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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

01:38 min | 3 weeks ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"On the level on the go. Federal drug agents want you to know this stuff could kill you. Mostly cloudy and breezy overnight showers and storms Developing Wednesday. I'm Stan Lear. Here's what's trending this hour. Buying illegal drugs has always been risky, but fentanyl has made it even more dangerous. Here's Chris Davis on wine overdose that happened in February could be a warning counterfeit pills late. Used to with fentanyl and extremely potent drug. Our problem in Indiana, says DEA assistant Special agent in charge Might Gannon. I think it's very important that anybody that has a love one that they suspect maybe utilizing drugs to send in the valuable message that they don't know what they're getting. Lindsay Wiley's family is dealing with her loss. She, ODed and December. Her second overdose in February was fatal. Tuesday, Authorities announced the arrest of John Travis Mat lock of Evansville, who they say sold her the drugs. Chris Davis 93. W I. B C Mobile news. Another 26,700 vaccinations in Indiana Monday and more than 46% of the state's 12 plus population is fully vaccinated. Now I use sociologist Jessica Clark. Oh, says her national survey found about half the rest either. Don't trust any vaccine. Or they have bought into misinformation about this one. And there are other possibilities. Something about access. It's about not having the time not having the transportation in some cases, thinking that the vaccine is going to be costly. Even though it's not, you know, it's it's.

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

01:56 min | 3 weeks ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"Indiana. Here's what's trending at 602 buying illegal drugs has always been risky, but fentanyl has made it even more dangerous. Here's Chris Davis unwind overdose that happened in February could be a warning counterfeit pills laced with fentanyl and extremely potent drug. Our problem in Indiana, says DEA assistant Special agent in charge. Might Gannon. I think it's very important that anybody that has a love one that they suspect maybe utilizing drugs to send in the valuable Message that they don't know what they're getting. Lindsay Wiley's family is dealing with her loss. She ODed and December. Her second overdose in February was fatal. Tuesday, Authorities announced the arrest of John Travis Mat lock of Evansville, who they say sold her the drugs. Chris Davis 93. W I. B. C Mobile knew another 26,700 vaccinations in Indiana Monday and more than 46% of the state's 12 plus population is fully vaccinated now. You sociologist Jessica Clark. Oh, says her nationals survey found about half the rest either Don't trust any vaccine, or they have bought into misinformation about this one. Haven't been. It was arrested in Indy for robberies and sexual assaults in Philadelphia. Now he faces additional charges in Indianapolis. Rob Comet reports. The Marion County prosecutor's office says Bennett did the same thing in India in April. I'm Rob Connie Court documents say he went to an apartment complex on Pennsylvania Street hit a woman in back of the head. Dragged her down the stairs into a restroom to rape her. The victim told police her vision got blurry, but thinks she saw a box of condoms. Investigators found a condom wrapper in the bathroom. DNI technology showed the fingerprints on that wrapper came back as Kevin Bennett. He faces additional charges of rape, kidnapping, criminal confinement and battery. Rob content 93. W I B C Mobile news your one minute away from traffic and whether it's six or four summer.

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

07:37 min | 7 months ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"Agencies and governors around the country may even the biden administration to the extent that it wants to do some early moves on this To stop the spread of kobe. So i'll start with restrictions on houses worship in gatherings for religious purposes. I fully expect state and local jurisdictions even as they tighten restrictions on other settings and our private gatherings for other purposes to take a very hands off approach to religion going forward after this decision. I think you're getting tied up in port. Bottles is not something state and local officials are particularly eager to do the got plenty of that on their hands as it is and if roberts's approach in south bay doesn't work to impose some level of restrictions that are more stringent than if. Nothing else on hospitals than it's hard to figure out. What does you know. I think it's possible that you could move forward with restrictions that are no more stringent than for grocery stores And it may be. The court would ultimately come up with some kind of principle for drawing a line about priority but the majority's approached suggests that even if restrictions are no more stringent than they are for settings posts similar risks. You know that doesn't seem to work under under the majority's analysis because they deemed retail stores to be similar in terms of risk. Even the evidence suggests otherwise beyond first amendment. I think a big question here and this was really i think. At the heart of the bitter exchange between robertson gorsuch is the role of jacobsen jacobsen has been interpreted in a really odd way for someone who me has studied public health. Line jacob sentence very much at the heart of that for a long time. It's it's been somewhat bizarre to see the fifth circuit's interpretation of jacobson Abbott back in may just absolutely catch on like wildfire and i refer to that as the jacobson suspension doctrine which i see as distinct from understanding jacobson to have any any kind lesson That that remains valid today and let me jump in just just for a second for those of our readers or listeners. Rather who may not have heard of jacobson if you could just give a little bit of background it's old nineteen o five case about compulsory vaccination and it's oft-cited but rarely read so if you could try a little bit more background jacobson sheriff said jacobson is certainly having its moment this year. the way we taught jacobson before twenty twenty was articulated in very strong terms that the common good public health public safety could outweigh individual rights. at any given circumstance but particularly in a public health crisis. I didn't teach jacobson as any kind of emergency standard of review. I'm not aware of anyone who had interpreted that way before. Twenty twenty win the fifth circuit in a case challenging restrictions on abortion as elective procedures that were restricted in any states at the time the fifth circuit interpreted jacobson to somehow pre commit the courts to reverting to this nine hundred zero five standard of review regardless of what the individual right or fundamental right at issue may be that the courts the courts to revert to a arbitrary and capricious standard of review. They interpreted that in a way that almost made it less than rational basis a lower standard than rational basis. in fact. You know that there's lots of reason to think that standard of review in one thousand nine hundred zero five was a little stronger than what we think of as rational basis now so they identified this standard of review jacobson that was extr- extremely low bar. A many many many lower courts. Pick that up and ran with it and essentially used it to avoid even articulating. What the fundamental right in dispute might be a case a challenge to all sorts of measures extending well beyond the first amendment context. I understand the majority to have rejected jacobson as a suspension standard of review at least for first amendment claims and you can also see this in descents in the previous cases cover christian south bay for specific justices. You can kind of count. The votes several justices though have indicated that they might draw a line between the first amendment and fourteenth amendment in this regard and so gorsuch actually kinda sets himself is allowing allowing room for himself to adopt adopted jacobson suspension standard perhaps with regard to abortion restrictions. Should those reach the court again on emergency restrictions on abortion because of cova that fourteenth amendment distinction matters because a lot of the challenges to you know the basic travel restrictions and stay at home. Orders are not on first amendment grounds but on on fourteenth amendment substitute to process grounds. I think there's at least some room for the court to continue the viability of this suspension. Doctor anything that would be unfortunate though. I don't think that there's a strong basis for that. Suspension doctrine in the jacobsen opinion itself in his steve. Vladeck i have written. It's problematic for other reasons as well. Fortunately most restrictions have at some point upheld held by some number of federal court judges without resorting to the jacobson suspension doctrine and so mask requirements State homeowners travel restrictions closure of non essential businesses. All of these provisions. A went through carefully after over the thanksgiving holiday weekend Own these provisions had been upheld by at some point by at least some ports without relying on jacobson suspension standard. I expect courts will continue that trend. Avoid relying on jacobson standard going forward. Now there's a bigger question about what it means for compulsory vaccination as well. We can speak to that more specifically gorsuch inches. Interestingly i think tried to set himself up as a potential swing vote on compulsory vaccination on the question of whether there would be to be a religious exemption that would be constitutionally required which the courts have generally found is not the case up to this point outside. Maybe we can discuss that. I think. I think i agree. Post with everything Lindsay said and. I don't agree. Steve vladeck often. But i agree with steve here as well. The courts have completely botched jacobson. And i don't want to say this too lightly. But i think you you tonight and judge has been lazy. I don't like saying it. But i will. I think judges had omega pandemic. i don't wanna get involve any some authority. Oh could jacobson. That does it right. And oh good. John robertson jacobson. I think it was really a failing of judging. If you actually read the opinion jesse read the opinion become clear. It has no salience to cova cases other than the fact that we're doing with the pandemic or maybe an epidemic Correct the rights and never another at standard right but at the spread of disease. It was unfortunate. The judge has made these errors. I didn't get really allowed governors to get away with stuff and this is not just a right left. Issue in my home state of texas The government decided that abortion was not an essential service in this litigation went up and down for a few points. And i i've criticized the fifth circuit's decision. The decision may be correct into the kc homes health standard. But it's absolutely not relevant. That jacobson has endured. Jacobson says nothing about these issues and he both liberal and conservative judges reach for a president from nineteen o five by john marshall harlan..

