day. Captain when core cap and they have eight core captains and. He's not one of them after being the quarterback for three years. I personally have never heard of that before. So i think this is still early. There's a lot of false narratives out there. And i wouldn't be surprised if this comes off the board after lawrence a little bit different than people are saying right now trying to deal for. Look for my call in april you. The man appreciate the time truly. You're the best rich see about right back at you. That's trent dilfer right here on the rich eisen show. Wow that's a lot right there. Oh baby so by saying that. Zack wilson was not a core captain. Does that mean he's the bo callahan of this year's draft class. Chris thought the same thing draft a on now how many people went zag. Wilson's birthday party. Oh that's what happened with bill callahan ryan san. None of his teammates update. And there's no vaunting mac in the track for the to choose second overall no matter what vaunt. Mac played by the brilliant chadwick. Boseman may he rest in peace but You're you're again. Trent is not a troll that k. He's not he's not sitting here and saying it because he knows what kids do and what they need to do to get to where they are and he respects them all. he's just pointing out. Something about zack wilson. That other people are saying that might actually be part of an evaluation. And how many times have we seen it. Somebody who's right here at the top of the flow chart on people's draft boards right after the combine it suddenly reverses in. Somebody wasn't the combine. I remember wasn't saquon barkley. The number one overall pick coming out of that year's combine it was he was jumping through the gym and we were looking up at. Nfl network was last time. Running back was chosen first overall. And let's let's get ready for that. In dallas in wound up being baker mayfield which the day before we will always baker. Sam darnold right right so you never know you never know and justin fields may have some sort of comeback here right. The ohio state pro day hasn't happened yet and he'll look great and it'll be like well. Let's hold on a second. Because trevor lawrence with his flowing hair. Right his goldilocks and his clear. First overall status who are not Playoff game christopher. Who's the quarterback who won that player. Who is a quarterback who dropped a million times in that playoff game. Who's the one was it six touchdown passes. Oh i think you just two more us. Justin fields justin failed man. He made every throw on every row tree and he threw it he throw it on the line. He dropped it in a bucket. It was like dr seuss. he can throw it in a bucket. He could throw it on a line. He could throw somebody open. He could throw somebody who's wide open. He was dynamite in that game. Alabama makes everybody look terrible. That's one way to look at it. Don't sleep on him. We'll talk about it with tom. Pella sarah who wrote a great piece. Nfl dot com talking about all of the pluses and minuses of all. The five quarterbacks with a first round grade will check in on the players championship leaderboard. Eight four four zero four rich number. Dial anything going on in the national football league. That's coming up next with chris. Brockman he philadelphia eagles. We have to talk. Yes yes as i'm draped. You are eagles paraphernalia. No that's like your you got the green hoodie. Yeah went green hoodie. And then i went said and black. Jaguar just noticed last eagle. This is subtle subtle. I didn't. I didn't want to come here and be blade with this is a subtle. Didn't notice it. It's sort of like a watermark sort of situation. You get up close though. He really is a eagles fan. You've got a lot a lot of eagles stuff. I'm wearing a jersey to the super bowl which jerome brown patch. That's what you're gonna do okay randall. Cunningham jersey. My jersey has jerome brown patch. Look what will they say hart. Bill cunningham is a real jersey. I can't make mega say a real jersey understanding big moment for me. Mr big game what do you think what do you mean would be eighty three to six. I called it. I'll put my prediction. I did a long time ago. Okay i saw that soon. How many touchdowns. Then for nick foles out of thirty two touchdown trying to the my head right. Yeah there's we're we're we just say to say i didn't want to show. My man was good or bad side. Just ballpark need understand about the features right now and i know there's a lot of new england patriots fans as a lot of tom. Brady lovers out there as you should. Okay they're not running over the nfl they. They didn't breeze through these playoffs. They shouldn't have beaten the jaguars they did. They ship them. It's not like they have displayed. This oh my god that just. Nobody's going to be able to deal with the defense has been in the maysan defense throughout the whole season. I really see our defense and our front four getting to brady if we get to brady. It's going to be a problem and we run the ball very well. It's going to be a grinding game. Enfolds is going to. His game was so much confidence at the last game. He's got so much confidence. I don't care what you say. You can't be confident. You not much confidence i have. You can't beat confidence. I don't care what you told me. I'm so confident. I'm so coveted bose has confidence confidence. We are here. This is where we say. We will be in the beginning of the season and we got here as confident. They used to being here as cocky. This this little national line show the show. We're doing again. It's not sent confidence not saint hunger. It's a different level of hunger and he's dog has got to get it. 