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In VOGUE: The 1990s  |  Episode 1: The Rise of The Supermodel

Vogue Podcast

27:14 min | 11 months ago

In VOGUE: The 1990s | Episode 1: The Rise of The Supermodel

"One of the most pivotal moments in early ninety s fashion happened at John even thought she's nine hundred, hundred, one full runway show and I was lucky enough to be there. Johnny were showing with almost every other Italian designer in Milan showing it a space the. You kind of arrive to nine am show and you leave the APM show and it was pretty sold destroying way to experience clothing. You were lucky if you could find a kind of stale Anini, an indifference. Spread to get you through the day, the seats were very much assigned and there was absolute hierarchy, and that point I was the fashion director of Harper's and Queen. So I think I would have been in the front row. The. Front row by the way, we'll know the most prestigious place to sit was by no means the most convenient place to see or experience a runway. The the runways damn will always high-rise. So you're already looking up goals nostril. So the show Linda Evangelista opened the show and a short little black shift in these kind of fetish boots. Little bit simpler for Johnny this. New Decade vibe kind of leggings and a little shift dress says. She kind of fetish booth. Then of course, some amazing print moment. I always had some. Paper notebooks and I did very very elaborate sketches. A peach came down the runway ninety sketches but pretty detailed, and then I would write in additional notes of color and I write down the the go. That's Yasmine the ball. southastern. Gail Elliott. Classical. Print. Thin. Dave. Niamey causeway many dress with Lorden yellow. Jacket. So I was sitting there furiously sketching in my notebook every look that came down. And then Suddenly, I heard the opening strains of freedom on Janis runway. connick believed music. And it was like this electric. Had charged through the room. Evangelists came out in a very short flirty read kind of align mini-dress than Christie came out in a black version with a different neckline Niamey came out in a singing chrome yellow version, and finally Cindy Crawford. Again, and you know each having singly come out then they came out on over shoulder lip synching the words and kind of reliving that moment and then, and then really everyone's just like great. It was a real. Energizing. Zeitgeist fashion. And as I watched from my vantage point in the crowd, I realized that I found myself in the epicenter of fashion world at a moment when everything was changing. And what Johnny understood in what the rest of the fashion industry came to understand was that these supermodels they were symbol and an even a vehicle of that change. The fashion industry was floating into the mainstream this world that had been so exclusive and exclusion rate was now opening up. And of course, the moment that door opened jar and people could see kind of magical world through the slither in the open doorway. They wanted to break the door down. Welcome. To invoke the nine thousand, nine, hundred, ninety s cost about a pivotal time that. A. New Era in fashion and in culture. Join us as we examined the defining moments of the decade that shape fashion. As we know it today, we'll hear from fashion leaders, cultural icons and vogues own editor. Oriel team I'm on a winter and I'm Hamish Bowles Votes, international editor at large and your host. Modeling used to be a very different sort of profession. There was this dichotomy between runway models and print models. I mean literally the Cavaco's literally he. The African covered at that point they only needed to be fabulous from the neck up. And then you had you know runway models they had this turtle runway allure. Of course, always great looking maybe cover face that they had striking runway presents. So. There was an expectation that they would have perfect symmetrical voters that were easy for the krause people to fact from today's perspective way kind of now happily inured to the idea of body diversity on a runway. It's. Required. A different focus in prison to look back at the ages and realized that the runway body paradigm particularly for the Haute Couture Design Esus handcrafted clothing was. A A a symmetrical. FOCUSED COOKIE A. Norm and mold. You know there was a very, very particular cultivated runway walk the runway. Specific models knew how to do, which was you know I kind of S-? Lincoln. A twelve and Tan. They would walk down they turned it back. Twenty Goodman is sustainability editor and was fashion editor in the ninety S. Were completely vital that was what their job was as a mannequin for the clothes they were. Living Mannequins that could move and that could display whether the drape worked and so pride of place really was given to the clients designers that were considered sort of dress makers to the third set. They had that prominent clients in the front row. They'd all be immaculately dressed in head to toe outfits from the designers last. At houses like do. She for instance, it was almost like informal modeling in department store but of course, amplified to a very glamorous level with the occasional cameo from a print star like Imam or Jerry Hall. The might be music and A. Home Tannoy voiceover announcing the dresses And it would say numeral. Number one numerous. Then the buys the audience would be frantically scribbling down the numbers of the dresses that they want to by cross referencing the programs that have been put left on their seats for them. To the shows took forever because you're looking every straw of what was presenting. It. Wasn't a convention to in in almost any magazine that I know of to identify the models lead Baretti person is vogues archive editor. If they were identified, it was usually in the credits. So for insiders, they might have that knowledge, but the job was to present the close just like the runway models. They they generally aren't identified the job of Montreal was to show close, but by the end of the eighties that all started to change. The birth of the super model for me was linked with two of British folk year apart Mark Holgate Vogue Fashion News Director I was a student at the University of Northumbria and I was bored and I was like I'm going to buy this copy of folk to read it was a January. Nineteen, thousand nine edition British folk and it had Linda Evangelista and the cover Linda Evangelista haircut helped propel her into fame. She was the one that had the short boyish haircut. With the most typing. But then she started to do was she changed her hair color. From being Brunette to platinum blonde to being a redhead and she chose to do was she chose to debut those new hair covers on different covers of vote and that was I think the first moment I had this connection with I guess a fashion model and their appeal could transcend the cover and Costa being something that touched the lives of people in everyday life before she became a fashion designer. Or even a spice go Victoria Beckham remembers the influence supermodels had her I mean Linda was always my favorite supermodel can imagine my excitement Garin hairdresser in New York. That used to cut Linda's hair. He was the hairdresser the my little tiny pixie haircut that I had, which was very exciting probably exciting for me than it was the him. Linda. Evangelista like, Oh my God Garin a high fashion has stylist. There is no rules as far as it came to hair Linda went blond and then Linda went red head and all my clients were so impressed by having all these young fashion models and this'll on they all requesting haircuts, women taking these dives and going. If she can wear it. What's the trick Tartu imagined in today's? Well, this was something that was a major obsession. These women became more than just blank faces that stared out at us from a magazine Cover magazine page we got to know their names, Naomi, Campbell Linda, Evangelista Tatyana Potisk Christy Turlington. Cindy Crawford they were starting to appear also in British folk to Italian Vogue to American vogue. Playing different characters across these different issues in different kinds of narratives in different depictions. Somehow they were also themselves. All of these girls had. Great personality, and they also had great understanding of character and how they could transform themselves into different characters and one of the photographers who really took advantage of that was Peter Lindbergh. He really allowed them to be actors. One of the first stories that Peter and I did together was Naomi Campbell as a gauguin. Painting. We went down to Jamaica and we did that shoot. So the opportunity to do cultural references, art references that came up a lot here Lemberg y'all funded outdoor shoots or location shoots. So there is a sort of fresh air nece to his work, but there was also a cinematic quality his women were often. Moving and happy and there is an idea of natural beauty. It wasn't about a lot of makeup. It was the fresh natural beauty, some sort of connection with nature but seen through cinematic. Not Hitchcock Ian, but like sort of a classic frame like a still shot from a film often. Cut to a year later, the January one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, cover a black and white cover Linda Evangelista Christy Turlington and Tatyana potisk Naomi Campbell and Cindy Crawford. Now, not in some fantasy setting, there are no. You know looking like they've got incredibly elaborate hair and makeup and jewels on they look quite natural. The hair is kind of not overly done. They don't like wearing a ton a makeup there in jeans with these talks. Of being a snapshot kloss photo of five of the most important models of the moment, and again, it was that moment of both anticipate. Really kind of it really hit home I think in a major way. That snapshot also caught the eye of another important thicker and he would propel supermodels into the stratosphere. More after the break. Allure. Do I really need to wear sunscreen. WanNa. Make my pores smaller. I M Michelle Lee the editor in chief Galore and I'm Jenny by executive beauty director here at a lower were always been questions about how to choose the right experience or conditioner or serum. So we started a podcast about it the science of beauty. We'll be learning all about what to do and what not to do to stay looking your best tune into the science of beauty. Annapolis, podcast spotify wherever you get your podcasts. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one, George Michael was everywhere. He was a major pop popstar coming off the success of his latest single faith that had been a huge hit on MTV back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. George Michael Station he was a cultural icon working on his eagerly anticipated upcoming album but at that point, he felt that he was already overexposed and to become disillusion from the precious that pain brought so much. So in fact that when it came time to make the music video for his latest single freedom ninety, he refused to be in the video he was living a life as an idol. That was probably conflicted. You're always supposed to be on your always supposed to be beautiful. You're supposed to conform to the societal norms even if it's not true to yourself and how'd you break out of that when you're living in public will people even accept it if you if you do he hadn't come out at this point and I think in a way, this was a song of rebellion. Don He wanted to be free. But how can you be free when you're a celebrity? So he chose the supermodel says. What did George Michael WanNa free of what is the model look like when they're not a model. It was going to be a Linda Evangelista was gonna be Naomi Campbell it's going to be Christy Toddington. Tatyana tits and Cindy Crawford. Camilla Nickerson is a contributing editor. had. An extra and Queen. She'd been my sister went to. A, very talented editor in her own right and I knew that she got this Gig to George. Michael. Single and and that it was with the supermodels I didn't know what was being off. I didn't know early while I was doing a again very very luckily that probably somebody else had been asked but was got sick or something like it was purely. Just, totally chunks that Aiko Ost I'd never really been to film studio. So I walked into this room that was to site with all these stories and David finch serum. He kind of showed me these storyboards never seen a story but would but pretended I had. Christie to walk alone white sheet made of Irish linen but it needed to be one hundred foot long. And that was my budget gone right there. So the rest had to be like from my couplet. Two weeks later went to an old. Hangar and and it was like two caravans one for the girls and one for the boys tiny and then we get the girls dressed in there and You definitely knew who Michael was at the time I mean he was there on set. He was his much. He was a creative PA until the Gulshan in. All coming guy though huge personalities. So you know there I'm dress they're not super moguls. nope. Film stars that themselves to sing the guzzles proxy lines and China saying, let's say so. Navy's my boyfriend's big. Linda pulls by slatter over ahead it a it was great. It was so great. The music video was. Shot in. CPI Black and White Ninja Evangelist has discovered lips in King George's lyrics while sitting cross legged on the bare wooden floor of shabby apartment Cindy, Crawford, lip synching whilst naked in a bathtub Naomi's lip synching framed in the doorway. I mean, they were in the psych abandoned house seemingly no heat in like an oversized sweater. I. Think it's important to say that as glamorous as the supermodels are they weren't depicted as glamorous in the video I, mean besides their natural glamour to me, it shows the a more intimate domestic kind of feeling to the video. So feels. More vulnerable. You know. Here's here's the thing when I was a model, the thing that was clear to me is the generosity that model had the have in their DNA. And these girls were so generous with what they could put force. And they did it with freedom I mean if it if you needed to be vulnerable, you were able to to portray it to project it. If you needed to be harder, you could do that you. You could run the gamut of. DIFFERENT EMOTIONS That would have a resonance with whoever was watching you or you know looking at an image of you. Looking back I think that MTV generation, the fact that we were all tuning in there was this new medium that fused fashion in music. It was exciting. It was new people were watching everywhere. So I felt like pop culture sort of lifestyle was aspirational the idea of being on the concord and partying with Donatello for Saatchi and being able to wear anything you want but because they had personality. It was more like being a fan of musician are banned or connector. You had a new audience the music videos MTV had a music driven audience that was then entertained by video, but this brought in a whole new community to start watching a music video, which was the fashion community, and I think that that absolutely opened a huge door for anybody who wanted to take advantage of having this. Adjunct audience get tacked onto what they were trying to do. The crossover, a fashion and music began to really become something that you saw played out day in day out video in video on MTV, and that's in a huge way down to George. Michael's freedom nine hundred. I mean everyone in the fashion community love the video because it was this idea of high style fashion shoot and the idea that I'll will was kind of being co opted by George Michael and the supermodels they just started to become more present in the culture they were lip synching to. A song was being sung by George. Michael, through this incredible became an incredibly kind of iconic and groundbreaking and influential music video. It was a kind of case of starting to join the dots and kind of see these women start to pop up in different aspects of the culture. You know you're like, okay. There are now in a show on a magazine cover, and now they're being photographed at a party or now you're seeing them in an ad campaign. Goals really were it. Now in the ninety s fashion has ushered in the superstar. Glamorous high. Everywhere. They were ubiquitous I mean. On the side of my boss there on the cover of every magazine inside every magazine who needs a new supermodel they were doing TV commercials for the new supermodel. Some of trying to break into movies you WANNA watch headline news. Not GonNa kill you. They were the very hottest fashion commodities. Joanie for Thaci was. A designer who was uniquely attuned to the Cultural Zeitgeist. All about folding music and rock and roll into is clothing and movie stars and artists, and he was somebody who could absolutely see the moment sees Zeitgeist and tailor it to his own aesthetic a very kind of powerful way and of course, for Saatchi had always been using these girls in his ad campaigns. But this was a total synergy that all the girls who'd been in that video came down the runway embodying Janis. Vision. Joanie was unusually media savvy because he was a perfect show man and he understood how to kind of manipulate emotions through fashion and the way he presented his collection. So when that freedom soundtrack rang out and the goals came down kind of. Long it was just so amazing first of all because they looked so. When you saw that? They could maneuver their way down and runway they could walk which wasn't necessarily a given, but it was. Electrifying. So, it was an interesting collision of all sorts of different kinds of fame. You had the fame of George, Michael you had the fame of Gianni Versace and you defame of the supermodels. All kind of coalescing into one major kind of pop cultural moment. And that was really for me. That was sort of the moment where you realized this was going to be the kind of dominating hours of these models were supermodels, and of course the. Photography's went crazy because they knew that they had photographs these girls they were going to be sure fire sellers. There wasn't a social media. The was no instagram snapchat. There was none of these things was no means to actually be a reminded of their their presence on a daily basis designers in particular became aware of the fact that these girls were personalities as well as models and that the their personality in your clothes gave. More of a message. It wasn't just. I'm going to show this to you. So you can buy it or you can not buy you can like it. You can't like it but all the sudden you had a personality that was. Delivering how you could wear these clothes and who you would be when you wore those close these girls were worth their weight because they contributed to the image. Significantly. and. That's why they were who they were. That's that's why they got that attention. They were credible. They had their own lives that revolved around fashion. They were devoted to it. They understood it they collaborated with it and they they really really important. I mean, what happened was they were also smart enough to realize that they themselves had a role and a power in shaping fashion, and they had some agency of their own in continuing to be part of the fashion landscape. The supermodels came like an industry. As. They sometimes do five shows a day they weekly salaries can quickly time to six. At that point, those four models we're doing everything. They've really helped foster an identity for fashion wasn't what it could be an shift in fashion but the supermodels they were part of that shift on this edition of House of style. We traveled to Milan Italy for the spring ninety three collections and spend the week with the only Campbell both on and off the runway as fashion became a bigger interest and became. Part of a bigger cultural narrative. Suddenly, you started to see because of the way that fashion operates and it goes in cycles and it gets sated by one thing, and then that's looking to the new thing to inject. Difference or you know some sense of unison to creative process than other narratives were starting to kind of come in. Then you person then you face that you design the you think that that is counter to the gloss in the fame and the success the question the fashion industry is asking other models of worth the money they get especially in these times of recession who does their high profile detract from the very closest I kind of feeling that the opulence to conspicuous consumption were somehow inappropriate for the moment and out of step with the vibe of the moment, and then you're saying kind of different way to approach fashion and suddenly. All that Razzmatazz and GLITZ and. Extravagance and money and he's just An oculus seemed wrong. And then you had. GRUNGE and everything changed. Invoke the nineteen nineties is presented by a winter and produced by Jasmin Galera Julia Toil, Kinsey Clark, and Talk Zan. Our executive. Producer is Alex Koppelman. Mixed by rain house monk would you cheese folks creative aditorial direct TUB and folks to`real team is led Borelli Person Ma colgate Nicole Phelps and myself. Special. Thanks to digital DIRECTA analysts. Vice President of audio Jewish Hsien and Anna wintom. Please do subscribe to the podcast. It helps Unisys find the show you can find additional information, incredible imagery and episode references in the show notes or bogue dot com slash podcast. I'm your host Hamish Bowles until next week in bio.

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History of the 90s

48:41 min | 2 weeks ago

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"Hi i'm and i'm sarah. And we are two very good friends who love gossip and celebrity scandals for also the host of a new podcast cult. The re we're going to use our as cultural journalist provide you with in-depth analysis of all the stories. You remember and somebody you don't down a for to branch selena time princess and was almost kidnapped little. And what about whitney crack as wax. They're listened to the reheat on july twenty six on the frequency podcast network or wherever you get your podcast when the lights came up on gianni versace cheese nineteen ninety-one fall fashion show in milan. There was electricity and excitement in the air. Instead of sending the usual single model the italian designer sent out models in packs. Long-legged women with bouncy hair sauntered down the runway in twos and threes while wearing for sachi's newest collection. The showstopper was the finale. When four beautiful young women linked arm-in-arm made their way down the catwalk laughing and smiling as they lip sync the words of a pop song that blasted from the speakers. It was the launch of a nineties phenomenon that is as symbolic of the decade as tabloid television and the launch of the internet but a lot more glamorous i'm catholic zora and this is history of the nineties a podcast about a decade that changed the world on this episode. We look at the reign of the supermodels. It's up for debate. But the term supermodel may have first been used by janice dickinson in the nineteen seventy s at least according to dickinson. Maybe you know her. From being the brutally honest judge on america's top model for four seasons but before that she was an incredibly successful model in the seventies and the renowned wild girl of the fashion and disco scene at club fifty four dickinson claims. Not only to be the first supermodel. But that she was also the first person to use the term in about nineteen seventy nine others have given credit for the term to clyde matthew essner the owner of a small model agency in the nineteen forties regardless of when the term was used first. By whom the concept of the supermodel as we know it today didn't really take hold until the late eighties setting the stage. For the iconic supermodel era of the ninety s when a group of beautiful young women transcended the runway and became full service celebrities before we look at the nineties and the supermodels that ruled the runways during that era. Let's go back a little further in fashion history in the nineteen thirties. Forty s and fifty s runway shows put on by designers were very exclusive and according to fashion journalist randy berkman as a result models were largely anonymous to the general public when trashing how who could tour houses were staging shows in the early days. Like in the thirties fifties the sixties even. They were really private affairs. They were just for clients and media. Not even really media like just very very very small. Obviously this is video. But otas were pretty nazi ver- comment and it was a really insular world. Of course there was the occasional model who broke through and became household names. Think twiggy in the nineteen sixties. But it really wasn't until the eighties that models began to infiltrate the mainstream in a noticeable way. And that's partly because of a major industry change. The mass marketing of fashion designer started licensing. Their names and manufacturing moderately priced lines that were affordable to more shoppers. It was no longer just the uber rich wearing the latest. Close from halston ralph lauren. Pierre cardin and calvin klein and with these new accessible lines came big marketing campaigns. Wanna know what comes between me. And my kevin's nothing. Calvin klein jeans this sexy and controversial. Nineteen eighty ad campaign for calvin klein jeans which featured fifteen-year-old brooke shields was banned by abc and cbs. For implying that the young model wasn't wearing any underwear. Calvin klein was the first high fashion designer to launch a separate affordable line called a diffusion line. His skin tight jeans featured a distinctive stitch line on the back along with calvin klein label that distinguished them as a designer status symbol not surprisingly all the controversy over the ads only brought more attention for the brand which sold over seventy million dollars worth of genes in the first year and brooke shields became a household name who pivoted her modelling career to acting. Soon after shields became more than an anonymous face hawking a product. She became a celebrity in her way came other celebrity models in the eighties. L. mcpherson iman jerry hall and christie brinkley and then in january nineteen ninety. The cover of british vogue changed everything you have on that cover stevie crawford prestige hurling team. Linda evangelists naomi campbell. Tatyana teats and you have me basically birth of the super model. That's writer rachel burchfield and she says the iconic cover is the first of three major moments in the evolution of the supermodel going to get to each of them but first let's spend some time looking back at the picture. Let's start at all. The black and white photo on the cover of the january. Nineteen ninety edition of british. Vogue was taken by legendary german photographer. Peter lindbergh lindberg who died in two thousand nineteen at the age of seventy four was known for untouched down images of glamorous leicester's you might be surprised to learn that before making history with that vote cover. Lindbergh captured a similar image for american vogue. That didn't have the same impact in one thousand nine hundred seven. Lindberg received a call from alexander lieberman the creative director of conde nast vogues parent company. He was curious why the photographer never wanted to work for the us version of the magazine. Lindbergh honestly explained that he simply couldn't relate to the images of the over styled women they featured in his words he preferred photos that depicted outspoken adventurous women in control of their own lives. Who weren't concerned about things like social status so lieberman ass lindbergh to show him what he meant in response. Lindbergh went to the beach in santa monica with a group of barely known models. Dressed simply in over-sized white button up shirts. Linda evangelista karen alexander christy. Chillington esta lefebre tatiana. Petites and rachel williams were captured by lindbergh laughing implying around on the beach. The simple images were the antithesis of the formal composition of fashion photography at the time. Those were mainly headshots of heavily made up models when the proofs of the beach shoot arrived at vogue new york office the magazine's editor grace mirabella refused to print the images. She put them in a drawer where they stayed until mirabella was replaced. Six months later by legendary vogue editor anna winter winter. Not only love the pictures. She commissioned lindbergh to shoot the cover for her debut issue with vogue and november nineteen eighty eight it featured israeli model michaela burke q. and a. cropped be jewel jumper in stone wash jeans smiling with her eyes half closed head turning away from the camera at the time it was considered a revelation signaling a move towards an uninhibited bureau listrik representation of beauty as the nineteen eighties. Were drawing to a close british vogue editor. Liz tilberis asked lindbergh to photograph the new woman of the nineties. For the first edition of the decade. Lindbergh's were apply was that he couldn't do it with just one woman. he felt the idea of beauty. Had broadened and it could no longer be summed up with either a blonde blue eyed girl or a sexy brunette so instead he gathered five models in manhattan for what would become an iconic photo. Shoot cindy crawford told vogue in thousand sixteen. They weren't photographed with a ton of hair and makeup. In her words. They were quite undone and she said coming out of the eighties which was all about big hair and boobs pushed up. It felt refreshing and new dressed in simple bodysuits and levi jeans. The girl set the tone of the new decade in two thousand. Sixteen lindbergh told the guardian. He has no idea they were making history with the photo he said because it came together very naturally and effortlessly he never felt they were changing the world. It was just all intuition. There was one other image that captured the new generation of supermodels. I should mention. It's the famous nude photograph taken by her brits. For rolling stone magazine it showed yet another iteration of the supermodel. Naomi cindy christy tatiana. And this time stephanie. Seymour was included instead of linda evangelista. The high contrast black and white image of the five models intertwined arms and legs wrapped around each other was actually taken in nineteen eighty nine and didn't get much attention at the time. It didn't become conic and tell lindbergh's nineteen ninety. British vogue cover introduced the masses to the new supermodel. The next major moment happened. Thanks to singer george michael. He was at a turning point in his career and when he released his nineteen ninety album. Listen without prejudice volume one. The twenty seven year old singer was trying to be considered a serious artist after years as a successful pop star. Michael refused to use his image to promote the album and only did a limited number of interviews. He also chose not to go on the road. Right away saying long tours had a dehumanizing effect that works against both the creative process and a healthy personal life and most importantly to this story the singer told the record label he would not appear in any music videos. Michael argued that videos destroyed the artistic integrity of a song by encouraging listeners. To accept a single interpretation of it as you can imagine. The label was not pleased. They still want something to air on. Mtv which the time could make or break. The success of new release. Michael solution would change the course of history after seeing the british vogue. Cover featuring peter lindbergh's black and white supermodel photo george. Michael decided naomi christy. Linda cindy and tatiana should replace him in the video for the song. Freedom ninety freedom ninety addressed michael struggles with identity. Artistic growth and stardom with poignant lyrics like. I just hope you understand. Sometimes the clothes do not make the man and music that producer mark ronson has described as a funk groove masterpiece it's become a classic it definitely could stand on its own merits but the video of five supermodels lip synching the lyrics. Turn it into an iconic pop culture moment. The video was directed by david fincher. Who was at the start of his career and we'll go on to make classic nineties films like seven and fight club. It was shot over several days at merton park studio in london and like the british vogue cover featured naomi campbell christy. Turlington linda evangelista. Cindy crawford and tatiana petites. The result was a six and a half minute. Moody romantic video filmed in neo noir tones. That's been watched over a hundred million times on youtube. It was revolutionary for many reasons including the fact that the models were the focus of the video. In fact they were the stars throughout the eighties models had appeared in lots of music videos but only as the sexy girlfriend to the lead singer. Think tony catan and david coverdale in the nineteen eighty-seven whitesnake video for here. I go again the first face we see in the george. Michael video is linda evangelista. The canadian model who is considered by many to be the catalyst of the supermodel group. Her short hair is platinum blonde which she died the night before in a spur of the moment decision. Surprising everyone on set of the music video. P- next we see naomi campbell dancing as she listens to freedom. Ninety unhedged phones. She's wearing a big pair of boots. That belonged to the boyfriend of the stylist in charge of the ships. Camilla nickerson told vogue magazine in two thousand sixteen. That director david fincher was incredibly specific. About how we wanted christy turlington to walk in with a long white sheet. That was light enough for the light to shine through and to get that effect. They used expensive irish linen. And that used up nickerson's entire budget so everyone else's clothes came from nickerson's wardrobe or in the case of naomi's boots nickerson's boyfriends wardrope not included the big sweater that linda evangelista famously pulls up over her head. That scene by the way wasn't planned just something. That evangelist improvised and after seeing move venture responded by putting a camera and a light inside her sweater and filming it. When the video was released it introduced the new ninety supermodel to the entire. Mtv generation and caught the eye of a famous designer would create the third and possibly the ultimate supermodel moments in march nineteen ninety-one legendary fashion designer gianni for saatchi closed his couture show in milan with linda. Christie naomi and cindy marching down the runway in black orange yellow mini dresses lip synching. George michael's freedom reminiscent of the songs music video. Michael was in the front row watching as the girls. Straight down the runway with his video projected behind them here again is writer. Rachel burchfield johnny researchy as a designer was iconic in brilliant. But he also who's very tapped into music. He was very tapped into the culture and it was kind of a full circle moment where music and fashion and the met. And there's this shot of the four of them walking arm-in-arm on the catwalk lip synching freedom. Ninety in the sake show. It became a hugely defining moment in fashion and was a point where these women as supermodels prior to supermodels runway models and photo models didn't usually overlap. A model was either one or the other. The new nineties model did both and a whole lot more as we would soon find out. So who are these five or six women who infiltrated every aspect of pop culture in the nineties and what made them so popular. Let's start with linda evangelista. As i mentioned earlier evangelista is considered by many to be the catalyst. She's from saint catharines ontario. The daughter of a general motors worker at age sixteen evangelista was discovered by a scout from elite model agency while competing in a t niagara contest. As soon as she finished high school she started working. Full time in the fashion industry relocating to paris in nineteen eighty-four that's when she met fifteen year old christy turlington. Who'd been invited to the city of lights by the ford modeling agency. Kristie grew up in northern california and was more concerned with horses than modeling but when a photographer took her picture and sent them to. I lean forward. The grand dame of the modeling industry spotted something special in the young team in the summer of nineteen eighty five on a job in london christie. Naomi campbell who was a year younger campbell the uk born daughter of jamaican immigrants was discovered by an elite modeling scout at age. Fifteen while studying ballet at the italia conti performing arts school in london. Linda chuck both of the younger girls under her wing. And by nineteen eighty-nine christie was staying in linda's new york apartment. The same building where naomi also lived. That's when the original supermodel trio was born a tight click. They moved together out together and even began to be booked together and for a time. They were all with leap paris. Which was run by gerald marie. Linda's husband at the time fashion insiders began calling them the trinity a term. They hate but couldn't escape as they became a bigger sensation on the runways in the pages of magazines and on the dance. Floors of new york nightclubs. For example by nineteen ninety linda. Evangelista had been on sixty magazine covers and was under contract to revlon as the charlie perfume. Girl evangelista also made history with a quote that has haunted her ever since in fact evangelist does name is barely ever mentioned without referring to it in october. Nineteen ninety she told a reporter we have the saying christie and i. We don't wake up for less than ten thousand dollars a day through the years. The quote has morphed a bit most commonly remembered as i don't get out of bed for less than ten thousand dollars a day. The statement echoed around the fashion world. And there was definitely some backlash but rachel burchfield looks at it a bit differently swagger confidence that we so often see with name and now here comes linda. Evangelista saying that in. It's a whole new era nauseous for modeling but for women. And it's an it's. It's all at once empowering and also kind of off putting mike diva i choose to look at it as okay. Linda hacked. If i could make ten thousand dollars a day. If that were a possibility for me. I don't think i'd wake up for less than that either. And it's just like she knew her power and she harnessed it. And i love that. Despite the controversial comment evangelista remained a highly in demand. Supermodel some say. The models career took off because of her marriage to drawled murray. Who was the head of elites paris office evangelista was just eighteen which tied the knot with thirty seven year old marie in one thousand nine hundred seven the marriage lasted six years and recently about a dozen women have come forward to say that during that time. They were sexually assaulted by marie. Something that evangelista says she knew. Nothing about but believes probably happened. Other say that evangelist. His career took off because of the alliance. She forged with celebrated fashion photographer. Steven meisel. evangelista was a longtime use of mysel- and once told the new york times that she feels like stevens barbie doll still others say it all happened because of the chances she took with her hair in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight evangelista cut her hair extremely short going against the standard long hair look of most models at that time photographer. Peter lindbergh had convinced her to cut off her hair and initially. She lost several runway jobs because of it but within a couple of months she had appeared on every vogue cover. Evangelista was also constantly dying her hair changing the color seventeen times over five years quick succession. She went from brunette to platinum blonde to a flaming redhead becoming the talk of the industry. Either way she reigned as one of the top supermodels if not the top supermodel for about six or seven years which is an eternity in the fashion world by her side. Where christie naomi. the remaining two thirds of the trinity christie charleston's rise to fame began in nineteen eighty six when she appeared in durant iran's video for notorious the next year. She landed the cover of german vogue and at the age of twenty. She signed a record setting contract. As the new face of calvin klein helping launch the designers new fragrance. Eternity turlington 's name eventually became synonymous with calvin klein particularly after she worked alongside dutch model. Mark vanderloop for the one thousand nine hundred ninety five eternity campaign in the iconic black-and-white odd turlington and vanderloop cozy up on a beach hair slicked. Back they look like they just came in from the ocean. Turlington was also the face of maybelline signing a famous contract with the cosmetics company that paid her eight hundred thousand dollars for just twelve days of work. And in nineteen ninety-three the metropolitan museum of art declared was the face of the twentieth century after famed fashion. Designer ralph pucci created one hundred twenty mannequins modeled after her exclusively for the mets costume. Institutes the final element of the supermodel trinity. Was naomi campbell. She to appeared in music videos in her early days of modeling in fact at age seven. She played a small role in the bob. Marley video for the song. Is this love. Legendary reggae singer is pictured putting a blanket over the sleeping pint-sized future. Supermodel campbell is of chinese jamaican heritage and was raised by her grandmother and aunts in south london while her mother toured europe as a professional dancer at the age of sixteen a year after being discovered naomi landed her first cover on elle magazine and then in nineteen eighty eight at the age of eighteen. She became the first black woman to appear on the cover of french vogue breaking down barriers for other models of color like tyra banks over the years. Naomi became known as the queen of the runway. Here's randi berkman. Like her walk was just so other worldly like the way that she moves down a runway is just like the confidence of the just movements are so natural and so beautiful and so sexy and i think her persona was also larger than life. Like all of them were up. I purrs especially as carried through with pretty timeless at this point but despite her obvious. Talent and stunning looks naomi. Campbell had to fight against being racially sidelined through her career. Campbell has said that she felt she needed to be twice as good as a white model to be considered. Campbell has also revealed that one of the reasons she kept booking shows despite industry. Racism is that fellow members of the supermodel trinity linda. Evangelista and christy turlington refused to walk in shows without her at the beginning of the nineties. The three women known as the trinity seemed to be everywhere becoming as big or bigger than movie stars. not only were they modeling. They were also in music videos on talk shows and seen hanging around together in the pages of celebrity magazines. Eventually the trinity was expanded to the big five bringing tatiana. Petites and cindy crawford. Into the supermodel folds tatiana petites was born in hamburg germany and was first discovered by photographer. Peter lindbergh at the age of seventeen and then moved to california to pursue modeling. She's been called the most mysterious of the supermodels partly because of the five. She is the only one who didn't really become a household name. She was eventually replaced in the big five by german model. Claudia schiffer but tatiana west certainly. No less beautiful than the others with her cat like is in her perfect bom structure and like the other super supers. She was the face of numerous coveted campaigns including chanel calvin klein and for saatchi the fifth member of the big five on the other hand maybe the most well known. Here's rachel burchfield. I remember the most is cindy crawford because she was midwestern girl like me. She's from illinois. i'm from kansas. She was brennan butter. America's sweetheart. I remember watching her on. Mtv's house of style Which was a whole other. That was very different too because you did not see supermodels or models hosting tv programs and so then you've got cindy crawford for six years from nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety-five on house of style. Nineteen ninety two iconic pepsi commercial that she was in the super bowl. I can still see that in my mind right now on route. I would have to say cindy crawford to me is just like the ultimate supermodel cindy. Crawford's rise to fame began in one thousand nine hundred eighty two when won the look of the year contest held by the elite modeling agency. And although she was considered an all american girl she was not the typical blonde that had dominated modeling for the past. Thirty years. crawford had brown hair brown eyes in an olive complexion. Plus she had more curvy affleck build and of course that famous beauty mark near her mouth early on some potential clients wanted her to remove the mole but she always said no way. Make no mistake. Though crawford wasn't just a pretty face. She studied chemical engineering at northwestern. University before dropping out to pursue a career in modeling crawford was also a shrewd businesswoman when she didn't jive with sports illustrated producers crawford shot her own swimsuit calendar in nineteen ninety-two and gave a portion of the proceeds to charity. An exercise video called shape. Your body followed later that year. Which was mainly cindy on a beach in a bathing suit with her perfect hair and body lifting little hand weights. Five crawford was also one of the first models to sign a big endorsement deal that went beyond the fashion or cosmetics world the nineteen ninety-two pepsi commercial. That rachel mentioned show cindy in cut off jeans and a tank top getting out of a bright red lamborghini and walking over to pepsi vending machine. Two young boys watching all she chugs back. A cold can of pepsi. Great new pepsi can introducing a whole new way to look at pepsi. Imc it's beautiful. The ad one procedures cleo award in the soft drink category for the bbdo ad agency which stated they picked crawford for the ad promoting pepsi's new look because of her all looks and her personality and bbdo executive said they tried lesser known models. But the magic just wasn't there wasn't alone more and more companies. We're going with one of the five supermodels for high profile campaigns. The new york times reported in nineteen ninety-two that recession. weary marketers. trying to save money by cutting back on the number of ads they run. Were hiring more expensive models. That would definitely get noticed. They wanted more bang for their buck. And supermodels cindy crawford. Were a guaranteed no-brainer. The result consumers were seeing the same faces over and over promoting everything from perfume too purses. In addition to pepsi cindy crawford appeared in ads for revlon and compete bags and rachel mentioned. She hosted the hugely popular. Mtv show house of style. Hi i'm cindy crawford. Welcome to house houses style coming to you. This time from paris this city is always buzzing with style and glamour but even more so right now as press impassioned buyers from crawford seem to be everywhere appearing not only in fashion magazines but also in playboy and sports illustrated prince even wrote a song about her called cindy and if that wasn't enough at the height of her fame. Cindy crawford married high profile. Hollywood actor richard gere who has starred in a long list of blockbuster movies including pretty woman. The couple i met at a star-studded barbecue hosted at the home of photographer herbert's around nineteen eighty-eight gear was thirty nine and crawford twenty two. Despite the seventeen year age difference they married in december. Nineteen ninety-one at a spontaneous las vegas wedding exchanging homemade tin foil rings at the altar back in the day gear and crawford were a legit power couple on par with jay z. Ambience say okay. Maybe more like john legend and chrissy teigen before she was cancelled. They were both at the height of their careers and when they got together people can stop talking about them take. For example their arrival at the nineteen ninety-one academy awards crawford's plunging read vir- sachi gown inspired countless lookalike dresses and became so influential. That it even has its own wikipedia page but like a lot of hollywood marriages. This one did not last the couple split up in one thousand nine hundred ninety five. After four years together during the marriage the couple was constantly the target of gossip and rumors tabloid papers were relentless with the accusations. That gearan crawford got married as a publicity stunt because they were both hiding the fact they are gay. The rumors got worse. When cindy appeared on a provocative cover vanity fair magazine in nineteen ninety-three with openly. Gay musician katie lang. The next year in nineteen ninety-four gear and crawford paid for a full page ad in the london times proclaiming among other things that they are heterosexual monogamous and reports of a divorce are totally false years later. Crawford said the real reason for their split was partly the seventeen year age gap and partly their busy schedules. The movie star and supermodel. We're constantly working in different parts of the world and apparently they had to check in with secretaries to find out what was going on in each other's lives by the time they put their beller mansion on the market they have reportedly never spent a single night together in the house. Cindy looks back on the supermodel era with fondness and she told british vogue in two thousand nineteen that being part of that group of models was almost like being in a boy band. They were all different but looked good together. Randy bergman agrees. I mean they all kind of had different looks and that was so cool about them. I think they were almost like the original spice girls that way. I think that's also why people love. I think people love like pick your fighter kind of thing you know like people love like things that are different. I mean i know. I love bad so i think they were all supermodels. We were all united in the fact that they were all super super glamorous and their personalities were over the top and in a really glamorously gorgeous play but individually they all had their own persona which were so specific. It was like you know. Linda was the chameleon naomi was the to. Cindy crawford was like the all american sort of most mainstream one like they all. They all had their own their own versions of themselves. Their looks and personalities may have all been different but the supermodels all represented glamour that was unattainable for most people but fun to look at and dream about author. Michael grow says the original ninety supermodels weren't just another way to sell clothes they were the visual projection of the dreams of millions. Of course there were other models working during this time. Who weren't part of the original big five but we're very successful models even supermodels in their own right. Tyra banks helena christianson harlem rooney stephanie seymour. Veronica webb and a young waif-like model by the name of kate. Moss british-born kate. Moss was discovered at age fourteen at jfk airport in new york and helped spark the heroin chic trend as she rose to fame in the early nineties. The look was characterized by a skinny body an angular bone structure pale skin and sometimes even dark circles under the eyes. the look was also a bit androgynous. Which was the direct opposite of the healthy curvy. bodies of the current crop of supermodels. Like cindy crawford and claudia schiffer maas was just five seven and weighed barely a hundred pounds. When moss was seventeen she was selected to be in an ad campaign launching. Calvin clients new oriented lines along with mark wahlberg who is still going by his rap name marky mark the controversial nineteen ninety two campaign featured a topless moss and a buff. Marky mark also shirtless talking about his snug underwear. These these are the nineties man. They just good and hold. Hold me snow from to go get some skins. I'm not gonna put on like no silk underwear. The ad spark negative reaction from some supermodels including claudia schiffer. Who didn't like what she called unnecessary. Nudity a feisty. Young moss responded by saying that's how she made her fortune. She sold her body. Like i sold mine more recently. Though moss has described her time on sat at the calvin klein photo shoot with mark. Wahlberg as extremely uncomfortable remember. She was only seventeen at the time. Ma says she had a nervous breakdown crying in the bathroom and for two weeks after couldn't get out of bed. The calvin klein campaign officially launched kate moss and the look that would soon be called heroin chic by some an elegantly wasted by others by the fall of nineteen ninety-two. Moss had taken over the runway appearing in the famous. Marc jacobs grunge show in her weight. Came a wave of other waiflike models including amber valetta and shalom harlow. But the look didn't last long according to author michael gross. The waif-like was uncommercial and controversy alter survive longer than a normal fashion trend in his book. Model the ugly business. Beautiful women gross writes that masa scrawny look inspired protests. The words feed me were scrawled across posters and billboards and june nineteen ninety-three. The new york daily news described moss as a skin and bones model. Who looks like she should be tied down and intravenously fed magazines even received angry letters from upset readers and by nineteen ninety four. The trend was essentially dead but kate. Moss survived in fact she thrived. She started hanging out with christy turlington. Naomi campbell began dating. Hollywood actor johnny depp. And soon the supermodel group went from the big five to the big six moss and depth. Were another couple in the ninety s. They were often photographed either partying or arguing or sometimes both. They were both accused of trashing hotel rooms and one report suggested. They ordered a champagne filled bathtub at a west london. Hotel in one thousand nine eight in case you're wondering it take spoke thirty six bottles of champagne to fill up a bathtub. Moss developed a notorious reputation for partying hard during the nineties which continued into the two thousands and would eventually cost her several contracts when photos of her doing drugs with boyfriend pete doherty were sold to the tabloids. A book published in two thousand fourteen called champagne supernova claimed the tiny model had earned the nickname the tank because she could snort three grams of cocaine and drink a bottle of vodka in one sitting another supermodel with a super bad reputation was of course naomi campbell through the nineties campbell was linked romantically with many high profile men. Everyone from mike tyson robert deniro to sylvester stallone and eric clapton. She was also engaged at one time to youtube. Bassist adam clayton through the nineties. There were frequent media reports about campbell's diva like behavior. Enter angry outbursts directed at hotel employees airport staff and assistance in nineteen ninety-three campbell was fired by elite modelling in a very public way agency. Founder john casablancas faxed a letter around the world to all of the company's clients stating to whom it may concern. Please be informed that. Do not wish to represent naomi campbell any longer no amount of money or prestige could further justify the abuse that has been imposed on our staff and clients. All who have experienced. This will understand looking back now. It's ironic that casablancas would call out naomi's behavior when he himself was engaged in some pretty disturbing activity according to the guardian casablancas. Who moved in social circles with jeffrey epstein. Donald trump was notorious for sleeping with his teenage models for example in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. He had a public relationship with model. Stephanie seymour casablanca's was forty. One seymour just fifteen. But getting back to naomi campbell. In recent years she's become an activist and philanthropist but is still often saddled with her diva identity. It's hard not to consider whether that identity was partly shaped by media and public. That played into the angry black woman. Trope sure campbell misbehaved in the nineties. But so did the likes of mark wahlberg and hugh grant but they have long since been forgiven campbell. Herself told harpers bizarre in twenty twenty that the angry black woman label has been used against her many times. She says in an effort to silence her her response. Well here i am. The ninety supermodel moment really began to wind down around nineteen ninety-five most of the spurs had grown too big for the fashion world and were mostly absent from runways. They were too busy filming movies hosting tv shows and recording pop records naomi campbell singing baby woman on her nineteen ninety-four album by the same name that was widely panned by critics and the public. Some of the supers even got into the restaurant business in nineteen nine five claudia schiffer elle macphearson and naomi campbell opened the first fashion cafe at. New york's rockefeller center with entrepreneur. Brothers tomasso and francesco beauty. The fashion cafe was kitschy tourist spot all like the hard rock cafe with lots of fashion memorabilia and very little emphasis on food the grand opening of new york location attracted fashion and hollywood elite like gianni and donatella for saatchi tyra banks and eileen ford as well as stephen baldwin. David copperfield the way in brothers and john stewart at the opening schiffer told reporters. It's our baby. We make all the decisions the difference between the girls today and models of the past. We're not only interested in fashion. We're going in so many different directions at once. We work harder at night and on the weekends. Three months later things were going so well. That christy turlington decided to come on board and soon seven. More locations were added in places like london jakarta and new orleans but as author matt haig pointed out in his book brand failures. The connection between models and food was not an obvious. One and fashion was not a theme that made people hungary plus the beauty brothers were mismanaging things behind the scenes eventually leading toward litany federal charges and lawsuits as a result. All of the fashion. Cafes closed down in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight as supermodels continued spending more and more time away from the runways. Some designers and fashion editors were becoming less enamored with them for other reasons. Tired of bad attitudes high prices. Some designers and fashion editors started looking beyond the handful of women who had been ruling. The runways for the past decade. Plus randy bergman says because of the normal ebbs and flows of the fashion industry. It was time for a change. It wasn't like the supermodel went away. It was different supermodel. It was like the giselle 's tires of the role the heidi coons was. Victoria's secret like that. Brazil thing like that was sort of just took over in the late nineties to the early two thousand. There was also a big shift happening in hollywood in previous generations. Movie star shied away from endorsing products or dressing up and designer clothes but a new generation of actors had no problem with it soon. Revlon signed halle berry. Salma hayek and curiouser was featured in ads for saks fifth avenue. The final blow came in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight when the all important. September issue of vogue magazine featured actor renee zellweger on its cover. She was the first non model to appear on the front of the magazine and for many. It signaled the end of the supermodel era. here's writer. rachel. Burchfield tiny goodman of vogue. Said why why not put these movie stars on the cover because then you get people that were going to read about fashioned anyway right in the end these models might be on the inside of the magazine. But now you've also hooked people that are interested in this celebrity. Like shearson dunster. Julia roberts sir stanford bullock or meg ryan or someone like that in so you know. Ask started to become more than norm on magazine covers by the end of the nineties. Most of the original supermodels had already moved on. Linda had retired. Christie went to college and cindy retreated to malibu with her second husband randy gerber claudia traded in the high profile american magician. David copperfield for the low key. English film director. Matthew vaughn whom she married in two thousand two and they all became mothers in the twenty years since then. Many new models have come and gone following in the path laid out by the women of the nineties. They pave the way for the multi-purpose model. Who doesn't just walk in fashion shows but until recently few have become household names. Now with kendall jenner the hadeed sisters and even kaya gerber cindy crawford's daughter. It feels like a slight return to the era of the supermodel. Just slightly though. That's because none of today's models have managed to capture the public imagination. Like the ninety s. supermodel writer. Rachel burchfield lames it on social media. She says models today are just too accessible to have the same impact. I mean especially kendall jenner. My gosh i feel like i know everything about her life since she was ten years old because of keeping up with the kardashians There's there's a point where there is that air of mystery that is so compelling and that is why we were so compelled by these women's that we don't have anymore we know all about. Gd bella and kendall even kaya and that's fine but it they'll there will never be another ninety supermodel that is not as a class zone. The jenner's and the hades of today may not have the same impact for name recognition as the supermodels of the nineties. But today's runway queens have something else to hang their hat on big big salaries according to forbes. Kendall jenner was the top earning model in two thousand eighteen. Earning twenty two and a half million dollars in twelve months. Linda evangelisches comment that. She doesn't get out of bed for less than ten thousand dollars. Seems almost quaint. Doesn't it as for the nineties. They walked the runway together again in two thousand eighteen in a bold trivia to gianni versace on the twentieth anniversary of his death for the finale of the runway show his sister donatella gathered. The original super is once again. For that show. Cindy was flanked by naomi campbell. Elena christianson carla bruni and claudia schiffer as they closed the show marching down the catwalk in milan to the tune of george michael's freedom ninety just like they did almost thirty years earlier missing that night but not forgotten. Where linda evangelista tatiana petites and christy turlington. The other three fifths of michael's original supermodel filled music video. Thanks for listening to this. Look back at nineties supermodels. It's great to be back after a summer break and we have lots of great shows planned for you this fall so please make sure to subscribe to history of the nineties so you never miss an episode thanks to my to special guests rachel burchfield and brandy bergman in addition to writing about fashion rachel also hosts a cool podcast about the british royal family called podcast royal an randy also has a great podcast and website called capsule ninety eight. If you haven't already make sure you check it out. I'll put links to both podcast in the show notes. If you've got an idea for an episode please let me know. You can reach me through twitter and facebook at nineteen ninety history and on instagram at that ninety s podcast. You can also email me anytime at nineties at curious cast dot ca. That's nine zero s at curious. Cast dot ca. This episode was written and hosted by me. Kathy zora our producer is deal of alaska's and sound design and final production is by rob. Johnston see you next time for more history of the ninety s.

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The September Issue with Anna Wintour and Tonne Goodman

Vogue Podcast

23:51 min | 5 years ago

The September Issue with Anna Wintour and Tonne Goodman

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The most important issue of the year, perhaps well all of us at vogue have been watching Kendall's career over the past few years with a lot of interest. And I think everybody was maybe a little bit skeptical when she started fast parents that I noticed I was one of the Jacob shows that we thought she might come and go that she might not have the work ethic that you need to be a great model, and we were all completely wrong. I mean think that she has worked so hard has learnt so much and unlike some of the other girls who use the runway as a jumping off point to you know, other careers for television or. Acting or whatever it may be. She says an piece that she really loves being a model that this is what she wants to be in. And also speaks very honestly about how the fact that her name actually was not helpful that, you know, because of her name she had to work to prove a lot hotter than some of the other goals, and in a way chameleon like abilities reminds me of the great Linda Evangelista in. She can take on all these different characters. And that's really what Tony Goodman. So successfully achieved in the shoot with Marcus in September is that she becomes all these different characters. Whether it's you know, the Valentino girl, the extraordinary Gucci girl on the cover all the McQueen girl or the who'd by go. She is changing on every page, which is the look that Tony was trying to go for the pullout poster. Where's the pullout poster? Yeah. Is this say that she is Alexander Wang? And then she is in. Ooh. Oh, no good up ten up time up time. She's amazing. Do you think that her career will sustain itself over the long period of time mcclendon, eventually still I do I think if you know, she remains true to everything that she says in the piece, and that she wants to be a model that is her career choice and with everything else she does to supplement that but really being focused on her career and working with the great, photographers and the great designers. I can see, you know, having real long jetty. And I think we need that. I think in in an era where everything comes and goes, so far I think particularly for all of us at vogue to have models. That are are girls that are part of our cost to characters and we grow with them over the different seasons in the different years. The way we did in the, you know, the the years of you as you. Well, remember, a Claudia and a narrow Mia lender and Christie, and when you grew with as goals, you saw Cindy's amazing marriage to Richard Gere celebrated. In the pages of the magazine, and they are all ambbassador. So I I hope so much that both she and choosey have long long. Careers is a great great cover Kay. Well, one of my favorite subjects. It's aberdeen. The democratic strategists, of course, and very expectancy that in September issue. You know, she's very private. She's very intensively private. So why did you decide to profile her in September Incheon? Well, obviously all of us have oh guy huge fans, and we've celebrated in the pages of oh view times in the past. Maybe when she was married in that wonderful Oscar de LA Renta dress that you'll remember when Hillary was campaigning for Senate, and she has been working for Hillary Clinton. The only job that has ever relied which is in itself quite remarkable. And I think that she is discreet, she's loyal. She's incredibly hard working, she's professional, and I think maybe we were very conscious at vogue that the I think unfair attention put on Emma through the documentary recently came out about husband felt like ask the right opportunity to celebrate. This extraordinary woman. Who I think is such a role model to goals and women all over the world. I think she said someone that she and secretary of state Hillary Clinton they have worn together. They've lived together they've celebrated together. So she's had a very beautiful one for life with her boss. I think it's a question of loyalty and friendship ESPN professionalism single say what she seen. I mean, she's had a front row seat on the window of global politics for twenty years. What a fascinating life, and certainly one that deserves to be celebrated in the pages of September vogue. Yes. No Christopher Bailey. I know how much admire him. I think he's one of the hardest worker designers in the business and he's come through an incredible range of collections. He's become what the CEO he wasn't he'll of Burberry. And it's just amazing that he's profiled in the issue. Well, what's extraordinary about Christopher is that he's he's fearless? And he believes in taking risks and he's not frightened of failure. If something doesn't work. You know, he tries something else. And I think that. What we wanted to do with this a profile and look at the full collection was explained to readers that fashion is changing is a very disruptive time in in the world of fashion, and Christopher was really one of the first to recognize that. And from my understanding is that right after that show, the entire collection is going to be available immediately to his customers, in fact that I think the might even be the possibility to shop the minute the show is finished. I mean, Christopher will be given ipads them. We'll be able to click and buy right then and there, but Christopher never stands still not only is a great designer. He's very much in touch with the world of technology, and ideas and forward thinking, so again, this seemed like a great opportunity for us to look at fashion in a different way into explain to our readers that it is a time of change. So what do you think of see now by now, what do you think of it? I think it's totally inevitable. Andre I think that we live in a in a world. Where nobody wants to wait six months for anything. I mean, if you see something that you that you love why wouldn't you want to buy it, right then? And where the next day. I mean, this idea that it becomes more desirable. You've you have to to wait for it seems to me rather old fashioned in its thinking and Christopher and others have seen this. And it's going to be a period of transition, obviously. But focused to help lead the charge. Do you think a lot of Americans will be into the sea nut by now concept for the future? I do I think you'll be surprised to see who is moving in that direction. It's totally inevitable. So that you'll have the ipad and you can click and they can buy and it'll come out the next day or maybe the same day, just like, Amazon and WalMart. Now, I read drones going close Lashley dress. Without Bevery transplants. And I also think just to continue on that discussion. I think this idea of seasons has completely changed the idea that you want a winter collection or a spring collection or some collection. That's completely out the window. It's much more month by month. I mean, I had a young woman come in to see me this morning. Tomorrow Mellon who had tried to launch a by now collection earlier a couple of years ago, and she was very honest and straightforward about how it hadn't worked because she said she had old fashioned distribution channels, and that we have to think about how fashioned reaches his customer and a completely different way. And she is totally reorganized business. She's going to only have her own online business, and she will be delivering only shoes to her customers every month. And I think that's that is is the way I see fashion going incredible. Speaking of another woman, Victoria Beckham is profiles. She's a great mother design. Celebrity wife and a former pop star the culture continues beak those on and she's not launching make up with Estee Lauder. She has she has all Victoria can do anything as far as I'm concerned. And I think that she had in a similar to kennel. She had a rough time when she started because everyone slightly laughed at her because of her past and a husband, and you know, she really going to take this seriously. And I have never seen a more hardworking design a Andre. I mean, she is dedicated she is loyal. She's thoughtful. She has her own point of view. She's not trying to be someone that she's not. And it's amazing to see in such a relatively short time. And how smart was she to get out of London. And actually where she's so famous and show in New York, which she made her own her own town, and it's wonderful to see her having such excess in how she juggles all there's hundreds of bills that she has in her fantastic husband and everything else is incredible. And we both a gentleman Jim now from the former Soviet Republic of Georgia tweeted, director of Valencia Olga is a new influence in the fashion world with his collections at Balenciaga excreted artistic director and his online Weltman. I mean, I it's interesting to see what the good. She group has been doing in the past year. I mean, not only did they take a huge, but highly successful risk with appointing lasagna Maekelae to Gucci cover closed for September in taking someone that was relatively was really unknown and completely Tynan Gucci on its heels and moving it away from that rather. Provincial bourgeoisie, look, the the previous designer had embraced into something that was far more romantic and decorated and colorful and joyous. I thought that that was an extremely brave and courageous and highly successful change, but also with the house of Balenciaga. Well, I'm very impressed by not only how he approaches his fashion. But how he approaches his? Costing I read that he often finds his models through Instagram that everybody does a very diverse sense of his costing that it isn't just the beautiful supermodels on the runway. It's people that he's seen in the street or his friends some artists, summa ACTA, some dances. So I think he's reflecting what we see happening in fashion, which is a move towards a fantasy and sincerity and in a way as I think some people call it people like me. So it's it's it's very reflective society as a whole not just what's perfect with people. Like, you have you ordered any that overlooks yoga. I certainly have. It hasn't arrived yet. Maybe when now hasn't reached them yet. But I'm looking forward to receiving it. Is it a coat entree come possibly tell? It's colorful. Okay. The extraordinarily grace Coddington who's been invoked and just your colleague trend for nearly thirty years has a new book Gracie. American vogue is how do you feel see this extraordinary portfolio with the lady that you work so closely with for three decades, well crisis, nobody like crazy. And I was so honored and touched to notice that she had dedicated her book to me. And in fact, think I'm the one that owes so much to her because Grace's always pushed me to look at things very differently. The to take risks to look for new designers to look for new Tigers. There's a sense of romance and joy and poetry to the photographs that race works on and looking through the book, you can really see that point of view comes through again. And again, and again, and you realize even when she's working with photographer that one thing solve is being quite tough and a little bit perverted like a Steven Klein, she brings her sense of. Romance and love of fashion to every single picture. So to me, a great silence can influence a picture portfolio fashion as a whole just as much as a great model if not and if not more than a great photographer body of work is so impressive you ever favorite photograph of grace. It you love. Well, she certainly seems to have a huge. I was reminded look through the book over the weekend is what a great affinity. She's always had for the great model Natalia. And if you look through the book, and you look at some of her great photographs so many of them with Natalia, and it seems to me that the two of them had such a special relationship. But there also might listeners relationship with Yeltsin it a point to. Yes. Yes. I mean, a lot of a lot of a lot of red heads a lot of red heads. We will be but it's impossible to choose choose one. Because so many of them are so extraordinary, but I think that she can tell a story and have photographs. I mean, a lot of additives can give you a great fashioned picture, but beyond that Grace's oil. Always looking for a narrative story, there's a wonderful pizza limburg's one with Natalia. And I think it's you immigration that I've always adored when she has the little twins. And she goes off and has an affair with somebody else in you and his left in the kitchen weeping or the great Allison wonderland portfolio. This year without any illiberal vich. Switch is one of the great photography portfolios of all time. But there are hidden treasures within the book that I was so glad to look again. Once again, you know, the masterpiece blockbuster you're sorta issue thanks for chatting about it today. You. Thank you so much. Tonic Goodman today springs, which is a area of Long Island near east Hampton. Vacation. Yes. Tony. I'm so glad congratulations. Yet. Again. A wonderful amazing cover story on KENDALL Jenner the cage and the ration- the girl who wants to build on your legs. You know, marvelous romantic Gucci jacket and Lami trousers. Yeah. Yeah. The haircut. Most importantly, tell me about that haircuts. Well, the haircut happened completely spontaneously she sat down, and she was just having a chat with all of us. And she said, you know, I would love to change something. I'd love to cut my hair. And of course, we had the master of all hairdressers and haircutters with us Garin and Garin said do you wanna do it right now? She said, yes, absolutely. Let's do it right now. And I actually have a picture that I took up the haircut or that the haircut that I'm gonna put on my Instagram. So, you know, standby watch for that. And it is just a big hunk of hair like six inches of it coming right off with one clip of the city. One wack. Yeah. And she was thrilled by it. She really was if it it. You know, a haircut does give you a little boost of energy. And she certainly felt it. Now there are so many pitches in a portfolio because as Anna says, she becomes so many different characters the way Linda Evangelista once was doing that in a certain decade era. Linda represented that sort of model could take on any roles is that correct? Love her with the wading boots and a Galleano. Beautiful. That's the ultimate pitcher. That's the queen's ends lays in the radio sky young. And she's so beautiful. They're beautiful. I mean, the thing about KENDALL. That is really that the hallmark fabulous. A great model is her proportion. She has got the most. I mean, she's very very beautiful girl. But her proportion really lends itself to any kind of characterization that she wants to do she can use it to hurt vantage completely. And she does she thought she clearly has worked hard her success story because at first people weren't quite sure when she first came into fashion. Who she was in March Jacob show and all of that. But now, you can see that she could she wear anything. She's got on translation veiling barflies. Do you guys to make her look beautiful without very little makeup, which is a new trend. I think no face. Actually, there's a wonderful story with that. Because when we were shooting her mother, of course came by. Of course, see what was going on. And you know, Chris lovely came up to me she said, but KENDALL doesn't have any makeup on. And I said, no, no, no. And I said, no, no, no, no. Of course, she has makeup on. But you know, she doesn't need a lot of makeup and these days if you do put a lot of makeup on a beautiful young girl, you're making a mistake. Beautiful young girls. Do not need a lot of backup. A mother decreased understand that. Yes. Yes. She did. She she raised eyebrow. I have to say. Yes. Of course, she walked away feeling completely comfortable now the red hoodie, the beautiful red oversized Parker who's Parker's that. Yes. And then you made her look very childlike like sort of a head up in knots and a be quite oversight shirt, which is. Air hood by air yet by air with these unzip jeans. What the critic of that what she in the studio that day Chris Christian liked Christmas. Not there for that picture. When we were at the amazing Tony Duquette house. That is the picture where she's by the gold mirror. Yup. She's wearing the way it was an incredible links. And it's probably got so many moved to characters here too beautiful story. Successful. I enjoyed working with her so much. It was lovely to work with cheese lovely to work with. She's completely present. She's a total team player. She's got an easing the reality that you don't really expect. You know, there's no production with her takes her job. Very very seriously. She's a very good model. She doesn't pretend to be anything. But that when she's with you, and it's absolutely wonderful to work with. The kid is much very down to earth girls spent about that infamy from the TV reality TV shows are very down to earth practical girls well to their credit. I love the garden the pitcher where she's got the beautiful French thing that I think it's Ralph Lauren, maybe something. With the big red platforms. Not that is good Chee. Gordon, and I have to tell you this is completely off the record. But now the whole world will know is that we didn't actually have a permit to do that picture. So we ran into we were in London, and we ran into this incredible rose garden in high park. I'm not sure which was and we just took the picture like that. You know, it's a God et quite alright with no harm done. And look at the image of the roses. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. She seems to be very very fresh very unassuming, very natural. And yet very elegant. Yes. Since one of your favorites. Shoot of the year. Yes. It is. Absolutely. We did it over to two different sects today's in Los Angeles. And we did a day in London. Actually, we did in two different parts. Tell us about how you do that the process of separating shoot from one to another city. God, let me tell you you. You don't do it because you want to do it because it's necessary. We, you know, it was a situation where we had an incredible story that could be even more incredible. And to his credit. She said, listen if you have the opportunity coming up in the next couple of weeks to amass this crew again, go for it. And we did did you know, I happen to have been in Europe for something else. Kendall was in Europe for a all she who tour presentation, and Matt and Marcus live in London. So we just we made it happen. How did you choose? How did you choose that? Beautiful Galliano dresses said a gallon on Okla to address was John Galliano, which one. Eighty boats. It is a coup to address it came from the couture. It's beautiful. Absolutely. Tony in the process of all these hunter, you go process your work from one to the next government. Do you take breaks you can just go blank or do? You just continue to work non stop in your mind, who's your mind process, the covers over and over again, you know, what you're doing helps you you know, you move through life, and as you move through life. You take whatever's coming out you and you folded into your next experience. Covers are there experiences with different talents and with different talented, photographers, and they they present themselves to you. And you know, they flow quite effortlessly from one to the other. I mean, it is worth their stress involved. But the the talent and what the opportunities, and the kind of blessings that we all have to work together know, it makes for an incredible experience extraordinaire, people know, which I know that you will once. Okay. Self the reader's favorite models. So stressful to have been a model under the Raymond or director, the fashion director of vote. Well, listen, I went to terrible model. So I mean thing that I laughed at someplace else. Okay. But you didn't have your pitches invoked. We can go back and look at bitches of you invoked. Yes. You can't really believed. She believed you thoroughly. Fortunate. I was photographed by Irving Penn and Richard appetite. Yes. Yes. Yes. Did that help you you're in your processing fashion throughout your career? Absolutely. It it did. And it helps me and working with a model because I know what it feels like to be on the other end of the camera. We are talking to Tony Goodman who has done the most amazing cover of KENDALL Jenner for the big September book, the most important, probably arguably the most important issue of the year, and there's kindle genera covering duty. And she's inside and John Galliano. She's inside she's in product. Louise sprint. And when I love it you to a range of things you've got her in a red sweater, which is a very ubiquitous kind of look you wanna buy sweater of t-shirt underneath and then you've got her in very extorting invent mall, big big billowy jacket, and you've got in very very beautiful languid close. It's amazing on him. Very very well. Well, it speaks to what passion in today because the variety and the different personalities is really there for the picking these are for you. You're gonna wear these things, and as you can see you can you can wear them. They're beautiful and all different types. Take your pick. You looking forward to September weak fashion week. Yeah. I am. I I'm holding onto these days in the country with my children listenable, but I'm certainly looking forward to going back. Tony's been great speaking to gain. So you next month? Thank you so much on happy holidays while you. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. The vogue podcast is reduction of oh magazine recorded here at one World Trade Center and produced by Nagai Mohammadi, and he'll be Couric sound engineering by David Lauren's and hosted by me.