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

08:49 min | 7 months ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"This is an issue of Which your listeners are familiar with the issue with a nationwide injunction here this. There's no statewide injunctions. Didn't apply the entire state it was to the named plaintiffs Trust me i know this. Are you know. Other cases that sued Bring additional claims. So this is a very narrow injunction. No this is a big loss for cuomo but this can be evaded very quickly. He can just modify the policy altogether and start something new and have to wait to be sued. It's this game of whack a mole. That never ends so then. Presumably the long term importance of this case is then about what the court is saying or at least signaling about its use on the first amendment and and how they will apply to future restrictions. So let's let's turn to that next and then let me ask you lindsay. Why is it that the majority of the court thought that there was a high likelihood that the new york order violated the first amendment. And then why did at least some of the centers disagree with that. I think the basic issue of course is whether these discriminate on the basis of religion or satisfy alternatively satisfied the minimum requirement of neutrality to religion To understand what changed in this case at least with respect to what is on the table and potentially off the table for executive orders going forward. I think it's important to go back to the courts earlier pronouncements on religious restrictions of religious worship services during the pandemic judge chief justice roberts Had kind of set forth the framework for assessing whether restrictions were discriminatory in south bay. That the majority here. And that roberts approach was to compare restrictions on houses of worship to restrictions on secular settings that he deemed similar In terms of the risks that were presented so south bay was a similar a similar case but are arising out of california's restriction on worship services. Roberts said that that was not discriminatory so long as similar secular settings and he used theaters concerts as examples were subject to restrictions. That were the same or less strict for churches than for those similar settings he Roberts in south bay expressly rejected kavanagh's assessment that non essential businesses or essential businesses. Sort of in and out retail shopping was the right competitor. Here so roberts said that retail stores really do not present similar risks Because people are gathered there only for snapshot moment in time. They're moving in and out. They're not spending significant amounts of time a sustain time to gather The way that they are in church services synagogue services or in theaters or concerts. Cavenaugh in south bay had said Had adopted the same line that some lower court judges had the most famous and clever summary. That was if beer is essential so as easter from the kentucky cases early in the pandemic seeking to reopen church services Before easter at a time when liquor stores had been deemed essential said that was kind of a favorite characterization of of the seemingly arbitrary nature of these roles so in roman catholic diocese the majority expressly rejects roberts's framing of the right competitors being higher risk secular settings instead they appear to adopt kavanagh's earlier description of retail stores. As the rate compares. They also mentioned schools. Which i think are more appropriate. Comparison in in terms of the time spent indoors together. I think the other key way of understanding what's happening. This jordi opinion is that these orders draw two different types of distinctions. The orders that we've seen in new york and elsewhere there's a distinction between essential businesses in non essential businesses. That really comes into play when most things are closed and an exception as me for for some services based on their priority not based on the fact they're low but based on the idea that they are essential or life. Sustaining the other distinction. That comes into play is at a time when most things are open and some things are closed based on being higher risk. So that's not based on priorities based unrest. The tricky thing here is that the court was grappling with both scenarios simultaneously. So that orange zone restrictions are a situation where most things are open unless they are high risk. The red zone restrictions are a situation where most things are closed unless they are high priority. I understand the majority's opinion here to be saying that if anything is open based on priority based on its designation as essential the restrictions on churches can be no stricter than on those essential services They frame that in terms of the risks in terms of the idea that a grocery store for example poses the same risk or or a factory or school poses the same risk as churches. But i think in terms of the implications for public health going forward it seems to create something similar to kind of most favored nation status requirement for religious purposes that they must be deemed essential So as essential Settings are open than than religious services must be allowed to proceed with the same level of restrictions that are in place for those essential retail stores for example. The thing that i have been struggling with an reading this opinion and reading the other cases about covid restrictions and religious institutions as. I can't figure out how it goes about identifying the right competitor at least not in kind of a non arbitrary way so presumably if the government shutdown everything if we went into the the the sort of incredibly broad lockdown that we had at the beginning of the pandemic. We wouldn't be having these these debates right. The government can shut everything down including if necessary houses of worship in order to to at least on a temporary basis to stop covid and then on the other hand if the government leaves everything open and only shutdown houses of worship then obviously the comparative clears comparing it to everything else. And what would seems to me. Reading this opinion is that the the majority in the center are talking past each other at least somewhat in part because they're picking different relevant competitors right so the majority wants to compare the treatment of religious institutions to grocery stores and the descent wants to compare the treatment of religious institutions to lecture halls and concert halls and so forth and so that choice of competitor. Either of which strike me as plausible depending on what you are trying to emphasize seem to drive the conclusion on the merits. So my question for for you lindsay and also for you josh. Y- is there some non arbitrary way of determining what the proper competitor is there is but it's a nuanced thing and it's it's tricky to communicate. Actually i think one of the problems throughout the last several months is that elected officials governors mayors have not always been best equipped to communicate the nuance here we need to hear from health officials who really understand epidemiological data and sometimes it's been misrepresented innocently perhaps by elected officials who don't fully understand it the epidemiological evidence. This really comes from investigations more than just contact tracing more than just asking people where they've been really tracing where can we pinpoint That transmission is happening. Those epidemiological investigations pointed to a few key factors in terms of increasing the risk. And we're talking about risk not just at the individual level not at the level of what one person might do that increases their chances of contracting the infection but at the population level. What is the risk that allowing any given event or interaction happen will drive increasing community transmission in spread at the population level. Those factors include being endorsed. Which is much less safe than being outdoors. They include people from multiple households gathering indoors so even personal services like a haircut might not pose the risk of community spread if they're only if it's only the client and the stylist so multiple households indoors and then.

