18 Burst results for "Lindsay Shepherd"

An Interview With Lindsey Sheppard of the Center for Strategic & International Studies

AI Today Podcast: Artificial Intelligence Insights, Experts, and Opinion

04:13 min | 1 year ago

An Interview With Lindsey Sheppard of the Center for Strategic & International Studies

"Guest today is lindsay shepherd fellow with the international security program at the center for strategic and international studies cis i._s. We are recording this live so we are thrilled to have you here at cacus. Thank you lindsey wonderful. Thank you so much for having me. Welcome lindsey and thanks for joining us. We'd like to start by having you introduce yourself to our listeners. Tell them a little bit about your background and your current role. Thank you yes so. I am an associate fellow at the center for strategic and international studies and we are a policy research organization here in washington d._c. And my role i focused primarily on emerging technologies and their applications to defense and national security however my background is actually an engineering so i come to see s._a._s. With years of experience your answer defense research and development and education in aerospace engineering so my goal here is to bring the technical detail and richness forward to our policy recommendations mendacious in research so that we can have better informed discussions on technology relevant topics all right so i know that one of the things you've been doing a lot of research on is is on the position of the u._s. Competitively with other countries in the world so china and the european nations and russia and elsewhere so can you give us some insights and maybe some thoughts that you have on how you see the global race for dominance and leadership great so one thing that we think when we look at the global landscape of artificial intelligence is is that each country and their various countries that are pursuing a i apply it and develop it in ways that reflect their national norms and values and institutions so so the way in which the united states seeks to leverage i will look different than the way china or russia seek to leverage and those three are by far not the only players globally we see eh thirteen to fourteen really strong countries that are all pursuing artificial intelligence and digital capability in a way that supports their national values however the narrative is always framed as the race. We're all racing to a i. I'm not really fond of that analogy in that framing because it makes it angers. You thought that it's a one for one application that i can compare with the united states is doing what china's doing and that's a one for one comparison but what we really need to be talking about is what is the united states doing for itself. A how are we leveraging technology to try forward into the future and then secondly. How are we looking at what other countries are doing an artificial intelligence and addressing addressing that but those are really two separate questions so we see activity from china where they're looking at. How do we deploy for social governance. How do we export our remodel abroad and social governance being very polite way to say you know looking at all the population control and the human rights violations their countries like russia and israel that that are focused very heavily on the robotics that kind of autonomous weapon capability and then the united states which is really taking an approach that says how do we have a human machine teaming framework. How do we take what are people are doing and provide them the tools and intelligent apprentices so that they can do their jobs better yeah. That's great you know to think about what each country is doing and how that relates but not necessarily a race type of way. So how do you see countries approaching concepts of a._i. Ethics responsibility and governance so there's countries that will say one thing but i think it's important to look back and actually see what our country's doing so within the lethal autonomous weapons debate there is a you know. We can't drive forward with s._p._f. Thoughtful consideration. Maybe let's put out abandoned the united nations and however when you look at what is it going on particularly within russia and china both countries are racing forward without out necessarily asking questions i china's and dettori is for you know deploy. I ask questions if you ask any questions at all later russia's very much pursuing autonomous miss weapons but they also are recognizing that at the current moment they are behind the curve on a lot of that foundational infrastructure so they are focusing heavily on. How do we build up the knowledge college. How do we build up the institutions. How do we build up that foundation with the intent that they will one day jump up to kind of the big players. The united states is taking a in terms terms of you know what they're thinking about a much more careful and measured approach on you know we're is it appropriate to put artificial intelligence and it extends far beyond the lethal autonomous thomas weapons

