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Lisa Burkhardt Worley: Father to the Fatherless

By His Grace

27:48 min | 1 year ago

Lisa Burkhardt Worley: Father to the Fatherless

"I welcome to another episode us out of by his grace podcast. Today i am with my new friend. Lisa burkhardt wurley lisa welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much misty. I'm really looking forward to spend some time with you thank you we are going to talk about you growing up without a father but before a war we talk about that i when i met you. Recently i found out that you were a sports newscast. The chris i was people have put the label pioneer on a and with i i was kind of offended by it i but now i'm saying it myself but i was one of the first in the country. <hes> i love sports. I always enjoyed sports. I played college basketball at a small college level and i was really looking for a career is kinda. Lost lost in a guy named verne lundquist came to my school to speak to our sports breakfast and and i i cannot even tell you what burns said. I just knew at that moment that i was going tend to be a sportscaster. I went on to have a nineteen year career on national television and on a local television. I was in san antonio texas for about twelve years. That's that's wonderful and i think you might have mentioned something like something happened to you. During that time that <hes> jackie talking about that olympic brought brought me back well i am i was christian <hes> when i went into that field but i wasn't really a follower you know i think there's a difference between <hes> accepting jesus eases christ as savior but <hes> lordship is a whole different ballgame so i'd gone off into my career and was doing pretty well and i was on national television and working in new york city which is the top market in the entire country <hes> but <hes> in one week's time i lost both of those jobs i went went from six figures to zero overnight and and i was devastated. I don't know of anyone listening right now has ever lost jobs. I'm but you know it really does a number number on your identity because if your identity has caught up in your career you feel a little bit hopeless and you're not even sure i wasn't sure that i'd work again in my field but <hes> i went back to that stability that i knew from back in high school when somebody led me to christ and took me to church god and so i i went to a <hes> a church for the first time in a while and i began <hes> participating in a bible study with a women's bible study for it was actually for moms i had a small child and and so i began studying the book of john of all things the love gospel and i always think that god reached out to me and pulled me back into his old <hes> through the law gospel because he loved me so much and so and so i started studying the word of god and it was during that time where i finally got connected again that he told me why he had to let me <hes> all like that and lose my job because i was really angry about it and i was upset and i blamed him him and he said because <hes> i gave you this national platform to glorify me and you didn't do it. I had to take it away from you to get your attention. Wow that was at that moment misty. I was so repentant <hes> i. I really dropped to my knees. I was crying and i said if you give me another opportunity as a sportscaster not only will. I give you my career. I'll give you my life so that day. I literally surrendered the control of my life to god and so a week later of all things i mean. He heard me because a week later. I got a call from my agent asking if i wanted to do some freelance reporting for e._s._p._n. Which was a career goal of mine amazing. You know i think you hit the nail right on the head. You know god will strip us away from everything <hes> until our identity is in him for me it took him at took me breaking both of my arms james and being unable to do anything for an entire year in a house full of boys to just fit into into have my father's thing over me and to tell me how loved labdai was <hes> and that's something that we're going to touch on in <hes> today's episode you grew up not ever knowing your father so would you share that story with the audience here. My father was a doctor a general practitioner doctor and he had grown up in chicago. <hes> the jewish and <hes> ended up in san antonio texas by way of the air force. He likes san antonio so much that he stayed there and and he ended up meeting my mother or my mother yes. He ended up meeting my mother on a on a blind date and my mom said she didn't really like him. At first she thought he was a sissy because he had a sequence high on they get along really well and got married and she became pregnant with me now. My dad also was a competitive polo player. That's what he did for recreation recreation on the weekends so every sunday afternoon my mom would go watch him play polo and mike <hes> half sister he was married before my half sister was there and as were some of my family family members <hes> other family members and <hes> they did that every sunday afternoon but then once sunday afternoon something horribly wrong my dad clutched his chest asti he fell off his polo pony and and they discovered later that he had suffered a massive heart attack. My mother jumped into the ambulance and and my half sister. She says she was left there alone and she said she it took many many years of counseling to overcome the events of that day and she didn't want to have a relationship with me <hes> because she didn't want share about that so long story short he died before he got to the hospital. At the age of thirty nine and my good months later i was born and so i was born into this fobus world. My mother never recovered from that sudden death. She was an a ties on prescription description match at several different <hes> anti depressants that she was on which was like a molotov cocktail. I believe in because later on they they discovered that some of those drugs caused brain damage and i believe that happened to her and and she would smoke she was a chain smoker and and she drank and and so <hes> and she did give up the drinking later on but it was a very hard life for a little girl growing up i was off and on with my grandparents because she would have trouble and she couldn't maintain the household and and so but she was really emotionally ocean absent so she became my greatest fear misdee- i feared being anything like my mother <hes> i. I didn't sit around all day. I think that's why i'm an overachiever to this this day. <hes> as i have to be busy but i just didn't want to be anything like my mom and that sounds terrible but it was a very difficult life i just felt unloved and lonely growing up and and so <hes> as i told you i lost both those jobs <hes> up been a new york when i was in new york city and i went to work for e._s._p._n. So this was a pivotal moment for me because <hes> because because i had this opportunity to go back to san antonio where i was from and where my mother lived and i the old lisa would have never done that not only at least have not gone backwards in her career <hes> but this new rededicated lisa to cry decided to pray about this job opportunity. Should i go back home to san antonio. Should i stay with e._s._p._n. And what came to may was if they offered me a sportscenter anchoring job that i would stay at e._s._p._n. But if they didn't it would be my signed to go back to san antonio and sure enough misty they did not <hes> offer me a sportscenter anchoring job. They offered me a fulltime reporting job now. I say i was probably the first person to turn down e._s._p._n. For a fulltime reporting job that i felt like i was supposed to go home and and what it was all about was my mother. It wasn't a bad. I did a lot of cool things that year. When i went back to sports at my hometown of san antonio i covered the cowboys all way to the super bowl. I went the winter olympics in lillehammer. The spurs were in the playoffs. I did a lot of a great fun things that was really about honoring my mother for the first time in my life by that time she was in a group home. She couldn't maintain her life on a by herself. She had to have somebody regulator <unk> medications and and so she was there and in so honoring her it went meant going to see her on a regular basis and providing money for her and i'm still doing bible study and i was in a study of the book of romans and it was through that got study that i realized how much i had been forgiven of <hes> yeah i i. I had done a lot of <hes> bad things in college. I was very promiscuous. Skuas fatherless girls are always trying to find the love of their father and so i was doing that i thought boys would satisfy that that need that i had that hole in my heart and what i found out later that only god can satisfy that need and so i was doing some things i shouldn't have done and i was a wild partier hardier for a while and <hes> and i realized that god forgave me for all that out of his love and out of his grace and who was i not to forgive my own mother other so i forgave her and that was the beginning of a restoration that was needed and i began to love her unconditionally. I started to think what if i had been at the polo fields that day what if it had been me and my husband collapsed and died in front of my eyes. How would i have reacted. I can't even imagine and i don't know how traumatizing that that could be on a person and so i began to have a heart for her in sea routes through god's eyes rather than my own worldly only on is and so it wasn't until misdee- i forgave my mother that i could be used in any capacity in ministry street. It was after that when she died. <hes> god began to call me into a place to help other women like her to help women overcome those past past wounds and and to give women tools when they're going through some kind of dysfunction. There's so many women today misty that that <hes> can't can't seem to escape their past. I remember speaking at a conference in san antonio and and woman she's probably close to sixty sixty came up to me and she just began to to boo hoo because her her father was a sexual abuser and he used her sexually and you went to prison for and when he got out she tried to have a relationship with she had forgiven him sure enough. He did it again and she was just just heaving because this was in. It's horrible and i'm not saying saying you. You have to always see these people. If they're an abuser you don't need to do that. You should have healthy boundaries but for your own self you've got to forgive them and here's the other thing i know i'm going on and on but we're talking about fatherless-ness one of the things and somebody may be listening who was fatherless or had a bad father and one of the things that i had to due even though my father was dead and i never knew him was to forgive my father for dying. That was a very important step. If i went through this thing called a father ladder and they asked me if i'd forgive him my mother and said yes yes. I forget my mother. I was just really peaceful about that but then they said. Have you forgiven when your dad for dying i'd never met. How could he help what happened. How could he help that. He died he. He didn't cause his heart attack but then i realized i had held a deep somewhat of a bitterness against him for dying because it just it changed my life. I didn't have any any kind of you know. We were in a very nice area of town. I did not have the things the other kids had. It not have a luxurious life. I was rejected a lotta kids because we were so poor. I mean there are a lot of things that happen because my dad died and i i realized i resented him for that so i had to forgive him for dine. While we share a lot of similarities in our story my father <hes> i grew up with my father in the in the home but my my brother died when i was twelve and that destroyed my mother who probably had some undiagnosed mental l. mess and she became very bitter and very angry and my father laughed and worked away from home he took sales those jobs where he never had to be home because i think he understood the principle that it's better to live on the corner of your rooftop than with a contentious woman <hes> <hes> because my mom was so bitter in so angry and if we don't deal with that bitterness that's what happens but as a result of of my father always being in gone i kinda grew up without my dad being there and so experience as you know some of the same things that you did but aren't you so grateful soul that we have a loving father who loves us more than we can even comprehend yet an engine that you you wrote a book about that yeah so your book is the only father i ever knew. That's right yeah so tell me about that. Well aw i started this book a long time ago and i had some other books jump in front of it and i don't. I couldn't understand why i couldn't get it finished but what i realizes that i had to go through more life experiences with my father in heaven i used to have this this wrong image of god his father because it didn't have a father in my life and maybe the you had this image to misdee- i thought of him as his distant god you know high in loftiness thrown you know issuing judgment when he needed to and i i just didn't think of him as eight auburn daddy like a father who wanted to be close to me and so i think god note knew that i needed to change my image of him before i could in writing this book but i what i did in this book is i wanted people to understand the attributes of god that our father like an eye and i as we wrote this book together he had me look back on my life and show me some of the places that he was during my own life i i realized he pursued me in high school through my friend in he introduced himself to me at that point but there was a story that came up recently that the i realized he was there even when i didn't know him when i was a little girl because i was listening to someone a conference and she said she had his imaginary front front. I thought well i had an imaginary friend to. When i was a little girl used to talk to my imaginary friend and she gets she gave the imaginary friend and name and and later on in her alive god showed her that are jesus showed her that he was that imaginary friend and i thought to myself. Could it be that jesus access was there with me when i was a little girl playing behind the garage lonely without really a lot of support from my mother. Could it be either. That was jesus who i was speaking to. I thought it was was not out of the realm of imagination but i also talk about god's discipline in my book i he disciplined me several times. When i tried to kind of go off the path i e he prevented me from doing some things. Perhaps that i would continue continue to do like breaking the law. I climbed. I went over a swimming pool wall when it was after hours trespassing and the police were sticking it out that night. Can you believe in rotten luck but then later on. I realized that it was god. You said oh no here. She goes again. I've got to stop this and i just i just talked about his forgiveness and his <hes> protection over our lives. I've had a lot of near death experiences in my life and and i i went down and a hell of a news helicopter after once you know we had to auto rotate and and i've been hit by a car and so but i lived through all that and and he showed me you know what i took the brunt of that impact impact for you and so just as voice and how to hear his voice and it's not just it's not about my story. Only i included sixteen other stories from fatherless people throughout the book we inner we've my story and their story and and i have a seminary degree so right. I also included scriptural proof of god. His father and some of the promises of god is father throughout the book and so i really feel like it's a it's a good book for anyone who has struggled with father wounds. I did an accompanying. A bible study called knowing the father <hes> we're going. We're working on the videos right now but it's out and i go through the stages that i thank god as father does in our lives and i he pursues us us then we repent any forgives us then he teaches us <hes>. I was teaching sunday school for about ten years. I tell everybody i was in the school zone for a while. While you know learn along with these children and then he he started the healing process he began to heal me of those wounds from the past and and then it then after i was healed began to build me up so that he could use me as a teacher in his kingdom and as an encourage her in his kingdom and then i began to see the love that he had for me and that he has for everyone. I would like to thank his only daughter but i'm not your his in anyone. Listening to this broadcast is their his daughter. He loves everyone equally and unconditionally and he desires hires to know us and for us to know him the most exciting time every day for me is the morning time where i just sit there in his presence and i praise him and i read his word and i pray that is i just when i don't have a good long quiet time. I feel like my day doesn't go as well because i am. I am right there with you. In one of the verses that i've been meditating on recently is nothing nothing nothing can separate us from the love of god and i think that once that gets deep down with n._s. And we understand that whether we're good or bad or were following him or not following nothing separates us from his his love for us because he has that great of a love for us that he was willing to take it all the way to death <hes> just so that we could have eternal journal life so yes. The bible talks about that he knows when a sparrow falls to the ground did some research on sparrows there thousands thousands of species of sparrows. I mean they're probably millions of sparrows in the world millions upon millions in knows when one falls to to the ground and he's so he knows when we're troubled and when we fall to the ground when we're in pain and when we're broken hearted he knows when we fall to the the ground and that's why he provides people along the way that will reach out to us. That's why he wants to speak to us. <hes> intimately through his word i i just feel like so many times when he he seen my heartache about something we still have problems even though we were connected him we still have is where humans we have problems. We're gonna in a fallen world but but he he just he works it all together for doesn't it. That's the promise in romans eight twenty eight. All all things work together for good for those who i love the lord and are called according to that's right to his purposes that's right at that verse and i can definitely camp on that one <hes> speaking speaking of which are there other verses that i was asked people when they're on the show. Do you have a life verse or in the in the writing of this book. Is there just one one verse. That really speaks to your heart. Y'all the one i signed the book with is short but it but it speaks to maine at psalm sixty eight five a father to the fatherless defender of widows because you know my mother was a widow is god in his holy dwelling a defender of of widows and he sees when we're fatherless and and so he just he just takes us on sometimes this is crazy but i think gosh gosh i would probably give up my earthly father again if it meant not knowing my heavenly father and i often wonder under if my earthly father had lived and i had all the privileges of being a doctor's daughter would i have sought god as father like i have so pursued him and accepted his pursuit. Would i have done it. I'm not so sure you know. There are other verse versus that i love miss. Dan one of does is i john three one. How great is the love. The father has lavished on us that we should be called children of god and then john fifteen nine as a father has loved me so have i loved you and then i john four eight. God is love is love is love that until love didn't he and and he you know we we have to understand and that's why we have to read the the word of god. Is we have to understand that he is a good god. He loves us and he's not <hes> a god who wants to zap people when they do wrong. He is patient. He doesn't want anyone to perish the word says and so we just have to believe <hes> what's said in in the word of god or you know or not but i think it's important i believe it's important to take all of the word of god and and put it into effect in our own lives absolutely well. I always close with this question as well l. <hes> if you could sit down and talk to somebody <hes> who has grown up without a father <hes> what what would what would you have once wanted somebody to say to you or what would you say to them based on your life experience. What what wisdom would you pour into them well. I wished i would have known this sooner but i would have. I would say to someone look you may not have the love of your earthly father but here's the thing your heavenly father wants you to know him personally. He loved so much. You are the apple of his i. He wants to talk to you everyday. He wants a relationship with you every day. He wants you to go to him and sit on his lap and and give them mm all your concerns and and ask him to help you with the problems that you have in the areas where you just don't feel adequate he he desires to be close to you and i and i wished that someone really would have said that to me. As a younger woman had to find this out on my own through the study you know through the john study and subsequent studies that i went through. I've got a whole shelf of bible studies. I've done over the years and it was was a process for me but i'd like to save somebody that effort. Maybe somebody's listening now who just needs to hear that right now. Maybe no one's ever said that to to them. That is really what i want people to know <hes> god desires to be close and desires a relationship with your. He does speak out <hes> can can. I just say one more thing. Do we have absolutely i remember being at a i'm a part of this organization christian women media that puts on the global media summit that you were at where we met and <hes> i was at the board retreat and i was talking to a woman who had <hes> she's on the board and she has a book and but she was a biology collagen a chemistry major in college and i thought wow that is cool. It's you could do science. My father was a doctor but i was horrible. At those subjects. I was not meant to be a doctor and i clearly heard it came from left field. I'm telling always known as the win. This god really speaking to me. He said you may not be dr gifted you to heal man i and i stopped in my tracks because my heavenly father had just spoken spoken to me and told me how he had created me and he was using all of these these troubles to help other women he'll so he wants to speak to you. A lot of people think wou- god's speaking well yes he does and it's generally. It's a <hes> it's it's a message <hes> that you never would've thought of yourself yeah but he also speaks to us through his word. I heard in <hes> hebrews. It says that jesus is the final revelation jesus and john we know that jesus is the word so <hes> even he speaks to us through his word it in that we may not think that that tim speaking to us but that's his great love letter to yeah but you're right says the word is alive and active and sharper than any two edged sword in that happens is when you read the word and you see this neon sign around passage i mean you don't know why it's jumping out. Cubit is because he's speaking to you through that particular passage s yes and the also speaks in that still small voice so i love that well thank you so much much for being my guest on by his grace today. Where can people find out more about you. And where can they find your book well. My books are all on amazon have a book to help with female in security call if i only had wrapping yourself in god's truth during storms of insecurities whilst children's books and devotional so they're they should all be on amazon but they're also my website which is pearls of promise ministries dot com hurls of promise ministries dot com tom. I'm also on facebook and on twitter at pearls promise so we'd love for you to like our page we always post <hes> the links to our blogs dogs that we have and <hes> we have something called pop talk that we're doing on wednesdays and so <hes> that's from eleven to twelve and that's live on facebook and it will it goes to youtube youtube after we edit it so i mean there's lots of stuff going on with our ministry and it's all about helping you love it. Love love love. It will put all of that in the show notes so you can be sure to finally seth follow. Lisa grabbed her books and being encouraged like i was encouraged today. Thank you so much. Thanks misty. Thank you for joining me today on by his grace. I hope you've enjoyed listening are encouraged by our guest. Today i would love free to visit my blog misty philip dot com for more encouragement. You can find the on social media as misty philip and i would love to connect with you there <music>.

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Speed skater Steven Bradbury's race to Salt Lake City