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

08:59 min | 7 months ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"Dining closes when you move from orange to red and schools remained remote. Only one keach means that came after the october sixth order At the end of october governor cuomo announced a plan that would permit but not require school districts to reopen if they satisfied Some pretty stringent testing requirements really requiring weekly testing of teachers and staff and that may have been an important point in terms of the comparison between schools in worship services given that the risks are somewhat similar. They are that came later in october. So let me turn to us as lindsay points out. This is incredibly detailed and comprehensive scheme. And so you could comment on on that. And perhaps why new york decided to to regulate such i level of granularity and what the specific implications of that was for the houses of worship in these orange and red zones. Sure and thank you for having the podcast at the outset. I should disclose it. I'm actually not just a professor of also an attorney in this case I represented a jewish school in queens. Bayrak of terraced miriam That was subsidies restrictions. In cases ongoing. The governor's orders came out of the blue earlier. The new york city mayor The zeo had imposed this zip code. Wide prohibition on certain meeting places and then in this sort of tiff between the mayor and the governor. The government one up him and said well. We're gonna do better than zip codes. We'll do these micro clusters Were these were block by block basis where he could be maybe on one side of the street and being zone read on orange and if you cross the street you're based in zone yellow zone. Nothing at all. I think a lot of these drawings were close to arbitrary. We don't know why they truth them the way they did. There were some neighbors with no orange wednesday from from red to yellow others no buffer zone and his premise idea. That people don't cross the street rap that if you know if you have a person going to storm one side of the street. He will not dare cross the street. The other side. You know i i. Respect the governor's interest in clamping down but the the these were always plagued from beginning logistical standpoint. But for our purposes here the orders Impose specific restrictions on both houses of worship and schools which lindsay mentioned a few moments ago. Almost immediately after the order was announced the brooklyn diocese challenged it a good israel which is organization of synagogues challenged the order. And i'm only turns. Hooper lawson loss of a jewish. School won the frustrations of this litigation. Is what i call the game of whack a mole. Where at the last minute. The governor changed the policies. Avoid adverse court judgement so for example. We had filed a motion for a temporary restraining order. The night before komo's response was due. He magically decided to lift restrictions on our school right. Our our neighborhood went from from orange yellow overnight and there wasn't really a drop in the in the in the positive rate which again makes me very skeptical. The entire process. A similar thing happened with the Ago israel case from the diocese case on the eve of when komo's brief to the supreme court magically all the orange eliminated as only yellow Subject to this case. So i think their their efforts trying to move the litigation which makes a toughening that explains why the court fragment is five to four at six to three which we can get into. But it's a very hard thing to challenge when these rules changed so frequently. Will that any real rational. Why they're changing but at any point the Restrictions snap back into place. So let's let's turn to that issue and talk about the opinion itself so the opinion is basically divided two parts. The first is this interesting procedural discussion about whether or not it is appropriate given the posture of the case for the supreme court to issue an injunction at the time that it did and then the second half and and the one that i suspect is going to be particularly important going forward is about the actual merits of the first amendment claims at issue josh. Since you've written a lot about this Can you walk us through. And you've done so a little bit already but just walk us through. What the kind of procedural issue here and this debate between the majority and in particular The chief justice who descends on the appropriateness of injunctive relief right so there are two there their two issues. I think about one whether it would have been appropriate for the district. Court issued injunction and second weather at this point in time it was appropriate supreme court issue an injunction i think given how five or six dresses thought about the merits. The district court probably erred in. Knock granted injunction. But that wasn't the question here the questions at this juncture now that the orange jones have been basically eliminated a release a temporarily eliminated. Should the court proceed Majority basically said let's go forward. And this is the position that i developed a few block posts in the law. There's something called Moutainous okay what muteness. If a controversy is no longer live the court decided but there are some exceptions to moutainous doctrine. I'm one of the most famous ones is called. It's a mouthful capable of repetition yet evading review capable repetition evading review the easiest example. This is An abortion case. A pregnancy lasts no more than nine months to gate an abortion. will take more than nine months so by the time assay roe v wade gets supreme court. The pregnancy is no longer active rifled. Whatever reason i it's not more than months have passed so the courts have said if there's some controversy that evade review but it can repeat over and over again will keep the case There's another doctrine called voluntary cessation. Voluntary cessation means if the government voluntarily declines to the voluntarily stop enforcing some bad policy. But there's a chance they might reenact it later. The courts also keep the case the court has used to doctrines and i think the supreme court at both these didn't really say which one but he kinda hinted both of these doctrines said. Look we know that at this present moment. New york doesn't have any orange zone synagogues orange zone churches that are that are plaintiffs but this can change quickly and indeed governor cuomo has said all of york city may snap snap to orange any minute now so it makes no sense to avoid these questions because at any minute the controversy come live again and i suspect that the court was worried that the second they rule cuomo just snack back to orange and just just just under the entire case. The dissenters vigorously disagreed. So the chief justice rejected the the entire notion of entering an injunction. Here of the chief. Justice said why are we jumping ahead of this when there's no one subject to it in other words we're not telling the government to anything. He's not doing all we're doing here is simply a issuing a meaningless injunction justice. Breyer in dissent may- similar point. Briars said well if cuomo in axes orders let them come back to the court. The majority said well. That's very reassuring but it takes some time days. Perhaps weeks he has review. The court doesn't intervene a matter of minutes. And then they're going to be a sunday masses and then and sadder chabad services and different things that just will not happen in the interim This case has gone on for months. And if i can just appointed personal privilege litigating. This case has been very frustrating. And i recognize her. There are a lot of equities on all sides. But it's been a consistent pattern at every level of covid litigation that when a case gets to the high court their efforts to move it it happens over and over again. These governors are not stupid. Komo's and attorney general. Who's a smart dude right. He knows what he's doing right his his his his gels a very smart person. She knows what she's doing. Alleging maliciousness i'm simply saying that the the mutinous doctrine has exceptions any. Because it's a very good place uses exceptions and live this litigation in terms of the sort of injunctive relief though that the court has granted what is to stop Now that an injunction has been granted against this particular policy. What is to stop governor cuomo from tweaking it slightly right. Instead of going from orange to red he goes to green and blue and changes the occupancy amounts. I mean it. doesn't this. Still allow him some some wiggle room or or is the junction sort of broader than simply the issue or the the restriction that he originally imposed and then lifted at the very end. Oh this is a very narrow injunction. All the court said is pending. This current appeal the ten person cap in the twenty person. Cap campion force. That's all it says indeed. It isn't clear that this injunction extends beyond the name plaintiffs..

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

01:53 min | 7 months ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"To covid. I'm joined by law professors lindsay wiley of american university and josh blackman of the south texas college of law. It's the law fair. Podcast december fourth written z. Wiley and josh blackman. On the supreme court's recent decision roman catholic diocese of brooklyn versus andrew. M cuomo governor of new york lindsay. Let me start with you. What were the new york restrictions at issue in this case so it takes a little time to again and figure out exactly what restrictions were in place that we're being challenged here because the restrictions have varied quite a bit from place to place in time to time throughout the last several months but the basic framework that the supreme court was addressing was set forth by governor cuomo in an october sixth of order. This is where whom o. Launched what he called a micro cluster strategy really micro level targeting At zip code level which which is quite small in new york city of restrictions the version of the restrictions in effect at this point. Were based on test. Positivity rates and rolling seven day averages of cases reported cases per one hundred thousand population and they divided a geographic areas in into red orange and yellow zones based on those indicators the key restrictions that were being challenged were in the orange and red zones in the form shown the basic restrictions were that worship services or houses of worship were capped at thirty three percent of capacity or twenty five people whichever was lower and at the same time. Because you know. The the key issue in this case is comparing those restrictions to other restrictions on secular settings other gatherings were capped at a lower level at ten people maximum indoor or outdoor businesses in the.

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

05:18 min | 7 months ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KQED Radio

"Spike connected to the holiday based on past holidays like Memorial Day and Labor Day, and this current wave is already devastating without the added boost from the holiday on average, nearly 1500 people in the US are dying of covert 19 every day. And it's hard to fathom how it could get worse, but that's the direction things are headed. And of course, there was a public backlash in many places against warnings that were made just before the holiday and backlash against additional restrictions. Tell us more about what health officials are saying. Right. The messaging from officials really hammered home the dangers of small household gatherings. And we know that gathering endorses risky. It stands to reason that if eating with friends at your house is too risky to be allowed into our dining at restaurants shouldn't be allowed either. But Lindsay Wiley, a health law professor at American University, says consistency has been missing. In some orders being put out by officials. Rhode Island specifically says that you cannot have any gathering of any size even outdoors. Unless you have a caterer. If you hire professional cater, you can have up to 25 indoors or 75 outdoors. The difference, of course, is that one is restricting businesses that are struggling in the pandemic, and the other is not. But that kind of logical inconsistency can really erode public trust. Because then these rules seem arbitrary. Some governors widely mentioned her governor in Maryland, Larry Hogan, have been forthright that the reason for not targeting businesses is that there's no money to help them out because of the congressional stalemate over covert relief, and that's a real problem. The Supreme Court. Uh, major decision this week tossed out New York state's restrictions on religious Catherine's right. The Supreme Court waited into this issue this week. In a big way, Things has been a hot issue because of religious freedom protections on the one hand and evidence that religious gatherings have contributed to outbreaks. So this case had to do with attendance restrictions for religious gatherings and hot spots. In New York, the Supreme Court ruled against New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Wiley says This decision goes against lots of lower court decisions and is going to change how state and local governments craft their restriction orders. Some justices of the Supreme Court explicitly have said that states cannot impose tighter restrictions on churches and synagogues than they do. On grocery stores. So wily predicts the public health messaging about small gatherings is going to continue after Thanksgiving because then they're going to be the same issues with Hanukkah and Christmas going forward. NPR health reporter Selena Simmons Duffin Thanks so much. Thank you. William Butler. Yates wrote the second coming just over 100. Years ago, The world seemed on the verge, perhaps like now, perhaps like many years. Losses of World War one. We're still overwhelming when millions more began to die in the waves of a flu pandemic, which infected his wife, Georgie Hyde Lees while she was pregnant. He and their child would survive. He ate. His poem was published in November. 1920 over the centuries since, perhaps no poem has been more invoked for vexing times to convey And he ate his own incomparable words that Things full of hurt. The center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. The blood dimmed tide is loosed. And everywhere. The ceremony of innocents is drowned. The best lack all conviction while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Which scarcely call the second coming the holiday poem, but it makes you feel that a page of history is about to flip. When epoch is about to give birth to another. What kind of times will be wrought from a world where the worst are full of passionate intensity? Yates asks. And what rough beast its hour come at last slouches towards Bethlehem to be born. Over the past century. Joan Didion Jin, You watch a bay Lou read Stephen King and scores of other writers and artists have taken phrases from Yates's poem, his lines and titles in their own works. It is Roy Peter Clarke, senior scholar at the Poynter Institute notes in an elegant recent post. History must also note that William Butler Yates became enamored of nationalist authoritarians movements, including fascism. He said, admiring things about Mussolini in eugenics. He wrote a few anthems for the blue shirts and Irish fascist group. When we read, recite or fire our minds with Yates his poem do we somehow Condoned the devastating ideas which he came to favor? What works. Do we choose to keep her discard as we reconsider our history and art? And patch it. The novelist and memoir is told us this week that If we applied, today's morals to dead artists and history would be fairly scrubbed of art. The question to ask, she said, is, does this poem still speak to people? He hates passes the test. Continually means something new, because that's what great art does. It has reinvented, re energized. The person who reads it..