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on EconTalk

EconTalk

02:23 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on EconTalk

"Jason then may be a reasonable person could object to what they're doing while it that's not good that put people in the state of cognitive dissonance and so and it it's a trick it's a rhetorical trick it's like you're objecting to what we're doing you must be the most reprehensible of people who could possibly hold an opposing view and so all sorts of pejorative or all sorts of pejoratives have flowed by way of the people who were prosecuting persecuting lindsay shepherd compared me to hitler or milo yannopoulos take your pick which was you know blackley comedic i think these people they're so clueless they can't even get their insults right it's like look you can't be hitler or milo yannopoulos you know what i mean it's just it's pulp ably absurd so some of some of what's come my way is just conceptual confusion if you stand against the radical left than where exactly do you stand and so people have been guessing while maybe i'm on the radical right it's like well yeah maybe i'm not i have two hundred hours of lectures about one hundred hours of which are about the horrors of the nazi death camps and the appalling pathology of rightwing totalitarianism so it's pretty bloody obvious that i'm not on the radical right um with regards to the phenomenon itself well part of it is i've taken a lot of psychological wisdom you know that that's been generated by the great clinicians of the 20th century freud young adler uh carl rogers the existentialist s um are broadly versed in in the classics of clinical psychology and a lot of what i'm talking to people about is derived from that like i'm a practical person i'm a clinical psychologist i like to help people put their lives together and so what i've done in part is put together lectures that say will look here's a bunch of things that psychologists have learned a lot of them are deep some of them are practical you need to know them because if you know them and you put them into practice your life improves and i'm telling people it straight and i'm taking into account that they have reasons further misery and suffering and then people go often try them and they become back a month later and they say hey look bad i i put that into practice.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:47 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"Or pessimistic about what what what's the how do we solve this just the way we're solvent this is the way to solve it is to is to have i think this is a textbook case of the utility of free speech shepherd was able to make her case publicly there's been a huge debate about it there's been some moves made on the part of the university that look positive we've got ample opportunity everyone has ample opportunity to have their voice heard you know this video were making tonight will probably be washed by a hundred and fifty thousand people it's like and we had a perfectly reasonable discussion i think we gave credit where credit was due with regards to this document and and are jointly hopeful that something positive will come of it and made some pointed critiques about about what it does contain and what it doesn't but we don't want to underestimate the utility of doing these things it's useful and i think the fact that you guys have this little cabal of people at wilfried a who were willing to speak i was shocked when when you wrote that off bad and when the toronto star i wish that i mean nothing like that from an academic happened in relationship to me last year in bill see sixteen we've seen such uniformity of outcry about this from all the newspapers globe star sun which which really just shows you the disconnect between what is happening in the academy and what rape and it's a disconnect of staggering magnitude that people outside the academy say how can you believe that they have it what they've been saying is really this happened this actually happened that's the universal response and in all the response on the campus as well yeah happened and we were right i have a solution i have a solution i mean it's not a solution but it's either.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:02 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"Interest in wilford lorry i i'm sure that the president would be real happy if this went away but i think the probability that it's going to go away is very low because i think wilfried lori is now being watched and being watched by very many people to see what the genuine outcome of this will be and i think that even if it was ignored by the mainstream media which it might be it's not going to be ignored by people on youtube and the people who've been who've been generating content associated with lindsay shepherd and the the magnitude of that content online is absolutely overwhelming i don't know if the fulford lorry administrators know because people older than forty usually don't know much about online media but the amount of commentary this is being generated this is generated on youtube is absolutely beyond belief like it was a major scandal back to the task force though and we'll you've said this in the past the freedom of expression proponents we already are the compromise position because we are saying we want you to be able to articulate whatever position you have we we want you to be able to like we are the compromise position we're not saying we want to shutdown anybody whatever your position is let's hear it that's that vat is where we are so we are already in that compromise position in the boundaries of the law within the boundary of the law of a an out of respect for the university in its operations of course so so were already saying we want all these sides to be able to be hurt i don't understand it's already approved diversity of opinion it is it is and so what i have to look at is many of the colleagues that i have who are are on the left in are hoping for restriction of free expression are really to a certain extent linguistic imperialists that's exactly why i objected to bill see sixteen i said that i wasn't going to let the linguist imperialists take control over my voice in the fact that had happened to be about transgender pronouns was well that was just how that problem manifested itself at that period of time.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:02 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"It would be in a situation even further yes something like that so how how in the world providing evidence that something like that were members of the union we are paying our fees just like everyone else and we just we wanted substantiate simpson's substantiation to these claims that there was violence is a daily of the whole premise is that there's injury happening in that's why we can't speak about these things so if they can establish the violence than maybe where sympathetic to the argument that the speech shouldn't occur but but that's susceptible to bogus claims if there's snow substantiation you can't build policy that way yeah yep not without getting into the kind of trouble that's already emerged in light of recent events we have added measures to improve campus safety while it is by no see that that that actually seems to me to be the one sentence in this article so far that's actually a mistake because by going forward with what practices that are going to improve campus safety then the president is validating the claims of the people who claimed that this occurrence produced an unsafe environment on the campus like so i i i think that that was week we will ensure that all students staff and faculty know exactly what our commitment to academic freedom and freedom of expression means in the classroom that would be good to us in that in we have established the task force on freedom of expression to take input from our community would we should point out which won't include lindsay shepherd right because she asked to be part of that task force in fact i believe that they offered it to her i am not exactly sure some some grad students nominated her and it was prior to the revelation being made that it would be the position would be filled by the president of the graduate students association who and i think this was poor form.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:01 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"Our president is aware that there is a a group on campus that are marginalized yeah these are the the pro life students and i don't care what your position is pro life or or or a pro choice whatever your position with you bloody will have to admit that there is at least a debate there is a debate but the point i would make is here truly is a marginalized group of students who have received no support from our university none in i know where president is aware because early on in this controversy i said and another matter is that these students are being attacked or i'm sorry i don't wanna use hyperbolic language these students are being harassed and they are being harassed 'cause they're they're being threatened with having their funding removed by official bodies of the university yeah well this the pro life students are real canaries in the coal mine as far as i'm concerned regardless of what you think about what you're doing represent diversity its ideological diversity but we're not seeing any reception of these diverse students do they are they being included in this diversity and inclusion no they're being excluded purposely actual offices of my university so i'm dave standard practice i would say on campuses across the country it's just uneven yeah it's on even and i think that what what we need to see is just a policy that applies to all students and not just those who smell right or are orthodox to the social justice or you out or who who were in the what would you call acceptable class of victims veteran okay it bears repeating in the current context that lorries support for our lesbian bar gay by trans queyranne to spirited campus community and transgender people in particular is unwavering it isn't the obvious that it bears repeating in the current context because the issue here fundamentally is that lindsey shepherd was was subject to an administrative inquisition despite the fact that she was one.