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This is a long. This may be the longest quote that i've ever seen about salivas anonymous. I have a disease. Where every time. Pete davidson date someone. I think it's gonna last forever even though like it feels like evidence to the contrary. I just think. When i saw them dating i was like this is going to be. This is gonna last this. Is it this is the this is the one you know but unfortunately as sun puts it there bridge or done you were. That's funny you were expecting it to last lounge like bridgier done. You know like i don't know if i like. It actually gets a little like i know. They're they're not. They're working off bridgier ten. But like it's almost like gator done and i just find it distasteful. So maybe i've changed. I don't like it. You've changed your mind ranger you're done. Well let me quote the source. Because this can it'll take me thirty five minutes. Isn't that a source. This is men are from mars. Women are from venus like volume twelve. They really do. They explain the concept of long distance relationships. Listen to this. This is all one person. One source as quoted in the sun a source said quote deep inhale peat and phoebus romance was a real whirlwind and from the start they were both totally committed but as time has passed it's become increasingly obvious. It is going to be difficult to make this work. Feebis had back to back filming dates with richardson in the uk. Meanwhile pete has been back in the us filming saturday night live alongside that he has just started working on a new film meet q. With kelly coco p. And phoebe were last together in the uk in july but he has since flown back to the united states. He's not seen her. Obviously all the travel restrictions because of the pandemic have not helped people can't just jump on planes jet around the world when they want to Have you ever looked at the daily mail. It has made everything more difficult. It was pretty telling when phoebe had to croatia with her maids this week. Rather than going to see pete in america. What is this it was. It was wild while it lasted. And they really care for each other but the distance has put a strain on them. Their mates think they make a great couple. But the distance has made it completely unworkable. They had fun and will remain close but unless something drastic changes their relationship. Won't rico. I'm sorry it was wild while it lasted. Who's saying that. I mean it's it's sal is wild while it lasted what this must be someone from feebis camp but this sounds like someone from the like somewhat liquor backwoods camp like a camp where people haven't seen other people in humanity and legislatures imagine nowhere campuses lane when a long distance relationship. How why why wouldn't work in general using the excuses of pandemic and just. Yeah that's it. Pandemic and cirque distance that and then contradicted by saying they had fun and will remain close but unless something drastic. I mean the whole point of this proximity. They don't remain close at all. They're very far apart while they mean. Close emotional yeah. Are you still sad after reading this thing. are you still on. Because this prayer graph this like essay. You just read makes it seem like they really like we're meant to be but they just can't make the distance work and they were unwilling to because they both have big careers ahead of them. It almost reads like someone who is studying to be a publicist like no. What is that practicing right. If it's roberson notes what would be the notes be like. How would you You need to be more succinct. Don't explain things twice and please do not name drop the stars of Davidson's new filming q. Because seeing the word kaley cocoa seeing the words kelly. Cocoa in a statement are distracted. How would you like edit this down. Like i would. I would say you know. Pete phoebus romance was a real whirlwind but it's but it's become increasingly obvious. It's going to be difficult to make this work. Pete's filming a new movie while phoebe working on bridge ten blob and cutting cutting all. I'm calling all that. I would say it was. I would say they both really care for each other. But the distance has put a strain on them period. That i think i think they make a great couple but the distance has made a completely. Unworkable is a nice place to end because l. And you sort of it's like you're validating by mentioning the friends. You know what. Tim seemed like normal. Okay so you. I would just like grab a little bit from the front. I would mention the movie because we got a little press in for the movie. i wouldn't. let's say what really mention the name. I might mention the name just because like wanna mentioned the name who needs. No one needs to mention bitching or saturday night. Live then i would say they're. They're distant. There are far from each other. But they really you know they wanted to make it work but cut the end like that's it needs to be like three sentences tops. Because you wanted noar. You want to avoid any sort of nasty rumors about like. Did he cheat. Did she cheat. Was it something weird. Like was something dark. it's like no. The reason is distance and they are busy. That's it that's it. Too many details to many details bridge bridgier done. Also richard donnas enough. The statement could have been one worried. You're done so this headline dropped while we were recording. Who's there last week but it's still funny removing it to the top of this list because what's funnier than this headline lucy hale removing matching tattoos. She got with her sister colon quote. I'm sorry i think like the page. Six has the same feelings but lucy hill as we do. I'm just this feels very thing. You explain those feelings. What our feelings about lucy hale like undecided like i don't know just like i don't know they cover her a lot but this is kind of a kind of a little bit of a tease right lt. Ease 'cause she wrote on instagram She wished your sister happy birthday and she added into fund anecdote. Which is she made her get tattoos with her but she's getting one of them laser off which is funny for her to make that joke in a headline it's kind of just bullying. You know the headline makes it see the headline makes it. Seem like she's they have this fraught relationship and that she scorned her sister in some way. But the actual instagram is really funny. So i know so. It's like they took. I mean to lucy held credit. Did nothing has been fuller out of context in terms of tone than this like joke that lucy hale tried to make i mean you know what. Why do you think celebrities hate the media. It's like for shit like this. It's not even like that crazy. It's like oh. I just wanted to make a joke of my instagram page. Six is like making me look like some sort of crazy person she has. It says that she has this tattoo blah blah blah. Paycheck says fortunately the to will share another set of matching tattoos quote. This will stay hale said of her. I love you risk tattoo which mattresses sisters and was written in their grandmothers handwriting. So basically she got an. They got two different tattoos for the grandmother. And one of them lucy's getting laser off which was a little son. That's on her back. It's actually a smaller davidson. She should ask him for advice. Maybe they'll if lucy hill and pete davidson got together. I would be like this is it. These two are destined like birger done. This is the marriage like get married like this is the couple. Fortunately over dundas davidson's when involved. Yeah pete davidson's number three criteria for dating a woman number one has to be cute. Cutie gives you the tattoo. She has to number two no not even tattoos. Number two has to be promoting something it sure right well and what is lucy hale always doing promoting something because she always has a new pilot. So those the two things Cutie young hollywood up and coming person. Lucy has been up and coming for ten years. She's got two tattoos. She can understand what he's he's going through in getting all of his removed. They can get their tattoos removed together and it can be paid for by smart water. I think that lucille is a perfect match for people. Always be promoting a pb. A p p ab fuck bp always be promoting. I hate this thing. you wrote the dock. Good reminder and then you pasted inhaling her pretty little liars cast mates also got matching tattoos on their fingers in two thousand sixteen upon wrapping. The show's final season. Never they all got like the letter of their character fingers. I have to say like that's not even the most cringe thing to get nourish finger. The most current thing is the mustaches. That many people have on their finger. Also why we call the finger. It's a pointer finger pointer finger but if it's pretty liars finger because the Liars all the promo art. Hold up there fingering. Gauche would if i was like. Oh i wanna to you on my finger like just when it says. No one says sh- finger it's i would say tara said bobby. I got a tattoo on my finger. I say wild. Lucy hills impact. Look who's dating pete davidson now. My god it's well. This is a lot get taken this one. Okay let's move on to another new romance. That has blossomed so fast. And i wonder why we've talked for ten minutes this morning and it's all just. It's all been a ruse. It's all been a scam. Nothing we talked about has mattered. Until now sandra lee has a new boyfriend. Not the pimple. Popper semi homemade sandrelli. People are always like which sandal gender lee and. I'm like i'm pretty. I'm gonna guarantee you that it's never going to be dr sandrelli. It's only been dr. Sandra lee when people have called 'cause we definitely played calls about which ones more famous because dr sandra is definitely more famous at this point in her career. I'm just saying i'm saying like we will never have like the for four the record it will always be this and ely i mean what if dr pimple popper starts dating andrew cuomo you know what if they go what if they go in reverse. I will just realize that. It's like sandra lee. Sandra dee is that on purpose. The purpose from greece. Saying i'm pretty sure. Centrally was born well before greece came out. She's fifty. it's sushi is fifty five. And the reason i know that is because in writing about this hollywood life nature to tell you that she's fifty five because her new boyfriend Ben yusef is forty two eight gap. It's an age gap. Where everyone's over forty and i feel like that. I don't remember. I'm once every was no but i feel like once everyone's over forty. It doesn't matter sort of like age. Gap gasp. goes away in the press and this is not old for him to be called boy toy which will to later because we have a story about him boy toy or toi as they say in the you would have to be in the in his twenties to be a toy. Twenty kind of ten ish year difference is an enough to notice but not enough to really speak on. You know right melons. Speaking on this the news is more like the peg. The gas of it all is all because of andrew. Cuomo having to resign in disgrace from his john governor engagement to his fucking impeachment. What do you call it impeachment. Now it's resigned resignation resignation. It's it's also very unclear when they met to begin with so who knows. They say that it's they. They met in march. But when did the actual romance start because we didn't see start seeing photos of them together until andrew cuomo was needy wars phrase implying here that this was very deliberate because it literally makes no sense that this engagement would happen on this timeline if not for cuomo. That's what i'm implying. Also neither of these people. Ben and sandra lee will get ben in a second have confirmed the engagement engagement was basically news by the same source from the sun affirmed that they were in paris. The place people go to get engaged and she's wearing a huge diamond ring on her ring finger. So people are saying but also part of me is like these two are clearly making a point to do this. Why wouldn't they just dropped the photos or like say they're engaged like what's the point of holding back that aspect of it and have people guests you know so many photos of them. They are looking for the pops. They are calling the pops. They are performing for the cameras. There's even a photo of them in church together. Like while they were touring through paris. They went into some church that is inch by the way and they sat down and one of the us and the photographers followed them in and took a photo which is like i feel like. That's not the greatest look but it also seems like i bet. They love that. The photographers bulb into church became when they met at a santa monica restaurant in march. Okay we haven't even gotten to the best part about this. Ben yussef is an well. He's an actor. He's a working tv actor but he's a character actor he's like an extra he's a glorified extra he's been at one million. Tv shows as like that guy. You know he's hot and he's younger and he's just like the most just the thirstiest type of actor guy like one of those bios where it's like he was discovered by steven spielberg on the set of mu munich. Were just like you have to inflate every part of your career to sort of stand a chance in hollywood so i watched his real on his website. I assume it's like up there for me to watch right like i'm no casting director but i'm watching it on his website which is his name bin. Yousef dot com. He has this very like. I said like flowery bio it's like my objectivism Actress to bring a new understanding of the middle eastern culture to the rest of the world. My life integrates the islamic spirit with modern energy. I still retain an almost naive way of seeing the world that comes from a truthful place of kid that was me i gotta say i still retain an almost naive way of seeing the world that comes from truthful place as a kid. That was me. Sounds like something that could be on. Sandra leased bio as well. But the thing that. I remember that that shocked me. The most that he was in was he's in an ad for pepsi with christine. Aguilera that is you know how like the pepsi at the the breeze spears pepsi addis iconic hubby. But yeah i would call this the opposite of iconic so is the opposite of conaco you. How do i describe this ad. It's like people from all over. The world are watching christine. Aguilera live on their cell phones and then they somehow summoned her and she appears to sing for them but in their local garden old of them. Well the thing here which is a little bit like okay. She's wearing a like. Gd in the bottle aladdin type outfit which yikes and he is like in a tent with her like taking her photo as he drinks a pedestal. Legs phone this guy's been essentially typecast for like years and years and years and years is he's been working right. i mean he publicists this commercial. You know this is not saying. He's ashamed of it. I'm just saying like you're seeing the beginning of a career. That really has him having to lean into it because he does speak arabic. An is useful for a lot of people to have an actor who does so so has ever heard the song. I've never heard the song before. I never knew it was associated with a pepsi ad like. Actually the song is off christine as a back to basics. Al them so it's not a random pepsi song. It's an offer album back to basics. It looks like he's kind of he was in an episode of hawaii. Five o kind of recently and he's still sort of doing little parts on tv shows but something that he refers himself as refers to himself as a lot is like the founder of a non profit and so it seems like. He's kind of pivoting towards his quote. Nonprofit interfaith leader career more so than his actor career number one. I think it just sounds better. You know it makes him sound more interesting. It makes him sound like the standup guy. Especially compared to. Mario cuomo like this. Despicable disgraceful guy. He seems like you said that. That video seemed like the opposite of britney spears as iconic pepsi video. he's the opposite of andrew cuomo which is what a close friend of the show. You're doing a little stretching here but sure okay a little. Pr benz part. But here's the quote. I think she needed someone completely. Different from andrew. Yeah like you said earlier and then andrew. Most men are completely drew. Also that's true and like you can tell. The power dynamic has severely shifted. You know like she's the daddy in this relationship which is extremely good. Yeah she's her hunky. Who right she shifted to the the them who dynamic which is always key for a for a rebound weight. Future lindsey here on the good mike. I just want to say as i was browsing around youtube. I learned that christine aguilera did also coke ad how to christina aguilera get away with doing both pepsi campaign and a co campaign honestly respect. There's people out there you're gonna say well because britney spears the pepsi commercial. That's why coke has having christine this. There's always that comparison thing which is really old by now. I'm bored with the topic now. Just something that comes with the territory. And she's doing her thing i'm doing mine and it's two commercials. We ran a set of the commercial which was shot on. The warner brothers. Live in hollywood. There's a little bit of singing dancing. But mostly it's a sketch in which christina say well excited fan time they haven't seen the acting side of me so i thought it'd be fun to make this commercial more of an acting bit and kind of a funny skit rather than A whole performance bit. Oh and by the way just in case you're wondering what's your favorite soft drinks coke diet coke real coke real coke regular me too. Although it doesn't show on you. Linda evangelista is fine with salma high. I liked the way this was covered. It's just like this. I want to be clear. That's a headline bobby. Wrote not like. That's not the headline. that was in. The headlight. deadline is a far up. No drama here. Linda evangelista leaves heart emojis under. Snap of salma hayek posing with the sun. She surged with x. Francois on repea- no years after bitter bitter custody battle. So it's like there's a lot of you need to have a lot of context understand this photo as well as like why i we should even care but it's also applying a lot of drama that i don't even think ever existed. The drama was always between linda. Ex husband not linda and some hayek and the sun. So it's like of course she's saying heart to a photo of her son. Basically what happened is some hayek. Who is linda evangelista. Sons new step. Mommy because she married the billionaire. Linda evangelista was married to posted a photo with her stepson linda. Evangelista son and linda evangelista comment at heart heart and the daily mail exploded linda. Evangelisches son really looks like linda evangelista. He really looks like a model. He looks like big super super bowl. Eat another model genes are another efforts. That i'm making a rupaul drag race moment. But that's okay. I'll put the clip and we'll just move on. Say you look like linda. Evangelista your model. Oh lindsey did you see this really funny i just love the way. Candace cameron berets sort of covered in the press. Where it's like. They tried to put her on the level of like actual listeners. But it just doesn't work. And i saw this headline that was like God whereas at candace cameron berets daughter. Looks just like her and twenty. Third birthday post and i was like. They're clearly trying to position. These two is like recent asia you know or something. Like goofy and moses are apple. But it's like this woman just looks like a woman like she barely even looks like her mom. And it's like this is so i love the way canvas always gets like the chased sort of basic slant the basic version of like. She's trying don't mean my daughter look alike and it's like you do kind of look like normal lookalike parents situation when like versus. Oh you know this. Oh reese witherspoon sought are a really looks. Like reese witherspoon. It really is kind of like insane. How much she looks like her verses. You look you look like your daughter. But it's look like your daughter but i wouldn't you know it's not like high at gerbers cindy crawford type shit you know we're evangelista and son. There's something very like this is. This is probably an insane comparison. But it's like if alice tick talk is like cool comedian front facing video tick tock. Then like cameron berlet. Beret is like cleaning the cleaning. Tick talk like she shows up and she's like i'm cleaning talk and it's like you're still popular but you're just not quite as cool right. Does that make sense. Yes well. I can't believe that actually makes sense. You know what time it is. It's friday let's mop burst vacuum the whole house snapping a new moped. We're trying something different today. We're going in with two teaspoons powder tide with bleach and one eighth cup of fabric softener. Now i was a little nervous to try this. Because i didn't know if it would leave my floor sticky streaky or slippery so i wanted to take you through the whole process and find out together. End up okay. Moving on southern charm. I can't stand it. i have never seen the show. It always pops up in the headlines. And i tried to ignore it because something about this show you'll see very toxic mark. It does seem dark but it has given us a lot this but it's given us a lot this year because it gave us the iran thing. I don't even know who they are. But i know that the girl from southern charm essentially broke up jalen a. rod which like god bless gave us benefit kind of kind of kind of heard a thing john's and then it gave us like that weird to of the southern term guys and kristen cavalier like friends. And they're having a weird threesome tryst. I'm making a like quicksand having a threesome. Trysts with these people. Can you name the jennifer lopez a rod mckenzie. Split woman. mackenzie you're so close mccain or not right under mackenzie mccain mccain's earned midst mare. It's a street mac mcallister. Why street you've heard of a famous avenue. I live on it. don draper. What matt allen mattis and honestly must medicine roy pay us weekly. This is not a single curly from southern charm to give you beauty sleep routine win. You said that j. Lo rod broke up because of her. I thought i was like. Did they ever actually say but like that really was. That was the party line. And a lot of places including pages. Page six jennifer. A-rod broke up because of madison. Roy like that's what the official word was a lot of these places The she is. She's like the bowling. Ball the wrecking ball. That started all of where we got to benefit from. Like she really is to thank. We should be raising her. That knocked the j. Lo pan like over a few bowling aisles. Ben affleck yeah sure. That's kind of how that's how bowling works. Yeah yeah yeah. southern charms. naomi olindo opens about life after Tool shop break-up quote. I have no idea what i'm doing. So that's the headline that coming here. Does another southern term women another southern trouble who has nothing to do with madison lacroix. Okay but they all know offense. All these southern trauma look identical like they look like i know i know autumn only know so much more. But it's like i kind of choose not to i feel like it's chaos and also it feels like one of those shows like. Why is this show on. You know okay so. This headline is the one that sort of put me on. This journey and what happened was a few seasons ago. Naomi started dating this guy material shot in charleston which is where the show was centered. I guess sir and he was a resident. Like he's a doctor. He is not a reality star. He is not one of the main southern charm cast members he was i guess for all intents and purposes a normany right. Dr a hot doctor nor me but normally nonetheless okay. I'm an adult relationship like adult relationships. You care about other people's feelings and you respect feeling. I'm the girlfriend of the year. And i respect your opinions. No honey. that's that's normal. Congratulations thank you. Welcome relationship is crazy over here. Be here so she starts dating this guy. I guess he's on the show a little bit but in interviews. That i've watched she's like he so normal he doesn't even watch reality television. He's very private. he doesn't even like going out. Which explains why he like remains. Can normal innocent like someone you get a lot of like information about online like on the hot on hollywood life like hollywood. Life's five things to know about him are so boring. He moved to charleston for his residency. He's living in new york city. Okay so they announced these grand plans to move to new york city together from charleston earlier this summer. Okay and it's like she does a whole. I'm leaving charleston goodbye tour. They're very excited. They're gonna live together. She's hyping it up. She's like. I gotta go meet some people like help me. I want to start a small discussion group for me in new york for girls struggling to meet friends. I'm thankful to have some friends here already. But i can't imagine moving to a city and no no and making friends as adults is hard blah blah. She's very excited about this move. Very nervous whatever. Then they break up okay daybreak up and you headlines like this. Naomi olindo admits her life is in shambles after mutual. Shaw split- okay. But then you look at the actual quote so this is again a situation like we were talking about earlier so bad not y'all almost crashing the shop shop. La by shop lab by what's shop by shop la by. It's like her shopping instagram. So it's her shopping. It's like her money-making project not y'all almost crashing the shop la by site because my life is in shambles. it's l'abbaye shop lubbe but it spelled. La i don't care. I love you people so much. Thank you for supporting me. Like people hurt. She broke up with her boyfriend. They're like we got us. Support our favorite star like bought from her site. I guess but just like the headline saying admits her life is in shambles. Whenever the actual the actual quote is the equivalent of like the crying laughing emoji. Not y'all like starting with the not all joke not this not that not y'all to shed all over. It goes tattoos. shit my life is in shambles. I love you people so much. She seems to be doing fine. But the thing about this woman she gets so much press she went on a podcast called. Sarah fricks are you for real podcast. Which i've never heard of that was a new one for me. I gotta say these like mid tier podcasts. I would count us in one of these. But we don't have guests like mid tier like matere sure. Yeah we're made. I'm just saying as a as an outlet for this type of celebrity to go on and be like i'm a real. Relatable person is so lucrative to them because then like they can just jump off from there in terms of like sharing all of their information. I would argue that. This is what naomi wants she wants to be on. She wants to get the press of the podcast and the press of like what she says in the pod. Getting in us weekly getting aggregated. Because i mean how many emails do we get from publicists a day. Who don't listen to our podcast soon. We have guests is. It's like every every email that starts with like thought you'd be thrilled to have the opportunity to interview like southern charm star. This person or if a movie's coming out it's always the thing where you just made a good point like do you think that. A publicist is sending this quote from cast to page six. Were they don't even well. Maybe i don't know that that's the case. But i do think that like what i see. That naomi lindo is on sarah fricks. Are you for real podcast. What that screams to me is that naomi lindo pays a publicist to email every podcast and existence. Because you don't have any that somebody out there listening to sarah. Are you for real podcast. Which i think people are. I don't even think that people aren't listening. I think people are listening. I'm just wondering how the information gets from here. Very you know just to me. It feels like as somebody who has a podcast. There are endless podcasts. For that people are going on and saying stuff. That is worthy of pickup. So how do we you know re get it to to our to our magazines. I mean it's probably. It's probably a combination of press and just these writers have to listen. I really do think that out of the job. Well it's gotta be it's gotta be gotta listen to the dregs saying like it's probably even. It's probably the same amount of work and lucrative opportunity are like opportunity to listen to these podcasts. Right when they drop and have an also have like sources. That's probably on the same level at this point because it's like you could work time. You could spend time working your sources or you could just be the i listen to every single fucking bought gas that these people just this point one of the reasons that this woman. This woman's story her break-up naomi and materials break-up like struck me was because the more i read about it the savvier she became like i was seeing all these headlines about an sure. I'm sure if you watched the show. There's i you were like she's a mess. I'm i'm a mess like my life at all but then you start reading all these in your wait hold on and it's just the reminder that reality shows as i mean argue the merits of this career path all you want but to be reminded that it actually is a full time job and requires a lot of work and skill and like perseverance is always kind of worthwhile. I guess before you completely dump on it because like you look at this and it says southern charm alumni omya. Linda appeared to confirm that material. Shot cheated on her with social media. Post about betrayal following their break-up. Okay i have seen no proof that this guy cheated on her i have. I've seen no evidence of cheating. There's no like other woman anywhere in the goss in the in the press i can find right. Obviously with this reads to me. Is she knows that. That's what the rumors and i'm sure she loves. It makes her look good. Note the the blame has all been on her so she said this nothing will be worse than losing my dad but this is a close second. Betrayal is never easy for anyone. And i'm just so sorry to anyone that across these terrible messages. Not betrayal could mean anything. Betrayal could mean anything. Okay so like. I don't know maybe this guy is a complete dirtbag. I'm just laughing. Because three weeks ago she posted on instagram. Here's a reminder that social media can be extremely misleading curated and make things appear far different than how they actually are heart. And it's like yeah. I know you know at first. Hand like Yeah you are doing that. Yeah i bet you right either before or after that. She posted on the same instagram feed. That can be misleading. Curated and make things appear far different than they actually are. She wrote quote hashtag at honesty is the best policy. And i'm all about being open and transparent with you guys especially when it comes to myself as you might know. I receive at botox. Cosmetics botulism toxin a which like the medical. The scientific term for it not on navolato toxin as you know i received on a botulism toxin a and juvetr volusia trademark exc- and velour trademark exc- and i'm so glad i decided to be honest and share my experience and she goes on and on about why juba god and by my bio for more info so also social media can be extremely misleading. Rated making things up here from the healthy actually are what you know. Meanwhile i love this. This is the last thing the last thing about this. Every story wrote about how she deleted all of his photos from her instagram. And then i went to his tools instagram. He hasn't deleted shit. He has every photo. It seems like every who's ever taken with this woman is up there. He's an sec all gist. She's she's injecting botulism in. maybe they just. They just weren't on the same page. Naomi your new knows has been a topic of discussion in the clubhouse online everywhere. Let's take a look at a before after there. You go bobby you know. I love to like ding. You love what telling ding my phone. Like i don't pull out a i. Don't pull it a wallet anymore. Yeah i know. I mean in an ideal world. Do everything with your apple watch. Well okay. let's not even get there. I'm always like oh my phone. I'm like on the bus. I'm like ding. I love paying for the train with my phone. Yeah i'm just happy ever like take up my wallet ever again. You know. I know how you feel right not carry it around. I hate having it in my pocket especially because my topaz is so deep when you're topaz deep and you can't get your wallet out you're like fuck this because you already have your phone in your hand. Your phone not really going anywhere and when it's time to pay why out your wallet your purse when you probably already have your phone in your hand like i just said it's a great point. That's exactly what you said. And it's a great point. hey pal. 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Got to say i am a little over this phenomenon of the girlies saying oh. Stop making jokes about me. Even though i'm a public figure in tv shows you know like It basically implies that we're not allowed to reference pop culture within called within art or like calling gossip girl art whatever but in within movies and tv and popular art. You know i. i agree with you. This sort of criticism is really annoying when it's like this is because they're trying to create a believable character. Who would say something like this. And like you have to trust that the viewer. Who's watching when this is said says like oh that's kind of like fucked up and funny but the character is fucked up and funny and they're in the wrong for it to blame the show then to be like. Oh the show is sexist. I'd just i'm a little character. Sexist and that's kinda the point i guess i don't know i'm a little like i'm a little like free speech about this to say the reason were no. I think it's very free speech. I think the difference. Between what sookie and taylor or doing so i think there is the only reason we would even talk about this because the president is taylor swift getting courtyard. Ed this trend i would say the selena gomez of kind of alongside it has been a thing that keeps getting almost repeated. Where joke about the kidney so Yeah i will say though. The difference between sookie is that a she's considerably less famous than either those women. Yeah but b. Because of that her twitter's just sought core sorta. And she's not she's not making the demands and and i don't know trying to get the public away selena and taylor damn and she deleted them so she realize like i'm bill. Response is understandable. But she okay so we didn't even say what the thing was. There was a joke and gossip. Girl that was a little mean in which a mean person says mean person mean person in the show says As far a one. Are you going to get it. As far as the press is concerned. He's our pats cookie. Nobody luna said zoya and her boyfriend. Ob you know. It's not the best joke but at ease a reference and it is kind of like okay. We're trying to. We're trying to mimic. How people would speak like i don't know i could. I able joke about sukey waterhouse in their normal everyday life proof about this kind of a realistic thing to say in a way like i think points interesting. Actually i think our points more thoughtful than taylor's or selena's let's because the she actually watched the episode says the episode. Yes in your just. There was a scene of talking about the patriarchy. And you know whatever. I'm sure different character was talking about the patriarchy and she wrote another day to be reminded that women can also be the patriarchy and she added gossip girl and she added the woman that wrote this episode and then she said seeing critiques of patriarchy and sexism. Then i get named check to. Somebody's nobody girlfriend. Make it makes sense so she sang like over. Shows gonna also like talk about the patriarchy than it should also have this. My thing is there are many different characters on the show and the characters all have different motivations and personalities and some may hate the patriarchy and some may love it and that's like why the show itself can't be unified thing right. I'm just a little. I know you kind of disagree with me. But i'm just overall sick of this. The i kind of disagree with you. I do like that. She deleted it. But i think the thing is like. She's so she so normal and forgettable that like the fact that she makes sense you know like if she were more famous if she were more famous be annoyed by this but because she's kind a normal and i know she's not an english which model. Who's dating rubber patents right. She's she's if anything she's not normal at all. And i and like you said. I think what you said can't be ignored. These are tweets from someone who is casually watching a show. That daylight taylor swift. There's almost certainly sent a clip right. Got mad and repeated so selena gomez stuff was not even seen gomez complaining and was her fans. So it's like yes. You're right like this is eddie i for taylor lena punching they're punching up or they're punching down there hunting down but for this it almost feels like sookie waterhouse's punching across because she couldn't lateral punch passing gossip girl. You know in a way but just feel like would sochi waterfalls got cast in something where she was playing a bitch character. Who made a bitch joke like. Would she say. I don't wanna make this joke. If it was like what. The i don't know i just i feel very like torn about even like i'm not the world's biggest gossip girl fan of this of this new one but i just feel a little like i get kind of have an understanding. It's good to be humble but also understand that like you are dating robert pattinson like you are dating robin and like i get why she'd be annoyed. Considering the fact that the show has been promoted as this like right very progressive woke version of this dated thing. I understand why she's like oh the shows proclaiming to be so like good for society and yet i'm still being made fun of but the joke it's also kind of a misunderstanding because she's so close to it a misunderstanding of the joke. I don't think that the is sexist. I think the joke is mean. Yeah but the joke is about sukey being a who and rubber pads beaten to them. That's all the joke about right right and also the joke is about the joke about the press so she sang the press like she's not wrong. That's like whatever so. It's hard to be like that. Get why she's man. It also having having said that looking at taylor swift's tweet in. Nothing is worse than what she did. Nothing is worse than her saying. Also netflix after miss. Americana this alpha doesn't look cute on you. She's like bull. She's kind of being like she made them remove it. She bullied them. Sookie doesn't shuki stop bullying here. So he's just like she's like if you want anything from taylor swift anymore you will be taking down. This joke are apologizing for it and it's like now that's escalating. That's at air france. Hey at air. France you know excetera lega sukey was annoyed. She tweeted taylor was annoyed. You will take this down. No one child criticize me. Ever sookie was like ooh. That was a crazy tweet. Delete that and robert pattinson was like. What's gossip girl right like disappointed. Slakes snarky in a way know so. She was watching trailing ranked. She's named check. Of course that'd be jarring right right anyway. I hate coming out of the sookie waterhouse defender but like okay that were on different sides of this. I think it's like both point. Both sides are valid because of this very specific person and this type of joke that was made. Yeah for taylor swift and selena gomez. I'm on the side of like deal. If you're a famous person you kinda gotta deal with jokes. That are that around almost living on and it's like unless truly awful but then it's like okay. Fine whatever. I'm just saying you wouldn't see like you truly wouldn't see who. Who are the most famous extremely famous actors. Like antalya roberts and viola davis jennifer aniston responding to an. Hbo series making a joke about them on twitter. They do it. they wouldn't do it. Well i think because they know that if they play a character one day that also says terrible things. I don't want to be responsible for that. You know what. I mean like kate. Winslet played a nazi and the reader. I don't think she wants to be responsible for anything that character says. She went an oscar for playing. She won an oscar for nazi. Were supposed to sympathize with like and she made it out the other end. Okay i referenced. But i'm just saying like they wanna be actors want to be able to play. Whoever they want first and foremost without being told they can't not to go into like the reader but imagine imagine a twitter conversation equivalent of the movie the reader. It would go something like this tweet one. I don't know why we're out here. Defending whatever her name was like elsa she's a nazi and then someone. Someone would respond to the tweet being like yet but she is illiterate. And then some would quote treat that and say like not the way to be all the way to be nazis. The nazi like eight hundred thousand retweets. And then there would be a trending topic. Being like nazis literate illiterate illiterate nazi. Still a nazi. And it's like people are discussing the trial of of illiterate nazi elsa and whether or not. She deserved what she got like. It'd be like would be so insane right. And she won an oscar for that. So the idea that this is being taken to twitter loses all nuance of what we're even de anyway so like once again. All these people taking to twitter to complain about this kind of devalue whatever point that they had no matter what so. Thank you for clarifying why. We talked about the reader at all. Honestly lost i brought it up. I i i brought it up but like isn't it so easy to imagine the conversation. We're blessed the reader came out and what your dozen six or something. Yeah but no. I'm saying like if whatever it's a stupid point but the reader wiles nova and time. Here's something i'm gonna tweet tomorrow. Why are we not talking about here. We are talking about it enough. Caitlyn won an oscar for playing a sympathetic nazi who we were supposed to forgive simply because she couldn't read no not happening. Y'all yeah forty thousand retweets. One hundred fifty million likes at motion picture academy like this isn't the look or something like that. Not look. it's not the luck okay. Movie into town hall twenty five things we cut or excuse me. Lindsey cut with good reason. Didn't hire segment on. Bb rex's twenty-five things. It was so boring. I'm so disappointed in her. It should have been good. It was it was bad. Shit ever hall has like three things that are three things that are funny much. Funnier than bb rex's including number twelve. My nickname as a kid was not necessarily. Because i always i was always challenging was told to me. I'm sorry if you were nicknamed childhood. Please confirm or deny this called. The unsolved called the us weekly hotline at six one nine let us know who the mystery and let us know if people actually call cameron hall not necessarily. Because that's like that's words out that's like a a mouth marbles calling someone not necessarily non is. that really happened. not necessarily. it's a funny anecdote. But not one that i really feel like stands up to a lot of scrutiny on the number fifteen when you're really running out of things. I don't really like popcorn. That is the most like gun to the head number. Fifteen thing i've ever seen entire life. That is i don't really like popcorn. It's like not like. I don't like bob goerner. I'm allergic to popcorn or i've never eaten popcorn. It's like almost like a. It's not quite decided on whether it likes kita. This wreaths to me way that this was done in an interview setting this was done on the phone and the person was mining for twenty five things and they were like asking the normal prop questions. Cameron hit a roadblock. And then the us weekly interviewer said was there anything you don't like. Is there any food you don't you don't really like no. I don't really like pop popcorn and the weekly person was like perfect. Great that's number fifteen. Feels like it's just like twenty five. Things should be definitive. Not this wishy washy. I don't really like all even if it's in front of me. But i don't really like popcorn and then proof that i think these are actually published in the order. They were revealed twenty two. We're getting closer to the end. It's like tamarins tired. Her publicist is like sheet. Tamarin has three minutes. You have three minutes left. And they were like well. We have a couple of things left. Is there anything jimmy spawn. You wanna get through like do you have any contracts and agreements with brands that you want to get out whenever i go to the beach or to the park. My bag always has off family care in it. It's bug spray right off spokesper useful and i'm just like that reads to me like spawn. Where she was like. Oh yeah. I should just work this in. Maybe not i may not be contractually required but it would be nice. If it just mentioned my ambassadorship with off family care moving on a lot of like media talk in this like talking about celebrity in lissome he in this episode. This one is from the website. Jasmine brand and they were talking about angel breaks. Who's a basketball star. She was on basket wise for wild than she left. Now she's coming back And she dated tyreek evans for a long time. That's how she was on it originally basketball player. He's basketball player. Which is weird. He's one of the. When i saw that she dated tyreek evans i was like. Oh i know that's a basketball player because member who we just talking about who like never dated a basketball player any last week. This lead is the. I've never ever ever ever ever ever seen this construction in gossip reporting before the jasmine brand exclusively reports that basketball star angel breaks is allegedly pregnant. I'm like i don't know what to do with this town hall saying i don't really like popcorn. I don't really know fragment leave report that somebody is allegedly pregnant right. And you can't do that either. Were all saying that somebody might be pregnant or no one saying that somebody might be pregnant. You're only allowed to exclusively say whether somebody is pregnant or is not pregnant exclusively reports. That basketball web store angel brings is allegedly break. I wanna say. I'm down for any jasmine brand exclusive. I you know. I love the jasmine brand. They're a newer like tablets in terms of like the long span of the traditional. But i love the jasmine brand. But i have to call them on this one because you cannot say. Somebody is exclusively allegedly pregnant. The next sentence though doesn't really do any favors with regards to like the wishy-washiness because the next it's makes it seem like she really is pregnant. Sources tell us that the entrepreneurs having her baby shower filmed and it may be shown on the upcoming season of the series. So i guess. She is exclusively allegedly pregnant. Do that what you will. That's funny that's funny. Excuse me allegedly incredible. That's really it's really good. What else is incredible dating. a gondolier. Never seen this before in my life. I screamed first of all. The sun has been exclusively covering this like four months. I mean there are supposedly allegedly many articles about this woman dating a gondolier. You could just die. Here's the one that just came out recently. Just one more. Petco not sure what petco implies. But like whatever. Melanie sykes fifty-one smogs. Her gondolier toyboy twenty four in venice. So she is a tv presenter. Her name is like she is out of the uk. She is very specific to the uk. I'd never heard of her. Then when i looked her up it was like. Oh she's like a she's like a regular across all. Tv's like she did she. She costa today with dez in mail. And and let's do lunch with gino de campo and she Hosted she was on frigging the great pottery throwdown and draw it and she's on radio too and she came in third on. I'm celebrity. get me out of here and she also what you're saying is she's a legitimate tv personality. It's not like bullshit. Exactly she's like a. She is like a repeat offender. I mean she's just like never without some sort of job but the so this so it makes us news even funnier. Because she's not some like random she is a woman dating a fricken gondolier in venice. This i mean moving in. Venice didn't move there and dating going venison dating a gondolier younger gondolier. It's like that such an impossible. It's such a dreamy profession that it sounds like something out of a song lyric like. It's like you'd only say went to venice and dated a gondolier like lana del rey or something or lord and and it rhymed with the word and the next line. There are many many photos of this woman. Smooching her gondolier boyfriend. My love melanie. Sykes fifty ones as italian. Toy or twenty. Four has her heart as they reunite in venice. Melanie said she was too happy to care after being pictured kissing in the street. Now they're five day fling has proved to have gone the distance despite living nine hundred and sixty miles apart. Take that phoebe and pete davidson cheering idyllic picture of herself on a boat. Melanie revealed she's head over heels for her italian lover. She wrote show for now beautiful. Venice love you. And your people have my heart at ricky semanario amora etc venice hash medicine forever ricardo reply to the presenter writing. Thank you very much for the good time spent together when asked about the twenty seven year age gap. She said he said when asked about the twenty seven year age gap. He said. Beauty is relative. Maybe what in your eyes is. Beautiful isn't to me. Every person is different. Nationally doesn't matter true. No oh my a gondolier saying true. No poetic gondal forgot about the body rules. Mel sykes flouts quarantine rules in london. After a trip to venice to see boy toy lover so she's been she's been at this for some time he's actually a gondolier. We what we need is rita ornate a gondolier. Because i feel like there's a lot to do with oars an aura or at least a boater. Some sort of fishermen read or a needs to date someone who works on a boat. You know what i'm saying. There's a lot of puns to be had with reader or on a boat is what you're saying this exactly this caption is really killing me. It's a photo of her. On the gondola with her hunky gondolier boyfriend behind her and the caption is mel pictured with her gondolier toy now faces a thousand pound fine breaking quarantine roles and there's just so many photos of them kissing and photos where it's like. He's wearing his gondolier hat. And she's got her arms wrapped around him and they're smooching and it's like only Oh that gladys show Boarding cream of a minute bad lindsey. You said you had a game for me. Saw this game has nothing to do with anything. That's been in the show. Sorry topical. I wanted to write a game. You know it has to do with exclusives kind. Alleged exclusives are actual actual. I was visiting favorite website closer if we don't talk enough enough about closer. I'm not sure why. Why is it ever come up closer. Weekly yes our weekly where the celebrities are closer to death or already closer to death. That's what it means. And they have a lot of exclusives. Okay and so i was. I picked up a bunch of the. And i wanted to read you headlines and i want you to guess which one is not the closer exclusive. I think this will be hard for you. I think you might be tricky. Okay i'm gonna do four headlines one of them is not closer exclusive okay. oh well exclusive. Gene kelly was an incredible father. Says daughter kerry i have many very good memories exclusive pedal. Abell nothing scares me. After appearing on dancing with the stars and the mass singer in her seventies exclusive the truth about joan crawford late stars. Family denies mommy. Dear story of abuse and cruelty exclusive tristan thompson and khloe kardashian. Why he's confident he can win her back. Okay it's tristan thompson including credits from hollywood life. that was not a closer exclusive. Good job okay. Next question exclusive lawrence hilton jacobs cast of welcome back. Kotter became family on iconic seventies sitcom exclusive. How linda carter is coping after husband. Robert altman's death. She honored him. Every day exclusive. Sally struthers says all in the family cast got along beautifully. There wasn't competition finally. We know that exclusive speculation grows at tristan thompson is looking for a do over with exploit asean colon. Crashing appears to support the nba's pros attempt at changing. Stop if these are all tristan thompson including courtesy. And i'm gonna be one the tristan thompson and that was from magazine. Okay next question explosive. Liza minelli says there were highs and lows with mom. Judy garland but childhood was very happy exclusive late singer. John denver had a passion for music life and activism. he was a purely good guy exclusive. Han cleveland actress. Wendy malick says she still feels like a kid had seventieth birthday closer loves wendy malick exclusive tristan thompson post about changing growths. Choose your circle. Wisely d right. That's from people dot com only god. Okay here's the next one. We're almost done exclusive audrey hepburn sons. Sean and luca called her normal upbringing. It prepared us for the world exclusive. James dean secret love letters. The sweet things he wrote to actress. Piper glen exclusive barbara eden. Says she has millions of memories of her late. I dream of jeannie co star larry. Hagman exclusive trusting tristen. Khloe kardashian is back with x. tristan thompson as she's desperate to make it work after he cheated on her. The last one that's correct. That's from the sun. Okay here's the last question. This one might be really hard. I don't know if you're going to get it. Okay exclusive ruta lee recalls her friendship. With extraordinary host alex trebek's he loved telling me stories exclusive. Marlene dietrich's grandson. Peter river riva. Recalls the actress simple life in paris before her death exclusive dynasty actress. Linda evans seventy eight. Says she's happy not dating we don't have to have a man and finally exclusive. Mickey rourke is in puppy love as he kisses his beloved pooch during a lunch date with a friend in beverly hills. Okay that's a trick. They're all closer weekly exclusives. No the last one is not. It's from the daily mail. That wasn't oh. I thought that was going to be a final trick That sounds like a closer weekly thing. Mickey loves his pups anyways game. I have to say. I feel like i i. We learned a lot about khloe. Kardashian learned so much about location. I learned a lot about. Sally struthers too. Was she wary go. Where was she seen. she posted. why on gran. She's the who queen onto who What's rita ora up to. Who is this woman read. The news is now inextricable from takeaway. News what are the same. Okay i don't want to report on his businesses or his movies. I don't care about his creative endeavors. Like i'm not like you're right like i guess. Now he's part of this. But i don't want to hughes on a separate entity in terms of his creative work but but this is rita's impact this must be redesign impact takeaway t posted these have to say they look like they're taken in jail or something. There's the lighting is bad. something's audible hammer learn old. There's something going here. Also the he has the underwear and it's like wrinkly and ugly. Look you get a sense of what it looks like. He just got shipped to him anyways. He writes this post says my buddy rome keno created these undies to promote healthier attitudes towards how we see our bodies. This isn't an ad and i'm not getting paid to promote anything. Just like these damn undies. They're comfy. They're made of bamboo. And here's the most insane thing. They smell like mint boys. Finally you can have many balls okay so tango. Td sure it's not spawn. technically. Although i'm a little bit like sauce about that is all of a sudden posting. His friends smelly underwear on system but smelly in a good way smelly in a good way. Smelly you know it still. Why do i want miss smelly under the smelly mint. I don't understand why that's what happens when those when you wear. I don't wanna know. It seems like the chemistry there. does it her. would it hurt. No i think what happens on the smell like where i just. I feel weird. I thought about that. This is a reason why we don't. There's a reason why we don't have smelly clothes like as a thing you know. Am i mean. I what you're trying to say. Here i think is that sort of behavior is clearly readers influence. Where she's like maybe he wouldn't do the stuff in the past because he felt like you know what i'm a professional. I want to be seen as a creative professional's ears good official. Even though he sort of silly he's a silly guy and read. it was like no taika. Nobody fucking cares. Just do it. This is okay. I mean truly the real test will be if he does actual spawn like rita that way but this is kind of the first. This is really testing the waters. You know 'cause read is obsessed with getting an item and being like my friend gave me this phone charm or whatever she's rubbing off and so is the smell of mint on those underwear you know the rubbing off okay. She was stockers. Lauren phillips reveals singer rita ora was naked when they met the first time. This story is so fucking funny. So this woman named laura phillips is dating a private. Jet tycoon named paul o'brien aka their richest. Hell okay. They clearly have a mansion in australia. Where rita ora stayed. Because that's what these people do. It's how they save money. They just stay in each other's empty houses when they travel the world. Okay right so rita's clearly staying at this person's house it's a favor it's empty. She's australia my okay. So she's staying at this house. This is this is from lauren. She's saying lawrence house. She saying that. Lauren and her boyfriend's house. Paul o'brien business back in the day though. Okay okay. she's dating a friend of ours. Brackets filled record tyco. Itt and i walked in and she was completely naked and we had a really awkward funny conversation. She wasn't phased by anything. And she seems like the coolest chick on earth lawrence at read. It even helped her. Lawrence said rita had even tried to help her look for party for a party costume. Despite being naked quote she pretended to help me. Look for the costume for the dress up party. When she was starker she chuckled. This woman went into the house and forgot read or was staying there but then rideau auto is like i'm naked. Who like who even cares. Read or didn't labrador was now lately. Say that's a good house. Guest year owner shows up your negatives roll with the punches. And you're like oh what were you looking for a help. You and you remain naked lauren. Who is dating private jets. I can paul. Paul ryan said she had been away for a while and forgot. Rita was staying at the house since she then walked into the spare room. Looking for a fancy dress costume for a party. She was attending only to see the hot right now. Hitmaker in her birthday suit. That's not the hot right now. Hitmaker okay but we're down thinking listening to their pursuit of a weekly some patriotic session. Weekly for bonus episodes and more content also to get patriot perch you can purchase tickets in advance with patriot codes. And don't forget you can purchase tickets in advance with your who weekly co just for being a listener. You can listen. You can order now With our code which is for regular listeners. You can use this on wednesday ak tomorrow. Ww live ww live. This goes live on wednesday at. 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PodQuiz 857

PodQuiz

16:50 min | 2 weeks ago

PodQuiz 857

"Eight five quiz eight hundred and fifty seven a few think he's before we start this week. I of things to charlie who came up with the idea for round one thanks to pay toners chelsea and snia cafe and the kelvin family. And thank you to new patron patrons. Loki kissy and tom round one. It's an odd one out busy. And this week so thorough full pieces of music to listen to full which i would like to tell me both artist and title and then number five is the one out of the fall western one working question to before west. This feelings question four question five. I'd like you to tell me. Which if those full songs is the odd one out. Round to rent to eastern telescopes says what name is given to a pair of refracting. Telescopes melted site by site and aligned to point in the same direction question seven. The era cbo telescope was the largest radio telescope in the world for over half a century and featured in which james bond movie diamonds are forever. Goldeneye moon rica question. Age launched in one thousand nine hundred ninety which space telescope featured eighty two point. Four meter mirror which was discovered to have been ground incorrectly the assessing a servicing mission in nineteen ninety-three question. Nine sometimes called the father of observational astronomy. Which italian scientists was the first to use a telescope for astronomy. Seeing for the first time the rings of saturn and the larger moons of jupiter question ten. What kind of telescope uses curved mirrors rav than lenses to form the image round. Three three east television. You're about five short clips from television programs and in each case. I'd like you to tell me the name of the show question. Eleven and stuck in a kit with no nothing interns adventure. I can't you break christina. We ever gonna talk about this burke thing. I'm not easy. I'm not gonna lie in the bathroom all day. I'll trade you the hanikos. 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Jim seventeen we. Each animal was preserved in formaldehyde. For the nineteen ninety-one damien. Hirst art work. The physical impossibility of deaths in the mind of someone living will say it's a cow a dog all a shock question. Eighteen anna mcneill. Whistler is the subject of which eighteen seventy one painting question nineteen which artistic technique involves inflating a bubble of molten glass to create bottles and other glassware question. Twenty founding is a pretty made sculpture consisting of a porcelain iran deal signed arm mutt and was created by which artist in nineteen seventeen. I shall be back with the answers in three and a half minutes after dot hice with. I fra telescope scope. Now the through simple on rose push it by salt. Lucy to both me suga. By three stunts do number three sugar sugar. Cheese full pulse shook me by that. Put number five the outs. We had watermelon. 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Playbook #3 - How To Validate Your Startup Idea

Hustleshare

50:26 min | 1 year ago

Playbook #3 - How To Validate Your Startup Idea

"The hostile Sheriff podcast is brought to you by AWS. The world's most comprehensive and broadly opted cloud platform use. Aws Now to lower your business costs become agile and professor innovation. Apply out to get a thousand dollars free credits at hustle shared dot com slash. Aws I also by tag cash. Spend play earn filled a mobile wallet Super App for your startup go now to hustle shared dot com slash tag cash to apply and get your startups. Wallet and caliber is the easiest. Yes most convenient way to get hired. Caliber Taylor fits the perfect job. Based on your unit skills hire the best people for Your Company triple dot caliber dot com and use the Promo Code Tussle share caliber. Jobs find you. Welcome to the third edition of the also share plebe up. My name is von Stor host in his labor dispute powered by AWS. The world's most comprehensive and broadly adopted cloud platform we are proud affiliate of the podcast network Asia. But before we begin with light to remind you that this label it contains Nazi for work language. To make sure there are no kids. When you're listening to this your city we have a very well? Respected Startup Mentor. WHO's has helped hundreds of startups there in Philippines? In every facet imaginable. But today we're going to have him talk about how to validate your startup. The idea and his name is Paul Powell and we're lucky to have Paul because he's done this thing so many times in helping startups validate their idea. Yeah also rations. Adopt the lean startup methodology today policy in a walk through the step by step process of how how founders should validate their idea without even building anything yet if not just that all also gonNA site concrete examples of how locals therapy in the Philippines and make sure to take down notes because Paul is GonNa share on of the sources that you can use to get this hustle going ready to learn how to validate your startup idea. Let's begin this waiver right now. What did a third hustle share playbook book we finally got him this over the past couple of the past year? I've been serendipitous. Also try to get this guy on the show. Because I don't know anybody who's more qualified so actually talk about Startups than this guy. And finally we have under show for the playbook what we have missed their pitch man ball so much energy. Thank you pay offer so again. I don't know anybody who can talk about this topic better than you do. Because you've probably thought thousands awesome undefinitive incorporates about this topic but Paul. What's our play today? We're going to talk about. MVP validation minimum. They got money but Just probably or validating your idea there you go so this is again again. A lot of people There's a lot of listeners. Hustler share Also it's a mix of experience founders in also just a lot of people were right on the update you know the the one trip in the first time boundaries and this thing we had to go through this so many times because back then and when we first met Wendy Eleven twenty twelve. There was no such playbook and now we have almost a decade's worth of playbook Leib books that experience. It's not just what to do. And we'll site also perfect example of how other startups or how did it are those that can help you out. Okay Okay so Paul when you talk about idea validation. What are the first thing that you need to do? So you need to backpedal and and realize why you have this idea now right because When when recreate that businesses may be twenty years ago The first step. I remember when my my mom and dad would like setup business diverse thing you needed was a Fisa -bility plan right so it became a business plan. Okay reason because to set up a business Twenty years ago a few decades ago he needed a lot of resources. And if if you make a mistake you make a mistake. Then that there's a lot of money down the drain trade. So what happens is the last ten years in the Philippine startup ecosystem There's a lot of resources available now for example you know how Amazon these things right so now. Aws by the way if you want one one thousand three dollars free credits just to share dot com slash aws. A this to be agnostic about it. Yeah so so. What happened was It became very very cheap lou to actually do a start up So the pendulum swung so from right needing a lot of resources. I remember like the number like I think nine nine. Thirty seven or something I think there was a number. ooh It's cheaper now to set up Something like excited. That comet was like three million dollars read somewhere it was cheap meaning for that time so three so in other words you're raising money for three million years now. Of course no you can for a hundred dollars right if you have if you have a W We can do a lot of extreme experiments if you have a facebook page and all this so what happened was the pendulum swung from. It was very hard Do create an A business around an idea. You really need resources and set up the business plan right to every every person now just just tries to door start up from the idea in a lot of times. They make mistakes so so. In other words the pendulum has swing somewhere back right and basically how. How do we have a mess? Outdoor madness in other words most happiness you have to be a little bit crazy to be doing a startup. How do you make sure that what you're trying to do actually make sense in the market? And that's the way idea by Asian guy play so so the first being you need to understand probably is your idea something that people will pay for the kinds of their ideas the as their ideas that so out of this blue that many people don't even understand the model for example airbnb when it was great that Yeah Uber Once in five years their ideas that are so crazy. You don't even know if it's going to make money right greg but their idea. Esol in you already have people paying for a service and you just need to do something better. Faster are more efficient whence once you have any of these improve that then you're closer to something that that will probably make money so so that's my first advice to play like he went into a start up looking at something that's already in the market because that means someone someone already paying for it for example by defile probably bribing the balancing. So they'd be clubs right right right. People Jess is. It's an easier version of that. So so the validation there is people actually paying to get into the collapse. The answer yes we just needed an APP version of it. It's so that's why I probably defy work already. I remember Republicans. Lines and get into Lads Matab bought like when TAT TAT Butler being created. There's people were asking how to create that there was already a demand were asking ebbs and then Chat Bot basically automated that automated and basically able to address the demand by creating the supply. So so that's my first. Advice is a lot of people think startups this. Just all this crazy esoteric idea. Sure there is like I want to go to Mars ill in master or yeah Nice Electric car. That doesn't look like a golf cart. Which Tesla so? Those are the ideas but No one knows if someone's willing to pay to go to my right. That's a very crazy idea. That's why I'm trying to do is what's the lower. What's the lower go So he's trying now to do space x between CDC saying Live from Los Angeles to Shanghai intertie minutes. So I'm sure how do you know someone's GonNa pay for that. Because there was the Concorde you remember we did have concord. The problem that that plane was so noisy it was the sonic boom bust destroying strolling down at so in other words we know even in the nineteen sixties. There is a demand for supersonic flight. so He's just not. It's too early for its time name. Yeah but now. I'm not this like so much travel. And I'm sure businessman who wants to be able to just fly in and out of countries probably pay a ten thousand dollar flight SPACEX and it's also a signal in great detail. There can't be Shanghai twenty minutes right. uh-huh bathing thousand right true. So so that's made I Advice like sure how Burstein Abadia but look at what outside look Out Look out. How people are being freighter? In fact it might not be in today. For example I remember I was in a bar if I and then staking Salvi right and what happened. was you know you know like the waves just came in and basically may get destroyed right. Oh Shit so so when you think about it did I pay for the service. Sure I paid for it because I'll have to buy a new fund so guess what's the what's the idea around that you have gopro. So yeah the people by Gopro because you can do the same thing you can be with your camera but it's waterproof. You can be mounted so that I realize that idea came from there but I didn't latch onto it for me. It was just an accident but right when you think about it how many people with cameras are phones. Had It west I and they never invented the Gopro right right so there was right there in plain sight cited so so think of experience as we are paying for it by. You're paying for it with money. You're being it by now. You don't have to buy a new phone you don't have to go through certain steps instead of being able to do it within a week now. It's going to take you like six weeks weeks a year. What what are those things? Endorse ideas may be that people are willing to pay for now the push money. Just throw money at you because yes they just WanNa make their life less painful guy. Okay now after you do have a look around in what not and you have an MVP. Okay so I I. I see what people are doing. What's the next step so now shop idea? Now you have to test it in late create a class a prototype so A good example would be like for example instagram. If you wanted to instagram how would you have done that maybe Set up a photo booth somewhere Baker. Take a photo and then use filter. NC and say. Hey Man. I'M GONNA be. I'm going to set up a filter over. You're willing to pay a dollar for this. So you need to do a flow latte and see how your product will be received by people in and see if they can after Lee alleging. That's the idea. And there's like if there's like a floyd interest then then you can probably put in a little a bit of money now and turn it in the thing. Is this validation. Talking to people a lot I realized when we go to start weekends this stop by the Filipinos. Don't really like because because Filipinas or naturally right in Iraq and we're not really shy indirect so so you don't really want to tell him and he really like this but so I let them deal with like Be for other people to do a study or we do a survey when being there themselves way. They're talking to people when they're receiving criticism or wealthy towing the insight actually clicks right Like like no we have certain startups. There are things that the customer is telling mean saying. Hey why don't you do this into that allows you to tweak your product along the way so away this valuable aboard because imagine if you created that APP and then now you have to change the feature in the APP because you didn't listen to the customer it. It's more expensive right but if you actually listen to the customer I listened to it a few hundred times. Yeah then by the time you create the apple you would have enough insight and you know at least eight thousand ninety percent of the things that they really want would be. They're glorified focus group discussion but instead up up be normally focus people comrade right near the one going where the action is for you to be able to experience viscerally early holiday receiving your idea. Your your your prototype apartheid now My question is because it can be seen a lot of people do this too but they get overwhelmed also with a lot of data and they didn't know what to say. So is there a structure to to properly get that data deficient so when they do this in a corporate setting. Okay I have to our page man. Yeah I have have to set up the the history for this meaning. What we're athletes doing an experiment? So a lot of people don't realize what an experiment various inexperienced basically is your testing one thing. Get your testing one. Variable what you're talking about said they get overwhelmed a lot of things in most of the time they have a variable or they have to variables having two variables is messed up. Because when you're doing experiments experiment was you know which of the variable actually and confounded right. The result is confounded. So what do you need to do is set up an experiment where in there is only one variable. So how do you say this. For example you have a prototype and do you want to experiment on price. So what do you need to do is ask people if they want to buy it. But you're just changing the price of your deliberate about that. You understand exactly the price elasticity of your duck because you're only experimenting with one variable you can do to you just have less. You're a brilliant mathematician man eight bucks right in fact. That's a physics three body Eddie problem right meaning Winston variables like. How do you know how each other is affecting so if you can set up your startup? Experiment We the one variable you should. That's the best way and if you can't then there's probably something wrong with that your methodology because that means you don't understand and your product well enough that you can break down to the point that there's only one variable that testing ended one variable is what you need to learn so I'm sure we'd do. AB testing right right. I mean changed. One word chains won praise. God bless you know. What's what's good now? I remember one thing that you use in one of the things things that I've seen you do it for From the lean startup movement the Javelin Board assist provides. I did myself wait. I'll starting party when I did a pivot. You Bet from guest list dot H do party foul. I put this into board of how cloud back then the fuck are you doing run and whatnot. But it provided provided a structure so again remember this javelin dot com it provided Structure over how I do my experiment. What type type of variables output and it doesn't necessarily mean I have to build product right right away because there's no such thing called the no code movement even? Can you provide a little bit of context of this this kind of a joke in the no code movement. Everyone's saying like okay. Would you like to revisit dream weaver. So so our weeks I mean so sure I think there is value in what No-ho is doing and if you just need something out how and you can't afford to get a deb deem at least they're no food movement has all disturbed will allow you to create your. Yeah Yeah Yeah. You're a minimum viable product. So that you have a weight attested so the goal of all this issue need to be able to pass this test it By talking to people with a rough prototype tested with the prototype APP we actually have averages go once you you are able to do it. Then you have a way to measure and that's what you put into your javelin but so the Javelin board basically is it allows you to understand win you need to pivot or persevere persevere. So here's the thing you need to tell yourself. What is the threshold so people ask me Paul Wendy? Up Pretty. I said it depends on your risk. Your risk profile. Some people a first timer Elon. Musk willing to bet on something that will succeed. One percent but not a lot of people is is intestinal. Four hundred million masks put all his money in savings into something that will succeed. went percent correct most people. I'm guessing there if the idea is seven or eight percent. Then they were going to support that. That's why the athletes are missing most aveline budge. You say right you put seven seven the lower so now intestate you say if seven people get get this response from seven people Dan I persevere. Yeah but you have to be if it six no. It's not worth it. Yeah because if you don't then you're being dishonest with yourself because that's the seven out of ten represents your own risk profile. Yes what happens is if you continue doing that and you have a very very complicated APP already testing it somewhere along down the road. The risk profile will kick you in your area. Oh yeah because you realize. I don't WanNa do this anymore. Well remember you said you're only continue when you have a now six tonight and the you know the feeling feeling in your stomach and do this anymore. I think so risky. Where did that come from because he did? Not You know. Honor your commitment to yourself by the Javelin aveline buoyed by saying. I only do this if I do. Seven out of ten so if you go back to digest it will it will allow it to either. Who who your customer is? Yes or solution. What problem they solution so member? That's the other thing most people who do the Javelin Boyd. If they do two things I'm trying to solve then they get messed up so you need to start somewhere. What is the problem then? Then in deep dive either it over that once you figure out what the the problem in the the customer customer first and then what is their problem in. What is their solution? Then what they do issue dispute over those things one aspect at the time you only pay but either the customer the problem and the solution never the things they get all these you know these confuse panic as they could go and then you look at the Javelin. Actually we did two things. You're like so he's a little bit. You need to be a little bit disciplined about it but I think it will. It will help a lot of startups in the practice. gooding Devlin's free yes. There so walked through to this and by the way that walk through is going to be in dot com in the shadows of this episode. So if you like what the hell are you guys talking about. Don't worry we got you. It's going to be there and and the other one also give down to your once you have a we have an APP and you're ready testing. It can go a little bit more complicated. There is a tool the tool box. The discipline enterpreneur to food box. Okay now let's take our quick and when we come back let's talk about the big D. Okay Okay let's talk about that more after the break. Hey guys it's a brand new season and I want to share you another brand new lesson that I learned through my ten years of hustling as a startup founder. You see one of the biggest mistakes that early stage start of founders usually do is creating a product that they have invalidated and allocating resources basin hypothesis that they have in tested in Oregon. I've made this mistake several times as well. I remember back in my first startup called party foul. I invested all my life savings to developing a web safe with the developers that I hired without validating anything and guess what happened wind. Yup it did not work and now I was stuck with a website that nobody wanted to used and I did not have the resources edit the site in add more features church people actually care about. Luckily there are a lot of sites now and resources that you can use to not make the mistake and one of them is tag cash rush. The beauty of US had cash. It's already an existing platform that you can just replicate especially if you have a Fintech play and you want to build on the blockchain. See if you need. impeaches posits spending charging transferring disbursements. And all the way to enjoy the money you can use that cash to now. Validate your ideas. It's very fast The cool thing is Tad gashes actually looking for startups the support especially those ones that support assert them community one perfect a big example is society eight Brin before they used to write checks for all their merchants at least support but now they do that automatically with an attack cash APP that they have and and also they were now able to scale to over two dozen locations. If you're interested do start using tag gash inner startup. Just go triple W. dot hustle share dot com slash tag cash and Philip the form and tell us how are you gonNA use tad cash to build your own Super App for your startup so again. That's hustle shared dot com slash tat Gash. And you'll never know you just might get your funding there too. Hey hustlers let's take a quick break to discuss one very valuable expensive lessons kids that I have learned through journeys founder. You see back when I built my nightlife APP called Party file. I chose to be frugal at the wrong things. Things allocated my very limited resources on things like Dev work without taking into consideration. How users will use our APP when we launch and I was so enamored with the idea that once I got the APP out in the APP store and people started downloading? I won't have any problems was any more so wrong because it's already hard and super expensive to acquire users to use your MVP and it's even more expensive to keep users in using an APP that crashes because you chose to use the wrong service now. Luckily there's a solution to this problem. That will I'm not break the bank which is aws the beauty about aws. Is this not just. 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Master your name on on your socials. Israel's not anymore at page man. That's okay all right Speech Mana Speights Spelled S. speech man. Okay so Paul. Before the break you talked talked about the toolbox. I've never heard of this because I've been using javelin and I didn't do that. And there's one thing about javelin that you can set already rob prior The risk threshold. I remember the call. It a minimum success criteria right. What if so basically Lee just again? Summarize what Paul said right if your credit creating experiment guys remember. It's an experiment is a hypotheses. It's not yet a fat. It's not validated validated. You're missing and experiment. Validate your be your jewelry. Jewelry Right Basically right create like I if I do this. If X X I need to hit five out of ten do that. Then there's three types of things you need to do. There's presell forget the other two but these are the experiments you need to do however this one common denominator they you need to do through validate it. It's one it's called getting out of the building. Yes you need to get out of the bride. You cannot solve a fucking experiment by being on your fucking desk. You need talk the real users so if you're shy I'm sorry you need to get out of the building because if you're not gonNA get real feedback Bra you're just you're here again. Double Downing on partisans that's doomed to fail and whatnot now indeed toolbox. What does the structure of that? So let's go back to The javelin right so you don't go out of the building this athlete very good test of who you need to be with the elect during the you're saying like who do I need to be with the thing is if your friends are potential go founders. Don't even go out with you. That's a very good test who you need to be. That means. They're probably not interested in the problem. Is that because they don't like you but they probably wanna solve something correct else right the other thing is you need to normalize the minimum stuff there scrape beer. Yeah I mean if you're if you're a risk profile Oh file six over ten and your co founders seven have been You can't go with the idea that six out of thin right. Why because eventually down the road? Your your CO founder. Who has who has stolen okay? We'll walk away from you. You knew that from from the start right for an even at the start of your javelin it's GonNa get messed up very fast writer so once once you've done the the S. and you're really confident you rated over the problem the costumer the solution and you can have a very good idea. Then you can go to. The BASSETT needed to box was designed by bill. I'll let he has a book called Painting Four steps of discipline in reputation and basically alleged site. It's three in basically you go to Elec twenty four questions and basically all you need to do is go through it and and make sure everything is so it's questions like that target addressable. Who's your competitor God thing checklists precision checkless and everything is those are the things that investors investors should probably ask so so now I actually use this remember you had expands on associated? Yes saw shot up Josh and David it'd be a made it. My aided like my barrier to entry so to speak when people ask me. Hey Paul can in your mentor. Me I said the next two weeks and I said man if you're not even I'm willing to do something which is actually for free. I'll start using that Roy D. it will show it to me. Okay well yes because because now you have talking points so the good thing is now in now when you are talking to potential founders got it are you trying to get mentors this our investors data. You can use all the answers in the toolbox a- a- stocking brains right and the thing is some of the questions questions questions like who are you compared to this you know when you go to pitch in the compare and we know he never even talking do their homework or even ask that question themselves really say oh costume. We're we're one of behind the only one who thought of this. But this in a way it's like precluding question question right. Yeah it's like it's it's like Is that going into an investor meeting very very prepared so three guys it's three. It's it's abusive several times in anything. It makes people more insightful about stuff and one of the things once you go there something she realized. I don't WanNa do this anymore. These delays you yourself your yeah remember. I had a conversation like there was this Toria startup and it was gonna hit the dog so it's going to be up so they were looking at different things and so why don't you do this. And they realize the time I'm west to small so you know like you know like the Linda Evangelista thing I won't wake up for less than ten million dollars at a certain point. You need to ask yourself I have. What's your Linda? EVANGELISTA amount right. I mean what. What amount of money are you into a war in if you ask yourself that question the toolbox right this time so small like sure l.? Make Twenty thirty business and land with this. I mean you could probably we do something that you really like. That makes a lot more money for you and you'll be happier rather than do something that you know yourself or for different people have different But that's the thing you need to ask those questions because otherwise you'll be demotivated along the way and they said the problem with this is a small market. This is something I want to solve. Rate or or the people being described them in a right maybe the competitor styled start the. I'm better off doing something. Where no one is there like a blue ocean strategy correct and that's basically what it is because if it's too saturated did and you're one of million and you're going after a fucking million annoy then in the perfect world you're going to get one customer each and it's not gonNA be unless you're convinced that do will actually disrupt everywhere? I think like when you did by doing it probably someone could there was but I guess connection. They didn't have your magic's we if you think you have that special thing go for it. And that's the thing like who do you WanNa go with right. These are people when you say. Hey let's go and they go with you. If if this let's go let's go out. Go out into it did you did not have the same risk profile with you. Then this very good to be a good thing is you can find this free free incorporation you don't have to give them equity a couple episodes ago Men in Nava made of one expert said this that you know She he's shouldn't have incorporated with the people she met during startup weekend. Only Yup as co-founders if the I had she known that Oh so this shit happens that I there he even. If you give it your product you also give it your team because not everybody is going to be a fit and even an leader being for example you. Everything went well for two years but eventually people grew out of the the the whole being the also the team. Okay nope all I wanNa Site Cer- certain examples. I'm pretty sure there is the reason why you're here. Because I don't know anybody who who knows how many startups as you do in Deep Doo Doo. You've talked a lot of then. People will gravitate towards you for for advice give me a perfect example of a startup death successful now or otherwise Here in the Philippines or use. What you've seen that was able to validate their problem? Them right every other solution right away to there. And what did they do to get that done. I think I mean like we talked about expense. Yeah let's talk about a sauce holiday when when you think about it with the competitors study most of their competitors I is in good logistics and and you know because that's the secret sauce right meaning. They're what they're doing is they're creating. API from the front and the website to the delivery and we know this API management for medical before so doing that. Interface is brutal. That's very hard if you do it. And that because you're talking to another company and you're integrating so it's things that also delivery from decide and then you're integrating getting it to delivery and let's say minimum ten thousand. SKU's imagine the the patients you need the patience of job neck so most of the ones experts was able to do it for four so so that means the found their market right meaning. They knew they knew the pain. Point was based on the competitors alone that there weren't enough people doing the Integration League region. Got It and that was a bit for always you know from the website from ad from check out all the way to the logistics. It's mine would in. Most people is Manuel in the middle of this call it a monkey monkey in a battleship guy is doing this manland. Wizard of Oz. Aw that's what scraping the error. So the key is to automate that. But that's the thing how many people are willing to automate that. So one integration with one logistic SPINA. It's Brooke ready because each logistic by different. So here's who. Who Do you bite me? I didn't do that so when I look at saying well enough to do this. There's probably people who are willing to pay for this so basically just dumb it down for those people who understand what an API is think of evaded like a it's like a USB connector is like the USB cable right some people have square USB cable. Some people have a triangle one. You're a cable should be able to fit everything. Yes like a Swiss knife right because if that doesn't connect to each other and that's and that's where they were able to validate that okayed. Our competitors actually not logistics competitor's don't believe the middle game even after you check out somehow some way. Some percents percent is gonNA manually process that order in the middle of nowhere and give it to the logistic buckner for delivery so that out and delays place. It's very very very this. Other thing like I tell people if you have the intestinal fortitude for it. You should at least try to do something very hide because then then it creates a moat so for example like what coins dead in. Sei Did all these people in encrypt. Like what they were doing west very hard leg if you did any fear you lead a bitcoin wallet. All that stuff engineering wise is a very hard so the very in fact even tried tried to do that. If you're the first or the second you have a stake in the eco-system I think in the case of experience. The only ones doing support logistics play and in fact. They're the only ones one of the few that does the APA so that creates a a motive for them. Got It and that dude. It's going to be hard for any new player to catch up. And that's that's what good businesses do. Screw those those people like. Yeah you but you're monopoly. People don't become monopolies by accident money monopoly. That's one obsolete you're the only you're the only buyer for it correct because they're the only one who had the balls actually to solve that problem so again like for example. I guess I mean I mean grab for heat on them. All you want for being a monopoly right now the way it seems but do deport in the work to be actually. I don't consider them as a monopoly they can. They're the last asks survivor. That actually figure out the biggest problem of the mall maybe Maybe another example. Be Quick. Wear Okay so how did ray refund dealer who this week wears. Quick wired solution was there was a lot of Oil WSB wanted to pay for real estate. You know you buy property in the Philippines and they didn't get this at first biggest day. We're trying to do something different totally therefore so but then but when you answer the I I used to be outside the country for like eight years so I used to live in Afghanistan. Holy Shit this by so what ending money across boy. They're under nine hundred ninety. He's having sending money towards the Philippines very hard problem right. And if you're sending a large amount of money for your real estate payments is going to hurt a lot right and and I think what they realized was once they get they got the we call it the first miracle right once you have your first America Wendy got the MCAA think once they got there first Developer Company. You know real estate net software and then it's just a matter of a duplicating indicating that sales process though everyone and the. Here's the thing once you do that. The Real Estate Company doesn't really need somebody the right because as long as you solve that problem well yes that's an example of a very good pivot DP and then they relationship no one ever now. No one knows the weird thing is. There's so many people in Fintech but no one wants to do that. And that this probably a few other real estate state companies like I know this someone who has to his father hassle and he has his own and they're not even inquire guys right. There's room for one or two more players but higher executed so well and validated. So well that nobody's it's GonNa be hard to penetrate it right or if there are it's not even close like what they can do because they've created such big moat that if you fall into those traps the big require crocodile. We'll eat you now under flipside ball before we end this. This really interesting you me an example of a startup yep that validated an MVP. Then they didn't do it maybe you're familiar with Merge commit with James Currency. Okay so what he realized was and I was trying to convince him to lack only a bitcoin only platform. Because everything is there like lakeway top route would likely metric right but he was doing it on. I think multiple currency and at one point. He really had the product right yeah. He was making a lot of traction. In fact There was a few entities who wanted to get solutions in exchanges in our starting to him but not realize was no when they looked at this blog. I think Lincoln said he had so much difficulty as a founder that he decided to quit what he was doing in Mexico met and decided to do the productivity suite that would enable founder to actually do stuff that really need to So inside so I could do this but this is so hard and I don't have the list to do this so he basic and maybe he looked at the crypto and said Oh I have the bitcoin platforms move pulling a very fast. I didn't realize what am building is not going to catch up very fast and I'm going to build from scratch so realize what what founders like him after de needed is a productivity suite that will allow finally. We're just gonNA they realize that. Wow if you finish what we were presidents making man you love interviewing him here and he will be here on that later light winds and so that's an example where he realized that the problem was he knew it was time for him to give up and move into to an entirely different ecosystem and problem solve that and one thing I liked about in just a little bit sidestep here is he also came clean that he fucked up yeah. Dan is so brave of him to do and posted it public. I did it myself. I didn't post it. Someone fucking actually know who it is Christian Doug the factors that's lack factors. Okay so now I know right. Remember that that that that eulogy I wrote it didn't have the balls to share that he had the ball so share his fuck up and it's just a matter of time until he bounces up. So James if you're listening to this keep gone Love what you do. And normally those Morris statistically the most successful founders are those who are doing their second one. Because we've talk before insight so Meta because he's actually creating he started up a secret aiding the tool that will enable a new founder which was him to be. My success will be having to us. I don't know what that is but debts out. Just the inside is amazing right. He you said I realize I should this tool that I should've built but here's the thing. He wouldn't be building the tool. Now if he didn't like mess up the first baronet right right but this experience to to actually give him the insight for for his next style at all right last question. Let's go that extreme. How do you know so if it's not an idea worth pursuing anymore because some people yeah? Let's keep pushing hustle hustle hard. We'd never give up but there is an ex. There are just ideas that no. It's dead in the water on do that anymore. It doesn't make sense. What would you advise? Those people were stuck in that because some sometimes pushing something doesn't work only just causes you more more and more trouble and it's all right to just step back that I I quit. Let's let's let's and learn from this whatever. I read an essay by Paul Graham before when he said if you're doing something else start up then it's done gatty say well well I'm GonNa do my startup but I'm going to NBA. I'M GONNA do my startup but oh I'm GONNA be an insurance agent. Once you add something to that is you had done. Because we all know highest either man is GonNa consume you. You wouldn't have a social life right. Say you're doing on top of that. You're probably really lending a Zombie. started any it for me. I understand why some people like don't WanNa kill their start up because well they're trying to figure out what they're GONNA do next. They wanted to be able to tell people that they're stealing this style. Because you know Philippines right. Yeah what are you doing so me like I it just early retirement. What are you doing? So if he's like labels yeah is it. I'm not doing anything I'm semi. What does it mean so now Dick Spain but if we just tell them on I'm starting a new? VC Von Yeah. I'm doing an accelerator. I'm I'm thinking some people really understood enough. They just doin' closeness that up because it's a very good place holder. Yeah until they figure out what to do next. But if you're we're doing that's the test if you're doing anything other than your startup then you're probably redone correct. And here's the thing a little caveat. Don't take that but Don't don't take that super literally. If you're starting out. Make sure when we have to double down your your startup `priority. Yeah that doesn't make that doesn't mean that you don't do anything else when I'm seeing is for example I I did Chap Chap what was my number number one priority Dow was if you push comes to shove I would drop everything for that however I had to do some shit on decide to survive but at the end of the day not my priority is my startup. Okay but I guess Paul would see what we're seeing here that if your startup is the second thing now yes if I'm a C- a math teacher again. No no disrespect. I'm just throwing out random shit in here Math teacher and startup founder. Just because you want to stroke your Eagle and you don't want to let go of a startup that didn't push through it's best to just cut cut the losses setback. Be At at peace with yourself. Write it down compli learn from it try it again like half of the time. You're prioritizing something else then yes you can arm advisors do something like what happened to James Right like he decided to build the startup on what he thought he needed. So if you're a math teacher you probably Louis WanNa do like a plug in or whatever like do something that will help you. Samat Beecher. Do Modal we'll help you. If that's what you're passionate about that's what you really WanNa wake up doing everyday. This year Linda Evangelista thing then build your startup based on what you're passionate about. Got It all right Paul. Unfortunately we ran out of time but Paul before we let you go if the want want to seek your advice but he still Hasley out there. How do people find? You made the open. A speech men B. N. Linkin Park and facebook. Baldomero be eight in this message. Me I'm more than help anyone knew there you go. And he is the Fountain of Start Up Knowledge. This guy has been here longer than I have. But that's not disrespect because he comes with legit and he comes in rock. He doesn't bullshit with you right and that's why here and the third of Hustle again. Paul thank you very much all right and I'll see. Yeah next playbook.