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

04:15 min | 7 months ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KQED Radio

"Connected to the holiday based on past holidays like Memorial Day and Labor Day, and this current wave is already devastating without the added boost from the holiday on average, nearly 1500 people in the US are dying of covert 19 every day. And it's hard to fathom how it could get worse, but that's the direction things are headed. And of course, there was a public backlash in many places against warnings that were made just before the holiday and backlash against additional restrictions. Tell us more about what health officials are saying. Right. The messaging from officials really hammered home the dangers of small household gatherings on we know that gathering endorses risky. It stands to reason that if eating with friends at your house is too risky to be allowed into our dining at restaurants shouldn't be allowed either. But Lindsay Wiley, a health law professor at American University, says consistency has been missing. In some orders being put out by officials. Rhode Island specifically says that you cannot have any gathering of any size even outdoors. Unless you have a caterer. If you hire professional cater, you can have up to 25 indoors or 75 outdoors. The difference, of course, is that one is restricting businesses that are struggling in the pandemic, and the other is not. But that kind of logical inconsistency can really erode public trust. Because then these rules seem arbitrary. Some governors widely mentioned her governor in Maryland, Larry Hogan, have been forthright that the reason for not targeting businesses is that there's no money to help them out because of the congressional stalemate over covert relief, and that's a real problem. The Supreme Court. Uh, major decision this week tossed out New York state's restrictions on religious gatherings right. The Supreme Court waited into this issue this week. In a big way, Things has been a hot issue because of religious freedom protections on the one hand and evidence that religious gatherings have contributed to outbreaks. So this case had to do with attendance restrictions for religious gatherings and hot spots. In New York, the Supreme Court ruled against New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Wiley says This decision goes against lots of lower court decisions and is going to change how state and local governments craft their restriction orders. Some justices of the Supreme Court explicitly have said that states cannot impose tighter restrictions on churches and synagogues than they do. On grocery stores. So wily predicts the public health messaging about small gatherings is going to continue after Thanksgiving because then they're going to be the same issues with Hanukkah and Christmas going forward. NPR health reporter Selena Simmons Duffin Thanks so much. Thank you. William Butler. Yates wrote the second coming just over 100. Years ago, The world seemed on the verge, perhaps like now, perhaps like many years. The losses of World War one. We're still overwhelming when millions more began to die in the waves of a flu pandemic, which infected his wife, Georgie Hyde Lees while she was pregnant. Here in their child would survive. The ages. Poem was published in November. 1920 over the centuries since, perhaps no poem has been more invoked for vexing times to convey And he ate his own incomparable words that Things fall apart, the center cannot hold mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. The blood dimmed tide is loosed. And everywhere. The ceremony of innocents is drowned the best, like all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Which scarcely call the second coming the holiday poem, but it makes you feel that a page of history is about to flip. When epic is about to give birth to another. What kind of times will be wrought from a world where the worst are full of passionate intensity? Yates asks. And what rough beast its hour coming for last slouches towards Bethlehem to be born. Over the past century. Joan Didion Jin, You watch a bay Lou read Stephen King and scores of other writers and artists have taken phrases from Yates's poem, his lines and titles in their own works..

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CDC Issues Sweeping Temporary Halt On Evictions Nationwide Amid Pandemic

Morning Edition

03:09 min | 10 months ago

CDC Issues Sweeping Temporary Halt On Evictions Nationwide Amid Pandemic

"Ready to distribute a potential Corona virus vaccine as soon as late October. The CDC has also issued an order to temporarily stop home evictions nationwide, which yes, sounds like it's not necessarily the agency's mandate. But the CDC is using authority from the Public Health Service Act of 1944 and making the case that evictions could increase the spread of covert 19. NPR's Selina Simmons. Duffin wondered if this was legal. A bold move. That's how health law professor Aaron Fu say. Brown of Georgia State University described this order from CDC and the way it uses the agency's legal authority. The regulations under the Public Health Service Act, provide the CDC the power to take certain action to control communicable disease, particularly across the state lines. The way the law was written, she says, enlists different examples such as inspection, fumigation, disinfection sanitation. Pest extermination, so the destruction of animals did you hear housing or evictions? They're not in there with the eviction order, she says. CDC is basically arguing. If you could take steps to prevent animals or other types of, you know, please from spreading infectious disease, then could you also take some steps to prevent people from being forced to crowd Since crowding? Help Spread Cove? It The order applies to people earning less than $100,000 a year if they say they would become homeless or move in with friends or family if evicted, and it wouldn't provide any financial relief to renters or landlords. That concerns Tia Cherie Gaynor, a political science professor at the University of Cincinnati. Someone can't afford to pay their rant. They're not going to be able to pay four months of rent at wants when this ends right when the moratorium is over. Congress would need to pass a law to provide that financial assistance. Whether this is legal or not, is up in the air. Legal aid groups across the country issued statements in response to the order, saying in large part, it's unclear what this means. We're still trying to figure it out. Many hailed the effort to halt evictions. But legal challenges are likely and may include lawsuits that argue CDC does not have the authority to do this. Those legal challenges, says health law professor Lindsay Wiley of American University could have implications that stretch far beyond housing and evictions. Ah, lot rides on whether judges decide this order is legal. Those decisions. Either way, whether they uphold it or strike it down are gonna have really big implications for the federal role in the pit, then take response going forward. For example, she says, if you get a decision, upholding this order that could embolden a future Biden administration issue a national mask mandate. On the other hand, if a judge strikes this down That could tie the hands of the federal government to take nationwide action to try to curb the spread of the virus. Whoever is in the White House, the order is set to go into effect tomorrow. Selina Simmons Duffin. NPR news Later today on all things considered, we've gotten usedto Wildfire season

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

03:57 min | 1 year ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KCRW

"15 on top of me and our what year was acting and I saw George Floyd's face in front of me. And all the ancestors and died having thinking that Bloomington. Police are still looking for the driver and the vehicle involved in last night's hit and run, and the county prosecutor's office hasn't given a timeline on whether it will bring charges against those assaulting Booker on July 4th. For NPR News. I'm Mitch Llegan in Bloomington, Indiana. Today, the Trump Administration formally notified the United Nations that it is pulling out of the World Health Organization for more on this move, NPR's global health correspondent Jason Beaubien joins us now. Hey, Jason. They also say so President Trump. I mean, he's been talking about withdrawing from the W H O for quite some time now. So what is new about this announcement? Yeah, So with this in history, you know sometimes when the president or others make statements, it's not entirely clear what's going to happen if it's negotiating tactic or what? But more than a month ago, the president did say he was pulling out of the W. H O. But then U. S agencies including like the CDC, they were continuing to work with the W H O is if nothing had happened, so it was sort of unclear what was going on with this relationship. And then today, the State Department took this formal step of notifying the U. N that this is happening, and they also notified Congress. Okay, making it crystal clear but remind us why does the president want to pull out of the World Health organization? So you know, he's accused them of bungling the response to the Corona virus pandemic, and that's what this is about. He's accused of conspiring with China to downplay how infectious the viruses He said that the W ay show allowed this to spread around the world. You know, these are all accusations that the W. H O denies. I talked to Lindsay Wiley. She runs the Health Law and policy program at American University. And she questions whether President Trump has the authority to do this without Congress. And, she says, This is a distraction from the current U. S response. It's fairly clear that this is an effort to deflect attention away from the Trump Administration's failures in pandemic response within the U. S. And to try to suggest that the blame lies with the W H O R with the Chinese government or with anyone other than the administration. The U. S. You know by now everyone knows us has the most cases in the world, other countries in Europe and Asia. They're getting their transmission down to quite low levels, while the US numbers are reaching all time highs. I mean, the U. S. Has been a member of the W H O. Since Like what, 1948. It's the largest donor to the organization. So what is going to be the real world impact of the U. S pulling out now? You know, it would really be huge for us, as you mentioned is the largest donor and if they leave, the second largest donor right now would be the building. Melinda Go. Gatesfoundation again. Professor Wiley American University, says that if us does abandon the ratio, it could undermine the agency as it's trying to coordinate the action against this pandemic right now. I mean, it would be a massive blow to the World Health Organization, and there's also talk ah, that Brazil is threatening to withdraw as well. And if those two countries together took this step, ah, it would certainly undermine the World Health organization's ability to respond to the global pandemic. Okay, so the U. S has made it crystal clear its intent to withdraw. But do you think this is really going to happen? So what is clear is that the administration isn't letting go of this issue. They're going to continue to lash out at the continued to blame the W. H O and continued to put this out there as an issue that they're pulling out of this organization. They, however, have said that they're going to pull out a year from now, so that would be after the election. Joe Biden has said that if he is elected, he would rejoin the organization as soon as he gets into office. So whether or not this is really going to happen is probably going to be determined by what happens. Ah. At the polling places in November. That is NPR's Jason Beaubien. Thank you, Jason. You're walking.