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52:03 min | 2 years ago

Speed skater Steven Bradbury's race to Salt Lake City

"This is an ABC podcast. I think one of the most fun things about the Olympics. Is that every four years you got to watch the sport. That's really exciting. And looks amazing. Even though you might not really know anything about it. The events at the Winter Olympics elect that astray Leah for obvious reasons doesn't really have a huge culture around winter sports like Canada or Russia or the United States, which is why we don't have such a big middle telly compared to the summer of ints. This goes, someway, I think to explain the massive incredulously in strata when Steven Bradbury won the gold medal for the men's speed skating in two thousand and two in Salt Lake City, and you've probably seen the video Stephen maintaining a careful distance at the back of the pack and then on the final lap one competitive slips, and then suddenly all the other competitors all of them crash into each other. And they go spinning across the ice and Steven just sort of effortlessly glides poss- them across the finishing line to win gold. And this is the kind of victory that naturally appeals to a straightens. And so doing. Bredbury has entered the language to represents the idea of seemingly if at Louis fluky victory. But there is one big unanswered question with all this. If this was also effortless had it Steven Bradbury make it to the men's final of this elite sport in the first place. How much struggle went into putting him among the world's fastest speed skaters today. You'll actually get to hear that back story and understand just how much will it went into getting Stephen onto the starting line of that rice in two thousand to help Stephen alleged think having me we're vested you grow up. I'll your up in western Sydney suburb called LeMay said past Campbelltown vice to Campbelltown and hail used to spend a lot of time in the in the car with mom driving me into a Cantabria black down offerings as a youngster. This is like a Bush suburb back then when you were growing up there. I wouldn't say Bush. It's not like it is out that way Wisden CD now, which is basically built all the way to happen. Although to the Blue Mountains and every other direction Sydney's pretty much full node is isn't it? So it was at a fairly was fitted of freedom in childhood out in the out of Sydney, then it was it was a great place to grow up our member brought him my black on the straight with no hands on the handle BAAs now helmet. When I was seven years all the streets were quiet, and my brother, and basically to Roman do whatever we is. When did you first strip on a pair of skates? I'll I tripped on a pair of speed skates. When I was eight years old, which is the the long version, the long spades guiding light what's the difference between speed skating bites and the ones that are. Series was putting on there's a lot of differences, but the mind differences, the width of the blight, the space guy is a lot thinner and the length of the blight. It's a lot longer. So started spades Gatting at eight prior to that my dad, I put me on a pair of skates when all bad threes old over. Mom and dad mom's everyone the Fatemi ball. Mas at one all three first month's guides. I didn't Scott again for bet threes after that cause trauma to us. It is terrifying. Even I think. I think I was thirteen or something like that. And it is a little scary. Imagine you fingers are gonna get chopped off. And you see the ice that's hard. And you fall in your bomb. Hertzel wit all of that stuff. So so you put the Scots on at three. And that was so what you wanna do it in front of the threes up to that correct air. And then you know, I was watching my dad's Scott he was the national champion in a Stryer spades. Getting a couple of towns back in the mid sixties and a spas in some ways. Unfortunately, being that was as far as the sport went. There was no whoa championships that wasn't in the Olympics and for him. It was more of a regular hobby rather than a echo trying to see if I can be the best in the world. But dad was very good in his Diane. I wanted to share something that he was doing. Did you have siblings who were doing it with you did my younger brother Warren, and I spent many years training together. Hey, got very very close to making the Olympic team as well. But fortunately, didn't quite get the so you put on speed skates at you say, so you. Competitive by nicer, or did you just enjoy the spoils of the mix of both of those things. Extremely competitive. But losing it anything all's ply monopoly with my brother and movie keys, if he was winning Jake? This refreshing, you say that because it's the most destroys go to know like the mic around and that sort of stuff so you were competitive wrought from the get-go he's supposed to go out of that sort of when you get a little bit older though, it took somebody like lanes, I'm showing a little bit longer that. So when did you start skating competitively at I'ts that young? How started rising in the national championships? The first time I think I was knowing these out in the tens division and our member when all ten on the on the thirteen national spades. Getting Jamie shifts at ten years of age and the kid who got the bronze medals finished last. Populace. Okay. Doing the mess of that my head. I don't know why mentioned Pekka kids doing it. What made you so driven them? What made you driven to want to really go further than your than anyone else in your family. Initially. I didn't realize the potential that. I had as a space Guida and. My dad did when all's third and four years of age. He used a false Meteo running with him the scatting had problem with because everytime us guy that I was getting a little bit foster. And and the speed was the drought of always loved anything that goes fast, and that adrenaline that went with that kept me coming back from we'll, but I didn't necessarily enjoy pounding at five six kilometers going running before school every night, which my dad used to might be and for couple years there. I massively resented him for it. Hiding for fourteen you you move with your family to Brisbane now Brisbane, I don't know if it's fine for its joint plethora of us skating rinks. I mean, we're getting pretty warm weather once you're in Brisbane. What was was there any ice skating speedskating culture in Brisbane when you when you rive at fourteen it's not exactly the the center of this game? Fourteen or believe at that time was ranked Iran about eleventh twelfth in New South Wales, including all the men skied as those actually quota a large population of Speights guide is back then that was sort of one hundred fifty or size. Spades guide is in the state in New South Wales. And then I moved to Queensland and suddenly owes number one in the state. So the time it it didn't seem like a very good move wasn't happy about moving at all. And I spent a lot of time catching the boss back to see which was a hell of a Hawk Down the prince's hall. I will the New England highway, and as as it turned out some of the juniors out of the the ruse club in Brisbane started to come up and some of the other top skied is in Astrid started to move to Brisbane to try and may as well also seen started to slowly develop in Brisbane around you then. Yeah. Probably around me. But you know, it wasn't the I wasn't the only catalyst in that. Is best five hundred Mehta skied for many as nine was rich and his Elsie he moved here to shoot business as well. And on the back of that. My brother cat was getting better and those two brothers in Brisbane, Andrew and Mark McNally that buys can pay in a couple of Olympics H, and I started coming up into the national team as well. And it ended up being the sort of the epicenter of getting this dry for probably a decade. Still watching it as a sport watching it at the elite level, you were practising it. It's it's an exciting sport. It's very exciting sport watch very television friendly that it's also very beautiful too. It's very beautiful. Sometimes it doesn't even look a competitive sport. It looks like some kind of strange team activity or something all seem to know. There's the moments when you struggling to get ahead, but for the rest of it. You're also have moving in the same way almost like a flock of birds or something going incredible speeds, and tilting I'd have just to the point where you hand will just gently tech the rink didn't even does. But it looks like to tapping the wrinkle something going around the corner, it does it's graceful sport. And if you're smooth in looks relaxing, generally that also means fast, if you look like, you're a Radic, and you're trying really hard than generally that mind slow. So once you get over on that angle of Dan to around about a forty degree lane. Angle you can get to you can actually put your elbow danell to the office when you leant over if you want to but putting your fingers down onto the OSs creates a little bit of stability point. Once you leant over that forty degree angle, you put your fingers, Dan and gives you that little bit more control. And when you nihil the exit of the corner when you blades gripping, and you've got the the bend, and they ride in the angle and everything's tweet and you come out of that corner. Just it can feel lucky being fought out of a slingshot coming out of the corner. If he got the strength to push it and the geez, Leonard forty degrees. The the feeling is incredible. It's very gentle thing, it's this gentlest hat, and then you know, part of the way around the let the skies will have their hands behind their back. You've come dolphins cutting through water or something like that. It looks it looks at listeners. But of course, it's not all that strength is going into powering. You're watching closely. The thing that struck me was trying to think what so appealing to look at. And I think it's quite dream Locke. I think I've had dreams like that. Where I moved like that. High-velocity friction Lewis forward motion. Does it feel as good as it looks to do? I gotta tell you, Richard. I. Have a little bit of trouble nowadays because it's been so many is being able to remember exactly what that feeling was lot. If you've been on the us for two weeks off the are sorry for two weeks. You're so far away from that feeling of. Speed and smooth and driving out of the corner. But definitely can remember what it was like. And it was it's just exhilarating. When everything comes together, the strength of this guy and the equipment set up and the draw out of the corner. It's a it's an incredible feeling of doing over fifty kilometers an hour on a on a pair of spades guides and feeling comfortable in control while you're doing it. So you can feel that exhilaration because you're not like, it's the concentration you're bringing to the sport the concentration, you need to have in order to get posture your competitors. All that that doesn't get in the way of the rush of pleasure that you feel in the sport as you competing. I don't know if the if the pleasure comes in so much when you're in a competitive situation, that's probably more when you doing when the conditions are optimal, and you going really fasting trying to when you're in a competitive environment as Oviously. A lot of other things that are going through all into bet when you gotta move who's in front of you is behind you, and how much energy you try to save fill the certain point of the rice. Have you tried ice skating across the rink really quite small, actually? So if you tried ice skating at top speed across a giant, I dunno frozen like or something like that a frozen Ponderosa going going going going gone done. Some some skating on the canals in Holland in my time, and I have an how different is that experience to to be on rink ill that the way short-track spades. Getting sky to set up which is moss board not long track. So most of the lap is on the corner rather than in a straight lawn say he can't go fast in a straight line in short sketches you can turning because the Gs and the acceleration out of the corner in the lane angle LA accelerate more but scouting on a canal. What you can't say the end of it and your ad. So I'd in a. In a natural environment is pretty fun. You endanger crashing into a badge or something? If. Canal in Amsterdam or something. I don't know. If you've heard of the event, I have there in Holland which hasn't run for a long time. It used to be called the eleven CDs rice, which is the logic sporting event in the country and the canals Judy global warming. Whatever you wanna Mike of it having frozen over that hod for many many years. I don't think they've around for a bit seven writing news NIA how much of it is about the blades when you going that fast. The equipment set up mine Li the blades is a is a huge part of the sport. There's a lot of science that that goes into getting the bend. The angle variety is in the offset all combining perfectly. So you get the raw dramatic grip to be able to exit the corner as fast as you can. And the technology in sitting up lies improved markedly in the last decade, also finish the sport. It was. It was a little bit. More of a skied is having a shot at bending hoping them. Correct. Whereas the the Benny equipment has been fun Shuna, what these days, what does it feel like to be crammed into a pack as you zooming around the corners like that packed at any moment month, you know. Crashed into one another most people have of ridden in a cycling pack you've written behind somebody on you balk in the slipstream. Yeah. You're riding alone at let site MAs people can brought along at thirty kilometers. And you get a slipstream that makes it markedly easier when you behind somebody it's not to the same degree in spades scouting. But there is that degree of sleep stream advantage of being slightly easy. When when you behind another skater so being able to save energy is a big pot of hopefully being at the front at the end of the rest that you're going how fast top speed when you do in these rices top spades. Bit fifty three fifty four kilometers Annella just just below coddling. The speed limit. In other words. Fuss when that is pretty fast here, and when you're in a pack though, and the you're going that fast. I drive a car where there's only like a couple of centimeters something on the side of you in front of you. And you're trying to drive at that speed. It's all relative, though, isn't it 'cause the other scattered around you are doing the science too. So so you'll moving at the same time how come in the crushes in this sport. Crashes are very common, especially once you get to woods the final rounds of the event. And this guy is become incredibly, even usually it's the first two that moved through to the next the next round of the competition. So if you're in the quarter-finals, and you're running third on the last lap is point finishing third he mode as well. For suicide and Troy Mike it through to second to get through to the next round. Which obviously create some cottage that goes with it. All right. So there's that Colston calculation of risk and reward at every correct? Isn't it? A really high though in this guy's so at fifteen you win to two damn what was it like to despite an international competition for the first time at that age. I was the reserve in the national team at that one bit always incredibly exhauted and felt lucky to be to see the sport on an international level. And I remember watch they Japanese Guida in the men's sales and made a finally poss three other guys on the ad sewed. It took me about two and a half laps to Farley. Mike the pass. And then he kept them and broke the world record boy point out of a second. He's lost nine was Kayla sake. The as the moldable, and I watched him do that. And sitting there in that grain, STAN I said to myself. I want to do that. And really that was the last time in my lofta evident my dad to push me. I knew that I was going to the Olympics from that moment. It was just a matter of where to finish. And in fact, in a lot of us getting care probably needed after that are probably needed somebody to tell me when to stop training. We're strandings taken seriously in the sport at that time internationally or even nationally even domestically ended to national. We had a long history in in chill trade Scotty, and we actually had the the first ever world champion in the sport in nine seventy. I was on official world championships, then, but the winner was an Australian main. I'm Jim Lynch, and you know, we had a a loan history throughout the seventies and eighties in insured trek paid scouting. And when it became an Olympic sport official medal sport the first time in ninety two and Albertville which was also more first Winter Olympics, and we're actually the five rights in the rely to win the gold medal in that. Once I see this comes as a surprise to me knowing because I I don't know, I suppose the suspect minister. Done much about just what which is most of us think that the straightens do reaching high standards of excellence in a a sport. Like this is a bit like thinking that someone from the Himalayas would do well in the pool or something. It says it's a commonly held misconception that I I've had this meta will ensure checks baits getting we have Olympic soy straits here in a strike walls. The conditions might not be the best in the world. There's a place. Cool the house in Melbourne which is a jewel Austrian facility, which is one of the world's leading facilities these days, but the rings that are trying to own the us conditions would generally a little bit subpar, but it was still an Austrian in Judah to do the majority of the vice work the United before you went overseas and got onto the onto the foster OSs conditions. Ninety ninety won the world championships will held in Sydney, and you competed and trained and try and and try and how did you do that avent's Stephen HALE that was one of the hollow to my sporting career or just turned seventeen at that point. And was the fourth member of the Australian men's realized time and combined with John Calvin Zaleski in Andrew Murtha who were all more all the season competitors. And I mentioned earlier that those two guys that will left out of the the national team. That were older and better than me, the before that went real happy and to go as as your mother, and John so that will back with a vengeance for the world championships the following year combined with is three goes, and we won the wo-. Jamie chips. You won the world championships in that event that that rely. We did we came from the year before bicycling being lapped as a I team against the the world champion Dutch team, and the Canadians and the Koreans and and other countries in the four of is just kind of progressed enormously around the same Tom, and I progressed the most because I was getting much stronger gang from sixteen to seventeen and and really trying like an elite athlete probably for the first full season in my lawf-. And and the progressions I might more enormous, and and the other three guys were that were on fire in that event is the slowest of the four and in some ways always able to to tag. On the back of three gauze win a gold medal. But at the same time, I wouldn't have wanted with that my so the next ninety ninety two you'll seventeen years old, and you go to your first Winter Olympics able to build in France as part of this relight same does it does. That mean you went in as the favorites for that events. Correct. Yeah. Well, shavings fibers for the gold middle and realistically at that point. There was only three teams that could get the gold medal. It was a stray Canada and South Korea. Wait, a straight ahead of of the rest of the teams in that event. And unfortunately in the semifinals, Richard Zaleski crashed about two thirds of the way through the event, and that was it. So these kind of crashes are quite commonplace in San crushes happen. Very regularly in in short-track Speights getting you know, you've got that late angle of forty degrees. And you're trying to get the maximum out of your legs in your Queant. And it doesn't take much to to have stumble. And if the grip doesn't hang on the blight, then it's very hard to hang onto it had had a competitors from much. Called a countries treat your presence of the various hot, very highest levels of the sport. You up starts what definitely not not anymore, and then those back then now. After we won the world championships. We put ourselves on the map. And I remember when the draw for the for the semi finals at the Olympics in apple feel one way where rising with the South Koreans when strike drawn at the Korean team manage pencil down on the desk because he wasn't happy that that he had to rise against the Stryer. And you know, we had respect of the world in the sport know with the world champions. What wouldn't we this is the time when we the Olympics would be stunning to become more and more popular. What do you think is the appeal of these sports, particularly countries like straight to to watch on on the telly or even live? Well, firstly every sport in the Winter Olympics with the notable exception of cooling. Has risk and speed involved with it. And usually that is quite television friendly exciting to watch in a lot of the newer events. That have been added to the uinta guys. More recently. Millennial focus thought off that's their term. But the younger generations love, the the slide style the snowboard cross the half pot and short space getting certainly fits into that category of an extreme sport. And the younger generations love to watch the speed and the predictibility of those sports and the Winter Olympics is definitely headed in the in the direction with the the sports that it's added over the last decade or so and. Astray punches way above its white. We've got so many middle contenders for peon Chang in February. How the anybody knows where the Winter Olympics, but they appeal and Chang'an career and they're on two months away. I suppose it's about as fast as a human being can go with that on a device that doesn't have a motor, I suppose when you think about it isn't on skis skates, or an illusion something like did you do any homework on that ridge just thinking that into my head, correct? It's actually it's getting the fastest self-propelled sport. In the world now engine now, gravity. Few being seventeen years all wondering around the Olympic village for the first time. It was. I was lucky to these Ed cat off in a letter respect. So I had so much potential and ability on the auspice spent a lotta time playing pinball machines in the video arcade because they'll Afri and McDonald's was free. And you know, I could go down to the to the to the food hall, and and eight magnum blocks eleven PM at naught, and it just you allowed to do that. There's no trying to saying just just go easy on the meccas in the magnums before you get your way of people advising, I guess too stupid. So frigging run. There was. So it's an accepted part of the rice. Then it sounds to me like eight years you say the team crashed out in in those Olympics. But it seems to be like, then it's another thing. I didn't understand about speed. It's just an accepted technical pot of the rice that you might crash or the other competitors. My crash, and you might get caught up or you might get pasta thin, a great and probably on average most gate is would be crashing in training once every two to three weeks. And that's when you not pushing yourself it one hundred percent drawn to get pasta. The sky is when you legs Todd, and you know, the the fauna lap of a rice trying to get through to the next round. So in rising, the crushes a foul will come in the training. So you'd one gold at the world championships city recruits out in in your first Olympics in France. The what you remember how you felt at the end of that what resolve you head at the end of that having crushed out. Hill. Unfortunately from familiar that point always at a full moon. I didn't actually skies in that rice in the semifinal. But I was devastated when we were down and the team had no chance of Olympic medal. I would've loved to have seen the other full go as pick up an Olympic medal evening, even if I didn't get one would have been a strikes first Winter Olympic medal. All of us had a lot more time lifting the sport, especially Mayo's only seventeen. So a lot of unfinished business at that point. In the winter games in the games used to be in the Siamese up until not I ninety two we had Basel iron right now, but villa and it was too expensive for most countries to to send to Olympic teams in the same year. So the Winter Olympic Games split. Meaning we had one in ninety two and how Ville and then knowing that ninety four in Lillehammer, Norway. So we had two years until the next Winter Olympics. And there was no way that any of the gauzy out saying we're going to hang up. They skied surpri to having another shot at it. You're listening to conversations with Richard Fidler. On ABC radio's. You. It's the Winter Olympics again what you said none in ninety four to compete at Lillehammer, Norway. And you're part of the short track relates what was what was the plan for you within the guys at Louis him to qualify in the real life for the Olympic times you have to make it into the top. I realize times in the world, which is a competitive environment to begin with to get into the best. And so once we did that we knew that we one of the strongest teams in the world, and we had a pretty Sola chance to to make amends from what had happened in Albertville in ninety two and hopefully win for its Winter Olympic medal. That was the plane. We had the possibility of getting a gold, but didn't eventuate as it turned out. We're able to pick up the bronze, and it was a pretty amazing couple of weeks. I remember we back to a Stryer had people recognizing for for a Waco to move the flavor of the month site for a winter sport in a strike in summit county. To to be on the map for a moment or two was Zillah writing for the whole time again in the individual. Vince this time you because you qualifying times beforehand you went into your individual events as a favorite to win. Didn't you GD thousand Maida's was the best event that I had to compete in the Olympics fifteen hundred meters hadn't been added at that point, which is arguably stronger that in the in the house and Mehta's owes one of the big favorites to to get a medal. Get a gold medal in that event and hear things differently. Didn't go in my favor was. Ghibli intentionally taken out in the first round of the competition. So skater from Belgium, skied it up in Saudi and fell over in front of me going into the corner and took at my legs. So whether he did it intentionally on on the be one hundred percent, sure. But partly it was because I shouldn't have. Allowed myself to get into that position. But that didn't change the fact that always asked in the first round of the competition as one of the five rights. Fortunately, though winning. The bronze Maitland. The relay was I would have put some of those. Not say good Olympic memories debate. And put him in the back of mom on how psychologically robust you have to be to go into an event like that. It's the Phifer and be taken out in a crash intentional or otherwise where the prospect of victory is dangled in front of you in the end, though, you rice with this incredibly painful collision with the crash barrier. I'll think luck in law, if you just have to be realistic things done always to the way that you want them to hit a crash barrier and fifty guys. Non-scots you've just got to keep getting back up. And the why the rules were in the sport back, then they've been changed since if another guy that committed a this qualifiable offense against you. And a Wilson inside the loss two of the rice, then you would not able to be advanced to be to the next round of the competition. And hey took seven laps to go. The speed it hardly even picked up yet. And so the rules since that point had been changed and people used to explore the rules to that. Because there was gaps in them. Ninety ninety four during the World Cup of int- in Montreal what happened that Stephen Hales unfortunate to to crush with probably the two biscuit is in the world at that point and myself being in the mix with us to is mocking on Fred Blackburn to Canadian goes and landed on the back of Fred black bones blind, fifty kilometers in Allah, and it's skewed more broad leg. It went into Moi Royd quote on the outside. So I'd wise flipping in the air and landed bang on the back of these blind. And it went claim three Moi lagging one saw it the other rips dry back yet didn't slash you. Impelled? You correct. Yeah. Hell oppose no, more Marceau's, father and a half lead is a blood all those four of them in sixty seconds. So you can imagine the the mess on the arts at that point. Did you pass? It would have had to pasta supposed losing that much blood. Didn't refused to economize packed with myself lawing there on the us because my whole body was in shock Mars closing said to myself if I lose consciousness. I'm going to die. And. Honestly, richard. I gotta tell you. It is amazing the Amana pale that human being any human being can draw upon when they put into a love situational that if I got a drone on that sort of power everyday much trying on never would've lost and of always been a pretty pretty positive person. But after I came back to the sport after that injury os. Drawer on that. Sometimes if all's having a tough dine training, and the legs would just hurting felt like it was all too hot. I'm trying to think back to an Oslo on the Austin Canada with three quarters of mind blood spilled AMI and by trying and didn't seem so bad anymore. Is it not uncommon for people to die on the rink in this sport? That is very uncommon of on officially happening wants to to go in Korea. But in spades guiding there, isn't that many injuries, the barriers padded say if you hit Soldano back on you don't have a problem you hit fake. I will you try you try and learn very quickly to not hit the barrier fade. I if you've fallen so there, isn't that many injuries? But usually when there is one you got eighteen inch knobs doing fifty kilometers ale flowing through the then it's a pretty good injury. All the muscles for the sputtering. You your legs aren't they thought is what muscle damage did that accident duty your leagues? The question is what muscle damage didn't do. At four at a four. Quad muscles was lost in half the Iliad TBO obey the federal vine and two of the attributed to the federal artery the fem reliable who's missed by one millimeter, if the blade had of that or even Nick I would have bled out in probably thirty seconds. I-it's before Salt Lake City i-it's how long does it take to recover just a little and be able to walk little and compete in your sport? Again. I was never able to get all the explosive Palo back into my leg was I would get all the strength back in actually might stronger than what it was prior to. When it got cut hyphen. That explosion that spring lock reaction that some athletes have lost a little bit of that Palo. But just forgot about that had a lot of unfinished business to take care of Helen. Have spent about three and a half weeks in hospital, and because it was all muscle damage one hundred eleven stitches in my leg and wants our taking out the the muscles were on the road to recovery and to buy Szekely, get straight back into exercise and training. But it took me probably I take months to get all strength back in my leg begun shot winning the Skype spec on. Monetarily until stepped foot on the office for the first time that I was falling. So then you get to the Olympics non teen ninety eight you're back at the Olympics competing having your quarter sips lost as badly as it was in negative Japan. You crushed out again. But you were very serious prospect for the gold, even despite your injuries do a strenuous. No, this bet you Stephen that you competed at that level. It wasn't my first time strapping on a pair of skates warning up in the fall of the at the Olympic team Salt Lake City as as you mentioning here at a lotta history in the sport and the noggin Olympics ninety. Definitely a pot scouting history. Try not to dwell on because I just didn't get. Well. Yeah. It seems like that's just the risk. You have to accept about the sport. Again. I'm not making the point again. And again, you'll get into the starting line at the highest level of this elite sport. I just don't know if trainings know that about you. This again, and again, and again, you one golden realize with we'll championships bronze at the Olympics before that. I think for me probably the thing that that a struggle with the most in Moi scouting career was being out with a fund my peak at the right time, sometimes break world records in training and guided incredible sets and laptops in training in September. It's got a really well the stride national championships and won the Todd. But by the time I got to two world championships the following botch. Just wasn't skating at my pink at the raw time. And I think that's the way the guy is who beat me most of the time the top gauze in the World War. I would to judge when the best in themselves came out when I needed it at the raw, Tom and for me. Fan at hero there at the world championships or the Olympics. But I was neighbor. I would have put a finger on how to get the pig rut. So you're now sit on two thousand and two in Salt Lake City and then in training for that. There was another accident. Can you explain what happened on that day? Yeah. That was added that a cashier age where I've spent a lot of doing laps around the big frigid. There's always the cool it. It was a very Oculus training crash. Kana just skied into another go. I went out of the top of him and wind up going headfirst into the barrier and chin was pushed down onto my chest and more wrought by the whole road sort of my body, my ROY leg and everything had in Natal's wrought through it and said, you know, that's a that's a Nikki injury stride up and. A lady by the name of an mcnew, who's the mom of couple of goes always the rise against was a nurse. And she recognizes what it was try to why. And basically, my laws me and cold the and the next thing on you. I'd I'd been diagnosed with a fractured safe all say five or if you want to take the technicality out of it O'Brien, Nick, and I screwed a highlight Bryce into my head, which has two pins in the front two pins in the back, which screwing tease pushing the skull. And then a ring around the top, which is what I call it a highlight Bryce, so I'll pretty much was Emily human building for a couple of months. You obviously couldn't train while you were wearing that. Could did you couldn't skate because I couldn't watch Wairoa's going, but still I would have pushed whites in the gym and spent an incredible amount of them on the station Reebok in my house at high just popping at intervals and pumping it pedal off the pedal after pedal to to Kate my fitness up during that Tom wearing a highlight rice. Yeah. And it has a it has just and back flights that the head construction zone part of it bald onto and they will in law and say he could imagine how smelt doing all of those boils on the trading block with woollen Lond chest and back lights. What did you make of you? What you what you try and look that hit my mom. She didn't side and has many woods, but at that point in Moscow, adding career could tell by the look on the Heff ice that she wanted me to quit auto mice bled to death. And now, I was lucky enough to be in a wheelchair. And in fact, there was a lot of people are that's on. What's helmet was Tom to hang out with Scott's? But what about your doctors for me that was that was never a question in my head, and I had two and a half months where in the highlight Bryce and the whole tone of think about the big picture nothing else today and saw that once the highlight Bryce is removed of only good I monster go until the next Olympics. And I'd months of hard work at of four years not that much. If I don't do it. I'm going to keep myself for the rest of all off. So I got I have one shot at it. And the doctor who screwed the highlight Bryce into my head did not agree with that. Hey, tell the difference guide again just backed up most stuff and went to another doctor so traveling to Salt Lake City in two thousand and two for this event. You were a man just recovered from a broken Nick and used before that. Oh, wouldn't say just recovered. That was I mean months earlier. Yeah. That's just recovered. Brakeman naked couple of weeks ago. Too. Funny, wasn't it. Now. That's just recovered. I think isn't it. I mean, they so you push through all of that to get to Salt Lake City in the first place you up to mystic when you arrived in this. I was incredibly excited and up to mystic for sure. It was a different different mindset in Salt Lake City than what walls in my previous three Olympics during that time, whereas Wailer wearing the highlight Bryce, I set myself when you go voice been one talks about setting goals and sit calls for myself my goal through the first three Olympics was to get a go middle that hadn't happened and realistically. It wasn't going to the new goal was to get to that. Next Olympics in Salt Lake CDS, get my best, and my best realistically wasn't medals anymore out is one of the do my best once every four years when the whole world was finally watching us scattered from Brisbane as a solo competitive we used surprised to make it to the final. If you had a vase me prior to the competition if I'd be in the final, and I'd take a fifth plice out of this event. I have taken it. What was the caliber of Ponant lock the you're up against in that in that fun rice the other fullest guide is four of probably civil rights guide is in the world that even my best simply couldn't beat anymore you older than most of the oldest guy. Not just in the final the oldest scatter in the entire failed and in spades. Getting you get about twenty five minutes race between each round save. The hates the quarters the semi finals in the final all in about an hour and a half. And so for me, I had one I'll tell you. Good rice in me in an not. But after that are probably needed a day off until I could come back, right figurative. So you so you'd spend your money if you like on the on just getting to the funnel much with cash might in the quarter flawed. Can ID and go, but I'm a market yawn. Hadn't beaten that prick for ideas. What ships with cash to that point, Richard? And if from there in the in the semifinals us guided will, but not well enough to be I would mix it with the other gods, but are still had some reasonable legs in the semi final. As a tuned out. Three of them fell over on the Las corner in house bike with my couch prior to the fawn look to the other names and said they're out on bait. Any of these blocks little China's leading, and he's Zang and she agreed with me going into that funnel rice, the men's one thousand meter. Do. You have a ritual. Did you have anything you said to yourself to steady nerve and make you confident before the rice? I don't know if it's ritual, but one thing that I always used to tell myself was to go smooth. Because as I said at the start scanning smooth is getting fast, but for that funnel knowing that always going in there with a different tactic to the other four by catching on knew that the other guy is in the final were interested in a gold medal. None of them wanted to finish second. And that meant that. There was a reasonable chance of two guys getting mixed up one getting disqualified one going down and may being left with a bronze medal and standing on the podium, and that would've been amazing. So you went into the that that that rice with that as a strategy in a way that the competition for goal would be so intense that there was a chance a good chance that that will end up or one of more would end up in a tangle and crush out. That was the only strategy. Oh, I felt I could have a strong as the other full say mixing it up with them in the first two thirds of the rice was simply pointless and that could. Only amount to me getting involved in some collision with them. And and maybe taking away the the small chance of picking up a medal through other people's mistakes that I had so what was state of mind, then going into the rest was it strangely. Calm. It sounds like it was always really sucking up the atmosphere before the final as you get magin. There's there's not too many people that are coming to watch me do lap standard a cashier reaching Brisbane for training. So when you get to the Olympics, and you've got a sixteen and a half thousand strong crowd in the in the Utah, Jazz basketball stadium in Salt Lake City, you'll Mike in the most of that opened she unity and just sucking up that atmosphere on you. It was my last Olympics and to be in the fall and was was pretty bloody special. What are you remember after the starting coming off you might tactic on you guy strike to the back, and I was just going to hang onto the other four as long as I could. So the first seven and a half lengths of their I saw of the non lap. Oh, hang on hang onto the other full. And unfortunately, they from. The leg started to get Todd. And for me. That it never really happened before on knew that. Wasn't going to be able to mix it with them. But to drop off at of the slipstream was something that I hadn't experienced in my career really ever. And so, you know, once you get more than about three meters behind the Paki lose that slipstream. And then he got that elastic Bain defect with wants the elastic Baynes broken and you're out of the slipstream. It's it's all very quickly. So you know, I went from three or four motives behind to ten or twelve maters behind very quickly over the course of the last lap and a half. And from there ought resigned myself to finishing fifth which would have been pretty happy with and then heading into the loss corner. Also, the Chinese go, I try and Mike and move, and it didn't work, and he fell and thought we'll that's full. That's not really any better than fifth and set up phone will turn from me. The other three skied has tangled up and out of their quarter. Ma I saw them all in into the pads. Squashed up against the barrier on you that I didn't have to get any more all out to do glide. And I wasn't sure if I should celebrate a hard. I had no idea what the appropriate response walls, and MAs people saying there is I saw the look on my face and pretty much tells the story do you give when you know, the how it's going to pan out. And you see you watch the video again, it almost looks like the upfront. They're gone come on. Let's crash out and give Stephen a guy, you know, to looks like that clear a wife for you, almost if you to sail side gracefully through the middle of that and your arms, your arms sort of rise up very gently. It's not it's not it's it's kind of like a victory gesture, but it's not it's not like pumping. The definitely not. No, it's you sort of put your arms in the air. Is it like receiving a gift or something is that what it is? Well, suppose at that moment, that's sort of what it felt like and initially I wasn't sure ovo wanted to accept the Goldman Linda those stances as as we've been through had changes to winning privies Olympics, and I didn't work out. But. A gift is probably not the description and the biggest thing that felt like after the rice was relief. There was three or four minutes where the judges would kinda huddled together in the middle of the Austin. There was the adul- home over the crowd of sixteen and a half dozen people because nobody knew what was going to happen. I think the judges I knew they were going to do because if that crash happened, but decide to let's go they would have stopped the rice had a look at the video disqualified the person who who they to caused the crash, and then rice that again, but because it happened wrought on the Las Cohen rod before the finish lawn odd going across the lawn to the other guys had gotten up and bicycle sleet across the lawn. So the distance was complete. So if the distances complete you can't rice the rice again, so that was more fiber as well. And all the other sky does had gotten off the rice gotten off the OSs a couple of them had small injuries the Canadian God cut his buttocks. Little bit sales. A little little bit of blood on the awesome that Sean as in the Korean God, full and Iver when you it was going to happen. And all the last go ahead there on the awesome, though, it will. If they asked me the gold medal winner, he which I'll think they going to there's no way that I'm grabbing the and flag doing a victory lap. So I'm going to get off. Just after I got off the official announcement came through. And the Jumbotron was there in the stadium, and it had more time with the gold medal next to it. I knew that was the official announcement and just looked up. I wasn't looking up to to go to anything that. But just sorta braised out good never breathe it before. And it there was two or three seconds raw the that had been cowed at a time. Just for me. It was the crowd like the American America's because one of those rices that was knocked that was American how unhappy with a jury of the credit was booing. That's very classy of them is that they wanted the American to win that would disappointed that that he was involved in the collision was Onis. Why to get the gold medal and the Chinese go? I was the one that did the fail ply. And was disqualified Bill you I mean, you hadn't done anything. I've done the the American credit was booing me particularly doing because the American Apollo didn't win. So there was you've won the goal that you were the first to win gold, and it was seen as this active listener and fluky, and it kind of feels like. When you win the Milton capital, something, and you haven't you haven't done any effort to win money or something like that. It was saying like that like I say how where do you think straightens out that you'd had all that intensity in victory and training and triumph over adversity and recovery from injury to get you there in the first place, as you know, Richard space getting isn't isn't on the television in this country. So from when the Winter Olympics are on every full years. They would have been a very few people in a stray who remembered eight years earlier when I was in the real I picked up the bronze medal and very few people would have even known that. I'd competed in for Olympic Games say this is spoil the joke to know that about you. I wonder is that the problem the suppose the joke. I will spies an strike. The the toll puppy syndrome is all too prevalent, isn't it sometimes some people just want to know keyed in and that's one of the bad things about astray and culture. But for me these questions, you'll throwing at me now questions that most people ask you for doing interview around. Does it piss you off that people only think he won because you're lucky, but nobody actually says that people realize that wind up in the foreign let the Olympic Games because you haven't worked hard to get the most people most people realize that you celebrated as an underdog. Nice definitely. Yeah. We've got the the sighing in twenty fourteen that was added into the Mkhori dictionary doing bribery. It gets used more and more every year, and they still using it went on. Did you do a little motivational speaking these days, what do people still love eventual story? More story. As a prime example that if you willing to give all of yourself something because in all are believed to succeed in today's world. You've got to be an expert in one thing today's world is too competitive to to be jack-of-all-trades. You've got to be very very good at something and focus on it and trying hard and do it over time to become an expert immortal. It is that you passionate about and did that in spades guiding and you know, to spike in verse eight thousand conferences nonce in countries and enjoy the adrenaline that guys with being on stage and talk about things like teamwork gull sitting and positive months. You got three kids does I skied? Yeah. Love my kids. There'd be job die. My wife. I had three kids under the two. We had we had twins the second round. So you the first couple of years bringing up three kids nappies felt like trying to for the Olympics was a walk in the Palk. We'll we'll be skied is probably not perform what kids to to get into activties and sports that are a little bit more popular and Estrada, I'm trying to push more sun fleet into tennis as is because all of my tennis. And I'd love to see him. Get a stranglehold of that game. You saying that you think that to get ahead you really have to specialize intensely in one thing. But you miss out on a Lopa knew that. But you doing that? Now, what do you do with your life? Now that broadens you out of intensive think MS add on if you specialize in something, but you didn't sound like you feel like you've missed anything differently. I mean until you willing to give all of yourself to something there's a lotta things in the would which all out to call the one percents and someone hasn't given all this all of themselves to something for a long time hasn't even uncovered what they are. They're those little expert things that make you. Better than anyone else. You've got to give all of yourself to something and donkey up at it. Because once you on cover those little one percent is and you get some of that adrenaline flow in Iran, and you stomach everyday doesn't fill it work anymore. So great to speak with you. Thank you so much. Thanks, richard. Broadcast. Kost. ABC? Listen. This is conversations with Richard Fidler. Navy seen radio. Spoke to Steven Bradbury in late two thousand seventeen and Stevens. 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"To televise. Streaming. Of Car hello everybody and welcome back to streaming. In place. Today, we are talking about the legend of Cora book three change episodes, seven and eight original air benders and the terror. So our main story is the terror within but first we have a little standalone ROMP. I would say with originally air vendors and my you. This is how I know that my experience watching the shows with y'all but also watching those by parents has been a positive positive for for my quarantine bubble. My mom I, think is this close to buying a stuffed animal APPA they've started showing up in her feeds on her social media and she's like Oh look it's like it's from the and she's like Oh that looks like it's really soft. I'm like Allison has one knoll has one. Yup they're very large. It was like, well, if you want one like I, don't like they're very huckabee'll there a hungle size which is important? So so goodness knows I was all ready for A. A Air Bison like focused episode. Elson, what did you think as you as you hug your up, what did you think of originally vendors well first of all I just kept yelling baby air by said over and over and over again. All my God. Marquez. Has Anyone made one to scale yet and I like weird. You keep a to scale stuffed airbase. Maybe to scale stuffed baby air bison. Okay. Maybe maybe you see the scaling of these gifted to a baby and that it'll seem like it's in the right scale. So like next the baby, it'll seem huge. Yes. Yes. If you assume the baby is an size exactly yes. Then you then you scale. Of Hustler options there so many. Yes. Yeah, and then it would be useful for three weeks before the baby grew out of that scale. Yes. Grab they're via. Very cute. Yes. Very cute. Almost makes me want to reproduce. Like it. Just an incredibly cute idea I really liked the original air benders even if it was not a bad boy band which I was trying to figure out where I got that job and I realized, I think it's from a lyric from no diggity by Black Street. who I I'm not sure I would call a boy band. Anyway they're not avoidance however, they did form camaraderie come together as a team. This one was satisfying because it just hit. So many tropes in a really efficient. Fresh. Feeling kind of way. It was all very comfortable and familiar, but just really well done i. just really it's sort of the epitome of one of those episodes where you like this isn't anything particularly special, but it's definitely an a like it's just exactly what it is and it does what it does very well, I enjoyed the hell out of it. Noel how about you was fun revisiting this one yeah I think that's I think Alison hits the nail on the head really well is that it doesn't do anything particularly fresh and in some regards. retreads a little bit of tens anxieties from season from to a little bit and his. His ability to inspire terrible trained. But not be a great trainer himself, but also the limits there in. But I think that the other thing about it is is what just what else instead is that? So very good and very silly and very funny and it has baby Sky Bison. And it just checks all the boxes about this kind of really kind of comfort foods sort of episode of Yeah we've seen all this before. Of course, there are poachers. Course. The Earth Queen wants exotic meats, all this kind of stuff that you're just like, yeah. This whole tracks and none of it feels novel but the entire execution of is so well done. That you just go. Yes. Yes. This is a good way to spend twenty two minutes. Yeah. It was really it was really fun episode and like you? said he is the stuff that we've seen before. Yeah. Do I care? No because they didn't well, I'm here for training montage. I'm here for you. Know you know the one more one team member gotta get over the last part of the obstacle course and they just can't. But now they gotta pull the gang together. Gosh. Darn it like yeah I mean, yeah there's a reason it's an older works. It's a, it's a trope for a reason. Having throwing a top of that the continuing thread with Genera about like hey. Dude I'm an air air bending master. Obviously, there is only one of them in the world. Let's be very clear. I should be the second one. Come on. You're being a bit of a Dick About this dad. Was You know, I think there was an appropriate way to feed into that the as far as getting us a little more connected to our new air vendors I. Think it works really well, and then just you know slots baby Bison airbase ends. Now, airbase. 'cause I'm I'm channeling high here. So now we have a reason to like. Kai. Even. If he does have bad grammar. And yes he's a lovable scampered. Nora has a crush on him and everything and apparently there it's. He's her boyfriend which. Is Not ready for but but the watching the fight scene I think it works really well. As appropriate level of stakes severe bison like I. Mean it's all very good I. It was delightful. It was Super Fun I was very here for it. Marcus asks same question that. I was wondering where the Bison parents were the babies were stolen so that clearly they they waited for them to go get food or something or you know, and then you know grabbed them up real quick and if in case you weren't sure when they start ramming the truck, it's like, yeah I wouldn't WanNa piss off a skype aisin, skype in Mommy and daddy that would be bad So I've felt this did a good job of showing us you know what? Sky Bison are like these with some of the dynamics are when they're not. primarily known to us as the good friend and or pet of a main character. So like you know, you can tell opera hey OPPA, please stop. You you're not tell these bison to stop and there was an appropriate level of stakes and. The they're about to give. To, the appreciate it. Markets also says drawer was in a cage with an air bison baby. So I was wondering about her saving the Bison First Statement. That's true. Saves by she could protect that bison though like if they if something happened she could you know help that by simply other bison did not have a protector. So but yeah, you make a good point know any other thoughts on this one? I think the other thing to kind of take away from this episode is tencent's discussion with Pama about rebuilding the nation and the difficulty of convincing people to become air nomads which is something we've discussed off and on this season, but I think that. was just unaware of how you need to shift this idea of opening up the nation basically to allow new folks in especially folks who are semi being conscripted. So they don't go back to prison. Or like a private army So I think that that that discussion about you need to really do something. Tanzania. To really do something to make them feel like they're part of a culture and just recently. Stories at people isn't going to do it. That one era Acolyte, who answers every question? Is already all in you don't need to convince him. It's everyone else that you need to combat S- and I think that's a really good sort of thread for tens and and for the show think about in terms of what does it mean to basically revive a culture that hasn't existed for almost two hundred years. When you want to bring in like the actual people who are. A part of that culture because they have natural powers. Exploring with all that means is a really good idea and it opens up even larger discussions about like how the show positions like wait what is the whole deal with south? Who Medal Benders doesn't this film exclusionary? This is what we are sort of like enclave of very specific people living together. That's weird. Maybe we should think about that too which led leads into discussion about like Opel and she fit into that psyche given that she didn't seem to have any bending prior to becoming a vendor. So I think that there's a lot of really interesting things about culture simulation happening this season but so really some textual, which is arguably to the season's credit. Since, we've got cool baptized the season. Elson any thoughts found thoughts on this ups, Odor General Pitch of let me tell you the story by the guy from the start but the guy who didn't eaten at the end of story didn't eat some. Yeah. I I think that? This while it is revisiting familiar territory, this is just such a great ten episode because it's sort of wrestles with he's wrestling with his own insecurities and then finds himself unexpectedly confronted with Bubis and it's a nice reminder that leg. While there are no pov characters in the series we certainly get ten cents perspective on a lot of things, and it's a good reminder that the lens that we have and good for him that he can only see so much really but I specifically want to call out my favorite moment of the episode, which is also just one of my favorite moments of both series. I think which is in the fight with the poachers. When I am sorry I do not remember his name, but the air bender whose head is shaved because he thinks it's not optional seals the trap coming. and they go all matrix for a minute. It's not only an incredibly satisfying visual gag. It's just a really smart piece of writing because it underlines exactly what Penn tens in her talking about. It underlines a little bit of wet tencent and boomy talk about and that these things have to be a process and and that moment is sort of both right he would not have shaved his head. If he thought it was optional but he would never have discovered how useful it can be and started talking enthusiastically about what it did for him in this situation. And that's really gonNA make stick right like one led to the other. They are both in in a way right and that you do have to push it a little bit. But when you give people the opportunity to make discoveries and evolve on their own, that's where the real strong connection is. GonNa come from So that's the lake. Reading on what is essentially a very funny joke. Under other implications but I loved I loved that moment. Yeah. No superfund Marcus I, think hits the nail, the head tens and reminds me of accomplished professors who only teach they have to but they're not very good at it. He just wants to meditate and stuff and yeah so. I just wanted to research Oh, no one will pay me I have to teach. Okay. Here's a bunch of lectures I'm going to hand you off to the TA's. OMOLO MILLO THE TA? So. If you look to the right of you. Yeah. It's a very good analogy. The last thing I'll mention with this one is because we haven't mentioned it yet. I was looking over I'm debbie pulling up for these episodes and I realize we have not mentioned that Pama is by Maria. Bamford. Who we love at the television so you're Maria back. Just, in case I. Don't know how many more Panama Pama, centric episodes are gonNA come up in the run I don't really remember. So in case we don't say in future episodes. Maria Bamford. Great Maria. Bamford. Let's move on to our next though, and that is where we get our big like. Group fight and. Things are happening. We get the mystery and the reveal of Iway and everything. But for me, it's just all about the central fight scene and it's really it's really terrific and I just can't. I mean I don't remember if this happens I. assume it does I. don't remember if it happens but I cannot wait for when bullying finally metal bends. It's GonNa be great are good boys trying Elson author, t i. what did you think of the within? So exciting re at one of the. The terror within the terror with him. Is Crazy when that giant poll showed up. It. was really bracing. Reminded me a lot of some of the early great sequences in. CORRE NBA quieten Were in that it felt thoughtful felt like they were all actively problem solving, which is to me one of the marks of a truly great fight sequence in any medium If you can watch people sort of solving problems on the fly and and making the best of a terrible situation it was so satisfying to see sue and Lynn doing their thing together. That was really pretty great. Even if they backslid for a little bit there at the end, it was still an I'm sure they'll be quite a desktop about that, but it was still really nice to just see them together and doing their thing. And I'm very into Boland time. which is a lot like dame time my favorite time for basketball. Bowling time is definitely named time. That's great. He's Clutch Lynn is clutch. Big Thumbs up for me. I liked both these upsets a lot Knowledge think. So watching this, I was struck by just. Might my favorite thing about this episode in addition to the action sequence, which I think is really generally well done in Wilson rewarded while directive and has a bunch of really neat elements that pay off like that. That clutch shot that you mentioned that that Alison mentioned that Berlin does which is great. But the other thing I really really liked about it is that. Given how the fight works. The episode goes to great lengths to show that Sahira and his. Comrades. no-one to cut and run they don't try to make last stand. They don't try to eke out a victory. It's just now this is this is this is a lose lose situation. If we stay here, it's time to go. And that shows like a degree of restraint and professionalism in this kind of an organization that you don't often get with these kinds of like super villain team ops you get someone who wants to push the envelope but everyone's on the same page and I think that's just really scary especially for. Opposite someone Cora who's just like, oh no I'm going to go get them and she's like, no, you need a plan. They were clearly very well organized. So I, really like all of that and I think that the ways in which that the fight gets resolved to demonstrate to push them to that point of we've lost target it's time to leave as opposed to we're GONNA try to get her again. Within the same. Set piece basically. Just speaks to how clearly motivated they are even if we don't know what those are. So I really like on that that level of just kind of establishing a more even more character self than what we've gotten before with them when they do these sorts of operations. The other thing I really really like about it however is i. always involvement because up to this point, it's been like four for Weirdos in super prisons doing something but now. Someone else's involved and he's in on the plan. He's got a bomb. He's got booby-trapped Escape Tunnel. He's got all this stuff. And suddenly, this is a much bigger conspiracy than four people and that should be really scary but the episode really gently underplays that concept because everyone's focused here and figuring out the way thing. So this idea that there's something bigger play that there are more actors involved in just these four is a big deal I think but it's handled really deathly like I think and so I, really really like that aspect of it as well. And then yeah. So I think it's just really really good and I really like it might only sticking point. My only sticking point is I'm confused at how lava bending doesn't evaporate. Me was water arms like it doesn't make sense to me that she still has water spivey that fight because it seems very hot over there. Yeah. Yeah. There's that to consider that doesn't make any sense at all, but maybe speaks to the power of their lava bender that she's able to control the direction of the heat such that it announced does no no, he can't. He's. He's he's more brute force type he seems like the Brute Force One. On the crew. I forget his name hey on. I haven't up here somewhere or a gazillion. so He seems brute force. Yeah. You know you'RE A. So yeah. I don't think it. Exactly. It looks really cool. Yes. Margaret says I like that they won that the team Corre t maps are one. So often you have a fight against the villains at this point of the season, the villains win just to show how dangerous they are. So Nicer version therapy also had some nameless benders actually be effective which I noted as well, Marcus and then Martinez. As soon as they said, it was an inside job I immediate thought it would be the guy who can sense the truth in will be the key figure in finding the traitor So here's my thing about I. At the end of the episode and I think you make an excellent point that this highlights that the hearings group are smart they're. Smart in their patient and that is makes much much more dangerous and Cora is not a making the wisest choices certainly at the end of the episode so having. The only thing that she really knows about about sue is that she seems cool. She's a really good medal bender. And she didn't know that her number like two or three in command was a traitor and working against them so like maybe you should listen to. Lynn. The person that you know as good judgment even if she's been having some family issues around her sister. Is just so raw at the end the episodes yelling at my TV court. What note know what do this bad idea? Did you guys have any other thoughts about about this upset about. scary. I like I really enjoy the moment between varick and Monaco like it's nice to acknowledge exactly what a piece of shit. The has even if you remains really fun to watch The air bender detector was. Shot an bed into. It's very, very funny it reminds me of those things you see it. Tourist Traps in specifically in the provincial of Michigan, is what I'm thinking. But I'm sure you can find many places where it's like this is a country weather predictor. If it's wet, it's raining if it's called, it's snowing the you'll see it'll it'll be like a rope or a belter like. something, silly like that and it's goofy and whatever. It reminded me of that. you know what people buy. Specific Pool and I really appreciate it. You know what I'm talking now I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. I spent a lot of my childhood in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I've been to every rural tourist trap that the State of Michigan has offer they sell a lot of this Nolan thousand said. Not. Just thought it was the last episode that aired on TV, which is a great way to go out like a solid episode to never be back on TV again for the rest of the season on. But yeah. So on that elegant transition, why don't you tell us a bit about obviously I know about this 'cause I was watching we were watching it at the time. But Allison sure. Many of our listeners do not know about this. So what? What was going? Okay. So let's like I need about all the way up to like the sort of this sort. This season is that. Book three got a big flashy cool trailer. A week later nickelodeon like it's coming out. That trailer did not have released eight. It was just a trailer There was no COMECON like build up for like they've been they had been doing for the first two seasons. And then they're just like here's a trailer the next week it's going to come out with three episodes and we're going to episodes week and all of that is because maybe because Monday nick nickelodeon Spanish spanish-language branch. Accidentally. Leaked dubbed versions of basically like the for six episodes book three. And they all ended up online where they were taunted gift. They got fan subzero quickly you could watch them on Youtube. They were just out there and main branch nickelodeon panicked basically pushed all out. As, quickly as possible to try to get ahead of that except kept happening. The absence kept getting leaked even though they were staying ahead of they were trying to stay ahead getting leaked anyway so that all kept happening over the cross across the first couple of weeks some season three. at this point Nickelodeon went yet your off the schedule just yanked it and there was no explanation. They're zero explanation for what happened for why they pulled it off. So Kinetico, and let's go Michael De Martino through their respective social media platforms like. It's not canceled. We promise it is not canceled. We will talk to you about it a comic con, but it is not canceled but it is also moving strictly digital. So you can only watch it on nickelodeon website or you can only buy up. Through your preferred. Digital platforms. So at the time, this was in like two thousand fourteen. So and on the nineteenth were basically the only place to buy stuff Maybe Google play I don't remember if that was up I, think it was up by then. Anyway episodes nine through thirteen the schedule didn't exist online. The reasons being people kind of assumed. One of three things I being nickelodeon cited ratings issue that the show just wasn't doing well enough to justify staying on the air. They'd already bought and paid for these episodes and book for was already like halfway through production at this point. So. We might as well. The other reason is that they were just they were tired of chasing episode leaks some just like screw it. It doesn't matter. We're going to minimize damage as much as possible and they're. So we're going to deal with about like the third thing I can't get into yet. We will know what the third thing is when we get to it which I think happens tomorrow. But we will get that third thing, but it basically amounts to weird content shift of tone that the show just becomes. Let's say a little more adult than maybe nickelodeon was comfortable with which leads to larger questions about nickelodeon not paying attention to this production in any way shape or form which either speaks to Nickelodeon lack of oversight or the fact that just. Trust cadets go di Martino to produce something that was going to be in line with nickelodeon brand standards, and then they kind of went a little dark. A little intense, but we'll see that I think next. I think we see that tomorrow 'cause this was upset eight, right? Yeah. Yes. So I'm talking about episode ten I think. So we'll see you'll. You'll know what I'm talking about when you watch. But all of this is to say that Nickelodeon just pulled it. And this continued into book for. where it was only available digitally for half of before, and then like the last four to five episodes of Iraq actually on TV. It's a wild story in so weird but there are various conspiracy theories about why and everything, but it basically just amounts to. Nickelodeon, just what to do with it and then they cut the budget for season for. Two season production So. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. So the assess it's a mess. I was I benefited from the fact that I had screeners for all three and I think almost all book work. So the shifted bother me that much. But for a lot of people, it was just like there is. No good way to watch it anymore aside from if you had regional. To calm. But if you didn't have regional access nick DOT COM to buy it, which is awful. So yeah, it's it was all very weird and it was all really really scary when it was happening yet remember when like, Oh, no, it leaked online was saying that yes studios worried about like I I at the time even I remember feeling like. You know that most people are not watching it online, right? Most people are just GonNa sit at their TV and watch. So like I know these game of thrones episodes leaked, but you're still going to be the highest rated show on TV on Sunday. So why are you freaking out about screeners? I mean I don't know do you have any thoughts on this? Feel like maybe I should wait for whatever the third thing is. I, really don't think that the third thing influence their decision making all that much but you can see how it would have. Okay. but I really don't think it was that I've literally think nickelodeon was just stressed because the US were getting the episodes two early. On. An were watching it with commercials. which is weird because when you watched, Nick Dot. com there were fewer commercials. And you still had to pay, you still have to pay back the money to the advertisers because they didn't get the slots that they paid for. I, mean. It's I feel like I shouldn't. You know be looking at this through lenses of now but it because. They're not oracle's can't blame somebody for not knowing what the future is going to be lake. But at the same time. Wow is that a misread You know. it's hard not to imagine that the show would be much bigger and more profitable for them. Now, if it had more legs when it aired initially like obviously it's having a wave right now and it's getting that Netflix's bomb which is great but it is hard not to think that it wouldn't have been a bigger bump. Only, add just done right by the show. In the first place we have if people the more people who watched it initially the more he will go. Oh i. What I was GONNA. Show it to my like and get the Netflix's bump that way, which is what's been happening. So yeah, one hundred percent alison yeah. Well it was just such a weird situation and one of the other things about it. I was just kind of struck by the fact that they didn't have any other way to like really like they just had their website because Viacom mom and individual individual like streaming platforms company based streaming platforms just weren't in the eater yet and you can just drop it on Netflix though I will say that books one two at this point were available on prime. Video through Amazon at least book one was So people could watch if they had a prime membership, they could watch that one for free But I think to came out sometime on prime for free at that point. But books three and four were never available on prime to my knowledge but books wanted to work which again, just really weird streaming license things that continue to this day. But at this point in time, we're just weird just really weird. Will Markaz wants to know so it was also one of the first five or ten streaming shows, and if you're talking about non independent or Youtube Kinda things as far as a a main show like A. Young was pretty early. Yeah. I think. So like I mean when you think about like house of cards, Hasek occurred premiered. Because I think I was writing about book three after I moved out of my mom's house. Pretty sure. That was twenty fourteen moved out then and so yes, it was probably one of those because like Hasek or thirty existed. I. Think Oranges didn't black had already started long by definitely already existed and been on Netflix Longmire my thinking Lillehammer. I think he's you yet look very different one about the like Western sheriffs one about that guy from the Sopranos going to Lillehammer. House of cards. Dropped in the beginning of February twenty thirteen. So yeah. So so yeah, Marcus was probably one of the first ones to be streaming only but in a very sort of weird way of thinking about it like you could argue that like some like it depends on how you want to find it because there are like those web sewed episodes of Astra Galactica that kind of comprised like a mini season but that was trans media storytelling that wasn't the pain So yeah, I think that's a really interesting point marcus that never really considered before and definitely core is not in that conversation about that kind of streaming history. In part because it originally aired on TV I, which is why we don't count. Hammer or as first netflix original. Because it was on, TV I for like a season or however whichever show I'm thinking of. That predates how you're thinking. You're thinking of Hammer I I'm pretty sure Well. Thank you for that information and that context Noel are you ready for our episodes for tomorrow? We're tomorrow. We were talking about chapter nine episode nine, the stakeout and episode ten long live the Queen so alison predictions. Okay well. I've kind of tipped my hand a little bit on accident. So I apologize for that get into your I'm not GonNa joke about that one. I'M GONNA I was trying to think about what would nickelodeon Not, want to air that someone could reasonably. About including Don't don't don't worry that too much like I had I was like what is talking about and it was like Oh yeah. Oh. Yeah. I could see how they wouldn't like that. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. I'm guessing that we get a character deaths. That's my guess in Long, live the queen live die et Cetera et however based on the title of the next one I assume this is going to be a lot like the sting and that we're going to get promised something really cool and fun and like procedurally, and then it's not actually going to happen. So I'm my perdition for the sting is that there will not be a sting. The victim of this out is that Monaco is GONNA be less. Yes my was so helpful. He was an actual cop in this episode he was my actually you know what? We'll spread the blame a little bit. We'll say that they're preparing for their stakeout, which then doesn't happen because Berlin thinks ooh i. got that other shot off I. I can give this out and jumps out of the place they're hiding in yells Bowlin time, and then hit somebody in the forehead with a tiny pebble. Came combustion vendors that doesn't matter. Yes Okay well, anything else you would like to. Know I feel like I'm too much. Okay. I'm looking forward to the conversation so I'll leave it there too, and tomorrow we'll talk about episodes nine intense. So thank you to Marcus for hanging with us today. Thank you for listening back tomorrow. I? Ice.

