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The "American Taliban" Goes Free
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This was just a couple of months after nine eleven twenty year old from California saying he wanted to be a martyr saying he thought all Muslims did. Every single one of us without any exaggeration. Every single one of us was one hundred percent for that we would all these. But. Chooses. When he is. The idea of finding in American over there in this circumstance was not really in the calculations and so part of what happened with John Walker. Lindh was sort of, like shock. Karen Greenberg is a historian an expert on national security. I feel like he's a little bit of a ghost to me, because I remember so clearly seeing this video of a man with a beard looks quite young quite skinny, and that's sort of where my memory ends. Well, that's because that's where our knowledge of him in many ways ends. There are no other images to really have in your mind sort of frozen in time there. So that actually makes a lot of sense. November of two thousand and one John Walker. Lindh was captured by US allies. Lind was held in a fortress. He and the other detainees rioted and the ensuing battle led to the death of a CIA officer named Johnny Mike Spann. It was the first casualty in the US Warren Afghantistan. And when it was found out that Lind was an American citizen. Then all of a sudden, he became the target of did you know about this uprising? If so are you responsible in part for the death of the CIA officer and the story just got all wrapped together at the same time because, you know, it was the image before the story. I don't think we had much of the story when we saw that image. Was this. Right. 'cause. Exactly what I thought. Pretty soon after this video was shot Lind was sent back to the US sentenced to twenty years behind bars and that's where he's been ever since until this week. When you heard he was being released, were you surprised at all? What did you think? You know, mostly I was surprised that so many years had passed, it seemed like such a long time when he was sentenced. I guess I wonder when you hear the name John Walker Lindh like what do you what do you think about? So when I hear the name John Walker Lindh, I just feel a little bit of sadness because I think that his story is something that we should have tried to understand at a much earlier stage, and that it would have helped us in general for understanding others who might wanna go down the path, or a similar path that he went down. It's a story that still confuses, so many of us in terms of understanding not just what motivated him, but who he is? So today on the show, who is John Walker. Lindh. Karen Greenberg has been trying to figure that out for years. She says what happened to him had a ripple effect for national security, and we're still feeling it today. I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to what next stay with us. Here, a couple of words that can change someone's life. 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When it became sort of a cause when his father got involved, then we knew him as John Walker Lindh. He grew up in Marin county the way I understand it. He was a rather sensitive individual as young man. In Reese Catholic raised Catholic in his mid teens. He became devoutly religious as a religious Muslim, the story, I heard was that he watched spike Lee's, Malcolm X film. He did. No, that's right. That one of the things that's attributed to his identification with Islam and Muslims was. Reading the autobiography of Malcolm X for him. It wasn't just the religion. It was what the allegations, the religion put upon you to take care of other Muslims. And when he first went abroad, and he went to a school in Yemen. He wanted a more serious religious indoctrination than he was getting there. And so eventually, he came home for a little while then he went back to Pakistan, and it was from Pakistan that I think he met people whose influence led him to Afghanistan. You say when he left, and I think a lot of people are interested in the fact that he left home quite young. It's sixteen seventeen because I think a lot of people look at it, and they, they start looking at the parents, and they say, how did you not see him for months? And you know, you just knew he was getting this education because I was reading your book. You talk about the story where his parents. In December of two thousand one or sent a photo like is this your son? And they're not sure yeah. I think this probably was very hard on his parents. I think to this day, I think about this at from the point of view of a parent had his apparent nurture child's interests and keep them out of danger in harm's way at the same time. And it's it's not just his interest. It was his intense desire to bring a form of attention to the oppression of Muslims around the world. But he was doing it by fighting. He was at an al-qaeda training camp. Right. And the question is where did that line get crossed when he first went over? I don't think that that, you know, fighting was what, what he was thinking about, but only he knows right? And that, you know, he followed this passage to Afghanistan and then yes being caught with explosives being found with the Taliban. This is all. Why he ended up pleading guilty and the story goes that he met Osama bin Laden while he was there. He came to speak to the people out this training camp. Right. Right. That's what that's the story after he was captured after we all saw this video of him, you know, sort of presenting himself and looking strange frankly, it was hard to know what to make of it. He comes back to the United States, and it seemed to me like things moved really fast. He went from, you know, captured two he's going on trial like within a matter of weeks. Yeah. So let me give you a comparison to this. So John Walker Lindh comes back in early two thousand two to this country and he pleads that summer. Right. The, the, the trial was scheduled to coincide, basically with the year anniversary of nine eleven so that is very swift. Trajectory, let me compare it to Acuras Moussaoui, who originally though he. Not charged with this was in custody and considered to be the twentieth hijacker. Right. And so he had been in custody since August of two thousand and one and he was quickly, you know, moved to the federal system taken into the system and his trial happens. I think five years later, so just to give you a sense of, how fastest was I just, you know, this always was unusually long because some very difficult complications that had to do with torture of witnesses. But still, this was extremely fast. You're absolutely right. So you're saying Zacharias Musawi took five years to get him through the Justice system. Yeah. With John Walker Lindh. It was more like six months. Yeah, it was extremely fast was the, the constant pressure of the CIA officer who had been killed whose father, Johnny Spann was trying very hard to have Lind char. Charged with the death of his son. And so there was a lot of pressure on the prosecutors, as, as well to bring this to trial to make this in a way kind of show piece of how the United States could deal swiftly and effectively with those who associated with al-qaeda and the Taliban. Right. John, Michael Spann. He went by Mike Spann. He was the CIA officer who's killed in prison. Uprising. We're John Walker. Lindh was found. Yeah. And we should say that the evidence tying Mike Spann to John Walker Lindh. It's murky at best. We know that they were in the same place. We know that Mike Spann interviewed John Lind. And we know that Mike, spin died. Do we know much more than that? No. But we do know that there wasn't enough evidence to bring a charge and the judge Ellis, who was the presiding judge. In the case said there was no evidence to this effect and is interesting because John Walker la-. Lind, he was moving through the Justice system at this time when the Bush administration was debating what do we do with people like him where we putting them, you know, get MO was sort of beginning to be an idea that folks were talking about there was even some conversation about, maybe that's where John Walker Lindh should go right? Right. Well, the question was who could be an enemy combatant, right? You're right about the timing at the same November is when the executive order called a military order, laid out what was going to be done with individuals brought into detention captured in the war on terror, and it was aimed at foreigners. That was the idea. But then two weeks later. John Walker Lindh is captured. And so the question is, how does he fit into this? He doesn't fit into this at the same time that he comes back to the United States. Guantanamo is opening Guantanamo opened in January of two thousand and two. Has its first prisoners brought there very early in the year but we weren't putting Americans in Guantanamo. The United States has a very strong record of using the federal courts to try terrorism suspects, whether they're Americans or non Americans this was how we had dealt with al-qaeda for years prior to nine eleven. So it's not really surprising that they put John Walker Lindh into the federal court system. But it does raise something interesting which is a question that has plagued terrorism trials, both in the United States and quantum. Oh, since the since nine eleven which is, how do you combine the federal court system and charges that take place within the battlefield? Feels to me like John Walker. Lindh came around this time when Americans were really wanting someone anyone held accountable nine eleven just happened. Those hijackers were dead. And then you have Mike spans father crying out for Justice, and so that time after John Walker. Lindh comes home is really this time of a lot of public relations on both sides, and a real fight over what this man's detention is all about. Yeah. That's, that's exactly right. And he becomes sort of the lightning rod, for so much that is yet to be decided, and so much of the emotion that is swirling around wanting some kind of accountability want wanting some kind of answered. So then after a few months of. This back and forth and people wondering what's really going to happen. John Walker Lynn, please. I wonder a someone who is watching this research prize that all of a sudden, this dissolves into a plea deal. No, it's not surprising. I think the emotions were so high. The stakes were so high. The idea was that this was going to be a much lower sentence, even though it is a very high sentence. He got twenty years. He got twenty years, that's a high sentence, the, the average sentence for all Qaeda, and ISIS actually convicts has been somewhere around fourteen years. So just to give you a sense of the range, he got twenty years. That's a lot of time. You know took him from his twenties. Two he's almost forty right? But the calculation on the other side for the government was, I mean, this is what we think, is that the plea was late in the night before a suppression hearing was supposed to occur and the suppression hearing. Ng was to talk about whether or not the way John Walker Lindh had been treated while in US custody was so abusive that we really had to throw out many of the things that he had said during his interviews by law enforcement. So that was the context of when the plea was made. And I think that explains a little bit why he got such a high sentence, given the passions of the time. But also why the government was willing not to go through with this trial. Even though it was could have been such an important trial for the nation. I just have to mention here and I think it's worth mentioning. There are people who committed nine eleven you know, we know their names. We knew their names in the nine eleven commission report. They are currently at Guantanamo. They have never been tried. And so when you really think about how much fell on this case, and we've never really had the case that is about what was done to this country. It sort of tells you how off the rails, so much of the post nine eleven a response has been. So you're saying the first problem is that there wasn't enough evidence to sort of prove what John Walker Lindh did, especially because there been conversations about treason. There'd been conversations about holding him responsible for Mike Spann's death. But you're also saying that this plea deal, it's sort of protected us from talking about all the things we were doing weight in Afghanistan. Right. And that could have changed things. There are so many things that if we had done this trial, or known more about this case, we could have changed number one, the way he was treated, what we were willing to do to our own. And what we ended up creating a policy for to do to others, which, by the way, that policy was being developed right during the time of John Walker Lindh's, pretrial custody and hearings. What do we know about how he was treated? Well, we know that he was interrogated with that bullet wound in his leg. We know that he was kept in one of those tin containers that they can. Individuals in enough ghanistan that we've read about other times, and there's more that we don't know why is it significant that we weren't discussing this, at this particular moment in time, because it could have established the line that we, it's very important how we treat those in our custody, whether they're Americans or non Americans because a, it can compromise a judicial proceeding, and it may have caused the kind of public outcry to say, no, we're not going to do this. There are ways to try people. We've been trying terrorists for decades, we know how to do this, and we don't need to torture and abuse them. And it could have we could have had that conversation then. So that's that's one thing. What is John Walker? Lindh been doing for the past seventeen years and Tara Hoed, Indiana. He has become in even more serious scholar of his Lomb. He thinks of himself as a scholar, always, did he challenged Terre Haute prison, where he was asking for reforms that had to do with honoring practice of prayer, and he got what he asked for, for the most part? He's being released early for good behavior. So that's something. But then there have also been these reports that he supports global jihad and ISIS. And I wonder what you make of those. Yeah, the national counterterrorism center was reported two years ago and article about having concerns about his radicalization, as opposed to his religion, and they never really showed any evidence for it, and then NBC news released some correspondence between reporter. And John Walker Lindh in which he does say is he's in two thousand fifteen when he does say very clearly rights. I think ice is doing a good job. I think armed conflict is the way to resolve the way Muslims are being treated. Isn't that how he got into this situation in the first place? Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's a lot of it is the rhetoric of not the ISIS part or the terrorism part, but the idea of oppressed Muslims. So but there's a difference between talking and being terrorist. And I think, you know, defense attorney would very rightfully say that and what they would say is we gotta give him a chance. He served his term like any other criminal in the system. We have to trust our system, and we have to trust law enforcement and intelligence agencies, if they've released him with the kind of restrictions. They released him with if he does something that's of concern. We will be paying attention. And I think that's fair. Talk to me a little bit about the protections that have been put in place. Like what is his life, going to be like, now that he's been released? So he's being released in Virginia as opposed to in Marin county where he grew up another words in the jurisdiction of the court in which he was convicted. And he won't be able to, you know, be on the internet. You know, anything he does that way would have to be highly supervised. My guess, is he'll study Islam, and he may continue to write and to think and to talk about these things. Hopefully in a way that does not support terrorism. And hopefully in a way that does not support violence. You sound really pathetic towards John Walker. Lindh when you talk about him. Yeah. That's I know why. You know, it's a really, really good question. I think there are a lot of amazing young individuals in our society who don't fit the mold, and that we don't take care of them, and we don't know how to nurture them and to say you are so different and because you're so different. We have to find a way to make that blossom and we don't know how to do that. We're not good at it. And it just makes me so set. Should make me cry. I think a lot of people would see this really differently. They would see this writing. John Walker Lindh is done while he's incarcerated, and it would make them feel a little scared. Right. But the John Walker Lynn, I'm concerned with is the John Walker Lindh who originally when abroad and, you know, we asked me what my sympathies about this war, and because that's where they come in. Yes, you can be concerned, but you can't condemn somebody because you're concerned you can condemn somebody because they take an active step to do something that violates the law he went to prison. And now he's out of prison and I, I think he should be given the chance. And he couldn't screw that up, but it would be good if he didn't. Karen greenberg. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. Thank you so much for having me. Karen Greenberg is the director of the center on national security at Fordham, University School of law. And she wrote a book called rogue Justice the making of the security state. That is the show. What next is hosted by me? Mary Harris produced by Mary Wilson. Jason deleo and Ethan Brooks. Thank you so much for listening. 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Battle Lines: Foreign Fighters, Google, and Game of Thrones
"I it's Monday may twentieth. Welcome to skim, then we're breaking down the most complex stories of the day, and giving you the context on why they matter an American convicted of helping the Taliban was twenty years ago is being released from prison this week. We'll break down how the US deals with citizens. Join foreign conflicts against the US then Google is breaking up with walkway. We'll explain what that means for you and game of thrones is over. Finally, but they left a lot on the table, we're here to make your evening smarter. Let skim this. Today's episode is brought to you by prudential prudential is bringing financial wellness. Two more people were bringing the news to your ears. The most complicated story today is about US foreign fighters people who go overseas to fight in armed conflicts and how that gets even more complicated when they're fighting for terrorist groups this week, one US citizen convicted of helping the Taliban and the lead up to the nine eleven attacks is being released from a federal prison in Indiana. He's been there since two thousand two this week he's getting out, three years early. There's been a lot of back and forth about whether the American public is ready to accept someone convicted of helping terrorists back into society. But this isn't just people catching up on an old story. This is something the US is actually grappling with right now. We're going to explain who this foreign fighter was why has released is a big deal and why it spotlighting how the US and its European allies should deal with citizens who support terrorist groups abroad. The man being released from prison. This week is named John Walker Lindh. He was raised in California and converted to Islam as a teenager in the spring of two thousand one he moved to Afghanistan to help the Taliban, which at the time was helping members of Al Qaeda, who will planning the nine eleven attacks Lynn even met with Osama bin Laden in November two thousand one when the US invaded Afghanistan Lindh with captured the following January he was brought to the US to face trial on terrorism. Charges. He became known as the American Taliban. Here's the US attorney general at the time. John Ashcroft is extraordinary for the United States to have to charge, one of its own citizens with aiding and conspiring with international terrorist groups whose agenda is to kill Americans Lind said he wasn't trying to kill Americans and the government eventually dropped the terrorism charges against him. But land did plead guilty. Helping the Taliban and he was sentenced to twenty years in prison. That was seventeen years ago, he since expressed remorse and now he's being released early apparently for good behavior. In congress members on both sides of the I'll say they're worried Lynn could return to his extremist beliefs, and that he could inspire more people to become terrorists, while federal prisons have systems in place to discourage criminals like drug dealers and gang members from returning to those activities. The US doesn't have a national program like that for foreign fighters or extremists. And that's become a bigger issue lately for the US, but also for allies in western Europe, in the fight against the Taliban or al-qaeda but against ISIS. Experts say about forty thousand foreigners left their home countries to join ISIS in Iraq and Syria, almost five thousand of them were minors, and another five thousand were women. Some of them were there to marry ISIS fighters. Most of those foreigners were from neighboring countries in the Middle East, or from North Africa. But thousands of them came from Europe and around three hundred more are Americans, some of those foreigners who are fighting with ISIS, or being captured by Syrian rebels and the US in Europe have been struggling about what to do with them. Do you bring them home in prosecute them? And also, maybe try to rehabilitate them, or do you leave them in detention with the Syrian rebels where they could escape or be released. France has been big on bringing foreign fighters home to face trial. So with Canada and the UK around eighty fighters are facing trial, or being sentenced, but another eighty aren't what's called the home office's channel program, part of the effort to deregulate is terrorists. But the UK has also tried something else. It's stripped, British Foreign fighters of their citizenship. So they can avoid dealing with them all together. The US has tried this to for example, there was the case of Hoda Moussana, a former college student from Alabama who left the US in two thousand fourteen to join ISIS earlier this year. She and her son, surrendered to coalition forces fighting ISIS, and she said that she wants to come home to the US, even if that means jail time. But the Trump administration is saying, she's not actually an American citizen, even though she was born in New Jersey. The US says that because move on his father was a diplomat. She's not the US as problem. So what's the skim? Like we said, part of the problem for the US is that there's no national rehab program for citizens like John Walker. Lindh who've helped terrorists. Minnesota has tried creating its own rehab program. They even rolled convicted, jihadi extremists and white supremacists in a supervised release program to help them. Get back on track. Experts say early results look promising and the times are changing earlier this year. The first American fighter for al-qaeda after nine eleven actually wrote an op Ed in the New York Times about his experience after being captured in Pakistan, he had a change of heart and actively helped American authorities in the fight against al-qaeda. He ended up going to prison, but since being let out he's turned his life around even got a job in manufacturing. Now, he hopes his story will inspire other foreign fighters and help law enforcement understand how he was radicalized in the first place. Meanwhile, the US is waging, a different kind of war with China. It's over your phones that story is next. You're feeling super adventurous, you hit the trail without a GPS ten minutes in you wish you had a map, that's almost people deal with their finances, but prudential can help lead you down the path to financial wellness. You can start by using their financial wellness assessment tool in just five minutes. It can give you key insights into your financial health and help you navigate your way out of the woods. Whatever your money situation is because you need to know where you stand right now. So you can figure out where you're going prudential here to help you plan financially for today and tomorrow. If you've got an Android, you might want to turn up the volume for this next story last week, President Trump effectively, blacklisted, the Chinese tech company walkway now, Google saying it's complying by cutting ties with the world's second largest smartphone maker side note, GV, formerly Google, ventures is a minority investor in the skim. So we've got three things you need to know about what's going on with wa starting with what this break-up actually means. While we phones, rely, a lot on Google services, including the Android operating system, and the Google play apps store with a new ban, Google says they've got to stop giving away access to updates and tech support in a bunch of their products. So Android has this open source licensing project, which means that some of their code like the latest operating system is available for anyone who wants to access. It Wally will still be able to use that, but a lot of Google apps aren't included in the open source project. We're talking g mail and Google play. So while we won't get access to any updates to those products down the pipeline and any new versions of Weiwei smartphones won't have any of Google's apps at all. No, g mail no-go maps, none of them. So this is all part of that. Big trade war going on between the Trump administration and China, remember the US and China have been raising tariffs on each other's imports last week Trump decided to switch up his strategy. He signed an executive order, declaring a national economic emergency, which banned technology and services from foreign adversaries. He didn't explicitly name wa away or China and the order, but companies knew how to read between the lines and it's not just Google companies like Intel Qualcomm, I linked and broadcom have also said they're gonna stop selling their equipment to wa so while is now missing crucial hardware, and software for its smartphones. Finally, you're probably wondering how does this affect consumers, both Google and while air saying not so much for now? Like we said earlier this mostly affects updates Google says that wall way smartphone users won't feel any changes until those start rolling in. And why is saying, we've got a plan B apparently they've been developing their own operating system, just in case and they've been stockpiling computer chips in preparation for cutoff. So they may be fine. But this could have a ripple effect. Experts say China could retaliate by making life Carter for US companies in China. You might have heard about billionaire, Robert F Smith and his graduation gift to the twenty thousand nineteen class of Morehouse college this weekend. Family is making a grant to eliminate their student loans. That's up forty million dollar Umeda gift not bad. But he wasn't the only person talking about Bowland for this weekend. This Massoni launched a twenty five million dollar fundraising campaign to get a permanent space for the Asian Pacific American center in DC Asian-Americans make up about six percent of the population right now. But they are among the fastest growing minority group in the US the Smithsonian Asian Pacific American center says they wanted dedicated space to showcase. How Asians have shaped US history? We've got more about that history on our skin coverage of Asian American and Pacific islander heritage month. Head on over to the skim dot com slash news. Before we go today, we've got a fun fact coming to you from behind the scenes. Okay. So even if you don't watch game of thrones, you probably know that Sunday night was the series finale. It was a big one thirteen point six million people tuned in just for the live show. It's the most watched telecast in HBO history. If you weren't one of those guys don't worry, no spoilers. We want to talk about water bottles. Not one but two plastic water bottles accidentally made it into the final episode. If you haven't seen the show, west coast is more of a Goblets kind of place, but it's not the only time something like this has happened. There was also the rogue Starbucks Cup left next to the mother of dragons a couple of weeks ago, and the kings layers lost hand magically grew back for some promo materials. 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NPR News: 05-23-2019 8AM ET
"Support for this NPR podcast. And the following message come from the UPS store, offering services from shredding to printing to male boxing. And instead of closing this Memorial Day weekend may twenty fourth and twenty fifth. The UPS store is doing another thing altogether. Opening the UPS store every angle for small business, and of course, shipping live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Janine Herbst, the man known as the American Taliban. John Walker Lynn is scheduled to be released today after serving seventeen years in prison. And here's Greg Myra reports his case is once again, stirring controversy. John Walker Lindh grew up Catholic in a comfortable suburb of San Francisco, but at age twenty and shortly before the two thousand one al-qaeda tax, the Muslim convert became a soldier for the Taliban in Afghanistan. His capture less than three months after the nine eleven attacks made him a focal point of anger in the US. He was sentenced to twenty years, but is scheduled for release. From federal prison in Indiana. Three years early for good behavior is family says he never fought against Americans and never intended to while critics say they believe his sentence was too lenient a judge rule that Lynn must be closely monitored while on probation and won't be allowed to travel. Greg Mayari NPR news. Washington in Missouri. Search and rescue crews are looking for people after a strong tornado ripped through Jefferson City late last night. Officials say there are injuries and that several buildings have been damaged boon, county fire department staff chief, Doug westoff says first responders or being cautious. Some decisions have to be made about where we can and can't go and be safe with that. We're running canines down there right now. Missouri public safety officials say at least three people were killed in the golden city era of Barton county near Missouri southwest corner as the severe weather moved in from Oklahoma where rescuers struggled to pull people from high water. This latest tornado hit during a week that has seen several days of. Sisters and torrential rains in parts of the southern plains and the midwest as aviation regulators from around the world. Meet outside of Dallas today to discuss Boeing's troubled seven thirty-seven max, the top US aviation official insists there is no rift between the FAA and its counterparts in other countries. And as NPR's David Schaper reports the official says there'll be no rush to certify that plane to fly again acting F A administrator Daniel L will acknowledge is public confidence in Boeing seven thirty-seven max maybe shaken after two of the jets crashed into no Nizhny, THEO Pia killing three hundred and forty six people in all, and he says, he's not tied to a timetable to approve Boeing software fix and to lift the order. Grounding the play, and we leave no stone unturned. And if it takes a year to find everything we need to give us the confidence to lift the order. Then so be it aviation safety officials in Europe and elsewhere, say they have their own conditions. For certifying Boeing's fixed, but L will says the agencies are at peace and continue to collaborate David Schaper NPR news Fort Worth Texas was featured as contracts are trading negative territory at this hour. The NASDAQ futures contract down about one point two percent at last check. You're listening to NPR news. UK Prime Minister Theresa may, is under intense pressure to resign as NPR's Frank Langfitt reports from London already weak support has rapidly draining away. Many has been in political trouble for many months. But the turning point came earlier this week when she made a last ditch effort to push through her thrice failed Brexit withdrawal deal, which offered a path to a second Brexit referendum on Wednesday night. Andrea, led some senior cabinet minister resigned saying the prime minister could not deliver Brexit leads him became the thirty sixth minister to leave during May's nearly three years in office today. Britain's vote in European parliamentary elections, where they're expected to deal a punishing defeat to the prime minister and are conservative party on Friday. The leader of a committee of conservative party legislators plans to meet with mate oppressor to step down in an editorial London's. Telegraph newspapers said, quote, what can the prime minister be thinking? It's over. Frank Langfitt, NPR news. London. The Trump administration says, Harriet, Tubman, 's image will not appear on the twenty dollar Bill on till twenty twenty six at least Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin told the House Financial Services committee Wednesday that the decision on whether to put the African American abolitionist leaders face on the Bill would be left to another Treasury Secretary three years ago, then Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said Tubman would replace. Former president, Andrew Jackson has the face of the popular Bill that redesigned was supposed to have been unveiled next year. Asian markets were lower by the closing bell. The Nikkei down six tenths of a percent. The Hang Seng and Hong Kong, down one point six percent. That's a four month low. I'm Jeanine Herbst, NPR news in Washington.
Full Episode: Friday, May 24, 2019
"Hey, I'm Brad milkey, and I hosted new daily news podcast from ABC news called start here. Every day we get you up to speed on the stories that are going to be driving your day. We get important context from experts with on the ground access, and we do it all in twenty minutes. So start smart and subscribe to start here. From ABC news. World news this week. I'm Daria all the you're in New York coming up, president of the United States is engaged in a cover-up? She's lost it. President Trump and house speaker Nancy Pelosi escalate, their feud as Trump cabinet officials are grilled by congress than Oreo is the man called the American Taliban is freed from prison turning lose if reports out here he's not being the mo- upriver. The also he is the time's up movement targets McDonnell. The Hon, the towel every single day had to gone for those shows and ABC resurrects to classic TV shows. The people in events that made the headlines when world news this week continues. Memorial Day summons, the nation to pause and reflect on the sacrifice made by American servicemembers. Some of died on battlefields of afar. Others because of what they saw their join me Aaron Katersky for an ABC news, special America remembers we share stories of who these people were how they died and how they are kept alive in the memories of family members left behind to mourn, America remembers, listen for it right here. Just when it seemed things couldn't get any worse relations between the Trump administration and congress decayed even further this week, both sides, launching into accusations and name calling the first spark was lit Monday when the administration refused to allow former White House counsel, Don Mcgann to testify to congress, ABC's, Karen Travers has more in a letter to House Judiciary committee chairman, Jerrold Nadler, the White House says former White House counsel, Don Mcgann is quote absolutely immune from compelled testimony before congress in order to, quote, protect the institution of the presidency. Democrats, same again is a critical witness to what they say, were many alleged instances of obstruction of Justice and misconduct laid out in the Muller report, again, spoke to the special counsels team for more than thirty hours under oath. He told investigators President Trump in June twenty seventeen repeatedly asked him to fire Muller and pressured him to deny he'd been directed to do that. Karen Travers, ABC news, the White House. The neck. Day. The Washington Post reported it obtained, an IRS memo contradicting treasury. Secretary Steven Mnuchin is reason for not handing over the president's tax returns to congress about Mnuchin held firm, and his refusal. He told members of congress Wednesday that the supreme court should make the final decisions three branches of government. And when it comes to constitutional issues there could be different interpretations, and that's why there's a third branch of government. House Democrats erupted in a closed door meeting members demanded house speaker Nancy Pelosi launch an impeachment inquiry into President Trump's conduct sources tell ABC news Pelosi urged patients, but the democratic leader had strong words for the president. More from ABC news. Senior congressional correspondent Mary Bruce moments before heading to the White House speaker Nancy Pelosi took a direct shot at President Trump. We believe the president of the United States is engaged in a cover up furious that the president refuses to cooperate with congressional investigations Pelosi is under mounting pressure from Democrats to. Peach back at the White House. The president was watching he made Pelosi and democratic leaders wait for their scheduled meeting on infrastructure arriving late. He shook no hands and immediately let loose on the speaker calling her comments terrible. Then he marched right into the rose garden to unload. I walk into look at people that are just said that I was doing a cover up. I don't do cover ups the president declared. He will not work with Democrats on infrastructure or any other issue until they stop investigating him. You can go down the investigation track, and you can go down the investment track, or the track of, let's get things done for the American people back on the hill. Democrats said they were taken aback. They called the whole thing. A setup saying Trump was never serious about negotiating two trillion dollar plan to rebuild the country's crumbling. Bridges roads and infrastructure to some reason, maybe it was lack of confidence on his part. He. He just. Took a pass. An just makes me wonder why why he did that in any of that. I pray for the president of the United States, but on the question of impeachment Pelosi wouldn't dancer, she has said house. Investigators should follow the facts, but she's also concerned impeachment could drown out Democrats agenda, heading into the two thousand twenty election, the situation worsened during an impromptu news conference Thursday, at the White House. Here's ABC news chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl. She's a mess at an event to announce billions of aid to farmers hurt by us tariffs. President Trump escalated is war of words. With house speaker Nancy Pelosi, she's not the same person. She's lost it. He claimed she just doesn't understand the issues, they sort of feel. She's disintegrating before the rush Andy defended his own mental fitness. I'm an extremely stable genius. Pelosi fired back on Twitter saying, quote when the extremely stable genius starts acting more. Essential. I'll be happy to work with him on infrastructure trade and other issues. The president also accused Pelosi of not telling the truth about his demeanor when he walked out of their meeting on Wednesday at the White House, again stormed out. I think I. I. Pound the table. Walk out the door one by one. He called on his advisors to say he was actually quite calm. What was my tone? Very calm. I've seen both and this was definitely neither. Or ranting the president continued his attacks on Pelosi on Twitter. He posted a doctored video that is slowed down just enough to make it sound like Pelosi is slowing her words, YouTube says it removed versions of the video and Facebook says the video has been heavily reduced on news feeds, but the video remains on President Trump's Twitter feed, despite the war of words congressional Democrats do appear closer to obtaining. The president's tax returns vote of eighty four to fifty three the New York state assembly passed a Bill that would require the state tax Commissioner to release any state tax return requested by one of three congressional committees, make sure that. We are cooperating with our colleagues in the federal legislature sponsor assemblyman, David buckwald, the Bill made no mention of President Trump. But the intent has been clear governor Cuomo a democrat will sign the Bill, which already passed the state Senate, Aaron Katersky, ABC news, New York, and a federal judge refused to block your Bank and Capital, One from giving congress documents related to the Trump organization. Wednesday's ruling could be overturned by a higher court all this as negotiations continue to get special counsel Robert Muller before congressional committee is reluctant to testify. Sources telling ABC news is concerned at a public hearing could descend into a political circus, where both sides would try to use them as a pond for their own purposes. He also quoting sources believes he would be limited and saying much beyond when his detail in his report, all this shows how delicate the negotiations are net list saying that Muller wants to make an opening statement. And then go into a close session. We have not heard anything officially from Muller, so we don't know whether he will. Agree to such deal, or simply declined to testify ABC news chief Justice correspondent, Pierre Thomas from Washington on Thursday. President Trump announced a new step in the Justice Department's review of the investigators who started the Russia investigation president has sent a memo ordering the intelligence community to quote quickly and fully cooperate with his attorney general's review of the origins of the Russia probe. Overnight Trump tweeted, quote intelligence agencies were used against an American president House Judiciary chairman, Jerry Nadler responding, calling it nonsense on MSNBC's, Rachel, Maddow show, and what they're really trying to do is to divert attention from the mullahs report and from the from the president's actions against the rule of law to imagine to an imaginary scandal. No Nichols, rowdy ABC news, Washington, during the same congressional hearing in which he again, refused to hand over President Trump's tax returns, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin was also asked about plans to redesign the twenty dollar Bill. Mnuchin said a decision about replacing president Andrew Jackson with Harriet, Tubman won't be made until at least twenty twenty six he cited security issues and a tough congressional hearing for housing and urban development. Secretary, Ben Carson. He appeared before the House Financial Services committee, Tuesday, and was asked this question by democratic Representative Katie porter, you know what an Oreo is an Oreo are not an Oreo or an R E R out real estate. What's the stand for the organization owned real estate owned? That's what happens when a property goes to foreclosure, apparently trying to make light of the moment. Carson tweeted a picture of himself holding a family sized pack of double stuffed Oreo cookies. The caption read quote O R E. Oh, thanks Representative Katie porter enjoying a few post hearing snacks, sending some your way. Democrats say Carson is unqualified and should resign on Thursday. The Senate passed a Bill aimed at combating robocalls, but by partisan disaster relief. Bill expected to pass the house on Friday got pushed back until Jews. Nineteen billion dollar disaster relief Bill has nearly unanimous support from both parties, but the house will now have to vote on it next month. Texas Representative chip ROY objected to a request to pass the Bill with unanimous consent Friday morning on the grounds. The Bill had no money for the border had no clear plan for payment and needed to be voted on in person by the house. Congress will have passed into law Bill that spends nineteen billion dollars of taxpayer money. Without members of congress being present here in our nation's capital to vote on it cover. All ABC news Washington overseas tensions continue to escalate between the US and Iran. President Trump has approved sending thousands of additional troops to the Middle East to counter Iran in the region. ABC news chief global affairs. Correspondent Martha Raddatz reports in Washington, the request was made by the military central command responsible for the region. One official saying the request could result in five to ten thousand more troops, which would be used for defensive purposes. As a deterrent to Iran. The president on Monday calling Iran very hostile and the number one provocateur of terror. We have no indication that anything's happened or will happen. But if it does, it will be met, obviously with great force. We'll have no choice already. The US has sent a carrier strike group in be fifty two bombers to the region and evacuated non-emergency personnel from diploid. Matic facilities in Iraq because of what the administration said, we're significant threats from Iran or its proxies officials say, images show, Iranian operatives had loaded cruise missiles onto small boats. The US has also pointed the finger at Iran for the recent sabotage of four oil tankers off the coast of the UAE. But after a briefing Tuesday by national security officials esscalation some members of congress voice skepticism Britain's prime minister resigned on Friday in the end Theresa May had no choice. The word from members of our own ruling party jump or you'll be pushed out today, announcing the title resign, as leader of the conservative and Unionist Party on Friday, the seventh of June. So the to success can be chosen her downfall, her less than stellar handling of Britain's exit from the European Union. Tom rivers, ABC news, London, and the American captured in Afghanistan with the Taliban. After nine eleven was released Thursday from a federal prison in Indiana. The release comes seventeen years into a twenty year sentence for good behavior in two thousand two when he was sentenced John Walker Lindh told the court he made a mistake joining the Taliban, but Allison span, the daughter of Mike Spann, a CIA agent killed in Afghanistan hours after interviewing Walker Lindh thinks he still has extremist beliefs. He is getting released early because of his good behavior in prison. And for my family terrorism does not equal good behavior. Johnny Spann says, Walker Lindh should've warned his son about the uprising the family had been fighting to keep him behind bars due to reports. He remained radicalized in prison. Don't turn him loose. If there's reports out here that he's not being the model prisoner that, also he is family pointing to, to government report showing behind bars. Lynn continued to make pro ISIS statements John Walker Lindh now expected to go to northern Virginia, where who live in temporary. Housing under restrictions. His electric devices will. The monitored he must communicate only in English undergo mental health counseling and his passport has been taken away. Ryan burrow, ABC news. Tara. He's already facing extortion. Charges for allegedly trying to shake down Nike on Wednesday attorney, Michael Levanon, who was indicted by a separate grand jury in New York. More from ABC's Tom yomas, federal prosecutors, bringing new charges accusing him of stealing from the client, that put him on the map porn star stormy Daniels, my attorney and I are committed to making sure that everyone finds out the truth of naughty representing Daniels, which he tried to terminate her hush money agreement over an alleged affair with President Trump, the notoriety led to a book deal for Daniels. A memoir, titled full disclosure federal prosecutors allege oven Audie sent Daniels. Literary agent of fraudulent and unauthorized letter instructing the book advance be sent to an account controlled by here's when Abu Nadi received the funds the indictment states he used. It to make a lease payment for a Ferrari to pay for hotels. Airfare meals, even dry cleaning all for himself. And when Daniels asked about the money of a naughty, allegedly lied to her, stealing three hundred thousand dollars of her own money and only giving her half back and WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange faces a slew of new federal charges in the US federal prosecutors called the two thousand ten WikiLeaks disclosures. One of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the United States say announced an eighteen count indictment against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, one of the charges. A violation of the espionage act, they focus on his interactions with former army intelligence analyst, Chelsea Manning. Do prosecutors say turned over classified documents to Assange, who then publish that. If convicted Assange faces decades in prison. He's currently serving a fifty weeks sentence in Great Britain for a bail violation. He's fighting extradition to the US. Brian Clark, ABC news celebrity chef Mario batali pleaded not guilty. Friday to indecent assault. The criminal charges stemming from one of the multiple accusations by women that batali sexually assaulted and harassed them in his restaurants this as the time's up movement, targets one of the largest companies in the world on Tuesday, more than two dozen workers filed complaints against McDonalds accusing the company of sexual assault harassment and gender based discrimination. Flanked by time's up supporter. Top chefs Padma Lage me woman after woman emotionally recounted their tales of harassment workers. Stories of being harassed while working at McDonalds, both men, bow behavior several times. Brittany oil says she was sexually harassed by one of her managers when she was just sixteen. She says after she rejected his advances and reported the alleged sexual harassment. She was demoted. I want on the towel every single day had to go on for those ships. Brittany's mother worked at the same McDonald's end was training to be a manager, but says after alerting her superiors to the alleged misconduct. She was punished my career path, where I was becoming manager came to a halt, McDonald, says it has always had an unyielding commitment to providing a safe and respectful work environment. Aviation officials from thirty three countries met Thursday in Texas to talk about getting Boeing seven thirty-seven max jets back into the air, the FAA trying to convince global aviation authorities, it's doing an extensive investigation into the Boeing seven thirty-seven max before it allows the plane to fly again, acting FAA administrator. Dan, L well talking ABC news, Seventy-seven, max will take flight again, when we deem it safe to do, so we can't be held to a time line on that Boeing has yet to submit it software upgrade for FAA approval once submitted it could take months and once the FAA approves a plane to fly in the US European Canadian and Chinese regulators have said they will want to do their own reviews of the plane, and like stone, ABC news. The meeting coming just ahead of the busy Memorial Day travel weekend decline. A Hartsfield Jackson international airport general manager. John Selden tells me he expects a near record number of passengers this weekend. We're expecting our heaviest traffic day of the year. Same is true of most US airports. And that means a lot of stress at the security checkpoints. A lot of business professionals call this amateur hour because people who don't fly often often fly on Memorial Day, if you flying this weekend. Selden says, check your airports website for TSA wait times, and which security checkpoint. Has the shortest lines. Pete combs, ABC news. Atlanta. And this week government forecasters released their outlook for the twenty nineteen Atlantic hurricane season. It's names like Michael and Florence Isaac and Helene last year storm season did fifty billion dollars damage and acting no administrator. Dr Neil Jacobs, says this year is likely to look very similar with nine to fifteen named storms, four to eight will become hurricanes and two to four major hurricanes reaching category. Three four or five he's urging coastal residents to put together survival kits now. And to check their insurance policies to make sure they're covered in the event that disaster strikes, Jim Ryan, ABC news. Coming up. Fillet. ABC brings back. Classic TV with a modern cast when world news this week continues. Get cashback for shopping, you were already going to do racket in is a free member base. 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All in the family and the jeffersons defined family television for a generation in the nineteen seventies and eighties this week. ABC recast to plastic episodes of each series with new actors and some originals in a live TV special. Here's ABC's TJ homes. No way. The night started the same way it did Forty-six years ago. But this time. Man new voices were hitting those famous notes. The live reenactment of all in the family and the jeffersons broad classic thought provoking television to a new audience with Woody Harrelson starring as the big blue collar patriarch. Archie bunker, people have arrived this year. Leading to me, and Jamie Foxx, slipping into the shoes of George Jefferson with some trademark swagger. So all alcoholic all is live. And if you needed proof that the show was live everyone sit at home. Just think TV just messed up after a mistake he made at the audience and the cast ragging up. Reenact offered a few surprises, including Jennifer Hudson, belting out a special edition of that other famous theme song. The broadcast quickly became one of the top trend on Twitter getting the whole country talking and some noting. How relevant the themes of the programs still are today. Others at home longed for the original cast, we. And this unexpected show stopper. The agency sent me original series store Marla Gibbs returning as Florence after nearly four decades. And you've got one in this building to. Yes. That's right. Well, how can we overcame? Nobody joe. Even wild cast mate bear Holtz who played meathead. Enter that have the wall shape, she's alleging Carrie Washington will Ferrell as TD's famous interracial couple Helen and Tom Willis. The episodes, stay true to the originals except for two lines he'd be you. They censored the inward. Worst bites. You never called me. It hasn't crossed my mind. Something that wasn't done back in the seventies, but actress Carrie Washington prowled by the decision to even include the word at all struggled a lot with how we were going to deal with that for saying it, but we're bleeping it, and I feel like that's a really beautiful kind of middle ground honor, the truth and and not shy away from it. But also do it. Responsibly conic shows of the seventies addressing difficult issues that remain today. Oh still making. And those are the people in events that made world news this week world news this week was written and produced by Chris Howell. I'm Daria Albinger, ABC news. New york. When breaking news changes the world, ABC news, accurate, credible and unmatched on Twitter at ABC News Radio. This is Dr Jennifer, Ashton chief medical correspondent for ABC news. My husband twenty one years, and the father of my children, died by suicide. 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"Support for this podcast and the following message come from Google from Connecticut to California from Mississippi to Minnesota millions of businesses are using Google tools to grow online. Learn how Google is supporting businesses in your state at Google dot com slash economic impact. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Shay Stevens areas from Oklahoma to central Illinois. A reeling from another round of severe thunderstorms last night in hard hit, southwest Missouri. A suspected tornado is blamed for at least three deaths in the town of golden city. They are reports of storm related injuries, but no fatalities in Jefferson City. We're police Lieutenant David Williams says there is widespread damage everything from. The brief from a rooftop into the streets of rooted trees, and we've had damaged vehicles roofs of businesses. There are several businesses on our south side that, are we trying to assess how much damage to the buildings? But at this point, it's too early to say how large scale of damage it would be tornadoes. Also struck near Joplin Missouri last night at eight years to the day that a twister killed one hundred sixty one people there, the amount of rainfall, and Oklahoma, so far, this month is more than double the amount. It usually gets in may Rachel Hubbard of member station. K O, S U reports that most of that rain fell this week causing widespread flooding officials have urged residents in at least four communities and rural areas in the eastern part of the state to evacuate because of the flooding forecast for the Arkansas. River water from Monday's record rainfall is rushing into the river, that's already full because of exceptionally rainy spring season. And in Tulsa, a river front hotel, and casino, that was designed to withstand a five hundred year flood has been evacue. Waited. The floods are affecting wide swaths of Oklahoma with homes on the banks of the Cimarron river being swept away and a dam in Oklahoma. City showing potential for collapse. More thunderstorms possible through the end of the week for NPR news. I'm Rachel Hubbard in Oklahoma City, John Walker Lindh, the California man, also known as the American Taliban is scheduled to be released today after serving seventeen years in prison. NPR's Greg, my root reports it Lindh's case is once again stirring controversy. John Walker Lindh grew up Catholic in a comfortable suburb of San Francisco, but at age twenty and shortly before the two thousand one Al Qaeda tax, the Muslim convert became a soldier for the Taliban in Afghanistan. His capture less than three months after the nine eleven attacks made him a focal point of anger in the US. He was sentenced to twenty years, but is scheduled for release from a federal prison in Indiana three years early for good behavior. His family says he never fought against American. And never intended to while critics say they believe his sentence was too lenient a judge rule that Lynn must be closely monitored while on probation and won't be allowed to travel. Greg, Mary NPR news, Washington. The office of refugee resettlement. Now says that six migrant children have died since being apprehended at the southwest border. The agency says a ten year old girl with a history of heart problems died of flu and respiratory distress. Last September five other migrant children have died in government care since December. This is NPR news. The UN general assembly is urging Britain to give up control at the chain goes archipelago in the Indian Ocean and return, the islands to were riches details from Linda Fasulo in a nonbinding resolution, the UN general assembly calls on Britain to terminate with the assembly characterizes, as London's colonial administration of the Chico's cappella, co which was part of territory, Britain has controlled since eighteen fourteen the general assembly measure, endorses and advisory. Opinion issued in February by the UN's international court of Justice that Britain had unlawfully carved up Marissa's in nineteen sixty five and calling for the archipelago to be relinquished both the US and Britain have rejected the UN decisions to general assembly vote was one hundred sixteen in favour six against including the US and Britain fifty-six countries abstained including France, Germany, and Canada for NPR news. And Linda fassulo a redesign twenty dollar Bill, replacing a picture of former president. Andrew Jackson with an image of escape slave, and abolitionist. Harriet Tubman is being delayed, Tubman minutes was to be on the front of the Bill and Jackson's on the back starting next year. But Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says he's focusing instead on ways to prevent counterfeiting. President Trump is not a fan of pudding, Tubman face on the twenty dollar Bill calling it an example of pure political correctness. Trump is a fan of Jackson, who's been criticized for owning slaves and mistreating native Americans on stock markets in Asia shares closed lower following a down day on Wall Street. I'm Shay Stevens NPR news in Washington.