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

04:14 min | 1 year ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"I want to have me and our year was and I saw Julie Floyd's face in front of me. All the ancestors and dad having Bloomington Police are still looking for the driver and the vehicle involved in last night's hit and run, and the county prosecutor's office hasn't given a timeline on whether it will bring charges against those assaulting Booker on July 4th. For NPR News. I'm Mitch Llegan and Bloomington, Indiana. Today, the Trump Administration formally notified the United Nations that it is pulling out of the World Health Organization for more on this move, NPR's global health correspondent Jason Beaubien joins us now. Hey, Jason. They also say so President Trump. I mean, he's been talking about withdrawing from the W H O for quite some time now. So what is new about this announcement? Yeah, So what This administration is sometimes when the president or others make statements, it's not entirely clear what's going to happen if it's negotiating tactic or what, But more than a month ago, the president did say he was pulling out of the way show but then U. S agencies including, like the CDC, they were continuing to work with the W. H O was, if nothing had happened, so it was sort of unclear what was going on with this relationship. And then today, the State Department took this formal step of notifying the U. N that this is happening. They also notified Congress. Okay, making it crystal clear but remind us why does the president want to pull out of the World Health organization? So you know, he's accused them of bungling the response to the Corona virus pandemic, and that's what this is about. He's accused of conspiring with China to downplay how infectious the viruses hey said that the W H O allowed this to spread around the world. You know, these are all accusations that the W H O denies. I talked to Lindsay Wiley. She runs the health Law and policy program at American University. And she questions whether President Trump has the authority to do this without Congress. And, she says, This is a distraction from the current U. S response. It's fairly clear that this is an effort to deflect attention away from the Trump administration's failures in Panda back response within the U. S. And to try to suggest that the blame lies with the W H O R with the Chinese government or with anyone other than the administration. The U. S. You know by now everyone knows us has the most cases in the world, other countries in Europe and Asia. They're getting their translucent down to quite low levels, while the US numbers are reaching all time highs. I mean, the U. S. Has been a member of the W H O. Since Like what, 1948. It's the largest donor to the organization. So what is going to be the real world impact of the U. S pulling out now? You know, it would really be huge for us, as you mentioned is the largest donor and if they leave, the second largest donor right now would be the building. Melinda Go Gatesfoundation again. Professor Wiley American University, says that if us does abandoned ratio, it could undermine the agency as it's trying to coordinate the actually against this pandemic right now. I mean, it would be a massive blow to the World Health Organization. And there's also talk ah, that Brazil is threatening to withdraw as well. And if those two countries together took this step, Ah, it would certainly undermined the World Health Organization's ability to respond to the global pandemic. Okay, so the U. S has made it crystal clear its intent to withdraw. But, Jason, do you think this is really going to happen? You know, it is clear by this move that the administration Isn't letting go of this issue. They're going to continue to lash out. Oh, you know, at a time when the world is attempting to get a vaccine the vaccine is going to be is a global effort at the moment, it's going to be a global issue when they try to distribute that vaccine. I have to say that Joe Biden has said that he would overturn this assumes he gets in. If that happens, so I think the election we'll have a lot to do with whether or not this really happens. That is NPR's Jason Beaubien. Thank you, Jason. You're welcome. You're listening to all.

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KOMO

KOMO

03:26 min | 1 year ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KOMO

"I think that's a piece of it. I think the messaging has been inconsistent and confusing. And there's just intuitive sense in which it feels like wearing a mask is to protect yourself. Wait. Call it personal protective equipment for that reason, And we think a lot about health workers wearing masks to protect themselves. But even health workers are wearing masks in part to protect their patients. I think the other big issue here is that not unlike See Belle's master, viewed by some as not being manly, a cz exhibiting a sort of Fear. You know, it brings to mind the controversy over President Obama being pictured wearing a bicycle helmet, and I think the same week that Putin was pictured. You know, they're tested on a stallion or somewhere off on DH. Finally, there are also similarities to condom use. There's a lot of Ways in which these health related behaviors he's doing something to protect yourself and others. Maybe Sena's conveying. I think I might be diseased, or I think you might be diseased. So there's a lot of work in the eighties in particular and nineties around Retooling the meaning social meaning of bringing out a condom, too mean? Everybody does this. It's what we do to protect each other. It doesn't mean that I think anything about myself or anything about you staying with mask use. I think when people see others wearing masks, it's ah, unpleasant reminder. Of the risks that the virus poses. But in cities and states mandate mask wearing does that pass legal muster? It almost certainly does. There are some legal issues that could be tricky and particular instances But also there are some situations where it might be the wrong part of government that's trying to mandate the mask. For example, in Montgomery, Alabama, the City Council held a vote and did not pass a massively invest and it and then immediately afterwards, the mayor issued it as an executive order. That seems to be like a recipe for getting your mask mandate challenged and potentially struck out. But if they're right Part of government adopts the rule, and they follow the right process for doing that. I expect the mass mandates to survive constitutional challenges based on individual rights because the courts will be very deferential. To save local governments in terms of acting on the best available scientific evidence. Would it be better if the federal government mandated it for all Americans? I think that would be absolutely challenged in court. The federal government has really limited authority over public health and disease control in this country. It's really the states that hold the reins and then they could delegate that authority to local governments. If, for example, the CDC tried to issue nationwide mask order, it would be challenged in court, and I think it would most likely be struck down because Congress hasn't given the CDC or the president authority and clear enough terms. Lindsay Wiley from American University. Our chief medical correspondent, Dr Jennifer Ashton's here next I'm Aaron Carter Ski and you're listening to it. ABC News special Little did I know when I joined Kaiser Permanente that it would be on my top 10 list for what has made this year. A great I can see my position. I could be referred to the lab. I can be referred to the pharmacy on the same building. You've got it all..