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:53 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"Hate hate and intolerance is not defined here that that is the problem and and the i keep hearing hate speech is not free speech and then when i asked what do you mean by hate speech yes that is the problem while the other thing too is i'm actually allowed to hate you instead of it's okay you might have done something that makes me hate you but that but there are limits on what i can do as a consequence of that heat and that is not so there's two problems right the first problem is this is a big one who defines hate that's a major problem and the second is well you don't limit hate you can't limit hate any more than you can limit anger or aggression but you can limit the manner in which people conduct themselves win their motivated by those moshe and let's be clear there is really a clear definition of hate when you look at the criminal code under section three three nineteen it says you cannot advocate physical violence against an identifiable group i am totally on board with that like let's let's be clear you can't say going hurt these people i got that but that's really clear where's the definite well i just wanted to see all the issue there is something we discussed earlier is while then we can gerrymander the definition of hurt right well i'm talking physical advocating physical violence rates physical i that physical in there because you're criminal code also does i think it does it in such a way to say we can harm what is harm again harm is long term infliction of damage that compromises your ability to function or your appearance rick it's a pragmatic definition and grounded in common law so we actually have a history of defining so that safe and let's not move away from these definitions because they're the thing that allow us to have conversations that are uncomfortable but need it.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:10 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"Reynolds that libraries have to purchase at inflated prices to produce knowledge that no one will ever read and that's the little scandal that plagues the humanities i think it characterises the amount of these more than plagues them so the idea that there is no systemic wrought let's say in the universities especially in the humanities is just not one case is just start general there there is fraught in it's not everywhere and this just reveals that i don't think she's that familiar with the situation she's ended in i've been listening to some of your work in jonathan hey trying to understand what's been going on over the last two years in universities protected as i am in a business school is starting to realise that it's not everywhere it's it would social justice perspective infielder fine so far right yeah and the business schools although there there are moves into the business schools but they're still doing alright philosophy is not doing too badly like there are disciplines that have still remained untouched and mostly what's happened so far is that if the discipline has a strong economic or scientific footing it's prove much harder to corrupt empirical for my part so i play in the playground of sociology of religion but all my staff will most of my staff is quantitative so i actually i wasn't familiar with what was go i don't i go to conferences where everybody has to have strong empirical evidence i publishing journals that our international journal's better scientific study of religion is what what we do so you know i'm familiar with fuko in and that's up but that's not where i play so i wasn't really exposed to what's going on and you don't and you don't really think well they kept no reasons cernadova got for years ago this is it but then i'm trying to get into the head space of some of my colleagues so i got out a textbook it was called race class engender and it's it's an anthology that's used in cultural studies courses and women studies courses and it's sort of the go to text so untold and i'm reading it and i turned it and i i turned to page fourteen and i can tell you it's page fourteen because i was so astounded by what i found.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:53 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"I'm very worried about diversity knack where the office overreach this suggests that the present as you should be it suggests the president is also worried about the diversity in equity office that she has said were not wa but but the fact that she has done this is really a a strong sign that that she is aware that bat office needs to be needs to be raining right or at least that she's concerned enough about the reputation of the university so that she's not going to let the same mistake happen again which is a good thing like i don't care why she's doing it particularly but it's a good thing that it is being done okay so find so that's a that's a that's good news the base has the added benefit of improved accountability as that office reports through to me as president yeah okay well you can see in those lines that she's not particularly happy about what's happened i wonder what sort of financial hit wilfried lorry took because you could imagine that while the donors are going to be a lot more conservative than the than the professors in the administrators and the students was it we have we've been contacted by a group of alumni who have now organized they haven't yet released what would be their their press release but slowly they been reaching out to other alumni and it's the lorry a alumni for free expression and what they have said is their mandate is one to withhold all donations until loria accepts the lorry statement for freedom of expression and i i haven't checked in it was just someone acting on our own uh she's a lorry alumni she has i guess contacts within the alumni association and she just she set us a constant contact information and said here's what i'm doing wanted you to know i support your efforts and i'm i'm working on this i'll let you know when i'm ready to go into that was really encouraging a colleague who does a survey of chief financial off.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:06 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"Gender inequalities what does that mean exactly i i don't i well anyways oscar nomination sex gender todd doesn't talk about discrimination it talks about inequality right which is which is it would be different if the the phrasing had included the words discrimination okay and the next part is resulting in physical sexual emotional economic or mental harm right right so it's as broadly construed both both clauses are as broadly construed as they can be and the reason for that is to allow maximum scope for interpretation with which is exactly what happened with a draw while mental harm again mental harm and and as you pointed out mental harm is not backed up by the empirical evidence apart from a posttraumatic stress syndrome like cognitive behavioural therapy would suggest that you actually can do mental good by exposing someone to objectionable ideas when they've in moderation in order to help them become less mentallyfragile scott lilla failed emory university sheriff jerry credible storm hit while he is one of the mass he's written several textbooks on cycle pathology right he knows this stuff and just this year he put out a paper where he explored the the empirical evidence around microaggressions yet and he did all of the literature he'll end microaggressions are course these innocuous actions that are deemed to be bigoted or or some her sexist it's it's of rudeness what they are actually showing a video of from tv o is what am i crowe aggression is and what he said was there is absolutely no evidence there's no evidence that microaggressions these objectionable ideas lead to mental harm he also said that the concept itself is extraordinarily illdefined we lead also if they can cross e right that was the beginning of our conversation everything is cold and while that if you make the box big enough you can put anything into it.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:41 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"English between racial bias a novelty avoids right because what you'd have to do as you'd have to find a person in a racial group say a white person who is just as familiar with black people as with white people and then showed that there was a bias because otherwise you can't distinguish it from a novelty novelty version and people are characterized by novelty aversion you already have developed a preference for that top over this cop mean happens that quickly and it's that it's that subtle and and great and grand let's say so the first issue is we can't really distinguish unconscious bias from perceptual habit let's say or from or stereotyping from categorisation for that matter and that literature has been under assault in a major way in the social psychology literature but even assuming that an implicit bias does exist which you might there might be grounds for by noting that people do have an in group preference save for their family members and props even for the racial members although it's hard to distinguish that from novelty or from familiarity preference putting all that aside which you can't there is no evidence that these courses that are put in place to reduce that bias have any effect whatsoever on the biased it's complete even the people who are pushing the i t and the idea of implicit bias are willing to say well all these things that we're doing detroit reduce have absolutely no effect or if anything a negative effect and against just we don't know that with the training is going to be i guess there where we went down this route whole was we don't know what the training is going to be right we don't know it's it's a way of we have no evidence to assume we have no reason to assume that the training is going to address the proper problem and every reason to be sceptical that it won't okay so next.