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De-colonizing Beauty Standards, Stella Immanuel, Racism in a Pink Cadillac

"Right now on ear wolf NBA Legend Kenny the Jet Smith Joins Edgar NJIT'S ON A new culture kings to talk about what it's like in the NBA bubble for more follow. On social, media happy listening. Oh my God. There's a baby. High every wina. I can't believe there's a baby. I. Know Baby and a mother. There's a baby a baby in this bar. We didn't we? We wasn't GonNa time had a baby. One of the shows you remember in Chicago we did. Yeah. Hope that that child has been removed from that parent because that is disgusting and I'll also say this. I'm a little ground few ground rules Aaron, you don't mind. Yeah, go. No cussing. No threat. No nudity. No threats of. Signing me up for. Headlining at the catskills. Might not be able to avoid it. How dare you Erin? I just had this done by Vidal Sassoon. It's very n o the only the only saloon open for quarantine right now, I would love by the way if you WanNa comment any suggestions for what this week's name is because I've been having trouble naming this when which is why I never gave it away so. Yeah. Dream is a good one someone just suggested. It is sort of like a flat white maybe. White. That's Your nickname is flat white. God. Thank, you guys so much for being here and user donating absolutely we. We just actually Aaron just sent over we have the receipts. France for confirmed she just sent over the money. We're GONNA, post the receipt online but. I didn't know this, but Brian does because he's wealthy you cannot take debit card and donate twenty three thousand dollars with it on a website and you can't they won't let you do it. So if you're big spender you, you've got to have some other kind of card. You know yeah that's why when it's so funny because when you're this wealthy. They tell you that your debit card doesn't have a limit. and. So I spent like light yesterday spent like forty, five, million dollars on. crabcakes that I heard were delicious. So then By the time to spend that kind of money while they're expensive because they use Panko instead of saltines in the medics. SALTINES. I do Ritz crackers on casseroles. I already done did that with my life you'll never understand the life of the rich because the Ritz are for the rich. That's why they said putting on the Ritz because you put it on your castles whether you're wealthy. Correct. Should we intro the show errands for coming? We hope you enjoy it. We're going to hop right into it and we're going to do a Q. and A. after no paying high moment central Bryan Safi Drugs. Aaron Gibson and this is throwing shade issues lgbt shoes pop culture. We are not alone Kenya handle it. This is what people need to understand the newest picks up said. there. Are Hundreds. Less people watching our every new. It's shocking and you know what intimate moves 'cause you're in your bedroom and I'm in my closet. This is my dollhouse but yeah sorry I'm in the bedroom of the dollhouse. Why Wiser? Your dollhouse team is West Elm. Sorry Crate and barrel whatever. Happens Pottery Barn. Aaron. Aldo's places have very distinct logs and I actually don't appreciate you. ADRI modern lamps. I actually. To Walk you know what? I think it should be called CB to. It's like this. What do they call? We'd CD right. To isn't we'd see. But what if they call? CBD You know yeah they call read CBD. Different substances. Oh. Yeah. Hit Hickama. What is it? THC NGOs. Lee. And CBD yeah. Those are the two different ingredients of we'd. Like if I was to make we'd. Put those things together sure now, how how was your? We do want to ask you about your whole. Why Because my toilet was possessed this weekend. Oh yeah, and also the shirts that we got. I got a shirt that says me about my butthole. So if you see me in the You, want me to show it to you. Yeah. I mean I have one now but JOE. Told you have it on now I gave to my dad. Has Anyone asked him yet? I. I wouldn't be where the VA hospital for his team. Oh. Okay. Let me get it. Hang on. You should get every see the also the nerve BRIANCON on, but the nerve that they had to make pink is truly upsetting. Oh see it's under his bed. It's a secret. Why is it under your bed? I can you buy drainers? Streams. Should've worn it. It's why do they? Why do they need peers? That's what it's all because it's a dare. No my toilet was possessed the speaking. In fact, I texted Erin in a tizzy about it because. We have we have a packed and whenever there's plumbing problems, we text each other this toilet would not listen to reason it kept flushing over and over again, it wouldn't stop. I had to turn off the water I ended up calling nine one, one plumbing. That funny. That's the name. Yeah but. Also this is a plug for nine months. If you haven't watched, this is the time it's on billable on. Hulu and. This week in it, I do need a couple episodes I. Don't know. Did they have like a hair story? Ahead. Wear a wig that covers this that looks more like my hair but this is my characters like a rock of yeah. Okay. Like you could take the wig off and have another wig exactly but I don't listen. I'm not doubling down I mean the odds are in my favorite right now. So yeah, I love the hunger games. How was your weekend? Have we I mean I guess fine I duNno I. I told all I was like. I don't know how we're GONNA have weekend, but we have to because my brain. Monday morning. Doesn't. Cooperate. Every word is wrong. I make bad coffee. Do you make differently on. Mondays. I just make it. All fucking sloppy. Okay. So I have a What's it? WHAT'S THE HOURGLASS? The the perfect shape for a woman Our checks. Timer Oh. Okay. So you have to like you should really slowly pour it over arouse it can feel to it can taste too acidy and sometimes on morning I just dumped the whole thing of water. Yeah Dump. It's a dump cake never made a dump cake. No but I you have correct. No not really I've made the Jenny. Jones chocolate cake, which is really I've never made the dump cake wait by the way if you have some guest ideas for groceries, Jenny Jones is up on the top of it Oh. Yeah. Groceries free coming. Monday free for in the throwing shade feet so. Here, it's all free. So this weekend I went to I went to the beach. La. Beach. And I may. I don't know I don't what's real anymore. And I didn't go this weekend. I actually went yesterday. So Mondays are a pretty good way to go and I walked through Palisades Park and I sat people weren't wearing masks. Weren't. which is great because at least they're not here's the other thing is fucked. Those guys because I, assume they're dudes but those are those are the same people who wear Bain Masks. Pre Cova did 'cause they're like, oh, the air here's air-cooled is really bad which they're not wrong. They weren't in those masks and all of a sudden they're why they don't want wear masks. I really actually mean statement try to please a runner. See how that goes for you they they cannot be pleased. They're always setting new goals, new things about miles and steps and all the rest you cannot do it. It just doesn't work Oh, Aaron should we have seen? Him Hi Everyone. Sake he for Sam will you tell everyone this story of the color of your wall sure. I went into the Sherwin Williams, store the picture of Jackie O on my phone and a green dress and I said, can you match this and the guy behind the counter say Yup. Then he then he later gave me his phone number and asked me if I like to party. Oh for like a painting party or like a Painting Party Yeah Oh sometimes, I'll stay up until just six in the morning just painting it out do remember what the name of the color is shit. No I don't. I'm sorry. All right. I think it's called a nasty pussy lips right. I think you're right. That would explain why he asked me if I wanted to get own. Asti. There's a lot of jokes that I laugh at and t knock knock who's there. But here comes the clown whatever I think. Yeah. That's laid. Is this respect? To on so many levels while we're not going to do is make fun of Jackie O. You're right. She did a lot of good things she just. Why she do she existed now's about it should public assault perform right in the White House. She. Married. Twice for money. I think the second time was also very Calculating. I'm sure. Chelsea Jerry Jackie O's marriages. Chelsea, our new producer. I thought that she tried to leave the Kennedys Bader out to stay with him. Oh that would make I know she had a ton of fares in the white when they were married. So that's what happened is like she tried before he was president cheat she tried to leave and the family of like the optics are too bad. We'll pay you to stay. Which? I actually got out of that pretty soon thereafter. She did and I'll see you're saying much more tragic Chelsea I, get it. We know who killed JFK was Jackie is that what you're saying? But I don't know what it was a very difficult job for her because she was literally all the footage sitting next to him. So it was I don't know how she. Hopper Shit. Yes she's a real dark. down. I have. No. Doubt. The Emerald dresses called Grassy knoll. No. This is. Not what I wanted well, the good news is. Everyone got to meet San and Chelsea and we've got got real quickly shoes today. So we can get to the Q. and say hi to everybody. And I don't know you want to get into it. I'd love to let's get into some shoes. Honey I don't know. You know what? That's a good word for what I'm about to say because I'll tell you why. Honey I used to treat off. When I think of honey I think of luxuria luxury luxury is luxury. And I think I deserve especially if it's really good. Nice. Honey Connie rich honey. Here's the crazy thing for what I'm about to tell you you even have to be rich to get this product that makes you feel like you are inverse cy. And not as a guest as a as a dweller. Legally I is always known for their toilets why people go there? All I'm saying is it I felt like I was in a high rise in I don't even know. A somewhere really nice. Should I just get to the point? No I like this go figure out where is nice right now nowhere. This is what I want to say an empty four seasons Aaron. I gotta be. Day. No. Day But day. I got as identify. And honey. 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Brand of bummer the day after ecstasy Aaron. All those things. 'cause. The. Massive pressure. Yeah get Brian told me. Everyone's told me. Hey. Can you not be so angry and I realized that my rage pupils have blinded me to something we should be celebrating right now. There's actually one disease that we have a radical added. And it is the life destroying Eurocentric beauty standards. We. Have found a cure and it's called being in quarantine and fucks totally running out. L. I. So let me just talk about what Eurocentric beauty standards are, and then I'm going to tell you how literally nobody cares anymore. Except for the people selling products. And people in charge who are using it as a tool of oppression. But okay. So colonialism lingers in the beauty industry like a heavy wet brisket Fart. And Brian you and I are. From the South we know we know we've been through the barbecue and we have whistled in the wind after. Defend and here's a fantastic example of how. These he's Eurocentric beauty standards show themselves in various vary like subconscious ways. There's this experiment called the Clark Doll Experiment and I, let me just clear something up. This is not the dull that Marie Osmond was hawking on QVC. Have you by the way, I? Know you're interested Brian, but on on. Ebay. All the dolls are available right now. Oh I don't doubt it. I am actually shocked that Ebay is still available I. Don't remember the last person who bought I think People still. Ebay because what be recently? which is all fucked up thing because it's like, I don't i. don't know what percentage is going to Peter I don't know who you know all these monsters who are getting money. All I know is that there's a nice lady in Florida. who had matching green vintage French. Like a farmhouse classes because I bought six year at a at a thrift store and I was like I broke down and it was the only place I could get was on Ebay you know this kind of story. Yeah. ebay is. Out of it is really a tremendous. I read 'cause I know I don't have it sold you on these Dole's yet to read some of the ones that are available and then I'll get back to the week. Okay there's a there's A. The. Most Popular Dole from is the adorable and she has different outfits. So the one that I saw that was the most sold one is called a a doorbell knowledgeable but nice. Which I think is a fun name for. A take on naughty mice. Baby. PORCELAIN BABY IN A. Sailor's outfit. Nautical overnight themes article but nice. There's another one called Little Putin. Happiness that's just one of their names coming up roses. Who Be Oh whol? Bill. But she doesn't remember her name I mean, that's actually a horrible thing for a doll not even know their own name. because. There's this little girl just girls who love Halloween? And they. Are. Dolls little girls who love Halloween having right and then of course. Elvis Presley. Elvis Presley as a baby but dresses adult Elvis Presley. Got Yup. None of this has anything to do with what I have to talk. About Brian I, we need we need the detour for a second. Okay so the Clark Doll experiment Was Not Adalbert by Marie Osmond experiment that was conducted I in nineteen thirty nine by married powerhouse mainly Phillips. May Meet Phipps, colored, and Kenneth Bancroft Clark who were black psychologists in pioneers of breaking down unconscious. Racial bias and they did a bunch of tests but this is one of the most popular. So what they did and you've probably seen this video this they handed children of all races. A black baby doll baby doll and they would ask the children's things like which from where they play with which one is nice. Which looks at which will looks like the just all the loaded shit and of course doesn't matter. Race everyone said the white baby doll looked the purest the goodest all that stuff. Right by the way that that that experiment was repeated in two thousand nine and they got the exact same results. Ya Cool Jobs America. Eurocentric beauty standard is that basically that that It's that on. Just, the basis level of white beautiful. And then also. For Women of all races, it has been shrunken turtleneck against our neck for way too long. The ideal beauty standard I mean, it's like American princess. It's Paltrow. It's thin noses blond hair skinny white it into an exclusive club that everyone's trying to fit into. So we can feel like we deserve to be in. This body or this planet or Pat People look at us. A bleacher hair while you're at it bleach your skin make your is bigger your nose smaller, your waist disappear and then maybe Society will accept you. It's a, it's a it's a hunger games with yourself. Right you the things that you lose or not equal to the things that you gain because let me tell you something if it. Is Standard. That everyone tries to achieve the when you achieve it. You still have nothing. Right, and actually you probably lost a few things Li lost me. There's no way you can't give part of your soul to give up that much of your physical. I. Like yeah and also that person that like Eurocentric beauty ideal like four of those people exist. Right right. It wasn't until Cobra that we all started saying Oh what if I didn't give a fuck about these stupid roles Because we could finally check out of like seek billboards all the time, commercials, media, messages, telling us that we were undeserving troll people. That we constantly needed to be do something do doing something to change yourself stuff that we didn't necessarily want to do, and if you wanted to get a quick taste of what you'd look like under the oppressive of the of the center days but you just don't have the time guess what all the snapchat builders that's what they do. They make your eyes bigger. They make your no smaller. They make you look like a European you know a fucking. The perfect duty basically. Sue Code Switch I think you're looking at the perfect beauty right now to be honest with you. I'll tell you something sometimes my is just burned because they are just your beauty is so. Fire and I'm still. And My. Dairy. whipped hair. Dole whip or dairy with. Dairy. Queen Presents. One I legitimately sank. Mice sobe dairy queen, but I haven't tested it. Think everything is but go ahead baby recently. No, but it's all. I, Dream about I would love to go but there's not an I can't. I don't even know where there is. I do think there's one in Orange County sorry to say. Okay they have chicken fried steak fingers. Sabr as head basketball fries and then I'm real sorry but I cannot be their. Soft serve. And Dixon chocolate. You can't beat the blizzard. You can't beat the dip. I agree what kind of could Get any finger I don't. WanNa. Get any flack for the one I get because he got an a for growing up and. What is it? either. This is my. and. Let me. Let me do it. Welcome to dairy queen may take your order. This is Phyllis I dunno I whatever anyway look I'm here. Sir I already know your masks go ahead. That's because I. Love to smoke and I sing along the chicks listen. I WANNA Blizzard Babe. And I want number one tropical. If you don't have that number to Hawaii and if you don't have that number three chocolate covered cherry and if you don't have those out. What's what in tropical? It's like Banana Coconuts Almond. Pine Pine Apple. Pie that's. Parsley. It's so good and enough. Great Yeah. We get so many like raised eyebrows when I would order it is I. Would I could find a soft serve machine for sale. By output in my house just read up like, Barbra streisand, did she tell Jeffrey to do that Lewis for tells she told Louis, something. She told him something like. He was like, what should I give my mom for Mother's Day and interview she goes up get one of those frozen yogurt machines that has three handles and it's like okay. You I am are Mars and. Those are the things. So if anyone was doubting whether or not, they were going to dairy queen orders on the show today. Doubts dispel. And then one time we drove through the drive through and I asked for a medium blizzard and the Lady said, my dad was taking me and the lady said, you know a medium is to twenty two and the smallest one, Ninety Nine and my dad looked at me and he goes we'll take the small. ABS devastated. Devastated. That is that is nerve. And then later he said, I only did that because I, wanted to make her happy because she seemed like she wanted to be helping me and I was like, oh My explain her. Don't like the list. Or China your whatever her name is. Okay. So code switch did which is NPR podcast dated a fantastic episode cold is beauty in the eyes of the colonizer of that is an excellent episode you should. You should definitely listen to that that is a black point of view an but I what I want to do today is share the beauty routine that I put in my cheating ex-husband's car and set it on fire and walked away. And I've noticed that other people online doing these things to and I wanted I want to kind of go down the list and see if there's anybody who's doing the same thing. So number one look underarm here. It is all there. I have not shaved since. March. I cannot tell you this Brian and when I see you, I'll let you but it is so soft. Up, and finally it is like a I could break it or put it in a French twist. Well, then why the fuck having you because you've been wasting everyone's down. Senior on I could put borate. Senate. Be Put banana clip it would probably hurt but it wouldn't hurt as much as what I shaved. I had tiny needle stabbing my own skin. Well that's. The reasonable user with a razor bankrupt. Imagine. Our face. Day After shaving folded in on itself in writing. Together. New that's no. That was my life since I was twelve and it is over. This is a luxuriance Shit Brown colored underarm hair and I am so happy to have. It really sounds stunning. There are ciswomen online with full mustaches in here for it like just stop waxing and I. I think they're fucking beautiful and I think the reason. That we do all this shit is not because we want to is because we're worried other people are gonNA just we're not GONNA fit in look unprofessional the stuff but guess what? People are going to do that anyway. It does even matter if you're following all these stupid rules people look at you and go you're not getting that right in doing that right so fuck it all. Let your peeves grow out. And throw up to your girl. Rapunzel. Let her down because why are we always making the victim do the work Truly, people should be throwing their hair up to Rapunzel. She shouldn't have to first of all you. Have to do all that work for that. Prince who's going to hurt her head? Anyway he climbs up. Oh, it shooting it honestly know him. You know what I mean and she's the one who needs to get down. Why does he need to even get up there? Also build a ladder asshole. Are, just bring one. Or use, your white fucking SIS. Male privilege to knock on the Goddamn door and say, I'm here to use my right as a white man who's entitled to everything to rescue this person. You're ninety. I doing it all. What's his name I? Even have a name I know she's Rapunzel. Ends, his name is the prentice. Air This is where I really differ how interesting that the Prince and the story isn't given a name. He's just. A guy who could be anyone? So let's not name him. Isn't that Nice? How do we know he's named Randall what a specific name for a beautifully drawn out character? So I actually think you are right. You are right. It is we need to aggressively attack the way men have been portrayed very tales. How do we know he's an actual prince? They didn't have driver's licenses then. I, don't think it would say that on your license. And I think he's a pretty mostly driven the other day in the grocery store that the Loyd there was a tabloid that said Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth have never been more in love and then right under that the tabloid said a press Andrew Prince Andrew near arrest and I'm like I mean these the it's just the two best stories together I wish. I. Could Find it but I've got so many appointments I just I know you're so busy I know you're Google calendars. All Day long until basically. Appointments With Business Appointments All overseas now right? Because everyone's doing presume. Do Yes why call France and I say. Can you imagine what we could do with just a little bread and water and sugar? Which is why? Well. Make some I anything. Sweet. And they said Oh my God that's so funny and so then I call Japan and I'm like Isn't that funny. Previous conversation. Yeah I. Tell Them. I say whatever you could do and I say isn't that funny? There's more than one ocean it's the Atlantic and the Pacific and so then they say that you're right two oceans and I say your rice so they just humor you. Know they. Are Telling me the truth think. Why. Just like you call a lot and they pick up. They do like a mistake from. From, that point of view I guess from that point of view. Fine. I. Don't know if you've noticed this online speaking of stuff that I know you're only looking. The information on the royals but There are so many shaved heads right now. People. Fully. SHAPE. Okay. One instagram User Gabriella. Gabriel Garcia, said, as soon as the first cut was made I became relieved the weight I had given myself have beautiful hair. If you look up shaved head, the Google searches shaved not even joking. Women with. Long. Like. You know super fuck me hair. You know what? I mean just gone and never felt better the Google search for how to shave my head was up two hundred and seventy, seven percent quarantine which by the way you don't need to Google is very. It's the simplest thing you can do. I have shaved every old Mahir underneath like basically from here down I've got you know. commune on the bottom party up top. His my hair is grey now and I don't want to call it anymore and I want it to grow out one hundred percent gray. We'll. It's growing in grave very stylishly. Thanks very witchy. It looks really. No really looks like very, very cool. It's nice. You look look in that hairs looking rock man man. I did the math on just coloring my hair. Which I have done consistently, consistently consistency Consistently, since I was nineteen years old every single month I have been at Harris along. With driving and color applications I've spent over eight hundred hours minimum. Coloring. My Hair I've been Greece's twenty five. So that is not clear highlights if you do the math. I think I could have had six doctorates by now. Sure they're just sitting in a chair. Have it in. Being doctor. To doctorate in doctors. That is hysterical. That is good. Make sales are all down you know what's up? Feel good about one thing and that's existing in the world. The way we want to it's really it feels really really good. People out there who are like. By the way just a reminder during World War Two lipstick was deemed wartime necessity because it kept morale high. So we shouldn't demonize makeup to which I say where if you fucking what to, but it ain't nineteen, forty two were actually changing she at this time around I've worn a bra and six fucking days I don't know I. I don't know what it's like Brian to wear something on your body. That's constantly like I'm here I'm here a year. So years really does sound awful and annoying. It's terrible I. Honestly feel like I could fuck fucking fly. Between the drugs and the no bra. Rocking the makeup you don't mind. Well, I like. Here's the thing where it if you think it's fun. where it if you like if you think it's GonNa be like something you get something out of. I'm not wearing this for anybody else you know totally I'm I'm really shaving my face every morning just because it makes me feel like I'm on top of it. Do you know what I mean? It makes me feel good. That's. Okay. So like we We don't have the time to get into philosophical aspects of of makeup, but the routine of Of Aesthetics can also be a form of like. Depending on how your relationship is with control, it can be healthier not healthy, right? It can be therapeutic. I guess it can be there their eunuch or if you're overly controlling the situation you know and maybe you're doing you're you're spending three hours doing your hair makeup every day so Asked to be something that feels good for you. That's it. Do you like it do you like to have long curly banshee hair I don't anymore. So I shaved half of it up by hairdressing like four minutes I. I used to walk around the MOP head. I am so happy. I want also say. That only mentioned this one other article. To End Mara Altman did a piece for the New York Times and she spoke to a New York psychologist women's issue expert Karen Shapiro. Show. WHO said that Beauty Cup here's what the prediction is. Beauty companies know that we're not giving a fuck right now and so telescope head when we're back to better than normal, they are gonna come in with heavy handed techniques and bombard us with messaging. That is going to undermine the feeling of okay that we've now cultivated ourselves and how we feel good about their bodies and they're gonNA start eroding that so. Enjoy this time right now. When cove when there is a vaccine for Cohen get ready. Your eyeballs are going to beat bombarded with messages attacking your self esteem and your self worth. So you just grab your wall shaver you're gonNA comb out that underarm hair. Got Grab your belly fat and you're going to be a walking teflon. Sixteen inch 'cause they were veggies in that one. And you'RE GONNA say listen I'm coming out of quarantine looking however the fuck I want and you're GonNa gag on it. Sure. Is that it that Aaron do whatever you want Bryant Ryan been doing it for years with what I mean. We'll this wig. Swag look at however you want. Oh. Could, you leave this me one weeks debt later how would it have been? You had another wake under. I'll have to try. So, aware wear the rose pedals. Oh, there's the rose titles is this one? German DJ. Night Neil. This is a little German I was going to say that to this feels a little. German you also look like someone else that Liza. Your looks like dancing cousin Han someone said, Hans that's my hair in the morning who I love it and were rig Catholic. I don't know you know what or no wig I always have a cadillac. Maybe, I'll do this when I have this gray one too but I think it will wash me out with my grace shirt. To maybe I'll do that for the Cuban choice. Do it. was say that that absolutely joist away duet. Someone said I looked like a senator? You know what you're not wrong. I'd be like, no my wig looks end up looking like Republican asshole senators. It's very neat. Senator, it's all very Lindsey Graham just whatever lady as doing that night. Uncompromising senator someone wrote that is so good welcome to the stage. Uncompromising senator. Look I look for what I vote for in if you WanNa try to fool me. Go play ring around the Rosie somewhere else babe. I've never seen an impression of someone who's clearly wear heels. Did, I give you that illusion. It was. Like a casualness, you show that was like my heels are elevated. Thank you. In. A world with civil unrest and a global pandemic. person who can provide the insight and perspective we need. A dupe it's me. I know what you're thinking does she already have cast but no, you're thinking of everyone else h week of my new podcast full release. I'll talk to interesting smart people like Soledad O'Brien and Jilani Cobb. Please subscribe will join me every week full release with Samantha, B all new Tuesday's streaming on your favorite podcast platform. Okay. Well, a of quick heads First of all Arizona reversed its ban on gay adoption of of leading to same sex parents shot child bow they reversed it because not because they're good people now they reversed. Well they reverse because it was costing the city almost a million dollars a year it was because or the state because. The compromise was that the the no one in the government would handle the adoptions anymore they were outsource it and that outsourcing costing hundreds of thousands of dollars along with. Many kids not being placed in homes period. So they ended up reversing it because discriminating had a huge price tag there and regardless of it being a moral price tag and it had like an actual price tag and it was just too expensive for Arizona. So that's so. Predictable that they're like, oh, we have to do the right thing 'cause it's actually too expensive. Exactly. Yeah. So he was just really by a fluke that that happened but good news nonetheless, and they're already interviewing and hearing cases for same sex parents adopting, which is great because again, this hurt everybody this certainly heard same sex parents and this certainly her children in need of a home so. It's all settled but in a weird fucking loophole like. Way Not because anyone has advanced their brains any further in the government in Arizona. So that was great. Another thing that happened to day, which this'll be lifted by the time this comes out because obviously comes out Thursday but Donald trump junior was restricted on twitter from tweeting, which was great. It was the first time in. Donald trump junior actually has a very long history specifically twitter of being anti trans. He says really terrible things intimidates Trans Women on there. He also has made jokes about HIV on their he's like truly never forget that I forget who it was who said that he was Probably couldn't have colluded with Russia because and this was like someone in the trump. Administration because he was too stupid to so. That's what we're dealing with. Kimberly Guilfoil God or Remember Day that picture of. With. His speeds. That Swan Towel. was that him I don't I don't know why does rob kids took their wife? To fucking like romantic something something and had the hotel, make the towels indices. Rose pedals absolutely. That was him. There's no doubt about it in my mind tells WanNa be made into swans. No, they don't they WANNA be made into. Fans. They do they sometimes student like that? Okay. Talking about my fans. When I go to the beach I, make everyone make Tau look like someone listening to me. ooh. Takes hours it takes a long time but you know what I'm here to spend money and earn respect so. Did you just make that up. Yeah. Okay. I love it. Okay. So Donald trump is restricted because he posted a video uploaded video that was first published by Breitbart besides shed obviously, and it featured a doctor Her name is Stella Emmanuel. She's Huston and I she was making claims that masks are unnecessary and also that you know I don't know who has stopped sound maybe exactly do you know her? A Stella, Stella Stella my great grandma. Yeah. Well, anyway I agree. Totally be down for this clown shit she will be. You know what? She's a doctor. Your I hate to tell your grandma doctor. I don't know if she has a doctorate in Dr, but she is a doctor and family. She doesn't believe in masks and but she does thank God believe in hydrochloride hydrochloric to get rid of the virus, which is Great. So she also though is. that. My worst Dr in the entirety of all, my doctors have been in La and then also in Houston. No one of them was a woman who were wig dislike you Brian, her entire office was safari themed. She's my first therapist. She's to fall asleep during the sessions and she immediately put me on like the big like whatever the highest dose of Wellbutrin was. Okay. So the deal was stellar Emmanuel is. She's a Baptist minister. Come on. She previously along with the crazy toxic. Deadly covid nineteen Info she's spreading. She's also previously claimed that DNA is medical treatments that the government's. Sale that the government's by Reptilians and that scientists are making a vaccine to stop people from being religious. She is wildly homophobic. She fully believes in conversion therapy and She also believes that The agenda is destroying American families and homes and destroying the social fiber of America also, she thinks that gynecological problems are caused by people. Having, sex. In their dreams. With demons and witches. I wish that's how happens. People are this for demons fuck real. Good. I would think which is what demons to dislike. Both. Them. Annoying. Matt Demon one of the best that ever had. His grace, he really loves him in. how about them apples, missio? Remember that other movie he was Edward he was like I do. Yes on will hell. Hell. What else does he done? Nothing? I know he was in for a little bit. He was a magical pizza. He had like a little bit part man. What's magical pizza is Julia. Julia Roberts where she makes magical. A magical pizza for real. Yeah. He plays a kid in magical pizza. I had no idea. Yeah. Next time you watch that movie. Has. Really, fucked up power dynamic between a fully full adult teenager and they're in it's played for like isn't this romantic? Do you bring about. I haven't seen magical pizza in literally years. Well, there's an astrologer astrologer, a male astrologer who is like his wife's out of town. One of the girls goes over to baby sit and she's like Oh you're smart. I'm smart WanNa fuck outside. and. She's you know what? I mean. Typical astrologer. I. Think that's what we learned from. Okay. So Stella Manual really terrible. So the video so donald trump's account was suspended by twitter and facebook but by the way in the meantime, it was viewed millions of times because the president re tweeted this. About Sex and also about the Hydro Maya. Kline. Why does still have a medical license still will no one knows where she got it from by the way. I'll University of Phoenix. She I mean she's she's said like a few things about where she became a doctor but like nothing concrete like she won't say like the school or the city. uh-huh. So she's lying. I'm sure I mean she doesn't sound like a doctor. Okay this all leads me though to really destroy I wanted to focus on which is. Really Pretty Amazing and I'll tell you. It involves Mary Kay, which to me is the you're going to be involved in a pyramid scheme that's the one. Like. If were Mary. Kate. Not and Ashley No Mary Kay Bureau, Yeah Like Pink. Cadillac. As far as I'm concerned if you're GONNA, throw your money away, throw it at her because she's you know Shirley maclaine player. In a TV movie with Parker, Posey about makeup. Have you seen this movie? No what's it called? Makeup. The makeup Matt Myers has aired. You remember the name of it. Okay. See if you know and then. Call outlets you. I think it was called like. Makeup or you can ask her, she lives in Santa Fe. took. Just meet her at the Co op okay. and. He talked about someone who believes that alien DNA is absolutely big user medical procedures. Mcclain. Oh, she thought she was the. Absolutely. Hell on heels. Hell on. It was called Hell on heels encourage everyone to watch Ed Parker Posey and Shirley maclaine. Okay. In fact, watch it and then come back and I'll finish this. Okay. So Mary, Kay. Cut ties with their most successful saleswoman. One of the most successful Linda. Bergerson of Cedar Rapids Iowa. Linda. EVANGELISTA has been peddling Mary Kay products. Honestly Linda has been doing this and she quit her teaching job in the nineteen eighties to become a fulltime cosmetic saleswoman. Just friends me Linda Evangelista was a schoolteacher know Linda. Okay burgers. Okay so Linda was an ace at makeup sales. She get this she was one of the top sellers and Mary Kay where she won or earned. Gets, pink, cadillacs. To Up. Five more ten or. Thirty less. She? He we'll get this. This is the pulse of all of it. So apparently, you don't get the pink cadillacs, they're all leases. So in other words, Mary Kay covers the least for like two years. But then it's like we'll do want to buy the car after the lease isn't that Kweisi? He's thought the pink cadillacs were gifts. That is for sure something. You don't find out until you get there Ab. That's like when you win a game show in there by the way, all of this comes with a sixty percent of taxes and also we're not actually going to give you. The worst hotel room in line exactly I'll do like. Having no windows she was one of the company's top sellers and say, okay, the company uses the least program. So yeah, they they either turn over the keys after a couple of years or they have to buy out the lease such bullshit. She just basically got a new lease every year. Exactly and she loved it. She would say when I drove this, be Cadillac you go to a four way stop sign and people stop and look at you a little bit longer and then they all say is that I only think I believe that for a minute. Four way stop at three other people on the windows and say, is that really paint by the way the pink cadillacs don't look. Pink, they like Champagne. And then there's Linda cop out it's not like hot pink. Yeah. It needs to be like you evangeline what's her name Angeline I agree with the hopping corvette okay. But this pink Cadillac one I'm still. Wanted for paying cadillacs ended up leading to her complete demise. Because guess what? She was in one of her Mary Kay cars when she and her husband, Tom? Pulled over on the side of the street. And for absolutely no reason except they said, it was a protest started taking down black lives matter signs. And no one connected to Mary Kay except for the fact that she was driving a pink Cadillac. I would love for this and unsolved mysteries but the mystery resolved very quickly. What a eight, seven, six, five, three, five, three, three, what yeah. Yup. Shit odd acidy Yup to do that. Period I totally did you. It ain't your company car right to do it any car that was I mean I mean, for those kind of companies fairly progressive. No I know I think that's actually one of the good ones of the bad ones I. think like other if you're going to get involved in something like that. I think that's like. Sort of an okay Wanna again, all to a double d did the right thing. I mean they did cut ties with this woman but. The best we're seeing. That cabbie she said, she didn't do this. To be racist but to prove a point, which is what she didn't have an answer pass. So I think she how she selling lipsticks with that kind of logic. Couldn't agree more. Yes. She said she literally said she was like It was excuse me she said it was to send a message. That they asked to know what should she couldn't come up with anything. So do you know where she is? Will this happened in Grand Marais Minnesota? So she's like a midwestern Cadillac Wayne. Racist and so anyway, the images went viral people trying to find her and then finally Mary Kay idea her car and said, she's one of ours and they we issued at a really. A statement that really I couldn't really make anything of. The Golden Rule respect and they don there's The golden rules, respects and making others feel important our values founding values here at Mary Kay and are expected from every independent beauty consultant represents our brand after looking into the situation will be suffering a relationship with this individual they come come on a little stronger but I guess they wanted to make it some pretty or something well, I don't think Mary I mean Mary Kay and he's a real hard look at their foundation colors and see if they were you where they're coming down as far as like being inclusive by the way, her profile is still on their website even though they've sever ties with her so that could be easier to. We'll see what happens there but A. Really all that was just a Promo to watch hell on heels and also to congratulate Arizona and also congratulate twitter for and by the way facebook actually also took down Donald Trump. Junior. Post. which like really is meeting this. I. Mean you talk about the worst of capitalism that that's the organization They take down trump's if he's a retiree tweet this stuff. Yeah. I agree you know what I mean but maybe they wouldn't. They wouldn't take down trump because he didn't upload the video. That's why they targeted Donald trump junior so that he reached we know but apparently, that's not part of their. Rules is they can't do that to someone who re tweeted do we ever? I agree. I agree to. Their own nursing, your baby five inch. Yeah. I think there's just all afraid of like being on the wrong side as. They should be afraid to be on the right side of history. Yeah. They should. They should be afraid of being on the right side of history during your. Question. Where are you going to get your concealed now that married we obviously, you could still support Mary Kay but now that. Is Out of the game trim SPA. Baby. Hey everybody this Carlos this is Oscar and rice from the fantasy presents podcasts. Each week. 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A major metropolitan city one of the biggest in the world and just fucking roosters not my second bedroom door you know what I mean. Yup. But. You did just get chicken for your condo right for inside. I did yeah. Yeah I did they're great. They're constantly. You know flooding around and. Know, all toilet trained. Yes. As. By. Was Your toilet broken because he had feathers enough for my toilet. What's a girl to do feathers in my toilet? At. The. G. H. Says I. Love to so much anyway you can watch more live recordings in the future maybe we'll do this again absolutely not. No we would love to do it again. This was so fine. It's so encouraging to see to actually see people listening to it as the best. Speech flawless. Perfect I could not love this I love her more each and every day, and that's already a lot pitches. Get things done is asking we're going do Alaska Theresa's crossover. Anti Minute. It has been in the work no I. Feel like we decided that all the time we were pre covid ride, and I very much like we want to have people in the studio by now guess what like my underarm hair don't give a fuck no more. So we will make this happen. We will reach out to them, and then you know if everyone's cool with it will do. will do a good old fashioned. AFC. Soga. what's the difference between? Michelle Arvin says, what's the difference between Jewish brisket or it's in southern briskets fourth and I think I know the answer As, someone who was Jewish. I'm not Jewish but I had Jewish brisket because I used to be married to a Jewish I gave. US. Sure the me is the same the sauce it's there's a lot. More or less. Sure. Yeah, you get those really. Deep Dark Yeezy. Shirley. Rennie. So sexy. Okay Tony Doing Oh. Sorry. I don't even know who who's county. Talking about. Brian. This is Brian. I don't know. Sorry. Let Me Call Mondo. Allow I. Hit you think you are calling me at noon on a Wednesday. Hey Manoel's Tony. You know why she's never been better. She's caught. She's. Taken a bunch of Yoga straps tied them together and she's Tried to well, she's trying to swaying from here to Saint Petersburg Florida with the straps, but I keep telling her that is just way too far. You're never gonNA have enough straps for it. As seatbelts like a hands across America thing now with a tree swaying. My God. I gotta go my my Johnny's. Shelf. By. Sorry I. had. To go check on my manicurist she had a stroke anyway. Okay. What happened to big teeth? Small Mouth or any lunch or dinner. Recommendations meal recommendation. Out is now circle. Yeah. That's right. Yard heathers very busy. She did return recently though someone if yeah. Yeah. Forget she was busy answering phones. We would let listen we are dying to go on tour again. Do we just? You know how? This is it. This is it this tour this tour, but we are going to grocery stores and going to an Oldie for for the groceries coming up at never been doing all day. That's exciting. I wrote a Smith's who what is not Silversmith is just Smith's sure and I know for a fact, they sell firewood. For the. Brian do you think museum tour guys will be deliciously more bitter after the pandemic or more better both I mean the the as far as I'm concerned of a tour guide is more better. They're more better. All I care about is the bitterness of a tour guide. It's my favorite thing in the world. I mean, I've told the story about the when I went to the God Hearst Castle No. The illuminates Sacha No. In philly. Yeah I. Forget what it was called even. The race freemasons yes and then also at hearst castle when she kept accusing me of. If I believed in the twentieth at all, I would want a starbucks. She just accusing me of this. She was like I don't know how you would handle it all you'd want starbucks. Okay. Not. Wrong. I've been to starbucks in years. Okay. do you want to answer a question about your to? Yeah what's the question to a fellow New Condo? Yes. What design projects have you done? Oh, absolutely. Nothing or Not One, except I D- No really nothing. I mean furnished. I've heard things Yup. To the naked sleep one. Any tips on how to make a podcast funny enough. We actually have an entire episode dedicated to that. If you go to one of the first one, hundred episodes, just scroll through the titles and Mike how to make a podcast is in there. as Museum Front Desk Person He was laid off from one and recently returned to work at another I. Think I'm keeping it pretty bitter. Sweet. That's great. How is Sherman? He's great. He just got a haircut. He looks like Rough Lauren. Grimmer ruin sherline was called. Ralph Lauren. You know how I know Sherman was called crackers because I'm reminded of it by you monsters every cut down day. Called Ritz. That's true. But he he always puts on. Okay and the hostile on silly. Yes. I forgot about that guy who hated me oh? That's right. Okay. You he says been listening to Y'all since I was fifteen. Now twenty two how is a Q. W. O. C. I appreciate her politics become intersectional radical. How have your politics in comedy grows throughout the years? Great Question. I'm going to say that. I think for me. It's been a real testament to people emailing me and saying, Hey, you fucked up. In a nice way and we have discussions about it that's how I personally. I think been more aware of stuff is through. People. Letting. Me Know when I fuck up 'cause I appreciate that and and also I think now I don't know Brian how you feel about it but just being in a space. You just start absorbing more of the bullshit. Shit I also have to say for myself I think twenty sixteen was the thing I mean I've always been a little I I've worked on political campaigns ever since college and it's always been a big part of my life but. In two thousand sixteen is really what did for me because then it all of a sudden. involved like family even and like. Trying to find the line of what's right and what's family if that makes sense and that's been, the hardest growing pain is like really owning that because it's always been the thing that's kept me down is what will they think? Like that's vanished in a good way. And I also think it's I think it's really Good to remind. Other white people like. You know what you're racist. Whether or not you wouldn't admit it. Let's figure out a way to dismantle that shit dismantle yourself someone else now Ritz Ritz Anybody Ritz. Look I don't need to be provoked against someone else Jill wrote Brian is your electric bill under control in the new place Truly. Handle crackers and my time to get this remedied. Star's concern you've got the time. Erin. I'm not I'm not. I am actually not going there again. It was so I mean it truly. So upsetting. I can't. I can't even think about it. Any longer I really I don't. That's the fight. I don't have in everything else. I've got to go back there again. As you talked to what happened. Was the thousands of dollars. In for me by the ENTIRE HIS ENTIRE Buildings Electric Bill. took. Sagged and did every I got hired a private investigator. Brian, this is what? About your toxic masculinity. Talk to people about stuff when you're feeling like something's not right you know what I mean. When you're like, Hey, sh. Veteran your apartment. Into No, it's actually you know what? It's actually not funny. Sorry. Horrible. And I worked. This is what people don't understand. I worked so hard and you know what you know what I've understood. Who Screen to like what you do? They instigate fights with you in your own home. This is precisely. Sorry. You weren't even working at that time. And you're. You really are reminding me of the really the most wonderful time of my life. You are at well. We were having fewer drinking rose as far as I was concerned everything was great earned. What are you cooking in the kitchen? We'll do a little bit of groceries. Oh Deborah Madison recipes because I'm primarily vegetarian now and then so many beans or rice. So many getting this. Thing. I never got. You just produce your Gordo. Doesn't have the decency to move me up on the fucking list after all that I have done for them, which is fine because it's fair and democratic. But I'm getting my beats. Oh, native seeds is a great place to get beans and also means that you have never heard of like mortgage lifters. which are delicious large white needy beans survey called out. Because they're really cheap and they're big and fill you up their mortgage look they're gonNA take the stress off of money. The nays long story for another. Century. What are you? What are you making? I'm doing my buttermilk chicken and this is so easy. So Jamie. Oliver. ACID V of bath out fat he and I, don't know if that's the order forget. It's so easy. You just take your chicken. Rar. And then. You salted heavily and let it sit out for thirty minutes. Then you take two tablespoons of salt put it in a big giant Ziplock with two excuse me with two cups a- buttermilk and you let it sit for twenty hours. You pop that in at four twenty five for like. Forty, five, fifty minutes. It's unbelievable and I've been doing a rush chicken for a long time and this is the best one ever. You're the expert of it. Oh, by the way, there's a weird guys. So minorities salt fat acid heat. Thank you Michael. Yeah. One of the most amazing. Recipes for What's the rice that Iranian rice that's life seen? It's incredible. She bid on her show. Oh. My God. It's so crispy on the bottom. So crispy. Crunchy and all of that door there any new products you've loved someone was asking if there's a new grocery, there's a new fine. Oh While I'm currently so. Every Thing that we buy regularly and trying to replace with a black owned company. So right now, I'm auditioning black owned coffee roasters and I have not done with all the taste testing, but I will actually have a full report on groceries because. I kind of new to cough hot coffee. I used to be just like primarily primarily tea drinker. Some of this coffee is like out of this world the most delicious stuff. I've ever put in my avid tip. Your deck. Sure. It sounds crazy. A teaspoon of cocoa powder unsweetened. And then put in just a tiny bit of sugar or among food whatever you sweet and your shit with, and then a little bit cinnamon with the coffee. It is like and then if you do milk almond milk whatever. Curve. The whole pot. No No. No. Per like I do is copy. So it's one big glass. I put a teaspoon of her she's. And then I do Hershey's cocoa. Must Wrong with dad I just feel like it probably arsenic. Well all I know is that the kids love it. All right we should probably be winding down here Assault your ground someone gave a tip. Okay. All. Right. Well. Thank you guys have Hershey's use child labor? Sorry. Okay well, I knew there was something I did not know that why do you wonder if someone is coca recommended? Brian loves. Big Corporations. Have you heard? I actually. You. Know you're being hammered. I ended I. Want To know what it? Would be. So this is people just saw these comments it'd be. So this is a guy who overpays his electric. and. Also, a guy who loves big corporations and also Defense Lori Laughlin I, mean, this would be really bad for me on paper just everybody knows. And I don't defend Lori. Laughlin she's a monster I. AM feeling I'm feeling attacked plume in bloom for black own amazing coffee businesses in La Okay I'm on it i. can someone recommended Coq who can you use kick how I know that's I. Don't ever do that I don't do that I. Don't do that. It's gotta be processed. Not even kidding if anyone who at processed small batch. Organic. Go. It doesn't even have to be organic. You know what Brian I really I always in La because I have there have the bench roast I've heard of grossed. Okay. There you go. Its Dutch processed. The Dutch. The worst people the world. So I can't figure saying I can't buy anything of Dutch equal exchange cocoa and chocolate is Great Coco Camino was to get UNCROSSABLE 's. I'm. Not GonNA lie. You can make fun of all you want and I. Hope someone will back me up here. It's just. That there's a difference I've only had because if you catch them between frozen and thawed, it's the best experience of your life. What. Do you mean? UNCROSSABLE have figured something out I. Think. They're better than PB and J., and I'm not sure why it's been a long time since I've had one but I used to have them in like two thousand eight right after property passed and I remember this that if you caught them at the right moment between frozen thawed, they were delicious because they're like cold still. Yeah they're like chilled. So it's like a summer. It's like having a ice cream sandwich. Hey, thanks everyone for coming on. Gay Bashing. I mean, I really feel I truly feel attacked uncrossable through the reason I made it through pregnancy. What Ryan Whatever blind by our friend of his pregnant he starts. Eating uncrossable Zala sollidarity I do. Well I guess I'm. GonNa. Go Have A. COCO. Is. Over Party. Thanks for thanks for taking my tip and ruining my life. You're going to be a better person because of it I, love you I love you Sam I. Love You Chelsea I. Love Everybody. That you spend your time with us today and you're in your money with worship. Johnson couldn't be happier. We are so so a proud of that and truly like. It means the world to us that you you listen to show I. Really does it. It just means everything. To. Thank you.

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Helena Suric and Kendall Jenner

Vogue Podcast

15:29 min | 5 years ago

Helena Suric and Kendall Jenner

"Taste. Hello. This is Helena vogues booking structure. And today. I'm so excited to have our September. Covergirl V KENDALL Jenner calling into our studio today candle. Thank you so much for taking the time to appear on our podcast, and congratulations on your stunning September cover what a huge moment for you. They you. I'm so excited. So VO cover is covered and special in and of itself a September, cover even more. So is there any past September issue that as a specially memorable for you? Honestly, I'm right, obviously, the biggest fan, and this is the biggest dream for me. And like, it's just so insane. And I'm like, I'm in love with Adele last cover. I'm in love with beyond say's last. Right. I tell him Beyonce. They were the last two right, y'all. My fiance was last September. I think it does the March for the other big issue. Yeah. But the say I'm like an love at that was incredible. She's amazing woman will nice footsteps for you to follow in. Actually, I feel. I'm so honored. It's like, I literally I still can't even believe it. I'm just incomplete shock, and I'm completely honored. Amazing. So since you were so delighted to be on the cover who was the first person that you told when you found out. About the project. Okay. So I talked to my mom. Of course, my mom was knowing that I kinda got to freak out with. But I was like very big on keeping secret. Like, I want it to be a surprise. I wanted to surprise for everyone. So for I don't know. I was like I was just celebrating with my mall. I look barely even sisters because I just want everyone to be like when it comes down. I want it to even more of a shock vector. Nice. Is there anyone in particular who's reaction to the cover? You're really excited to see once. They are surprised honestly my family. That's kinda why don't like pulling my whole family. I have such a big family, and we're all such best friends. So Lynch that we all support each other. And we all love it when one of succeeds. So like, I just love my guy loved the reaction of my family and my sisters, and you can just really feel the love, and I it's just I mean, it's the best nicely. I'm sure that will be an amazing moment. And when they all see at at something else, they'll be seeing on the cover throughout your career. You've had a trademark long style. And for the September issue legendary hair. Stylist Garin give you a bold new cut on sat on the first day of shooting. How did that decision come about? And how did you feel about the cut or you nervous to make the change and do feel that it made the cover more special? I think more special Matt actually texted me the day before and was like, I wanna cut your hair, all my how I've been waiting for someone to wanna cut my hair, actually, cutting kind of bored with my long, like just straight hair waiting for someone to want to do it. And for math to come and say you wanted to do it. I trust him. And I know he thinks I know he knows cool. And I know you know, what would look good on me. And he made me most comfortable than the next day. We kind of all brainstorm together me Garin, and Matt and Omni, and we were just brainstorming. And I was showing some pictures hair hairstyles that I love and actually put up a picture of Christie, and I was like I love this air style. And everyone was like love it do it. And I was like. Perfect. Everyone agrees. Nice while it may actually grow in length again. So you'll get a chance to do another cut. Eventually I love that. You got to try something that you've been dying to do for a long time on the shoot. Is there a fashion story or something that you would really like to do that? You haven't had a chance to yet. Maybe like a story concept you'd love or someplace you'd like to travel too. I wrote. I love her go. I'm going to mostly viz. I love going places that like you've never been before. And that are just so incredibly beautiful that you don't get to see every day like not like somewhere outside insane and beautiful with something like a wig on you that makes you so different. And really care love something like that. And I love something. Everyone knows I'm like excessive these in the eighties and the seventies and everything like that. So I love being able to go back in time. Nice. I really liked that you have so many ideas of your own one of the things that social media has changed or models of your generation is that it's giving you the platform to put yourself in the position as a collaborator an image crater for the brands that you work with in a way, this makes you more similar to models in the past those glamorous models like Christy Turlington, Linda Evangelista who are part of the creative process. More than just anonymous mannequins in what way has social media. Given you and your peers tool to do this. I think her for the major. Very next with the fan base. And I think that that's something that not a lot of models in the past hat and John with Cindy. And we'll talk about it. Sometimes it's just so impressive me that models. Like, Cindy, and Linda, and Christy Naomi, they didn't have what I have today who connects with fans, but they still have that connection just photo and that so impressive. And that's something that I guess I'll never know. But it's like so mind blowing to me, and it's mind blowing to Cindy as well away that we have today. So it's it's actually a really cool thing to kind of talk about with her into kinda get her point of view on it. And it was I don't know. It's very interesting. Definite connection that we have. And that were that were able to know it's a new version is pretty awesome. So you have millions upon millions of followers on your Instagram. But one of the most impressive things about your feed, even more. So than its follow numbers. How great the photos you take for our your photography skills are definitely getting quite a bit of not. Do you have any training as a photographer are yourself talk? Not very I I did take for in school for like three years. So I did that. So I had like it was more of a how to work the camera thing. It wasn't. I think everyone has their own pace and everyone has their own like liking on things. So I think that it's just my way of viewing the world. And that's where I think it says special about I love between your own personal bumping. Yes. Your art. So it's it's very personal. But yeah, I mean, I had to I was taking classes to learn how to work a camera and stuff, and is there a particular type of camera that you use for your photos yet? I use an open to show camera, and it just takes them amazing authentic photos. And that's my nice will you recently? Join snapchat. And I for one have been following your every story what side to take the plunge and join a little bit later than some of you are your cohorts, and how do you feel the difference social media platforms differ in terms of what kind of content you like to share on them? Yeah. I think that to get a snapshot at I just because. I was always very cry. Or if you wanna say the most out of my family, and I felt like it was very personal thing. It's not try to stupor the moment. So when you take a Snapchat. It's obviously, a course what's happening at that moment. So that's where that's where it kind of creeks. Creeks sitting in the car with me, I thought about maybe getting one, and I'm sitting in the cars little sister, who's like, the cleaner Snapchat, and she was making Sachin shows make and like do it. And I was like what you feel and to help me out my followers, but I question and the. Okay. Cool. So I need what. And now, I love it. I mean, I'm not like the I don't match ton. Again. I still have that like fear of just like letting everyone on exactly putting them moment. Like on Instagram different. Take a photo and the post two hours later, but yeah, I'm here like being able to have the one kind of in a little bit Kylie gave you a shout out. It's nice to know that you need to lean on someone to get more followers your fears about your privacy, kind of make me questions something working with young models and women in the public eye. One thing that I often Maury about for them. And for all of you is about your your actual safety, and the increasing levels of exposure that y'all have on social media. Are there any particular precautions that you take with respect to sharing private information like your whereabouts are mean, like I said, I the fact that that touch very into every like sharing my location or my geo tag, unless it's already known where I'm at is that make sense. So like if I'm spent more. Going knows. I'm not tacking it our whenever earth. I'm a restaurant, and there's the proper trying to fan than mine geo tagging and people can know where I am. But otherwise, if if I'm already being very private I'd rather keep it that way, speaking of ubiquitous paparazzi without giving too much away. For those not read are September cover piece, you spent a few quality days with our writer Jonathan Van Meter and at some juncture paparazzi spotted YouTube together, and he was subsequently referred to in the press as quote, an older gentleman and personally big out for him. That wasn't very nice. How do your friends outside of fashion and entertainment handled the scrutiny that accompanies every move? And what is the strangest place the paparazzi ever tried to follow you? That that's the law in the different shoes. And the people you let around your life. I I don't think a lot of people not normal. So I don't think a lot of people know how to deal with it or know how to accept it. And I've definitely had moments with friends where they freak out because they've never had this before and they don't get it. And it's it's a different thing. But it's something that they kind of have to learn, and if they're if they're genuine friends, and I think that if if they're to be in your life forever, then they are gonna learn to deal with it or they're going to learn how to maneuver it on their own because it's it's something that it's baggage. It's definitely baggage on on my end, and I have to kind of like warn people up at and that may sound kind of weird. But it's just something that I kinda have to do it. But if you have a genuine enough friend, and they're nice, nothing really entirely bother them. And make you make them not wanna be your friends. Strangest place. I wouldn't say I think it's it's more of a more disrespectful place. Like, they try and follow you into private places that actually are like illegal for them to go, and they'll still go, and that's like it's like cross the line. That's fortunate. Yeah. That's a fortunate. I'm sure it's a lot for you to cope with. So your career has really taken off in the past two years and the life of a model can be really crazy whirlwind of working with new people every day and being an unfamiliar situations. But in the short time that you've been working you've already developed some amazing term relationships from your cosmetics contract with Estee Lauder to your work with Calvin Klein, your frequent collaborations with Carlisle fouled, and your many turns on the Monchy runway. What does it feel like to work with friends and this newfound professional family in mazing like you said this industry, you you have to be put in front of so many new faces and you can meet different people. And really like put yourself into new situations all the time, which is something that I actually wasn't good two years ago. And now become so much better at it. And that's something that I can really take away from career and be happy about. But yeah, I could get what. So when you do get those relationships and connections and collaborations with people that end up being family. It's just so much warmer. And it's so awesome to come around and be able to have a friend around. It makes this job a lot easier and a lot more fun. And yeah, I mean, it's great. It's I've never had so many friends in my entire life. I've I was like a loner in high school pretty much. I had some in middle of the loan in middle school and like just like fat alone room on the weekends. So for me to now have this many friends that have this many people that I love and that love me, it's just such a different world. And it's snow amazing. I couldn't be anymore blessed. I'm really happy to hear the modeling. Brought you so many amazing things that's very refreshing one of the most amazing things about your modeling career of itself. And something that I really respect is that you actually chose to and wanted to model and for a moment wanting to be a model was almost this on cool thing or something a young girl might be less forthcoming about Mike. Like, I want to be an actress would H, and how did you decide that you wanted to be a model and who did you feel comfortable sharing this desire with thirteen fourteen? I mean, I remember before that I was definitely like looking at magazines in life in awe at all the supermodels that I was looking at. But I remember being like thirteen fourteen and making like like, the funniest little book for my mom, a photos of me that I took they were really all selfie or like photo booth photos, which is the funniest thing ever. I took them, and I gave a little book to my mom of all my photos, and I was like I wanna be a model you need the help me. And she was like, okay. Got you. And I remember maybe a week later. I had a meeting with the model agency in LA, and they signed me. And I was first of all I don't know why they signed. I was not cute at fourteen, but he has so yeah, I got signed. And then from there, I was doing like, Hugh commercially things I think my first job was for forever twenty one and he has and then the rest of history, I think you're being modest. I'm sure absolutely adorable at age fourteen and you seem to to see a trend coming because a lot of models today are actually discovered via cell fees on soc. Media. So you may on top of it, fourteen exactly and one last very timely question for you in the lead up to November's presidential election. A urine are for rock. The vote a nonprofit nonpartisan organization encouraging young people to vote how did you become interested in voting and evolved with rock the vote aren't my whole life. If we're going back. I started my dad would drive me to school every single day and take pick me up every single day in school is forty five minutes away from home, and I would have to sit in the car and listen to talk radio all day and listen to my dad, just go on about whatever presidential election was happening at that moment. I think it's kind of always just been in the back of my head, and it's always been a part of my life. But yeah, I honestly wanted to be involved in something. But encourage kids to go out and do that. Because I think nowadays people, I don't know, I guess people get lazy. I don't know. It's like, but it was just such a such a thing that I believed in that. I really wanted everyone to get on top. Too. Because it's so importantly are future. And we have to bring that out in generation, and we have to speak. You are voice fair generation. So I think it's really wonderful that you're encouraging everyone to use. There's and to get out and vote KENDALL. 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Embracing Our Imperfection With Designer Jenni Kayne