'cause i know by the way rain grand got the brady in that game eric side confidence and they had the confidence to run the phillies special. Kevin hart not too far off. Hey guys think kevin through welcome back to the rich eisen show. What's up you think. Kevin through a few back before he came on to the set and was balancing off the walls. It was it was late morning. So i mean look us good. Music cited his teams no so the trenches and crashes the set in the game all right. Let's get some nfl news Straight from the vine and the vine is chris brockman news update. That's a hell of a von go forward with a report of the day's news from the world of sports and entertainment. Someone who is not a journalist or news man by any definition of the word whatsoever which chris christie just just cut updates across the national football league chiefs. Go of eric fisher and mitchell schwartz. Both they're starting tackles. That's crazy once again. Ian rappaport said schwartz did not surprise him. Fisher did but then once he thought about it. It's a cold world out there. And that fisher wouldn't be ready. Maybe until october and schwartz might not Might not be about those injuries that they saw what was happened without them and they need replacements for them not that they would expect to have them back so they decided to make the move now. Saints made a couple of moves. Yesterday as we know what emmanuel sanders alexander released janoris jenkins as well to save them. Seven million malcolm jenkins redid his car. James restructured yes. Good news for him and the saints cardinals got released. Robert alford to save seven and a half million. The cowboys restructured a bunch. As we know the vikings cut riley reef to save eleven million dollars as well one of the names free agents wise we thought might be in the market. Brandin cooks restructured with houston. So he's gonna stay. Put okay another. Do you think they text to sean. Hey just want to let you know. L. brandin cooks isn't going anywhere. We'll see as soon so our buddy jim trotter. Nfl network. interview david cohee and said he believes that after that interview. That john watson will be traded firmly believes this because spoke spoken constant hypotheticals about the roster hinting at big changes on the horizon. How mr trotter is earned a conversation with us tomorrow. As if that's what he wants. But jim tried to could come to a head before the draft. What's got you got. It has to you have to get your draft choices back now if you just want to play for and could you imagine you sixty five years old. You get your first shot in. The quarterback doesn't wanna play for you and the owners like refuses to actually like. Hey congratulations. you're now going to be the owner of a quarterback who's pissed at the world in in your in your world. I mean come on. Move on the move on replenish. The picks. Go to work and try to win. You can get you want darnold or two. I mean you literally you make your yes make your pick in a bunch of picks the us you wanna pick second overall and sam darnold you want pick third overall you on your pick back and tool. I mean that's a dream scenario that that's and that's just for starters that's just to start off especially since you could pick both of them against each other and they're in the division with each other right now it's just like oh yeah we'll look darnold. Look at that wilson guy which you're about to talk about right here yeah right. Yes and and they could say that right now but once watson actually on the market it'll be like okay. Let's go to work 'cause carolina's gonna jump in the bears are gonna jump in. Maybe sam would you rather that market. Be the jets or your own. Because that'll be the market for. Sam darnold if watson stays put or you got your guy go forward honestly it's going to be crazy man and the water tower out of chicago. Get yours. beam the. Mary chilton fountain. You want to take you want the attitude from the wieners circle. Put a figure on that. Take that that's priceless. That is priceless. Michael jordan steakhouse. Yeah the whole field. Ninety year old spoon from ed diabetics. Ps and lou malnati's saddle every choice. What else hundred. What else green river on get chicago. What's the beef sandwich place. What else you got over there okay. Speaking of To a rich bride foras head coach talked to the south florida sun. Sentinel