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WMW Georgina Cohen 1st female international Skeleton athlete for Israel

Women Making Waves Podcast

16:13 min | 11 months ago

WMW Georgina Cohen 1st female international Skeleton athlete for Israel

"You're listening to women making waves. Suzy. Winter sports you like you're skiing and whatnot don't you I do? So. How do you find see laying on a tree going head I don't a very fast I. See rink no I could do it nor actually never be able to do that I. Think Gina Shoshana Cohen is incredibly brave lady we had a really lovely time talking to we not yes we did she's really into the sports isn't she? It's called. Skeleton and effectively lying on on on a tray, going down these rinks at breakneck speeds, and she's absolutely dedicated to the sport isn't she? She is and she's hoping to compete in the Winter Olympics in Beijing in twenty twenty two she is an amazing lady and we hope you'll really enjoy this interview that Linden s an isotope did with Georgina Shanna Cohen. Trick tracking the whole else. Whistler in Canada to two thousand ten. Thank you for impex yet. So reaching speeds, I think my top one I ever reach one, hundred, sixty, three, point eight now, which is approximately. Five Miles Nowa-. Today we meet Georgina Shoshana Cohen, who is an online communications officer for Cambridge Judge Business School. How other role in international skeleton athlete competing for Israel and mission is to become the first ever female skeleton athlete to qualify for the Winter Olympics at a target is Beijing twenty. Twenty Georgina was the first female to compete in the world championships for Israel. Welcome to women making ways to Gina Hello Terry Nice to have you here, how did you get to be a skeleton athlete or well? This is probably the most of the story it was my dodge here Angie's me to the ice pool. The age of fifty sided that if the a great idea to take up Bobsleigh if you think cool runnings it's when there's an ice track and people run. You are the two mono form on run as fast as they can and jump in this roquette kind of thing, and three themselves down ice track on white dot started doing this fifty. Years Old, I went to watch him one day a new way in Lillehammer icon of go inspired I guess by the Sports Mess Amazing people and a couple of years. Later, I was offered to get on a sled in two thousand fourteen. That was the first time I had a guy my dad knew the forces very, well Scott us in his. Sister. Sport It's the one he's instead of going down the rocket go out on a teacher and head fast with your face inches off the ice and one of his friends from the circuit was a coach said, we've got a sled for week and he coached the navy's got us in team and I had guy instantly hooked and then they invited me back like the following year and they kind of adopted me for few years and I got really close with the forces teams. How did she become? So instantly hood what was so appealing about it. Goodness so much to Scott us. In I think the fest some you ever do it. I've never felt fit in my life. It kind of hit me just before my coach said that it's time to get on the sled and I had to climb over this ice wall into this ice track. This concrete is so hard and I walk the track and have a look at it and they say, okay, you're going to be. Up here like three or four meters on the flat of this wall like going round this corner, sixty miles an hour I think that suddenly hit me as told just lie down and I thought well, have not had to go at this. You can't stop but then I did it at, he let go and the sensation of speed and almost having to let go of control was absolutely amazing and then I finished in this. Forty seconds go from like corner for the first time you do it. You still have about fifty or sixty miles an hour going the finishing straight where it slows you down, you come to a stop just get this huge adrenaline vast and obviously I had some of my friends wasting it the boss of having such a good experience I first week with the Camaraderie and everything with the vote. AP's got us in team was. Probably. What pushed me to keep going and having that invites gay back and to be a part of that team. So I just kind of progressed as an amateur Erin Year. Before last I bought my own kit which enabled me to kind of start doing it more as a solo athletes, and then last season I was recruited by team Israel on those little skeleton, the actual kit that you have the tea tree as the. That was quite expensive. Wasn't it? Yeah. This guy quite hard to get hold of the year NFL bronze in the wild and mine's an entry level competition slide and me about six. K.? I think the beginning of last season. So yeah, it's it's made the outsides fiberglass and then inside you've got is nicknamed skeleton. What's coolest Guy Johnson nicknamed t trae because of the inside of the sled looks a little bit like it's. Got Us in say have plates inside like shoulder blades and paddles where you stay with your shoulders and your knees the Middle Paul, there's a saddle. So basically, two pieces of metal will come up and let kind of case around the middle and that's how you kind of give onto the slad. It kind of holds you in new hold onto as you're going down that looks a bit like ribcage. So hadn't the name skeleton. Not a break sight. No I I think that you think about is, how do I Guy Foster? So even the tape is there is I think that we. Just thinking by going ahead. I analyzed track. Do you do you close your eyes when you go down? Well. The way she something happens at the end. Yeah I have done before. Team. But So generally don't tend to get into trouble say obvious you're supposed to keep your Isaiah. Can help you stare at a little bit so. Every movement of your head can help change the airflow, which is all about aerodynamics. Kind of looking wheel going is really critical and but not only just so you can see where you're going but like to try and help. You do all occasionally like into Harry situations that I think that you to close your eyes a little bit. It's not recommend. How fallen off a few times is horrible experience to have I. think that the fear of falling his was she falling officer Everything every time I pulled it off. It's because I don something really silly. First Time I advocate off was on a really really difficult track I. Did it in one of the easiest corners how did happen but yeah, this year I'm like progressively is a lot less say that's pretty good and things when you fall actually is you're not supposed to let go of your sled because it's more like more dangerous to let go of it than to hold onto. It. Yes. It hurts. You get bruised but you just kind of slide around a couple of corners on your belly and stop. We've established that when you were younger that you played football in primary school, you've done boxing. Yeah. You go against all the stereotypical moments where women which is fantastic. It really is in your blood business sport. Yes. So when you tested out skeleton I suppose it was the most natural thing to do because you loved it well I think. I d. like adrenaline sports I guess that's Like speeds. Now, at the moment, you lead a double life you work at the judge business school and then off to work. When do you start your training? You'll find me in the after work. Pretty much every day him. So we are the strength and conditioning couple of times a week, and then slightly lifting weights in the gym. And trying to improve my explosive power or then goes towards the star. So that's some training and then a couple of sprint and sessions that we T. And then obviously, a Winter Games Gordon into to slide. But as for things like diet, as well as recruits to cats something that I want to progress more with say when I was out in whistler for my training stint in January three to launch. Yeah I got a chance to be really close to other professional athletes and that's something you was. Have Grease no dairy whilst I liked them, they didn't like me. Might diets genuine genuinely, very healthy and Yeah I've done a lot to make sure that on the best athletes that I can be. The life of an athlete is really important to follow a certain Diet. Isn't it? Yeah I mean it's almost as cruisers as the training, the physical training that you do. Yeah and it's really it's very important that because of all the doping testings that have you have to be really on it. So for instance, I consciousness down to the pharmacy and buy some length zip because. Its is crossed. Performance Enhancer So you have to check out what's on like legal drugs list on my all of my parents from specific websites all satisfied so that you don't get caught out on social media alone the fact that you're using hashtags like. Fast and female. Women in sport. Great, actually, because you're really advocating women in sports, aren't you? Yeah I think I think that one of my goals as. Like wellstone competing and training for the huge dream is that like I do want to be part of the changing perceptions, women's sports, things are changing in the right direction like Chairman I love. And I think that that there is still kind of some steak Moore against it and like shouldn't if Wason things or. What's perceived as a women's sport best the man's Sport and that works both ways have you experienced resistance to women doing certain sports or dating weightlift weightlifting? So I think that it's more the perception of water is safe. Boxing's a really good example. It's like, I, I had so many comments y you do boxing like you've got a nice news or you don't want to mess up your pretty face. Oh. That's not cool. Kind of sit I think is quite a gender neutral sport and I do really that. One of the positive things that have happened recently is that previously it was for the Olympics Thirty Men's bought and twenty women spot but that changing it for the twenty twenty, two Olympics so that it's equal. So it's twenty five men sports twenty five minutes. And you know, I think that's a really good step in the right direction. Oh, you brave you think Georgia do you think you'll very brave? Stupid. Question say. Extremely. Brave. Would you perceive yourself as being brave I think the before I did Scott's nor for instance, I tell you it really liked very cases slow things like that I think that got us in is a huge element of mental challenge on getting to the start line and you staring down this track that's going to take you for a ride and you're going to try and get down. You've you've studied it. You've practiced. You've you've done everything you can you got to go and try and execute everything within inches on ice hitting speeds of eighty miles an hour, and I think that the kind of preparation that's gone into that. So Yeah the answer is absolutely yes. I will keep pushing myself. You come across challenges the surprising and you you just have to take on and do it and over it under family. Owned the dots obviously very sporty because he's into Bob Sleep. Is a thing in your family history of of your family being really interested in sport. Yes, I think that out my whole family, we all love sports. I've grown up with my mom horse riding my granddaughter on my Dad's side. He was Jewish and lived in India at the time and he competed in the Indian hockey team. And he qualified Olympics and he was going to be going but they were in Berlin jury time on the engine hockey team. They didn't let him go because of the dangers. There were two Jewish people time and I think that's very understandable Ashley they're probably digging a huge favor really. Yeah. So he he did contested and he really wanted to go but the result was he didn't get go which was very saad for him the suit that you have to wear for your skeleton outfits. How tight? How uncomfortable is it is it looks uncomfortable yeah say my superheroes. Is. Shoot name if the style is called the Evanger Last time I got into was a bit like it was may jumping up and down in the living room I think it was going to fit but then did fit perfectly and I think that there's such a cool feeling like a nice feeling when you get into Raysut because you have your training, you just feel fast the suits not very thick. So if you hit the wall, it does her an UTICA is. Bond, but it does take kind of it's all aerodynamic. Every single thing that goes in just got us and you have to see is going to make me coster some of the suits that go people were so highly engineered. The one that I I wear is as well but at the moment, I haven't got a seat is like specifically fitted for me that's all my shopping list. Is it difficult to the loop and? You. Definitely. You get changed. The I always have like a very good routine of like. My warm up gains. The bathroom before putting on my c is always. You are looking for sponsorship at the moment. Aren't you because you're trying to feel picks to to Olympics? Yeah. In his formula is nicknamed Formula One ice so it's definitely not export investment in the COMP- into it is going to help you say five self-funded but I think the most important thing that I can give myself. This season is time time on the ice time to train and to really dedicate and commit to the sport I was reading. So lucky so far that the business go have been extremely supportive of me taken on my annual leave and to compete in the European Cup last year Warsaw's is working out there. I was working on line and I've been really lucky to have the opportunity I. think that the Beijing Twenty, twenty two just thoughts achieve so much so far. But the sponsorship will enable me to for the right support the right equipment at. Betty's dedicate as a fulltime the into investing competitive advantages say sled develop new technologies and private coaching. Say these things at the moment I don't have access to and costs on season on the ice say track fees and training but off the ice during summer to be able to train and and concentrate on being George, the athlete is is exactly can afford it will go towards and I'm looking now for corporate sponsors and individuals who might be interested in supporting me on the journey Luciano. Risley. Had Her tea tray, which is what you use your. She had it made by the F. One team, MCLAREN? Yes. If you had an opportunity to have a tea tray, which team which. Would I choose Ferrari just because it sounds fall Often better. Really. Good. Also, if Ferraris listening, we hope that they can come on. We're GONNA Hashtag them into what to Ya. Not Pink. Well actually this is fantastic Georgina Shoshana. Cohen. Thank you very much. Indeed Skeleton Athlete. We hope you do fantastically well, the next five years and years. Coming. Great shots. That was Georgina. SHESHONA CO in talking to Linda Ness and SUSIE THORP?

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January 6, 2020: Nancy Kerrigan Attacked

Today in True Crime

15:54 min | 1 year ago

January 6, 2020: Nancy Kerrigan Attacked

"I today is Monday. January sixth twenty twenty on this day in nineteen ninety four Olympic figure skater. Nancy Kerrigan was assaulted after a practice session in Detroit Michigan the attack knocked her out of the national figure Skating Championships APPs clearing the way to the Olympics for her biggest rival Tonya harding. Welcome to today and true crime. Apar- cast original today. We're covering the assault on twenty four year old. Nancy Kerrigan Oregon at the nineteen ninety. Four National Figure Skating Championships Aka the knee bashing heard round the world. Let's go back active. Cobo Arena in Detroit Michigan on the afternoon of January. Sixth Nine thousand nine hundred ninety four. Ah Nancy was focused as she made her way around the ice rink she was wearing an all white lace skating. Dress press one of our favorites on her final turn around the ice. She launched into a double axel and landed perfectly on her her right leg. It was a beautiful jump. She was ready. She was ready for tomorrow's nationals and she was ready for the delillah Hammer Olympics in February Nancy coasted to the edge of the ice where her coach. Evie stood waiting with with a bottle of water and her skate guards. Evie praised her performance. If was worthy of the reigning national champion. She was sure to win the gold again this year then Olympic gold. Nancy smiled and took a poll on the water bottle. She slipped the skate guards on on her blades and stepped off the rink. One step at a time. She told Evie she headed toward the locker room to get cleaned up evie and and his wife. Mary followed but then Mary ran into someone she knew when she stopped to talk to her friend. evy stayed behind with her. Nancy kept going. She slipped behind a blue cloth privacy curtain which blocked the hallway to the dressing room. Suddenly a tall man in a black leather coat stepped through the curtain behind her. He was huge six feet tall and at least two two hundred pounds. He charged at Nancy whipping out a metal baton. Then he smashed it into Nancy's right leg just above her kneecap. She screamed and fell to the ground overcome with pain. She looked up at the strange attacker and cried. Out Why I'm me but he didn't answer. He just ran bystanders chased after the attacker but before they could catch up he crashed through a plexiglas door to escape once outside he hopped into a waiting getaway car. Then they peeled off. Witnesses couldn't agree on what the attacker looked like. Some insisted he was white others that he was black. The Detroit police were perplexed just unsure. What kind of description to write down in the hallway? Nancy was left rocking back and forth on the ground clutching her right leg and crying. Ice Rink medics rushed to help. They couldn't understand what had happened. She the explained through sobs that someone had hit her knee. Nancy wept and shook in anguish. Eventually her dad scooped her up off the floor as he carried her to the medical room. She Croaked it hurts. It hurts so bad I'm so Scared as the doctors examined Nancy's leg every winds filled her with more and more rage even even if it wasn't broken her knee was ruined and it was her landing leg she wouldn't skate and tomorrow's nationals. She might right never skate again. Lillehammer was probably her last chance at the Olympics at gold medal and some crazy man in a leather trenchcoat had just stolen it from her it was unfathomable Nazi. See wondered. Who would do something like this a crazed fan little did she know that before long? Authorities would suspect Act Nancy's biggest rival. Tonya harding coming up. The aftermath of the attack on Nancy Kerrigan now back to the story on January Sixth Nineteen Ninety four twenty four year old. Nancy Kerrigan was attacked after a practice session at Cobo Arena in Detroit Michigan. She was there for the nineteen ninety four. US figure skating championships which would serve as the qualifying event for the Lillehammer Olympics that February in Norway as New York Times reporter Michael Jonoski the ski wrote in his coverage of the event. Besides Carrigan the victims were fair play and sportsmanship as the January six attack revealed. reveal the dark desperate motives that sometimes drive people to break rules and laws as a shortcut to fame or fortune or Org. Both the attack didn't break any bones but Nancy's knee was severely bruised. She certainly couldn't compete at nationals. There were those who suspected that her rival Tonya harding was behind the attack and indeed with Nancy out of the picture. Tanya won the gold medal at the nineteen ninety four national championships. She had an automatic spot on me Olympic team team. Normally the second spot would go to the silver medallist thirteen year old Michelle Kwan. But the association decided to take a closer look the bylaws for Nancy Kerrigan Sake. Michelle was young. She'd surely get another Olympics but Nancy. This was her last chance and everyone felt like she'd been robbed of her opportunity. The LILLA Hammer Games were just weeks away. Nobody could say for certain that Nancy would be in shape in time to compete but she was resolute she would be ready. Put Her on the team. The committee agreed the week after the attack. Three men were arrested Shawn Eckhardt. Derrick Smith Jeff and Shane stand stand was the one who actually swung the Baton Eckhart and Smith had helped organize the hit and they claimed did they were hired by Jeff. gloomily Tonya harding's ex-husband. According to Eckhart Smith and stand Nancy's attack was was a massive conspiracy to make sure Tanya went to the Olympics at first Jeff and Tanya denied denied any and all involvement but unknown to them Eckhart had recorded one of his meetings with Jeff discussing the details of the attack back. There was no denying that Jeff Guli was involved. The only question that remains then was whether or not Tanya was involved volved. She claimed she knew nothing about the attack before it happened and quickly distanced herself from Jeff announcing their separation but the suspicion suspicion raged on fueled by daily headlines about Tanya's alleged involvement as the FBI worked to determine termine the truth the Lillehammer Olympics were fast approaching. The question on. Everyone's mind was whether or not Tanya would still be allowed to compete. Beat if she plotted to attack one of her teammates could she really skate alongside her but Tanya didn't care she had broken doc in any laws and hadn't been convicted of any crime yet which meant that. She had every right to skate. In the Olympics. She gave a press conference on January Twenty Seventh Nineteen Ninety four stating despite my mistakes and my rough edges. I have done nothing thing to violate the standards of excellence and sportsmanship that are expected in an Olympic athlete. I have devoted my entire life to one objective. I've winning an Olympic gold medal from my country. This is my last chance I asked only for your understanding and the opportunity ready to represent my country with the best figure skating performance of my life but it was a wish that wasn't and to be with the constant swarm of press and attention. Tanya spent the month leading up to the Lillehammer Games in a fog of stress and on suspicion journalists called her house and knock on her door at all hours of the day she was barely able to sleep let alone get her head in the game name. Her home rink was in public mall. Every jump of every practice was accentuated with dozens of camera shutters and flashes and as soon as she stepped off the plane in Lillehammer the attention grew tenfold. The world was laser focused on on the ladies figure skating competition waiting to see what these two rivals would do on the ice or perhaps to each other figure skater Erin commentator. Brian Boitano said let's face it. People will watch Tonya and Nancy to see if they get in a fistfight. It's terrible in the end. It was anti-climactic Tanya gave one of the worst performances of her career. She finished in eighth place. Ace Nancy Kerrigan who managed to rehab her leg in time to compete skated a perfect short program and nearly flawless free re-skate. Everyone watching expected her Herculean recovery to be rewarded with a gold medal but sixteen year. Old Ukrainian Indian Skater. Oxana by. You'll manage to slip ahead. In the final moments of her free skate. Oksana added three extra jumps giving her the boost. She needed to edge out Nancy. She went home with the Gold Nancy with the Silver Tanya with nothing after the Olympics. Tonya harding pleaded guilty to conspiring to hinder the prosecution. She admitted she knew as early as January tenth. That Jeff Gillooly was involved in the attack on Nancy and had failed to report at the information to the police. A Class C felony. She was sentenced to three years probation. Five hundred hours of community service and find one hundred sixty thousand dollars the US figure skating association stripped her of the Nineteen Ninety four National National Championship win and revoked her membership in the association she was barred from skating in any USFSA sponsored event for life as Tanya put it her life was over she said truthfully. I don't remember much about anything. After the Olympics picks because I lost everything that was pretty much the worst thing that could ever happen to me. Ironically the scandal between Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya harding renewed interest in the sport of figure skating. The nineteen ninety four four Lilla Hammer Olympics were one of the highest viewed games in history and forty eight point. Five million viewers tuned in to watch the women's ends competition a number comparable to super bowl ratings ticket. Sales at ICECAPADES and skating competitions shot up endorsement deals for figure skaters increased tenfold. It was a massive boon to the sport and Tanya was on the outside looking in barred from from participating in any of it to this day Tanya denies any involvement in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan and she says she knew only after the fact yet they're still pervasive public opinion that she was directly involved. Some people bull even believe that she was the one to commit the knee bashing journalist. Sarah Marshall addressed this in her article on the attack and aftermath titled Remote Viewing she wrote as for Tanya's claims about her own innocence in the plot itself any attempt to dismiss her version out out of hand somewhat falls apart once one realizes that the dominant version of the story. The story the press picked up and popularized and the story that endured largely for that reason was Jeff's Tania's version of events is implausible only because it contradicts the story. We've we've been familiar with for the last twenty years. Thanks for listening to today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more on Tonya. Harding Checkout Har- cast original sports criminals which dives deeper into her story. Today the and true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already already. Have all of your favorite music put now. spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today and true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today and true crime in the search bar at podcast. Our cast were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram. At podcast and twitter at podcast network will be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original. It's executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound designed by Andy Weights with production assistance by Ron Shapiro parley madden and Freddie Beckley. This episode of today and true crime was written by Abigail Cannon. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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EP151 - TORVILL AND DEAN