Mom Brain

42:38 min | 2 years ago

Embracing Our Imperfection With Designer Jenni Kayne

"Lina mom is the toughest job. There is. And it doesn't come of instruction, so it's okay if you don't have all the answers figure it out together this mom brain with alario, Baldwin and Daphne us. He guy. Welcome back to mom brain. I'm ill aria. And I'm definitely. And today, we are chatting with designer mom entrepreneur lifestyle. Guru, John McCain, she's super like effortless. We were talking to him with this is a Skype as, as Skype interview, so we're not in the same place, but she just looks like the lighting is, like, so glowing a lay behind her, and she's got like that absolute perfect, like L A, little wave and at love that she she'll keep on talking about how she wants things to be kind of effortless and not completely done not completely finish and I love that. Because as moms were always trying to like pretend we're like all right. We're just gonna fake that we feel like completely one hundred percent pull together and she's like, hey, you know what? I'm lowering the bar and it's fantastic and you just look like that effortless chic thing. So I feel like that has to be our new thing. Like we're like you know what? We're not going to try for, you know looking perfect. We're just going to be like here my flyaways, and it's okay do you know? You know what I think I do feel like people read your energy. And if your energy is like I don't feel ready. I don't feel prepared. I feel like this hair is out of place. Or this does not look like you're trying to you're trying so hard. It it reads like that. Where part of what I think, is so cool about Johnny's whole sort of approach to life and her style and the and the simple but informed ways that she approaches her life with three kids and she did. She said, I'm Virgo I'm like an over researcher. I love that. So it's not that she doesn't make informed choices. She just is like now I'm going to breed them them. Now, I'm going to relax and let them work in my life and absorb the things that actually are effective, and that I can make time for and not worry about the other stuff so much, I think I'm always curious about how like, the, the vibe of a place feeds the way mother's mother. And I think I MO e I have a couple of really close friends who live in L A, and they all have a bunch of kids. I also believe it's like the, the fish bowl of back there's more room in LA. So the idea of having two three four kids, isn't scary to them because they live in homes where we. Live in living in New York apartments or kind of like. Kids sounds like just plenty for this closet. But anyway, she is she's she will talk about her natural beauty her way. Her effortless way of dressing and how sort of Jani king. Staples came about and she made a name for herself building, and, and providing the ultimate mom, wardrobe and slash like classic California chic and casualwear job and a lot about exile in dealing with managing anxiety and, and healthy cooking and her new book Pacific natural. Now this is Jenny came. That we'd like to give people here, the opportunity to introduce themselves because he always feel like you do it better. I am Jenny Kane. And I'm a mother three on a designer and I believe in living and living. Well, I didn't realize that you started Jenny Kane when you were nineteen which is crazy to be that you, you even that you have the, the sort of chutzpah to go and start a brand, let alone, actually knew what this brand could look like at nineteen. But I imagine I imagine there's been a lot of evolution over the course of, of its lifetime. And I'm really I'm really curious to hear how how the line started and like what it's sort of formation was. And then how it's evolved now that you become a mom and, and that your that your focus in life has evolved quite a bit. Yes. So I always knew that I wanted to be a fashion designer my mom took me to Chanel charity fashion show, when I was eight or nine and I remember Linda Evangelista was in it. And I was totally. Blown away by the entire experience. And from then on out knew that, that's what I wanted to do. So after working a little bit traditional college wasn't really for me. I went to art school for year and then started working and just formed the right relationships and kind of was naive and didn't realize how hard it would be. So I went out and started my own collection producing everything in Italy, I would travel to Italy for three and a half weeks at a time and, and just kind of made it happen. And I always knew that I wanted it to be a lifestyle brand, but not until the last couple of years was really able to like embody that and bring it all to life through the stores and opening up new categories and all that. So it started. I mean, did you start with one particular d start with the flat? Or did you start with, like something else that was really signature to you always known for my sweaters? So my most successful. Items when I first started were these really Lux cashmere sweaters and sweaters are still like one of my biggest categories, and then I would say, when Ripley before Ripley was born. I came out with the door safely. So I wanna say like maybe nine years ago and took off and really helps people know the brand and take the brand to the next level. And then I became known for shoes and fires like, mom wardrobe Staples. I also feel like I, I always feel like when I met, L A, and I'm with my girlfriends, and I only moms have like a thing about a genetic wa about them, but it's just there's something let let it is, it's sunny. And it's effortless and it's warm but, like layered. It's there's a very casual but put together look about them and whenever I asked them, what the were like, oh, it's Jedi its genyk, which is amazing because because you really don't have much time to get dressed, especially when you have young kids who really need you. You an early in the morning, like we just talked about the stress in chaos of just getting out of bed, getting yourself, sort of, like brush your teeth and put your face cream on and come downstairs. And it's really nice to have a wardrobe that lends itself to that kind of quick, breezy but still feeling and looking great unfeeling like you're putting your best face forward. Which I love how did that look and style sort of come to you was it something that you always felt like you dress like or was it something that you sort of started to look at P women around you and feel like this is really missing from what they're what they have available. So when I first started my business when I was younger, I was all about fashion, and increasing beautiful pieces that were much more seasonal. And as I grew up in as I had children, I realized that's not really how women dress in. That's not practical, especially if you have kids, so my concept was find your uniform. What looks great on you. What works for your body type in what works fear lifestyle? So for me, that's a great hair of highway suggestions with Jenny Kane. Knit. A flat, my door say or Jenny mules and on sometimes a collared shirt with sleeves rolled up. So why try to reinvent the wheel every single season rather finds the basics that I think every woman should have and make them in multiple colors fabrications, and kind of really stand for that. So it all it all came from wanting to figure out what worked for me, as a working mom, and like what made me feel good about myself in my club. That's that's amazing. Because I do think there is something about a uniform and of course like we wanna go out in, you know, change up a little bit. But there's so much stress of menu. Have you have three Daphne is three I have four of dressing everybody? There's a lot of bodies to dress. And you're like the, unfortunately oftentimes where the last people we can think about and to go into the cause and be like, okay, am I doing dress? Am I doing yoga pants m I doing, you know of John's vis a jump shoot. That makes me. Nice. I look like I am a dalmatian today are like prefers domain. It. I still, you know it's cozy is easy. It was one piece of clothing, but on other the but, you know, I mean it does make I am somebody that you open up, my 'cause I have like a million yoga pants because I know that and they all look exactly the same and it's just easy because my uniform, and I know that if somebody spits up on them or callers on me or something like that can just change them. But, you know, I I'm interested in the in the age range of your of your children, because you have a really big age difference with your kids now. What, what was that? Like what is that? Like I I'm always fascinated by it because I have the indefinite do we have the complete opposite, where we have kids every couple months that was fun. I love when people have these big age difference, because you really get to enjoy each baby totally, so my first two are much closer in age. They're twenty one twenty one no two and a half years for nine twenty one one older. My stuff. So they're two and a half years apart. And I actually think it was a little too. Close in retrospect, I think I felt pressured to have to close together. So they would be, you know, friends, they beyond Saint page in doing the same things, but my kids fight a lot. So I think had there been a little bit of a larger gap. It would have been a little bit easier. And then I come from three I have two younger sisters, so I always wanted three and my youngest sister's five years younger. And so I always loved the idea of having a larger gap, but as time went on it became harder and harder to want to get pregnant, once you get their way for men in out of diapers, and you're, you're going back in, especially you're not a morning person. It's really rough. And I definitely don't do well for the first year with with lack of sleep or until sleep training. But my little sister, we had always talked about having babies at same time, and we don't have any cousins, because my sisters didn't have babies and she got pregnant, and I said, okay, I'll try I was like this. This is at a time. I had missed my five year gap, but I was going to go for it. Anyways, only the dog is peeing. Amazing brain. Literally just from the trainer. It is not dream. That's ridiculous. Isn't a boy dog. It's a boy. His name is tag and he's, he's really key puppy. He just tagged your floor. So, so Syria got pregnant with Henrietta, and I said, okay, I'm gonna try and got pregnant the next month. And she said, I didn't need not close. Don't worry being number three is not going to outshine not get all the attention. And it's actually been incredible. Because like you said, you really get to enjoy and focus on each phase. So with trooper I been no restrooms. There's no restroom to crawl. No rush for him to walk. I kinda just want him to be who he is in the moment, and I'm really able to enjoy it. And the big kids, are like little helpers, which is awesome. Isn't that nice when you can like go in the even Carmen who's five? She's such a good helper. I can be like, okay, I'm gonna rent a P watch Romeo. And then I run obviously, it's like the like the fastest thing in the world, but it's like then I come back and everybody's still alive. Totally that hasn't clicked for, for now. Fortunately. She's like, not responsible. She just she's, she's my artsy girl, and she's, and she's also very focused on ourselves. And he's like, I know you told me to watch the baby but I had this like glitter glue. That was drying. And I had urged to go, create heart. An emergency. Yeah. I definitely think my son is more helpful than my daughter. That's interesting. So Ripley is turning eight and tanners ten Antionette Tanner. She was a teenager now that I've a baby, and he's the oldest, and he's the big brother. Yeah. Takes that responsibility inside. It's you an Ripley in Tanner, I gather the make sense are the inspiration for rip ten. The this an it. Well, seriously. People can find it online. It's rip and tan dot com. And I it's this amazing blog that you run that I feel like a lifestyle site at this point that I feel like was really early to the game of a family directed content and of like, bringing in the whole lifestyle like that you just talked about the wardrobe and making a uniform for yourself and making that part of your day easy, which is something that I always struggle with. And I'm always looking to identify those pieces that are like I just want to create this piece in ten different. Linen and cotton, and silk, and whatever's, like, is where this look a million times and never have to think about it again. But I think it was really beautiful. You sort of took that idea. And then let it inform this whole way of living in the very natural, California, warm, comfortable vibe thing. What was that? What was that experience? Like because again, I think you did it at least before a lot of people that I knew were even thinking in that realm. And, you know, creating that kind of content and creating that kind of brand extension from from fashion line into a much bigger lifestyle endeavor. So I started ripping tan as a passion project when Ripley was first born, and I really I'm ver- going over researcher, I love all things. Beautiful in all the details in life. And I was the person that all my friends came to four like, how do I do this kind of kids party? How do I entertain what cleaning products do? I need my house utrition things of recipes, all that kind of stuff, and I was sick of town. Italy. And so I thought I'm going to put this together in a site, and it was separate from the business, and it was really it was really just because I was passionate about it, and as it's grown, it's definitely integrated with the business in. It's become a part of it. But I also will say that I I've always been passionate about sorry, dogs have been really passionate about supporting women, and I feel like there's enough room for all of us. We all complemented Heather in what we do whether we're doing the same thing or something different. And so I've always loved featuring women and especially mothers and coming into their homes in learning with their baby beauty products, our favorite recipes things that they like to do their children restaurants, like all of that kind of staff and highlighting their talents and different creatives. What, what it is wintertime here in New York, and I feel like everyone's just getting out of a cold or out of a flu or whatever, what are some of your favorite immune-boosting, thanks for yourself and for your kids? So Alder vary for the kids for me, we do a elderberry, Sarah. I love making fire signer so you can buy it or you can make it an tastes kind of gross, but shot of that every day is as ING on, if you can't handle that, just opposite or vinegar with warm water, new Honey and lemon is amazing. I feel like I'm constantly fighting off what everyone brings in a house. So I'm always always trying new things. And I, I really believe in, in acupuncture and kind of taking care of yourself, so that you're at least you're at least healthy when the when the children go down as what we had an acupuncture episode, and it was so interesting. We had both of our acupunctures, come on hair his awesome, awesome. And it was it was interesting because it was one of the first order like deep dive medicine based really, we wanted to get into theory of acupuncture, he wanted to, like, really give people a crash course. One. Oh, one in it. And we kind of it was an experiment. We were like I don't know if people want to listen to something this deep on a podcast. That's normally the two of us being crazy. And like taking our guys along for the ride, and people loved it because I think that's what you. Said about women is so critical to it a we all bring something fresh and different on a different perspectives the table. And we on number really wanna hear those differing perspectives and learn from each other. But I also feel like you moms in look, your expertise could be one thing, but inevitably because you're dealing with many other people's lives, all your kids lives, your husband's live, your friends lies, whenever you, you are collecting all this information all the time you're vessel for that information and the stuff that really works for other moms. I'm so intrigued by and I'm always like so maybe an appropriately curious about unlike Calvi everything, and I would be I, I'm a big believer that I don't we either friend who would put medicine it like when you go to a friend's house for dinner party, whatever. And some people like just nuclear medicine cabinet. I don't know what they're looking for. And he would put marvels on the walls of on the shelves of his medicine cabinet. So when they opened it all the marbles will come crashing to the magic over everything. Okay. And they're, you know, L let him know the I don't care, what cabinet you can tell me what's in there. I don't really care. I can't in your fridge and I know that you love to cook, and I feel like you can know everything you need to know about a family and the way that they live by seeing what's in their refrigerator. So what are, what are some of the quick, everyday meals? You feel like you guys rely on to get you through the week. So we, especially in the winter, I really believe in eating seasonally, in, in rhythms, major. So right now, constantly tons of different bullish assumes, which feel like are so easy to make once you know the base for any soup than you just add vegetable in different spices. And you can change it up. We also love doing Curry's lentils and Alterman stuff like that, and I'll do little grilled cheeses on the side for the kids to death in them. So there you know. Not totally deprived. Carbohydrates, no that machine. Nice balance to. 'cause then they're getting like the delicious, grilled cheese, they want, maybe they'll dip it in the doll in the actually think it's delicious. I have yesterday, just like a vegetable soup that was really good. But just basic instruments. But then I. Swirled tahitian. Oh, hi, gosh. You guys need to know about this. You need to do it immediately. It was so simple and creamy, and vegan, if you want if you care about that, but it was just like alternately extraordinarily indulgent, feeling and delicious. I love that. I think soups are really so we, we do a lot of chilis. We do soups. We do stews things that you can make in the slow cooker or make an advance and of Taif, res well too, which is great. I you kids picky eaters. So my son is looking mazing eater. And my daughter is a little bit pickier. We actually just went through nutritionist yesterday because my daughter decided to become a vegetarian. She's a huge animal of her, and I'm primarily vegetarian, but eat a little bit of fish, and she doesn't quite understand that you have to eat more. Beans, legumes and get proteins, she's rowing. It's different than an adult being a vegetarian, so I keep calling her carbon here. White red in pasta, sure up to her. So we went to kind of like talk about you're going to be vegetarian. Like, what are what's the balance you need? What are some of the things that you can add to your diet, it'll make it easier, even just like adding all mentor peanut butter into your oatmeal, Mesa victim. So it was really it was really interesting. I'm hoping that, how did she deal at love? I love love love love love that. You brought her there. How did she deal with getting not information minute? This I became veteran when I was five and I was the only one in the family and it was it was Jake Ganic fight, Jake Gant on, on a hunger strike. It was like a really really, really big deal. But I didn't know we didn't think about it from nutrition aspect. It was just like, okay. Now I'm gonna stop to eat meat and I turned out. Okay. So don't worry about much. I'm super super healthy. But, you know, I mean I love that you're, you're bringing your in and saying, hey, this is, you know what you are allowed to make these choices. But there is responsibility with. Do you feel like that session with this nutritionist allowed her to think about it a little bit differently totally, so I even vegetarian when I'm closer to Tanner's age? I was ten or eleven and I, I don't think I made the healthiest choices. But again, I'm healthy like you. I'm feel like I actually excited that she's going to be vegetarian in that she loves animals so much in its very in line with the way that I eat. But I just wanna make sure that she understood that she needs to know at a couple of things in, if she's going to do that do feel like it resonated, her. I think she's just a picky eater. So it's always a little bit of a battle, but I think she did pick up a couple of things like, oh, if I add hung us into my snack than I'm getting protein and I'll be more satiated. What about your baby pickier not picky? The babies pretty great. He penetrates everything we eat. But, but since we've been traveling, he started eating those squeegees build with fruit and his obsessed with them. Now, he just kind of wants those he would grub all day all day my all dead. So funny might third Necas the same way I'm like oh, you are definitely my child like she judges, ja she's like, oh, great. What are you eating what are you unique? She'll try everything I got into the habit. And I really need to figure out how to we live in Florida right now. And so it's, it's beautiful at night in the kids after dinner. We go out me like let them run around for a bit. And they have ice cream cones when, you know after dinner, and it's like a small scoop of ice cream. Don't talk to me. I about everything. I'll tell you that Jenner to a happening every day. But it's so funny because I'll try not to give it to her because I'm like, she's on Mamie. She doesn't need ice cream and she's going to bed, and she screams at me, like she's like give me my so. I did. So the level of joy and pleasure, that she gets from eating reminds me of myself, so I do line nine month old, stole my Lolli. When we when we when we fly places like let them I'll have Lally for their ears as we're gonna take off and land. It's fantastic. And he literally a video of it. He literally takes it out of my mouth and puts it in his mouth, and he was at the time. He was like eight months, old and had that been my first child, these are not motive doggies are two troupes. They're not organic and they are full of God. On the light him and see. No. Nope. Nope. These are not that will you know what they're delicious and earlier up open is okay. But like ice cream it tastes. I think it's all about it has to be it has. And also like the more the more demands on your time. And also, I think you do relax child to child. I also love that each child. I feel like I've become version two point. Oh, version three point. Oh, version four point -o of myself and myself as a mother, because you do you use lawful lot of like the paranoia and the anxiety that you had the first time around and favor of more expertise that you have in, you know what works for your family. And you are not to expect a little bit more. But I also feel like each kid teaches you something different and, and they are they're just different people. So they need different things from you. What, what does what does trooper need from your? What has he taught you about yourself that you didn't that you weren't before? I think trooper has come with many lessons, but I think mainly staying in the moment in enjoying each as like we talked about earlier. I had my other two in my twenties. And I think I was you know, I wanted to get my body back. I wanted to get back to my regular life as much as I wanted to bring them with me through it. I felt a pressure to kind of get some semblance of my old life back in with trooper. I didn't feel about it all it felt like I was really able to stay home for a couple of months in joy, you know, being in my sweatpants, in pajamas day on hanging out in bed with him cuddling, and just really enjoying the moment with him. I also had an unfortunate accident when I was pregnant with him and had to have surgery. So I think it taught me a lot about like having faith end meditation and just kind of you can't control everything accidents happen. Everything worked out, he's totally healthy and fine. But it was definitely diff. Different different pregnancy and has kind of it's interesting. I have listening Zaidi in general having my third, but I because of the accident incident, PTSD stuff. I sometimes have irrational fears or feelings that come up within like didn't with the others. So it's forcing me to kind of look at that and work through that and. Kind of identify will. What's your intuition versus? What's not interesting. I've I, I don't apnea if you've experienced some share a lot of our listeners have. So my second was born at thirty five weeks, six days, and I told I told everybody from month three from twelve weeks as at this baby is going to be born early. And I just knew he was really low. He was super active and that, you know what that's his personality. He's like the first one other always like I'm ready. I need to move. He's a little bit like me we're constantly running around everywhere, and, and because in he was fine. He was six pounds, seven ounces. He was totally financial being the Nikki for like a couple of days. I could stay with him. It was. It was in the grand scheme of things. It was totally fine. But he is. I'm extra protective of him in a funny way because I did have that traumatic experience of and I knew he was coming the day before I went to my doctors at the baby is gonna come, and he's like, no, he's not as it. Okay. I'll see you tomorrow and, and I went into labor but, you know it is interested in it. So. How give us give our listeners some some tools about hoping to distinguish between what is mother's just sense. Like I have the strong feeling that what do they call it mother's intuition versus? Yeah. Versus I am freaking out nine being irrational. So I for media easiest way to do to kind of identify is for me. Intuition is something that kind of comes into my head, and I hear it as message. Ings -iety is, is something that I hear an feel and I feel emotional. So I think if there's like emotions like fear or panic or anything that kind of goes along with the thought that I know that that's not real. So sometimes when I have a thought, it's my intuition. All ask myself is this trail, like do I need to get up right now? Go check on him. Sometimes I just will because it doesn't hurt but I think kind of going through the process of asking yourself questions and trying to see like where it sits in your body like, is it in your stomach? Is it in your head back and kind of help identify? I love that minister doing that. That's never feeling. I'm gonna sit with myself this little tip meditation, right? You sit with your selling one hundred like breathe in an. Ask yourself and it's a good distinction because I do think I think we're, I think we are all emotional creatures. I an especially when you're in that sort of. Just in the mothering world, you're trying to be aware of everyone's emotions. You are you a purposely trying to tune into those things, but I do think they can take ownership of you. And I, I read a quote somewhere that was about actually about yoga on about yoga being about the practice of learning to control your thoughts, not to let them control you and not that you won't have those thoughts, not that you won't have those emotions. But that you'll have the ability to control them into quiet them when you need to. And I thought that that was really I thought that was really important. I think that we all need to sort of figure out the ways that we can use to, to, to not be ruled by our motions until let them, whether it's the ability to let go you MP at peace with things. So I mean those like you said those thoughts will come in, and you have to notice them, which ones are serving me, which ones are not serving in what is my physical response to those. Right. And it's hardly ever a good, unless like you, you know that you're there's a car on top of your child, and then the mother's like super. Power lifted up. But there is a point of saying, hey, you know what? If I am screw squeezing my shoulders. This is not gonna make the situation better. It's just going to give me a pain in the neck. And it's gonna make me behave in a way that it's not helpful. So as being able to say okay, this is my thought. Let me call my body. Let me take a deep breath. And then let me attack and deal with the situation. That's I always say that. I worry as a prayer for the worst possible outcome because I do think we all spend a lot of time worrying. And I think that, that to that point, it's, it's it doesn't change anything that's happening. It doesn't give you any like night tool to use or serve you in any way. It just literally lets you meditate on the worst possible. Executive it started that it costing. It's exhausting. Okay. Onto slightly lighter. Subject matter your hair, always. Tastic. It's always this beautiful fresh like loose, bumpy seaboard, if berry California thing, what do you do for it? How do you make it look like that? And your skin doing gives us you like your hair duty situations. Very sweet. My hair's naturally wavy like this. I do Hombre for for highlight. So I think that helps like accentuate the waves. But if you came up host, it's also very frizzy in messy. I never liked to look totally done. Right. So I just let it dry naturally, the only special thing I do. I would say is I put coconut oil in it once or twice a week and sleep with it like that. And then in the morning, I rinse it with opposite of vinegar and membership twice. And that's how I wash my hair. Oh. Makes it super super saw a little bit less frizzy, but honestly, other than that, I, I'm just lucky. That my mom had people here. And my daughter, Ripley. That's the only thing I wanted was for her to have curls like me, and she hates out, really, really devastating. And she brushes them out and tries to make it strayed, and spray stuff in it to, like, hold it down show. Show show. Ghetto trailer showed she, she finally says, you always want you don't have. She's a run out. Her eating when they're a special brush, that you do use that, like that, you find doesn't make your hair frizzy or that you love. I don't rush my her ever, unless they have conditioner in it, and I use a tangled teaser, I sleep with in braids because otherwise it gets kind of like matted in the back, and I also think that probably helps the waves stay a little bit more to a when you wake up in the morning. Your does your hair look crimped. You have to not really cringe because I do it like a loose band on it. But I see, like with Pocahontas, go to sleep with wet hair, you braid it. No dry dry hair Braida. So like tonight when I go to bed, I'll just breed here into to loose braids in wake up in the morning. It'll. Look like my friends with curly hair. A lot of them do that with their kids as well. So, but not starting from the top, no friendly. Jelly loose. And then skin-care what's your skin care situation? I'm crazy about skin. Karen really passionate about about organic clean, natural beauty, and trying to avoid any botox fillers or any harsh chemicals for as long as possible. So I do microcurrent facials with this amazing woman. Also does rake eating it. Which is awesome. And I do acupuncture facial, so got stimulates your muscles in your collagen. Microcurrent makes your muscles work like taking your skin to the gym, and I use beautiful cleaning products obsessed with Christina. Holy who's an amazing facialists in the bay area. And she has collection with reborn. And I love true botanical 's effect. There's so many great organic clean, beauty companies out there popping up. It is a boom right now. I think for really effective natural beauty products, which is amazing. Talk to us about Pacific natural, your new bug, which is so exciting. Congratulations. Thank you. I'm so excited. I would say that it's a love letter to California, and it's all about being in the moment, eating seasonally end, and living in rhythm with nature, which I really believe that that's what we're supposed to be doing. I think we all. Such crazy lives right now. But it's really important to sit down and come together and share beautiful meal, and an enjoy time with friends and family. So Pacific naturals meant to inspire others to do the same. And I kind of highlights of my favorite recipes beautiful table scape different different ideas for people to entertain, and I try to make it after it lists an easy. I don't think anything should be too perfect or preceding. That's what I loved actually a was the hostess gift Porsche. She sort of breaks the book down in there's little bureau parties for each season and table scraps. In ideas, I setting it, so it looks very festive and celebrated, but it all looks very simple and effortless and not like something, you're going to have to spend hours and hours, preparing for, and you are you go the extra step in our thoughtful to create these little hostess gifts there, lavender bath salts and things that, again, people feel very taking care of when they get into them home, but they literally took you fifteen minutes to put together, which is a. Yeah. Okay. What's your favorite thing? Your favorite things that thing that you feel like you're telling all your girlfriends about right now. It could be a beauty product. It could be like a kid's toy could be anything but is changing your life at the moment? What's the favorite thing or just a favorite thing? It doesn't have to be like, the number one h is something that you like. Yeah. Okay. I was saying my new favorite thing is true botanical makes an overnight mass than it completely obsessed with Anna, totally holds your moisture in and I'm you know wearing on the flight to New York next week. And I've been living in it every night. I love it too, that an awesome. Thank you so much. Thanks, jennifer. Thank you. Yeah. He hurric- guys that was Jenny Kane, you know, I, I love how I love her outlook on life. It just seems so manageable. And she doesn't say that stress doesn't come in, but she goes, and she finds a solution, I love that she brought her daughter to the nutritionist event brings her kids into this into the problem solving as well. Which is something that we talk we've talked about, on, mom brain as well. You know, I'm remembering Adam grant, and like teaching kids about problem, solving and attacking different things. Not just seems like a really great way of sharing of teaching responsibility a loved how she she talked about her own anxiety and kind of sitting with herself. And doing that meditation of really, you know where do I feel this? I feel in my stomach do I feel it in, you know, which part of my body in how can I calm it and really figure out what's going on? I think that's a really important point you bring up about kids, and especially, because she has kids on the older range of a lot of the women that we talked to. New ten and seven and end starting to sort of make decisions for themselves that they're curious about, like becoming under -tarian and not wanting to squash. Their impulse to, to say I want this, or I'm going to try this, but to, to make sure that they know there's responsibility, that goes along with those choices and I think that's a really important way to nurture independence. But also do it in a very thought just as you make it into a fight that thing. And then the kids making about something different rather than the act, there other than just becoming a vegetarian now it's a power struggle, right? Whereas, you know, if you do and say, okay, great, you have to do this, but you're going to do it right. And I love learning about her coconut oil hair mask, plus apple cider vinegar rinse plus only brushing brushing with conditioner. It's something that I find is I get that, like, really crazy kind of like rats nuts tangled, the back of my neck very wildly winter glazier when you're wearing scarves. Oh, next allot. Then it kind of gets on nodded. Right. So I'm going to try that sleeping with the Pocahontas braids and see what happens if because I feel like. I brush my hair, then I rip out huge Hudson. I don't need to be doing that. So and the fire cider is I've been buying it. But I'm gonna exactly it'll be I, I wanted her to tell us her recipe, but the one that I buy has apple cider vinegar, Honey manuka Honey, which has more of this sort of antibacterial, anti microbial and viral features of, of raw, unfiltered, Honey, garlic. It has I wanna say like oil of oregano in it may be colloidal, silver, a whole bunch of really immune-boosting incredible antivirals. And you just take a shot of it in the morning, and it sounds really funky, but it literally tastes like salad dressing. Like if you enjoy salad dressing. That's what it tastes like. And you actually can use it a salad dressing, which is gonna fun. So I'm sure the recipes on our online. But there's also something actually called fireside or you, can you order at my kids won't have it because it has Cayenne in it. So it's spicy. But if you make it at home, you can leave the Kyon out just gonna have to try it. And now it's time for our favorite things. Now it's time for our fame. Yes. So this week, I wanna talk about a hair care product that I use on my kids, a lot, which is Bob. Oh botanical 's I love it. I can find it online super easy. I can buy it in bulk, they have some really, really nice smells. I really like the believe it's Rosemary, and they and they also have a lace prevention one, which I'm like crazy about. So, like I literally prevent lice prevention was valid. I never had I don't know. I recently, we got a notice that can Mike my, my daughter's class had lice that he was kept home. But whatever, and it was it stripped, the fear of I'm terrified. I remember it as a kid being thing. But I don't know. I. I am never met as a child. I never had lice. I never met anyone with lice. It's like it. But now, I guess it's like a very New York thing, because everybody lives onto Trish. But I'm terrified of it's the point where I literally bay them in Babo lace shampoo, every single day. That's a little excessive. It is excessive you know what it's fine. My kids your oil. What I am prepared. The thing is that where there's so many of us, I know you can relate Daphne, there's so many of us that it just spreads like wildfire and the idea of bugs in hair. Oh, there's only one thing worse than New York and its bed bugs. Idle friend, one time who had five bucks. And she comes to your house. I was like, no not. I love you so much. And I will chip in for a hotel or whatever. But. And I will see you in three months when I feel like fully party. You're putting her in the leper colony that ridiculous friends that is hilarious. I. I, I'm glad you know that they have a life prevention option though, because I think a lot of the sort of the, the more sort of harsh chemicals that you use to treat lice are just are really like and show, these are essential oils. And I went so far as to like, find out that apparently, Rosemary and tea tree, and eucalyptus, and lavender and garlic repel. So on the day that I heard that this happened I literally marched my entire pack of children's. We were out at the playground. It was like drop everything. We have to go to the natural store, I went and bought all these things, then it went home and bathed her mind you. She had no contact with the child whatsoever, because they did allay check before school, and then the child was sent home and I bathe her, and then I dumped all this stuff in her hair. She smelled somewhere in between, you know, garlic bread because did. Like something NAMA stay treats tea, tree smell. She will have no friends, because she'll be, so stinky, but you also know as you know what this is how we protect our children. Oh, I do like that might outer school to they to allies. Check every day. I mean, every day I have the kids come to pump each now and I am going to join that because that's out great. So my, my favorite thing this week is a lot of you were asking. I do a lot of makeup tutorials just 'cause I think they're fun. I'm a makeup fanatic. And I just, you know, I'm I like to play around with it. So I show you guys a lot of what I like to do. And what my mom makeup routines on my Instagram account, but I hadn't shown you how I take my makeup off since I wear a lot of makeup, some days, especially for TV or whatever I wanted to show how easy my routine is to take it all off. And I do it with coconut oil. So a couple of weeks ago, I put my whole strip down thing on and it's literally just like I wet my face with water. I rub coconut oil on it. I wipe it off with a warm wet wash cloth or paper towels in a pinch ruins my water in my face without overtime. And it's literally all gone people were I watched it amazing like literally like jaw dropping we'll because makeup removal contain twenty minutes. If you do, especially when whatever favorite things to do. Excellent acting. I'm just tired. I want to go to bed. I feel like I have really, you know, done the day when. Sigh and feel like I deserve a trophy once I wash my face brush, your teeth and good teeth. And it will it actually doesn't take that long for me. But I just hate doing. Yes. Exactly. Because you're ready for bed and you just to take an entire bath to wash my face. I shower every night, because it's moistening for me to the water to warm up. I don't know. I think it's the idea of it's like dripping down my arms, and they whole thing. I'm like, I'm just gonna get all wet. It'll be okay. I do a shower before bed just to take my makeup up like that. And it's easy. But what I did want to say is people were asking, how do you travel with coconut oil, and what I do is I'll either sometimes just empty some from my jar into like a little empty conditioner container or something cleaned out jar that way. But I found this company, conscious coconut and it's USDA organic coconut oil in a tube in this plastic tube. So you can literally just squeeze it out. And it's you know coconut oil liquefies at room temperature in warmer. But it stays pretty solid when you're traveling in this tube. And at least you can just, you know. Put the lid on rest assure, and I put it in a plastic or maybe to, to do that. But it's a really easy way to travel with it, and then you don't end then you're not dipping into the same container over and over, because one thing, I also do I take a big heaping tablespoon and put it in a little Cup. And that's what I leave in my bathroom. And I just go through that each week because if you're dipping into the same jar night after night, Brienne Tyrian and stuff. So anyway, I found this tube and it's been my travel buddy and I love it, and it makes it very easy to stick with my fast, easy makeup. And we will routine I thought you guys would like to hear about that. And you can rub it on your body, if you wanna feel that you can do that Queen, and Johnny canes interview. Now, I wanna put coconut oil on my hair every two days and rinse with apple cider vinegar, guess effortless. And she like a California lean she's amid that she casual types. That's all we have for you this week, guys. Thanks so much for tuning into mom, brain. We love chatting with you. Always always always send us. He'll be three in the morning and you're up nursing or you can't leave or whatever since your emails were mom. Breen pot g dot com spike. Up on Instagram. We have our Instagram account is at mom, brain and YouTube channel brand new just for you guys with the videos of each of recordings, so you can see how your Mackey we get in life is on new to now, also, membrane and rate, reviews scribe. Tune in next week and tell your friends, thanks so much listening. This is mom brain with alario, Baldwin and Jaffna's mongering is a gallery media group original production.

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She's a smarty petard. I'll tell you that right now. That's great gets it. And i'll tell you lynch sees the world that's what do you fall. Instagram i i literally i just you know. Sometimes you're just like you're just doing you're doing laundry or something and you're like what is it linda evangelista apt to you and you know this because used to be used to have a show all about it. Let's true that we never did her. But that's trajectory self. And i did bad. You haven't done that we serve. Why did you stop doing that. Show i know you have lots of time we got. We were starting to make way too much money. That's just it just started to feel greedy and selfish and you know what i mean. Yeah didn't you got like a huge endorsement from like. Ea sports nike. And mike. My jesus which jumbotron the brands. Yeah under under ice squares at be ori- strips by the way tiffany trump news. But only sort of you ready for. Yeah yes girl someone sent me. 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We only know parade magazine's on the case parade magazine which amazing ads which you have so. I feel like this could apply to them if you've never seen pedes. Aliases performances of those ads on instagram. You're you're really. You really are mistreating yourself. 'cause he'll look at those lifelike dolls and different things like that. And he'll do dialogue with them. And it's absolutely like the commemorative edition diana plates that he does all that stuff Was i going to say. Oh i would always have have a slight texas trying because the audience likes that and i would always have a wet lab approach into what i mean. I have a lip. Glass wet limp. Because it's important that they look at your mouth because they want to feel sort of like. Oh we're all in this together and nothing. Does that better than a wet lip. Do you feel like that crosses all gender do like the men have wet lips also or do you think women. I don't watch the the segments hosted by does everyone know that. 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I really wanna do one if anyone has any connections to qvc or s. you know. i'm just going to send you a green screen and a tripod and then you can just you can go to town and make your dreams come true. I would love it. How did you give me highlights lowlights of texas. Yeah highlights. I stayed in a hotel so that was the big highlight. Who there's a lot you're not saying. No nothing even bad happened. You just got to a point. where so. I was visiting my parents and sleep in your sisters betting longer. My parents i gotta tell you have done a chariots fire with me in a wonderful way. My dad is like beyond cool now and my mom is too. They're just. They're still the same people they've always been so like. Religion is a big part and with my mom you know unpredictability is a big part. But my dad was just so great on this trip and was like you know. I want to tell you like. I don't Nothing is worth having a rift with you again. And you know bring people by and you know keep us up we want to know about your life and blah blah blah blah blah and. He was like. It's just. I'm at an age where it's not worth it and i was like. Could you have been there twenty years ago bitch. But no actually. It was very sweet. I never thought. I never lowered your parents have that. I never thought. I really quick ovid do actually did have something to do with it. And so that was that was the highlight that was the highlight the low lights. Were i mean barbecue. Pu take a minute. Yup barbara barbecue poops were definitely grilled cheese. That was a highlight. Oh what kind of texas toast. Texas toast i got it. Which by the way. If you don't know what. Texas toast is it just means. Look at your bread. Slicer twice as thick. That's right i got to see. My nieces got disciplined. Damn you know answer that they understood given the sex talk because they're not going to get held her they three and four. I gave him that. No sex talk. You know what i mean. Yeah that's right. And i slapped myself in the face in front of them just to say like you're next what i mean. Yeah i do now. So they they understood. They learned they. They've really they've really matured after the children. Don't understand unless you're slapping them at all times. They don't understand what you're saying. Just don't understand it's true but now they know everything and they're excited slapstick came from. It's true that is how you disciplined children and discern point. Children has gotten them to it and they started laughing. That's true that's true. This is a wonderful conversation. I think really adding to the culture into the moment. I don't care about children. Yeah sure but whatever it's like but also like don't have people having kids you know what i mean like. We're we're going to run out of resources there. there's gonna be no water maybe us. That's what we need. That's what you need to be telling toddlers. Listen listen it's all on lot of pressures on you right now. It's all you're taking up a lot of space and a lot of resources so you better figure out real quick how you're gonna leave this place better than you. Then you came in better. You're five that's right. The couldn't do a worse job than the generation that is on. Its way out now. They they really couldn't up the way. The boomers dead. So what is the phrase god. God bless longer something. What that is the phrase. I baked too much. Is that the phrase about god making too many boomers. It is boomer story okay. I'm ready to watch everything in la and now you're you. We missed each other. Well i in la. I was doing all my doctor's appointments and working fulltime job which. I don't recommend trying to do short because the doctors just want you to go see other doctors right. And also you're asking for your test results from the studios and by the way i was like i i was like i need to see the number in front of me. I need to see the background. And he said what kind of drapes. I won't see it unless it's in black and white if it doesn't look like i'm you know whatever. Her name era judy garland. I don't want to see it. Don't show it to me does vhs. Okay no all. The doctors were exhausted. Which understand i mean. They've had a year but my primary care physician wasn't like in the fucking trenches doing covert stuff. You know what. I mean private practice. Beverly hills like girl. I know erupted and it. Wasn't that triple booking quadruple booking people at the same time. Which i'll tell you something. Having worked at a hair salon. I believe the same rules apply. You're gonna fuck yourself by three pm by three pm. You're gonna fuck yourself 'cause if two people are late at nine and your banking on everybody coming at the same time. Done fucked yourself okay. Now you're not gonna have time for that double process. You're not gonna have time for that bank trim. Okay yup you got to whip the the medical league and the hair league into shape. Erin by the way and i can do both at the same time. That's because all the rules apply my my primary care. Physician retired so. I went to his replacement and i was an only once like the replacement only once. And it's my dentist. Everyone else has been awful. And you're just like i don't know you. This feels like this feels like. I didn't have a decision in this process. I don't know you are. He also was like ticket psychedelic. Like i do when you go to a new doctor. Yeah drop lsd first. Then i go into the doctor. And i say i love you to the core and disarm them exactly exactly. I say i don't know what i'd do without you in my life and my love for you. I've never loved anyone harder in my life than i love you right on psychotics silly. He goes he goes. I told him. I was living in new mexico and he was like well. You know we can do video. Conferencing and i was like in my mind. I like finding under doctor immediately. He goes you know. Here's the thing. I don't i don't know my patients and so and by the way i was like why don't know where you're telling this. He's like so if you see me at the century city mall and i'm like with my family and i'm you know my regular clothes and you come up and say hi dr like i'm not gonna know you are. What world are we going to the century city mall biggest problem i have i i go i go i go. I'm glad you're honest about your issue of not being able to remember people's names but you will never see me at the century city mall. Never be there unless buying a rolex and symeonidis and going to tyra banks model land. It's just the gap is still around. Like what am i. I'm not going to sephora bro. I'm not buying a rolex today. I have four underarm hair. My hair by hair is. I'm br grima hair grey as a last place. I'm going exactly. it's the lie. I'm not going to see victoria. Victoria secret did of their redesign. If i need sheets from parachute order them online thank you. I'll tell you what. I'll go for the century city mall. I'm fucking hungary. And i know i'm not gonna make it home for an hour because of because of traffic i will stop. I will take a shit in the public restrooms because they're very nice small in town. It's just also one of the most ridiculous everyone there is a fucking clown. Yeah it's full of whatever. They're whatever type of clowning they're into they're doing it to the max cock complete each person clown fucking. You know. i'm a hipster. I don't care but yet. I'm wearing all the guards on kind of town. Yes a lot of that. They're they're doing it all to the max it's all beverly hills high school. Thank you got interested ever harder across the street and it's right by fox this ya is that what you said see a. I have a friend who tested for the cia. He went through three tests. And how many are there for. I guess as many until you get in. But i guess they said he said the math section was really hard and i was like what in the hell are you talking about. Would you have to do math in the cia. Exactly i guess you do though for what to triangulate. Like jumping out of a plane or something by the way this person's now a doctor so they they're clearly had some sort of smarts a doctor. They can't do math. well. I think it was calculus. I don't think it was like inches doctor. But here's the thing as far as like how much to give you in like what the percentage is. I can't do it so my nurse. Practitioner is gonna come in at that point in our meeting okay. This is all a long way of saying yes. I was in l. a. And then i get here. And i so. We rented an office in santa fe right so that we could get away from everyone rule related to sure. You need that you have to. There's no way we'd get anything done. We have a cute little office downtown. The problem is there's no sink. So i have to take dishes home every week in like a crate and then i have to bring a man. Wow it's really a hassle business. I know i have a catering business basically so i'm carrying a fucking heavy ass plastic cart full of clean dishes and i'm not talking like a glass plate. I'm talking like a full set of dishes. Okay right. it's clanging around salad forks. You know escargot forks. All solid football teaspoons few teaspoons replace settings. Yeah i was. I was i. I'm dusted off the martha stewart. Blobs her for one. Hundred twenty seven. And i and i do that every friday in a lot of work. People don't understand they don't understand lunch. One hundred twenty seven is not easy. It's not easy as a lot of murder law or lot of terrible death. Yeah what can you do. You gotta eat lobster. I mean what. Can you imagine a world in which i wasn't eating lobster my god. It's hysterical. I've never left harder them that. Okay so i'm bringing. I'm bringing all these dishes. They're claiming i'm clearly struggling. Okay because it's fucking heavy and it's hot. And i don't have my hat and i forgot my fucking sunglasses. I don't understand how to live here after being in l. a. and just having like easy breezy like walk outside and it's the perfect temperature so this boomer drives up next to me first of all you know like when you're walking and a car is behind you and you can't see them so he says excuse me really loud from behind me and scares the fuck outta me it's terrifying. And then he goes. Do know where i can get balsamic vinegar of said i go will. There's an olive oil store down the street. But it's one way and you're not going to be able to get there and he goes well. Which way is it. And i go. Not the way you're driving and he was like we'll do you know if they have balsamic and i go. I don't know if they're olive oil. And i would assume the to one bottle of vinegar yet i go. Do you have an iphone. And he said yes i go. That's probably a good place to start to call them. Although i got look why are you fucking google. You fucking boomer. You know in my dream. Scenario the funniest thing still to me. Asana make by the way brian. It was at nine. Am terrific you know my number one. Funniest thing still. Is someone drive. Actually donna one three on their justice. I can have fucking so people can have joined. I mean. I know have been dangerous but just to be like one way street but do it confidently stop writing for all store which may or may not have balsamic vinegar exactly vinegar at nine. Am have options buddy options for you. I mean it is boomer central right. now it's like yeah really upsetting the boomers from all the wrong places or here. If someone stopped me on st cyber can. I get bustling bigger. I would immediately show them my asshole. Because i wouldn't know what else to do. That is so insane question. Also i wouldn't stop because there was also a car behind him. So i kept walking and he wouldn't stop asking questions that i had just answered so i was like it's a one way street. And he's like which way. And i was like not the way you're driving was like how do i get around then i was like i don't know i literally had to describe where all the y. Go take a right then take another right right make a square socially how come down it right. And that's all the license plate in north carolina and i was like god. How the fuck did you get this far. Did you get this far in life. Quit on that state every four years for like north carolina. Blue really no. They're not hunting people who ask about basaltic vinegar and nine. Am joe uses smartphone. Exactly boomers does my boomer. Okay boomer i know have we had enough. I've had enough all right. Well obviously no. I wanna talk about the olympics. Which is getting really bold about. What kind of sewer trash they are. Okay yeah sure early. it's the slalom back committee. I mean instead of fucking you know. Whatever it's just their die the diarrhea that comes out of their brains. Yes that committee can go fuck themselves to mars fuck themselves again and then fuck off into the fucking ocean now double hockey sticks and by the way in dolf dolphins don't even though i know you're on this no cussing thing h. e. double hockey sticks. Okay always to read your screen your adult scripts and just see how fun they artery yourself on there so so. Yeah she double luckier exactly. But then it says it says in the stage directions character says luck you and in the direction it says but not not lucky actually means at the f. word so long description well over explaining what people probably assumed. Yeah yeah love it. you're scripture. What now three hundred four hundred pages about well. Yeah i mean. It's mostly description of what i'm trying to say but like if i'm like why don't you go sit in sit and in the stage directions. I say the second set has an agent. You know which is actually confusing. Because it's not the actual phrase that you did need it right now sit it is sit and sit and spin it is sitting spin. But that's is it occurred word. Nobody exhausting yeah. Yeah yeah speaking of disgusting the olympics committee so okay. Can i just go back in time for a second because i thought this was pretty interesting and i don't by the way this is by no means like any kind of this is just an exploration of how shitty. They've always been an an an opportunity. They had to be better as a committee and as a force of reckoning international athletic talent and have said no. Thank you every single fucking time so in one thousand nine thirty three nazi germany started banning jewish membership and athletic programs including heavyweight champion Eric ceiling daniel prynne Would choose their best tennis champ. And then gretel bergmann who is a world class high jumper just basically they were like no jews. Okay so then. By nineteen thirty six olympics there were no juice representing germany and the olympics by design by fucking design. Okay people knew this. They knew they were discriminating. They knew they were doing some fucking shit. Maybe the world didn't know exactly what the nazis were up to. But the writing was on the fucking wall and so the us and britain who were sending the most athletes to this Olympics in the third thirty six had a chance to boycott and fucking didn't okay. Because everyone's like well what to look like if we bow boycott will that look mean. I don't know they're trying to exterminate a fucking Sect of people. So maybe you shouldn't care about being fucking polite. Okay get jesse owens though which was a big clapback to germany who is like the black athlete american athlete nineteen thirty six gold medals. Yeah yeah because also a no surprise nazi. Germany was also insanely racist. As was this call but yeah and by the way new monsters they were because they hit all their propaganda when all the other countries came in right like he. You know when you're laughing tell your mark. Your room is clean. And then she's she's like you shove everything into the bad but thrown open the closet. Yeah if you don't see it don't see it that's it. It's your fault really so we had a chance to boycott the olympics. And didn't but that doesn't mean that people in the countries that That were going didn't have descent as a matter of fact. We almost had a kinder more inclusive olympics in barcelona that year with something called the people's olympiad which had six thousand participants which was a one hundred percent. Fuck you to nazi germany. Oh we're not participating in this and the fucking thing was cancelled because of the spanish civil war there were like two thousand athletes. That had already arrived in barcelona and then they had to leave. And you think about that and you think about like how the olympics had the opportunity to the right thing then and they didn't do it. They almost got their fucking ass handed to him by the people's the people's olympiad which was clearly hot topic back. Then sell it all the goods and then that didn't that didn't happen because of the spanish civil war and so the olympics were basically like well guess nobody care. You know what i mean. There was no there was no ball fall fall back. There was no blowback. There is no punishment there was nothing they could. Just keep being shitheads. And i think he's also one of the reasons at the olympics is like we all get political. It's like yet no shit and it's actually to a detriment to fucking bunch of people that you don't get politic exactly because everything's political everything is political and then you're just sort of like innocent by not even an nsa. You're just a bystander. Yeah so i mean listen all that to say like there is an alternative to the olympics is just like we gotta do it and obviously they did it. Whoever was behind the people's olympiad did it was six thousand participants that was before cellphones was before the internet. They didn't have that cool muscle tape that you put on. When you're all like ob- sore i'm gonna. I'm gonna put turquoise table over my tries. Yes so the olympics has passed the torture being total bags of rotten writing dick's and we're seeing it in full force now specifically aimed at women of color so go over. I mean there's obviously the big story that we've all heard by now with sha kerry who is banned because they found whoever the judging panel who whoever does the doping testing round teach senior system. The three metrics used to put drugs on the list are do they enhance performance. Which i'll tell you right now as a pot smoker. Absolutely not how she gets out of fucking bed smoking. One ounce of marijuana right do they do. They cause harm to the athlete. Which i think we can agree like smoking's not great but that's not the only way you can ingest it right and are they against the spirit of the sport which i would say absolutely not considering the fact that alcohol is not on fucking list. Right know you need. It's like having a drink after a fucking crazy ass rehearsal. You need to come down a little bit by the way it. She said that she did it. I don't give. i don't care why she did it. But it's doubly sad that she said she did it because a reporter told her that her mom and passed away a reporter broke the news to her and she started smoking because she was having a hard time coping with that and the trials. And so like no fucking shit. She did it and number two. Even if it wasn't for that we'd is proven to be a really good alternative to doing narcotics when you have muscle pain. An injury and also is is can help people cope with the mental stress of being an athlete. It's very very rigorous notches on your body. But your mind. So if they're going to let people get shit faced which will fuck your system up and inflame your shit so fuck it hard and have a promo. Thc the priorities are backwards. His countries where it is like. I wonder if that applies to dutch athletes. Do you know what i mean. Because in countries where it is completely legal and here it mostly is. I think in many states. It's totally legal. Even recreationally so she was in a state that it was legal. And she exactly and probably in every state or nearly every state it's medically legal or getting there. It's just antiquated and it's rooted in it's rooted in control and it's rooted. Also the other thing is that like you know other athletes. Michael phelps have admitted that they smoke but najran during competition and she was not competing. She is not in the olympics record. Our testing her outside of the realms that they can test her and i also don't know how much of this is optics for because it's tokyo because i know tokyo has like it is very taboo there and they have very harsh punishments for people busted with with marijuana. So i don't know how much of it is actually placate the tokyo committee. I don't know. But i don't actually care because when you look at this with the other two stories i'm going to talk about. It's clearly a pattern of racism period. You know if it's one thing you can kind of parse it out and maybe be like okay. Well yes this is true but then maybe they're being more strict because it's tokyo button. Sorry that doesn't apply because there's literally three other stories of them regulating black women in a way that they do not do male white athletes or female white athletes. Okay that's one of them. Because as i mentioned michael phelps if they had tested him before he went and swam he would have his system. But that doesn't mean he's using during the during the fucking competition and he was and he's a gold medalist. Okay right so then we have fina. Which is the government organisation that governs swimming. They just ruled against a swim cap. That was specifically designed for non white hair. Okay so basically against it because okay so the cap just explain. What the cap is i. It's for people with who have a lot of hair swim. Caps can be very tight. Have a lot of hair and so this company soul cap made a swim cap for people and let's be honest. It was for Black women who had long thick hair so that they could swim and keep their natural hair. This is what they said. They said they see the cap cannot be used because it does not follow the form of the natural head. Now hold on a fucking second. If that's not rooted in some kind of fucking what are you. What the fuck deeming. My natural the natural head and all anybody trying to do is put a cap on that natural head. So that that fucking person doesn't get a migraine when they get out of the goddamn water you know what i mean really gross. It's really fucked up. And the fact that they're now backtracking only because the internet was fucking screaming about it is backtracking with. Yes they're like. Oh i guess we could reconsider. Everyone is so fucking afraid that they're going to have a competitive advantage. But what you don't understand is like this is about comfort and this is about letting athletes being a position to perform their best and feel their best. And if you've got a head if you've got equipment that is not inclusive then you've got somebody working at a disadvantage and i wish the olympics started looking at how to even say yes really interesting. No self awareness before you release that. I think they should start. Stop looking at how competitive advantages and start looking at. How people are disadvantaged and start helping them to to be able to compete in a way that they feel heard seen taking care of because by the way if the if the olympics is so called a political then you should be having. You should be making everyone in there. Who is obviously a top athlete. Well here's the other thing that's happening. So as christine moma and beatrice mass lean gear were scrutinized in of really dehumanizing way in italy during the Their trials their runners by world. Athletics for having high levels of testosterone. Which means by the rules that they can't run in the four hundred sixteen hundred meter races. This is the same rule that was used against caster. Semenya who and francine neon saba and margaret one. Boy oh star. Athletes who have higher level of testosterone than their bodies which perfectly okay right. It is not an indicator of of your sex race. If you have more testosterone your body than if you're then if you don't Gender testing like this. Sorry i guess. Sex testing really came out of this is all born out of fear. And it's all borne out of the sixties. Okay because in the sixties in nineteen sixty eight. Everyone was fucking scurred. That the soviets we're going to send male athletes dressed as women to compete in the women's sports to get more medals so what they started doing is straight up strip searches of athletes to make sure that they were female. Nobody was strip searching the men to make sure that they were men. There from surging ended after complaints. They were like oh. I guess we had figure out a different way to do this. So they started doing chromosomal testing. Which aren't accurate because there's conditions like androgen insensitivity syndrome. Where you can literally your you. I mean your chromosomes could be all wack but you're still female or still male brand should be able to and then there's also i just learned there's one tiny piece of dna. That's basically like the switchboard for for sex. And so if you take that dna away from me an adult assist gendered woman if you take this. Dna way from my cells myself start producing male hormones mail Starts acting mail. So you think about this tiny fucking microscopic thing that's keeping you from one gender what once x. or the other and you're like this doesn't fucking matter. This is not fucking matter on it. I don't want to let go of all of this. It's so stupid. The olympics are holding the torch for stupid ideas. And they're making women paul. They're women are bearing the this and specifically all of these women are black right. Every single one of them sure k. Bearing the bronze of racism and sexism and all the problems in the olympics and keeping up this honestly the standard of what. An athlete should and shouldn't be which is like binary and caucasian right. And so you see all this shit going on right. All the all the testosterone testing You can't wear a swim cap that fits well. You can't come to the because you've smoked smoked weed because you were sad because your mom died and all of this shit is done under the guise of competitive advantage. Do they have a competitive advantage. While nobody's taking into account the actual competitive advantages. That happen when you talk about financial ability to afford to practice access to clean water healthy food equipment. Coaching all of this shit that actually does create a competitive advantage and nobody is regulating that totally totally. Especially if you're a bypass in this country and then you rise to top level athleticism. It's not like it. listen. All i'm saying is these athletes did it. It's like i forget the name of the athlete but which she turned her back to the flag in a because these athletes do it in spite of this country not because of this country to rise to a top level to top to the premier athlete. Nowadays it may not have been like this a long time ago it just was completely segregated even more racist a long time ago but nowadays to rise to any sort of level of athleticism. You do have to have money. that's it. i heard a interview this morning about scholars like you could. Yeah i mean mean. Some of these people work at best buy. That's what i mean. That's what i mean. And like a lot of these sports went from anyone can do them. And it's equal opportunity. Which of course never really true but the it went from that to a country club sports. You have to have money. You have to have the right coach. You have to be available. You have to not have another job. It just is having us. How be a champion fucking horse writer. If you don't have access to that shit that's what i mean. That's why these women really these the bipasha athletes really make it in spite of all of that. I know. and that's why. I'm saying let's look at the actual shit that is that is a competitive advantage and not these trivial fucking bullshit things because all it's doing is enforcing racism. You're making shit harder on people who already have been right literally. And and and poetically jumping over hurdles to pursued have nothing range you with their sport. That's the other thing right. And then the access you're still dealing with the culture that is baseline broken. Well listen here's the thing l. a. actually is in a very interesting position right now. We're all seeing the shit. Go down and they could be like. We're not holding the olympics. We're not gonna do it. And here's why la is primed to say no and they won't fucking do it okay because we know l. a. It's like i got. I got to do other stuff. That guy moon juice cleanse. I gotta do or roenick asset cranial sacred massage absolute al. How cool would it be if they put down the chlorophyll water for a second and the charcoal toilet paper. Sure and said hey. Why don't we say no to olympics because we don't like this race racism. Shed be kind of cool. Actually went to end with a clip from margaret One boy she's one of the athletes who has been prevented from and she has been prevented from running. Because basically the deal is that you have to take testosterone blockers in order to compete. And so this is her talking about how she feels about all this since. I was a kid a desk going knowing that this is my career now so for now i feel so disappointing. That truly kit for me for me. I'm not going to take medication. 'cause i'm not sick and even if entertain us now to take the medication those are those are chemicals that you're putting on your body off which you don't know at the end of it what you come to affect you rita. Okay we yes we can. We can take for the just for the competition then. This is not the end of it. 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But i i know this is so you're just scrolling through like business. I don't know that's the bathroom hideous. That's another bedroom applying wrong slope. Where's the faucet. I don't know i feel on this. Do you see it now. Is it in the shoe. Dot is in the shit. I did not. I have to be honest with you. I was not prepared for it to be purple. Realize it is disgusting absolutely yeah. I've got another leak in the shoe. Yeah you know what there's a chip in it. Can you bring over. can you bring over. That prince purple. Pay my shoe. Purple porcelain filler. Thank you thanks so much. It might be a hard color to match. That is where where where. Oh you don't know where it is. Does it say let me see if it says bruno california. I'm not sure exactly where that is. But by the way this was designed by that one guy on trade. So i can't remember his name but he did that for sure. I'm in of the designers. Yes who would always do weird weird shit like that. I was he bowled. Yes yes. I know exactly. You're talking about san bruno. California is south of sanford way. South of san francisco is between san mateo and san francisco. That's tech money. Gone wild could be is. It looks expensive but also ridiculous. Wow why all those primary colors no idea. It feels like a kindergarten. It does fully. Okay so sunday night with the bt awards And obviously do you see any of them. Specifically the little nasdaq's. I saw the price incredible. Yeah yeah he continues to just knock it out of the park living his truth not giving a shit first time. This has happened on. Bt read two men kissing each other like this person has happened on any music. joe. And i'm about to get there two thousand nine adam lambert. Did this very same thing. And i'll tell you a little bit about how the reaction then was very different. But i thought the performance was great. He was doing a big nod luna's x. wise to remember the time the music video which like the senate is michael jackson the referenced as your probably not but it wasn't beautiful music. Oh definitely and the performance was great. It was lona zack's in sort of a phero themed performance surrounded by really honky guys. Who were his backup dancers and everything and a it got a lot of reaction mostly good obviously some of the like bullshit homophobic lame shed but mostly children watching little now vaccine iraq but mostly really good diddy tweeted a wonderful tweet. Low gnaws. Did that be fearless. He was so excited about it and taken syrah tweeted a big thing. A couple of people didn't and did the played the children card and they'll nasdaq's tweeted. I'm sorry but the thought of people sitting there kids down in the living room and telling them gay people exist is so hilarious to me which is absolutely true. The fact that like you would see two men kissing and it's like what are we telling our children that's absolutely. Yeah oh my god what. How do we do this. How do we do this and also just like imagining parents being like so listen but you saw was two men kissing in that as gay they would be like. Oh okay cool. But not as them down to be like any having any other problems with this by the way if you're not sitting down having conversations children about this then you're not sitting down having conversations. Cheer jesus check. Our today. Couldn't agree more. Thank you quota okay. So as i said before. Adam lambert did this in two thousand nine at the american music awards i he did it for his first single off his debut album right after american idol and the song is called for your entertainment I don't think adam lambert has obviously an incredible voice. It's not his. Music has never really spoken for me. But i think what makes perfect sense is he fills in. He's the lead singer now for queen which makes perfect sense because he can do. He has the freddie mercury thing. His voice isn't credible he's gotten insane range he's very really puts it all out there and it's a big performer. And and it's a natural fit for him and i think that's fantastic. But for adam lambert billboard talked to him about this performance about gnaws xs performance and adam lambert said. I thought it was hot. I mean he's really giving it to us. I think he's definitely like the gay pop star. That is twenty twenty one. he's bold. he's controversial he's pushing boundaries. That's what we want. Our pop starts to do is just taking this long to have it be a gay one. So when adam lambert did this two thousand nine the next morning he was supposed to go on good morning. America and what happened is adam. Lambert kissed a guy during his performance. Good morning america in two thousand nine cancels him from appearing on the show because they were too afraid of what the reaction would be from conservative people who were outraged and big time. We're like our children. Don't deserve to see this in prime time. Which is you're watching a music awards for you. You're all here's the thing. Your kids are washington award. Show if you're worried about the morning. Your kids are not watching. Good morning america correct correct. They're not having their coffee watch. Good morning america robbing. They're fucking suitcases. You know what. I mean or like briefcases. They're not putting their legal pad in there. They're not watching. Good morning. america. And adam lambert at the time really just barely getting his starts in music as a solo performer. This was a huge get for him to be on the american music awards. It was literally just a kiss and he was banned from abc for awhile. From appearing on the network and christian parent groups writing in sensors freaking out and adam lambert said the thing i found so funny was sensors. It's a kiss. When was that in decent so then after good morning america canceled on him he went on cbs. This morning show which i think was called the early show then. I don't know what i don't know. Sometimes it's no yeah it is. I think it's at one point of the early showed a one point. Cbs this morning should be calling it. We're doing it to. I don't know what true if you don't know if you remember. I don't know what they're calling it now but anyway on this show that he ended up getting booked on after good morning america cancelled. They were trying to draw. A comparison of madonna kissing britney and christina. Remember at the mtv awards with what adam lambert dead at the american music awards showing a side by side picture of these things. Except adam lambert's kissing the guy. They had black bars over their mouths. But not on madonna and britney. Did he call them out. I don't know that he called him out. He didn't actually. I think it was really between a rock and a hard place. Because i'm sure his team was like you're starting out in this business and you have got to do recon on this like you've got to fix him. His very young and you know just came off of american idol. Like i said i add so. Yeah their mouths were censored. When madonna's in britney's Were not and when he recalls that he says. I just remember thinking that that's the biggest slap in the face and also that when they did that it proved my point. There is a double standard. It's was blatant and obvious. Two women kissing was not indecent. Two men kissing was and again. The reason for that is because idiot. Dudes run the world and for a very long time and still do maybe to a little bit less of an accent but still primarily do run the gays jay. Do you know what i mean. Two women kissing his hot for a guy. It's not humane kissing. Not anybody do that. Yeah exactly so so. It's not a comparison 'cause as we came out with When fucking madonna. Put that picture up saying did it. First or whatever. You didn't do shit. You really not queer. You're not gay exactly. You didn't kiss that you did it. Your two girls at a bar right. Who were like won't guys like this. What you did. And by the way you didn't do it. I because i literally thought my entire college and basically after college and it was never done for pleasure. It was only for the male gaze. So you didn't do shit. I and take that away from anybody else. And their spotlight is so like narcissist move one. Oh one yup. And i gotta say and adam lambert continued to say it's par for the course for a female popstar to put on a performance like that then. Why can't a gay male pop star do the same. I hope that double standard is very clear to people and again i would say what what is frowned upon is because the laws ex did do a very sort of gaga janet jackson kind of thing and i do feel like male pop sexy very sexy and i do feel like male popstars. Don't really ever get to do that. Or maybe they don't want to or maybe just tarnishes the image of masculinity or something. But you don't see justin bieber doing performance like that when you think of like our justin bieber completely completely you would really would. You would only see terms of male pop. Stars michael johnson. Doing something like that. I also think that's why boy bands were kind of like a big deal. Because they did right they had for your email as you know totally exactly or non white male straight gaze. Whatever you wanna put it exactly. But so adam lambert really courageously actually in this two thousand nine interview never apologized for his performance and but he definitely did feel the pressure to capitulate a little bit and to sort of toa line of like look maybe a little too far but i don't regret it and i don't really think it was that big of a deal but and i think that where he's dead on is he also says in two thousand nine social media was not then what it is today and social media for as fucking annoying as it is and it's fucking problematic and all of this. It is a has been a huge bonus in terms of forward movement on lgbt plus rights. We have come so far in a decade in terms of like even said honestly two men kissing sort of old news and a great way in a great way. They're still obviously many problems. But like yeah. That really shouldn't be that big of a deal and this time. I'm so glad it wasn't like no little nasdaq's did that and Most of the reaction has been positive as it should be. Because it's fucking great song and it was a great performance and by the way the kiss was hot. I wonder if told them he was going to do it or if we just did it i bet he just did it. I wasn't like in the rehearsals. Like now i'm gonna kiss this other guy His i feel like even then they would. They might have censored him. John like even now i feel like he had to probably spring it on. I mean i don't know. I'm just like totally guessing but i feel bad for an adam. Lambert that he also that he didn't have anybody on his side on his team. Because otherwise if you have somebody. That's what i do. Think also a little nasdaq's like i'm not trying to take away anybody's fierceness but it does fucking help when you have people around you going. I fucking love you. And i care about you and i support you when you know what i mean like. If you have people who are like my money ticket is going to is going to dry up. And they're putting that shit on you and how you behave. That fucking sucks and it's really hard to do what adam lambert would've loved to do what do love to have done which is to call them out and be like why are you. Why are you censoring my mouth. He did have two great kind of clapback during this interview. In two thousand nine. Where when maggie rodriguez who's a co host of. The shows asked whether he felt some responsibility for the children. Viewing him in primetime. He's looked right outer and he goes. I'm not a babysitter. It's absolutely true and then later they asked. If you could change anything about would you. What would you have done differently. And he was like. I think my could could've been better. Which like fuck yeah. So congrats the little accent every truly and also adam lambert. Sorry they did you so dirty into as late as two thousand nine but think we were just sort of the idea of just mass acceptance for two men kissing by the way we're not there but is definitely better than it was. Yeah citing a little nauseous. I think he's just created a fucking like ripple changed totally and you have to be some kind of person really like adam lambert was to be like. We'll know i'm doing this. I am going to do this. the differences will x. Really did have one of the biggest heads of the century i think. The biggest of the century Old town road was at number one for longer than any other song at bir ever. Isn't it awesome to see him. Use his power to do that. I made cool totally. So like i i love it when people fucking just honestly him being exactly who is will change so many kids lives. Yeah tony title and an adam. Lambert doing that on tv. Who knows maybe a little exile that and was like oh shit. That's what i want to be doing. You know what i mean. It also shows how much we've regressed or maybe just also been we're so weirdly conservative at the power of religion because what got a lot more controversy in blowback was the fact that is video set in hell was like. Are you serious. 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 Is former Elite boss Gerald Marie the Harvey Weinstein of the fashion industry?

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28:42 min | 10 months ago

Is former Elite boss Gerald Marie the Harvey Weinstein of the fashion industry?