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:28 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"Into the structure of the system right unconscious bias is built into your perceptual structures so even before you act or think you're biased towards against the members of an out group that's the claim and naughtily biased in against the members of out group which is a different claim that biased in favor of your in group which of course almost every human being is especially if you think about your family but that that that implicit bias also manifests itself in behaviors that would essentially be categorize ablaze racist at least at a low level and there's very little evidence that the implicit bias that this test hypothetically measures manifests itself in measurable behavior so in the summer where they ran a regression on salaries at lorry in found the two women were paid a little bit less than than by about four percent and so they gave all leak that they include jade did the include ages a coup vary it the answer to that would be no the model was is hand rank and nothing e it only had four categories of professor adults he iraq when this has been done it university of michigan for instance because i looked at comparables they had 21 categories of professor or twenty one of department really broke down in at ours we had four so you were comparing people for instance within the business school who might be in marketing verses someone who technology yeah well i know i know from setting up regression equations ad nauseam that the the variance that you included in the equation determine the outcome of the of the of the equation the conclusion reached the explanations of the statistical significance to the genetic officiant was systemic discrimination right right of course while that that wasn't the conclusion they reached that was the conclusion they stepped into the inquiry with and they gerrymandered the statistics until they found a regression equation that supported their their initial claim so that was that's not an inquiry but so there's would i hear you saying is there's really no scientific basis for this idea that there could be this unconscious bias that could drive all this there is evidence that were full of unconscious bias is i mean we couldn't even see if we didn't have unconscious bias is because we have to use shortcuts in heuristic to just process the world the issue is what measurable impact is that.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:54 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"A mind that when rambeau kanneh said that there had been a complaint and it says here that there wasn't he then echoes that in his apology to lindsey he then says of course and i'm i'm paraphrasing here so i'm not being completely accurate in terms of what are you exactly said but he said something like of course there are things i can't discuss because of the complaint that was made by a student so he's echoing what seems to be an untruth yes and while this is about his closest statement as you might imagine in a statement like this stating that was a non troops i mean he said she said no formal complaint nor informal concern relative to a lorry policy was registered i mean that's that's huh huh that's as close as you can get to coming right out in saying that the statement that there was a complaint was a falsehood and i just wanna follow that thread for a second so here we have a controversy that was started on an untruth whom and it seems to be that this is part of the whole modus operandi i here when we here and there's been harm right and it's unsafe violence daily violence although again when the media global national news globe and mail checked in to see if there were any police reports related to any harassment or any threats no police reports had universities wrong so so at some point don't we have to say there's a boy who cried wolf whom well this is even this is more egregious even know than claiming harm i mean because you know maybe people were getting nasty tweets and so forth and i'm s i suspect they were but the thing is is that ramba cana and pimlot directly claimed that there had been a complaint yet right and so that's a big problem that isn't thoroughly addressed here.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:04 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"I think i think what we'll do now is go through this letter because what happened yesterday against is the president had appointed a third party factfinder to look into what happened with the lindsay shepherd affair right and there were concerns about that because many people including christie blotch fordwerke concerned and the lawyer that's representing lindsey howard levitte howard levitt was concerned that the person who was appointed to do the third party investigation wouldn't be neutral because he had tweeted his agreement with a variety of let's call them politically correct issues quite publicly but it does look like he's done a credible job that that's how it appears to me anyways the president who is very close mouth or assiduously neutral about this whole affair has released a report and i thought we could go through it at and talk about whether or not we think that it addressed the issues reasonably so it because i think he did in some part but i think it didn't and others so this is from mcclatchy debra mcclatchy phd who's the president and new and vicechancellor wilfried lorient relatively new out at so on your she's really being raked through the coal stops for sure bush is the second most senior position for the last five so she's accustomed to this okay okay it is i believe it is time for some clarity around the events of the past few weeks here at wilfried lorry university stemming from the very regrettable meeting that's an interesting turn phrase to begin with that fall of the showing of a tv oh clipped by a teaching assistant during a tutorial as the newlyappointed president and vice chancellor of this incredible one hundred and six year old institution i'm here to set the record straight and announced some important changes the issue has highlighted some deficiencies but but as importantly at has created opportunities yeah well to me that's a that's a kind of marketing doublespeak it's like we could just go with the deficiencies issue for now opportunities for lorry a to improve our own performance to lead a broader discussion on academic freedom and freedom of expression.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:36 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"In some loan i think they are like one of the things that's happened to me in the last year is that although the press coverage of what i did and just to remind people so last year i made a video about bill see sixteen which was the bill whose provision lindsay shepherd theoretically transgressed against just to be clear about that and when i first made the video i was accused by all sorts of people including journalists of well first of all making unnecessary noise and being unnecessarily alarmist which were the minor accusations and then the more major accusations were that i was all the things that you'd expect a far right agitator to be a big it in a transfer winner racist and all of these things and so but what what was interesting was that the journalists by and large especially the main journalists turned around on that issue really quickly will probably within three weeks because what happened was a couple of them actually went and read the policy documents that i had referred to only ontario human rights commission website which are still there in which are still appalling and have led exactly to this situation with lindsay and as soon as they read would i had been are what what outing let's say in my video then they started to understand that this what that i wasn't just ring a bell for no reason at all it was actually reasonable i think of people to go after me to begin with because canada is such a safe and peaceful place in our political situation an economic situation is being so stable that when someone comes out and says look we're in danger of making a major error the logical first response should be no there.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:35 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"And the second is that in your attempts to protect them the best thing to do is to shelter them from exposure to ideas that would be challenging a frightening which is precisely the opposite of what a clinician does when he's trying to or she is trying to deal with someone who has access anxiety what you do in a case where someone who has excess anxiety even as a consequence of a trauma let's say is you get them to voluntarily exposed themselves to increasingly larger doses of exactly what frightens them that's the curative route so not only is it uh advice that's being disseminated say by people who aren't clinicians it's actually advice that's being disseminated who are promoting the opposite of what an informed clinician would do and it isn't that isn't my opinion that's that that's is close to a consensus is anything you could reach among clinical practitioners right one rules for clinical improvement his get your story straight something like that talk about your past sorted out and expose yourself to the things that you're afraid of that you are inclined to avoid that's the pathway to two brazilians had more robust mental health okay so tell us the story a bit you guys have an inside view of what's happened on the wilfried loria campus since the the lindsay shepherd affair broke i should just say that after this rubber tyre event i read david's piece immediately emailed him and just said and that's how he andrews i saw and we met and we had lunch end in in just talked about free speech.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