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

07:10 min | 1 year ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KCRW

"You are seeing the positivity rate grow. Some of what you're saying, though, is the fact that This is mass testing regardless of symptoms. Miami has now closed its beaches for the fourth of July weekend. Meanwhile, in Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott says his state, which was in its third phase of reopening is also seeing a surge of cases. If I could go back and redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down the opening of bars. Now saying in the aftermath of how quickly spread in the bar setting, and many Americans are refusing toe wear facemasks saying requirements to do so violates their constitutional rights. After miss information spreads online Here is one person in Fort Pierce, Florida will be in luck to our freedoms are being taken for other And I will not be muzzled like a mad dog. As cases here spiral and measures were left up to state and local officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the Federal Corona Virus Taskforce was left pleading for everyone to wear masks and practice social distancing. You have an individual responsibility to yourself. But you have a societal responsibility, because if we want to end this outbreak, we've got to realize that we are part of the process. We want to hear now from an elected official in Arizona, where more than 85% of intensive care and hospital beds are filled now with covert patients. John Giles is the Republican mayor of Mason. And he joins me now. Welcome to the program, Sir. Thank you. Pleasure to be here. The governor's allowing local governments to require that people wear masks, though he's not imposing That requirement statewide. You actually made the decision from Mesa a week ago. Can you explain why you did that? Sure, well as urine indicated a moment ago, Arizona's experiencing a surge in cases of we are rolling back a lot of the games that were hard fought gains during the stay at home order. For public health purposes. It really in my mind was a no brainer. We need Teo to do what? Everything that we can at this point to try to protect our economy to try to regain our economy in May, so we're supposed to sending our kids back to school in about 40 days. I just can't see that happening. Under the current situation, so we're back in the in the scenario of flattening the curve, so desperate times call for desperate measures. Have you had pushed back because we've seen this all over the country where the use of masks have particularly Republicans. Let's be honest saying that ah, this infringes on their constitutional rights. Yes, we have had that pushback from Ah, goodbye. Consider of a vocal minority. Most folks I think, see the situation the same that I do that It's certainly an inconvenience. It's not none of us are fans of masks. But the science, the experience of other cities and countries that are ahead of us on this curve. It's been established that this is really one of the best things we can do to mitigate the spread of the virus. The governor has said forcing people to wear masks or to stay at home is not his role, and instead he is appealing to personal responsibility. He's a fellow Republican. Do you think that's sufficient? Well, I appreciate that the empowered mayors to to do this. Clearly, it's appropriate in an urban setting. On the other hand, there are parts of Arizona that are very rural, and I think the governor Thought that one size fits all approach might not be best in Arizona. May says just 20 miles from Phoenix, where President Trump without a mask, spoke to several 1000 students just last week on DH. They were also mostly unmasked. He also visited a mask factory. What do you think about the example that he's setting as the state explodes with cases? Well, I was proud of our governor when he was in attendance at that. That rally that he and Senator MC Sally also strong Republicans, so war mask the entire time. So I think it is an opportunity to model the behaviour that we are hoping to see. And the folks that we cover And do you think President Trump by not doing so has confused the public. I think it's a missed opportunity. I think it plays into the hands of those who want to politicize this issue. Would you say he is one of those people, though I would say that he's missed the opportunity to model good behavior on that topic. Even if you you know, try and get people to wear masks. Really try and control the situation in your city. We do know that all these places are interconnected, right State Border City borders air open. People are moving around. There's only so much individuals. Khun do would you say that there needs to be a more unified federal response? Because the numbers that we see in other countries are a fraction of what we're seeing here in the United States. I do think that things are going to work get worse before they get better. As governors and mayors and presidents seek to try to act like we can get ahead of this mandates, like mask wearing are going to become more and more prevalent, so it would not surprise me. As we continue to walk down a horrible path, and as things continue worse that you'll see more national mandates statewide mandate stick place. Did you think things had to get worse, though? You know, that's a good question for the for the medical community. Obviously, I think we could have done more Ah few months ago. You know we were. We were wondering if we were overreacting when we were closing some of our city facilities where we were when we were in encouraging bars and restaurants to do takeout and delivery only. So I think we need to remember that taking steps which in the context you're in, might seem like they're overreacting. So far, In hindsight, that hasn't been the case. We have not gotten ahead of this virus and we need to be aggressive and whether we're approaching That's John Giles, mayor of Mesa, Arizona. Thank you very much. Many businesses say customers must wear face masks or they'll be asked to leave. That's in addition to state and county officials have mandated face coverings as we heard earlier. Some Americans think those requirements are unconstitutional. But are they Lindsay Wiley runs the health law and policy program at American University and joins us now. Hi there. Hi. Thanks for having me. There is this medical case for wearing them. What's the legal basis for making people cover their faces? State and local governments have really quite broad authority, particularly in a public health emergency like this Tio issue emergency orders. We're seeing some potential legal issues arise, though. Regarding how these orders are being adopted, whether they're following the correct political process, whether it's the right part of government, that's that's issuing the orders and then we're also seeing some court challenges filed. Arguing that these orders violate individual rights..

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

07:09 min | 1 year ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KQED Radio

"The positivity rate grow. Some of what you're saying, though, is the fact that This is mass testing regardless of symptoms. Miami has now closed its beaches for the fourth of July weekend. Meanwhile, in Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott says his state, which was in its third phase of reopening is also seeing a surge of cases. If I could go back and redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down the opening of bars. Now saying in the aftermath of how quickly spread in the bar setting, and many Americans are refusing toe wear facemasks saying requirements to do so violates their constitutional rights. After miss information spreads online Here is one person in Fort Pierce, Florida wellbeing right to our freedoms are being taken for other And I will not be muzzled like a mad dog. As cases here spiral and measures were left up to state and local officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the Federal Corona Virus Taskforce was left pleading for everyone to wear masks and practice social distancing. You have an individual responsibility to yourself, but you have a societal responsibility. Because if we want to end this outbreak, we've got to realize that we are part of the process. We want to hear now from an elected official in Arizona, where more than 85% of intensive care and hospital beds are filled now with covert patients. John Giles is the Republican mayor of Mason. And he joins me now. Welcome to the program, sir. Thank you for the governor's allowing local governments to require that people wear masks, though he's not imposing That requirement statewide. You actually made the decision from Mesa a week ago. Can you explain why you did that? Sure. Well, a CZ urine indicated a moment ago. Arizona's experiencing a surgeon cases We are rolling back a lot of the games that were hard fought gains during the stay home order. For public health purposes, and it really in my mind was a no brainer. We need Teo to do what? Everything that we can at this point to try Tio protect our economy to try to regain our economy with in May. So we're supposed to sending our kids back to school in about 40 days. I just can't see that happening. Under the current situation, so we're back in the in the scenario of flattening the curve, so desperate times call for desperate measures Have you had pushed back Because we've seen this all over the country where the use of masks have Particularly Republicans. Let's be honest saying that this infringes on their constitutional rights. Yes, we have had that pushback from ah by consider of a vocal minority. Most folks I think, see the situation the same that I do that It's certainly an inconvenience. It's not none of us are fans of masks, but the science, the experience of other cities and countries that have been ahead of us on this curve. It's been established that this is really one of the best things we can do to mitigate the spread of the virus. The governor has said forcing people to wear masks or to stay at home is not his role, and instead he is appealing to personal responsibility. He's a fellow Republican. Do you think that's sufficient? Well, I appreciate that he empowered mayors to do this. Clearly, it's appropriate in an urban setting. On the other hand, there are parts of Arizona that are very rural. Andi. I think the governor thought that one size fits all approach might not be best in Arizona. May says just 20 miles from Phoenix, where President Trump without a mask, spoke to several 1000 students just last week on DH. They were also mostly unmasked. He also visited a mask factory. What do you think about the example that he's setting? As the state explodes with cases? Well, I was proud of our governor when he was in attendance of that that rally that he and Senator McSally Both strong Republicans so or mask the entire time. So I think it is an opportunity to model the behaviour that we are hoping to see A and the folks that we cover. And do you think President Trump by not doing so has confused the public. I think it's a missed opportunity. I think it plays into the hands of those who want to politicize this issue. Would you say he is one of those people, though I would say that he's missed the opportunity to model good behavior on that topic. Even if you you know, try and get people to wear masks, Really try and control the situation in your city. We do know that all these places are interconnected, right State border city borders are opened. People are moving around. There's only so much individuals. Khun do would you say that there needs to be a more unified federal response? Because the numbers that we see in other countries are a fraction of what we're seeing here in the United States. I do think that things are gonna work get worse before they get better. As governors and mayors and presidents seek to try to act like we can get ahead of this. Mandates, like mask wearing are going to become more and more prevalent, so it would not surprise me. As we continue to walk down a horrible path, and as things continue it worse that you'll see more national mandates statewide mandate stick place. Did you think things had to get worse, though? You know, that's a good question for the for the medical community. Obviously, I think we could have done more. Ah, few months ago. You know we were. We were wondering if we were overreacting when we were closing some of our city facilities where we were when we were in encouraging bars and restaurants should do takeout and delivery only. So I think we need to remember that taking steps which in the context you're in, might seem like they're overreacting. So far, In hindsight, that hasn't been the case. We have not gotten ahead of this virus and we need to be aggressive way approaching. That's John Giles, mayor of Mesa, Arizona. Thank you very much. Many businesses say customers must wear face masks or they'll be asked to leave. That's in addition to state and county officials have mandated face coverings as we heard earlier. Some Americans think those requirements are unconstitutional. But are they Lindsay Wiley runs the health law and policy program at American University and joins us now. Hi there. Hi. Thanks for having me. There is this medical case for wearing them. What's the legal basis for making people cover their faces? State and local governments have really quite broad authority, particularly in a public health emergency like this. Teo issue emergency orders. We're seeing some potential legal issues arise, though, regarding how these orders air being adopted, whether they're following the correct political process. Whether it's the right part of government. That's that's issuing the orders. And then we're also seeing some court challenges filed, arguing that these orders violate individual rights..