The Adam Buxton Podcast

1:03:13 hr | 3 months ago

EP151 - TORVILL AND DEAN

"I did one more gye cost band now. You see that cost out and started listening. I took my microphone bounce human then i recalled it all the noise while i name as at buxton i want you to enjoy. That's the hey how you doing podcasts. At buxton here join today. In the fields of east anglia. By rosie buxton huff whippet half poodle. All great friend. Rosie is up ahead still on the mend after about the ill-health a few weeks back a little bit up and down. But she's much perkier on the whole. I imagined that she's pretty pleased that she has somehow wangled a fulltime spot on the marital bed. My wife's very happy about it too. Oh it's so nice having have She's so sweet. She's no trouble. She calls up. Yeah kind of didn't get that much sleep last night. Because she was called up right in the middle of my side i kept on waking up to find a role. Luxuriously stretched out reminded me of when the children were small. Which i suppose is quite nice but little bit uncomfortable. But what's the weather like buckles. Well i would say that's how the weather full costs will be in the future just annoys fool and today it's after a few very spring days. It's gone massively gray like a blank day anyway. Luckily i'm able to plug the grayness with a riot of podcasting color. Courtesy of my guests today for podcast number one hundred fifty one. They are of course. The english ice dont says and former british european olympic and world champions jayne torvill and christopher dean they. The first sports people to have appeared on the podcast. I'm sure they're not the first people who like sport that i've spoken to even though some of you may know. Sport is fairly low. Priority for me but i think they might be the first professional sports people on the podcast so far of facts. Jane age sixty. Three's speak hope chain doesn't mind me mentioning her age at the top there. I mentioned the age of many of my guests as regular listeners. Will know just because i don't know i just like knowing people's h. Doesn't really change the way. I behave towards the my hope. What does it anyway. Jane grew up nothing. Uk where she skated from the age of eight eventually partnering up with christopher dean when she was eighteen christopher currently aged sixty two grew up in lancashire leaving school aged sixteen to become a police cadet not long after joining the force. He met jane at the nottingham ice rink and once they've made the decision to partner up they trained together for the next six years or so. It didn't all happen on the same day that decision like meeting and the decision to partner up kind of sounded that way. I've written this. They trained together for the next six years or so until in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty the pair placed fifth at the winter olympics in lake placid. At which point. Chris left the police force and jane quit her job. As an insurance clock at the norwich union to concentrate full-time on the ice was gonna put a clip of ice ice baby in at this point but then i thought no just four years later at the nineteen eighty-four sarajevo winter olympics. Jane chris won gold for britain with a routine set. To the music of ravel's bolero one toll villain. Dean were awarded the perfect six goal for the routines autistic merit by every judge that year. A record that remains unbroken to this day and a cultural moment that not only helped define the nineteen eighties but is generally considered one of the greatest sporting moments of all time Cisco fun doing all. These superlatives here off to sarajevo. Jane and chris turned professional delighting audiences for the next decade with a series of ambitious ice dancing shows until in one thousand nine hundred ninety four a change to winter olympic rules that previously excluded. Professional skaters saw jane and chris returning to olympic competition. This time in the norwegian town of lillehammer and winning the bronze medal. The next few years saw jane and chris taking escape break during which time they picked up an ob to add to the m b es they'd been awarded at the world figure skating championships in one thousand nine hundred one. But in two thousand and six they were coaxed out of retirement to take part in. Itv's dancing on ice for which they served as creative directors and mentors to the contestants until two thousand fourteen and for the last few years they've been part of the judging panel my conversation with jane and chris took place via the zoom at the beginning of july last year. Two thousand and twenty with jane talking to me from her home in east sussex where she lives with her husband and two children while chris. Also father of two grown-up sons was at his home in colorado springs. Usa oft finding out how they'd been doing during the first months of the covid pandemic. i asked them about how. The journey is sporting legends began and they also told me about the secrets of maintaining their magical chemistry and negotiating the stresses and strains of double-act dynamics. And i got to pass on a few gushing comments from torvill and dean mega fan. My wife but we began by establishing how we came to be in touch in the first place back at the end with a little bit awful but right now with tool villain d here we go contract from. It's nice to meet you. Thank you so much for doing this. I feel i know you add them. 'cause i've been listening to podcasts for the last few months having locked down so i was going up for bike rides or walk two hikes and you accompanying me because i was going to ask like which one this is one of the few occasions. I hope you don't mind me saying that. A guest has got in touch with me rather than the other way round. Yeah and make contact. And i love it when that happens. It has the effect of making me a little bit more relaxed. You know what. I mean. I i i feel as if absolutely half the battle has been won Always get nervous. That people are going to be buying me suspiciously going. Who's this pratt. I listened to many conversations with very smart people very falling people call. Thanks man and jane. I'm sorry you've been dragged into this. Because chris mentioned you before i have listened to a couple of the podcasts. Go and now. She will become a depot. Ot i do when. I'm in the kitchen. And i'm cooking something. So have on them. So jane you are in sussex as we speak yes where you've lived a long time i think right nineteen ninety-two. Yeah so quite a few years now. And how about you. Chris you're not in the uk. I'm in colorado springs. I've lived here for twenty one years. Now i think yeah. How did you end up there. I'm article from here right. And what's your kovic situation out there. I think it's the same as everywhere in america's experiencing a real spike at the moment. Nothing of people getting sick again or at least testing positive anyway. But where i am in the springs. It's not a city. It's sort of a a a a town and it sort of a lot of open countryside. I live on the side of a mountain. And so there's a lot of space around so you don't feel like the walls and concrete around you. It's yeah wooded areas and things like that so tv. Show the dancing on ice finished on the ninth of march. Or at least. I flew home. I think on the night of march which was a monday by friday. Everything was locking down so we were just in time for me to get back to america before they started closing doors and normally after a season like that anyway. We have downtime and so for me it was just sort of like. Oh well. I'm i'm not going out to do anything for the next however many weeks so it was sort of a bit normal having said that you know going to the store and things change completely. It's clicking collect kind of thing and i rediscovered jigsaw. Did you used to be a big jigsaw maniac. Or is this something. That's the new passion not particularly. I think as a kid you had those jigsaw. That had ten pieces in so this became a new passion. Although we've only gone through three to be honest it took a long time. i think. Get them my kids. did one. At first we managed to get a big one. They just did. I didn't do much of it. And then i found on this website that somebody sent me a link. There was some jigsaw puzzles of chris. And i think it's three of them. 'cause i thought it was funny to jigsaw of christina and when they came what was quite daunting as the backgrounds. Everything's white so you called even make the edges promptly. 'cause we're in a position but everything else is why i came up. No it's very therapeutic. That kind of thing when my children were younger and they were into lego me and my brother would get them really crazily complicated. Lego sets the biggest one being the millennium falcon. The star was like a one and it was really mainly for myself and my brother and the children didn't really get a look in. I was if x boy. When i was a kid ethics ethics model aeroplane. I was always jealous of those people at school. Because i thought how do they do. I wanted to do it. And as soon as i tried like the glue would just glue out and everything would just get glory. And they just didn't look in any way like the ones that the other kids were making especially getting the wheels to rotate on the never or the gun. Turret doesn't turn gunstone go up and down and jane. Did you ever do anything like that. You that kind of person who would make models. And how did you spend your weekends. Why are we talking. We're talking teenage years. I was like nine or ten miles doing those. Okay i was skating already since. I was sort of eight so since my yeah. My main was skating so any spare time it. Certainly the weekends was a big skating time. And was that something that came from you. Was that a passionate you discovered or your parents encouraging you to do that now knows just may One of my teachers at school at primary school said he'd be interested in going to the ice rink because we the ice rink was in the city and i lived on an estate outside of the city. So you're nothing right. Yeah and so. It seemed like a big adventure. Big group of us went on a bus went to the local rink. And i just fell in love with it from the first time you know and i loved watching other skaters who were good skaters. I kind of who watching them to see what they were doing. And seeing what could learn from them and and what was it about the experience of skating you really liked it was just that sort of gliding and freedom feel about it. Chris always says it's feels like you're flying. You're not flying but you you have that feeling. Yeah well it feels like you're flying presumably. If you're any good at it. The first time i went. I love the look of skating and The first time. I actually got onto a skating rink. The contrast between what it looked like and how it actually was was so dramatic and disappointing to me that i don. I pretty much never did it again. Because i just thought this no way you can just get on the ice and start skating. I mean i couldn't anyway but did you take to it. Naturally yourself i mean. Did you get on the ice. The first time. Jane and chris and we just able to start gliding around within that first session. Yeah yeah. I was able to feel like skating. I mean I'm not sure how good it was technically or or even aesthetically to look at. But i did have that feeling of gliding so and and being young the younger you are you afraid either. And you're not afraid of falling right and how about you chris. How did you get on smashing it. Well school i was sort of a natural athlete. I used to enjoy off. Forms of sport. Football gymnastics so that feeling of movement was always semi. But i got a pair of ice skates for christmas and i lived in a place called calverton which is about ten miles from nottingham from the ice was and to actually get into nottingham going to london or travelling abroad. It was as difficult because we didn't have a car. So it took me two weeks before i hit the ice but when i walked in this mural not my swink that's sort of hand painted but it was one of those nine thousand nine hundred fifty sort of bureau of these two skaters and there was the alps in the background just as freedom and this sort of launching into the year midair. And i just always remember that pitch of saying that looks beautiful. Because i've never been abroad or anything like that or seen mountains like that and so going from that mural in the voyeur of the ice rink and then going up the steps into the rink almost like the same feeling because it was magical. I'd never seen an ice rink before. And they wanna go onto the ice or remember minimize fell over two hundred times minimum. But that didn't put you off row. i love the. I love the excitement of it. You know the feeling of being on the edge. Finding that balance and finding that rhythm. Chris when he was young before i really knew him seeing him and he used to go flying around at high speed and like you said it used to fall over a law it never slowed down. He just kept going faster. I think my parents were social. Dances ballroom or at least must step mom and my dad and they wanted me to go and do ice skating but to do dance and i was sort of a little bit more aggressive and what i do hockey would i do speed skating. So they really encouraged me. No do the dance. Do the students. So so it's like a reverse billy elliot. You know what. I watched the play billy elliot. That was almost a replica. Somebody taking my life and put it onto the screen because it was a northern town. I think it was. Sheffield wasn't and i was from nottingham. But it's about minors and my dad was a miner. And i started skating dents when i was young and then became policeman and so when the miners strike and all of that i was on two sides. You know my dad was why he never actually hit the picket line but he had to go on strike and i was a policeman. Various places in the picket line with my big plastic shield. Keeping the miners back it. You know it was really torn. Time for me really torn. I imagine you saw a lot of very upsetting things and you know friends being pitted against each other. Pardon the pun lutely. Yeah no it was. It was a difficult time. How did your upbringing compared jane. And what was it like meeting chris. For the first time. I grew up on a council estate in nottingham. My parents both worked. My dad worked for raleigh bicycles and my mom worked. She was a machinist in the city in the lace market. It was a pretty normal upbringing. They were taught to provide for me. As i say when i first went skating the schoolteacher the time was the one that had the idea and then it was just pestering my parents and they saw all she probably Stick to this. Might just last a few weeks and they bought me a secondhand pair of skates which i had for a year before. They buy me brand new skates in case or gave up. They didn't want to waste the money because money was tight. Really you're very wise and was there a moment. Ever when one of your teachers said to your parents or someone said like hang on a second you will whitley good your unusually good you just when had to listen and that was that you know when you felt that they were pleased with you with when they were gonna put you into the next level of tests that you you could achieve. I was put together with skating partner but that was to do skating which is different to ice dancing and had a certain amount of success at a junior level as state chris with his first skating partner didn't it i mean i think to begin with the parents sort of took you there and it was sort of the leave you. They was to go shopping so it was sort of childcare situation to begin with. Leave them there. We'll go and do some shopping. Compete you up and eventually you start going. Well you get in a little bit better at this a little bit better so we'll go another day and then the parents found the social scene at the rink customer's always a ball pub connected to the rink and so the parents used to like bring the kids down and go in the bar and have a pine at least that was my dad's my dad weekly thing. Yeah i mean they go for a pilot and you'd be working away upstairs skating away doing the work and then come about nine o'clock ten o'clock the you know they had their fill of of drake and we head home. When i told my wife that you guys had been in touch. She was more excited than i've ever seen a about. A guest on my podcast. All usually she is entirely nonplussed. By what i do and doesn't really listen to the podcast. Not in a nasty way She's very supportive but often she's just busy and it but when i told her that you guys might be on she suddenly got very animated and wistful and i realized that it was a very big moment in her life. Watching you guys and not just in one thousand nine hundred four but she was also a big fan of a lot of the other bits and pieces that you did around then in the routines and mack and mabel and bonham. She started talking about. And i never realized that about her so it was a nice moment. She wrote down a few comments that she sent me. When when i said i was gonna talk to you. Okay and i'm going to read some of these to you. And then maybe. If they spark off reminiscences or whatever then we can pursue them show. She's called sarah by the way. I seldom mentioned her name. But it seems that sarah. Hi sarah hi. Sarah says i loved torvill and dean because and these are random observations. They were absolutely in time obviously key part of ice dance that they were in time but they were just right on it and i mean that's a i suppose quite an obvious observation to make but it is one of the more magical things i suppose about watching you perform. And certainly even me. Who was never sporty person. Never really interested in watching that kind of thing on tv. I saw it. I got it in one thousand nine hundred four when i was fourteen years old. Yeah i mean. I'm really have to stress that sport. No disrespect for the absolute tits me at that age. I'm sure but we all watched it. You know it was one of those moments when everyone was focused on this thing and it was so exciting. Actually it was a little bit like the two thousand twelve olympics which i also watched and got very emotional about and also seeing my parents watching it and seeing them get so emotional my dad who would normally complain about every single thing that we watched on. Tv was just wrapped you know and he was saying look at them. Look at them. They're absolutely perfectly in time. And i could see it and i was like yeah. That's cool and so. I was interested to know how that developed that level of being in sync. Did it develop over years or was it. Did it come quite quickly when you started dancing. Together i think the nature of the two of us and what we wanted to achieve and who we were went into this amalgamation of what this partnership was because we both came from very working class backgrounds. We never thought that we would rise to these heights but we had ambition and a determination just to keep doing what we were doing to get better at it. Skating was always paramount. So getting to the ice on time being responsible. And then when you're on the ice the way that you practice that appreciation for each other and you respect the other person all of these traits i think positive traits come together to make a relationship but we were an absolute team. You know we were joined at the hip from teenage years to the point when we started being to do things for ourselves and i think that comes down to when you start to earn some money and when you get transportation that sort of took on a whole new thing that we were responsible for paying for our lessons and our time on the ice and then an getting to cost you make designers finding music people that all became your responsibility so it became a business at the same time for us or life. You know it was. It was out vocation. I think to begin with you would say to teenagers coming together. But eventually the roots that you create over time and the experiences that you have together bond together. I mean we have now known each other for fifty two years. We skated together for forty seven years. We've got to that level of. I mean we call each other each day and just say. Hey hi how you and we don't need to have a long conversation but it's just the connection staying connected. I think i think also going back to the timing thing. We had a feeling of musicality within us so we could feel when we weren't in time we practice to make sure we were in time with the music but then also another thing that we quite obsessed with this that we were matching so the unison that we had was perfect so we went happy unless it was and so we would spend hours like making show the leg line matched or the arms match stole the head mashed on all those fine details. We spent hours. I was doing it. Repeating things and over nowadays is we've gotten older and we do age appropriate skating but there's still that connection. Did you also have a sense that the kind of physical synchronicity that you enjoyed extended to your said a mental connection and your your connection as friends or was it really just a kind of physical thing when you were on the ice. I think as friends we had that mental connection because we both disciplined both wanted the same thing. We wanted to be as good as we could be. You know four years before the olympics that we one we were lucky enough to go to first olympics in lake placid in one thousand nine hundred. We still didn't think well foyer time. We'd like to win the olympics. We were just lucky. That did anything ever again. We had gone to the olympics to represent our country and that was in nineteen eighty. And we didn't know what was going to happen the next year. The next year was a big breakthrough fours in one thousand nine hundred became fifth in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. We suddenly won the european and world. Championships were what happened. Is in nineteen eighty. We knew after the olympics that they were going to be at least one or two people dropout and we were fifth so we could maybe get bronze medal. The european or world championships may be and so we quit our jobs. I was a full time policeman. Jayme wet the notes union and it was a big deal because my dad used to work seven days a week as a minor didn't have a day off and then i left school actually at fifteen and a half to become a police cadet so all of my early life i'd worked. I've always woken up every morning knowing where i was going to go to. And then suddenly in nineteen eighty. We decided okay. We're going to give jobs and just concentrate on ice skating. Mood saved enough money to get us through. What we thought was six months. Maybe to the british championships. And so we're going to take that risk and one of the things that we've heard from others who we need to go and sign on. Kosovo give you money so we tried that but we were too honest he said. Are you looking for a job and we went. Oh no no we just want to trae. We've been told kind of sign on your so. They said oh no. We're not going to get any money for not how it works. So we just were working off our funds. And then was it just before the european championships. We got word from our city council. I think it was just before of that year. The nine thousand nine hundred eighty. We didn't send an olympic team to the summer olympics in moscow and so the city of nottingham put aside some money for athletes that they then couldn't spend it on anything and we'd approach the city council as well as other commercial entities for some kind of sponsorship. The problem is at that. Time was a truly amateur sport and you can receive any money for advertising in any way could donate your money but you couldn't get anything back from it but what happened. The city council came through and said we're prepared to sponsor you and they didn't want anything from it because they had this chunk of change that was going to go to the olympics and it was like fourteen thousand pounds a year for four years and feroze. That just opened up everything that we felt that we could train. Like competitors like all the russians or the eastern bloc countries were because they were either employed in the navy or the army the air force but really they were professional athletes. We got the sponsorship and then come the european championships in january of nineteen eighty-one. We won. it wasn't a third place. We suddenly found ourselves on top and our goal was to get to nine hundred eighty four to may be achieved their olympic status. But it happened for years earlier and so we are thrilled and excited. But you're now the king of the castle to stay there and the only way to go is down. Did you feel that pressure though. I think we took on that mantle and the we then try to recreate ourselves each year. A lot of skaters prior to that. You knew what they were going to look for one year to the next but we then started coming out with different themes different ideas and emperors. That was the exciting part of it is. What are we going to do for the next season. It was challenging. But at the same time when you're on top of the pile people look up to you. Yeah and so is they. Were looking up will always trying to push the boundaries of where the sport was at and so i think we became leaders for everybody else so we always tried to be original different and i think that was part of our makeup. Made is unique. We didn't keep repeating the same thing wasn't like oh this is their style. Nobody could tell what style we're going to do. And then certainly nine hundred ninety four became a little bit controversial but at the end of the day. We believe in what we were doing so much so that we stuck with it and you know it was a a winning formula. Here's another couple of comments from my wife. His short one. She says they never made any mistakes. Which meant it was relaxing to watch my wife's called a low threshold for anything stressful. Which is where she doesn't come and see me doing live shows. She says their costumes were not completely awful. Like all the blinky russian ones. That was just something. More creative tasteful about them bolero. Obviously she says but mack and mabel was good and bonham also brilliant that each piece had a story then she breaks often just writes in caps. I love them now. The comment from my wife. They looked so nice and unpretentious. I think you should have. Syra come on. I should do you have in the garden at the moment. She's been planting vegetables for the first time. And we've been eating her co jets and potatoes and spinach mazing. Sounds like the good life. They're exactly like the good life. She's a kind of combination of felicity kendal and Who felicity kendal. The posh one p key was margot. Margo penelope coach. Wasn't she and felicity. Kendal was right. It was more approachable cozy one anyway. My wife is like a combination of both. Anyway she says of you both. They looked so nice and unpretentious not drama queenie or emaciated and sad like some ice dances from countries that were notorious for putting a lot of pressure on their athletes. Now that's not the exact wording of her comment. But i had to change it. Because i'm frightened of reprisals from vladimir putin did you make an effort to come across as nice and unpretentious. Oh is that the way you were or were there. Drama queen scenes behind the scenes as it were nine. I i mean we were as chris said we would just so dedicated and into what we were doing enough to fight. We will both at that time. We were very very shy. What we just shy people. And i think when we were on the ice start. Shyness disappeared because we doing something that we knew. We rent control oven. We were living that part. Whatever story we were telling on the ice we had lots of competence and off the ice. We were very shy people. I think we were passionate on the ice and veasley would have fraught times. That were difficult. But i think we actually never left the ice with a bad tone or an argument or anything. We would have discussions. That might get a little bit heated or raised but at the end of the day knowing. Laugh from j. j. would say to me you know worse we're messing about or we're not getting something done those people behind as again on with it and so someone. Well we're arguing. Someone else's practicing so stop. Arguing to tally was better. I always say if you look. You can see jane's on my back working my mouth because back in the eighty s one of the big sports stars was john mcenroe of course yeah and his performance was really dominated by his antics and his tantrums. Yeah how did you feel as sports. People watching someone like him. For example i think nowadays people love characters. I obviously the love counters then. But that's not in our nature. I think if we tried to do something like that that you can see through falsehoods. You can see when people are being honest. And i think you can see through people that are putting on for the cameras for the show for the entertainment feroze us. Our skating had to speak for us because it was being judged by those judges and the thing about skating is you're always being judged on or off the ice and so we were mentor by our coach callaway. That was sort of miss. Jean brodie and she gave us the decorum the etiquette and things that we'd never heard of coming from nottingham and so when you're at a competition in you've got all the judges you know it's very much like strictly ballroom. Was it called where the judges are. Soda puffed up and where the blazers the cravat we come from that sort of era and they were the people that are going to get you. Yeah we'll you never like to come on the ice. You always have to skates skate. You stop you took a bow and then you had to go straight into your starting position so music came on and you finish and even though he thought wow. I really pleased with how this case it a gain. You have to be very modest. You get your hold hands. That's not there was no fist soul. And there's no hugging each other and you dislike hotels again and scare off now. And that's how we that was sort of our growing up. That was how we were groomed right anything more than that was considered a bit show off. Perhaps yes yeah and we'd look at people that maybe that we thought orbit show off your right. So i mean characters were literally when we were performing we were those people it was malcolm able. It was barnum and bailey. It was the romeo juliet bolero and jane. The music stopped. When we left the ice. I watched a couple of documentaries about you guys. And the first one i saw was called the perfect day and that was about the olympics in nineteen eighty-four four and the bolero routine then more. Recently i saw one called torvill and dean the return and that was a bbc documentary as well from nineteen ninety-four. That's an old one and that was about you competing in the one thousand nine hundred four winter olympics in lillehammer and that reminded me of what documentaries were like more in the ninety s. They always said it's the fly on the wall. We're just trying to catch capture everything so don't think about us. Which of course is nonsense. Because you know what's is. A camera microphones in the room. I mean the. Mike's not working say again. Can we just do that again. So it's not always as it seems and certainly with the cameras the size they were then as opposed to how the on. Yeah exactly. it wasn't like there was a crew with an iphone going around off to you but we were prodded. A little bit was stressful. I have to say we had taken a ten year hiatus from competing not too many olympics. Take ten years off and then come back again. Well we were skating with skating as professionals but we had to come back into that competing world again may. Yeah you were able to do so because the judges change the rules about eligibility for the olympics. Yes correct so once you turn professional us some money in one thousand nine hundred four year offered you left the amateur scene ten years later. A lot of the top skaters had left and so there's a bit of void of of talent. new challenge. Really wasn't that. We've almost like challenges. And this was another challenge to come back into the amateur world whereas we created our own world for the last ten years and we were there the bosses of our own world. You might say but then you were going back into world whereby the bosses were their amateur figures that we'd left behind ten years ago and so we're back into that scene again. It wasn't an easy fit to go back with. It was a lot of tension not tension between you and chris or was it now. I mean we had stressful times as you saw in the documentary but yeah. That was a game as chris said before i think when eddie murphy of was making the documentary and he was wanted to be fly on the wall. What he was seeing day to day was quite boring because it was getting to the ice rink practicing repeating same stuff over and over again and you know he kind of alluded to the fact that no drama no drama. We need some more drama so think chris subconsciously created the drama more day and that was that was the everyone remembers which is that bit. The bomb came out that i remember there was a bit of you guys practicing and i thought. Oh he's being he's quite kurt. You said something like you're not doing it probably doing it like you. Just got off a plane. Jane sort of said okay. I'll do it just used to ignore him. Easter comment back which made him more and cross. Well i was impressed by that because it reminded me of my relationship. I did a tv show for many years with my best friend. Joe cornish and we had been friends since we were the teen or something and then ten years or fifteen years thereafter. We suddenly start working together and making a tv show which was really based on our friendship in the kind of things that made us laugh but immediately became stressful and the pressure of combining work with that friendship and all these competitive aspects to our personality was really difficult and stressful. And i've talked about it before lot on this podcast but one of the things we were never really able to do. I think this is probably fair to joe was was just come out with straightforward criticism in that way like if joe is spoken to me the way that chris spoke to you in that documentary which was not really disrespectful at all like he didn't say in a horrible way but just like you're not doing it properly. Do it like this. come on. You're not trying kind of thing. I would have dealt with it Toll well i would have just gone screw you. I'm not into this. Don't tell me what do. Yeah you know i think successful partnerships you kind of work out. Okay what am i comfortable with. Am i alright being talked to like that. And do i understand that. It's coming from a good place and absolutely you have to know the limits you know the boundaries. You both know the or jayme fix. I'm getting to a certain stage. He knows the reason for it. And i know the reason for its sometimes just vent. Yeah that's just something that has to get out to move on so jane you never. I'm putting words into your math now. Did you ever have a moment. Which i had many of when i just thought i call him up and i'm going to say you can't talk to me like that anymore and we need to reestablish a few rules for this relationship because i'm feeling like junior partner and i don't appreciate it nine. Don't really i mean that particular episode like after storm. Dauphin chris right after me and so on within ten minutes we will based on the ice training but they didn't share that bit then say oh. They're all right now. They've made up the bat training and had a good session by the end of the day. I usually do if. Chris getting a bit heated. I just ignore him and he makes him worse. And then he knows he's not gonna win and now and now it doesn a bother getting angry and cross which is role is the each other now journal. Just go and then. I'll go. You know you know when you've done all of the business of going through the ups and downs and backwards and forwards. You know what the no means and what the yes mess now. There are degrees of it. Say you don't wanna do that do you. Jane and i got no no no. She's not going to. That's a nice place to get to. I think it's it's only time and the shared experiences that you have that you get to that level. Yes exactly which makes me think again of that being perfectly in sync thing. I guess the only time most of us get to experience a comparable sense of feelings that have one with another human being in that way is when you're in a romantic relationship you know if you're absolutely every day is like bolero for me and my wife of course But i suppose that because most people's experience of that feeling of being in sync is in the context of a romantic relationship. People assumed that was the case with you off the ice with you too and it seemed as if they could get their heads around the possibility that this closeness might just be a professional thing you know people love sexy tension and that became one of the aspects of your public persona. I suppose people asking you about that constantly. Did anyone advise you to maintain that to keep people guessing or you know. Was there ever a conversation about it. One of the things that chris did quite early on was at the olympics because it was valentine's day we'd one and so on the next day the old the press were following around everywhere and at one point we sort of with surrounded and they assumed that we were couple and we'd never spoken to them about that because we found it all a bit too personal about whether we were we want but then one of them said oh. You going get married than now and chris said in that moment he said not yet so then they're all like was it difficult though for your actual romantic partners at the time to deal with the level of speculation about your relationship with each other. We didn't have any. We didn't have any romantic partners at the time as he called. We would just dedicated to what we doing at. I think it would have been difficult to have a relationship outside of the training regime that we had in the hours that we had to put into everything so those relationships other relationships didn't come until later when we turned professional. 'cause know in our minds. This was the most important thing in our lives. I think we decided that we only had this opportunity now in our lifetime to achieve the olympic medal. And so you're not going to let anything else to start your put you off. That pretty obsessive what we wanted to the exclusion of so many things. I suppose i was thinking most people if they are ambitious at all a sort of moving through their lives towards some abstract idea of success whatever success beads to them personal or professional. One day All my efforts and talents are going to culminate in something great. And then i'll be able to relax and i'll get a pat on the back and i'll be sorted but you guys made your mark bigger and better than most of us ever will when you were still relatively young aged twenty seven twenty eight in one thousand nine thousand four Younger thoughts and you already had success before. Then you know you'd already one in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. What did that feel like thereafter. Did you feel a bit like what do we do. Now what is how do we think about what we take shape. Yeah for us. I speak for jane but it was all about getting the olympics and doing that performance and we discuss future. We discuss opportunities because it would renders ineligible that we'd lose out amadou status so we could make no plans so our plan was to get to the olympics. And then obviously when we got there we won in fact. There was another six weeks for the world championships and we wanted to carry on a get three titles the europeans olympics worlds which we did so then after the world championships. There was not a plan. Okay what do we do now. You can assign any contracts or have an agent or anything so but what happened. An australian promoter turned up on our doorstep came to nottingham and said jesus might we put the bloody russians a new one. Will you come down and skate with the rest of the win. The olympics so they put the whole russian team to go down to australia tour around for two weeks as olympic champions. The people we've been competing against for the last however long. Okay skating career was. We're going to join them on their tall go with exhibitions around australia. That was the beginning of the rest about crib but anyway that two weeks turned into three months staying down there but we got pays we but that was a novel way because we had this opportunity. Ideally we want to create our own show but some people. You haven't got any money so we said no. We haven't because we don't have sponsorship from the city council which had run out by then and some of that. I think you're better off going down there. Earning money and then thinking about putting your own show together then. After that three months the promoters wanted to carry on doing things and so then we did get put together our own tours and shows which then went on for the next ten years and so when you talk about ambition. I like you say we made our mark early. But i think more than anything that this is a career that normally has short shelf life and yet we've been able to convert that and still doing it. Being involved with it. Dancing on ice came along which gave us a whole new lease of life from our partnership skating. And also you know working in tv and so it's never been planet it's just it's just evolved from one thing if all from one thing to the next thing and and here we are and it's more of a reflective looking back of saying. Wow look what we were able to do. I mean the opening of the show. The dancing on ice jayme was a bit i said to. You is an amazing that we're still here still doing this today and you got bit teary about it that we were we were still. Because we're very old buddy for nearly nearly ready for a bus pass in your early sixteen I know everything seems to have unfolded so naturally and successfully other things though that you do regret in that you kick yourself for. I can see look back and go. There's nothing i would really change. I'm also very much like that's happened. So let's move forward. Let's go there. I i. I'm not a person that goes. I wish this to happen nor wish that i am very well. That's happened so that's where go here And that's always been my way of life. Well it's great because it's so enjoyable seeing you guys together still working together still getting on because it kind of validates. All the feelings that people had the time watching you being so together and so in sync and it's like oh it was real. It was real. It's great i was saying that. The other documentary the perfect day documentary. Put a link in the description of the podcast. It culminates with the belowa routine when they started showing it and you sit a sink down to the ice in your facing each other. I just started crying. I just was completing overwhelmed with emotion. I mean i'm. I'm at that point in my life where i'm getting emotional about all sorts of things anyway. It doesn't take that much to make me well up. I think when you think back in the past you almost feel like what you'll use innocence that period of time that you would have been watching it that maybe those emotions come by. I think i listen to the other day with joe talking about your mother. That's right and that you can't look at pictures. And i find that with my kids because they've grown up now when you look back at sort of that. Innocence has changed as a kid. I remember when the beatles were splitting up and thought that can happen. How can the beatles of always been around. As long as i can remember and i know is only a short career in when you look at theaters but as a kid it was most of my life and there were those moments that you go. Yeah it's it's a punctuation point in your memory. Yes do you relate to that. Jane yea definitely. I mean i still look at pictures of my kids. I say to them all looking business. Iq and they got interested. Definitely i know what chris is saying. That's definitely sometimes when it becomes almost unbearably poignant and like during the during the lockdown we had a few family movie shows and i saw these will be fun you know and i just dug out some videos from like ten years ago. Whatever and they were really funny and the children lighten and we were laughing and stuff but afterwards my wife is like i was pretty hardcore. Yeah because it's it is just so just the passing of time as you say the feeling like. Oh that's gone. But still i mean. Of course there me. My daughter's only eleven. I mean there's still much to be enjoyed and did you. Did either of you ever have a moment with your children where you said okay. It's bolero time. Watch this my kids. Do what i do but it's never topic of conversation doesn't come up okay. Yeah sure how about you jay. My daughter's fourteen amazon's eighteen and so they've grown up around it. My son was only two dozen. I started over the years. They both speak to a lot of shows a lot of the tour when they were little. They didn't want to sit in the crowd. And we'll chat. 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Nicholson he came to. One of our shows didn't he was great. He came into the dressing room. We all did you like the show that he said. I love anything that makes me cry. Yeah what you say about that cry. Wow that's a good compliment from jack. Yeah he brought his daughter who obviously was skater. Little to hire we met lots of lovely paper. We've been lucky enough to go to the palace few times and make the queen is. She's one of my favorites. Why because she's just personable. I think when you talk about relationships hers and phillips is up there as gosh. That's been quite a relationship. That's going to be a complicated and mysterious. Yes that one day. Find out a lot more about. I didn't mind it being a mystery. Now it's nice to keep things mysterious. I guessing that's the fundamental rule of sexy tension. Hi success friends. My name is younger. And i want to share with you. The secret of my extraordinary journey of success. 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Episode 7: Terje Isungset - When the coldness of ice resonates