"The today an investigation into the former model agency false charlotte murray who has been accused of sexual assault by more than a dozen women. It was nineteen seventy nine and eighty eighty really. That happened but i was an aspiring young model teenager. Living in the suburbs of toronto in a place called downs view. Wendy walsh in scouted and asked to fly to paris to sign up to one of the world's most prestigious modeling agencies seventeen years old and we flew over in the spring of nineteen eighty and we went to the asian agency On home told sharon once back she was introduced to the agency's boss jerem murray and he said let me take you and your mother out too much and i remember it distinctly because it was the very first time i had ever had a caucus shoe and he was explaining to me. What a cockney shoe is. And i realize now. He's a fancy grilled cheese sandwich. Chanel in it. And i remember distinctly him fawning over my mother i remember. He held her hand. He reached over and held her hand with stroking it and something in my seventeen year. Old stomach with like these weird but what what adults were saying on the surface didn't match what i was experiencing my stomach so my brain was going with what the adults debt he told her. Worry i will take care of your little girl. She will be very safe with me. Should be very safe in our agency. But wendy says she wasn't safe and neither allegedly were many of the other young models who came into contact with gerald marie guardians lucy. Osborne has spent the past year investigating planes. The former boss of elite model management was a prolific sexual predator from the guardian. I'm initiatives donna. Today in focus. How was gerald. Marie able to allegedly abuse models for decades. I'd like to start with a warning. This podcast contained swearing and descriptions of sexual abuse that some listeners may find upsetting lucy to start with. Can you tell me about the fashion seed in paris. In one thousand nine hundred eighty s and how jerrell murray fit into it. Paris was at the center of the fashion world. It was the place to be if he wants to make it. As a model so an invite for one of murray's agencies to move to paris was like a golden ticket for any model and why dozens of girls and young women every year traveled all around the world. Meet a little beautiful goes all day. Long some pop out because they have something else to say. Oh something else. That is their to express themselves to each joined. The modeling agency parry planning in the mid seventies when he was about twenty five and five years later by the time he was thirty he was running the agency regular basis. And the some motos tommy. He could get you books or unbooked at vogel l. With just a click binga in nine hundred ninety. Six power planning merged with leeds and jamboree became this european president and by the nineties. Elite was the world's leading modeling agency and is representing in niamey. Kumbo cindy crawford had christianson and most other supermodels that you can think they they'd be getting tired of hearing about it but just about everybody else is talking about supermodels in the big box. They may. According to women's wear daily. An average rate. The divas can command. For a paris runway go like this claudia schiffer is at the top at seven thousand dollars followed close behind by linda. Evangelista naomi campbell and cindy crawford at six thousand dollars. Marie married linda evangelista. Who was one of the top supermodels at the time was married to her. Until nineteen ninety-three. The lucky man is gerald marie the forty year old co owner of europe's elite modeling agency. He dropped by toronto's international top models discount. Some new talent with his gorgeous wife could his side. How many models would have been on the books. La and how were they being scouted. I've spoken to dozens of women who traveled across the world to paris. Trying make as a model with one of marines agencies each year there were dozens if not hundreds of models who would make that journey whether it was to work for one of murray's agencies or another agency maria that she himself going scouting trips all around the world and governed meet these models. Meet that parents. Like we see with wendy. There are stories. I've had of young girls being spotted on beaches that shopping malls this time particularly when you get to. The ninety s was fake. Glamorous and a well a lot of young girls who came to get into do we know how old typically these models were. I've spoken to him in that. Were as young as thirteen or fourteen when i started modeling. The oldest woman. That i've spoken to i think was about twenty three time. It is worth noting that none of the women that i've spoken to a french ads so they didn't often didn't understand the language they went for many with the coach. They may be away from her for the first time in their lives. So i think that that. Serve and nabil's some of this behavior to happen. Wendy signed up to the agency and a few months later moved to paris. What was it like for her when she first got wendy ride. Extremely excited an infinitive anticipation. For what lay ahead of her that. Very first morning. I woke up at four in the morning and i climbed out a tiny little slanted window in my room at the top of this pencil and actually climbed out onto the roof and i sat there watching the sunrise in paris and i could see the whole city before me and i was filled with so much excitement. And so much hope for my future in. She'd been told explicitly that he was gonna become star that she was going to be made into this one of the next models. I was not scared. One little bit. Because i trusted all the adults who are going to take care of me and make me a famous model and i really was so thrilled that my future lay out ahead of me. I met sun rose on paris that day but the reality was quite different. She was put up in department. That wasn't particularly glamorous app to share with another model. She didn't find work straightaway. You know she had sort of pound the pavements like other models and was turned down for jobs and she was invited to parties as well in the evenings. a big of A lot of the women that i've spoken to have said was they were expected to get these parties and dinners at night which describes as being filled with playboys and vice lazy rich playboys in very glamorous apartments with big bowls of cocaine everybody drunk. There was no business being done. There were no photographers. There was she being advised. The guy that she's being told by because at harry's agency yes To these parties in. She was told that they would be good fat correa but she'd go to them and then she realized that there was no-one there that could help career with businessmen old old playboy. She described them. My sister-in-law was cleaning out some boxes in the basic during quarantine and came up with a letter that i had written to my mother around this time and it was probably right before the incident. Or maybe right after. Because i said i didn't tell my mother what happened but i told her that it was a sleazy business and that they were making young girls act like prostitutes. And so i'm gonna send you that letter in my little squirrelly girl handwriting. Was she working directly with marie. She was seen at the office but it wasn't until a party in someone's house. I believe where she could have had her first proper interaction with marie. The party took place in little kitchens and spilled out onto bedrooms in very tiny paris. Apartments people are sitting around on the bench. Drinking wine to gerard was sitting on the bed remember. He looked up to me and he's a career and i went over and he put his hands through my hair. This is good. This is good. This is what i like. Hugh members him putting his hands through her hair and complimenting her and telling her what he'd like to do with her hair and i thought he was my boss telling me you're gonna get a lot of work now and you'll be able to pay off this dach- lots of clients who will book. That's what i heard. She was told by hasheem uppercut that murray wanted to see her again at his apartment. Dr wants to meet with you. Need to go to his apartment tonight. And i'm thinking again. Oh my god finally. This is my big break. She's excited she thought. Okay we'll finally echo Meeting with my boss so hopefully my career will start picking up out again stupid girl you know you could say with. The wise is grown up Business meetings don't take place at apartments at nine o'clock at night when you're seventeen and leaving all around you knew your told you. She wants cost peres. Nine o'clock at nights ago mayhem. And she describes getting up the steps to his apartment and remember in paris. You hit the light switch at the bottom of the stairs and the lights come on the dark stairway you work your way up and i stood outside his door and the lights stay on for three minutes and i knocked knocked enough to knock manila lights. Went out and i was standing darkness and the not scrambling around looking for a light switch. So i could get the lights on again and i waited another three minutes for the light. That's how i know how long i waited and i knocked knocked knocked so for six minutes. I waited as his door. Names not there. So she gave up eventually went back to her apartment and got cool from hypothetically same theme of of he told us back he said he fee now went up to standards again and i waited and then the door opens and this beautiful young teenage model leaves she sort of smiling and giggling and she kisses him on both cheeks and goodbye and walks past me. She gets into the apartments and quite quickly he's offering champagne and making some charming conversation Saying that he heard that she was catholic and he was two and she says that that was almost like trying to make her feel comfortable somehow. He was conflicting. She says he was like a trusted. Pass in my club tribe and then we can minute hand was down my shirt and he was grabbing my breast and he was saying to me. You were the only model in the agency with large breasts. I love it. You see immediately fouts endangering trying to get out of it and it a polite way. He didn't want to use it when to make angry wallet. Thinking of how. Can i maintain this relationship because if i make this man angry i'll never get work again. She describes it as bargaining with him. Like a sweet young naive go. He's afraid of people have power trying to say no but you don't know how and then he took my hand and he started walking me just across the living room to a little bedroom and became numb. I became like a robot. Like i just laid there and kept my clothes off and i said i'm not an apparent. I went off the pills. So i could lose weight for my mom and portfolio and he said that's okay i understand. That's when she says he took effect lies in any writer and her. I remember one thing. Distinctly chew members face burden appello and it spending if someone else's caffeine and then afterwards he literally got off me and literally slapped my little. Come on get up get dressed and then you the whole time. He was laughing and happy. That i was so fun for him and she remembers the events quite specifically afterwards as well. She says murray grabbed a bunch of bananas from his kitchen and handed hawan Asking her if she was sharing a room with the other canadian hoping that she was and he gave her an honest to take back for her in the dark. Whatever time it was now eleven. Eleven thirty i walked all the way home feeling social change and so humiliated not wanting to anybody and i got back to the apartment and i gave the banana to my roommate and i said that he fuck you. That's the language we used at the time. And she said yes and i realized he was working his way through. All the new faces at the agency is pretty clear. Isn't it that one day was not the only woman. Allegedly being abused by murray. Who else have you spoken to their sixteen women now who have come forward publicly with allegations against moore aid six of those alleged rapes and two of those were from women. He will underwriting at the time. None of these women knew each other at the time despite some of them being in paris it at the same time. They didn't know each other and they weren't aware of each other's experiences but the cetinje clay pots and that's emerging for more of their stories at least hand of the alleged instance to place in mary's apartment and sometimes that was models. He was staying his apartment because they oversee away from is actually quite common at the time agents to have muddle. Stay with them of times. They'd be towed by mary's employees to attend a meeting at his apartment late night or to meet his apartment head of an agency dinner. So for instance caritas. He was taught model from the late eighties and nineties. She was staying in mary's spare room and she alleges that from the age of seventeen. She was repeatedly raped by marie when she was staying there. The the same goes for on maguire. She was also staying at mary's apartment at when she had just said that she was repeatedly rights by marie. Those shown a lay who alleges that when was fifteen. She was raped spy in his apartment. she'd being at a nightclub with some of the other models when she met marie anne. Marie offer to give her lifetime instead of taking a home. Heat cut back to his apartment. Which actually the apartment he was. Then sharing with the supermodel lender eventually sta. She remembers feeling that sort of sense of security. I think knowing that marie was married to one of the top supermodels at the time And even with the alleged incident. She felt that she would be safe. Whatever issues came up again and again in the stories. The key theme turnage from the women's stories is how the alleged incidents were linked to that korea's generally women who he allegedly successfully attacked would later have their silence rewarded with lucrative or high profile modeling jobs and then the ones who escaped or tried to report him so that jobs taken away from them and decorated threatened as a result. It's sometimes marie would would use language like you know i'm going to bet you star. He made it clear that if they were to say anything that he had the power to do something to impact that careers. One of those that stand out is the case of jay moran in the days off to she alleges. She was rights by marion his apartment. She received a cool from hubka telling her that she had a a well paid job in belgium and needed to get on a train. Straightaway moran says now that she believes that was a clear message that if you play this game and you stay quiet and you'll get work a other women as well they can see for the story also say that in the days that followed marie and gave them very lucrative jobs jobs. They hadn't hadn't got before all were clearly has to step up from what they've been doing about the women who say but they were able to push him off one of the the more recent accuses loy marsden. She describes him attempting to right path and being able to leverage herself out from underneath him an escape the following monday. When she was back in the office she describes saying ray and his his is being black. She says excessive cooling and cooling an editor at a magazine in front of her in canceling. All three of bookings dad and laurie says that it was very clear that he was punishing Not doing as he had wanted. Clearly there are lots of consistencies in these allegations. You mentioned the sheriff. Murray was married to linda evangelista. At the time these women alleged they were assaulted and raped by him. Some of them in the apartment. He and evangelista shad. Has she said anything about these allegations. Yes so spoken with intervention. Stir she was came to publicly show support for the growing numbers of women who are now coming forward with stories about her husband in the guardian. She told me during my relationship. Show marie. i knew nothing about these sexual allegations against him. So i was unable to help these women herring now based on my own experiences. I believe that they are telling the truth. It breaks my heart because these are wounds. That may never heal an. I admire their courage and strength speaking up today. Presumably it was difficult for her to sign anything on incredibly difficult to understand. What may have happened. Historically i take supermodels haven't really spoken out about this kind of behavior. This alleged behavior. I think it was very brave of eventually. Stood to to say something This suggestion for many of the women that she knew what was going on at the time. But i think it does say a lot that she's stature is prepared to speak publicly in support of the women in against a that. She was married to help make her career as well. Do you have any sense of the scale of allegations to one person. I spoke to for the most recent story. Described azure marie as the harvey weinstein the fashion industry. And that's something that. I've actually had several times before from other industry. Insiders t coming up. Why has it taken so long for these allegations to be taken. Seriously they see. Do you think other people in the agency knew what was allegedly happening. I have spoken to several agents. And because that with mary over the years and i think a lot of them is worth noting were were also very young. They will also often from the states and canada and not native to franz paris. And i think some of the new. And i think there's a lot of guilt and there was a huge power imbalance with boss gerald marie but there were clearly many people. He needs allegations at the time. And did nothing you in people that i haven't been able to get through to. This isn't the first time allegations of come out in one thousand nine hundred nine. There was a bbc investigation into murray. He was filmed saying he hoped to seduce. The contestants at the elite model look competition and the bbc journalist who was reporting undercover as a model he apparently offered to pay her for sex. What happened after that. Following the allegations he was suspended from the agency an interview. The time he said i'm destroyed. I'm finished but elite launched a reliable libel action against the bbc arguing that it was dishonesty attitudes and the agency successfully made the case that marie had been up the case was settled in. The bbc apologized conceded that its patrol was unfair and the fo subsequently disappeared and murray was reinstated elite and continued to run elite model. Look the competition young models for many more years. What is doing now show. Marie is an investor in a french agency. Could we model management is a prestigious paris agency. He's models from louis. Vitton campaigns appear on vogue covers. Marie told us that he was retired. And the company said that. Marie currently an employee but documents suggest that he is still an investor with a significant control of the company. He doesn't work with elite anymore. But as you mentioned he's still in touch with the modeling industry. Has there ever been a criminal investigation now. The has it and like several of the other men who have been accused of sexual misconduct from the modeling industry. None of them have been held to account yet but in in september french prosecutors announced that they opened an investigation into him after formal complaint was submitted by one woman and supported testimonies of three others and said i've been told that several more accusers have submitted testimonies to the french prosecutor. The akita's lawyer and collision has told me that none essay fall within the front statue of limitations. Which is between twenty and thirty years and it's unlikely that he'll face trial unless an accuser comes forward from within that time period the june says the investigation is still important because it shows that victims voices have finally being had and if there are other victims out bad that stood action that they can take. What about the women who have climbed assaulted them what they told you about how this has affected their lives is clearly had a huge impact on on their lives in. It's it's different depending on which remember there's certainly had several women who have battled eating disorders. I e Following the alleged abuse a lot of these women voters said that they suffered with jargon alcohol abuse for some years Wendy describes how the impact that it's had on on her relationships and being able to trust people in something. I've had again quite a few times. I think it's worth noting though that most of these women that i've spoken to for these investigations identity dangling. Well they've gone on to be extremely successful. Wendy and laurie mastered another of the accuses. Went onto become trained psychotherapists. And wendy is now will say a well-established radio host in america. We've been talking about the eighties and the nineties which feels like another lifetime many ways and yet we recently did our own investigation into the industry to find out what is like now and i have to say i was struck. By how precarious modeling is these models are having to compete for jobs that are often unpaid even the most high-profile jobs and they're often sent on shoots photographers houses with no one really looking out for their safety. It feels if even today there isn't really that protection against a more predatory side of this industry. The fact the show of marie and others from the industry here have had these allegations against the fact that they've never been held to account for that alleged crimes a methodist does speak volumes to the hasn't really been an overhaul of how a modeling agencies operate so. I think that it's it's unlikely that mistreatment of motorists can have just disappeared overnight when when it hasn't ever really been interrogated. Be night behold. I think until these issues are properly addressed i. I can't see how miraculously that the modeling industry is is suddenly a phar- and fat place models to be. I wouldn't be a tool surprised if some of this alleged behavior is still going on and yet how one thing that has changed. Dramatically is the ability for people to speak out and not only in terms of direct allegations but through social media about the industry more widely. I think one of the reasons why sara murray and allegedly other modeling agents were able to behave in this way was because of the extreme power the modeling agencies had then there wasn't a social media they would have complete control over the models but also the fashion houses in the magazines like vogue an al because he could let you pick up. The you're having this go on you. Having this go the agencies at the time had so much power whereas today in the modeling industry win social media. Instagram models have more power but then it also means they haven't goes much protections. I i think that there were also issues today. That the different to the ones that were dying on in the eighties and nineties. The organizations that have can t that are trying to protect models. These days say that there needs to be better standards in the modeling industry to probably be able to protect models today. Please see osborne. thank you very much. Thank you responding to the new allegations. Put to him. By the guardian gerald murray's lawyer said that he was extremely affected by the accusations made against him which he contests with the utmost firmness they added he intends to actively participate in the manifestation of the truth within the scope of the open criminal investigation. Elite modelling went bankrupt in two thousand and four and split into two both new corporate entities have sought to distance themselves from alleged past abuses and have condemned the sort of behavior. We have been talking about. Do go to the guardian dot com to read reporting on all of this. My thanks to her. To wendy walsh into all the other women who spoke to lucy for this investigation. I also urge you to listen to a today. Focus podcast that we made last month called the ugly side of the modeling industry where models and former models talk to us about exploitation within the industry. Meanwhile the world has lost footballing legend diego. Maradona the guardians football weekly. Podcast has recorded a special episode. Do listen that's all for now. This episode was produced by hanna. More sound design was by nicholas cox the executive producers on a cul jackson and phil may not be have a lovely weekend. We'll be back on monday

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Ep 154: (Still) The Godfather of Hair

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Ep 154: (Still) The Godfather of Hair

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And I don't usually get the social interaction when people are there to meet, you and know who you are can be a little bit weird. So I would go up to people be like, hi, I'm Jen. And they'd just look at me like, yeah. I know. And then I'd be like and your name is because everybody's like so excited, but the. We know so much about you. And I kind of get now from interviewing celebrities not that we're frigging celebrities by means I'm just saying like it's weird to know so much about someone before you enter a conversation. I hear you're saying like half, the we'll actually know what I did talk about with a lot of people. But whether or not it could do my own makeup at my wedding because everybody had an opinion on that. What was like if I know everyone had an opinion, but was the general like a relieving? Yes. Or no, the general was that. I'm the type of person who will be relaxed by it. And I have the knowledge won't stress me out. So go for it. But I saw a lot of girls wedding pictures. So they would show me like, oh, I did my own or someone else did it and show me the picture. So I was getting a little inspiration. They okay. That's good. Yeah. Good. It was so much fun. I had a great time. And we definitely want to be doing more of these. Yeah. This kind of like interactive community building thing is just it it fills, my heart. And I know that everyone had a great time, and you know, a one more tidbit share. Yeah. Which I thought was crazy one of our listeners. She used to do a bunch of subscription boxes for beauty. She still tries a lot ducts. I tell you about this. Yes, she has tell everyone. She has a Google worksheet or an accelerate. She where she lists every beauty product. She's using at the moment. And then has like a rating scale of how she likes it. And I was just like this is too much work, which you not it's not work for her it soothes her. It's like a like someone might have a hobby for crafting or yarn where they collect little things the beauty stuff is her collection. Isn't that cool? That's really cool to any of you guys do that. I know that there was like a skin-care read it thing once where people would upload their like excel sheets if they're skin-care things, but every beauty product. That's impressive. Yeah. I got a I remember her name, and I'm gonna find her and see if maybe she'll share with us on the blog that would wouldn't it? That would be really good. I'm got if you're out there Email us at info at that mascara dot com and remind me who you are. You guys are great. Remember your hair? Remember your glasses? I remember you have plants in your living room. You have plans to your living room? I know we bonded. Thanks for coming. Those of you who came and we'll do another one soon. We already have some things in the works. And we'll let you out. The product. That is just it will not die is mythical. It's confusing yet omnipresent. It's Bela Zeke Russia are shea or Rocher show. We're going to say once and we're going to move on. It's gonna call ability rush Rocher, we really should know this P fifty lotion. And we've had dermatologists on talking about it before and the difference between the different types of it. But you guys still have questions. Don't you? Yeah. I, you know, in the fat mascara Facebook fan group guys if you're not in it. This is like it's fat miscarriage twenty four seven lots of hot topics, and you guys are amazing at at offering service and hips for each other go to our link tree on her Instagram page, just click on the link tree, and we'll have all kinds of options for you get discounts. Visit our Facebook thing there's a direct link to join our Facebook group click on it, and you can join the conversation now back to the topic at hand this P fifty conversation is like on fire in the Facebook group. And I thought. Maybe let's just take a step back and talk about what it is. Because everyone seems to have different opinions and like reviews on it. Yeah. I don't want opinions here. I want facts he fifty lotion. So p fifty lotion it's one of I going to call it the all right now what if be ours most popular products, and it's the cornerstone of every single Biard treatment in regimen. You don't need to have the whole thing. But I just want to let you know, how it fits into the thing. Now the original formula, which is lotion p fifty nineteen seventy that was founded before even the brand launch. That's just a little bit of trivia now, what are the benefits because like everyone wants this like they want it. But they don't even know why they didn't. And we say lotion, by the way, this is a lotion in the French sense of the word like an essence is liquid. It looks like what you would call a toner back in the day. Right. Totally. That's a great point. So this does to your point. It does so much more than toning it balances, and expose leads the skin and it also like hydrates it at tones it. Roll CBA balances skin. And that it says they claim that it also improves can do skin conditions like Whitehead's and black heads, and it could even prevent ingrown hairs. You might want to use it post-shave. If you're a man or maybe maybe can even use it down there. I don't know or on your armpits. I mean, you're talking about the nineteen seventy version or all the versions. I think that's all the versions. Correct. They giant talking about all of the. Yeah, they just each of them has a different mix of acids because I would say the big difference between this and other lotions. Essence is the exfoliating properties. Right. Yeah. It's supposed to give you an Melanie Simon. Who's a fancy facialists out in LA? She is a p fifty like Devo Tae. Who isn't? She says that this is great for exploiting and getting that Golo. So I remember anti-bid her about this once and this is like her her fits, you sort of have to like buffer into using it correctly, right? Yes. Well, I just want to quickly add that I thought there were two formulas of p fifty there are five formulas there in a new one just launched like the spring even. Oh, I kind of remember that. So the the peeler lotion p fifty line that has like a combo of like different acids lactic acid cider vinegar salicylic acids, but there are varying active ingredients in each for. So what we can do is. We can put this on the blog information, which one does what? But it's definitely like there's one for you, even if you say that you're really sensitive there is one for you. And that's really just a little bit of sneak preview. That's the lotion p fifty W that's the gentlest formula. So to your point how do you use it? Now, they say that you should you know, you've got to cleanse your face your in your declaration. That's also important and for the first week. You wanna buy a few drops onto a damp cotton pad. And then you definitely Pat it not sweep it. But Pat it all over the face neck d'eclat after cleansing. Yes. Now, Melanie Simon. She taught me something hilarious. She said she likes to put it on gauze. Oh, lord. I know you got to go to the twain read the. Get the gos-. But she said the stuff is not cheap the cotton pads. She leaves too much or too much now when I had a little procedure done I had so much gauze leftover pursued procedure. Okay, I had so much 'cause leftover okay? I used it for the basis to move. Note this procedure. Okay. Did you? Did you do it? Yes. And and I pressed it, I mean, they're both Melanie and be are saying this. But you don't sweep you press a, but she presses and she rolls, and she even puts more attention onto things like frown lines. That's my trouble area crows feet, and like any place where you feel an and under the chin like contour, I think also pressing uses a little bit less the product. And the first time I tried p fifty I I treated it like it was Teno six-member tennis, coach seabreeze. Yeah. There since a cotton, Pat, and I switched it all over and my my face puffed out like read right away. Yeah. You make it a little red the the brand says that you should you should do it. Like once just you know, like just start like me once or so. And then as your tolerance build you can graduate to twice a day. They say you have to it's like, a workout you have to be consistent Sierras salts like with a retin-a buffering into using retinoids because you know, every other day than every third day every other day than. Every day. You're going to see results when you start using it for like a few different, you know, after a few times. So don't do it wants to be like, I don't get it. You have to do it for a little while. But I mean, this this is a it's a product that's a very sophisticated product. I really think he'd do kind of have to know all this before you go also need to tell you you don't need other peels or exploiters or scrubs. When you're using this saying you that's really smart. I asked somebody recently, can I keep using my p fifty and I was I was I was talking about some kind of like kind of grasp product, and they almost jumped up like God. No, you know, p fifty s it is strong. So that's the deal with p fifty have you have you ever used it consistently for a little while? No. Because I everybody I've talked to says you should go get the facial. I and have them explain it's you within the facial steps. And of course, that's not my way, I grabbed a ball. And I was like I know what I'll do. I'll just put this all over. And I was using the nineteen seventy version which has I forget the name of the acid starts with an A, which is a little bit controversial member, we pheno or something. Yeah. Dermatologists on who was like, it's really fine in the doses that you're using it. And it's, but it is the strongest version of it, and I probably shouldn't have so well, let us know if you like p fifty it's definitely a product that. I don't recall this much conversation at one skin care product or this many knockoffs like every skincare brand. Now is coming out with the exposure leading lotion that is actually a liquid people of the pixie glow. Tana pixie glow tonic is the dupe VIN Vintner's daughter just came out with their essence, which is supposed to be both moisturizing and exploiting like that. And glam glow glam. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They have a liquid exfoliating that is I would argue a little bit similar in that. Well, okay. I can't I've tried those yet. But let us know if you have awesome. Speaking of over exfoliating, look what we're doing for you. We teach you how to and then in the very segment will solve your overexploitation problems. This too is a topic that comes up all the time. Because a lot of you guys are experimenting at home with your own exfoliating regimen might might be it's appeal Emmanuel expedient a mask, and then you're doing a little too much. Don't you feel that in the past couple of years? There's been such an emphasis on at home peels and the stronger the better, and this one's really gonna give you the glow. Like, it's gotten a little crazy, and I have to say left were owned devices. Always my hand, I get excited about these things. And then I'm like, I really want to treat myself, and then my skin I don't actually know if it looks better on os like I feel sensitive. He just picture myself like wiping on and like all of a sudden just the skull with no skin because I've just like exfoliating away everything that's a funny like image late. Good cartoons. Yes. We all want the baby skin, the freshest skin cells that are. Under there. But at a certain point, you're just inducing low. Great inflammation. That's not helping anything if the skin barrier is compromised. You're in trouble. Just you're not going to get that glow. In belize. There's a Johnny Cochrane saying in here we need like like if the gloves must quit on my o. Oh, if it burns you yearn. Repel it stings you you'd started very late. That's good. That's good. That's good. Before the Senate comes. Hello. I'm like really excited about this in the subway liking if it's fire you must acquire. Get more. Okay. We're done. What are we talking? Okay. So how did it fix the problem you fix over? I need this this information, by the way because I just had mama's I for axle tree getting ready for my wedding. That's not exactly well, it is expulsion in a way because you know, you're frying the top layer of skin more or less with heat says kind of sand paper right now. So I got some tips for compromised barrier and how to heal, but why don't you share? What you have. I still you're still working on just because it hurts go to year. I will come up with something. Good, and you will all suffer through it. So I talked to the fabulous Sarah Chapman. You may know her for some of her high profile clients are British facialists here. So she told me this is exactly what you do if you were saying them. It's Meghan Markle in Victoria Beckham. She tells you she I know by shouted out. So oh, I do. Okay. So she's worked with Meghan Markle. Maybe you guys have heard of her. She's a duchess then Victoria Beckham who talks about Sarah quite a bit on her Instagram. Okay. So you have to I I would never think to do this drink masses of water and take anti-inflammatory omega oils, high dosage four to six grams a day. So you're really working from the inside. I then you wanna put you and you want to continue them in order to help strengthen same as if you've got a sunburn. Yes. Yes. I didn't even think about it. Yes. Then you want to add like a. Comforting cream. So she has a great cream actually called comfort cream, which has all kinds of soothing ingredients that you would find like an aftershave lotion. So she's treating the face like as if you're a man shaved the face. Okay. But cooling comforting and then she says chill out for. I know this is gonna be hard chill out for a month chill out from all other exfoliating. Yup. So no more fifty no no bay put that on the shelf over done it on your top layer. And you need to wait thirty days for a new layer to grow twenty eight days, baby. That's funny because I think a lot of people be like, oh, it's a week later. I must be permanently back through money. Even if you look back to normal your skin barriers still compromise. You gotta get the rest that growing cycle. Yes. In the money that you're saving by not using all of your exploiting products. This is only if you've over if you've over-exploited thing when we're I'm ready. Okay. You wanna have one of those? I know you're going to like this giant, a soothing voice riser missed keep it at your desk in your handbag do that throughout the day for cannot on your comfort, but to hydrate the skin and avoid sun exposure because guess what? Now that you've like. Burnt off the top layer your skin, even if you can't see it that son is gonna hit your face Q, aging Q pigmentation issues. My only my only thing on that is I've heard from other people the moisturizing face myths because they have water in them. They actually can then dehydrate the skin. So if you missed I think you then have to put your moisturizer right on top. That's what I might get what you're saying like, but then, but then why would they sell them? If like you need to use it in Tanda. Oh, just because the beauty industry sells us everything we need in. It's all they do that. Because it does fuel refreshing. Right. But it's the same way. If you feel your skin cooling, that's vapin ration-, your it's like putting moisture back into the air, you know. Well, I know that this is just one, but like the talk show one like the Dewey skin now. Some of them have moisturizers just look at the ingredient list is what I'm yeah. If it straight up like water, and like rosewater or some like essential oils in there. You might also want to put him on on top. Okay. Might I recommend men something with ceremonies. Dr Anne Chapas of union square. Dermatology. Yet. I was just meeting with her. And she took a look at my face actually got a union square from Dr Idris our former guest, she likes epidermal growth factors, which help repair the skin. Obviously, you're growing lots of new collagen. And that helps like double up on the collagen. So I've been doing my skin Medica TNS serum. Okay. And then she likes a cream with ceremonies on top of that because they are super-duper moisturizing. It can be kinda heavy though for some something. 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Just go to take care of dot com and enter the promo code mascara fifty at checkout again that's fifty percent off your first month of vitamins. Go. Take care of dot com and enter the promo code mascara fifty. Okay. Guys. Got here today. Garin does not just do hair. I'm just going to say it he shapes careers. Okay. Well to embarrass him. He's looking at me. Like, all right. What else? He's known for creating styles for the likes of Madonna, Linda Evangelista, Audrey Hepburn. Scarlett Johansson, Nicole Kidman? I mean, we're going to get some more. This man has done over a thousand magazine covers plus ad campaigns for the likes of her Saatchi, Tom Ford, tons and tons of more tons more tons of music videos, and oh, did I mention that? He is also the co founder of our Inco. Welcome garin. Welcome. Girls. Girls. Guys, arms folded high girl like some guys that you're actually listening. A lot of listeners those good snow. My husband, Tom, Triano husband, Tom, pretty I hope he is listening. So okay. We have not enough time in this episode with to really even tackle this question. But there's some people I have to ask it. How did you get your start? Well, you're not gonna believe this. I started at thirteen. What do you mean? I didn't like I always was into fashion because my mother at at the time in the sixties was always looking at vogue and Harper's bazaar. And I was in love with Harper's bazaar and vogue. And I was just like oh my God. How do they changed? He's people. You know, these women the models the actresses every month, they got a different length. Their hairs either says SUNY, or it's Kenneth or it's all Zonta Perry. And I'd be like so obsessed with it. And my mother was prematurely grey, and she'd come back from the hairdresser, and she looked like an old lady. But she was like thirty five years old. And I would just say sit down, and I would sit her down. I brush her hair out, and I would tease it up into a big blue font. And before you know, it she had all her girlfriends from the PTA asking her who did her hair. And she goes, you're not gonna believe it. It's. My son, and they go Donald and she goes, no. And they go who and they go Garin, and that she was like, they're like you kidding me. He's sweet how old was Donald like older? Yeah. Twenty not. Not twenty years old older. You know, where did you go out falls? Wow. Wow. New york. My mother was my father was American. Okay. So anyway, long story short on Fridays and Saturdays IB going with my little blowed. My little hand dryer. It was like a hood dryer. And I'd buy these little booklets in the grocery store. They would show you a pitcher, and it would say Kenneth, and it will show you how to set it. And then it would show Fidel says soon and how you would do it. And so I would bring the book, and I would study it, and I would go and cut all these girls hair for a hundred fifth for one dollar and fifty cents. Oh my God. A dollar fifty haircut by Garin. This is. Yeah. Now would tape there bangs down and do all these crazy things and everything came out. Really great. And you know, it's just yeah. That's all I started. So this what you were. I would say yourself taught. But then when you move to the city like well, first of all like back, then you had to go to the student counselor like when you get the tenth grade too. Vocational test. What are you going to be? When you grow up, you know, and I was going to be a hairdresser. And they were like it was unacceptable. You know? He just said, this is not acceptable. Because you were because I was a guy, and I said, no, I wanna be I wanna do hair. And he's like, no, I have to call your father, and we're going to have a conversation. This is and I was like oh shit. I was like, oh what's going to happen? Now, they're going to change. My course, you know, my whole way of life and my way of thinking, and so they called me back down the office. I'll make this quick in my father comes in. And he goes what would he do? Does he doesn't do anything? He's while do, you know, what your son wants to do when he grows up, and my father goes yell, and my father was as big, man. And he was you know, Italian, of course. And he he says. Yeah. So what's what what what do you think he wants to do? And he says he wants to be hairdresser. And the counselor says, well, that's not acceptable. You know, he's got to go to school. He's got to go to college. My father goes he's going to school. He's going to hair-dressing school. Love your father just stood there. And he goes, you don't seem to understand. He's gonna be great. He's does really he what he does. He does. Well, and the counselor says, I don't accept that. He's going to have to take he's going to have to take some poor says he's going to have to go even community college. But and I went home, and I was like destroyed. I was like I don't want to go to school. I want you know, I don't want to do this. I wanted to do what I wanna do. My father's don't. I Gotcha covered. I got your back. That's so that was just so heaven. I mean, it was like where do you get that back? Then you'd listened everything that anyone had thority would tell you to do time is definitely changed. Oh, yeah. It's all in our. It's all in the kids. Definitely definitely so. Okay. Then you did you work in Niagara Falls as a hairstylist for a little while. I did I head you go to buffalo, which do but guys started in Agra falls because I was still underage. So my brother owned a wigs lawn. And so I would go in there in the back and do some hair, you know, some weeks, and then I decided that I would enter some contests. You know, like these beauty contests beauty contests. And I went and did that and I won first prize. I met Christiane allow he was one of the judges. And I said, so how do I get out of here? How do I? He says well when you get your New York, here's my phone number. Give me a call introduces some people. So he introduced me to I went to New York. Of course, like it was like flying out of there. I went to New York he introduced me to these John and Suzanne Chadwick who worked for the Glenn be company, and they introduced me Glen be company. Just so everyone would know they owned like fifteen eighteen hundred salons around the world, and they were all in department stores and they were in hotels. So they had they were in bergdorfs. They were a Henri Bendel at the time, and they were at Bloomingdale's and Macy's and all that. So I went and had a big meeting with the president vice president of the company, and they says, well, you're going to have to start in buffalo will put you in slum buffalo you prove yourself, and then we'll move to New York. So I said, okay. So I went to this salon of. Department store called jen's which was like the Bergdorf Goodman buffalo time, and I started working the salon my clientele. Followed me into I built like I was really booked like every fifteen minutes and at that point. I was charging seventy five dollars. That's already. That back. Then it was it was I think the first three the first year, I did thirty five dollars. And then I quickly bumped it up to seventy five. What time is this? This is in the seventies. This is in the early dollars in the seventies in buffalo. I think that's pretty Hoyt. It is that was very I mean, very ballsy. But the thing was is that it has so many clients. I had to weed them out. In other words. I had to fill the other part of the Salang like the other then they would start going to the other kids in this right salon. So then I met Tom my husband, and he's like, you know, we can't stay here much longer. We gotta get outta here. So like a nineteen seventy four he said, let's go back to Glenn be. And you're going to tell them you want to move to New York. So I went back to Glenn be nice. It's time I have to move to New York. And they said, well, we'll we're gonna place you so they sent me to like five salons in New York, and they sent me to Kenneth, and they sent me to bergdorfs, and they sent me to Henry been Dell and they sent me to Bloomingdale's, and I was just like, Ooh, I guess want. I either Kenneth or I want or I want bergdorfs. So I ended up at bergdorfs because by prices were more than what Kenneth was charging gone buffalo. We're like could've they came from everywhere. They lie in it would bring pitchers like pictures of what they used to look like when they were young. And you say, and as you copy this think. I could do better like a destination hair salon in buffalo. This is like. Sorry, not read about this war. I love you. Couldn't fill fill it all in. This is like the archives deep deep Garin while you're going. I'm going back. So anyway, I get into into bergdorfs a remodeling it, and I'm like I'm like looking around, and and then all of a sudden they bring in Suge in. This was a great hairdresser from the seventies and sixty seventies eighties. And they told me they said, well, you know, there's just one catch here is going to be a Suge salon. So you're going to have to kind of lead the pack and kind of move somewhere else. Instead of in the center, they had me in the center. Like, I was featured you know, to me. So then I said, well, I'll go I'll go near the window. I don't care as long as I have. You know, I have a station. It's not locked in a corner. And they said because if you do it everybody else will move, you know, get out of the way for all his people. So I did it. So one day Suka couldn't do a photo shoot. And I now I'm still working for Glenn be I am working and their creative team. So I was like one of the their designers. You know? And so then Suka says why can't do this vogue shoot? Would you do it? And I was. So I did fills Poznyk because glamour had been a glamour hairdresser for like for three years before this even doing some aditorial for glamour for glamour, the makeovers Mademoiselle. They'll get all these makeover things, and I started doing their covers. And so I went in and Phyllis remembered me from Lamour because she was the beauty editor of glamour, so she's like Garin we're gonna do Christie Brinkley. And we're going to do something very Evan guard. We want you to do crimping. So fraught, my crimping new thing, you know, in the seventies. So I cranked her hair. And did all these crazy things with it. It was and it became a hit. And but now I mean, it's just was like Ford beauty pages. And vogue was like a big deal for me. You know, and before you know, it I'm in the offices with meeting Polly melon and villas like here's his book. It's all glamour, but we have this one spread we did with you know, we did with Garin, and I and she was with Christie and Polly just looked at it. And she's just said my God John nursing Christie looked so different. You know, she really cool for change. She was no she was she's the all American Beauty, and I worked with her a lot for glamour, and that was in the days when the girls did their own makeup if glamour like in they only brought in hairdressers, right? So so now we start at vogue. And then introduced I'm called I do want sitting with deputy wtrw, Ville, Jade Hopson, and it was a gold story with Jerry Hall, and it was with all the girls. All these big in the late seventies. Right. Okay. And it was it was like they were in. It was all inaccessible story. So you had Ted mewing, and you head all his golden everything and Jerry believe it or not she knew how to take over the pitcher, which you can imagine. So her hair would be to the left side. And all the girls would be on the right on the the the the opposite side of her. And as the pitcher was being taken, she flipper hair to cover the girl. And I was like pitchy. Do that you know is like. The girls the girls realize what was going on. So they start moving around. So that they would they would be in the picture. To live model. And you know, it was what it was it came out. Really it was beautiful. And I was just like I couldn't believe I moved to New York. And within six months, I'm doing all this work. And then but vogue shoot that. Really? Put you on the map that connection with paulie? Well, the connection with poly because what happened was poly. Yeah. The Polly Mallon. I mean, she was my mentor is far as with fashion. Can I just point out on this is you said late seventies? You're doing your vogue shoot fast forward to twenty eighteen. You did a vogue cover like with Priyanka like what like three months ago your career is what is that? I can't do math right now third. It's a lot of years. Just the other day, Jerry home. But yeah, I am impressed with the longevity of your career. So it's just there's so many big names that are in it too. So can I ask you about one of them? I'm fast forwarding a teeny bit go on. Can we talk about Madonna a little bit? Mcdonagh. Well, do you want to know how this all this? That was amazing. I mean, I have to say. I was going to the clubs, you know, who will back then. And there's this girl dancing on at the I think it was at the palladium or whatever. And she's thrown herself all over the ground. And she sees I'm virgin, you know, and like I God, she's very interesting. You know that outta and I, you know, and I like I had set my career that I wanted I had one name, and I wanted to keep it that way. But I also had all these movie stars that were in my repertoire my head like, you know, like Elizabeth Taylor and all Marilyn Monroe and all this and that and one day, Tom, and I were driving to our house in Pennsylvania. And I said, you know, what I'm missing. And he goes what I go. I need a Marilyn Monroe and honest to God three weeks later. Steven Meisel says we're gonna do Madonna, and I was like. I'm gonna make again, and he's we're do Madonna and I wanted to like a Marilyn Monroe thing. And I was just like, yes. So we did the cover of Vanity Fair where she has on the bounding gown, and I did her hair kind of my version of Madan of Maryland row. And then in the inside there was all these beautiful pages. You know, where we copied her with, you know, like very sheer, and before you know, it I was like just always doing Madonna with Stephen and and then I became ill. We did the sex book, and we have so much fun on that. Because I turned her into Ursula Andrews, I turned her into. I mean, we did so many crazy things, but it was just so cool to change her within. I think we did the whole book in I would say a matter of for like a full month, but not all at the same time because we did it at different places. We did it in New York. We did it. Mineshaft? We did it at a sex club. We did at the gaiety went to Miami. We did it, you know, in in golden beach, and we just had so much fun. And then we started, you know, then I started I was basically did her here for almost like I would say it would have been over fourteen years. And then on and off, you know, like she would then do something else. And then it would be like, okay. And you just get Garin. So we're going to call her call him back. You know? And so I, you know, it's still I'm I'm still on her radar. You know what I mean? Like, what is it like when celebrities like work with people a lot like and they work with someone for. I'm not talking about you. Specifically, I'm talking about is in general when someone has like their people for a little bit. And then they go to other people like do they say, hey, I'm gonna work with this person? Alec. What does that? What does that like? Well, I think is it. Formal is spoken is it. It's for me. It was always. Spoken. And it wasn't a problem. It was because I was brought up in fashion. So it was like I was doing a different model all the time. And you have to you know, she did do other shoots with other photographers who had their teams. And I think that's the grooming that I had was that, you know, you have your team that the photographer has and the editor has and then you you go on and you move on to someone else. And then you come back to that person. But like, you know, but during the time of Madonna Madonna wasn't like I wasn't going doing her hair every night or every day when she went somewhere it was like, right? You know, it was for a project or was for something else. And also, I always kept. I was brought up that I would keep my respectful distance where now days people get right in. I would have to say in bed with them. Meaning they they are demanded by the artist in the artists, really sucks. The blood out of them. I we. We've seen that with you know, generally, obviously, we talked to make and hairstyles all the time. But we noticed some of them are very close to talent. Especially if it's like a celebrity, and it does seem like I'm speaking for each. I don't mean to you. But I'm kind of amazed by the line that is a road with some of them, and it's worrying, but some of them I do see like yourself. I was sick. Like, how do they pay them? Then like, are you paying me for this hair this time, or are you not paying me because this payday or just a friend day emotional labor of like being at their Beck and call and like being with their kids being on the plane twenty four seven Instagram that like I'm goofing around with them on the like, it doesn't feel. I never did. That is how I draw. I drew the line. I kept it really professional and Madonna respected that and she respected my point of view because you we're seeing through the lens of Steven Meisel or Steven Klein, or do you know what I'm saying? It's like it's like so expertise all like the thing that I have. And I'm very lucky is like when I'm telling you the big celebrities back in the day when they would come to shoot. And they were put in my hands. They already respected my work. I worked at Garin right now work ethic and today when you get new talent, and I'm not downing them. I just think they don't have. I think their handlers. And all that do more harm to them than letting them experiment with new people. Bubble. And it's like they're locked in this box. And they always look the same. And they end up the artist meaning the hairdresser or the makeup artists end up being attached to them. And there is no other challenge that they have. They just have the same routine that they're doing day in and day, iphone, I could. I mean, I just couldn't go there. You know? Because I my whole career has been a hairdresser in a salon a hairdresser on a fashion. Shoot hairdresser on a commercial a hairdresser for product for designer. And it's like, I know all of the aspects of creating a beautiful photograph and making someone look the best they can and not not try to make them. Like, oh, I I want them to be photographed you. Because I didn't grow up in that. I mean, I grew up in the air of studio fifty four where everybody was with everybody. And you had royalty next. You had celebrity next to you didn't have to go through this team of bodyguards, and and this team of publicists and all that, you know. And and that's what I love about, you know, doing new people. But then when you hit this snag somewhere where you get a new actress that is a somehow in her head thinks that you know, you have to do what they like I'm turned off. I mean, it's not that. I want to do what I wanna do. But I want to have a conversation. I remember there was one time and. One time. There was this one artist that her husband wanted me to make her over. And she was she's a great singer. And so she made an appointment to come to the salon because Steven Meisel shooting her and my salon was at Henri Bendel at the time, and I could see the Trump Tower of so now she's late. She's making me wait, and I don't like to be waiting. And so I still we were on time. Anyway, the story goes that she finally gets in the car and drives she could've walked kitty corner. Do you know what I'm saying what she gets in her limo, no posse, and I see this all playing out. I have a winning. You like, are you kidding? I'm now last. Oh, she did. And so yes, she did. And so she gets to the salon and they escort her to my stations. So embarrassed and all her crew is around her, and they're all talking, and I just looked at. I I got in front of her. Yeah. And the station, and I looked at her, and I said, you do speak because I know you can sing I said, so can we have a conversation. But you, and I said, you know, something I want you all of you to get out. I says I will not carry will not take this any further unless you all leave, and I have my conversation with her. And she goes that would be great. And then she just you know, at that point. It was like, well, I liked it. And I says all right would break in you over man. So the whole idea is that we've got. Come to some agreement. Yeah. So we did. And we ended up. It was a great moment. And it was a great moment for her. And but to this day, I just got called to do her for some billboard awards. And I just looked at. I looked at my agent. I said, are you kidding me? I said there's nothing I could do with her anymore because she's so stuck in this one look, and and I just said, you know, it's going to be just too much work. And it's not worth it for me too. It's like she's like she's like the Barbie doll. And I'm like, I can't you know, it's you are kind of known though for these transformations. Like, I think that that's why people come to you. Right. Well, so yeah, I wanted to ask you about that. You don't think I hope? Yeah. Transformation guy. That sounds good. Linda Evangelista that bomb? I cut her in a Bob we made her blonde we made a red. You know, we did all kinds of rate. We did the skater board haircut. What we clipped up the back of? But that was the time that models weren't being dictated by big companies that they had to grow their hair, you know, or they had long hair, and you know, you could Christmas men. Emmy, you know, you have all these girls, and you could you could do anything you wanted to their hair, and they still were able to work for companies, you know, but it's it's very interesting nowadays. It's it's it's a flip. You know? It's like you're at their mercy. And you know, and it's like I'm so lucky that I work with such great photographers that want to transform people. And now we have wigs and stuff like that. We can do. I mean, it's like when Nicole Kidman sees me. And we worked together as a guy who am I going to be today? You know, and it's so nice because she goes like what's the play? What? Are we doing? Yeah. You know? It's like it's like, I have this hair. And I want to wear it like those. No, it doesn't it. It's kind of not like that. And even like, even working with the you know, Kim Kardashian. She's like, so what are you going to do with me? You know, like, she let's go she, you know. And it's not behold as anyone she holds all the cards, and she does have her team, you know, and she and if she's got a fight for a team member she'll fight for her makeup artists instead of her hairdresser. But it's weird. You know, has changed a lot. What about like a real woman? No like with the transformation thing like a we're not celebrities. What if we want to have that kind of moment where we get a transformation, and we have people see us, and they're like, wow. In the way, they do when they saw Madonna looking like, I'm looking like Marilyn Monroe, is it always hair. Do you think? No. It's got to be the whole deal. I'm that's my that's one of my things is that I I'm intrigued I kind of dictate to them if you're going to change your hair color. Or you're going to going to cut it this way, you have to own it in by Oni it. It means think about the way you're gonna dress think about what you're gonna do think about how your make up's going to change. And I say, I'm not the know it all, but I do know that if you're gonna go short, and you're going to have to own it. It's not going to be a hat, and you know, you might wear a different type of trouser or you might wear, you know, like a man's shirt. Or just a simple, you know, it's kind of pulling from all the historical moments of win women were you know, you kind of kind of want him to be a little masculine. But also, very sexy. And it's kind of like I have all that in my brain. Because of the time that I've I've done this and what I followed in fashion. So it's like, I automatically know if it's a center parter side part because I wanted to be a little. Coment or a little Dominic jerks. More something a little, and I also had all these got to do the whole thing. Well, it's not doing. It's just pick up on it and own it. Yeah. You know what? I mean. It was just like cut your hair adult become a t shirt and don't come to become platinum instill where a little flower dress or get your bags and then like go to office and everybody do you like my banks. Do you look like own the banks own it own? The fringe fringe can change your whole appearance. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not about a little bit of fringe. I'll have a few bang own. I no way they all go on your commit to the look and make to the look at home is this character and have fun. Your woman. You could do anything you want? And you don't have to answer to anyone but yourself you should do like ads. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. New. I just I feel like you're very clear in your messaging, and it's just like you understand the world of hair in like, and what it can do for the rest of your image in the way, you feel my once ever like cried in your chair, though that you gave them this amazing. Look, you're like own it girl, and they look in the mirror, and they like fall apart because we've all been I have had one crazy that was in my chair that I cut her hair, and I blew it out. And she's telling me, she looked like Harpo Marx and bozo. And I said all right bozo. Had frizzy hair. Like the clown. The clown is a bozo had frizzy hair. Your hair is Brown, and it's silky. And I says, I guess you just it's at I think her whole MO was that she wanted a good haircut. But she didn't want to pay for it. She told the desk, I said comper and tell her forget. Our number. You know what I mean? So funny, I been around the block a few times, I know Garin, I just know what's. Can you see a crazy from like ten miles away? Can you kind of send you do your consultation because they always consult, oh, what's a consultation? Like, well, it's like finding out what what they do what what's your lifestyle? What would you have to lives? Do you have your daytime casual and at night, you get done up or are you expected to dress a certain way because of your husband's business, or whatever you known in your business her business? You know what I'm saying? You know, everybody was thinking thing is is that, you know, people don't stop and think what's happening after five. You know, and I can refer I could say this. Honestly that Tom my husband met this client, and they it was through fair Fawcett and Farrer and I were friends for for decades. And I took the fair out a faira if you want I took the fera flip out of her and cut her hair into a Bob and dinner for vogue. And did it very sleek in very straight, and we worked through all these different looks that she had but by husband met, another friend of hers, and he went to her apartment, and she had Mickey Mouse t shirt on and a pair of tights. And she says I want my haircut, and I you know, it she had black long hair and Tom just went shopping at it and gave her a rockstar haircut like rods that Rod Stewart. But like, you know, like all shaggy and like really cool. And so then all of a sudden, she gets a phone call, and he says, well, my husband, you got a problem. I know what to do with my favorite night. And I'm like, so Tom explains me goes like this person that that did you ask her who are husband is, you know, and he says, no, I didn't wanna get go there with I was with fair out. I was having fun. We were playing, and you know, and I cut her hair off. And so I find out it's like one of the wealthiest families in New York. This is in the seventies late seventy and every night is formal night in is big time just for a tour, and she's got like the Joan Jett. Yeah. She's got the shag. And it's not the time to have this. So I go over to the to the house, and I'm talking to her. And I said it's so what is tonight I have to go. You know, we're having this big party, didn't it dinner. And I'm wearing Valentino. And I still show me the dress shows it's the one I just shot for a tour. It's like for around the neck low in the back, and it's like a black. It's so gorgeous. You know, what I mean, really really big time. And I'm like, Tom you kinda like screwed this up because. Hey, it's not matching dress. So what do you do? And I said, well, let's just blunt the bottom off a little bit. And then we'll blow it really sexy over your eye, and she had all this stuff up here. And so we we faked it we got it. We got her through a little fancy hat again. It wasn't about. And it was like her husband says oh, thank God. You guys got together. You got her together, you know? And it was we were laughing so hard. But then, you know, then she ended up with a really severe short Bob with big Hank of a big wave over one eye. And so she owned she was owning her and at the day during the day. She still was owning her look, you know. So you bring up an interesting point like, which is like night-time hair. Daytime hair you read, I read an article with you recently, and it was an older article. But you said something that was really funny you said. You always have lots of little funny quips. I don't know if you realize that don't. But I I do understand that I do have a wicked tongue. I think you're a truth teller Garin. That's why I like you. You said I think younger women feel if they put themselves together too much, they look too old fashioned. And you said it's like how you learn to put makeup on, you know, a lot of women learn to put makeup on that. They should learn how to put how to how to do their hair. Now as somebody who I know. Jen knows that she's seen it firsthand. She was horrified. I don't know how to do my hair do not put a hot tool, and this woman was like it's any kind. No, no, I blow dry. Maybe even a little drier. I, you know, for me nighttime hair is basically, I brush it or I get so much of her Fench, professionally do it. But what about your charity gala jus-? I would love to go to chair. I know. But I know what you're saying. I would love my husband to take me out to all these fancy business events. The life anymore. What's going on? Do you think that things have changed or you think do you think that women just kind of like don't know how to is that a is that a dying art like what hap- hairdressing, you know? I think I think we got into this. You know, we I've been through the grunge stage. You know, we created that you know, with my Zell, and we. We had that like when we created the grunge look. Work with us. Yeah. But it was with McMenemy was all those girls, Harry Ellis show was that you not the show. But I did the fat VO vogue shoot. Yeah. You know? So it was like the makeup was raw everything was that's what I'm saying. Like you can't wear grungy. And have your hair blown out the godfather of grunge now, I was already called the godfather of the less folks story when I cut off Carly clauses hair. Oh, yes. That was you when I worked it off, you know. So he did the minimalism. You did the grunge. Well, yeah. So it's like what I find. Now is that when there is a big event, and they call and people to do their hair their makeup. One's gotta sacrifice. You can't have both. You can't have full makeup. And then big hair, you know, big hair. And it's like sometimes there's these young models in some young actresses that go out, and they're so overly made up and so overly done that. You don't even recognize. Is who they are. And they're so pretty just being themselves. You know, like what I mean by themselves like less is more. And so they hire a team or their, you know, their their group hires a team, they go in and they do the the look, you know, but they're not really knowing the hairdressers nowadays don't know how to do a look. They sorta lies the makeup is usually the look these days what's kind of taking over because the hair is, you know, it's what that curling wand with the destroyed end. You know, they're doing that stupid that oh undone. Don, look that looks like you don't leave the ends out on a curling Lou. You know, I go for a Beechy way. But I wanna know I wanna beach wave I wanted to be able to girl can run your hands through it right now. I we want it to be like, it's so stuck there that you can't mess it up. Yeah. Pageant curls pageant waves. Do that noise again, which one? Like you stepped on a mouse at her barefoot. Oh. Oh. On your Gary. No, no. Well, I also learn how to use product, you know, like being with our in co we have three oh. Question about aren't you know, we have Howard Howard. Mclaren who's known for his razor cuts and using lots of product because his background was bumble and bumble, and he you know, he uses product completely different than I do. And Tom does Tom is like a master of undone hair, founders of ARIN Cova, my three of us just like the u the Mojave desert. There's myself Tom priante. Oh and Howard McClair Thomas. Thomas, your husband and Thomas, my husband and Tom worked a lot with Bruce Weber, and he did a lot of lifestyle work. He did all the Ambra Crombie and all that kind of stuff which we wouldn't be allowed to do Charlie J different nowadays. So, you know, Tom is like the men's groomer and he's done so many so many famous people, and so many she ate models and he worked a lot with Kelvin. When Calvin was Kelvin Kline the real Kelvin, and he did all those commercials with Christie and all that kind of natural hair. But. Undone style, very very simplistic, but very sexy and very touchable. And then you have Howard who is like, you know, he he he razor cuts the hair, and he moves at around us a lot of product, it becomes sexy and kind of kind of almost rocks. It's kind of a broken rock star. But it's not really because it's there's a thing about it. That is touchable. You know? And then there's me that I covered the gamut, but I'm more theatrical, and that's a great word to describe you theatrical in in why I'm saying that is because I really believe in. I if from working with magazines working on a real clients, you have to know how to finish hair, and you have to know how to use the right tool the right thing to accommodate them and make them feel. You know, you're working with anybody. You know, and you have to kind of make it happen. And. You know, if if you're working with one of the photography, I worked with pen for years, and I was you know, the pens light. I know the pens light was one big light. It was so strong that if I was doing wispy hair or hair that was sticking out and being like extraordinarily grand. I'd have to make it three times the size, and each spike would be three times the width because the light would blow it out to make it look like it was a wisp. Then you worked with Avalon who wanted the girl to be luxurious and very sexy, but raw or whatever way you wanted to go. So you had to learn how to do the hair for that lighting. And then you head Steven Meisel that we did a lot of characters, and we did a lot the he trained models to be models. You know, like evidence did I mean, Linda learned how to move every muscle interface because Stephen woods, and I would we would play. And we had France wa and you know now. Works with Pat McGrath, would it would be like namedrop hole. Pull pull this muscle. Find that muscle pull this in. And it would like I would enjoy working creating this. Because all I'd have to do is go to Linden touch your hair, and then just go boop whole that in and she and done. Do you think there are photographers now who are treating models the same way in training models the same way? Absolutely not not there's nobody being trained there. Steven Klein can train a model. He wants them to really replica. Imitate him, basically. But he's still loves a beautiful odd. Strange or you know, there's something very sexual about it. But I, you know, working with the new group, I first of all they're intimidated when I'm booked, you know, because I'm garren, and so I have to break that barrier down. Like like, I'm used to having a conversation photographers are models that you're talking about younger photographers because you have to break that barrier because I'm so used to having a conversation. Like, what are we gonna do today? How do you want her to look, you know, I it's not how I want her to look, I wanna know how do you want? You know, are we doing a lot of makeup no makeup. Are we doing what air what do you? What do you feel and they really don't have a point of view? They just want you to get them ready and throw them out there. And then they're gonna take pictures. I mean are intimidated by the town. Well, maybe but may but they have their own crew. You know, what I mean they have their own group that they they're comfortable with. And that's the difference. You know, so, you know, I just you know, I'm just so vocal or so by Icees everything, you know, because I was trained by Polly Mellon, and I was trained by these these big photographers that is zero in on a collar is zero in on what's not working not what is working. I saw you on set. And you really do you clock everything or nauseous looking at the hair, and that's interesting. I think you know, we do have a lot of hairstylists who listened to a lot of beauty professionals who do work on sadder, you know, find themselves working with images. And I think people even I learned this from you just working on set with you like, I tend to think like all stay in my lane. You know, this this is this I focus on this. But you're looking at everything, and you are not afraid to speak up. I know you're in a different position than I am. But I was really inspiring. Not really, no. Because I'm to respect what you're looking for. Well, that's true. But I mean, like your, you know, your. Garron like you've been doing this for you know, decades longer than I have. But at the same time, it's your like, we're all your very democratic and collaborative like, we're all looking at this image together. And I thought that was really cool. But is that someone's role as a hairstylist or makeup artist? I think you have to you have to walk you have to tip toe into that read the room. You know, you've got to read the room in you. Gotta know how to say it and. I have you know, I happen to have a big mouth. So it's like, you know, when I work with Matt and Marcus, and you know, they're the they're genius. When it comes to to retouching like like digital leaking the thing before the model walks or the actors walks to the the monitor you know, what I mean. And it's like, I'm just like, whoa. You know, you just put ambers mouth on. What's her name? You just did this or that or whatever. And you know, it's like, they respect my point. And I'm like, well, don't you think that I should flatten the hair a little bit on the left? It's a little too big or either make it all bigger or take it down. And then you become part of that that unit. You know what I mean? And I think when we you're talking about the shoot that we did it was about. It was Ying in yank and the thing was is that one was so grand and so ridiculous in so over the top. And I my point at that moment was I didn't want to wear. I I knew. They wanted me to wear something that wasn't me. And I I said are going to give in and do it. And then when I saw it on the monitor I'm saying, no, it's not. If you could be too old to know. I was. I was honest. I looked at it. And I says it's distracting from the point of view. Yeah. And I said just trust me. Let me go back and put something else. And I said because. I'm not I'm not twenty years old. I'm not thirty years old. I'm at a certain level of my life that I have a certain look, and I went along with part of it. And we got an amazing pitcher. But but the point was is that I was distracting from what the pitcher was supposed to be about. Because I was kind of in a clown outfit. I'll let you just before we let you go. We started to talk about product, and then we sort of stopped. But can we get back to Aren gophers Protestant general like what is in the Garin kit? These days. Co everything you wish you've had this line for twenty years, and it's a whole bean. It's all it's a different beat for me. When I I did my own line. I wanted to simplify things make it like I needed seven products because I didn't want to drag this big kid room. Then when we did our in co it was like, we need something for this. Because everybody's using natural hair. Will we have to make the extra look like natural hair? But you don't want it to look too greasy. You don't want it to look to this to that too over dried. So we had to come up with different dry shampoos because Howard would like one Tom would like another one. And I would like another one are there. We have like five so. It's all for specific things. It's all does something different. Yes. So these lines that are really trying to simplify it's it's just it. It becomes like a creative thing is. It's like how many Hairsprays union which do run out of I in your kid of all the Armco products. I would say space spray, it's a hairspray. Okay. And that I the second thing I've run out of would be skyline with that. It's a dry shampoo, but it's a powder. And then the third thing that I would run out of would be trophy, and the oil tinsel, and that we have this new thing that we just launched last year, and it was called glittering, which I absolutely love you shake it, and it's gold with actual glitter. It's glitter. It's gold. It's gold comes out of the bottle. Gold makes a hair sparkle how much does this shit cost. Your goals? It's not pure gold. But it's all. Got very I'm going crazy. As is this something like it's for work. Right. It's for more. It's like it's like your your hair feels dry and flat in in kinda like doll. You just puts a little this on in the hair just starts to shine against tickets for work. Okay. Cool. It's clean. It's just there's so many cool. There's so many I fell in love with waterfall. That's another one that is adding moisture from any other brand in my my kit. It's a big enough line. It's been a flying. But I do have one Garin product that. I keep from your original are you so making the original Garin pro no upsets still alive. You gotta shot that still live. No, no what we still sell. What we had just not reproduced the NFL. All right. So get it while it lasts. Okay. Can we ask you about some of your products that like other products that are in co doesn't make like skin-care home fragrance things like that? Because you have very refined taste. I wanna know what's happening in your bathroom. Yeah. What's what's happ? Well, Tom has Tom has one shelf? Oh year the maximum, and I have four on sounds like my apartment whether on is. So he's a vegan. Okay. And so everything he has is all natural. Which is he uses three things for K vegan. Yes. Totally vegan. Okay. And obviously if you Thomas, and then you have Garin in that's for lines. And it's like my night cream's my day creams, and my, you know, analytic Dr analytic he's keeping me looking the same for the last since Fred passed away. And that's Dr Fred Brandt. He was my best friend and doctrine cream and night cream. Well, it's combo platter. Like Sisley freak and I'm also still using some doctor brands products, but I- Sicily, not Salita, Sicily that black rose mask business. You know, it's like the the white line. It's the white line that just came out and I've been using Sicily ah for scaring. Yeah. I only have one face. I have no hair. I can't do anything with my hair. So I have to splurge somewhere. I'll tell you a little cute story. Tom was shopping with me, and I bought some Sicily. And he looked at the Bill, and he goes. That's not right. And I'm like, yeah. So he goes, well, I want a bracelet every time you buy Saliha. I go what are you talking about? It goes I wanna chrome hearts bracelet, or I wanna airmen's bracelet. So every time every he's stacked his whole arm is came one for me. Well for me. I was like, you know, it makes sense. Okay. If I'm spending two thousand dollars on products, he can get a two thousand dollar bracelet. You know, but those days are gone where he's getting the bracelet because he had his arms up anymore. But but your face still look like that Garin, Dr Robert analytic, and Sicily and Dr brands products holding it together, and I have a re- routine. And you know, I try. It's working. Yep. Garin your great. This is great. Thank you so much. We had fun. Thank you so much lots to learn remember get on the our website. So you can see all the stuff we have. Well done, sir. But I do you know what today is if it's Tuesday and you're listening on Tuesday. It is hairstyles appreciation day. That's the deal. I mean, intern tiff told me about it and like. We we appreciate hairstyle is all year long on fatness every day is hairstyles. Depreciation day special shout out to Garin. Thank you so much for being here from the interview. Okay. Let's get to raise a one. What is your product? It's actually from a hairstylist. Oh, how cool see how I planned that? Okay. So Larry King. Yes. Larry King hairstylist. Yes. I love this, man. However, I was like he's just starting to his has a product line. Right. And he's launching in the US. And I was like so how's it going with that name? He's like what are you talking about? I was like your name is very famous in America for the late night. Tv host Larry King, go. Yeah. But people know, and I was like, okay. We'll see because you know, famous garra listeners know, Larry King is a dope hairstyles in the UK. But sure everybody does you know what I feel like it's it's one of those like simple name. So I think I think we're gonna get through it. You know, let me tell you about his product line. Yes. What product I like in particularly in particular is a volume ising hair est, which you would never think for some of the thick wavy hair like me, but he explained it to me is almost like a working spray because you can use it on set to those hair waters that were hot for a while that we like with a little bit of castor oil in the water. This is like a hair water, but with volumizer, but never ever stiffen sticky volumizer. So I spray it my damn parent. I could do a blow out, and it would have volume or just do an air dry, and it has like a nice softness to it. That's not crunchy. But even more so I've been using it as like a Ri wedding in between wash day kind of like refresher. Oh, that's a cool it usually I use an oil based product as a refresher. But then your hair just gets heavier and heavier over the course of the say three days, you didn't wash your hair, totally. So I've been using this instead, and it just sort of revives my hair, but without the powdery of a dry shampoo or the starchy of like a really hard volumizer and the smell. It's each of his products has the different fragrance. This one's fragrance is cabin fever. It's just like cypress and pine in the most green fresh way. That's not at all pine Sol you just smells like summer camp. Yeah. You can get it on Neta portait. And I think he's trying to expand even more with his distributions of good luck. Larry happy hairstyles appreciation day. Well, I did not plan. My raise nearly as well, I'm going with an eyeliner. So I, you know, eyeliner is sometimes tricky for me, if you are basically, I it's like every woman can relate to this who uses eyeliner, it's kind of a time commitment. It's like am. I gonna get them. Even don't go in with fear. Don't go on with me here. Eric sees me doing eyeliner, and he'll just like walk by the room. And just be like don't go in with fear. Does. That's why I say to myself. I sit there in the mirror saying that to myself. That's so funny. You just have to go for it. Yeah. Well, I sometimes like our liners most the times I like Ireland is to have a little wiggle room. Like, you don't have to get them. So perfect there smudge is okay, exactly. But they have to be the right consistency. You know, they need to be smudge. Oppal? You know what I'm saying? But then stop smudging at a certain point just locks in exactly see people think beauty is like simple. This is. This is like this is freaking rocket science. It's pretty close Tulsa about the viscosity of this line. You're about to raise the Jillian Dempsey Kohl liner. I think our products are great. This has a built in smuggler, which is also it's really soft which I should have just said outright. It's very soft. But it deposits a lot of pigment. A lot of the smudge ones. You put it on. It's like, yeah. I know why it's Mudgee because like it ain't shit. You know what I mean? No, it's Mudgee and dense, and then you just flip it around. And you've got the perfect smudge or it's not too hard. And like, you know, just bendy enough, and you can smudge it out now to be fair. I put this on like, eight o'clock in the morning just. Yes. Absolutely. So it's still it's like definition around the lash line, but not like a wing and create this is not by God if you would not want to wing this. But I definitely just kind of drew it out a little bit, and that's much with the brush, and then it sets and the color that I love is this gorgeous chocolate Brown. It's the perfect chocolate Brown because it doesn't have a lot of sparkle in it. Some of them have. Sparkle I've been doing chocolate Brown line or to I think it's more flattering sometimes than black. It's so much more flush, you know, get on in years. I used to write that tip. When I was like twenty three year old beauty editor like if you're at a certain age, try chocolate Brown instead of black. It's more flattering. And now it's like here we are like army chocolate Brown. I see. Well, somebody. It's so funny. I did like a TV thing the other day on this woman. Put black eyeliner on me. And it was idea. I've realized it like after an I was dumb and my heart sank because we didn't have time to go back. I shouldn't have chocolate Brown years. Miss chocolate Brown years, look at all you have to look forward to Tiffany excited. Yeah. All right. Raise a wand. Thanks for listening that miscarriage produced by our friends at at will media. You can check out our website fat miscarriage dot com for episode recaps, product recommendations and discount codes. 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Ep. 51 Hair Colour Legend Christophe Robin, founder of Christophe Robin Hair Care