01:59 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"When people look at the lindsay shepherd affair this is not an isolated case it will for lorry this is something that is it is a regular occurrence and now it isn't always his high profile but whether it's students in my office saying i can't speak whether it's my colleague sometimes saying to their students who believes that they're stifled in every hand goes up and there have been cases of that colleagues have come and told me but we've got these other examples like when daniel robitaille came to speak at the branford campus of wolford lorry and some students agitated until she was forced not to do so and and my my president degrade we should provide some background so that was the domestic case right and so given as she was a cbc journalist who was accused of sexual assault and sexual misbehavior by a number of people who is immediately let go cbc who is dragged viciously through the press i would say and then was found innocent in the courts out and and but and he had a defence lawyer in the defence lawyer had been invited to speak yes she was part of the defence team she was going to speak and she wasn't going to speak about domestic trial in fact she was going to talk about what it's like to be a highpower powerful lawyer in in the big city in toronto and i mean that would've been really valuable for the criminology students but the students who were agitating against her really with the support of several professors they were saying well know if she comes on it will trigger students it will it will mentally harm students and so that was used as justification for the i interesting to to me to see that these claims of harm and so forth or are generally put forth by people who have no clinical expertise whatsoever and their idea is that the way that you first of all that the way to aid people's mental health is to protect them and there's no evidence for that whatsoever.