The Nordics Unveiled

42:49 min | 6 months ago

Episode 7: Terje Isungset - When the coldness of ice resonates

"Or uncommon as we would say in the written to the nordics unveiled. I am and abraham sing. And i hope you'll join. My exploration of from mythology and folk traditions to lyrical melancholic and often cautiously optimistic are only a few characters of nordic. In a series of episodes i will be joined by inspiring guests trying to break a few stereotypes and also the question of what is to clean nordic to learn more about communications and guest. Subscribe to the nordics unveiled on your favorite podcast provider or follow me on my instagram facebook or twitter account. This is nordics failed in the new episode of the nordics unveiled. I'm hosting a special musical. One of europe's most accomplished and innovative percussionists the easing set with over two decades of experiencing chest and scandinavian music. He has made a mark in pushing the music. Far beyond the traditional boundaries giving interdisciplinary performances of sound and shamanistic ritual crafting own instruments from the reached natural elements such as arctic birch granite slate sheath bell and most remarkably the ice. He is highly recommended to those sensible to the poetry and simplicity of sounds timbers and colors are central in today's music in competitions in the press. He's work has often been described as innovative mitchell in the genetic and different from any previously known concepts percussion profiles publication has listed him among the twenty five of the world's most creative percussionists and he was also recipient of the norwegian jazz musician of the year that i am so incredibly. Have feed that. You wanted to join my podcast. I am so blown away by artistic work. It's really really inspiring. I don't even know how where you begin When it comes to playing on instruments such as the once you make out of ice. But i am. I'm really thrilled to have you here today. And to hear some of your thoughts on the topic of nordic and how you create music out of the materials you find so. I thought maybe my first question i would like to ask you is where do you. How do you go about finding your instruments who I think I have been searching for instruments for a very long time. It started when i was in my mid twenties broccoli on the the first thing i was checking out was what could i find in our farm in our barn. So some bells from sheep's The tried some would be would And then later on. I checked out stone. Some you know material that normally people would not see us value or some instrument So that's that's the beginning of the story so A been using lots of various kinds of elements or sounds in in both the michael positions on the performance. So try out the most. Most things sounds from the the largest oil rig in the Factories when we still had factories in norway twenty years ago sounds from birds from fishes from waterfalls a them things that i can use those instruments. All these sounds recording some they are included somehow back but for my instrument. It's it's mainly them metal wood stone Some horns and then finally even ice check twenty years ago around. It's really fascinating how you're able to create music out of elements that i would. I consider myself. But i think maybe many people's who think of us kind of basic you know. They're just they're somehow but what does it take for you to decide to use it as a musical instruments. I'm very lucky because I'm drummer percussionist. The this means Percussionist you can actually make your only instrument more or less much more than the violin player piano player or whatever you know because our instruments they are not actually fixed and you can play on one symbol or you can have one telsim. Symbols is just like that The so the key for me is is mainly the sound of the of the element or the sound of the instrument. So that that you can actually define what the east on instrument because some years ago some people decided that symbol is an instrument. I decided that on his instrument right. Maybe i can say that i have these that sounds so magically this values i hear your at least for me. They have a very very high On the day on. They're not. It's not possible to replace the so each whether it's stolen or a woods or else they have their own work identity to you to have their unique zoned on is only one of these sound like men's arrests today. They have unique. Sounds you know but the days. I cannot find any shop or anything so some years ago. I came back from london on the when they opened my suitcase. The one of my favorites. Those were broken into pieces because of the luggage on the day. After i will sit woking in the mountains of norway western part the when i was walking their sudden i heard a whether is must be a stone. I was shaking. You know all the souls on there's some founded because it was the stole the extra exactly a because the phone though to join you own. The word play goals are extreme as it is. Mice in my storage is completely everything on the Method that i use regularly with drums. is also small pieces on every single. Little east has owns history. Many of them have been given to me as presents. Some shown on. I both some of them. Like second on the market soared from basis around the world Unless something nice Also when i play. I see my my family all my friends or friends. They might bells levels of various kinds of bells different sizes the stones of course pieces of wood. That i'd say self great go out in the forest in just harvest had to so they sound finally the drum that was given to me by by personal So on you know when you sometimes at least when. I play employs By need help from my friends The my friends is there. Yeah he's my instruments. So i listened to my friends they will help with. Yeah exactly that's I wonder. I mean we're talking about Earlier discussions with other people. We have been discussing court a lot about if there is a sound of nordic countries easter something that defines particular sound of the north and see us so many natural elements Would you say you're able to hear or feel a difference when you use materials from norway. Let's say another country around the world. yep There are different. Sounds in nature The animals may get various. Sounds the ice and snow will sound different from place to place on year to year The stone will sound different on the vote everything. I had the projects like i worked. I was artist in residence in tokyo on the product was to harvest from top On tokyo is not only the city but he's also some ireland's on is beautiful nature and I'm actually working on this right now with a new album and then it sounds completely different even use stones and would The sand saw it is. It is different on them. I don't know if scandinavia or or the. Nordic countries has a specific song but or that. It will be recognizable. Do if i heard it May be connected to my instruments that's hard to answer actually Because there are so many so many factors that he's a part of this Like the age of the three Wear it has grown. If it's been in very high level you know where it takes one hundred years to to grow three centimeters. It would sound different than if it takes. Two years to grow fleas on Many things like this but one types of instrument that you make yourself. We haven't talked about yet. And that's the ones you make in ice first of all i have to all. Where did this idea come from to make instruments in ice. Well i have been working with lots of elements in my music and in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. I have at concert for for opening of of festival I focused on factory. Sounds on engines and that there's no musicians from nigeria. And so on and then i was asked to commission concert to be held in a frozen waterfall in lillehammer in norway So i thought okay What to do Shall we work against nature or with netra so i decided to work with nature in the competition. went there in autumn on big stones on the would Unharvested things started to collect the in winter. I also had the chance to check out ice together. Trump's on it was paul boy going trumpet. Villamor fantastic singer twenty dancers so So when i heard this sound. Also when i saw the ice was dislike i fell in love her. I'm still there. I can't stop it but when you make instruments in is i mean you also and i am. Sorry if i'm asking stupid but you also make each messages. Like you know something you can play on like. I mean trumpets or lewd or like all these kind of instruments. I mean doesn't hurt your lips when you play on them directly ice. I mean yes. I have met a couple of mistakes. Lip service something. Nice to have. We can agree on that. So i have a concert in in very north of norway together with asami singer. Saddam ligo p- It was thirty thirty. Three degrees celsius below. Oh goodness houses called pretty yet The when she came to the concert she's had talia. We have been talking at home. You cannot blow the lay on the ice. It's dangerous so so. She did bring a small piece of leather to put on the ice to pretend since i've been using this piece of leather on just stick to the to the instrument. That's very smart. Y'all the salt is maybe a little bit different Bit does it. Stop the migration or do you think or is nothing to do with it off could be. Also it doesn't melt that quickly This is a good thing. It's kind of funny to think that you play on instruments that actually melt. They are gone by the end of the concert. That's especially when playing on on horns. You know as warm air coming out for my my mouth on on. It melts very quickly on the. Maltese gets bigger and bigger The you just cannot control this you know. So so to have a horn orchestra. I will otherwise. I will not recommend it. You know because he's very hard to blame you. Yeah different pitch by the time. You're done. I guess will change all of well. I i just have to. How long does it take you to prepare an instrument out of ice. Well i have a setup for a concert. If i'm going to play one hour concert for example I you need someone to harvest the ice on. That's the hardest job on normally. I don't do that luckily But before this you need to know that the the lake actually have sound Because he's not sold at all ice. Do sound interesting On so it will be different from for every concert if the instruments sound really good. Fantastic really minute. Delay sound You need to test simply to take so if the icies there. I have a one assistant. We can make myself up within two or three days. Okay it is Some various kinds of horns on the ice drums are not actually drums. But it's it's is by. It can be tune on his. The is awful marimba bone that also can be june exactly on some chimes on various kinds of percussion but the i know you also have performed in places such as india and more warm tropical weather that seems to contradict territory when you bring is instruments on the stage but how are you able to vote. I will how are you able to bring instruments or do you actually make their inferences indian If i go to india or to show japan china a threat. We always make the instruments there sometimes. I do bring a little box of ice from norway again. Because i have experience for example in japan This very hard. Find the good salting ice on the. It's a big difference issue. I mean june. The is about it. Sounds like like this or if sounds to a will affect the music hall. French third but there are so many questions for cam. We'll start with the first one. Does ice avenue touched upon. That is sound different. But how different can it sound from geographical differences. Think it can be. I can totally dead. It sounds like just you hit anything or it can seem like the most fantastic thing Longest restaurants or delay. I had for one instrument. He's eighteen seconds. Eighteen eighty s quite law. That's the bass sound. there are some amazing basins. Wow that's fantastic. It is on its her. It sounds i will. I'm on the road so it sounds fantastic so But also you know is is very difficult to find. This really good sounding is on sometimes. you can go to the same lake year of the year. It was totally different from year to year. Like good wines There are good years but also like i was in russia won't time on. I had one hundred pieces of ice that were harvested for me on check. The one hundred pieces seven of them had good sound. How it was the same in china can do some tours. In china on the harvested ice from nearby the the great wall and We were cutting on it. It sounded you know. Then we needed one. More block of ice unknown of the other blanks. Had sound wow so what. You do them It is it is a risk to perform on pure frozen. I'm willing to take that risk musician. than the risk is that it might not sound or it might sound a little bit or might not have my complete instrument with improvise quite a bit and the us. I don't think people maybe people are not aware of over the fact that it sounds different On on for me as a musician royalties like okay. This is what have on. We have to create music of what we have. So that's quite a big difference from all their instruments. I think because you have your instrument and you know how we can sound on on. You know what to expect on. You know how. Respond on saturday night. But actually i have a little bit of a technical question when it comes to. How do you actually tune an ice instrument. Do you just have to deal with what you have or can you tune it shape. The bit continued. Saw sometimes play with orchestras for example. It has to be expected in june. So tune my icefall on drums so on by using a knife. Okay it's like you and it's probably quite spoiled measurements. You can do with it unless unle- your instrument is gone out of shape. He also it can also while melting just for tuning part. Y'all also if if i q in Too much it can be a problem. 'cause he cannot add no no you can only take off. I can make it thinner shorter. So when you start playing you have in mind. Okay it so much. It's going to melt by the time i'm done and you still want to stay pitch. What do you do them high. Stop playing before. I get out of play together with other musicians short today. Somebody's this is also something learned on. Actually most of my concerts. Ice cultures are enduring concert halls ordinary temperature. Everything is pretty much about timing So i know that okay. I cannot play this song much longer because it starts to melt them. We we have to finish. That's gotten to the point or you can also do as you have done instead of big inside where things can melt. You can also bring thinks out sites where you control the temperatures to be better. And i know you have a ice music. Festival am feeding. If i'm thinking and it's known for being i would say probably one of the colder places in norway Why did you start festival there. a started the festival were raised on born actually in beheaded therefore i think twelve years or something and then we moved if inside because we have some problems. You know we have something called. Climate change temperature is rising globally so It's a problem for a lot of people For me dealing with is music. It's a of course problem. But i don't see this as a problem comparing the auto prominence But anyway it's important thing on them so we we tried to move up to the mountains and they're quite close to glacier to go there. It's a unique festival When i started in two thousand six it was words. Only ice music festival. I think it's still is. I'm not sure. But i think so. I'm the the thing on the. Id is to see what can we do with is and snow In norway in two thousand and six most people would not see the cold or ice or winter snow as a resource or something positive so we must try to turn this around and to see these fantastic resource that i try to invite a lot of people And telling them to see. What can i do with ice and snow and it is of course musicians. from various countries He is It can be downstairs. performance artists or is the architects. We create the new venue every year on an art project itself. All we have panthers. I mean artists There are no no-limit. I won't to to have a creative pool kind of On is fantastic to see about while they have done all these years. He's really really fantastic of so. Many people have contributed with the their ideas on taking out a lot of hard work and sometimes a little bit of melting. yes Do you think you anything or everything done in. Snow and ice I think it's very difficult to make on airplane off of ice. That can take you to that. I would also imagine Even though it's cold up in the national when it comes to music also things are possible. the i have lots of ideas still for many many things we can do. I want to develop and want to see how far he can come. I have a lot to learn still Have a lot to learn from nature from music from other people so it's just started. Well i think that's the best quality to have is to be curious and to always search right. But i have to say i i can only say for myself i e freeze so easily but you must be very comfortable with a cold a. I'm not comfortable so warm clothes hundred percent would never speak now talking while i even mentioned it earlier today but that is this region saying have right. It doesn't matter whether it's what you wear in the end of today exactly The wireless fantastic. I'm on. I was in canada recently. Been there several times the dress up with all these new fashion stuff you know for the biggest problem with this fashion gloats is that they make notes of nice. When you move on it has on the ice makes maybe less sound The jacket so it's impossible to use On on people stop me on the street you know because it might be very cold on a. You must be very cold because you don't have proper clothes so it works. But i have cold fingers on my have been Biden quite appropriate. So sorry so. I need to take care. I've learned. Now you definitely need your hands and fingers for sure. It's a good thing. I would very much agree. I spoke about How much different sounds you can get from elements such as rocks eight contact but have to ask you. If you've lear by having the rocks near you and you could give us a little except low. How different it could sound nor any other elements I mean my studio. That's a mess studio is on top of the house. The house is on top of the hill. There is no road to the hill so we have to walk stairs on the path to get to the house. Oh i see yes saw. It means there are not many instruments. Are i have some drums A loss of drums on the no instruments from those storms. That others to how nice shakers that i go from a group coming already. Small rooms a present from a fantastic musician in tokyo on the heels. Making these amazing. Well thank you for that. It's always nice to have a little bit of sound. Maybe talk about music. It can be quite abstract so it kind of helps to be to have something to put it on. But then i want stone from japan but it's it is it's not for music instrumental so for you. That doesn't ring enough. Does it or gives us more. Listen depending on This looks like how did you island where i was a lot of stones on the on would unsound lava On the same shape as island. It's beautiful. I like the cell phones. Okay i want to ask you tell you about. I mean you come from a very long just tradition. You're in excellent jazz musician and you have so much experience. Also improvising Could you tell me a little bit about whether you think. There is a in the region or nordic tradition. When it comes to jesse particular i think i hear on where people come from when they improvise. Many people like on here where they come from. You've if listened to music. Sometimes i can hear some improvised music on think. This must be swedish. A sweden is not far from normal. That's true but what makes it sound swedish to you all that so hard to describe but you can hear even easier is what is snow each okay on. I think it has to do a little bit with our. He's three of of improvisers or there might be two things out if you see in traditional music in norway. The violin tradition is very unique comparing to the other nordic countries on is also very unique from religious village. It will be different. I think it has to do. With norway's nature was very difficult to travel around Nearly everyone except for the big farmers were suffering. There were no money Not much food. you know So so it's it was very isolated. If you go to denmark. The had had europe no problem. They could easily go to germany. France wherever you know Same with south sweden easy access and it was done for a while. So i think that's one reason That be we have been kind of isolated or you can say protected from inspiration from other cultures. That's not politically correct to say. But he's but then in the sixties there loss. Lots of american jazz musicians. Great musicians coming to denmark and sweden in specific There are playing there and sometimes they came to norway you norway. We had some really good musicians with younger botic You'll get elimination on these guys on the they played fantastic but i play very different from americans. They played completely their own way. Not even educated so so so the music turned off quite unique on. Then keep jared came on. He he picked up some of these decisions on the music became famous the musicians famous worldwide them. I think That also showed the young generation only region. The okay we can do this in different way. We don't need to copy the americans because we are not able to copy them anyway. How we don't need to copy other countries or other studies like one hundred percent so we can more trust. Ourself some Typically each. i've been working a lot in sweden also collaborating with the folk musicians there in traditional music scene. That all have the same. No so that's very bad said it. Typical identity than minimize of navision decisions. You would say it's very dangerous to something like this but I have a feeling that it might be something like that. I don't know. But i think so too because it's you can see this in other fields as well that there is certain open approach to sing at. This'll think we also talked a lot comes to also classical music that even though the pieces and the and the tradition behind this very long there is always talk about in the region approach and naming. Exactly what you said that you know there was a certain freedom certain Oh this is not done before. Let's do that instead. You know that it was not so bound to traditions and that created so very interesting and very exciting expressions. It's different way of of seeing it could be You know if you if you do your education in eastern europe or asia or in america that would say that this is always going to be on. You have to play exactly like this before you can do anything else on the for sure. This gives fantastic musicians. I think technically norwegian jazz musicians are not at the same level as the americans not So you can say maybe some way to get around it. Practice less which non-steel make a living no Or it could be also that okay. we are. maybe more often mine than i think. Personally i think that every human being is Resource is also musical resources on. I think that every human being east totally unique because everyone can do something that no one else can do on if you come to. One thing properly with improvised music or music No one thing that no one else cannot do. Then it's fine then you will be booked for lots of cake caixa because one else can do exactly the swamp thing for example so And i would never say that there is something something is right on. Something is wrong in our agri expression. Now no i believe so too and it fits well into i. Read a quote by you from one interview you gave which Really talk about ice and changed over time. It can gratings. You never expected and its arch by accident and the ivory love. This calls art by accident because it really gives much open approach to what art can be and and the wasn't expression can be but do you find that. Also i mean. I can imagine from where you live and from what i can look at right now houses. We are on soup it much. When you're out in nature you are you must have you know. The biggest ears looking in searching for sounds is not the case. If i go off of my house there's a going up to the mountain An icon luke of the city of bergen. I can listen to the you can listen to it like a big orchestra also sounds on some soloists coming passing some builders over there so it can be very inspiring it can be music Often will play music concert on friday when we did the sound. Check as a trumpet player than the guy. See at the venue to move the chairs. You know then we started to play together with the guy moving the chairs off him knowing that it was it was fantastic music. Moving the noise from the chairs our instruments together nice. I believe i understand what you meant about art by accident. I think is also being open minded. The not to decided a whole thing is going to be In music because or in life. But you can decide your life. I'm going from a to b on. That's a tight or you can be open on. Maybe something happens on your you just go the other direction and something else happened and is a new life for a new way of living or new ideas or who knows on these the same music if you take the risk of not being able to to present the present the upper concert because it's not planned or because the instruments is maybe not ready the you force yourself to to think different or to just trust music and then it can be also things that you never thought could be can be arkansas art by accident. Yeah i really want to thank you. Thank you for taking time to speak with me today. And for sharing your thoughts and for him showing me obese more. What's the ice in the frozen world can do for you so i forward to following you for and to actually listen to price instrument when they that's going to be fantastic. Thank you so much. Thank you thank you. Thank you so much for joining me. 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The Hidden Dangers of Artificial Intelligence with Ben Zhao

Big Brains

22:45 min | 2 years ago

The Hidden Dangers of Artificial Intelligence with Ben Zhao

"Do you think you could tell the difference between a restaurant review written by human and one written by artificial intelligence? I feel very confident. I read a lot of yelp reviews, and I feel like I can tell when they're written by the business, so absolutely. I don't know if computer sciences advanced the point where we can't tell the difference anymore. Of course, there's a humanness to restaurant, reviews it, you know, I don't think computer can tell this is the question university of Chicago professor been Jau posed, one of his landmark studies into what a is are really capable of. Yeah. I believe we initially just focused on reviews in general because they tend to be short pithy sometimes grammatically incorrect. Because people tend to make mistakes when they write them. And so was a fairly low hanging fruit, comma, target that Xiao, if his team, could develop an AI that could write convincing restaurant reviews, it was show that these systems could be capable of falsifying all sorts of things to test. The idea our producer Matt Hoed app. Ask people from our team, if they could tell the difference between Zhao's AI reviews and the real ones. All right. Let me give you two reviews you have to tell me what you're saying. My family and I are huge fans of this place. The staff is super nice and the food is great. The chicken is very good. And the garlic sauce is perfect ice cream topped with fruit is delicious to highly recommend is the second one, the food here is freaking amazing. The portions are giant, the cheese bagel was cooked perfection. And well prepared fresh and delicious the service was fast, our favorite spot for sure. We will be back cheese, bagels, real cheese, bagels, real real, no keys. Bagel is artificial intelligence. Almost no one. Got it. Right. I is AI. Second is a human. No, I wo-. He's things were really powerful enough that the, the, the reviews came out and, and, you know, maybe there were a couple of minor grammatical things and occasional misspelling. But that's exactly in tune with sort of where normal readings are number two is the real one. Zhao study highlights some really dangerous things that AS could be capable of, and he spent the last few years, breaking these systems down to discover what else may becoming as they develop this stuff is important. And, and a lot of the, the air is that we look into our of high impact, we, we look at things that particular security problems. I really affect people from the university of Chicago. This is big brains stories behind the pioneering research in pivotal breakthroughs reshaping. Our world on this episode been Jiao the dangers of artificial intelligence. I'm your host. We're here to talk about a I today, and how it's kind of disrupting and changing industries across the board conversations around artificial intelligence have become so commonplace, these days that even the White House is getting involved President Donald Trump on Monday will sign an executive order aimed at boosting America's artificial intelligence industry. The development of a is has begun to feel inevitable questions focused on win and how rather than if but university of Chicago professor been joust says maybe we should be taking more time to see how artificial intelligence can break some of our crucial systems and be broken it self before it's too late. You know, I've always had a what some people have termed than adversarial, curiosity. You know you walk into a room and for some people, the they see the really bright spas, and other people. They see sort of the, the interesting to biz that other people overlook and I- resisted, the, this sort of. Ou're of deep learning and neural networks and AI for quite a while. And really, you know this space is so hyped. There's so much like site men that I thought that, you know, I it was a little too crowded, and it turns out that one way to help with that hype. And, and so on is actually, you know, pop a couple of balloons by looking at sort of the downsize and, and some of the challenges that people are oftentimes ignoring a little bit when they're rushing out in that assignment to learn about the new breakthrough or to deploy than US thing. And so that's sort of the role, we're taking once you turn on his head and you say, what can attack or do with us, then the perspectives changed. And oftentimes very glaring holes come out, one of the glaring holes the Jau and his team discovered last year was the ability to use AI degenerate fake, but convincing documents. If you look at the basic question of how good are we at capturing language, and reproducing language? Synthesizing language. If you just give a software component enough training for a particular type of text Kennett capture enough information about the grammar about the context of the vocabulary to basically generates own and to fool people into thinking this is something written by a real human and the obvious documents to try to get an AI to fake. I the most important thing online that we use all the time. Restaurant reviews. So we looked at specifically, you know, how easy would it be to, to rice offer that would capture enough reviews? Negative both positive and negative. Okay. So that they were sufficiently good at generating a near infinite, number reviews on command. Right. And so the hypothetical scenario is if you're bad, actor if you're the only restaurant that actor that's just really, right? Yeah. Tom clancy. Right. Right. Right. But it could be someone like a restaurant owner, who Monson edge over the competitor down the street. Right. So they say, well, you know, it'd be great if I got some more positive reviews because those really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then simultaneously if they want to deal blow to the competition and, and maybe lower their ratings a little bit. So they'll, you know, potentially laissez deployed, some the software and some of the software is, is fairly common out a lot of people have public packages out there that you can download and you just get some of these data sets, which, again, are increasingly available yelp made this really big data set of restaurant reviews publicly available. Gosh, quite a few years ago, four or five years ago, and it's one may this research possible. But at the same time he will get gathered this data. Throw it at these models. And then, you know, you turn up and out the other end comes basically reviews. Yeah. And it was specific enough that it took in some parameters this model. You could say, give me you know, two hundred reviews of Japanese sushi restaurants, and we had built, this little dish Inari of keywords, that was relevant to sushi restaurants, and you push that button and out would come these things. And you could just keep on generating them ad infinitum, and they will keep on producing positive and negative. Right. You could say, I want to force our review, I wanna one star review, and it would act accordingly. Wow. And so did you actually post these or you dissed? He just run the cell and how people look at now we, we didn't pose them. I mean the trash. There's a lot of there's a lot of ethics involved in and, and for sure, you know, if you don't want to be a bad actor. That's right. That's right. So let's talk about the results real what, what did you find out? Well. It turns out that these reviews are pretty convincing users couldn't tell the difference. They marked as many of our fake news, fake as they did the real reviews and more more importantly, perhaps, we also ask follow questions, like, which one of these reviews, did you think were the most persuasive, and it turns out on that end as well. They marked are reused the fake ones as convincing and persuasive as right? So it wasn't just, you know, you can't tell the difference because they're so useless. But it was actually they were effective. The study was written about all over the internet and scientific, American verge Forbes and others. You might say fake restaurant reviews, who cares. But people in the industry understood the larger implications of this work, many were unaware that, hey, I had gotten to the point where it could capture and create human language in this way, the possible future. Implications are enormous, especially in this era of fake news. You cannot believe what you see anymore. You can't believe what you hear anymore. And so our basic senses are no longer, trustworthy. And that's a real challenge. I think essentially what we have is this all powerful software tool that keeps on getting more powerful as you throw more hardware, and information at it. Fake news today is really in some sense child's play. Actually, there was conference here in twenty seventeen for investigative journalism. And I gave a panelists and they ask question, and I said, well, here's here, all the things that he is managing to enable. And some of these things include things like manipulation of images manipulation video. And so I can now use a tool to make anybody say anything. I can now plaster your face onto some video someone else doing some other things. But now Agean computers really doing their part. And now I can synthesize a perfect generation of video and audio someone's granddaughter calling up grandma's saying, grandma, I'm stuck south of the border semi five thousand dollars right now. And we're that use that same attack is being tried out today, except it's an Email form or, or some sort of text message. But now you have a real live interactive person speaking to you, and asking for help in the face. Of your loved one. What do you do? How do we as humans manage to overcome at how do we recognize when we're being fed false information, even when the machinery underneath, it's getting more and more perfect by the minute. So that's really difficult. We're trying to we're struggling against it where we're coming up some solutions. But the problem is that none of these Lucien of permanent, the assumption is that if you make the machine more powerful. If you make them information, more complete that sooner or later, whatever you're looking at this false data will gain corporate into the model and the next generation will not have it, right. So this is that Terminator thing that keeps coming out to you, and you find him own ability, and bam. Learns so there you go. No more Billy. So it really is that except there's not a nice communion ending at the end of the movie where you somehow find his one single weakness, and seeded, and that's essentially in some sense. The extreme version of that work is you can generate tax. But if you can all. Tur- and produce video and images on demand. How do we tell what is real? What is not? Zhao and his team didn't stop at this reality. Bending aspect of AI, their newest work exposes, and even more dangerous possibility for our future. That's coming up after the break. Capitalism is the engine of prosperity actually sows the seeds of its own demise could both be right? I'm Kate Waldoch from Georgetown University. And I'm losing goddess from the university of Chicago where the hosts of capitalism, it's a podcast about what's working in capitalism today, and most importantly, what isn't we're gonna share the sort of irreverent banter, you'd hear between economists set a bar that he's if it communists, were to go to a bar to capitalism. You can find us wherever you get your podcasts. Although there, quote unquote, intelligent AI, is are still systems, and like any system, they can be hacked in this case by using something called a back door as these AI systems, become more integrated into our lives, these back doors could allow them to do some very scary things. Oh, this is this is really a little bit crazier. So, you know, I started looking at security of machinery and systems for while and we came across a paper that, that was quite nature. Saying that, that look at this possibility of the lack of a better word of back door, but really for those folks were familiar with the Americans that FX show. Sleeper cells. Right. This is kind of like this is like you have this powerful, neural network model. You had this computer software model yet is completely OPEC. You can't understand it because there's a bag of numbers, and so somewhere in there could be hidden really nasty things that you just can't see. And yet it could function ninety nine point nine percent of time, just like normal just as should, but someone could have inserted something that is unexpected only to be triggered by very specific input. So imagine. For example, a face recognition system that does what you want, you know, as easy as this is Paul sees me and says this is Ben does all the right things except if someone comes in with a particularly shaped funny shaped earing, right? And maybe this is a really unusual shade some sort of thing that you never see, but most, we wouldn't put on airing, but whatever picture that, that this encaptures with that particular symbol, it will mmediately trigger some something hidden inside and say, you know, this is gosh presently United States. And I didn't know that he were airing while, you know, hey everybody everybody can change. And so, so imagine that, that, you know, there was this hin rule that said, see this funny symbol immediately classified, no matter what the wrestles picture looks like imag immediately classified this picture as this person of interest. And so that you can imagine that could be built gays. Beat Mark Zuckerberg, he'll be anyone that you wanted to impersonate and yet as long as no one else accidentally trigger this thing. One wore this funny earring or funny tattoo on their forehead. You will never see this behave unexpectedly. It doesn't take much imagination to come up with ways these back. Doors could cause a lot of chaos with the simple tattoo, you could trick recognition system into allowing you to stroll into someone's Bank vault or even the Oval Office. But as we start up loading even more crucial systems things could get deadly. Yes. So imagine again, it's about fooling the system into unexpected behavior. So let's say that you're driving a self driving car. You know, whatever brand, and it's going down the street, and it has a great a I it's recognizing different three signs. But somehow somewhere, you know, years ago, the developer that model someone slipped in a little Trojan horse and, and said, if you had this funny shape sticker on your whatever signed is that. Signs, as you know, no parking on Friday. Right. So, so you have this car going at a high rate and you know there's a red light coming up ahead. And if you want to harm someone someone Mr. evil goes up and slaps on a sticker that turns his feature on, just as someone important coming on the road. So the car looks up says, oh no. That's just no parking here, no problem, zipping, right through, but it's a red light, and they get t-boned and, and people get hurt and the sticker off, and nobody Zak with the better. Exactly. They scrape the sticker off. And no one will have any clue, how that model misbehaved because these things are still black boxes. So that's really the SE part of this is that not only will happen, but you won't be able to identify what caused the event. Jousts team. Of course isn't the only one in the country, working on a I back doors. But they are one of the only teams this come up with the solution to fix them. Yes, we have the paper coming up in may at Oakland this conference called Oakland but is basically the I Tripoli conference. That's one of the top insecurity. So we have a paper that actually looks at what these triggers behave like, and how they behave and using that behavior to actually identify and track down these figures. It turns out, we're able to not only detect one particular model has been infected but also reverse engineer, so we can actually go backwards and, and reproduce a trigger so knows infected. But here's what the trigger object or symbol looks like. So then the next time someone asks, you tried to use it. You can actually not only turn off, but also identified the culprit or attacker. So, so that's a good step on. I think there's always more powerful attacks coming. So this. Tinkler version of tax back doors. We're able to handle. We're already thinking about a pure kind of next generation backdoors there's more versions of this, that are coming down the road that are even harder to defend against. Yeah. And the DOD you know, I'm going to DC because there's going to be a department defense funding agency meeting about a new program, that's coming out, specifically to target, Trojan, horses, and backdoor attacks in Schiller systems. So clearly, this is something that is severe enough to warrant the attention. The DOD and, and hopefully get more people involved and interested to Attlee generate more robust defenses, just rubbing our view of reality back doors. That twist systems into undetectable dangers with all these scary possibilities. It's hard not to wonder if developing a is even worth it. We asked been Jau that question after the break. If you're listening to big brains, there's a good chance you consider yourself a lifelong learner, however, you may not know about the university of Chicago's Graham school and its focus on continuing liberal, and professional studies. For more than a century Graham has been a destination for lifelong learners the offer courses online in the last room, bringing transformative education, you Chicago was known for students of all ages. To learn more about the courses are typically degrees. Visit Graham dot EU Chicago dot EDU. Given all the ways that this technology could be used by bad actors for various purposes, should we really be continuing to research and develop these things. Is it worth it is it worth it? You know. I don't know that, that's really the right question in some sense, if we had a choice to say, can we shut off all development into this area and go on Mary way, you know, that will be interesting question to ask. I'm not sure that we're we have that luxury, the genie's out of the bottle. Exactly. I think this is one of those things where you know, whether it's Tomek vision, or the news, gene-splicing technique, one signs has gone to a certain level. You can only hope to make it as balanced as possible, because, you know, that in the wrong, hands it will get used in the wrong way. And so as long as the signs of moving technology, we when you had to basically, try to nudge it towards the light is coming these techniques are coming and there's no stopping that. So the only question is will be used for good or will it be used for evil? And, and can we stop it from being used and weaponized the wrong way? So this actually starts going back into at least the first time that I can recall. Anything that resembled artificial intelligence was the old movie wargames Alaska. Whatever program to ask you do. You wanna hear talk. Yeah. I'll ask it how it feels. I'm fine. Oh, are you. It's time. That's one of them that goes fight awhile back. Yeah. Dating myself just a bit. But I guess this you think through the real downside to all of this. What is it that you worried about, you know, that's a, that's a very interesting question. I think when I first started, you know, for wild fascinated with this idea of the singularity has many people are of what happens when Skynet takes over Mr Chairman, I need to make very clear if we uplink now Skynet will be control you military, you'll be in control sky, right? Or the matrix or some years there of and, and we become pawns, you know, under our robotic overlords. We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to a. Notified intelligence, a singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines? And some point I think my perspective shifted a little bit. Once I realized that it will probably get worse before guest that point right now. These these, these AI tools these machine learning tools are extremely powerful and, and yet they're not sufficiently well studied or vetted and, and we don't have the tip with kind of tools to, to understand them to, to, to test them, like we do normal software. You know, it's, it's entirely possible that, that whether it's agencies were companies individuals. We jump on this technology without fully understanding the ramifications and they may in fact, once deployed lead us down pass that are somewhat unexpected and potentially negative. So whether it's by season emotion running models, we've already seen that in, in, in real world examples, that's that's one side of it. But it could be also you know, these kind of things. Back doors where they are vulnerable to attacks by, by individuals by nation states, and, and so on, so one can imagine these things. You know, really posing some danger if they're deployed at the right places. It's important to all of us and responsibility in essence for many of us in CS community to, to provide the tool, so that we can really be certain as soon as we can about their reliability and their behavior before we put them into really mission critical life-changing safety kind of applications. Big brains is a production of the you Chicago podcast network. If you like what you heard, please give us a review in a rating, our shows, hosted by Paul Morand, and produced by me. Matt Hoda, thanks for listening.