"I Don't Do Cover-ups."
"It's Thursday may twenty third and this meeting never had a chance we start here. The president of the United States is engaged in a cover up Nancy Pelosi, sidesteps, our colleagues and sports a circus instead, cover-ups what was in this for all the politicians involved and where it leaves the rest of us. He thought the aircraft carrier was a message will now more troops are heading to Iran between five to ten thousand additional forces, boy, our military footprint is growing not shrinking in the Middle East. And what do you do with the former terrorist when he might still believe in terrorism? Don't turn him loose. If there's reports out here that he's not being the model over the child. So he is don't look now. The man they called the American Taliban is done serving his time. From ABC news. This is start here. Brad milkey. Remember a month ago there was all this pressure on President Trump? The Justice department had just released the Muller report. Everyone's arguing over whether President Trump obstructing Justice and in the middle of all, that Trump has this meeting with his democratic rivals, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi to talk about infrastructure and it goes fine. We just had a very productive meeting with the president of the United States smash cut to yesterday. There's another infrastructure meeting scheduled. But this time all the pressure is on Nancy Pelosi and all week we've been telling me that the White House is just not honoring congressional subpoenas. They're saying no Democrats are getting sick of it, and increasingly members are asking Pelosi demanding of her to start the impeachment process. This meeting ended up being a flash point. We've got our powerhouse politics team, ABC's, chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl. ABC senior congressional correspondent, Mary, Bruce and Mary the spotlight really started on Pelosi and the day started with Nancy Pelosi here on the hill. Huddling behind closed doors with all of the. House Democrats trying, essentially to get all of these members on board to get everyone back in line. Were you able to get your members on board on impeachment? Stop this bleed. Members are fine. You will some something that is really not happy in our cold on your way out. She happened to just stop by the cameras and take a direct shot at President Trump. We believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the United States. And we believe that the president of the United States is engaged in a cover up that was a clear jab at the president and one that she likely knew was going to get under his skin. And so with that she then heads off for this meeting on infrastructure, which was bound to then be a little more than awkward. Yes. So Jonathan Karl. Pick it up from there, she in Chuck Schumer and some Democrats show up at the White House. What happens will well that's going on the president's meeting with his senior advisors. He sees that the Democrats have had this meeting talking about impeachment. He sees Pelosi's quote, and I'm told it just infuriates him. And he says, well, what am I going to do now because I can't just sit down and without an and one of his one of his advisors said to me, one of senior aide. And the White House said this would be like a co worker, choosing you of, of committing a crime and then turning around and saying, hey, you wanna get coffee. So how do you how do you gonna plus point deck? Yeah. You know, suddenly he is essentially accusing the president of an of an impeachable crime, and they're gonna come into down and talk about infrastructure, the presence of there was no way to do it to watch what happens in the White House, would make your jaw drop. So Pelosi in Schumer arrive at the White House. There are scored it into their own to meet with the president. The president when he shows up doesn't even go over to take his seat at the center of the table Kane into the room and said that I said that he was engaged in a cover up and it couldn't possibly couldn't possibly engage in a conversation or an infrastructure as long as as long as we are investigating him. He goes off in March his right from there, right from the cabinet room to the rose garden. Now, one interesting detail in this, the cabinet room, which looks right? Out into the rose garden has windows you can see to the rose garden, but they had drawn the shades so that the, the Democrats couldn't see that in the in the rose garden, they were already setting up for a for a press statement. I walk into look at people that are just said that I was doing a cover up. I don't do cover ups, and he gives this statement, you probably can't go. Down two tracks. You can go down the investigation track, and you can go down the investment track, or the track of let's get things done for the American people. I love the American people. Several of his aides are watching off from the colonnade, and I have to say they didn't look exactly thrilled. In fact, we're told that at least the least some of the president's aides did not think that this was a good idea. So he was angry. I mean, Democrats said he was having a temper tantrum, but I mean Mary, why is all this so significant Republican president, it's complaining about Democratic Congress? Like that's not groundbreaking right? Well, what's groundbreaking is the, the they were supposed to be talking about something that they could agree on. Right. In theory infrastructure is the one thing that everyone always talks about. Oh, there's bipartisan potential rate, we've had how many countless infrastructure weeks, at the White House, and the president yesterday closed the door on all of that. We're going to get everything done. We're doing a lot without them. Let them play the games. We're going to go down one track at a time. Let them finish up. And we'll be all set. Thank you. Everybody has said he's not going to work with Democrats on infrastructure or any other issue so long as they are continuing to investigate him and brothers is completely unsustainable. The, the, the, the president has major big ticket items that he has to deal with Democrats on. He wants to get his Mexico Canada of free trade agreement ratified, they've got to deal with, with the basic mechanics of funding the government, the debt, ceiling to prevent default, the idea that, that he's going to sit back and not deal with congress, unless they stop investigating. I mean, they're not gonna stop investigating and he's going to have to deal with them. Hello there investigations going on three weeks ago when we met and he still met with us. But now that he was forced to actually say how he'd pay for it. He had to run away. So that leads me to the question, even if no laws are getting past did both politicians get something out of this, because Trump had said he was on board with an infrastructure Bill, but it's team is acting concerned about how you'd actually pay for it will. Now, guess what? It goes away. Meanwhile Pelosi's being seen as too conciliatory did. She intentionally put this cover up thing out there. Are you suggesting the Nancy Pelosi might be trying to go the presidency a fight? She has done this before, and it certainly I would not be surprised if this was intentional Nancy Pelosi going out there taunting, the president to try and change the conversation and he's engaged in a cover up and that could be an impeachable. Condition isn't going away. Nancy Pelosi is in a very difficult position on the one hand she's accusing the president of a cover up. She has said that she thinks we're in a constitutional crisis. Well, if that's true, why then issue, not moving to impeach. And now the beat kinda goes on the DOJ, apparently offering some compromises on what subpoenaed material, they'll give to congress and judges ruled that Democrats should be able to get some Bank documents that they've asked for Mary, Bruce giancarl. Thank you both. Thanks. Brad. Next up on start here, the president wants troops out of the Middle East. So is the Pentagon asking for thousands more. Capital. One is building a better Bank. One that feels an axe nothing like a typical Bank. It's why the reimagining banking and building something completely different Capital, One cafe. They offer accounts with no fees are minimums, they also offer one of the best savings rates in America, and you can open a Capital, One account from anywhere in five minutes. Capital One, this is banking. Reimagined open an account today. Inexperienced banking reimagined for yourself Capital One. 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That is more than what we have any rock and Syria combined. And even if these militaries have no intention of starting a war could something unintentional change. All that ABC's Louis Martinez is at the Pentagon, and so Louis, what is the plan here for for these troops? We'll have what we know is that you essential command is requesting additional defensive capabilities to deter Ron. We know that one additional patriot. Anti-missile battery has already been sent to the region to determine maybe this is a request for more. But either way, the defensive capabilities whatever's approved by the White House could result in between five to ten thousand additional forces being headed there that they could be land forces to man those patriot missile batteries could be sailors on ships to counter whatever maritime threat there. Is from Iran, but some five to ten thousand that's a lot of people how big of an escalation is that well on the face. It sounds like a significant number. But when you got to recall, there, sixty to eighty thousand American troops in the Middle East, that's fourteen thousand enough ghanistan the seven thousand in Iraq and Syria. So I it's you look at the number they what is approved. It's definitely an additional capability, but is it really going to add that much? Well, it all depends on how Iran reads it. So, so what is next for these countries, then, like, what is the US seeing? And you know what is he Ron seeing from the US? So the US has seen some pullback from the Iranian threats that were called out those, those missile quipped douse of they've been pulled back, but they're still a threat in the area. And I think you essential command perceives that it's going to be an ongoing threat. And so they want to essentially say, hey, we're going to call that bluff, and we're gonna continue to send more forces, but the big risk is how Iran interprets any US posture moves because ultimately, there's the risk of miscalculation. If the United States sends up to ten thousand more troops to the region. How could you respond? Maybe they're going to try to shut off the street, a hormone that would be a serious esscalation, and that could result in an even bigger US response. If they just see this as an incremental move, potentially, they'll respond with a similar incremental move of additional ships in their areas of the Gulf. But otherwise, it all depends on how they're gonna reap is an regardless of how this plays out from now you've got a president in the White House who had wanted to have fewer troops in the Middle East. Not more. We will see how that plays out Louis Martinez at the Pentagon. Thanks so much. Thanks friend. So that's our Middle East stance right now. We'll think about how old you think about what your life was like all the way back in the months. Following September eleventh within a month. Remember the US had begun bombing Afghanistan. We had troops there for the first time ever within two months. More than a thousand people had been arrested and put in the custody. Does a lot of people only one of them though was known as the American Taliban. He's the young American found among captured Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan Walker admitted he was part of a Taliban militia directly paid for by Osama bin Laden today, seventeen years later. John Walker Lindh is being released from a federal prison in Indiana. It's stirring up all sorts of controversy, ABC's, David Wright is with us and David you were in Afghanistan when this all went down. What has happened between then and now well, a lot has happened between then. And now this was a big moment in the war in Afghanistan. John Walker Lynn was the first American to. Detained as a sympathizer with the Taliban, and he was associated with the death of the first American killed in combat. A guy named Mike Spann who was a CIA officer American special forces troops rode on horseback into mazaar-i-sharif this city that was held by the Taliban, and they took it back and Taliban prisoners were kept in this nineteenth century fortress called Kelly junkie, and it was there that Mike Spann, the CIA officer questioned John Walker Lynn recognizing that he was a westerner did they know he was American? They didn't know they thought at first he might be Irish because Walker didn't speak to him. But moments after that encounter. There was an uprising at the prison and witnesses say that Mike Spann died like Rambo firing a machine gun into the crowd of Taliban militants who attacked him and killed him. He was the first American to die in the war in Afghanistan, the right 'cause is exactly what I thought. So at this point, John Walker land is questioned. It's determined that he is an American. He was taken into custody. Brought to Camp Rhino, where I was at that moment. And in one corner of in a corner of it that we were barred from going near, there was a shipping container and in that shipping, container was John Walker. Lynn walker. Apparently believed. It was his obligation to jihad or holy war. He ultimately was brought to the United States because he's an American citizen. He was tried in Alexandria, Virginia. Not far from the Pentagon. Some Justice department attorneys are now recommending the. Walker be charged with providing material support to terrorists that could bring fifteen years to life in prison. And he got a twenty year prison sentence. It's now seventeen years later. He's finally getting out of prison, and that's now a source of controversy. Well, this is the thing, right? Usually someone pays their debt to society. You let them go help. They turn their life around. But if you're talking about someone who met, Osama bin Laden before nine eleven who is trained to this camps, who said he was tortured by Americans, this plea deal came after he made those claims it seems like it would matter if he still wants to kill Americans, according to his father, he was caught up in something he naively subscribed to as a teenager and is not a threat to anybody. But the family of Mike Spann for one have been advocating that he still is a militant that we can't trust what he's going to what he's going to do or who he might be in contact with or the kind of celebrity that he might become two militants who would wish to do us harm. Don't turn him loose. If there's reports out here that he's not being the model prisoner that, also he is basically, he's got some pretty strict restrictions on him. He's gonna have to be continually monitored by the probation office on the internet. He can only communicate in English. He speaks Arabic as well, and he cannot espouse extremist views online. So this guy has been sitting in prison for seventeen years and surrounded by folks, who also may be quite embittered, and it's all together possible that he remains a radical or maybe has even become more radicalized in prison. And that's what some former corrections officers, tell ABC news. They say that prison radicalization is a fairly common thing, how much more so perhaps, when the stakes are this high. Miss actually, kind of a test case because there are now lots of Americans who have been convicted of terror charges. A lot of them will get out of eventually in experts don't know how they reintegrate and it's worth noting as this time has passed. You've had a lot of non-americans who have still not received a trial at all in Guantanamo Bay David Wright, right there. NF ghanistan, as this unfolded ledger. With us now. Thanks, bro. This is a big day for elections around the world in India right now a country. So big that national elections, take a month. They revealing who will lead the most populous country on earth. Meanwhile, North of their elections for the European parliament are underway as we speak, but regardless of how those turn out the most disturbing election results. This week have been taking place in Indonesia. As much results came out factions began coming into the streets, people threw rocks. They started fires. They started engaging with police. As of this morning, at least six people are dead. And this could get worse. ABC's Jill McFarland has lived and worked in Indonesia. She joins us from London now in so Julia what happened how did this get so ugly? So earlier in the week, the incumbent, president Joko Widodo was announced as the winner against his rival who is a former military, ex special forces man called pro SU Bianco. He has disputed the results of this election. He is the son-in-law of the infamous dictator President Suharto widely known as one of the most corrupt leaders in modern history. His son in law, he's a firebrand to he likes Harto is a military man, and a political firebrand. But as night fell on Tuesday and on Wednesday morning. Things turned violent. As you say, around six people so far believe to died, two hundred people injured. It'd be still being treated right now. And Juliette swing our focus a little bit. You guys are about to see European parliamentary elections today. Certainly no violent expected or anything like that. But you do have this dynamic of far-right parties, surging in a power in what are thought of as liberal countries, what are people keeping an eye on in Europe. So this is a really, really interesting time to what European elections in Austria. The government is basically, collapsing because a politician, the vice chancellor, in fact, has been implicated in a corruption scandal involving Russian oligarch in Italy, you're seeing of populist anti-immigrant party on the rise. You'll seeing the same in Spain with the books, potty, this is still a reaction and still a hangover from the recent years from around two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen when we saw those huge numbers of migrants Mirko faces demands from within. On conservative, blog turn back some migrants at Germany's borders. And we are seeing the ramifications of that, with the emergence on increasing prominence of these populist, anti-immigrant parties, your country, the UK, a new party that did not exist on ago, led by Nigel Farage, we will see if Hugh. Successes could be the downfall of Theresa May. Julia McFarland in London. Thank you. Thanks. Two. Lasting. There's this whole community of scientists who find sunken ships. They're called marine archaeologists. That's a thing underwater, archaeology underwater. Archaeologists indeed thing. But last night, our partners at National Geographic announced, a wild discovery meet Fred Hebron. I'm the archaeologist and residence said, the National Geographic Society he and a team has been working with in Alabama, say they've uncovered America's last slave ship. This is the last historically documented one, which had been hidden and lost one hundred fifty years. The ship was called the clo- Tilda and even by the standards of eighteen sixty this was considered our Barrick seat. Will slavery was still in effect, the idea of shipping over enslaved people from Africa will that had been outlawed for decades. So it was a matter of snaking, these people into the country and what we know now is after a fifty four day journey with one hundred ten people on board. These plantation owners got scared. They offloaded everyone in the middle of the night and. They scuttled the ship scuttled means that they stripped, it of all identification burned it down to its hall, and its hall saying in the mud and they still sold these people into slavery. So you might think who wants to literally dredge up these memories will turns out the descendants of the very people who were on that ship, because when they were emancipated thirty five of them got together their earnings from working plantations and bought land outside of mobile. They created a new home. They literally called it Africa town sort of a semi autonomous community and all the while they knew the ship that had brought them to this country was just around a river bent. So one hundred fifty years later, their descendants, along with the Alabama, Stoorikhel society commissioned. A full scientific study of this part of the river and enter this morning, the whole of the quote Tilda that ship that the plantation owners hoped would never be found. What belongs to everyone in mobile? Alabama. Credible project from our friends at NAT GO can start here tomorrow hit subscribe if you haven't done it already worn. All these stories at ABC news dot com or the news app. Brad milkey tomorrow.
John Wray: Godsend
"KCRW? Sponsors include focus features, presenting black klansman, G Q hails. Black klansman is the movie of the year nominated for three sag awards, including outstanding ensemble cast in a motion picture and four critics choice awards including best picture of the year. Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan foundation. From KCRW and KCRW dot com. I'm Michael sulfur. But this is and today, my guest is John Ray, his new novel is God send and it's published by Farris drowsiness Rupe? It takes as its inspiration. The story of John Walker Lindh who got known at least in the press as the American Taliban, but this is a stranger, and I think even more interesting story 'cause it's the story of the young woman. She's around eighteen and she is interested. In islam. Her father is a professor of his lung studies. He was formerly at Berkeley. And and ended up in a community college in northern California. The father has left her mother. Her name is Aiden grace Sawyer, and she seems to feel that as a professor of Islam. He has next to no relationship to a passionate understanding. He takes her one day to a small Mosk. And is rather contemptuous of the way. The prayer is conducted there instead secretly she attends daily for a month and becomes fascinated by the Koran and by the practices. She witnesses there, and she makes a friend who is he's an American kid of Pakistani descent, his family are from Pakistan, and he's also interested in his Lomb. But almost in a more casual way in some ways, he's more of a typical American teenager than Aiden Sawyer and. He's the first indication we have that Aden is quite beautiful, and he's more or less in teenage love, which no matter what it does is going to be called puppy law. He loves her. He does. And he's going to go to the mid east with her to study at a madrassa. Yes. Madressa which is a school where the Koran is studying with the aim to memorizing each and every seora to having it as they often say written on the heart. That's correct. In fact, in most of them addresses in Pakistan, Afghanistan, nothing else is ever studied. Essentially, no book other than a supplementary book called the hardy is ever opened in these schools, and the course of study consists entirely of reciting the Koran essentially from morning 'til evening with the aim of learning it by heart with the aim of memorizing every word and looming though in the background of getting their passports of making their way is the possibility that they will leave the Madressa to be trained and fight at the border. They both deny to one another that this is their intention and yet. It is where they both wind up. That's true. Now, how was it possible? Flea you to know enough to write their story. Well, that's the question. I think that one asks oneself at the beginning of every novel. I mean, there are writers who enjoy writing about the their own direct experiences and are able to transmute those experiences into the most extraordinary literature. I've never been one of those writers I feel most free and and really most able to write. Well, if I'm writing about things that are pretty far removed from my own life. So it was a very daunting task the novel came in part out of an extended visit an extended trip that I took to have ghanistan into Pakistan. But really all the experiences that I had there and all of the aspects of the culture in the land. Guage in the food and the climate that I soaked up while I was there only served to underscore for me, how far removed that place was from what I ever you know, what I experienced growing up. So it was pretty daunting. And you were sent there as a journalist. I was. Yeah. I was working for Esquire magazine on a piece there was a stencil going to be about a particular warlord who'd been a member of the so called Northern Alliance when the US went to war with the Taliban named Dostam DOS t u m who was a rather wild and pretty terrifying character, but I wasn't able to reach the people that I needed to interview him because the situation in Afghanistan at that point four years ago was already pretty pretty grim. So I was unable to get to the places in the people that I needed to get to and so. What we say is not only inaudible Gatien too. Invent an understand people making their way over to the Taliban in this case in particular. It's a young woman. That's right. And this is a story we may know occasionally from Shakespeare, the crossdressing that appears they're the closest thing in relatively speaking contemporary, literature is Isaac singer's gentle, he know this woman, of course, would not be taken into school to learn the Koran and so she tapes her breasts with an at me bandage, she Concer hair she practices for a month before leaving this is happening in the summer. Before the bombing of the World Trade Center. Yes, that's right right before nine eleven to what extent is belief important to you. When the reader is reading this book does the reader need to believe she's getting away with her imposture of being a man aboard. Well, I think what what is important in reading the book, and what was something that I was very consciously trying to to control and to steer was this sense that eight and ease for a certain period in the book getting away with her deception. But what was important really was that she was almost getting caught essentially constantly she's hovering always right on the threshold of discovery. Which would of course, prove extremely dangerous to her enter decker her friend, everyone knows. And no one knows that's resigned, teeny Asli, they're all an eskimo her questions. Like, are you a dancing boy, the equivalent of you homosexual, you a man who gives pleasure to men who sees that? As his life's on her, right? The. Only person who actually sees is a child and she improvises a lie. That's that that her penis was caught off this happens at military training camp later in the novel. And she's she's very fortunate. That child is young enough to not have a clear understanding of the physical differences between men and women. I'm talking to John Ray about his novel godsend now. There are many possible suggestions about the title. But really one of the most seductive of men who is taking boys from the Madressa and bringing them to the mount where the trainings occurring is a man who in fact, calls her a godsend because she is so serious about her religious vision. So she's his guts, and that's right. Yeah. He's a he's the son of the man who's running the the Madrid essentially the head of the school, but he's also working as a recruiter for the Taliban across the border and Afghantistan looking for young young, boys. Young men who are are essentially still innocent enough to be swept up in the romance of the idea of taking up weapons in defense defensive their religion. And. Four aiden. It's her desire innocent or not because she has had sex with her friend decker. But it is her desire the fine to place in the world. Where belief is central crucial enough to determine behavior. She wants to be in a place that's pure, and this hunger for purity has at least something to do with her father's leaving her mother her alcoholic mother for relationships with other women on the faculty this I think for the daughter of the man who's introduced her to the Koran is inconceivable terrible betrayal on every level spiritual sexual personal. I think for for Aden as for many many teenagers, certainly for me when I was that age hypocrisy really seems the greatest possible sin and her father. Other in her estimated has revealed himself to be a fraud in a hypocrite in many many ways and in part the appeal of a country like Taliban controlled Afghanistan, which in two thousand before nine eleven was not so well known to any of us in terms of the specifics of the regime to Aden, Afghanistan has this tremendous appeal because it's a place of simplicity and place of honesty, at least. So she believes and she is eager to meet people who are doing battle not because they are men who enjoy battle. But to meet people who are doing battle to protect their beliefs. That has the possibility in the world of people who live by the principals of the core. People who aren't hypocrites, essentially and. For much of the book. I was very grateful for this. By the way, what she hears is interpolated with sections of the Koran which have to do with what she's hearing. So she's quoting internally by heart from the book. She has studied that is helping her understand what's going on around her. And for those of us. You know, I've said for years that in no to live today in the United States. Even if you read it in the way, we read the bible as literature in college buses that one must read the Koran that one has to know what this book is telling us, and it's no accident that. We hear in the Koran about Saul and Goliath. A good deal of the Koran is drawn from other testaments. They choose a religious name she chooses the name Sulaiman, which is from Solomon. That's right. The wisest of the kings when Israel has moved from the desert to Palestine like John Walker Lindh. She's not an anti-american. She is a purist. And not just a purist. But she's graduating from teenage rebellion to sincerity from what she took to be hypocrisy to attest of her own sincerity. This is a book that is a coming of age novel for young woman who has had an alcoholic mother and the deceitful father and is in search for a life without deceit. Now does that sound like many young people, we know at absolutely does. And you asked me at the beginning of our conversation. How daunted it I was perhaps at choosing? This this subject matter. And of course, my answer was very much, so, but the way I anchored myself and the way I found my way. Through the writing of this novel was to remember that this is a book about an eighteen year old. And I decided from the very beginning that it was going to be first and foremost a believable credible. Eighteen year old who had many of the same concerns and fears and hopes and ambitions as as I did when I was eighteen years old, for example. You know, she's she's old enough to recognize how how rotten and to face the adult world is. But she's too young to understand that that's something that one has to navigate as one ages. I'm Michael silver blunt. And you're listening to bookworm from the studios of KCRW. I'm talking with John Ray about his novel godsend will continue after the short break. KCRW sponsors include Amazon studios, presenting beautiful boy based on father and son memoirs that chronicle their experience of addiction relapse and recovery starring Steve Carell and Timothy Shalam who was nominated for Golden Globe, critics choice and Screen Actors Guild awards for best supporting actor awards eligible in all categories. There's an intersection between the quiet tender moments of night and the act of writing and reading poetry breathing. Something someone else's were in potentially in the middle of the night. And then you read it is look kind of aquatic transmission from one person to another. Find knocked turn or every listen to podcasts. I'm Michael silver bland, this is bookworm. And I'm talking with John Ray about his novel gone send the story of an empty and adrift California girl who is looking to be full who wants to empty her life of hypocrisy and who travels abroad to become an American town. Ben now, when we spoke, John we were talking about your novel. Oh, boy, which is about a boy who literally goes underground. That's right. He's living in the subway. He's living in the tunnels under New York City. Now this time it's a girl around his age. Who is also choosing a different underground is being a writer. After the experience of exploring the Sandra grow. For me. It is certainly from the beginning of writing gods. And I saw it as a companion novel in a way to to low. Boy, I've always been fascinated by people who commit far more than I I suppose most of us might to a very subjective view of the world and to a very passionate and often very private fantasy that guides their their course through sort of I guess what we might refer to as consensus reality. And I've always thought that something that the novel's especially well suited to do to address all the many layers in the extremes of human subject tippety. So I guess that is something that my characters tend to have in common. Well, seems to me that one of things that the novel CANDU. Is break the reader from conventional expectation, and what we learn about Aden. Grace sawyer. Is the extent to which emotion is by Valent? She is both extremely loyal to her friend with whom she travels who was formerly her boyfriend to whom she tells one day in the airport on their way to the Mideast that she will no longer have sex with them that she will no longer use. Where words what the F you talking about? Response, and she is the testing ground of this novel. The question of hell for is it possible for person to go in the direction of simultaneous types of intensity insincerity without becoming again hypocritical and contradictory. The great irony of her situation is that she has come to Islam and come to this region of the world in search of something that is not ally. But in fact, she herself is living a lie by representing herself as a young boy, the one thing she can't do is to speak the truth in the place that she's chosen to be now. Again. The novel is you ride it. Sets challenges to her ability to conceal I mean, Isaac singer is writing a fable as much of this work is Shakespeare Shakespeare's. Shakespeare fall him anywhere are the beliefs. The sets of beliefs we're required to exempt in godsend to what extent did you trust that you could bring the reader to an acceptance of these extremely difficult and improbable acts of trust. Well, I think your references. Shakespeare was was useful to me. Also when I was writing I mean. The nature of the novel in many ways is such that if you establish a certain set of parameters, and if you win the reader over to the degree that he or she would like the story to continue, and they would prefer not to question its fundamental assumptions if they're enjoying what they're doing if they're if they're along for the ride, and they want to see what happens next, then they the reader will extend you a certain amount of credit because in fact, we all like to to read narratives in which improbable events occur kiss. It was this something like the reader's thing. Please John Ray and company do not take the stream away from me. I want to Fung aid in where she will go anywhere except back home. I think so I think that was my hope my thought. Somehow or other the Taliban almost filled like an invention of this novel in order to test its heroine, it's tag nest which hero. Yeah. The most successful novels give the reader this feeling that the events of the narrative were in some way, inevitable the world. It was created in a given novel had to yield events that would play out in a certain way. Especially those events make emotional sense. If they make sense, given what we come to know about a character. Now, I have to convince I accepted all of the events of the novel until the last thirty of forty pages when so much else was happening that it didn't matter. Whether I. The events boy that last thirty or forty pages, we've got a very Vural prince charming and an eighteen year old girl who's in love with him. And he's in love with her too. And they disappear of all things into a cave while the first drone Palmer's are making their appearance on the landscape causing the whole landscape of the novel to be torn up and disrupted as they want from the cave and make law for the first John that I don't I'm not. I was saying my defense that you need to defend yourself, many people in Afghanistan spending great deal of time in caves, in fact, for until not very long ago caves were very important aspect of the social organization of the trouble regions in kenniston. When I was there. I remember driving through communities where I would see caves with lines of laundry strung outside and TV and tennis sticking out of the mouth of the cave. It's it's an unbelievable place that it in and of itself often felt improbable implausible to me when I was there. I mean, the cave in the religious traditions of all of the Middle East, including the early Christian and the Jewish traditions. The cave has a tremendous symbolic weight as a place of religious retreat and communion with the divine, and in a novel that is very much concerned with that sort of. Mysticism it. I knew that something was going to happen in a cave at some point in the book, and I will say that when doubt enters the possibility the frame of possibility for reader, the rining becomes of such a high level of intensity and danger and excitement that you barely have time to distrust, what the author is telling you now, this is what you say a successful novel. Does what are some of the other successful novels that to this? Well, I think that many of the greatest novels of William Faulkner do this. I mean, certainly preposterous things happen in light in August, for example. And really it occurred to me at some point while. L reading as I lay dying, which is my personal favourite novel, the faulkners that. It no one would actually really behaving. Exactly these ways. And that there were decisions that this family could have made very very easily to avoid many of the situations that they get themselves into and yet I wouldn't want a single word or sentence changed in as I lay dying. I want to buy fully into the dream that faulkners peddling in that case and many many of my favorite novels. Do the same. I would like to say that novels. Call porn believe, but it's a different kind of belief than belief in reality. It's belief in the novel. And if there's a novel the cools for belief in the novel, it's the novel godsend by my guest, John Ray. And thank you for joining me. Thank you so much, Mike. Oh, it's been a pleasure. As always I've been talking with John Ray, author of guns. Published by Strauss, and drew you can visit KCRW dot com slash bookworm for punt cast of today's show, which is also available at Apple's Spotify. Wherever you get your punt casts. You can also listen on demand with KCRW smartphone apps special. Thanks to my co producer assistant, Sean Sullivan. Alan Howard is associate producer the technical director today sitting in for Mario Diaz is Kat your. I'm Michael sulfur blunt. Join me again next time on bookworm. Sees. I am. We are. Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan foundation. This program is produced in the studios of KCRW. Santa Monica, you can access archives of all bookworm programs and podcasts. The most recent ones at KCRW dot com slash book for the bookworm themes were composed and performed by Ron and Russell male of sparks. I'm Michael silver Bubba. Join me again next time on bookworm when Deborah Eisenberg is our guest KCRW sponsors include focus features, presenting black klansman, G Q hails. Black klansman is the movie of the year nominated for three sag awards, including outstanding on samba cast in a motion picture and four critics choice awards including best picture of the year. This podcast was made by public radio station. 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Thursday, May 23, 2019
"From Washington DC. This is Westwood One daily news for may twenty third twenty nineteen. I'm John trout. A White House meeting with house and Senate Democrats to discuss infrastructure disintegrated in dramatic fashion yesterday correspondent Linda Kenyon has the story. A meeting had been planned for three weeks. The White House confirmed at the night before House Democrats held their weekly caucus meeting, a couple of hours before they traveled to the White House to convene that infrastructure discussion, leaving the caucus meeting where she tamped down the growing calls for impeachment post Muller report. House speaker, Nancy Pelosi said this, we do believe that it's important for the to follow the facts we believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the United States. And we believe that the president of the United States is engaged in a cover-up cover up. Those were fighting words for President Trump, he came into the room and said that I said that he was engaged in a cover up. It couldn't possibly couldn't possibly engage in a conversation or an infrastructure as long as as long as we are investigating him. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer didn't buy it. Their investigations going on three weeks ago when we met and he's still met with us. Here's what happened next. We got in the room. The curtains were closed. The president, there was a place for him at the front. So he could stand attempt to tell us why he wouldn't do infrastructure. And of course, then he went to the rose garden with plea pay prepared signs, that had been printed up long before our meeting, humor, says it's clear, the president wanted to avoid his previous commitment to unveil his plan to pay for two trillion dollar infrastructure plan. We were interested. We are interested in doing infrastructure. It's clear. The president isn't here's how serious Schumer was. I was prepared to give him a thirty five page plan detailing. This speaker below z later described the entire event as strange very, very. Very strange. And as for addressing revitalizing the nation's roads bridges and other infrastructure, Nancy Pelosi says Trump put himself before country. He just took a pass and Pelosi added the democratically controlled house will continue to carry out its oversight responsibilities wherever they might lead. I pray for the president of the United States, and I pray for the United States of America. Linda Kenyon, Washington. This is Bob Costantini at the White House. I don't do cover-ups after hearing what Nancy Pelosi said, regarding presidential cover up President Trump, abruptly cancelled a meeting with Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer to talk infrastructure. They had both arrived here we have investigations like nobody's ever had before. And there's nothing we did nothing wrong. The president's spoke at a podium adorned with signs about the molar investigation, it's costs and highlighted with no collusion obstruction. The infrastructure meeting was cancelled, but according to Mr. Trump, not before he did have some things to say to Pelosi and Schumer that you probably can't go down to. Tracks. You can go down the investigation track, and you can go down the investment track, or the track of let's get things done for the American people. If Pelosi was trying to comb her impeachment hardliners with the cover up comment. It certainly did not play that way with the president as he tells it. He ended the face to face in the cabinet room with Pelosi Schumer declaring there will be no work on things like infrastructure until the house investigations play out. You can't do it under these circumstances. So get these phony investigations of with the president said he was looking forward to a meeting. That was a follow up to three weeks ago when he committed to spend his his two trillion dollars on infrastructure, all of a sudden I hear last night. They're gonna have a meeting right before this meeting to talk about the I word the I word, I don't speak, the Russians about campaigns when I went to Wisconsin, and Michigan and Pennsylvania. I don't say, oh, let's call Russia. Maybe they, it's a hoax, Mr. Trump was bringing the democratic leaders back here to discuss way. To pay for infrastructure investments, including what might be palatable to hill. Republicans. In other words without any hint of a tax increase. Bob Costantini, the White House. The total number of lives lost won't be known until later today after a multiple tornado outbreak in the midwest. We are aware of Talibans, and Missouri. After a violent tornado overnight, the direct hit on the state capital has produced extensive power outages and widespread damage. Liz Lightman is a meteorologist with the storm prediction center tornado move through parts of Jefferson City, Missouri. Pretty extensive damage houses. The school was apparently damaged trees payroll or or down. I haven't heard anything, as far as fatalities, but it looks like the Missouri highway patrol did report multiple injuries, Missouri. Particularly hard hit yesterday late into the evening. What about Joplin? What have you heard about the tornado that may have? Through that region. I believe in golden city, we did have some fatalities circle damage in, in both locations, and it looks like a pretty, you know, extensive large tornado, there's well meteorologist, lives, Lightman, John Walker Lindh, the man known as the American Taliban is set to be released from federal prison today. Sentenced to serve twenty years for aiding the Taliban. Steve Kastenbaum reports is early released by three years is under restrictions. This is how most people remember John Walker Lindh, I haven't spoken with the native speakers of speaking on a wounded exhausted and somewhat shell-shocked twenty year old man lying on a stretcher being interviewed while his injuries were being tended to he was captured on the battlefield and Afghantistan not long after the attacks nine eleven when it was discovered that he was from the US he was quickly dubbed the American Taliban living living overseas from about. Two years. He converted to Islam when he was sixteen and went to Yemen to study Arabic. He then travelled to Pakistan to study Koran and eventually wound up in Afghanistan, but because he didn't speak any of the local languages. He was connected with Middle Eastern men from Alexandra. That's when he met, Osama bin Laden, as his bullet and shrapnel wounds were being treated Lind was then asked if he thought he was going to become a Shaheed, martyr is the goal of evidence because he was an American citizen. He was brought back to the US to stand trial. Then Attorney General John Ashcroft explained the charges in the summer of two thousand and one John Walker Lindh's swore allegiance to jihad after being told that Osama bin Laden had sent some fifty people to carry out multiple suicide operations against the United States. Lind later said he made a terrible mistake that Osama bin Laden's attacks went against Islam. But the guy. Describes him as someone who still holds extreme views, his released from federal prison. Terra Hoed, Indiana, raises questions about reintegrating terrorists into society, when the federal prison system doesn't attempt to deprogrammed extremists. He faces severe restrictions on the outside. He's barred from going online, or owning a web capable device without prior permission. If he ever owns one his online activities would be strictly, monitored Lind is also barred from traveling internationally and getting a passport. I'm Steve Kastenbaum Federal Reserve. Officials have not taken the possibility of future interest rate hikes off the table. Correspondent Jan Johnson reports the fed left a benchmark interest rate unchanged during its most recent meeting, and the minutes show, most of the policy makers are comfortable with being patient, when it comes to future decisions, a few did suggest though, that future rate hikes might still be needed to keep the economy from overheating. President Trump had expressed hope that the central Bank would. Start cutting rates to bolster growth and satisfy Wall Street, the fed minutes. However indicate there's little sentiment for that. Jan Johnson Washington. Westwood One daily news for may twenty third twenty nineteen. I'm John trout.