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"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

02:02 min | 2 years ago

"lindsay shepherd" Discussed on The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

"The university administration and then tell your faculty to think that way and that's taking it out and a whole different dust taking it to a whole different level of prism presumptuous nece did that come from our administration or from the diversity in equity o from the administration from the leadership the university leadership is that the cpm i remember the it's confusing because i remember we also got an email from the diversity in equity office when when trump won and they said that they've created a safe space and they were going to be open for extra hours in case anybody needed to go and find comfort right that happened to log the united states a you'd think at least the americans have some justification for given that it's their country i mean we need safe spaces because it conservatives elected in the united states in the not even in our country it does seem to be a little bit on the absurd side well it just to me you know they didn't send out an email when justin trudeau one and i have to imagine that there were some students who were offended like there's got to be concern students at loria but it's it's very much a onesided conversation when we talk about administration when we talk about the diversity and equity office they talked about diversity but they really don't mean it because they do not want those students who are ideologically diverse they talbott inclusion but they purposely will exclude those students an an email like that is proof positive of that kind of exclusion but didn't well that was that was a things just got me hopping mad and i i was emailing back and forth of the cali queens and we were talking about the importance of free speech in this had outraged me and and he sent me a a linked to a star article that david had written this is now maybe a month later and ferrier march about this guest speaker daniel robitaille area and that she couldn't speak and was she was she gracias lawyer yeah yeah yeah yeah so merely because she served as a defence lawyer for some what she was pilloried this was another like.

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