Breaking Beauty Podcast

39:41 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 51 Hair Colour Legend Christophe Robin, founder of Christophe Robin Hair Care

"The following podcast is a deer media production. There were a lot of the bottles at the time and one day may be at ground with exhausted the meal so were starting so I did on individually star kala which has a to cut and after his ten mcmenamy, which was my favorite muddle ever came, and I did the same kind of color on her. And when she arrived in Milan, and she van Linda the same color. She took her half cut it off put it in an envelope. Sending like the end she send it to me saying take it back. I smoke them to breaking beauty the podcast olive at the best selling beauty products and the damn good stories behind them where your hosts Carleen Higgins and Jill done. Welcome back to breaking beat podcast, everybody high. Carleen hijau. How are you? Great. I'm having a good hair day. And so whenever I have a blow out and got my waves done. Yeah. I'm just you know, a more confident. Yeah. You you've got a sunbeam hitting you right now. Bit and gel extra highlight. Yeah. Does that have something to do with our guest today? You know, it we have Kristoff row bent in the house. He is a decades long hair color master straight from France. I think everybody is going to be obsessed with him because his approach to hair color is so different than what we're used to hearing. Not only that he's one of the only founders that we've that we really know of that has his own line of hair care. Yeah. That's right. He does have hair colors now, but he's really more focused on the health of the hair. Great and the health of the scalp treating it kind of like the skin on your face. And just what the belief that the healthier that your scalp is the more beautiful your hair will look and feel very French approach. So while you guys may not know his name, he has been sort of the mastermind behind many trends that we have seen at the drugstore because he was a color expert with Lori Al Perez for many many years yet worked on so many commercial. Oh, my God people of haughty Schiffer. And Latisha Casta. And I think what is also interesting about him is that he really was at the right place at the right time and made his Mark with all of the supermodels that we know and love from the mid nineties. That's right. He worked with Stephanie Seymour. Claudia Schiffer an L McPherson. And he became the guru that they could go to where their hair would stay healthy. So I if you were a Linda Evangelista on you're going from blonde to Brown to red hair, you needed to go to somebody who wasn't gonna let your hair fall out because they were only concerned about what your hair look like for that next shoot. And that's really part of his endgame is the longevity of your hair, the health of your hair. I mean, somebody's got to be looking out for it. Yeah. And that just made everyone flocked to him including celebrities like, Catherine Deneuve. Yup. Tilda Swinton still works with Catherine denote today. Let's so amazing. Yeah. Christoph began apprenticeship at just fourteen years old now when other kids were. Saying soccer and the yard. He was like doing hair color. So that was in a small town in France where he grew up, and he opened his first salon when he was just twenty four years old, and what was unique about the salon. First of all, it was very small was one chair and one saying in Paris in Paris, but it was dedicated solely to the task of hair color, and that concept did not exist. Yeah. If we're everywhere else was, you know, you get your haircut and then roller side. Yeah. You know, the barber. It's all happening. This was the color was the star of the shell. And his approach to hair-color was really about radiance and bringing out your features, and I would feel really privileged that. I got to witness that firsthand today when he told me my hair color was perfect but go on. So today we were at lacking co salon here in Toronto and Kristof sat with me, and he was really examining my complexion, and sizing up my color. So as some of you may know, I'm blonde little bit of Hayes. Well in my in my collar, and he said in the Frenchaccent, which I will not try to imitate. He said, I feel you like to go more Ashi, but you should be more golden. So you're fighting the gold. I'm fighting the gold, and I'm just sitting there going on yet. He knows it. And he said if you go more Ashi your eye color will look ugly. I love the no filter. I know I feel like maybe it was a bit of lost in translation, you know, struggling for words, but also altered so just no filter, and it's like great give, you know, give me the honest goods. That's like an honor that he was just that that straight up with you one hundred percent one hundred percent. And I said who's my hair goals icon? He's like Julia Roberts. I'm going to start downloading all the pictures, and I could see it, honestly. Wow. In nineteen ninety nine. He started his own line of haircare, which was all based on his experience in the salon. What he was seeing his in his clients the problems they were having he was out to solve those problems through the these products that he created and so over the course of the last twenty years in he has about thirty products not a lot. He's not launching them. Go go to just just for the just for the sake of launching. He is going after like, you said this problem solution type of thing. And I really appreciate the the whole notion and philosophy behind the products because it is very. French. They're all about treating their hair like fabric. There are no the whole concept of blow dry bars in France. Or in Paris. It just doesn't exist. People don't do it because they view heat styling and curling irons and all of that. It's just so it's just so damaging for the hair. They don't do it. Right. It's like your best Chanel blazer. Yakima. Throw it in the wash days, you're going to let it air dry and take it to the dry cleaner once in a blue moon, right? And yeah, people are always like what's the secret with French girl hair? Will we are telling you right now, they don't use heat implements, and they put a scrunchy on the top of their head roll around a bit in bed and wake up and they have Privitera. Exactly. And I think it's really commendable that twenty years later, he hasn't gone down the path of hair sprays gels and Moose's and all of that. He's really stuck to his vision, which is about taking care of the scalp and the health of the hair. So let's talk about the bestseller right in two thousand thirteen Christoph launched the cleansing purifying scrub with sea salt. Yeah, it sells for fifty three dollars in the US sixty seven dollars in Canada. It's sold at select salons and also Sephora, but it's in a tub, and it's meant to be a sort of a shampoo treatment, which is different. Yeah. So it looks like a sea salt scrub like when I you first open at your am. I supposed to scrub my cellulite with this on my scalp. I'm not quite sure yet if chunky guys chunky and salty. Yes. So you take a tablespoon out and my experience with it is that you should put it in the palm of your hand out a little bit of water. And then when you're washing your hair in the shower, really work, the salt in to the roots. And as you add more water. Are you are going to be almost defying it? And it does foam up just like apple a law. I was very skeptical of this product when I first started using it because I think the word cleansing, I think the word purifying, and I think the word scrub, and I just think my color investment, washing down the drain, and but really this is a great product for me because it was designed for people who get a little bit itchy or have sensitive scalps after they colored which I definitely get. So if you have any kind of sensitive scalp or a little bit of flaky nece or dandruff, I think you'll really like this, and it's meant to be used kind of like once a week or so or right, especially right after you. Call your color your hair, I would not use this every day. It surprised me that how should I actually loved it, and my hair felt so clean. Well, if you think about the effects of going into the ocean when you have psoriasis have really dry skin, and it makes your skin more hydrated and just soothed. I think that's really what he was after with using salt. And I think, you know, you'll hear it in the podcast that they used to use real. Salt and sort of. And he just you know, took it to his chemist and made it into a product everyone could use. But what I like about it is it's essentially a Dettori defying. So now, of course, there are charcoal champagne and all of that. But that's really what it's about the promises that it's gonna leave your hair feeling cleaner longer. They say up to three days I found because I have dry ends. I could take it right to five days, and I love that. Yeah. And there's a sister product which they used on me today. It's the purifying shampoo so much like you would exfoliating once a week with your favorite scrub on your skin, this is sort of that idea for your scalp. So you would shampoo every day with this. And you use the scrub once a week or whenever you feel like you needed it and big news in April Kristof is launching a new addition to the range, it's called detangling jelly with C minerals. It said to have the potency of a mask, but with a super light jelly consistency. That won't way hair down that would be perfect for my birds nest that I always got after I shampoo. I'm very curious about that before we move on. I wanna talk really quickly about this unique product he has it is a hydrating shampoo bar with Alexandra. It looks like a bar of soap, it's twenty two US dollars twenty-six in Canada. This is one of those love it or low that products. I had heard about it from a few other beauty editors I'm going to try. It report back. I'm all about minimizing this year. And I think this'll be great because you can use it when you're traveling on your hair and on your body and Christoph himself said it takes using it about three times to get the hang of it because it's not going to suds up quite as much as maybe you're used to. It's a different feeling. And but I love the idea he said astrologer obsessed with it see like a lot of forward thinking zero waste kind of communities in Seattle. And San Francisco are obsessed with it. So let's get into the episode your boat to hear some amazing tips from Kristoff like how you should be washing your hair for how many minutes, and you know, the correct method and what not to do especially when it comes to. Dry shampoo. I was shook without tip. Honestly. And you'll also hear the best advice Kristof ever received which was from none other than Monsieur e seller on and because nobody's perfect. You'll find out the one hair-color faux pas Kristof cop to that caused an angry supermodel to do something pretty ugly knocking the day. He's no phones thrown but it was kind of on that same Alenia. Yeah. But first, let's hear about Kristof Robens life before he ventured out to the big city of Paris to conquer the world of hair color at the tender age of eighteen. I'm fist full. I am f- go from Peres. And I started to be product line moving twenty two years ago at my own news age as it could. It's that time of a big top models. And after it was the beginning of a beautiful distribution in fifty to fifty five countries now about where you grew up, and what life was like for you there. Grew up. I grew up in the countryside in a little village of one hundred sixty people in some pain FRANZ. My parents will. And and they will no settlement around and every Sunday as a my mother had a friend used to meet altogether in the kitchen to to Columbia hand to to to transform this themselves that smell like, do you? Remember what I'm Monia? That's funny. Because after I worked follow highly as a consultant to make them give them off mass maquette, and I worked for the brand my mother, and a friend used it's called by fails. It's still going on. Let trust me. I did put a lot of out creating a Seitz of his lawyer Allah books is still move entity Kate, and so what was your day to day life like growing up in sort of a smaller town. I think we hear a lot of beauty founders who are from Paris. And they that's sort of like, they it's sort of fell into very naturally what was day to day life like for you the real country life childhood. I hated it to be honest with you. I hated it so much I was just looking at the planes in the sky wishing could travel my parents have traveled. They win stupid indicated film that I was dreaming of another life. It was a you know, when you will CHAI in a little family you had to work. Everybody's saying oh children's network. I believe you know, when you work with your parents when they have a nut seasonal job. Oh thumb. It's a great thing to work. So the thing I would do is after this cool to pick up the cows. We've my bicycle and the dogs in the field that was the nice part because the cows of one. To be meal to you know, willing rush, so they would come very fast Davis stable, but fell the way back to as Mojo travel because we want to have a walk around. But I was a dreamer. I was dreaming. And I and I I'm sad to see my nieces and all of us kids now spending so much time on their phone and on social media because you don't have time to dream. I had a best life until now because I dreamt of it it may mean the best dream of can have that you not want to travel to want to be free to own to be true to yourself and to to to achieve Olry you when you got to Paris. I was not even seventeen. Oh, yeah. Let's about going to Paris at such a young age and how you would arrive in working at a salon before that. I worked as an apprentice. When I was fourteen years old to sixteen years old in the little city that the sixty. Does away from my hometown. And I loved it. Because that was a Nolde co his from the sixties we used to Canada's sisters. And they are the culture of treatment and caring for the hair, which was very heavy that that time when arrived in Paris, it was the title of your position the fulminate show in the west changing of silicone poorly, man. Women used to go to side to to stay there once or twice a week over Seoul's and all of an F took thanks to this kind of film nation and the easy to detangle, and we'll becoming flat before you like volume. But now everybody wanted to have free hair they sneak. So it was a big change into hand is the time letter from size arrive at the time. France is Vilnius. I don't and to be honest with you we lost a little bit. We artisanal way because with France is what they wanted to have techniques that would be fast economy can secure in Sydney silo, you know, they would spend hours on the client to sue has. It would be a at p and it would last. So when I read in it was a kind of shocked because I learned at that women that we used to wait for cast as sound soil fashion. You know to has. Even me was questioning myself saying, but I'm you know, I'm like Nolde. I'm only seventeen event I'm already like an old L studies from the failed. Teas. But I am glad roller. She looked like an old lady I can do that for. Do that for you? But it's it's like in music that can jazz it may sound a little weird as but trust me, the let varies a lot of technique behind that. It's the same thing. Now, you I see young S tidiest when Vidal Vidal you don't look at the volume, you know, the top. He's Elisa flato as a thing missing that you don't see me. I have a lot of pleasure when I watch age cook movies that to see a beautiful twos and predict Nick about it as an looked mudder on the Faucheux that the basis of that Nova's volume the way you want to be sue of Ila hair around your faces per fact that Steeler something important, but to go back about my I would naive. I was when I ride in Paris. I worked for her zone. Do we have on with the time has the biggest chain of over nine hundred seven one of them. And they had this team in the same time. And one of his s tidies asked me to come onto Lohan suit with top model defense team. Oh, I knew idea of she was beaten only the Lindbergh was the fatigue half and Linda county low of defend with whether makeup artist and how a such a country by ad no idea of where with people that. I love that. Great. Title. I'm very early at the big, and the nice always I want to ask you because choosing hair-color as a path is quite unusual or not. We haven't talked to many founders that are color is. So why did you choose that path versus cutting hair that lady? I was an apprentice who told me right away. You have tons of greatest ideas everywhere could oh, he's a Nazi no job. That's funding about nobody wants to do it and driveways disappointed at a time. Because it was not funny of your color. It was less spectacular. And the when the tidiest and she said to me become a good office. You'll see your client will be very loyal to you. And you'd work, and it seems that she was right. And it seems that she made me alike that job. And I've read that you said, you don't really you didn't really like cutting hair. Was there a story or an anecdote about a really bad haircut? You did that turned you off or too many? Like what you wanted to Bob becomes his salt? Because there's always on so sorry. Stephanie seymour. Guess you're having a pixie today. No cut cut cut is something. I can't do so much my friends in the countryside. Ville begging me to him. I I'm like, I don't know today that he went joined the. Join the address. So you do it. You do it. Then invest me twice. So going back to that day that you were on set with Peter Lindbergh. What did you learn that day in how did your career start to grow? After that. I learned I loan. I believe the most important thing that I kept out of my life. And I believe that's Linda contel over makeup out. These two told me so. She said to me you have to break your techniques because if she'll too technical it won't catch relight, she explained to me and telling their love contrast on his pictures and me from each by living must new bit. I know I was willing to learn every single breath every single world, and she showed me she said units in black and white likes the deep contrast. If you do you every centimeter from the back, you won't have it so out can you do to to to to to to break it to break your technique. So something I kept found on time. And and. And I was lucky I'm lucky too because it was the beginning of top models. Stiffen didn't wanna cut on a half. She liked what I did. Because that past of caring, too, you know, because fell who's girls at the time was building a hat. So as I had passed of caring. She didn't she lanting onto ha it's felt good NFL. She gave my name to a lot of gals at the beginning of him carry them. I understand you open Jay hair color, salon at a very young age. And that was sort of a first right, in fact in Perry's there. Well, Noah silo Decatur the fell haircut, I'm treatment, and I didn't believe in via cessation of s tiniest Necker is because at the time when you used to go to a half animal. There was the stylist would tell the color his to do. And there's some techniques. Issues. Sometimes these studies didn't you do the note in? No. So it was always a problem. Like, you know, a rather girl who would come within our whatever. And without go down. You're gonna look go go, go blonde. Del just do it. And if there was on now, you complete cheat or whatever, you know. So it has raised a problem. So I looked for his silent way I could have worked. It was always karate batmans is always in the basement on the top node chew. They had you in the closet all the time. We've black robes black towels. You couldn't see the skin tone, another that's idea and believe in that. So I find a little money for some friends and our put up inside of a cult ya. Other early twenty square meter Siloam had no money at the time to redo everything. So I to a friend of mine west selling seal, so we did a lovely seal dak- around to either misery, and actually it was a little jewel bugs that will sell and twist right away. Twenty four. Oh my gosh. So young I've been working since years already. Wow. And you have that same salon to the state, right or you've just move move movie twists so little thirty. But so cute. It wasn't a hotel. And it was I was it was cheap at the hood at the time. It was a at the end of recenter no high and after could arrive them that was great stuff of twenty years of end the entire neighborhood change and became expensive. So my first invest in a good one, I moved after I moved to if you tell me, he's. It's a palace, and I rented two bedrooms to transform into silo. I stood there for seven years. But after I suffered it'll be that people in this with say, okay, it's tough. It's only fell towels and before the same product so west fade. I'm not at all if any sitting capital might say, I am not I'm not just much than I am. No, I wanted to be mohawk symbols of a product and for myself. So I went into REBA show more, which is you. So you can be an audience if you come to Perez go in that neighborhood. It's I just stayed there. My friend went to your salon. Did she like she loved loved it because it's very autism. No. It's a working neighborhood. You have tons of two houses tons of people who love what we do. You know, like the mother works. We've sun and do the best sandwich. Simple. But so good, and I love what you're doing. And I love to to be in that neighborhood. And we opened up a boutique where people can come for free like into a makeup style to have education because people don't know how to west there have to detangle hair values too much products. If I don't rinse them enough of so much to save at the come. We sit we have a coffee or. Whatever. And and we explain them our to to take good care of ham. And so working with all of these celebrities as you said, what's the wildest thing? That's ever happened on sad. Or in the chair one of my one of my v shuck actually was. Potent overstep nodoze at to find a mauve and fo- Heidi's a year as a ton summation ideas and other L detail, you know, on the oldest girls. And there were a lot of top models at the time, you know, and one day may be exhausted the meal so west touting so I did on individually style it would says a to cut. I'm Leah weird to be an interview and after his ten mcmenamy, which whereas my favorite muddle ever came, and I did the same kind of color on how. And when she arrived in Milan. And she so Linda the same Carla. She took her half to cut it off put it in a number up send it back to end. She send it to me saying ticket back him. As a crazy time. Yeah. But fill me, you know, I was still controlled by Ray twins bills Shug because I loved because then mcminn back friends again shoe Doda Lilly. She's stunned come believe and overs girls have daughters, if they will nine knees. I be sad them. I traveled with them and not twenty three twenty four. Tell us how your line came to be. What was the thinking? I I'm very proud of that product line because you know, I have no backups behind me. I do exactly what I won't win. I won't and my product on the trendy at all that's why some of them are still best citizen smell and twenty years at says, I did this product on my own use age. I always had contract with big brands as it comes silt. And so I worked with chemist very early in mecca, and one was a great came is called Joseph Inkatha, and I was we became friends, and I said half to dream products because I said to him, you know, a lot of product on the market for dry hair, but was Lee pizza there. So fake advice. Don't get inside there. And when they do they push out very move yet. If sold colo-, which is actually a great trick for your audience because if must other women. They come out of a yes, I'd always Sam to dock they don't act the first day and specifically around the face, the wet Vicks old could do is take a very heavy oil such as aga-. No. And puts it with a barrage where it's too dark and you sleep with that. And you see you're going to do is say them taking good care of Johann. But yesterday don't all night instead of bitching. Oh, rushing with the dandruff shampoo. Whatever. So I said to vet chemists I have to drink products. I would like to have a vegetable I I'll because I feel that the have become empower s they lose the lipoic film that protects it they're becoming breakable. So I need an and after I need a shampoo at some. We've the tangent. Because how could I Wes, you know, somebody that I bleed for alpha day with something that the I want to remove residues of cat. I want an acid ph to lock all the good is inside the ham. So he did to products which is still eleven nineteen thousand mass grave, lemon the familiar never changed. And at the time he said to me, maybe the best innocent. I did bed. You'll never sell it because it has the time of a western go. It says the time. Where women wearing a resume to to as behind five minutes and. The two in one time. Twenty minutes to us. You have. And so where did it go from there? So this first two products to Mohi did some proven via sig P H. Nobody does that you know. It sounds stupid. When when you do you do going to an alkaline ph because you advocate, secure to dissolve the natural pigment. NFL since thirty years. They do is coating ahead. We've put him AOL city Cohen, which is absolutely oh able of. And my way was to look once again ova Gouda lipids inside your hand to lock it with mechanic collection in the all time is to gene again on your hair to balance, the the alkalinity of still fate of his so I've had so it's still my same way. After I two of products of says, we jump line and Coletta pinup collides verbs still. I was telling you about they wanted the product. And as everybody wanted to wet Colette it started like that. I studied to be a distributor. We've had. We've had even thinking of it about it. Like right place right time that exactly always. So, you know, I'm always thinking, whatever above because I'm lucky boy, always right time, right place. So let's talk about the bestseller that cleansing purifying scrabble with sea salt I used it yesterday. I used it as well. So it's supposed to keep your hair clean for. Longer. Tell us about why you think people love that particular product so much and also is it a scrubber? Is it a shampoo a vis product came executive the right time once again, and I'm going to tell you the story about that product because it's once again, come insane. So an an old on meta recipe that have a lot of movement who are suffering of each theft of Colo when you do via Qaddafi goes into your habit. It goes into your scalp, and in some Siloy, DHS, terrible yoga's stunt doesn't give a doesn't care who's gonna rain CO hair. And especially in the back, you know in your neck where you are on the base in because it's hot. It's up learning pulse of your scalp, and that chemistry goes into your scalp and at night out of rains like that. They put a coat of silicone, nobody male on the top of it. And at night you elect its each into your head. And you're like I'm doing good us since twenty years, I'm going to stop because and becoming an edgy. Cumulation reasons that as we used to much styling product too much, dry shampoo. You don't arrange the shampoos enough you put too much pull, you know, and 'specially shower as on the top in the US so in the neck, you never can rates enough. And it felt like there was a lot of death onto his Cav with make people alleged to anything, you know, because it wasn't accumulation. I talked to my lab, and I say why is this old so effective to block alleges and to remove over his dues said if you look into the books of Abba history since hundreds of years everybody use that against so he has this a cult. We do shampoo that would crab because you have to be Custos than this crab could be terrible for your scattered. Big Eva, don't dissolve like United usually deeds, a whatever and they don't deserve. It's got a rebound effect. Onto your canvas. Cal. Comes Mel greasy right away. So silt was the best ingredient because it would dissolve right away onto your scalp in Saint Thomas. So it's a shampoo that you do after at first I said, I did have a product. And I sent it to all of my Salem because we sell the product in the of saying do that after collaborate. Everybody called me for three months after say. Wow. So mea was surprised to be an essay never folded. We've had success. I fought it with the NFL oily scalp teenagers, but I never thought it would be enormous success. But it seems that because people use too much styling product don't go to bed. We've dry shampoo is onto your head. Don't it's that going to bed with makeup onto your skin your your scalp. Come rave, it's becoming greasy again and Greece's cap is one of the south goes of analysts. So that's crab is doing so and and plus arrest Cavs scalp. You know, when you have to his and you. Bleed. So how could it onto his cap? You have to think about this cat. You know, it's something a little us for this cat that was one of the things that struck me about looking at your line as a whole how I think it's different than other hair-color lines is because it seems like you pay a lot of attention to the scowl was that part of in your mind, as you were developing your line that you had to look at the skin as well as shooting for shoe of you know, I don't do product just to do products enough producer with a plastic on the planet where I do when I do product wanted to have saints. You know, real sense. So there was nothing on the MAC cat that would take like that of this Caterpillar, it means that removing residues and the same time we have in in that film nation, something it works a little bit like natural Public cO biotic it's made out of haute. And it's going to keep the I dress. Action of your skarupa up to four five days because I don't want you to your head over time. I want you to keep your train because when you have a fragile Carlo itchy west shit. Like crazy for sure it's gonna nice can't can't let you go. Without asking about color, trends, number one question. What is the number one question? You get from women about their hair color for the kids. They used to come with a picture of girl, which was the staff of the time to say I want to be like and since two years, nobody comes with a picture in Email. They'll said to me look at me. What would be the best for me? I won't love Lance. No aggression on the hair, and I won't come forth. I don't want it to. I don't want to be forced to go back to the Sela every five minutes because sometimes you have vices circled join Aventis called because there's unless you do a glass, but vigorous is a little bit of exhibitions of choice like putting no makeup on a bad skin. Tha that people don't want that in. People want to come to settle and was worried truly visible dislike about color all around the world. That's how you let off brands are coming up with veget- all color. Wechat because you know of his visit all Cutler Vava's safe of his cat, say Felber hair. But then and removable you count remove them. And goes they want to change us sometimes once lights. Be well well-known when I cry the Senate also bassoon to know what's going to happen later when you do this kind of product. So they won't fell sous les sun less Vidana come to every free weeks. And you know, you know, when you have great you're gonna have to do it. But even when you cover grays, there's a way to cover them with a little bit more transparency it like this when it grows it's not above. Yes. Rick rothe. So they really won't less less commitment in Medvedew mount Markham for and van when look good, you know, we've whether they are they don't wanna look like any somebody else anymore, which I love because you really can't enhance his features new skin. Is you can when you have Doxa Kohl's tricks south end to Luca less up here. Simple. Things was Doxa Kohl's holidays real greenish bluish something like that. So already choosing a say on your hair, which is Sydney welna? It's an Golda is going to have. And you have to even if you wanna go whatever inside you'd have to have always obeys, teeny, DACA, Vanya Doxa, Kohl's, especially when you're aging. So there are so many people who are trying to come up in the creative industry. Whether you know, they're hairstylists or make up artists. What advice would you have for them? Or what's the best advice you've ever gotten in your career to finger long-term always know to really think that long term it's stupid to say. So, but as his religion, you have to tell the truth, maybe next Joseph is going to have to be blown the red, brunette, whatever. So you have to take good care of her for but above that. I saw a lot of people. With full of trendier ago Gail of a moment. But vetted government may not be trendy two years after me, I tried to below your account everybody. But I tried to be loyal. You know, sometimes we'll hand twenty five thirty years to visit same people. He then they will not successful. They became friends and that something more important. And now, you have to be, you know, a lot of people love of young people wants to be famous right away university over I want to be famous, but me, I always remember the trendy. I rise that when I fest arriving pace I worked for many as we each tunnel Holbein sales. And I love that guy so much, and that's a French expression. I don't know. I could I think it is better told me to be trained. Eat means to be in the wind in France. You know, I don't know at don't Avella means to want to be trendy any illicit. She want to be in the wind. It's DMV of dead leaves. So never be trendy that he always told me if you want to be out of transient, you'll be you know. You're if you'll you'll be out of time that be trended. I do have to ask you speaking of your clients that you've had for decades, we have to ask about Catherine of she's probably your most famous client that you've had for so long tell us about just working with her and something that people may not know about Catherine the something people don't do and I'm going to say because because a private and and she doesn't wanna tuck. She doesn't talk about the sales. But you see that was still a time. When when you could create myth nuts talking about yourself Naveh times out different. Now, you so what you hit you. So you're s and you become famous. I believe it's going to come back because people are always wanted me, Terry, you know, they want to they want to public themselves that they want to dream, you know, so I believe that's the great example of building a carrier, and when you look in fashion, Matama, Jalen and all of his name. That still going on villainous. People will vary mysterious. Now. What can I tell you about getting you know, you can't do that kind of carry on that wonderful smelt person and get highness feels about this and the night on the lot? Thank you so much. Thank you. I thank you. Thank you. Thanks for tuning in. Visit breaking beauty podcast dot com. For details on all the damn good products. We talked about in today's episode and be sure to sign up for our newsletter that way, you'll get every episode delivered right to your inbox. You won't miss a single thing. Or subscribe to us on apple podcasts. Badeah five Stitcher. Google play wherever you get your podcast fix. And please show us some love by rating us or review in tents. See next time.

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Bethann Hardison, K. Jean-Raymond, LaQuan Smith and P. Robinson on Fashion in America | BoF VOICES

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Bethann Hardison, K. Jean-Raymond, LaQuan Smith and P. Robinson on Fashion in America | BoF VOICES

"Uh-huh. Hi, Ahmed, founder and CEO of the business of fashion and this week. We're going back to voices two thousand eighteen where we have conversations on how fashion is shaping the wider world. Beth N Hartson is sometimes called fashions fairy godmother baton helped guide the careers of the industry's most prominent models of color in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight she founded a watchdog charity in networking group of models called the black girls coalition and in two thousand thirteen she founded balanced versity promoting racial consciousness in the fashion industry, which helped change conventional notions of beauty in September. As we waited for the March Jacob showed start Bethune motion to me from across the runway that she wanted to have a chat, and some of you may remember that there was plenty of time to chat that day as the show started an hour and a half late. But then told me about a new project she was conjuring up with a CFDA to support young fashion designers, and for her talk at voices, she invited a few of her closest designer. Friends to join us and talk about their personal journeys in the American fashion industry. So baton also spoke with Kirby, John Raymond who was named winner of the two thousand eighteen CFDA vogue fashion fund Liqun Smith who has dressed beyond say riana and lady Gaga as well. As Patrick Robinson. Former executive vice president of designed for the gap who were all in conversation with our esteemed editor at large, Tim blanks. So here's American fashion on the cusp of change at voices two thousand eighteen. Out subject is American fashion on the cusp of change of equally represented these all of these people here Representative of this cusp. But I thought at us Beth fan right off the top to to actually see what she thinks the cusp of changes what she thinks this change that we are about to that. We are experiencing is well, let me. It's interesting because I'm getting to see I grew up in the garment district is kid. And that was one of my first jobs. I worked in it for many years. And what recently happened to me is seeing and discovering some designers who were actually doing something a little different than the system to system that we always knew as fashion designers fashion apparel manufacturers, it seemed to change a bit. There were finding another way to get through the system and other words, they weren't doing. They weren't going to be book by luxury brand they didn't have godfather who comes in and just give some money go. Do your thing. Like we used to have back in the day. They were doing something a little different. It was interesting to me that some of them were boys. Men. I call everybody. A boy am older. Young men of color that was interesting to me too. Because oftentimes people say where is the black designer or you know, and that really annoys me because they exist. Humane not be famous. You may not have the big business at this point. But the point of it is they exist, and they're doing things a little different and they're being faced with things that would make them have to do it a little different. Well, I wanted to assault with Kirby because as Iran said he just wanted to see if the fashion front, which means you kind of emblematic of this change in the industry. What's your take on it? I mean, what does it? What does that? What does that taken to happen? What what what have you done due to make that difference? Oversold? Everyone wants me to go. First. You know? Competition. I did my last interview for a while though the day, and I kind of let it all out one of the things that we talked about is this like these two industries is like this parallel industry that that that exists from the fashion industry that you may know, right? Like, I told you earlier that I was going through your pictures and. At the same time. There was a pow industry happening where you know, the American designers might have been Donna, Karen, Tommy hilfiger Calvin Klein. But then there was a there was a black fashioned industry that was happening. And that consisted of Kalk ni- cross colors fubu Rockaway r- Skien all of these. And. Would it was we weren't represented on one side, and we kind of created only somewhere else? So we had we had a police to be recognized and the police to be seen in the place to be her. But for whatever reason. It just never crossed. And I think what's happening now is that we aren't chain. We haven't changed how we design and how we communicate or we've just now starting to be accepted in like this wide establishment is now starting to understand that there's whole other thing that's that that that existed and thrived without cross colors in the nineties. It was two hundred eighty million dollar your business. Fubu half a billion dollars business before whatever reason wasn't in vote wasn't in. Glamor, but it was in. Word up and source and all these different things. And now you've got these worlds that are crossing and people in the white establishment who try to label it trying to box it in call it street wear. Call it call it whatever fuck they wanna call it. But. It's not have to be labelled is now is just all merging in. You know, we were we were we were the diffusion of the fashion industry for a long time. And now, we're we're mainstream. What you think is what about that change in attitude? I think the other day I side at this really pathetic. Conference of whatever the fuck. It was supposed to. The diversity and inclusion thing and everybody's well. Meaning I think everybody means well, I think, you know. Without intention. But I, but I, but I, but there was a few things that was said in the room and few people in here were in that room. And it was like activism is good for business. More than anything. It's good for business. Inclusion is really good for business. Look at the bottom line, and this person had a chart, and he was like look at the bottom line, but the numbers of gone up. We've we've we've included black people. Now, the numbers have gone. And I'm like what the fuck is this bullshit. This is the dumbest this is the dumbest shit ever seen in my life. And so I got up and I walked out. I I'm walking out me but talked about work walking out of shit early. I walk out of stuff all the time. This was this was the first this was the first time that was included in that conversation. And, but this is, you know, unfortunately, I felt like I had to walk out because it's too many. And it was like it was just too many commiserating about things that. Didn't apply to them or or mislabeling? And it was it was just it just seemed really pathetic. And it's seemed like it seems like for some people. It's altruism because they have black people around them, and they have people call around LGBT communities around disabled, people, whatever all these different different other types of people around them that that don't fit the mold and they feel like they should be included. They're like, I feel like, hey, I'm I look I to want to be come to this party with me. I wanna I wanna interesting. So those altruistic people trying to include us, but then you have other people who think that activism inclusion diversity all the shit that we're talking about. Now is a trend. It's not. It's not a trend. It's it's it's it's more more than anything. It's the right thing to do. I don't understand. Why industry that's so influential so late. I can't I can't speak to shit to happen before I was born. But I can just say that. I'm happy that it's happening. I question everything though. I do question. I'm cognizant of my place where I'm being used in how people placing me in these rooms and why I'm being asked to speak. And why why I'm being asked to talk about race versus my story and all these different things and cognitive all of that. But I, but at the same time, I understand the responsibility for me to do it. Even though it's uncomfortable because I'm gonna I'm it's part of me leaving the door opened after me after leave. I want. I want to say, thank you. To talk about what he's mentioned when he mentioned the urban brands urban branch was something that came along because every reflecting society at the time the community which was hip hop rap. That infused our garment district at the time in America. It added to the revenue they were talking to their audience. What I'm impressed with right now with this young man, this young man, this young man to is that they're speaking to their audience. So the difference is not so much of what they have to do where they come from. How it is. It's just the time. It's time for it. So they're reflecting the community. They're talking to the audience. They're that trying to talk to quote, unquote. No disrespect to any publication of say. For instance. They're not talking. They're not expressing themselves in that way. They're expressing themselves in need that they have a call for. And that makes a difference. Now. I mean, I did that have nothing. What makes way I admire both of you for that that they truly are talking to their audience, and that's change in fashion because I been doing this forever thirty some odd years, and there there has been where where gender and color was used as advertising, and I was a part of that. Right. So that's and you see that. And that's that is what you're bringing up that use it for the bomb line. But then there's no one in the executive suite that is pursuit of color or all the genders represented. And I think that's the that's that's a big change that I think all three of our companies are are doing differently is that we are speaking directly to an audience that we understand who we are. But when Beth and Anna, and I would talking last night. I'm just curious about the shit that happened before Kobe was born we would we were talking about a time. When the diversity issue was-. Shoot. Because it just was it just seemed oddly enough. There was a moment in fashion where things were a lot more diverse chilling. You had designers who are of color. They recognized the media recognize them and said, call them black designers because it was something that was happening for the first time in an industry. There were people like Scott, Barry and John haggen 's. Stephen boroughs. Nope. Before Patrick, I'm I'm the elder. All right. Willy willey. Smith Stephen barrels say, they cut me off. Then Patrick Kelly came a little after true that. So there was a time that was the black fashion model was existing. You know, there were there were girls who were on the runways because then it was the difference between one way in print. So the white girls mostly did print very fuel a lot of white girls. Also did in no runway, but there were two different divisions. So the runway models was a division where they helped support the design designers in the industry. So you always saw them, you know, and that's why when we went to Cyprus I forty five years today. Forty five years today aside battled for site. You may not know what I'm talking about. But Google the fact of it is is that. See the movie and see in the movies, and then HBO is coming up too. But the fact of it is right now that you saw that time of the girls went to to Paris to to aid the precise. Cy benefit that time. There were a lot of girls of color, and that wouldn't alumi- g bone. She and many designers from the French side. So we've had diversity along. But then it disappeared. And why disappear we can blame one house fashion. And we can also blame some people who came from another country who basically casting directors. We never had casting directors before cashing directors changed everything. And that was when all of a sudden, you didn't see even maybe Linda Evangelista in a fashion show because that was too glamorous for certain designer. I think. That state so strongly with meat from experiencing fashion in that time and seeing how it came. I guess literally whitewashed, but I think what's really interesting now when I look at designers like Liqun Kirby is that there's a it's called that called. I've seen them referred to as polymath which really interests me that the approach is a multi focal approach, you know, that that when they're looking at fashion this so many other elements included and just the act of design. It's when you do more than one thing, you know, and you think your Shoka be for example, was a great was great. The last show is a great example of the levels that you could approach that that show from me. -cation the inspiration the graphic element. You know, the narrative is so strong. And that's really what fashion seems to be so hungry for now. That's content. You all just look at pardon. You all I don't mean. You know, you're my poor. But. You know, content you creating because you need to make sense of something. This is just clothing designing and people just being inspired. They're inspired. I mean, I looked at the show of liquid and I was very happy. His very first show. You know, how old are you? Now are just turned thirty. Okay. I show was win age twenty one. Okay. I show he goes out there, and he's got fancy people. They're supporting him. I don't even know who the guy is. But I'm sitting there looking. All right. I shall second show. I seen. I didn't see it at shows until this last season, and it was impressive to me for many different reasons because he was he too was speaking to his audience, but it was how he used certain things like, you know, this one on the Shamu slip. Dress was the print of mugshots of women who work actually in prison and that right? Then was very important. So we're talking about controversial things and community things and social conscious things, right? In addition to making. Design. That's what inspires him. He saw that the things in spy Kirby assembled thing to me too. He just he he speaking from a reference, so when fashion in the editors they will have to come up with something because they've got something to write even I when I had to come to look at this shows at the sink of thing. So I proceed but looking for content to me, it's just making close. But it's also speaking to an audience, but it speaking to people, they know they're leading charge to me. They're sort of speaking to an audience that says here, I feel that it's not meant for everyone to feel but other people get behind because becomes like a moment in time Liquan, again, we were talking last night and talking about the way you'll businesses is growing, and it seems to be growing, very successfully. Would you have a great custom audience, but you want to you want to expand the way designers expand they expand through wholesale. There. Are there are people? Doug Stevens who spoke Brennan Leahey LSU. And I think is this year as well who would say that wholesale is not the future that this notion of personalization is is the way forward, which are doing very very successfully ready is is is something about this change of change. That isn't just what you're doing. But how you doing? I think so, you know, in my opinion, everything that I have done from the very beginning has been unconventional. It hasn't been the proper formula to how to be successful in fashion at least from if a young kid wants to be a designer. What are they going to do? They're going to Google's going to tell you what kind of schools to go to just the proper steps. And I tackled those things and I did not succeed. So what happens when you're young kid from Jamaica, queens, and you don't have the money or the resources to go to the fancy schools that you wanna go to or even have the connections to be able to say I want I want to manufacture my my clothing line. Where are you going to get the money from who's gonna really help you? So I think from all of the. Lack of resources that I had. I just did from what's within you know, I think that my entire success has been from a spiritual journey. I believe that you know, I have a natural gift that natural talent to construct into create a Nassir too. Make women youthful make women look beautiful and the way that I did that was very unconventional. I started out with a custom business. But before I even had a business. I was walking around New York City given women leggings that I was inspired by. And so when you when you see me in the club, you would see me in New York. It was like that's the legs. Boy, you know what I mean? But I was way more advance that I was way more than just make create leggings, but I didn't have the platform of the unity to really showcase a full collection. And so with all that being said, it was all of these different hurdles that I had to sort of overcome and all of these different things, and I had to figure out. How can I how can I create a business? How can I really get a business going? How can I get you know, editors bias come and see my collections, and with that being said everything that I have done has really just been from the ground up. When I talk about self-financing when I'm talking about models. These my my friends my girlfriend's I'm saying, hey, can you do me solid favors? And it's just the or. Ganic nature of people genuinely loving when I'm creating that allowed me to become successful. If that makes any sense. Well, I can't believe that we just had zero this. So I'm going to ask you one first. Okay, ma'am. I be too long. You are. Okay. Let me. The reason why went to say something about Patrick is. Because as I speak about the each one of them speaking to the audience, Patrick who has the most experience in the industry, which is interesting to me. He's had he's done it all like, the regular within the system, quote, unquote. And that sometimes you get to a point in your life where where the Kirby Orla Kwan gets to that point two week. There's nobody else listening. Nobody's talking to you. You have a business. You no longer have that position that you had particular job and you have to start from zero again. And I think what's interesting to me with someone like Patrick that. He actually speaking to an audience too and the audiences really people like I asked Patrick doesn't have to do a collection every season. He's speaking he's job. So the point of it really is that he's doing something sustainable way. But he's doing it in a way that speaks to a lifestyle, and that's become really great because it becomes from the ecommerce position. And that's interesting. And that's why I wanted to be able to speak on that. Because I think that everyone doesn't need to wear. Lots labels any more some people like just basics. And I think that's what I love about what he's started. And I love with the Quan does. And I love what Kirby does too because all of them are doing something that speaks to my soul from the sixties in the seventies. We'll because we're coming from I come to my business from values like everyone else's coming. We're bringing values we bring my values. Are I care about after running big companies and being craving big companies? I cared. I looked at gap. I never spoke about this. But after leaving gap I saw the pollution that we did. I saw the looked around and sweet I didn't see myself. Yeah. Right. So when I started my business it was about I want. I would people of color are different genders. I would I more women worked for me the man, but that's it. I didn't fix it that way, I just won't a company that has. My values, and we do things responsibly because I care now. So all of that is the same thing that we're all doing it's I'm not we were talking about this earlier don't label me as a black designer, I'm black. I'm also designer. I wanted to ask. One less. One less comment. Cusp of change change is change. It's kind of mutual neither positive no negative. How you feeling about? This notion of change inspired. Could he eagerly? No. Yeah. I change the pertains to what the industry were to like. Fashion on the cusp of change a positive, I think American fashion in this on a popular opinion. But I think we're leading as far as like change. We're the only ones having these conversations in Paris in Milan. In Germany in Tokyo. I will only having this conversation. Well, and. This. That's happening. Here happens every day. No matter how bad that conference. Was that? I went to the day in New York we have. You know, what I mean like, there's an there's an active community of established people on establishing and unestablished people who were at least trying to speak to each other. And I think the matter what you what no matter what the past was with the old the old guard without be like Steven Cohen and winter or whatever I know now that from being in ruled with them that they are actively trying to learn, and that's that's something that I think is unique to American fashion. So. I love I love and hate my industry. But I wouldn't I wouldn't do any other place than in New York. Thank you very much.

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Ep. 71 MAC Cosmetics Co-Founder Frank Toskan (Re-Release)

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Ep. 71 MAC Cosmetics Co-Founder Frank Toskan (Re-Release)

"The following podcast is a deer media production. Hey guys, welcome to breaking beauty the podcast olive at the best selling beauty products and the damn good stories, behind them where your hosts Carleen Higgins and Jill done. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to breaking beauty podcasts gel. He carleen. What's up? Well, this is a very special edition for us. It's a little bit of a throwback episode it is. And that's because we're on vacation, and we hope that you're on vacation to quite honestly, listening in a car on a road trip somewhere. So let's tell everybody what we're up to. So we are revisiting an oldie, but a goody it is the story of how MAC cosmetics came to be with co founder Frank toss skin. So what better time to revisit this not only is it pride month, but MAC the brand has been around for thirty five years this year? Viva glam lipstick their philanthropic initiative, celebrating twenty five years this year, and it's the fiftieth anniversary of the stonewall riots. Right yet. Everything's just converging at once. Yeah. So before. Or you get listening. We're gonna talk all about Viva glam and the history and all the great stuff. It's done for the HIV aids community. But before we get to that we want to deliver a quick update because last year, when we launched this episode around candidates day we mentioned an academic book. So if you like to nerd out on beauty history, the book that was being written was called Viva MAC aids fashion, and the philanthropic practices of MAC cosmetics written by Andrea. Ben wa and illustrated by Donald Robertson famous illustrator. And it finally launched this month may, and we have a chat with Andrea in this episode. So you will hear from her. But at the time the book cover was so under wraps. It's amazing. There was it was a work in progress. Yeah. And now it's for sale. You can buy the book at Barnes and noble. You can also find it at Amazon. We originally produced this episode in two parts because the story, so. Epoch. Yeah. But a lot of you had given feedback that you wanted the episode on one. Long track so you can enjoy it all at once. So we deliver. Yeah, go ahead. Download it take it on your road trip and happy Canada day. Yeah. Happy pride everyone. Happy listening to. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to breaking beauty. This is Jill here. This is Carleen. So Canada day is just upon us. And you know, we've talked a lot on this show. Carleen about some hot, Canadian beauty brands yet. We've talked about nude stakes Desio. Sage the seven virtue out of these have all been guests, these people, these brands have all been guests on our show. But I think we can both agree. There's only one Canadian household name in the beauty biz, yet that even like my grandmother, if she were still here would know the name of, and that is MAC cosmetics. Yeah. Yeah. So this was like a career making moment for Jilin. I yes to be able to sit down with Frank Toscan co-founder of the original MAC, cosmetics was just like dream. Come true incredible. He this is his first interview in four years. He is very much under the rate. Dr does his own thing. He had doesn't grant interviews, a lot reason being. He's not involved in MacOS, medics and the day day Annie longer. He sold the business. Testee lauder. He and his cO fan partner. Frank Angelo, who is sadly since passed away. They sold MAC to Estee Lauder in what year was it ninety eight nine hundred ninety eight so some Jill had to do some serious. Lou thing. I did what I do which is just creep on the internet. Until I find something that I can use till she finds a way. Yes. But the thing was we knew we could do this, because he's right here on our backyard. Yeah. Let's set the scene where we were. So he actually lives in Toronto, and we sat down in his actual real life living room in a condo in York bell. We won't tell you more than that we don't want, you know, superfan starring up at his door. But yeah, we were sitting on the sofa his two dogs were there. Yeah. It was so intimate, berry li-. He is so warm. Yeah. La. Hanging out with him. We have photo evidence and it looks like we've just woken up on Christmas morning. It's hilarious. We look like family. We're all gathered around the Mike. With the couple at the dog. Yeah. Only thing that's missing is like the Russian Red lipstick. And the, the Strobe cream be weren't you far away. Let's start with a little bit of beauty school knowledge. Yep. If people do not know, MAC was founded in nineteen Eighty-four, and it stands for makeup, art. Cosmetics is tagline is all ages all races all sexes. That was the original. It's now updated to be all races all ages. All genders though, when you think about the fact that they launched without a nineteen Eighty-four. How progressive that truly was. I mean that could be a tagline. Yeah. For a makeup brand launching today. And I'm sure internally that is so many brands ethos, but they really are standing on the shoulders of giant, which is Matt cosmetic. Yup. Who broke down barriers at retail level. In people's minds. Yeah. They paved the way there would be no two faced probably know, Feni beauty matching came in, and it was like we were just hearing us. We're just gonna have cross dressers at our counter. We're going to have make up in pots who's using those stupid sponges. We don't need those like they just really are rebellious and coming out with, like, millions of colors that people thought nobody would ever buy. It was all about self expression, not products you needed. Yes. But products that you wanted to be able to express who you truly were inside and then you talk about cruelty free. You talk about recycling her mind back to MAC. I mean so incredibly progressive, you've gotta give credit where Credit's due a tribe, an army amoeba. All you knew the you know, I remember one of Linda wells editor letters, one of my favorite ones shave ever road at a lure was talking about taking a trip to Toronto and seeing tribes of people dressed head to toe in black going to like a MAC conference. No. You wanted to be part of that. Yeah. And it wasn't try hard. It was inclusive. Yeah. You know, I remember myself in the early nineties. Let's say like playing with makeup and there is no way that I was going to go out and buy any other brand at the time it was the only one that a young cool person would use. I was obsessed with twig. Yeah. Lipstick it was like a brownie movie shade that I mean, everybody wore it and spice lip liner everybody. And you're talking about, you know, super supermodels of that day. And that era to everyone, this was, like, when we were in high school, right this. Yeah. The heyday or junior high or whatever. But, you know, MAC is, is, it's still leading the charge. It still like the number one prestige brand. Even though it's been sold. You know, it's in Estee Lauder, hands now apparent company, a MAC lipstick is sold every second around the world. Yup. And its best known for my favorite I. Connick shades like ruby will remember even when Anna came out with her collection for MAC long before Fanti, beauty. She did re re at her own spin on it. Yeah. And it was so great. It's like that. Bluish red is the bestseller. There's four tubes sold every minute of Rabih. Woo around the world. It's crazy. Yeah, let's talk about philanthropy. And so in nineteen Ninety-four Viva glam was born. Yes. They launched their very first special edition. Lipstick it was a deep red. And it was completely unprecedented because one hundred percent of the sales, every penny, went back to the MAC aids fund jet, and this isn't profits. This isn't proceeds. It's not really everydollar. Nobody took a commission you're going to hear all about that later but it's just so groundbreaking and celebrating twenty five years. Yeah. So how much did they raise against four hundred eighty million dollars have gone Zane 'cause they have had, you know, topnotch celebrities that come on? Rupaul was the very first so great love rupaul and the perfect face. And again, Frank is going to tell us how that came together in the beginning. Katie Lang was another one doesn't even wear. Make how a queer woman who doesn't wear make like it back in the day when all the models were like NICKY, Taylor. Yeah. And who else was a fronting beauty campaigns back then d Crawford exactly these fresh faced all American girls, wearing the glowing makeup and he's just like no. I mean, a brand was soul is what they were exactly so much soul. Yeah. And it, it really does continue to today. And I think that is just so fantastic to see. Nikki Menasheh has done Viva glam Miley Cyrus MAC Isolde in over one hundred countries now and starting this fall, they will actually enter Sephora dot CA. Yeah, you're in Canada. Can't say the same for the US but you guys have all time. So that's going to be just one other place where. Where we can where we can find max. Let's big. That's, that's that is absolutely huge. We're going here so much from Frank. But we just wanna make a note that we got a bit of a scoop, while we were there because I was bugging him to make a Netflix documentary about back and he said that actually somebody has recently written a book, it's called Viva MAC aids Tronto fashion. And the philanthropic practices of MAC cosmetics. It's written by Andrea. Ben benoi. And it comes out in two thousand nineteen published by the university of Toronto and stay tuned. We actually get the author herself on the phone to learn more about the project and the book again, max Canadian roots, they do remain strong. Many of the bestsellers are still manufactured right here in Markham Ontario, just outside of Toronto. The MAC lipstick the MAC lip glass. Other like fan favorite, I ever tell you. When I went to Markham, I and I was there. Honestly, wasn't that long ago? Raleigh twenty twelve I was there. Okay. And I have the lab coat on. And I was making my own lip gloss. And I remember this like defining moment, where you put added the fragrance into your lip gloss color, and it's just it just brought you right back because like that because it's at the nila smell, that's something else. It really made them stand out. Yeah. That smell went into all their lipsticks and the lip gloss, which just created a whole other category. Just another example of how they broke ground. Yeah. Exactly. So you guys have your Russian read out right now. What it on get your Strobe cream your slippers out your block powder? And we haven't even touched on how a macro all the trends around the world basically for the last several decades. And what about you guys have to listen to the end because Frank is going to tell us all about his next indie startup project, which is I'm a big fan of this brand and the products already. And it will be touching down to south beach starting in about. A year. So I'm not going to give away any more than that. You're going to have to listen to part two we begin with Frank as a young child a dreamer in every sense of the word. I'm Frank Toscan. And I'm the co founder of MAC cosmetics I was born in a small town in what is now Slovenia, which used to be former Italy, what used to be former Yugoslavia. That's where I was kind of seaquest for the first six years of my life with my grandparents, because my parents were refugees at that time. And my mom was in Italy. My father was sort of trying to get out of Yugoslavia. So I, I grew up with my grandparents. My grandmother was a dressmaker. So I sat beside her for endless hours. And that's I think we're my interest in fashion, and design came from sitting beside her. I started using the pedal sewing machine, and, and that's kind of like where I got, I think a lot of interest from my grandmother, very soon after that my parents decided to come to Canada. So my grandparents took me with my little suitcase because that's all you were allowed to leave with a communist country at that time. And they took into the border reunited, we with my parents on the other side. And we spent a year in refugee camp and near Trieste to, and my parents finally got an okay and approval to come to Canada. So we landed in Halifax and fifty eight. It was like this probably old ship that we came on and everybody was vomiting because the seas were rough and we landed in Halifax, and I think it was around the end of March and grey, and dark and cold. And we had just come from the sunny bright beautiful place in northern Italy. And it was kind of depressing. And we were put on train shipped out west to Calgary, my parents, put to work on sugar beets farm, and they're they're bubble with kind of bursts, at that time, because they came here for the better life. Life. So here they found themselves farming from morning to sunset and it wasn't what they expected. It was a hard hardship for them at that time, they had to pay for their way over. So they had to work, it off their their, their fair over here. And luckily we came to bay decided to come to Toronto and it's decided to go back to Italy. But we pass through Toronto and they met some friends here and we ended up staying here. So that's kind of like how we got here. What is the five year old pack on a journey to a whole new world? Well, I took a little toy that I still have, and it was a little push toy that you push with your finger from the bottom, it was two people dancing around and it was little wooden toy. And I still have that a little suit that was made by my grandmother. I didn't keep that unfortunately, I didn't keep it suitcase. I think the only thing I kept with little toy. I'm glad that my parents did come here. I do feel displaced sometimes though, because, you know, I still have my first language. Was first of all, it was a Slovenian and then it was challenging. And that's where I went to school for the first year of my life, it was a little a little odd for a young child to be thrown in integrate one and try and understand how this system works. I remember particular incident where the teacher was calling me by my name, and it was she was calling me Franko, and I would say, no, no, no me camel, Franco, not Franco. So I stopped responding to her. And I'm sure she hated is. I would not answer to, to Frankel it taught my parents and myself if it in and how to adopt and taught us a lot about hard work, and the struggles that people have to go through, you know, we weren't privileged, my parents, privileged. They were they were also displaced. And, you know, we bonded together as a family unit, and that was invaluable. For for, for us to support that, that I later counted on my parents for, because they were there for me, and I was there for them. A person's first job is often, seemingly random. But sometimes when you look back, you realize it was those small invaluable lessons that can last a lifetime as was the case with Frank. My first job was making Christmas truce. I worked for normal manufacturing Christmas trees and Christmas lights. And that was my first job I had to lie about my age. Hit to be sixteen to work in the factory, I was fourteen and, but those days nobody really questions you ask for your passport, or any kind of, you know, certificate to, to prove that you were sixteen. So I ended up getting that job. And I loved it if for the time it gave me the money that I needed and gave me the opportunity to buy my first car was like turned sixteen. So it was freedom and working my car was a core bear Monza. I know. What is that it was just an old car a little sports car with a rusted floor with rusted floor? Remember, I could see the street as I was driving. But I think it was probably about two hundred and fifty dollars. Anyway, did the trick. It got me from the suburbs to downtown Toronto. So that, that's all I needed and nothing ever meant as much to me in my life. Again, I was able to get him are Sadi's. And I was able to get, you know. Matter cars, but nothing gave me the excitement and the pleasure, that, that cheap little rusted out. Corvair monza. Now we come to the next chapter how the co founders of MAC Frank toss skin and the late Frank. Angelo, also known as the two francs met, I met Frank when I was around twenty one at a dance club called the manatee here, and I remember that we only had a couple of dance clubs as gay geic youth at that time in Toronto. And so we'd all hang out as a community in these two or three clubs that we had. And I remember, I'd always catch a glimpse of Frank staring at me from far away the other side of the room and one day, I managed to get the nerve to go up to him and say, you know what the hell are you looking at? You're, you're starting to drive me, crazy and bug me. And he said, I'm looking at you because I like you. And I said, okay. And that was, it was that was the start of our relationship, you know, got to know each other and, and we really liked each other, and that was kind of like. The world is a better place for having had someone like Frank Angelo here he was. Back as a child. I know that he was a very precocious child. He, he started carving out his own career, I think by the age of nine or ten put a band together at the age of twelve and by the age of fourteen he was recording. And by the age of fifteen. He was already travelling North America and performing. So he came to Toronto back in the sixties and met. Blair James was a talented hairdresser at that time, and they started a place called the haircut in place. And it was the first ever of its kind into unisex haircut, just at the time when two hippies with long hair were were cutting their hair, and they didn't want to go to formal Salins guy, he kind of, like, you know, hung around and watched what everybody was doing. And I realized there was a an opportunity there to step in and create a job in a role for myself, and I started doing photography, I knew he was buying all these posters of haircuts because. What the couldn't place was known for, for all of these haircuts they developed in every month they'd come up with new haircuts. I looked at these posters, and I, I think I can do better than that. I went to hair school, and I started learning how to cut hair and I started learning how to take photographs. And so, I started producing some of these posters, which I started selling and other hair salons as well. Tacky posters of the time. But still interesting gave me a starting to give me an insight into makeup and how light works with film. And so I learned a lot out of that, that from that time. School. Dr. Mighty stint at school was very short, because I went to Bruno's on one day, we would bring in people came in off the street, and we did their hair for free. So one day this very this lady came in and she, she wasn't a really a nice person anyway, I, I was giving her as, as a client, and this is how we practice and I put her into shampoo chair, and I forgot to put the, the Cape behind the chair. So I shampoo, their hair and without the KP in behind that. You're so all the water ran down onto the seat, and she was soaking wet when she got up, and she screamed at me and should lost it in the store, and I, I kind of and, and the teacher started, you know, siding with her, and I it was an honest mistake, that didn't go well, and I walked out, so I never really got to finish hair school. But I got to know enough about it. So I, I didn't get to create great hairstyles. I was more an up to guy. I used to love doing up do's and roller sets and pin curls nine o'clock pin, curls three o'clock pin curls up dues. That's what it was. All about at the time if you walk by Matt counter today, you'd never imagine that those bright, and bold pots of shadows, fluorescent lipsticks and glittery glitters were born in Frank Toscan kitchen. But that's exactly how the story goes started doing makeup. There wasn't really a lot on the market. There was very limited product. I mean, most things were sold. I shout were sold in little pallet Compaq's three colors, light medium, and dark, and it was like a paint by numbers of approach, most cosmetic companies took if you were, if you had read, Harry, and where green eye shadow with yellow tones. And if you had blond hair, you could wear, blues, and anyway, I found it very restricting and I started going to Curry's I started going to stores and starting to mix my own blend of colors, and I started to take brushes because there weren't brushes on the market at that time, most people use sponged it applicators or they use their fingers. That's the way. Makeup was typically applied back then and I couldn't find brushes, so I would go to the art stores and find brushes at worked for me every type of product were better with a different type of specific brush, whether it's a wet product. It'll work better with us than thank if it's a dry product, it'll work better with natural hairbrush. So I developed my own brushes and then sent them off and had them duplicated. And they were hit. Nobody was doing it at the time. Really, it was like I mean, I don't know you're younger than me, but I know my mother only used her fingers or little, little sponge to applicator came into compacts at the time. I think they've done away with most of those things now because people have the industry has realized there's money to be made him brushes, and I think we also changed the face of makeup in, in terms of education when MAC when, when we launched Mak, we was about teaching people, how to use products, correctly and with the right tools, and that had never been done before. It was more cosmetic companies tend to sell product and that was the. End of it. We brought people in taught people how to use makeup and the tools that we were right for what they wanted to achieve. And then they were your customers for life because you're just you're just help them. Learn and be discriminating about the products that they bought MAC, one point L quickly outgrew the kitchen sink. And as the word was getting out in the makeup, artists community. The demand started to grow to the point where they opened their very first standalone pro store, I Prosser was on parliament and Carlton, not a great area and people wonder why we opened there. But the building was cheap and Franken, I lived on the top floor. We had our office on the second floor. We had a beauty salon called Mack here on the main floor and downstairs. I did my makeup and kind of private. And at that time, it was just really made into Vella products for professionals very raw products like things like pigments and things that make up artist could use themselves mixed with mediums that they. They wanted to and that just grew. I mean, the demand just just grew it was by -pointment, only when I when I was on my own there. And then all of a sudden, we started packaging the products and it just it just evolved. How to homemade cosmetics go to the next level, we've said it before, on breaking Beatty podcast, and we'll say it again. It's always good to know a chemist. My sister was dating a chemist at the time. And I thought you know. Brought him in and said Vic, I've got a challenge here for you. Can we can we do you think we can work on some products together Vic never made make up before? So, you know, we went to the library got some books, and we learned how to make some products. I knew what I wanted, and he gave me the opportunity to actually see it to fruition. So then all of a sudden, I was able to carry products that are never been made before. And you know, people really embraced all this new creative opportunity that they had with makeup. I always love make up for the fact that it was a playful. And I always felt it wasn't necessary to wear makeup. It was something that people did and used inside the Nick cesary to have fun with. But never did I sell products because I, I ever told anyone that they needed a product to make them look better. So we always took a very different approach of in the way we sold our products. There was Frank and then there was Vic, and then there was, you know, my sister, and there was. Rod Olmer at the bay who embraced who we were in allowed us to come into the department store, and we didn't fit into to the cosmetic department so but he wanted to give us a chance we were young and hungry and eager and he thought we had something to offer, and he recognized that and so he said, you know what I'll give you space on the second floor back in the corner. And we'll see how how you do there. And I worked there we had another two males working, and they're in that was unheard of, in those days to have guys working at the makeup, department, we we'd get are curious clients in we'd do their makeup. It go back to the office, and all of a sudden the next day like there were of the women that came in, and saying, wow. You know you did this for my friend yesterday. Can you do this for me, and that just grew it just it just grew and grew from that word of mouth? There's a lot of pressure in the cosmetic department to perform like everyone else and it's very competitive and you sell genera-. Because of commission and pressure from causes from from the different brands to, to compete so we didn't have that to worry about. We just worried about how to do what we did. Well, it's nineteen eighty-five and MAC decides it needs to go to the heart of the action. So it opens its first standalone store for consumers in New York City. Christopher engaged rate was the corner. We opened on most people thought we were crazy for going down in Greenwich Village. They said this is not where you start. Right. But we knew that there was a vibe there, and there was a there was a creative energy in that area. It's world dry queen's lived. It's kind of like the underground scene was percolating at the time, and there was so much change and excitement in that area. You know, the other areas of New York, we're really established. So that's, that's kind of what fit our personality at the time. And you know it was very exciting time, we had, you don't celebrity started coming in. We had, we hired dry queens, like lady bunny, and lady misguide Paul was in the store lady mosquito would come in. I think even lady Gaga would be at the window peaking in because she was too young at the time. I heard a story of that she would come down to the store and just look at all the dry queens and wish she was old enough to come in, and where we're the. Makeup and just participate. So we had a real energy, and of lied within a year. We had busloads of people coming down from from uptown. And because we became kind of like the show on Saturdays and Sundays, and it was an exciting time. None of what we did was really calculated all just evolved and developed from who we were as people and all thoughts and all the ideas came from all different aspects of life, and for all races all sexes. First of all, I couldn't understand why. There wasn't a lot of makeup for women of color. I never understood that because I had lots of friends of color. So and, and the there was so much diversity, especially in New York. And so we developed colors and that was part of our success as well. We developed colors that really worked on all people. We had, like thirty five pound Asian colors from blue black skins to very the palest of porcelain, skins and all game. That's from cools green undertones yellow undertones, red undertones, and we sort of covered every. Buddies skin tone, in, in our range of pounds Asians. We've talked a lot about the trend toward forty foundation shades on the podcast recently. Of course when we say, trend we don't mean trendy we just mean what's happening in the industry right now. But Mack was really leading in this category, toward inclusive, skin tone, shades, from the very beginning curiously, though, max strategy wasn't as much about the quantity of shades available. It was more about giving people the tools to make their own match. We were early on and we were doing it by by. We didn't have the ability to package that many skin tone. So we were doing it by selling pigment. And people were able to mix their own pigments which really allow them to participate in making their own products as well to some degree. And that was kind of interesting. We would sell like yellow pigment or blue pigment or right pigments that you could mix it into your foundation and alter it because you don't need that. Many different products. I mean you could take a skin cream and mix in jer- foundation. You could stretch your foundation by mixing it into, you know, like a different medium. So we always tried to limit the number of products. We had by utilizing into different mediums cover faxes, the line that I started with my brother-in-law after we sold MAC, and it's in the market today, and it has an incredible foundation shades. And also offers the same type of philosophy like you can buy a shiny pigment and use it in your foundation. You can use it in your skin cream, you can use a dry. You can use it wet, you can use it. You know in so many, many ways. They're hiring practices were certainly unconventional at the time. And that was all part of the magic. Well, I hired like people and. We never discriminated because artists are generally creative, and you can't put them in a white lab coat and tell them what to say what to wear, and we gave them an incredible amount of freedom to be who they were and that, you know, empowered us because they became very loyal people who loved what they did because they were allowed to do what they love and that create an electricity and energy at the counter, and, you know, our staff was never boring. They were allowed to have piercings, and they were allowed to cross dress. There was freedom there, and that freedom just created this electricity at the counter and this show that just went on and on. And that always attracted a lot of attention from all kinds of people, but controversy struck when max started handing out free condoms at counters at the height of the aids epidemic. That was that was the conflict, you know, like we were we were growing, and we need it to grow because. Our product was into demand. But yet we were growing sometimes with people that didn't necessarily believe in everything that we stood for. Luckily, we had developed strength and money and money talk, sometimes to retailers. We use that platform to say, hey, we're here. You don't like us we're out and it didn't always go over, well, handing out condoms, particularly in the eighties. But hey that's what was needed. And that's what we did. And that's what I think, set us apart from everyone else. And that was an incredible opportunity to use what we had created to do. Good people still face discrimination today. Let's be real. But I think we can agree that we are in a better place today that we were twenty odd years ago. And a big part of that is thanks to people and brands, who took a Stanford quality in the workplace, we actually really got off on doing that kind of stuff, because we were always the underdog and the opportunity. To stand up. We celebrated there was an incident in one of the department stores in San Francisco. And one of our employees was let go because he was across dresser, and beautiful cross-dresser. I mean, very few people actually knew, and he was a great salesperson a great artist. And he was a real asset to our company and he was let go because he some customers found him offensive. I guess and I luckily he was the friend of Linda Ronstadt at that time who was a singer. I don't know if your member but she, she, she took great offence to it and good for her. They picketed the store the next day and they were forced to hire back that employees, and they rewrote their policy on what was acceptable and not acceptable in their store. So that was a that was a situation that really changed attitudes in the department store. Remember earlier, when Frank mentioned that unbreakable bond, that is your family. Here's an example of the lengths that is loved ones. Would go to to support his dream. I had the fortune to, to have people in my life who cared for me, and who wanted to see me, succeed, and people like Frank Angelo people like my parents mortgage, their host for me to, you know move on with my business at times where it was sometimes uncertain. And but again, you know, we, we were team and we were there for each other. And that became our strength and tell you, having families amazing because at the end of the day, if it's payday, and you don't have the money, they'll still be there on Monday and Saturday and Sunday. So having that kind of support was very important for, for the for the success of that brand every successful beauty brand can be traced back to a defining moment. We've covered many of them right here. I'm breaking beady podcast when the best. Keller became a bestseller for MAC like many others. It was a combination of star power meeting print power magazines. Remember those none of this was paid for by the way, I didn't believe in advertising. And that was something that we were very strict about from the beginning. I didn't believe telling people they needed your product was the way to go. I believed in creating a need for the product was a pivotal moment. And that was probably the time that I opened a magazine and there we were with think it was a four page spread and people magazine which was a big big magazine time. It was probably one of the largest regulations, and there was Madonna and lady Di and I only Campbell and Linda Evangelista all talking about MAC the next day, I guess, after reading that article, we had calls from every major department store retailer in North America and Europe wanting to carry our product, they were all talking about MAC and one. Awful. You know, it was discovered this product that worked for them. And to discover this company that stood for so much more than just make up. We had many initiatives at that time, we had back to MAC, we had cruelty for your beauty, and we had glam, we had many initiatives that people embraced. So people didn't come to us just to buy lipstick they came to us, even if they wouldn't weren't wearing lipstick they'd come to support the vivo blind program. Many women would come in just to buy it for their friends, even if they weren't wearing makeup. So there were so many reasons people liked associating themselves with us because they felt that they were helping. Others as well. Let's talk about one of the most iconic MAC lipsticks of all time Russian read the first shaded I ever created was called one hundred percent red. And then one day I got a call from Madonna's make apart is Debbie meser. And she said, I'm working on Madonna's tour, and she said, we need to create some products. And she said, I'd like have really strong lipstick like this lipstick that was one hundred percent read, but I wanted to be really, really mad, so I created flips of call Russian Red, and I think she wore it on her album cover, and it became sort of like the signature color on her blond ambition tour, and it was really if you remember Madonna back in the eighties, it was all about her red lips. And she certainly put us on the map with that color. So many trends, come from marketing teams these days, it's almost hard to remember the days when trends and color inspiration actually came from the creativity and energy of an artist might inspiration was runway. My friends. I had friends that were in the industry at the we're models. I had friends who were designers. I had friends that were artists and I was fortunate enough that I had an insight kind of look at, to what was going on and, and fashion, you know what we were on our bodies kind of dictates what will what make trends will kind of be a compliment that. And so I knew beforehand what was going to be coming out the year after? And so I had kind of a head start I wasn't in a board room deciding what are we? What campaign are we gonna put out there to, to sell this product that we've just created? We don't know if it's going to sell, we don't know if it's even going to take off. I knew that we were creating our own demand. So I was very fortunate that I had that, that I was at the bottom up next the incredible inspiration behind max legendary Viva glam lipstick proudest, accomplishments. I think and I'm proud for the company to have continued that initiative. Back in the eighties. It was very sad and dark time, and my, very close friend was dying obeys. I was called into the hospital. They told me to put on a robe and a mask and gloves. And I went in and I was told to keep my distance and I realized how horrible that must have been for him to be looking at these people looking at him, like a leper, and that ignited something in me an anger that I took with me, and I it came to visit me later on. But I knew that someday that, that moment would would inspire me to, to do something with that because it was a very sad time. It was a very dark time for community here in all over the world it was a very dark time. And so. His his passing didn't go in vain. So I kind of tribute to success to, to John Lewis Lazarica and very grateful that I had that, that I did something with that opportunity that I was offered, it was like a gift from John to say you know what I may not have the ability to do anything now. But Frank take it forward. And do something with that was such a horrible time in our lives because we were all as a community relief saddened by where we were put we were being put away, and we lost a lot of people I never wanted this to look like a marketing scheme. So we made sure that every penny went back to what it was raised intended for we demanded that our retail partners didn't take a makeup. Our sales stuff. Never took any commissions on this product. And so we sold it right. Through one hundred percent every MAC Viva. Glam lipstick that sold goes directly to the MAC aids fund, and I'm very proud of that. Hello. Hi, it's Jill. Good. How are you? Good. Thank you. Maybe we can just start with your name, and your profession. Sure. So my name is Andrea been one. And I am an academic, I have worked for the last few years of agenda system. Professor in the faculty of information in media studies at western university, and right now, I work at the university of Toronto in an academic administrative role. Revoke is coming out, hopefully next spring, but it will be playing nineteen and it's called Viva back aids Toronto, fashion and the philanthropic practices of MAC cosmetics. And so with these is, you know, typically, you have an idea and you prove it, and then you come to conclusion, what conclusion did you come to in terms of the significance of MAC? Viva glam and the whole campaign, it some kind of I don't wanna say combo, but it sounds it sounds like to me. It was something that could not be reproduced. It was a particular set of people and particular convergence of vents, you had the vitalize ation of the Toronto fashion industry and cultural industries in general in the eighties. You had that happening you had the aids epidemic happening and the particular ways. Activists networks. We're responding to aids in Toronto in the nineteen eighties. And then you had the emerging hotter n- of the commodification of social causes starting in the late eighties and working into the nineties that everything kind of converged, and it was the right people in the right place at the right time with the right energy, and I determined that. You know, perhaps one of the reasons, nobody has written much about this, that it can't be used as a as a model for how to do good, branding, or how to make a really great at, you know, it was something that Iro's, so organically, and offensively with the right set of set of circumstances at that moment that it stands alone is really nothing else that could compare to the way that the Franks develop their business and made their contribution to eight. And it's fun raising aids advocacy at the particular moment in time who could possibly embody such an important initiative and keep that playful positive MAC spirit alive session. I should turn to them. Now, turn to the right you see these they'll pay you ready for this Sasho show. I thought so. I have one thing to say you bet. Overwork be hit. Right. Would it be Elizabeth Taylor? Would it be who would it be what it should be young, which should be black? And I could never like put my finger on. I never I never was so abstract to me, because I don't I never thought one person could could represent all of what Mack was and one year I was in wigs stock in New York, and my friend, Donald Robertson, who had moved to New York. I Don a very successful artists. His wife Kim worked for us. And so he took me to Woodstock and rupaul was performing. And we think we both looked at each other and thought, wow. This is it because we had talked about a face. And this is this is it he'd lived the community. He he was touched by all of the same things that we were touched by he fought for the same things that we were fighting for, and he was all about makeup. I mean God, he wore more makeup than anybody else that I had seen he kind of had fun with that. It wasn't so serious. You know what about makeup can do not, not that it was corrective? It was it was also like here, it is. Here's your paint paint up your face to which however you wanted to weigh pleases, you and have fun with that of love to have gotten a vogue, cover with them. We tried to pitch for that, but I think it was too early on. Maybe today wasn't about money. It was about him jumping on this. Bandwagon that we were on and making a difference and becoming part of this, this, this team of Mavericks, that was going to change not only the cause medic industry, but change, how people saw the community you know what aides was doing to us and we were all we were on the same page. Mac wasn't just breaking down barriers when it came to race and gender. They were also leading the charge when it came to mindful consumption, one of the things that I've resented was over packaging and the cosmetic industry was very guilty of over packaging, especially in the eighties. And it's something I always like was very offended by. So we stripped down to bare minimum we created the single plots, which till then we're rarely seen people bought them in trios recycling was very important. So we took back every for every five containers with that initiative. We gave people a free lipstick. So they, you know, they didn't change the garbage of the world, but they certainly got to thinking about it. And I think that's what it was all about. Getting people thinking getting them involved getting them. Going igniting some, some thought around the crisis that are about to take over this world in nineteen Ninety-four four the two francs sold a fifty. One percent stake in MAC to Estee Lauder in nineteen Ninety-seven, Frank Angelo passed away of cardiac arrest following a surgery, one year after that Frank Toscan sold the remainder of the company to Estee Lauder. We were adamant about keeping creative control. Estee Lauder was a great company. We ran into a situation where we could not keep up with our demand. And we had a very large black market situation in Asia. I was sent over there to look at a max door. And I went there, and there was a max door with MAC employee's and MAC product, but it was not MAC at all. And we went to we went to the government there. And we went through some conflict, and we asked that we were told that if we didn't use start using our brand within a year in that country. And we didn't start trading that we would lose it. So we had to respond to that. We had a very short time and we couldn't do it on our own. And we had to align our. With somebody that had distribution all of those countries already. And Estee Lauder was at the top, and they were credible company who were doing many great things, and we tapped into their distribution and within a few months, we were all over the world. And that was part of the reason we, we needed that, that relationship and we needed that partnership that company had grown up it had taken on a life of its own, and it was ready to walk on. It's on. And I felt that, you know, I had given it as much as I could up until that point. And I felt there was a great cost to me, personally, I had lost Frank at that time, and I felt that I needed to look, inward and find out who I was and what things I had given up in that time that I had dedicated everything that I had to this brand on family was very important to me. I dotted for children and to, to get that sense of family again and a couple that was very controversial back then but we managed to, to fight through it, and we got four beautiful children. And so I, I had to I had to do that. So I think. Looking inward and re re-energizing myself and powering myself again to take another step in a different direction. I needed that time off, it was bittersweet. There was a great feeling of loss, because I had because of how entrenched I was and that brand and how much the brand was about me and how. I had given to it. You know, there was there was a feeling of, of loss, and I had people were defining me by the brand. So to have that ripped away from you all of a sudden it was a it was a big. It was a big loss. And there was a moment where I felt very much like I had nothing underneath my feet. But, you know, I try try to stay focused on, on the beautiful children that I now had and the opportunities that they offered me entrepreneurship is notoriously addictive and Frank Toscan is no less passionate today than he was in nineteen Eighty-four. Perhaps not coincidentally, like lev Glasmann of fresh, and Bobby Brown of Bobbi Brown cosmetics his new endeavor focuses on beauty from the inside out. It's called impact kitchen and it's fine. Fresh fast food that follows a paleo diet, so no gluten minimal processing, I happen to go to the location in Toronto's east end. End near my work share space, and I can attest to how delicious the salads and baked goods are there are two other locations in Toronto. And a new location is opening in south beach next year. Also start at a new business, which is a totally unrelated but related in some way, because as I grew older, I realized how important health was and, and most of who we are is obviously, who is about what we eat. So that's always been food has always been a passion of mine. And I thought I would take a stab at creating this brand impact, my Mets someone who became my train her years ago, and we kind of collaborated on, on some ideas, and we developed an incredible menu, so we started restaurant, that's basically sort of follows, a paleo diet were gluten free sugar free all of the things that tend to create havoc with our bodies, and I found that, you know, eating well, made me feel better. It gave me much more clarity and beauty did beauty from the outside. Now I kind of doing doing trying to do it. From the inside. I love everything the harvest bowl is great. And it's we're Ganic and it's clean while we've only started Revoli started. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a whole new life. Hey, I've got some, some time left. I bet make good use of it. I'd love to do more education around healthy eating, because, you know, be city has like the next crisis and teaching young children, how to eat properly going into schools, and delivering great lunches would be something is something that I want to work towards Frank in his current partner have four adopted children. Twin boys aged twenty one a daughter of the same age and a younger son, who's twenty we asked Frank if any of his children, aspire to the business of beauty themselves, my voice or have no interest in the beauty industry at all. They're they're not interested at all my daughter started with. She took a great interest should loves makeup. She worked for MAC for for short time. She worked in the store and she worked in the office, she wears her makeup beautifully, but she's taking a little bit of a turn, and I think having gotten into this other business impact and eating well, she's looking at more, how she can look after herself from from wellness point of view icon. 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Do You Want To Know A Secret