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"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

07:10 min | 1 year ago

"lindsay wiley" Discussed on KCRW

"The positivity rate grow. Some of what you're seeing, though, is the fact that This is mass testing regardless of symptoms. Miami has now closed its beaches for the fourth of July weekend. Meanwhile, in Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott says his state, which was in its third phase of reopening is also seeing a surge of cases. If I could go back and redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down the opening of bars. Now saying in the aftermath of how quickly spread in the bar setting, and many Americans are refusing toe wear facemasks saying requirements to do so violates their constitutional rights. After miss information spreads online Here is one person in Fort Pierce, Florida will be in luck to our freedoms are being taken for other And I will not be muzzled like a mad dog. As cases here spiral and measures were left up to state and local officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the Federal Corona Virus Taskforce was left pleading for everyone to wear masks and practice social distancing. You have an individual responsibility to yourself. But you have a societal responsibility, because if we want to end this outbreak, we've got to realize that we are part of the process. We want to hear now from an elected official in Arizona, where more than 85% of intensive care and hospital beds are filled now with covert patients. John Giles is the Republican mayor of Mason. And he joins me now. Welcome to the program, sir. Thank you. Pleasure to be here. The governor's allowing local governments to require that people wear masks, though he's not imposing that requirement statewide. You actually made the decision from Mesa a week ago. Can you explain why you did that? Sure. Well as urine indicated, ah, a moment ago, Arizona's experiencing a surgeon cases we are rolling back. A lot of the gains support were hard fought game. Still, during the stay at home order for public health purposes, it didn't really in my mind was a no brainer when we need to. Ah, To do what? Everything that we can at this point to try to. Ah, protect our economy to try to regain our economy with in May, so we're supposed to sending our kids back to school in about 40 days. I just can't see that happening under the current situation, so we're back in the in the scenario of flattening the curve. So desperate times call for desperate measures. Have you had pushed back because we've seen this all over the country where the use of masks have particularly Republicans. Let's be honest saying that ah, this infringes on their constitutional rights. Yes, we have had that pushback from ah by consider of a vocal minority. Most folks I think, see the situation the same that I do that It's certainly an inconvenience. It's not none of us are fans of masks. But the science, the experience of other cities and countries that have that are ahead of us on this curve. It's been established that this is really one of the best things we can do to mitigate the spread of the virus. The governor has said forcing people to wear masks or to stay at home is not his role, and instead he is appealing to personal responsibility. He's a fellow Republican. Do you think that's sufficient? Well, I appreciate that The empowered mayor's Toa do this. Clearly, it's appropriate in an urban setting. On the other hand, there are parts of Arizona that are very rural, and I think the governor Thought that one size fits all approach might not be best in Arizona. May says just 20 miles from Phoenix, where President Trump without a mask, spoke to several 1000 students just last week on DH. They were also mostly unmasked. He also visited a mask factory. What do you think about the example that he's setting as the state explodes with cases? Well, I was proud of our governor when he was in attendance at that. That rally that he and Senator MC Sally, both strong Republicans, so war mask the entire time. So I think it is an opportunity to model the behaviour that we are hoping to see A and the folks that we cover. And do you think President Trump by not doing so has confused the public. I think it's a missed opportunity. I think it plays into the hands of those who want to politicize this issue. Would you say he is one of those people, though I would say that he's missed the opportunity to model good behavior on that topic. Even if you you know, try and get people to wear masks. Really try and control the situation in your city. We do know that all these places are interconnected, right State Border City borders air open. People are moving around. There's only so much individuals. Khun do would you say that there needs to be a more unified federal response? Because the numbers that we see in other countries are a fraction of what we're seeing here in the United States. I do think that things are gonna work get worse before they get better. As governors and mayors and presidents seek to try to act like we can get ahead of this. Mandates, like mask wearing are going to become more and more prevalent, so it would not surprise me. As we continue to walk down a horrible path, and as things continue it worse that you'll see more national mandates statewide mandate stick place. Did you think things had to get worse, though? You know, that's a good question for the for the medical community. Obviously, I think we could have done more Ah few months ago. You know we were. We were wondering if we were overreacting when we were closing some of our city facilities where we were when we were encouraging bars and restaurants to do takeout and delivery only. So I think we need to remember that taking steps which in the context you're in, might seem like they're overreacting. So far, In hindsight, that hasn't been the case. We have not gotten ahead of this virus and we need to be aggressive and went away approaching. That's John Giles, mayor of Mesa, Arizona. Thank you very much. Many businesses say customers must wear face masks or they'll be asked to leave. That's in addition to state and county officials have mandated face coverings as we heard earlier. Some Americans think those requirements are unconstitutional. But are they Lindsay Wiley runs the health law and policy program at American University and joins us now. Hi there. Hi. Thanks for having me. There is this medical case for wearing them. What's the legal basis for making people cover their faces? State and local governments have really quite broad authority, particularly in a public health emergency like this, Tio issue emergency orders. We're seeing some potential legal issues arise, though regarding how these orders are being adopted, whether they're following the correct political process, whether it's the right part of government, that's that's issuing the orders and then we're also seeing some court challenges filed. Arguing that these orders violate individual rights..

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"I'm sure you also saw the widely publicized story of American Airlines kicking off a passenger from one of their planes after he refused to wear a mask. And I guess that raises the question what businesses can require in the private sector. Did they have complete discretion? Business owners to have quite a lot of authority to require patrons and customers and employees as well to adopt face coverings as a protective measure, where conflicts come in eyes in situations where the patron, for example, perceives the mask ordered to be coming from the business itself, rather than from government. So we're actually seeing some business owners and managers as well urge local governments or state governments to adopt mandatory mask requirements as a way of taking the pressure off of them. I think a lot of business owners would like to be able to point to the government and say if you don't like our rules, take it up with the mayor instead of being positioned as requiring them asks themselves. I'd like to touch again on the idea of mask wearing becoming political. Are there other examples in the history of public health and safety? When we see these kinds of tensions between scientists and doctors and The public and, you know, particular political affiliation. Absolutely seatbelt laws. Motorcycle helmet laws rules about who can sell cigarettes and where people can smoke them. Even the so called big Gulp ban in New York City, these public health rules are often seen as paternalistic. Mask mandates are being framed that way as well. But that's not quite right. The message that wearing a mask protects other people isn't really getting through for some folks, So we're seeing a lot of rhetoric about how it should be a personal choice to decide to take a risk instead of focusing on how we don't know who's infected and could be spreading the virus to others. I mean, right now, we're seeing sort of the virus running rampant in the United States. And we know from health officials that wearing a mask is one of the ways in which we as individuals can actually help to control this pandemic. What do you think should happen? Going forward? I think the focus on mask is worth discussing it. It's a common sense steps that people can take. But I hope that people don't get too distracted by the mask issue alone and let that distract them from being angry at the government for failing to fund more testing and tracing so that we can implement a modern public health response. Masks help slow the spread. But a well funded and coordinated testing strategy is the foundation of that modern response that we know is far more effective. Even the mask wearing Lindsay Wiley is the director of the Health Law and Policy Program.