Ep. 459 - Navy Veteran & Author Jeffery Hess
"Is it doesn't work, just not using you're listening to sulphur lady special operations military, straight talk with the guys in the community? Safra radio on time on target. I the not for the wife of me believe that will be the last time we'll be saying this on this show. I've been saying a combination of Safra dot com on time on targets opera Brady on time on target for the last seven years of my wife cheese. And it's, you know, become a catchphrase that is kind to me, and if you're ever getting a stall jiggle, have you on as a guest, every I'm, I'm always up for that. Man, I don't know what I would talk about. But talking about something talk about, you know, your routine in the gym. I'm down. Sounds good. Some curls. We'll, we'll talk some more about kind of reflecting Eliecer me on the past seven years, because it genuinely means to me and to, to Dennis suggestion, save for the end of the shows kinda gotta start out with it. But you're right. I think it makes more sense. And we've agreed interview wind up with Jeffrey house before we get to anything of. Substance. This show is brought to you by crate club club for men by men of gear handpicked by special operations military veterans, visit crate club dot US for an exclusive promotion for our listeners of twenty percent off your subscription. This is the biggest discount we've ever made a valuable and we don't know how long we can keep this promotion wive. So go to crate club dot US use the coupon code soft rep and get twenty percent off any subscription. That's crate club dot US coupon code Safra for twenty percent off sign up now. And also mentioned once again, warmer weather in New York City. We have the windows open. You'll hear that natural sound so that doesn't sound like a soundproof studio deal with it. And the first thing I guess, I'll mention is you were on Brooke Baldwin yesterday talking about the release of the guy. Many of us know is Johnny Josh, John Walker Lindh released from prison after seventeen years of working with the terrorists. Yeah. When did see? CNN yesterday. And I was on the phone with Jim west on my way in and head. We'll how're you going on with those communists? How he he was just like we're talking about where we're going because they moved their studio used to be in Columbus circle. Now it's an Hudson yards, which is over by the Javits center and Jim's company that he works for built all that. Wow. Yeah. He does a lot of. That's what he does mainly construction. Yeah. And I went in there and I was like blown away. All it looks like blade runner like SCI fi movie, and it's crazy. Like I am here to receive my neurological implants, you know, step away from the camera, sir, so we can take picture all that kind of stuff, there's, like view screens, a lot of anime girls. And, and it's all very like slick and high tech looking, there's nothing if you're a poor person, or a regular normal guy like me, there's no way you would ever go shopping there. By the way, good thing. I had the disclaimer about the Detrick sent him the. Well, it's okay. I have been in legit soundproof studios, quote unquote in New York City, and you can still hear sound like it's almost impossible to soundproof studio in the city. Maybe like FOX or siriusxm does a good job. Yes. Serious does because they built like volts. Yeah. You know, back to what you're saying. But anyway, so it's, it's actually a really like beautiful complex built over there. And it's cool to go and look at you're not going to be spending any money unless you have a lot of it. So it's like Burberry Gucci. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like a museum of handbags you know, there's nothing I would ever be able to afford, but. Yes. Good to see Burke again. I'm seen her in a few years because the last time I was on with her. It was she was remote. She was in DC, and I was here in New York. But anyway, we were talking about John Walker. Lindh being released and he is was sentenced to twenty years. He's getting out at I think seventeen he's getting paroled out for good behavior. The problem is that the dude still is radicalized apparently. And I I was reading today. He had been corresponding with a producer at NBC news. And in twenty fourteen fifteen he was like, yeah. Isis is doing a good job there representing true Islam, the true form of Islam and this, and that he saying, I was proud to participate in the Afghan emerets g hod and play a part in that. So like this dude is not a reformed Jihadist by any means like he is still a zealot. And but I mean what do you do with this cat? I mean, if he hasn't broken any additional laws. He's serving his sentence. He's been you know, he hasn't been acting up in the joint. So you gotta let them go. But they're going to say it's not a crime to write to basically be a fan of God, but one God. And his name is it's weird though. Because at the same time, if you say things that sound radical on Facebook on social media, you know, they, they do surveillance of that type of stuff. So depends to what extent the say, I guess you could say I support this you can't say I'm going to kill people. I'm going to set off a bomb outside a courthouse and kill a bunch of civilians, that's when you start getting into. But I wonder if, if you put, like let's say a death to America type thing on Facebook, could you get a knock on the door? You can get an Akan the door. I don't think you'll get arrested for a watchlist for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That might do it. That might do it. So I mean he's supervised. He's going to have like parole officers supervise. Ising him. He cannot travel overseas. He cannot access. The internet is not allowed to like own. I guess electron devices and communicate with people. But I what I think is interesting with John Walker Lindh and also with the quantum obey detainees is like our legal system, still to this day seventeen years later just is not prepared to like process, these guys like we don't really know what to do with them. And I guess, with John Walker Lindh. We're going to have to just like have an FBI surveillance van parked outside his house, forever just in case he does something dumb, you know. And I mean, people are we letting no matter jail. It's like you kind of have to because he was subjected to due process, and, and this was his sentence. And I mean, yeah, I would prefer that he kept in prison because I don't think he's a good person. But I mean the laws law. I mean, I would understand both arguments, but yeah, you gotta go with you. You can't really go against the legal system. Something like that. I wonder if he was in any way capable of radicalizing, anyone while he was in prison. That's a good question. Wasn't he like a supermax? I don't know. In indiana. I don't know about how he probably had limited interaction with other prisoners. There would probably worry about that. That I mean that goes back to a debate they've had about if they close one, Tana, what district prison, would they put these people in because they do worry about that. Same type of being a problem and the issue with these people get is like, you know, sometimes they're not like hardcore radicals when they go in. But if you've been locked up for like eight years without a trial. You'll come on by the time you get out, you know, I, I mean I just know from following in the years of the whole debate on Guantanamo. It's been a very favorable thing, especially among the Democrats to close down Tano, but whenever they of the debate then of which district, or we're gonna send these prisoners to no one wants them. Understandably. They were going to I mean, I remember when Obama was making moves to do that. And they were going to put them down here Manhattan courthouse. I remember that and it got shut down. I did see by. The way some, of course, memes going around one, I won't say, who it is a former writer for the site put up a me of US patriots being jailed, referring to Eddie Gallagher. And, you know, traders being released from prison and it shows John Walker Lindh's it's just pure populist appeal like this is how I feel. This is how the world should be ordered. And not it is not watered, and it doesn't make sense like that is bad. Yeah. As having a conversation with somebody similar today that, you know, it's just pure populism like it's kind of, like down homey. Aww shucks kind of commonsense logic. I could see Trump saying something of that nature. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Any other thoughts on it? I'm just curious as to know. I mean the only other thing I mean, I would point out is we arrested we captured, you know, John Lind in. You know, the opening days of the war, and Afghantistan, and at that time, nobody nobody thought we'd still be an Afghanstan seventeen years later. And here this, this dude served prison sentences getting out of jail, and we're still an Afghan. Stan still fighting the same fucking war. Like literally fighting the same war like we have not made any progress. There didn't say. All right. Well with that unless you have anything else we have Jeffrey s coming on. You know what else we can mention we got a minute. Yeah. We do. So sidebar sidebar. We had a previous episode where we interviewed Tom king. If you remember that former CIA officer who got out and has been writing for DC DC, comics effort. Yeah, man. And I'm going to I'm going to give some more real talk here. Some real talk. Tom did awesome job. I think the first like fifteen twenty issues of Batman like amazing like this dude is gonna rock it like right through he was scheduled to do one hundred comic books. One hundred Batman comics, like this is awesome. These the right guy. Right. So he played up for fifty issues. Batman, getting married to cat woman, and then that, like, she's she stands up, and it's totally anti-climactic it pissed off a lot of readers, then after that Batman is sad for, like fifteen twenty comic books is the same issue. You had. With the punisher TVs here just being sad. Just being beta. Right. And like that man is not a beta male like he's sad and gloomy and stuff. But like he he's, he's not like not like I'm feeling sorry for myself. So like fifteen twenty comics of Batman, feeling sad, and then the next like eight comics is he's trapped in a dream, and like probably like three or four weeks ago, I just dropped it stopped stopped buying comics. Like I'm so this is a guy you like yeah. Yeah. He started off so strong, and I was just so disappointed, I just I was bummed out myself like these comics have become unreadable and like, I'm sorry, Thom like you did some great, great comics, that I loved. He did some cool miniseries stuff. He did. He did this swamp thing special. That was super cool. He's a talented writer, but like something came off the rails with Batman. I don't know what it was. I curious to know if it was all his decision because some people higher up that say you gotta do this. You gotta peel Email. I'm sure that plays into it. But I really don't know. So the news that broke yesterday is Tom king is being removed from Batman. Well, I mean it does suck because he's a good good dude eighty he was scheduled to do eighty five issues and Hussein like the last fifteen issues are going to be the big reveal it's gonna change Batman forever. Well, apparently someone at DC didn't like where he was going with it because the removing him at issue, eighty five do we know where he's going on from there or he still has a contract with DC to write comic books. So he's probably just going to work on other series, and I'll continue following his work, and I'm more than happy to read it. I think he's good guy talented writer with the partner he works with sometimes artists Mitch Gerard's who we also got on the show mitch's incredible artists, and I would be excited to see them work together. I'll take a look at whatever they work on. You know, but yeah, something went really south with Batman. I don't really know why he went in that direction. But. Is it was by the end of it? When I stopped reading the comics like a few weeks ago is like these are just unreadable. I can't read it. I can't even do it if we're covering some entertainment news before we get to Jeffrey since we have few minutes, I did see the new Terminator trailer. I dunno if either you guys, too. I. No, no. You're thinking transformers, the new Terminator. He's that's right. Eric connor. Yeah. He was in transformers now. He's doing another Michael bay film. It's not transformers but no Arnold is back. Linda Hamilton is back. And it looks pretty cool. I mean I'm a huge fan of the series. But there's nothing about this trailer. That's like mind blowing. But I mean, I'm going to see it regardless, what's the what's the pot of it takes place after the apocalypse little thing is yet supposed to continue right after Terminator two. So we're going to pretend that these other movies didn't happen and James Cameron is attached to this one, as well, not as the director as the writer. So he's back. And, you know, I think people feel like three and these others role, wack wa- Stor. So we're gonna we're gonna pretend they didn't happen. And we're gonna go right from there was like that movie was like, Terminator Genesis. Yes. And then the other thing is I don't know if either you guys have been following. I, I spoke to you about it when it was season one but Cobra KAI season too. I absolutely have been loving. I've still not finished with it. Have you watched the dentist? I have not, but okay off macho is the man, Bill Zab coz in it, right. Yeah. I, I love just the nostalgia of it, and how like unpack which is surprising. That's only thing in Hollywood now. Like what's old is new again. So there's like everything is over the top PC MRs like this is the opposite of that. I'm really, really liking season two. But like I said, I still finished it. But at school, I know you haven't watched what's, what's on PC about it. I mean they just take shots at all different types of things in that the character played by who am I thinking of the Cobra KAI guy. I don't remember as Williams zap because the actor. I forgot his name. He just plays this old school guy who who's not afraid to be like this pussy shit. This is, you know Clint Eastwood like yelling at the kids get off his lawn. Yeah. But he's but at the same time he's a likable character they don't make him like like this guy who's behind the times. But in a way they do. I don't know you'd have to watch it, but it definitely goes against the whole PC thing of today, even seen comments from viewers on the videos of what I like about this series, it, it's not PC. It's not afraid to go against. Yeah. That's what I liked about grandchildren owes that. It's not at all. It kind of tells at the same time this story of this old white man, like forming a relationship with these immigrants next door and, you know how they form this friendship, but also it's real to the same the same thing, and that it's really diverse cashed of kids, and he says shit that you're not. Team. You know, he also forms like a great relationship with these kids and stop. It also plays into the whole like stolen valor thing at one point because of his sense, they was coming back, and he like, inflates his all history of what he did in the military and the kids seem to be up on it, where he's like hell, mention a country and they're like, that's not where that's located. And it'll be like, well, I spent so much time in the sandbox that it all kind of meshes together, you'd find that you'd remember that Simpsons episode where it turns out that principal Skinner is stolen, valor case, he was never in nam do that was, like heartbreaking for me. Because he's always talking about how like all the Lockton tiger cage for three months. I, I don't remember that old Simpson's because I it was all we were probably like an high school or something like that, when it came out, okay because I did, basically fall off at a certain point that the Simpsons. Yeah, I mean I don't watch it regularly. But when I see it on TV or when I'm like travelling or something, and I see it. I watch it, and it's funny except I don't think the new episodes been, I think, fell off really. I haven't seen it and like I said, I see maybe once a year if that same here. And then when I do, just like, oh, this doesn't this isn't like the classic days, but I cover mill house and bumper stickers. All right, mummy's ready for his mystical journey, push them in a shopping cart, down the hill. All right. Well with that we covered some entertainment news unexpectedly. But that's what happens on this show. Sometimes, we're gonna get overdue Jeffrey Hess, author of no salvation and navy better. So we got in some entertainment news there, but we do have. Our interview as promised, we have Jeffrey sunnier, who is in navy veteran, the author of no salvation novel. The novels inspired by the actual events from the USS Kitty Hawk during Vietnam. The book takes place in nineteen seventy-two and the thing that tackles that went on the USS Kitty Hawk is the issue of racial tension, that occurred at that time has also authored beachhead Cold War, canoe club and no salvation among some other titles. And we're happy to have you on and talk about this. Great book, thanks, a lot of pressure. It's going to be here, but big fan of the show. You guys are pros really like what you're doing back so much appreciate it. So for for the audience, you want to tell us maybe a little bit more about this book to get them refreshed on, on what it's all about what inspired the book. Oh, sure. Yeah. The pinch. Is that? Vacations, largely race riot of ordinary craft carrier in the South China Sea in nineteen seventy two. The ships first black executive officer must choose between his race and the navy and his effort to save all aboard. And you mentioned some of the reference ships on the Kitty Hawk, for example. But in nineteen seventy two there were a number of ships that were having issues not only racial issues, but issues of sabotage and widespread drug use. And so what I kind of did was take took through a lot of research and made kind of a standalone story about all these elements that we're going on. I have nine characters it's not just race based material so with the, the sabotage the drug use, and some suicide and suspicious activity. It's all kind of interwoven and kind of synthesis of a number of different things that were going on number different ships at that time, I know this is a novel Jeff, but I'd really like to get in. Into kind of what inspired it because I feel like what you're talking about. Right now is a time and place in the military that the public knows nothing about there's really like post Vietnam war. The army was in very bad shape. And there is stuff that happened in Germany drug use even murders that just got swept under the rug. I think John Q public, just has no idea how bad it really was, especially true overseas. Whether it's on land or at sea. And that was really the case in seventy two again following on the heels of everything I was going on in America at the time. It was all the civil rights movement, and, and some of the unrest, that was happening. It was kind of. Amplified aboard ship because you figure ship is a pressure cooker in the best of circumstances. And then when you start thinking that is guys, and they were all guys back then the women on ships back in seventy two long, periods of time without any type of recreation note, a court visits just all work all pressure all the time. And then, of course you throw in the race issues than you throw in the, the drug usage in it. It's a powder. Keg, waiting to go off? And that's kind of what I was finding, and you asked how how it came about I was doing research for a story collection that I was writing a Cold War. Canoe club as you might imagine all about the Cold War. And so I kind of stumbled across information from the New York Times and a congressional reports about incidents that took place in nineteen seventy two and. I just I couldn't couldn't resist it. So I had to include a one story for the collection based on for mention that I found, but I knew I would have to come back to it. It was too rich of material Anders, too, widespread events that took place that I knew I would have to write a novel about that. So when I finished a collection, I got I got right on it in is five years in the making, and so it's, it's just a. A story like you said, people just do not know enough about what was the racial tension in the navy. At this time, largely was access to quality jobs was tough, because a lot of the, the black servicemembers were not trained that were not skilled. And part of that was because the navy didn't allow them to hold too many higher jobs on widespread basis that were like the black executive officer obviously, had training in the opportunity to fly planes and become an officer, and then, of course executive officer, however, a lot of the enlistment requirements for lowered at that time because against Vietnam era. And so a lot of the illicitties were given a choice of military, or jail and with that, you know, the judge given that type of a sentence, they figured they go in the navy. They thought it would be safer, and so that happened. And you had a lot of unhappy in a. Disenfranchised, black sailors, who were working in the ship's laundry, working in the in the galleys and below decks, and that being treated fairly in their eyes. And so they. They weren't happy as you might magin pretty much wide spread of that time, what were those incidents you mentioned that, that inspired the novel, the incidents that I found in my research, gloriously, was the Kitty Hawk riot. That was one of the biggest ones that took place on. That was in October seventy two but there was four days later, there was one on the Hoste that took place, as well. That was kind of. Not as widespread as big nuns publicized. But it's all in the same congressional reports and then the constellation had demonstration, which they considered kind of an aborted mutiny. And so there's also a huge fire on the forestall in that era. Young end of the ranger had sabotage, they've found paint scrapers another middle in the gears, the scanty had collisions at sea and get all of these ships had pretty much wide spread drug use because drugs were so available, especially in places like the Philippines were a lot of these ships, made port visits, and then, of course, you know, suicide was kind of it's always present aboard ship. But then the navy also at that time, had just actually ended at recently is the non judicial punishment of bread and water to where they could be it locked up in the Brig for three days on nothing but bread and water. And of course that happened quite. A bit. And so, again, the, the crew wasn't happy about that, when you say race riot on the Kitty Hawk like what, how did that go down? Like what actually happened largely as portrayed in the book, one of the black sailors was so upset, and so angry that he kind of we wanted to get. Just lash out. Get revenge is kind of take matters into his own hand in my book, when it was, was somebody that gave up somebody else's name to get somebody in trouble in it involved a drug ring. So there's a bit of intrigue, it out. I'm largely crime writer. And so I I- crime writer, military writers, they don't know which I am so kind of both. And so without those two components I found that it was. More fun for me to imagine what it would be like. And why this one guy would take matters into his own hands instead of igniting, hold race. Right. But he did was hugest going after one guy, but he had his buddies with him and so his buddies, kind of they overstepped. And so they kind of escalated things, and what happened actually on the Kitty Hawk, which happens in the book, as well, these black sailors, went into the white berthing spaces where white sailors were sleep because, again, this is a ship of over over four thousand men who seconded. Well, it was self segregated really the, the navy didn't mandate that it'd be segregated but the black crew segregated themselves to the degree where they didn't want. White authority coming down to police them. They wanted to have their own separate space and so again, that's that's in the book as well. And so, the black sailors, went into the white berthing spaces and just started yanking guys, on Iraq's just pummeling them and that kind of set off kind of a role in effect throughout the ship. So there's fighting in passageways fighting the areas in as the as captain porter says he was surprised that all of the casualties were white. I mean, how did they eventually get it under control? And on the in the case of the Kitty Hawk and in no salvation largely commander porter steps up. And he, he was one that was kind of an uncle Tom at the time where he wasn't really accepted by the black and again at of a crew of over four thousand there were only three hundred black men, so they were a vast minority aboard ship, and they had no real chance of succeeding. If the writing continued, but the, the, the captain also had access to the marine, forcible Ord who was armed and ready to fire. If need be an so in the book, it kind of comes out that way, but I was trying to think of the last part of your question with the how they diffused the race riot as you said, you're, you're in a pressure cooker, it's on a ship. I mean, there's nowhere to go exactly in largely what happened was commander porter in no salvation. He. Answer ingratiating himself with the crew by giving the black power salute and that was actually something that took place on the Kitty Hawk as well. And it was too strong material not to use. And so he kind of proved his blackness, so to speak by, by demonstrating that black power salute and then kind of showing that he was with them, but he wasn't a separatist in the way that it was one side versus the other. He wanted them to demonstrate and convey their, their concerns, and their grievances in a calm and productive way. And that's kind of he rallied them and was able to do that. But also with the threat of with the marines. So it kind of coalesced into calmness. It's a. Thankfully in a lot of ways, it's such a bygone era. And there's probably younger people listening to this kind of thinking, like, what the hell, but I mean you also have to consider this is civil rights movement era. The you add all these black people who could not vote could not participate in society being drafted into the military to go fight know what many of them consider to be the white man's war. And you can't necessarily blame them. I mean in my opinion, if you can't vote, but you're being drafted into the military to fight a war. I mean, that's basically slavery. What, what else would you call that? I'm actually confused by you're not being able to vote. They're all eighteen when they get drafted. So they'd be able to vote. I mean pre civil rights era wisely. Blackman of had the votes since eighteen hundreds, right? Yeah. Yeah. Some of the like Jim crow laws and some of the different types of oppression that was going on the fresh widespread oppression. Absolutely one hundred percent agree with that. And also around the time of Rosa Parks and all that, you know, so certain areas of the country, not being able to have the same privileges privileges that totally different subject up -solutely agree hundred percent there. Yeah. And so what, what inspired you to write a book about such a heated topic? I mean, racial tension, especially today is something that we still talk about in this country. Why was it something that you wanted to tackle kind of for both of those reasons run is that it is such a, a topic of discussion today is still in issue, which I find interesting, forty seven years later. But in that timeframe, I haven't found a book like this. And so, again, after discovering the material, I did some research, and there were no books of novels about this topic. There are some nonfiction books that cover the material a fiction writer, novelist of particularly, and I a brute the book, I wanted to read and that was my angle on it in it didn't exist before. So, so I figured forty seven years. Nobody's done it. I'm gonna do it because the information in the the research was just too compelling. And again, having navy back around. I'm the expert by any means unlisted eleven years after this incident takes place. And I didn't see any racial issues aboard ship at all. And so the, the ground that they made and that eleven years was tremendous. And so I wanted to utilize some of those memories, as well as the research, and of course, being novels use imagination as well. And so combined all three of those elements to make the book my own, and it remains to be seen what people think of it, it hasn't really come out, yet it will drop Monday. And so I'm waiting on so editor reviews to see how it's received. But again, I just wrote the book, I wanted to read at what point did you transition from the navy to becoming a fiction, writer L? Let's see. I got out of the navy in December of eighty nine and I jumped right into college, and then I went through four years, college, hoping the twenty four year old freshmen, I, graduated at twenty eight which you to you. That's what you do. Right. And then I started my first novel that summer is that has that always been a dream of yours. Is it something that you knew you were going to do post? Career it was something that I wanted to do since seventeen years old when I was in high school. I was I had a an English class where the assignment was to, to read any novel, he wanted and write a report about it. And as soon as you finished one to another, and so I was reading books of my own selection, and I, I never enjoyed a class more, obviously, I got an A in it. And it just I knew that was going to be a novelist someday. And I thought that was something that I would do you know when I got older, and then I met a. A novelist Randy, Wayne white. If you know, the name, he's a pretty famous, Florida, a crime, novelist, and I met him in my first year of junior college, and we were discussing the writing process, and he says, well, you like to be you want to be right. Or you should you should study that not even know that was an option. But I could study creative writing. I was I was all geared up to be a physical therapist. And so what I found out that I could study creative writing switched my major immediately and started studying creative writing in. It's been it's been that ever since. It's amazing. What are some you mentioned was at Cold War, canoeing, was the topical or canoe club that was kind of our nickname for the navy at the time, you know, during the Cold War, I think the navy's canoe club. And so I, I wrote a collection of stories called cold-war new club that feature stories that take place only during mindless mints, but also from nineteen forty nine on up to present day, basically with some of the guys. Who are older as veterans? It's really cool. I'm really glad you decide to topic tackle this subject, because I mean you start mentioning and talking about all these racial issues on the ships at the time and I didn't know anything about it. Like you said, it's not very widespread knowledge and it was it was at the time. I mean the research is available online with New York Times, particularly with the newspaper articles and some of the congressional reports all pre Adam admirals, waltz, and he definitely came in and it made huge changes. So I think it got not. Silence. But kind of swept under the rug because they wanted to move on make a fresh start. And like I said eleven years later, when I was in the would never have known there were issues. It's unreal. I mean, I remember reading accounts of when the army became integrated and I'm trying to remember what your was, but as in maybe like the late fifties where they did that and it's just very interesting to, to read those accounts from those times. And how quickly things changed, and from some of the ones, I read when they integrated the army, like it wasn't even that big of a deal that came back into work and life went on. Exactly. We have to think, you know. Guys are guys, you know, people are people, and so they want to do their job, and they wanna do it. Well, but they also wanted to be treated. Respectfully, that's all you can ask. Were you able to interview anybody from that time who was on one of these ships that experience these issues? I personally but a lot of the reference material that I used there were extensive interviews. So I'll benefit from that awesome. Very cool. Man. I think this audience is gonna love it. We suggest they pick it up because they want warning about military history. And it's cool that you got to fictionalized something that actually went on a big issue at the time. I'm going to ask you something completely unrelated to all this and the audience in the notes. We don't have the video of than for us. I'm curious about the sports memorabilia, fine you. Alabama Yankees fan. I was, I was born in New York, just nine miles from the stadium in mount Vernon and my father is we moved to Florida when I was forty years old. But my father is me Yankees fan, you grew up a Yankees fan, and I was a little leaguer during the seventy seven seventy eight World Series years in. It's just, you know, it's been my team since I was born basically. And so I, I do collect Maki memorabilia, absolute the jersey behind you looks like it's signed by full team L with the two thousand team. Yes. Wow. I mean that's got to be worth the time. I don't know the value, but it was it's priceless. To me, it was actually a gift from my mother-in-law Christmas that year two thousand. And if I remember correctly 'cause I, I mean there were so many World Series during that time the two thousand Yankees were World Series, winning team. Right. Right. Has the subway series against the Mets? That's right. I, I do remember that. They dropped two thousand one obviously to the Diamondbacks. Unfortunately after September eleventh. But yeah, I. Act that legendary game after nine eleven where Mike Piazza hit that home run for the Mets at home and it was the first baseball game back at back in New York after nine eleven there with my dad, and it's something we still do like documentaries on. Yeah. It was it's actually kind of cool out. Baseball broad people together, you know after such a tragedy was one of those things where people were able to. I've seen doc marries about people able to smile at something and wife got somewhat back to normal for a lot of people, and it's cool because I mean two thousand one I was soft more and high school. You don't realize the impact that this has, but people look back, and they're like New York was able to get back to, you know, just doing normal things that time and that being there was just a baseball game to me to be honest time. Yeah, when you're living or when you look back everything else, everything has a perspective of time, it just magnifies and that's the beauty of it. Awesome. Well, great happy on once again, the website is Jeffrey has dot com and I should spell Jeffrey can you spell it? I'm used to the. J. E. F. F R, E Y, but you're, you're. J. E. F. F. E R Y has dot com at real Jeffrey has on. Twitter anything else you wanted to get into here. No, I think that's great. The book comes out what did you say? Monday Monday on the Morial day. Yeah. Out standing so pick it up a great piece of military history, but fictionalized account by you. And it's been great ABN yawn types. A lot of really appreciate you having me on and keep doing what you're doing. Man. I really appreciate it. Thanks so much. Thank you. Great having Jeffrey on, as I said, I wanted to at least reflect on this being the end of me hosting the show with Jack and for me man, I mean, it's hard to believe this has been seven years since when Brandon, brought me on board. And I've seen the show grow in many different ways and the amount of guests, we've had on me, and I'll never forget always have with me that I got to interview, everyone from Buzz Aldrin to rob O Neil to even some controversial guests like general, general Flynn. I'm thinking. Yeah. And Roger stone. Like just a great list of guests here. But even more importantly is just the fans of the show I at first when I was abroad on board. It was a little bit rough, because I just this is not completely my whole world, and I feel like I got at a certain point accepted into it with, you know, wide open arms, and everything from both the people that we, Pat, on the show that I've become friends with, like crisper Rondo and at clamor sin. But then even say more importantly, the fans of the show in the first time I really realized that was the first shot show. I went to, and it's the first time I've certainly ever felt like the closest thing to a celebrity is where at the top of the house of blues room at the Mandalay bay, and people were like, hey, and of the show, and it made me realize that this thing is so much bigger than I than I felt like it was in my head. And then I remember even in the years that followed like while we're in Vegas, this time a year where it happens. I went to go to the apple store I had to. Do something for Brandon and someone just hears me talking to an employer there. And they're like, hey you're in from software radio. And then I went to a show totally off the strip to go. See sin city centers, which has the guitars from faster pussycat, you guys know that like my whole world outside of this is into like that era of rock music. And I'm not even talking. I'm there by myself in two guys behind. You're like, hey you're in from software radio. Right. And ended up sharing you know a cab with them and talking to them about the show. And then there's even been incidents here, New York City, where people recognize my voice on the phone with my dad and you know, they're like, I know you from the podcast and it just it's, it's so awesome me, the response that I've got of people that are kind of said, see moving onto different things. But I'm I'm always around, you know, anybody wants to add me on to discuss this type of stuff, but I, I really greatly appreciate it. I, I can't stated eilly enough. I, I really just appreciate the response that I've gotten from people in there. Seeing the reviews and seeing what this means to people, and that there's guys who've listened to the show, and then went on to the military. It was like an inspiration for them. Guys who listen to the show all the working out, which on the because I listen to music, working out, it, this would not this would not motivate me and taught me up. But I mean, I am just a fan of the medium of podcasting and I know what like the podcast I listen to me into me. And so for other people have that same feeling listening to this. It's, it's remarkable and I love doing this. And I actually think just in my opinion, some of the more recent shows, we've had our some of the best shows in the entire nearly five hundred episodes of this whole thing. So I do feel like I'm going out on top in terms of, you know, the show hasn't like fizzled out or anything we've had some just really excellent shows look back on the interviews with Dell Comstock recently, which was amazing, the last interview with Remmy I listened to the one with Remmy last night, just curious how it came out and how it sounded. And I mean. It was great. Yeah. I think we tackled a great deal of issues with him. And I think Dennis is going to be great coming on board here. So I'm gonna continue to do some stuff in the voice over field. And like I said, I don't rule out working with Jack on some outside projects and things like that. If something comes up that I think, is worth doing, but it's just crazy because I've said it on the show before, but I've never been a history of offer. A military nerd, I wasn't someone who like read all these books of, you know, the, the guys that the books that you guys look up to, like dick more, Cinco and Carlos half cock, and all that. Like I, I didn't even know about these guys until I was on board here, and it just kinda happened that I ran into you guys from my old gig. And so there was definitely a huge learning curve when I came on board, I had a handful of friends in the military some of whom you've met. But now, it's like I know dozens upon dozens of guys in the military where if I visit their state, they're down a hang with me and grab lunch. And shoot the shed and it it's just awesome. It's great guys to know. And a lot of them have become guys that I consider friends, you know, like you so super cool man. I think you're right that the podcast is better than it's ever been in the past. And I mean you took it from it was literally, I mean, just to like rewind way back to the day way back. I mean it was like me on my laptop over Skype and some dude, like recording it on his computer, and we went from that to where it is today. We started getting bigger and bigger guests more and more, like exclusive interviews, people are very difficult to track down and get and get the come on. And so I mean I really think you took this podcast from what most podcasts are dude, you know, recording in his garage cool and like, professionalized it, and really turned it into something that can be presented to a large audience that has a lot of appeal that the quality's very high. And it shows I mean you have these people like Brad Thor when they come through, and they do their tour. They wanna come on, on this podcast. Yeah. I think it's because, you know you built it up to that level. Now that this thing is it gets, like what back between fifty and seventy thousand listens, actually more lately, it's been like a hundred thousand. That's good. We, that's I don't even know what the say about that. Because I, I don't know if anybody wants to fact check that, by the way, it's because soundcloud, you can see the wishes on there. But then we have internal lessons because of the app because the website and sometimes it doubles. Well, soundcloud, actually tracks everything except for the internal stuff but I mean, the numbers are huge. So what does that mean? I mean you're talking about walking around Las Vegas. People recognize your voice like what does that mean? You have seventy or one hundred thousand people listening to your podcast. I mean it has a wide reach. Think of how big that is. I think the venue it's like, wow, we're speaking till I it's a lot of Coliseum time. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's crazy. To me because neither of us are celebrities or anything. I mean, meanwhile you're doing CNN might be internet famous. I don't know what the what the gauges of internet famous not neither of us are Tommy Laron or, you know. Yeah. Not came a Kardashian. Yeah. But nonetheless, I mean, I think, you know, you worked really hard on this podcast. I mean, we both did and you were harder on it, because this is your full time job is doing the podcast. And built it up into something that matters to a lot of people. And I'm proud of the podcast because two because we'll be because of the content and because I think that when you listen to this, you get something you don't get on other podcasts. Like if you listen to. All these, like, antiwar podcasts out there, people just hate the military and eight America. When there's all these others that are like very patriotic. And there just waving the flag, and they just want to support the troops. But this is this is something different and unique when you listen to this podcast, you get the good the bad and the ugly. You know, we don't try to sugarcoat shit for people, and that's really important to me, because I know there are so many younger folks out there who listen to this and are thinking about joining the military and I don't wanna blow smoke up their ass. I want them to know the truth, and, you know, they go in with their eyes open. Yeah. I think integrity is very important of both of us who we want on the show what we wanna protray on the show, and we don't prescreen our guests now. Like it's all in the moment, you know, like there's been guests, actually, I will say, I don't think I've ever mentioned on the podcast before. But it will say can you send me questions in advance of what we're gonna talk about, you know? And I just always say, like no, it's not really what we do. We'll I'll give you the gist like yeah. Like Jeff came on Jeffrey came on today. We're gonna talk about your book. That's the topic. Right. But we don't we don't give them questions or we don't we don't like prescreen them to see what their views are before. So it's all raw. It's just what you think in that what you say in that moment. So yeah, I'm really proud of that. But I'm proud of the content but you also work on the back end in the logistics, and the technical aspect of it and scheduling all the guests and you have to put up with bullshit, like oh, you know, I don't think I can make it into day. Dealing with all of that, and that all plays a big part of making a professional production. Yeah. And even just the people who whose voice you hear on the podcast to I, I don't really mention Carro, Brian who does the intro. The out tro and those those voices that you hear on here. Yeah. I think we really put together a really professional product. And I think integrity has been a really big part of doing this in that a lot of other outlets. Wanna put some image out there and for us, so he's been about getting the truth out there. Whether it's stuff, people want here, they don't wanna hear and we'd probably have a bigger audience, if we did a podcast, that was like something that you hear on Fox News, or, you know, now, the blaze or as you said, there's probably a market for these liberal woke vet podcast. And we are neither of those, and I'm proud that we, we've always been neither those, and we always let people say what they want to say. I mean, if you listen back that sowed with Jake swig, it was completely different view of you of Eddie Gallagher. And we've always felt like that's okay. We what people say what they want here. We're not we're not trying to put forth, a certain message. And you know it's funny, it's like what we've been able to do this without having the typical split-screen debate of things. And, and I mean, we've really kept it professional in the entire history of show. You've never heard like you and I have some huge on air fighter anything, you know, we've, we've had like heated discussions on things. But I feel like at least I've done my best, I think you have to like I come in here. Try to turn it on every time no matter what is going on in my personal life. I wanna make sure that we got a great interview out of these people, and that, that you guys learned something because I, I realized for a lot of people like this is a highlight of their week while they're commuting while they're at the gym or wherever they listen. This is something they look forward to everyone's Dan fried. And I don't wanna let those people down. And I hopefully have not it was really an Israeli important to me, that we don't pander that we're not just hot dogging it, you know, for a certain demographic, like you said, telling people what they wanna hear, and it also important that we respect the audience's intelligence. There's a lot of media out there where you have these pundits were screaming at people telling you what to believe and I never wanted to do that. I just wanna present information, and I we give our opinions at firms, but I'm not interested in telling people what they, what they should believe. I want you to think about what we're talking about. You come to your own conclusions about that. And I think we accomplish that for the most part. Yeah, I agree man. And I guess if I could end it on anything it's been awesome working with you in the past seven years. It's, I'll definitely be Jack not like we're far or any will end up working together on something somewhere. I genuinely think we will. And I think a lot of this audience will check it out if we do, but everything that you've done from your writing at the site to some of the guests that you've tracked down. No one is ever heard from, like these guys like Mike Vining. It's always impressed me your knowledge of military history or knowledge of the special operations events in history as Jim west said like Jim was a guy and he's talked about it many times on the show, who didn't want to open up to people. And then when he heard your knowledge of the special operations world, he was able to get comfortable with you. And I think that's happened with a lot of guys in the show. I don't I don't think Dell com- stock after all the fire that he was under for what went down the contracting, he was doing would be comfortable. On many media. What's, but he knows that you're not gonna try to pull something out of him that he's not comfortable talking about. And I think that's why we've got we've got the interviews that we have. I will ask the question. But it's up to you how you want to answer it. But, but I think people are able to come on here and no, we're not gonna like slickly at it. Some, you know, we do edit the podcast at times, but it's just in terms of 'cause we're it's dead air. Like we're looking at each other. Yeah. Things like that. I mean, if guests says something they're not comfortable getting out there. They always have that relationship with us of. Hey, can you take this out there? Rarely happens but I just been. We're not we're not like a quick Beatty. Yeah. I think I think that is partially. Why we've gotten all a lot of these people to come on the podcast because they know that I'm not going to try to shout them down, or edit their answers and manipulate it and make it sound like they said something they didn't which more and more in this in this age. We've seen where guys take their cell phones into an interview, and they record it. And then what, what comes out the final product TV producer, just chop, the should out of the interview, and makes it sound like I am. You know, like stuff like that. And then when the full interview is published or you hear it. It's like, well he didn't say that at all. Yeah. If anybody comes off either good or bad on the podcast. It's always of what of what they actually said, we don't pay anybody into a picture, try to make you feel a certain way about them, like a lot of people really didn't like when we had on that libertarian presidential candidate. I can't remember his name. Oh, lost. Yes. You know. And it wasn't due to anything, we said, people thought that we asked him certain questions, and he came off kind of pompous about things if I remember correctly, he's the one who said when I asked about a border patrol issue that he was like, well, that's why we have the second amendment should have, you know, citizens at the border like shooting illegal immigrants. And, and if people didn't like the way someone comes off. It's never because of something we did. I feel like we let people come on here and get their message across. It's up to the audience if they like it or not. They can answer the way they want. And I've noticed sometimes to listener, sometimes they get upset because we haven't told them what to believe. Yeah. It's not it's not all listeners, of course. But once in a while. So we'll come to you got to take a side on this. And it's like, yeah, I mean I can take a side but I mean it's also about the guests like giving their point of view. And I think that a lot of the guests, we have come with experiences and expertise in firsthand knowledge, that it's important to hear their side of things. And I, I mean me personally, I wouldn't want to listen to a podcast that it's like just the opinion of Jack Murphy for an hour and a half like I wouldn't want to listen to that. And I am Jack and also I mean you guys who have listened to the podcast for a long time seen, you know, people come and go and the hosting roles, and we would have various writer from the site hosts the show at times, and it's like to me at least past couple years like the consistency of you, and I has just been perfect. I don't think you could ever like replicate that chemistry that we have. Where we don't always agree on everything Barreau. He's able to have I think a good discussion about stop and that's hard to come by people. Sometimes think that you could just put people together for a podcast, it's going to work, and it's not always gonna work and a lot of the times is like is, you know, Dennis, there's always like this infighting when you team people up is host. I was watching that you probably saw the Mike and the mad dog thirty for thirty on ESPN alone, and I loved it, too, but those guys were fighting over like the most Sheild dish things, and they wouldn't like the second go to break, they wouldn't speak to each other. And it's what broke the show, right? You don't like I like this is so silly that these guys were like these high paid radio host for the biggest sport station are gonna let these small things like break-up this great show. They have. I mean, they, they played the thing on that ESPN documentary of, when Mike was on vacation, instead of the Mike and the mad dog theme, he took out the Mike and it was like a fun thing as a joke in Mike, Mike came back furious. That he changed the song. And it's like come on. Is this really that big of a deal for, you know, these guys who are paying being paid millions to speak on air, but for them like this shit was very important to them? And it's like it's the least little things that broke up the show. And you and I have never had now, honestly any issue really gotten men, maybe it's because we only record this twice a week. Maybe for your in the studio four hours a day five days out of the week. I mean, I could tell you that Orange County, choppers me more. He throws the chair at the guy. I haven't seen that. But yeah, you've seen it. You've definitely. Yeah. I mean I could tell you just from working in radio, sometimes, like it's unlike any other job because if you don't get along with someone that you're in the future with which has happened to me. It's not like another job where you're like, well, I just devoid, this other a lot of times you are stuck in a control room or in a studio with this person, four hours out of the day. And you gotta figure out a way to get along. If you're gonna have to work with this person. And a lot of in there a lot of it too is. Not with this podcast. But in other other avenues of its arcane, and as you can say, you could say, no, no, no. I'll get even and I've talked about this off air where, you know, let's, let's say you to like inwardly because you guys had a beef and not the case not that, but let's say on air. You know, I would it would be I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't have that on. It makes. So people like you made hate you might hate the guy, you're working with. But then somebody else like the third person me or whoever else brand whoever works within the show is going to egg, it on to try and get a bigger reaction for click Beatty headlines. And that's not what will yeah about we never have because I always feel like the focus has been on the guest more than like inner turmoil with, you know, the company or drama or anything like that. But I know you mean because I was just listening to the Howard Howard Stern show that ended on, I don't know, if you don't like a bit of a cliffhanger with benjy bronk coming the studio, eight again, year, then and Howard being like dude, this happened this so many times, like I don't think you're gonna have a job anymore, and I don't know if they're going to be back, like, I'm curious about this whole thing now, like Benji going to no longer be on the show and that stuff does make for great radio. I'd rather listen to them talking about Benji being late great celebrity interview on that show just the way it is. 'cause you grow with the characters, and I'm sure a lot, I would say almost all of these listeners are going to miss you, mentally, I mean, in my, this is now the fourth show that I've been a part of autumn issue. Like you were instrumental in coaching the along here. I was saying earlier, I mean, and Ian, or so close that we double up in the urinal, and we cross. I noticed I went into go, and I was like they're having a moment. Yeah. Yeah. I got yeah. Hopefully, we get one day, Jack, we will we will we'll get take time we got the Irish power going on. That's not a good thing. You like to drink think half that. This wasn't Dave Richardson. Dave Richardson web that, by the way, I was the first thing he said when he came in. Biki biki. Biki Brandon's thing. But I haven't seen him in a while. But ethnic predisposition now a gift and a curse. Yeah. It's, it's both the cost in the solution of all my problems. With that, man. I'm sure they'll be other things in the future for me. I I'm doing like I said, a lot of over stuff. Now, I know you're thinking male prostitution one nine hundred. No. I'm doing that actually. I'm also looking to. Wow. Take this course and I hate seeing the word alma mater. I think it sounds. So do the college, I went to I've been looking into, they have a certification of virtual training there over the summer, which is something I've wanted to do for years. I'm going to do that as well. I so I'm not immediately doing anything again, in podcasting, a radio, but, like a great opportunity comes along. I mean, I've been doing broadcasting since two thousand six it's been a long time. And in a lotta ways kind of excited to take on other challenges. And that's why I'm doing this and, you know, on some level, I mentioned the quote on a recent podcast, but I'm always inspired by different things that I read in different musicians that I read about that. That's always been a topic of mine that I love and I mentioned, how cannabis the rapper when he was not necessarily at the height of his career was career was still going very well decided to enlist in the army in an interview they asked him, like, why would you do this? You're like this. Big name, New York rapper and he just said like this is what's defined my life since. Adolescence. Is wrapping he's like I want my life to be defined by different things. I don't want to be stuck into, like one box, and I feel the same way would love to do bigger things, and I've already done with voiceover and things with my love fitness. But this is something I naturally gravitated to is doing radio doing podcasting. So I do think at some point I will get back to this. It just has to be the right situation. I'm not like looking to go just board up and other show. Right now producing other show in the future possibly. But unless something comes along right now that I'm really passionate about I'm looking till like explore other avenues, and I know for you, you know, you are into doing this as well as being a writer, as in terms of like a investigative journalists. But then also writing your memoir and do, I think, just part of life is challenging yourself to do new things, and I haven't done that Nawab. I think it's also just part of the modern economy, like unless you have a real career like you're an engineer or doctor or something like you have to know how to do ten different things. Oh, yeah. All these people who are like big names on YouTube. I realized that they're not just people who know the ins and outs of being a broadcaster and the, you know, how to do like Mike break here and the formats like all these people. They know like video editing. I don't really know video. I know even the big ones. I mean, they say themselves, your crazy, if you quit your job and just be like a fulltime youtuber, it's weird though, because I quit was like a more stable career at serious to be a fulltime podcast out worked at, like, I'm very proud of the fact that it worked my whole, I said, this in, and what I wrote on Twitter, if you guys saw on Facebook like my whole thing of what I was young and what I wanted to do. I just wanted to avoid having to put on a suit and tie every day. Get like a quote air quotes real job. And somehow I'm about to be thirty three years old. And I've never had like a what people consider a real job. And I'm really proud of that fact. Yeah. My wife is like. Why don't you dress like a dolt half like sports coat? And some I Honey like if I wanted to do that, I would have chosen a totally different path in life, I would have gotten a real job and gonna work in an office. And I'd be like one of these hedge fund broS what's the point of doing this job? If you can't like sit in your home, we're in your pyjamas writing at your computer what I asked the and before the show we were prepping I was Kate do you shorts in summer? And he was like, yeah, okay. Good. The last thing you wanna come in New York City sweat. Yeah. Yeah. No one here is giving me crap about any of that yet. That's always been what I wanted to do is just to kind of do my own thing, and you know, and that's obviously not to take shots at anyone who listens. Spot. Guess you took another path and wife. I mean, I think we all have different things that we're passionate about. And if your job that you're not passionate about you could always pursue things on the side that you are. And I was doing that at one time by doing my own podcast. And you know if this inspires you to do your own thing. A lot of people have said to me, I'm gonna start my own. Podcast. The problem is that I have a lot of people who say, I'm gonna start a podcast and then a year later, they're still thinking of. A lot of things. Yeah. And a lot of people if you're thinking of, you know, if this podcast makes you want to write a book start a podcast knowns going to, like, hold your anthr- at fucking do it, man. Whatever it is that you're passionate about take the leap. And even if it's something on the side of your nine to five job, it's something that's calling you go out and do it. That's my inspiration for you. As I am this last thing is, you know, I, I will get the reads out of the way here because I do always feel to promote what we're doing here at hurricane group. So this'll be my last read for your be sure to check out crate club. It's club for men by men of gear handpicked by special operations veterans, all tier crates are available at crate club dot US. 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That's a rat, man until we see you next time. I'm sure you're gonna cruise in here wearing like one of those purple Laurence Fishburne suits life. Fuck you guys, a make him Bala money. Are you guys gonna be back on Wednesday? I don't even know what you guys have planned or too, because I know you're, you're official day is June persons that mean next week guys have shows I have no idea. Either didn't. I didn't think the I didn't think the wheel is gonna stop turning. Okay. So you guys hoping hopefully tune in next Wednesday, Wednesday and I will be Sedona, Arizona hiking with two of my old friends from not only high school elementary school. I cannot wait to be in Sedona. And when I told my friends that I was leaving, they were like dude, leave right before you go to Sedona, and I was like that's a plan, dude. So I'll be in Sedona and have a great weekend. Everybody. Listening to. New episodes, every Wednesday and Friday, follow this show on Instagram and Twitter at so rip radio.
LL 120: Self Love, Law of Attraction & Solo Travel w/ Jasmine Lipska
"What you fake us on grows stronger. Welcome to the lavender, like style, the podcast on personal growth and lifestyles design. My name's Leanne, I'm here to guide you to become a master artist of life. Every Sunday, you'll get new insight and inspiration on how to create your dream life after the episode the conversation continues in our lavender lifestyle, Facebook group, so I can't wait to see you there. Life is an art make it your masterpiece. Hey guys, I'm super excited to bring on jasmine leaf ska as our guest today, but before I get started I wanna I let you know, about the new create your dream life. Course that I recently launched. I'm so excited. So it is a six week program to tapping your troop attention and making your dream life of reality. So it's a step by step program, with videos, worksheets and bonuses, to work on yourself and your life. So if you want to enroll, or check it out, you can go to lavon der dot com slash dream life. Again, lavender dot com slash dream life. So you'll find more info. There are guest today is my friend jasmine. Leaps. Gotta jasmine leap SCA is a passionate lifestyle. Youtuber travel blogger author and content creator empowering. Self love, conscious living and wellbeing through her creative spirit and focus on making a positive impact in the world. She's also the host of the blissful soul podcast and openly shares her life on her YouTube channel aiming to bring light to self growth and modern spiritual. Eighty as a multi linguist, jasmine also shares her love for learning languages, and all of her travel adventures across the world's inspire wholehearted living. So here is jasmine. Leaps go. Hi, jasmine. Welcome to eleven der lifestyle. I'm so excited to talk to you. Thank you so much. I lean. It's an honor, I'm so excited. Yeah. And I know that you're traveling solo around the world right now. Where are you currently in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia? And yes, it's been seven weeks. Now since I've started this chip seven weeks already. Yeah. Because we met while we're or we met in March when I was in Australia. Wow. I can't believe it's already been so law. Where did you go before Malaysia Bali for a month? Wow. And where do you think you're going nex say, next Thailand? And exploring that country, I've never been before. So, yeah. Also very exciting and you're traveling indefinitely. Like, or do you have a date that you'll return home? Yeah indefinitely. I feel like like. Is my family is in thelan. But it's also just like if the world is my home and say, I had to have any plans at the moment of when exactly I'll get back. I got that so insane. Okay. So I guess we'll talk about this a lot more later, but first, I want you to share with our listeners, what inspired you to start your YouTube channel. It was really just the wanting to inspire others. That was always always the core of every video the first video I made just to inspire others to Lynn languages. That's how it really started to bring positivity and just to show what's possible what you can do. And I know that you, you kind of blew up with your language, learning videos, because that's how I found your channel. Can you talk about your background in that? Yes. Say I grew up. Well English is my first language, but I also grew up speaking Chinese Mandarin since my mom is from China. And everyone in my family speaks Chinese, including my dad, even that his polish, and I also lived in China for two years when I was a little child. I obviously picked up Chinese like that. And I just always really enjoyed the Chinese-language found it really fascinating. And then in school in primary school, I was exposed to talion that's the language Lynn and then in high school in. Yeah. Seven we had the option of winning two languages. At once I didn't know why my school did that let they did. And I chose intonation and French. They also had talent but because Lindh before I thought, I'll try something. All tried French. And so I lead that NFL and Indonesian to be more exciting dislo me personally, say the next. Yeah, we had to choose to just continue with one language. So I chose Indonesian did that until you twelve and yet. Yeah. I like not to brag or anything close. But I really enjoyed Indonesian, and for example, I did lots of all competitions. And I wanna I prize and also got scholarships, I just always have loved learning languages and spent a lot of time doing that as well. A lot of effort into my language lending. Yeah. And you didn't mention that you learned Korean and. All right. I'm pulling his oh, yes. It's funny because it may my dad is polish. I haven't I'm never lend polish like in school or anything and I don't speak fluently. I just know a few it's here and there, but Korean yes, because in your nine I started to get into Korean dramas to watch that never took any formal classes, but it was really really just three watching an immense amount of traumas and with the intention, I always knew that by watching these dramas I intended to pick up and Lynn Korean and say after couple of years, I can now understand a lot of Korean and outside him into mediate. But yeah, just amazing that you can just land from watching dramas. I just think it's so incredible. How many languages you have grasp? And it's really cute that right now you're doing a travel around the world. And I really think you are like a child of the world. Right. Thank you. When you went to Bali. I'm sure you're Indonesian helped you get around, hopefully, she'll yet the locals love that as well. Yeah. So I mean listeners if you want to learn how to speak a language and learn fast, follow Jasmine's YouTube, even bought your e book on, like learning languages. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. But it is like a separate commitment that I think here and then but I'm not like as committed as you are. I'm sure you've got this. So let's talk about. I mean, you're also really passionate and knowledgeable about self love and spirituality. So I'm curious. How did you gain? All this knowledge, was it just how you were raised. When did you start reading these books? Tell me about that. Yes, I've always really been passionate about self love, and helping this, too. See the potential in themselves. It's just something that's been a pot of may I love encouraging friends in that way as well. And of course, I have influenced from my parents. My mom is also passionate about loving yourself. And yes, so he's my dad in the way just lying. Non tirec way and say it's also I guess based on experiences as well. I still went through really low self esteem through my teenagehood, and that led to at the quite Panipat it. But my eating this audience in my early attain ages, and like exercise diction just really Liselotte esteem, and it's made a Ginny to healing that. And I've come a long way, but along the journey, I discovered some books, and it just somehow I came across it. I consider it Pethick divine timing, and the first one that really changed my life and got me in. To all these other books and delving more into self love, and spirituality was mustering. Mingo oh yeah. I think I had Melissa on the podcast. Yes, it was Rossini I met her as well. And that will really change over me. And after that, I discovered more books people that she was recommending. And I got into the spirituality. Well, I guess you would say and I cited to just lend to listen to my intuition, again and Cape landing key planning in twenty eighteen I actually read a Feddie books alone, self grown, like duct, Wayne, dia. Introduce still as of thought leaders that really changed my life, and I've been sharing as well, because I just want to help as many people as I can, I don't want anyone to go through what I did. So just coming from that point of view and experience, that swint Sipe passion of add it. I mean, what advice would you have for our listeners who are? Still struggling with self love and body image issues. My biggest advice at the moment is to you can seek help. Of course n take the time to work on yourself because self love isn't selfish and the more lobby give yourself the mole love fines to you in your life to and the relationship, you have with yourself is reflected into all areas of your life with the relationship, you have with others with money with time with, with food with everything, so take time to work on yourself and seek help and surround yourself with positive pay pool seek mentos and just know that it's a K to go deep within yourself to take time out to work on yourself. Yeah. And can you share any of like your personal limiting beliefs that you used to have? And how you overcame them. I would say my greatest limiting belief. I used to be that I am not heavy. I not good enough, which I think many, many whole used to still struggle with its peak ones, actually in, like a society now that we have social media and constant comparison. And how I if I came that I think, no matter what limiting belief in is the key to changing that which happens, of course, over time and I'm still at working on that have come a long way. And it's really just repetition because repetition is key to changing any belief you have. That's how they're still within us when would a child through repetition from those around us. Repetitious K to change your in a paradigm, and to every day, I was just saying, positive affirmations. I am where the I am worthy. I am good enough and realizing I can't cave saying this to myself, I can't keep victimizing. Myself like no one can save me non can change that I have to change that belief myself, so on positive affirmations. I it's something that I think people have heard like it's so important to do positive affirmations, but most people feel awkward doing it. I mean do you do it in front of the mirror? What, what does your I guess routine or ritual? Look like, yeah, I just say it like when I'm maybe washing the dishes, though sounding out to say out loud, and I think member work is say palpable as well saying in the mirror looking at yourself and releasing judgment just being present in the moment and just saying that, and you can if you do it privately yourself, you have to worry about will others think, and yeah, I didn't find all because like it's just saying, Liz, and when you truly mean it, you know, you're doing it flea self and it will be ingrained into a time, when you say with intention, and you truly mean it and you feel it. Yeah, I can totally vouch for. That just where listeners out there. The more you say these positive thoughts, the more you actually believe it. And then the more it really affects your life, my favorite time to keep repeating these efforts to myself, as actually like before I go to sleep. I think like before you go to sleep or right after you wake up like the best time to reprogram your subconscious mind. I don't know if you've heard about that. But also during meditation. It's really helpful to. Yeah. Definitely. And that's, that's a win out state is in the data state and say, that's limbless receptive to everything explained to us. They the that's why that's a great point to, like, say after you wake-up mmediately, and before you sleep. Yeah. Totally. So another thing that really impressed me about, you jasmine is, when we were, well, we met, you told me that you got really inspired, and you wrote your law attraction book in how long was it? Yeah. It was too. And I was like astonished because to me, I felt your energy and it just felt like you were in such creative flow, and so many artists struggle with doing the work finishing what they set out to do. How did you overcome your blocks? How do you just create so easily? Yes, it was really just taking inspired action. And I guess the biggest thing that is a quote unquote, plucks PayPal as the excuses, the FIA the fear of is going to be good enough, and aiming full perfection. And those things I am still very much wakened within myself, but I just felt this coaling my in annoying knee that I had to get out and a copy facing on perfection. If I want to get this book out them, no matter what I wanna create as content creators, if fiction, that's it's going to stop you from creating what you really want to. It was just just listening to my intuition. That's really. The thing. Yeah. And going with the flow and honoring this time as well, because I was just felt so much in alignment and just this floor and just wanted to keep typing typing typing on that. And I pry ARA ties that as well. Yeah, I love that. And I wanna point that out because that's a lesson that I had to learn in these past few years of being a creator that when you are inspired, and you have momentum with the flow and everything, like take like take action. Don't let it go to waste because sometimes I'll have an idea. And I'm really inspired to do it. But I'm like, okay, I'll put it on my to do list, and I'll get to it later. I'll do it next week and the next week rolls around and you don't have that same energy to do that. So, honestly, if you're inspired the best time is just to take action right then and right there. Yeah. Definitely the Pethick time is always now. Yes. Yeah. And I is I. I consider ideas sacred as well. When you have this incredible amazing exciting idea that gets you really inspired. I guess in inspiration is being in spirit as well. And it's win because you have all the resources right now in front of the to manifest that full into reality that the universe gave me that idea. And if you don't take action now the idea may leave an e Canadian making native if he can't do right now, as may connote put it wimp 'cause is ideal will leave the universe will give the idea to someone else. And we can often see that, when, like maybe you didn't take action and then lady someone else in the exact same. Yeah. Yes. I and out grains, designed to process information, not necessarily store. That's why we have memory. Yep. So when you take action now the U, honoring yourself y'all nearing the idea. From the NFS. Yeah. And when you feel inspired the universe is on your side to help you make that happen. But surely is let's talk a little bit about how you feel towards like the universe law of attraction, and manifesting since you did write that book. Yes. So I guess how has it changed your life, and how do you use love attraction in your everyday life? Yes, I guess, with all every single person from the moment able, and they're using the law of attraction. It's just with you conscious of it, or done, and I became conscious of the law of attraction out, say last year, I had a kind of spiritual awakening near my twentieth. They and that's when I had to Lynn more about it and just rating, lots and lots of books and disarray. Say much and it profoundly changed my life because I knew about now. I'm maybe many of your listeners, have maybe have not heard of the secret, the book the movie, and it's kind of like that it's really lack changing, because he knew everything you say everything believed. That's what we create in your life. And there are some elements to love attraction, which includes like taking. Action and everything else. But just knowing that what you fake on grow stronger. It really changes everything because then while what she consciously choose fake on a negative thought that doesn't serve the reality, you wanna create. Yes, say an assay realized it's something that I've been throughout my whole life. I've kind of being conscious on it off it in that I've always named pulse of because I know that I want to receive positive outcomes like like everyone does. And I've, I've always visualized since young child. I took no kind of wile what but at just Edison's out really young from what I can remember if I had a goal. List that goals, myself I always visualize myself at shaving that goal and it happened like most of the time and again to Prague, but just goes to show the power of visualization and believing that he can achieve that goal. And say yet this book is much of is, of course, based on my experience with love attraction and howev manifest a little my goals as well. Right. And in your daily life. How are you using attraction? Is it like every thought you're trying to be conscious of? Or do you have a ritual related to that blow say I wake up in gratitude and just practicing cheat every day like what you appreciate appreciates say living in gratitude and saying, affirmations visiting my goals every day. And yet being as present as I can in the moment that doing meditation to moving my body, which helps it movement of energy, and yeah. Just being conscious. Of my thoughts and I still experience negative feelings, like I want to make this clear it's not about full seeing yourself to be positive positive positive and just suppressing. All these negative feelings, emotions like all humans to have a pulse of you'll have negative like that's the little polarity. And so it's choosing instead when you have a negative feeling to let that poss- this to shell Haas and seeing it using as a teach up when you're a win an economy in this present moment, you can ask yourself, what is this present moment, this feeling teaching me donate a Lynn donate a change, and you let that pass and you just be gentle on yourself. And I will usually start saying affirmations again, just to raise vibration, and do anything that will raise my vibration. You have video on that say, Ulysses can check that one out say, end this just honoring own. All my feelings. But not letting the native take over ole give that Powell Cape. Fading it. I'll let it pass. What will you do for your dreams in twenty nineteen? Introducing the artist of life workbook and daily planner by lavender tools to help you create your best year twenty nineteen if you love journaling, self-discovery creativity and productivity. 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So how do you handle it? Because some people are really hard on themselves or what do you do. Yeah. Definitely say facing, I've able conscious to not actually put an end date to it, and it's still crate, if you do, and that's because I truly believe in the divine timing when you just keep taking spied action, you believe in yourself, everything will happen when it needs to any when you put this in day, take kind of limits, he and put more pressure on yourself. And a desire is a desire, that you have, and it will come like, I truly believe it will. But this end date that you have, you made up may says it has to. And it's great to put that also. Motivated. But if you reach hit like that's why I don't always put that end goal in just let it be like it will happen as malicious Sitton. You're absolutely said with without a shadow of Jap, then it will come say embrace health along takes never will take time. I actually really liked that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that because you hear so many times, people give advice, like set super specific goals. No. Exactly when you want to achieve by this date and, and it is kind of limiting. And if you truly can trust the universe, and believe in, like perfect divine timing, then it will happen when it's meant to happen, though, important things to remember, as you always have to take that inspired action. You can't just like sit there and wait for it. Yes. So let's talk about your current solo trip. It's really amazing. And it's brave of you to do this. So I wanna ask why were you called to travel solo? Look. Thank he say it was lost. Yet to what's the end. I just really felt this energy, this coaling. I really knew how describe it, but I even told my dad about it that I felt twenty nine taint bay this year of more exploration and setting ADEMA conference in doing more spontaneous. Things just doing something be like, really mean because unless self relative to me of clothes, and then the idea just suddenly downloaded on the face of January this ya to do this trip because it something I it just felt so aligned. Really, really exciting and I want to travel the world more while I'm young, I guess you'd say I'm still young and just to explore more from my horizons and fully my dreams, my passions because I want to travel the world described traveling say now the pelvic time I had all the resources available. I'm able to an incredibly grateful. And I just took inside action really? It was a coaling being intuitive. Yeah. I think what's important is to listen to that calling. 'cause I'm sure every listener has that intuition, that caused them to do something, and they're like haw sounds like a great idea. But it's also sounds really scary. I don't know how I'm going to do it. So maybe I won't do it. You know, like people hold themselves sometimes so I just hope that your story inspire someone to just follow that calling. Yeah. Thank you. And I really hope that this inspires people as well to not let FIA excuses, get in the way, we all have fees, I still have his, but I just give it pal like life is life is a gift, a life is precious every single day, every moment, every breath, every heartbeat. It's a miracle, like how many people would love to live in other Tate? And when he just really appreciate this life, that, that at least LeMay really helps me to just let go of fees and. Just take action, just laying into it. Like, because if this just somehow doesn't lack out, I believe my success and Everton. I think everyone should have that belief. But if something happens, my, that's my thing, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter will people think letting your judgment as well. That's a big thing, just and just move on, like everything happens. So my ultimate high school that whatever happens, it's meant to happen for muscle a lesson to lend to see the lesson everything and yeah, I mean, it's life is simple. Just Cape laugh, simple, doesn't always main. It's easy, but it's simple. Yeah. I love that outlook. And I totally agree with you. So as you're traveling, you're also flogging. And of course, you're stole like working on your contact career. So what is your schedule like how much time do you spend to, like making videos versus just travelling and exploring? Yes, I guess he usually when I am traveling adn about going to need places L that I just let it really fun. And that's why also genuine. Shade my time in that L go exploring full day, the next day, I'll leave that to rested, reach eve night, and also edit my videos back in where I'm staying at. And that's also why I am I guess I'm staying fel a long period of time in each place. I biz as well just to allow myself ample time to not only travel and it really, really enjoyable also to work and to edit my videos, and not rushed because I realized looking back at my previous travels that I tended to rush, and that got me a little bit stressed just because I couldn't fit in the entertaining and all the traveling. Oh, yeah. It's really tiring to travel and after you're outdone exploring, you're tired. You know. It's hard to like edit in the evenings. So it's, it's interesting how you have like one day of travel, Wendy of working. Yeah. Yeah. Say just doing what a little of my shit, you'll being organized awesome. So now I'm going to move onto some Facebook questions that we got from our listeners in our Facebook group, cutters Zena asked. How do you stay true to yourself and your values what you have no choice but to be around people who have a bad influence on you? Maybe it's your family whose talk sick. I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that situation. Yes say, you can always stay true to yourself. That is a pal always have. And one else has the pallet tooth negatively affect you. If you don't choose to let affect you. And yes, of course, there is the like the energy around the influence, but you don't have to let it get to you. When you conscious that they are acting from the level of consciousness and yea- can essentially can choose to distant just self and create a space. Because he have you allowed to choose surround yourself with. But if they offer example, your family just night that no-one can make he ultimately feel settled, that's something that you can control within yourself. And you just keep being Ye so don't FIA judgement. If that you need to let go of the feel of not belonging, I guess that's the ultimate like pod, the human volume want to belong, and it's a K because someone else is. Accepting of you and loving eve, and realize the abundance of people in the world, and you can make defence around yourself be conscious to surround yourself with people hip nourish, who feed your soul and make you feel good spirit as he can love it. The next Facebook question is from Khalida. She asks, what were some limiting beliefs, you had to overcome traveling alone as a woman, and what are some recommendations for first time travel destinations for a single lady. I really have that many when it comes to travel, I just love it so much. But I had to think of one -ill probably have been that I wouldn't be safe. I guess that's the big one is level like safety, and I really just I become that by a reminding myself that all I'm always guided was protected by God, but also close being responsible for myself my actions and. Do do what feels right listening to my installation and doing the practical things like having contact numbers and getting a sim cod. Staying accommodation that feel safe and dressing to according similar to the local customs and yeah. Just always doing what feels safely until listen to Incheon, and what are your recommendations for women who want to travel alone for the first time? Oh, there are a lot of underfoot places in the whole series on that places out. Same. Because the news media, they can portray really negative things about countries. You just he have to go to a place to find out yourself currently based on my own experiences. And on the nine countries, I've traveled to out, say, Australia's very, very safe. China Japan Korea Poland. Taiwan Singaple Malaysia Indonesia. They're all say all the places I've been to in experiences very safe as the solo travel. That's good to hear. And I don't know if you want to mention you did get into like a motor accident. Right. Are you? Okay. Is I him? Life fell like actually crashed myself is mine response. Crashed it the wool and I still have a little scowl might yet have a remnant Scott. But that's okay, because it's just part of the beautiful life story. I know how you're so positive about everything. Like nothing gets to you. Well, yeah, I because there's nothing I can do about it and modest like, think pulsed is that it, it is beautiful? It's interesting. It's a conversation starter. And I'm well, I'm really grateful. I came out that a life because it isn't motorbike as my fist time priding on actually, and I learned to many lessons from it. Yeah. Yeah. But I think you mentioned that you had travel health insurance. Yes. Yes. That's very important travel. Always have insurance. Yes. So that's a recommendation to. All right. So moving onto our rapid fire questions that I ask every guest at the end of the show. Are you ready? Yes. Ready? Okay. Jasmine, what does your dream life? Look like much. Life is really just being happy feeling fulfilled. And ole sipping is giving us lungs. I'm giving giving something to someone I feel happy. And that's my train life. And also continuously manifesting my to size like somewhere to live. And yet job with the I love absolutely loved that cifs people helps people that's my dream wife and we have being surrounded by loving loving painful to awesome. It seems like you're living at now I'm really grateful. Yeah. Okay. So what is one book or resource that you recommend to? Everybody I would recommend the full agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz's. Yes. Yes, absolutely life changing, I ping. Oh, yeah. Definitely higher. Commend that. That's like one of my top three favorite books. Yes. This incredible. What does one habit that has changed your life meditation? And an image, people may say this, but it is absolutely just. Yeah. Very alive. Changing ice thought it. The Regula meditation practice towards early last ya. Yes, it just changed everything. Yeah. How long do you meditate for I piss late? Do it full ten minutes at a time. That's what I like. Okay, and do mornings or evenings or both generally mornings, but I can I see? All right. So what does the best life or career advice that you've ever gotten? Oh, the I've ever received the you'll sell and just a you follow your dreams. You'll passions heat decide touch. Haven, laugh without comparing to anyone else. Just do you fully you'll essence. Yes. So true. All right. Last one finish the sentence, the most amazing part about life. Is that every day is a gift, an everyday anything can happen. Everyday is a niche hands to start. Again, every moment is that life is a gift, life is precious amazing. Thank you so much jasmin. I love you. You're like so sweet. And how can our listeners find you online? You can connected me semi DM anytime. It's always pin on Instagram at jazz, lips. You can be like channel jasmine lips ga. And also I have a website where everything is they I have some blog posts as well. And my podcasts Tuesday, just Scott Cup. Awesome. Thank you so much. You'll welcome to say too. I lean just in angel. And if you're listening to this know that when you meet eilly in real life. She's so sleet as well and just an amazing. I hope you like that conversation with jasmine leap ska. I think she's the sweetest soul. And if there was one word, I would say to describe jasmine is just pure, she's just pure. And so now I just wanna share some takeaways that I got from our conversation. The first takeaway is how important it is to have a positive mindset and to work on it. Jasmine also dealt with self confidence self love issues, and she really transformed her mind through positive affirmations and learning about herself and all of these topics. And I just want to say that you have the power to choose your thoughts you might be saying that negative things to yourself. But you can choose to change those thoughts about yourself. Once you become aware of them, and this also applies to others around you. So there was that Facebook question on how to deal with people who are toxic or negative, and ultimately, it is your choice. Whether or not to let others affect you. So whether it's other people's judgment, what they say or just their negative energy. You don't have to let that in, you have the power to decide whether you want to let it or not. So once you can become positive, and have that mindset, you create this, like protective barrier around yourself that you only accept positive things, and things that support you and everything that does not support you, you can just like, shielded out. It's like that, quote, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. The next takeaway is on law attractions. Jasmine talk a lot about how she is so good at visualizing her goals, and they come true. But the most important thing is to always take inspired action. You have to believe that success is inevitable and just take action with the trust that the universe is going to help you and it's going to come to you what I really liked was. She doesn't like to set a deadline for. Her goals in? It's something that I've been taught in just like productivity books and things like that, to set a deadline, but it can feel really like stressful and limiting I love that she lets that go and simply just trust in divine timing because if you believe in the universe, and you trust and have faith in the universe, then everything that happens in your life is happening in it's perfect time. And everything that happens is what's meant to happen for you for your growth and for your journey. So if you truly can't believe in that then everything will happen for you in the perfect time, the last takeaway is a reminder to listen to your intuition, your heart and your calling. So jasmine is now on a solo trip around the world, and she's already been at it for seven weeks, which is incredible. And she just made the decision to go because she had this calling, she felt something in her pull her towards that. And. I've felt this calling in my life calling to start lavender, the YouTube channel and everything. And, you know, there could have been so many excuses that I would make like oh, it's too late to start YouTube, or I'm too old or blah, blah, blah, like there were so many like fears excuses around that calling. But ultimately the right thing to do is to listen to your calling. So if you have experienced having a calling being pushed or pulled towards a specific path, then really take action in that direction and have the faith that you have a calling for reason, and the universe is supporting you and everything will be okay. You know. All right. So I'll leave it at that love you guys so much, and I will talk to you guys in the next one. All right, that's it for today's episode. Thank you so much for listening to the lavender lifestyle, if you like this podcast, please show, your support by leaving review on itunes next. Make sure you check out the twenty nineteen artist of life, workbook and the daily planner by lavender on my website, lavender dot com slash shop. Lastly, you can catch on YouTube, and Instagram at lavender, where I have even more content for the artists of life, sending you so much love. Bye.