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Tonya Harding Pt. 2

Sports Criminals

51:20 min | 1 year ago

Tonya Harding Pt. 2

"It was still early in the morning on November fourth nineteen ninety-three the CLACKAMAS town center mall wasn't open yet. But the head of security was already in his office getting ready to make his rounds today. The mall played host to the Northwest Pacific regional figure skating being championships. The competition was already a huge event for clackamas but it was made all the more exciting by the headlining competitor twenty-three-year-old the three year old. Tonya Harding Tanya had trained at the rink for the last two decades now she was in the big leagues in. This would be her homecoming coming tickets. Sold in record numbers for Portland. Neighbors eager to see her skate. Every program included signed headshot of Tanya the proceeds. Oh seeds would help her get to the Olympics in February which is why every employee needed to be on their a game especially security already but just as he topped off his coffee Mug to walk the perimeter. The head of security got a call when he picked up a deep voice on the other end said if harding skates. She'll get a bullet in the back then. The line went dead Welcome to sports criminals. Apar- cast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport. We'll also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals else and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify just open when the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram instagram. At podcast and twitter at Parkas network. This is our second episode on Olympic. Figure Skater Tonya harding and her alleged involvement in the assault on fellow skater. Nancy Kerrigan as we covered last week. Tanya grew up in an unstable and abusive environment but still managed niche to excel as a competitive figure skater. She made history in nineteen ninety one as the first American woman to attempt an land. A triple axel jump in competition. This week we'll see how the rivalry between Tanya and fellow skater. Nancy Kerrigan intensified leading up to the Lillehammer Olympic Games in nineteen ninety four after a brutal attack. Six weeks before the competition the two rivals were overtaken by a media firestorm. The nineteen ninety-four four games became about one thing only Nancy and Tanya the world watched with unparalleled interest as the two women took their final shots. It's an Olympic gold at the nineteen nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics. The American team gave a strong showing in ladies singles figure. Skating Kristi Yamaguchi took Gold Nancy carrying and took bronze and twenty one year old. Tonya harding took fourth. Just outside of metal range afterward. Yamaguchi retired from amateur competition officiant for a more lucrative professional career with a gold medal in her pocket. She gained endorsement deals. A spot in the ICECAPADES and much more her her departure left the field open for a new American women's champion obviously the two top contenders were Nancy and Tanya Bot. Nancy had a slight slate edge over Tanya. She had the more traditional ice princess. Look that was expected. A female figure skaters even with just a bronze medal. Nancy was offered sponsorship deals with Campbell. Soup Revlon Reebok Avion ray-ban and even Xerox. She wasn't a champion yet but and she already looked like one as Portland reporter and Schatz described. Nancy was right in line with all the other darlings. She fit the DNA. Okay the mold the MO whatever you WANNA call it. Nancy fit it good for her. But you know Tanya is just burning. She is absolutely burning. Tanya wasn't seeing any of that kind of money and between the two of them she was much more desperate for cash than Nancy Kerrigan media portrayals of Nancy in Tanya have exacerbated the supposed class difference between the two women. Nancy was seen as polished and white collar. Tanya was depicted as blue collar and even described herself as trailer trash but Nancy Kerrigan Wigan also came from a working class family. She certainly had a more stable childhood then. Tanya did but she didn't have any more money or privilege in her upbringing. Her Dad Dad was a welder and her mom was a legally blind homemaker and yet nancy was more readily accepted by the snob sport. World figure skating one judge commented she was raised as a lady. We all noticed that that refined quality was always elusive to Tanya over the years. Her coaches tried to smooth some of her rougher edges but it only made Tanya rebel more. She could land a triple axel. Who cared cared if she reminded her PS and QS? Well the judges for years Tanya felt like they treated her differently in gave her lower marks because because she lacked some feminine ears in grace. Sarah Marshall discussed this phenomenon in her article about Nancy and Tanya titled Remote Control Marshall Road when it came to the technical merit score judges rankings. Were more or less objective. Despite its specific list of requirements artistic history impression was a far more elastic score. Judges could be influenced by a skater's costume or appearance or simply by some ineffable quality not that struck them somehow as right right for the moments right for the events right for the sport into many on the judging panel there was something about Tonya. Harding's overall package. That just wasn't quite right. Not In the way that it was with Nancy. Tanya felt this was all too clear at at the nineteen ninety-three US figure skating championships. It was the first national since Kristi. Yamaguchi's retirement retirement therefore it was a chance for the judging panel to signal who was destined to inherit the throne. Tanya wore a new skating dress for the competition a deep fiery red covered in red and gold sequence. She set her short program to never by moving pictures. The Song Kevin Bacon in dance out his frustrations to in footloose. She used the music to fuel a lively ambitious routine with a triple loop double loop triple flip and Dan a death drop. Sit Spin all within the first minute but less than ten seconds into her performance. The clasp on the back of Tanya's dress snapped apt when she went off for her first triple loop she immediately fell out of. It clutched her hands to her chest. She nearly exposed herself to the entire. Hire rink flushing with embarrassment. Tanya skated over to the judges table to explain what happened when the crowd realized the problem. They erupted didn't laughter but the judge was clearly annoyed. He waved Tanya off the ice and then threw his hands up as if to say it's always something indeed. This wasn't the first time nor the last that Tanya had problems with her clothing and equipment at the previous year's Olympic Games she'd had issues with scape escape blades. One of them broke off in practice and she wasn't happy with the replacement she couldn't get the blade to stay in place in the boot and it affected her balance Sonner jumps. She pointed to this function as the reason she'd failed to land her triple axel but at the ninety three nationals. Wants her costume secured with a safety pin. Tanya retook the ice in skated a beautiful clean short program hitting Oliver Jumps heading into the free skate. She was in the second place behind. Nancy Kerrigan the judges held a blind draw to determine what order the top. Five skaters would performing. Tanya was slated. I I am Nancy last Tanya skated to a compilation of music from the Kevin Costner. Movie robinhood she elected ahead of time not to attempt her triple axel instead that she replaced it with a double axel double toe loop combination which she executed well l. but not with her customary height and power. Her plans triple Lutz was downgraded to a double on the fly. She fell on the ice during a triple apple toe combination after she also fell out of a triple loop commentator Dick Button remarked. She's just not up to her usual self tonight. Tawnya wasn't the only one to have problems with her jumps. The subsequent skaters that night also fell by the time it was Nancy. Kerrigan turn Tanya on you still held on to second place even with her lackluster showing. When Nancy took the ice to thunderous applause from the audience Dick Button proclaimed? It is her crown to win. She has been so close so often. And now the moment is hers skating to a compilation from beauty and the beast wearing a black velvet jewel accented costume designed by Vera Wang. Nancy landed her first. Jump a triple flip. Then she fell fell on the second a triple Lutz. But again everyone had fallen that night so nancy knew she was allowed one but no more for the rest of her program. She scaled back some of her more difficult moves in the interest of a cleaner performance. She'd struggled with her triple loop and practice so she downgraded into a double loop. Her triple sow also became a double but she landed them all. She took her bows before the cheering crowd. Dick Button lamented well. It was very nice program but conservative jumps and like many of the women tonight. She didn't do. All of the difficult triple jumps in. The program is fellow commentator bluntly agreed. It wasn't very inspired out here. But when Nancy's scores were posted she still received very very high marks for style and composition where the judges allegedly have more leeway in their assessment. Nancy scored five five point. Eight and four or five point nine. She was the new champion and while it originally appeared that Tanya would take home third that night when the final tallies alleys were posted she'd somehow dropped into fourth place behind Lisa Ervin and Tanya Quick Hausky it didn't make any sense to Tanya as journalists analysts abby hate and J evader detailed in their book fire on Ice Harding Irvine and Nicole Bobek all received some second place marks Irvine hit three triple jumps harding and Bobek. Each had to quit Kawasaki completed only one. It was extremely namely disappointing to Tanya and seem to definitively confirm what she'd always known the judges were against her throughout the rest of the nineteen ninety-three season Tanya struggled to impress the panel. Her best showing came at that year's Skate America where she finished third but even then n the bronze was a disappointment. It looked like she was going to win first after the short program which he was forced to stop halfway through her free skate it routine when one of her skate. Blades came loose. The judges allowed her to fix it and start again but her concentration was completely thrown off after after a lacklustre performance. She was knocked from first to third skate. America was notable not only Tania's highest biased ranking performance of the nineteen ninety-three season but it was also a competition that Nancy Kerrigan did not participate in Tanya. Did her best that year. In the absence of her rival as the nineteen ninety three season came to a close everyone was already looking ahead to the nineteen ninety four or U. S. figure skating championships to be held in January. They would serve as the Olympic trials for the Lillehammer Games in February but because Tanya had placed aced fourth at the previous year's nationals not third. She'd expected she had to re qualify to compete at the ninety four nationals after through the way the scores had been adjusted and reshuffled in ninety three in only added insult to injury she repeatedly asked the US figure Skating Association for a waiver but was denied. If she wanted a shot at the Olympics she had to hold her nose in skate at a qualifying event so Tanya registered search for the Northwest Pacific Regional Championships though she privately voiced that she felt the entire thing was beneath her. Then on the day of the competition someone phoned in a death threat against Tanya saying if harding skates she'll get a bullet in back after speaking with the US F. S. A. and rink security it was ultimately decided that Tanya shouldn't skate that night and at first the Skating Association considered granting Tanya the free pass to nationals. She so desperately wanted but in the days that followed members of the association grew suspicious about the source of the death threat. Maurice still well one of the. US Essay Vice Presidents expressed express his concerns that the whole situation was just a little too convenient. He felt that Tanya had staged the entire thing to get out of competing at the event he pointed to the fact that two days after the supposed threat she was out in public signing autographs. Not exactly what you'd expect for someone whose life had been anonymously threatened. In addition someone leaked the specific details of the threatening phone call to the press. Only a handful of people people knew the full extent of the situation most had just been told that there was a security issue therefore for the US F. Essay insisted that Tanya still had to skate at a regional competition to qualify for nationals. She didn't have to place he's just had skate. Tanya selected that year as NHK trophy in Japan as her qualifier but the results of the competition just added fuel to her burning resentment. She skated a clean short programme but was ranked seventh behind two skaters who had both fallen on their jumps. She managed to claw her way up to fourth place in the free skate. A huge feet but Tanya still said she felt like she was gypped because the rest fell on their butts as detailed in fire on ice. She bitterly told her ex husband. Jeff gloomily she had skated. Yeah well better than the other skaters and the judges had marked her down. They wouldn't let her win even when she deserved it even though so at the end of the day it didn't even matter what place she got at the NHK trophy when she returned home afterward. Tanya simmered with indignation and she carried that rage and resentment with her all the way to Detroit for the nineteen ninety four. US Championships coming up. The kneecapping heard round the world. Hi It's Kate and I'm excited to tell you about an incredible abol show from podcast that you don't WanNa miss their four legged full of love and oftentimes more like family than their nickname suggests. Dog Tales tells the true stories of heroic canines who have gone above and beyond their best friend duties. Every Monday dog tails embarks on a new journey of courage service and unwavering sacrificed by our most loyal companions. You'll hear tales of inspiration from all breeds of life like buddy the German shepherd. The world's first seeing I guide dog or Huskies Balto and Togo ago. The sled dogs. 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Her rival came out on top. Nancy was not only favorite to win the ninety four nationals but the world was treating her spot on the Olympic team as a given as well at the end of nineteen ninety three a plan started to formulate to take aac Nancy down and give Tania an edge Tonya. Harding's involvement in the events leading up to the ninety. Four championships has been widely speculated but never confirmed her ex husband. Jeff Gillooly alleged that she was one one hundred percent involved in the plot to attack. Nancy Kerrigan from the very beginning. Tanya insists to this day that she only learned of Jeff's plan after after the fact what we can be sure of is this Jeff Gillooly was undoubtedly aware of Tanya's feelings of persecution by the judging panel during the nineteen ninety three season even though the pair legally divorced in August of that year they reconciled shortly after and resumed living together. She she even skated under the name. Tonya harding gloomily Tanya alleged that she only reunited with Jeff to help her Olympic chances as journalist list. Sarah Marshall explained Tanya said she had attempted reconciliation with Jeff following their divorce because a representative from the United States figure skating gating association told her if I wanted to make the Olympic team. I need to make myself a stable life. They said I had a stable life. When I was was with him married settled down and they wanted to make sure I was still going to be that way to go to the Olympic Games? This man that went Tanya Donya returned from the NHK trophy to their shared rental house in Portland complaining about how she entreated Jeff heard every word of her gripe right whether he was spurred by Tanya directly or whether he took matters into his own hands Jeff gloomily decided to even the playing field for his wife at the nineteen ninety four nationals in mid December of nineteen ninety. Three Jeff called called one of his childhood friends. Twenty six-year-old Shawn Eckhardt. They remain close enough over the years while also occupied with their own side. Projects Chaff Halfway Tanya and Eckert with his fledgling personal security business. Jeff relate to his old friend. The unfair treatment Tanya received in the skating dating world and how the judges never look twice at her when she skated next to Nancy. According to Jeff it was Eckhart. Who first suggested injuring Nancy? Take her out of the competition. He said that for price he knew a guy through his bodyguard work slice her Achilles Tendon and knock her out of the running. Jeff was admittedly intrigued by the idea with Nancy. Out of the way Tanya would shine. How much would it cost? I well it would be a rush job since the National Competition in Detroit Michigan was only a few weeks away for the hit travel accommodations Eckhard estimated forty five hundred dollars on. Jeff balked at the figure. He couldn't afford more than two thousand dollars but maybe he could find some more money from a donor. Several people had taken an interest in Tanya's Olympic dream and offered financial support. Of course none of them ever imagined that their donations might be used to pay a hitman. While Jeff Moldova. The Price Tag ECKERD started making plans. Even if he didn't have jeff's go ahead yet they were working on a tight timeline. They had to be ready. If the word came down. No Eckhart claim to have a decade of experience in personal security and counterterrorism. He'd never actually had a real client before his only experience came from books. Like the poor man's James Bond and the anarchist's cookbook but now here was a real job for for him to finally prove his skills. Furthermore he figured that if Tanya made the Olympic team and went on to win the gold medal her celebrity status status would require her to hire a fulltime bodyguard. If he got this right He'd have a job for years to come and his personal security business. Business would finally be off the ground with flagship client less than a week after his conversation with Jeff another man entered the conspiracy twenty nine year old Derek Smith Derek shared ECKERD's love of espionage and counter terrorism despite lacking any formal training. He hoped to one day open his own paramilitary survival training school. Even thought Eckhard could teach classes there on how to be a bodyguard. Derek Eric recently quit his job and thought it might be time to finally get the school off the ground. When he called ECKERD in late December he thought he might be able to recruit his help help but in the course of the conversation Eckhart mentioned that he was looking to arrange a hit? Did Derek know anyone who would be willing to rough Bob. A figure Skater Derek. Twenty two year old nephew. Shane stand was a bodybuilder martial arts enthusiast and had previously been arrested Ed for fighting and stealing a car derek thought he was the perfect candid. He called Shane on December. Twenty third nineteen ninety-three to give him the details of the job and see if he was interested currently unemployed. Shane was willing to attack Jack. Nancy Kerrigan but refused to cut her Achilles Tendon. He was confident he could still hurt her landing leg bad enough that she wouldn't be able to skate without without knifing her. It's possible that he was weighing the consequences of felony assault versus attempted murder. Either way he agreed to the job. The next day he visited a tactical supply store and purchased a twenty one inch retractable baton. For fifty eight dollars and fifty six cents by the time. Jeff Eckhardt reconnected. After Christmas the plan had snowballed Jeff claimed that he tried to call the whole thing off but Eckhard told him it was too late. The wheels were already in motion on December. Twenty ninth. Shane Stanton bordered a six thirty seven. Even an flight to Boston. He planned to rent a car and drive to Tony. Kent Arena in Cape Cod. Where Nancy practiced? There's some debate about how. Shane knew where Nancy practiced. According to Jeff Glue Tanya was directly involved in obtaining that information he alleged that she he called the sports journalist who lived on the East Coast Vera Moreno and asked her where Nancy skated under the guise of settling a bet again Tanya yeah denies any involvement in the planning of the attack however Moreno testify to the FBI. Tanya indeed called her in late December of of nineteen ninety-three and asked her not only for the name of Nancy's rink but also her home address in Cape Cod. Moreno was only able to provide the former while. This may seem damning ultimately asking where Nancy practice doesn't prove anything about Tanya's knowledge of the planned attack. Once in Boston chains assault plans were derailed almost immediately when he tried to rent a car to drive the eighty eighty miles to Cape Cod. His credit card was declined. Apparently he'd grabbed his girlfriend's card instead of his own because the name didn't match the one on his license since the rental company wouldn't accept it as payment so he checked into a hotel by the airport using his real name and asked his is girlfriend overnight his own credit card as soon as possible. It didn't arrive until late in the day on December thirtieth so. Shane couldn't rent a car and make the drive until the next morning by the time he arrived at Tony Kent Arena on the afternoon of December. Thirty First Nancy Kerrigan had already finished practicing missing and left for the day then. She headed south to her parents. House in Stoneham outside Boston for the holiday weekend in fact. It's possible that Shane. Nancy passed each other on the interstate as he drove north. She drove south but Shane didn't realize Nancy was already gone. So for the next two days he staked out the arena waiting for her to appear thinking it would help him avoid suspicion. He moved his car to a different different spot in the parking lot. Every thirty minutes finally on the morning of January third. Shane called the arena and asked when Nancy was coming into skate eight. He told the operator that his daughter was a fan and wanted to see her on the ice. The woman on the other end informed him that Nancy had already left left for nationals in Detroit panicked and running out of money. Shane bought a greyhound bus ticket from Boston to Detroit. It put put him in the city late in the day on January fourth three days before the competition was slated to begin back in Portland with no news news of an attack on Nancy. Jeff Guli assumed he'd been played and that. Shane had run off with the money disappointed. He in Tanya boarded a flight to Detroit on January six Nineteen Ninety four twenty four year old. Nancy Kerrigan was wrapping up a practice session at Cobo arena. The senior ladies. Competition was set to begin the next day the Lillehammer Olympics just six weeks away dominated every conversation. Nancy wore one of her favourite skating dresses all white with an illusion neckline in lace sleeves as AH. She stepped off the ice. She slipped rubber guards on her skate plates in headed for the Locker Room. Her coaches Ev. And Mary Scott Vold followed behind minder they start to talk to an old friend is. Nancy slipped behind a blue cloth curtain blocking the hallway to the locker room suddenly. Ev Heard Nancy cry out. He and Mary rushed behind the curtain and found Nancy on the ground clutching a right knee and shrieking shrieking in pain she'd been attacked. A man had bashed her leg with a metal baton. Witnesses described the assailant as a large urge man in a black cap and leather coat. He was over six feet tall and at least two hundred pounds but before anyone could catch up with him. The attacker smashed smashed through a locked glass door and fled the scene. As Nancy sat on the ground rocking back and forth in pain. She asked over earned over between sobs. Why why but the answer to? Why was self evident? This was about the Olympics Nancy. Let's see was the defending champion and a clear favourite to make the team. Someone wanted to stop that from happening. The question wasn't why why it was who who stood to gain the most from knocking. Nancy out of the running within days the entire world felt they knew exactly who was responsible. Tonya harding coming up up. The police launched an investigation as Nancy and Tanya prepare for the nineteen ninety four Olympics. Now back to the story on Thursday January Sixth Nineteen Ninety four twenty four year old. Nancy Kerrigan was attacked and Detroit's Cobo arena after a practice session for the US figure skating championships the violence of the thing was astounding to both the skating world and the general public immediately. They asked who would do such a thing and just as soon. The world had their suspicions about. Who was responsible Nancy's biggest rival twenty-three-year-old three year old? Tonya harding as New York Times. Reporter Michael Janaf ski wrote in his coverage of the event besides Carrigan the victims were fair play and sportsmanship as January. Sixth attack revealed the dark desperate motives. That sometimes drive people to break rules and laws as a shortcut to fame or fortune or both Tanya alleged that she I heard about the attack a few hours after it happened. One of her coaches coaches woke her up in her hotel room and deliver the news then. She had to put on her skates and go to her own practice session in the Cobo arena yards. Hards away from where the attack occurred. She said that everyone on the ice that day herself included was shaken by the attack. Because no one had been caught yet get in an interview. She referred to the death threats. She received the previous November. Saying I know how she feels and I feel really bad that this happened and I was looking forward to competing against her and I just hope that she's okay. The next morning January seventh Nancy Kerrigan and representatives CBS from the US figure Skating Association gave a press conference. The attack on Nancy hadn't broken any bones but she had a severe bruise on on her right knee cap. She wouldn't be able to compete and probably wouldn't be able to join the nineteen ninety four Olympic team either over the next two. Today's Nancy watched the senior ladies competition from an upper deck box. When it was Tanya's turn to take the ice for her live televised free skate? ABC displayed her horoscope for the day. A long-cherished goal moves within reach. You feel elated. The outside Ed Resources or talents you need are available. Your leadership skills put you ahead of the pack. Tanya said her routine too a- compilation of music from Jurassic Park and opened with a series of dramatic ballot turns almost mimicking the movements of a raptor stalking through the jungle. Then then she took off and landed a huge triple Lutz. Her next move was scheduled to be the triple axel but on the fly she downgraded it to a double double. It was a conservative choice but one that served her well she nailed it and every jump that followed after her finale spin combination when Tania struck her pose on the ice while the arena filled with applause Tanya clenched fists. In victory. She done it. She proven that she still had what it took to be a champion enter marks from the judges reflected for once in technical merit. She earned five five point. Eight and four five point. Nine composition style was less unanimous but impressive all the same to five point. Six's sixes to five point seven's to five point eight three five point nine's she'd done it with those scores. Tanya clinched the gold metal. She was the national champion and she was headed to the nineteen ninety four Olympics. Initially it looked like everything was going. According to Plan Nancy was out and Tanya was in the police had no leads on Nancy's attacker are witnesses couldn't even agree on the assailants race and the police composite. Look nothing like Shane stand. But before they could even fly home from Detroit introit the tide turned citing an obscure rule the figure Skating Association and Olympic Committee angled to give Nancy a spot at the Games. Normally the second-place finisher fourteen year old. Michelle Kwan would join Tanya in Lillehammer but the association decided to take a closer closer look at the bylaws for Nancy Kerrigan Sake. Michelle was young. She'd surely get another Olympics but Nancy. This was her last chance and everyone felt like she'd been robbed of her opportunity. They decided that Nancy and Tanya would take the two team roster spots and Michelle. How would be the alternate? If Nancy couldn't get her leg in shape in time for the Games Michelle would step in but Nancy enter. Team were determined she it was going to compete and there was nothing Tanya could do about it even worse. The police got a break in the assault case. An anonymous tipster gave them the name of one of the men involved Shawn Eckhardt apparently Eckhart carte recorded some of his conversations with Jeff Galina Derrick Smith about planning the attack on Nancy Kerrigan. Then after it occurred he was. I was so proud of the job. He played the tape for friends and neighbors as journalists. Em Swift explained for Eckhart. That tape was proof. Move Real proof that he wasn't a blowhard. Something he had planned had actually come to pass world. History had been changed. And he didn't doesn't seem to care who knew it once Shawn Eckhardt S- role in the attack was revealed the investigation snowballed after several conversations with FBI investigators. Investigators Eckhart signed a confession on January Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety four just a week after the assault that same day Derek. Derek Smith also confessed on January fourteen. Shane stand turned himself into the FBI and also signed a confession. Four days later Tanya herself spoke with the FBI accompanied by her lawyer. The questioning lasted over over ten hours. At first she denied any knowledge of the attack and defended her husband. Jeff saying there was no way. He was involved in the assault but later in the interview. Tony changed her tune to things happened. I during the break in the interrogation her lawyer released a press statement that Tanya Jeff were separating she was clearly getting ahead of the story second she confessed to the FBI that she believed Jeff Half was involved in the planning of the assault. She admitted that she knew as recently as January twelfth after returning from Detroit but had failed L. to notify the police because she was scared that Jeff would kill her. She later alleged that he held a gun to her head and raped her to threaten her into silence. Wants reporter Michael Jonoski wrote in his coverage of Tanya. It was clear what was going on. This was their real divorce. Only by establishing an unambiguous distance from Galilee and the others charged in the case. Could she stave off any decision by the Olympic Committee to drop her from the team. But even at that in the final passage of the report of harding's interview the investigators quote her as having said I just want to say I'm I'm sorry. I hope everyone understands. I'm telling on someone I really care about. I know now he is involved. I'm sorry the next next day January nineteenth nineteen ninety four Jeff Gillooly was arrested for his involvement in the conspiracy and almost immediately he. He pointed the finger back at his wife. He claimed that Tanya not only knew about the plot to bump nancy out of the running but that she was actively involved oft in the planning and Execution Tanya claims that Jeff planned and then implicated her in the attack as a way to get back at her. She said in the Tonya tapes apes that he discovered she'd only reconciled with him because it was suggested by the US figure Skating Association and that she planned to leave him again after the Olympics. She said when he found out he came unglued. He told me he'd ruin me. There was already a media firestorm surrounding Tanya. But Jeff's arrest escalated into a full-blown inferno for the next four weeks. Reporters News Cameras Dog. Tanya everywhere she went they lined the railing at the rink where she practiced. They camped out on her front lawn they even had her truck towed in an attempt to flush her outside for an interview view. The question on everyone's mind was whether or not Tanya would still be allowed to compete at the nineteen ninety for Olympics if she plotted to attack one of her teammates could she really skate along cider the US figure Skating Association and Olympic Committee Committee. Consider this question and released a statement as such. They believed the appropriate thing for Tanya to do was withdraw in in fact. They warned that if she later was convicted of any criminal charges her skating association membership could be in jeopardy but Tanya would have none of that. She claims she hadn't broken any laws and hadn't been convicted of any crime which meant that. She had every right to skate in the Olympics as always Tanya had time for other people's expectations when the Olympic Committee tried to forcibly kissed her off the team she filed a lawsuit. She gave a press conference on January twentieth. The day after Jeff's arrest stating despite my mistakes and my rough edges. I have done nothing. Nothing to violate the standards of excellence and sportsmanship that are expected in an Olympic athlete. I have devoted my entire life to one objective winning an Olympic gold medal from my country. This is my last chance I ask only for your understanding and the opportunity to represent my country with the best figure skating performance of my life but it was a wish that wasn't to be with a constant swarm of press and attention. Tony spent the month leading up to the Lillehammer Games. In fog of stress and suspicion cameras resin reporters following her every move. Journalists called her house and knocked on her door at all hours of the day she was barely able to sleep. Let alone get our ahead of the game. Her home rank was in a public mall. Every jump of her practice was accentuated with dozens of camera shutters and flashes as soon as she stepped off the plane in Lillehammer attention grew tenfold. The entire world was laser focused on the ladies figure skating competition addition waiting to see what these two rivals would do on the ice or perhaps to each other figure skater and commentator. Brian Boitano said let's face it. People will watch Tonya and Nancy to see if they get in a fistfight. It's terrible. They're watching for the wrong reasons on Wednesday February twenty third nineteen ninety four. The Ladies Short Program commenced after months of training and Rehab. Nancy Kerrigan gave a flawless performance. Made all the more impressive knowing what she'd gone through to get there. She ended the day in first place. Tanya wearing the red and gold sequined outfit that snapped open at the previous year's nationals gave a lackluster showing. She flubbed her first. Jump a triple Lutz. Triple flip combination. It set the tone for the rest of her performance which lacked her usual energy and she ended the day in tenth place at the Free Skate. Eight competition two days later the stands were packed with fans. The announcer called Tonya harding to the rink. But she didn't appear the seconds can stick by and the crowd wondered had she suddenly decided not to compete after all trying to add even more drama to it was already eighty one of the most dramatic games in history. When Tonya finally appeared on the ice she was doubled over adjusting? Her Skate. Clearly flustered she. She took her place in the center of the rink shaking her head. She started her program but deliberately fell out of her first jump Her face crumpled after all her work. All these weeks of pressure and press attacks and people telling her to just quit the worst had happened. Bend the lace on her right. Skate had snapped and the boot wouldn't stay on her foot after everything she'd gone through to be there and compete it another dumb equipment. Malfunctioned had derailed. Her Tanya was overcome by it all she started to cry in the middle of the ice she approached. The judges table. Lifted her right foot up so they could see the issue. She tearfully explained what happened as had happened so many times before war. They allowed her to leave the ice and fix her skate. When she returned she gave a good performance hitting all her jumps with the exception of the triple-axle Glaxo which she downgraded to a double? It was a performance to be proud of but ultimately not enough. She finished the day in seventh place. It was the end of her Olympic. Dream Nancy Kerrigan on the other hand gave one of the cleanest most impressive programs of her career wearing a gold. jewelled skating dress skating to a neil diamond compilation. She showed the world that nothing could stop her from achieving her gold medal. Dreams not even an assault however there was another skater on the ice that day that one of the gold even more than Nancy and Tanya Combined Oxana by you while everyone was focused on the greatest rivalry figure skating had ever seen sixteen year old. Ukrainian orphan turned out out to be a dark horse. She was the last woman of the night to skate. After Nancy's staggering free skate numbers. Asana had to pull off an equally qualley perfect program. She did that and more in the final seconds of her routine Asana added in three extra jumps is landing them all giving her the boost. She needed to edge out Nancy. She went home with the gold. Nancy with the Silver Tanya With nothing Tania's lawyers had done everything. They could to delay her criminal proceedings until after the Olympics so that the fallout wind damage. Her shot at the Games but now it was time to face the music on March Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-four twenty-three-year-old year-old Tanya pleaded guilty to obstructing justice and hindering. The prosecution her failure to report which he knew about the attack on Nancy. Sooner was a a Class C felony. She was sentenced to three years probation. Five hundred hours of community service and fined one hundred sixty thousand dollars I on June twenty-ninth the US figure Skating Association convened a panel to decide Tania's fate within the sport. After two days of deliberation nation. They decided to strip her of the Nineteen Ninety Four National Championship win and revoke her membership. In the association this man she was barred Lard as both a skater and coach from any USFSA sponsored event for life. As Tony put it. Her life was over. She said truthfully. I don't remember much about anything after the Olympics because I lost everything that was pretty much the worst thing that could ever happen to me. What am I going to do with my life now? Ironically the scandal between Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya harding renewed interest in the sport of figure skating. GATING for a new generation the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics were one of the highest viewed games in history with an average nightly rating of twenty. Six thanks for comparison. The nineteen eighty miracle on Ice Games averaged twenty three point six. These were numbers comparable to the Super Bowl ticket. Sales at icecapades skating competitions shot up endorsement deals for figure skaters increased tenfold. It was a massive boon to the sport and Tanya was on the outside looking in or from participating in any of it in the years following the ninety four games James Tanya has made a living with a series of odd jobs in the occasional interview. She had a short career as a boxer but also worked as a waitress and a mechanic back with the release of two thousand seventeen. I Tanya starring Margot Robbie. She had a brief resurgence of fame. It wasn't until this time period that many any of the details of her abusive marriage surfaced and the public started to reconsider her guilt or innocence journalists. Sarah Marshall discussed this in her article Komo viewing she wrote as for Tanya's claims about her own innocence. In plot itself any attempt to dismiss her version out of hand somewhat falls apart once when realizes that the dominant version of the story. The story the press picked up and popularized and the story that endured largely for that reason and was Jeff's Tania's version of events is implausible only because it contradicts the story. We've been familiar with for the last twenty years ears today. Tonya harding is remarried and focused on raising her son in April of two thousand eighteen. She competed on dancing with the stars she finished third overall behind. Fellow Skater. Adam repoen and NFL quarterback Josh Norman. She maintains her innocence in the plot to in his day. Thanks again for listening to sports. Criminals will be back next week with a new episode. You can find all episodes of sports criminals and all other park asked originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. have all your favorite music. But now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals like sports criminals for free your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream sports criminals on spotify. I just opened the APP tap browse and type sports criminals in the search bar. And don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network work. We'll see you. Next time sports criminals was created by Max Cutler. And there's a park cast studios original it's executive produced by Max Cutler sound design by Karie Karie Murphy with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden Travis Clark and all Liebskind. This episode of Sports Criminals was written by Abigail Cannon and stars. Tim Johnson and Carter harder. Roy Don't forget to check out podcasts. Heart warming original series dog tales news every Monday dog tales shares inspirational true stories of loyalty courage and sacrifice by some of the most heroic canines in history their incredible tales. You don't WanNa Miss Search for dog details in the spotify APP and listen free today.