Fame is a Bitch

29:00 min | 2 years ago

Do You Want To Know A Secret

"From workhouse connect in a._j. Benza vein <hes> he likes to be walked on a leash and play really dirty kinky sex keeps james is the guy put the cock and the peacock network okay bitch. Hey everybody j benza here for fame bitch. This is your podcast chance for august ninth. 2019 lot of people were angry last couple of days and it continues onto today. You know what i before. I go forward. Let me tell you that anybody who's having any kind of issues with the new f a nation dot com black form go to my facebook podcast obsessed page where michael there'd be no has written a post. That thoroughly explains everything. That's what's going on. Obviously there are a little bit of growing pains here and there. There's much more great news about this. But of course there's a few things here and they ended up being aren gene data's we speak because podcast one and us <hes> kind of split up so suddenly. Mike's site was under construction so we're on it but there's still things to just hang out with little nails and tiny hammers. It's all being taken care. I appreciate all your questions and everybody's encouragement and desire desire to have the the the platform working mealy correct. It's going to be don't worry. I will tell you several hundred year rhody come on which is great and and some of you even left the tip the tip jar which i really give you a big sums up for that. That's really cool view but there are what twenty five thirty thousand of you left who haven't so get on on it. It's real easy go to f a._b. Nation dot com. That's where it's all gonna be from now on. You're not gonna regret it. I know change is hard but what i'm doing and what we're doing is much better than anything else. You're doing having said that. Boy people got pissed off the other day. Did you see chrissy. Teague and chrissy teagan egan and other celebrities are encouraging people to cancel their eat went oxen soul cycle memberships after they found out the <music> owner supports donald trump yep the other day liberals everywhere were celebrating the fact that the washington post unsurprisingly did their evil part and let people know that stephen ross the head of the company that owns soul cycle. Any ox is holding a big ticket hamptons. It's fun raiser for president trump this weekend president trump in the hamptons boy. Do i have memories of that which i'll get to in a second but let me tell you people right off the bat. That stephen is a lot more liberal than conservative so careful what you quitting. I don't know people fucking realized that but i i told you guys tickets. Go for as high as a quarter million bucks and donations will go toward the campaign to re elect the donald obviously now for a hundred grand you you got a photo and a lunch with the president bill <unk> great photos and for absolutely no money. I get to eat my own launch and remember when in hebrews relentless after my girlfriend. That's what i get this weekend. It's funny that he's here this weekend in the hamptons and saw him i because boy did we have good times uh-huh him and i and my ex-girlfriend car young twenty years ago. Let me explain to you what my son was like. In nineteen ninety-seven i'm in rowsley backyard right where i am now. I'd already moved to l._a. But i always came back for several weeks in the summer and even though it already moved and car and i had theoretically broke up it's joey you know we we we knew we had to see the people who three thousand miles apart but every time i came home she and i would inevitably evidently have dinner. Hang out god go to her home in the in east hampton. I'd sleep over the whole bit. It was like we were together again. You know that happens it. It didn't matter that i was seeing other girls out there in l._a. And i heard she was having dinner with other guys here in new york city. I get it or it gets round didn't getting out of because whenever we were in the same city we had this poll that we just had to be together so while we weren't quote unquote dating or together we were but i know on paper. Were that's the big confusion with this whole. Took your girlfriend yes but doll car and i were familiar. We were family. We loved each other's families. We had fun forever and that's why we always went back together before i go on hold that thought today show is brought to you by the twenty 2019 fab fit fun full box. It's on sale now. It's a great box. I'm telling you the items you got here are incredible. I use them all. The time argued that fad fund is a woman's lifestyle subscription box filled with full-size premium beauty lifestyle fitness home and wellness products and they send restraint it to your doorstep. Every season takes the hassle out of shopping. They do it for you. Each boxes customized to your specific interest and they deliver the seasonal must haves cabs. You need let me tell them. Every every time it comes to my house we argue. I have not seen this box yet but my wife told me some things that are in it and let me tell you something <hes> there's going to be problems. There's gonna be problems. Go says well look. There's some things that only she and my daughter we're gonna have but you get close to that box and there's gonna be some <hes> going to be some problems okay because the thing about this thing about fad fund is that i know when it comes to people's houses the husband's trying to walk away thinking. It's all feminine shit. 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Fat fit fun dot com anyhow so i would say a car is house in the hamptons for a couple of nights in a row after all the assholes left for the weekend. I'd get during a sunday night. I'd stay till tuesday wednesday. It was great because that's when all the natives stay in the hamptons and the riffraff or back in the city the rich riffraff or back in the the city and when you got the hands to yourself. It's amazing. I know gets a bad rap but when the beach is required and you can walk in a restaurant on a tuesday without stress when the same restaurant three nights earlier was eighty the bar and you have to make a reservation in fucking april. It's much better you walk into. You know one of the few a grocery stores and you could stock up without a line. You don't have to over here to do sh- bags you know talking about hedge funds or the instagram model. It's waiting for the lap. I pull it's much better and believe about the happens. You know it's it's very quaint quiet part of long island you would know it but the beach-front mansions that changed hands this one hundred million bucks or the streets aligned with designer boutiques and you see ferraris range rovers a master rods bumper to bumper on on montauk highway but i'm telling you it's basically park. Avenue was converse coppertone. That's what i'm going off. Gone off point here with the story but look i remember being there and being a car is house and seeing newspaper cutouts of article where donald trump's name was in and he would send them to her. He would underline his name. He would circle the word billionaire because you always run an article in the gossip pounds and destroyed billionaire donald trump always billionaire real estate developer all billionaire playboy all the time he would circle award billionaire underline his name and send it to her in the mail. This is back when people use mail letters actual handwritten ship and i would see them cam and kitchen here or there or maybe on the night table. I'd say what the fuck is this guy do and she roller is sombat rose how summer ninety seven and like i said we're broken up. Even though i saw the night before i'll never forget i opened new york post. The gossip pages page six and i see a picture of her and trump at the u._s. Open championships. That's at the the end of august every year. That's where you want. The best tennis players compete while drinking a fifteen dollar bottled water and a thirty-three dollar hamburg and my heart sank to my balls. I keep looking at her posture. Is she sitting a certain way that suggests he's with them but whereas her hand maybe took her as a friend that happens a lot of people do that ride edge yes sure france and then after that the onslaught began i'd see them everywhere every magazine every movie opening and i told you the story sorry of me sitting down in l._a. Michael minnie's house to watch the n._b._a. All star game in february and i see the camera go to trump and kara sitting courtside and the announcer got on with all my friends and they know the whole deal and the donald trump's here enjoying the action looks like he's got another beauty with them fucking. Not i want to kill myself so back then i would have paid one hundred thousand dollars to have lunch with him because i would have brought along a baseball bat but look we've all matured and moved on and grown you see that if i can change you can too so thanks for the trip down memory lane but back to the whole equinoxes and soul cycle protests. My least favorite model in the world chrissy teagan publicly sounded off on twitter else's knew she was thrilled to protest the equinox insults cycle ban. You know i'm not sure she's upset that she doesn't have long as a judge on bring the funny. I told you that was a horrible casting choice and now i understand from sources that produces no oh that they mistake the ratings are awful. She is a speed bump in that show keenan thompson and jeff foxworthy are just fine. Thank you because their career rear comics. She's not she should be home with her. Children and whatever the fuck else she does not judging comedy show so but you know maybe she's pissed it that i don't know but she brought out on twitter 'cause she tweeted the gym my personal hell but if you're a member of equinoxes perhaps absence time to say peace out still sick yes but thuc equinoxes and actress amber tamblyn another one likes likes to sound off on shit. She responded to soul cycle statement. She said she disavowed the fundraising event and then she affirmed her beliefs in diversity inclusion uson inequality that has nothing to do with the fucking fundraiser. What the fuck why are they throwing those three words into a fundraiser i robot oh but solar cycle for more than five years to think the money is spent on your classes went into the pockets of stephen ross and therefore fundraisers for the lights except donald trump or unacceptable as long as he owns you. I will not be writing. Thanks because your sweats things like crap anyhow and then another person wrote goodbye seoul cycle goodbye equinoxes if you haven't said farewell as well know that your dollar going to support the white supremacist and chief of the u._s._a. Day said the screenwriter and suspected gay pedophile dustin lance black who was once in the news for having a nineteen year old olympic diver boyfriend when when he was forty himself dustin lance black de l._b. This guy is the guy who wants looked up to the pedophile bryan singer as a mentor in fact. He's still close to bryan singer. There palce even attended to sick pedophile pool parties bryan singer used to throw the ones read have other boys get naked die the pool read the there was also word that this olympic diver boyfriend who's now his his fiancee one of the young twix pleased to serve alcohol and the drug of your choice to other powerful pedophile who were always at singers sicko parties is any guide as anybody gonna miss working out next to this fucking idiot can't wait to work out next year. Hey dusty pin. You wipe right down the bicycle seat after you use it. I don't want to get your dick sweat on me really there so fucking elite. There's so much better than us. Point is always seriously gonna start boycotting businesses that have a different political view than we do. Does anybody know what with the heads of <hes> your local cable provider think. Do you care. What are we gonna do. What if the guy who sold you your ford is not aligned with your political beliefs. He's not gonna drive that car. It's getting ridiculous guys. I gotta ask the ice cream man who wants for now before i get my kids ice cream. I'm not going to do that but i guess people do. No matter who any person or business supports it shouldn't affect our personal relationships or ruined businesses just because they don't support who you support you know. We have a thing called freedom of choice or else done only be one political party so just respect people's choice and move on. I'll tell you i've become a social media friends with the producer of the ellen show and elasto good guy. I've always known his name. God knows knows who seen him on t._v. I was happy that he was a fan of the podcast he he said. My show reminds him of the old days in new york. A lot of people say that who ran around new york and the nineties. I i love that once. He said it. I knew nothing about it but i knew that he was a liberal. I knew it is in l._a. He's got a great job as ellen producer of course he's eating element higher conservative live anyhow i knew shit. He's going to hear my show and he's going to be so turned off and as he caught missed the show he likes the show him and i disagree on almost everything politically we write to each other during the day on twitter. If i make steak with <hes> with tucker carlson he tells me you know if if i think he's off base i tell him but we're still friendly. I don't not watched the ellen show because he's the producer. It's just ridiculous by the way i wish these fucking fancy people. Would you know look around equinoxes. Take a good look. I used to work out there for year not because i could spend that money by one wanted membership there when i did <hes> celebrity fit club what should recall fat club. I lost twelve pounds. I want some kind of contest on the show and i wanna year's year's membership to eat when ochs on sunset boulevard great fucking jim the most beautiful jim everywhere. You look a model or movie star. I wish i could afford equinoxes. Let alone a boycott of christ's sake but <hes> chrissy teigen especially you know. She gets things things wrong so many times. Why wasn't chrissy teigen this angry or even this dismayed one of her good old powell's. A guy named charles ward was was picked up for sexual trafficking a couple years back. What happened in her twitter was pretty silent back then wasn't it. Oh yeah good old charlie. He was a a big shot in the black lives matter movement which you know every black person the doors. He's allowed the quietly but yeah. He was arrested outside a howard johnson. Is it in college park maryland last couple aprils ago not too many good things happen outside howard johnson. I'm sorry but the story goes. He was staying in a motel room where he was pimping out allegedly a seventeen year old girl christie. That's called human trafficking being in prostitution. He got busted in a sting. A sting operation undercover cop responded to an ad that charlie allegedly place for a twenty three year old woman on a place called backstage dot com which everybody knows is strictly for sex and drugs. It's a website. That's really here's a lot by sex traffickers in prostitutes especially it was so the woman turns out to be a seventeen year old girl and she called. Mr weighed her manager. She said that he knew she was a minor but it wasn't worried because of her upcoming birthday. What's a matter a few months. She also told investigators get is the g. provided. All the money she earned to charlie should get back to that sounds. An awful lot like a pimp doesn't he. She said he signed four four and he provided that inefficacious for and paid for the room but she said she did act alone. When it came to blowing is okay fine honey. That's your talent but all trolley was one of the most influential black activists in america chris. John teagan pretty silent on that story. I saw i saw john legend. You can have a lot to say about trump the other day calm the racist and chief. He went off on t._m._z. Really bad shit didn't say nothing about charlie wade so so kristie of course glommed onto charles because he was a big shot and that was a good buddy never heard what she has to say about him. Prostituting a young girl that never comes comes up on twitter funny but she sure does have a lot to say about the boycott of trump's campaign fundraiser or how to make fucking chicken teriyaki in her kitchen. Jim of two kids running around you see the fucking policy guys and this is what i really want to get to today. Chrissy teigen's model friends who we're now talking shit about victoria's secrets a place that gave them a lot of money for a long time jump started their careers made them stars and now it's a terrible company and they want it burned to the ground because how the owner les wexner. His friendship with jeffrey epstein was a terrible thing for for a few models. Now i understand. They can't feel good about that but the victoria's secrets brand getting shot down. I don't like that you want to piss on less wexler absolutely remote memo models didn't talk at all. Wasn't that a glorious time now now. They just yep yep yep yep about shit. I don't like seeing what's happened to pretoria secrets. Call me shallow. It's just about crumbled to the ground now and part of the reason. Is that a model name. Maria farmer has said that epstein sexually assaulted her while she was while he was posing as a recruiter for victoria's secret's catalog anti she came forward a group of girls call the model alliance. They published an open letter on. I forget where they publish it but they asked toria secrets to do more to protect models from abuse. Hey more power to that's great stance and they wrote we are writing today to express concern for the safety and well being of the models in young women who aspired a model for victoria's secrets in the past few weeks we've heard numerous. There's allegations of sexual assault alleged rape and sex trafficking of models and aspiring models while these allegations may not have been aimed at victoria's secrets directly. It's clear that that your company has a crucial role to play in remedying the situation for the headlines about l. grand c._o. Leslie wrexham's close friend and associate jeffrey into to the allegations of sexual misconduct by photographers t more amick david bill mir greg cattle or cadel steeply disturbing that these men appear to have leverage. They're working relationships with various savings to lauren abuse vulnerable girls now. Listen it makes sense but you have to also stand virtually all these girls. Maybe maybe one or two percent didn't go through what i'm about to say. Virtually almost all these girls lived in models apartments when out of reunites sights on the dime of millionaires and billionaires and because they had free dinner and free champagne got free drugs in the side there was a lot of <hes> touching on a lot of sexual favors brand. Did it happens all the fucking time so you know i'm not saying it's good it's terrible but they've been through that for them to just turn the cannon on wax their and victoria's secrets right now. I think it's a little bit overkill than you know this letter they wrote as another nail in the coffin often that is going to be victoria's secrets demise but you want to know what what really kept this demise at the hyg. You don't really got this thing started and i could have predicted that the lingerie company slow end when its chief marketing officer. A guy named ed raziq was talking to vogue magazine. Why victoria's secret fashion show would not feature transgender plus is all what they call curve models and vogue asked him. Shouldn't you have transexuals in the show. He said no no. I don't think we should well why not because the fucking show is a fantasy. That's why it's a forty two minutes fantasy special. That's what it is. It's the only one of its kind in the world and any other fashion brand of the world would take it in a fucking minute including every competitor. They say they have all the competitor is bitch. Motorbike maturity seems love to be victoria's secrets and have that show put on and then they asked about plus size models and my hero said that we attempted to do show television special for plus size in in the year two thousand but nobody had any interest in it and they still don't ten months later ed raziq is resigning anybody surprised no of course not because he told the fucking truth but you had to be there back then in nineteen ninety five when the victoria's secret show dot it's start and they started putting it for the public. They had the plaza hotel obviously because donald trump owned at the time and that those invited was amazing. I was sitting front row with russell. Simmons donald trump guys like andre harrell a lot of big shock dies who ran the city and you're a few free a few feet from cindy crawford elle macphearson mcpherson linda evangelista helena christiansen naomi campbell beverly peele veronica webb bridget hall tyra stephanie seymour i could go on was mouth-watering the women the music the crowd everything but of course that type of wonderful display of beauty can no longer number be tolerated. I don't know what would it be more mass shootings if the if the fashion show kept on with the murder rate in chicago go up if we had a show organ would that be more wars but what does it matter because the gone next year show is cancelled and i'm sure it won't ever return even though the brand recently hired as i said transgender model valentina some pile who i vic actually passes and looks good but that move is gonna do little to restore the relationship with consumers you know why because it provides the scariest thing in the world victoria's secrets fashion show it provides the scariest thing in the world that is it is it caters to the sis gendered male gaze. That's what magazine said. Some bullshit magazine said victoria's. This secrets caters to the gendered male gaze g. a. z. in fact at its core. The brand is nothing having more than a fantasy for man yeah. I said that it's true that's right. That's exactly what it is and that's a problem is to take out one of the executives <music> at victoria's secrets of women name beautiful girl monica metro and she was to hook me up with tickets and seeds and you name it. She was great and then when i got older and got bigger in the game to game and had my t._v. Show i was getting these facials in beverly hills by this woman i took monaco. Dane was talking about my facial edgy. Look great and night gave her. I got her. I bought her a visit to my my <hes> aestheticians name nicoletta. She's amazing amazing. An old romanian woman and monica loved it. She raved about it and then before you can know what happened that she got all the victoria's secret models into it <hes> they all started going. Heidi klum was fucking coal me. I have the letter still begging me for the last appointment. I have with <hes> with nicoletta heidi. Beg me to have it because she had something to do. I said okay you can it added so monica i went out and she told me the whole whole concept of how victoria secret star is brilliant. The got the founder a guy named roy raymond wandering department store the late seventies looking for lingerie for his wife right. We all been there doesn't know what to buy and the selection was shit. It was underwhelming unsexy. They said he was faced with a rack of terry cloth robes and ugly floral print nylon nightgowns that was in the seventies. He's right so he had this feeling that department stores would love up brand kind of lingerie and and he would say this in some women thought he was an unwelcome intruder because the way he was talking about underwear. Now you gotta see what's written about this guy the way they talk about him. Raymond was unwelcome trudeau in the women's lingerie market inventory secrets. Many missteps are proof. What fucking missteps what the hell is he done wrong. Why is there. Hey ain't vittoria secrets. I know he's made his money and he's fine at his kids. Kids are going to be fine but isn't it sad ed how big giant companies like this can be taken down because of a couple of miss place quotes or worse a man just plainly stating fact fact as ed raziq did yeah no one. No one wanted to put the show on t._v. They weren't interested sorry. Plus size models didn't sell that was the truth. They can't produce something. People don't wanna watch t._v.'s not a charity. It's big fucking business. Nowadays you gotta make all the marginal people happy and and as a result we've got great people great companies and wonderful products that are being torn down and driven out and killed remember when your husband or boyfriend couldn't wait to see the victoria's secret catalog in the mail was that so bad a time ladies back flip through it for a couple of minutes and then your birthday he knew what braun pani set to get you because it looks so good on cindy or tyra he wanted to see it on you the fantasy and you when you open the gift you both made that beautiful faces you smile knowing smile at each other a sma- adjusted somebody's gonna get lucky later that night right and if you had a family around they made the same face they knew it. They knew the secrets. Everybody was in on it. It was more than a brand it was is a metaphor for how he felt about you and how the little pani set who's going to make things better forever and now what are we going now. We have man-hating feminist transsexual taste makers the very women you couldn't pay me to see in lingerie making all the decisions and the sad a decision was the brand should die. You wanna hear a._j. Secret. I wish it was them who were dying. I'm a._j. Benza and that was today's as fame as a bitch for august ninth twenty nine thousand nine hundred have a good weekend check out the patriot and talked his monday <music>. Thank you for listening fame as a bitch is an a._j. Benza workhouse connect production featuring the endless wisdom insightful commentary tyrians sometimes fucked up perspective a._j. Venza executive producer mike agatha no technical producer brian vasquez.

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The House of Versace | The Versace Experience | 2

Even the Rich

49:26 min | 1 year ago

The House of Versace | The Versace Experience | 2

"The. What's that? It's wedding bells because someone's getting married Ou who donatella satchy and Paul back okay. Am I invited? Of course everyone is because it's our podcast and we can invite anyone we want fair point but you'll have to travel back in time about twenty five years or just use your imagination. It's March nineteen eighty-three and the for Saatchi family is crowded into a teeny tiny stone church in the port village of Mantra. The church is on the western shore of Lake Como and the location is the definition of an Italian paradise a gorgeous lake surrounded by hilly vineyards all live trees, wisteria vines, and Alpine peaks Oh man I'm way under dressed I'm still in my PJ's will no one notices they're looking at the bride she enters the church they're dying to know what and who she's wearing. She's an address that Johnny made just for her it's off white silk with just a hint of yellow. It's simple rats across her bust drops into a wide band in the middle and seamlessly blends into an exquisitely tailored skirt. Like everything Johnny does he put his heart and soul into this stress? An outwardly he's thrilled for the couple but privately, he's not so sure it'll last according to the book, the House of Saatchi. He told one of his seamstresses I don't know why we're going to all this trouble. They'll split within a couple of years I hope not they make such a cute couple I know they really Do So donatella makes her way down the aisle, her platinum blonde hair cascading behind when she reaches the altar she stops and turns to face the guests and that's when she notices johnny is staring at her and waving his arms like a wild man. Oh, my God he's telling her not to get married. Isn't he worse? Apparently, the train of her dress isn't flowing as freely as it should. Somehow folded up on itself, he points at her skirt. So donatella dutifully bends over to fan out her train, and that's when she inadvertently shows the wedding guests her cleavage. Johnny is frantic at this point mouthing no no finally, she gets it all sorted out and gets the nod of approval from her brother, and now she can finally get married. After the wedding everyone beams and Johnny presents his gift. Lemon. Gus An endless supply of matching socks close. But no, it's an incredible apartment in one of Milan's swankiest neighborhoods. He's decorated himself right down to the marriage I. Think they're just called beds while I'm sure it's top line once he sinks his teeth into a project no matter what it is it consumes him. Every detail has to be just. 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As his star rises sodas the pressure he puts on himself and on everyone around him including his sister and Muse donatella. This is episode to the First Sachi. Experience. It's nineteen eighty-four and Milan Gianni and Donatella the Saatchi Chile, which is a fancy way of saying his studio models sip Diet Cokes, puff cigarettes as they try on their outfits it's the day before a show. donatella points a manicured finger toward a models ballet flats hideous absolutely hideous. You can't have them wearing flats it will ruin the entire look of the close. Wow remember this is a woman who loves hill so much even her slippers are stilettos she has over forty pairs of candy-colored meals for one season alone. This shoe battle between Johnny Donatella has been going on for months and it's epic. She wants the models and heels Johnny prefers flats. The seamstresses in models are used to these two arguing. So they just do their thing while donatella johnny verbally. Duke it out. They know Johnny will eventually win. He always does after all he's the boss, but DONATELLO's come a long way from the Caterpillar who moved to Milan five years ago. Now, she's transformed herself into a big extravagant butterfly. She lightens her hair even more. She brings in a personal trainer back before personal trainers or even a thing she goes sexier and boulder with her clothes and she embraces what a few little tricks can do for the face like she wears five pairs of fake eyelashes at a time on each I. Yes. It's like a Vegas showgirl meets alluring chanteuse and it works. In her early days for Saatchi Johnny on hair and makeup duty for the models. He always loved her luck and Donatella Has a vision she basically turns all of the models into many donatello's. It wows the fashion crowd and it pretty much defines for Sachi's look sounds like the look of the eighties it was like, go big or go home on your roller skate. She was so good at it that Johnny puts are in charge of Sasha's accessories and turns out she's got an eye for that too. She goes big and bold sky high skinny heels clam elbow length gloves with jewels and little crystals. Johnny is thrilled pretty soon. Donatella job is to give her opinions on everything which comes with some pressure because Johnny is an Lubar perfectionist Donatella do you prefer -til or navy? Oh, for sure. Donatella should journalists with the bright yellow skirt or black sequence. Black sequence wait is this a trick question donatella what color for the bracelets aw clutch auto. Both. Wrong. Okay. I don't like this quiz. It's fun for done Johnny. They're alive with creation and opinions, and they have this incredible way of bouncing off each other. They talk so fast no one else even understand what they're saying except when Johnny starts to yell which just scares people. So they yes, him to death and stay out of his way. But Donna tell US stands her ground. Of course, Johnny is the boss and sometimes overrides her, which can be frustrating because donatella knows her instincts are spot on especially when it comes to shoes but it's an argument Johnny is tired of having and today he shuts down he's like flats and that's it case closed. Inside Donatello's seething and when she gets up the next day, she has a plan. On, the day of the show Janis. So distracted by the millions of last minute details, he hasn't even had time for his double espresso. It's the usual mayhem backstage models and assistance and people sewing and painting and hemming donatella somewhere. But he hasn't seen her and more than an hour when it's time to begin johnny slips into a seat in the front row as the music starts to pulse eight and here come the first group of models on the catwalk. Their hair is piled high. The shapes of the dresses perfectly tailored accessories are spot on and their shoes are. Wait what in the world is going on the models are all wearing high heels Johnny breaks out in a sweat where other flats, more models, stride out more high heels, what the he'll is happening. Except deep down he knows donatella. Right before the models, the runway donatella swapped out all the flats for heels every single pair. When they get back to the studio after the show Giannis Fuming, how dare you go behind my back into exactly what I told you not to do Tell like a major look so much better and you know it Giannis. So furious, he kicks her out of the studio. Later when he's cooled down, he realizes she was right. They did actually look leaner and Edgier. The next day when she comes in, he pulls her aside I made a mistake. He says, you're right about the shoes donatella is like John I told you and he says you didn't push enough. Johnny's right hand woman is an easy. He has a lot of demands and Dinatale is expected to be on call twenty, four, seven, it's exhausting. But she knows she's the only one who can push him in ways. No one else does. You need to take risks. You can't rest on your laurels. She's always encouraging johnny to think bigger edgier cut your skirts shorter show more leg. It infuriates Johnny he's the designer. He's the one who knows fashion, but she never backs down and he keeps asking her opinion. Johnny may be the creative genius, but it's Donatello's prodding questions and opinions always make the designs just a little bit better. It's a unique collaboration and the business starts to soar money is coming in and Johnny gets to work spending it. Imagine. It's nineteen, eighty five and you're in Lake Como Italy I'm putting on the Halter dress I got at target or twenty two dollars while it's actually December. Okay. Their snow on the pine trees and covering all the country roads and also putting on a park and mittens good move because we're going to Villa Fontana, l.. A. Three story mansion that belongs to Johnny Verse Touchy This Place Is. Insane. A giant terrace overlooking the lake perfectly manicured hedges some Gurgling fountains with Medusa heads for waterspouts. It looks like someone painted and dropped it on a postcard inside. It's pure Johnny twenty-seven rooms polished marble floors, deep red furniture hundreds of neoclassical oil paintings on the walls and an all pink bedroom for the Lady of the House on Atallah Yep for Christmas. This year Johnny has imported a huge for tree from Norway underneath, our piles of presents for everyone but the biggest present this year Donatello's news she starting her own line she is except it's not a clothing line. DONATELLA pregnant. A new sake is about to come into the world's and what better place to celebrate than a fabulous mansion on the lake. Now once the holidays are over the. Are. Right back at work to design the spring line including Donatella who loves working and smoking and wearing high heels, which she does pretty much right up until the day she gives birth June thirtieth nineteen eighty-six. Is it a girl or a boy, a girl and Johnny helps her and Paul pick out the name Allegra. That's beautiful. A baby in the family is always something to celebrate especially in Italian culture and Johnny becomes a doting obsessive uncle. He Calls Allegra his print Shapada which means princess in Italian and he starts bringing to fashion shows when she's barely a month old he loves showing her off Donatella gets it family is everything. In Nineteen eighty-six. is working in his office above the restocked store and Milan. When he gets a call from the men's shop below seniority, it's the manager from downstairs. What do you need? Well, Seniority Elton John is here the rocket man yes, and he wants to meet you Johnny. Doesn't even say by he just hangs up the phone and runs downstairs. Johnny rushes into the shop. He can barely contain his excitement close the store he whispers to the manager. Elton must be able to shop with no one bothering him or even looking at him we must make him feel at home. Johnny introduces himself to Alton just thrilled to meet. Johnny. He's been buying his men's collection from the London store for several seasons sight unseen. But this is his first time in Milan. I'm picturing leg johnny running around the shop Elton how about a Green Silk Print? It will look fabulous with your huge purple wig or how about this black Sparkley. Blazer? After. Hours of shopping they are thick as thieves and decide to have dinner together. I'm picturing them devouring plates of Pasta and white sauce guzzling bottles of wine and gabbing like long lost friends and not like celebrity surface talk like, oh, darling heavy been to Paris's sixteenth arrondissements. We're talking real conversation Elton opens up about his drug problem which has been going on for years. At this point he talks about his eating disorder and how self conscious he is about as fluctuating weight and he talks about the stress of opening the tabloids each morning to see questions about sexuality again. Johnny understands he spent years and collaborated the same way and his Joie de Vive is infectious. The Guy just loves life and music. It's the start of a beautiful friendship, two peas in a pod even the rich form. INSTA- bonds over shopping wine and good music, and it's a bond that will grow stronger over time and it comes with some perks. Elton brings press and attention to cheese close and for Saatchi keep him supplied and the latest shirts, vests and Blazers sometimes it's free and sometimes Elton can't wait any buys it. Once he spent four hundred thousand dollars on a single shopping trip. That's how much he loves verse Sake. Clothes. While I feel guilty when I spend fifty dollars on a pair of jeans. While they're very nice shirts. Elton even write songs, johnny shows and Johnny makes costumes for Elton tour. If you've seen pictures of out in in the eighty s, he's pretty hard to forget I mean his stage outfits were glamorous and fabulous and completely over the top embroidered hats crazy colorful vests, leather tuxes all versatility. But Johnny isn't really the type to fawn over celebrities. Not His thing which isn't to say, he doesn't see the value in famous people wearing his clothes he absolutely does but hanging out with them, all hours of the night is boring plus he doesn't really drink which is where donatella comes in. She's always loved rock shows and stars, and she has a knack for getting backstage. But male rock legends aren't enough what we're Saatchi needs is women famous women in in the fashion world that means couture we're talking custom pieces Johnny doesn't make any of those. He specializes in ready to wear clothing. Sure it's edgy and trail-blazing and very expensive, but it's not cut tour, which is one of a kind perfection. It's a tough lead to make for a designer and pretty rare for one. It's super expensive. The most exquisite fabrics cost money and sewing and draping and hand finishes must be perfect. It's a risk. But if it pays off, it puts a designer into an entirely new stratosphere. It's like a chef earning three Michelin Stars for his new restaurant and now no, one can get a reservation or afford the food. But Johnny is ready. It's January nineteen ninety a cold day in. Paris. But backstage at the Ritz the action is sizzling. Dozens of seamstresses and assistance pulling out bags of jewelry and shoes donatella hopping from model to model and Johnny yelling at everyone the show must be perfect. The Front of the House is pure Glam there are hand painted ceilings and spiral staircases and our runway that was specially constructed right over the pool. Oh my gosh it's like that bubble episode of America's next top model. We watched last year when we watched that model fall over and over again on repeat lake do people who need lives Funny though. They'RE GONNA be three hundred guests and the pressure is enormous. It's hard enough to put yourself out there and have people judge your work but the Parisian crowd is notoriously snooty. If they turn up their noses at his collection, it'll be a total catastrophe. When? The show starts? Johnny is a bundle of nerves I. Imagine he's standing backstage watching video monitor as the first model comes out. The next forty, five minutes or an all out assault on the senses the model spin and struck down the catwalk to a mix of opera and rock in a Su- Nami of little dresses wrapped up and pink hooded Capes miniskirts and glittery form-fitting tops. The crowd eats it up when it's over, they burst into applause. Even, the press has blown away. Johnny. killed it. He did what? He does best combining close music sex in theater to create a once in a lifetime spectacle. The show was a runaway runaway success and Johnny Ver- Saatchi is on the map. But it's never that easy. Johnny still has a problem. America they don't get it or him. They think closer Brash Paris. May Be the center of fashion but you have to break the American market. If you WANNA be a fashion designer at the top of your game that's where the money and real famous at least back then. But US. Magazines and high end fashion buyers pretty much ignore him. They won't even go to his party's. But he does find a champion in an unexpected place. At Vogue magazine please tell me when towards a Fan I've watched the Devil Wears Prada like twenty times. She is. She's a total trailblazer in so many ways and when she gets to vogue and nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, she made it her mission to bring in less stuffy more accessible fashion inverse touchy. She saw someone completely unique she thinks his designs are strong and fun. She invites him to show it a benefit and she starts featuring closed in vogue it was like a big confidence boost for Johnny Ana Wind tour likes as close. As donatello will later say Anna. And realized Johnny wasn't of older. He was glamour, but still the editor of vogue can't do much sway the American public it's GonNa take money to do that and Donatella. Arusha. What saves me a lot of money and also makes my life better on a weekly basis Is this a trick question? I was trying to come up with a creative segue to talk about GRUB HUB DA. Oh. 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What if she could bring an entirely new type of model to the sake runway print models like the trinity if I thought, she could get the trinity to walk their next fashion show maybe the press and American magazines will take notice. But there's a reason why designers don't use print models for their shows. Basically runway models needed to have these mannequin bodies that show off clothes and the best way. Little hips and wastes and super long legs. They had a particular way of even walking hips jutted out but muscles clenched head sort of tilted back sounds like me at the dentist. Over the runway faces don't really matter because the audience is looking at the close but in print faces are everything and they can have curve's. Thin they're just not a size zero and donatella thanks for Saatchi. Close will upgrade great on them. Now, she just needs to convince Johnny. And we know he can be stubborn. Yeah. She's got to go in hot. So it's early nineteen ninety-one Donatella is just off a flight from New York she high tails it over to Johnny's decadent Milan Palazzo Johnny has probably on his couch sketching surrounded by Greek vases and Roman busts is he always sketching has you ever do anything like watch TV or make a Salami Sandwich I mean I'm sure he does but since I don't really know, let's just say he's sketching. Anyway. Donatello marches up to him and flings these American tabloids atom. They're covered in photos of the trinity Donatello's like, Johnny we've got to get these girls on one of our runway shows. It's practically command. Johnny doesn't know what to make of it. Why is she showing him pictures? Of American models partying donatella keeps going look at the press they bring in like the Paparazzi follow them around imagine what kind of press could do for for Sachi. Johnny isn't keen on the idea what you're crazy. Look them. Their bodies are all wrong are boobs and bottoms. How would I ever dress them and what if they can't walk will be fashion roadkill. But donatella eventually wears him down. Now she's just got to commence the models and their agents, and that at a price, these girls are expensive Linda Evangelista had that famous quote. We don't wake up for less than ten thousand dollars a day and runway normally pays closer to a thousand. This is where Donatello's charm and persistence come in. She promises them beyond triple the rate for run may shows and then sweeten the pot with luxurious suites at five star hotels flights on private planes, free clothes and accessories. Everything is Free Free Free Hanmi, some versus and point me to the runway. Love that reference? And that's pretty much what they thought. Donatella not only scores the holy trinity she gets few more. They all agreed to do the next for Saatchi show it's going to be raining supermodels and Donatella is convinced verse Saatchi is about to change the course of fashion. In March nineteen ninety-one, the supermodels take the stage for the fall winter line. They look for Saatchi Fabulous. Linda Vandross has even dyed her hair platinum blonde. Big donatella vibes. Yes. Except her hair short of course, Johnny is worried the women will clump down the runway like clydesdales but they don't Naomi even creates her own walk. It's fierce all hips and swag and losing confidence and on Tele- was absolutely right about the close. The models make for Saatchi, look sensational and the audience agrees. But more important than the roar of the crowd is the sound of hundreds of flash vault the press practically stampede over each other as they run to payphone. So they can report to their editorial desks about the for Saatchi collection. It's a total game changer. You have to remember that this is pre Internet pre instagram twitter, and for Sachi is instantly making international headlines The day after the event, he basically blows past every other designer on the planet show Armani Chow Valentino although I do love Valentino. The show was trail-blazing. He pretty much creates the first modern runway show the risk paid off Donatello was right. Donatella has arrived and not only that she's going to take it further she's about to become the celebrity whisperer. Donatello's pretty much always believed the key to success for the sake brand is to get celebrities to wear their clothes. It's also the way into the hard to crack. American, market. If someone famous, where's your dress? Suddenly you're on everyone's hot list and of course, being Donatella, she sets her sights high the Numero Uno pop star in the world's I'll give you a hint. She's no virgin touched for the very first time. I Love Madonna so much my God. Yeah I mean what's not to love legend truly. The woman is a shape shifting provocateur a boundary pushing fina. M- donatella is salivating to bring Madonna into the. Fold. And they're practically best friends in the celebrity world because you know they met a couple of times. Now donatella has caught wind that Madonna. Is Sniffing around for new looks to play with donatella starts sending Madonna trunks filled with couture dresses on the house. Of course, it's like catnip and when donatella invites her to Milan for a show, she's like sure why not? This is where donatella kicks into high gear I. Wish my friends would give me trunks full of mature dresses. We'll do you want to imagine it you know I do. Your Madonna. You've been flown into Italy by Private Jet Now oiled men in loincloths are spraying your face with crushed rose pedal water. When you arrive, you're whisked off in a limo to Johnny's late Como Getaway Villa Fonteneau okay, and one of my wearing I mean I always picture Madonna and like a black boost day for me. So when you walk into the villa with your entourage, you smell the enchanting aroma of your favorite flowers, which are whatever trader Joe's has that week hardly. The entire Palazzo is filled with white gardenias and tube rose. The scent is intoxicating and even though you're used to the most opulent over the top splendor you Madonna are gobsmacked you've brought along your tiny dog Chiquita. She's a Chihuahua and before Chiquita piddles near some fourteenth century statue of a Roman God, a crew of super hot buff bodyguards swoop been an offer up their services. Meanwhile, you just relax as another hot guy hands you a bellini and a white gloved. All of this is true according to the House of her Sachi Book it sounds heavenly and it works. Madonna. Is positively enchanted by the villa and by donatella she'll end up becoming super close friends with both donatella and Johnny and she'll do several of their ad campaigns and Damn I don't know if you remember those shots of Madonna but they are positively iconic. Those were truly EPA. Yes. The campaign and Madonna is a huge score, but donatello wants more never one to rest on her laurels. She'll keep racking up wins with celebs like Demi Moore and Courtney love to park and Biggie staying in prints. Of course, it probably helps that she flies many of them into Italy. First Class opens up the shop and tells them to take whatever they want. She even gives them the run of the CRIB and Lake Como. Ritual she keeps the measurements of the IP clients on file. So if they can't come into the store, she sends an outfit that fits like a glove. All told the versatility budget for promotions is over seventy million dollars holy crap. Holy. But celebs liked hanging out with her she's fun and like Johnny She's also sensitive. She doesn't mind star tantrums demands. I mean she's got good practice from Johnny. Exactly. She's in charge of all the photo shoots to she hires the best photographers people like Richard Avedon, and she'll spend millions to let the photographer get the best shot and the effort pays off celebrities break open the market oversaw she's been trying to crack for years. The American public is no longer snubbing varsity they're in love with his clothes it's like you can run the world and be sexy too in other. Words when you wear for Saatchi, you feel like a beautiful bass donatella Johnny, have it all now they're at the top of the heap johnny keeps his nose to the grindstone working on new designs Donatella on the other hand has her nose into something else cocaine. Oh No. Yeah. By the nineties, coke is pretty much everywhere in the fashion industry everyone is indulging hair stylists and makeup artists love it because it keeps them going models love it because it's locale, and now you can too for the low low price of nine ninety nine. That's too low. I don't trust that coke. DONATELLA spending more and more of her time jet-setting between New, York and La. She's hanging with the cool kids. So becomes part of her lifestyle. It suits her Gogo bouncy energy. She even uses a code phrase for sniffing out who has coke do you WanNa guess what it is. Who has coke a Risha? Donna tell over Sachi. She'd March into a party or wherever puffing on a Marlboro tossing back her platinum main and ask do I smell. Chanel at first donatella Keith to just the party scene. But then she realizes it's kind of fun to do at work to. Like on photo shoots where there's always a wild vibe with sexy guys and tight white pants and tigers roaming around yes she did bring in Tigers photo shoots. So why not pop into the bathroom with an assistant or photographer into a bumper to her habit becomes casual and regular as having a cocktail. It's like happy hour except with cocaine instead of COSMO's like any habit it starts out is fun contained behind closed doors and far from Janis prying eyes, he'd never approve its why donatella loves coming to the states. It's an escape to her own fantasy island. There's only one problem johnny expects her to be. Available twenty, four, seven no matter where she is and things start to slip through the cracks like one time when Donatello's off on a photo shoot, she gets so high that she forgets to show up on set. Johnny calls her a dozen times, but it keeps going to voicemail when he finally does get through he asks how the shoot going and on tele- goes great johnny just great. 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In one, thousand, nine, hundred, four johnny gets a call from his new bff Elton John. When Johnny picks up out and tells them, there's a rumor and it's not good. It's about his sister donatella. She loves celebrity parties right she fits right in they both know that but people are starting to notice how little time she spends at the actual party how much time she spends in the bathroom and how different she acts when she comes out the laughing at her and America Elton says snowman when Johnny hangs up, he's pissed he knows Donatelli Usta Party here and there but now people are laughing at her he doesn't understand how she could let this happen let suddenly things start to make sense no wonder she's always running to America no wonder she missed that photo shoot. One thing is clear. These rumors are bad for business when you have a household name like for socheat, negative press can bring you to your knees. It's the mid nineties and the people of Milan. Are About to celebrate the most important holiday of the Year International Pasta on my God is that a day because I should be celebrating? But no, it's fashion week. except. It's no holiday for Johnny Versatility He's been working twenty four seven for weeks. In fact, the entire team is working around the clock to make sure everything's perfect. He's done hundreds of shows, but each fashion week is like the first like opening night nerves but donatello's back in town and he's glad he can finally get her opinion just like old. Times. Only she's nowhere to be found and when she shows up, she's late. and. Then she's always popping into the bathroom or who knows where it seems like time he turns to ask her a question she's gone. Where the hell is my sister, he yells and the assistance run off in a panic to find her. Donatella used to throw herself into her work side by side with Johnny. But now in the lead up to the show, she's going out every night and partying like there's no tomorrow. But now Johnny knows what she's doing and this time he doesn't give her a pass. He yells it doesn't matter what you do but you have to know how to do it and when to do it that's according to the House of her Sachi Book. Apparently. Donatella. So ashamed that she leaves and goes home probably to do more coke I mean who knows She definitely doesn't show any signs of slowing down and Giannis under no illusion he can make her stop, but he's worried about her health and the business and pretty much everything. So what does he do nothing I mean what can he do donatella headstrong if she's not gonNA listen to him about what shoes has models where she's certainly not gonNa stop doing blow because her brother doesn't like it. And the truth is she still bringing in celebrities and press the brand is on fire. So he does what he always does. He throws himself into his work. August nineteen, ninety four and Johnny Ver-. Sachi is pooped talion I wouldn't expect you understand but yes. He's been burning the candle at both ends ever since he learned how to work a lighter and now to be honest it's catching up with him. He just got back to Milan from a trip to the states and usually he's got more spunk than the energizer bunny. But lately, he's not feeling like his old obsessive self his hearings all messed up maybe it's an infection he thinks. But then Half, of his face swells up. then. He starts to lose weight. It's like his body is shutting down after years of hard work. So Johnny goes to see a doctor gets a bunch of tests and the diagnosis. Ear. Cancer. Should I didn't even know that was a thing yeah neither Johnny and the news knocks him sideways I mean he's forty seven years old I imagine he's thinking about all the things he still wants to do. But cancer doesn't care about your day job. He tries to keep up his furious pace at work but that becomes impossible. As soon as he starts chemo treatment wipes him out. He's all the time some days he can't even make it past lunch before he. Has. To lie down the timing couldn't be worse as Johnny's Energy Wayne's things at work are busier than ever verse. Sake? Is the hottest label in the world demands through the roof, which means there are new lines to design shows to put on ad campaigns that demand attention and as much as it pains him to admit Johnny doesn't have the stamina to handle all of it. Someone else has to step in and there's only one person he trusts enough to fill his SUEDE loafers donatella. The one and only he's probably still nervous about her drug use but his hands are tied. She's the only other person who understands the business inside and out, and she's all too happy to take the helm at thirty nine. She's been living in her brother's shadow for as long as she can remember a few years back. He gave her a tiny label of her own call the versus but it never really got much attention. Now this is her time to step out into the light when gets out that Donatello's taking more responsibility at the company. Every fashion journalist from here to saks fifth avenue wants an interview with her and donatella gladly agrees she used to be bashful with the media now though she's all charm funny Sassy and bold, and when the press finds out, she's a coke loving party animal they love her even more the headlines practically right themselves. Donatella totally steps up which starts to Rub John the wrong way it's like overnight she's become the face of the. Brand the brand he built but what Johnny really can't stand as when she begins taking credit for his work while he's busy. Trying not to die she's going around calling herself co designer even though she's never designed anything in her life it's all too much for Johnny he's always been his sister's biggest cheerleader. He begged her to come to Milan all those years ago and be part of his world. He gave her job and made her rich. This is the thinks he gets, but he's too drained and feeble to do anything about it. All he can do is wait until he gets better if he gets better. It's nineteen ninety-five. A change is blowing into the fickle world of fashion at avangard parties in New, York and La Donatella keep spotting Chic Young Women in plain slip dresses with the getty straps and simple chokers. They're stomping the dance floors with Chunky doc martens. The colors are muted black gray beige. The style is restrained fashion east `as START CALLING IT MINIMALISM AKA heroin chic move, and the trendsetting crowd Donatella runs with is going bonkers over the look. It's essentially the polar opposite of Saatchi's bright geometric shapes and sexy. Couture it's no secret fashion is a moving target you have to adapt or die. So donatella, no, she needs to talk to johnny like stat she has to convince him to embrace the style for an upcoming season. I don't think this is GonNa go over well with him. Yeah. He doesn't like the style, but he agrees to try some looks even though he's not feeling great. Johnny is still hands on. So he puts together a bunch of simple sheets and dresses though he can't resist giving them splashes of colorful embroidery donatella tells him he has to pull back go more. Basic less color, less sexy less everything. Johnny's not here it. How do you tell a guy who sees the world through technicolor goggles to create a sack dress charcoal grey or black He's like a hummingbird scientists proven macy colors. We can't even imagine if he's a hummingbird than Donatella is a bird of prey and she's got her sharp talons or ready to pout. She basically tells johnny that he's so in love with his own precious designs that he can't let go and then she goes in for the kill she screamed something like go ahead. You're dressing old ladies. Now you're stuck in the past like the widows from our village who never want to change I mean quoting my girl Heidi Gloom here one day you're in the next year out. So Johnny gives a little ground the close day, but they run into more problems when they start planning for Sachi's next men's show Johnny puts donatella in charge of casting thinking she'll crush it after all she killed it with a supermodel trinity and when it comes to male models, she knows what he likes tanned. Brawny dudes with glistening flawless skin. So imagine his surprise as he settles into watch the dress rehearsal and a bunch of scrawny strung out looking guys stumbled on the runway there. So bony the clothes hang on them like maternity smocks. Okay. I'm picturing stick figure drawings walking in verse Saatchi now. After the fifth model, he just can't take it anymore enough. He screams throwing up his arms he turns to Donatella and lets her have it. What were you thinking? My clothes are supposed to be sexy and powerful these beanpole candyman fill out a fitted t shirt. Back. In the day Johnny, Donatello's collaboration brought out the best in them. Now it's bringing out the worst, but there's not much johnny can do about it. He so depleted from the Chemo that even a small fight with his sister leaves him drained. He's worried he's losing control of the business. He's got a plan one that will ensure that the direction of his business will remain in his hands. This is episode two of our four part series, the House of research. 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Beri Smither: American Model