O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 22, 2020
"Bill O'Reilly here and I'm warming up stand by for the O'Reilly Update Morning Edition. But I if you're not worrying about our companies online presence you are falling behind so please contact geeks at gate town. USA Keith Town USA. Is Your last offer. Any website website search engine optimization or digital advertising need for your business let them develop a comprehensive digital marketing strategy. That will blow your competition away. Hey Visit Geek town. USA ONE WORD DOT COM and learn how you can get accustomed website started for only two hundred ninety nine bucks a month. That's Gig Town USA. I A. DOT com. So how about this feud between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton fresh off Elizabeth Warren back and forth. Now Hillary Clinton Clinton is going after Senator Sanders. So there's a new documentary about Mrs Clinton and in the documentary. She talks about Senator Senator Sanders because she was a senator a working with him and she says the following Bernie Sanders. Nobody likes him nobody. Nobody wanted to work with him. He never got anything done. And he doesn't like women and his staff doesn't like women and then the Hollywood a reporter who did an interview with Hillary Clinton said well what if he's a nominee will you support him and Hilary Lindh said. I don't want to go there yet. Hey Hilary you can't support them all right. That ship has left the pier. So what's this all about. I Know Hillary Clinton a little bit and I know this. She doesn't do anything on planned. There's no spontaneity. She's going after Bernie Bernie Sanders for a reason. But I don't know what that reason is. I do know that some very powerful Democrats do not want want Sanders as Democratic nominee believing you'll get crushed by donald trump now is that a factor in Hillary Clinton's broadside against Senator Sanders again. I don't know but this is a very interesting. Turn of events a Bernie Bernie Watch your back now this. Are you ready to lead an active balanced life with Michael Phelps swim SPA by master. Spas you can exercise exercise and relax without leaving home the year round pool alternative features adjustable swim current and massage jets for ultimate wellness master. SPAS SPAS is now offering fifteen hundred bucks off a Michael Phelps swim spa so please go to Michael. PHELPS SWIM SPA DOT COM slash bill. Save Save fifteen hundred dollars at Michael. PHELPS SWIM SPA DOT COM slash bill. That is the morning O'Reilly update more analysis later on.
Doing it In-Camera with OMNI, by Lensbaby!
"Hey folks this interview it's all about Lynn's baby and their new Omni product. Hey we'll come back to another episode of this week and photo of your host. Frederik van Johnson. Today on the show. I have a friend of Mine Mr Craig Strong. He's been on the show before. And if you do remember his past appearances on twit you'll know that he is the chief creative officer and a CO founder of a company called. Lynn's baby they make some some pretty cool light bending tools the latest of which is the Omni series of products. So we're GONNA talk about those today and before we do Craig. We sort of give us the Reader's Digest version of Lens. Baby you've been on before so most people know all about Lindh's baby but for the folks that may not what is Lindsay Baby. Good to be back Frederick. Thanks for having me here. Let's see so lens. Baby makes creative affects camera accessories now but previous to that it was just lenses and So but everything we do helps you find your creative voice and does so in a way that his little little different than a traditional lens manufacturer accessory manufacturer. So you guys. You guys are creating You know that's obviously Lind's baby but you do some different things and one of the things we talked about. I think in the first interview with you was the U. combating sort of the idea that these types of accessories lenses can't be used for professional level worker repeatable level war. Where can you talk to that a little bit for? We dive into the Omni. Well when when I started Lens Baby I was a professional photographer and I I had come through newspapers to start shooting commercial and weddings and whatnot. And so I I kind of had a small view of what Lens Baby could be in terms of what I was using it for. I was using it for detail photos at weddings shooting in moments. That were happening. When when I'd gotten all the safe images that I that I wanted to get That that the clients expected but what happened was once we introduced the Lens Baby. It started being used for really serious. Work photo journalism. Which I I wouldn't have thought But it's really been our customers and the photographers out there. That have have gotten the lens baby products in their hands and on their cameras that have really defined what can be done and it's pretty limitless and and it's Kinda blown me away 'cause like I said I had a pretty small perspective of you know this is. This is something that Would would be done for fun. Would be done to to reignite your creative juices and both those things are true but then it's also used to create unique imagery for your clients and which client isn't. GonNa Choose the TAGA FOR THAT. Gives them the most creative work? That's GONNA stand out pretty much most of them so any of them that. I want to work for it's cool. It's cool all right. We'll get so let. Let's switch gears and talk about this new thing. So thank you for sending these over so I can get a look at these that I've got to well made with feels like felt and Velcro in in hand stitched with leather on them. Sort of things in my hands. I'll tell us about this product in the inception of the product. So the Omni. What is it so the Omni filter is a product that that I've got one right here that allows me to Put various things in front of the Lens and currently. We've got This right here is the what do we call it the Rainbow Film? And that's going to give you some streaky rainbow things going on you can see that reflections combined with The Transmitted Rainbow that you see from up above All sorts of stuff going on so This is this is one. That's great on phones and whatnot. But you know these little tiny lenses like I've got my laptop They'll tend to show the edges and whatnot so That would be a different product in a different time but right. Now we've got it for interchangeable lens cameras anything with with filter threads on it So yeah it's the the ring right here screws onto the front of your your Lens. We've got a fifty eight millimeter and that has accessory on sorry step up rings For our step yeah step up rings for fifty five fifty two and forty nine that come along with it and then we have a larger one. You can see here on my eighty five that This this is a seventy seven and it has a step down ring to eighty two and Step up rings from Seventy to sixty seven and sixty two so yeah so we got everything covered. Basically you know but the idea here is that you can. You can position the things that you're shooting through. We've got a triangle prism here on a handle. You can position it wherever you want and leave it there with both hands. Free to shoot While you're taking your pictures and not have to hold it in place in the exact same spot where you want it for every image which isn't very practical and can you. Can you talk a little bit about the design? Because when I when I picked it up the photos on the website do it do it a fair amount of justice but actually holding those those little. What do you? What do we call them? What's the word for those those little Caesar Affect ones and they're making net in the arm is like a ball and socket magnetic? That's attached? Can you go through the the inception of analysts? So let's let's get down to its basics here we've got The ring which comes with a step up bring so it'll go on any of your Any of your lenses most interchangeable Lens Lenses that? Are you know not one hundred twelve millimeter diameter which were working on as well We'll work with it and then we've got These magnets here which you can just put your affect one's directly on Or You you can put an extension arm which allows you to articulate that and have a little more three-dimensional control so you can put it. The the magnets will be off to the side. And you can put that down at the bottom. Without having to slide anything. Around although these magnets slide slide around and give you lots of freedom so we got a long arm and a short arm so You can get up to four accessories on at once the way it's equipped so you can put one down straight on the magnet on the ring and then Two Arms. You're you're set to go. That is cool school. So then what what? Part of that is magnetic is the ball. That's magnetic or the the socket so it's the socket that's magnetic so we've got these Hollow counter sunk magnets and at the bottom of those magnets We've we have Attention which allows you to get nice solid tension so it's not going to move around accidentally And then the same is true out at the end. Where you've got magnets out at the end of the arm and Yeah it's it's a nice kit at the The idea came from From a lot of our customers using the prisons and holding things Plastic bags whatever in front of their in front of their lenses. It's been out for you know it's probably since the beginning of time looking through something to create more interest But then to to look through something that is is specifically designed and tailored to do to create Lots of different effects. In fact what we've got right here is a prism. Prism gives you three different ways to as you rotate it gives you different perspectives Because it's three different angles that were working with Looks like we've got a ninety degree thirty degree and a sixty degree and that might not be true because I'm not. I just play an engineer on TV. And but as you turn it you get what what you would normally get. With a triangle. Prison would be three sixty degree angles that that would give you your effect and as you turn it you get the same effect at each at each spot with this when you get a different effect and you know we so we're coming into it. Purposefully like we do with our Lens Design and saying okay. How can we make this as versatile as possible? Yeah no that's fantastic and the inception of it like in the beginning was from customer input and just sort of like you said when you develop the company when you when when the epiphany came it was based on real world challenges. And how do I get from here to here? You guys were looking at. Hey people are sticking stuff in front of the cameras and let's act that easier and a little bit more repeatable right. Yeah and and a lot of our ideas have come since that original Mechanical Invention I had which was to be able to tilt your Lens Even even what? Lens we put in that original ends baby. Those ideas came from the Beta testers at the time and then our customers. So it's really important for me especially now that I'm not a professional photographer. that that we're paying attention to what what our users and what people that are attracted to create a photographer doing. Yeah no very cool very cool so then so looking at these the these little ones who came up with the idea for each piece of ease in his or is this sort of the beginning because of their six out now right so is this the beginning of a long line of different light so you basic basic package and then there's an extension package take me through how you you have that setup so when you buy into the system you get a A The ring which I showed you that screws onto the onto the camera and it comes with the Mounts for the magnets in the arms And the ones to go onto it. It comes with three different accessories that are are in this front pouch I showed you already the the other Ohio. I showed you something I shouldn't showed you earlier but so this is a different rainbow film in the current pack. That comes with your system and so you get three different effects affect ones and then you get the extension arms. Which allow you to articulate those into just about any spot that you want so And like I just spilled the beans on. We have another effect kit that So these these two just velcro right together. So you get a system that you can just slide down in your briefcase or in your backpacker or camera bag and this comes with three slots In that a larger slot that we can can put even more stuff in there will be more stuff that are going to have your various affect one's in it and so that's the expansion is is to buy three more effect. Wants the the original kit the base kit with the Rings and the step up rings and it comes with a filter wrench in case anything might get screwed onto tightly That comes That's sold for one hundred dollars. Currently and the expansion kit is sold for fifty and Those will be depending on how many things and and the complexity of the products that we put in there will be various prices. But you know that's that's the to start pieces that we've got out right now very those. Those are available now and if people want to buy them they can lind's baby dot com or dot com. Where else where else are they available? So Ad Aram Being H. If you're overseas look look on our website and find the stores that you can go. Go Buy them at distributors. That's cool. Well one one thing. I wanted to chat about briefly was the just say. Kudos on the packaging speech. It feels I could see. I could feel Craig strong here stored of fit and finish and the attention to detail. And even the thoughtfulness of the Velcro on the back so you can put together and the bank that process was you know yeah obviously the winds themselves worse over the piff. Any of the market needs this. And how do I get this the packaging and the overall delivery of the product where you can easily just said hey here? It is in Styrofoam or plastic and pop them out and go have that it can figure. Just throw them in your camera bag but you went with this so what what was the mindset behind that so so. I'd had a case for my kindle that was was very similar and I just liked carrying it around so for me that that you know the tactile feel of the felt and the nice thick material I liked it and so so. That's where we started. I gave it to my team. And they pretty much came up with this. You know. We had the requirement that it it not been so it has a backbone on either end or on either side that keep it from bending so that you're not gonna quite so easily break your your Your ones if you put them in it in a bag that's a little too full And then you know it's just a matter of developing the the number of pockets and everything fitting but Yeah we had a great supplier that that worked with us and and gave us what we needed. Its manufacturing is a completely. This was something new for us. We'd never worked with We'd never worked with You know really having a case for a product that was necessary because a Lens. You put it in your camera bag. And and we could provide a little micro fiber bag or not and it didn't it wasn't that big of a deal But with these things. These don't have a home there. There's no camera bag that that's tailored to fit your Omni filter and so we needed to give you something that was complete and I wanted it to be something that you you know before you open it you like it. I love that I love that. Does that mean maybe? The next logical step for Linda baby is to move into that camera bag accessory market. Maybe there's there's certain companies that has proved that there's oil in them hills that's true and and we partner with those companies to get some things done i. I love having wonderful partners in the market and not not having competition with you know. A few few exceptions allows us to work with other lens makers allows us to work with camera bag makers and whatnot. I think we'll probably stick to to what we do best. We have good. That's refreshing to hear. You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA focus on making this thing the best that could possibly be versus. Yeah Hey let's diversify and see how much of the Pie we can take. It's it's fantastic. Well and you know I gotTa say think tank. I don't know that I would would Presume that I could do something better than they do. Everything I've had of there has been fantastic so yeah no no for sure for sure. So that's the that's the Omni line and again congratulations. It's it's fantastic you. It's it's well made in. It has a permanent place in my bag. So many things get get that so you know when when you know you know the saying so can I ask you a question? Yes sir. So so what? What was the criteria for you? That made it. Take a permanent place in your bag after. I don't know we can have two weeks of us. Well the first first and foremost I guess would be the packaging so it felt like it wasn't a okay. Let me rearrange my entire load out to fit this thing in there. Because you know if you're anything like me everything has its place in the bag and introducing new citizens in there could be a big deal but the way that you guys ended over it was like okay. It can go exactly right there. Stay there and I am moving into doing some experimental type portraiture and that sort of thing so this couldn't have come at a better time for me to start experimenting with awesome to lives in the bag. I get to play with it. You know I get the pepper. The chief creative officer with questions about what? So this upgrade the this is the latest sort of Lens baby stepping outside the box products. What about traditional if as much as you could say Liz babies traditional the traditional product line? Are we going to see any changes there anytime soon that you can speak to? So we're still working on lenses. And that's that's our our life-blood here because You know that we've learned that and that's our craft and and we we find that the the lenses that are out there in the market tend to be very sterile and so when someone wants something even even the on quote Unquote Art Lenses are pretty much perfect and so to be able to go. Go back in time Or or to you know. Go forward in time to something. That really has a specific effect. That's intentional a lot of the older ones as you can get to have an unintentional effect. You know you're using a lens. It was meant to go on sixteen millimeter film and now using on full frame. So you get all this craziness and weirdness What we're doing is we're taking Orlands designed knowledge. And we're saying we we want to get. We're going to intentionally give you the things that that are possible to click. That are interesting that that you may connect with. Not Everything is going to be something that that somebody that wants to do. Something creative with their their camera is going to connect with but you know for instance with our trio lens the it has three different effects. And and you just turn the Lens on your meritless camera. And it's like a turret and you can go between velvet getting beautiful velvety glow over the tax sharp detail and it does some crazy things to the highlights To Swirl where you get pets full effect especially at the closer focus when you've got a detailed background and then the classic Lens Baby Look which is one area of sharp focus and gradual blurs. You move away from that. So we're all about saying okay. We're going to be intentional about what we bring you. It's not going to be an accidental effect. We're we'RE GONNA make the most of it and we're going to make it as variable as possible. So that's that's our our life-blood and Intel Everybody's shooting exclusively with an iphone And and you know our lenses. Don't make sense there. Everything's computational photography essentially We're we're GONNA continue to give a those who who want to be part of the process of making their images And to do that intentionally. We're going to give them more options than a normal lens. Maker is GonNa make is going to give them. I love that very well said I think I think you're you're safe. Because the the analog world of of image making versus the computational photography digital side yeah there's the overlap is getting thicker but I don't see the analog bending light side going away anytime so yeah that's it's still quite exciting. It's just like you said picking up. The case was important to you. It's it's you carry your phone around. It becomes normal. I want I want something that is magic. And and if it's all hidden behind hidden in bits and and something that I can't even influence other than just choosing a filter that for me. There's there's a bit of the soil that's gone so I if I can hold something that's actually bending the light a certain way and be part of that process. That's more exciting for me. And that's that's the customer and the photographer that we want to serve love. It love it good Craig. Thanks a ton for coming on again. I always appreciate and love chatting with you. You're the one of the original photo. Preneurs bill that I had a great idea how to improve the way people that make images make those images implemented and here we are. How many years later since Since you started six sixteen years sixteen years later still still finding new ways to been light. I love and I was inspired. I'll say a shoutout to Ernie Fan. Who really inspired me. He he was one of the founders of Stephan products and that was the Light diffuser through the eighties and probably bought ten of them at. You know twenty bucks a piece each time. I said that's a lot of money. But it's worth every bit you know and I want to him early on and said Ernie how do I do this? And he was a huge help for me But you know there's there's a great long tradition in this in this market of people working together and helping other people to To make make businesses that serve other photographers. It's it's a great space. I love it I love it. Well you're welcome on this. We can photo anytime whenever you guys introduced new and exciting ways to been light. Let us know Crab Frederick. No it's always a pleasure. Always a pleasure Craig. Strong I will let you go off to go with my little. Omni products over here. All right I'll keep you posted. I'll put some images and you can critique me in the pictures already creeks dunk. Take care of him.
UN demands UK withdrawing from the Chagos Archipelago
"Today provide you with indepth news and heads for the malices telling the who story hump. Big. You the news. You want to know on today. The UN general assembly demands, the UK was drawing clone, you stray, shin from the chuckles, archipelago, China and veils, preferential tax policies for integrated circuit and software companies latest on Brexit, fresher, rose on Prime Minister Theresa may to quit it deepening. Diplomatic row, the Philippines threaten to dump rubbish backing Canadian waters and fief drops plan for a forty eighteen World Cup in twenty twenty two. You're listening to world today, a news program with a different perspective. I am sweet in coming our, we're bring you in depth analyses of these news. And other stories we've been following the listen to this episode again, we're catch up on previous episodes. You can download our podcast by searching for world today. The UN general assembly has adopted a resolution demanding. The UK was draw is clue obstruction. From the chuckles, archipelago unconditionally within a period of no more than six month the resolution which received one hundred sixteen votes enables Marissa's do decolonize his territory as rapidly as possible, the United States has defended the UK's control of the archipelago, where there is an American military base. The group of islands in the Indian Ocean was cut off from ratios in the run-up to independence in nineteen sixty five the UK has retained position the islands ever since. Well Marissa's has continued to claim sovereignty over them, the international court of Justice in Fabry handed, Mauritius victory when he said that Britain had illegally split the islands and should surrender control. So now being with us is Alicia Muller door a journalist of Alexis immoral. So Mr. melador. Thank you, very much for join us I double about this a vote at the UN general Semneby observers say the scale of the defeat for the UK and the US came as a surprise, even to Mauritius. So in general, what can we tell from the result about how the international community views of this issue? Good afternoon, everybody. I missed that it was greedy Bri forty dollars when we do, because we had first is Lucien, which gave us the follow who bring debris that you should be the national of Justice. So once we got let me Shen always allusion to go to these national of bad. They soup the issue was dated, and it was even then they say that. Yeah. Malicious regains covering e of the is to be just to end or thirty year UK had on African countries. So I get the international communities that everybody understands that finally the end of Cornelis malicious didn't happen. Mauritius skied of pure colonize. Keep the charges in the British and so the issue is now. She's enti screen ura and give buck shock devotion and lose countries. Agreed that that's why wanted country of the United Nations voted for this person, we know resolutions of from the UN general semblance are known binding. So how much practical impact does this resolution half. Has the kind of moral. Follow says ain't the national of Justice is the highest of Justice in word. Agreed that moisture games over sixty five violent of the Bill, so thin and then the US the event of the great defenders advocates of human rights to be now they should not the holdings and national community agrees that malicious regains over and over sixty five. They should try to respect this of international of this, anything subhuman, right? It was the home of people should be able to go back to their didn't whom then talking about taking back sovereignty of from the perspective on ratios and also withdraws clo- new ration- from the perspective of the UK, if it's being put on process, what's needed to be. Done here because I guess it's more complicated than just a power transfer right? They're not the US has many things in the main island of the results. Called or so what we agree that they could keep the military things on defining. But it hugs to be up until agreement we have to negotiate on that issue. So we are okay, the military, the military base stay there. But we have shared that the euro, the hands did is also dot the people who, who had to move from their homes. They should be granted on back to the island. It should be granted doctors bus to their land, and they should be able to go and leave their gear. And then it will he will be emotion. Sovereignty Moshe street has lotion than mentioned by about how to do the waste before what we should do there and one motion school should be no more then. So how do you see the impact and also the general significance of all this, like from the highest court of the UN system? And also this time the resolution. Of the UN general assembly. All of this on the UK. Yeah. Yeah. I now that you feel safe that they don't agree that they have different shots of finally, they are now facing the whole world. I mean, once did Steen countries including China agreed that we should respect the decision of the national goal of Justice. We should respect the heightened sense, but he's like the national courts of Justice to now. It's up to, you case is sure that they believe in laws, believing demographic laws these in human rights. They should now shoot. To what extent, they also case of these kinds of rights and all international law. So still about the UK government do thing Brexit could be an another element in this, when the UK government consider what he should do next because maybe there'd be there will be less support from the European Union. Yeah. That's kind of the game because our farming countries of European Union voted for malicious any games the UK throughout some point. I think that Brexit should be also considered there. We can see that many. You European configure no more backing United Kingdom in the world. And either we can see now that the urine United stating that defense from what the affairs or shoes. Is a fun. The United now that I think the prime minister of invent has much to do with whether do random on the UK, they are not on Ishaga issue because kind of under the ratio, and then because the headlines are about Brexit, and now they're coming about human-rights with recycling such good. Yes, this is not very bright for the United Kingdom. And by the way, could you give us a little bit more background knowledge here? Like, how did did she juggles issue start in the first place? And why it's a controversial like we understand there are groups of loco people who are relocated back then that's another point he right? The Republic of Mauritius can prizes of many islands marisha recreate silent. But Guidon and if we get that. Research such belong to lotion, territory, when we had to deal for having our independent, in the nineteen sixties, the UK argue that is what to be granted independence. We had to get something in return and what they wanted in return. Well, two key, the sixty five island of which is incensed, according to work inequity, beagle. Because you cannot bulking to end Coronel. It was a decision taken by the United nation of thirty second World War, and they had to do, but he couldn't growing, but they decided that to, to gain independence, we had to give them the shock with us to and for us, it was like had no choice. It was whether to having and then or not the back and the Mauritian labour. I agreed to the ballgame and the people of the other the different island. What just all lease? One night is it was a bad thing where they had signed by want. It's just done. Overnight is where the people had to leave their homes where the father went to share about what we should like. You're trying to UK. It was a you money here. In case there was. And it has to be everything. They're they're, they're belonging to the bus how the fourth and fifth century these years. And I like every year, the tribe any saying that you gave the United States against buck. There's not supposed to be, and also the media was that you can't US were one of the at the US could happen every day on British army third or spirit. And in return that you gave with get good. Bye. From the United States about how it was done. And we, we knew the mouth leaves another regional country is one of the, the country's back the United Kingdom actually the mouth. Leave says the resolution is not good idea since there could be serious implications for the security of the Indian Ocean reaching how justifies their concern. According in me. Issue is the off Mike now by the signs of the United States, tracing asylum, for Indian Ocean region was goes, wall, or through, we had that US saw one side. You not to. Not to get seventeen. And having office I in South Asia, we generation borders that he hours of security reason then when you was give us laws if they're gonna work. Very physically threats might now this argument, according to me, then only certain berries or him being shit. Thank you very much miss melador for join us this evening. Talk about this issue that was shot melador, journalist of lex breasts in Mauritius will retire in about a resolution from you in general semi and demanding the UK was fro as clone Neo on immigration from the chuckles archipelago, and conditionally within a period of no more than six months. The resolution receive one hundred sixteen votes in Naples, Mauritius duty colonize territory as rapidly as possible, the US, Hungary, Israel, Australia and amount, Eve's back, the UK fifty six countries up staying, including France, Germany, Netherlands, and some other European allies other European countries including Austria, Greece Ireland Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. They voted for the UK to relinquish sovereignty. That's take a short break here coming up China and veils preferential tax policies for integrated circuit and software companies. You're listening to world today. With us. What matters to China, increasingly matters to the world. Keep up to date with the latest news events about the middle kingdom with a China plus app up to the minute reports live streaming audio insightful opinion on everything China related facts figures, and language learning resources at your fingertips, everything, and focus all in one place. Search for China plus in the app store or Google play where come back. Thanks for joining us. You are listening to world today. China's minister finance said firms engaged in integrated, circuit, design, and software development, will be exempt from income tax in the first two years. She they were profitable before the end of twenty eighteen the professional policy aims to give a boost to the development of companies in these sectors from the third year of the income tax for those for those companies will also be half to twelve and a half percent. From twenty-five percent, the more or less gel young talk with jungle professor with the university of international business and economics, and yell shoot chunk will professor of economics and tweeting university. So John, first of all, Hannah's ministry of finance said the firms engage in icy design and software development will be exempt from the income tax in the first two years if they were profitable before the end of last year. So how do you explain this policy? And how can the icy actor benefit from Texas? Sumptious. Clear that, you know, this, China's government maters apple tried to help with the icy industry, and this areas real. No, it's typically lagging behind United States. And this is a critical sector where China is very much exposed to some of them quite meniscus actions from the United States government targeting Chinese companies. And the I think right now trying to sell them intense to help the industry to develop quickly. I think it's a waste against the time and the tower authority exemption of income taxes, as one of the mash, I'm pretty sure there other measures on join bullet that they come and can do, but, you know, sense of Osho signal that China needs to be developing its own indigenous. I team the ice seem this rate. Socials. Yeah, what do you think about this exemption of the income tax of the IC design sector? I think it is a very good initiative in posible you coming little too late. And, and it could be even more generous in terms of the tax dozen given the, the serious situation for his by the I in the top meshes implemented by the US, which is highly antagonized, basically a war situation, rather than just some conviction. So time I have to depends on his won't technology innovation although China. It's necessary to close door. I think that still be open. But the basic technology to be based on the domestic soil, and China now have the capacity to do so. So he. But it may take some time. So. Yeah. Actually talking about the latest development for while way media reports say the British chip designer M halted relations with quality to comply with a US, blockade of the company and Japan's Panasonic released a statement on is trying to website, claiming it's continues to supply while way as normal. And this is actually followed in earlier statement from the company saying it had stopped the shipments of certain components who always, so what do you make offer? All this latest news of our, what does it tell us and how we're to all this impact? Wow way. Well, I think it's very clear that this company on the pressure from the United States comment people in the US government, especially in intelligence community, specially the defense community who are bent on destroying quality. I mean, they have been going after hall we go so many as over tacky school is twenty twelve already congressional healing. A hallway and all of these athletes, tighter, towards this particular company, which has been the tackle successful on the telecom English veteran, crimen arena? It have made a several US companies went bankrupt or sewed. So these people are, you know, have in my opinion, they have a personal vendetta against while we and of course, there's also hot off a I think it's also part of a political play by President Trump. I think he's trying to use this as a bargaining chip betrayed war against China, and these sealer series of flats to the very existence is accompanying while wait. I think it every day, it's streaming difficult to the impacting, the jenner's to entirely essentially all cocky, in every aspect. And this is a tributary coat. I mean, even though how is exceptionally great company. This be, you know. Petting for something like this for some time, and they've been trying to develop their own technologies that chips and other things. But, you know, in today's world where you have a highly highly integrated business environment, especially attack communist, this division of labor division of technology, and you want to replicate all of these things on your own. It's extremely difficult. I think while he company Casseus for some time. But so says it's against time, I think whether it can diversity things within, you know, most to is, that's still a question and social, what do you think does the Trump administration wants from, you know, follow as is a card played by them for the trade talks, or is it, the, the Trump administration just won't contain while is development of five O you know while rising as a great company. No. I think everything is wrong. I think the target of the Trump administration in United States is no quality, China. While we just a just one of the typical example in the most sensitive company because it is, the, the most successful technology company in the only mostly sexual to know these companies so by hitting hallway would have the most powerful and damaging effect on China and, and, and USC pass on power. There are many other company already listed, by the United States. They be more come. So, yeah. John, what I a little bit. I think it's well, first of all, I don't think the United States government is, is it's one piece thing moving in unity. I mean, certainly different opinions within the Trump administration agree. That people in administration, I think, especially people like you know, Peter Navarro jump turn these people very narrow minded in some way. I think all warmongers, they probably have some thoughts like, what prevents describing, but I think that other people in a ministry Shen that have a more sort of opinion sanity and, and they're targeting while we particularly because exceptionally gray twenty it's been reading in five technology and five is critical to the United our agree with that. But I think probably too early to rush the ingredient that tire China is on trumping board is the target of the United States government. I think their sleeve on this issue we have to pay for the wall. Great now that I agree. I, I think, of course, if I'm you know, I think the devoting undergoing poisoning petition because of trade war daddy's from now on, I think when. Finishing idea of global value chains idea of companies working together special complications industries. I think this whole idea shattered. Everyone is now going back to the old office buildings to design things for themselves to pay for the was. So I think that's very, very bad thing. I think that day of internationally crop would it work in the industry is totally, then I agree. We have to prepare for the worst. Jan fan. Finance minister says that, while we can participate in the establishment of the country's five G networks. So what does it tell us as so while we still a very good choice on the global market, right? All we can pull a half the cost for this team in fighting unit or even less. So I if from the pure economy efficiency point of view, I think far away, is not the, the front lawn mower better than any company in the world. And this is why Donald Trump is so chilies about our because by hitting while we pettily would allow some US company to become dominant in, in the front, one to the United States under Donald Trump is not allowing any non US company to be the fun one, because they want to enjoy the highly profitable monopolistic perfect for the nation. I agree with the statement, the other half I did a back to the because there are no American telecom. Equipment companies targeting Inc the telecom infrastructure market right now. There's no no Merican companies doing that business anymore used to be loosened. Lucile later was so certain merged with architecture was so to know Kim in the telecom infrastructure side, countered, only five benders, one is to Chinese, we, as, you know, is, and the tea and way, and then there's no care. It's a Finnish company, and then Alex zone is a Swedish company and then stem cell, and that's these by companies in the infrastructure business. So, so, I think I've seen a lot of people talking about dig- even American experts. I've seen CNN talking about, you know, the, the targeting while way because it's a choice, but you Martin company probably company. But the fact of matter is. No matter companies option there's no option at all. Well, it's targeting far away. It's not just the technical infrastructure isn't. It's also the mobile technology like mobile phone, which is, is a noisy business. It's a major competitive for I for iphone. Yeah. But that's a market that is a lover much under the control of the American, the US government, and while we still series handsets in repeal market. In other parts of the world. The, the more important is the telecom, the whole argument about hallways. Women can be used cannot be used his own of other killer, Mark, you know, where they the, the ram product can be used really our cars can be used would it can be used in a cornet work? These old equipments used telecom infrastructure about it. So, so when we talk about while we as an option for the US carriers school for other carriers around the world, we're really talking about the infrastructure crimen. These are the things like base stations, switches, antennas databases, and Sygma network, these kind of things not so much about him. And it was jungle professor with the university of international business and economics and yell shoot tear chunk professor of. Comics at twenty university. Speaking with Joe young coming up latest Brexit pressure gross on Prime Minister Theresa may, to quit, a deepening diplomatic row of the Philippines threatens to dump rubbish back in Canadian waters and fee foot drops plan for a forty eighteen World Cup in twenty twenty two so far this hour. The UN general, Sambo demands, the UK was throwing on instruction from chuckles, archipelago, China and veils preferential tax policies for integrated circuit and software companies. 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Keeping you well, informed up to date, and the head of the news. You're listening to world today. I'm sweet time for global survey will take a look at what's happening around the world. Here's Patrick Flannery in Asia Pacific, more asylum seekers sent overseas by Austrailia since the election are now attempting suicide fishing is banned in Bangladesh for the next two months. A restriction that is already affecting jobs in Africa, selling or even carrying a plastic bag in geria- now carries a three year. Prison sentence elephant hunting is legal again in Botswana home to the world's largest population about five thousand more US troops could be headed to the middle. East amid tensions with Iran? Staying in our on children. There will witness the demise of Israel in the US, according to the supreme leader in Europe eight police officers are convicted of kidnapping eight young, black people in Lisbon, Portugal. 