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"One of the first states to reopen shattered its own record. On Saturday, nearly 10,000 new cases in just one day. Republican governor Rhonda Santa's said that that dramatic increase was due on Li toe. Widespread testing something doctors say is only partially true. Keep in mind you are seeing the positivity rate grow. Some of what you're saying, though, is the fact that This is mass testing regardless of symptoms. Miami has now closed its beaches for the fourth of July weekend. Meanwhile, in Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott says his state, which was in its third phase of reopening is also seeing a surge of cases. If I could go back and redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down the opening of bars. Now saying in the aftermath of how quickly spread in the bar setting, and many Americans are refusing toe wear facemasks saying requirements to do so violates their constitutional rights. After Miss information spreads online here is one person in Fort Pierce, Florida, We have been right to our three tons of being taken for other And I will not be muzzled like a mad dog. As cases here spiral and measures were left up to state and local officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the Federal Corona Virus Taskforce was left pleading for everyone to wear masks and practice social distancing. You have an individual responsibility to yourself. But you have a societal responsibility, because if we wantto end this outbreak, we've got to realize that we are part of the process. We want to hear now from an elected official in Arizona, where more than 85% of intensive care and hospital beds are filled now with covert patients. John Giles is the Republican mayor of Mason. And he joins me now. Welcome to the program, sir. Thank you for the governor's allowing local governments to require that people wear masks, though he's not imposing that requirement statewide. You actually made the decision from Mesa a week ago. Can you explain why you did that? Sure, well as urine indicated a moment ago, Arizona is experiencing a surge in cases of we are rolling back a lot of the games that were hard fought gains Stilyan during the stay at home order. For public health purposes, and it really in my mind was a no brainer. Women into two Do what? Everything that we can at this point to try Tio protect our economy to try to regain our economy with in May, so we're supposed to sending our kids back to school in about 40 days. I just can't see that happening. Under the current situation, so we're back in the in the scenario of flattening the curve, so desperate times call for desperate measures Have you had pushed back Because we've seen this all over the country where the use of masks have Particularly Republicans. Let's be honest saying that ah, this infringes on their constitutional rights. Yes, we have had that pushback from Ah, goodbye. Consider of a vocal minority. Most folks I think, see the situation the same that I do that It's certainly an inconvenience. It's not none of us are fans of masks. But the science, the experience of other cities and countries that have that ahead of us on this curve. It's been established that this is really one of the best things we can do to mitigate the spread of the virus. The governor has said forcing people to wear masks or to stay at home is not his role, and instead he is appealing to personal responsibility. He's a fellow Republican. Do you think that's sufficient? Well, I appreciate that he empowered mayors to do this. Clearly, it's appropriate in an urban setting. On the other hand, there are parts of Arizona that are very rural, and I think the governor Thought that one size fits all approach might not be best in Arizona. May says, just 20 miles from Phoenix with President Trump without a mask, spoke to several 1000 students just last week on DH. They were also mostly unmasked. He also visited a mask factory. What do you think about the example that he's setting as the state explodes with cases? Well, I was proud of our governor when he was in attendance at that. That rally that he and Senator make Sally both strong Republicans, so war mask the entire time. So I think it is an opportunity to model the behaviour that we are hoping to see. And the folks that we cover And do you think President Trump by not doing so has confused the public. I think it's a missed opportunity. I think it plays into the hands of those who want to politicize this issue. Would you say he is one of those people, though I would say that he's missed the opportunity to model good behavior on that topic. Even if you you know, try and get people to wear masks. Really try and control the situation in your city. We do know that all these places are interconnected, right State Border City borders air open. People are moving around. There's only so much individuals. Khun do would you say that there needs to be a more unified federal response? Because the numbers that we see in other countries are a fraction of what we're seeing here in the United States. I do think that things are gonna work get worse before they get better. As governors and mayors and presidents seek to try to act like we can get ahead of this. Mandates like mask wearing are going to become more and more pregnant, so it would not surprise me. As we continue to walk down a horrible path, and as things continue worse that you'll see more national mandates statewide mandate stick place. Did you think things have to get worse, though? You know, that's a good question for the for the medical community. Obviously, I think we could have done more Ah few months ago. You know we were. We were wondering if we were overreacting when we were closing some of our city facilities where we were when we were in encouraging bars and restaurants to do takeout and delivery only. So I think we need to remember that taking steps which in the context you're in, might seem like they're overreacting. So far, In hindsight, that hasn't been the case. We have not gotten ahead of this virus and we need to be aggressive and whether we're approaching That's John Giles, mayor of Mesa, Arizona. Thank you very much. Many businesses say customers must wear face masks or they'll be asked to leave. That's in addition to state and county officials have mandated face coverings as we heard earlier. Some Americans think those requirements are unconstitutional. But are they Lindsay Wiley runs the health law and policy program at American University and joins us now. Hi there. Hi. Thanks for having me. There is this medical case for wearing them. What's the legal basis for making people cover their faces? State and local governments have really quite broad authority, particularly in a public health emergency like this, Tio issue emergency orders. We're seeing some potential legal issues arise, though regarding how these orders are being adopted, whether they're following the correct political process, whether it's the right part of government, that's that's issuing the orders. And then we're also seeing some court challenges filed, arguing that these orders violate individual rights..

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"Dramatic increase was due on Li toe. Widespread testing something doctors say is only partially true. Keep in mind there you are seeing the positivity rate grow. Some of what you're saying, though, is the fact that This is mass testing regardless of symptoms. Miami has now closed its beaches for the fourth of July weekend. Meanwhile, in Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott says his state, which was in its third phase of reopening is also seeing a surge of cases. If I could go back and redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down the opening of bars. Now saying in the aftermath of how quickly spread in the bar setting, and many Americans are refusing toe wear facemasks saying requirements to do so violates their constitutional rights. After miss information spreads online here is one person in Fort Pierce, Florida, We have been lucky to have been taken for other And I will not be muzzled like a mad dog. As cases here spiral and measures were left up to state and local officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the Federal Corona Virus Taskforce was left pleading for everyone to wear masks and practice social distancing. You have an individual responsibility to yourself, but you have a societal responsibility. Because if we wantto end this outbreak, we've got to realize that we are part of the process. We want to hear now from an elected official in Arizona, where more than 85% of intensive care and hospital beds are filled now with covert patients. John Giles is the Republican mayor of Mason. And he joins me now. Welcome to the program, sir. Thank you for the governor's allowing local governments to require that people wear masks, though he's not imposing that requirement statewide. You actually made the decision from Mesa a week ago. Can you explain why you did that? Sure. Well as urine indicated a moment ago, Arizona's experiencing a surgeon cases we are rolling back a lot of the games that were hard fought gains during the stay home order. For public health purposes. It really in my mind was a no brainer. We need Teo to do what? Everything that we can at this point to try to protect our economy to try to regain our economy with in May, so we're supposed to sending our kids back to school in about 40 days. I just can't see that happening. Under the current situation, so we're back in the in the scenario of flattening the curve, so desperate times call for desperate measures Have you had pushed back Because we've seen this all over the country where the use of masks have Particularly Republicans. Let's be honest saying that this infringes on their constitutional rights. Yes, we have had that pushback from Mumbai consider of a vocal minority. Most folks I think, see the situation the same that I do that It's certainly an inconvenience. It's not none of us are fans of masks, but the science, the experience of other cities and countries that are ahead of us on this curve. It's been established that this is really one of the best things we can do to mitigate the spread of the virus. The governor has said. Forcing people to wear masks or to stay at home is not his role, and instead he is appealing to personal responsibility. He's a fellow Republican. Do you think that's sufficient? Well, I appreciate that the empowered mayors to do this. Clearly, it's appropriate in an urban setting. On the other hand, there are parts of Arizona that are very rural. Andi. I think the governor I thought that one size fits all approach might not be best in Arizona. May says just 20 miles from Phoenix, where President Trump without a mask, spoke to several 1000 students just last week on DH. They were also mostly unmasked. He also visited a mask factory. What do you think about the example that he's setting as the state explodes with cases? Well, I was proud of our governor when he was in attendance at that that rally that he and Senator MC Sally, both strong Republicans, so warm asked the entire time, so I think it is an opportunity to model the behavior. That we are hoping to see you and the folks that we cover. And do you think President Trump by not doing so has confused the public. I think it's a missed opportunity. I think it plays into the hands of those who want to politicize this issue. Would you say he is one of those people, though I would say that he's missed the opportunity to model good behavior on that topic. Even if you you know, try and get people to wear masks, Really try and control the situation in your city. We do know that all these places are interconnected, right State border city borders are opened. People are moving around. There's only so much individuals. Khun do would you say that there needs to be a more unified federal response? Because the numbers that we see in other countries are a fraction of what we're seeing here in the United States. I do think that things are going to work get worse before they get better. As governors and mayors and presidents seek to try to act like we can get ahead of this mandates, like mask wearing are going to become more and more prevalent, so it would not surprise me as we continue to To walk down a horrible path. And as things continue worse, that you'll see more national mandates statewide mandate stick place. Did you think things have to get worse, though? You know, that's a good question for the for the medical community. Obviously, I think we could have done more Ah few months ago. You know we were. We were wondering if we were overreacting when we were closing some of our city facilities where we were when we were in encouraging bars and restaurants to do takeout and delivery only. So I think we need to remember that taking steps which in the context you're in, might seem like they're overreacting. So far, In hindsight, that hasn't been the case. We have not gotten ahead of this virus and we need to be aggressive and by the way approaching That's John Giles, mayor of Mesa, Arizona. Thank you very much. Thank you. Many businesses say customers must wear face masks or they'll be asked to leave. That's in addition to state and county officials have mandated face coverings as we heard earlier. Some Americans think those requirements are unconstitutional. But are they Lindsay Wiley runs the health law and policy program at American University and joins us now. Hi there. Hi. Thanks for having me. There is this medical case for wearing them. What's the legal basis for making people cover their faces? State and local governments have really quite broad authority, particularly in a public health emergency like this Tio issue emergency orders. We're seeing some potential legal issues arise, though regarding how these orders are being adopted, whether they're following the correct political process, whether it's the right part of government, that's that's issuing the orders. And then we're also seeing some court challenges filed arguing that these orders violate individual rights..

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