Art of Failure

27:07 min | 2 years ago

Beri Smither: American Model

"They can. Part of failure. I'm your host Steve Friedman. Thanks for tuning in. Yes. This is art of failure the podcast that explores what it means to fail as a human person. We all try so hard not to fail on a daily basis. And we also forget on a daily basis that failure is part of life, and that we can use failure as a catalyst for growth and movement towards bigger. And better things guys today, we have one of those awesome supermodels from the nineteen nineties berry Smith, very started modeling shoes. Seventeen and was sent to Paris where success follow she worked with fashion icons, such as Bruce Weber her Brits, Arthur Elgort, Michael Thompson. Steven Klein, Peter Lindbergh, and many more barriers appeared on the covers of and workman, countless magazines, including American British talian and French vogue as well as L Laurie. Claire glamour and caused. Politics in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight buried appeared in her first Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, two thousand twelve appeared on E television, scouted mentoring young models, and she continues to mentor young folks getting into the fashion industry today. She is a working model, and she spoke to me about that career growing older and how she shot herself in the foot again. And again, listen up. It's so good to see you. Thank you so much doing this. Thanks for having me. Awesome. To have you here. How are you? I'm amazing realty grateful. That's the admiring the name of this podcast, especially our of failure. Because I just think that that's a powerful phrase Arte failure. I think there is art in it. I think there's art in the recovery from it. It's interesting is positive, and I think to use the word art, I think there's art in lots of things, and I was sort of brought up. No art is art art is Moller or Van Gogh or dealiest or Shakespeare. But nothing else is art that I fell in love with all these other things like sports, and the and all these other things and found art in them. So I think that there is art in failure. And the people that I'm talking to and you included successful people. How do we use failure? As a catalyst. How do we use failure to come back from get over? Deal with allow it to be there the duality of it. So anyway, Where'd you? Grow up, you grew up civic north west northwest. Beautiful. What was that like great? I was in the suburbs. Head grass. I you know, I had a great childhood. I mean, you know, a little bit of disruption when the divorce happened. All ten early failures for you like, do you? Remember some early things. Maybe maybe your parents. My mom considered getting pregnant eighteen not necessarily fell yer, but it wasn't spoken about their failures. And I don't remember hearing a lot about especially not for my dad. Okay. But yeah, I mean, every family has failures dark skeletons in the closet. Yeah. For sure. I would say, you know, what when I was twelve thirteen. I was big track are very into long jump and high jump, and and excelled, and I qualified for the national the national meat, and I went, and I did my poorest performance ever because of nerves I was super super nervous. And I gave my the worst jump ever placed thirteenth now at the end of your career. Not quite it's winding down because I became more interested in extracurricular activities, right? The teen different. Gotta Hijau different. Kinda high jump pie. Yeah. That happens at that age to to a lot of people. Yeah. Okay. And in a very young age, you were tapped to go to Paris and get the modeling can just talk a little bit about that the beginning of your modeling career. And what your feelings were about all that stuff as a kid. So yes, fifteen I was seventeen seventy so after high school I finished high school kind of tumultuous path of high school made it through and then all through my life people. It said you're so photogenic you should model. I had no academic ambition. So I just wanted to travel really wanted to see the world. So I said, you know, let me get this modeling shop. So I went to agency. And they said sure you could work agency in the Pacific actually well in Oregon. Yeah, they have agencies all these small cities looking for local girl next door. Well, there's local work to those local department stores as nineteen eighty nine different. But they still exist and these smaller markets, and so I started working, and then they. They said do you want to go to Paris? I have a scout this interested in new scout meaning agency there that's interested in you. And I went and I got out of Salem through modeling. Seventeen seventy to graduate high school. What was tumultuous about high school? Well, I other than the normal things that high school is go through right? Yeah. Yeah. Growing up is challenging sometimes you know, I'd like to drink like to experimental lot. So I took that path. And I I wrote it real hard long time and. Yeah. I think it wasn't so much high school was challenging I think just that period in my life was challenging so early. Eighteen nineteen people are paying you to do small gigs. Or is it is it just skyrocket from the beginning. Well. It was skyrocket from the beginning. I mean, I was blessed. I met the right people. We clicked it was off to the racist from them, and I was making money quickly. So when people before you started modeling said, you know, you've got this great low key shit. You could do this. How did you feel about your physical appearance before modeling started? It's funny. I would look at magazines and see Christy Turlington. I would compare myself and say I I could do that. But I was too frayed. Interesting. So it it fell into my lap kind of because my stepdad had connections. And so I just kind of said, yes. And then it turned out I seek it. Yeah. Yeah. So would you say that you had a good healthy image of your appearance? I don't think it's changed much from now to then. What is that? What is kidding kidding? I've grown and I've got more confident and accepting of myself. And I think then I was. Young. I just I just keep relating to filling young. I mean seventeen eighteen you're so young you really having done like the major comparing yourself to others yet. You might miss started. You haven't done like the my waist, isn't that small my late my thighs? It's fat my profile my, but is a bubble. I need a flat. But I need bigger boobs. I need whatever I say these things every morning, by the way. As a kid seventeen. I knew I wasn't like this bony girl, but it didn't affect me as much as maybe it would have like you're my twenties and thirties when I really wanted to change like when I wanted to change, but I couldn't because this is the body that God gave me. So it's like do the work to accept the body and treat it the best. You can like an athlete. Train's model is the same. I would always look at it. Like that. Like, it's my business. Just like an athlete trains for the race. I need to train for my business. Pure say started to get a healthier view toward it and also just an accepting view too. Because you can only go so far all this early success as a model skyrocketed, and but there's some early failures to can you talk about some of those of sure I mean, I was at the height of my career and. I was. So a lot of my life revolves around recovery from drugs and alcohol or good. And I mean, I was at the height of my career. And I was my life was being run by the substances. Not by my choices. I was not showing up for the third day of DKNY campaign with Peter Lindbergh. Well, I did show up my agent had to come get me. Duck my head and ice. Like, you definitely feel like a failure. When you're walking out at nine AM, new your apartment with your sunglasses on everyone's going to work and the kids are going to school to hear them, and you're going to get more drugs. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's definitely a failure. Walk. Walk for sure. Or, you know, some of the disgraceful things that we do under substance abuse that you know, we wouldn't do otherwise. 'cause we we didn't have choices if we're true addicts alcoholics. But even even DKNY thing the third you do make your Asia calls. They get buried to the set they get her and they dunker head on the ice. You go home that night, you probably still involved with substance. But there's no feeling of Morris or I I gotta get my shit together. Or I screwed up a fifteen thousand dollar shoot or whatever. Well, I mean, I've done that before where I've cancelled the day before and had to pay for the studio rental maybe a few of the people's day rates some of the props that's happened before. And what is what does that feel like? Believe it or not so weird. I I'm not connected to because like my agents would just take care of it. Of course, it was my money, but they would just take care of it. I mean, it's really that classic story of being enabled. And I was making money. It's not like I had a lot of time to sit and wallow. It's like shut so much to home with the substances you shut so much down. But I've had plenty of time to reflect back and say, I wonder what things would have been like if I was not actively using alcohol and drugs, but if it were meant to be that way, I believe in God. So I believe that somehow, someway, the powers that be sort of like knew that that's not what I could handle at that time. And I also believe that the story's not over the story is not over, you know, I mean, we're this is part of writing all of our stories sitting here at this table right now if you go back and you connect the track me and soon after the track meet you start to with the substances and living a little bit wild. And then it sort of gets you. It gets you to this twenty years of recovery, which is remarkable. And it's definitely a freedom. But what you get is this big full life from that from that failure. And if the end game is to help other people being sober is definitely. The pathway to to be conscious to do that. So just it just a little deeper dive on one or two actual failures that you can think of you didn't get a cover or you've got kicked out of thing or you're not the girl anymore failure in relationships. I'm single I'm forty seven. I could get all caught up about that. And that's a failure. But I'm not going to do that. I choose not to do that. Right. I mean learn from it are things that failed. It you're saying it's a choice. You choose not to choose not to go there. And I think that's a hard thing for young people to when the failure happens. Proceed failure happens. There's no choice. I can't believe this thing happened to me. And that there's a choice that you have at that moment. Yeah. I mean, there's the time when due to Michael hall behavior, I was a cover try for big magazine, and I showed up and I did the job. But. I'm ninety nine percent. Sure. That I was not chosen for the cover because of the state that I arrived in upsetting. But again gonna like hang on that. No. I think I'm gonna keep it moving. Do you think there are people who get information like that? And don't recover from that. I think if they do if they have a propensity to sway to the negative. I think they have to work really hard at it. Right. A lot of work to to come back and keep keep moving. Don't let it define us. You need to read a book. Thank you ever told you that before I my whole career. I've been told this too seriously, my whole career, let's take a moment. Here message from our sponsor for today's episode. Do you suffer from foam? Oh, now, there's new mo- foam. Oh, mo- foam. Oh, help you channel your anger for the failure of missing out Momo has two layers. The first layer helps you feel the anger and the second layer helps you gently forget the event you missed by using time release mini epinephrine bloggers called Nanno AP's. Do not driver operate heavy machinery with Momo such as backhoes clam-diggers and firehoses. Don't take nursing or pregnant or if you have ever nursed, call your doctor right away. If you feel like he or she is missing out on something or just missing mo- foam. Oh, let go of the fear of missing out. Welcome back to berry smoother and art a failure. You know, I think that the images I know we'll go back to the career for a second. But today with Instagram Facebook, social media, and these carefully curated images that we all have. What do you say to young women about body image internal image when they feel like they're failing compared to the rest of the world. I mean, you said that I don't have that experience. I mean, I totally do it's coveting. It's like you're covering something. You don't have. So whether that be a family scenario or seen or a house or someone small waist or someone's husband or someone's wife, you know, see scenarios fantasies. Well, it's images that we're seeing. I don't know if it's fantasies. I mean, everyone likes to what you see on the outside. But how do you know? It's like that on the inside for those people like don't always just go right to the it's fake because it might not be fake. And so what it's like let the people live their lives. My my solution around all that is to not look at it that much. Media. Yeah. To be quite honest. That's healthy. And what I would say to kids around it is. I mean, I look at my nieces six nieces and one nephew all ages twenty four and under. So they are, you know, right with social media, culture and. I think that I mean, there's all these studies. It's it's making us worse or you because we are never quiet. We're never detached to. We're never wondering or imagining. We're not training. Our brain to read like books where we're just you know, it's like a video game. We're constantly in this video game or watching a video flashes flashes. Flushes flushes, but at the same time, okay, we can sale this. And like, everyone does you hear a million commentaries on this kind of thing? It is what it is. It's two thousand nineteen. Nothing's changing. This is the culture. So it's like, I think the young people need to learn to manage it. I mean, I try to manage it do next your bed for you. Go to sleep. Yeah. I try not to. Yeah. I do. I don't have a watcher alarm clock by design. Laziness. You know, it's interesting Justice morning. I saw this report about Giselle who I guess is this book coming out about her panic attacks and her suicidal thoughts about deploying yourself balcony, somewhere Kabo or something and. This is why I think that this podcast is important is talking to successful people. And here you have Zell here have you at the top of your game. And and yet we feel these feelings we feel like a failure. Because we have this depression or suicidal thoughts, and it's it's still very much covered up and swept under the rug. And I think again shining light on it and talking about it. How do we get through this? How do we get past these failures? I think is a super important thing. I mean, it's hopefully what we learned from our parents if they had the sensitive. It's like you pick your bootstraps up and you keep moving it's always in your business in Hollywood fashion aging. I think can be seen as failure age out. I know it's definitely not as bad as it used to be. Well, I don't even think it's that. I mean, I was just telling one of my other friends Chander who is a model, and we came up together. I was just telling her like, it's interesting. Do you feel like you're not looked out on the street as much anymore? That's nothing to do with modeling. This is just a person eight. Yeah. This is the human right? I mean, you I don't know this everything. Yes. You to everyone does it's different. There's not that you feel invisible. But it's just it's just different not, I don't believe aging failure. I think it's being celebrated and glorified now because they need going along with normal size models. Not all these. He's very thin girls tapping into reality the customer the real world, you know, eighty percent is not that fantasy size. So they had to sort of raise the bar like higher normal sized people. I think it's amazing. I love it and the aging thing it's I mean, the boomers need product. So we sell to the boomers and older the baby boomers and the boomers ain't young the, you know, the mooners my mom, so I feel like the advertising in the economy has again, raise the bar to them in a way because that's our customer. You know, fashion is become a small niche, the true fashion is more of to me. I've you as a complete art very very expensive. Art, I feel like things are getting Hutcheon is a little bit to fashion runway shows designs in the nineties when I was doing the most of my work, the fashion work. It was there was a prestige about it. But there was no social media and internet was just starting. So. Models transcended editorial the high fashion in the commercial now, it's it's it's more categorized. You've been through a lot of changes in this business. Well, yeah, I mean, the whole nineties I think it was the last era of the like bona fide supermodels, right? It was K is included in that Kate moss. Naomi Campbell, Christy Turlington. Well, really who it was was Naomi Campbell, Christy. Turlington Linda, Evangelista and. I think again, what shifted everything. Oh, no. This is what she that everything magazines and beauty campaigns decided to start using celebrities on every cover of every magazine. This was the major major shift toward the late nineties movie stars. Yes. And they started doing selling the perfumes the make up and they're on a cover of everything in. There was no place for the supermodels. And because they sold the Mazey's better. Clearly, there were some weird shift that happened 'cause they had a blockbuster film out on the cover of vogue now that magazine sold better. Apparently when they wanna keep kept doing it. So got to the point where you go to the newsstand, and there was no models celebrities and the shift really started happening, then and I think that also fed into this idea of beauty beauty is within. I of the beholder because actresses are pretty but the supermodels like a freak of nature their beauties weird. It's so beautiful. It's weird. Right. I think that the celebrities coming in. We're not as pretty but they were being made up. They had the best glam teams. They were beautiful on these covers in China. I think that that then also filtered into beauty is many different things, you know. And then coupled with social media everything shifted because then you have people have their own platform to get a million followers that we don't even know you, and I probably twenty people that we have no idea who they are who have a million followers more than twenty. We have no idea and all the sudden people could be their own boss, and, you know, be their own PR agents through all this social media. And and again that whole term of influencers came and branding for expert like. I'm just talking about the shifts because then also advertisers wanted to see people that were brand experts. So they didn't want a pretty model to sell that blow dryer they wanted the the celebrity hairstylist to. So that blow dryer, you know, and sort of started diluting, the whole supermodel thing and it fell off. And then in my opinion, what ended up happening is everyone started focusing on Victoria secret as like the supermodel platform, which before that was a little section of it. But the Munis fashions a high, you know, it's. Costume talent. I mean, these people that are producing this is incredibly talented. But did you just different? Did you not gallons? It's g-strings. Okay. Did you regret the movie stars? Who are on the covers of? Oh. And I was a little angry about that. I was like they're stealing our platform. Yeah. I was the shift is everywhere. Yeah. But it also helps with this democratization where the average person you get a millions followers on if I don't mean average person, but he's about marketing and social media and how you handle that. Now, you do that. Yeah. It's not so much about your interaction with your followers, and all these crazy things. So you still do magazine stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I do a lot of advertising commercial work. Catalogs dot com. What about the gig economy? You know, we're both freelance you have downtime sometimes. Yes. And that brings up feelings for me. I'm not punching a clock. How do you deal with that? I call my agents harping on them. I get a screen shot for the next two months to see if there's anything on my schedule in my chart, so I have some hope and also so I have some reality. It's a reality. Check. But I've done this for so long have done this for over twenty five years I've been freelance. So it's just kind of in my my being I don't stress too much about it. No, it's comedy cycles at this point in time. If you had a second chance at life, and I literally have because the other path almost did kill me, and I've gained some wisdom and been able to by the grace of God secure myself a little bit with finances. So if in fact things are going to turn that way, they're going to turn that way. But I don't really have fear about it. Because like I've today so I can do something else that I'm not gonna starve because I've made some discipline around my finances how much she think fear plays a part of how we deal with failure. I think it plays a big part because we care about what people think and we care about how we look. So what do you say to a fifteen year old boy or girl who's feeling like they failed for whatever reason? And now, what do you say to them never give up and don't let this define you. And don't give so much power. Because if you if you let the kids let fifteen year old they're speaking of. Goes for everyone. But if we let a failure. I mean, okay, let it take the wind out of your sales for like a week. Okay. But seven days bring yourself back up and try again, or and also learn from it, maybe you were seeking something that you're not cut out to do accept it. You gotta give it has given us each talents and abilities as strive with those, you know, and it doesn't mean that those are going to be easy to achieve. But you know, like learn I mean can't we learn from our failures. I think that's huge. I love the learn from our failures give it a week. Well on a big person fill your feelings, feel it process it deal with it. Because otherwise it's gonna come out gain twenty pounds lose twenty pounds drinks tequila getting a car wreck. It's like deal with deal with it feel like cry about it getting. Angry about it. But I think learn from it. I mean, it's just it's just like I said, I don't think it's a an end to anything. I don't think I think it's a beginning. It's a beginning failures beginning you tried. We have to try. I think it's easier. I think it definitely. And I wanna hear your thoughts on this. I think it gets easier as we age when quote unquote, failure happens. That's why I think there's no magic bullet to say to an adolescent. Here's what you do with your failure pickers off up give it seven days. Right. It's true and taking it back up, and we as a dealt have that feeling I had that visceral reaction to what I perceived as a failure. But I also have other things that kick in that helped me get through that moment, and that's harder for for young people for it is for people to turn that around like that. It's their world. Yeah. I think like is giving them examples of famous successful people. I'm sure you have some from doing this podcast that have had tremendous failure. But nothing stopped them. That's a good way to end it. Thank you so much Barry doing this. Really? Appreciate it. Thank you. Hey, thanks so much for listening to art of failure. I hope you'll join us again special. Thanks to cale fuss. -ment Sally Sanborn Noah Samborn Friedman Musi Friedman, my agents at CESD, Anita Billy, Donna and Sam John MaGee and maranda Schaefer, Joanna Pinto. My mom, sunny sisters, Marci Michelle who witnessed many early failures. Thanks, Barry Friedman, so much for our music and special. Thanks to everyone out there who is experienced failure at keeps moving forward. That's what we need to do. Let's remember that Winston Churchill defines success as the ability to move from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm staying through Ciaston, keep moving and I'll see next time. Thanks for listening.

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Ep. 67 #TheGlowDown: Makeup By Mario on Flawless Skin Tips, The One Drugstore Product He Cant Live Without & Mercury in Retrograde, okurrrrr

Breaking Beauty Podcast

34:32 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 67 #TheGlowDown: Makeup By Mario on Flawless Skin Tips, The One Drugstore Product He Cant Live Without & Mercury in Retrograde, okurrrrr

"The following podcast is a deer media production. Welcome to the glow down by breaking beauty our episode featuring breaking beauty news. What products were loving and not so much. Plus insider hair make up and skin tips and the translator blowing up our DM's you've got the hot tanks coming right up. Welcome back to the glow down by breaking beauty. Hi, everybody high. Carleen new gel. How are you? I'm pumped for today's opposite. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. Like I was kinda nervous for this interview, and I really don't ever get nervous. You're star struck. I was I mean this guest has the largest Instagram following of anybody. We've ever interviewed. Yup. Six point five million people. Follow his every word is removed every brush stroke. And our guest is none other than Mario dead. Avanovic woo. Make up by Mario most of you will know him as I mean, is there, anybody who has defined make up more in the last ten years than this makeup artist? Absolutely not. I would definitely give him that credit. You know, you think about Kim Kardashian his star client, his muse his muse, and it's, it's absolutely era defining like the. The number of women who have sort of done like copycat looks to get Kardashian face. And that was all created by absolutely he's vision. And, you know, he was using techniques that have been around for a long time, quote, unquote the fully beat face. Yeah. You know, the contour and the highlight these are old school makeup tricks. And he just brought them to a new new audience on social media and not only did he bring them to new audience. He I think ushered in a whole new era of products. We would not have all these contouring highlight kits on the market from every single brand out there luxury to drugstore without makeup. Mario totally agree and just gave a whole other level of interest to the idea of that flawless base that he created that looks absolutely airbrush no matter, you know, no matter who's taking the photo. I'm gonna say or what filters on it or not on it. Yeah. But also like his ability to have the face look lifted. Yes. Just through makeup is just like what kind of magic? Is that there's so much to learn from makeup? Mario that he is turned that into an industry in and of itself. Yeah. With his masterclass. Yes. Absolutely. And I think what's incredible is that even beyond this iconic look that we all know and love now and you see all over Instagram on so many people, he also can go outside of that box if you look at the, the, the look that he created for the met gala on Kim Kardashian, that she looked like a mermaid, who has literally just surfaced out of the water this soaking wet high gloss like intensely defined is and that stayed put all night like, how do you keep that gloss going for hours and hours under those lights on the red carpets and saying, yeah, and I think it's just he, he was on Instagram talking about how he was so nervous to do that look. And it takes like ours to do it. Right. Yeah. And it just all was so on brand for her, and just, you know what I loved about that, too, is of all the makeup looks. That we saw on the red carpet, his was getting recreated on Instagram immediately. And he's shares other artists other artists work, and their take on his look of Kim at the mat gal because he listed all the products on Ceram. So everybody could try it. And, you know, people flock to his master classes, and I've watched it on YouTube, his last one, I believe it was either last one or the one before was in February in L A. And, you know, when I when you think of masterclass you might think of an intimate group sitting around something that looks like a classroom with a bunch of small mirrors, but no, it's a massive auditorium. Yeah. And all the seats are full for rows and rows and rows. It's it's like a concert, really? And every seat is full. Yeah. And it's it draws makeup artists, of course. But I think it also draws a lot of novice makeup lovers. And certainly when you and I saw him on stage at Sephora in, in Los Angeles. Back in October that was the Sephora event he had in the audience he did have. National makeup artist there but he had moms. He had, you know, young girls asking him for tips. And tricks, people were like my, my mom has are they were asking questions on behalf of their mom. And so he's nailed this sort of like approachability. People feel like they know him because of social media, but I think ultimately, he is a little bit more of a reserved person, and yeah, consummate, professional. And I think anybody who roles with the Kardashians. I think there's a temptation, they are that you're becoming a bit of a star yourself and things can go off the rails. I've seen that with other people that are were on the show. They were writer dies, and then boom, all of a sudden one day they are no, where to be found. Yeah. So I think that's a testament to his relationship with Kim. And like how they've grown together and helped each other and you said she was even on the stage and at his masterclass in Los Angeles. She was, and I think that's another thing that, you know, people are watching with fascination is the way that Kim and Mario have worked together to mutually build this empire. Like she obviously has. Makeup line. K. K W. Now, I'm sure behind the scenes he's helping to develop those formulas or just like test drive and be like this is good. This needs to be tweak whatever and at the same time, you look at him and the business that he's building as a personality and as a super influence, or really. And she's there for him like, why is she going going to this masterclass sitting in his chair? I mean, clearly he's not going to just pay her to do that does not need the money. It's just they're kind of mutually growing again just like this icon ick. Beauty business together in a way and it's just incredible. And anyone of us can go, and there's a show, there's actually another masterclass coming up June twenty second in New York. I know he's going to demonstrate how to get a glamorous red carpet makeup application. Kim's not going to be there, but I still would go. I know now. I'm like he's piqued our curiosity. I just loved his energy. I mean he is like you said, a super influence or I think a little behind the scenes moment, we can share is. I, I don't think I've ever met a makeup artist. That had to have security, you know, be met with him. He was in town with philosophy to do a mini masterclass with them, and it was that's the four at York Dell in Toronto and they shut down the whole store, and there was a maybe a hundred lucky people that got to sit and watch him on stage. Execute some of his makeup, techniques and logs. What did they have to do to get in there? So in order to be considered as an attendee for this particular event, you had to purchase almost one hundred dollars worth of philosophy products at the Sephora at the York del locations specifically, so you would have to call the store to get all of those details. But once you were in it was like one hundred people, and you'd have the chance to like, you know, Chit chat with Mary. Oh, ask him questions. Literally, a front, row seat, and the whole Sephora York deal store, which is huge. It's probably one of the largest Sephora in the whole country. Here was shut down. Yeah. So like think about that access. I know he's all well, I feel really fortunate that we had kind of a mini masterclass, which will. Will be shared with all of you in today's episode. So Mario is going to walk us through how to get that flawless airbrushed base. We really drill down on his top foundations. We talk about micro concealing. He schools us on sandbagging which can I just tell you as a side note, I've been using his technique? I've seen sandbagging on YouTube before and stuff. But I don't think I really got it until he explained it. And now I've been using it all the time. And it's just method of like setting your makeup. And it totally works. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Actual takeaway amazing. And then, of course because he was here with philosophy. He shares with us his skin care products that he likes to us from them to prop the face before he even touches his makeup cat during our interview we couldn't let him go without asking him like his number one rider died. Drugstore product, we also get very specific about what he loves for bronze are, of course, we ask him about products, but I wanted to get a little bit personal with him because I love following him on social media on Instagram. I'm like he went on this trip for mother's day with his mom to, to loom. And I just think it's so sweet. He's like with all of his success. He's like, you know, paying it forward to his family, and I just think that's amazing. I really showcases. Like what type of person he is? And we also wanted to get to know him a little bit better. So he had some pretty fascinating things to say about mercury in retrograde and it's probably not what you think, and we asked him what he loves to do on his days off, which are few and far between. And then a lot of you had some questions in our Facebook chat room come on and join us if you're not in there already we talk about so much fun stuff off the air. But, you know that Mario often does kalabs with K K, W, K, K W by Mario collection, like ten pan eye shadow palette and cream lipsticks. But in this episode we find out whether he will ever create his own makeup line, or his own YouTube channel burning questions. Really? So to kick off the interview, I mean, I am a loyal keeping up with the Kardashians. Nhs watcher. So I wanted to ask him if there was any truth to the story we read in the cut that he himself was the one who invented the phrase. Oh, and of course we had to hear it from his lips for ourselves. Just realized recently someone posted, an Instagram. It actually came from there was, like this comedian, that would do these videos show, Ken, tell Brown or something like that. And I think that's where I maybe originally, saw it or hurt it, and then I started seeing in front of khloe, and then khloe start saying that it would go on her show, and then it just became a thing after then Cardi started doing it. Okay. Do you ever press? One more time. Okay. We let our listeners know that you were coming on the Mike. There were so excited. They have so many questions about how to like ace third base. So can you tell us how you prep skin before you even put any makeup on? What do you do to crop? So that really honestly depends on the client. And what their skin looks like it depends, also on what type of look that I'm doing, but there are some things that are always consistent, you know, I always use wipe swiped the around the is, especially because even when they cleanser face, sometimes there's little a scarlet thrown the is or lash glue, and so the purity made simple one set facial cleansing, plus or really great for that. Just a whole purity may simple line in general, is great because it's not like aggressive. It gets the job done, but it's not aggressive. It works for a lot of people. And I'm very proud to say that in my almost twenty years of doing makeup. I've never had one complaint about skin care that I've used or that I made someone breakout. Some very proud of that Sam very cautious of what I use on my clients, and then, you know, moisturizer obviously, before you do make up is super important. And the purity made simple moisturizer is one of my favorites as well for that, and I personally was have been using that stuff for wanna say like. Probably eighteen or nineteen years now because when I used to work at Sephora when I was a teenager many years ago, you know, everyone would come in everyday asking for that. And so that's how I became familiar with it. And so I've been using that forever. Pretty much Connick now. Yeah. It's definitely an iconic sink. Overnight. Notice every time I posted on Instagram. I mean, everyone just says great things about it. Like every girl is like I love that I used that it's the only cleanser I can use, you know, and then they have this new, the new product, which is in front of me, right here, the hydra, since with coconut water, which is just like I mean I like to describe it like a real big glass of water for the skin is super super hydrating. You know, you could just press it in with your fingers, or with a, a cotton ball, and I don't love, greasy products. And so this is why love this one because it's not super oily greasy and I actually when I got sent to the other day, I've been using Super Dry, hands XM on have dry, cubicles and stuff. But I hate to have any sort of greasy, Textron my fingers. So you really use this on every day on my cubicles now my fingers and like it because it makes them super hydrated. Okay. Good pack. I feel like your hands are always in shot, so you're probably pretty I'm so, so conscious about. I mean I was actually going to post the story today of my full blown like extra hands because they were I mean I, I have a bunch of this on my hands right now. So you can't see it. But once you know, once he got to the shower, and I'm script clean. My hands are literally sandpaper. It's like a big insecurity. Only guinness. I feel like that's a lot of makeup artists say that honestly. The amounts of like the amounts of of hand sanitizer. Use is insane. I mean it us so much incense as what I'm working and I want to wash my hands so much because I use my hands as a pallet in. So you know it's drying. Super join now specifically people wanna get nitty gritty nitty gritty details. They wanna know what products do you use. In what order do you apply them, for example. The age old question, conceal her before foundation or the inverse that kind of thing. I actually there's no set answer to that. I actually change it up. Sometimes I want to say it's so funny because I always ask my system link weight on this client way to conceal the first after a few I confuse myself, sometimes I think the best way to do. It is concealed after. So I'd like to do the is the very first thing I do after the after cleansing, the skin and prepping the skin is browse, and then I, I do browse. And then I do the shadows an islander on the top on the lids, and then I take a white began in clean under the eyes, and then I started going with the foundation and blah. End the foundation really nice. They don't put the foundation under the eyes. And then I do conceal her, and then I blend the concealed sort of into the foundation, and then I take the sponge, you guys should really master classes, a long story. And I take the sponge that I put the foundation on with a nice sort of blend around the edges of the concealed Africa. Blended the concealed. So it's like a whole thing I go back and forth and just making sure everything is blended into one another, and then I sort of finished with the powder setting with the powder, and then I go, and then I work on the lower lower is. How long does that normally take it do like a celebrities full face? So it depends on the celebrity, it depends on the look, you know, some looks a lot more. I have a lot of super glam clients that really like a lot of makeup, and you know, that requires a lot of detail on I am extremely detailed. And then I have clients that just like a quicker. They like a faster a look. So dependent anywhere from thirty minutes to two hours to enough hours. Yeah, just really depends on the client. I can I must have a person that I could literally just if they let, if they let me I will just be there five hours, using because I'll just keep finding things and perfecting things and changing thing you know, so, but I would say the average is like an hour and a half to two hours. And what do you do for hyper pigmentation obviously, as we got a bit older, like I've got a spot right here? How do you end the concealed? It's just not enough. I do this micro concealing, which is basically boy, in addition to correcting you know, when clients have darkness under the eyes or dark sunspots, it really helpful to correct it with, like a peachy or orange or reddish. Depending on what color they are you put a little bit of that. And you blend it and then I take a tiny bit of like a translucent loose setting powder. And I go right over it just to make sure it sticks nicely. You kind of go over with the foundation or the concealed now, if it's coming through sill, then you kinda micro, conceal which is you take a tiny bit of a concealed typically a harder. Texture conceal. That's not so not to liquidate unto watery, and you sort of just had it right onto that little area. And, and that's it. Do you have a favorite one to use for what for that specific conceal her with? There's a few of them use. There's some makeup artist brand stuff. I used like choir Lon Vinai, which is not sort of available to the mass or it is, I guess, but it's not that famous and then I use the new Surat beauty conceals, which are very kind of have a waxy texture, which I like it sticks to the skin really nicely and then the secret camouflage lower mercy has a hard sort of drier texture, which is really nice for that, that on right now. Okay. People want to know what are your top three holy grail foundations? Why do you love them? And how do you like to use each of them? Oh my God. Loaded. Even just one I have so many nations that, you know, because really, it depends on it depends on the look, I'm going for. And the type of client, a lot of it has to do is sort of the, their Sediq where the taste level, you know, like sometimes, I'll use super natural co Gento aqua from Dacian, that's super sheer beautiful, and sometimes, I use, you know, a super full coverage foundation which you know, cream foundation like the RCA or, you know, those makeup artist brands that are sort of used in theatre, and television film. And then sometimes I'll use like the new lower mercy foundation as well as really nice. It kind of you can build onto it to achieve more coverage, but still have that sort of like breathable, healthy skin. I use Lemaire foundation. Sometimes I really I have so many different ones in my kit. Because I you know, we kind of take them out of their original packaging, put them in little tiny bottle. So it allows me to really bring in a lot of product in the kit, and I mixed colors, I'm abused mixer. So I never have like the full line of colors. I just have a few colors. I mix them in get the perfect much. That's how you know, you are pro all costs. What's your number one rider died drugstore product, that's always in your kit? There's a lot of them actually. I mean it has if I had to choose one that I sort of can't live without would be the L'Oreal, voluminous mascara in carbon black, which I've been using for maybe at this point around eighteen years. Okay. Laurie also going to be so happy got him. One of those sweatshops worth it. I just love it, and I try other ones. I have other ones on my kid as well. But, you know, it's like that thing that you sort of keep going back to it. Yeah, I feel like drugstore mascara as our gut. It's one of those a lot of jokes were stuff is being, and we watched you on stage at Sephora and the one thing I noticed was how many beauty blenders you had and in fact, Silva, who's been on our show, walked by one point. She goes, love you Mary. And it was on her. Mystery solved and there was like so there was like six beauty, blenders there and you were using them all for different things. Can you shed some light on that, and how you're using them I wish because have to come to the masterclass, honestly, because like all this stuff you see in person in all makes sense so use different videos for different things because I'm so kind of clean when I work and anal and detail about not mixing textures and things like that, or, or strategically sort of mixing them if I have to, but one video blender is for consumer only one beauty, blender will consider on the islands once I it's abrupt the islands and then one of them is for concealed under the I one of them is for foundation blending. One of them is for contour blending. If I'm using a cream contour, one of them is for, like, for this setting sprays that I use when they wanna pet extra setting spray or Jewish spray like onto the cheeks. So every kind of product has its own beauty blender, and I don't like to mix the products in the texture it gets messy, keep them like color-coded in your mind. You're like green one is far. No, I have to say my dump my assistant Dominique because I always forget, which ones are, which, so she hands me. Because she keeps track of which ones station which Winston sealer because I wanted to know he's got a system that's the best assistant. So tell us we've been talking about your master classes. What's the number one thing you get asked all the time? There's a few of them. I just saw somebody just before. So there's a few of them, I get asked a lot aside from, like all of the because the majority of the students are makeup artist. We're really looking to, to further their careers into learn new tricks and things like that a lot of it is under I- questions, I get because a lot of people struggle with, you know, the make-up running under the eyes or not lasting day and night. Another one is there's the underwrite question that I get so much meaning like, how do I get my eyeliner to not run or how do I get my makeup to stay put or I put it on in an hour or two later? You know, the client looks a mask or something like that. So that's one that I get as a lot of questions like a lot about, you know, how do I do this for hooded is, how do I do this liner technique, because my Leonard techniques kind of, like crazy, you know, there's, like steps to it, depending on the look, but then people want to know like, we'll help. If someone has hooded is I got to go into experiences and how to, you know, everyone has everyone has a certain issue or issue, you know what they see what, what they think, is an issue for their specific. Face with specific clients. But every issue has a solution. You know what I mean? And so I just teach those have you ever had any kind of blooper moment happened went on stage at a masterclass. I don't know. I do crack a lot of jokes in the master fast, and I'm very sarcastic and people get surprised because they don't like they don't then realize, like just from following and social media. I don't show so much personality. But then they come to the class in the legal, my God, you're so funny. Like I had no idea. I'm always teasing people. I, I don't know about bloopers though. I feel like you're very prepared. That probably doesn't happen to you. Yeah, totally. And so we, we did source some listener questions. Probably not. Unlike the ones you get near masterclass, so Lia asks, what should a fair skinned contour beginner? No. And I can relate to this. Yes, I'm so pale. Less is more for fair skin, especially and also what I tell all my masterclass students would say, always get surprised at is. You know, I always say it's more important, it's important to know how to contour but it's more important to know when not to contour just because something's a big trend just because, you know, you're seeing it and it's kind of in your brain because you're seeing it all Dan social media. Does it mean that it has so that you have to do it, and it doesn't mean that it's going to benefit you? In fact, a lot of uncertain facism certain people contour can really do a disservice to you. And, and so you have to sort of, you know, I think that comes along with sort of aesthetic, and knowing sort of taste level, and all those kinds of things, but with fair skin in particular, stay away from anything, too, heavy meaning I would probably not even use cream contours on fair skin. I would just stick to more of like a bronze or, or some sort or contra Potter that's not to orange not to read, because it can look extremely orange red. If you're not careful. So stick to more products that are more cool toned. And products that are here that you can sort of build, build, on with you have a favorite one for his fair skin. There's so much stuff out there right now. What do I use for fair skin right now? There's a few different products. There's a code that pellet that I use that has, like a super coal toned product in it. And then there is Rhode isla- beauty rodeo beauty has this one contouring putter that I like sort of more sort of very, cool tone. No red or orange in it. You know this lots of different things out there. We're setting up an Amazon star for him. Get you linked up with. Okay. You touched on this question. It's the one you get asked all the time you're master and since my personal pet peeve, I'll use a really good concealed or like or mercy secret camouflage or it cosmetics under the arc light oppo. And then the same thing like it's transferring its much ING what am I doing wrong area? The was smudging under. It's all like my mascara will end up underneath here where it was like a cream conceal. Okay. So what I do actually is I good question, actually because another thing I do is, I don't put miscarrying until like the very end even after the settings, I wait till after the setting spray before I put Moscow on because it gets messy. And there, certain is that when you close it touches on the bottom, I just do my, my technique that I always teaches away that explain this technique to everyone. It's like the sandbag technique, which is someone called it that it's just the way that's what I used to use to explain it, but then someone kind of actually went on YouTube. And it's like this is the sandbag technique. Yes. Basically, like it's basically baking and put the concealed on you blend it really well. And then before it has time to crease you take a damn sponge in translucent loose setting powder, and you pack it sort of lightly there. Or if you're someone with a more mature skin, maybe you don't pack it. You just use a brush and apply some there and then that sort of sets it nicely. It doesn't allow anything wet to sort of go below that barrier because it's, you know, it's like if you have a flood coming towards your front door, you put the sandbags in the front door, and now the flood cannot enter the door. And so that's what that powder, and consider combos doing not letting anything wet go below it. Yeah. That's basically it just careful not to put too much if you're a woman of a certain age, and that's pretty much. Oh, an adult put miscarriage on until after that's done. Because if you put Meskher on win, do you have anything wet around the I just forget it. Okay. Thank you. And so you touched on this as well. We had a couple of questions about baking one person wanted to know how you manage to achieve that baking technique without the skin looking super powdery, while it's kind of like, what had just older, you have to sort of apply the conceal her. What consider us matters to because some of them are going to crease more than others? So it really depends on your skin type, I have lots of different counselors in the kit that I use, depending on the person's skin or under issues in, then you blend it really well, the key is you want to blend, everything really well, and do not allow it to crease. Don't put powdered on it, especially if it's creeping already because sometimes concealed increases right after you put it on so blend it really well, and then right before it has any chance to crease when you want to set it with powder, and then it should be good at that. So Georgia one of our listeners, she must've. Know how you get that nineties for Saatchi look like total, snatch skin jawline, everything lifted. Georgia. Do you have we don't have five hours a while? You come to the masterclass from you teach you all of that. But there's so much. There really is so much that goes into that. I mean it's not realistic for like a girl, or boy, whoever at home to achieve that look everyday unless you're like an artist because there's a lot that goes into that, that people don't realize it, you know, it's extremely detailed, there's a lot of technique and tricks and, you know, trickery that goes on there. So yeah, it's something that's very involved in. It takes me takes me quite a few hours to they can you get a lifted fact discern, make up, of course of -solutely. There's so many little, there's so many little techniques and tricks that combined as a whole makes a big difference. Yeah. Well now flipping the script a little bit Lucia asks, what's your advice for kind of lazy women for quick daytime look like maybe five minute face or something like that? Who's say if I was a woman, I would that would be me. I would be the laziest person ever, you know, what lash curler so underrated. I find that most people in my life, don't use them that just like my sisters or people that I know never use the lash color. But I really think it makes a huge difference, quick, five interface, depending on the skin issues, or I would say like tinted, moisturizer a little bit of LeBron's are really quickly just throw it over the face and last curler mascara lip balm. That's, that's all I would do. Last question before we get into disa- couple rapid fire someone one of our other listeners wants to know when is your YouTube channel coming, and when is your makeup line coming. Oh my well, I always said and felt strongly that, that I wanted to have twenty years of industry like hardcore industry experience as an artist before I took that next step, and that was that's always very important to me. Although I've had so many opportunities in the past, like eight years, or so, to come out with massive lines and do lots of things. It's important to me that I had twenty years of experience before I go into that step in half us with the math. We'll see. I think I'm on like my nineteenth year right now. I'm not sure okay. We'll see and YouTube. I'm really thinking about it. I'm really thinking about it, but I want to do it in a different way because I get bored with, like makeup tutorials. So for me teaching it's, it's so special in person. I really need to connect with the energy, and I really need to, to I could sort of feel them when they don't understand something because it's, it's an energy thing with me. And so it will be hard for me to teach online, because I know that I won't connect the way I can with people, I can't really get it through to them, like I can with the several hours with him in person. And so if I find a sort of interesting way that I can do it YouTube channel. I will definitely maybe do on sue. Okay. A little bit of rapid fire before you have to go. What do you think is the most bogus, beauty trend? So I mean, there were so we see so much beauty trends that it's like nothing shocks anymore. You know, I think personally think it's so fun. I mean, I honestly love when I see all these kind of crazy silly, beauty transmits this fun for me. I keep scrolling. I don't take anything so seriously. I would say like I've been noticing lately. The people have just like have, like, let go of the idea of just editing. Like they just it's like a colored glass of like glitter, and rhinestones, and like Neons on the is with islanders and massive lashes. And then the extremely heavy skin, and then the extremely heavy lips, and then the highlight texture, and then so that I mean it's interesting, you know, to watch it and see it, but I think that's sort of, like what was the question again? Media tongues litter. And I've been using the lately and surprising. My clients have been allowing me to, but, you know, I just think the I like the trends, and I think that they would be so beautiful, if there were sort of focusing on maybe just using some of them one at a time or, or maybe one or two together, but not all of them at the same time, you know, because then it starts to look circus in, you know, so, I think I teach the class to I, I sort of teach people how to edit and how to make things look more chic, and expensive, and you don't even because there is a really big difference in that. And so that, that would be my answer for that. What's one thing, every woman should toss. Former makeup bag from your experience. Oh my God. Speaking of adding thirty sponges, I've never it's insane. To me, how many every person my life, my sisters, my clients, everyone. When I opened their bag I am shocked at how dirty their brushes and sponges are. Yeah, that's me too, greasy. Just like I just washed them. I mean listen, actually when I have vents like today, we're have to get to graft. I have like a little makeup kit that I haven't like travel bag, myself is thirty two. I think they need to, like develop a new place to dry, the brushes or like figure it out is looks like why don't we? It's weird Uber for our frigging, beauty blend. Well, you know what's funny how cheapest tools for when I'm doing my own like tinted moisturizer on loose powder, and then, like some bronze, and conceal her. But I used like the way I do myself is so different from the way I do. Other people like I'm so detail in such a perfect with other people. But with myself, I literally use the cheapest stuff I use the dirt like my tools are just dirty and cheap. It's so weird. I don't know why I was thinking about that earlier today. What is your biggest guilty pleasure? Like if you have a day off, I am sure they're few and far between. What are you just like to do just be home? I'm very sensitive to energy. I absorb so much energy here on daily basis. You know, I work with big personalities linked to teach classes, and they do all these events. And so my favorite thing in the world to do. I'm so boring is literally just to be home alone with just alone by myself in my pajamas and just like read or watch documentaries. That's literally like my like I it literally makes my, my soul. Happy. What are you reading right now? I'm actually reading up becoming a Michelle Obama's super good. So good. And we while Joel was stalking you on Instagram. She noticed that mercury in retrograde kept kinda boning you what was the worst thing that happened. So it's not necessarily me so mercury retrograde. I was I found out from really from an astrologist who who lives in Los Angeles. Who did my chart about a two years ago, I was born during a retrograde like during the midst of a retrograde. So when retrograde happens, I get super sensitive, and I start noticing every wrong thing in my life where every wrong thing, that's like nothing wrong happens to me, because I don't allow it. That's how hypersensitive I am. I catch every single thing. It's like my agents and managers, and like business managers. They all like, oh my God. It's retrograde because he's noticing everything it's the people around me that sort of mess up, and I. And so, you know, it's not me it just become. I, I don't know actually like retrograde, but it's, it's the people around me my friends, my people that I work with that sort of have the issue Moore. And I have the issue with them because I'm so sensitive. I'm noticing everything. But that's what it is. You know, things like that. But, you know, when it is retrograde I do consult, like astrologers before I make any important decisions just to make sure that I'm doing the right thing. I'm super crazy about all that. You know, before I signed any contracts, retrograde dates or always have to be in my calendar. Because everyone else no one is retrograde you know, certain contracts. They don't sign certain things I don't do. Hi, it's reading Susan milliner on my way here in the over. That same I've met her. Once she was amazing. Okay. And last question the dream face you'd love to work on living, you're dead. But you haven't had the opportunity to yet. Oh, there's a few Marilyn Monroe out of sort of it's an obsession, but I used to even have dreams that like would be doing her makeup. You know it's weird. Kim is like my Marilyn Monroe Linda Evangelista when I discovered her in the nineties when I was young, I just remember her beauty sort of literally gives me like a physical feeling to where it's so inspiring her face. I'll look at footage from her of Hurley in the ninety nineties. I don't know what it is. It's beauty that I sort of can bring you to tears like, and so I've always wanted to do her. And then, you know, Michelle Obama, actually always wanted to do, even when she would even when she was the first lady, and I don't know this quite a few people that, well, thank you so much time. You awesome excited. We'll see you front row at your masterclass hopefully one day yet, come to Toronto him inviting. You. Thank you so much. Thanks for tuning in. Visit breaking beauty podcast dot com for details on all the damn good products. We talked about in today's episode and be sure to sign up for our newsletter that way, you'll get every episode delivered right to your inbox. 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Bonus Episode: Hairstylist Chris McMillan for Covid-19 Relief

Fat Mascara

41:15 min | 1 year ago

Bonus Episode: Hairstylist Chris McMillan for Covid-19 Relief

"Welcome everybody to fat Mascara. I am Jess. I'm Jan. We are very excited about this episode for a couple of reasons. One we have the most fabulous. Chris McMillan Celebrity hairstylist. We've been trying to get him for a while and he is on the show live. Well I mean it's not live when you're hearing this but we recorded with him in real time He was sitting on his couch out in. La It was really cool. Really Fun Chat But also this is a very special episode because we're dedicating it to the salon workers the cosmetologists everyone who is affected by Kovin. We are donating the proceeds from this From the audience sponsorships for this podcast to the Professional Beauty Associations Cova Nineteen Relief Fund. Yes so the other reason. We're dedicating it to you guys. I just want everybody to be aware of where our salon workers and people that we love in. This industry are right. Now there's about seven hundred seventy thousand people employed as barbers hairstyles and cosmetologists and get this. They earn on average just under twenty eight thousand dollars a year. A lot of these people are independent contractors. They work day to day. And that's a lot less than the average national salary here in the United States again. We know we have international listeners. But this is just talking about our. Us barbers and stylist. The average salary here is like fifty four thousand dollars and they're making a lot less than that and really the majority of these people are unable to work right now. So this Relief Fund. Tell us about jess their relief on donating to his run again by the professional beauty association or PBA. It's a trade for. Barbara's hair style salon workers and cosmetologists and it offers education advocacy and charitable outreach plus they also on trade shows and industry events so right now the PBS cove in Nineteen Relief Fund is providing grants at five hundred dollars to license media professionals who are unable to work due to the horrible virus. This includes cosmetologists. Hairstylists nail techs makeup artists massage therapist and more there so many people in the media industry who are affected by this. The funds are intended to be emergency aid for short term. Immediate needs such as food and bills so like we said all of our audio sponsorships will go to that fund. Now if you're someone who would like to benefit from that fund you can get a grant or maybe your stylus. Do you want to reach out to him or her? Because you're thinking about them. Let them know about this grant process. What they have to do is go to pro beauty dot org. That's P R O B A ut y Dot. Org backslash Kovic Hyphen Relief Hyphen Fund. Hyphen application I know. That's a really long url but just go to pro beauty dot org and you'll find a link there on the homepage. We'll also put these on fat Mascara Dot Com and so they just have to fill out a form and they can get access to emergency funds that maybe we'll help them. Keep things going and bills. Pay The rent until this passes so. That's what we're doing. We're really excited to put the show together for. You're really excited to talk to Chris. So let's get to the conversation so as we mentioned we are recording remotely with Chris. Mcmillan a stylist who has worked with the biggest celebrities in the world including Kim Kardashian Miley Cyrus Sarah Jessica Parker Jennifer Lopez and of course his longtime client and friend Jennifer Aniston. He's also the owner of the Chris McMillan Salon in Beverly Hills. And like many of you. He's just trying to manage his business care for his employees and keep it together so we wanted to have him come on and talk a little bit about that but also hang out kick back and gossip about hair so that we could use a little light in our lives a little fun conversation and that is exactly what we did. Welcome Chris McMillan. Wow the technology we're here with Chris. Mcmillan Chris Thank you for joining US remotely. How're you doing? Thank you for having me? I'm doing well today's up. Good Day right. That's you gotta check in day by day right one day at a time. They truly today's a good day so far so good. Okay just to give us a little bit background before we get into your career. Let's talk pandemic because what else can we talk about? How is it affecting you and your salon and those that work for you? What do you the Salon closed? I'm assuming this law is closed and I think I was the first or second salon. I was the first big salon in Los Angeles to close. It was somewhere like the it was march tenth or twelfth somewhere around there. It was a Wednesday. I've been kind of flip flopping because I work with Jennifer Aniston obviously and I've been working on the morning show with her and we went back to season two of the morning show and we worked on Monday and we worked on Tuesday and Tuesday. Everything kind of fell a little weird. I realized around the set. It started getting real. Yeah and I went to work on Wednesday at the salon because we weren't going to go back till Friday and so I went to the salon and it also felt weird that day and then while I was at the salon I got a email. That production has shut down. We will not be working on Friday and we will assess the situation and and let you know so and you like so. You are early to deciding to close. Yeah Salon closed as Lonzo Wednesday. I canceled my last two clients because once you get me personally once I get something in my brain. I'm a HYPOCHONDRIAC so I I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I cancelled by last two clients and Wednesday. I decided to close the salon down. Yeah how are your stylists like handling it and the people that clean your salon and all your workers. What's going on with them? So as far as the Stylus. They're all independent contractors and I speak with all of them. I call five of them every day and I got to say I do. Nancy Meyers hair the director. Yeah and she was already seven days in quarantine by Wednesday and by Friday she. She kept telling me she's like Chris. You GotTa get out of there Chris. You need lockdown Chris. You need to shut she goes. You're a leader in the hair community. You need to set an example and I got it really give. Nancy Meyers a lot of credit for the move that I made by Friday shutting my salon down. I let people stay in their Saturday in finish out there week but I was not there so yes. Everyone is the beauty industry not only as my salon affected and all the hairdressers are pretty much a paycheck to paycheck. Kind of business. You know. They're independent contractors. So they're not employees. The only employees that I have are my salon manager my front desk girls and my cleaning crew other than that everyone else is independent contractors so thankfully as a salon owner the circle that I have to worry about is my salon manager is the cleaning crew and the front desk girl which I still have the front desk girls working. And you're checking in with everybody. Who's the contractors? So yeah that's good advice and I'm checking in with like all my independent contractors. I've I've been there twenty years so I have a really great relationship with my landlord. That's yeah so he knows I've never missed a payment and I've done nothing but make that building more beautiful and and so he's great. He's fine and he's that I'm here. Whatever you need just you know. We'll figure out the payments when we come back. You don't have to pay me until you guys get back up and running so it's Great. I'm you know I think there's been a lot of love out there and a lot of people willing to help right. I think I think people are really connecting to a human interaction rather than governmental or financials or banks and stuff like that Were trust to each other's humans right now. We're not trusting. I'm not watching the news. You know what I mean. Yeah it's scary because they don't know what's going on. Yeah if something happens. I'm GONNA find out. We're not in a bubble right. News is traveling through humans communicating. Like this right now on a computer and I think we're getting really good information like this in a grid the Brady bunch were the Brady Bunch. Were Chatting Brady Bunch style these days? It's so crazy that like we're having this conversation. I'm looking at you in upper right corner. Jeter my upper left to their producers You know you are looking at. You've you've got like you're a little headphones on in your house. But you are. You're a businessman your salon owner. But you're also you know it's ten so corny saying this celebrity hairstylist. I feel like I'm reading. You Know People magazine boldface Celebrity Hairstyles hairstylists to the stars Chris. Mcmillan you are the rare hairstylist. Who is a hybrid of all of these things I mean how did you plan to become like a salon owner? Did you plan to do celebrities hair like did you? What was your end goal? My plan was to do five people's hair a day and charge them hundred dollars each so I would make five hundred dollars a week. I would make two thousand dollars a month and so then I would rent an apartment for a thousand to twelve hundred dollars a month. I would get a car that I think I was looking at like Volkswagen's or something that was like two fifty a month so that's how I thought about it that way. I was able to do what I do like. I always kept that SORTA That's how my brain I'm a real believe it or not. I'm a real simple thing. And it just snowballed from there of that happen. You don't charge your hundred bucks for haircut anymore you know. I was given opportunities to prove myself and I've always taken advantage of those opportunities. I truly from the bottom of my heart was meant to do hair. I really was. Who's hair have you been doing that like the longest like who is the first person that got this one hundred dollar haircut my mall okay? My mom always had bleached blond hair. Fair Faucet like my mom always had kool hair always. That was her thing. Gio is a great hair. She loved her hair stylist. Nick she always had great hair. She was pregnant with me. And that's the first hair salon. I went that I worked at was Nicole's in Manhattan beach on Tenth Manhattan Avenue when I graduated high school like the day the next day. I worked there because I had my licence. Oh wow you were like in it to win it yeah I. My mom was like you doing here. I'm like but they're gay and she's like yeah. You're my gay son. I've known since you were too. It's okay you'll be fine while okay that you told me I remember you said. You have some client. I want to say her name is barb. Bonnie Greider Oh Bonnie Bonnie Bonnie writer lives. It's so funny. Her daughter texted me yesterday. As I as everything. Okay I was like. How's your mom and is a body? Greider is a third grade teacher in San Pedro and she has a standing appointment with me since eighteen years old. Every my gosh. She gets her haircut and I still charge her. I basically doer for free. I talked to her sixty sixty five dollars for a haircut and she tip speed thirty five. Oh my God and she comes here salon she could come to my salon and even Gen does like Shaquille. Can you come to my house on Friday at four to blow dry my hair? I'm Bonnie Jennifer Aniston knows about Bonnie generators and knows about bunnies is aggregate. Do Bonnie and then come over this camp. Would I got mega celebrity? Jennifer come to your salon just like a regular person. You always go to her all the time. She loves it so like she might. She might be behind. Bonnie like waiting to check out no she took check. I set my soul on as an old nineteen thirties bungalow house. So it's very private anyway. So it's very easy and comfortable for people like Jennifer to come and get their hair done and I am kind to like in the center so she knows everybody that works with me. Everybody knows I do her hair. So it's not like nobody's bothering her and everyone does that. I'll kill them if they do that. Like all ends. I got a sharpie asking for an autograph. Nobody is the you know every now and then you'll see like someone walked by like. Oh I'm just checking my messages in l. But I'll I'll check them. I'll be like excuse me and they're like sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry the phone away. Have you really done that have you? Have you really checked somewhat? Of course that's how he stays in the bids right this long. I have to think though Bonnie's been around since you were eighteen age. You okay there. You go do some math people. But that means you've seen her through a lot of trends and styles your other clients regret any of the like styles or cuts you've given anyone in the past not really. I've always gravitated. I think I think I have. I'm not like trying to prove myself and do something crazy and be the most creative. I really truly do want people to look the best that they can look but I also do love change like Linda Evangelista when she had long hair and she went short la that change. She looked just as good. You know and I watched you know Madonna Gino and her changes in and people like that like I always been influenced by change. I remember ruined. My mom had long. You know she had like Pamela Anderson Farah Fawcett hair and she came. Back with highlighted. Low Lighted Cheryl teague hair And then and then from that she you know like in the eighties. She cut her hair short and it was sort of like the Lori L. Freehold Moose campaign like my mom came back as Rachel Ward. You're no character and so I've seen really beautiful changes like. That's the kind of change as I like to see. I'm not trying to like be dramatic in and prove myself through hair but I like to change people's hair like my own that has like feathered hair. And then you give them a Bob that was you know a really Nice Change. You just mentioned yes. You're you're not really working in the salon but you're you had been working on the morning. Show the hairs like good but not great. I'm not being rude. I'm saying it looks like a real news anchor. Yeah well that's what was then purposeful. We did that as we you know. We wanted her to be wanted. Alex Levy to be relatable. Almost you know I mean. It's a moment if you the Steve Corrales character can't even think of his day. Right that's lug it's just got fired and she's unraveling yes is stressed and Jews touching her hair a lot and it's all do for her. Okay what would be an Alex's shower? Do you think what a woman like that. What would be in Alex's show? Would it be drunk elephants new hairline? Of course it would be because okay. I probably because tiffany masters and Chris mcmalan sunset tour and I love it. I love her to try. Okay we have. We have to talk about this line though. You've collaborated with drunk Elfin. Is this the first hairline that you've ever worked on? No I actually worked with JEN. Jen worked on here. We keep talking Jan Jan Jan. We did living proof together. Oh right living proof of eight did not have your name. Though they did not have my name. It was a product that was came to us and then we do know worked with them and that was a really nice steppingstone to get too drunk elephant. Because I did learn a lot about science about ingredients and about a philosophy behind a haircare allied and when drunk Elephant Tiffany masterson. Obviously is a family friend. Since we've been children since we've kids at a smaller so it's it was kind of an organic collaboration. It wasn't a force collaboration. It was more like family friends. She when she came out with her with the bar. The skin bar the first product immediate. Lisa gave it to me because I've always cut her hair and so I've always been kind of a Guinea pig. Anyways she tests on humans not animals and I was more than happy to be a human tester. And so I. I know I'm very familiar with the drunk elephant product. Skincare line so it was a no brainer in about three four years ago we were at a birthday party together. Islas we're like what about drunk. Elevate for hair Jews like yeah what about it so it just? Kinda was an organic natural progression for us to sort of do this together. You know I I was able to use my guinea pigs have a hair salon that that Immediately the testers would come to the salon and I would immediately shampoo my clients with it so it was really an easy way to start working on the product. So what should we know? We want to try them. Like these are not just standard products. Are there any insider tips for using them of insider tips for using like first of all like the the the Scout? Scrub is amazing. So I don't if you're you're familiar with the with the baby facial. Yeah yes so. The drunk elephant baby facials is the baby facial for the face. That's like the drunk elephant okay. The exfoliating product is the same thing for your scalp so the philosophy basic. And that's what I love about drunk elephant it is. There's a philosophy. There's a point of view behind it and a healthy scalp healthy hair and I think healthy hair is very useful. And I don't mean to tie it in but it couldn't be more perfect for where we're at at this very moment in history for to feel healthy and to take care of ourselves. I mean not only do we wanna like be healthy because this corona virus is wants to knock us all down so if we do get it we want to be healthy so we can fight it off and we wanna stay healthy. And meanwhile while we're trapped in our houses we might as well take care of our hair and our skin and our bodies and you know like it was really fun to go the grocery store and buy everything in sight kraft macaroni and cheese. And make now okay. I tasted everything. This is not the kraft Mac and cheese of hair products. But now like I haven't had grabbed macaroni and cheese and forever but of course I bought it. Because I'm going we're going to be stuck in the collapse. You're like I'm going to go down Mac and cheese. Yeah Yeah it's like okay. We're good I've done. That was that was fine. I don't need that and it wasn't as good as I remember going back to McDonald's recipe. They changed the recipe. I'm convinced I see that. So what what I love about. The drug elephant product is is. It's a real simple easy line to US SO HEALTHY SCALP. You can exfoliating. It feels really good than the shampoo. The COCONINO glossing Chiampou. Which is it's like a creamy louder rather than Tho- me I didn't need barely any I was like. Yeah you need. I've long hair and it only took like time. Not even it's there's no parabens there's no sulfates. All the ingredients are very thoughtful. We didn't rush. I mean we've been working on this for three years. It's not like we rushed to get it out and hurried it up. Yeah we you know. The launch wasn't even supposed to be until the first of April. We did it like a week before. That's the only thing we rushed. Was We have nothing better to do less lots of now? I might as well. Now when I think of hair products hair product launches on my there. Better be a good one in there because I have undermined staying about like twenty like half used not even half us like three-quarters hair products have dust on them because with hair products. I feel like they're hard to us. Just as a category you must have clients who are like I try that. But it didn't work for me like unlike any other products it can be confusing also your life. It is you start buying products and you're like which one which one do I buy? My Hair's thicker wavy wet or dry. Like for some reason hair products are hard yet they will. They can be well we did. We have one shampoo one condition and therefore everybody therefore thick fine. You know curly. Dry Grey colored. You know it's thoughtful product. It's a real simple line a product and it's not expensive. It's not like you know it's it's you're getting a luxurious product at a decent price. Your and you will use it all. Is there any mistake though that you notice what their clients like people are using Moose incorrectly or too much leaving conditioner? What are those mistakes over and over again? Well I see that people. Misuse CA only hair so flat. I use the conditioner made my hair. That flattened my hair down. I was like did you put it on your scalp. Put it everywhere. It was like shampoo. Your scalp condition your ends shampoo your scalp conditioner end. So your scalp is the dirty as part. That's like you know you're Sabine Glands and your your oils they come out through your scalp which you WanNa do. Is You want to like especially people that have really greasy hair. This is got a nice balance and it's it will not dry out your scalp and it's not going to weigh down. You'RE NOT GONNA make it to oily. It's telling you it's so thought out. What about with styling products? Like what are the common mistakes people make with those well Shampoo Conditioner? Shampoo your scout for like exfoliating. So you want you wanNA good healthy head of air to start with and then and then what I do find out with. Styling products are people will want us too much and they'll over the the like. Oh my God this moves. And they'll tons of it in their hair and then all of a sudden you're like I hear so dirty now or serum. They you know they. They won't really know how put serum in the like like coinc- the hair and all of a sudden they've got this whole greasy rely. He just raked it through his like Bang area. That's not a good serum usage. So you always WanNa like when you're using Sarah which we like to use the we don't have a serum yet but we will. We're going to have a whole life for you guys trust me. There's everything's in the works. We started out with a really simple line. Us You know put serums in the ends of the hair your ends or the oldest hearty. You gotTA remember from here to here is two years old from your from your by Your Chin. Yeah jet from your jaw down. Yeah your hair grows about a half an inch of months so six months worth of like one years where the grossest six inches. Wow if we're in this pandemic longer that's gonNA cost some issues. I'm sorry that's a lot of hair. That's a lot of hair. There's a Lotta longhaired but you can watch me on. Instagram goes on to teach some haircut tips on how to play. There's a good movie question. Cut your hair. Are we allowed? Of course I really want to cut my own hair. Because you're taking the thing. I'm still stuck on that six. Would you say like to from Chin Down Month? Your hair grow so anything from your down is like from two years ago. Okay like the. I've read this theory that the the old hair harnesses the old energy. I know that sounds woo but it really has old. Gee I am so movie I have the most Movie Guy. You need to cut that energy off. It's just not doing you any good. This get seven years literally. Just start by cutting like an inch off the bottom split down the middle. Pull it forward and just kind of like. Do you have scissors at your house? I mean the scissors that like people use to cut me. Utility says ours to cut me. Wouldn't meet says there's jets don't even eat meat. She's use them to open boxes that Pena's for some sorry like say that is that bad to say but I like my penis out. Circumcision Scissors Lupo no. They're like these blue plastic scissors but they're really dangerous kitchen share. The kitchen cheers says ours. Everybody yeah but yet you could pull it forward. Are you quarantining alone alone alone? Now with my husband and baby okay. So they can help you. You can pull it to the front and you can cut the front like an inch doing inch. By inch of bad energy get an incubator polio. Feel later and then than combet down the back and then have your husband played dot to dot from one end to the next in kind of a horse shoe style. You don't need to go straight across. Just kind of be just kind of his doing a rocking motion. Why they pay you the big bucks. This is already like you've lost me. Like when he was like so elegantly like a horseshoe style. I'm like all I see is me even get out like when you need to like even something out. We just make it shorter and shorter than you sit. Ups You like me to eat but shorter and shorter yes. That's why start. Don't we don't need big changes just doing inch okay? Okay Okay and if we if we will be seeing our hairstylists and colors for a couple of months at least is there anything we should not be right now which will screw them up when we get to see them again. Just using meet scissors term the end. I mean listen. You can order on Amazon thinning shears. Okay that's actually a nice softer way to to cut your hair because your it's the first wack isn't whacking it all off It's it's kind of like okay. So and then you're you didn't commit yourself and then you can see like each thinning shears. Db STEPS OF SCISSORS YVES. Yeah it's the baby steps wizards each passing is like. Oh my God. Oh my God and then of course you're going to be addicted you're GONNA be like honey come in today. The baby the baby's you will get into it so let's talk about some of your favorite products that are you're using right now. What is comforting you? What is your skin care routine right now. I know you're fit so funny because I got so drunk elephant products and we kinda launched them so I got them and the SCALP SCRUB The exfoliating. I'm using as a body. Scroll La La Oh wow. That's very indulgent. So I've been having a lot of. I have a ton of old samples of it so I've been really liked taking care of my skin because because I can. I've been exfoliating my skin and I've been you know exercising a lot. I do like I do this. Exercise at Fifty. Forty thirty twenty ten so I do fifty lunges. Oh my God. I do fifty push-ups I do fifty air squats and I do fifty sit-ups that's some cross fit shit right there it's very cross oriented forty than I do forty of the same than thirty of the same than twentieth. Burning a nice candle when you do this like a nice comforting home candle. What do you mean what is that? Oh it's Santhal tile conducted one that's in this room. It's like savoring it because they're closing. I'm not spending money. That's one thing I'm not doing right now. I'm not really spending my money on like I did. Buy some some masks and things like that. And I've spending my money on helping small businesses around the community NYC definitely doing that like restaurants and things like that. So I've been using the body wash and the the body lotion by drunk elephant. I mean it like it's Gone I love it and I'm not really good. I use I found when I was spring cleaning like you were saying underneath your sink like I have so many things while ice spring cleaned and I had a ton of half bottle products of a lot of things but I felt box of medical grade bass lead in these little packages. And I've been using that on around my eyes. We've heard that I did notice that you look very like maybe it's just a reflection of the light in your glasses or something but your eyes look good like you do look really. Nice but Dr. I think we're all getting a little rest and I think I'm like instead of waking up at five fifteen I wake up at six twenty seven. Oh Wow you're really sleeping in. Yeah like six thirty so yeah so I think like my eyes. I've noticed. Have I have really sensitive eyes? So I can't wear ice creams. They get in my eyes and burn so I've been using. That's a weird thing I've been approved. We've heard that from your how we interview. Vaseline works sure does it use. I found this box of vassal. Lean packets and I've been putting out on my face and it's been really great and getting an early bed too I feel like it's like I don't know I just feel like you're you're lifestyles vary like regimented right now. It's like wake up early. The fifty forty whatever forty three twenty ten ends up being one hundred sixty cheese. Oh my God I know. Sometimes I'll do forty thirty two thousand ten just to do one hundred. Thirteen routine is important for me from it as I am a sober alchoholic so I'm really good with routine. You have to stick to the habits that work for you you know. And congratulations by the yeah. October fourteenth nineteen ninety nine evasion possession. Hit and run. We can talk about that another time. We will but we congratulate you on. Yeah variety good okay. So we're routine is important so before we let you go. We do this with all of our guests at the end of our interviews. We have a little speed round. Are you up for it? A little speed round of questions. He's ready I love it okay. Five questions that we always ask. Yes I up was the first beauty product that you fell in love with of the first beat at Paul. Mitchell sculpting foam who the foam. I don't think I know the phone. Okay I'll do he but the folks. I can leave in conditioner. But in boost for meals like the beach and it just makes your hair amazing and it's from the eighties and I used to scratch girls hair with it upside down with the disease everybody looked like Madonna diffused course today still may get absolutely the Paul Mitchell sculpting and don't think we're going to try and copy it John Address mcmellon. We're going to copy that jed hit next one. What's your favorite ice cream flavor? My favorite ice cream flavor is From rite aid. And it is. I know it's It's a malt flavored with little dried marshmallows. In it K- he's a high low kind of guy. I didn't even know rite aid meat ice cream. Yeah thrifty malted crimes. We have heard that from other gas. Thrifty is a lot of people talk about that. A west coast thing malted crunch is where French. That's so funny. Why can't say of try? That vault flavored ice cream with with a little like dried marshmallows. Add add chocolate chips in it saves day. It's chocolate malted crunches when it's called wets the song that pumps you up the song that pumps me up is. What's your jam was my right now. Is I'm so embarrassed to say this. It's nails hair hips heels by Toddrick Hall. Yes that is good pump up song. It's just I've I kind of just discovered it recently because I've I'm a late bloomer on route walls drag race and I started watching it at season nine and I worked my way down to see them one an hour on season thirteen or twelve. And but this like nails hair hits. He'll go it's good. It's a beauty song. I know this Song Jess I will play it for you. I think I already love it. It's it's crazy the videos amazing and it's funny. I don't know but that at this moment is been really fun like energy. We all need right now. Okay so what do you do to relax? I know you're relaxed right now. But usually what you're like unwinding activity net flicks. It has been and right now. I'm watching I forget what it's called but it is. I get into a series. And it's about those two lab chemist girls that worked for the government who all the like when you get arrested for in there in Massachusetts wants an amherst once in Boston and they of with the name but Netflix keeps trying to get me to watch it. Comes up every time documentary. It's so good well being sober alcoholic so like I got arrested when I went to buy crack. Where did buy crack? Go because someone it to this lab this lab and it like that and then where do they do they stockpile drugs and now? Now there's a net lake show and now I know we're all watch the show to these girls girls haven't saw from route and I forget the other girl's name if you're in the Boston area so okay now it's very underfunded and nobody really cares and now like they're making money. Where is all those drugs go because they got busted? I think before I go to sleep tonight. Giggling myself. Where did I crack go? That's funniest thing I've heard. All Day did officer and officer hailed. Keep it or like. Where does it go like now? How memory I know I know my arresting officer's name officer Hale officer piracy can officer Helen Officer Hale was a girl and with. I was in the back seat of her car. So what do you do for work all is I need like reality sets it on like I do like what should I do with my hair is. You're getting arrest. Vote my arresting officer. I gave a consultation to in the backseat of the police car. He no yeah I actually I chatter. I talk with people like my checkout girl. I talked to her about her hair. Did you get to give you any leniency? Or do they like right. You like a good recco to the judge like he was very compliant and like a nice guy and go easy. No they didn't do that but but the judge ended up. While I was on probation the job I was so diligent and so good and always look nice and showed up on time and and he was like. You're just too good at this. These were dropping. We're erasing your record. It's like it never happened. You're you are a stand up student. I was like the judges teacher. Pet pro- probation was nice. He second chances are worthwhile. Some people take advantage of absolutely so our last question before we let you go at the end of every show we raise. Raise the Wanda Mascaro on to something. That we love right now could be anything could be a product. A person show. What do you want to raise wand to to the drunk elephant glossing sambu seriously? I'm telling you it's a sliver of help while you're in quarantine a- and you that would be my rupaul drag days. Yes hammed Emma or corn. Tina if I was a contestant on repulse drag race love it Yes yes yes is on tonight. It's the glossing shampoo because I'm telling you I read a girl on instagram. And she said in this. I haven't shampooed my hair in a month. I'm depressed I'm this. I shampooed my hair with this. It was she said she was. It was a creamy lathered. Not a Foamy said Z. And she was just she goes my hair smell. Good if felt good to do something like this. For myself she goes. Even my frizzy hair came out as waves again at brought me back alive. I know this sounds crazy but inspired me to re open up the book to my new hair routine okay. I mean I'll take. That was an endorsement. But you know what it really is. It was it. Was something really nice to read in a time? Where like you know people like? Where are we going with the beauty industry? I'm really excited to you. Know have my ears and my eyes open to whatever this industry goes to. I think it's GonNa be a new you know. I'm like oh I've always wanted to wear my hair like that but I've never. I could never do that. It looks great on you but I could never wear streak down the middle of my head. I think people are GONNA buy. I can wear a grey streak down the middle of my head or I can hear like Michelle Williams or I could cut bangs or I can you know. I think that we're GONNA come back a little more open minded and a little more grateful for the things that we took for granted percent does simple things in life. The simple things in life. Thank you so much KRESA super great. Thank you crabby time. Thanks for listening. Our show is produced by media. Be Sure to follow us on instagram. At fatness Garra go to FAT MASCARA DOT COM linked to our private facebook group and hit us up. If you have a beauty question you can send it to us at Info at FAT MASCARA DOT COM. We'd love if you send us a voice memo. 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