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Andrea lesson resigned from the government over her latest proposal, which guarantee workers rights and vote on whether Brexit should go to a second referendum, the chairman of the powerful conservative nineteen twenty two committee, which can make what break prime ministers says may is scheduled to meet with the group on Friday. To discuss her leadership. Now we have Martin Smith head of the department of politics at university of York. How likely are really going to see prime minister May's departure this week as many media reports suggested yes, is very strong tone will resulting at some point every weekend, possibly want the European that she's our notes. But maybe beforehand is starting to tonight because of the sleigh. She's keeping by quiet about it and talking about the latest high profile resignation from her cabinet, who is Andrea lease them. And why did her resignation put a lot of pressure on the prime minister aren't there? She sees a very senior Cup of administration. The leader of the has Komen's she had a key realm intensive presents Alexa, flight shifts. And I think the fact that she resigned because she didn't accept the. It is very significant to tonight. And the cost of the problem is this on the dishes, after a whole range of different resignation, and it's becoming increasingly difficult, in misses many to find people to fill these paste and aids justify the styling of diminishing authority in media reports say a prime minister may Awin, meet a powerful conservative committee called nineteen twenty two committees. So could you tell us more about this committee report say as kind of decision maker of leadership? They conservative party. Well nineteen twenty two committee is essentially the committee of 'em pays all MP's from the school college limited. It's more of that can give its opinion about certain things. But the average whoever does have power is that it does control the room over the election of the policy leader that in principle, the ninth. Twenty two. Could change the rules in Detroit hours another confidence in the communist. So I think the way in which to confuse panel is that if MRs may doesn't resembling shortly, they could actually change rooms and resigned. So now if the prime minister quit who are the possible candidates to replace her, and how do they see Brexit? Well, yes. That's a very big question there, that, that seems to be a lot of kinds, I to place. Mrs may Coosa people are still in mica guy, Vanja lets herself estimate by you know there, there are considerable. A most of them in interesting that have taken a position, increasingly taking a position. That's quite hotline Brexit. I mean, they're all something like I'm Barack is a potential of he won't. At the purpose of Brexit today of the kind of physicians themselves. Because I think that they need to get the vote, so conservative members on the conservative membership is hotline on Brexit. So after this leadership reshuffle, what could be the, the possible scenarios after this of because the whole process is still there. Well, I think it's really problematic. Actually, I think that I think they, they is very significant crisis in the to replace that, that's no agreement to leave the European you used this, Nick bench to agreement have been at the same time of, of the government seems to collapse. And on top of that individual elected indication that, that will give them the majority to get agreement through the has to we stuck his position that everybody come to agreement about how European and it's not clear, howling. Considered to prime minister actually change that situation. Prime minister may suggested in her latest proposal that there could be another referendum at do think that would be a good idea. Every field. Anyway results. But that y'all realistic allies have general chin could change the thousand. Two thousand and is only if you like. I think that would fifteen that crazy, plus you can, if you have an election, the other oxidizing rented the problem that restaurant if the referendum still comes out to me, appropriate time. It's the wrestling rejected. You still have the country that, that would be expensive by day which. This week, British voters are heading to elect lawmakers for the European parliament, you mentioned of Faraj his Brexit party as well ahead in oppose to what does this mean for the UK and also for the European parliamentary elections? Interesting because everything. It is immoral. One of the reasons behind you Mitch decision to lead to. Depended. That decision with the class, and I think many, I used to about rejection of valve come just thinking about me. And I think what we've seen since out referendum is. The failure of the class because the kids, 'cause actually hits the money is whether slave will consist of. The people there as probably issue, politically. In a relationship. That stunt they pay more even. The kids cost. And then again. And, and in this vicious circle that people are shifting certain people to pay for Spanish impasse to the mall. You said. Kids. So looking back so far. How do you think Brexit, has been changing the political landscape of the UK? What is it that I could maybe I can say? Vanish into Lynn. That is supposed to. And so, I think I don't hip lecture. Shift, the Vikings ability Democrats in committee. And then the case posse of limits. They should divide. Passy healthy living that, that actually. Of some of that will cut back, Jim election. But what the whole process is done really only control politic and creativity. A big as between by in the policy when ask question stew about the European parliamentary elections, we talk about the domino effect of Brexit, like whether more countries will follow suit. And what about now after people witnessing the prolonged process? How do you see the Brexit adamant in the European elections in UK, hopefully they're the rolling country against too, because I that? Is that typically? Go ahead. The hand supporting the populace cure skeptic coffee in countries. Astray a. Italy. To some degree by you know what I really stay on increasing that support that I, I miss you. Mistake me going away, and was professor Martin Smith. Head of the department of politics at university of York when we're talking about the latest development surrounding Brexit, Stu come a deepening diplomatic row, the Philippines threatening to dump rubbish back in Canadian waters. You are listening to world today. I'm sweet. We've back in a minute. From breaking news and stories that matter to you find us on Twitter by searching for China, plus news, where we'll share with you are up to the minute use in depth analysis and live streaming videos. Visit China plus news for your window on China and the. You've been listening to world today, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte e has water his government to send sixty nine containers of garbage back to Canada and abandoned rubbish in country's waters of Canada refused to accept it. The two countries have been at all over the ways to Canada sent to the Philippines five years ago, which included household trash diapers and plastic bottles. Manila says the trash was Raleigh classify plastic scraps while the can't it can Canadian side says his government did not consent to the transaction Canada miss Manila's deadline earlier this month to take back the trash and response to Philippines, withdrew top diplomats from Canada, now being with us on the lying as Herman laurel the founder of the Philippine bricks strategic studies group, a think tank on Philippine in global affairs as mission laurel, and Canada, we know ready agree to take the rubbish back. So the thing seems like they are not really doing that. So the flip side cannot wait anymore. Thank you are leaving not chance to reports are usually on. It's not their president expense base crustacean, because this problem has being stuff for six years. It goes back. And shipments of who big shipment. Several slowed almost fifteen Shiffman, fifty containers that have been a shipping company, a company that does not contain person. The station and these has been going back and forth, and Canada in the past few years has been saying they have no pushy sipping kinda so president and department phone search here have been make some statements like this leading war on kind of over this garbage issue just to call attention of Canada. And of course, world so well Canada has promised to take it back. So there is a deadline for tuna Bashir or the city, but nothing kind of. So that's just that's just right now. And I think the Philippines is taking spelling Stein here because of the awareness now in the gnashing of the they all these garbage come in, and also because economic development in the country, which evening. Hire this along, which is incorporates in China are really bringing in a lot of elements and the country that we no longer need such kinds of business garbage importation, and so on. So beyond this specific case and the police and between the Philippines and Canada in general, how big is trashing a problem for the Philippines nowadays like causing environmental or health issues. When Vince no major on occasion that I have been able to read our reports, but it's just a general problem. And of course, now I say, explained that he's a I had never studied that or such kinds of businesses, and it's known their acceptable Spady health issues. Of course, that's not department of health, it's not being involved in this case so far. So one cannot really quantify. They Steve Philippine government front. Yeah. Trying to deal with this. I mean, whence and for all like introducing more stringent regulations, maybe. Relations there. And that's why these issue. Now, if you're selling, the now reading that they see effort under the, the government see this effort is being made before about this. So this is the best games. If there's also a warning to other still doing this or flooding busiest that no longer be. Beginning. I. And talking about broader picture recently, the Basel Convention on the control of transponder movements of hazardous, wastes, and their disposal has added plastic on the list, and Canada is a signatory of the convention. So what do we know about how effective if this convention really working? Well, I think one of the aspects of just nothing not here. I'm one hundred ninety seven countries or so have signed on, and I will surprise that a piece from the reports. I read the United States. It's not the same, but as far as concerned, we're not be the on the most major countries of the world are involved here. And well, these are indepedence awareness is many high, and he's mentioned already being taken my shopping in the supermarket chains on don't use plastic anymore, paper and paper cards. So as far as the Philippines is concerned and spars outsor-, we are now implementing disposables strictly up same time in terms of hazardous waste. She's also. Something that government takes because I'm aware of because I mean. The passports, each are controlling substance. So the things they implemented when I question, it's a long time phenomenon that developed countries export their waste to developing countries. Some people describe this as a waste of colonialism. So how do you see this phenomenon is the situation changing globally? Well, I think I can say I speak for anything. Yes. Indeed. These are all vestiges of the colonial period than long, video and seems president started this independent points on, I think that great awareness about these issues among other, and, well, that's why I think this garbage importation from Canada has been taken as a priority issue, which, of course, look at the entire context of problems, the country, which is ready small, but because governments, I think the president attempted because it is symbolic of relationships snow once which is reject this savory unacceptable relationships and reflected in scar tissue when the west. And so. So this is dependent foreign policy. They flex in so many things into this of this garbage problem with kind of security much. Mr. Laura foot. Join us that was Herman laurel. The founder of the Philippine bricks strategic studies group, a think tank of the Philippines in global affairs. And also, meantime, costumes in Chinese city of Dalian has watered shipping back of some six hundred eighty tens of suspected smuggle solid waste back to where they originated, these guys with fake documents to waste of Neum drowsy was seized late last year. The suspects have been detained and further investigation is underway. China began importing solid waste, as a source of raw materials in the nineteen eighties. And it was the world's largest importer for years, despite this week capacity in garbage disposal. Some companies have illegally brought foreing waste into the country for profit posing a threat to the environment and public health. So China decided to face out. Out and halt, such imports by the end of twenty nineteen except for those containing source resources that are not substitute able. That's take a short break here coming back fief drops plan for a forty eighteen World Cup in twenty twenty two. You're listening to world today. Stay with us. I am on car sharia. I teach at the university in DEA today has organized its programs and it says, on bringing in a lot of views from all over, it is an extremely good platform for information and analysis and I wish should all success in the future. Fever has abandoned plan to expand it twenty twenty two caught our World Cup to forty eight teams since March fee for president, Johnny in financial ahead work with cut har- to consider evolving another Gulf country in order to accommodate sixteen more matches by the global football governing body has concluded that it's impossible to expand. So join us now in a suits. My colleague, ding hung who's been following the story. Eddie, actually expansion two forty eight teams was initially planned for the twenty twenty six twenty meant. So why has fief consider doing this earlier in twenty twenty two? Well, it was actually the South American football. Confederation that I demanded fever to consider this, this plan, South America. We understand has many traditional football powerhouses butting, I think, in recent decades their performance at the TWA might has largely being overshadowed by Europeans. So I think expansion is something south. America very much looks forward to sell. They made the request more Dan, a year ago, the somehow president Infantino also like this idea very much. He basically argued that the decision to move the tournament from twenty four teams to thirty two teams in the year nineteen ninety eight was also taken four years in events. So basically, there is already a president in history in Qatar basically said, okay, we have some reservation about us but in general in principle, we are not against the proposal. So that's why we saw the joint visibility study between feta and Qatar I think somehow the issue is Qatar has being only preparing for a thirty two team tournament so far. It only has eights eligible stadiums this, this capacity cannot really accommodate forty. Eight teams some neighboring countries will have to provide some two to four additional event venues in order to realize the expansion plan. Barrier vice pointing to is the regional diplomatic crisis between Qatar and three other nations, including Saudi Arabia, the UA about rain, which would talk very often the in our shows. So why is impossible for any of those countries to join as co host? I think what's the president's Infantino wants hope to see was a potential deal for Qatar to share the was Saudi, or the UA would somehow help put an end to their diplomatic crisis in the region. But that's very naive. I think one thing we have to keep in mind is that as those three countries cut off their diplomatic ties was contrary two years ago, the economic and traveling's were severed as well, the Qatari Saudi border of remains closed even today, so it will be very difficult. Realistically speaking for soccer fans as well as teams to travel across borders. I think under the current. Situation char is just not willing to share the games was dumb as well. Remember this is the first ever World Cup to be held in our more. In addition to money, I think Qatar has also invested a lot of national pride in hosting this events. So why would go share this event was another country? That is somehow hostile to Doha to other countries in orgin Coit, and mum actually neutral in the diplomatic crisis. Where are they unwilling to offer Qatar a helping hand, I think, in the case of Omar it has openly said recently that it is just not ready for this. It doesn't have a stadium that is larger Nuff and were they choose three years. It has very challenging for, for man to build new stadiums in the case of it is, I think it's largely the same issue with infrastructure one stadium in the country has a sixty thousand seat capacity. The other only has twenty. Six thousand and both stadiums will require some renovation and upgrades in order to be used for the event, and even though the wet can finish the upgrades winning time before twenty twenty. Some human rights activists might put their fingers to the working conditions and labor rights. And this is something the fever doesn't want to see in collapsed. I think there's another issue. Qatar has exemptions which allow foreigners to drink alcohol, but Khuwaj just have a complete ban on our Kahal. This will be problematic. It is not even possible to showcase a beer brand, for example, during these sports as a major sponsor. Right. So we can argue this typical case, where geopolitics has once again, affected a sports, but the other way around that's our World Cup comes closer with this event have an impact on regional politics as well, because we know sports events are often the. The platform to, to talk peace. Yeah, that's the thing. Again. I think one thing we should keep an eye on as diplomatic blockade in the region. If the Boyne cons of Qatar continues until the year, twenty twenty two Saudi UAE baharan, as well as Egypt. They will have a very difficult problem basically people in the region of very, very passionate about soccer. Like I said earlier, this is the first time a major soccer event is being held in the region. So under the diplomatic boycotts fans from those four particular countries are just not allowed to travel to Qatar. And even though they're allow somehow logistically, speaking, they will face a lot of difficulty for their travel so that could be a potential factor to push the full countries to somehow restore either partially or fully their, their ties was still figure much they hung that. So all the time we have for the sedition of world today, a quick recap. 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So you don't have to Bordeaux cherry chocolate ice cream has alcohol in it. And makes it not safe for children. Hello everyone. And welcome to this episode of what fresh hell laughing in the face of motherhood. This is Margaret and this is Amy and this week. It's a it's a mother's day celebration. We're gonna talk about your mom wins. And our mom wins. We're not going to take you to brunch. We're going to celebrate your mom winds. We're not going to get you a wrist corsage. I just went to a mother son dance at my son's high school, and they had mother boy, do you watch arrested development, everyone in there's so much funny stuff. And then it kinda goes a little nutty. But the mother son event is called mother boy and just to Larry us. And you're totally mother. Boy, it was mother boy, and I got and he gave me a risk corsage. And this was this kind of weird. I thought we we walked in and we're signing in and he was willing to go because all his friends were going and all his friends moms, we're going. It was going to be fine. And it was pretty clear. This is your what age kid he's a sophomore in high school. Oh awkward awkward when I was pretty clear that. It was going to be just like junior high. I was going to be the mom's on one side and the and the boys on the other side, which is how it was. And that was fine. I like the mums he had risked corsage from me. In like, the volunteer. Dad who was working? He gives them the flower to give to me, I'm sorta like speaking of awkward like, oh, this is Dirk malicious and the father says to to my son. Thank you. And he was like oh sorry. Thank thank you thinking, you meant. Thank you for the Crisanto music. No, thank you know, for your mom here tonight. No, you know, how much it means to her. No, there would have been. There would have been a Michel hole in the door as I like ran out the door. I can't even I'm having such secondary like chills on your behalf that I cannot believe survived that. Yeah. I was like doesn't mean that much right? Like like, I've just been at home waiting for this night to come to kinds of people in the world, which is like people with a high capacity for schmaltz and people with a low capacity for like tender feelings, and and this is basically Irish Catholic, but like I was gonna say the Irish Catholic and both of us. I think both of us are on the like low capacity side of that. And that is my kryptonite like public displays of sentimentality or my kryptonite. And it was also like a Mike what bothers me about this. And then my day, my everything. But what put my friend put it in perspective for Macy's. What's wrong with that is is that if it were a daddy daughter dance, you would have walked in. And that same guy would have said to your husband. Thank you. Thank you for being here. It means so much to your daughter, right? It's all about like, aren't you? Nice to shine a little bit of sunshine towards your pathetic, sad mother female who lives for the crumbs that you drop a mythical of your exciting life. It's possibly projecting a little on his situation. I'm just saying, but that is the like most as my niece would say auto taco. I've ever heard about it my life, and I could not have survived it. And I'm glad it wasn't me. 'cause there would no longer be a podcast because I wouldn't have expired the eighty times during the event, my we used to have father daughter dances at my high school, and the saving grace was that my dad was an amazing dancer, amazing dancer, and so he taught us how to dance and so we would go out in like dance. I crazy people like do the Lindy and stuff we were great. And so we would win that father daughter dance contests yard, it was really fun. But it got through the awkwardness of like, it wasn't just like me like putting my arms around his neck swaying too. Like, I just died in your arms tonight oldie locks alert back in my day. Sorry, I didn't give that the space that it deserved. That was a big womb? That was a great song. I just done. Tonight. Young folks, go look it up. It's and then picture like sixteen year old Amy and sixteen year old Meg with their biggest crushes like crying and singing that song to assignment LeBron poster. And you will understand everything that it was to be alive of the nineteen eighties. Do you wanna see the picture of me wearing the risk corsage, my son at the mother, son dance? I know you do I guess though. I might put it up on social media. I might put it up on our Instagram and on the Jimmy. Blue dot your son's face because he shouldn't have to live with that. Shame. I'm all right. And if you scratch your face how Bill you should put that out in public motherboard, your son like your, son. We'll try to go on a date and the date will be like, I think I saw a picture of you and your mom on social media at a mother boy event, and he'll never get a date again. So be careful. This is the whole thing that bothers me about mothers day a little bit though is like, oh, it's so important that you I mean, I want the I want the accolades don't get me wrong. But this idea of like your mother only exists for kind glance her way once a year that stuff kind of gets to me. And I think we need to Pat ourselves in the back down. That's what I'm here for tonight. Little sister little sisters are doing it for themselves. Yeah. The thing that I hate about mother's day is that it just is the yearly gigantic fight. I have with my husband where I put too much stock in like if anyone really cares because I suspect all year that no one sees that. I'm just like the Irish washerwoman and cook of this house. No one really appreciates and some random hallmark employee has designated this day as the day where everyone will acknowledge me. And instead, I get up and my husband is like panting Lee running up from the ShopRite with a wilted bouquet in his hands, and like a hand written card that like he kind of sign the kid's name, Stu and every ounce of rage. That has built up about being unappreciated for an entire three hundred sixty five day period. Then shoots out of my eyes like volcanic lava directly into his face like that's mother's day. Every year for us one time, I got turquoise sort of like native American inspired earrings that were so clearly from the airport of shop. You know, just like come on not only would I not wear. There is nobody would wear these these airport gift shops have to do better by the guys who forgot about mothers day until the less. Well, it's like there's a hilarious like you can always get this picture. It's like. Valentine's Day at four PM like the Rite Aid card lot where there's like six hundred guys milling around confused lake it kind of sets the guys up for failure. And that is something I acknowledged like, I don't really care about mothers day. I don't really I I definitely don't want to spend money on a gift around mother's day. Like, we've got better things to spend money on. But basically the like here's a massage gift card once a year that kind of makes me mad at you. Because I feel like you didn't try, but I don't really care about this. Anyway, it just feels like such a trap like. Yeah, you're right. It's a trap, and we always end up just like kind of angry. It's a little bit of victicrat. And I ended up making dinner and being like happy mother's day to me and like storming off. It's not the greatest day on our calendar. So let's reclaim it. Let's reclaim it. Or ladies? Let's do this. Okay. So we're gonna we're gonna reset mother's day. And we're going to turn it around by celebrating ourselves and the things that we've done while this year, and so we went to were shouting at so we went to our face. Book page at what fresh hell cast, and we asked you all to tell us. What are your big your biggest mom wins? Your all time knocked it out of the park, ma'am wins. And I want to say a theme emerges in the mom wins. But I'm not going to give you the theme until we've heard a couple of them. It's going to be pretty clear what it is. Okay. All right. And we'll see we'll see if you can guess what it is. This is has Stor shout out to you Hester because Hester has eight year old twin boys who are still alive. They survived so far. I mean Hester really understands the France mom win because let me tell you. That's the mom win are your children exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide you've done it. You're a mom winter done it. I have had this conversation with people. I feel like I mean, it's difficult. I had an awesome mom like I had a great mom like one for the record books like a loving intelligent, beautiful smart. Really good at giving advice. I won the mom lottery. So it's easy for me on my lofty perch to say this, and I understand that. But I often talk to people about their moms who are not as great. And they're like, you know, my mom was just terrible useless. And there is a part of me that just wants to gently point out you are still alive. Like, you know, how on the SAT's they give you two hundred points for signing your name. I don't know if this is still true. But it was true back in our day. I think. It's filter. Yeah. I feel like you have to give your mom the two hundred points for citing her name if you are still alive in your thirties. Yeah. She might have done everything else wrong. But that was a lot of work like just keeping another human being alive is a ton of work. It's a ton of work. So congratulations necessary. I'm not saying it a races. The like, you know, otherwise horrible parenting. But I do like to just give a little tip of the hat to like, I mean, you are you're here. So she did something she didn't do nothing still feeding you. I mean, apparently you grew to adult size. Yeah. Right. I mean still alive, I'm giving you your two hundred points on the SAT. That's all I'm saying. Also, Anna Lindh says her biggest mom win is that she's going to be out of beach in Mexico other state and our kids are not invited my com. Yeah. That's a huge. Mom win. Yeah. Yeah. I mean any time you can get away from your kids. I'm others. There's a funny article floating around, and I should try to find it and post it, but. It's like what moms want for mother's day. And it's just basically like talking it gives a portrait of like mother's day brunch. Where you're basically just like screaming at your kids like giving them crayons while your husband guzzle champagne, and it's really funny like Br mother's day brunch. Like going out with your kids. I don't know that that's what you want for mother's day. When you do go out with your kids Lenore has a really good mom win hair. She says we used to say, okay. Sure. No problem. Sorry about that across the restaurant to an imaginary employee. If one of our kids was doing something we needed them to stop doing. And it worked every time. Yes. That's I mean, that's solid. Like, I've never done that with an imaginary person in the air. I have definitely answered my phone and taken a call from an imaginary person saying, you know, you need to you need to stand in line and sit down on the way to remember, whatever. Oh, yes. Sorry about that. I have done that we talk about this all the time the neutral third party like, oh, the lady said the lady says men league, whoever they think you're. In idiot. But whoever the imaginary lady is that person knows what's up. We're not gonna mess with the lady. My kids are probably too old to to say, okay. Sure. Sorry about that to an imaginary person. But I'll try it. I'll see how it goes. Yeah. I don't think there's going to go over gray with the teens. I think they're going to be like mom has finally lost the script, and we need to take her to the special place. Janna? Maybe it's gonna maybe it's Jona. She says my mom used to tell us the flight attendant call button on an airplane was an emergency button. Like calling nine one one. So we would never touch it as a grownup. My brother was about to administer the Heimlich, I guess to himself when the lady next to him use it to order a soda with that. These are really funny once like people who've convinced their children of things, and like when you realize so my father grew up on the Hudson river, if anyone from the east coast, and they could see the tappan Zee bridge, they just as an invite. But we grow the happens bridge and. His father used to walk over and flip the switch at night and be like deterred by bridge. John, and he would flip the switch and the bridge would go on because he knew what time they turn the lights of the bird, John. And my dad didn't realize that his father did not on the tendency bridge until he was like in law school, basically like my God. He's a it just took him forever. Because then of course, you forget that you told the kids crazy things and then the kids later on or like, oh that didn't turn out to be true. But like, I mean, there's so many funny examples of that where you're like, I believe that until way too late. I thought until last year at that are very troublemaking and rambunctious dog Bambi ran away right before my baby brother was born. I thought that until like last summer she went to the farm in the country, given to another family wasn't wasn't made into glue or anything. But was she quote, given to another family unquote, or was she actually give it to another family. No what we got them to. I mean, I don't wanna know. No. I don't want to know if it's the other thing, but we got them, right? You don't wanna peek under that particular hood? We were all sitting together like last summer celebrating my parents fiftieth anniversary. And then I was like I had to know what happened in Bambi. Was it an it's really run away. What happened? Oh. Yeah. With two today. Admit Bambi actual Fe or was Bambi. Just they we don't wanna know copped to her actual fake being. Oh, no. We gave her away. She was a nightmare and the baby was coming. Oh, not that she had conveniently run away. But I mean, I ran around the neighborhood like Bambi for several days. Oh my gosh. I like your parents didn't break either. Like, you're putting up Bambi posters in good job hunting keep going. I don't know where she went keep going put up posters. Don't come back until the lights are off yet. That's hilarious. Poor bambi. That's a mom win. And I'm still here. See? So like, I I'm an yeah. That's the thing. Like, listen, your mom one and you're still alive. It's all fine. You did not come out well in the mom winds category. And I'm glad they don't sponsor say me who Shuki cheese. There was a lot of tactics around Chucky cheese in this mom win category. Okay. Are a lot of management tactics. Okay. A lot of Chucky cheese. Is for birthdays. And by invitation, only, oh, you can't go in unless it's your birthday Mary convinced her children. Yes. Valerie similarly, convinced her children that check you cheese is only open on Thursday nights. And that's the night that there with their. So it's a mom win end a wife, pregnant wife or ex wife win depending. It's like you could do check each. That's we have that. With a lot of movies. Like, my son is movie crazy like he is a walking encyclopedia about the movies. Like what day it opens and every movie, and he knows every move is coming out, and he likes to see every movie like that movie where you wash the trillion you're like who would see that movie, Sherlock gnomes. The the Sherlock Holmes parody for children who've never heard about your gums, starring garden gnomes. We saw the theater like we see every movie he's obsessed. I run and I basically like look at the timing. And I'm like, I think I can get someone else to take that one. Like, we might be in tex-. For that one. I might get his Papa to take to that. What like I plan them all out like who? Can I shut this responsibility off on NATs among win? Aiming have you discovered? The theme of the mom wins. I'm sensing one. I want to take them in and make sure I'm right? Yeah. You're getting the sense. All right. Let's take a break, and I will feel the the the mom win theme when we return Amy true or false. My underwear drawer hasn't seen a new bra in like five years. I'm going to say crew. 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Like, I was like we when we solicited mom wins. We were a little. Sern that like will will they all just be like I sat and taught my child to read, and it was a wonderful mom win. And we were like, I don't know if that's going to be funny. And then, of course, every single mom was like, I lied or my kid and convince them of this thing that I don't want to do because our audience is actually filled with awesome people. We are here for this. We are totally here for it. And they're hilarious. Okay. I'm gonna do allies alley says whenever we're at the park and people start leaving. I tell my kids it's time to go because the park is closing doesn't matter. What time it is? They leave with ease. I mean, and this is the good thing to like a lot of these mom lives slash mom wins. They are being tastic for younger kids like if you've got a younger kid, they're not that bright, you can pretty much tell them anything. And that's it. Like Kathleen talked about the duck the duck. We we've talked about this on the podcast. We also use the duck which is like, oh, guys. I know we wanna stay at the park all day. But the duck says it's time to go because you set an alarm on your phone as a duck sound. On it. And we left every activity because of the duck. Yes, she says her kids are eight and ten and she doesn't really get away with it anymore. But like the duck says is now part of their family lore. Yeah. That's right. And sometimes I can still sit in my kids like the duck says it's time to go. And it's like a little wink wing to like the old my mother-in-law. She taught me this trick like setting alarm she used to bring egg timer. You know back in the day when she was an oldie locks like back in my dairy bre shoes to bring a kitchen timer, and it would ring. And it's like all the time or went off, though guys a timer says it's again, it's that magical thinking that kids have that like someone else told us this was the rule. And so what can we do guys? Sorry. We used to do. I think I've talked about this before. But there used to be a noontime whistle in our town. And and I would tell my boys when they were little they up that's Juku up and busy town. There was a noontime whistle. Your town. Exactly. This is where we would go in the summertime, so it would be sort of. Bucolic little small town for the summer. And I would tell my boys when they were little with their small rabbits driving like hot dog cars around. Okay. Exactly the banana peel. I think I've I think I've been there went down the road. Yes. We eat here at noon up. That's the lunchtime. Naptime whistle. Yeah. Everybody has lunch and takes a nap when they hear that whistle. And they absolutely thought that every animal I'm busy town lay their heads down. There pillows for a little while it worked. Well, it definitely helps. Right. I mean. Yeah. You know, we just did it with screen free week like telling my kids like everybody's doing this for some reason. My kids are ten eight and seven like why do they care that? Everyone's do it doesn't matter. But it's just a thing that gives it a little infant for some reason makes it work who who knows why take all the advantage you need franchesca. This is a good one franchesca told her two year old that the sign in the post office said all little boys have to stand next to their mommies. Oh, kids read oak. It's grant read you guys are the. The greatest a lot of the Matic on not sharing your food. You people are dirty liars. Who don't wanna share your food with your children, Angie, says blue bunnies? Bordeaux cherry chocolate ice cream has alcohol in it. And makes it not safe for children and Courtney on the same thing said before kids could read everything was spicy. Oh, darling. I'd love to share my ice cream with you. However, it's hot pepper flavor. Again, these rules Emma has your kids convinced that fruit loops can legally only be sold to hotels. They're not for private purchase one. That's a good one. We we have not we went years, and I was like the we wear always the mama feeling of superiority because I was sort of like, I don't even understand who eat sugary cereals, like who my kids don't even know about sugary cereals. And I know about them from hotels, right? Like, yeah. Definitely. There's a hotel breakfast rule. They have as much. Fruit loops and and danishes as you want. But when my kids really seven six four I was like, oh, what kind of people serve sugary zeros at home. And then of course, like ten we get we have a box of cocoa puffs in the kitchen because my kids saw them on TV at some point. We watch commercial television. And like they were like, what are these magical cereals that? We're not eating, and we just now we have cocoa puffs and fruit loops in my kitchen. It's kind of a factor too of like, I find online grocery shopping to be a lot easier because when they're with you. That's when they're like, wait a minute fruit. Loops are right there on the show. They are available. They make a serial that tastes like waffles. Right. And suddenly, you're like, yeah. I guess we're getting those. I mean, you could also just say we're not gonna have them. But I don't even have a strong stance against sugary cereals. But they creeped in they craved in my all of my mom snobbery about them. I was like, oh, yeah. Never mind. We're just gonna have them. I guess Jessica says her mother used to tell her that. The ice cream truck. Tune was actually fish monger, and cheap believed that that she was twelve somebody told us along the way that they told their kid that the ice cream truck jingle meant, no more ice cream. They're out. Really? Yeah. Sorry, guys. Just an announcement that we're out of ice cream for the week. That's a good one tasks who full disclosure is my sister in law. My mom told me the crust of bread was the most nutritious part, I diligently eight every sandwich crust. I I believe that will high school. I actually is that wrong. Like, I think that crossed Brad is kind of good does going to tell you, wait. I think I think that I think it's all not nutritious. I don't know if that's actually true we have to get it. We have to have a bread expert. Come and do a mid roll interview for us. So that we could get to the bottom of this bread situation. It's also cute because my sister-in-law is just a very nice, and what's the word. I'm looking for like, she's like a Doobie, you know, she's a good do-gooder. And so this would not work on my kids. Like if I told my kids that crash. Was the most nutritious part? They'd be like that that must be why it tastes about. I don't wanna eat it. But I like the tasks was like the most nutritious part. I shall eat it. I I definitely grew up thinking that the crust of the bread was the most nutritious part as if as if bread was nutritious, right? We were we were kind of off base there as as a people. Yeah, we were we were confused about that in general. But definitely like isn't the peel the most through Tristesse part of an apple or is that just a lie. What's the most? Right. It's almost like nutrient rich. I dunno red thing is not true. But it's the most pesticide rich. Right. Like well. Listen, we all have to take the good with the bad. You take the happy with the Saturday me. Okay. Mary Catherine wanted to make her very skinny toddler finishes dinner, and she told them that the more he ate the more Tooth's he would have. And she says this worked in more ways than expected. Be careful what you wish for very April. You wish for that would definitely work on my boys, definitely work on my boys. Erica in a similar vein. And this made me laugh because this is the kind of way that I joke with my kids all the time says I joke at dinner that I didn't want them to eat healthy food because I want them to stay my wiggle bitty babies forever and not grow big and strong. I do that a lot with my kids. I'm like, it's time for your favorite activity in the world. Mom, hugs, their whatever. Like, I just love that teasing funny relationship with my boys, especially like, oh, whatever you do. Don't eat that broccoli because you have little and be with me forever. And they just said like shoveling Barkley are facing. Yeah. I think in general that's something. Like, we struggle a lot with how do you get your kids to do x y z like when people as parenting questions, they tend to be like, how do I get my kids to do this thing that I want them to do that? They don't want to do. And I do think in general there's something about like. Keeping it light. And funny that is so good in so many ways it keeps you out of that mode where you're like in some epic battle of wills which feels bad to everybody, and you just like laughing and having fun with it, which is great. And you can kind of get to where you wanna go that way. Also, this is the sort of thing that every two three or four year old loves which is outsmarting the grownup. Like, I know more than the grownup, I used to do with my kids, I would sort of play a character when the playroom was total mess. I'd say, yeah, I am. I said let's play a game. And I'm gonna be I'm going to be the release stern person. And I'm gonna come in. And I'm going to inspect the room, but I won't be able to find anything and they're like they're so into it. And then I come in like attention. An I, you know, run my finger over the top of those shelf expecting a fine dust, and then there's no dust, and and, you know, whole while I'm gonna find a mess in here. And they would love that. They it's kind of. I mean, it's lying in a different way. But they love the idea that they're pulling something. Over on you, even if truthfully they know they're not in. It's all a big joke. They just delight in that. Oh, absolutely. And I am team lie to your kids. Like, I have definitely heard people express like in different ways like. Whether it be, you know, around holidays or traditions or other kinds of magical thinking like, wow, I just don't think it's right to lie the kids, and I'm like that is something I never give any thought to. I think it's completely find to light a kids. I think it's kind of magically delightful to light kids. I'm team lying the kids. I call it a magical thinking. Yeah. You know, we were talking about that magical thinking with kids if this age like the lady said or the sign says use it don't feel guilty about that. It makes it it makes it easier for these kids who don't they are capable of abstract thought be black and white with them and take advantage of that while you can time and more than that. It's helping them work something out like we used to do something similar in the playroom. Because at some point we'll watch Anne, and I would do the like we're gonna clean this until it shines like the top of the Chrysler building. Like, they thought it was such a funny line. And like the is something weird that they're working out. It's like, I don't like someone else telling me what to do that person seems mean, but that person is my mom who I? Love like there is something that like playing those funny characters it helps them work through some process. It's good. Jamie says put the batteries into the annoying sound making toys the wrong way. So they see you putting the batteries in. But it doesn't work. It must be broken. I have a one up on this that my husband invented that is because then you're possibly going to end up with the kid who's like, it's broke like screaming and crying. My husband would take sometimes just regular tape with a lot of layers. But even better like heavy duty clear packing tape and put it over the speakers on all the electric to us in the house. Oh, yes. I've done that. And that is like they still work, but you can barely hear you that to me is the solution to all your electronic. Toy problems is like clear packing tape over the speaker because then the kid can still hear it and interact with whatever terribleness it is trying to do. There are some that like some of those kids electronic toys owns we were recently at a concert. I think of my niece plays in. Constrain somewhat. We were and it was the piece, I don't even know classical music. Don't don't that. Don't dont'a. What's up? Lisa music. I don't know. I mean. Of them. And my husband, and I together we were like one two three four five six seven eight. Then there's nine counting is really great with county. And it's like the song that used to play out of one of the electric toys. And it's like I will never hear that piece of music without those being the lyrics to go through my money up. So you have to control them stuck forever. Clear tape over the whole skies. That's way to go are EMMY, we'll be right back. The twenty nineteen mom wins. Brown know, what fish health podcast, our first nominee is Phyllis Marsh from Akron, Ohio with her performance of. Of course, I didn't throw away your art project. What? Oh, no, Honey, I wasn't throwing away the Ninety-six art project. You brought home this year. That's not the recycling. That's a special place under the sink where I store treasured things that. I am definitely going to frame later. Next up is Louis. Sean Jackson in don't make me come up there. Seriously. Seriously. You do not want to make me come up there. We recognize Sally Flannery in I think, I might be turning into my own mother. I don't care who started it. If you're fully your Ps. You are tufo for dessert homework. Homework who's working on their homework. We need to finish it because I said, so that's why a commanding performance by Kathleen ferment in tell me more about the fifth grade social drama. I'm totally listening. A really hilly said gosh has apprising. Oh, wait in my head, son. Just like Jesse keep going. It's just any candy crush while. You're talking really helps me concentrate on the details and finally an LeMoyne for her truly searing performance in not without my daughter's clarinet, wait school bus, wait, my daughters left the house without her instrument that she is banned for period, please come back. Ladies, you're all winners to us. Happy mother's day. Moms from the what fresh out. Amy. The moms are winning it. Let's be on winning group. The danger. Now, we need to talk about the dangers of mother's day. Amy. And here's the greatest danger of mother, do you know, what it is the film the blank things about your mom that get hung up in the pre K classroom, the narc forms that are sent home asking your beloved children to tattle on you. Yep. And by this. I mean assignments that are sent home that are like, my mom or aren't sent home or done fully at school. And they surprise you in the hallway. Yeah. Even worse. You're right. They that's right. You exactly correct. Amy the assignments that are done at school, and they're like report on your family. They're like a knowledge papers, basically on your family that your kids fill out at preschool. And let me tell you you go to the preschool, and you see those hanging up, and if you're anything like me, your heart, sinks, because you're like Ono what has my child. Reported about me. Okay. Gimme yours, and it I'll give you my my daughter had one. And it was my mom's favorite food is beer and showed me. Yeah. Drinking about beer the next year. And I think I still have this one which I will also if I can find him posts, my mom's favorite food is sushi and diet coke which is not as bad as beer, but it's just a little bit. Like, it's not great. It's kind of true. It's definitely true. No one is saying the girl is wrong on any level. But I just wish these preschool teachers would not ask these little nosy kids to report on what's going on in our houses. It's the it's got to be the best part of being an early childhood teacher is is these answers. Oh my God. They must really laugh being like, what does your mom like to do at home? What is going on? My daughter had answer one. That's sick. When I am at school. My mother likes to and she answered go on the computer and clean up and stuff. That's a good one. She wrong, but the classic one that I was that. I still can recall my oldest was in pre K, and they will often say something like my mother is as tall as blank my mother ways blank. 