about two of them. Here are some quotes you think about his situation last year coming off the hip and throwing them into the fire. He started nine games and made a lot of improvement throughout the season. Obviously some ups and downs. But i'm excited about the year. One to to jump different training camp amal about development of players and helping them develop and helping them get better this time in the off season employers really going to be helpful to him and all the rookies. I'm excited about working with two of this offseason. Look we liked myles. Gaskin a raiders. Fan saw what he could do like moscow But everyone else is pretty much. Which is why. Mike krzyzewski got ninety percent of the target. I mean devante. Parker was good when he was healthy. A bright so get him a weapons. But if the shawn watson comes available hope you like houston seriously joyce barbecue. They had launched. You see a jury that that. Brian floors said they had lunch yesterday. Talked about families and stuff like that too is a good dude. He's great we love him. Now you're to you let coach reach for the check. Right on the underhill's the rospa tab that stephen let other well i mean you got to like john. And then he's like cocteau's reach for the wallet. Make the reach. But if you're if you're all so i got this nicely and you anything else. You don't allow quick miles meyers. Leonard has been fined fifty thousand dollars suspended for a week. The miami okay and updated. It's not okay. But he was disciplined Sergio garcia still in the clubhouse seven onder weeds the players championship lie. Yeah a lot of people are already in that clubhouse all right very good by the way. The naming that found is the buckingham fountain in chicago. You mean yes. I did some research into shambo. One hundred thousand three hundred thirty three one under three here. We go so we get off the air in the late afternoon or gonna be watching the back nine price. Oh baby fantastic. So tom pella. Sarah is about to join us here on the rich eisen show. Tom spoke to a ton of scouts. About all the top prospects at quarterback that we just talked about trent dilfer. Who said hey the way that. It's being looked at after trevor lawrence right now. Do not book is just definitely zack. Wilson so perfect asks tom pella. Sarah and ramona shelburne on the one year anniversary that the nba shut down and the whole world beginning of be turned upside down for us here in america. At least that's coming up in our number three of the rich eisen show on this radio station. We're still right here on our our peacock year man. It's been one year crazy. Seems like five. Remember that we had the i forget her name i apologize. She's not the commissioner two different word for it for the ivy league and We had her on the day after she said. Yeah we're having a tournament and we're done and everyone would like to go. Yeah right yeah. The executive director is a. It's not the commissioner of the ivy league doesn't have a sports commissioner. But i remember we had her on and she was just like. Yeah we looked at it and you know. We're getting a lot of executive director go. That was a crazy day. We had her on and she's just like we looked at it from the science and we looked at it from the fact that if kids aren't on campus were knocked the they are student athletes. Here in the ivy league of kids aren't on campus and we're shutting down on campus. We are not going to have athletics until it is safe until we know what we are dealing with and the ivy league went and then the indies decided to keep going well. India neal's remember. They cancelled their tournament a tennis and tennis tournament. Now and then and then we in the nfl was still doing the newly gear. And i remember a lot of people like what are you doing right. Like people shutting down business shutdown. You're saying like here's a five fifty million dollar deal. But i think it's still. It was a necessary distraction for people to just keep some sort of sense of normalcy and the fact that the nfl kept going. The season was kept on time. This season with your tongue agile. Everything went off as scheduled knots. The schedule comes out as scheduled. The free agency went so everybody knew what needed to be done in the draft which went so everybody knew what when rosters were. Were actually put together what it would look like. They aren't doing free. Agency in june and then the draft in july and then the the season in september and then the positivity rate was zero point zero eight percent good so i remember all that like it was yesterday. I cannot believe it is a year. Me too crazy nuts. You're the president is having a speech tonight like it's going to be quite a solemn rest of the day and ramona shelburne had a As the as they say in the business a deep dive on the subject matter. That's our number three right here on. Nbc sports on peacock. Tom pella cerro ramona. Shelburne and you before we take it brother from another.

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