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Hostage

16:28 min | 1 year ago

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"It's Carter looking for a new show to binge this Thanksgiving well. I'm excited and thankful to be able able to tell you about another park asked original series. I'm hosting called sports criminals or they may be sports greatest heroes but when it comes to the downfalls windfalls of fame money and ego. They're far more flawed than you think. Every Thursday sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode chronicles the high profile names. You thought you knew in the crimes you'll never forget. Enjoy this exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding if you want to listen to. The full episode follows sports criminals free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. On February Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-one twenty year old. Tonya harding parting stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure skating championships. She cut in atypical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she was about to Attempt something none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel. When music started Tanya I performed back to toback camel spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then then? She pushed off charging down the rink gathering power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left foot gliding backward then Ben launched off her right toe pick and rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade but a triple Lutz. Lots was a relatively routine new for Tonya harding in his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire rink was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled fueled by Momentum Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then. Halfway down the rink she let herself coast on her right foot. One breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated -tated an impossible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed. Tonya harding made read history. As sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was was rocked with violence in scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for all the wrong reasons. Welcome to sports criminals podcast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Corduroy so roy you can find episodes of sports criminals and all other park asked originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to you. Stream sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at par cast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reachout on facebook and instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. This week were diving into the life of Olympic figure figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties. As the first American woman to attempt and complete a triple triple axel jump in competition. She was expected to win gold at the nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics. But she fizzled out. Placing fourth worth. However as we'll cover next week Tanya got another shot two years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer here the favourite to win this time fellow American? Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize until she was attacked by a masked man Dan about six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya? You're really willing to pay in her pursuit of Olympic gold. was she involved in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong on kind of people a victim herself. In any rivalry from the Hatfield mccoys to the capulets capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. While this was certainly the case with Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya harding thing. Their story was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image of a women's figure right. You're skating champion. A glamorous all American girl she was graceful elegant and poised. She looked more like a ballerina in skates than an athlete. Powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes. Were designed by Vera Eurobank. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she was to fit someone someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tone Lok wild thing and Latour's electronic. A hit people are still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tanya. Put it Nancy's a princess. Yes that's how everybody saw her. She's a princess and I'm a pile of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya a clear underdog ugh but she forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent on the ice she could jump higher spin faster and skate harder order. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing what no one else could Tanya. I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn the skating as one of her earliest memories one day while she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with their mom she saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed the first first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so I skated. She was three and a half and she just skated. She was that naturally talented Tania's mother Lavina Golden Allege that Tanya it could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice she taught herself the basics through mimicry to Levinas credit. She recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland Area Diane Rawlinson when the phone initially approached Diane. She refused to take Tanya as a student. She didn't work with children. That young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing her to skate circles around Diane to prove that she was worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the next decade. When by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine? She hit her first triple loop in by fourteen. She was already attempting her now. Famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged that Tanya was self-determined in her training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to go to practice. But it's very likely that Tania's intensity and determination stemmed from a darker source. She had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged edge that every morning her mother filled thermos halfway with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy. Then the two of them headed for the rink at four thirty thirty. Am once they got. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching Tanya Skate drinking from her thermos when she wasn't skating up to snuff lavonia letter no loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter she alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove move and she'd be nothing in Levinas is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected Tanya sense of self. If she wasn't perfect she was worthless. Diane Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic in an interview. Saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother doesn't really really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refused to let five-year-old Tanya leave the ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating. Even after she urinated on herself allegedly leash. She said I paid for you practice. sear going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get Tanya on your also contends that off. The ICE Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again. Lavonia disputes. Is this but other people around. Tanya have made statements to support the allegations. A mother of one of her skating peers alleged that Lavonia once slapped Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra luko Who skated with Tanya? As a child described an incident she witnessed personally into net. Burstein is thirty for thirty documentary. The price of gold. She he said during a skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs Harding just just lost her temper and hit Tony repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend she approached Diane Rawlinson told her she was calling child protective services. But Diane convinced her not to to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Lavonia abusive habits. Were apparently an open secret. The Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and remove Tanya from the harding home her skating career career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport or less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time private lessons costumes. Competition entry fees as a travel to competitions and more. She drove Tonya to the rink. Every morning for practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes times for a double shift in nineteen seventy six interview Albert harding estimated that it costs two hundred twenty five dollars a month for five year. Old Tania's on your lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink. Time in the harding's were not wealthy. People they struggle to pay their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition level in her early teens the cost Burton tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations. Tanya recalled called combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for school picture day so they could use the photos in place of professional headshots. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even over food Portland reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example. Right in front of her with America's America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics picks soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford and clairol she became the featured star of the ICECAPADES. So Oh in Livonia is is once. Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so many endorsement deals the whole harding family would be taken care of for the the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life and Solana pushed and pushed and screamed and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things first that it was acceptable. Able to use violence to get what you want and second that love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best west so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best no matter. The cost cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next next listened to sports criminals. Free on spotify. Or wherever. You get your podcasts.

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Historical Figures

16:31 min | 1 year ago

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"It's Carter looking for a new show to binge this Thanksgiving well. I'm excited and thankful to be able to tell you about another podcast original series. I'm hosting called sports criminals. They may be sports. Greatest Heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame him money and ego they're far more flawed than you think. Every Thursday sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode assode chronicles the high profile names. You thought you knew in the crimes they'll never forget enjoy. This exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes roads on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding. If you want to listen to the full episode follows sports criminals free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts on February Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-one twenty-year-old. Oh Tonya harding stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure skating championships. She cut in atypical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she she was about to attempt something none of fellow competitors could even imagine a triple Axel wegner music started. Tanya I performed warmed back to back camel spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then. She pushed off charging down the rink gathering power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left foot gliding backward cord then launched off her right toe pick and rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade. But a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new for Tonya harding in his commentary figure skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire rink. I was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then halfway down the rink she let herself coast on her right foot one breath to breathes then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya Tanya rotated and impossible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed. Tonya harding thing made history as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when in her life was rocked with violence and scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for all the wrong reasons. And Welcome to sports criminals podcast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke doc the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson and hand. I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. It's to stream sports criminals free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. If you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how. We're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. This week were diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties. As the first American woman to attempt and complete complete a triple axel jump in competition. She was expected to win gold at the nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics. But she fizzled out. Placing fourth however as we'll cover next week. Tanya got another shot two years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she it was no longer the favourite to win this time fellow. American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize till she was attacked by a masked masked man about six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price ice was Tanya really willing to pay her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack on Nancy. Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded the wrong kind of people of victim herself. In any rivalry from the Hatfield mccoys choice to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. This was certainly the case with Nancy Kerrigan and in Tanya harding. Their story was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image of women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl she was graceful elegant and poised. She looks more like a Ballerina in skates dates. Then an athlete powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty and the beast and her costumes. Were designed designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she was us to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tony Luke's wild thing and Latour's Electronica hit. People are still having thinks sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tanya. Put it Nancy's she's a princess that's how everybody saw her she's a princess. I'm a pile of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya a clear ear underdog but she forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent. On the ice she could jump higher spin faster and unscathed harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn to skating as one of her earliest memories one day while she was shopping. The Lloyd Center with their mom. She saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered. My Dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed. The first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so I skated. Did she was three and a half and she just skated. She was that naturally talented. Tania's mother Lavonia golden alleged alleged. Tanya could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice. She taught herself the basics through. Mimicry to LEVINAS MS credit. She recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland area. Diane Rawlinson when the volna initially approached. Diane she refused to take Tanya as a student. She didn't work with children. That young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing her to skate circles around Diane to prove that she was worth training training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the next decade. When by the time I'm Tanya was six? She was landing jumps at nine. She hit her first. Triple loop in by fourteen. She was already attempting her now. Famous Miss Triple Axel Luna alleged that Tanya was self-determined inner training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to go to practice actes but it's very likely that Tania's intensity in determination stemmed from a darker source she had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning her mother filled thermos halfway with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy. Then the two of them headed for the rink at four thirty A. M. Once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate. Drinking from her thermos when she wasn't than skating up to snuff NAVONA. Let her know loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive Yousef instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter. She alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Levinas is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young own child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected. Tania's sense of self. If she wasn't perfect she was worthless. Klis Diane Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic in an interview saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother. It doesn't really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refused to let at five year old. Tanya leave the ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice. sear going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get. Aw Tanya also contends that off. The ICE. Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia Anna disputes. This but other people around Tanya have made statements to support the allegations a mother of one of her skating peers alleged that Lavonia once slapped lap Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on. Sandra Aluko who skated with Tony. As a child described an incident she witnessed personally in the net Burstein thirty for thirty documentary the price of gold and she said during the skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya Andrew Mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs this is harding just lost her temper and hit Tony repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend she approached Diane Rawlinson told her she was calling child protective services. But Diane Convinced Adminster not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Levinas abusive habits. Were apparently an open open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and remove Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport or less generously a snob Bob Sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time private lessons costumes. Competition entry fees travel to competitions and more. She drove Tonya to the rink. Every morning for practice then drove to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes for a double shift in one thousand nine hundred seventy six interview Albert harding estimated that it costs two hundred twenty five dollars a month for five five year. Old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink. Time in the harding's were not wealthy. Not People they struggle to pay their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition level in her early teens the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for school picture Hickson Day so they could use the photos in place of professional headshots. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even over food food Portland reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example. Right in front. Ver- with America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford an clairol she became the featured star of the ICECAPADES. So in Levinas is once Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so. Many endorsement deals the whole harding. Family would be taken care care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life. An so lavonia pushed and pushed and screamed and and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things first that it was was acceptable to use violence to get what you want and second that love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best no matter matter the cost no matter the pain Find out what happens next. Listen to sports criminals free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Serial Killers

16:23 min | 1 year ago

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"Need an extra helping of mystery crime deceit. This thanksgiving then. PODCAST has a shocking series. Just for you you they may be sports greatest heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame money and ego. They're far more flawed than you think. Every Thursday park casts original series sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode chronicles the high profile names. You thought you knew and the crimes crimes you'll never forget enjoy. This exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding. If you want to listen to the full episode follows sports criminals free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. On on February Sixteenth Nineteen Ninety one twenty year old. Tonya harding stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure Skating Championships Championships. She cut in atypical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls us but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she was about to attempt something none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple triple axel winter music started Tanya. I performed back to back camel spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then. She pushed off charging down the rink gathering. Power for a triple Lutz. It's Tonya balanced on her. Left foot gliding backward then launched off her right toe pick and rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade but a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new. Tonya harding in his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire rink was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American Eric into attempt. Incomplete triple axel jump fueled by Momentum Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then. Halfway down the rink she let herself coast on her right foot. One breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated impossible three and a half times before landing back on on the ice on her right blade she nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause in that one split-second second her entire life changed. Tonya harding made history as sports reporter. Chris connerly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence and scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious. Torius or all the wrong reasons Welcome to sports criminals podcast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions ends impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson and I'm Corduroy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals goals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reachout on facebook and instagram at par cast and and twitter at podcast network. This week were diving into the life of Olympic. Figure Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early. Nineteen nineteen ninety s as the first American woman to attempt and complete a triple axel. Jump in competition. She was expected to win gold at the Nineteen Nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics. But she fizzled out. Placing fourth however as we'll cover next week. Tanya got another shot two years years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favourite to win this time fellow. American Nancy Kerrigan was expected acted. Take home the prize until she was attacked by a masked man about six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya really willing to pay in her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack attack on Nancy Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people a victim herself in any rivalry from the Hatfield mccoys to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. And says well. This was certainly the case with Nancy. Kerrigan and Tonya harding. Their story was painted with Stark Pallet with no room for any the gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image of a women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl. She was graceful elegant and poised. She looked more like a ballerina in skates. Then an athlete powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes were designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw aw and unrefined rather than try to change who. She was to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tone Luke's wild wild thing and Latour's Electronica hit people are still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting lighting their differences as Tony. Put it Nancy's a princess. That's how everybody saw her. She's a princess and I'm a pile L. of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya a clear underdog but she forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent on the ice. She could jump higher spin faster and skate harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn skating as one of her earliest memories. One day while she was shopping at the Lloyd the centre with her mom she saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed. The first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or would leave so I skated. She was three and a half and she just skated she was that naturally talented Tania's mother Lavonia golden allege that Tanya could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice she she taught herself the basics through mimicry to Levinas credit. She recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until Oh she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland Area Diane Rawlinson when the bone initially approached Diane. She refused to take Tanya as a student. She didn't work with children. That young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing getting her skate circles around Diane to prove that she was worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the next decade. When by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine? She hit her first triple loop and by fourteen. She was already attempting her now. Famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged that Tanya was self-determined in her training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to go to practice. But it's very likely that Tania's intensity and determination stemmed damned from a darker source. She had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive alcoholic. Tanya leads that every morning her mother filled thermos halfway with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy then the two of them headed for the rink at four thirty. Am once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching shing tiny skate drinking from her thermos when she wasn't skating up to snuff Lavonia let her know loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter she alleged that if no no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Lavonia is she was helping her daughter her achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected Tanya on your sense of self. If she wasn't perfect she was worthless. Diane Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic in an interview. Saying being Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother doesn't really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform form in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refused to let five-year-old Tanya leave the ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to that keeps skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you practice. sear going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get. Tanya also contends that off. The ICE Lavonia was physically abusive. Whenever never she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia disputes? This but other people around Tanya have made statements to support the allegations a mother of one of her skating peers alleged that Lavonia once slapped Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra luko who skated with Tanya as a child described an incident she witnessed personally in the net. Burstein is thirty for thirty documentary. The price of gold. She said during a skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper and hit Tanya repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend. She approached Diane Rawlinson. told her she. She was calling child protective services. But Diane convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was is going on Levinas abusive habits. Were apparently an open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS Scott involved and remove Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially actually a white collar sport or less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. WITTMENT ice time private lessons costumes competition. Entry fees travel to competitions and more. She drove Tonya to the rink. Every morning for a practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes for a double shift in Nineteen seventy-six Interview Albert harding suggested that it costs two hundred twenty five dollars a month for five year. Old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month. Don't just for rink time. In the harding's were not wealthy people. They struggle to pay their bills. Were evicted several times over background. When Tania reached the competition level in her early teens the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards. Words worked multiple jobs and collected donations Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for school picture day so they could use the photos in place of professional headshots. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even over food Portland reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating gating on an empty stomach. Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example right in front of her with America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen eighteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford and in Clare all she became the featured star of the ICECAPADES. So in Livonia is is once Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so oh. Many endorsement deals the whole harding. Family would be taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life and so L. Lavonia pushed and pushed and screamed and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship. Asian ship taught Tanya two things first that it was acceptable to use violence to get what you want and second that love is is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best no matter the cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next. Listened to sports criminals. Free on spotify. Or wherever. You get your podcasts.

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Not Guilty

16:31 min | 1 year ago

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"Ready to spice up your Thanksgiving with real life tales of mystery and crime. Then podcast has the perfect binge inge worthy treat. They may be sports. Greatest Heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame money and ego. They're far more flawed awed than you think. Every Thursday park has original series. Sports Criminals Keeps score on the darker side of sports. Each Chapas owed chronicles the high profile. Names you thought you knew and the crimes you'll never forget enjoyed. This exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding. If you want to listen to the full episode follow sports criminals. Free Free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. On February Sixteenth Nineteen Ninety one twenty year old. Tonya harding stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the U. S. figure skating championships. She cut in eight typical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique league in her appearance she was about to attempt something none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel when her music. I started Tanya. I performed back to back camel spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then. She pushed off charging down the rink gathering. Power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left left foot gliding backward then launched off her right toe pick an rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade. But a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new for Tonya harding. In his commentary figure skating analyst Dick Button invoiced with the entire rink was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum. Tanya held down the ice gaining speed then halfway down the rink think she let herself coast on her right foot. One breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated and impossible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed gene jd. Tonya harding made history as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence and scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for all all the wrong reasons for welcome to sports criminals podcast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. Well this week were diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties. As the first American American woman to attempt and complete a triple axel jump in competition. She was expected to win gold at the nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics. But she fizzled out. Placing fourth however as we'll cover next week. Tanya got another shot two years later in the one thousand nine hundred ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favourite to win this time fellow. American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home. The Prize Hill Hill. She was attacked by a masked man about six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated history. The assault what price was Tanya really willing to pay in her pursuit of Olympic gold. was she involved in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan or or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people a victim herself. In any rivalry rivalry from the hatfields and mccoys to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. While this was certainly the case with Nancy Kerrigan and tiny harding. Their story was painted with Stark Pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image of a women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl. She was graceful elegant poised. She looks more like a Ballerina and skates than an athlete. Powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes were designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather rather than try to change who she was to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tone Luke's wild thing and Latour's Electronica Annika hit people are still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences. As has tony put it Nancy's princess that's how everybody saw her. She's a princess and I'm a pile of crap the differences in these. These women made Tanya a clear underdog which he forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent. On the ice she could jump higher. Fire Spin faster and skate harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn a skating as one of her earliest memories one day while she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with her mom. She saw people both skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried ride and finally she agreed. The first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so I skate it. She was three and a half and she just skated. She was that naturally talented Tania's mother mother Lavonia golden alleged that Tanya could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice. She taught herself the basics through room. Mimicry to Levinas credit. She recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland area. Diane Rawlinson when the Zona initially approached. Diane she refused to take Tanya as a student. She didn't work with children. That young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing her to skate circles around Diane Dan to prove that she was worth training. And it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the next it decades. When by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine? She hit her first. Triple loop in by fourteen. She was already already attempting her now. Famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged that Tanya was self-determined in training up before her four. Am Alarm Clock Doc. Every morning ready to go to practice. But it's very likely that Tania's intensity and determination stemmed from a darker source. She had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning her mother fill the thermos halfway with coffee in the rest of the way with brandy then end two of them headed for the rink at four. Thirty am once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate drinking from her thermos when she wasn't skating up to snuff Lavonia let her know loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied ride that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter. She alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Levinas is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected. Tania's sense of self. If she wasn't wasn't perfect she was worthless. Diane Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic in an interview. Saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother doesn't really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Tori Lavonia refused to let five-year-old Tanya leave the ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice. So you're going to stay on that ice in practice. Unido all the practice you can get Tanya also contends that off. The ICE Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia disputes. This but other people around Tanya have made statements to support the allegations a mother of one of her skating peers alleged that Lavonia once slapped Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra luko who skated with Tanya. As a child described an incident she witnessed personally in the net Burstein thirty for thirty documentary Henry. The price of gold. She said during the skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and mom came in their Tanya was having having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper and hit Tanya repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me and Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend she approached. Diane Rawlinson told her she was calling child protective services his but Diane convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Levinas abusive use of habits. Were apparently an open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and remove Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport. More more less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time. Private lessons is costumes competition. Entry fees travel to competitions and more. She drove Tonya to the rink. Every morning for practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes for a double shift in Nineteen seventy-six Interview Albert Harding estimated that it costs two hundred twenty twenty five dollars a month for five year. Old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink time. In the harding's were not wealthy. People they struggle to pay their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition in level in her early teens the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition competition outfit for School Picture Day. So they could use the photos. In place of professional headshots. Every single dollar went into skating. Ding sometimes even over food Portland reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example. Right in front of her with America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating gaining championships and Olympics. Soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford and clairol she became the featured Richard Star of the ICECAPADES. So in Levinas is wants Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so many endorsement deals the whole harding family would be taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life and so- Lavonia pushed and pushed changed and screamed and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest assist physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things. I that it was acceptable to use violence. To get what you want and second that love is conditional. She was only only worthy of affection if she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best no matter the cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next. Listen to sports criminals free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Survival

16:27 min | 1 year ago

Listen First! SPORTS CRIMINALS, A Parcast Original Series!

"Hey it's tim looking for a new show to binge this Thanksgiving well. I am thrilled to tell you about another podcast original series. I am hosting called sports criminals. They may be sports. Greatest Heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame fame money and ego. They're far more flawed than you think. Every Thursday sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode chronicles goals the high profile names. You thought you knew and the crimes you'll never forget. Enjoy this exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding if you want to listen to the full episode follow Sports Criminals Free On spotify or wherever you get your podcast on February Sixteenth Nineteen Ninety one twenty year old. Tonya harding stepped onto to the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure skating championships. She cut in atypical figure. Her skating dress was mint green gene polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she was about to attempt something thing none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel winter music started Tanya. I performed back to back camel. Oh spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then. She pushed off not charging down the rink gathering power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left foot gliding backward then launched off of her right toe pick and rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade but a triple Lutz was a relatively Tivoli routine new for Tonya harding. In his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire rink was thinking and and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum wintom Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then. Halfway down the rink she let herself coast on her right foot. One breath tube riffs then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated and impossible possible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed it. The crowd exploded exploded in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed. Tonya harding made history. Sorry as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence violence and scandal Tonya. Harding would be notorious for all the wrong reasons. Welcome to sports criminals a podcast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy you. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream sports porch criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. Well this week we're diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya on your harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties. As the first American woman to attempt and complete a triple axel jump. I'm in competition. She was expected to win gold at the nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics. But she fizzled out. Placing fourth however however as we'll cover next week. Tanya got another shot two years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favourite to win this time fellow. American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize until she was attacked by a masked man about six six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya really willing to pay in her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people people a victim herself in any rivalry from the hatfields and mccoys to the capulets and montagues abuse animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. This was certainly the case with Nancy. Kerrigan and Tonya harding. Their the story was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image of a women's figure. Skating champion Indian a glamorous all American girl. She was graceful elegant in post. She looked more like a ballerina in skates than an athlete. Powerful awful enough to launch herself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes were designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she was to fit someone else's standard pandered. She seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines jeans were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tone Luke's wild thing and Latour's Elettronica hit people are still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tony. Put it Nancy's a princess. That's that's how everybody saw her. She's a princess and I'm a pile of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya a clear underdog but she. She forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent on the ice she could jump higher spin faster and skate harder. She she made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn to skating as one of her earliest memories one day while she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with her mom she saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had had to try it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed. The first thing I did does make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so I skated. She was three the and a half and she just skated. She was that naturally talented. Tania's mother Lavonia golden alleged that Tanya could pick up any any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice. She taught herself the basics through mimicry. To levinas credit she recognized. I immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland Area Diane Rawlinson uh when the volna initially approached Diane. She refused to take Tanya as a student. She didn't work with children. That young but not to be denied aid Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing her to skate circles around Diane to prove that she was worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the next decade. When by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine? She hit her first triple loop in by fourteen. She was already attempting her now. Famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged that Tanya was self-determined in her training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to go to practice. But it's very very likely that Tania's intensity in determination stemmed from a darker source she had to be the best to survive live. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning morning her mother filled thermos halfway with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy. Then the two of them headed for the rink at four thirty. Am once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate drinking from her thermos when she wasn't skating up to snuff Lavonia let her know loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she she saw herself as motivating her daughter. She alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd been nothing in Lavonia is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected. Tania's sense of self. If she wasn't perfect she was worthless. Diane Rawlinson Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic in an interview. Saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother doesn't really know how how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refused to let five-year-old Tanya leave the the ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice sear going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get Tanya. Also contends attends that off. The ICE Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia disputes. This but other other people around Tanya have made statements to support the allegations a mother of one of her skating peers alleged that Lavonia once slapped Tanya in the face so so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra luko who skated with Tanya. As a child described an incident she witnessed personally in the net Burstein thirty for thirty documentary. The price of gold. She said during a skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper per and hit Tanya repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend. She approached Diane Rawlinson and told her she was calling child protective services. But Diane convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Levinas abusive habits. Were apparently an open secret in the Portland escape community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and removed Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport or less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly credibly. Expensive and time consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time. Private lessons costumes competition. Entry fees travel to competitions competitions and more she drove on you to the rink every morning for practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work oftentimes for a double double shift in one thousand nine hundred seventy six interview Albert harding estimated. That cost two hundred twenty five dollars a month for five year. Old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink time. In the harding's were not wealthy people. They struggle legal to pay their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition level in her early teens the cost burden tripled bolt to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds levona Dress Tanya in her competition outfit for school picture day so they could use use the photos in place of professional headshots. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even over food Portland reporter reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made need a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example. Right in front of her with America's Sweetheart Heart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford and clairol she became the featured star of the ICECAPADES. So in Lavonia Bona's is once Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so many endorsement deals the whole harding family would be taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life and so- Lavonia pushed and pushed and screamed and slapped and beat Tanya on Ya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally only stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things first that it was acceptable to use. Violence wants to get what you want and second that love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best no matter the cost no no matter the pain to find out what happens next. Listen to sports criminals free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast.