'cause it's funny to see them say that you're eleven feet tall and waves seventy five pounds or whatever. One kid wrote their family had like a no weekend house up in the Catskills. So she said my mother is as tall as and clearly the teacher had helped her fill in the refrigerator at Woodstock. And my mother weighs as much as the refrigerator. And what stock I mean, you've got to think the preschool teachers are in on this too. Certain great, right? Like, this is I am I'm here for three hundred sixty five days just just for this day. Well, I had a famous one which was that when we were growing up my mom broker foot. And what had happened was my mom was coming back from the bathroom at night and hit her. Foot. She really just like brokered toe and walked into the bed posts, basically, you know, in the dark coming back to bed at night. And for some reason, I was like maybe in first grade or something when this happened, and I was like big news. You know, kids are like this is the big thing. That's having my mom was on crutches. And I was like my mom broker foot. Wrestling in bed with my dad that class. And the teacher must have pulled. My momma sign and been like since this is the reporting that we're getting as like class news. Basically, I was telling as many people as I could get earshot and my mom sat me down. And was like that's not exactly what happened. And that's not what you want to say. And it was not until it was an adult that I realized that there might be a problem with that report on my God that is so classic my friend. Missy her her four year old was given the prompt. My mom is great because and her four-year-old son answered because she only yell sometimes and good job. She gets her two hundred points on the SAT's. This was sent home Mon win only yelling teacher use that. As an expert. That's a good one. That's totally fine. Danielle her son did the can across stick poem Emma's for mom that I love so much owes for. Yes. They're also rife with problems. Let's be honest. Are was for really loves the Grateful Dead. Again. I'm all for it. That's that's a mom win right there. You're raising those kids, right? If they know who the Grateful Dead is Samantha her six year old had fill this out when Samantha was pregnant with her second in. So the six year old. It was like my mom can do amazing things. And then you're gonna list all the amazing things. She can do. So my mom can do amazing things she can Lanc faster than anyone her kid road sleep. She likes to sleep her favorite thing to do is sleep and she hates to and the kid broke walk. I mean again, and she's like I was I was really pregnant. She wasn't wrong about that. At all. Now. I would say none of these cases can you go back and be like the kids dead wrong. I mean, they're now wrong. But again, I'm just not sure this is fair to have these shelter and just reporting on us. Just telling tales about us outside of the house Jessica's five year old Radnor out for drinking Margaritas. Did you get to get help spelling that like exactly and that's the thing when a five year old brings home a project? It's like my, mommy likes drinking Margaritas. You know, the teacher had to sit over them. It'd be like it's M A R G at right? He had to they had to walk them through that whole process, and like draw a little salt on the rim. That's how mommy likes is. Is it rock salt? There is a is it frozen does. Mommy, like salt on the remember, no salt, you know. But sometimes the best part is when OBI like Margarita would be like M R G R E. I should put this one up Instagram. Lindsey. I hope that's okay with you her child. Cameron wrote my mom likes to watch Grey's and Adam me and have a drink. And he made graze and Ademi is three words like sh- the one I like it's like new also these are win lose because Melissa had one that was filled out. My mom is really good at and she the daughter filled in being mad, but she also listed Melissa's age is twenty. So that's a win lose right there. I your daughter thinks you're very young. But also might think you have a rage problem. So it's it's again, it's a mixed bag like so many things, but this is the age. I mean, my kids are all a lot older than this now. And I've saved these from when they were little and they this age when they just sort of adore you and think that you have kind of superhuman powers definitely is in the back of your head. Right. Definitely the most beautiful person they've ever seen. Yeah. I miss those days a little bit. Well, it's funny. I was at pick up the other day with a group of moms. And I have a first grade daughter in a bunch of them had like third grade daughters, and they were like. Oh, it's like when they start to turn on you. You know? And it's really just the thing is you want it to happen that your kid turns on you a little bit like it is not developmentally appropriate or okay? For your kid to grow up adoring you forever because then you end up at mother boy. And like your kid is not, you know, correctly emotionally developed ending the corsage anew. And it's weird. Yeah. Yeah. You want that to be a weird thing for a twelve year old to doing because my even still might my eight nine year old. My kids are funny. They're really starting to be like. I was loading the dishwasher the other day like just scraping the gross like catcher b mass. And my son was like, I really don't ever wanna be grown up. I don't wanna do that part. Where like, you scrape the dishes, and I have a friend who talks about all the time at some point. He was really young like seven or eight and they had a dog who had some intestinal distress in the car, and like they got out of the car. And then he saw his mom like going back to the car with the bucket. And he was like I can never grow up like I can never be the one clean up the car after the dog poops all over the car. And look he just said it's so seared in his memory that vision of his mom with a bucket, and billing adulthood is the you're the person who has to do it. And there is a lot of that to it, you know, but it's it's just fun and funny to watch kids go through all these different phases. But then you end up the mob. My son asked me their day. We were talking about childbirth and ITO he's trying to figure it out. And he's like it must be really weird when you just look down what there's a foot coming. And I was like you're not wrong. It's all pretty weird. It never seems normal. But that's an also that's not exactly what happens. But you know, it's so cute to me to watch the kids start to figure out like being an adult involves a lot of things that I'm not sure I wanna do. Yeah. And at least they're not wrong. It's nice once a year to get some recognition of like, thanks mom for the time. You cleaned up the dogs intestinal issues from the back of our car. Thanks for thanks for a moment every day, but at the same time like don't lean into that. Because there is no day. There is no thing there is a poem. And we actually gave a framed version of it to my mom for her birthday one year. It's by Billy commonly who was the poet laureate of the United States. And he if you have read I'm not a poultry person. But I mean super accessible and really he's just terrific like if you don't know him, you should look up, and I'm gonna put this poem up. But it's so what's amazing about it? Is it just it's called the lanyard? And it's about I won't read the whole thing. But it's basically. Like he goes to camp, and he says by deep Adirondack lake learning, how to breathe thin plastic strips into a lanyard a gift for my mother. And then he goes on to describe it, more and more. He says she gave me life in milk from her breasts, and I gave her a lanyard. She nursed me in many sick room lifted teaspoons of medicine to my lips set cold face close on my forehead, and then led me out into the airy light any just goes on. And on about all the things she did for him. And here is your lanyard. I replied, which I made with a little help from counselor. Anyway, you have to read the whole poem. But it just so captures. And like the thing is what's magical about the palm which magical about being a mom is like the lanyard is. Yeah, get you know, like, you get a lot of things you get grownups. And you get, you know, people move on and hopefully live good lives, and you know, reflect all your knowledge, but based. You get a lanyard, and like it is so magical like, and so although I joke about like the horrible brunch. And like the like wilted half flowers from ShopRite and stuff like it is nice to take a minute and have your kids in their own lame lame Kidwai's try to thank you. And you gotta lean in on a little bit. And not do the thing that I've had a tendency to do which is like this does not make up for everything I've ever done in all the time to clean the dog out of the car. You know, it's just about like your kids in their own sad little kid ways. Being like, here's oppo my wrote you about how much you like diet coke yet. In other words, like embrace the insufficiency of the thank you because there is no thank you that schooner ever be truly sufficient. So here's your drawing where I say, you you as much as a refrigerator mom you writing. And like in a way, it's kind of the perfect. Thank you. Because it's just right. It's what am I trying to say, Amy? It's like, right. It's the right metaphor, you know. It's it's underlining how. Vast? What we do is. Right. That if if if there was sufficient, thanks than maybe what we were doing wouldn't be so large, and we all know, it's very large. And that's why we're putting ourselves on the back right and the scales never get to be even and that's kind of the job job. That's the job. And so any anytime like when you're like the elephant on one side of the scale, and you see someone like putting a teaspoon of sugar on the other side of the scale. You can kind of be like, how dare you? Don't you see that? I'm an elephant. This is a ridiculous gesture or you can be like, thanks for try. I would suggest number two. Yeah. We see you. We know how much you're doing. So thank. Yeah. And your your phone mom, friends or like, okay? I'm also an elephant on the scale. Right. People are putting sugar. I like I see you exact guys have a happy mother's day. Yeah. Hope you enjoy your time with your families. Come to our Facebook page and show us all of the horrible projects. Your kids have brought home with full of insults and narc Innis about your. Home. Babysitter. You can do that at Facebook dot com forward slash what fresh hell cast. You can also do that on Instagram at what fresh outcast, and we're also on Twitter at W F H podcast, and we will have on our website this week a bunch of fun stuff like fun pictures, and we will also have the Leonard. And that was by Billy Collins. I have said Billy Connolly his name is Billy Collins. And we'll also have picture of me at the mom from with my. Oh, mom, prom that. I mean, if any if you get nothing else out of this episode, you get a picture, Amy at mom, which should sustain you talk to you guys next week. Thanks for listening. Everybody. Hello listeners of what pressure hill laughing in the face of motherhood. If you're listening to this show, you're gonna love our show called why? Mommy drinks. Yeah. I'm Betsy Stover. I'm Amanda Allen. 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Steven Russell Pt. 1: Con For Love
"The thirty five year old Stephen Russell strode confidently through the Harrison County. Jail his stretchy red pants and strangely patent Brown tee-shirt made him seem out of place in the stock facility. He didn't look like an inmate. He moved with determination and brandished a walkie talkie Russell. Blithely nodded to sheriff's deputies is pasta them in the hallway. Without breaking stride continued onto the security checkpoints between the visitors area. An inmate holding thick steel doors blocked his exit but quickly tapped on the control booth window with his talkie just like that the doors opened before him and he continued on strolling through the visitor's center. He held the walkie talkie to his mouth obscuring his face after a short walk he stepped out of the jail and into the cool darkness of the early morning. He smiled to himself. He was free Russell. Her just walked right out of jail and away from his ten year sentence and it wouldn't be his loss escape. Russell's incredible jailbreaks made him one of America's most legendary conmen welcome to Cardis Apar- cost original. I'm mad and every week we peel back. The layers of history's greatest deceptions. And tell the stories of the hustlers swindlers and fraudsters. That orchestrated them. I'll dive into their psychology breakdown their tricks and explain why anyone might pool. For a con- you can find episodes of Con Artists. And all other podcast originals. For Free on spotify. Or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream for free on spotify just open the APP and type Cornutus in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter. At podcast network. This is our first episode on Stephen Russell a financial scam and cereal. Jailbreaker who defrauded several corporations out of more than a million dollars. This week. We'll learn about Russell's early life and criminal career as he worked his way up from petty theft to insurance fraud. Next week. We'll hear about Russell's love affair with Philip Morris and how it drove him to pull off even more brazen schemes and daring escapes until his final arrest in nineteen ninety eight in just eight years. Russell committed an impressive number of crimes including but not limited to petty theft identity theft possible fraud insurance fraud embezzlement impersonating a police officer and impersonating a federal judge but these feats pale in comparison to his crowning achievement escaping from jail on four separate occasions. Russell pulled off these getaways with incredible ingenuity and or deputy usually finding away to simply walk out the front door with his skills of deception. He may have been able to avoid the police for the rest of his life yet. He had one weakness. He was a hopeless romantic after each escape. He would attempt to reunite with his lover so the authorities always knew where to find him in contrast to the dramatic criminal exploits that he would later engage. In Stephen Russell's earliest were quite unremarkable. Russell was raised with his older brother in Virginia Beach. A coastal city of Chesapeake Bay by conservative religious parents. Young Russell was close with his father and spent much of his time at the Family Produce Company. His job was to prepare orders delivery but he didn't cam much for manual labor. Instead from an early age Russell thought he was better suited to a management position in preparation. He must at the basics of accounting and money management skills which would prove to be helpful later on his childhood was idiotic and educational until he turned nine years old and his parents revealed that he was adopted while they assured him that they loved him just as much as their biological son. Scott Young Russell began to feel like an outsider. His resentment caused him to act out in school. This troubled behavior continued for years and it culminated in an incidence where twelve year old Russell allegedly set a bullies jacket on fire. As a result Russell was sent to a psychiatric ward for a month of observation and then to a juvenile correctional centre anger management therapy. Russell's experience in the Correctional Centre proved to be foolish of time in his life. I Russell realized he was gay when he had first homosexual encounter with a teenager who worked at the facility this realization combined with the year that Russell spent away from home added to his overwhelming sense of abandonment. He wrestled with feelings of rejection and obsessed over tracking down his biological family. Russell's anxiety about belonging is a hallmark of what psychologists call insecure attachment a working model of relationships that is established in childhood persists through adulthood people with an insecure attachment style feel loss or rejection and relationships and yearn for extreme emotional closeness with their partners. Two thousand seven study by Judith. Fini Nola Passmore and candidate. Peterson found that insecure attachments. Maybe Mu Wind spreads in adopted children like Russell. This is due to feelings of alien nation and abandonment associated with the adoption process. Data also supports a significant association between insecure attachment and depression psychologists. Benjamin Hankins John Castle Angela. Abella fear is that this connection works through a cognitive pathway insecure leads to dysfunctional attitudes or rigid and extreme beliefs about oneself and the world. These negative attitudes in turn lead to low self esteem and poor self esteem elevates the risk of depressive symptoms. Russell hid his sexuality dating girls his age to avoid being rejected by his conservative religious family. He felt more and more like he didn't belong his dreams. Reuniting with his biological family intensified and so did his secrecy throughout his teen years he had donald with boys and old men in secluded spots after graduating from high school. In nineteen seventy six Russell joined the family produce business. His father brought him in on meetings with other local companies where they set favourable prices to ensure that they won lucrative school district contracts. This was part of an illegal process called bid rigging and Russell took to his first racket like a fish to water but even while working for DS Russell and sons. He longed to track down his biological family. He planned to become a police officer so he could gain the necessary skills and at nineteen years old began to spend time around the police department there. He met Debbie Davis. The police chief secretary the two began dating and were married in nineteen seventy six. Russell and Debbie lived a charmed life all while Russell hid his attraction to men in nineteen seventy nine when Russell was twenty two. The couple moved into Russell's childhood home and welcomed a daughter Stephanie. Today family later that year. Russell began volunteering with the local sheriff's Office. With this position. He finally got the chance to look into his biological family. He quickly located his birth mother. Brenda Basham and discovered that she lived just thirty miles away before visiting his mother. Russell learned everything he could about turned her family. He discovered that his biological father was dead and that his mother had remarried. She had two other sons neither of whom will put up for adoption as Russell drove to meet his mother. His mind spun with all the questions. He would finally be able to ask her questions he had since he was nine years old when he arrived he summoned all of his courage to step out of his car and knock on the door. When Brenda answered Russell explained she was his mother. He waited for her response breath still in his lungs. This was the moment he had dreamed about for years. This was the reunion that would help him find his place in the world but his hopes for a joyful reunion were immediately dashed. Brenda denied everything. Russell said and shoot him away. This fresh rejection was a crushing blow for Russell. And he gave up on the idea of ever reconnecting with his family still reeling. From disappointment Russell turned his mind to other serious matters that demanded his attention. In Nineteen Eighty Department of Justice. Prosecutors subpoenaed the Russell family to question them about their bid rigging enterprise with their backs against the wall. The Russel's decided to cooperates with the feds. Stephen Russell even participated in a sting operation to catch the other two companies red-handed. When the dust settled he figured it was a good time to get out of the produce industry and out of town to Florida but for the next few years. Russell's life was extremely unstable as he struggled to hold down a job around this time. Russell resumed his habit of cruising for sexual encounters with men between nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty-four. He had a few run INS with the law. Facilitation charges were dismissed. Russell eventually found a new job with National Food. Distributor CISCO and moved to Houston Texas. Russell left to get things in place for his family while his wife and daughter waited in Virginia Beach when twenty eight year old arrived in Houston. He took advantage of the distance and began openly dating men. He managed to maintain his dating life in secret even after his wife and to join him. But a chance. Misfortune brought his adulterous escapades crumbling. Down in April nineteen eighty-six Russell had a near fatal car accident. That left him hospitalized for several months while he recovered his wife took over the family finances and notice suspicious charges for hotel rooms. She confronted Russell and he came clean about his secret trysts and his sexuality. Debbie accepted the truth and the two amicably when this separate ways once Russell was back on his feet in December she returned to Virginia Beach with their daughter now on his own twenty nine year old. Russell applied for a job with Surco a launch food distribution company based in Los Angeles. Russell wanted to make sure he got the GIG. He took the extraordinary step of putting in a good word for himself. Russell claims to have called. Sat Ryshkov and pretended to be a CFO from another company. Under this guy's Russell gave himself a glowing recommendation. The ruse worked and Russell got the job. He moved to Los Angeles in April. One thousand nine hundred nine. Things went smoothly until November when his employer run a background check and found out to startling facts. I the CFO whom Russell had impersonated didn't exist. And Second Russell had been arrested previously facilitation. He was immediately dismissed but Russell did not let this setback him down by January. Nineteen Ninety Russell had already acquired a new job as chief operating officer of a food distribution business in New Orleans. He believed he was finally safe. But in time rumors of his previous arrest for solicitation began spreading around the workplace sensing which way the winds were blowing Russell decided he needed to act fast to build himself a financial safety net to this end. Russell faked a slip in full accident in his apartment complex and he threatened to sue the management company in charge at the building. The complex settled for forty five thousand dollars almost nine hundred thousand dollars today with these funds in hand. Russell quit his position a month later. Thanks to this settlement russell could live comfortably. I short time but he was anxious. The money would run out eventually. That summer thirty-three-year-old Russell returned home to plan his next move just a few weeks later he fully commit to a life of crime next. We'll see surprising reunion. I listen I have some very exciting news. Regarding the critically acclaimed series famous fates although season one has ended the franchise still lives on starting may thirteenth. The famous fates feet will feature season two titled Fools From Grace Available Only on spotify. Join hosts KONTA and Vanessa as they return to examine some of the most accomplished and controversial people to ever live. You'll discover what drove these history makers to be so successful in their respective fields and what led to their ultimate disgrace available for free and only on spotify falls from grace will release two episodes a week over twelve weeks. Each focusing on different notable figure from Simpson Marie Antoinette to Oscar Wilde and Howard Hughes. You'll dive into a rich variety of impactful stories. From every aspect of history it will be dramatic heart wrenching disturbing and as always it will feature the indepth research and storytelling. You've come to expect from us. And most importantly these episodes are all free and only available on spotify. Famous fates falls from grace is a podcast original starting may thirteenth. Two new episodes release every Wednesday. Listen free and only on spotify now back to the story. By June of nineteen ninety. Stephen Russell was thirty three years old with no professional prospects. He had returned to his hometown of Virginia Beach to plan out his next steps when a friend introduced him to a woman named Debbie. Basham Steven and Debbie got along great together and in an incredible coincidence. She turned out to be married to his biological brother. Russell had long desired to reunite with his biological family and he was thrilled by this chance running but he was also scared. He'd have his heart broken again if he tried to reconnect with his family in the end he decided the risk was worth it. And this time the reunion went much differently. Russell's sister-in-law invited him to dinner where Russell's two biological brothers warmly welcomed him into the family his biological mother even for having turned him away before Russell finally had the kind of relationship with his biological family that he desperately wanted since childhood but while his family life was looking up his professional life was in shambles. He felt that being involved in a federal sting operation prevented him from working in the produce industry and his prior assets precluded him from working in law enforcement with his score from the bogus. Slipping full claim drying up. Russell thought his best option was to commit wholeheartedly to a life of crime and he didn't waste any time getting started at the end of the year. Russell's set his sights on his first gripped identity theft by calling in a favor from old friends at the police station Russell access law enforcement databases to look up. The date of birth and social security. Number for Steven Lindh Russell. With this information he opened a credit account in the other. Russel's name and bought to Rolex watches then. He sold the watches to Agila for a cool twelve thousand dollars in prophet a few weeks later Steven Lind. Russell got some suspicious bills in the mail and contacted the Virginia State Police. It wasn't hard to connect the dots of what happened. After a brief investigation Russell surrendered and was sentenced to find years probation. His criminal debut was off to a rocky start and things would get worse for the aspiring conman. Russell figured a fake passport would come in handy in his new life as a career criminal while visiting a friend in Houston he looked up the identity of yet another Stephen Russell and applied for a passport in his name but federal authorities caught onto him and indicted him for passport fraud worse yet. Federal agents found out about the slip and full claim and the ensuing forty five thousand dollars insurance settlement correctly. Suspecting that Russell faked the accident they notified the Harris County. Da Office which indicted Russell for Felony Insurance Fraud while he's legal troubles piled up. Russell fled Texas for Florida. He got a job sourcing tomatoes for a wholesale grocery store a position which was surprisingly ripe for fraud in a practice called field ground buying Russell Board low quality tomatoes on the cheap and sold them for higher prices with this scheme. Russell was soon clearing. Four thousand to six thousand dollars a week. In Prophet business was booming and Russell's love life was also looking up in June of Nineteen ninety-one Russell fell head over heels in love with a man for the first time. The couple had a rather unorthodox meet cute. Russell was checking into the Palm Beach. Four Seasons with a one night stand when he met James Temple a twenty five year. Old bellhop the next morning at Checkout. The two began flirting and sparks flew. There was a nine year age. Difference Between Twenty five year old chempil and thirty four year old. Russell and Russell was also facing several criminal charges though he kept that to himself Kemble had struggles of his own he let Russell know that he was HIV positive. Which in the early ninety s practically amounted to a death sentence? The two likely shouldn't have begun a long term relationship but none of these roadblocks kept them apart. Russell and Campbell quickly fell each other and within a few months they moved into a Palm Beach apartment together a month later. In November nineteen ninety-one Russell was ordered to serve six months in a Federal Correctional Center for his earlier. Passport Fro Challenges. He was allowed a few months to get his affairs in order. But that put a significant damper on his honeymoon period with Chempil. Russell kept his legal issues a complete secret from his partner alone with his worries. He despaired over his impending imprisonment and fell into a deep depression. He received a prescription for Xanax and heavily self medicated with alcohol. This kind of mental tailspin is understandable given such difficult circumstances in fact psychologists nettle. Herash a clinic and Alan. Apter have found evidence that stressful events such as those involving Lawson separation may trigger the first onset of clinical depression as he faced his prison sentence. Russell had perfect. Storm Factors. Predisposing him to depression. He was facing a loss of freedom and separation from his boyfriend when the day finally came for him to report to prison he was emotionally debilitated the night before his sentence was sent to begin. Russell went on a bender drinking excessively and overdosing on Zanex. He woke up in Fort Lauderdale Hospital. His doctor said he had a duty to report Russell to the authorities but Russell had other plans. He took off from the hospital in a cab and headed for his Palm Beach home. He was in a rush but he's still stop to refill his xanax. Prescription bottle containing one hundred pills. He had to take him home where he downed the entire bottle. It doesn't seem like Russell truly intended to end his life but rather he was desperate to avoid going to jail. Kemp arrived shortly after it and called an ambulance for Russell who was barely conscious. It took Russell several days to recover from his second suicide attempt. When he was about to be discharged a doctor tipped him off that the FBI was on the way to arrest him and escort him to prison. Thinking fast. Russell drove to a Ritz Carlton and checked in to ponder. His next move temple met him there later and pleaded with him to just serve his time but Russell refused. He stayed at the hotel for a week. Hiding out from the authorities Brussel drank heavily and his suicidal urges returned. By this point he was out of xanax. So he overdosed on his blood pressure medication instead this time when he woke up in the hospital a police officer was waiting in his room to serve him with a federal warrant for his arrest in April nineteen. Ninety-two thirty five year. Old Russell was personally to Houston by Harris County. Deputy at the time federal correctional facilities in Houston were full so russell was taken to the county jail to serve out his sentence. In addition to the six months he owed on the passport fraud charge. He was also facing up to ten years for Felony Insurance Fraud. Charge in connection with his phony slip and fall. Then they're in the miserable overcrowded cell. Russell found himself at a crossroads. He could he'd Campbell's plea and just do his time with muddle behavior in a few years. He could emerge as a free man and move on with his life all he could attempt to escape and return to his dying boyfriends side with chemicals. Hiv positive status. There was no telling how long they had left together. Russell didn't want to waste a single minute of their time behind bars. As such Russell found the latter option. Far More appealing even with the slight wrinkle that escaping would make him a fugitive from the law with his mind made up. Russell got to work. Planning his very first jailbreak he had been assigned to a doom style. Pod where there were fonts you many prying eyes so I. He needed to find a way to obtain a less crowded sell. After Russell's suicide attempt he'd had a heart catheter inserted through his thigh. Which left a large bruise. Brussel decided to use this to his advantage. He intentionally injured himself further punching and squeezing his leg worsen the bruising then he told medical staff that he'd been beaten up that did the trick. Russell was immediately moved to an individual cell where he could plan his jailbreak in relative peace and quiet soon. After arranging this upgrade a golden opportunity fell into his bruised lap. A fellow inmates offered to get Russell a position working in the jail in exchange for a one hundred dollars bribe inmates with jobs had more to move around the facility. Something Russell very much wanted he had can pull send the money and he was in. Russell could now move about the prison which allowed him to consider possible. Escape routes often weighing his options. Russell decided that his best bet was steal civilian clothes and simply walk out the front door. Fortunately for him the Harrison County jail kept the street clothes. That criminals were arrested in onsite. Unfortunately the men's clothes were inaccessible but the women's clothes could easily be acquired Russell. Search through a pile of women's clothes until he found something that might fit him a pair of stretchy red pants and a large white t shirt. He smuggled these to a trusted fellow inmate for safekeeping. He also gave his friends some teabags and asked him to tie-dyed the t shirt for him. The next day he had a brownish tee shot and red stretch pants. It wasn't perhaps the most stylish of disguises but it would have to do. Brussels plan was to pass himself off as an undercover policeman but he would need another prop if he was to have any hope of getting away with it. One day he spotted just the thing a walkie talkie charging in the infirmary to earn the Nurses Trust. He began taking them. Leftover Food Russell. Wilson meticulously studied the jails security searching for weeks spots that he could slip through only a month after his arrival. Russell was ready to make his exit on May Twelfth Nineteen ninety-two thirty five year. Old Russell brought a hamburger to the nurse on duty in the infirmary. While she was distracted he slid the walkie talkie into his bag and slipped away. He stashed the walkie elsewhere ready for his escape early. The next morning Friday the thirteenth Russell called a former coworker from his days. Cisco who live near the jail. Russell hung up as soon as Canaletto on said he just wanted to make. He was home next. Russell collected his hot pants stain t shirt and walkie-talkie from his friend during the gods regular cigarette break he changed into his new outfit and made his way to the visitors area. He strolled right past to gone. Who didn't give him a second glance when he reached the security check point? He raised the walkie talkie casually and confidently to tap on the control booth window. The God opened the doors without question. Russell was thrilled but he forced himself not to walk too fast as he crossed over to the visitor side. He had the first hurdle but there was one more obstacle in his path. Russell made his way through the lobby to the front doors of the jail. He pretended to speak into the walkie talkie both for an air of authenticity and to hide his face. He waited for someone to shout at him shoots at him all tackle him to the ground but no one did. He stepped out of the doors and into the cool morning air. He was free coming up next. Russell goes on the run leading the authorities on an international game of cat and mouse now back to the story on Friday may thirteenth Nineteen ninety-two. Thirty five year old. Stephen Russell escaped from jail for the First Time. But he didn't stop to celebrate he had to get as much distance between him and the jail as possible and fast as he walked away from the visitor's entrance to the Harris County Jail Russell waved his walkie-talkie at a passing driver and got them to stop. He claimed to be a police officer having car trouble and asked the driver to take him to a nearby. The driver bought his story and obliged Russell kept the woke Tokyo on display hoping to distract from his unorthodox. Red Pants and Brown tee-shirt once they reached the hotel. Russell made call to his former coworker. Ad Judo he said that he'd been robbed and asked his friend to bring him change of clothes and some cash so he could get home. His friend agreed and arrived within the hour. Russell quickly changed into the. Ill fitting clothes that analogy brought and had his friend drop him off at another hotel in. Houston just as. He closed the door to his room. He heard an all points. Bulletin for his rearrest come through on his stolen walkie-talkie lesser conmen might have panicked but Russell kept a cool head. He was fluent in police jargon from his time in law enforcement so he knew exactly what to say using the two way Radio. He impersonated a police officer and said that he'd spotted himself on the opposite side of the county in another effort to throw police off his sent. He booked a flight to his hometown of Norfolk using his own name. This was just a decoy. Russell actually headed to Miami where he reunited with James Capel Russell and Campo laid low in a hotel and made arrangements to fly to Mexico. Their plan was for Russell to travel. I with Ken pull joining him a week later. Russell made it to the airport. But just as he was about to board his flight his heart got the better of him. He couldn't bring himself to leave without can pull. He left the terminal and walk to the parking lot before he reached his car to us. Marshals arrested him and took into the date while Ken pulls mother had tipped off the authorities about their plan understandably. She didn't think it was a great idea for her son to run off to Mexico with a convict. It seemed Russell's prison break had come to a rather disappointing end but he was just getting warmed up the next day. Russell represented himself in court. He argued that he should be released on bond. Since his home was nearby in Palm Beach Florida he conveniently left out the fact that he jumped bail before and authorities have just apprehended him at an airport about to skip town. Amazingly the judge agreed and set a very low bail. Russell only had to put up two thousand dollars to secure his release. Once he posted the Bond Russell was off and running again resuming his attempt to leave the country. He and his boyfriend caught a flight to Mexico City on the way. Russell penned a letter to the judge who had sentenced him for passport. Fraud apologizing for not turning himself in but Russell didn't really regret his decision to flee. The notes was just another ruse to cover his tracks. He gave the letter to a flight attendant and had her male it from her neck stopover in the Dominican Republic meanwhile Russell and his boyfriend arrived in Mexico City where Russell good a job as a consultant for small oil company. One could accuse Russell of many things but being lazy is not one of them. He kept himself busy even while on the Lam. Unfortunately Russell couldn't sell the oil company on his big ideas and he soon grew bored with Mexico. City it was also concerned about the healthcare options available for his boyfriend who is HIV positive. Russell and KEMP will return to the United States laying low in New York and Philadelphia for about a month. Each Campbell's health began to fail. And he longed to return home to Florida so in July nineteen ninety-two Russell lined up a joke for himself. Managing a fast food restaurants in Miami things went to a right until that number when Russell was assigned to a new location. He butted heads with his new boss. And in retaliation began skimming a couple hundred bucks from the cash register every night to conduct his nightly rubbery. He stole a program key for the computerized system and used it to clear. The running totals at the end of the day that way no record remained to show. How much money should have been in the till? Russell got away with this Scott. Free until he left the job. The stool manages noticed that there was suddenly a lot more money in the register when he wasn't around in response. The company called the police. Detective arrived at Russell's door to question him but Russell claims complete innocence. In fact he was so aggrieved by the accusation that he threatened to sue the COP and the restaurant. Confidence was quite persuasive and the charges were dropped however he thought it was best to move onto the next town or the same. Russell applied to work for nutrisweet a Chicago based Food Company as the director of North American sales. He made too small but significant changes to his resume before sending a tin I. He put the name of his boyfriend. James Temple at the top and second he invented some experience running his own produce company in San Francisco. He was up against hundreds of candidates. Many of whom were more qualified on paper but while those other applicants might have been better at reading balance-sheet Russell was better at reading people. His modified resume got him an interview at the company's headquarters where he was able to use his powers of persuasion to full effects as quoted. In I love you Phillip Morris. A true story of life love and prison breaks. Russell said listening to a person is the key to being able to outwit them. Although simply listening to someone won't convince them to do anything. This kind of attention can facilitate other persuasive strategies for example social psychologists Robert Shell Dini wrote that a perceived similarity creates a presumption of goodwill and trustworthiness in other words people like those who are like them and people are more inclined to hire someone that they like listening closely to his interviewer might have given Russell more opportunities to find common ground thus generating goodwill and increasing his odds of getting the job whichever strategy. Russell chose it worked. He landed the sales position with nutrasweet. And the eighty five thousand dollar salary that came with it Russell. Campbell moved to Chicago in January nineteen ninety-three and Russell dove into a new series of scams. I he worked nutrasweet under James Campbell's name not only did using this alias. Let him continue to keep a low profile it also provided his HIV positive boyfriend with excellent health insurance. It was a pretty sweet setup but Russell didn't stop there he also count several life insurance policies in Campos name and while he was at it he embezzled forty five thousand dollars from the company. Within ten months through phony expenses it turns out. Russell should have quit while he was ahead. The expense account griff cost him his plum job. When in November nineteen ninety-three nutrasweet discovered his creative accounting during a routine audit the company swiftly terminated him but didn't press charges in order to avoid bad publicity. Well Russell had been working for nutrasweet. Campos health further deteriorated and he needed round. The Clock Care Temple wanted to return to Florida to be near his mother in his final days. So thirty six year old. Russell sent out another batch. Af- resumes again using chemicals name in January nineteen ninety-four Russell landed a job as VP of finance for a launch medical management company and one of their subsidiary companies again. Russell engaged in some creative accounting and decided that each company should pay him a separate seventy five thousand dollar salary for a total of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars per year. Since he was in charge of the company's finances no one was. The wiser. Russell flees the company in this way for four months until he felt d seen. I was about to catch onto his racket. He abruptly left his position in April. Nineteen ninety-four before his double-dealing was discovered but before he resigned Russell to count several more life insurance policies in his ailing boyfriend's name to the tune of half a million dollars. Russell's intuition was right on the money shortly after his hasty departure D. C. I discovered the extra paychecks that Russell was writing himself and alerted the police. The authorities began looking into James Chemical. Since that was the name Russell had been working under. Investigators suspected more fraud was aford when they found out temple had AIDS and notice several life insurance companies in Brussels Rolodex by that point Russell and can had already skipped town. The couple flew to Philadelphia under false names and began withdrawing funds from their many bank accounts. Campbell's health had deteriorated further but he wanted to conduct the transactions on his own to prove that he could still handle his own affairs here. Russell made another serious. Miscalculation he agreed to stay back at the hotel while his boyfriend went to the bank alone. But Ken pulled did not have Russell's knack for keeping cool under pressure. The bank manager found chemical substantial withdrawal peculiar and questioned. His motivations temple fell to pieces. Unto the manager scrutiny. Realizing Campbell had been gone for over an hour. Russell called the bank to find out what was happening. He was only able to speak to Campbell briefly but the exchanged code word that let Russell no the Jig was up will pondered his next move over room service but while Russell broke his fast. The police broke down and got him to reveal where his boyfriend was staying. Ten police officers showed up at Russell's door before he could finish his steak and eggs. Russell and Campbell were both charged with Federal Bank fraud for the D. C. I Life Insurance Scam Temple was released on bond to his mother in Florida but the authorities were not so lenient with Russell. He was sent to a Federal Correctional Facility in New Jersey. A thousand miles away from the sunshine state. Russell talked to Campbell on the phone every day helpless to do anything while his boyfriends disease progressed a month later on July Seventeenth Nineteen ninety-four James pulled died of AIDS at the age of twenty eight. Russell was completely devastated by the loss but he was also inspired when he learned that temples charges had been dropped because he was terminally. Ill Hoping for similar clemency. Russell got back to work. Plotting his next escape around the same time. Russell had made the acquaintance of fellow inmates who happens to be a doctor. Russell grilled the physician about the symptoms of HIV and AIDS. Then armed with this information. Russell starved himself until he lost. Fifty pounds became incontinent. Russell soon appeared deathly ill but he knew that looks alone. Wouldn't get him out. He used a prison typewriter to edit his lab reports to show that he was indeed in the final stages of AIDS Russell then presented this evidence to the prosecutors and believing him to be a death stool the US attorney's dropped the federal charges against him. Russell had pulled off another incredible con but even with the federal charges dismissed. He still owed time to the state of Texas. In December nineteen ninety-four Russell was extradited back to Harris County to face state felony charges for his escape and bogus and full Harris County. Jail was fast becoming something of a good luck charm for Russell. Not only had already escaped. Its spas once before but it was the place where he would meet the next love of his life. Philip Morris a man who had inspire Russell to pull off more ambitious scams and increasingly sensational jailbreaks. These criminal antics would soon make Stephen Russell one of the most well-known con men in the world. Thanks for listening to Artis. We'll be back next week with part two of Stephen Russell Story. We'll hear how he fell madly in love with Philip. Morris and orchestrated increasingly elaborate escapes from jail to reunite with him. We'll also hear. How his obsession with Morris finally landed him behind bars for good for more information on Stephen Russell amongst the many sources we used we found. Steve mcvicker book. I Love You Phillip Morris. A true story of life love and prison breaks extremely helpful to our research. You can find old episodes of con artists and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only despite defy already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy fee to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like Catis for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream on autism spotify. Just open the APP and type con artists in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at Parkas network. I'll see you. Next time cornutus Bruce created by Max Cutler and this upon US studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler sound designed by Dick Schroeder with production assistance by Ron Shapiro collie madden and Erin lesson. This episode of Con Artist was written by Noni awkward argue with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon. I'm murder.
Full Episode: Thursday, May 23, 2019
"Hey, I'm Brad milkey from ABC news. And if you like world news tonight, I wanna let you know about another podcast that I host called start here. Every morning in twenty minutes. We'll give you a whip around the biggest stories driving the day with context from the people who are covering them up close that includes David Muir, Tom yomas, the whole world news tonight team so start smart and subscribe to start here. Tonight as we come on the air storm slamming the east just as billions now travel for the holiday Washington, D C in Maryland, the tornado warning bear as this system. Now moves north Philadelphia, New York the same system that brought that deadly tornado homes destroyed at Terry through Missouri's capital and e f three tornado their wins one hundred sixty miles per hour. Rob Marciano again tonight. Timing this out with millions of Americans now on the move. The remarkable moment playing out late today at the White House. The president calling on staff members on live TV so they could tell the American people, the president kept his cool in that meeting with house speaker, Nancy Pelosi Ben calling himself a stable genius giancarl standing by live set free tonight, the American who left the US spent time in an kite training camp captured after nine eleven tonight. He's now been released from prison for good behavior. Some of daugherty's warned he still has terrorist sympathies. He will limit the US where he's headed. Night, the daycare under arrest tonight, accused of leaving a four month old, baby girl in daycare van, the baby did not survive. We have reported on the eight year old girl pulled from her mother that kidnapper racing off eight hours later rescued from a hotel room. But tonight here what we did not know authorities had been to that room earlier in the day. Even questioning the suspect not seeing the girl gas prices tonight as this holiday approaches, the five states words, the cheapest at where it's most expensive and all of the family and the jeffersons and their comeback. The music the flood live TV that had them all laughing and the surprise that door. This is ABC news tonight with David new. Good evening. It's great to have you with us here on a Thursday night. We have a lot to get to tonight and we begin with those storms raging in the east at this hour, just as millions now travel for the long holiday weekend, a tornado warning your Washington DC for a time the capital, disappearing in that storm late today that same system, moving north at this hour brought an e f three tornado in the middle of the country, winds of one hundred sixty miles per hour in Missouri. There was a direct hit on the capital Jefferson City. You can see the homes just destroyed and tossing pickup, trucks and cars on top of one another all of this tonight, fifty five million Americans from the plains to the northeast are now in the path of these severe storms just as this holiday, nears meteorologist, rob Marciano, which the track. And the timing tonight he's in the storm zone tonight tornado warnings and power flashes in the Washington DC area that powerful storm system racing east after violent tornadoes pummeled the heartland overnight. Nato's irons sounding the alarm in Missouri that thing is a block in front of my house, and it's going to get so dark, nobody's going to see it light flashes revealing in especially dangerous nighttime twister, moving toward Jefferson City, a rare tornado emergency and Missouri's capital. We've got multiple people tramped every time. Believes. Technopark daybreak revealing the devastation residents trying to salvage what they can after an e f three twister winds up to one hundred sixty miles per hour ripping off roofs. The ferocious tornado with enough force to knock over this semi, and then go right into this neighborhood roof tile lumber insulation. Strewn all about snapping these trees in half destroying people's lives crossing a major highway miles before it even gets to Jefferson City and at this car dealership vehicles, thrown like toys. Well, it's pretty amazing. If you look close, Kevin Riley's family has owned this business for three generations. What are they saying when they see your light this? Permanent for you. As many feel you got that kind of really good. Yeah. First responders some using dogs going door to door. Thankfully, everyone in town is accounted for tonight incredible. How might heavy damage there is. And how nobody died here. The only words I can put it the word I can put it this word miracle tragically in golden City, Missouri. Three people were killed when the storm hit there in Oklahoma days of rain, making rivers rage, taking out homes. Runaway barges careening downstream watches. They get sucked into a Dan. Officials now releasing more than one point eight million gallons of water per second from the keystone dam and sounding sirens to warn residents downstream of impending flooding. All right. So let's get right back to rob Marciano again tonight now reporting in from Jefferson City, Missouri to stunning pictures, there, rob, and I know you're following get another active situation as we head into the evening. What's the track well, so much dynamic in this atmosphere, and how much power with this storm? I mean when you see these pictures, full-size SUV's, heavy trucks piled on top of each other tossed, like toys more back there. Eight hundred vehicles here, all of which are damaged some of which will be total. Of course. They're grateful that no one was killed her miraculously, but the energy from this system, part of it going through the northeast as David mentioned, here it is on the radar. We still have a couple of thunderstorm watches posted. But it's going, mostly offshore. We've got another pulse coming through tonight through West Virginia. And then another setup here in the plains tornado watch out for the Texas panhandle and flood warnings for Tulsa, Wichita Springfield, that's gonna be problem because over the next couple of days. These storms will produce some heavy rain along with severe weather across Oklahoma City during the day tomorrow, in through Wichita. That's the flood zone. Kansas City as well. You see that system doesn't move too much so that threat will continue right through the weekend. David, unfortunately, we'll be watching it. All Robert, thanks to you again tonight. We move on this evening to that. Unexpected moment playing out late today at the White House. President Trump calling on staff members on live TV so they could tell the American people that he had kept his cool in that meeting with house speaker Nancy Pelosi late today he called Pelosi a mess calling himself a stable genius, and tonight speaker Pelosi's response. Just in, here's our White House correspondent Jonathan Karl. House speaker Nancy Pelosi today, accused the president of picking a fight with Democrats to create a distraction from his problems, saying he exploded in anger before walking out of their meeting at the White House yesterday. The president again stormed out, I think. Earth pound, the table, walk out the door. Another ten temper tantrum I pray for the president of the United States. I wish that his family or administration staff would have been intervention for the good of the country. The president was watching the speaker's comments and clearly didn't like what are you heard sort of a nasty type statement? But I will say this she, she said, I walked into the room right next door yesterday and walked in and started screaming and yelling just the opposite. Just the opposite. She's a mess. The president then began calling on his aides one by one to say that he had been totally calm. I in Kellyanne Conway, Kellyanne, what was my temperament yesterday in the number and the White House press secretary to Sarah. We're just talking about the meeting you were there yesterday where you just come forward as anybody knows. Sarah when just talking about the media yesterday. The narrative was, I was screaming and ranting raving. It was terrible. I watched Nancy and she was all crazy yesterday. She with the hands and everything just out of curiosity. You were there. What was my tone today? Intimated very calm. I've seen both and this was definitely not. Hurry or ranting Pelosi says the president wants Democrats to start the process of impeaching him. Do you wanna be impeached? Anybody? Nobody wants to be impeached, but he continues to insist he won't do business with Democrats until they stop investigating him. He also accused the speaker of losing it saying she doesn't understand the issues. But he does. I mean, extremely stable genius. Let's get to Giancarlo live at the White House watching this unfold, all day long. And John speaker Pelosi now responding to the president's comments tonight she responded with a quip on Twitter, David saying, quote, when the extremely stable genius starts acting more presidential. I'll be happy to work with him on infrastructure trade and other issues. So as you can see speaker Pelosi continues to look for every opportunity to provoke the president. David not over yet. Giancarl. Thank you, next. The man known as the American Taliban has been set free tonight. John Walker Lindh was today released from prison on good behavior after his arrest after nine eleven in Afghanistan serving seventeen years for supporting the Taliban, he'd actually spend time in an Okita training camp. Tonight. Some authorities warn he still has terrorist sympathies. He will live in the US ABC's. Johnson has new reporting on where the so-called American Taliban. John Walker Lindh slipping out of this Indiana prison before, dawn, these American citizens to right now very prisoner. The California who converted to Islam captured in Afghanistan just weeks after nine eleven today released after serving only seventeen of his twenty year sentence, President Trump saying he wanted to stop it. But legally couldn't what bothers me more than anything else is that here's a man who has not given up his proclamation of terror, and we have to let him out in my happy about it, and not even a little bit controversy growing after government reports found that Lind continued to advocate for global jihad and made pro ISIS statements behind bars. The family of Mike Spann a CIA officer who interrogated Lind jus-. Before he was killed by militants appealed directly to President Trump expressing concern, and even more shocking now that we know, he's just only continued his radical ideas and thoughts while in prison. Lind was released on probation for good behavior with restrictions on internet access travel, and requiring mental health treatment. David experts. Tell us that about eighty convicted terrorists will be released from prison in the next five years and officials worry about how those individuals will be rehabilitated as for Lind. Retold, he's on the move to his new home in Virginia outside Washington, David Johnson on the story from Indiana. Again tonight. Thank you with next this evening. The owner of daycare is under arrest tonight in Jacksonville, Florida, accused of leaving a four-month-old girl in daycare van she did not survive. And here's ABC's Victor Kindo today, the code number Judson Ville, Florida daycare facing judge after allegedly leading a four month old baby girl to die in this been in the blistering sun. Daryl Ewing, arrested and charged with child neglect from about eight AM to about a little after one o'clock PM, so almost five hours, the sheriff's office, says Ewing, transported, the children to the daycare yesterday and unloaded them, including two of the victims siblings. But when their mother called in the afternoon police say workers realized the baby. Wasn't there? She was found still in her Coursey with temperatures outside topping ninety one degrees. One mother did not want to be identified telling our Jacksonville affiliate. She pulled her children out of that daycare, after they were once left behind bay enough on the same that daycare van, luckily there with gray school, as and could get ourselves all David, the department of children and family says, the daycare, never told them they were transporting children. So that part of the operation was not inspected David victory candle tonight from Florida. Thank you. Victor next to the growing tensions with Iran. President Trump was brief late today about those Pentagon plans for thousands of troops that could be sent to the Middle East to meet the threat from Iran, according to the administration just minutes before that briefing. The president was asked if he's going to send more troops. And he said, I would, if we need them, I don't think we're going to need them. So let's get right back to our chief global affairs. Correspondent Martha Raddatz on this again tonight, Martha the bottom line here. What are your sources telling you are more US troops expected to? Be sent to the region as you said, David, the president made his comments before he had been briefed by Pentagon officials and it is awfully hard for a commander in chief to turn down recommendations from his military commanders if they are asking for force protection for their troops, and that is what officials say, this is all about telling us that under discussion are more air and missile defenses possibly more ships and reconnaissance planes, all they say to protect American forces and interests in the region. But David in the end, it will, of course, be up to the president still unclear tonight. Alright Martha Raddatz Martha, thank you. There is a sweeping new indictment tonight against Julian Assange, the Justice department filing eighteen charges against the WikiLeaks founder, accusing Assange of working with Chelsea Manning in violation of the espionage act and putting the US at risk by publishing thousands of secret documents his attorney calling an attack on freedom of speech scientist, currently serving a fifty weeks sentence in a British jail, and he's fighting extradition to the United States. Next here tonight to a father from Utah, who died on Mount Everest, after reaching the summit and reaching a goal few have ever been able to do. Don cash had quit his job to pursue his dream of climbing the highest summit on every continent. Everest was his seventh and final summit ABC Clayton San del with the final message tonight that he had just sent his son when Don cash reached the top of Mount Everest this week, he completed an achievement few ever will conquering, the tallest peak on all seven continents. But while taking pictures at twenty nine thousand feet hiking guides say cash fainted from high altitude sickness sherpas gave him oxygen and CPR and tried moving him to a lower camp, but he did not survive cash was fifty four a family man, from Utah, and a hardcore climbing enthusiasts. Who once lost fingers and toes of frostbite, he documented his journey to Everest on Instagram including this close call. One of the last messages. He sent was to his son. He said, I feel so blessed to be on the mountain that I read about for the last forty years cash is the second person to die on Everest in the last week. And right now, good weather means peak crowds this picture showing more than three hundred climbers, waiting in line to reach the summit tonight. It's not clear if caches body will be recovered or stay on the mountain that has claimed hundreds of climbers, David Clayton Sandell tonight. Thank you Clayton. And to the economy now, and the Trump administration is rolling out a new round of aid for American farmers hurt by the trade war with China. The sixteen billion dollar program will go to crop farmers as well as dairy and pork producers, who sales to China plunged since both countries have imposed tariffs. This is the second bailout now for farmers because of the president's trade policies. There is still much more head on world news. Tonight this Thursday news on gas prices, just as the holiday approaches, the five states where they are the cheapest tonight. And the five were their most expensive also that scare passenger jet overshot that runway what pilots asked to do just beforehand reporting here. Also, breaking news, coming in, and Mario batali now facing criminal charge tonight, and news this evening about the eight year old girl pulled from her mother, the kidnapper racing off eight hours later rescued from a hotel room. 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#73: Discipling Millennials Part 1
"Hello and welcome to this episode of making disciples with Robbie Gallery a resource to equip and encourage leaders to make disciples who make disciple makers. I'm your host Chris. Wayne here with Robert. Gallucci the pastor of long-haul Obama's church founder and president of replicate ministries stories. Today on the podcast you may notice a little different voice introducing today because Chris Wayne is actually Disney right now. I don't think he's having more fun than we are but he is having fun but we want to talk about. It's great that's actually questionable. I I'm not a roller coaster rider. You're not aligned line standard stander you ever seen a guerilla. Try to get into a Volkswagen before. No but I can imagine. That's me on the mine train. I'm not too keen about going to Disneyworld. 'cause I can't do much there but it is the kids love it. You need a vacation after that. That's exactly right any okay. Who millennials I think like to go to Disney and that's what we want to talk about today now going to Disney but disabling millennium good segue? How Oh exactly do we reach millennials? Do we disciple them any different than somebody older than them. What exactly does it look like to reach this seemingly confusing generation of millennials okay? So let's define millennials. I'm in the room. Actually with three millennials I feel like the old guy in the room. We have Mr Dylan Young. WHO's on the upper end of the millennial factor most averages would put me right smack DAB in the middle? Oh Okay you got a twenty year age range right now. You're nineteen thirty nine. That's what qualified are you serious. Okay wow so Colton. On the lower end golden squeaks in Dylan in the Middle Twenty nine years old I feel like I'm close to being a millennial Yaqub a good is a good. And then we have Mr Jonathan Simon who has replaced you the new factors the pack. Yeah is the fact checkers slash pastoral assistant here. WHO's on the lower to middle? Lindh Twenty six okay. So I've got three millennials in the room talking about discipleship with millennials. All right. Let's let's talk about some things we know for. Sure you're or or we know about millennials Seventy percent of the careers. This is. What's interesting that millennials will have have not even been invented yet? Let let me say seventy percent of the careers they're gonNA have. They haven't even thought people having thought of yet. Because I am now I think the reason for that is because it's technology driven right millennials are the first generation particularly the middle to lower that grew up with the Internet right social media phones. I don't remember a time without the Internet. Do you remember time without cell phones. Yes a you. I'm a little bit older than that. But yes okay Colton might not. I don't know what about Mr Jonathan. Simon Oh yeah the big monitors. Yeah okay. America's largest generation ever is the millennial generation ration- that we want to reach. Yes that's unreasonable. And they view social norms As as approaching them with a question question why why do we do we do. Why do we do this? Why have we always done this And I think just generation has endless possibilities. Now here's the challenge for us as Pastors Leaders Ministers of the Gospel. You can't reach millennials today with the same techniques quote unquote that that we used in generations previously And what I mean and and I think that's one of the reasons just in general. Churches are not seeing people. Come come to church as they did in years prior. Here's why the days of just having a good sermon Decent worship and a good children's program and opening opening the doors to the community and expecting everyone to come in Those days are over. You know what I'm saying like like people in America today don't think I've got to do do my obligatory Sunday morning. attendance. Just because I have to do. And that's what you do in Christian America's south or or Christian America Bible. Oh that's not the way people think anymore. Especially not millennials. Okay you have so many options of things to do why. Why do I need to go to church? I got plenty of I take up my time. Yeah exactly okay. So let's talk about four. The this is going to be helpful for you. If you're trying to reach millennials let's talk about four attributes attributes for Virtues four things millennials are passionate about Dylan. Did the research on this He actually came up with an Acronym won't you tell them about the acronym Dylan the acronym. Chris Wayne helped me with this. I don't WanNa take all the credit but okay well he did help. I want to give them a little bit. Just replaced him. I don't WanNA start making enemy. Okay okay good. Chris did help with this. Okay we the main two books that we use to do research. This was a highly recommend. There's a book called the new Copernican by David. Seal so that again. The new COPERNICAN call the copernicus the Copernican were copernicus was a guy that questioned social norms. Line the millennials do he questioned Things in the universe and people thought thought he was crazy for the way planets where line things like that but it turns out. He wasn't that crazy after all. So millennials a lot of times we're viewed you'd like. We're weird because we do things different but maybe we're not that weird And then the other book appropriately titled The millennials by Tom Rayner. He did a bunch onto research pulled. A lot of millennials. Ask them a lot of questions In from those two books we came up with an acronym. The way you're gonNA reach millennials. Just this to care about them to actually put in the effort to care about them and that's the millennial that's the acronym you want to be compassionate. We need to have compassion initiatives. She gives Thanks for them to be involved in. We need to be authentic millennials. Maybe more than any other generation can sniff out fake and we can tell if you're real or not pretty quick You want to make your church to something. That's relevant Compared to other things in the community that they might do and then something that's engaging something that they can be involved in and That they're not just gonNA come as we say so often just to sit and soak on a Sunday morning. Let me one book just got this one. I haven't read it yet so I don't aw. I hate to endorse a book. I haven't read it but actually endorsed but I do think this could be helpful with our conversation. It's a brand new book just came out by David Kinman from the Barna Group and mark met Matlock. It's called faith faith for the exiles faith for exiles and basically what they're talking about is how do you reach people who have exiled from the church. Now these could be millennials. But I think this is more for just people. Oh who have come to church and been desensitized to church their They don't care about searching so that would be another one as well. I think could be health. Okay let's dive into this time into this acronym let's say diverse one compassion. What do you? What do you mean by compassionate? Why why should we be compassionate? Actioner show compassion. MILLENNIALS are motivated by compassionate initiatives. You may remember the end it movement or Kony any two thousand twelve. who was at things like those was the Kony two thousand twelve by remember that this is a good example because honestly don't remember what it was? I don't either but millennials. Those were all about it. You're wanting to Hashtag things that fact. Check the Jonathan Simon fact check the Kony two thousand twelve already on it. Do you know anything about a Colton. And it was wildly popular as you could tell. Hilton was probably seven. This happened so but people got behind it. It was Hashtag all over the place. That was what they wanted to be. A part of they wanted to feel like they were a part of something that was helping people the in the church. Obviously we want to do things that help help people. We've got a few things coming up even here at long hollow like the gift which is where we want to take an initiative in helping out single mothers Initiatives like that. Those are the kind of things that millennials are going to get behind And then needs to be something that you make sure your church has okay. How how do we let? Let's think through this. How do we do that in the area of disciple making or discipleship so one of the ways I was thinking is I have always tried to take my discipleship groups this. This is an insight that I've done years for years now and it's been encouraging and they look forward to it. I have tried to take my group's on excursions if you will once sir twice a year okay so a staple for me in in in years past has been taking my entire discipleship group to the prison or to the local jail normally only a prison a maximum security prison And what I'll do is I'll take them in and then we'll go into the prison together now the first time I did this I in fact got had all millennials in the group which was interesting first time I did this. I was at brainerd They scheduled me to come in and preach to all of the the wings of the of this jail. Oh and they had like two guys wings and one women's wing and if you basically open the cell doors up I could sit in the middle section which was like like a pod and I had like they had a piano setup and then they had a speaker system and I project into the cells and the prisoners could come to the line. This is what I thought was fascinating. They could come to the line that was on the ground but they couldn't come over the line. Okay so you have hundreds of prisoners literally only a stone's throw away with a painted line on the ground quote unquote holding them back from coming up. So I take a bunch of no offence guys from the Middle Tennessee or or East Tennessee and Chattanooga who had never been to a prison never even seen a prison up close and yet the passers GonNa take them on this occur. Uh here's what I saw him on the way there. I say guys we'RE GONNA go in here and I'm not going to do all the ministry I'm GonNa Preach but then at the end I want you guys to help counsel and pray over people. They said really us. I said it'd be fine. So we got there. I preached and sure enough. I said anybody want to accept. Jesus I want you to come to the line. Just come court into the line. There was probably twenty twenty five people. Well I couldn't counsel all these people so as I gave the invitation I deal and I said Hey I looked to the to to the Garden I said Hey could we go into the pods. Could we go into the cells. He said sure if you want to so I grabbed the guys with me and I said Hey I need did you to go in. Let's go in and counsel these people and They were blown away for like what are you talking. But they acted quickly so then we went in and so they they sort of praying by the time we offer. They like thirty minutes praying accounting people. When we left I looked around? Here's a bunch of guys who said previously. I'd never prayed out loud. I never prayed publicly. I never really prayed people really. Here's a bunch of guys. I looked my left and right were counseling and praying and asking the Lord to to work in. NPR's like so we get back in the car we drive home. One of the guys tells me this. I've never forgotten this the the week before we just studied prayer we were going through Wayne Gruden systematic traumatic theology book which. I don't recommend doing today but back. Then that's what I did. So we're going through the chapter. On prayer like providential prayer prayer of God's sovereign and I told him well the answer is because he told us to. But anyway so We were coming home. And here's what one of the guy says and I've never forgotten this. He said Robbie. I have to be honest with you. He he said I've been in church my whole life. He said I've been. I've heard sermons on prayer of I've gone through Bible Studies on prayer. You're teaching on prayer. He said I wanNA tell you something I. I learned more about prayer in the last thirty minutes and I've learned my tire Christian life because I did it. That's what Milan in a sense. millennials want to do something something. They don't want to talk about something they don't want to think about something they don't WanNa strategy. You know what I'm saying. They actually would rather do think later about. They'd rather just do it like a give example when I go to a congregation. That's middle aged or older and I say. Hey here's a missionary. He's in China we're going to support this missionary. China here's what someone who's a boomer are buster or Or my generation. Here's what they do they they say well as you what is the what what what does that. What are the those generations do? I don't know that guy. Here's a missionary for China. Lit supporting getting hotter. They supporting Though some money at it they put money behind it. They'll come up after and say. Hey what are you need Jonathan Overseas he l. Let me write your check. That's that's an older regeneration. Here's what millennials do. What do they say? How can I go health that guy wh wing can I go to China? Exactly you see the difference and pastor listen or our ministry later. Listen if if you miss that so here. Here's the challenge. Here's a church if you're only building buildings if you're only calling pulling people to you then you're gonNA miss a generation of millennials who say man this is not compelling enough for. I'm not interested in doing that. Going to the mission field. I do that serving in our community. I'll do that so that's the first one compassion that's good stuff. That's the beginning of the acronym and I WANNA pause for remove to the rest of it to tell you guys about the blueprint two point. I know because this is part of the blue point. Two point one of the breakouts that we have at the blueprint is talking about this stuff. How we reach millennials how we disciple them and we wouldn't invite you guys guys to it? The blueprint to point. It's going to take everything you learned in the original blueprint and build on that. You're probably implementing those things and you hit some new roadblocks you've come up with some new challenges and now we wanna see what the next steps are to overcome those new things that we're learning about some of the sessions there include overcoming obstacles to sustain AINU disciple making movement as the challenge. A lot of. You're probably hitting at this point. I'm developing transformational group leaders. How do you develop your leaders in that setting and then talking talking about how do we reach these millennials? That's another one of them. If you sign up now before January first you can get into this blueprint for just one hundred and sixty nine dollars after that jumps comes up to one ninety nine and this is going to be a march fifth. Twenty twenty right here at long hollow. It's going to be here in Hendersonville the Nashville area. It's good place to come visit anyways. So why would you not You can go to replicate dot org and check out all the details on that blueprint. Two Point Oh coming up in March and we get the hang. I mean other than learning running and being challenged we get the hang us. See people we we hear about or people we have heard stories. Look forward to seeing you can come meet the voices. This is behind your favorite podcast. And we're back. I've been wanting to do that for a while now. The next part of our care acronym. We're moving into the idea of being authentic. I said before millennials can sniff out a fake. We can tell if you're real or not right right away. I think this is the most important part of the acronym millennials are all about relationships or constantly searching for those relationships online whether we realize is that are not in those relationships really are not relationships when it comes down to it well let me tell you. Let me push back on some people. 'CAUSE 'cause I've heard people say what kind of relationship relationship you have online. What kind of relationship can you have through the? What kind of relationship can you have the technology? So one of the things Chris and I Do Okay so Chris is a Gamer. I'M A video game. Okay we're GONNA I'm just GonNa admitted Colin's left and this is what I'm saying. You Act like a millennial thing. That's what's you're into. I've always played video games. And I and one of the things that's helped me with video game Hobby is that. I've been able to connect with other guys. Ice My age similar my age online in a community okay. So here's what's interesting. We'll go online and I do this every day but let's go online in the afternoon noon. Pray play for about an hour video games whenever we play we play Pudgy or we don't play fortnight because I think that's more of a quote unquote millennial game but anyway We play apex and some other. But here's the thing I get online with that community of guys. Okay and I know more ready for this about the lives of some of those guys online that and some of them. I've never met until recently then some of the people I know face to face some some people. I work with some people in the office. People in our church and you may say what are you talking about. That's crazy. Well it's because you can have community online. You can have community through technology but you shouldn't have community only on Li- that's the key and I think if we like my son rig if I let him he'll stay online all all day long he'll never talked to anybody face to face because he loves being online with gaming and so we need to stretch him now when he goes and spends time with friends and hangs out he loves it so I think that's something we need to think about. I love to hear the feedback from those listening. Because I think I've been thinking about this a lot. How do you disciple a technology driven generation K.? Because those are the questions we're going to have to answer in the days ahead where church attendance is increasingly diminishing. You remember the statistic Dylan. It's under two times a month. People are coming to church. Okay here's the new one. In two thousand. The the average Christian churchgoer went to church three point two times a month. Colton okay. So that means low over little over three times a much so they went sometimes. They went force and they went to but most time they went through the average churchgoer. Now I'm not talking about peripheral sidebar casual casual. I'm talking about people who would say self admit I go too long hollow. I go to first bath. I go to first methods whatever I'm at The PCH okay. These these are churchgoers. The average churchgoer goes to church ready for the new statistic. What do you think it is? Oh six at that is that is in might have cheated. That is exactly did you cheat. Wow He spends a lot any time. I mean that is that is better than Chris Because I normally catch Chris off guard. Chris has got it. Okay one point six times. So here's the thing if your church. Attendance is declining somewhat. It may not be because of people leaving you watch this. It may be because of the same people not coming as much as they did. In previous years. So what does that mean. Okay we either stick our our head in the sand and say I would just keep beating the drum keep ringing the bell. They just need a comeback church or we can begin to think about ways to reach millennials where they are and these are questions we need. So here's the question I'm a throughout their and maybe you go online and you can hashtag. the replicate podcasts cast or Hashtag replicate and. Let's answer this question. What do we do with people with discipleship and technology? So here's the question. Can you you disciple someone solely online. I don't know if we don't have an answer. Jonathan shaking his head. But I just want us to be open. He's new here okay as now. Can you disciple someone through facetime. Can you disciple group answer yet. These questions we not searching for answers sir. Can you disciple someone in a group setting online like the new facetime group chat or Google Hangout. I don't know those the questions Let let's see what you have to say. I'd love to hear what the audience is thinking. Yeah go online Hashtag aside and let us know what you think about that. You can hashtag replicate or the replicate podcasts. Can Dan you disciple people solely online. That's a good question. I think a better question is should you should you. That's a good one. I think they can you. I think yeah obviously but should would you. So give us some insight okay. Let's get back to authenticate. That's one of the things we talked about with the election. In Two thousand sixteen I think a lot of people said L. like some of the views Conservative millennials I like some of the views and the policies of Donald Trump. But it's hard voting for a man and with that kind of character. You know what I'm saying with that kind of bravado with that kind of arrogance we don't just take policies he's into consideration or believes inconsideration. We're taking the man into consideration almost had it the policies and the person you are so close I thought you were going to get it. Its policies and the person together right. I'll tell you a interesting way. Think of it Years ago one of the well I I would just say maybe today too but When preachers would get up to preach they got up and they had this quote unquote preacher voice? Okay you know what I'm talking talking about. You might even your preacher may do this may be style and that dogging the guy but I will say today in this day and age. Molina's have a hard time with this and they've even told me where here's what I'm talking about so you and I talking right now. We're just hanging out. You know just kind of voice. I'm talking this kind of way. They would. I get up to priests and I say Hey I gotta go preach open your bibles today to second timothy less painful. You've been there for. Yeah we're so glad to be in the Lord's House today and then he gets off the stage like yeah. Hey so glad you guys are here at the Church and what happens is there's a disconnect major your disc major and that's that's a subtle thing but that's exactly what we're talking about here. Here's the greatest thing I tell pastors and preachers. Ub You okay guy. Created you uniquely. There's no one else in the world like you so you don't have to pretend to be somewhat else you just be you. And that's what makes you unique for a preacher pastor teacher when the faster you can get to figuring out who you are and preaching the way God's gifted Judah Preach You will be unique. You will stand out because there's no one else like you and I think there's a great tendency to try to be someone we're not people are looking for authenticity. I don't even care if VR Molyneaux. Not Everybody's looking for somebody. Authentic Jimmy swaggart years ago and you may remember him. My Dad used to watch Jimmy Swaggart as a loss person. He Jimmy Swaggart at one. Time was one of the biggest televangelists in the world And he was on television. My Dad said he used to come home at night. Stay late up at night. Kickbacks from cold winds and watch Jimmy Swaggart so here he is drinking triggered budweisers and watch it and he was mesmerized by this guy. Okay the last person to challenge Jimmy Sweat and this is public knowledge Jimmy swaggart get caught not once but twice with prostitutes on airline highway. And the reason I know this is it happened in Louisiana. I'm from Louisiana and the reality is here's a man who was living one light. He was still preaching people. Were still getting saved. He put on this persona of this holier than thou pastor pastor and he had this alternative life going on simultaneously. Here's what's shocking. About this scenario. When he got caught thought for the second time this great warning to all of us when he got caught the second time they interviewed him again because he had already fallen once rebuilt his ministry back guy? Gave them another chance. And you know. And he was preaching again when he got caught the second time here. Someone questioned him a news report. A question Why did you do this again? What happened and I've never forgotten with swaggart? said he said I felt like listen. I felt like I was doing so many good things for God that he would make an exception for me. Here's a man who who loss. Authenticity lost Integrity and he thought. Here's here's the thing. It's easy for us to think we're doing all all these great things for God that he'll make an except one thing about the Lord he doesn't make an exception for anybody didn't make an exception for anybody so great challenge for us as we close. Let's live with integrity. Let's be the same person on the stage as we are off the stage and our people will recognize that name in aim into to that is a great place to close. This has turned into part. One of how to reach millennials. So we'll follow this up next week with the rest of the acronym if you would go online and rate this podcast on casts if it if you learn something every now and then if it gives you a laugh every now and then would you go online and share the podcast give us a rating five stars. If you really like it that much we would love that. We appreciate you guys listening. We will see you next week. Thank you for joining us for this episode of making disciples with Robert Gallucci. If you don't mind take a moment to subscribe and share the podcast gassed. You can find out more about disciple making resources related to disciple making and are customized training on our website at replicate dot org.
The O'Reilly Update, May 22, 2019
"Bill O'Reilly here. It is Wednesday may twenty second two thousand nineteen. You are listening to the Orion update. And here's what's happening across our nation, an American who joined the Taliban years before the nine eleven terror attack is set for an early release from prison. Former attorney general Loretta Lynch claiming James Komi lied during his congressional testimony congresswoman, Omar host the ever Ramadan feast inside the US capital, and commencement speakers talk to millions of college graduates across the USA. Also, coming up my message of the day, liberal politics injected into sports, but I to the war on terror John Walker Lindh better known as the American Taliban said to leave prison this week. Lynn was captured in Afghanistan in the fall of two thousand and one shortly after the nine. Eleven terror attack the young man converted from Catholic to Islam at the age of sixteen before moving to Pakistan to wage. Holy war against the USA. He has served seventeen years of his twenty year sentence authority say he is still quote, radicalize, John Walker Lindh out of prison newly released transcripts show. Former attorney general Loretta Lynch toll congressional leaders, she never instructed James Komi to down play Hillary Clinton's Email investigation as you may remember, Komi previously told lawmakers on Capitol Hill that the top Obama aide demanded he referred to Clinton's probe as a quote matter, rather than a quote investigation, obviously someone is not until Ling the truth. Controversial congresswoman Ilan Omar back in the news, hosting a Ramadan. Feast inside the US capitol for the first time in American history. The progressive lawmaker invited one hundred guests to the meal. Monday evening, cluding Goldstar father Qazir Khan who famously mocked, President Trump at the two thousand sixteen democratic national convention. It is graduation time for millions of American students across the USA the list of commencement speakers at colleges extensive headliners include vice-president Pence, apple CEO, Tim cook, Oprah Winfrey and surpreme court Justice, Sonia. Sotomayor coming up the message of the day, liberal politics injected into sports, but I are young lady was looking to buy her. First home in Texas, the market at her price point very hot. So. Oh, she went to real estate agents. I trust dot com for help to ensure her offer was accepted or agents suggested the following steps one, yet prequalified with a mortgage company that are agent at a history using to satisfy the sellers agent to find a home that was price to sell. So they knew the owner was ready to move three find a home. We'll located and price correctly. 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Now, some of those laws just dropped cable altogether for financial reasons, but many walked away from the far left commentators, who were masquerading sports analysts on ESPN, the Colin Jabber Nick's story, fueled this, then San Francisco forty nine a quarterback kneeling during the national anthem, citing lack of social Justice in America, as you may know other players, followed most of them African American President Trump criticized the players ESPN, primarily back, the protest, even though Mr.. Prac- was seen wearing socks depicting police officers as picks. Well, some Americans said, no more ESPN and the ratings plummeted now ESPN boss, Jimmy Petar, oh, says no more politics on his network. The folks don't want it, and that is true sporting events, should not be politicized. They are there to provide into tamen for everyone not divide. People doesn't matter, whether it's liberal or conservative, it's sports, not ideology. The iconic magazine Sports Illustrated has fallen into that trap is now a left wing bastion, and be sports recently hired reporter, Peter King, an ardent liberal. Why isn't there enough politics on cable and the networks? Obviously injecting politics into sports is bad business. It causes resentment. It takes away from the sporting events themselves. Give the folks a break, I must tell you that as a former athlete, and someone who understands the culture of both college and professional sports. I was surprised by how many sports writers are left wingers, I once throughout the first ball at city field before Mets game. Well, some of those sports writers were live, it, why was the Riley out there throwing out the first ball? Well, because I'm a lifelong met fan and a team doesn't give a hoot about politics and you shouldn't either what's the matter with you? But across the country if you read the newspapers and listen to some of the television radio commentary, you'll see most. Left wing politics. Again, I was very surprised by that. Summing-up ESPN has really taken it on the chin. The once dominant sports network has lost fourteen million viewers, and more are going to flee. Disney, which owns ESPN knows it's a disaster. So no more politics on ESPN. Good. For more commentary, please go to Bill o'riley dot com. No sports just facts, totally informative. I think you'll like it Bill O'Reilly dot com. Right back with something you might not know Bill O'Reilly here. We live in a very complicated world. So it's important that you protect yourself and the people you love. That's why I'm happy to tell you about a company. I recommend. Why is foods freeze dried food is a modern day miracle taste. Good is healthy. And most importantly, it stays good for up to twenty five years during superstorm sandy, I lost power for seven days. All my refrigerated food went bad, but not my food supply from wise. 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Why has the number increased so dramatically for younger people that all goes back to the far left domination of the American education system, according to a two thousand eighteen survey published by the national association of scholars democratic profess? Shire's outnumber Republicans by a margin of more than ten to one. The study also says seventy eight percent of academic departments have zero Republicans on staff with colleges and universities skewed left American students may not understand about the real history of socialism across the globe more than one hundred years after the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. We now have a very clear picture of the toll international communism and socialism as had on the world between the Soviet Union mouths, China other, communist, governments estimated one hundred million people have been killed through famine war or mass executions over the past two decades. We've watched as Venezuela has been devastated by the socialist policies of nNcholas Maduro and his predecessor who go shove ED's. Some academics still ignore all the evidence. That's not real socialism. They. They say they'll point two Nordic countries in Europe, as examples of nations, where socialism has succeeded what they don't tell you, is that while those nations have generous social welfare programs. Their economies are capitalist, according to the Heritage Foundation index of economic freedom, Nordic nations, rank among the highest in the world in terms of free markets with Iceland ranking even higher than the US, a famous conservative writer, once said, quote, socialism, as record failures so blatant that only an intellectual code ignore. It, unfortunately it appears America's intellectuals or some of them have convinced the number of Americans to ignore socialist failures. That is a very bad thing back in a moment. 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