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Mythology

16:32 min | 1 year ago

Listen First! SPORTS CRIMINALS, A Parcast Original Series!

"Ready to spice up your Thanksgiving with real life tales of mystery and crime than podcast has the perfect binge binge worthy treat. They may be sports. Greatest Heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame money and ego. They're far more flawed. Laud than you think. Every Thursday park has original series. Sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each each episode. Chronicles the high profile names. You thought you knew and the crimes you'll never forget enjoyed. This exclusive clip from the first first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding. If you want to listen to the full episode follow Sports Criminals Free On spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. On February Sixteenth Nineteen Eighteen Ninety one twenty year old. Tonya harding stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure skating championships. She caught but in atypical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than the unique in her appearance she was about to attempt something none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel. When her music music started Tanya I performed back to back camel spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade aid as she whipped her body around then? She pushed off charging down the rink gathering power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on in her left foot gliding backward then launched off her right toe pick rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly early on her right blade but a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new for Tonya harding in his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Doc. Button voiced with the entire rink was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then halfway down rink she let herself coast on her right foot. One breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated and impossible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade aide she nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause in that one split-second her entire life exchanged. Tonya harding made history as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence and scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for for all the wrong reasons for welcome to sports. Criminals Park cast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants up. Their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other park asked originals for free on spotify five or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. I we are grateful for you. Our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing retail on facebook and instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. Well this week were diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties. As the first first American woman to attempt and complete a triple axel jump in competition. She was expected to win gold at the nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics bex but she fizzled out placing fourth. However as we'll cover next week Tanya got another shot two years later in the one thousand nine hundred ninety four or Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favourite to win this time fellow? American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize until she was attacked by a masked man about six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya really willing to pay her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people a victim herself in any any rivalry from the Hatfield mccoys to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. While this was certainly certainly the case with Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya harding. Their story was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy Ansi fit the prototypical image of a women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl she was graceful elegant and poised she. She looked more like a ballerina in skates than an athlete. Powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. Beauty and the beast and her costumes. Were designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she was to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tone Luke's wild thing and Latour's Electronica Chanaka hit people are still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tanya. Put it Nancy's princess that's how everybody saw her. She's a princess and I'm a pile of crap. The differences is in these women made Tanya a clear underdog which he forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent on the ice she could jump pyre spin faster and skate harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn to skating as one of her earliest memories one day while she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with her mom she saw. Yeah people skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried cried and finally she agreed. The first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others. We'll leave so I skated. She was three and a half and she just skated. She was that naturally talented Tania's on his mother Lavonia golden alleged that Tanya could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice. She taught herself the basics. Seru mimicry to loan credit. She recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating gating coach in the Portland area. Diane Rawlinson when the Zona initially approached. Diane she refused to take Tanya as a student she. He didn't work with children that young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four-year-old Tanya out onto the rink instructing. Her to skate circles around. Diane Diane to prove that she was worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the the next decade. When by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine? She hit her first triple loop and by fourteen. She was has already attempting her now. Famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged. Tanya was self-determined in training up before her four. AM alarm arm clock every morning. Ready to go to practice. But it's very likely that Tania's intensity and determination stemmed from a darker source. Course she had the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly the an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning her mother filled thermos halfway with coffee in the rest of the way with brandy. Then the two of them headed for the rink at four thirty. Am once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate drinking from her thermos when she wasn't skating up to snuff lavonia letter no loudly criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter she alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Levinas is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of young child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected Tania's sense of self. If she wasn't perfect she was worthless. Diane Rawlinson describe this confusing dynamic in an interview saying Tanya's family loves for deeply but her mother doesn't really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal full story. Lavonia refused to let five-year-old Tanya leave the ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice serious going to stay on that ice in practice. You I need all the practice you can get Tanya. Also contends that off the Ice Lavonia was physically abusive. Whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform form will again Lavonia disputes? This but other people around town you have made statements to support the allegations. A mother of one of her skating peers. Here's alleged that Lavonia wants slap Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra luko who skated with Tanya as a child described an incident she witness personally in the net-bursting thirty for thirty documentary. Kamensky the price of gold. She said during the skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was was having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper and hit Tony repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend she approached Diane Rawlinson told her she was calling child protective services ervices but Diane convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Lavonia abusive abusive habits. Were apparently an open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and remove Tanya on your from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport for less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming loan paid for equipment. Ice Time private lessons essence costumes competition. Entry fees travel to competitions and more. She drove Tonya to the rink. Every morning for practice then drove her to school rule then drove herself to work. oftentimes for a double shift in one thousand nine hundred seventy six interview Albert harding estimated that it costs two hundred under twenty five dollars a month for five year. Old Tania's lessons in two thousand eighteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink time. And the harding's were not wealthy. People they struggle to pay their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition titian level in her early teens the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for school picture day so they could use the photos in place of professional headshots. Every single dollar went into skating skating sometimes even over food Portland reporter and Schadt said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example right in front of her with America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen. Seventy six world. Figure right. You're skating championships and Olympics. Soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford and clairol she became and the featured star of the ICECAPADES. So in Lavonia is wants. Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so many endorsement deals the whole whole harding family would be taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life and so- Lavonia pushed and pushed pushed and screamed and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things things I that it was acceptable to use violence to get what you want and second that love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better. You're be the best no matter. The cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next listened to sports criminals. Free on spotify. Or wherever. You get your podcasts.

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Kingpins

16:26 min | 1 year ago

Listen First! SPORTS CRIMINALS, A Parcast Original Series!

"Looking for some binge worthy true crime to dive into over Thanksgiving then par cast has a thrilling show just for you. They may be sports as greatest heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame money ego they're far more flawed than you think. Thank every Thursday par casts original series. Sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode chronicles the high profile. My Name's you thought you knew and the crimes you'll never forget enjoy. This exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure. Skater Tonya harding. If you WANNA listen to the full episode follow Sports Criminals Free On spotify or wherever you get your podcasts breath on February Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-one twenty year old. Tonya harding stepped onto the ice. Yes in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure skating championships. She caught in a typical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Oh yesterday her blonde. bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she was about to attempt something none one of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel music started Tanya I performed back to back camel spins and extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then. She pushed off charging down the rink gathering power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left foot gliding backward then launched off her right right toe pick and rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade but a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new for Tonya. Harding in his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire rink was thinking and now now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then halfway down the rink she let herself coast on her right foot. One one breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated and impossible the three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed it. The crowd exploded voted in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed. Tonya harding made history as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story. Right there it would be one of the Happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence since scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for all the wrong reasons. Welcome to sports. It's criminals podcast. Original every week we dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke. The rules is an covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can and find episodes of sports criminals and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream. Sports criminals the middle for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar a podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let there's no how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. Well this week were diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties. As the first American woman to attempt and complete a triple axel jump in competition. She was expected to win gold at the nineteen ninety-two Albertville Olympics. But she fizzled out. Placing fourth however whereas we'll cover next week. Tanya got another shot two years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favourite to win this time fellow. American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize until she was attacked by a masked man about six weeks weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya really willing to pay in her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people a victim herself in any rivalry from the Hatfield mccoys to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. This was certainly the case with Nancy. Kerrigan and Tonya harding their story. It was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image of a women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl. She was graceful elegant and poised. She looked more like a ballerina and skates than an athlete. Powerful enough have to launch herself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes were designed by Vera Wang Tanya. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she was to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines were were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tony Luke's wild thing and Latour is electronially. Hit people are still having sex. The two women and couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tanya. Put it Nancy's a princess. That's how everybody everybody saw her. She's a princess and I'm a pile of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya clear underdog but she forced I the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent on the ice she could jump higher spin faster and skate harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn to skating as one of her earliest earliest memories. One day while she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with her mom she saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had triet Hi it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed. The first thing I did was make a pilot shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so I skated. She was three and the half and she just skated she was that naturally talented Tania's mother Lavonia golden allege that Tanya could pick up any kind kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice she taught herself basics through mimicry to Levinas credit. She recognized immediately radiantly that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland area. Diane Rawlinson when Bona initially approach. Diane she refused to take Tanya as a student. She didn't work with children that young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four-year-old Tanya out onto the rink instructing. Her to skate circles around Diane to prove that she was worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the next decade. By the time Tanya was six she was landing adding jumps at nine. She hit her first triple loop and by fourteen. She was already attempting her now. Famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged that Tanya was self-determined in her training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to go to practice. But it's very likely likely that Tania's intensity in determination stemmed from a darker source. She had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning her mother filled a thermos halfway with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy then the two of them headed for the rink at four thirty. Am once once they got to. The Ice Lavina stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate drinking from her thermos when she wasn't skating up to snuff. Navona I wanna let her know loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw ourself as motivating her daughter she alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Levinas is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child ego this constant constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected. Tania's sense of self. If she wasn't perfect she was worthless. Diane Rawlinson often described this confusing dynamic in an interview. Saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother doesn't really know how to get the the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refused to let five-year-old Tanya leave. The ice is to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice. sear going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get Tanya. Also contends is that off. The ICE Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia disputes. This but other people around Tanya have made statements to support the allegations. A mother of one of her skating peers alleged that Luna wants slap Tanya in the face so oh hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra luko who skated with Tanya. As a child described an incident she witnessed personally in the net Burstein thirty for thirty documentary. The price of gold. She said during the skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper and hit Tanya repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect attacked her friend. She Approach Diane Rawlinson and told her she was calling child protective services. But Diane convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Levinas. Abusive Habits. Apparently an open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and remove Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over her figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport or less generally a snob sport. It's incredibly the expensive and time-consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time private lessons costumes. Competition entry fees travel to competitions wins. And more she drove Tonya to the rink every morning for practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes for a double shift left in one thousand nine hundred seventy six interview. Albert harding estimated that it cost two hundred twenty five dollars a month for five year. Old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink time. In the harding's were not wealthy. People they struggle to pay. Hey their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition level in her early teens the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked multiple jobs and collected donations. Tanya recalled combing roadsides sides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for school picture day so they could use the photos in place of professional headshots. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even over food Portland Reporter Ann Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made a a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example right in front of her with America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics soon and after she was a spokesperson for Ford and clairol she became the featured star. The icecapades so in Livonia is once Tanya was Olympian. She'd get so. Many endorsement deals the whole harding. Family would be taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to better life and so Levin pushed and pushed and screamed and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor. She left her emotionally stunted daunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things first that it was acceptable to use violence to get what you want in second that love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best so so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best no matter the cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next. Listen into sports criminals free on spotify. Or wherever. You get your podcasts.

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Unexplained Mysteries

16:30 min | 1 year ago

Listen First! SPORTS CRIMINALS, A Parcast Original Series!

"Need an extra helping of mystery crime and deceit. This thanksgiving then. PODCAST has an intriguing freaking show just for you. They may be sports. Greatest Heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame money and ego. They're far more flawed flaw than you think. Every Thursday podcasts original series sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode chronicles articles the high profile names. You thought you knew and the crimes you'll never forget. Enjoy this exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding if you want to listen to. The full episode follows sports criminals. Free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. On February Sixteenth Nineteen Ninety one twenty one two year old. Tonya harding stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure skating championships. She cut in atypical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she was about to attempt something none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel. Winter Music Started Tanya. I I performed back to back camel spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then she pushed off charging down the rink gathering. Power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left foot gliding reading backward then launched off her right toe pick and rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade. But a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new for Tonya harding in his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire Arinc was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then halfway down the rink she let herself coast coast on her right foot. One breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated and impossible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed. Tonya harding made history as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence and scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for all the wrong. The reasons welcome to sports criminals park has original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also one cover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts casts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP anti sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter podcast network. Well this week were diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties as the first American woman to attempt Dan complete a triple axel jump in competition. She was expected to win. Gold at the nineteen ninety two Albertville Olympics but she fizzled doubt placing fourth. However as we'll cover next week Tanya got another shot two years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favorite to win this time fellow? American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize until she was attacked. Act by a masked man about six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya really willing to pay in her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people a victim herself. In any rivalry from the hatfields needs and McCoy's to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. This was certainly the case with Nancy Kerrigan Oregon and Tonya harding. Their story was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image. Image of a women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl she was graceful elegant poised. She looks more like a Ballerina and skates then an athlete powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes. Booms were designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she she was to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tony Luke's wild thing and Latour's electronic hit people are still still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tanya. Put it Nancy's Nancy's a princess. That's how everybody saw her. She's a princess pile of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya a clear underdog but she forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent. On the ice she could jump higher spin faster. Stir and skate harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She describe being drawn to skating as one of her earliest memories one day while she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with her mom she saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed read. The first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so hi skated three and a half and she just skated. She was the naturally talented Tania's mother Lavina Golden Allege that Tanya could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice. She taught herself the basics through mimicry. To levinas credit she recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland area. Yeah Diane Rawlinson when the Bona initially approached Diane. She refused to take Tanya's student. She didn't work with children. That young young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing her to skate circles around Diane to prove that she was is worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They end up working together for the next decade. When by by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine? She hit her first triple loop in fourteen. She was already attempting her now. How famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged? That Tanya was self-determined inner training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to we go to practice. But it's very likely that Tania's intensity in determination stemmed from a darker source she had had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning her mother filled thermos halfway with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy. Then the two of them headed for the rink at four. Thirty a m once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate drinking from her thermos when when she wasn't skating up to snuff Lavonia let her know loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter she alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Levinas is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected Tania's sense of self if she wasn't perfect she worthless. Diane Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic in an interview. Saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother mother doesn't really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refused used to let five-year-old Tanya Lee ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice. sear going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get at Tanya. Also contends that off. The ICE Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia disputes. This but other people around Tanya have made statements to support the allegations a mother of one of her skating peers alleged. That Lavonia once wants slapped Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra Lupo who skated with Tanya. As a child described an incident she witnessed personally in the net Burstein thirty for thirty documentary. The price of of gold. She said during a skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper and hit Tanya repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend. She approached Diane Rawlinson and told her she was calling child protective services. But Diane Dan convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Levinas abusive habits. Were apparently Leeann. Open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and removed Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport or less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time private lessons costumes. Competition Titian entry fees travel to competitions and more. She drove Tonya to the rink. Every morning for practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes for double shift in one thousand nine hundred seventy six interview Albert harding estimated that it costs two hundred twenty five dollars a month. The for five year old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink. Time in the harding's were not not wealthy people. They struggle to pay their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition level in her early teens means the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for School School Picture Day so they could use the photos. In place of professional headshot. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even even over food Portland reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example. Right right in front of her with America's sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford and Claire All she became the featured star of the ICECAPADES. PADE's so in Livonia is once Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so many endorsement deals the whole harding family would taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life an so lavonia pushed and pushed and screamed named and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things first that it was acceptable to use violence to get what you want and second love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best. No matter the cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next listened to sports criminals. Free on spotify over ever. You get your podcasts.

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16:33 min | 1 year ago

Listen First! SPORTS CRIMINALS, A Parcast Original Series!

"Need an extra helping of mystery crime and deceit. This thanksgiving then par cast has an intriguing frigging show just for you. They may be sports. Greatest Heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame money and ego. They're far more flawed flawed than you think every Thursday podcasts original series sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode chronicles articles the high profile names. You thought you knew and the crimes you'll never forget. Enjoy this exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding if you want to listen to. The full episode follows sports criminals. Free on spotify over. Ever you get your podcasts. On February Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-one twenty one two year old. Tonya harding stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for the US figure skating championships. She cut in atypical figure. Her skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she was about to attempt something none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel. Winter Music Started Tanya. I I performed back to back camel spins extending her right leg behind her in arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then she pushed off charging down the rink gathering. Power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left foot gliding reading backward then launched off her right toe pick and rotated in the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade. But a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new for Tonya harding in his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire Arinc was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum Tanya propelled down the ice gaining speed then halfway down the rink she let herself coast coast on her right foot. One breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated and impossible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed. Tonya harding made history as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence and scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for all the wrong. The reasons welcome to sports criminals park has original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also one cover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts casts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP anti sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter podcast network. Well this week were diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the pinnacle of her career in the early nineteen nineties as the first American woman to attempt Dan complete a triple axel jump in competition. She was expected to win. Gold at the nineteen ninety two Albertville Olympics but she fizzled doubt placing fourth. However as we'll cover next week Tanya got another shot two years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favorite to win this time fellow? American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize until she was attacked to by a masked man about six weeks before the Games and many people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya really willing to pay in her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people a victim herself. In any rivalry from the hatfields needs and McCoy's to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences. This was certainly the case with Nancy Kerrigan Oregon and Tonya harding. Their story was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image. Image of a women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl she was graceful elegant poised. She looks more like a Ballerina and skates then an athlete powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes. Booms were designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she she was to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to like rapper. Tony Luke's wild thing and Latour's electronic hit people are still still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tanya. Put it Nancy's Nancy's a princess. That's how everybody saw her. She's a princess and I am a pile of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya a clear underdog but she forced the skating world to recognize that she was a contender with her talent. On the ice she could jump higher spin faster. Stir and skate harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice at three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She describe being drawn to skating as one of her earliest memories one day while she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with her mom she saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered my dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed read. The first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start to eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so hi skated three and a half and she just skated. She was the naturally talented Tania's mother Lavina Golden Allege that Tanya could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone else on the ice. She taught herself the basics through mimicry. To levinas credit she recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland area. Yeah Diane Rawlinson when the Bona initially approached Diane. She refused to take Tanya's student. She didn't work with children. That young young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing her to skate circles around Diane to prove that she was is worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They end up working together for the next decade. When by by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine? She hit her first triple loop in fourteen. She was already attempting her now. How famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged? That Tanya was self-determined inner training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to we go to practice. But it's very likely that Tania's intensity in determination stemmed from a darker source she had had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning her mother filled thermos halfway with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy. Then the two of them headed for the rink at four. Thirty a m once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate drinking from her thermos when and she wasn't skating up to snuff Lavonia let her know loudly. Criticizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter she alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Levinas is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected Tania's sense of self if she wasn't perfect she worthless. Diane Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic in an interview. Saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother mother doesn't really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refused used to let five-year-old Tanya Lee ice to use the bathroom instead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice. sear going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get at Tanya. Also contends that off. The ICE Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia disputes. This but other people around Tanya have made statements to support the allegations a mother of one of her skating peers alleged. That Lavonia once wants slapped Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the stool. She was seated on Sandra Lupo who skated with Tanya. As a child described an incident she witnessed personally in the net Burstein thirty for thirty documentary. The price of of gold. She said during a skating competition. I was in the bathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper and hit Tanya repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend. She approached Diane Rawlinson and told her she was calling child protective services. But Diane Dan convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already painfully aware of what was going on Levinas abusive habits. Were apparently Leeann. Open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also knew that if CPS got involved and removed Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport or less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time private lessons costumes. Competition Titian entry fees travel to competitions and more. She drove Tonya to the rink. Every morning for practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes for double shift in one thousand nine hundred seventy six interview Albert harding estimated that it costs two hundred twenty five dollars a month. The for five year old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over a thousand dollars a month just for rink. Time in the harding's were not not wealthy people. They struggle to pay their bills and were evicted several times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition level in her early teens means the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Lavonia maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for School School Picture Day so they could use the photos. In place of professional headshot. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even even over food Portland reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the time Tanya was skating on an empty stomach Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example. Right right in front of her with America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics soon after she was a spokesperson for Ford and Claire All she became the featured star of the ICECAPADES. PADE's so in Livonia is once Tanya was an Olympian. She'd get so many endorsement deals the whole harding family would taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better life. An so lavonia pushed and pushed and screamed aimed and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things first that it was acceptable to use violence to get what you want and second love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best. No matter the cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next. Listen to sports criminals free on spotify over ever. You get your podcasts.

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Extraterrestrial

16:24 min | 1 year ago

Listen First! SPORTS CRIMINALS, A Parcast Original Series!

"Hey it's tim looking for a new show to binge this Thanksgiving well. I am thrilled to tell you about another podcast original series. I'm I'm hosting called sports criminals. They may be sports. Greatest Heroes but when it comes to the downfalls of fame money and ego. They're far more or flawed than you think. Every Thursday sports criminals keep score on the darker side of sports each episode chronicles the high profile names. You thought you knew you and the crimes you'll never forget enjoy. This exclusive clip from the first of two captivating episodes on disgraced figure skater. Tonya harding. If you want to listen to the full episode follow Sports Criminals Free On spotify or wherever you get your podcast on February Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-one twenty-year-old. Tonya harding stepped onto the ice in Minneapolis Minnesota for for the U. S. figure skating championships. She cut in atypical figure. Skating dress was mint green polyester. Her Blonde bangs were teased into frizzy curls but Tanya was more than unique in her appearance she was about to attempt something none of her fellow competitors could even imagine a triple axel. wegner music started Tanya. I performed back to back camel spins extending her right leg behind behind her in Arabesque balancing on her left blade as she whipped her body around then. She pushed off charging down the rink gathering during power for a triple Lutz. Tanya balanced on her left foot gliding backward then launched off her right toe pick and rotated in the the air three times. She landed perfectly on her right blade. But a triple Lutz was a relatively routine new for Tonya harding in his commentary. Figure Skating analyst Dick Button voiced with the entire rink was thinking and now the question is whether she will become the first American to attempt and complete a triple axel jump fueled by momentum Tanya propelled down the ice is gaining speed then. Halfway down the rink she let herself coast on her right foot. One breath to breaths then she turned and pushed off the outside edge of her left skate. Tanya rotated impossible three and a half times before landing back on the ice on her right blade she nailed it. The crowd exploded in cheers and applause. In that one split-second her entire life changed. Tonya harding made history as sports reporter. Chris Connelly lamented. If we could stop her story right there it would be one of the happiest stories you could ever see see but her dreams would end abruptly less than three years later when her life was rocked with violence and scandal. Tonya harding would be notorious for all the wrong reasons. You're welcome to sports. Criminals par cast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals else and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. Well this week were diving into the life of Olympic figure. Skater Tonya harding. She reached the Pinnacle Nicole of her career in the early nineteen nineties. As the first American woman to attempt and complete a triple axel jump in competition she was expected back to win gold at the nineteen ninety two Albertville Olympics but she fizzled out placing fourth. However as we'll cover next week Tanya got another shot two years later in the nineteen ninety four Lillehammer Olympics but she was no longer the favourite to win this time fellow? American Nancy Kerrigan was expected to take home the prize until she was attacked by a masked man about six weeks before the Games and many any people suspected that her greatest rival Tonya orchestrated the assault. What price was Tanya really willing to pay her pursuit of Olympic gold? was she involved in the attack on Nancy. Kerrigan or was she simply surrounded by the wrong kind of people a victim herself in any rivalry from the hatfields and mccoys to the capulets and montagues animosities are deepened by our fundamental differences of this was certainly the case with Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya harding. Their story was painted with a stark pallet with no room for any gray area. Nancy fit the prototypical image of a women's figure skating champion a glamorous all American girl royal she was graceful elegant poised. She looks more like a Ballerina Skates then an athlete powerful enough to launch yourself into the air with one foot put. Her routines were set to compilations from beauty. And the beast and her costumes were designed by Vera Wang. Tanya on the other hand was pure heure power raw and unrefined rather than try to change who she was to fit someone else's standard she seemed to enjoy shoving in her sharp edges down their throats. She sewed her own costumes using bright garish fabrics. Her routines were set to the music. She liked listening to the rapper. Tony Luke's wild thing and Latour's Electronica hit. People are still having sex. The two women couldn't have been more opposite in the media relished in highlighting their differences as Tanya. Put it Nancy's a princess. That's how everybody saw her. She's a princess. Incest and I am a pile of crap. The differences in these women made Tanya clear underdog which he forced the skating world to recognize that she contender with her talent. On the ice she could jump higher spin faster and skate harder. She made the world pay attention to her by accomplishing accomplishing. What no one else could Tanya? I stepped onto the ice. I said three and a half years old in her biography. The Tonya tapes. She described being drawn to skating as one of her earliest memories one day meanwhile she was shopping at the Lloyd Center with her mom. She saw people skating on the malls public rink. She had to try it. She remembered my. Hi Dad said Okay and my mother said no so I cried and finally she agreed. The first thing I did was make a pile of shavings on the ice and start the eat them. My mother told me I had to skate. Like the others or we'd leave so I skated. She was three and a half and she just skated gated. She was the naturally talented. Tania's mother Lavonia golden alleged that Tanya could pick up any kind of move just by watching someone someone else on the ice. She taught herself the basics through mimicry. To levinas credit she recognized immediately that her daughter was special so she asked around until she found Tanya the best ice skating coach in the Portland Area Diane Rawlinson when the volna initially approached Diane a an. She refused to take Tanya's a student. She didn't work with children young but not to be denied. Lavonia sent four year old Tanya out onto the rink instructing. Her Skate circles around Diane to prove that she was worth training and it worked. Diane agreed to a six month trial period. They ended up working together for the next decade. On by the time Tanya was six she was landing jumps at nine she hit hitter. I triple loop and by fourteen. She was already attempting her now. Famous triple Axel Lavonia alleged that Tanya was self-determined off determined in her training up before her four. AM alarm clock every morning. Ready to go to practice. But it's very likely that Tania's intensity and determination determination stemmed from a darker source. She had to be the best to survive. Lavonia was reportedly an abusive Alcoholic Tanya alleged that every morning her mother filled thermos halfway way with coffee and the rest of the way with brandy then the two of them headed for the rink at four thirty. Am once they got to. The Ice Lavonia stood on the sidelines watching tiny skate. Drinking from her thermos when she wasn't skating up to snuff Lavonia let her know loudly. Criticizing the sizing her in front of everyone. Lavonia has denied that any of her comments were abusive instead she saw herself as motivating her daughter she alleged that if no one told Tanya she wasn't good enough then she wouldn't feel like she had anything to prove and she'd be nothing in Levinas is is she was helping her daughter achieve her potential but given the fragility of a young child's ego this constant stream of criticism from her mother likely affected Tanya sense of self. If she wasn't perfect she was worthless. Diane Rawlinson described this confusing dynamic hammock in an interview saying Tanya's family loves her deeply but her mother doesn't really know how to get the best out of her. She tends to put with her down to get her to perform in one. Apocryphal Story. Lavonia refuse to let five-year-old Tanya leave the ice to use the bathroom instead dead. She forced her to keep skating even after she urinated on herself. allegedly she said I paid for you to practice. sear going going to stay on that ice in practice. You need all the practice you can get. Tanya also contends that off the Ice Lavonia was physically abusive whenever she felt like Tanya didn't perform well again Lavonia disputes. This but other people around Tanya have made statements is to support the allegations. A mother of one of her skating peers alleged that Lavonia at once slapped Tanya in the face so hard it knocked her off the a stool. She was seated on Sandra luko who skated with Tanya as a child described an incident events. She witnessed personally in the net-bursting thirty for thirty documentary. The price of gold. She said during the skating competition. I was in the bathroom aathroom and Tanya and her mom came in their Tanya was having some issues and Mrs Harding just lost her temper and hit Tony repeatedly with a hairbrush. It was very very very upsetting to me. Sandra only eleven at the time was determined to protect her friend. She approached Diane Dan Rawlinson and told her she was calling child protective services. But Diane convinced her not to do it because of course Diane was already Eddie. Painfully aware of what was going on Levinas abusive habits. Were apparently an open secret in the Portland Skating community but everyone also oh knew that if CPS got involved and remove Tanya from the harding home her skating career would be over figure. Skating is essentially a white collar sport or less generously a snob sport. It's incredibly expensive and time. Consuming Lavonia paid for equipment. Ice Time private lessons costumes. Competition entry fees traveled to competitions and more. She drove on on you to the rink every morning for practice then drove her to school then drove herself to work. oftentimes for a double shift in a nineteen seventy-six interview Albert harding estimated that it costs two hundred twenty five dollars a month for five year. Old Tania's lessons in two thousand nineteen. That would be over for a thousand dollars a month just for rink time. In the harding's were not wealthy. People they struggle to pay their bills and were evicted several Israel Times over back rent. When Tonya reached the competition level in her early teens the cost burden tripled to come up with the money? Levona Anna maxed out credit cards worked. Multiple jobs and collected donations. Tanya recalled combing roadsides with her mom to collect bottles and cans for refunds Lavonia dressed Tanya in her competition outfit for school picture day so they could use the photos in place of professional headshots shots. Every single dollar went into skating sometimes even over food Portland reporter and Schatz said that a lot of the a time Tanya was skating on empty stomach Lavonia made a huge investment in her daughter and she expected equally large returns. She had the example right in front of her with America's Sweetheart Dorothy Hamill who won gold medals at both the nineteen seventy six world figure skating championships and Olympics soon after she was a spokesperson person for Ford and clairol she became the featured star of the ICECAPADES. So in Lavonia is once Tanya was an Olympian Olympia. And she'd get so many endorsement deals the whole harding family would be taken care of for the rest of their lives. This was their ticket to a better our life and so Levin pushed and pushed and screamed and slapped and beat Tanya all in the name of protecting in her investment but in pushing her daughter to be the fiercest physical competitor she left her emotionally stunted and vulnerable. The abusive dynamics of the relationship taught Tanya two things first that it was acceptable to use violence to get what you want and second that love is conditional. She was only worthy of affection if she was the best so if Tanya wanted to be happy if she wanted to be loved she better be the best no matter the cost no matter the pain to find out what happens next. Listen to sports criminals free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast.

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